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Title: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 09:16:AM
There has been much speculation regarding whether or not Sheila Caffell, and not Jeremy Bamber had carried out the shootings, including a lack of lead deposit obtained from handswabs that were taken from from her body at the commencement of her autopsy on the 7th August 1985...

A low level amount of lead found on the handswabs ( DRB/44, or DRB/33 ), Sheila's unique blood found inside a silencer that was recovered from inside a box in the downstairs office, a lack of blood on her hands and feet, and poor hand to eye, and vice versa, have all been considered a yardstick for establishing the Sheila could have and did not load the additional rounds into the gun which were needed to enable the shooter to complete the massacre of the other four victims...

But now, fresh evidence is emerging to challenge these findings in the form of bloodstained straition marks on parts of Sheila Caffell's right forearm and right wrist, which is capable of turning the case upside down and inside out. Breathtaking research conducted by myself reveals the true meaning and purpose of these bloodstained markings randomly made on a vital part of Sheila Caffell's anatomy (the lower part of her right arm and her right wrist), thus expelling any notion that she couldn't have, and had not fired the gun herself!

The astonishing truth, however, is that not only could she have fired that rifle, but that she had done, and did!

Let's start with the following quite remarkable images depicting the sort of evidence that I am alluding to...

Here they are..
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 09:56:AM
These highly irregular unique bloodstained marks which no-one has been able to satisfactorily explain away were caused because when Sheila needed to load additional ammunition into the gun in order to kill off the other four victims, she had the blood of one or more of the victims on her fingers. When she picked up the necessary additional bullets the blood of a victim, or two became transferred directly onto parts of the individual live rounds that she was handling in that process, so that blood ended up on the brass part of the bullets that she was putting into the gun..

The thing to remember is that because it is known that between 24 and 27 bullets, or part bullets were fired in the investigation into these five deaths, (Neville's, June's, Daniels, Nicholas, and Sheila), Sheila need to have handled a minimum of 14 additional live rounds, and place these at one time or another into the ammunition magazine of the anshuzt rifle! These 14 or more additional rounds would throughout the course of the shootings have to have been fired in the rifle, and the spent brass cartridge casing ejected via the ejection port on the right hand side of the gun..

The presence of these rather unusual bloodstained straition marking found upon parts of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm, and to a certain extent in the region of her right wrist, were not found on the lower parts of any of the other two adult victims, with the exception of a series of gouge markings that were present upon Neville Bambers right forearm which according to Venezis were caused by the muzzle end of the rifles barrel being thrust or prodded by 'a silencerless rifle barrel'...

The unique bloodstained straition markings that were found on Sheila Caffell's !ower right arm and her right hand wrist, were caused by the fact that she was left handed, firing a right handed .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle. Where the fingers of her left hand operated the trigger mechanism of the weapon, and her extended right arm and her right hand was being used to shore up the rifles barrel when she directed shots at one or more of the other four victims! Ordinarily, had a right handed shooter been firing that rifle during the tragedy, any brass that was being ejected via the ejection port which corresponded with the firing of each shot would eject on the right hand side of the gun, effectively forward and away from the shooters body in a right handed trajectory, which dispersed the bloodstained brass cartridge cases to their Individual fate!

However, because Sheila Caffell was left handed, and because she used her hands differently when holding or firing the rifle, as she almost certainly had done, then these bloodstained brass cartridge cases would strike parts of her extended lower right arm, and the wrist of her right hand by virtue of the fact that her lower right arm and her right wrist were in the pathway that the ejecting and bloodstained brass cartridge cases were being expelled from the rifle whenever she fired one or more shots using the gun!

These highly visible bloodstained marks confirm that Sheila must have fired several bloodstained rounds using the anshuzt rifle after she had reloaded the gun with additional bullets!

Some of the visible bloodstained marking that are present upon the lower part of her right arm, appear to match the size, shape and general characferistics of discarded cartridge casings as 'they struck that part of her right arm' whenever she fired the gun!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 10:29:AM
The reason there were only low amounts of lead deposit found on the handswabs taken from Sheila Caffell's hands during autopsy, was because blood that was present upon the fingers that she used to reload the gun with additional ammunition were masked by the blood which was present there from one or more of the victims. As if to drive home the significance of what I am saying, remember please the three key areas where bloodied fingermarks and a partial bloodied hand print were captured in crime scene photographs which the prosecution did not want anyone to know about during the 1986 trial, for example, (a) bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right hand side of Sheila Caffell's nightdress, (b) a partial bloody handprint on the pages of the Bible, and (c) bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop!!!

Stop, for one moment, and consider the following proposition - that after Sheila had loaded additional bullets into the rifle and fired them off, that she had simply or either deliberately or as the case may be, unintentionally, wiped the bloodstained fingers of her hands, onto her own nightdress at (a), on the page of the Bible at (b), and on the edge of the kitchen worktop at (c)...

Moreover, in order for Sheila to have been the cause of these three key bloodstained finger / hand impressions, these individually and collectively must surely place Sheila at key locations inside the farmhouse whilst the tragedy was unfolding, for example(c) in the kitchen downstairs at that part of the worktop where the source of additional bullets were subsequently found, and (b) on the page of the Bible that was photographed upstairs on the main bedroom floor next to Sheila's body! Rather more telling, was the bloodied fingermark impression found upon the front lower part of the right-hand side of her nightdress at (a), since we are led to believe by the evidence and testimony of Ron Cook, that those unique bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of Sheila Caffell's nightdress were already present there upon her nightdress prior to Ron Cook moving Sheila's right hand and arm on the rifle, so that PC Bird could capture the bloodied fingermark impressions insitu upon Sheila's nightdress, bloodstained fingermark impressions I might had which were being concealed from immediate view by the bloodstained fingers, right hand and her right wrist!

Well, you might think that the location and presence of all these bloodstained markings or impressions is conclusive evidence that show Caffell had loaded additional live rounds into the gun to enable her to shoot and kill the other four victims off! You might also come to the inevitable conclusion that Sheila did fire the rifle on several different occasions by a reliance upon the presence of bloodstained straition and impact marks from ejecting and spent bloodstained brass cartridge cases found upon the lower part of her right arm and wrist, and you may also come to a satisfactory conclusion in that after she had been responsible for committing the horrors described, that Sheila had either washed her hands, or more than likely that she had wiped off the blood from the fingers of her hands, using the lower part of her nightdress, the edge of the kitchen worktop or the page of the Bible to enable her to clean her hands of any incriminating bloodstain evidence!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 10:44:AM
Sheila was a left handed shooter, firing a right handed .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle, which led to bloodstained straition and impact marks that were caused by ejecting cartridge cases from the ejection port on the right hand side of the gun, which inevitably struck the extending lower right arm / wrist whilst being expelled from the gun!

These characteristics are unique to Sheila Caffell - it puts Sheila in control of the gun at a time when not only was it reloaded with additional bullets that were needed to kill everyone off, but that she must have and did fire the gun, not once, not twice, or even three times, the facts are that she was in control of the loaded gun and that she fired the gun several times. It must follow, logically that all of the bullets which Sheila had fired all struck a victim, which either maimed or killed them off!

Jeremy Bamber will be exonerated because of my findings, there can be little doubt at that fact!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 10:46:AM
It should be possible to easily reconstruct the phenomena that I am advocating, with little or no harm at all coming to the testee...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 02, 2018, 11:45:AM
Sheila was a left handed shooter, firing a right handed .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle, which led to bloodstained straition and impact marks that were caused by ejecting cartridge cases from the ejection port on the right hand side of the gun, which inevitably struck the extending lower right arm / wrist whilst being expelled from the gun!

These characteristics are unique to Sheila Caffell - it puts Sheila in control of the gun at a time when not only was it reloaded with additional bullets that were needed to kill everyone off, but that she must have and did fire the gun, not once, not twice, or even three times, the facts are that she was in control of the loaded gun and that she fired the gun several times. It must follow, logically that all of the bullets which Sheila had fired all struck a victim, which either maimed or killed them off!

Jeremy Bamber will be exonerated because of my findings, there can be little doubt at that fact!

Sheila was right handed.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 01:18:PM
Sheila was right handed.

She was left handed and held the rifle using the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism a fact confirmed by the bloodstained straition marks caused on the lower part of her right arm when bloodstained rounds she had loaded into the gun were fired and the ejected bloodstained brass cartridge cases struck that part of her right arm and wrist she was using to hold and point the barrel of the gun - there were even marks with the same characteristics as the dimension of an ejected cartridge case imprinted on parts of her arm! She was the only victim with these marks on her arms, indicating that she fired the gun!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 01:21:PM
She was left handed and held the rifle using the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism a fact confirmed by the bloodstained straition marks caused on the lower part of her right arm when bloodstained rounds she had loaded into the gun were fired and the ejected bloodstained brass cartridge cases struck that part of her right arm and wrist she was using to hold and point the barrel of the gun - there were even marks with the same characteristics as the dimension of an ejected cartridge case imprinted on parts of her arm! She was the only victim with these marks on her arms, indicating that she fired the gun!

It is irrelevant that the lead deposit levels found on the handswabs from Sheila were low, because at the time she loaded the additional rounds into the gun her fingers were bloodstained, which she subsequently cleaned or wiped away, as evidenced by the photographs of bloodied fingermarks and parts of her hand on her nightdress, the Bible and the edge of the kitchen worktop!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 01:52:PM
I am extremely confident that it will be possible to confirm that Sheila was holding the rifle left handed when she was firing shots off from the right handed .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle...

You can even see the angle at which the spent and bloodstained brass cartridgea were travelling away from the ejection port of the rifle, whilst Sheila propped up the barrel of the rifle using her outstretched right arm! For example, with Sheila poised and firing shots the inside of her lower right arm and her right wrist would be somewhat twisted exposing the very same areas which took the brunt of the ejected and bloodstained brass cartridge cases - Sheila Caffell fired the anshuzt rifle, and based on the total number of shots fired, bullets recovered, spent cartridge cases recovered at the scene, the shots she fired either wounded and or killed one and then all of the victims in turn!

Anyone can carry out a very basic test using a broom handle by holding it as though it was a right handed semi-automatic anshuzt rifle with the fingers of the right hand upon it against the imaginary trigger mechanism and the left arm outstretched towards the end of the guns barrel and of course safe in the knowledge that once you fire the imaginary gun, the spent cartridge case will be extracted and ejected from the ejection port on the right hand side of the gun, effectively in a trajectory taking the propelled brass casing away from you the shooter!

Practice this imaginary test using a broom handle or a mop, and know that the imaginary brass cartridge case may take a 45° to a 90° trajectory forward of the ejection port, and that the ejecting cartridge cases offer spiral out of control upon being propelled out of the gun..

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom and boom - non of the correspi ding ejecting spent cartridge cases will strike any part of your body, because you are holding the imaginary right handed rifle using the fingers of your right hand on the trigger mechanism, with your outstretched left Armand your left hand to support the barrel of the gun!

Now, try the same exercise, but this time away hands and use the fingers of your left hand on the trigger mechanism, with your outstretched right arm and your right hand supporting the barrel of the imaginary rifle...

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom and boom - on this occasion each of the extracted and ejecting cartridge cases will almost certainly strike some part or other of your outstretched lower right arm, and even your wrist, and if these cartridge cases had got blood on them, there would be a very strong chance that bloodstained straition marks caused by the cartridge cases coming I to contact with your body, this is because your outstretched right arm is infringing on the space normally required in order for the cartridge casing to escape unhindered from the ejection port of the gun...

That is precisely what happened during the shootings at whf..

Sheila used the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism, and the lower part of her outstretched right arm, and wrist to support and direct the barrel at the time of each shooting!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 03:05:PM
I am extremely confident that it will be possible to confirm that Sheila was holding the rifle left handed when she was firing shots off from the right handed .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle...

You can even see the angle at which the spent and bloodstained brass cartridgea were travelling away from the ejection port of the rifle, whilst Sheila propped up the barrel of the rifle using her outstretched right arm! For example, with Sheila poised and firing shots the inside of her lower right arm and her right wrist would be somewhat twisted exposing the very same areas which took the brunt of the ejected and bloodstained brass cartridge cases - Sheila Caffell fired the anshuzt rifle, and based on the total number of shots fired, bullets recovered, spent cartridge cases recovered at the scene, the shots she fired either wounded and or killed one and then all of the victims in turn!

Anyone can carry out a very basic test using a broom handle by holding it as though it was a right handed semi-automatic anshuzt rifle with the fingers of the right hand upon it against the imaginary trigger mechanism and the left arm outstretched towards the end of the guns barrel and of course safe in the knowledge that once you fire the imaginary gun, the spent cartridge case will be extracted and ejected from the ejection port on the right hand side of the gun, effectively in a trajectory taking the propelled brass casing away from you the shooter!

Practice this imaginary test using a broom handle or a mop, and know that the imaginary brass cartridge case may take a 45° to a 90° trajectory forward of the ejection port, and that the ejecting cartridge cases offer spiral out of control upon being propelled out of the gun..

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom and boom - non of the correspi ding ejecting spent cartridge cases will strike any part of your body, because you are holding the imaginary right handed rifle using the fingers of your right hand on the trigger mechanism, with your outstretched left Armand your left hand to support the barrel of the gun!

Now, try the same exercise, but this time away hands and use the fingers of your left hand on the trigger mechanism, with your outstretched right arm and your right hand supporting the barrel of the imaginary rifle...

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom and boom - on this occasion each of the extracted and ejecting cartridge cases will almost certainly strike some part or other of your outstretched lower right arm, and even your wrist, and if these cartridge cases had got blood on them, there would be a very strong chance that bloodstained straition marks caused by the cartridge cases coming I to contact with your body, this is because your outstretched right arm is infringing on the space normally required in order for the cartridge casing to escape unhindered from the ejection port of the gun...

That is precisely what happened during the shootings at whf..

Sheila used the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism, and the lower part of her outstretched right arm, and wrist to support and direct the barrel at the time of each shooting!

I know with 100% certainty that this was how the blood straition marks from the ejected and bloodstained spent cartridge cases struck the lower part of her outstretched right arm and her right wrist!

Once the ballistics experts get a whiff of this I expect Jeremy Bamber to be home and dry, at least once the experts conduct their own scientific tests to confirm what happened in Sheila Caffell's case!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 03:11:PM
It is also very worrying indeed that non of these photographs which show the bloodstained straition markings made by the ejected bullet cases were disclosed to the defence pre-trial! These images did not come to light until after the 2002 appeal hearing. I think it was in either 2003 or 2004 when I first saw them at Ewen Smith's office in Birmingham. Not surprisingly Essex police and the local CPS wanted to keep this very powerful piece of evidence under wraps because they knew there was no other explanation that they could come up with to account for the presence of these marks in such a strategic position on Sheila Caffell's body!

Sheila did fire the rifle, and the bloodstained straition marks which adorn the lower part of her right arm and right wrist is proof of this!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 03:40:PM
I feel it also worth mentioning that not all right handed people hold a rifle with the fingers of their right hand on the trigger mechanism, and their outstretched lower left arm and left hand supporting the end of the guns barrel when firing the gun. Similarly, not all left handed shooters always use the fingers of their left hand on the trigger, and their outstretched lower right hand supporting the barrel, for example some right handed people use the fingers of their left hand on the trigger mechanism, and their outstretched right hand supporting the barrel of the gun, in the same way that some left handed shooters use the fingers of their right hand on the trigger, and their outstretched left hand supporting the barrel...

The only way of knowing is to physically observe some people, who do things back to front, and vice versa...

I learned this lesson many years ago when I was in custody observing left handed and right handed musicians playing the guitar...

Sheila was one of these throwbacks, she held the anshuzt rifle awkwardly, with the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism, and used her outstretched right arm to support and to direct aim at the victims she shot at - you can tell this by a visible presence of the bloodstained straition markings all over the lower part of her right arm, and right wrist! These markings are a dead giveaway, to the trained eye...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 03:49:PM
Please consider the following - with the fingers of Sheila Caffell's left hand at the trigger mechanism, and her outstretched right arm and her right hand towards the end of the rifles barrel, you get the following view (I am using my walking aid stick to try to make the point stick in your minds!

Note the general angle in which the bloodstained straition marking from the ejected bloodstained spent cartridge cases is consistent with the position of the ejection port of the anshuzt rifle being held likewise by Sheila Caffell at the time she fired shots at the victims (position of Sheila's right arm has been rotated so that the top part of it goes toward her right wrist and her hand)!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 02, 2018, 05:12:PM
She was left handed and held the rifle using the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism a fact confirmed by the bloodstained straition marks caused on the lower part of her right arm when bloodstained rounds she had loaded into the gun were fired and the ejected bloodstained brass cartridge cases struck that part of her right arm and wrist she was using to hold and point the barrel of the gun - there were even marks with the same characteristics as the dimension of an ejected cartridge case imprinted on parts of her arm! She was the only victim with these marks on her arms, indicating that she fired the gun!

She was right handed. You have even stated this in the past yourself

Hand Swab DRH/33 - was from left hand of Sheila Caffell, not her right hand...

Because Sheila was right handed, she would have picked up bullets an loaded them into the gun with that right hand, not with her left hand. Originally, the left hand swab taken at the scene on 7th August 1985, was given the exhibit reference DRH/33, and her right hand swab was given DRH/34, and the control swab was given DRH/35 and the head swab DRH/36...

These were joined up together under lab' reference 17 and all made into exhibit reference DRH/33 once they were rejected at the lab' on 9th August 1985...

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Her right had was found (conveniently) next to the trigger!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 06:11:PM
She was right handed. You have even stated this in the past yourself

I have stated many things in the past that I said with a view of trying to stimulate debate, or until I found out the truth at a later time! That is why I formed the forum for people to debate things! There has been occasions in the past when what I said might not have been strictly true, in the same way that the prosecution, the police, barristers and solicitors, and dare I say it ordinary witnesses sometimes say things with a view to getting a reaction or a response! What actually matters here and now, is not whether Sheila Caffell was right handed, or left handed, what counts was how she handled the rifle when she loaded the additional bullets into the gun, and which of her two hands was used by way of the trigger mechanism, and which other hand was extended out to support the barrel of the rifle at the point in time when she was firing live bullets at the victims?

The bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of her right arm, and her right wrist are consistent with her having loaded bloodstained live additional rounds into the gun, and that thereafter wards she fired the gun and she discharged the ammunition! A consequence of discharging that bloodstained ammunition was that the ejecting cartridge cases were flung towards Sheila's outstretched lower right arm and her right wrist! The presence of these unique markings in blood on that part of her anatomy being the compelling evidence that Sheila had fired the gun whilst holding it in a Katie cornered sort of fashion - where the lower part of her right arm and her right wrist became a unique obstruction to the repelled and bloodstained spent cartridge cases!

Sheila fired the gun, and what is 100% certain is that at the time she was firing the gun with live bullets at two generations of her own extended family she fired the gun with the fingers of her left hand, and supported the barrel of the gun with her outstretched right arm!

If she had'nt loaded bloodstained live rounds into the gun, and she had'nt fired the gun, then we would not be here now trying to discuss the cause of the aforementioned bloodstained straition marks on her lower right arm and her right wrist!


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Her right had was found (conveniently) next to the trigger! yes, it's true, the cops staged Sheila Caffell's death scene on her parents bedroom floor as a suicide, whilst conducting 'informatives'. At this time the cops placed the gun on Sheila's body and arranged her right hand close to the trigger mechanism. But what they didn't know at the time the cops staged Sheila's death scene there on the parents bedroom floor was that Sheila always fired guns using the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism, and used her extended lower right arm to take the weight of the guns barrel and take aim whilst firing! Rather more astonishingly, the senior officers were far too clever for their own good when they decided to reschedule the accident involving the loaded rifle which had been brought to Sheila's body once her body had been moved from on top of the parents bed, onto the bedroom floor! A shooting accident, involving a loaded rifle that was brought from the box room window to the main bedroom, and placed with Sheila's body as part of these informatives, since by that stage Sheila had only been shot once, which as you know related to her supposed suicide downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am to 7.45am). Little did they know that by them trying to cover up the circumstances of Sheila's earlier suicide attempt in the kitchen, and the fact that she was actually killed off as a result of a bizarre shooting accident by the cops themselves, upstairs on the main bedroom floor, was the uniqueness of these bloodstained straition marks photographed on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm and in the region of her right hand wrist!

It was all well and good the cops joining the relatives in the task of prosecuting Jeremy Bamber as the killer, just because the relatives knew dark secrets concerning what had actually taken place at the scene, when Sheila had been killed off as a result of a police shooting accident as part of a training exercise, dubbed 'informatives'...

Hence, why the cops went to great lengths to try and keep a lid on the photographic evidence which confirms that Sheila Caffell had been the shooter afterall! That's why they tampered with the photographic records and created a false 'MASTER COPY ALBUM' Containing only 223 of the 581 photographs and a crime scene video taken by dC Henderson and dC Oakey...

But they had better get ready now, because the prevebrial shit has just started to hit the fan....


OOPS....

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 06:30:PM
If you look closely enough at the areas on Sheila Caffell's lower right arm, you can just make out the small areas of bruising which were caused by the ejecting spent cartridge cases from the original loading of the anshuzt rifle with live bullets! This is in stark contrast to the bloodstained straition marks that were also caused by bloodstained cartridge cases  striking that part of her arm, from the additional bullets she needed to have loaded into the gun in order for her to carry out the shootings!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 02, 2018, 06:43:PM
She was right handed. You have even stated this in the past yourself

I have stated many things in the past that I said with a view of trying to stimulate debate, or until I found out the truth at a later time! That is why I formed the forum for people to debate things! There has been occasions in the past when what I said might not have been strictly true, in the same way that the prosecution, the police, barristers and solicitors, and dare I say it ordinary witnesses sometimes say things with a view to getting a reaction or a response! What actually matters here and now, is not whether Sheila Caffell was right handed, or left handed, what counts was how she handled the rifle when she loaded the additional bullets into the gun, and which of her two hands was used by way of the trigger mechanism, and which other hand was extended out to support the barrel of the rifle at the point in time when she was firing live bullets at the victims?

The bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of her right arm, and her right wrist are consistent with her having loaded bloodstained live additional rounds into the gun, and that thereafter wards she fired the gun and she discharged the ammunition! A consequence of discharging that bloodstained ammunition was that the ejecting cartridge cases were flung towards Sheila's outstretched lower right arm and her right wrist! The presence of these unique markings in blood on that part of her anatomy being the compelling evidence that Sheila had fired the gun whilst holding it in a Katie cornered sort of fashion - where the lower part of her right arm and her right wrist became a unique obstruction to the repelled and bloodstained spent cartridge cases!

Sheila fired the gun, and what is 100% certain is that at the time she was firing the gun with live bullets at two generations of her own extended family she fired the gun with the fingers of her left hand, and supported the barrel of the gun with her outstretched right arm!

If she had'nt loaded bloodstained live rounds into the gun, and she had'nt fired the gun, then we would not be here now trying to discuss the cause of the aforementioned bloodstained straition marks on her lower right arm and her right wrist!

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Her right had was found (conveniently) next to the trigger! yes, it's true, the cops staged Sheila Caffell's death scene on her parents bedroom floor as a suicide, whilst conducting 'informatives'. At this time the cops placed the gun on Sheila's body and arranged her right hand close to the trigger mechanism. But what they didn't know at the time the cops staged Sheila's death scene there on the parents bedroom floor was that Sheila always fired guns using the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism, and used her extended lower right arm to take the weight of the guns barrel and take aim whilst firing! Rather more astonishingly, the senior officers were far too clever for their own good when they decided to reschedule the accident involving the loaded rifle which had been brought to Sheila's body once her body had been moved from on top of the parents bed, onto the bedroom floor! A shooting accident, involving a loaded rifle that was brought from the box room window to the main bedroom, and placed with Sheila's body as part of these informatives, since by that stage Sheila had only been shot once, which as you know related to her supposed suicide downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am to 7.45am). Little did they know that by them trying to cover up the circumstances of Sheila's earlier suicide attempt in the kitchen, and the fact that she was actually killed off as a result of a bizarre shooting accident by the cops themselves, upstairs on the main bedroom floor, was the uniqueness of these bloodstained straition marks photographed on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm and in the region of her right hand wrist!

It was all well and good the cops joining the relatives in the task of prosecuting Jeremy Bamber as the killer, just because the relatives knew dark secrets concerning what had actually taken place at the scene, when Sheila had been killed off as a result of a police shooting accident as part of a training exercise, dubbed 'informatives'...

Hence, why the cops went to great lengths to try and keep a lid on the photographic evidence which confirms that Sheila Caffell had been the shooter afterall! That's why they tampered with the photographic records and created a false 'MASTER COPY ALBUM' Containing only 223 of the 581 photographs and a crime scene video taken by dC Henderson and dC Oakey...

But they had better get ready now, because the prevebrial shit has just started to hit the fan....


OOPS....

Yes, you have said this before - but chopping and changing isn't debate - it just moving goal posts. I thought the purpose of the forum was to sort out the wheat from the chaff and determine fact from myth, not create and promote it?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 10:21:PM
Yes, you have said this before - but chopping and changing isn't debate - it just moving goal posts. I thought the purpose of the forum was to sort out the wheat from the chaff and determine fact from myth, not create and promote it?

It's not healthy for anyone who is not prepared to change their mind about anything!

Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to change their minds about anything and everything!

Furthermore, almost everything is open to interpretation...

Did you know for example that Jeremy accused the firearms officers at the scene of shooting dead all of his family on the morning of the shootings, which casts something of a shadow on the police claim that they were influenced by the mindset they fell foul of, conditioned by Jeremy to make them think that what they were dealing with four murders and a suicide?

How do the police and it's supporters work that out when within minutes of the news being told to Jeremy he complained to PS Saxby that the firearms officers had gone into the farmhouse and shot everyone dead?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 10:25:PM
It's not healthy for anyone who is not prepared to change their mind about anything!

Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to change their minds about anything and everything!

Furthermore, almost everything is open to interpretation...

Did you know for example that Jeremy accused the firearms officers at the scene of shooting dead all of his family on the morning of the shootings, which casts something of a shadow on the police claim that they were influenced by the mindset they fell foul of, conditioned by Jeremy to make them think that what they were dealing with four murders and a suicide?

How do the police and it's supporters work that out when within minutes of the news being told to Jeremy he complained to PS Saxby that the firearms officers had gone into the farmhouse and shot everyone dead?

Such a serious complaint made by Jeremy within about 40 minutes of the firearm officers entering the farmhouse, which never got recorded properly, or investigated by the police themselves!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2018, 11:10:PM
Such a serious complaint made by Jeremy within about 40 minutes of the firearm officers entering the farmhouse, which never got recorded properly, or investigated by the police themselves!

When if the truth be known, the cops did shoot Bambers sister on two separate occasions after they entered the farmhouse,initially they shot her at around 7.35am when her body was being talked of in terms of her death having been by way of suicide ( occuring at about 7.35am, with a shout going out to all concerned that Sheila had been found and had died as a result of suicide, by 7.45am, at the very latest). The cops also shot Sheila a second time at 9.13am, in a rather bizarre shooting accident being practiced as part of a training operation dubbed 'informatives'. Involved in this practice were senior police officers Harris, Gibbons and Wright, firearm officers Montgomery and woodcock, and DHQ SOCO's DC Henderson and DC Oakey. Henderson and Oakey took hundreds of photographs of which some show the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell', collapsed on top of the bed in the parents bedroom, confirming that which Dr Craig, Stan Jones and Mick Clark all observed between around 8.44am and just after 9.05am (albeit, Craig refers only to the body of Sheila Caffell being 'on the far side of the bed' when he pronounced her dead)...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 12:10:AM
It's not healthy for anyone who is not prepared to change their mind about anything!

Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to change their minds about anything and everything!


Furthermore, almost everything is open to interpretation...

Did you know for example that Jeremy accused the firearms officers at the scene of shooting dead all of his family on the morning of the shootings, which casts something of a shadow on the police claim that they were influenced by the mindset they fell foul of, conditioned by Jeremy to make them think that what they were dealing with four murders and a suicide?

How do the police and it's supporters work that out when within minutes of the news being told to Jeremy he complained to PS Saxby that the firearms officers had gone into the farmhouse and shot everyone dead?

I wholeheartedly agree - I changed my mind about Jeremy bing innocent. Nothing wrong with changing you mind, nothing wrong at all.

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 09:39:AM
If I was a guilter I'd be questioning right now the reason why EP are withholding documents which not only have had court orders requesting them but also some members of the general public------and have received no response nor reasoning in return. Those of us with suspicious minds can't help but wonder what it is that's stopping 33 year old information from coming to light as afterall depending what your thoughts on the subject are could/should have been dealt with/used during the trial thus avoiding the need for a layout of £25,000 which had been payment used in which to boost the prosecution. ?


The way I see it is that it's not usual nor standard practice to both withhold and " compensate " ?

It's also not standard to withhold that which can assist the defence which is why I don't personally agree with EP's tactics. Answers are needed to promote fairness and transparency in the justice system.

 
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 09:43:AM
The prosecution's case as presented during the trial, and since was a dishonest one, with its witnesses deliberately concealing real evidence from everybody involved in the judicial processes (including the 2002 appeal hearing)! This is because Sheila Caffell's body was not spotlessly clean, and most of the prosecution witnesses who testified who were present at the scene inside the farmhouse throughout the first morning and until the early afternoon, knew that the bodies of the three adult victims had been moved around under the authority of senior officers in a training exercise dubbed 'informatives'. Moreover, the relatives who also testified, in particular Ann Eaton, knew within two hours of the facts being known, that the bodies of Sheila Caffell and June Bamber had not always been present upon the bedroom floor either side of the bed, because whilst at Jeremy's cottage, Stan Jones and Mick Clark recounted to her, and the others present, that the bodies of Sheila and June had been laid on the bed side by side one another and that a rifle which had been used to shoot everybody was resting on the bed in-between both bodies, and that there was a Bible on top of Sheila's chest...

