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Title: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on August 25, 2019, 10:03:AM
Although I can understand the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein being murdered because of the powerful people he could name in his up coming court case, I'm interested in other aspects of the case.

What crime has Prince Andrew actually committed ? If all he has done is have consensual sex with girls not under 16 years of age.

As soon as I watched the video and saw Prince Andrew standing in the doorway, waving goodbye to the attractive Brunet woman, after Epstein is seen leaving his New York Mansion with the young blonde girl.
I immediately thought, who are the 2 women featured especially the possibly under age blonde girl.

Then the Epstein saga gets weirder by the day, the brunette woman waving to Prince Andrew has been identified as the daughter (Katherine) of ex Aussie Prime Minister Paul Keating.

So now I'm interested in the identity of the possibly under age blond girl.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=43

After some googling I find that Paul Keating left his wife more than 20 years ago and shacked up with soap opera actress Julieanne Newbould, who had 2 daughters.
Here's a photo of Julieanne at a similar age as the young blond in the above video.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/prisonercellblockh/images/6/64/Hannah.s/revision/latest?cb=20171205204307)

In the video the young blonde is shivering, maybe just recently arrived to a New York winter from an Australian summer.
Katherine Keating had only been in New York a couple of months.
When the 2 women walk past each other they look as though they're more than just recently met acquaintances. Is the blonde girl possibly Katherine Keating's step sister & Paul Keating's step daughter ?

Could Katherine Keating of had Ghislaine Maxwell's job, of recruiting girls for Epstein.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on August 25, 2019, 10:45:AM
It's his own fault that stories about him are rife. He,Prince Andrew, should have severed all ties with that monster once he got wind of his lifestyle. Why, when he actually knew what that man's game was, did he even bother going back for visits ?

When you know someone as dodgy as that subhuman was, you avoid them like the plague. Was Prince Andrew so thick not to have seen right through him and his sleazy way of life ?

Prince Andrew has brought all this on to himself, the arrogant so and so. Serves him right !!
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on August 25, 2019, 10:52:AM
It's his own fault that stories about him are rife. He,Prince Andrew, should have severed all ties with that monster once he got wind of his lifestyle. Why, when he actually knew what that man's game was, did he even bother going back for visits ?

When you know someone as dodgy as that subhuman was, you avoid them like the plague. Was Prince Andrew so thick not to have seen right through him and his sleazy way of life ?

Prince Andrew has brought all this on to himself, the arrogant so and so. Serves him right !!

Totally agree Lookout!
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 25, 2019, 01:13:PM
Although I can understand the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein being murdered because of the powerful people he could name in his up coming court case, I'm interested in other aspects of the case.

What crime has Prince Andrew actually committed ? If all he has done is have consensual sex with girls not under 16 years of age.

As soon as I watched the video and saw Prince Andrew standing in the doorway, waving goodbye to the attractive Brunet woman, after Epstein is seen leaving his New York Mansion with the young blonde girl.
I immediately thought, who are the 2 women featured especially the possibly under age blonde girl.

Then the Epstein saga gets weirder by the day, the brunette woman waving to Prince Andrew has been identified as the daughter (Katherine) of ex Aussie Prime Minister Paul Keating.

So now I'm interested in the identity of the possibly under age blond girl.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=43

After some googling I find that Paul Keating left his wife more than 20 years ago and shacked up with soap opera actress Julieanne Newbould, who had 2 daughters.
Here's a photo of Julieanne at a similar age as the young blond in the above video.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/prisonercellblockh/images/6/64/Hannah.s/revision/latest?cb=20171205204307)

In the video the young blonde is shivering, maybe just recently arrived to a New York winter from an Australian summer.
Katherine Keating had only been in New York a couple of months.
When the 2 women walk past each other they look as though they're more than just recently met acquaintances. Is the blonde girl possibly Katherine Keating's step sister & Paul Keating's step daughter ?

Could Katherine Keating of had Ghislaine Maxwell's job, of recruiting girls for Epstein.
I suppose it wouldn't look good to the Establishment if it was known he was cavorting with call girls. We now know the name of the girl in the lawsuit: Virginia Giuffre neé Roberts. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/02/prince-andrew-named-us-lawsuit-underage-sex-allegations
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 25, 2019, 01:47:PM
Only just recently been reading about this Epstein guy.

Its been alleged that he secretly video taped his powerful friends having sex with underage girls in order to blackmail them. He was also involved in a 400 million dollar Ponzi fraud in the 1980s.

He was then the mastermind and inventor behind misrepresenting collateralized debts through complex financial engineering in order to dupe the credit ratings. This was a major contributing factor for the 2008 recession.

I must say its a pity he was Jewish, because he is every anti-semites wet dream: a real life multi-billionaire  "Jew money-trader" that exploits everyone. And also a real life "Jew sex-deviant".
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on August 26, 2019, 07:51:AM
The video has been doctored. After the brunet (Katherine Keating) first leaves the Epstein mansion talking to the Blonde girl, she (the brunet) is carrying a white bag with a white shoulder strap.
Yet when Prince Andrew is seen waving to Katherine Keating she is not carrying the white shoulder bag. The video has been edited to make it look as though Prince Andrew was present with the possibly under age blonde.
But this doesn't excuse the Prince for hanging out with a convicted pedo.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=66
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on August 26, 2019, 10:05:AM
bill clinton and donald trump are also implicated.

his irlfriend is the daughter of robet maxwell.

he also had conection to tony bliar and peter mandelesion.

theugh they have yet to be acused of anything.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on August 26, 2019, 10:09:AM
The video has been doctored. After the brunet (Katherine Keating) first leaves the Epstein mansion talking to the Blonde girl, she (the brunet) is carrying a white bag with a white shoulder strap.
Yet when Prince Andrew is seen waving to Katherine Keating she is not carrying the white shoulder bag. The video has been edited to make it look as though Prince Andrew was present with the possibly under age blonde.
But this doesn't excuse the Prince for hanging out with a convicted pedo.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=66

she was 17 thats legal here but not in florida.

but for it to be a crime he has to know shes underage.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on August 26, 2019, 10:19:AM
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she was 17 thats legal here but not in florida.

but for it to be a crime he has to know shes underage.
I was referring to the unnamed blonde girl in the above video.

