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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: nugnug on October 17, 2017, 03:53:PM

Title: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 17, 2017, 03:53:PM
rwb stated clearly that his motive for doing what he did wasnt money.

now if thats true why does ap need to take him to court for his share of neviles cash why doesnt rwb just give it to him.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2017, 04:12:PM
That would have been a question best avoided I think. ;)
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 17, 2017, 04:17:PM
well its not the actions who isnt intrested in neviles money.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 05:54:PM
rwb stated clearly that his motive for doing what he did wasnt money.

now if thats true why does ap need to take him to court for his share of neviles cash why doesnt rwb just give it to him.

It wasn't technically RB's money, it was Pamela's money.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2017, 06:16:PM
It wasn't technically RB's money, it was Pamela's money.

That's a very valid point. It reminds me that it was the Speakmans, rather than the Boutflours, who held the wealth. They were the business people, the Boutflours, I believe, were academics. It's pushed that RWB was the one who pulled the strings, but it was Pam who held the purse strings. It can, of course, be argued that Pam gave him free rein, but it's only conjecture.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 17, 2017, 06:21:PM
but we are not talking about the entire  speaking estatewe just talking nevile share and of course neviles own estate.

pam would of still had a fair share of the money so this is funny behavior for people who say there not concerned about money.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2017, 06:34:PM
Didn't Pamela say she hadn't wanted the money ? Therefore RWB would have " taken charge ".
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2017, 06:35:PM
Didn't Pamela say she hadn't wanted the money ? Therefore RWB would have " taken charge ".

I thought she divided it between David and Ann.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 06:41:PM
but we are not talking about the entire we just talking nevile share and of course neviles own estate.

pam would of still had a fair share of the money so this is funny behavior for people who say there not concerned about money.

I don't know why it took the threat of a court case to make Pamela give up Nevill's estate.

It would have been great if the money had gone to charity and then none of them would have had it.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2017, 06:42:PM
I thought she divided it between David and Ann.






AP had been missed out though and Pamela wouldn't have let that happen.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2017, 06:49:PM





AP had been missed out though and Pamela wouldn't have let that happen.

AP wasn't Pam's family. He was a product of the distaff side of Nevill's family.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2017, 06:53:PM
AP wasn't Pam's family. He was a product of the distaff side of Nevill's family.






Even so,he was still more a part of the family than Sheila or Jeremy had been.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 17, 2017, 06:54:PM
I don't know why it took the threat of a court case to make Pamela give up Nevill's estate.

It would have been great if the money had gone to charity and then none of them would have had it.

well as they allready had all of speakmen estate the dident really need neviles as well that was just pure greed.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 06:56:PM
well as they allready had all of speakmen estate the dident really need neviles as well that was just pure greed.

I've never understood why Nevill's estate was awarded to Pamela anyway.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 17, 2017, 07:00:PM
I've never understood why Nevill's estate was awarded to Pamela anyway.
Because Nevill's intentions post-mortem were that his wife should inherit. All this talk of commorientes yesterday overlooked the fact of the wishes of the people concerned.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 07:03:PM
Because Nevill's intentions post-mortem were that his wife should inherit. All this talk of commorientes yesterday overlooked the fact of the wishes of the people concerned.

His wife was dead, and he didn't intend his money to go to her relatives. What did June's Will say?
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 17, 2017, 07:06:PM
His wife was dead, and he didn't intend his money to go to her relatives. What did June's Will say?
June left her money to Jeremy and the Maida Vale flat to Sheila, along with some land and a lease on Osea Road, which Jeremy could buy her out if he so wished.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2017, 07:06:PM





Even so,he was still more a part of the family than Sheila or Jeremy had been.

How so? He was a nephew. Sheila and Jeremy were daughter and son.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2017, 07:07:PM
Given that only a couple of hundred was originally going to the Boutflours,I'd have said that June's Will would have contained similar.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2017, 07:09:PM
I've never understood why Nevill's estate was awarded to Pamela anyway.

Because Nevill's estate was left to June, and June's next of kin was Pamela.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2017, 07:12:PM
How so? He was a nephew. Sheila and Jeremy were daughter and son.






Not by blood.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 07:20:PM
Because Nevill's estate was left to June, and June's next of kin was Pamela.

