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Title: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 13, 2020, 01:00:PM
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Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 13, 2020, 06:12:PM
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The description of these lamps are the same as the two lamps ontop of the AGA shelf. You can see them partly in the crime scene photos behind the blue jacket.  ???
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 13, 2020, 06:53:PM
The description of these lamps are the same as the two lamps ontop of the AGA shelf. You can see them partly in the crime scene photos behind the blue jacket.  ???

There was talk locally that light aircraft was dropping parcels of drugs on land belonging to whf, and that these two lamps w ere used at nighttime to help determine an area where the drugs could be dumped from light aircraft!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 13, 2020, 07:16:PM

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5103.0;attach=35454)
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 13, 2020, 07:20:PM
Daft question----were they fingerprinted ?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Jan on February 13, 2020, 07:35:PM
I was going to say hare coursers .
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 04:05:AM
At the time of the shooting tragedy at whf, Jeremy and his associates were under surveillance by the drugs squad! This was in connection with international drug smuggling and the fact that Jeremy was growing Opium poppies and Cannabis plants, both in his rear garden at Head Street, Goldhanger, and on farmland belonging to whf,  and it should not be overlooked that the farm had a license to grow Opium poppies, and the fact that low flying aircraft were known to be dumping drug packages on land close to the farmhouse!

Indeed, on the late evening of 6th August 1985, a surveillance aircraft is documented as having been flying in the skies above Goldhanger and whf..

Jeremy Bamber and his gang of drug dealing / smugglers had already been under scrutiny by the drugs squad and customs for almost a month prior to the shootings at the farmhouse. On the evening of Tuesday the 6th August 1985, a covert team of drug squad officers followed Jeremy's Vauxhall astra GTE home from work at whf to his cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger. The problem the police had once Jeremy returned to Head Street, was that drug squad officers who were parked up outside in and around the neighbourhood, focussed primarily on the position of his astra, and they missed Jeremy's departure at around midnight, when he returned to the farmhouse on foot..

Upon arrival, he was met by the South African farm murder suspect, Ralph Neville...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 07:52:AM
At the time of the shooting tragedy at whf, Jeremy and his associates were under surveillance by the drugs squad! This was in connection with international drug smuggling and the fact that Jeremy was growing Opium poppies and Cannabis plants, both in his rear garden at Head Street, Goldhanger, and on farmland belonging to whf,  and it should not be overlooked that the farm had a license to grow Opium poppies, and the fact that low flying aircraft were known to be dumping drug packages on land close to the farmhouse!

Indeed, on the late evening of 6th August 1985, a surveillance aircraft is documented as having been flying in the skies above Goldhanger and whf..

Jeremy Bamber and his gang of drug dealing / smugglers had already been under scrutiny by the drugs squad and customs for almost a month prior to the shootings at the farmhouse. On the evening of Tuesday the 6th August 1985, a covert team of drug squad officers followed Jeremy's Vauxhall astra GTE home from work at whf to his cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger. The problem the police had once Jeremy returned to Head Street, was that drug squad officers who were parked up outside in and around the neighbourhood, focussed primarily on the position of his astra, and they missed Jeremy's departure at around midnight, when he returned to the farmhouse on foot..

Upon arrival, he was met by the South African farm murder suspect, Ralph Neville...

Ralph Neville was ’the scruffy looking hunched up man, seen walking away from the farmhouse' at about 4.50am mentioned in a newspaper Report about the shooting incidents. He returned to Osea Road Camp Site in one of the farm tractors he had left parked up in a nearby field (after the shootings). He returned to whf the later that same morning at around 8.00 am  in the farm tractor on the pretense that he was turning up for work, only for him to be met by police at the junction where Pages Lane meets the Tollsbury Road. Soon afterwards, and having parked up the tractor in a nearby field Ralph Neville hitchhiked to the nearest port intent on fleeing the country...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 08:26:AM
Ralph Neville had fled South Africa in the wake of the white South African farm families massacres ( many of which were carried out and executed in similar fashion similar to what happened at whf). Just like he fled the UK after the whf slaughter, he had previously left South Africa after 'the slaughterings of white South African farmers and their families'! At the time of the 'slaughter of three generations of the Bamber family' at whf, Ralph Neville was wanted by South African Police for questioning about his possible involvement in the white South African farm slaughters. He was a registered firearms dealer, and firearm marksmen ( Jeremy told me all about this when we were both in custody at HMP Full Sutton, during conversions we had about the shooting dead of four members of his family - these conversations were automatically recorded by prison authorities in the known to me 'natural way that all conversations which took place in that high security prison', at that time..

Sheila Caffell did not anticipate the involvement of Ralph Neville in the whf matters, Jeremy Bamber was her only ('known to her') conspirator...

But Ralph Neville was the supposed mercenary / hitman that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about soon after the tragedy! He had misleadingly told  his then girlfriend Julie that the name of the mercenary who shot and killed everyone was 'Mathew MacDonald', who had a local reputation for having been a mercenary in years gone by. But this was a deception on Jeremy's part to reflect attention from the role played out in the shootings...

Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 08:40:AM
Ralph Neville had fled South Africa in the wake of the white South African farm families massacres ( many of which were carried out and executed in similar fashion similar to what happened at whf). Just like he fled the UK after the whf slaughter, he had previously left South Africa after 'the slaughterings of white South African farmers and their families'! At the time of the 'slaughter of three generations of the Bamber family' at whf, Ralph Neville was wanted by South African Police for questioning about his possible involvement in the white South African farm slaughters. He was a registered firearms dealer, and firearm marksmen ( Jeremy told me all about this when we were both in custody at HMP Full Sutton, during conversions we had about the shooting dead of four members of his family - these conversations were automatically recorded by prison authorities in the known to me 'natural way that all conversations which took place in that high security prison', at that time..

Sheila Caffell did not anticipate the involvement of Ralph Neville in the whf matters, Jeremy Bamber was her only ('known to her') conspirator...

But Ralph Neville was the supposed mercenary / hitman that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about soon after the tragedy! He had misleadingly told  his then girlfriend Julie that the name of the mercenary who shot and killed everyone was 'Mathew MacDonald', who had a local reputation for having been a mercenary in years gone by. But this was a deception on Jeremy's part to reflect attention from the role played out in the shootings...

