The ITV Drama

[Roch]

Which is why in 2012 ITV made a documentary showing Philip Boyce, Simon Mckay and JB (on the phone). And CI-UK made a documentary showing Peter Suthurst insinuating the relatives created the scratch marks.

   

Mentioned above, in my posts. Wouldn't happen now.

[David1819]

Mentioned above, in my posts. Wouldn't happen now.

Which is why only a few month ago, the press ran with this crap that bill posted?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10006.msg456440.html#msg456440

[Caroline]

Mentioned above, in my posts. Wouldn't happen now.

If it happened then - why not now? I just think no one is interested in making such a programme. The fact that it happened in the past really puts a dampener on your claims of a conspiracy.

[Roch]

If it happened then - why not now? I just think no one is interested in making such a programme. The fact that it happened in the past really puts a dampener on your claims of a conspiracy.

As I explained above, I think it won't happen now because they have their act together.  The portion given to the police and relatives in MWT docu - where is the equivalent portion given to defence in drama? It was forced on MWT. But CAL's program can just completely shut out the defence?

You and others should look up the term conspiracy. There's nothing wacky about it. Call it media manipulation of you like.

[Roch]

Which is why only a few month ago, the press ran with this crap that bill posted?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10006.msg456440.html#msg456440

If the defence run with something, then it will probably find its way in to the media.  That's hardly a docu or program in depth on TV is it? McKay is about 2012. That is eight years ago.

[David1819]

As I explained above, I think it won't happen now because they have their act together.  The portion given to the police and relatives in MWT docu - where is the equivalent portion given to defence in drama? It was forced on MWT. But CAL's program can just completely shut out the defence?

You and others should look up the term conspiracy. There's nothing wacky about it. Call it media manipulation of you like.

Conspiracies happen all the time. Individuals conspire to achieve personal ends. But you go into the realm of the crazy ones, that is to view institutions and groups as if they were people, with the motives of people.

"The conspiracy theorist will believe that institutions can be understood completely as the result of conscious design; and as to collectives, he usually ascribes to them a kind of group personality, treating them as conspiring agents, just as if they were individual men."

https://www3.canyons.edu/faculty/marianaj/Popper.pdf

[David1819]

If the defence run with something, then it will probably find its way in to the media.  That's hardly a docu or program in depth on TV is it? McKay is about 2012. That is eight years ago.

The biggest irony here is that the press  actually spread misinformation that favours Jeremy. People believe in Nevils call because it appears in newspapers. The compound the irony its not even true. 

[gringo]

Sorry Caroline but in today's climate, I think this is naïve.   

I'll give you your dues, they allowed the McKay docu, which was probably facilitated by way of MWT being sympathetic to the defence.  But it was interfered with.  So part of the time that would have been taken up by more arguments in favour of Jeremy's defence was stolen by those arguing for guilt. 

Where is this portion for the other side in the drama? 

Imagine Boyce, Terezon and whoever trying to get a program commissioned today?  Wouldn't happen.  Yet a so called drama masquerading as a genuine account of events is shown over several weeks with tonnes of publicity both before and during?

   "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
    It's where we are now, Roch.

[Roch]

Conspiracies happen all the time. Individuals conspire to achieve personal ends. But you go into the realm of the crazy ones, that is to view institutions and groups as if they were people, with the motives of people.

"The conspiracy theorist will believe that institutions can be understood completely as the result of conscious design; and as to collectives, he usually ascribes to them a kind of group personality, treating them as conspiring agents, just as if they were individual men."

https://www3.canyons.edu/faculty/marianaj/Popper.pdf

It is possible to deter programs from getting off the ground. People in high positions in broadcasting corporations are no different than top ranking civil servants. They are there to tow the line. A safe pair of hands.

[David1819]

It is possible to deter programs from getting off the ground. People in high positions in broadcasting corporations are no different than top ranking civil servants. They are there to tow the line. A safe pair of hands.

Possible yes. But that is beside the point. You are of the view that this TV series was a premeditated conspiracy. Which is not what you are saying above.

[Roch]

Possible yes. But that is beside the point. You are of the view that this TV series was a premeditated conspiracy. Which is not what you are saying above.

I think it would have been 'relatively' eased through (did you see what I did there?) from commissioning to production to airing.  And 'they' are going to make the best use of it, with tag along articles espousing the official line.  Average Joe will say 'guilty as sin'. What's not to like about that, if you're an EP old hand or one of the relatives?

[lookout]

It was the timing of this drama that was iffy. The production team obviously got the nod from somewhere.

[Caroline]

As I explained above, I think it won't happen now because they have their act together.  The portion given to the police and relatives in MWT docu - where is the equivalent portion given to defence in drama? It was forced on MWT. But CAL's program can just completely shut out the defence?

You and others should look up the term conspiracy. There's nothing wacky about it. Call it media manipulation of you like.

Hang on Roch, I never said or even implied it was 'wacky'?

They have their act together after 34 years? It took them that long? Nah, I just don't think anyone is interested in making such a programmer because the claims are too flaky.

BTW - it's not CAL's programme, the main story was just based on her book. If people have a problem with the drama, they should be focusing attention on ITV makers - although it does clearly state that it has created certain scenes and that it is BASED on both CAL's and Colin's books.

[Roch]

Hang on Roch, I never said or even implied it was 'wacky'?

They have their act together after 34 years? It took them that long? Nah, I just don't think anyone is interested in making such a programmer because the claims are too flaky.

BTW - it's not CAL's programme, the main story was just based on her book. If people have a problem with the drama, they should be focusing attention on ITV makers - although it does clearly state that it has created certain scenes and that it is BASED on both CAL's and Colin's books.

If it ain't including any of the stuff I put on the Ainsley thread, then you can call it what you like... But in reality it's a con.  I can't see how Terezon's claims are flakey? Make a courtroom drama with captions, explaining what was done. But nobody will do that, because the case is too sensitive for the authorities and it would be exposing police corruption.

[notsure]

But he had an excellent pub within sight of his cottage. I hugely doubt that he relied on June to feed him.

i’ll put money on he did let his mum feed him. a) he was working there so was convenient and
b) men at that age aren’t that great at cooking so if it’s being offered by someone else they jump at the chance. nothing wrong with that imo