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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other high profile cases => Topic started by: nugnug on July 18, 2018, 12:57:PM

Title: barry george threatned.
Post by: nugnug on July 18, 2018, 12:57:PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gunman-told-barry-george-watch-12932133#ICID=sharebar_facebook
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on July 18, 2018, 07:07:PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gunman-told-barry-george-watch-12932133#ICID=sharebar_facebook
He would be more of a target in Hackney.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961027/Man-acquitted-killing-Jill-Dando-told-watch-walking-free.html
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: nugnug on July 18, 2018, 07:11:PM
i hope the police are investigating this.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 14, 2020, 11:08:PM
Programms on it now.

I was going to ask how George knew where Jill Dando lived. However he did live in the area.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 15, 2020, 07:48:PM
Programms on it now.

I was going to ask how George knew where Jill Dando lived. However he did live in the area.
Is there anything new? There's a thread started here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2410.0.html

The crime: https://youtu.be/4QwQquitVqo
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Roch on October 15, 2020, 11:50:PM
Jill Dando was killed while the David Copeland bombs were occurring. She announced on her last Crimewatch show, that somebody had phoned the show's hotline, to disclose that people with binoculars had been sighted on a rooftop overlooking the Brixton bomb site.  As an aside,  David Copeland wore a light coloured / white baseball cap.  Easy to spot for any would be monitors.  The killer of Jo Cox also wore a similar coloured baseball cap.  In addition, a witness during that case disclosed that a man with binoculars was seen lying down in church grounds, overlooking part of the killer's route.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 16, 2020, 09:53:AM
Is there anything new? There's a thread started here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2410.0.html

The crime: https://youtu.be/4QwQquitVqo

Wasn't paying much attention.

Don't believe the spec of gun shot residue was due to contamination. However unless it can be matched to the crime scene, it just proves that George once had a gun in his property.

Did he ever admit to owning a gun?
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 16, 2020, 03:19:PM
Its been a while since I read about this case. If memory serves me correctly, analysis of the bullet and shell casing used in the murder, determined that the weapon was from the soviet union. The composite of the unkown person in the area looks rather Serbian. And even the modern Serbian government suspect it was a Serbian ultra nationalist.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 16, 2020, 08:06:PM
But Jill Dando wasn't living at the house at the time. Are people saying that Serbian hitmen were hanging around Gowan Avenue, Fulham on the off-chance that Ms. Dando would put in an appearance?
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 16, 2020, 08:17:PM
But Jill Dando wasn't living at the house at the time. Are people saying that Serbian hitmen were hanging around Gowan Avenue, Fulham on the off-chance that Ms. Dando would put in an appearance?

She had keys to the place and was shot as she was trying to unlock the door.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 16, 2020, 09:07:PM
She had keys to the place and was shot as she was trying to unlock the door.
Yes but how did anyone know she was going to be there? Far more likely to be Barry George, a man who had raped a woman in the past but who had learned that women rebuffed him, so he would change his modus operandi to murder. He was local to the area, he was seen by one witness hours before the crime with a cleaning cloth, pretending to wipe a car windscreen. All he would need to do was to approach her, kill her, hurry home to change then attempt to establish an alibi for himself, which is what I believe the sequence of events was.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Roch on October 16, 2020, 09:10:PM
Its been a while since I read about this case. If memory serves me correctly, analysis of the bullet and shell casing used in the murder, determined that the weapon was from the soviet union. The composite of the unkown person in the area looks rather Serbian. And even the modern Serbian government suspect it was a Serbian ultra nationalist.

Were the Serbs known for operations outside of the former Yugoslavia? 
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 16, 2020, 10:04:PM
Were the Serbs known for operations outside of the former Yugoslavia?

I don't know. If there wasn't there is a first time for everything.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Roch on October 17, 2020, 11:44:AM
I don't know. If there wasn't there is a first time for everything.

For many years, I stuck with the Serb theory, simply because I followed the wars in the former Yugoslavia in the early 90's and late 90's. The Serbs were portrayed as the most aggressive of the warring factions and of having seized or inherited most of the military hardware of the former national army. Thus, they were the arch villains of that era. However, if it was a Serb, it is a strikingly isolated act (on foreign soil / strange target). It may be a red herring. Our own security services would have likely identified the assailant. Instead, Mr George was persued for the crime.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 17, 2020, 01:28:PM
For many years, I stuck with the Serb theory, simply because I followed the wars in the former Yugoslavia in the early 90's and late 90's. The Serbs were portrayed as the most aggressive of the warring factions and of having seized or inherited most of the military hardware of the former national army. Thus, they were the arch villains of that era. However, if it was a Serb, it is a strikingly isolated act (on foreign soil / strange target). It may be a red herring. Our own security services would have likely identified the assailant. Instead, Mr George was persued for the crime.

