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Title: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2017, 01:31:PM
Imagine my horror when I just happened to see,not one remark,but a full 6 page thread of abuse and bullying aimed at myself.
This had been made on September 29th 2012 !! to October 1st. 2017, 5 years of CYBERBULLYING !! If it wasn't enough that some idiot thought it clever to write a " poem ",EVERYONE joined in with some form of personal abuse.

I'm not letting this go and WILL report this !! I'm surprised at you John,a once upholder of the law,well we'll see where the law stands with this shall we ??

PS.My daughter works with the police !!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on October 16, 2017, 02:30:PM
I occasionally take a look at some of their threads. There is usually some kind of dig or mockery aimed at members here. I think it's par for the course with them.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 03:10:PM
Imagine my horror when I just happened to see,not one remark,but a full 6 page thread of abuse and bullying aimed at myself.
This had been made on September 29th 2012 !! to October 1st. 2017, 5 years of CYBERBULLYING !! If it wasn't enough that some idiot thought it clever to write a " poem ",EVERYONE joined in with some form of personal abuse.

I'm not letting this go and WILL report this !! I'm surprised at you John,a once upholder of the law,well we'll see where the law stands with this shall we ??

PS.My daughter works with the police !!

How on earth did you manage to find it? :o  You clearly know your way round red better than I.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 03:18:PM
Only 6 pages, that's mild IMO
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 03:23:PM
I'm surprised at you John,a once upholder of the law,well we'll see where the law stands with this shall we ??

What's John got to do with it Lookout?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 03:36:PM
What's John got to do with it Lookout?

It's his forum.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 03:41:PM
It's his forum.

Lookout posted, "I'm not letting this go and WILL report this"

What does she have to report to the police and why is John to blame for other people's opinions
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 03:59:PM
Lookout posted, "I'm not letting this go and WILL report this"

What does she have to report to the police and why is John to blame for other people's opinions

You know very well what the answer is to your questions.  In view of your own experience and your action in involving police in the past I am surprised that you have posted as you have done.

 

 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 03:59:PM
Just found the 'offending' thread. MOST of us are included who were here at the time, but out of 60 or 70 posts, I don't think Lookout is mentioned personally many more than 10 times. Strange how she's up in arms about it. I didn't see anything said of her which hasn't been said here. It's hardly in the same vein as the abuse that Caroline and I are subjected to, and that's WITHOUT mentioning the sexual harassment. I seem to recall Lookout saying words to the effect of it being our own fault, that we set ourselves up for it, which, coincidentally, is exactly what was said on red about regarding their comments about her. I'm sure it will help her to talk to her daughter about it, but I can't see the police taking huge interest in it.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 04:06:PM
Just found the 'offending' thread. MOST of us are included who were here at the time, but out of 60 or 70 posts, I don't think Lookout is mentioned personally many more than 10 times. Strange how she's up in arms about it. I didn't see anything said of her which hasn't been said here. It's hardly in the same vein as the abuse that Caroline and I are subjected to, and that's WITHOUT mentioning the sexual harassment. I seem to recall Lookout saying words to the effect of it being our own fault, that we set ourselves up for it, which, coincidentally, is exactly what was said on red about regarding their comments about her. I'm sure it will help her to talk to her daughter about it, but I can't see the police taking huge interest in it.

Are you sure you have found the right thread?  If so are you really saying you find it acceptable? 

 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 04:32:PM
Are you sure you have found the right thread?  If so are you really saying you find it acceptable? 

 

Neil, my ideas of what's acceptable/unacceptable have shifted somewhat since I started using forums. I TRULY had no idea that people were capable of being so foulmouthed to complete strangers. WORSE! I had no idea I was capable of reciprocation!!! Red was having a pop at us all, but you and I both know that worse has been said here from time to time. However, when I think back to the odious and ignorant posters on some betting forums, we come out looking somewhat better.There's a lot of behaviours here that come under my heading of "unacceptable" -I feel sure you'll agree- but I don't feel we have the right to make too many disparaging noises about what red do, when we exhibit some of the same traits here.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on October 16, 2017, 04:39:PM
There is a lot of that on the red forum. Its usually stuff said about Mike, NGB and Lookout going back as far as 2013.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 04:42:PM
Neil, my ideas of what's acceptable/unacceptable have shifted somewhat since I started using forums. I TRULY had no idea that people were capable of being so foulmouthed to complete strangers. WORSE! I had no idea I was capable of reciprocation!!! Red was having a pop at us all, but you and I both know that worse has been said here from time to time. However, when I think back to the odious and ignorant posters on some betting forums, we come out looking somewhat better.There's a lot of behaviours here that come under my heading of "unacceptable" -I feel sure you'll agree- but I don't feel we have the right to make too many disparaging noises about what red do, when we exhibit some of the same traits here.

I disagree that worse has been said here, but even so where unacceptable posts are made here they are removed.  You also complain about them, although I note you never have done so elsewhere.  What do you think of the "poem" referred to by Lookout?

 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 05:18:PM
I disagree that worse has been said here, but even so where unacceptable posts are made here they are removed.  You also complain about them, although I note you never have done so elsewhere.  What do you think of the "verse" referred to by Lookout?

 

So you don't think derogatory comments -coupled with sexual harassment- directed at members here, are worse than what's been said on red? You may be correct. Lookout seems to think the police will be interested to here what's been said about her. I'm assuming you mean that I've never complained about 'here' anywhere other than here? You'd be correct in that, despite that Lookout has accused me of talking about her on red, it would go against my principles. However, there ARE those from here who -shall we say- do more to encourage such 'banter' on red, than discourage it. I did see a 'verse' about Lookout -I would probably have made up another in return- I'm glad I've not given enough offence, or said anything that's been found to be so objectionable as to encourage such retaliation. Lookout pointed out to me that in her opinion, Caroline and I deserved all we got. When one airs such radical views as are held by Lookout -on just about everything- I guess one shouldn't be surprised if others, rightly or wrongly, wish to express their own views about it.
NB  I got the impression that at the bottom of the 'banter' was something political going on from long before I joined here. Something to do with posters on red having originally been members of blue who'd been banned?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 05:23:PM
I'm assuming you mean that I've never complained about 'here' anywhere other than here? You'd be correct in that, despite that Lookout has accused me of talking about her on red, it would go against my principles.

No, I meant that you have never complained on another forum about offensive posts there directed at members here.  Some view that as condoning such comments.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 05:28:PM
So you don't think derogatory comments -coupled with sexual harassment- directed at members here, are worse than what's been said on red?

No I do not, by a very long measure.  You have clearly forgotten, but I am not going to drag up old posts which were removed long ago by agreement.  I also think "sexual harassment" is somewhat an overstatement. 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: JackieD on October 16, 2017, 05:34:PM
Are you sure you have found the right thread?  If so are you really saying you find it acceptable? 

 


Of course she does, she has made that blatantly clear
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: JackieD on October 16, 2017, 05:40:PM
See some people seem to forget laws regarding the internet

Their names and all their details will be all over the internet
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 05:46:PM
Lookout pointed out to me that in her opinion, Caroline and I deserved all we got.

I've had the same said about me Jane; numerous times!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2017, 05:58:PM

Of course she does, she has made that blatantly clear







Hi Jackie,I hadn't even been aware that the red had a " Jeremy Bamber Forum " and when my laptop was all over the place this morning and the cursor had a mind of its own, it threw up the wrong forum and landed on theirs.That's when I saw that they'd ALL been busy !
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 06:03:PM
Imagine my horror when I just happened to see,not one remark,but a full 6 page thread of abuse and bullying aimed at myself.
This had been made on September 29th 2012 !! to October 1st. 2017, 5 years of CYBERBULLYING !! If it wasn't enough that some idiot thought it clever to write a " poem ",EVERYONE joined in with some form of personal abuse.