See 'You Tube' Documentary, about the case ('status Quo')during the period of the 'white South African Farm murders' at the following link:-

(1) - https://youtu.be/JU4m8hkf-O0
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 14, 2020, 09:44:AM
The trouble here is that the nephew who'd been staying at WHF during his drug habit ( Roland Pargetter ) and who was allegedly being weaned off drugs was later dismissed by Nevill for smoking weed ?
Isn't this one thing laughing at another if Nevill had known of this " drop ?".
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 04:05:PM
At the time Jeremy Bamber received the telephone call from whf he was obviously 'home' in his cottage! Although he claimed it was the voice on the other end of the line, that it was his father (Ralph Neville Bamber who spoke to him), it was in fact 'the voice of Ralph Neville' who was simply getting the 'thumbs up' to confirm that Jeremy was safely back at his home before 'Ralph Neville called the police at 3.26am', pretending to be Ralph Neville Bamber  who told the police that 'my daughter has gone crazy' , and that 'She has got hold of one of my guns' ...

The content of that phone call (3.26am) was 'recorded on police automated recording equipment' and 'still exists as part of the Southend on Sea, investigation' ('Special Branch files'). It was subsequently established by relatives, friends and work colleagues, that 'the person speaking on the other end of the phone who spoke to PC West at 3.26am' , that 'the voice on the recording which purported to be Ralph Neville Bamber', was in fact, 'not him'! Neither was the voice of that recording, the voice of
Jeremy Bamber

By the end of the first week in September 1985, police were satisfied by a reliance on the content of that (3.26am) police recording, and the 'general information provided by the jilted girlfriend' (Julie Mugford ) that Jeremy was behind or involved in the planning, or execution of four of the five murders, and they knew at Headquarter level, that a part from Sheila and Jeremy being behind or involved in such a dastardly plot, that there existed another accomplice, that a third accomplice (without including the role of Julie Mugford) was involved in the plot to murder four members of the family!

However, Mathew MacDonald   was not
 that third accomplice!


But..

Ralph Neville was..


Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 05:51:PM
Mathew McDonald was not merely exonerated because he had a concrete alibi at the 'time of the massacre' but just as importantly, 'his voice' was 'not the voice' of the individual which 'contacted PC West from the farmhouse at 3.26am', purporting to be 'Ralph Neville Bamber'!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 05:57:PM
Mathew McDonald was not merely exonerated because he had a concrete alibi at the 'time of the massacre' but just as importantly, 'his voice' was 'not the voice' of the individual which 'contacted PC West from the farmhouse at 3.26am', purporting to be 'Ralph Neville Bamber'!

For what its worth, the individual who made that call (3.26am), was 'none other' than 'Ralph Neville' (the South African white farm slaughter fugitive)...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 06:05:PM
It was always somewhat interesting to me, how people (including Jeremy, himself) often referred to Jeremy's father, by the name 'Ralph', and or ' Neville', or as the case, may be, or have been, 'Ralph Neville' / 'Bamber'...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 06:10:PM
It was always somewhat interesting to me, how people (including Jeremy, himself) often referred to Jeremy's father, by the name 'Ralph', and or ' Neville', or as the case, may be, or have been, 'Ralph Neville' / 'Bamber'...

Rest assured, that 'Ralph Neville' was the individual who made the call to Jeremy from whf to his cottage, prior to him (Ralph Neville) making the 3.26am call to PC West!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 06:15:PM
The £2,000 that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about concerning the payment he made to the mercenary / hitman to carry out the four murders, was the money Ralph Neville demanded for killing everyone (other than Sheila), which he used to flee from the UK on the morning of the killings!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 06:19:PM
The £2,000 that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about concerning the payment he made to the mercenary / hitman to carry out the four murders, was the money Ralph Neville demanded for killing everyone (other than Sheila), which he used to flee from the UK on the morning of the killings!

Ralph Neville, hitchhiked to the nearest port and ended up in Belgium, and rendezvoused with an internationally well known high profile drug baron, who was a business associate (in the drug culture of the time) of Jeremy's! He was behind the deliveries by light aircraft of drug drops in and around whf and Goldhanger that police were interested in, before and after the murders...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 06:24:PM
Ralph Neville, hitchhiked to the nearest port and ended up in Belgium, and rendezvoused with an internationally well known high profile drug baron there who was a business associate (in the drug culture of the time,1985) of Jeremy's! He was behind the deliveries by light aircraft of drug drops in and around whf and Goldhanger that police were interested in, before and after the murders...

Essex police, the drug squad, Customs and Special Branch officers, all knew that this well known drug baron had shown an interest in 'the purchasing' or 'takeover' of an expensive property in the region of Maldon/Goldhanger, but which never materialised because of Jeremy Bambers arrest in connection with the killings of members of his own family!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 14, 2020, 06:34:PM
  ...this well known drug baron had shown an interest in 'the purchasing' or 'takeover' of an expensive property in the region of Maldon/Goldhanger, but which never materialised because of Jeremy Bambers arrest in connection with the killings of members of his own family!

The targeted property, was in fact whf...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 14, 2020, 06:41:PM
Mathew McDonald was not merely exonerated because he had a concrete alibi at the 'time of the massacre' but just as importantly, 'his voice' was 'not the voice' of the individual which 'contacted PC West from the farmhouse at 3.26am', purporting to be 'Ralph Neville Bamber'!

 ;D
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Roch on February 14, 2020, 09:19:PM
Mike you had your chance to explore the drugs connection with HorseyDave. He said similar things about it about five - ten pages in from the beginning of the forum. I posted one of his posts up recently, about the finding of the silencer being in September.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Jan on February 14, 2020, 11:38:PM
Yes so you have known about all this and defended a guilty man and spent years going through documents for what exactly ?

Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Jan on February 14, 2020, 11:45:PM
So mike why did you write this ?

