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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Luke Mitchell and the murder of Jodi Jones => Topic started by: WakeyWakey on October 19, 2019, 05:07:PM

Title: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on October 19, 2019, 05:07:PM
Here wednesday gone saturday

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/gofundme-removes-ps10000-appeal-bid-clear-jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-816885?fbclid=IwAR08H-4uffHMlVR9yla9Vi8wCfhBwmuFPLX7un67vZ5R-1vaDDxL6fxNw_0



sandra:
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GoFundMe have taken down the Luke Mitchell fundraiser - I'm still awaiting an explanation from them. I'll update as soon as I can.

terms of service seem prety clear on this

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Notwithstanding the foregoing, you agree:

not to use the Services to raise funds or establish or contribute to any Campaign with the implicit or explicit purpose of or involving:

...

9. Content that we deem, at our sole discretion, to be in the legal defence of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism, or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity, serious disabilities or diseases, or financial crimes or crimes of deception;
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 05:20:PM
“Your money will provide the time needed to create a solid foundation for a complete review of the case and the possibility of finally obtaining true justice, for Luke and for Jodi."

In other words. Sandra needs help with the house bills.  ;D
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 19, 2019, 05:43:PM
The fundraiser was not to fund a "legal defence" - Luke's been incarcerated for almost 16 years. It was to fund a case review, something for which there is no legal aid.

As for needing help with the house bills, the film that was put up with the fundraiser made it perfectly clear - I have to work full-time like everybody else, but we need this work done urgently. What I was asking was that people pay for hours that I could "swap out" from my contracted hours (at a 25% reduction in my pay rate) so that I could work more hours on the case.

So you tell me, David1819, how does a 25% pay cut help with the bills?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Steve_uk on October 19, 2019, 05:53:PM
“Your money will provide the time needed to create a solid foundation for a complete review of the case and the possibility of finally obtaining true justice, for Luke and for Jodi."

In other words. Sandra needs help with the house bills.  ;D
David that remark is beneath you.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 05:57:PM


So you tell me, David1819, how does a 25% pay cut help with the bills?

Getting £10,000 helps. Who would be doing this "case review" other than yourself?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on October 19, 2019, 06:08:PM
The fundraiser was not to fund a "legal defence" - Luke's been incarcerated for almost 16 years. It was to fund a case review, something for which there is no legal aid.


private company with the scope of gofundme has to paint quiite broad strokes with their terms - not unreasonable that, if they dont want funds to be broadly raised towards legal defences, they could deem at their discretion that funding case reviews for incarcerated prisoners is in the same ballpark

they are a private company with an image to consider after all. maybe they just dont want their platform used for getting anything associated with violent convicts?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 06:13:PM
David that remark is beneath you.

davids losingthe argument so hes reverting his normal bully tactics.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 19, 2019, 06:17:PM
Fair enough, Wakey-wakey, but you'd think they'd at least have told us that, instead of giving us no clue other than a "violation" of one of a large list of T&Cs?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 19, 2019, 06:18:PM
davids losingthe argument so hes reverting his normal bully tactics.

Also, David can't count - he thinks getting £10,000 is better than getting almost £13,500. Poor David.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 06:26:PM
somone must of complained I think it shows how desperate some people are that a review isn't done.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 06:30:PM
Also, David can't count - he thinks getting £10,000 is better than getting almost £13,500. Poor David.

So the money you have asked for is roughly the same as your proposed pay cut after income tax and expenses.

Think you shot yourself in the foot there.  :-\
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 19, 2019, 06:44:PM
Oh, dear, wrong again, David, but not a bad try.

It works like this:

I'd have to pay tax/NI on any income from any source so, financially, it makes more sense for me to just carry on working at my normal job and my normal rate. I don't have to pay for ink, postage, paper, external drives, travel or any of the other costs associated with the case review because I wouldn't have the time to do it. So then, I'd just keep the money I earn for myself and, if I've got some time after work or at the "weekend" (my working week is Saturday to Wednesday), I can so some bits and pieces on the case, but it would miss a significant deadline and a potentially good chance of moving the case forward.

OR

I can work half my normal hours at my normal rate and the other half at the reduced rate. All of the money would still be taxable, but now I'm also offering to cover ink, postage, paper, external drives, travel, etc, etc out of my own pocket on a reduced income.

