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Title: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 20, 2011, 01:53:PM
On 30 June 2003, fourteen-year-old Jodi Jones was brutally murdered near her home at Easthouses near Edinburgh, Scotland. Her naked body was found some 6 hours later hidden behind a high wall in a wooded area bordering Roan's Dyke footpath, a well known local short-cut running between Easthouses and Newbattle. Jodi had been subjected to what prosecutors would later describe in court as a "savage knife attack."

Early in the investigation the police suggested that the killer would be a man local to the area because of the location of where the murder took place. It was established that Jodi had set out earlier that afternoon to meet her then boyfriend, Luke Mitchell (14). Her mutilated body was later found by Mitchell, who had joined a search party that included Jodi's 67 year-old grandmother, Alice Walker, her 17 year-old sister Janine, and Janine's boyfriend, Stephen Kelly (19). The fact that Mitchell and his dog discovered the body so quickly despite a search at night, in poor weather, would later play a major part in the criminal investigation.

(http://i.imgur.com/F7SEr.gif)

Luke Mitchell on the day of Jodi's funeral.

Mitchell was initially questioned as a witness but was eventually arrested and charged with the crime some 10 months later following months of media speculation, including the repeated claim that the then 15-year-old was the "only" or "prime" suspect. At Mitchell's trial at the High Court of Justiciary in Edinburgh he pleaded not guilty and lodged a special defence of alibi, claiming that he was at home cooking dinner at the time of the murder. During the 42-day trial which followed, the jury heard evidence from both Mitchell's mother and his brother Shane, as well as visiting the crime scene. The evidence of Shane Mitchell was crucial to the conviction; he stated that at the time of the murder, he had been at the family home, viewing internet porn. He agreed that this was not an activity he would have engaged in if he thought anyone else was in the house and so he failed to corroborate Mitchell's alibi. The trial was the longest of a single accused, and the costliest at £452,687, in Scottish legal history.

On 21 January 2005, the jury found Mitchell guilty after 5 hours of deliberation. Mitchell, aged sixteen at the time of his conviction, was condemned as being "truly wicked" by Judge Lord Nimmo Smith. He was also found guilty of a separate charge of supplying cannabis.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 22, 2011, 04:22:PM
In March 2006, Mitchell was granted leave to appeal against his conviction and sentence at the High Court of Justiciary sitting as the Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh, on the grounds of the trial judge's refusal to hear the original case outside of the city.

In November 2006, Luke Mitchell won the right to appeal against his conviction for murder. Mitchell's legal team had wanted a number of grounds for appeal to be heard but the judges said only one would be allowed. Scotland's senior judge, the Lord Justice General, Lord Hamilton said they would allow a ground of appeal claiming that the trial judge erred in refusing to move Mitchell's case out of Edinburgh following publicity ahead of the proceedings. Lord Hamilton, who was sitting with Lord Kingarth and Lord MacLean, said: "We have come, with some hesitation, to the view that this ground is arguable." "There is an argument that the trial judge failed adequately to take into account the circumstances that the publicity might have had an impact of particular strength not only in the immediate locality of the crime but in a somewhat wider area embracing the city of Edinburgh and other towns in the Lothians," he said. There was a huge media fanfare surrounding the trial and this may have affected the final outcome. The fact that the jury were not put into a hotel for the night of the decision has also been cited as a factor.

The Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh heard Mitchell's appeal in February 2008, but on 16 May 2008 the judges' verdict was given. Sitting over the appeal were Lord Osborne, Lord Kingarth and Lord Hamilton, who delivered the decision. They ruled that there was sufficient evidence in law that Luke Mitchell could be convicted on and rejected his other grounds of appeal, yet stated that police questioning of Mitchell on 14 August 2003 had been "outrageous" and was "to be deplored."

On 2 February 2011, Mitchell's appeal against his sentence was refused by a two to one majority. Lord Justice Clerk, Lord Gill, sitting with Lord Hardie and Lady Cosgrove stated that he had the utmost sympathy for the family of the victim and that he understood entirely why this murder should have caused such public revulsion. Nevertheless, he was of the opinion that the sentencing judge should not have imposed a punishment part of such severity on such a young offender. He stated that justice would be done in this case if the punishment part of the sentence were fixed at 15 years. He did not consider that they were precluded from that disposal by anything said in the guidance given in HM Adv v Boyle and Ors (supra). He regretted, therefore, that he had to differ from his two colleagues.

(http://i.imgur.com/Rawtu.jpg)

Luke Mitchell leaves court following his failed sentence appeal in January 2011.

Appeal against Conviction decision (http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2008HCJAC28.html)

Appeal against sentence decision (http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2011HCJAC10.html)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 23, 2011, 01:47:PM
Mitchell was convicted purely on circumstantial evidence since the investigators had failed to provide any forensic evidence which connected him to the scene of the murder. Several DNA profiles were lifted from the site of the murder but remain unidentified to this day.

Mitchell never gave evidence in court in his defence. His mother states that this was on the advice of his Counsel, Donald Findlay QC and was a mistake as he should have been allowed to speak to his defence.

There are several factors which undermine Mitchell's contention that he was home with his mother and brother at the time Jodi Jones was alleged to have been murdered at 5.15pm on Monday 30 June 2003. Mitchell's mother and those who advocate for him have never been able to explain these anomalies.....

1. Mitchell's alibi on the day of the murder was that he was at home with his brother Shane after 4pm and that they were both there when his mother arrived home at 5.15pm. He stated that all three had dinner in the house. In his evidence however before the court, Shane failed to corroborate this and stated that he had not seen his brother in the house. He went on to say that he could have been there but he just didn't see him.  Luke Mitchell claims to have prepared the meal and its is his mothers claims that he burned the chicken pie. This is all very strange since such activity would generate noise and fumes and none were detected by Shane who was apparently sitting in his bedroom upstairs surfing porn sites on his computer. Shane admitted in court that he would not have done so had he known anyone else was in the house.

2. Mitchell's return from school on the day of the murder is unwitnessed.  The first confirmed sighting of him by three school boys was at 5.55pm when he was observed sitting on a low wall at the end of his street.  This is unusual in that there was normally lots of school kids wandering about the Crescent after school. To have walked home from school unseen is highly improbable unless off course he didn't want to be seen on that particular day.

3. When Luke Mitchell was alerted that his girlfriend was missing he arranged to meet a search party at the end of the path which Jodi would have taken. At 10.51pm Luke set of in the darkness with the family Alsatian bitch leading him. Their route would have taken them past the spot where Jodi's body lay yet it is Mitchell's claim that the dog did not react to her scent, a scent the dog knew extremely well.  It was only on the return journey with the search party in tow that Mitchell claims the dog reacted to the scent which resulted in them discovering the body. It was the Prosecution's contention that Mitchell had special knowledge as to where the body lay and so was able to take the search party directly to it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on March 28, 2011, 03:34:PM
What's your stance on this case John? It sounds familiar, think i can remember it being in the news a lot.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 28, 2011, 04:44:PM
What's your stance on this case John? It sounds familiar, think i can remember it being in the news a lot.

You may find this site interesting RDP. Has quite a lot of information.

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/ (http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/)

Edit; forgot link.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 28, 2011, 06:40:PM
What's your stance on this case John? It sounds familiar, think i can remember it being in the news a lot.

Hi RDP,

My stance?...well that is an interesting question since it has changed somewhat the further I investigated this case. 

At the outset I could not believe that what was being alleged could ever possibly have occurred but like most things the passage of time and the uncovering of certain inconsistencies has led me to believe that there is doubt.  My stance therefore can be defined as going from believing Mitchell was innocent to now sitting on the fence with several unanswered questions.

It is not as if the questions haven't been asked of those who are closest to Mitchell, it is a matter that they choose to either ignore them or cannot answer them.

In relation to the website which the previous poster has chosen to highlight, I must warn that this is a pro Mitchell site and will not allow anti Mitchell arguments to be raised. It should not therefore be taken seriously in any way since it is not a true forum but a front for a most heinous slander campaign being conducted against the victims family.

I would also add that the poster Suzie is none other than the Wrongly Accused Person site owner who is reputed for his scamming and spamming, the above post being such an example.






Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 28, 2011, 07:09:PM
What's your stance on this case John? It sounds familiar, think i can remember it being in the news a lot.

Hi RDP,

My stance?...well that is an interesting question since it has changed somewhat the further I investigated this case. 

At the outset I could not believe that what was being alleged could ever possibly have occurred but like most things the passage of time and the uncovering of certain inconsistencies has led me to believe that there is doubt.  My stance therefore can be defined as going from believing Mitchell was innocent to now sitting on the fence with several unanswered questions.

It is not as if the questions haven't been asked of those who are closest to Mitchell, it is a matter that they choose to either ignore them or cannot answer them.

In relation to the website which the previous poster has chosen to highlight, I must warn that this is a pro Mitchell site and will not allow anti Mitchell arguments to be raised. It should not therefore be taken seriously in any way since it is not a true forum but a front for a most heinous slander campaign being conducted against the victims family.

I would also add that the poster Suzie is none other than the Wrongly Accused Person site owner who is reputed for his scamming and spamming, the above post being such an example.

I posted the above link as some readers may find it interesting, I don't think this counts as "scamming and spamming". I am not the owner of that site, I only have an interest in how the justice system in this country can go badly wrong and innocent people and their family's can be victims of this.

You are correct John, this is a pro Mitchell site but I have seen posters disagree and as long as posts are not disrespectful or abusive this is not objected to.

I have yet to find any posts that I would consider a " heinous slander campaign " towards the family, there was an instance some time ago that a poster sent an abusive message to the victims Mother but that was dealt with and the poster was banned.



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 28, 2011, 07:36:PM
Accusing just about everyone within the Jones extended family of being either a murderer or complicit in murder in order to somehow exonerate Luke Mitchell is the most heinous misuse ever of a public forum.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 28, 2011, 07:56:PM
Maybe you can explain why Mrs hall was also banned and blocked from accessing the forum?

There is a big difference between fact and fantasy with the WAP forum falling into the latter category.  Luke Mitchell had every opportunity to commit murder on his 14 year-old girlfriend. He had the motive, the means and the opportunity.

The sad excuse for an alibi that he was at home preparing dinner at 5.15pm on Monday 30 June 2003 while Jodi Jones had her throat cut and was thereafter mutilated just doesn't cut it as far as the evidence by his own brother has it. He was charged with perverting the course of justice as was his mother. They were also warned in court as to the consequences of perjury. Says it all really doesn't it?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 28, 2011, 08:13:PM
Accusing just about everyone within the Jones extended family of being either a murderer or complicit in murder in order to somehow exonerate Luke Mitchell is the most heinous misuse ever of a public forum.

If that were the case then yes it would be, I have posted the link as I said to bring to the attention a site I found interesting. On a relevant thread for other forum members.  I will let those said members judge for themselves.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 28, 2011, 08:20:PM
Maybe you can explain why Mrs hall was also banned and blocked from accessing the forum?

There is a big difference between fact and fantasy with the WAP forum falling into the latter category.  Luke Mitchell had every opportunity to commit murder on his 14 year-old girlfriend. He had the motive, the means and the opportunity.

The sad excuse for an alibi that he was at home preparing dinner at 5.15pm on Monday 30 June 2003 while Jodi Jones had her throat cut and was thereafter mutilated just doesn't cut it as far as the evidence by his own brother has it. He was charged with perverting the course of justice as was his mother. They were also warned in court as to the consequences of perjury. Says it all really doesn't it?

I can honestly say I have no idea what the answer to that question is, I have nothing to do with it.


 
My stance therefore can be defined as going from believing Mitchell was innocent to now sitting on the fence with several unanswered questions.

You call that sitting on the fence ::)
I have no desire to continue this conversation, I only wished, as I said to post the link.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 28, 2011, 08:37:PM
Yes, it's called sitting on the fence when one cannot decide if a person is guilt or not guilty.

You obviously don't understand the concept since you advocate for Mitchell and have taken the trouble to register here solely in order to promote his poorly presented website.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 28, 2011, 09:16:PM
No, I registered here as I had read a few articles/posts elsewhere about the JB case and I am still reading this extensive site.   I posted the link as I have done the same on that site. ( am I not saying it right? )


 Just so we both know where I am at, I am laughing as I type this, I cant help it, I'll leave it at I recommend it, worth a read, but then someone said that to me about the twilight books and look how that turned out ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 28, 2011, 09:23:PM
... there was an instance some time ago that a poster sent an abusive message to the victims Mother but that was dealt with and the poster was banned.

There are only two people who know the truth about this and neither of them is called Suzie.

Try Mrs Sandra Lean or Billy Middleton.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 28, 2011, 10:02:PM
... there was an instance some time ago that a poster sent an abusive message to the victims Mother but that was dealt with and the poster was banned.

There are only two people who know the truth about this and neither of them is called Suzie.

Try Mrs Sandra Lean or Billy Middleton.

I already posted a reply but it seems to have vanished into cyber space, if it comes back, well this will explain that I'm not 2 sheets to the wind ;D

If they read any of the numerous forums out there that the message was discussed on then yes they will definitely know about it.
The chances of them being the only two are non existant.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on March 28, 2011, 10:54:PM
Bleedin Nora.. I've inadvertantly started a war on this thread... and for once, i'm not involved...
                                                                                                                              ::)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 28, 2011, 11:32:PM
Bleedin Nora.. I've inadvertantly started a war on this thread... and for once, i'm not involved...
                                                                                                                              ::)

Yes I blame you to Rochford Dolly Peel  ;)

Love the name
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on March 28, 2011, 11:59:PM
Bleedin Nora.. I've inadvertantly started a war on this thread... and for once, i'm not involved...
                                                                                                                              ::)

Yes I blame you to Rochford Dolly Peel  ;)

Love the name

Just birth place in essex plus reference to current hometown (local smuggler / fishwife in 1800's, that's also the name of a local pub). It's not my local though, so dont know why i picked it  :P
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 29, 2011, 12:10:AM
It has character, I like it.
I just like the name Suzie. ;D

This site is huge, is there somewhere you can read the main points of the JB case ? Been reading through the threads and I am a little confused!

(apologies, off topic )

Edited for clarity
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 29, 2011, 02:36:AM
Police reconstruction of Jodi's last movements.

(http://i.imgur.com/voLLA.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/8YILZ.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/1iVCq.jpg)

Jodi left home at about 4.55pm on Monday 30 June 2003 telling her mum to keep her some of her favourite lasagne that she was cooking for tea. Also at home was Jodi's brother Joseph and her mum's partner Allen Ovens.

Jodi had been grounded of late when her mother found out that she had been smoking cannabis with her boyfriend Luke Mitchell. She did not expect to be getting out this particular evening so was pleasantly surprised when her mother told her that she could go out as long as she was back by curfew.  Jodi used her mum's mobile phone to phone Luke as her own phone wasn't working and they arranged to meet up after 5pm.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on March 29, 2011, 09:28:PM
What's your stance on this case John? It sounds familiar, think i can remember it being in the news a lot.

Hi RDP,

My stance?...well that is an interesting question since it has changed somewhat the further I investigated this case. 

At the outset I could not believe that what was being alleged could ever possibly have occurred but like most things the passage of time and the uncovering of certain inconsistencies has led me to believe that there is doubt.  My stance therefore can be defined as going from believing Mitchell was innocent to now sitting on the fence with several unanswered questions.

It is not as if the questions haven't been asked of those who are closest to Mitchell, it is a matter that they choose to either ignore them or cannot answer them.

In relation to the website which the previous poster has chosen to highlight, I must warn that this is a pro Mitchell site and will not allow anti Mitchell arguments to be raised. It should not therefore be taken seriously in any way since it is not a true forum but a front for a most heinous slander campaign being conducted against the victims family.

I would also add that the poster Suzie is none other than the Wrongly Accused Person site owner who is reputed for his scamming and spamming, the above post being such an example.

Thanks John... One thing that strikes me is how much he has aged in the pics you have put up.  No surprise there, given his experiences of course.  Did this lad have any history of violence or disorders? Unanswered questions... you've come to the right site for that! (main site). 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on March 29, 2011, 09:32:PM
It has character, I like it.
I just like the name Suzie. ;D

This site is huge, is there somewhere you can read the main points of the JB case ? Been reading through the threads and I am a little confused!

(apologies, off topic )

Edited for clarity

Suzie as in Quattro?  :D   You can look here http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/ .  But it is Bamber's official site.  There is a page on the prosection's case.  I'm unsure as to how watered down it is.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 29, 2011, 10:12:PM
He has indeed aged in what is now nearly 8 years since the murder.  Below is another picture taken a short time after the murder with Luke depicted in a Parka jacket.  This picture has been the subject of much controversy since it was stated that he owned such a jacket prior to the murder when the evidence by his family was that he did not. I will come back to this later when I have decided how to fit in the various elements of the case in a single thread.

It should also be noted that a witness gave testimony that a youth fitting Mitchell's description was seen near to the murder scene some 30 minutes after the murder.  He was wearing a similar black t-shirt with white writing on it. The type of jacket worn by this youth is now also the subject of some debate, I will come back to this issue soon.

(http://i.imgur.com/EVfey.png)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on March 29, 2011, 10:12:PM
It has character, I like it.
I just like the name Suzie. ;D

This site is huge, is there somewhere you can read the main points of the JB case ? Been reading through the threads and I am a little confused!

(apologies, off topic )

Edited for clarity

Suzie as in Quattro?  :D   You can look here http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/ .  But it is Bamber's official site.  There is a page on the prosection's case.  I'm unsure as to how watered down it is.

I always liked Suzie & the banshees more ;D
Thanks for that link, dont know how I missed that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on March 29, 2011, 10:44:PM
Police reconstruction of Jodi's last movements.

(http://i.imgur.com/voLLA.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/8YILZ.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/1iVCq.jpg)

Jodi left home at about 4.55pm on Monday 30 June 2003 telling her mum to keep her some of her favourite lasagne that she was cooking for tea. Also at home was Jodi's brother Joseph and her mum's partner Allen Ovens.

Jodi had been grounded of late when her mother found out that she had been smoking cannabis with her boyfriend Luke Mitchell. She did not expect to be getting out this particular evening so was pleasantly surprised when her mother told her that she could go out as long as she was back by curfew.  Jodi used her mum's mobile phone to phone Luke as her own phone wasn't working and they arranged to meet up after 5pm.

That's awful.  Her mum's gonna be desolate about not enforcing the curfew.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on March 29, 2011, 11:07:PM
It has character, I like it.
I just like the name Suzie. ;D

This site is huge, is there somewhere you can read the main points of the JB case ? Been reading through the threads and I am a little confused!

(apologies, off topic )

Edited for clarity

Suzie as in Quattro?  :D   You can look here http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/ .  But it is Bamber's official site.  There is a page on the prosection's case.  I'm unsure as to how watered down it is.

I always liked Suzie & the banshees more ;D
Thanks for that link, dont know how I missed that.

Not a bad site imo.  Forum seems to be the place to be tho at the moment. 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandy on March 30, 2011, 02:01:AM
He has indeed aged in what is now nearly 8 years since the murder.  Below is another picture taken a short time after the murder with Luke depicted in a Parka jacket.  This picture has been the subject of much controversy since it was stated that he owned such a jacket prior to the murder when the evidence by his family was that he did not. I will come back to this later when I have decided how to fit in the various elements of the case in a single thread.

It should also be noted that a witness gave testimony that a youth fitting Mitchell's description was seen near to the murder scene some 30 minutes after the murder.  He was wearing a similar black t-shirt with white writing on it. The type of jacket worn by this youth is now also the subject of some debate, I will come back to this issue soon.

(http://i.imgur.com/EVfey.png)

Am I right in saying that Luke Mitchell wore a bomber jacket to school that day and that was what he was seen wearing later that evening when seen by passing motorists??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandy on March 30, 2011, 02:07:AM
Police reconstruction of Jodi's last movements.

(http://i.imgur.com/voLLA.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/8YILZ.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/1iVCq.jpg)

Jodi left home at about 4.55pm on Monday 30 June 2003 telling her mum to keep her some of her favourite lasagne that she was cooking for tea. Also at home was Jodi's brother Joseph and her mum's partner Allen Ovens.

Jodi had been grounded of late when her mother found out that she had been smoking cannabis with her boyfriend Luke Mitchell. She did not expect to be getting out this particular evening so was pleasantly surprised when her mother told her that she could go out as long as she was back by curfew.  Jodi used her mum's mobile phone to phone Luke as her own phone wasn't working and they arranged to meet up after 5pm.

That's awful.  Her mum's gonna be desolate about not enforcing the curfew.

I believe that Jodi's mother and partner went to visit her late husbands grave later that afternoon after Jodi had left to meet Mitchell.  As far as I can see that left Joseph without any alibi. I also believe Joseph has some anger management issues, I wonder was this why Jodi was not allowed to be alone with him in the family home. Maybe you can clarify this for me.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 30, 2011, 03:50:PM
He has indeed aged in what is now nearly 8 years since the murder.  Below is another picture taken a short time after the murder with Luke depicted in a Parka jacket.  This picture has been the subject of much controversy since it was stated that he owned such a jacket prior to the murder when the evidence by his family was that he did not. I will come back to this later when I have decided how to fit in the various elements of the case in a single thread.

It should also be noted that a witness gave testimony that a youth fitting Mitchell's description was seen near to the murder scene some 30 minutes after the murder.  He was wearing a similar black t-shirt with white writing on it. The type of jacket worn by this youth is now also the subject of some debate, I will come back to this issue soon.


Am I right in saying that Luke Mitchell wore a bomber jacket to school that day and that was what he was seen wearing later that evening when seen by passing motorists??

That is quite true Sandy, he was in the habit of wearing a Bomber jacket similar to the one depicted below. 

Evidence was however given in court by one of Mitchell's former teachers to the effect that he had previously worn a Parka jacket to school. This is refuted by Mitchell's family who claim that the parka jacket in which he is depicted above was purchased after the murder when police investigators took most of his clothing for forensic analysis.

(http://www.military-kit.co.uk/images/green_bomber_jacket_ma1.jpg)

Several motorists came forward and gave evidence about seeing a youth fitting Mitchell's description loitering about on Newbattle Road after 5.50pm on the day of the murder. Mitchell for his part does not dispute this and states in statements that he was waiting for Jodi to arrive. He was certainly seen and positively identified by three school boys at 5.55pm and later at 6.25pm as they returned home on their bicycles.

The colour of the jacket was confirmed as being green with one witness confirming that it had orange lining. The evidence in relation to the length of the jacket however varied from waist length to knee length. A witness also spoke of the youth wearing a black t-shirt with white lettering on it.  Depicted below is a t-shirt identical to that worn by Mitchell on the day of the murder.

(http://i.imgur.com/IUNoC.jpg)

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on March 31, 2011, 04:05:PM
Still work out if you are for or against the accused.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 31, 2011, 05:18:PM
Still work out if you are for or against the accused.

If that is a question and it is directed at me, my answer would have to be neither.

My interest ends with justice being done in this case. This could relate to Jodi solely or indeed to both Jodi and Luke Mitchell if in fact he is shown to be innocent. I have my doubts about the latter since there are issues which remain unanswered.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on March 31, 2011, 05:32:PM
Another interesting point in this case is that there was never any reward offered for information which could see the perpetrator(s) properly convicted.  It has been suggested to Mitchell's family on several occasions that they offer such a reward but they are not interested. This in itself sends out the wrong message since if they truly believed in Luke's innocence they would stop at nothing to bring the real culprits to justice.   

They would rather try and sell their story to the local rag as Luke's grandmother, Ruby Guetta, attempted to do some time ago.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/2007/11/25/killer-s-granny-tries-to-sell-her-story-for-10k-78057-20158055/


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 01:38:AM
Another interesting point in this case is that there was never any reward offered for information which could see the perpetrator(s) properly convicted.  It has been suggested to Mitchell's family on several occasions that they offer such a reward but they are not interested. This in itself sends out the wrong message since if they truly believed in Luke's innocence they would stop at nothing to bring the real culprits to justice.   

They would rather try and sell their story to the local rag as Luke's grandmother, Ruby Guetta, attempted to do some time ago.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/2007/11/25/killer-s-granny-tries-to-sell-her-story-for-10k-78057-20158055/

It is the very same with the confidential hotline that you helped to set up John, they did nothing but ridicule it instead of supporting it.  They want to keep any information in the case within their own grasp and don't want to share anything of value.  They keep talking about progress but from what I have seen of their efforts they will be lucky to ever get a referral from the SCCRC.

At the end of the day there is no evidence which can clear Mitchell but plenty that can condemn him.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 05, 2011, 04:06:PM
Indeed Sandy, that has always concerned me in that people who promote themselves as advocates for the wrongly accused could act in such a way which could only do harm to any investigation.

Unless of course they didn't want me to get to the truth in the first place which is always a possibility?

There are too many unanswered questions in that case for me.  Why did those very same people go out of their way to have the Jodi Jones forum closed down if they themselves had nothing to hide?   Their actions speaks volumes.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 11, 2011, 01:30:PM
The latest piece of misinformation being posted by those who support Mitchell is that he went over to Easthouses to meet Jodie when all along they have denied that he ever left Newbattle.

Isn't it really funny how the truth begins to seep out in the end??   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 11, 2011, 01:35:PM
I also find their constant insinuations that Jodie's immediate family were in some way involved in this heinous crime a bit rich and especially so coming from the web-master who was responsible for the death of his own daughter.

http://simplybillymiddleton.myfreeforum.org/forum1.php

They need to take a long hard look at themselves and the damage they continue to do to this family who have suffered quite enough over the last 7 years.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2011, 01:47:PM
you made a lot of those acusations yourself john anyone who reads thread will know that.

not everybody on theres acusing the jones.

other familes are frequntly accused of being involved in the childrens deaths why they can be accused but this one cant.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 11, 2011, 01:58:PM
And just on cue up she pops.

Lets just say that I was misled into believing that the Jones family were involved in her murder. I most certainly don't believe this to be true any longer having looked at all the facts in the case.

The continued refusal by the Mitchell's to address their memory lapses is the clincher for me. Innocent people don't suddenly develop amnesia deary.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2011, 03:37:PM
everybody involved in the case seems to have had memory lapses of some sort.

john Ferris and Gordon Dickie.

a fair few of the victims relatives an in laws did.
 

not to mention the man with the condom.

i cant remember seems to be the most popular phrase in the case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 11, 2011, 03:44:PM
everybody involved in the case seems to have had memory lapses of some sort.

john ferris and gordon dickie.

a fair few of the victems relatives an inlaws did.
 

not to mention the man with the condom.


That isn't memory loss, rather being economical with the truth.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 14, 2011, 02:29:PM
Today marks the 7th anniversary in prison for Luke Mitchell for the brutal slaying of his then 14 year-old girlfriend.  The savage knife attack was one of the worst they had seen according to police.

The case is currently before the SCCRC in Glasgow and is due for determination quite soon.  There is every possibility that Mitchell could be freed on a technicality following the recent Cadder ruling by the UK Supreme Court.

(http://i.imgur.com/PI2f6.jpg)
Victim Jodi Jones
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: grahame on April 14, 2011, 03:23:PM
John. How many other cases are you involved with besides this one?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 14, 2011, 03:32:PM
The Simon Hall case, the Kate Prout disappearance and a couple of others.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: grahame on April 14, 2011, 03:51:PM
The Simon Hall case, the Kate Prout disappearance and a couple of others.
Ire these some private investigations you have going, or what?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 14, 2011, 04:05:PM
The Simon Hall case, the Kate Prout disappearance and a couple of others.
Ire these some private investigations you have going, or what?

Not as such, more like a bunch of forums similar to what Mike has created here. 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on April 14, 2011, 07:45:PM
John, why do you have to be so spiteful, ie. up she pops,and deary.
This is a forum where folks can express there views. We may not agree with each other, but we should respect there views.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 15, 2011, 12:12:AM
I am afraid it is a long story Cliff but believe me it is justified in the case of the individual concerned.  I think the word Troll defines it quite nicely.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2011, 12:56:AM
Today marks the 7th anniversary in prison for Luke Mitchell for the brutal slaying of his then 14 year-old girlfriend.  The savage knife attack was one of the worst they had seen according to police.

The case is currently before the SCCRC in Glasgow and is due for determination quite soon.  There is every possibility that Mitchell could be freed on a technicality following the recent Cadder ruling by the UK Supreme Court.

(http://i.imgur.com/PI2f6.jpg)
Victim Jodi Jones


theres also the anderson rulling of defective defence.
and of course the dna evedence linking others to the crime.

i think he will get off on more than just a technicality.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 15, 2011, 01:07:AM
It is nigh impossible to argue defective defence in Scottish courts so that one is a non starter.

At the end of the day, technicality or no technicality the panel of judges will look at the real possibility of Mitchell being innocent or not. If they believe him to be guilty he will not get of...simples.

From what I have seen the evidence against him is overwhelming so I cannot see how he will ever succeed in having his conviction overturned.

The inconsistencies in his families evidence says it all really.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2011, 01:22:AM
well the presence of other peoples sperm and blood on the body.

and other bits of DNA.

but none of his DNA.

 no credible eye witnesses identifying him

plus impossibly short time frame he had to commit the crime would tend to suggest innocence.

his got more going in his defence than most people have.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 15, 2011, 01:30:AM
well the presence of other peoples sperm and blood on the body.

and other bits of DNA.

but none of his DNA.

 no credible eye witnesses identifying him

plus impossibly short time frame he had to commit the crime would tend to suggest innocence.

his got more going in his defence than most people have.

The presence of other DNA profiles on the body doesn't mean that he is not the killer.  The strange thing though is that he was with her earlier that day and still there was none of his DNA on her or her clothing and vice-versa.  It's as if he changed his clothes and washed which again would fit with the prosecution case against him.

He disappeared after school yet there are normally dozens of kids milling around the roads and parks.

His brother testified that he didn't see him at home yet Luke Mitchell claims to have been there and made dinner.  So which one is lying or which one is covering up for the other?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2011, 01:40:AM
well people can be in the same house and not know of each other presnce.

how can the absence of dna make somebody guilty.

to have comited the crime he would of had to have cleaned all his dna from jodis body

and all her dna from himself nothing was found his house or his mums car.

how could he clean his dna off the body but leave other peoples on there.

it dosent mater if nobody saw going home from becouse jodi was still alive then.

she dident  leave her house untill 450 or 500pm.

nobody saw jodi return home from scholl ethere body nobodys disputing she got there.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 03:42:PM
Oh dear!!!  I won't say, "I told you so!"

Luke Mitchell loses 5th appeal against his conviction yesterday.


In his fifth appeal attempt, Mitchell tried to use the UK Supreme Court's "Cadder Ruling", which took away Scots cops' right to quiz suspects without a lawyer.

Mitchell said he should be allowed to appeal under Cadder because he was not allowed a lawyer during a six-hour "interrogation".

But Scotland's senior judge, Lord Hamilton, said the Cadder Ruling applied to "live" appeals, and Mitchell had lost his in 2008.

Mitchell, his hair in long, straggly braids, showed no emotion in the dock.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52196000/jpg/_52196357_mitchell.jpg)

His mum Corinne sat on one side of the public gallery, with Jodi's mother Judith and other relatives on the other.



BBC News report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-13095299)
Daily Record article (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/04/16/evil-killer-luke-mitchell-loses-fifth-appeal-against-jodi-jones-murder-conviction-86908-23065232/)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 03:51:PM
oh well its not over many people lose appeals and get off later.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 03:52:PM
He may even get parole someday, miracles do happen!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 04:01:PM
oh this is a minor setback.

he will be cleared eventaully its just a matter of time.

the birghmham 6 lost a fair few appeals and many other people i could mention.

all the qustions in this case arnt going to go away.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 04:18:PM
oh this is a minor setback.

he will be cleared eventaully its just a matter of time.

the birghmham 6 lost a fair few appeals and many other people i could mention.

all the qustions in this case arnt going to go away.


Don't you dare compare Mitchell with the Birmingham 6, they were innocent.

The evidence against Mitchell for me is overwhelming and until such times as new evidence can be provided I don't see that changing.

The reluctance by his family to explore all and every avenue is very telling. What are they hiding still??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 04:24:PM
thev have have explianed themselves time agian its not there fault if people have chosen to ignore what they have said.

im not sure what overwhelming evedence your talking about.

and i think the comprasion with the brigmingham 6 is perfectly reasonable.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 04:32:PM
thev have have explianed themselves time agian its not there fault if people have chosen to ignore what they have said.

im not sure what overwhelming evedence your talking about.

and i think the comprasion with the brigmingham 6 is perfectly reasonable.

The Mitchell family have failed to explain the inconsistencies in their own evidence.

Shane Mitchell stated to the court that he did not see his brother in the house that afternoon from 4pm until 5.15pm yet his brother Luke claims that he made the dinner for them all.  Not hard to see who is lying is it?

Why don't you face it Sandra, you all thought that he would get out on the 'Cadder' ruling but you were sorely mistaken.



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 04:36:PM
as i said people can be in the same house and not know of each others prsence

id hardly call that overwhelming evednce of guilt

the evedence of the victems family was pretty inconsistant but that dosent mean they were lying

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 04:43:PM
as i said people can be in the same house and not know of each others prsence

id hardly call that overwhelming evednce of guilt

the evedence of the victems family was pretty inconsistant but that dosent mean they were lying

The evidence relating to the Jones family has absolutely nothing to do with Mitchell's guilt Sandra.

There are many strands of circumstantial evidence which implicates Mitchell in Jodi's murder.

He had the means, the motive and the opportunity.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 04:51:PM
he had no motive at all to want to kill  Jodi.

his opportunity would have been very limited he had at the most 45 minutes to meet her kill he mutilate the body then clean himself up without leaving a trace of himself there.

the family's evidence is very  relevant.

there many other people who certainly had the opportunity to kill her.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 04:54:PM
he had no motive at all to want to kill  Jodi.

his opportunity would have been very limited he had at the most 45 minutes to meet her kill he mutilate the body then clean himself up without leaving a trace of himself there.

the family's evidence is very  relevant.

there many other people who certainly had the opportunity to kill her.

He had the motive alright as he wanted her out of the way.  Could she have confronted him that afternoon about his planned liaison with the other girlfriend??  Could it have all gone wrong in a cannabis fuelled frenzy??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 04:58:PM
14 year old lads do not kill there girlfriend becouse they want to go off with another girl they just pick up the phone and say your dumped.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 05:01:PM
14 year old lads do not kill there girlfriend becouse they want to go off with another girl they just pick up the phone and say your dumped.

Given his history I am not surprised that he used his knife on her.  The same knife which has mysteriously disappeared.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 05:10:PM
he had no history of violence unlike most of the other people mentioned in the case.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 05:11:PM
he had no history of violence unlike most of the other people mentioned in the case.

So what do you call threatening another girl with rape whilst holding a knife at her throat??

Same old...same old!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 05:16:PM
there is absultly no evedence he did that.

that girls did come forward till after he had been convicted.

when she didcome forward she went to a newspaper not the police.

if she wa tellig the truth why did she not go the police after the murder.

how much was she paid by the newspaper for her story.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 05:21:PM
there is absultly no evedence he did that.

that girls did come forward till after he had been convicted.

when she didcome forward she went to a newspaper not the police.

if she wa tellig the truth why did she not go the police after the murder.

how much was she paid by the newspaper for her story.

How much was it that Corinne demanded for mamma Ruby Guetta's story??

£10,000 wasn't it with a picture.  Talk about making money off your own son's misfortune.

(http://i.imgur.com/WVBBz.jpg)

Mitchell's mother Corinne leaves court after the last failed appeal.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 05:29:PM
she has always dinied  she demanded any money for a story she has explained that several times.

we only have the word of a tabloid newspaper that any of that is true.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 05:32:PM
she has always dined demanded any money for a story she has explained that several times.

we only have the word of a tabloid newspaper that any of that is true.

That makes her an even bigger liar then.

Killer's Granny tries To Sell Her Story For £10K (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/2007/11/25/killer-s-granny-tries-to-sell-her-story-for-10k-78057-20158055/)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 05:37:PM
why he dident tell the press that it dosent make him a liar.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 05:43:PM
What about all those other Press stories about his exploits in HMP Shotts?

You know Sandra, the ones that Corinne keeps denying when we all know that they are true.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 05:49:PM
no evedence that any of them were true the press never named there sources for any of these storys.

i dont see how what somebody does in prison is all that relvant to weather they comited they crime they were sent there for.

and will you please stop calling me sandra.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 06:17:PM
Comments like that below by Mitchell's mother yesterday are unlikely to endear her to the justiciary.

Quote from: Corinne Mitchell
Just another guy with a silly wig not wanting to stand on the toes of  another guy in a silly wig and not have the guts to say they were wrong!

Take away the silly wigs and the Santa suits and what have you got?......3 craws, sat upon a wa'........with no concept of real life!!!

http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/6270/

...but then Corinne Mitchell is in denial about everthing that doesn't go her way.

When is the civil case by the way re the death by CO poisoning?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 06:24:PM
i have know idea and i dont see what its got to do with the murder anyway.

its completly unrelated.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 06:33:PM
i have know idea and i dont see what its got to do with the murder anyway.

its completly unrelated.

It's to do with Corinne's credibility isn't it as a witness.  She has already been proven a liar in court so it will be interesting to see what she says in the civil case against her.

(http://i.imgur.com/jkx5o.jpg)

Luke Mitchell and mother at Jodi Jones' graveside following the funeral earlier that day.

Jodi's mother had earlier asked the Mitchell's to stay away from the funeral. The floral tribute left by the Mitchell's was later that day lifted by Jodi's mother and returned to the Mitchell doorstep as a sign of her utter contempt for the family.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 06:40:PM
as far as i know there is no libel case agianst her and i havent heard that theres likely to be one.

if she was lying why all charges of lying agianst droped.

was it becouse the polce knew she was telling the truth.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 06:44:PM
as far as i know there is no libel case agianst her and i havent heard that theres likely to be one.

if she was lying why all charges of lying agianst droped.

was it becouse the polce knew she was telling the truth.

Lets refresh your memory then.

Murderer Mitchell's mother sued for £¼m over deadly caravan (http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Murderer-Mitchell39s-mother-sued-for.6704652.jp)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2011, 06:48:PM
thats isnt libel is it.

its got nothing to do with weather her son is incocent or guilty.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 16, 2011, 06:50:PM
thats isnt libel is it.

its got nothing to do with weather her son is incocent or guilty.

No its a civil case for damages.

Wonderful how your spelling always improves Missy???   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 20, 2011, 07:24:PM
I notice the sanctimonious back slapping continues unabated on WAP as the Mitchell camp attempt to rally from yet another defeat.

Keep up the good work chappies and especially the fake persona's parachuted in by scammer Middleton to swell the ranks of the believers.  It would be funny if it wasn't so sad!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2011, 01:06:AM
Ive put a Little bit about the case on my own forum.

http://mycrimesforum.myfastforum.org/forum4.php
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 23, 2011, 11:41:AM
Now the cross forum promotion begins.  You never change Middleton do you??   ;D ;D

Personally I believe that anyone who promotes their own forum on here should be banned.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2011, 12:28:PM
well i sugest you stop doing it yourself then.

now in your above posts you were calling me missy.

now calling me billy.

for christ make up your mind what sex i am
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 23, 2011, 12:30:PM
You noticed that then missy...... ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2011, 01:35:PM
you seem to discuss anything but the facts  of this case witch makes me wonder why you started the thread.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 24, 2011, 12:16:PM
It seems the Mitchell case is going from bad to worse to a no hoper.  I believe the SCCRC have intimated that they will not be taking any points forward.

So much for Sandra Lean's input.   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2011, 12:44:PM
and how would you know what the sccrc are doing.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 24, 2011, 12:50:PM
and how would you know what the sccrc are doing.

It's right though isn't it missy?   ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2011, 03:00:PM
i wouldn't have a clue what the sccrc are doing.

and nor would you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 24, 2011, 03:03:PM
i wouldn't have a clue what the sccrc are doing.

and nor would you.

Speak for yourself nuggy but I have contacts in the right places.  I was right about the latest appeal and I will be right about the CCRC referral.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2011, 03:10:PM
well if thats true then somebodys breaking the law by telling you and this will have to be investgated further.

that couldeven be grounds for a full investigation itself.

it could even be used as new grounds for appeall.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 24, 2011, 03:14:PM
Stephanie sends her regards missy!   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2011, 03:37:PM
if you have obtianed any information about a confidetial ccrc review.

then you have a comited a very serious crime one of course i will  feel compelled to report.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on April 24, 2011, 03:41:PM
Aye nuggy and the moon is made of cheese.   :-*
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 25, 2011, 04:25:PM
no i meant it john if i was somebody who believed a word you said i would report it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2011, 04:20:PM
updates.

http://mycrimesforum.myfastforum.org/forum4.php
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: wichfinder on May 03, 2011, 06:26:PM
oh his guilty.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 08, 2011, 02:45:PM
It does appear so in as much as his own brother and mother couldn't get their stories straight in relation to what was at the end of the day a very simple issue.  Liars are always caught out in the end!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2011, 03:23:PM
yes that's why were caught out john.

unlike yourself Shane and Corine arnt convicted liars
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 08, 2011, 08:12:PM
That sounds good coming from a coward who hides behind a false identity.

Shane had to tell the truth when faced with a charge of attempting to pervert the course of justice.  In doing so he dropped little bro and big momma right in it.

The guilty verdict against killer Luke renders Corinne a liar by implication, she was very lucky to have the charge of attempting to pervert the course of justice taken no further during the trial. One must bear in mind however that there is no reason why such a charge cannot still be reinstated when the application to the SCCRC fails so she had better watch out. 

That applies to you too nugget since the defamations made publicly by you and others against certain members of the justiciary and former senior police officers have a habit of coming back to haunt.   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2011, 08:47:PM
sory a man convicted of  robing old ladys old ladys is in know position somone else a liar

fact they were not convicted of lying unlike yourself.

and your in no postion to call anyone a coward seeing as your hideing away in spain.

you havent even got the bollocks to be in the same country as the people your slaging off.





Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2011, 08:55:PM
ive challenged these people to sue sevral none of them have aint that funny

i welcome all law suits that come my way.

everything ive said about this senoir policeman can back up by fact so if hes reading this i say bring it on.

frontline and rough justice have allready said this he hasnt dared to sue them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 08, 2011, 10:43:PM
sory a man convicted of  robing old ladys old ladys is in know position somone else a liar

fact they were not convicted of lying unlike yourself.

and your in no postion to call anyone a coward seeing as your hideing away in spain.

you havent even got the bollocks to be in the same country as the people your slaging off.

Maybe you should get your facts straight yet again imbecile penguin.  I have never been convicted of robbing anyone let alone any old ladies.  As for being convicted of lying, I have never faced a charge of perjury not like the Mitchell's who were both charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice and were warned in relation to a charge of perjury.

You don't know where I live idiot so quit while you are ahead as you are beginning to look stupid now!   ;D

As for suing you, I believe it is only a matter of time before you receive a writ.  The archives relating to you and your defamations are quite interesting and should make for excellent reading on my new forum.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2011, 11:15:PM
your convicted of robing your dying aunt who was old lady i believe and lying to the taxman.

a fact witch i can easly back up and will.

so your really in know postion to talk about other peoples honesty.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 01:32:AM
Oh I have no problem with my honesty and this is backed up by every single member of my family and every person who knows me personally. I cannot help it if a certain Procurator Fiscal Depute was a lying bitch who was only out to make a name for herself.

You on the other hand are a non entity nugget, a fictional character, a charade who professes to know all about me and others when you haven't the first clue.

I pity you nugget, for all the time I have known you and your fake lingo I have come to see you as a lonely and embittered soul.  When you set out upon this crusade nugget you had some good to say to most people but I have watched as your demeanour has changed. I have watched you attack posters on several forums when you thought that us regulars weren't around. I have watched you slander many people including the Jodi Jones family...shame on you nugget.

Where do you go from here nugget or should I use your real name?  All those slanderous accusations in the public domain....  remember Scott Forbes isn't the only one who can sue!!   ;) ;)

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 02:08:AM
Quote from: Flora on WAP
Hi Sandra - t'would be fab if you'd take a look at the alibi thing, since that issue underpins the whole convinction.  It is such a pity that no-one saw Luke coming home or leaving to meet Jodi.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg12973/?PHPSESSID=2a2d092170a070d93d52896ca2a8b8e8#new)

Isn't it just a pity indeed but then again it could never have happened because he wasn't there to be seen!!   ;D ;D

PS.. Bit of warning here Flora.  hint  hint   ....them lot down at WAP don't like you to talk about those non existent witnesses!!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 02:19:AM
No crocodile tears on this occasion?

(http://i.imgur.com/DNbTo.jpg)

Luke Mitchell and mother Corinne with family pet Mia in tow, attend the grave of murder victim Jodi Jones just hours after her funeral.  Mitchell was told to stay away from the cemetery by Judy Jones, the victim's mother, but couldn't resist making an issue of it.

Hours earlier Mitchell had given an interview to James Matthews of Sky News.

Transcript follows.....
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 02:24:AM
JAMES MATTHEWS:  It’s 65 days since Jodi was killed, Luke, clearly it’s a tragedy for her family, do you see it as a tragedy for your family as well?

LUKE:  Yes.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  Tell me about your experience over the last two months.

LUKE:  It’s just been worse than a nightmare.  At least a nightmare you wake up from eventually but this, you can’t wake up from it.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  What’s been the worst part of the last two months?

LUKE:  The worst part would be still finding Jodi.  That was still the worst part.  All the rest of it, the police and accusations and everything I couldn’t care about, it’s just … I just want to find out what happened and who did it.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  Do you feel that the finger has been pointed at you as the person responsible?

LUKE:  I feel it has been left to the media and public to decide.  It is trial by media.  They haven’t actually come out and totally accused me, apart from in interviews, the police have accused me but I feel it has been left to trial by media to see what the public decide, who’s guilty and who’s not.  The way the police are handling it, they have searched other houses and they have other suspects but I seem to be really the only person they are mentioning by name in specific detail.

JAMES MATTHEWS: But you have an alibi for that night because you were with friends?

LUKE: Yes. I was, first I was waiting just at the end of the estate where I was in full view, cars were passing, people were just getting home from work on buses, then I met up with my friends.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  Who vouch for you?

LUKE:  Yes, they gave statements the same as mine.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  It is a question on everybody’s lips in this community, it is a question you clearly have an answer for.  Did you kill Jodi Jones?

LUKE:  No, I never, I wouldn’t think of it.  All the time we were going out we never had one argument at all, never.  We never fell out or anything.

JAMES MATTHEWS: How do you feel at being told to stay away from the funeral?

LUKE: That was a hard blow.  I was dreading going to the funeral but I did want to go and being told not to go due to the fact that it would turn the funeral into a circus, a media circus, was bad.  It would have been a media circus without me but that was, if it was the family’s wishes, that’s what I was going to do?

JAMES MATTHEWS: You have paid your own tribute, you have written a poem.  Tell me why you felt you needed to do that?

LUKE:  I just felt I had to say goodbye in my own way.

JAMES MATTHEWS:  So what would you say to those who would look at you and think he killed his girlfriend?

LUKE: I just say they are being naïve and not to believe everything you read in the papers.  As a lot of folk know from what they’ve said and what’s turned out in the papers, they do change what people have said, not the whole truth is published in papers.  It is basically what the people want to hear is what printed.

JAMES MATTHEWS: I suppose the difficulty is from 5 p.m. to whenever Jodie was found, that's a long time to fill and to account for, especially if you lose track of time.  The question I suppose for detectives, for people who look at that is could anybody account for every minute in that sort of period?  Can you, can you account for every minute?

LUKE:  No.  Well the police seem to expect people to, as you say, pin down every minute of their life, to expect us to know when we do small insignificant things like doing the dishes, expect us to have a time for that, it isn’t possible to keep a pin of every minute that you do something.

JAMES MATTHEWS: This burning of clothes keeps getting mentioned and there is also the subject of a missing knife, is that your missing knife?

LUKE: No.  The burning clothes that wasn’t us.  They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes.

JAMES MATTHEWS: Was that you or anyone connected to you?

LUKE:  No, not that we know of.

JAMES MATTHEWS: Finally, do you miss Jodi?

LUKE:  A lot.  It’s just, everything I do seems to remind me, her views and everything come up everywhere.  Everywhere you look, going about the streets, there are posters.  It’s just, I can’t believe … it still feels like a nightmare.

ENDS



http://skynewstranscripts.co.uk/transcript.asp?id=54
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2011, 11:45:AM
No crocodile tears on this occasion?

(http://i.imgur.com/DNbTo.jpg)

Luke Mitchell and mother Corinne with family pet Mia in tow, attend the grave of murder victim Jodi Jones just hours after her funeral.  Mitchell was told to stay away from the cemetery by Judy Jones, the victim's mother, but couldn't resist making an issue of it.

Hours earlier Mitchell had given an interview to James Matthews of Sky News.

Transcript follows.....

well anyone would want to viset there girlfriends thats just called being human.

and lay a tribute.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 12:18:PM
Given the subsequent murder conviction it was totally inappropriate missy!

It seems that Corinne Mitchell had little respect for the Jones family by blatantly going against their wishes.  Any normal person would have visited the grave when the Press had all disappeared but not Corinne Mitchell. There was no excuse for it.

To make matters worse she earlier entertains James Matthews from Sky News in order that her son give an interview at the very moment Jodi was being interred, an interview which has come to haunt them all to this day.

Would that be the tribute that the Jones family delivered back to the Mitchell doorstep in a act of utter contempt for them?

(http://i.imgur.com/RmTcR.jpg)

Killers tribute to his girlfriend!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2011, 12:58:PM
its normall behavior if love someone.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 10:42:PM
What is normal behaviour is to honour the wishes of the deceased's family.  Apparently the Mitchell's with new girlfriend in tow couldn't even get that right.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2011, 10:48:PM
she was one of jodis friends who wanted to pay tribute as well.

theres was no evedence she was ever girlfriend.

but then agian i suppose i cant expect an ex cop to understand human feelings.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 10:52:PM
So you have a problem against all cops now nugget?  Lets hope you never need to call on one to help you some day!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: shonapugs on May 09, 2011, 11:09:PM
Forgive me John, I'm aware of this case but not privy to all the facts. You post some serious stuff on JB's forum, but you're pissing on your chips here, jousting with nugnug. You'll never win, just send your blood pressure up, like with me and Jackie. Pissing on your chips, into the wind................
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 09, 2011, 11:16:PM
Don't worry about nugnug, I am very well aware who is behind that particular façade and why they do what they do!   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: shonapugs on May 09, 2011, 11:31:PM
Okey doke, John. I'll leave you to it. But you're worth more than that, by the looks of things.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 10, 2011, 12:06:AM
Oh I have no problem with my honesty and this is backed up by every single member of my family and every person who knows me personally. I cannot help it if a certain Procurator Fiscal Depute was a lying bitch who was only out to make a name for herself.

