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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Caroline on November 23, 2019, 07:36:PM

Title: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Caroline on November 23, 2019, 07:36:PM
No!

There you go ILB - here's your own thread to keep asking that question and ignoring all replies you don't like!
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 23, 2019, 07:51:PM
No. Either Jeremy didn't get the right angle the first time, or Sheila didn't get the right angle the first time.

It is strange though that Sheila would just let Jeremy put a gun to her throat.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Caroline on November 23, 2019, 07:53:PM
No. Either Jeremy didn't get the right angle the first time, or Sheila didn't get the right angle the first time.

It is strange though that Sheila would just let Jeremy put a gun to her throat.

I agree (in bold).
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 23, 2019, 07:58:PM
What could have happened is this. According to Vanezis, Sheila was partially sitting up - at least for the first shot. She could have been sitting on the floor trying to back away from Jeremy, using her hands to support herself. He put the gun against her throat and she reacted by trying to grab it. Hence the gun slipped and the shot was fired in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: lookout on November 23, 2019, 08:07:PM
What could have happened is this. According to Vanezis, Sheila was partially sitting up - at least for the first shot. She could have been sitting on the floor trying to back away from Jeremy, using her hands to support herself. He put the gun against her throat and she reacted by trying to grab it. Hence the gun slipped and the shot was fired in the wrong place.





Oh yes, I'm sure Sheila would have allowed a gun to have been pointed at her. What did Colin have to do to get pots and pans thrown at him ?
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 23, 2019, 08:09:PM




Oh yes, I'm sure Sheila would have allowed a gun to have been pointed at her. What did Colin have to do to get pots and pans thrown at him ?

She wouldn't have much choice if she was on the floor and her hands were supporting her. How would she have stopped him?
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 23, 2019, 08:10:PM
Caroline is just been a clever fucker. People are quick to attribute the fact Shelia couldn't overpower nevill so how can Shelia stop Jeremy???

She didn't stop him (assuming he did it of course).
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 23, 2019, 08:11:PM
She didn't stop him (assuming he did it of course).
if Bamber is guilty he went to whf To do a one shot suicide
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 23, 2019, 08:13:PM
The whole scenario bugs me though. The plan was to kill the four people and then shoot Sheila through her mouth to make it look like murder and suicide. That could so easily have gone wrong. If Sheila had fought with Jeremy, or if she turned her back, or if she wouldn't let him put the gun against her throat, he couldn't have done anything. I guess he could have planned to sit on her or something, but it would be difficult to control her and position the gun at the same time.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 23, 2019, 08:15:PM
She couldn't answer me on mugford.she can't match me on other arguments attributed to the case.just a typical girl who doesn't get much luck with boys
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 23, 2019, 08:16:PM
If Bamber is guilty. Nothing stopped him from killing Shelia point blank with one shot.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 23, 2019, 08:21:PM
If Bamber is guilty. Nothing stopped him from killing Shelia point blank with one shot.

Well there was the fact that Sheila was conscious and not drugged. I don't suppose she just lifted up her chin and let him do it. After all, she'd seen what happened to her mother.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 23, 2019, 08:26:PM
Well there was the fact that Sheila was conscious and not drugged. I don't suppose she just lifted up her chin and let him do it. After all, she'd seen what happened to her mother.
Jeremy would easily be able to overpower her
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 23, 2019, 08:33:PM
Jeremy would easily be able to overpower her

Not really because he had to handle the gun as well, and he had to get the right position.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Adam on November 24, 2019, 10:02:AM
Sheila over power Jeremy? There was not a mark on him. Or her.

He was twice as big & strong as her, not under sedation, fully dressed, awake, holding a rifle & motivated.

Not surprised his first shot was accurrate enough to cause death.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Steve_uk on November 24, 2019, 07:35:PM
No. Either Jeremy didn't get the right angle the first time, or Sheila didn't get the right angle the first time.

It is strange though that Sheila would just let Jeremy put a gun to her throat.
You just can't picture the state Sheila was in those last few months.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Steve_uk on November 24, 2019, 07:36:PM




Oh yes, I'm sure Sheila would have allowed a gun to have been pointed at her. What did Colin have to do to get pots and pans thrown at him ?
She wasn't on medication then. I don't know what part of Sheila's personality came to the fore: she was frustrated with lack of achievement in her life and Colin was an available scapegoat maybe.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Steve_uk on November 24, 2019, 07:37:PM
She couldn't answer me on mugford.she can't match me on other arguments attributed to the case.just a typical girl who doesn't get much luck with boys
What did you ask about Julie? We all get frustrated at times but try not to become personal.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Jane on November 24, 2019, 08:15:PM




Oh yes, I'm sure Sheila would have allowed a gun to have been pointed at her. What did Colin have to do to get pots and pans thrown at him ?


He probably wound her up -it MAY not have been deliberate, on the other hand, if we assume him, by this time, to have wanted out of the marriage..............................? Spouses often know best what winds us up -theirs had probably become a war of attrition- it may have been that simply ignoring her was the best way of winding her up. It's HIGHLY unlikely that the hurled "pots and pans" were meant to injure him. HAD they been, she could just as easily have bashed him over the head. It would certainly have carried more weight and the meaning would have been perfectly clear.

Regarding your belief that Colin was a battered husband. What better time to offload such a terrible and humiliating secret than when he found out that the perpetrator had also murdered his children?
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 24, 2019, 10:51:PM
So know I'm back after been banned temporarily for having a difference in opinion, how did Jeremy mess up being able to effect a one shot suicide???
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 24, 2019, 10:55:PM
Jeremy didn't have a mark on him ( nothing noted by myall and bews) no scratches or facial bruising. Bamber was a six foot strapping lad armed with a rifle. So if he couldn't kill her with one shot we have to come to the conclusion that the elfin Shelia put up a fierce resistance
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 24, 2019, 10:58:PM
Look at it logically. Shelia caffell awakes to see her brother pointing a rifle to her. If we are to believe the prosecution Bamber is hell bent on getting his inheritance. Shelia either does one of two things a) wilts like a violet or b) fights him
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 24, 2019, 11:01:PM
Incidentally if she is up and awake during while Jeremy is killing other members. It adds weight to her awareness of what Jeremy is doing ( he hasn't caught her unsurprised) if this is the case she would be running around like a headless chicken in fear and distress or if she was feeling bold, she'd be attempting to attack Bamber
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: Kaldin on November 25, 2019, 07:34:PM
It's not clear what Sheila was doing whilst it was all going on. Her bed looks like she was in it at some stage, and yet the bedclothes are pulled up - they don't look like she just got out of bed and left them.

I doubt that Jeremy would make her go into the main bedroom, I think that she went in there herself - obviously after June had been shot. Jeremy was presumably elsewhere at the time - possibly downstairs with Nevill.
Title: Re: Did Sheila Manage To Overpower Jeremy Causing Two Shots to Her Throat
Post by: ilovebooze on November 29, 2019, 08:26:PM
Shelia caffell would have been even terrified and complaint or put up a vicious fight