Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.

[Jane]

which means throw your toys out of the pram when an opinion is delivered before you that differs from your own......

That would be like yourself who comes perilously close to taking the xxxx out of, and deriding everything said that you disagree with, which, thus far has been most things.

[ILB]

Nothing will ever change my mind that Julie shopped Jeremy for nothing other than spite. If we go by what she alleges what Jeremy Bamber had told her just before commencing the killings. She knew what the crack was. The mmacdonald saga does nothing to strengthen her credibility. As she still had direct knowledge of Bambers involvement. I don't believe this was a woman in shock. She was strong enough to attend the funerals and be at the side of Jeremy Bamber for a significant period when any other sane person would have told the authorities straight away.  No amount of moddycoddlyin, sugar coating, damsel in distress yada yada can change that. I can only come to two conclusions. A) Jeremy Bamber is guilty and she wanted her share of the spoils ( financial) b) Jeremy never said these things and she wanted to fuck him over because of his infidelities and him leaving her. And to retierate I'm not even pro Jeremy Bamber

[Kaldin]

Nothing will ever change my mind that Julie shopped Jeremy for nothing other than spite. If we go by what she alleges what Jeremy Bamber had told her just before commencing the killings. She knew what the crack was. The mmacdonald saga does nothing to strengthen her credibility. As she still had direct knowledge of Bambers involvement. I don't believe this was a woman in shock. She was strong enough to attend the funerals and be at the side of Jeremy Bamber for a significant period when any other sane person would have told the authorities straight away.  No amount of moddycoddlyin, sugar coating, damsel in distress yada yada can change that. I can only come to two conclusions. A) Jeremy Bamber is guilty and she wanted her share of the spoils ( financial) b) Jeremy never said these things and she wanted to fuck him over because of his infidelities and him leaving her. And to retierate I'm not even pro Jeremy Bamber

Everything I've read about her, or from her, tells me that she wasn't a caring person, and that she was very self centred. Her presence at the funeral is just despicable. I agree with your two conclusions.

However, the real question is - was she capable of inventing the story about Jeremy planning the murders? Did she know enough detail before she went to the police to be able to tell them certain things? Where could she have got the info from - Jeremy, the relatives, the papers? Was she capable of keeping up the story throughout the trial and when she was paid for her story?

[Jane]

Nothing will ever change my mind that Julie shopped Jeremy for nothing other than spite. If we go by what she alleges what Jeremy Bamber had told her just before commencing the killings. She knew what the crack was. The mmacdonald saga does nothing to strengthen her credibility. As she still had direct knowledge of Bambers involvement. I don't believe this was a woman in shock. She was strong enough to attend the funerals and be at the side of Jeremy Bamber for a significant period when any other sane person would have told the authorities straight away.  No amount of moddycoddlyin, sugar coating, damsel in distress yada yada can change that. I can only come to two conclusions. A) Jeremy Bamber is guilty and she wanted her share of the spoils ( financial) b) Jeremy never said these things and she wanted to fuck him over because of his infidelities and him leaving her. And to retierate I'm not even pro Jeremy Bamber

That's what I once believed. You say nothing of her that I haven't previously said. I can go with A) Wanting one's "share of the spoils" -for whatever reason- happens all the time. Women have ended up dead for it.

That's what I once believed. You say nothing of her I haven't previously said. I can accept A) Wanting one's "share of the spoils" -for whatever reason- happens all the time. Women have ended up dead for it.

[lookout]

Kaldin JM's downfall would have been Jeremy's defence questioning her but as " the tears flowed "? the court didn't allow it to continue. She was alright at the mud-slinging end ( prosecution ) where the jackpot was waiting. I think it's truly disgusting. The more I think about it the worse it is. EP had nothing on him but they wanted to secure a conviction and JM was the one to do it with her reams of scorn and poison.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin JM's downfall would have been Jeremy's defence questioning her but as " the tears flowed "? the court didn't allow it to continue. She was alright at the mud-slinging end ( prosecution ) where the jackpot was waiting. I think it's truly disgusting. The more I think about it the worse it is. EP had nothing on him but they wanted to secure a conviction and JM was the one to do it with her reams of scorn and poison.

I'd like to see a transcript of her testimony, and cross examination. It doesn't appear to be available though.

[Jane]

I'd like to see a transcript of her testimony, and cross examination. It doesn't appear to be available though.

Neither is a full version of Jeremy's

[Kaldin]

Neither is a full version of Jeremy's

No. I'd like to see that too, but hey ...

[Jane]

Kaldin JM's downfall would have been Jeremy's defence questioning her but as " the tears flowed "? the court didn't allow it to continue. She was alright at the mud-slinging end ( prosecution ) where the jackpot was waiting. I think it's truly disgusting. The more I think about it the worse it is. EP had nothing on him but they wanted to secure a conviction and JM was the one to do it with her reams of scorn and poison.

D'ya know, I'm willing to bet that most, in her position -witness for prosecution- are relatively at ease when being questioned by "their" side, who'll take a softly softly approach. They're probably shaking in their shoes at the thought of being questioned by the "other" side, who won't.

[lookout]

I'd like to see a transcript of her testimony, and cross examination. It doesn't appear to be available though.

No, it won't be.

[Jane]

No. I'd like to see that too, but hey ...

It would be really, REALLY good to see both.

[lookout]

It would be really, REALLY good to see both.

I'd love to see both. After 34 years you'd think they be released ?

[Jane]

I'd love to see both. After 34 years you'd think they be released ?

Isn't it a 50 year thing?

[ILB]

Everything I've read about her, or from her, tells me that she wasn't a caring person, and that she was very self centred. Her presence at the funeral is just despicable. I agree with your two conclusions.

However, the real question is - was she capable of inventing the story about Jeremy planning the murders? Did she know enough detail before she went to the police to be able to tell them certain things? Where could she have got the info from - Jeremy, the relatives, the papers? Was she capable of keeping up the story throughout the trial and when she was paid for her story?

the notw article to me is completely bizarre. Including the pin up picture of julie smiling. It's like something like today's z listers. Not at the conclude of a murder trial. I know the article is in the archives but has anyone got an enhanced copy so it can be clearly read word for word

[lookout]

Isn't it a 50 year thing?

Something like that. This is what happens to the poor sods who get their posthumous pardons.

I don't want to be waiting too long for results either ! Tough I'll take my chances on buying an LP.