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Title: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: mike tesko on October 09, 2011, 08:08:PM
Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August

Only three pages, non of them signed by him...
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2011, 06:47:AM
Although it states there are 4 pages in this statement, there are only 3 pages in this version...
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: clifford on October 23, 2011, 09:52:AM
Although it states there are 4 pages in this statement, there are only 3 pages in this version...
Why does he say that he saw blood near the pillow area, when clearly blood was ON the pillow.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: smiffy on October 24, 2011, 01:03:PM
His description of the bed covers infers only June's side was pulled back  and Ralph's side was thus not pulled back. That would be conversant with him being a courteous double bed user , neatening it up a little when getting out of bed to visit the toilet, get up for work, deal with something or someone etc.

That contradicts the staged photographs in which the bed covers are pulled back both sides.

Evidentially it may mean 2 things;
1/ It was staged to not be set straight to allow the implication that he got out of bed after being attacked in bed when he was really attacked in the kitchen.
2/ If Sheila's body was staged on the bed as Mike claims from seeing a photograph , this was on top of the bedcover. If she was later moved onto the floor then bloodstaining on the bedcover top end area from Sheila may give the deception away ....so the covers are pulled back to cover up  this bloodstaining.  It is noted that these bedcovers were burned along with bedroom carpet etc by the police within days...permission sought for this on the day of the murder from an unwitting JB.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: smiffy on October 27, 2011, 10:57:AM
Delgado's first statement makes no mention of anyone mirroring up the main stairs and thus discovering the location of June's body. In fact he describes going up the stairs using we (presumably Collins and possibly Woodcock with him) and upon doing that June's body is then seen.

Thus doubt creeps into the later stories offerred up in which a mirror is claimed to have been used on the stairs from the bottom to the top to check things out. This would be very time consuming and very tricky due to the length of the extended poles and the angles needed on the mirror to use it to check out rooms etc and the upstairs passsage.  Effectively the main bedroom could not be properly checked via the open door using this method to ensure safety.

Was this "mirror story" made up or enhanced to cover the excessively long time the search took? Could it also have been created to cover up story when some persons were doing something very different that is not spoken of. The time it took seems to have allowed a large group to get together at the bottom of the stairs that seems most odd.
This supposed group gathered for the "mirroring up the stairs consisted of Collins, Delgado, Woodcock, Manners, Hall and Webb.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: smiffy on October 30, 2011, 09:53:AM
Considering Delgado was one of the first 3 to claim to enter the kitchen attention is drawn to his descriptions of Ralph. In doing so he makes mention of what has to be the AGA cooker by using the word "fire" . This seems most odd and out of place. Why did he say fire and not oven. aga or cooker?
It could possibly be because the door to the aga was open and the fire could be seen.
We are told in other statement that the aga was still lit.

So is the mention of "fire" made because it stood out in Delgado's memory. Other's may not mention such an open aga door as no doubt someone could have soo afterwards shut it.
One should also consider that 3 strange circular burn marks were described by the pathologist on Ralph's neck/upper back area. These burn marks seem to be unexplained in any of the evidence.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Newbury1 on November 02, 2011, 10:28:AM
Considering Delgado was one of the first 3 to claim to enter the kitchen attention is drawn to his descriptions of Ralph. In doing so he makes mention of what has to be the AGA cooker by using the word "fire" . This seems most odd and out of place. Why did he say fire and not oven. aga or cooker?
It could possibly be because the door to the aga was open and the fire could be seen.
We are told in other statement that the aga was still lit.

So is the mention of "fire" made because it stood out in Delgado's memory. Other's may not mention such an open aga door as no doubt someone could have soon afterwards shut it.
One should also consider that 3 strange circular burn marks were described by the pathologist on Ralph's neck/upper back area. These burn marks seem to be unexplained in any of the evidence.

Smiffy - a good point re the Aga fire. Does this lead us to think, and are you suggesting, that an implement (or gun barrel) could have been heated up in the fire to then cause the circular burn marks to Nevils back.

This element of possible "torture" would, in my mind, exclude Shelia from the murders.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Hartley on November 02, 2011, 11:11:AM
Considering Delgado was one of the first 3 to claim to enter the kitchen attention is drawn to his descriptions of Ralph. In doing so he makes mention of what has to be the AGA cooker by using the word "fire" . This seems most odd and out of place. Why did he say fire and not oven. aga or cooker?
It could possibly be because the door to the aga was open and the fire could be seen.
We are told in other statement that the aga was still lit.