How can the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell' have been found on the bedroom floor either side of the bed when found by the firearm officers when they entered the farmhouse at just after 7.30am, where they remained untouched until PC Bird (2nd team of SOCO) photographed their bodies there under the claim that no-one had interfered with their bodies, which were not supposedly moved until after PC Bird had finished taking all of his photographs? He did not start taking photographs until around 11.15am, and so the contents of the previously unknown about timed police radio message log contents are a clear contradiction of that, as are the unspoken about sightings by Dr Craig at 8.44am when he stated that Sheila's body was 'on the far side of the bed', when he pronounced her as being dead at that time! Additionally, how can the bodies of June and Sheila have remained in situ undisturbed until after PC Bird finished taking photographs if by around 9.05am the bodies of Sheila and June were laid on top of the bed side by side with the rifle on the bed in-between their bodies and a Bible on top of Sheila Caffell's chest at that stage?

Seems to me that all the prosecution witnesses, and uncle Tom Cobbly an all', (except for the defence, and the court which was trying the matter all knew far more than they were saying in their testimonies)...

It's called 'perverting the course of justice' and 'contempt of court'. what o..
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 10:43:AM
If I was a guilter I'd be questioning right now the reason why EP are withholding documents which not only have had court orders requesting them but also some members of the general public------and have received no response nor reasoning in return. Those of us with suspicious minds can't help but wonder what it is that's stopping 33 year old information from coming to light as afterall depending what your thoughts on the subject are could/should have been dealt with/used during the trial thus avoiding the need for a layout of £25,000 which had been payment used in which to boost the prosecution. ?


The way I see it is that it's not usual nor standard practice to both withhold and " compensate " ?

It's also not standard to withhold that which can assist the defence which is why I don't personally agree with EP's tactics. Answers are needed to promote fairness and transparency in the justice system.

 

Perhaps if your were a guiltier you would see the claim of 'withheld' documents as a convenient bogus claim - smething that can run and run - regardless.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 10:55:AM
Sheila's body was not spotlessly clean as claimed by presentation of the prosecution's case during the 1986 Crown Court Trial, the 2002 appeal, and since...

There was, as we all now know a series of explanatory bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of her right arm, and in the vicinity of her right wrist, which is direct evidence confirming that she had in fact fired several bullets from the rifle, to which the corresponding spent cartridge cases had struck that part of her body upon them being individually ejected from the rifle she was holding in her possession, and firing!

Right handed, or left handed, Sheila held the loaded rifle in a particular way when she was shooting shots at the victims!

The fingers of her left hand were in connection with the trigger mechanism, and with her right hand she held the barrel of the gun and directed the shots which she fired at, and into the bodies of the victims.

The prosecution and in particular Essex police withheld /did not disclose the photographic evidence which confirms the presence of these bloodstained straition markings upon the extended lower right arm and right wrist, that were caused by ejecting cartridge cases which struck that part of her lower right arm because it was an obstruction in the way of the casings trajectory after it / they left the rifle...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 11:01:AM
Perhaps if your were a guiltier you would see the claim of 'withheld' documents as a convenient bogus claim - smething that can run and run - regardless.






I wouldn't see anything else but a continual refusal to hand over documents which would leave me wondering why. If EP publicly announced that there were either no papers or at least gave a valid reason as to their refusal but to totally ignore and say nothing doesn't exactly give you the confidence that the force is altogether truthful.
Do we have proof as to whether there are files withheld ? NO, and it's because of EP's refusal to admit otherwise.
The bottom line is that none of us know for sure,so there's no real point in arguing about that one. Except I believe that there are and you don't----------so fair enough. At this stage NEITHER of us is right
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:31:AM
It should also not be overlooked, that by the time DC Henderson, DC Oakey ( 1st SOCO team) and PC Bird ( 2nd SOCO team) took photographs of Sheila Caffell's staged death scene, and by this I mean between 9.00am and 10.00am ( 1st SOCO team ) and between 11.15am and 1.15pm ( 2nd SOCO team ), that police knew that after the second shot which had effectively ended Sheila Caffell's life had been inflicted / received, that her body had been resting upon its right hand side in the recovery position because of tell tale signs not only by looking at the Bloodstaining on her nightdress, but at significant parts of her body, for example, the mottling effect which had already begun to set in upon Sheila's left arm /hand, as opposed to the whitish colour on her right arm which at the time Sheila had been in the recovery position (already) had been underneath her sideways on body, closest to the bedroom floor. Police must have known by the time of these photographs which depicts these characteristics had been taken that Sheila Caffell's body had been moved!

With certainty then, cops who entered the farmhouse and cops who took photographs at various stages of the investigation showing Sheila Caffell's body in situ, on the bedroom floor, must have known that Sheila's body had been moved about, disturbed and stage managed by somebody - so why was it that police went ahead with the four murders and a suicide, where Sheila had shot and killed the other four victims, and had then shot herself twice in the neck on the bedroom floor committing suicide?

Look, if Sheila's body was originally found in the position her body was captured in, how come they did not pay particular attention to a number of significant features, any one of which would surely raise 'a red flag' by anybodies standards? For example, with Sheila's body allegedly found in the suppine position on its back on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle, and the outer part of her upper / outer right arm resting partially underneath a Bible, there was a huge triangular shaped bloodstains upon the shoulder / armpit area on the nightdress she was wearing? Trails of blood ran in different directions on her face and neck - and one half of her body (left arm and shoulder) showing clear signs of a purplish mottling, whilst the opposite right arm / shoulder did not?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:40:AM

Look, if Sheila's body was originally found in the position her body was captured in, how come they did not pay particular attention to a number of significant features, any one of which would surely raise 'a red flag' by anybodies standards? For example, with Sheila's body allegedly found in the suppine position on its back on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle, and the outer part of her upper / outer right arm resting partially underneath a Bible, there was a huge triangular shaped bloodstains upon the shoulder / armpit area on the nightdress she was wearing? Trails of blood ran in different directions on her face and neck - and one half of her body (left arm and shoulder) showing clear signs of a purplish mottling, whilst the opposite right arm / shoulder did not?

With Sheila's body presumably in the suppine position for several hours (if Jeremy Bamber be the killer), on the bedroom floor, how come blood inside the body of Sheila Caffell only drained to the lowest part of one half of her body (the upper left hand side of her body) rather than say all of her body from top half in the suppine position to the bottom part (all parts closest to the ground)?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:41:AM
Look here p!ease...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:47:AM
What possible answer could police give for ignoring these more obvious signs that Sheila Caffell's body had been moved and that her death scene had been staged with the view of trying to pretend that she had committed suicide?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:51:AM
What possible answer could police give for ignoring these more obvious signs that Sheila Caffell's body had been moved and that her death scene had been staged with the view of trying to pretend that she had committed suicide?

Blood pooling on the upper right shoulder /arm pit where it had no right to have pooled, blood trails on the face and neck running in all different directions and yet the rifle sat perched in an almost perfect position with Sheila's right hand on the gun close to the trigger and the barrel end of the gun close to the two bullet entry wounds displaying on her neck?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:52:AM
Blood pooling on the upper right shoulder /arm pit where it had no right to have pooled, blood trails on the face and neck running in all different directions and yet the rifle sat perched in an almost perfect position with Sheila's right hand on the gun close to the trigger and the barrel end of the gun close to the two bullet entry wounds displaying on her neck?

With no obvious sign that Sheila had struggled with anyone at the time she supposedly took her own life...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:52:AM
Oh, and why are both of her eyes closed?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 11:53:AM
Oh, and why are both of her eyes closed?

Who closed Sheila's eyes after the fatal shot had killed her?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 12:02:PM
Perhaps if your were a guiltier you would see the claim of 'withheld' documents as a convenient bogus claim - smething that can run and run - regardless.






Which,in your case is tantamount to saying that you trust the police 100% ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 12:06:PM
Which,in your case is tantamount to saying that you trust the police 100% ?

Is it? You know nothing about me Lookout so don't tell me what I think! You really couldn't be FURTHER from the truth but this forum isn't about me. Lets stick to the case shall we?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 12:12:PM
Oh, and why are both of her eyes closed?

One of her eyes is sightly open.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 12:14:PM
I wouldn't see anything else but a continual refusal to hand over documents which would leave me wondering why. If EP publicly announced that there were either no papers or at least gave a valid reason as to their refusal but to totally ignore and say nothing doesn't exactly give you the confidence that the force is altogether truthful.
Do we have proof as to whether there are files withheld ? NO, and it's because of EP's refusal to admit otherwise.
The bottom line is that none of us know for sure,so there's no real point in arguing about that one. Except I believe that there are and you don't----------so fair enough. At this stage NEITHER of us is right

You might also wonder why Bamber said he has almost ALL of the withheld documents now.

I agree with your last comment, we don't know but EP SHOULD make a statement about it once and for all.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 12:32:PM
You might also wonder why Bamber said he has almost ALL of the withheld documents now.

I agree with your last comment, we don't know but EP SHOULD make a statement about it once and for all.





" Almost all " to me doesn't equate to all or the remainder-of so is not a final count. Which would mean that you do believe that there are still documents that are withheld ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 12:37:PM
If Jeremy himself had said that he'd had all the documents then I'd have believed him.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 03, 2018, 12:49:PM
If Jeremy himself had said that he'd had all the documents then I'd have believed him.

Out of interest do you trust jb implicitly and always believe him 100% in anything he says?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 01:19:PM




" Almost all " to me doesn't equate to all or the remainder-of so is not a final count. Which would mean that you do believe that there are still documents that are withheld ?

I didn't say it did but he has to leave himself some leway to compalin they are still withholing stuff. However, it also doesn't equate to the claims that hundereds of documents are being withheld!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 01:19:PM
Out of interest do you trust jb implicitly and always believe him 100% in anything he says?

It certainly seems that way doesn't it?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 01:35:PM
Out of interest do you trust jb implicitly and always believe him 100% in anything he says?





Yes. I wouldn't have said so otherwise.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 03, 2018, 01:44:PM




Yes. I wouldn't have said so otherwise.

Admirably trusting, or unbelievably naive.

Genuine question. Do you usually find it easy to trust people implicitly having a very limited knowledge of them as people and very limited interaction with them? Or is jb a rare exception?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 01:57:PM
Admirably trusting, or unbelievably naive.

Genuine question. Do you usually find it easy to trust people implicitly having a very limited knowledge of them as people and very limited interaction with them? Or is jb a rare exception?





So far as where " people " are concerned I'd say that my mistrust of them comes before trust,either by not having seen them ( as in this case ) or by seeing them.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 02:01:PM
Hasn't ANYONE had a " gut- feeling " about someone where you've either thought or said that " there's something not quite right about a certain person ?" 
I don't take everyone at face value you know----certainly not as much as you obviously do.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 03, 2018, 02:16:PM
Hasn't ANYONE had a " gut- feeling " about someone where you've either thought or said that " there's something not quite right about a certain person ?" 
I don't take everyone at face value you know----certainly not as much as you obviously do.
If this point is aimed at me, then having personally met hundreds of legal clients over the years, not taking people at face value is an invaluable tool to have, particularly when clients claim one thing which may be some distance from the truth.

I've certainly never based my advice on any given case on a "gut feeling" i may or may not have about a client or a course of action which should be taken.

Advice is given based on my legal training, further research, looking at previous analagous cases, discussing the case with colleagues, seeking the advice of experts in particular fields etc.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 02:45:PM
If this point is aimed at me, then having personally met hundreds of legal clients over the years, not taking people at face value is an invaluable tool to have, particularly when clients claim one thing which may be some distance from the truth.

I've certainly never based my advice on any given case on a "gut feeling" i may or may not have about a client or a course of action which should be taken.

Advice is given based on my legal training, further research, looking at previous analagous cases, discussing the case with colleagues, seeking the advice of experts in particular fields etc.






And I'm with Michael Mansfield with his " guilty until proven innocent " seeing as he's had 50 years experience------mistrust before trust.

Your mate Stan Jones based his verdict------before any investigation,on gut-feeling where a man's future hung in the balance, but that doesn't matter does it,him being a police sergeant ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 03, 2018, 02:59:PM





And I'm with Michael Mansfield with his " guilty until proven innocent " seeing as he's had 50 years experience------mistrust before trust.

Your mate Stan Jones based his verdict------before any investigation,on gut-feeling where a man's future hung in the balance, but that doesn't matter does it,him being a police sergeant ?

Not sure if it will disappoint you to know that having never met nor spoken to the man, Stan Jones is not my mate!

Equally, my comments referred to my opinions, from experience working in a solicitor capacity. I have no idea the thought process or working role of police officers.

Maybe you would have different opinion if you had ever worked in a legal field or had experience of the workings of a solicitor.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 03:04:PM
One of her eyes is sightly open.

Yes, I noticed that, but my understanding was that in cases of a brutal death, including being shot to death, that the victims eyes almost always spring and remain wide open, which some people believe is the route through which the human soul escapes the body!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 03:13:PM





And I'm with Michael Mansfield with his " guilty until proven innocent " seeing as he's had 50 years experience------mistrust before trust.

Your mate Stan Jones based his verdict------before any investigation,on gut-feeling where a man's future hung in the balance, but that doesn't matter does it,him being a police sergeant ?

This is a COMPLETE contradiction. You're with Michael Mansfield in that a person is guilty until proven innocent but Stan Jones (who had many years of experience as a police officer) was wrong for doing the very thing you applaud Mansfield for?  ::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 03:19:PM
Yes, I noticed that, but my understanding was that in cases of a brutal death, including being shot to death, that the victims eyes almost always spring and remain wide open, which some people believe is the route through which the human soul escapes the body!

I think it might just depend on the situation.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 03:26:PM
I am a little concerned also about what appears to be bruising around Sheila Caffell's neck?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 03:41:PM
Not sure if it will disappoint you to know that having never met nor spoken to the man, Stan Jones is not my mate!

Equally, my comments referred to my opinions, from experience working in a solicitor capacity. I have no idea the thought process or working role of police officers.

Maybe you would have different opinion if you had ever worked in a legal field or had experience of the workings of a solicitor.





What makes you think that I don't know about the " workings of a solicitor ?"
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 03:44:PM
I think it might just depend on the situation.






The situation being that Sheila was at peace with herself so had been able to close her eyes and go to sleep.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 03:45:PM
This is a COMPLETE contradiction. You're with Michael Mansfield in that a person is guilty until proven innocent but Stan Jones (who had many years of experience as a police officer) was wrong for doing the very thing you applaud Mansfield for?  ::)







When did MM quote that then ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 03:46:PM
I am a little concerned also about what appears to be bruising around Sheila Caffell's neck?






The injury from the shooting.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 03, 2018, 03:47:PM




What makes you think that I don't know about the " workings of a solicitor ?"

Unless you correct me, I've made the assumption that you have never worked as a solicitor or as a barrister for that matter.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 03:53:PM
Unless you correct me, I've made the assumption that you have never worked as a solicitor or as a barrister for that matter.






I've been in contact with them through my job when there's been a case of litigation.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 03, 2018, 04:13:PM





I've been in contact with them through my job when there's been a case of litigation.

With respect, being in contact with solicitors for litigious matters, doesn't mean that you know or understand the workings of solicitors.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 04:24:PM

The situation being that Sheila was at peace with herself so had been able to close her eyes and go to sleep.

Her eyes WEREN'T closed!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 04:26:PM
With respect, being in contact with solicitors for litigious matters, doesn't mean that you know or understand the workings of solicitors.





The same could be said about your knowledge of my job but I wouldn't brag about it. Law wasn't my vocation.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 04:27:PM






When did MM quote that then ?

I don't know Lookout, it was YOU who made the claim!  ;D ;D



And I'm with Michael Mansfield with his " guilty until proven innocent " seeing as he's had 50 years experience------mistrust before trust.

Your mate Stan Jones based his verdict------before any investigation,on gut-feeling where a man's future hung in the balance, but that doesn't matter does it,him being a police sergeant ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 04:29:PM
I am a little concerned also about what appears to be bruising around Sheila Caffell's neck?

Where?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 04:30:PM
I don't know Lookout, it was YOU who made the claim!  ;D ;D






Well now,it's easy saying that though I'm sure I'd remember if I said it,which I doubt as I've always thought highly of MM.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 03, 2018, 04:52:PM




The same could be said about your knowledge of my job but I wouldn't brag about it. Law wasn't my vocation.

I'm pretty sure that i have never once made comment on your occupation or the experience you have gained from this.

Given that you implied that you knew about how solicitors work as you have had contact with them on litigious matters, I was merely correcting this point.

You have based your legal analysis on a gut feeling. I have based mine on legal training, legal experience, discussions with legal colleagues, expert opinions etc.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 05:00:PM





Well now,it's easy saying that though I'm sure I'd remember if I said it,which I doubt as I've always thought highly of MM.

You said it at 2:45PM TODAY!

Click this link to view YOUR post! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9524.msg441744.html#msg441744
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 03, 2018, 05:27:PM
I am a little concerned also about what appears to be bruising around Sheila Caffell's neck?

There's bruising underneath one of GSW's from what I can remember. It may correspond with either her pendant or its clasp. As if somebody grabbed her necklace from behind, during a struggle. 
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 05:36:PM
I'm pretty sure that i have never once made comment on your occupation or the experience you have gained from this.

Given that you implied that you knew about how solicitors work as you have had contact with them on litigious matters, I was merely correcting this point.

You have based your legal analysis on a gut feeling. I have based mine on legal training, legal experience, discussions with legal colleagues, expert opinions etc.






Besides my gut-feeling there's also the matter of :
Home Office files, CPS files, Forensic Service files, Appeal Court files, IPCC files, CCRC files, The Dickinson Enquiry files, Met files ( Stokenchurch Enquiry ), Civil Case files, Judicial Reviews, Copies of the Holmes police computer files, media files, Correspondence files, Research files, Law reports, Forensic expert files, All Jeremy's files, Jeremy's solicitors files and Photographs and Material from Jeremy's prison files-----making up the 3.5 million electronic documents-------ALL held together and placed in perfect order by those whose belief in Jeremy's innocence far outweighs the knowledge of those who say he's guilty. 
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 05:39:PM
You said it at 2:45PM TODAY!

Click this link to view YOUR post! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9524.msg441744.html#msg441744





I didn't mention gut-feeling when quoting MM ??
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 05:43:PM
There's bruising underneath one of GSW's from what I can remember. It may correspond with either her pendant or its clasp. As if somebody grabbed her necklace from behind, during a struggle.






The necklace would have snapped if pulled during a struggle-------it doesn't take much for it to happen.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 05:45:PM
Her eyes WEREN'T closed!






They weren't wide open either.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 06:08:PM




I didn't mention gut-feeling when quoting MM ??

I didn't say you did!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 06:09:PM





They weren't wide open either.

I didn't say they were!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 06:17:PM
I didn't say you did!






So why did you quote me ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 03, 2018, 06:22:PM
I didn't say they were!






It was as though she was asleep more than awake.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 06:44:PM





So why did you quote me ?

Because what you said was a contradiction. You said you were in agreement with MM when he has indicated that he views people guilty until proven innocent and yet you condemn SJ for doing the same.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 06:45:PM





It was as though she was asleep more than awake.

She was dead Lookout.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2018, 10:44:PM
I have possession of a statement (somewhere) made in the name of Stan Jones where it states that when he first visited the main bedroom and he saw Sheila's body for the very fist time, that he thought how remarkably peacefully she looked, as though she was simply sleeping!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 03, 2018, 11:50:PM
I have possession of a statement (somewhere) made in the name of Stan Jones where it states that when he first visited the main bedroom and he saw Sheila's body for the very fist time, that he thought how remarkably peacefully she looked, as though she was simply sleeping!

With her eyes open.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 04, 2018, 01:39:AM





Besides my gut-feeling there's also the matter of :
Home Office files, CPS files, Forensic Service files, Appeal Court files, IPCC files, CCRC files, The Dickinson Enquiry files, Met files ( Stokenchurch Enquiry ), Civil Case files, Judicial Reviews, Copies of the Holmes police computer files, media files, Correspondence files, Research files, Law reports, Forensic expert files, All Jeremy's files, Jeremy's solicitors files and Photographs and Material from Jeremy's prison files-----making up the 3.5 million electronic documents-------ALL held together and placed in perfect order by those whose belief in Jeremy's innocence far outweighs the knowledge of those who say he's guilty.

So, again out of interest. What is more important to you? Your gut feeling? Or what other people who you have never met or interacted with, purport to say?

In your eyes, do you believe that there is any legally qualified / practising person who knows (not thinks) jb is guilty?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 04, 2018, 03:24:AM
do you believe that there is any legally qualified / practising person who knows (not thinks) jb is guilty?

No
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 08:01:AM
Because what you said was a contradiction. You said you were in agreement with MM when he has indicated that he views people guilty until proven innocent and yet you condemn SJ for doing the same.






Not the same !
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 08:03:AM
She was dead Lookout.






I know that  ::) but she hadn't shown pain and horror,as in being faced with a killer.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 08:05:AM
With her eyes open.






Only very partially.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 08:06:AM
So, again out of interest. What is more important to you? Your gut feeling? Or what other people who you have never met or interacted with, purport to say?

In your eyes, do you believe that there is any legally qualified / practising person who knows (not thinks) jb is guilty?





NO !


" The only things worth learning are the things you learn after you know it all "-------Harry S Truman.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 04, 2018, 10:32:AM





The necklace would have snapped if pulled during a struggle-------it doesn't take much for it to happen.

Not certain but I dont think it did.  I think the chain is visible in crime scene images.  There is also an image of the pendant, which if I recall correctly is partly side-on, allowing a view of the back of the pendant.  The back of the pendant has some kind of ring for clasping.  If the necklace was pulled from behind, the combination of the pendant and its back ring could cause a graze akin to the mark shown below Sheila's lower gsw.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 10:57:AM





I know that  ::) but she hadn't shown pain and horror,as in being faced with a killer.

You keep trying.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 10:58:AM





Not the same !

Not the same as what?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 04, 2018, 11:31:AM
So, again out of interest. What is more important to you? Your gut feeling? Or what other people who you have never met or interacted with, purport to say?

In your eyes, do you believe that there is any legally qualified / practising person who knows (not thinks) jb is guilty?

Apologies, too much celebrating last night.

My quote was meant to read: “in your eyes, do you believe that there is any legally qualified / practising person who knows (not thinks) jb is innocent?”
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: petey on July 04, 2018, 11:33:AM




NO !


" The only things worth learning are the things you learn after you know it all "-------Harry S Truman.

So what is more important to you? Your gut feeling? Or what other people who you have never met or interacted with, purport to say?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 01:14:PM
So what is more important to you? Your gut feeling? Or what other people who you have never met or interacted with, purport to say?






Obviously my gut-feeling since I've never either read-up nor seen a video of or about "other people " to form any opinion of them.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 01:21:PM
I have studied JB's interview with Eric Allison more times than I can remember and listened for different and varying tones in his speaking, something that others should take the time to do to get an idea of a conversation which flows without certain inflections which can occur in someone who isn't telling the truth.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 01:25:PM
BTW,I don't believe EVERYTHING that anyone tells me !! I might nod in agreeance but inside it's usually a tongue-in-cheek job with me until the full facts are known.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 04, 2018, 01:29:PM
I have studied JB's interview with Eric Allison more times than I can remember and listened for different and varying tones in his speaking, something that others should take the time to do to get an idea of a conversation which flows without certain inflections which can occur in someone who isn't telling the truth.

I wouldn't say that I have studied the interview many times - however I have listened enough to concur with your opinions on it. 
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 02:26:PM
With her eyes open.

No, I don't think it mentioned whether her eyes were open or not, the point I was trying to make was that Stan Jones stated that to him it looked like Sheila was simply a sleep and that she looked so peaceful...

The thing is, that Stan Jones only saw Sheila when she had only been shot once, and that was when he visited the main bedroom along with Mick Clark and they saw Sheila and Junes bodies laid on top of the bed (Sheila's body was not on the floor, and she had not been shot on the second occasion by that stage), so with that in mind, and also bearing in mind the significance with which the pathologist Venezis places upon death being instantaneous at the point when she received the second shot, then when Stan Jones saw Sheila and he thought that she looked so peaceful as if she was sleeping, the awful truth is that she was unconscious at that time, not that she was dead at all. It also gives a somewhat insight into what Stan Jones knew by the time he came to make that particular statement mentioning these things - since, although Sheila only had a single bullet wound to her neck when Jones and Clark had seen Sheila's body laid on top of the bed, he must have realised, or been told about the shooting accident inwhich a second shot got fired into her neck whilst a training exercise was ongoing with Sheila's body moved to the floor from the bed, and the loaded rifle from the box room window brought into the main bedroom and put onto Sheila's body which resulted in her death, caused whilst senior officers practiced the art of 'informatives' around her body!

Jones must have realised much later on upon learning or being told that after he and Clark had left the farm house, that there had been a shooting accident involving the loaded rifle and Sheila Caffell'. Jones would have eventually learned that Sheila's body had been photographed on the bedroom floor with two bullet wounds to her neck, against his clear recollection of Sheila being laid on top of the bed sporting only a single bullet wound, and convinced himself that when he and Mick Clark had been in the main bedroom looking at Sheila that she must either have been unconscious or simply sleeping...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 02:36:PM
No, I don't think it mentioned whether her eyes were open or not, the point I was trying to make was that Stan Jones stated that to him it looked like Sheila was simply a sleep and that she looked so peaceful...

The thing is, that Stan Jones only saw Sheila when she had only been shot once, and that was when he visited the main bedroom along with Mick Clark and they saw Sheila and Junes bodies laid on top of the bed (Sheila's body was not on the floor, and she had not been shot on the second occasion by that stage), so with that in mind, and also bearing in mind the significance with which the pathologist Venezis places upon death being instantaneous at the point when she received the second shot, then when Stan Jones saw Sheila and he thought that she looked so peaceful as if she was sleeping, the awful truth is that she was unconscious at that time, not that she was dead at all. It also gives a somewhat insight into what Stan Jones knew by the time he came to make that particular statement mentioning these things - since, although Sheila only had a single bullet wound to her neck when Jones and Clark had seen Sheila's body laid on top of the bed, he must have realised, or been told about the shooting accident inwhich a second shot got fired into her neck whilst a training exercise was ongoing with Sheila's body moved to the floor from the bed, and the loaded rifle from the box room window brought into the main bedroom and put onto Sheila's body which resulted in her death, caused whilst senior officers practiced the art of 'informatives' around her body!

Jones must have realised much later on upon learning or being told that after he and Clark had left the farm house, that there had been a shooting accident involving the loaded rifle and Sheila Caffell'. Jones would have eventually learned that Sheila's body had been photographed on the bedroom floor with two bullet wounds to her neck, against his clear recollection of Sheila being laid on top of the bed sporting only a single bullet wound, and convinced himself that when he and Mick Clark had been in the main bedroom looking at Sheila that she must either have been unconscious or simply sleeping...

Hence, why I think Jones included the reference to Sheila looking so peaceful and as though she was merely just sleeping in one of his statements!

He knew that Sheila was still alive when both he and Mick Clark viewed the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila laid on top of the bed, and he must have known as others did that Dr Craig had made a humongous mistake by declaring her as being dead at 8.44am (without the need for a physical examination) - also bear in mind that when Dr Craig pronounced Sheila dead at 8.44am, he stated that Sheila had what appeared to be a gunshot wound to her neck! Years afterwards whilst being interviewed by Ewen Smith, Dr Craig stated that at the time he had pronounced Sheila as being dead that there was only one bullet wound to her neck by that stage, and that he never saw a second bullet entry wound...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 02:45:PM
Hence, why I think Jones included the reference to Sheila looking so peaceful and as though she was merely just sleeping in one of his statements!

He knew that Sheila was still alive when both he and Mick Clark viewed the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila laid on top of the bed, and he must have known as others did that Dr Craig had made a humongous mistake by declaring her as being dead at 8.44am (without the need for a physical examination) - also bear in mind that when Dr Craig pronounced Sheila dead at 8.44am, he stated that Sheila had what appeared to be a gunshot wound to her neck! Years afterwards whilst being interviewed by Ewen Smith, Dr Craig stated that at the time he had pronounced Sheila as being dead that there was only one bullet wound to her neck by that stage, and that he never saw a second bullet entry wound...

By a somewhat strange coincidence, Ann Eaton and the relatives were led to believe after they were told by the police that Sheila had only been shot once!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 02:48:PM
By a somewhat strange coincidence, Ann Eaton and the relatives were led to believe after they were told by the police that Sheila had only been shot once!

When 'Julie Mugford' attended Chelmsford hospital mortuary to identify the bodies of the victims, she returned to Jeremy's cottage informing everyone present the Sheila had got a single bullet wound beneath the point of her chin - she reinforced this by using her own finger and holding it underneath her own chin!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 02:51:PM
At the opening of the inquest into these five deaths, PI Bob Miller informed Deputy Coroner, Mr Thompkin' that by that stage (14th August 1985) that Essex police were satisfied that Sheila Caffell had shot and killed the other four victims, and then turn the gun upon herself, taking her own life by way of a solitary shot under the chin!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 03:04:PM
It should come as no surprise to anyone to learn that for the first month of the police investigation that police were more than satisfied to present the case as 'four murders and a suicide', and that not only Sheila, but that the other four victims had also only been shot once each...

It is not surprising, therefore, nor any wonder that the relatives were talking amongst themselves, in terms of Sheila being a crack marksman with the rifle - the truth is, however, that she didn't need to be..