The Serb theory has two scenarios. One being an assassination ordered higher up. The other being a small group or even a single lone wolf acting on their own looking for some kind of revenge. I find the latter more likely.

Jill Dando was making appeals in the media for assistance to the Bosnian refugees etc etc. Plus the murder took  place three days after NATO bombed the central Serbian TV station killing 16 people. Hence I find Serbian theory the only one that makes sense. Combined with the bullet being of Soviet type production.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: ngb1066 on October 17, 2020, 02:23:PM
The Serb theory has two scenarios. One being an assassination ordered higher up. The other being a small group or even a single lone wolf acting on their own looking for some kind of revenge. I find the latter more likely.

Jill Dando was making appeals in the media for assistance to the Bosnian refugees etc etc. Plus the murder took  place three days after NATO bombed the central Serbian TV station killing 16 people. Hence I find Serbian theory the only one that makes sense. Combined with the bullet being of Soviet type production.

I do not believe the bullet was of Soviet type production.  It was home made, using a reloaded cartridge case.  The weapon itself was not of a type a serious assassin would use.  It was a drilled out replica or previously deactivated weapon, with a smooth bore.  It would have been hopelessly inaccurate save at point blank range.  This was not the work of a professional hitman.

Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 17, 2020, 05:27:PM
I do not believe the bullet was of Soviet type production.  It was home made, using a reloaded cartridge case.  The weapon itself was not of a type a serious assassin would use.  It was a drilled out replica or previously deactivated weapon, with a smooth bore.  It would have been hopelessly inaccurate save at point blank range.  This was not the work of a professional hitman.

According to Mansfield QCs book, the casing was “common” among Soviet block military. Major Mead spoke of this at the 2nd trial.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: ngb1066 on October 17, 2020, 05:43:PM
According to Mansfield QCs book, the casing was “common” among Soviet block military. Major Mead spoke of this at the 2nd trial.

That is the casing.  In other words a spent cartridge case was used - this could have come from anywhere. 

Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 17, 2020, 06:05:PM
That is the casing.  In other words a spent cartridge case was used - this could have come from anywhere.

"In support of this theory, Mr Mead said the cartridge case found on Ms Dando's doorstep had crimp marks on it of the type often found in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries.

The "crimping" around the top of the bullet casing was a technique also used by the Yugoslav military, Mr Mead added. He explained how the dents ensured the round was secured in the casing and did not fall out.

He told the jurors: 'This is most common in ammunition made by the Soviet Union, the Eastern Bloc and Yugoslavia because of the environment of the gun's use."
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: ngb1066 on October 17, 2020, 08:32:PM
"In support of this theory, Mr Mead said the cartridge case found on Ms Dando's doorstep had crimp marks on it of the type often found in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries.

The "crimping" around the top of the bullet casing was a technique also used by the Yugoslav military, Mr Mead added. He explained how the dents ensured the round was secured in the casing and did not fall out.

He told the jurors: 'This is most common in ammunition made by the Soviet Union, the Eastern Bloc and Yugoslavia because of the environment of the gun's use."


I suspect he is talking about the original crimping, i.e. from when the ammunition was originally made.  It is clear from the evidence that the original round had been fired and the empty case then reloaded some time later.

Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 17, 2020, 08:54:PM
George had quite a criminal history. He was also quite resourceful. So would have been able to find a second rate gun which would work from close range.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 17, 2020, 09:14:PM
George had quite a criminal history. He was also quite resourceful. So would have been able to find a second rate gun which would work from close range.
Yes I'd like to know exactly what the diagnoses were from doctors, educational and criminal psychologists. I think he fooled Michael Mansfield QC in the persona he portrayed to others.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 17, 2020, 09:40:PM
He created a fictional company, convinced a newspaper he was a karate champion & convinced a stadium to open so he could attempt a stunt.

He was very abusive towards women which would have escalated. Similar to Robert Napper, he pretended to be different people.