So is the mention of "fire" made because it stood out in Delgado's memory. Other's may not mention such an open aga door as no doubt someone could have soon afterwards shut it.
One should also consider that 3 strange circular burn marks were described by the pathologist on Ralph's neck/upper back area. These burn marks seem to be unexplained in any of the evidence.

Smiffy - a good point re the Aga fire. Does this lead us to think, and are you suggesting, that an implement (or gun barrel) could have been heated up in the fire to then cause the circular burn marks to Nevils back.

This element of possible "torture" would, in my mind, exclude Shelia from the murders.

Nick, this is suggested in the Dickinson report as the cause of the burn marks to Ralphs back, they suggest a poker rather than a gun barrel.

Paragraphs 200 & 202 of the Dickinson report, which can be seen in this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1168.0.html
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Newbury1 on November 02, 2011, 12:04:PM
Considering Delgado was one of the first 3 to claim to enter the kitchen attention is drawn to his descriptions of Ralph. In doing so he makes mention of what has to be the AGA cooker by using the word "fire" . This seems most odd and out of place. Why did he say fire and not oven. aga or cooker?
It could possibly be because the door to the aga was open and the fire could be seen.
We are told in other statement that the aga was still lit.

So is the mention of "fire" made because it stood out in Delgado's memory. Other's may not mention such an open aga door as no doubt someone could have soon afterwards shut it.
One should also consider that 3 strange circular burn marks were described by the pathologist on Ralph's neck/upper back area. These burn marks seem to be unexplained in any of the evidence.

Smiffy - a good point re the Aga fire. Does this lead us to think, and are you suggesting, that an implement (or gun barrel) could have been heated up in the fire to then cause the circular burn marks to Nevils back.

This element of possible "torture" would, in my mind, exclude Shelia from the murders.

Nick, this is suggested in the Dickinson report as the cause of the burn marks to Ralph's back, they suggest a poker rather than a gun barrel.

Paragraphs 200 & 202 of the Dickinson report, which can be seen in this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1168.0.html

Thanks Hartley, do we know if the circular burn marks have a direct association with the night of the murders, and without the benefit of an autopsy report in relation to these marks or a photo I assume they were solid small circular marks as opposed to circular marks with a hollow middle (if that makes sense).

It's just that in a previous thread on this subject it has been speculated that the circular burn marks matched the barrel configuration of a unique weapon handed in shortly after the murders. This seems to now not be the case  ::).

However; if the circular burn marks were inflicted on the night then I believe this discounts Sheila, but it may also discount Jeremy as this act of "torture" would (please excuse the comment) be surplus to requirements  ???

Although a bizarre thought has just come to mind and in medieval times didn't they burn holes in "witches" to release the devil  :P - probably completely irrelevant

Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Hartley on November 02, 2011, 12:16:PM
Considering Delgado was one of the first 3 to claim to enter the kitchen attention is drawn to his descriptions of Ralph. In doing so he makes mention of what has to be the AGA cooker by using the word "fire" . This seems most odd and out of place. Why did he say fire and not oven. aga or cooker?
It could possibly be because the door to the aga was open and the fire could be seen.
We are told in other statement that the aga was still lit.

So is the mention of "fire" made because it stood out in Delgado's memory. Other's may not mention such an open aga door as no doubt someone could have soon afterwards shut it.
One should also consider that 3 strange circular burn marks were described by the pathologist on Ralph's neck/upper back area. These burn marks seem to be unexplained in any of the evidence.

Smiffy - a good point re the Aga fire. Does this lead us to think, and are you suggesting, that an implement (or gun barrel) could have been heated up in the fire to then cause the circular burn marks to Nevils back.

This element of possible "torture" would, in my mind, exclude Shelia from the murders.

Nick, this is suggested in the Dickinson report as the cause of the burn marks to Ralph's back, they suggest a poker rather than a gun barrel.

Paragraphs 200 & 202 of the Dickinson report, which can be seen in this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1168.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1168.0.html)

Thanks Hartley, do we know if the circular burn marks have a direct association with the night of the murders, and without the benefit of an autopsy report in relation to these marks or a photo I assume they were solid small circular marks as opposed to circular marks with a hollow middle (if that makes sense).

It's just that in a previous thread on this subject it has been speculated that the circular burn marks matched the barrel configuration of a unique weapon handed in shortly after the murders. This seems to now not be the case  ::) .