But they don't know who died first - Nevill or June. It would be presumed that June did because she was older, and therefore Nevill couldn't have left his money to her.

Nevill's next of kin were AP and Jackie.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2017, 07:23:PM





Not by blood.

AP wasn't related to June by blood either, but her children were as much hers, by adoption, as they would have been had they been biological...................but I don't believe you didn't know that.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 07:25:PM
Actually, Nevill only left June the house at Goldhanger and his personal chattels.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 17, 2017, 07:36:PM
Actually, Nevill only left June the house at Goldhanger and his personal chattels.
I think the authors have contradicted themselves on this point because I have read similar, but in Chapter 15 of CAL it's quite plainly stated that Nevill left his estate to June, by which I assume she means the money. Should June predecease him then Nevill's estate was divided equally between Jeremy and Sheila. It's ambiguous because Nevill tied Jeremy to the Farm by making the proviso that he had to be farming to the satisfaction of the Henry Smith trustees for him to inherit the Farm.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 17, 2017, 08:31:PM
I've never understood why Nevill's estate was awarded to Pamela anyway.

might of had something to do with basel.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Steve_uk on October 17, 2017, 08:35:PM
might of had something to do with basel.
He was the one who put it in Jeremy's mind that the order of deaths might be important. I'm sure Jeremy realized at that point that it was irrelevant as long as he was first in line.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 09:55:PM
I think the authors have contradicted themselves on this point because I have read similar, but in Chapter 15 of CAL it's quite plainly stated that Nevill left his estate to June, by which I assume she means the money. Should June predecease him then Nevill's estate was divided equally between Jeremy and Sheila. It's ambiguous because Nevill tied Jeremy to the Farm by making the proviso that he had to be farming to the satisfaction of the Henry Smith trustees for him to inherit the Farm.

I'm going by the Will I've read on here, but perhaps there was a different one.

Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Kaldin on October 17, 2017, 10:08:PM
might of had something to do with basel.

Yes - he was the executor of both Wills.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 17, 2017, 11:48:PM
He was the one who put it in Jeremy's mind that the order of deaths might be important. I'm sure Jeremy realized at that point that it was irrelevant as long as he was first in line.

the order of death only becomes important after jeremys conviction

as neviles oldest jeremy was the heir undisputed untill his conviction

he had no reason to concern himself about the order of death.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 10:20:AM
the order of death only becomes important after jeremys conviction

as neviles oldest jeremy was the heir undisputed untill his conviction

he had no reason to concern himself about the order of death.







I can't imagine such a discussion taking place after a mass murder.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2017, 11:22:AM
well it just wasnt really that important untill jeremys arest then it became very important luckly for rwb mugfords staements gave an order of death was that just pure luck.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 11:43:AM
well it just wasnt really that important untill jeremys arest then it became very important luckly for rwb mugfords staements gave an order of death was that just pure luck.






As if anyone really knew ? When the appx.times of death were never recorded.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2017, 11:51:AM
no your right it wasnt andwithout mugfords evdence even if jeremy had been convicted of murder the money would rightfully belong to colin.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 11:56:AM
Certainly a portion of it,to which JB would have provided if he'd never been sent out of the way.
I wonder if the relatives made any offers to Colin,out of kindness and respect ?
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2017, 12:13:PM
rwbs cliam in court that he wasnt intrested in the money is looking increasingly like perjury.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 12:27:PM
Certainly a portion of it,to which JB would have provided if he'd never been sent out of the way.
I wonder if the relatives made any offers to Colin,out of kindness and respect ?

However well meaning such an offer may have been, whatever the amount, it would have been in very poor taste.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 12:35:PM
However well meaning such an offer may have been, whatever the amount, it would have been in very poor taste.






Why would it ?
 Then again,it wouldn't have been handed in good faith,would it ?
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2017, 12:45:PM
he wasnt going to offer colin anything or anybody else thats very clear he wasnt even going to offer ap his rightfull share.

he had got a will changed to cheat everybody out of there rightfull share.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 12:49:PM
he wasnt going to offer colin anything or anybody else thats very clear he wasnt even going to offer ap his rightfull share.

he had got a will changed to cheat everybody out of there rightfull share.

It wouldn't have mattered whether Jeremy or the family had made Colin a financial offer. Either would have been equally distasteful.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 12:53:PM
I don't believe this? Are you REALLY so insensitive as to ask "Why would it"?