By virtue of the fact that Sheila fired a total of 8 bullets at Neville Bamber is there any wonder that he died?

Similarly, with Sheila shooting June Bamber a total of 7 times, again little wonder then that she didn't survive!!

In the instances of the child victims, one shot at 5 times, the other shot a total of 3 times, all head / skull shots you would'nt have to be a crack marksman to cause death in both of these cases...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 03:12:PM
Matters of great significance came to a head during the back end of the first week in September 1985, when at long last the relatives learned the truth regarding how many times each victim had been shot - not once each, but Neville 8, June 7, Daniel 5, Nicholas 3, and Sheila twice!

From that point forward, the relatives changed their stance, now they put forward the suggestion that Sheila wasn't capable of loading around 15 additional bullets into the gun in order to carry out the killings! She had poor hand / eye co-ordination they argued. She wasn't capable of hurting her two young children, etc, etc, etc...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 03:26:PM
I wouldn't say that I have studied the interview many times - however I have listened enough to concur with your opinions on it.

I think anyone listening to the interview does so with their own biases. He speaks well in the interview and comes across as polite and fairly well educated. On the surface he seems convincing; with his new found 'understanding' of Sheila's illness. However, like I said, we listen with bias and wearing guilty glasses I feel their are undertones of arrogance - especially at the end when Allinson asks what he will do if his submissions are rejected and, his voice changes when he states 'well then, we'll hit them with the other stuff' (or words to that effect). He almost makes it sound like a game.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2018, 04:12:PM
Matters of great significance came to a head during the back end of the first week in September 1985, when at long last the relatives learned the truth regarding how many times each victim had been shot - not once each, but Neville 8, June 7, Daniel 5, Nicholas 3, and Sheila twice!

From that point forward, the relatives changed their stance, now they put forward the suggestion that Sheila wasn't capable of loading around 15 additional bullets into the gun in order to carry out the killings! She had poor hand / eye co-ordination they argued. She wasn't capable of hurting her two young children, etc, etc, etc...

More to the point, upon learning that Sheila had in fact been shot twice, Ann Eaton and the relatives recalled how Stan Jones and Mick Clark had told them at Jeremy's cottage within an hour of them having viewed Sheila's and Junes bodies both laid on top of the bed, with the rifle on the bed in-between the bodies, and a Bible on top of Sheila's chest! More importantly that Sheila had only been shot once by the time Jones and Clark had visited the main bedroom at around 9.05am on that crucial first morning...

Armed with the knowledge that the relatives had been misled and deceived by the police regarding the total number of shots which had been fired, and the total number of shots each victim including Sheila had received the relatives sat down together and realised that Sheila had not killed herself and that Jeremy could not have shot Sheila dead by way of inflicting the second shot which effectively ended her life!

The relatives discussed the possibility of Sheila and Jeremy planning on killing the adoptive parents to get their hands on Neville and June Bambers estates! But when it boiled down to Sheila having had anything whatsoever to do with the killing of her own two children, the relatives could not bring themselves to believing such an awful thing...

It was around this time, that relatives found out about the contents of the timed police radio messages which were passed between the scene and police headquarters, about Sheila's and Neville Bambers bodies being found downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am), and that only three other bodies had been found upstairs by 8.10am..

All in all, the relatives had more than a strong suspicion that the police had something to do with the killing of Sheila, with Jeremy being behind killing the other four victims, intending to pin the blame on his sister (who he had planned to keep alive)...

This was in the mindset of the relatives by the beginning of September 1985 - either way, the relatives had got it into their heads that Jeremy should be barred as a beneficiary at all costs! Without any action on their part Jeremy might stand to inherit not only from Neville Bambers estate, and June Bambers estate, but also the estate of Mabel Speakman!

The plan was for an approach to be made to the ACC Peter Simpson by Robert Woodwis Boutflour, with the intent on trying to get the police on board to prosecute Jeremy as the killer, in return for the relatives keeping their silence regarding what they knew by that stage. In particular, that Sheila Caffell was not shot dead until after Stan Jones and Mick Clark had viewed Sheila's body laid out on the bed with a solitary non fatal neck wound, and they had left the scene, and gone straight to Jeremy's cottage to recount the then known facts - the facts being at that time, and on that occasion, that despite Dr Craig pronouncing Sheila as being dead on the far side of the bed at 8.44am, the simple truth in the matter was that she couldn't have been dead, when Craig had pronounced her as being dead! Sheila had been alive at that time, barely alive, but alive!

She was still alive with Jones and Clark visited the main bedroom, and viewed Sheila laid out on top of the bed, she had still only got that solitary bullet entry wound to her neck, the rifle which would fire the second fatal bullet that finished Sheila off, was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of June and Sheila!

Robert Boutflour told Simpson a few home truths...

He told him...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 04:27:PM
I think anyone listening to the interview does so with their own biases. He speaks well in the interview and comes across as polite and fairly well educated. On the surface he seems convincing; with his new found 'understanding' of Sheila's illness. However, like I said, we listen with bias and wearing guilty glasses I feel their are undertones of arrogance - especially at the end when Allinson asks what he will do if his submissions are rejected and, his voice changes when he states 'well then, we'll hit them with the other stuff' (or words to that effect). He almost makes it sound like a game.





Ignore the " polite and fairly well educated " bit, it's not what this is about. You're looking at it from a false point of view a very hollow way of going about it.
What he says is very precise without using emphasis ( inflection ) making no matter if the conversation was said in a broad Lancashire or Yorkshire or any other accent. He is speaking ordinarily and without signs of an actor in a Shakespearian play-------which I wouldn't have trusted, dramatizing everything. 

He reduced his tone towards the end because his positivity took a hit,that's all----nothing sinister in that.
A bit like when you think you have 4 numbers on the Lotto and it turns out to be 3. Human nature ?
Like it's human nature to feel for someone's downfall-------called empathy.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 04, 2018, 04:40:PM
I think anyone listening to the interview does so with their own biases. He speaks well in the interview and comes across as polite and fairly well educated. On the surface he seems convincing; with his new found 'understanding' of Sheila's illness. However, like I said, we listen with bias and wearing guilty glasses I feel their are undertones of arrogance - especially at the end when Allinson asks what he will do if his submissions are rejected and, his voice changes when he states 'well then, we'll hit them with the other stuff' (or words to that effect). He almost makes it sound like a game.

I cant disagree with you about individual bias.  The part you mention stands out to me almost as courtesy not arrogance  :))  i.e. they're holding back - to give police / authorities a chance to respond in an even handed, honest and fair manner (which sadly, was never going to happen). 
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 04:42:PM
The polygraph isn't interested how a person speaks or whether they're educated or not.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 04:45:PM
Arrogance can also be taken as being sure of oneself other than being a brat.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 04, 2018, 06:00:PM
More to the point, upon learning that Sheila had in fact been shot twice, Ann Eaton and the relatives recalled how Stan Jones and Mick Clark had told them at Jeremy's cottage within an hour of them having viewed Sheila's and Junes bodies both laid on top of the bed, with the rifle on the bed in-between the bodies, and a Bible on top of Sheila's chest! More importantly that Sheila had only been shot once by the time Jones and Clark had visited the main bedroom at around 9.05am on that crucial first morning...

Armed with the knowledge that the relatives had been misled and deceived by the police regarding the total number of shots which had been fired, and the total number of shots each victim including Sheila had received the relatives sat down together and realised that Sheila had not killed herself and that Jeremy could not have shot Sheila dead by way of inflicting the second shot which effectively ended her life!

The relatives discussed the possibility of Sheila and Jeremy planning on killing the adoptive parents to get their hands on Neville and June Bambers estates! But when it boiled down to Sheila having had anything whatsoever to do with the killing of her own two children, the relatives could not bring themselves to believing such an awful thing...

It was around this time, that relatives found out about the contents of the timed police radio messages which were passed between the scene and police headquarters, about Sheila's and Neville Bambers bodies being found downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am), and that only three other bodies had been found upstairs by 8.10am..

All in all, the relatives had more than a strong suspicion that the police had something to do with the killing of Sheila, with Jeremy being behind killing the other four victims, intending to pin the blame on his sister (who he had planned to keep alive)...

This was in the mindset of the relatives by the beginning of September 1985 - either way, the relatives had got it into their heads that Jeremy should be barred as a beneficiary at all costs! Without any action on their part Jeremy might stand to inherit not only from Neville Bambers estate, and June Bambers estate, but also the estate of Mabel Speakman!

The plan was for an approach to be made to the ACC Peter Simpson by Robert Woodwis Boutflour, with the intent on trying to get the police on board to prosecute Jeremy as the killer, in return for the relatives keeping their silence regarding what they knew by that stage. In particular, that Sheila Caffell was not shot dead until after Stan Jones and Mick Clark had viewed Sheila's body laid out on the bed with a solitary non fatal neck wound, and they had left the scene, and gone straight to Jeremy's cottage to recount the then known facts - the facts being at that time, and on that occasion, that despite Dr Craig pronouncing Sheila as being dead on the far side of the bed at 8.44am, the simple truth in the matter was that she couldn't have been dead, when Craig had pronounced her as being dead! Sheila had been alive at that time, barely alive, but alive!

She was still alive with Jones and Clark visited the main bedroom, and viewed Sheila laid out on top of the bed, she had still only got that solitary bullet entry wound to her neck, the rifle which would fire the second fatal bullet that finished Sheila off, was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of June and Sheila!

Robert Boutflour told Simpson a few home truths...

He told him...
I lost you from paragraph 5. It's true that Sheila had no knowledge of her actions during a psychotic episode but nigh on impossible that Jeremy would have foreknowledge of when this might occur. Mabel Speakman's estate has been discussed many times but it seems to me Jeremy had very little interest in that domain, being satisfied with the inheritance from his parents.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:04:PM




Ignore the " polite and fairly well educated " bit, it's not what this is about. You're looking at it from a false point of view a very hollow way of going about it.
What he says is very precise without using emphasis ( inflection ) making no matter if the conversation was said in a broad Lancashire or Yorkshire or any other accent. He is speaking ordinarily and without signs of an actor in a Shakespearian play-------which I wouldn't have trusted, dramatizing everything. 

He reduced his tone towards the end because his positivity took a hit,that's all----nothing sinister in that.
A bit like when you think you have 4 numbers on the Lotto and it turns out to be 3. Human nature ?
Like it's human nature to feel for someone's downfall-------called empathy.

You're looking at it with the same but opposing point of view - you're hearing what you want to hear. Not sure where the Shakespearean actor comes into it? He's hardly likely to give a the "To be or not to be" performance, he's not an idiot.

The ending sounded spiteful - certainly no empathy.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:05:PM
The polygraph isn't interested how a person speaks or whether they're educated or not.

Eh? Whats that got to do with anything?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:05:PM
Arrogance can also be taken as being sure of oneself other than being a brat.

Being sure of yourself is 'confidence' being a brat is arrogance.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:07:PM
I cant disagree with you about individual bias.  The part you mention stands out to me almost as courtesy not arrogance  :))  i.e. they're holding back - to give police / authorities a chance to respond in an even handed, honest and fair manner (which sadly, was never going to happen).

Or a threat for effect?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 07:18:PM

You're looking at it with the same but opposing point of view - you're hearing what you want to hear. Not sure where the Shakespearean actor comes into it? He's hardly likely to give a the "To be or not to be" performance, he's not an idiot.

The ending sounded spiteful - certainly no empathy.







I heard what I heard and if you're not used to hearing someone answering questions in a clear and concise manner and without stressing any particular answer nor elaborating in any way then I can't help your perceptions of normal.

As for him being/sounding to be spiteful which I would describe as a feminine trait then your hearing is faulty.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 07:21:PM
Eh? Whats that got to do with anything?  ;D ;D ;D ;D





Your own description of " well spoken and fairly well educated ". I referred to the polygraph not being bias.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 07:22:PM
Being sure of yourself is 'confidence' being a brat is arrogance.






Many arrogant people are confident. Professionals in all fields ??
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 04, 2018, 07:23:PM
I've met many arrogant surgeons-------confident too !!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:30:PM

I heard what I heard and if you're not used to hearing someone answering questions in a clear and concise manner and without stressing any particular answer nor elaborating in any way then I can't help your perceptions of normal.

As for him being/sounding to be spiteful which I would describe as a feminine trait then your hearing is faulty.

AND I heard what I heard and where did I say that I'm NOT "used to hearing someone answering questions in a clear and concise manner and without stressing any particular answer nor elaborating in any way"? I can't help your perceptions of normal either!

How on earth is spitefulness a 'feminine trait'?

The problem is, you can't see that you're biased in anyway, shape or form and that your biases affect how you process what you read, see and hear. EVERYONE is prone to do this, me because I believe he's guilty and YOU because you believe he's innocent. We can hear the same thing but come to very different conclusions.

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:34:PM




Your own description of " well spoken and fairly well educated ". I referred to the polygraph not being bias.

The polygraph doesn't measure speech!  ::) - For starters I never said he was 'well spoken' you dreamed that one! I said 'polite and fairly well educated'.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:35:PM





Many arrogant people are confident. Professionals in all fields ??

So what, they aren't the same thing!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 04, 2018, 07:36:PM
I've met many arrogant surgeons-------confident too !!

That's nice.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Harry on July 05, 2018, 04:44:AM
More to the point, upon learning that Sheila had in fact been shot twice, Ann Eaton and the relatives recalled how Stan Jones and Mick Clark had told them at Jeremy's cottage within an hour of them having viewed Sheila's and Junes bodies both laid on top of the bed, with the rifle on the bed in-between the bodies, and a Bible on top of Sheila's chest! More importantly that Sheila had only been shot once by the time Jones and Clark had visited the main bedroom at around 9.05am on that crucial first morning...

Armed with the knowledge that the relatives had been misled and deceived by the police regarding the total number of shots which had been fired, and the total number of shots each victim including Sheila had received the relatives sat down together and realised that Sheila had not killed herself and that Jeremy could not have shot Sheila dead by way of inflicting the second shot which effectively ended her life!

The relatives discussed the possibility of Sheila and Jeremy planning on killing the adoptive parents to get their hands on Neville and June Bambers estates! But when it boiled down to Sheila having had anything whatsoever to do with the killing of her own two children, the relatives could not bring themselves to believing such an awful thing...

It was around this time, that relatives found out about the contents of the timed police radio messages which were passed between the scene and police headquarters, about Sheila's and Neville Bambers bodies being found downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am), and that only three other bodies had been found upstairs by 8.10am..

All in all, the relatives had more than a strong suspicion that the police had something to do with the killing of Sheila, with Jeremy being behind killing the other four victims, intending to pin the blame on his sister (who he had planned to keep alive)...

This was in the mindset of the relatives by the beginning of September 1985 - either way, the relatives had got it into their heads that Jeremy should be barred as a beneficiary at all costs! Without any action on their part Jeremy might stand to inherit not only from Neville Bambers estate, and June Bambers estate, but also the estate of Mabel Speakman!

The plan was for an approach to be made to the ACC Peter Simpson by Robert Woodwis Boutflour, with the intent on trying to get the police on board to prosecute Jeremy as the killer, in return for the relatives keeping their silence regarding what they knew by that stage. In particular, that Sheila Caffell was not shot dead until after Stan Jones and Mick Clark had viewed Sheila's body laid out on the bed with a solitary non fatal neck wound, and they had left the scene, and gone straight to Jeremy's cottage to recount the then known facts - the facts being at that time, and on that occasion, that despite Dr Craig pronouncing Sheila as being dead on the far side of the bed at 8.44am, the simple truth in the matter was that she couldn't have been dead, when Craig had pronounced her as being dead! Sheila had been alive at that time, barely alive, but alive!

She was still alive with Jones and Clark visited the main bedroom, and viewed Sheila laid out on top of the bed, she had still only got that solitary bullet entry wound to her neck, the rifle which would fire the second fatal bullet that finished Sheila off, was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of June and Sheila!

Robert Boutflour told Simpson a few home truths...

He told him...

"Without any action on their part Jeremy might stand to inherit not only from Neville Bamber's estate, and June Bamber's estate, but also the estate of Mabel Speakman!

The plan was for an approach to be made to the ACC Peter Simpson by Robert Woodwis Boutflour, with the intent on trying to get the police on board to prosecute Jeremy as the killer, in return for the relatives keeping their silence regarding what they knew by that stage."


Great post Mike. People should take seriously the strong possibility that the relatives and the police all knew that Bamber was innocent from within days of the killings.

It is often claimed  that Stan Jones suspected Jeremy before the second investigation was started and before ACC Peter Simpson had replaced Taff Jones with Mike Ainsley after complaints made by the relatives concerning Taff Jones's handling the case . But that does not make logical sense given that Stan Jones saw Sheila on the bed on the morning after the killings with only one bullet wound and without the blood leaking from the sides of her mouth. Stan Jones knew that Jeremy was innocent from that very day.

When later that day he heard about the incident which occurred after he left, in which Sheila was shot a second time, he could not possibly have had any doubts that Sheila had not been dead since before 03:00am. The photographs of Sheila on the floor with wet blood trails which Jones had not seen on his first visit to the farm would have made the truth obvious to him and to all the other cops immediately involved.

Furthermore common sense dictates  ACC Peter Simpson would have demanded to know the nature of the incident which had occurred. Whether Sheila had shot herself after Jones had seen seen her on the bed, or whether the police had shot her, it would have been the number one priority for Simpson to cover up the incident.

The key to understanding the basic dynamics of the case is in recognizing how significant it was for Simpson that the relatives had been told about the position of Sheila's body before the second wound was inflicted.

When Robert Boutflour went to Simpson to make his complaints about Taff Jones handling of the case, Simpson would surely have been very worried. 

What if Boutflour had asked Simpson for an explanation of why his daughter Ann Eaton had been told that Sheila had been found on the bed with a bible on her chest?  What if the relatives started going around telling people that the police had told them that Sheila had been found on the bed with a bible on her chest? Simpson could foresee trouble ahead.

The fact that Simpson responded to Robert Boutflour's complaint by immediately complying with the latter's wishes shows that it was for him of the utmost importance to guarantee the silence of the relatives. ACC Simpson immediately removed DCI Taff Jones from his position as head of the investigation and gave instructions to Det Chief Superintendent Mike Ainsley to start a new investigation with Jeremy as the prime suspect.

But it was all completely fake. Simpson, Ainsley and their stooge Stan Jones were all aware from the very beginning that Sheila had committed the murders and that Bamber was innocent. It was all play acting on their part.

All the senior investigative officers would have known the real truth. I would go further and suggest that the relatives also knew from a very early stage that Jeremy was innocent. The fact that they signed fraudulent witness statements and gave false evidence according to instructions given to them by the police does not of itself prove they knew Jeremy was innocent.  But some of the lies they were told to tell and which they recognized as lies would indicate that the police knew that Sheila was the killer and that she had been shot when Jeremy was outside with the police.

For example. Anthony Pargeter denied that his rifle had been present at the farm at the time of the murders. Another rifle being found downstairs is mentioned in police records.

Pargeter would not have lied unless he had been told to lie by the police. If Sheila had shot herself downstairs with Pargeter's bolt action rifle and the police wanted to cover up the incident, it would be important to get Pargeter to officially deny that his rifle had been there. Pargeter would not have lied without trying to figure out why he had been told to lie. It seems unrealistic that the relatives would have followed such instructions blindly without figuring out that the police had their own motives for covering up what really happened.

But their greed was the determining factor. They could pretend to believe that Bamber was guilty even if they saw through what the police were doing. Indeed a friendly cop may have explained the whole plan. Refusing to take that possibility seriously suggests a very poor knowledge of history. Any historian will tell you that such conspiracies don't only take place novels.

The thought that the relatives actually figured out that the police were trying to cover up the fact that Sheila had been on the bed and had been shot after Jones and Clark had left may be just too appalling for some people.

But it is probably the truth. The alternative, that they were completely clueless while signing fraudulent witness statements to backdate the finding of the silencer by a whole month is more far fetched.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 05, 2018, 08:19:AM
Another fine post Harry and I must remark on its feasibility too though sickening to think that this could well have been the case.


I've had a problem for long enough with the fact that the blood group found in both Sheila and RWB concerning the AK/1. This enzyme was also contained in the blood of RWB's family,being a component found in a genetic capacity ( usually the male member of a family ) but also in cattle,pigs,chickens and rabbits.

For Sheila to have also had the same enzyme seems to me, personally not to have been the case and it's only the pathologist's word against everyone else's ( because of his position ) that this was ever made known. All part of the cover-up ? when you have 3 adults along with a select few animals whose blood contains AK1 yet it's been said that Sheila's blood was found on the silencer thus making Jeremy the killer ?  Such information was never disclosed until after the 2002 appeal.  Sheila's bio-father would have had the enzyme, if it was there at all !

My own thoughts on this particular subject is that the blood was that of an animal ( 4-legged one )



Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 09:07:AM
I lost you from paragraph 5. The relatives knew that the police had something to do with Sheila Caffell's death because within a couple of hours of the bodies of the five victims had been discovered (2 down, 3 up) they had been told by Stan Jones and Mick Clark at Jeremy's cottage that Sheila's body had been found laid on top of the bed, with a rifle on the bed in-between both bodies, Sheila having a Bible placed on her chest, and Sheila only having one bullet entry wound to her neck! By the beginning of September 1985, relatives discovered that police were now presenting a totally different scenario where neither Sheila or Junes bodies had been on the bed at all, and that the rifle alleged to have been the only murder weapon used, was not resting on the bed at all, nor was there a Bible which someone had placed on top of Sheila's chest! Instead the relatives got wind that the police were now saying that the bodies of Sheila and June had been found on the bedroom floor either side of the bed! June's body propped up near the doorway from the landing, and Sheila's body laid out flat on the floor on the other side of the bed, almost parrellel with the left hand edge of the bed (when viewed from the vantage point of someone standing at the foot of the bed)! The rifle was now being said to have been found in Sheila's possession, she clutching it to her body with the fingers of her right hand close to the trigger, and the muzzle end of the guns barrel nestling close to what appeared to be two bullet entry wounds to her throat, whereas in the original version of the circumstances told by the police to Ann Eaton and the other relatives, was that Sheila had only been shot once! Moreover, in the latest twist the barrell of the rifle was resting upon the chest of Sheila Caffell, where previously that rifle had been resting on the bed in-between both bodies, and the Bible was supposed to have been resting directly on top of Sheila Caffell's chest, a Bible which in the latest twist of the circumstances was found to be partially resting on top of the upper and outer right arm! Everyone knows what sort of slueths the relatives were and turned out to be! It was a piece of cake for them to work out the lies which Essex police had been feeding them, firstly regarding the positions the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell' had been found in, next the fact that the rifle was resting on the bed in-between the two bodies, next the deception regarding the fact that Jones and Clark had seen the Bible on top of Sheila's chest prior to leaving the scene to attend at Jeremy's cottage, where the police officers concerned stated in the clearest of terms that Sheila, like all the other victims had all only been shot once! Only to find that the police were now by the beginning of September 1985, were altering all manner of circumstances, placing the bodies of these two female victims on the bedroom floor either side of the bed, June Bamber shot 7 times, not once, and Sheila not shot once, but twice! How is it possible for the sleuthing relatives to to be able to Fathom out by that stage, that there was something sinister going on surrounding the deaths of both Sheila Caffell, and June Bamber? The relatives were on the ball, and challenged the Witham Officers at every available opportunity prior to Robert Boutflours meeting with Peter Simpson at police headquarters on 6th September 1985! They received information from several sources throughout that critical period, not only from the likes of Bob Miller, Stan Jones, Mick Clark, but also from Robert Carr the Metropolitan Police Officer (son of John Carr, manager at Osea Road Caravan Park), Interpol, and their contacts at the Lodge where Robert Boutflour, Peter Simpson, and other senior officers linked to the police investigation practiced freemasonry! It's true that Sheila had no knowledge of her actions during a psychotic episode but nigh on impossible that Jeremy would have foreknowledge of when this might occur. It's possible that Jeremy anticipated the onset of a psychotic episode by observing her odd behaviour during the days leading up to the tragedy, and on the last day and at the supper table when Neville and June were admonishing her lack of ability to look after herself, and the children properly! It seems somewhat clear to me that Sheila was not very well at all in view of the fact that the parents were telling Sheila that she needed a rest in a nursing home in Bournemouth, and that they were heard by Jeremy to be saying to Sheila that she needed help with looking after the two children, there was mention of the possibility of help from foster parenting, and social services at the supper table, to which Sheila was not responding to at all! Her poor attitude and her low mood was noticeable at the party held at the week-end before the tragedy by everyone! On the journey to stay at whf she sat silently and brooding in the car all the journey without speaking at all to either her two children or to Colin Caffell. Indeed, Pamela Boutflour recounted how during the very last telephone call she had with her sister June Bamber (about 10pm, 6th August 1985) that June had spoken of the odd behaviour Sheila was displaying, and that June wanted her to have a look at Sheila on the following afternoon when arrangements were made for June, Sheila and the children to come for tea! It seems that quite a few people had noticed the odd behaviour of Sheila and this could have been a well known precursor to the onset of a psychotic episode, of which Sheila was known to suffer with from time to time. So with this in mind, I think that from Jeremy's perspective it's possible that he knew that trouble might be just around the corner! More importantly more and more people were noticing or being told about how odd Sheila had been behaving, a feature which the relatives knew about subsequently, and which may have caused them to believe that Jeremy had been involved with Sheila in the plan to get rid of the adoptive parents, paving the way to their inheritances! Mabel Speakman's estate has been discussed many times but it seems to me Jeremy had very little interest in that domain, being satisfied with the inheritance from his parents. That is not the impression that I got from interviewing him on a daily basis between the beginning of 1989 until the 27th July 1990 when I was incarcerated on B Wing at HMP Full Sutton, nr York, with him!  Apparently, Jeremy was Mabel Speakmans favourite grandson, Jeremy was close to his grandmother and he believed that when Mabel Speakman eventually passed away as surely everyone of us must do, that his grannies estate would be split between her two daughters (June Bamber and Pamela Boutflour), as the chief beneficiaries, and that June Bambers half share would eventually pass over to Sheila and himself as chief beneficiaries of June Bambers estate. I was very interested in these bits of information, because it allowed me to see Jeremy in a different light than that cast upon him after being convicted of these henious crimes! What I mean by this is that it wouldn't have been in Jeremy's best interests to be involved in wanting to kill off his parents when his grandmother, Mabel Speakman, was still very much alive at the time of the tragedy, and as such half of her potential estate would not by that stage have been part of her daughter's (June and Pamela) estates!  And then of course, the relatives set into motion a rather dastardly plot when they eventually got around to informing Mabel Speakman about the devasting tragedy of whf, that everyone including Jeremy had all been killed off by Sheila, who had then killed herself! They fooled Mabel Speakman into thinking that Jeremy Bamber had been killed and that he was dead along with everyone else! And, then guess what happened?

Robert Boutflour made quick arrangements for a new will to be made, tying all of Mabel Speakmans estate to Pamela Boutflour, David Boutflour and Ann Eaton - all of this prior to Jeremy's subsequent trial in October 1986...

So, it is simply not true that Jeremy had no interest in Mabel Speakmans estate either before the date of the tragedy, or afterwards..

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 09:22:AM
The relatives, every last one of them, played along with the tale that they told to Mabel Speakman, for example, by telling her thatJeremy was one of the victims in the tragedy, and they got away with it because from the end of September 1985, Jeremy was in custody awaiting his trial, and the rest is history, he has been in custody ever since (hence why Mabel Speakman never got to see Jeremy Bamber ever again, she believed that he had died in the tragic events)! They were easily able to fool granny Speakman because she was very poorly and bedridden! Furthermore, it helped matters that Robert Boutflour had learned about Sheila's body originally being reportedly found downstairs in the kitchen along with Neville Bambers body, and that by 8.10am only three bodies were reportedly found upstairs in the bedrooms. The fact that Sheila's body had subsequently been found laid on top of the bed, and much later on, that her body had been shifted into the bedroom floor was a determining factor in getting granny Speakman to accept that Jeremy also had been killed and had died in the tragedy of whf - this was because at first blush, cops reported two bodies downstairs and only three bodies upstairs (between 7.35am and 8.10am), but by 8.44am, the body count downstairs (1) and upstairs (4), paved the way for the relatives to mislead Mabel Speakman into believing that with two bodies downstairs (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am), and four bodies upstairs by 8.44am, that the police had been dealing with a tragedy involving six bodies (2 + 4 = 6), not five!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 10:51:AM
What also seems somewhat obvious to me, concerning the involvement of Stan Jones and the relatives knowledge regarding the fact that he and Mick Clark had seen Sheila's body laid out on top of the parents bed  (only shot once by that stage) very soon after arriving at the scene in the company of DCI Jones at about 9.05am, is that having recounted what he had observed to Ann Eaton and the other relatives what he had very recently observed back in the main bedroom, is that Jeremy Bamber was not given this information at all. I personally asked Jeremy if he was there when the police told Ann Eaton that he had seen Sheila and June Bambers bodies laid side by side on top of the bed in his parents bedroom? He said, 'no'. When I put it to Jeremy that he must have been there, Jeremy told me that he was with DC Mick Clark at the time it was said by Stan Jones, giving him his first witness statement...

The rather worrying thing about all of this, from what Jeremy has told me, was that Ann Eaton and the relatives never mentioned any of these details to him at all, I think I am right in saying except for the fact that he was told by somebody, it could have been one of the relatives, or Julie Mugford' that when Sheila was found that she had a bible on her chest! Jeremy has told me that right up until his trial he was under the impression that a Bible had been found on top of his sister's chest, but by the time his trial got under way the rifle was resting on top of Sheila's body, not the Bible which was photographed resting against and slightly under the outside of his sister's upper right arm..