However; if the circular burn marks were inflicted on the night then I believe this discounts Sheila, but it may also discount Jeremy as this act of "torture" would (please excuse the comment) be surplus to requirements  ???

Although a bizarre thought has just come to mind and in medieval times didn't they burn holes in "witches" to release the devil  :P - probably completely irrelevant

The information about them seems to be lacking, well the information in the public domain anyway, and I don't know what has allowed the Dickinson report to potentially attribute the marks to a poker.

I did consider at one stage that they could have been injuries sustained accidentally on the farm before the murders as there appears to be no corresponding marks on his clothing, well no mention of there being any at least.

So I don't really know.  :-\
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Grahame on January 10, 2012, 08:47:AM
Ay least I got the answer as to whether the key was on the other side of the lock and it was. So any key that was allegedly kept outside in another building would have been useless anyway.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Hartley on January 10, 2012, 10:56:AM
Ay least I got the answer as to whether the key was on the other side of the lock and it was. So any key that was allegedly kept outside in another building would have been useless anyway.

Yes that's how I understand it.

On another note I'm not entirely convinced there was a spare key, the key left in the coal shed when they went out, was I believe, the same key which was in the door.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Grahame on January 10, 2012, 11:58:AM
Yes that's how I understand it.

On another note I'm not entirely convinced there was a spare key, the key left in the coal shed when they went out, was I believe, the same key which was in the door.
Didn't Robert Boutflour ask where the spare key was?
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Hartley on January 10, 2012, 12:48:PM
Didn't Robert Boutflour ask where the spare key was?

He mentioned it yes, but I think that is a misunderstanding on his part, as I say I don't think there was a spare key, simply that the key was put in the coal shed when they locked up and were away from the house.

That's just my opinion and a guess though, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to me why Jeremy didn't mention it, whether guilty or innocent.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Michaela on February 06, 2013, 07:26:PM
Did the police ever mention what pages of the bible were open?
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Bridget on February 06, 2013, 07:31:PM
Did the police ever mention what pages of the bible were open?

Not sure who mentioned it or when, but it was determined from the blood stains which pages it was opened at and the defence had the passages analysed. There's a thread about it somewhere!
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Patti on February 06, 2013, 07:43:PM
Dr Gillingham's report on the psalms of the open pages of the bible...

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5DLsf0UggyWYTJjM2RiMjgtYjRkYi00MDMxLTg4NWEtYzMyMmYzYWZhZGVh/edit?pli=1
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Jane J on February 06, 2013, 08:03:PM
Dr Gillingham's report on the psalms of the open pages of the bible...

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5DLsf0UggyWYTJjM2RiMjgtYjRkYi00MDMxLTg4NWEtYzMyMmYzYWZhZGVh/edit?pli=1


IMHO, there's NO way on God's earth that Jeremy could have had ANYTHING to do with locating that particular passage. However, I can imagine that it is one very well known by June for whom it MAY have been a "signature" piece which she passed down to Sheila.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Steve_uk on February 06, 2013, 08:46:PM

IMHO, there's NO way on God's earth that Jeremy could have had ANYTHING to do with locating that particular passage. However, I can imagine that it is one very well known by June for whom it MAY have been a "signature" piece which she passed down to Sheila.
..and yet the murderer pumps seven shots into June as she is sat up in bed,and hardly likely to be reading the bible with Sheila from that position. Sheila had worked through this religious zealotry,and though by no means a well woman she had come to the conclusion that God loved her. Sheila also stated in the letter to Ann Eaton that she missed the boys.

Any Christian knows that suicide is a sin,and June was sure to have expostulated against it to her children..

Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Michaela on February 06, 2013, 08:54:PM
Dr Gillingham's report on the psalms of the open pages of the bible...

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5DLsf0UggyWYTJjM2RiMjgtYjRkYi00MDMxLTg4NWEtYzMyMmYzYWZhZGVh/edit?pli=1

Whoever was reading these was obviously in great turmoil. I am going to read more about this.
http://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/the-psalter/psalms51to55.aspx
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Jane J on February 06, 2013, 09:17:PM
..and yet the murderer pumps seven shots into June as she is sat up in bed,and hardly likely to be reading the bible with Sheila from that position. Sheila had worked through this religious zealotry,and though by no means a well woman she had come to the conclusion that God loved her. Sheila also stated in the letter to Ann Eaton that she missed the boys.

Any Christian knows that suicide is a sin,and June was sure to have expostulated against it to her children..