I'm NOT insensitive. I'm very philanthropic when it comes to helping those who were in Colin's position and therefore go the right way about it too !
As I said,JB would have slipped him a few quid-----------it's what you do,or you WOULDN'T do.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 12:54:PM
rwb stated clearly that his motive for doing what he did wasnt money.

now if thats true why does ap need to take him to court for his share of neviles cash why doesnt rwb just give it to him.

Many psychopaths choose not to murder, preferring instead to become MP's, CEO's etc etc

Psychopaths suffer from boredom

Psychopaths seek out entertainment

The core to all psychopaths is theor deep seated need for power and control



Here are a few of Bambers traits, as evidenced;


 Criminally minded/criminally versatile - weed cultivation and supply of a controlled substance

 Blatant disregard for the feelings of others - burglary and robbing from his own family

 Promiscuity - numerous short term relationships, one night stands, relationships with men, cheating on    partners

 Grandiose sense of himself

 Grandiose sense of entitlement - as evidence re his obsession with money

 Blatant disregard for the safety of others

 Anti social behaviour

 Animal cruelty

 Smear campaigns

 Glib, superficial charm
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 12:58:PM






I'm NOT insensitive. I'm very philanthropic when it comes to helping those who were in Colin's position and therefore go the right way about it too !
As I said,JB would have slipped him a few quid-----------it's what you do,or you WOULDN'T do.

Perhaps it comes down to knowing what's appropriate from another person's perspective. Philanthropy might be better placed, in some cases, by giving to charities.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 01:02:PM
One has to laugh------" psychopaths suffer from boredom " bloody hell,isn't 32 years spent in prison a recipe for boredom,also a test for the bored psychopath ? Absolute rubbish with a capital R.
Now that is insane.

Not even a sign of a confession which could easily have brought him freedom----which he knows,but is as determined to stay put as everyone is determined to keep him there.

He's inside because he's honest. Those keeping him there are dishonest.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:07:PM
Many psychopaths choose not to murder, preferring instead to become MP's, CEO's etc etc

Psychopaths suffer from boredom

Psychopaths seek out entertainment

The core to all psychopaths is theor deep seated need for power and control



Here are a few of Bambers traits, as evidenced;


 Criminally minded/criminally versatile - weed cultivation and supply of a controlled substance

 Blatant disregard for the feelings of others - burglary and robbing from his own family

 Promiscuity - numerous short term relationships, one night stands, relationships with men, cheating on    partners

 Grandiose sense of himself

 Grandiose sense of entitlement - as evidence re his obsession with money

 Blatant disregard for the safety of others

 Anti social behaviour

 Animal cruelty

 Smear campaigns

 Glib, superficial charm

Yep Lookout, they also require minimal sleep -

4/5 hours as they don't excerpt themselves/wear themselves out emotionally or mentally like non psychopaths
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: JackieD on October 18, 2017, 01:10:PM
well it just wasnt really that important untill jeremys arest then it became very important luckly for rwb mugfords staements gave an order of death was that just pure luck.


of course nug nug
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 01:13:PM
One has to laugh------" psychopaths suffer from boredom " bloody hell,isn't 32 years spent in prison a recipe for boredom,also a test for the bored psychopath ? Absolute rubbish with a capital R.
Now that is insane.

Not even a sign of a confession which could easily have brought him freedom----which he knows,but is as determined to stay put as everyone is determined to keep him there.

He's inside because he's honest. Those keeping him there are dishonest.

How on earth has he had time to be bored, Lookout? He devotes time to getting out, baking cakes, writing letters, writing braille. As for not confessing? He might as well stay where he is. At least he's got clothes on his back, a roof over his head, food in his stomach and the chance of doing enough work to earn a bit of money for essentials. If he confessed, he (MIGHT) be out on his backside with nothing and no hope of compensation. If they didn't let him out? I understand child killers aren't looked on too favourably by fellow inmates.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:14:PM

fact

jeremy is not a psychopath and you would be the last person to judge anyone

jeremy sleeps a good 8 hours a day

How do you know how much he sleeps?

