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Title: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2011, 11:38:PM
The case of Madeleine McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on February 25, 2011, 07:59:PM
Sad beyond belief not knowing if shes alive or dead!

Poor little girl must have been so frightened and confused!

Lots of sympathy for parents they must be racked with guilt! But id never leave my daughter in an hotel room alone they are lucky the other two children wernt taken also!

Find it strange a child can dissapear without trace nobdy will ever know what happened to her now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on February 26, 2011, 04:31:PM
An extraordinary case.

I spent hundreds of hours tracking this with the help of some guys in Portugal.

I always work in to out on my assumptions, that is to say the closest route, insider knowledge and location to the crime. At one stage I came across some info that pointed towards the involvement of the parents. I emailed the relevant documentation to Leicestershire Constabulary.

The parents were totally to blame anyway, in as much that they left the children alone night after night - not to mention dropping them off at every available opportunity in the daytime, and perhaps, in doing so, created an opportunity for someone with knowledge of this.

I do not believe international gangs were involved in any way.

The police in Portugal believed, and still do believe, that the break-in to the apartment was fabricated by the McCanns.

I would be very interested to hear anyone's views on this - especially those of Mike Tesko who has taken some very good shots of the area.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 26, 2011, 04:34:PM
An extraordinary case.

I spent hundreds of hours tracking this with the help of some guys in Portugal.

I always work in to out on my assumptions, that is to say the closest route, insider knowledge and location to the crime. At one stage I came across some info that pointed towards the involvement of the parents. I emailed the relevant documentation to Leicestershire Constabulary.

The parents were totally to blame anyway, in as much that they left the children alone night after night - not to mention dropping them off at every available opportunity in the daytime, and perhaps, in doing so, created an opportunity for someone with knowledge of this.

I do not believe international gangs were involved in any way.

The police in Portugal believed, and still do believe, that the break-in to the apartment was fabricated by the McCanns.

I would be very interested to hear anyone's views on this - especially those of Mike Tesko who has taken some very good shots of the area.
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 26, 2011, 05:04:PM
Ghost of Maddie

"God bless her soul"...

She is gone, never to be returned...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 26, 2011, 05:20:PM
I hope I am wrong, but the angel known as Maddie is with god...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on February 26, 2011, 05:21:PM
Mike are we ok to start threads on any other cases now???
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 26, 2011, 05:25:PM
Mike are we ok to start threads on any other cases now???
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Yes, of course, go ahead, let the discussions begin, any case, anywhere, anytime. I am all ears...

Remember to name the case you are wanting to talk about, and start a new category...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Elizabeth on February 26, 2011, 07:25:PM
Sadly, no i don't think that little Maddie is still alive. Not after all this time  :'(.

I feel awful for writing this (in case the parents are not involved in any way), but after viewing most (if not all) of the interviews the McCann's gave to the media, i can't help but think that something fishy is going on. Gerry McCann, in particular, has acted very strange at times, and they both have said some peculiar things which just don't quite sit right. You only need know the basics of body language to get the strong impression that they know much more about what happened on that night  than they are letting on. It is a terribly sad case.

Mike, could you explain more about that picture you posted. I am not quite sure what we are supposed to be seeing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 26, 2011, 07:51:PM
Sadly, no i don't think that little Maddie is still alive. Not after all this time  :'(.

I feel awful for writing this (in case the parents are not involved in any way), but after viewing most (if not all) of the interviews the McCann's gave to the media, i can't help but think that something fishy is going on. Gerry McCann, in particular, has acted very strange at times, and they both have said some peculiar things which just don't quite sit right. You only need know the basics of body language to get the strong impression that they know much more about what happened on that night  than they are letting on. It is a terribly sad case.

Mike, could you explain more about that picture you posted. I am not quite sure what we are supposed to be seeing.
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Image of child to left / middle of picture, by edge of mattress on floor of derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on February 26, 2011, 08:00:PM
For Elizabeth,

I agree with you about the body language of the McCanns - especially that of Gerry.

One of the things I heard at the time, was that Maddies body had been disposed of before the McCann's raised the alarm.

The theory that she died in the apartment cannot be discounted.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Reader on February 27, 2011, 12:57:AM
Would anyone here have a different opinion if the McCanns took a lie detector test and passed?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Elizabeth on February 27, 2011, 01:09:AM
Thanks for that, Mike!  :(

For Sparkfilms: Yes, it does look increasingly likely that Maddie never even left that apartment. Especially when you take into account the evidence the cadaver dogs picked up there. For a long time i believed their official story and it never once crossed my mind that they could be involved. It was just unthinkable! Now though i am starting to think otherwise...like many others do. As for the wider conspiracy theories discussed on other internet sites, i am not quite ready to believe those. The realisation that they may have caused the accidental death of Maddie, then lied to the public all this time, is hard enough to stomach as it is.

Would anyone here have a different opinion if the McCanns took a lie detector test and passed?
Possibly, yes. It would certainly help matters.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2011, 01:45:PM
Would anyone here have a different opinion if the McCanns took a lie detector test and passed?
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I have to be honest, if the McCanns took a lie detector test, and passed it, I would question my logic about this case...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2011, 04:35:PM
Mike Tesko, at scene where Maddie vanished from, in late April early May 2007:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on February 27, 2011, 06:37:PM
The McCann's took something akin to a lie detector test when they answered a series of questions in Portugal accordingly....

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I may be one or two out, but this is pretty much how it was.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: zeppler53 on February 28, 2011, 09:59:PM
An extraordinary case.

I spent hundreds of hours tracking this with the help of some guys in Portugal.

I always work in to out on my assumptions, that is to say the closest route, insider knowledge and location to the crime. At one stage I came across some info that pointed towards the involvement of the parents. I emailed the relevant documentation to Leicestershire Constabulary.

The parents were totally to blame anyway, in as much that they left the children alone night after night - not to mention dropping them off at every available opportunity in the daytime, and perhaps, in doing so, created an opportunity for someone with knowledge of this.

I do not believe international gangs were involved in any way.

The police in Portugal believed, and still do believe, that the break-in to the apartment was fabricated by the McCanns.

I would be very interested to hear anyone's views on this - especially those of Mike Tesko who has taken some very good shots of the area.
I totally agree with you.The whole thing was engineered by someone,and the finger definitely points their way.Who in their right mind would have left kids in an apartment on their own,especially in a strange country.The way the McCanns acted in the days following the supposed abduction was questionable.I think the fact that they were both doctors was the reason they got such unbridled support from the british goverment,and have often wondered what the reaction would have been if it was lesser people.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lucy70 on March 01, 2011, 08:01:PM
Have read a little about this case and one of the only facts that seems to be consistently reported on is that the parents never went out and physically searched for Madelaine at any time after she was reported missing.  As a parent myself I find this fact to be really weird as I know that I would definitely be out there looking for however long it took if that was my child. Just find it kinda freaky that they never did and have to ask why that would be??
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on March 01, 2011, 08:24:PM
Would anyone here have a different opinion if the McCanns took a lie detector test and passed?

Why would anybody be swayed either way by a lie detector test? They are notoriously unreliable and are not admissible in court - at least not in a UK court. I'm afraid I get annoyed when anybody mentions them as though they add some form of "scientific" evidence to a case one way or another - they don't, and are therefore best ignored completely.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on March 01, 2011, 08:44:PM
I wondered at the time if Maddie had been kidnapped for ransom, but when the case went global so quickly the kidnapper(s) panicked and disposed of Maddie. It was said that a small boat went out to sea late one night, not long after her disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: zeppler53 on March 02, 2011, 01:12:AM
I wondered at the time if Maddie had been kidnapped for ransom, but when the case went global so quickly the kidnapper(s) panicked and disposed of Maddie. It was said that a small boat went out to sea late one night, not long after her disappearance.
Kidnap,Abduction,Murder,not a chance,at least not by a stranger.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2011, 10:50:PM
I have been to the resort, and stayed at the same hotel complex, I am not trying to defend what the McCanns did, but I can see why they thought it was safe to leave their children unsupervised inside their apartment, whilst they wined and dined, a hundred or so yards away, at the tapas bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2011, 10:27:PM
Side entrance (concrete steps) leading up to apartment 5a, where Maddie (allegedly) disappeared from on 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2011, 08:38:PM
The Church at PDL, Portugal - a "favorite haunt" of the McCann Parents...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mb1 on March 17, 2011, 02:08:AM
Mike, please could you offer further explanation of the following JPegs:

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Always thought the odd detail was Kate looking 'coiffed' and wearing different earrings every day. I was intrigued by the earrings. It meant she spent time every day carefully choosing what to put in her ears whilst her daughter was missing.

That's my only direct comment! Some people are libel happy...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 28, 2011, 08:08:PM
I have been to the resort, and stayed at the same hotel complex, I am not trying to defend what the McCanns did, but I can see why they thought it was safe to leave their children unsupervised inside their apartment, whilst they wined and dined, a hundred or so yards away, at the tapas bar...

It would have made no difference whether they had dined on the premises or in a nearby establishment, the outcome would have been the same.  Nobody asked an intruder to enter their apartment and abduct their daughter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on March 29, 2011, 10:51:PM
I have been to the resort, and stayed at the same hotel complex, I am not trying to defend what the McCanns did, but I can see why they thought it was safe to leave their children unsupervised inside their apartment, whilst they wined and dined, a hundred or so yards away, at the tapas bar...

It would have made no difference whether they had dined on the premises or in a nearby establishment, the outcome would have been the same.  Nobody asked an intruder to enter their apartment and abduct their daughter.

I read that book by that portugese copper... the one that was plastered over the tabloid front pages enjoying "boozey" lunches.  I must admit, I went 80/20 against the McCann's.  I'm not sure of the technical legal reasons for the book getting banned but they pulled it back round a bit to 70/30 when that happened.  But there was a lot of speculation in that book so maybe i'm being unfair. I'm starting to have doubts that they could bluff it out to the extent and levels that they have campaigned.  It's another puzzler this one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 01, 2011, 11:00:PM
Mike, please could you offer further explanation of the following JPegs:

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Showing front view of derelict building where suspect 'Christian B' was squatting in around the time Madeliene went missing..

1290492/93/94
Shows views from inside the derelict building, and looking out through net curtains of a front room window directly across the road to the village church where the Mccann parents took refuge at night from the press..

1290-537/527
Shows location of shallow grave in rear garden of derelict building (address -  No. 5 pescadores..)











Always thought the odd detail was Kate looking 'coiffed' and wearing different earrings every day. I was intrigued by the earrings. It meant she spent time every day carefully choosing what to put in her ears whilst her daughter was missing.

That's my only direct comment! Some people are libel happy...
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Image, 1290527 - is the location where I believe the remains of Maddie McCann were / are buried...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:33:AM
Anyone posting images of mine which they have edited will be removed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 03:34:AM
Mike, please could you offer further explanation of the following JPegs:

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1290492/93/94
1290-537/527

Always thought the odd detail was Kate looking 'coiffed' and wearing different earrings every day. I was intrigued by the earrings. It meant she spent time every day carefully choosing what to put in her ears whilst her daughter was missing.

That's my only direct comment! Some people are libel happy...
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Image, 1290527 - is the location where I believe the remains of Maddie McCann were / are buried...


That is absolute rubbish Mike and what's more you know it!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:36:AM
The church at PDL was / is a favorite haunt of the McCann parents, and I believe that the child was buried in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church...

This building, and these grounds were not searched by the police dogs during the investigation...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:37:AM
Mike, please could you offer further explanation of the following JPegs:

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Always thought the odd detail was Kate looking 'coiffed' and wearing different earrings every day. I was intrigued by the earrings. It meant she spent time every day carefully choosing what to put in her ears whilst her daughter was missing.

That's my only direct comment! Some people are libel happy...
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Image, 1290527 - is the location where I believe the remains of Maddie McCann were / are buried...


That is absolute rubbish Mike and what's more you know it!
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Its rubbish that the parents claim they know nothing about what really happened to their daughter...

Anyway, whats your rubbish theory?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 03:37:AM
So how do you know that?   Were you with them?  Now you are being simply silly!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:39:AM
Once that derelict building and its grounds are searched, it will be officially identified as the place where they disposed of the body...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 03:40:AM
Mike, please could you offer further explanation of the following JPegs:

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Always thought the odd detail was Kate looking 'coiffed' and wearing different earrings every day. I was intrigued by the earrings. It meant she spent time every day carefully choosing what to put in her ears whilst her daughter was missing.

That's my only direct comment! Some people are libel happy...
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Image, 1290527 - is the location where I believe the remains of Maddie McCann were / are buried...


That is absolute rubbish Mike and what's more you know it!
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Its rubbish that the parents claim they know nothing about what really happened to their daughter...

Anyway, whats your rubbish theory?

Why would that be exactly?  They know she was in bed when they checked and then she was gone when they went back some time later.  What else were they expected to do?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 03:42:AM
Once that derelict building and its grounds are searched, it will be officially identified as the place where they disposed of the body...

All areas have been searched Mike, your assertion to the contrary is just nonsense. Maddy isn't buried anywhere and it is disingenuous for you to say she is when you haven't the slightest proof of this.  What you believe and what is fact are two different things Mike I am afraid.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:46:AM
Mike, please could you offer further explanation of the following JPegs:

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Always thought the odd detail was Kate looking 'coiffed' and wearing different earrings every day. I was intrigued by the earrings. It meant she spent time every day carefully choosing what to put in her ears whilst her daughter was missing.

That's my only direct comment! Some people are libel happy...
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Image, 1290527 - is the location where I believe the remains of Maddie McCann were / are buried...


That is absolute rubbish Mike and what's more you know it!
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Its rubbish that the parents claim they know nothing about what really happened to their daughter...

Anyway, whats your rubbish theory?

Why would that be exactly?  They know she was in bed when they checked and then she was gone when they went back some time later.  What else were they expected to do?
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Yes, she was gone by the time Kate went back to the apartment, but the parents and some of their friends knew about it, and what happened. Where do you want to start, at what stage do you want to start talking about this case? My theory is not rubbish, its been well researched and investigated. The parents have not told the truth, and at one stage even Kate was saying that the police would find Maddie's body in a drain down by the coastline / shore...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:47:AM
Once that derelict building and its grounds are searched, it will be officially identified as the place where they disposed of the body...

All areas have been searched Mike, your assertion to the contrary is just nonsense. Maddy isn't buried anywhere and it is disingenuous for you to say she is when you haven't the slightest proof of this.  What you believe and what is fact are two different things Mike I am afraid.
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You wait and see...

Parents will have to face the music at some point, I'm afraid...

This is the drain where Kate told an interpretor that the police would find Maddie's body:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:52:AM
Why would Kate be saying that Maddie's body would be found in this drain?

Where did she get that information from?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 03:56:AM
Here are some more views of the drain where Kate said the body of Maddie would be found:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:00:AM
Look what building is in the background - its the church at PDL, a favorite haunt of the McCann parents...

Now, why would Kate be telling an interpreter that her daughters body would be found in this drain, if she did not know or believe that her body had been / was there at and by that stage?

Did she just make it up?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:03:AM
Or...

Do you think Kate was referring to another drain, in the area not a horizontal drain, but one of several vertical drains on that part of the shoreline?

I will post photographs of these additional vertical drains in due course, but for the time being I would like to familiarize everyone with the general layout of the area surrounding this horizontal drain near to the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 02, 2011, 04:13:AM
Mike, the parents are supposed to be very religous. Dont you think they would have given her a decent burial, and certainly not of put her down a drain.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:17:AM
Mike, the parents are supposed to be very religous. Dont you think they would have given her a decent burial, and certainly not of put her down a drain.
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Her remains are not down the drain - this drain was searched by the police and their dogs, and by volunteers, but I mention it because that is where Kate told the interpreter that they would find Maddie's body...

Now my point is, why would she have been suggesting this / that?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:21:AM
Lets look back in the direction of the viewpoint where the horizontal drain where Kate said the body of Maddie would be found:-

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:24:AM
The church is on the left of the road, and the car hire shop where the McCanns later hired the car that became a focus for the Portuguese investigation is located just out of shot, on the right hand side...

Viewpoint where Horizontal drain is located is down at the bottom of the hill towards sea...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:26:AM
Another view:-

The location of the derelict building that I have been talking about is situated on the right of this road that leads down to the viewpoint, and located directly opposite the church at PDL...

It was inside the church that the McCann parents appeared to find sanctuary - within a stones throw of the derelict building and its grounds, and of course,m the drains which are dotted around the coastline, not too far away...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:29:AM
It was in this direction, that Kate told an interpretor that Maddie's body would be found in the drain...

Acting on this information, the police searched the drain and found no body there...

But was kate referring to a different drain?

How many drains are / were there in that area, or along that part of the shoreline?

Certainly one  huge horizontal drain there, and several vertical drains, which became of interest to me when  I visited the scene...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 02, 2011, 04:40:AM
Any thereories of how Maddie died
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:42:AM
Any thereories of how Maddie died
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Yes, of course, don't most people?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:45:AM
Here are a few images of the derelict building that I believe became the focus for where / how the body of Maddie was disposed of:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:48:AM
The church is directly across the road from this derelict building...

If you were stood inside the derelict building, and you looked out through the window, directly across the street is the church, as shown by the following views:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:54:AM
It was inside this derelict building that I took a photograph which I call or refer to as "the ghost of Maddie":-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:59:AM
If you were stood inside the church, and you looked back through its doors, you would see the derelict building across the road:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 02, 2011, 05:00:AM
Most people may have a theory, but I dont have a clue. If it was an accident, which I assume it was surely the parents would have said. These things can happen on holiday when your guard is down. Yes it was stupid to leave the children alone, but they must have thought it safe, as they were close by.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 05:03:AM
Most people may have a theory, but I dont have a clue. If it was an accident, which I assume it was surely the parents would have said. These things can happen on holiday when your guard is down. Yes it was stupid to leave the children alone, but they must have thought it safe, as they were close by.
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Parents have been criticized for leaving their children in their apartment, but so did the other group members who had children - but the others did not leave the door to their apartment open and unlocked...

Why would you go out and leave your children in the apartment, alone at night and leave the door unlocked?

Who knew that the door to the apartment was left unlocked?

Kate?

Jerry?

Who else / and when?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 05:08:AM
You would not believe how much rotting vegetation and piles of rubbish there was / is strewn about behind the walls of the derelict building that I have drawn everyones attention to...

Its the kind of place where you could easily conceal or hide the body of a small child, at least temporarily...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 05:10:AM
Yes, the parents were very religious, and the church / derelict building across the road / and the drains in the area are all linked to Maddie's disappearance that night...

at least in my view...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 05:12:AM
By the time Kate got around to confessing to the interpreter that the body of Maddie would be found in the drain near the viewpoint - it of course had already been moved and concealed in the grounds of the derelict building across the road from the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 05:23:AM
Church at PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 10:10:AM
The horizontal drain, the derelict building and the church at PDL, are situated and located very close to one another - Movement of a body, or people between one or other under the cover of darkness would be a relatively simple exercise to complete...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 12:04:PM
Lovely snaps Mike but that's where the reality ends in what you posted.  I wonder does the fact that yesterday was 1st April have anything to do with such nonsense??   ;) ;)

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Fact:  There is no evidence of any sort that Maddy is dead.  On the other hand there is every possibility that she is alive and well and was indeed abducted from her parents apartment.

Kate never confessed to anyone about Maddy's death, any mention of a drain (if such ever took place in the first place) is pure speculation and being used out of all context.

Nice try though !!  :)  :)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on April 02, 2011, 12:58:PM

Image, 1290527 - is the location where I believe the remains of Maddie McCann were / are buried...
Why didn't you did them up then?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on April 02, 2011, 01:00:PM
The McCann's took something akin to a lie detector test when they answered a series of questions in Portugal accordingly....

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I may be one or two out, but this is pretty much how it was.
What questions were they asked?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:31:PM
Lovely snaps Mike but that's where the reality ends in what you posted.  I wonder does the fact that yesterday was 1st April have anything to do with such nonsense??   ;) ;)

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Fact:  There is no evidence of any sort that Maddy is dead.  On the other hand there is every possibility that she is alive and well and was indeed abducted from her parents apartment.

Kate never confessed to anyone about Maddy's death, any mention of a drain (if such ever took place in the first place) is pure speculation and being used out of all context.

Nice try though !!  :)  :)
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The only April fool is you, because Kate did tell an interpreter that Maddie was dead, and that her body would be found in a drain near to the viewpoint...

A witness statement exists from the interpreter, explaining that once |Kate confided in him, that he reported the matter to the police in Portugal...

Get your facts right...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 04:34:PM
The substance of the reply is irrelevant since it is the physiological reaction by the body that the detector responds to.

A "no comment" reply can consequently still provide a negative or a positive result to which the tester can respond appropriately.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 04:35:PM
Maddie is dead, even Kate believed she was dead, hence why she told the interpreter that her body was being hidden and concealed in the drain down by the viewpoint...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 04:47:PM
Maddie is dead, even Kate believed she was dead, hence why she told the interpreter that her body was being hidden and concealed in the drain down by the viewpoint...

If Kate is aware that Maddy is dead why prolong the issue as they have done.  Best thing would be to go away quietly since they would have nothing to gain.

The McCann's obviously don't believe this for a minute contrary to what you state Mike on the basis of what some Portuguese interpreter was supposed to have heard.  I am well versed in relation to Portuguese and Spanish interpreting and I certainly would not trust anything which is interpreted as being anywhere near to the meaning to that originally stated. Many English words have no equivalent in Portuguese and Spanish which means that interpreters have to compensate by introducing words which are alien to the original comment.

Kate probably said that if she is dead she could be in a drain or something to that effect, the possibilities are boundless.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 05:56:PM
Maddie is dead, even Kate believed she was dead, hence why she told the interpreter that her body was being hidden and concealed in the drain down by the viewpoint...

If Kate is aware that Maddy is dead why prolong the issue as they have done.  Best thing would be to go away quietly since they would have nothing to gain.

The McCann's obviously don't believe this for a minute contrary to what you state Mike on the basis of what some Portuguese interpreter was supposed to have heard.  I am well versed in relation to Portuguese and Spanish interpreting and I certainly would not trust anything which is interpreted as being anywhere near to the meaning to that originally stated. Many English words have no equivalent in Portuguese and Spanish which means that interpreters have to compensate by introducing words which are alien to the original comment.

Kate probably said that if she is dead she could be in a drain or something to that effect, the possibilities are boundless.
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Kate did say that Maddie was dead, and she told the police interpreter that her body would be found in the drain near the viewpoint - see Amarrals book for confirmation...

The Portuguese police searched the very drain that Kate told the interpreter about soon after she disclosed this information...

The interpreter spoke very good English and would have had no problem interpreting what Kate said to him - as far as I know, when Kate spoke to the interpreter, she did not speak in Portuguese tongue, but plain English...

I can't see how the interpreter misunderstood anything that Kate told him, if she spoke the words in simple and straight forward English, and the interpreter could speak English fluently...

"Maddie is dead, and her body is in the drain down near the viewpoint" - what more could Kate have said that could have been so misleading to the interpreter?

The interpreter said that Kate was very distressed when she called him on the telephone and started to speak to him about these matters...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 06:09:PM
Kate did say that Maddie was dead, and she told the police interpreter that her body would be found in the drain near the viewpoint - see Amarrals book for confirmation...

The Portuguese police searched the very drain that Kate told the interpreter about soon after she disclosed this information...

The interpreter spoke very good English and would have had no problem interpreting what Kate said to him - as far as I know, when Kate spoke to the interpreter, she did not speak in Portuguese tongue, but plain English...

I can't see how the interpreter misunderstood anything that Kate told him, if she spoke the words in simple and straight forward English, and the interpreter could speak English fluently...

"Maddie is dead, and her body is in the drain down near the viewpoint" - what more could Kate have said that could have been so misleading to the interpreter?

I don't think we can what Amarrals says with much confidence since all he is interested in is the money.  He is entitled to his version just as the McCann's are entitled to theirs. I know which one I would believe.

In relation to interpreting you obviously haven't experienced how words and phrases can be misinterpreted in the real world.

Eg. The addition of the little word 'if' makes the meaning of the whole sentence completely different.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 06:22:PM
Kate did say that Maddie was dead, and she told the police interpreter that her body would be found in the drain near the viewpoint - see Amarrals book for confirmation...

The Portuguese police searched the very drain that Kate told the interpreter about soon after she disclosed this information...

The interpreter spoke very good English and would have had no problem interpreting what Kate said to him - as far as I know, when Kate spoke to the interpreter, she did not speak in Portuguese tongue, but plain English...

I can't see how the interpreter misunderstood anything that Kate told him, if she spoke the words in simple and straight forward English, and the interpreter could speak English fluently...

"Maddie is dead, and her body is in the drain down near the viewpoint" - what more could Kate have said that could have been so misleading to the interpreter?

I don't think we can what Amarrals says with much confidence since all he is interested in is the money.  He is entitled to his version just as the McCann's are entitled to theirs. I know which one I would believe.

In relation to interpreting you obviously haven't experienced how words and phrases can be misinterpreted in the real world.

Eg. The addition of the little word 'if' makes the meaning of the whole sentence completely different.
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If Kate was not speaking Portuguese when she telephoned the interpreter up, and said that Maddie was dead, and that the police would find her body in the drain, I do not think there can be much doubt about what Kate said, or what she meant...

As far as I know, Kate has never denied that she did not say these things to the police interpreter - Kate refused to answer any questions when taken in for interviewing...

So, because she has not officially denied saying those things, I choose to believe that she did say them, and that this gives something of an insight into her mind, and that she must have had possession of some information about whether or not, Maddie was dead or alive by that stage...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 06:30:PM
What she said or didn't say is pure speculation and nothing can be taken from it either way. I have found from experience with dealing with foreigners in legal issues that the spoken word is never interpreted properly.  As I have already said, there are some words which do not translate from english to Spanish or Portuguese.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 06:39:PM
What she said or didn't say is pure speculation and nothing can be taken from it either way. I have found from experience with dealing with foreigners in legal issues that the spoken word is never interpreted properly.  As I have already said, there are some words which do not translate from english to Spanish or Portuguese.
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I think when Kate said, that Maddie was dead, and her body was in the drain near the viewpoint, that there would n't have been much wrong with the spoken English used by Kate, and spoken to the interpreter, it was so clear cut, that the police went to the drain in question, and checked out what Kate had told the interpreter...

So, what could Kate have actually said to make the interpreter think she had said that Maddie was dead, and that her body would be found in that drain ( I speak English, so please give me your explanation in English)...?


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 06:48:PM
Kate could have said the moon is made of cheese and they would have believed her.

It isn't ....is it ??   ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 06:49:PM
Kate contacted the interpreter during the early hours of the morning, by telephone, and admitted to him that Maddie was dead, and her body would be found in the drain - I choose to believe that until Kate gives her own account and explanation...

I would like to hear from Kate's own mouth, in her own words, what she says she said to the interpreter, on that occasion?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 06:50:PM
Kate contacted the interpreter during the early hours of the morning, by telephone, and admitted to him that Maddie was dead, and her body would be found in the drain - I choose to believe that until Kate gives her own account and explanation...

I would like to hear from Kate's own mouth, in her own words, what she says she said to the interpreter, on that occasion?

Why would Kate tell a complete stranger such a thing?   It just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 06:52:PM
Kate could have said the moon is made of cheese and they would have believed her.

It isn't ....is it ??   ;D
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I know that, but why did Kate phone the police interpretor up in the middle of the night, and tell him that Maddie was dead, and that her body would be found in the drain near the viewpoint?

Lets also look at this from  a different point of view, or perspective, that area where that horizontal drain is situated and located, became a Favorite haunt of both McCann parents, as well as St Vincents Church - across the road from the grounds of the derelict building where the remains of Maddie were / are disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 06:55:PM
Kate contacted the interpreter during the early hours of the morning, by telephone, and admitted to him that Maddie was dead, and her body would be found in the drain - I choose to believe that until Kate gives her own account and explanation...

I would like to hear from Kate's own mouth, in her own words, what she says she said to the interpreter, on that occasion?

Why would Kate tell a complete stranger such a thing?   It just doesn't add up.
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The police interpreter was not a stranger to Kate, he was well known to her, and she had his telephone number, so that she could contact him at a moments notice, and on that occasion whilst Jerry was away on business, Kate called the interpreter and said what she said...

It left the Portuguese police in no doubt at all from that point onwards, that Kate knew that Maddie was dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 06:56:PM
Kate could have said the moon is made of cheese and they would have believed her.

It isn't ....is it ??   ;D
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I know that, but why did Kate phone the police interpretor up in the middle of the night, and tell him that Maddie was dead, and that her body would be found in the drain near the viewpoint?

Lets also look at this from  a different point of view, or perspective, that area where that horizontal drain is situated and located, became a Favorite haunt of both McCann parents, as well as St Vincents Church - across the road from the grounds of the derelict building where the remains of Maddie were / are disposed of...

There are no remains and if there were, they certainly were not disposed of where you indicate.

I assume you have no children of your own Mike since you don't seem to understand what is involved here.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 06:58:PM
Kate contacted the interpreter during the early hours of the morning, by telephone, and admitted to him that Maddie was dead, and her body would be found in the drain - I choose to believe that until Kate gives her own account and explanation...

I would like to hear from Kate's own mouth, in her own words, what she says she said to the interpreter, on that occasion?

Why would Kate tell a complete stranger such a thing?   It just doesn't add up.
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The police interpreter was not a stranger to Kate, he was well known to her, and she had his telephone number, so that she could contact him at a moments notice, and on that occasion whilst Jerry was away on business, Kate called the interpreter and said what she said...

It left the Portuguese police in no doubt at all from that point onwards, that Kate knew that Maddie was dead...

So why phone him in any event if Jerry was away on business?

If Kate was hell bent on confessing as you are trying to imply, why do it to a Portuguese cop anyway?  Doesn't add up at all!

She probably dreamt that Maddy may have slipped down a drain and that is why she was asking them to search the outfall.  The daft cop probably thought she was saying she was dead and in the drain....happens all the time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:01:PM
Kate contacted the interpreter during the early hours of the morning, by telephone, and admitted to him that Maddie was dead, and her body would be found in the drain - I choose to believe that until Kate gives her own account and explanation...

I would like to hear from Kate's own mouth, in her own words, what she says she said to the interpreter, on that occasion?

Why would Kate tell a complete stranger such a thing?   It just doesn't add up.
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The police interpreter was not a stranger to Kate, he was well known to her, and she had his telephone number, so that she could contact him at a moments notice, and on that occasion whilst Jerry was away on business, Kate called the interpreter and said what she said...

It left the Portuguese police in no doubt at all from that point onwards, that Kate knew that Maddie was dead...

So why phone him in any event if Jerry was away on business?
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She phoned him because she could not live with the truth about what they had done, and she was a breaking point - the only reason she pulled herself together afterwards was because they didn't find Maddie's body there, it had been moved to its present location without the others telling her about it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:02:PM
Kate contacted the interpreter during the early hours of the morning, by telephone, and admitted to him that Maddie was dead, and her body would be found in the drain - I choose to believe that until Kate gives her own account and explanation...

I would like to hear from Kate's own mouth, in her own words, what she says she said to the interpreter, on that occasion?

Why would Kate tell a complete stranger such a thing?   It just doesn't add up.
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The police interpreter was not a stranger to Kate, he was well known to her, and she had his telephone number, so that she could contact him at a moments notice, and on that occasion whilst Jerry was away on business, Kate called the interpreter and said what she said...

It left the Portuguese police in no doubt at all from that point onwards, that Kate knew that Maddie was dead...

So why phone him in any event if Jerry was away on business?

If Kate was hell bent on confessing as you are trying to imply, why do it to a Portuguese cop anyway?  Doesn't add up at all!
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You should direct your question at Kate, and I would be very interested in her answer...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:04:PM
Here are some more photographs that I took in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL - to this day it still has not been properly searched and excavated:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:05:PM
Here are some more photographs that I took in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL - to this day it still has not been properly searched and excavated:-

How would you possibly know that?

According to your logic, the McCanns set about excavating ground in the middle of the night in order to bury their dead child.  Ever tried to excavate concrete with a spade?

I must say, they must be magic!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:11:PM


She phoned him because she could not live with the truth about what they had done, and she was a breaking point - the only reason she pulled herself together afterwards was because they didn't find Maddie's body there, it had been moved to its present location without the others telling her about it...

Ever hear of a sniffer doggy?   They find human remains.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:12:PM
Here are some more photographs that I took in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL - to this day it still has not been properly searched and excavated:-

How would you possibly know that?

According to your logic, the McCanns set about excavating ground in the middle of the night in order to bury their dead child.  Ever tried to excavate concrete with a spade?

I must say, they must be magic!!
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I never said they started to excavate the ground on the night of Maddies so called disappearance, you said that not me...

The truth of the matter is that Jerry carried off Maddie and concealed her body in another horizontal drain located further along the coastline near to where small fishing boats are  moored up each evening, and later moved to the derelict building...

Later still, with use of the hire car that was hired from the premises just up the road from the church / derelict building, they disposed of evidence by taking it away in the boot of the hire car...

The hire car was often parked up across the road from the church, and adjacent to the derelict building - providing an ideal opportunity to carry away evidence from the scene in the boot...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:14:PM


She phoned him because she could not live with the truth about what they had done, and she was a breaking point - the only reason she pulled herself together afterwards was because they didn't find Maddie's body there, it had been moved to its present location without the others telling her about it...

Ever hear of a sniffer doggy?   They find human remains.
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Police dogs did not search the drain where Jerry took and concealed Maddie's body on the night of her disappearance, nor did those dogs search the derelict building opposite the church at PDL - they only searched waste land along that part of the coast...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:16:PM
Kate could have said the moon is made of cheese and they would have believed her.

It isn't ....is it ??   ;D
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I know that, but why did Kate phone the police interpretor up in the middle of the night, and tell him that Maddie was dead, and that her body would be found in the drain near the viewpoint?

Lets also look at this from  a different point of view, or perspective, that area where that horizontal drain is situated and located, became a Favorite haunt of both McCann parents, as well as St Vincents Church - across the road from the grounds of the derelict building where the remains of Maddie were / are disposed of...

There are no remains and if there were, they certainly were not disposed of where you indicate.

I assume you have no children of your own Mike since you don't seem to understand what is involved here.
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You wait until the police find those remains in the grounds of that derelict building, we'll see what you have to say about it then...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:18:PM
Does anybody recognize any of the clothing found at the scene?

To whom did these articles of clothing belong to and why did someone discard them in a plastic bag inside the building?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 02, 2011, 07:19:PM
Mike I respect your opinion, but I think you are a mile away.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:21:PM
Some more images taken from inside the grounds of the derelict building:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:22:PM
You don't really have a clue about being a parent have you Mike?   No decent parent would do such a thing to their child in the manner you describe.

A properly trained sniffer dog can find human remains very easily.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:27:PM
You don't really have a clue about being a parent have you Mike?   No decent parent would do such a thing to their child in the manner you describe.
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The truth about what really happened to Maddie McCann is coming out very soon, you wait and see, and when  it does, remember these words that you keep speaking...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:28:PM
You don't really have a clue about being a parent have you Mike?   No decent parent would do such a thing to their child in the manner you describe.

A properly trained sniffer dog can find human remains very easily.
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No sniffer dogs searched this derelict building or its grounds...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:30:PM
You don't really have a clue about being a parent have you Mike?   No decent parent would do such a thing to their child in the manner you describe.

A properly trained sniffer dog can find human remains very easily.
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No sniffer dogs searched this derelict building or its grounds...


Of course they did, that would be one of the first places they searched.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:32:PM
You don't really have a clue about being a parent have you Mike?   No decent parent would do such a thing to their child in the manner you describe.
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The truth about what really happened to Maddie McCann is coming out very soon, you wait and see, and when  it does, remember these words that you keep speaking...

I don't think so unless she is found safe and well which I hope she is. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 02, 2011, 07:43:PM
Mike you are a diamond, full of c. How do you spell carbon, Oh I know
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:44:PM
On another point, I assume you have never excavated ground in Portugal. If you had you would know that you can barely get down a few inches without meeting solid resistance. Why do you think the Portuguese and Spanish inter their dead in specially constructed vaults in cemeteries.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:46:PM
You don't really have a clue about being a parent have you Mike?   No decent parent would do such a thing to their child in the manner you describe.

A properly trained sniffer dog can find human remains very easily.
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No sniffer dogs searched this derelict building or its grounds...
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They did not search that building or its grounds, and there were many other derelict buildings which were not searched, and still have not been searched - so I don't know where you are getting your facts from - please direct me to any evidence that shows or proves that sniffer dogs searched these premises and when?

The dates and times these premises were supposedly searched and checked may be important, so please try and get your facts right...

Sniffer dogs only followed trail from apartment down in the general direction of th Spar supermarket...




Of course they did, that would be one of the first places they searched.

The whole town was searched as a matter of procedure. I am surprised that you didn't know this?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:47:PM
On another point, I assume you have never excavated ground in Portugal. If you had you would know that you can barely get down a few inches without meeting solid resistance. Why do you think the Portuguese and Spanish inter their dead in specially constructed vaults in cemeteries.
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If you were paying attention, you would note the presence of the metal bar that was used to dig the grave where the remains of Maddie were / are buried...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:49:PM
On another point, I assume you have never excavated ground in Portugal. If you had you would know that you can barely get down a few inches without meeting solid resistance. Why do you think the Portuguese and Spanish inter their dead in specially constructed vaults in cemeteries.
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If you were paying attention, you would note the presence of the metal bar that was used to dig the grave where the remains of Maddie were / are buried...

And there was me thinking you knew something about the case.    ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:50:PM
You don't really have a clue about being a parent have you Mike?   No decent parent would do such a thing to their child in the manner you describe.

A properly trained sniffer dog can find human remains very easily.
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No sniffer dogs searched this derelict building or its grounds...
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They did not search that building or its grounds, and there were many other derelict buildings which were not searched, and still have not been searched - so I don't know where you are getting your facts from - please direct me to any evidence that shows or proves that sniffer dogs searched these premises and when?

The dates and times these premises were supposedly searched and checked may be important, so please try and get your facts right...

Sniffer dogs only followed trail from apartment down in the general direction of th Spar supermarket...




Of course they did, that would be one of the first places they searched.

The whole town was searched as a matter of procedure. I am surprised that you didn't know this?
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The grounds of the derelict building were not searched after they moved Maddie's body there, from the horizontal drain along the coastline...

You need to tell me when they searched the derelict building, give me the date and time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:52:PM
It was searched shortly after the abduction and again later when specialised dogs were brought in.  Could have been searched again by many others just like you did!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 02, 2011, 07:54:PM
Mike, B o double l o c ks
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:55:PM
Lovely snaps Mike but that's where the reality ends in what you posted.  I wonder does the fact that yesterday was 1st April have anything to do with such nonsense??   ;) ;)

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Fact:  There is no evidence of any sort that Maddy is dead.  On the other hand there is every possibility that she is alive and well and was indeed abducted from her parents apartment.

Kate never confessed to anyone about Maddy's death, any mention of a drain (if such ever took place in the first place) is pure speculation and being used out of all context.

Nice try though !!  :)  :)
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The only April fool is you, because Kate did tell an interpreter that Maddie was dead, and that her body would be found in a drain near to the viewpoint...

A witness statement exists from the interpreter, explaining that once |Kate confided in him, that he reported the matter to the police in Portugal...

Get your facts right...

Hearsay old boy!     ...merely hearsay and in a foreign language to-boot!!    ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:55:PM
Mike, B o double l o c ks

Aprils fools day was yesterday.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:57:PM
It was searched shortly after the abduction and again later when specialised dogs were brought in.  Could have been searched again by many others just like you did!
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No it wasn't...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 07:58:PM
It was searched shortly after the abduction and again later when specialised dogs were brought in.  Could have been searched again by many others just like you did!
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No it wasn't...


Prove it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 07:58:PM
They dug the hole in the grounds of the derelict building and they put Maddie's remains in there...

It was easy sneaking across the road from the church in the middle of the night...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 08:00:PM
It was searched shortly after the abduction and again later when specialised dogs were brought in.  Could have been searched again by many others just like you did!
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No it wasn't...


Prove it?
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It can be proven, by reference to the search records, on the Portuguese files...

The police and their dogs did not search the derelict building across the road from St Vincents church at all...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 08:03:PM
It was searched shortly after the abduction and again later when specialised dogs were brought in.  Could have been searched again by many others just like you did!
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No it wasn't...


Prove it?
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It can be proven, by reference to the search records, on the Portuguese files...

The police and their dogs did not search the derelict building across the road from St Vincents church at all...

Nice try but as I said before, not likely that they missed an area.

The cops are not in the habit of keeping records of every pothole and cranny that they search so proving this one way or another is a non starter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 08:24:PM
Maddie's remains will be found in this building and its grounds...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 08:33:PM
What both?   has it been dismembered then too ?

Maddie is alive and well and nothing you can say will ever change that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 08:36:PM
What both?   has it been dismembered then too ?

Maddie is alive and well and nothing you can say will ever change that.
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She is not alive, they killed her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 08:58:PM
So now they killed her and it wasn't an accident?

I thought you knew what you were talking about Mike but now I am having serious reservations.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 09:01:PM
So now they killed her and it wasn't an accident?

I thought you knew what you were talking about Mike but now I am having serious reservations.
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I do know what I am talking about...

She is dead, and they got rid of the body - if it was an accident then why did they get rid of the body and introduce a false story about Maddie being abducted from the apartment, whilst they were out dining with their friends?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 09:07:PM
So now they killed her and it wasn't an accident?

I thought you knew what you were talking about Mike but now I am having serious reservations.
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I do know what I am talking about...

She is dead, and they got rid of the body - if it was an accident then why did they get rid of the body and introduce a false story about Maddie being abducted from the apartment, whilst they were out dining with their friends?

Why on earth would a decent couple like the McCann's want to go on holiday with friends and then kill their eldest child.  Fantasy is what that is Mike!

What possible motive could they have?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 02, 2011, 09:10:PM
So now they killed her and it wasn't an accident?

I thought you knew what you were talking about Mike but now I am having serious reservations.
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I do know what I am talking about...

She is dead, and they got rid of the body - if it was an accident then why did they get rid of the body and introduce a false story about Maddie being abducted from the apartment, whilst they were out dining with their friends?

Why on earth would a decent couple like the McCann's want to go on holiday with friends and then kill their eldest child.  Fantasy is what that is Mike!

What possible motive could they have?
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They helped get rid of the body after Maddie died, suggesting that they played some role in her death...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 02, 2011, 09:27:PM
In answer to the poll - no, Madeleine is not alive. In my opinion she died either from two reasons - sedation gone wrong (the most likely) or that she was hit/pushed/shoved too hard probably by Kate through stress/exasperation/exhaustion.

I believe the abduction was simulated and Madeleine's poor body was hidden because the Post Mortem would have shown up the sedation drugs or evidence of abuse, or both.

I think the Tapas group all know what happened, with the exception of Diane Webster. They are in on it because they were also sedating their kids, if found out, they would lose their medical careers and have their children taken into care.

As for where Madeleine is, I believe they put her out to sea and her body will never be found.

To be frank, I can't bear the sight of Kate or Gerry, I find them despicable. I hold much hope that they'll be bought to justice one day, and I believe this will happen eventually.




 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 10:23:PM
In answer to the poll - no, Madeleine is not alive. In my opinion she died either from two reasons - sedation gone wrong (the most likely) or that she was hit/pushed/shoved too hard probably by Kate through stress/exasperation/exhaustion.

I believe the abduction was simulated and Madeleine's poor body was hidden because the Post Mortem would have shown up the sedation drugs or evidence or abuse, or both.

I think the Tapas group all know what happened, with the exception of Diane Webster. They are in on it because they were also sedating their kids, if found out, they would lose their medical careers and have their children taken into care.

As for where Madeleine is, I believe they put her out to sea and her body will never be found.

To be frank, I can't bear the sight of Kate or Gerry, I find them despicable. I hold much hope that they'll be bought to justice one day, and I believe this will happen eventually.

Well at least that dispels Mike's theory that she is buried in a corner of a disused garden.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: arlosmum on April 03, 2011, 09:46:AM
Have a read of the McCann files.com. (sorry, can't do the link thingy)
The Forbidden Investigation gives a really good account of what happened, according to the Portugese police officer in charge, at the time.
It's quite harrowing, in places, but well worth looking at.
He retired early after he was removed from the case. Probably due to Diplomatic pressure from England.
I have to say, he has convinced me, particularly with regard to the Smith family, and what they saw.......
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:48:AM
In answer to the poll - no, Madeleine is not alive. In my opinion she died either from two reasons - sedation gone wrong (the most likely) or that she was hit/pushed/shoved too hard probably by Kate through stress/exasperation/exhaustion.

I believe the abduction was simulated and Madeleine's poor body was hidden because the Post Mortem would have shown up the sedation drugs or evidence or abuse, or both.

I think the Tapas group all know what happened, with the exception of Diane Webster. They are in on it because they were also sedating their kids, if found out, they would lose their medical careers and have their children taken into care.

As for where Madeleine is, I believe they put her out to sea and her body will never be found.

To be frank, I can't bear the sight of Kate or Gerry, I find them despicable. I hold much hope that they'll be bought to justice one day, and I believe this will happen eventually.

Well at least that dispels Mike's theory that she is buried in a corner of a disused garden.
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You mark my words, they concealed the body of Maddie in one of the two horizontal drains along that part of the coast, and then moved her remains into the grounds of the derelict building, and from there evidence was carried off in the boot of the hire car, from that location...

Scoff all you like - the McCanns know what they did, and they know Maddie is dead..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 12:53:PM
Not only have I studied this case in depth, but I have visited the scene and carried out an intense investigation of my own, which has led me to conclude that the parents and others knew and know what actually happened to Poor little Maddie McCann...

She is dead...

She ain't ever going to be found alive...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 02:27:PM
<snip> the parents and others knew and know what actually happened to Poor little Maddie McCann...

She is dead...

She ain't ever going to be found alive...

Yes, I'm certain of it too :(.

One of the biggest giveaways for me was Kate and Gerry's immediate anger and discrediting of the EVRD dogs. Just imagine your own child had disappeared, if you know they couldn't have wondered off  - and Kate and Gerry did say that about Madeleine in the immediate aftermath - (and around 12-24 hours later Kate also said "a paedophile has got her"), then upon hearing that the EVRD dogs found blood and cadaver odour in the apartment (and these dogs are AMAZINGLY clever, and animals don't lie), wouldn't you be terribly upset and break down at this because there's now something tangible painting a picture of what happened to your child? The McCann's didn't, all they did was scoff and sneer, and say the dogs are rubbish. This has always been the McCann's weakness you see - they don't know how to do real emotions - and this is why so many people look at this story and think there's something just not right about the whole thing. Here's an example:

This picture was taken shortly after Kate and Gerry said they believed Madeliene had been taken by a paedophile/s. It was also on the day of what would have been Madeleine's 4th birthday:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mccannexposure.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/4648211.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/exclusive-brian-kennedy-mccanns-multi-millionaire-benefactor/&usg=__dgvni5Mb4wwHA-uFirHAZwVyZOg=&h=340&w=512&sz=27&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=G9c1ztU5PdbH9M:&tbnh=139&tbnw=163&ei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkate%2Band%2Bgerry%2Bmccann%2Bchurch%2Bmadeline%2527s%2Bbirthday%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26channel%3Ds%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D621%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=108&vpy=137&dur=1190&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=203&ty=75&oei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0


I don't know about the derelict building aspect Mike, can you explain it a bit further please?





Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 04:29:PM
<snip> the parents and others knew and know what actually happened to Poor little Maddie McCann...

She is dead...

She ain't ever going to be found alive...

Yes, I'm certain of it too :(.

One of the biggest giveaways for me was Kate and Gerry's immediate anger and discrediting of the EVRD dogs. Just imagine your own child had disappeared, if you know they couldn't have wondered off  - and Kate and Gerry did say that about Madeleine in the immediate aftermath - (and around 12-24 hours later Kate also said "a paedophile has got her"), then upon hearing that the EVRD dogs found blood and cadaver odour in the apartment (and these dogs are AMAZINGLY clever, and animals don't lie), wouldn't you be terribly upset and break down at this because there's now something tangible painting a picture of what happened to your child? The McCann's didn't, all they did was scoff and sneer, and say the dogs are rubbish. This has always been the McCann's weakness you see - they don't know how to do real emotions - and this is why so many people look at this story and think there's something just not right about the whole thing. Here's an example:

This picture was taken shortly after Kate and Gerry said they believed Madeliene had been taken by a paedophile/s. It was also on the day of what would have been Madeleine's 4th birthday:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mccannexposure.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/4648211.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/exclusive-brian-kennedy-mccanns-multi-millionaire-benefactor/&usg=__dgvni5Mb4wwHA-uFirHAZwVyZOg=&h=340&w=512&sz=27&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=G9c1ztU5PdbH9M:&tbnh=139&tbnw=163&ei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkate%2Band%2Bgerry%2Bmccann%2Bchurch%2Bmadeline%2527s%2Bbirthday%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26channel%3Ds%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D621%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=108&vpy=137&dur=1190&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=203&ty=75&oei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0


I don't know about the derelict building aspect Mike, can you explain it a bit further please?
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Thanks for joyous picture of the McCann parents - Jerry was also seen to be laughing on the balcony of their apartment on the morning after Maddie supposedly went missing...

