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DISCLAIMER AND FORUM RULES => Disclaimer and forum rules and guidelines => Topic started by: ngb1066 on December 01, 2011, 03:52:PM

Title: FORUM RULES
Post by: ngb1066 on December 01, 2011, 03:52:PM
The owner of this forum and the Admin team want all members to enjoy their use of the forum.  In order to facilitate this we ask that the following rules are observed by all members:

After joining the forum and before posting please introduce yourself in the Foyer, giving brief details about yourself and about your interest in the case.

Please do not make personal attacks against other forum members, either on this forum or elsewhere on the internet. Challenge the arguments of others by presenting your opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully.  Please do not make allegations of a defamatory nature against forum members or third parties. 

Please avoid language which is likely to offend other forum members, in particular avoiding language of an obscene or profane nature, or containing any racist, sexist or homophobic element.

Please ensure that references to the victims in any case discussed on the forum are made in a respectful manner.  Please remember that victims may include those living as well as those deceased. 

Please refrain from posting spam in the forum or via the Personal Messaging system.

Please do not make posts solely to increase your post count.

Please do not register multiple profiles. If you do so all of your profiles are liable to be deleted.

Please note that members are entitled to conceal their identity.  Save in exceptional circumstances (such as attacks by internet trolls) attempts should not be made to reveal the identity of members.

Please note that the Personal Messaging facility is for members to exchange private messages and should not be abused.  In particular the facilty should not be used to broadcast messages to a group of members for the purpose of causing dissent or upset.  Posting of the contents of Personal Messages on the forum is strongly discouraged.

Where a forum member objects to a particular post or series of posts made by another member (whether on this forum or elsewhere on the internet) or to the content of a Private Message, complaint should be made either by using the forum reporting facility or by sending a Personal Message to an Administrator or Moderator.

Please note that breaches of forum rules may result in action against the forum member concerned. Minor breaches will normally be dealt with by way of a Personal Message to the member.  Offending posts are liable to be deleted.  More serious breaches or repeated minor breaches may be dealt with by a temporary or permanent ban of the member, or deletion of the member's profile.

Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: ngb1066 on December 01, 2011, 04:23:PM
The following was posted by Rochford on the original disclaimer thread:

Can we agree to start from this minimum baseline:

No poster is to allege of another poster that they are personally a liar.  This does still allow for questioning of a posters particular standpoint / experience / knowledge in any given area.

No poster is to personally insult another poster.  This still allows for posters to be critical of each others views and stand points.

Where searching questions are asked by a poster from one side of the spectrum, to a poster from another side, those questions should be worded in as polite a manner as is possible, so as to particularly avoid 'goading'.

Sarcasm should be overlooked, as long as it doesn't fall in to any of the above categories.  We can't police everything.

Multiple user-names are not permitted.  Please note we have one poster who has had a string of Christian names as user-names.  Bit of a coincidence?

This still leaves the problem of when two posters are having a spat.  Now this can become highly entertaining for other posters to view.  We don't want a sterile forum where there is no entertainment do we?  This kind of disagreement does sometimes further the debate because it often happens around a specific contentious issue.  I think when this happens we should look out for any of the above happening and also look out for repetitive, disruptive behaviour.

Rochford's suggested guidelines as set out above seem sensible and should be regarded as forum policy.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: ngb1066 on May 06, 2013, 04:59:PM
The admin/mod team are concerned that some members who are also members of the "red forum" are posting there attacks on our members and derogatory comments about this forum.  We have all agreed that although we will continue to have no objection to members joining and posting on whatever forum they wish, we do not consider that those who make such attacks and comments should continue to enjoy the benefits of membership here.  The forum rules have therefore been amended to reflect this change.  The changes are highlighted in blue.

We hope that all members will agree with this rule change and will bear this in mind in posting elsewhere.   One member has already been banned for persistent and serious abuse and PMs are being sent to other members who have made posts elsewhere which are in breach of this rule.