Where's your evidence

Thought he worked on his case non stop - surprised he has time to sleep

When does he bang up and get unlocked

Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:28:PM

of course nug nug

Maybe if you stopped caring about what other people think of you Jackie, you too would recognise you have been duped - played - controlled - fooled - call it whatever you like
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:31:PM


jeremy sleeps a good 8 hours a day

I bet he doesn't
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 01:34:PM
How on earth has he had time to be bored, Lookout? He devotes time to getting out, baking cakes, writing letters, writing braille. As for not confessing? He might as well stay where he is. At least he's got clothes on his back, a roof over his head, food in his stomach and the chance of doing enough work to earn a bit of money for essentials. If he confessed, he (MIGHT) be out on his backside with nothing and no hope of compensation. If they didn't let him out? I understand child killers aren't looked on too favourably by fellow inmates.






C'mon,wouldn't you be bored  made to stay inside your house for 32 years ? Not venturing anywhere save for your garden ?

By rights,JB should be kept in seclusion for the daily batterings he gets for being a child killer ?
 Has anyone ever bashed him leaving him black and blue ?
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:35:PM

fact


You are a victim Jackie

"WOMEN ARE NOT GUILTY FOR VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY MEN ON OUR BODY, MIND, AND SPIRIT. THIS VIOLENCE HAPPENS BECAUSE OF MEN'S GREATER POWER AND THEIR MISUSE OF THAT POWER"
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 01:36:PM
It takes a psychopath to know another psychopath !!
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:37:PM





C'mon,wouldn't you be bored  made to stay inside your house for 32 years ? Not venturing anywhere save for your garden ?

By rights,JB should be kept in seclusion for the daily batterings he gets for being a child killer ?
 Has anyone ever bashed him leaving him black and blue ?

Does Jeremy Bamber get battered daily lookout?

Why hasn't someone gone to the papers about this

Surely it's against his human rights
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:40:PM
It takes a psychopath to know another psychopath !!

This is a true statement Lookout

Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 01:42:PM





C'mon,wouldn't you be bored  made to stay inside your house for 32 years ? Not venturing anywhere save for your garden ?

By rights,JB should be kept in seclusion for the daily batterings he gets for being a child killer ?
 Has anyone ever bashed him leaving him black and blue ?

Er, what sort of accommodation would you expect a convicted murderer to be given? For all the time he proclaims innocence, he'll probably be given the benefit of doubt. As we're not given a monthly breakdown of Jeremy's activities -because he's simply NOT that important- it's not possible to say one way or the other, however, if he was going to be bashed, I imagine the bashers would be clever enough to leave bruises where they wouldn't be seen.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 01:44:PM





Charitable causes yes,but there are times when charity begins at home.

And there are times when giving it is inappropriate, especially if it could be seen as being offered compensation for murdered children.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 01:47:PM
Er, what sort of accommodation would you expect a convicted murderer to be given? For all the time he proclaims innocence, he'll probably be given the benefit of doubt. As we're not given a monthly breakdown of Jeremy's activities -because he's simply NOT that important- it's not possible to say one way or the other, however, if he was going to be bashed, I imagine the bashers would be clever enough to leave bruises where they wouldn't be seen.






You must realise that I'm not taking your half-baked answer to my question as one with any relevance in which I asked. As usual,it's a side-track and not a direct reply---------bit like a politician who can't answer the question put before him.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 01:47:PM
By rights,JB should be kept in seclusion for the daily batterings he gets for being a child killer ?
 Has anyone ever bashed him leaving him black and blue ?

Simon Hall was terrified of other prisoners following his confession

He was moved to another prison wing but it made no difference - he remained in fear of his life

He was eventually transferred to Wayland

Look what happened to the prisoner governor there
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2017, 01:56:PM
theres seems to be a concerted effort here to distract from the main toic of the thread.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 02:00:PM
theres seems to be a concerted effort here to distract from the main toic of the thread.

If it wasn't about money - it was because he just could - he didn't care - he was bored - needed some excitement - needed to know how it felt to murder his family in cold blood and try to get away with it
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 18, 2017, 02:02:PM





What's with this new word you keep using ? Segway. What the dickens is a Segway ?

You didn't answer everything at all as I first asked what you'd do if you spent 32 inside your home without a glimpse of the outside world. Would you or would you not be bored ??