Here's a link to Epstein's black book.
file:///C:/Users/OEM/Downloads/Jeffrey_Epstein39s_Little_Black_Book_unredacted%20(13).pdf

If the blonde girl is the daughter of Paul Keating's partner that would make her 18 years old. In this 2009 article Julieanne Newbould mentions, her then 17 year old daughter.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bold-new-life-for-keatings-girl/news-story/7e62d621775d924c320957871d50ba9e

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"What have I been doing? I raised my two girls (Bella, 21, and Gigi, 17). They're great kids, fabulous kids.
"They've been my priority - they still are my priority,'' she said.
Ms Newbould said she was still a hands-on mother and would help guide Gigi though her HSC this year.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on August 26, 2019, 12:43:PM
I was referring to the unnamed blonde girl in the above video.

Here's a link to Epstein's black book.
file:///C:/Users/OEM/Downloads/Jeffrey_Epstein39s_Little_Black_Book_unredacted%20(13).pdf

If the blonde girl is the daughter of Paul Keating's partner that would make her 18 years old. In this 2009 article Julieanne Newbould mentions, her then 17 year old daughter.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bold-new-life-for-keatings-girl/news-story/7e62d621775d924c320957871d50ba9e

It's still all a bit dodgy, someone of his age being interested in barely legal young girls.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on August 26, 2019, 01:10:PM
It's still all a bit dodgy, someone of his age being interested in barely legal young girls.

its called a midlife crises.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on August 26, 2019, 03:40:PM
its called a midlife crises.

In is case, it's a bit more than that.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 26, 2019, 06:01:PM
Just for the record, it’s ludicrous to think he was murdered. He was in and out of the jail suicide watch unit.

The only plausible argument one could make is that he was deliberately allowed to kill himself.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on August 26, 2019, 06:16:PM
Just for the record, it’s ludicrous to think he was murdered. He was in and out of the jail suicide watch unit.

The only plausible argument one could make is that he was deliberately allowed to kill himself.

wernt very good it were they.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on August 27, 2019, 04:58:AM
But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on August 27, 2019, 08:03:AM
But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.

Being considered a peadophile?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 27, 2019, 08:17:AM
But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.

His motive was probably that he’d rather be dead than remain incarcerated.

The high flying lifestyle he was accustomed to compared to an American prison. Who could blame him?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on August 27, 2019, 09:19:AM
With all the dirt he had on a lot of powerful people, I think he would have been able to cope with the above.
I think he was taken out, all the stories about what actually happened in the prison are inconclusive.

Although if I were in his shoes I would be dreading meeting my accusers in Court.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 27, 2019, 10:34:AM
With all the dirt he had on a lot of powerful people, I think he would have been able to cope with the above.
I think he was taken out, all the stories about what actually happened in the prison are inconclusive.

Although if I were in his shoes I would be dreading meeting my accusers in Court.

All the dirt he had on other people was for blackmail purposes to advance his own business interests. In a court of law its rather useless to him, plus he cannot name anyone at his trial without implicating himself even further.

The guy killed himself.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on August 27, 2019, 05:02:PM
But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.

well it must be shock to go from a mansion and a private to a jail cell and thens the thought that he might possibly be spending the rest of his life there.

I agrea its a bit convenant but that on its own doesn't prove he was murdered.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 27, 2019, 05:16:PM
well it must be shock to go from a mansion and a private to a jail cell and thens the thought that he might possibly be spending the rest of his life there.

I agrea its a bit convenant but that on its own doesn't prove he was murdered.

Plus he was trying to kill himself anyway. Why murder him when they could just turn a blind eye to his suicidal behaviour.  :-\
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 27, 2019, 07:00:PM
Before his lucrative and shady career in finance. He was a math and science teacher.



(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5d28cfc43b00004d00dac426.png?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on August 27, 2019, 07:11:PM
It would have to involve maths wouldn't it ?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 27, 2019, 07:16:PM
It would have to involve maths wouldn't it ?

No doubt, a very intelligent man.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on August 27, 2019, 07:55:PM
No doubt, a very intelligent man.





Meaning his dealings with finances, fraudulent or otherwise.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 27, 2019, 08:00:PM

Meaning his dealings with finances, fraudulent or otherwise.

What about them?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on August 27, 2019, 08:22:PM
What about them?





Well just after the arrest about sleazy lifestyle that he'd led, there were questions on how he made all his money, which is at present a mystery.   The latest being that his finances are to remain secret but it doesn't stop many from theorising. Offshore accounts from his work as a pimp for starters. Blackmail under the cover of hedgefunding. Trump will remain quietly protective of him as will many others.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 27, 2019, 08:47:PM

Well just after the arrest about sleazy lifestyle that he'd led, there were questions on how he made all his money, which is at present a mystery.   The latest being that his finances are to remain secret but it doesn't stop many from theorising. Offshore accounts from his work as a pimp for starters. Blackmail under the cover of hedgefunding. Trump will remain quietly protective of him as will many others.

