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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: David1819 on April 22, 2018, 03:20:PM
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Paul Harrison 54 who mysteriously died on an archaeological dig in Egypt on Wednesday 25 August 2010. Is back in the news. Paul Harrison now age 54+8 resurrectio is now apparently Britain's "mindhunter crime expert"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-mindhunter-crime-expert-says-11807396 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-mindhunter-crime-expert-says-11807396)
It is also alleged that the Yorkshire ripper (Peter Sutcliffe) is scared of Paul Harrison. And who can blame him? Anyone familiar with the film Dawn of the Dead or the classic arcade game House of the Dead will know it must have been an unnerving encounter for even the most twisted of criminals.
See link below for more info on his "curious “death” and subsequent re-emergence"
https://tinyurl.com/paulharrisonfakesowndeath (https://tinyurl.com/paulharrisonfakesowndeath)
How exactly Paul Harrison returned from his death on the Egyptian archaeological dig remains unclear. Nevertheless there only seems one plausible explanation for how such an extraordinary event can take place.
https://youtu.be/6J-PhFYNbOU?t=53s (https://youtu.be/6J-PhFYNbOU?t=53s)
His resurrection from the dead only coming to light in 2016. It seems the alleged death threats by Mr Bamber in 2014 were very much in vain.
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I'm glad pauls not dead anymore.
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The man's crackers.
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at least his book was original.
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Original in the way that what all these authors have in common is to close the gate after the horse has bolted. Meaning that it's easy to write after the fact when all is laid out before them that which has already been investigated cut dried and edited to suit.
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well I must say hes book was interesting even if it was mostly fiction.
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well I must say hes book was interesting even if it was mostly fiction.
I agree with you save for "mostly". I think we can all see what was going on here. It might be worth revisiting threads on this character. I have held back in the past but I am tempted to say more now.
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I agree with you save for "mostly". I think we can all see what was going on here. It might be worth revisiting threads on this character. I have held back in the past but I am tempted to say more now.
NGB do you have any idea of the circumstances of the resurrection from his death in Egypt? Someome close by must have read from the book of the dead like in the 1999 Mummy film. How else could it happen? Any ideas? ;D
On a serious note. I came across some old posts not long ago and it seems rumors of his death were circulating on here prior to that published article in 2016. :-\
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On a serious note. I came across some old posts not long ago and it seems rumors of his death were circulating on here prior to that published article in 2016. :-\
I remember this very well. Truth can be stranger than fiction. The owner of the red forum posted here the report that our "hero" was dead. I then was contacted by the great writer demanding that I correct the misinformation, which I did. We subsequently had the Scottish Sunday Express "threat" charade. I think all sensible people realise what was actually happening here. Some of us have more direct knowledge of the background to his book. I have not revealed what I know and others here have also maintained confidences, but frankly this character should be exposed.
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I remember this very well. Truth can be stranger than fiction. The owner of the red forum posted here the report that our "hero" was dead. I then was contacted by the great writer demanding that I correct the misinformation, which I did. We subsequently had the Scottish Daily Express "threat" charade. I think all sensible people realise what was actually happening here. Some of us have more direct knowledge of the background to his book. I have not revealed what I know and others here have also maintained confidences, but frankly this character should be exposed.
Well that explains why he fell out with Lamberton. Not sure why he fell out with you thou. As for the Scottish Daily Express, I remember that back in early 2015 while first reading up on this case. I joined this forum under the impression you were Jeremy's "protector". LOL
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You can now hear tales from the living dead himself. £15 a ticket.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/meet-man-who-chatted-serial-14869076 (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/meet-man-who-chatted-serial-14869076)
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You can now hear tales from the living dead himself. £15 a ticket.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/meet-man-who-chatted-serial-14869076 (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/meet-man-who-chatted-serial-14869076)
When all else fails - play the PH card ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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When all else fails - play the PH card ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You have to admit Caroline it is quite a good card to play! ;D
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why is the yorkshire ripper supposed to be afraid of him exactly.
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You have to admit Caroline it is quite a good card to play! ;D
Oh, God. Don't stir it with PH again - you'll end up in the paper again.
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You have to admit Caroline it is quite a good card to play! ;D
He plays it because he thinks I like PH and to stir up crap between you and I. I quite categorically state here and now, that I have nothing whatsoever to do with that man so if this is supposed to be a stick to dig me with - crack on David! He's doing the only thing he's good at - SH*T stirring.
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so whos going to see him then im not sure i spare the 15 pound.
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so whos going to see him then im not sure i spare the 15 pound.
"But why"?
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You know what I find amusing...
David can you really see Sheila shooting a dozen times in the master bedroom, none of them missing, then running down the staircase to reload..
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David can you really see Sheila shooting a dozen times in the master bedroom, none of them missing, then running down the staircase to reload..
Thats a loaded question.
Considering she was able to make it up the stairs. Thus she can make it back down.
Considering both targets were within less than 5 feet away how can she miss?
So yes I can.
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NGB do you have any idea of the circumstances of the resurrection from his death in Egypt? Someome close by must have read from the book of the dead like in the 1999 Mummy film. How else could it happen? Any ideas? ;D
On a serious note. I came across some old posts not long ago and it seems rumors of his death were circulating on here prior to that published article in 2016. :-\
No offence to Neil but you are one massive kiss ass!
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No offence to Neil but you are one massive kiss ass!
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Been drinking again have we?
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Been drinking again have we?
No but you've been deleting your own work.
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With the alleged phone call from Brett Collins and the alleged conversation with Ed Lawson. Paul Harrison has actually made himself seem like an important witness in the Bamber case. Therefore it is important that people interested in Bamber understand PHs lack of credibility.
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With the alleged phone call from Brett Collins and the alleged conversation with Ed Lawson. Paul Harrison has actually made himself seem like an important witness in the Bamber case. Therefore it is important that people interested in Bamber understand PHs lack of credibility.
PH isn't influential in the Bamber case but that isn't why you mentioned him!
In reply to your post! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvzdO2C_TRY
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Been drinking again have we?
Drinking? I thought Holly was the alcoholic? ::) Have you taken your pills today?
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No but you've been deleting your own work.
No Steve - I did that ;)
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PH isn't influential in the Bamber case but that isn't why you mentioned him!
In reply to your post! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvzdO2C_TRY
I think I might know my own reasons for posting what I post. You on the other hand delude yourself into thinking everything somehow involves you and couldn't help putting yourself into the picture somehow.
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I think I might know my own reasons for posting what I post. You on the other hand delude yourself into thinking everything somehow involves you and couldn't help putting yourself into the picture somehow.
Utter crap, you did it to shite stir and to try and ingraciate yourself. Pathetic worm!
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Drinking? I thought Holly was the alcoholic? ::) Have you taken your pills today?
No I’ve ran out. The heatwave made me want to take more and more. I have to be without until I get a repeat prescription. :(
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why all the fuss about what david posted.
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why all the fuss about what david posted.
Why?
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Why?
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Conversely there is also a lot posted on red which would not be allowed here !!
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David can you bring up a thread please ? " Jeremy's comments on the " Tonight " programme-aired 29th of March 2012 " . Thankyou.
A few areas up for discussion on this " controversially " copied piece.
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David can you bring up a thread please ? " Jeremy's comments on the " Tonight " programme-aired 29th of March 2012 " . Thankyou.
A few areas up for discussion on this " controversially " copied piece.
How childish! No need to thank me - I know you don't have it in you!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2545.msg78589/topicseen.html#msg78589
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How childish! No need to thank me - I know you don't have it in you!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2545.msg78589/topicseen.html#msg78589
I asked him because it's on HIS thread without encroaching on other threads, that's all. Good grief !