You on the other hand are a non entity nugget, a fictional character, a charade who professes to know all about me and others when you haven't the first clue.

I pity you nugget, for all the time I have known you and your fake lingo I have come to see you as a lonely and embittered soul.  When you set out upon this crusade nugget you had some good to say to most people but I have watched as your demeanour has changed. I have watched you attack posters on several forums when you thought that us regulars weren't around. I have watched you slander many people including the Jodi Jones family...shame on you nugget.

Where do you go from here nugget or should I use your real name?  All those slanderous accusations in the public domain....  remember Scott Forbes isn't the only one who can sue!!   ;) ;)

as i said i have be chalngling people to sue for a long while nobody has

i would dearly love them to sue.

if youre implying that your going to sue then please be my guest.
it would be great to meet you in court of law.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 10, 2011, 02:24:PM
All good things come to them who wait....

That said nugget I don't have an issue with you personally and have found you to be quite accommodating any time that we have cross posted.  However, you have made some serious accusations recently against people in Edinburgh which I hope you will never have to substantiate in a court of law.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on May 10, 2011, 08:00:PM
I see the auld Scottish blood feud is still simmering away   ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 12, 2011, 03:08:AM
I notice it is now being said that John Ferris fingered Luke for the murder after all.  Could it be that Ferris and his friend Gordon Dickie did actually see something when they made over the wall that afternoon?  Could it be that they saw Luke Mitchell murdering Jodi Jones but were too traumatised to tell anyone except possibly David Dickie.  Is that why David Dickie was so sure that Luke was the culprit?

Lots beginning to add up now!

See page 12 of the discussion - post by Cheekio at 8.26pm 11 May (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/04/04/four-appeals-by-jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-cost-112-000-in-legal-aid-86908-23036950/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom)

(http://i.imgur.com/u6Ina.jpg)

John Ferris pictured arriving at court
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 12, 2011, 03:35:PM
It seems that the nutty penguin has done a runner....    ;)

Anyway, apparently WAP are trying to get out of this one now that pussy is out of the bag.  Now we know why John Ferris did a bunk to Ayr with his maw and all....extremely interesting!  ;D


(http://i.imgur.com/iJaq7.jpg)

Murderer Luke Mitchell and new girlfriend attend Jodi's grave in the full glare of the Press and the police after having been told to stay away by the murdered girls family.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 12, 2011, 03:51:PM
The log burner situated in the Mitchell's back garden where the prosecution contend that Luke's clothing was burned on the afternoon of the murder.  Several of Corinne Mitchell's neighbours spoke of an unusual wafting smell emanating from the Mitchell garden.

(http://i.imgur.com/2DKbU.jpg)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 12, 2011, 07:24:PM
Lord Nimmo Smith said Jodi’s injuries were the worst he had ever seen.

A blade was drawn backwards and forwards across her throat at least 20 times.  Her eyelids were slit by a hand steady enough not to touch her eyeballs. And her clothes were cut from her body before deep gashes were made to a cheek, breast and her abdomen.  The knife was also jabbed hard into her mouth.

Jodi’s arms were then bound with her trousers and her naked body dumped behind a tree near a woodland path.  Within minutes of murdering his girlfriend in June 2003, Mitchell phoned her home to ask where she was.

Article (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/101719/Boy-fiend-who-killed-Jodi.html#ixzz1MADTTLys)


(http://i.imgur.com/T54nl.jpg)

Victim... Jodi Jones' throat was cut 20 times
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2011, 10:38:AM
It seems that the nutty penguin has done a runner....    ;)

Anyway, apparently WAP are trying to get out of this one now that pussy is out of the bag.  Now we know why John Ferris did a bunk to Ayr with his maw and all....extremely interesting!  ;D


(http://i.imgur.com/iJaq7.jpg)

Murderer Luke Mitchell and new girlfriend attend Jodi's grave in the full glare of the Press and the police after having been told to stay away by the murdered girls family.

i havent done runner john.

just sometime i other things to do than post on forums.


agian there is no proof she was girlfriend.

she was girl who happened

she happened to be a friend of jodi and wanted to pay respects

as did luke mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2011, 10:41:AM
The log burner situated in the Mitchell's back garden where the prosecution contend that Luke's clothing was burned on the afternoon of the murder.  Several of Corinne Mitchell's neighbours spoke of an unusual wafting smell emanating from the Mitchell garden.

(http://i.imgur.com/2DKbU.jpg)

the plce took that log burner to bits and found nothing had been burnt in it that shouldent have been they found no evedence that be used agianst luke mitchell at all.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 13, 2011, 12:20:PM
The Infamous Mitchell Log burner...

Apparently the Appeal Court and the jury took a different view...

[139]...At page 17, the suspect had, following a barrage of questions to which the questioner had not awaited any answer, conceded that his mother and brother had had a fire on the night of 30 June 2003 in the log burner in the back garden of the house where the suspect lived.

[144] The first passage that had been founded upon by the Crown was to be found at page 17 of the transcript of the interview, where the appellant agreed that on 30 June 2003 his mother and brother had had a fire in the log burner. However, there had been evidence of that fire from Mr and Mrs Frankland and also from Mr Ramage.

[154] In these circumstances, it is necessary to consider the position in relation to those particular parts of the appellant's replies to questioning that the Crown founded upon during the course of the trial, with a view to seeing whether those individual replies were given to questions which ought to be regarded individually as unfair. The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire. Looking at the questioning to which that reply was given, no unfairness strikes us as being involved. Furthermore, evidence of the existence of such a fire had been laid before the jury from Mr and Mrs Frankland and Mr Ramage.

Appeal Judgement 16 May 2008 (http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2008HCJAC28.html)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 15, 2011, 06:40:PM
This statement intrigues me.

Quote
The court heard that Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on July 4, 2003, claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening. He has previously told police he was at home until 5.30pm or 5.40pm.

Yet Shane has a different take on things.

Luke's brother admits mum aided evidence
Source: Evening News - Scotland
Date: 1/13/2005

THE brother of Jodi Jones murder accused Luke Mitchell today admitted discussing his police statement with his mother before telling police Luke was in the family's house on the day the schoolgirl was killed.

In a statement given to police on July 7, 2003, Shane Mitchell said he recalled seeing his brother in the kitchen "mashing tatties".

The High Court in Edinburgh heard that his mother had given a statement the previous day also claiming that Luke was in the kitchen that evening "cooking pies and mashing potatoes". But the jury previously heard that when Shane was questioned by police on April 14 last year he said he had not seen Luke in the house on the evening of June 30, 2003, and that he had been looking at pornography on his computer in his bedroom.

Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane's statement from July 7 to the jury. In his statement he told police that he remembered his mother's car being in the driveway and the front door being open.

His statement continued: "I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.

"Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him.

"He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been." The court heard that Shane then went upstairs to log on to his computer but was called down for dinner by Luke five minutes later.

Mr Turnbull asked Mr Mitchell: "I want to understand how it came to be that you make this reference to police about mashing tatties." Mr Turnbull then read out to the court the section of Mrs Mitchell's statement given on the previous day to Shane's. She said in her statement: "When I got home Luke was in the kitchen first of all. Luke then strained the potatoes and mashed them. At that point I think Shane came in and I could smell the pies in the oven and I asked one of them to take them out, commenting that Luke had overdone them."

Mr Turnbull then asked Mr Mitchell: "When you came to give your statement the very next day it includes reference to you saying that Luke was mashing the tatties and there being a burning smell."

Mr Mitchell agreed. Mr Turnbull then asked: "How can it be you gave information to police which was incorrect and then give information about mashing tatties and burnt pies.

"Before you gave that statement did you discuss with anyone what you should say to police?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "In a way."

Mr Turnbull said: "Who".

Mitchell replied: "My mother."

Mr Mitchell then admitted he had been affected by this discussion with his mother. "If it had not been for that discussion with your mother would you have been able to give any of this evidence to police?" Mr Turnbull asked.

"Not really," replied Mr Mitchell.

Asked what his mother had said to him after giving her statement Mr Mitchell replied: "She said to me: 'You came in and Luke was with us and we had tatties for dinner, then you went back out again.'"

Mr Mitchell told the court that he was "extremely shaken" when he gave his statement to police.

Luke Mitchell denies murdering Jodi on June 30, 2003 at a wooded area near Roan's Dyke, between the Newbattle and Easthouses areas of Dalkeith. The trial continues







Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 16, 2011, 01:44:AM
An excellent post Janet which clearly shows that the Mitchell family lied through their teeth prior to and during the trial.  It is a sheer impossibility that two boys could be in a small house together for over half an hour with one of them making dinner and not hear each other.  Corinne Mitchell bleats on about Luke being in the garden when Shane came in and that is why they did not see each other.  That is quite possible but it is impossible for Luke to have prepared dinner including burning the chicken pie and Shane not noticing it especially when he was involved in an activity upstairs which he admitted he would only have done had the house been empty.

Add to this the fact that not one child ever came forward to say that they had seen Luke go home from school that afternoon, saw him go to his house around 4.40pm or saw him leave home at 5.30pm.  What is ever worse is that I offered to provide a reward for any witness who would come forward and give Luke Mitchell that crucial alibi and I was shot down in flames. 

It would appear that the Mitchell family would rather their son spend the next 13 years in prison than go searching for witnesses...to me that speaks volumes!

Telephone Hotline   still available for any witnesses  07092 984231

Did you see Luke Mitchell between 4.00pm and 5.40pm on the day of Jodi's murder?



http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-12877258.html
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 16, 2011, 04:59:PM
its irrelevant weather anyone saw him go home because Jodi was still alive then.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 16, 2011, 05:04:PM
Really?  Was she?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 16, 2011, 05:07:PM
the family story confirm she was still alive now unless the Jones and the Mitchell's were in it together she must of still been alive.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 16, 2011, 07:21:PM
heres whats being said on the daily record.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/community/profile/?plckPersonaPage=PersonaHome&plckUserId=286609-ncms&UID=286609-ncms&sid=community.dailyrecord.co.uk
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 16, 2011, 11:38:PM
No crocodile tears on this occasion?

(http://i.imgur.com/DNbTo.jpg)

Luke Mitchell and mother Corinne with family pet Mia in tow, attend the grave of murder victim Jodi Jones just hours after her funeral.  Mitchell was told to stay away from the cemetery by Judy Jones, the victim's mother, but couldn't resist making an issue of it.

Hours earlier Mitchell had given an interview to James Matthews of Sky News.

Transcript follows.....

well anyone would want to viset there girlfriends thats just called being human.

and lay a tribute.

Wish you would make your mind up. It was suggested in court that Luke Mitchell was seeing another girl Kimberly Thompson at the same time he was seeing poor Jodi.

The response to that from the Mitchell camp was that he was just a young boy and it was not a serious adult relationship and he was not two timing. (or words to that effect)

Ms Thompson said in court up until she heard about the murder she believed she was his girlfriend. Now why would she think this? Is this not two timing? Most teenage girls would see it as exactly that.

So if it was not a serious relationship like adults have and he could have as many girlfriends as he liked, what gave him or his mother the right to go to the grave when they had been told to stay away?

Not only did he go to the graveside with his mother and a girl pal plus a dog, they ended up with media there too. Plus giving the Sky interview on the very day Jodi was being buried was sickening.

Why did these people need to continually put themselves in the spotlight?

They would not like it if they told someone not to go somewhere and they did. The Mitchells have no respect for anyone.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 16, 2011, 11:48:PM
threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:02:AM
threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.

Well she testified in court that she was his girlfriend.  Luke Mitchell never stood up in court and said she wasn't his girlfriend did he?

Having two girlfriends could be a motive for murder.

Visiting the grave of a child, whose mother had insisted he was not to go there was a total lack of respect.
They should have abided by the Jones family decision but no they knew better.

There is no excuse whatsoever for them being at the grave against the mothers wishes. They had no rights to be there plain and simples.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:04:AM
if love someone you visit there grave weather you are told to stay away or or not.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: shonapugs on May 17, 2011, 12:11:AM
Or, if you were intelligent enough, you might keep your head down, show some respect and grieve at a distance...............
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:12:AM
An excellent post Janet which clearly shows that the Mitchell family lied through their teeth prior to and during the trial.  It is a sheer impossibility that two boys could be in a small house together for over half an hour with one of them making dinner and not hear each other.  Corinne Mitchell bleats on about Luke being in the garden when Shane came in and that is why they did not see each other.  That is quite possible but it is impossible for Luke to have prepared dinner including burning the chicken pie and Shane not noticing it especially when he was involved in an activity upstairs which he admitted he would only have done had the house been empty.

Add to this the fact that not one child ever came forward to say that they had seen Luke go home from school that afternoon, saw him go to his house around 4.40pm or saw him leave home at 5.30pm.  What is ever worse is that I offered to provide a reward for any witness who would come forward and give Luke Mitchell that crucial alibi and I was shot down in flames. 

It would appear that the Mitchell family would rather their son spend the next 13 years in prison than go searching for witnesses...to me that speaks volumes!

Telephone Hotline   still available for any witnesses  07092 984231

Did you see Luke Mitchell between 4.00pm and 5.40pm on the day of Jodi's murder?



http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-12877258.html

are you going to tell peple how much that call will cost them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:14:AM
Or, if you were intelligent enough, you might keep your head down, show some respect and grieve at a distance...............

Exactly Shonapugs. Just what I have thought for a long long time.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:15:AM
Or, if you were intelligent enough, you might keep your head down, show some respect and grieve at a distance...............

when your young you dont think like that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: shonapugs on May 17, 2011, 12:21:AM
Blimey, nugnug, this is a particularly horrible and sad case. But, sadly, it doesn't take much working out. That poor young girl, and a scared boyfriend, and a "if I can't have you, then nobody can" scenario. It's all a bit Jeremy Kyle, isn't it?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:23:AM
The log burner situated in the Mitchell's back garden where the prosecution contend that Luke's clothing was burned on the afternoon of the murder.  Several of Corinne Mitchell's neighbours spoke of an unusual wafting smell emanating from the Mitchell garden.

(http://i.imgur.com/2DKbU.jpg)



exept the police found no trace of any clothes being burned.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:25:AM
Blimey, nugnug, this is a particularly horrible and sad case. But, sadly, it doesn't take much working out. That poor young girl, and a scared boyfriend, and a "if I can't have you, then nobody can" scenario. It's all a bit Jeremy Kyle, isn't it?

exept there none of his dna on the body.

but theres another guys sperm and blood on there.

how does he clean his own dna off and leave someone elses on there.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:29:AM
nugnug

what intrigues me about you is you came from nowhere on another forum, claiming only to be someone who had read a particular book, with no more knowledge of the case than was online or in the one chapter of a book.
You also stated you did not know anyone from the Mitchell camp yet here you are yet again being the spokesperson with all the answers to any questions. Or rather trying to deflect from any negative posts made about the case.

As for the DNA. Where is the proof of this? No one ever gets to see the proof of anything. It is selectively typed out and that is not proof.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:32:AM
i dont have to explian myself for having a different opinion to you.

steven kelly is not denying his dna is on there nor are the police there jus disputing how it got there.

by innocent transfer or by other means.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:36:AM
i dont have myself for having a different opinion to you.

steven kelly is not denying his dna is on there nor are the police there jus disputing how it got there.

by innocent transfer or by other means.

Are you accusing someone of murder here?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:39:AM
no all i am saying is you cant clean off your own dna and leave the dna of other peoples on there.

how did luke clear all his dna and from her all hers from him leaving no trace of himself being there.

but leave steven kellys on there plus unknown profiles of other people.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:42:AM
the pocle doctor who examed luke mitchell said his hair was unwashed and his nails wear grubby.

meaning he dident clean himself up.

no forensic clean up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:51:AM
no all i am saying is you cant clean off your own dna and leave the dna of other people on there.

how did luke clear all his dna and all hers from him leaving no trace of himself being there.

but leave steven kellys on there plus unknown profiles of other people.

ever thought he may have changed his clothing?  Isn't there are 40 minutes or so that Luke Mitchell is unaccounted for?  If so, then that is plenty time to get changed and rid of stuff. The bins were all emptied before the police could look in them too.

It was raining the night the body lay out for all those hours also.

as for grubby fingernails well they could happen in a matter of hours if boys are playing around on swings and in woods. So that does not prove he did not clean himself up.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:55:AM
so how would the rain  wipehis DNA off and leave other peoples on there.

40 minutes to commit a brutal murder clean yourself up get changed and get dirty again hardly likely.

the pathologist said Jodi fought for her life but Luke Mitchell didn't have a mark on him not a scratch

i think they said his ha dent not been washed for 3 days.

do sent fit with someone cleaning themselves up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 01:06:AM
so how would the rain his dna off and leave other peoples on there.

40 minutes to comit a brutel murder clean yourself up get changed and get dirty agian hardly likey.

Anything is possible.  No one is suggesting he put clean clothes on. After all we are talking about someone who stored 20 bottles of urine under his bed. His room was not one of the tidiest rooms we have ever heard about and I am sure there was some dirty washing lying around that he could have changed into.

From what I have read the opinion of the police is that she went there with someone she knew. She was kneeling down

Quote
Forensic scientist Derek Scrimger,40,said he was called at home and arrived at the path at 8am the following day.When he got there, her body had been moved from the original position and her clothing gathered together.

Mr Scrimger said there were two areas of bloodstaining on the wall near where her body was found.


Mr Scrimger said if her throat had been cut from behind, the blood would have travelled forward and there wouldn't necessarily have been any on the attacker.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI%27S+WRISTS+TIED+UP+WITH+TROUSERS%3B+Expert+tells+of+body+found+at...-a0126143100



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 01:12:AM
so hardly a bedroom that's been cleaned you couldn't com it all those mutilations and not get blood on you.

jodi fought back that would take minutes then theres all the mutilation then theres having to get back with nobody seeing him.

and clean himself up.

a lot to do in 40 minutes.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 01:25:AM
so hardly a bedroom that's been cleaned you couldn't com it all those mutilations and not get blood on you.

jodi fought back that would take minutes then theres all the mutilation then theres having to get back with nobody seeing him.

and clean himself up.

a lot to do in 40 minutes.

That is assuming he had much cleaning up to do isn't it? You are inferring that he would be blood stained. It is possible he was not.

Mitchell could have worn gloves.

The court was also told that Shane said in a statement on July 3, 2003, that he had returned home from work to Newbattle Abbey Crescent on June 30, 2003, at about 3.40pm.

However, four days later, he said that he had arrived back that day between 4.55pm and 5pm.

In evidence, Shane told the court: "I believe I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in the first one."

The court heard that, while being interviewed under police caution on the day his brother was arrested, Shane Mitchell was told that officers suspected him of deliberately giving false information.

So this 40 mins could have given a longer time Luke Mitchell was unaccounted for if Shane Mitchells first statement is the correct one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html




Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 11:20:AM
threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.

Oh yes there is and well you know it missy....

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurdertrial/Natural-born-killer.2597278.jp
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 11:27:AM
so hardly a bedroom that's been cleaned you couldn't com it all those mutilations and not get blood on you.

Jodi fought back that would take minutes then theres all the mutilation then theres having to get back with nobody seeing him.

and clean himself up.

a lot to do in 40 minutes.

That is assuming he had much cleaning up to do isn't it? You are inferring that he would be blood stained. It is possible he was not.

Mitchell could have worn gloves.

The court was also told that Shane said in a statement on July 3, 2003, that he had returned home from work to Newbattle Abbey Crescent on June 30, 2003, at about 3.40pm.

However, four days later, he said that he had arrived back that day between 4.55pm and 5pm.

In evidence, Shane told the court: "I believe I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in the first one."

The court heard that, while being interviewed under police caution on the day his brother was arrested, Shane Mitchell was told that officers suspected him of deliberately giving false information.

So this 40 Min's could have given a longer time Luke Mitchell was unaccounted for if Shane Mitchells first statement is the correct one.

http://www.telegraph.co.UK/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html


the victims family have changed there story several including the time Jodi went out.


this was one of the most brutal murders in history.

it would be impossible for the person who committed it not to have blood on them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 11:32:AM
threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.

Oh yes there is and well you know it missy....

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurdertrial/Natural-born-killer.2597278.jp

why did this girl never go to the police at the time of the murder if she had really been attacked.

why did she only come after he was convicted to talk to tabliod is possibly becouse she made the whole thing up for money.

jodi never mentioned knowing anything about kimberly thomsan kimberly thomsan lived miles away there was very little danger of jodi finding out.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 11:42:AM
You are missing the point here nugnug when you say

Quote
The victims family have changed there story several including the time Jodi went out.


this was one of the most brutal murders in history.

it would be impossible for the person who committed it not to have blood on them.

Luke Mitchell is the one who needed an alibi. He said he was at home with his mother.
Shane Mitchell's original statement said he came home at 3.40 pm that day. That is a pretty specific time.
So if he did come home then, Luke Mitchell was not at home then. Shane only changed his story after a conversation with his mother.

How do you know it would be impossible for the person who committed the murder not to have blood on them?
Was blood stained clothing ever found? I have not seen anywhere that there was. So there is no proof whatsoever that the murderer was blood stained.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 11:44:AM
the whole area was bloodsatained it dont take much to work out the killler must have been.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 11:47:AM
no all i am saying is you cant clean off your own dna and leave the dna of other peoples on there.

how did luke clear all his dna and from her all hers from him leaving no trace of himself being there.

but leave steven kellys on there plus unknown profiles of other people.

So tell us missy, how did Luke Mitchell remove all traces of Jodi from himself and his clothing remembering that he had been with her several times the day of the murder?

Could it be that he changed his clothes and washed?   ;D

The only reason his hands were grubby was that he spent three hours mucking about in the woods with his pals after the murder.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 11:49:AM
it well it was established by the police doctor that he hadn't washed.

and all acounts say he was in the same clothes all day.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 11:50:AM
threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.

Oh yes there is and well you know it missy....

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurdertrial/Natural-born-killer.2597278.jp

why did this girl never go to the police at the time of the murder if she had really been attacked.

why did she only come after he was convicted to talk to tabliod is possibly becouse she made the whole thing up for money.

jodi never mentioned knowing anything about kimberly thomsan kimberly thomsan lived miles away there was very little danger of jodi finding out.

Do you have proof of the statement you have made here about the girl only making this up for money?
It is possible the girl did not say anything because perhaps she was not meant to have a boyfriend and got a fright when she read what had happened. That is a possibility. There is a possibility that she is telling the truth and not lying. You cannot make statements about things you have not been party to yourself.

Why would there have been little danger of Jodi finding anything out about Kimberley? She could have read texts on Luke Mitchell's phone for all you know. You do not know this for a fact either.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 11:52:AM
so how would the rain  wipehis DNA off and leave other peoples on there.

40 minutes to commit a brutal murder clean yourself up get changed and get dirty again hardly likely.

the pathologist said Jodi fought for her life but Luke Mitchell didn't have a mark on him not a scratch

i think they said his ha dent not been washed for 3 days.

do sent fit with someone cleaning themselves up.

Jodi never touched her attacker no matter how hard she allegedly fought.

Scrapings from her finger nails provided only her own DNA.

He probably had a second set of clothes all along thus why no forensics relating to Jodi were ever found on him.  Its wonderful what you can get in a backpack!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 11:53:AM
it well it was established by the police doctor that he hadn't washed.

and all acounts say he was in the same clothes all day.

There is no real proof of that either.

The area may have been blood stained but it does not follow that the killer was covered in blood.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 11:53:AM
a lot of probeblys here.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 11:54:AM
so how would the rain  wipehis DNA off and leave other peoples on there.

40 minutes to commit a brutal murder clean yourself up get changed and get dirty again hardly likely.

the pathologist said Jodi fought for her life but Luke Mitchell didn't have a mark on him not a scratch

i think they said his ha dent not been washed for 3 days.

do sent fit with someone cleaning themselves up.

Jodi never touched her attacker no matter how hard she allegedly fought.

Scrapings from her finger nails provided only her own DNA.

He probably had a second set of clothes all along thus why no forensics relating to Jodi were ever found on him.  Its wonderful what you can get in a backpack!

excellent point John.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 11:55:AM
a lot of probeblys here.

Yes there are a lot of probably's in this case. Most coming from you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 11:56:AM
it well it was established by the police doctor that he hadn't washed.

and all acounts say he was in the same clothes all day.

There is no real proof of that either.

The area may have been blood stained but it does not follow that the killer was covered in blood.

theres concerete he hadent washed the police examined him.

logically conclusion that the killer had bllood on him.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 11:57:AM
I find it interesting that one of Mitchell's potential witnesses is now a solicitor in Glasgow and works alongside his new lawyers.

Do they not call that a conflict of interest?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 11:58:AM
it well it was established by the police doctor that he hadn't washed.

and all acounts say he was in the same clothes all day.

There is no real proof of that either.

The area may have been blood stained but it does not follow that the killer was covered in blood.

theres concerete he hadent washed the police examined him.

logically conclusion that the killer had bllood on him.

Not logical conclusion that the killer had blood on him at all.  As I stated previously, If he did wash his hands, he was then messing about on a swing or in woods with pals. Hands would have got grubby again. So proves nothing.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 11:58:AM
I find it interesting that one of Mitchell's potential witnesses is now a solicitor in Glasgow and works alongside his new lawyers.

Do they not call that a conflict of interest?

What witness is this John?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:06:PM
Scott Forbes.

 He is the one who tried to sell a story isn't he? What kind of lawyer will he make?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:08:PM
ive watch it i think hes already sued somone for saying that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:12:PM
ive watch it i think hes already sued somone for saying that.

It was said in court nugnug. I am repeating what was said in court. So why would I be sued?

Quote
Mr Findlay said Mr Forbes had given a sworn statement last month and his claims were still being investigated.

But John Beckett QC, for the Crown, revealed that police investigations cast doubt on what Mr Forbes had told solicitors and a BBC Frontline Scotland programme in May last year.

Quote
Mr Beckett also said Mr Forbes had told Mr Kane to co-operate "and we will get £50,000 from the newspapers".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7243068.stm
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 12:15:PM
ive watch it i think hes already sued somone for saying that.

Well you can read all about it here...

Luke Mitchell Witness Wanted £50K For His Story, Court Hears (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/02/14/luke-mitchell-witness-wanted-50k-for-his-story-court-hears-86908-20318873/)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:16:PM
all so this story comes from the police and the proscution very reliable.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:18:PM
all so this story comes from the police and the proscution very reliable.

The jury and judges have believed what has been said from the begining.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:37:PM
all so this story comes from the police and the proscution very reliable.

The jury and judges have believed what has been said from the begining.



what jurys and judges believe is often not what is the truth.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 12:38:PM
Shane's knows the truth though doesn't he missy??   ;D

Even though mummy tried to persuade him ......
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 12:41:PM
Jodi Jones in happier times....

(http://i.imgur.com/OFVdM.jpg)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:43:PM
a lot of people know the truth and there starting to come forward now.

Shane has never been convicted of lying to the police now that's probably because he didn't

nor  as Corine.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:47:PM
all so this story comes from the police and the proscution very reliable.

The jury and judges have believed what has been said from the begining.



what jurys and judges believe is often not what is the truth.

That is true. But everything the Mitchells say is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Don't ask us to doubt the the jury and the judge, and question everything  they have done, then tell us that the Mitchells have not lied. You cannot possibly know they did not lie as fact. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+Are+you+sure+you+understand+the+importance+of...-a0127135382

Quote
POLICE suspected Luke Mitchell's brother of deliberately giving them false information.

Shane Mitchell, 23, initially told detectives he got home from work about 3.40pm on the day Jodi died.

But he later made a second statement and changed the time he returned home to nearly 5pm.

Shane tells the court he gave a number of statements to police in the weeks following Jodi's death.

Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC reads from the statement given on July 3 where Shane tells police he returned home from work at 3.40pm.

Shane says that he cannot remember what he said. He agrees he made a second statement on July 7 but he could not remember exactly how it came about.

He says: 'It is a long time ago and a lot has passed. I believe I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in my first one.'

In his new statement he gave the time he returned home as 'between 4.55pm and 5pm.'

Shane also agrees with the Advocate Depute that he was questioned by police on April 14 last year, the same day his brother was arrested.

Alan Turnbull QC asks: 'Were you told during the interview that the police suspected you might have deliberately given them false information earlier?'

Shane replies: 'Yes.'
He also tells the court that he thought he was alone in the family home the day Jodi was killed.

The trial has already heard that Luke told police he was at home when Shane got back from work.

Shane says his mother returned home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.

Alan Turnbull QC reads out a police statement from Luke in which he said he had tea with his mum before leaving the house at about 5.30pm to wait for Jodi.

His mother and Luke both agreed Shane was not in when Luke left the house.


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THE court hears that Mitchell's mother Corinne had been interviewed in connection with attempting to pervert the course of justice during the police investigation but will not face criminal charges.

Alan Turnbull QC asks: 'Are you sure, Mrs Mitchell, that you understand the importance of telling the truth in court?'

'Yes, I do' replies Mrs Mitchell, 45. The witness, who says she does not approve of youngsters carrying knives, admits ordering Mitchell a knife from a catalogue for Christmas 2003. She says he needed it for a camping trip.

Referring to a police interview she gave on April 14 last year - the day Luke was arrested - Mr Turnbull says: 'By the following April you had forgotten about buying it.'

Mrs Mitchell denies lighting a log burner in her back garden the day Jodi died. The jury heard neighbour George Ramage, 37, claim the burner appeared to have been used between 6.30pm and 7.30pm and around 10pm that day.

But Mrs Mitchell says: 'I have no reason to put the burner on.'

She also admits buying her son a parka-style jacket just over a week after Jodi's death.

'Why did Luke need a parka?' Mr Turnbull asks. 'They were in fashion,' she replies.

But the lawyer tells her that several friends, neighbours and teachers had given evidence that her son owned a parka jacket before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell says: 'I wasn't aware he had one.'

MITCHELL'S mother Corinne tells the court: 'My son did not kill Jodi Jones.'

But Alan Turnbull QC accuses her of lying in court to protect her son. He says she had 'abandoned all effort at exercising parental control over Luke'.

And he adds that their relationship had 'changed from that of parent and child to that of accomplice'. Mrs Mitchell denies the lawyer's suggestions.

He continues: 'You lied to police by saying Luke was in the house when you got home from work.'

Mrs Mitchell answers: 'Luke was in the house.' The QC adds that she 'knew perfectly well' that items had been burned in their wood burner the day Jodi was killed and that Luke had lied to the police.

She replies: 'He was telling the truth.'

The advocate depute continues: 'You have to tell the truth whether you think it matters or whether you think it relevant.

'Isn't it nearer the truth that you'd be prepared to lie to cover up to protect him?'

Corinne replies: 'No, it's not true. I've not been lying.'

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:49:PM
a lot of people know the truth and there starting to come forward now.

Shane has never been convicted of lying to the police now that's probably because he didn't

nor  as Corine.

How can you possibly know that what you have said is true? Only Corinne and Shane will know for sure.

EDITED to add:  No Shane was not convicted but he was charged with giving false statements.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:50:PM
all so this story comes from the police and the proscution very reliable.

The jury and judges have believed what has been said from the begining.



what jurys and judges believe is often not what is the truth.

That is true. But everything the Mitchells say is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Don't ask us to doubt the the jury and the judge, and question everything  they have done, then tell us that the Mitchells have not lied. You cannot possibly know they did not lie as fact. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+Are+you+sure+you+understand+the+importance+of...-a0127135382

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POLICE suspected Luke Mitchell's brother of deliberately giving them false information.

Shane Mitchell, 23, initially told detectives he got home from work about 3.40pm on the day Jodi died.

But he later made a second statement and changed the time he returned home to nearly 5pm.

Shane tells the court he gave a number of statements to police in the weeks following Jodi's death.

Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC reads from the statement given on July 3 where Shane tells police he returned home from work at 3.40pm.

Shane says that he cannot remember what he said. He agrees he made a second statement on July 7 but he could not remember exactly how it came about.

He says: 'It is a long time ago and a lot has passed. I believe I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in my first one.'

In his new statement he gave the time he returned home as 'between 4.55pm and 5pm.'

Shane also agrees with the Advocate Depute that he was questioned by police on April 14 last year, the same day his brother was arrested.

Alan Turnbull QC asks: 'Were you told during the interview that the police suspected you might have deliberately given them false information earlier?'

Shane replies: 'Yes.'
He also tells the court that he thought he was alone in the family home the day Jodi was killed.

The trial has already heard that Luke told police he was at home when Shane got back from work.

Shane says his mother returned home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.

Alan Turnbull QC reads out a police statement from Luke in which he said he had tea with his mum before leaving the house at about 5.30pm to wait for Jodi.

His mother and Luke both agreed Shane was not in when Luke left the house.


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THE court hears that Mitchell's mother Corinne had been interviewed in connection with attempting to pervert the course of justice during the police investigation but will not face criminal charges.

Alan Turnbull QC asks: 'Are you sure, Mrs Mitchell, that you understand the importance of telling the truth in court?'

'Yes, I do' replies Mrs Mitchell, 45. The witness, who says she does not approve of youngsters carrying knives, admits ordering Mitchell a knife from a catalogue for Christmas 2003. She says he needed it for a camping trip.

Referring to a police interview she gave on April 14 last year - the day Luke was arrested - Mr Turnbull says: 'By the following April you had forgotten about buying it.'

Mrs Mitchell denies lighting a log burner in her back garden the day Jodi died. The jury heard neighbour George Ramage, 37, claim the burner appeared to have been used between 6.30pm and 7.30pm and around 10pm that day.

But Mrs Mitchell says: 'I have no reason to put the burner on.'

She also admits buying her son a parka-style jacket just over a week after Jodi's death.

'Why did Luke need a parka?' Mr Turnbull asks. 'They were in fashion,' she replies.

But the lawyer tells her that several friends, neighbours and teachers had given evidence that her son owned a parka jacket before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell says: 'I wasn't aware he had one.'

MITCHELL'S mother Corinne tells the court: 'My son did not kill Jodi Jones.'

But Alan Turnbull QC accuses her of lying in court to protect her son. He says she had 'abandoned all effort at exercising parental control over Luke'.

And he adds that their relationship had 'changed from that of parent and child to that of accomplice'. Mrs Mitchell denies the lawyer's suggestions.

He continues: 'You lied to police by saying Luke was in the house when you got home from work.'

Mrs Mitchell answers: 'Luke was in the house.' The QC adds that she 'knew perfectly well' that items had been burned in their wood burner the day Jodi was killed and that Luke had lied to the police.

She replies: 'He was telling the truth.'

The advocate depute continues: 'You have to tell the truth whether you think it matters or whether you think it relevant.

'Isn't it nearer the truth that you'd be prepared to lie to cover up to protect him?'

Corinne replies: 'No, it's not true. I've not been lying.'

i know people who lie to protect a defendedent are charged.

and i know shane and corine were not.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:51:PM
a lot of people know the truth and there starting to come forward now.

Shane has never been convicted of lying to the police now that's probably because he didn't

nor  as Corine.

How can you possibly know that what you have said is true? Only Corinne and Shane will know for sure.

EDITED to add:  No Shane was not convicted but he was charged with giving false statements.

yes and all charges were droped funny that isnt it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 12:54:PM
April 14

Luke Mitchell is arrested and charged in connection with Jodi's murder.

His mother Corinne Mitchell, 45, and brother Shane, 22, are also arrested and charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice. Both will later be told at the trial that the charges against them are dropped.


So nugnug they were indeed charged. Regardless of the charges being dropped they did get charged and they were lucky to have them dropped if you ask me.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20050123/ai_n9628503/

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 12:57:PM
people have charges dropped becouse there is no case against them.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 01:02:PM
people have charges dropped becouse there is no case against them.

Sometimes!

The 45-year-old caravan dealer was charged in April last year with attempting to pervert the course of justice, but while the prosecution at the trial focused on convicting Luke, the case against her was dropped. Whether or not new charges will come has not yet been decided.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 01:06:PM
yes dropped and in 7 years the police have never thought of bringing new ones is that because they know they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 01:15:PM
Lets be clear about the dropping of the charges relating to perverting the course of justice.  These charges would have only complicated the trial and subsequent appeals process.  As you say Janet, they were lucky not to have been proceeded against.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 01:19:PM
yeah right they could of made the conviction stronger if they had managed to convict corine and shane.

the fact is the thought they would not convict them.

and why would they think they would not convict them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 01:22:PM
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Giving evidence at the High Court in Edinburgh today, Ms Mitchell was asked questions relating to statements given to police by both herself and Luke.

After answering "I can’t remember" to a number of questions relating to her son, advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC prosecuting, said to her: "Is it not the truth that you could see no wrong in anything Luke did?"

Ms Mitchell replied: "No, that’s not true."

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Ms Mitchell told the trial that she first learned of Jodi’s death when she got into a police car on June 30, 2003, and that she asked the officer if Luke had been arrested.

Mr Turnbull then asked: "What reason would you have to ask that question?"

Ms Mitchell said: "I don’t remember asking that question."

Mr Turnbull replied: "You don’t want to commit yourself. You want to take refuge in the notion that he can’t remember. But I can tell you that the policeman concerned is in the waiting room ready to give evidence.

"If he tells the court that you asked this question is there any reason to disbelieve him?"

Ms Mitchell replied: "No".

Ms Mitchell told the court that she still maintained that she knew her son well.

Mr Turnbull then reminded her how she had previously told the court she was shocked to learn her son smoked cannabis, carried a knife on a daily basis and took cannabis to school.

He asked her: "Are you beginning to have second thoughts then about knowing your son well?"

"No," she replied.

In a statement given to a police doctor after being checked for injuries following Jodi’s death, Mitchell said his mother had "a quick temper". He said that he also had a quick temper and that he got this from his mother.

"Would this be accurate?" Mr Turnbull asked Ms Mitchell.

"Did Luke have a temper?"

She replied: "No more than most people." She then also agreed that Luke had described himself as having a quick temper with a short fuse.
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/No-Jodi-coverup-says-Mitchell.2594892.jp
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 01:33:PM
John

been looking up this Scott Forbes. Is he the same Scott Forbes that works with mojo now?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 02:14:PM
From what I am reading it took him 18 months after the conviction to come forward with his statement. Does anyone know the answer to why it took him so long to give one? Was he ever interviewed by police prior to giving this statement?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 03:58:PM
I don't know how much of this you are aware of Janet but I have had several conversations with Scott Forbes a few months back when I was able to furnish him and Mitchell's new legal team with some information relating to other suspects in the case.

Scott went into a lot of detail about his involvement with the case and Mark Kane in particular. Kane was a recovering drug addict on a methadone programme and studying at Newbattle Abbey College in Dalkeith.  According to Forbes, Kane had written a college essay about killing a girl in the woods - but a lecturer had dismissed that as untrue, the appeal court heard.

I think it is only fair to point out that Scott categorically denies that there was any plan to sell the story to the newspapers for £50k.  I personally have no reason to disbelieve him.

Scott told me that he took Kane personally to the police station the morning after the murder when he showed up dishevelled and with scratches on his face. Kane has never been able to account for the marks.  Scott also told me that he telephoned the police on several occasions thereafter regarding the case and Kane's possible involvement.

It seems that the police were slow to react to this information and initially failed to trace Kane. They did however manage to secure CCTV footage from a shop some distance away from the crime-scene which showed Kane making a purchase. It seems that this evidence was enough to satisfy the police that Kane was nowhere near the crime-scene when the murder occurred.

Crown Advocate, John Beckett, later told the appeal judges scrapings from Jodi's fingernails had been examined by forensic scientists and the only DNA match was Jodi's herself.

Evening News article (http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Mitchell39s-lawyers-given-four-weeks.3807631.jp)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 04:09:PM
Thanks for clearing this matter up John.

It is odd that since Jodi allegedly put up a fight that the only DNA under her nails is her own. Saying that she could have been over powered quite quickly and also may have been trying to protect herself which would have got her injuries too the poor love.

I edited to add more
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 04:11:PM
Absolutely no problem, if you want to find out any other information on any of the players involved just ask as I have a comprehensive database at my disposal.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 04:13:PM
Thanks John
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 04:19:PM
Thanks for clearing this matter up John.

It is odd that since Jodi allegedly put up a fight that the only DNA under her nails is her own. Saying that she could have been over powered quite quickly and also may have been trying to protect herself which would have got her injuries too the poor love.

I edited to add more

thae pathologists said she put up a fight.


fought for her life thats what they said.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 17, 2011, 04:28:PM
Thanks for clearing this matter up John.

It is odd that since Jodi allegedly put up a fight that the only DNA under her nails is her own. Saying that she could have been over powered quite quickly and also may have been trying to protect herself which would have got her injuries too the poor love.

I edited to add more

thae pathologists said she put up a fight.


fought for her life thats what they said.

no one is disputing that fact nugnug. She just could not have scratched anyone since the only DNA under her nails was her own.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2011, 04:31:PM
true were ever mark kane got those scratches it wasn't from her.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 03:03:PM
I have read on the main Luke Mitchell forum Wrongly Accused Person, that there is an accusation going around that someone in the Jones family assaulted his mother and stabbed her accidently. And that he had been charged?

Where does this accusation come from?
Where is the proof of this?
If there is no proof then why is this being said?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 03:12:PM
I have read on the main Luke Mitchell forum Wrongly Accused Person, that there is an accusation going around that someone in the Jones family assaulted his mother and stabbed her accidently. And that he had been charged?

Where does this accusation come from?
Where is the proof of this?
If there is no proof then why is this being said?

This relates to a comment made by an anonymous poster on the Daily Record site that Judy's son Joseph apparently stabbed her.  As usual there is no proof of any of this...so much for WAP being a credible forum then.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 03:24:PM
well if its not credible no doubt the family will sue.

if theirs absolutely no evidence its true that is.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 04:01:PM
well if its not credible no doubt the family will sue.

if theirs absolutely no evidence its true that is.

Do you have any evidence it is actually true?
And if not why is it allowed to be on your forum, being discussed as if it is?

As John says there is meant to be a no proof no print policy on wrongly accused person site but that does not seem to be true.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 04:03:PM
well if its not credible no doubt the family will sue.

if theirs absolutely no evidence its true that is.


That statement is actually disgusting. It sounds like anything about the Jones family will be said and if they do not sue then you are taking it as proof.

This poor family have suffered enough
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 04:05:PM
This Sandra Lean you mention nugnug, is that the same Sandra Lean who advocates for Luke Mitchell after originally admitting that she thought he was guilty? 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 04:20:PM
well if its not credible no doubt the family will sue.

if theirs absolutely no evidence its true that is.


That statement is actually disgusting. It sounds like anything about the Jones family will be said and if they do not sue then you are taking it as proof.

This poor family have suffered enough

no its statement of fact if they sued a lot of things would be cleared up once and for all.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 04:25:PM
This Sandra Lean you mention nugnug, is that the same Sandra Lean who advocates for Luke Mitchell after originally admitting that she thought he was guilty?


i think you know well who sandra is you said know about everyone involved in the case now you ether do or you don't.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 04:27:PM
This Sandra Lean you mention nugnug, is that the same Sandra Lean who advocates for Luke Mitchell after originally admitting that she thought he was guilty?


i think you know well who sandra you said know about everyone involved in the case now you ether do or you don't.

Yes I'm afraid I know all about her distasteful history with Mr WAP and the disgraceful way they treated Simon Hall's wife. Quite an eye opener really but then you know all this too Nuggy as I have told you previously.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 04:36:PM
well if its not credible no doubt the family will sue.

if theirs absolutely no evidence its true that is.


That statement is actually disgusting. It sounds like anything about the Jones family will be said and if they do not sue then you are taking it as proof.

This poor family have suffered enough

no its statement of fact if they sued a lot of things would be cleared up once and for all.

How is it a statement of fact? It is not fact. It is a guess and there is no proof.

Oh so outrageous things can be said by people on Wrongly Accused Person and elsewhere in the hope that the Jones family will sue? How sick is that?

Why would they need to sue anyway? As far as they are concerned the guilty person is in prison and all that is being said is sheer speculation anyway.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 04:40:PM
well if its not credible no doubt the family will sue.

if theirs absolutely no evidence its true that is.


That statement is actually disgusting. It sounds like anything about the Jones family will be said and if they do not sue then you are taking it as proof.

This poor family have suffered enough

no its statement of fact if they sued a lot of things would be cleared up once and for all.

How is it a statement of fact? It is not fact. It is a guess and there is no proof.

Oh so outrageous things can be said by people on Wrongly Accused Person and elsewhere in the hope that the Jones family will sue? How sick is that?

Why would they need to sue anyway? As far as they are concerned the guilty person is in prison and all that is being said is sheer speculation anyway.

are you one of theses people who goes around looking at forums just to be disgusted by them.

you dont have to look

your only boosting there ratings by looking you know.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 04:40:PM
well if its not credible no doubt the family will sue.

if theirs absolutely no evidence its true that is.


That statement is actually disgusting. It sounds like anything about the Jones family will be said and if they do not sue then you are taking it as proof.

This poor family have suffered enough

no its statement of fact if they sued a lot of things would be cleared up once and for all.

How is it a statement of fact? It is not fact. It is a guess and there is no proof.

Oh so outrageous things can be said by people on Wrongly Accused Person and elsewhere in the hope that the Jones family will sue? How sick is that?

Why would they need to sue anyway? As far as they are concerned the guilty person is in prison and all that is being said is sheer speculation anyway.

There wouldn't be any point in suing Billy liar anyway since he lives with mom and dad in their Lerwick council house.  Sandra Lean isn't much better.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 04:43:PM
so first its adopted people you dont like now its people who live in councel houses

who do you like john.

sueing isnt about money its about protecting your good name.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 04:45:PM

 
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are you one of theses people who goes around looking at forums just to be disgusted by them.

you dont have to look
your only boosting there ratings by looking you know.
[/quote]

I am boosting whose ratings?

I can look and post were I want to thank you very much.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 04:46:PM
You never could get anything right missy could you??   ;)

I have no problem with either so stop trying to make waves again....
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 04:47:PM
so first its adopted people you dont like now its people who live in councel houses

who do you like john.

sueing isnt about money its about protecting your good name.


whose good name are we talking about here?


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 04:48:PM
There is absolutely nothing happening on WAP now except Billy Middleton speaking to himself so Nuggy has to come here for entertainment.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 04:49:PM
You never could get anything right missy could you??   ;)

I have no problem with either so stop trying to make waves again....

so if you have no problem with it why keep mentioning it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 05:19:PM
nugnug

you never answered my question. Why would the Jones family need to sue people on a forum?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 05:27:PM
nugnug

you never answered my question. Why would the Jones family need to sue people on a forum?

well that's obvious to quash once and for all scurles allegations.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 05:36:PM
nugnug

you never answered my question. Why would the Jones family need to sue people on a forum?

well that's obvious to quash once and for all scurles allegations.

but then you have to think about who it is who is making these scurrilous accusations and who is repeating them. And about their intentions. Does not look good for those making these accusations or allowing them to be made.

Don't you think this family has had enough to deal with, with their daughter being so brutally murdered without The Mitchell support making such scurrilous accusations in the first place?

It is not the only scurrilous accusation I have read about which has been directed at the Jones family on the Mitchell support site either.

Is this really the way to fight an alleged injustice by blaming the victims family or anyone else for being involved in this murder or involved in covering up for someone?

I think not.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 05:39:PM
well we shall she shan't we.

it wasn't his supporter who said the thing about the stabbing it was a guy on the daily record.

i don't run his campaign i just post what i think on forums

i dident even start this i just posted on it..

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 05:44:PM
well we shall she shan't we.

it wasnt his supporter who said the thing about the stabbing it was a guy on the daily record.

His support site and supporters including yourself I may add, have mentioned it on there and allowed it to be spoken of and discussed it extensively including accusing family members of being involved in this murder one way or another.

We shall see shan't we you say? Odd thing to say isn't it?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 05:49:PM
well ether you discuss theor you dont case that means discussing everything.

like members of the extended family being at the crime scene at the crime is supposed to have happened
but hearing nothing and seeing nothing and not being able to say what they were doing there. and lying about the time they were there.

or the sisters boyfriends sperm being on the victims bra.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 05:53:PM
well we shall she shan't we.

it wasn't his supporter who said the thing about the stabbing it was a guy on the daily record.

i don't run his campaign i just post what i think on forums

i dident even start this i just posted on it..

 I wonder who an anon poster on the Daily Record could be?
I have noticed you post what you think on the Mitchell forum.
You may not have started it but you are one of the people who keep talking about it just as if you think you know the facts and its clear you don't.

You are speculating and there is no room for speculation. Only facts and the fact is Luke Mitchell was convicted of this murder. Not any one in the Jones family.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 05:56:PM
only by luck i would say.

yes he was convicted as was steven kisko as was the birgmham 6 and the guilford for and simon hall
and a lot of other people need i go on.

oh as was john lamberton.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 05:57:PM
well ether you discuss theor you dont case that means discussing everything.

like members of the extended family being at the crime scene at the crime is supposed to have happened
but hearing nothing and seeing nothing and not being able to say what they were doing there. and lying about the time they were there.

or the sisters boyfriends sperm being on the victims bra.

There is discussing theories and then there is slandering people.

Borrowed tee shirt on victim, donor of semen found on tee shirt and bra lived with the owner of the tee shirt. Cops thought transference although amateur sleuths were quite dubious about innocent transfer.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:00:PM
only by luck i would say.

yes he was convicted as was steven kisko as was the birgmham 6 and the guilford for and simon hall
and a lot of other people need i go on.

oh as was john lamberton.

All of the people freed from prison all had hard evidence that they were innocent.
All I see in the Mitchell case is the same ole same arguements being regurgitated over and over again.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 06:03:PM
not all of the Simon hall hasn't been.

 and john certainly hasn't been cleared.

thats what luke mitchells supporters its up to you chose to believe or not the sight wasn't put up there just to convince you.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:04:PM
not all of the simon hall hasnt been.

 and john certainly hasn't been cleared.

We are not discussing either of those cases. I know nothing of them.

So tell us who you think it is who murdered Jodi Jones if it is not Luke Mitchell as you claim?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 06:07:PM
not all of the simon hall hasnt been.

 and john certainly hasn't been cleared.

We are not discussing either of those cases. I know nothing of them.

So tell us who you think it is who murdered Jodi Jones if it is not Luke Mitchell as you claim?

ive got fair idea but i cant just declare someone guilty murder when they haven't had a trial.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:08:PM
not all of the Simon hall hasn't been.

 and john certainly hasn't been cleared.

thats what luke mitchells supporters its up to you chose to believe or not the sight wasn't put up there just to convince you.