I'm not letting this go and WILL report this !! I'm surprised at you John,a once upholder of the law,well we'll see where the law stands with this shall we ??

PS.My daughter works with the police !!


There's "abuse and bullying" aimed at many of us Lookout, you're not alone
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 06:08:PM
No I do not, by a very long measure.  You have clearly forgotten, but I am not going to drag up old posts which were removed long ago by agreement.  I also think "sexual harassment" is somewhat an overstatement.

Neil, I'm not sure to which posts you refer, other than, possibly pm's? Sexual harassment? You think "is somewhat of an overstatement", which is understandable as you weren't on the receiving end of it. I can only ask you to try to imagine how you might feel to see a post, on open forum, which suggests you have homosexual leanings towards another male member here -irrelevant that you'd never seen them, the accusation is out there. It's the difference between the subjective which touches us personally, and the objective which is someone else's problem. Not only were Caroline and I subjected to such an insult, the post in question wasn't removed as quickly as it might have been. However, what's done is done.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 06:15:PM
No, I meant that you have never complained on another forum about offensive posts there directed at members here.  Some view that as condoning such comments.

I've just seen this. I wonder who the "some" are, Neil, if my stance has been under discussion, and by whom, and if you're one of the number who believes me to be condoning?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 06:15:PM
Neil, I'm not sure to which posts you refer, other than, possibly pm's? Sexual harassment? You think "is somewhat of an overstatement", which is understandable as you weren't on the receiving end of it. I can only ask you to try to imagine how you might feel to see a post, on open forum, which suggests you have homosexual leanings towards another male member here -irrelevant that you'd never seen them, the accusation is out there. It's the difference between the subjective which touches us personally, and the objective which is someone else's problem. Not only were Caroline and I subjected to such an insult, the post in question wasn't removed as quickly as it might have been. However, what's done is done.

The post to which you refer was both infantile and inappropriate.  I have to admit that when I first saw it I did not appreciate fully the significance - the sexual innuendo was something I missed.  When you reported the post I looked again and saw and understood the innuendo so I immediately removed the post because it was offensive.  I am not sure it was intended as a literal allegation but even if it was not it was wrong.  It is the only time anything of that nature has been posted on the forum.  There has been far, far worse posted in the past elsewhere.  I am not going to rake up past examples, but I am sure you remember some of them.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 06:20:PM
The post to which you refer was both infantile and inappropriate.  I have to admit that when I first saw it I did not appreciate fully the significance - the sexual innuendo was something I missed.  When you reported the post I looked again and saw and understood the innuendo so I immediately removed the post because it was offensive.  I am not sure it was intended as a literal allegation but even if it was not it was wrong.  It is the only time anything of that nature has been posted on the forum.  There has been far, far worse posted in the past elsewhere.  I am not going to rake up past examples, but I am sure you remember some of them.

Thank-you for that, Neil.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 06:20:PM
I've just seen this. I wonder who the "some" are, Neil, if my stance has been under discussion, and by whom, and if you're one of the number who believes me to be condoning?

There has been no discussion recently Jane but I have made my views (shared by others) known to you and others some time ago.  We have exchanged PMs in the past on this you may recall.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 07:23:PM
It's his forum.

I cannot imagine he has the time to be on his forum 24/7 surely therefore the responsibility would fall to his moderators
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 07:25:PM
I cannot imagine he has the time to be on his forum 24/7 surely therefore the responsibility would fall to his moderators

Yes on an hourly basis.  However, overall he has complete control over what is posted.  He can decide what stays and what is removed.  He is also the publisher of the forum, which carries the overall legal responsibility.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 07:32:PM
You know very well what the answer is to your questions.  In view of your own experience and your action in involving police in the past I am surprised that you have posted as you have done.

What exactly are you annoyed with me about Ngb; as I get a sense from your post that you are.

You are aware of my experience and indeed the actions involving the police in the past and with whom (there was more than one aggressor). You are also aware of the outcome.




Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 07:42:PM
Yes on an hourly basis.  However, overall he has complete control over what is posted.  He can decide what stays and what is removed.  He is also the publisher of the forum, which carries the overall legal responsibility.

In other words then, if I were to take civil action or indeed legal action against (Jackie and others) in relation to the false and indeed malicious allegations she has continuously made about me on the open board, the legal responsibility would fall to you
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 07:46:PM






Hi Jackie,I hadn't even been aware that the red had a " Jeremy Bamber Forum " and when my laptop was all over the place this morning and the cursor had a mind of its own, it threw up the wrong forum and landed on theirs.That's when I saw that they'd ALL been busy !

Lookout, I'm not perfectly certain how your laptop went "all over the place" and just happened to randomly alight on that particular thread on that particular site -Tommy Cooper's "Jus' like that" comes to mind- I can only think it has to be a site which you use. I'm a member of the site and I'd have had no idea where such a thread could be located.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: susan on October 16, 2017, 07:47:PM
In other words then, if I were to take civil action or indeed legal action against (Jackie and others) in relation to the false and indeed malicious allegations she has continuously made about me on the open board, the legal responsibility would fall to you

Steph I have always thought the responsibility would fall with Mike could be wrong of course.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Steve_uk on October 16, 2017, 07:49:PM
Imagine my horror when I just happened to see,not one remark,but a full 6 page thread of abuse and bullying aimed at myself.
This had been made on September 29th 2012 !! to October 1st. 2017, 5 years of CYBERBULLYING !! If it wasn't enough that some idiot thought it clever to write a " poem ",EVERYONE joined in with some form of personal abuse.

I'm not letting this go and WILL report this !! I'm surprised at you John,a once upholder of the law,well we'll see where the law stands with this shall we ??

PS.My daughter works with the police !!
This is completely unacceptable. I know the temptation is there sitting anonymously at the screen after a hard day, but really posters should stick to the issues involved: hate the crimes but not the personalities on any forum.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 07:56:PM
This is completely unacceptable. I know the temptation is there sitting anonymously at the screen after a hard day, but really posters should stick to the issues involved: hate the crimes but not the personalities on any forum.

Steve, it's not "a full 6 page thread of abuse and bullying aimed at" Lookout. There are 60 or 70 posts -covering a period of 5 years- only around 10 of which are centred on Lookout. OK, they're not very flattering -but not many of us escape- but then how many unflattering posts do many of us regularly receive from -and give to- our fellow posters?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 08:06:PM






Hi Jackie,I hadn't even been aware that the red had a " Jeremy Bamber Forum " and when my laptop was all over the place this morning and the cursor had a mind of its own, it threw up the wrong forum and landed on theirs.That's when I saw that they'd ALL been busy !

You must have looked a the forum before lookout because your computer wouldn't link to a forum you'd never been on in the past. That's not how computers work.

Did someone send you a link maybe and encourage you to look at it/draw your attention to it?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 08:51:PM
I disagree that worse has been said here, but even so where unacceptable posts are made here they are removed.  You also complain about them, although I note you never have done so elsewhere.  What do you think of the "poem" referred to by Lookout?

