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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other high profile cases => Topic started by: nugnug on August 13, 2018, 05:44:PM

Title: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 13, 2018, 05:44:PM
did she do it.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august032014/diane-downs-ll.php
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 13, 2018, 06:18:PM
did she do it.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august032014/diane-downs-ll.php
She's guilty. https://youtu.be/xYQWfHzLGeQ
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 13, 2018, 06:29:PM
what about the proscuter adopting her children isn't that a bit strange.

and why did they never find the gun.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 13, 2018, 07:26:PM
what about the proscuter adopting her children isn't that a bit strange.

and why did they never find the gun.
Well it was probably the best thing for them.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 13, 2018, 07:43:PM
yes but isn't a bit of conflict ive never heard of a proscuter doing that.

the sherrif was very saying they never looked for anybody else.

r looked for the man she described.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 13, 2018, 08:06:PM
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/november182013/diane-downs-cc.php
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2018, 09:40:PM
did she do it.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august032014/diane-downs-ll.php



Yes she did.

Her boyfiend was splitting up with her because of he didnt want to be her childrens step father. So killing them all was her way of solving that problem. One kid survived and testified at the trial. "Who shot you" the prosecutor asked. The witness answered "My mum"
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 13, 2018, 09:54:PM


Yes she did.

Her boyfiend was splitting up with her because of he didnt want to be her childrens step father. So killing them all was her way of solving that problem. One kid survived and testified at the trial. "Who shot you" the prosecutor asked. The witness answered "My mum"

I think the suggestion might be that she was confused and had been led by the psychiatrists to say such a thing but after all this time she surely would have retracted had she had any doubts. Do you think she had an accomplice, which would explain not finding the murder weapon and lack of gun residue on her hands?
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2018, 10:41:AM
I think the suggestion might be that she was confused and had been led by the psychiatrists to say such a thing but after all this time she surely would have retracted had she had any doubts. Do you think she had an accomplice, which would explain not finding the murder weapon and lack of gun residue on her hands?

The surviving witness leaves little room for speculation
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 11:37:AM


Yes she did.

Her boyfiend was splitting up with her because of he didnt want to be her childrens step father. So killing them all was her way of solving that problem. One kid survived and testified at the trial. "Who shot you" the prosecutor asked. The witness answered "My mum"


i wouldent give much weiht to to testimony of aa child in shock child especaily who is now in the custody of the day thats dodgy as hell.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 15, 2018, 11:49:AM
Anyone with half an eye could see that the woman was lying. Who did she think she was kidding ?  ::)
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 11:53:AM
how come they never found the gun and never produced any proof she owned one.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 12:05:PM
Anyone with half an eye could see that the woman was lying. Who did she think she was kidding ?  ::)

but they never pruduced ay psycall evdence to sayshe had shot anybody.

lookout as a nurse you must know the effect that shock has on peoples memory.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 15, 2018, 12:23:PM
but they never pruduced ay psycall evdence to sayshe had shot anybody.

lookout as a nurse you must know the effect that shock has on peoples memory.







After only watching the first part of the video and her very " odd reaction " in that her car/children were blood-soaked ( she wasn't ) as well as her overall demeanour at presenting what allegedly happened I concluded that it must have been her. She also spoke precisely about what had happened.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 12:26:PM






After only watching the first part of the video and her very " odd reaction " in that her car/children were blood-soaked ( she wasn't ) as well as her overall demeanour at presenting what allegedly happened I concluded that it must have been her. She also spoke precisely about what had happened.

if somone goes through a trauma like that you cant expect 20 20 recolection thins like that effect your mentall state.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 15, 2018, 12:31:PM
if somone goes through a trauma like that you cant expect 20 20 recolection thins like that effect your mentall state.






Anyone seeing their children get shot would give an immediate reaction.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 12:39:PM





Anyone seeing their children get shot would give an immediate reaction.

shock couses people to react in all sorts of different ways.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 15, 2018, 01:37:PM
shock couses people to react in all sorts of different ways.