I will be giving a more in-depth account of why I think the remains of Maddie were disposed of in the grounds of the derelict building in due course. But first I was intending to give everyone a clear picture of the surrounding area, where the church, the horizontal drain and the derelict building is located / situated, as well as views of the coastline which also includes the site for the other horizontal drain...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 04:52:PM
<snip> the parents and others knew and know what actually happened to Poor little Maddie McCann...

She is dead...

She ain't ever going to be found alive...

Yes, I'm certain of it too :(.

One of the biggest giveaways for me was Kate and Gerry's immediate anger and discrediting of the EVRD dogs. Just imagine your own child had disappeared, if you know they couldn't have wondered off  - and Kate and Gerry did say that about Madeleine in the immediate aftermath - (and around 12-24 hours later Kate also said "a paedophile has got her"), then upon hearing that the EVRD dogs found blood and cadaver odour in the apartment (and these dogs are AMAZINGLY clever, and animals don't lie), wouldn't you be terribly upset and break down at this because there's now something tangible painting a picture of what happened to your child? The McCann's didn't, all they did was scoff and sneer, and say the dogs are rubbish. This has always been the McCann's weakness you see - they don't know how to do real emotions - and this is why so many people look at this story and think there's something just not right about the whole thing. Here's an example:

This picture was taken shortly after Kate and Gerry said they believed Madeliene had been taken by a paedophile/s. It was also on the day of what would have been Madeleine's 4th birthday:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mccannexposure.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/4648211.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/exclusive-brian-kennedy-mccanns-multi-millionaire-benefactor/&usg=__dgvni5Mb4wwHA-uFirHAZwVyZOg=&h=340&w=512&sz=27&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=G9c1ztU5PdbH9M:&tbnh=139&tbnw=163&ei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkate%2Band%2Bgerry%2Bmccann%2Bchurch%2Bmadeline%2527s%2Bbirthday%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26channel%3Ds%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D621%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=108&vpy=137&dur=1190&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=203&ty=75&oei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0


I don't know about the derelict building aspect Mike, can you explain it a bit further please?
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Thanks for joyous picture of the McCann parents - Jerry was also seen to be laughing on the balcony of their apartment on the morning after Maddie supposedly went missing...

I will be giving a more in-depth account of why I think the remains of Maddie were disposed of in the grounds of the derelict building in due course. But first I was intending to give everyone a clear picture of the surrounding area, where the church, the horizontal drain and the derelict building is located / situated, as well as views of the coastline which also includes the site for the other horizontal drain...

Oh I could write reams about the inappropriate behavior of Kate and Jerry, their downright bizarre comments, the inconsistancies of the Tapas group, the outrageousness of the fund (which is of course a fighting fund, it was even admitted early on by someone in their team, that the money was going to be mostly used to pay legal costs, rather than actual searching!).

Thanks for the pictures Mike, looking forward to your next postings on this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 04:57:PM
<snip> the parents and others knew and know what actually happened to Poor little Maddie McCann...

She is dead...

She ain't ever going to be found alive...

Yes, I'm certain of it too :(.

One of the biggest giveaways for me was Kate and Gerry's immediate anger and discrediting of the EVRD dogs. Just imagine your own child had disappeared, if you know they couldn't have wondered off  - and Kate and Gerry did say that about Madeleine in the immediate aftermath - (and around 12-24 hours later Kate also said "a paedophile has got her"), then upon hearing that the EVRD dogs found blood and cadaver odour in the apartment (and these dogs are AMAZINGLY clever, and animals don't lie), wouldn't you be terribly upset and break down at this because there's now something tangible painting a picture of what happened to your child? The McCann's didn't, all they did was scoff and sneer, and say the dogs are rubbish. This has always been the McCann's weakness you see - they don't know how to do real emotions - and this is why so many people look at this story and think there's something just not right about the whole thing. Here's an example:

This picture was taken shortly after Kate and Gerry said they believed Madeliene had been taken by a paedophile/s. It was also on the day of what would have been Madeleine's 4th birthday:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mccannexposure.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/4648211.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/exclusive-brian-kennedy-mccanns-multi-millionaire-benefactor/&usg=__dgvni5Mb4wwHA-uFirHAZwVyZOg=&h=340&w=512&sz=27&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=G9c1ztU5PdbH9M:&tbnh=139&tbnw=163&ei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkate%2Band%2Bgerry%2Bmccann%2Bchurch%2Bmadeline%2527s%2Bbirthday%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26channel%3Ds%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D621%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=108&vpy=137&dur=1190&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=203&ty=75&oei=4HeYTaXUKs-Dswb_nuHLCA&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0


I don't know about the derelict building aspect Mike, can you explain it a bit further please?
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Thanks for joyous picture of the McCann parents - Jerry was also seen to be laughing on the balcony of their apartment on the morning after Maddie supposedly went missing...

I will be giving a more in-depth account of why I think the remains of Maddie were disposed of in the grounds of the derelict building in due course. But first I was intending to give everyone a clear picture of the surrounding area, where the church, the horizontal drain and the derelict building is located / situated, as well as views of the coastline which also includes the site for the other horizontal drain...

Oh I could write reams about the inappropriate behavior of Kate and Jerry, their downright bizarre comments, the inconsistancies of the Tapas group, the outrageousness of the fund (which is of course a fighting fund (it was even admitted early on by someone in their team, that the money was going to be mostly used to pay legal costs, rather than the "search"!).

Thanks for the pictures Mike, look forward to your next postings on this.
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I was intending to show the area in the immediate locality of the church / drain / and derelict building, and access to it, from the coastline where the second horizontal drain is situated, and from the apartment where Maddie supposedly vanished from? Its not something which I can do quickly, it might take me some time to build that picture up, so that everyone is aware of what I am talking about, especially when it comes to my reasons for believing that the remains of Maddie are / were buried in the grounds of that derelict building, and how the hire car was used to carry off vital clues for disposal elsewhere...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 03, 2011, 05:13:PM
Mike........Do you believe that Madeleine is still buried in the garden of the derelict house?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 05:15:PM
Mike........Do you believe that Madeleine is still buried in the garden of the derelict house?
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I believe that her remains are there, yes - but maybe not her clothing, which I believe was taken away in the boot of the hire car...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 05:31:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 05:35:PM
There isn't the slightest evidence of any sort that Maddie is dead, not a single piece of anything tangible.  Hearsay and rumour on one hand and silly theories count for nothing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 05:57:PM
A properly trained sniffer dog can find human remains very easily.

There isn't the slightest evidence of any sort that Maddie is dead, not a single piece of anything tangible.  <snip>

From the case files:

OPERATION TASK CANINE DEPLOYMENTS 1-8 AUGUST 2007

On the instruction of The PJ Director, The Portuguese police kept all search
records concerning the deployment of the search dogs. All dog searches were
recorded by video.

The following searches were conducted:

Five apartments at a complex in Praia Da Luz.
Mr. Murat's property at Pria Da Luz.
Mr. McCann's Villa at Pria Da Luz ( Present occupancy).
Articles of clothing from Mr. McCann's residence.
Western beach Pria da Luz.
Eastern Beach Pria Da Luz.
10 Vehicles screened at Portimao.
CANINE SEARCHES AT FIVE APARTMENTS AT PRIA DA LUZ.

All five apartments were searched using the EVRD. The only alert indications
were at apartment 5a, the reported scene.

The EVRD alerted in the:

Rear bedroom of the apartment in the immediate right hand corner by
the door.

Living room, behind sofa.

Veranda outside parent's bedroom.

Garden area directly under veranda.

My observation of the dog's behaviour in this instance was that the dog's
behaviour changed immediately upon opening the front door to the apartment.
He will normally remain in the sit position until released and tasked to search.
On this occasion he broke the stay and entered the apartment with an above
average interest. His behaviour was such that I believed him to be 'in scent'
and I therefore allowed him to free search without direction to allow him to
identify the source of his interest. He did so alerting in the rear bedroom.

I released him from this and tasked him to continue to search. He did so
alerting in an area to the rear of the sofa in the lounge.

The dog's behaviour for these alerts led me to the following opinions:

The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.

The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog
was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas
on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was
in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely
presence of human blood.

The forensic science support oficers were then deployed to recover items for
laboratory analysis.

There were no alert indications from the remaining properties. I did however
see the dog search in the kitchen waste bins. These contained meat
foodstuffs including pork and did not result in any false alert response.

CANINE SEARCH OF MR MURAT'S PROPERTY.

The property was subjected to a search for human remains or blood stained
articles. The outside of property was stripped of vegetation and after the
ground being probed was searched by the EVRD dog. The inside of the
property was then searched by the dog. There were no alert indications and
no human remains were located.

CANINE SEARCH OF MR McCANN'S VILLA, PRESENT OCCUPANCY.

The villa interior, garden, and all property within were searched by the EVRD.
The only alert indication given was when the dog located a pink cuddly toy in
the villas lounge. The CSI dog did not alert to the toy when screened
separately.

BOXES OF CLOTHING 1 PROPERTY FORM MR McCANN'S RESIDENCE.

At a suitable venue numerous boxes of clothing 1 property taken from the
McCann present residence were screened using both the EVRD and the CSI
dog. The venue was screened by both dogs prior to introducing clothing /
property. Neither gave an alert indication. The screening then took place with
the contents of each box being placed around the room in turn. The process
was recorded by video and written records were taken by PJ officers.

The only alert indication was by the EVRD on clothing from one of the boxes. I
am not in possession of the details as these were recorded by the PJ ofíicers
present.

CANINE VEHICLE SEARCHES.

Ten vehicles were screened in an underground multi storey car park at
Portimao. The vehicles, of which I did not know the owner details, were
parked on an empty floor with 20-30 feet between each. The vehicle
placement video recording and management of the process was conducted
by the PJ. The EVRD was then tasked to search the area. When passing a
vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family,
the dog's behaviour changed substantially. This then produced an alert
indication at the lower part of the drivers door where the dog was biting and
barking. I recognise this behaviour as the dog indicating scent emitting from
the inside of the vehicle through the seal around the door.

Statement of Martin Grime, the dog handler in the case:

I have 35 years experience in the training of dogs both within the police
service and in the public sector.

I specialise in the development and training of specialist search dogs to
include narcotics, explosives, currency, human remains, blood and semen.

I am the Special Advisor to The U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau
of Investigation, in relation to their Canine Forensic Program.

I am a U.K.A.C.P.O. (Association of Chief Police Officers, England and wales)
accredited police dog training instructor. Iam a Subject Matter Expert in
forensic canine search and on the N.P.I.A. (National Policing Improvement
Agency) Expert Advisers database.

I advise Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the
operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of Homicide investigation.

I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use
of dogs and facilitate training.

I am regularly deployed to homicide cases within my portfolio and form a
'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams
from Dyfed Powys and USA.

I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs:
'Eddie' is a 7-year-old English Springer spaniel dog who is trained as an
Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD).

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 06:08:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 06:11:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.

It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.  This in itself means absolutely nothing and certainly is not evidence that she is dead.

I know your arguments are weak but there is no need for name calling just because someone doesn't agree with you and your hair-brained theory.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 06:11:PM
There isn't the slightest evidence of any sort that Maddie is dead, not a single piece of anything tangible.  Hearsay and rumour on one hand and silly theories count for nothing.
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There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Maddie is still alive - not a single piece of anything tangible.

Any parent who lost a child in circumstances as alleged by the McCanns and their friends would bend over backwards to co-operate with the police, but not the McCanns, oh no, they chose to say noting... 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 06:13:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.
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As far as I know the dogs did not enter the derelict building or its grounds, and so your point is defunct...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 06:14:PM
You wait until they find Maddie's remains there...

We'll see what you have got to say at that point...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 06:16:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.

It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.  This in itself means absolutely nothing and certainly is not evidence that she is dead.

I know your theory is weak but there is no need for name calling.

Sandy, that's not how the EVRD dogs work, they are trained to pick up cadaver and blood, and that is what they found.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 06:18:PM
The McCann's were quite right to say nothing after the police made the fatal mistake of accusing them.  After all, Mr Portuguese policeman was removed from the case for incompetence. What more can I say.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 06:19:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.

It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.  This in itself means absolutely nothing and certainly is not evidence that she is dead.

I know your theory is weak but there is no need for name calling.

Sandy, that's now how the EVRD dogs work, they are trained to pick up cadaver and blood, and that is what they found.

So they aren't infallible then?  Apparently the handler doesn't think so thus his comments.

I am afraid that in the absence of any tangible evidence to the contrary it can only be assumed that Maddie was indeed abducted and hopefully is alive and well.  This nonsense about moving the body and burying it again is pure fantasy.

On another point raised by Mike, there would have been no blood in any event if all that had happened to Maddie was that she had been overdosed. Another false trail foo pah!! 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 06:29:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.

It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.  This in itself means absolutely nothing and certainly is not evidence that she is dead.

I know your theory is weak but there is no need for name calling.

Sandy, that's now how the EVRD dogs work, they are trained to pick up cadaver and blood, and that is what they found.

So they aren't infallible then?  Apparently the handler doesn't think so thus his comments.

I am afraid that in the absence of any tangible evidence to the contrary it can only be assumed that Maddie was indeed abducted and hopefully is alive and well.  This nonsense about moving the body and burying it again is pure fantasy.

No, the dogs alerts can't be used alone, but with other evidence they can are used to secure convictions.

I don't understand how you can seem to be so sure that Madeleine is alive and well, the overwhelming statistics tell us that an abducted child will be dead within hours of going missing, or held and subjected to unthinkable horrors as we've seen in recently reported cases. The idea that Madeleine is living a lovely happy life with wonderful parents is so unlikely it's pretty much ridiculous.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 06:30:PM
The McCann's were quite right to say nothing after the police made the fatal mistake of accusing them.  After all, Mr Portuguese policeman was removed from the case for incompetence. What more can I say.
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He wasn't incompetent...

And in any event, if he was removed as you put it, then why didn't the parents speak to another Portuguese police officer and co-operate with them? Your just making things up, because the truth about what really dud happen to poor little Maddie will soon be out in the open...

The parents lied about so many things...

I mean, fancy suggesting that the steel shutter to the bedroom window had been forced up and open from the outside, leaving no tool marks there?

How was that done then?

Please enlighten me...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 06:32:PM
It would have been impossible for anyone to open those steel shutters from the outside, even if the window behind th shutter was open - it can't be done, it would be physically impossible for anyone to do that from outside the window without damaging the shutter and lock mechanism...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 06:33:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.

It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.  This in itself means absolutely nothing and certainly is not evidence that she is dead.

I know your theory is weak but there is no need for name calling.

Sandy, that's now how the EVRD dogs work, they are trained to pick up cadaver and blood, and that is what they found.

So they aren't infallible then?  Apparently the handler doesn't think so thus his comments.

I am afraid that in the absence of any tangible evidence to the contrary it can only be assumed that Maddie was indeed abducted and hopefully is alive and well.  This nonsense about moving the body and burying it again is pure fantasy.

No, the dogs alerts can't be used alone, but with other evidence they can are used to secure convictions.

I don't understand how you can seem to be so sure that Madeleine is alive and well, the overwhelming statistics tell us that an abducted child will be dead within hours of going missing, or held and subjected to unthinkable horrors as we've seen in recently reported cases. The idea that Madeleine is living a lovely happy life with wonderful parents is so unlikely it's pretty much ridiculous.

Not at all Rose, there are many cases where children have been abducted and have come forward in later years.  We can only hope that Maddie is such a child and will come home some day.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 06:35:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.

It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.  This in itself means absolutely nothing and certainly is not evidence that she is dead.

I know your theory is weak but there is no need for name calling.

Sandy, that's now how the EVRD dogs work, they are trained to pick up cadaver and blood, and that is what they found.

So they aren't infallible then?  Apparently the handler doesn't think so thus his comments.

I am afraid that in the absence of any tangible evidence to the contrary it can only be assumed that Maddie was indeed abducted and hopefully is alive and well.  This nonsense about moving the body and burying it again is pure fantasy.

No, the dogs alerts can't be used alone, but with other evidence they can are used to secure convictions.

I don't understand how you can seem to be so sure that Madeleine is alive and well, the overwhelming statistics tell us that an abducted child will be dead within hours of going missing, or held and subjected to unthinkable horrors as we've seen in recently reported cases. The idea that Madeleine is living a lovely happy life with wonderful parents is so unlikely it's pretty much ridiculous.

Not at all Rose, there are many cases where children have been abducted and have come forward in later years.  We can only hope that Maddie is such a child and will come home some day.
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Yes, I too would like to think that poor little Maddie is going to be found alive and well, but it is not going to happen...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 06:36:PM
Oh yes so plausible and so utterly impossible.

What Mike proposes is that the McCann's carried out all these activities under the noses of an entire village who were looking for an abducted child.  Not only did they hide her then collect her and bury her but they disposed of her clothing in a hire car and all this while they were under the scrutiny of the world's press and the Portuguese police. 

Really Mike is that the best you can do with this hair brained theory??   ;D
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Stop being an idiot...


Why don't you admit it. Even the dog handler had to admit that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.

It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.  This in itself means absolutely nothing and certainly is not evidence that she is dead.

I know your theory is weak but there is no need for name calling.

Sandy, that's now how the EVRD dogs work, they are trained to pick up cadaver and blood, and that is what they found.

So they aren't infallible then?  Apparently the handler doesn't think so thus his comments.

I am afraid that in the absence of any tangible evidence to the contrary it can only be assumed that Maddie was indeed abducted and hopefully is alive and well.  This nonsense about moving the body and burying it again is pure fantasy.

No, the dogs alerts can't be used alone, but with other evidence they can are used to secure convictions.

I don't understand how you can seem to be so sure that Madeleine is alive and well, the overwhelming statistics tell us that an abducted child will be dead within hours of going missing, or held and subjected to unthinkable horrors as we've seen in recently reported cases. The idea that Madeleine is living a lovely happy life with wonderful parents is so unlikely it's pretty much ridiculous.

Not at all Rose, there are many cases where children have been abducted and have come forward in later years.  We can only hope that Maddie is such a child and will come home some day.

I do hope for that too Sandy, but having studied the files for two years, I just can't see it at all. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 03, 2011, 07:26:PM
I didnt know that Maddie had been in the hire car.I thought the McCanns hired the people carrier after Maddie had gone missing.Was it not true that blood was found up the walls and the room had to be repainted? The thing I found most odd is that the McCanns stated that they were going to stay in Portugal as long as possible,but as soon as they were made suspects,they hopped on the first plane home!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 07:28:PM
I didnt know that Maddie had been in the hire car.I thought the McCanns hired the people carrier after Maddie had gone missing.Was it not true that blood was found up the walls and the room had to be repainted? The thing I found most odd is that the McCanns stated that they were going to stay in Portugal as long as possible,but as soon as they were made suspects,they hopped on the first plane home!

Would you blame them?  ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 07:34:PM
I didnt know that Maddie had been in the hire car.I thought the McCanns hired the people carrier after Maddie had gone missing.Was it not true that blood was found up the walls and the room had to be repainted? The thing I found most odd is that the McCanns stated that they were going to stay in Portugal as long as possible,but as soon as they were made suspects,they hopped on the first plane home!
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Yes, Cadaver dog and blood hound found evidence in boot of hire car which was suggestive that Maddie's remains, or the clothing which she wore at the time of her alleged disappearance, were carried away to some other spot or location, after the Mccann s hired the hire car...

Neighbors who lived next door to the apartment where the McCanns stayed at that time, reported to the police that they could smell a foul stench coming from the boot area of the hire car when it was parked up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 03, 2011, 07:36:PM
I didnt know that Maddie had been in the hire car.I thought the McCanns hired the people carrier after Maddie had gone missing.Was it not true that blood was found up the walls and the room had to be repainted? The thing I found most odd is that the McCanns stated that they were going to stay in Portugal as long as possible,but as soon as they were made suspects,they hopped on the first plane home!

Would you blame them?  ;)

Yes actually.I know that if it were me and I knew I was innocent,I would have nothing to be frightened of.I would have stayed and concentrated on finding my child.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 07:44:PM
I didnt know that Maddie had been in the hire car.I thought the McCanns hired the people carrier after Maddie had gone missing.Was it not true that blood was found up the walls and the room had to be repainted? The thing I found most odd is that the McCanns stated that they were going to stay in Portugal as long as possible,but as soon as they were made suspects,they hopped on the first plane home!
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Yes, Cadaver dog and blood hound found evidence in boot of hire car which was suggestive that Maddie's remains, or the clothing which she wore at the time of her alleged disappearance, were carried away to some other spot or location, after the Mccann s hired the hire car...

Neighbors who lived next door to the apartment where the McCanns stayed at that time, reported to the police that they could smell a foul stench coming from the boot area of the hire car when it was parked up...

The sniffer dog results were non conclusive and were supposed to have been continued in the UK. This never happened which renders the whole thing suspect.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 07:47:PM
I didnt know that Maddie had been in the hire car.I thought the McCanns hired the people carrier after Maddie had gone missing.Was it not true that blood was found up the walls and the room had to be repainted? The thing I found most odd is that the McCanns stated that they were going to stay in Portugal as long as possible,but as soon as they were made suspects,they hopped on the first plane home!

Would you blame them?  ;)

Yes actually.I know that if it were me and I knew I was innocent,I would have nothing to be frightened of.I would have stayed and concentrated on finding my child.

She did the right thing because if she had stayed she would have been wrongly imprisoned as many are in Portugal and Spain on fabricated evidence in cases presided over by corrupt judges.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 07:51:PM
I didnt know that Maddie had been in the hire car.I thought the McCanns hired the people carrier after Maddie had gone missing.Was it not true that blood was found up the walls and the room had to be repainted? The thing I found most odd is that the McCanns stated that they were going to stay in Portugal as long as possible,but as soon as they were made suspects,they hopped on the first plane home!

Would you blame them?  ;)

Yes actually.I know that if it were me and I knew I was innocent,I would have nothing to be frightened of.I would have stayed and concentrated on finding my child.

She did the right thing because if she had stayed she would have been wrongly imprisoned as many are in Portugal and Spain on fabricated evidence in cases presided over by corrupt judges.
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Why did Kate leave the other two children in the apartment after she found Maddie was gone?

Why did she run back to the tapas bar to break the news to everybody, and leave her other two children at the mercy of any would be abductors? It don't make sense to me...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 07:56:PM
The other two kids were sleeping soundly so for all Kate knew, Maddie had wandered off somewhere nearby.  No mystery there.

I would have done the same thing which included taking the long way round on my way back to the bar checking all the time in case she was nearby.  I am quite sure that Kate didn't automatically decide Maddie had been taken but i am also quite sure that that reality sunk in pretty quick.

Anyway, we have several witnesses who saw a person carrying a child in the vicinity a short time later, this can only been deemed extremely suspicious in the circumstances.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:03:PM
The other two kids were sleeping soundly so for all Kate knew, Maddie had wandered off somewhere nearby.  No mystery there.

I would have done the same thing which included taking the long way round on my way back to the bar checking all the time in case she was nearby.  I am quite sure that Kate didn't automatically decide Maddie had been taken but i am also quite sure that that reality sunk in pretty quick.

Anyway, we have several witnesses who saw a person carrying a child in the vicinity a short time later, this can only been deemed extremely suspicious in the circumstances.
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Wandered off - are you kidding me?

What with the curtains blowing open and the bedroom door slamming shut and the shutter at th window raised, and you expect me to believe that Kate must have thought that Maddie had just wandered off - do me a favor...

So, Maddie opened the bedroom window and raised the steel shutter and opened the window by sliding it to one side, and she climbed out of that window and wandered off, when the patio door was open, and the other door on the roadside of the building could have easily been opened by anyone from the inside?

All she had to do was go to the patio veranda and shout and scream from the top of her voice that Maddie was gone to alert the others but what did she do, she went to the tapas bar and told them Maddie was gone and that "They had taken her"...

Who was "they", do you think?



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:06:PM

Anyway, we have several witnesses who saw a person carrying a child in the vicinity a short time later, this can only been deemed extremely suspicious in the circumstances.
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One of the sightings by Jane tanner was a hoax, and the other was a sighting of Jerry carrying off Maddie in the vicinity of the local medical center, by the Smith contingent, en route to the horizontal drain in the vicinity of the place where small fishing boats are moored up at night...

I will be posting pictures that I took of this area shortly...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:11:PM

Wandered off - are you kidding me?

What with the curtains blowing open and the bedroom door slamming shut and the shutter at th window raised, and you expect me to believe that Kate must have thought that Maddie had just wandered off - do me a favor...

So, Maddie opened the bedroom window and raised the steel shutter and opened the window by sliding it to one side, and she climbed out of that window and wandered off, when the patio door was open, and the other door on the roadside of the building could have easily been opened by anyone from the inside?

All she had to do was go to the patio veranda and shout and scream from the top of her voice that Maddie was gone to alert the others but what did she do, she went to the tapas bar and told them Maddie was gone and that "They had taken her"...

Who was "they", do you think?

Yes, wandered off...that's what kids do sometimes.  I can remember this happening to my own child once in Majorca.  All sorts of things go through your mind but your first instinct is to search hoping that they will be somewhere nearby and have not been abducted.

Why would she shout and scream if Maddie was nearby and end up looking like a right pillock?  You have obviously never been in that position and have not thought this scenario through very thoroughly.
Kate wasn't to know who had opened the shutter or the window. Maybe one of the others had done it to let some air into the room. Have you ever been to a hot arid country where air conditioning is a necessity?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:12:PM

Anyway, we have several witnesses who saw a person carrying a child in the vicinity a short time later, this can only been deemed extremely suspicious in the circumstances.
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One of the sightings by Jane tanner was a hoax, and the other was a sighting of Jerry carrying off Maddie in the vicinity of the local medical center, by the Smith contingent, en route to the horizontal drain in the vicinity of the place where small fishing boats are moored up at night...

I will be posting pictures that I took of this area shortly...

So Jerry carried Maddie in his arms yet the sniffer dogs didn't find the scent on him or his clothes...your havin a laurgh!! ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 03, 2011, 08:27:PM
Kate was adamant herself that Maddie hadnt wandered off somewhere.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:29:PM
Kate was adamant herself that Maddie hadnt wandered off somewhere.

Yes, later naturally.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:33:PM

Anyway, we have several witnesses who saw a person carrying a child in the vicinity a short time later, this can only been deemed extremely suspicious in the circumstances.
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One of the sightings by Jane tanner was a hoax, and the other was a sighting of Jerry carrying off Maddie in the vicinity of the local medical center, by the Smith contingent, en route to the horizontal drain in the vicinity of the place where small fishing boats are moored up at night...

I will be posting pictures that I took of this area shortly...

So Jerry carried Maddie in his arms yet the sniffer dogs didn't find the scent on him or his clothes...your havin a laurgh!! ;D
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Ask the Smith contingent about that, and ask them if they were having a laurgh as you put it....

It was Jerry they saw carrying off Maddie that night, as for the clothing he was wearing at that time, you tell me what he did with it? Why would Sniffer dogs pay any attention to Jerry and the clothing he was wearing that night, considering he was the parent of the missing child - her scent would / might be on his clothing in any event?

Do you know who these clothes belonged to?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:35:PM
Kate was adamant herself that Maddie hadnt wandered off somewhere.
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window open, steel shutter raised and curtains blown open and bedroom door slammed shut - and still the other two children did not stir from their sleep in their cots...

Does anyone have any idea who the other person was at the apartment when Kate apparently made her remarkable discovery that Maddie was gone?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:37:PM
Which members of the tapas group wore these clothes whilst on holiday there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:40:PM
The Smith evidence is highly suspect for all sorts of reasons...I for one wouldn't believe a word of it.

The dogs were cadaver trained so anyone moving a dead body would have the scent on them as well.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:42:PM
Kate was adamant herself that Maddie hadnt wandered off somewhere.
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window open, steel shutter raised and curtains blown open and bedroom door slammed shut - and still the other two children did not stir from their sleep in their cots...

Does anyone have any idea who the other person was at the apartment when Kate apparently made her remarkable discovery that Maddie was gone?

Wrong again Mike.  The curtains would only blow when the bedroom door was opened creating a through draught.  Children don't awaken easily, you would know that if you had any.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:42:PM
The Smith evidence is highly suspect for all sorts of reasons...I for one wouldn't believe a word of it.

The dogs were cadaver trained so anyone moving a dead body would have the scent on them as well.
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Cadaver dogs were not brought into the case until a long time afterwards...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:45:PM
Cadaver dogs in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3AmjQgS1KI
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:47:PM
Kate was adamant herself that Maddie hadnt wandered off somewhere.
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window open, steel shutter raised and curtains blown open and bedroom door slammed shut - and still the other two children did not stir from their sleep in their cots...

Does anyone have any idea who the other person was at the apartment when Kate apparently made her remarkable discovery that Maddie was gone?

Wrong again Mike.  The curtains would only blow when the bedroom door was opened creating a through draught.  Children don't awaken easily, you would know that if you had any.
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Wrong - I have got kids and I have got grandkids...

wrong again, curtains did not blow open when Kate initially opened the bedroom door and looked in, the bedroom door slammed shut and the curtains blew wide open when Kate was setting the door before going back to the tapas bar - what actually caused the bedroom door to slam shut and the curtains to blow wide open, was because at that precise time, someone either left the apartment, or came into the apartment via the roadside door, thus creating or generating a vacuum that slammed the bedroom door shut etc...

I know that this is / was true because I carried out experiments with the doors and windows at the apartment where I stayed whilst on holiday there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 03, 2011, 08:48:PM
The Smith evidence is highly suspect for all sorts of reasons...I for one wouldn't believe a word of it.

The dogs were cadaver trained so anyone moving a dead body would have the scent on them as well.

so was Jane Tanners evidence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:50:PM
Does anyone know who the clothing in the attached photographs belonged to, or was worn by?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:52:PM
Every apartment is different and every situation different since weather condition invariable change. With the best will in the world you couldn't possible have recreated the same circumstances as occurred with Kate McCann that night.

When the bedroom door was closed the curtains would never move. This is Portugal we are talking about here and in Summer.  High humidity, dry air and calm.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 03, 2011, 08:53:PM
Does anyone know who the clothing in the attached photographs belonged to, or was worn by?

no..........but I take it that you do? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 08:54:PM
Does anyone know who the clothing in the attached photographs belonged to, or was worn by?

no..........but I take it that you do?

It's not Jerry's anyway!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:57:PM
Every apartment is different and every situation different since weather condition invariable change. With the best will in the world you couldn't possible have recreated the same circumstances as occurred with Kate McCann that night.

When the bedroom door was closed the curtains would never move. This is Portugal we are talking about here and in Summer.  High humidity, dry air and calm.
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How odd then that whilst making a TV documentary at the scene, that Kate speaks about how she looked into the bedroom and saw the two children in their cots but did not look to see if Maddie was in her bed, and just as she was about to set the door before returning to the tapas bar, the bedroom curtains blew wide open and the door slammed shut which caused her to re-open the bedroom door and turn the light on and discover Maddie gone...

Now why would Kate be lying to the TV cameras about what she says happened at that time?


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 08:57:PM
Does anyone know who the clothing in the attached photographs belonged to, or was worn by?

no..........but I take it that you do?

It's not Jerry's anyway!!   ;D ;D
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How would you know that?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 09:07:PM
Why on earth would Jerry McCann want to discard a bunch of clothes in some foreign slum and walk back to his apartment wearing his underpants?

We don't even know where these pictures were taken.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 09:09:PM
Why on earth would Jerry McCann want to discard a bunch of clothes in some foreign slum and walk back to his apartment wearing his underpants?

We don't even know where these pictures were taken.
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Who said he discarded those clothes that night?

What do you think happened to Jerry's tennis holdall that the police were interested in?

What do you think Jeremy did with it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 09:12:PM
Look at these clues, found in the derelict building:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 09:14:PM
Jane Tanner claims she saw a faceless man carrying off Maddie, before Kate raised the alarm...

I wonder where she got that idea from?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 09:31:PM
Jane Tanners full interview with Leicestershire Police.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id222.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 03, 2011, 09:42:PM
The thing is... those dogs are not trained to find a specific person's items of clothing or live sent.  They are trained to find cadaver sent.  It's not just some mutt found wandering the streets, given a person's sock to sniff and then put on their trail.  These animals are highly trained.

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 09:43:PM
Jane Tanner has very interesting memory recall - the description she gave of bundleman one year after her original description was very much more vivid and detailed than her first. Memory just doesn't work like that. Needless to say - she declined to attend a reconstruction. If a little girl you knew went missing and you were good friends with her Mum, wouldn't you want to do everything you possibly can to help? Reconstructions have proven to be vital in uncovering the truth many times. Jane Tanner is a bloody liar.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 09:46:PM
Does anyone have any idea what BAYGON insecticide might be used for?

More to the point, what would somebody be using BAYGON insecticide inside that derelict building, across the road from the church that was a favorite haunt of the McCanns?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 09:49:PM
Does anyone have any idea what BAYGON insecticide might be used for?

More to the point, what would somebody be using BAYGON insecticide inside that derelict building, across the road from the church that was a favorite haunt of the McCanns?

According to Wiki: . It is an insecticide used for extermination and control of many household pests and is very effective for crickets, roaches, ants, carpenter ants, spiders, silverfish and others.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 09:49:PM
You might use BAYGON insecticide to try to preserve the body of a small child, from being devoured by insects whilst it is being concealed or buried, by applying it to the bag, or covering that the body is / was wrapped inside during concealment......
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 09:54:PM
Religious fanatic?

Here, look at the way these utensils were crossed over to form the Christian cross...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:01:PM
There were other clues which led me to suspect that this derelict building could be of a place of significance, connected to the disappearance of Maddie, for example, a number of chalked crosses that were marked on a door, the exact number of which matched large stones placed along the side of a recently dug grave / hole in the grounds of the derelict building which gave a view of the churches clock tower...

Whoever dug this grave / hole, would have had sight of the clock on the church tower...

Whoever dug this grave / hole, used a metal bar to create a grave / hole deep enough to place the remains of a small child's body...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 10:05:PM
In the days after the disapperance when the media were updating daily, there was a BBC report which mentioned that Gerry had taken a defective freezer to the dump.

Who in God's name does that on holiday?! The two places the McCann's stayed in were holiday rentals, surely any freezer would have been the responsibility of the holiday firm/landlord only.

Mike, about the Baygon thing - I've learned that there are no depths the McCanns's won't stoop too, however as Doctors I think they would be very clued up on what happens to a body after death. I'm positive Madeleine was moved because of the EVRD signals on the hire car, and the bizarre pre-emptive comments about meat juices from the supermarket leaking into the boot. And the neighbour who thought it strange that they kept leaving their car boot open during the night.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:07:PM
In the days after the disapperance when the media were updating daily, there was a BBC report which mentioned that Gerry had taken a defective freezer to the dump.

Who in God's name does that on holiday?! The two places the McCann's stayed in were holiday rentals, surely any freezer would have been the responsibility of the holiday firm/landlord only.

Mike, about the Baygon thing - I've learned that there are no depths the McCanns's won't stoop too, however as Doctors I think they would be very clued up on what happens to a body after death. I'm positive Madeleine was moved because of the EVRD signals on the hire car, and the bizarre pre-emptive comments about meat juices from the supermarket leaking into the boot. And the neighbour who thought it strange that they kept leaving their car boot open during the night.
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Yes, I am with you on those points...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:11:PM
The stones which mark the grave / hole in the grounds of the derelict building appear to have been brought into the grounds from an area along the coastline, in the general area of the second horizontal drain...

As though they were placed there as markers of some kind...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 03, 2011, 10:11:PM
In the days after the disapperance when the media were updating daily, there was a BBC report which mentioned that Gerry had taken a defective freezer to the dump.

Who in God's name does that on holiday?! The two places the McCann's stayed in were holiday rentals, surely any freezer would have been the responsibility of the holiday firm/landlord only.

Mike, about the Baygon thing - I've learned that there are no depths the McCanns's won't stoop too, however as Doctors I think they would be very clued up on what happens to a body after death. I'm positive Madeleine was moved because of the EVRD signals on the hire car, and the bizarre pre-emptive comments about meat juices from the supermarket leaking into the boot. And the neighbour who thought it strange that they kept leaving their car boot open during the night.
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Yes, I am with you on those points...

Interesting..................was the freezer ever checked out?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:13:PM
In the days after the disapperance when the media were updating daily, there was a BBC report which mentioned that Gerry had taken a defective freezer to the dump.

Who in God's name does that on holiday?! The two places the McCann's stayed in were holiday rentals, surely any freezer would have been the responsibility of the holiday firm/landlord only.

Mike, about the Baygon thing - I've learned that there are no depths the McCanns's won't stoop too, however as Doctors I think they would be very clued up on what happens to a body after death. I'm positive Madeleine was moved because of the EVRD signals on the hire car, and the bizarre pre-emptive comments about meat juices from the supermarket leaking into the boot. And the neighbour who thought it strange that they kept leaving their car boot open during the night.
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Yes, I am with you on those points...

Interesting..................was the freezer ever checked out?
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Oddly enough, there was a discarded freezer on the coastline close to where the second horizontal drain is situated / located...

I took pictures, obviously, which I will be posting in due course...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 10:17:PM
In the days after the disapperance when the media were updating daily, there was a BBC report which mentioned that Gerry had taken a defective freezer to the dump.

Who in God's name does that on holiday?! The two places the McCann's stayed in were holiday rentals, surely any freezer would have been the responsibility of the holiday firm/landlord only.

Mike, about the Baygon thing - I've learned that there are no depths the McCanns's won't stoop too, however as Doctors I think they would be very clued up on what happens to a body after death. I'm positive Madeleine was moved because of the EVRD signals on the hire car, and the bizarre pre-emptive comments about meat juices from the supermarket leaking into the boot. And the neighbour who thought it strange that they kept leaving their car boot open during the night.
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Yes, I am with you on those points...

Interesting..................was the freezer ever checked out?

I don't believe it was, Lady chelmsey. I'll go back to the files and see what I garner. Will take a while but I'll report back. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:18:PM
Drain and Grave sites are situated in view of church clock tower...

Kate and Jerry had a favorite spot on the rocks close to the horizontal drain...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 10:26:PM
If you look closely there is even a little memorial to St Jude built into the wall.  ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:28:PM
If you look closely there is even a little memorial built into the wall.
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Mock all you like - as far as I am concerned this is where the remains of little Maddie ended up...

It was the closest they could bury her to consecrated ground...

Maddie is there in the grounds of that derelict building, and they put her there (eventually)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 10:29:PM
Aye...and the moon is made of cheese!   :-*
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:35:PM
Location of the second Horizontal drain along the coastline

some of the stones which the killer lined the grave / hole with inside the grounds of the derelict building, came from this site...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:40:PM
Just along the coast, was the church clock tower, and the other horizontal drain, and the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:45:PM
The sighting of the man who was carrying Maddie, by the Smith contingent who left Kellys bar, on the evening that Maddie supposedly went missing, was / is important, not least because it placed Jerry walking with Maddie in his arms in the general direction of the second horizontal drain...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:50:PM
Who was it that carried those large stones from the location of the other horizontal drain near to the small fishing boats, and laid them out along the side of the grave / hole that was dug in the grounds of the derelict building, across the road from the church, and up the road from the first horizontal drain? What was the purpose of carrying those individual stones, from this place to that? What sort of a bag or holdall was used in the movement of these stones?

Does anyone know what happened to Jerry's tennis holdall?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 10:54:PM
Here are some images which show discarded freezers along the coastline where the second horizontal drain is situated / located, and the small fishing boats:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2011, 11:07:PM
One of the strangest photographs I took in the grounds of the derelict building:-

I still do not understand how this image was photographed, it baffles me...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 11:11:PM
What sort of a bag or holdall was used in the movement of these stones?

Does anyone know what happened to Jerry's tennis holdall?

Yes, indeed. Remember David Payne's little Freudian slip about how there wasn't a bag big enough to hide a tennis racket in.  :o

And the amazing one he said in his statement while describing the scene he saw as Madeleine and the twins were getting ready for bed: 'they were dressed in white, like angels, they looked so at peace'.  :o

ETA: I agree about the suspicious bag stuff Mike, I think it was used to move Madeleine though, rather than stones. Interesting photo's btw. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2011, 11:51:PM
Proves absolutely nothing though...just wild theories.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wild Rose on April 03, 2011, 11:56:PM
I'm not trying to prove it, I'm not a policewoman, I'm just discussing it.

They're not all that wild either - your view that Madeleine is perfectly fine and being looked after is to my mind more wild in light of the info in the files.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 04, 2011, 07:24:PM
i cant see how the mcanns could possible be involved in the abduction of there daughter.

how would tourist be able to dispose of a body they dident know the area.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on April 04, 2011, 08:59:PM
i cant see how the mcanns could possible be involved in the abduction of there daughter.

how would tourist be able to dispose of a body they dident know the area.

Unless they were so brazen that they took a rented apartment's fridge to the dump - is that really true? If so, anything is possible...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 04, 2011, 09:01:PM
Can the whole dead or alive question not just be wrapped up by the dogs?  Turn the equation on its' head...

How likely is it that the dogs got it wrong?

It's not very likely is it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on April 04, 2011, 10:06:PM
It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.

I thought the point was that she wasn't in the car - didn't they hire that car after she disappeared?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandy on April 04, 2011, 10:11:PM
The dog tests are prone to all sorts of outside variables.  The results can only be used as a tool along with other evidence and circumstances in order to put together some sort of case.

As the dog handler stated himself that no tangible or evidential consequences can be derived from the results.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 04, 2011, 10:14:PM
It is quite understandable that the dog would react to a scent which emanated from Maddie since it was Maddie they were tracking.  She was in the apartment and she was in the hire car.

I thought the point was that she wasn't in the car - didn't they hire that car after she disappeared?

That's right.  And also, dogs not trained to find scent of a person.  It's not like Sir Henry Baskerville's boot being pinched to get a rabid hound on his trail.  The dogs are cadaver dogs.  Highly trained for that specific purpose.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 05, 2011, 02:43:AM
I havent read much on this case yet,but I did find Diane Websters statement fascinating.She states that on the night of maddies disappearance,that she felt that the twins had been drugged because they slept through everything - including being carried out into the cold night to be brought to her apartment.She was under the impression that the abductor must have drugged them all.In that case why didnt the abductor take all three children? Its all a bit odd.Mike T...........what is your theory on this?Do you think the McCanns were drugging the children in order for them to stay asleep,and Maddie was accidently overdosed?Or do you think that due to the blood specks found that it was something more sinister?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 05, 2011, 03:17:PM
They were probably administered with a mild medication to keep them calm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Suzie on April 05, 2011, 09:50:PM
Mike, I find your theory's a bit way out there.
 Are you saying they moved her around with the police, press and locals all watching their every move.
 The press were relentless. Don't you think someone would have noticed if they were moving things around and digging holes?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 05, 2011, 09:56:PM
Mike, I find your theory's a bit way out there.
 Are you saying they moved her around with the police, press and locals all watching their every move.
 The press were relentless. Don't you think someone would have noticed if they were moving things around and digging holes?

Wasn't the early stages of the investigation a bit like white house farm case?  That's how it was portrayed in the british media.  'lazy foreigner cops not taking things seriously'.  Mind you, I'm not so sure that actually was the case.  That Amaral is no fool. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Suzie on April 05, 2011, 10:20:PM
Mike, I find your theory's a bit way out there.
 Are you saying they moved her around with the police, press and locals all watching their every move.
 The press were relentless. Don't you think someone would have noticed if they were moving things around and digging holes?

Wasn't the early stages of the investigation a bit like white house farm case?  That's how it was portrayed in the british media.  'lazy foreigner cops not taking things seriously'.  Mind you, I'm not so sure that actually was the case.  That Amaral is no fool.
Still, even if that was the case, within hours their every move was watched and according to Mike her body was initially put in a disused drain then later moved, when?

You changed your name ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 05, 2011, 10:49:PM
Mike, I find your theory's a bit way out there.
 Are you saying they moved her around with the police, press and locals all watching their every move.
 The press were relentless. Don't you think someone would have noticed if they were moving things around and digging holes?

Wasn't the early stages of the investigation a bit like white house farm case?  That's how it was portrayed in the british media.  'lazy foreigner cops not taking things seriously'.  Mind you, I'm not so sure that actually was the case.  That Amaral is no fool.
Still, even if that was the case, within hours their every move was watched and according to Mike her body was initially put in a disused drain then later moved, when?

You changed your name ;)

I did look in to the case, I read Amaral's book etc.  Cant remember whether they were watched intitally or only part-way in to the investigation. 'Dolly' didn't suit me  ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Suzie on April 05, 2011, 10:55:PM
I thought that book was banned? Did the McCann's not go to court about it?
Dolly, Oh I think It might have ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 05, 2011, 11:29:PM
I thought that book was banned? Did the McCann's not go to court about it?
Dolly, Oh I think It might have ;D

Yeah they got it banned.  Not sure of exact reasons.  Think it was because there wwas no proof that she was not still alive (given that the dogs cannot be used as proof alone).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bigal25 on April 06, 2011, 02:58:PM
It seems strange that there are so many experts after the event on here. I agree it was stupid of Madeleine's perents to leave her alone whilst they dinned with friends but are some of you seriously suggesting they killed her????
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 06, 2011, 03:55:PM
did,nt kill her, but were responsible for her death.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on April 06, 2011, 03:58:PM
Just think two doctors administring sleeping potion to Maddie.Career over.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 06, 2011, 04:33:PM
i cant see that theres any evedence to accuse the mcanns of anything other than being stupid.

but then they will have to live with that the rest of there lives.

wasnt the investigating officer in this case accused of beating a confession out of a mother into murdering her daughter in a earler simlar case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 06, 2011, 06:09:PM
It seems strange that there are so many experts after the event on here. I agree it was stupid of Madeleine's perents to leave her alone whilst they dinned with friends but are some of you seriously suggesting they killed her????

I know I keep banging on about the dogs.  But....  How likely is it that specialist dogs handled by a specialist dog handler, just happen to indicate that a body was likely stored in several places in an apartment, linked to a missing child.... and be wrong?  If being wrong is a very unlikely probability, then I think they're damned from the outset.  The bairn died somehow, and it was covered up... somehow.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on April 06, 2011, 10:17:PM
As I said,I dont know a lot about this case,but these things bother me-:

Why did the parents lie and say there had been a break-in when there hadnt?

Why didnt the parents bat an eyelid that the twins seemed to be sleeping a little too heavily,and yet the tapas friends found that odd?

Why did the parents never do any physical searching themselves? Left it to everyone else.

Why was Kate so insistant that Maddie had been taken,declaring that she knew her daughter hadnt walked off somewhere? How could she know that for sure? Is it because a drugged child cannot walk off?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 07, 2011, 12:44:PM
what the dogs picked up would very much depend on what sent they were given to track.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 07, 2011, 03:02:PM
Mike, I find your theory's a bit way out there.
 Are you saying they moved her around with the police, press and locals all watching their every move.
 The press were relentless. Don't you thinj the horizontal drain, anticipating that if police stumballed upon Maddies body there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 07, 2011, 07:31:PM
what the dogs picked up would very much depend on what sent they were given to track.

I think Cadaver dogs scent death.  I think they are trained on body farms like in the U.S.  There are other dogs that scent minute traces of human blood.  The dogs are specifically trained.   I dont think it can be argued that the dogs were given an item of Maddie's clothing, for example.  They would have picked up her scent all over the apartment.  The dogs were from a South Yorkshire specialist team.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on April 07, 2011, 08:13:PM
what the dogs picked up would very much depend on what sent they were given to track.








These two dogs, Eddie and Keela, are not tracker dogs in that they are not trained to follow the scent of a person.  Keela has been trained to detect only human blood even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.  The other dog, Eddie, has been trained to detect human remains and cadaver odour.  They have been used in hundreds of cases.  Obviously, they can't denote who the person was and are just a tool to be used alongside all other evidence.

The interesting thing about them being used in this case is that they alerted to two places in the holiday apartment -both of them behind the sofa, with just Eddie alerting at the wardrobe in the parents' bedroom.  He also alerted at the flower bed outside.

Other places they alerted to were an item of Madeleine's clothing, the cuddle cat, Kate's trousers, the luggage area of the hire car and the car keys.

Kate's response was that she had worn the trousers to work the previous week leading up to the holiday, where she was present at six deaths of patients during her work as a part-time GP, and that she had also taken the soft toy to work with her.   The smell in the boot of car was put down to 'dirty nappies'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2011, 12:19:PM
couldent the smell of blood be explined by the presnce of say sanintry towls.

i think if you a dog into most houses it would be able to smell blood.

as for smelling death what does death smell like.

i dident know it had a smell.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 08, 2011, 01:04:PM
couldent the smell of blood be explined by the presnce of say sanintry towls.

i think if you a dog into most houses it would be able to smell blood.

as for smelling death what does death smell like.

i dident know it had a smell.

