Jeremy Bamber trial examination

[Caroline]

It wasn't up to Nevill to give full control, and he couldn't control what Sheila did in her own home. Full control means full custody.

He wasn't asking Nevil's permission, he was telling him. Full control doesn't mean custody, custody means custody. Until someone posts something to prove he was going for full custody, then it remains hearsay and open to interpretation.

[Kaldin]

He wasn't asking Nevil's permission, he was telling him. Full control doesn't mean custody, custody means custody. Until someone posts something to prove he was going for full custody, then it remains hearsay and open to interpretation.

He didn't need to tell Nevill, he needed to tell Sheila. Nevill was nothing to do with the twins, other than being their grandfather. I didn't say he was going for full custody, I said that he wanted full custody.

[Caroline]

He didn't need to tell Nevill, he needed to tell Sheila. Nevill was nothing to do with the twins, other than being their grandfather. I didn't say he was going for full custody, I said that he wanted full custody.

I don't agree and he was telling Nevil as part of a letter that that included things about June. If he meant custody, he's have said so.

[lookout]

Hadn't June been scurrying around looking for someone to look after the twins whilst they were at WHF ?
Nevill was working the fields and busy, June obviously didn't feel up to it as she also had Sheila who needed looking after as Sheila had proved incapable.
There would have been a meeting among women as was planned during Pam's phonecall which included Betty Howie ? Sadly nothing came to fruition.

[Jane]

Hadn't June been scurrying around looking for someone to look after the twins whilst they were at WHF ?
Nevill was working the fields and busy, June obviously didn't feel up to it as she also had Sheila who needed looking after as Sheila had proved incapable.
There would have been a meeting among women as was planned during Pam's phonecall which included Betty Howie ? Sadly nothing came to fruition.

I thought the call was to arrange for June and Sheila to visit Pam for lunch? I don't recall Pam saying anything about childcare or Betty Howie.

[lookout]

I thought the call was to arrange for June and Sheila to visit Pam for lunch? I don't recall Pam saying anything about childcare or Betty Howie.

It was June who'd said to Pam that she wants to talk about Sheila as she was worried about her condition.

[Steve_uk]

He would if he thought they were neglected. The boys were his priority.

But he had control over them on weekdays. The twins cherished the weekend visits with their mother.

[Kaldin]

But he had control over them on weekdays. The twins cherished the weekend visits with their mother.

That's not really the point is it? Sheila was unstable, he didn't want her making any decisions about the twins. He wanted to have 100% say in how they were brought up.

[Steve_uk]

That's not really the point is it? Sheila was unstable, he didn't want her making any decisions about the twins. He wanted to have 100% say in how they were brought up.

He did have that de facto if not de jure. You're really not making any sense with this line of thought.

[Kaldin]

He did have that de facto if not de jure. You're really not making any sense with this line of thought.

Of course I am. They had joint custody, so Sheila could make decisions and demands at any time. If Colin had sole custody, she would only have access rights.

[Steve_uk]

Of course I am. They had joint custody, so Sheila could make decisions and demands at any time. If Colin had sole custody, she would only have access rights.

But Sheila never made the twins a weapon to be used against Colin. Read up on your facts.

[Kaldin]

But Sheila never made the twins a weapon to be used against Colin. Read up on your facts.

I'm not saying she did. Clearly, we do not understand each other, so let's just drop it.

[Jane]

I'm not saying she did. Clearly, we do not understand each other, so let's just drop it.

Interesting that in one day, you seem to have felt misunderstood by three different people. Perhaps it's not entirely with them that the fault lays.

[lookout]

But Sheila never made the twins a weapon to be used against Colin. Read up on your facts.

Those mothers who've murdered their children were all divorced/ split-up or separated with issues regarding access.

[Steve_uk]

Those mothers who've murdered their children were all divorced/ split-up or separated with issues regarding access.

But lookout there was no issue regarding access! For goodness sake..