Yes I'm fully aware of that but a mother's reaction would be children first no matter what even if it meant her being shot in the process. A mother will throw her child from a burning building if it meant saving them, it's the natural thing which kicks in.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 15, 2018, 01:42:PM
This was a woman who only thought about herself and her own future. A deadly combination when there were others to consider---------her young children who were sadly in the way of her pursuant happiness.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2018, 02:20:PM
This is stupid

A surviving victim witnessed Diane Downs attempting to kill them. End of story.

Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 15, 2018, 02:34:PM
It's the same old story of the children who are left to suffer during disputes.
This is why we as a country have so many " mis-placed " children who suffer severe separation problems when either parent finds a new partner and find themselves ignored or worse, not wanted.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 15, 2018, 03:00:PM
This is stupid

A surviving victim witnessed Diane Downs attempting to kill them. End of story.
I agree with the substance but I think we'd just like to tie up loose ends like what happened to the murder weapon and the gun residue.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 03:02:PM
This is stupid

A surviving victim witnessed Diane Downs attempting to kill them. End of story.

and surivig victems never name the wrong person like it hasnt happend in hundreds of wrongfull convictions many of them proven to be wrongfull convictions.

Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 03:06:PM
I agree with the substance but I think we'd just like to tie up loose ends like what happened to the murder weapon and the gun residue.

well she was supposed to have washed off the gunshot resdiue in the hospitall.

but that is a hard thing to do when you have been shot in the arm.

as for the gun i saw no evdence presnted that she evr owned so were would she have got it from in the first place.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 15, 2018, 03:47:PM
well she was supposed to have washed off the gunshot resdiue in the hospitall.

but that is a hard thing to do when you have been shot in the arm.

as for the gun i saw no evdence presnted that she evr owned so were would she have got it from in the first place.





There are such shots where the gases etc remain inside the wound itself.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Caroline on August 15, 2018, 07:27:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUbirKQR62U
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 15, 2018, 07:42:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUbirKQR62U
I remember this when it came out on television in 1989. To be fair to nugnug it's based on Ann Rule's book, which the Defence argued at trial was riddled with inaccuracies.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2018, 08:55:PM
and surivig victems never name the wrong person like it hasnt happend in hundreds of wrongfull convictions many of them proven to be wrongfull convictions.

This was their own mother ffs. How they can mistake the "real killer" for their mum?  ???
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Caroline on August 15, 2018, 08:56:PM
I remember this when it came out on television in 1989. To be fair to nugnug it's based on Ann Rule's book, which the Defence argued at trial was riddled with inaccuracies.

No idea Steve.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 15, 2018, 09:17:PM
No idea Steve.
I'm watching it now, recalling some scenes and forgetting others. I suppose she threw the gun into the Willamette river and it's lodged to this day in the sediment maybe.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 09:22:PM
This was their own mother ffs. How they can mistake the "real killer" for their mum?  ???

thers a famous case were a child dalsely acused her own uncle of atacking her down to the stress of the atack and manipuliation by the da.
 many kids in the 80s acused the parents of being members of ssatinic cults that practicid human sacrfice.

how could she get it wrong well the stress of the atack and presure and manipulation from the da.

it was explianed in the link i posted.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Caroline on August 15, 2018, 09:30:PM
thers a famous case were a child dalsely acused her own uncle of atacking her down to the stress of the atack and manipuliation by the da.
 many kids in the 80s acused the parents of being members of ssatinic cults that practicid human sacrfice.

how could she get it wrong well the stress of the atack and presure and manipulation from the da.

it was explianed in the link i posted.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32357195
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2018, 09:57:PM
"Much of the case against Downs rested on the testimony of surviving daughter Christie, who, once she recovered her ability to speak, described how her mother shot all three children while parked at the side of the road and then shot herself in the arm. "


Furthermore. She managed to get pregnant while in prison to postpone the trial. Then she managed to break out of prison and was on the run for 10 days.