 
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Patti on May 06, 2013, 05:47:PM
I very much support this NGB. Might I add that, it is not acceptable in any shape or form to gossip about our members here or anywhere else on the internet or use derogatory remarks toward members who post on this forum.  Thank you.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: mat on May 06, 2013, 06:16:PM
Seems fair.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: susan on May 06, 2013, 07:30:PM
Hi Lugg I share your sentiments on that one.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Lugg on May 06, 2013, 07:30:PM
I wouldn't know who these people are because I never go over there. Neither will I judge anyone here for being a member there. A mistake I made before and hope to correct from now on. But I do agree with the changes to the forum rules if this kind of thing is taking place over there.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Lugg on May 06, 2013, 07:31:PM
Hi Lugg I share your sentiments on that one.
Sorry Susan It posted before I finished the sentence for some reason? ;D
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: susan on May 06, 2013, 07:34:PM
Hi Lugg I read your post again and thought I had taken a funny turn Ha Ha what you said does make good sense ;D
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: packagebuilder on May 06, 2013, 08:40:PM
 :) :) :) agreed!!! the red forum has the same rules, but they more then happy to attack members from here on their forum it seems their mods are the ones doing it!!
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Jo on May 07, 2013, 03:12:PM
I can see a time where it's going to be a straight choice between being a member of one or the other, it doesn't work being on both.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Lugg on May 07, 2013, 03:26:PM
I can see a time where it's going to be a straight choice between being a member of one or the other, it doesn't work being on both.
I made that choice a long time ago and for the life of me cannot see the benefits of belonging to 2 forums that discuss the same things? The other forum was created after this one and originally was set up purely for the reason of abusing members of this forum.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Jo on May 07, 2013, 03:29:PM
Unfortunately Lugg, you are correct, they don't even deny it. I don't really understand what they think it's going to achieve. At the moment they're to busy defending the Mccanns to bother about much else.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: packagebuilder on May 07, 2013, 10:39:PM
I made that choice a long time ago and for the life of me cannot see the benefits of belonging to 2 forums that discuss the same things? The other forum was created after this one and originally was set up purely for the reason of abusing members of this forum.

Correct!!! I only spy on the red forum to see whats being said about members here!!! it seems they stopped talking about me over a year ago now!! lets hope they read this!
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2013, 09:21:PM
what if john starts fake accounts with the same names as users on here he has done it before.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Neil on April 06, 2014, 08:42:AM
I didn't want to start a new topic, for what is most probably a dumb question!

Is it not possible to reply to comments in the 'Archive and Library' section?
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: maggie on April 06, 2014, 09:42:AM
I didn't want to start a new topic, for what is most probably a dumb question!

Is it not possible to reply to comments in the 'Archive and Library' section?
This is probably a dumber answer Neil ........... No idea!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Neil on April 06, 2014, 09:54:AM
This is probably a dumber answer Neil ........... No idea!! ;D ;D
;D Thanks for clearing that up, Maggie.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Jane on April 06, 2014, 10:48:AM
I didn't want to start a new topic, for what is most probably a dumb question!

Is it not possible to reply to comments in the 'Archive and Library' section?



Why not Neil? Others do :)

In answer to your question. I don't know.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: maggie on April 06, 2014, 11:00:AM
;D Thanks for clearing that up, Maggie.
Sorry for being hopeless about these things. Should guess Caroline's your woman for this.  ;D ;D  ;)
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Caroline on April 06, 2014, 03:27:PM
I didn't want to start a new topic, for what is most probably a dumb question!

Is it not possible to reply to comments in the 'Archive and Library' section?

Yes Neil of course, people may not always see the comment though but if other people have commented, I don't see why not.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: ngb1066 on May 08, 2014, 04:44:PM


Two members here have breached the forum rule set out aqt the top of this thread by posting attacks on the "red" forum on a member here.  In the case of one member this was not the first time such an attack had been made.  That member has been given a temporary ban.  If there is any further attack by that member on members of this forum the ban will be made permanent.

Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: ngb1066 on April 06, 2018, 12:07:PM
Please note that is totally unacceptable for any member to post threats on the forum.  Several posts and threads have been removed for this reason.  The member responsible for the posts has been banned and has been warned that a permanent ban will follow if this behaviour is repeated.



 
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: David1819 on April 06, 2018, 12:31:PM
Please note that is totally unacceptable for any member to post threats on the forum.  Several posts and threads have been removed for this reason.  The member responsible for the posts has been banned and has been warned that a permanent ban will follow if this behaviour is repeated.

I guess the divine intervention expired?  :))
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: ngb1066 on April 06, 2018, 12:49:PM
I guess the divine intervention expired?  :))

It must have done.

Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Roch on April 06, 2018, 02:55:PM
Please note that is totally unacceptable for any member to post threats on the forum.  Several posts and threads have been removed for this reason.  The member responsible for the posts has been banned and has been warned that a permanent ban will follow if this behaviour is repeated.

I hope the member concerned is OK - but I don't think the forum had any choice other than to take this kind of thing very seriously.  Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: David1819 on April 07, 2018, 10:03:PM
I hope the member concerned is OK - but I don't think the forum had any choice other than to take this kind of thing very seriously.  Let's hope it doesn't happen again.