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 11:24:AM

The rather worrying thing about all of this, from what Jeremy has told me, was that Ann Eaton and the relatives never mentioned any of these details to him at all, I think I am right in saying except for the fact that he was told by somebody, it could have been one of the relatives, or Julie Mugford' that when Sheila was found that she had a bible on her chest! Jeremy has told me that right up until his trial he was under the impression that a Bible had been found on top of his sister's chest, but by the time his trial got under way the rifle was resting on top of Sheila's body, not the Bible which was photographed resting against and slightly under the outside of his sister's upper right arm..

Somebody it seemed, for one reason or another switched the Bible that was resting on top of Sheila Caffell's chest at some stage after Stan Jones and Mick Clark had viewed Sheila's body laid on top of the bed, and replaced it with the rifle once her body was moved to the bedroom floor! Rather more disturbingly, Sheila now had got two shots inflicted to her neck, not the solitary one observed and recounted by Stan Jones and Mick Clark to Ann Eaton, and the relatives! There was obviously some link or association between the sudden appearance of a second bullet wound to Sheila's neck, the fact that her body had been lifted off the bed and placed on the bedroom floor, and the police leaving the rifle on top of Sheila's body, where the Bible had previously been...

The conclusion is that the second bullet entry wound on Sheila's neck (the fatal shot) was caused by a bullet fired via the anshuzt rifle after the police had lifted Sheila's body from on top of the bed and had placed it on the bedroom floor, to the left hand edge of the bed - this event must have occurred after Stan Jones and Mick Clark had left the main bedroom and gone outside to liaise with Jeremy and to make arrangements for them to go back to Jeremy's cottage and take a witness statement. I think it was around 9.30am when Jeremy, Jones and Clark left the farmhouse...

Prior to this, Jeremy had been sat inside his own car (the astra) and had been joined by PS Saxby who told Jeremy the bad news, which in a nutshell was that all his family were all dead inside the house!

I asked Jeremy what impact of being told that everyone inside the farmhouse were all dead?

He said that he was very shocked and full of disbelief, because he knew that when they first arrived at the scene that one of the adult victims had been seen moving around at his parents bedroom window, and throughout the ensuing seige that the police had been in communication with somebody inside the house, and that the police who were surrounding the building had from time to time been bombarding the occupants with instructions and requests using loud hailers! Jeremy told me that upon being told the tragic news that he (Jeremy) believed at that moment that the men who had gone into the farmhouse carrying guns had shot dead Sheila, and the rest of his family!

This interested me, at the time he recounted these events to me - so I asked him what made him think that the men carrying the guns who had gone into the house, had shot dead members of his family? His reaction was to say to me that there had clearly been someone alive inside the main bedroom, moving around as seen by the two police officers (Bews and Myall) and himself..

I enquired of Jeremy, whether or not he could tell if the person seen was his dad? His mom? Sheila? Or some other person or other?

He said it was impossible to say because whoever it had been, the person was a shifting silhouetted figure, identifiable by virtue of the fact that there was a light source beyond the figure they were looking at?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 11:36:AM

I asked Jeremy what impact of being told that everyone inside the farmhouse were all dead?

He said that he was very shocked and full of disbelief, because he knew that when they first arrived at the scene that one of the adult victims had been seen moving around at his parents bedroom window, and throughout the ensuing seige that the police had been in communication with somebody inside the house, and that the police who were surrounding the building had from time to time been bombarding the occupants with instructions and requests using loud hailers! Jeremy told me that upon being told the tragic news that he (Jeremy) believed at that moment that the men who had gone into the farmhouse carrying guns had shot dead Sheila, and the rest of his family!

What I find to be somewhat ironic is that it must have been after Jeremy had complained to PS Saxby that he thought the men carrying guns who had gone into the building must have shot Sheila and the rest of his family dead, is that Stan Jones and Mick Clark hadn't even arrived at the scene at that stage, and they would not enter the main bedroom and see the bodies of Sheila and June laid out side by side on top of the bed until gone 9.05am. We know that by the time Dr Craig had pronounced Sheila as being dead by 8.44am and he had left the building to go and tend to Jeremy that PS Saxby had broken the bad news to Jeremy already - 'the men carrying guns who went into house must have shot and killed Sheila and the rest of my Family' Jeremy had accusingly declared...

Note, how 'Jeremy was accusing the armed police of shooting dead Sheila, and the other four victims', he never said that 'Sheila must have shot and killed the others and had then turned the gun on herself'! It is important not to overlook the significance of what Jeremy said to PS Saxby on this occasion, because officially Essex police have consistently bombarded the public with the claim that they were conditioned by Jeremy to think that Sheila had shot everyone, and then killed herself!

Nope!

They have lied, because Jeremy accused the armed police of shooting everyone, including Sheila!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 12:05:PM
... Jeremy accused the armed police of shooting everyone, including Sheila!

It had been PS Saxby who had relayed the key police radio messages timed at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am  and 8.10am, duties he had completed by the time he left his patrol car (CA07) and went to speak to Jeremy who was sat in his astra motor vehicle to break the news to him...

'two bodies found downstairs in the kitchen upon entry, and a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'...

It therefore must follow that Sheila's body was still present downstairs in the kitchen at the exact time that PS Saxby was telling Jeremy the bad news...

One dead male, one dead female in kitchen upon entry'..

A murder, and a suicide, by 7.45am

The other three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am...

Sheila was the female body being referred goat these key crucial times! She was supposed to have committed suicide by 7.45am, but if this were true how then did her body end up upstairs on top of the bed by 8.44am?

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 05, 2018, 12:30:PM
It's funny how when the relatives came on the scene that their main theme had been money ?? Whereas 9 times out of 10 murder isn't about money at all but about the complex psychological needs of someone who's motivated by their " head and not the wallet " such as in Sheila's case where no money or anything else had been stolen.

" Taff Jones " would have known the above when he first profiled the situation after having probably experienced this type of domestic during his reign in the force. He'd seen it all before in other words.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 05, 2018, 12:55:PM
It's funny how when the relatives came on the scene that their main theme had been money ?? Whereas 9 times out of 10 murder isn't about money at all but about the complex psychological needs of someone who's motivated by their " head and not the wallet " such as in Sheila's case where no money or anything else had been stolen.

" Taff Jones " would have known the above when he first profiled the situation after having probably experienced this type of domestic during his reign in the force. He'd seen it all before in other words.

What was the first thing Jeremy asked for on his first vist to WHF after the murders?

He'd seen a 5 murder domestic before had he?  ;D ;D I don't think TJ 'profiled' anything - he saw the gun on Sheila and junped to the conclusion that Jeremy wanted.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 05, 2018, 01:05:PM
What was the first thing Jeremy asked for on his first vist to WHF after the murders?

He'd seen a 5 murder domestic before had he?  ;D ;D I don't think TJ 'profiled' anything - he saw the gun on Sheila and junped to the conclusion that Jeremy wanted.





Bit late in the day asking for money after the murders wasn't it when he'd known about his dad's wallet, the women's handbags and the key to the safe ??

We don't know what " Taff " first saw as his notes are kept under lock and key along with other files which probably explained the truth of what happened !
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 05, 2018, 01:08:PM
" Taff " would have seen domestics ending in murder not necessarily 5 at a time, but then you have to split hairs or you wouldn't have anything to say would you ? ::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 05, 2018, 03:29:PM




Bit late in the day asking for money after the murders wasn't it when he'd known about his dad's wallet, the women's handbags and the key to the safe ??

We don't know what " Taff " first saw as his notes are kept under lock and key along with other files which probably explained the truth of what happened !

We do know, the CS pictures are on the forum. TJ didn't stick around, he went to play golf.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 05, 2018, 03:46:PM
We do know, the CS pictures are on the forum. TJ didn't stick around, he went to play golf.






Like I said, he'd seen it all before so left the formalities and paperwork to his second in command after de-briefing. What we haven't seen is what he wrote concerning 4 murders and a suicide. Have you ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 04:10:PM
What was the first thing Jeremy asked for on his first vist to WHF after the murders?

He'd seen a 5 murder domestic before had he?  ;D ;D I don't think TJ 'profiled' anything - he saw the gun on Sheila and junped to the conclusion that Jeremy wanted. This cannot have been true, because Jeremy simply could not have played any part in the placement of the anshuzt rifle on top of Sheila Caffell's body on the main bedroom floor, after somebody had rolled Sheila's body into the recovery position upon it's right side immediately after the second fatal shot was received. It was whilst Sheila's body was on its right side that the triangular Bloodstaining was produced in the region of her right shoulder / armpit, and of course, with her body resting on its side the rifle could not have remained glued to her sideways on body, and would have needed to be put back on top of Sheila's body once somebody rolled her body back into the suppine position, and somebody must have made sure that the right hand of Sheila was close to the trigger mechanism, with the muzzle end of the rifles barrel nestling neatly close to the two bullet entry wounds on her neck! The person(s) who could have done these things could not have included Jeremy Bamber and it is an impossibility for him to have been one of the people who stage managed Sheila Caffell's death scene, there on the main bedroom floor in possession of the gun which had fired the crucial second and the instantaneously fatal shot! There is an abundance of facts which put the responsibility for Sheila Caffell's death at the feet of the police themselves! Sheila's body couldn't have been laid on the main bedroom floor clutching the rifle to her body, with two bullet wounds in her neck from before the time that the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene (3.48am) - this is because there exists a cartload of evidence placing Sheila's body in other parts of the house, believed to be dead, believed to have committed suicide by 7.45am, downstairs in the kitchen, pronounced as being dead by Dr Craig at 8.44am at a time when her body was 'on the far side of the bed', then Sheila was laid on top of the bed, with a Bible on her chest and only one bullet wound by that stage to her neck, with the rifle resting on the bed in-between the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila! How was it possible, for Sheila to have been laid there on that bedroom floor, in possession of the rifle with two bullet holes to her neck from as long ago as 3.48am, when the rifle which eventually found its way onto Sheila's body was resting at a first floor box room window at the time the firearm officers commenced their approach to enter the premises at just before 7.30am, with nobody that mattered in the judicial process bothering to question how that rifle managed the transition from a first floor box room window, into the possession of Sheila Caffells body at some time between 7.15am and 9.00am?

How can Essex police blame Jeremy for making them stage Sheila Caffell's death scene on the parents bedroom floor, when by reference to police accounts and witness testimony and or knowledge, Sheila's body had been reported as dead, downstairs in the kitchen from as early as 7.35am, dead upstairs on the far side of the parents bed at 8.44am, dead with only one bullet entry wound to her neck right up until just after 9.05am with her body laid on top of the parents bed, with a Bible placed on her chest at that stage, only to wind up being dead ultimately on the bedroom floor by now with two bullet entry wounds to her neck, the rifle on top of her body where the Bible had previously been resting?

At the heart of this shambolic police operation, lies a group of senior officers, firearm officers who entered the farmhouse, and the first team of two SOCO's who took photographs and video footage with the bodies in situ, in various positions, whilst senior officers practiced 'informatives', which to my understanding in the circumstances of this case, were designed to try and find an alternative explanation to account for how where and when Sheila Caffell had taken her own life?

It had nothing to do with Jeremy making the police believe what he wanted them to find, all that is just plain nonsense!

Jeremy had nothing to do with the struggle that ensued downstairs in the kitchen as officers were trying to force their way in, Jeremy didn't shoot Sheila across the neck which caused the police to think that she was dead!

Jeremy had nothing to do with the disappearance of Sheila from the kitchen downstairs, onto the bed upstairs in the parents bedroom!

Jeremy could not have played any role whatsoever in moving Sheila's body from off the bed to the floor, or the second shot which did finally kill Sheila off! How could he have possibly been involved in the shooting dead of his sister when only the police were present inside the farmhouse at the time she died...

Remember that upon being told by PS Saxby that all of his family were dead inside the farmhouse, how Jeremy had accused the men carrying guns who had gone to enter the house must have shot them all!

Jeremy wasn't blaming Sheila for anything, he was blaming the deaths of his entire family on the police!

The truly ironic thing is, if the truth be known, the firearm officers were responsible for the first shot that penetrated across Sheila's neck which caused the police to report her death downstairs' in the kitchen from as early as 7.35am - Jeremy was as close to the truth as any body could have been when he complained to PS Saxby that the men carrying guns who had gone toward the house had shot dead his family, because they were involved in the initial shooting of Sheila downstairs in the kitchen! It had already happened, and that's one of the reasons why Jeremy's complaint was not investigated properly or at all!

It's a very serious complaint when anybody accuses a firearms officer of shooting dead anyone, but Essex police didn't even bother to investigate any part of Jeremy's complaint, instead they set about covering it up!

 

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 06:07:PM
It had been PS Saxby who had relayed the key police radio messages timed at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am  and 8.10am, duties he had completed by the time he left his patrol car (CA07) and went to speak to Jeremy who was sat in his astra motor vehicle to break the news to him...

'two bodies found downstairs in the kitchen upon entry, and a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'...

It therefore must follow that Sheila's body was still present downstairs in the kitchen at the exact time that PS Saxby was telling Jeremy the bad news...

One dead male, one dead female in kitchen upon entry'..

A murder, and a suicide, by 7.45am

The other three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am...

Sheila was the female body being referred goat these key crucial times! She was supposed to have committed suicide by 7.45am, but if this were true how then did her body end up upstairs on top of the bed by 8.44am?

So, in a nutshell..

Sheila Caffell's body wasn't even anywhere in any upstairs bedroom at the time Jeremy was telling PS Saxby, that he believed that the men carrying the guns who had gone into the farmhouse must have shot dead all of his family, including them having shot Sheila!

However, and let's put the timing of Jeremy's complaint to PS Saxby at around 8.15am, it was almost certainly just after PS Saxby had passed the 8.10am police radio message inwhich he confirmed that a further three bodies had been found upstairs, five dead in total...

By 7.45am (half an hour or so earlier) police were talking in terms of Sheila Caffell's death downstairs in the kitchen, as a suicide, and so Sheila must have sustained the initial shot by that time! The earliest timed police message is timed at 7.35am in which there is mention of two dead bodies, the body of a man, and the body of a woman (not the body of a man mistaken for a woman)...

Now...

If Sheila did get shot across the neck downstairs in the kitchen, and was believed to have died, which for one reason or another got put down as a suicide by 7.45am, why was it felt necessary to cut everything that had occurred out of the official events prior to 8.44am, as if had never happened? That is a matter which Essex police will have to answer themselves!

In any event we know that at 8.10am, that Sheila's body was not upstairs, but that by 8.44am, it was!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 06:12:PM
What happened during that vital 34 minute period between 8.10am and 8.44am, in order for Sheila Caffell's body which had originally been present downstairs in the kitchen, to somehow materialise upstairs inside the parents bedroom, and end up 'on the far side of the bed', as confirmed by Dr Craig?

Something went wrong for sure...

Because by 8.10am there exists confirmation that the firearms team who entered the farmhouse had found a total of five dead bodies, two bodies downstairs in the kitchen (the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female) and a further three bodies found upstairs (this can only have been a reference to June Bamber and the two Child victims)..

If I am not mistaken, this contradiction requires a full explanation from Essex police...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 06:20:PM
What happened during that vital 34 minute period between 8.10am and 8.44am, in order for Sheila Caffell's body which had originally been present downstairs in the kitchen, to somehow materialise upstairs inside the parents bedroom, and end up 'on the far side of the bed', as confirmed by Dr Craig?

Something went wrong for sure...

Because by 8.10am there exists confirmation that the firearms team who entered the farmhouse had found a total of five dead bodies, two bodies downstairs in the kitchen (the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female) and a further three bodies found upstairs (this can only have been a reference to June Bamber and the two Child victims)..

If I am not mistaken, this contradiction requires a full explanation from Essex police...

What we do know, is that for one reason or another, from about 8.15am onward, that leadership of the firearms operation changed in somewhat mysterious circumstances at around this time. For example, where prior to this PS Adams had been designated Commandership of the operation, at around 8.15am he was suddenly and without reason removed from his post, and PI Montgomery took the leadership because of developments which had cropped up inside the farmhouse after 8.10am...

There is little doubt in my mind that this change in Leadership of the firearms operation at around 8.15am, onwards arose in connection with t'he disappearance of Sheila Caffell's body from the kitchen' downstairs, which ended up 'on the far side of the bed' by 8.44am...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 06:43:PM

There is little doubt in my mind that this change in Leadership of the firearms operation at around 8.15am, onwards arose in connection with t'he disappearance of Sheila Caffell's body from the kitchen' downstairs, which ended up 'on the far side of the bed' by 8.44am...

Many people who are genuinely interested at finding out the actual truth in this matter, often as me what I mean when I say that after 8.10am that Sheila's body simply vanished as if into thin air from the kitchen, and wound up on the far side of the bed in the parents bedroom by 8.44am at the latest?

They ask me whether Ian suggesting that the police carried her body from the kitchen to the bedroom, and did the Poli e place her body on the bed? Well, no they didn't carry her body from the kitchen downstairs to the parents bedroom upstairs, why would the police do that if Sheila had really been found shot dead in the kitchen by her own hand (suicide), they'd have no reason to move a dead body from one place to another place and then claim that they had found the body where they had placed it last! The true answer is that despite the police believing that Sheila had died as a result of having been shot for the first time into the neck, she was in fact still alive! She was simply unconscious and recovered sufficiently to make the shirt trip up a small set of spiral stairs to the landing above and the doorway to the parents bedroom. I do not claim to know exactly how long it had taken Sheila to get from one place downstairs to the other place upstairs but it was a relatively short journey distance wise! There was the added comfort also of the stairs she used being confined where she might have rested for a while at the bottom, half way up, or maybe even once she reach the top!

It is not difficult to imagine, that once the shout had gone out that Sheila Caffell's body had gone AWOL from the kitchen after 8.10am, that firearms officers in different parts of the farmhouse were put back into alert mode, and many of them may have started to make their way cautiously back downstairs toward the kitchen retracing their steps...

At this time, Sheila was concealed in the confined spiral staircase until she felt confident enough that the coast was clear which enabled her to skip the latch of the door at the top of the stairs and enter her parents bedroom, only for her to collapse onto the bed and go into a resumed unconsciousness. The police eventually found her there at about 8.30am, and all the while DCI Harris was on the telephone in the kitchen keeping AAC Peter Simpson updated regarding the renewed search looking for Sheila Caffell's whereabouts. At 8.44am, Dr Craig arrived and pronounced Sheila as being dead, her body at this stage 'on the far side of the bed', she had one bullet wound to her neck at that time!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 06:45:PM
Many people who are genuinely interested at finding out the actual truth in this matter, often as me what I mean when I say that after 8.10am that Sheila's body simply vanished as if into thin air from the kitchen, and wound up on the far side of the bed in the parents bedroom by 8.44am at the latest?

They ask me whether Ian suggesting that the police carried her body from the kitchen to the bedroom, and did the Poli e place her body on the bed? Well, no they didn't carry her body from the kitchen downstairs to the parents bedroom upstairs, why would the police do that if Sheila had really been found shot dead in the kitchen by her own hand (suicide), they'd have no reason to move a dead body from one place to another place and then claim that they had found the body where they had placed it last! The true answer is that despite the police believing that Sheila had died as a result of having been shot for the first time into the neck, she was in fact still alive! She was simply unconscious and recovered sufficiently to make the shirt trip up a small set of spiral stairs to the landing above and the doorway to the parents bedroom. I do not claim to know exactly how long it had taken Sheila to get from one place downstairs to the other place upstairs but it was a relatively short journey distance wise! There was the added comfort also of the stairs she used being confined where she might have rested for a while at the bottom, half way up, or maybe even once she reach the top!

It is not difficult to imagine, that once the shout had gone out that Sheila Caffell's body had gone AWOL from the kitchen after 8.10am, that firearms officers in different parts of the farmhouse were put back into alert mode, and many of them may have started to make their way cautiously back downstairs toward the kitchen retracing their steps...

At this time, Sheila was concealed in the confined spiral staircase until she felt confident enough that the coast was clear which enabled her to skip the latch of the door at the top of the stairs and enter her parents bedroom, only for her to collapse onto the bed and go into a resumed unconsciousness. The police eventually found her there at about 8.30am, and all the while DCI Harris was on the telephone in the kitchen keeping AAC Peter Simpson updated regarding the renewed search looking for Sheila Caffell's whereabouts. At 8.44am, Dr Craig arrived and pronounced Sheila as being dead, her body at this stage 'on the far side of the bed', she had one bullet wound to her neck at that time!

Dr Craig stated that the rifle was not on Sheila's body at this time, it was laying alongside her body!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 05, 2018, 08:29:PM





Like I said, he'd seen it all before so left the formalities and paperwork to his second in command after de-briefing. What we haven't seen is what he wrote concerning 4 murders and a suicide. Have you ?

I see and all this was after he'd profiled the scene?  ::) Had he 'seen it all before' he'd have known enough not to make a snap decision.

By the way Lookout, the British police force didn't do offender profiling in 1985. It was used in 1985 but it wasn't carried out by the police. They used a psychologists one of the most influential was/is Professor David Canter who helped identify and catch John Duffy - The Railway Rapist. Abother famous case is that of Rachel Nickel - that case drew the short straw with Paul Britton and we all know what happened there!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 08:37:PM
The simple truth of this matter, was (a) that Sheila Caffell's body had only a single bullet wound to her neck at the time Dr Craig pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, (b) that there was still only a single bullet entry wound to Sheila's neck by the time Stan Jones and Mick Clark had viewed Sheila's body insitu laid on top of the bed after 9.05am, but (c) before 9. 30am Sheila had been wounded by the infliction of a second bullet wound in the neck which was the cause of her death!

The Coroner's Officer, PC Wright confirming that by the time he viewed Sheila Caffell's body insitu at about 9.30am, that she had already been shot twice at that stage...

There is more, since Ron Cook (second SOCO team involved in the cover up) arrived at the scene at around 9.20am, and went into the farmhouse and viewed Sheila Caffell's body soon afterwards, and he confirms that when he saw Sheila Caffell's body that she had two bullet entry wounds to her neck!

This presents us with the following described facts concerning the total number of shots which Sheila Caffell could have received / sustained at the following key times of this shooting tragedy:-

7.35am - Sheila had been shot once, across the neck
7.37am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck
7.38am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck
7.42am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck
7.45am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck, her death being proclaimed to be by way of a suicide!

All these references relate to information contained in timed police radio message logs which place Sheila Caffell's body downstairs in the kitchen!

8.44am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck, her body is now upstairs 'on the far side of the bed'
9.05am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck, her body is laid on top of the bed, with a Bible on her chest
9.20am - Sheila now had two bullet wounds to her neck, the rifle is on her body which is now on the floor
9.30am - Sheila has two bullet entry wounds to her neck, the rifle had already been removed from the body

9.00 am - 10.00am 1st SOCO team take hundreds of photographs  (300+) covering the practice of 'informatives'
11.00am - onwards 2nd SOCO team photograph Sheila's body insitu, as staged by senior officers
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 05, 2018, 08:50:PM
All these references relate to information contained in timed police radio message logs which place Sheila Caffell's body downstairs in the kitchen!

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Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 09:03:PM
The simple truth of this matter, was (a) that Sheila Caffell's body had only a single bullet wound to her neck at the time Dr Craig pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, (b) that there was still only a single bullet entry wound to Sheila's neck by the time Stan Jones and Mick Clark had viewed Sheila's body insitu laid on top of the bed after 9.05am, but (c) before 9. 30am Sheila had been wounded by the infliction of a second bullet wound in the neck which was the cause of her death!

The Coroner's Officer, PC Wright confirming that by the time he viewed Sheila Caffell's body insitu at about 9.30am, that she had already been shot twice at that stage...

There is more, since Ron Cook (second SOCO team involved in the cover up) arrived at the scene at around 9.20am, and went into the farmhouse and viewed Sheila Caffell's body soon afterwards, and he confirms that when he saw Sheila Caffell's body that she had two bullet entry wounds to her neck!

This presents us with the following described facts concerning the total number of shots which Sheila Caffell could have received / sustained at the following key times of this shooting tragedy:-

7.35am - Sheila had been shot once, across the neck
7.37am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck
7.38am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck
7.42am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck
7.45am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck, her death being proclaimed to be by way of a suicide!

All these references relate to information contained in timed police radio message logs which place Sheila Caffell's body downstairs in the kitchen!

8.44am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck, her body is now upstairs 'on the far side of the bed'
9.05am - Sheila had been shot once across the neck, her body is laid on top of the bed, with a Bible on her chest
9.20am - Sheila now had two bullet wounds to her neck, the rifle is on her body which is now on the floor
9.30am - Sheila has two bullet entry wounds to her neck, the rifle had already been removed from the body

9.00 am - 10.00am 1st SOCO team take hundreds of photographs  (300+) covering the practice of 'informatives'
11.00am - onwards 2nd SOCO team photograph Sheila's body insitu, as staged by senior officers

What this informs all of us, is that 'it was the police's who are responsible for the death not Sheila Caffell, upstairs on the parents bedroom floor, as a result of a training exercise (known as 'informatives') which went dramatically wrong due to no-one bother to check whether or not the anshuzt rifle that was brought from its resting place leaning against the inside of a first floor box room window, into the main bedroom and put with Sheila Caffell's body for the purpose of trying to stage her death there (and not downstairs in the kitchen) as a suicide. It was a catastrophic decision in view of the rifle still having a live round in its chamber, which was fired whilst senior officers were contemplating whether it might be feasible to suggest that the shot across the neck could have been fired by the anshuzt rifle, rather than the other gun ( a .22 rifle which police recovered downstairs in the kitchen which no officer was to talk about in their notebook entries, their reports or their witness statements)!

The circumstances involving the shooting of Sheila Caffell was something of an entanglement and a somewhat convoluted affair! She was dead downstairs in the kitchen, she had committed suicide there, but she wasn't dead afterall, she hadn't committed suicide downstairs, yes she had been shot and wounded but had only been unconscious and had recovered sufficiently enough to make the short journey from the kitchen downstairs, to the bed in her parents bedroom above via a set of enclised spiral stairs! Worse still, although she made it there and after collapsing into unconsciousness again, she was pronounced as being dead at 8.44am by Dr Craig, albeit she was not dead at that time either! Sheila Caffell was alive until very shortly after 9.05am, by which time the two ambulances and crew had left the vicinity. It appears that nobody at all performed a physical examination of Sheila's body to see whether or not there were any vital signs of life...

Alive she was at 9.05am and very shortly afterwards when Stan Jones and Mick Clark visited the main bedroom and viewed her body, she looked so peaceful commented Stan Jones when he had seen Sheila laid on top of the bed with a Bible on her chest. The rifle at this time was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber, and then within minutes Jones and Clark exited the bedroom to go with Jeremy Bamber to his cottage do that they could obtain a witness statement from him...

By 9.20am with the arrival of Ron Cook at the scene, we know that Sheila had been shot twice in the neck when he viewed the body of Sheila which was by this stage in possession of the anshuzt rifle!

Cook was followed by the coroner's officer, pC Wright who arrived at the scene at 9.30am, he confirming that when he viewed Sheila's body insitu on the bedroom floor,vtyat Sheila already had two bullet entry wounds to her neck, confirming Ron Cooks account other than Cook said Sheila was holdingbtge rifle close to her body, whereas Wright stated that by 9.30am the rifle had already been removed from Sheila's body by the time (9.30am) he viewed Sheila's body!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 09:15:PM
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This information is being misused by the police and it's supporters, into trying to suggest that there had been something of a mistake whereby the sighting of a body from outside the kitchen window was reported as that of a dead female, when upon entry to the kitchen this body was found to be a dead male...

Well, for a start, the contents of the timed police radio message logs do not cover what was done or seen by any of the firearms officers prior to them physically entering the farmhouse, and once they do, the first mention of a body found inside the kitchen upon entry is that of a dead male, and the body of a dead female!

One can see that the faked witness statement contents which makes reference to a mistaken identity of a male body for a female body, is not borne out by reference to the timed log contents once the firearms officers set foot into the kitchen. It is not possible to say with any degree of certainty that an officer did or may have thought the body of Neville Bamber was in fact the body of a dead female which was corrected once the police got into the kitchen, but by paying particular attention to the wording in all the timed messages you can clearly see that there has got to have been two bodies because of the use of the word 'AND' (the body of one dead female)!

If there had been a mistake that mistake might have involved what turned out to be Neville Bambers body mistaken for the body of a dead female, recitified once entry had been made to the kitchen, but that explanation cannot be extended to the reference 'AND, the body of one dead female, because the references to the dead female in the timed police message logs come after the first body had been identified as one dead male body!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 09:27:PM
Even if we were to totally ignore the fact that Sheila's body was the dead female reported to be present in the kitchen upon entry, there still exists the glaring inconsistencies involving the fact that Sheila's body was laid on top of the bed, sporting only one bullet entry wound, she had a Bible on her chest and the rifle was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber when Stan Jones and Mick Clark visited the main bedroom at just after 9.05am - facts which they recounted to Ann Eaton and the relatives within an hour or so of leaving the main bedroom crime scene!

