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Title: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 10, 2020, 10:42:PM
The total number of reported cases in the UK is doubling every two days on average (based on counts published this month). This growth rate must reduce within 4 weeks, else the total would exceed the current size of the UK population. So why is the government currently speculating about a period of two weeks? My best guess is that their "expert" advisers simply halved the maximum period of 4 weeks at the current growth rate.

By the way, the latest news is that Nadine Dorries, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, has been diagnosed as having contracted the virus. She was in a meeting with the PM on Thursday, 5th March, the day before noticing she felt unwell.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 11, 2020, 01:29:PM
The total number of reported cases in the UK is doubling every two days on average (based on counts published this month). This growth rate must reduce within 4 weeks, else the total would exceed the current size of the UK population. So why is the government currently speculating about a period of two weeks? My best guess is that their "expert" advisers simply halved the maximum period of 4 weeks at the current growth rate.

By the way, the latest news is that Nadine Dorries, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, has been diagnosed as having contracted the virus. She was in a meeting with the PM on Thursday, 5th March, the day before noticing she felt unwell.

The government response to the Covid 19 threat seems to be quite a serious undertaking. There's an awful lot of contingency planning taking place. I think people are genuinely shocked at how contagious it is. I wonder what is really happening in parts of the world where the virus had already got a foothold before the seriousness of it was properly realised.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 11, 2020, 09:00:PM
I am sick and tired of these animal markets in China (palm civets, snakes, bats, pangolins), which have once again created a pandemic across the globe. It is possible that we will never be rid of the coronavirus, and like the 2003 SARS virus, the swine flu of 2009 and MERS of 2012 will become routine with anti-viral drugs and a possible vaccine our only defence against death.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 12, 2020, 11:05:AM
In 1957 I was a cadet nurse ( trainee ) working on a ward when Asian 'flu hit the UK. Thousands died globally and about 4,000 died here in the UK. I was unfortunately infected, naturally, because of being in the thick of it and unfortunately hospitalized myself, next to a young girl of 19 who sadly died overnight.
This was a category 2 pandemic and a vaccine was quickly sought where you had to have 2 jabs within the space of 2 or 3 weeks.
This also originated in China and the cause was birds, I think. Symptoms seemed to have been similar and affected the chest and lungs leading to pneumonia. With pneumonia we also now have sepsis in our midst and in Australia, those who've died were men in their 50's and those without underlying health problems, ages in particular are 40's 50's and 60's. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: buddy on March 12, 2020, 04:59:PM
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 12, 2020, 05:26:PM
I don't think there are many buddy and those who have tested positive have probably been to an infected country. They're very likely shot on the spot which is why we haven't heard anything  :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 12, 2020, 10:06:PM
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.

They have 28 confirmed cases so far.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102935/coronavirus-cases-by-region-in-russia/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102935/coronavirus-cases-by-region-in-russia/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 12, 2020, 11:43:PM
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.

i think russia is a bit to big for it to spread very far.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 13, 2020, 09:18:PM
In 1957 I was a cadet nurse ( trainee ) working on a ward when Asian 'flu hit the UK. Thousands died globally and about 4,000 died here in the UK. I was unfortunately infected, naturally, because of being in the thick of it and unfortunately hospitalized myself, next to a young girl of 19 who sadly died overnight.
This was a category 2 pandemic and a vaccine was quickly sought where you had to have 2 jabs within the space of 2 or 3 weeks.
This also originated in China and the cause was birds, I think. Symptoms seemed to have been similar and affected the chest and lungs leading to pneumonia. With pneumonia we also now have sepsis in our midst and in Australia, those who've died were men in their 50's and those without underlying health problems, ages in particular are 40's 50's and 60's.
I talked to a lady a few days ago who told me she had contracted Asian flu in 1960 and nearly died. She cares for her husband now, who is in a wheelchair, they are both retired and must be feeling particularly vulnerable.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 14, 2020, 01:20:PM
I talked to a lady a few days ago who told me she had contracted Asian flu in 1960 and nearly died. She cares for her husband now, who is in a wheelchair, they are both retired and must be feeling particularly vulnerable.




These type of viruses sadly don't give any immunity if they strike again as our antibodies don't recognise what they're fighting against. Because I also contracted Asian 'flu in 1957 and also with age and having had the 'flu-jab last year, like many, we are vulnerable as only a jab for a specific virus such as this would offer protection of sorts.

Unfortunately I was hospitalized a week before Christmas and picked up a " bug " ( unknowingly ) as it must have incubated during the Christmas period and during New Year I became pretty ill with symptoms described as with this virus. I'd never had a cough in my life, but had one with breathing difficulties which was much like a case of whooping cough that I couldn't get my breath, and slept, when I could, with the window wide open for air.
I also had a hand fan which I wafted to get my breath whilst coughing. I didn't seek help but stayed indoors for most of January and it was well into February that I began to feel human. In all my life I'd never felt so ill and I'm pretty robust most of the time, thankfully.

At the time I was in hospital two women had arrived from abroad and both were coughing and very ill in a bay opposite to where I was. Staff had quickly donned masks/gloves and plastic aprons and immediately moved me further down the resus ward. I swear to this day it was this virus !!  It's a killer.

I'm living like a hermit presently but have everything I need and just using common sense which is all you can do.
You'll have to take care Steve being amongst the pupils.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 14, 2020, 01:33:PM
They have 28 confirmed cases so far.
Now, 2 days later, Russia has 48 confirmed cases.

In the UK, the number of recorded cases is doubling in under 4 days and tripling in under 6 days, so there could be a million cases 36 days from now. However, official figures may be replaced by official guesses well before that.

Edit: the above was being cautious - a million cases could be reached 10 days earlier, after 10 thousand reached next weekend.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 14, 2020, 02:43:PM



These type of viruses sadly don't give any immunity if they strike again as our antibodies don't recognise what they're fighting against. Because I also contracted Asian 'flu in 1957 and also with age and having had the 'flu-jab last year, like many, we are vulnerable as only a jab for a specific virus such as this would offer protection of sorts.

Unfortunately I was hospitalized a week before Christmas and picked up a " bug " ( unknowingly ) as it must have incubated during the Christmas period and during New Year I became pretty ill with symptoms described as with this virus. I'd never had a cough in my life, but had one with breathing difficulties which was much like a case of whooping cough that I couldn't get my breath, and slept, when I could, with the window wide open for air.
I also had a hand fan which I wafted to get my breath whilst coughing. I didn't seek help but stayed indoors for most of January and it was well into February that I began to feel human. In all my life I'd never felt so ill and I'm pretty robust most of the time, thankfully.

At the time I was in hospital two women had arrived from abroad and both were coughing and very ill in a bay opposite to where I was. Staff had quickly donned masks/gloves and plastic aprons and immediately moved me further down the resus ward. I swear to this day it was this virus !!  It's a killer.

I'm living like a hermit presently but have everything I need and just using common sense which is all you can do.
You'll have to take care Steve being amongst the pupils.
I'm very sorry to hear that lookout. I also had the flu a couple of weeks ago though I'm not sure whether it was the coronavirus. The shivering soon disappeared but the cough and phlegm were harder to shake off. It's only the third time I was off work for any length of time: the other times were the winter of 1989/90 and 1993/4.

I suppose this "herd immunity" approach has been recommended by the top advisors, though it seems rather harsh as I would have thought the young and fit are placed better to shake it off rather than the old and vulnerable.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 14, 2020, 04:31:PM
I'm very sorry to hear that lookout. I also had the flu a couple of weeks ago though I'm not sure whether it was the coronavirus. The shivering soon disappeared but the cough and phlegm were harder to shake off. It's only the third time I was off work for any length of time: the other times were the winter of 1989/90 and 1993/4.

I suppose this "herd immunity" approach has been recommended by the top advisors, though it seems rather harsh as I would have thought the young and fit are placed better to shake it off rather than the old and vulnerable.





Needless to say although I'm fit enough for my years, that bout of " whatever " left its mark in that my walking distance hasn't been the same up to now but it will hopefully improve as the weather warms up.
It was definitely a chest infection of sorts, something I'd never had since 1957, but I suppose with me being older it hit me more so.

I was actually only in hospital for 6 hours while being stabilized for a rapid heartbeat  ( A/F ) and underwent a series of tests all of which were normal----thank goodness, but still a scary time.

I was never off sick at work and used to get a yearly bonus at work ( NHS ) for attendance.

The " herd immunity " was practiced years ago when childhood diseases were in progress. If the kid next door had chickenpox we were all allowed to play together. Measles and mumps the same. German measles too.
Guess who didn't catch chickenpox   ? I remained a carrier but had a shingles jab last year to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 14, 2020, 05:28:PM




Needless to say although I'm fit enough for my years, that bout of " whatever " left its mark in that my walking distance hasn't been the same up to now but it will hopefully improve as the weather warms up.
It was definitely a chest infection of sorts, something I'd never had since 1957, but I suppose with me being older it hit me more so.

I was actually only in hospital for 6 hours while being stabilized for a rapid heartbeat  ( A/F ) and underwent a series of tests all of which were normal----thank goodness, but still a scary time.

I was never off sick at work and used to get a yearly bonus at work ( NHS ) for attendance.