“ ased upon information and evidence which I have in my possession over the past 21 years or so whilst I have been taking an interest in this case, I have managed to form opinions which from my point of view, help me to reconstruct what took place at various points of the incident, which unfolded at whf, culminating in the deaths of five members of the same family. I am able to produce reconstructions of the various stages, for others to comment upon, and consider, in the search for the truth:-

(1) Between 3am and 4:10am

3:20am - Ralph Bamber contacts his son, Jeremy, from whf to head street, Goldhanger, alerting Jeremy to the fact that Sheila had got the gun and that she was going crazy, and could Jeremy "come quickly" to the farm. Connection gets interrupted, and although Jeremy tries to re-establish contact with his father at the farm, he keeps getting the engaged tone, which leads Jeremy to presume that his father is talking to someone else on the phone...

3:26am - Ralph contacts the police, telling them that his daughter has got possession of one of his guns and that she is going berserk

3:30am - Jeremy calls Julie Mugford, and tells her that something is happening at the farm

3:35am - the occupants of CA07, are deployed to the scene, in response to Ralph Bambers call

3:36am - Jeremy contacts the police and tells them about the call he recently received from his father at whf, there is a short delay, before he is told by the police to go to whf where he will be met by police officers who have already been deployed to the scene. Jeremy is told that if he gets to whf before the police do, that he is not to attempt to enter the farmhouse, and is specifically instructed to wait for the police to arrive there”
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2020, 07:29:AM
Mike you had your chance to explore the drugs connection with HorseyDave. He said similar things about it about five - ten pages in from the beginning of the forum. I posted one of his posts up recently, about the finding of the silencer being in September.

Yes, there was certainly a drugs connection by those or some involved in this shooting tragedy...

Sheila - Freddie Emani

Jeremy - Julie Mugford and all those she lived amongst in her bedsit...

Scotland

Belgium

Australia

South Africa


Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2020, 12:10:PM
I posted one of his posts up recently, about the finding of the silencer being in September.

Yes, it is now confirmed that in fact there were at least two different silencers which formed part of the prosecutions case, one (SBJ/1) originally seized by DS Stan Jones at the scene on the first morning of the investigation, and a second silencer handed over to police by Ann Eaton in September 1985..
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Kaldin on February 15, 2020, 12:44:PM
Where specifically did Stan Jones find the silencer on 7th August?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2020, 01:03:PM
Where specifically did Stan Jones find the silencer on 7th August?

Downstairs toilet, and he also took a photograph of the contents of the same downstairs toilet, which subsequently got destroyed according to an entry in one of the four property registers, as part of the SC/688/85 investigation..
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 15, 2020, 01:07:PM
I've just read an online forum where someone posted that the silencer was found in the wardrobe  ::) It was 2014---so little wonder there are no more posts on that forum after then. You'd be surprised at the amount of posters who got things wrong.
Another one said that JB had been involved with a shipment of drugs at Tollesbury Marina and was being watched--------then decided it was someone else. A lot of drugs around there at the time of the murders.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Kaldin on February 15, 2020, 01:46:PM
Mike, I'm really not sure why any of this matters to you. For years you said Jeremy was innocent, and now for some reason you say that he told you years ago that he killed his mother, father, and his nephews, but not his sister. If he did that, he's just as guilty, so why does it matter to you?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 15, 2020, 02:19:PM
Mike, I'm really not sure why any of this matters to you. For years you said Jeremy was innocent, and now for some reason you say that he told you years ago that he killed his mother, father, and his nephews, but not his sister. If he did that, he's just as guilty, so why does it matter to you?

28 years to be more precise.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Jan on February 15, 2020, 04:27:PM
That’s what I find really sad .

It is the boy who cried wolf .

Mike has spent hours and done some really good research on the documents and somewhere in amongst all of this there could be an answer that would prove things one way or another

But as the story has changed so many times I am tending not to believe anything at the moment .


Personally if he believes a hitman is involved he is defending a guilty man . Not acceptable.


Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 16, 2020, 06:35:PM
28 years to be more precise.

He is 'innocent' of / for shooting dead his sister, Sheila Caffell, and because he is / was, why shouldn't someone in my position at that stage, take the stance that I took?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 16, 2020, 06:37:PM
He is 'innocent' of / for shooting dead his sister, Sheila Caffell, and because he is / was, why shouldn't someone in my position at that stage, take the stance that I took?

You took the stance that he was innocent of all five murder charges.  ::)
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 16, 2020, 06:53:PM

Personally if he believes a hitman is involved he is defending a guilty man . Not acceptable.

Forgive me for pointing out what I am about to comment upon - so,  is it really true and acceptable, that in circumstances where one authority or another believes that someone like Jeremy was guilty of being involved in four of the murders, one way - Irrespective of a defendants guilt or innocence in any case, should any evidence upon which a prosecution of any sort or type, not be true, and the accused / defendant or another, that it becomes / is acceptable, for anyone in a position of authority or favour to the prosecutions case,  to fabricate / falsify, any evidence which may or is capable of persuading a jury to be convinced that the lies introduced and relied upon during a trial, was / is absolutely true? When it is clearly false, and wrong, and unreliable?

In cases where the authorities are convinced that this or that person (or persons) did whatever they have been accused of, charged and standing trial for,  is /was guilty, and responsible for committing such a crime, that this automatically entitles the authorities to introduce fabricated evidence, in order to pursue such a prosecution to convict a person of one crime or another!

We were all born with 'freewill', which determines whether you should admit to something you have been accused of by a reliance upon evidence that had no bearing on the actual crime alleged!

Simply put - 'two wrongs don't make a right'!

According to scripture, everyone of us were born with the same quality - 'free will'...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 16, 2020, 07:19:PM
You took the stance that he was innocent of all five murder charges.  ::)

You had better reflect on your accusation against me!

Jeremy Bamber was convicted of all five murders, based upon the principle fact that his sister could not possibly have shot herself dead with a silencer fitted to the end of the semi-automatic rifle, and then detach the said silencer from the guns barrell and transit it downstairs from the main bedroom into the gun cupboard, (or the downstairs toilet where Anthony Pargeter rifle, sound moderator and ammunitions was normally kept, was known to be stored) - two sound moderators, remember, one belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 (Brno) bolt action rifle, and a second sound moderator belonging to the .22 (anshuzt) semi-automnatic rifle?