 

When did you become aware of the "poem" made about Lookout ngb?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2017, 08:54:PM
Lookout, I'm not perfectly certain how your laptop went "all over the place" and just happened to randomly alight on that particular thread on that particular site -Tommy Cooper's "Jus' like that" comes to mind- I can only think it has to be a site which you use. I'm a member of the site and I'd have had no idea where such a thread could be located.






You've no idea what my laptop is like,or was like this morning.  After I'd switched on and wrote a couple of posts on here this morning,the cursor went all over the place and I sat back as it went through all kinds of programmes that I wasn't even using,so I tried to get help from Windows to see what the fault was.
It's a comparatively new laptop and I hate it ( windows 10 ) which I'm not used to. The pointer was just settling on anything that came up and then it highlighted Jeremy bamber forum so I though thank God for that,but----------------it proved to have been the wrong JB forum although there is such a forum on red which I knew nothing about.
The laptop is still not working properly as it doesn't " hold " my passwords and I have to re-sign in if I want a specific heading. It won't accept my email account from my old laptop,so it's just a mess because I have to use my old laptop for emails which means changing them over.

So you see how difficult it is when things go wrong and you end up inadvertantly seeing something you'd wished you'd never seen.

To be honest,I thought I was being hacked this morning. 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 09:04:PM





You've no idea what my laptop is like,or was like this morning.  After I'd switched on and wrote a couple of posts on here this morning,the cursor went all over the place and I sat back as it went through all kinds of programmes that I wasn't even using,so I tried to get help from Windows to see what the fault was.
It's a comparatively new laptop and I hate it ( windows 10 ) which I'm not used to. The pointer was just settling on anything that came up and then it highlighted Jeremy bamber forum so I though thank God for that,but----------------it proved to have been the wrong JB forum although there is such a forum on red which I knew nothing about.
The laptop is still not working properly as it doesn't " hold " my passwords and I have to re-sign in if I want a specific heading. It won't accept my email account from my old laptop,so it's just a mess because I have to use my old laptop for emails which means changing them over.

So you see how difficult it is when things go wrong and you end up inadvertantly seeing something you'd wished you'd never seen.

To be honest,I thought I was being hacked this morning.

If the police seize your laptop in order to support any allegations you make to them, they'll be able to tell you what exactly happened to your computer this morning and they'll also be able to reassure you you weren't hacked. So I wouldn't stress over that.

It's referred to as a footprint Lookout.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 09:08:PM





You've no idea what my laptop is like,or was like this morning.  After I'd switched on and wrote a couple of posts on here this morning,the cursor went all over the place and I sat back as it went through all kinds of programmes that I wasn't even using,so I tried to get help from Windows to see what the fault was.
It's a comparatively new laptop and I hate it ( windows 10 ) which I'm not used to. The pointer was just settling on anything that came up and then it highlighted Jeremy bamber forum so I though thank God for that,but----------------it proved to have been the wrong JB forum although there is such a forum on red which I knew nothing about.
The laptop is still not working properly as it doesn't " hold " my passwords and I have to re-sign in if I want a specific heading. It won't accept my email account from my old laptop,so it's just a mess because I have to use my old laptop for emails which means changing them over.

So you see how difficult it is when things go wrong and you end up inadvertantly seeing something you'd wished you'd never seen.

To be honest,I thought I was being hacked this morning.

That's correct, but I'm willing to bet that when any computer decides to go dolally, it can only go dolally withing the parameters of those sites you've previously visited. My own -Windows 10- doesn't always behave beautifully but I don't live in fear of finding X rated sites filling my screen, because I've never logged onto one...................but I will check with my Godson, just in case I should be concerned.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on October 16, 2017, 09:19:PM





You've no idea what my laptop is like,or was like this morning.  After I'd switched on and wrote a couple of posts on here this morning,the cursor went all over the place and I sat back as it went through all kinds of programmes that I wasn't even using,so I tried to get help from Windows to see what the fault was.
It's a comparatively new laptop and I hate it ( windows 10 ) which I'm not used to. The pointer was just settling on anything that came up and then it highlighted Jeremy bamber forum so I though thank God for that,but----------------it proved to have been the wrong JB forum although there is such a forum on red which I knew nothing about.
The laptop is still not working properly as it doesn't " hold " my passwords and I have to re-sign in if I want a specific heading. It won't accept my email account from my old laptop,so it's just a mess because I have to use my old laptop for emails which means changing them over.

So you see how difficult it is when things go wrong and you end up inadvertantly seeing something you'd wished you'd never seen.

To be honest,I thought I was being hacked this morning.

It sounds like your mouse pointer is sticking and you need to update the driver.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 09:21:PM
What exactly are you annoyed with me about Ngb; as I get a sense from your post that you are.

You are aware of my experience and indeed the actions involving the police in the past and with whom (there was more than one aggressor). You are also aware of the outcome.

You are completely taking the piss Stephanie.  You know what you are doing.  Please stop.  I am not going to debate this with you.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Stephanie on October 16, 2017, 09:31:PM
You are completely taking the piss Stephanie.  You know what you are doing.  Please stop.  I am not going to debate this with you.

Maybe you could PM me to tell me what it is you think I'm doing
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 09:32:PM
When did you become aware of the "poem" made about Lookout ngb?

I became aware when lookout posted.  I looked at the thread.  What is your point?  Do you support the writer of the poem?  Think before you answer Stephanie.

 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 09:40:PM
In other words then, if I were to take civil action or indeed legal action against (Jackie and others) in relation to the false and indeed malicious allegations she has continuously made about me on the open board, the legal responsibility would fall to you

No it would not. I am not the owner of this forum.  I am only an administrator.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 09:47:PM
Steve, it's not "a full 6 page thread of abuse and bullying aimed at" Lookout. There are 60 or 70 posts -covering a period of 5 years- only around 10 of which are centred on Lookout. OK, they're not very flattering -but not many of us escape- but then how many unflattering posts do many of us regularly receive from -and give to- our fellow posters?

Why do you defend this?  It is totally unacceptable. Surely you can see this is not acceptable behaviour?

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 10:03:PM
Why do you defend this?  It is totally unacceptable. Surely you can see this is not acceptable behaviour?

Where have I said it's acceptable, Neil? 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 10:05:PM
Where have I said it's acceptable, Neil?

OK, fair enough Jane.  I am not hostile to you, as I am sure you know.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2017, 10:20:PM
OK, fair enough Jane.  I am not hostile to you, as I am sure you know.

That's good to hear, Neil.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2017, 10:32:PM
NGB,you're a good fair man.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: ngb1066 on October 16, 2017, 10:40:PM
NGB,you're a good fair man.

Thank you lookout. 

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: nugnug on January 11, 2018, 05:22:PM
there theying to out you at the moment lookout they should know 2 can play at that game.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on March 05, 2018, 01:21:PM
I notice the drunken slob's been at it again  ::) Sad creature !!
Look to your own background,girl-----------not so hot was it ? Perhaps that's why your bitterness shows,eh ? 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on March 05, 2018, 03:03:PM
I notice...

They post a load of bollocks over there anyway.  Every time I think this place is woeful, a quick glance over there reminds me things could be even worse.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on March 06, 2018, 02:56:PM
You're right-----------a load of bollocks. ::)
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on March 06, 2018, 03:26:PM
You're right-----------a load of bollocks. ::)

Quote
Adam's List:

1. Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA
Why would they be otherwise?

2. One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA
Dr Vanezis trial testimony said SC had some blood around her wrist.  This wasn't tested so not really sure what it is supposed to prove/disprove?