The " herd immunity " was practiced years ago when childhood diseases were in progress. If the kid next door had chickenpox we were all allowed to play together. Measles and mumps the same. German measles too.
Guess who didn't catch chickenpox   ? I remained a carrier but had a shingles jab last year to be on the safe side.
Hi Lookout so sorry you have been so ill.  Keep safe. X
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 16, 2020, 10:25:PM
The over-70s are to be quarantined, so it appears..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 17, 2020, 05:24:AM
This really sucks.  :(

Hopefully the spring will stop it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 17, 2020, 08:28:AM
Over the last few days, the total number of deaths in the UK related to COVID-19, expressed as a percentage of the total number of confirmed cases, has been given successively as 1.84%, 2.7% and 3.56%.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 17, 2020, 10:12:AM
I live in a house with two teenagers. Neither of them could give a monkeys about the advice regarding washing their hands or catching sneezes in tissue and then washing their hands. There are probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of teenagers who hold this level of disregard on Coronavirus. It occurred to me that no matter how much I wash my own hands or use floor wipes on every single thing that is handled in some way or form in the house, it's all probably for nothing. Any disinfecting is quickly undone by teenage casual disregard.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 17, 2020, 02:01:PM
They'd soon alter their ways if the virus came their way Roch.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 17, 2020, 03:41:PM
i think theres somthing wrong with the test its ethere givingfalse postives or false neatives
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 17, 2020, 09:27:PM
i think theres somthing wrong with the test its ethere givingfalse postives or false neatives
I don't like the idea of someone sticking a tube up your nostril. I think I'd prefer blood to be drawn.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 18, 2020, 12:40:PM
well nadine dorris had it so how nobody else in the cabnit has got it she must of breathed on them at somtime ethere some of them have got and been wongly given the all clear or she never had it in the first place.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 18, 2020, 12:57:PM
well nadine dorris had it so how nobody else in the cabnit has got it she must of breathed on them at somtime ethere some of them have got and been wongly given the all clear or she never had it in the first place.
Cant stand that woman but believe her mother had it too.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 18, 2020, 01:18:PM
That's been in the news, yes. It's thought that it's possible to pass on the virus before having any symptoms. However, I would think it's much more likely to be passed on while symptoms exist.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 18, 2020, 03:24:PM
That's been in the news, yes. It's thought that it's possible to pass on the virus before having any symptoms. However, I would think it's much more likely to be passed on while symptoms exist.

Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 18, 2020, 04:13:PM
but how did nadine test postive and the rest of the cabnittexst negative how come trump tested negative for it after shaking hands with somone who had it.

im not talking about not having no symptoms they actully tested negative.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 18, 2020, 05:39:PM
but how did nadine test postive and the rest of the cabnittexst negative how come trump tested negative for it after shaking hands with somone who had it.

im not talking about not having symptoms they actully tested negative.

You have to breath the virus in. Getting it on your hands wont do anything unless you rub your face with your hands. Someone with the virus wont have it on their hands unless they cough into their hands and don't wash them straight after.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 19, 2020, 08:43:PM
Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/03/19/what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-silent-spreaders/?ncid=webmail
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 19, 2020, 10:29:PM
Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.






Exactly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 20, 2020, 02:30:AM
In the short term, things will seem to get much worse, in that the number of officially confirmed cases will reach 10 thousand in a few days (and possibly 100 thousand early next month), and the corresponding number of deaths will increase considerably. Our health services may not be able to cope.

However, the apparent trends must change, else the total number of related deaths would exceed the total number of reported cases, which would be absurd. I think that the anticipated "peak" will occur much sooner than currently expected by the government's advisers. For Greater London, I think it will occur in April, and the rest of the UK will follow suit in May.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 20, 2020, 03:52:AM
I live in a house with two teenagers. Neither of them could give a monkeys about the advice regarding washing their hands or catching sneezes in tissue and then washing their hands. There are probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of teenagers who hold this level of disregard on Coronavirus. It occurred to me that no matter how much I wash my own hands or use floor wipes on every single thing that is handled in some way or form in the house, it's all probably for nothing. Any disinfecting is quickly undone by teenage casual disregard.

Show them this video.

https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 20, 2020, 06:02:AM
I live in a house with two teenagers.
Do you have a room or garage that can be used as an isolation unit?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 20, 2020, 09:44:AM
Show them this video.

https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)

They wouldn't be arsed. Customer I am currently working with is from Bergamo. His mam is still in touch with people from there. She told me everyone knows somebody who has died.

Does anyone check this site? It takes a while for the numbers to update.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 20, 2020, 10:34:AM
I've used it occasionally. It says Bergamo ran out of intensive care beds a few days ago.

Current advice is that paracetamol is to be preferred to ibuprofen as a fever treatment if COVID-19 is suspected.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 20, 2020, 11:36:AM
Bondi beach is swamped with people enjoying 32 degree heat !?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 20, 2020, 11:45:AM
364 deaths in Spain, in last 48 hours alone. Germany appears to be fairing well in comparison.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 20, 2020, 12:20:PM
Goodness me. I have to ask myself if we as a country would be prepared for a high volume of deaths in so short a time.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 20, 2020, 06:15:PM
Country in lockdown: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51969508
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 20, 2020, 06:36:PM
UK has the fifth highest toll for new deaths in last 24 hours.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 20, 2020, 06:58:PM
My last outing was to Asda last week ( Wed ) nowhere else since and I'm staying put.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 20, 2020, 08:58:PM
My last outing was to Asda last week ( Wed ) nowhere else since and I'm staying put.
Good for you Lookout!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 21, 2020, 01:39:PM
Bondi beach is swamped with people enjoying 32 degree heat !?
Sorted.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 03:20:PM
The Aussies blame Europe and the USA for bringing the virus into the country, not the Chinese, although I suppose it was alright when they were spending their money there.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 03:59:PM
https://youtu.be/ohO8eAwi_po
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 04:03:PM
as i suspected false postives.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32133832
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 04:13:PM
this resarch is new so cant be taken as fact.


but looks promising. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v2
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 04:15:PM
That's more like it nugs.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 04:16:PM
What on earth is going on in Italy ? Over 3,000 deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 04:25:PM
What on earth is going on in Italy ? Over 3,000 deaths.

well you would have to know how many average deaths there are in itally every year for statistec to mean much.

italy has the most elderly population in the eu and the highest number of smokers.

and test are giving out false postives its afair bet a lot of those people dident die of the virus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 04:43:PM
Coronavirus first emerged in the 1960's as MERS- CoV to which there was no cure and not even a vaccine because nobody knew how to treat it or what it was, but it didn't kill as many back then, so this virus isn't a new one. A risk assessment of MERS was given in August of last year----symptoms the same as Coronavirus. I have to ask myself if this virus now was expected as I'd reckoned on it having been present in at least November last year and very possibly September so plenty of time for it to have incubated from person to person unknowingly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 05:00:PM
this resarch is new so cant be taken as fact.


but looks promising. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v2






Interesting video which I've been saying all along regarding seasonal 'flu. When we suffered the beast from the East there were over 500,000 deaths in this country but there was no lockdown or urgent messages given out.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:02:PM
https://youtu.be/myJONz-1cME
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2020, 05:16:PM
Not sure what is going on but the UK has a experienced roughly a tenfold decrease in new deaths, over the last 24 hours, compared with the prev 24 hours. It has gone from having the fifth highest rate of new deaths to the 19th highest rate of new deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:22:PM
Not sure what is going on but the UK has a experienced roughly a tenfold decrease in new deaths, over the last 24 hours, compared with the prev 24 hours. It has gone from having the fifth highest rate of new deaths to the 19th highest rate of new deaths.

were are yu getin your figures from roch

miht be the fact the testin kits are giving out false postives,

or it the fact a lot of those who deied were allready seriously before they cought the virus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 05:26:PM
https://youtu.be/myJONz-1cME






Makes you wonder doesn't it ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2020, 05:29:PM
were are yu getin your figures from roch

miht be the fact the testin kits are giving out false postives,

From here Nuggsy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 21, 2020, 05:38:PM
From here Nuggsy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Damn. 4800 dead in Italy.  :(
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:41:PM
what the italian ddocters report wish i could speak itlian.

https://www.repubblica.it/salute/medicina-e-ricerca/2020/03/16/news/coronavirus_studio_il_50-75_dei_casi_a_vo_sono_asintomatici_e_molto_contagiosi-251474302/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2020, 05:46:PM
The site I use has not updated properly, so there is no good news on new deaths in UK! The new deaths rate per 24 hours is still rising. Apologies for misinformation.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:47:PM
seeing as they cant evenbe sure the test is acurate.


they cant know the death statiscs are correct,


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:55:PM
spanish docters warn that the panic could overload the system more than the virus.

https://twitter.com/NeurologaenSAS/status/1239498772570308609
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 06:47:PM
this law is alarming and a total overreaction https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-bill-what-it-will-do/what-the-coronavirus-bill-will-do#protecting-and-supporting-people
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 21, 2020, 08:27:PM
. . . there is no good news on new deaths in UK!
Total deaths will rise in the short term, easily reaching 1000 within a few days, but the rate of increase will soon drop dramatically (edit: there's a hint of this already - it may take a week, rather than a few days, for 1000 to be reached). If it didn't, the entire UK population would be dead within a few months, which is definitely not going to happen.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 08:57:PM
media genrated hystria panic sells papers
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 10:46:PM
dr wolgang.

https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 22, 2020, 01:18:AM
Damn. 4800 dead in Italy.  :(

13,000 deaths so far.  :(

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 11:48:AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?utm_campaign=pol&utm_medium=bd&utm_source=applenews&fbclid=IwAR0WnM0lT1xPD-dDWKXHvY2jxbyvBXFfJN_JkZwGG9Sstdll2yCh2-Ezkko
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 11:51:AM
13,000 deaths so far.  :(

i very much doubt they all deid of the virus have they had 13 thousand inuests i doubt it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 22, 2020, 01:38:PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 01:52:PM
most of the poeople who have deid would of deid anyway.

there they  had other serious condidtions infact its highly debateble weather the virus did kill them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 22, 2020, 02:02:PM
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8137391/Trials-begin-British-coronavirus-vaccine-Governments-secret-science-base-Porton-Down.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8137391/Trials-begin-British-coronavirus-vaccine-Governments-secret-science-base-Porton-Down.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 02:22:PM
they will probely kill more people with the vacines than deid from the virus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 22, 2020, 09:58:PM
Who are "they" and what evidence supports your comment?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 12:28:AM
there lowering the standards for testing the vachines

cuba alsready has a drug that treats the virus.

what evedence have i got read the thread i have posted umpteen links.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 01:07:AM
https://t.co/DZ79GHIJTx?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 23, 2020, 04:30:AM
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 12:41:PM
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 12:43:PM
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.

untested ones may do

yes the chances of death vacines are slim but they still exist and this ones not even going to be tested properly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 02:21:PM
italy has the worst air uality in the eu.

https://twitter.com/esa/status/1238480433047916545
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 02:31:PM
more from italy.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 23, 2020, 06:17:PM
Over 2000 killed in Spain.  Over 6,000 killed in Italy.  :(
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 23, 2020, 06:28:PM
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.