These facts inform us all that the police faked the crime scene, in particular the death scene of Sheila Caffell on the bedroom floor, the police choosing to stage Sheila's death as a suicide, this had got nothing whatsoever to do with Jeremy Bamber making them believe that Sheila had committed suicide - Jeremy had said no such thing, the opposite is true, poor Jeremy Bamber had accused the police of shooting dead all of his family including his sister Sheila Caffell, when Saxby had broken the news to him that all his family were dead inside  the farmhouse, a fact confirmed by PS Saxby !!!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2018, 09:36:PM
Doesn't anyone wonder why if Ann Eaton and the relatives had been told that Stan Jones and Mick Clark had seen the bodies of Sheila and June laid on top of the bed shortly after 9.05am, with a Bible on Sheila's chest and the gun resting on the bed in-between both bodies,  does not correspond with where the firearms officers said they had first stumbled upon the body of Sheila in possession of the rifle, but her body not being laid on top of the bed, but rather on the bedroom floor, with two bullet entry wounds to her neck, whereas by a reliance upon the Jones / Clark version of the events Sheila had only been shot once in the neck - Why hasn't Ann Eaton or any of these relatives spoken out publicly about any of this?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 09:35:AM
In any event, it can now be shown by reference to the bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm and right wrist area that she had fired the anshuzt rifle - the ejected and bloodstained brass cartridge cases string that part of her arm which acted as an obstruction because Sheila used her right hand to hold the end of the guns barrel, and the fingers of her left hand to activate the trigger! This phenomena can occur when the shooter is using a right handed rifle, but holding the gun on the left side of their body, left handed fingers on the trigger, right hand holding and aiming the rifles barrel...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 06, 2018, 10:01:AM
I see and all this was after he'd profiled the scene?  ::) Had he 'seen it all before' he'd have known enough not to make a snap decision.

By the way Lookout, the British police force didn't do offender profiling in 1985. It was used in 1985 but it wasn't carried out by the police. They used a psychologists one of the most influential was/is Professor David Canter who helped identify and catch John Duffy - The Railway Rapist. Abother famous case is that of Rachel Nickel - that case drew the short straw with Paul Britton and we all know what happened there!







The point was that " Taff " had seen it all before so was therefore able to " make a snap decision " and dependent on how things appeared to him and not any of us who are DISALLOWED that privilege.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 06, 2018, 12:19:PM






The point was that " Taff " had seen it all before so was therefore able to " make a snap decision " and dependent on how things appeared to him and not any of us who are DISALLOWED that privilege.

He didn't make the decison, Bamber told him how it was and he believed him. He shouldn't have! You keep talking about how the crime scene wasn't treated properly, as head of the investigation it was HIS job to make sure it was. More contradictions!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 06, 2018, 12:24:PM
In any event, it can now be shown by reference to the bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm and right wrist area that she had fired the anshuzt rifle - the ejected and bloodstained brass cartridge cases string that part of her arm which acted as an obstruction because Sheila used her right hand to hold the end of the guns barrel, and the fingers of her left hand to activate the trigger! This phenomena can occur when the shooter is using a right handed rifle, but holding the gun on the left side of their body, left handed fingers on the trigger, right hand holding and aiming the rifles barrel...

David and others think that the end of the streaks are where the blood stopped flowing.  This is what Vanezis claimed when questioned at trial.  When you see a clearer image, close-up, it becomes apparent that those 'ends' are in actual fact the source of the streaks.  Look at the group of marks that have no streaks (at the bottom).  If the streaks caused the 'ends' further up the image, then how come there are no streaks linked to the marks lower down on the image?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 06, 2018, 12:42:PM
David and others think that the end of the streaks are where the blood stopped flowing.  This is what Vanezis claimed when questioned at trial.  When you see a clearer image, close-up, it becomes apparent that those 'ends' are in actual fact the source of the streaks.  Look at the group of marks that have no streaks (at the bottom).  If the streaks caused the 'ends' further up the image, then how come there are no streaks linked to the marks lower down on the image?

I also believe that. Some of the streaks don't have the blob at the end because they are thinner and some look like smudges.

Venezis saw the body and the jury saw enlarged photographs. Photography was NOT at an early stage in 1985 and the quality would need to be of a standard whereby the jury could see detail.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 06, 2018, 01:11:PM
I also believe that. Some of the streaks don't have the blob at the end because they are thinner and some look like smudges.

Venezis saw the body and the jury saw enlarged photographs. Photography was NOT at an early stage in 1985 and the quality would need to be of a standard whereby the jury could see detail.

IMHO, we do not have sufficient information about the exact presentation of crime scene photography at trial, to back up your conclusions here.  I agree that some of the streaks are thinner than others.  Just as some indentations (i.e. those at the bottom of image) may not have been sufficiently deep to cause runs.  The images would have to be very close-up in order to spot the semi-circular cuts within the blobs. There would be no benefit to the prosecution to present images so close-up as evidence.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 01:27:PM
He didn't make the decison, Bamber told him how it was and he believed him. He shouldn't have! You keep talking about how the crime scene wasn't treated properly, as head of the investigation it was HIS job to make sure it was. More contradictions!

Jeremy told PS Saxby that he thought the police who took guns into the farmhouse had shot everyone, including SHEILA dead - according to Saxby, he responded by saying to Jeremy, that he surely didn't believe that police officers had shot anybody, or words to that effect...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 06, 2018, 01:29:PM
He didn't make the decison, Bamber told him how it was and he believed him. He shouldn't have! You keep talking about how the crime scene wasn't treated properly, as head of the investigation it was HIS job to make sure it was. More contradictions!







The investigation had been left to others who'd initially followed and believed what " Taff " had initially stated as a murder/suicide to which it had been agreed upon until SJ took over. It hadn't been a case of having believed what JB had said----just as if !------though when Jones stepped in he'd listened intently to the relatives and believed them ! Even though there'd been no evidence to back their claims but so long as Jones got a conviction that was all he'd wanted. It didn't worry him that he had nothing on JB.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 06, 2018, 01:34:PM
It was " Taff " who knew what he was doing and talking about-------not Stan Jones. No contradictions !!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 01:41:PM
David and others think that the end of the streaks are where the blood stopped flowing.  This is what Vanezis claimed when questioned at trial.  When you see a clearer image, close-up, it becomes apparent that those 'ends' are in actual fact the source of the streaks.  Look at the group of marks that have no streaks (at the bottom).  If the streaks caused the 'ends' further up the image, then how come there are no streaks linked to the marks lower down on the image?

The way I see it, the 'sources' you speak about are almost certainly impact marks that were caused on that part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / wrist when the ejected spent / bloodstained cartridge cases struck her body after she had discharged shots using the rifle, left hand to trigger, right hand on end of barrel - the rifle itself was designed for a right handed shooter, somebody who would use their right hand on the trigger, and their left hand supporting and directing the shots at a target (when used properly, the ejecting spent cartridge cases would be flung from the ejection port of the rifle in a forward / diagonal trajectory with zero possibility of them making contact with any part of the shooters body)!

In Sheila Caffell's case, she held and used the gun inappropriately, firing it and because of the awkward style she had holding and firing the gun (left hand to trigger, right hand to end of barrel) it was an Inevitable consequence that the lower part of her right arm would take the brunt of the ejecting spent cardridge cases which corresponded to each of the shot she had fired!!!

If you look closely at the 'sources' you have identified, they have a remarkable resembled to the shape, size and characteristics of a spent brass cartridge case striking that part of her right arm, initially with no blood on them leaving light bruising, but after the required reload of additional live rounds into the gun, which became contaminated with the blood of the victims that Sheila had shot, in these instances the blood contaminated brass casings which got ejected when Sheila fired the shots using the additional ammunition left bloodstained straition type markings on the lower part of her extended right arm she had been using to support and direct the barrel! The streaks of blood from the 'source' you have identified being left in the wake of the discharged cartridge case, following in its wake of its trajectory!

She definitely fired the rifle, because the position, shape, size and characteristics belonging to these bloodstained straition marks on that unique part of Sheila's body could only have been made by somebody holding the gun and firing it in a manner in which it was not supposed to be held and fired! Sheila had her right hand holding the end of the rifles barrel, and her left hand to the trigger, forcing the ejected casings to strike that part of Sheila's lower right arm / wrist - any ballistic expert worth his / her own weight in salt or gold will confirm these findings of mine! What's more, it should be relatively simple to reconstruct the same results in a controlled and scientific setting!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 06, 2018, 02:03:PM
The investigation had been left to others who'd initially followed and believed what " Taff " had initially stated as a murder/suicide to which it had been agreed upon until SJ took over. It hadn't been a case of having believed what JB had said----just as if !------though when Jones stepped in he'd listened intently to the relatives and believed them ! Even though there'd been no evidence to back their claims but so long as Jones got a conviction that was all he'd wanted. It didn't worry him that he had nothing on JB.

The scene was staged to look like murder/suicide by Jeremy Bamber. TJ didn't stick around long enough to formulate any opinion about the scene to any great degree. Having set his stall at murder/suicide, he didn't want to change because he'd have to admit he'd been wrong in the first place. However, slowly and surely, the others began to change their minds because it just didn't sit right. Why would a bunch of coppers knowingly want to frame an innocent man? The relatives turned against Jeremy very quickly and they knew him best - and thought him capable of murder.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 06, 2018, 02:04:PM
It was " Taff " who knew what he was doing and talking about-------not Stan Jones. No contradictions !!

And yet in the end, no one supported his view.

From the interrogations of Bamber, it doesn't even sound as though TJ believed Jeremy innocent after his arrest. There is talk here that he went to his grave believing Bamber innocent - what there isn't, is any evidence of it!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 02:12:PM
The scene was staged to look like murder/suicide by Jeremy Bamber. TJ didn't stick around long enough to formulate any opinion about the scene to any great degree. Having set his stall at murder/suicide, he didn't want to change because he'd have to admit he'd been wrong in the first place. However, slowly and surely, the others began to change their minds because it just didn't sit right. Why would a bunch of coppers knowingly want to frame an innocent man? The relatives turned against Jeremy very quickly and they knew him best - and thought him capable of murder.

Jeremy Bamber did not stage his sister's death scene on the main bedroom floor!

It's dishonest to suggest otherwise in light of all the inconsistencies, contradictions and ambiguities which have now surfaced!

How the hell can Jeremy Bamber have staged his sister's suicide with the gun from the first floor box room window after 7.15am?

How did Sheila's body end up on the far side of the bed (8.44am), and on the bed (after 9.05am) if Sheila's body was at all times on the main bedroom floor from as long ago as, or prior to 3.48am, which is the time the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene?

Impossible!
Impossible !
Impossible!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 06, 2018, 02:19:PM
Jeremy Bamber did not stage his sister's death scene on the main bedroom floor!

It's dishonest to suggest otherwise in light of all the inconsistencies, contradictions and ambiguities which have now surfaced!

How the hell can Jeremy Bamber have staged his sister's suicide with the gun from the first floor box room window after 7.15am?

How did Sheila's body end up on the far side of the bed (8.44am), and on the bed (after 9.05am) if Sheila's body was at all times on the main bedroom floor from as long ago as, or prior to 3.48am, which is the time the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene?

Impossible!
Impossible !
Impossible!

I believe he did and we've been over the other stuff before. You say her body was on the bed but have never shown any evidence of it.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 06, 2018, 02:37:PM
The scene was staged to look like murder/suicide by Jeremy Bamber.

This whole premise seems to be undermined by the tactical firearms officers - who complained individually and collectively on more than one occasion, that Sheila's crime scene had altered, from when they last saw it to when they were shown it in crime scene photographs.  They were effectively 'slapped down'. You can see the results of this (i.e. they eventually start to question themselves).   

This information did not come to light until many years after Jeremy's incarceration.  It wasn't available to the defence at trial. 

No information has come to light regarding the TFG questioning any other victim's crime scene.  Only Sheila Caffell's.  And low and behold - Sheila is the victim that has supposedly been 'staged'.

How could Jeremy Bamber be responsible for these anomalies?  He was outside with police.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 03:07:PM
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As everyone can see, from the contents of this composite witness statement, the police reported that they could see the body of a woman when they looked through the kitchen window prior to the door to the premises being smashed open and the police entered!

The contents of the police radio message logs deal with what was found 'after' the police entered the farmhouse, in particular, the kitchen, and later on the bedrooms upstairs..

7.35am - two bodies, a dead male, a dead female
7.37am - the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female
7.38am - one dead male, one dead female
7.42am - contact police surgeon and Coroner's officer regarding two bodies
7.45am - police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving two bodies, a murder and a suicide

8.10am - after a thorough search of the premises a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total

Now, all of these timed entries describe what was found and where the bodies were at specific times after the police entered the farmhouse! It s therefore inappropriate to suggest that cops had simply made the mistake of misidentifying Neville Bambers body for the body f a dead woman, because if that had been true the matter would have been resolved once the police entered the kitchen. Let's say that such a mistake had been made, well that mistake only related to one of the two bodies that were in the kitchen ( the body of Neville Bamber, which was thought to have been the body of a woman, who turned out to be Neville Bamber), the second body found in the kitchen was a female in its own right, it was an additional body to Neville Bambers body, mentioned after his body had been mentioned! Two bodies in the kitchen, a dead male, and a dead female, one a murder, the other a suicide! And, only three other bodies upstairs by 8.10am, and the shout going out from the scene at that time, five dead in total...

Anyone seeking to rely on the mistaken identity of Neville Bambers body for the body of a woman, as though this somehow takes care of the notion that Sheila's body was downstairs until after 8.10am, should think again, because it doesn't add up or equate with what should be the solid truth! I am prepared to accept that the body the police thought was the body of a woman when police looked into the kitchen from outside the kitchen window prior to the police forcing an entry into the farmhouse was indeed the body of Neville Bamber (right so we have got that out of the way), but there is no explanation for the presence of one dead female in the kitchen after Neville Bambers body had already been mentioned, several times! Moreover, since when would anybody describe the circumstances of Neville Bambers body as a suicide? He was shot 8 times, and was battered and bruised from pillar to post?

A woman's body / Neville Bambers body resolved upon entry to the kitchen!

Neville Bambers body, and one dead female body of which one was a murder, the other a suicide, only resolves that one of the two bodies which were present downstairs was Neville Bamber, but Neville Bamber cannot have been the two bodies referred to once police entered the kitchen! Neville Bambers body could not have been the suicide death spoken about by 7.45am - this is also of interest because we know that the reference to one of the two deaths could only be a reference to Sheila Caffell, and her body must have been the second body found in sequence before the other three bodies were found by 8.10am...

How is it possible, for the police to find Sheila Caffell's body second in sequence (the suicide by 7.45am) if her body had been one of the other three bodies not found upstairs until 8.10am?

Because, with June Bambers body propped up against the bedroom doorway (supposedly), and the two child victims in their bedroom, a bedroom separated from the main bedroom by the first floor box room, the cops inside the farmhouse would have found June Bambers body before finding Sheila Caffell's body if they went into the main bedroom after coming up the main stairs, or failing that if they didn't see June's body propped up against the bedroom door as they came up the stairs, they had gone into the children's bedroom before entering the main bedroom via the first floor box room, the police would have found the two child victims before they found Sheila's body and then June Bambers body! Whichever way you look at it, it begs the question why were the police referring to one of the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen (the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female) as a murder, and a suicide if the only death that could be described as a suicide was the death of Sheila Caffell?

The cops can't make the facts fit the circumstances, because the cops have faked the circumstances, they have been found out!

Between 7.35am and 8.10am Sheila's body was initially downstairs in the kitchen (there can be no doubt whatsoever about that), then her body ended up on top of the parents bed in the upstairs main bedroom (8.44am until around 9.10am), before being lifted off the bed and her body placed on the floor where she was shot a second time as a result of a Shooting accident at the hands of the police whilst they were carrying out a training exercise referred to as 'informatives'. The tragedy occurred because no-one had bothered to check to see if the rifle which had been brought from the first floor box room window and put to Sheila's body had a live round in its chamber! After shooting Sheila in these circumstances, the rifle was immediately removed and placed at the main bedroom window, whilst Sheila's body was rolled into the recovery position upon it's right hand side in an attempt to keep her alive! Soon afterwards when all hope of keeping her alive had vanished the police rolled Sheila's body back into the suppine position and fetched the rifle from the bedroom window and placed it on her body and arranged her hands upon the gun as if to suggest that she had taken her own life!

That is what happened...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 06, 2018, 03:40:PM
This whole premise seems to be undermined by the tactical firearms officers - who complained individually and collectively on more than one occasion, that Sheila's crime scene had altered, from when they last saw it to when they were shown it in crime scene photographs.  They were effectively 'slapped down'. You can see the results of this (i.e. they eventually start to question themselves).   

This information did not come to light until many years after Jeremy's incarceration.  It wasn't available to the defence at trial. 

No information has come to light regarding the TFG questioning any other victim's crime scene.  Only Sheila Caffell's.  And low and behold - Sheila is the victim that has supposedly been 'staged'.

How could Jeremy Bamber be responsible for these anomalies?  He was outside with police.

'Slapped down' is your interpretation, not theirs. However, you regularly have Ainsley as the main instigator, but, he was also responsible for commissioning Kenneally to review the case. Surely all Ainsley had to do was get him to conclude that Sheila couldn't have been responsible? 

How do you know the TFG have never questioned any other crime scene and they didn't really 'question' it, they were unsure a month or so later of how things looked. As far as the info we have here goes, there were two officers who wee unsure - two out of how many?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 06, 2018, 05:26:PM
'Slapped down' is your interpretation, not theirs. However, you regularly have Ainsley as the main instigator, but, he was also responsible for commissioning Kenneally to review the case. Surely all Ainsley had to do was get him to conclude that Sheila couldn't have been responsible? 

How do you know the TFG have never questioned any other crime scene and they didn't really 'question' it, they were unsure a month or so later of how things looked. As far as the info we have here goes, there were two officers who wee unsure - two out of how many?

I don't understand the point you're making re Ainsley and Kenneally.
 
It was not only two officers that were uncomfortable with the mismatch between crime scene photography and the scene as they left it. There were 'real concerns' and these were expressed as a team, not just by a couple of officers individually.

If any similar concerns had been unearthed regarding the other crime scenes, the defence and campaign would have shouted them from the rooftops as further evidence of something gone awry at the scene.

It's no coincidence therefore, that concerns expressed behind the scenes, through the correct channels and unbeknown to outsiders, just happened to relate to the 'staged' victim (or perpetrator). 
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 06, 2018, 06:24:PM
This whole premise seems to be undermined by the tactical firearms officers - who complained individually and collectively on more than one occasion, that Sheila's crime scene had altered, from when they last saw it to when they were shown it in crime scene photographs.  They were effectively 'slapped down'. You can see the results of this (i.e. they eventually start to question themselves).   

This information did not come to light until many years after Jeremy's incarceration.  It wasn't available to the defence at trial. 



It was never part of the prosecutions case in 1986 that Jeremy had moved Sheila's body after death. There was nothing for the defence to refute on this matter.

I personally believe all the discrepancies on Sheila's body is a result of the prosecution exploring this as an argument to use at the upcomming trial but chose not to play that hand because this would expose the tactical firearms officers to cross examination on this matter and the defence would easily refute it.




Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 06, 2018, 06:38:PM
I don't understand the point you're making re Ainsley and Kenneally.
 
It was not only two officers that were uncomfortable with the mismatch between crime scene photography and the scene as they left it. There were 'real concerns' and these were expressed as a team, not just by a couple of officers individually.

If any similar concerns had been unearthed regarding the other crime scenes, the defence and campaign would have shouted them from the rooftops as further evidence of something gone awry at the scene.

It's no coincidence therefore, that concerns expressed behind the scenes, through the correct channels and unbeknown to outsiders, just happened to relate to the 'staged' victim (or perpetrator).

So where is the evidence for this?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 06, 2018, 07:55:PM
So where is the evidence for this?

The mention of group concerns and 'we' (as in TFG) is Delgado / Dickinson.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 06, 2018, 08:20:PM
The mention of group concerns and 'we' (as in TFG) is Delgado / Dickinson.


We know the police moved stuff. Vanesiz was also consulted the TFG on the matter.


It was never alleged at the 1986 trial that the defendent moved the body. The "evidence" brought forward by the prosecution in 2001 was blocked on legal grounds of it allready having been avaliable to the prosecution back in 1986.


From a legal point of view there is nothing to challenge. From a factual point of view we can deduce the police moved stuff around hence the prosecution never brought this up to risk opening a can of worms.


All in all the police have actually done nothing wrong since the notion of Sheila's dead body moving after death was never blamed on Jeremy and put in front the Jury anyway. If it was then that would be another matter all together.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 06, 2018, 10:23:PM

We know the police moved stuff. Vanesiz was also consulted the TFG on the matter.


It was never alleged at the 1986 trial that the defendent moved the body. The "evidence" brought forward by the prosecution in 2001 was blocked on legal grounds of it allready having been avaliable to the prosecution back in 1986.


From a legal point of view there is nothing to challenge. From a factual point of view we can deduce the police moved stuff around hence the prosecution never brought this up to risk opening a can of worms.


All in all the police have actually done nothing wrong since the notion of Sheila's dead body moving after death was never blamed on Jeremy and put in front the Jury anyway. If it was then that would be another matter all together.

With respect, that's missing the point. The police had no reason to move Sheila prior to crime scene photography.  The fact that they did and the fact that the prosecution case relies upon the argument  Sheila's body was staged by JB, cannot be ignored.   
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 10:30:PM
I believe he did and we've been over the other stuff before. You say her body was on the bed but have never shown any evidence of it.

You misunderstand your own observations, since of course evidence exists which was not made available to the jury at the time of trial, that indeed Sheila Caffell's body had been laid on top of the bed in the main bedroom (after 9.05am), and that at 8.44am Sheila's body was undoubtedly on the far side of the bed - furthermore, the contents of my letter addressed to Jeremy Bamber which includes reference to the fact that there existed a photograph of Sheila's body laid on top of the bed alone, at a time when she had only received the non fatal shot across the neck! The prison service refused to even allow Jeremy to see the contents of my letter, or the enclosed photograph of Sheila on the bed before the second fatal shot got inflicted!

I am not alone in promoting the fact that prior to Sheila's body being moved to the main bedroom floor where she got shot and killed by a loaded rifle which at around 7.15am, was resting against a first floor box room window..

Ann Eaton and the other relatives were told about this on the first morning of the police investigation!

Before this, Sheila's had been the female body reported as present in the kitchen upon entry by the armed police, as per the contents of timed police radio message log contents! Her death was being spoken about in terms of it having been a suicide from as early as 7.45am!

You would do well to remember that it is confirmed by a reliance upon the contents of these timed police radio message logs, the the suicide is a reference to the second body found in the sequence of body count and that the second body found upon entry to the kitchen was that of the body of one dead female! You can pretend all you like that June Bambers was the second body found upstairs, but how could anyone describe the manner with which she had been killed and had died, considering that she was shot a total of 7 times (one of these 7 shots was I clicked between the eyes)!!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 10:39:PM
You misunderstand your own observations, since of course evidence exists which was not made available to the jury at the time of trial, that indeed Sheila Caffell's body had been laid on top of the bed in the main bedroom (after 9.05am), and that at 8.44am Sheila's body was undoubtedly on the far side of the bed - furthermore, the contents of my letter addressed to Jeremy Bamber which includes reference to the fact that there existed a photograph of Sheila's body laid on top of the bed alone, at a time when she had only received the non fatal shot across the neck! The prison service refused to even allow Jeremy to see the contents of my letter, or the enclosed photograph of Sheila on the bed before the second fatal shot got inflicted!

I am not alone in promoting the fact that prior to Sheila's body being moved to the main bedroom floor where she got shot and killed by a loaded rifle which at around 7.15am, was resting against a first floor box room window..

Ann Eaton and the other relatives were told about this on the first morning of the police investigation!

Before this, Sheila's had been the female body reported as present in the kitchen upon entry by the armed police, as per the contents of timed police radio message log contents! Her death was being spoken about in terms of it having been a suicide from as early as 7.45am!

You would do well to remember that it is confirmed by a reliance upon the contents of these timed police radio message logs, the the suicide is a reference to the second body found in the sequence of body count and that the second body found upon entry to the kitchen was that of the body of one dead female! You can pretend all you like that June Bambers was the second body found upstairs, but how could anyone describe the manner with which she had been killed and had died, considering that she was shot a total of 7 times (one of these 7 shots was I clicked between the eyes)!!

June Bambers death could never be described as death by suicide!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 10:47:PM
The only death which could remotely have been described as 'a suicide' was the death of Sheila Caffell, as it turned out to be, initially downstairs in the kitchen prior to 8.10am, secondly, when her body was resting on the far side of the bed, (8.44am) or as the case may be, when her body was resting on top of the bed (after 9.05am) with a Bible on her chest and the rifle resting on the bed in-between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber..

I am in no doubt that if the jury had known about these key and very crucial details, that they would have acquitted Jeremy Bamber of these murders because the overwhelming facts point to Sheila Caffell's body as being present at different locations inside the farmhouse before the people who staged her death scene on the bedroom did so, with a view to preserving their reputation, and avoiding an investigation into the conduct of the firearm officers, senior officers and SOCO in doing everything within their power and remit to present Sheila's death as a suicide!!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 10:50:PM
The only death which could remotely have been described as 'a suicide' was the death of Sheila Caffell, as it turned out to be, initially downstairs in the kitchen prior to 8.10am, secondly, when her body was resting on the far side of the bed, (8.44am) or as the case may be, when her body was resting on top of the bed (after 9.05am) with a Bible on her chest and the rifle resting on the bed in-between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber..

I am in no doubt that if the jury had known about these key and very crucial details, that they would have acquitted Jeremy Bamber of these murders because the overwhelming facts point to Sheila Caffell's body as being present at different locations inside the farmhouse before the people who staged her death scene on the bedroom did so, with a view to preserving their reputation, and avoiding an investigation into the conduct of the firearm officers, senior officers and SOCO in doing everything within their power and remit to present Sheila's death as a suicide!!

When...

If the truth be known, she had died as a result of a tragic accident which had gone dramatically wrong whilst senior officers were undertaking a training exercise known as 'informatives'...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2018, 10:54:PM
Why is it, that there does not exist any disclosed police report, or witness statement made by any of these senior officers explaining what was done during these informatives?

Furthermore, no report, or witness statement about the roles played by the first team of SOCO whilst at the same time, senior officers moved bodies and exhibits about until they were finally satisfied and staged Sheila Caffell's death as a suicide, there on the main bedroom floor - not staged by Jeremy Bamber!

The position of the adult bodies, in particular, the body of Sheila Caffell, was captured in crime scene photographs and a crime scene video by the first team of SOCO who carried out these duties between around 9.00am and 10.00am whilst senior officers including Harris, Gibbons, Wright, Jones, Miller, Cook and Montgomery / Woodcock interfered with the crime scenes downstairs in the kitchen and upstairs in the main bedroom! Now, we know that DC Henderson and DC Oakey attended the incident as the first team of SOCO on this occasion, and we now know that between them they took hundreds of crime scene photographs, and the crime scene video, and that they performed these duties at the material time when the bodies of Sheila Caffell and June Bamber were laid side by side on top of the bed, at a time when Sheila had only been shot once to the neck! It is also true that one or other of Henderson / Oakey photographed Sheila Caffell's body laid on top of the bed on her own after police had moved June Bambers body onto the floor at the bedroom doorway!

All of these police officers that I have named must have made notebook entries, written Reports and made witness statements concerning what they had seen and done during that critical one hour period inside the farmhouse between 9.00am and 10.00am, yet nothing from any of these police officers has been forthcoming and so we can safely adduce that this information and this evidence has been, and continues to be deliberately withheld!

Let's look at the total number of crime scene photographs which were deliberately withheld and concealed from Jeremy Bambers legal team and the court which tried the case in 1986, as well as the appeal of 2002...

What Essex police had by the end of September 1985 was around 581 photographs / images which formed part of an album which was known to the police and the CPS, as 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM'...

Originally this was in the possession of DCI Jones, until he was abruptly removed from leadership of the investigation because of pressure exerted onto ACC Peter Simpson at the end of the first week in September, and the eventual replacement of that list being handed to DCS Mick Ainsley. At the time Ainsley took charge of the new investigation, he wasn't given access to all 581 photographs or 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', because by that stage Peter Simpson had confiscated it, and it was kept under lick and key inside his office safe at Police Headquarters...

In its place, was introduced a fake version of all the photographs, consisting of around 223 photographs which had been selected for the purpose of supporting the argument that the firearms officers had only found Neville Bambers body downstairs in the kitchen, and the other four bodies of victims had all been found upstairs! These 223 photographs were presented and became known or referred to, as 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM'..

'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' Containing around 223 photographs was a deception introduced by Essex police as an attempt to try and conceal police involvement in the shooting and the death of Sheila Caffell at the scene! With this in mind, a total of 358 images were deemed too sensitive to ever release to Jeremy Bambers legal team, or to the court which tried the matter, and for that matter, the court of appeal (in 2092) which considered the failed appeal!

So, how did 'THE MASTER COOY ALBUM' which consisted of only 223 of the 581 photographs which had been taken come to be created?

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 06, 2018, 11:41:PM
With respect, that's missing the point. The police had no reason to move Sheila prior to crime scene photography.  The fact that they did and the fact that the prosecution case relies upon the argument  Sheila's body was staged by JB, cannot be ignored.   


No the prosecutions case relied on the silencer containing Sheila's blood group. Subsequently arguing that Sheila could not have killed herself and thus Nevills call to Jeremy only leaves one possible suspected - Jeremy.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Roch on July 07, 2018, 06:26:AM

No the prosecutions case relied on the silencer containing Sheila's blood group. Subsequently arguing that Sheila could not have killed herself and thus Nevills call to Jeremy only leaves one possible suspected - Jeremy.

Which means ergo their case is that Jeremy must have stage managed Sheila Caffell's crime scene. Except the TFG were not happy with this as depicted in crime scene images.  Which means that after they departed the crime scene but before any official photography occurred, somebody had altered the scene - which is most unusual.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 09:20:AM
Why is it, that there does not exist any disclosed police report, or witness statement made by any of these senior officers explaining what was done during these informatives?

Furthermore, no report, or witness statement about the roles played by the first team of SOCO whilst at the same time, senior officers moved bodies and exhibits about until they were finally satisfied and staged Sheila Caffell's death as a suicide, there on the main bedroom floor - not staged by Jeremy Bamber!