Well, I think we are talking about recently deceased corspes here.  There may be no discernable smell left in the area where the corpse was originally deposited, to the human nose.  Dogs obviously have a sense of smell far in excess of human sensory abilities.  And these particular dogs are trained around corpses and rewarded for their discovery by their handlers. There will be minute traces of certain organic chemicals where a corpse has been stored.  Like a sort of minute trace recognition, that a dog would pick up on but a human would not.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on April 08, 2011, 08:59:PM
I think that the lungs begin to give off a certain odour as soon as they stop working, hence flies being attracted to the nostrils quite soon after death.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2011, 11:31:PM
i cant see hoe the mcanns could have dumped a body without the police or somebody else noticeing.

wouldent the police have looked all over the apartment in the first place.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 11, 2011, 01:22:PM
I believe those who hold the McCann's culpable allege that Maddie was removed from the apartment by Jerry as it was he who was apparently seen carrying a child down the street towards the beach.

He is supposed to have recovered the body later and buried her in a garden near the church. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on April 11, 2011, 09:18:PM
I believe those who hold the McCann's culpable allege that Maddie was removed from the apartment by Jerry as it was he who was apparently seen carrying a child down the street towards the beach.

He is supposed to have recovered the body later and buried her in a garden near the church.

So you've read Mike's posts in this thread then?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2011, 09:55:PM
so if the body was burnt in a near come the police didn't find any trace of this.

who saw Jerry mcann carrying a child down towards the beach

if this witness was reliable wouldn't the mcanns have been charged.

after the disappearance the entire world and as his wife were watching the mcanns every move.

wouldn't have been very easy for them to have disposed of body without being noticed
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 07, 2011, 03:26:PM
The key period in the solving of this case, is what took place between the parents, and their friends, between about 9.20pm, and 10pm, that evening. Who was present at the tapas bar, who left and went to the apartments, and who did not return to the tapas bar at around the time Kate returned to break the news that Maddie had been taken?

She was not abducted by any stranger, in my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2011, 03:45:PM
and who saw the mcanns going out who ever did it would of had to have be watching them for a fair while
it somone else who stayed there or somone who worked there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 07, 2011, 03:59:PM
This was an inside job, not one carried out by any outsider...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2011, 04:30:PM
dident another little girl go missing very near by that area and the police blamed the mother for it even going so far as to beat a confession out of her.

i think it was the same cop who investigated this case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 08, 2011, 11:05:PM
In Kate McCanns account about how Gerry had lowered the shutter of the bedroom window after finding Maddie gone, and how he had gone outside and raised up the steel shutter - this could not have happened, because the shutter at the bedroom window is fitted with a safety device to prevent anyone opening the shutter from outside the room. In order to open the shutter, you need to be inside the bedroom and you need to be manipulating a strap on the right hand side of the window which you need to pull away from the wall slightly and drag downwards - this will raise the steel shutter on the outside of the bedroom window. As far as is known, the steel shutter at the bedroom window, was not faulty and was in perfect working order at the time of the alleged disappearance of Maddie from apartment 5a...

I am returning to Portugal next week...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2011, 11:22:PM
oh i dont know that mike how did you get to see the statement.

is it public can anyone look at it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 08, 2011, 11:29:PM
oh i dont know that mike how did you get to see the statement.

is it public can anyone look at it.
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Case has been serialized in the Sun Newspaper from Saturday - it mentions it in Saturdays edition, and continues tomorrow in the Sun...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2011, 11:35:PM
dont think im haveing pop at you mike but are you saying your source for all this newspaper.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 13, 2011, 03:20:PM
Congratulations to David Cameron for instructing a comprehensive review in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.  Maybe this time round it will be substantiated that Maddy was indeed kidnapped by a person or persons unknown and that the McCann's have no culpability in her abduction as suggested by members of this forum.

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01309/SNA1301AZ-280_1309468a.jpg)

The Sun Article (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3578232/PM-David-Cameron-reopens-Maddie-McCann-files.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News#ixzz1MCQymLmW)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 15, 2011, 09:51:AM
Congratulations to David Cameron for instructing a comprehensive review in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.  Maybe this time round it will be sunstantiated that Maddy was indeed kidnapped by a person or persons unknown and that the McCann's have no culpability in her abduction as suggested by members of this forum.

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01309/SNA1301AZ-280_1309468a.jpg)

The Sun Article (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3578232/PM-David-Cameron-reopens-Maddie-McCann-files.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News#ixzz1MCQymLmW)

This is another one of those cases which is a huge enigma.  When I read that Amaral book, I went about 80/20 against the McCanns in terms of their culpability or knowledge of what happened.  I still dont know what to make re their dismissal of the cadaver and blood dogs, especially the hire car.   But to be so brazen as to force a Scotland Yard enquiry by appealing to the highest authority in the country just does not make them look guilty at all.  Can any of you remember when it had been suggested that U.S. satellite technology could potentially be used to examine what happened that evening? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 15, 2011, 10:07:AM
Amaral's book... 'Truth of the Lie' if anyone is interested and hasn't already read it...

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: andrea on May 15, 2011, 11:08:AM
those children should NOT have been left on their own. had an adult been with them maddie would still be here, simple as that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 15, 2011, 12:51:PM
Congratulations to David Cameron for instructing a comprehensive review in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.  Maybe this time round it will be sunstantiated that Maddy was indeed kidnapped by a person or persons unknown and that the McCann's have no culpability in her abduction as suggested by members of this forum.

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01309/SNA1301AZ-280_1309468a.jpg)

The Sun Article (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3578232/PM-David-Cameron-reopens-Maddie-McCann-files.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News#ixzz1MCQymLmW)

This is another one of those cases which is a huge enigma.  When I read that Amaral book, I went about 80/20 against the McCanns in terms of their culpability or knowledge of what happened.  I still dont know what to make re their dismissal of the cadaver and blood dogs, especially the hire car.   But to be so brazen as to force a Scotland Yard enquiry by appealing to the highest authority in the country just does not make them look guilty at all.  Can any of you remember when it had been suggested that U.S. satellite technology could potentially be used to examine what happened that evening?

I very much agree Rochford, what the hell was all that about?

It beggars belief that Amaral and the Portuguese police could get it so wrong but it happens. I wonder were they trying to take the easy way out and blame the parents?  Would that get them off the hook?

Kate and Gerry are bloody lucky not to be serving a prison sentence in Portugal at this time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 15, 2011, 12:53:PM
those children should NOT have been left on their own. had an adult been with them maddie would still be here, simple as that.

Pleeeeeeaaase......do you have children Andrea and if you do, did you never ever leave them on their own?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chochokeira on May 15, 2011, 01:09:PM
Congratulations to David Cameron for instructing a comprehensive review in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.  Maybe this time round it will be substantiated that Maddy was indeed kidnapped by a person or persons unknown and that the McCann's have no culpability in her abduction as suggested by members of this forum.

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01309/SNA1301AZ-280_1309468a.jpg)

The Sun Article (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3578232/PM-David-Cameron-reopens-Maddie-McCann-files.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News#ixzz1MCQymLmW)


I agree with you, John, my view is that if there were grounds to charge the McCanns that would have happened by now.  The McCanns are innocent until proven guilty in a fair trial. I am appalled by the witch hunt and vendetta against this couple. Those who claim that McCanns' responses and manner suggest their guilt should try to imagine how haunted and guilty they might appear to be if, following their child's disappearance, they were made the subject of a world wide internet witch hunt partly led by disturbed individuals with their own agendas.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 15, 2011, 01:33:PM
Congratulations to David Cameron for instructing a comprehensive review in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.  Maybe this time round it will be substantiated that Maddy was indeed kidnapped by a person or persons unknown and that the McCann's have no culpability in her abduction as suggested by members of this forum.

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01309/SNA1301AZ-280_1309468a.jpg)

The Sun Article (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3578232/PM-David-Cameron-reopens-Maddie-McCann-files.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News#ixzz1MCQymLmW)


I agree with you, John, my view is that if there were grounds to charge the McCanns that would have happened by now.  The McCanns are innocent until proven guilty in a fair trial. I am appalled by the witch hunt and vendetta against this couple. Those who claim that McCanns' responses and manner suggest their guilt should try to imagine how haunted and guilty they might appear to be if, following their child's disappearance, they were made the subject of a world wide internet witch hunt partly led by disturbed individuals with their own agendas.

I find posts by people like Mike who try to say that Maddy is buried in some corner of a garden and go on to post photographs of such a site to be wholly unhelpful.  Such comments add nothing to this debate.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 15, 2011, 02:03:PM
John, what's your opinion on the dogs?  I think Amaral and the PJ genuinely believed that the mcCanns knew more than they were letting on.  But Amaral was cut adrift, initially for political reasons... but then his book was banned from publication / general sale... by a portugese court, at the request of the McCann's. 

The McCann's are obviously highly intelligent people... but to carry off a lie of such magnitude seems beyond the realms of credibility.  Mind you, our mate Jeremy... also appears to have mindbending powers of manipulation  ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 15, 2011, 03:25:PM
The issue with the cadaver dogs is rather strange. Most likely they detected a false scent of some sort which got everyone all excited.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on May 16, 2011, 04:51:PM
those children should NOT have been left on their own. had an adult been with them maddie would still be here, simple as that.

Pleeeeeeaaase......do you have children Andrea and if you do, did you never ever leave them on their own?

That small children should never EVER be left unattended at any time. There was a babysitter service at the hotel the McCanns were staying at - they could have used that, had a pleasant night with their friends and Maddie would still be here.
They have to pay with what must be almost unbearable grief the rest of their lives for a very poor decision.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on May 16, 2011, 09:45:PM
Very, very true, abs, the McCanns have paid so dearly for their mistake. If I'm honest, I don't know many mums who haven't left a sleeping baby in the car while they've maybe nipped into school with an older child, something like that. It's a terrible gamble. But from what is being reported, Kate and Gerry seemed to leave their much-wanted, IVF children too often, or place them in various "clubs" while they went running, played tennis.............if they wanted a "grown-up" holiday, where they could socialise with their pals most nights, maybe they should have left the children at home, this once, with family. I'm possibly being unfair, but I alternate between feeling utter despair for them, and huge anger that they thought that they could leave 3 children sleeping, and occasionally pop in and check that their shapes were still under the blankets. But I so wish that they could find closure, and some sort of peace.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 17, 2011, 03:23:PM
Im so paranoid about anything happening to my daughter that if shes in bed at night i wont even sit out on our back garden unless i have baby moniter on (and shes 5!!!)

I always remember that little girl who was abducted out of her bathroom whilst her mum was on the phone or something and it made me worry so much!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 03:36:PM
Very, very true, abs, the McCanns have paid so dearly for their mistake. If I'm honest, I don't know many mums who haven't left a sleeping baby in the car while they've maybe nipped into school with an older child, something like that. It's a terrible gamble. But from what is being reported, Kate and Gerry seemed to leave their much-wanted, IVF children too often, or place them in various "clubs" while they went running, played tennis.............if they wanted a "grown-up" holiday, where they could socialise with their pals most nights, maybe they should have left the children at home, this once, with family. I'm possibly being unfair, but I alternate between feeling utter despair for them, and huge anger that they thought that they could leave 3 children sleeping, and occasionally pop in and check that their shapes were still under the blankets. But I so wish that they could find closure, and some sort of peace.

I think they just got into the habit of doing what they did Shona and possibly created a false sense of security. They didn't ask an intruder to abduct their daughter but as you state, they are paying a terrible price for it now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on May 17, 2011, 07:38:PM
Very, very true, abs, the McCanns have paid so dearly for their mistake. If I'm honest, I don't know many mums who haven't left a sleeping baby in the car while they've maybe nipped into school with an older child, something like that. It's a terrible gamble. But from what is being reported, Kate and Gerry seemed to leave their much-wanted, IVF children too often, or place them in various "clubs" while they went running, played tennis.............if they wanted a "grown-up" holiday, where they could socialise with their pals most nights, maybe they should have left the children at home, this once, with family. I'm possibly being unfair, but I alternate between feeling utter despair for them, and huge anger that they thought that they could leave 3 children sleeping, and occasionally pop in and check that their shapes were still under the blankets. But I so wish that they could find closure, and some sort of peace.

I think they just got into the habit of doing what they did Shona and possibly created a false sense of security. They didn't ask an intruder to abduct their daughter but as you state, they are paying a terrible price for it now.
Wow! John, I can't believe I am agreeing with you?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 17, 2011, 10:15:PM
I think the cadaver dogs were just having a bad day...(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-028.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on May 19, 2011, 12:25:AM
Mike - what news from your recent trip to Portugal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 02:53:AM
I wonder what his next fantasy will be?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: chelmsey on May 19, 2011, 10:52:AM
Has he gone to Portugal for a holiday? The McCanns are due over there at any time now to promote their book.I take it that Mikes choice of dates for his trip is not coincidental?   ;)

I just hope he doesnt bump in to the McCanns.................god could you imagine?   :o
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 19, 2011, 06:28:PM
Here's one of Mike on holiday in Portugal...

(http://i.imgur.com/SiAzd.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on May 19, 2011, 06:38:PM
Here's one of Mike on holiday in Portugal...

(http://i.imgur.com/SiAzd.jpg)

Did you go with him then?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 02:06:PM
Cancelled holiday to Portugal, because it coincided with return to Portugal of McCanns, and the opening of the review by Metropolitan police into the case. Instead went to Turkey, just got back this morning...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 02:09:PM
I will be making the information I gathered as part of my investigation into this case, available to the Metropolitan police review in due course, including all the photographic evidence I gathered whilst there, and the conclusions I came to, and arrived at...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 03:13:PM
I firmly believe that the remains of Maddie will be found in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL...

Only time will tell...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 03:32:PM
Gerry McCann knows more than he is letting on...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 03:38:PM
I believe that if the mattress that was present inside the derelict building is / was examined for DNA, it will prove or establish that Maddie was there inside that building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 20, 2011, 04:01:PM
Some people in Portugal believe that Gerry McCann dumped Maddie's body without Kate's knowledge.

There were a number of eye witness reports of someone of Gerry's description carrying Maddie away from the apartment - additional to the the family from Ireland. Certainly one from a waiter nearby - translated into 7 languages if my memory serves me well.

I'm not sure if the following Google search is still live....'Black bin liner McCann'.

The marriage between the McCann's may have been ( and remains ) something of a sham.

Welcome home Mike!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 04:01:PM
DNA evidence, clue?

Concealed clothing found in the grounds of the derelict building could hold DNA clues connected with the disappearance of Maddie McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 04:06:PM
Some people in Portugal believe that Gerry McCann dumped Maddie's body without Kate's knowledge.

There were a number of eye witness reports of someone of Gerry's description carrying Maddie away from the apartment - additional to the the family from Ireland. Certainly one from a waiter nearby - translated into 7 languages if my memory serves me well.

I'm not sure if the following Google search is still live....'Black bin liner McCann'.

The marriage between the McCann's may have been ( and remains ) something of a sham.

Welcome home Mike!
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Hi Ya...

Key time period for me, is between about 8:55pm, and 10pm...

There is something not quite right about the movements of Gerry, and his friends. between the tapas bar, and apartment block 5...

The key to solving this crime rests with these characters...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 04:07:PM
Bones found inside grounds of Derelict building could hold DNA clues in Maddie disappearance
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 20, 2011, 04:29:PM
Mike, do you think there was an agreement by Gerry and Jane Tanner to come up with the smokescreen of someone seen carrying a child away? The Tapas 9 seemed reluctant to agree to any form of re-construction. Seemed to me that Jane Tanner changed her story each time that she told it - somewhat akin to Ms Mugford.

On another point entirely...came across 2 dead bodies in a single dog walk here in Colchester on Tuesday evening...police in attendance at each scene. One white male hanging from a tree....followed 30 minutes later by a body under a blanket outside a flat - 'gunshot wounds to the stomach'....and all the locals saying 'you don't expect that kind of thing around here'....as per usual....still  no confirmation of identity of either victim...second believed male also.

Colchester has a very high suicide rate with very few reported in the media.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 04:53:PM
Mike, do you think there was an agreement by Gerry and Jane Tanner to come up with the smokescreen of someone seen carrying a child away? The Tapas 9 seemed reluctant to agree to any form of re-construction. Seemed to me that Jane Tanner changed her story each time that she told it - somewhat akin to Ms Mugford.

On another point entirely...came across 2 dead bodies in a single dog walk here in Colchester on Tuesday evening...police in attendance at each scene. One white male hanging from a tree....followed 30 minutes later by a body under a blanket outside a flat - 'gunshot wounds to the stomach'....and all the locals saying 'you don't expect that kind of thing around here'....as per usual....still  no confirmation of identity of either victim...second believed male also.

Colchester has a very high suicide rate with very few reported in the media.
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Funny you should mention Jane Tanner, I find her evidence very suspect - in the serialized McCann parents story in the sun recently, Kate speaks about Jane Tanner's description of Maddie's pajamas, as being some sort of proof that Jane did see a man carrying off, the child, but what if Tanner was involved in the disappearance? She would have also known what Pajamas Maddie was wearing at the time she was taken?

Jane Tanner could have been part of the events which led up to Maddie disappearing from apartment 5a, in my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 05:00:PM
I will be making the information I gathered as part of my investigation into this case, available to the Metropolitan police review in due course, including all the photographic evidence I gathered whilst there, and the conclusions I came to, and arrived at...

It's a pity you missed the McCann interview on Sky TV Mike, they really are such a lovely couple.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 05:03:PM
I will be making the information I gathered as part of my investigation into this case, available to the Metropolitan police review in due course, including all the photographic evidence I gathered whilst there, and the conclusions I came to, and arrived at...

It's a pity you missed the McCann interview on Sky TV Mike, they really are such a lovely couple.
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Yes, I would have liked to have seen that...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 05:05:PM
I firmly believe that the remains of Maddie will be found in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL...

Only time will tell...

Utter nonsense Mike, your basis for that belief is pure fantasy.  Why do you post such nonsense, what have the McCann's ever done to you?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 05:07:PM
Some people in Portugal believe that Gerry McCann dumped Maddie's body without Kate's knowledge.

There were a number of eye witness reports of someone of Gerry's description carrying Maddie away from the apartment - additional to the the family from Ireland. Certainly one from a waiter nearby - translated into 7 languages if my memory serves me well.

I'm not sure if the following Google search is still live....'Black bin liner McCann'.

The marriage between the McCann's may have been ( and remains ) something of a sham.

Welcome home Mike!

Is that the same Gerry McCann who was sat having his evening meal in the nearby Tapas bar?

Maybe he has a doppelgänger?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 20, 2011, 05:08:PM
Funny how Jane Tanner's 'egg man' gradually grew into that photo identikit...with brown shoes glowing in the darkness no less!

Funny also that she may not even have been anywhere near 5a at the time she quotes....certainly not seen by Gerry's tennis compatriot at the time....nor come to think of it, by Gerry himself!

No wonder the re-construction was a problem.

Something else...did you know that the Secret Service in Portugal worked on the case from around Day 2 or 3? They may have been tracking the McCann's.

Gerry does at least seem to have some kind of alibi around this time....by way of the street conversation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2011, 05:15:PM
with all that media and police attention from day 1

the mcans couldn't have done anything without being caught

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 05:17:PM
You know nugnug I will have to agree with you on that one. Could this be the rebirth of a wonderful relationship?   (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angelic013.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 05:17:PM
I firmly believe that the remains of Maddie will be found in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL...

Only time will tell...

Utter nonsense Mike, your basis for that belief is pure fantasy.  Why do you post such nonsense, what have the McCann's ever done to you?
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You call it what you will, wait and see - you haven't been there, you don't know...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 05:20:PM
Once the grounds of the derelict building are thoroughly searched, and items found there are forensically examined for DNA, the truth about what happened to Maddie will eventually be revealed for the world to see...


Lets us not forget that soon after Maddie went missing that the parents used to visit this church in the middle of the night, a derelict building only a matter of yards away, where the body of a poor little child victim could easily be disposed of in complete seclusion:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 05:35:PM
My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 05:39:PM
My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...

How would you know if it had been searched Mike?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 05:53:PM
My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...

How would you know if it had been searched Mike?
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police records and visual examination, see the photographs later and make your own mind up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 05:56:PM
My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...

How would you know if it had been searched Mike?
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police records and visual examination, see the photographs later and make your own mind up...

So you are privy to police records in Portugal now?  ...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 08:02:PM
My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...

How would you know if it had been searched Mike?
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police records and visual examination, see the photographs later and make your own mind up...

So you are privy to police records in Portugal now?  ...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.
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Stop being an idiot - of course I have had access to some police records like anyone else who has read the Maddie case files. Why is it that all you appear to do is try to cause trouble, as though your some sort of superhuman being who knows everything? Now if you want to talk or debate then fine, but otherwise get lost...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Paul on May 20, 2011, 08:09:PM
Here's one of Mike on holiday in Portugal...

(http://i.imgur.com/SiAzd.jpg)

Did you go with him then?

Made me laugh! +1
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 08:54:PM
My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...

How would you know if it had been searched Mike?
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police records and visual examination, see the photographs later and make your own mind up...

So you are privy to police records in Portugal now?  ...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.
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Stop being an idiot - of course I have had access to some police records like anyone else who has read the Maddie case files. Why is it that all you appear to do is try to cause trouble, as though your some sort of superhuman being who knows everything? Now if you want to talk or debate then fine, but otherwise get lost...

Charming...is that the attitude that advocates for Jeremy Beagle Bamber should be promoting?

Funny how everyone who disagrees with you is causing trouble?

Why am I not surprised?    (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad056.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 09:04:PM
Nice snaps but what do they tell us other than the sun shines brightly in Portugal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 20, 2011, 09:14:PM
Mike you cant call people names just because they challenge your opinion!

If you think it needs searching grab a spade and dig away, take Jackie with you i could do with a break from her copy and paste posts!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 09:18:PM
Mike you cant call people names just because they challenge your opinion!

If you think it needs searching grab a spade and dig away, take Jackie with you i could do with a break from her copy and paste posts!
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Lets get the facts right, anyone starts making the kind of remarks these people keep making, I am entitled to say whatever I want to them. Its not a case of anyone agreeing with what I say or not, its the comments and the way these people make them which will always get the same kind of response from me - simple, anybody can say anything and believe in anything, no need to make insulting comments about anyone, unless those people take the first step - anyway I don't particularly care what anyone thinks of me...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 20, 2011, 09:34:PM
I hope the McCann's get their child back sooner than later and put this nonsense to rest once and for all.  You would think some people didn't want a happy ending the way they go on?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 10:41:PM
I hope the McCann's get their child back sooner than later and put this nonsense to rest once and for all.  You would think some people didn't want a happy ending the way they go on?
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We would all like to think that it will have an happy ending but it won't turn out like that sadly, because Maddie is in the spirit world...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 11:31:PM
Place where McCanns hired hire car was across the street from the church, and next door to the derelict building - making it convenient for the perpetrators to move the body and evidence from place to place in the boot of the hire car. Fact that hire car was parked up in street outside the church and near to the hire shop and derelict building did little to raise anyones suspicions...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2011, 11:34:PM
To whom do the clothes found in the derelict building belong to, which member of the "tapas 9" group?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on May 21, 2011, 01:23:AM
Mike, did you bring any samples back (e.g. soil or clothing) that could be tested for DNA?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: CHRIS T on May 21, 2011, 07:29:AM
My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...

How would you know if it had been searched Mike?
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police records and visual examination, see the photographs later and make your own mind up...

So you are privy to police records in Portugal now?  ...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.
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Stop being an idiot - of course I have had access to some police records like anyone else who has read the Maddie case files. Why is it that all you appear to do is try to cause trouble, as though your some sort of superhuman being who knows everything? Now if you want to talk or debate then fine, but otherwise get lost...

Charming...is that the attitude that advocates for Jeremy Beagle Bamber should be promoting?

Funny how everyone who disagrees with you is causing trouble?

Why am I not surprised?    (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad056.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Why do you have to be so sarcastic, rude, insulting and condescending, in almost all of your posts to other members on here, John? It is really beginning to piss people off! In case you hadn't noticed, there are many individuals out there who are suspicious of the account/story the McCann's have given, and continue to give, regarding the disappearance of their daughter, (and for very good reason). It does not mean that those who have a hard time buying the McCann's official story do not want to see a happy ending in this case, on the contrary, all they want to see is justice done for little Maddie, whoever is behind her disappearance.

I for one respect Mike T for the work he is doing in this case (as i do regarding all he has done, and continues to do for Jeremy Bambers). I don't see anything at all wrong with his attitude (shame we can't say the same about yours), and he is respectful to members at all times. The only time he is not, is when it is called for.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 21, 2011, 08:28:AM
John is clearly an aka for Daphne.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 21, 2011, 10:08:AM
Im so paranoid about anything happening to my daughter that if shes in bed at night i wont even sit out on our back garden unless i have baby moniter on (and shes 5!!!)

I always remember that little girl who was abducted out of her bathroom whilst her mum was on the phone or something and it made me worry so much!

That happened just over the water from my town.  Thank God the little mite was found.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 21, 2011, 10:33:AM
Im so paranoid about anything happening to my daughter that if shes in bed at night i wont even sit out on our back garden unless i have baby moniter on (and shes 5!!!)

I always remember that little girl who was abducted out of her bathroom whilst her mum was on the phone or something and it made me worry so much!

That happened just over the water from my town.  Thank God the little mite was found.

Yes thank god!

Too many nutcases around now for our kids to be safe anywhere!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tonyb on May 21, 2011, 10:34:AM
Place where McCanns hired hire car was across the street from the church, and next door to the derelict building - making it convenient for the perpetrators to move the body and evidence from place to place in the boot of the hire car. Fact that hire car was parked up in street outside the church and near to the hire shop and derelict building did little to raise anyones suspicions...
  Isn't that the car the police impounded to examine? I'll be the first to admit I don't know or if it's been brought up earlier but if a body had of been in the car there would be trace evidence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 21, 2011, 10:44:AM
Place where McCanns hired hire car was across the street from the church, and next door to the derelict building - making it convenient for the perpetrators to move the body and evidence from place to place in the boot of the hire car. Fact that hire car was parked up in street outside the church and near to the hire shop and derelict building did little to raise anyones suspicions...
  Isn't that the car the police impounded to examine? I'll be the first to admit I don't know or if it's been brought up earlier but if a body had of been in the car there would be trace evidence?

According to the dogs there was.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 10:46:AM
Upon my return to the Uk, after my week long stay in PDL, I sent the photographs I took of the derelict building and its grounds, including the bones, and the clothing, to the Portuguese police, asking them to carry out a proper investigation of the site, and for them to seize the clothing, which I believe was worn by one of the persons involved in the disappearance of Maddie from apartment 5a...

They confirmed receipt of my email and attachments to them...

Items of clothing found there, may contain crucial DNA evidence, belonging to the perpetrator, and Maddie - sizes for each garment and the labels upon them will obviously provide fundamental clues as to the identity of the individual concerned, as well as possible clues as to where those items were purchased from, by way of credit cards, or whatever...

What struck me, when I examined the clothing was that there were individual strands of light colored hair attached to the jumper / pullover, which could possibly have been a link to Maddie...

The bones I discovered at the site, need to be examined to establish whether they are human, and for DNA, if they are...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 10:51:AM
Hire car...

This was rented by the McCanns at the local car hire shop in PDL, opposite the church and next door to the derelict building - it would not have looked out of place being parked up in the street outside the hire shop after it was hired by the McCanns...

It could so easily have been parked up at night adjacent to the derelict building so that at an opportune moment, things could have been taken or placed into the boot, between it and the derelict building or vice Versa...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 21, 2011, 01:31:PM
Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 02:59:PM
Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?
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Yes, I have read, "truth of the lie", and I think he made some very good points that expose the myth that Maddie was abducted by a stranger from apartment 5a, in between about 9:05pm and 10pm that evening whilst her parents were wining and dining at the nearby tapas bar. I with Amaral, in his view that members of the tapas bar helped to dispose of the body, or knew something about Maddie's disappearance, more than they were letting on...

Although he concludes as a result of the cadaver / bloodhound dogs, that Maddie's body was concealed at the apartment behind the settee in the lounge, or in the main bedroom in a space between the side of the bed, and a cupboard, and in the garden beneath the patio veranda, I have had time to reflect a little, and I am now of the opinion that Maddies body would not necessarily have had to be there, it could have been clothing worn by either Maddie or the person or persons who were responsible for moving Maddies body at a later stage - for example, clothing, or a bag, or anything that could have been used to wrap up Maddie's remains whilst it was being moved from one place to another could have been placed out of sight temporarily, in the places or locations where the dogs gave a positive reaction and this is what the dogs picked up on?

The same argument could be made for the way the dogs reacted at the boot of the hire car - things could have been carried in the boot that was either worn, or used during the displacement of the body at a later time to its current location...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 21, 2011, 03:22:PM
Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?
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Yes, I have read, "truth of the lie", and I think he made some very good points that expose the myth that Maddie was abducted by a stranger from apartment 5a, in between about 9:05pm and 10pm that evening whilst her parents were wining and dining at the nearby tapas bar. I with Amaral, in his view that members of the tapas bar helped to dispose of the body, or knew something about Maddie's disappearance, more than they were letting on...

Although he concludes as a result of the cadaver / bloodhound dogs, that Maddie's body was concealed at the apartment behind the settee in the lounge, or in the main bedroom in a space between the side of the bed, and a cupboard, and in the garden beneath the patio veranda, I have had time to reflect a little, and I am now of the opinion that Maddies body would not necessarily have had to be there, it could have been clothing worn by either Maddie or the person or persons who were responsible for moving Maddies body at a later stage - for example, clothing, or a bag, or anything that could have been used to wrap up Maddie's remains whilst it was being moved from one place to another could have been placed out of sight temporarily, in the places or locations where the dogs gave a positive reaction and this is what the dogs picked up on?

The same argument could be made for the way the dogs reacted at the boot of the hire car - things could have been carried in the boot that was either worn, or used during the displacement of the body at a later time to its current location...

I bought in to his arguments to.  I can see your point about items having been in contact with maddie postmortem.  Those dogs pretty much sealed my opinions against the McCann's and their associates having some knowledge what happened.  I cant understand how anyone can write them off.  But i cant understand how the McCann's could take the stance that they since have.  If they do know what actually happened, stirring up further high level enquires would amount to a brazenness difficult to comprehend. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 04:01:PM
Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?
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Yes, I have read, "truth of the lie", and I think he made some very good points that expose the myth that Maddie was abducted by a stranger from apartment 5a, in between about 9:05pm and 10pm that evening whilst her parents were wining and dining at the nearby tapas bar. I with Amaral, in his view that members of the tapas bar helped to dispose of the body, or knew something about Maddie's disappearance, more than they were letting on...

Although he concludes as a result of the cadaver / bloodhound dogs, that Maddie's body was concealed at the apartment behind the settee in the lounge, or in the main bedroom in a space between the side of the bed, and a cupboard, and in the garden beneath the patio veranda, I have had time to reflect a little, and I am now of the opinion that Maddies body would not necessarily have had to be there, it could have been clothing worn by either Maddie or the person or persons who were responsible for moving Maddies body at a later stage - for example, clothing, or a bag, or anything that could have been used to wrap up Maddie's remains whilst it was being moved from one place to another could have been placed out of sight temporarily, in the places or locations where the dogs gave a positive reaction and this is what the dogs picked up on?

The same argument could be made for the way the dogs reacted at the boot of the hire car - things could have been carried in the boot that was either worn, or used during the displacement of the body at a later time to its current location...

I bought in to his arguments to.  I can see your point about items having been in contact with maddie postmortem.  Those dogs pretty much sealed my opinions against the McCann's and their associates having some knowledge what happened.  I cant understand how anyone can write them off.  But i cant understand how the McCann's could take the stance that they since have.  If they do know what actually happened, stirring up further high level enquires would amount to a brazenness difficult to comprehend.
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If the hire car was used to move the remains of Maddie from one place to the other, in the boot of the hire car, or to carry items used in the removal, displacement and disposal of her remains, the dogs would have reacted in the way they did, without the body necessarily having physically been in the boot...

As I say...

if the hire car had been parked up outside in the street near the car hire shop, church and derelict building, it would not have raised any eyebrows, or suspicion because the hire car would normally be parked up in that part of the street on the occasions it was waiting to be hired...

Let us remind ourselves also, that the church became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - they were given a key to the church doors so that they could go there in the middle of the night, a feature which upset the local residents/ parishioners...

Just across the street, was the derelict building, with its isolated grounds...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 04:06:PM
Significance of the Smith family sighting:-

Gerry McCann  was identified as the person seen carrying a child who could have been Maddie, in close proximity to "LUZdoc", and may have been an attempt by him to get medical assistance, but it was closed at the time of the alleged sighting...

The LUZdoc building is situated down towards the coastline, in the general direction where the Smith contingent were confronted by the man who could have been Gerry McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 21, 2011, 04:14:PM
Significance of the Smith family sighting:-

Gerry McCann  was identified as the person seen carrying a child who could have been Maddie, in close proximity to "LUZdoc", and may have been an attempt by him to get medical assistance, but it was closed at the time of the alleged sighting...

The LUZdoc building is situated down towards the coastline, in the general direction where the Smith contingent were confronted by the man who could have been Gerry McCann...

He has a doppelgänger then as he couldn't be in two places at once? 

It was said that the child could have been MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 04:22:PM
Significance of the Smith family sighting:-

Gerry McCann  was identified as the person seen carrying a child who could have been Maddie, in close proximity to "LUZdoc", and may have been an attempt by him to get medical assistance, but it was closed at the time of the alleged sighting...

The LUZdoc building is situated down towards the coastline, in the general direction where the Smith contingent were confronted by the man who could have been Gerry McCann...

He has a doppelgänger then as he couldn't be in two places at once? 

It was said that the child could have been MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.'
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There is no proof that Gerry McCann was sat at the tapas bar restaurant at the time the Smith family saw the man carrying off Maddie, the CCTV machine in the bar was not working that night, at least that is what I understand from reading the Maddie files. The stories given by different members of the tapas 9 do not add up, about the movements of everybody, timings are out, and reasons for being absent from the bar are not clear, in all cases...

Smith family say that they left Kellys bar, at about 9:30pm, it does not mean that it was 9:30pm, and in any event there would be some delay between leaving Kellys bar and the spot where they were confronted by the man carrying the child who could have been Maddie...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 21, 2011, 04:29:PM
In an interview with the Drogheda Independent the Smiths state that they remembered passing a man walking towards the beach with a child in his arms.
 
Other than his approximate height and the fact that he was wearing beige clothes they cannot be more specific than that. 'We are annoyed at how vague our description is,' said the family member.

From the horses mouth...why did they not return to Portugal for the reconstruction?

Drogheda Independent article (http://www.drogheda-independent.ie/frontpage/drogheda-family-hit-out-over-madeleine-case-clue-coverage-1060695.html)

The Smith's sighting (http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 04:34:PM
In an interview with the Drogheda Independent the Smiths state that they remembered passing a man walking towards the beach with a child in his arms.
 
Other than his approximate height and the fact that he was wearing beige clothes they cannot be more specific than that. 'We are annoyed at how vague our description is,' said the family member.

From the horses mouth...why did they not return to Portugal for the reconstruction?

Drogheda Independent article (http://www.drogheda-independent.ie/frontpage/drogheda-family-hit-out-over-madeleine-case-clue-coverage-1060695.html)



[url=http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html]The Smith's sighting (http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html[The Smith's sighting[/url)
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Sighting took place on a street near to "LUZdoc", in the general direction of the beach away from apartment 5a...

On Gerry's own version of events it was not long after 10 O'clock that he went out looking for Maddie in the streets...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 04:40:PM
I think the Smith sighting at around 10pm, is more significant and reliable than the earlier Jane Tanner sighting, which I believe was concocted with a view to diverting attention away from the truth about what actually took place...

The Met. need to take a very close look at Jane Tanner, and her partner, and what they got up to that evening? Their movements between the tapas bar and the apartment block where Maddie was tucked up in bed, needs to be scrutinized very closely...

And the movements of Russell O'Brien, in particular...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 05:01:PM
It would take about 6 / 7 minutes to walk directly down to the beach from apartment 5a, and about 10 minutes if someone walked the route to where the Smith Contingent saw the man carrying off the child believed to have been Maddie...

A footpath to the beach in that general direction gave access to the second horizontal drain, where Maddie's body could have been originally and temporarily concealed, close to where small fishing boats are moored up at night...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 05:03:PM
Derelict building and its grounds and the church, are only a short way from this second horizontal drain...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 05:08:PM
There were three access points to get into the derelict building and its grounds:-

(1) through front door which was locked, so someone would need a key to get in by this route

(2) through small gate at front side of building

(3) Over wall adjacent to pub, at rear of premises...

Use of hire car parked in street outside derelict building would be the perfect foil for anyone wanting to move the body or its remains or items (used in the movement of the body) to or from the building...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 21, 2011, 05:10:PM
It wasn't Gerry McCann and nobody identified him carrying any child that night.  If what the Smiths are saying is gospel and I for one believe them, they witnessed an abductor carrying Maddy to a car that night and to a clean get-away since the Portuguese cops failed to put a proper extended search perimeter in place.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 05:11:PM
A coastal footpath runs from the location of the second horizontal drain near the small fishing boats, to the concrete steps and footpath at the side of the pub and access to the grounds of the derelict building - which could have been used when Maddie's body was transferred to its last resting place...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 05:13:PM
It wasn't Gerry McCann and nobody identified him carrying any child that night.  If what the smiths are saying is gospel and I for one believe them, they witnesses an abductor carrying Maddy to a car and a get away.
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I think the Smith sighting is the closest anybody is going to get to the truth out of the current information available, the Met. might uncover more information...

Why would any would be abductor carry Maddie all that way to put her in a car and risk being spotted along the route he took from apartment 5a? He would surely have had a car closer to the place were the abduction was to take place, not on the other side of town...

In my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 21, 2011, 05:16:PM
Maybe he didn't want his car to be seen.   ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 05:55:PM
Maybe he didn't want his car to be seen.   ::)
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Gerry McCann and the other members of the tapas group did not have a car at that time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 21, 2011, 05:58:PM
We are discussing the abductor, not Gerry McCann!  The abductor would have had his car parked nearby just in case someone like the Smith's would have thought to take his registration number.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 21, 2011, 06:07:PM
We are discussing the abductor, not Gerry McCann!  The abductor would have had his car parked nearby just in case someone like the Smith's would have thought to take his registration number.

John, have you read Amaral's book, 'Truth of the Lie'?  The link is on this thread.  Obviously I know your standpoint... but I wondered if you had already considered Amaral's arguments in coming to your standpoint.  He comes across as no fool and he has the policing  / investigative experience from the portugese perspective.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 06:12:PM
We are discussing the abductor, not Gerry McCann!  The abductor would have had his car parked nearby just in case someone like the Smith's would have thought to take his registration number.
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If there was an abductor it was one of the tapas group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 21, 2011, 06:29:PM
Does anyone believe that Murat actually had any involvement? Him and his (dutch I think) friend? There was alot of communication between them that evening,and Murats rubbernecking was odd.I always wondered about a link between Murat and Russell OBrien (one of the tapas group).And Russell was not at the tapas restuarant that evening as his child was apparantly sick? Probably way off here arnt I?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 06:31:PM
Lets look at the sightings of Jane Tanner and the Smith Contingent - none of them saw any would be abductor wearing any gloves, no fingerprints or unidentified DNA was ever found at or in apartment 5a, in particular in the vicinity of the bedroom window, with the metal shutter that could not be opened from the outside (contrary to what the McCanns claim)...

So...

we have a would be abductor who does not wear any gloves, and he leaves no fingerprints anywhere at the scene from where Maddie vanished off the face of the earth?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 21, 2011, 06:34:PM
Was the cuddle cat ever forensically tested do you know? Because the McCanns say that the abductor took the toy from Maddie and placed it on a shelf.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 21, 2011, 06:46:PM
I really dont know what to make of this case!

On one hand i think the Mcanns and their friends know much more than they are letting on!

On the other hand if they are involved why Push for a case review where evidence could possibly be found high lighting their involvement.

My initial thoughts wheni heard about this case was that she had been harmed accidently and they have covered up but surely someone would have cracked under pressure by now.

Kate mcann looks tortured no doubt about it but is it guilt over leaving maddy that night or guilt over something else.

Regardless that whole group behaved badly leaving their kids like they did.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2011, 06:46:PM
Did Jane Tanner Lie?

(1) http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t286-jane-tanner-liar
(2) http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1888-the-day-when-jane-tanner-sobbed-and-told-all-to-the-sun

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 21, 2011, 07:16:PM
Tried looking for a link to the book the detective wrote but cant find one!!

Can anybody point me in the right direction please??
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 21, 2011, 09:11:PM
Tried looking for a link to the book the detective wrote but cant find one!!

Can anybody point me in the right direction please??

This is it:

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 21, 2011, 10:12:PM
No trace or evidence of an abductor.

Claims that the window shutter was somehow forced open are false.

Police in Portugal never bite on the abduction line at the time or since.

Maddie may have left the apartment of her own accord.

She was known for her sleepwalking back home.

Maddie was most likely sedated with the sleepwalking in mind.

******* useless parenting.

******* stupid people, Gerry in particular.

I would be looking at the inner circle of the 'Tapas 9' before anyone or anything else.

Last person or persons to see the little girl alive?

Who knows?

Maybe O'Brien.

Maybe Tanner.

I think Maddie died that night and possibly in 5a.

Her body is nearby or in the sea.

The local refuse was dumped at sea at around 3am - I had all this checked out at the time.

British police did not believe in the abduction either, hence the dogs etc.

Kate McCann used medical terminology at the time that indicated death.

The priest would have confirmed this but went awol.

Accidental death and hiding the body ticked most boxes in Portugal and the UK.

It still does.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 21, 2011, 10:38:PM
if the McCann were hiding her body would they of alerted the police to the fact she was missing.

they would have to be mad to do that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 02:12:AM
Most logical nuggy, it would have served their purpose to have waited until the morning and then pretended to have found her cot empty then.

+1 missy
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 22, 2011, 11:21:AM
Am in the process of reading Kates book. Was a little shocked to learn that Gerry managed to get some sleep in the early hours of Maddies disappearance.I would have thought that the adrenalin would be enough to keep anyone from sleeping?Just dont think that I could have sat in the apartment full stop.Id have been searching all through the night.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 22, 2011, 04:56:PM
Tried looking for a link to the book the detective wrote but cant find one!!

Can anybody point me in the right direction please??

This is it:

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/

Thankyou!!

Just reading it now!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2011, 06:36:PM
if the McCann were hiding her body would they of alerted the police to the fact she was missing.

they would have to be mad to do that.
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unless they were sure that the body was so well concealed elsewhere that they were confident the police would not find it, or associate it to them in the early stages...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 22, 2011, 08:56:PM
In Kates book,she is sticking with her story that the abductor must have exited through the window as it was wide open and the shutters were up.Now Im really confused,because I thought that this was found not to be the case after-all? The McCanns are adamant that someone may have been watching the apartment prior to Maddies disappearance,watching the McCanns comings and goings to ascertain thier routine.Surely then,the abductor would know that they were using the patio door and not locking it behind them? Why then would you use a window as an escape route,when there was the choice of two doors as exits?Is there a clear photograph of the childrens bedroom window avaliable? I would have imagined that it would be very hard to exit a window with a sleeping child in your arms?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 09:12:PM
I would believe Kate McCann every time, her commitment to her lost daughter is heart-warming.

Anyone who thinks that the McCanns could have moved a body or achieved anything else suspicious under the noses of the world's media are somewhat deluded...conspiracy theories are like chaff...they blow away in the wind after a while and all we are left with is the truth.

Someone posted yesterday that Gerry McCann was seen by the Smith family carrying a child down the street on the night that Maddie disappeared...what a load of tosh...I think the Smith family know what they saw and it certainly wasn't Gerry McCann!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2011, 09:21:PM
this is a strange experience for me john for once i am in complete agreement with you.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 09:24:PM
this is a strange experience for me john for once i am in complete agreement with you.

You are cheating nuggy, I told you that first yesterday!  A strange feeling isn't it?   ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2011, 09:52:PM
I would believe Kate McCann every time, her commitment to her lost daughter is heart-warming.

Anyone who thinks that the McCanns could have moved a body or achieved anything else suspicious under the noses of the world's media are somewhat deluded...conspiracy theories are like chaff...they blow away in the wind after a while and all we are left with is the truth.

Someone posted yesterday that Gerry McCann was seen by the Smith family carrying a child down the street on the night that Maddie disappeared...what a load of tosh...I think the Smith family know what they saw and it certainly wasn't Gerry McCann!
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The McCann story about the shutters at the bedroom window being forced open from the outside is hogwash - it would have been impossible for anyone to open the steel shutter from outside the bedroom window of apartment 5a as claimed by them, they are liars. You have to be inside the bedroom and operate a strap on the right hand side of the window in order to operate the steel shutter to go up or down...

Nobody has been able to raise the steel shutter at that bedroom window from the outside, since the time of Maddie's alleged abduction, so how could any would be abductor have do so on the night in question?

Why don't the McCanns go back and do a reconstruction that is filmed to show how Gerry McCann allegedly was able to raise that steel shutter at that bedroom window from outside as he claimed he did on the night of the purported disappearance of his daughter?



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 10:00:PM
I would believe Kate McCann every time, her commitment to her lost daughter is heart-warming.

Anyone who thinks that the McCanns could have moved a body or achieved anything else suspicious under the noses of the world's media are somewhat deluded...conspiracy theories are like chaff...they blow away in the wind after a while and all we are left with is the truth.

Someone posted yesterday that Gerry McCann was seen by the Smith family carrying a child down the street on the night that Maddie disappeared...what a load of tosh...I think the Smith family know what they saw and it certainly wasn't Gerry McCann!
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The McCann story about the shutters at the bedroom window being forced open from the outside is hogwash - it would have been impossible for anyone to open the steel shutter from outside the bedroom window of apartment 5a as claimed by them, they are liars. You have to be inside the bedroom and operate a strap on the right hand side of the window in order to operate the steel shutter to go up or down...

Nobody has been able to raise the steel shutter at that bedroom window from the outside, since the time of Maddie's alleged abduction, so how could any would be abductor have do so on the night in question?

Why don't the McCanns go back and do a reconstruction that is filmed to show how Gerry McCann allegedly was able to raise that steel shutter at that bedroom window from outside as he claimed he did on the night of the purported disappearance of his daughter?

Not at all Mike, I have the very same shutters on my villa in Spain and as long as the two horizontal safety snibs are deployed at the bottom they can be lifted up from the outside or the inside without using the strap.

There is absolutely nothing to stop the shutters being lifted from the outside when the locks are not deployed. Anyone who knows about such things will also know that the snibs are seldom used leading to corrosion making them difficult to use if anyone were ever to try.

Apparently whoever tried to lift them didn't know much about their operation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2011, 11:18:PM
I would believe Kate McCann every time, her commitment to her lost daughter is heart-warming.

Anyone who thinks that the McCanns could have moved a body or achieved anything else suspicious under the noses of the world's media are somewhat deluded...conspiracy theories are like chaff...they blow away in the wind after a while and all we are left with is the truth.

Someone posted yesterday that Gerry McCann was seen by the Smith family carrying a child down the street on the night that Maddie disappeared...what a load of tosh...I think the Smith family know what they saw and it certainly wasn't Gerry McCann!
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The McCann story about the shutters at the bedroom window being forced open from the outside is hogwash - it would have been impossible for anyone to open the steel shutter from outside the bedroom window of apartment 5a as claimed by them, they are liars. You have to be inside the bedroom and operate a strap on the right hand side of the window in order to operate the steel shutter to go up or down...

Nobody has been able to raise the steel shutter at that bedroom window from the outside, since the time of Maddie's alleged abduction, so how could any would be abductor have do so on the night in question?

Why don't the McCanns go back and do a reconstruction that is filmed to show how Gerry McCann allegedly was able to raise that steel shutter at that bedroom window from outside as he claimed he did on the night of the purported disappearance of his daughter?

Not at all Mike, I have the very same shutters on my villa in Spain and as long as the two horizontal safety snibs are deployed at the bottom they can be lifted up from the outside or the inside without using the strap.

There is absolutely nothing to stop the shutters being lifted from the outside when the locks are not deployed. Anyone who knows about such things will also know that the snibs are seldom used leading to corrosion making them difficult to use if anyone were ever to try.

Apparently whoever tried to lift them didn't know much about their operation.
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no such locks exist on the shutters in apartment 5a, I visited the same apartment blocks in PDL and took photographs showing the mechanism which operated the steel shutter at the window of apartment 5a, there is no such devices that you speak about, you are obviously seriously mistaken about them being the same shutters you speak about...

I will post my photographs some time tomorrow, to put your mind at rest...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 22, 2011, 11:27:PM
no such locks exist on the shutters in apartment 5a, I visited the same apartment blocks in PDL and took photographs showing the mechanism which operated the steel shutter at the window of apartment 5a, there is no such devices that you speak about, you are obviously seriously mistaken about them being the same shutters you speak about...