You can get Interferon alpha-2b on prescription. I guess that's the kind of drug they giving people in hospitals now.  :-\

(http://www.pharmaturca.com/store/makethumb.aspx?file=3996271-img_3377.jpg&intSize=500)

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 07:25:PM
i notice theres not that many deaths in germany i wonder thats becouse the calculating the stats properly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 23, 2020, 07:36:PM
i notice theres not that many deaths in germany i wonder thats becouse the calculating the stats properly.

They only have 422 recovered patients with 28,516 active cases. I'd expect it to balance out sooner or later.   
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 10:59:PM
well i know italy are crap at puting out stats and genrally ermany are pretty good at it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 11:59:PM
only 12 percent of the deaths in italy list the virus at the couse.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:02:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 24, 2020, 05:51:AM
They should have tested far more and tracked down the source of the virus in every separate country. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-the-coronavirus-curve/ar-BB11AJwA?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 09:07:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 10:10:AM
They should have tested far more and tracked down the source of the virus in every separate country. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-the-coronavirus-curve/ar-BB11AJwA?ocid=spartanntp

Ah, the magic superpower of hindsight.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 10:25:AM
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.13222
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 10:52:AM
https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 11:47:AM
https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html

The author of that article is a conspiracy loon with no medical credentials.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:09:PM
The author of that article is a conspiracy loon with no medical credentials.

i know but he is qauting what the world health rgnisation actully said if you read it carefully.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:20:PM
https://russia-insider.com/en/corona-very-mild-virus-no-more-deadly-many-others-we-dont-make-fuss-about/ri28444
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:23:PM
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/older-people-who-died-in-hospital-england-2017/older-people-who-died-in-hospital-england-2017
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 12:25:PM
i know but he is qauting what the world health rgnisation actully said if you read it carefully.

No he isn't.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:26:PM
No he isn't.

read it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 12:29:PM
read it.

I have.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200306-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-who-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus (https://www.france24.com/en/20200306-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-who-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:42:PM
they  dont say anything about lockdowns been needed just a lot more texting and more cornation by overments and helth services.

so he is qautin them correctly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 12:55:PM
This was written in a 2016 book on Coronaviruses.

"Coronaviruses have made a remarkable career. Originally recognized
as viral pathogens of veterinary importance but little medical (i.e., human)
relevance, the appearance of SARS-CoV causing a worldwide epidemic
with a large number of fatalities has changed everything. In 2003, the virus
emerged in Chinese animal markets to circle the world in just a few weeks,
teaching us important new lessons on perceived “differences” between animal
and human pathogens. Just in case someone did not get the message,
MERS-CoV repeated the coronavirus wake-up call 10 years later, providing
yet another example for how easily animal viruses may be transmitted and
adapt to new hosts including humans. Often, the tricks and strategies that
viruses evolved to propagate in specific animal hosts may only need some
fine-tuning (if at all) to enter the wide world of human crowds, air travel,
and camel races. Here, we will summarize the insights gathered so far on
an important aspect of virulence and host adaptation, the interactions of
SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV with antiviral interferon (IFN) responses of
human cells
"

The Chinese really should implement better hygiene regulations. This has happened twice now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 24, 2020, 04:57:PM
Nearly 11 thousand UK cases in total two days from now, and possibly 20 thousand by next Monday, but it could have been a lot higher. By next Monday, there may have been over a thousand more deaths, after the total reaching 1 thousand next weekend.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 05:05:PM
Nearly 11 thousand UK cases in total two days from now, and possibly 20 thousand by next Monday, but it could have been a lot higher. By next Monday, there may have been over a thousand more deaths, after the total reaching 1 thousand next weekend.

but the who say we are testing enough so do they really know theres 11 thousand or do they just or are there possbly a lot more.

ethere way theres good and bad it could  be more conagios but less deadly or less contaigous but more deadly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 08:21:PM
this from 2008 when the said millons would die of the swine turned out to be bollocks dident it.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/influenzaAH1N1_presstranscript_20090611.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 09:34:PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-lockdown-lunacy-1001322696
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 09:36:PM
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucharit_Bhakdi
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 11:29:PM
http://disq.us/t/3mupemp?fbclid=IwAR0UBe1biV5OL3SoeujTFFcYzCg0foBNUc5hSrGzfkIQOFr8stOuB0WmLPU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 12:06:AM
https://youtu.be/JBB9bA-gXL4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 08:11:AM
https://archive.fo/cgCff
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 08:34:AM
death rate overall is low.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 25, 2020, 09:20:AM
. . . the WHO say we are testing enough . . .
Do you have a link for that? Are they referring to the UK or countries in general?

I  think we do need more testing, mainly in relation to hospitals, nursing homes, etc., but also to provide information that will help us understand this epidemic better. It's lack of understanding that has caused the current overreactions.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 01:07:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/24/hope-havent-overreacted-coronavirus-wrecked-grandsons-future/#comments
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 25, 2020, 03:32:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/24/hope-havent-overreacted-coronavirus-wrecked-grandsons-future/#comments
I don't see what else they could do, given that they haven't yet discovered a vaccine.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 25, 2020, 03:38:PM
Did anyone experience any of the symptoms, (fever and/or repetitive dry cough) in Nov / Dec / Jan?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 25, 2020, 03:43:PM
Did anyone experience any of the symptoms, (fever and/or repetitive dry cough) in Nov / Dec / Jan?
I had a mild flu with phlegm, which I was told is not one of the symptoms of the coronavirus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 04:28:PM
tthe peolem is health serice is likely to be oerun with people who think they have it i mean how would you know for sure with you had cv19 or the normal flue unless you hae test.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 05:18:PM
https://www.cybermednews.eu/index.php/it/health/70871-interview-to-the-virologist-giulio-tarro-the-death-rate-of-covid-19-is-less-than-1-as-confirmed-by-the-national-institute-of-allergy-and-infectious-diseases
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 25, 2020, 06:50:PM
Only 37.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 07:51:PM
Only 37.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html)

doesnt really tell you if he had any other helth problems.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 11:33:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/25/two-thirds-patients-die-coronavirus-would-have-died-year-anyway/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 11:34:AM
isuppose if prince  chrles pulls throuhas hes in the hih risk group

that willbe the test.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 02:02:PM
https://youtu.be/A0JqQyl09zQ?t=18
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 03:53:PM
http://ocregister.ca.newsmemory.com/?publink=2dfe1522e
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 08:05:PM
https://youtu.be/wtV3krGIuJk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 09:53:PM
https://youtu.be/6-IpYgEfUqA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 10:13:PM
https://youtu.be/6-IpYgEfUqA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 27, 2020, 03:13:AM
I don't see what else they could do, given that they haven't yet discovered a vaccine.
There are various things that could be done.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 27, 2020, 04:03:AM
85,000 confirmed cases in the USA now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 10:06:AM
i cant see how a lockdown can possle work they cant  lock the country down forever and when they end the locdown everyone will chare out and spread it agian.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 27, 2020, 10:49:AM
It will emerge again as the isolation period isn't long enough considering it's a pandemic. By winter, it'll have mutated.

As you say nugs, after lockdown people will forget !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 27, 2020, 11:49:AM
Boris has the virus: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 12:48:PM
this the anul number of flue deaths for the usa.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 01:42:PM
https://youtu.be/e66-8_JXq6o
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 27, 2020, 05:14:PM
Grim new deaths total today. 181 last time I checked. That's 66 up from yesterday's 115. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 05:34:PM
Grim new deaths total today. 181 last time I checked. That's 66 up from yesterday's 115.

the death toll isnt completly reialble you have people they suspect deid from it and confirmed cases plis how many had other ilsnesses that they would of deid from anyway.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 27, 2020, 06:06:PM
this the anul number of flue deaths for the usa.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Influenza has a mortality rate of 0.1%. The mortality rate for Coronaviruses is around 5 to 10%.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 06:13:PM
Influenza has a mortality rate of 0.1%. The mortality rate for Coronaviruses is around 5 to 10%.

remaind to be proved what the percentage rate it is for cv sd there still testing for it they ont how many people have it so you cant give a certan percentage rate.

did you see the govermen linj i postd it say its been taking off the serious list becouse death rate is over all low 3 percent isnt low
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 27, 2020, 06:19:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 07:19:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?

thats out of a populationof 70 millonor so

the chines death rate looks eye watering untill you consider theres over 1 billon of them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 27, 2020, 07:30:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?
Awful Roch and everyone is someone’s parent or child etc.  They aren’t just numbers.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 27, 2020, 07:34:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?