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However, I will thank you for doing that because I happen to have good manners and hope that everyone will take the time to read it.
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Interestingly SJ had adamantly quoted suicide after " Taff "had said he couldn't prove that JB had done it.
DB had heard this being said-------recorded on the Holmes 36/306.
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Strange that in " Taff's " notes that AE told him ( Taff ) that " neither Jeremy or Sheila knew very much about firearms " ?
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Strange that in " Taff's " notes that AE told him ( Taff ) that " neither Jeremy or Sheila knew very much about firearms " ?
There's a photograph of him about 10 years old holding a rifle so I don't know what Ann Eaton knew. He also practised shooting at Gresham's and there was the shooting competition of sorts he had with Anthony Pargeter only a few days before the tragedy.
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There's a photograph of him about 10 years old holding a rifle so I don't know what Ann Eaton knew. He also practised shooting at Gresham's and there was the shooting competition of sorts he had with Anthony Pargeter only a few days before the tragedy.
It just goes to show how little she knew of the family.
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You can now hear tales from the living dead himself. £15 a ticket.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/meet-man-who-chatted-serial-14869076 (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/meet-man-who-chatted-serial-14869076)
Tales from the living dead, is also doing a London show. I think I will pass.
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Tales from the living dead is now coming to Leicester.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/serial-killer-expert-who-interviewed-1880825 (https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/serial-killer-expert-who-interviewed-1880825)
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Tales from the living dead is now coming to Leicester.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/serial-killer-expert-who-interviewed-1880825 (https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/serial-killer-expert-who-interviewed-1880825)
Another waste of £15.
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John Wayne Gacy. Another dead man who can’t confirm or deny anything. :-\
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John Wayne Gacy. Another dead man who can’t confirm or deny anything. :-\
:) :) :) :) :)
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You only need go as far as Manchester to see " the living dead " as the effects of " spice " takes hold.Scary!
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You only need go as far as Manchester to see " the living dead " as the effects of " spice " takes hold.Scary!
Has to be Man U fans Lookout!!
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Has to be Man U fans Lookout!!
Without a doubt Maggie :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
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Has to be Man U fans Lookout!!
Think he's a Leeds and Carlise fan actually.
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https://www.skiddle.com/whats-on/Nottingham/The-Glee/Interviews-With-British-Serial-Killers---Paul-Harrison-18/13331042/ (https://www.skiddle.com/whats-on/Nottingham/The-Glee/Interviews-With-British-Serial-Killers---Paul-Harrison-18/13331042/)
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Paul Harrison is working on a Zodiac Killer book now.
The front cover has a quote from David Toschi (the lead zodiac investigator) saying “Paul Harrison the Zodiac expert I wish I had working on the case with me”
David Toschi died this year. This man is a disgrace >:(
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Ive read all the Robert Graysmith books. I contacted him about a documentary that was out last year. He was still in contact with Toschi at that time. They were still close. Robert Graysmith was Toshcis expert he wish he had worked with sooner. They were both still haunted by the case.
Robert always replies to emails. He still overly interested in the case. He is also protective of it. If anyone can be bothered to look up his email they could ask him about Toshci/PH.
I wont be reading any PH book on the Zodiac case.
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Ive read all the Robert Graysmith books. I contacted him about a documentary that was out last year. He was still in contact with Toschi at that time. They were still close. Robert Graysmith was Toshcis expert he wish he had worked with sooner. They were both still haunted by the case.
Robert always replies to emails. He still overly interested in the case. He is also protective of it. If anyone can be bothered to look up his email they could ask him about Toshci/PH.
I wont be reading any PH book on the Zodiac case.
Good idea Mat!
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Ive read all the Robert Graysmith books. I contacted him about a documentary that was out last year. He was still in contact with Toschi at that time. They were still close. Robert Graysmith was Toshcis expert he wish he had worked with sooner. They were both still haunted by the case.
Robert always replies to emails. He still overly interested in the case. He is also protective of it. If anyone can be bothered to look up his email they could ask him about Toshci/PH.
I wont be reading any PH book on the Zodiac case.
Everything PH claims is a lie in order to promote and sell what ever pack of lies he is working on next.
As for Graysmith has he ever admitted that Arthur Leah Allen was not the Zodiac? He more or less helped ruin that guys life. :(
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Everything PH claims is a lie in order to promote and sell what ever pack of lies he is working on next.
As for Graysmith has he ever admitted that Arthur Leah Allen was not the Zodiac? He more or less helped ruin that guys life. :(
His books gave the most information at the time, he was closest to those investigating it at the time and he kept in contact with many of them for years later. His opinions at the end of his books on ALA aren't fully convincing but they're just opinions.
But either way Graysmith will be more in the know than you or I as to what contact Toschi and PH.
I'm no fan of PH don't get me wrong, he threatened to sue me - but I do have a soft spot for him for fully exposing Jackie to those with their eyes open for what she is. ;D
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His books gave the most information at the time, he was closest to those investigating it at the time and he kept in contact with many of them for years later. His opinions at the end of his books on ALA aren't fully convincing but they're just opinions.
But either way Graysmith will be more in the know than you or I as to what contact Toschi and PH.
I'm no fan of PH don't get me wrong, he threatened to sue me - but I do have a soft spot for him for fully exposing Jackie to those with their eyes open for what she is. ;D
ALAs DNA does not match the Zodiac.
ALAs handwritting does not match the Zodiac.
ALAs palm prints don’t match the Zodiac.
ALA looks nothing like what the eyewitnesses describe.
ALA passed an intensive FBI polygraph examination.
All this except the DNA was known back then. Yet Graysmith thought he was onto something because ALA had a Zodiac wristwatch and the Letters stopped while he was in jail for a few month.
As for PH exposing Jackie. That’s new to me. What happened?
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ALAs DNA does not match the Zodiac.
ALAs handwritting does not match the Zodiac.
ALAs palm prints don’t match the Zodiac.
ALA looks nothing like what the eyewitnesses describe.
ALA passed an intensive FBI polygraph examination.
All this except the DNA was known back then. Yet Graysmith thought he was onto something because ALA had a Zodiac wristwatch and the Letters stopped while he was in jail for a few month.
As for PH exposing Jackie. That’s new to me. What happened?
It's been a long time since I read the books, but it was more than that.
As for the Jackie thing......Come on, you don't remember? She was caught leaking Pm's and emails to him, she lied about their contact, she offered him access to her works database to help promote his book. ;D He got her and NGB in the newspaper because of her actions.
Jackies employer commented in the article.
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ALAs DNA does not match the Zodiac.
ALAs handwritting does not match the Zodiac.
ALAs palm prints don’t match the Zodiac.
ALA looks nothing like what the eyewitnesses describe.
ALA passed an intensive FBI polygraph examination.
All this except the DNA was known back then. Yet Graysmith thought he was onto something because ALA had a Zodiac wristwatch and the Letters stopped while he was in jail for a few month.
As for PH exposing Jackie. That’s new to me. What happened?
Do you post on the Zodiac forum?
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Do you post on the Zodiac forum?
No. But I know a lot about the case.
I have my theories.
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lol
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81fX9ZaeoDL.jpg)
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As for the Jackie thing......Come on, you don't remember? She was caught leaking Pm's and emails to him, she lied about their contact, she offered him access to her works database to help promote his book. ;D He got her and NGB in the newspaper because of her actions.
Jackies employer commented in the article.