The position of the adult bodies, in particular, the body of Sheila Caffell, was captured in crime scene photographs and a crime scene video by the first team of SOCO who carried out these duties between around 9.00am and 10.00am whilst senior officers including Harris, Gibbons, Wright, Jones, Miller, Cook and Montgomery / Woodcock interfered with the crime scenes downstairs in the kitchen and upstairs in the main bedroom! Now, we know that DC Henderson and DC Oakey attended the incident as the first team of SOCO on this occasion, and we now know that between them they took hundreds of crime scene photographs, and the crime scene video, and that they performed these duties at the material time when the bodies of Sheila Caffell and June Bamber were laid side by side on top of the bed, at a time when Sheila had only been shot once to the neck! It is also true that one or other of Henderson / Oakey photographed Sheila Caffell's body laid on top of the bed on her own after police had moved June Bambers body onto the floor at the bedroom doorway!

All of these police officers that I have named must have made notebook entries, written Reports and made witness statements concerning what they had seen and done during that critical one hour period inside the farmhouse between 9.00am and 10.00am, yet nothing from any of these police officers has been forthcoming and so we can safely adduce that this information and this evidence has been, and continues to be deliberately withheld!

Let's look at the total number of crime scene photographs which were deliberately withheld and concealed from Jeremy Bambers legal team and the court which tried the case in 1986, as well as the appeal of 2002...

What Essex police had by the end of September 1985 was around 581 photographs / images which formed part of an album which was known to the police and the CPS, as 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM'...

Originally this was in the possession of DCI Jones, until he was abruptly removed from leadership of the investigation because of pressure exerted onto ACC Peter Simpson at the end of the first week in September, and the eventual replacement of that list being handed to DCS Mick Ainsley. At the time Ainsley took charge of the new investigation, he wasn't given access to all 581 photographs or 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', because by that stage Peter Simpson had confiscated it, and it was kept under lick and key inside his office safe at Police Headquarters...

In its place, was introduced a fake version of all the photographs, consisting of around 223 photographs which had been selected for the purpose of supporting the argument that the firearms officers had only found Neville Bambers body downstairs in the kitchen, and the other four bodies of victims had all been found upstairs! These 223 photographs were presented and became known or referred to, as 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM'..

'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' Containing around 223 photographs was a deception introduced by Essex police as an attempt to try and conceal police involvement in the shooting and the death of Sheila Caffell at the scene! With this in mind, a total of 358 images were deemed too sensitive to ever release to Jeremy Bambers legal team, or to the court which tried the matter, and for that matter, the court of appeal (in 2092) which considered the failed appeal!

So, how did 'THE MASTER COOY ALBUM' which consisted of only 223 of the 581 photographs which had been taken come to be created?

Well, PC Bird (2nd SOCO team) was asked to create it!

But he made some errors, because he included in 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' that he was ordered to create, a number of crime scene photographs which DC Oakey and DC Henderson had taken at the scene of the rifles barrel resting against the left hand side of Sheila Caffell's neck (crime scene photo's no. 25) and the anshuzt rifle which had been removed from Sheila's body after she had been shot and put at the main bedroom window (crime scene photograph no. 21)...

In his haste to create a false photographic record, so that the role played by senior officers, firearm officers and the two teams of SOCO in the cover up involving the true circumstances of how Sheila Caffell had met her end of days, PC Bird unwittingly included at least these two key photographs (21 and 25) in the wrong photographic album!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 09:45:AM
Well, PC Bird (2nd SOCO team) was asked to create it!

But he made some errors, because he included in 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' that he was ordered to create, a number of crime scene photographs which DC Oakey and DC Henderson had taken at the scene of the rifles barrel resting against the left hand side of Sheila Caffell's neck (crime scene photo's no. 25) and the anshuzt rifle which had been removed from Sheila's body after she had been shot and put at the main bedroom window (crime scene photograph no. 21)...

In his haste to create a false photographic record, so that the role played by senior officers, firearm officers and the two teams of SOCO in the cover up involving the true circumstances of how Sheila Caffell had met her end of days, PC Bird unwittingly included at least these two key photographs (21 and 25) in the wrong photographic album!

You can see the truth surrounding what PC Bird had to say in his court transcript where he makes the mistake of confirming that DC Oakey had taken photograph No. 25 which is a view of the rifles barrell resting against the left hand side of Sheila Caffell's neck! Well, if DC Oakey took that photograph he must have taken it prior to the 2nd team of SOCO took control of the crime scene and had started taking photographs of its own at just after 11.00am...

DC Oakey was therefore inside the farmhouse before the 2nd team of SOCO  entered and started taking photographs, or there was an hour long period between 10.00am and 11.00am when both teams of SOCO were present together inside the farmhouse, in particular the main bedroom, and PC Bird, DS Davidson, DC Hammersley, and Ron Cook must have observed DC Oakey taking photographs 21 and 25...

These two crime scene photographs and the time they were taken, by whom and the blunder made by PC Bird when he was asked to create the faked 'MASTER COPY ALBUM' will surely contribute significantly to the downfall of Essex police and the CPS in this miscarriage of justice!

Because, when Ron Cook testified at the trial (1986) he stated that no-one else was inside the premises after him and his team (Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird) took control of the crime scene at around 10.00 O'clock, and he said that nothing was moved until after PC Bird had taken all of his photographs of a particular room inside the building! He also testified saying that no-one else was allowed into the premises unless invited by himself, and he mentioned that after he had removed the rifle from Sheila's body how he had handed it to PI Montgomery to make it safe, and how Cook himself had placed the rifle at the main bedroom window (21) after which PC bird had photographed it there...

Well, Ron Cook could not have placed the rifle there at the main bedroom window (21) and PC Bird could not have captured it there because PC Bird could not have taken photograph number 21 of the rifle resting at the main bedroom window, because DC Oakey had taken that photograph (21) prior to him also taking photograph number 25 of the rifles barrel resting against the left hand side of Sheila Caffell's neck which has the two bullet entry wounds clearly visible and fresh looking blood running and pouring from the most recent wound!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 09:51:AM
... when Ron Cook testified at the trial (1986) he stated that no-one else was inside the premises after him and his team (Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird) took control of the crime scene at around 10.00 O'clock, and he said that nothing was moved until after PC Bird had taken all of his photographs of a particular room inside the building! He also testified saying that no-one else was allowed into the premises unless invited by himself, and he mentioned that after he had removed the rifle from Sheila's body how he had handed it to PI Montgomery to make it safe, and how Cook himself had placed the rifle at the main bedroom window (21) after which PC bird had photographed it there...

Well, Ron Cook could not have placed the rifle there at the main bedroom window (21) and PC Bird could not have captured it there because PC Bird could not have taken photograph number 21 of the rifle resting at the main bedroom window, because DC Oakey had taken that photograph (21) prior to him also taking photograph number 25 of the rifles barrel resting against the left hand side of Sheila Caffell's neck which has the two bullet entry wounds clearly visible and fresh looking blood running and pouring from the most recent wound!

Here, just look at this photograph (25) for a moment and after I have said what I have said you will automatically realise that PC Bird and Ron Cook committed a very serious act of perjury whilst testifying which supports the case for the police having been involved in a cover up surrounding Sheila Caffell's death circumstances and how the police supposedly had found her body when they first entered the farmhouse!!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 07, 2018, 10:12:AM
Which means ergo their case is that Jeremy must have stage managed Sheila Caffell's crime scene.


Indeed its a logical deduction based on the silencer. Take the silencer away then they have no case. It all falls apart.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 10:15:AM
By the time photograph 25 was taken something rather astonishing must have occurred which the police in their haste to cover up what was done by them failed to consider the implications highlighted in the presentation of this particular crime scene image, which according to PC Birds testimony (photo' no.25) was taken by DC Oakey - the remarkable features which spring to mind, involve the freshness of the blood which has only just started to coagulate along the edges of the blood flows, but more importantly that Sheila's body must have already been and had very recently been rolled onto its right hand side in the recovery position prior to this photograph (25) having been taken! The barrel of the rifle as seen in this photograph (25) cannot have been resting against the left hand side of Sheila's neck when she was in the recovery position, the gun would have been removed from her body, or if not it would have fallen off her body at that time!

Because of the relatively freshness of the blood flow as seen on the neck in this image (25), it means that it must have been the police who had placed her body into the recovery position upon it's right hand side, prior to this photograph (25) having been taken!

This in turn, confirms by reference to the sequence with which the photographs were taken, (21 taken before 25) that the photograph of the rifle resting at the main bedroom window (21) was taken before the rifles barrel was photographed resting against Sheila's neck (25) and therefore Ron Cook could not have placed the rifle there at the main bedroom window as seen in photo's no.21, because he wasn't even in control of the crime scene at the time photographs 21 and 25 had been taken! Similarly, PC Bird could not possibly have taken photograph number 21 of the rifle resting at the main bedroom window in accordance with his testimony to that effect, because PC Bird did not start taking any crime scene photographs until after 11.00am, and by that stage DC Oakey had already taken photograph numbers 25 and 21...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 10:25:AM
As I say, the sequence with which these two particular crime scene photographs (21 and 25, or vice versa) serve to show that the police did stage Sheila Caffell's death scene on the main bedroom floor, something which they have blamed Jeremy Bamber for having done! Moreover, if the silencer was fitted to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle at the time the 2nd fatal shot was inflicted by the police, they knew about it right from the very moment that they shot and killed her there on the bedroom floor!

I am no fool, everything points towards a police conspiracy intended to cover up the true circumstances surrounding how Sheila Caffell died inside whf - the police have known right from the beginning that Jeremy Bamber did not shoot dead his sister there on the bedroom floor and they also knew right from the first day that Jeremy Bamber had not staged his sister's death as a suicide! It was the police themselves who created the 'staged suicide' of his sister!!!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 10:38:AM
If the silencer, any silencer was used in the shootings, in particular either shooting of Sheila Caffell, then it is impossible for the relatives to be attributed as the people who found it three days later inside a box in a cupboard under the stairs in the downstairs office!

The cops had to have known about the use of a silencer on the first morning of the investigation, it's impossible for them not to have known, and they did know!

As I say, if a silencer was on the end of the anshuzt rifles barrel when shot two was fired into Sheila Caffell's neck, the cops knew about it, and if they knew about it, why have they lied about knowing about it?

Based on what Jeremy has said over the years, and in particular on all the occasions we used to speak about it, I am almost entirely now satisfied that when Jeremy handled the anshuzt rifle on the evening before the tragedy, that there was no silencer attached to the rifles barrel on that occasion, when he left it on the settle in the back entrance way. This leads me to conclude, that if a silencer had been used when Sheila had been shot, that this could only have occurred at the time she was shot downstairs in the kitchen (the 1st non fatal neck wound) and that the other rifle found downstairs that the police and CPS are being so secretive about, had a silencer fitted to its barrel!

The rifle found downstairs is so obviously a different rifle to the anshuzt rifle seen at the first floor box room window, which was subsequently placed with Sheila's body, and through a terrible accident inflicted the 2nd fatal shot after Sheila's body had been moved there from on top of the bed!

Jeremy Bamber is innocent, he did not shoot his sister dead, he did not stage her death scene! What the police and the CPS have done to him is despicable and cowardly!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 10:45:AM

Indeed its a logical deduction based on the silencer. Take the silencer away then they have no case. It all falls apart.

Really? According to you, the powers that be have accepted that the silencer wasn't used at the last submissions!  ::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 07, 2018, 11:27:AM
Really? According to you, the powers that be have accepted that the silencer wasn't used at the last submissions!  ::)

Wasn't used in what respect? Not used when the fatal shots were inflicted on Sheila or not used at all?

As I have already pointed out the argument now is that silencer was used in Kitchen.

"That question again has resolved into a narrow issue as to whether, when the fatal shot was fired in the kitchen at the father, Mr Bamber senior, the rifle used had on it a silencer, it being accepted that if there was a silencer on it at that time the prospects of the sister being the murderer were nil."



The so called "powers that be" know this case is a sham. Just because they put on a facade of confidence and rectitude does not really bother me TBH.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 11:55:AM
Wasn't used in what respect? Not used when the fatal shots were inflicted on Sheila or not used at all?

As I have already pointed out the argument now is that silencer was used in Kitchen.

"That question again has resolved into a narrow issue as to whether, when the fatal shot was fired in the kitchen at the father, Mr Bamber senior, the rifle used had on it a silencer, it being accepted that if there was a silencer on it at that time the prospects of the sister being the murderer were nil."



The so called "powers that be" know this case is a sham. Just because they put on a facade of confidence and rectitude does not really bother me TBH.

You keep telling people what they think when you have no idea. You think it makes your argument stronger but it doesn't. You use terms like 'and you know it' - that's simply your wishful thinking and the case doesn't hinge on what bothers you and what doesn't.

The case doesn't rest on the silencer alone, there is also the testimony of Julie Mugford. You may not like that fact, but there it is.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2018, 11:59:AM
If the silencer, any silencer was used in the shootings, in particular either shooting of Sheila Caffell, then it is impossible for the relatives to be attributed as the people who found it three days later inside a box in a cupboard under the stairs in the downstairs office!

The cops had to have known about the use of a silencer on the first morning of the investigation, it's impossible for them not to have known, and they did know!

As I say, if a silencer was on the end of the anshuzt rifles barrel when shot two was fired into Sheila Caffell's neck, the cops knew about it, and if they knew about it, why have they lied about knowing about it?

Based on what Jeremy has said over the years, and in particular on all the occasions we used to speak about it, I am almost entirely now satisfied that when Jeremy handled the anshuzt rifle on the evening before the tragedy, that there was no silencer attached to the rifles barrel on that occasion, when he left it on the settle in the back entrance way. This leads me to conclude, that if a silencer had been used when Sheila had been shot, that this could only have occurred at the time she was shot downstairs in the kitchen (the 1st non fatal neck wound) and that the other rifle found downstairs that the police and CPS are being so secretive about, had a silencer fitted to its barrel!

The rifle found downstairs is so obviously a different rifle to the anshuzt rifle seen at the first floor box room window, which was subsequently placed with Sheila's body, and through a terrible accident inflicted the 2nd fatal shot after Sheila's body had been moved there from on top of the bed!

Jeremy Bamber is innocent, he did not shoot his sister dead, he did not stage her death scene! What the police and the CPS have done to him is despicable and cowardly!
This begs the question whether Jeremy intended to use the silencer at all, and if he did at what stage did he decide he would use it? Did he keep it in the den to be retrieved after entry into the kitchen or was it concealed on his person upon leaving the Farm on the Tuesday night?

I'm not sure which other rifle you mean came into play on the Wednesday morning.


Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2018, 12:01:PM
You keep telling people what they think when you have no idea. You think it makes your argument stronger but it doesn't. You use terms like 'and you know it' - that's simply your wishful thinking and the case doesn't hinge on what bothers you and what doesn't.

The case doesn't rest on the silencer alone, there is also the testimony of Julie Mugford. You may not like that fact, but there it is.
Yes and silencers can be screwed on and unscrewed. It is worth remarking, however, that Julie never did mention a silencer in her statements.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 07, 2018, 12:34:PM
One thing I do know and that was during Sheila's marriage in 1977 up until 1982 when she and Colin were divorced she was a normal housewife and mother. It was after this time that things were starting to go downhill.  What caused this suddenly to happen in 1982 ? Schizophrenia doesn't happen overnight ? It takes a long time to manifest itself, more than the three years for the diagnosis which was given. Sheila's first visit to clinic was in 1982,after the divorce ? Nobody copes with that 100% !

Psychosis itself can " appear " when required dependent on circumstances and it can also disappear at will as an instantaneous reaction. It's the brain's natural reaction to stress to act compulsively.

Sheila's depressive state led her to commit the most heinous of crimes during this time as in manic/mania, a risk with her problem that she'd felt must be carried out immediately. Sheila's thoughts on this had dwelt on death and the afterlife taking her psychosis to another level from reality.

Children with temper tantrums show momentary psychosis.

If only Sheila hadn't been given such a powerful and dangerous drug.


 
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2018, 12:51:PM
One thing I do know and that was during Sheila's marriage in 1977 up until 1982 when she and Colin were divorced she was a normal housewife and mother. It was after this time that things were starting to go downhill.  What caused this suddenly to happen in 1982 ? Schizophrenia doesn't happen overnight ? It takes a long time to manifest itself, more than the three years for the diagnosis which was given. Sheila's first visit to clinic was in 1982,after the divorce ? Nobody copes with that 100% !

Psychosis itself can " appear " when required dependent on circumstances and it can also disappear at will as an instantaneous reaction. It's the brain's natural reaction to stress to act compulsively.

Sheila's depressive state led her to commit the most heinous of crimes during this time as in manic/mania, a risk with her problem that she'd felt must be carried out immediately. Sheila's thoughts on this had dwelt on death and the afterlife taking her psychosis to another level from reality.

Children with temper tantrums show momentary psychosis.

If only Sheila hadn't been given such a powerful and dangerous drug.
According to Sheila she felt a loss of control on her modelling assignment in Japan and asked Colin to arrange an appointment with a psychiatrist upon her return. Was this the turning point, when she realized the hidden agenda of the employer, namely that she was to offer extra favours to clients at the end of the day as recompense? Remember she'd had one near-miss experience as a hitchhiker as a schoolgirl, still vivid in her memory,though fortunately had been able to extricate herself from her assailant. One wonders whether this incident drew her closer to her husband, or whether she could have lived with anybody in close propinquity (the case of Mary Parkinson springs to mind), and of course as soon as the recreational drugs started she was on a downward trajectory which led to hospitalization, medically-administered drugs and a further loss of self-esteem and control.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 01:50:PM
This begs the question whether Jeremy intended to use the silencer at all if he had been the killer of the other four victims do you mean?, and if he did at what stage did he decide he would use it? I believe the silencer was on the second rifles barrel, the one that was captured in a crime scene photograph taken downstairs in the kitchen which was almost certainly the gun which had fired the initial non fatal shot (bullet PV/20) into and across Sheila Caffell's neck! I was led to believe that the rifle in question belonged to Essex police, but it now looks to have been Anthony Pargeters Brno .22 bolt action rifle and its silencer, which was subject of a Struggle between a police officer and Sheila in the kitchen just prior to 7.35am,  as the officer came around the opening edge of an internal kitchen back passage doorway...Did he keep it in the den to be retrieved after entry into the kitchen no, the silencer to the anshuzt rifle wasn't used in the shootings, only by the relatives on 11th September 1985, when the relatives introduced it to replace Anthony Pargeters silencer which a month previously Peter Eaton had handed over to stan Jones! or was it concealed on his person upon leaving the Farm on the Tuesday night? no, it wasn't for all the reasons mentioned above!

I'm not sure which other rifle you mean came into play on the Wednesday morning. Well, that's because the police officers who knew about the existence and use of the second rifle / silencer were given instructions not to make any mention of it in their notebooks, reports or in their witness statements...

but...

DS Davidson mentions the rifle in question during his COLP interview, where he explains why Ron Cook had given him a paint sample taken from the kitchen aga bearing the exhibit reference 'RC/1'  at the scene on the 8th August 1985 - Davidson told COLP that some paint had been found ingrained into the end of this guns barrel!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 03:13:PM
Bearing in mind that the photograph (21) showing the rifle at the main bedroom window was taken prior to the photograph which shows the barrel of the same rifle resting against the left side of Sheila Caffell's neck (25), it is worth noting that the items stacked up on the chair in the foreground include the bed cover...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 07, 2018, 03:44:PM
One thing I do know and that was during Sheila's marriage in 1977 up until 1982 when she and Colin were divorced she was a normal housewife and mother. It was after this time that things were starting to go downhill.  What caused this suddenly to happen in 1982 ? Schizophrenia doesn't happen overnight ? It takes a long time to manifest itself, more than the three years for the diagnosis which was given. Sheila's first visit to clinic was in 1982,after the divorce ? Nobody copes with that 100% !

Psychosis itself can " appear " when required dependent on circumstances and it can also disappear at will as an instantaneous reaction. It's the brain's natural reaction to stress to act compulsively.

Sheila's depressive state led her to commit the most heinous of crimes during this time as in manic/mania, a risk with her problem that she'd felt must be carried out immediately. Sheila's thoughts on this had dwelt on death and the afterlife taking her psychosis to another level from reality.

Children with temper tantrums show momentary psychosis.

If only Sheila hadn't been given such a powerful and dangerous drug.

I don’t think the drug she was prescribed was dangerous nor did it contribute to her shooting the family. However Cannabis and Cocaine certainly wouldent help. Both can trigger psychosis.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 07, 2018, 04:30:PM
I don’t think the drug she was prescribed was dangerous nor did it contribute to her shooting the family. However Cannabis and Cocaine certainly wouldent help. Both can trigger psychosis.






Sheila's state of mind and the sudden reduction of her medication would certainly have exacerbated her problem and would have had the opposite effect for which it was meant without cannabis and cocaine which had been taken days before------though we don't know how long she'd been taking drugs over what period of time in which to do damage. Drugs taken with medication reduces the effect of prescribed drugs anyway so a lot depends on how long Sheila used cannabis for her system to have got used to it.

By all accounts Sheila hadn't neglected herself like a lot of schizophrenics do as she'd been healthy and " well-nourished " as was stated by Vanezis in his report. Schizophrenics that I've known and who I know don't look after themselves properly physically and certainly not nutritionally. This is why I've never thought Sheila as being schizophrenic, instead,a manic depressive would have been my description/diagnosis of her. Anyone can have a meltdown ( psychosis ) and not necessarily have schizophrenia with the majority knowing its limits but in Sheila's case so much had gone on in her short life that she'd reached breaking point beyond what she'd have seen as reality and her complete lack of being able to adjust to the problems surrounding her.

It's a sad fact of today that young people in their mid to late 20's find it difficult to adjust to adult life.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 05:32:PM
Yes and silencers can be screwed on and unscrewed. It is worth remarking, however, that Julie never did mention a silencer in her statements.

I don't think he used the silencer Steve.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 07, 2018, 05:36:PM
Yes and silencers can be screwed on and unscrewed. It is worth remarking, however, that Julie never did mention a silencer in her statements.






Neither did AE in one of her statements ! Considering her brother had " found " it.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2018, 06:15:PM





Sheila's state of mind and the sudden reduction of her medication would certainly have exacerbated her problem and would have had the opposite effect for which it was meant without cannabis and cocaine which had been taken days before------though we don't know how long she'd been taking drugs over what period of time in which to do damage. Drugs taken with medication reduces the effect of prescribed drugs anyway so a lot depends on how long Sheila used cannabis for her system to have got used to it.

By all accounts Sheila hadn't neglected herself like a lot of schizophrenics do as she'd been healthy and " well-nourished " as was stated by Vanezis in his report. Schizophrenics that I've known and who I know don't look after themselves properly physically and certainly not nutritionally. This is why I've never thought Sheila as being schizophrenic, instead,a manic depressive would have been my description/diagnosis of her. Anyone can have a meltdown ( psychosis ) and not necessarily have schizophrenia with the majority knowing its limits but in Sheila's case so much had gone on in her short life that she'd reached breaking point beyond what she'd have seen as reality and her complete lack of being able to adjust to the problems surrounding her.

It's a sad fact of today that young people in their mid to late 20's find it difficult to adjust to adult life.

It's difficult to say with certainty how the medication affected her mental and physical state but the drowsiness she experienced was a side effect, which is why she would stay in bed in the mornings and the twins were late for school. Under those circumstances I would have thought the reduction in the Haloperidol was appropriate. It has been said that she was a recovering anorexic and I think ironically it was June keeping an eye on her which kept her going, even though the daughter cherished her independence, though in actuality not independent at all.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 06:34:PM
Nothing whatsoever was mentioned about the bloodstained straition marks on Sheila Caffell's lower right arm and her wrist during the trial - this was because the photographs containing this evidence were not disclosed by Essex police and the CPS - if the photographic evidence had been disclosed there would have been expert evidence from a ballistics expert confirming what had caused these markings on that unique part of Sheila Caffell's anatomy! I bet a pound to a penny that the prosecution's own ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, and the Pathologist, Peter Venezis never saw the photographs with the bloodstained straition marking on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm caused by the ejecting spent cartridge casings when she was firing the gun at the other victims!

But...

Firearms officers and senior officers who were present at the scene, and the SOCO officer's who took the photographs of those marks were left in no doubt regarding the significance of those markings there!

Sheila did fire the rifle...

She had fired it several times, and the evidence that she did and that she had is there for all to see, on the lower part of her right arm / wrist!

Some of the ejected brass cartridge casings were not contaminated with blood because these had been loaded prior to anyone being shot at - the ejected casings from these live rounds would merely have struck the lower part of Sheila's lower right arm causing light bruising upon impact!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 07, 2018, 06:45:PM
It's difficult to say with certainty how the medication affected her mental and physical state but the drowsiness she experienced was a side effect, which is why she would stay in bed in the mornings and the twins were late for school. Under those circumstances I would have thought the reduction in the Haloperidol was appropriate. It has been said that she was a recovering anorexic and I think ironically it was June keeping an eye on her which kept her going, even though the daughter cherished her independence, though in actuality not independent at all.






I'm of the understanding that this tragedy was a psychological killing committed by Sheila while the balance of her mind was disturbed. Nobody would have seen it coming except perhaps for Colin as he uttered the words " she's finally done it ". We'll never know why he'd been refused to alter his statement which could well have perhaps explained more about her behaviour pre-murders. These are my thoughts.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 06:47:PM
When she fired the anshuzt rifle, she mishandled it, through using the fingers of her left hand on the trigger, with her right hand under the end of the guns barrel supporting the weapon there, and directing shots at victims!

The anshuzt rifle was designed for a right handed shooter!

If the anshuzt rifle had been designed for a left handed shooter, there would have not been this bloodstained straition markings of her lower right arm / wrist - this is because in those circumstances the ejecting spent cartridge cases would have been flung from the ejection port on the left hand side of the gun involving a trajectory which would take the ejected brass casings away from any part of the shooters anatomy, in the same way that had the shooter in this tragedy been right handed, there would be no possibility of any ejecting cartridge case striking any part of the shooters body!

But Sheila held the rifle as though she was left handed, and when she fired the bullets at the victims the ejected cartridge cases associated with the bullets that she was firing in the gun, struck that unique part of her lower right arm / wrist!

DCI Jones knew it, so did Harris, Gibbons, Wright, Montgomery, Miller, Cook and Peter Simpson!

Furthermore, Peter Eaton (a registered firearms dealer) would also know this if he was ever told about the bloodstained straition marks on that unique part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / wrist...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2018, 06:52:PM





I'm of the understanding that this tragedy was a psychological killing committed by Sheila while the balance of her mind was disturbed. Nobody would have seen it coming except perhaps for Colin as he uttered the words " she's finally done it ". We'll never know why he'd been refused to alter his statement which could well have perhaps explained more about her behaviour pre-murders. These are my thoughts.
But that wasn't in his statement. The only thing Colin complained of was an ambiguous reference to the pronoun "he", which could have changed the meaning to "Jeremy had had a raw deal with the family" from the intended Colin had had the raw deal.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2018, 06:53:PM
Nothing whatsoever was mentioned about the bloodstained straition marks on Sheila Caffell's lower right arm and her wrist during the trial - this was because the photographs containing this evidence were not disclosed by Essex police and the CPS - if the photographic evidence had been disclosed there would have been expert evidence from a ballistics expert confirming what had caused these markings on that unique part of Sheila Caffell's anatomy! I bet a pound to a penny that the prosecution's own ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, and the Pathologist, Peter Venezis never saw the photographs with the bloodstained straition marking on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm caused by the ejecting spent cartridge casings when she was firing the gun at the other victims!

But...

Firearms officers and senior officers who were present at the scene, and the SOCO officer's who took the photographs of those marks were left in no doubt regarding the significance of those markings there!

Sheila did fire the rifle...

She had fired it several times, and the evidence that she did and that she had is there for all to see, on the lower part of her right arm / wrist!

Some of the ejected brass cartridge casings were not contaminated with blood because these had been loaded prior to anyone being shot at - the ejected casings from these live rounds would merely have struck the lower part of Sheila's lower right arm causing light bruising upon impact!
I don't see how the ejection of the bullets could have caused these marks.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 07:27:PM
I'm of the understanding that this tragedy was a psychological killing committed by Sheila while the balance of her mind was disturbed. Nobody would have seen it coming except perhaps for Colin as he uttered the words " she's finally done it ". We'll never know why he'd been refused to alter his statement which could well have perhaps explained more about her behaviour pre-murders. These are my thoughts.

WE certainly won't - given that he wasn't refused anything of the sort!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 07, 2018, 07:37:PM
WE certainly won't - given that he wasn't refused anything of the sort!






He'd been refused to change his statement. It's been on the forum often enough.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 07:42:PM
Sheila's state of mind and the sudden reduction of her medication would certainly have exacerbated her problem and would have had the opposite effect for which it was meant without cannabis and cocaine which had been taken days before------though we don't know how long she'd been taking drugs over what period of time in which to do damage. Drugs taken with medication reduces the effect of prescribed drugs anyway so a lot depends on how long Sheila used cannabis for her system to have got used to it.

By all accounts Sheila hadn't neglected herself like a lot of schizophrenics do as she'd been healthy and " well-nourished " as was stated by Vanezis in his report. Schizophrenics that I've known and who I know don't look after themselves properly physically and certainly not nutritionally. This is why I've never thought Sheila as being schizophrenic, instead,a manic depressive would have been my description/diagnosis of her. Anyone can have a meltdown ( psychosis ) and not necessarily have schizophrenia with the majority knowing its limits but in Sheila's case so much had gone on in her short life that she'd reached breaking point beyond what she'd have seen as reality and her complete lack of being able to adjust to the problems surrounding her.