Shall we look at that assumption a little closer, Steve. Sheila was in hospital when she wrote that somewhat zealous letter to AE. I'm not sure that she mentioned the boys but she certainly seemed energized by her relationship with God. She believed she was well enough to leave. She was hoping for a reconciliation with Colin. She must have seen her future as looking brighter than it previously had. We know she came out too soon. Who knows, maybe, had she stayed, they may well have sorted out her meds. So she left hospital with poorly balanced meds. By the time she arrived at the farm in August, hers dreams had been smashed. She wasn't well. There would be no reunion with Colin. She may have wondered if she would ever be able to escape the farm. If she went to the monestery to find God, He must not have been there for her or she couldn't find Him and ran home, terrified. Is this a woman who still believes that God loves her OR is she now thinking that God has deserted her and is punishing her because she is the Devil's child after all, which means that her children are the Devils children, too.

Was that passage some kind of instruction passed down to her, since childhood, from June. It was not coincidence that it was open at that page.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Lugg on February 06, 2013, 09:37:PM
..and yet the murderer pumps seven shots into June as she is sat up in bed,and hardly likely to be reading the bible with Sheila from that position. Sheila had worked through this religious zealotry,and though by no means a well woman she had come to the conclusion that God loved her. Sheila also stated in the letter to Ann Eaton that she missed the boys.

Any Christian knows that suicide is a sin,and June was sure to have expostulated against it to her children..
I knew a man in Northern Ireland. Willy Mullan. A well know Calvinistic preacher at the time. Very well taught and was a Bible expositor. He phoned his friend one night and said, "Please come over". His friend went over to his immediately and found him dead by his own hand.
To this day no one knows why he took his own life. But there was a man well grounded hin the Christian faith, yet he took his own life. Anyone can get so depressed that it can drive them to such things whether they are Christians or know the Bible or not. Unfortunately although Sheila had this stuff drummed into her it was no guarantee that it would save her from suicide.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Steve_uk on February 06, 2013, 09:38:PM

Shall we look at that assumption a little closer, Steve. Sheila was in hospital when she wrote that somewhat zealous letter to AE. I'm not sure that she mentioned the boys but she certainly seemed energized by her relationship with God. She believed she was well enough to leave. She was hoping for a reconciliation with Colin. She must have seen her future as looking brighter than it previously had. We know she came out too soon. Who knows, maybe, had she stayed, they may well have sorted out her meds. So she left hospital with poorly balanced meds. By the time she arrived at the farm in August, hers dreams had been smashed. She wasn't well. There would be no reunion with Colin. She may have wondered if she would ever be able to escape the farm. If she went to the monestery to find God, He must not have been there for her or she couldn't find Him and ran home, terrified. Is this a woman who still believes that God loves her OR is she now thinking that God has deserted her and is punishing her because she is the Devil's child after all, which means that her children are the Devils children, too.

Was that passage some kind of instruction passed down to her, since childhood, from June. It was not coincidence that it was open at that page.
It's strangers she finds disconcerting which is compatible with her Blood group A,whether suffering from schizophrenia or not. She did mention the twins in her letter and they were dear to her. As for the reunion with Colin,she tells Helen Grimster whom the Defence are so fond of quoting that the separation had brought them closer together.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Jane J on February 07, 2013, 05:34:PM
It's strangers she finds disconcerting which is compatible with her Blood group A,whether suffering from schizophrenia or not. She did mention the twins in her letter and they were dear to her. As for the reunion with Colin,she tells Helen Grimster whom the Defence are so fond of quoting that the separation had brought them closer together.


Isn't it strange that you ascribe xenophobia to Sheila's blood type yet refuse to accept that yet another trait of those with the same blood type is the ability to hold in their emotions until they explode. Having said that, I fail to see what any of this has to do with the post you were answering. See below.


Shall we look at that assumption a little closer, Steve. Sheila was in hospital when she wrote that somewhat zealous letter to AE. I'm not sure that she mentioned the boys but she certainly seemed energized by her relationship with God. She believed she was well enough to leave. She was hoping for a reconciliation with Colin. She must have seen her future as looking brighter than it previously had. We know she came out too soon. Who knows, maybe, had she stayed, they may well have sorted out her meds. So she left hospital with poorly balanced meds. By the time she arrived at the farm in August, hers dreams had been smashed. She wasn't well. There would be no reunion with Colin. She may have wondered if she would ever be able to escape the farm. If she went to the monestery to find God, He must not have been there for her or she couldn't find Him and ran home, terrified. Is this a woman who still believes that God loves her OR is she now thinking that God has deserted her and is punishing her because she is the Devil's child after all, which means that her children are the Devils children, too.

