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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Caroline on October 17, 2019, 12:08:AM

Title: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on October 17, 2019, 12:08:AM
Why are the CT claiming the note inside the bible was never found? CAL's book even states what was written on the note (in June's handwriting)

https://twitter.com/Bambertweets/status/1184526839789826048?s=20

‘Love one another. A determination always to act in the others’ best interest, whether we feel good or not, whether we like them or not. It is an act of will, commandment to obey. Be determined to be loving and kind to every person you meet whether you like them or not. Lord Jesus in Thy mercy, teach me to love for Thy name’s sake, help me to live and speak as a Christian, no matter what others may think.’

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 408). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

The book also states that some pages were underlined. I would be interested to find out when the CT became aware of the six pages mentioned in the vid?
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: David1819 on October 17, 2019, 12:37:AM
Why are the CT claiming the note inside the bible was never found? CAL's book even states what was written on the note (in June's handwriting)

https://twitter.com/Bambertweets/status/1184526839789826048?s=20

‘Love one another. A determination always to act in the others’ best interest, whether we feel good or not, whether we like them or not. It is an act of will, commandment to obey. Be determined to be loving and kind to every person you meet whether you like them or not. Lord Jesus in Thy mercy, teach me to love for Thy name’s sake, help me to live and speak as a Christian, no matter what others may think.’

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 408). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

The book also states that some pages were underlined. I would be interested to find out when the CT became aware of the six pages mentioned in the vid?

Who said the letter was in Junes handwriting?
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on October 17, 2019, 01:38:AM
Who said the letter was in Junes handwriting?

It's in CAL's book - I imagine it was identified as June's writing from other samples.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2019, 07:23:AM
It's in CAL's book - I imagine it was identified as June's writing from other samples.


To me -and, I imagine to all those who knew her, it exemplifies the way June tried to live her life- this way of being is just the sort of thing which would be discussed in Bible class. At a guess it's the passage she was going to use in the class she didn't attend.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: David1819 on October 17, 2019, 10:56:AM
It's in CAL's book - I imagine it was identified as June's writing from other samples.

It doesn't look like Junes writing to me. To me the note looks like a child has written it.


(https://i.ibb.co/W28hGxK/writting.jpg)
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2019, 11:03:AM
It doesn't look like Junes writing to me. To me the note looks like a child has written it.


(https://i.ibb.co/W28hGxK/writting.jpg)


To me, it looks like someone is trying to squash too many words into too small a space. Also of note is that "Love one another" has been written as a heading for, and is written differently from, the rest of the text.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2019, 11:04:AM
The " Love one another " note could well have been written by a member of the Bible class and not that of the Bamber family.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2019, 11:17:AM
The " Love one another " note could well have been written by a member of the Bible class and not that of the Bamber family.


I can think of no good reason why that should have been. It is, however, a widely used format of highlighting a point one intends to expand.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2019, 11:21:AM

I can think of no good reason why that should have been. It is, however, a widely used format of highlighting a point one intends to expand.




A member may have written it in readiness for the next Bible class, we don't know.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2019, 11:26:AM



A member may have written it in readiness for the next Bible class, we don't know.


The most circuitous route, eh, Lookout ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2019, 11:28:AM

The most circuitous route, eh, Lookout ;D ;D




Why not ? It's the safest route to take for the time being----non-committal.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Reader on October 17, 2019, 12:30:PM
The note has never seemed like a suicide note, but the various fingerprints found might well be of interest.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2019, 01:08:PM
Including those of the bloodied Bible pages, Reader. Unless you included them too.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2019, 01:15:PM
Suicide notes, which I'd have said, were those which were scrawled by Sheila which included that " police and the newspaper would be there ". There were 6 ? pages of scribblings, some of which didn't make sense through being illegible in places.
I'd been waiting for reports about these " notes " since they were supposed to have been seen by a handwriting expert, but heard nothing more about thoughts on the content.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on October 17, 2019, 01:40:PM
It doesn't look like Junes writing to me. To me the note looks like a child has written it.


(https://i.ibb.co/W28hGxK/writting.jpg)

Well, none of us are handwriting experts but we can't see enough of it anyway. However, the point is, the note wasn't missing as the CT claim.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Jane on October 17, 2019, 04:01:PM
Suicide notes, which I'd have said, were those which were scrawled by Sheila which included that " police and the newspaper would be there ". There were 6 ? pages of scribblings, some of which didn't make sense through being illegible in places.
I'd been waiting for reports about these " notes " since they were supposed to have been seen by a handwriting expert, but heard nothing more about thoughts on the content.

Except it's never been proved that they were suicide notes. Another case of wishful thinking, perhaps?
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2019, 04:41:PM
Except it's never been proved that they were suicide notes. Another case of wishful thinking, perhaps?




I don't do wishful thinking.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on October 17, 2019, 05:42:PM



I don't do wishful thinking.

There are quite a few thing that you 'don't do'  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2019, 06:48:PM
There are quite a few thing that you 'don't do'  ;D ;D ;D ;D




Ooooooh, there are more than a few.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on October 17, 2019, 07:33:PM



Ooooooh, there are more than a few.

I don't do not doing!
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: mike tesko on October 17, 2019, 07:36:PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2323572664432270&id=100003386766347&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: sami on October 19, 2019, 09:43:PM
It doesn't look like Junes writing to me. To me the note looks like a child has written it.