I wasn’t on this forum when all this took place. The Paul Harrison fiasco took place a year before I joined. I have heard several sides to the stories. :-\
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I wasn’t on this forum when all this took place. The Paul Harrison fiasco took place a year before I joined. I have heard several sides to the stories. :-\
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524489/Mass-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-s-threat-to-Scots-author-Harrison
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lol
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81fX9ZaeoDL.jpg)
Yikes. ;D
Did you watch the recent documentary with the 'super computer' trying to decode the zodiac ciphers? ;D
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524489/Mass-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-s-threat-to-Scots-author-Harrison
That’s a load of BS he made up to help promote his BS book.
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That’s a load of BS he made up to help promote his BS book.
Absolutely David
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That’s a load of BS he made up to help promote his BS book.
I agree.
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I agree.
Absolutely David
I wonder if PH will get an encrypted zodiac letter arrive on his doorstep. ;D ;D ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbHg6U5DL0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbHg6U5DL0w)
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I remember this very well. Truth can be stranger than fiction. The owner of the red forum posted here the report that our "hero" was dead. I then was contacted by the great writer demanding that I correct the misinformation, which I did. We subsequently had the Scottish Sunday Express "threat" charade. I think all sensible people realise what was actually happening here. Some of us have more direct knowledge of the background to his book. I have not revealed what I know and others here have also maintained confidences, but frankly this character should be exposed.
Looks like your wish has come true on that. Publishers have pulled his books down and he now faces a possible fraud investigation.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9490896/phoney-serial-killer-expert-deceiving-fans-yorkshire-ripper/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9490896/phoney-serial-killer-expert-deceiving-fans-yorkshire-ripper/)
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17768570.crime-author-whose-work-also-includes-books-carlisle-utd-cancels-talks-fake-storm/ (https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17768570.crime-author-whose-work-also-includes-books-carlisle-utd-cancels-talks-fake-storm/)
I cant say he didn't have this coming. Its long overdue.
Over and out.
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Looks like your wish has come true on that. Publishers have pulled his books down and he now faces a possible fraud investigation.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9490896/phoney-serial-killer-expert-deceiving-fans-yorkshire-ripper/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9490896/phoney-serial-killer-expert-deceiving-fans-yorkshire-ripper/)
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17768570.crime-author-whose-work-also-includes-books-carlisle-utd-cancels-talks-fake-storm/ (https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17768570.crime-author-whose-work-also-includes-books-carlisle-utd-cancels-talks-fake-storm/)
I cant say he didn't have this coming. Its long overdue.
Over and out.
exposed by the sun i wonder how that happend.
theres not a sun reporter on here is there.
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Looks like your wish has come true on that. Publishers have pulled his books down and he now faces a possible fraud investigation.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9490896/phoney-serial-killer-expert-deceiving-fans-yorkshire-ripper/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9490896/phoney-serial-killer-expert-deceiving-fans-yorkshire-ripper/)
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17768570.crime-author-whose-work-also-includes-books-carlisle-utd-cancels-talks-fake-storm/ (https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17768570.crime-author-whose-work-also-includes-books-carlisle-utd-cancels-talks-fake-storm/)
I cant say he didn't have this coming. Its long overdue.
Over and out.
This is brilliant news and long overdue. His claims were becoming more and more outrageous - clearly in order to make a lot of money from his talks. He gave one at a London club recently and the promotional write up was laughable. I considered contacting the venue in advance (I am a member) to try to persuade them to cancel the event, but unfortunately I did not do that. He could face a number of expensive claims now.
If there was any doubt before his appalling book on the Bamber case should now be seen for what it is. There are people here who have respected confidences but who knew very well the strange twists and turns surrounding his involvement in the case and the eventual publication of a book at total variance with his initial declared intentions.
I hope we hear more about this in the near future.
I think forum members will also now see through Harrison's claims to the Scottish Sunday Express (partly repeated in his book although heavily censored by his publisher's lawyers) about the threatening letter he claimed to have received.
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Couldn't resist this !
Yes, as you rightly said David--" he had it coming ". I'm not surprised.
I'd said a while back that the man was crackers, but he's more than that isn't he ? A liar and a fantasist to boot.
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It's in the Guardian too nugs.
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Doctors have advised PH not to undertake any further events. Due to " on-going ill health ". This was regarding Facebook Manchester Crime Club.
In his Facebook post Harrison wrote : " This monster is no longer mine,nor is it what I wanted it to be. I saw it as a tool to give victims a voice, everywhere but because I'm weak and vulnerable and utterly useless at decision making I was introduced to sensationalising events by promoters who often sent out misleading blurb. Something I had to live up to. I've decided to call it a day for now. No more shows or interaction on social media-----It seems I've let everyone down.I'm sorry for that ".
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Doctors have advised PH not to undertake any further events. Due to " on-going ill health ". This was regarding Facebook Manchester Crime Club.
In his Facebook post Harrison wrote : " This monster is no longer mine,nor is it what I wanted it to be. I saw it as a tool to give victims a voice, everywhere but because I'm weak and vulnerable and utterly useless at decision making I was introduced to sensationalising events by promoters who often sent out misleading blurb. Something I had to live up to. I've decided to call it a day for now. No more shows or interaction on social media-----It seems I've let everyone down.I'm sorry for that ".
I am not surprised he has "on-going ill health ". He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself. He may experience more than that. He is a complete disgrace. When I have time I will post more about this creep.
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isnt it time jackie got an apology from the people who took his word over hers.
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isnt it time jackie got an apology from the people who took his word of hers.
I agree with you. The letter was a complete fake.
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Couldn't resist this !
Yes, as you rightly said David--" he had it coming ". I'm not surprised.
I'd said a while back that the man was crackers, but he's more than that isn't he ? A liar and a fantasist to boot.
Hi Lookout
It’s been claimed that he’s earned up to £15,000 per talking event. Thats rather disgusting.
Had I known that I would have made more of an effort in bringing attention to this snake oil salesman.
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I am not surprised he has "on-going ill health ". He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself. He may experience more than that. He is a complete disgrace. When I have time I will post more about this creep.
I look forward to what you have to post Neil.
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isnt it time jackie got an apology from the people who took his word over hers.
dont rush yourselves.
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I look forward to what you have to post Neil.
so will i
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so will i
It will take a little time to prepare a post setting out the history of this character. It is good that he has at last been exposed but it will be worth explaining his interaction with people here. His book on the Bamber case is a complete work of fiction as was his fabricated story in the Scottish Sunday Express. It will take a bit of time to retrieve all the material but I will try to do that as soon as I can.
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I bought his book though have never read it as I knew what the content would be particularly when I saw who was included in the credits/frontispiece, the only opened page-----another rogue.
If anyone ever lived in cloud cuckoo-land it's this man and he ought to be thoroughly ashamed of himself. He had a lot of people fooled and it comes to something when a criminal who'd committed the most heinous of crimes pulled him up over his lies-------makes you think, doesn't it ? Did PH ever think he'd get away with it ? Only, perhaps if the said criminal had died !!
The greatest fantasist who ever lived !
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I bought his book though have never read it as I knew what the content would be particularly when I saw who was included in the credits/frontispiece, the only opened page-----another rogue.
If anyone ever lived in cloud cuckoo-land it's this man and he ought to be thoroughly ashamed of himself. He had a lot of people fooled and it comes to something when a criminal who'd committed the most heinous of crimes pulled him up over his lies-------makes you think, doesn't it ? Did PH ever think he'd get away with it ? Only, perhaps if the said criminal had died !!
The greatest fantasist who ever lived !
thats why he came on as mason doyle not paul harrison tat stoped anyone looking to closely into his backround.
when i finnaly did some reasarch on his previous works about jack the ripper i could see why.
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i lso climed he knew why bob wolfingdon changed stance.
i asked him why he said i should ask bob wofindon myself so i asked if he had bobs contact details so i could he hen said he couldent give them out.
i did finnaly manae to trackbob down he dident really want to talk about the bamber case but an intreting thing he did tell me was that he had never heard of paul harrision.