Their healthcare system can’t cope with the cases. They have a hospital capacity of 3 beds per 1000 of their population. Whereas Germany has the highest capacity in Europe with 8 beds per 1000 people.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 10:35:PM
https://bit.ly/CoronaSense
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 01:22:AM
the ferrys still seem to be running.

https://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/ferry-routes/ferries-france
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 28, 2020, 04:19:AM
Not long ago, China reported their highest number of deaths in a single day, but the corresponding figure 3 days later was the lowest for about a month, and it reduced to a "trickle" 2 weeks after that. This was hard to predict for China, and what happens in other countries will also be hard to foresee. A similarly sudden reduction in numbers is a possibility, but we should perhaps consider different parts of the UK separately.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:19:AM
read the stats on flue deaths in italy in 2015 they had high death rate the then higher than the rest of the eu.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 28, 2020, 10:36:AM
read the stats on flue deaths in italy in 2015 they had high death rate the then higher than the rest of the eu.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
They have the oldest population demographic in Europe. Germany comes second but because like the UK the elderly tend not to live with the extended family the virus may have become more contained. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-germany-cases-death-toll-italy-spain-bavaria-lockdown-a9424591.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:41:AM
this guy says the mortaility rate is less than 1 percent.

https://www.cybermednews.eu/index.php/it/health/70871-interview-to-the-virologist-giulio-tarro-the-death-rate-of-covid-19-is-less-than-1-as-confirmed-by-the-national-institute-of-allergy-and-infectious-diseases
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:47:AM
21 thousant people end up in intensie care with flue every year.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/20/britons-urged-to-get-flu-vaccine-as-critical-cases-rise-above-2000
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:52:AM
its likely to peak in 3 weaks.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-now-likely-to-cope-with-coronavirus-says-key-scientist-rn5m6nggk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 28, 2020, 05:55:PM
It will take about 3 days for another 10 thousand people (with severe symptoms) to test positive. Meanwhile, people arriving from Europe are handed a leaflet that explains whether they need to go and _____ themselves. No test of any kind is required of them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 09:04:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/neil-ferguson-scientist-convinced-boris-johnson-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-criticised/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 28, 2020, 09:14:PM
One in every 3,325 people will die in the UK, is currently what we are being told will represent a good result.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 09:41:PM
theye talked up the predicted figures on purpse to make it look like they have done a good job.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:35:PM
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 12:27:AM
acording to this guy the death rate is rate is 0.5 percent.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-strictly-by-the-numbers-the-coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/#comments
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 29, 2020, 06:21:AM
That's just a casual estimate. Until better data is available, we don't know.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 01:23:PM
euy from stanforduniversity.

https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 01:51:PM
avent we been here before

https://www.rt.com/news/swine-flu-false-pandemic/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 02:14:PM
acording to this guy the death rate is rate is 0.5 percent.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-strictly-by-the-numbers-the-coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/#comments

Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 02:18:PM
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.

thats not disnformation thats a fact you xxxxx the only nown disinfo spreader on here is you.

if you dont like it take it up with rt.

do you think the links to the gaurdion and the telgraph are disinfo as well you xxxx.


how the xxxx would someone be killed be reading somthing.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 02:34:PM
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 02:37:PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html)


so the daily telgraph and the gaurdion are spreading conspriacys linking the guys from stanford univerity are conspriacy theorists are the they.

to do you have a working brian cell.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 02:51:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/russian-media-spreading-covid-19-disinformation (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/russian-media-spreading-covid-19-disinformation)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 02:56:PM
is this mana russian agent then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunetra_Gupta

are the daily telgraph russian agents ware the tronto sun russian agents is peter hitchins a russian agent.

maybe the uk goverment website i linked to is controlled by russia as well.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 03:21:PM
this is from the brittish medical journel

thouh acording to david there russian agents.

https://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c3033
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 04:51:PM
from those russian agents in the daily mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164121/Professor-predicted-500-000-Britons-die-coronavirus-accused-having-patchy-record.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 05:08:PM
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/ (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 05:12:PM
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/ (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/)

whos denying it nobodys saying it isnt real just people most of them medical professenils are qustions the whos stats.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 29, 2020, 07:55:PM
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.
Anything constructive to offer?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 01:38:AM
abit from the spectater.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 30, 2020, 11:35:AM
Anything constructive to offer?

https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers (https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 12:28:PM
the people say it mostlyare doctors what it should be sayin is  how  drrespons to  another docters opionion.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 02:34:PM
here is the average death rate in eroupe.


https://www.euromomo.eu/slices/map_2017_2020.html

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/number.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 03:12:PM
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/03/lord-sumption-speaks-against-hysteria-driven-government-policy-.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 05:08:PM
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308763380_Geographical_patterns_of_mesothelioma_incidence_and_asbestos_exposure_in_Lombardy_Italy
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 05:21:PM
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/876005/Weekly_all_cause_mortality_surveillance_week_13_2020_report.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 30, 2020, 07:43:PM
https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers (https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers)
That response doesn't score highly for rationality. She initially comes out with "it’s critically important for us all to be on the same page". What exactly does that mean? One sentence states there is no treatment for COVID-19, but the next says how many patients are admitted to hospital for treatment for shortness of breath (a common symptom of COVID-19), so there is treatment available for the symptoms. That's not vastly different from treating influenza, especially if the patient hasn't been vaccinated. Also, it asserts the mortality for COVID-19 is high, then immediately states that it's between 1% and 3%, but how is that known? It's admitted in the following paragraph that due to shortage of testing, it isn't known how many people have been affected, so how is the mortality known? Also, the eventual health problems caused by social distancing and consequential economic problems aren't considered at all. The response acknowledges that what really seems to be protective is youth, so why close the schools that young people attend? What is known about mortality for such young people?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 09:05:PM
they dont have the power to do this surely.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/overzealous-police-use-coronavirus-powers-charge-shoppers-buying/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 10:04:PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30790685
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 10:42:PM
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nndss/conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus-associated-mortality/case-definition/2019/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: handyman on March 31, 2020, 01:11:AM
Quote
In a strange twist of fate, it seems the first coronavirus patient to be infected in the UK is from Haslemere -the very place we used for our 2018 citizen science experiment: the BBC Pandemic.
https://twitter.com/FryRsquared/status/1234491909470638083

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/NINTCHDBPICT000567752305-1.jpg?w=620)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 01:40:AM
https://youtu.be/qUWZA43UblM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 10:58:AM
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 04:35:PM
peirs vs peter https://youtu.be/p4xsk-SMA_8
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 31, 2020, 06:19:PM
One sentence states there is no treatment for COVID-19, but the next says how many patients are admitted to hospital for treatment for shortness of breath (a common symptom of COVID-19), so there is treatment available for the symptoms.

No, it states that it has no "established treatments" contrary to the flu having licensed antiviral drugs and vaccines. Doctors having experience in treating flu.

Also, it asserts the mortality for COVID-19 is high, then immediately states that it's between 1% and 3%, but how is that known?

Its called an estimate.

The response acknowledges that what really seems to be protective is youth, so why close the schools that young people attend?

So they don't take the virus home with them and expose their parents ect. 

That response doesn't score highly for rationality.

Perhaps it's more your lack of comprehension/critical thinking?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 06:43:PM
what is this doctors credintails david.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 31, 2020, 07:37:PM
This all seems to be due to the Chinese governments reckless initial response. That being silence the doctors and pretend it don't exist.


"December 21: Wuhan doctors begin to notice a “cluster of pneumonia cases with an unknown cause.”

"December 30: Dr. Li Wenliang sent a message to a group of other doctors warning them about a possible outbreak of an illness that resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), urging them to take protective measures against infection."

"January 1: The Wuhan Public Security Bureau issued summons to Dr. Li Wenliang, accusing him of “spreading rumors.” Two days later, at a police station, Dr. Li signed a statement acknowledging his “misdemeanor” and promising not to commit further “unlawful acts.” Seven other people are arrested on similar charges and their fate is unknown."

"January 8: Chinese medical authorities claim to have identified the virus. Those authorities claim and Western media continue to repeat, “there is no evidence that the new virus is readily spread by humans, which would make it particularly dangerous, and it has not been tied to any deaths.”

"January 23: Chinese authorities announce their first steps for a quarantine of Wuhan. By this point, millions have already visited the city and left it during the Lunar New Year celebrations. Singapore and Vietnam report their first cases, and by now an unknown but significant number of Chinese citizens have traveled abroad as asymptomatic, oblivious carriers."



https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/)


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/03/29/commentary/world-commentary/chinas-misplaced-pandemic-propaganda/#.XoOEcohKjIU (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/03/29/commentary/world-commentary/chinas-misplaced-pandemic-propaganda/#.XoOEcohKjIU)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 07:45:PM
https://youtu.be/CDBVwqNOBXY
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 07:48:PM
so the doctor you linked what is crediantails david.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 31, 2020, 08:14:PM
Stay safe and well everyone. xx
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 09:09:PM
there still evicting people really looks like there takin this seriously doesnt it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-eviction-landlord-tenant-uk-boris-johnson-ban-a9427361.html?fbclid=IwAR24rr_dGOlOXcuUn2AqpJ_9VXr_fEAL41aO-fUMNDPms4OAepZ0ou9j5TE
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 01, 2020, 12:04:AM
Two apparently healthy teenagers have died in London after contracting coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-healthy-boy-13-is-youngest-uk-victim-11966526 (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-healthy-boy-13-is-youngest-uk-victim-11966526)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 01, 2020, 08:09:AM
No, it states that it has no "established treatments" contrary to the flu having licensed antiviral drugs and vaccines. Doctors having experience in treating flu.
You're misquoting. The article states "Flu has established treatments; COVID-19 does not." However, it doesn't state that "established" refers to approved drugs, doesn't mention antiviral drugs as a treatment for influenza, and though it goes on to mention vaccines, influenza vaccines aren't a treatment, they're a preventative measure. In any case, it's clear that the sentence I referred to is the later sentence, "With COVID-19 we don’t have a treatment." That sentence doesn't use "established". Treatments such as providing extra oxygen (and use of various kinds of apparatus to assist breathing), giving paracetamol to reduce fever, etc., for specific symptoms, are available, and are used.

It's called an estimate.
Again, you're misquoting. The article doesn't use the word "estimate". It states "the mortality for COVID-19 is high. It’s between 1-3% compared to the flu which is 0.1%."

So they don't take the virus home with them and expose their parents etc.
There's something in that, but the article doesn't give that reason, and that reason doesn't justify closing boarding schools.

By the way, did you hear Dr Jenny Harries answering questions on Sunday (I think) at the Downing Street press conference? She kept repeating what she'd already said, sometimes completely ignoring the specific questions she'd been asked.

Perhaps it's more your lack of comprehension/critical thinking?
No such lack. There's more guff in the article that I could have drawn attention to.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 09:52:AM
https://t.co/3aTj3NmY9y?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 01:45:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/23/scientists-effects-coronavirus-children-studies-carriers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

theres no evdence that children spread it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 04:17:PM
ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8174967/Nearly-FIFTH-UK-firms-shut-four-weeks.html

bastards
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 01, 2020, 06:40:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/23/scientists-effects-coronavirus-children-studies-carriers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

theres no evdence that children spread it.