He made the majority of his money running hudgefunds. It takes a lot of brains to be good at that.

Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 27, 2019, 10:04:PM
He made the majority of his money running hudgefunds. It takes a lot of brains to be good at that.
It's all very sleazy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49486590
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on August 28, 2019, 06:13:AM
Only just recently been reading about this Epstein guy.

 He was also involved in a 400 million dollar Ponzi fraud in the 1980s.

He was then the mastermind and inventor behind misrepresenting collateralized debts through complex financial engineering in order to dupe the credit ratings. This was a major contributing factor for the 2008 recession.



Got any links to the above ?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: David1819 on August 28, 2019, 08:52:AM
Got any links to the above ?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-worked-at-towers-financial-with-stephen-hoffenberg-who-committed-ponzi-scheme-crimes/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-worked-at-towers-financial-with-stephen-hoffenberg-who-committed-ponzi-scheme-crimes/)
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on August 28, 2019, 11:22:AM
Many criminals are well above average intelligence to be one step ahead of the law. This is why very few end up in prison. You rarely see an intelligent person locked up. Drug barons are intelligent and although there may be one or two locked up you can bet your life they won't be living on the streets once released.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on August 29, 2019, 09:35:AM
Although I can understand the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein being murdered because of the powerful people he could name in his up coming court case, I'm interested in other aspects of the case.

What crime has Prince Andrew actually committed ? If all he has done is have consensual sex with girls not under 16 years of age.

As soon as I watched the video and saw Prince Andrew standing in the doorway, waving goodbye to the attractive Brunet woman, after Epstein is seen leaving his New York Mansion with the young blonde girl.
I immediately thought, who are the 2 women featured especially the possibly under age blonde girl.

Then the Epstein saga gets weirder by the day, the brunette woman waving to Prince Andrew has been identified as the daughter (Katherine) of ex Aussie Prime Minister Paul Keating.

So now I'm interested in the identity of the possibly under age blond girl.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=43

After some googling I find that Paul Keating left his wife more than 20 years ago and shacked up with soap opera actress Julieanne Newbould, who had 2 daughters.

In the video the young blonde is shivering, maybe just recently arrived to a New York winter from an Australian summer.
Katherine Keating had only been in New York a couple of months.
When the 2 women walk past each other they look as though they're more than just recently met acquaintances. Is the blonde girl possibly Katherine Keating's step sister & Paul Keating's step daughter ?

Could Katherine Keating of had Ghislaine Maxwell's job, of recruiting girls for Epstein.
Here's a more recent photo of Katherine Keating's step sister Gigi Penna. I'm now certain she's the mystery young blond girl.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/922991553257205760/VgyoXXMw.jpg)
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on August 29, 2019, 10:50:PM
https://youtu.be/ahNRI8OMDHk
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on September 04, 2019, 12:49:PM
The video has been doctored. After the brunet (Katherine Keating) first leaves the Epstein mansion talking to the Blonde girl, she (the brunet) is carrying a white bag with a white shoulder strap.
Yet when Prince Andrew is seen waving to Katherine Keating she is not carrying the white shoulder bag. The video has been edited to make it look as though Prince Andrew was present with the possibly under age blonde.
But this doesn't excuse the Prince for hanging out with a convicted pedo.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=66

It looks as though I was mistaken with the above comments. The brunet carrying the white bag with the white shoulder strap is a different woman to the brunet leaving at the end waving to Prince Andrew.
It looks as though the brunet with the white bag is Sarah Kellen one of Epstein's madams. The woman waving to Prince Andrew is Katherine Keating.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 09, 2019, 09:45:PM
https://youtu.be/oe73n5qIoNQ
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 09, 2019, 11:08:PM
https://youtu.be/ul7Mbfqxr4Y
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 16, 2019, 01:55:PM
https://youtu.be/VFNsKoXTGMI
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on November 17, 2019, 10:17:PM
Here's the full version of Prince Andrew's recent Interview.
What's intersting is that his alibi could be easily corroborated, but he's chosen not to do so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtBS8COhhhM
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2019, 12:55:AM
he should of kept his mouth shut his really dropped himself in it now

Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on November 18, 2019, 01:56:AM
he should of kept his mouth shut his really dropped himself in it now

Yes, but has he ? He's not actually commited a crime, so it means the Police don't have to check up on the story. The photo can't be proved as being fake or not.
No one's going to check the membership list of Tramp night club. He may well have dropped his 13 yr old daughter off at the Pizza Express, after which he may then have gone to London to meet up with Epstein & Maxwell.
More importantly who picked Beatrice up from Pizza Express ?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2019, 02:10:AM
Yes, but has he ? He's not actually commited a crime, so it means the Police don't have to check up on the story. The photo can't be proved as being fake or not.
No one's going to check the membership list of Tramp night club. He may well have dropped his 13 yr old daughter off at the Pizza Express, after which he may then have gone to London to meet up with Epstein & Maxwell.
More importantly who picked Beatrice up from Pizza Express ?

surely sombody at pizza express would rember serving  them.

i mean its not an everyday that proplelike them walk in.

if hes daughter was goin to a party other peopl should be able to say weather he dropped her of or not.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2019, 02:12:AM
Yes, but has he ? He's not actually commited a crime, so it means the Police don't have to check up on the story. The photo can't be proved as being fake or not.
No one's going to check the membership list of Tramp night club. He may well have dropped his 13 yr old daughter off at the Pizza Express, after which he may then have gone to London to meet up with Epstein & Maxwell.
More importantly who picked Beatrice up from Pizza Express ?

the fbi would check the membership list of a trump nightclub.