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Just think of the damage he may have caused involving a lot of people, nugs, with his poison-pen letters and lies. He'll have been like this since he was first on the beat all those years ago.What a horror !
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A pity that Woffinden is dead,eh ?
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A pity that Woffinden is dead,eh ?
a great pity he was spot on id say 70 percent of the time.
i think called a few wrong but then so does everybody.
i do wish i had had the chance to ask why he thought ian simms was innocent to me he looked bang to rights but bob must of had his reasons.
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It will take a little time to prepare a post setting out the history of this character. It is good that he has at last been exposed but it will be worth explaining his interaction with people here. His book on the Bamber case is a complete work of fiction as was his fabricated story in the Scottish Sunday Express. It will take a bit of time to retrieve all the material but I will try to do that as soon as I can.
Talking of books Neil, I spoke to Andrew Hunter a few month ago. He has still been working on his Jeremy Bamber book after all this time and has almost completed it. He is now looking for a publisher.
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Talking of books Neil, I spoke to Andrew Hunter a few month ago. He has still been working on his Jeremy Bamber book after all this time and has almost completed it. He is now looking for a publisher.
That is very interesting. I know he does have access to a lot of the case material.
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exposed by the sun i wonder how that happend.
theres not a sun reporter on here is there.
He was not exposed by the Sun per say. He was exposed by the FBI and the Yorkshire Ripper. Then the Sun reported it.
I doubt any investigative journalist has read up on PH here. I would have expected this much sooner had that been the case.
I wonder what prompted the FBI to help expose Paul Harrison?
"Seven ex-FBI agents who Harrison would have worked with say they have no idea who he was.
One agent Mark Safari said: “Any claim that he conducted interviews of those serial killers is completely false.”"
Several months ago I raised attention over on the Zodiac Killer forums about Paul Harrison's upcoming Zodiac Killer book, warning people not to waste any time or money on it and that he will invent claims and falsely attribute them to the deceased investigators involved. Those forums have primarily an American user base and the FBI were heavily involved in helping SFPD with the Zodiac killer right up until the early 1990s.
Perhaps some retired FBI agents got wind of Paul Harrison's planned Zodiac book and didn't want their deceased colleague's being fictionalised to glorify this weirdo. The front cover already had a quote from Detective Toschi saying - "Paul Harrison, The Zodiac expert I wish I had working on the case with me"
With such outrageous claims. Sooner or later someone was going to close the net on him.
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He was not exposed by the Sun per say. He was exposed by the FBI and the Yorkshire Ripper. Then the Sun reported it.
I doubt any investigative journalist has read up on PH here. I would have expected this much sooner had that been the case.
I wonder what prompted the FBI to help expose Paul Harrison?
"Seven ex-FBI agents who Harrison would have worked with say they have no idea who he was.
hes been well know on the jack the riipper forum for long time.
i think hes book was jack the ripper mystory solved a raher misleading title.
One agent Mark Safari said: “Any claim that he conducted interviews of those serial killers is completely false.”"
Several months ago I raised attention over on the Zodiac Killer forums about Paul Harrison's upcoming Zodiac Killer book, warning people not to waste any time or money on it and that he will invent claims and falsely attribute them to the deceased investigators involved. Those forums have primarily an American user base and the FBI were heavily involved in helping SFPD with the Zodiac killer right up until the early 1990s.
Perhaps some retired FBI agents got wind of Paul Harrison's planned Zodiac book and didn't want their deceased colleague's being fictionalised to glorify this weirdo. The front cover already had a quote from Detective Toschi saying - "Paul Harrison, The Zodiac expert I wish I had working on the case with me"
With such outrageous claims. Sooner or later someone was going to close the net on him.
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caroline are you pleased he mentioned youu in the credits or would you rather he hadent.
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caroline are you pleased he mentioned youu in the credits or would you rather he hadent.
Not bothered one way or the other but I am not the only person here that was mentioned. Given your comment, I hope Lookout wasn't referring to me as a 'rouge' because if so, I would like her to clarify EXACTLY what she was getting at?
I have purposely not commented on this topic because I had a suspicion that someone eventually would try and draw me in. I have spoken at length to NGB about my supposed association with PH, most of which has been dreamt up by some members here and quite a few forget how they fawned over him when they thought he was writing a book about an innocent Jeremy Bamber. Some even think I changed my opinion because he did - those people are stupid and not worth a concern.
I haven't heard from PH in years, I don't search the internet to find out what he is doing because I simply don't care. He has made a bed and now has to lie in it (pardon the pun). That is all I have to say about him.
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I have spoken at length to NGB about my supposed association with PH, most of which has been dreamt up by some members here and quite a few forget how they fawned over him when they thought he was writing a book about an innocent Jeremy Bamber. Some even think I changed my opinion because he did - those people are stupid and not worth a concern.
You made numerous attempts to defend the claims made in his book after it was released and its contents scrutinized on this forum and red. It was rather obvious you believed what PH had written e.g his alleged meeting with Ed Lawson to name a few. You changing your mind in close proximity to him doing just that only compounds peoples suspicions.
Its a valid conjecture to make and the majority of this forum is not stupid.
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No, Caroline, I wasn't referring to you as a rogue as you should well appreciate. The remark went to Tony Bennett the solicitor who once accused the McCanns of involvement with their daughter's disappearance then went on to say that " they'd covered it up ".
Why would you even think I'd have you down as a rogue ?? TBH I didn't even see your name, but I saw Bennett's straight away.
While you're at it could you clarify those members who dreamt up your association with PH just so that I'm not included in it?
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You made numerous attempts to defend the claims made in his book after it was released and its contents scrutinized on this forum and red. It was rather obvious you believed what PH had written e.g his alleged meeting with Ed Lawson to name a few. You changing your mind in close proximity to him doing just that only compounds peoples suspicions.
Its a valid conjecture to make and the majority of this forum is not stupid.
I'm not getting dragged into your little game David. Already you are insinuating that he was caught out because of some crap you wrote on another forum. PH isn't the only one with a massive ego who makes outlandish claims!
By the way, I don't think I defended his book but there was a time when I thought he was genuine, like a LOT of people here! I had a long discussion with NGB a few months ago on this very topic but I have no intention of providing YOU with the details and I have no problem with people like you being suspicious because I don't rate your opinion. Crack on!
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No, Caroline, I wasn't referring to you as a rogue as you should well appreciate. The remark went to Tony Bennett the solicitor who once accused the McCanns of involvement with their daughter's disappearance then went on to say that " they'd covered it up ".
Why would you even think I'd have you down as a rogue ?? TBH I didn't even see your name, but I saw Bennett's straight away.
While you're at it could you clarify those members who dreamt up your association with PH just so that I'm not included in it?
Then I apologise Lookout - the reason I thought you meant me was because of Nugs's comment. Paranoia I guess.
No, I wasn't including you in my comment, there is one poster in particular that the comment was aimed at.
By the way, welcome back!
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I was nearly going to say in my last post that I wasn't impressed by the greeting on my return back to the fold, however I forgive you and thank you for the swift change of mind, that was much nicer.
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Doctors have advised PH not to undertake any further events. Due to " on-going ill health ". This was regarding Facebook Manchester Crime Club.
In his Facebook post Harrison wrote : " This monster is no longer mine,nor is it what I wanted it to be. I saw it as a tool to give victims a voice, everywhere but because I'm weak and vulnerable and utterly useless at decision making I was introduced to sensationalising events by promoters who often sent out misleading blurb. Something I had to live up to. I've decided to call it a day for now. No more shows or interaction on social media-----It seems I've let everyone down.I'm sorry for that ".