It's a sad fact of today that young people in their mid to late 20's find it difficult to adjust to adult life.

There was no trace of cocaine! And her reduction in haloperidol wouldn't have had the opposite effect. She still had a moderate dose in her system so like it or not, it was doing it's job! And Ferguson makes it clear that cannabis and cocaine would have no effect of haloperidol. What makes you think you're qualified to make such a diagnosis on a woman you have never even met over and above a 'qualified psychiatrist' who had?

I think you missed out the word 'some' from you last sentence.

By the way, has it escaped your memory that Jeremy was  heavy cannabis user?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 07:45:PM





He'd been refused to change his statement. It's been on the forum often enough.

Completely WRONG! Steve has explained the issue with Colin's statement and it was changed!

But that wasn't in his statement. The only thing Colin complained of was an ambiguous reference to the pronoun "he", which could have changed the meaning to "Jeremy had had a raw deal with the family" from the intended Colin had had the raw deal.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 07, 2018, 08:00:PM
There was no trace of cocaine! And her reduction in haloperidol wouldn't have had the opposite effect. She still had a moderate dose in her system so like it or not, it was doing it's job! And Ferguson makes it clear that cannabis and cocaine would have no effect of haloperidol. What makes you think you're qualified to make such a diagnosis on a woman you have never even met over and above a 'qualified psychiatrist' who had?

I think you missed out the word 'some' from you last sentence.

By the way, has it escaped your memory that Jeremy was  heavy cannabis user?






Well of course JB was a heavy cannabis user--------it goes without saying  ::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 08:02:PM
I don't see how the ejection of the bullets could have caused these marks.

Of course she did...

Sheila had held the rifle on the left side of her body, fingers of left hand on the trigger, with her right hand supporting and directing the barrel at victims - the ejecting cartridge cases escape from the rifle via the ejection port which is situated on the right hand side of the rifle. The extended right arm / right hand which is holding the barrel end of the gun and directing the shots she fired, turns into a physical obstruction for the trajectory of the escaping bloodstained cartridge cases, which Sheila had to load into the rifle in order to carry out the killings of the other four victims!

The extracted bloodstained spent cartridge cases would have struck that unique part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm /wrist in the manner shown!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 07, 2018, 08:15:PM
WE certainly won't - given that he wasn't refused anything of the sort!






Over 3 years ago I was given information about Colin having written to EP after the murders suggesting what could have triggered Sheila's behaviour on the night of the tragedy. This letter should still be in the hands of EP and would have been by way of an addendum to his statement and this is what EP had refused.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 08:29:PM
Over 3 years ago I was given information about Colin having written to EP after the murders suggesting what could have triggered Sheila's behaviour on the night of the tragedy. This letter should still be in the hands of EP and would have been by way of an addendum to his statement and this is what EP had refused.

I wouldn't take any notice of what some people here tell you Lookout.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 07, 2018, 10:12:PM
Sheila was right handed.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 10:15:PM
Sheila was right handed.

I've already said that.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 07, 2018, 10:18:PM
I've already said that.

90% of this topic/thread I haven't bothered to read.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 10:34:PM
I've already said that.

But she held the rifle as though she was left handed, fingers of left hand at trigger, right hand at or close to end of barrel, hence why the bloodstained straition marks were produced on the vital unique part of her lower right arm / wrist as a result of the bloodstained brass cartridge cases striking that part of Sheila's anatomy because it was a physical obstruction in the path and trajectory of the ejected cartridge cases! You can even see very clearly the shape, size, and characteristics of at least one ejected bloodstained brass cartridge case having struck that unique part of Sheila Caffell's arm - how much more proof does anyone need that Sheila did fire the gun?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 10:38:PM
You cannot ignore the significance of this compelling evidence!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 07, 2018, 10:42:PM
But she held the rifle as though she was left handed, fingers of left hand at trigger, right hand at or close to end of barrel, hence why the bloodstained straition marks were produced on the vital unique part of her lower right arm / wrist as a result of the bloodstained brass cartridge cases striking that part of Sheila's anatomy because it was a physical obstruction in the path and trajectory of the ejected cartridge cases! You can even see very clearly the shape, size, and characteristics of at least one ejected bloodstained brass cartridge case having struck that unique part of Sheila Caffell's arm - how much more proof does anyone need that Sheila did fire the gun?


The gun had a shell deflector. This made all the cases fly forward and not into the shooter.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 10:43:PM
You cannot ignore the significance of this compelling evidence!

As things stand, there is no unofficial or official explanation for the presence of these bloodstained straition markings on the lower parts of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / right wrist, from any pathologist, ballistic expert,  or police officer involved at the scene!

What I am telling everyone is that these bloodstained straition markings were caused by the bloodstained brass cartridge cases that Sheila had loaded into the gun, were ejected each time she fired a shot at one of the victims and that the ejected bloodstained brass cartridge struck Sheila's lower right arm / wrist each time a bloodstained spent cartridge case was automatically eje ted from the rifle via the ejection port on the right hand side of the rifle!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2018, 11:03:PM
But she held the rifle as though she was left handed, fingers of left hand at trigger, right hand at or close to end of barrel, hence why the bloodstained straition marks were produced on the vital unique part of her lower right arm / wrist as a result of the bloodstained brass cartridge cases striking that part of Sheila's anatomy because it was a physical obstruction in the path and trajectory of the ejected cartridge cases! You can even see very clearly the shape, size, and characteristics of at least one ejected bloodstained brass cartridge case having struck that unique part of Sheila Caffell's arm - how much more proof does anyone need that Sheila did fire the gun?
I think Jeremy wrapped her hand around the gun for either one or both of the final shots.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 11:10:PM

The gun had a shell deflector. This made all the cases fly forward and not into the shooter.

I was present at Birdwell armoury be Barnsley when test firing of an exact duplicate .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle was test fired, using Eley .22lr subsonic hollow point ammunition, both with and without a 17 baffled Parker hale silencer was fitted to the gun! At the time of these test firings, the shooter was right handed. The rifle itself was a right handed designed weapon. When the shooter fired a round a corresponding brass cartridge case was ejected from the rifle, at a forward angle of between  45° /60° to the right hand side of the shooter - none of the ejected cartridge cases struck any part of the shooter firing the rifle on these occasions! This was because the right handed shooter used the fingers of his right hand at the trigger, with the left hand supporting the barrel of the gun and in directing it at a target! The rifle was held on the right hand side of the shooters body at shoulder height..

However, it was demonstrated tome what might happen again if a left handed shooter fired the same rifle with the fingers of their left hand at the trigger, and their extended right arm and right hand supporting and aiming the barrel of a right hand designed rifle - when this occurred the shooter used the fingers of their left hand at the trigger, and their extended right arm / right hand supporting the barrel and aiming it! The gun was held on the left hand side of the shooters body in the region of the left armpit / left shoulder!

In the latter instance the ejected spent cartridge cases frequently struck the exposed shooters lower right arm / right wrist area of the shooter, leaving feint bruising marks on that part of the shooters arm!

So you are mistaken when you say that because of a deflector which accompanies the ejection port that ejecting brass cartridge cases could not strike a shooter, which is only true in cases where a right handed shooter is firing a right handed design rifle, but when the same rifle is used and fired by a left handed shooter, the phenomena displayed on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / right wrist occurred!

These visible bloodstained markings / straition marks which are present on Sheila's owner right arm /right wrist are a unique phenomena, which only occurred when a left handed shooter fired a rifle such as the .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle, handling it differently than the way it is supposed to be handled safely!

Sheila Caffell definitely fired the rifle, those bloodstained straition marks were made on that unique part of her lower right arm / right wrist because she handled the weapon, fingers of left hand to trigger, extended right arm and right wrist supporting the barrel and aiming it! When she held the gun like this, the ejecting brass cartridge cases were flung against the lower part of her right arm and right wrist, because she held the rifle on the left side of her body at left shoulder height - the ejecting cartridge cases were flung forward and to the right due to the deflector you have spoken about, hence even more reason why Sheila's extended right arm, hand sustainable ed those impact marks...

With the ejection port and it's deflector on the right hand side of the rifle, it becomes clear that the anshuzt rifle was designed for use by a right handed shooter, fingers of right hand at trigger, left hand supporting and aiming the guns barrel, with the general position of the rifle being held on the right of the shooters body at right shoulder level...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2018, 11:13:PM
I think Jeremy wrapped her hand around the gun for either one or both of the final shots.

This cannot be true, because the bloodstained straition marks that are visibly present on that unique part of Sheila's lower right arm / right wrist amount to several bloodstained cartridge cases striking that unique part of her lower right arm / right wrist!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: David1819 on July 07, 2018, 11:30:PM
I think Jeremy wrapped her hand around the gun for either one or both of the final shots.

lol
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 12:15:AM
Here, I am using my walking aid to demonstrate how a right handed shooter, handling a right handed designed rifle with fingers of right hand at trigger, and the extended left arm / hand supports and aims the barrel of the gun!

If this were a rifle, the ejecting spent cartridge case would exit somewhere in the region forward of my right hand, and fling off forward and slightly to the right of the guns barrel (a trajectory which takes the ejected brass cartridge case towards the clock / television in my photograph)..
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 12:22:AM
In this example, again I am using my walking aid as a prop, but in this image I am holding the rifle at my left shoulder, fingers of left hand at trigger, extended lower right arm and right wrist supporting and aiming the barrel (in this instance, the ejecting brass cartridge cases would take a trajectory in the general direction  of the living room door or the picture hanging on the wall)...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 08:43:AM
1st image - trajectory of ejecting spent (brass) cartridge case exits to right of a right handed shooter

2nd image - showing the ejection port with its deflection plate situated on the right hand side of the rifle forward of the trigger mechanism...

3rd image - trajectory of ejecting spent (brass) cartridge case exits to right of barrel being handled by left handed shooter, with near certain probability that extended lower part of shooters right arm / right wrist which is supporting / directing the barrel of the rifle being struck at each ejection of a  cartridge case..

4th image - the bloodstained straition marks and light bruising on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm / right wrist, evidence that she fired the rifle on several occasions and that unblooded and bloodstained brass cartridge cases struck this unique part of her anatomy at the time she used the rifle to shoot bullets from it at the other victims, a phenomena which can only occur when the shooter holds and uses a right handed designed weapon of this type, with fingers of left hand at trigger / right hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun, with general position of the rifle being held on the left hand side of the shooters body in region of the left shoulder!

Sudden movement when aiming the barrel in-between shots which are fired in rapid succession will cause the trajectory of any brass cartridge case to strike the extended lower right arm or right wrist of the shooter  (randomly) who adopts a left handed stance when holding and firing the weapon during frenzied episodes at the shooting...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2018, 09:43:AM


Mmm. It's inconvenient -although understandable- that I can't quote your post, Mike. Whilst ranting and hurling every expletive known to man, at anyone brave enough to to challenge what you say, ie, suggesting that you may not be telling the truth, in the post it's not possible for me to quote, you admit that there have been times when you haven't told the truth but IF it's about creating the debate you set the forum up for, there's really no reason for you to move the goal posts when it's been proved that you were wrong. It rather smacks of someone being annoyed by having their duplicity exposed. Suddenly creating a left handed, gun slinging, ambidextrous "Annie Oakley" from a Sheila who you'd previously described as right-handed, simply wasn't helpful, but then neither is having her capable of skiddaddling up the stairs, unseen, with a bullet through her neck! Still, that, at least,has provided endless hours of debate.
Of course, you can't be unaware that where there is doubt, there is also mistrust and the question must therefore be, just how much of what you tell us CAN be trusted? 'Those' pictures you swear you had in your possession and really were going to post them at a given hour of a given day until eleventh hour threats you received which prevented it? Could be you should have posted them without announcing that you intended to?? All the reports/statements you claim to have -but none of us have proof of- and hang on to, which could free Jeremy...............if only they were in the hands of those who MIGHT be able to do something useful with them. In the meanwhile, your, one time, good mate, who you insist is innocent, and who clearly recognized where your talents lay, and once valued you enough to pay you the  compliment of calling you "a clever bastard" is still moldering in jail.
The irony is, I really, really, REALLY wanted to believe you, especially when you've tried SO hard to be believed. Trouble is, you may have tried TOO hard -like you've over egged the pudding?- and it's had the reverse effect. It stands to reason that if anyone categorically KNOWS anything they can tell a story they never deviate from. The lines have become blurred between your detestation of the police and judiciary which seems to underpin everything, your belief in Jeremy's innocence, and the red herrings thrown in to stimulate debate.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 09:47:AM
Because this to my mind was a novice shooting I doubt that Sheila would have held the rifle in the customary manner that someone accustomed to shooting would have done. The whole scenario was a scrappy and untidy killing carried out by someone who wasn't used to using/handling a firearm.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 10:00:AM
There have been/are such shootings where nothing has been disturbed nor broken but here there were signs of trying to wrestle the rifle from the killer such as grab marks on two adults and the fearful bashing that Nevill received which wouldn't have happened to a sharp-shooter who would have had no need to have reigned blows as well as bullets because of the accuracy of the target--------2 or 3 feet away.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 10:00:AM
This was a nervous shooter !!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 10:05:AM
I make no excuses for me behaviour at times, I am now on the correct dosages of medication which contributes to the fact that I try my damndest not to be offensive or abusive to anybody. I am suffering with post traumatic stress disorder, antisocial behaviour disorder, anxiety and depression, I have hallucinations and I am extraordinarily sensitive to my environment, people around me, things I watch and see, or people I communicate with..

I live alone with my best friend 'Misty' (animal sanctuary dog), and spend most of my time sat isolated inside my home behind closed curtains, often without the TV on, or the radio on. I get a great deal of joy when I venture outside into my gardens, the one at the front of the house which I try to tend too early morning and late in the evening! The garden at the rear of my house is currently a work in progress, slowly coming together but far from finished off yet!

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 10:26:AM
Here, I demonstrate the different ways a shooter can hold, and fire the .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle - fingers of right hand at trigger, left hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun when firing live rounds from it at a target (I am using my walking aid as the rifle for demonstration purposes only)...

The rifle was a .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle, designed for use by a right handed shooter! When handled and used correctly, with every shot fired, a corresponding spent (brass) cartridge case would be ejected from the ejection port (with its deflector) which is situated on the right hand side of the gun forward of the trigger mechanism as show in the following image...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 10:28:AM
Here, I demonstrate the different ways a shooter can hold, and fire the .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle - fingers of right hand at trigger, left hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun when firing live rounds from it at a target (I am using my walking aid as the rifle for demonstration purposes only)...

The rifle was a .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle, designed for use by a right handed shooter! When handled and used correctly, with every shot fired, a corresponding spent (brass) cartridge case would be ejected from the ejection port (with its deflector) which is situated on the right hand side of the gun forward of the trigger mechanism as show in the following image...

On each shot fired via the gun a corresponding brass cartridge case is ejected from the right hand side of the rifles ejection port (with deflector)! Imagine such a shooter firing such a weapon in a frenzied manner - chances are that none of the expounded casings will strike any part of the right handed shooters anatomy, since the brass cartridge cases will always be projected forward and away from any part of the shooters body in these examples...

Images of a right handed shooter when firing the anshuzt rifle designed for a right handed shooter:-
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 10:43:AM
But, when the shooter weilds the anshuzt rifle with fingers of left hand to trigger, and the right hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun at the time of firing live rounds from it, the following postures are adopted with the body of the rifle being held on the left of the person using the gun at a position with the gun held at the left shoulder, which as you will soon realise / discover becomes somewhat problematic insofar as the ejecting brass cartridge cases which get flung from the ejection port at each fire of the gun, are in danger of striking the outstretched lower right arm of the shooter because it obstructs the path that any ejected brass casing will take when the weapon is fired...

Imagine Sheila adopting these postures at the time she was firing the anshuzt rifle in a frenzied psychotic episode - exposed at each fire of the gun to contact from an ejected brass cartridge case with the lower part of her extended right arm / right wrist being struck repeatedly by the bullet cases...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 11:00:AM
I make no excuses for me behaviour at times, I am now on the correct dosages of medication which contributes to the fact that I try my damndest not to be offensive or abusive to anybody. I am suffering with post traumatic stress disorder, antisocial behaviour disorder, anxiety and depression, I have hallucinations and I am extraordinarily sensitive to my environment, people around me, things I watch and see, or people I communicate with..

I live alone with my best friend 'Misty' (animal sanctuary dog), and spend most of my time sat isolated inside my home behind closed curtains, often without the TV on, or the radio on. I get a great deal of joy when I venture outside into my gardens, the one at the front of the house which I try to tend too early morning and late in the evening! The garden at the rear of my house is currently a work in progress, slowly coming together but far from finished off yet!






Time is a great healer Mike. Look after yourself nutritionally and make sure you get a good night's sleep.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 11:06:AM
I make no excuses for me behaviour at times, I am now on the correct dosages of medication which contributes to the fact that I try my damndest not to be offensive or abusive to anybody. I am suffering with post traumatic stress disorder, antisocial behaviour disorder, anxiety and depression, I have hallucinations and I am extraordinarily sensitive to my environment, people around me, things I watch and see, or people I communicate with..

I live alone with my best friend 'Misty' (animal sanctuary dog), and spend most of my time sat isolated inside my home behind closed curtains, often without the TV on, or the radio on. I get a great deal of joy when I venture outside into my gardens, the one at the front of the house which I try to tend too early morning and late in the evening! The garden at the rear of my house is currently a work in progress, slowly coming together but far from finished off yet!

It's hard to tend to the rear garden in the middle of the night when there is almost certainly no-one hanging around to impose upon me unwelcome aggravation which gets created inside of my own mind, you see I also suffer from aggravated self-inflicted paranoia...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 08, 2018, 11:08:AM
Because this to my mind was a novice shooting I doubt that Sheila would have held the rifle in the customary manner that someone accustomed to shooting would have done. The whole scenario was a scrappy and untidy killing carried out by someone who wasn't used to using/handling a firearm.
::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 08, 2018, 11:09:AM
There have been/are such shootings where nothing has been disturbed nor broken but here there were signs of trying to wrestle the rifle from the killer such as grab marks on two adults and the fearful bashing that Nevill received which wouldn't have happened to a sharp-shooter who would have had no need to have reigned blows as well as bullets because of the accuracy of the target--------2 or 3 feet away.

And yet Sheila had none of the other victims blood on her  ::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 11:17:AM
I am afflicted by the power to see things which ordinarily ordinary people can't and don't see, feelings and senses that I believe are beyond ordinary folks experiences, it's not a gift it's a heavy burden to have to live with...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 11:22:AM
And yet Sheila had none of the other victims blood on her  ::)






We didn't know that did we as her nightdress was destroyed ?  ::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2018, 11:30:AM
I am afflicted by the power to see things which ordinarily ordinary people can't and don't see, feelings and senses that I believe are beyond ordinary folks experiences, it's not a gift it's a heavy burden to have to live with...

I can quite see that such could be a huge problem. If there's no one who can verify what you believe you're seeing, it may well be a form of paranoia.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 11:36:AM
I am afflicted by the power to see things which ordinarily ordinary people can't and don't see, feelings and senses that I believe are beyond ordinary folks experiences, it's not a gift it's a heavy burden to have to live with...






How is your short term memory Mike ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 11:40:AM
I ask because you've had head injuries.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Adam on July 08, 2018, 11:41:AM





We didn't know that did we as her nightdress was destroyed ?  ::)



51.

Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood.

The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.

The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 11:42:AM


51.

Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood.

The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.

The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times





No other adult was tested for gun residue were they ?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 11:45:AM
And yet Sheila had none of the other victims blood on her  ::)

The bloodstained straition impact marks that were almost certainly caused by ejecting brass cartridge cases striking that part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / right hand wrist area which supported and directed the barrel of the gun when she was firing it have never been and were not even mentioned by anyone, not by the police, not by the pathologist, not by any ballistics expert, and certainly never analysed to confirm who's blood was spattered all over that unique part of Sheila's lower right arm and the region of her right hand wrist!

There has to be a reason for this which can only border on a strong suspicion that the police kept these photographs which show this culminative evidence from everyone who was entitled to know about it!

I am saying that these bloodstained impact markings and other light bruising marks which existed on the lower right arm / wrist of Sheila Caffell's right hand, is positive proof that Sheila Caffell had indeed not only handled the anshuzt rifle, but that she did fire it, she fired live rounds from the gun which wounded and killed the other four victims! That part of her anatomy was unique in that it was the only part of her body which the bloodstained brass cartridges, (and others which had not been contaminated with a victims blood) that were being ejected from the ejection port situated on the right hand side of the gun forward of its trigger mechanism, marking the lower part of her right arm and the wrist of her right hand! If Sheila had handled, or fired the rifle in question adopting a right handed posture when she fired shots which wounded and killed the others, there would not exist these highly significant and very telling features which phenomenally existed!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 11:58:AM
Because Sheila had been the main focus and because nobody had believed that it had been possible that a woman would kill her children the testing procedure hadn't gone any further because of EP's determination to secure their conviction towards JB. The logical conclusion was to blame the young male when viewing the injuries and not the fact that a lighter person would have to inflict much heavier blows in order to cause the most damage.

Nevill had been a strong man and JB wouldn't have stood a chance against his father. Sheila,a woman and men such as Nevill didn't use the same force against his daughter as he would his son. Most likely Nevill would have tried talking to Sheila as they did over the phone at all hours of the morning but sadly Sheila meant business and fulfilled her intent.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 12:00:PM
I can quite see that such could be a huge problem. If there's no one who can verify what you believe you're seeing, it may well be a form of paranoia.

Yes, I am aware of that / this..

But, rest assured that the bloodstained straition marks and other impact bruising marks which were present upon the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm / region of her right hand wrist were caused when she fired the rifle and ejected brass cartridge cases struck those parts of her anatomy, no-one, and I repeat 'no-one has even bothered to try and interpret how these impact markings and light bruising got to be there, only me...

I might not be well emotionally, physically or mentally, but if a ballistic expert were to consider that which I am proposing you will not be surprised to find (I dare say) that what I am trying my damndest to inform everyone about, has some merit to it - sooner or later somebody with a sound reputation, will confirm what I am mentioning here!

Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle, she shot and killed the other victims, there can now be no doubt about that / this, the ejected brass cartridge cases (bloodstained or otherwise) struck that unique part of her right arm / wrist at the time she shot and killed the other four victims, the exclusive and unique position of these bloodstained and lighty bruised straition impact marks on that part of her anatomy y will cause the convictions of Jeremy Bamber to be vacated!!

It is only a matter of time!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2018, 12:01:PM




No other adult was tested for gun residue were they ?


Well, NO!!! Why would they be? Jeremy had phoned the police specifically to tell them the words his father had allegedly said re Sheila having gone mad and got hold of the gun. He then proceeded to further embroider the story with anecdotes of his own regarding her. So now we have not only an alleged phone call which implicated her -and no one else-  we also have Jeremy backing it up. Absolutely no need to look for gun residue on others. It seems the gun was always in Sheila's possession................or that's what Jeremy would have us believe.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 08, 2018, 12:10:PM





We didn't know that did we as her nightdress was destroyed ?  ::)

Her nightdress was tested at the lab, it was destroyed a long while after the murders.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 08, 2018, 12:11:PM




No other adult was tested for gun residue were they ?

Why would they be?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Caroline on July 08, 2018, 12:12:PM
Because Sheila had been the main focus and because nobody had believed that it had been possible that a woman would kill her children the testing procedure hadn't gone any further because of EP's determination to secure their conviction towards JB. The logical conclusion was to blame the young male when viewing the injuries and not the fact that a lighter person would have to inflict much heavier blows in order to cause the most damage.

Nevill had been a strong man and JB wouldn't have stood a chance against his father. Sheila,a woman and men such as Nevill didn't use the same force against his daughter as he would his son. Most likely Nevill would have tried talking to Sheila as they did over the phone at all hours of the morning but sadly Sheila meant business and fulfilled her intent.

Dear god!  ::)
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2018, 12:25:PM
Because Sheila had been the main focus and because nobody had believed that it had been possible that a woman would kill her children the testing procedure hadn't gone any further because of EP's determination to secure their conviction towards JB. The logical conclusion was to blame the young male when viewing the injuries and not the fact that a lighter person would have to inflict much heavier blows in order to cause the most damage.

Nevill had been a strong man and JB wouldn't have stood a chance against his father. Sheila,a woman and men such as Nevill didn't use the same force against his daughter as he would his son. Most likely Nevill would have tried talking to Sheila as they did over the phone at all hours of the morning but sadly Sheila meant business and fulfilled her intent.


But they DID believe she had because A) Nevill -allegedly- told Jeremy she'd gone mad and got hold of the gun and B) Jeremy furthered it with his own tales of her capabilities. I don't recall any of the police in attendance saying "Now, now, sir. Women don't kill their children, do they? So which one of you's telling porky pies?"
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 12:31:PM
I have taken the liberty of trying to desguise or to recreate the bloodstained impact straition marks on the lower part of my own right arm, in the presentation I am producing as a left handed shooter holding and firing a right handed (designed) .22 anshuzt rifle, for the purpose of indicating whereabouts on the shooters lower right arm / wrist the ejecting brass cartridge cases would strike that unique part of my anatomy, for the benefit of everyone else!..
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2018, 01:01:PM

But they DID believe she had because A) Nevill -allegedly- told Jeremy she'd gone mad and got hold of the gun and B) Jeremy furthered it with his own tales of her capabilities. I don't recall any of the police in attendance saying "Now, now, sir. Women don't kill their children, do they? So which one of you's telling porky pies?"





Nobody SAID anything-------they thought until they'd been convinced/brainwashed by SJ and co. It would have been SJ who'd have said something if anyone did with his initial " gut-feeling ". With that he didn't progress any further with his investigation. To him it'd been a foregone conclusion----some policing  ::)

I posted in such a way that you too would be convinced that the police actually LISTENED to what JB had told them------really ? Does that happen ? Just as if !  They hadn't believed everything else he'd said,had they ? That's why the investigation went haywire.  SJ had been biased from the start all because he hadn't liked Bamber !
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2018, 01:13:PM




Nobody SAID anything-------they thought until they'd been convinced/brainwashed by SJ and co. It would have been SJ who'd have said something if anyone did with his initial " gut-feeling ". With that he didn't progress any further with his investigation. To him it'd been a foregone conclusion----some policing  ::)

I posted in such a way that you too would be convinced that the police actually LISTENED to what JB had told them------really ? Does that happen ? Just as if !  They hadn't believed everything else he'd said,had they ? That's why the investigation went haywire.  SJ had been biased from the start all because he hadn't liked Bamber !

But they were brainwashed, courtesy of Jeremy -backed up by Nevill's ALLEGED phone call- HOURS prior to "SJ and co" opening their mouths. I'm inclined to think that any hostility police eventually came to feel regarding Jeremy, may have stemmed from the fact that he stood there for hours, making mugs of them all and not one of them disbelieved what he said. He was the only one present who 'knew' anything. Why would they disbelieve him................especially as he backed up what HE said with what his father had -ALLEGEDLY- said.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2018, 01:24:PM




Nobody SAID anything-------they thought until they'd been convinced/brainwashed by SJ and co. It would have been SJ who'd have said something if anyone did with his initial " gut-feeling ". With that he didn't progress any further with his investigation. To him it'd been a foregone conclusion----some policing  ::)

I posted in such a way that you too would be convinced that the police actually LISTENED to what JB had told them------really ? Does that happen ? Just as if !  They hadn't believed everything else he'd said,had they ? That's why the investigation went haywire.  SJ had been biased from the start all because he hadn't liked Bamber !

As to your cynicism about the listening skills of police. Is it really your belief that they're trained to treat everyone who rings them with a story as lia -ooops, sorry- FABRICATORS of truth?- in which case, why didn't they just put their feet up and have another mug of tea when Jeremy called, rather than use all that manpower and time and STILL call him a lia -sorry, a silly little boy who liked to make up stories. They believed him because they had no reason NOT to. You come out with some rubbish sometimes, but to suggest that the police never believed Jeremy from the start is about as silly as you can make it.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 01:24:PM
For 'the benefit of everyone', including the 'die-hard guilters', here is an estimatimation of the angle at which each ejected  (bloodstained or  otherwise) brass cartridge case which accompanied each shot fired by Sheila Caffell at, and into, or towards any of the other four victims ( a factor governed by the manner with which Sheila fired shots off in 'a frenzied' or 'otherwise' state), were, had been fired by herself...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 01:37:PM
Here I embark on the exercise of distinguishing the angle at which spent (bloodstained or otherwise) brass cartridge casings were being ejected from the ejection port situated on the right hand side of the anshuzt rifle at the time that Sheila caffell fired each of the 24 shots at victims of this tragedy...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 01:39:PM
From here on in, I replicate the various angles at which the ejected (bloodstained or otherwise) each of the 24 spent brass cartridge cases might have been discarded via the ejection port of the gun when used by a right handed shooter...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 08, 2018, 01:58:PM
Mmm. It's inconvenient -although understandable- that I can't quote your post, Mike. Whilst ranting and hurling every expletive known to man, at anyone brave enough to to challenge what you say, ie, suggesting that you may not be telling the truth, in the post it's not possible for me to quote, you admit that there have been times when you haven't told the truth but IF it's about creating the debate you set the forum up for, there's really no reason for you to move the goal posts when it's been proved that you were wrong. It rather smacks of someone being annoyed by having their duplicity exposed. Suddenly creating a left handed, gun slinging, ambidextrous "Annie Oakley" from a Sheila who you'd previously described as right-handed, simply wasn't helpful, but then neither is having her capable of skiddaddling up the stairs, unseen, with a bullet through her neck! Still, that, at least,has provided endless hours of debate.
Of course, you can't be unaware that where there is doubt, there is also mistrust and the question must therefore be, just how much of what you tell us CAN be trusted? 'Those' pictures you swear you had in your possession and really were going to post them at a given hour of a given day until eleventh hour threats you received which prevented it? Could be you should have posted them without announcing that you intended to?? All the reports/statements you claim to have -but none of us have proof of- and hang on to, which could free Jeremy...............if only they were in the hands of those who MIGHT be able to do something useful with them. In the meanwhile, your, one time, good mate, who you insist is innocent, and who clearly recognized where your talents lay, and once valued you enough to pay you the  compliment of calling you "a clever bastard" is still moldering in jail.
The irony is, I really, really, REALLY wanted to believe you, especially when you've tried SO hard to be believed. Trouble is, you may have tried TOO hard -like you've over egged the pudding?- and it's had the reverse effect. It stands to reason that if anyone categorically KNOWS anything they can tell a story they never deviate from. The lines have become blurred between your detestation of the police and judiciary which seems to underpin everything, your belief in Jeremy's innocence, and the red herrings thrown in to stimulate debate.
What an incisive post Jane.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 08, 2018, 01:59:PM
In this example, again I am using my walking aid as a prop, but in this image I am holding the rifle at my left shoulder, fingers of left hand at trigger, extended lower right arm and right wrist supporting and aiming the barrel (in this instance, the ejecting brass cartridge cases would take a trajectory in the general direction  of the living room door or the picture hanging on the wall)...
I'm still not following this really. Where does the blood come from?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Jane on July 08, 2018, 02:03:PM
What an incisive post Jane.