Most of that makes no sense.

Why was the site put up then? It is pointless if it is to talk to the converted.
Surely a site for someone allegedly wrongly convicted is to get the doubters to look at the case?
Its failing big time because once I started reading it all I felt as if I was in the twilight zone.
I know I am not the only person to think like this.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:10:PM
not all of the simon hall hasnt been.

 and john certainly hasn't been cleared.

We are not discussing either of those cases. I know nothing of them.

So tell us who you think it is who murdered Jodi Jones if it is not Luke Mitchell as you claim?

ive got fair idea but i cant just declare someone guilty murder when they haven't had a trial.

no but you will hint about it very strongly I have read.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 06:12:PM
not all of the Simon hall hasn't been.

 and john certainly hasn't been cleared.

thats what luke mitchells supporters its up to you chose to believe or not the sight wasn't put up there just to convince you.

Most of that makes no sense.

first you said you followed the forum fo a long time then you said you had only just looked at the sight make your mind up.

if your not convinced nothing anyone can do about that.


Why was the site put up then? It is pointless if it is to talk to the converted.
Surely a site for someone allegedly wrongly convicted is to get the doubters to look at the case?
Its failing big time because once I started reading it all I felt as if I was in the twilight zone.
I know I am not the only person to think like this.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 06:15:PM
well as said if your not convinced it wasn't put up just for you

 i cant expect everyone to be convinced.

i dont think any websites ever done that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:28:PM
well as said if your not convinced it wasn't put up just for you

 i cant expect everyone to be convinced.

i dont think any websites ever done that.

Nice attitude to have towards people who have taken time to look at the case and site.!!! Not everyone will agree with your conclusions.

Who was the site put up for then? And why?

You could not convince many of anything and neither does the site. I have followed it for a while and people come and go so quickly. Probably because of the line the so called debate goes down.

I see nothing that would change my mind on the verdict. I do know there was some problems with the investigation but so far I believe the verdict to be the correct one.





Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 06:30:PM
i thought you said youve only looked just at it.

i dident put the sight up
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:31:PM
i thought you said youve only just at it.

what are you on about now?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 06:34:PM
well first you said you had only just looke at it now you say you have followed it for a long time now make your mind up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:35:PM
well first you said you had only just at it now you say you have followed it for a long time now make your mind up.

First at what? What are you trying to say here?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 06:42:PM
i suggest you start reading and remembering what you have posted before.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:52:PM
I remember what I posted. I just dont understand your comment.  ???

what was I first at?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 06:54:PM
Are you doing this on purpose to get comments moved out of the way?
Looks like it to me.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 07:22:PM
At age 14:

Luke Mitchell was having sex with different partners.

He was smoking cannabis and selling it.

His English book, shown to the court, had the numbers 666 and "Satan lives" on the cover.

"I have tasted the devil's green blood" was also scrawled on the back.

His English book, shown to the court, had the numbers 666 and "Satan lives" on the cover.

"I have tasted the devil's green blood" was also scrawled on the back.

Several other jotters were shown which contained slogans such as: "Evil is the way", "Depression is only a stage in my life, so f*** off and stay out my mind" and "the finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came" - a quotation from late Nirvana singer Cobain.

The handwritten essay, questioning the existence of God, had been submitted in January 2003 in place of a short story, which had been requested.

The essay contained passages such as: "If you ask me, god is just a futile excuse at most for a bunch of fools to go around annoying others who want nothing to do with him. "Are these people insane?"

It also read "People like you need Satanic people like me to keep the balance" and "Once you shake hands with the devil you then have truly experienced life".

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-334963/Killer-Mitchell-ordinary-teenager.html#ixzz1MjIStCSu

There are many articles on this link

http://explore.dailymail.co.uk/people/mitchell_luke
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 07:32:PM
well half the country has smoked canabis at some time other it dosent make them killers.

a young lad writting and english esay to shock his teacher make him loads of kids write esays like that

not unknown for teenagers to have more than one sexual partner.
 dosent make them killers.

how many important people cheat on there wives dosent make them killers,

every killer leaves a trace luke mitchell left none,

but others did.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 07:37:PM
well half the country has smoked canabis at some time other it dosent make them killers.

a young lad writting and english esay to shock his teacher make him loads of kids write esays like that

not unknown for teenagers to have more than one sexual partner.

 dosent make them killers.

how many important people cheat on there wives dosent make them killers,

every killer leaves a trace luke mitchell left none,



but others did.


It might not be unknown for teenagers to have more than one partner but this boy was a child. He was 14 years old. Most teenagers would think they were lucky to have one partner.

Not all killers leave a trace. That's why there are unsolved cases.

Why even mention someone cheating on their wife?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 07:40:PM
we do think theres so many teenage pregnancy becouse some boys  and girls get up to things before there legally old enough.

its not right but it happens it dont make them murders.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 07:44:PM
we do think theres so many teenage pregnancy becouse some boys  and girls get up to things before there legally old enough.

its not right but it happens it dont make them murders.

most boys and girls get up to things with one partner. Especially at a young age.

If the several sexual partners was the only thing then it would only be his morals under question but its not only that.

What I cannot get my head around is how the Mitchell camp states constantly that he was only a child when arrested and questioned. Trying to portray this image of a child. When in reality he was allowed to act like an adult and did indeed live mostly like an adult.
Its all very contradictory.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 07:46:PM
he was only doing what other boys his age would of done if they had the chance,
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 07:57:PM
Absolutely not, Mitchell was clearly out of control. Mind you it isn't surprising given his mothers history and the breakdown in her marriage.  What was it she said on WAP, Luke was like the man in the house.  It would appear that Corinne gave him far too much rope and he lapped it up.

What other 14 year old child would be allowed by their parents to buy and sell large quantities of cannabis which was weighed and packaged in their bedroom?

What other 14 year old child would have sexual intercourse regularly with one girl while carrying on a relationship with at least two others?

What other 14 year old child would threaten a girl with a knife to her throat?

Do you know any other 14 year olds who store large bottles of urine in their bedroom?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 07:59:PM
he was only doing what other boys his age would of done if they had the chance,

That's right excuse away everything Luke Mitchell ever did that was questionable to say the least.

He was not by any stretch of the imagination a normal teenage boy.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 08:02:PM
well your a convicted conman and your brother a convicted sex offender john what was your mum doing wrong.

storing bottles of piss is an illness some develop when they have a traumatic experience like seeing. there girlfriends dead body.

ive met fair few people who who have had that illness

a fair few ex soldiers have it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 08:04:PM
he was only doing what other boys his age would of done if they had the chance,

That's right excuse away everything Luke Mitchell ever did that was questionable to say the least.

He was not by any stretch of the imagination a normal teenage boy.

you seem to be takeing a rather unhealthy interest in young people having sex
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 08:07:PM
well your a convicted conman and your brother a convicted sex offender john what was your mum doing wrong.

storing bottles of piss is an illness some develop when they have a traumatic experience like finding there girlfriends dead body.

ive met fair few people who who have had that illness

a fair few ex soldiers have it.

tut tut nugnug resorting to insults again.
Quote
It was further disclosed that more than 20 bottles of urine were lying around in the squalor of Mitchell’s bedroom. During a previous search, nine months earlier, police had also found more than 20 bottles of urine.

This actually suggests that two sets of urine. One set in an earlier search of the house and 9 months later another 20 bottles.
If this is the case why did his mother not seek help for him when the first 20 bottles were found?
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Jodi-trial-hears-of-knife.2588863.jp

EDIT: I have re read and re read the wording of the article and it may be that there was only one set of 20 bottles of urine bottles. I am sure if that is the case someone will correct it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 08:10:PM
he was only doing what other boys his age would of done if they had the chance,

That's right excuse away everything Luke Mitchell ever did that was questionable to say the least.

He was not by any stretch of the imagination a normal teenage boy.


you seem to be takeing a rather unhealthy interest in young people having sex


is that the best retort you can manage? You just do not like anyone pointing out that Mitchell did various things.

I think the unhealthy part in this is how you seem to be very emotionally involved with this when you said you don't even know Mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on May 18, 2011, 08:13:PM
well your a convicted conman and your brother a convicted sex offender john what was your mum doing wrong.

storing bottles of piss is an illness some develop when they have a traumatic experience like finding there girlfriends dead body.

ive met fair few people who who have had that illness

a fair few ex soldiers have it.

tut tut nugnug resorting to insults again.
Quote
It was further disclosed that more than 20 bottles of urine were lying around in the squalor of Mitchell’s bedroom. During a previous search, nine months earlier, police had also found more than 20 bottles of urine.

This actually suggests that two sets of urine. One set in an earlier search of the house and 9 months later another 20 bottles.
If this is the case why did his mother not seek help for him when the first 20 bottles were found?
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Jodi-trial-hears-of-knife.2588863.jp
Sounds like a really good mother. Did she not clean her house. I think I would have found ") bottles of piss in my kids room. Perhaps she was flogging it to the winos
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 08:18:PM
Cliff

It must have been totally minging.

http://news.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurder/Urine-under-bed-paints-picture.4092879.jp

Quote
IT was the strong smell of ammonia which first struck detectives when they walked into Luke Mitchell's bedroom.

If that initially puzzled them, then their next discovery would startle even the most hardened investigators.

There lying under the teenager's bed were bottle after bottle of a cloudy liquid, looking suspiciously like urine.

More bottles were hidden away in drawers, some wrapped up in socks. Soon there were 20 bottles lying in front of the bewildered detectives. Lab tests would later show they were the 15-year-old's own urine.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 08:18:PM
well your a convicted conman and your brother a convicted sex offender john what was your mum doing wrong.

storing bottles of piss is an illness some develop when they have a traumatic experience like finding there girlfriends dead body.

ive met fair few people who who have had that illness

a fair few ex soldiers have it.

tut tut nugnug resorting to insults again.
Quote
It was further disclosed that more than 20 bottles of urine were lying around in the squalor of Mitchell’s bedroom. During a previous search, nine months earlier, police had also found more than 20 bottles of urine.

This actually suggests that two sets of urine. One set in an earlier search of the house and 9 months later another 20 bottles.
If this is the case why did his mother not seek help for him when the first 20 bottles were found?
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Jodi-trial-hears-of-knife.2588863.jp

EDIT: I have re read and re read the wording of the article and it may be that there was only one set of 20 bottles of urine bottles. I am sure if that is the case someone will correct it.

resorting to insults ironic or what if people cant take it they shouldent dish it out.

as far as johns concerned im just stateing a fact.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 08:22:PM
No nugnug you are not stating a fact about John or anyone else not involved in the case. You are being vindictive just to divert attention away from what is being said about Mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 08:26:PM
SO if you dint know anyone in the case how come your getting so emotional about it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 08:31:PM
SO if you dint know anyone in the case how come your getting so emotional about it.

I am not being emotional about anything. I am discussing the case, but it seems that you are the only one getting her knickers in a knot over anything bad said about Mr Mitchell.

You are the one coming out with outrageous and incoherent statements on here. And you are also attacking people because they are not agreeing with you. Thats what I call getting emotional.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 08:37:PM
read the beginning of the thread it wasn't me who started all the personal stuff

I'm the one asked to justify every opinion i hold on the case.

and your the one who keeps saying facts you dont like are outrageous
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 08:47:PM
read the beginning of the thread it wasn't me who started all the personal stuff

I'm the one asked to justify every opinion i hold on the case.

and your the one who keeps saying facts you dont like are outrageous

the "facts" as you call the claims about members of the Jones family and others for that matter are not facts at all. That is what I find outrageous. All there is, is total speculation about who else could have, might have or maybe have murdered Jodi Jones.

The fact is that these people have not been charged and convicted. Luke Mitchell has and it is totally outrageous to blame the victims family of murder or covering a murder up, or the multitude of other things that have been said about this family. They have suffered enough.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 08:50:PM
the McCanns have been accused of exactly the same thing on this forum i don't see you jumping up in outrage about it.

what makes this family so different.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 09:05:PM
the McCanns have been accused of exactly the same thing on this forum i don't see you jumping up in outrage about it.

why makes this family so different.

The McCanns case is nothing like this one.

The McCann's are pretty adept at defending themselves in a coherent and sensible manner.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 09:12:PM
read the beginning of the thread it wasn't me who started all the personal stuff

I'm the one asked to justify every opinion i hold on the case.

and your the one who keeps saying facts you dont like are outrageous

the "facts" as you call the claims about members of the Jones family and others for that matter are not facts at all. That is what I find outrageous. All there is, is total speculation about who else could have, might have or maybe have murdered Jodi Jones.

The fact is that these people have not been charged and convicted. Luke Mitchell has and it is totally outrageous to blame the victims family of murder or covering a murder up, or the multitude of other things that have been said about this family. They have suffered enough.

half the stuff being said about the family was already mentioned in the trial so sorry it is fact.

yes there is a lot of speculation thats what happens on public forums.

just like its happening with the bamber case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 09:16:PM
The sad fact is that Mitchell will never be cleared of this horrendous crime and the only way he has any hope is to blame someone else.  Problem is that everyone else has an alibi while poor old Lukey doesn't.

I will also hazard a guess and say that the SCCRC will not make a referral in this case following the refusal in his Cadder Appeal so looks like another 13 years for boyo!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 09:20:PM
no they dont john ferris and gordon dickie dont  david dickie dont james falconer dont joseph jones dont.

no albis whatsoever.

steven kelly has one but its starting to look shaky.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 09:23:PM
read the beginning of the thread it wasn't me who started all the personal stuff

I'm the one asked to justify every opinion i hold on the case.

and your the one who keeps saying facts you dont like are outrageous

the "facts" as you call the claims about members of the Jones family and others for that matter are not facts at all. That is what I find outrageous. All there is, is total speculation about who else could have, might have or maybe have murdered Jodi Jones.

The fact is that these people have not been charged and convicted. Luke Mitchell has and it is totally outrageous to blame the victims family of murder or covering a murder up, or the multitude of other things that have been said about this family. They have suffered enough.

half the stuff being said about the family was already mentioned in the trial so sorry it is fact.

yes there is a lot of speculation thats what happens on public forums.

just like its happening with the bamber case.

I have never seen any of the "facts" about the Jones family in the newspaper. Even if half of it was mentioned in court where did the other half come from? And obviously whatever was heard in court was dismissed out of hand.

I am not interested in speculation in any of these cases and neither are the courts.

There is speculation and then there is trying to re write history the way you would prefer it. 

Speculation will get no one anywhere fast. In fact I would say it was a hinderance.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 09:27:PM
you must be a bit interested or you wouldn't bother to read it

im afraid is not going to stop anytime soon.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 09:29:PM
no they dont john ferris and gordon dickie dont  david dickie dont james falconer dont joseph jones dont.

no albis whatsoever.

steven kelly has one but its starting to look shaky.


Mr Findlay told the appeal court that "as a result of investigations" he was no longer pursuing an interest in Mr Falconer.
http://news.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurder/Mitchell-legal-team-drops-interest.3776020.jp

Mark Kane as you stated yourself yesterday could not have been scratched by Jodi so he is ruled out.
Steven Kelly's alibi shaky? He was with Janine and his father,that has been accepted.
Joseph Jones was at home. Also accepted.
And whatever the others said was also accepted too.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 09:31:PM
you must be a bit interested or you wouldn't bother to read it

im afraid is not going to stop anytime soon.

I am sure it is not going to stop anytime soon. Speculation will never be fact and causes more damage so go ahead speculate all you like. It does nothing for Luke Mitchell's chances but what the hell
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 09:37:PM
well we shall see shant we.

as you think hes guilty why would you care about his chances.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 09:41:PM
well we shall see shant we.

as you think hes guilty why would you care about his chances.

yes we shall see.

I don't particularly care about his chances. I do care about what is being said publicly about a grieving family due to speculation on people who have never been charged with anything to do with this murder.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 09:42:PM
joseph jones was never interviewed.

james falconer john ferris gordon dickie and david dickie were at the murder scene by there own admission

falconer dident come forward for 3 years dispite appeals by the police for the owners of the condom to come forward.

ferris and dickie did not come for a week dispite appeals for them to do so none have any albi

mark kane im convinced has nothing to do with this.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 09:48:PM
joseph jones was never interviewed.

james falconer john ferris gordon dickie and david dickie were at the murder scene by there own admission

falconer dident come forward for 3 years dispite appeals by the police for the owners of the condom to come forward.

ferris and dickie did not come for a week dispite appeals for them to do so none have any albi

mark kane im convinced has nothing to do with this.

Mr Findlay told the appeal court that "as a result of investigations" he was no longer pursuing an interest in Mr Falconer.
http://news.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurder/Mitchell-legal-team-drops-interest.3776020.jp

Don't you mean these people where near the murder scene around the time of the murder, not at it? There is a difference. None of them have admitted to seeing anything to do with a murder have they?

How do you know who was not spoken to by the police?
where do you get your information from?


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 09:53:PM
Joesph was not spoken to by the police that's why nothing he said has ever been mentioned because he wasn't interviewed.

so he dident say anything becouse he wasnt asked.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 09:56:PM
Joesph was not spoken to by the police that's why nothing he said has ever been mentioned because he wasn't interviewed.

so he dident say anything becouse he wasnt asked.

How do you know for 100% certainty that he was not spoken to by the police? You cannot have seen all the police statements made to know this.

 Did you go to the trial?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:01:PM
if he was no doubt what he said would have been mentioned.

we do you think everyone who says something you don't like has to explain themselves

what everyone else said has been mentioned.

no i never went anywhere near the trial


did you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 10:06:PM
if he was no doubt what he said would have been mentioned.

we do you think everyone who says something you don't like has to explain themselves

what everyone else said has been mentioned.

It would not have been mentioned if he had been ruled out. Considering what had just happened to this family the police would not want to upset them any more than they had to.

You are the only Luke Mitchell supporter here, why is that? Are you the Luke Mitchell Spokesperson?
It is nothing to do with not liking what you are saying. Do you expect me just to take your word on the evidence? You have not seen all the police statements. You are making a claim that you cannot be one hundred per cent certain of, yet I have to believe what you tell me?

If there was proof I could see for myself then I would believe it but there is not proof.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 10:09:PM
No I did not go to the trial. Just like you I have followed this case since it happened.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:11:PM
i really dont care what you believe

believe what ever you like i believe someting else

and im going to say what believe end of

im just a poster on a forumfor christ sake im  not spokes person for anybody.

im just saying what i think.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:16:PM
and im not the only supporter on here im just one who has nothing better to do than argue with you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 10:21:PM
i really dont care what you believe

believe what ever you like i believe someting else

and im going to say what believe end of

im just a poster on a forumfor christ sake im  not spokes person for anybody.

im just saying what i think.

I am being left with no option but to believe what I like because if all you are saying to me is what you believe then that is not evidence.

I have asked you if you have seen the police statements and you cannot answer, so you get ratty and start using blasphemy which I find offensive.

Why are you getting yourself in such a state? Perhaps you should go and chill out, have a bath and get to bed with a good book.

So you believe he is innocent and I believe he is guilty. Is there any need to carry on our conversation?



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:25:PM
lets face it you would face it you would believe it what ever i said

i cant make people belive what i believe.


ive spent most of my life saying things other people found offensive

and im sorry im to old to change now.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 10:28:PM
lets face it you would face it you would believe it what ever i said

i cant make people belive what i believe.

No you cannot but you should not promote your opinon and speculation as fact. You have not seen all the police statements so cannot know for sure who was spoken to or who said what in them.

You believe what you believe and I will believe what I believe.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:40:PM

heres some more speculation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6640000/newsid_6640100?redirect=6640115.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1

from frontline scotland
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:43:PM
http://roughjusticetv.co.uk/rjlukefilm.htm

heres some more from peter hill and ray brook.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:46:PM
and some more.

http://roughjusticetv.co.uk/scotsjusticefilm.htm
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 10:46:PM
I have watched it before.

BBC axes 'biased' Mitchell documentary

Published Date: 01 April 2007
By RICHARD ELIAS
THE BBC was forced to scrap a documentary about murderer Luke Mitchell at the last minute after bosses ruled it was "biased", it was claimed yesterday.
According to BBC insiders, TV chiefs were angry when they watched the programme, claiming it was "anti-police" and "blatant propaganda" for the teenage killer.

The decision to pull the half-hour show, titled Luke Mitchell; The Devil's Own?, came last Tuesday, the day before it was due to be broadcast.

Mitchell was convicted of killing his girlfriend Jodi Jones on a quiet lane in Dalkeith, Midlothian, in 2003.

He has always protested his innocence, a view vehemently supported by his mother, Corinne, who provided him with an alibi during his 2004 trial at the High Court in Edinburgh. Mitchell has appealed his conviction and the programme was said to have set out to examine whether or not he could have been a victim of a miscarriage of justice.

But when TV bosses viewed the documentary, made by the flagship Frontline Scotland team, they were appalled and claimed interviews with his mother made Mitchell out to be "a saint". They said it was unfairly critical of the investigating officers and added that the programme lacked impartiality and was unbroadcastable in its current state.

One source said: "They hit the roof. It was not impartial enough and did not given enough right of reply to those it was criticising. It made the mistake of assuming that because he has lodged an appeal that he must be innocent. The truth is that almost every convicted murderer tries to chance their arm by lodging an appeal."

A BBC spokesman said it was not unusual to reschedule programmes and despite the setback, they expected the documentary to be broadcast soon.

http://news.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurder/BBC-axes-biased-Mitchell-documentary.3359191.jp
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:50:PM
yes but they didn't axe it went out.

i suggest people watch it and see weather its biased or not.

that article is slightly in accurate to say the least.

it was rescheduled not axed
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 18, 2011, 10:54:PM
yes it went out a few weeks after it was axed. I meant to add that.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 10:56:PM
This is what Corinne Mitchell says about the afternoon of the murder. Remember that Corinne arrived home at 5.15pm, the exact time when Jodi was allegedly murdered.



Quote from: Corinne Mitchell
When I got home I went directly to the kitchen where I was confronted by Luke brandishing the broccoli! He asked if it should be that colour (it was turning yellowy) and I said no......bin the broccoli! He decided on beans instead...as it was a Monday and I do my weekly shop on a Tuesday there wasn't any other fresh vegetables left.

Both Luke and I served up. I told Luke to shout Shane down as he was upstairs. Shane came down, complained to Luke he had burnt the pie, I told him it could be scraped off, it wasn't that bad. Shane returned upstairs armed with his dinner. Luke ate his in front of the TV and I decided to have mine on the patio as I had been cooped up in my office all day and not seen any sun.

After eating dinner I was preparing to do the dishes when Luke came into the kitchen and said that that was him off. I joked with him and said.....don't tell me ...your seeing Jodi....as by this time Jodi had become more favourable than the cadets. I also suggested to him that he introduced his clothes to the washing machine as he had worn them for a couple of days. I got the usual teenage response......Och mum!.....and "this is Jodi’s favourite t-shirt" I replied it wouldn't be much longer if it didn't get washed and with that I got another "Och".....I'm off, see you later!

Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating! I had stopped smoking, due to pressure from Shane, and had discovered that tracking and smoking don't go as it involves a lot of running, but by this time I was having the odd sneaky one due to pressure at work. This is our busiest time. Every time I went to "light up" Shane appeared and nearly caught me. Then just as I was safe in the knowledge that Shane was engrossed in his computer......Lit up fag.......Luke comes in.......I never got a sneaky cig that night. The rest is on the time~line. Hope this helps.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg2352/?topicseen#msg2352)


Remember, Shane told the trial that he never saw Luke that afternoon!   ::)

Makes you wonder eh??


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 10:59:PM
no it dont make me wonder at all lol.

i do suspect you have taken that post and edited it john.

like you seem to do with all the posts you take from other forums.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 11:03:PM
if your going to posts from other forums post a link to those forums otherwise you will keep being acused of that.

http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 11:04:PM
I did and as you can see it wasn't edited so I will await your apology!  ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 11:08:PM
oh sory i dident see it have i got poor eyesight or is because it wasn't there before lol.

oh ill give you the benefit of the doubt
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 11:17:PM
This is what Corinne Mitchell says about the afternoon of the murder. Remember that Corinne arrived home at 5.15pm, the exact time when Jodi was allegedly murdered.



Quote from: Corinne Mitchell
When I got home I went directly to the kitchen where I was confronted by Luke brandishing the broccoli! He asked if it should be that colour (it was turning yellowy) and I said no......bin the broccoli! He decided on beans instead...as it was a Monday and I do my weekly shop on a Tuesday there wasn't any other fresh vegetables left.


so you must wonder why charges of perjury and lying to the police were not pursued then and why corine and shane mitchell have never been convicted of crime.

could it becouse if they were lukes conviction would of been undone there and then.

Both Luke and I served up. I told Luke to shout Shane down as he was upstairs. Shane came down, complained to Luke he had burnt the pie, I told him it could be scraped off, it wasn't that bad. Shane returned upstairs armed with his dinner. Luke ate his in front of the TV and I decided to have mine on the patio as I had been cooped up in my office all day and not seen any sun.

After eating dinner I was preparing to do the dishes when Luke came into the kitchen and said that that was him off. I joked with him and said.....don't tell me ...your seeing Jodi....as by this time Jodi had become more favourable than the cadets. I also suggested to him that he introduced his clothes to the washing machine as he had worn them for a couple of days. I got the usual teenage response......Och mum!.....and "this is Jodi’s favourite t-shirt" I replied it wouldn't be much longer if it didn't get washed and with that I got another "Och".....I'm off, see you later!

Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating! I had stopped smoking, due to pressure from Shane, and had discovered that tracking and smoking don't go as it involves a lot of running, but by this time I was having the odd sneaky one due to pressure at work. This is our busiest time. Every time I went to "light up" Shane appeared and nearly caught me. Then just as I was safe in the knowledge that Shane was engrossed in his computer......Lit up fag.......Luke comes in.......I never got a sneaky cig that night. The rest is on the time~line. Hope this helps.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg2352/?topicseen#msg2352)


Remember, Shane told the trial that he never saw Luke that afternoon!   ::)

Makes you wonder eh??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 11:21:PM
makes you wonder why charges of perjury witch would have strengthened lukes conviction were not persued.

is it becouse the police knew if they were charged it would of undone luke mitchells conviction straight away.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 11:35:PM
http://www.berwick-advertiser.co.uk/news/local-headlines/lengthy_ban_for_drink_driver_caught_on_holiday_park_road_1_1576028
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 11:37:PM
makes you wonder why charges of perjury witch would have strengthened lukes conviction were not persued.

is it becouse the police knew if they were charged it would of undone luke mitchells conviction straight away.

Not in the least, I can see them being reinstated just after the SCCRC refuse to make any referral.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 11:44:PM
well we will have to see about that.

corine dosent sonud scared.

of course this would efectivly mean giving luke mitchell 2 retrials.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 18, 2011, 11:49:PM
Not at all, no SCCRC review missy...no retrial.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2011, 11:50:PM
and how would you know what the sccrc are doing.

if you do know you shouldent
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 09:14:AM
makes you wonder why charges of perjury witch would have strengthened lukes conviction were not persued.

is it becouse the police knew if they were charged it would of undone luke mitchells conviction straight away.

Not in the least, I can see them being reinstated just after the SCCRC refuse to make any referral.

so if shane was on the internet and Corine dident get home till 515 who was cooking dinner if it wasn't luke.

the dog maybe.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 09:25:AM
Joesph was not spoken to by the police that's why nothing he said has ever been mentioned because he wasn't interviewed.

so he dident say anything becouse he wasnt asked.

How do you know for 100% certainty that he was not spoken to by the police? You cannot have seen all the police statements made to know this.



by there own admission judy jones and allen oven were out at the time of the murder visting a cemetry.

so joseph jones has no albi whatsoever fact not speculation.

















judy jones and alan oven were out at the time of murder so joseph jones has no albi what so ever thats not speculation its a fact.

i thought you said you had followed this case.

 Did you go to the trial?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 10:00:AM
sorry i made a mess of that post.

what i was going to say is Judy Jones Allen oven were vi sting a cemetery by the own admission at the time of the murder so Joseph has no Albie whatsoever fact not speclation.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 03:01:PM
http://www.berwick-advertiser.co.uk/news/local-headlines/lengthy_ban_for_drink_driver_caught_on_holiday_park_road_1_1576028

What relevence has this got to do with the murder conviction?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 03:05:PM
sorry i made a mess of that post.

what i was going to say is Judy Jones Allen oven were vi sting a cemetery by the own admission at the time of the murder so Joseph has no Albie whatsoever fact not speclation.

You do not know what Joseph Jones said in statements to police. Whatever was said was clearly accepted.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 03:09:PM
he never made any statement and wasn't asked to that's why everyone else statements are being quoted
and not his.

and since when has the police accepting something made it true anyway.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 03:12:PM
he never made any statement and wasn't asked to that's why everyone else statements are being quoted
and not his.

How do you assert with 100% accuracy that Joseph Jones did not give a statement?
Where did you get this information from? Please provide a source or forever hold your tongue. Again it is idle speculation.

And why does it matter so much to you?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 03:13:PM
http://www.berwick-advertiser.co.uk/news/local-headlines/lengthy_ban_for_drink_driver_caught_on_holiday_park_road_1_1576028

What relevence has this got to do with the murder conviction?

its as relevant as stuff you have posted.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 03:14:PM
he never made any statement and wasn't asked to that's why everyone else statements are being quoted
and not his.

How do you assert with 100% accuracy that Joseph Jones did not give a statement?
Where did you get this information from? Please provide a source or forever hold your tongue. Again it is idle speculation.

ive stated my reason for saying it so bollocks.

your going to be offended by that arnt you.
And why does it matter so much to you?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 03:14:PM
http://www.berwick-advertiser.co.uk/news/local-headlines/lengthy_ban_for_drink_driver_caught_on_holiday_park_road_1_1576028

What relevence has this got to do with the murder conviction?

its as relevant as stuff you have posted.

Don't talk nonsense. Anything I have posted relates to the case. The link you posted is nothing to do with case at all.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 03:17:PM
it relates to gordon dickie and seem to have hit a nerve there.

its in the public domain so why shouldent i post it.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 03:18:PM
Your reasons for saying Joseph Jones did not have an alibi is because his mother and her partner went to the grave yard and the police did not speak to him as you claim.

Have you any proof to show what you are saying is true?

Do you know for 100% that he had no alibi or was not spoken to by police?

What legal status would your speculation have in any court?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 03:19:PM
it relates to gordon dickie and seem to have hit a nerve there.

its in the public domain so why shouldent i post it.

I asked what relevence does it have to this murder conviction?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 03:56:PM
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/no-smoke/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 04:17:PM
Can you not answer the questions I asked nugnug?

Here they are again
Quote
Your reasons for saying Joseph Jones did not have an alibi is because his mother and her partner went to the grave yard and the police did not speak to him as you claim.

Have you any proof to show what you are saying is true?

Do you know for 100% that he had no alibi or was not spoken to by police?

What legal status would your speculation have in any court?

Referring to the article link you posted I asked

Quote
I asked what relevence does it have to this murder conviction?



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 05:26:PM
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/the-finding-of-the-body/post-mortem/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 06:03:PM
So you cannot answer the questions after all. I thought not.

It is clear you do not know the answer to these questions and the link you keep posting does not have the answers either.

All you have is supposition and speculation.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:14:PM
well thats up to the reader to decide it dident post just for you the links for you.

why do you think the entire world has to justify itself to you.

now your posting the tabloid version of events witch you quoting as the gospel truth and im posting a different version of events.

from a diffrent.







Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:17:PM
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/what-is-wrong-with-this-case/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 06:24:PM
Why are you posting links to a discredited site nuggy...oops forgot your mate runs it!    ;D ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:30:PM
why is it descredited its up to reader to decide weather its descredited or not.

something is not discredited becouse keeps saying.

deascredited discredited disredited over and over agian how ever much you might wish that was true.

you never did get over being banned from there did you.

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/the-tattoo-evidence/the-manson-connection/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 06:38:PM
well thats up to the reader to decide it dident post just for you the links for you.

why do you think the entire world has to justify itself to you.

now your posting the tabloid version of events witch you quoting as the gospel truth and im posting a different version of events.

from a diffrent.

The questions I asked are valid ones and nothing to do with tabloid news. You cannot answer the questions. That is crystal clear.
Are you the entire world? I asked you, who is one person, a few questions. Instead of answering you would rather waffle on about anything other than answer a simple question. I can see a pattern here with that. If you do not like the question or what is said you change the subject and ignore the question then waffle on about something else.

You allege that Joseph Jones was not spoken to by police. You also allege that he had no alibi.

You do not know the answers to these questions, yet expect me or anyone else to take your word as the truth.

Have you any proof to show what you are saying is true?

Do you know for 100% that he had no alibi or was not spoken to by police?

What legal status would your speculation have in any court?

What relevence was the news article link you posted about someone being done for drunk driving a few months ago to this murder case?

I also asked several pages back if you had seen all or even any of the police statements. You cannot answer any of these simple questions.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:42:PM
it proven fact he has no albi.

but there own admission his mum and stepfather visited a cemetery at the time of the murder leaving him home alone.

so no alibi

or are saing judy and allen dident go to the cemetery are you saying there lying.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 06:42:PM
why is it descredited its up to reader to decide weather its descredited or not.

something is not discredited becouse keeps saying.

deascredited discredited disredited over and over agian how ever much you might wish that was true.

you never did get over being banned from there did you.

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/the-tattoo-evidence/the-manson-connection/

It contains nothing but supposition and allegation as well you know missy...not a fact to be seen!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 06:44:PM
Most certainly Joseph was spoken to by the police, anyone who tells is differently is being disingenuous.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:46:PM
and how would you no that.

if he was spocken to by what did he say then.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 06:48:PM
and how would you no that.

if he was spocken to by what did he say then.

Sounds like a fishing expidition you are on here. You don't know if he was spoken to and are dying to know if he was and what was said.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:50:PM
if he was spoken someone should no what he said funny no one does.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 06:51:PM
it proven fact he has no albi.

but there own admission his mum and stepfather visited a cemetery at the time of the murder leaving him home alone.

so no alibi

or are saing judy and allen dident go to the cemetery are you saying there lying.

It is not a proven fact at all. It is a proven fact only that Judy and Allen went to the graveyard.
How do you know that someone did not visit while they were out?

You do not know if he was spoken to by the police.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 06:52:PM
if he was spoken someone should no what he said funny no one does.

I am sure there are people who do know. Its just you do not know.

If he was ruled out as he obviously was then why would you need to know what he said anyway?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:53:PM
becouse that someone would of come forward and said so and given joey an albi

if anyone did visit its a bit dodgy that they haven't mentioned it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 06:56:PM
if he was spoken someone should no what he said funny no one does.

I am sure there are people who do know. Its just you do not know.

If he was ruled out as he obviously was then why would you need to know what he said anyway?

im sure there are people who know.

now whos speculating.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:01:PM
becouse that someone would of come forward and said so and given joey an albi

if anyone did visit its a bit dodgy that they haven't mentioned it.

Why would he need an alibi anyway?
Why would anyone feel the need to come forward publicly anyway?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:01:PM
if he was spoken someone should no what he said funny no one does.

I am sure there are people who do know. Its just you do not know.

If he was ruled out as he obviously was then why would you need to know what he said anyway?

im sure there are people who know.

now whos speculating.

I am sure there are people who do know.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:04:PM
so where are they then.

if joey had given a statement and somone else was visting it would of all been mentioned.

that person would be in joeys statement.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:07:PM
becouse that someone would of come forward and said so and given joey an albi

if anyone did visit its a bit dodgy that they haven't mentioned it.

Why would he need an alibi anyway?
Why would anyone feel the need to come forward publicly anyway?

everyone needs an albi when the investigation starts you don't know the police are going to accuse someone else and not you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:08:PM
so where are they then.

if joey had given a statement and somone else was visting it would of all been mentioned.

Why is it so important to know if Joseph Jones spoke to the police and what his alibi was? He was not a suspect.

Do you honestly believe that the police did not speak to every single member of that family?

Why don't you ask your friends on the Mitchell forum if they have seen every single police statement in the case?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:11:PM
becouse that someone would of come forward and said so and given joey an albi

if anyone did visit its a bit dodgy that they haven't mentioned it.

Why would he need an alibi anyway?
Why would anyone feel the need to come forward publicly anyway?

everyone needs an albi when the investigation starts you don't know the police are going to accuse someone else and not you.

Innocent people would not have any problem speaking to the police.  The police did not have any reason to accuse Joseph Jones if the did not make him a suspect.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:11:PM
yes i honestly believe they dident

because no doubt if they had spoken to joey the family would have got up and said so.

and 2 people say they have seen all the statements.

.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:15:PM
This family have been through hell with this brutal murder. They rarely speak to the media, so why would they tell anyone other than their own family and friends what happened with the police? They have no need to do so.

They need to be left in peace to grieve their terrible loss but they are not being allowed to because people like you keep bringing all the gory details of this murder onto the internet.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:17:PM
yes i honestly believe they dident

because no doubt if they had spoken to joey the family would have got up and said so.

and 2 people say they have seen all the statements.


.

All of the police statements? I doubt that very much.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:17:PM
they were speaking to the media a lot after the conviction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328577/Jodi-mother-face-face-murder-accused.html#ixzz1MnVedeFO

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:27:PM
they were speaking to the media a lot after the conviction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328577/Jodi-mother-face-face-murder-accused.html#ixzz1MnVedeFO



Why shouldn't they have? Corrine and Luke Mitchell spoke to the media plenty prior to arrest never mind conviction.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:30:PM
they were speaking to the media a lot after the conviction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328577/Jodi-mother-face-face-murder-accused.html#ixzz1MnVedeFO

quite a short article which I wouldnt say was speaking to media a lot. They had every right to speak to whomever they wanted to anyway.

Do you want to attack them for every single thing they say or do? Have some compassion for goodness sake. They have suffered something most will never have to suffer thankfully.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:32:PM
This family have been through hell with this brutal murder. They rarely speak to the media, so why would they tell anyone other than their own family and friends what happened with the police? They have no need to do so.

They need to be left in peace to grieve their terrible loss but they are not being allowed to because people like you keep bringing all the gory details of this murder onto the internet.




i dident start this thread blame john.

i know this trick don't dare question the official version of events because it might upset someone.

this is trotted out in all claims of wrongful conviction.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:34:PM
they were speaking to the media a lot after the conviction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328577/Jodi-mother-face-face-murder-accused.html#ixzz1MnVedeFO

quite a short article which I wouldnt say was speaking to media a lot. They had every right to speak to whomever they wanted to anyway.

that wasnt an attack.

i was just pointing out that your previous post wasn't true.

Do you want to attack them for every single thing they say or do? Have some compassion for goodness sake. They have suffered something most will never have to suffer thankfully.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:36:PM
This family have been through hell with this brutal murder. They rarely speak to the media, so why would they tell anyone other than their own family and friends what happened with the police? They have no need to do so.

They need to be left in peace to grieve their terrible loss but they are not being allowed to because people like you keep bringing all the gory details of this murder onto the internet.




i dident start this thread blame john.

i know this trick don't dare question the official version of events because it might upset someone.

this is trotted out in all claims of wrongful conviction.

I am not blaming anyone for starting the thread. I am not blaming anyone for asking questions.
I am questioning why you think it is okay to attack a grieving murder victims family and accuse them of murder and covering up a murder because you did not like the result in the conviction of Luke Mitchell or any of his subsequent appeals.

If you don't like the questions then don't post here. Its as simple as that but for as long as you post allegations, suppositon and sheer fantasy, then I will respond and keep asking questions. If you cannot or will not answer them its not me who will look bad now is it?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:39:PM
Quote
that wasnt an attack.

i was just pointing out that your previous post wasn't true.

How is me saying that the Jones family do not often speak to the media shown to be untrue by you posting one article dated 26 November 2004?

Where are any recent ones? I do not think there have been any for several years.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:41:PM
i havent accused anyone of murder ive just talked about the case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:43:PM
i havent accused anyone of murder ive just talked about the case.

OMG what a fibber you are. Anyone who can read either this thread or any other thread will see that is a big fat lie.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:46:PM
well ill let them read the threads then and decide for themselves.

please stop trying to put words in to other peoples mouths.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:51:PM
do you think a registered charity would publish all this stuff knowing it wasn't true knowing they could be sued out of existence at any time.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 07:54:PM
well ill let them read the threads then and decide for themselves.

please stop trying to put words in to other peoples mouths.

To quote you, I am just saying what I think.

I am also just saying what I and many others see. I see a poor family who have lost a child in such a brutal manner being victimised and accused by people hiding behind computer screens. God forgive you all.

Registered charities do all kinds of dodgy things. Do you think because something is registered then it is beyond reproach?

Time will tell if this "charity" will last
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 07:57:PM
sandra lean isnt hideing behind a computer screen shes in the next village.

hardly hideing
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 07:59:PM
do you think a registered charity would publish all this stuff knowing it wasn't true knowing they could be sued out of existence at any time.

Sue who exactly?  neither of them even own a house.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:01:PM
sandra lean isnt hideing behind a computer screen shes in the next village.

hardly hideing

She lives in Mayfield actually, I could Google her house if you like?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:02:PM
the charity could be sued out of existence deregistered fo doing something like that.

whats wit all this predjuidice agianst people who dont own houses.

and how do you know what thier finances are.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:04:PM
the charity could be sued out of existence deregistered fo doing something like that.

whats wit all this predjuidice agianst people who dont own houses.

and how do you know what thier finances are.

Well Middleton is on disability benefit and Lean is a sponsored student.

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Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:04:PM
sandra lean isnt hideing behind a computer screen shes in the next village.

hardly hideing

She lives in Mayfield actually, I could Google her house if you like?

that would be cyber stalking john i like doing that but you could arrested.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:06:PM
the charity could be sued out of existence deregistered fo doing something like that.

whats wit all this predjuidice agianst people who dont own houses.

and how do you know what thier finances are.

Well Middleton is on disability benefit and Lean is a sponsored student.

benifet records are confidential how would you know who was on benefit or not.

if you do know that for a fact youve comited a very serious crime.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:08:PM
or is it just more bullshit hey.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:09:PM
the charity could be sued out of existence deregistered fo doing something like that.

whats wit all this predjuidice agianst people who dont own houses.

and how do you know what thier finances are.

Well Middleton is on disability benefit and Lean is a sponsored student.

benifet records are confidential how would you know who was on benefit or not.

if you do know that for a fact youve comited a very serious crime.

I do speak to his ex wife you know!   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:09:PM
or is it just more bullshit hey.

hey Billy boy....better watch they don't catch you out and about on that walk eh??   ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:11:PM
or is it just more bullshit hey.

hey Billy boy....better watch they don't catch you out and about on that walk eh??   ;D

so it is more bullshit then.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:20:PM
Sorry kid...did you fall off your treadmill?   :P
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:28:PM
Came across this garbage by Sandra Lean on WAP a short while ago...

Quote from: Sandra Lean on WAP
The way the cops tried to get evidence from Shane was outrageous. They lied to him, tried every way they could to get him to say Luke did it, twisted everything he said, and then used that in evidence to say he was lying. Judges decision - we agree, if Shane had been a suspect, this would have been totally unacceptable, and the "evidence" garnered from it would never have been allowed. But he wasn't a suspect, was he? He was a witness, so the police treatment doesn't count.

The point is off course that Shane had to tell the truth in the end as he was threaten with being charged with perverting the course of justice.

Shane confirmed he never saw Luke at any time that afternoon and liar Corinne put her big size 9's in it when she said they had spoken in her presence.  Nice one Corinne!   ::)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:36:PM
so if shane was on the internet and corinne was dident get home till 515.

who was cooking dinner then if it wasn't luke.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:38:PM
What dinner?  She made that up too!!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:41:PM
so they all went hungry while luke popped out to kill someone.

were they expecting him to cook it when he got back.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 08:43:PM
Luke never popped out as Luke was never home...no witnesses you see!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 08:48:PM
i dont hink anyone saw jodi walk home but no one is disputing she got there.

i doubt if anybody saw me walk home.

now you may stare out your window to see whos going home and who isnt but most people don't.

so who cooked dinner then did corine and shane just go hungry.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 09:03:PM
Corinne made it after she got home in between disposing of Luke's parka jacket.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 09:04:PM
but none of the witness described a parka jacket and no trace of one was found.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 09:08:PM
so corine   got in 515 cleaned luke of all forensic traces and dispposed of a jacket so nobody could find any trace of it all in time for  luke to siting on the wall at 545.

all in half an hour.

christ shes fast.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 09:12:PM
She had all night to clean up after him, that's why Luke never phoned the Jones' again as this would arise suspicion.

The Luke Mitchell Case - Hotline tel no.    07092 984231

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 09:17:PM
yes but when the 3 cyclists saw luke at 545

he would of had to have been fully cleaned and changed.

not easy to do in half an hour.

and cleaned so that not 1 forensic trace was found in the house.

got to hand it to corine gets home after a hard days

then straight to cover up a murder all in half an hour.

christ shes supper woman.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 09:21:PM
is that the best you can do.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 09:29:PM
now considering most forensic traces arnt visible to the naked eye its brilliant work cleaning them off bocouse you cant even see what your leaning so you dont know weather you have cleaned it of or not.
corine must be a genius to do that
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 10:12:PM
There weren't any traces whatsoever on Luke when there should have been. That clearly indicates that he changed the clothing he had worn to school that day immediately after the murder.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 10:28:PM
how do you know there should of been.

there was no trace of him on her ether.

and she hadent changed clothes and the murder scene hadent been cleaned.

if they had only met in the lunch hour and hadent touched each other to much.

they wouldn't leave a trace on each other.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 10:41:PM
sandra lean isnt hideing behind a computer screen shes in the next village.

hardly hideing

Show me where in my post I mentioned Sandra Lean. I said people not one person.

Quote
I see a poor family who have lost a child in such a brutal manner being victimised and accused by people hiding behind computer screens.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 10:46:PM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 10:51:PM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.

I do not recall talking about Billy Middleton either. I did mention Corrine Mitchell because she was part of the case. Your point is?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 11:05:PM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.

So nugnug is your real name then? Or are you hiding?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2011, 11:22:PM
my names in my profile you care to look i cant prove its my name.
can you prove yours is janet.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 19, 2011, 11:25:PM
my names in my profile you care to look i cant prove its my name.
can you prove yours is janet.

I don't care to look. No I cannot prove my name is Janet but I know that is my name so thats all that matters to me.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:18:AM
I'm simply not a normal teenager; EXCLUSIVE: Luke Mitchell's chilling boast to the Mail.
Source: Daily Mail (London)
Date: 1/22/2005

Byline: GRACE MCLEAN

THE words coming out of his mouth were enough to chill the heart.

His voice flat and emotionless, Luke Mitchell was describing to me the moment he discovered the body of his girlfriend, mutilated and abandoned on the muddy earth.

For the schoolgirl who died an unspeakable death, horrifically mutilated, there was no expression of love from Luke Mitchell - and no tears.

This was Luke's story in his own words - the account the jury never heard as the teenager never gave evidence during his trial.

'My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there,' he began. 'She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side.

'Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring.

'I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall.

'The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her.

'She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms.

I guess the family are suspicious of me because my dog Mia was the one who found Jodi and I was the one who first saw her lying there.' I interviewed Mitchell months before he had been charged with the murder of Jodi, and days after he had been questioned by detectives hunting for her killer.

Aged 15 at the time, the Luke Mitchell in front of me was an adult in everything but name. Chain smoking and dressed in baggy jeans and a dark-coloured T-shirt, he exuded confidence bordering on arrogance.

Yet all the time his eyes flicked towards his mother Corinne, as if seeking reassurance from the woman with whom he obviously had an extra-special bond.

Mitchell and his mother were like a well-rehearsed double act. As Corinne Mitchell ranted about the unfair treatment of her son, Mitchell would pace the floor as he vented his anger at the way the police had dealt with him.

Then his mother would touch him lightly on the arm and he would, as if by magic, calm down.

And as he gave his version of his whereabouts the night Jodi was brutally murdered, he constantly looked to her for reassurance, particularly when recalling the time he left the house to meet his girlfriend and the time he went on to meet his friends.

In the first moments of meeting Mitchell I was struck by how confident he was.

After a day at school he knew he was about to meet a journalist, but he walked into the room with a nonchalant air.

As I shook his hand, he gave me a cursory glance before sitting in a chair diagonally across from his mother.

It was clear he was a very sexually aware young man. I immediately felt uncomfortable as his eyes slowly looked me up and down. Mitchell may be a child but his sexuality, arrogance and misplaced maturity make him appear far older than his tender years.

There were a few flashes of childlike behaviour. But they only came as he was distracted by Mia - the dog he claimed picked up Jodi's scent and led him to her body.

As his story unfolded, it was clear he was a master of manipulation. His story was just too word-perfect. It was also, as has now transpired, a tissue of lies.

This was a 15-year-old who never buckled once during interviews with some of Scotland's most experienced policemen. The more police pushed him, the more arrogant he became.

He boasted to me: 'After a few hours I told them, "charge me or let me go".'

Mitchell leaned forward in his chair and stared intently at me as he told me how police had made his life 'a misery' and how they tried to relate to him through stories of rap star Eminem, shock rocker Marilyn Manson and pop singer Holly Valance.

He said: 'The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi's friend Laura.

They kept asking me about the Eminem song Kim, the song where he fantasises about killing his wife.

'They asked me about the follow- up song in which Eminem sings about the "two of us", meaning him and his daughter. They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi.

'It was all rubbish. Jodi and I would still be together if she was here today.' Detectives were astonished by how arrogant Mitchell was during interviews. Even when confronted with evidence he remained defiant.

He seemed to realise police were trying to relate to him as a teenager and find some kind of common ground.

However, as Mitchell saw himself as an adult, he found the tactic amusing and gained a sense of confidence as the interrogation went on.

Mitchell took to pacing the floor again as he told me how he had 'got really mad' with police.

Clenching his fists he said: 'I started to get really mad after about four hours and asked them to charge me if they had anything to charge me with.' It was clear Mitchell enjoyed playing cat and mouse with detectives. He said: ' One copper stood, looked me straight in my face and said, "We've got you. We found your semen on her bra.

We've found sperm similar to yours." I laughed and said, "If it's similar, it's not the same then, is it?" ' He told how detectives showed him a video reconstruction of how it would have been impossible for him to see Jodi's body in the dark woods with only a torch - implying he must have known exactly where she was lying.

He said: 'Jodi's body was replaced with a tailor's dummy and I pointed out to police that I could see a limb. That' s when they switched the video off.'

But then, chillingly, he revealed that he, Jodi and their friend Laura had been talking about funeral arrangements a few nights before the murder.