if they were so inclined and i idont there trump fans.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on November 18, 2019, 04:51:AM
It's Tramp Night Club (in London) not Trump

The FBI are only going to be interested if he can give information about their investigations, into people implicit in Epstein's illegal activities.
As far as they are concerned Prince Andrew has not commited a crime. He has had concensual sex with a 17 year old girl in New York and the US Virgin Islands.
What is interesting is that Virginia Roberts has accused Prince Andrew of having (concensual) sex with her in London, New York & the US Virgin Islands.
This tells me that the infamous photo is legit. Because if their agenda is to nail Andrew, all she would have to say is he had sex with her at Epstein's home in Florida, where the age of consent is 18

People could well come forward and say their daughter or son was present at the party attended by Beatrice, and Andrew dropped Beatrice off.
But did he pick her up? Woking being only 25 miles from London.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2019, 12:34:PM
should be asy to tell if its a photoshop as he cliams.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on November 18, 2019, 06:41:PM
That was a pretty damning interview!
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2019, 07:42:PM
he said he stayed for conveince now this a man who can stay in any hotel he wnts to he can also stay with the british ambassader so i find that hard to belive.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on November 18, 2019, 08:04:PM
he said he stayed for conveince now this a man who can stay in any hotel he wnts to he can also stay with the british ambassader so i find that hard to belive.

Me too, he also said he went to tell him that he wouldn't be able to mix with him anymore (even though he said they weren't 'good' friends) - but ended up stay for 4 days! He could have rang him, he could have sent an official letter or even made a public statement - but he went to his house - for 4 DAYS!

He stuttered and stammered all the way through the interview - it was embarrassing to watch. He won't come back from this!
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on November 18, 2019, 08:06:PM
Me too, he also said he went to tell him that he wouldn't be able to mix with him anymore (even though he said they weren't 'good' friends) - but ended up stay for 4 days! He could have rang him, he could have sent an official letter or even made a public statement - but he went to his house - for 4 DAYS!

He stuttered and stammered all the way through the interview - it was embarrassing to watch. He won't come back from this!
Was he sweating 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on November 18, 2019, 09:03:PM
Was he sweating 😂😂😂

Apparently, he can sweat now  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 19, 2019, 04:16:PM
cambell thinks its not a big deal aparently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701439/Alastair-Campbell-Duke-York-s-TV-interview-mistake.html
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on November 19, 2019, 06:17:PM
What a shyster ! Trying to hide behind his position. It doesn't work with me. Medical problem my eye !!
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on November 19, 2019, 07:30:PM
cambell thinks its not a big deal aparently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701439/Alastair-Campbell-Duke-York-s-TV-interview-mistake.html

Think he's missed the point, the girl in question states that she was 'trafficked' to sleep with Andrew - pretty big deal to me! She's appearing on a Panorama episode.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 19, 2019, 08:23:PM
Think he's missed the point, the girl in question states that she was 'trafficked' to sleep with Andrew - pretty big deal to me! She's appearing on a Panorama episode.

I think hes missing the point on purpose as he has a connection to Epstein as well
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on November 20, 2019, 06:34:AM
Looks like randy Andy could be due some gaol time along with countless other celebrities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States#United_States_Virgin_Islands

Quote
§ 1702. Rape in the second degree
(a) Any person over 18 years of age who perpetrates under circumstances not amounting to rape in the first degree, an act of sexual intercourse or sodomy with a person not the perpetrator's spouse who is at least 16 years but less than 18 years of age, and the perpetrator is 5 years or older than the victim, is guilty of rape in the second degree and shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 20, 2019, 04:19:PM
they will be geting the guiltine out soon i think.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Jane on November 20, 2019, 07:13:PM
It has just been announced, by Buckingham Palace, that Prince Andrew is withdrawing from public life for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on November 20, 2019, 08:50:PM
It has just been announced, by Buckingham Palace, that Prince Andrew is withdrawing from public life for the foreseeable future.

He's also agree to be available for any investigation. Couldn't do much else really - bet mumsy had a hand in it.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Jane on November 21, 2019, 08:10:AM
He's also agree to be available for any investigation. Couldn't do much else really - bet mumsy had a hand in it.  ;D ;D


He's hardly the most industrious member of the RF. He'll probably use the time out to improve his golf ;D
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on November 21, 2019, 05:50:PM
I think we should reserve judgement until more facts emerge. There's hardly a smoking gun at the moment.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 21, 2019, 05:59:PM
I think we should reserve judgement until more facts emerge. There's hardly a smoking gun at the moment.

i think theres zero chane o that happening.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on November 21, 2019, 06:07:PM
i think theres zero chane o that happening.
I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on November 21, 2019, 06:11:PM
I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.

if he doesnt coprate everyone is going think the worst he has to.

to be honest im more intrested in what clinton and trump were doing with epstein.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on November 30, 2019, 02:16:PM
I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.
Im quite certain Florida could ask him too? Jim Clemente ex FBI mentions this in his podcast even though it happened in England.  Also, What if the “victim” lied about his or her age?

Unfortunately, even if the younger party misled the older party about their age, the older party can still be charged with statutory rape. In Florida, an accused cannot claim ignorance of the alleged victim’s age as a defense against statutory rape.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on November 30, 2019, 02:21:PM
Im quite certain Florida could ask him too? Jim Clemente ex FBI mentions this in his podcast even though it happened in England.  Also, What if the “victim” lied about his or her age?

Unfortunately, even if the younger party misled the older party about their age, the older party can still be charged with statutory rape. In Florida, an accused cannot claim ignorance of the alleged victim’s age as a defense against statutory rape.
Maybe NGB could clarify this position, Jim Clemente was adamant that Andrew could be tried in Florida even though it wasn’t a criminal offence in the UK?