Not the behaviour of an innocent person IMO.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 10:01:PM
"Much of the case against Downs rested on the testimony of surviving daughter Christie, who, once she recovered her ability to speak, described how her mother shot all three children while parked at the side of the road and then shot herself in the arm. "


Furthermore. She managed to get pregnant while in prison to postpone the trial. Then she managed to break out of prison and was on the run for 10 days.

Not the behaviour of an innocent person IMO.

what so sating geting pregnant makes you guilty i dont see the logic threre.

escaping just means you  think your going to be convicted and you might think that becouse your defence atorney told that.

Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 15, 2018, 10:05:PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32357195
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a good read thnkyou
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 15, 2018, 11:08:PM
For those who want to watch the complete film there's another link here: https://youtu.be/BZRUh2tUv08
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 15, 2018, 11:33:PM
..and the real Diane Downs here: https://youtu.be/fsV1u25eXR4
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 15, 2018, 11:43:PM
..and the child she had in prison. https://youtu.be/NNydAeEWSQo
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2018, 11:56:PM
what so sating geting pregnant makes you guilty i dont see the logic threre.


I never said it did make you guilty. To see the logic you need to be able to take a hint from people's actions.


escaping just means you  think your going to be convicted and you might think that becouse your defence atorney told that.


She escaped three years after she was found guilty.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2018, 11:58:PM
..and the child she had in prison. https://youtu.be/NNydAeEWSQo

The fact she has a kid in prison shows how little she cares about her children.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 16, 2018, 12:14:AM
The Defence is struggling here: https://youtu.be/QCsC2Foj8T0
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 16, 2018, 12:15:AM
The fact she has a kid in prison shows how little she cares about her children.
Yes she blames everyone but herself. Remind you of anyone..
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 16, 2018, 08:23:AM
Yes she blames everyone but herself. Remind you of anyone..

A few  8)
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: lookout on August 16, 2018, 11:53:AM
The Defence is struggling here: https://youtu.be/QCsC2Foj8T0






Not surprising. It was a foregone conclusion.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Caroline on August 16, 2018, 12:40:PM
Yes she blames everyone but herself. Remind you of anyone..

Completely!  8)
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 16, 2018, 12:53:PM
how did she make a gun appear and dispear was it by magic.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 16, 2018, 01:08:PM
how did she make a gun appear and dispear was it by magic.
She could have thrown it into the river or buried it, mailed it to an unknown address or had an accomplice take it away.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 16, 2018, 01:19:PM
She could have thrown it into the river or buried it, mailed it to an unknown address or had an accomplice take it away.

but theres no record of her ever owning a gun or buying a gun

where did she get this gun that nobody rembered seling to her nobody had ever seen before.

whos adress wuld of she have mailed it to.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 16, 2018, 01:33:PM
but theres no record of her ever owning a gun or buying a gun

where did she get this gun that nobody rembered seling to her nobody had ever seen before.

whos adress wuld of she have mailed it to.
But they found bullets in her bedroom which had been fired with the same gun as the tragedy. Didn't you watch the Farrah Fawcett film?
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 16, 2018, 02:07:PM
But they found bullets in her bedroom which had been fired with the same gun as the tragedy. Didn't you watch the Farrah Fawcett film?

its a film steve ie a work of fictin loosely based on a reall event.

so she gets rid of the gun so well that nobody ever sees it again but  keeps the used shell casings is that likely.

why you want to keep used shell casings.

and could they say it was fired rom that gun if they never found the gun.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/november182013/diane-downs-cc.php
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 16, 2018, 04:00:PM
its a film steve ie a work of fictin loosely based on a reall event.

so she gets rid of the gun so well that nobody ever sees it again but  keeps the used shell casings is that likely.