Was that passage some kind of instruction passed down to her, since childhood, from June. It was not coincidence that it was open at that page.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Steve_uk on February 07, 2013, 07:54:PM
Blood Type A's don't particularly like strangers or unfamiliarity,and it is this which I was commenting on when I mentioned Sheila's blood group. As for Colin,I have dealt with this several times in Helen Grimster’s statement where it’s clear that Colin and Sheila are on better terms since the divorce.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Jane J on February 07, 2013, 08:03:PM
Blood Type A's don't particularly like strangers or unfamiliarity,and it is this which I was commenting on when I mentioned Sheila's blood group. As for Colin,I have dealt with this several times in Helen Grimster’s statement where it’s clear that Colin and Sheila are on better terms since the divorce.


Yes I understand what is said about blood types but I would have thought for you it came under the heading of psychobabble :) and can you not allow that it was because they were getting on so much better since the divorce that Sheila imagined that what hat been wrong between then had been put right and could mean reconciliation.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Caroline R on February 08, 2013, 12:59:AM
Blood Type A's don't particularly like strangers or unfamiliarity,and it is this which I was commenting on when I mentioned Sheila's blood group. As for Colin,I have dealt with this several times in Helen Grimster’s statement where it’s clear that Colin and Sheila are on better terms since the divorce.

Since when does blood type have ANYTHING to do with personality?
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Steve_uk on February 08, 2013, 09:11:PM
Since when does blood type have ANYTHING to do with personality?
I'm not sure people are particularly interested Caroline,but Blood Type O's tend to be the leaders and A's are more shy. I could hazard a guess at how your grandparents died from their blood type but we're getting off topic and as I say it wouldn't interest many.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Lugg on February 09, 2013, 12:47:AM
I'm not sure people are particularly interested Caroline,but Blood Type O's tend to be the leaders and A's are more shy. I could hazard a guess at how your grandparents died from their blood type but we're getting off topic and as I say it wouldn't interest many.
With all due respect Steve but that's quite simply bonkers. ::)
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Caroline R on February 09, 2013, 01:01:AM
I'm not sure people are particularly interested Caroline,but Blood Type O's tend to be the leaders and A's are more shy. I could hazard a guess at how your grandparents died from their blood type but we're getting off topic and as I say it wouldn't interest many.

I don't even know what my blood group is never mind my grand parents. But I do know that this theory has no basis in fact!
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Steve_uk on February 10, 2013, 02:44:PM
I don't even know what my blood group is never mind my grand parents. But I do know that this theory has no basis in fact!
I'm afraid it does and goes back thousands of years to the hunter-gatherers and the A type who started to become vegetarians leaving the O's as the meat eaters.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Bridget on February 10, 2013, 02:45:PM
I'm afraid it does and goes back thousands of years to the hunter-gatherers and the A type who started to become vegetarians leaving the O's as the meat eaters.

Do you believe in astrology too?
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Steve_uk on February 10, 2013, 02:49:PM
Do you believe in astrology too?
One quick test(it doesn't always work because your grandparents may have died of cancer,or been killed in a car accident..). If your grandparents died of a heart attack they are more likely to be Blood Type 0,if they died of a stroke they're probably Blood Type A.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Jane J on February 10, 2013, 02:59:PM
One quick test(it doesn't always work because your grandparents may have died of cancer,or been killed in a car accident..). If your grandparents died of a heart attack they are more likely to be Blood Type 0,if they died of a stroke they're probably Blood Type A.


Steve, one of by cousins (by adoption) died of both!!!! However, heart disease does run in the family.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Lugg on February 10, 2013, 11:48:PM
I'm afraid it does and goes back thousands of years to the hunter-gatherers and the A type who started to become vegetarians leaving the O's as the meat eaters.
Erm, I'm not sure they had blood grouping in those days? ::)
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Lugg on February 10, 2013, 11:50:PM
One quick test(it doesn't always work because your grandparents may have died of cancer,or been killed in a car accident..). If your grandparents died of a heart attack they are more likely to be Blood Type 0,if they died of a stroke they're probably Blood Type A.
So what blood group are those who are killed in car accidents? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Lugg on February 10, 2013, 11:53:PM
Sorry folks I must laugh, because here is an insite into the way Steve's mind works. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Caroline R on April 28, 2013, 01:14:AM
One quick test(it doesn't always work because your grandparents may have died of cancer,or been killed in a car accident..). If your grandparents died of a heart attack they are more likely to be Blood Type 0,if they died of a stroke they're probably Blood Type A.