Why would I do that? Because I think this is one of the most important developments in Luke's case and if I don't do it, he might miss out on the chance of moving the case forward significantly. Why does that matter enough to me to reduce my own income for that period? Because I care, passionately, about justice.

It's not something I expect you to understand, but my explanation's here for all to see.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 06:46:PM
So the money you have asked for is roughly the same as your proposed pay cut after income tax and expenses.

Think you shot yourself in the foot there.  :-\

defeated in argument so resorts to trying to smear his opponent

pathetic.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 08:10:PM
Why would I do that? Because I think this is one of the most important developments in Luke's case and if I don't do it, he might miss out on the chance of moving the case forward significantly. Why does that matter enough to me to reduce my own income for that period? Because I care, passionately, about justice.

It's not something I expect you to understand, but my explanation's here for all to see.

I would understand if you were advocating for a genuine MOJ case.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 08:30:PM
Sandra have you ever spoken to Shane Mitchell?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 08:34:PM
I would understand if you were advocating for a genuine MOJ case.

you have a real problem withwomen dont you.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 08:48:PM
you have a real problem withwomen dont you.

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Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 08:49:PM
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oh dear have i hit a nerve.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 08:51:PM
oh dear have i hit a nerve.

No just confused by that random comment
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 09:31:PM
I would understand if you were advocating for a genuine MOJ case.

and you are single judge of what is and isint a moj are you.

Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 19, 2019, 10:19:PM
Sandra have you ever spoken to Shane Mitchell?

Yes
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on October 19, 2019, 10:28:PM
Yes

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Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 10:29:PM
Yes

Why do we never hear him advocating for Luke?

If Luke is innocent then Shane would know as he should be Luke's alibi.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 10:38:PM
and you are single judge of what is and isint a moj are you.

If the evidence shows someone is guilty I am not going to be dishonest with those who support that person.

Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 10:41:PM
If the evidence shows someone is guilty I am not going to be dishonest with those who support that person.

not gokng to be dishonest is that why you made up a load of crap about a forensic breakthrough.

and then evaded all qustins about it.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9933.0.html
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 10:45:PM
not gokng to be dishonest is that why you made up a load of crap about a forensic breakthrough.

and then evaded all ustins about it.

I never made up anything and I had the patience to answer your obtuse questions.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2019, 10:49:PM
I never made up anything and I had the patience to answer your obtuse questions.

so you never been cougt making up qautes on here.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 19, 2019, 10:54:PM
so you never been cougt making up qautes on here.

Ask NGB if I made up the forensic breakthrough.

I've never knowingly made up a quote. If I've misquoted something then its an honest mistake.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Lithium on October 21, 2019, 01:04:PM
Lean's asking for money now? Couldn't paint a red neck on her. ;D
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Lithium on October 21, 2019, 01:05:PM
The fundraiser was not to fund a "legal defence" - Luke's been incarcerated for almost 16 years. It was to fund a case review, something for which there is no legal aid.

As for needing help with the house bills, the film that was put up with the fundraiser made it perfectly clear - I have to work full-time like everybody else, but we need this work done urgently. What I was asking was that people pay for hours that I could "swap out" from my contracted hours (at a 25% reduction in my pay rate) so that I could work more hours on the case.

So you tell me, David1819, how does a 25% pay cut help with the bills?


I'm embarrassed for you.

You managed to find the time to write not one but 2 biased (and since discredited) books. And post on forums about the case from multiple fake accounts for over a decade.

Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Lithium on October 21, 2019, 01:05:PM
Rest in peace Jodi Jones.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on October 21, 2019, 01:09:PM

I'm embarrassed for you.

You managed to find the time to write not one but 2 biased (and since discredited) books. And post on forums about the case from multiple fake accounts for over a decade.

And write a 200 page report for the SCCRC.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 21, 2019, 01:18:PM
Rest in peace Jodi Jones.

pretending you care about here is not really convincing anymore if it ever was.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on October 21, 2019, 01:22:PM
to add to this topic - crowdfund was also attempted on JustGiving and has also disapear from there now

i dont imagine crowdfund sites like this kind of stuff?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 21, 2019, 01:30:PM
to add to this topic - crowdfund was also attempted on JustGiving and has also disapear from there now

i dont imagine crowdfund sites like this kind of stuff?

why are so desperate that the funding stop.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on October 21, 2019, 01:46:PM
why are so desperate that the funding stop.

just adding info, personally would have like to see it proceed, but I dont think target would be met or the individuals involved would be able to handleb th scrutiny
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on October 21, 2019, 04:17:PM
just adding info, personally would have like to see it proceed, but I dont think target would be met or the individuals involved would be able to handleb th scrutiny

well  they dont take them down unless somonone complians so sobodys pretty desptaye to stop the campaghn.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 21, 2019, 06:29:PM
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I'm embarrassed for you.