Once he realised Jill Dando lived near him, he probably convinced himself why he should shoot her.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 18, 2020, 12:03:AM
I suspect he is talking about the original crimping, i.e. from when the ammunition was originally made.  It is clear from the evidence that the original round had been fired and the empty case then reloaded some time later.

The guy in the composite looks Serbian.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article750600.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/E-fit%20issued%20by%20Scotland%20Yard)
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 09:38:AM
George was in the area at the time of the shooting. Attending a nearby day centre and taxi firm, looking agitated.

The police said him attending a taxi firm was an alibi attempt. Would like to know if he actually got a taxi or just wanted to be seen.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 09:46:AM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1331783.stm&ved=2ahUKEwjp8cmj373sAhVTURUIHTGzBQEQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw2D_CYR-YTmt1WyKI9r4hiG

George did get a taxi. Although he turned up there with no money.

Assume he got a taxi back home although he lived nearby. There are no reports of him being anywhere else.

George turned up at the taxi firm a day or two later. To ensure the worker remembered him & get written confirmation he was there on the day of the shooting.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 10:04:AM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jun/13/ukcrime1&ved=2ahUKEwjDzo6n473sAhWGRxUIHabTAG4QFjAMegQICRAJ&usg=AOvVaw3ffDAM-FwcRjqsXUgywUzu&ampcf=1

George did know how to get guns.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 10:30:AM
If he had access to guns over a long period, it would be tempting for him to use it on a woman. Which would be an escalation from his previous abuse.

He couldn't use it on someone he knew, as there would be a connection. He could use it on a stranger but probably had less motivation to do that.   

Jill Dando was someone he knew of & lived near him, but who he had no connection with. An attractive woman the likes of which he would never have any chance of being romantic with. A woman who helps catch criminals such as him.

If he was going to use a gun once on a woman, having the whole world talk about it, would have been too much of a temptation to resist.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 10:44:AM
Suspect George shot Dando. Then went home to put the gun away. Maybe to change as well.

Then went to the day centre, the park and then to the taxi office to try to get alibi's. All these places were near enough to walk to.

The man at the taxi office said he arrived at 1.15pm. Which is around 2 hours after the shooting. This makes sense as he had spent several minutes at the day centre.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 10:50:AM
I don't see how the gun shot residue would have ended up on George's jacket by contamination.

The police were not going to turn up at his property a year later with weapons. If his clothes were taken away for examination, doubtful they came within 50 yards of any weapons.

The gun shot residue is not that important unless it can be linked to the crime. It has already been established that George knew how to get guns.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 11:09:AM
George said himself he went to the day centre (probably straight from the killing). Then went home to change.

He then went to the park & then to the taxi office without any money.

He would not know when the body was going to be discovered, or whether a time of death could be determinrd. So was trying to give himself alibi's for different periods.

Would like to know where the park was. It couldn't have been more than a 15 minute walk away from his house, as he arrived at the taxi office only around 2 hours after doing everything else. So why ask for a taxi with no money?
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 11:24:AM
The taxi office was nearer to George's house than the day centre. If he walked back home from the day centre, why could he not walk past the cab office & continue walking home?

The cab office did contact the police & said someone was acting strangely with them on the day of the murder.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 11:55:AM
The day centre was a straight walk down one road from Dando's house. George knew of it & had been there before. The woman in the day centre said he seemed very agitated.

Nothing unusual in going home afterwards. But why change clothes?

Suspect then using the taxi office as another alibi was a spur of the moment decision. Otherwise he would have gone back out from home with some money.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 12:00:PM
Not surprised George was charged & convicted. Then failed an appeal.

However it was a high profile case & George would have top lawyers. Another appeal quickly happened which focused just on the spec of gun shot residue.

Not surprised his compensation appeal was rejected. Or that no one else has ever been charged.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: ngb1066 on October 18, 2020, 12:36:PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jun/13/ukcrime1&ved=2ahUKEwjDzo6n473sAhWGRxUIHabTAG4QFjAMegQICRAJ&usg=AOvVaw3ffDAM-FwcRjqsXUgywUzu&ampcf=1

George did know how to get guns.

I was not aware of this.  He certainly knew how to get replica guns or deactivated guns, and it is easy to convert one of these into something capable of firing a live round.  The evidence is certainly very incriminating, although I accept it is far from conclusive.



Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: ngb1066 on October 18, 2020, 12:37:PM
The guy in the composite looks Serbian.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article750600.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/E-fit%20issued%20by%20Scotland%20Yard)

It could be any European nationality.

Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 12:41:PM
The woman at the day centre said George arrived there 'shortly before lunch time'.

An arrival just before mid day would match him going straight there from the murder. The police saying the murder took place at 11.30am.

It may have been a spur of the moment murder. If George had a gun, he may have walked around SW6 with it in his pocket. Just as he walked around with a camera.

It's doubtful he camped outside Dando's house for hours as he would be seen. He may have walked down her road regulary on the off chance he would see her.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 12:54:PM
There is a slim chance George did not know who Dando was.

His appetite for abuse of women had escalated & he was now walking around his area looking for an opportunity with his gun.

Jill Dando being by her front door with her back to him within a quiet street was a good enough opportunity.

He was just going to fire one shot into her head from point blank range rather than spend a long time attacking her. So no one would see him.

His erratic behaviour afterwards would have been the same whether he knew he had killed Jill Dando, or whether he thought he had just killed a stanger.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 01:17:PM
Either possibility is plausble -

George knew who Jill Dando was and where she lived. She had been his target.

George did not know who Jill Dando was. But was in the area with a gun in his pocket. Either looking for a victim or he had a good unexpected opportunity & couldn't hold back his urges any longer. .

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The reason either is possible is because George lived very near Jill Dando.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 01:42:PM
George used to walk around Fulham with a camera. Taking hundreds of pictures of women.

If he also had a gun in his pocket, frustration would have built up that he couldn't use it. Not even once 

The 3 possible scenarios are -

George knew who Jill Dando was & where she lived. She was a long term target who he hoped would see one day outside her house.

George planned to shoot a woman that day & was looking for an opportunity.

George did not plan to shoot anyone, but as usual left home with his camera and gun. An opportunity arose which he could not resist.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 04:23:PM
'The gun was found at George's home in Fulham, London, after his arrest in 2000, the jury was told. The gun was of a type which, if converted, could have been used to kill Dando, the prosecution said. George, who denies murder, claimed to police that the gun in the picture was a replica, although he said it was capable of firing blanks.'

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So he did have a gun at his house. Maybe the murder weapon.

I do not see how the item of gun shot residue in his jacket is relevant. To either side. George could simply say, yes I have fired guns before. In the park, aiming at trees.

Whether the gun in the picture was just used for firing blanks is neither here or there.  What is more important is the gun in his property.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 04:49:PM
Thinking again, it is probably best to say he had never fired a gun before. So couldn't have killed Jill Dando. Although there was a gun in his flat & in the picture.

The defence can then focus on contamination.

If he admitted to firing guns in parks, the prosecution can say that escalated.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 18, 2020, 07:41:PM
George used to walk around Fulham with a camera. Taking hundreds of pictures of women.

If he also had a gun in his pocket, frustration would have built up that he couldn't use it. Not even once 

The 3 possible scenarios are -

George knew who Jill Dando was & where she lived. She was a long term target who he hoped would see one day outside her house.

George planned to shoot a woman that day & was looking for an opportunity.

George did not plan to shoot anyone, but as usual left home with his camera and gun. An opportunity arose which he could not resist.
I think this is the likeliest possibility. Again the woman who discovered the body seemed to dismiss George as an oddball and not perceive any threat. But he had already raped a languages student and had a conviction for indecent assault. I reject the Defence argument at the retrial that he would not have been capable of executing the murder. I wonder how the members of the jury who acquitted him felt when they read the story: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/barry-george-raped-me-by-my-mums-door-then-said-sorry-6890558.html
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 08:49:PM
I think this is the likeliest possibility. Again the woman who discovered the body seemed to dismiss George as an oddball and not perceive any threat. But he had already raped a languages student and had a conviction for indecent assault. I reject the Defence argument at the retrial that he would not have been capable of executing the murder. I wonder how the members of the jury who acquitted him felt when they read the story: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/barry-george-raped-me-by-my-mums-door-then-said-sorry-6890558.html

It was an espesically cowardly way of committing a murder. Shooting a woman in the head from behind. At point blank range. Even with George's problems, he would have been able to execute it.

It seems he had the weapon to execute it as well.

Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 09:17:PM
I think this is the likeliest possibility. Again the woman who discovered the body seemed to dismiss George as an oddball and not perceive any threat. But he had already raped a languages student and had a conviction for indecent assault. I reject the Defence argument at the retrial that he would not have been capable of executing the murder. I wonder how the members of the jury who acquitted him felt when they read the story: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/barry-george-raped-me-by-my-mums-door-then-said-sorry-6890558.html

The disadvantage of George killing Jill Dando was the publicity and police investigation would be huge. Police would be swarming the area & have local suspects, one of which may be him. This would curtail any urges he may have to kill again.

For a first killing, he may want it to be quick and low key. It was certainly quick.

If he continued killing people and got more confident, they may have become more violent. As in the case of Napper.

Then again, he did have a fixation with celebrity. The chance of killing someone famous may have been too much to resist.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 09:44:PM
Jill Dando was not living at the house she was killed at. It was up for sale.

She was living with her finacee & had returned to the property to collect some clothes.

So any would be killer could not rely on a routine of Jill Dando. Such as her getting home from work at 8pm every night.

CCTV also confirms she was not followed when driving to her property.

So a good chance it was a random killing by George. Or that he knew Dando lived there but never expected to see her. When he did see her, he knew it was now or never.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 18, 2020, 09:53:PM
His past history suggests he craved notoriety, which might have passed as eccentricity had it not descended into criminality. The act of saying "sorry" to rape victim Karen Gray implies he was fully aware what he did was wrong and that he had a problem. My only surprise is that he has not continued to reoffend upon release.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 10:01:PM
His past history suggests he craved notoriety, which might have passed as eccentricity had it not descended into criminality. The act of saying "sorry" to rape victim Karen Gray implies he was fully aware what he did was wrong and that he had a problem. My only surprise is that he has not continued to reoffend upon release.

Killing Jill Dando would not give him notoriety. As he was hopeing to not get arrested for it. However it would give his action notoriety.

He would also believe he was putting one over on the police, who had previously successfully charged him for other crimes.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 18, 2020, 10:10:PM
Killing Jill Dando would not give him notoriety. As he was hopeing to not get arrested for it. However it would give his action notoriety.

He would also believe he was putting one over on the police, who had previously successfully charged him for other crimes.
Yes and I think after he was put in jail following a female's testimony against him he had moved to thinking he would not leave a witness to tell any tale.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 18, 2020, 10:29:PM
Jill Dando's brother is virtually accusing Barry George.

https://youtu.be/keF2Hu6mkEQ
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 19, 2020, 08:28:AM
The gun shot residue was found in a knee lenght dark jacket owned by George. Witnesses said they saw a man in a knee lenght dark jacket in the area.

The GSR had the same elements of residue contained on the cartridge case and Jill Dando's head hair.

Some of George's photo's were taken on Gowen Avenue. Although none were of Jill Dando. He also had the names & addresses of women in the area.

Business cards of firearms dealers were found in his flat.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 19, 2020, 08:34:AM
The COA eventually ruled the GSR as inadmissable. The reason being that it could have come from a policemans rifle in everyday life. Such as at a Tube Station. Which is a new one on me.

Don't see why it should be inadmissable. Let the prosecution mention it & the defence come up with their alternative theory.

A retrial just based on circumstantial evidence was always going to be tough.

Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 19, 2020, 08:51:AM
Jill Dando's sister is sceptical about it being George. But gives weak reasons -

People didn't notice he was walking around with a gun.

How did he know how to do it?

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The answers to these -

The gun was in his pocket.

He pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2020, 06:23:PM
There is a good write up on the Barry George conviction here.

https://h2g2.com/entry/A2256789 (https://h2g2.com/entry/A2256789)
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 20, 2020, 09:22:AM
Didn't know he also went to the day centre two days later to try to get an alibi.

If he was not aware he had shot Jill Dando, he would soon become aware & realise the police operation would be huge. So visted the taxi office & day centre.
Title: Re: barry george threatned.
Post by: Adam on October 20, 2020, 09:37:AM
The retrial would be hard with just circumstantial evidence. Unless it was CCTV or several eye witness identifications. The reason the Bamber conviction has stood is because there is both circumstantial & forensic evidence. Together with a long term witness.

George was in the area & acting strangely on the day & afterwards. The defence would say he lived in the area & had mental health issues.

The jury would not be aware of his criminal history. They would be aware of him taking photos of women, knowing people's names and addresses & having access to guns. Again the defence would say that does not make him the killer. 

George giving conflicting versions of his movements in police interviews will be put down to his mental health issues.