Jeremy Bamber trial examination

[Jane]

There's no getting away from it but the psychiatrist hadn't taken Sheila seriously enough. If someone told me that " they were afraid they would kill the children " I'd take it seriously, wouldn't you ? Especially from the point of view of a professional person ? Whenever it was said. The fact of the matter it was said at a mental health clinic for God's sake---which was all the more reason to be aware.

In which case, had the psychiatrist been that concerned, why were steps not taken to permanently remove the twins from her care? Sheila was ill when she made the claim that she was afraid she might harm them -NOT that she wanted to harm them- and then she got better. The next time she became ill, we can only believe that the illness took a different form because she said nothing to raise concern regarding her children. Those words -said during illness- surely can't be held against her forever?

[lookout]

There's one living near to me ( care in the community ) but fortunately gets regular visits by a health team.
It's a trial I believe after smashing up the previous place and is always quoting religion ! Imagine them being left to their own devices like Sheila was ?

[guest7363]

There's one living near to me ( care in the community ) but fortunately gets regular visits by a health team.
It's a trial I believe after smashing up the previous place and is always quoting religion ! Imagine them being left to their own devices like Sheila was ?

Good grief Lookout, keep a distance.

[lookout]

Good grief Lookout, keep a distance.

Don't worry RJ I do.

[guest7363]

Don't worry RJ I do.

I was in your beautiful city this year, we stopped at Chester and had the day in Liverpool, absolutely loved it, we did the open top bus ride (twice 😂😂) I believe in getting my monies worth. The  world netball finals were on as well.

[Jane]

There's one living near to me ( care in the community ) but fortunately gets regular visits by a health team.
It's a trial I believe after smashing up the previous place and is always quoting religion ! Imagine them being left to their own devices like Sheila was ?

Since when was Sheila -despite your claims about personal incidents concerning Colin- known to have smashed up anywhere, or quoted religion?

[lookout]

I was in your beautiful city this year, we stopped at Chester and had the day in Liverpool, absolutely loved it, we did the open top bus ride (twice 😂😂) I believe in getting my monies worth. The  world netball finals were on as well.

I wish I'd known. I could have had an excuse to shop in Chester. Liverpool is just over the water from where I am too. So glad you enjoyed your outings.

[lookout]

Since when was Sheila -despite your claims about personal incidents concerning Colin- known to have smashed up anywhere, or quoted religion?

After Sheila's last hospital visit she had turned to religion to appease her mother. Her inference on good and evil had been evident.
There was the incident of her throwing pots/pans at Colin when they were married and also putting her hand through plate glass when JB took her to hospital. Punching walls while Freddie was at her apartment in Maida Vale. Left to her own devices and she could have done damage.

[Caroline]

After Sheila's last hospital visit she had turned to religion to appease her mother. Her inference on good and evil had been evident.
There was the incident of her throwing pots/pans at Colin when they were married and also putting her hand through plate glass when JB took her to hospital. Punching walls while Freddie was at her apartment in Maida Vale. Left to her own devices and she could have done damage.

Wow! Just WOW! 

[Jane]

After Sheila's last hospital visit she had turned to religion to appease her mother. Her inference on good and evil had been evident.
There was the incident of her throwing pots/pans at Colin when they were married and also putting her hand through plate glass when JB took her to hospital. Punching walls while Freddie was at her apartment in Maida Vale. Left to her own devices and she could have done damage.

Mmm. She said that she'd found region to please her mother. She appeared at peace with it.

You appear to have entirely put your own slant onto her behaviours. You seem to NEED her to be violent. Okay, there were domestic incidents -Colin claims to have started some- hitting the plate glass was, I imagine- out of frustration. She wasn't ill on THOSE occasions. However, when she punched the wall in Freddie's presence, she clearly WAS ill and it wouldn't have mattered whether he'd been there or not.

[Caroline]

Mmm. She said that she'd found region to please her mother. She appeared at peace with it.

You appear to have entirely put your own slant onto her behaviours. You seem to NEED her to be violent. Okay, there were domestic incidents -Colin claims to have started some- hitting the plate glass was, I imagine- out of frustration. She wasn't ill on THOSE occasions. However, when she punched the wall in Freddie's presence, she clearly WAS ill and it wouldn't have mattered whether he'd been there or not.

I've done that - not thinking of killing anyone anytime soon though 

[lookout]

Mmm. She said that she'd found region to please her mother. She appeared at peace with it.

You appear to have entirely put your own slant onto her behaviours. You seem to NEED her to be violent. Okay, there were domestic incidents -Colin claims to have started some- hitting the plate glass was, I imagine- out of frustration. She wasn't ill on THOSE occasions. However, when she punched the wall in Freddie's presence, she clearly WAS ill and it wouldn't have mattered whether he'd been there or not.

Not my slant, it's in Dr Ferguson's last letter about her condition.

So during a bout of frustration you'd put your hand through plate glass ?

[Jane]

I've done that - not thinking of killing anyone anytime soon though 

NONE of the incidents, claimed by Lookout, as being signs of violence, are out of the realms of what's considered normal.

[Kaldin]

She was a paranoid schizophrenic, which could mean she was unpredictable.

[Jane]

Not my slant, it's in Dr Ferguson's last letter about her condition.

So during a bout of frustration you'd put your hand through plate glass ?

But you conveniently leave out the pertinent part at the end in which he states that there had never been anything about her behaviour to suggest that she could become violent.

I have different coping mechanisms, or maybe it's simply that I've never been near plate glass at the right time?