You managed to find the time to write not one but 2 biased (and since discredited) books. And post on forums about the case from multiple fake accounts for over a decade.

The first book took 4 years to research and write, the second took another 11 on top. Which bit of "urgent" did you not understand? It's the whole point I was trying to make - if the work has to wait until I have spare time (like it has done until now), we won't be able to get it done in time.

I can't afford to just give up my job, or only work half hours at it, in order to get the casework done in the time-frame needed.

As for "multiple fake accounts for over a decade" - not true. Pure and simple. I used a fake name in the early days for my own safety. I used Angeline on the McKie site when I could no longer get in under my own name and told people, in the very first post, it was me. I haven't posted under anything but my own name (or recognisable variations of it, like on this forum- here, I'm Sandra L), for years
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 21, 2019, 06:35:PM
just adding info, personally would have like to see it proceed, but I dont think target would be met or the individuals involved would be able to handleb th scrutiny

Not sure what you mean by this, wakey-wakey. I've no idea if the target would be met - that's the whole thing with fundraisers - you don't!!

But "the individuals involved would be able to handle the scrutiny?" Which individuals and what scrutiny?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on October 21, 2019, 08:59:PM
Not sure what you mean by this, wakey-wakey. I've no idea if the target would be met - that's the whole thing with fundraisers - you don't!!

But "the individuals involved would be able to handle the scrutiny?" Which individuals and what scrutiny?

i dont mean anything by the first part other than i have doubts that public would cough up to the extent asked

as for the second part, crowdfundin comes with natural qquestions and acountability about where money is goin. especially when framed as fundraising to take time off work to focus on the task at hand. the individuals in question would be yourself & corinne.  would you be preparedd to be as transparent as the donors (as well as naysayers) would demand of you about personal life and expenditures?

i could be wrong but ihave doubt

Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 21, 2019, 09:28:PM
Absolutely. I already said in the fundraiser video I'd film every hour I spent working on the case that was being paid for by the fundraiser.

I have an independent accountant willing to produce full financial records. My "personal life and expenditures" don't come into it - every penny raised by the campaign will be accounted for in full and accurate, independent records, backed up with filmed footage of the actual work being done.

Why would Corinne be under any scrutiny? The fundraiser is not raising funds for her.

The reason I'm choosing to retain some hours from my contracted work is so that I can cover at least the most basic expenses - rent, internet connection, for example, regardless of what the fundraiser brings in.

 
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on October 22, 2019, 01:24:PM

Why would Corinne be under any scrutiny? The fundraiser is not raising funds for her.
 

reasonable to question of why corinne, his father, his brother cant contribute to these costs themselves

cant or wont

hey, its the world we live in, but theres no real accountability whatsoever for a crowdfund, regardles of any attempt to demonstrate some. as such their notorios for just funding lifestyles

not sayin thats what would happen here, just that serious skepticism should be expected



Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on October 22, 2019, 03:46:PM
I'm presuming, Wakey-Wakey, that you have no intention of contributing to the fundraiser, so what difference does it make to you?

I've done what I can to reassure those who want to help - it's up to them to decide whether that's good enough for them - if it's not, they won't donate. It is as simple as that.

