The ITV Drama

[guest7363]

Sheila loved her father------up until he showed support towards his sick wife who'd been visiting her GP for weeks prior to the murders. Nevill had also supported the fact that June wasn't able to care for the boys and so foster care was being spoken of as well as the suggestion of Sheila being sent to convalesce.
There was to have been a " meeting " next day between the sisters June and Pamela to discuss further help for Sheila---hence the arrangement which was made the previous night by Pamela telephoning June.

 

Everyone was happy when Bamber left, no arguments about caring for the boys, BUT you miss one very big point, the twins were Colin’s responsibility, he wouldn’t ever agree to this, they lived with Colin, Neville and June wouldn’t be able to sanction any foster care for them, so again your talking utter rubbish.

[lookout]

Everyone was happy when Bamber left, no arguments about caring for the boys, BUT you miss one very big point, the twins were Colin’s responsibility, he wouldn’t ever agree to this, they lived with Colin, Neville and June wouldn’t be able to sanction any foster care for them, so again your talking utter rubbish.

Don't tell me I'm talking rubbish when my posts are every bit as valid as your own !

[Roch]

The twins were Colin’s responsibility, he wouldn’t ever agree to this, they lived with Colin, Neville and June wouldn’t be able to sanction any foster care for them, so again your talking utter rubbish.

RJ, have you read 'Ainsley re the twins' foster care' towards the bottom of this post?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.0.html

Is extra help during the day sometimes labelled day car or day fostering?  Sheila was suppose to be experiencing a range of symptoms, including vacant stare, unsteady hands etc.  Is it not conceivable that her own parents may be concerned for the periods where she did have the twins?

[guest7363]

RJ, have you read 'Ainsley re the twins' foster care' towards the bottom of this post?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.0.html

Is extra help during the day sometimes labelled day car or day fostering?  Sheila was suppose to be experiencing a range of symptoms, including vacant stare, unsteady hands etc.  Is it not conceivable that her own parents may be concerned for the periods where she did have the twins?

Colin was responsible for the boys at the end of the day Roch, Lookout says June could not longer look after the boys yet they were never at WHF and didn’t like going.

[lookout]

How many men of a non-violent disposition kill children while they're sleeping ?
How many of these non-violent men also tell their partner what their plans for murder are ?
How many non-violent men dump their partner before they carry out a murder ?
How many females then sleep with their non-violent partner knowing that they'd slaughtered children ?
All the time knowing that the non-violent man had a schizophrenic/psychotic sister ?

[guest7363]

RJ, have you read 'Ainsley re the twins' foster care' towards the bottom of this post?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.0.html

Is extra help during the day sometimes labelled day car or day fostering?  Sheila was suppose to be experiencing a range of symptoms, including vacant stare, unsteady hands etc.  Is it not conceivable that her own parents may be concerned for the periods where she did have the twins?

Colin states between March to August 1985 he had the boys 95% of the time, only allowing Sheila odd times to have the boys and he didn’t like them going to Tollesbury,  he gave his life up to look after the kids so to suggest that Neville and June would put them into foster care is rubbish, who the hell would take the kids off Colin their Dad  and put them into foster care without his say so?

[Roch]

Colin states between March to August 1985 he had the boys 95% of the time, only allowing Sheila odd times to have the boys and he didn’t like them going to Tollesbury,  he gave his life up to look after the kids so to suggest that Neville and June would put them into foster care is rubbish, who the hell would take the kids off Colin their Dad  and put them into foster care without his say so?

My understanding is that that is not the type of fostering being referred to.  It sounds like Nevill and June were trying to have a conversation with Sheila about additional help for when she had the twins, probably out of concern. 

[guest7363]

My understanding is that that is not the type of fostering being referred to.  It sounds like Nevill and June were trying to have a conversation with Sheila about additional help for when she had the twins, probably out of concern.

Oh, so Nanny help for 5% of their time,  Colin had them 95% taking them to School and fetching them home. No wonder Sheila was happy that night then,  she would get Nanny help as well the short time she had them.

[Roch]

Oh, so Nanny help for 5% of their time,  Colin had them 95% taking them to School and fetching them home. No wonder Sheila was happy that night then,  she would get Nanny help as well the short time she had them.

That's not what I'm saying. We will never know the exact context of the conversation.

[Roch]

That's not what I'm saying. We will never know the exact context of the conversation.

And besides, if Jeremy knew the twins were with Colin 95% of the time, why would he then invent a story about 'fostering' in relation to Sheila, as a reason for Sheila to then carry out the killings?

He doesn't even describe her as being angry.

[guest7363]

That's not what I'm saying. We will never know the exact context of the conversation.

Fostering is usually when the child hasn’t got a parent to look after them, they had Colin and didn’t like going to WHF and he didn’t like them going, Fostering would have taken them away from Colin, being for a short while or longer term, Colin makes it known he had custody of the children.  It’s like my mother and father  in law saying they’re going to put MY kids into foster care. Utter Rubbish, Nanny help Yes, not Fostering.

[Roch]

Fostering is usually when the child hasn’t got a parent to look after them, they had Colin and didn’t like going to WHF and he didn’t like them going, Fostering would have taken them away from Colin, being for a short while or longer term, Colin makes it known he had custody of the children.  It’s like my mother and father  in law saying they’re going to put MY kids into foster care. Utter Rubbish, Nanny help Yes, not Fostering.

It's unlikely that full time fostering was the inferred meaning of the term 'fostering'.  She had previously received day care help.  I envisage the most likely situation as one involving a suggestion of that type of scenario.  We will never know exactly what the conversation was.

[guest7363]

And besides, if Jeremy knew the twins were with Colin 95% of the time, why would he then invent a story about 'fostering' in relation to Sheila, as a reason for Sheila to then carry out the killings?

He doesn't even describe her as being angry.

Bamber could make up any story he wanted, he was the last person to see them, he would tell and deviate slightly depending on the audience, I bet he never said to Colin, Mum and Dad was going to Foster the twins to help Sheila?

[Jane]

Don't tell me I'm talking rubbish when my posts are every bit as valid as your own !

Then perhaps to dispel any INvalidity, you could furnish us with proof that a 'meeting' had been arranged between Pam and June to discuss Sheila, as opposed to the lunch to which Pam invited both Sheila and June.

[Jane]

It's unlikely that full time fostering was the inferred meaning of the term 'fostering'.  She had previously received day care help.  I envisage the most likely situation as one involving a suggestion of that type of scenario.  We will never know exactly what the conversation was.

You're absolutely correct, Roch. Jeremy had TOTAL control of whatever conversation he chose to put forward as having occurred. There was a living soul who could dispute it.