(1 & 2) How did the blood get transferred to her wrist?  If the answer is 'she moved her hand to her throat after the first shot' - then how would that equate to a blood free palm?  The last time I checked, the ball of your hand is part of your palm.  Now go and follow the trails on her wrist and trace where they apparently came from.  Then try and place your wrist where the wound would be on your own neck, in order to replicate such a transfer.   

(2) And can people not count properly?


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Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on March 06, 2018, 03:36:PM
Those are definite " digs ". Through handling the rifle.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on March 06, 2018, 03:37:PM
(1 & 2) How did the blood get transferred to her wrist?  If the answer is 'she moved her hand to her throat after the first shot' - then how would that equate to a blood free palm?  The last time I checked, the ball of your hand is part of your palm.  Now go and follow the trails on her wrist and trace where they apparently came from.  Then try and place your wrist where the wound would be on your own neck, in order to replicate such a transfer.   

(2) And can people not count properly?


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What are we counting?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on March 06, 2018, 03:40:PM
What are we counting?

Quote
2. One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

 ::)  Courtesy of Adam apparently.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on March 06, 2018, 03:46:PM
::)  Courtesy of Adam apparently.

Ah! ;D
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on March 06, 2018, 03:49:PM
Those are definite " digs ". Through handling the rifle.

I think only one of them is.  The angular mark on inside of her finger is probably from compression against a machined part (that has a corresponding angled edge). There is also smaller faint mark above it which is difficult to see. A secondary bruise?  Like the other marks, it appears on all images of her hand.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on March 06, 2018, 04:10:PM
I think only one of them is.  The angular mark on inside of her finger is probably from compression against a machined part (that has a corresponding angled edge). There is also smaller faint mark above it which is difficult to see. A secondary bruise?  Like the other marks, it appears on all images of her hand.






I would say that they were all " grip/pressure " marks,the same as if you were using scissors for cutting through a piece of carpet ( other than using the proper tools ) There is no doubt in my mind about such marks and I'm somewhat confused that nobody drew the same conclusions at such giveaway signs----------like handling the rifle.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on March 13, 2018, 11:19:AM
Imagine my horror when I just happened to see,not one remark,but a full 6 page thread of abuse and bullying aimed at myself.
This had been made on September 29th 2012 !! to October 1st. 2017, 5 years of CYBERBULLYING !! If it wasn't enough that some idiot thought it clever to write a " poem ",EVERYONE joined in with some form of personal abuse.

I'm not letting this go and WILL report this !! I'm surprised at you John,a once upholder of the law,well we'll see where the law stands with this shall we ??

PS.My daughter works with the police !!





How much longer are you going to continue this CHARADE,Holly ? It's nonsensical and is also unacceptable ? RE : Online abuse and unfounded accusations. I would have thought that you'd have known better ? But alas how mistaken can one be ?? What's your problem ?

I don't see anything in that " adoption post  of 2013 " which contains libel of any description ? Explain !!
My personal opinion is permitted as as yours is,isn't it ?? 

I'm more than aware that if I'd posted anything which was deemed libellous,that NGB would have dealt with it particularly if another poster pm'd him to do so--------but to my knowledge that hasn't come about has it ?

I don't understand the " vulturous " attitude of all you posters on red, because I've done NOTHING to any of you to warrant this continuous slagging-off. Your the type who would shout the loudest if you were ganged up on-----------though the difference here on blue is that nobody here would behave in the way that you lot do. It's pointless,a waste of time and above all,CHILDISH and IMMATURE.
So you disagree with someone ? Does it give you carte blanche to abuse that person to the point of obsession and paranoia ? Because that's how I look at this situation------since 2012 !!

LOOK AT YOURSELVES------PATHETIC !!

Once and for all I'm having all my posts removed and will be leaving the forum so you'll have to find another vulnerable person to bully !!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on March 13, 2018, 12:52:PM
Lookout - Don't let any of them grind you down.  There shouldn't be any sustained or heavy-handed targeting of any poster, either on their forum or ours.  Disagreements yes - targeting no.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on March 19, 2018, 10:42:PM
Lookout - Don't let any of them grind you down.  There shouldn't be any sustained or heavy-handed targeting of any poster, either on their forum or ours.  Disagreements yes - targeting no.

Has lookout left?  :-\
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on March 20, 2018, 10:54:AM
Has lookout left?  :-\

I don't know -  maybe she's having some time-out.  Caroline and Jane also having time-out?  Not sure.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 06, 2018, 10:19:AM
I see a member of both forums is boasting that somebody managed to get a fundraising event shut down.  Maybe the funds could have gone towards any forensic testing requested by CCRC.  Forensic testing that could clarify the circs of the deaths, including the two little boys. 

I'm not saying that's what the funding was for - but there is precedence for further tests being requested by CCRC - which the defence could then not afford to fund - effectively blocking off further understanding of events.

This is just my opinion but people who go out of their way to 'assist' and 'defend' the living relatives are actually showing utter contempt for the deceased relatives.  By supporting one group, you are not supporting the other group. 

If I remember, this same member was lecturing us recently about the credibility of DB's sworn testimony. 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on April 07, 2018, 03:51:PM
I didn't know about any of this. What fund ? How awful-------but I'm not surprised by it at all as it would appear that someone is doing their best to block anything concerning the release of JB.
Nasty things happened concerning the McCann's too.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Steve_uk on April 07, 2018, 04:18:PM
I didn't know about any of this. What fund ? How awful-------but I'm not surprised by it at all as it would appear that someone is doing their best to block anything concerning the release of JB.
Nasty things happened concerning the McCann's too.
Apparently the crowdfunding has raised £12000. Nobody could object to denying the man justice. As far as Madeleine McCann is concerned I would have thought the parents could raise the money independently rather than rely yet again on the taxpayer. http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/15131766.Convicted_killer_____I_will_never_give_up_hope___/
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on April 07, 2018, 04:36:PM
Apparently the crowdfunding has raised £12000. Nobody could object to denying the man justice. As far as Madeleine McCann is concerned I would have thought the parents could raise the money independently rather than rely yet again on the taxpayer. http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/15131766.Convicted_killer_____I_will_never_give_up_hope___/






Wow,I wasn't aware of that either,but what was this latest fund-raiser about and how or where did it materialise,then was blocked and by whom ?
Not that I begrudge the McCann's from searching for their daughter but that case involving the Met does seem to detract from the JB case which appears to remain on the back burner when anything involving the Met,surfaces.
I must take a look on twitter for the up to date snippets.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 07, 2018, 04:57:PM
I didn't know about any of this. What fund ? How awful-------but I'm not surprised by it at all as it would appear that someone is doing their best to block anything concerning the release of JB.

Yeah like I tried to express: in this case, you either support the living relatives or you respect the right of the deceased relatives to have the true facts of their deaths known.  But you can't do both.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on April 07, 2018, 05:06:PM
Yeah like I tried to express: in this case, you either support the living relatives or you respect the right of the deceased relatives to have the true facts of their deaths known.  But you can't do both.





Yes,having read your post,I understand and agree.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on April 08, 2018, 03:09:PM
I'm still not up to speed with this banning debacle and there doesn't appear to be anything in the press--------as you'd expect there to be given the circumstances of the funding ?

There's enough about the woman who'd phoned her relative in prison and got Jeremy instead ??
Also the " threat " to that author via the Scottish newspaper,so why is this different when it involves the same person ?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Steve_uk on April 08, 2018, 03:16:PM
I'm still not up to speed with this banning debacle and there doesn't appear to be anything in the press--------as you'd expect there to be given the circumstances of the funding ?