What we are dealing here with 'is fabricated' and 'false' and 'dishonest evidence'!

And, so...

I am being put under the spotlight, simply because I believe that evidence relied upon to get Jeremy Bamber convicted of the murders of five members of his family, fell upon the allegation that he shot dead his sister, and that it was 'he' who removed a sound moderator from the end of the barrel of the gun which fired that all so fatal second shot ( which could not have been inflicted upstairs in the parents bedroom, until after 810am), when according to the official police radio log messages, thereafter, had been two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen downstairs, and a further three bodies found upstairs in bedrooms?

Is /could anyone who believes in this type of 'false evidence'  (a human being with a brain) have such an alleged type of functional brain, or is being honest with themselves, and everybody else?

I can see it, now...

The powers that be, and influenced members of the public, all believing,  and accepting, that because the authorities or the powers that be, or as in this case, independent so called witnesses, were satisfied that he had played some role or other in the murders of four of the five victims, and that the relatives who stood to benefit financially from a conviction against Jeremy Bamber, once he was convicted of inheriting the Bamber part of their entitled to, inheritance?




Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 16, 2020, 07:36:PM
You took the stance that he was innocent of all five murder charges.  ::)

Which was not true, he did not harm, or shoot dead his sister and stage her death scene upstairs 'on the main bedroom floor' , she was not shot until after the firearm officers entered the farmhouse at approximately 7.30am, which part of my simple explanation can't you comprehend?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 16, 2020, 07:53:PM
Which was not true, he did not harm, or shoot dead his sister and stage her death scene upstairs 'on the main bedroom floor' , she was not shot until after the firearm officers entered the farmhouse at approximately 7.30am, which part of my simple explanation can't you comprehend?

You made it perfectly clear that you believed Sheila had shot the other 4 people in the house.

How would you like it if someone started saying you had admitted to what you claim cops stitched you for Mike?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 16, 2020, 07:59:PM
You made it perfectly clear that you believed Sheila had shot the other 4 people in the house.

How would you like it if someone started saying you had admitted to what you claim cops stitched you for Mike?

Yes, I understand 'ur argument!

But,  however, Jeremy Bamber did not, and he has not shot his sister downstairs in the kitchen (initially), and shot her a second time upstairs on the floor of her parents bedroom!

As far as I am concerned, based upon the methods adopted by the powers that be, and the treatment of suspects/ accused and defendants, what took place in the prosecution of Jeremy Bamber for all five murders was / is wrong, and not lawful!!!

God, in his/her wisdom would never have sanctioned such a proposition!!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 16, 2020, 08:06:PM
Yes, I understand 'ur argument!

But,  however, Jeremy Bamber did not, and he has not shot his sister downstairs in the kitchen (initially), and shot her a second time upstairs on the floor of her parents bedroom!

As far as I am concerned, based upon the methods adopted by the powers that be, and the treatment of suspects/ accused and defendants, what took place in the prosecution of Jeremy Bamber for all five murders was / is wrong, and not lawful!!!

God, in his/her wisdom would never have sanctioned such a proposition!!

I therefore, conclude, that the prosecution of Jeremy Bamber for committing five murders of his family, based upon the allegation that he had shot dead his sister on  her parents main bedroom floor, at precisely 9.13am,  cannot and is not true!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 16, 2020, 08:10:PM
It is irrelevant that he must have had something to do with any of the other four murders (June, Ralph, Nicholas and Daniel), if Sheila (in his mind) was destined to remain alive (to effectively take the rap) and be officially held responsible for her own death and the killings of the other four victims in this tragedy!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Kaldin on February 16, 2020, 08:35:PM
He was presumably found guilty on each count, so he would still be in prison for ever for the murder of four of his family.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Steve_uk on February 16, 2020, 09:02:PM
He was presumably found guilty on each count, so he would still be in prison for ever for the murder of four of his family.
Yes and this is shocking enough, even if you believe Mike's story to the letter.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Reader on February 17, 2020, 01:27:AM
. . . prior to him (Ralph Neville) making the 3.26am call to PC West!
A time was logged as 03:26 by Malcolm Bonnett, and related to Pc West's call to the Police HQ Information Room, not the time of the call to Pc West that led to Pc West calling HQIR.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 05:42:AM
He was presumably found guilty on each count, so he would still be in prison for ever for the murder of four of his family.

No, I don't believe this to be true, because his trial and the evidence relied upon in respect of all five of the murders, was that Sheila had not killed herself, and that the only other person who could have shot and killed her was Jeremy Bamber!

It was a mistrial and the verdicts which were reached in any event are based by a reliability upon false, faked, and corrupted evidence!

There can never have been a fair trial when the trial judge in his summing up gave the jury two options! For example, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy! Supported by the allegation that the sound Moderator was fitted on the end of the rifles barrel at the time the fatal second shot was fired into Sheila's neck and that once this occurred, she could not possibly have removed the silencer and taken it all the way downstairs and placed it in a cardboard box hidden at the back of a downstairs cupboard in a room described as the downstairs office, or as the case may be ' the den', and then returned back upstairs to reset her own suicide!

Of course, being faced with the trial judges (Drake) directions in this matter, the jury would have been very strongly influenced by the trial judges comments, and 10 of the 12 jury members bought into the false narrative as spoken to them by Justice Drake, and decided that between either Sheila or Jeremy, that Jeremy must have been responsible for shooting dead his sister!

The jury were never made aware, that in fact two different identical looking sound moderators (Silencers) were in one way or another, part of the police, and scientific evidence! One belonging to the so called Bamber owned semiautomatic anshuzt rifle, and the other belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 (Brno) bolt action rifle..

But, as we now know, blood was found inside the bàffle plates of one one of these two silencers ('SBJ/1' and. 'DB/1'), whilst red paint from the second Sound moderator ('DRB/1') was found ingrained into the knurled part on the end of that second silencer, which was matched to the red painted kitchen aga surround.  Well I have a number of realistic observations to make that those of you who are genuinely interested in where the truth of the matter lies, should pay attention to, and perhaps reconsider...