I will post my photographs some time tomorrow, to put your mind at rest...

That will be interesting as they are a standard feature on such shutters.

The bars are fitted on the bottom of the shutter, one on each side and fit into holes drilled in the vertical U-section in which the shutters run. A simple but effective locking mechanism.

When the windows are open the shutters can be closed but set in such a way that plenty of air can still enter the room whilst maintaining security.  The McCann's possibly didn't see the locking device which does not surprise me.

(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/423263083/roller_shutter.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 09:28:AM
no such locks exist on the shutters in apartment 5a, I visited the same apartment blocks in PDL and took photographs showing the mechanism which operated the steel shutter at the window of apartment 5a, there is no such devices that you speak about, you are obviously seriously mistaken about them being the same shutters you speak about...

I will post my photographs some time tomorrow, to put your mind at rest...

That will be interesting as they are a standard feature on such shutters.

The bars are fitted on the bottom of the shutter, one on each side and fit into holes drilled in the vertical U-section in which the shutters run. A simple but effective locking mechanism.

When the windows are open the shutters can be closed but set in such a way that plenty of air can still enter the room whilst maintaining security.  The McCann's possibly didn't see the locking device which does not surprise me.

(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/423263083/roller_shutter.jpg)
... Device for deactivating window shutter at 5a, is located on right hand side of window, inside bedroom, and cannot be operated by anyone outside the room - since, the strap which deactivates the security device on the steel window shutter of 5a, needs to be pulled diagonally away from the vertical face of the bedroom wall and pulled downwards in order to raise the shutter on the outside of the window, a feat which cannot be achieved by someone standing outside the room on the other side of the closed shutter. According to the McCanns the bedroom window, curtains, and the steel shutter was closed, when they left 5a to go galavanting off to the tapas bar - the window shutter was also still noted to be in the closed position by Russel O'Brien when at just before 9 O'clock he claims to have put his ear to the bedroom steel shutter of 5a, en route to the tapas bar. In addition, Gerry McCann checked 5a at about 9.05pm, and according to him everything was still in order by that stage - the window, curtains and window shutter were all still closed by that stage. It must follow, that someone opened the curtain, window and the shutter, at sometime after Gerry left 5a at about 9.05pm (if McCanns genuinely had nothing to do with the disappearance of Maddie)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 23, 2011, 10:00:AM
left to go galavanting off to the tapas bar   ;D    that line tickled my sad sense of humour.
Is the photograph of the window in question,or just an identical one?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 02:07:PM
Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien and David Payne, movements between tapas bar and apartment block, will now come under intense scrutiny...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 02:31:PM
A boating accident which almost cost Russel O'Brien his life on the very evening that Maddie disappeared - could focus in the Met review of the case, since it led to some ill feeling later that evening between him and Gerry McCann over  game of tennis, and another matter, at about 9.0pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 02:59:PM
The ill feeling boiled over between the pair, after  O'Brien turned up at the tapas bar at about 9pm, proclaiming that all was well back at 5a - causing Gerry to storm off to the apartment to check it for hlmself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 03:42:PM
How bizarre that Gerry should be so suspicious and wary of O'Brien at around 9pm, yet half an hour later, he was entrusting the safety and well-being of the McCann children, and telling him that the patio door was left unlocked, and access gained to 5a via it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 23, 2011, 03:53:PM
How bizarre that Gerry should be so suspicious and wary of O'Brien at around 9pm, yet half an hour later, he was entrusting the safety and well-being of the McCann children, and telling him that the patio door was left unlocked, and access gained to 5a via it?

Is O'Brien the bloke who has had allegations of innapropriate comments / conversation made against him in Amaral's book?  I will check this my self later on when I'm not at work.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 23, 2011, 03:59:PM
The Gerry McCann / Russell O'Brien thing is very interesting.

O'Brien had access to Maddie, did he not?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 06:05:PM
the mcanns had the chioce of when to alert the athrotys.

if they had anything to do with it they would have delayed reporting it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 23, 2011, 06:20:PM
The entire case rests on what Jane Tanner said she saw.

If truthful, then maybe it was an abduction, or could she and O'Brien even have been involved somehow themselves?

Their witness statements just do not add up.

I still think this is very close to members of the Tapas 9.

Police never grilled them enough.



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 06:34:PM
I'm pretty sure its connected with a similar disappearance in Portugal

investigated by the same cops.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 23, 2011, 06:45:PM
How bizarre that Gerry should be so suspicious and wary of O'Brien at around 9pm, yet half an hour later, he was entrusting the safety and well-being of the McCann children, and telling him that the patio door was left unlocked, and access gained to 5a via it?

Is O'Brien the bloke who has had allegations of innapropriate comments / conversation made against him in Amaral's book?  I will check this my self later on when I'm not at work.

I believe that person was David Payne
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 23, 2011, 06:50:PM
How bizarre that Gerry should be so suspicious and wary of O'Brien at around 9pm, yet half an hour later, he was entrusting the safety and well-being of the McCann children, and telling him that the patio door was left unlocked, and access gained to 5a via it?

Is O'Brien the bloke who has had allegations of innapropriate comments / conversation made against him in Amaral's book?  I will check this my self later on when I'm not at work.

I believe that person was David Payne

Thankyou.  I put the link to the book on this thread for you, further up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 23, 2011, 07:00:PM
How bizarre that Gerry should be so suspicious and wary of O'Brien at around 9pm, yet half an hour later, he was entrusting the safety and well-being of the McCann children, and telling him that the patio door was left unlocked, and access gained to 5a via it?

Is O'Brien the bloke who has had allegations of innapropriate comments / conversation made against him in Amaral's book?  I will check this my self later on when I'm not at work.

I believe that person was David Payne

Thankyou.  I put the link to the book on this thread for you, further up.


Ooh yes you did thankyou!! im part way through it! its very interesting!

The sniffer dog evidence is especially interesting! i think they are so clever! i have a spaniel he could sniff out a dog treat in an acre of land hes that keen with his nose!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 07:40:PM
the mcanns had the chioce of when to alert the athrotys.

if they had anything to do with it they would have delayed reporting it.
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there would have come a point when they would have to report it, and that was at about 10pm, when Kate declared publicly to all those present at the tapas bar, that Maddie was gone, and that "they" had taken Maddie...

at about 10pm was as good a time as any to break the news whilst the parents were allegedly out dining at the tapas bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 23, 2011, 07:45:PM
Agreed had they left it till morning to report it then it would have looked more suspicious
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 07:53:PM
Roadside door of apartment 5a, from where Maddie disappeared in 2007

I took this picture in 2010, whilst spending a week at the resort investigating this case:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 08:00:PM
Lets take a look around the outside of the apartment block to familiarize ourselves with the site:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 09:22:PM
The aforementioned photographs show views around the outside of the neighboring block of apartments from where Maddie went "Missing" in 2007, and the junction where Jane Tanner allegedly saw the man carrying off a child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 23, 2011, 09:26:PM
Obviously we all have our own opinions on this case.I love to hear other peoples theories and do respect them.However,being a mum myself,I genuinely believe that Kate knows nothing.Am still undecided about Gerry.From almost day one,Russell and Jane played heavily on my mind.Both of them appear to have been active around the area of The McCanns apartment at the crucial time.I believe their own apartment was only next door but one?I have always had this nagging gut feeling that OBrien and Tanner handed Maddie over to someone.I think that Tanners supposed sighting was dreamt up to focus the investigation away from the tapas group.I really do believe that OBrien is at the root of it all.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2011, 09:35:PM
Obviously we all have our own opinions on this case.I love to hear other peoples theories and do respect them.However,being a mum myself,I genuinely believe that Kate knows nothing.Am still undecided about Gerry.From almost day one,Russell and Jane played heavily on my mind.Both of them appear to have been active around the area of The McCanns apartment at the crucial time.I believe their own apartment was only next door but one?I have always had this nagging gut feeling that OBrien and Tanner handed Maddie over to someone.I think that Tanners supposed sighting was dreamt up to focus the investigation away from the tapas group.I really do believe that OBrien is at the root of it all.
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I took photographs of all their apartment doors, next to each other, and all around the block where the McCanns and the friends were staying which will be subject of my next posting of photographs, shortly...

If you take the McCanns out of the equation altogether - it leaves Tanner, O'Brien. Mathew Oldfield and Payne as the most likeliest of suspects...

Not to be overlooked is that in the days leading up to Maddie's disappearance, O'Brien was spending more and more time jogging around the resort with Gerry's wife, Kate - and his partner, Tanner may have  been getting distressed about how close this relationship was developing. Precisely why O'Brien chose to try to get close to Kate, may have been a contributing factor in why Maddie went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on May 23, 2011, 10:08:PM
First of all, welcome back, Mike. Hope you had a great trip to Turkey!  :)

I don't know too much about the McCann case. It has been in the media here, of course, but not nearly as much as in England I think I can safely conclude.
However, the McCann couple was on the NEWS (TV) here yesterday announcing their book. They really get a lot of exposure. Sadly there are so many other missing children and few of them receive nearly the amount of attention as Madeleine McCann.
The parents are very media savvy! I have to say that I was put off by something I read somewhere (don't remember where - just that it was on the internet). It was a kind of diary that Gerry was publishing, I think day by day while he and his wife were travelling Europe to gather attention to the case. His tone to me was almost offensive, as if he was basking in the limelight, enjoying the attention. Just felt it was off.

I hope Maddie will be found soon. Whether it be dead or alive. Personally I think she is dead. Everyone needs to move on - I can't imagine what all this is doing to the little twins.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 23, 2011, 10:20:PM
Mike, your knowledge on this case is fascinating.I do really think that I may have read the McCanns wrong though.I have trouble with the idea that they would keep pushing authorites to help find Maddie if they were responsible for her disappearance.They have welcomed the Met inquiry with relief and gratefulness.We are very much in agreement regarding the other tapas friends though.Alarm bells started ringing for me when I first heard about OBriens child alledgedly being sick and he was said to have bathed her and washed the sheets.Jane told that the child had been off colour for a couple of days.Who on earth would leave a sick child alone in an apartment?What if the child had choked on her own vomit?I believe that Maddie was smuggled out wrapped in the sheet that OBrien then had to wash to remove the forensic evidence,and handed over to someone.I hope the Met dig deep regarding OBrien.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2011, 10:24:PM
i would of thought they take a much lower profile if they had something to hide.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 23, 2011, 11:38:PM
Im inclined to think you may be right! More happened that night than we are led to believe!

Just not sure of the mcanns involvement!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 04:38:AM
Why would members of the tapas group need to be colluding over the times they checked the rooms, before they contacted the police about Maddies disappearance that night?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 24, 2011, 09:09:AM
Matthew got very distressed during the portugese police interviews.Gerry heard him screaming,shouting and crying and found out later it was because the police were accusing him of handing Maddie out of the window to someone,when he did the 9.30pm check.I believe the police were very near the mark there.But am not overly convinced that they accused the right person.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on May 24, 2011, 10:33:AM
Hi to everyone..

I came across this site looking for more info on this case as I believed or more like hoped this case would have came to the ending that we all prayed for, Maddies safe return. I feel now that I am ready to say that the poor girl is now dead and so I need some form of reasoning for myself.

I have seen much made of the demeanour of the McCanns post Maddies disappearance and as I have never been able to satisfy myself with their behavior some of what has been put forward on here is very interesting.
The thing is though that this behavior i.e Gerry's laughing on the porch the day after and such is harder to explain in both regards when we take into account he is either a father clinging onto hope that his daughter has vanished but may still be found, or he was an accomplice or aide in the death,disposal and interment of the remains. To the former I feel this behavior maybe reasoned with but to the later I feel way too much pressure to act this way when at any moment someone could verify that they had saw Gerry with Maddie at an important time that night.

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.I do really think that I may have read the McCanns wrong though.I have trouble with the idea that they would keep pushing authorities to help find Maddie if they were responsible for her disappearance.They have welcomed the Met inquiry with relief and gratefulness

I can't help feeling that the only people culpable at this stage are Gerry & Kate and the fact that the longer they keep this case in the public eye the longer they have immunity from the repercussions of their actions that night. The extensive lobbying of the Government keeps up the political and diplomatic pressure on the PJ and again allows them freedom from prosecution. The longer they are seen to be searching for Maddie the more chance the UK and European people will see it as their own form of redemption for what they did, so I really feel this searching for Maddie will continue until her remains are found, then question have to be asked.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 24, 2011, 12:27:PM
Hi Jason,so you feel that the McCanns were involved in the disappearance of their daughter?Both of them or just Gerry? What do you feel happened,they overdosed Maddie with sedative theory?Even Kate has admitted that she believes Maddie was drugged.But by whom I wonder?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on May 24, 2011, 02:40:PM
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Hi Jason,so you feel that the McCanns were involved in the disappearance of their daughter?Both of them or just Gerry? What do you feel happened,they overdosed Maddie with sedative theory?Even Kate has admitted that she believes Maddie was drugged.But by whom I wonder?

Thx Tyler..

The possibilities are numerous but until more is effectively known about Gerry and Kate then its hard to pinpoint whether one or both can be considered to have been part of it.
I believe the medical notes relating to the pair were never forwarded to the PJ and the insight they might have created is great, did Kate suffer post natal depression?, did she cope with 3 young kids?(we know she felt Maddie was a handful) could Gerry have acted alone in the sedation plot due to his wife's inability to cope? The two younger twins did not wake up during the commotion that evening were they sedated?
It seems way too much diplomatic pressure was brought to bare on the PJ that so many questions were just not asked and too many lines of enquiry faltered because of it.

There is however no way that Gerry himself could of commit ed any act and got to this point without the help of almost all those in that party at some point, were they doing it through design or through their loyalty to a friend, did they feel that something sinister had happened or were they innocent by dumb association!!

I have to continue reading whats available to answer these question myself but its nice to know others feel the same.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: smiffy on May 24, 2011, 03:01:PM
 I have looked at Tanners statements about seeing a man carrying a child...and using statement analysis I have no doubts at all that her claims to see a man possibly abducting Maddie are fabricated.
I do not think it is a mental health issue of hers leading her to fabricate this bit of false evidence so conclude she is party to covering up a criminal act.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on May 24, 2011, 04:54:PM
Hi Smiffy..

I agree Tanners descriptions were so varied in his height,clothing,and hair style/colour that they were no use at all to the PJ, If we do take the fact the the Smith families statements do outline the fact that a man existed if you believe their feeling later on in that it was Gerry they had seen then what Tanner may well have been describing was Gerry himself.

I must admit personally that the Smiths statements are probably one of the main reasons why I now feel Maddie is dead as I take them to be diligent and credible witnesses who having never been properly followed up, it angers me a fair degree.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 05:12:PM
its funny the mcanns weren't considered suspects until they started slagging off the police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 24, 2011, 05:29:PM
its funny the mcanns weren't considered suspects until they started slagging off the police.

I don't think this is so, the McCanns were in the frame from the moment the PJ arrived.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2011, 05:32:PM
that could be well be true.

but they became named suspects after they started running down the police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 06:28:PM
Photographs of strap device for steel window shutters of apartment 5a:-

Here is a photographic record of exactly how the steel shutter at the bedroom window where Maddie normally slept can be operated from a closed position (with shutter in down position) to an open position (with shutter up) and back down again (with shutter back in down position):-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 06:45:PM
Security device is activated / deactivated on mechanism trapping and releasing strap to open and close steel shutter on outside of closed window (accordingly)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 06:54:PM
A similar device is located at the top right hand side of the window, so that when the strap is flush with the vertical wall, the steel shutter on the outside of the bedroom window cannot be raised because the strap is immobilized (top and bottom), and can only be raised in the event that someone on the inside of the bedroom operates the strap as shown by pulling it away from the face of the bedroom wall and pulling in a downward fashion, which in turn will start to raise the steel shutter on the outside of the bedroom window...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 06:58:PM
The way this security device on this window operates, prevents the account given by Kate and Gerry McCann, that they gave to the police, about immediately discovering Maddie had been taken, and was missing (once everyone returned to apartment 5a from the tapas bar) Gerry rushing outside to open the steel shutter from the outside, and succeeding, being true - but rather that it was inaccurate and misleading, and helps to focus everyones attention on a made up account about what allegedly occurred back at 5a, once the disappearance of Maddie was discovered...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 07:02:PM
Security device on windows to prevent anyone opening them from outside the bedroom window without leaving any jemmy marks where the window would have had to be forced open:-

Anyone wishing to force open the window of the bedroom of apartment 5a, would have needed to use some sort of tool to jemmy open the window from its surrounding frame - no such marks were found or existed at all on the outside of the window or its surround - which tells its own story (window was not forced open by anyone outside the bedroom window)...

Security device on windows has two settings (1) up, and (2) down...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 07:24:PM
Security devices on both the steel shutter, and the window, make it virtually impossible for anyone to have forced open either without leaving some sort of physical trace that the windows or the steel shutter were jemmied open:-

The only way the bedroom window of apartment 5a was opened was by someone inside the bedroom, not outside - similarly, nobody could have forced the steel shutter up from outside the bedroom window without operating the security strap on the right had side of the window, inside the bedroom...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2011, 08:23:PM
Suggestion that Maddie was abducted through the bedroom window and steel shutter by a complete stranger, seems out of the question, in my opinion - window issue is nothing but a red herring...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 24, 2011, 10:39:PM
Suggestion that Maddie was abducted through the bedroom window and steel shutter by a complete stranger, seems out of the question, in my opinion - window issue is nothing but a red herring...

John isn't on hand with his technical expertise to argue the case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 24, 2011, 10:56:PM
My understanding of the shutter saga is that two people acted together, one of whom was inside the apartment and opened the shutter from there - passing Maddie ( dead or alive? ) to an accomplice outside.

Either that or Gerry is making the whole thing up.

I seem to recall that the PJ dogs did pick up the scent of Maddie in the early searches but that the trail ended at the nearby supermarket.

There may have been two reasons for this.

Firstly that she was put into a car, and secondly - and backed up by a witness report, that she may have been dumped in a refuse container that was due to be dumped in the ocean around 3am.

The PJ never found any rogue dna or fingerprints and so they were always focused on the members of the Tapas 9.

Kate's 'they've taken her' outburst put her straight in the frame.

If there was an abductor or abductors, I just cannot fathom why they would go the shutter route from the outside - especially as this would likely cause enough noise to put them at risk.

If there was an abduction I do not believe in the international gang theory, I would go for a local, very local at that.




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 11:03:AM
The following seals it for me - according to the McCanns, nobody knew they left the patio door on the poolside of the apartment open, until about 9.30pm, when Kate told Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien that they would not need the key to apartment 5a, because they had left the patio door open.,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 11:15:AM
There was no evidence of a forced entry - anyone responsible for removing Maddie from 5a, did so by entering via the open patio door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 11:32:AM
Since, there was only a 30 minute period, between when it became common knowledge that the patio door to 5a had been left open - the person, or persons who took Maddie from her bed, were privy to such information. The chances of a stranger discovering that the patio door was left open, within the half hour period that some members of the tapas group found out from Kate, is too large a leap of faith to believe such a coincidence occurred...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 11:50:AM
Although, only Oldfield and O'BRIEN initially knew the patio door had been left open, it would seem possible, that they told other members about it, once they got back to the tapas bar. There were only four members of the group who had the knowlege that the patio door had been left open, and who left the tapas bar, to go back to the apartments, these were - (1) Mathew Oldfield, (2) Russel O'Brien, (3) David Payne, and  (4) Jane Tanner...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 12:06:PM
Of these four, Oldfield left the tapas bar at 9.30m with O'Brien, and returned by himself at about 9.35pm, leaving O'Brien back at his apartment tending his sick child, and he did not return to bar until just before Kate left to check 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 02:38:PM
Jane Tanner was not at the tapas bar when Kate left to go and discover 'they' had taken Maddie...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 09:19:PM
Photograph links:-

(1) http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/P.D.L.htm
(2) http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 09:26:PM
View looking back in direction of church / derelict building and Pub, from region of second horizontal drain, on coastline track

It is believed that those responsible for "Maddies disappearance", used this track under the cover of darkness, to move the child's remains into the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL - this track gave access to a set of concrete steps at the side of the pub, and a small veranda, with a low wall that afforded access into the grounds at the back of the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 09:34:PM
View from grounds at the back of the derelict building, of the church clock tower - Evidence relating to "Maddies disappearance" is believed to be buried in the grounds of this derelict building

Police have never properly searched the grounds of this derelict building, as part of the search to find and locate Maddie...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 09:38:PM
Patio terrace at side of pub, with low wall that gives access to back garden of derelict building

Patio terrace at side of The Bull pub, PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 09:46:PM
Car hire shop, shown next door to derelict building

The hire car would not have looked out of place, parked up in the street outside the hire shop (Europcar) and adjacent to the derelict building opposite the church which was a favorite haunt of the McCann parents, when used to help remove remains / clothing and equipment to and from grounds of derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 09:49:PM
Just around the corner from the car hire shop, was THE BULL PUB, and access to the set of concrete steps and the patio terrace with low wall leading into rear garden of derelict building...

Kelly's bar, is not too far away - the place where the Smith family contingent were drinking that evening, when Maddie went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 09:54:PM
Location of the second horizontal drain, situated close to where small fishing boats are moored up each night

If you were stood facing and looking at this second horizontal drain, amongst the reeds, "Kelly's Bar" would be off to the right in that sort of general direction...

Some stones that can be seen stacked up making a make shift wall near to the second horizontal drain, were carried into the grounds of the derelict building and placed upon, around or close to an area of disturbed ground, in a hollow in the rear garden of the derelict building. Some of these stones could have been carried in the boot of the hire car, or by hand, or in a holdall belonging to the person(s) responsible for Maddies disappearance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2011, 10:08:PM
Whoever dug the ground here, and buried something, chose to mark the area by placing stones which had been displaced from further along the coastline in the area of the second horizontal drain...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 25, 2011, 10:09:PM
Mike a bit off topic but whats the local opinion in PDL? Do they think the group where involved!??

Also has tourism suffered because of all the media surrounding the case?

It looks a lovely place but i dont think i would visit their now!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on May 26, 2011, 12:25:AM
I don't think that anyone could deny the palpable agony of Kate McCann. She is so fragile. Gerry seems to be different, stronger, more pragmatic. The one thing I've always struggled with, from very early on, is why Maddie's "cuddle cat" was washed. Kate carried it everywhere for a while, understandably, and apparently it became "grubby," but, from a mum's point of view, if that was the last link to my daughter, I would have sealed it in a bag, to keep Maddie's scent on it. For myself. I suppose that we all react in different ways.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 05:07:AM
Were the checks made by Gerry (9.0pm) and Kate (10pm) reactionary, due to percieved behavior of other group members? Was this what caused Kate to rush back to the tapas bar screaming - 'they've taken her'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 26, 2011, 09:49:AM
Mike,are you maybe having second thoughts about the McCanns involvement? I am hoping and imagine that the MET will dig deeper into the following -: Jane Tanners insistance that she passed Gerry and Jez on that narrow path and yet the two men are adamant that she did not.If she did not,then that makes her alleged sighting of the man carrying the child a lie.How could Tanner walk right past the supposedly open window of apartment 5a,and not notice it?A witness saw Tanner loitering opposite apartment 5a at around 9pm,looking over toward the apartment.Also am wondering about Murat.Three of the tapas friends witnessed Murat outside apartment 4a after Maddie was discovered missing.Murat is adamant that he wasnt there,was at home with his mother.Who is lying? The 3 tapas friends OR Murat? Am starting to wonder about a link between Tanner and Murat.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 01:00:PM
I am inclined to suspect/believe, that any purported sightings of Robert Murat in and around the apartment block from where Maddie disappeared, were in fact sightings of David Payne, who I believe is Robert Murats, doppleganger, and vice versa...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 03:22:PM
I also believe that those responsible for taking Maddie from apartment 5a, had some sort of communication device, which could have been used to monitor the parents whilst they were at the tapas bar - such a device could have included the use of baby monitoring equipment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 26, 2011, 06:10:PM
Im open minded about all this but WHY would the Mcanns friends want to do something like that??

Its such an elaborate plot someone woudl have cracked by now!

I think the answer is somewhat simpler than some of the theories on here!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 06:28:PM
Mathew Oldfield gave different versions to Portuguese police about how he went about checking apartment 5a, when he went there at about 9:30pm - in his first account he claimed that he never went inside the apartment at all, merely that he stood outside the patio door and listened for noises from within...

In his next version he admitted going inside apartment 5a, and standing at the bedroom door behind where Maddie had last been sleeping in her bed as witnessed by both her parents at about 8:30pm, and later by Gerry McCann, at about 9:05pm...

Portuguese police are understood to have questioned him about the possibility that he handed out Maddie through the bedroom window, and shutter, on that occasion, something which he denied doing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: smiffy on May 26, 2011, 07:16:PM
Looked at David Paynes statement..and  a few things stand out using statement analysis.
A main part of it that looks totally wrong is his claimed visit to the McCann appartment at 6.30pm..
There are so many problems with this that my view is that he did not visit at this time at all.
The main effect being that as he never went at 6.30pm or there abouts he could not have seen Kate or the children ...so effectively...other than the McCann's no one else see's Maddie after 5.30pm.

The other main area of lying ..is to do with the holiday organising and how the couples know each other and the relationships between them. This is a very sensitive area for him...and a number of the others in the group that I have so far had the chance to do statement analysis work on.  Tanner  and O'Brien both seem to have similar sensitivities in regards to the same issue.

The final issue is night time arrangements...David Payne ..brushes over who visited who's flat and steers clear of late night and early morning arrangements . He is being very evasive on these matters  in regards to the days before the Maddie event. It is a sensitive issue and may be related to similar sensitiviries in regards to the relationships within the group.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 07:55:PM
View of "Tapas bar" restaurant from the balcony of apartment 6 in next block to where Maddie disappeared from in May 2007:-

Tapas bar is shown to left in background...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: smiffy on May 26, 2011, 07:56:PM
Ah the video clip from the panorama documentary....when Kate demonstrates the door slamming shut due to wind...as per her account of checking on the children about 10.00pm.

Well I watched that and listened carefully to her words to do statement analysis...and
in my view she is lying her head off. The signs of deception here are very strong and heavy. In my view .. She is faking in the claim and fabricating  and  though physically she went to the appartment about 10.00pm it was not  then that she found Maddie was not there. It is my view that she knew well before that Maddie was not there as something had happened to her much earlier and that her actions about 10.00pm were a charade.
Her words betray her!!!!

Basically  ..as she gives her account on video...she cant deny it or claim they were someone else's words or the transcript is wrong. Caught...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 08:02:PM
Ah the video clip from the panorama documentary....when Kate demonstrates the door slamming shut due to wind...as per her account of checking on the children about 10.00pm.

Well I watched that and listened carefully to her words to do statement analysis...and
in my view she is lying her head off. The signs of deception here are very strong and heavy. In my view .. She is faking in the claim and fabricating  and  though physically she went to the appartment about 10.00pm it was not  then that she found Maddie was not there. It is my view that she knew well before that Maddie was not there as something had happened to her much earlier and that her actions about 10.00pm were a charade.
Her words betray her!!!!

Basically  ..as she gives her account on video...she cant deny it or claim they were someone else's words or the transcript is wrong. Caught...
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Curtains at bedroom window would have been sucked out, and the bedroom door slammed shut, as soon as Kate entered the apartment at about 10pm, but according to her, the bedroom door was ajar, which she reset and at that stage the bedroom door slammed shut, and upon opening the bedroom door again, she saw the curtains had blown open, exposing the open window and the raised steel shutter...

Only way this could have happened was if someone else entered the apartment, or left via one of the closed doors - creating a vacuum, yet according to Kate, there was no-one else there at 5a, when she went back there to discover Maddie gone, and no-one arrived there before she went to the tapas bar to raise the general alarm...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 08:06:PM
Yours truly, outside St Vincents church in PDL, June 2010

Closing in on the truth...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 08:10:PM
View of apartment 5a from outside door of apartment 6 in next block:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2011, 08:16:PM
Apartment 6, where I stayed during my week long visit to Portugal in June 2010
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on May 26, 2011, 10:10:PM
Looked at David Paynes statement..and  a few things stand out using statement analysis.
A main part of it that looks totally wrong is his claimed visit to the McCann appartment at 6.30pm..
There are so many problems with this that my view is that he did not visit at this time at all.
The main effect being that as he never went at 6.30pm or there abouts he could not have seen Kate or the children ...so effectively...other than the McCann's no one else see's Maddie after 5.30pm.

The other main area of lying ..is to do with the holiday organising and how the couples know each other and the relationships between them. This is a very sensitive area for him...and a number of the others in the group that I have so far had the chance to do statement analysis work on.  Tanner  and O'Brien both seem to have similar sensitivities in regards to the same issue.

The final issue is night time arrangements...David Payne ..brushes over who visited who's flat and steers clear of late night and early morning arrangements . He is being very evasive on these matters  in regards to the days before the Maddie event. It is a sensitive issue and may be related to similar sensitiviries in regards to the relationships within the group.

Hi smiffy your take on things is very interesting as I felt also that the 7pm returning to the tennis court for David Payne was and may have been the only initial time that he had went there. I believe there was some argument between G McCann and Mr Payne regarding is inability to play tennis between 6-7 pm after the court had been booked.
The 6:30 meeting should have been a more "whats happening are you gonna play" type of thing had he went there at 6:30. This turned into a more casual(lets say pre determined) meeting about where Kate was?? why!!

The booking of the court from 6-7pm is in itself suspicious in regards to the routine the McCanns were in at that point, they normally bathed the children around this time and thats exactly what Kate was doing when D Payne turned up after 6:30. Is there anyway to find out at what time the court had been booked that day for 6-7pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 26, 2011, 11:11:PM
This case is becoming required reading on the forum.  Would be canny to get Amaral interested in the Bamber case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: smiffy on May 27, 2011, 08:41:AM
Looked at David Paynes statement..and  a few things stand out using statement analysis.
A main part of it that looks totally wrong is his claimed visit to the McCann appartment at 6.30pm..
There are so many problems with this that my view is that he did not visit at this time at all.
The main effect being that as he never went at 6.30pm or there abouts he could not have seen Kate or the children ...so effectively...other than the McCann's no one else see's Maddie after 5.30pm.

The other main area of lying ..is to do with the holiday organising and how the couples know each other and the relationships between them. This is a very sensitive area for him...and a number of the others in the group that I have so far had the chance to do statement analysis work on.  Tanner  and O'Brien both seem to have similar sensitivities in regards to the same issue.

The final issue is night time arrangements...David Payne ..brushes over who visited who's flat and steers clear of late night and early morning arrangements . He is being very evasive on these matters  in regards to the days before the Maddie event. It is a sensitive issue and may be related to similar sensitiviries in regards to the relationships within the group.

Hi smiffy your take on things is very interesting as I felt also that the 7pm returning to the tennis court for David Payne was and may have been the only initial time that he had went there. I believe there was some argument between G McCann and Mr Payne regarding is inability to play tennis between 6-7 pm after the court had been booked.
The 6:30 meeting should have been a more "whats happening are you gonna play" type of thing had he went there at 6:30. This turned into a more casual(lets say pre determined) meeting about where Kate was?? why!!

The booking of the court from 6-7pm is in itself suspicious in regards to the routine the McCanns were in at that point, they normally bathed the children around this time and thats exactly what Kate was doing when D Payne turned up after 6:30. Is there anyway to find out at what time the court had been booked that day for 6-7pm?

basically..without revealing too much statement analysis wise;;or getting too long winded.

David Payne ...claims he went with 2 of the other males to the tennis court and met Gerry there...that is clear enough....DP then fails to commit to his exchange with Gerry...raising doubt he spoke with Gerry about Kate and the kids at all and about his reason for DP to check/call in on Kate.(my view no check up was spoken of).
The 3 men head off to their appartments together it seems...and later all 3 head back to the tennis courts after changing into suitable clothing.
DP fails to commit on whether he went to the McCans appartment before changing clothes or after....and also fails to commit to whether he entered by the door or the patio doors... he is supposed to be on his own here and uses the singular I for his claimed visit. The claimed content of his visit is dodgy...
However in his statement story...David speaks of leaving the McCann appartment and uses the word "we" when he should have used the word I. He was supposed to be on his own.  The liar slipped up in his fabricated story.
When DP gets back to the tennis court ..again he fails to commit to this part of the story in regards to his exchange with Gerry...which again strongly suggests ..DP never went and checked as per his claims and that his whole claimed visit to the McCann appartment is a fabrication  and that it may have been created to allow the claim that Maddie was alive and all ok at 6.30pm when it may not have been the case.

If I am correct then WHY LIE..and retrospectively create a claimed sighting of Maddie , Kate etc for 6.30pm by DP...it raises suspicion that something may have gone wrong in regards to Maddie about 6.30pm or before.

It is this time before 6.30pm that day that is my current interest and that I feel may hold the key to the mystery.

This is a great case for using statement analysis ..as so much is filmed or transcripted and available to go over and in some cases there is plenty of material to establish peoples baselines for speech useage.
The liars are open to be exposed and more of the truth revealed. I have seen enough in the statements to rule out any abductor and any wandering off by Maddie.

Gerry is keen to say...there is no evidence of Maddies death.
to which I remind him ...there is evidence that suggests Maddies death.

I would like to also remind him....there is no evidence of Maddie being adbucted.
and there is no evidence of Maddie having wandered off.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: smiffy on May 27, 2011, 01:03:PM
looked at Mathew Oldfiels statement to Leicestershire Police.
applied statement analysis to it and not happy with a number of things.
The main fabrication that comes across is his claim to enter the McCanns appartment to check on the 3 children at approx 9.30pm. This part of the statement appears to be an entire fabrication and that in my view he never entered the appartment at all. He seems to have checked on his own appartment only.

It raises the issue that as to why he has made this up?  to cover that ...no proper checking was really taking place of the McCanns appartment and making people look responsible when they were not.
Within this fabrication he claims to see the two younger children in their cots...but not Maddie as her bed could not be viewed...so he partly commits .. but anyone could have done that knowing later on that the two younger children were not missing. In regards to Maddie...again ..he should have seen her if he was there..but he was not in my view. If you enter an appartment for the purpose of seeing 3 children are ok then you need to see them and not presume them to be present or the check has no value. Only a few seconds and a few steps forward would have provided a satisfactory check...and he claimed to be there for about 2 minutes.
Why make it all up...why not be truthful...something to hide?

other issues...
Oldfields account of the tennis and thus David Paynes claimed visit to Kate about 6.30pm...well Oldfields version of this undermines Davids' claim and supports my view that DP never visited Kate and the 3 kids as he claimed.

The nature of the relationships between the various couples in regards to their holiday arrangements etc is also an area of sensitivity and deception as seen with other members of the group.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 27, 2011, 01:13:PM
Smiffy, this statement analysis approach... purley out of interest... can you give any insight as to how you apply its principles etc?  Is it a known method that you have studied?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 27, 2011, 03:07:PM
Smiffy, this statement analysis approach... purley out of interest... can you give any insight as to how you apply its principles etc?  Is it a known method that you have studied?

I was going to ask the same!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on May 27, 2011, 04:32:PM
I must admit it also came to my mind how exactly statement analysis and its fundamentals from someone on line can be worked with and reasoned with. I suppose its unlike any other science in that its findings more or less show just what happens when common sense and relative thinking are applied in proportion to what people say. It is a science where so many things can be flawed similar to micro expressionism but then when you add that sense of reasoning it is easy to say YES that is right because that is what I take from what so and so say!

Its not hard to see that J Tanner has by all accounts acted as someone who has installed a belief in us of the abduction theory but more or less made her information useless to the outcome. She has by definition been a pawn in a game where the result is far away beyond our own reasoning. What she has done is lay the ground work for that abduction theory without actually incriminating anyone and things have snow balled from there.

It is my own feeling and my own hope that when/if the body of Maddie is discovered then the arrests of Gerry & Kate will take place and they will have to be accountable for the actions.

If we have someone able and willing to look at things from this perspective of analysing statements and if that analysis sits easy with us and we can relate to it then I for one thank smiffy for his/her's efforts.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: smiffy on May 27, 2011, 06:11:PM
Smiffy, this statement analysis approach... purley out of interest... can you give any insight as to how you apply its principles etc?  Is it a known method that you have studied?

its very effective... it is sometimes called forensic linguistics...a very useful investigative tool.

you can research it if you want .....
doing full breakdowns on parts of statements as to why conclusions are reached can take a while and be long winded...sometimes small bits are broken down as an example.

liars are fairly easy to detect in some cases...however giving away all the methods used is not a good idea as those reading up can change things such as forum posts or future evidence to a degree to get around it. That as well as time is why I dont practise giving big breakdowns in forum posts  and limit what I do put.

the statement analysis I am doing in this case...is purely that...my assessments based purely on the statements independent of other information in the case or other peoples views etc or other information available....

once experience is gained using statement analysis ...some deceptions are very easy to spot. In other cases the liar is far more evasive and less obvious...but most the time indicators are found that can suggest areas to be investigated further or hidden information.


oh Jane Tanner..her fabrication in one statement alone is obvious without needing to see changes between her changes of account.

as a side note on Tanner she refers to passing by Gerry and Jeremy...hmm who both did not see her... but she missed something out...that Jeremy was pushing his child around in a pram/push chair...how did she miss that ...doh
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2011, 07:49:PM
Cul de sac, next to apartment block across the road from where Maddie went missing

View of apartment 6, where I stayed in June 2010:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2011, 07:53:PM
Apartment 5a, is just out of sight to the left in the last image, but this is the road that runs adjacent to it - the cul de sac, affords access to a footpath that leads down towards the sea (if you go right) or back up to the roadside of that apartment (if you turn left on the far side of the cul de sac)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2011, 07:55:PM
Road that leads to the "baptiste supermarket" from the vicinty of apartment 5a:-

As everyone can see the journey to the "baptiste supermarket" would not have taken very long to negotiate, basically put, just a couple of hundred yards or so down the road...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2011, 08:02:PM
Direction that a man was allegedly seen by Jane Tanner, carrying off a child in his arms, across the junction from right to left

Such a man would have had to walk along this road once he and the child he was carrying crossed the junction - the apartment where I stayed in June 2010, is situated out of shot to the right in this photograph:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2011, 08:06:PM
View on other side of road at junction - the direction from which the man carrying the child, emerged:-

According to Jane tanner, the man carrying the child, came down the footpath shown, and crossed the road junction carrying the child in his arms...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2011, 08:14:PM
Views from roadside at rear of tapas bar and restaurant:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2011, 08:37:PM
Alleyway that ran between the poolside of apartment block from where Maddie went missing, and the "tapas bar" where her parents and friends wined and dined:-

Path that runs between poolside of 5a and tapas bar restaurant and pool...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 27, 2011, 11:26:PM
Jane Tanner first saw an egg man. who turned into a Robert Murat lookalike, and eventually came up with some kind of monster from out of space - amazing how the artist's impression showed a detailed face from front on when all she ever saw was a side view in semi darkness.

I watched 'The Truth of the Lie' today on You Tube, just about everything in the docu points towards a fabricated abduction and death in 5a.

It also points towards a diplomatic cover-up and smokescreen.

Maddie was left alone two nights before for at least 2 hours, and I believe for a similar period on another evening. Maybe the checks by Gerry and Kate were actually part of the operation to dispose of Maddie's body, and perhaps the person Jane saw was an accomplice of the McCann's - just a thought.

( Great pics Mike! ).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on May 27, 2011, 11:29:PM
I was wondering Mike if you could tell us how long in your  own estimate would it take Gerry to go from room 5A to the beach and more specifically the drain you feel Maddie was hidden and back to the apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: boheme on May 28, 2011, 12:09:AM
The case of Jeremy Bamber and Jerry McCain bear a striking resemblence - both said "its up to you to prove I'm guilty"....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2011, 05:18:AM
I was wondering Mike if you could tell us how long in your  own estimate would it take Gerry to go from room 5A to the beach and more specifically the drain you feel Maddie was hidden and back to the apartment?
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the time it would take to walk from 5a to that part of the beach where the second horizontal drain is located would be about 8 to 10 minutes, depending upon which route you would / might take - I walked several routes to the drain, incorporating the spot where the Smith family contingent spotted a man who they believed was Gerry McCann carrying the child (Maddie) in his arms. I photographed the route I think is / was the most likeliest taken from 5a, based upon information contained in the Maddie files, and my own personal thoughts, and ideas on the matter. A person walking that route carrying a child, might / would be able to make the return journey from the beach to the apartment block much quicker, since by that stage, with the child disposed of in the seciond horizontal drain on that isolated spot along the coast...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2011, 06:04:AM
Baptiste Supermarket - just down the road from apartment 5a:-

Views around the supermarket grounds, and security cameras (as of June 2010), it would take literally two to three minutes to walk from vicinity of 5a to this supermarket. It is not known if these security cameras were in use at the material time that Maddie went missing from 5a, in May 2007:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2011, 06:20:AM
View from footpath on road at back of apartment block, looking in direction of 5a:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2011, 06:50:AM
It was along this footpath that Jane Tanner would have had to return to her apartment on the occasion that she claims that she saw the man carrying off a child in his arms, with the steel shutter at the window of 5a, visible to her on that occasion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2011, 06:59:AM
view from pool and tapas bar area:-

Apartment 5a, is shown in this image, far right at end of apartment block...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 28, 2011, 10:07:PM
Smiffy, this statement analysis approach... purley out of interest... can you give any insight as to how you apply its principles etc?  Is it a known method that you have studied?

its very effective... it is sometimes called forensic linguistics...a very useful investigative tool.

you can research it if you want .....
doing full breakdowns on parts of statements as to why conclusions are reached can take a while and be long winded...sometimes small bits are broken down as an example.

liars are fairly easy to detect in some cases...however giving away all the methods used is not a good idea as those reading up can change things such as forum posts or future evidence to a degree to get around it. That as well as time is why I dont practise giving big breakdowns in forum posts  and limit what I do put.

the statement analysis I am doing in this case...is purely that...my assessments based purely on the statements independent of other information in the case or other peoples views etc or other information available....

once experience is gained using statement analysis ...some deceptions are very easy to spot. In other cases the liar is far more evasive and less obvious...but most the time indicators are found that can suggest areas to be investigated further or hidden information.


oh Jane Tanner..her fabrication in one statement alone is obvious without needing to see changes between her changes of account.

as a side note on Tanner she refers to passing by Gerry and Jeremy...hmm who both did not see her... but she missed something out...that Jeremy was pushing his child around in a pram/push chair...how did she miss that ...doh

I'm non the wiser... but will check it out like you suggest Smiffy.  Cheers.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 29, 2011, 08:27:AM
Just read Kates book and have to say ive always been a bit cynical about this case, im now sure they didnt have anything to do with it at all.

Not sure about their friends etc... But i dont think tje Mcanns were involved!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 10:02:AM
Just read Kates book and have to say ive always been a bit cynical about this case, im now sure they didnt have anything to do with it at all.

Not sure about their friends etc... But i dont think tje Mcanns were involved!
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Why lie about the window shutter capable of being opened from the outside of the building?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 10:10:AM
Lets take a look around block five, and 5a, from where Maddie disappeared from:-

Starting point for tour of area begins in the car park of block six (next apartment down the road from where Maddie went missing). Junction shown in first image is the road junction across which Jane Tanner allegedly saw the man carrying off a child who could have been Maddie...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 10:55:AM
The aforementioned pictures show views between the car park of block six and the junction at the top of the road, adjacent to block four (block five being from where Maddie went missing), some of the images show views into the car[parks of Blocks five and four, from the footpath which ruins along the road to the junction at the top of the hill. It should be noted that there is a foot[path or an alley that runs between blocks five and four, from the car parks of the apartments to the adjoining alleyway and footpath that runs parallel to the poolside and "tapas bar" restaurant:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 10:58:AM
More images:-

The next set of images show views whilst returning back down hill in the general direction of Block five and the footpath that runs between blocks five and four...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 11:36:AM
More images:-

next set of pictures show views from footpath between blocks five and four, and the alleyway that runs between the "tapas bar" restaurant, where parents and friends were wining and dining, and poolside and block five, apartment 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 11:52:AM
More images:-

Showing views looking back along alleyway / footpath between pool and "tapas bar" restaurant and block five and four in general direction to far end of block four and poolside...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 12:39:PM
Now, lets go back up the footpath between blocks five and four and take a look at the other ground floor apartments and in particular to shutters at the window of 5a, and its door on the roadside of the building:-

We will now go back up the footpath between blocks five and four, and look left and then right into the carparks of each block and then we will walk twards 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 29, 2011, 02:35:PM
Mike cant you put all photos on a seperate thread? It really slows the flow of the threads when there are dozens of photos on it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 02:42:PM
Mike cant you put all photos on a seperate thread? It really slows the flow of the threads when there are dozens of photos on it.
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Same problem will occur if I put all photographs on same thread, sorry for the inconvenience at this stage, but I will seek advice from my technician at some stage in the future to try and resolve this problem. In the mean time, I was merely trying to give every reader an insight into the the layout and locality of apartment 5a, in relation to block six (where I stayed for a week in 2010) and the "tapas bar" restaurant area...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on May 29, 2011, 02:48:PM
Mike cant you put all photos on a seperate thread? It really slows the flow of the threads when there are dozens of photos on it.
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Same problem will occur if I put all photographs on same thread, sorry for the inconvenience at this stage, but I will seek advice from my technician at some stage in the future to try and resolve this problem. In the mean time, I was merely trying to give every reader an insight into the the layout and locality of apartment 5a, in relation to block six (where I stayed for a week in 2010) and the "tapas bar" restaurant area...

Oh yeh i appreciate that and when im on my laptop its not such an issue but when catching up with the forum on my phone it sometimes takes ages for the photos to appear and cant read new posts until they have.

Not sure if others have the same problem.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2011, 02:52:PM
Mike cant you put all photos on a seperate thread? It really slows the flow of the threads when there are dozens of photos on it.
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Same problem will occur if I put all photographs on same thread, sorry for the inconvenience at this stage, but I will seek advice from my technician at some stage in the future to try and resolve this problem. In the mean time, I was merely trying to give every reader an insight into the the layout and locality of apartment 5a, in relation to block six (where I stayed for a week in 2010) and the "tapas bar" restaurant area...

Oh yeh i appreciate that and when im on my laptop its not such an issue but when catching up with the forum on my phone it sometimes takes ages for the photos to appear and cant read new posts until they have.

Not sure if others have the same problem.
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I appreciate the technical problem that you are talking about, because I have the very same problem during the day when I am travelling around in the UK, and I have to rely upon my mobile phone - this is one of the reasons why I can only post short messages during the day (because I am travelling around and relying upon my mobile phone internet connection). I think this is a problem that afflicts all of us...

In the mean time...

I am merely trying to give each and every reader a general insight into the layout of the crime scene, something which no-one else has attempted to do, as far as I know...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 11:42:AM
Impossible for anyone outside this bedroom window to raise the metal shutter at the window

The only way this metal shutter at the bedroom window of 5a, could be raised was by someone inside the bedroom operating the strap on the right hand side of the window / wall (left hand side when viewed from outside bedroom window)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 11:44:AM
No tool marks were present on the shutter, and the only fingerprints found on the window catch and the shutter were those belonging to the parents...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 11:53:AM
Routes of importance

I have already tried to produce views around the apartment blocks in the immediate vicinity of apartment 5a, from where Maddie went missing, but I intend to post other photographs of routes leading from there to other areas at the resort, for viewers consideration:-

(1) route to Millennium club / restaurant, from apartment 5a
(2) route to St Vincents church ( Lady of light), from 5a
(3) route to area where Smith contingent saw man carrying child who could have been Maddie
(4) route from 5a, to LUZDOC premises
(5) route from 5a, to beach where small boats are moored up at night in vicinity of 2nd horizontal drain
(6) route from 2nd horizontal drain, along coast to footpath alongside The Bull pub and Derelict building
(7) location of vertical drains in vicinity of church
(8) Location of horizontal drains at area near church and further along coast near small boats
(9) Coastal footpath along sea front from first horizontal drain to shops and restaurant bar
(10) location of portable bins close to apartment 5a, and along aforementioned routes
(11) location of underground bin containers, close to 5a, and along aforementioned routes

other routes to be added:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 30, 2011, 11:55:AM
Mike... all this window shutter business.  Surely if you and others can work it out.. it's not going to take Scotland Yard long to do the same.  Now surely if the McCann's know what happened re Maddie, they must have sussed that more coppers crawling all over the shutter discrepancies isn't going to help their case? 

I'm Just trying to figure out what the hell their game is (if indeed as many suspect, they know far more than they're letting on).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:02:PM
Mike... all this window shutter business.  Surely if you and others can work it out.. it's not going to take Scotland Yard long to do the same.  Now surely if the McCann's know what happened re Maddie, they must have sussed that more coppers crawling all over the shutter discrepancies isn't going to help their case? 