No-one - not a single person - is under any obligation whatsoever to donate to any fundraiser - people do so for their own reasons on the basis of information available to them. Since you are not someone with any intention of contributing in any way, I owe you no further explanation/information - I've already answered all your questions about accountability and transparency anyway.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Parky41 on October 22, 2019, 04:21:PM
It does seem rather odd - that this figure of 10k can't be simply met by the family.
The urgency in securing this review - a review that could finally release Luke, prove innocence.
Why, IF so urgent and needed NOW - are these funds to pay for Ms Leans time not forthcoming?
The public is certainly being led to believe, that there is some urgent time limit - this can not wait.
Not simply because of further time in prison - but evidence and of sudden more interest in this case.
Is there perhaps a test here?
The test of quantity - to see who really does support this innocence, of how many and their sincerity.
If sincere enough - then they will gladly cough up £12 for an hour of Ms Leans time.
It surely, can't just be due to the importance of time, of evidence that could be lost.
The family would meet this, one would think, in an instance?
What part of this appeal for 10k is true in it's urgency, of evidence lost.
What evidence is there, that has a sell by date?
The testing of a knife in a 'lost and found' department - waiting on an owner collecting?
Or being destroyed if no owner comes forth.
Do we tie in this confession? Yes, you read that correctly, a confession.
A confession the police took no notice of.
A confession any legal team, take no notice of.
A confession the SCCRC took no notice of.
What actually, is relevant about this confession, at all?
That no-one can do anything with - is it of truth in this murder,
or some ravings of someone with a disturbed mind.
Simply - why was it not taken seriously at the time.
There are surely reasons - other than ignorance/interest as Luke was/is firmly behind bars.

It's not quite as simple as asking for donations, if interested give, if not then so be it.
There is the further interest as to why there is urgency - to do with the case itself.
There is further interest as to why Luke's family can not raise this urgent 10k.
Does this tell us - that there is, no real urgency, at all?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Steve_uk on October 22, 2019, 04:40:PM
Not everyone has £10k in the bank you know. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37504449
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Davie2 on November 20, 2019, 06:03:PM
These charity pages, can see right though the BS too lol, embarrassing.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2019, 08:23:PM
why are certan people so desprate that it not get th funding wellithinki know why.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Davie2 on November 27, 2019, 10:24:PM
why are certan people so desprate that it not get th funding wellithinki know why.

What?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on November 28, 2019, 07:52:AM
"Why are certain people so desperate that it doesn't get the funding? Well, I think I know why".

All these people screeching about the fundraiser have zero intention of donating, so why are they bothered about it at all? For those who wanted to help (and there are many), an accountancy and accountability process was in place so that the use of all money raised was completely transparent.

There is no taxpayer's money involved whatsoever. There's rarely taxpayer's money available for full reviews of cases which means, without money, there is no process by which cases can be independently reviewed and potential new evidence checked out. That was supposed to be what the S/CCRC was set up to do but it has clearly failed in so many cases.

If the reason people don't want the fundraiser to go ahead is that they don't want the case reviewed fully, then my question is simply why? It's not costing them anything and, if they're convinced the evidence proves conclusively that Luke is the murderer, then an independent review would (if they're right) reinforce their certainty. But if it doesn't? Is that the real reason they don't want it to happen?

In that case, I have some bad news for them. The review will go ahead, one way or another. Without the funding, it will take longer, but it will still happen. To be absolutely clear, I won't be conducting the review - that will be down to a team of experts, all highly regarded in their fields.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: nugnug on November 28, 2019, 04:31:PM
certan people seem desprate that areveiw doesnt happen now why would that be.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on November 28, 2019, 04:57:PM
Seems like this is nothing unusual.


"GoFundMe page seeking ‘justice’ for confessed killer gets removed"

https://nypost.com/2018/07/25/gofundme-page-seeking-justice-for-confessed-murderer-removed/ (https://nypost.com/2018/07/25/gofundme-page-seeking-justice-for-confessed-murderer-removed/)

"GoFundMe Page Started By Florida Mom Accused Of Killing Baby Deleted & Refunds Issued"

https://www.babygaga.com/gofundme-started-by-florida-mom-accused-of-murder-deleted/ (https://www.babygaga.com/gofundme-started-by-florida-mom-accused-of-murder-deleted/)
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Davie2 on November 28, 2019, 06:00:PM
"Why are certain people so desperate that it doesn't get the funding? Well, I think I know why".

All these people screeching about the fundraiser have zero intention of donating, so why are they bothered about it at all? For those who wanted to help (and there are many), an accountancy and accountability process was in place so that the use of all money raised was completely transparent.

There is no taxpayer's money involved whatsoever. There's rarely taxpayer's money available for full reviews of cases which means, without money, there is no process by which cases can be independently reviewed and potential new evidence checked out. That was supposed to be what the S/CCRC was set up to do but it has clearly failed in so many cases.

If the reason people don't want the fundraiser to go ahead is that they don't want the case reviewed fully, then my question is simply why? It's not costing them anything and, if they're convinced the evidence proves conclusively that Luke is the murderer, then an independent review would (if they're right) reinforce their certainty. But if it doesn't? Is that the real reason they don't want it to happen?