Based on what can now be proven / established, blood was found inside one of the two Sound Moderators (DB/1 - formerly exhibit 'SBJ/1'), and red paint from the scratched aga in the kitchen was present upon a second sound moderator ('DRB/1'), so here is proof that two identical looking sound Moderators (silencers) were used in the shootings!

Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 06:01:AM
No, I don't believe this to be true, because his trial and the evidence relied upon in respect of all five of the murders, was that Sheila had not killed herself, and that the only other person who could have shot and killed her was Jeremy Bamber!

It was a mistrial and the verdicts which were reached in any event are based by a reliability upon false, faked, and corrupted evidence!

There can never have been a fair trial when the trial judge in his summing up gave the jury two options! For example, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy! Supported by the allegation that the sound Moderator was fitted on the end of the rifles barrel at the time the fatal second shot was fired into Sheila's neck and that once this occurred, she could not possibly have removed the silencer and taken it all the way downstairs and placed it in a cardboard box hidden at the back of a downstairs cupboard in a room described as the downstairs office, or as the case may be ' the den', and then returned back upstairs to reset her own suicide!

Of course, being faced with the trial judges (Drake) directions in this matter, the jury would have been very strongly influenced by the trial judges comments, and 10 of the 12 jury members bought into the false narrative as spoken to them by Justice Drake, and decided that between either Sheila or Jeremy, that Jeremy must have been responsible for shooting dead his sister!

The jury were never made aware, that in fact two different identical looking sound moderators (Silencers) were in one way or another, part of the police, and scientific evidence! One belonging to the so called Bamber owned semiautomatic anshuzt rifle, and the other belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 (Brno) bolt action rifle..

But, as we now know, blood was found inside the bàffle plates of one one of these two silencers ('SBJ/1' and. 'DB/1'), whilst red paint from the second Sound moderator ('DRB/1') was found ingrained into the knurled part on the end of that second silencer, which was matched to the red painted kitchen aga surround.  Well I have a number of realistic observations to make that those of you who are genuinely interested in where the truth of the matter lies, should pay attention to, and perhaps reconsider...

Based on what can now be proven / established, blood was found inside one of the two Sound Moderators (DB/1 - formerly exhibit 'SBJ/1'), and red paint from the scratched aga in the kitchen was present upon a second sound moderator ('DRB/1'), so here is proof that two identical looking sound Moderators (silencers) were used in the shootings!

We now know (with certainty), that if relatives had indeed found and handed over only one sound moderator to the police, that this must have occurred in early September, and not in the previous month (12th August 1885)! As things stand st the moment, police records show that a sound moderator was handed over to police, once on the evening of 12th August 1985,  by Peter Eaton, and that his wife (Ann Eaton) handed over a second Sound Moderator to police on the 11th September 1985...

Now, please..

Where is there any solid evidence that police handed back the first silencer (SBJ/1 -  DB/1) to relatives in order for Ann Eaton to be in a position to hand the very same silencer (back) to the investigating police force (Essex police), on the 11th September 1985?



Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Kaldin on February 17, 2020, 06:45:AM
No, I don't believe this to be true, because his trial and the evidence relied upon in respect of all five of the murders, was that Sheila had not killed herself, and that the only other person who could have shot and killed her was Jeremy Bamber!

It was a mistrial and the verdicts which were reached in any event are based by a reliability upon false, faked, and corrupted evidence!

There can never have been a fair trial when the trial judge in his summing up gave the jury two options! For example, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy! Supported by the allegation that the sound Moderator was fitted on the end of the rifles barrel at the time the fatal second shot was fired into Sheila's neck and that once this occurred, she could not possibly have removed the silencer and taken it all the way downstairs and placed it in a cardboard box hidden at the back of a downstairs cupboard in a room described as the downstairs office, or as the case may be ' the den', and then returned back upstairs to reset her own suicide!

Of course, being faced with the trial judges (Drake) directions in this matter, the jury would have been very strongly influenced by the trial judges comments, and 10 of the 12 jury members bought into the false narrative as spoken to them by Justice Drake, and decided that between either Sheila or Jeremy, that Jeremy must have been responsible for shooting dead his sister!

The jury were never made aware, that in fact two different identical looking sound moderators (Silencers) were in one way or another, part of the police, and scientific evidence! One belonging to the so called Bamber owned semiautomatic anshuzt rifle, and the other belonging to Anthony Pargeters .22 (Brno) bolt action rifle..

But, as we now know, blood was found inside the bàffle plates of one one of these two silencers ('SBJ/1' and. 'DB/1'), whilst red paint from the second Sound moderator ('DRB/1') was found ingrained into the knurled part on the end of that second silencer, which was matched to the red painted kitchen aga surround.  Well I have a number of realistic observations to make that those of you who are genuinely interested in where the truth of the matter lies, should pay attention to, and perhaps reconsider...

Based on what can now be proven / established, blood was found inside one of the two Sound Moderators (DB/1 - formerly exhibit 'SBJ/1'), and red paint from the scratched aga in the kitchen was present upon a second sound moderator ('DRB/1'), so here is proof that two identical looking sound Moderators (silencers) were used in the shootings!

You think he should have been acquitted even though you claim to know that he killed four members of his family?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 08:27:AM
You think he should have been acquitted even though you claim to know that he killed four members of his family?

Yes, on the footing that he did not receive a fair trial, because of the fact that he did not harm or shoot dead his sister, which was the main plank of the prosecutions case against him during the trial. If he didn't harm or shoot dead his sister (bear with me) it cannot be right that the crown got him convicted of all five murders by a reliance upon such 'a mistruth' and undeniably (totally) 'dishonest evidence'...

There does not exist, any evidence that was relied upon during Jeremy Bambers trial that he shot and killed any of the other four victims! 'Albeit by reference to Julie Mugfords account which told of the involvement in the massacre of a hired hitman, who she named as 'Mathew McDonald). I concede that if Jeremy Bamber did hire someone to shoot dead his family, that this of course would be sufficient to legally justify his conviction for the other four murders, but that even in the eventuality that this is correct, any as yet unprosecuted hitman did not kill Sheila Caffell...