He sees the outside world on his TV and when he goes for daily walks round the yard

Prison is a world within a world Lookout. He won't know any different nor will he probably care

His 100"s of daily letters from his supporters will keep his mind focused on what's going on out here
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 02:03:PM





What's with this new word you keep using ? Segway. What the dickens is a Segway ?

You didn't answer everything at all as I first asked what you'd do if you spent 32 inside your home without a glimpse of the outside world. Would you or would you not be bored ??

Hopefully, Lookout, I'd cut my coat accordingly. There are PLENTY who, through no fault of their own, are confined within 4 walls all their lives. There probably WOULD -given that none of us feel exactly the same on a daily basis- be times when I felt bored, but life is what it is and we all have to make the best of the situations we find ourselves in. Which I'd guess is what Jeremy has done.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 02:06:PM
Hopefully, Lookout, I'd cut my coat accordingly. There are PLENTY who, through no fault of their own, are confined within 4 walls all their lives. There probably WOULD -given that none of us feel exactly the same on a daily basis- be times when I felt bored, but life is what it is and we all have to make the best of the situations we find ourselves in. Which I'd guess is what Jeremy has done.







Patience is a virtue.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2017, 02:12:PM
If it wasn't about money - it was because he just could - he didn't care - he was bored - needed some excitement - needed to know how it felt to murder his family in cold blood and try to get away with it


it was rwb who said his actions were not about money wich we are starting to establish was a total lie it was only ever about for rwb.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 02:14:PM






Patience is a virtue.

The choice is his, but it would hardly be seemly for a convicted killer to complain of boredom.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Jane on October 18, 2017, 02:19:PM

it was rwb who said his actions were not about money wich we are starting to establish was a total lie it was only ever about for rwb.

I challenge you, then. You establish beyond a shadow of doubt, what was in RWB's else's mind. All you'll be able to do is establish what is your own opinion of it.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2017, 02:26:PM
I challenge you, then. You establish beyond a shadow of doubt, what was in RWB's else's mind. All you'll be able to do is establish what is your own opinion of it.

well its very clear its money its proved by the fact that ap had to take him and pam to get his rightfull share.

its proved by the fact that the new speakman will excluded not jeremy but everybody exept pam.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 02:35:PM
The choice is his, but it would hardly be seemly for a convicted killer to complain of boredom.








You're right-----as they'd have topped themselves before now.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2017, 05:07:PM
Jane,you're the one who's forever saying " it's all about me ".Well you're right ! Do you honestly think that a selfish person such as myself would think outside the family circle ? I'm too busy keeping warm,well-fed bills paid,etc etc to be worrying about anyone else. I'm not very good at sharing emotions outside my family.

Trudi of the CT amazes me-------a husband 6 children,running a business and time for JB. Now that's involvement !
A few thousand posts on a forum doesn't equate to what goes on behind the scenes supporting Jeremy,but it doesn't mean to say they're emotionally involved.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: maggie on October 18, 2017, 08:09:PM
OK  I have removed many posts.

THE BEHAVOUR BY SOME POSTERS HAS BEEN APPALLING. 

GANGING UP ON OTHER POSTERS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

IF THIS BEHAVOUR DOESN'T STOP I SHALL BE BANNING THOSE RESPONSIBLE. 

TAKE THIS AS A FINAL WARNING, AND GROW UP.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 11:12:AM
If it wasn't about money - it was because he just could - he didn't care - he was bored - needed some excitement - needed to know how it felt to murder his family in cold blood and try to get away with it

I think it was mainly about the money - he chose the money over them. People keep suggesting that the amount wouldn't be worth killing for - to them maybe but people have been murdered for a LOT less. Back then, that was a LOT of money.

Two people up here have just been sentenced to 17 years because they killed someone for a FIVER! Scum bags!
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 11:15:AM
I think it was mainly about the money - he chose the money over them. People keep suggesting that the amount wouldn't be worth killing for - to them maybe but people have been murdered for a LOT less. Back then, that was a LOT of money.

Two people up here have just been sentenced to 17 years because they killed someone for a FIVER! Scum bags!

the money certainly gives Jeremy a good reason to comit the money also gives mugford a good rason to lie money also gives rwb a good reason to plant evidence.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 11:18:AM
the money certainly gives Jeremy a good reason to comit the money also gives mugford a good rason to lie money also gives rwb a good reason to plant evidence.