There's enough about the woman who'd phoned her relative in prison and got Jeremy instead ??
Also the " threat " to that author via the Scottish newspaper,so why is this different when it involves the same person ?
I think she received the call. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-woman-receives-phone-call-12094569
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on April 08, 2018, 03:52:PM
I think she received the call. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-woman-receives-phone-call-12094569





The thing is Steve that anything that goes against the grain re.JB  arouses my suspicion as to why these things are happening and by whom. It also smacks of sour grapes too that some sour-pussed individual can report such events and their aim in doing it. 
You wouldn't do it would you unless of course you were involved in blocking the man's freedom.?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: maggie on April 08, 2018, 03:55:PM




The thing is Steve that anything that goes against the grain re.JB  arouses my suspicion as to why these things are happening and by whom. It also smacks of sour grapes too that some sour-pussed individual can report such events and their aim in doing it. 
You wouldn't do it would you unless of course you were involved in blocking the man's freedom.?
Just read this link. I don't see how Jeremy Bamber's name could come up on someone's phone unless the number was listed on that phone under his name. Guilty or innocent don't see how it could happen.  Why would the relative of another ureter in same prison have JBs name on her phone? There are a few obvious answers but none that would particularly frighten her.  Anyway, isn't JB in Wakefield now?  This must be an old story or has he been moved again?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 08, 2018, 10:36:PM
Someone clued-up needs to seriously explain the case to Steph.  She keeps quoting my posts without having any grasp of what I'm referring to.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on April 09, 2018, 10:28:AM
Good luck with that Roch. You're fighting a losing battle against this world of " tolerance " and PC etc etc.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 17, 2018, 11:09:AM
The exchanges between David and HG have been mildly interesting - but the incessant anti-Jeremy rants are reaching fever-pitch!  Someone should write to him an ask him to personally bake Steph a cake (with this in mind)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPufB6oaJFE
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on April 17, 2018, 11:27:AM
I would think JB knows about all that goes on.

Fortunately he has the intelligence to rise above it and such people in their minority don't matter to him.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 17, 2018, 11:51:AM
I would think JB knows about all that goes on.

Fortunately he has the intelligence to rise above it and such people in their minority don't matter to him.

I very much doubt he would give two hoots about inaccurate and manic rambling.  Bigger fish to fry. 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on April 17, 2018, 12:14:PM
The exchanges between David and HG have been mildly interesting.

I dont know why I bother TBH.

Was her stubborness and catty behavior the reason why she was banned from here?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 17, 2018, 12:22:PM
I dont know why I bother TBH.

Was her stubborness and catty behavior the reason why she was banned from here?

Can't remember but tbf, with regard to yourself, she seems to like the debate. You should keep it going.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on April 17, 2018, 01:43:PM
Can't remember but tbf, with regard to yourself, she seems to like the debate. You should keep it going.

I dont find the blame game very constructive. Specially if the blame is being pointed in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on April 17, 2018, 06:34:PM
Can't remember but tbf, with regard to yourself, she seems to like the debate. You should keep it going.

I give up...

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Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: JackieD on April 17, 2018, 06:46:PM
Just read this link. I don't see how Jeremy Bamber's name could come up on someone's phone unless the number was listed on that phone under his name. Guilty or innocent don't see how it could happen.  Why would the relative of another ureter in same prison have JBs name on her phone? There are a few obvious answers but none that would particularly frighten her.  Anyway, isn't JB in Wakefield now?  This must be an old story or has he been moved again?

More rubbish Maggie
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: JackieD on April 17, 2018, 06:47:PM
 
The exchanges between David and HG have been mildly interesting - but the incessant anti-Jeremy rants are reaching fever-pitch!  Someone should write to him an ask him to personally bake Steph a cake (with this in mind)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPufB6oaJFE

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: JackieD on April 17, 2018, 06:49:PM
I would think JB knows about all that goes on.

Fortunately he has the intelligence to rise above it and such people in their minority don't matter to him.

I’m not sure about the intelligence Lookout or he wouldn’t have got stitched up or let mark wt go
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: JackieD on April 17, 2018, 06:51:PM

How much longer are you going to continue this CHARADE,Holly ? It's nonsensical and is also unacceptable ? RE : Online abuse and unfounded accusations. I would have thought that you'd have known better ? But alas how mistaken can one be ?? What's your problem ?

I don't see anything in that " adoption post  of 2013 " which contains libel of any description ? Explain !!
My personal opinion is permitted as as yours is,isn't it ?? 

I'm more than aware that if I'd posted anything which was deemed libellous,that NGB would have dealt with it particularly if another poster pm'd him to do so--------but to my knowledge that hasn't come about has it ?

I don't understand the " vulturous " attitude of all you posters on red, because I've done NOTHING to any of you to warrant this continuous slagging-off. Your the type who would shout the loudest if you were ganged up on-----------though the difference here on blue is that nobody here would behave in the way that you lot do. It's pointless,a waste of time and above all,CHILDISH and IMMATURE.
So you disagree with someone ? Does it give you carte blanche to abuse that person to the point of obsession and paranoia ? Because that's how I look at this situation------since 2012 !!

LOOK AT YOURSELVES------PATHETIC !!

Once and for all I'm having all my posts removed and will be leaving the forum so you'll have to find another vulnerable person to bully !!

I wonder why Holly isn’t fighting to get John Lambertons conviction overturned ?????
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 19, 2018, 09:57:PM
Apparently Vanezis has had an unblemished career?  Try telling that to Mark Dallagher.

Next she'll be arguing that Drake was unblemished  :))
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on April 20, 2018, 11:25:AM
I wonder why Holly isn’t fighting to get John Lambertons conviction overturned ?????

To be fair, its not like Lamberton has a prison sentence without parole. Same goes for Mike.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on April 20, 2018, 11:56:AM
Apparently Vanezis has had an unblemished career?  Try telling that to Mark Dallagher.

Next she'll be arguing that Drake was unblemished  :))

The discrepancies and contradictions between Vanezis original handwritten autopsy papers and his trial testimony are irrefutable. Whether it was perjury or an honest mistake is beside the point.(I personally think its the latter)

Furthermore in paragraph 186 of the CCRCs reasons to deny an appeal in 2012. They said there was no basis to explore the possibility that the blood in the silencer was a contamination/fabrication.

Its rather obvious that the barrier between JB and his freedom is the CCRCs stonewalling. Hoping they can drag it out until JB dies in prison to save their own backsides.

Nevertheless I am sure HG will somehow find a way to blame MTQC for all of this.  Hell hath no fury like a woman blocketh on outlook.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 20, 2018, 01:49:PM
Re Dalagher, Vanezis went some considerable way towards corroborating the other expert.  If he said it was 'highly likely' then he was wrong - because the wrong lad did 7 years for it!  Ergo, despite the judge's caveat, Vanezis effectively provided 'expert' testimony that assisted police in banging-up the wrong person.  Hardly unblemished is he? 

I'm not an epidermal expert but I do have eyeballs and the associated vision. Some people really should do themselves a favour and stop making out that 'bloodstaining' in and of itself contains properties that causes cuts, grazes and indentations upon human skin.  This case is big enough for any number of 'researchers' to discover anomalies that increasingly point towards Sheila and away from Jeremy.  It shouldn't be some kind of ego competition between competing fields - 'ooh my discovery is better than your discovery' etc.