Just found this though, this link clearly says they can’t, unless it’s an offence in both countries?

https://uk.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/the-u-s-uk-extradition-treaty/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-us-uk-extradition-relationship/#collapse4
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on November 30, 2019, 03:19:PM
Does anyone else think that photograph of Andrew and Virginia looks as if it might be doctored?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on November 30, 2019, 05:41:PM
Does anyone else think that photograph of Andrew and Virginia looks as if it might be doctored?
Miss Roberts’ lawyers have insisted the photograph is real and its authenticity never questioned by the FBI, Steve?  Apparently the only way it can be proved is from the original copy, She is said to have given the original, along with 19 other images, to FBI investigators in 2011.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on November 30, 2019, 05:44:PM
Does anyone else think that photograph of Andrew and Virginia looks as if it might be doctored?
Theres a couple of really good podcasts out at the moment, one called “EPSTEIN DEVIL IN THE DARKNESS and one called BROKEN

Real crime profile, podcast, with Jim Clemente exFBI and Laura Richards Scotland Yard, both criminal profilers cover the story from episode 207 to 218. They discuss Prince Andrew.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on November 30, 2019, 05:56:PM
Yesterday, The Sun revealed claims that Andrew flew on a ­private jet with Epstein and his alleged 17-year-old sex slave Virginia Roberts, according to the pilot.
The allegation, made in court papers, is the first to place Andrew and Roberts on Epstein’s plane together.
In court testimony David Rodgers, 66, said one trip saw Epstein, Andrew and the then 17-year-old Virginia heading to the US Virgin Islands.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on November 30, 2019, 06:39:PM
Yesterday, The Sun revealed claims that Andrew flew on a ­private jet with Epstein and his alleged 17-year-old sex slave Virginia Roberts, according to the pilot.
The allegation, made in court papers, is the first to place Andrew and Roberts on Epstein’s plane together.
In court testimony David Rodgers, 66, said one trip saw Epstein, Andrew and the then 17-year-old Virginia heading to the US Virgin Islands.
Not a very aptly-named place. I think Andrew's association with Epstein arose out of the need for him to bankroll his ex- wife out of his $500 million fortune. Things may have got out of hand after that. As far as the photographs are concerned I do think the two individuals look posed, the hand around the body doesn't look natural, as if the two have been joined together, but if the FBI has declared them genuine who am I to gainsay? The next question is whether Andrew will ever appear before an American judge.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on November 30, 2019, 06:45:PM
Not a very aptly-named place. I think Andrew's association with Epstein arose out of the need for him to bankroll his ex- wife out of his $500 million fortune. Things may have got out of hand after that. As far as the photographs are concerned I do think the two individuals look posed, the hand around the body doesn't look natural, as if the two have been joined together, but if the FBI has declared them genuine who am I to gainsay? The next question is whether Andrew will ever appear before an American judge.
Yes, bit conflicting maybe NGB could shed some light on the legal side of this?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on December 01, 2019, 10:17:AM
Not a very aptly-named place. I think Andrew's association with Epstein arose out of the need for him to bankroll his ex- wife out of his $500 million fortune. Things may have got out of hand after that. As far as the photographs are concerned I do think the two individuals look posed, the hand around the body doesn't look natural, as if the two have been joined together, but if the FBI has declared them genuine who am I to gainsay? The next question is whether Andrew will ever appear before an American judge.





I am supposing that if indeed this is a genuine case then Andrew can/will be extradited to the USA.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on December 02, 2019, 11:26:AM
I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.

If he refused to go, it would create even more suspicion.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on December 02, 2019, 12:16:PM
If he refused to go, it would create even more suspicion.
I think they would get round it by this extradition relationship Caroline,

I think because she was 17years old?  It wouldn’t be an offence in the UK even though Florida’s age limit is 18 years old, I think it has to be an offence in both Countries under the extradition Law.

This is what it says

They can’t. This is a “dual criminality” treaty.  No one can be extradited by either country unless the offense is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least one year.

  But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on December 02, 2019, 08:10:PM
I very much doubt that Prince Andrew will be heading to a US courtroom. He had evidently been advised by the Establishment to participate in the Newsnight interview and for the Establishment that will be that.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on December 03, 2019, 12:55:AM
I think they would get round it by this extradition relationship Caroline,

I think because she was 17years old?  It wouldn’t be an offence in the UK even though Florida’s age limit is 18 years old, I think it has to be an offence in both Countries under the extradition Law.

This is what it says

They can’t. This is a “dual criminality” treaty.  No one can be extradited by either country unless the offense is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least one year.

  But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?

He has already said he will help in any investigation including the FBI. There is definitely more to this story and I don't believe any of his excuses. He shouldn't be above the law. Technically, she wasn't under age but he should have asked questions about where she came from knowing what a sleaze Epstein was. The best thing he can do is come clean.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on December 03, 2019, 07:37:AM
He has already said he will help in any investigation including the FBI. There is definitely more to this story and I don't believe any of his excuses. He shouldn't be above the law. Technically, she wasn't under age but he should have asked questions about where she came from knowing what a sleaze Epstein was. The best thing he can do is come clean.
Have to agree 100% guilty, he knew all along what Epstein was up to, he will be hoping it goes away, but hopefully it doesn’t till he does tell some truth.

Found this interesting

Prince Andrew sent an email to Jeffrey Epstein's alleged madam Ghislaine Maxwell at 5.50am to let her know he had 'specific questions' about Virginia Roberts in 2015.

