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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other high profile cases => Topic started by: big-goolies on December 04, 2012, 04:07:PM

Title: Tracie Andrews
Post by: big-goolies on December 04, 2012, 04:07:PM
i see her release in July 2011 was kept rather low key
Lee Harveys parents fought tirelessly to keep her in prison
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: nugnug on December 04, 2012, 04:11:PM
i dont see any reason why she shouldent be realeased others have committed far worse murders and been released.

i mean it was only a spur of the moment domestic murder.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: big-goolies on December 04, 2012, 04:19:PM
i agree... if anything i think his parents should be helped so they get over their grief and get on with their lives
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: susan on December 04, 2012, 04:26:PM
Hi BG  how many years did Tracie Andrews serve?
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: big-goolies on December 04, 2012, 05:06:PM
14 years
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: Jo on December 04, 2012, 06:18:PM
I thought it had been all over, like when she had facial surgery, I saw it in the papers. I don't think there was much time between Tracie Andrews and Karen Matthews coming out but I can't be sure.
Jane Andrews is about due for coming out too, if that hasn't happened.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 08:54:PM
i dont see any reason why she shouldent be realeased others have committed far worse murders and been released.

i mean it was only a spur of the moment domestic murder.

"only a spur of the moment domestic murder" That makes it ok does it?
Have you ever been a victim of domestic violence? As for Lee Harveys parents, i dont blame them for wanting her kept inside, they must be devastated.

She had a bad temper and often turned on him, then stabbed him. Sorry, but she should still be locked up.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: ralph on December 04, 2012, 09:03:PM
i dont see any reason why she shouldent be realeased others have committed far worse murders and been released.

i mean it was only a spur of the moment domestic murder.
I dont think 42 stab wounds is classed as a domestic?
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2012, 09:06:PM
"only a spur of the moment domestic murder" That makes it ok does it?
Have you ever been a victim of domestic violence? As for Lee Harveys parents, i dont blame them for wanting her kept inside, they must be devastated.

She had a bad temper and often turned on him, then stabbed him. Sorry, but she should still be locked up.
I agree with you Andrea, domestic violence is horrendous and a murdered child, however old is just that no matter whether it was planned or a whim.  She must be a controlling bully.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:12:PM
I agree with you Andrea, domestic violence is horrendous and a murdered child, however old is just that no matter whether it was planned or a whim.  She must be a controlling bully.


Thats exactly what she was, Maggie.

This is the sort of attitude that was widespread in the 70's and 80's, "oh its only a domestic". Domestic violence is shameful and affects those involved for years, it never leaves you or your children.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2012, 09:13:PM

Thats exactly what she was, Maggie.

This is the sort of attitude that was widespread in the 70's and 80's, "oh its only a domestic". Domestic violence is shameful and affects those involved for years, it never leaves you or your children.
I know Andrea. :)
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: ralph on December 04, 2012, 09:15:PM
i agree... if anything i think his parents should be helped so they get over their grief and get on with their lives
I dont think they ever wil BG.Maureen Harvey, Lee's mother, has written a book called Pure Evil: How Tracie Andrews Murdered My Son, Deceived the Nation and Sentenced Me to a Life of Pain and Misery.[7]
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2012, 09:15:PM

Thats exactly what she was, Maggie.

This is the sort of attitude that was widespread in the 70's and 80's, "oh its only a domestic". Domestic violence is shameful and affects those involved for years, it never leaves you or your children.
Remember her on tv crying her crocodile tears.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:17:PM
Remember her on tv crying her crocodile tears.

I remember that, she was holding Lee Harveys mothers hand at the time too.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2012, 09:24:PM
I remember that, she was holding Lee Harveys mothers hand at the time too.
Can't imagine how you ever deal with something like that.  The urge to kill must be very strong, I don't believe in the death penalty but I can understand that.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: nugnug on December 04, 2012, 09:24:PM
"only a spur of the moment domestic murder" That makes it ok does it?
Have you ever been a victim of domestic violence? As for Lee Harveys parents, i dont blame them for wanting her kept inside, they must be devastated.

