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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:39:AM

Title: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:39:AM
Nothing could be any clearer - there exist two completely different versions regarding where the bodies of the five victims of the white house shooting tragedy were found when firearm officers entered the farmhouse!

In one version (police messages), all the messages that were passed are timed and lgged, in the other version (witness statement) no times are given for the time each of the bodies were found!

Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:42:AM
Nothing could be any clearer - there exist two completely different versions regarding where the bodies of the five victims of the white house shooting tragedy were found when firearm officers entered the farmhouse!

In one version (police messages), all the messages that were passed are timed and lgged, in the other version (witness statement) no times are given for the time each of the bodies were found!

Nobody but the police themselves are responsible for the existence of such a conflict...

In the original version of events, cops found two bodies downstairs in the kitchen, and three bodies found upstairs! Whereas in the later witness statement accounts, the police only have one body downstairs, and the other four bodies upstairs!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:45:AM
Neither, Jeremy Bamber, nor his legal team, not any of his supporters, have introduced any of the contents contained in the specifically timed police radio messages - the police passed these messages and they recorded them in a typical police fashion. Timing of events or occurrences, is what good completing is all about, right?
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:46:AM
Neither, Jeremy Bamber, nor his legal team, not any of his supporters, have introduced any of the contents contained in the specifically timed police radio messages - the police passed these messages and they recorded them in a typical police fashion. Timing of events or occurrences, is what good completing is all about, right?

You know how the old saying goes:-

'If you want to know the time, ask a policeman's!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:47:AM

'If you want to know the time, ask a policeman'!

However, if you live in Essex, you might not want to, because they don't appear to be able to tell the right time of day or night from one minute to the other!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:55:AM
Why would the police say there were two bodies found downstairs, and only three bodies found upstairs, if it was not true?
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 10:58:AM
Why would the police say there were two bodies found downstairs, and only three bodies found upstairs, if it was not true?

Why would they say that there was the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry to the kitchen, (7.35am, 7.37am and 7.38am) if it wasn't true at these times? Why would they say these things and bother to record it all, if there had only been one dead male body found in the kitchen on and by these occasions?
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:06:AM
Why would they say that there was the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry to the kitchen, (7.35am, 7.37am and 7.38am) if it wasn't true at these times? Why would they say these things and bother to record it all, if there had only been one dead male body found in the kitchen on and by these occasions?

There are some amongst us, many in fact, who go along with the suggestion that the police made a mistake by initially describing that a womans body had been seen through a window prior to entry having been made to the premises, but which turned out to be the body of a dead male (Neville Bamber) once the police got into the kitchen of the farmhouse - but if this were true there would have been no need to pass any messages after police had got into the kitchen, and found the dead body of a male. But, no sooner do police enter the kitchen and first of all make mention that they had found the body of one dead male person, than they are including mention of a second body, using the term, 'and the body of one dead female'...

So, not one body found inside the kitchen, but two dead bodies, the body of a man and the body of a woman! The man's body mentioned at all times in these messages before there is any mention of a dead female body also being present there!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:12:AM
There are some amongst us, many in fact, who go along with the suggestion that the police made a mistake by initially describing that a womans body had been seen through a window prior to entry having been made to the premises, but which turned out to be the body of a dead male (Neville Bamber) once the police got into the kitchen of the farmhouse - but if this were true there would have been no need to pass any messages after police had got into the kitchen, and found the dead body of a male. But, no sooner do police enter the kitchen and first of all make mention that they had found the body of one dead male person, than they are including mention of a second body, using the term, 'and the body of one dead female'...

So, not one body found inside the kitchen, but two dead bodies, the body of a man and the body of a woman! The man's body mentioned at all times in these messages before there is any mention of a dead female body also being present there!

What we know now, is that the events which were unfolding inside the kitchen (between 7.35am and 7.45am) was that the events were being monitored back at the control room in Chelmsford via the off the hook telephone in the kitchen, itself...

One of the timed police message logs, makes mention of hearing loud knocks, movement and voices!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:15:AM
If this was supposed to be a covertly exercised operation, whereby firearm officers made a speedy entry into the farmhouse, intent on capturing its occupants by surprise, why are raised  voices heard to have been booming out, so loudly that they could be heard back in the control room through the telephone link which the operator had set up from 6.09am that morning, a link which did not get discontinued until 8.15am?
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:21:AM
If this was supposed to be a covertly exercised operation, whereby firearm officers made a speedy entry into the farmhouse, intent on capturing its occupants by surprise, why are raised  voices heard to have been booming out, so loudly that they could be heard back in the control room through the telephone link which the operator had set up from 6.09am that morning, a link which did not get discontinued until 8.15am?

The reason there were raised voices when the firearm officers entered the kitchen was because of them being confronted by Sheila Caffell who was hysterical!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:24:AM
The houses, the movement and the raised voices were all part of the altercation between the police and Sheila in the kitchen - there was nobody else still alive in the farmhouse by that stage, so who else were the firearm officers shouting at?
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:27:AM
The houses, the movement and the raised voices were all part of the altercation between the police and Sheila in the kitchen - there was nobody else still alive in the farmhouse by that stage, so who else were the firearm officers shouting at?

I do not consider myself to be do foolish that I could ignore the implications of the contents of key police radio message contents accompanied by timings!


Additionally, it's recorded that 'VIOCES' could be heard, not a voice - so that's a minimum of two or more persons all raising their voices at such a crucial stage of the police operation!

One of those voices was Sheila Caffell's!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:30:AM
The entire 'eavesdrop' of the telephone link between white house farm and the control room at Chelmsford police station between 6.09am and 8.15am was recorded on audio via the '999' emergency system set up by the operator! That audio recording has not been destroyed, and is currently being held at Southend on Sea police station!
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:34:AM
The entire 'eavesdrop' of the telephone link between white house farm and the control room at Chelmsford police station between 6.09am and 8.15am was recorded on audio via the '999' emergency system set up by the operator! That audio recording has not been destroyed, and is currently being held at Southend on Sea police station!

It is held there, along with the 3.26am and the 3.36am audio recordings of Neville Bambers call, and Jeremy Bambers call to the police, as part of the telecommunications act warrant that was issued in connection with the national and international drugs operation around Jeremy Bamber and his associates, in London, Scotland, Essex, Amsterdam and Belgium, retained under pii rules...
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:41:AM
The body count downstairs and upstairs only altered after the telephone monitoring was discontinued at 8.15am...
Title: Re: Police message log body count versus Witness Statement body count Locations..
Post by: mike tesko on October 08, 2018, 11:44:AM
The body count downstairs and upstairs only altered after the telephone monitoring was discontinued at 8.15am...

The police under whichever disguise you may want to refer to them, currently have the audio recordings from the monitoring of the telephone link set up by the operator between 6.09am and 8.15am, that will prove Jeremy Bambers innocence, it will clear his name, once and forever! But the cops won't hand this evidence over without a fight because they know that if they have to disclose it, that Essex police are going to be facing very serious allegations!