His apology or confession (whatever you want to call it) is totally pathetic. He has tried to blame it on his event promoters and claiming he was giving the victims a voice. From what I can see, all he ever spoke about was himself. Even once exposed he cannot be honest. His publishers/event organisers are victims of his deceit also and have their reputations tarnished, the only thing they are in the wrong over is not carrying out thorough due diligence.
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His apology or confession (whatever you want to call it) is totally pathetic. He has tried to blame it on his event promoters and claiming he was giving the victims a voice. From what I can see, all he ever spoke about was himself. Even once exposed he cannot be honest. His publishers/event organisers are victims of his deceit also and have their reputations tarnished, the only thing they are in the wrong over is not carrying out thorough due diligence.
but then agian neather did we till he turned on us.
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His apology or confession (whatever you want to call it) is totally pathetic. He has tried to blame it on his event promoters and claiming he was giving the victims a voice. From what I can see, all he ever spoke about was himself. Even once exposed he cannot be honest. His publishers/event organisers are victims of his deceit also and have their reputations tarnished, the only thing they are in the wrong over is not carrying out thorough due diligence.
I agree. He is facing civil claims at the very least and will be lucky to avoid criminal prosecution. I think he is a very worried man - he certainly should be! I will post more in due course.
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I agree. He is facing civil claims at the very least and will be lucky to avoid criminal prosecution. I think he is a very worried man - he certainly should be! I will post more in due course.
Whats the hold up? are you compiling a dossier? Tales from the living dead. A definitive guide by NGB. :))
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Whats the hold up? are you compiling a dossier? Tales from the living dead. A definitive guide by NGB. :))
;D ;D ;D
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The other day I took my old Saga Dreamcast out the loft to play the classic game the house of the dead.
I am on the Paul Harrison level.
(https://i.ibb.co/Wftvk6k/zombiepaul.png)
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Creepy isn't he ? Give you nightmares for a week.
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It seems that Paul Harrison's ex wife has also played a role in his undoing. She told the reporters that Paul Harrison first visited the USA in 1999 (the same year he left the force).
So even the photo that PH shows everyone where he claims it is him at FBI behavioural science unit in the 1980s, is a fake.
(https://www.solihullsfc.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/criminology-paul-harrison-2019b.jpg)
The photograph above is from a "lecture" he gave to criminology students at a college earlier this year.
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I have often wondered how on earth PH could expound on his idea of Jeremy and Sheilia doing the crime together.
Well here it is -
"Jeremy said he had been out shooting, he didn't say where, and that Sheila had gone with him. He told her shooting was good for getting rid of tension and let her fire off some shots. He said Sheila was a nut job and was always high as a kite, but he had the better of her and he wasn't worried about her having a rifle in her hands because he was controlling everything she did. Sheila had really enjoyed it and laughed when Jeremy told her to think of Mum and Dad's face on the target she was firing at".
"About 10 minutes later, the two of them went upstairs to shoot and kill their parents when they were asleep. Jeremy said this is where they would offer least resistance. By this stage he said Sheila wasn't with it, she was hyped up, full of passion and hatred for their parents and was making ranting and snorting noises like a mad women out of control".
"He said Sheila she was screaming and crying so he went upstairs after her and the way she was acting frightened him, (This is after she had murdered June and Nevil) she was talking about the twins being little devils and evil, she was like something possessed".
That is far worse than I imagined. How can anyone have read this book and taken it seriously?
Its extremely disrespectful to those who died regardless of who was responsible for it.
(Thanks to Holly for typing that out.)
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How disgusting is that ? I can only imagine that his book follows in the same frame of mind. Lies !
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isnt it time jackie got an apology from the people who took his word over hers.
Out of curiosity, did he actually frame Jackie for the letter or was the idea of Jackie sending it bad guess work from members here?
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Out of curiosity, did he actually frame Jackie for the letter or was the idea of Jackie sending it bad guess work from members here?
He tried to frame Jackie. Jeremy Bamber and me. He almost succeeded, but I think now people can see what happened. I will post more about what happened.
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He tried to frame Jackie. Jeremy Bamber and me. He almost succeeded, but I think now people can see what happened. I will post more about what happened.
That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.
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That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were his "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.
Not for the life of me can I think why you were under the impression that Neil was his "protector". From memory, the guy turned up, much the same as any other poster, introduced himself, said what his intentions were, and was generally welcomed by all. It's hardly surprising, then, if "all" were taken in. He was not going to announce his duplicity or reveal his true intent. It would have been counter productive. So what, if he didn't use his real name? Since when was there any rule about posters having to?
With hindsight -a truly wonderful tool- he went out of his way to ingratiate himself with those who he thought could be of use to him. He's probably not the only one here to have done so. However, there were some here who probably went out of their way to ingratiate themselves with him by offering various services which they may -or NOT!!- have been capable of delivering, and there were emails posted here which evidenced this.
To use your own words:- "I took it all at face value". So, I guess, did all the others who were taken in by him.
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Not for the life of me can I think why you were under the impression that Neil was his "protector".
The letter named Neil as Jeremy’s “protector”.
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That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.
That isn't true is it David? According to this post from Feb 2015, you were well informed on the case - even speaking to TWO lawyers about Jeremy's guilt. Hardly the green horn you're portraying above.
The Series of issues you put forward are constructed with innumerable guesses and speculations on your part. Your portraying a prosecuting version of events rather than solid unbiased facts.
I appreciate the effort you make but at the end of the day not you or anyone else can solve the White House Farm murders I realised that myself a while ago having thoroughly read about the case being swayed one way or another by flimsy circumstantial evidence and opinion I soon realised you would have to have been there that night to be certain of what happened.
I once was fairly sure of Jeremy's guilt until two lawyers told me on separate occasions that if he was on trial today he would be found not guilty. That got me thinking and the more I looked into things the more cracks and holes I found in the prosecution. At the end of the day only Jeremy knows. So if he is innocent there will always be guesses rumors and doubt. If he is guilty he is only one that can effectively solve the case by providing a detailed confession.
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It seems the people that bought his Loch Ness monster books have now got wind of things also.
http://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-word-on-paul-harrison.html (http://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-word-on-paul-harrison.html)
"It pains me to say it, but for me this business calls into question his claimed sighting of the LNM. I will say no more."
lol PH claims he saw the Loch Ness Monster.
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He was not exposed by the Sun per say. He was exposed by the FBI and the Yorkshire Ripper. Then the Sun reported it.
I doubt any investigative journalist has read up on PH here. I would have expected this much sooner had that been the case.
I wonder what prompted the FBI to help expose Paul Harrison?
"Seven ex-FBI agents who Harrison would have worked with say they have no idea who he was.
One agent Mark Safari said: “Any claim that he conducted interviews of those serial killers is completely false.”"
Several months ago I raised attention over on the Zodiac Killer forums about Paul Harrison's upcoming Zodiac Killer book, warning people not to waste any time or money on it and that he will invent claims and falsely attribute them to the deceased investigators involved. Those forums have primarily an American user base and the FBI were heavily involved in helping SFPD with the Zodiac killer right up until the early 1990s.
Perhaps some retired FBI agents got wind of Paul Harrison's planned Zodiac book and didn't want their deceased colleague's being fictionalised to glorify this weirdo. The front cover already had a quote from Detective Toschi saying - "Paul Harrison, The Zodiac expert I wish I had working on the case with me"
With such outrageous claims. Sooner or later someone was going to close the net on him.
thats funny i have seen no menttion of him on there what forum are we taling about.
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thats funny i have seen no menttion of him on there what forum are we taling about.