She had a bad temper and often turned on him, then stabbed him. Sorry, but she should still be locked up.

i never said it was ok i just all i said is there are far worse muderers about who have also been released after a simlar amount of time.

at the end of the day we dont really know what went on between the 2 of them
and we only have one verson of this from hir friends and family.

who also wouldent know exactly what went on.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: ralph on December 04, 2012, 09:26:PM
I remember that, she was holding Lee Harveys mothers hand at the time too.
Iremember that as well Andrea, but also as well as early release we also funded this for her. In November 2009 Tracie Andrews underwent a submandibular osteotomy operation to correct a class III occlusion. Specifically, this corrected her bottom jaw from protruding over her top jaw. The fact that the operation was paid for by the NHS was the cause of some controversy.[5] Were not such a bad nation after all?
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: ralph on December 04, 2012, 09:33:PM
i never said it was ok i just all i said is there are far worse muderers about who have also been released after a simlar amount of time.
I dont no nugnug i think 42 stab wounds is pretty horrific?
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:37:PM
You said it was just a domestic murder nuggy, that is the attitude victims of domestic abuse faced in the 70's and 80's, it wasnt taken seriously. Domestic or not, its still murder.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:38:PM
Iremember that as well Andrea, but also as well as early release we also funded this for her. In November 2009 Tracie Andrews underwent a submandibular osteotomy operation to correct a class III occlusion. Specifically, this corrected her bottom jaw from protruding over her top jaw. The fact that the operation was paid for by the NHS was the cause of some controversy.[5] Were not such a bad nation after all?

Her lower jaw jutted out somewhat didnt it?
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:41:PM
She also tried to say it was a road rage attack didnt she?
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: nugnug on December 04, 2012, 09:42:PM
You said it was just a domestic murder nuggy, that is the attitude victims of domestic abuse faced in the 70's and 80's, it wasnt taken seriously. Domestic or not, its still murder.

how do we know she was the only one who was violent how do we know he wasnt violent to her as well.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:47:PM
I watched the documetary about it, andrews own mother appeared in it.
She was the violent one, not him.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: ralph on December 04, 2012, 09:48:PM
Her lower jaw jutted out somewhat didnt it?
Yes it did andrea, my friends son had the same problem but found it hard to get it done on nhs but eventually they did it.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:52:PM
Yes it did andrea, my friends son had the same problem but found it hard to get it done on nhs but eventually they did it.

How long did it take Andrews to have hers done? Your son had to wait!
The world has gone mad!!
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: andrea on December 04, 2012, 09:53:PM
Your friends son, sorry.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: paris on December 09, 2012, 09:08:PM
I remember that, she was holding Lee Harveys mothers hand at the time too.
is this the woman (the blond one with the evil face) who stabbed her boyfriend in the road and pretended some randon road rage person killed him and had a knife hidden in her boot??...
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: big-goolies on December 10, 2012, 07:31:PM
is this the woman (the blond one with the evil face) who stabbed her boyfriend in the road and pretended some randon road rage person killed him and had a knife hidden in her boot??...

 
thats the one
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: Caroline R on December 10, 2012, 09:08:PM
how do we know she was the only one who was violent how do we know he wasnt violent to her as well.

She had a knife with her and then tried to cover the whole thing up. She was together enough after she killed Lee to make up the scenario about the other car. If it was domestic violence, she could have admitted it and it would have been taken into consideration but she didn't. Personally, I think she had anger issues and she lost it that night.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: Steve_uk on January 14, 2018, 12:37:AM
They were star-cross'd lovers who had survived the Thatcher years, yet fate meant that Lee Harvey's life was not to be spared as Juliet committed the crime, awoke from her potion, served fourteen years for his murder and never expressed the slightest remorse. https://youtu.be/laPrJXyaqFA
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: Adam on March 16, 2018, 10:38:AM
A far fetched story from Andrews.

Road rage does happen, but for a man to get out of his car & stab another man 42 times with a knife he had in his possession. What was Andrews doing during the attack, watching ?

The Bamber case shows killers will make up unlikely stories. The Sion Jenkins case shows that once a killer has denied it was them, they will take their denial all the way to court.
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: Roch on March 16, 2018, 01:12:PM
The Bamber case shows killers will make up unlikely stories.

It doesn't seem likely that Sheila Caffell could 'make-up an unlikely story'.  If Sheila could recount the content of the hallucinations she experienced, it could considerably benefit our understanding of what took place in the farmhouse.  Obviously that is never going to happen - because she perished as a consequence of the same hallucinations. 
Title: Re: Tracie Andrews
Post by: lookout on April 07, 2018, 05:03:PM
Those hallucinations are very real to the sufferer too. To them they are " real life " that is happening to them and coupled with the voices giving orders as is usually the way,those orders have to be obeyed.