Another myth busted!!

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/really-blood-type-influences-heart-disease-risk/
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Steve_uk on April 28, 2013, 03:58:PM
I didn't say that Blood Type A's can't get heart attacks. I was talking in generalities and for the most part older people near to dying age are more likely to die of a heart attack if they're a Blood Type O than a Type A.

Do this test on yourself or your children:

Do you prefer meat to vegetables? Are you generally fine amongst crowds,no nervousness etc. You don't mind loud violent films,you're not squeamish..

Or: are you rather timid,shy as a child,afraid of the dark in your bedroom as a child,prefer vegetables to meat,don't particularly like crowds or social situations..

The first group you're more likely to be the 37% of people in the UK who are Blood Type 0.
The second group you're more likely to be an A(35% of people).

To reiterate: of course Blood Type O's can die of strokes and Blood Type A's can die of heart attacks,just as both groups can die of cancer or a road accident. But if you look at how your grandparents died the odds are if they were an O Blood Type they died of a heart attack,whereas older Blood Type A's are at a greater risk of stroke.
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Caroline R on April 30, 2013, 06:40:PM
I didn't say that Blood Type A's can't get heart attacks. I was talking in generalities and for the most part older people near to dying age are more likely to die of a heart attack if they're a Blood Type O than a Type A.

Do this test on yourself or your children:

Do you prefer meat to vegetables? Are you generally fine amongst crowds,no nervousness etc. You don't mind loud violent films,you're not squeamish..

Or: are you rather timid,shy as a child,afraid of the dark in your bedroom as a child,prefer vegetables to meat,don't particularly like crowds or social situations..

The first group you're more likely to be the 37% of people in the UK who are Blood Type 0.
The second group you're more likely to be an A(35% of people).

To reiterate: of course Blood Type O's can die of strokes and Blood Type A's can die of heart attacks,just as both groups can die of cancer or a road accident. But if you look at how your grandparents died the odds are if they were an O Blood Type they died of a heart attack,whereas older Blood Type A's are at a greater risk of stroke.

It's a correlation Steve and a correlation does not equal causation!!
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Grahame on March 06, 2014, 03:22:PM
On reading PC Delgardo's statement there appears to be too much similarity between his statement and Collins' statement. Of course there is, you may say. Yes but how do you explain that they both stated the "same" ages for each deceased person. How could they guess exactly the same ages? Well may I suggest that a bit of harmonising went on between the two of them?
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Jan on March 08, 2014, 06:22:PM
yes they are written in a very similar vein - nearly identical I would say. Both mentioning one cartridge by sheilas body . But one thing I found odd in the other statement was the mention of HOW clean sheilas feet were ? That's odd because we know now that's not true - but why would it be a point of interest as opposed to her hands? It could have been because she was wearing those blue socks at one stage - who knows , but it would not be for the police to comment in that way just about the feet ? A bit odd. Unless of course they were cleaned by the police at some stage ?
Title: Re: Witness statement of PC Delgado, consisting of 4 pages, dated, 7th August
Post by: Grahame on March 08, 2014, 08:34:PM
yes they are written in a very similar vein - nearly identical I would say. Both mentioning one cartridge by sheilas body . But one thing I found odd in the other statement was the mention of HOW clean sheilas feet were ? That's odd because we know now that's not true - but why would it be a point of interest as opposed to her hands? It could have been because she was wearing those blue socks at one stage - who knows , but it would not be for the police to comment in that way just about the feet ? A bit odd. Unless of course they were cleaned by the police at some stage ?
Neither were any footprints mentioned. Now if a struggle had taken place and all that shooting going on this was bound to produce blood. And it did, as big chunks of carpet were cut out and discarded by the police. Now why was it that no footprints were ever mentioned? May I make a guess and that is all it is? That they did indeed find footprints, for the reason that I have just stated. But they were Sheila's footprints. None of Jeremy's footprints were found. This is NOT A GUESS. How do I know that? Because if there had been any of Jeremy's footprints, then they would most definitely have been brought up as evidence in court. So we have established the fact that there were no footprints of Jeremy's at the scene at all, ie no forensic evidence that placed Jeremy at the scene of the crime.