In the email the Prince tells Ghislaine Maxwell: 'Let me know when we can talk. Got some specific questions to ask you about Virginia Roberts.'

Ghislaine replies: 'Have some info. Call me when you have a moment.'
 


Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on December 03, 2019, 08:15:AM
Quote
Quote
I think because she was 17years old?  It wouldn’t be an offence in the UK even though Florida’s age limit is 18 years old, I think it has to be an offence in both Countries under the extradition Law.

This is what it says

They can’t. This is a “dual criminality” treaty.  No one can be extradited by either country unless the offense is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least one year.

  But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
[/quote]

So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.

I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo

The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on December 03, 2019, 08:44:AM
  But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?


So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.

I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.

The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
I don’t think he will go over, if he does then he can be subpoenas, Lawyers have drafted one to make him give evidence in court if he ever steps foot in US again? Looking at it again,  If anything the FBI will come over then listen to Andrews Orchestrated lies.

The Pratt as you call him should come clean and tell the truth and not hide behind his lies, it would have been hard for this traumatised young girl to get everything spot on, she was trafficked from a young age and brainwashed by sex offenders, she’s up against some of the worlds most powerful people with the best Lawyers
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on December 03, 2019, 10:58:AM
  But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?


So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.

I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo

The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
If he did know her intimately, would he refer to her as ‘Virginia’? Or if they were strangers, might he not refer to her as ‘Miss Roberts’?
The email from Andrews computer in 2015 shows he refers to her as Virginia
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on December 03, 2019, 10:59:AM
  But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?


So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.

I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo

The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
If he did know her intimately, would he refer to her as ‘Virginia’? Or if they were strangers, might he not refer to her as ‘Miss Roberts’?
 the email from Andrews computer in 2015 shows he referred to her as Virginia.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Caroline on December 03, 2019, 04:34:PM
  But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?


So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.

I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo

The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.

Having sex with a trafficked female is probably against the law - even here.  Virginia Giuffre sounded truthful to me, whereas he certainly didn't.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on December 03, 2019, 11:54:PM
trump has never met him apparently.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fa.msn.com%2F01%2Fen-gb%2FBBXH8KI%3Focid%3Dsf%26fbclid%3DIwAR3u7dxpUIh3atc5XnwHUF4QJp5Y3TO9e0VA8oR2tlWcuAk9soFJISg3enA&h=AT1cmDyJGPQRAEt6oyojBinVHKLZc-QtL4yYadG8w77B_yBUKiSjLy9SFEDNmiLK8txmKVs49F4FlPqLwHhstLzjRyFJvHYkTloNcy9XmldC-bD5OnsZXA60UwJ9oDCo8WaR6ds8KKkLLugok6M2MBh3C9FcDDfTNg
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Real Justice on December 04, 2019, 09:11:AM
trump has never met him apparently.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fa.msn.com%2F01%2Fen-gb%2FBBXH8KI%3Focid%3Dsf%26fbclid%3DIwAR3u7dxpUIh3atc5XnwHUF4QJp5Y3TO9e0VA8oR2tlWcuAk9soFJISg3enA&h=AT1cmDyJGPQRAEt6oyojBinVHKLZc-QtL4yYadG8w77B_yBUKiSjLy9SFEDNmiLK8txmKVs49F4FlPqLwHhstLzjRyFJvHYkTloNcy9XmldC-bD5OnsZXA60UwJ9oDCo8WaR6ds8KKkLLugok6M2MBh3C9FcDDfTNg
Does he say he never met him or I don’t know him? 
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on December 06, 2019, 09:55:PM
"At some point he's going to have to face the music.." https://youtu.be/VQOOxOl9l80
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on January 09, 2020, 09:16:AM
The Rabbit hole gets deeper.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG3QjeGWsAAF-V_.jpg)

Quote
"An investigation found that Jeffrey Epstein's history at 9 East 71st Street is entangled with the adjacent property, 11 East 71st Street, now home to billionaire Howard Lutnick."

Scroll down
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1183806258857598977.html
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on January 11, 2020, 06:25:PM
strange what happend to the cctv
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on January 20, 2020, 11:41:AM
https://t.co/18TGajDwho?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR1Ro3XAEeaRgVyU9BLm3I5vI5SoY9FXU-a0ox3uekt75WZP8O1VVKxw0xk
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on January 21, 2020, 02:05:AM
It's possible law enforcement agencies could be circling. Katherine Keating has recently placed her Social Media accounts on lock down.
https://twitter.com/kjjkeating

https://twitter.com/awakeinaus/status/1218839709381586944


Looks as though the young blonde girl is actually a long time confidante of Epstein's. The young blond girl is aged at least well into her 20s
Quote
At some point in the afternoon Epstein came out of the house in his white winter jacket. His confidante, Miss Hamblin, also came out and spoke to the driver of a waiting Bentley and appeared to ask him for something.
She returned to the front door, rang the bell and, as it opened, Sarah Kellen, a long-time Epstein associate who has been accused of recruiting young girls for him, left with a smile to Miss Hamblin.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/22/21/21356064-7716275-11_42am_Susan_Hamblin_a_long_term_confidante_seen_leaving-m-37_1574459566281.jpg)
11.42am: Susan Hamblin, a long-term confidante, seen leaving

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716275/Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-crucial-new-witnesses.html#i-ad142efd8aad8bec
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on February 03, 2020, 01:38:PM
https://youtu.be/z_aNc6bywMY

clinton and maxwell
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on March 13, 2020, 05:33:PM
https://youtu.be/bjV5G-EQxZ0
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: JackieD on March 13, 2020, 06:13:PM
https://youtu.be/bjV5G-EQxZ0