I posted it on a zodiac killer forum for the same reason I posted it on here (To warn people not to buy it).
I wont divulge as to what forum. As I don't want my account here connected to me there.
Why do you ask? :-\
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I posted it on a zodiac killer forum for the same reason I posted it on here (To warn people not to buy it).
I wont divulge as to what forum. As I don't want my account here connected to me there.
Why do you ask? :-\
Because your most makes it sound like you think you might have alerted the FBI about PH's claims. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Talking of the Zodiac killer. I would recommend the film. Its probably one of the best films I have seen and Its very well directed. Even if true crime is not your thing its a must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6q_MfcDEEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6q_MfcDEEE)
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It seems the fake threat letter came just three weeks after this.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5844.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5844.0.html)
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It seems the fake threat letter came just three weeks after this.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5844.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5844.0.html)
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It did. What a coincidence! :)) :)) :))
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It did. What a coincidence! :)) :)) :))
What caused the falling out? Did he get salty over his own death hoax being brought up?
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I posted it on a zodiac killer forum for the same reason I posted it on here (To warn people not to buy it).
I wont divulge as to what forum. As I don't want my account here connected to me there.
Why do you ask? :-\
becouese im als a member of the zodiac forum and nobodys ever mentioned paul harrision on there.
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Then its not the same forum I posted it on.
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What caused the falling out? Did he get salty over his own death hoax being brought up?
I missed this post hence the delay in replying. He was annoyed when I posted a detailed and totally factual report on the exchanges of messages between Harrison and Jackie P. Although this showed that Jackie had not been accurate in stating that she had not instigated contact, Harrison also came out of it very badly.
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I missed this post hence the delay in replying. He was annoyed when I posted a detailed and totally factual report on the exchanges of messages between Harrison and Jackie P. Although this showed that Jackie had not been accurate in stating that she had not instigated contact, Harrison also came out of it very badly.
So "Jackie P. had not been accurate.............." Ooooh!!! Really?!!!!! You DO surprise me ;) ;D ;D ;D
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I hope Jackie is progressing with her proposed 6 part documentary on the case. But making 5 parts about Julie identifying the twins, will be too much.
Also hope the TV drama series comes out soon.
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Well that's what too much country air and talking to horses does to people !!
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Well that's what too much country air and talking to horses does to people !!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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His book was from the outset was going to be strongly from an innocent perspective. He said that he had attended the trial and always knew that there was something dodgy about EP's handling of the case.
He said that Taff Jones had been very badly treated. This all changed at the beginning of February 2014.
He had a big bust up with the CT and no longer had access to case materials. At the same time he claimed that two months earlier he had received the letter from an ex con who had known JB in prison. However, during the two months following the alleged receipt of this letter he had continued his original stance on the case. It was only the row with the CT that caused him to reverse his position.
NGB. There might be another reason to go with this also.
Look at the date and who brought it up. :-\
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5042.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5042.0.html)
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NGB. There might be another reason to go with this also.
Look at the date and who brought it up. :-\
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5042.0.html (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5042.0.html)
That is very interesting. I am going to check something. I will post further when I have checked my emails and PMs but I think what you have posted may be significant.
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i think the ct are very lucky that he did change sides.
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That is very interesting. I am going to check something. I will post further when I have checked my emails and PMs but I think what you have posted may be significant.
Do you plan to take any action against Paul Harrison now that he was undoubtedly the typist of the letter that he showed the Express newspaper? The letter threatened to have him "destroyed" and the only person reportedly named in it was you. Without seeing the letter I can only assume he tried to portray you as the broker of the actions that would have him "destroyed".
You have your own story to tell there. He tried to frame a living Barrister (involved in the case he wrote about) as a threat to his life. All for his own sensationalism and promotion. You might want to get this story out there while the subject of PHs exposure is still a fresh topic.
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i think the ct are very lucky that he did change sides.
Indeed. His original book would have backfired on Jeremy big time.
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That is very interesting. I am going to check something. I will post further when I have checked my emails and PMs but I think what you have posted may be significant.
On 6th February, just 7 days after Harrison posted here that Stan Jones had died, he told me that he had a 5000 word interview with Stan Jones which he would use in the book. Make of that what you will.
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On 6th February, just 7 days after Harrison posted here that Stan Jones had died, he told me that he had a 5000 word interview with Stan Jones which he would use in the book. Make of that what you will.
Well that comes as no surprise.
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Not hard for me to see who PH's right-hand man was in all this :o All the wrong advice !
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Not hard for me to see who PH's right-hand man was in all this :o All the wrong advice !
Who is that Lookout? You don't actually think it was Stan Jones?
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Who is that Lookout? You don't actually think it was Stan Jones?
No it wasn't him.
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No it wasn't him.
It was he who told lies about the McCanns and was given a 3 month suspended sentence for doing so.
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It was he who told lies about the McCanns and was given a 3 month suspended sentence for doing so.
Oh, OK Lookout, not sure who that is - never really followed the Mcann case.
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It was he who told lies about the McCanns and was given a 3 month suspended sentence for doing so.
I doubt Tony Bennett had anything to do with PHs book.
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I doubt Tony Bennett had anything to do with PHs book.
He was/is a friend of PH's and is mentioned in the credits. I think they live near one another too since PH moved.
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He was/is a friend of PH's and is mentioned in the credits. I think they live near one another too since PH moved.
Thought he was a jazz singer?
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Thought he was a jazz singer?
Yeh. He was one of the Rat Pack.
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He was/is a friend of PH's and is mentioned in the credits. I think they live near one another too since PH moved.
He also mentions a mass murderer in the credits that he has never actually met.(Ronald Defeo)
"Thanks must also go to Colin, Dawn, Brett, Matthew, Archie, Liz, Fred, Beverly and Chris. Also to Ronald DeFeo, Stephen Bentley, Graham McDonald, Tony Bennett, Peter Healy, and not forgetting the talented researcher Caroline Rowland for providing additional detail on the case. A mention must go to David Chakrabarti for his knowledgeable opinion and messages of support, and to Ben Borland, Editor of the Scottish Express"
The only people that ever had contact with him are the last three mentioned, since he goes into some detail on what exactly. The rest is just baloney.
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Thought he was a jazz singer?
The proper Tony Bennett is, he was a great singer and I love all his songs.
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He also mentions a mass murderer in the credits that he has never actually met.(Ronald Defeo)
"Thanks must also go to Colin, Dawn, Brett, Matthew, Archie, Liz, Fred, Beverly and Chris. Also to Ronald DeFeo, Stephen Bentley, Graham McDonald, Tony Bennett, Peter Healy, and not forgetting the talented researcher Caroline Rowland for providing additional detail on the case. A mention must go to David Chakrabarti for his knowledgeable opinion and messages of support, and to Ben Borland, Editor of the Scottish Express"
The only people that ever had contact with him are the last three mentioned, since he goes into some detail on what exactly. The rest is just baloney.
It is. The man is a complete fraud. At least he is now exposed and his career as a true crime writer is over.
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It is. The man is a complete fraud. At least he is now exposed and his career as a true crime writer is over.
When did he ever have a career as a true crime writer? :))
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Did you know that he was once an in-patient at a psychiatric hospital ?
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I have removed a number of posts from this thread. Please avoid personal attacks and goading.
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doesnt relect that well on us that conned us in the first place though.
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doesnt relect that well on us that conned us in the first place though.
Do you mean Paul Harrison?
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Do you mean Paul Harrison?
yes paul harrision.
i include myself in that.
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yes paul harrision.
i include myself in that.
I don't think anyone should feel bad about being conned by PH. He was very plausible and those he exchanged messages with took him at face value. We can now of course see him in a different light.