I'm Just trying to figure out what the hell their game is (if indeed as many suspect, they know far more than they're letting on).
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Yes, I understand this business about the shutters at the window, but I can assure you that I looked very closely at this shutter, and the security device which is in place, and there is no way that anyone could open that bedroom window shutter from the outside, without any help from someone inside the bedroom. Gerry McCann cannot be correct when he says that immediately upon arriving back at the apartment after Kate raised the alarm that Maddie was missing, he went outside after he closed the shutter and was able to raise it all by himself from outside the bedroom window. This could not and did not happen, and so you have to ask the question - why did they make up this lie?

 I can only re-affirm that it would be impossible for anyone outside the bedroom window to open the metal shutter, without any help from  someone inside the bedroom. What this means is that if Maddie was taken through that bedroom window, it had to involve two people, not one...

What this means as far as I am concerned, is that if we are looking at an abduction, it involved two or more persons, not one solitary loner...

Nobody saw two strangers anywhere in the vicinity of 5a that night, there is only the report of a solitary figure seen by Jane Tanner who she claims carried off a child across the road junction between blocks five and six - I regard this sighting as dubious to say the least, I think it was a red herring, a smoke screen, to deflect attention away from what was really taking place......
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:13:PM
Routes taken between "tapas bar", and apartment block five, by members of the "tapas group":-

There were two possible routes that members of the group could take between block five and the "tapas bar" restaurant:-

(1) out of reception, up the road to the junction, turn left and enter the car park at the rear of block five and go down some steps into the general area of the apartments

(2) out of reception, up the road to an alleyway that runs between the apartment block and the poolside restaurant and bar, along that path, until you meet another adjoining alley and footpath that runs between blocks four and five, go along this footpath, and turn right towards apartments

(3) group members could leave block five and go to the "tapas bar", in reverse direction, as specified at (1) and (2), aforementioned...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:25:PM
MET police need to establish the routes taken by all members of the group that went to the "tapas bar" from their apartments, and back and forth to the "tapas bar" and apartments between initially going out to wine and dine, right up until Maddie was discovered to be missing by Kate at around 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:29:PM
Discrepancy about which door Kate used when she went to check on the children at about 10pm?

According to one version of events given to the Portuguese police by Gerry McCann, Kate used her key on the roadside door to gain access to 5a when she went there at about 10pm, but Kate states that she entered by way of the patio door on the poolside of the building - how could the parents get such details mixed up?

So, which route did Kate take, to get from the "tapas bar" restaurant to apartment 5a, on that occasion, (1) or (2), aforementioned?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:31:PM
Why would Kate go to the roadside door and use her key, if she knew that the patio door on the poolside had been left open?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:33:PM
Why would Gerry think Kate used her key on the door at the roadside of the premises, at 10pm, rather than use the open patio door entrance, on the poolside of the building? Surely he would have spoken to Kate before the police arrived to ascertain which way she had gone, and what she discovered upon entering the premises?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:38:PM
Things just don't add up

Working on the proviso that Jane Tanner did see a man carrying off a child that could have been Maddie, at about 9.20pm - then when Mathew Oldfield went to the apartment (5a) at about 9:30pm, and he opened the patio door, the bedroom door would have slammed shut because of the vacuum which have been generated, between the open bedroom window and steel shutter, and the open patio door. According to Oldfield this did not happen, and so the bedroom window and steel shutter could not have been open at that time, or by that stage...

Either, Oldfield is / was lying, or Jane tanner was / is lying, or both...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:42:PM
Similarly, when Kate went to 5a at about 10pm, if she entered via the roadside door, as told to the Portuguese police by Gerry, she would have noticed that the steel shutter at the bedroom window was open along with the window - and if she entered via the open patio door, it would have created a vacuum and slammed shut the bedroom door, if the bedroom window and steel shutter was already open by that stage...

What this alerts everyone to, is the fact that one or more of these persons is not telling the truth about the state of the bedroom window and steel shutter of 5a, that evening...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:45:PM
Maddie taken to nearby apartment

I believe that Maddie's body was taken to one of the apartments in the same block that was used by another member of the group, what is not clear, is whether this involved the cooperation and knowlege of one or both parents?

If true...

the only other members of the group that could have been involved in this were:-

(1) Mathew Oldfield
(2) Russell O'Brien
(3) David Payne
(4) Jane Tanner
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 12:49:PM
Permutation of  which two, or more, could have pulled off the abduction?

(1) departure of Mathew Oldfield, and Russell O'Brien, from the "tapas bar" at about 9:30pm, to go and check apartment 5a, could be linked to disappearance of Maddie from 5a...

(2) departure of Jane Tanner from "tapas bar" at about 9:15pm, could also be linked...

(3) story about sick child belonging to Tanner and O'Brien, sets off alarm bells ringing...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 01:03:PM
Three potential hiding places where body of Maddie could have originally been concealed - not yet checked by Portuguese police

These three locations might appear to be obvious, but the sad truth of the matter is that none of them have ever been checked not even up to this date:-

(1) the two roof spaces adjoining apartment 5a
(2) roof space adjoining apartment 5f

other potential roof spaces where body could have temporarily been concealed, or displaced...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 01:11:PM
Yet to be determined, is whether access to these roof spaces could be accessed from either apartment 5a, 5f, or one of the other apartments, used by a member of the group?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 30, 2011, 04:57:PM
Mike... all this window shutter business.  Surely if you and others can work it out.. it's not going to take Scotland Yard long to do the same.  Now surely if the McCann's know what happened re Maddie, they must have sussed that more coppers crawling all over the shutter discrepancies isn't going to help their case? 

I'm Just trying to figure out what the hell their game is (if indeed as many suspect, they know far more than they're letting on).
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Yes, I understand this business about the shutters at the window, but I can assure you that I looked very closely at this shutter, and the security device which is in place, and there is no way that anyone could open that bedroom window shutter from the outside, without any help from someone inside the bedroom. Gerry McCann cannot be correct when he says that immediately upon arriving back at the apartment after Kate raised the alarm that Maddie was missing, he went outside after he closed the shutter and was able to raise it all by himself from outside the bedroom window. This could not and did not happen, and so you have to ask the question - why did they make up this lie?

 I can only re-affirm that it would be impossible for anyone outside the bedroom window to open the metal shutter, without any help from  someone inside the bedroom. What this means is that if Maddie was taken through that bedroom window, it had to involve two people, not one...

What this means as far as I am concerned, is that if we are looking at an abduction, it involved two or more persons, not one solitary loner...

Nobody saw two strangers anywhere in the vicinity of 5a that night, there is only the report of a solitary figure seen by Jane Tanner who she claims carried off a child across the road junction between blocks five and six - I regard this sighting as dubious to say the least, I think it was a red herring, a smoke screen, to deflect attention away from what was really taking place......

It's a puzzler alright.  I'm thinking Maddie may have died much earlier than when Kate raised the alarm. What i don't understand is why her death could not have been reported to the authorities in the normal manner as one would expect.  And if there has been some kind of collusion among any members of the Tapas lot, with the aim of concealing of true circs in which Maddie died.. we seem to have another situation where no one cracks.  I can just about buy a 'welded together in collusion' scenario, if the circs of Maddies death meant that the stakes were very high indeed... but i struggle with all this writing to David Cameron stuff.  As double bluffs go Mike, it's risky business to get the Met. involved.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 05:05:PM
Does anyone think that Mathew Oldfield could have been mistaken for Gerry McCann in the dark?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 30, 2011, 05:13:PM
Does anyone think that Mathew Oldfield could have been mistaken for Gerry McCann in the dark?

Images of Matthew Oldfield

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/Matthew-Oldfield.jpg

http://www.madeleinemccann.org/tfm/images/thecast/moldfield300x400.jpg

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/notwoldfield.JPG

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/GAD/3rog_mathew_oldfield.jpg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 05:18:PM
Photographs taken by myself, available at the following link address:-

(1) http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 05:22:PM
Looking in the direction of the second horizontal drain along the west coast, from the restaurant terrace at The Bull public house, PDL, and a reverse view, standing in the vicinity of the same drain looking back in the direction of the pub, church and derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 05:25:PM
Access to the beach in the vicinity where the second horizontal drain is located -  if you go down this road and turn left it takes you in the general direction of the Bull pub, church and derelict building...

Also shown, is reverse view from edge of road looking back towards main road - if you turn right at the junction, it takes you back in the general direction of Kellys bar, and LUZDOC...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 05:32:PM
Showing view from corner of street which leads left and out of sight, downhill to the church, and derelict building, and The Bull pub - Kelly's bar is beyond the tables on the left, downhill and on the right out of sight...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2011, 05:43:PM
Night view looking down hill in the direction of the reception, and "tapas bar" restaurant entrance - towards where Baptiste supermarket is located, apartment 5a is situated on right in photograph...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 10:18:AM
There must have been at least two people involved in Maddies disappearance if she left through bedroom window...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on May 31, 2011, 12:43:PM
There must have been at least two people involved in Maddies disappearance if she left through bedroom window...

Did anyone actually witness the window being open and the shutters pulled up? I just cant see why someone would go to all the trouble of that when they could have just gone through the front door.Any kidnapper was taking a big gamble too,as the McCanns or any of their holiday friends could have have come by the apartment at any given moment.As for all the sightings of strange men carrying a child,wouldnt it have been more logical to have had a vehicle waiting at the front of the apartment?It is all very odd   :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 31, 2011, 01:11:PM
Two people involved if through shutter...and agree that Maddie would have been put straight into a false plated car or van. Who the **** would walk the streets with an abducted child?

I have doubts that Jane Tanner saw anything at all.

I still think it possible that the McCann's or other members of the Tapas 9 set up the shutter scenario as a fabrication.

Spoke to my ex wife about the case at the weekend, she thinks Gerry and Kate did it.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 09:16:PM
Two people involved if through shutter...and agree that Maddie would have been put straight into a false plated car or van. Who the **** would walk the streets with an abducted child?

I have doubts that Jane Tanner saw anything at all.

I still think it possible that the McCann's or other members of the Tapas 9 set up the shutter scenario as a fabrication.

Spoke to my ex wife about the case at the weekend, she thinks Gerry and Kate did it.
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Iv'e been giving the Smith sighting some more thought - think it could be linked to O"Brien staying behind at his apartment to look after his sick child, when Mathew Oldfield returned to the "tapas bar", after the 9:30pm check on apartment 5a...

Did O'Brien take his sick daughter out to LUZDOC that night, which is situated along the route taken by the man who was seen by the Smith contingent? Was Maddie moved from 5a by Oldfield and O'Brien, and taken into either O'Briens or Oldfield's apartment at around 9:30pm? A psychic friend of mine seems to think that the two children overdosed, on adult recreation drugs, and Maddie died, and the other child survived, and this was why members of the group closed shop and built up the story about an abduction...

Child of O'Brien / Tanner survived - Maddie did not...

My friend believes that Smith contingent saw the other sick child being carried in the arms of one member of the group, who was not Gerry McCann, my friend says the child being carried was not dead, but unwell, and that this child did not die, but was returned to the apartment...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 09:23:PM
My psychic friend, also says that when Kate went to apartment 5a at about 10pm, she was met there by someone from the group - I have pressed for more information but my friend is not forthcoming...

I think other person at 5a was Jane Tanner or David Payne...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 09:32:PM
Psychic friend says that bed sheet went missing or was washed because it contained traces of sickness and the Adult recreation drug that the child and Maddie had overdosed on...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 31, 2011, 09:34:PM
Two people involved if through shutter...and agree that Maddie would have been put straight into a false plated car or van. Who the **** would walk the streets with an abducted child?

I have doubts that Jane Tanner saw anything at all.

I still think it possible that the McCann's or other members of the Tapas 9 set up the shutter scenario as a fabrication.

Spoke to my ex wife about the case at the weekend, she thinks Gerry and Kate did it.
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Iv'e been giving the Smith sighting some more thought - think it could be linked to O"Brien staying behind at his apartment to look after his sick child, when Mathew Oldfield returned to the "tapas bar", after the 9:30pm check on apartment 5a...

Did O'Brien take his sick daughter out to LUZDOC that night, which is situated along the route taken by the man who was seen by the Smith contingent? Was Maddie moved from 5a by Oldfield and O'Brien, and taken into either O'Briens or Oldfield's apartment at around 9:30pm? A psychic friend of mine seems to think that the two children overdosed, on adult recreation drugs, and Maddie died, and the other child survived, and this was why members of the group closed shop and built up the story about an abduction...

Child of O'Brien / Tanner survived - Maddie did not...

My friend believes that Smith contingent saw the other sick child being carried in the arms of one member of the group, who was not Gerry McCann, my friend says the child being carried was not dead, but unwell, and that this child did not die, but was returned to the apartment...

Christ on a bike Mike... that'll throw the cat among the pigeons with a few on here... mind you that's a hell of a theory, which I bet nobody else has ever come up with.  Would explain a lot if there was truth in it.  Mike, dare I ask... has this source got an opinion on the main case?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 31, 2011, 09:40:PM
Very interesting Mike, and quite possible.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 09:44:PM
Two people involved if through shutter...and agree that Maddie would have been put straight into a false plated car or van. Who the **** would walk the streets with an abducted child?

I have doubts that Jane Tanner saw anything at all.

I still think it possible that the McCann's or other members of the Tapas 9 set up the shutter scenario as a fabrication.

Spoke to my ex wife about the case at the weekend, she thinks Gerry and Kate did it.
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Iv'e been giving the Smith sighting some more thought - think it could be linked to O"Brien staying behind at his apartment to look after his sick child, when Mathew Oldfield returned to the "tapas bar", after the 9:30pm check on apartment 5a...

Did O'Brien take his sick daughter out to LUZDOC that night, which is situated along the route taken by the man who was seen by the Smith contingent? Was Maddie moved from 5a by Oldfield and O'Brien, and taken into either O'Briens or Oldfield's apartment at around 9:30pm? A psychic friend of mine seems to think that the two children overdosed, on adult recreation drugs, and Maddie died, and the other child survived, and this was why members of the group closed shop and built up the story about an abduction...

Child of O'Brien / Tanner survived - Maddie did not...

My friend believes that Smith contingent saw the other sick child being carried in the arms of one member of the group, who was not Gerry McCann, my friend says the child being carried was not dead, but unwell, and that this child did not die, but was returned to the apartment...

Christ on a bike Mike... that'll throw the cat among the pigeons with a few on here... mind you that's a hell of a theory, which I bet nobody else has ever come up with.  Would explain a lot if there was truth in it.  Mike, dare I ask... has this source got an opinion on the main case?
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Yes, psychic friend is of the opinion that Jeremy encouraged Sheila to do it, friend says Jeremy was not there when family shot, and he did not pay anyone to carry out the shootings, friend says there was no need to pay anyone, Sheila was primed to carry out the shootings, and she snapped when her parents started talking about getting her some help to look after the children, or that foster parents could be found to take care of them...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 31, 2011, 09:55:PM
Mike - have you considered that Maddie may have died in O'Briens apartment? Was she ever in 5a that evening? It may have been some kind of kids sleepover. Or failing that, was the O'Brien's kid in 5a? The number of 'checks' on the evening Maddie disappeared were completely out of sync with what had gone on before ( thinking back to Mrs Fenn's statement etc ).

Back on the Jeremy trail, I too came across someone who thought Jeremy somehow put Shelia up to the killings.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 31, 2011, 09:59:PM
Two people involved if through shutter...and agree that Maddie would have been put straight into a false plated car or van. Who the **** would walk the streets with an abducted child?

I have doubts that Jane Tanner saw anything at all.

I still think it possible that the McCann's or other members of the Tapas 9 set up the shutter scenario as a fabrication.

Spoke to my ex wife about the case at the weekend, she thinks Gerry and Kate did it.
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Iv'e been giving the Smith sighting some more thought - think it could be linked to O"Brien staying behind at his apartment to look after his sick child, when Mathew Oldfield returned to the "tapas bar", after the 9:30pm check on apartment 5a...

Did O'Brien take his sick daughter out to LUZDOC that night, which is situated along the route taken by the man who was seen by the Smith contingent? Was Maddie moved from 5a by Oldfield and O'Brien, and taken into either O'Briens or Oldfield's apartment at around 9:30pm? A psychic friend of mine seems to think that the two children overdosed, on adult recreation drugs, and Maddie died, and the other child survived, and this was why members of the group closed shop and built up the story about an abduction...

Child of O'Brien / Tanner survived - Maddie did not...

My friend believes that Smith contingent saw the other sick child being carried in the arms of one member of the group, who was not Gerry McCann, my friend says the child being carried was not dead, but unwell, and that this child did not die, but was returned to the apartment...

Christ on a bike Mike... that'll throw the cat among the pigeons with a few on here... mind you that's a hell of a theory, which I bet nobody else has ever come up with.  Would explain a lot if there was truth in it.  Mike, dare I ask... has this source got an opinion on the main case?
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Yes, psychic friend is of the opinion that Jeremy encouraged Sheila to do it...

Sorry to digress, given this is a Madeleine McCann thread... but is this what you were referring to when you said... someone once suggested that 'Jeremy's accomplice was Sheila'?  And do you have an opinion on the psychic's opinion?  To me that theory would be related to the gun left on the settle and the 'conversation' re the twins...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 10:01:PM
Mike - have you considered that Maddie may have died in O'Briens apartment? Was she ever in 5a that evening? It may have been some kind of kids sleepover. Or failing that, was the O'Brien's kid in 5a? The number of 'checks' on the evening Maddie disappeared were completely out of sync with what had gone on before ( thinking back to Mrs Fenn's statement etc ).

Back on the Jeremy trail, I too came across someone who thought Jeremy somehow put Shelia up to the killings.
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My friend says that Jeremy answered all the questions truthfully and honestly when he took the lie detector test - but Jeremy was not asked directly if he put up Sheila to shoot everyone at some stage. Friends says Jeremy did receive call from Ralph, at which stage it was the signal that Sheila might have started to carry out the shootings as she had been primed to do...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on May 31, 2011, 10:05:PM
Mike, what is your psychic friend's track record? Has he/she been proven correct in the past?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on May 31, 2011, 10:09:PM
Mike, what is your psychic friend's track record? Has he/she been proven correct in the past?

Pugsie - no psychic has ever been "proven correct". If they had, it would have been very big news indeed  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on May 31, 2011, 10:10:PM
I too mentioned a psychic some weeks ago, yet got shot down in flames on here for doing so, interesting though, that he also suggested some collaberation between Jeremy and Shelia. He certainly had Shelia as the shooter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 10:14:PM
Mike, what is your psychic friend's track record? Has he/she been proven correct in the past?
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Yes, of course...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on May 31, 2011, 10:14:PM
I know, Bob. If all this psychic stuff had any truth to it, there would be no such thing as an unsolved crime. Sadly.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on May 31, 2011, 10:15:PM
Oops, sorry, crossed posts. Can you tell us more, Mike? I am genuinely interested.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 10:21:PM
I brought stones back from Portugal beach and derelict building opposite church to give to my friend, also some cuttings from shrub of garden beneath patio veranda of 5a...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 31, 2011, 10:29:PM
Mike, have you ever broached the psychic's opinion with Jeremy?  And do you have an opinion on their view re Jeremy?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2011, 10:36:PM
Mike, have you ever broached the psychic's opinion with Jeremy?  And do you have an opinion on their view re Jeremy?
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I only ever broached the subject once with Jeremy, and that was in an indirect way when I was once speaking to him about the so called suicide note (rows and columns of capital letters) - "Now Make Dad, Go Downstairs, Bedroom Phone Lead unplugged, Get Jeremy to Come To Farm", I told Jeremy that my friend interpreted the note to mean this, and Jeremy appeared shocked at first and then he beamed back one of those massive grins that are characteristic of him, and he simply said, words to the effect, my friend and I should keep such comments to ourselves...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on May 31, 2011, 11:04:PM
But why? (Do you want to take this to a more appropriate thread?)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2011, 08:21:AM
But why? (Do you want to take this to a more appropriate thread?)
... When I spoke to Jeremy originally about this matter, he actually said, ' Clever b---s---d', as though he was suprised by the ease with which my psychic friend interpreted the note?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 01, 2011, 10:45:AM
Mike,sorry wrong thread I know,but did your psychic friend forsee Jeremys release from prison,in the future?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 01, 2011, 05:00:PM
But why? (Do you want to take this to a more appropriate thread?)
... When I spoke to Jeremy originally about this matter, he actually said, ' Clever b---s---d', as though he was suprised by the ease with which my psychic friend interpreted the note?

Mike, million dollar question here... do you retain any percentage in your own mind, as to some kind of involvement from Jeremy, as per the psychic implied?  Say if I'm 80/20... are you 95/5?  ;)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 01, 2011, 05:16:PM
Mike, have you ever broached the psychic's opinion with Jeremy?  And do you have an opinion on their view re Jeremy?
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I only ever broached the subject once with Jeremy, and that was in an indirect way when I was once speaking to him about the so called suicide note (rows and columns of capital letters) - "Now Make Dad, Go Downstairs, Bedroom Phone Lead unplugged, Get Jeremy to Come To Farm", I told Jeremy that my friend interpreted the note to mean this, and Jeremy appeared shocked at first and then he beamed back one of those massive grins that are characteristic of him, and he simply said, words to the effect, my friend and I should keep such comments to ourselves...

I assumed it was you or Taff Jones who had applied that interpretation.  I'm a little taken aback that it was a 'psychic'.  I still dont get get how it would fit in with Jeremy having put Sheila up to it.  Since it is highly unlikely that he had sufficient understanding of Sheila's mental health issues required manipulate her to that extent.  Unless he told her the twins were going to be taken away in the night by Social Services and that this had been secretly arranged by Neville / June etc.  How could he engineer a psychotic episode in his sister, at a specific time?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2011, 05:46:PM
Mike,sorry wrong thread I know,but did your psychic friend forsee Jeremys release from prison,in the future?
... Yes, most definately - psychic friend has foretold of his impending release...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2011, 08:36:PM
Why did parents and "tapas group" members have to write down a time table of events that evening before they contacted the police, to show who checked the apartments and when?

What exactly were they all fearful of?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 01, 2011, 08:38:PM
Why did parents and "tapas group" members have to write down a time table of events that evening before they contacted the police, to show who checked the apartments and when?

What exactly were they all fearful of?
Because they needed to give themselves alibis?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2011, 08:40:PM
Why did parents and "tapas group" members have to write down a time table of events that evening before they contacted the police, to show who checked the apartments and when?

What exactly were they all fearful of?
Because they needed to give themselves alibis?
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Yes, it looks that way to me, too...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on June 01, 2011, 10:49:PM
There was something said in a previous post about the likelihood of this Senario being successful when so many people are involved in a cover up that made me think about certain things.

The possible reason for getting the others to confirm in some form of writting the various times they had checked on their kids and the children of the other members may have helped include them in the deception.

They may have been manipulated to include times that may have helped cover or corroborate timing's from those who were involved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on June 01, 2011, 11:12:PM
Mike, have you ever broached the psychic's opinion with Jeremy?  And do you have an opinion on their view re Jeremy?
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I only ever broached the subject once with Jeremy, and that was in an indirect way when I was once speaking to him about the so called suicide note (rows and columns of capital letters) - "Now Make Dad, Go Downstairs, Bedroom Phone Lead unplugged, Get Jeremy to Come To Farm", I told Jeremy that my friend interpreted the note to mean this, and Jeremy appeared shocked at first and then he beamed back one of those massive grins that are characteristic of him, and he simply said, words to the effect, my friend and I should keep such comments to ourselves...

I assumed it was you or Taff Jones who had applied that interpretation.  I'm a little taken aback that it was a 'psychic'.  I still dont get get how it would fit in with Jeremy having put Sheila up to it.  Since it is highly unlikely that he had sufficient understanding of Sheila's mental health issues required manipulate her to that extent.  Unless he told her the twins were going to be taken away in the night by Social Services and that this had been secretly arranged by Neville / June etc.  How could he engineer a psychotic episode in his sister, at a specific time?
I appreciate your "taken aback" Roch. Unfortunately if you apply a similar analysis to the other posted "evidence" you can spot a pattern  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 01, 2011, 11:33:PM
Mike, have you ever broached the psychic's opinion with Jeremy?  And do you have an opinion on their view re Jeremy?
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I only ever broached the subject once with Jeremy, and that was in an indirect way when I was once speaking to him about the so called suicide note (rows and columns of capital letters) - "Now Make Dad, Go Downstairs, Bedroom Phone Lead unplugged, Get Jeremy to Come To Farm", I told Jeremy that my friend interpreted the note to mean this, and Jeremy appeared shocked at first and then he beamed back one of those massive grins that are characteristic of him, and he simply said, words to the effect, my friend and I should keep such comments to ourselves...

I assumed it was you or Taff Jones who had applied that interpretation.  I'm a little taken aback that it was a 'psychic'.  I still dont get get how it would fit in with Jeremy having put Sheila up to it.  Since it is highly unlikely that he had sufficient understanding of Sheila's mental health issues required manipulate her to that extent.  Unless he told her the twins were going to be taken away in the night by Social Services and that this had been secretly arranged by Neville / June etc.  How could he engineer a psychotic episode in his sister, at a specific time?
I appreciate your "taken aback" Roch. Unfortunately if you apply a similar analysis to the other posted "evidence" you can spot a pattern  :(

I did buy the suggestion from one poster that it was the children practicing sounds of letters.  I expect we'll never know for sure.  I keep a cautious, yet open mind about 'psychics'. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2011, 12:33:AM
The more I come to think about it, I am convinced that if the man seen by the Smith contingent was not somebody carrying off Maddie, then she was in one of the other apartments belonging to one of the other members of the group, in the knowledge of at least two or more group members, who I believe included, Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, David Payne, Gerry McCann and Kate. These individuals know what really happened to Maddie, I feel sure of it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2011, 09:09:PM
Would anyone here have a different opinion if the McCanns took a lie detector test and passed?
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Yes, I think I would...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2011, 09:16:PM
My psychic friend has consented to being filmed, talking about the case of Maddie McCann, and her disappearance in PDL, May 2007 - my friend is due to return from America in three weeks time, and has promised to reveal all in an interview, about his take on the case...

I have agreed in principal to such an interview and obtained my friends permission to broadcast the said interview, here...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on June 02, 2011, 09:59:PM
Ive said all along that if Sheila did it then JB was still behind it in some way.

Now back to what mike said Jeremy said when the idea that he may have persuaded sheila to carry out the murders was put to him ( he responded clever b****** then i hope never gets released.

If mike thinks this scenario is even a possibility then i dont understand why he still supports him!

Re the Maddie casei think the idea that the she may have taken recreational drugs that belonged to the adults highly likely BUT i still dont think Kate was involved and i also think someone would have cracked under the pressure by now. Why on earth would they push for a review and run risk of all this coming out!?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on June 02, 2011, 10:25:PM
Would anyone here have a different opinion if the McCanns took a lie detector test and passed?
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Yes, I think I would...

I wouldn't - for the reasons discussed on the Lie Detector thread on the JB forum.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 02, 2011, 11:29:PM
Ive said all along that if Sheila did it then JB was still behind it in some way.

Now back to what mike said Jeremy said when the idea that he may have persuaded sheila to carry out the murders was put to him ( he responded clever b****** then i hope never gets released.


If mike thinks this scenario is even a possibility then i dont understand why he still supports him!

Re the Maddie casei think the idea that the she may have taken recreational drugs that belonged to the adults highly likely BUT i still dont think Kate was involved and i also think someone would have cracked under the pressure by now. Why on earth would they push for a review and run risk of all this coming out!?

Don't think the psychic will say it was deliberate manipulation on the part of Jeremy.  Think it's more likely things were said which got twisted in Sheila's mind.  How on earth could you prime someone to carry out those kind of killings?   Re Kate... hmmmm?  I agree though on the review thing... It's either the most brazen double bluff in the world or.... or what??
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 03, 2011, 01:08:AM
Poor Kate had no part in the loss of that child. But Gerry? How scary and controlling does he seem to be?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 03, 2011, 01:15:AM
But Mike, you can't just lose a body, even that small.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 03, 2011, 01:16:AM
Unless she was taken out to sea, as the tide was going out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 05, 2011, 12:46:AM
Its possible.Apparantly the rubbish bins are emptied out at sea in the early hours of the morning.very nice  :o       However,I dont know how true this is.Maybe Mike could tell us?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 05, 2011, 05:36:AM
It does seem to be true.

The more I research the accounts of sightings by Jane Tanner, the less I trust her.

Sniffer dogs could not confirm what Tanner said she saw.

None of the Tapas 9 searched in the direction Tanner indicated.

Only two possible sightings of an abductor, the first by Tanner that was more or less dismissed as fabrication by the PJ, and the second by the Smith family.

As far as I can make out the body of Madeleine McCann may well have been hidden in or around 5A for a while.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 05, 2011, 09:30:AM
It does seem to be true.

The more I research the accounts of sightings by Jane Tanner, the less I trust her.

Sniffer dogs could not confirm what Tanner said she saw.

None of the Tapas 9 searched in the direction Tanner indicated.

Only two possible sightings of an abductor, the first by Tanner that was more or less dismissed as fabrication by the PJ, and the second by the Smith family.

As far as I can make out the body of Madeleine McCann may well have been hidden in or around 5A for a while.

Tanner doesn't seem to get any support does she?  Nobody seems to rate Tanner's sighting.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on June 05, 2011, 12:52:PM
Is this the Twilight Zone.....?  :o
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2011, 03:07:PM
Its possible.Apparantly the rubbish bins are emptied out at sea in the early hours of the morning.very nice  :o       However,I dont know how true this is.Maybe Mike could tell us?
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I photographed all the bin locations in and around apartment 5a, the "Baptiste supermarket" and "other locations" in the close vicinity - pictures and maps to show their location will be posted in due course...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 05, 2011, 05:22:PM
Its possible.Apparantly the rubbish bins are emptied out at sea in the early hours of the morning.very nice  :o       However,I dont know how true this is.Maybe Mike could tell us?
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I photographed all the bin locations in and around apartment 5a, the "Baptiste supermarket" and "other locations" in the close vicinity - pictures and maps to show their location will be posted in due course...

But is it true that the rubbish is taken out to sea to be disposed of?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 05, 2011, 08:08:PM
Here is a very strange quote from Gerry McCann that was featured on BBC's Panorama...'Kate and I strongly believe that Madeleine was alive when she was taken from the apartment'...

In the hours and days following Madeleine's disappearance Kate often checked to see if the twins were still breathing.

Kate McCann kicked doors and walls in Apartment 5A in the initial aftermath of the event.

Sometimes I wonder if Kate found Madeleine dead herself and the times of the checks were switched around or lost in translation.

All of Kate McCann's actions and figures of speech suggested to some that she referred to her daughter in the past tense.

The rest may be denial.

Collusion between the McCann's and Jane Tanner?

All the hand holding between Gerry and Kate for the media may have been an act. They were not getting on too well during their stay in Portugal.


 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 05, 2011, 10:36:PM
Did Russell O'Brien go awol for a period long enough to hide the body of Madeleine McCann?

Police detected a phone call between Gerry McCann's mobile and that of Russell O'Brien between 10pm and 11pm at a distance of further than 10 miles.

The PJ identified a black hole of around 30 minutes after Kate's discovery - by the time they arrived at the compound about an hour or so may have passed in which time the body may have been hidden.

Google images may have confirmed this, and in defence of the McCann's ( for once ) it has to be said that they too enquired about the satellite images.

The McCann's were 'wired' by the PJ and with the full knowledge of Leicestershire Constabulary - at least, this is how I understand it.

Police thought Madeleine died of an overdose of a sleeping sedative.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2011, 10:42:PM
Did Russell O'Brien go awol for a period long enough to hide the body of Madeleine McCann?

Police detected a phone call between Gerry McCann's mobile and that of Russell O'Brien between 10pm and 11pm at a distance of further than 10 miles.

The PJ identified a black hole of around 30 minutes after Kate's discovery - by the time they arrived at the compound about an hour or so may have passed in which time the body may have been hidden.

Google images may have confirmed this, and in defence of the McCann's ( for once ) it has to be said that they too enquired about the satellite images.

The McCann's were 'wired' by the PJ and with the full knowledge of Leicestershire Constabulary - at least, this is how I understand it.

Police thought Madeleine died of an overdose of a sleeping sedative.
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I think Jane Tanner, and Russell O'Brien, are tied in deeply to the disappearance of Maddie, its just too coincidental that Jane claims she saw the abductor carrying off Maddie, and that Russell was away from the "tapas bar" at the time Maddie disappeared, allegedly from 5a...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2011, 10:55:PM
The visit to the apartment block by Russel O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield at about 9:30pm, is very interesting for a number of different reasons, since, there was no access to their own apartments by way of the patio doors, because these had been locked from the inside and therefore Oldfield and O'Brien could only access their own apartments (5B and 5 D) by way of the roadside doors on the far side of the building away from the tapas bar, pool and restaurant...

Oldfield's apartment door, 5B was next door to the apartment where Maddie and the other two children were supposedly sleeping, and at around 9pm, Oldfield had listened at the bedroom shutter of 5a, when checking on the kids, so why did he listen at the patio door on the poolside of the building when he went back at 9:30pm?

Which route did O'Brien take?

O'Brien would have to use the door on the roadside of his apartment (5D) to check on his child, so he would be on the right side of the building to assist in the removal of Maddie from the apartment (5a), in my opinion...



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 05, 2011, 11:48:PM
On the 9.30 check,Matthew Oldfield actually went in to the McCanns apartment via the unlocked patio door.He stood at the door to the childrens room and looked in.He saw the twins asleep in their travel cots,but didnt check Maddie as her bed was behind the door.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 06, 2011, 10:01:PM
On the 9.30 check,Matthew Oldfield actually went in to the McCanns apartment via the unlocked patio door.He stood at the door to the childrens room and looked in.He saw the twins asleep in their travel cots,but didnt check Maddie as her bed was behind the door.
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How strange, that when Kate McCann went to apartment 5a at about 10pm, she made the exact same error / mistake of not looking for Maddie when she opened the bedroom door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 05:37:AM
I previously said that it was Russell O'Brien, who had a boating accident on the afternoon Maddie went missing, and that he went jogging with Kate, but I was mistaken, it was Mathew Oldfield who nearly drowned, and Mathew went jogging with Kate...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 06:12:AM
I detect a degree of jealousy, and animousity, between Mathew Oldfield and Gerry McCann, albeit it does appear to me, to have been one sided. Oldfield was staying in the next apartment (5B) to the McCanns, he is the person who was chasing Maddie around and she was shouting 'chase me, chase me, be a monster'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 06:28:AM
Oldfield is the person who told pp, that on previous occasions during the holiday, how he had been eavesdropping when the McCanns were bathing the children...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 07:03:AM
Oldfield was the person, who instilled suspicion in the mind of Gerry MaCANN, at around 9pm, after Mathew Oldfield had been listening at the shutter of Maddies bedroom at apartment 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 01:31:PM
We now know that Oldfield gave two different versions about how he checked apartment 5a, at 9.30pm - in one version, he merely stood outside the patio door and listened for if the children were crying? Yet, in a second version of alleged events, he actually opened the patio door, and went inside, pausing at the bedroom door, without physically seeing Maddie in bed - these two conflicting accounts, alert me to the possibility that he initially did not want anyone to know he had been inside 5a, but if he had he must surely have suspected that his fingerprints and DNA would / could have been found there, and so he changed his story...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 01:55:PM
I very strongly believe that Mathew Oldfield's changing accounts, about whether or not he went into apartment 5a, is linked to Maddies disappearance that night. And that paved the way to temporarily give some credibility to Jane Tanners sighting of the  faceless man carrying off a child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 07:12:PM
Jane Tanner, herself, is embroiled in this mystery, and plays an important part, be declaring at some late stage that she knew about the faceless man carrying off the child, but chose not to say anything to Maddie's parents because it might be too upsetting...

More like...

story introduced to deflect attention off the group, members who did play a role in Maddie's disappearance, sending the police in the opposite direction to the one she was actually taken...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 07:16:PM
Gerry McCann got in on the act too...

in his first statement, he said that when Kate left the "tapas bar" to go and check 5a, she went to the door on the roadside of the building, and used her key to let herself in. He later altered this account and said that in fact Kate had got into the premises via the patio door on the poolside of the building...

If Kate used her key to let herself in via the roadside door, she would have had to go past the shuttered bedroom window and she would have noticed that was open before she unlocked the door...

McCanns realized this from a very early stage and hence the change in Gerrys account....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2011, 08:27:PM
Only fingerprints found on window and shutters belonged to McCann parents...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 07, 2011, 11:53:PM
It looks very much like the abduction was faked.

I've delved into Jane Tanner's accounts about what she is supposed to have seen.

If she passed within one metre of Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins on her walk back to the apartments, and neither of them saw her - in a deserted street, then I can only conclude that she is making the whole thing up.

The PJ never believed a word of Tanner's about anything that went on that night.

With no mobile phones and watches ( according to O'Brien ) all of the times re. the checks were just pulled out of the air. I'm not even sure that they made a single check on the children between them, but just made it up to cover themselves of bad parenting. Perhaps the 'checks' were the removal of Maddie's body from Apartment 5A.





Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 08, 2011, 12:43:AM
Oh Mike, I'm sorry, but she'll never be found, will she? I have huge doubts about Gerry, he comes across as a very controlling man, and as long as he is in control, the investigation will not progress. Mike, such a tiny body will never be found.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2011, 06:57:AM
Oh Mike, I'm sorry, but she'll never be found, will she? I have huge doubts about Gerry, he comes across as a very controlling man, and as long as he is in control, the investigation will not progress. Mike, such a tiny body will never be found.
... I think her remains will be found soon...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 08, 2011, 09:39:AM
Im not sure how true it is,but I read that Leicestershire Police are suspicious of the McCanns.I personally dont think that Kate is involved although when it happened she kind of acted and spoke almost as if she was grieving,as if  Maddie had died.Mike,do you think Maddie died by way of a sedative overdose?Kate tells in her book that the evening before Maddie went missing,whilst they were having their tea,that they went home because Maddie looked very pale and exhausted and was very quiet.Kate now wonders if she and the twins had been drugged.A long time ago,I remember being told that the men in the tapas group were part of a paedophile ring with links to Murat.Probably wild speculation but something that should definately have been looked in to.You are right about Oldfield.Two different stories,that is very suspicious!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2011, 09:52:AM
One thing that strikes anyone who stays at the resort where the McCanns, thier children, and the other group members all stayed, is how the streets are deserted in the evenings. You could not help but notice a person walking or standing around in the street. If there were two people standing around, they would be even more noticeable. If one of these two people had a pushchair with a child in it, even more noticeable. If there had been a man carrying off a child in his arms, as claimed by JT, the others would have seen him, and vice versa. The problem with JT's story is that nobody saw her in the street at the time she said she was in the street, and nobody at all, saw the man carrying off the child, other than JT herself. What is also strange, is that if the JT sighting was genuine, then by the time she got up to he mouth of the junction (across which the man had been carrying the child in his arms) where exactly did this man with the child go? Since, once the man crossed the junction, he had a long way to walk before he got to a bend in the road, or the entrance to the next apartment block carpark - JT does not mention glancing her head to the right as she approached the jaws of the junction, to take another look at the man, who would not have had time to disappear from her view - if she had taken the time to look, she would have noticed whether or not the man carrying the child had walked one way or the other? I would suggest that she did not bother to look right at the road junction to see where the man carrying the child was, because there was no such sighting in the first instance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 08, 2011, 09:57:AM
I have to agree with you there.Along with many others,including the police,I totally believe that Tanners sighting was bogus,and was simply to deflect attention away from the tapas group.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2011, 05:47:PM
Im not sure how true it is,but I read that Leicestershire Police are suspicious of the McCanns.I personally dont think that Kate is involved although when it happened she kind of acted and spoke almost as if she was grieving,as if  Maddie had died.Mike,do you think Maddie died by way of a sedative overdose?Kate tells in her book that the evening before Maddie went missing,whilst they were having their tea,that they went home because Maddie looked very pale and exhausted and was very quiet.Kate now wonders if she and the twins had been drugged.A long time ago,I remember being told that the men in the tapas group were part of a paedophile ring with links to Murat.Probably wild speculation but something that should definately have been looked in to.You are right about Oldfield.Two different stories,that is very suspicious!
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I am with you in your ideas...

Was Maddie being drugged by a member, or members of the group?

Mathew Oldfield certainly took an interest in the McCann family, and in particular, Maddie...

"Chase me, chase me, be a monster", springs to mind...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 08, 2011, 06:17:PM
Mike, with 'Ali Bongo' exposed as a fake... where does that leave the theory about the recreational drugs? That theory must have come from somewhere. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2011, 06:26:PM
Mike, with 'Ali Bongo' exposed as a fake... where does that leave the theory about the recreational drugs? That theory must have come from somewhere.
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My own theory...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 08, 2011, 08:07:PM
I know this sounds far-fetched and disgusting,but I dont think it is a coincidence that( the holiday party invited by the Paynes),that all the children except one,consisted of girls.I think it is possible that the children were being drugged by a couple of the men,in order to be abused.I think it very odd how Oldfield insisted on checking on the McCann children and by the next check Maddie was gone.I believe that the tapas friends silence pact stems from the fact that they all have something to hide,that if discovered would result in them all losing their careers,and their children.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2011, 08:15:PM
I know this sounds far-fetched and disgusting,but I dont think it is a coincidence that( the holiday party invited by the Paynes),that all the children except one,consisted of girls.I think it is possible that the children were being drugged by a couple of the men,in order to be abused.I think it very odd how Oldfield insisted on checking on the McCann children and by the next check Maddie was gone.I believe that the tapas friends silence pact stems from the fact that they all have something to hide,that if discovered would result in them all losing their careers,and their children.
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What - and go to prison for a very long time indeed?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 08, 2011, 08:30:PM
The aspect of Tanner's sighting that baffles me the most is that she mentions passing Gerry / Jez / Toddler...she could have just said what she saw while she was on her own.

The re-construction of Tanner's sighting was vital to this case.

I tried to contact Jeremy Wilkins today at Zig Zag Productions in London, but was told he left the company two weeks ago.

I just wanted to ask him if he thought Tanner was making up the story for myself.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2011, 09:31:PM
The aspect of Tanner's sighting that baffles me the most is that she mentions passing Gerry / Jez / Toddler...she could have just said what she saw while she was on her own.

The re-construction of Tanner's sighting was vital to this case.

I tried to contact Jeremy Wilkins today at Zig Zag Productions in London, but was told he left the company two weeks ago.

I just wanted to ask him if he thought Tanner was making up the story for myself.
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What I don't get about the alleged abduction by this man, or other, is the route he allegedly took after kidnapping Maddie from 5a, because what does the man do once he gets his hands on poor little Maddie, he walks out onto the car park at the rear of 5a, then out of the entrance and he turns downhill in the direction of the road junction, in immediate peril of bumping into the McCann parents or other group members who could be returning at a moments notice - well, if there was an abductor and he had been watching the routine of the group members with a view to taking a child like Maddie, he would have known of the very strong likelihood that someone or other would or might be returning to their apartment blocks at any moment or time, so I think such an abductor, if there was one would have turned right, up the hill in the opposite direction to the road junction, across which JT allegedly saw the man carrying off the child...

I don't believe Tanners account one bit...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: andrea on June 08, 2011, 09:34:PM
those children should NOT have been left on their own. had an adult been with them maddie would still be here, simple as that.

Pleeeeeeaaase......do you have children Andrea and if you do, did you never ever leave them on their own?




absolutley NOT NO, i hope you wouldnt leave your kids on their own either. had they had adult supervision maddie would still be here, its not rocket science is it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 08, 2011, 10:24:PM
I make you absolutely right andrea   +1
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: andrea on June 09, 2011, 08:31:AM
I make you absolutely right andrea   +1



thanks tyler have +1 back  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 09, 2011, 01:12:PM
Agreed Mike, on the apparent unlikely route taken by the 'abductor' - a re-investigation should concentrate fully and in detail re. Jane Tanner's 'sighting'.

If she is lying then it seems certain that she and other members of the Tapas 9 were involved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 09, 2011, 01:51:PM
Agreed Mike, on the apparent unlikely route taken by the 'abductor' - a re-investigation should concentrate fully and in detail re. Jane Tanner's 'sighting'.

If she is lying then it seems certain that she and other members of the Tapas 9 were involved.
... Do you think Jane Tanner should be hypnotically regressed?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 09, 2011, 02:08:PM
Agreed Mike, on the apparent unlikely route taken by the 'abductor' - a re-investigation should concentrate fully and in detail re. Jane Tanner's 'sighting'.

If she is lying then it seems certain that she and other members of the Tapas 9 were involved.
... Do you think Jane Tanner should be hypnotically regressed?

I think she should be arrested for wasting police time   ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 09, 2011, 05:03:PM
Mike - that sounds like a great idea, reading through the transcripts of Tanner's extended interviews at Leicestershire Constabulary she must have clocked up over one thousand er's and um's.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 09, 2011, 07:50:PM
Agreed Mike, on the apparent unlikely route taken by the 'abductor' - a re-investigation should concentrate fully and in detail re. Jane Tanner's 'sighting'.

If she is lying then it seems certain that she and other members of the Tapas 9 were involved.
... Do you think Jane Tanner should be hypnotically regressed?




I understand that she was.  Not sure if this was when she described the colour of the child's pyjamas as being pink etc, which would have been impossible to make out due to the orange street lighting.

Have you ever read her statements?  This woman cannot string a simple sentence together!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 09, 2011, 08:44:PM
Aside from the Tapas 9 statements, one statement I've always found intriguing is one made by another holidaymaker at the time, Stephen Carpenter, who says that he, his wife and children left the Tapas Bar between 9.15 and 9.30 and his wife heard someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", as they crossed the road to get to their apartment.

This is 30 - 45 mins before Kate raised the 'official' alarm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 09, 2011, 08:55:PM
Kate McCann likewise, has never been able to speak freely and opening without numerous pauses and deep breaths.

I heard a few months ago from a friend with a contact in Downing Street ( former body guard to Gordon Brown ) that the family were involved in some way - but no detail,  just that Madeleine may have died in the apartment.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 09, 2011, 09:21:PM
Is it true that Gordon Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty on condition Dr Amaral was taken off the case?

Why was Gordon Brown was involved with the case from the beginning?  Gerry McCann said he had given them his private telephone number and they could phone him day or night. Gordon Brown also said publicly, that he was speaking to the Portuguese Prime Minister about the case.  Did Gordon Brown have enough power, to persuade someone with enough power in the Portuguese Government, to overrule the PJ and allow the McCanns to walk free?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 09, 2011, 09:49:PM
Is it true that Gordon Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty on condition Dr Amaral was taken off the case?

Why Gordon Brown was involved with the case from the beginning?  Gerry McCann said he had given them his private telephone number and they could phone him day or night. Gordon Brown also said publicly, that he was speaking to the Portuguese Prime Minister about the case.  Did Gordon Brown have enough power, to persuade someone with enough power in the Portuguese Government, to overrule the PJ and allow the McCanns to walk free?

Somewhere along the line, and perhaps at the highest level, information on this case may have been supressed. The McCann's used the political and media machines from the very beginning - initially to their advantage, until it all backfired.

As I understand it, the DNA results from the hire car did indeed indicate that there was a link to Madeleine's body, or perhaps, contact with her body from Gerry or Kate or both, being present. I believe that hair strands from Madeleine pretty much proved that there was contact with her parents several hours after death.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 09, 2011, 10:27:PM
Is it true that Gordon Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty on condition Dr Amaral was taken off the case?

Why Gordon Brown was involved with the case from the beginning?  Gerry McCann said he had given them his private telephone number and they could phone him day or night. Gordon Brown also said publicly, that he was speaking to the Portuguese Prime Minister about the case.  Did Gordon Brown have enough power, to persuade someone with enough power in the Portuguese Government, to overrule the PJ and allow the McCanns to walk free?

Somewhere along the line, and perhaps at the highest level, information on this case may have been supressed. The McCann's used the political and media machines from the very beginning - initially to their advantage, until it all backfired.

As I understand it, the DNA results from the hire car did indeed indicate that there was a link to Madeleine's body, or perhaps, contact with her body from Gerry or Kate or both, being present. I believe that hair strands from Madeleine pretty much proved that there was contact with her parents several hours after death.

Sparks, how can that be weighed up with the approach to Cameron? You'd think someone in the higher echelons would politely say to the McCann's 'look... just let it lie'. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 09, 2011, 10:30:PM
God, you think that the JB case is tough, until you start considering this one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: andrea on June 09, 2011, 11:52:PM
God, you think that the JB case is tough, until you start considering this one.






i know shona, i havent ever really studied this case, reading all this i dont think ill bother!! ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 10, 2011, 07:39:AM
For Rochford - Hi end free masons may have more power than the political machine.

There is something in this entire saga that strikes me as some kind of a cover up.

Knowing how some police work, they may have continued to monitor members of the Tapas 9 along with Robert Murat and associates to this very day.

One thing I'm pretty much sure of, everything Kate McCann said and did suggested to me that she knew Madeleine died that night.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 10, 2011, 12:58:PM
For Rochford - Hi end free masons may have more power than the political machine.

There is something in this entire saga that strikes me as some kind of a cover up.

Knowing how some police work, they may have continued to monitor members of the Tapas 9 along with Robert Murat and associates to this very day.