He said: 'What happened to Jodi was so ironic because the Thursday before she died we were all talking about what records we would want played at our funeral.' I could picture him that night, talking in the bedroom with Jodi - taking a perverse pleasure in knowing the fate that awaited her.

He said police took a lock knife from him after being tipped off by friends.

But he added: 'The bloke who said this is a fantasist. Another of his friends told police Jodi and I were arguing all the time. But that's not true. We never had a cross word.' Mitchell also denied he was taunting police when he left a note with flowers for Jodi which quoted from Kurt Cobain's journals: 'The finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came.' He said: 'The only reason I left it was because she loved that line. I wanted to be with Jodi and nobody else.' It was the first time in our interview that Mitchell spoke of any affection for Jodi. But then, to change the subject, he spent ten minutes talking about newly learned computer skills - just like any other teenage boy - before asking his mother for the keys to her 4x4 Land Rover.

Then, nonchalantly, he walked outside, started up the engine and drove at high speeds around nearby waste ground. It seemed, yet again, that Mitchell was playing at being an adult.

When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift.

In the car, he said very little about Jodi, continuing to talk about his computer course. When the car came to a standstill, he leaned over and gave me a hug before jumping out. Just four weeks later, he was arrested for Jodi's murder.

I truly believe Mitchell thought he could get away with it. As we parted, he couldn't resist having the final word. A last gesture, and his last chance to goad the police: 'I was never going to break down in public - I'm not that kind of bloke.

'They made a mistake and thought I was just a normal teenager.'

g.mclean@dailymail.co.uk
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:25:AM
Lets discuss this article



ON Friday - day 42 of what had become the longest ever single- accused murder trial in Scottish history - the jury foreman rose to his feet in Edinburgh's high court and pierced the silence with a word that Jodi Jones's mother had waited more than 18 months to hear: Guilty.

The audible gasps and sobs that followed the verdict in court number three, however, contrasted starkly with the stony silence from 16-year-old Luke Mitchell. Handcuffed and flanked by two officers in the dock, the teenager did not collapse, shout or wail that a miscarriage of justice had taken place.

There was no visible anger when the verdict came. Instead, he faced straight ahead, and showed no emotion, just as he had done throughout the murder trial.

It was a calmness and stoicism that had become the trademark of the teenage killer, who, aged just 14, had in the most gruesome and calculated way strangled, stabbed, stripped and mutilated his girlfriend in woods near her home.

The words of the judge, Lord Nimmo Smith, were telling. He had sat patiently and intently throughout two months of the most harrowing evidence, and yet did not have an answer to the seemingly simple question: Why?

"It lies beyond any skill of mine to look into the black depths of your mind. I can only look at what you have done, " he told Mitchell. "I have no idea what led you to do what you did. Maybe it was a desire for notoriety, to achieve something grotesque.

I leave it to others to fathom."


The rest of this long article is on this link http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20050123/ai_n9628509/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:47:AM
oh judges always come out with cobblers like that when there sentencing somebody its expected of them

the decedent showed no emotion as most defendants don't because there in to much shock at hearing the word guilty.

i

as for the daily mail well its the daily mail need i say more.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 01:48:AM
oh judges always come out with cobblers like that when there sentencing somebody its expected of them

the decedent showed no emotion as most defendants don't because there in to much shock at hearing the word guilty.

i

as for the daily mail well its the daily mail need i say more.

Most who are innocent actually do let the courts know how they feel somehow or another. They say something at the very least, especially when being sentenced.
Especially when they already know there is a big media interest in the case.
They do not usually stay totally silent. I know Luke Mitchell was young but he had no problem answering police questions and arguing with them.
Suddenly when he is found guilty he is struck dumb?
This is the same man that Lord Hamilton, said, "Mitchell was "perfectly capable of holding his own". He had made no confession and had "stuck to his guns" throughout the interview, the court heard."

I know too that a guilty verdict can be a shock to some people but they usually react in someway too. He knew the media would be listening to everything said. Yet said not one word?

There is not one word of truth in the Daily Mail articles or in any article that does not support Mitchell.
Wonder why they are still in business and not been sued out of it by now considering all they do is tell lies about innocent people like Luke Mitchell. They clearly made up every little thing about him. None of it is true of course.

So if he stuck to his guns throughout an interview, when it was quite clear he was the only suspect then why no outburst at court that they got it wrong?

As I said I do understand that perhaps someone would be shocked to be charged but once charged there is always a chance of conviction unless you know you did not do something. And if you did not you will let people know the verdict is wrong.

That did not happen in this case at all.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 03:28:AM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.

Quite simply they are hiding as they post one thing under own names and other rubbish under anonymous user-names just like you do nuggy.

Sandra Lean previously admitted to using the names jigsawman and angeline when posting since this suited her purpose.

Have you ever wondered why Shane or Luke's dad don't appear to post on any forums?  I should point out that the words 'don't appear' are the important ones here as they do post anonymously and quite regularly.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 03:35:AM
But then smiffy/outsider just posted on WAP that he knows who the killer is...

Quote from: outsider
not too sure of your source...IS IT FROM DOBBIE THE DUMB COPPERS fantasy version?...Dobbie...the man that seems to think it normal for 14 year old girls to have sperm from several different males on her body and clothes and not find it highly suspicious...hmmm..well I do find it suspicious...oh and Dobbie..I know you got it wrong sunshine...cos I know who really killed Jodi....and so do a growing number of other people.

Maybe he will let the SCCRC know!  ...or is there more than the cops who are dumb-ass fantasists?

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg13531/?PHPSESSID=6e67a1b8f4e4652bb21e006ac0397117#new)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:06:PM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.

Quite simply they are hiding as they post one thing under own names and other rubbish under anonymous user-names just like you do nuggy.

Sandra Lean previously admitted to using the names jigsawman and angeline when posting since this suited her purpose.

Have you ever wondered why Shane or Luke's dad don't appear to post on any forums?  I should point out that the words 'don't appear' are the important ones here as they do post anonymously and quite regularly.
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believe or not a lot of people have other things to do than post on forums.

i know we dont but some people have a life.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:11:PM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.

Quite simply they are hiding as they post one thing under own names and other rubbish under anonymous user-names just like you do nuggy.

Sandra Lean previously admitted to using the names jigsawman and angeline when posting since this suited her purpose.

Have you ever wondered why Shane or Luke's dad don't appear to post on any forums?  I should point out that the words 'don't appear' are the important ones here as they do post anonymously and quite regularly.


some people have better things to do than post on forums all.

can you prove any of what your saying is just speculation.

can you prove your posting under other ids

and your hideing in another country.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:20:PM
oh judges always come out with cobblers like that when there sentencing somebody its expected of them

the decedent showed no emotion as most defendants don't because there in to much shock at hearing the word guilty.

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as for the daily mail well its the daily mail need i say more.

Most who are innocent actually do let the courts know how they feel somehow or another. They say something at the very least, especially when being sentenced.
Especially when they already know there is a big media interest in the case.
They do not usually stay totally silent. I know Luke Mitchell was young but he had no problem answering police questions and arguing with them.
Suddenly when he is found guilty he is struck dumb?
This is the same man that Lord Hamilton, said, "Mitchell was "perfectly capable of holding his own". He had made no confession and had "stuck to his guns" throughout the interview, the court heard."

I know too that a guilty verdict can be a shock to some people but they usually react in someway too. He knew the media would be listening to everything said. Yet said not one word?

There is not one word of truth in the Daily Mail articles or in any article that does not support Mitchell.
Wonder why they are still in business and not been sued out of it by now considering all they do is tell lies about innocent people like Luke Mitchell. They clearly made up every little thing about him. None of it is true of course.

So if he stuck to his guns throughout an interview, when it was quite clear he was the only suspect then why no outburst at court that they got it wrong?

As I said I do understand that perhaps someone would be shocked to be charged but once charged there is always a chance of conviction unless you know you did not do something. And if you did not you will let people know the verdict is wrong.

That did not happen in this case at all.

make react in all diffrent ways to the verdict it means nothing your clutching at straws here.

a lot of guilty do react a lot of innocent people dont.

a lot of guilty start protesting there innocence after the verdict a lot of innocent people dont it means nothing.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:27:PM
the mail articall contians nothing but a lot of innuendo

this was paper who spen years telling the world colin stag was guilty..
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:32:PM
the mail articall contians nothing but a lot of innuendo

this was paper who spen years telling the world colin stag was guilty..

You are trying to tell me that every single thing ever printed about Luke Mitchell or his family is all lies? Not one shred of truth in anything ever said if it is bad for Mitchell? Is that what you are trying to say here? Its not just the Mail you say this about. Its every single news paper.

We all know the papers get things wrong but come on they do not get everything wrong now do they?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:35:PM
oh judges always come out with cobblers like that when there sentencing somebody its expected of them

the decedent showed no emotion as most defendants don't because there in to much shock at hearing the word guilty.

i

as for the daily mail well its the daily mail need i say more.

Most who are innocent actually do let the courts know how they feel somehow or another. They say something at the very least, especially when being sentenced.
Especially when they already know there is a big media interest in the case.
They do not usually stay totally silent. I know Luke Mitchell was young but he had no problem answering police questions and arguing with them.
Suddenly when he is found guilty he is struck dumb?
This is the same man that Lord Hamilton, said, "Mitchell was "perfectly capable of holding his own". He had made no confession and had "stuck to his guns" throughout the interview, the court heard."

I know too that a guilty verdict can be a shock to some people but they usually react in someway too. He knew the media would be listening to everything said. Yet said not one word?

There is not one word of truth in the Daily Mail articles or in any article that does not support Mitchell.
Wonder why they are still in business and not been sued out of it by now considering all they do is tell lies about innocent people like Luke Mitchell. They clearly made up every little thing about him. None of it is true of course.

So if he stuck to his guns throughout an interview, when it was quite clear he was the only suspect then why no outburst at court that they got it wrong?

As I said I do understand that perhaps someone would be shocked to be charged but once charged there is always a chance of conviction unless you know you did not do something. And if you did not you will let people know the verdict is wrong.

That did not happen in this case at all.

make react in all diffrent ways to the verdict it means nothing your clutching at straws here.

a lot of guilty do react a lot of innocent people dont.

a lot of guilty start protesting there innocence after the verdict a lot of innocent people dont it means nothing.

I am clutching at straws? Don't make me laugh!!

So a young man who has been quite vocal about the case suddenly can show no reaction whatsoever when found guilty of such a terrible crime?
There was not one waver of emotion in him when he was pronounced guilty. Not one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:37:PM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.

Quite simply they are hiding as they post one thing under own names and other rubbish under anonymous user-names just like you do nuggy.

Sandra Lean previously admitted to using the names jigsawman and angeline when posting since this suited her purpose.

Have you ever wondered why Shane or Luke's dad don't appear to post on any forums?  I should point out that the words 'don't appear' are the important ones here as they do post anonymously and quite regularly.

Well if people are admitting to using certain names you can bet they are using others too.

If Shane or the dad post why don't the post under their own names if they believe he is innocent?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:37:PM
yeah they say that about nearly every defendant in nearly every trail its just a cliche
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:38:PM
yeah they say that about nearly every defendant in nearly every trail its just a cliche

But it wasn't a cliche was it? People saw it for themselves in court.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:39:PM
oh so were you talking about billy midellton or corine mitchell who still lives in dielkieth

do you think there names are fake then how exactly are they hideing.

Quite simply they are hiding as they post one thing under own names and other rubbish under anonymous user-names just like you do nuggy.

Sandra Lean previously admitted to using the names jigsawman and angeline when posting since this suited her purpose.

Have you ever wondered why Shane or Luke's dad don't appear to post on any forums?  I should point out that the words 'don't appear' are the important ones here as they do post anonymously and quite regularly.

Well if people are admitting to using certain names you can bet they are using others too.

If Shane or the dad post why don't the post under their own names if they believe he is innocent?

seeing as you no way of proveing who you are.

you are in postion to accuse others.

how do i know and john arnt the same person.

theres no way of proveing it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:42:PM
Considering I am female, I think the name gives the game away don't you? I cannot and am not John. But carry on thinking I am if it makes you feel better.

I was not judging, I asked why they did not post under their own names if they believe he is innocent. Why is asking that question judging?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:43:PM
yeah they say that about nearly every defendant in nearly every trail its just a cliche

But it wasn't a cliche was it? People saw it for themselves in court.

how would you that if as you say you wernt in court.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:48:PM
yeah they say that about nearly every defendant in nearly every trail its just a cliche

But it wasn't a cliche was it? People saw it for themselves in court.

how would you that if as you say you wernt in court.

Because people have reported exactly what they themselves witnessed the day of the verdict.
But of course they are all lying aren't they?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:49:PM
i thought said you said you had nothing to do with the case so how would you know that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 12:52:PM
i thought said you said you had nothing to do with the case so how would you know that.

re read what I wrote
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 12:56:PM
i did read what you wrote.

and if your nothing to do with the case as you say.

how would you know what other people who were in court said.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 01:01:PM

(http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2005/Jan/Week3/1270014.jpg)

Found this on the Sky website.

Interesting there is a mention of Manson.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 01:02:PM
and
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 01:04:PM
i did read what you wrote.

and if your nothing to do with the case as you say.

how would you know what other people who were in court said.

Do you know who said what in court? Because you said you were not there either.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 01:06:PM
and

It is interesting. I have not seen the jotter properly like this before. Please try to write in sentences
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 01:17:PM
kids write on there jotters

its perfectly normall.

there are thousnds of jotters that look just like that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 01:27:PM
kids write on there jotters

its perfectly normall.

there are thousnds of jotters that look just like that.

Really? Not on any jotter I have ever seen
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 01:33:PM
how many jotters have you seen then.

what does writing things on jotter  have to do with murder

you will scribels like that on half the school jotters in the country.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 01:49:PM


and your hideing in another country.

Hiding from whom, we don't all hide in their maw's house in Lerwick do we?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 20, 2011, 03:30:PM
how many jotters have you seen then.

what does writing things on jotter  have to do with murder

you will scribels like that on half the school jotters in the country.

I have seen many jotters is the answer.

I posted a pic of the jotter. I said I found it interesting. I said I had not seen it before in such detail.
I said I had not seen such scribbles on a jotter.

I am not debating about a jotter. I just posted the picture. So why do you have a problem with this?

 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 22, 2011, 12:26:AM
I suppose none of this is true either?

As Donald Findlay, the eminent QC who defended Mitchell in court, put it during his summing up: "The question that screams into everyone’s mind is ‘why’? In this case there is no ‘why’." What was Mitchell’s motive?

Detective Chief Superintendent Craig Dobbie believes he has the "why". Softly spoken and bespectacled, Dobbie was appointed head of the murder hunt after Jodi’s body was discovered in the woods near Roan’s Dyke, Dalkeith, hours after she met her death. He fought to solve a crime which lacked critical DNA evidence, finding himself up against a teenage suspect who showed immense cunning under the fiercest pressure.

Clues were emerging about just how dangerous he might be at a very young age. Born in July 1988, his parents Corinne and Philip split up when he was 11. He grew up under the care of his mother and she allowed him to do exactly as he pleased. He lived in a state of near squalor; keeping his own urine in bottles in his bedroom, rarely washing and wearing the same clothes for days on end.

Left largely to his own devices he became defiant, violent and brooding with an unhealthy fascination with knives, the occult and drugs. He was first brought to the attention of the mental health profession aged just 11, following a fight at King’s Park Primary in Dalkeith. Although the incident was just a minor skirmish with another pupil, Mitchell’s attitude was sufficiently troublesome to warrant a referral to a school psychiatrist. However, there appears to have been little further action taken by the education authorities or his parents to curb his behaviour.
When he was 12 he threatened his then girlfriend with a knife because she refused to have sex with him. The incidents went on. When he moved to St David’s High, a music teacher found him trying to throttle another pupil and he was sent to an educational psychologist. He refused the expert’s help. Instead Mitchell became a rebellious, mysterious teenager who was heavily into cannabis and supplied his Goth friends with the drug.

He also appeared to have an unhealthy interest in the occult. The jotters at his Catholic school were daubed with Satanic slogans, and he wrote a school essay containing references to the devil. Yet teachers appeared to have little control over him and he would simply defy their instructions when it suited him.
Even more worryingly, he also acquired a fascination with knives. His older brother, Shane, had a knife collection and Mitchell gathered his own array. At a party six weeks before killing Jones, he repeatedly jabbed her in the leg with a knife he had been using to cut up cannabis.

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

Further investigations were also made into Mitchell’s background and his behaviour.

Dobbie added: "By 14 August our focus was on Luke. He was interviewed again under caution. He was challenging. He was totally in control of himself and challenged the abilities and authority of the police. It was almost like taunts. He had the mental ability to sit and take control of the interview and that’s incredible from someone who has not previously been part of the criminal process, or not come from a criminal family. He was not fazed or shocked or panicking. I have never seen someone so cool and calm and who needed to control the situation."

Yet there was no proof he was the murderer, no killer fact, just an arrogant teenager who seemed to show no grief over his girlfriend’s death.

Mitchell denied the allegations from the outset, but was soon suspected by the family and banned from her funeral. He angered Jodi’s relatives when, as she was laid to rest, he appeared on television to make a public denial. He also visited her grave accompanied by his mother, stubbed out cigarettes and swore at photographers. His boldness sparked strong suspicions of his guilt in the local community and he found he could not return to normal life.

Mitchell was banned from returning to school after the summer holidays and told he would have to be educated separately - away from his fellow pupils. This led to a heated argument between Mitchell, his 45-year-old mother Corinne and the school’s headteacher, and threats of legal action.

In court Mitchell’s defence was that he was at home cooking dinner at the time of the murder. His alibi was his ever-devoted mother who backed up his story. But investigations showed that there had been an exchange of text messages between Jodi and Luke from 4.35pm to 4.38pm on June 30, in which they arranged to meet up.

A knife pouch with the initials "JJ" - apparently a reference to Jodi Jones - and the numerals "666" written on it was found in his bedroom.

Despite his mother’s claims, the evidence of Mitchell’s own brother - who said he had been at home alone viewing pornography - demonstrated that Mitchell had not been in his family’s Newbattle house at the time of the killing, and another witness testified that someone "very, very like" Mitchell was at the Easthouses end of the path with a young female just before 5pm.

Mitchell’s mother also denied the clothes he had been wearing were destroyed in a log burner in the garden of her home within hours of her murder. And it emerged that just days after his girlfriend was brutally murdered, Mitchell bought a Marilyn Manson DVD about the murder of Elizabeth Short. Would a grieving young man who had accidentally stumbled on the mutilated and naked body of his girlfriend get any comfort from such a film?

On November 21, 2003, police felt they had sufficient evidence to submit a report to the procurator fiscal which named Luke Mitchell as the prime suspect for the murder.

On April 14, last year Mitchell was arrested and charged in connection with Jodi’s murder. When police arrived to arrest the teenager they found him sharing a bedroom with his mother. She said she had been comforting him because he was not sleeping well.

Corinne and Mitchell’s 22-year-old brother, Shane, were also arrested and charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice. But these charges were later dropped.

The circumstances clearly pointed to Mitchell as the killer. But with no DNA or murder weapon the conviction on circumstantial evidence was by no means a certainty. When the jury went out on Thursday and appeared far from reaching its verdict speculation was rife in the local community that Mitchell would walk free with either a not guilty or not proven verdict. That lack of hard evidence drew criticism, but Dobbie staunchly defends his force’s investigation.

He said: "We have been scrutinised by one of the finest defence lawyers in the country but not one point has been inadmissible."

The case was the largest for Lothian and Borders Police in the past 20 years, leading to the longest single-accused murder trial in Scots legal history.

In the process, little of Jodi Jones’s secrets have escaped the glare of publicity. Her naked, mutilated body has been photographed and shown to witnesses, her text messages retrieved, her family life and sex life discussed and excerpts from her private diary opened to the world and used as court evidence by the defence team. This last humiliation would have "mortified" the teenager, according to a statement released by her mother on Friday. "These were private and should have remained so," it added.

These deep feelings over the exposure the 14-year-old has suffered in death has silenced her family. Instead of giving interviews they have chosen to preserve as much of her dignity as they can by keeping their feelings and the last remaining private shreds of her life to themselves, sharing only a few words and a poem she wrote with the public.

Dobbie himself did not know Jodi. "However, we came to know her, and one thing is for sure, we will never forget her," he said.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurdertrial/Natural-born-killer.2597278.jp
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 12:42:AM
 no evidence in that what so ever.

just a cop rambling.

there are a couple of bits of truth

the big lie is that there was no dna.

there is dna just none of luke mitchells.

the dna of steven kelly and others is there.


its true that there was no murder weapon ever found.

and findley is not one of finest lawers in this country or any country.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 02:02:AM
I see the fans over at GI are asking questions about Shane and his daddy posting on the forums.  I won't burst their bubbles just yet but watch this space because it will come out soon....

By the way I believe as things stand the SCCRC will not be making any referral to the High Court as Mrs Leans arguments are all sawdust.   They should be receiving the provisional determination very soon now.

I have had another look at the testimony by smack-head Shane the secret poster on WAP. Half the time he couldn't remember and the other half he was repeating things that mummy had fed him earlier. What a tosser! 

I can't get over Corinne being so stupid as to admit that Luke spoke to Shane that afternoon when according to her Luke had called him down for dinner. Shane denied this ever took place when he confirmed he never saw Luke any time that afternoon until he returned home after 9pm.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 09:55:AM
I see the fans over at GI are asking questions about Shane and his daddy posting on the forums.  I won't burst their bubbles just yet but watch this space because it will come out soon....

By the way I believe as things stand the SCCRC will not be making any referral to the High Court as Mrs Leans arguments are all sawdust.   They should be receiving the provisional determination very soon now.

I have had another look at the testimony by smack-head Shane the secret poster on WAP. Half the time he couldn't remember and the other half he was repeating things that mummy had fed him earlier. What a tosser! 

I can't get over Corinne being so stupid as to admit that Luke spoke to Shane that afternoon when according to her Luke had called him down for dinner. Shane denied this ever took place when he confirmed he never saw Luke any time that afternoon until he returned home after 9pm.

how would you know what the scrsc are doing you dont whats been submited to them.

all this becouse you banned from a forum how pathetic is that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 02:55:PM
Would that be the forum where I exposed Corinne Mitchell ?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 03:14:PM
no the one where you were exposed as one.

the links are posted i think most people can see what went on
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 03:27:PM
She never quite did that load of crap she refers to as the truth sorted out did she Sandra?  Lets say I am not surprised she ended up with you two since you all deserve each other.

Luckily Stephanie Hall saw through them before it was too late!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 03:37:PM
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/1400-facing-DNA-tests-in.2442706.jp

this article would tend to prove dobbies claims that the dna transferred by innocently to be a lie.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 22, 2011, 05:17:PM
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/1400-facing-DNA-tests-in.2442706.jp

this article would tend to prove dobbies claims that the dna transferred by innocently to be a lie.

Thought the media only printed rubbish? Or is it only rubbish when it does not suit your theories?

Did you take a note of the date that article was published? Published Date: 10 July 2003 So 8 years have passed since that article so I would say it proves nothing.

What about the blonde woman. Did she ever come forward?

Quote
DI Martin said they are keen to trace the distinctive young blonde as she may have vital information.

He said: "That pavement along Easthouses Road is the way Jodi would have walked to get to the start of the Roman Dyke path.

"The young woman was walking along that pavement a few minutes after 5pm which is not long after Jodi left home. This woman may have passed Jodi on the pavement, seen her along the route or even seen someone else acting suspiciously.

"As Easthouses Road is a residential area and she was pushing a pushchair this could mean she lives in the local area, possibly somewhere in Easthouses itself.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 22, 2011, 05:19:PM
She never quite did that load of crap she refers to as the truth sorted out did she Sandra?  Lets say I am not surprised she ended up with you two since you all deserve each other.

Luckily Stephanie Hall saw through them before it was too late!


From what I have read I would say Stephanie Hall did eventually see through them but not before she got caught up in a mess first which is unfortunate.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 05:32:PM
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/1400-facing-DNA-tests-in.2442706.jp

this article would tend to prove dobbies claims that the dna transferred by innocently to be a lie.

Thought the media only printed rubbish? Or is it only rubbish when it does not suit your theories?

Did you take a note of the date that article was published? Published Date: 10 July 2003 So 8 years have passed since that article so I would say it proves nothing.

What about the blonde woman. Did she ever come forward?

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DI Martin said they are keen to trace the distinctive young blonde as she may have vital information.

He said: "That pavement along Easthouses Road is the way Jodi would have walked to get to the start of the Roman Dyke path.

"The young woman was walking along that pavement a few minutes after 5pm which is not long after Jodi left home. This woman may have passed Jodi on the pavement, seen her along the route or even seen someone else acting suspiciously.

"As Easthouses Road is a residential area and she was pushing a pushchair this could mean she lives in the local area, possibly somewhere in Easthouses itself.

it proves the police wre lying when they said the dna transfered innocently as was the prosecutor.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 22, 2011, 05:58:PM
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/1400-facing-DNA-tests-in.2442706.jp

this article would tend to prove dobbies claims that the dna transferred by innocently to be a lie.

Thought the media only printed rubbish? Or is it only rubbish when it does not suit your theories?

Did you take a note of the date that article was published? Published Date: 10 July 2003 So 8 years have passed since that article so I would say it proves nothing.

What about the blonde woman. Did she ever come forward?

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DI Martin said they are keen to trace the distinctive young blonde as she may have vital information.

He said: "That pavement along Easthouses Road is the way Jodi would have walked to get to the start of the Roman Dyke path.

"The young woman was walking along that pavement a few minutes after 5pm which is not long after Jodi left home. This woman may have passed Jodi on the pavement, seen her along the route or even seen someone else acting suspiciously.

"As Easthouses Road is a residential area and she was pushing a pushchair this could mean she lives in the local area, possibly somewhere in Easthouses itself.

it proves the police wre lying when they said the dna transfered innocently as was the prosecutor.

how does it?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 06:02:PM
well why would they be planning to DNA test the whole area for DNA that they claim got there by accident
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 22, 2011, 06:22:PM
well why would they be planning to DNA test the whole area for DNA that they claim got there by accident
again I point you to the date of the article. It was also very early on in the investigation. You cannot possibly know who was tested or not.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 22, 2011, 06:25:PM
well why would they be planning to DNA test the whole area for DNA that they claim got there by accident


You are twisting words here. They did not say they were planning to dna the whole area. What they said was
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DETECTIVES investigating the murder of schoolgirl Jodi Jones are considering DNA testing up to 1400 men living near where she was killed.

and this statement too
"DNA testing is an option open to us and we may consider it in the future.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 06:41:PM
well why would the considering that if the dident think the dna had anything to do with the murder.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 22, 2011, 06:52:PM
well why would the considering that if the dident the dna had anything to do with the murder.

because it was the start of a massive enquiry and like you have said on other occasions, "they always say things like that"

One reason why they might say it is to see if someone will confess.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 23, 2011, 10:45:AM
well why would the considering that if the dident the dna had anything to do with the murder.

because it was the start of a massive enquiry and like you have said on other occasions, "they always say things like that"

One reason why they might say it is to see if someone will confess.


Why would it be the start of a massive enquiry? Oh because there was lots of DNA from different men that could not be accounted for in a credible way..? So either there is a credible case for sex abuse going on in Jodi's life pre murder or there was a sexual element involved in the murder. One or the other...such large amounts of various males semen is not normal for a 14 year old girl and needs answering.  It is credible that if indeed Jodi was being sexually abused (Not a pleasant thought) then one or more or those involved fearing possible exposure could have a motive to shut her up permanently to save their own skins.

Cant see how announcing plans to possibly conduct local dna testing would really put a person into a position in which may tempt them to confess. That's cloud cuckoo land thinking to claim it would.


thanx for all the smites john... ..it just shows how much you despise my honesty and integrity and it cheers me that I attract your hostility .
 :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 02:02:PM


I will rephrase,it was ten days into what would become a massive enquiry.

So where is this large amount of semen?

Are you trying tell us that the police, the prosecutors, defence QC's, lawyers and the pathologists and any other person doing testing on Jodi totally ignored all this sperm and evidence?
 I do not believe it.
I do not believe that because this was such a vicious murder of a young girl and such a high profile case, were they would be looking for all the clues they could get.

You have no proof that Jodi was sexually abused before she was murdered or while she was being murdered. 

All you offer is theory, supposition and speculation.



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 02:05:PM
no we are saying the police ignored as happens in many cases.

the sperm and the rest of the dna had to get there by some means it dident get there by magick.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 02:10:PM
no we are saying the police ignored as happens in many cases.

the sperm and the rest of the dna had to get there by some means it dident get there by magick.

Okay I get that the police fit people up sometimes but you are asking us to believe that the police, the prosecutors, defence QC's, lawyers and the pathologists and any other person doing testing on Jodi totally ignored all this sperm and evidence?  Too many people for a cover up in my eyes. I just cannot believe everyone involved in this case is guilty of ignoring evidence.

Where is the proof of this large amount of semen and other DNA?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 02:25:PM
the pathologists have nothing to do with it they don't make the decisions.

at least one of those patholigists thinks luke mitchells innocent says a lot.

the prosecution ignores all evidence that dosent suit its case.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 02:46:PM
the pathologists have nothing to do with it they don't make the decisions.

at least one of those patholigists thinks luke mitchells innocent says a lot.

the prosecution ignores all evidence that dosent suit its case.

What do you mean the pathologists have nothing to do with it? They are doing the testing, of course they are something to do with it, they have the results to give to the police and courts.

Pathologists gave evidence in court. No mention of all this DNA at trial.

What pathologist has come out and said he thinks Luke Mitchell is innocent?

Even the prosecution would not ignore all this semen if it existed.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 02:56:PM
the prosecution are only interested in getting a conviction against the person in the dock.

the pathologists only answer the questions there asked.

why would the police be talking about dna testing people if there wasn't any dna to test.

prof bushiati  i hope i have spelt his name right has exspresiod doubts about the conviction many times.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 03:46:PM
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Professor Anthony Busuttil carried out the post mortem. He found that the deceased had suffered a prolonged assault with extensive blunt force injury and that a stout, sharp pointed bladed weapon had been used against her several times before and after death. A series of incised wounds across her neck had cut through the neck muscles, windpipe, jugular vein and carotid artery. The latter injury would have caused unconsciousness within seconds and death within two minutes. It was the cause of death. There had been between 12 and 20 cuts to the neck. Extensive injuries to the face, chin, neck and head were consistent with punches, kicks or blows with a blunt weapon. One was severe enough to produce a contusion on the brain. There were signs of mechanical asphyxia possibly involving the use of clothing as a ligature. There were penetrating injuries to the forehead and tonsils, the latter caused by the introduction of a sharp object into the mouth. There was a deep cut to the face. Cutting injuries around the eyes, and deep cuts to the breast, arm and abdomen, had been inflicted after death. Extensive bruising and cuts to the hands and arms indicated that the deceased had tried to defend herself. There were no signs of a sexual assault. Professor Busuttil said that he had been involved in many homicide cases and had not come across mutilation as extensive as this, or had done so only infrequently. Mutilation was quite uncommon, especially where there was no sexual element in the attack.
http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2011HCJAC10.html
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Professor Busuttil gave evidence that a reddish hair bobble, or "scrunch", was situated at the back of the deceased's head, but was not easily visible among her hair which was largely uncontained by it.

Which according to things I have read, Luke Mitchell said he saw the night the body was found yet the pathologist said it was not easily visible.

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There was no evidence of recent sexual abuse.


http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2008HCJAC28.html

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Meanwhile, the other man had provided an innocent explanation about the condom.

"Both gentlemen gave samples to the police and DNA profiles were obtained which were compared to crime-scene samples, and there is no match whatsoever," he told the court.

http://news.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurder/Mitchell-faces--DNA-setback.3714068.jp
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 04:09:PM
well of course he saw the body they all saw the body when the dog found it.

it would depend  on what you consider an innocent explanation as far as the condoms concerned.
why did he not come forward for 3 years if he had an innocent explanation.

the good professor said that luke Mitchell could not have comited the murder without wearing a forensic suit.

and by all  accounts luke Mitchel did not have one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 04:43:PM
well of course he saw the body they all saw the body when the dog found it.

it would depend  on what you consider an innocent explanation as far as the condoms concerned.
why did he not come forward for 3 years if he had an innocent explanation.

the good professor said that luke Mitchell could not have comited the murder without wearing a forensic suit.

and by all  accounts luke Mitchel did not have one.

I did not say he did not see the body. He could not have seen the bauble in the dark and the pathologist said it was not easily seen.

The explanation re the condom was accepted by the police and courts.

where is your source for this information? Frontline Scotland?  So why has this not been accepted at appeals?

I know Frontline eventually went out but it was not impartial.

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But when TV bosses viewed the documentary, made by the flagship Frontline Scotland team, they were appalled and claimed interviews with his mother made Mitchell out to be "a saint". They said it was unfairly critical of the investigating officers and added that the programme lacked impartiality and was unbroadcastable in its current state.

One source said: "They hit the roof. It was not impartial enough and did not given enough right of reply to those it was criticising. It made the mistake of assuming that because he has lodged an appeal that he must be innocent. The truth is that almost every convicted murderer tries to chance their arm by lodging an appeal."

http://news.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurder/BBC-axes-biased-Mitchell-documentary.3359191.jp

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 04:50:PM
well thats the newspaper i suggest people watch front line seemed perfectly impartial to me.

its hard to see most things in the dark that's what torches are for.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 04:52:PM
well thats the newspaper i suggest people watch front line seemed perfectly impartial to me.

its hard to see most things in the dark that's what torches are for.

just doing so again right now. I will be back with my thoughts on it
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: joolz1975 on May 23, 2011, 07:59:PM
This case is very upsetting! I do remember it vaguely but was never aware of the appeals etc...
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 08:13:PM
I have been watching this programme and taking notes from it. I have not yet finished as I have been busy with family, dinner and homework. So will continue watching now.

So far I have heard this.

Over 3000 people interviewed
He was no angel. He carried knives, sold cannabis to friends and was interested in Satanism.
Prof Busitil has clearly been asked a very loaded question regarding what state the murderer could be in afterwards.
He does not mention Luke Mitchell's name. He has been asked a "hypothetical" question about a hypothetical killer and this will only be the edited part that suits Frontlines clearly biased agenda. The fact that we do not hear the question asked is pretty conclusive proof of that.

He does mention the fact that gloves could have been worn.
He does not say "I think Luke Mitchell is innocent."
Roy Ramm says if there are fibres from the murderer and it is heavy rain that it could be washed away. It was raining that night wasn't it?
Busitil says that it is a probablity that evidence may have been lost due to the rain too.
He also says the chances of transfer from assailant to victim is not that common.

I will be back soon with more comment.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 08:23:PM
This case is very upsetting! I do remember it vaguely but was never aware of the appeals etc...

Yes it is a very upsetting case. It has been appealed many times. One of the things that is most upsetting is that the Luke Mitchell Support hint very strongly that the Jones family are involved in some way.

Here is an example of some of their posts on their own forum. JoJ is Jospeh Jones, Jodi's brother. This is who they are accusing of the murder while saying they are not doing that. They are accusing Judith Jones of covering up this murder. This family have suffered enough and what they are doing is beyond anything I can even think of.
   
   
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Wrongly Convicted of Murder
« Reply #7578 on: May 22, 2011, 10:24:40 PM »
   
Quote from: fishy on May 22, 2011, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 08:52:52 PM
i still find it strange that judy jones and allen oven were not doing the press conference.

Maybe because they'd have had to bring JoJ along.
Or leave him "Home Alone". Again.
Remember what happened last time they did that.


more like...erm...remember what happened when they "claimed" to have left him "Home Alone"

good old AO eh...leaves the kissing and holding hands with Judy at the funeral to Joey....how odd for a man who was so agreeable to supposedly  visit a cemetery and grave of the man he replaced in Judy's life.

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fishy
Quote from: Mrssmith on May 22, 2011, 11:39:41 PM
... who are we to judge the behaviour of people just living their lives? before their loved one was brutally taken away? .. you can paint anyone in a bad light ... try and be respectful to all involved...innocent until proven otherwise
An extremely fair point. Just a pity the police and judiciary don't agree to play nice in that respect.
It's a crying shame that Corinne had her boy kidnapped.
And an even greater shame on all of us that we condone the constant propagation of absurd rumours and innuendos about almost any aspect of that family's life and relationships, up to and including complicity in murder.

I doubt the Important Family's supporters will yield for an instant in their slanders against the Mitchells, though.

I'll stop, if they do. Or if I'm caught out in a lie. Deal?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 08:28:PM
its been appealed twice and will be agian.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 08:30:PM
This case is very upsetting! I do remember it vaguely but was never aware of the appeals etc...

Yes it is a very upsetting case. It has been appealed many times. One of the things that is most upsetting is that the Luke Mitchell Support hint very strongly that the Jones family are involved in some way.

Here is an example of some of their posts on their own forum. JoJ is Jospeh Jones, Jodi's brother. This is who they are accusing of the murder while saying they are not doing that. They are accusing Judith Jones of covering up this murder. This family have suffered enough and what they are doing is beyond anything I can even think of.
   
   
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Re: Luke Mitchell - Wrongly Convicted of Murder
« Reply #7578 on: May 22, 2011, 10:24:40 PM »
   
Quote from: fishy on May 22, 2011, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 08:52:52 PM
i still find it strange that judy jones and allen oven were not doing the press conference.

Maybe because they'd have had to bring JoJ along.
Or leave him "Home Alone". Again.
Remember what happened last time they did that.


more like...erm...remember what happened when they "claimed" to have left him "Home Alone"

good old AO eh...leaves the kissing and holding hands with Judy at the funeral to Joey....how odd for a man who was so agreeable to supposedly  visit a cemetery and grave of the man he replaced in Judy's life.

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fishy
Quote from: Mrssmith on May 22, 2011, 11:39:41 PM
... who are we to judge the behaviour of people just living their lives? before their loved one was brutally taken away? .. you can paint anyone in a bad light ... try and be respectful to all involved...innocent until proven otherwise
An extremely fair point. Just a pity the police and judiciary don't agree to play nice in that respect.
It's a crying shame that Corinne had her boy kidnapped.
And an even greater shame on all of us that we condone the constant propagation of absurd rumours and innuendos about almost any aspect of that family's life and relationships, up to and including complicity in murder.

I doubt the Important Family's supporters will yield for an instant in their slanders against the Mitchells, though.

I'll stop, if they do. Or if I'm caught out in a lie. Deal?

you have to discuss everything and all possibiltys or theres no point discussing it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 08:34:PM
I have been watching this programme and taking notes from it. I have not yet finished as I have been busy with family, dinner and homework. So will continue watching now.

So far I have heard this.

Over 3000 people interviewed
He was no angel. He carried knives, sold cannabis to friends and was interested in Satanism.
Prof Busitil has clearly been asked a very loaded question regarding what state the murderer could be in afterwards.
He does not mention Luke Mitchell's name. He has been asked a "hypothetical" question about a hypothetical killer and this will only be the edited part that suits Frontlines clearly biased agenda. The fact that we do not hear the question asked is pretty conclusive proof of that.

He does mention the fact that gloves could have been worn.
He does not say "I think Luke Mitchell is innocent."
Roy Ramm says if there are fibres from the murderer and it is heavy rain that it could be washed away. It was raining that night wasn't it?
Busitil says that it is a probablity that evidence may have been lost due to the rain too.
He also says the chances of transfer from assailant to victim is not that common.

I will be back soon with more comment.

prof bustil was asked a qustion and he gave his honest answer.

royy ram also expressed his doubts about the conviction.

and the behavior of loathen and borders police.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 08:44:PM
I have been watching this programme and taking notes from it. I have not yet finished as I have been busy with family, dinner and homework. So will continue watching now.

So far I have heard this.

Over 3000 people interviewed
He was no angel. He carried knives, sold cannabis to friends and was interested in Satanism.
Prof Busitil has clearly been asked a very loaded question regarding what state the murderer could be in afterwards.
He does not mention Luke Mitchell's name. He has been asked a "hypothetical" question about a hypothetical killer and this will only be the edited part that suits Frontlines clearly biased agenda. The fact that we do not hear the question asked is pretty conclusive proof of that.

He does mention the fact that gloves could have been worn.
He does not say "I think Luke Mitchell is innocent."
Roy Ramm says if there are fibres from the murderer and it is heavy rain that it could be washed away. It was raining that night wasn't it?
Busitil says that it is a probablity that evidence may have been lost due to the rain too.
He also says the chances of transfer from assailant to victim is not that common.

I will be back soon with more comment.

prof bustil was asked a qustion and he gave his honest answer.


royy ram also expressed his doubts about the conviction.

and the behavior of loathen and borders police.

We do not know exactly what question he was asked. He was not asked it on screen. Had he been asked it on screen they would have shown it for sure.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 08:46:PM
then how do you know the question was loaded.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 08:47:PM
you have to discuss everything and all possibiltys or theres no point discussing it.

I suppose all probabilities include accusing a grieiving mother and family of murdering Jodi or covering it up because someone else in the family may have done it according to you people.

There is no evidence whatsoever in what you are claiming.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 08:52:PM
will you stop trying to put words into other peoples mouths.

if what is going on on another forum bothers you  so much why dont you join that forum and tell them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 08:52:PM
then how do you know the question was loaded.

Because they have asked him a question and the question was not heard. Had they asked him a specific question for that answer they would have shown it. So they did not ask a specific question.

All you heard was the guy talking, who had clearly been having a conversation with Samantha Poling while its been recorded and they use bits and pieces of what is said.

I have seen it happen before on TV. Prof Butisil did not say Luke Mitchell was innocent.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 08:53:PM
will you stop trying to put words into other peoples mouths.

What words am I putting into someones mouth?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 08:54:PM
er that should be obvious.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 23, 2011, 09:30:PM
er that should be obvious.

I am entitled to my opinion. I have been reading the posts being made about the Jones family and others.
The words are coming out of Luke Mitchell Supporters Mouths not mine.

What is obvious is that you do not like any opinions or ideas that do not fit in with your theories.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 10:36:PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3035614.stm
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 10:41:PM
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Luke_Mitchell_-_Timeline
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: joolz1975 on May 23, 2011, 11:08:PM
Is there a link to this programme please??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 11:09:PM
its on the thread jools ill find it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 11:11:PM
here it is jools.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6640000/newsid_6640100?redirect=6640115.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: joolz1975 on May 23, 2011, 11:22:PM
here it is jools.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6640000/newsid_6640100?redirect=6640115.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1

Thankyou! Will watch it tommorow!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 11:46:PM
theres also this one from rough justice.

http://roughjusticetv.co.uk/rjlukefilm.htm
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 24, 2011, 12:28:AM
Maybe you can explain why Mrs hall was also banned and blocked from accessing the forum?

There is a big difference between fact and fantasy with the WAP forum falling into the latter category.  Luke Mitchell had every opportunity to commit murder on his 14 year-old girlfriend. He had the motive, the means and the opportunity.

The sad excuse for an alibi that he was at home preparing dinner at 5.15pm on Monday 30 June 2003 while Jodi Jones had her throat cut and was thereafter mutilated just doesn't cut it as far as the evidence by his own brother has it. He was charged with perverting the course of justice as was his mother. They were also warned in court as to the consequences of perjury. Says it all really doesn't it?

What punishement did the brother and mother recieve having been charged with perverting the course of justice? 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 12:31:AM
nothing the charges were all dropped just after the conviction.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 24, 2011, 12:48:AM
And just on cue up she pops.

Lets just say that I was misled into believing that the Jones family were involved in her murder. I most certainly don't believe this to be true any longer having looked at all the facts in the case.
The continued refusal by the Mitchell's to address their memory lapses is the clincher for me. Innocent people don't suddenly develop amnesia deary.

Could you point me in the direction of all the facts in this case that you have been able to look at, as I am interested in reading up on this case?  Are you saying that you actually thought the victims family were involved in this girls murder, why would you think that, never mind admit it?  Phew, this is scary stuff, what a thought!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 12:52:AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jodi_Jones
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 24, 2011, 12:56:AM
Indeed Sandy, that has always concerned me in that people who promote themselves as advocates for the wrongly accused could act in such a way which could only do harm to any investigation.

Unless of course they didn't want me to get to the truth in the first place which is always a possibility?

There are too many unanswered questions in that case for me.  Why did those very same people go out of their way to have the Jodi Jones forum closed down if they themselves had nothing to hide?   Their actions speaks volumes.

John you seem to know a lot about this case, are you a private investigator or something? Why does this case interest you?  Do you live where this murder occured?

This thread is very difficult to follow as I have to start reading from the bottom of the last page to work my way through, starting from the bottom on each page, very irritating.  Will try keep with it, as Im keen to read more but links to where I can read the facts of this case would be great, much appreciated.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 24, 2011, 01:06:AM
nothing the charges were all dropped just after the conviction.

but I thought John said they were charged with perverting the course of justice, and now your telling me the charges were dropped, is that right?  So basically, they were both innocent, and I come to this conclusion because if they had enough to make the charges stick they would have been severely punished by the courts.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 24, 2011, 12:31:PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jodi_Jones

Thank you, I've also found other links relating to the murder.  So far it certainly looks as if this young fellow has been convicted on circumstial evidence only.  Is it true that no one else apart from Luke Mitchell was taken to the police station immediately after the body was found?  Is it true there was semen/sperm and blood on the victims clothes belonging to the victims sister boyfriend? 

The person John that I have been asking questions, is this the same John, as in John Lamberton who claims to be a miscarriage of justice? This is a very difficult forum to navigate, if this is the same John Lamberton, could you point me in the direction of where his case is being discussed. Thank you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 12:37:PM
yes everything you state in your above post is true.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 24, 2011, 12:42:PM
Why did Luke Mitchell kill? His mother holds a clue

MELANIE REID

25 Jan 2005

AS EVER, the mother is key. Corinne Mitchell is at the heart of the mystery;

the answer to many questions. She is one person who can help explain why Luke Mitchell was able to become the monster he is - indeed, she perhaps understands better than the boy himself, for in her unhealthy relationship with him lies one explanation for his vile and violent actions.

I don't buy this "Luke was evil" stuff.

I think, too, that the focus on Marilyn Manson is to some degree a smokescreen; a frenzy of populist scaremongering about unpleasant teenage culture. Tens of thousands of youngsters adore Marilyn Manson; they don't become murderers. These things are far too facile. No, much of the blame for this tragedy must lie in what went wrong, a long time ago, in the boy's deepest emotional development.

You are what your childhood makes you. If we give credence to the basic psychological tenet that a child's connection with its mother is the biggest inf luence of all in shaping its adult life - as we should - then Corinne Mitchell must bear much responsibility for allowing a 14-year-old boy to become so disturbed that he could kill and maim the way he did. The "why?" is a question many would like her to answer.

It is abundantly clear that things were dreadfully amiss in the Mitchell household: there appears, from the evidence in court, beneath the wellmaintained, affluent surface, to have been a spiritual and psychological squalor which manifested itself in violence, pornography, underage sex, drug-taking, lack of cleanliness and an unusual physical intimacy between son and mother. The trial appeared to expose them as people adrift, cut off from normal emotional and behavioural frameworks.

According to the evidence in the trial, Mrs Mitchell, whose husband had moved out when Luke was 11, apparently had abrogated the role of parent. Friends say Luke "replaced his father and became the man of the family". It was exposed in court that this was a house where anything went.

Her elder son sat at home and looked at pornography on the internet during the day. Luke, her younger son and the favourite, was a little emperor. She did not appear to discipline him, or impose any limits on his behaviour.

She bought him knives. She lied for him. At home, he was allowed to sleep with underage girls; he smoked cannabis; he kept bottles of urine in his bedroom, which was described as a hovel. He stored computers on his bed and appeared to doss on a mattress on the f loor.

When the police came to arrest Luke, he was in his mother's bedroom with her. She claimed he was upset and she was comforting him. She betrayed her intense physical closeness to her son whenever they appeared in public: during the interview he gave to Sky News, she constantly stroked his neck and clung to him.
What motherwould publicly allow herself to caress her son's neck and face like that? And what 14-year-old son would, just as publicly, allow it to happen? During their controversial visit to Jodi's grave, the pair stood face to face in intimate embrace. Had you not known they were mother and son, you could almost have confused them for girlfriend and boyfriend.

Ian Stephen, a lecturer in forensic psychology at Glasgow Caledonian University and a criminal psychologist, is quoted as saying: "The whole relationship comes across as something quite different from normal. It is almost over-close. You are left with the impression that the son has almost taken on a partner's role. She is almost more like a girlfriend than a mother."

To witness Mrs Mitchell visiting her son in Polmont, the day after he was found guilty, was to be struck by how inappropriately she was dressed: in tight jeans, thigh-high boots, bare midriff. Again, this seemed a strange choice, given her very public role at the trial. It was hardly maternal.

Her conduct from the time of the murder to the conviction appears to suggest that her son, a mere child, had been handed inappropriate control in their relationship. At a time when a 14-year-old boy needs discipline, standards and a strong moral lead, it would appear Corinne Mitchell offered none of these things. Did her relationship with him tip over into a form of abuse?

No-one is saying that. But we can look at the facts which emerged from the trial and judge that this mother-son relationship was beyond the ken of what we recognise as normal.

Corinne Mitchell's own background is not straightforward. She is adopted; her adoptive parents were said to be from a travelling family who had settled south of Edinburgh and started a caravan business. She reportedly has a reputation for being confrontational and anti-authoritarian;

did she carry emotional scars from her own childhood into parenthood?

What went wrong between her and her younger son is something we will never know for sure. Only psychology can decipher the code of their unusual relationship. Many psychologists have written of the tension between parent and child; the established tenets of the science say that children denied appropriate parenting face difficulties trying to live a normal life or understand normal constraints. This would appear to explain why Luke Mitchell seemed to lack any moral roadmap in his life.

In psychological terms, it is often considered that a healthy, loving and supportive mother-son relationship is the most important thing necessary to provide the world with the historical and emotional foundations of culture, law, civility . . . and decency.

Even if we only accept this in the broadest terms, the theory has resonance in Jodi's murder, where these essential qualities were apparently absent in Luke Mitchell.

The modern theories of analysis say that a child's emotional life is inextricably bound up from the earliest age in a triangular relationship between themselves, their mother and their father. When things go wrong between the adults, or between parent and child, the child suffers anxieties and guilt. They feel at risk, excluded, responsible.

Nobody knows what Luke Mitchell went through as a little boy when his family fell apart. But it seems that something went drastically wrong after his father, an electrician, moved away.