How does it give Julie a reason to lie?
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 19, 2017, 11:19:AM
the money certainly gives Jeremy a good reason to comit the money also gives mugford a good rason to lie money also gives rwb a good reason to plant evidence.

These are your own projections. What you are asserting is all parties were manipulative but have provided no evidence to show this



Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 11:23:AM
How does it give Julie a reason to lie?

25 thousand pounds is a good reason to lie.

in those days it was an even better one.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 11:35:AM
25 thousand pounds is a good reason to lie.

in those days it was an even better one.

Well, the problem with that is that Julie wasn't offered £25,000.00 until long AFTER she went to the police so that wasn't her incentive.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Adam on October 19, 2017, 11:47:AM
Well, the problem with that is that Julie wasn't offered £25,000.00 until long AFTER she went to the police so that wasn't her incentive.

Wasn't it offerred well over a year aftetwards ?

Nugs's motive theory for Julie has to be dismissed.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 11:50:AM
Well, the problem with that is that Julie wasn't offered £25,000.00 until long AFTER she went to the police so that wasn't her incentive.

erm why dont know that becouse we are not allowed to see all her interviews.

you cant possbly know when an informal negotion started.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 12:05:PM
erm why dont know that becouse we are not allowed to see all her interviews.

you cant possbly know when an informal negotion started.

Yes, we do know that! Perhaps you don't - but hey ho!
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 12:06:PM
Wasn't it offerred well over a year aftetwards ?

Nugs's motive theory for Julie has to be dismissed.

It was certainly a long while after.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 12:11:PM
Yes, we do know that! Perhaps you don't - but hey ho!

you know noting of the sort an informal negation is by it nature informall.

all you know is when a deal was agread.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Adam on October 19, 2017, 12:24:PM
Nugs is again saying what he hoped happened of which he again has no proof.

The evidence is that the NOTW approached Julie over a year after the massacre, near the end of the trial.

They had received inside information Bamber was guilty but still wanted a big Sunday exclusive which they realised were not going to get with Bamber. Standard procedure from a newspaper.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: notsure on October 19, 2017, 12:32:PM
 Projections are when you are forcing your opinions on others and there’s only one person on here that does that argumentatively and aggressively.

It’s so unecessaery and completely destroys any chance of a real debate.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: ngb1066 on October 19, 2017, 12:41:PM
Nugs is again saying what he hoped happened of which he again has no proof.

The evidence is that the NOTW approached Julie over a year after the massacre, near the end of the trial.

They had received inside information Bamber was guilty but still wanted a big Sunday exclusive which they realised were not going to get with Bamber. Standard procedure from a newspaper.

Not true.  It was before the trial.

Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 12:45:PM
you know noting of the sort an informal negation is by it nature informall.

all you know is when a deal was agread.

In order for your interpretation to be correct, Julie would have to have gone to the newspaper before the police. That didn't happen.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 19, 2017, 12:48:PM
In order for your interpretation to be correct, Julie would have to have gone to the newspaper before the police. That didn't happen.

But it appears Bamber like to attempt to make it appear that it did  ::)

Smoke and mirrors springs to mind
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: JackieD on October 19, 2017, 01:44:PM
Not true.  It was before the trial.


Thank you Ngb for once again having to state what is actually true
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 02:36:PM
Not true.  It was before the trial.

But not before she went to the police.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 19, 2017, 02:47:PM
But not before she went to the police.

You see Caroline, this is how the lines get blurred.

JM did not speak to the press before she spoke with the police
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2017, 02:49:PM
Projections are when you are forcing your opinions on others and there’s only one person on here that does that argumentatively and aggressively.

It’s so unecessaery and completely destroys any chance of a real debate.






Hello notsure,nice to see you------but not for long I suspect. :(
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 02:50:PM
You see Caroline, this is how the lines get blurred.

JM did not speak to the press before she spoke with the police

I think she was advised to talk to the press by Jones and her solicitor so it had to be after the police. I doubt either would have advised her to go to a newspaper before getting what they believed to be the full story so it had to be some times after she came forward.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 02:55:PM
Projections are when you are forcing your opinions on others and there’s only one person on here that does that argumentatively and aggressively.

It’s so unecessaery and completely destroys any chance of a real debate.