One thing I'm pretty much sure of, everything Kate McCann said and did suggested to me that she knew Madeleine died that night.

Thanks for your view Sparks. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 10, 2011, 07:48:PM

Did Gerry have his priorities right?  Re photo of Madeleine showing the coloboma in her eye:

Quote: Carlos Anjos, Polícia Judiciária: "If that situation had been of an abduction, it would have been terrible for the child. Because if that child were to be sold, or something else... She was as good as... it was her death sentence. That situation, that day, advertising that photo, was simply the death sentence of that child."

Gerry McCann: "We thought it was possible this could hurt her. Her abductor might do something to her eye. But in marketing terms it was a good ploy."

Words fail me.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 10, 2011, 08:26:PM
An excerpt of Jane Tanner's rogatory interview describing the 'abductor':


JT: But, I mean, I think... so the things that I'm happy; that are still in my head... that still stick in my head, is the hair and it was longer... it was sort of longish and, errm... I don't know how to (inaudible)... but each... each... almost the hair was long... the bits of hair were long, so it was long into the neck, you know, sort of in... when people have a number one or whatever at the back and it's shaved; not shaved up, but, you know, sort of layered up, this was more long into the neck, so sort of long, each... each individual hair was long, errm... and dark; it was sort of quite dark and glossy, that sticks in my head. And, sort of... the dark... dark clothes and quite billowy; not billowy clothes but quite baggy, sort of... they seemed, errm... not ill fitting but quite baggy clothes, like... not jeans, but trousers, sort of... not Chinos but not Farrahs either but sort of baggy'ish, sort of, ill fitting more than... And they're the bits that I remember quite vividly, sort of.

?!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 10, 2011, 09:23:PM
WTF?    ???
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 10, 2011, 09:44:PM
An excerpt of Jane Tanner's rogatory interview describing the 'abductor':


JT: But, I mean, I think... so the things that I'm happy; that are still in my head... that still stick in my head, is the hair and it was longer... it was sort of longish and, errm... I don't know how to (inaudible)... but each... each... almost the hair was long... the bits of hair were long, so it was long into the neck, you know, sort of in... when people have a number one or whatever at the back and it's shaved; not shaved up, but, you know, sort of layered up, this was more long into the neck, so sort of long, each... each individual hair was long, errm... and dark; it was sort of quite dark and glossy, that sticks in my head. And, sort of... the dark... dark clothes and quite billowy; not billowy clothes but quite baggy, sort of... they seemed, errm... not ill fitting but quite baggy clothes, like... not jeans, but trousers, sort of... not Chinos but not Farrahs either but sort of baggy'ish, sort of, ill fitting more than... And they're the bits that I remember quite vividly, sort of.


?!

Indeed, complete nonsense from Tanner...and then, she matches this description up to clean cut Robert Murat!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 10, 2011, 10:03:PM
When people lie, they always seem to put in far too much detail.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 10, 2011, 10:46:PM
The results from Eddie and Keela seem to indicate that Madeleine fell to her death off the settee by the window. Both blood and death odour found in same area ( if I am reading the reports correctly ). This would suggest that Madeleine may have died shorty after the McCann's went to the Tapas.

I am still backing a sleep sedative in Madeliene's case and possibly all of the children in the party.

Madeliene still awoke, that is, if she was ever asleep, was drowsy and dizzy, and maybe fell as a result.

This might explain the Tapas 9 'pact'.

Even before the dogs had been alerted from the UK the PJ had come up with the same theory.

Could Kate have discovered Madeliene missing from her bed, then found her body behind the sofa?

I wonder if she may even have confided in someone initially other than Gerry.

A death in these circumstances would have focused attention on all other members of the group and made a mockery of their claims on checking the children. Listening at the door would not have been much use with Madeleine laying dead.

Kate's first words included 'She' gone' and 'We let her down'.

After all the stuff I've covered on this case I'm beginning to believe that it was Kate who found the body.





Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 10, 2011, 10:49:PM
Eddie and Keela, Saprks?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 10, 2011, 10:50:PM
Sorry. Sparks.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 10, 2011, 11:18:PM
I don't think there were any visual checks on Madeleine by anyone until Kate found her dead.

Gerry alludes to going back to use the bathroom, Matt Oldfield only accounts for the twins.

Kate was asked if Madeleine was asleep when she last saw her. That was a very telling question by the interviewer.

At this, Kate struggles with her answer.

I think all the answers everyone needs are there in the cryptic replies from Gerry and Kate throughout the many interviews.

They are having to think very carefully about how they answer. I do not believe this has only come from the briefings by their PR advisors.

Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner may have concocked the smokescreen between them, namely the sickness of their child, and the bogus sighting of the abductor.

Too much seems to be happening around 10pm. Too much centres on O'Brien and Tanner.

And of course, Kate may have given the game away by leaving the twins in their beds with an abductor around.




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: joolz1975 on June 11, 2011, 09:15:AM
Eddie and Keela, Saprks?

Shona eddie & Kiela were the South Yorkshire Police sniffer dogs sent over to help with the investigation, one was highly trained to find even the tiniest speck of blood, the other (think it was Eddie) was a cadaver dog trained to smell the scent of a corpse.

Apparantly the Mcanns car (hired 3 weeks after Madeleines dissapearence) was placed in a line up with other cars and the cadaver dog immediatly went to their car and indicated that the boot had previously had a cadaver in it, in Kate Mcanns book she dismisses this as hte dog been subconciously led to the car by its handler, and the handler himself does admit that the dog sniffing out a scent is not conclusive evidence that a corspe was there it has to be backed up with 'real' evidence!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 11, 2011, 11:45:AM
Sparks,your theory is a good one.But at what stage could Kate have found Maddie dead? Not on the 10pm check because that is when she alerted the tapas group that Maddie was "missing" and they all came running.Surely her body would have been disposed of by then? And Mikes theory (I think) that Maddie was taken down to the beach area is possible,but Im sure sniffer dogs traced Maddies scent to the supermarket,but no further?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 11, 2011, 01:52:PM
Hello Tyler...I still think the 10pm check ( phone call to PJ not until 30 plus minutes later?? ) is possible, death odour only kicks in after about 90 minutes I believe. It's a wild guess - but maybe the body was hidden nearby in the first few minutes - possibly by Kate McCann.

Some believe the body was then being taken somewhere else by a member of the group.

The Carpenter statement is very interesting re. 'Madeleine, Madeleine' - and this around the time she may have been discovered.

I may be way off the mark with my theories, but I would not be looking any further than the Tapas 9 and the cover up of an accidental death.

There seems to be a 30 minute vacuum around 10pm when all the timings were scrambled - surely the PJ would have been contacted a couple of minutes after 10pm if this is when Madeleine was discovered missing.

I also believe Gerry McCann was actually seen tampering with the shutters of Apartment 5a around 10pm.

They certainly only had the McCann's fingerprints on them.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2011, 04:45:PM
Kate and Gerry response to arrival of police at apartment 5a, of Maddie's disappearance?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 11, 2011, 04:47:PM
Kate and Gerry response to arrival of police at apartment 5a, of Maddie's disappearance?

Amarals' book mentions this but I thought it referred to Gerry only.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2011, 05:00:PM
Kate and Gerry response to arrival of police at apartment 5a, of Maddie's disappearance?

Amarals' book mentions this but I thought it referred to Gerry only.
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Gerry at first, followed by Kate, so they both ended up doing this together side by side...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 11, 2011, 05:06:PM
Kate and Gerry response to arrival of police at apartment 5a, of Maddie's disappearance?

Amarals' book mentions this but I thought it referred to Gerry only.
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Gerry at first, followed by Kate, so they both ended up doing this together side by side...

Could be interpreted as an involuntary act of contrition / penance...  A harrowing moment for certain.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 11, 2011, 09:23:PM
I read the image of Gerry and Kate as nothing other than a response to the death of Madeleine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 11, 2011, 09:46:PM
Sorry guys - did Kate and Gerry throw themselves onto the bed? Am I being dim?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on June 11, 2011, 09:46:PM
I don't think there were any visual checks on Madeleine by anyone until Kate found her dead.

Gerry alludes to going back to use the bathroom, Matt Oldfield only accounts for the twins.

Kate was asked if Madeleine was asleep when she last saw her. That was a very telling question by the interviewer.

At this, Kate struggles with her answer.

I think all the answers everyone needs are there in the cryptic replies from Gerry and Kate throughout the many interviews.

They are having to think very carefully about how they answer. I do not believe this has only come from the briefings by their PR advisors.

Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner may have concocked the smokescreen between them, namely the sickness of their child, and the bogus sighting of the abductor.

Too much seems to be happening around 10pm. Too much centres on O'Brien and Tanner.

And of course, Kate may have given the game away by leaving the twins in their beds with an abductor around.

What do you mean "Kate found her dead"? What evidence do you have to support that phrase?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 11, 2011, 11:19:PM
Does anyone know where I can view Carpenters statement? I cant find it on the maddiefiles   :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 12, 2011, 02:07:PM
Does anyone know where I can view Carpenters statement? I cant find it on the maddiefiles   :(




www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk

click on the 'original dvd images' box.
Halfway down it says 'cartas rogatorias'  you want file 3, 31-56
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: andrea on June 12, 2011, 07:59:PM
did kate answer all questions until they made her a suspect? was it then she gave a no comment interview? would that have been on the advice of her solicitor?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 12, 2011, 08:34:PM
did kate answer all questions until they made her a suspect? was it then she gave a no comment interview? would that have been on the advice of her solicitor?

That is an interesting question Andrea.

Here is one that i have my self.  If the McCann's / Tapas 9 do know what really happened: Isn't it remarkable that that they shifted from discovery... to conferring ...to action / reaction... to conferring again... before finally contacting PJ?  Now, several things bother me about this scenario.  What kind of time-frame are we looking at for this to have happened in?  Talk about having to think on your feet!  These people are highly intelligent individuals.  Each must have known from the off, that attempting to fool the police by concocting an alternative sequence of events could fall prey to a thousand pitfalls, under close examination by professional investigators.  Is it possible to create a credible alternative sequence of events in a short time-frame?  If this is what indeed took place between them, then whatever actually happened to Madeleine must have been something that could potentially have had very serious consequences for several of that party of individuals.  Since there does not seem to have been a weak link among any of that party.

Perhaps there were dissenters among them, as the drama unfolded?  But if there were, they must have been brought round with a 'no turning back' type of pact, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: andrea on June 12, 2011, 09:18:PM
hi roch, i havent actually studied this case, i only know the basics so im not in a position to be able to answer your question as i just dont know enough about the whole thing. :)

all i know is ...had them children (who were very young) had adult supervision at ALL times then that little girl would still be here, you just dont leave kids, especially of that age, alone.

half hourly checks just isnt good enough, as poor maddie found out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 12, 2011, 09:29:PM
I don't think there were any visual checks on Madeleine by anyone until Kate found her dead.

Gerry alludes to going back to use the bathroom, Matt Oldfield only accounts for the twins.

Kate was asked if Madeleine was asleep when she last saw her. That was a very telling question by the interviewer.

At this, Kate struggles with her answer.

I think all the answers everyone needs are there in the cryptic replies from Gerry and Kate throughout the many interviews.

They are having to think very carefully about how they answer. I do not believe this has only come from the briefings by their PR advisors.

Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner may have concocked the smokescreen between them, namely the sickness of their child, and the bogus sighting of the abductor.

Too much seems to be happening around 10pm. Too much centres on O'Brien and Tanner.

And of course, Kate may have given the game away by leaving the twins in their beds with an abductor around.

What do you mean "Kate found her dead"? What evidence do you have to support that phrase?

No evidence Bob, but I've read through a mass of interviews by the McCann's - and reading between the lines, they appear to admit (1),  that she died that night, and ( 2 ), that they were not directly responsible for her death.

I'm still going along with the PJ on this - they firmly believe that Madeleine McCann died in Apartment 5a somewhere around 20.30 that night.

My personal contacts in Portugal who have worked on the case also believed Madeleine died around 20.30. They go even further than that, saying that her body was refrigerated for a number of weeks with assistance from members of The Catholic Church. Little wonder that The Pope was cold towards the McCann's.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 13, 2011, 11:09:PM
HMESSEX, thank you for the link that you posted as I didnt know about that site.Had a little trouble trying to translate it as all in portugese until I realised it could be viewed in English also! What am I like ?    :-[
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: newsman on June 13, 2011, 11:16:PM
I received the attached file today via email with a subject of "MADELINE McCANN - don't question - just forward - it only needs one ..."

asking to pass it on to everyone I know, If anyone wants to download the pdf file attached to this and send it on you never know.

All the best.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 17, 2011, 09:18:PM
The one thing that just about everyone in the UK and Portugal seems to agree on - and probably The Pope too, is that Gerry McCann is a ******* ****!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 17, 2011, 10:52:PM
Look on You Tube 'Gerry Mccann is happy'.

Taken few days after Madeleine was 'taken'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sparkfilms on June 18, 2011, 07:56:AM
Look on You Tube 'Gerry Mccann is happy'.

Taken few days after Madeleine was 'taken'.

Thanx - just watched.

McCann is beyond belief. Laughing all the way to the bank I imagine.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 18, 2011, 02:04:PM
Yes,I watched it too.Really bizzare.For anyone that has not seen it,the following is a pretty interesting site    Joana-Morais.blogspot.com
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Tyler on June 18, 2011, 04:43:PM
Mike,wherever you are,I hope that you are feeling well.
Can I ask,regarding the blood spots found on the wall inside the  McCanns apartment,I have read that 7 out of 9 markers matched Maddies Dna.Do you know if this is true?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 18, 2011, 06:01:PM
DNA markers proved blood in the boot of the hire car and a sample from a windowsill in the apartment belonged to Madeleine - 15 markers out of 19. In the UK (where? the system was devised) a person can be convicted on as low as 10, it's just Portuguese law requires all 19, before they can prosecute.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 19, 2011, 01:00:PM
DNA markers proved blood in the boot of the hire car and a sample from a windowsill in the apartment belonged to Madeleine - 15 markers out of 19. In the UK (where? the system was devised) a person can be convicted on as low as 10, it's just Portuguese law requires all 19, before they can prosecute.

Very interesting.  Is this mentioned in 'Truth of the Lie'? Or do you please have another link to any further info?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 19, 2011, 01:08:PM
HMESSEX, thanks for that info.You seem to have studied the case quite in depth.Can you tell me what you think happened with Maddie?Do you think the parents are involved? Obviously alot of people believe she was accidently overdosed by way of sedatives administered by her parents,but cant seem to fathom how that fits with the scenario of her blood being allegdly found up the walls,near the sofa etc.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 21, 2011, 09:08:PM
HMESSEX, thanks for that info.You seem to have studied the case quite in depth.Can you tell me what you think happened with Maddie?Do you think the parents are involved? Obviously alot of people believe she was accidently overdosed by way of sedatives administered by her parents,but cant seem to fathom how that fits with the scenario of her blood being allegdly found up the walls,near the sofa etc.




Hi Tyler, I honestly can't work this out. 

I've been reading about this for couple of years with all the theories out there. The sedation scenario is possibly more likely.  Madeleine was known for waking up and going to her parents room at home, and which she did on holiday.  In one of the Tapas' statements, Fiona says on the night Madeleine disappeared Kate kept checking the twins' breathing, which she thought strange, and Kate didn't allow samples of the twins' hair to be analysed until about three months later.

I try really hard to hope that the parents were not involved, but then I see stuff like the "Gerry is Happy" clip, the fact that the shutters were not jemmied as was stated initially, the dogs' evidence, the silly timelines written (twice) on the night, Jane Tanners' laughable descriptions of an abductor, the publication of the photo of her eye which they were advised not to do, barring the fact that this was when she was much younger and they now say was just a fleck, the parents asking for a priest on the night she disappeared, and the priest at the church in PDL where they had keys saying he was deceived.  I could go on.....

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 22, 2011, 06:02:AM
Thanks for your thoughts on the case.I dont know if you have read Kates book,but she states in it that even she feels that Maddie and the twins had been drugged.But by an abductor.That is interesting because by stating this,if it could ever be proved,she has in effect,shifted the blame.Maybe that is as near to a confession that we are ever going to get!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 22, 2011, 06:05:AM
Oh,and she writes that whenever she returns to Portugal,she always goes and sits by those rocks at that remote part of the beach.Those same rocks that she kept going off to after Maddie went missing.I think that is rather significant.I will have to ask Mike if that is anywhere near that drain that he is so suspicious about.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: karen on June 22, 2011, 01:07:PM
Not to mention the statements from the Gaspars, Fenn and Smiths. Pat Perkins phone call on the night. Tapas 7's insistence on Murat's guilt and refusal to take part in a reconstruction. Gerry deleting his text messages.

Either the Tapas 7 are colluding and lying or everyone else (including Eddie and Keela) are colluding and lying.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 22, 2011, 01:43:PM
when I was in Portugal, locals were discussing a number of sightings of a man acting oddly on wastland, near the 'Jesus statue' close to the apartment from where Maddie went missing - iocal rumours suggest that this man, was non other than Gerry McCann. He was seen acting suspiciously in that vicinity on the night Maddie went missing, and according to local gossip, he was seen hanging around there on several occasions, at different times, mostly when it was dark...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jerry on June 23, 2011, 08:33:AM
I didn't know you spoke Portuguese Mike?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 23, 2011, 11:44:AM
I've been watching whatever I could find on Youtube, and I get the overwhelming impression that Kate is intimidated by, perhaps even frightened of Gerry.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 23, 2011, 05:46:PM
Not to mention the statements from the Gaspars, Fenn and Smiths. Pat Perkins phone call on the night. Tapas 7's insistence on Murat's guilt and refusal to take part in a reconstruction. Gerry deleting his text messages.

Either the Tapas 7 are colluding and lying or everyone else (including Eddie and Keela) are colluding and lying.

Karen I haven't read Kate's book and not sure I will.  I'm pretty sure Amaral, Eddie & Keela will have solved the likelihood of Maddie having died with the knowledge of parent/s and friends.  Then there's people like Mike Tesco and Sparkfilms who have looked fairly close in to this also.  I dont really see anything from investigative / journo types who are pro-McCann / pro-abduction.  Maybe I should read Kate's book though, to get her version?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 23, 2011, 10:16:PM
I've been watching whatever I could find on Youtube, and I get the overwhelming impression that Kate is intimidated by, perhaps even frightened of Gerry.

I got that impression too Shona.Especially from the clip where Gerry doesnt like the question put to him,rips off his mic and storms off.Kate looks really uncomfortable and shaken.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 23, 2011, 11:31:PM
That's the one that did it for me, Tyler!! Kate made some lame, worried excuse about Gerry being too hot. She looked tense and closed-down, like she was used to apologising for him. That fixed expression on her face - sorry to sound wanky but that's how horses look like when they are genuinely frightened.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: smiffy on June 24, 2011, 07:38:AM
I , too, have seen that video in which Gerry reacts.
Very telling ...but on its own ...not enough to convince me of guilt...but when the rest of the available evidence is considered.....its not innocent!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 24, 2011, 07:46:AM
Smiffy,Shona commented on how Kate seems a little intimidated and even frightened of Gerry,especially in that video clip.He definately seems to be the one "wearing the trousers" in that relationship dont you think?I get the impression with the whole case,that Kate seems to be suffering from grief,and Gerry from guilt.Does he know something that she doesnt? Or does she know and is too frightened of him to reveal the truth and is burying her head in the sand?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 24, 2011, 05:33:PM
Smiffy,Shona commented on how Kate seems a little intimidated and even frightened of Gerry,especially in that video clip.He definately seems to be the one "wearing the trousers" in that relationship dont you think?I get the impression with the whole case,that Kate seems to be suffering from grief,and Gerry from guilt.Does he know something that she doesnt? Or does she know and is too frightened of him to reveal the truth and is burying her head in the sand?

I am still drawn back to their approach though.  For them to exisit in the situation you have suggested above would imply that there is a game of concealment going on.  I am of this belief as well.

But how on earth could they have the gall to play this out to the extent where they're writing letters to Dave Cameron and pushing for Scotland Yard to reopen the investigation?  That kind of bluffing game could only be persued by a person or persons of immense self belief.  Like some kind of narcissitic 'superior' mind?  A person or persons who believe that their best interests lie not in remaining quiet and low profile... but in taking on people at the highest level and upping the stakes?  Pitting themselves against Prime Ministers and detectives?  It's all a bit odd... (if they do know what happened).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: clifford on June 24, 2011, 05:46:PM
Smiffy,Shona commented on how Kate seems a little intimidated and even frightened of Gerry,especially in that video clip.He definately seems to be the one "wearing the trousers" in that relationship dont you think?I get the impression with the whole case,that Kate seems to be suffering from grief,and Gerry from guilt.Does he know something that she doesnt? Or does she know and is too frightened of him to reveal the truth and is burying her head in the sand?

I am still drawn back to their approach though.  For them to exisit in the situation you have suggested above would imply that there is a game of concealment going on.  I am of this belief as well.

But how on earth could they have the gall to play this out to the extent where they're writing letters to Dave Cameron and pushing for Scotland Yard to reopen the investigation?  That kind of bluffing game could only be persued by a person or persons of immense self belief.  Like some kind of narcissitic 'superior' mind?  A person or persons who believe that their best interests lie not in remaining quiet and low profile... but in taking on people at the highest level and upping the stakes?  Pitting themselves against Prime Ministers and detectives?  It's all a bit odd... (if they do know what happened).
This really is a strange case. Thousands of kids must have been to this resort with no problems.
I would have thought that many would have left there children thinking they were safe, after all they were not far away.
Something is not right here. there is a saying that goes you protest to much.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 24, 2011, 08:30:PM
Smiffy,Shona commented on how Kate seems a little intimidated and even frightened of Gerry,especially in that video clip.He definately seems to be the one "wearing the trousers" in that relationship dont you think?I get the impression with the whole case,that Kate seems to be suffering from grief,and Gerry from guilt.Does he know something that she doesnt? Or does she know and is too frightened of him to reveal the truth and is burying her head in the sand?




I wonder if this is all part of an act.  Ok, Kate wasn't expecting him to walk out like that and looked bewildered, but as we are onto video clips, how about the one 'The McCanns show their true colours - MUST SEE'.  Kate has her sad face, whilst clutching Gerry's hand, and as usual he does most of the talking, but as soon as the interview is over they are both all smiley.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 24, 2011, 08:49:PM
Smiffy,Shona commented on how Kate seems a little intimidated and even frightened of Gerry,especially in that video clip.He definately seems to be the one "wearing the trousers" in that relationship dont you think?I get the impression with the whole case,that Kate seems to be suffering from grief,and Gerry from guilt.Does he know something that she doesnt? Or does she know and is too frightened of him to reveal the truth and is burying her head in the sand?

I am still drawn back to their approach though.  For them to exisit in the situation you have suggested above would imply that there is a game of concealment going on.  I am of this belief as well.

But how on earth could they have the gall to play this out to the extent where they're writing letters to Dave Cameron and pushing for Scotland Yard to reopen the investigation?  That kind of bluffing game could only be persued by a person or persons of immense self belief.  Like some kind of narcissitic 'superior' mind?  A person or persons who believe that their best interests lie not in remaining quiet and low profile... but in taking on people at the highest level and upping the stakes?  Pitting themselves against Prime Ministers and detectives?  It's all a bit odd... (if they do know what happened).




Rochy, it's interesting that you suggest narcissism as this aspect (of Gerry especially), has been brought up quite a lot in forums regarding this.  Amongst some of the comments is one by Pat Brown, Criminal Profiler, on the 'McCannfiles.com'.

I reckon Gerry sees himself as some kind of celebrity.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: karen on June 24, 2011, 11:11:PM
It is a strange stategy they've employed, letters to Cameron etc. but it is a strategy that has paid off.

Whenever I express my doubts about the McCann version, people will inevitably say, "oh, but they've pushed to get the investigation reopened so they must be innocent".

Remember way back at the start when they were hobnobbing with Gordon Brown and the Pope? When they were made arguido, if they'd been arrested, big embarassment for those VIPs who supported them.

Throw into that Gerry's "ask the dogs" and "find the body" comments. He can say these things because he knows he's got away with it. Narcissism.

Notice the correlations with the Lindbergh baby?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 25, 2011, 09:45:AM
Not to mention the statements from the Gaspars, Fenn and Smiths. Pat Perkins phone call on the night. Tapas 7's insistence on Murat's guilt and refusal to take part in a reconstruction. Gerry deleting his text messages.
Either the Tapas 7 are colluding and lying or everyone else (including Eddie and Keela) are colluding and lying.

Deleted text messages can be retrieved can't they?  There is software for this I think.  I wonder whether this was considered by the PJ?  We all delete text messages of course, at some point.  But deleting text messages in the aftermath of Maddie's disappearence?  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 25, 2011, 10:32:AM
In the pic Mike posted,further back in the thread,(Gerry & Kate kneeling on the bed) it looks to me like Gerry is wearing beige coloured trousers.He had stated that he was wearing jeans,but didnt state what colour (unless I missed it).As we know,jeans are avaliable in all colours and are not always denim.Some are lightweight cotton style which I can imagine are cooler to wear in hot countries.Does anyone else think it looks as though he is wearing beige coloured trousers?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 25, 2011, 10:38:AM
In the pic Mike posted,further back in the thread,(Gerry & Kate kneeling on the bed) it looks to me like Gerry is wearing beige coloured trousers.He had stated that he was wearing jeans,but didnt state what colour (unless I missed it).As we know,jeans are avaliable in all colours and are not always denim.Some are lightweight cotton style which I can imagine are cooler to wear in hot countries.Does anyone else think it looks as though he is wearing beige coloured trousers?

I thought that pic was a reconstruction?  ???
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 25, 2011, 12:52:PM
In the pic Mike posted,further back in the thread,(Gerry & Kate kneeling on the bed) it looks to me like Gerry is wearing beige coloured trousers.He had stated that he was wearing jeans,but didnt state what colour (unless I missed it).As we know,jeans are avaliable in all colours and are not always denim.Some are lightweight cotton style which I can imagine are cooler to wear in hot countries.Does anyone else think it looks as though he is wearing beige coloured trousers?

I thought that pic was a reconstruction?  ???
Is it? omg,how thick am I   :-[
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 25, 2011, 12:57:PM
In the pic Mike posted,further back in the thread,(Gerry & Kate kneeling on the bed) it looks to me like Gerry is wearing beige coloured trousers.He had stated that he was wearing jeans,but didnt state what colour (unless I missed it).As we know,jeans are avaliable in all colours and are not always denim.Some are lightweight cotton style which I can imagine are cooler to wear in hot countries.Does anyone else think it looks as though he is wearing beige coloured trousers?

I thought that pic was a reconstruction?  ???
Is it? omg,how thick am I   :-[

Wonder who the models were?  The couple from next balcony along to Mike's?   ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 25, 2011, 01:10:PM
ha ha  ;D

looked at the photos of items of clothing that the pj removed from McCanns apartment,but did not see any mens trousers at all, only what looked like tennis shorts.Im sure Gerry wouldnt have gone out to dinner in those   :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 25, 2011, 10:28:PM
Please visit following link address:-

(1) http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: shonapugs on June 29, 2011, 09:51:PM
I wonder if the McCanns will give it, say, five years of media profile, knowing her poor little body went out to sea, then quietly let it all fade away and get on with their lives?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 30, 2011, 12:08:PM
i still cant believe the mcanns had anything to do with it.

i dont believe they could have done that and got away with it with the entire world watching them.

how would a tourist know where to dispose of body.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: karen on July 01, 2011, 11:53:AM
Sure, it's hard to believe. I struggle myself sometimes.

However, if they had nothing to with it, why would they be so obstructive and uncooperative with the investigation?

The McCanns and the Tapas gang were happy to assist the police when pointing the finger at Murat, the PJ only became incompetent, lazy and shoddy once the McCanns were suspected.

The media frenzy was not immediate, in the early days Kate and Gerry carried on jogging etc. and apart from a pre-arranged stroll-with-the-twins-in-pushchair photocall, usually in the afternoon, the media kept a respectful distance from the anguished parents.

The entire world was not watching and when they were being observed, well........lugging around hold-alls that they later denied owning, dumping fridges, leaving the car boot open overnight (same car boot alerted to by dogs) etc. etc.

Washing cuddle cat? The last thing your daughter cuddled? Her clothes? Losing her scent forever, why?

If your child had been abducted and you were told cadaver dogs had reacted to the apartment , car etc.
Would you say, "OMG, does that mean she could be dead?' or would you start dismissing the dogs, talking about rotten meat and dirty nappies being transported in the car and claiming to have been in contact with several dead patients the week before in your capacity as GP six hours a week?

If they had nothing to do with it why not answer the PJ's questions? She's just written a book and she didn't answer them in that either.

I know Amaral's theory sounds fanciful and far fetched but if he's wrong and they know nothing, why all the lies? Riddle me this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2011, 03:36:PM
Jesus Statue, situated at top of road / junction from apartment block where "Maddie went missing"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on August 02, 2011, 02:36:PM
SteelMagnolia blog on McCann case:

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on September 20, 2011, 01:12:PM
Mike - any news from your recent trip to Portugal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2011, 06:11:PM
Mike - any news from your recent trip to Portugal?
Police still not searched grounds of derelict building

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2011, 09:58:PM
Makes you wonder if police do not want to find body of Maddie - they haven't been looking hard enough...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 29, 2011, 08:51:PM
Photographs taken by Mike Teskowski in PDL:-

Please visit following link:-

(1) http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2011, 10:37:PM
Maddie experiments:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2011, 06:55:AM
Last known photograph taken of Maddie, showing fake tan on her right arm, and what appear to be bruising?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 28, 2011, 07:25:AM
Last known photograph taken of Maddie, showing fake tan on her right arm, and what appear to be bruising?

Yes,you're right,Id never noticed that before Ah,the plot thickens!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on February 05, 2012, 05:48:PM
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/300185/Tapas-7-will-help-Madeleine-McCann-detectives
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on February 05, 2012, 09:06:PM
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/300185/Tapas-7-will-help-Madeleine-McCann-detectives




Comparing these new statements with their previous statements, especially Jane Tanner's rogartory one should be a hoot!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lonny on March 06, 2012, 03:26:PM
Why would anybody be swayed either way by a lie detector test? They are notoriously unreliable and are not admissible in court - at least not in a UK court. I'm afraid I get annoyed when anybody mentions them as though they add some form of "scientific" evidence to a case one way or another - they don't, and are therefore best ignored completely.

I would say they as reliable on a jury.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2012, 01:09:PM
I don't think Kate and Gerry had anything to do with the disappearance of Madeleine. The only thing they were guilty of is leaving their children 50 yards away in a holiday apartment.

The time Madeleine went missing was between 9:35 and 10pm.....

Two witnessed say, sorry 9 witnessed say they saw a man carrying a child round the time Madeleine went missing. All witnesses described a similar man and child....

One witness reported a man going east and the other witness in the south west of PLD
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2012, 01:22:PM
they have lardgly been accused on the word of 1 bent cop.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2012, 01:27:PM
Please don't mention Amaral to me....He made his money, he saw an avenue. He was disgracefully sacked because of his handling of another child that had disappeared...and the beating of that child's mother, whom Amaral accused her of murdering her own daughter...

5 missing children in that area over 7 years......:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2012, 02:06:PM
sounds like a pattern to me and you cant blame the McCain for the other disappearances
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2012, 02:21:PM
Child trafficking in Europe is rife, especially in Europe.  I have many theories of what happened that night
and also a good suspicion of who could have taken her......even to the point of getting her out of PDL

There were that many leads in this case that were never followed up....

I believe the abduction theory....and wont ever budge on it.. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2012, 03:29:PM
funny how this policeman wants to accuse the parents every time a cynical person might think he had a vested interest in not catching the real culprits.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2012, 03:55:PM
The guy was wining and dining when he was informed. He sent two traffic cops at 11pm and the PJ did not arrive till 1am. He himself did not attend the scene until 7am...By then the apartment had been invaded by everyone.....He was disgraced and sacked in the end.

Then he decided to write a book...telling the world he could prove that Kate and Gerry killed their daughter...

Some copper......He could prove it when sacked, but had no idea how to investigate when he was in charge....likely story....lol
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2012, 04:06:PM
so you must really asked why he faliad to prove it when he had to th power to do something about it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 20, 2012, 04:32:PM
THE MADDIE FILES
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2012, 04:43:PM
Mike I do believe that some M files to be one sided and not trusted sites.....

I used one that was not biased either way.......

No matter who throws what at me, I strongly believe she was abducted.

:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2012, 04:48:PM
5 kids go missing in the same area over 7 years is that likely to be a coincidence
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2012, 05:23:PM
Hi Nunug

within 30 miles....I don't mean in the resort....:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2012, 05:43:PM
even so i don't think its that likely to be a coincidence.

if you apply the same radius how many kids go missing without trace over the same period of time.

in the uk i only know of one case in the last 10 or so years of a young kid going missing without trace and that's in the entire country

now Portugal has one fifth of population of the uk
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on April 26, 2012, 08:18:PM
According to news reports the Portuguese police are refusing to re-open the case of Madeleine, despite the current investigation by Scotland Yard. Or is it because of this?

Whatever peoples' views on this case there could have been some interesting developments.

I think this is a case where diplomacy ought to play a big part - from the offset the Portuguese were derided in the British press calling them, amongst other things, 'sardine munchers' etc.  This Lusophobic reporting did nothing to aid the finding of Madeleine. They were, naturally, affronted by this.

In the Panorama programme the PJ were still criticised for their poor policing and contamination of the apartment even though this happened before the police had arrived (their friends running into the flat etc). (As this is a JB forum the same criticisms are equally applied to EP.)

My view is if you want to work with forces of other countries don't go critising them on national TV as they will have seen the programme as they have satellite tv over there too!

As an aside, Dr. Amaral was not sacked.  He was promoted then he retired.  He wrote his book to outline the then/now Portuguese findings on the case and to answer his critics.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 26, 2012, 10:30:PM
Hi HMEssex

I am sure Amaral was fired for the bad handling of Joana Morais case.  My views on Amaral are ...you wouldn't want to know...lol

It's sad that Scotland Yard releases a new photo based on Madeleine being 9 years old.  And, said they had 195 new leads that were never followed up on....Then the announcement today that the PJ won't open the case....

Two bits of bad news on the same day....:)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on April 27, 2012, 09:51:AM
Hi HMEssex

I am sure Amaral was fired for the bad handling of Joana Morais case.  My views on Amaral are ...you wouldn't want to know...lol

It's sad that Scotland Yard releases a new photo based on Madeleine being 9 years old.  And, said they had 195 new leads that were never followed up on....Then the announcement today that the PJ won't open the case....

Two bits of bad news on the same day....:)





Joana?  Surely, you mean Madeleine?!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 27, 2012, 10:43:AM




Joana?  Surely, you mean Madeleine?!

Hi There.

No, I mean Joana Cipriiano was a little Portuguese girl that went missing prior to Madeleine. Amaral was in charge of the case. He blamed the child's mother for her murder. The mother was beaten up badly and the pictures of her badly bruised face, hit the newspapers when Madeleine went missing. He was held responsible for her beating and was fired by the PJ. :)

Within a radios of 20 miles from PLD 5 children had gone missing in 7 years. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2012, 10:18:PM
I am convinced that Maddie was taken to the derelict building opposite the church and her body disposed of there. A single mattress and clothing found inside the building should have been seized and examined for DNA to help prove what actually happened to her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2012, 10:21:PM
I am convinced that Maddie was taken to the derelict building opposite the church and her body disposed of there. A single mattress and clothing found inside the building should have been seized and examined for DNA to help prove what actually happened to her...

When I visited the premises in 2009 I had a very strong feeling that the building in question was haunted by Maddies presence....

The building and gardens need to be thoroughly searched for clues...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2012, 10:23:PM
I think that if the aforementioned premises and garden are searched properly that it will yield positive results that Maddie was took there, and that her remains are possibly still there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2012, 10:28:PM
The premises and garden in question is accessible from the front of the building which is situated across from the church which became a favourite haunt of the McCann parents, and access can also be gained via a small wall next to a pub veranda. Access to a set of concrete steps leads down to the seashore next to the pub, and would have provided sufficient cover for anyone taking Maddie into the building on the night she went missing...

The clothing I photographed could provide vital clues to the identity of the person who took Maddie from apartment 5A that evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 30, 2012, 10:29:PM
Hi Mike

I have the idea that Malinka took Madeleine. He worked in travel and real estate. He was the one that had his car torched and the words. "Tell the truth" were written on the floor.

He wiped his hard drive before the police questioned him. Also on his other computer they found porn and bestiality. He had 3 alias, 3 different passports.

He was in charge of a yacht that left Logas in the early hours that night for Portomao.
The Smith's sighted a man similar to Jane Tanner, heading south west of PDL. Malinka lived round the corner with his mother. He also denied making two calls to Murat that night.

The list is long, but nothing was done by the PJ...no follow up were ever made. Malinka was in the UK the last I heard....

I don't rule of the derelict building was used.....maybe she was taken there prior to being picked up.....:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2012, 10:36:PM
Hi Mike

I have the idea that Malinka took Madeleine. He worked in travel and real estate. He was the one that had his car torched and the words. "Tell the truth" were written on the floor.

He wiped his hard drive before the police questioned him. Also on his other computer they found porn and bestiality. He had 3 alias, 3 different passports.

He was in charge of a yacht that left Logas in the early hours that night for Portomao.
The Smith's sighted a man similar to Jane Tanner, heading south west of PDL. Malinka lived round the corner with his mother. He also denied making two calls to Murat that night.

The list is long, but nothing was done by the PJ...no follow up were ever made. Malinka was in the UK the last I heard....

I don't rule of the derelict building was used.....maybe she was taken there prior to being picked up.....:)

I only spent an hour inside that derelict building, but I got very strong feelings that Maddie had been, was there. I found some clothing which I think belonged to the perpetrator which I took pictures of, and of course there was the mattress, a single one on the floor in a room at the front of the derelict building which looked out towards the church. I found and photographed the tube of insecticide which has linked to the image of a masked man carrying a female in his arms using the same grip as described by Jane tanner at the time of the alleged sighting of the man carrying off the child at the back of the apartment or at least in that vicinity...

I sent a report and photographs I took to the Portuguese police but they closed the case and took no action as far as I know...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on May 01, 2012, 12:54:AM
Hi Mike

I have the idea that Malinka took Madeleine. He worked in travel and real estate. He was the one that had his car torched and the words. "Tell the truth" were written on the floor.

He wiped his hard drive before the police questioned him. Also on his other computer they found porn and bestiality. He had 3 alias, 3 different passports.

He was in charge of a yacht that left Logas in the early hours that night for Portomao.
The Smith's sighted a man similar to Jane Tanner, heading south west of PDL. Malinka lived round the corner with his mother. He also denied making two calls to Murat that night.

The list is long, but nothing was done by the PJ...no follow up were ever made. Malinka was in the UK the last I heard....

I don't rule of the derelict building was used.....maybe she was taken there prior to being picked up.....:)
Was Malinka the dutchman? I too feel that he is involved somehow.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 01, 2012, 01:04:AM
Hi Tyler I think he had 3 nationalities one being Russian and I think he also had a Dutch passport as well as a Spanish one. :)

I'm not saying it was him, but I find he actions rather strange and the more you find out about him, the more suspicious he becomes....It's all good fun...lol :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2012, 01:26:AM
what he want 3 passports for.

he was up to something.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 01, 2012, 01:32:AM
what he want 3 passports for.

he was up to something.

Hi nunnug, he also used 3 different names, I will find the links tomorrow...I'm dead beat....Goodnight...:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2012, 05:15:PM
there certainly seems to have been certain  people who had a vested interest in pointing the finger at the mcanns.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 04, 2012, 05:39:PM
Hi There, sorry for not posting the links on Malinka, I forgot. It's been a while since I did anything on Madeleine....

There are various sites on the net, some pro some against....a lot of false information too.  :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2012, 07:46:PM
there seems to be a lot of false information and i wonder if that's a coincidence or not
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 12, 2012, 10:24:PM
Here is a link to Gery McCanns blog where amongst many other things are shown photographs taken by me during my visit to Portugal:-

(1) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PHOTOGRAPHS.htm
(2) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 12, 2012, 10:32:PM
Mike I have got that site in my favourites. It is a trusted site and so full of information....Are you from Sheffield Mike? :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 07:03:AM
In this link are short video reconstructions, connected with the case, including sightings of a suspect who was loitering around the apartment block from where Maddie eventually went missing, described by these witnesses as wearing blue denim jeans, a yellow top and or a black coloured jacket:-

(1) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/RECONSTRUCTIONS.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 07:56:AM
Witness reports seeing a suspect hanging around in the immediate vicinity of Apartment 5A, on Friday, 30th May 2007 at 8:15am, and 2nd May, 2007 at 12:25pm:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: indeed on May 13, 2012, 03:29:PM
i feel sorry for Mike lol he flew all the way over there and found nothing now keeps spamming a bunch of irrelevant pictures of an abandoned building which no one cares about and the police obviously checked... not even that but he claims he found where the body is buried... but instead of digging it up and closing this case he flies home and posts pictures of insecticide bottles. haha.  and even worse, he thinks the ad is relevant becuase it has a picture of jason from friday the 13th carrying a woman.... yea the mccans bought some insecticide to stop bugs eating a body that they wanted to get rid of anyway, that makes sense, and they chose a brand of insecticide based on the tv ads... get a life mate
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ngb1066 on May 13, 2012, 03:43:PM
  indeed - in accordance with forum rules please introduce yourself in the forum before making further posts.  Thank you for your cooperation.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 13, 2012, 03:48:PM
where abouts

Foyer section, as per pm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 05:12:PM
You will all be gobsmacked when the truth comes out:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 05:18:PM
For everyone's information the derelict building and its ground situated across the way from the church was not and has not been searched properly - show me the search records from the Portuguese files which prove otherwise?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 06:57:PM
I took extensive photographs in the grounds of the derelict building situated across the way from the church at PDL, and it should be obvious to anyone and everyone that it would have taken a mammoth task for the police to have searched this area properly...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 13, 2012, 07:04:PM
Mike I don't think they searched anywhere much....after 24 hours they gave up.  Some of the Warner staff left the Country. There was never a door to door enquiry made. Hardly any leads where followed up on. They made aguido's of those that were innocent. The list is endless....:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 07:07:PM
For everyone's information the derelict building and its ground situated across the way from the church was not and has not been searched properly - show me the search records from the Portuguese files which prove otherwise?

There were several other derelict buildings within half a mile of the one I photographed, which the police also failed to search or investigate, as well as vast expanses of wasteland and coastline...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 07:17:PM
Please visit following link address to view relevant images from the security camera's at Paraiso Restaurant/Bar:-

(1) - http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic7739.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 13, 2012, 07:39:PM
Mike is that all of the photographs in that section? Oddly enough, I have seen them loads of times, but on this occasion I have noticed something rather odd....

Look at the timing of the photographs. Then look beyond the boundary of the cafe, it looks like a fence....You seen the same man in most of the shots.  Lol i'm on the wine...hahahahah
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 08:53:PM
Route to and from the paraiso restuarant on the far side of the beach, brought the McCanns and thier children within striking distance of the predators lair inside the derelect building across the way from the church at PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 09:06:PM
Route to and from the paraiso restuarant on the far side of the beach, brought the McCanns and thier children within striking distance of the predators lair inside the derelect building across the way from the church at PDL...

It was a relatively simple task to follow them back to apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 09:15:PM
It was a relatively simple task to follow them back to apartment 5A...

on the evening before Maddies disappearance, the predator noted how the parents left thier children alone back in apartment 5A whilst they ate and drank in the tapas bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2012, 09:19:PM
on the evening before Maddies disappearance, the predator noted how the parents left thier children alone back in apartment 5A whilst they ate and drank in the tapas bar...

There were several vantage places from which the predator was able to observe them, whilst the parents ate and drank at the tapas bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2012, 09:54:PM
Recent ghostly image of Maddie McCann:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2012, 02:01:PM
Heavens / Hells gate...

I have recently taken some very astonishing photograhs which purport to show images of MAddie, and those involved in her disappearence / death...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2012, 02:55:PM
A voice calls out "Come and get me, Mr Mike, don't let them forget where I  am, make them come and find me, Mr Mike, I am here, make them come for me, please"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on May 30, 2012, 03:47:PM
...

I hope they find this girl seen - but as each year goes on the chances of her being found alive grow slimmer than I can even consider. But if a child is alive and not found within the first found years .....once that child grows up there is a good chance they will help themselves once they are of age.

I have a small son and if anyone took him like this - I couldn't live. The diea of going on and on each day without knowing where he is or if he is hurt would actually kill me, I would have shot myself years back.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 30, 2012, 03:52:PM
...

I hope they find this girl seen - but as each year goes on the chances of her being found alive grow slimmer than I can even consider. But if a child is alive and not found within the first found years .....once that child grows up there is a good chance they will help themselves once they are of age.

I have a small son and if anyone took him like this - I couldn't live. The diea of going on and on each day without knowing where he is or if he is hurt would actually kill me, I would have shot myself years back.
I do agree mat, I really don't know how the McCanns bare it, except they have 2 other children so really must feel they have no choice.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on May 30, 2012, 03:58:PM
Hi Maggie  I suppose the McCanns will never forgive themselves for leaving her alone.  Do you remember the Ben Needham case he was taken from outside his Grandparents home think it was Rhodes he was about three will be well over 20 now.  very sad for a parent to loose a child this way as there is no closure.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 30, 2012, 04:11:PM
Hi Maggie  I suppose the McCanns will never forgive themselves for leaving her alone.  Do you remember the Ben Needham case he was taken from outside his Grandparents home think it was Rhodes he was about three will be well over 20 now.  very sad for a parent to loose a child this way as there is no closure.
So true susie, I remember Ben Needham, there are many, many children who simply disappear that we don't hear about, it must be a never ending nightmare for the parents.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:PM
Hi Maggie  I remember Ben Needham case as they came from Sheffield or somewhere in Yorkshire parents finished up getting divorced because of the strain of it and the Mother got no help from anyone and she is still looking for him. so so sad.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 30, 2012, 08:53:PM
...

I hope they find this girl seen - but as each year goes on the chances of her being found alive grow slimmer than I can even consider. But if a child is alive and not found within the first found years .....once that child grows up there is a good chance they will help themselves once they are of age.

I have a small son and if anyone took him like this - I couldn't live. The diea of going on and on each day without knowing where he is or if he is hurt would actually kill me, I would have shot myself years back.

The sooner police did this area up the quicker this case can be put to bed, so to speak...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on May 30, 2012, 10:41:PM
You think Maddie is buried there?

Just a word of warning, pal. Be careful - if someone reads that, sees the pictures and sees that you're saying you know Maddie is buried there..........
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2012, 02:21:PM
You think Maddie is buried there?

Just a word of warning, pal. Be careful - if someone reads that, sees the pictures and sees that you're saying you know Maddie is buried there..........

I feel 100% certain that the remains of Maddie McCann will be found in the area shown, and until someone goes there and digs it up, nothing anyone can say or do will make me think otherwise. The voice of Maddie, calls out to me, pleading with me to get them to come for her, She refers to me as Mr Mike, and urges me not to forget where she is, and all I am doing is trying to bring this matter towards an overdue conclusion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on May 31, 2012, 05:07:PM
Have you shared this information with the current SY team working the case? Do you want/need their contact information where you can submit your feelings/beliefs anonymously.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2012, 07:30:PM
Madeleine 's remains will be found in  these grounds of the derelict building, across the street from the church at Pria de Luz :-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2012, 08:27:PM
There are too many secondary residual images around the face image of Maddie, for this not to be a site of some significance...

These secondary residual images are usually found in places or locations where a murderess act, or some form of gratuitous violence has occurred or taken place - in this case what I believe to have been the killing of Maddie and disposal of her body by the perpetrators...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2012, 08:36:PM
At one stage the PP were trying to identify a long haired haggard looking man who was seen carrying off a small child in his arms - similar to one of the secondary residual images filmed at the site where body of victim is believed to have been buried:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 31, 2012, 08:59:PM
Now take a look at this secondary residual image photographed at the site where the remains of Maddie are likely to be found, there appears to be a multiple overlay of different images emerging one or more out of the others:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2012, 06:29:AM
Here are some examples of secondary visual trace evidence found in one of the photographs taken in Portugal in connection with the case of the missing "Maddie" McCann:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2012, 07:08:AM
Here is another example of secondary visual trace evidence shown in a photograph taken in Barcelona of self:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2012, 09:38:PM
Having read Jane Tanners account about the type of clothing worn by the person who was seen carrying off the child at the top of the road junction, I am not convinced that the man in  question was wearing beige coloured trousers, since denim jeans in the kind of street lighting in that area, tend to look beige in colour because of the lighting there. I know this to be true because when I visited the same spot I was able to observe a number of different people walking in that area when it was dark who wore jeans which looked beige in colour because of the street lighting having such an effect...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2012, 10:02:PM
If Jane Tanner saw the abductor carrying off Maddie, this would have had to have occurred before 9:30pm, and would throw doubt over the claim made by another member of the tapas group who said they had gone to Apartment 5A at about 9:30pm, reporting back to the McCanns that all was quiet back at the apartment, since abductor would already have taken Maddie before such an additional check...