Just wow
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on March 13, 2020, 08:34:PM
a lot of peoplewith a lot to hide.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on March 13, 2020, 09:14:PM
a lot of peoplewith a lot to hide.
Yes I think Ghislaine Maxwell especially has a lot to hide, though she must be facing a predicament in protecting the Establishment, given how nastily it treated her late father. I suppose she realizes that if the truth emerged she herself would be liable for a lengthy prison sentence and would thereafter lose her home and right of abode in the USA. https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/ghislaine-maxwell-persuaded-prince-andrew-to-snub-fbis-epstein-probe/
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on March 14, 2020, 10:29:PM
Surely Katherine Keating has to be intervewed by the FBI. She would have some knowledge on Ghislaine Maxwell.
https://twitter.com/awakeinaus/status/1193486110007201794
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Reader on March 15, 2020, 07:01:AM
In that twitter link, the "two" photographs shown at the beginning of the video, are the same photograph, just cropped differently.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on March 15, 2020, 11:16:AM
I don't know what you are trying to say. All I see is a few seconds of video, Epstein putting his arm around Katherine Keating.
She popped back to Oz on the weekend. She's still conspicuous by her silence.
https://www.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/peripatetic-keating-pops-up-at-palm-beach-20200312-p549gx.html
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Reader on March 15, 2020, 12:05:PM
I meant to refer to the reply just below the video, as shown here (https://twitter.com/awakeinaus/status/1193486110007201794) which supposedly identified the woman as Katherine Keating by implying that the woman's bag, shown 10 seconds into the video, matched the bag shown in two photos of Katherine Keating. However, there was one photo (repeated), and the bag in the video isn't shown clearly enough to match it to the bag carried by Katherine Keating.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on March 15, 2020, 08:50:PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1193486110007201794

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJAdTDUWkAAlP15?format=jpg&name=small

It looks like the same bag to me, I'm convinced it's her.

Plus her Father was a US puppet.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1975SYDNEY02354_b.html
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on March 16, 2020, 10:10:PM
This thread has moved on and I seem to have lost track. Could someone explain the relevance of Katherine Keating and the import of the bag?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on March 17, 2020, 08:53:AM
This thread has moved on and I seem to have lost track. Could someone explain the relevance of Katherine Keating and the import of the bag?
She was seen leaving Epstein's Manhatan house, when Prince Andrew was staying there he was seen waving goodbye to her.
She (K Keating) was carrying a designer shoulder strap bag, the same bag when later on Epstein appeared to give her a hug .
Katherine Keating is Paul Keating's daughter the ex Aussie PM. He's a Republican anti the Royal Family.
She should at least be questioned by the FBI. Her social media accounts are in lock down & she refuses to comment.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on April 06, 2020, 07:46:PM
not suprised. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiGufnHutToAhW3QhUIHWbICCEQ0PADMAF6BAgJEAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk-news%2F2020%2Fapr%2F04%2Fprince-andrew-reportedly-not-interviewed-jeffrey-epstein-documentary&usg=AOvVaw2bwxLEne0EkiAqmoiZHoIS
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 11:59:PM
a bit from shaun https://youtu.be/LA__t2fL8PI
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on April 10, 2020, 08:59:AM
a bit from shaun https://youtu.be/LA__t2fL8PI
I'm not sure what he achieved with the video, apart from putting a cleaner on the spot. Did he expect Ghislaine Maxwell to peer out from the threshold in curlers like Hilda Ogden: I mean this is 44 Kinnerton Street, London SW1, not Coronation Street.

As for her father Robert, conspiracy theories still abound, though I think the truth is a little more prosaic. http://betnod.com/threads/the-robert-maxwell-story-always-the-outsider.544/
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2020, 11:01:AM
i never knew she had a ted talk i will hae to go and find that.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2020, 04:40:PM
a bit more.

https://youtu.be/2331YKp8uic
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on May 18, 2020, 09:14:AM
An ex Florida Cop who fled to Russia fearing for his life, after he up loaded to his computor  700+ videos seized from Epstein's mansion , has randomly released a couple of them.
Identifying a powerfull media mogul with a possible under age girl.

https://www.politicalite.com/exclusive/world-exclusive-jeffrey-epstein-ex-cop-john-mark-dougan-says-he-believes-man-in-epstein-tape-is-steve-burke/
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2020, 02:27:PM
oh thats intresting ight it explin why  this was not coverd much in the media  to  start with.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on May 18, 2020, 11:27:PM
It's getting even more interesting, some of the videos up loaded to porn sites years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD940UC-4u0&feature=emb_logo

https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1262465412408713219
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2020, 07:57:PM
https://t.co/hp6kwpmnQK?amp=1
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Roch on May 28, 2020, 10:27:AM
According to Sammy Gravano, who has knowledge of the cells' structure and procedures, Epstein probably committed suicide. Just an opinion though.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 11:05:AM
According to Sammy Gravano, who has knowledge of the cells' structure and procedures, Epstein probably committed suicide. Just an opinion though.