Hi Notsure :) - I think there are more than one, people just have different way of doing it. It's hard to have any 'real' debate because too many people take things personally.



Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: ngb1066 on October 19, 2017, 03:10:PM
But not before she went to the police.

True.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 03:16:PM
I think she was advised to talk to the press by Jones and her solicitor so it had to be after the police. I doubt either would have advised her to go to a newspaper before getting what they believed to be the full story so it had to be some times after she came forward.

and why would he of been advising her to do that.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Stephanie on October 19, 2017, 03:17:PM
and why would he of been advising her to do that.

So they had HER story as opposed to Bambers BS
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 03:23:PM
So they had HER story as opposed to Bambers BS

ibut if the police had her statement it dident matter why would a policeman be advising somone to tell there story to a newspaper.

the only reson is it was a bribe for giving the right statement.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: susan on October 19, 2017, 04:00:PM





Hello notsure,nice to see you------but not for long I suspect. :(

Hello lookout  I hope notsure does hang around she is a great poster and a lovely lady :)
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2017, 04:21:PM
Hello lookout  I hope notsure does hang around she is a great poster and a lovely lady :)







Hello Susan,she is a nice person,I agree. ( sorry for the delay,a neighbour called in )
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Adam on October 19, 2017, 04:42:PM
Not true.  It was before the trial.

The trial only lasted 6 weeks, so that doesn't shorten it much.

When did the NOTW contact her then ?
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: guest154 on October 19, 2017, 04:45:PM
But not before she went to the police.

Which means that her police statments, which she would have been quizzed on at trial. Came before the NOTW story.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Adam on October 19, 2017, 04:52:PM
I doubt that the NOTW contacted Julie for a long time.

The trial was a year away & Bamber was the main person. 

Julie was probably an afterthought after the NOTW realised Bamber could be convicted.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 05:04:PM
why would a policeman tell her to sell her story to a newspaper normally thats the last thing the police would want as it would jeopordise the conviction.

and why is a witness engaging a soliceter.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2017, 05:08:PM
JM was given the same solicitor who'd acted for RWB. Wasn't that cosy ?
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 05:13:PM
JM was given the same solicitor who'd acted for RWB. Wasn't that cosy ?

do you know that for a fact lookout where does it come from.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2017, 05:23:PM
do you know that for a fact lookout where does it come from.







Yes it was on the forum a few days ago when the Will was being discussed.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 05:27:PM


i see ill have to go and have a look for it can you remember his name.



Yes it was on the forum a few days ago when the Will was being discussed.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2017, 05:33:PM
The company of solicitors was called Ellison,but I've forgotten the name of the actual solicitor. It's obvious that RWB would put JM onto the same firm, and solicitor who was dealing with the case,though iffy to me all the same.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2017, 06:13:PM
The company of solicitors was called Ellison,but I've forgotten the name of the actual solicitor. It's obvious that RWB would put JM onto the same firm, and solicitor who was dealing with the case,though iffy to me all the same.

i have checked they were diffrent soliciters im not sure weather they worked for the same firm though.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: notsure on October 19, 2017, 06:45:PM

Hey lookout thanks. I look in most days and try and keep up with the chats . Not been posting much as not much going on to get our teeth into. And going round in circles a better bit gets on my nerves.

Yes no place for sensitivity on here.

Hoping something juicy will be coming soon



Hello notsure,nice to see you------but not for long I suspect. :(
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: notsure on October 19, 2017, 06:49:PM
Hi Notsure :) - I think there are more than one, people just have different way of doing it. It's hard to have any 'real' debate because too many people take things personally.

Hi Caroline thanks, not sure I agree with that but for the sake of peace I’ll go along with it.

Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 07:26:PM
Hi Caroline thanks, not sure I agree with that but for the sake of peace I’ll go along with it.

Still living up to you name?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: Caroline on October 19, 2017, 07:27:PM
Which means that her police statments, which she would have been quizzed on at trial. Came before the NOTW story.

Way before.
Title: Re: if it wasnt about money.
Post by: maggie on October 19, 2017, 09:27:PM
THIS THREAD IS UNLOCKED

I'VE MOVED POSTS RE: BANNING TO OFF TOPIC  AND REMOVED ENDLESS ABUSIVE POSTS.