I am finding it hard to make any sense out of these accounts?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on June 02, 2012, 11:09:PM
If Jane Tanner saw the abductor carrying off Maddie, this would have had to have occurred before 9:30pm, and would throw doubt over the claim made by another member of the tapas group who said they had gone to Apartment 5A at about 9:30pm, reporting back to the McCanns that all was quiet back at the apartment, since abductor would already have taken Maddie before such an additional check...

I am finding it hard to make any sense out of these accounts?




If you read the transcripts of Jane Tanner's statements, it throws doubt on everything the Tapas Group said happened.

You're right, her 'account' makes no sense. 

DP's statement is equally non-sensical - so scary he's a doctor!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 02, 2012, 11:37:PM



If you read the transcripts of Jane Tanner's statements, it throws doubt on everything the Tapas Group said happened.

You're right, her 'account' makes no sense. 

DP's statement is equally non-sensical - so scary he's a doctor!

Oddly enough, Jane Tanner was not at the tapas bar when Kate went back to apartment 5A to check on the children, Tanner was away at her own apartment looking after her own sick child...

Absence from the tapas bar, of Jane Tanner and Kate McCann at about the time Maddie was reported as missing, could prove to be ominous? Especially because Jane Tanner and Gerry McCann were both away from the tapas bar around the time of the alleged sighting of the man carrying a child in his arms at the top of the road junction?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 03, 2012, 03:04:PM


"Searches were carried out in the region. The spanish authorities were warned, the borders were controled. "THE LARGEST SEARCH OPERATION EVER TO BE CARRIED OUT IN PORTUGAL WAS ORGANISED. During several days, hundreds of militaries from the GNR,firemen, volunteers and members of the policia judiciaria, THOROUGHLY searched over 200 square kilometers, a GIGANTIC search operation. No search in Portugal had ever included such means and so many people. Everything is checked, and checked again, borders are watched, all vehicles are searched. The child does not appear.


there's News footage out there of the area you are taking pictures of being thoroughly searched by professionals.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Nuala on June 03, 2012, 03:13:PM
Free Willie Gage, please go to the Foyer and introduce yourself, forum rules require you to do so prior to posting. Also, please avoid goading, it is not a good idea for newbies to goad, it's an even worse idea to goad the forum owner as you are doing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on June 03, 2012, 03:20:PM
Chochok eira he is totally out of order talking about the owner of the site in such a manner.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 03, 2012, 03:21:PM
I used to lean towards Amaral in this case.  Now I haven't got a clue and am nearer 50/50.  I just cant see how the McCanns could pull off a bluff of this magnitude. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 03:23:PM
Chochok eira he is totally out of order talking about the owner of the site in such a manner.

Maybe willie is just shocked and astonished.

Maddie is an emotive subject.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 03, 2012, 03:26:PM
Maybe willie is just shocked and astonished.


Disgusted more like
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 03:29:PM

Disgusted more like

Or that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: FreeWillieGage on June 03, 2012, 03:31:PM
editted my post may have let my emotions get the better of me when sending it. no need for trying to insult people personally.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on June 03, 2012, 03:33:PM
Hi Bridget  I agree about the maddie case and I was sceptical about Mike,s posting but I think we can express out feelings in a less abrasive way that is all I am saying. :(
Thought you would be off celebrating the Jubilee or are you like me and happier to stay home :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on June 03, 2012, 03:46:PM
Hi FreeWillyGage  welcome to the forum.  I know what you mean when you feel passionate about something it is so easy  to let your emotions run riot we have all done it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 03:52:PM
Hi Bridget  I agree about the maddie case and I was sceptical about Mike,s posting but I think we can express out feelings in a less abrasive way that is all I am saying. :(
Thought you would be off celebrating the Jubilee or are you like me and happier to stay home :)

I'm just enjoying the long weekend to be honest, getting quite a bit done amid the relaxing.

I think most people are sceptical, and we've all gotten used to the sort of things mike posts. It's different for new people.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 03, 2012, 03:54:PM
Bridget,

Have you read Truth of the Lie by Amaral?  If so, what did you think of it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on June 03, 2012, 04:02:PM
Hi Bridget  it is nice to have time off and do your own thing.  Yes I have been a little surprised at some of Mike,s postings and wondered if I was missing something i.e. with no pics but I don,t think so. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 04:07:PM
Bridget,

Have you read Truth of the Lie by Amaral?  If so, what did you think of it?

No, I haven't really followed the Madelaine story at all I'm afraid, I had no idea that her story was the subject of such speculation until I saw it one one of the other forums.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 04:08:PM
Hi Bridget  it is nice to have time off and do your own thing.  Yes I have been a little surprised at some of Mike,s postings and wondered if I was missing something i.e. with no pics but I don,t think so. :)

Devils in hedges and haystacks mostly ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Nuala on June 03, 2012, 04:11:PM
editted my post may have let my emotions get the better of me when sending it. no need for trying to insult people personally.


thank you. Your name is long one, do you prefer to be called by this or, FWG, or Willie?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 03, 2012, 04:12:PM
No, I haven't really followed the Madelaine story at all I'm afraid, I had no idea that her story was the subject of such speculation until I saw it one one of the other forums.

It's written by the detective thrown off the case... Taff Jones syndrome?  The link is on this thread in several places and it's a cracking read.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 04:13:PM
It's written by the detective thrown off the case... Taff Jones syndrome?  The link is on this thread in several places and it's a cracking read.

It's a book I take it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Nuala on June 03, 2012, 04:21:PM
I don't know who abducted and possibly killed Madeleine McCann. It seems to me that there is insufficient evidence to point the finger at anyone. Given the lack of proof regarding who took her, I regard the internet witch hunt of the McCanns as disgraceful.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 03, 2012, 04:23:PM
It's a book I take it?

It's the book that the UK authorities banned over here, so it can only be read on-line.  He also wrote another book which I think was about UK authorities interference with Portugese authorities, around the case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 04:29:PM
It's the book that the UK authorities banned over here, so it can only be read on-line.  He also wrote another book which I think was about UK authorities interference with Portugese authorities, around the case.

Why was it banned?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ngb1066 on June 03, 2012, 04:49:PM
Why was it banned?

Libel.  An injunction was obtained.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bridget on June 03, 2012, 04:52:PM
Libel.  An injunction was obtained.

Oh ok, I guess I'll have to find the link then.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2012, 12:47:AM
Amaral who wrote "Truth of the Lie" was a disgraced PJ. He was sacked because of an involvement with the Cipriano case.

He claims the parents killed Madeleine, after he was sacked....he claims he has the proof! But, whilst he was a detective in charge of the case he was clueless.....when sacked of course he knew everything.

Money Money Money....springs to mind....

If Amaral had stopped wining and dining on the night of her disappearance and, had attended the scene maybe and only maybe, would the crime scene been sectioned off....but Amaral did not arrive till the following morning.....

He was shamed copper after the Capriano affiair....

I do believe you can purchase his book....in a different Country...and that the ban has been lifted...Very sad that an ex copper should make.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2012, 12:57:AM
There were a lot of children going missing around a 20 mile radius of PDL...over 20 years prior to 2007.  Child trafficking in Europe is rife......  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2012, 01:13:AM
Allegations of police misconduct
Though Leonor Cipriano confessed to killing her daughter, it was only after nearly 48 hours of continuous interrogation, and she retracted her confession the next day, claiming she had been beaten. She had extensive bruising after the interrogation, which the police claimed came about when she threw herself down the stairs.[7] Since then Gonçalo Amaral and four other Portuguese police officers have been charged with offences.[3] "Mr. Amaral was not present at the time of her alleged beating but is accused of covering up for his colleagues, which he strenuously denies."[8] Leonor Cipriano's former lawyer said that Leonor does not know who beat her up.[9]
[edit]Comparison to disappearance of Madeleine McCann
The village of Figueira is only seven miles from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared on 3 May 2007. In both cases the mothers launched campaigns[citation needed] to find their girls and in both cases the local police, unable to find the girls alive, investigated the possibility that the mothers had killed their daughters.[10] On 19 June 1996, a six-year-old German child, Renè Hasèe, also disappeared, from the Amoreira beach near Aljezur while walking a few metres ahead of his parents.[11][12]
A child protection specialist, Mark Williams-Thomas, who believes that Joana's and Madeleine's disappearances are related, commented that the disappearance of two children unknown to each other, within a period of four years in a seven-mile radius, would be a huge coincidence, especially considering that "Portugal is a small country with very, very few abductions[...]" (Portugal's land area is about 70% of England's land area; its population in 2007 was roughly 22% of England's population).[4] Leandro Silva, the common-law husband of Leonor Cipriano, commented that "the only difference between the McCanns and us is that we don't have money".[13]
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 04, 2012, 09:46:AM

"Searches were carried out in the region. The spanish authorities were warned, the borders were controled. "THE LARGEST SEARCH OPERATION EVER TO BE CARRIED OUT IN PORTUGAL WAS ORGANISED. During several days, hundreds of militaries from the GNR,firemen, volunteers and members of the policia judiciaria, THOROUGHLY searched over 200 square kilometers, a GIGANTIC search operation. No search in Portugal had ever included such means and so many people. Everything is checked, and checked again, borders are watched, all vehicles are searched. The child does not appear.


there's News footage out there of the area you are taking pictures of being thoroughly searched by professionals.

Well, pal, there is no evidence that they dug up the area where I think the abductor buried Maddie after he killed her...

The searches must have been pathetic that's ll I can say...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 04, 2012, 11:51:AM
Amaral who wrote "Truth of the Lie" was a disgraced PJ. He was sacked because of an involvement with the Cipriano case.

He claims the parents killed Madeleine, after he was sacked....he claims he has the proof! But, whilst he was a detective in charge of the case he was clueless.....when sacked of course he knew everything.

Money Money Money....springs to mind....

If Amaral had stopped wining and dining on the night of her disappearance and, had attended the scene maybe and only maybe, would the crime scene been sectioned off....but Amaral did not arrive till the following morning.....

He was shamed copper after the Capriano affiair....

I do believe you can purchase his book....in a different Country...and that the ban has been lifted...Very sad that an ex copper should make.... :) :) :) :)

I have to say I was impressed with Amaral and the PJ upon reading the book.  Since he wrote it, he could have course used the book to portray him self in a positive light.  I didn't come away from the book harbouring the sentiments you have have expressed above Patti but over time I have come to seriously doubt that the McCanns could front a facade of this magnitude, so he may very well be incorrect in his beliefs.  I don't recall anything about killings after he was sacked but it's a long time since I read the book.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Nuala on June 04, 2012, 07:24:PM
I have to say I was impressed with Amaral and the PJ upon reading the book.  Since he wrote it, he could have course used the book to portray him self in a positive light.  I didn't come away from the book harbouring the sentiments you have have expressed above Patti but over time I have come to seriously doubt that the McCanns could front a facade of this magnitude, so he may very well be incorrect in his beliefs.  I don't recall anything about killings after he was sacked but it's a long time since I read the book.


I know the British Man who gave Amaral a lot of his information because I worked with him many years ago. He was good man in those days and widely respected, but he had a breakdown and has never been the same since. He became a religious obsessive after the breakdown and has got himself into so much trouble. He led the witch hunt against the McCanns with scant evidence for this. I think much of the so called evidence was a product of this man's obsession.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 12:01:AM
I am currently re-reading Kate McCanns book - "Madeleine"
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 12:12:AM
Although the book is obviously a very moving personal account about the case from Kate McCanns point of view, there are parts of it which leave many questions still and yet unanswered...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 12:23:AM
Although the book is obviously a very moving personal account about the case from Kate McCanns point of view, there are parts of it which leave many questions still and yet unanswered...

I have personally spent a week staying in one of the apartments  across the road from apartment 5A, where Maddie went missing from. I walked the surrounding footpaths and roads, in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene, and further afield taking in the beach, shops and restaurants, etc. I am not entirely happy with the account given in this book, because it tends to avoid issues which need to be addressed. OK, Kate puts her story across very well, and makes out a case for her having no knowledge or involvement in Maddies disappearance, but she fails to convince me that one or other of her friends did not play some role or other in it. There is something not quite right about the way this issue appears to be ignored altogether in the book.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 12:54:AM
You can view some of the photograhs which I took whilst staying in PDL at the following link:-

(1) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:03:AM
David Payne / Jane Tanner?

This would be a good starting point for any investigation by the police, question marks hangs over their accounts and possible involvement in the unfolding drama...

Particular care should be paid to the movement of this pair throughout the evening that Maddie went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:10:AM
Jane Tanner is conveniently away from the tapas bar at the time Kate McCann goes to apartment 5A and discovers Maddie to be missing...

Earlier...

She claims to have seen a man carrying off a child in his arms...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:12:AM
Start with a full account of their movements between their respective apartments and the tapas bar, leading up to the disappearance of Maddie, and later once her disappearance had been reported...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:16:AM
Since, Jane Tanner was the only person to have seen the man carrying off a child in his arms, to be pondered is why she was not taken into the streets by other members of the tapas group that same night  to look for the man with a view of trying to identify, and locate him and the child?

Something very dodgy been going on here in my book...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:18:AM
Since, Jane Tanner was the only person to have seen the man carrying off a child in his arms, to be pondered is why she was not taken into the streets by other members of the tapas group that same night  to look for the man with a view of trying to identify, and locate him and the child?

Something very dodgy been going on here in my book...

Maddie was not taken out of the bedroom window by a lone abductor, I think that whoever took her, did so through the front door that led into the alley / car park - Jane Tanner had the opportunity to have done this before Kate arrived to check the apartment at about 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:21:AM
Maddie was not taken out of the bedroom window by a lone abductor, I think that whoever took her, did so through the front door that led into the alley / car park - Jane Tanner had the opportunity to have done this before Kate arrived to check the apartment at about 10pm...

How convenient that Jane Tanners little daugther was ill on the very same evening that Maddie went missing, which provided a perfect excuse for her to be away from the tapas bar at the time the McCann parents were there (with the exception of Gerry's visit to check apartment 5A at about 9:05pm) ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 09:41:AM
Apartments

(Ground floor)

5A - Kate and Gerry McCann
5B - Mat and Rachel Oldfield
5C - empty
5D - Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien

(upstairs)

5H - David and Fiona Payne (Diane Webster)

---------------------------------------------------------

I believe that abductor(s) entered via patio door at tapas (pool side) bar side of premises, and exited via front door on road side of premises (where car park is located). I do not buy into any suggestion that any abductor got through the shuttered bedroom window in the children's bedroom, or that Maddie could have been taken through the same bedroom window, during her abduction or removal from the premises by one person...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 09:55:AM
Once inside the apartment (having entered via the patio doors) any would be abductor would easily be able to let themselves out via the front door on the road side of the building, there would be no need to climb out of the bedroom window which would involve opening curtains, opening the window, and pulling up the security blind...

Much easier to simply come back out of the bedroom and turn sharp left to the front door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:01:AM
Any would be abductor would not risk exiting the apartment via the patio door at the pool side of the premises carrying off Maddie because they would know that this was the most likeliest route the parents might take when and if returning to the apartment unexpectedly. It would also be highly risky for any would be abductor to climb out of the bedroom window carrying off Maddie, which is why I feel certain that Maddie was carried off or removed from the premises via the front door ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:09:AM
Any would be abductor would not risk exiting the apartment via the patio door at the pool side of the premises carrying off Maddie because they would know that this was the most likeliest route the parents might take when and if returning to the apartment unexpectedly. It would also be highly risky for any would be abductor to climb out of the bedroom window carrying off Maddie, which is why I feel certain that Maddie was carried off or removed from the premises via the front door ...

Not only do I feel that Maddie was not taken through the bedroom window, but once outside the apartment (5A) I think any would be abductor would not have climbed over the wall into the car park carrying a child, but rather they would have walked along the path which runs along from apartments 5A, 5B, 5C and 5D, to a set of concrete steps which lead up onto the car park, and adjoining upstairs apartments. This journey would have taken the abductor along the footpath past the apartments of Matt and Rachel Oldfield (5B), the empty apartment 5C, and the apartment enjoyed by Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien (5D), and the set of concrete stairs which led up to the next level where David and Fiona Payne (and Diane Webster) were located...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:27:AM
The opened bedroom window was probably opened as a means to escape by the abductor. Or, it was opened because chloroform was used and it was a way to get rid of the smell.  There were no forensic evidence to support the window had been in use.

I agree the front door could have been used, but you can only believe that if you believe Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a child across the top of the road.

35/45 minutes later in the south west of PDL you have the Smith family seeing a man carrying a child. Bare in mind that the Smiths nor Tanner saw each other or saw each others statements; they all describe a similar man carrying a similar child....I think 9 witnesses in all...

The only thing that bothered us was the fact that Jane saw a man walking East towards Logos....and the Smith's sighting was in the South West.....

We thought long and hard about this....and realised that the abductor had changed direction...Why? because he had been seen.....Like any criminal he changed route in order to fool...

The abductor was local, had no transport possibly a local man or an holiday maker.....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 12:39:PM
The opened bedroom window was probably opened as a means to escape by the abductor. Or, it was opened because chloroform was used and it was a way to get rid of the smell.  There were no forensic evidence to support the window had been in use.

I agree the front door could have been used, but you can only believe that if you believe Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a child across the top of the road.

35/45 minutes later in the south west of PDL you have the Smith family seeing a man carrying a child. Bare in mind that the Smiths nor Tanner saw each other or saw each others statements; they all describe a similar man carrying a similar child....I think 9 witnesses in all...

The only thing that bothered us was the fact that Jane saw a man walking East towards Logos....and the Smith's sighting was in the South West.....

We thought long and hard about this....and realised that the abductor had changed direction...Why? because he had been seen.....Like any criminal he changed route in order to fool...

The abductor was local, had no transport possibly a local man or an holiday maker.....

Interesting observations, and worthy of consideration if only Jane Tanner has been telling the truth...

I personally think window was left open to try and fool the police into thinking Maddie had simply been abducted through it by a stranger, rather than she having been taken from the apartment by somebody close to the McCanns via the front door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 12:42:PM
Not only do I feel that Maddie was not taken through the bedroom window, but once outside the apartment (5A) I think any would be abductor would not have climbed over the wall into the car park carrying a child, but rather they would have walked along the path which runs along from apartments 5A, 5B, 5C and 5D, to a set of concrete steps which lead up onto the car park, and adjoining upstairs apartments. This journey would have taken the abductor along the footpath past the apartments of Matt and Rachel Oldfield (5B), the empty apartment 5C, and the apartment enjoyed by Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien (5D), and the set of concrete stairs which led up to the next level where David and Fiona Payne (and Diane Webster) were located...

Here is the relevant footpath outside the relevant apartments, which I photographed in 2010:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 12:49:PM
These pictures show a view of the front door of apartment 5A which I took in 2010:-

If you came out of the door (5A) and turned right, you would be facing eastwards in the general direction of where Jane Tanner claims she saw the man carrying off a child in his arms at about 9:05pm. From my point of view, any would be abductor would have come out of the front door and turned immediately left along the footpath which took them past the apartment blocks of the other members of the group, or in other words, westward. For this reason, I do not think any abductor would walk up the steps into the car park and turn right downhill in the direction of the road junction where Jane Tanner claims she spotted the man carrying a child, walking as it were in  an easterly direction. I can't see any would be abductor turning back upon himself and walking back in the very same direction that other members of the group would have to come to check their apartments. It would be much simpler for any would be abductor to turn left out of the entrance to the car park and go uphill, or in other words generally in an eastward direction...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 01:01:PM
Interesting observations, and worthy of consideration if only Jane Tanner has been telling the truth...

I personally think window was left open to try and fool the police into thinking Maddie had simply been abducted through it by a stranger, rather than she having been taken from the apartment by somebody close to the McCanns via the front door...
Interesting observations, and worthy of consideration if only Jane Tanner has been telling the truth...

Mike that could also be true......leading the police in thinking that the abductor got in and out of the window...but we know this is not the case. But did the abductor know that this would be forensically proved it wasn't the case.
I have often thought that someone on the complex knew the routine and had a key to that apartment....One could get out of the front door without a key, but would have needed one to get in.

I always believe that entry was made through the patio, although this can't be proven.

I don't think Jane Tanner was lying, she saw what she saw, along with the Smiths.....

What I have never been able to work out though, is why a man would walking about with a stolen child around the complex for 30 t0 45 minutes...Or could we say that Tanner and the Smith family were all lying and the abductor snatched her and fled of in a car?  It would make more sense to do that if the abduction was planned, rather that walk aimlessly around with her for x number minutes, he wans't that careful was he? :)

I personally think window was left open to try and fool the police into thinking Maddie had simply been abducted through it by a stranger, rather than she having been taken from the apartment by somebody close to the McCanns via the front door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 01:03:PM
Mike I need to ask you a question. When you walk around the apartment and enter the car park at the front can you see the window?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:08:PM


I'm not happy with Jane Tanners account, it doesn't sit well with me, it does not have a ring of truth about it, I think it was made up, and that the description she gave of the man carrying the child who was walking in a easterly direction, matches the description of the person seen by the Smith contingent, who was spotted walking in a westerly direction, because Jane Tanner knew and knows the identity of the person who physically carried off Maddie, and who was later spotted by the Smith family...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:12:PM
Mike I need to ask you a question. When you walk around the apartment and enter the car park at the front can you see the window?

I took pictures of the view you are talking about when I spent a week there in 2010:-

Daylight and night views which I will try to recover from disks which I saved all my photographs taken in Portugal on, but for now here are some which I have to hand...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:21:PM
There is a street lamp situated close to the corner of the road junction which lights up the area at night time - so, Jane Tanner would have been able to see the bedroom shutter raised up, the window open, and curtains fluttering about when she returned to her apartment at the time of her alleged sighting of the man carrying off the child in his arms in an easterly direction. Jane Tanner was going back to her apartment (5D) which is shown in this picture taken from the entrance to the car park, and which also shows the bedroom window through which it has been claimed that Maddie was taken:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:23:PM
Here is the street lamp which illuminates the relevant area near to the road junction:-

(To be uploaded soon)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:30:PM
The other thing which falls to be considered is the fact that at about 9:30pm, two other members of the group volunteered to go and check apartment 5A for the MCanns, at which time they learned that the patio door at the tapas (pool) side of the building of apartment 5A had been left unlocked and open? These two characters went there on the pretense that they were going to check their own apartments as well?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 01:35:PM
I'm amazed and your pictures answer my question....that is that the window could have been seen open.

It was passed at least 9 times by the Tapas group, yet all failed to see it open, with shutters up.  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:38:PM
The other thing which falls to be considered is the fact that at about 9:30pm, two other members of the group volunteered to go and check apartment 5A for the MCanns, at which time they learned that the patio door at the tapas (pool) side of the building of apartment 5A had been left unlocked and open? These two characters went there on the pretense that they were going to check their own apartments as well?

According to the evidence, (whoever you choose to believe) access to apartment 5A was the only premises which was accessible via the pool side patio doors, all the other group members left their apartments by the corresponding front doors, situated on the car park side of the building. So these two characters left the tapas bar at about 9:30pm and went directly to the patio doors of apartment 5A at the pool side of the building and carried out a check on the McCann children? From there, these two men then went to their respective apartments to carry out checks themselves on the opposite side of the building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:39:PM
I'm amazed and your pictures answer my question....that is that the window could have been seen open.

It was passed at least 9 times by the Tapas group, yet all failed to see it open, with shutters up.  :-\ :-\ :-\

Correct, utterly amazing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 01:40:PM
Did you take any pictures at night time Mike?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:53:PM
Did you take any pictures at night time Mike?

Yes, of course I did...

Anyone going back to apartments, 5A, 5B, 5D and 5H would easily have been able to see if the shutter at the bedroom window was raised up, and the window open, with its curtains fluttering about. This is what convinces me that Jane Tanners account is not a truthful one. If it was true, for example, she couldn't help to have missed the shutter at the window of apartment 5A raised up, with window open and curtains fluttering when she went back to her own apartment (5D). Not only that but with the return of two further members of the group at around 9:30pm, who as I say volunteered to check 5A for the McCanns, as well as go to check their own apartments, either of these two characters would have spotted the raised shutter, open window and fluttering curtains, once they had left 5A at the poolside, and gone to their respective apartments on the opposite side of the building? If shove came to push and I had to pick the identity of those involved in Maddies removal from apartment 5A, I would have to put Jane Tanner and the two group members who left the tapas bar at 9:30pm, in the frame...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 01:58:PM
Yes, of course I did...

Anyone going back to apartments, 5A, 5B, 5D and 5H would easily have been able to see if the shutter at the bedroom window was raised up, and the window open, with its curtains fluttering about. This is what convinces me that Jane Tanners account is not a truthful one. If it was true, for example, she couldn't help to have missed the shutter at the window of apartment 5A raised up, with window open and curtains fluttering when she went back to her own apartment (5D). Not only that but with the return of two further members of the group at around 9:30pm, who as I say volunteered to check 5A for the McCanns, as well as go to check their own apartments, either of these two characters would have spotted the raised shutter, open window and fluttering curtains, once they had left 5A at the poolside, and gone to their respective apartments on the opposite side of the building? If shove came to push and I had to pick the identity of those involved in Maddies removal from apartment 5A, I would have to put Jane Tanner and the two group members who left the tapas bar at 9:30pm, in the frame...

I think that Maddie was removed from apartment 5A, at some time between 9:30 - 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 02:00:PM
I think that Maddie was removed from apartment 5A, at some time between 9:30 - 10pm...

I also think that Jane Tanners absence from the tapas bar at the time Kate supposedly discovers Maddie to be missing, is no coincidence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 02:05:PM
I also think that Jane Tanners absence from the tapas bar at the time Kate supposedly discovers Maddie to be missing, is no coincidence...

If you link this to the fact that the two characters who volunteered to check apartment 5A for the McCanns at 9;30pm, were told they could gain access through the unlocked patio door, and that this was the first occasion that anyone knew that the parents had left their children in an insecure building, the signs are obvious that someone took advantage of this at the time of this fact being shared by the parents, with them?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 02:11:PM
Not to be overlooked, is the fact that whoever carried off Maddie from 5A almost certainly had to go directly past the front doors of apartments 5B and 5D, and the stairwell that led to apartment 5H (above)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 02:17:PM
I think that Maddie was removed from apartment 5A, at some time between 9:30 - 10pm...

Hi Mike, was that the last time Tanner passed that window though? Did she go back to the bar? Memory has gone, it;s been a long time since I looked at the statements...I did a timeline...but, I can't find it, but I am going back a few years..... know she was in the apartment when the alarm was raised.

Mike can you see that window clearly in an evening? I know trees have grown etc..... :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 02:24:PM
Not to be overlooked, is the fact that whoever carried off Maddie from 5A almost certainly had to go directly past the front doors of apartments 5B and 5D, and the stairwell that led to apartment 5H (above)...

It sounds crazy. You would think if the abduction was planned, so would the get away....in, out and gone!

It makes no sense to carry an abducted child around with you for x number of minutes...You say you are not sure of Tannner's statement, I have never been sure about the Smiths...However there are more of the Smiths that saw the sighting, which leads me to believe that they were telling the truth....

I can't see why Tanner would lie....other than creating herself some much needed attention...She has children of her own...I find it difficult to think that she was lying....but I suppose there has to be scope between them all.....

If she was telling the truth then he was heading towards Murat's......He did hire a car the next morning and this has never been explained...although I feel he was just as much a victim as the McCann's were in the eyes of the PJ.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 02:32:PM
Hi Mike, was that the last time Tanner passed that window though? Did she go back to the bar? Memory has gone, it;s been a long time since I looked at the statements...I did a timeline...but, I can't find it, but I am going back a few years..... know she was in the apartment when the alarm was raised.

Mike can you see that window clearly in an evening? I know trees have grown etc..... :) :)

Yes, you can see the window of 5A as soon as you turn the corner of the road junction and start to go uphill, the boundary wall is taller closest to the junction, but it tapers away the closer you progress to the entrance of the car park. I do not profess to know how tall Jane Tanner is, but I should say that once she had come around the bend at the junction, she would only have needed to go a couple of meters and if looking left, she would have had a clear view of the bedroom window at 5A. For some reason she makes no mention in any of her accounts about whether or not she could see the window in question from the footpath at the roadside, or if at that stage the shutter was up or down, or if the window was open or closed, or if the curtain was fluttering or not?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 02:40:PM
I can't understand it....several of the party passed that window. I know that if you're not looking for it, maybe you could have passed it once...but several times??

Here is Jane's statement original transcripts.  :)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Tanner4of7_HO4.pdf
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 07:07:PM
I can't understand it....several of the party passed that window. I know that if you're not looking for it, maybe you could have passed it once...but several times??

Here is Jane's statement original transcripts.  :)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Tanner4of7_HO4.pdf

I am interested in the part of this interview where Jane Tanner makes mention of an earlier occasion during the week before the night when Maddie went missing, when Russel and someone else who Tanner does not want to name, checked on Maddie? I am wondering if this had anything at all to do with the occasion when Maddie complained to Kate about not coming the previous evening when they had been awake and crying? It is also interesting to note, that Jane Tanner says that Russell had met Robert Murat earlier in the week, and I was just wondering if Murat was the other person who went to check on Maddie and the children which Maddie mentioned to Kate?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 07:18:PM
Here are some night photographs which I took in 2010:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 07:37:PM
Here are some more images from the area around apartment 5A car park, and a view down hill from outside the doorway of the same apartment:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 07:39:PM
Mike thanks for them, it confirms to me that the car park is well lit up at the front of the apartments...How could they have missed the window?

Not sure about Murat, Mike. He was was supposed to have been seen that night by someone in the Tapas 9 ....but he denies any involvement and his mother gave him an alibi....

But he did phone Malinka up at about 11pm that night...and both of then denied it...why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 07:46:PM
Mike thanks for them, it confirms to me that the car park is well lit up at the front of the apartments...How could they have missed the window?

Not sure about Murat, Mike. He was was supposed to have been seen that night by someone in the Tapas 9 ....but he denies any involvement and his mother gave him an alibi....

But he did phone Malinka up at about 11pm that night...and both of then denied it...why?

Alarm bells are ringing in my head - I would like the police to get to the bottom of this business where Jane Tanner starts to tell the Leicester police about an earlier occasion in the week before the night when Maddie went missing when her partner Russell O'Brien checked on Maddie and the other two children with someone else, she did not want to name? I think it is vitally important to identify the occasion Tanner spoke about and to find out who this other person was /is?

I fell sure the McCann parents did not know anything at all about this previous check having been made by Russell O'Brien, and another?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 07:48:PM
Alarm bells are ringing in my head - I would like the police to get to the bottom of this business where Jane Tanner starts to tell the Leicester police about an earlier occasion in the week before the night when Maddie went missing when her partner Russell O'Brien checked on Maddie and the other two children with someone else, she did not want to name? I think it is vitally important to identify the occasion Tanner spoke about and to find out who this other person was /is?

I fell sure the McCann parents did not know anything at all about this previous check having been made by Russell O'Brien, and another?

I am just wondering if the other person on that / this other unreported occasion was either Murat or Malinka?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 07:56:PM
I will have to re-check it all Mike. It's years since I was involved in researching the case.

Did you also know that the Smith Family knew Murat? Not that it has any relevance, but it's worth knowing....

Also in Kate's book she never mentions the Smith family, she calls them the family from Ireland... :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 08:08:PM
I will have to re-check it all Mike. It's years since I was involved in researching the case.

Did you also know that the Smith Family knew Murat? Not that it has any relevance, but it's worth knowing....

Also in Kate's book she never mentions the Smith family, she calls them the family from Ireland... :)

I also believe that Murat had some sort of business meeting close to the Baptiste supermarket in PDL on the night Maddie went missing. I seem to recall something about his girlfriend saying he had a business appointment at about 9:30pm in that locality, or whatever. The interesting thing is I think Murat and Malinka both were supposed to have attended such a meeting, and if true it places them both in the vicinity, and somewhere along the route where the Smith family made the sighting of Maddie being carried off in the direction of the coastline...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 08:39:PM
I also believe that Murat had some sort of business meeting close to the Baptiste supermarket in PDL on the night Maddie went missing. I seem to recall something about his girlfriend saying he had a business appointment at about 9:30pm in that locality, or whatever. The interesting thing is I think Murat and Malinka both were supposed to have attended such a meeting, and if true it places them both in the vicinity, and somewhere along the route where the Smith family made the sighting of Maddie being carried off in the direction of the coastline...

That's right Mike both Murat and Malinka had a meeting in the supermarket. I think that was a few days prior to the abduction..

Malinka has 3 aliases and 3 different passports....he wiped his hard drive clean so the PJ would not see what was on it....he also had his car set on fire....with letters written on the pavement in red....He also had a boat...was into porn and bestiality. 

His business with Murat was real estate and holiday apartments....

Have you read Malinka's statements?  :)

I dare bet the Smith family knew Malinka too, he lived just round the corner from where the Smiths saw a man carrying a child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:21:PM
That's right Mike both Murat and Malinka had a meeting in the supermarket. I think that was a few days prior to the abduction..

Malinka has 3 aliases and 3 different passports....he wiped his hard drive clean so the PJ would not see what was on it....he also had his car set on fire....with letters written on the pavement in red....He also had a boat...was into porn and bestiality. 

His business with Murat was real estate and holiday apartments....

Have you read Malinka's statements?  :)

I dare bet the Smith family knew Malinka too, he lived just round the corner from where the Smiths saw a man carrying a child...

Do we have any photographic images of Malinka?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:33:PM
Do we have any photographic images of Malinka?

Yes I will go and get you one... :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:35:PM
This is a young Malinka....I will try and find an older one.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/pp/Sergey_Malinka_small.JPG
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:35:PM
Yes I will go and get you one... :)

Thanks...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:36:PM
This might be helpful Mike... http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p6p1459
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:37:PM
This is a young Malinka....I will try and find an older one.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/pp/Sergey_Malinka_small.JPG

He looks a bit like a young Gary Lineker:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:38:PM
Hahahahaha

Here is an older one but the PJ has taken out the eyes...http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1464.jpg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:40:PM
2. RECORD OF PAEDOPHILE MATERIAL

Alison informs us that 4 years ago her boyfriend Cristian was spending two nights at Sergei Malinka's home when, upon going to send an email from one of Sergei's computers and upon joining an attachment he saw paedophile material. When asked for explanations, Sergei told him that it was a client's computer and that he would denounce the fact to the pertinent authorities the following day.

That is what Alison told us.

Alison's phone number: ******

The telephone conversation with Alison is attached:

Original Spanish text here (note the telephone conversation is not in the files):


Mike this was never followed up by the PJ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:47:PM
Hahahahaha

Here is an older one but the PJ has taken out the eyes...http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1464.jpg

Wonder if he matched or resembled any of the identikit images?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:47:PM
Here is the older one. with eyes...:)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 10:48:PM
well what do you think? Bottom right...looks familiar...?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:51:PM
Here is the older one. with eyes...:)

OK...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 10:53:PM
well what do you think? Bottom right...looks familiar...?

Off hand, do you know to which sightings photofit image 4 was associated with?

It's ok I found the relevant information in Kates book:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 11:02:PM
Off hand, do you know to which sightings photofit image 4 was associated with?

I'm not sure, I think it was the man seen at the wall, below the garden, several times by a young girl and her mother.....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 11:11:PM
The above sighting is very interesting since I have a gut feeling this could have been Malinka visiting the adjoining apartment 5B to where Maddie disappeared or was removed soon afterwards? He apparently had links to the apartment block, but not to the ground floor apartment (5B) he was seen to be leaving. This was the apartment being used by Matt Oldfield, who as you know left to check apartment 5A at around 9:30pm along with Russell O'Brien. I have a very strong gut feeling that Russell O'Brien, Matt Oldfield and Jane Tanner could have been in cohoots with Malinka, and that some sort of an arrangement was / has been made to extract Maddie from 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 11:14:PM
I'm not sure about that Mike. It's a tough one to prove...

If I had my way I would be questioning the Smiths.....at length.  :)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 05, 2012, 11:17:PM
The above sighting is very interesting since I have a gut feeling this could have been Malinka visiting the adjoining apartment 5B to where Maddie disappeared or was removed soon afterwards? He apparently had links to the apartment block, but not to the ground floor apartment (5B) he was seen to be leaving. This was the apartment being used by Matt Oldfield, who as you know left to check apartment 5A at around 9:30pm along with Russell O'Brien. I have a very strong gut feeling that Russell O'Brien, Matt Oldfield and Jane Tanner could have been in cohoots with Malinka, and that some sort of an arrangement was / has been made to extract Maddie from 5A...

I am also now very interested in the reference made by Jane Tanner to Leicester police about an earlier check made on the McCann children by Russel earlier in the week, where Tanner refused to name the person accompanying Russell into 5A? To my suspicious mind I think there is a very good chance that this unidentified person was none other than, Sergey Malinka...

If true...

Everything seems to point to the disappearance of Maddie involving a number of the tapas group members, namely, Matt Oldfield (5B), Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner (5D), and Sergey Malinka...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 11:24:PM
Mike, after all of this happened, guess where Malinka came to stay....Yep here in England.

I will find you his alias names...I think there was 3 and 3 different passport....A genuine man does not have alias and 3 passports...does he...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 11:36:PM
Mike he worked for this company...Corlett Lines Company..he had a yacht in Lagos. or was it Potimaeo  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 05, 2012, 11:48:PM
This is also interesting, but he has the times wrong....on the phone calls, because now you can track a mobile call and it's receiver.  Which the PJ did....

But it highlight Malinka car that was set of fire and the words FALA....meaning Talk in English almost a year after Madeleine went missing...

http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/did-sergey-malika-took-pictures-of.html

Mike I don't normally look at blogs sights, because they are not real evidence, but the above is worth a look....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 06, 2012, 06:01:AM
It is crucial for the police to find out two things, (1) - when did Russell O'Brien check apartment 5A earlier in the week to which Jane Tanner refers in her Leicester police interview, and (2) - find out the identity of the person who accompanied him on that occasion, who was someone that Tanner was frightened of identifying to the police...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 06, 2012, 06:32:PM
It is crucial for the police to find out two things, (1) - when did Russell O'Brien check apartment 5A earlier in the week to which Jane Tanner refers in her Leicester police interview, and (2) - find out the identity of the person who accompanied him on that occasion, who was someone that Tanner was frightened of identifying to the police...

Was this other visit by Russell and an accomplice earlier in the week linked to what Maddie complained of to Kate? Why would both children be wide awake and crying for their parents?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 06, 2012, 06:37:PM
Was this other visit by Russell and an accomplice earlier in the week linked to what Maddie complained of to Kate? Why would both children be wide awake and crying for their parents?

I'm sure it was David Payne Mike?....No one else went with anyone to check the children...Not from what I have read.

Talking about Malinka...This is his car that was torched and the word FALA meaning TALK....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 06, 2012, 09:10:PM
I'm sure it was David Payne Mike?....No one else went with anyone to check the children...Not from what I have read.

Talking about Malinka...This is his car that was torched and the word FALA meaning TALK....

I am more interested in what was written on the rear door, and its meaning?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on June 06, 2012, 09:41:PM
I hope one day the Mcanns get answers. It may take years though. Like the case of Etan Patz which has just been back in the headlines.....that little boy bless. Breaks my heart - he was such a good looknig young man and deserved so much better in life.

Fuck that evil bastard who dared hurt him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 06, 2012, 10:24:PM
I hope one day the Mcanns get answers. It may take years though. Like the case of Etan Patz which has just been back in the headlines.....that little boy bless. Breaks my heart - he was such a good looknig young man and deserved so much better in life.

Fuck that evil bastard who dared hurt him.

Have you seen this:-

Do you think it resembles Kate McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 06, 2012, 10:26:PM
What is it Mike?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 06, 2012, 10:27:PM
What is it Mike?

Look closely - can you make out an image of Kate McCann reaching out towards an image of Maddies face?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 06, 2012, 10:32:PM
OK...

Try looking at this then - an image of a person grabbing hold of a small child?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 06, 2012, 10:33:PM
I hope one day the Mcanns get answers. It may take years though. Like the case of Etan Patz which has just been back in the headlines.....that little boy bless. Breaks my heart - he was such a good looknig young man and deserved so much better in life.

Fuck that evil bastard who dared hurt him.

Do you think they have the right man for this awful tragedy mat?

I also 2nd your last sentence.... :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 06, 2012, 10:35:PM
I can't see things like that Mike.....I think we see what we want to believe we see. Alls I see is a burnt out car....What I would like to know is who and why?

The PJ never followed it up.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on June 06, 2012, 11:54:PM
Do you think they have the right man for this awful tragedy mat?

I also 2nd your last sentence.... :(

I do hope so, but with only his statement to say he did it - who knows. Could be a loon, wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 07, 2012, 01:50:PM
I am more interested in what was written on the rear door, and its meaning?
Mike.......it looks to me like it says Galetra......which means "summit".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 07, 2012, 03:40:PM
I haven't got " that feeling " that Madeleine is dead. Most times I can say yes,,but not in this case at all.
She's been whisked away probably by those who have already been interviewed,,or involved. It'll come to light in due course.  Yet more sensationalised headlines and bad policing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 07, 2012, 03:51:PM
OK...

Lookout look at this....you know who the man is don't you?  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 07, 2012, 03:53:PM
I always found it interesting that Murat visited his sister,who lives near Russell OBrien and Jane Tanner,shortly before the Mccann and friends holiday.I believe that these three knew each other before the holiday.I think that there is a link between OBrien,Tanner,Murat and Malinka and that they hold the answers as to what happened to Maddie.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 07, 2012, 04:28:PM
Oh and possibly Raymond Hewlett.Throw him into the mix.I think he may possibly be the man that actually took her from the apartment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 07, 2012, 05:46:PM
Oh and possibly Raymond Hewlett.Throw him into the mix.I think he may possibly be the man that actually took her from the apartment.

Hi Tyler, he was wanted in the UK for child abuse.  He was also in Portugal at the time. He moved out of Portugal a few days later after Madeleine disappeared. He took his then family to camp site in France. According to witnesses there, he was obsessed with talking about Madeleine.

I think he refused to answer question when he went to Germany for treatment for his cancer. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2012, 06:36:PM
Murat and Malinka possibly linked to derelict building across road from church at PDL where Maddie was taken on night she disappeared...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2012, 08:21:PM
Murat and Malinka possibly linked to derelict building across road from church at PDL where Maddie was taken on night she disappeared...

I am convinced that evidence exists inside the derelict building and its grounds to help prove she was taken there on the night of her disappearance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on June 07, 2012, 10:27:PM
Hi Tyler, he was wanted in the UK for child abuse.  He was also in Portugal at the time. He moved out of Portugal a few days later after Madeleine disappeared. He took his then family to camp site in France. According to witnesses there, he was obsessed with talking about Madeleine.

I think he refused to answer question when he went to Germany for treatment for his cancer. :)
Hi Patti........yeah,I know a little about him but I read that he made a hasty exit to a camp site in Morocco following Maddies disappearance.Unless he went to France and then on to Morocco?I wonder how he could afford to move around so much considering he was said to have been living hand to mouth.By trafficking children perhaps?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 10:59:PM
this hewlit guy was supposed to have weeks to live that was 3 years ago but i havent read anything about him dying all very strange.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on June 07, 2012, 11:01:PM
this hewlit guy was supposed to have weeks to live that was 3 years ago but i havent read anything about him dying all very strange.
Ill people's prognosis is always only a generalisation nugnug, no one really knows how long any person will live. Some people live for very many years after theyv'e been told they only had a short time to live.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 07, 2012, 11:04:PM
well they say only the good die young.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 08, 2012, 05:46:AM
Hi Patti........yeah,I know a little about him but I read that he made a hasty exit to a camp site in Morocco following Maddies disappearance.Unless he went to France and then on to Morocco?I wonder how he could afford to move around so much considering he was said to have been living hand to mouth.By trafficking children perhaps?

Hi Tyler :) I could be wrong about the Countries....It could have been Morocco. Yeah, where did he get the money from?????
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 09, 2012, 05:12:AM
I have a feeling that there is going to be a development in this case within the next four weeks, a really major development...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 09, 2012, 01:08:PM
"Come and get me, Mr Mike, make them come and find me"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 09, 2012, 01:42:PM
She is here:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2012, 07:26:AM
Truth revealed incantation


"Moon and tide save help me now,
I seek the truth here not yet found,
For underneath the fog there lies,
new possibilities for I,
So let this night be unlike others,
And let the noble show their colors,
And let the meek and cowards run,
For now the moon seeks out her sun,
And by the power that is three,
So as I will it, so mote it be."
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2012, 07:35:AM
 A secondary visual trace image representing the person carrying off Maddie, present at this location:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2012, 08:44:PM
Maddie is here:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on June 10, 2012, 08:46:PM
I have a feeling that there is going to be a development in this case within the next four weeks, a really major development...

I hope so, Mike. Really do.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2012, 09:24:PM
The Portuguese police seized a door key from a suspect which fitted the lock in the front door of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL. At the time it was seized the police thought it was a spare key to the door lock on the roadside front door of apartment 5A, but a similar lock is fitted to the door of the aforementioned derelict building...

Use of this key gave access to the building from the road outside and across from the church at PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2012, 07:49:AM
Police need to look more closely at the relationships between tapas group members, and other suspects...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2012, 10:03:PM
Maddie - judgement day is loo.ing large for those involved in her disappearance and death...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 23, 2012, 10:13:PM
Maddie - judgement day is looming large for those involved in her disappearance and death...

I doubt it Mike. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Gillian on July 06, 2012, 01:17:PM
Hi Mike

I was just wondering whether you had seen the report today on Yahoo regarding a development in the case.  The police are investigating reports of a claim by Stephen Birch, using radar scans, that Madeline is buried near to the apartment where she disappeared. 

I would be interested in your thoughts regarding this and wonder whether you think the site described is the same as the one you have described in recent months.   :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 06, 2012, 10:07:PM
Hi Mike

I was just wondering whether you had seen the report today on Yahoo regarding a development in the case.  The police are investigating reports of a claim by Stephen Birch, using radar scans, that Madeline is buried near to the apartment where she disappeared. 

I would be interested in your thoughts regarding this and wonder whether you think the site described is the same as the one you have described in recent months.   :)

Hi Gillian

I have just been reading about this, the guy has been at it years. If memory serves me right Kate mentions him in her book.......It's a load of nonsense if you ask me. It just puts strain on the parents, but you never know....

One day, hopefully Kate and Gerry will have some sort of closure... :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 06, 2012, 10:17:PM
i cant belive that anyone could have buried that close to where she was taken without being noticed.

i also cant belive the body could have layed there all that time without somebody digging it up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 06, 2012, 10:23:PM
i cant belive that anyone could have buried that close to where she was taken without being noticed.

i also cant belive the body could have layed there all that time without somebody digging it up.

Hi nugnun, there were a lot of road works going on at the time, when Madeleine disappeared....The PJ  interviewed the foreman of the road works and he told the police that he personally had checked the ditches and there were no signs of anything....the PJ failed to inspect the dug up roads...taking the foreman's words....

Did you know there are many tunnels underneath the resort that have never been checked... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 07, 2012, 12:17:AM
PDL that is where it began and that is where the answers lay..... 8)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 08:06:AM
I recently mentioned that within about three weeks there would be a major development in the case - could this be the news I was referring to?

Please click on link address:-

(1) - http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/2012/07/06/19959721.html
(2) - http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/06/man-claims-to-have-found-madeleines-body
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 08:17:AM
Psychic confirms Maddie is in the spirit world:-

Read article:-

(1) - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4316621/TV-psychic-Derek-Acorah-in-sick-Maddie-dead-claim.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ajross on July 07, 2012, 08:56:AM
Psychic confirms Maddie is in the spirit world:-

Read article:-

(1) - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4316621/TV-psychic-Derek-Acorah-in-sick-Maddie-dead-claim.html

Who do you think killed her Mike?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 09:21:AM
Who do you think killed her Mike?

Someone in the group, and or a contact who knew one of the group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ajross on July 07, 2012, 10:04:AM
Someone in the group, and or a contact who knew one of the group...

Why? Do you think it was an accident? I have to say that I agree with you
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 10:28:AM
Why? Do you think it was an accident? I have to say that I agree with you

I think Maddie could have died after inadvertently consuming adult recreational drugs, in the possession of one of the group, and that the other little (Tanner) girl who also consumed some of the same drug, turned out to be violently sick, but she survived. I am 99.9% certain that this is what happened. It was an accident, but her death was obviously brought on by the consumption of these recreational drugs. That was / is why they got rid of her body, because one or other of the group had in their possession illegal adult recreational drugs, which would have had serious consequences for them  (Criminally) legally and career wise...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 10:58:AM
I think Maddie could have died after inadvertently consuming adult recreational drugs, in the possession of one of the group, and that the other little (Tanner) girl who also consumed some of the same drug, turned out to be violently sick, but she survived. I am 99.9% certain that this is what happened. It was an accident, but her death was obviously brought on by the consumption of these recreational drugs. That was / is why they got rid of her body, because one or other of the group had in their possession illegal adult recreational drugs, which would have had serious consequences for them  (Criminally) legally and career wise...