And using the term 'conspiracy' is just some cheap generic dig - water off a duck's back tbh.  Are we supposed to believe that Jeremy's conviction happened purely by accident, as a result of police and professionals carrying out their duties either without due diligence or making errors along the way?  Or is it more likely that in a deliberate attempt to achieve a desired outcome - the police handled different witnesses (professional and otherwise) using a variety of techniques?  Some they cajoled or coached; some they tricked (like Colin's statement); some they appealed to; some they induced; some they pressurised; some they told fibs to; and to some they didn't have to do much at all... we know which ones they were don't we? 

As for Vanezis 'overlooking' minor wounds - I deny ever having claimed this.  Instead, I believe that regarding the fight wounds, at some point he was persuaded to cooperate with Ainsley and DS Jones (who we know began to court him).  The apparent opposing factor to this, is the handwritten notes which are supposedly the PM.  I do not know how complete these notes have survived.  However in this case for me personally, to paraphrase the CCRC - 'crime scene images represent stronger evidence than notes'.   
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Steve_uk on April 20, 2018, 07:45:PM
Re Dalagher, Vanezis went some considerable way towards corroborating the other expert.  If he said it was 'highly likely' then he was wrong - because the wrong lad did 7 years for it!  Ergo, despite the judge's caveat, Vanezis effectively provided 'expert' testimony that assisted police in banging-up the wrong person.  Hardly unblemished is he? 

I'm not an epidermal expert but I do have eyeballs and the associated vision. Some people really should do themselves a favour and stop making out that 'bloodstaining' in and of itself contains properties that causes cuts, grazes and indentations upon human skin.  This case is big enough for any number of 'researchers' to discover anomalies that increasingly point towards Sheila and away from Jeremy.  It shouldn't be some kind of ego competition between competing fields - 'ooh my discovery is better than your discovery' etc.

And using the term 'conspiracy' is just some cheap generic dig - water off a duck's back tbh.  Are we supposed to believe that Jeremy's conviction happened purely by accident, as a result of police and professionals carrying out their duties either without due diligence or making errors along the way?  Or is it more likely that in a deliberate attempt to achieve a desired outcome - the police handled different witnesses (professional and otherwise) using a variety of techniques?  Some they cajoled or coached; some they tricked (like Colin's statement); [/i]some they appealed to; some they induced; some they pressurised; some they told fibs to; and to some they didn't have to do much at all... we know which ones they were don't we? 

As for Vanezis 'overlooking' minor wounds - I deny ever having claimed this.  Instead, I believe that regarding the fight wounds, at some point he was persuaded to cooperate with Ainsley and DS Jones (who we know began to court him).  The apparent opposing factor to this, is the handwritten notes which are supposedly the PM.  I do not know how complete these notes have survived.  However in this case for me personally, to paraphrase the CCRC - 'crime scene images represent stronger evidence than notes'.
To what are you alluding?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 21, 2018, 09:25:AM
To what are you alluding?

Just some silly feud.  Think I'll call it a day.  :))

I am a bit worried about David though.  He's being groomed.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on April 29, 2018, 10:16:PM
Looks like Steph is skating on thin ice on red.  Are we about to see the end of about 5,000 words per day of poisonous anti-Jeremy bile?  Accusing others of 'projecting' while constantly trying to project the Simon Hall case on to the Bamber case? She seems determined to make Bamber pay for the misdeeds of Simon Hall, who is now obviously beyond reach.   The poor bloke only took a phone call from his dad in the middle of the night.  He's ended up incarcerated for 33 years and is now taking all the shit Simon Hall should have got to boot. 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on April 29, 2018, 11:00:PM
Looks like Steph is skating on thin ice on red.  Are we about to see the end of about 5,000 words per day of poisonous anti-Jeremy bile?  Accusing others of 'projecting' while constantly trying to project the Simon Hall case on to the Bamber case? She seems determined to make Bamber pay for the misdeeds of Simon Hall, who is now obviously beyond reach.   The poor bloke only took a phone call from his dad in the middle of the night.  He's ended up incarcerated for 33 years and is now taking all the shit Simon Hall should have got to boot.

You mean she is still doing her live psychobabble commentary of this forum?  ;D

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on May 06, 2018, 09:26:AM
I see Steph has finally discovered 'Daisy'.  Someone needs to prompt Steph regarding which 'Jackie' she/Daisy is referring to... in order to avoid confusing one 'Jackie' with another 'Jackie'.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 06, 2018, 10:34:AM
Is " Daisy " a Jackie ? All very confusing-------
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 06, 2018, 11:36:AM
Pity their debate didn't look beyond their assumption of JB being this " monster killer " when there are other deep-rooted aspects to the case.

Ah well I suppose taking the easiest option comes as second nature to many especially when the verdict is handed to them on a plate easy peasy !! No brainwork involved.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 06, 2018, 11:38:AM
Empty vessels make the most noise !
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on May 06, 2018, 11:41:AM
Pity their debate didn't look beyond their assumption of JB being this " monster killer " when there are other deep-rooted aspects to the case.

Ah well I suppose taking the easiest option comes as second nature to many especially when the verdict is handed to them on a plate easy peasy !! No brainwork involved.

Yes, that does seem to be the case on there with some posters, though not all. 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 06, 2018, 11:56:AM
Like the counsel members being changed last minute before the 2002 appeal-------with no reason why. This would have had a marked effect on the outcome which JB had no control over.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on May 08, 2018, 05:47:PM
What is their obsession with 'every poster is actually just Mike Tesko pretending to be another poster'?  Surely even they can see the great irony in this?  The owner of their forum is notorious for having sock puppets!  They won't question that though... as it's too inconvenient for them to do so.  :))
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: JackieD on May 08, 2018, 07:07:PM
What is their obsession with 'every poster is actually just Mike Tesko pretending to be another poster'?  Surely even they can see the great irony in this?  The owner of their forum is notorious for having sock puppets!  They won't question that though... as it's too inconvenient for them to do so.  :))

Absolutely, most of us know that

The disruption Mrs Hall causes is hilarious. That forum won’t last much longer if she is the most influential poster
By the way it seems I was aware of a six part series before anyone
Let’s see how Miss Mugford fares with more air time dedicated to her part in the ‘murders’
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 09, 2018, 08:29:AM
What is their obsession with 'every poster is actually just Mike Tesko pretending to be another poster'?  Surely even they can see the great irony in this?  The owner of their forum is notorious for having sock puppets!  They won't question that though... as it's too inconvenient for them to do so.  :))





They're just a sad bunch Roch with nothing else better to do than to slag off others. They talk about remarks made toward those we've never met  ::) yet it's exactly what they're doing to us on this forum ? Their " gang culture " is enough for me along with their forum owner who allows it to continue !!Enough said ! It was his type who landed JB where he is.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 09, 2018, 08:44:AM
P.S. As for the so-called " nude pic " scenario,if you were to contact the RIGHT person,you'd know the truth about that media lie ! What is written about it couldn't be further from the truth and that's from someone who KNEW the TRUTH ! You poor pathetic people,you know nothing---------though I know that you all believe what the papers say.Sad not to have a mind of your own !

I'd rather hear the truth !
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 09, 2018, 09:00:AM
To Justice--------I still have the very kind pm's that you sent to me when I was going through a " rough time ". Were these sentiments genuine or is there another side to you ? I'm surprised at you.
It was after yours and Sami's pm's that you both left.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 09, 2018, 10:06:AM
One can also " gloat " about having had an idyllic childhood and NOT necessarily because they hadn't !!
"Gloating" ISN'T my forte,but it would appear best left to others ! ?. Neither have I an axe to grind !!!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 09, 2018, 10:13:AM
How is it that I " hide behind an ID ?" when your friend writes silly puns using my name ?
The ones who are hiding are you lot !! only 2 maybe 3 use your given names. ::)

I've NOTHING to hide,have you ??
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on May 09, 2018, 10:15:AM
They talk about remarks made toward those we've never met..

