Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Jane]

Considering the " thoughts " behind all this, it makes it nigh on impossible for him to have committed any crime let alone the murders of five people.

 You may not understand the difference but just because he wasn't academic doesn't make him stupid. Some of the cleverest people aren't academic.

[David1819]

Are you really suggesting, that with a bullet through her neck which had shattered two vertebrae she'd have been capable of executing such a task, especially as there's no proof of her knowing how.

What task are you referring to?

[Jane]

What task are you referring to?

Of reloading the gun? Or did I misunderstand what you meant?

[David1819]

Of reloading the gun? Or did I misunderstand what you meant?

I didn’t say she would reload the gun after the first shot. I said we would have bled to death.

[Jane]

I didn’t say she would reload the gun after the first shot. I said we would have bled to death.

Ooh! Would WE? Yes, she eventually would have, but as I said, how long is a piece of string? I doubt that Jeremy wanted her to suffer. He simply required her to be dead.

[Caroline]

I have no problem with two shots equating to suicide. I'm just commenting on the fact there were two bullets left - just enough to finish the job.

How do you know there were two left and that Sheila was the last to die? There may have been more left and just fired at random into one (or more) of the other victims.

[Caroline]

Considering the " thoughts " behind all this, it makes it nigh on impossible for him to have committed any crime let alone the murders of five people.

How?

[ILB]

I don't imagine, even if the instruction had been "to have a nosy", that an understair wedge, which had nothing to do with where the murders occurred, would have been high on the list of priorities. There's also the point that it would have required a little more than a "nosy" to locate the silencer. I think there were probably more pressing things to do.

With respect, that is not what I asked. Il ask if again, if you're a police officer and you are conducting a search. Whether it be casual or high magnitude. What's the first place you'd look in? Or one the first places....

[Kaldin]

How do you know there were two left and that Sheila was the last to die? There may have been more left and just fired at random into one (or more) of the other victims.

It could only have been June - not any of the others.

[lookout]

How?

You'll have to look at Jane's post to fathom that out.

[Jane]

Then he'd have, very quickly, had to come up with an alternative scenario. Not easy, given how long the first had been planned for. Thinking on his feet at that juncture -and making the right choice, given how long it took him to get round to calling the police- would have been beyond him.

From where, in the above, can you possibly deduce that I suggested him incapable of planning and carrying out murder? Those "thoughts" you mentioned are your own, aren't they?

[Caroline]

It could only have been June - not any of the others.

Why not?

[Kaldin]

Why not?

If it was Jeremy, why would he go downstairs again, fire one or more bullet into Nevill, and then go back upstairs to plant the rifle on Sheila? Likewise, why would he go back into the twins' room and fire one more random shot at one of them? IMO, the twins were shot at the same time using one magazine.

Indeed, why would he kill Sheila, and then fire one or more bullets into June? He would only do that if June was still alive at that point.

[Caroline]

If it was Jeremy, why would he go downstairs again, fire one or more bullet into Nevill, and then go back upstairs to plant the rifle on Sheila? Likewise, why would he go back into the twins' room and fire one more random shot at one of them? IMO, the twins were shot at the same time using one magazine.

Indeed, why would he kill Sheila, and then fire one or more bullets into June? He would only do that if June was still alive at that point.

No one here can answer why, it simply remains a possibility.

[Jane]

With respect, that is not what I asked. Il ask if again, if you're a police officer and you are conducting a search. Whether it be casual or high magnitude. What's the first place you'd look in? Or one the first places....

Well, naturally, it depends on what, if anything, they were told to look for. Those who went in initially, weren't forensics, I believe? I truly don't believe they were looking for anything, other than possible survivors, when they first went in. Jeremy had solved the case for them. Also, what can't be ruled out, is that those men, even the seasoned police officers, walked in on a scene that they'd only ever experienced in theory. I can't imagine they weren't affected in some way.