Do you even read the articles you post and comment on?

“ Crucially, although the majority of younger people and children will develop symptoms little worse than flu, they could be invisible carriers of the virus – and play a key role in its spread.”

” Every school day, children congregate en masse, often in close proximity, and then return home, taking with them any new infection they’ve picked up. ”

😂
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 06:52:PM
Do you even read the articles you post and comment on?

“ Crucially, although the majority of younger people and children will develop symptoms little worse than flu, they could be invisible carriers of the virus – and play a key role in its spread.”

” Every school day, children congregate en masse, often in close proximity, and then return home, taking with them any new infection they’ve picked up. ”

😂

yes i read it dickhead its no evdence blearly you dident read it properly it helps if you read from start to finish.

hard evidence to support this belief is still lacking. did you miss that bit.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 01, 2020, 07:40:PM
The total deaths in the UK related to COVID-19 have been at least tripling each week and will probably reach 5 thousand at the weekend and 10 thousand in the week after that. Many of these will have been of people hospitalized before the current "lockdown" was introduced.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 08:04:PM
well heres the stats at the moment but you have to rember there a diffrence bettween with and of.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwilib-f9cfoAhXSYMAKHWA-CLUQ0PADMAB6BAgHEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-563-more-people-die-with-covid-19-in-uk-bringing-total-to-2-352-11966771&usg=AOvVaw107apPkpHbtnCJocXSaETR
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 09:36:PM
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 09:17:AM
from sceince diret stats dont back what is being cliamed.

https://t.co/Jwgy212vnc?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 10:35:AM
https://t.co/ncxpbb6LX2?amp=1

here are the stats for seasonal flue deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 02:46:PM
its says here the test are at times only 30 percent acurate if so how can the stats be considred reliable.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 02, 2020, 09:43:PM
That's a fair point. Testing is mainly of those hospitalized, so does relate to the availability of hospital beds. The total count of people who have tested positive is likely to reach 50 thousand in the report published on Monday (6th April, 2020) and 100 thousand about 5 days after that. The corresponding figure published today was 33718. Where the test yields a false negative, the patient usually remains in hospital if they have severe symptoms, but some such patients have died before being retested.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 10:55:PM
abit from the bbc

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 03, 2020, 07:27:PM
The reported deaths must include some cases where death was approaching anyway. There is still concern anyway about the NHS becoming overwhelmed. The "official" UK death total looks likely to reach 5000 on Sunday, 10000 on Wednesday and 16000 on next Friday.

Edit: it now looks like 10000 will be passed on Saturday and 16000 on Tuesday. The daily increase is currently averaging about 15%, a figure that has been drifting lower only rather gradually. It will be interesting to see on 15th April whether the "lockdown" seems to have speeded up that downward drift.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 03, 2020, 09:47:PM
well the whosfigures are certanly being disputed.

https://fee.org/articles/oxford-based-group-stops-using-who-data-for-coronavirus-reporting-citing-errors/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 06, 2020, 09:27:PM
Boris Johnson has been placed in intensive care.  :-\

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 07, 2020, 05:02:PM
are so this lockdown is supposed to save lives

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fvoxpoliticalonline.com%2F2020%2F04%2F03%2Fcoronavirus-are-people-with-disabilities-being-left-to-starve-in-breach-of-the-tory-governments-pledge%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2cgY1HRARs4X8Pr6b6f1vVsGN2ACwe8EpvCPIwMJlSY7QdYO3QVxhJ-YU&h=AT1gBUJgHFy9X_keRuixgeacddnp6i-mS0Zy_MLKrOysm5UwUieFTn-CBK3aRqHgyNu5VVzm5968rsx1YB4JTour1Xn5vpc5tE-93Wwp-C4bWXBVY7aKvFBc2PtaxlXYUZRdz6eWju_89tc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2020, 06:14:PM
https://statistics.blf.org.uk/pneumonia
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 08, 2020, 07:14:PM
In your Vox Political link, one finds the assertion that the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to a certain group of particularly at risk people, which is nonsense.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2020, 07:40:PM
In your Vox Political link, one finds the assertion that the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to a certain group of particularly at risk people, which is nonsense.

noit doesnt say there being refused nhs tratment it says there bein left in there homes to fend for themselves when the goverment promised they would be looked after.

there not talking about the virus there talking aboutvunlurble people who may not be able to et out to shop
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2020, 07:45:PM
here  https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coronavirus-blind-baptist-minister-fears-disabled-people-could-be-left-to-starve/


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-new-measures-to-protect-people-at-highest-risk-from-coronavirus
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 09, 2020, 09:37:AM
it doesn't say they're being refused NHS treatment; it says they're being left in their homes to fend for themselves when the government promised they would be looked after.
It separately (and untruthfully) gives the statement below (quoted exactly).

Remember: the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to anybody with the disabilities in its list, if they contract it.

It's interesting to note that one of the reasons given for the "lockdown" was to "flatten the curve" and hence reduce the pressure on the NHS. Now, though, we're being told to obey the new rules strictly, so as to "reach the other side of the peak" sooner. However, a likely consequence of the "lockdown", in addition to "flattening the curve", is that both the "peak" and "the other side of the peak" occur later, not sooner.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 11:57:AM
well i dont know they banned all the nurses and doctors from speaking  so they clearly have somthing to hide.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 12:55:PM
theres somthing about it her as welll https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/09/nice-guidelines-coronavirus-pandemic-disabled
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 04:01:PM
what do they have to hide i wonder https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR2-2eKVcxLBgb_5ZYpwR7U6tfAIfJiA3ygg_VpaJVX6mfwhyVN1Nn4LtAQ
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 09, 2020, 04:20:PM
I think the government wants to avoid panic. But healthcare professionals will find a way of speaking out anonymously if they feel the need.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 04:32:PM
I think the government wants to avoid panic. But healthcare professionals will find a way of speaking out anonymously if they feel the need.

if the gverment really wants to aviod panic they should do somthing about the bbc and sky nthey seem to be tryin to scare everyone shitless.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on April 09, 2020, 05:31:PM
It separately (and untruthfully) gives the statement below (quoted exactly).

Remember: the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to anybody with the disabilities in its list, if they contract it.

It's interesting to note that one of the reasons given for the "lockdown" was to "flatten the curve" and hence reduce the pressure on the NHS. Now, though, we're being told to obey the new rules strictly, so as to "reach the other side of the peak" sooner. However, a likely consequence of the "lockdown", in addition to "flattening the curve", is that both the "peak" and "the other side of the peak" occur later, not sooner.
As far as I am aware the government does not have the authority to tell anyone in the NHS who should or should not be treated.  It is for doctors to decide on any individual’s treatment and the aim is always to preserve life.  ‘Do not resuscitate’ is a treatment which has been agreed, when resuscitation will serve no purpose but more likely cause unnecessary suffering to the patient.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 08:39:PM
the cheif medical officer is say the death toll is much lower than hospitals are reporting.

https://t.co/DF6CnalBBN?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 10, 2020, 01:09:PM
A very sad occurrence: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52242516
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2020, 01:48:PM
not normally fan of fox but this is intresting.

https://youtu.be/_qWmiWf81zI
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 10, 2020, 08:28:PM
For the UK, the reported daily deaths are still gradually increasing, today's count being a little short of 1 thousand. The trend seems to be that this count will peak about 5 days from now at a little over 1,100, and then decline for around 11 days. This decline might be more rapid, as in China, but might remain slightly above zero for considerably longer if some people arriving in the country already have the disease, or the disease spreads to small communities that are currently hardly affected (such as the Isle of Man and some care homes, nursing homes, and so on, that haven't yet been affected).  Even an 11-day decline would mean that the overall total deaths would exceed 22 thousand, which is about two and a half times the current total.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2020, 08:56:PM
i thouht they were flatnin the cure it should be going down b now not uo.

dont foret 2 thirds of them would oprobely deied this year acoring to the goverment.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 10, 2020, 10:05:PM
I think they've slightly increased the time allegedly needed for the current "lockdown" to show an effect in the official counts. I didn't post a corresponding trend for the published daily totals of positive tests because the peak would have been about now or tomorrow, making it simpler to just wait and see what happens - hence my earlier comment about this week being of especial interest.

Edit: I meant now or tomorrow in London, not the UK as a whole.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2020, 07:05:PM
the nhs is pausin the collection of data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/critical-care-capacity/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 12, 2020, 12:26:PM
The statistics info it links to is missing from the website, but is as shown below.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 12, 2020, 12:46:PM
https://youtu.be/YfG9nmAnQp4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 12, 2020, 06:05:PM
 ithought this as well

https://t.co/quAp4ueDKB?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 12, 2020, 06:27:PM
Tim Brooke-Taylor had died: https://youtu.be/LKDgb2WAU90
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 13, 2020, 03:50:PM
Face masks..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-wearing-face-masks-in-public-will-likely-become-new-norm-says-who-expert/ar-BB12yCnJ?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2020, 09:12:PM
ok lookits an over run hospital https://t.co/4B8t6xjRvt?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 14, 2020, 02:59:AM
Please, be cautious, don't believe everything those in so called power are trying desperately hard to make us (the public believe), - my personal opinion is that we should not, and there is no need for the public at large to all be on lockdown!

Neither, you, me, or them, will die under the banner of this 'Covid - 19' by simply being outside in the open (fresh air).However, the distancing advice the public are being given should be strictly adhered to...

Lockdown, in the current climate, is detrimental to the mental health of the worlds population(s)..

There is a known cure, but it has consequences for patient to patient - the virus can be eliminated within two to three days (at a cost)...

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 14, 2020, 03:03:AM
Please, be cautious, don't believe everything those in so called power are trying desperately hard to make us (the public believe), - my personal opinion is that we should not, and there is no need for the public at large to all be on lockdown!

Neither, you, me, or them, will die under the banner of this 'Covid - 19' by simply being outside in the open (fresh air).However, the distancing advice the public are being given should be strictly adhered to...

Lockdown, in the current climate, is detrimental to the mental health of the worlds population(s)..

