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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #345 on: October 23, 2019, 01:41:PM »



That's clearly their problem.

No, that's Jeremy's problem and the problem of anyone trying to defend these silly claims.
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« Reply #346 on: October 23, 2019, 02:35:PM »
No, that's Jeremy's problem and the problem of anyone trying to defend these silly claims.




Well I guess JB was relying on the officers to make notes and not for him to keep reminding them of what he ( alone ) saw when lights were going on and off. What officers saw and what they wrote down were two entirely different things once it came to trial----such as the figure in the window which changed to a trick of the light. I don't see it being JB's problem at all. It's not his fault if police chose to miss out what they all saw that night.

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« Reply #347 on: October 23, 2019, 03:01:PM »
But at some point they weren't there?  Is this not why West had to resort to using personal radio link?  As Bews was 'out on a couple of PC's'.  Was Bews with Saxby and Myall while he was absent from Witham - then they returned after Saxby had been contacted by radio - before finally setting off after Myall witnessed Saxby being contacted by phone, inside the station?
During the Dickinson enquiry Bews confirmed that he had been out on foot patrol with Myall and Saxby, effectively leaving the police station unmanned and door locked, with the phone redirected to Chelmsford. All 3 returned to Witham around 03:10. That was quite common practice at sub-stations. All three officers were at Witham when West and Saxby had their alleged radio conversation (which I don't believe ever took place).
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« Reply #348 on: October 23, 2019, 03:05:PM »
So all of that aside (for a moment) - when did Jeremy call Julie?

In this new scenario ...... WHEN did Jeremy call Julie?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #349 on: October 23, 2019, 03:11:PM »
Based on Bills “undisputed sequence”

CA07 needs to have travelled on average 96mph to reach its destination at the time stated by its occupants.

This now explains how Chris ‘Hamilton’ Bews was able to drive passed Jeremy ‘Schumacher’ Bamber who was only travelling at around 84mph.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #350 on: October 23, 2019, 03:28:PM »
During the Dickinson enquiry Bews confirmed that he had been out on foot patrol with Myall and Saxby, effectively leaving the police station unmanned and door locked, with the phone redirected to Chelmsford. All 3 returned to Witham around 03:10. That was quite common practice at sub-stations. All three officers were at Witham when West and Saxby had their alleged radio conversation (which I don't believe ever took place).
Cheers.

Cheers for response.  I've always been sceptical regarding the Nevill call scenario but have never quite been able to fully strike it from my mind.  Have your views changed much from the research you did to now?  I have to admit I haven't done a comparison - but for the first time ever, the calls situation seems to have perked my interest - to the point where I feel the need to examine it closely.

Can you elaborate on your radio remark?

I hope I'm not on a fool's errand as David suggests.  :))
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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #351 on: October 23, 2019, 03:32:PM »
Based on Bills “undisputed sequence”

CA07 needs to have travelled on average 96mph to reach its destination at the time stated by its occupants.

This now explains how Chris ‘Hamilton’ Bews was able to drive passed Jeremy ‘Schumacher’ Bamber who was only travelling at around 84mph.

He has also completely omitted the call to Julie. Which is crucial given that he argued that he (Jeremy) called Julie after the police. The scenario makes no indication of what Jeremy could have been doing for 25 minutes either.
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« Reply #352 on: October 23, 2019, 03:50:PM »
He has also completely omitted the call to Julie. Which is crucial given that he argued that he called Julie after the police. The scenario makes no indication of what Jeremy could have been doing for 25 minutes either.

Based on the premise of Nevill calling the police. What Jeremy did for 25 minutes or what Jeremy did or didn’t do or say wouldn’t matter. Hence anyone who believe’s in Nevills call has nothing to really answer for here.


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« Reply #353 on: October 23, 2019, 03:59:PM »
Based on the premise of Nevill calling the police. What Jeremy did for 25 minutes or what Jeremy did or didn’t do or say wouldn’t matter. Hence anyone who believe’s in Nevills call has nothing to really answer for here.

No, but the scenario (because that is all it is) lacks such detail given that it is not what Bamber himself argued at the time and it completely dismisses his whole original story. Plus the call to Julie is crucial.
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« Reply #354 on: October 23, 2019, 04:02:PM »
During the Dickinson enquiry Bews confirmed that he had been out on foot patrol with Myall and Saxby, effectively leaving the police station unmanned and door locked, with the phone redirected to Chelmsford. All 3 returned to Witham around 03:10. That was quite common practice at sub-stations. All three officers were at Witham when West and Saxby had their alleged radio conversation (which I don't believe ever took place).
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Where is this documented (not that it's of importance)?

For the above not to be true, West and Saxby would have had to be in cahoots on a frame up from day one that THAT is ludicrous!
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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #355 on: October 23, 2019, 04:21:PM »



Well I guess JB was relying on the officers to make notes and not for him to keep reminding them of what he ( alone ) saw when lights were going on and off. What officers saw and what they wrote down were two entirely different things once it came to trial----such as the figure in the window which changed to a trick of the light. I don't see it being JB's problem at all. It's not his fault if police chose to miss out what they all saw that night.

We weren't talking about lights, we were talking about whether there were one or two phone calls to the police. West and Bonnet did write down what happened, it's just that West wrote down the time of the call wrongly.

Nobody saw lights going on and off. The police wrote down what they saw - it was up to the jury as to whether to place any credence on it. Clearly, the jury didn't believe that anyone was alive in the house when the police got there.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #356 on: October 23, 2019, 04:22:PM »
No, but the scenario (because that is all it is) lacks such detail given that it is not what Bamber himself argued at the time and it completely dismisses his whole original story. Plus the call to Julie is crucial.

If Nevill rang the police implicating Sheila. There are no inferences to draw from Jeremy actions as he cannot be guilty anyway.

What needs to be addressed is the absence of any phone log from Nevill to the police operator. The timings that simply make it impossible, West and Bonnet making no mention of a call from Nevill. The police suppressing such a call from Jeremy's relatives ect ect.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #357 on: October 23, 2019, 04:24:PM »
During the Dickinson enquiry Bews confirmed that he had been out on foot patrol with Myall and Saxby, effectively leaving the police station unmanned and door locked, with the phone redirected to Chelmsford. All 3 returned to Witham around 03:10. That was quite common practice at sub-stations. All three officers were at Witham when West and Saxby had their alleged radio conversation (which I don't believe ever took place).
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Why would West lie about calling Witham? Are you saying that he spoke to someone other than Saxby?

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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #358 on: October 23, 2019, 04:35:PM »
For those who believe that Jeremy phoned West after his father phoned West, why did West not mention to Jeremy that his father had already phoned?

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Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #359 on: October 23, 2019, 04:47:PM »
For those who believe that Jeremy phoned West after his father phoned West, why did West not mention to Jeremy that his father had already phoned?

Such things are difficult to fathom, however, we do not know police procedure in such instances.