He got convicted of killing all five members of his family, because the prosecution relied solely upon 'a false premise that Sheila could not have killed herself with a sound moderator fitted to the end of a rifles barrel', superimposed by comments / directions given to the jury in Mr Justice Drakes summing up speech, where he told the jury, that there was no evidence presented to the court that there was, or had been any third party involvement in these murders, and that the jury had no option but 'to decide the outcome of the trial by choosing between Sheila Caffell or Jeremy Bamber', as the only ones who could have been responsible for the massacre!

We now know that the silencer evidence is at best 'a bogus piece of evidence'. Blood in and upon one of two sound moderators, and red coloured paint in the knurled end of the other one! (Bear with me please), a silencer/ sound moderator handed over to police by Peter Eaton on the evening of 12th August 1985 (with as it turns out blood upon and inside of it) and the second silencer handed over to police by Ann Eaton on the 11th September 1985, which in point of fact, did not even get submitted to the Lab' at Huntingdon, until the 20th September 1985...

This being the case, there now exists clear evidence and proof, that the contaminated second silencer which was found to be the host for the red paint from the scratched kitchen aga ( also bear in mind that the very first photograph which captured evidence of any scratch marks upon the surface of that kitchen aga, were not taken by SOC until the 14th September 1985, a month or so, after the original sets of crime scene photographs showing no evidence of any scratch marks in that location when two independent teams of SOCO photographed that area of the crime scene) - add to this, the existence of a crime scene video which has never been made available to Jeremy Bambers defence team, pre-trial, or since, with no information concerning who took the said footage, and was the specific time this crime scene video was in fact recorded!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 17, 2020, 01:16:PM
You think he should have been acquitted even though you claim to know that he killed four members of his family?

He has lost the plot.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Roch on February 17, 2020, 02:19:PM
He has lost the plot.

Not really. I think he’s referring to a legal / technical approach (as opposed to a moral one).
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 17, 2020, 02:24:PM
Not really. I think he’s referring to a legal / technical approach (as opposed to a moral one).

He is claiming that Jeremy confessed to four of the murders to him back in 1989.

He is also claiming that Sheila was left alive as part of JBs plan but the police shot her hand staged it as suicide.  ::)

Lost the plot is being generous.


Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 17, 2020, 03:08:PM
What I am asking myself at the moment is that if this " new found discovery " of the note saying " I've killed myself ",  allegedly written by Sheila, who killed the others ?? Always supposing it's Sheila's writing.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 17, 2020, 03:12:PM
I have said on many occasions that there must have been something that indicated 4 murders and a suicide that " Taff " Jones was adamant about as you don't just walk into such a scene then walk back out again stating as much just like that.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 17, 2020, 03:14:PM
Has someone been sitting on this information and if so, why ?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 04:01:PM
He has lost the plot.

No, Sir I have not lost the plot - the prison authorities have a recording of all conversations I had with Jeremy in his cell which was next to mine, (on B wing) and on several occasions we talked about his case. His confession is by words from his own mouth. He knew that I wouldn't be able to help him unless he told me the truth about everything. Which is what he eventually complied with...

His confessions to me, are behind the reasons why Essex police are not disclosing all aspects of the evidence to him, and in particular the as yet undisclosed photographs taken at the crime scene by the 1st SOCO team based at Chelmsford HQ, and why although a crime scene video was recorded showing the bodies in different positions before the crime scene was handed over to the 2nd SOCO team based at Witham police station ( Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird) at which stage the crime scene had already been stage managed under authority of senior officers in attendance ('informatives') and under scrutiny of Peter Simpson!

The authorities will not even release the name of the police officer who took the footage whilst the bodies of victims were 'insitu' between 9am and 10am!  What we do know, however, is that none of the 2nd SOCO team could have videoed the crime scene prior to 10am, it was somebody else, and the authorities are being uncooperative in divulging the identity of that Officer. But I can reveal that it was DC Oakey (headquarters SOCO)...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 04:27:PM

The authorities will not even release the name of the police officer who took the footage whilst the bodies of victims were 'insitu' between 9am and 10am!  What we do know, however, is that none of the 2nd SOCO team could have videoed the crime scene prior to 10am, it was somebody else, and the authorities are being uncooperative in divulging the identity of that Officer. But I can reveal that it was DC Oakey (headquarters SOCO)...

1st SOCO team compliment (based at HQ Chelmsford) took crime scene photographs and the crime scene video footage between 9 - 10am,  included to the best of my knowledge and belief of DC Oakey, DS Davison, DC Henderson and DS Eastwood..

They took the original photographs, and seized the original exhibits, and distributed evidence around the crime scene, to make it appear that Sheila had taken her own life once she had shot dead the other four members of her family!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 04:27:PM
Not really. I think he’s referring to a legal / technical approach (as opposed to a moral one).

Bingo!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Steve_uk on February 17, 2020, 05:11:PM
Mike if the relatives colluded as you assert I find it hard to believe that both Ann Eaton and Peter Eaton handed in separate silencers on separate dates. I mean, they are husband and wife..
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 05:51:PM
Mike if the relatives colluded as you assert I find it hard to believe that both Ann Eaton and Peter Eaton handed in separate silencers on separate dates. I mean, they are husband and wife..

The evidence is absolutely clear, in the Major incident Property Registers, exist two independent entries, numbered exhibit 342 and 675 a sound moderator, and a silencer!

In all honesty, ask yourself why would Essex police record twice in the Major incident register, the same silencer at entry 342 and 675?

Moreover, I contacted Essex police by email about the existence of two sound moderators (silencers) and the response I got was that at the time of Jeremy's trial (commencing, 2nd October, 1986), both the prosecution and defence counsel knew that there existed two silencers, but that this information was not permitted for release or for public disclosure (I have confirmation of these facts, from Kim Perks, who after consulting with (Essex) her force solicitor, reported back to me, that such information was / is not for release to the general public!!

Guess what?

Doesn't that confirm that there wasn't only one sound moderator (silencer) at the heart of this case?

I have the greatest respect for what Kim Perks revealed to me, regarding this matter, and do you not agree, that in whatever Circumstance's, two separate sound moderators ( silencers) somehow, in one way or another, ended up in the possession of Essex police, and which both were examined at the lab' on different occasions?