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Does Hartley never post on here anymore?
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Does Hartley never post on here anymore?
I seem to remember he posted on here quite recently.
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I don't think anyone should feel bad about being conned by PH. He was very plausible and those he exchanged messages with took him at face value. We can now of course see him in a different light.
I agree. He conned Vice magazine, Urbane publications, Solihull college and Prof David Wilson to name a few. No individual should feel stupid for it.
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I seem to remember he posted on here quite recently.
OK, hopefully there will be some more case news. It seems to be all kept behind the scenes (prob not a bath thing tbh).
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OK, hopefully there will be some more case news. It seems to be all kept behind the scenes (prob not a bath thing tbh).
Things are happening albeit slowly.
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I agree. He conned Vice magazine, Urbane publications, Solihull college and Prof David Wilson to name a few. No individual should feel stupid for it.
He also conned the editor of the Scottish Sunday Express - thanked by name in the book.
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Does Hartley never post on here anymore?
I Have not seen him on here for a while.
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He also conned the editor of the Scottish Sunday Express - thanked by name in the book.
Not necessarily Neil. Considering this news outlet knowingly publishes garbage.
Aliens near Jupiter
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1060789/nasa-nuclear-robot-drill-alien-rocket-space-race-Jupiter-Europa-moon-ocean (https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1060789/nasa-nuclear-robot-drill-alien-rocket-space-race-Jupiter-Europa-moon-ocean)
End of the world
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1092206/jerusalem-third-temple-prophecy-israel-end-of-the-word-bible-prediction-jesus (https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1092206/jerusalem-third-temple-prophecy-israel-end-of-the-word-bible-prediction-jesus)
I wonder why he went to these guys. ;D
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Then its not the same forum I posted it on.
theresonly 3 to my knoeledge and he wasnt mentioned on any of them.
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theresonly 3 to ny knoeledge and he wasnt mentioned on any of them.
drs oly 3 to yr knoeledge? wht ar dem 3 to yr knoeledge?
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drs oly 3 to yr knoeledge? wht ar dem 3 to yr knoeledge?
if you think that bothers me david it doesnt.
your just showing yorself up.
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if you think that bothers me david it doesnt.
your just showing yorself up.
You wasted your time looking through three Zodiac forums, in a desperate attempt to make it seem like I was lying. That's what you call showing yourself up.
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You wasted your time looking through three Zodiac forums, in a desperate attempt to make it seem like I was lying. That's what you call showing yourself up.
well I think ive been fairly successful mind you it was helped by the fact that you were clearly lying.
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A recent detailed article about how PH was exposed.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3vedv/paul-harrison-fraud (https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3vedv/paul-harrison-fraud)
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Crackers in other words ;D
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A recent detailed article about how PH was exposed.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3vedv/paul-harrison-fraud (https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3vedv/paul-harrison-fraud)
That is a very interesting piece. I am surprised Harrison was not prosecuted for fraud. He was a liar and conman and was also very nasty and malicious. Unfortunately he was taken seriously by a number of people and he did cause harm.
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That is a very interesting piece. I am surprised Harrison was not prosecuted for fraud. He was a liar and conman and was also very nasty and malicious. Unfortunately he was taken seriously by a number of people and he did cause harm.
For a prosecution, I guess the thousands of victims would need to collectively press charges? For a £15 show ticket or a £10 book per victim, why would they bother?
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For a prosecution, I guess the thousands of victims would need to collectively press charges? For a £15 show ticket or a £10 book per victim, why would they bother?
No, there would be no need for purchasers of tickets to act collectively. All that would be needed is a complaint to the police. Ideally this would be from Harrison's publisher or from the promoter of one of his events. A club of which I am a member organised one of Harrison's bogus talks and a lot of money was spent. Although I knew he was a fraud I did not feel I had sufficient hard information at that time to warn the club. With hindsight perhaps I should at least have tried. It is a pity that it looks as if Harrison may have escaped the full consequences of his actions. He really does deserve some serious sanction. Obviously his career is wrecked and his reputation is in tatters so at least he is unlikely to be able to con people again, but because he was such a nasty piece of work and a bully I still wish he had faced criminal prosecution.
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His success was a testament to the laziness and credulity (and in some cases, gullibility) of people in general. It is easy to verify someone's bona fides, but it appears nobody bothered for quite some time. That tells me as much about those people as it does about Paul Harrison.
I can't condone what he did, but I have no sympathy for anybody who parted with money. I would certainly take a different view if someone lost serious money and suffered actual detriment due to his actions, but losing the price of a ticket or being publicly embarrassed because you organised an event or published a book without checking somebody out does not make you a victim.
Furthermore, I dispute the allegation that he committed fraud. It seems to me that most of the people who buy these sorts of books, and tickets for true crime events, are seeking entertainment, and Mr Harrison was the man for the job. He entertained them with stories and anecdotes of the sort they wanted to hear. That he wasn't the person he claimed to be may have caused red faces in some quarters, but in a sense he really was the person he claimed to be. He was acting a role, and he performed marvellously and kept them all amused, a welcome relief from their otherwise dull and ordinary lives. Whatever the law may say about it, in moral terms he delivered on what he promised. There was no fraud.
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His success was a testament to the laziness and credulity (and in some cases, gullibility) of people in general. It is easy to verify someone's bona fides, but it appears nobody bothered for quite some time. That tells me as much about those people as it does about Paul Harrison.
I can't condone what he did, but I have no sympathy for anybody who parted with money. I would certainly take a different view if someone lost serious money and suffered actual detriment due to his actions, but losing the price of a ticket or being publicly embarrassed because you organised an event or published a book without checking somebody out does not make you a victim.
Furthermore, I dispute the allegation that he committed fraud. It seems to me that most of the people who buy these sorts of books, and tickets for true crime events, are seeking entertainment, and Mr Harrison was the man for the job. He entertained them with stories and anecdotes of the sort they wanted to hear. That he wasn't the person he claimed to be may have caused red faces in some quarters, but in a sense he really was the person he claimed to be. He was acting a role, and he performed marvellously and kept them all amused, a welcome relief from their otherwise dull and ordinary lives. Whatever the law may say about it, in moral terms he delivered on what he promised. There was no fraud.
I totally disagree. A lot of genuine people were taken in by him and he profited enormously from his lies over a lengthy period. He was also vindictive and malicious and he caused direct harm to people. The cynical history of his involvement in the Bamber case is an example of that, culminating in the publication of his bogus book and the Scottish Sunday Express episode. I feel strongly that he should have been prosecuted.
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His success was a testament to the laziness and credulity (and in some cases, gullibility) of people in general. It is easy to verify someone's bona fides, but it appears nobody bothered for quite some time. That tells me as much about those people as it does about Paul Harrison.
He admitted on a facebook post that he was "sorry" for making it all up. And disgracefully tried to blame it on his event promoters and publishers.
Through most of his career he made claims involving people that were dead. For the sole reason they could not expose him. That all changed in 2018 when he started claiming he had met Peter Sutcliff, and a year later Sutcliff spoke out and that was the beginning of the end. If you give someone enough rope, they hang themselves.
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David/NGB1066:
I'm not condoning his behaviour, but I think if you take a step back from this, you'd have to acknowledge that there is a responsibility on people to perform their own due diligences and think for themselves. I don't personally believe everything people tell me, whether it is mainstream news or somebody claiming credentials or expertise. I check people out. I look into things. Then I form a view. If you tell me you're a barrister or an architect, and you are asking me to rely on this in some business we are doing, I will ring up the relevant body and check that you indeed hold the relevant qualification and are in good standing. I'm that type of person.