thing  is when somone ison suicid watch yu have t ask why nobody was watching them
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 02:03:PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/business/jeffrey-epstein-charity.html
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 02:16:PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/business/jeffrey-epstein-business-wall-street.html
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on June 06, 2020, 02:11:PM
clinton https://youtu.be/aq5sXcf30c4
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on June 08, 2020, 01:24:PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-demands-uk-hands-prince-andrew-over-for-questioning-in-epstein-case/ar-BB15bRML?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on June 08, 2020, 04:37:PM
should be fun
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on June 09, 2020, 01:23:AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/prince-andrew-falsely-portraying-himself-as-eager-to-cooperate-in-epstein-investigation-us-lawyer-say/ar-BB15dhHU?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on June 09, 2020, 07:36:PM
https://youtu.be/899laVjvD9c
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on June 22, 2020, 05:48:PM
https://youtu.be/I3yYy8VfZjY
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on July 02, 2020, 04:50:PM
Is the net closing in..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-associate-charged-by-fbi/ar-BB16fANi?ocid=msedgdhp
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on July 02, 2020, 05:30:PM
 well her father died msytiosly so did her boyfriend possle sombody might go for a hatrick

mind i dont they would be likely to get away with that tomany qustions
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2020, 02:20:PM
She'll be on "suicide" watch.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on July 04, 2020, 07:50:PM
She'll be on "suicide" watch.
I don't think it's part of her persona to do away with herself. Her father committed suicide when the money ran out, but there seemed to be plenty salted away for his offspring. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/04/high-society-to-hideaway-arrest-ghislaine-maxwells-dramatic-fall

I may be wrong: https://youtu.be/aw48VryHBNU
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on July 05, 2020, 07:35:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/05/judge-orders-destruction-of-epstein-evidence/
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on July 06, 2020, 08:15:PM
https://youtu.be/vIvIF-YC0pg
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on July 10, 2020, 09:56:PM
Ghislaine wants bail: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-asks-for-bail-secured-with-3m-homes-in-uk-as-lawyers-claim-she-faces-covid-19-threat-in-prison/ar-BB16AE8D?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on July 10, 2020, 10:04:PM
cant blame her considring what happend to her boyfriend
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on July 14, 2020, 07:27:PM
She's pleading not guilty. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-pleads-not-guilty-to-procuring-girls-for-jeffrey-epstein/ar-BB16JauS?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on July 14, 2020, 10:10:PM
probely holding for a plea deal
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Roch on July 15, 2020, 10:49:AM
probely holding for a plea deal

Imagine her getting transported to trial? It would be like that famous end scene in Guantlet ('77), where the bus is driven through a hail of bullets.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: nugnug on July 17, 2020, 01:42:PM
https://youtu.be/O7QeXPkT4ww
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 01, 2020, 06:51:AM
These he said-she said cases are a minefield to navigate: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/underage-girl-forced-to-have-sex-with-prince-andrew-us-court-document-claims/ar-BB17q8pw?ocid=msedgdhp
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 01, 2020, 06:34:PM
I thought a stay of execution was for Death Row inmates, but her crimes may be almost as bad..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-granted-stay-of-execution-by-us-court-delaying-release-of-incriminating-court-papers/ar-BB17sj0M?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: lookout on August 06, 2020, 03:11:PM
I thought a stay of execution was for Death Row inmates, but her crimes may be almost as bad..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-granted-stay-of-execution-by-us-court-delaying-release-of-incriminating-court-papers/ar-BB17sj0M?ocid=msedgntp





She was the instigator in ruining the lives of teenagers. Abhorrent ! Let her face what's coming to her.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 11, 2020, 11:52:AM



She was the instigator in ruining the lives of teenagers. Abhorrent ! Let her face what's coming to her.

I wonder does any woman here feel that Maxwell is being targeted to take some of the heat off Prince Andrew?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8614925/Ghislaine-Maxwell-moans-conditions-hell-hole-Brooklyn-jail.html
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 13, 2020, 09:51:PM
Does Ghislaine have something to hide..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-lawyers-attempt-to-keep-deposition-details-secret/ar-BB19YRam?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on October 14, 2020, 06:34:AM
I think she's fearfull of the release of other high profile names mentioned by Virginia Giuffre. Once the names are out there she'll lose some of her blackmail leverage.
Anyone who boarded the Lollita Express to the Island must have known what was going on.
They're all going to start ratting on each other to avoid being prosecuted.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 22, 2020, 08:30:PM
I think she's fearfull of the release of other high profile names mentioned by Virginia Giuffre. Once the names are out there she'll lose some of her blackmail leverage.
Anyone who boarded the Lollita Express to the Island must have known what was going on.
They're all going to start ratting on each other to avoid being prosecuted.
I think it's quite plain that Ghislaine is set to receive a custodial sentence. I'm sure many are wondering about the convenient suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. What I'm still unclear of is whether the arm of the law will ever reach Prince Andrew. https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/10/22/maxwell-alleges-andrew-accuser-wove-a-a-tissue-of-liesa/
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on October 23, 2020, 06:44:AM
Unless it can be proved that the sexual activity was none consensual, what is the crime ?
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: handyman on October 23, 2020, 09:21:AM
Does Ghislaine have something to hide..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-lawyers-attempt-to-keep-deposition-details-secret/ar-BB19YRam?ocid=msedgntp

The entire Ghislaine Maxwell deposition 465 page deposition is here. But so heavily redacted, as to almost being pointless.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7274479-Maxwell-Deposition-2016.html

Page 231 Maxwell tries to deny the authenticity of the now famous photo of Prince Andrew, herself and Virginia at her Belgravia home.
Title: Re: Epstein & Prince Andrew.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 23, 2020, 07:00:PM
Unless it can be proved that the sexual activity was none consensual, what is the crime ?
The allegation that she was trafficked and Prince Andrew was more or less procuring a prostitute would be the crime I suppose, if Virginia Roberts Giuffre doesn't allege he forced himself on her. He would be hounded in the court of public opinion and ostracized from any meaningful role in the Royal Family. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/royal-family/prince-andrew-asked-ghislaine-maxwell-about-accuser-documents-suggest/ar-BB1akaQJ?ocid=msedgntp