The member in question is a loose cannon!
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: David1819 on April 14, 2018, 09:04:AM
No poster is to allege of another poster that they are personally a liar.  This does still allow for questioning of a posters particular standpoint / experience / knowledge in any given area.


Following the exchanges yesterday on the topic "A Tentative Sheila-As-Killer Scenario"

Can we please have a revision of this policy to remove the lack of ambiguity?

Accusation or allegation of a poster as a liar is one thing. Exposing and making it known that a poster is indeed a lair is another. The latter does not strictly break the rule above. Yet it is considered as doing such.

I have in the past pointed out people as lying and deliberately misleading. Nevertheless my posts in doing so were removed.

Lying and trolling is problem for any internet forum. Justified and legitimate exposé of such behaviour should be allowed. If this forum allows people to lie and troll then it should be permitted for posters to freely point out and condemn such behaviour. You cannot properly debate with someone who is lying if you are not allowed to point out they are indeed lying. The current standpoint taken by the moderators is IMO counter productive.

Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Luminous Wanderer on April 14, 2018, 09:34:AM
Following the exchanges yesterday on the topic "A Tentative Sheila-As-Killer Scenario"

Can we please have a revision of this policy to remove the lack of ambiguity?

Accusation or allegation of a poster as a liar is one thing. Exposing and making it known that a poster is indeed a lair is another. The latter does not strictly break the rule above. Yet it is considered as doing such.

I have in the past pointed out people as lying and deliberately misleading. Nevertheless my posts in doing so were removed.

Lying and trolling is problem for any internet forum. Justified and legitimate exposé of such behaviour should be allowed. If this forum allows people to lie and troll then it should be permitted for posters to freely point out and condemn such behaviour. You cannot properly debate with someone who is lying if you are not allowed to point out they are indeed lying. The current standpoint taken by the moderators is IMO counter productive.

I must agree, and it is also additionally that the attitude of the poster in question is, I find, quite 'off' most of the time.  He is rude and sarcastic as a matter of habit, and thus his posts are inflammatory.  It's clear that his intention is to flame and divert discussions.

If moderators won't deal appropriately with such posters, then they should not be surprised if the behaviours are highlighted and challenged on the open forum.

It is entirely within the scope of neutral handling to label a poster as a liar if that is what they are and to deal with them as such. 

In a similar way, if I - as a neutral on the case under discussion - found incontrovertible proof of Jeremy Bamber's guilt, I'd quite happily drag him out of his cell and hang him in Wakefield Prison yard from the mulberry tree.  The converse is equally the case: if evidence came to light that exonerated him, it would be neutral to declare him innocent.

Neutrality never fears the plain facts in front of us.  A liar is a liar is a liar.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Adam on April 14, 2018, 10:28:AM
Following the exchanges yesterday on the topic "A Tentative Sheila-As-Killer Scenario"

Can we please have a revision of this policy to remove the lack of ambiguity?

Accusation or allegation of a poster as a liar is one thing. Exposing and making it known that a poster is indeed a lair is another. The latter does not strictly break the rule above. Yet it is considered as doing such.

I have in the past pointed out people as lying and deliberately misleading. Nevertheless my posts in doing so were removed.

Lying and trolling is problem for any internet forum. Justified and legitimate exposé of such behaviour should be allowed. If this forum allows people to lie and troll then it should be permitted for posters to freely point out and condemn such behaviour. You cannot properly debate with someone who is lying if you are not allowed to point out they are indeed lying. The current standpoint taken by the moderators is IMO counter productive.

Thank you David. I sent a PM to both Maggie & NGB yesterday. It might be better if they respond to it on the forum, rather than to me personally. So everyone knows the rules. 

My view is a moderator/s should inststantly interject and take assertive action on a thread if a poster calls someone a liar or troll. This has always correctly been the case.

NGB was online and I asked him to interject straight after the first post saying I was lying, in my replies 18 & 20. I got no response from NGB resulting in the abuse escalating over the next 4 hours.

Another thread was created titled 'Adam is a liar and a troll'. This thread was taken down but no ban implemented. Thank you NGB.

Maggie posted on the thread in reply 31 and I assummed that the abuse would stop. However I was continued to be called a 'liar' and 'troll' in more posts as the poster disagreed with Maggies post.  I asked for assistance from Maggie on the thread in three posts, but got no response and the thread was locked.

I very rarely post on the other posters threads, 2 out of the last 15 at the last count. However always respond to 'Sheila scenarios' and did so here.