I find their attitude towards the deceased relatives pretty disgusting tbh.  They are so busy trying to fawn over the other relatives.  Weird. 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on May 09, 2018, 10:15:AM
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on May 09, 2018, 09:03:PM
Thinking of registering on red forum as either 'ActualRoch' or 'RealRoch'.  Seems like those prefixes are a tried and tested method to post shit-stirring tripe.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on May 09, 2018, 09:28:PM
To Justice.

Cheap digs aside, I'd have Justice back over here. I liked his stubbornness and 'call a spade a spade' attitude.   I remember him as Ralph also.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on May 09, 2018, 09:30:PM
Thinking of registering on red forum as either 'ActualRoch' or 'RealRoch'.  Seems like those prefixes are a tried and tested method to post shit-stirring tripe.

Don’t waste your time.

It has become a cesspit for the undesirables who are banned from this forum. It serves a good purpose. I think of it as a virus quarantine like on a computer.  ;D
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Roch on May 09, 2018, 09:35:PM
Don’t waste your time.

It has become a cesspit for the undesirables who are banned from this forum. It serves a good purpose. I think of it as a virus quarantine like on a computer.  ;D

Steph Hall runs the show over there. Fair play to her for taking control of the rabble. She's pushed Hollie out of the equation and obviously has John over a barrell (oo-er missus).  :))
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 10, 2018, 09:05:AM
Ah,but are Steph's sentiments towards JB a mirror image of SH ? I think they are and sadly add nothing to JB's circumstances in this separate case. Two totally different characters in every way and you can't compare the two ! Two different sets of circumstances in the supposed murders.

Why is this debate such an issue to the reds towards those of us who vote innocent ?
Why is it such a problem ?
 
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Nigel on May 21, 2018, 02:34:PM
To all the Haters on 'the red' I'm sick of your name calling.
False accusations and 'Nasty Nigel' this and that.

So I have done a video for you...

https://youtu.be/sfcsOH1Se7w
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 27, 2018, 09:31:AM
Where ignorance is bliss  ::)-------------I don't happen to have seen ALL posts as I've had better things to do. Obviously you shower on red seem to have problems ? Get a life !!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on May 27, 2018, 09:36:AM
Those who've had a decent upbringing don't post such vile untrue comments about others !! The chip- on-shoulder brigade whose world owes them a living aww diddums.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on June 05, 2018, 07:15:PM
Oh God they're all kicking off again on red with their Holier than Thou attitudes  ::) Two-faced lot !!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on June 06, 2018, 09:26:AM
Holly xxxxxx-------think what you like. I WASN'T the one who first spoke of Dr Craig being " under the influence ".It was the person whose GP it was !! So STOP spreading and causing  your maliciousness !!
Once and for all.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on June 06, 2018, 09:30:AM
Jeeze what a house of horrors !
Racist ? Read Angelo's posts,even his own pulled him up about them. Unless it is that you can do it but woe betide anyone else who even gives a whiff of it.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Steve_uk on June 09, 2018, 12:18:PM
Jeeze what a house of horrors !
Racist ? Read Angelo's posts,even his own pulled him up about them. Unless it is that you can do it but woe betide anyone else who even gives a whiff of it.
Best not to read them lookout or respond.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on June 26, 2018, 08:21:AM
Me, a racist ? Says the one who describes me as being like Hitler when she knows my background is Jewish ! I'm reporting your insult to the Special Branch who my daughter works with !! They SEE your posts

Pity you didn't mind your own business and " find " someone who knows me for REAL and not in your cyber world ! I have NO enemies which is more than can be said for yourself ! Yes,you'd be surprised !!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on June 26, 2018, 08:32:AM
I truly am sick of this ongoing hate-campaign when I've done nothing to anyone except to support someone who is clearly innocent.  Nor have I needed to develop a gang culture in doing so !! NASTY !!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on July 06, 2018, 04:29:AM
Lmao. Two month ago I said this to Holly on AI.

Quote
"The only person wasting everyonel's time is you. In a few month time you will be asking Myster and Caroline the exact same questions you have asked them recently.  :lol:

(http://rs717.pbsrc.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/1sm462smiliewheel.gif?w=110&h=110&fit=crop)

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=2931&start=10200#p194633 (http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=2931&start=10200#p194633)


Well lo and behold two month down the line and she is asking Caroline the same questions on the EXACT same topic I was reffering to. And getting the same answers as-if the answers given to her prior never came.  ???

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=664.msg472541#msg472541 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=664.msg472541#msg472541)

(http://rs717.pbsrc.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/1sm462smiliewheel.gif?w=110&h=110&fit=crop)



Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: nugnug on July 09, 2018, 02:44:PM
what are they actully doing lookout i long sice stop bothering to read that forum.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on August 11, 2018, 01:47:PM
what are they actully doing lookout i long sice stop bothering to read that forum.

Unfortunatley that place has just been brought to my attention.

ActualMat writes -

"He dislikes Holly. I think it's clear the intention was that he hoped people would think it was her who had apparently PM'd him, two birds with one stone."

You couldn't be further from the truth. The person in question has active accounts on both Blue and Red. Spends a lot of time here but seldom posts anything in the public threads. I am not the only one who gets PMs from this user. So it may be possible for some here to work out who this user is.

I did not wish to bring this up. But felt I had to in order to defend myself from someone's delusional ideas and accusations about me.

I am disappointed by the assumption you made. If you think I am that way inclined, then you have bought into way too much malicious gossip.  :-\
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on August 11, 2018, 03:23:PM
Unfortunatley that place has just been brought to my attention.

ActualMat writes -

"He dislikes Holly. I think it's clear the intention was that he hoped people would think it was her who had apparently PM'd him, two birds with one stone."

You couldn't be further from the truth. The person in question has active accounts on both Blue and Red. Spends a lot of time here but seldom posts anything in the public threads. I am not the only one who gets PMs from this user. So it may be possible for some here to work out who this user is.

I did not wish to bring this up. But felt I had to in order to defend myself from someone's delusional ideas and accusations about me.

I am disappointed by the assumption you made. If you think I am that way inclined, then you have bought into way too much malicious gossip.  :-\

'Far be it from you to gossip eh'? Careful David, careful!

The only one here delusional is you - still you're causing trouble - you just WILL NOT learn!

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Adam on August 11, 2018, 03:27:PM
A poster is feeding David information but he can't say who.

Reminds me of his 'forensic evidence breakthrough' he couldn't reveal.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on August 11, 2018, 03:59:PM
'Far be it from you to gossip eh'? Careful David, careful!

The only one here delusional is you - still you're causing trouble - you just WILL NOT learn!

Anything else you want to broadcast from the projector room?
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on August 11, 2018, 04:22:PM
Anything else you want to broadcast from the projector room?

Well, for starters you can stop emailing me - seriously David, go away!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on August 11, 2018, 04:36:PM
A poster is feeding David information but he can't say who.

Reminds me of his 'forensic evidence breakthrough' he couldn't reveal.

I can say who. But its not the right thing to do is it?

Anyone is welcome to PM and ask me. If they can give good reason to justify me giving them the answer. I will give them the answer.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on August 11, 2018, 05:04:PM
I can say who. But its not the right thing to do is it?