Moreover, that the results of the examination of each of these sound moderators, were subsequently (and dishonestly) merged together and presented by the time of Jeremy's trial, as though the results from both examinations related to a singular Sound moderator ( not two identical looking Parker Hale silencers)!!!


Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Roch on February 17, 2020, 06:16:PM
The evidence is absolutely clear, in the Major incident Property Registers, exist two independent entries, numbered exhibit 342 and 675 a sound moderator, and a silencer!

In all honesty, ask yourself why would Essex police record twice in the Major incident register, the same silencer at entry 342 and 675?

Moreover, I contacted Essex police by email about the existence of two sound moderators (silencers) and the response I got was that at the time of Jeremy's trial (commencing, 2nd October, 1986), both the prosecution and defence counsel knew that there existed two silencers, but that this information was not permitted for release or for public disclosure (I have confirmation of these facts, from Kim Perks, who after consulting with (Essex) her force solicitor, reported back to me, that such information was / is not for release to the general public!!

Guess what?

Doesn't that confirm that there wasn't only one sound moderator (silencer) at the heart of this case?

I have the greatest respect for what Kim Perks revealed to me, regarding this matter, and do you not agree, that in whatever Circumstance's, two separate sound moderators ( silencers) somehow, in one way or another, ended up in the possession of Essex police, and which both were examined at the lab' on different occasions?

Moreover, that the results of the examination of each of these sound moderators, were subsequently (and dishonestly) merged together and presented by the time of Jeremy's trial, as though the results from both examinations related to a singular Sound moderator ( not two identical looking Parker Hale silencers)!!!

Has Kim Perks' email not formed part of any defence submission? It seems highly pertinent to the current judicial review. 
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2020, 06:34:PM
Has Kim Perks' email not formed part of any defence submission? It seems highly pertinent to the current judicial review.

No, Roch...

But I agree, the reply that I got from Kim Perks is pertinent to the silencer issue - Essex police admitting to the existence of at least two different sound moderators at the heart of their investigations, information that's known about at the time of Jeremy Bambers trial by both the prosecution and the defence advocates - can't understand why the jury were not permitted to know about this remarkable piece of evidence (since, the jury were selected from members of the public, who Essex police make it clear that such information was not for disclosure publicly)

Great, finally understanding what really goes on behind the scenes!

I guess then, that I might be a witness (along with Kim Perks and the force solicitor of the era)?

If so, though, I will have to declare that Jeremy confided in me, that he was involved in the killing of the other four victims, which will in turn result in the Home Office having to produce the tape records of Jeremy's confession together with the photograph they seized showing Sheila on top of her parents bed sporting only one bullet entry wound to her neck, and the accompanying letter I sent along with it to Jeremy, which as I have confirmed was subsequently confiscated by prison authorities. Additionally, I do know that at the time this happened, that all telephone calls made by inmates to a member of the public were listened in on, and automatically recorded at HMP Full Sutton by prison security!

It's going to be interesting, should all this evidence go before the court of appeal...

If so, the appeal should be dealt with by the current Lord Chief Justice, because any lesser ranked appellant judge, could dismiss the significance of this, and any other relevant fresh evidence!
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 17, 2020, 08:06:PM
No, Sir I have not lost the plot - the prison authorities have a recording of all conversations I had with Jeremy in his cell which was next to mine, (on B wing) and on several occasions we talked about his case. His confession is by words from his own mouth. He knew that I wouldn't be able to help him unless he told me the truth about everything. Which is what he eventually complied with...

His confessions to me, are behind the reasons why Essex police are not disclosing all aspects of the evidence to him, and in particular the as yet undisclosed photographs taken at the crime scene by the 1st SOCO team based at Chelmsford HQ, and why although a crime scene video was recorded showing the bodies in different positions before the crime scene was handed over to the 2nd SOCO team based at Witham police station ( Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird) at which stage the crime scene had already been stage managed under authority of senior officers in attendance ('informatives') and under scrutiny of Peter Simpson!

The authorities will not even release the name of the police officer who took the footage whilst the bodies of victims were 'insitu' between 9am and 10am!  What we do know, however, is that none of the 2nd SOCO team could have videoed the crime scene prior to 10am, it was somebody else, and the authorities are being uncooperative in divulging the identity of that Officer. But I can reveal that it was DC Oakey (headquarters SOCO)...


 ::)


I was in a cell next door to Jeremy on B wing, at HMP Full sutton, between 1989 and 1990. All cells are for single use only. I did spend 1989 Christmas day dinner period, banged up in Jeremys cell with him  for about three hours, but other than that I have never shared a cell with him on any other occasion. Yes, we became friends.Yes, after speaking with Jeremy and being given access to some of his case papers, I became convinced that he had not killed anyone. After my temporary release from custody in July 1990 until June 1991, I became more and more intrigued by the lack of evidence in his case, coming to the conclusion that he git convicted on circumstantial evidence, and speculation, there was nothing concrete to prove that he was the killer...
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Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Kaldin on February 17, 2020, 08:43:PM
To be honest, if Jeremy killed four members of his family, I don't think that wanting him released on a technicality is something I approve of.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Kaldin on February 17, 2020, 08:47:PM
Also, I can't be doing with all this story-changing and changes of mind.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 17, 2020, 09:03:PM
Also, I can't be doing with all this story-changing and changes of mind.

I think most people stopped paying attention to Mike years ago.  :-\
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Jan on February 17, 2020, 10:32:PM
I think most people stopped paying attention to Mike years ago.  :-\

Some of his posts are obviously lies as they are completely contradictory.

Perhaps soon he will explain why because everytime we ask we get ignored.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2020, 10:10:PM
I think most people stopped paying attention to Mike years ago.  :-\

Ask yourself, how would you go about getting people interested in discussing aspects of this particular case, if you were at the heart of the forum which is now controlled and run by other dedicated individuals  (NGB and our Moderators)?

Can it ever be justified for anyone in authority, or any witness, to lie publicly?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2020, 10:14:PM
Ask yourself, how would you go about getting people interested in discussing aspects of this particular case, if you were at the heart of the forum which is now controlled and run by other dedicated individuals  (NGB and our Moderators)?

Can it ever be justified for anyone in authority, or any witness, to lie publicly?