There is a known cure, but it has consequences for patient to patient - the virus can be eliminated within two to three days (at a cost)...

The vaccine is available, but there is a cost!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 14, 2020, 06:36:AM
Trials are underway of various drugs and drug combinations. Remdesivir, for example, is intended to target the virus directly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 14, 2020, 06:38:PM
the death rates romrose signifaantly in 2016 but the govermentdident look down or even seem to give a shit.

https://t.co/Bk2RlkIo5Q?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 14, 2020, 08:40:PM
Over the last few days, the reported numbers of positive tests for COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly higher than expected, yet the reported numbers of deaths related to COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly lower than expected. This doesn't seem to make much sense, but may reflect an increase in testing, combined with either better treatment of those severely affected or different procedures for recording deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2020, 10:48:AM
this is turning into a bloody farce.

https://t.co/3RiEQBvPox
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2020, 01:30:PM
im not sure about dr shiva was intresting. thouh

https://youtu.be/Pxi3rXZccpg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 15, 2020, 08:15:PM
im not sure about dr shiva was intresting.

https://youtu.be/Pxi3rXZccpg
I think short term we have to develop the vaccine. Afterwards we can start to address the concerns Dr. Shiva raises.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 11:18:AM
http://www.theblogmire.com/a-comparison-of-lockdown-uk-with-non-lockdown-sweden/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 16, 2020, 01:55:PM
I think short term we have to develop the vaccine. Afterwards we can start to address the concerns Dr. Shiva raises.

"Dr. Shiva" is not a medical doctor and is an outright clown.

Ayyadurai, or “Dr. Shiva” as his fans call him, is a controversial scientist and long-shot Massachusetts Senate candidate who is pushing a variety of claims that range from dubious to medically disputed to outright false. He has argued that a strict vitamin regimen can prevent and treat the coronavirus—an unsubstantiated view at odds with the medical community and existing research. And he claims Fauci is a deep-state plant hellbent on “forced and mandatory vaccines” to support “Big Pharma”—a claim for which there is no evidence.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers)

During the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic Ayyadurai used social media to spread various conspiracy theories and misinformation about the pandemic. In January 2020 he claimed that the coronavirus was patented by the Pirbright Institute, but the patent he referenced relates to avian coronavirus, which infects birds, not SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 02:06:PM
well said i wsnt sure about him ill have to do some more reasearch wikpidia cant really be trusted as a source thouh

anyone cn edit it.

dr shiva also cliams to have invented email that makes me rather dubios of him but illhave to look it up.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 02:20:PM
fauchi and the cdc are partly the reason amercans are not bein tested.

https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus-test-kits-meant-for-the-uk-found-to-be-contaminated-with-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 16, 2020, 07:56:PM
"Dr. Shiva" is not a medical doctor and is an outright clown.

Ayyadurai, or “Dr. Shiva” as his fans call him, is a controversial scientist and long-shot Massachusetts Senate candidate who is pushing a variety of claims that range from dubious to medically disputed to outright false. He has argued that a strict vitamin regimen can prevent and treat the coronavirus—an unsubstantiated view at odds with the medical community and existing research. And he claims Fauci is a deep-state plant hellbent on “forced and mandatory vaccines” to support “Big Pharma”—a claim for which there is no evidence.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers)

During the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic Ayyadurai used social media to spread various conspiracy theories and misinformation about the pandemic. In January 2020 he claimed that the coronavirus was patented by the Pirbright Institute, but the patent he referenced relates to avian coronavirus, which infects birds, not SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation)
He may nevertheless be right about many of the points he raises. We don't know enough about genetically-modified soy, I'm quite sure there will be 300 million diabetics in India in a few years along with a huge increase in Western countries due to poor diet and obesity.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 16, 2020, 09:04:PM
He may nevertheless be right about many of the points he raises. We don't know enough about genetically-modified soy, I'm quite sure there will be 300 million diabetics in India in a few years along with a huge increase in Western countries due to poor diet and obesity.

He claims to have invented E-mail 20 years after E-mail was first invented. lol

"The U.S. Government has not recognized him as the inventor of email and he did not win the Westinghouse Science Talent Search for his program. Electronic mail services were widely used in the 1960s and 1970s and were commercially available long before 1980. To substantiate his claim to be the "inventor of email" Ayyadurai would have to show that no electronic mail system was produced prior to 1980, and so he has recently created an absurdly specific and historically inaccurate definition of electronic mail designed to exclude earlier systems. Ayyadurai has not even been able to show that he was the first to contract “electronic mail” to “email” or “e-mail” – his first documented use is in 1981 whereas the Oxford English Dictionary shows a newspaper usage in 1979. Despite Ayyadurai’s energetic public relations campaign, which presents him as the victim of a racist conspiracy financed by corporate interests, he has not received support from any credible experts in email technology or the history of information technology. His claims have been widely debunked by technology bloggers and articles based on them have been retracted by the Washington Post and the Huffington Post."
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 09:36:PM
He claims to have invented E-mail 20 years after E-mail was first invented. lol

"The U.S. Government has not recognized him as the inventor of email and he did not win the Westinghouse Science Talent Search for his program. Electronic mail services were widely used in the 1960s and 1970s and were commercially available long before 1980. To substantiate his claim to be the "inventor of email" Ayyadurai would have to show that no electronic mail system was produced prior to 1980, and so he has recently created an absurdly specific and historically inaccurate definition of electronic mail designed to exclude earlier systems. Ayyadurai has not even been able to show that he was the first to contract “electronic mail” to “email” or “e-mail” – his first documented use is in 1981 whereas the Oxford English Dictionary shows a newspaper usage in 1979. Despite Ayyadurai’s energetic public relations campaign, which presents him as the victim of a racist conspiracy financed by corporate interests, he has not received support from any credible experts in email technology or the history of information technology. His claims have been widely debunked by technology bloggers and articles based on them have been retracted by the Washington Post and the Huffington Post."

coud you post some links to relvant articales you are qauting then.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 09:26:AM
a bit from dr john oxford

https://novuscomms.com/2020/03/31/a-view-from-the-hvivo-open-orphan-orph-laboratory-professor-john-oxford/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 12:18:PM
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 03:38:PM

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 17, 2020, 06:55:PM
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/

That is another guy with no medical credentials spreading pseudoscientific misinformation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html)

You fall for it every time.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 07:03:PM
That is another guy with no medical credentials spreading pseudoscientific misinformation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html)

You fall for it every time.

dr gupta has outstanding medical crdintails robert f kendey jr never cliamed to have any  so your talking shit.

a per normal

your linksprove abslutly nothing there just opion pieces.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 07:20:PM
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/greater-risk-literacy-can-reduce-coronavirus-fear-by-gerd-gigerenzer-2020-03
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 18, 2020, 06:13:PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8223733/Have-gone-far-fear-lockdown-harming-nations-health-writes-Dr-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 18, 2020, 08:02:PM
From that article: "And yet there has never been a better time to visit A&E for prompt treatment."

Someone I know of (indirectly) had to go into hospital for prompt treatment. They caught COVID-19 there and died.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 18, 2020, 08:07:PM
From that article: "And yet there has never been a better time to visit A&E for prompt treatment."

Someone I know of (indirectly) had to go into hospital for prompt treatment. They caught COVID-19 there and died.

what were the there fror
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 19, 2020, 04:10:AM
For treatment of accidental injury, but I don't know how serious that was.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 01:59:PM
https://t.co/2XhoWDbB6r?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 04:59:PM
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/lancet-withdraws-chinese-nurses-letter-covid-19-coronavirus-12476096
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 08:22:PM
frm mr snowdon https://t.co/FzSBIMBUz0?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 10:31:PM
http://www.pharmatimes.com/news/eu_to_probe_pharma_over_false_pandemic_982876
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 20, 2020, 01:09:PM
UK investigates whether COVID-19 started in Chinese lab researching diseases in bats

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-investigates-whether-covid-19-started-in-chinese-lab-researching-diseases-in-bats-11974420 (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-investigates-whether-covid-19-started-in-chinese-lab-researching-diseases-in-bats-11974420)

Unlikely, but wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2020, 04:17:PM
a bit abot facemasks.

https://t.co/W88PwRlD1w?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2020, 05:01:PM
https://www.who.int/about/finances-accountability/funding/A71_INF2-en.pdf

more abut world health oranastion.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 20, 2020, 11:00:PM
Men more at risk: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-hits-men-harder-evidence-risk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 21, 2020, 11:37:AM
over run hospitals what a fucking joke https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/10/empty-non-coronavirus-beds-raise-fears-that-sickest-are-avoiding-nhs/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 21, 2020, 02:02:PM
I can't believe that those who are suffering chest pains/strokes won't summon help.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 21, 2020, 02:08:PM
Men more at risk: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-hits-men-harder-evidence-risk





Undetected cancers along with other underlying problems which men are the most unlikely to seek help about  whereas a woman is more likely to ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 21, 2020, 03:37:PM
https://t.co/b3fkswdpnH?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 21, 2020, 03:46:PM
Why am I not surprised that David Icke influenced the 5G tower fires.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJIKaE3DMrY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJIKaE3DMrY)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 21, 2020, 04:24:PM
https://t.co/wqJD5B1rad?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 22, 2020, 12:43:PM
Who can blame them..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-missouri-becomes-first-state-to-sue-china-over-an-appalling-campaign-of-deceit/ar-BB130O6K?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 22, 2020, 01:44:PM
and what if china doesnt want to pay up what the hell are they going to do about it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 22, 2020, 02:14:PM
and what if china doesnt want to pay up what the hell are they going to do about it.
China should cough up.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 22, 2020, 03:48:PM
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/18/cash-strapped-hospitals-lay-off-thousands-of-health-workers-despite-covid-19-staff-shortages/

funny there laying of nurses.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 11:35:AM
https://www.professorhinkley.com/blog/why-is-oregon-still-on-lock-down
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 11:42:AM
https://t.co/6RwggWAXyZ?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 05:10:PM
from dr fauchi himself.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 10:57:PM
daily deaths not as many as has been cliamed. in the press https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 12:10:AM
https://fieldcourt.co.uk/a-disproportionate-interference-with-rights-and-freedoms-the-coronavirus-regulations-and-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 01:47:PM
press confrence on the testing https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 24, 2020, 06:09:PM
daily deaths not as many as has been cliamed. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

According to that, the daily death is actually more than what is claimed.