Anyone is welcome to PM and ask me. If they can give good reason to justify me giving them the answer. I will give them the answer.

Yes, I'd like the answer because I'm sick of snakes in the grass - lets FLUSH them out! You can email me but I can't promise I won't out them because I will!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on August 11, 2018, 06:08:PM
Yes, I'd like the answer because I'm sick of snakes in the grass - lets FLUSH them out! You can email me but I can't promise I won't out them because I will!


That defeats the whole point of only telling someone with good reason to know.  :-\
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on August 11, 2018, 06:13:PM

That defeats the whole point of only telling someone with good reason to know.  :-\

I do have good reason to know, given that you insist it is this person who is the cause of all the trouble!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: mat on August 12, 2018, 02:21:PM
Unfortunatley that place has just been brought to my attention.

ActualMat writes -

"He dislikes Holly. I think it's clear the intention was that he hoped people would think it was her who had apparently PM'd him, two birds with one stone."

You couldn't be further from the truth. The person in question has active accounts on both Blue and Red. Spends a lot of time here but seldom posts anything in the public threads. I am not the only one who gets PMs from this user. So it may be possible for some here to work out who this user is.

I did not wish to bring this up. But felt I had to in order to defend myself from someone's delusional ideas and accusations about me.

I am disappointed by the assumption you made. If you think I am that way inclined, then you have bought into way too much malicious gossip.  :-\

Sorry, if I was wrong in thinking that it was Holly who you were hinting at. That's the issue when you hint someone from the red forum is sending you things, people start to guess who it could be.

I don't doubt someone was shit stirring and sending you links to old posts, nothing suprises me anymore.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Adam on August 12, 2018, 03:41:PM
David & Holly met quite recently. They didn't get on. Holly being a moderator on the Red Forum would have helped David decide to cancel his account.

However he rarely posted beforehand.  It would have been very frustrating for him, knowing he is only allowed to debate with guilters on there.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: David1819 on August 12, 2018, 04:11:PM
I do have good reason to know, given that you insist it is this person who is the cause of all the trouble!


Well if its going to result in more public commotion, I am not saying anything.

Whenever I substantiate/validate what I say here it only opens a can of worms. Ive realised Its not allways worth it just to refute what people think/say about me.

Were did I say this person is the "cause of all the trouble!"  ???    If you want to know the cause of all trouble well thats easy. Its the dismal and half-baked culture of this fourm that been allowed to  flourish due to years of counterproductive moderation.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on August 12, 2018, 04:45:PM

Well if its going to result in more public commotion, I am not saying anything.

Whenever I substantiate/validate what I say here it only opens a can of worms. Ive realised Its not allways worth it just to refute what people think/say about me.

Were did I say this person is the "cause of all the trouble!"  ???    If you want to know the cause of all trouble well thats easy. Its the dismal and half-baked culture of this fourm that been allowed to  flourish due to years of counterproductive moderation.

If someone is messaging you about MY old posts, then they are shit stirrers and they used you because they didn't have the balls to post them themselves. Such people should be outed! Of course you could just be making it up - why would you protect them when you have already hinted who they might be? There aren't many people who are members of both forums who are on regularly.

Not sure what you mean by you last point but the problem to me, is people not being able to accept that others have their own opinion and take it personally when it's the opposite of theirs!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Adam on August 12, 2018, 07:14:PM
David has been quoting 5 year old posts from Caroline & JaneJ since he changed stance himself. He will have no hesitation in doing it again.

So not sure how anyone is going to accept a mysterious poster is now feeding him information.


Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: maggie on August 12, 2018, 07:17:PM

Well if its going to result in more public commotion, I am not saying anything.

Whenever I substantiate/validate what I say here it only opens a can of worms. Ive realised Its not allways worth it just to refute what people think/say about me.

Were did I say this person is the "cause of all the trouble!"  ???    If you want to know the cause of all trouble well thats easy. Its the dismal and half-baked culture of this fourm that been allowed to  flourish due to years of counterproductive moderation.
Thanks David
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on August 12, 2018, 11:43:PM
David has been quoting 5 year old posts from Caroline & JaneJ since he changed stance himself. He will have no hesitation in doing it again.

So not sure how anyone is going to accept a mysterious poster is now feeding him information.

I don't believe there is one.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Adam on August 13, 2018, 08:07:AM
I don't believe there is one.

Why an earth would David say another poster is passing on you're old posts on to him, if that was not happening ? 

It's not as if he hasn't been able to find you're old posts himself, since changing stance.

As David said, anyone who wants to know who it is, will need to PM him. He will then decide whether to release the information.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: nugnug on August 13, 2018, 10:48:AM
well im totally confused now.

whats the big deal someone passing david carlins old posts i mean there in the public domain he could of found them himslf if he had wanted to.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Caroline on August 13, 2018, 11:57:AM
well im totally confused now.

whats the big deal someone passing david carlins old posts i mean there in the public domain he could of found them himslf if he had wanted to.

And did.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Adam on August 13, 2018, 01:14:PM
well im totally confused now.

whats the big deal someone passing david carlins old posts i mean there in the public domain he could of found them himslf if he had wanted to.

It's surprising Nugs.

A poster suddenly decides to look for another posters old posts.

Rather than quoting them him/herself, the poster passes the old posts onto David, via PM. Although David can find and regulary quotes 5 year old posts of other posters.

David stated on the forum he is being passed this information. But won't say by who.  Similar to saying he has a 'Forensic Evidence Breakthrough' & then not saying what is is.

Guess everyone will have to PM David. As he said, he will then decide whether you are worthy of disclosure.

Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on August 17, 2018, 12:12:PM
Sorry to disappoint, pugwash, but this " old boiler " is off to Australia and not a garden centre or charity shop in sight, so carry on guessing about my life and give those snotty smelly consumptive dogs a bath instead and wash your mouth out while you're at it-------in the same water !
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: Steve_uk on August 17, 2018, 06:06:PM
Sorry to disappoint, pugwash, but this " old boiler " is off to Australia and not a garden centre or charity shop in sight, so carry on guessing about my life and give those snotty smelly consumptive dogs a bath instead and wash your mouth out while you're at it-------in the same water !
I hope you enjoy your trip lookout and can find some rest and relaxation.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: IndigoJ on August 17, 2018, 06:56:PM
Sorry to disappoint, pugwash, but this " old boiler " is off to Australia and not a garden centre or charity shop in sight, so carry on guessing about my life and give those snotty smelly consumptive dogs a bath instead and wash your mouth out while you're at it-------in the same water !

Enjoy your trip!
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on August 17, 2018, 07:08:PM
Thankyou to both of you.
Title: Re: Personal Abuse of members here on the Red Forum
Post by: lookout on August 19, 2018, 10:34:AM
What's a " commode " pugwash ? No such language in my world and not a " tena-lady " in sight--boo-hoo.!
Showering is a regular feature in my life having a separate wet-room only using Chanel products of course. You should try using the moisture mist on the dogs I'm sure it'll improve their "aroma ".

Please don't worry about the safety of my home-----it's well guarded with sensors both front and back and nobody really knows my comings and goings. There's no crime in the area where I live and it's a very quiet place so where you get the impression that " where I live " is some Hell-hole I don't know.

Finally I should hope you don't spend the time that I do online having all your animals to look after ! When you've finished your 40 odd years of employment then you can sit back like I do and enjoy life, can't you ? I suggest your first port of call would be for anger management sessions, you need them !!