why you want to keep used shell casings.

and could they say it was fired rom that gun if they never found the gun.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/november182013/diane-downs-cc.php
I suppose she could have worn gloves and buried the weapon. Police often don't search thoroughly enough; there are many examples.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 16, 2018, 04:42:PM
I suppose she could have worn gloves and buried the weapon. Police often don't search thoroughly enough; there are many examples.

but how can the bullets were fired from the gun if they havent found the gun there statments are missleading at best.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on August 16, 2018, 06:08:PM
https://youtu.be/F6bTpzfC6mg
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on August 16, 2018, 06:17:PM
how did she make a gun appear and dispear was it by magic.


She obtained the weapon illegally, discarded it and the police failed to recover it.

The only way this women can be exonerated is if two things happen. 1. Her daughter recants her testimony and 2. The "real killer" comes forward and admits to the crime.

We cant make any of this happen while chatting on a forum. So its a waste of time IMO.

To me no1 wont happen because its truthfull and no2 wont happen because the real killer is Diane Downs.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 16, 2018, 06:20:PM

She obtained the weapon illegally, discarded it and the police failed to recover it.

The only way this women can be exonerated is if two things happen. 1. Her daughter recants her testimony and 2. The "real killer" comes forward and admits to the crime.

We cant make any of this happen while chatting on a forum. So its a waste of time IMO.

To me no1 wont happen because its truthfull and no2 wont happen because the real killer is Diane Downs.

couldent the same thing be said about jeremy bamber.

or in fact any other case by that logic why does this forum even exit and why do we discuss any case.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on August 30, 2018, 02:30:PM
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.salem-news.com%2Farticles%2Fmay202013%2Fdiane-downs-series-tk.php&h=AT0BpPOhSmL214g1xe8wKErgJ9_lqR2UwvHzqlAkdMHSPtN0TxZi9jv4VYlkWcXxNc8XiOfdm8uGLrOkEGzwHfok9C-UGZFFOqaS31K5AJ29Er7NegpJSFLCmWHYTATAw-4b7hX4G287jAH_HeQTaaZBKRvwq_skeWnk04dLjwWWVpgydQA-1GtkibTWFfQARlrJ-JK6bAw6IB2UuSctOjPnDBgjckY6Ks-T1V4cjC2WpgsSuK01YO_QlVQzGGxRN72gjOpF69521yywMUVgczF06Zyg8g3iAoWR-abJaFpGU8QKpsPNMZN4wHm7zUJfaHMk63IOJQHFLshZpEIIY6CK0v2GrNZX9mo
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on September 24, 2018, 11:20:AM
https://youtu.be/Z3G0cQXmD2c
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on September 24, 2018, 10:45:PM
https://youtu.be/Z3G0cQXmD2c
Her family are spinning a story about James Haynes killing her family in retaliation against her spying as a drug informant. It could explain why there was no gun residue on her hands. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may202013/diane-downs-series-tk.php


https://youtu.be/EyubbY8HZzY
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2018, 03:10:PM
what i have never understood about this cas is why frd hugi wanted to adopt her children i mean there must of kids in the state who he could of adopted why did he want to adpt hers.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 10, 2018, 10:26:PM
what i have never understood about this cas is why frd hugi wanted to adopt her children i mean there must of kids in the state who he could of adopted why did he want to adpt hers.
Maybe he got emotionally involved with them after the ordeal they had endured.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2018, 11:39:AM
Maybe he got emotionally involved with them after the ordeal they had endured.

but they had relatives on both sides of thre family who were willing to te care of them.
Title: Re: Diane downs.
Post by: David1819 on October 20, 2018, 09:41:AM

Ballistics experts testified that bullets taken from Downs's home had extractor marks identical to cartridge casings found at the crime scene. The marks were from a.22 caliber Ruger semiautomatic pistol, the same make of a firearm which Downs had possessed and used previously.