When I first heard about Mr Harrison while finding his book and reading it, I was immediately suspicious. His biographical claims didn't add up. If you say you were an Essex police officer who worked in specialist units and was a criminal profiler with the FBI, and you're Britain's real-life 'Cracker', or whatever else he was saying about himself (crackers more like), yet you aren't with a major publisher, you don't have a university degree, and I have never heard of you before, something there doesn't quite add up, and I am going to be contacting the FBI in the United States and the relevant police forces in Britain, and various other sources, to verify your claims. It's probably just as well for Paul Harrison that I wasn't around at the time, as I would have exposed him quite quickly. But why didn't other people check up on him?
Obviously, I appreciate that if you're just somebody buying a ticket for an event, you'll rely on the due diligence of the organisers. That's quite reasonable. If it turns out the person you went to hear speak was a charlatan, all you've lost is a few pounds, i.e. the ticket price and your travel to and from the venue. I'm not saying it's OK for people to behave like that, but it's not a big deal. You can have a good laugh about it and forget it. I would maintain that most of the people he entertained at these events came away satisfied and won't have given it a second thought. If they have any complaint, it should be against the organisers of the event and anybody else who enabled him without verifying his claims.
Similar with the book. I realised he was a pure charlatan, but at the same time, I don't begrudge him because I realise he's not the full shilling and it is what it is. Life is short. He's exposed. He's not going to be conning anybody else.
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David/NGB1066:
I'm not condoning his behaviour, but I think if you take a step back from this, you'd have to acknowledge that there is a responsibility on people to perform their own due diligences and think for themselves. I don't personally believe everything people tell me, whether it is mainstream news or somebody claiming credentials or expertise. I check people out. I look into things. Then I form a view. If you tell me you're a barrister or an architect, and you are asking me to rely on this in some business we are doing, I will ring up the relevant body and check that you indeed hold the relevant qualification and are in good standing. I'm that type of person.
When I first heard about Mr Harrison while finding his book and reading it, I was immediately suspicious. His biographical claims didn't add up. If you say you were an Essex police officer who worked in specialist units and was a criminal profiler with the FBI, and you're Britain's real-life 'Cracker', or whatever else he was saying about himself (crackers more like), yet you aren't with a major publisher, you don't have a university degree, and I have never heard of you before, something there doesn't quite add up, and I am going to be contacting the FBI in the United States and the relevant police forces in Britain, and various other sources, to verify your claims. It's probably just as well for Paul Harrison that I wasn't around at the time, as I would have exposed him quite quickly. But why didn't other people check up on him?
Obviously, I appreciate that if you're just somebody buying a ticket for an event, you'll rely on the due diligence of the organisers. That's quite reasonable. If it turns out the person you went to hear speak was a charlatan, all you've lost is a few pounds, i.e. the ticket price and your travel to and from the venue. I'm not saying it's OK for people to behave like that, but it's not a big deal. You can have a good laugh about it and forget it. I would maintain that most of the people he entertained at these events came away satisfied and won't have given it a second thought. If they have any complaint, it should be against the organisers of the event and anybody else who enabled him without verifying his claims.
Similar with the book. I realised he was a pure charlatan, but at the same time, I don't begrudge him because I realise he's not the full shilling and it is what it is. Life is short. He's exposed. He's not going to be conning anybody else.
He tried to frame a member of this forum for sending a threat letter and also defamed NGB in the press by implying he would have him killed for JBs sake.
And that's probably just the tip of the iceberg of what he has done to other people.
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He tried to frame a member of this forum for sending a threat letter and also defamed NGB in the press by implying he would have him killed for JBs sake.
And that's probably just the tip of the iceberg of what he has done to other people.
The newspaper published that story and it appears half of it was indeed true: somebody did offer to disclose an e-mail list to him. As for the threatening letter, it's obvious that he is a suspect and it was written by him. Significantly, the police never saw the letter and probably the newspaper didn't see it before publishing the story. Does/did he actually live in Orkney or is that another lie and it's a council flat in Leeds? The newspaper story doesn't say that the Forum member was behind the threats and gives that Forum member an opportunity to comment.
I don't understand why he wasn't looked into. He was making all sorts of ridiculous claims for himself that anybody with half a brain can see don't stack up. Why didn't the newspaper demand to see the letter and the Essex postmark? Why didn't Police Scotland contact him and demand to see the letter?
Come on David, you have to admit that the whole thing is just a series of people not carrying out due diligence and proper scrutiny of claims. Everybody failed, from people who got sucked in by him, to people who have a duty to check things out and didn't.
I've run into characters like him all my life, which is why I'm so suspicious of people and always ask questions and check things.
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The newspaper published that story and it appears half of it was indeed true: somebody did offer to disclose an e-mail list to him. As for the threatening letter, it's obvious that he is a suspect and it was written by him. Significantly, the police never saw the letter and probably the newspaper didn't see it before publishing the story. Does/did he actually live in Orkney or is that another lie and it's a council flat in Leeds? The newspaper story doesn't say that the Forum member was behind the threats and gives that Forum member an opportunity to comment.
I don't understand why he wasn't looked into. He was making all sorts of ridiculous claims for himself that anybody with half a brain can see don't stack up. Why didn't the newspaper demand to see the letter and the Essex postmark? Why didn't Police Scotland contact him and demand to see the letter?
Come on David, you have to admit that the whole thing is just a series of people not carrying out due diligence and proper scrutiny of claims. Everybody failed, from people who got sucked in by him, to people who have a duty to check things out and didn't.
I've run into characters like him all my life, which is why I'm so suspicious of people and always ask questions and check things.
NGB was onto him as early as 2015.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6891.msg321197.html#msg321197 (https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6891.msg321197.html#msg321197)
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The BBC have made a documentary on PH
David Wilson's Crime Files: Series 4 - Scams and Scandals: Episode 3.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0gh5gqx/david-wilsons-crime-files-series-4-scams-and-scandals-3-imposters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0gh5gqx/david-wilsons-crime-files-series-4-scams-and-scandals-3-imposters)
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/23847427.carlisle-authors-bogus-claims-feature-bbc-programme/ (https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/23847427.carlisle-authors-bogus-claims-feature-bbc-programme/)
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The BBC have made a documentary on PH
David Wilson's Crime Files: Series 4 - Scams and Scandals: Episode 3.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0gh5gqx/david-wilsons-crime-files-series-4-scams-and-scandals-3-imposters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0gh5gqx/david-wilsons-crime-files-series-4-scams-and-scandals-3-imposters)
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/23847427.carlisle-authors-bogus-claims-feature-bbc-programme/ (https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/23847427.carlisle-authors-bogus-claims-feature-bbc-programme/)
Thanks for posting the link to this. It is well worth watching and it exposes Harrison very effectively. I liked the conclusion presented that Harrison should have been prosecuted for fraud. I am not sure why he was not prosecuted, but it is a pity he was not. His crimes were not victimless and as well as being a fraudster he was a thoroughly nasty person.
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Thanks for posting the link to this. It is well worth watching and it exposes Harrison very effectively. I liked the conclusion presented that Harrison should have been prosecuted for fraud. I am not sure why he was not prosecuted, but it is a pity he was not. His crimes were not victimless and as well as being a fraudster he was a thoroughly nasty person.
Ironically he has become the subject of his own self proclaimed expertise. Criminal psychoanalysis. :))
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Ironically he has become the subject of his own self proclaimed expertise. Criminal psychoanalysis. :))
Yes, with a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder which seems very accurate to me, having had the misfortune of having to deal with him and being on the receiving end of his behaviour. It really is a shame he was not prosecuted. I suspect however that he had civil action taken against him by his publisher and event promoters.