(https://i.ibb.co/W28hGxK/writting.jpg)
yes good point well spotted ,the work of a child,it was the twins who wrote it
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2019, 12:47:PM
What you can see of it !  ::)
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on December 16, 2019, 10:37:PM
It doesn't look like Junes writing to me. To me the note looks like a child has written it.


(https://i.ibb.co/W28hGxK/writting.jpg)

Yes, so you have said and when you qualify as a hand writing expert, someone might take notice - the mean time ........ It was in her bible and others have confirmed she often write inspirations notes.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on December 17, 2019, 09:24:AM
That is an " older " person's handwriting.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: guest7363 on December 17, 2019, 11:36:AM
That is an " older " person's handwriting.
Why is someone suggesting otherwise Lookout?  It even says My Grandchildren in the note
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on December 17, 2019, 12:10:PM
That is an " older " person's handwriting.

Another handwriting expert? Or did you spot the BIG giveaway? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on December 17, 2019, 06:27:PM
Another handwriting expert? Or did you spot the BIG giveaway? ;D ;D ;D ;D





I was in a rush when I looked at that and just glanced at the handwriting. Where was the giveaway as I've still not read it ? I'm now just catching up with posts of today.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Kaldin on December 17, 2019, 06:35:PM
Why is someone suggesting otherwise Lookout?  It even says My Grandchildren in the note

It says "Godchildren".  8)
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on December 17, 2019, 06:39:PM
So it does,Kaldin. This is the problem with being too hasty. It leaves you wondering how much else has been misread ?
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Jane on December 17, 2019, 07:02:PM
So it does,Kaldin. This is the problem with being too hasty. It leaves you wondering how much else has been misread ?


Are you going to count those you misread?
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on December 17, 2019, 07:12:PM
So it does,Kaldin. This is the problem with being too hasty. It leaves you wondering how much else has been misread ?

Well not really because in the grand scheme of things it's one of the least important points on the forum. Still, it made Kaldin feel like a hero - for 5 minutes!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on December 17, 2019, 07:21:PM

Are you going to count those you misread?




I don't need to do, I can memorise a lot of them.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: guest7363 on December 17, 2019, 08:05:PM
It says "Godchildren".  8)
Thanks for that, I did warn you I was on my phone all week 😂😂😂
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Kaldin on December 17, 2019, 08:06:PM
 ;D
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: guest7363 on December 17, 2019, 08:25:PM
;D
Ive not watched all the video yet Kaldin, nice find though. 
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on December 17, 2019, 08:29:PM
Well not really because in the grand scheme of things it's one of the least important points on the forum. Still, it made Kaldin feel like a hero - for 5 minutes!  ;D ;D ;D





There are many other less important points attached to the case too.  :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Kaldin on December 17, 2019, 08:43:PM
Ive not watched all the video yet Kaldin, nice find though.

The one I posted re Barbara Wilson?

There are some inaccuracies in it, but it's quite interesting.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: guest7363 on December 17, 2019, 08:58:PM
The one I posted re Barbara Wilson?

There are some inaccuracies in it, but it's quite interesting.
Im back Friday so will watch it Kaldin, I watched first 10 mins.  I will try and put a link up who I think is Brett Collins in trouble in New Zealand
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: guest7363 on December 17, 2019, 09:00:PM
The one I posted re Barbara Wilson?

There are some inaccuracies in it, but it's quite interesting.
Not sure if you’ve seen it Kaldin, Brett Eric Collins would have been 61 in 2014

http://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10224335/30k-fine-for-selling-too-many-vehicles
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Jane on December 17, 2019, 09:02:PM
The one I posted re Barbara Wilson?

There are some inaccuracies in it, but it's quite interesting.


Her stories seem a little conflicted.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Caroline on December 17, 2019, 09:22:PM

Her stories seem a little conflicted.

Yes, she had contradicted herself quite a bit over the years.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: Kaldin on December 17, 2019, 09:40:PM
Not sure if you’ve seen it Kaldin, Brett Eric Collins would have been 61 in 2014

http://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10224335/30k-fine-for-selling-too-many-vehicles

Ooh yes. He's a bit naughty!  :))
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: guest7363 on December 17, 2019, 09:46:PM
Ooh yes. He's a bit naughty!  :))
Looks like it’s him don’t you think Kaldin?
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: guest7363 on December 17, 2019, 09:52:PM
Ooh yes. He's a bit naughty!  :))
Like you I don’t agree with Julie’s part in it, but when you read Brett’s statement there is elements that coincide with Julie’s,  the fact he hated his parents, he didn’t like the fact June was giving money to church, she threatened him with police etc
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on December 17, 2019, 11:01:PM
A wide boy no doubt but not a party to an alleged " murderer ".
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: gringo on December 17, 2019, 11:03:PM
   The non disclosure/destruction of vital evidence is a recurring theme of this case.
   Why did EP initially deny having pictures of the bible in situ? The defence only became aware of these in 2002 and the note has effectively disappeared.
   Why have they never disclosed the note? The fingerprint results?
   It was all considered vital crime scene evidence by EP at the time. That they photographed and fingerprinted the bible at the time shows that it was seen as vital evidence. The behaviour of EP afterwards in lying about the existence of this evidence also shows that it was vital evidence.
   The known deceit of EP in this case is staggering.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: lookout on December 17, 2019, 11:13:PM
It sure is gringo--appalling and bare-faced deceit.
Title: Re: New Bible Claims By CT Team
Post by: sami on December 21, 2019, 08:01:PM
they are only human just like the rest of us :)