In this way, broken families can create chaotic, fragmented lives. In this age of divorce, psychologists describe children "lost" because of estrangement between parents. "They cannot get on in life, because there is no living relationship in the lee of which they can prosper. Sometimes they stay very still, lest the stasis give way to something far worse, " says Robert Young, from the Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies at Sheffield University. The tragedy is that Luke Mitchell, a boy psychologically severed from decency and appropriate behaviour, did not stay very still. And that "something far worse" did indeed happen.

www.heraldscotland.com/.../why-did-luke-mitchell-kill-his-mother-holds-a-clue-1.64902
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 12:52:PM
another journlist on the moral high horse.

i mean loads of parents get divorced it dosent turn there ofspring into  killers.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 24, 2011, 12:59:PM
hello janet or is that john?

why quote one of the most discredited wafflers about in Melanie "not got a clue" Reid.
same old....john...wassupp...you not in the usa as to where you claimed to be going so use the janet user name you set up...yawn...after you dumped your sandy one..oh  the iceland volcano...eh?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 01:03:PM
smiffy 211 smites that must be the record.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 24, 2011, 02:23:PM
Proof that john lamberton loves me...but alas I shall dissapoint him for he will not be allowed up my back passage. :)

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 02:47:PM
oh go on smiffy you know you love him really.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 24, 2011, 05:38:PM
hello janet or is that john?

why quote one of the most discredited wafflers about in Melanie "not got a clue" Reid.
same old....john...wassupp...you not in the usa as to where you claimed to be going so use the janet user name you set up...yawn...after you dumped your sandy one..oh  the iceland volcano...eh?


I am not named John. Why are you calling me John?  My name is Janet. I live in Scotland not the USA. I posted the article because it was interesting.

I will be contacting the moderator of this forum because you have clearly mistaken me for someone else and are being quite abusive for no reason.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on May 24, 2011, 05:52:PM
hello janet or is that john?

why quote one of the most discredited wafflers about in Melanie "not got a clue" Reid.
same old....john...wassupp...you not in the usa as to where you claimed to be going so use the janet user name you set up...yawn...after you dumped your sandy one..oh  the iceland volcano...eh?


I am not named John. Why are you calling me John?  My name is Janet. I live in Scotland not the USA. I posted the article because it was interesting.

I will be contacting the moderator of this forum because you have clearly mistaken me for someone else and are being quite abusive for no reason.
Am I the only one who finds this a difficult forum to follow.
There seems to be so much in fighting that I lose the threads. can you please stick to the facts, instead of point scoring. Thank you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: joolz1975 on May 24, 2011, 05:57:PM
I watched that documentary today it was interesting and i feel Lukes mum did not come across very well at all.

I still have a lot to read up on this case.

If he is innocent then its a complete tragedy that a boy of 15 was locked up for it .............if hes innocent!

For me its always forensics that give the best proof in a case and it seems there was very little!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 05:58:PM
oh there was forensic evidence just none of it links to luke Mitchel.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 24, 2011, 05:59:PM
I agree with you totally Cliff.

I posted an article and all hell let loose.Anyway back to the case
this is the latest appeal to be refused below.



http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/9/714/LUKE-MUIR-MITCHELL-V-HMA
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: grahame on May 24, 2011, 06:50:PM
hello janet or is that john?

why quote one of the most discredited wafflers about in Melanie "not got a clue" Reid.
same old....john...wassupp...you not in the usa as to where you claimed to be going so use the janet user name you set up...yawn...after you dumped your sandy one..oh  the iceland volcano...eh?


I am not named John. Why are you calling me John?  My name is Janet. I live in Scotland not the USA. I posted the article because it was interesting.

I will be contacting the moderator of this forum because you have clearly mistaken me for someone else and are being quite abusive for no reason.
Am I the only one who finds this a difficult forum to follow.
There seems to be so much in fighting that I lose the threads. can you please stick to the facts, instead of point scoring. Thank you.
After reading Janet's post in the disclaimer I second that cliff.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on May 24, 2011, 06:57:PM
hello janet or is that john?

why quote one of the most discredited wafflers about in Melanie "not got a clue" Reid.
same old....john...wassupp...you not in the usa as to where you claimed to be going so use the janet user name you set up...yawn...after you dumped your sandy one..oh  the iceland volcano...eh?


I am not named John. Why are you calling me John?  My name is Janet. I live in Scotland not the USA. I posted the article because it was interesting.

I will be contacting the moderator of this forum because you have clearly mistaken me for someone else and are being quite abusive for no reason.
Am I the only one who finds this a difficult forum to follow.
There seems to be so much in fighting that I lose the threads. can you please stick to the facts, instead of point scoring. Thank you.
After reading Janet's post in the disclaimer I second that cliff.
Thank you grahame.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 24, 2011, 07:58:PM
This case is clearly a highly emotional one.

It is best to stick to facts that are part of the court case and not all the theories that are being tossed around.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on May 24, 2011, 08:05:PM
This case is clearly a highly emotional one.

It is best to stick to facts that are part of the court case and not all the theories that are being tossed around.
You are quite clearly involved in this case Janet. As I am not, I will observe from a distance.
With due respect.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 24, 2011, 08:30:PM
This case is clearly a highly emotional one.

It is best to stick to facts that are part of the court case and not all the theories that are being tossed around.
You are quite clearly involved in this case Janet. As I am not, I will observe from a distance.
With due respect.

I am not personally involved with this case Cliff. I do not know anyone involved in the case or the campaign. I do not even live near the area the murder occured. It is a case that has been pretty high profile in Scotland. My interest stems from watching what is said in the media and then looking at the main website and other sites. I actually used to think Luke Mitchell was innocent. Then I began looking at what was being written by supporters of Luke Mitchell, which in turn made me look at the appeals and other information.
I am totally appalled at how they speak about the victims family and the misinformation being put online.
In saying that if he is indeed innocent then these people are doing him a great diservice.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 09:29:PM
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Luke_Mitchell_-_Related_Media
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 09:34:PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/jul/01/ukcrime
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 24, 2011, 09:49:PM
you have to discuss everything and all possibiltys or theres no point discussing it.

I suppose all probabilities include accusing a grieiving mother and family of murdering Jodi or covering it up because someone else in the family may have done it according to you people.

There is no evidence whatsoever in what you are claiming.


OH YES JANET/john  ...how odd that in a later post you completely contradict yourself..
by then wanting to limit discussion as per this that you posted;

This case is clearly a highly emotional one.

It is best to stick to facts that are part of the court case and not all the theories that are being tossed around.

 :)
so you pointless then JANET...by your own previous words...so maybe you should go away and not come back..

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 24, 2011, 10:25:PM
Police reconstruction of Jodi's last movements.

(http://i.imgur.com/voLLA.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/8YILZ.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/1iVCq.jpg)

Jodi left home at about 4.55pm on Monday 30 June 2003 telling her mum to keep her some of her favourite lasagne that she was cooking for tea. Also at home was Jodi's brother Joseph and her mum's partner Allen Ovens.
Jodi had been grounded of late when her mother found out that she had been smoking cannabis with her boyfriend Luke Mitchell. She did not expect to be getting out this particular evening so was pleasantly surprised when her mother told her that she could go out as long as she was back by curfew.  Jodi used her mum's mobile phone to phone Luke as her own phone wasn't working and they arranged to meet up after 5pm.

I have been having a good read about this case and all early newspaper reports have the girl leaving home at 5.30pm, then the time changes as the days pass. How odd  :-\
I have also read that first statements by the mothers boyfriend state Jodi's brother wasnt at home.  The sister Janine said she had visited her mother's home and also said her older brother wasnt at home. (I have since read that this was a hypthetical scenario that was referred to.  However, statements were made that Janine was at her mothers home but the brother was not there, but it is not stated who made these statements) These statements then change, very strange  :o  Did Jodi not use her mothers phone to text Luke, did she actually make a call to Luke?  From what Ive read so far they exchanged texts, that someone deleted.
The above reconstruction has Jodi, walking down the path.  Why would they do this? The witness at no point said that the girl she saw walked towards or down the path.  This witness who saw a girl, she claimed could have been Jodi,  but I find this strange as she claimed not to have known Jodi when she gave this statement, so how could she have said it could have been Jodi, if she didnt know what she looked like.  The first pictures in the media were of a young 5/6 year old child, not a 14 year old girl, therefore I wonder how she came to this conclusion.  This same witness did not describe black hoody and black jeans, she said the person that she thought was Jodi had a navy hoody and blue jeans, Jodis mother said she left in a navy blue hoody and blue jeans, so why has the reconstruction got the girl dressed all in black.  I believe this was the clothes that were found scattered around the crime scene, but why did the police ask for witnessess and descriptions if they werent going to listen what was said.  I find this very confusing, as they have done a reconstruction to jog peoples memories, but dressed the victim in clothes that were nothing like the mother and witness described. ::)

Edited - in brackets.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 24, 2011, 11:20:PM
you have to discuss everything and all possibiltys or theres no point discussing it.

I suppose all probabilities include accusing a grieiving mother and family of murdering Jodi or covering it up because someone else in the family may have done it according to you people.

There is no evidence whatsoever in what you are claiming.


OH YES JANET/john  ...how odd that in a later post you completely contradict yourself..
by then wanting to limit discussion as per this that you posted;

This case is clearly a highly emotional one.

It is best to stick to facts that are part of the court case and not all the theories that are being tossed around.

 :)
so you pointless then JANET...by your own previous words...so maybe you should go away and not come back..

Why are you being so abusive?  I am pointless? because you think I am someone else?

I am not going away.

I am here to debate the Luke Mitchell case not to be accused of being someone else.

You are wrongly accusing people yet again. You are wrongly accusing me of being John and John of being me. and all because someone posts something that is not pro Luke.

 I AM NOT JOHN.

You will never realise how wrong you are but carry on discrediting the luke mitchell case and making sure anyone with real questions does not ask them, why would they when they get told they are lying?

this is what happens when anyone disagrees with these people. They accuse people of being other people. anything other than true facts of the case are not accepted it seems.
I have read about john lamberton and I am not impressed one bit how he treated people who were related to the Jones family either. Though he seems to have changed his opinon on that.  And if he got to US in the current situation then it would be surprising

I have also read his attacks on other posters on forums and he does not come over as being a nice person.

I AM NOT JOHN and am willing to speak to someone on the phone to prove it. Smiffy are you willing to talk to me? cos if you are let me know

This is just another diversion due to an article being posted that was not favourable to Mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 11:28:PM
Police reconstruction of Jodi's last movements.

(http://i.imgur.com/voLLA.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/8YILZ.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/1iVCq.jpg)

Jodi left home at about 4.55pm on Monday 30 June 2003 telling her mum to keep her some of her favourite lasagne that she was cooking for tea. Also at home was Jodi's brother Joseph and her mum's partner Allen Ovens.
Jodi had been grounded of late when her mother found out that she had been smoking cannabis with her boyfriend Luke Mitchell. She did not expect to be getting out this particular evening so was pleasantly surprised when her mother told her that she could go out as long as she was back by curfew.  Jodi used her mum's mobile phone to phone Luke as her own phone wasn't working and they arranged to meet up after 5pm.

I have been having a good read about this case and all early newspaper reports have the girl leaving home at 5.30pm, then the time changes as the days pass. How odd  :-\
I have also read that first statements by the mothers boyfriend state Jodi's brother wasnt at home.  The sister Janine said she had visited her mother's home and also said her older brother wasnt at home. These statements then change, very strange  :o  Did Jodi not use her mothers phone to text Luke, did she actually make a call to Luke?  From what Ive read so far they exchanged texts, that someone deleted.
The above reconstruction has Jodi, walking down the path.  Why would they do this? The witness at no point said that the girl she saw walked towards or down the path.  This witness who saw a girl, she claimed could have been Jodi,  but I find this strange as she claimed not to have known Jodi when she gave this statement, so how could she have said it could have been Jodi, if she didnt know what she looked like.  The first pictures in the media were of a young 5/6 year old child, not a 14 year old girl, therefore I wonder how she came to this conclusion.  This same witness did not describe black hoody and black jeans, she said the person that she thought was Jodi had a navy hoody and blue jeans, Jodis mother said she left in a navy blue hoody and blue jeans, so why has the reconstruction got the girl dressed all in black.  I believe this was the clothes that were found scattered around the crime scene, but why did the police ask for witnessess and descriptions if they werent going to listen what was said.  I find this very confusing, as they have done a reconstruction to jog peoples memories, but dressed the victim in clothes that were nothing like the mother and witness described. ::)

yes that is very odd
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 25, 2011, 01:04:AM
janet posted;

I am here to debate the Luke Mitchell case not to be accused of being someone else.  

oh...so discuss mitchell only...  only him...not anything else.
ok  fine..prove luke did what he was wrongly convicted of....using common sense and no lies..or false science etc

Now I would like to discuss the murder of Jodi Jones.  She was killed by a person that has been named but is not Luke Mitchell.
By the way  If a policeman says .."WE GOT YOU...WE HAVE YOUR SPERM ON HER BRA!(THE MURDER VICTIMS)...WHO SHOULD THEY SAY THAT TO?

the person whose sperm it is..or another person whose sperm it is not?
the sperm belonged to SK...
oh transfer from the t shirt ...borrowed ...without asking...from the sister....but the sister cannot say when or if she ever was involved in sex with SK that involved the t-shirt...
oh  the items were not in contact with each other when it rained...so not chance of rainwater casusing transfer.

why not sperm transferred from bra to t -shirt or both items soiled with sperm in the same sexual encounter?

odd as well that in her first statement she claimed to be in a different place and with different people at the relevant time to her later statements.
as a key witness and a giver of an alibi of someone who has to be a prime suspect...cant we trust this liar  and her liar of a boyfriend ...NO


oh JOEY...the "paranoid schizophrenic" as has been claimed by several people...the mentally ill brother known for attacks with bladed weapons...the one who stabbed his mother a few weeks before Jodi was killed...the cannabis using schizo....
His mummy the liar almighty...overprotective of her golden child...what a recipe for disaster.....the mummy that many would call an alcoholic ...the stepfather a younger cannabis user himself...

no back up to the claimed visit to the cemetery...why?  were they doing something else?? something they chose to hide....pulls on emotions to dare challenge anyone ever ever ever who claims to visit a cemetery...throw in a bug heart wrenching claim to gain sympathy to sell the lie...less likely to be challenged as lie than a claimed uncheckable visit to a park or somewhere else UNCHECKABLE.

There's more...enough for me to KNOW who killed Jodi...plenty more...to beyond reasonable doubt...I know who did it..... there are legal reasons why I cant tell you...but be patient...in time it will come out.

and then the likes of Janet and stupid Melanie Reid and others will have shown what perverted sicko fools they are for what they wrongly and unjustly said about Luke and his family.

for you have committed yourself JANET.....so in advance ..I have told you what you are...so no judging others when your the one that is wrong and at fault.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on May 26, 2011, 12:53:AM
It is totally pointless trying to discuss this case since all you do is attack the family of Jodi Jones.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 26, 2011, 09:28:AM
Whats your problem "janet".  are the jone's family sacred and saintly and not to be questioned on anything they claim?
If a jones family member claims anything it must be true...is that it...?
so if they claim incest by others it is true because they said it and having a family member murdered entitles them to say and do anything they want?

quite frankly...janet...you cannot have witnesses go unquestioned ...whoever they are...and when they give contradictory stories or tell blatant lies...that invites questioning and also allows other things to be inferred or implied.

rather than moan that you think I am unfair to the Jone's family for daring to question their words and actions ...try defending them...or is that a task you find difficult?

Jone's family members were instrumental in framing and lying in putting Luke wrongly in prison so that suggests they have a motive for acting like that. Could that motive be that it was a Jone's family member or friend of theirs that really killed Jodi? Remember ..the claimed evidence against Luke is entirely circumstantial...and of the dodgiest and flimsiest nature and contained many elements contributed by the Jones's family or their associates.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 26, 2011, 10:44:AM
you have to discuss everything and all possibiltys or theres no point discussing it.

I suppose all probabilities include accusing a grieiving mother and family of murdering Jodi or covering it up because someone else in the family may have done it according to you people.

There is no evidence whatsoever in what you are claiming.

I shall remind you of your own post again Janet.
Clearly in that post includes discussion and questioning of the Jones family.

you have cornered yourself ...so rather than try to discuss and reason through ..you go into ATTACK THE POSTER mode.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 26, 2011, 12:17:PM
Janet claims everybody supporting luke is speculating and that this unfair.
Quite a ridiculous claim really....
Is it not the case that circumstantial evidence itself is specualtion pure and simple? Of course it is.
Is it not the case that having a belief in something such as Luke's guilt or innocence itself is speculation?..Of course it is.

What about that Melanie Reid article that "Janet" posted.....that itself is full of MR's own speculation.

so either speculation is either fair or it is not and can be used to support any argument.
Janet in her own posts speculates as to various things...that is undeniable ..to support her/his claims.

lets be fair...speculation is part and parcel of life and decisions in courts etc and arguments in real life and in courts....

So Janet has again shot him/herself in the foot on this issue and looks silly and illogical.


LETS LOOK AT A BIT OF Melanie's article;

The modern theories of analysis say that a child's emotional life is inextricably bound up from the earliest age in a triangular relationship between themselves, their mother and their father. When things go wrong between the adults, or between parent and child, the child suffers anxieties and guilt. They feel at risk, excluded, responsible.

Nobody knows what Luke Mitchell went through as a little boy when his family fell apart. But it seems that something went drastically wrong after his father, an electrician, moved away.

hmm child /mother /father...when things go wrong....hmmm divorce...but Luke and Shane still see and visit their father...

MR is speculating as to something going wrong..but has no real evidence to support this.it is mere speculation....

now lets apply to the Jone's family...
children/mother/father...when things go wrong....hmmm father found dead hanging from a tree...
how well do the 3 children do then.....Joey mental health issues ....Janine self harming etc ...Jodi self harming etc.... mother has drink issues...new stepfather a drug user...and thats just for starters
Joey stabs his mother supposedly by accident when intending to attack another with the knife!!! etc etc etc

oh  lets just add...these are facts  not some MR speculations.

which family has a bigger recipe for disaster... ...?


janet ..you ATTACKED other posters for speculating..yet do it yourself...and as I have shown ..you had no foundation to attack other posters in such a manner .


will this prompt another bleating session of showing compassion etc for the family of the victim blah blah...all about playing on emotions...and an attack on anyone who dares question the victim's family?
There would be no questions  if they told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..but they did not!
I want the truth ..not lies

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 27, 2011, 12:59:PM
Another interesting point in this case is that there was never any reward offered for information which could see the perpetrator(s) properly convicted.  It has been suggested to Mitchell's family on several occasions that they offer such a reward but they are not interested. This in itself sends out the wrong message since if they truly believed in Luke's innocence they would stop at nothing to bring the real culprits to justice.   

They would rather try and sell their story to the local rag as Luke's grandmother, Ruby Guetta, attempted to do some time ago.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/2007/11/25/killer-s-granny-tries-to-sell-her-story-for-10k-78057-20158055/

It is the very same with the confidential hotline that you helped to set up John, they did nothing but ridicule it instead of supporting it.  They want to keep any information in the case within their own grasp and don't want to share anything of value.  They keep talking about progress but from what I have seen of their efforts they will be lucky to ever get a referral from the SCCRC.

At the end of the day there is no evidence which can clear Mitchell but plenty that can condemn him.

Hi Sandy, I have been reading up on this case lately.  Apart from a list of circumstial evidence used to convict Luke Mitchell, (which was scraping the barrel in my opinion), I have yet to come across any evidence that cant be explained, can you please give me a link to the condemning evidence against him.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 27, 2011, 01:08:PM
Oncesaid....
it may help if you addressed the question to John as he was the person posting under the username "sandy"...such is his dishonest nature.

John has no real evidence and makes many false claims.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 27, 2011, 01:18:PM
Police reconstruction of Jodi's last movements.

(http://i.imgur.com/voLLA.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/8YILZ.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/1iVCq.jpg)

Jodi left home at about 4.55pm on Monday 30 June 2003 telling her mum to keep her some of her favourite lasagne that she was cooking for tea. Also at home was Jodi's brother Joseph and her mum's partner Allen Ovens.

Jodi had been grounded of late when her mother found out that she had been smoking cannabis with her boyfriend Luke Mitchell. She did not expect to be getting out this particular evening so was pleasantly surprised when her mother told her that she could go out as long as she was back by curfew.  Jodi used her mum's mobile phone to phone Luke as her own phone wasn't working and they arranged to meet up after 5pm.

That's awful.  Her mum's gonna be desolate about not enforcing the curfew.

Oh this is so confusing, as I have read that Jodi was out all day on Sunday afternoon with Luke, helping to cut the grass at the caravan park and that she was also at Lukes on the Saturday night as his mother was out, and they had time on their own. That doesnt sound like someone who has been grounded and just had the grounding punishment lifted. 

It have also read that Jodi's brother was not at home, and this information is within the case files. :o This is very worrying, as most reports that I have read in the newspapers state that the brother was at home with the mother and her younger lover, but now we have the brother not at home, but the sister was, how can this be when she was supposed to be her fiance's alibi?  No wonder people are questioning the families account, as there seems to be a lot of chopping and changing of statements, why would this be? 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 27, 2011, 01:43:PM
thev have have explianed themselves time agian its not there fault if people have chosen to ignore what they have said.

im not sure what overwhelming evedence your talking about.

and i think the comprasion with the brigmingham 6 is perfectly reasonable.

The Mitchell family have failed to explain the inconsistencies in their own evidence.

Shane Mitchell stated to the court that he did not see his brother in the house that afternoon from 4pm until 5.15pm yet his brother Luke claims that he made the dinner for them all.  Not hard to see who is lying is it?

Why don't you face it Sandra, you all thought that he would get out on the 'Cadder' ruling but you were sorely mistaken.

Hold the bus... Shane Mitchell said he "didnt know" if his brother Luke was in the house, as he was upstairs on the internet.  Statements from the Jones household claim that Joseph was not at home but the sister Janine was.  Does this mean they are lying? 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 27, 2011, 01:51:PM
Oncesaid....
it may help if you addressed the question to John as he was the person posting under the username "sandy"...such is his dishonest nature.

John has no real evidence and makes many false claims.

Thanks, Im just working my way through from the beginning of the thread, pointing out some errors and/or misunderstandings that I have noticed along the way.  Its confusing enough so I will just reply to whoever has made the comment.  ;D

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: gordo30 on May 27, 2011, 04:38:PM
I have spent the most part of today on Luke's main site and about 50 pages of the forum and to say I'm confused is an understatement.

There can be no way these statements changed the way they did and have no one in the Police feel that there was nothing strange in it.

I understand the need for the police to get a result here but I also understand just why the Jones family have been questioned about their behavior and the statements ever since Luke's incarceration. There appear to be far more credible subjects in this case than any other I can think of and yet they go for Luke and manage(how the hell) to make that story stick!!!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 28, 2011, 02:49:PM
Or, if you were intelligent enough, you might keep your head down, show some respect and grieve at a distance...............

Exactly Shonapugs. Just what I have thought for a long long time.

I actually disagree with this.  Why should they have kept away?  They were being respectful by not attending the funeral when asked by JJ's family, but it was only natural they would have wanted to go to the graveside and pay their respects to someone they cared about.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 29, 2011, 03:19:AM
Or, if you were intelligent enough, you might keep your head down, show some respect and grieve at a distance...............

Exactly Shonapugs. Just what I have thought for a long long time.

I actually disagree with this.  Why should they have kept away?  They were being respectful by not attending the funeral when asked by JJ's family, but it was only natural they would have wanted to go to the graveside and pay their respects to someone they cared about.

its a very interesting one...
The implication...of asking/demanding that Luke not attend the funeral is an issue in itself.
The person(s) making the demand ..and then publically proclaiming all about it was more or less accusing Luke in public through the press on this issue...ie decided he was the murderer ...ie they acted as judge jury and executioner... not a good state of affairs...

But as Luke was not the killer...and I know who was!!!!!!! ...
How much did such an action influence the jury and/or public perception.


hypothetically
what if the killer, or those protecting the killer from justice, were party to the decision of  banning an innocent person who was  accused of the murder...then how do people see that...how cold and calculating are such people..??


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: bob on May 29, 2011, 11:06:AM
Or, if you were intelligent enough, you might keep your head down, show some respect and grieve at a distance...............

Exactly Shonapugs. Just what I have thought for a long long time.

I actually disagree with this.  Why should they have kept away?  They were being respectful by not attending the funeral when asked by JJ's family, but it was only natural they would have wanted to go to the graveside and pay their respects to someone they cared about.

its a very interesting one...
The implication...of asking/demanding that Luke not attend the funeral is an issue in itself.
The person(s) making the demand ..and then publically proclaiming all about it was more or less accusing Luke in public through the press on this issue...ie decided he was the murderer ...ie they acted as judge jury and executioner... not a good state of affairs...

But as Luke was not the killer...and I know who was!!!!!!! ...
How much did such an action influence the jury and/or public perception.


hypothetically
what if the killer, or those protecting the killer from justice, were party to the decision of  banning an innocent person who was  accused of the murder...then how do people see that...how cold and calculating are such people..??

I'm afraid it sounds like you are one of those "protecting the killer from justice" Smiffy, since you have used the phrase "Luke was not the killer...and I know who was". Or did you furnish the authorities with your certain information at the time of the inquiry?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on May 30, 2011, 07:27:AM
Bob...
I am not naming the killer at the moment as I would not want to hinder a future  trial of this person.
No, I am not concealing any information or protecting the killer from justice...but I know some of the people who have been.

How I know etc would not likely be useable as evidence in court but does not stop me from knowing just who the killer was and how it happened and how some of it was covered up.



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: grahame on June 05, 2011, 10:26:AM
bum.
bigwullie, we would appreciate it if you'd stop describing yourself in such graphic terms.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on June 05, 2011, 10:32:AM
bum.
bigwullie, we would appreciate it if you'd stop describing yourself in such graphic terms.
If you look at his other Grahame He says knickers. Do you think he may have a fettish.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: grahame on June 05, 2011, 10:33:AM
bum.
bigwullie, we would appreciate it if you'd stop describing yourself in such graphic terms.
If you look at his other Grahame He says knickers. Do you think he may have a fettish.
I think its a kid.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on June 05, 2011, 11:12:AM
ah ..this "bigwullie" poster...the person who is using this name is not the known poster Big wullie who posts on the shirley mckie and GI forum but someone else entirely. this person has a grudge with the real big wullie it seems  and this person is believed to be John Lamberton..who is known to have a grudge with the real big wullie ....and many other people.
the fake "bigwullie" has acted the same way on a number of forums before getting banned .
While not knowing for sure if it is John Lamberton...I and others have experienced a lot of john's abuse and deception on various forums particularly in regards to this case that are of a nature that fits with him being this fake "bigwullie"

whether it is john or not.... the person is a sad case and needs help with their mental health issues.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on June 05, 2011, 11:25:AM
ah ..this "bigwullie" poster...the person who is using this name is not the known poster Big wullie who posts on the shirley mckie and GI forum but someone else entirely. this person has a grudge with the real big wullie it seems  and this person is believed to be John Lamberton..who is known to have a grudge with the real big wullie ....and many other people.
the fake "bigwullie" has acted the same way on a number of forums before getting banned .
While not knowing for sure if it is John Lamberton...I and others have experienced a lot of john's abuse and deception on various forums particularly in regards to this case that are of a nature that fits with him being this fake "bigwullie"

whether it is john or not.... the person is a sad case and needs help with their mental health issues.
To bo honest smiffy, I agree with Grahame on this one, and think its a kid.
Probably a big one at that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: grahame on June 05, 2011, 11:29:AM
ah ..this "bigwullie" poster...the person who is using this name is not the known poster Big wullie who posts on the shirley mckie and GI forum but someone else entirely. this person has a grudge with the real big wullie it seems  and this person is believed to be John Lamberton..who is known to have a grudge with the real big wullie ....and many other people.
the fake "bigwullie" has acted the same way on a number of forums before getting banned .
While not knowing for sure if it is John Lamberton...I and others have experienced a lot of john's abuse and deception on various forums particularly in regards to this case that are of a nature that fits with him being this fake "bigwullie"

whether it is john or not.... the person is a sad case and needs help with their mental health issues.
To bo honest smiffy, I agree with Grahame on this one, and think its a kid.
Probably a big one at that.
in any case hes a big willie.  ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 06, 2011, 12:02:PM
bum.
bigwullie, we would appreciate it if you'd stop describing yourself in such graphic terms.
If you look at his other Grahame He says knickers. Do you think he may have a fettish.
I think its a kid.

I doubt that the real user big wullie would come on and say one word just for attention.  He's very vocal and likes to have his say and one word just wouldnt do it.  The FAKE big wullie is a complete moron, who goes round forums using words like condoms, tits, cock etc and sends users who support certain moj victims pm's with one of these words.  He only targets forums of those that he believes himself are not miscarriages of justice. 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: bob on June 06, 2011, 12:45:PM
bum.
bigwullie, we would appreciate it if you'd stop describing yourself in such graphic terms.
If you look at his other Grahame He says knickers. Do you think he may have a fettish.
I think its a kid.

I doubt that the real user big wullie would come on and say one word just for attention.  He's very vocal and likes to have his say and one word just wouldnt do it.  The FAKE big wullie is a complete moron, who goes round forums using words like condoms, tits, cock etc and sends users who support certain moj victims pm's with one of these words.  He only targets forums of those that he believes himself are not miscarriages of justice.

Well... it's nice to have a hobby I suppose...  :-\
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 06, 2011, 01:46:PM
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/press-articles-readers-comments/four-appeals-by-jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-cost-112-000-in-legal-aid/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 11, 2011, 07:45:PM
The High Court in Edinburgh has refused Mitchell permission to bring his case before the UK Supreme Court in London...now why am I not surprised?

Convicted killer Luke Mitchell's request to refer his case to the UK Supreme Court has been refused by judges at the High Court in Edinburgh.

Mitchell was trying to get his conviction for killing his girlfriend Jodi Jones, 14, in Midlothian in 2003, overturned.

But judges dismissed claims that his human rights were breached when he was questioned by police without a lawyer.

The 22-year-old now plans to appeal directly to the UK Supreme Court.

Mitchell was given a life sentence in 2005 after he was found guilty of murdering his girlfriend Jodi Jones in Dalkeith when he was 14.

(http://i.imgur.com/mrsEQ.jpg)

Read more... (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-13672255)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 11, 2011, 07:48:PM
Luke Mitchell's mum: Jodi Jones real killer is still out there...

LUKE Mitchell's mum yesterday (7 June) claimed that Jodi Jones' killer was still at large and a danger to women.

Her astonishing comment came minutes after judges refused her sadistic son permission to appeal to the Supreme Court.

Corinne hit out: "Luke didn't kill Jodi. The person who did knows who he is as do the people who have shielded him all these years.

"This fight will go on until this person is where he deserves to be. Until he is, none of our daughters are safe."

Read more... (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/06/08/luke-mitchell-s-mum-jodi-jones-real-killer-is-still-out-there-86908-23187604/)

(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/dailyrecord3/jun2011/2/3/corinne-mitchell-image-1-855122281.jpg)

Mitchell's mother Corinne (right) accompanied by personal advisor Sandra Lean leave the High Court in Edinburgh after yet another rebuff by the judicial establishment.


It still doesn't explain why big brother Shane gave evidence that he never saw Luke in the family home on the afternoon of the murder. Somebody must be telling the truth??  :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 11, 2011, 08:44:PM
I just had to repost this taken from Lean and Middleton's forum where the mother of the murdered Jodi Jones pleads for them to stop abusing her family....

(http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000nT1oC98CrJ8/s/750/750/JUDITH-JONES-DPPA02.JPG)

Judy Jones accompanied by daughter Janine speaks to reporters outside the High Court in Edinburgh.

"I wonder after all that is said and done, why any of you wonder at all! why not just say it out and out, why be obtrusive and full of hypothetical accounts. Could be that a lot of media are watching your space, why not just say it. You are all tipping the mark. Don't be concerned in respect of my family, we wont sue you. My xbabyx would be forever proud of all of you though.

lets see,
in your eyes, xjodix was abused in every format,x shex lived a life of hell and was scared of us all, we called her 'toad' because we wanted to abuse her further by sad bullying negatives. Xshex would be so proud of you all for the way you talk about xherx family, the people xshex held so close to xherx heart. You are all a bunch of cyber court bullies. Shame on you all for your defamation of my xbabyx for that is what you are doing. I have already said to Sandra that I can not understand why people who cry our system of justice down would do doubly worse in their attacks against people.

I or my family wont sue, so just say it as it is, dont be cowards behind words anymore, let all that may read any of this dribble see you all for what you are.Cowards with no thought or feeling of those it may affect.


And I will say again. xJodix would be disgusted with you all."

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/profile/?u=537;sa=showPosts)

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 11, 2011, 08:56:PM
Bad hair day girls?   :D

(http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000POcgNMa6aJU/s/750/750/CORINNE-MITCHELL-DPPA02.JPG)


Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell arrive at the High Court in Edinburgh.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 02:14:AM
Totally disgusted at they way Judy Jones and her family are being treated by these people.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 09:01:AM
Bad hair day girls?   :D

(http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000POcgNMa6aJU/s/750/750/CORINNE-MITCHELL-DPPA02.JPG)


Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell arrive at the High Court in Edinburgh.

you really have nothing to say do you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 09:15:AM
The High Court in Edinburgh has refused Mitchell permission to bring his case before the UK Supreme Court in London...now why am I not surprised?

Convicted killer Luke Mitchell's request to refer his case to the UK Supreme Court has been refused by judges at the High Court in Edinburgh.

Mitchell was trying to get his conviction for killing his girlfriend Jodi Jones, 14, in Midlothian in 2003, overturned.

But judges dismissed claims that his human rights were breached when he was questioned by police without a lawyer.

The 22-year-old now plans to appeal directly to the UK Supreme Court.

Mitchell was given a life sentence in 2005 after he was found guilty of murdering his girlfriend Jodi Jones in Dalkeith when he was 14.

(http://i.imgur.com/mrsEQ.jpg)

Read more... (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-13672255)

they allways do that.

all it means is an application will have to made directly.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 03:10:PM
Being released eventually on a technicality will do nothing for the Mitchell's credibility. In fact, such a release will only damage it further as it will be clearly seen that they cannot provide one single shred of evidence that Luke didn't murder Jodi Jones.

The difference in evidence given by the members of the Mitchell family leave me in no doubt that there are indeed questions to be asked about Luke and Shane's whereabouts and activities on the day of the murder.  Corinne and her fame grasping hangers-on talk about the Jones' version of events changing, at least the Jones family is consistent on the events which took place that afternoon not like the discredited version put out by the Mitchell clan.

Why are there no witnesses to Luke Mitchell's whereabouts after leaving school on 30 June 2003?

Why are there no witnesses to his alleged arriving home at 4.50pm that same day?

Why does Corinne Mitchell refuse to seek such witnesses? 

Says it all really!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 03:46:PM
but the victem was still alive then so it makes no difference.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 04:05:PM
So you keep saying and has no relevance to Mitchell's supposed whereabouts.

He claims to have been home by 4.50pm and this is uncorroborated even by his big bro who was at home after 5pm.  So who is the liar nuggy, Lukey or big bro?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 04:09:PM
Where is all this brilliant evidence now that the SCCRC was supposed to have considered?

The last time I looked at the SCCRC website, innuendo and theories don't count!   ;)



In paperwork lodged with the court, Mitchell's legal team argued that the Lord Advocate relied upon evidence identifying Mitchell which was "unfairly obtained and had the effect of rendering his trial unfair and in breach of the accused's rights".

They further argued that his interview with police, carried out when he was 15, was conducted in a way which was "oppressive and constituted an interrogation designed to break the accused and obtain an admission".

They also argued what was described in court as a "Cadder point", namely that Mitchell was interviewed as a suspect but was not given access to legal advice before being quizzed.

So where is there any evidence of his innocence?   Thought not!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 04:16:PM
Totally disgusted at they way Judy Jones and her family are being treated by these people.

I quite agree Janet, no wonder the Mitchell's come in for such public ridicule and to think that Corinne Mitchell and her mum tried to court the Press and get £10,000 for their trouble not so long ago.

What sort of a decent family attempt to gain financially from their own sons conviction and imprisonment??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 04:18:PM
So you keep saying and has no relevance to Mitchell's supposed whereabouts.

He claims to have been home by 4.50pm and this is uncorroborated even by his big bro who was at home after 5pm.  So who is the liar nuggy, Lukey or big bro?

his bro aint a convicted liar unlike yourself.

there was a witness anyway if you look on the other forum ill post a link up later.

jodis was still alive at 5pm.

so who cooked diner if it wasnt luke the dog.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 04:20:PM
Where is all this brilliant evidence now that the SCCRC was supposed to have considered?

The last time I looked at the SCCRC website, innuendo and theories don't count!   ;)



In paperwork lodged with the court, Mitchell's legal team argued that the Lord Advocate relied upon evidence identifying Mitchell which was "unfairly obtained and had the effect of rendering his trial unfair and in breach of the accused's rights".

They further argued that his interview with police, carried out when he was 15, was conducted in a way which was "oppressive and constituted an interrogation designed to break the accused and obtain an admission".

They also argued what was described in court as a "Cadder point", namely that Mitchell was interviewed as a suspect but was not given access to legal advice before being quizzed.

So where is there any evidence of his innocence?   Thought not!

dna is a bit more than a thoesry.

other mens sperm and blood and things like that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 04:21:PM
Totally disgusted at they way Judy Jones and her family are being treated by these people.

I quite agree Janet, no wonder the Mitchell's come in for such public ridicule and to think that Corinne Mitchell and her mum tried to court the Press and get £10,000 for their trouble not so long ago.

What sort of a decent family attempt to gain financially from their own sons conviction and imprisonment??

what decent person robs there dying aunty.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 04:25:PM
Totally disgusted at they way Judy Jones and her family are being treated by these people.

I quite agree Janet, no wonder the Mitchell's come in for such public ridicule and to think that Corinne Mitchell and her mum tried to court the Press and get £10,000 for their trouble not so long ago.

What sort of a decent family attempt to gain financially from their own sons conviction and imprisonment??

what decent person robs there dying aunty.

You never could give a straight answer could you?

Always hiding behind the village idiot theme...quite appropriate really for a serial scam and spam merchant.

The real nugnug uncovered (http://simplybillymiddleton.myfreeforum.org/forum1.php)

Remember this Billy?

http://video.stv.tv/bc/news-090310-s2-baby/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 04:34:PM
sory i though i just had.

can argue so he goes playing guess the poster how typically.

and man convicted of coning old ladys out of all the money is know position to call anyone else a scammer
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 04:41:PM
Everyone knows who you are nugnug so playing the dumb prick doesn't hold water any more.  Imagine being excluded from your own sons life because of your sordid practices.  What sort of an animal abuses his wife in such a manner that it takes her years to talk about it?  Sadist beast!

Why don't you tell us about your goings on in Edinburgh when you stayed with Miss Lean?  Did you ever get that psychiatric treatment for dissociative identity disorder ??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 04:47:PM
i thought you said i was a woman earler you kept calling me missy.

i think you lie quicker than you can think sometimes.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 04:49:PM
Everyone knows who you are nugnug so playing the dumb prick doesn't hold water any more.  Imagine being excluded from your own sons life because of your sordid practices.  What sort of an animal abuses his wife in such a manner that it takes her years to talk about it?  Sadist beast!

Why don't you tell us about your goings on in Edinburgh when you stayed with Miss Lean?  Did you ever get that psychiatric treatment for dissociative identity disorder ??

your wife gave evedence agianst you in a court of law so what did you do to her to make her do that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 04:55:PM
Everyone knows who you are nugnug so playing the dumb prick doesn't hold water any more.  Imagine being excluded from your own sons life because of your sordid practices.  What sort of an animal abuses his wife in such a manner that it takes her years to talk about it?  Sadist beast!

Why don't you tell us about your goings on in Edinburgh when you stayed with Miss Lean?  Did you ever get that psychiatric treatment for dissociative identity disorder ??

your wife gave evedence agianst you in a court of law so what did you do to her to make her do that.

Wrong nuggy, my wife never gave any evidence against me in relation to any charges, try harder and don't put so much faith in press reports provided by the Crown Office.

You of all people should know how they operate or do they have a different agenda when it comes to child murderers? 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 05:06:PM
Everyone knows who you are nugnug so playing the dumb prick doesn't hold water any more.  Imagine being excluded from your own sons life because of your sordid practices.  What sort of an animal abuses his wife in such a manner that it takes her years to talk about it?  Sadist beast!

Why don't you tell us about your goings on in Edinburgh when you stayed with Miss Lean?  Did you ever get that psychiatric treatment for dissociative identity disorder ??

your wife gave evedence agianst you in a court of law so what did you do to her to make her do that.

Wrong nuggy, my wife never gave any evidence against me in relation to any charges, try harder and don't put so much faith in press reports provided by the Crown Office.

You of all people should know how they operate or do they have a different agenda when it comes to child murderers?

come of it the crown office do a lot of dodgy but they dont make up witness they dont exist

they dont go around saying people gave evedence that dident why would they.

all the newspaper say she gave evdence agianst you did they all get it wrong.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 05:42:PM
Quote
all the newspaper say she gave evdence agianst you did they all get it wrong.

What about all the newspaper reports on Mitchell then? You bang on about news reports in his case being rubbish? Yet when it suits your own ends they are correct.
Double standards !!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 05:48:PM
this was court reporting i cant believe all the reporters saw someone in the witness box who wasn't there.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 05:53:PM
this was court reporting i cant believe all the reporters saw someone in the witness box who wasn't there.

So are the news articles about mitchell all true now then?

When you cannot answer a question you begin to attack other people. very mature,

No one takes what is said by the mitchell brigade seriously anyway.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 06:10:PM
you must take it seriously or you wouldn't bother doing this.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 06:52:PM
Off course she was there but she didn't give any evidence against me. In fact, she has been most helpful in my application to the SCCRC and has been able to provide information which was previously never heard.

The press wrongly assumed that because my wife was designated a Crown Witness that she was there to give evidence against me.

I must also point out yet again that the Press agency who transmitted the story never attended my trial and were never in a position to report what transpired.  They gleamed only what the discredited Inland Revenue later told them which was what they wanted them to hear.  You will find that every newspaper who carried the story ran with the same content, there was never any independent reporting in my case.

I have previously stated that some of the content is libellous and will be dealt with in due course.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 07:00:PM
they were there were not i think they'd no who gave evidence.

how would they know she was listed as witness if she dident give evedence.

more than one paper reported it so that's bullshit.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 07:01:PM
Off course she was there but she didn't give any evidence against me. In fact, she has been most helpful in my application to the SCCRC and has been able to provide information which was previously never heard.

The press wrongly assumed that because my wife was designated a Crown Witness that she was there to give evidence against me.

I must also point out yet again that the Press agency who transmitted the story never attended my trial and were never in a position to report what transpired.  They gleamed only what the discredited Inland Revenue later told them which was what they wanted them to hear.  You will find that every newspaper who carried the story ran with the same content, there was never any independent reporting in my case.

I have previously stated that some of the content is libellous and will be dealt with in due course.

ill take my chances bring it on.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 07:01:PM
So you keep saying and has no relevance to Mitchell's supposed whereabouts.

He claims to have been home by 4.50pm and this is uncorroborated even by his big bro who was at home after 5pm.  So who is the liar nuggy, Lukey or big bro?

his bro aint a convicted liar unlike yourself.

there was a witness anyway if you look on the other forum ill post a link up later.

jodis was still alive at 5pm.

so who cooked diner if it wasnt luke the dog.

Simple really, nobody cooked the dinner as Luke wasn't there and Shane was too busy wanking off to porno clips on his computer to be bothered or was that the other way round, Shane wasn't there and it was Lukey who was on the computer?

We never did get to the bottom of that one.  Maybe the wrong brother is in prison?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 07:02:PM
Off course she was there but she didn't give any evidence against me. In fact, she has been most helpful in my application to the SCCRC and has been able to provide information which was previously never heard.

The press wrongly assumed that because my wife was designated a Crown Witness that she was there to give evidence against me.

I must also point out yet again that the Press agency who transmitted the story never attended my trial and were never in a position to report what transpired.  They gleamed only what the discredited Inland Revenue later told them which was what they wanted them to hear.  You will find that every newspaper who carried the story ran with the same content, there was never any independent reporting in my case.

I have previously stated that some of the content is libellous and will be dealt with in due course.

ill take my chances bring it on.

I have everything I need already thank you and that includes your Plusnet account details!   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 07:19:PM
do you worst ive also got yours.

ill while wait to hear from your solicitor.

a service provider will not give you anyone s detials to you unless a writ is issued so your talking bollocks mate.

if they were to do that it would be serious breach of data protection act.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 08:59:PM
Given yourself away again chump!!   ;D


You are such a bag of hot air Middleton, do you honestly think folk don't know all about you by now?

I look forward to the Forrest Gump act later this year...that is if you have the guts to face folk away from mummy's sitting-room!!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 09:24:PM
how have i given myself away exactly.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 09:34:PM
Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton condemned by Jodi's mother accusing them of abusing Jodi in their cyber court.

(http://i.imgur.com/RsRLW.jpg)

Article taken from The Sunday Post today.


Middleton's failure to take any responsibility for his behaviour and lack of any remorse is quite evident in his post today on the WAP forum. A repeat of the same cold calculated demeanour exhibited by him following the death of his daughter in a house fire when he went on to blame everyone but himself.

Strange that as he was the only adult in the house when no less than two fires took hold at the same time.  Three fire investigators including one engaged by the defence later reported that the fires were started deliberately.

http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg14785/#msg14785
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 09:49:PM
he was found innocent.

unlike yourself.

the judge said you showed no remorse,
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 09:55:PM
he was found innocent.

unlike yourself.

the judge said you showed no remorse,

actually that was a not proven verdict.  Mr Middleton also tried to blame his wife for the fires.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 09:58:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 10:10:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

It might mean it in law, but we all know what it really means don't we?

Who gave you permission to be the spokesperson for Luke Mitchell?

because he (John) seems to be one of the only people on this forum who is capable of having a conversation and asks serious questions about the case, that people like you want to avoid.

What exactly is it you are trying to infer by your comment? Is this yet another diversionary tactic to avoid the real subject?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 10:13:PM
i dont need anyone's permission.

ive chosen to do so thats it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 10:15:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

It might mean it in law, but we all know what it really means don't we?

Who gave you permission to be the spokesperson for Luke Mitchell?

because he (John) seems to be one of the only people on this forum who is capable of having a conversation and asks serious questions about the case, that people like you want to avoid.

What exactly is it you are trying to infer by your comment? Is this yet another diversionary tactic to avoid the real subject?

so changing the subject from luke mitchell to billy midellton isnt a diverson.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 10:18:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

It might mean it in law, but we all know what it really means don't we?

Who gave you permission to be the spokesperson for Luke Mitchell?

because he (John) seems to be one of the only people on this forum who is capable of having a conversation and asks serious questions about the case, that people like you want to avoid.

What exactly is it you are trying to infer by your comment? Is this yet another diversionary tactic to avoid the real subject?

so changing the subject from luke mitchell to billy midellton isnt a diverson.

I didn't bring Middletons name into this conversation. You and John did that when you, yourself started bringing Mr Lamberton's case into the so called debate.  I only commented on what had already been said.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 10:20:PM
i dont need anyone's permission.

ive chosen to do so thats it.

I would be guessing you would need some sort of permission to discuss parts of the case on forums. So why don't you attend appeals and speak to the media then?

You are doing a grand job here in putting people off the case. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 10:33:PM
you dont need anyones permission to discuss things on forums if you did this forum wouldn't be here.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 10:39:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

Not proven means that the jury believe you are most probably guilty but haven't got the evidence to prove it.  We all know those fires were set maliciously, your ex-wife says so, your niece says so and they were there that night too.

Best of luck to Kareen when she gets remarried later this year. How does it feel having your son call another man daddy?  Happy days!!   ;)

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 10:44:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

Not proven means that the jury believe you are most probably guilty but haven't got the evidence to prove it.  We all know those fires were set maliciously, your ex-wife says so, your niece says so and they were there that night too.

Best of luck to Kareen when she gets remarried later this year. How does it feel having your son call another man daddy?  Happy days!!   ;)

only the jury would know what they were thinking when they reached.

and a jury found you guilty.

and by your own arguments on here i cant see how they could possibly be wrong.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 10:51:PM
nugnug where do you get off attacking people who are claiming to be Miscarriage of Justices without knowing all the facts of the case? Attack the evidence but you cannot do that because you do not have all the evidence and facts in either Mr Lamberton's case or the Mitchell case.

Once again you have shown yourself to be nasty and vindictive, and also diverting from the topic which is about the Jodi Jones murder. Luke Mitchell must be very proud of you I am sure. lol
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 10:57:PM
nugnug where do you get off attacking people who are claiming to be Miscarriage of Justices without knowing all the facts of the case? Attack the evidence but you cannot do that because you do not have all the evidence and facts in either Mr Lamberton's case or the Mitchell case.

Once again you have shown yourself to be nasty and vindictive, and also diverting from the topic which is about the Jodi Jones murder. Luke Mitchell must be very proud of you I am sure. lol

by his own arguments he cant be innocent.

and if he cant take it he shouldn't dish it out

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 12, 2011, 11:02:PM
nugnug where do you get off attacking people who are claiming to be Miscarriage of Justices without knowing all the facts of the case? Attack the evidence but you cannot do that because you do not have all the evidence and facts in either Mr Lamberton's case or the Mitchell case.

Once again you have shown yourself to be nasty and vindictive, and also diverting from the topic which is about the Jodi Jones murder. Luke Mitchell must be very proud of you I am sure. lol

by his own arguments he cant be innocent.

and if he cant take it he shouldn't dish it out

The biggest amount of people would rise above it and stick to the facts nugnug.
If you are so adamant Mitchell is innocent then should you not be trying to post coherent and credible evidence instead of bitching about other posters all the time? People will not always agree with you and just because they do not agree does not mean you have to be nasty to them. That loses you and your campaign support.

And no I don't particularly care about you losing support. It is just an observation I have made.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 11:13:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

Not proven means that the jury believe you are most probably guilty but haven't got the evidence to prove it.  We all know those fires were set maliciously, your ex-wife says so, your niece says so and they were there that night too.

Best of luck to Kareen when she gets remarried later this year. How does it feel having your son call another man daddy?  Happy days!!   ;)

only the jury would know what they were thinking when they reached.

and a jury found you guilty.

and by your own arguments on here i cant see how they could possibly be wrong.

