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« Reply #1305 on: January 16, 2020, 07:46:PM »





I've been doing searches for that. Nothing found.

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« Reply #1306 on: January 16, 2020, 07:47:PM »
His mind was always working on the financial level, offering to pay for the boys' funeral. It was the raison d'etre he had been sent to Gresham's, the whole concept of the crimes being payback for how he perceived his parents had treated him.

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« Reply #1307 on: January 16, 2020, 07:48:PM »
On the whole I think the drama has been interesting if a bit slow . And obviously some artistic licence with the facts . As I said they are making it quite clear Colin does not suspect jeremy and in those scenes jeremy is coming across as upset , sympathetic etc. Where as the scenes with Anne he is portrayed very differently The one big critisim I had with last night was about the window . They showed just one latch apparently dropping down when there were in fact two including the horizontal bar at the bottom . Very misleading .

I totally agree with Maggies post. The reason I have not been on the forum for a while is because of a family bereavement and my relative was accused of similar lack of emotion and empathy . Which was very far from the truth . Also I know a lot of men who would not think maybe to go out and buy a suitcase or something similar to put the twins possessions in . But Steve saying they were put out for the bin men is just trying to add extra drama and hate to the situation.

Julie looks as if she is being portrayed as knowing and very much an accomplice rather than a frightened confused partner.


I think also considering how long we have all been involved in this you do easily forget how old jeremy and Julie were when this all happened . And of course there is a possibility that even if jeremy was innocent he may have been in a state of  shock grief plus an unexpected realisation that he was A very  rich young man and perhaps because he was adopted he did not have the same love and connection with his family .


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« Reply #1308 on: January 16, 2020, 07:49:PM »

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« Reply #1310 on: January 16, 2020, 07:52:PM »
That's right Maggie, he was a man, not a child - a man old enough to be a father himself. I think even at an age much younger than Bamber, I would have realised that dumping dead childrens toys in a bin bag was insensitive. If Jeremy is guilty, then his capacity to feel any empathy is redundant and wouldn't have thought twice about there being anything wrong in what he did. He probably thought he was doing Colin a favour. It's hard to express something you don't feel.

How many people do that though when a family member dies ? Quite a lot I bet . Clear stuff for charity when they are ready and put it in bin bags . I know and auntie who did that with her husbands clothes . Some people like to keep things around them others don’t . I think people are trying to read too much into actions that are a perception rather than evidence and then everyone gets drawn in to prove a point .

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« Reply #1311 on: January 16, 2020, 07:53:PM »
That's right Maggie, he was a man, not a child - a man old enough to be a father himself. I think even at an age much younger than Bamber, I would have realised that dumping dead childrens toys in a bin bag was insensitive. If Jeremy is guilty, then his capacity to feel any empathy is redundant and wouldn't have thought twice about there being anything wrong in what he did. He probably thought he was doing Colin a favour. It's hard to express something you don't feel.
I do think a young man has different ways of recognising and dealing with emotions than a young woman, their brains are wired differently and they bury their feelings and cut off emotions in a way women cannot.  Was told recently by a friend who is a hypnotherapist and counsellor that’s not only were male and female brains are wired differently but that they are anotomivally different when a cross section is compared.

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« Reply #1312 on: January 16, 2020, 07:53:PM »
On the whole I think the drama has been interesting if a bit slow . And obviously some artistic licence with the facts . As I said they are making it quite clear Colin does not suspect jeremy and in those scenes jeremy is coming across as upset , sympathetic etc. Where as the scenes with Anne he is portrayed very differently The one big critisim I had with last night was about the window . They showed just one latch apparently dropping down when there were in fact two including the horizontal bar at the bottom . Very misleading .

I totally agree with Maggies post. The reason I have not been on the forum for a while is because of a family bereavement and my relative was accused of similar lack of emotion and empathy . Which was very far from the truth . Also I know a lot of men who would not think maybe to go out and buy a suitcase or something similar to put the twins possessions in . But Steve saying they were put out for the bin men is just trying to add extra drama and hate to the situation.

Julie looks as if she is being portrayed as knowing and very much an accomplice rather than a frightened confused partner.


I think also considering how long we have all been involved in this you do easily forget how old jeremy and Julie were when this all happened . And of course there is a possibility that even if jeremy was innocent he may have been in a state of  shock grief plus an unexpected realisation that he was A very  rich young man and perhaps because he was adopted he did not have the same love and connection with his family .