"These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes."

hospitals providing the data are under significant operational pressure. This means that the totals reported at 5pm on each day may not include all deaths that occurred on that day or on recent prior days.

Once again you have not read the article properly.


Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 07:06:PM
According to that, the daily death is actually more than what is claimed.

"These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes."

hospitals providing the data are under significant operational pressure. This means that the totals reported at 5pm on each day may not include all deaths that occurred on that day or on recent prior days.

Once again you have not read the article properly.

your normal selective qauting agian

and the care home deaths can not be established yet as death certificates were not issued as covid.

belive it or not people are allways dying in care homes.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 24, 2020, 10:22:PM
He Traveled to Wuhan to Report on Coronavirus—and Hasn't Been Heard From Since

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUl1zs92co (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUl1zs92co)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 11:04:PM
China should cough up.

the only people they can really blame are the who for miscullatin the death rate and leading to an over reaction werent millons supposed to have deid by now.

i cant see its hinas fault that the data models wrong.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 25, 2020, 10:16:AM
https://www.theherald-news.com/2020/04/21/what-counts-as-a-covid-19-death/a38v0ed/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 25, 2020, 10:32:AM
https://t.co/A6gc1IF8RT?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 26, 2020, 06:59:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMkSNj_-7Q
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 26, 2020, 10:32:PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242260406.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 27, 2020, 02:18:PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 27, 2020, 03:32:PM
old peirs corbyn.

https://youtu.be/8WzkJnoq2xMhttps://youtu.be/8WzkJnoq2xM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 02:33:AM
https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/04/22/commissioners-may-soon-pull-the-plug-on-harris-countys-pop-up-hospital-at-nrg-park/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 28, 2020, 10:54:AM
Over the last few days, the reported numbers of positive tests for COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly higher than expected, yet the reported numbers of deaths related to COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly lower than expected. This doesn't seem to make much sense, but may reflect an increase in testing, combined with either better treatment of those severely affected or different procedures for recording deaths.

The truth is being kept from the public at large - for example, the government are calling Covid 19 virus, 'the first wave', and warning us that we are not out of the water yet, they tell us as often as they can, that 'second wave' of the virus is coming from around October - December!

This so called second wave will coincide with the onset of a strain of flu virus, and they know it will be virtually impossible to differentiate between the symptoms of the covid 19 virus, and flu. When this happens as things stand at the moment the government will simply be able to manipulate the statistics which best suits themselves. Since, any death which occurs during the pandemic will be recorded as a Covid 19 type death...

We are being lied to, by the various government agencies of the world, we are not still going through the 'first wave' of the pandemic, we are now going through the 'second wave'..

The 'first wave' of Covid 19 instances almost certainly started to take effect from September  2019. Think back to the com trails in the uk skies, in plentiful display September / October of last year, and the alarming rate of growth of flu like symptoms amongst the population. It seems somewhat obvious to me, that with each wave of the virus, a stronger more lethal strain of it is being used. We are part of an experiment, designed to ultimately reduce the worlds population. The lockdown measures are being kept in place, to prepare those of us who may survive the early waves of this pandemic, for something far worse just around the corner - reduce world population, economic failure, a new world order. One world government, one economy, cash a thing of the past, credit for everybody, non contactless transactions ever increasing, 'PANDEMIC' - (PAN) 'Out of the frying pan, into the fire' (DEMIC) 'Demonic manifestation'..

Covid 19 virus, 'the beginning of the end of days', as we know it...
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 01:11:PM
they didthe mathswronand now they dont want to  admit it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 01:18:PM
https://t.co/fdusp3eULW?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 04:15:PM
https://t.co/Ouv91hi20U?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 05:10:PM
https://t.co/AcnSRWjKiU?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 06:11:PM
https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 10:25:PM
i cant belive this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb56K4XGKQAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb56K4XGKQA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 02:23:PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 07:36:PM
this adreses thecrap about the care home deaths..

https://www.hsj.co.uk/commissioning/thousands-of-extra-deaths-outside-hospital-not-attributed-to-covid-19/7027459.article
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: grahameb on April 29, 2020, 09:13:PM
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why  is the government always telling us  the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 09:47:PM
totally breaks fars law.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468042718300101
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 09:48:PM
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why  is the government always telling us  the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?

i totaly agrea with you raham its obvios bollocks.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 10:18:PM
so that scumba cumin was involved.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/top-aide-to-u-k-s-johnson-pushed-scientists-to-back-lockdown?fbclid=IwAR11M00mPoNw77B78O6PTBRm12wiptVjSV8HHMqhoXhgVZaVaAmoAemcj9w
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 10:41:PM
as for the crap about socail distancing.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/25/two-metre-social-distancing-rule-conjured-nowhere-professor-claims-12609448/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.facebook&fbclid=IwAR3_pRlujr0-G3ektb9XTw6wq9RMdBvzGkAlUVc3HAN0e1KHQR8zSJzKQJ4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 01:01:AM
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/systematic-reviews-to-discover-true-cause-of-outbreak-deaths/7027491.article

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 12:00:PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20200420040621/https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/13/government-campaign-will-urge-seriously-ill-not-to-avoid-hospitals
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 01:01:PM
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 01:12:PM
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Emergency-Powers-and-Civil-Liberties-Report-april-2020.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2020, 04:34:PM
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why  is the government always telling us  the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?

Don't believe what the government is telling us!

The strain of the next (progressively stronger and specifically more direct) infection will wipe out two- thirds of the worlds population! 

The governments of worldwide countries are engaged in a joint enterprise to cull the population in their own region!

Don't be brainwashed by what all these murdering bastards are trying to make the 'mob' believe!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 05:00:PM
this somes things up  ithink

https://youtu.be/Hspw7Y1Gc5s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2020, 06:24:PM
We are less than 4 years, to the proveness that aliens are real...
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 07:16:PM
i dont know about that but i found what lord sumpton had to say intresting.

https://youtu.be/wqrR11HNFp8
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 08:44:PM
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 11:46:AM
Lawsuit sues China for six trillion dollars in coronavirus reparations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-tCc3S8V8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-tCc3S8V8)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 12:14:PM
over somthing thats less virlunt than flue acording the who id like to see how they get on they get on with that.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200331092221/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 12:36:PM
over somthing thats less virlunt than flue acording the who id like to see how they get on they get on with that.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200331092221/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza

From the link you posted -

"Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%."


Do you actually know how to read?  ???
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 01:00:PM
From the link you posted -

"Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%."


Do you actually know how to read?  ???


yes i read the whole thing clearly your to stupid to do that

i dont know why you keep posting  the your just making a fool of yourself

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 01:07:PM
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 01:27:PM
the also say that transmission is not airbourne


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1473309907700294

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 03:28:PM
the reinfection stuff is crap https://t.co/z6J7JqbCWz?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 05:48:PM
https://t.co/m36fGKFSlE?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 07:46:PM
the also say that transmission is not airbourne


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1473309907700294

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations


That first link is an article about a different virus and it was written thirteen years ago. COVID-19 didn't even exist when that was written.

The second link states -

"In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances"

Clearly, you cannot read.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 07:50:PM

That first link is an article about a different virus and it was written thirteen years ago. COVID-19 didn't even exist when that was written.

The second link states -

"In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances"

Clearly, you cannot read.

it says respaterly ileness and cobid is one i case you dident know your you just a bigger fool of yourself here.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 09:54:PM
SPECIAL REPORT: Evidence builds coronavirus came from a Chinese lab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1-dyM-YA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1-dyM-YA4)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 10:35:PM
alarming if true.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8262351/Nurse-New-York-claims-city-killing-COVID-19-patients-putting-ventilators.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 12:51:AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/coronavirus-vaccine-hunt-could-go-horribly-wrong

i hope not.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 11:24:AM
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494971-fear-itself-is-more-dangerous-than-covid-19
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 02, 2020, 02:17:PM
Western intelligence dossier claims China lied about human-to-human transmission, 'disappeared' whistle-blowers and refused to help other countries prepare a vaccine for coronavirus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279859/Bombshell-intelligence-lays-bare-China-lied-coronavirus-outbreak.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279859/Bombshell-intelligence-lays-bare-China-lied-coronavirus-outbreak.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 04:18:PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

looks like herd imunity was the best idea after all.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 05:34:PM
https://t.co/xs0qv0HtNB?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 05:46:PM
https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_743036/lang--en/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2Kc63YuSUWVFQReMvDXinHcg32_b9FgcFNnKrfBQtpccMpvp4KFiCZb4M
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 09:35:PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095096/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 03, 2020, 02:55:PM
theyve downraded the number of  deaths now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 03, 2020, 04:54:PM
theyve downraded the number of  deaths now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

The article does not say that.

I think you need to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 03, 2020, 05:37:PM
The article does not say that.