Yes, or no..
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2020, 10:24:PM
I have not lied at any time, I have simply relied upon an interpretation of this, or that evidence, in the very same way that the prosecution at trial, are capable of doing exactly the same!

What I want to know, is why the police / CPS did not provide the full case file documents and photographic evidence to the trial judge (Mr Justice Drake) at the time of Jeremy Bambers trial? If it had been, I have no doubt that the trial judge would have directed the jury to acquit Jeremy of any involvement in the murders of all five of the victims!

Ask yourselves -
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2020, 10:26:PM

 ::)

Beliefs may change with the knowledge that you now/then know something that you was not aware of before...
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Roch on February 19, 2020, 07:27:AM
Beliefs may change with the knowledge that you now/then know something that you was not aware of before...

So what's the key thing that's changed Mike? It can't be his alleged confession, as you knew that before.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Bill Robertson on February 19, 2020, 09:50:AM
Ralph Neville had fled South Africa in the wake of the white South African farm families massacres ( many of which were carried out and executed in similar fashion similar to what happened at whf). Just like he fled the UK after the whf slaughter, he had previously left South Africa after 'the slaughterings of white South African farmers and their families'! At the time of the 'slaughter of three generations of the Bamber family' at whf, Ralph Neville was wanted by South African Police for questioning about his possible involvement in the white South African farm slaughters. He was a registered firearms dealer, and firearm marksmen ... But Ralph Neville was the supposed mercenary / hitman that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about soon after the tragedy! He had misleadingly told  his then girlfriend Julie that the name of the mercenary who shot and killed everyone was 'Mathew MacDonald', who had a local reputation for having been a mercenary in years gone by. But this was a deception on Jeremy's part to reflect attention from the role played out in the shootings...

Quite a coincidence then that Ralph Nevill was the only son of Beatrice and Herbert Bamber who lived at Clifton House, Guildford and had three children, Cecily Diana, Phyllis Audrey and their youngest, Ralph Nevill, their only son born in June 1924.  Ralph Nevill was Nevill Bamber's grandfather and was dead at the time of the tragedy.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Steve_uk on February 19, 2020, 12:10:PM
Quite a coincidence then that Ralph Nevill was the only son of Beatrice and Herbert Bamber who lived at Clifton House, Guildford and had three children, Cecily Diana, Phyllis Audrey and their youngest, Ralph Nevill, their only son born in June 1924.  Ralph Nevill was Nevill Bamber's grandfather and was dead at the time of the tragedy.
No Ralph Nevill was the Nevill who married June Speakman and was killed along with Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Bill Robertson on February 19, 2020, 02:51:PM
No Ralph Nevill was the Nevill who married June Speakman and was killed along with Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel.
But I thought he was a South African hit man who went off to buy drugs after he murdered 4 members of the family. Now I'm confused.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Bill Robertson on February 19, 2020, 03:14:PM
No Ralph Nevill was the Nevill who married June Speakman and was killed along with Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel.
So a different geezer from this one described by Mikey?
"Ralph Neville was ’the scruffy looking hunched up man, seen walking away from the farmhouse' at about 4.50am mentioned in a newspaper Report about the shooting incidents. He returned to Osea Road Camp Site in one of the farm tractors he had left parked up in a nearby field (after the shootings). He returned to whf the later that same morning at around 8.00 am  in the farm tractor on the pretense that he was turning up for work, only for him to be met by police at the junction where Pages Lane meets the Tollsbury Road. Soon afterwards, and having parked up the tractor in a nearby field Ralph Neville hitchhiked to the nearest port intent on fleeing the country"

No wonder Stan Jones was confused with so many Ralph Neville's around.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 19, 2020, 03:42:PM
Why hasn't JB ever kicked off about the sighting of the scruffy individual who'd presumably been staying at WHF ?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 19, 2020, 04:19:PM
Why hasn't JB ever kicked off about the sighting of the scruffy individual who'd presumably been staying at WHF ?

The scruffy guy was a tramp living in a tent.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 19, 2020, 05:06:PM
The scruffy guy was a tramp living in a tent.





He must have been deaf as well.




Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: David1819 on February 19, 2020, 06:11:PM




He must have been deaf as well.

Why?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 19, 2020, 07:14:PM
Why?





Well if he came from the direction of WHF he couldn't have heard anything going on---screams/ gun-shots/ dogs barking.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Reader on February 20, 2020, 12:04:AM
So a different geezer . . .
Ralph Neville has a trailing "e", whereas "Ralph Nevill Bamber, known as Nevill, doesn't.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Caroline on February 20, 2020, 12:14:AM
The guy who stayed at WHF in a caravan was Christopher Nevill a relative from NZ. However, he only stayed there post murders with Peter Eaton to watch over WHF until the alarm was fitted.

Source AE statement;

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6247.0;attach=39311;image)

The guy who was staying at Osea Road Caravan Park was a farm hand called Alan Russell Fraser-Bell (not to be confused with Fraser Bell). He made a statement so we no for definite it was him.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1935.msg60051.html#msg60051
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Steve_uk on February 20, 2020, 09:24:AM
Chris Nevill had also visited White House Farm at Christmas 1982, when Sheila had stayed with the twins (CAL Chapter 10).
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: Roch on February 20, 2020, 09:45:AM
The guy who stayed at WHF in a caravan was Christopher Nevill a relative from NZ. However, he only stayed there post murders with Peter Eaton to watch over WHF until the alarm was fitted.

Source AE statement;

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6247.0;attach=39311;image)

The guy who was staying at Osea Road Caravan Park was a farm hand called Alan Russell Fraser-Bell (not to be confused with Fraser Bell). He made a statement so we no for definite it was him.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1935.msg60051.html#msg60051

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6247.msg278987.html#msg278987
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 20, 2020, 12:02:PM
Nevill was working late that night as the Dickenson report points out that he took the last trailer at 10.30pm and had continued working in the fields.
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: lookout on February 20, 2020, 12:51:PM
Who had known the above to have stated it in a witness statement ?
Title: Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
Post by: mike tesko on February 21, 2020, 10:39:PM
The scruffy guy was a tramp living in a tent.

The cops concluded that the discovered den in question was or had been built and abandoned by local children!