I am quite content for now that 7 members of the jury held that I was not guilt but then that is the pathetic Scottish system that stands for a Justice in a third world country.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 11:18:PM
Nugnug or should I say Billy Middleton hasn't the first notion what stands for the truth in the Luke Mitchell case Janet. That is true for the Kate Prout case and all the others he claims to support. 

He cannot even provide a single shred of evidence in support of Luke Mitchell yet he claims to be the saviour for everyone else. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.

The evidence before the jury in the Mitchell case was extremely damming in relation to Mitchell and his escapades.  What we know is that Mitchell was out of control for a child of 14 years of age. There was no parental control and a complete absence of discipline of any sort.
 
How many other 14 year old children operate a drugs packaging operation from their bedroom routinely selling cannabis to school friends as if it were sweeties?



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 11:24:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

Not proven means that the jury believe you are most probably guilty but haven't got the evidence to prove it.  We all know those fires were set maliciously, your ex-wife says so, your niece says so and they were there that night too.

Best of luck to Kareen when she gets remarried later this year. How does it feel having your son call another man daddy?  Happy days!!   ;)

only the jury would know what they were thinking when they reached.

and a jury found you guilty.

and by your own arguments on here i cant see how they could possibly be wrong.

I am quite content for now that 7 members of the jury held that I was not guilt but then that is the pathetic Scottish system that stands for a Justice in a third world country.

we only your word it was 8/7 ive seen no evidence of this.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 11:25:PM
in law not proven means innocent.

how come you and john keep posting at the same time.

he goes away you go away he comes back you come back.

Not proven means that the jury believe you are most probably guilty but haven't got the evidence to prove it.  We all know those fires were set maliciously, your ex-wife says so, your niece says so and they were there that night too.

Best of luck to Kareen when she gets remarried later this year. How does it feel having your son call another man daddy?  Happy days!!   ;)

only the jury would know what they were thinking when they reached.

and a jury found you guilty.

and by your own arguments on here i cant see how they could possibly be wrong.

I am quite content for now that 7 members of the jury held that I was not guilt but then that is the pathetic Scottish system that stands for a Justice in a third world country.

we only your word it was 8/7 ive seen no evidence of this.

You don't really know much then do you with all your scams and spamming experience?   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2011, 11:29:PM
Nugnug or should I say Billy Middleton hasn't the first notion what stands for the truth in the Luke Mitchell case Janet. That is true for the Kate Prout case and all the others he claims to support. 

He cannot even provide a single shred of evidence in support of Luke Mitchell yet he claims to be the saviour for everyone else. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.

i thought you said i was a woman before your mind up.

i thought you said smiffy was billy Middleton.

i havent seen one shred evedence to say your inocent.

so dna and other mens  sperm and blood isnt evidence.

and 2 other people being present at the murder scene and not being able to say why isn't evidence.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 12, 2011, 11:41:PM
I am certainly not interested in your opinion in relation to my case nugget.  Never have been and most certainly never will be.  Your opinion counts for absolutely nothing at the end of the day since it the courts that count and not a cyber court as Mrs Jones referred to WAP.

Stick to the subject matter if you have the intelligence to do so.

This is the Jodi Jones thread.

(http://i.imgur.com/vDshC.jpg)

Jodi Jones in happier times before her brutal murder by sadistic killer Luke Mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on June 13, 2011, 07:44:AM
why do you keep making false claims about people john lamberton... ..people do see through your nastiness and fiction....and see you for the repulsive person that you are.

btw..I KNOW who really killed Jodi Jones......so your claims about Luke are vile...just as vile as you, Jodi's real killer and those who shielded Jodi's real killer.


ps folks  nugnug is not myself nor is he Billy Middleton....but John Lamberton is a justly convicted criminal.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 13, 2011, 08:16:AM
I notice that both the Record and Sun have followed on with the story from the Sunday Post. Other papers may also have done likewise.

If these papers actually read what has been written on these forums they will find there has indeed been great disrespect towards Jodi and her family. The now defunct Fact and Myth had a lot of terrible comments.

Smiffy how do you know someone else killed Jodi and who "he is and who is shielding him"? What proof do you have?


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/06/13/mum-of-murdered-jodi-jones-brands-luke-mitchell-a-sociopath-86908-23198262/

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3633801/Jodi-Jones-mum-Killer-had-no-emotion-as-I-cuddled-him.html
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on June 13, 2011, 11:21:AM
Be patient.
Judy ...oh  ....best not say too much...from my posts she may brand me a paranoid schizphrenic  or call me a liar when she is a person known to have difficulties in recalling the truth.
Though she may have particular experience of paranoid schizophrenics of a violent kind I find her judgements to be clouded by bias and her drink issues for her to form any valid opinion of me on forums etc.


I know things you dont know ....
 :)


oh by the way "Janet"...I suggest you go read back through your posts as its clear from paying attention to them that your a blatant liar. Claims you make in some posts being shot down in other posts you make....your not doing a good job using this fantasy persona...losing track of yourself.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 13, 2011, 12:18:PM

oh by the way "Janet"...I suggest you go read back through your posts as its clear from paying attention to them that your a blatant liar. Claims you make in some posts being shot down in other posts you make....your not doing a good job using this fantasy persona...losing track of yourself.

So show me the lies you allege I have posted!! As usual you have to resort to insults.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 12:49:PM
I notice that both the Record and Sun have followed on with the story from the Sunday Post. Other papers may also have done likewise.

If these papers actually read what has been written on these forums they will find there has indeed been great disrespect towards Jodi and her family. The now defunct Fact and Myth had a lot of terrible comments.

Smiffy how do you know someone else killed Jodi and who "he is and who is shielding him"? What proof do you have?


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/06/13/mum-of-murdered-jodi-jones-brands-luke-mitchell-a-sociopath-86908-23198262/

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3633801/Jodi-Jones-mum-Killer-had-no-emotion-as-I-cuddled-him.html
im glad the press picked up now people will be looking to see what was said.

the post articall was very fair i thought.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 01:08:PM
Smiffy is a bum Janet and we all know it to be so.  You and I know all too well who the great smiffy really is and a bigger lump of lard one would never find if one tried.  Yes, he knows who killed Jodi Jones but then again you and I and most of Scotland know who killed her too.

LUKE MITCHELL murdered Jodi Jones and then set about brutalising her corpse by slitting her eyelids and almost removing her throat and gouging her abdomen.  What sort of a depraved animal would do such a thing to a beautiful young lass who had most of her life before her??

Yes, we all why the likes of Sandra Lean and Billy (the scammer) Middleton want to disrespect the Jones family in general and Jodi Jones in particular.  Lean in particular is a snake in the grass, she says one thing in private and another in public when her discredited reputation is about to go down the toilet.

Well done to the Daily Record and The Scottish Sun for following up on the recent comments and exposing the Wrongly Accused retards for what they really are.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 01:19:PM
Be patient.
Judy ...oh  ....best not say too much...from my posts she may brand me a paranoid schizphrenic  or call me a liar when she is a person known to have difficulties in recalling the truth.
Though she may have particular experience of paranoid schizophrenics of a violent kind I find her judgements to be clouded by bias and her drink issues for her to form any valid opinion of me on forums etc.


I know things you dont know ....
 :)


oh by the way "Janet"...I suggest you go read back through your posts as its clear from paying attention to them that your a blatant liar. Claims you make in some posts being shot down in other posts you make....your not doing a good job using this fantasy persona...losing track of yourself.

Typical of a scum bag coward to ridicule a woman for drinking when her beautiful 14 year-old daughter was murdered by the psycho Luke Mitchell but then again murder is no stranger to the smiffy family is it?

Judy offered her open arms to the cold blooded killer but then saw for herself what sort of a person he really is.

I think if anyone has difficulty in recalling the truth it is the Mitchell's, who cannot even agree who was in their house the afternoon of the murder.  

So funny if it wasn't so so sad!! :D :D



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 01:41:PM
Smiffy is a bum Janet and we all know it to be so.  You and I know all too well who the great smiffy really is and a bigger lump of lard one would never find if one tried.  Yes, he knows who killed Jodi Jones but then again you and I and most of Scotland know who killed her too.

LUKE MITCHELL murdered Jodi Jones and then set about brutalising her corpse by slitting her eyelids and almost removing her throat and gouging her abdomen.  What sort of a depraved animal would do such a thing to a beautiful young lass who had most of her life before her??

Yes, we all why the likes of Sandra Lean and Billy (the scammer) Middleton want to disrespect the Jones family in general and Jodi Jones in particular.  Lean in particular is a snake in the grass, she says one thing in private and another in public when her discredited reputation is about to go down the toilet.

Well done to the Daily Record and The Scottish Sun for following up on the recent comments and exposing the Wrongly Accused retards for what they really are.

ohhh you bitch lol.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 01:47:PM
This is the best the self professed expert Sandra Lean can come up with when asked yet again why she knows Luke Mitchell is innocent..

I have been asked how I can state "Luke did not kill Jodi." It's actually very simple. Take all of the known facts, lay them side by side, work out what they mean in reality, and you find a set of events which make it impossible for Luke to have been the killer.

Link (http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg14834/#msg14834)

So he didn't have a motive , means and the opportunity then??   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 01:57:PM
I have taken your advice Sandra and it led me to the very opposite conclusion that Luke Mitchell did murder Jodi Jones and that his family are covering up for him.

Mitchell had ample time to plan his dastardly deed on 30 June 2003.  He was never seen leaving school and was never seen going home at any time.

Two brothers who supposedly were at home at the same time never saw each other. Apparently a ghost made Shane's tea and burned the chicken pie too.

Luke was seen loitering by the end of Roan's Dyke footpath at 5.42pm (27 mins after the murder some 150m away) by no less than two independent witnesses who described him and his clothing perfectly.

Mitchell had the tools to commit murder and had previously used the knife in a menacing manner.


Simple really!   ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 02:06:PM
exept the 2 witness described a man in his early late teens or early twentys who had shoulder length hair

so they dident see luke mitchell.

jodi was alive till 5pm

how did luke mitchell clean awaw all traces of dna but leave other peoples on there.

other mens sperm and blood.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 04:24:PM
You mean like this?

(http://i.imgur.com/q2wEg.png)

Luke Mitchell leaving home shorty after the murder having been identified as a suspect.

You should be asking why there was none of his DNA on her or her clothing when he had been with her earlier in the day in any event?

It seems he did a good clean-up job after all!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 04:38:PM
thats not shoulder lenth hair thats collar lenth google shoulder length hair.

how could he clean his up and leave other peoples on there.

how come didpite jodi fighting fo her life he dident have a mark on him not a scratch.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 05:02:PM
So how did Jodi fight for her life exactly when she had no foreign DNA on her hands or nails?

We know she was bludgeoned from behind and then had her throat cut.

Jodi never touched her attacker...do keep up!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on June 13, 2011, 05:13:PM
Jodi never touched her attacker...do keep up!
I know nothing of this case John, only what I have read on here.
It does seem strange about the dna not being on either the victim, or the accused.
Is it a fact that two types of sperm were found on the girl, or is this just hearsay.
I must point out that I have no interest either way, just curious.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 05:18:PM
There were numerous unidentified DNA profiles found on the victim. 

One profile however was identified as coming from the victim's sister's boyfriend. The profile came from a t-shirt which the victim had earlier borrowed from her sister.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on June 13, 2011, 05:30:PM
There were numerous unidentified DNA profiles found on the victim. 

One profile however was identified as coming from the victim's sister's boyfriend. The profile came from a t-shirt which the victim had earlier borrowed from her sister.
Thanks for that John,But I still fail to see the link to the accused.
I suppose the police tried to make a match of the other dna found on the victim with friends ect.
Were the police able to rule out this dna as not important.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 05:32:PM
exept her sister dident rember her borrowing it.

couldent recognise it is hers untill many days later.

how would bllod get on your girlfriends t shirt sperm dont need explaining blood does.

how does sperm get from the front of a t shirt to the strap of a bra.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 05:33:PM
There were numerous unidentified DNA profiles found on the victim. 

One profile however was identified as coming from the victim's sister's boyfriend. The profile came from a t-shirt which the victim had earlier borrowed from her sister.
Thanks for that John,But I still fail to see the link to the accused.
I suppose the police tried to make a match of the other dna found on the victim with friends ect.
Were the police able to rule out this dna as not important.

They did and unsuccessfully.  The strange thing is that Mitchell didn't have any of Jodi's DNA on his clothing nor his on her when they had been together (close contact) earlier that day.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 05:34:PM
So how did Jodi fight for her life exactly when she had no foreign DNA on her hands or nails?

We know she was bludgeoned from behind and then had her throat cut.

Jodi never touched her attacker...do keep up!

the patholigist said she fought for her life but luke mitchell dident have a mark on him.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 05:39:PM
There were numerous unidentified DNA profiles found on the victim. 

One profile however was identified as coming from the victim's sister's boyfriend. The profile came from a t-shirt which the victim had earlier borrowed from her sister.
Thanks for that John,But I still fail to see the link to the accused.
I suppose the police tried to make a match of the other dna found on the victim with friends ect.
Were the police able to rule out this dna as not important.

They did and unsuccessfully.  The strange thing is that Mitchell didn't have any of Jodi's DNA on his clothing nor his on her when they had been together (close contact) earlier that day.

 but theres no evedence they had been in close contact.

they say each other at scholl.

now if they dident touch each other there wouldent be.

luke mitchells hair was dirty and unwashed acording to the police.

his finger nails were dirty as well so how could he have cleaned himself up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 05:41:PM
So how did Jodi fight for her life exactly when she had no foreign DNA on her hands or nails?

We know she was bludgeoned from behind and then had her throat cut.

Jodi never touched her attacker...do keep up!

the patholigist said she fought for her life but luke mitchell dident have a mark on him.

How did she fight?   Can't wait to hear this one!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 05:45:PM
There were numerous unidentified DNA profiles found on the victim. 

One profile however was identified as coming from the victim's sister's boyfriend. The profile came from a t-shirt which the victim had earlier borrowed from her sister.
Thanks for that John,But I still fail to see the link to the accused.
I suppose the police tried to make a match of the other dna found on the victim with friends ect.
Were the police able to rule out this dna as not important.

They did and unsuccessfully.  The strange thing is that Mitchell didn't have any of Jodi's DNA on his clothing nor his on her when they had been together (close contact) earlier that day.

 but theres no evedence they had been in close contact.

they say each other at scholl.

now if they dident touch each other there wouldent be.

luke mitchells hair was dirty and unwashed acording to the police.

his finger nails were dirty as well so how could he have cleaned himself up.

You are an idiot nugget, just an upstart from beginning to end.  You know dam fine that they were seen together by other pals who had joined them for their daily get together at lunchtime.  Don't come this crap with me mate because I know the facts of this case.

Mitchell went out into the woods after the murder, does that give even you any clues?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 05:58:PM
So how did Jodi fight for her life exactly when she had no foreign DNA on her hands or nails?

We know she was bludgeoned from behind and then had her throat cut.

Jodi never touched her attacker...do keep up!

the patholigist said she fought for her life but luke mitchell dident have a mark on him.

How did she fight?   Can't wait to hear this one!

she fought for her life thats a fact the patholigists said so in court.

but luke Mitchell dident have a mark on him.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 06:01:PM
So how did Jodi fight for her life exactly when she had no foreign DNA on her hands or nails?

We know she was bludgeoned from behind and then had her throat cut.

Jodi never touched her attacker...do keep up!

the patholigist said she fought for her life but luke mitchell dident have a mark on him.

How did she fight?   Can't wait to hear this one!

she fought for her life thats a fact the patholigists said so in court.

but luke Mitchell dident have a mark on him.

That's because she got slashed on her upper limbs while fending off the knife attack. She never made contact with her attacker since she was incapable of doing so.  Jodi's fingernails contained only material from Jodi, she never touched her attacker no matter how much she struggled to get away.  I wonder how far you would get if bludgeoned over the head with a large stick?


Only her boyfriend would have been on that side of the wall with her in any event. It is not the sort of place you go with a stranger or other boys even if they were known to her.

Have you ever been to the scene Nugget?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 06:23:PM
the patholigist said she fought for her life now haveing no medical knowledge i have to go with that and you aint qualfied to say otherwise.

jodi often used the path alone.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 13, 2011, 11:47:PM
So you know this path then nugget.  Have you ever been to it?

Which part of defensive wounds don't you understand. Maybe you should get Sandra to explain this for you being that little bit dim!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 13, 2011, 11:54:PM
and what part of fought for her life dont you understand.

they dident say struggled they said fought for her life.

there was no forensic clean up becouse luke wasnt clean simple really.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 02:45:AM
Whom did she fight and what did she use because it most certainly wasn't her hands or nails according to the pathologist?

Oh he was forensically clean alright and then went up the woods to get uncontaminated dirt on him prior to any examination.  Do you think the authorities are stupid nugget?

You never could answer the questions about Luke's whereabouts after leaving school and the discrepancies in the brothers evidence, neither could Corinne Mitchell.

If I recall she complained about her blood pressure the last time she was caught out...not surprised really as she was nailed to the floor.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 03:04:AM
Judy Jones referred to Mitchell as a SOCIOPATH>>>

Profile of the Sociopath

Some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They     appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioural Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behaviour Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioural and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviours such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behaviour/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths.


It seems Judy was well briefed!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on June 14, 2011, 11:49:AM
and persons under 18 years of old cannot be diagniosed  as  sociopaths ..Luke was 14 years old

so judy jones  is an idiot making stupid wild claims about Luke that have no basis...so what is her hidden agenda?...why do that...is she sheilding the real killer..is that why she has lied so much?

your a nasty idiot too john  as well as a  liar..

you seem to fit the profile for being a sociopath fairly well John.....it does not make you a murderer though...for many sociopaths do not kill.

ha ha john...your no longer in the information loop ...
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 12:55:PM
Whom did she fight and what did she use because it most certainly wasn't her hands or nails according to the pathologist?

Oh he was forensically clean alright and then went up the woods to get uncontaminated dirt on him prior to any examination.  Do you think the authorities are stupid nugget?

You never could answer the questions about Luke's whereabouts after leaving school and the discrepancies in the brothers evidence, neither could Corinne Mitchell.

If I recall she complained about her blood pressure the last time she was caught out...not surprised really as she was nailed to the floor.


yes i know the authority are stupid

big forensic clean up then got dirty agian

dirt under after hes supposed to have cleaned when did he have time to get dirty.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 12:57:PM
Judy Jones referred to Mitchell as a SOCIOPATH>>>

Profile of the Sociopath

Some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They     appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioural Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behaviour Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioural and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviours such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behaviour/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths.


It seems Judy was well briefed!

i think she got the name wrong i think she was talking about you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 01:12:PM
Information loop?  How little you know really at the end of the day.

Why don't you come out and say that your brilliant theory is that Joey Jones killed his own sister in a moment of violent rage because that is what you numpties at WAP have been promoting for weeks now?

No wonder Jodi's mother is enraged at your attacks upon her and her family.  No wonder the local Press have taken up this story at the expense of the Mitchell circus entourage.

How anyone could possibly promote the theory that a mother would protect her son if he murdered his sister just goes to show how far you and others will go to condemn the innocent while all the time promoting yourself as some sort of campaigner for miscarriages of justice.

(http://paimages.s3.amazonaws.com/categories/news/480x385/10922024.jpg)

In for the long haul.  Corinne Mitchell (right) has a quick puff after learning that her son has lost the right to have his case referred to the UK Supreme Court. Sandra Lean looks on.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 01:18:PM
Information loop?  How little you know really at the end of the day.

Why don't you come out and say that your brilliant theory is that Joey Jones killed his own sister in a moment of violent rage because that is what you numpties at WAP have been promoting for weeks now?

No wonder Jodi's mother is enraged at your attacks upon her and her family.  No wonder the local Press have taken up this story at the expense of the Mitchell circus entourage.

How anyone could possibly promote the theory that a mother would protect her son if he murdered his sister just goes to show how far you and others will go to condemn the innocent while all the time promoting yourself as some sort of campaigner for miscarriages of justice.

(http://paimages.s3.amazonaws.com/categories/news/480x385/10922024.jpg)

In for the long haul.  Corinne Mitchell (right) has a quick puff after learning that her son has lost the right to have his case referred to the UK Supreme Court. Sandra Lean looks on.

extra extra man who robs old ladys trys to take the moral high ground read all about it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 01:30:PM
Joseph Jones has been a target for many months now on the Wrongly Accused forum run by Billy Middleton from his parents home in Lerwick, Shetland Islands.  Together with his co administrator Sandra Lean they have accused and besmirched just about everyone within the Jones extended family of complicity in the murder of Jodi Jones while running a campaign to free Luke Mitchell.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39293000/jpg/_39293868_brothermotherpa203.jpg)

Joey Jones accompanied by his mother arrive for the funeral service.


It is not surprising that the Press have now seized upon these goings on which has brought much ridicule to the Mitchell campaigners.  It is clear from her comments recently made on the WAP forum that Sandra Lean is now attempting to distance herself from such comments but I fear the damage is done.

Sandra Lean previously mounted similar attacks on the Jones family while posting under the pseudonym 'jigsawman' on another former forum but it was closed down due to offensive behaviour.

This provocation by Mitchell campaigners led Joey on one occasion to turn up at Sandra Leans home where he spouted verbal abuse before leaving.  It is also understood that Sandra Lean, who maintains a high profile in the case, has been the subject of verbal abuse by members of the public on several other occasions.




Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 01:37:PM
says more about them really.

the press are irelvance now any.

actully i think he threatned he found out where she lived followed her then threatened her.

i wonder was that a one has threatned voilence towards women before does he have history.

he cant deny doing it becouse he pleaded guilty.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 01:45:PM
Try reading from another script Billy?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 02:36:PM
i am really glad the forum is making headlines.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 02:39:PM
i am really glad the forum is making headlines.

FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS !!

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Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on June 14, 2011, 02:47:PM
keep at it nugnug...the demented john lamberton keeps showing himself to be the nasty dishonest individual he really is .
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 14, 2011, 02:53:PM
keep at it nugnug...the demented john lamberton keeps showing himself to be the nasty dishonest individual he really is .

And you of course are all sweetness and light aren't you Smiffy?  Personal attacks is what you are reduced to when you do not like what is being said.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 02:54:PM
Looks like the WAP forum has gone down the toilet!     (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt014.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 02:56:PM
i am really glad the forum is making headlines.

FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS !!

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jast as you did.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 02:58:PM
Looks like the WAP forum has gone down the toilet!     (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt014.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
more viewers than ive ethere seem before.

keep posting the links youl get them a few more.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 02:59:PM
Looks like the WAP forum has gone down the toilet!     (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt014.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
more viewers than ive ethere seem before.

keep posting the links youl get them a few more.

They are laughing at you!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 03:02:PM
keep at it nugnug...the demented john lamberton keeps showing himself to be the nasty dishonest individual he really is .

And you of course are all sweetness and light aren't you Smiffy?  Personal attacks is what you are reduced to when you do not like what is being said.

That is why they have attacked just about every member of the Walker/Jones extended family while all the time it is Luke Mitchell who is the murderer!

They do say that attack is the best form of defence.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 14, 2011, 03:04:PM
John posts, "That's because she got slashed on her upper limbs while fending off the knife attack. She never made contact with her attacker since she was incapable of doing so. Jodi's fingernails contained only material from Jodi, she never touched her attacker no matter how much she struggled to get away.  I wonder how far you would get if bludgeoned over the head with a large stick?"

John, where have you read that Jodis fingernails contained only material from Jodi?  The findings on the right hand fingernails were never reported on, so how do we know that Jodi never touched her attacker?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on June 14, 2011, 03:08:PM
John posts, "That's because she got slashed on her upper limbs while fending off the knife attack. She never made contact with her attacker since she was incapable of doing so. Jodi's fingernails contained only material from Jodi, she never touched her attacker no matter how much she struggled to get away.  I wonder how far you would get if bludgeoned over the head with a large stick?"

John, where have you read that Jodis fingernails contained only material from Jodi?  The findings on the right hand fingernails were never reported on, so how do we know that Jodi never touched her attacker?

John doesnt know the answer
as usual living in his warped fantasy world..
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 03:12:PM
John posts, "That's because she got slashed on her upper limbs while fending off the knife attack. She never made contact with her attacker since she was incapable of doing so. Jodi's fingernails contained only material from Jodi, she never touched her attacker no matter how much she struggled to get away.  I wonder how far you would get if bludgeoned over the head with a large stick?"

John, where have you read that Jodis fingernails contained only material from Jodi?  The findings on the right hand fingernails were never reported on, so how do we know that Jodi never touched her attacker?

well mark kane was rejected as a suspect becouse the scraches on his face dident match.

what was under the victems nails.

that would sugest she must of scratched somebody but certainly not him.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: John on June 14, 2011, 03:12:PM
John posts, "That's because she got slashed on her upper limbs while fending off the knife attack. She never made contact with her attacker since she was incapable of doing so. Jodi's fingernails contained only material from Jodi, she never touched her attacker no matter how much she struggled to get away.  I wonder how far you would get if bludgeoned over the head with a large stick?"

John, where have you read that Jodis fingernails contained only material from Jodi?  The findings on the right hand fingernails were never reported on, so how do we know that Jodi never touched her attacker?

That's quite correct OnceSaid.  It is all there in the pathologists report...Jodi's fingernails only contained material genetically related to Jodi. 

Jodi never scratched her attacker so that would fall into line with Mitchell not having any recent scratches on him and his face in particular.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2011, 03:14:PM
it dident say that it said no reportable result not the same thing.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on June 14, 2011, 03:19:PM
it dident say that it said no reportable result not the same thing.

thats correct nugnug :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 16, 2011, 08:32:PM
it dident say that it said no reportable result not the same thing.

thats correct nugnug :)

Im confused now, I was of the understanding there was no right hand fingernail scrapings reported on, just the left hand.

Who is wrong here, me or John ?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on July 12, 2011, 12:21:AM
i think your right oncesaid.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on August 24, 2011, 04:53:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on August 30, 2011, 09:16:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.

The thread is full of inaccuracies and blatant lies.  I believe this thread was deliberately set up to mislead readers.  Personally I think it should be deleted from the site all together. At the end of the day a young lad is fighting to prove his innocence, and he needs the truth to be told so that people can see for themselves what he has had to endure since 30th June 2003, when he was just 14 years old.  :(
Who killed JJ, it was not LM in my opinion.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on August 30, 2011, 09:48:PM
are well maybe we can correct those inaccuracy's

i agrea this thread was justed by john to have a pop at certain people.

do you think i should start a thread on his case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on August 30, 2011, 10:02:PM
are well maybe we can correct those inaccuracy's

i agrea this thread was justed by john to have a pop at certain people.

do you think i should start a thread on his case.

Quick answer, No. 

PM sent.  ;)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 03, 2011, 03:58:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.

The thread is full of inaccuracies and blatant lies.  I believe this thread was deliberately set up to mislead readers.  Personally I think it should be deleted from the site all together. At the end of the day a young lad is fighting to prove his innocence, and he needs the truth to be told so that people can see for themselves what he has had to endure since 30th June 2003, when he was just 14 years old.  :(
Who killed JJ, it was not LM in my opinion.

Your opinion nor mine does not count as evidence Once Said.

Any thread that is not fully supportive of Luke Mitchell and looks at the whole case and the evidence against him is deemed inaccurate by supporters. Everything cannot be inaccurate.

I believe this thread was set up to redress the balance not to discredit anyone.

Whatever happened to freedom of thought and speech?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 03, 2011, 04:38:PM
oh i agree it shouldent be deleted.

for one thing it shows john in his true coulers witch is good.

this thread basically started by john to have a pop at people on another forum not related to this.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on September 03, 2011, 06:51:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.

The thread is full of inaccuracies and blatant lies.  I believe this thread was deliberately set up to mislead readers.  Personally I think it should be deleted from the site all together. At the end of the day a young lad is fighting to prove his innocence, and he needs the truth to be told so that people can see for themselves what he has had to endure since 30th June 2003, when he was just 14 years old.  :(
Who killed JJ, it was not LM in my opinion.

Your opinion nor mine does not count as evidence Once Said. Any thread that is not fully supportive of Luke Mitchell and looks at the whole case and the evidence against him is deemed inaccurate by supporters. Everything cannot be inaccurate.

I believe this thread was set up to redress the balance not to discredit anyone.

Whatever happened to freedom of thought and speech?

Correct.  However there is evidence in abundance to support LM's innocence and it is not contained in the posts here from JL.  This thread was not started to give a balanced view, it was started with malicious intent, end of.  Janet have you any idea how difficult it is for someone who is factually innocent to prove that innocence?  Obviously not.  ::)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 03, 2011, 06:55:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.

The thread is full of inaccuracies and blatant lies.  I believe this thread was deliberately set up to mislead readers.  Personally I think it should be deleted from the site all together. At the end of the day a young lad is fighting to prove his innocence, and he needs the truth to be told so that people can see for themselves what he has had to endure since 30th June 2003, when he was just 14 years old.  :(
Who killed JJ, it was not LM in my opinion.

Your opinion nor mine does not count as evidence Once Said.

Any thread that is not fully supportive of Luke Mitchell and looks at the whole case and the evidence against him is deemed inaccurate by supporters. Everything cannot be inaccurate.

I believe this thread was set up to redress the balance not to discredit anyone.

Whatever happened to freedom of thought and speech?

how would you know why joh started this thread.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 03, 2011, 09:28:PM
i think i forgot to post this link.
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/press-articles-readers-comments/luke-mitchell-set-to-have-his-conviction-quashed-by-supreme-court-in-england/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 02:37:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.

The thread is full of inaccuracies and blatant lies.  I believe this thread was deliberately set up to mislead readers.  Personally I think it should be deleted from the site all together. At the end of the day a young lad is fighting to prove his innocence, and he needs the truth to be told so that people can see for themselves what he has had to endure since 30th June 2003, when he was just 14 years old.  :(
Who killed JJ, it was not LM in my opinion.

Your opinion nor mine does not count as evidence Once Said. Any thread that is not fully supportive of Luke Mitchell and looks at the whole case and the evidence against him is deemed inaccurate by supporters. Everything cannot be inaccurate.

I believe this thread was set up to redress the balance not to discredit anyone.

Whatever happened to freedom of thought and speech?

Correct.  However there is evidence in abundance to support LM's innocence and it is not contained in the posts here from JL.  This thread was not started to give a balanced view, it was started with malicious intent, end of.  Janet have you any idea how difficult it is for someone who is factually innocent to prove that innocence?  Obviously not.  ::)

You assume to presume I do not know how difficult it is to prove someone's innocence. I know very well how hard it is.

To prove innocence though there has to be both sides not just what supporters want heard. That is an unfortunate fact.
People need to know both sides of the story to form a proper opinion. Without that all the have is a biased version of the story.



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 02:38:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.

The thread is full of inaccuracies and blatant lies.  I believe this thread was deliberately set up to mislead readers.  Personally I think it should be deleted from the site all together. At the end of the day a young lad is fighting to prove his innocence, and he needs the truth to be told so that people can see for themselves what he has had to endure since 30th June 2003, when he was just 14 years old.  :(
Who killed JJ, it was not LM in my opinion.

Your opinion nor mine does not count as evidence Once Said.

Any thread that is not fully supportive of Luke Mitchell and looks at the whole case and the evidence against him is deemed inaccurate by supporters. Everything cannot be inaccurate.

I believe this thread was set up to redress the balance not to discredit anyone.

Whatever happened to freedom of thought and speech?

how would you know why joh started this thread.

I have read the thread.  Does it matter why it was started? If there is evidence of innocence post it. You must realise though that not everything looks good for Luke Mitchell and that there are two sides to the story. Both must be told because somewhere in the middle of it all is the truth.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on September 06, 2011, 03:27:PM
should we start a new thread on this as this thread has got a bit confusing.

The thread is full of inaccuracies and blatant lies.  I believe this thread was deliberately set up to mislead readers.  Personally I think it should be deleted from the site all together. At the end of the day a young lad is fighting to prove his innocence, and he needs the truth to be told so that people can see for themselves what he has had to endure since 30th June 2003, when he was just 14 years old.  :(
Who killed JJ, it was not LM in my opinion.

Your opinion nor mine does not count as evidence Once Said.

Any thread that is not fully supportive of Luke Mitchell and looks at the whole case and the evidence against him is deemed inaccurate by supporters. Everything cannot be inaccurate.

I believe this thread was set up to redress the balance not to discredit anyone.

Whatever happened to freedom of thought and speech?

how would you know why joh started this thread.

I have read the thread.  Does it matter why it was started? If there is evidence of innocence post it. You must realise though that not everything looks good for Luke Mitchell and that there are two sides to the story. Both must be told because somewhere in the middle of it all is the truth.
I admit I know little of this case, but if there is doubt then in my opinion you should side with the guilty person, unless of course you believe the police would never fabricate anything.
I can chuck a ball a fair distance, but would not believe the cops that far.
Saying that Luke does not come across as a honest person, and the family are a disgrace.
Perhaps it would pay folks to start again.
 Perhaps you should start at his brother, and go from there.
The family are no help at all, and come across as money grabbers.
I admit I could be wide of the mark. but I say it as I see it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 03:32:PM
your very wide of the mark cliff.

if you dont believe the tabliods in the bamber case why do belive them this case.

theirs no evidence to say lukes family did anything wrong.

only the allegations of a few newspapers.

just the same as in jermys case.


and if you dont beilive what john said about jermy why belive him about luke mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 03:46:PM
your very wide of the mark cliff.

if you dont believe the tabliods in the bamber case why do belive them this case.

theirs no evidence to say lukes family did anything wrong.

only the allegations of a few newspapers.

just the same as in jermys case.

You don't explain why clif is off the mark nugnug.  The allegations against the Mitchells came from the police and the courts too, not just newspapers. The lies and changing stories do not look good. Neither did the fact Corinne Mitchell took Luke to the graveyard when he was told not to go to the funeral. So don't say they did not do anything wrong because they did.

There is evidence that Corinne Mitchell and her mother asked the Sunday Mail for money for a story with pictures as has been posted on here previously.

The Tabloids don't always get everything wrong.

That aside, you say there is evidence of innocence. There is also evidence of guilt.



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 03:56:PM
theres no evedence they tried to sell the story other than the word of the sunday mail.

just like jermy bamber with the topless photos.

all charges of lying against shane and corine mitchell were dropped.

wouldn't they have persued if they had really lied.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 04:12:PM
theres no evedence they tried to sell the story other than the word of the sunday mail.

just like jermy bamber with the topless photos.

all charges of lying against shane and corine mitchell were dropped.

wouldn't they have persued if they had really lied.

Why would the Sunday Mail print a story like that if they did not speak to them?

Perhaps someone should email the reporter who did the story and ask her about this.

Doesn't matter that charges had been dropped. Enough was said in court to show they were not credible witnesses.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 04:17:PM
so why were the charges droped then if they it had really been proved they wernt credible witness.
suerly that would make the case for chargeing them stronger.

and convicting them of lying would have made the conviction stronger.

why would the Sunday mail make that up because its a good story simple.

just like bamber with the topless photos.

t
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: clifford on September 06, 2011, 04:28:PM
your very wide of the mark cliff.

if you dont believe the tabliods in the bamber case why do belive them this case.

theirs no evidence to say lukes family did anything wrong.

only the allegations of a few newspapers.

just the same as in jermys case.


and if you dont beilive what john said about jermy why belive him about luke mitchell.
I don't want to get in a row with you Nugnug, because you have always been passionate in your beliefs, And I do not know too much about this case.
However the Mitchel family seem a tad to happy to cash in especually his granny.
What Grandmother would do that?
I know you will say this is newspaoer talk, but no one has refuted this, Why?
Why did his grandmother attempt to sell the story rather than just be open, and honest.
Looking in as an outsider it seems to me that Luke did not act alone when Jodie was abused, but his mates were involved, hence the different types of sperm.
IMO Jodie was gang raped, and some of the culprets are still at large.
Luke knows the truth about this poor girls death, but I think he is in denial.
I applaud you for your endeavers, but sadly you are wrong.
Kind regards, Cliff.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 04:34:PM
so why were the charges droped then if they it had really been proved they wernt credible witness.
suerly that would make the case for chargeing them stronger.

and convicting them of lying would have made the conviction stronger.

why would the Sunday mail make that up because its a good story simple.

just like bamber with the topless photos.

t

Corinne Mitchell has never denied that she and her mother asked the Sunday for money. Nor did she deny speaking to them. You cannot just say reporters make up stories like this without proof.

Did she make a complaint about this story to the complaints commission? If not why not, maybe because you dont know for sure what went on back then.

just the same as she did not deny her son wrote a letter that was on her sons prison wall.

I dont know anything about topless photos with Jeremy Bamber but if a newspaper printed the actual pictures showing him with topless women then what can anyone say about that? Its nothing to do with his case anyway, but Corinne Mitchell and the brother are very much to do with the Luke Mitchell case.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 04:34:PM
there wernt his mates cliff one of them was victims sisters boyfriend who spoke agianst him in court.

i dont really want get in a row with you ether im just fighting my corner.

there isnt a trace of lukes sperm there.



Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 04:36:PM
so why were the charges droped then if they it had really been proved they wernt credible witness.
suerly that would make the case for chargeing them stronger.

and convicting them of lying would have made the conviction stronger.

why would the Sunday mail make that up because its a good story simple.

just like bamber with the topless photos.

t

Corinne Mitchell has never denied that she and her mother asked the Sunday for money. Nor did she deny speaking to them. You cannot just say reporters make up stories like this without proof.

Did she make a complaint about this story to the complaints commission? If not why not, maybe because you dont know for sure what went on back then.

just the same as she did not deny her son wrote a letter that was on her sons prison wall.

I dont know anything about topless photos with Jeremy Bamber but if a newspaper printed the actual pictures showing him with topless women then what can anyone say about that? Its nothing to do with his case anyway, but Corinne Mitchell and the brother are very much to do with the Luke Mitchell case.

she has made sevral compliants to the press compliants comission.

and has always diened it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 04:38:PM
there wernt his mates cliff one of them was victims sisters boyfriend who spoke agianst him in court.

i dont really want get in a row with you ether im just fighting my corner.

there isnt a trace of lukes sperm there.

My corner? Why is this fight your corner? Sounds like you are very personally involved in this case after all.

Luke's sperm not being there sadly does not mean he was not there.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 04:41:PM
no im not personally involved at all i have never met luke Mitchell.

fighting my corner just means i feel strongly about this case.

you say you have nothing to do with the case but you seem to feel strongly about it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 04:47:PM
so why were the charges droped then if they it had really been proved they wernt credible witness.
suerly that would make the case for chargeing them stronger.

and convicting them of lying would have made the conviction stronger.

why would the Sunday mail make that up because its a good story simple.

just like bamber with the topless photos.

t

Corinne Mitchell has never denied that she and her mother asked the Sunday for money. Nor did she deny speaking to them. You cannot just say reporters make up stories like this without proof.

Did she make a complaint about this story to the complaints commission? If not why not, maybe because you dont know for sure what went on back then.

just the same as she did not deny her son wrote a letter that was on her sons prison wall.

I dont know anything about topless photos with Jeremy Bamber but if a newspaper printed the actual pictures showing him with topless women then what can anyone say about that? Its nothing to do with his case anyway, but Corinne Mitchell and the brother are very much to do with the Luke Mitchell case.

she has made sevral compliants to the press compliants comission.

and has always denied it.

she has never denied it publicly. If she had made a complaint it would be on the complaints pages and its not.

this is though

http://www.pcc.org.uk/news/index.html?article=Mzc0Mg==

COMPLAINANT NAME:
Ms Corrine Mitchell

CLAUSES NOTED: 1

PUBLICATION: Daily Record

COMPLAINT:
Ms Corrine Mitchell of Dalkeith complained that an article was inaccurate in its claim that she had rowed with her son while visiting him at Polmont Young Offender’s Institution. She subsequently complained – on behalf and with the signed authorisation of her son, Luke Mitchell – that the latter had not put on weight since entering Polmont.
RESOLUTION:
The newspaper publicly reiterated the complainant’s denial of the allegation that she had rowed with her son. It stood by its story but noted Ms Mitchell’s contention that she was not at Polmont on the day it had referred to. The statement in the newspaper also included a denial of the claim that Luke Mitchell had put on weight.

REPORT: 72
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 04:51:PM
no im not personally involved at all i have never met luke Mitchell.

fighting my corner just means i feel strongly about this case.

you say you have nothing to do with the case but you seem to feel strongly about it.

I do feel strongly about it because there is so much rubbish being put online and no one is allowed to have a differing opinion to the supporters. Its time you all got the veil removed from your eyes and looked at the case less passionately and objectively.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 04:55:PM
if anyone cares to read her posts on the forum she posts they would know she had

a might point out the victems familly have not dined any of the things that have been said about them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 04:56:PM
no im not personally involved at all i have never met luke Mitchell.

fighting my corner just means i feel strongly about this case.

you say you have nothing to do with the case but you seem to feel strongly about it.

I do feel strongly about it because there is so much rubbish being put online and no one is allowed to have a differing opinion to the supporters. Its time you all got the veil removed from your eyes and looked at the case less passionately and objectively.

so who's dined you a voice exactly.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 05:24:PM
no im not personally involved at all i have never met luke Mitchell.

fighting my corner just means i feel strongly about this case.

you say you have nothing to do with the case but you seem to feel strongly about it.

I do feel strongly about it because there is so much rubbish being put online and no one is allowed to have a differing opinion to the supporters. Its time you all got the veil removed from your eyes and looked at the case less passionately and objectively.

so who's dined you a voice exactly.

You deny people their voices by repeatedly telling them everything they say is wrong if it does not agree with what you say.

Corinne Mitchells so called denials about the Sunday Mail article mean nothing. She did not object to the paper or the complaints commission.

The only complaint registered on the complaints page was about a paper saying Luke Mitchell had put on weight and she had a row with her son, when she disgarees.

 Search Results For: luke mitchell (1 Results Found) from the complaints page.
 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 05:28:PM
well i am going to tell people there wrong if i think there wrong arnt i.

thats not denying someone a voice.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 06, 2011, 05:35:PM
well i am going to tell people there wrong if i think there wrong arnt i.

thats not denying someone a voice.

Truth is you do not know who is wrong and who is right because on your own admission you were not there.

The courts so far have not said my opinion is wrong but it has said yours is. Courts look at the facts not all sorts of opinions and suppositions.

There is an element of truth in many things. That does not make it factual. It also does not mean everyone else is wrong, every witness, cop, lawyer, whoever lied either.

It does Luke Mitchells cause no good for his supporters to make him sound like some sort of angel who has never done anything wrong in his life.

'We shall see what the SCCRC make of the case because no matter how much we discuss this, at the moment its their opinion only that matters on whether it will be referred or not.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 05:38:PM
and courts never get anything wrong.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2011, 05:39:PM
well i am going to tell people there wrong if i think there wrong arnt i.

thats not denying someone a voice.

Truth is you do not know who is wrong and who is right because on your own admission you were not there.

The courts so far have not said my opinion is wrong but it has said yours is. Courts look at the facts not all sorts of opinions and suppositions.

There is an element of truth in many things. That does not make it factual. It also does not mean everyone else is wrong, every witness, cop, lawyer, whoever lied either.

It does Luke Mitchells cause no good for his supporters to make him sound like some sort of angel who has never done anything wrong in his life.

'We shall see what the SCCRC make of the case because no matter how much we discuss this, at the moment its their opinion only that matters on whether it will be referred or not.

well you wernt there ethere were you but you seem sure.

or were you there.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on September 10, 2011, 12:17:AM
well i am going to tell people there wrong if i think there wrong arnt i.

thats not denying someone a voice.

Truth is you do not know who is wrong and who is right because on your own admission you were not there.

The courts so far have not said my opinion is wrong but it has said yours is. Courts look at the facts not all sorts of opinions and suppositions.

There is an element of truth in many things. That does not make it factual. It also does not mean everyone else is wrong, every witness, cop, lawyer, whoever lied either.

It does Luke Mitchells cause no good for his supporters to make him sound like some sort of angel who has never done anything wrong in his life.

'We shall see what the SCCRC make of the case because no matter how much we discuss this, at the moment its their opinion only that matters on whether it will be referred or not.

well you wernt there ethere were you but you seem sure.

or were you there.

You would love to know if I was wouldn't you?  What difference would it make to you? None because you believe what you want to believe anyhow
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on September 10, 2011, 12:22:AM
well i am going to tell people there wrong if i think there wrong arnt i.

thats not denying someone a voice.

Truth is you do not know who is wrong and who is right because on your own admission you were not there.

The courts so far have not said my opinion is wrong but it has said yours is. Courts look at the facts not all sorts of opinions and suppositions.

There is an element of truth in many things. That does not make it factual. It also does not mean everyone else is wrong, every witness, cop, lawyer, whoever lied either.

It does Luke Mitchells cause no good for his supporters to make him sound like some sort of angel who has never done anything wrong in his life.

'We shall see what the SCCRC make of the case because no matter how much we discuss this, at the moment its their opinion only that matters on whether it will be referred or not.

well you wernt there ethere were you but you seem sure.

or were you there.

You would love to know if I was wouldn't you?  What difference would it make to you? None because you believe what you want to believe anyhow

well if you were that would make you the killer.
would it not.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:16:AM
What John Lamberton once said, regarding the wrongful arrest and  conviction of Luke Mitchell.  When he was banned for abusing forum members, he took umbrage against this, and done an about turn, and went on a hate campaign against Luke Mitchell and his family and supporters, using other miscarriage of justice forums as a vehicle to spread his lies and also went on to create his own spiteful forums to post abuse, lies, and misleading information about Luke Mitchell‘s case and certain individuals that he chose to target, using usernames that he had used prior to being banned from various forums.

I have noticed that he has now set up another forum, which he is using to target members from here, who support the innocence of Jeremy Bamber or those who have dared to stand up to him, as well as continuing his vendetta against the family of Luke Mitchell, and also attempting to make a mockery of certain miscarriage of justice victims, due to having fallen out with a family member or one of their supporters. 

It has to be said that the miscarriage of justice victims that he targets and goes out of his way to try to damage their case and interfere with their fight for freedom, have done nothing to this man.  They would never have heard of John Lamberton, but yet he uses them and the vulnerable situation that they are in to get back at their family members or supporters.  Please bear in mind that this man has spent many years planning, swindling, lying, conning, and he has a criminal record of fraud to prove it. His disruptive, vile, online behaviour is a game to him, he plays to win.  He takes on those that he believes he can beat into a submission, but becomes very frustrated when his plan fails.  Those he targets, he will use photographs of them if he can get access to any, however I find it very sinister that he chooses to post picture of babies or very young children as I have noticed pictured of 3 children already on this new site of his, related to those he has targeted.  Shame on you John Lamberton!  What reason is there to post pictures of babies and young children????? 

False accusations that he has made in the past and is continually making against Luke Mitchel and his family, can be found on this forum, his new forum, and on other forums all over the internet.  He is a stickler for saying that what is said in first statements, is more closer to the truth, so here is what he once said after thoroughly researching the Luke Mitchell case, before he spat the dummy out................
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:18:AM
John Lamberton once said - The Luke Mitchell case is a classic example of where a police investigation can go wrong. Tunnel vision and political expediency seemed to have driven this case, the need for a quick conviction at any cost. Except off-course that the cost is only going to increase and public awareness become more widespread until the point when the authorities will have to take a proper look at what occurred.

This is a case where a 14 year-old child was convicted of murdering his long-term girlfriend, also 14. Not only this, but he was also supposed to have taken time over the killing in some sort of macabre ritual slaying. I will not go into details in this post but no-doubt they will be discussed sooner rather than later.

What also worries me greatly with this conviction is the time-line which I have reproduced below. Luke had a 40 minute window to do everything that he was supposed to have done and simply put, it is impossible unless off-course you are Superman !! The map relating to the events is also reproduced below with thanks to my friend Curious.

Finally, let me add that there was not a single DNA profile lifted from the scene which put Luke there that night. I can also add there was no trace of Luke anywhere on the body. This is what passes for evidence in Scottish Courts. Oh and yes, there are several other DNA profiles lifted from the body and guess what ? ...the boys in blue haven't been able to find the people to whom they relate. Very convenient policing I call that !!

« Last Edit: May 12, 2010, 08:49:46 PM by John Lamberton »
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:19:AM
JL once said - I wonder if anyone has a poem about Luke and Jodi. After all they were in love as 14 year-olds can be. I am sure Jodi would have been horrified at what they did to Luke in her name.

Anyone got a poem for them both? ...and another thing, anyone got a lovely photograph of them TOGETHER ?? Now that would be nice to see and to promote.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:21:AM
Please explain Curious?
Well, if you're in the 'Luke is innocent' camp (tiny) that may seem to be 'nice' or whatever but if you're in the 'Guilty / Don't know' camps it would come across as crass, insensitive, vile, (choose your own adjectives), depending on your perspective. The press would jump all over it.

John Lamberton replied….Great! lets have the press jump all over it...publicity is what makes the world go round.

The fact is they loved each other, no-one can change that. Not even the twisted biggots who will do anything to destroy the memory of the relationship they had. Lets have a photo and get it out there instead of the primary school photos of Jodi and the emerging from the prison van photos of Luke.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:21:AM
John Lamberton once said - So you would rather Luke spend the next 14+ years in s***-hole Shotts as an alternative to upsetting a few prunes??
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:23:AM
I have never come across any explanation at all for why the family did not supply a recent photograph of Jodi. The video footage (phone/webcam??) that was used to produce an image came from one of Jodi's friends.
I personally can only draw negative inferences from such a situation in regards to Jodi's immediate family.

John Lamberton replied…..This issue is rather suspicious. Not only did the Jones family supply childish photo's but the so-called professional police service and the press chose to use them. Now we all know why the press chose to use such but the police ??

That is true Hazel but surely there was a school photo or something taken at the age of 13 or 14 ??
It does rather make the police look like a bunch of incompetentos!!

« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 03:42:32 PM by John Lamberton »
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:23:AM
John Lamberton once said - Something I was just thinking about, the events immediately after the police arrived on the scene. A policeman asked Luke to show them the body (wrong thing to do), they then left the scene completely unattended (wrong thing to do).

Now, anyone with the slightest bit of wit would realise that Luke's reaction at being asked to go to the body was consistent with being traumatised. Not the reaction you would get from someone who had casually killed his girlfriend some hours earlier.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 03:47:46 PM by John Lamberton »
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:25:AM
John Lamberton once said ...are you trying to say the police weren't a bunch of incompetentos because from what I can see they were?? They have failed to pursue definite lines of enquiry wrt suspects while other suspects have not been identified for several years and then only by chance. Did they not think to ask the local males to voluntarily donate samples for DNA analysis or would that have impinged their human rights??