I think you need to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A)

i think you need to learn to read offical documents you fucking moron becouse anyone who reads it properly can see they have.

idont know who you think your impressing twat.


do you even know what the word provisonal means idiot.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 03, 2020, 06:00:PM
for mornic wankers like david.

https://youtu.be/eTX3xoLdDlw

60 thousand just the same as common flue kills every year in the usa..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 01:51:PM
https://t.co/dfq61qiRNy?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 02:39:PM
https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/covid-19-a-case-for-medical-detectives
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 05:53:PM
https://t.co/dfq61qiRNy?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 06:35:PM
https://youtu.be/3f0VRtY9oTs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Caroline on May 04, 2020, 07:43:PM
Not stopping, just wanted to say that I hope everyone is OK and take care!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 04, 2020, 07:49:PM
Here is another video to help nugnug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 08:09:PM
Here is another video to help nugnug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)

i dont know who you think your impressing dacid.
have you ever thought of debating like an adult.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 08:39:PM
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 08:45:PM
Not stopping, just wanted to say that I hope everyone is OK and take care!

thanks caroline good to hear from you agian.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 04, 2020, 09:11:PM
Here is another video to help nugnug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)


And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 09:23:PM

And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)

go and have a lie down david your clearly not well.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 04, 2020, 09:35:PM

And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)

Once nugnug has done that, he can move onto the more advanced teletubbie videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 11:10:AM
Once nugnug has done that, he can move onto the more advanced teletubbie videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4)

can you rufute anything ive said it would appear not.

we were waaiting for you to say somtin constructive.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 11:22:AM
https://t.co/v5h56FcsM3?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 11:26:AM
so muchfor clapping the nhs https://t.co/AAwFbua0Zj?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 01:45:PM
https://www.politeia.co.uk/the-law-and-the-lockdown-by-anthony-speaight-qc/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 02:23:PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 02:40:PM
can you rufute anything ive said it would appear not.

we were waaiting for you to say somtin constructive.

Why would I need to refute anything when your own links are refuting what you are saying?   ???

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:00:PM
Why would I need to refute anything when your own links are refuting what you are saying?   ???

you dident actuly read them did you.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 03:17:PM
you dident actuly read them did you.

The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.

Its you that is not reading them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:23:PM
The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.

Its you that is not reading them.

i never said it was les deadly than flue i said more people die of common flue as far as deadlness is concerned there about the same and theres umpteen experts that agrea with that  statement.

nearly ever doctor has actully done tests agreas with that statment.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 03:27:PM
i never said it was les deadly than flue i said more people die of common flue as far as deadlness is concerned there about the same and theres umpteen experts that agrea with that  statement.

nearly ever doctor has actully done tests agreas with that statment.

That's not what your own sources say

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10220.msg479163.html#msg479163 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10220.msg479163.html#msg479163)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:30:PM
The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.

Its you that is not reading them.

my sources dont all agrea with each other on everything that is genraly normal.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 03:34:PM
my sources dont all agrea with each other on everything that is genraly normal.

Nor do they agree with what you are saying.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:38:PM
well i might point ut there is a diffrence between deid with and deid of as any patholgist will tell yu.

i also might point ut that there is a diffrence between provisnol deaths and actully deaths as most statasticions will tell you.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 07:24:PM
https://globalcooperative.wordpress.com/2020/05/03/horrific-air-pollution-is-probable-cause-of-most-claimed-virus-deaths/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2020, 10:31:AM
https://youtu.be/BrBuv6kq6Rc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: buddy on May 07, 2020, 03:32:PM
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 07, 2020, 10:02:PM
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.

Coronaviruses were first discovered in the 1930s. They evolve just like every other organism.

The lab theory is that it accidentally got out Wuhan Institute of Virology. It only takes one employee to be careless with protocol. No one is suggesting its deliberate.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2020, 10:07:PM
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.

i dont think it was man made but your right about the meat mrkets buddy  i mean how long have they been eatin bats.

theve been been ding live meat markets fr hundreds f years. what i would like to know is how come nobdy seems to  by dien of any other viruses beouse every year people die of flue but they dont seem to be this year.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2020, 11:29:AM
https://t.co/XCEPsBiLUn?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 08, 2020, 11:37:AM
When will all this end? People can't live without an income. Do face masks offer any protection? Should 60+ year-olds be compelled to stay at home or is it their choice to risk life?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2020, 05:59:PM
anyone seen this. https://youtu.be/kQrtd-WCjos
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 08, 2020, 09:58:PM
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-temperature-screening-masks-18215339
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 08, 2020, 10:14:PM
anyone seen this. https://youtu.be/kQrtd-WCjos
I don't doubt the figure of 500,000 deaths without the lockdown. You only have to look at the spike in cases in Gloucestershire following the decision to allow the Cheltenham Festival to proceed. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11453203/cheltenham-festival-disaster-coronavirus-dr-hilary/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2020, 11:39:PM
well ive got a fair few doubts as countrys that dident lock down have rouhly the same death rate as countrys that did.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 01:30:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdv6FLHfJ5w
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 08:59:PM
from belrus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_UAkHQFcgA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 09, 2020, 10:20:PM
well ive got a fair few doubts as countrys that dident lock down have rouhly the same death rate as countrys that did.
I'm not sure that's true, and anyway there are multiple factors at play such as how the figures are collated, demographics, healthcare, ethnicity, poverty rates, population density, travel and tourism rates. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11576513/norway-lift-coronavirus-lockdown-sweden/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 10:59:PM
well belrus dident do anything not even cancel the football and there death rate is low o course they could be missccountin but then so could any country including us.

itally more less admits theydid..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 11:33:PM
from cnn https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1256579248342564865
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on May 10, 2020, 05:18:AM
Phase one of delivery of the first Covid-19 pandemic was by way of 'COM TRAILS' last seen making unusual patterns in the UK skies (it was happening in other nations on the earth. To be specific, the first Wave of this pandemic coincided with this delivery system (a tester strain). October, November and December of last year saw a remarkable rise in flu like symptoms!  In this first wave some public and international victims may have died from being poisoned  by this experimental  project as a result of it's delivery to the worlds population

It should be borne in mind, that those responsible for releasing this first strain of the virus, already had a vaccine to counter negative symptom  features before it became a functional operation!

In the second wave of Covid-19 cases, the strain has been upgraded and at the time of this implementation, it was possible, for decision makers to target  'vulnerable', 'ethnic minority groups', and 'elderly people' at or above , all of whom are known to be reliant on financial support of pension payments, ESA, PIPS, and the  'Universal Credit' systems!

This second (phase) wave spread of the virus (is in my view, in anyone trying to belittle me, or for anyone of sound mind, to adopt the following approach, to any suggestion, complaint, authority and the way justice is distributed in society that I am supposedly delusional, and a Conspiracy theorist)!

The Government of our countries, already must know or realize what is coming with regards to all the recent deaths in each Region, Country, and world population!

Trust me...

Those in power, and authority, have never been at risk of developing symptoms, or even death, because before this second much stronger strain of this reprogrammed virus, they already had a vaccine to this second wave of the virus pandemic!

The spread of the second wave of the Covid-19 virus was delivered by a reliance upon international travel, tourism, and economic, or circumstance connected with, the or to regard to aeroplanes and ship travel from all countries, and in particular from and to different capital cities around the World!

The next wave of this virus will have a different delivery system in place!


Deaths of all those remaining or to have survived these first two waves of the virus will come about through a new delivery system almost certainly involving the key factor in lockdown consequences! This means that the most vulnerable amongst us, who have to self isolate for a longer period than other members of the public, as set out in the current pandemic emergence!

There is a very worrying concern, that those behind the introduction into this particular virus pandemic, are  systematically going about the business of apportioning blame on one party or another...

(To be continued)!





Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 10, 2020, 10:48:AM
a bit from cnn https://www.facebook.com/cnn/posts/10160799274796509
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 10, 2020, 10:51:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrL9QKGQrWk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 11, 2020, 12:30:AM
the plot thickens https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/22/palantir-coronavirus-contract-did-not-go-to-competitive-tender/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 12, 2020, 06:18:PM
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 12, 2020, 06:48:PM
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/05/social_distancing_is_snake_oil_not_science.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2020, 01:18:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrL9QKGQrWk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2020, 08:13:PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8311401/Denmark-unlikely-hit-second-wave-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2020, 09:39:PM


The next wave of this virus will have a different delivery system in place!


Deaths of all those remaining or to have survived these first two waves of the virus will come about through a new delivery system almost certainly involving the key factor in lockdown consequences! This means that the most vulnerable amongst us, who have to self isolate for a longer period than other members of the public, as set out in the current pandemic emergence!

There is a very worrying concern, that those behind the introduction into this particular virus pandemic, are  systematically going about the business of apportioning blame on one party or another...

(To be continued)!

Now, that they move into a restricted lock down phase wave 3 of the Covid - 19, certain valuable members of the economy are invited to return to work.

We should get ready for the next method of delivery of an even stronger strain of the virus, but designed to target the disabled, and or unwell amongst us..

This 3rd method type of attack is almost certainly going to be via the water supply system, which is or any fluids, or such as milk, water and other popular refreshment drinks!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2020, 11:28:PM
mike all viruses taret the disabled and unwell thats what a virus  does.

all viruses mutate as well the flue does it every year.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 14, 2020, 10:58:PM
from the bmj

https://t.co/49zZxXaML2?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 15, 2020, 12:34:PM
https://t.co/wFpqnETGny?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 15, 2020, 05:25:PM
confirms harmeless to the vast majority.

https://youtu.be/adj8MCsZKlg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2020, 08:23:PM
lookdown tv.

https://youtu.be/uk2YZfnsOPg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2020, 05:28:PM
secound wave unlickly.

https://t.co/zgnDdTDszD?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2020, 07:47:PM
mike all viruses taret the disabled and unwell thats what a virus  does.

all viruses mutate as well the flue does it every year.

Wait, before you speak!

The next wave will have devastating consequences , and the government of the day will point responsibility to public pressure forcing decisions to be made disadvantaged or to the general public good!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2020, 09:42:PM
see above.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 21, 2020, 03:21:PM
https://youtu.be/DKh6kJ-RSMI
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 21, 2020, 04:03:PM
https://t.co/lGVEa7nY3x?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2020, 12:13:AM
https://www.bihealth.org/en/research/research-groups/christian-drosten/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 22, 2020, 02:53:PM
"It will be harder to get rid of Covid than smallpox. With smallpox it was at least clear who was infected, whereas people with coronavirus can spread it without knowing. A thornier problem is that as long as the infection rages in one country, all other nations are at risk." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/why-we-might-not-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB14shaz?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2020, 10:04:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFy2739j7g&t=96s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2020, 10:10:AM
https://youtu.be/uNFy2739j7g
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2020, 01:56:PM
https://t.co/CYOhVkKpmM?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2020, 08:27:PM
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2020, 02:05:PM
https://t.co/7AJTzh6B4T?amp=1