I used the 'Court of Appeal' as a source to show Nevill was shot upstairs 4 times. Two posts later I was told my posts are 'a form of lying' & called a liar several more times over the next 4 hours.  I disagree but even if the poster believes this, posting such is extreme goading and serves no purpose.

Hopefully this abuse won't continue to happen on the rare occasions I post on his threads.

I hope everything will be resolved this morning.

Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: maggie on April 14, 2018, 10:43:AM
Thank you David. I sent a PM to both Maggie & NGB yesterday. It might be better if they respond to it on the forum, rather than to me personally. So everyone knows the rules. 

My view is a moderator/s should inststantly interject and take assertive action on a thread if a poster calls someone a liar or troll. This has always correctly been the case.

NGB was online and I asked him to interject straight after the first post saying I was lying, in my replies 18 & 20. I got no response from NGB resulting in the abuse escalating over the next 4 hours.

Another thread was created titled 'Adam is a liar and a troll'. This thread was taken down but no ban implemented. Thank you NGB.

Maggie posted on the thread in reply 31 and I assummed that the abuse would stop. However I was continued to be called a 'liar' and 'troll' in more posts as the poster disagreed with Maggies post.  I asked for assistance from Maggie on the thread in three posts, but got no response and the thread was locked.

I very rarely post on the other posters threads, 2 out of the last 15 at the last count. However always respond to 'Sheila scenarios' and did so here.

I used the 'Court of Appeal' as a source to show Nevill was shot upstairs 4 times. Two posts later I was told my posts are 'a form of lying' & called a liar several more times over the next 4 hours.  I disagree but even if the poster believes this, posting such is extreme goading and serves no purpose. Hopefully this won't continue to happen on the rare occasions I post on his threads.

I hope everything will be resolved this morning.
I locked the post because I had personal reasons why I had to leave the forum one of which was that it was midnight and I had been travelling all day.
In acknowledgement of David's post, I expect Ngb will answer this when he is next on the forum.  Thanks
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: maggie on April 14, 2018, 11:03:AM
Thank you David. I sent a PM to both Maggie & NGB yesterday. It might be better if they respond to it on the forum, rather than to me personally. So everyone knows the rules. 

My view is a moderator/s should inststantly interject and take assertive action on a thread if a poster calls someone a liar or troll. This has always correctly been the case.

NGB was online and I asked him to interject straight after the first post saying I was lying, in my replies 18 & 20. I got no response from NGB resulting in the abuse escalating over the next 4 hours.

Another thread was created titled 'Adam is a liar and a troll'. This thread was taken down but no ban implemented. Thank you NGB.

Maggie posted on the thread in reply 31 and I assummed that the abuse would stop. However I was continued to be called a 'liar' and 'troll' in more posts as the poster disagreed with Maggies post.  I asked for assistance from Maggie on the thread in three posts, but got no response and the thread was locked.

I very rarely post on the other posters threads, 2 out of the last 15 at the last count. However always respond to 'Sheila scenarios' and did so here.

I used the 'Court of Appeal' as a source to show Nevill was shot upstairs 4 times. Two posts later I was told my posts are 'a form of lying' & called a liar several more times over the next 4 hours.  I disagree but even if the poster believes this, posting such is extreme goading and serves no purpose.

Hopefully this abuse won't continue to happen on the rare occasions I post on his threads.

I hope everything will be resolved this morning.
Imo there is a difference between suggesting someone is not being completely open or is manipulating information to suit their own argument and opinions and abusive name .ca'll ling whatever words are used to do that.    The forum would soon fall into total chaos is all posters verbally abused those they disagreed with.  Imo 'Liar' is an abusive term.
Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: ngb1066 on April 14, 2018, 11:08:AM
Imo there is a difference between suggesting someone is not being completely open or is manipulating information to suit their own argument and opinions and abusive name .ca'll ling whatever words are used to do that.    The forum would soon fall into total chaos is all posters verbally abused those they disagreed with.  Imo 'Liar' is an abusive term.

I agree.  It is fine to demonstrate that a poster has been illogical or misleading, or is totally wrong about an aspect of evidence or law, but that can be done without accusing the poster of being a liar.

Title: Re: FORUM RULES
Post by: Luminous Wanderer on April 14, 2018, 08:03:PM
I agree.  It is fine to demonstrate that a poster has been illogical or misleading, or is totally wrong about an aspect of evidence or law, but that can be done without accusing the poster of being a liar.

This is clown world stuff.  I genuinely do not believe you have any interest in a serious discussion of the case.

The point made about Adam is very obvious.  He is a brazen liar and a troll.

Please ban me.  I have asked you to delete my account before.  I sent the request three times through the admin function.