Sorry for your loss.

I think Steve just made a mistake. I don't forget how old Jeremy was and it's old enough to be a father and husband. He doesn't come over as being in shock, he played that part for a few days and then it started selling stuff and enjoying himself.
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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #1313 on: January 16, 2020, 07:59:PM »
On the whole I think the drama has been interesting if a bit slow . And obviously some artistic licence with the facts . As I said they are making it quite clear Colin does not suspect jeremy and in those scenes jeremy is coming across as upset , sympathetic etc. Where as the scenes with Anne he is portrayed very differently The one big critisim I had with last night was about the window . They showed just one latch apparently dropping down when there were in fact two including the horizontal bar at the bottom . Very misleading .

I totally agree with Maggies post. The reason I have not been on the forum for a while is because of a family bereavement and my relative was accused of similar lack of emotion and empathy . Which was very far from the truth . Also I know a lot of men who would not think maybe to go out and buy a suitcase or something similar to put the twins possessions in . But Steve saying they were put out for the bin men is just trying to add extra drama and hate to the situation.

Julie looks as if she is being portrayed as knowing and very much an accomplice rather than a frightened confused partner.


I think also considering how long we have all been involved in this you do easily forget how old jeremy and Julie were when this all happened . And of course there is a possibility that even if jeremy was innocent he may have been in a state of  shock grief plus an unexpected realisation that he was A very  rich young man and perhaps because he was adopted he did not have the same love and connection with his family .
I haven't even started. Don't forget the nude photographs in the flat, Jeremy's smutty remarks about them and his attempt to sell them to the Sun newspaper.

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« Reply #1314 on: January 16, 2020, 08:03:PM »
I do think a young man has different ways of recognising and dealing with emotions than a young woman, their brains are wired differently and they bury their feelings and cut off emotions in a way women cannot.  Was told recently by a friend who is a hypnotherapist and counsellor that’s not only were male and female brains are wired differently but that they are anotomivally different when a cross section is compared.

Sorry Maggie, I completely disagree, my brother was far more sensitive than me - I think that's bit of a generalisation. You might find this interesting https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/24/meet-the-neuroscientist-shattering-the-myth-of-the-gendered-brain-gina-rippon
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« Reply #1315 on: January 16, 2020, 08:03:PM »
Nobody can " play " at being shocked ! What a stupid comment. Where do you think PTSD comes from years later with the likes of service people or those who've been involved in a trauma ? You can only remain to be stoical for so long if you're kept occupied in some way such as Jeremy is in his quest for freedom then the nightmare appears when it's all over.

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« Reply #1316 on: January 16, 2020, 08:06:PM »
How many people do that though when a family member dies ? Quite a lot I bet . Clear stuff for charity when they are ready and put it in bin bags . I know and auntie who did that with her husbands clothes . Some people like to keep things around them others don’t . I think people are trying to read too much into actions that are a perception rather than evidence and then everyone gets drawn in to prove a point .

They might do that with their own stuff or stuff going to charity but NOT when it's the possessions of two dead children for their father to collect. Colin had said he wanted to collect their things himself but just found them all bagged up like trash and Jeremy bragging about explicit pictures of Sheila. Shock my eye!
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« Reply #1317 on: January 16, 2020, 08:08:PM »
Nobody can " play " at being shocked ! What a stupid comment. Where do you think PTSD comes from years later with the likes of service people or those who've been involved in a trauma ? You can only remain to be stoical for so long if you're kept occupied in some way such as Jeremy is in his quest for freedom then the nightmare appears when it's all over.

If you're looking for a stupid comment - look no further than yours above. I'm not talking about service men! Anyone can act shocked! Actors do so all of the time or do you think the director makes them suffer PTSD first?  ::) ::)
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« Reply #1318 on: January 16, 2020, 08:10:PM »
If you're looking for a stupid comment - look no further than yours above. I'm not talking about service men! Anyone can act shocked! Actors do so all of the time or do you think the director makes them suffer PTSD first?  ::) ::)





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« Reply #1319 on: January 16, 2020, 08:11:PM »




Yet another nonsensical reply  ::)

Yes, you just keep them coming!
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