In that case, I have some bad news for them. The review will go ahead, one way or another. Without the funding, it will take longer, but it will still happen. To be absolutely clear, I won't be conducting the review - that will be down to a team of experts, all highly regarded in their fields.

You know why? I just find it hilarious that you could not be bothered to read the T&C of these platforms. It gave us a good laugh. It got you some attention in the papers, well done. Why don't you try Patreon?

How many reviews do you want? You have had over a decade, to try get something to fit. Sensationalism does not work.

Teams of experts? Highly regarded in their fields, working for free? Or just more false promises?

But yea, I'm personally looking forward to this independent review, will it take as long as the second part of the Frontline doc upload? Or the new website? Probably be waiting years no doubt, i will get bored by then.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: WakeyWakey on November 28, 2019, 08:10:PM
If the reason people don't want the fundraiser to go ahead is that they don't want the case reviewed fully, then my question is simply why?

as unbeleivable as you may find it , a process which has a chance, altho extreme remote, of seeing a violent killer freed on some technicality is generaly going to be opposed from the outset

why stop there? why not review every guilty conviction in all of history? theres always been some mug who doesnt beleive that innocent wee laddie is capable of being a beast and if you are willling to dig deep enouugh youl always be able to jam sqaure peg in a round hole and satisfy yourself that there was reasonnable doubt, even though that  "reasonable doubt " has been anything but reasonable to the people that countt for decades.


look at david gilroy case.  astonishin levels of cognitive disssonce among the convicts family who are certain what they see as a loving famiy man was not capable of being a violent partner and in the end murderer.

do you think all guilty convictions arre worthy of reveiw sandra? presumably  not.   so if a violent murderer  potentually  finds some way out and into society  , do you not find that prospect  a bit abhorrent?   can you honestly say you question why this would be opposed in the luke case?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on November 29, 2019, 07:40:AM
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do you think all guilty convictions arre worthy of reveiw sandra? presumably  not.   so if a violent murderer  potentually  finds some way out and into society  , do you not find that prospect  a bit abhorrent? 

Violent murderers, rapists and paeodphiles "find a way" out and into society all the time, Wakey. It's called the end of their sentence (often with early release).  Since our prison regime is not, despite claims to the contrary, geared towards rehabilitation, there is nothing to say these people have been changed in any positive way by their  period in prison - i.e. they are just as likely to murder, rape and harm children as they were when they went in.

Do I find that abhorrent? Yes, but it's the system we've got and I find the death penalty even more abhorrent (which will, undoubtedly, be the source of some lively "debate"). So what do we do? We don't have a system, generally, that allows these people to be imprisoned for the rest of their natural lives and if people are upset by the prospect of paying what is, in relative terms, a small amount for reviews of questionable cases, how would they feel about paying to keep people in prison for 30, 40, even 50 years?

Personally, I don't think whole life sentences are a particularly good idea either. Instead of heaping such vitriolic hate on those who do offend and are guilty, why don't we take a step back and consider trying to find out why they do what they do and if there is a way to ensure they don't do it again after release? Wouldn't that be a far better use of resources?

The prison sentence is seen as a way for the guilty offender to "repay his debt to society" and the length of that sentence is set to reflect the "debt" created by the crime. Once that "debt" is "paid," is it right that there can be calls for sentences to be extended on the basis that the prisoner is still a danger, when we, as a society, have done nothing to try to address or reduce that danger?

Quite simply, we can't have it all ways. The system we have says prisoners serve a sentence of a given length and then are released back into society. What can we do to make that system more effective, since, at the moment, it's all we've got?

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can you honestly say you question why this would be opposed in the luke case?

Yes, I can. Why would anyone object to an independent review of evidence, conducted by experts, which is not being funded by taxpayers money, the result of which would almost certainly put the whole discussion to bed once and for all? What is wrong with that?

Of course I'm not calling for a review of all guilty cases, nor would I. But in cases like this one, where there are serious questions, even amongst the legal and expert professions, are we just to shrug our shoulders and blindly trust that there "must be an explanation"? 