I am sure every innocent male would have been too glad TO BE SEEN to have cooperated...then by deduction...it isn't rocket science!!
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 04:17:42 PM by John Lamberton »
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:25:AM
John Lamberton once said - The problem with the so-called defence in the UK is that they do not do any investigating. It is all down to hard cash and the Legal Aid Board's limited budget. However, when it comes to resources the Crown Office has unlimited cash to go all over the country if need be and to engage the best of experts from wherever. How can one possibly offer a defence when the most basics of defence rely on a proper investigation.

Today, solicitors spend their time running between their office, the prisons and the courts. Seldom do they actually go out and ask questions or take statements from anyone, let alone actually do a bit of investigating and digging. When statements are needed what do they do?...they lift the phone and cold call the person involved. Little wonder therefore that such statements are devoid of anything useful. They then turn up at the prison and give you this sob story about the statement being unhelpful...soul destroying really! If you are lucky, they might even send out a precognition agent. What he or she is, is a glorified clerk who goes out and calls with the person concerned and again attempts to get them to spill the beans to them! What they come back with is inevitably a total waste of time.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:27:AM
the dairy entry's are disturbing but we may be reading to much into them. jodi could of meant anyone of 1000 things by what she wrote it would be dangerous to jump to conclusions.

John Lamberton replies - I agree, the poor girl had much c**p going on in her life and Luke was the one thing that created some stability. She would have been horrified that he is being persecuted and in her name!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:28:AM
John Lamberton once said - That's the way they work, trick and manipulation of witnesses. By the time the poor sod get to court they are beginning to doubt themselves too!

I believe in statements taken shortly after the event regardless of what is later said.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:31:AM
The Appeal Decision

http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2008HCJAC28.html


Applying these principles the court is satisfied that there was sufficient evidence in law upon which a verdict of guilty could be returned.

John Lamberton - Given this, I consider that it is about time the whole issue of evidence was looked at by the Scottish Government because if you are going to convict people on the basis of fleeting glances, flimsy circumstantial evidence and gossip then I foresee no hope for Scotland in the modern world. In a nutshell, this verdict and the many others which are based on the same logic are a disgrace to humanity.


An important element in the Crown case was the evidence of Mrs Andrina Bryson who testified to seeing a male and a female at the Easthouses end of the Roan's Dyke Path at about 1650-55 on 30 June 2003.

John Lamberton - This is the evidence that holds the key to the conviction and their Lordship's chose to uphold it. Bryson did not know Luke so a positive identification is impossible. Given that another suspect looks exactly like Luke, I find the whole thing incredible that such a testimony could carry such weight.


If the jury accepted these identifications - as, having regard to the whole evidence bearing on them, they might reasonably do - there was ample evidence otherwise to allow them reasonably to conclude that Jodi's killer was the appellant.

John Lamberton - So now we have the huge leap from being seen with someone to having murderer them! You couldn't make it up if you tried!! WHAT AMPLE EVIDENCE EXACTLY...NO DNA, NO BLOOD, NO SEMEN, NO FIBRES....NO NOTHING!



It is the usual old get-out clause by their Lordship's....."That was a matter for the jury..." Maybe if the jury had been properly directed in the first place....QED!


I would also like to know that if their Lordship's are so sure of Bryson's evidence that Luke was with Jodi at Easthouses at 4.50pm to 4.55pm, then how come a 'mystery man' was observed following Jodi to the path by two other witnesses on Easthouses Road. They cannot both be correct and I would have thought two witnesses were better than one? It seems that the Judge chose which evidence to believe and directed or failed to direct the jury accordingly.

I would also like to know why Luke was interviewed on 14 August 2003 being some 45 days after the murder? If Luke really was a suspect he should have been interviewed at the time of the murder, not 7 weeks later. The method's employed by the police are to be deplore in relation to the manner in which the interview was actually conducted. Anyone know the cops names?
« Last Edit: May 17, 2010, 12:59:09 PM by John Lamberton »
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:32:AM
John Lamberton once said - I read a comment earlier today and feel that it is worth a few questions.

Now most of you here know who the protagonists are in this affair. Specifically, we have all heard who was seen in and around the locus that day and others have been identified using DNA profiling.

We have 2 people on a scooter parked at the locus.
We have another who passed (he says) on a bicycle.
We have another's freshly filled condom putting him at the locus.

We have 10 DNA profiles and other semen samples allegedly unaccounted for.

I would like to know if any of the above:-

1. Provided samples for DNA analysis

2. Were ever properly interviewed in the same way that Luke was interrogated?


Why did Ferris skip town? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article394722.ece
« Last Edit: May 17, 2010, 09:00:06 PM by John Lamberton »
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:34:AM
John Lamberton once said - This is simply cloud cuckoo-land!

According to the appeal decision, Luke had 50 minutes to walk with Jodi from Easthouses Road (where Bryson thought she saw him), transit Roan's Dyke Path to the locus of the murder scene, murder Jodi, mutilate the corpse, head off somewhere to clean and change clothes and have time to return to Newbattle Road and sit on the wall where he was seen by 3 lads on bikes and 2 other females. ARE THESE PEOPLE FOR REAL??

This leads me onto another question...

1. What was Luke wearing when he left home after tea that evening, before he was supposed to have committed murder? Does this tie in with what Bryson described him wearing when she supposedly saw him at Easthouses?

2. What was he wearing later when he met the two Dave's at the Abbey?

I feel this is utmost important because he couldn't have committed murder in the way it was done without contamination. If he wore the same clothes on both occasions there is no possible way he could have committed this murder unless he wore a protective suit over the top of his clothing.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 01:39:AM
I could go on, but dont want to fill the forum with numerous posts of what he once said.  My point being he will do and say what he can to hurt, anger, provoke, regardless of what he has said in the past.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on October 13, 2011, 01:46:AM
I have never come across any explanation at all for why the family did not supply a recent photograph of Jodi. The video footage (phone/webcam??) that was used to produce an image came from one of Jodi's friends.
I personally can only draw negative inferences from such a situation in regards to Jodi's immediate family.

John Lamberton replied…..This issue is rather suspicious. Not only did the Jones family supply childish photo's but the so-called professional police service and the press chose to use them. Now we all know why the press chose to use such but the police ??

That is true Hazel but surely there was a school photo or something taken at the age of 13 or 14 ??
It does rather make the police look like a bunch of incompetentos!!

« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 03:42:32 PM by John Lamberton »

is rather strange the family did not provide such photos as there were plenty of the said photos about as has been demonstrated.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 13, 2011, 02:20:AM
I have never come across any explanation at all for why the family did not supply a recent photograph of Jodi. The video footage (phone/webcam??) that was used to produce an image came from one of Jodi's friends.
I personally can only draw negative inferences from such a situation in regards to Jodi's immediate family.

John Lamberton replied…..This issue is rather suspicious. Not only did the Jones family supply childish photo's but the so-called professional police service and the press chose to use them. Now we all know why the press chose to use such but the police ??

That is true Hazel but surely there was a school photo or something taken at the age of 13 or 14 ??
It does rather make the police look like a bunch of incompetentos!!

« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 03:42:32 PM by John Lamberton »

is rather strange the family did not provide such photos as there were plenty of the said photos about as has been demonstrated.

I agree with Lamberton that it does make the police look like a bunch of incompetentos.  It could be that the police asked the family for a picture, but didnt explain what is was to be used for and in their shocked state, a member of the family gave the first one to hand.  The police failed big time to get a more recent photograph at the start of their investigations, what did they hope to accomplish by using a photograph of a 6 year old girl, when Jodi was 14 years of age.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on October 16, 2011, 04:32:PM
well yes it does.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: andrea on October 16, 2011, 04:42:PM
youre being impersonated on the lambo forum, unless it is you!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on October 16, 2011, 04:43:PM
no its not me.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on October 17, 2011, 11:39:AM
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/documentaries/moj-day-meeting-2011/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 18, 2011, 01:59:PM
youre being impersonated on the lambo forum, unless it is you!

Nugnug noticed from day one that his username was being used by Lamberton on his forum, nugnug posted it was not him, on here, think it was last week. ;)

John Lamberton is using peoples usernames, tricking the readers that these people have turned on JB and the supporters of this forum.

He has had a go at most of us.  ::) 

He is an absolute low life, but I am a firm believer that what goes around, comes around.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2011, 04:22:PM
theyve got a fake smiffy now as well.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 19, 2011, 05:03:PM
theyve got a fake smiffy now as well.

I noticed that, pretty pathetic really  ::)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2011, 07:49:PM
yes true.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on October 26, 2011, 05:49:PM
Re: OnceSaid
« Result #89 on Oct 24, 2011, 11:20am »

I have been made aware that the poster called OnceSaid is again posting lies on the Bamber forum in a sad attempt to stop me exposing the truth about Mitchell. I will never cease to expose criminals and liars no matter how much garbage these sad cowards dream up.

Their latest effort is to promote the lie that my wife and son somehow gave evidence against me in my trial in September 2004.

The truth being that they were both Defence witnesses but were taken over by the Crown to hamper my legal teams ability to discuss the case with them. They never gave evidence against me in relation to any charges, they have supported me continuously from the moment of my illegal arrest in Spain in August 2003 and continue to do so.

In actual fact they have both given statements as has my brother in support of me to the SCCRC and these are the subject of ongoing legal debate.

This coward who posts as OnceSaid is known to me, I have already provided a copy of their posts to my lawyers who have advised me that they will be pursuing them in due course.
« Last Edit: Oct 24, 2011, 11:22am by John »



Are you Mr Lamberton not a self confessed liar?  Did you not admit yourself that you lied to the police in relation to your case?  We both know the honest answer to that question, don’t we?.   Regardless of how I feel about you I would certainly not deliberately lie about you.  As for attempting to stop you “exposing the truth about Mitchell“, that is also untrue.  What I object to is you posting your opinion as fact and attempting to mislead readers. 

With regards to John Lambertons own case,  there was 37 Crown Witnesses, including John Lamberton’s family.  There was only ONE defence witness, and that was himself, John Lamberton.  Press reports covering the trial all state that his family gave statements and were witnesses against him, he admits himself that there was no defence witnesses, apart from himself, so where exactly have I lied? 

Am I to believe all media links that he himself posts as facts in relation to other miscarriages of justices cases that he targets, but ignore and disbelieve press related articles of his own case?  (As soon as I find the links where it says that his wife and son in particular gave statements, were at the trial as crown witnesses, gave evidence against him etc, I will post them here). John Lamberton will have in his possession all the newspaper reports relating to his trial, has he made any attempts to sue the newspapers/ journalists/editors who put these words in print over the years?

The following quotes are taken from his own site which features his case. http://www.justice4johnlamberton.com/thetrial/

“The trial continued for a period of some four weeks which was two weeks beyond that allocated. Crown Witnesses numbered some 37 in total although many never gave evidence, the defence were left with only one witness, John himself“.

“Family members who testified including John's brother gave evidence to the effect that John was true to his aunt to the very end when others had failed her abysmally“.

“In a final sinister turn of events just before the commencement of the trial, all John's witnesses from Northern Ireland were handed over to the Crown by a former lawyer simply because he couldn't be bothered to arrange transport and accommodation for them. The Crown had no such constraints however and took these witnesses over formally as Crown Witnesses with the Press later reporting that they had given evidence against John when this was completely untrue and yet another false and prejudiced representation of the facts“.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on October 26, 2011, 06:44:PM
well apparently the press are telling the truth about everybody else but lying about him.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on November 02, 2011, 03:31:PM
http://fleastiff.blogspot.com/2011/06/luke-mitchell-to-be-released-by-supreme.html
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on December 05, 2011, 05:41:PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/You-ARE-LUKE-Mitchell/286160341427261
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: smiffy on December 14, 2011, 09:30:PM
Those who really know the case are able to conclude who the real killer of Jodi actually is.
He is a person I have met face to face and from that viewing of him at close quarters I am satisfied that he is the killer. I cannot reveal publically or by pm as to why.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Buddy on December 14, 2011, 09:32:PM
Those who really know the case are able to conclude who the real killer of Jodi actually is.
He is a person I have met face to face and from that viewing of him at close quarters I am satisfied that he is the killer. I cannot reveal publically or by pm as to why.
No point in the post then Smiffy.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on December 14, 2011, 09:36:PM
well there must have been a point to it or he wouldn't some of us may not know what the point was but there must have been one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Buddy on December 15, 2011, 09:07:PM
well there must have been a point to it or he wouldn't some of us may not know what the point was but there must have been one.
Pardon.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on December 15, 2011, 11:53:PM
i mean there was there was a reason just we do not understand the reason.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on December 23, 2011, 09:22:PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/12/19/anger-as-supporters-of-killer-luke-mitchell-launch-postcard-campaign-to-proclaim-his-innocence-86908-23646465/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on December 24, 2011, 12:22:PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/12/19/anger-as-supporters-of-killer-luke-mitchell-launch-postcard-campaign-to-proclaim-his-innocence-86908-23646465/

Good grief, he sure gets around  :o

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on December 27, 2011, 03:38:PM
he certainly does
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on January 19, 2012, 05:07:PM
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/jodi_s_killer_to_present_new_evidence_for_fresh_appeal_1_2065945
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on January 21, 2012, 05:05:PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2012/01/19/jodi-jones-s-killer-luke-mitchell-to-launch-his-seventh-bid-for-freedom-86908-23706672/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on February 04, 2012, 10:18:PM
The above article has got it facts wrong  ::)

In fact this whole thread is littered with inaccuracies  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: littlepieces on February 05, 2012, 10:12:PM
Although English i know the area well as my ex wife is from Pathhead.There is just to much doubt about this case and it disturbs me.Again dodgy police are involved and I say this with a brother who served in the met for 30 years
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 18, 2012, 04:41:PM
http://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-headlines/da_vinci_code_rapist_linked_to_jodi_jones_murder_1_2116095
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 26, 2012, 06:48:PM
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/media-and-other-considerations/mail-sunday-26022012/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on February 26, 2012, 07:29:PM
This is good news for the campaign for Luke Mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 26, 2012, 09:50:PM
very good news.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Suzie on February 26, 2012, 11:22:PM
Such a big deal was made of Corinne Mitchell supposedly lying and helping her son dispose of evidence. Perverting the course of justice, perjury? Kind of blows a hole in that really :o
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 26, 2012, 11:23:PM
yes it certainly blows a hole in it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 27, 2012, 12:43:AM
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4156144/Killer-Luke-Mitchell-Let-me-take-lie-detector-test.html
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on February 28, 2012, 12:01:AM
Was this tester not the same guy to give Jeremy Bamber his lie detector test many moons ago?

It is of no suprise that Corrine Mitchell passed the test with flying colours.  She has not been the one that has been lying for years.

Her son is in prison because the jury believed she had lied.

She has now proven she was telling the truth from the start in that she did not burn or dispose of any clothes or the murder weapon, that she did not give a false alibi and that she did not lie under oath.  All of which the prosecution convinced the jury that she had lied about.

Although this positive result will not help to have her son released  :(  it raises many questions and doubts about those who were prosecution witnesses, especially the search party.

It is of no suprise that Luke wants the chance to prove his innocence by taking the test too.

Both Luke and Corrine have waited for this opportunity for years.

It must have been a nerve wracking experience, something I would dread to have to do, she was very brave.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 28, 2012, 12:16:AM
i wonder who else will be willing to take one in relation to this case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on February 28, 2012, 12:37:AM
So does that mean that both Corrine and Jeremy are narcissistic psychopaths?  Both passing a lie detector test?    ;)

Quote
·         Did you shoot your family on August 7th 1985? – No

·         Did you shoot five members of your family with an Anshutz rifle? No

·         Were you present inside the house when they were shot with an Anshutz rifle? – No

·         Did you shoot your father Neville? – No

·         Did you shoot your mother June? – No

·         Did you shoot your sister Sheila Caffell? – No

·         Did you shoot your twin nephews Daniel and Nicholas? – No

·         Did you climb out of a window of your parent’s home after shooting your family? – No

·         Did you shoot your family in your father’s home? – No

·         Did PC Bews radio in a report of seeing someone in an upstairs window around 4am on the morning of the shootings? – Yes

·         Did you pay a professional hit man to shoot your family? – No

http://www.lafayettepolygraph.com/product_list.asp?subcatid=41

This is the equipment used on Bamber and above is their website.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on February 28, 2012, 12:40:AM
i wonder who else will be willing to take one in relation to this case.

I reckon anyone that is confident in passing would speak up.

I wouldn't expect to hear from cocky Kelly, Falconer, Ferris, Dickie, or AW, JAJ.

Nunnug, what do you make of all those discarded items of clothing being found near the crime scene?

2 different hoodies and joggies.  :-\

Everytime I think of those hoodies, I think of that half naked picture of GD, as it looks to me if the picture is taken outside, in the dark.  Not that I'm saying it is his hoody, but there is just something about that picture that gives me the creeps.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on February 28, 2012, 12:53:AM
Ha Rochford, you stole his thunder.  That is what I was waiting for him to spew out next.  It was only a matter of time before he came out with that one as he has called Corrine everything else under the sun.  She is a strong woman, something he wasnt able to handle, he likes his victims to be weaklings so that it is easier to grind them down.  Sad, pathetic man.  He hasnt even got his numerous usernames to keep himself company on his festered forum now it has been suspended.   ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 28, 2012, 01:00:PM
I reckon anyone that is confident in passing would speak up.

I wouldn't expect to hear from cocky Kelly, Falconer, Ferris, Dickie, or AW, JAJ.

Nunnug, what do you make of all those discarded items of clothing being found near the crime scene?

2 different hoodies and joggies.  :-\

Everytime I think of those hoodies, I think of that half naked picture of GD, as it looks to me if the picture is taken outside, in the dark.  Not that I'm saying it is his hoody, but there is just something about that picture that gives me the creeps.

they may have nothing to do with ther murder when i used to walk my dog in various differnt woods i used to come across dscarded clothing all the time.

very rarely hoodys though.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on February 28, 2012, 01:05:PM
Ha Rochford, you stole his thunder.  That is what I was waiting for him to spew out next.  It was only a matter of time before he came out with that one as he has called Corrine everything else under the sun.  She is a strong woman, something he wasnt able to handle, he likes his victims to be weaklings so that it is easier to grind them down.  Sad, pathetic man.  He hasnt even got his numerous usernames to keep himself company on his festered forum now it has been suspended.   ;D

Yes, surely not everyone who passes these tests is a 'narcissistic psychopath'?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on February 28, 2012, 03:15:PM
catch 22 really if you fail one your lying if you pass one your a narcasitic pschopath.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: wichfinder on February 29, 2012, 04:23:PM
hes guilty guilty guilty and guilty.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on March 04, 2012, 01:28:AM
hes guilty guilty guilty and guilty.

yes but Luke Mitchell is innocent  :P

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on March 04, 2012, 05:46:PM
http://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-headlines/mother_of_jodi_jones_killer_luke_mitchell_takes_polygraph_test_1_2146255
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Tracy.Jayne on April 29, 2012, 04:06:PM
Innocent!!!!
Scottish Mail on Sunday... headline

LIE DETECTOR CLEARS MITCHELL

"Luke Mitchell is not guiilty of murdering Jodi Jones according to the sensational results of a lie detector test."
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 04:18:PM
Tracey Jane Well done another success from Scotland on the polygraph test I have been banging on about Joseph Steele who was cleared of murdering 6 people on the results of a polygraph test he had served 17 years.  It is mentioned on Jeremy,s official web site can the non believers of the polygraph test give some impact into the two posts thank you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Tracy.Jayne on April 29, 2012, 04:38:PM
Tracey Jane Well done another success from Scotland on the polygraph test I have been banging on about Joseph Steele who was cleared of murdering 6 people on the results of a polygraph test he had served 17 years.  It is mentioned on Jeremy,s official web site can the non believers of the polygraph test give some impact into the two posts thank you.
we get the response of people saying how easy it is for a psycopath to fool the test....But the non believers are more than happy to celebrate Adrain Prout failing his ....Brainless hypocrites, although it is not admissable in a court of law they've been trialling them in English prisons to check if sex offenders are safe to be released....And also what are the odds of both Luke and his mom passing the test? Big risk to take I'd say   .. x
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: ngb1066 on April 29, 2012, 04:42:PM
we get the response of people saying how easy it is for a psycopath to fool the test....But the non believers are more than happy to celebrate Adrain Prout failing his ....Brainless hypocrites, although it is not admissable in a court of law they've been trialling them in English prisons to check if sex offenders are safe to be released....And also what are the odds of both Luke and his mom passing the test? Big risk to take I'd say    .. x

That is a very fair point Tracy.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 04:45:PM
Tracey Jayne  It is so good to have somebody agree with me on the polygraph I know they use them in Scotland re. sex offenders in America they are admissible in Court as 100percent reliable but all the people on this forum who say polygraph tests are unreliable will not comment on the Joseph Steele case and now we have the Jodi Jones.  I put it to the non believers to accept our views and challenge them with some positive response about the above two cases.  After all if they have no credence why bother with them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Tracy.Jayne on April 29, 2012, 04:50:PM
Tracey Jayne  It is so good to have somebody agree with me on the polygraph I know they use them in Scotland re. sex offenders in America they are admissible in Court as 100percent reliable but all the people on this forum who say polygraph tests are unreliable will not comment on the Joseph Steele case and now we have the Jodi Jones.  I put it to the non believers to accept our views and challenge them with some positive response about the above two cases.  After all if they have no credence why bother with them.
Could you possibly send me a link to the Joseph Steele case Susan? I would be interested to read about it.
 Thank you
 TJ xx
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on April 29, 2012, 04:52:PM
It's another sock in the eye for Blunderton and his so called Justice_Forum.  If Blunderton came down on the same side as me, I would see that as an indication that it was time to jump ship and join Vic, Mat & Hartley. 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 04:57:PM
Tracey Jayne  I have had people on this forum saying how easy it is to cheat the polygraph test especially if you are a psychopath like Jeremy. Jeremy has had 27 different assessments and has not got any psychotic tendencies  other people have said but you only have to answer No and it is so much easier as the test was taken so long after the murders.  Jeremy has been asking for a polygraph test since shortly after he was committed finally got one I think it was 2002.  As I have said he had failed the test people would have said I told you he was guilty.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 05:00:PM
Rochford  so sorry I don,t understand your post could you explain.  I apologise for my ignorance.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Tracy.Jayne on April 29, 2012, 05:01:PM
Tracey Jayne  I have had people on this forum saying how easy it is to cheat the polygraph test especially if you are a psychopath like Jeremy. Jeremy has had 27 different assessments and has not got any psychotic tendencies  other people have said but you only have to answer No and it is so much easier as the test was taken so long after the murders.  Jeremy has been asking for a polygraph test since shortly after he was committed finally got one I think it was 2002.  As I have said he had failed the test people would have said I told you he was guilty.
well it's been 9 years for Luke and his mother come to that, So Id just say poppycock to all the doubters (who probably watch Jeremy Kyle every day and get quite excited by it all ) :D x
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2012, 05:06:PM
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/media/?sa=item;in=87
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 05:10:PM
Tracey Jayne  so sorry I don,t have a thread but I just read about part of it on the Jeremy Bamber Official  Web Site.  Joseph Steele and another guy were involved in the Ice Cream Wars in Glasgow they were accused of setting fire to a house with 6 people inside one an 18 month old baby .  He always protested his innocence and at one stage escaped from prison and chained himself to the railings of Buckingham Palace (not suggesting Jeremy do that).  He had two failed appeals and after being imprisoned for 17 years he was released on the results of a polygraph test by the Secretary of State for Scotland.  If you Google Joseph Steele Glasgows Ice Cream Wars you will get the story up.  Hope this helps.  By the way the six people died in the fire not sure if the other guy is still in prison.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on April 29, 2012, 05:11:PM
Rochford  so sorry I don,t understand your post could you explain.  I apologise for my ignorance.

Susan, thank you for asking.  What I meant was that in my opinion, John is a dab hand at calling things incorrectly.  He also tends to give his 'expert' opinion on these cases.  His expertise knows no bounds and I suspect he holds many doctorates.  Nevertheless given his track record, had he been supportive of Jeremy Bamber, I would have to seriously consider my own position on the case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Tracy.Jayne on April 29, 2012, 05:13:PM
Tracey Jayne  so sorry I don,t have a thread but I just read about part of it on the Jeremy Bamber Official  Web Site.  Joseph Steele and another guy were involved in the Ice Cream Wars in Glasgow they were accused of setting fire to a house with 6 people inside one an 18 month old baby .  He always protested his innocence and at one stage escaped from prison and chained himself to the railings of Buckingham Palace (not suggesting Jeremy do that).  He had two failed appeals and after being imprisoned for 17 years he was released on the results of a polygraph test by the Secretary of State for Scotland.  If you Google Joseph Steele Glasgows Ice Cream Wars you will get the story up.  Hope this helps.  By the way the six people died in the fire not sure if the other guy is still in prison.
Thank you Susan will read up on this tomorrow when my house is quiet  :o
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 05:22:PM
Rochford  sorry I must be lacking in brain cells as I don,t know who John is and is he related to the Jodi Jones case I had not heard of this case until Tracey Jayne brought it to my attention.  Please be patient with me and explain it is the only way I will learn.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2012, 05:27:PM
hes the prat posting at the beginning of the thread.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: maggie on April 29, 2012, 05:42:PM
Tracey Jayne  I have had people on this forum saying how easy it is to cheat the polygraph test especially if you are a psychopath like Jeremy. Jeremy has had 27 different assessments and has not got any psychotic tendencies  other people have said but you only have to answer No and it is so much easier as the test was taken so long after the murders.  Jeremy has been asking for a polygraph test since shortly after he was committed finally got one I think it was 2002.  As I have said he had failed the test people would have said I told you he was guilty.
Susan, I reckon that should print out at the top of every thread on the forum, I have been banging on about the Psychiatric/psychological tests and you about the polyogram endlessly. I think I say it in my sleep!!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 06:08:PM
Hi Maggie  I am the same and nobody takes the slightest bit of notice of us   Patti does but she has gone out on her canoe hope she gets back.  I am suffering from sun burn but I have laid down a challenge to the people who just dismiss polygraph testing but as yet no takers. I take notice of you Maggie.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Roch on April 29, 2012, 06:20:PM
Rochford  sorry I must be lacking in brain cells as I don,t know who John is and is he related to the Jodi Jones case I had not heard of this case until Tracey Jayne brought it to my attention.  Please be patient with me and explain it is the only way I will learn.  Many thanks.

Susan, John claims to be the victim of a miscarriage of justice.  He is intererested in other potential miscarriages of justice, some of which he supports and some of which he does not.  His main interest is to troll on the internet and in doing so, press as many buttons as he can, regarding supporters of the cases that he does not support him self.  He has had a forum closed down but now has another forum, with a twitter link, from which he attacks the likes of Simon McKay and Mark Williams-Thomas.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: maggie on April 29, 2012, 06:22:PM
Hi Maggie  I am the same and nobody takes the slightest bit of notice of us   Patti does but she has gone out on her canoe hope she gets back.  I am suffering from sun burn but I have laid down a challenge to the people who just dismiss polygraph testing but as yet no takers. I take notice of you Maggie.
I take.notice of you Susie.!
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 29, 2012, 06:23:PM
Rochford  many many thanks for that he is a man to avoid then.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2012, 12:27:AM
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/317229
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2012, 07:44:PM
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/mitchell-lie-test-can-t-be-used-in-court-1-2265342
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on April 30, 2012, 07:57:PM
nugnug  A polygraph test can be accepted by the Secretary of State for Scotland and he has the power to overturn the conviction and that is what he did with Joseph Steele it was not an actual Court of Law.  The Jodi Jones case I knew nothing about it till Tracey Jayne brought to my attention yesterday thanks for the thread.  I see it was Terry Mullins who carried out the test the same guy who carried out Jeremy,s test
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Patti on April 30, 2012, 08:03:PM
nugnug  A polygraph test can be accepted by the Secretary of State for Scotland and he has the power to overturn the conviction and that is what he did with Joseph Steele it was not an actual Court of Law.  The Jodi Jones case I knew nothing about it till Tracey Jayne brought to my attention yesterday thanks for the thread.  I see it was Terry Mullins who carried out the test the same guy who carried out Jeremy,s test

Mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa   ;) :) :D ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: maggie on April 30, 2012, 08:14:PM
nugnug  A polygraph test can be accepted by the Secretary of State for Scotland and he has the power to overturn the conviction and that is what he did with Joseph Steele it was not an actual Court of Law.  The Jodi Jones case I knew nothing about it till Tracey Jayne brought to my attention yesterday thanks for the thread.  I see it was Terry Mullins who carried out the test the same guy who carried out Jeremy,s test
Susan I am acknowledging your post about the polygraph test.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 06, 2012, 03:27:PM
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/files/2012/05/mail-on-sunday-06-05-2012.pdf
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2012, 05:36:PM
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/crime-courts/mitchell-tells-of-night-he-found-girlfriend-jodi-dead.17517747
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: indeed on May 13, 2012, 04:45:AM
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx... she caught them up to no good and they silenced her.

Indeed, 

Your post has been mod'd because the forum does not permit the potentially libelous naming of persons who members suspect to be murderers. If you have evidence of your allegation, this should be given to the police.

Also, new members are required to introduce themselves before posting to the main forum. Please do so before posting again. Thank you.

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Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: indeed on May 13, 2012, 05:08:AM


Everytime I think of those hoodies, I think of that half naked picture of GD, as it looks to me if the picture is taken outside, in the dark.  Not that I'm saying it is his hoody, but there is just something about that picture that gives me the creeps.

(http://i.imgur.com/mHSFL.jpg)

cant be taken outside, hes clearly looking in a mirror and taking a picture of his own reflection with his camera phone.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: indeed on May 13, 2012, 04:03:PM
Your post has been mod'd because the forum does not permit the potentially libelous naming of persons who members suspect to be murderers. If you have evidence of your allegation, this should be given to the police.

they arent interested, the 2 i mentioned even gave evidence against mitchell and the police dropped an unrelated charge one was facing for disfigurement for pointing the finger at luke, mitchells defense lawyer cross examined the pair in the dock and they have also been questioned, answers such as "dont know" and "cant remember" have been accepted because the police already decided they had their man
their moped was spotted propped against the wall jodis body was found behind round about the suspected time of the murder, they scrapped this moped the following day, one boy cut off his hair on the night of the murder and stuffed a pair of water soaked gloves with condoms hidden inside down the back of a relatives radiator, they didnt go to the police to say they had been in the area until a week later after the police appealed for to the 2 boys spotted on the moped to come forward, both of these boys new jodi, they were suposed to meet jodis brother that night for a smoke but something made them change their mind and not turn up. they also originally lied to the police about what time they were on the path until it was proved incorrect, they were about an hour off. the boys dealed drugs in the area jodi was murdered and even admitted in court mitchell still owed them money for drugs

all of these aspects for which their are no innocent explanation i can think of, build a far stronger case against them than the one against mitchell
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 14, 2012, 11:50:AM
(http://i.imgur.com/mHSFL.jpg)

cant be taken outside, hes clearly looking in a mirror and taking a picture of his own reflection with his camera phone.

Your probably right, but the pic still gives me the heebygeebies.  This is one of the guys that was on the moped, which was witnessed at the v in the wall, at approx time of death.  With his previous, had the investigation focussed on him, it could have been him that became a miscarriage of justice, instead of Luke Mitchell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on May 23, 2012, 11:18:PM
It would seem that since Luke and his mother both passed the polygraph test that the press have started to print out articles which are honest and fair.  I for one, am pleased to see this turnaround as for years it was sensationalism at its worst.

I look forward to more and more facts of the case being highlighted in the press, and reaching a far wider audience. 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: wichfinder on June 07, 2012, 01:16:AM
whats all this rubbish about lie detectors and dna the daily record said luke Mitchell was guilty that's good enough for me that should be good enough for any sane normal person.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 03:56:AM
If you tell everyone and convince yourself of something for almost 9 years, repeating it will have no affect on a lie detector test.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 07, 2012, 07:21:AM
Wow the parrot talks during the night as well :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 12:20:PM
If you tell everyone and convince yourself of something for almost 9 years, repeating it will have no affect on a lie detector test.

he fought to take the test and past that says alot to me his mum past a lie detector as well and shes his albi

it would be hard for both of them to pass it if they were lying or are they both deluded.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: maggie on June 07, 2012, 12:29:PM
he fought to take the test and past that says alot to me his mum past a lie detector as well and shes his albi

it would be hard for both of them to pass it if they were lying or are they both deluded.
That's true nugnug, unfortunately no one's listening.  A lie detector test can be dismissed as not proof in this country.  Psychological and psychiatric test results can be doubted and sneered at, where is the power?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 12:34:PM
funny though they use they youse same lie detector tests to dicide weather there going to relase dangrous sex offenders into the community if they really think there that untrustworthy they should stop using them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: maggie on June 07, 2012, 12:37:PM
funny though they use they youse same lie detector tests to dicide weather there going to relase dangrous sex offenders into the community if they really think there that untrustworthy they should stop using them.
Couldn't agree more nugnug.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 03:10:PM
i wonder if anyone else involved in the case would be willing to take the same lie detector test.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:36:PM
and why has it taken so many years for Luke to offer to take one? Funny it was only after his mum tested it that he felt confident enough to do it eh?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 05:40:PM
it was the first time they were offered they jumped at the chance to take it and they both passed i wonder who else involved in the case will except the challenge to take one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:41:PM
you say his mums his alibi, but on the frontline documentary when asked "have you ever asked luke if he killed jodi" she didnt once say "no because he was with me at the time" she answered "I didnt have to because a mother can just tell", it wouldn't be a case of motherly instinct helping you decide your son was innocent if you were with him at the time and knew for a fact it couldnt have been him, it wouldnt be left to motherly instinct to base ur opinion on. corinne messed up there. that was her chance to tell every one it couldnt have been him, luke was with her, nope she didnt mention it once.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:42:PM
it was the first time they were offered they jumped at the chance to take it and they both passed i wonder who else involved in the case will except the challenge to take one.

why should anyone else have to take one? they obviously all had an alibi. the police wanted to clear luke at the time but just couldnt.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 05:43:PM
she did mention it in the lie detector test witch she passed.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 05:44:PM
why should anyone else have to take one? they obviously all had an alibi. the police wanted to clear luke at the time but just couldnt.

most of them have no credible albi the police had luke down as there only suspect from day 1.

and were not intresteded any other suspects.

these other suspects keep whingeing about accused but they could stop that very easily be taking the test.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:45:PM
she did mention it in the lie detector test witch she passed.

like i said, do you know how polygraphs work, what kind of reactions detect dishonesty? one wouldnt experience these reactions if they were simply re-stating the same position they have for all these years.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:46:PM
most of them have no credible albi the police had luke down as there only suspect from day 1.

and were not intresteded any other suspects.

luke was a suspect from day 1? why did they interview 3000 people if they already had their man?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 05:51:PM
like i said, do you know how polygraphs work, what kind of reactions detect dishonesty? one wouldnt experience these reactions if they were simply re-stating the same position they have for all these years.

i know the chances of 2 people taking the test idependantly telling the same lies and passing the test are virtully non existent.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:52:PM
i know the chances of 2 people taking the test idependantly telling the same lies and passing the test are virtully non existent.

how do you know that? can you post a link to any another example of 2 people saying the same lie for 9 years and not passing?

how do you know luke is innocent?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:53:PM
the mitchells pick n choose when it suits them, lie detectors arent taken seriously in law. funny when police showed their sky interview to the human lie detector in America that his opinion was completely rubbished, yet an unreliable machine is now gospel.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:55:PM
theres no doubt in my mind luke mitchell could beat a lie detector, he's proven to be a cold person, someone who shows no emotion finding a body, shows no emotion in hours of police interrogation, and doesnt even respond emotionally to being found guilty and sent down... why would he feel anything when lying to a machine?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 05:55:PM
well the presence other mens sperm and blood on the body for a start

the fact that the there not a single trace of fronsic evedence linking to the crime but plenty of fronsics linking other people.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:57:PM
well the presence other mens sperm and blood on the body for a start

the fact that the there not a single trace of fronsic evedence linking to the crime but plenty of fronsics linking other people.

the semen was her sisters boyfriend as she was wearing her sisters top. Blood? post your source please
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 05:58:PM
theres no doubt in my mind luke mitchell could beat a lie detector, he's proven to be a cold person, someone who shows no emotion finding a body, shows no emotion in hours of police interrogation, and doesnt even respond emotionally to being found guilty and sent down... why would he feel anything when lying to a machine?

he showed plenty of emotion when finding the body

and when being qustioned.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 05:59:PM
how do you know that?

Wasnt Luke with her that day at school? they never hugged or made any contact? his DNA by all accounts should have been on her, and vice versa, yet it wasnt.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:00:PM
the semen was her sisters boyfriend as she was wearing her sisters top. Blood? post your source please

thats not the only semon there and theres no evedence to back up the sisters boyfriends story about the t shirt.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:01:PM
how do you know that?

Wasnt Luke with her that day at school? they never hugged or made any contact? his DNA by all accounts should have been on her, and vice versa, yet it wasnt.

so how does not haveing dna prove you guilty exactly..
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:01:PM
thats not the only semon there and theres no evedence to back up the sisters boyfriends story about the t shirt.

so jodi's own sister is lyin to protect her boyfriend? jodis sister knew her boyfriend killed her little sister yet stayed with him and gave him an alibi? what planet are you lot on
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:02:PM
so how does not haveing dna prove you guilty exactly..


it doesnt, but not having your girlfriends dna on you after spending the day together at school is suspicious, almost like it was all washed off.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:03:PM
thats not the only semon there

so more than one person murdered jodi? they both ejaculated yet no signs of rape or sexual attack? still waiting on proof of the blood, never heard that before
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:04:PM
so jodi's own sister is lyin to protect her boyfriend? jodis sister knew her boyfriend killed her little sister yet stayed with him and gave him an alibi? what planet are you lot on

its happened many times before
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:05:PM
its happened many times before

he was spotted with jodi on one end of the path, then later alone at the opposite end, all the times fit in i afraid.  his own brother said he wasnt home at the time yet he was down stairs burning dinner?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:09:PM
he was never positively identified by anybody the officer in charge of the investigation admitted that.

im wondering you cliam to be supporting wullie gage but seem to show very little intrest you seem to be more intrested in this one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:10:PM
he was never positively identified by anybody the officer in charge of the investigation admitted that.

so who was it then? why didnt they ever come forward? he was identified by a witness and she was a witness at the trial.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:12:PM
at the trail she couldent point to him even though he was standing right in the dock.

hardly  a  postive id.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:14:PM
at the trail she couldent point to him even though he was standing right in the dock.

hardly  postive id.


ofcourse not he looked totally different, between 14 and 16 is some of the biggest changes a boy will go through in life

time of the murder

(http://i.imgur.com/rMPNG.jpg)

trial

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/8/3/1249299405480/Luke-Mitchell-001.jpg)




it would have been less credible if she did say he was the same boy she saw, considering the time that had passed and change in appearance. she was just being honest, no reason to be anything other than honest why would she?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:15:PM
and whats willie gage got to do with this or my username? willie gage is innocent. i also post in the madeleine mccann case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:18:PM

ofcourse not he looked totally different, between 14 and 16 is some of the biggest changes a boy will go through in life

time of the murder

(http://i.imgur.com/rMPNG.jpg)

trial

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/8/3/1249299405480/Luke-Mitchell-001.jpg)




it would have been less credible if she did say he was the same boy she saw, considering the time that had passed and change in appearance. she was just being honest, no reason to be anything other than honest why would she?

the fact is she couldn'tto point him

she couldent say positively it was him she saw.

dispite the fact his face was all over tewspapers.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:19:PM
the fact is she couldn't point him

she could say positively it was him she saw.


she couldnt point him because she was being honest in court, he did not look the same, why would she originally lie about seeing him only to change her mind when she got to court?

can you admit you dont actually have a clue weather luke is innocent or guilty?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:20:PM
im postive that inocent.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:21:PM
im postive that inocent.

how can you be sure? im interested in seeing your proof
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:23:PM
i dont have to justify my opionions to you ive have allready stated why im sure his innocent.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 07, 2012, 06:24:PM
FreeWillyGage  not followed this case very much and I am trying to decide after reading the posts between you and nugnug whether you think Luke is guilty or what.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:25:PM
i dont have to justify my opionions to you ive have allready stated why im sure his innocent.

ah so its just an opinion so i was right when i said you dont have a clue weather he did it or not

susan lukes guilty as far as im concerned
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:28:PM
may he reffere you to this its contians the fronsic reports.

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/other-suspects/suspects-and-dna/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:28:PM
good attitude nugnug for someone trying to defend luke, whenever someone asks why he's innocent "I dont have to justify myself to you"

jeezo.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:29:PM
may he reffere you to this its contians the fronsic reports.

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/other-suspects/suspects-and-dna/


so 10 different people killed Jodi?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:30:PM
ah so its just an opinion so i was right when i said you dont have a clue weather he did it or not

susan lukes guilty as far as im concerned

what part of im postive that his innocent do you fail to understand.

you clearly have no intrest in freeing wullie gage at all do you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:31:PM
what part of im postive that his innocent do you fail to understand.

you clearly have no intrest in freeing wullie gage at all do you.


its not in my power to free anybody.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:32:PM

so 10 different people killed Jodi?

 it put that there becouse it contians the refrences to the blood and the sperm.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 07, 2012, 06:33:PM
Hi FreeWillyGage  I will have a read up and see whats what.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:36:PM
it put that there becouse it contians the refrences to the blood and the sperm.

why has luke failed so many appeals?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:37:PM
the same reson wullie gage does the same reason all the cases mentioned on here do.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 06:39:PM
the same reson wullie gage does the same reason all the cases mentioned on here do.

willie gage supporters dont claim to have a catalogue of information to clear his name im afraid. the mitchells have blamed everyone under the sun including every male member of jodi's immediate family and more.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 06:41:PM
well thse people could take a lie detector test to prove them wrong and they could always sue.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:01:PM
well thse people could take a lie detector test to prove them wrong and they could always sue.

and what kind of questions would you like to be put to the Jones family? funny how afew inconsistancies by the Jones family during a traumatic time in their life gets pounced on by the Mitchell camp yet when Shane completely forgets his brother was home and burnt his dinner that evening while he was masturbating in his bedroom, it was no big deal and just an honest mistake.

So let me get this straight, Jodi was supposed to meet Luke and never showed, so he just went on with his night, went out with his mates, went home and watched a video, and not once wondered where Jodi was or why she never showed up or hasnt contacted him to let him know? doesnt sound right.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:06:PM
oh thers a few questions i would love to ask maybe i could make a list

when i was the same age as luke if girlfriends dident show i thought nothing it merly thought i had been stood up hardly an unusall occurrence.

at the end of the day the mitchells have a certifcate to back up there story the jones have not though they could easly get one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:07:PM
oh thers a few questions i would love to ask maybe i could make a list

when i was the same age as luke if girlfriends dident show i thought nothing it merly thought i had been stood up hardly an unusall occurrence.

you wouldnt phoning them wondering what happened?

i'd be interested in seeing that list

and didnt jodi's step dad or whoever tell luke on the phone "she already left to meet you" yet he told police he just assumed she no showed due to possibly being grounded


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:10:PM
luke did phone back ounce to be told she wasn't there why would he phone when the family had told him she wasnt in it would make no sense.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:12:PM
luke did phone back ounce to be told she wasn't there why would he phone when the family had told him she wasnt in it would make no sense.

im talking about later that night after hed been out with his mates, he went home and put on a video, surely he would suspect jodi would also be home from wherever she was and this would be the perfect time to call and see what was going on? youre not willing to admit there is nothing strange about that?


judging by his recent letter published in a paper, he and Jodi were inseperable and in love, yet he had no concerns? when i had girlfriends at 14 texts were constant.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:16:PM
no im not there abslutly nothing strange about it all he would be seeing her the next day at school anyway.

it would of been to late for them to do anything.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:18:PM
no im not there abslutly nothing strange about it all he would be seeing her the next day at school anyway.

it would of been to late for them to do anything.

so its not strange that they were apparently so close and in love, for him to wonder where she was or who she was with? who she stood him up for?

at the very least, you'd expect a good night call or text between the young couple, no?

why did Luke tell his mate jodi wont be coming out tonight, even tho he apparently was expecting her and told his mum  to tell her where to find him if she turned up at the house?

why didnt he head down the path if he was expecting her to show at the house?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:22:PM
and that makes him guilty of murder does it becouse he forgot to phone his girlfiend who he would talk to the next day anyway by the same logic you could lock  half the population up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:25:PM
and that makes him guilty of murder does it becouse he forgot to phone his girlfiend who he would talk to the next day anyway by the same logic you could lock half the population up.

no that alone doesnt make him guilty of murder, it makes his actions on the night of the murder regarding hte victim suspicious though. either that or he was lying in that letter about how close he and Jodi were, in that case, ask urself why he would lie about that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:30:PM
him and his mum are the only people in this case who have a certificate to prove they dident lie
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:32:PM
no they don't, no one takes those tests seriously other than chavs on the jeremy kyle show.
Don't you know that guilty killers have passed lie detectors before then been proven to have been lying?

Lukes tracker dog found the body apparently, yet luke and the dog would have had to have passed the body and the same v break in the wall on the way up the path yet he didnt alert him of anything then? only on the way back down? this is proof it was Luke who found the body and not the dog, and this means Luke wanted to lead the family to the body as he wanted to witness their distress and reaction to his 'work'. truly evil.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:35:PM
there taken very soriously by the probation service they use them to decied weather to relase sex offenders.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:37:PM
no they don't, no one takes those tests seriously other than chavs on the jeremy kyle show.
Don't you know that guilty killers have passed lie detectors before then been proven to have been lying?

Lukes tracker dog found the body apparently, yet luke and the dog would have had to have passed the body and the same v break in the wall on the way up the path yet he didnt alert him of anything then? only on the way back down? this is proof it was Luke who found the body and not the dog, and this means Luke wanted to lead the family to the body as he wanted to witness their distress and reaction to his 'work'. truly evil.


a dog found sarah pians body a dog finds bodys that are concealed in the woods thats what dogs do.

would anybody suggest that the dog walker who found sarah pains body was involved hin her murder,
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:38:PM

a dog found sarah pians body a dog finds bodys that are concealed in the woods thats what dogs do.

exactly so why didnt it find the body on the way up the very same path? it would have to have walked right by it, why didnt it smell the body at that point? isn't that "what dogs do"? can you explain that?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:44:PM
a dog finds the body in most murder cases you read about it the papers all the time a man walking his dog found the body
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:45:PM
a dog finds the body in most murder cases you read about it the papers all the time a man walking his dog found the body

im aware of this, cant you read? i'm asking why the dog didnt find the body on the way up the path, it would have to have passed to body on the way to meet jodis family

im sure you can understand my question though and are choosing to avoid it because there is no innocent explanation.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:46:PM
exactly so why didnt it find the body on the way up the very same path? it would have to have walked right by it, why didnt it smell the body at that point? isn't that "what dogs do"? can you explain that?

probably because he relaxed his grip on the lead the rest of the search backed up his story about the dog.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:49:PM
http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/the-finding-of-the-body/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:49:PM
probably because he relaxed his grip on the lead the rest of the search backed up his story about the dog.

im not doubting the dog 'found' the body, i would expect a dog to smell a dead body/blood. What i want to know is why it didnt smell it passing it on the way up. (im guessing it probably did, why then didnt luke go over the wall then? he probably just tugged at the dog to keep coming... he didnt want to find the body at this time, he wanted to find it with the family to appear innocent)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:51:PM
are you saying he could control his dogs sense of smell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 07:56:PM
are you saying he could control his dogs sense of smell.

what are you talking about

i dont doubt the dog smelled the body, i just presume for it to have done this, it would have had to have smelled it also on the way up the path, why didnt luke and mia discover the body then?

luke wanted to find the body with the search party to appear innocent and perhaps for his own twisted thrills
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 07:58:PM
no killer would want the body to found or be anywhere near the body when it was found.

if hes storys not true how come the rest of search party backed it up.

on the way back down the path probably had more time to pick up the sent

on the way back down the path luke had also given it a command to seek and being a trcker dog it would of done.

h
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 07, 2012, 08:01:PM
no killer would want the body to found or be anywhere near the body when it was found.

if hes storys not true how come the rest of search party backed it up.

h

im not saying his stories not true about the dog finding the body on the way back down the path

i want to know why it didnt find the body on the way up the path?

it must have walked right past the exact same spot. No one was there other than the dog and luke on the way up, its consistant with the dog smelling the body on the way down, that the dog must have alerted luke to the body on the way up also, so why didnt luke discover it on the way up?



can i ask if anyone else on here believes luke to be guilty
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 08:07:PM
probably because he wasnt in charge of the search party jodis grandmother was and he was following them and pulling the dog along till jodis grandmother decided to search the path agian.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: lonny on June 08, 2012, 02:04:PM
If you tell everyone and convince yourself of something for almost 9 years, repeating it will have no affect on a lie detector test.

Please post the evidence for this
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 02:54:PM
I would like to see this evidence too
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 02:55:PM
im not saying his stories not true about the dog finding the body on the way back down the path

i want to know why it didnt find the body on the way up the path?

it must have walked right past the exact same spot. No one was there other than the dog and luke on the way up, its consistant with the dog smelling the body on the way down, that the dog must have alerted luke to the body on the way up also, so why didnt luke discover it on the way up?



can i ask if anyone else on here believes luke to be guilty

I used to think he was guilty now I do not.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: gordo30 on June 08, 2012, 03:15:PM
I believe Luke had a call from Jodi's mum that it was arranged that he make his way to her house by going up the same route he felt Jodi would have came down should she have been on her way at some point to his house. This was not a casual stroll with the dog, this was someone who had if you like an appointment and a place to be and was worried that Jodi had not been seen at all since she left the house before 5pm.