Aww, THANK-YOU Steve :-* A compliment from you is always welcomed and special.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 02:04:PM
The anshuzt rifle held by the shooter of the first four victims, was not fired by a right handed shooter, held as it was intended to be used (by a right handed shooter) in accordance with its design features...

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 02:13:PM
Anyone pretending to be more brain dead than I am, forget about it, your only fooling yourselves, because if the shooter had been right handed, and for the benefit of those who are pretending not to understand what I am talking about, look at the images I have just posted - a right handed shooter would not get the bloodstained straition impact markings on that unique part of their lower right arm ' right wrist, unless of course, they were left handed, or even if they were right handed but handled the rifle with the fingers of their left hand at the trigger, and their right hand supporting and directing the barrel of the gun at victims that they were shooting at...

Any such shooter, who was using the fingers of their left hand at the trigger, and their right hand supporting and directing the barrel of the gun at a target, would without doubt be at risk of the lower part of their right arm / right wrist being struck by each and every spent brass cartridge casing ( bloodstained or otherwise) that was being ejected in correspondence to each of the 23 shots fired by the shooter at any prospective victim - The 'bloodstained impact markings' which are present 'upon the lower part of Sheila Caffells 'extended' lower right arm' and 'the part of her right wrist' are consistent with 'having been the shooter', that part of her anatomy being 'so unique' that such markings could 'not possibly have existed' by 'any other legetimate means'...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 02:21:PM
For the purpose of being complete, I shall now reproduce the images of the posture adopted by a left handed shooter, for example, a shooter using the fingers of their left hand at the trigget, and their right hand supporting and directing the barrel of the rifle at the time they shot at, and killed the otrher four victims:-
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 02:50:PM
It is with 100% certainty that Sheila Caffell did, and had fired the anshuzt rifle during the tragedy, a fact confirmed by the presence of bloodstained and lightly bruised straition impact markings which were present of a unique part of her lower right arm / right wrist region caused by the ejecting (bloodsttained or otherwise) brass cartridge cases that were flung out of the rifles ejection port and which struct that significant part of her anatomy...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 02:53:PM
It is with 100% certainty that Sheila Caffell did, and had fired the anshuzt rifle during the tragedy, a fact confirmed by the presence of bloodstained and lightly bruised straition impact markings which were present of a unique part of her lower right arm / right wrist region caused by the ejecting (bloodsttained or otherwise) brass cartridge cases that were flung out of the rifles ejection port and which struct that significant part of her anatomy...

I am that confident in my findings, to suggest that any ballistics expert who fails to confirm these findings is not worth the weight of their own snot, and must never be trusted ever again by anybody seeking to rely upon their testimony or expertise...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 03:03:PM
Sheila shot the other four victims of this tragedy, she handled and fired the anshuzt rifle, there now exists compelling evidence that not even a bent CCRC reptesentative, or a corrupt Appellant court judge can ignore - Essex police and its conspiracy to cover up the true circumstances of the whf tragedy and in particular the circumstances surrounding how Sheila Caffell met her end, has finally run its course!

The impact markings of ejected brass cartridge cases that left bloodstained markings and light bruises on the lower part of Sheila Caffells lower right arm / right wrist area, is compelling evidence that confirms she did shoot dead the other four victims. Forget the dodgy hand swab evidence which was concocted by Essex police at a time when the relatives threatened to expose their involvement in Sheila Caffells death (at the beginning of September 1985).

We now know the truth...

Anyone at the CCRC, The Home Office, Essex Plice, THE CPS and the judiciary including appellate court judges ignore this fresh evidence at peril of being held accountable for criminal activity in the form of 'Malfeance in public Office' offences / allegations...

Ignore the truth at your peril, and give up your cushy lifestyle and huge monthly salaries, and pension entitlements...

The Criminal justice system ought to hang its head in shame, but it won't because these monsters that are taking responsibility to dismiss these appeals are lower than a snakes belly, with little if any scruples, corruption is what they live by and what they will all die by...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 03:52:PM
Sheila shot the other four victims of this tragedy, she handled and fired the anshuzt rifle, there now exists compelling evidence that not even a bent CCRC reptesentative, or a corrupt Appellant court judge can ignore - Essex police and its conspiracy to cover up the true circumstances of the whf tragedy and in particular the circumstances surrounding how Sheila Caffell met her end, has finally run its course!

The impact markings of ejected brass cartridge cases that left bloodstained markings and light bruises on the lower part of Sheila Caffells lower right arm / right wrist area, is compelling evidence that confirms she did shoot dead the other four victims. Forget the dodgy hand swab evidence which was concocted by Essex police at a time when the relatives threatened to expose their involvement in Sheila Caffells death (at the beginning of September 1985).

We now know the truth...

Anyone at the CCRC, The Home Office, Essex Plice, THE CPS and the judiciary including appellate court judges ignore this fresh evidence at peril of being held accountable for criminal activity in the form of 'Malfeance in public Office' offences / allegations...

Ignore the truth at your peril, and give up your cushy lifestyle and huge monthly salaries, and pension entitlements...

The Criminal justice system ought to hang its head in shame, but it won't because these monsters that are taking responsibility to dismiss these appeals are lower than a snakes belly, with little if any scruples, corruption is what they live by and what they will all die by...

And, in the name of..
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 04:25:PM
We are almost 33 years down the road, and it has taken somebody who is as poorly as myself to identify the significance of the bloodstained straition impact markings and light bruising that was present upon the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm / and her right wrist, which could only have been made by the ejected brass cartridge casings striking that unique part of Sheila Caffell's anatomy each time she fired the rifle at each of the other four victims...

Of course, it was inevitable, that because of the total number of shots fired during the tragedy (including the second shot that killed Sheila herself), that the 10 shot ammunition magazine belonging to the anshuzt rifle needed to be reloaded with additional live rounds , since we are talking about a total of 24 shots that were fired in total via the semi-automatic anshuzt rifle - at least 14 additional live rounds needed to be loaded into the gun in order for the deaths of all five victims to be completed...

At some stage after the discharge of the first full load of the guns ammunition magazine, what becomes somewhat apparent is that blood from one or other shot, wounded and dying, or dead victim almost certainly got onto the fingers of Sheila Caffell's hand, so that when she returned to the kitchen worktop to acquire additional rounds, the blood which had contaminated her fingers was transferred onto the individual rounds she proceeded to reload the weapon with - once these bloodstained live rounds were loaded into the magazine of the gun, and round by round each of them got carried into the breach of the gun and fired, a corresponding bloodstained brass cartridge case got extracted and ejected from the weapon via the ejection port located on the right hand side of the gun, forward of the trigger mechanism..

As a result of the awkward manner with which Sheila had held the rifle at the time she shot at and killed the other four victims, each spent brass cartridge case that was ejected automatically from the gun struck the lower part of Sheila's right arm and wrist, which created a series of light bruises (when uncontaminated brass casings struck that unique part of her arm /wrist),  as opposed to bloodstained straition impact markings on the same part of Sheila's lower right arm /wrist when struck by blood contaminated rounds!..

Sheila Caffell was the cause of the bloodstained live rounds which got loaded into the gun as part of the additional batch of live rounds required to enable her to kill everyone else..
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 06:32:PM
Of course, we now know that there was this bloodstained impact straition markings on the lower part of her right arm - something Essex police and it's mob did not want the defendants legal team, the court which tried the case, nor the general public at large to know about! They hid, withheld and concealed the very evidence contained in these images from everyone because the police found themselves trapped in a plot forced upon them by the relatives who knew the truth about who was responsible for shooting Sheila Caffell dead by way of a second shot after Stan Jones and Mick Clark had already visited the main bedroom and seen the body of Sheila laid on top of the bed, she had had a Bible resting on her chest and at 'that' stage she had only been shot once to the neck!

Essex police had staged Sheila's death on the bedroom floor, presenting it as a suicide, with the rifle they claimed she had used to kill herself resting on top of her body, where the Bible had been resting earlier on - the rather astonishing fact that by the time the cops decided to stage Sheila Caffell's death as a suicide, she had somehow received a second bullet wound to her neck, after Jones and Clark had left the scene to go with Jeremy to his cottage to take his witness statement! The cops had then made a falsified account claiming that when the firearms officers had first entered the farmhouse, how they had found each of the five bodies in turn, first Neville Bamber downstairs in the kitchen, slumped forward over an overturned wooden chair with his heavily bloodstained head conveniently positioned inside the coal his, at the base of which someone had been considerate enough to position items of clothing, seat cushions and a towel to soak up the blood or to prevent it from spreading (surely not arranged by Jeremy if he had been the killer, or a deranged Sheila Caffell)! Second body found, June Bamber, her body propped up by the main door of the parents bedroom, she had been shot a total of 7 times, one of which was inflicted between the eyes. How had she made it from the bed to that position at the doorway? Well, according to what Stan Jones and Mick Clark told Ann Eaton that morning (from the horse's mouth, so to speak) June Bambers body had been laying on top of the bed when they visited the main bedroom, alongside the body of Sheila , they were both laid side by side on top of the bed, Sheila had a Bible on her chest, and there was a rifle resting on the bed in-between their bodies! So, how had June Bambers body ended up near the bedroom doorway on the right hand side of the bed, and rather more puzzling police claim that the third body they stumbled upon was the body of one Sheila Caffell, which they dishonestly claimed they had found on the bedroom floor near a doorway on the left hand side of the bed which, as has been pointed out she had been laid on top of earlier. Only now, the rifle was a top her body, where the Bible had been, and she had two bullet wounds to her neck, whereas when Jones and Clark saw her body earlier she had only been shot just the once. The fourth and fifth bodies were those of the two child victims, found in their respective beds, in a room that could be reached by going through an internal doorway close to where Sheila's body had been deliberately staged as a suicide, through that door which led into the first floor box room, then through another door into the bedroom where the bodies of the children had been found!

There can be no doubt that the police involved in this incident at whf were guilty of committing criminal offences, behaviour not befitting that of an officer, and a gentleman...

If they had not been at fault in either of the two occasions when Sheila Caffell had been shot, then why did they stage her death scene on the main bedroom floor as a suicide involving one rifle which had fired two different shots, and ignore all that had gone on beforehand? Why forget that Sheila's body had originally been confronted downstairs in the kitchen, she being the dead female who's death was being reported as a suicide from as early as 7.45am? How could June Bambers body be included in the first two deaths confirmed between 7.35am and 7.45am, and her death have even been considered to have been suicide? And of course, only three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am according to a timed police radio message log? Where was the fourth body at that stage (8.10am)? Downstairs along with the body of Neville Bamber...

The police at the scene faked the crime scene, they pretended that Dr Craig had not seen Sheila's body 'on the far side of the bed' at 8.44am, and again, when shortly after 9.05am Stan Jones and Mick Clark had seen the bodies of Sheila Caffell, and June Bamber laid on top of the bed, a Bible on top of Sheila's chest, and Sheila with only one bullet wound to her neck, and no fresh blood running from the corners of her mouth, all of these factual accounts rubbished and discounted, for a straight forward case of the bodies had been found in situ where the disclosed police photographs placed them!

'Conspuracy to pervert the Course of Justice'
'Perjury'
''Malfeance in Public Office'
'Fraud and Deception', and
'Murder'...
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 06:37:PM
Bring the lot of them to justice, cancel their pensions and seize their assets, it is no longer necessary to allow the police any defence for the crimes they committed in this particular case! They 'murderd' Sheila Caffell, that's the only conclusion anybody can come to, after all this time of these bent cops hiding behind a pack of lies! Will these criminals in uniform ever be brought to Justice, and will Jeremy Bamber name be cleared once and for all, safe in the knowledge that he had nothing whatsoever to do with his sister's death. Essex police new on the morning of the tragedy that Jeremy Bamber have not shot dead his sister, nor has he played any role in the stage managing of her death scene as a suicide on the bedroom floor!

The police shot Sheila Caffell twice, wants downstairs in the kitchen upon entry, and on a second occasion upstairs on the bedroom floor, after her body had been lifted off the bed and placed on the floor, by which time the anschutz rifle which had been resting against the inside of a first floor box room window was brought into the bedroom and positioned upon her body as part of a training exercise ('informatives') that went dramatically wrong! For example, as this weapon was being manipulated upon Sheila Caffells body, with the fingers of her hand upon the trigger mechanism, and the muzzle of the barrel of the gun positioned close to the point of her chin, a solitary shot was discharged from the gun, which sent a bullet spiralling up into the void of a mouth, and beyond until it nestled in her brain! At this particular moment in time, death occurred instantaneously!

Within moments of this accident occurring, the rifle was quickly removed from the body and stood against the inside of the main bedroom window, willst offices very quickly positioned her body in the recovery position, so that her body was resting up on it's right side!

At this time, it dawned upon all those present, that Sheila had not died, prior to the infliction of the second shot!

Almost instantaneously, fresh looking blood started tattoos out from the second bullet wound which had just been inflicted! Blood also started to leak from the corners of her mouth, and her nostrils, which due to the movement of her body and in particular her head, some of this blood pooled in the region of her left eye socket!

Blood which ran from the second wound diagonally across the region of the neck filtered down on to the collar of her light blue nightdress, and it became trapped in the fold created by her right arm underneath the right hand side of body. Whilst all of this was going on, police officers tried frantically to keep her alive, but they gave up after several minutes realising the any further attempts were futile! The sad irony in all of this, was that the ambulance Crews which had been present at the scene from about 7 am Onwards, had already left the vicinity of the scene, having been told that there was nothing that could be done for any of the five victims who had all been pronounced as dead at the scene by Dr Craig at about 8: 44 am that same morning! It should be noted that at the time Sheila Caffells body was rolled into the recovery position, that the rifle did not remain with the body but as has been indicated it was placed and resting against the inside of the main bedroom window!

Every person inside the main bedroom at the time of these events, knew that the severe area of blood staining created in the region of the right shoulder of the light blue night dress came about as a result of the infliction of the second shot together with the Rolling over of the body into the recovery position upon it's right hand side, and subsequently, it was rolled back into the suppine position upon its back! This highly distinctive bloodstain have not been present upon the night dress prior to the inflection of the second shot which effectively ended Sheila Caffells life. Similarly, the diagonal blood which run across the neck from the second bullet entry wound and blood which ran from the corners of the victims mouth, and from her nostrils which pooled in the socket of her left eye, are all features which can be linked to the second shot being inflicted at that time!

At 8: 44 am when Dr Craig pronounced Sheila as being dead, the aforementioned blood stain and blood flows on her neck and around her mouth and from her nostrils into the socket of her left eye were markedly absent!

Similarly, but just after 9.05 am with the arrival of Stan Jones and Mick Clark at the scene, in particular, when they both visited the main bedroom and viewed the body of Sheila Caffell, again, the severe blood staining and flows of blood that I have just spoken about were markedly absent upon the night dress or the parts of her body as described!

Stan Jones and Mick Clark eventually left scene, and went with Jeremy Bamber to his Cottage at no. 9 Head Street, goldhanger, Tolleshunt D'arcy, in order to take a witness statement from him concerning the telephone call he had received from his father in the early hours of the morning informing him that Sheila had got the gun and that she was going crazy, and for Jeremy to come quickly to the farmhouse! It was whilst Jones and Clark we're in attendance at Jeremy's Cottage, but the relatives arrived there and were given sensitive information by the police officers concerning how the bodies of the victims had been found, and more importantly, how the bodies had been viewed by the officers less than one hour beforehand!

It is important, to remember that the police officers told the relatives that Neville Bambers body was found downstairs in the kitchen! That the bodies of Sheila Caffell and June Bamber had been found laying on the top of the bed in the parents bedroom, side by side, and that there was a Bible upon resting upon Sheila's chest! Rather more significantly, rather more significantly what's the fact that there was a rifle resting upon the bed in between Sheila and June Bamber! Additionally, in another bedroom nearby, a bedroom separated from the main bedroom, by a box room which had connecting doorways giving access and exit between all three upstairs rooms, were found the bodies of the two little children, both dead!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2018, 10:45:PM
Why did Essex police, the pathologist, the ballistic expert, the blood experts, the CPS, the trial judge, the CCRC, the appellate court, all ignore the warning signs contained in the following images which sadly were 'not disclosed' until after the failed 2002 appeal hearing?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2018, 12:19:AM
Why isn't anyone daring to offer a feasible explanation for the bloodstained straition Impact markings that were present on that unique part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / right wrist areas?
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: Steve_uk on July 09, 2018, 12:27:AM
Why isn't anyone daring to offer a feasible explanation for the bloodstained straition Impact markings that were present on that unique part of Sheila Caffell's lower right arm / right wrist areas?
I thought she was supposed to have ritualistically washed after the shootings and changed into her nightie.
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2018, 08:58:AM
I thought she was supposed to have ritualistically washed after the shootings and changed into her nightie. I believe that this was a suggestion that was put forward by somebody trying to negate the impact of the levels of lead deposit found to be present on the handswabs! But clearly the fingers of her right hand were saturated with fresh blood as evidenced by the fact that (a) she left bloody fingermark impressions upon the front lower part of her light blue nightdress, (b) she arguably was the diner of the two bloodied fingermark which had been pressed against the second fatal neck shot, (c) that she left a partial bloody palm print on the pages of the Bible (which depending upon which version of the events you choose to believe, since the Bible was seen resting on top of she looking felt chest at the time that Stan Jones and Mick Clark viewed her body which was laid on top of the bed next to the body of June Bamber at shortly after 9: 05 am), and (d) the presence of bloody fingermarks that was found on the edge of the kitchen worktop close to where the handset of the Kitchen telephone was off its cradle and the supply of 0. 22 amunition was readily available to the shooter. And of course, there are also the bloodied straition impact marks found upon the lower part of the right arm and in the region of a right wrist which could only have been made when. The ejecting spent brass cartridge cases stroke back part of the body when exiting from the rifle. There appears to be some evidence available in key photographs that's one of the ejected brass cartridges struck that part of Sheila's arm which were bloodstained and or free from the presence of blood. In the latter case, the blood free brass cartridge cases which struck the arm left light bruising there, as opposed to bloodstained stration impact marks that were left on that part of the arm!

Let us also not forget, that it was the police themselves who were maintaining that Sheila's hands was spotlessly clean, free from significant levels of Lead deposits, suggesting that she had not handled any of the necessary additional ammunition required to have been loaded into the gun to enable her to have carried out the shootings! It is believed to be rather significant to note, that the police did not take any hand swabs with a view to detecting firearms residue which may have been present upon Sheila's hands, or anywhere at all on her body, and in particular, upon her light blue nightdress! The police obviously and deliberately deceived everyone with regard to all of these features, which served to Bolster up the prosecutions case at Jeremy Bambers trial...

It is no longer tenable for the police and the prosecuting authorities to continue to maintain that shield hands was spotlessly clean and that Sheila have not handled any of the additional rounds of live ammunition necessary to enable her to carry out the shootings to the extent that they were carried out!

The location, position, shape and size of the bloodstained stration impact marks which were present on that unique part of Sheila's lower right arm and right wrist, is a piece very compelling evidence to confirm that she did indeed not only load the additional live rounds of ammunition into the gun, but that she also held the rifle with the fingers of her left hand at the trigger using her right extended arm and her right hand to support and aim the barrel of the gun at the targets that she did shoot at. The direction in which the blood stained striation impact marks travelled upon striking her arm there, has an equivalent trajectory comparable with the path that ejecting brass cartridge cases would have taken after exiting the ejection port on the right hand side of the gun. I am extremely confident that when these images are looked at and analysed by a reputable ballistics expert, that it will be confirmed officially that it is conclusive proof that Sheila Caffell had indeed fired that rifle, repeatedly.

Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2018, 09:35:AM
I would just like to confirm that in 2003/2004 that I was present at Birdwell, junction 36 of the M1 shooting club, when I duplicate anschutz rifle, along with Healy point 22 long rifle subsonic hollow point ammunition was test fired in the gun, at a time when 17 baffled Parker Hale silencer was both attached to the end of the guns barrel, and with the silencer absent! These tests work carried out by Glenn Smith and Keith Mallinson in the underground shooting facility range located there. I was an Observer, I was stood inside the Range officers office looking out towards the shooting range where these experiments and tests will being carried out! I can see with certainty that each time a live round was fired from the anshuzt rifle, what's a corresponding spent brass cartridge case was ejected from the ejection Port situated on the right hand side of the gun! The direction in which these brass casings were being thrown from the weapon was in a forward slightly to the right trajectory! I noticed with interest how the exiting brass cartridge cases we're turning head over heel and spinning on many occasions during their flight path away from the gun and away from the shooter who was firing the gun! On on these occasions, the rifle was being held in the way that it was designed by the manufacturer to be used, for example, buy a right-handed shooter, or marksman! In these instances, both Glenn Smith and Keith Mallinson, held the weapon on the right side of their body near to the right shoulder, fingers of right hand at Trigger and left hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun at the target paper down/along the range. On none of the occasions when Smith or Mallinson fired the weapon in this way, did I see any ejecting brass cartridge case strike any part of their body or the barrel end of the gun!

However, it was pointed out to me by them both, what is the gun was being held and used by a left-handed shooter/marksman, for example, the fingers of the left hand at the trigger, and the right-hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun, with the weapon held on the left-hand side of the body in the region of the left shoulder whllst firing the weapon, that this would be problematic, in the sense that the ejected brass cartridge cases which were being flung from the ejection port on the right hand side of the gun, would almost certainly strike the extended lower part of the right arm and hand which was supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun! This was in fact demonstrated to me on one occasion by a range officer! At the time of this demonstration the Range officer in question deliberately held the rifle with the fingers on his left hand on the trigger, and his right hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun, on the left-hand side of his body! He was wearing a long sleeved shirt which effectively protected the lower part of his right arm, which he told me would be taking the Brunt of the escaping brass cartridge cases that were going to be flung from the ejection port of the gun each time he fired a live round by activating the trigger mechanism! He then proceeded to fire the weapon and I observed the features he had told me about! The ejecting brass cartridge cases were striking slightly different parts of his lower right arm and the wrist area of his right hand! On this occasion, the Range officer stood perfectly still in the same posture whilst firing the gun until it was completely empty of live rounds!

Shortly afterwards, the same range officer demonstrated to me what happens when the barrel of the gun is moved about rapidly in between the firing of each live round accompanied by each individual ejecting brass cartridge case. For example, in between each shot the Range officer swiftly moved the aim of the guns barrel from side to side, and occasionally, slightly up and downwards rapidly, and vice versa! On these occasions most of the ejecting brass cartridge cases failed to strike the lower part of his arm or his right hand!

Based on observing this type of rifle being fired in these ways, I am a certain as I can be, that the blood-stained stration impact marks that were present on the lower part of Sheilas right arm and in the region of her right wrist will caused as results of her firing the gun and shooting the other four victims dead during this tragedy!

the following bloodstained marks that were formed on the front lower part of Sheila caffells right arm and wrist were clearly caused as a result of  the Brass cartridge cases that was flung from the ejection Port situated on the right hand side of the rifle forward of the trigger mechanism at the time Sheila was in possession of the rifle and firing bullets at the victims in different parts of the house!

At the time she was in possession of the rifle and using it, she was holding the rifle on the left side of the body with the butt of it against her left shoulder the fingers of her right hand on the trigger with the left hand supporting the wooden butt of the gun
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2018, 11:25:PM
Sheila shot the other for victims of this there can been very little doubt!

She adopted the following posture, fingers of left hand at Trigger, the right hand holding and directing the rifle at the victims that she shot at..

This had the effect of causing the ejecting brass cartridge cases which were blood stained to strike the lower part of a right arm and right wrist, as shown below:-
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2018, 09:57:PM
Sheila shot the others, but she did not shoot herself, not once, not twice!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2018, 10:09:PM
The claim that there wasn't a mark on her body to support the case for her being the shooter, was a dishonest opinion, by the police, and their ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher. The bloodstained impact straition marks that were present upon the lower right arm and wrist area, contradicts the handswab evidence which focussed upon a lack of deposits of lead on the hands! What was also not reported on was that firearms discharge residue was found to be present upon Sheila Caffell's light blue nightdress, residue which is consistent with her having been the shooter!

Let's put it this way, the bloodstained straition impact markings on that critical part of Sheila's lower right arm and the firearms discharge residue found upon her nightdress, far outweighs the lack of Lead deposit found upon the hand swabs, and yet the prosecution withheld the critical evidence of bloodstained stration impact markings on the lower part of Sheilas right arm, together with firearms discharge residue being found upon Sheila's night dress!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2018, 10:22:PM
The police who tampered with Sheila Caffell's body are responsible for making everyone think or believe that Sheila Caffell handled the anshuzt rifle, normally!

If Jeremy had been the shooter of his sister, he would not have stage managed her death scene (as a right handed shooter) anywhere inside the farmhouse, downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the main bedroom floor, because he knew that Sheila didn't handle guns, such as rifles and shotguns adopting the fingers of the right hand at trigger, left hand steadying and aiming the rifle, Jeremy knew that Sheila favoured holding rifles in region of her left shoulder, fingers of left hand on the trigger, and her right hand supporting and aiming the barrel - as such, it would have been a pointless exercise if Jeremy had been the shooter, and he alone had staged his sister's body, as claimed!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2018, 09:12:AM
The police who tampered with Sheila Caffell's body are responsible for making everyone think or believe that Sheila Caffell handled the anshuzt rifle, normally!

If Jeremy had been the shooter of his sister, he would not have stage managed her death scene (as a right handed shooter) anywhere inside the farmhouse, downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the main bedroom floor, because he knew that Sheila didn't handle guns, such as rifles and shotguns adopting the fingers of the right hand at trigger, left hand steadying and aiming the rifle, Jeremy knew that Sheila favoured holding rifles in region of her left shoulder, fingers of left hand on the trigger, and her right hand supporting and aiming the barrel - as such, it would have been a pointless exercise if Jeremy had been the shooter, and he alone had staged his sister's body, as claimed!

This is because Jeremy knew that other members of his family had seen him teaching Sheila how to fire the rifle on a few occasions!  Not to be forgotten, also is the fact that David Boutflour had coached Sheila how to hold and fire shotguns. So, with this in mind, and had Jeremy been the shooter of all the family, including his sister, it beggars belief that when it came round to staging his sister's death as a suicide, that he would have positioned her body in possession of the gun, in keeping with how he knew Sheila was known how to handle the gun, for example, gun at left shoulder region, fingers of left hand at trigger, and right hand supporting and aiming the rifle!

I can't see someone like Jeremy Bamber making such a humongous blunder surrounding this matter, had he been the killer!!
Title: Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2018, 09:31:AM
In discussions I had with Jeremy whilst we were both incarcerated at HMP Full Sutton, nr York (1989/1990) I learned that he was left handed, and that when he handled and fired guns, such as shotguns and rifles, that he invariably held the gun in the region of his left shoulder, fingers of his left hand at the trigger, and his right hand supporting and aiming the rifle! When I discovered this, I didn't pay much attention to the fact that the anshuzt rifle was designed for a right handed shooter, or to the fact that not only could a left handed  person hold and fire the gun adopting a right handed stance (gun to right shoulder region, fingers of right hand at trigger, and left hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the gun), and I didn't at that stage realise the significance of the position of the ejection port on the right hand side of the guns breach forward of the trigger mechanism, and how ejected spent brass cartridge cases got flung out of the gun, in a forward direction in such a way, that the gun had been designed so that when fired by the shooter, none of the ejecting brass casings would strike any part of the shooters body!

It wasn't until many years later, that I found out more about this feature of the rifle, and I found out that the rifle could still be handled and fired safely by a left or a right handed person - what mattered when it came down to personal safety, was that the shooter always held the gun in the region of the right shoulder when firing it, with the fingers of their right hand at the trigger, and their left hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the rifle and firing it, since in these instances the ejecting brass cartridge cases would always be flung towards and away from any part of the shooters body!

However, when handled in the opposite manner, gun in region of left shoulder, by either a left or a right handed shooter, with the fingers of their left hand at trigger, and right hand supporting and aiming the barrel of the rifle, there was always a near certainty chance that any exiting brass cartridge cases that were being flung from the ejection port on the right hand side of the weapon might strike the lower part of the shooters extend right arm/wrist because that part of the shooters body was positioned along the trajectory taken by spent cartridge cases!