I always believed the justice system existed to find out the truth. I know, now, I was wrong, but I still believe the truth matters. What if Luke Mitchell didn't murder Jodi? What justice has she had? Don't you want to know? I do.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on November 29, 2019, 02:01:PM
as unbeleivable as you may find it , a process which has a chance, altho extreme remote, of seeing a violent killer freed on some technicality is generaly going to be opposed from the outset

why stop there? why not review every guilty conviction in all of history? theres always been some mug who doesnt beleive that innocent wee laddie is capable of being a beast and if you are willling to dig deep enouugh youl always be able to jam sqaure peg in a round hole and satisfy yourself that there was reasonnable doubt, even though that  "reasonable doubt " has been anything but reasonable to the people that countt for decades.


look at david gilroy case.  astonishin levels of cognitive disssonce among the convicts family who are certain what they see as a loving famiy man was not capable of being a violent partner and in the end murderer.

do you think all guilty convictions arre worthy of reveiw sandra? presumably  not.   so if a violent murderer  potentually  finds some way out and into society  , do you not find that prospect  a bit abhorrent?   can you honestly say you question why this would be opposed in the luke case?

Ironically, Sandra and Corrine are inadvertently prolonging Luke's incarceration. In my opinion their influence over him is detrimental to his rehabilitation and parole prospects. I say this because it does not seem like Luke is behind his own campaign so to speak.

Jeremy Bamber pro-actively writes to people, explains his situation ect. Getting on the radio at one time. If Jeremy was idle, accepted his fate and done nothing since 1986, he wouldn't have a campaign team or this forum at present. Luke's campaign on the other hand has been created for him without any of his input and possibly not even his idea or wish. But that's conjecture on my part.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on November 29, 2019, 02:06:PM
Ironically, Sandra and Corrine are inadvertently prolonging Luke's incarceration. In my opinion their influence over him is detrimental to his rehabilitation and parole prospects. I say this because it does not seem like Luke is behind his own campaign so to speak.

Jeremy Bamber pro-actively writes to people, explains his situation ect. Getting on the radio at one time. If Jeremy was idle, accepted his fate and done nothing since 1986, he wouldn't have a campaign team or this forum at present. Luke's campaign on the other hand has been created for him without any of his input and possibly not even his idea or wish. But that's conjecture on my part.

It is, indeed, conjecture, David, and you're wrong. Luke is as actively involved as it is possible for him to be. He has the final say in everything.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: David1819 on November 29, 2019, 02:37:PM
It is, indeed, conjecture, David, and you're wrong. Luke is as actively involved as it is possible for him to be. He has the final say in everything.

If he was actively involved as it is possible for him to be. Id have expected him to provide an explanation for his missing coat and knife by now, having 15 odd years to think what may have happened to these possessions of his.

Corrine says the police have hidden his coat. You say he never had one in the first place, despite the existence of a photo of him wearing the replacement that was never initially found. These conflicting arguments demonstrate that you and Corrine are making up answers for him.

The fact of the matter is, Luke never reported these items stolen and thus only he can explain what happened to his coat and knife. The disapperence of these items were important to the prosecutions case, and the only way to refute what the prosecution alleged would be having Luke take the stand and  give an innocent explanation for his possessions going missing. It then becomes apparent why Luke was advised not to take the stand.
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Parky41 on November 29, 2019, 02:40:PM
This 10k? purely for Ms Leans man hours of transferring all the case notes into hard copies, for easier access.
15-20hrs  a week roughly for a year, approx:
Then these hard copies will be transferred to independent people to carry out, another full review.
A full review of what?
Ms Lean claims she is not going to be part of this review, really?
She is preparing those very files for them to review - with all of her added work contained.
Not part of it, in what way will Ms Lean not be part of it?
Now we have the added green light from Luke on everything.
What exactly is CM going to be doing over this year?
What about these other cases Ms Lean has written on and helping with?
Does the paying of her man hours for this case - free up time for those.
Cunning?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: Bullseye on December 04, 2019, 02:12:PM
Is there any update on the long road to justice website, or is this no longer going ahead?

Also did you manage to find a site that people can donate on?
Title: Re: Gofundme removes £10,000 appeal bid to clear Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell
Post by: sandra L on December 05, 2019, 08:42:AM
The Long Road website is being rebuilt. However, since starting a new and demanding job, I will not have the same time to devote to the organisation as I'd previously hoped, so discussions are currently underway to find the best way to support it.

We may have found a suitable crowdfunding platform - I'm still working on it.