It would not be natural for Luke let alone any 14 year old to be going through any breaks in walls on a secluded path in darkness on his own, even if the dog had alerted him to some form of smell. FWG put it that the dog would have scented Jodi but then follows on with the lack of DNA of both people on each other after having spent the day with each other. Is it possible then that the dog would have scented Jodi off Luke? and therefore until the dog was asked to find Jodi it would have followed the course of its handler no matter what it scented on the way up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: gordo30 on June 08, 2012, 03:19:PM
im not doubting the dog 'found' the body, i would expect a dog to smell a dead body/blood. What i want to know is why it didnt smell it passing it on the way up. (im guessing it probably did, why then didnt luke go over the wall then? he probably just tugged at the dog to keep coming... he didnt want to find the body at this time, he wanted to find it with the family to appear innocent)

I also find this rather misleading as it was not Luke in control of the search party,he could not have known that they would have went back down the path he had just came up, I have heard that it was Jodi's gran who suggested they go back the way he came, this idea that he could of and didn't so brilliantly carry out a plan when so many variables were outwith his control amazes me.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 08, 2012, 03:20:PM
well it was tracker dog so it would tend to sniff on comand

pluss what it could do depend on how he was holding the lead.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 08, 2012, 03:21:PM
I also find this rather misleading as it was not Luke in control of the search party,he could not have known that they would have went back down the path he had just came up, I have heard that it was Jodi's gran who suggested they go back the way he came, this idea that he could of and didn't so brilliantly carry out a plan when so many variables were outwith his control amazes me.

your right it was gran in charge of the search party.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 03:24:PM
can I ask why someone claiming to support one alleged moj is attacking another alleged moj ? something is not ringing true here


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 08, 2012, 03:27:PM
yes thats what i thought janet.

see the thread here that might explian a few things.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2815.15.html
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: gordo30 on June 08, 2012, 03:31:PM
the mitchells pick n choose when it suits them, lie detectors arent taken seriously in law. funny when police showed their sky interview to the human lie detector in America that his opinion was completely rubbished, yet an unreliable machine is now gospel.

We know that Lie detector tests are not permissible in court but they are of no less and on a personal level more  important than mere circumstantial evidence. Luke's was convicted on nothing more than the weight of circumstantial evidence that seems to be turning full circle when we take into account these lie detector case's.

When you say FWG that the Mitchells seem to rubbish the human lie detector that was Prof Eckman then he did a very good job of that himself when he stated while a consultant on a film set of his profession that he could not tell if Luke Mitchell was lying, he felt that Luke had had so much contempt for the police that he just couldn't tell.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 08, 2012, 03:38:PM
Hi Janet  please excuse my ignorance but I am now becoming interested in this case could you just explain what you meant by your post as I said I know very little about it and cannot decide who thinks what.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 04:08:PM
Hi Janet  please excuse my ignorance but I am now becoming interested in this case could you just explain what you meant by your post as I said I know very little about it and cannot decide who thinks what.

Do you mean the comment I made re the freewillie person attacking the mitchell case?

If so what I meant is this free willie person posted a thread about this Gage guy and then instead of concentrating on telling people more about the case  which is an alleged moj while using a freewillie user name he/she then begins to attack the mitchell case which is also another alleged moj. I find that odd that someone in the same boat would do this and it looks like someone is out to cause trouble for some reason known only to them.

If freewillie wants to let us know about the case then why can't he/she answer anything?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 08, 2012, 05:00:PM
Hi Janet  I am becoming confused with the freewilly gage and nugnug as I have got to the stage I just don,t know who thinks what about either case think only the two of them are in tune I gather freewillygage thinks luke is guilty and nugnug thinks innocent freewullygage thinks willy gage is innocent and nugnug thinks guilty.  That is what I am picking up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 06:31:PM
Hi Janet  I am becoming confused with the freewilly gage and nugnug as I have got to the stage I just don,t know who thinks what about either case think only the two of them are in tune I gather freewillygage thinks luke is guilty and nugnug thinks innocent freewullygage thinks willy gage is innocent and nugnug thinks guilty.  That is what I am picking up.

I think I have worked it out Susan. FreeWillie might think gage is innocent but they don't really care either way. i think FreeWillie is just a cover. Someone might have run out of user names.   nugnug thinks both gage and mitchell are innocent. FreeWillie thinks mitchell is guilty and instead of talking about the case Freewillie posted Freewillie wants to discuss the mitchell case in a nasty way. You keeping up now?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 08, 2012, 06:41:PM
I chose this username as I lurked this forum and was surprised there was no William Gage thread... I am not being nasty just realistic.

There is absolutely no proof Luke is innocent I'm afraid. That's the problem with Mitchell supporters, they don't actually know if he's innocent. Sandra Lean doesn't really know if Luke did it or not. They've just all decided their opinion is fact. No matter how many times you repeat the same things though it won't make it fact, he can't prove he's innocent.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 06:44:PM
I chose this username as I lurked this forum and was surprised there was no William Gage thread... I am not being nasty just realistic.

There is absolutely no proof Luke is innocent I'm afraid. That's the problem with Mitchell supporters, they don't actually know if he's innocent. Sandra Lean doesn't really know if Luke did it or not. They've just all decided their opinion is fact. No matter how many times you repeat the same things though it won't make it fact, he can't prove he's innocent.

There is enough reasonable doubt to get at least a retrial for Mitchell. No one needs to prove his innocence on forums it is enough to show that there is evidence that he might indeed be innocent. The court is the place to prove innocence.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 08, 2012, 06:46:PM
There is enough reasonable doubt to get at least a retrial for Mitchell. No one needs to prove his innocence on forums it is enough to show that there is evidence that he might indeed be innocence. The court is the place to prove innocence.

I agree about the retrial, I believe one day it will all come out that Luke really did it. Most other "suspects" have alibi's, no motive whatsover, all behaved as expected at the time. Luke stood out for a reason, and his alibi turned out to be an absolute shambles.

Your little brother finding his girlfriends dead body would make a night pretty memorable, yet Shane completely forgot Luke came home and burned his dinner, but he never forgot he was up in his room masturbating (which  has been confirmed with internet history logs )

my problem with Lukes supporters is that they refuse to admit there is even a slight chance he could have done it, they are all in denial. It's very possible he done it yet nugnug even in this thread states his opinion as fact that Luke is innocent.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 08, 2012, 06:48:PM
can I ask why someone claiming to support one alleged moj is attacking another alleged moj ? something is not ringing true here

I dont believe this case to be a MOJ... So in order for me to believe Gage is innocent I too must believe Mitchell is? what kind of logic is that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 06:51:PM
I dont believe this case to be a MOJ... So in order for me to believe Gage is innocent I too must believe Mitchell is? what kind of logic is that.

you dont have to believe anyone is innocent but if you are promoting a case with the belief someone may be innocent, it does not seem good form to be nasty about someone else claiming innocence.

There is not one case on this forum that anyone can say for 100 per cent that someone is innocent.
The only people to really know if they are innocent or not are the people convicted.  But people can debate all the differing evidence and make up their own minds what they think about a case. That is called an opinion and not a fact. And that is all each of us really have on here to offer.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 08, 2012, 06:53:PM
Hi Janet  thanks for that I know now what is happening freewilly gage came on the forum supporting willygage who I feel is innocent and was set up.  He has got involved with nugnug over Luke Mitchell and gone off track on what he came to do.  I have not read enough about Luke,s case to consider one way or another.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 08, 2012, 06:53:PM
you dont have to believe anyone is innocent but if you are promoting a case with the belief someone may be innocent, it does not seem good form to be nasty about someone else claiming innocence.

There is not one case on this forum that anyone can say for 100 per cent that someone is innocent.
The only people to really know if they are innocent or not are the people convicted.

I'm being nasty? show me any post ive made where im doing anything other than stating facts???

and I dont know gage is 100% innocent, its my opinion, nugnug claims hes convinced mitchell is 100% innocent yet he doesnt have to explain why to me.

i wouldnt attack anyone who made posts regarding willies innocence and asked questions about suspicious things in the case.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 08, 2012, 06:59:PM
I'm being nasty? show me any post ive made where im doing anything other than stating facts???

and I dont know gage is 100% innocent, its my opinion, nugnug claims hes convinced mitchell is 100% innocent yet he doesnt have to explain why to me.

i wouldnt attack anyone who made posts regarding willies innocence and asked questions about suspicious things in the case.



you can read back and you will see that much of what you are posting is actually your opinion also and not fact. 
I have read through a lot of the information on here and other pages and nugnug is convinced 100 per cent that the guy is innocent. I am not convinced 100 per cent but there is enough doubt for me to wonder what the real story is.

Mitchell and his mother passed lie detector tests. I do not know the ins and outs of the test or what questions had not been asked but I would be interested in knowing the answer to that.

Perhaps you could post information about Willies case and show us why you think he is innocent.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 08, 2012, 07:05:PM
yea but i make it clear im only stating my opinion, by using words such as "perhaps"

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 08, 2012, 10:36:PM
heres the Facebook group.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/You-ARE-LUKE-Mitchell/286160341427261
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: wichfinder on June 08, 2012, 11:03:PM
the evidence suggests to me that hes a celtic supporter that's absolute proof of guilt as far as i am concerned.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 09, 2012, 12:28:AM
the evidence suggests to me that hes a celtic supporter that's absolute proof of guilt as far as i am concerned.

you could be right.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: bloggs and son on June 09, 2012, 12:28:AM
the evidence suggests to me that hes a celtic supporter that's absolute proof of guilt as far as i am concerned.
Well all I can say is that your view of the case surprised me for one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: wichfinder on June 09, 2012, 02:05:PM
well its a fact 90 out of 100 killers aer celtic supporters i know that donald findley told me.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 09, 2012, 02:19:PM
only ten per cent are Rangers supporters wichfinder? Do you have any documentation to support this
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 09, 2012, 02:51:PM
Janet take no notice of wichfinder is really a parrot who watches Celtic on the teli :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 09, 2012, 02:54:PM
Petty Polly is talking silly back in your cage now :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 09, 2012, 06:43:PM
heres another thread about the case witch covers lot about the case.

rather a long read though.

http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/12870/
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 09, 2012, 08:35:PM
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-relevant-maps/

relevant maps
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 10, 2012, 07:48:PM
Freewilliegage, I'm really disappointed as I thought you had registered on here to promote Willie's case.  You have posted more comments on this thread, (most of which are inaccurate and misleading) than what you have on the thread you started for Willie.   

People are showing an interest in Willie's case, between us all, we could get as much info as possible out into the public domain, and debate issues of concern that may arise.  Surely the most important thing in all of this is to get as much factual info out to a wider audience about the individual cases, so that readers can form their own views about whether a potential miscarriage of justice has occured.

I know a little about Willie Gage's case, but would be interested in learning more, so I would be grateful for any info you have, if you would post it on his thread to keep the discussion going.

I'm also a supporter of Luke Mitchell and think that he is innocent of the murder of Jodi Jones.  Can we all just get on with discussing the cases, regardless of what views we have?  It's the guys in prison who end up suffering when us on the outside all start bickering.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 10, 2012, 08:32:PM
If you tell everyone and convince yourself of something for almost 9 years, repeating it will have no affect on a lie detector test.

Who was he telling?  He had been excluded from school therefore kept away from his classmates, was arrested and placed in a secure unit away from friends and family, convicted and placed on protection.  In 2003 and after arrest when pleading his innocence he asked if he could do one and he was told he would never get the opportunity of doing a lie detector test.  That remained the case until 2012 when he was given the chance to do one if the prison agreed.  He was not informed of the opportunity of doing the lie detector until the prison gave their approval, and within a few days he was offered, he agreed, it was arranged and done, and passed. 

His mother had already done one weeks before.  As you know she passed too.  For years she had no one to tell either.  It is only really since the Luke Mitchell is innocent website was created, that his mother has been able to tell anyone anything.  People have different views on polygraphs, but if eye witness evidence and dna can be accepted in our courts, why not polygraph results? 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 10, 2012, 10:25:PM
as i have said how many other people involved in the case will be willing to take one.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 10, 2012, 11:07:PM
Sorry for the lengthy reply, but hopefully you will see where I'm coming from, as to why I said that your posts were inaccurate/misleading.  You are actually addressing nugnug with your questions, but I thought I would share with you what I know of the case, and also my opinion. 

you say his mums his alibi, but on the frontline documentary when asked "have you ever asked luke
if he killed jodi" she didnt once say "no because he was with me at the time" she answered "I
didnt have to because a mother can just tell", it wouldn't be a case of motherly instinct helping
you decide your son was innocent if you were with him at the time and knew for a fact it couldnt
have been him, it wouldnt be left to motherly instinct to base ur opinion on. corinne messed up there. that was her chance to tell every one it couldnt have been him, luke was with her, nope she didnt mention it once.

   
I see where you're coming from here, but how do we know she never mentioned in the interview at one point, that Luke was with her?.  The documentary was edited and I don't think we have any way of knowing what ended up not being aired.  Luke wasn't with her all of the evening.  I think it was stated that he left home at 5.30pm.  There  was no confirmed time of death.  I don't think that "corinne messed up" I think when she answered this question, "have you ever asked luke if he killed jodi" she answered honestly, covering times, even when she could not give him an alibi.

why should anyone else have to take one? they obviously all had an alibi. the police wanted to
clear luke at the time but just couldnt.

   
No one should have to take a lie detector test.  Two people who were witnesses against Luke were asked on the stand if they killed Jodi. They were each others alibi.  The police did not make contact with another potential suspect till 3 years after the murder, so it is not known if he had an alibi or not, another potential suspect was also not traced until 3 years after the murder, so it is also not known if he had an alibi either.  It is not obvious they all had an alibi, as it wasnt known at the time. Can you elaborate on the police wanting to clear Luke, but couldnt?

like i said, do you know how polygraphs work, what kind of reactions detect dishonesty? one
wouldnt experience these reactions if they were simply re-stating the same position they have for all these years.
   

Do you know what questions Luke Mitchell and his mother were asked during the polygraph?  The questions they were asked went far beyond asking if a pie was burnt and did they see each other at tea time and did she burn clothes in a log burner.

luke was a suspect from day 1? why did they interview 3000 people if they already had their man?
   
I am not aware of any other police suspect being interviewed.  Even after interviewing thousands of people there was still not one person who could place Luke Mitchell at or near the crime scene.  No witnesses and no evidence whatsoever.  Circumstantial claptrap was all they could come up with after all their months of investigating this murder.  All the manpower used and thousand upon thousands of pounds at their disposal, and not one piece of concrete evidence.

theres no doubt in my mind luke mitchell could beat a lie detector, he's proven to be a cold person, someone who shows no emotion finding a body, shows no emotion in hours of police interrogation, and doesnt even respond emotionally to being found guilty and sent down... why would he feel anything when lying to a machine?
   
You've got my interest. Can you tell me how and where it was proven that he is a cold person, who didnt show emotion when coming across the body, etc. If what you say is true then the witness statements from people who were there, and the police statement given must contain lies as they say different from what you state as fact.

it doesnt, but not having your girlfriends dna on you after spending the day together at school is
suspicious, almost like it was all washed off.

   
Washed off by Luke or the rain?  How could Luke or the rain possibly wash off his own dna from the clothes and naked body of Jodi, but leave the DNA of known and unknown persons on the clothes
and also on the naked body?  There was blood, semen, spermheads, hairs, saliva, found on the
clothes and body, none of which belonged to Luke Mitchell.

so more than one person murdered jodi? they both ejaculated yet no signs of rape or sexual attack?
still waiting on proof of the blood, never heard that before

   
I think that the fact there was semen/spermheads on the clothes, found on and in the body,
suggests that there could have been a sexual element to the murder.  I found the following link
very interesting when I was trying to make some sense of it all, due to the presence of
semen/sperm but no sign of recent sexual abuse http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/165/5/624.full.pdf

so who was it then? why didnt they ever come forward? he was identified by a witness and she was a witness at the trial.  ofcourse not he looked totally different, between 14 and 16 is some of the biggest changes a boy will go through in life.  she couldnt point him because she was being honest in court, he did not look the same, why would she originally lie about seeing him only to change her mind when she got to court?
   
No one positively identified Luke Mitchell, other than the boys on the bike who passed him, and knew him. You are referring to Andrina Bryson who was a witness at the trial.  She did not identify Luke in her statement or when he was in the dock.  She identified someone who may have been Jodi, although the description of the clothes worn were different to what Jodi was wearing when she was killed.  She only saw, a side view, or back view of the girl, she changed the story so I am not sure what view she did see, but her evidence was used as a sighting of Jodi, and if it were Jodi, then the male she was with must have been Luke, according to the crown. The person she described in her statement was nothing like what Luke Mitchell looked like when he was 14, 15 or 16.

so 10 different people killed Jodi?    

No.  But I believe that the DNA has to be revisited to find out who killed Jodi Jones, as the sperm must belong to someone, and as we already know it was not matched to the guy who is serving a lifer for the murder.

the mitchells have blamed everyone under the sun including every male member of jodi's immediate family and more.

I have never, not once, seen or heard of any member of the Mitchell family blame anyone, nevermind any of Jodi's family. Donald Finday asked Jodi's two cousins in the dock if they killed her, that was because they were near the crime scene when it was claimed she was murdered, disposed of the bike they were on, one of them cut their hair which changed his appearance, and they did not go forward to the police till nearly a week later, when an appeal on television was aired for them to come forward.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 10, 2012, 11:16:PM
im talking about later that night after hed been out with his mates, he went home and put on a video, surely he would suspect jodi would also be home from wherever she was and this would be the perfect time to call and see what was going on? youre not willing to admit there is nothing strange about that?


judging by his recent letter published in a paper, he and Jodi were inseperable and in love, yet he had no concerns? when i had girlfriends at 14 texts were constant.

The problem with this is that Jodi didn't have a mobile phone to recieve or send texts.  When Jodi text Luke after school she had used her mothers mobile phone to send it and Luke replied.  Later that evening it would not have been the done thing to call the landline late at night when there was school in the morning.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 10, 2012, 11:40:PM
what are you talking about

i dont doubt the dog smelled the body, i just presume for it to have done this, it would have had to have smelled it also on the way up the path, why didnt luke and mia discover the body then?

luke wanted to find the body with the search party to appear innocent and perhaps for his own twisted thrills

Perhaps Mia did scent the blood on the way up the path, it is possible.  When Luke left his mothers home he had arranged with Jodi's mother on the phone that he would head to her house, via the path.  He had Mia on the lead whilst walking the path, he also had a torch.  Before you get to the v in the wall you can see right up to the top off the path.  That is where Jodi's gran, sister and the sisters boyfriend were standing with their torches on, although he did not know at the time it was them.  If Mia reacted to anything, why would he stop to investigate, if it could have been Jodi at the top of the path with others.  He wouldnt have known till he more or less reached them exactly who it was.

Luke would have had no idea on his way up the path that the gran would insist on going back down the route he had just come up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 10, 2012, 11:53:PM
the evidence suggests to me that hes a celtic supporter that's absolute proof of guilt as far as i am concerned.

I would be suprised if Luke Mitchell knew one end of a football pitch from the other. 
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: wichfinder on June 11, 2012, 12:04:AM
yes but if quality newspaper like the daily record and the news of the world say his guilty i mean you've got to believe them.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 11, 2012, 12:09:AM
yes but if uality newspaper like the daily record the news of the world say his guilty i mean you've got to believe them.

only if your names wichfinder  ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 11, 2012, 12:15:AM
Mitchell and his mother passed lie detector tests. I do not know the ins and outs of the test or what questions had not been asked but I would be interested in knowing the answer to that.


Janet, can you explain what you mean about what questions not being asked as I'm not understanding this part of your comment, thanks?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: gordo30 on June 11, 2012, 08:13:AM
That's a pretty good understanding and concise summary of the case as I see it to Oncesaid, the trouble with people advocating Luke's guilt is they do it from the position of him being convicted and never see the problems with the conviction.

If FWG can answer these points with the same clarity it will certainly meet with some good discussion.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 11, 2012, 02:15:PM
Once Said what I meant was is there a list of questions that Mitchell was asked and for the people who doubt the test, what questions would you have liked answered that did not get asked.

Sorry I wasnt very clear
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 11, 2012, 04:16:PM
Once Said what I meant was is there a list of questions that Mitchell was asked and for the people who doubt the test, what questions would you have liked answered that did not get asked.

Sorry I wasnt very clear

Thanks, I see what you mean now.  :) 

I have no idea what the full list of questions was that were asked of him during the test.  Apparently the test lasted 2 and a half hours.  What is known as it is public knowledge, is that Luke was asked the following questions which I think would be questions that the doubters would have on their list and for me these 3 questions in particular covers everything, as in he didn't kill her, doesn't know who killed her and had no idea when he went over the v in the wall that a dead body would be found.

Were you present when Jodi was stabbed?  Did you stab Jodi on June 30, 2003?  Did you know for certain where Jodi's body would be found?  Luke answered NO.

His mum was asked if she had given him a false alibi, did she burn clothing and/or dispose of clothing and the murder weapon, and did she lie whilst under oath.  She answered NO to these questions.


Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 11, 2012, 05:56:PM
Thanks Once Said.

I do not think two people could fail separate tests like this.  I did think Luke Mitchell was guilty at one point but I am no longer sure he is. 
I wish him all the very best of luck for his appeal and hope the truth comes out for not only him but also for the Jones family.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 11, 2012, 06:24:PM
one thing i dont think people is yes there books on here to beat lie detector tests though how effective i dont know.

we would have to find who has read books then lied then passed.

but you will not find any such books in the nick.

and you would not be able to smuggle one in.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 11, 2012, 06:28:PM
Hi nugnug  I think it is very difficult to cheat the lie detector test providing it is being carried out by a qualified person.  I have read so much about it on the internet and truly believe with the sophisticated machines they have now and trained operators it would not be easy.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 11, 2012, 06:33:PM
well lie detectors can give false results sometimes but what is not said is there more likely to give false results the other way your more likely to fail one when your teling the truth.

than pass one when lying.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 11, 2012, 06:36:PM
hi nugnug  I had not heard that I am of the opinion they are pretty accurate whether you pass or fail but of course that is just my opinion.  They use them in the American Courts all the time.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 11, 2012, 06:56:PM
and what are the chances of both of them being able to pass it while lying.

i mean to independent tests.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 11, 2012, 07:00:PM
sorry nugnug I really can,t answer your question as I am not an expert on the polygraph testing I just have my own beliefs.  You need to speak with somebody who is knowlegable.  Sorry I can,t help you.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 11, 2012, 07:19:PM
i don't know myself but i think its very unlikely i except nothing 100% reliable nut that doesn't mean its unreliable.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 11, 2012, 09:51:PM
heres some nore on the main characters in the case.

http://mycrimesforum.myfastforum.org/forum4.php
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 18, 2012, 08:04:PM
theres no doubt in my mind luke mitchell could beat a lie detector, he's proven to be a cold person, someone who shows no emotion finding a body, shows no emotion in hours of police interrogation, and doesnt even respond emotionally to being found guilty and sent down... why would he feel anything when lying to a machine?

There's no doubt in my mind he was telling the truth. I'm still waiting on the proof from you where it is "proven" that he is a cold person. 

Three witnesses who were also there when the body was found explained in their statements how Luke reacted and behaved, and their individual accounts blow what you state as fact, out of the water. 

How would you know what emotions he did or didn't show when he was under police interrogation?.  Care to share what you witnessed whilst in the room, because unless you were in that room at the same time as Luke Mitchell whilst he was getting a brow beating, then you havent got a clue what sort of emotions he displayed? 

Why does Luke Mitchell showing no emotion/reaction to being found guilty go against him?  I think that even if Luke Mitchell had been found not guilty, he would have reacted in exactly the same way.

You are using words like "cold" and "shows no emotion" as a reason why you think he was able to beat a lie detector test.

Are you suggesting that his mother who also passed the test is also cold and shows no emotion?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 18, 2012, 08:40:PM
I agree about the retrial, I believe one day it will all come out that Luke really did it. Most other "suspects" have alibi's, no motive whatsover, all behaved as expected at the time. Luke stood out for a reason, and his alibi turned out to be an absolute shambles.

FWG, you agreed with Janet that "There is enough reasonable doubt to get at least a retrial for Mitchell" You then go on to say whilst agreeing that there is enough reasonable doubt to at least get a retrial that "I believe one day it will all come out that Luke really did it". 

Should it not have "all come out" in his original trial?  Should that courtroom at his original trial not have been swimming in evidence against the accused, and I mean real evidence, not the scraping the barrel nonsense they called circumstantial evidence? 

Are you suggesting that if there was ever a retrial that there would be evidence to prove his guilt which would be presented to the jury?  Evidence that was not available at his original trial "that Luke really did it"?  You cant be serious.  They had nothing concrete then, and even less now.  Are you also suggesting that Luke had a motive?  If you are, could you share with me what his motive was?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 09:38:PM
Are you also suggesting that Luke had a motive?  If you are, could you share with me what his motive was?[/font]

Are you suggesting every single killer needs a motive?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 09:40:PM

Are you suggesting that his mother who also passed the test is also cold and shows no emotion?


Funny how mummy went first eh? almost as if she was guinea pigging before Luke was confident enough to follow suit.

Please explain why, in any circumstance, his mother would feel the need to pass one before the person in question, Luke?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 09:50:PM
the thing about Mitchells supporters is, they have absolutely no clue weather or not he's guilty or innocent, there is no proof hes innocent, there is every possibility and chance he could have done it, yet they put so much faith into it to the point they will disrespect Jodi and every member of her family with their accusations. They are a very sad little bunch indeed, thankfully there's only about 10 of them. The only miscarriage of justice on that site is that Billy Middleton got a "not proven" verdict at his trial.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 09:58:PM
Are you suggesting every single killer needs a motive?

FWG I was responding to you when you stated "I believe one day it will all come out that Luke really did it. Most other "suspects" have alibi's, no motive whatsover, all behaved as expected at the time".

Now that I have reread what you have written in bold, could you explain what you mean, do you mean other suspects in this case had alibis, no motive whatsever, all behaved as expected etc
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 10:01:PM
FWG I was responding to you when you stated "I believe one day it will all come out that Luke really did it. Most other "suspects" have alibi's, no motive whatsover, all behaved as expected at the time".

Now that I have reread what you have written in bold, could you explain what you mean, do you mean other suspects in this case had alibis, no motive whatsever, all behaved as expected etc


well they all got cleared didnt they i heard 3000 people were interviewed yet you all seem to think police decided "oh its luke" the second they arrived at the scene....

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 10:10:PM

Funny how mummy went first eh? almost as if she was guinea pigging before Luke was confident enough to follow suit.

Please explain why, in any circumstance, his mother would feel the need to pass one before the person in question, Luke?

Do you realise how ridiculous this sounds?  ::)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 10:14:PM
Do you realise how ridiculous this sounds?  ::)

Just as I expected, no explanation for why the maw would feel the need to do the test more than him...

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 10:17:PM
Similar to how none of you will give an explanation why the dog didnt lead Luke to the body on the way up the path... ( or did he? )

a trained tracking dog walked past a blood soaked human body and didnt alert luke to anything, but on the way back down he did eh ok sure pal.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 10:41:PM
the thing about Mitchells supporters is, they have absolutely no clue weather or not he's guilty or innocent, there is no proof hes innocent, there is every possibility and chance he could have done it, yet they put so much faith into it to the point they will disrespect Jodi and every member of her family with their accusations. They are a very sad little bunch indeed, thankfully there's only about 10 of them. The only miscarriage of justice on that site is that Billy Middleton got a "not proven" verdict at his trial.

FWG, could you please enlighten me as to how he could have done it?  You are adamant that Luke Mitchell is guilty so you surely must have an idea as to how he committed this crime and I am genuinely interested in knowing your opinion.  Unfortunately when discussing cases the victim has to be spoken about, but everything that has been mentioned about Jodi has been in the public domain since 2003, that is not disrespecting the girl, that is discussing facts in relation to the case which were part of the murder enquiry and trial. As for the family being disrespected, and accusations, accusations about who/what?  Again, what certain members of the Jones family did or didnt do has been public knowledge, and was made so due to the murder investigation of Jodi Jones and the trial of Luke Mitchell.  Debating the family's statements, and the drug use/dealing within the family etc etc is not making accusations, it is facts related to the case.

As for mentioning the WAP forum, why?  You have already had a dig at Dr Sandra Lean, and now your on about the websites owner who promotes Lukes case.  Do you seriously think that they are the only people that believe in Luke Mitchells innocence? 

What really pisses me off most of all is that you have used another miscarriage of justice victims name, to get your foot in the door, so that you could start your abuse towards Luke Mitchell supporters.  You clearly dont give a toss about Willie Gage.

If you think the correct person is in prison for the murder of Jodi Jones, why dont you leave his supporters to continue getting the facts out to a wider audience via the internet, instead of coming on to forums like this with the sole intention to mislead and disrupt.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 10:50:PM
I dont know that he did it,  i am willing to admit there is a chance it was someone else, you cant admit it could have been him though can you? you cant admit jodi set off to meet Luke, something happened and he killed her, Lukes brother doesnt even remember seeing him in the house n apparently he burned his dinner. sure. Massive inconsistancy there in the alibi, but when some members of the search party change minor details in their statements, youl latch on to it for years.

ps I believe Willie Gage is innocent, thats as far as you need to read into my username choice.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 10:54:PM
why would i have to "get my foot in the door" of a forum? please go outside.

I could have joined here as any name and said the exact same things, I could have made up something random, like you have...

Im failing to see your problem with me choosing a supportive username for a certain individual.

You have no idea how I know Willie Gage.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 10:55:PM


If you think the correct person is in prison for the murder of Jodi Jones, why dont you leave his supporters to continue getting the facts out to a wider audience via the internet, instead of coming on to forums like this with the sole intention to mislead and disrupt.


speaking of facts...

Similar to how none of you will give an explanation why the dog didnt lead Luke to the body on the way up the path... ( or did he? )

a trained tracking dog walked past a blood soaked human body and didnt alert luke to anything, but on the way back down he did eh ok sure pal.

still waiting



lol @ a debate/argument and genuine fair points being raised being "misleading and distrubting" this is exactly what Im talking about.

I'm not misleading anyone. You're avoiding basic questions.





ps If my username is such an issue with you, I'll gladly sign up as my real name, if you will too...

no? thought not


funny how all of mitchells supporters hide behind an alias to make their points. Billy doesnt even use his own name on his own forum.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 11:08:PM

Funny how mummy went first eh? almost as if she was guinea pigging before Luke was confident enough to follow suit.

Please explain why, in any circumstance, his mother would feel the need to pass one before the person in question, Luke?

I can't speak on behalf of Luke Mitchells mother,  but what I can tell you is what I know as fact and my opinion and that is it was not a case of who would go first.  Corrine Mitchell was asked first to do the polygraph test.  From the initial time of being asked, and doing it, Luke was not aware of what was going on.  It was done and dusted in a few days and he was informed on the day the test was completed, by his mother.  She is not in prison, she did not have to request permission from anyone, she could have agreed to take the test, or she could have refused and no one, as in the general public, would have been any the wiser. 

There was no evidence against Luke Mitchell, his trial was ran on circumstantial evidence alone.  The crown introduced that his mother had helped him to dispose of blood stained clothing, for the jury to consider this they had to discredit her, and they did.  I expect that most of the jury believed that his mother had lied under oath.  The crown also accused her of giving him a false alibi.  She wanted to prove that she had not lied for her son, had not given him a false alibi or disposed of clothes or a murder weapon, etc hence the reason why she jumped at the chance of a polygraph.  Taking the test was not about Luke, it was about her.  She wanted people to know that she had been telling the truth all along.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 11:11:PM
Similar to how none of you will give an explanation why the dog didnt lead Luke to the body on the way up the path... ( or did he? )a trained tracking dog walked past a blood soaked human body and didnt alert luke to anything, but on the way back down he did eh ok sure pal.

If you care to read my previous posts, I did give an explanation, based on my opinion, of course.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 11:15:PM
Similar to how none of you will give an explanation why the dog didnt lead Luke to the body on the way up the path... ( or did he? )
a trained tracking dog walked past a blood soaked human body and didnt alert luke to anything, but on the way back down he did eh ok sure pal.

FWG, This is what I said on a previous post.  Perhaps Mia did scent the blood on the way up the path, it is possible.  When Luke left his mothers home he had arranged with Jodi's mother on the phone that he would head to her house, via the path.  He had Mia on the lead whilst walking the path, he also had a torch.  Before you get to the v in the wall you can see right up to the top off the path.  That is where Jodi's gran, sister and the sisters boyfriend were standing with their torches on, although he did not know at the time it was them.  If Mia reacted to anything, why would he stop to investigate, if it could have been Jodi at the top of the path with others.  He wouldnt have known till he more or less reached them exactly who it was.

Luke would have had no idea on his way up the path that the gran would insist on going back down the route he had just come up.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 19, 2012, 11:17:PM
Too little too late..

btw..

From the initial time of being asked, and doing it, Luke was not aware of what was going on.  It was done and dusted in a few days and he was informed on the day the test was completed, by his mother. 


woops, blatant lie there =/

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 11:26:PM
why would i have to "get my foot in the door" of a forum? please go outside.

I could have joined here as any name and said the exact same things, I could have made up something random, like you have...

Im failing to see your problem with me choosing a supportive username for a certain individual.

You have no idea how I know Willie Gage.

If that is the case, then why are we on this thread discussing Luke Mitchell?  Why are we not on Willie's thread, that you started?  Willies case needs exposure and more people need to hear about it.  My problem is if you are using Willie Gage's name and dont give a shit about him or his predicament, that would be bang out of order.  As I have said on a previous post, I'm interested in Willies case, and if you genuinely do know of him/his case and believe in his innocence, then I would genuinely be interested in hearing more about his case, on his thread.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 11:35:PM
Too little too late..

btw..


woops, blatant lie there =/

What is a blatant lie?  Why would I lie about anything? If you mean the number of days since being asked and taking the test, I thought it was 3 days but I will be able to double check that information tomorrow, unless another poster can confirm the timescale before then.  If you are saying it is a lie, then can you tell me how many days it was then to correct my error?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 20, 2012, 12:39:AM
Are you suggesting every single killer needs a motive?

If someone is going to kill someone else they do so for a reason. Surely that is motive
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 20, 2012, 01:37:AM
If someone is going to kill someone else they do so for a reason. Surely that is motive

if that counts as a motive, then Luke had one.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: gordo30 on June 20, 2012, 08:27:AM
If someone is going to kill someone else they do so for a reason. Surely that is motive

This part of the question is whats important what was the reason he had to go for killing someone in the 1st place? just by doing it doesn't provide motive.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 20, 2012, 10:11:AM
at the end of day as oncesaid pointed out Corrine could of refused to take the test and nobody would have known nobody had challenged Luke or Corrine to take the test.

but both chose to take it anyway.

nobody else involved in the case has ever volunteered to take one
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 20, 2012, 01:37:PM
if that counts as a motive, then Luke had one.

As I stated if someone kills another person, then there is always a reason behind it.
I think there was other people who may have had a motive also.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 20, 2012, 09:38:PM
well you would think that any sane person would need a motive to kill someone and luke was pronounced to be sane.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Nuala on June 20, 2012, 09:44:PM
well you would think that any sane person would need a motive to kill someone and luke was pronounced to be sane.


Good points here and in the post above, Nug Nug.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 21, 2012, 11:18:AM
Quote from: OnceSaid on June 19, 2012, 11:08:PM
From the initial time of being asked, and doing it, Luke was not aware of what was going on.  It was done and dusted in a few days and he was informed on the day the test was completed, by his mother. 

Too little too late..

btw..

woops, blatant lie there =/

What is a blatant lie?  Why would I lie about anything? If you mean the number of days since being asked and taking the test, I thought it was 3 days but I will be able to double check that information tomorrow, unless another poster can confirm the timescale before then.  If you are saying it is a lie, then can you tell me how many days it was then to correct my error?

FWG, I have double checked the information that you say is a "blatant lie". I only rechecked as in the back of my mind I thought it may have been four days from start to finish.  I was correct, it was done and dusted in 3 days. 

Mrs Mitchell was contacted after office hours on the evening of Monday 20th February and asked if given the opportunity to do a lie detector would she do it. 
Tuesday 21st February the test was booked.
Wednesday 22nd February the test was confirmed. 
Thursday 23rd February the test was done.
Luke was informed by his mother at a visit on the 23rd, that she had been given the chance to do the test and had done it.

I find it really odd that you would say that my information was a blatant lie, so you are either deliberately trying to goad me, or someone else has been filling your head with nonsense and you have soaked it in like a sponge. 




Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: Janet on June 21, 2012, 11:28:AM
Quote
I find it really odd that you would say that my information was a blatant lie, so you are either deliberately trying to goad me, or someone else has been filling your head with nonsense and you have soaked it in like a sponge. 

OnceSaid   you answered yourself. It is clear what is happening here. I wonder who could be doing this?  ::)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 22, 2012, 03:29:PM
are so in other words Corrine was offered the test immediately excepted then passed it.

no uming and erring about weather she would or not no asking for time to think about it she said yes straght away.

now would someone who was lying do that.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: lonny on June 22, 2012, 03:39:PM
I don't think he did it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 22, 2012, 06:41:PM
well if i was lying about something and someone offred to give me a polygraph test now even if i thought there was a chance i could fool it i would have to have a good think before i agreed to take it but corrine dident she said yes straght away.

so i can only conclude she was telling the truth.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 22, 2012, 06:49:PM
Hi nugnug  If I knew that every question I was asked I was going to give a truthful answer yes of course I would take a polygraph test if I thought I was going to have to tell one lie I would not risk it.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra L on June 22, 2012, 07:02:PM
May I also point out that neither Corinne nor Luke knew what the questions would be until the day of the actual test itself. So there was no way they could have "rehearsed" answers in advance - both went into the test completely "blind,"  prepared to answer any question put to them.

For me, that speaks volumes, regardless of the "admissibility" of polygraphs as evidence.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 22, 2012, 07:06:PM
are so they couldn't possibly train themselves to pass the test.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra L on June 22, 2012, 07:09:PM
Just to clarify, by "the day of the test," I mean actually in the room with the polygraph tester - they didn't even have any warning before going into the test itself.

So yes, nugnug, no chance to "train themselves" whatsoever.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 22, 2012, 07:10:PM
nugnug I would not have thought it possible to train yourself to pass a polygraph test people try different ways but they are sussed out very quick.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 22, 2012, 07:11:PM
so it would be a completly insane thing to do if you wernt telling the truth.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra L on June 22, 2012, 07:16:PM
Hi, Susan, the argument about "training" to pass the polygraph is one which has been floated several times by people who doubt the reliability of the test.

These are the same people who use previous cases in which the perpetrator has passed a test when they actually committed the crime to negate the modern polygraph.

However, the points about Luke and Corinne both passing independently, with completely different questions, of which they had no knowledge prior to the test, are that (a) the likelihood of both passing in these circumstnaces, had they been dishonest, is virtually non-existent and (b), as nugnug says, they would have to have been totally crazy to take the tests, in these circumstnaces, had they been lying.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 22, 2012, 07:21:PM
Hi Sandra L  to be totally honest with you I am not well up on the case or polygraph testings I have read it is difficult to cheat the test but who am I to argue any different.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: bloggs and son on June 22, 2012, 07:21:PM
Hi, Susan, the argument about "training" to pass the polygraph is one which has been floated several times by people who doubt the reliability of the test.

These are the same people who use previous cases in which the perpetrator has passed a test when they actually committed the crime to negate the modern polygraph.

However, the points about Luke and Corinne both passing independently, with completely different questions, of which they had no knowledge prior to the test, are that (a) the likelihood of both passing in these circumstnaces, had they been dishonest, is virtually non-existent and (b), as nugnug says, they would have to have been totally crazy to take the tests, in these circumstnaces, had they been lying.
A very good point Sandra. The one backs up the other so to speak.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra L on June 22, 2012, 07:48:PM
Hi Sandra L  to be totally honest with you I am not well up on the case or polygraph testings I have read it is difficult to cheat the test but who am I to argue any different.

Yes, there are many reports of how difficult it is to cheat the test, and similarly, arguments about how unreliable the test is - I really had no idea one way or the other, since the available information seemed to be split 50/50. I will see if I can find the links to the reports I read when the possibiity of Corinne and Luke taking the tests came up - if I still have them, I'll try to post them up.

A little background info on this case - Corinne and Luke had both said, right from the beginning, that they would take polygraphs anywhere, any time, when it became apparent that the police investigation was focussing on Luke as the perpetrator. They were refused repeatedly, and for a number of reasons - they're not admissible as evidence, they can't be done in Scottish prisons, etc, etc. It was only this year that we were lucky enough to discover that they can be done in Scottish prisons (or any other prisons for that matter) - as soon as that was clear, the whole thing swung into motion, and thereafter, it all happened very quickly for Corinne.

It was a little more difficult with Luke, as the prison took some time to make its decision - I don't think that was so much about whether it should be allowed or not, but more to do with the security arrangements because of the high profile of the case. What I will say is that the prison was fantastic once permission had been obtained - they really accomodated the difficulties of time, privacy, etc, and were very helpful all round.

You can read about Luke's case at http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/, although that site is now in much need of updating. There's also a forum which runs to over 800 pages - it's a lot of reading and a very complex case. I rarely have time to post other than on the above forum or facebook - I just happen to have a few days free at the moment, and noticed the discussion about the polygraph on here, so thought I'd pop in and say hello.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 22, 2012, 07:56:PM
now the question is will other people involved in the case except the challenge so readily or at all.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 22, 2012, 11:12:PM
Hi Sandra, do you know how many questions were asked in total, in both Luke's and his mothers test?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: OnceSaid on June 23, 2012, 12:03:AM
so it would be a completly insane thing to do if you wernt telling the truth.

Absolutely.  If I was Luke Mitchell's mother and I was telling the truth all along and had nothing to hide, I would do the test but I would have been an absolute nervous wreck, before during and after.  Over the years, this woman has suffered terribly due to the negative press attention, which in turn resulted in her being asaulted, threatened, her buisness attacked etc.  The consequences would have been too great and dangerous to take a risk, if she were in anyway being dishonest.

If I was Luke Mitchell and I was telling the truth and had nothing to hide, same as his mum, I would have been a wreck, but I would have done the test.  In a prison enviroment, if I had anything to hide whatsover, I would not take the test, especially after pleading my innocence from day one.  To fail a lie detector in prison when claiming to be a moj victim, could put your life in danger, so it would not be worth it having to look over your shoulder 24/7 getting caught out in a lie.

If it were me, reports of the tests being unreliable, or advice that it could all backfire, would probably fall on deaf ears, because if I knew I was telling the truth, the chance to prove it would be so great, it would be something I had to do regardless, but as long as I knew I was being honest there would be no hesitation. 

I'm with nugnug on this, who else related to this case would be brave enough to step up to the plate?
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 23, 2012, 12:23:AM
well if you would have been a nervous wreck telling the truth what you be like if you were lying ten times worse i would imagine

i mean even someone who thought they could con the test would have no way of knowing it for a fact.

i certanly think its time this test was suggested to others involved in there case if only just to see what there reaction is.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra on June 23, 2012, 01:35:AM
well if you would have been a nervous wreck telling the truth what you be like if you were lying ten times worse i would imagine

i mean even someone who thought they could con the test would have no way of knowing it for a fact.

i certanly think its time this test was suggested to others involved in there case if only just to see what there reaction is.
polygraph tests are a fake science. they just dont work and the mitchells were lucky not to have come of even worse because of all this.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 23, 2012, 01:48:AM
so why do the authority use them then if there fake science.

luck had nothing to do with it nobody can be that lucky.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra on June 23, 2012, 01:56:AM
so why do the authority use them then if there fake science.

luck had nothing to do with it nobody can be that lucky.
what authority?   

its all down to the operator.  he can say whatever he likes.  after all he gets paid by results.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 23, 2012, 02:01:AM
lie detectors are used in this country when deciding weather or not to release dangerous back in to the comunity.

something that you cant afford to get wrong to many times.

now they wouldn't be used for that if they wernt trusted as reasonably reliable.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra on June 23, 2012, 02:09:AM
lie detectors are used in this country when deciding weather or not to release dangerous back in to the comunity.

something that you cant afford to get wrong to many times.

now they wouldn't be used for that if they wernt trusted as reasonably reliable.
it is a false science that is why it is never used by the criminal justice system.

Don't you know of all the convicted people who passed the polygraph and then they admit they are guilty.   ;D
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 23, 2012, 02:15:AM
i only no of one.

at the end of the day the Mitchell dident have to take the test

and no chance to prepare.

i can name at least 2 cases where lie detecters are known to have worked.

colin stag and adrian prout.
oh and also rubin carter.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra on June 23, 2012, 02:22:AM
i thought he was so obviously guilty that he was running out of options.  it looks like he wont be coming home for a long time.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 23, 2012, 02:28:AM
not a matter of running out of options way they were offered the cance to take the test and emedatly said yes not something a guilty person would want to do i mean someone who was guilty would at least want to think about it.

but corrines just gone yes ill do it.

we can only speclate on when hes comeing home but i think it will be sooner than you think.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra on June 23, 2012, 02:33:AM
but he has no options left to him from what i have read.  didt the supreme court knock him back as well?

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra on June 23, 2012, 02:35:AM
maybe his brother shane should take the test as well and the we will know who is really lying.

its called a junk science and the us is getting wise to it.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/05/like-most-junk-science-that-just-wont.html
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: D-FENS on June 23, 2012, 04:22:AM
clearly guilty

he wis pumpin the maw anaw
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: bloggs and son on June 23, 2012, 10:20:AM
clearly guilty

he wis pumpin the maw anaw
Oh dear, not another numpty in the camp.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 23, 2012, 10:22:AM
Hi Grahame we certainly get um don,t we and they can,t even speak English
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: nugnug on June 23, 2012, 11:10:AM
maybe his brother shane should take the test as well and the we will know who is really lying.

its called a junk science and the us is getting wise to it.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/05/like-most-junk-science-that-just-wont.html

maybe you can elaborate ive quoted a few cases where it has worked.

if its junk science why is it used by so many government agency's.

what are the chances of  people takeing the test and independently and passing when they were both lying.

if you think there junk why do you want shane to take the test.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra L on June 23, 2012, 12:56:PM
Oh dear, another Sandra - this might get confusing.

Anyway, the poster who said that the tester is paid for the results was, of course, absolutely correct. Just one problem with that. It was a national newspaper which paid for Corinne's test, so they had no vested interest in the result one way or the other - they would have had a massively sensational story with either result.

The polygraph tester (and you do the professionals a disservice in suggesting that their tests are "slanted" to suit the paymaster, but that's another story, for those who take the care to research the subject), therefore had no "pressure" to produce results one way or the other.

What could the tester possibly have gained from a "slanted" result?

The "junk science" argument is something of a waste of time and energy, but may I just point out that polygraph tests have been used in the UK for some years to assess whether sex offenders are "safe" for release (and continued liberty), and have now been introduced on a trial basis within certain police forces (to assess whether suspects should be further pursued or not). So, if it's junk, it's junk being relied upon by our prison service and our police forces, sanctioned by our government.

On another note, as someone else, I believe, pointed out, the findings of fingerprint evidence, DNA testing, various forensic processes etc, have all turned out, in some cases, to be "junk science" by individuals using highly selective (and unprofessional) techniques. So perhaps it would be more accurate to say the sciences themselves are sound, the problem lies with the junk scientists who allow themselves to be unduly influenced by their paymasters.

That however, can't be said about the polygraph tester who carried out these tests, as has just been explained.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: D-FENS on June 23, 2012, 02:14:PM
Hi Grahame we certainly get um don,t we and they can,t even speak English

susan at least a ken the difference between commas and apostrophes ! is this a young couple or a maw n son?

(http://www.scotimage.com/images/scotimage-wsigv163428.jpg)

(http://www.scotimage.com/images/scotimage-wsidn163434.jpg)

creepy . n who takes a big wean eatin devil dug tae a grave site? head cases
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: D-FENS on June 23, 2012, 02:16:PM
funny how luke was "no tall enough to be the witness sighting because he was a short arse n the witness described a guy in there early 20s yet there he is towerin orr his maw and roughly the same height as 2 grown coppers !
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 23, 2012, 02:18:PM
D-Fens  sorry I am unable to understand your posts can you translate please :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: D-FENS on June 23, 2012, 02:21:PM
but youv nae bother readin nug nugs i bet eh cause it caters to your ideals
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: ngb1066 on June 23, 2012, 02:22:PM
D-FENS - Please do not post further until you have introduced yourself in the foyer, in accordance with forum rules.

Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 23, 2012, 02:25:PM
Hi D-Fen  Poor me does not have apostrophes on her laptop so she has to use commas I do know the difference as I was taught that before I went to Grammar School so please bear with me and I will do the same with you with I suspect your Aberdonian accent which I fine rather nice :)
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: D-FENS on June 23, 2012, 02:30:PM
ye can detect an accent fi text oan a screen ? you are a clever yin ! would you kiss yer son like that be honest
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 23, 2012, 02:34:PM
Hi D-Fin  No I will be totally honest with you I would never kiss my son in that way it is not the kind of kiss I approve of between Mother and Son.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: D-FENS on June 23, 2012, 02:41:PM
ad be mortified if ma mother grabbed my face wi both hands like that and leaned in for a kiss . no sayin this makes him a killer like but it suggests an abnormal relationship the pair hav got ! n add that wi the fact his mammy is his only alibi ! was the brother eatin dinner wi his family or chuggin in his room ? no tryin to be funny like just heard both diff accounts n wonderin what 1 it wis
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: sandra L on June 23, 2012, 03:17:PM
A kiss, D FENS?

Most people realise that the press take photos from specific angles, etc, to make one thing look like another. Look carefully at the photo to which you refer - where's the kiss?

Your comment about the "relationship" between Corinne and Luke is based on the same misinformation disseminated by L&B police. In fact, the original statements from the officer involved state that Corinne and Luke were sleeping in the livingroom, on separate settees, because Luke was on strong medication, and Corinne was worried about him falling down the stairs. The police knew this to be the case, yet chose to start a whispering campaign about them sleeping "in the same room," and inferring from this that the relationship was incestuous.

That's another thing - if people want to talk about this aspect of the case, it woud be helpful if they were honest about what they are implying - by "abnormal" or "unnatural" relationship, the many commentators over the years have clearly meant incestuous, but were worried about using the term, because that would tip the balance into an actionable accusation.

As for the height comparisons, again, be careful with selective photography. I am 5'3'', Corinne is an inch or so taller than me, which would put Luke, from these pics, at about 5'6'' - either these are quite short cops, or there is something to be considered about the camera angle etc.

All of the documentation about how the "incestuous" relationship rubbish got into the public domain is in the police files - it was a uite deliberate ploy, with no basis whatsoever in fact or reality.

Furthermore, it goes no way whatsoever to assisting anyone in deciding whether or not the available evidence supports or undermines the contention that the conviction of Luke Mitchell is safe or not, which is my sole interest in the case. If you don't mind, therefore, I'll restrict my participation to discussions about the actual evidence, not the media generated nonsense which surrounds the case.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: susan on June 23, 2012, 03:29:PM
sandra L  Thank you for that excellent post and I see what you are meaning things get twisted and warped and I can see the angle of the photo after studying it carefully.
Title: Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
Post by: D-FENS on June 23, 2012, 03:33:PM
either these are quite short cops, or there is something to be considered about the camera angle etc."

all of these different