Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.

[Steve_uk]

entire future? Why would she want to spend her entire future with a psychopath and a child killer, by painting Julie in this light you are painting her as being as financially ruthless as Bamber himself and do no favour for her moral high ground " respectable caught up innocent girl scenario" and as for referencing the caravan Park break in and cheque fraud. It is laughable, respectfully. How important are those incidents, parallaed with five counts of murder ( including two innocent little boys asleep in their beds) there was no way whatsoever and further more for to Julie to even fear that she would be implicated with Bamber in these five murders. She was not a part of any conspiracy with him. There isn't an excuse.

Well those were her thought processes, which is why she told her friends and Stan Jones became involved.

[ILB]

Well those were her thought processes, which is why she told her friends and Stan Jones became involved.

after continuing a relationship, and more disturbingly continually to be being in the same vicinity as Jeremy Bamber , who had told her he had killed five members of his family, but at the same time worried about her financial future?

[Jane]

entire future? Why would she want to spend her entire future with a psychopath and a child killer, by painting Julie in this light you are painting her as being as financially ruthless as Bamber himself and do no favour for her moral high ground " respectable caught up innocent girl scenario" and as for referencing the caravan Park break in and cheque fraud. It is laughable, respectfully. How important are those incidents, parallaed with five counts of murder ( including two innocent little boys asleep in their beds) there was no way whatsoever and further more for to Julie to even fear that she would be implicated with Bamber in these five murders. She was not a part of any conspiracy with him. There isn't an excuse.

On the contrary. However, I do believe you're twisting this for twisting's sake. Still, looking at which way you've chosen to twist it, you're correct in that those crimes she was a part of pale into insignificance when compared with what Jeremy did. Trouble is, I think he'd made her believe she was as big a part of it as he. SO, if she believes that she'll end up with a criminal record, that all the hard work she'd put into her education will be thrown away, the career she wants has gone, and so, too, are her hopes of a future with Jeremy. As I've said, previously, NONE of this is about what you think now, it's about what was going on for Julie at the time. I don't think Jeremy cared. His entire focus was one the money and the new life he could lead. I think Julie must have felt as if she was up to her neck in it.

[Steve_uk]

after continuing a relationship, and more disturbingly continually to be being in the same vicinity as Jeremy Bamber , who had told her he had killed five members of his family, but at the same time worried about her financial future?

Well there was the hitman story, she didn't want to believe. As I say had she harboured no ambition at all she could have done what some girls did in 1980s Salford, Liverpool, Blackburn, Burnley and got pregnant.

[ILB]

This is well-written lookout but inaccurate. It's true Jeremy was the one with the car and Sheila couldn't drive, and maybe he did take her home on occasions when his judgement wasn't affected by cannabis or alcohol. But after her illness in 1983 I think he began to see his sister as a liability, someone whom he didn't want to be seen with at parties, and whom he began to pity. Remember in his mind these were mercy killings, as well as justifying to himself that Colin would be able to obtain full-time work once the twins were out of the way. These thought processes really are the product of a diseased mind.

As for Julie, why did she stick with him for so long, listening to his insane rantings on the subject of killing five people, by his side at the funerals, and as you say only when it was clear Jeremy was going to date other women did she snap?  Did she think she was entitled to some reward for her silence, did she turn down the offer of manageress of a wine bar in a fashionable area of town, why had she not become pregnant by him if she really wanted to hook him or was otherwise purely interested in the material aspect of their relationship?

I think that she did love him, she was a martyr to his every wish, she was available for him at all times sexually, she did his washing, decorated Bourtree Cottage. She wanted desperately to believe he wasn't behind the murders, that somehow Matthew had misunderstood instructions, that it was all a ghastly mistake, until she saw the carcasses themselves laid out on the slab and the curtain descended, until the admission at Blazer's restaurant, Blackheath that there was something wrong with him, that she realized she had to get away from Bourtree Cottage and its associations, that after the murders there really was no future for them, because powerful an emotion as love is, it just wasn't enough..

Steve, your theory about her desperately wanting to believe about him not committing the murders would be viable in a scenario where for example if the police were accusing Bamber from the outset and he was saying to her" look honey , it's not me they've got the wrong end of the stick entirely" and there was a mountain of evidence against him from the outset, but it's not the case mate. Julie can be in ABSOLUTELY no denial if Jeremy had told her THE SAME DAY of the massacre his evil intentions to kill his family.which did occur THAT VERY NIGHT , it doesn't ring true mate

[ILB]

On the contrary. However, I do believe you're twisting this for twisting's sake. Still, looking at which way you've chosen to twist it, you're correct in that those crimes she was a part of pale into insignificance when compared with what Jeremy did. Trouble is, I think he'd made her believe she was as big a part of it as he. SO, if she believes that she'll end up with a criminal record, that all the hard work she'd put into her education will be thrown away, the career she wants has gone, and so, too, are her hopes of a future with Jeremy. As I've said, previously, NONE of this is about what you think now, it's about what was going on for Julie at the time. I don't think Jeremy cared. His entire focus was one the money and the new life he could lead. I think Julie must have felt as if she was up to her neck in it.

please give me a detailed explanation how I am twisting things , instead of looking at the facts presented before me logically and sensibly

[Steve_uk]

Steve, your theory about her desperately wanting to believe about him not committing the murders would be viable in a scenario where for example if the police were accusing Bamber from the outset and he was saying to her" look honey , it's not me they've got the wrong end of the stick entirely" and there was a mountain of evidence against him from the outset, but it's not the case mate. Julie can be in ABSOLUTELY no denial if Jeremy had told her THE SAME DAY of the massacre his evil intentions to kill his family.which did occur THAT VERY NIGHT , it doesn't ring true mate

Well she challenged him on the Wednesday evening and this is when he came up with the hitman story. I don't know why she stuck with him for those few weeks. She claimed still to love him, that he said he needed her and that she didn't want him to go to prison. I suppose after the telephone call at Moreshead Mansions lookout mentioned she realized this wasn't true.

[Jane]

please give me a detailed explanation how I am twisting things , instead of looking at the facts presented before me logically and sensibly

But you're not looking at ALL the facts. You're cherry picking and closing your eyes to the bigger picture. Probably along the same lines that Julie took.

[ILB]

Well she challenged him on the Wednesday evening and this is when he came up with the hitman story. I don't know why she stuck with him for those few weeks. She claimed still to love him, that he said he needed her and that she didn't want him to go to prison. I suppose after the telephone call at Moreshead Mansions lookout mentioned she realized this wasn't true.

whether the MacDonald story, of whether Bamber acted alone , she still has information he was involved

[ILB]

But you're not looking at ALL the facts. You're cherry picking and closing your eyes to the bigger picture. Probably along the same lines that Julie took.

how is using logic cherry picking ?

[Caroline]

whether the MacDonald story, of whether Bamber acted alone , she still has information he was involved

She isn't unique. However, she didn't in the end keep his secret.

[Steve_uk]

how is using logic cherry picking ?

Have you never been in love..

[guest7363]

whether the MacDonald story, of whether Bamber acted alone , she still has information he was involved

Cant argue with that

[ILB]

She isn't unique. However, she didn't in the end keep his secret.

but was there a secret to be kept in the first place caroline?

[Jane]

how is using logic cherry picking ?

Using logic is avoiding trying to get into the mind of a "soon to be 22 year old girl". Nothing happens for nothing. It's all about cause and effect. You choose to ignore THIS fact.