If you read through the statements of group members there appears to have been a frantic period whilst GM was playing tennis on the evening before Maddies disappearance off the face of the earth, where one member of the group was wanting to know where Kate and Maddie was? This was because at that time somebody had become aware that the Tanner child had taken some of the recreational drug I am speaking about? The group member wanted to see if Maddie was having similar symptoms as the Tanner child, and that night Maddie died, and the Tanner child was very poorly, vomiting, sweating, hallucinating, etc., but she survived...

This is what the group have covered up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ajross on July 07, 2012, 11:36:AM
If you read through the statements of group members there appears to have been a frantic period whilst GM was playing tennis on the evening before Maddies disappearance off the face of the earth, where one member of the group was wanting to know where Kate and Maddie was? This was because at that time somebody had become aware that the Tanner child had taken some of the recreational drug I am speaking about? The group member wanted to see if Maddie was having similar symptoms as the Tanner child, and that night Maddie died, and the Tanner child was very poorly, vomiting, sweating, hallucinating, etc., but she survived...

This is what the group have covered up...

I have a very, very basic knowledge of this case so all of that makes very interesting reading, thank you
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 07, 2012, 01:23:PM
if someone did bury her body near by they would have to know the area very well i dont see how a tourist could.

there tunnels that have never been checked but how many people knew about these tunnels i doubt if any tourists did.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 07, 2012, 01:29:PM
I agree with nugnug it would have to be a local person who would know about the tunnels and to have buried Maddie close by again would have to be somebody with knowledge of the area and this would not be a tourist.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 03:36:PM
I agree with nugnug it would have to be a local person who would know about the tunnels and to have buried Maddie close by again would have to be somebody with knowledge of the area and this would not be a tourist.

Not necessarily, tourists can easily stumble upon such isolated places as I did...

But...

I think in the circumstances of this case, whoever was / is responsible utilized local knowlege from someone resident in the locality...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 03:39:PM
I agree with nugnug it would have to be a local person who would know about the tunnels and to have buried Maddie close by again would have to be somebody with knowledge of the area and this would not be a tourist.

Local knowlege to help dispose of the body, yes - but act of death as a result of drug related overdose was I Think / fell main group related?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 07, 2012, 03:41:PM
Psychic confirms Maddie is in the spirit world:-

Read article:-

(1) - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4316621/TV-psychic-Derek-Acorah-in-sick-Maddie-dead-claim.html

Hi Mike

I don't believe in Psychics and that Derek Acorah is a fake.........Sorry!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 07, 2012, 03:43:PM
I think Maddie could have died after inadvertently consuming adult recreational drugs, in the possession of one of the group, and that the other little (Tanner) girl who also consumed some of the same drug, turned out to be violently sick, but she survived. I am 99.9% certain that this is what happened. It was an accident, but her death was obviously brought on by the consumption of these recreational drugs. That was / is why they got rid of her body, because one or other of the group had in their possession illegal adult recreational drugs, which would have had serious consequences for them  (Criminally) legally and career wise...

No way Mike. There was no way they could have hidden her body....She was taken.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 03:53:PM
Hi Mike

I don't believe in Psychics and that Derek Acorah is a fake.........Sorry!  :) :) :)

I don't actually believe he is a fake. I am prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. In the example given suggesting he was proved to be a fake, what you have to remember is that there is no proof at all that Acorah overheard anything being spoken about beforehand? It is just as likely that Acorah picked up on the thoughts being projected by the would be exposee.  That is what psychics do, they appear to be able to tune in, to events past and present, living, dead, real or imaginary events. I know there are one or two charletans out there professing to be the realthing when they are not? But I for one do not think Acorah falls into that category...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 04:00:PM
I don't actually believe he is a fake. I am prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. In the example given suggesting he was proved to be a fake, what you have to remember is that there is no proof at all that Acorah overheard anything being spoken about beforehand? It is just as likely that Acorah picked up on the thoughts being projected by the would be exposee.  That is what psychics do, they appear to be able to tune in, to events past and present, living, dead, real or imaginary events. I know there are one or two charletans out there professing to be the realthing when they are not? But I for one do not think Acorah falls into that category...

It would be interesting to get Acorah into the apartment in PDL to see what he comes up with? I would also like him to visit the church and the derelect building and its grounds across the way? Also, a sit in the hire car...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 04:05:PM
No way Mike. There was no way they could have hidden her body....She was taken.  :) :) :)

She was taken, yes - out of the apartment by involvement of one or two group members, in the knowlege and with the co- opration of others. It would have been very easy to conceal her body, that part of PDL has an abudance of isolated places that could have been and were used to great effect...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 07, 2012, 04:05:PM
Hi Patti  I think Maddie was taken for what reason I don,t know,  Patti can you remember Ben Needham he was from Sheffield I think he was taken in Crete I think when he was three years old.  He would now be about 24 his Mother has never stopped looking for him but of course she had no help back then even the local police would not help for awhile.  Terrible for a parent not to know where their child is I think they will think all kinds of things and the McCanns will never forgive themselves for leaving her alone.  So so sad.   Hope you are managing to keep afloat :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 07, 2012, 04:10:PM
I think Maddie could have died after inadvertently consuming adult recreational drugs, in the possession of one of the group, and that the other little (Tanner) girl who also consumed some of the same drug, turned out to be violently sick, but she survived. I am 99.9% certain that this is what happened. It was an accident, but her death was obviously brought on by the consumption of these recreational drugs. That was / is why they got rid of her body, because one or other of the group had in their possession illegal adult recreational drugs, which would have had serious consequences for them  (Criminally) legally and career wise...

Hi Mike

Not too sure they wld have been into recreational drugs more likely just a few bottles of wine :).  By all accounts the McCanns were fitness fanatics and in my experience this doesn't go hand in hand with recreational drugs.  If they did there's no way they wld have risked carrying them through customs so they would have had to purchase them locally  :-\.  Would they have a supplier on tap and would they risk the quality from what is likely to have been an unknown source?  The medi prof are big into boozing.  More alcoholics in that profession than any other.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Buddy on July 07, 2012, 04:19:PM
IMO the parents had no involvement, But the friends may of had. This was the first visit by the Mc cannes, but not for the friends, who may have known about the tunnels.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 07, 2012, 04:20:PM
No way Mike. There was no way they could have hidden her body....She was taken.  :) :) :)

Hi Patti

Long time no speak. 

What about the body of Gareth Williams in the holdall?  Perhaps she was moved several times.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 07, 2012, 04:32:PM
IMO the parents had no involvement, But the friends may of had. This was the first visit by the Mc cannes, but not for the friends, who may have known about the tunnels.

Hi Buddy

I've never thought the McCanns had any involvement but suspected one of the so-called Tapas 7.  It's not a very nice theory and I obviously have no evidence so I will refrain from posting it.

Other possibilites are that Madeline woke up, *wandered off and was snatched by an opportunist or that she fell into the nearby roadworks which I don't believe were ever properly searched.

*This is the theory put forward my Mark Williams-Thomas who was the presenter on the recent JB docu.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Buddy on July 07, 2012, 04:53:PM
Hi Buddy

I've never thought the McCanns had any involvement but suspected one of the so-called Tapas 7.  It's not a very nice theory and I obviously have no evidence so I will refrain from posting it.

Other possibilites are that Madeline woke up, *wandered off and was snatched by an opportunist or that she fell into the nearby roadworks which I don't believe were ever properly searched.

*This is the theory put forward my Mark Williams-Thomas who was the presenter on the recent JB docu.
I respect your views E, but do not believe that Maddi wandered off. She was IMO taken by someone she knew, or she would have yelled her head off. Sadly I believe that Maddi is dead, but I would love to be proved wrong. Such a pretty girl.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 07, 2012, 04:54:PM
I don't actually believe he is a fake. I am prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. In the example given suggesting he was proved to be a fake, what you have to remember is that there is no proof at all that Acorah overheard anything being spoken about beforehand? It is just as likely that Acorah picked up on the thoughts being projected by the would be exposee.  That is what psychics do, they appear to be able to tune in, to events past and present, living, dead, real or imaginary events. I know there are one or two charletans out there professing to be the realthing when they are not? But I for one do not think Acorah falls into that category...

My Aunt went to see him a few years ago and he was bhooooo'd of stage......I don't believe in things like that Mike...I do believe in 2nd sense and spirit but not talking to aids such as Sam....He has made money out of people's sadness...It would have to be something worth while to convince me he is cosha... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 07, 2012, 05:00:PM
Hi egap1 and Buddy  if Maddie was taken what do you think the reason for this was.  Perhaps she was sold to a childless couple who would pay top dollar for a beautiful little girl or something more sinister..I think the appartment was watched and the McCanns, movements monitored and the selling of children is rife in some of the Countries outwith Britiain.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 07, 2012, 06:07:PM
Hi egap1 and Buddy  if Maddie was taken what do you think the reason for this was.  Perhaps she was sold to a childless couple who would pay top dollar for a beautiful little girl or something more sinister..I think the appartment was watched and the McCanns, movements monitored and the selling of children is rife in some of the Countries outwith Britiain.

Hi Susan

As I said my theory involving a member of the Tapas 7 is without a scrap of evidence and isn't very nice so I wldn't really feel happy posting it on the forum.  I'm sure you can use your imagination although you might prefer not to.

I don't think she was snatched to order.  She was a beautiful adorable little girl but most of them are most of the time.  Why would she be singled out?  If it was some highly organised group or even a disorganised group that wanted a child for a childless couple or a paedo ring they would have attempted a repeat either in a nearby resort if they were disorganised or further afield in Europe or Americas, Asia, Africa if organised.  As far as I'm aware there hasn't been any similar cases reported.

Statistically most child abuse/abduction is carried out by persons known.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 06:30:PM
My Aunt went to see him a few years ago and he was bhooooo'd of stage......I don't believe in things like that Mike...I do believe in 2nd sense and spirit but not talking to aids such as Sam....He has made money out of people's sadness...It would have to be something worth while to convince me he is cosha... :) :) :) :)

That's fair enough, You can believe anything or in anything you want to, but even though your aunt had that experience and related it to you, it still doesn't make me think or feel that he was / is a fake, because mediums cannot always perform to order...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 07, 2012, 06:36:PM
Hi egap1  I am still confused as to why Maddie would disappear if not snatched to order.  You probably wont remember Ben Needham who was abducted outside his grandparents home in Greece in 199l he was 21months old never been seen or heard of since.  His poor Mother is still looking for him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 07, 2012, 06:40:PM
That's fair enough, You can believe anything or in anything you want to, but even though your aunt had that experience and related it to you, it still doesn't make me think or feel that he was / is a fake, because mediums cannot always perform to order...

Mike I love my Aunt dearly, she sat in a circle for 10 years and claims to see things that no ordinary people can see. She tells me some right ole stories...My Aunt is convinced in her own mind that she sees things and hears things; I don't doubt that she does and, she is one that does not lie.....but, as much as love her, I don't believe in that sort of thing...

You are correct we all have different beliefs.....I have had some rather strange things happen to me, but there has always been a logical explanation for them, except for one incident that no one could explain......

There is something false about that guy in my eyes, Mike......BTW, I have just posted something about Betty Shrine over on book review thread regarding what she said to Colin.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 07, 2012, 07:16:PM
Hi egap1  I am still confused as to why Maddie would disappear if not snatched to order.  You probably wont remember Ben Needham who was abducted outside his grandparents home in Greece in 199l he was 21months old never been seen or heard of since.  His poor Mother is still looking for him.

Hi Susan

I will pm you my theory on Maddie but I have to go for the daily run now so it will have to be tomorrow.

I do remember the Ben Needham case.  Again my theory on this involves the family.  Watched a docu a while back and apparently one theory is that Ben's uncle took Ben on the back of his motorbike, as was often the case, but on this occasion he fell fatally.  The brother who was young, late teens/early twenties, panicked and buried Ben on a nearby building site. :(  That's what I believe happened  :(

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 07:16:PM
Mike I love my Aunt dearly, she sat in a circle for 10 years and claims to see things that no ordinary people can see. She tells me some right ole stories...My Aunt is convinced in her own mind that she sees things and hears things; I don't doubt that she does and, she is one that does not lie.....but, as much as love her, I don't believe in that sort of thing...

You are correct we all have different beliefs.....I have had some rather strange things happen to me, but there has always been a logical explanation for them, except for one incident that no one could explain......

There is something false about that guy in my eyes, Mike......BTW, I have just posted something about Betty Shrine over on book review thread regarding what she said to Colin.... :) :) :) :)

Thanks for that, it was a most interesting explanation - I also believe and know that there are some amongst us who do have a very strong sixth sense, which appears to be amplified in so many ways depending upon who that person is, and the type of subject matter they get these feelings about?  Some people appear to be able to sense danger, sense if someone is telling the truth, sense well - being, unhappiness, luck, love, misfortune, or impending danger or misfortune.  I am one such person, I posses a very strong sense when I visit certain places or buildings, or when I meet people, or see photographs of them. This ability / affliction quite often is so overpowering that it causes me to lose sleep. In the case of Acorah, I get the impression that he is genuine, although I accept that he put a bit of a show on when he starred in the TV series, "Most haunted"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 07, 2012, 07:24:PM
Wow egap1  thanks for the info on Ben Needham I did read that they thought after an accident he was buried near to the farmhouse.  Enjoy your run. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 07:28:PM
There are those in the group who know, exactly what fate befell Maddie...

"Mr Mike, don't let them forget where I am"...

I won't...

I won't...

I won't...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 07, 2012, 08:46:PM
Wow egap1  thanks for the info on Ben Needham I did read that they thought after an accident he was buried near to the farmhouse.  Enjoy your run. :)

Hi Susan, yes I remember the Ben Needham disappearance well, for the family came from my town.  I never followed it like the Madeleine case.

It was said at the time that workmen saw a white car parked in the lane at the time Ben disappeared, but I don't think it was ever followed up.

I just found this, whilst you get ready for your pole dancing lol  ;D ;D
http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/investigation.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 07, 2012, 08:51:PM
seems to have been rather a concerted efort by the police to find a scapegoat and i must wonder why this is.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 07, 2012, 08:51:PM
Thanks for that, it was a most interesting explanation - I also believe and know that there are some amongst us who do have a very strong sixth sense, which appears to be amplified in so many ways depending upon who that person is, and the type of subject matter they get these feelings about?  Some people appear to be able to sense danger, sense if someone is telling the truth, sense well - being, unhappiness, luck, love, misfortune, or impending danger or misfortune.  I am one such person, I posses a very strong sense when I visit certain places or buildings, or when I meet people, or see photographs of them. This ability / affliction quite often is so overpowering that it causes me to lose sleep. In the case of Acorah, I get the impression that he is genuine, although I accept that he put a bit of a show on when he starred in the TV series, "Most haunted"...

Hi Mike

Have you always felt this way? I wish I could believe in things like that.....It is true that there are many stories surrounding psychic's and there ability to see things out of the ordinary....It's amazes me how one can have this knowledge. I suppose the mind is incredible in it's own way....one wonders if the mind holds many things we have yet to discover.

The Most Haunted series was rubbish....That blond never shut up, she was enough to make any ghost jump.....lol  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 09:23:PM
Hi Mike

Have you always felt this way? I wish I could believe in things like that.....It is true that there are many stories surrounding psychic's and there ability to see things out of the ordinary....It's amazes me how one can have this knowledge. I suppose the mind is incredible in it's own way....one wonders if the mind holds many things we have yet to discover.

The Most Haunted series was rubbish....That blond never shut up, she was enough to make any ghost jump.....lol  :) :) :) :)

It was  tv series, after all...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2012, 09:57:PM
Remains of Maddie allegedly found close to apartment where she went missing from:-

(1) - http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/i-ve-found-maddie-cape-man-1.1336216

Location of body appears to have been found between 410 and 426 foot away from the apartment where Maddie went missing from, which places Murat back in the frame if Maddies remains are found buried at identified spot. It should also be remembered that Murat was /is a property agent who had the keys for the derelict building in his possession, or at least he had access to the building at the time Maddie went missing in 2007...

(2) - http://regretsandramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_959-e1332369512893.jpg

(3) - http://regretsandramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/casaliliana.jpg
(4) - http://regretsandramblings.com/2012/03/22/murats-home/
(5) - http://regretsandramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/murats-Property-e1332371664548.jpg
(6) - http://regretsandramblings.com/2012/07/07/expresso-interview-birch/
(7) - http://regretsandramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ClearMuratHouseDM_468x291.jpg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 08, 2012, 07:45:AM
Morning Patti  thanks for the thread on Ben Needham very informative the Greek Police just a waste of space. Don,t pole dance Saturdays just Friday and an odd one during the week, :) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 08, 2012, 07:48:AM
Morning egap1  read the thread put up by Patti last night on Ben Needham.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 08, 2012, 09:07:AM
Morning Patti  thanks for the thread on Ben Needham very informative the Greek Police just a waste of space. Don,t pole dance Saturdays just Friday and an odd one during the week, :) ;) ;)

Morning Susan, you must give me some tips on how to swing round a pole using one leg hahahahah

The police investigation of Ben's, mirror that of the PJ in Portugal a disaster....

Some case just remain a mystery and most likely will never be solved....this is where theories begin....I believe in both cases the children were taken.

Child trafficking is rife in Europe..... several children had disappeared over the 7 years in a 20 mile radius to PDL....Amaral got the sack for his handling of the missing Portuguese girl prior to the disappearance of Madeleine, he was disgraced as a copper, then came the book...tsk!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 08, 2012, 09:19:AM
Sara Sofia Lopes Dos Santos missing 2009 aged 3
Madeleine B McCann Aged 3
Sofia Catarina de Oliveags aged 2
Paula Mesquita Mendes age 6

Just a few missing missing children from 2005...  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 08, 2012, 09:25:AM
Not sure if this is correct, but it says 30 children have disappeared since Madeleine.  The PJ say it was very rare....surely that is a lie...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4296421/30-kids-lost-in-Portugal-since-Maddie-went-missing.html?oo=41627709
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 08, 2012, 09:59:AM
Good Morning Patti and my other loyal subject Bridget.,  I think Maddie and Ben were both taken and sold and it was a planned abduction don,t really agree with egaps theory that Ben fell off is Uncle,s motorbike and died and was buried in panic on the building site.  Think she said she watched a programme on it so it may have been somebody elses theory.  Surprised you only have one leg I am sure Bridget mentioned earlier that you had 4 when you said she was super clued to your back leg :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2012, 10:38:AM
More news links to find / discovery of Maddies grave at Murats property:-

(1) - http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/sa-man-found-maddie-s-grave-claim-1.1335678
(2) - http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/07/06/british-detectives-investigate-maddie-grave-claims/
(3) - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-probe-madeleine-grave-theory-215231168.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2012, 01:26:PM
Seems like someone made a huge booby and the property where Murat lived was not searched at all - his mothers property was though (Next door)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 08, 2012, 07:11:PM
Good Morning Patti and my other loyal subject Bridget.,  I think Maddie and Ben were both taken and sold and it was a planned abduction don,t really agree with egaps theory that Ben fell off is Uncle,s motorbike and died and was buried in panic on the building site.  Think she said she watched a programme on it so it may have been somebody elses theory.  Surprised you only have one leg I am sure Bridget mentioned earlier that you had 4 when you said she was super clued to your back leg :)

Hi Susan :) I had two legs when I last looked, sometimes wish I had a few more, so I could win my dog at catch ball....

To be fair we don't know what happened to either of them, but I don't go with murder within the family, but on saying that it is more likely, but I doubt it in these two cases.... :) :) :)

Where is Bridget...whoof whoof... :D :D :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 08, 2012, 07:17:PM
Hi Patti  Bridget has gone since Alfie arrived on the forum :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 08, 2012, 07:22:PM
Hi Patti  Bridget has gone since Alfie arrived on the forum :) :) :)

Ha! She is probably ironing...lol

Where is Keira?  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 08, 2012, 07:26:PM
Hi Patti  goodness knows where that Bridget has gone hope it is not up a storm drain her favourite place to be in the rain. :)  Think Keira is just having a rest she is so busy with her work and house and being a mod and looking after her wee cat who is not very well but she will be back really miss her.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 08, 2012, 08:11:PM
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Where is Keira?

I emailed her but she must be busy?  Hopefully we will see her on the forum soon  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 08, 2012, 09:50:PM
I emailed her but she must be busy?  Hopefully we will see her on the forum soon  :)

Hi Rochford

Yes I was wondering about Nuala.  I hope she's ok.  Perhaps she has a problem with her cat.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 08, 2012, 10:06:PM
Good Morning Patti and my other loyal subject Bridget.,  I think Maddie and Ben were both taken and sold and it was a planned abduction don,t really agree with egaps theory that Ben fell off is Uncle,s motorbike and died and was buried in panic on the building site.  Think she said she watched a programme on it so it may have been somebody elses theory.  Surprised you only have one leg I am sure Bridget mentioned earlier that you had 4 when you said she was super clued to your back leg :)

Hi Susan

Yes I think I said it was my theory but I just typed that in a hurry I meant to say it was my belief. Initially I didn't know what to think other than sympathy for the family.  But having watched the docu I believe it was a tragic accident.  Ben's uncle was only 17 and I think he just panicked and then found there was no turning back.  :(

If you're interested in murder mystery cases check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont_children_disappearance

Imagine losing all three of your children in mysterious circumstances with no conclusion.  Poor family  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2012, 10:33:PM
I wonder how long it will take the Portuguese police to go and dig up the grounds at Murats place?

I was told it would all be over and done with within three weeks, so why the delay? Tell ya what though, there will be one or two worried group members expecting the police to come a knocking at their door any time soon if it turns out to be where Maddie has finally been laid to rest?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 09, 2012, 07:45:AM
Morning egap1  Thanks for the post on the Beaumont children what a creepy story the poor parents having to live with the disappearance of their three children.  Does not bear thinking about. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: egap1 on July 09, 2012, 12:35:PM
Thanks for that, it was a most interesting explanation - I also believe and know that there are some amongst us who do have a very strong sixth sense, which appears to be amplified in so many ways depending upon who that person is, and the type of subject matter they get these feelings about?  Some people appear to be able to sense danger, sense if someone is telling the truth, sense well - being, unhappiness, luck, love, misfortune, or impending danger or misfortune.  I am one such person, I posses a very strong sense when I visit certain places or buildings, or when I meet people, or see photographs of them. This ability / affliction quite often is so overpowering that it causes me to lose sleep. In the case of Acorah, I get the impression that he is genuine, although I accept that he put a bit of a show on when he starred in the TV series, "Most haunted"...

Hi Mike

What you consider to be your sixth sense may be linked to the way you process info see attached:

http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/a/left-brain-right-brain.htm

I personally don't believe in psychics, palm readers, horoscopes etc, etc but I do believe there's some truth in the above and that some people have an acute sense of intuition.

Apparently most children have a sixth sense which they gradually lose.  As a child I had an imaginary friend  :) My parents said they wld usher me in the car and go to close the door and I wld say "No Jinnty hasn't got in yet" Or the table wld be laid and I'd say "You haven't set a place for Jinnty".  When I obtained a copy of my original birth cert I discovered my birth mother's name was Jennifer aka Jenny which is kind of similar to Jinnty.  Probably just a coincidence. :-\ 

I wonder if Sheila had an imaginary friend and if she did if June was as accommodating as my adoptive parents were?

Anyone want to fess up about having an imaginary friend?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Janet on July 09, 2012, 12:47:PM
Hi Mike

What you consider to be your sixth sense may be linked to the way you process info see attached:

http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/a/left-brain-right-brain.htm

I personally don't believe in psychics, palm readers, horoscopes etc, etc but I do believe there's some truth in the above and that some people have an acute sense of intuition.

Apparently most children have a sixth sense which they gradually lose.  As a child I had an imaginary friend  :) My parents said they wld usher me in the car and go to close the door and I wld say "No Jinnty hasn't got in yet" Or the table wld be laid and I'd say "You haven't set a place for Jinnty".  When I obtained a copy of my original birth cert I discovered my birth mother's name was Jennifer aka Jenny which is kind of similar to Jinnty.  Probably just a coincidence. :-\ 

I wonder if Sheila had an imaginary friend and if she did if June was as accommodating as my adoptive parents were?

Anyone want to fess up about having an imaginary friend?


I had one as a child too.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jane on July 09, 2012, 03:33:PM
Hi Mike

What you consider to be your sixth sense may be linked to the way you process info see attached:

http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/a/left-brain-right-brain.htm

I personally don't believe in psychics, palm readers, horoscopes etc, etc but I do believe there's some truth in the above and that some people have an acute sense of intuition.

Apparently most children have a sixth sense which they gradually lose.  As a child I had an imaginary friend  :) My parents said they wld usher me in the car and go to close the door and I wld say "No Jinnty hasn't got in yet" Or the table wld be laid and I'd say "You haven't set a place for Jinnty".  When I obtained a copy of my original birth cert I discovered my birth mother's name was Jennifer aka Jenny which is kind of similar to Jinnty.  Probably just a coincidence. :-\ 

I wonder if Sheila had an imaginary friend and if she did if June was as accommodating as my adoptive parents were?

Anyone want to fess up about having an imaginary friend?


Hi, egap. What do you mean, imaginary!!!!!? William was real, it wasn't my fault if others couldn't see him!!!! Mind you, he was rather naughty!!!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 12, 2012, 12:04:AM
View the evidence showing where the body of Maddie McCann is buried, obtained by Stephen Birch, at the Murat property, PDL - on the following you tube link:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQhe05pkcYg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 12, 2012, 12:14:AM
View the evidence showing where the body of Maddie McCann is buried, obtained by Stephen Birch, at the Murat property, PDL - on the following you tube link:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQhe05pkcYg
Very interesting.  I wonder what will happen as a result of this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 14, 2012, 08:00:AM
A further link to Stephen Birch find of Maddie grave:-

(1) - http://expresso.sapo.pt/conheca-o-sul-africano-que-diz-ter-descoberto-restos-mortais-de-maddie=f737713
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 14, 2012, 08:06:AM
A further link to Stephen Birch find of Maddie grave:-

(1) - http://expresso.sapew seciond driveway at the Murat premises, I would like to think that they will also look into the original grave site at the derelict property across the road from the church at PDLo.pt/conheca-o-sul-africano-que-diz-ter-descoberto-restos-mortais-de-maddie=f737713

Whilst Scotland yard and Portuguese police are contemplating whether or not to dig up the second driveway at the Murat premises, I would also like to think that they will also go to the grounds of the derelict building across the road from the church at PDL, where the body of Maddie was taken and originally buried. There is a link between Murat and his associates and the derelict building that I identified...

To view ghost of "Maddie photograph" please visit following link address:-

(1) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=1117;image

Here is the original site where body of Maddie was hidden:-

(2) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=2202;image
(3) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=2192;image
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 14, 2012, 08:33:AM
I believe these were / are the clothes worn by the person who carried off Maddie that night:-

(1) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=2158;image
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 15, 2012, 01:37:AM
Latest up to date news about find of Maddie grave:-

(1) - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/260768
(2) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/06/madeleine-mccanns-grave-found_n_1653768.html
(3) - http://indepth.news.sky.com/InDepth/topic/Madeleine%20McCann
(4) - http://www.metro.co.uk/news/904404-madeleine-mccann-in-portugal-grave-theory-being-examined-by-police
(5) - http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/07/06/british-detectives-investigate-maddie-grave-claims/
(6) - http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2012/07/06/has-madeleine-mccanns-grave-been-found-by-a-saffa/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 15, 2012, 02:11:AM
Thanks for those links Mike.  Well, there's only one thing for it, isn't there!  Where's the harm in digging a little hole?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 15, 2012, 02:15:AM
Thanks for those links Mike.  Well, there's only one thing for it, isn't there!  Where's the harm in digging a little hole?

I agree...

I wonder who laid the driveway, and when?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2012, 11:17:AM
I understand Stephen Birch is going back to Portugal to assist the Portuguese lolice who have provisionally re-opened the case...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 16, 2012, 05:14:PM
I understand Stephen Birch is going back to Portugal to assist the Portuguese lolice who have provisionally re-opened the case...
Thanks for the update Mike, sounds very promising.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Buddy on July 17, 2012, 05:31:PM
"Come and get me, Mr Mike, make them come and find me"...
To be honest mike I think your emotions have overtaken the facts. Maddie does not know you from Adam. If she was crying from the grave then surely she would be crying for mummy, or daddy.
Sadly I believe that Maddie is dead, but do not think that her parents had any part in her death. I do think that it was stupidity to leave the childen alone, but they must have thought it was safe, as they were close at hand, and were making regular visits to the house.
You are not posessed with magical powers[ I think], so we can only have assumptions.
All this Mr Mike does nothing for me, though I would be happy to be proved wrong.
TBH I am more interested in springing Jeremy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 17, 2012, 05:48:PM
i think the mcans were accused for a reson there seems to me to have been a delbrate efort to frame them
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 04:40:AM
"Come and get me, Mr Mike, make them come and find me"...

Ghost of Maddie photograph:-

(1) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=1161;image
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: bob on July 19, 2012, 11:04:AM
i think the mcans were accused for a reson there seems to me to have been a delbrate efort to frame them
That's right nugnug. It seems almost certain now, that they were getting to the truth about the framing of Bamber, so they had to be framed  ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on July 19, 2012, 04:24:PM
I think it was natural for the McCanns to fall under suspicion. People jsut do not understand how parents could leave their children in a hotel room - it doesn't add up logically.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 19, 2012, 05:10:PM
Hi Mat I have always wondered why they left Maddie alone as it would appear the complex offered baby sitting service free of charge and for peace of mind they could have used the service.  They are certainly suffering now and will do till the end of their days I think. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 19, 2012, 05:28:PM
I think it was natural for the McCanns to fall under suspicion. People jsut do not understand how parents could leave their children in a hotel room - it doesn't add up logically.
Mat, lot's of people leave their sleeping children in hotel rooms, or did before this event. Rightly or wongly, I knew lots of people who did when my children where small.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on July 19, 2012, 05:31:PM
I don't think it is the what the majority do though, which is why the McCanns came under fire, people were repulsed.

I can't imagine leaving my son in a hotel room whilst I went out to eat with friends, I just wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 19, 2012, 05:38:PM
Hi Mags  I could never have left my son on his own the only person I ever did leave him with was my own Mother because I knew if he woke up he would feel safe but we are all different :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 19, 2012, 05:40:PM
I don't think it is the what the majority do though, which is why the McCanns came under fire, people were repulsed.

I can't imagine leaving my son in a hotel room whilst I went out to eat with friends, I just wouldn't do it.
I agree with you when I was in a hotel when my children were small if I went out of the room I had a baby listening device even if I was using the hotel baby sitting service but many people would leave their children in a hotel bedroom while they ate etc.,, just checking on them every so often.  Times have changed since then and most people didn't see anything wrong with it.  I wa a fusspot with my kids compared to most.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 19, 2012, 05:48:PM
Hi Mags  I could never have left my son on his own the only person I ever did leave him with was my own Mother because I knew if he woke up he would feel safe but we are all different :)
I know susie, I always worried about them waking up with me not  there, but honestly I used to go on weekend breaks with loads of other people with babies etc., they used to leave them asleep in their rooms while they went and ate dinner, had drinks etc.  I think a lot of people pretended later after the McCann case that they didn't but loads of people did.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 19, 2012, 05:55:PM
Hi Mags  I know what you mean I use to go on a "girls night out" and we would be in the pub till closing time one of the girls was a single Mother and she use to leave her small daughter home alone asleep I once asked her what would happen if the child woke up she said oh she wont do that.  Of course now you would be, quite rightly so, be prosecuted  for such a thing.  The thoughts of leaving my boy alone gives me goose bumps even now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 19, 2012, 06:00:PM
Hi Mags  I know what you mean I use to go on a "girls night out" and we would be in the pub till closing time one of the girls was a single Mother and she use to leave her small daughter home alone asleep I once asked her what would happen if the child woke up she said oh she wont do that.  Of course now you would be, quite rightly so, be prosecuted  for such a thing.  The thoughts of leaving my boy alone gives me goose bumps even now.
I know susie, that's really awful, but I suppose people did it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 19, 2012, 06:39:PM
Back in the day at British holiday camps, parents would get their children off to sleep and head off to the entertainment centre for a drink.  Staff would patrol the chalets and if they heard children crying inside, the chalet number would come up on a display in the entertainment hall, to alert the parents. 

The McCanns apartment was within sight of the bar they were eating/drinking at.  My guess is that the abducter knew the McCanns routine and took their opportunity.  I found the treatment that they received after Maddies disappearance, very unsavory.  I can't imagine the stress that they must have been under.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 19, 2012, 06:52:PM
Back in the day at British holiday camps, parents would get their children off to sleep and head off to the entertainment centre for a drink.  Staff would patrol the chalets and if they heard children crying inside, the chalet number would come up on a display in the entertainment hall, to alert the parents. 

The McCanns apartment was within sight of the bar they were eating/drinking at.  My guess is that the abducter knew the McCanns routine and took their opportunity.  I found the treatment that they received after Maddies disappearance, very unsavory.  I can't imagine the stress that they must have been under.
It's true Neil, at least they could see the apartment, when in a dining room or bar at an hotel you couldn't even see the room, it could be miles way.  No one thought, there may be a fire nevermind someone creeping in through a patio door or something and pinching them.
It is sadly, because of the dissappearance of Madeleine McCann that we are now so much more aware. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 19, 2012, 07:17:PM
It's true Neil, at least they could see the apartment, when in a dining room or bar at an hotel you couldn't even see the room, it could be miles way.  No one thought, there may be a fire nevermind someone creeping in through a patio door or something and pinching them.
It is sadly, because of the dissappearance of Madeleine McCann that we are now so much more aware.
Quite right Maggie, I bet no one would dare leave their kids in such circumstances after that.  I couldn't leave my kids like that, just because I would feel really mean. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 19, 2012, 07:20:PM
Quite right Maggie, I bet no one would dare leave their kids in such circumstances after that.  I couldn't leave my kids like that, just because I would feel really mean.
Yes, Neil the thought of them waking up in a strange room on their own worried me too much, I do feel for the McCann's and anyone else it has happened to, it's the worst possible nightmare.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on July 19, 2012, 08:11:PM
Although they could see the apartment, they couldn't see all angles of the complex and they couldn't see the room in which the children where in.

To me it seems like looknig at your front door and waiting for something to happen, when all along you've left the back door out of view.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 19, 2012, 08:34:PM
Although they could see the apartment, they couldn't see all angles of the complex and they couldn't see the room in which the children where in.

To me it seems like looknig at your front door and waiting for something to happen, when all along you've left the back door out of view.
Of course you are right Mat but physiologically, perhaps being able to see the apartment gave them a false sense of security.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on July 19, 2012, 08:35:PM
Of course you are right Mat but physiologically, perhaps being able to see the apartment gave them a false sense of security.

Yeah that's a good point.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 08:47:PM
Funny thing about the night Maddie went missing - none of the other members iof the so called tapas group knew that the McCanns had left the patio door on the poolside of the apartment open until just before the 9:30pm check, when two group members volunteered to go and check apartment 5A on behalf of the McCanns...

Key feature in my opinion relating to her disappearance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on July 19, 2012, 08:48:PM
Mike, by left the doors open do you mean unlocked or open as in not closed?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 09:06:PM
Mike, by left the doors open do you mean unlocked or open as in not closed?

My understanding is that the McCanns had always left the patio door which leads out on  to the veranda unlocked (but pulled too) when they went out to wine and dine at the poolside tapas bar, and that they did not alert anyone to this fact, and no-one amongst their group suspected them of doing it,  until just before 9:30pm, on the evening that Maddie went missing. This came about because one of the volunteers asked for the key to the apartment and he was told by Kate McCann that there was no need for use of such a key because the patio door on the pool side of the apartment (which could just about be seen from where the McCanns were situated) had been left unlocked and could be slid open? You then had the check made by the two volunteers, and the contradictory accounts about whether they went into the apartment, or listened at the patio door?  One thing is for sure and that is that Maddie was not taken from the apartment by anyone using the patio door visible from the poolside tapas restaurant...

Now...

If Maddie had already been taken by the time these two volunteers offered to go and check the McCann apartment at about 9:30pm, how strange that any would be abductor would know not to use the unlocked patio doors on the poolside of the building, considering that no-one knew this to be true, until Kate told one of the two volunteers at about 9:30pm, and that as a result of this information being passed by Kate to the volunteer, that he should go along to the apartment with another and return saying that everything was tickety boo, with the McCann kids at that time? Oddly, the other volunteer did not return back to the tapas bar, until much later, which begs the question did this volunteer play any role in Maddies disappearance? If Maddie was in bed inside apartment 5a at the time of the 9:30pm check, then one of the two volunteers was away from the tapas bar at about the right moment when Maddie was taken after the so called 9:30pm check...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 09:14:PM
I have personally stood on the veranda by the aforementioned patio doors (of apartment 5a) and looked back across to where the tapas bar restaurant was / is situated and even at night you would be able to see any activity if anyone went into the apartment through these patio doors from the vantage point of where the McCanns claim they were when the 9:30pm check was made or undertaken - and it is rather peculiar that neither parent claims they saw either of the two volunteers enter the apartment via the unlocked patio doors?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on July 19, 2012, 09:17:PM
My understanding is that the McCanns had always left the patio door which leads out on  to the veranda unlocked (but pulled too) when they went out to wine and dine at the poolside tapas bar, and that they did not alert anyone to this fact, and no-one amongst their group suspected them of doing it,  until just before 9:30pm, on the evening that Maddie went missing. This came about because one of the volunteers asked for the key to the apartment and he was told by Kate McCann that there was no need for use of such a key because the patio door on the pool side of the apartment (which could just about be seen from where the McCanns were situated) had been left unlocked and could be slid open? You then had the check made by the two volunteers, and the contradictory accounts about whether they went into the apartment, or listened at the patio door?  One thing is for sure and that is that Maddie was not taken from the apartment by anyone using the patio door visible from the poolside tapas restaurant...

Now...

If Maddie had already been taken by the time these two volunteers offered to go and check the McCann apartment at about 9:30pm, how strange that any would be abductor would know not to use the unlocked patio doors on the poolside of the building, considering that no-one knew this to be true, until Kate told one of the two volunteers at about 9:30pm, and that as a result of this information being passed by Kate to the volunteer, that he should go along to the apartment with another and return saying that everything was tickety boo, with the McCann kids at that time? Oddly, the other volunteer did not return back to the tapas bar, until much later, which begs the question did this volunteer play any role in Maddies disappearance? If Maddie was in bed inside apartment 5a at the time of the 9:30pm check, then one of the two volunteers was away from the tapas bar at about the right moment when Maddie was taken after the so called 9:30pm check...

That's interesting. That's actually...compelling.

I have personally stood on the veranda by the aforementioned patio doors (of apartment 5a) and looked back across to where the tapas bar restaurant was / is situated and even at night you would be able to see any activity if anyone went into the apartment through these patio doors from the vantage point of where the McCanns claim they were when the 9:30pm check was made or undertaken - and it is rather peculiar that neither parent claims they saw either of the two volunteers enter the apartment via the unlocked patio doors?

From the tapas bar what windows/doors are there that wouldn't be in sight?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 09:28:PM
That's interesting. That's actually...compelling.

From the tapas bar what windows/doors are there that wouldn't be in sight?

The door and the all the windows on the road side of the apartment, and the window on the gable end of apartment 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 09:33:PM
Lets look at this from a different perspective - we have the second volunteer staying behind at his own apartment to look after a sick child at about the time Maddie goes missing from apartment 5a - and his partner just so happens to be the witness who claims she saw a long haired zombie type of a man carrying off a child in his arms earlier in the evening in the general direction of Robert Murats villa? She is also absent at the time Kate leaves the tapas bar to do her 10pm check at the time she discovers Maddie to have been taken - "They have taken her, Maddie is gone"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 19, 2012, 09:36:PM
It was Matthew Oldfield that checked on Madeleine about 9:30 before Kate's check just before 10pm. Matthew did not enter the room, he sees the twins, but does not see Madeleine.  If only he had entered the bedroom.

When Kate entered the apartment, she experienced, what I would call a vortex when she was about to close the bedroom door, it slammed shut. This is important, because it means there has to be two open windows or doors...in the apartment, but she claimed to have closed the patio door too. She then enters the bedroom and the shutter was up and the window open....

The served a purpose, but it was forensically proved that the window had not been used. The window was opened for a reason....for an escape by an abductor. This method is used by any tactical team...It was also used by the WHF team raid.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 09:37:PM
Lets look at this from a different perspective - we have the second volunteer staying behind at his own apartment to look after a sick child at about the time Maddie goes missing from apartment 5a - and his partner just so happens to be the witness who claims she saw a long haired zombie type of a man carrying off a child in his arms earlier in the evening in the general direction of Robert Murats villa? She is also absent at the time Kate leaves the tapas bar to do her 10pm check at the time she discovers Maddie to have been taken - "They have taken her, Maddie is gone"...

Lo and behold, it is these persons who thrust Robert Murat into the fray, by claiming that they had seen him hanging around the apartment block on the night Maddie went missing -  a fact consistently denied by Murat...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 09:46:PM
It was Matthew Oldfield that checked on Madeleine about 9:30 before Kate's check just before 10pm. Matthew did not enter the room, he sees the twins, but does not see Madeleine.  If only he had entered the bedroom.

When Kate entered the apartment, she experienced, what I would call a vortex when she was about to close the bedroom door, it slammed shut. This is important, because it means there has to be two open windows or doors...in the apartment, but she claimed to have closed the patio door too. She then enters the bedroom and the shutter was up and the window open....

The served a purpose, but it was forensically proved that the window had not been used. The window was opened for a reason....for an escape by an abductor. This method is used by any tactical team...It was also used by the WHF team raid.  :) :) :)

Vortex could only have been created or generated because two windows, or a window and a door was open at the same time. I know this to be true, because whilst I was staying in the next apartment block which had a very similar design to the layout inside apartment 5a, I carried out and conducted experiments to see what could have caused the vortex which Kate McCann describes having occurred. The fact is, that if the bedroom window had been open when Kate first opened the unlocked patio door to enter the apartment at the time of her 10pm check, the bedroom door would almost certainly have slammed shut at that stage or time. Similarly, if the door on the roadside of the apartment had already been open when Kate entered apartment 5a via the unlocked patio door, the bedroom door would again have slammed shut by the dynamics of the vortex, aforementioned...

Fact is...

When Kate entered apartment 5a at the time of her 10pm check, there was no window or door open, otherwise the bedroom door would have almost certainly slammed shut, but it did not, at least not until later...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 19, 2012, 09:53:PM
Vortex could only have been created or generated because two windows, or a window and a door was open at the same time. I know this to be true, because whilst I was staying in the next apartment block which had a very similar design to the layout inside apartment 5a, I carried out and conducted experiments to see what could have caused the vortex which Kate McCann describes having occurred. The fact is, that if the bedroom window had been open when Kate first opened the unlocked patio door to enter the apartment at the time of her 10pm check, the bedroom door would almost certainly have slammed shut at that stage or time. Similarly, if the door on the roadside of the apartment had already been open when Kate entered apartment 5a via the unlocked patio door, the bedroom door would again have slammed shut by the dynamics of the vortex, aforementioned...

Fact is...

When Kate entered apartment 5a at the time of her 10pm check, there was no window or door open, otherwise the bedroom door would have almost certainly slammed shut, but it did not, at least not until later...

I have tried the same Mike....My son thinks I have lost the plot sometimes. But I did the experiment in my own home upstairs, because the downstairs doors are too heavy. I left my bedroom window open and opened my bathroom window...at first I could not get anything to happen, so I left the door ajar for a while....My son came in the front door and guess what, my bedroom door slammed shut....

Could there have been someone inside the apartment when Kate was there? Was it an intruder going back for the twins and crept out of either the front door or back door...

I'm like you with Mike there had to be another souse of air coming in...to cause the vortex... :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 09:59:PM
Vortex could only have been created or generated because two windows, or a window and a door was open at the same time. I know this to be true, because whilst I was staying in the next apartment block which had a very similar design to the layout inside apartment 5a, I carried out and conducted experiments to see what could have caused the vortex which Kate McCann describes having occurred. The fact is, that if the bedroom window had been open when Kate first opened the unlocked patio door to enter the apartment at the time of her 10pm check, the bedroom door would almost certainly have slammed shut at that stage or time. Similarly, if the door on the roadside of the apartment had already been open when Kate entered apartment 5a via the unlocked patio door, the bedroom door would again have slammed shut by the dynamics of the vortex, aforementioned...

Fact is...

When Kate entered apartment 5a at the time of her 10pm check, there was no window or door open, otherwise the bedroom door would have almost certainly slammed shut, but it did not, at least not until later...

I was very meticulous in the way I carried out these experiments, and I came to the conclusion that if Kate closed the unlocked patio door behind her when she first went into apartment 5a during her 10pm check, then of course there could be no vortex to cause the bedroom door to slam shut once she had closed the patio door, as she claimed she had done, providing the bedroom window, or another door (roadside) was not open at that time or by that stage. So in a nutshell, when Kate entered 5a, via patio door there was no window or other door open at that stage. She then closes the patio door and goes to check on her children...

As she walks inside apartment 5a, she makes her way to the bedroom door which has not slammed shut at this stage. She can see the door on the roadside of the apartment and it must have been closed otherwise she would have easily been able to see it in the open position? But let us assume that the roadside door is fractionally open and Kate did not notice this for whatever reason, and she pushed the bedroom door open and takes a peak inside and reports that she could see the twins, but did not physically see Maddie,. But what she notices is that the door is slightly open wider than when it had been set earlier when she and Jerry had gone out to eat. She resets the bedroom door and then Whooosh, the bedroom door slams shut, and she quickly opens the door to the bedroom and as she does so, the curtains fly open and she can see the window is open and the steel shutter raised...

Sorry - I just do not believe this account, it is too far fetched and can easily be exposed as untrue...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 19, 2012, 10:03:PM
mmmmmm What about if there was a build up of air? Maybe she didn't close the patio doors?

Mike I need to ask you if you have any statements from Elliot, regarding the window at WHF?

Good night to you..  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 19, 2012, 10:05:PM
mmmmmm What about if there was a build up of air? Maybe she didn't close the patio doors?

Mike I need to ask you if you have any statements from Elliot, regarding the window at WHF?

Good night to you..  :) :) :)
Night Patti ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 19, 2012, 10:08:PM
Night Patti ;D

Just caught you maggie...good night to you. X
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2012, 10:11:PM
I have tried the same Mike....My son thinks I have lost the plot sometimes. But I did the experiment in my own home upstairs, because the downstairs doors are too heavy. I left my bedroom window open and opened my bathroom window...at first I could not get anything to happen, so I left the door ajar for a while....My son came in the front door and guess what, my bedroom door slammed shut....

Could there have been someone inside the apartment when Kate was there? Was it an intruder going back for the twins and crept out of either the front door or back door...

I'm like you with Mike there had to be another souse of air coming in...to cause the vortex... :) :) :)

I think Jane Tanner was there with Kate in the apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2012, 05:11:AM
KEY FEATURES WORTHY OF RECONSIDERATION:-
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(1) - The very first occasion that anyone other than the McCanns, knew the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, was when Kate told one of the group this at around 9:30pm. This is significant because any would be abductor did not force any window shutter to gain access to the premises. Whoever took Maddie or removed her body from apartment 5a, did so by entering the premises via (a) the unlocked patio door on the poolside of the premises or (b) by use of a door key to the door on the roadside of the premises. This is very interesting because the person who gave the information to one of the group that access to apartment 5a at around 9:30pm, and the person who had control and possession of the keys to the roadside door at the time Maddie was discovered to be missing, was / is Kate McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2012, 10:51:AM
KEY FEATURES WORTHY OF RECONSIDERATION:-
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(1) - The very first occasion that anyone other than the McCanns, knew the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, was when Kate told one of the group this at around 9:30pm. This is significant because any would be abductor did not force any window shutter to gain access to the premises. Whoever took Maddie or removed her body from apartment 5a, did so by entering the premises via (a) the unlocked patio door on the poolside of the premises or (b) by use of a door key to the door on the roadside of the premises. This is very interesting because the person who gave the information to one of the group that access to apartment 5a at around 9:30pm, and the person who had control and possession of the keys to the roadside door at the time Maddie was discovered to be missing, was / is Kate McCann...

(2) - Jane Tanners sighting of the faceless man carrying off the child who could have been Maddie, conveniently takes the two group members who learned about the patio doors of apartment 5a being left unlocked at around 9:30pm, out of the equation and they did not find out about that until 20 minutes or so after Jane Tanner saw the child in the mans arms (around 9:10pm) - how lnconvenient was / is that?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on July 20, 2012, 04:59:PM
(2) - Jane Tanners sighting of the faceless man carrying off the child who could have been Maddie, conveniently takes the two group members who learned about the patio doors of apartment 5a being left unlocked at around 9:30pm,  and did not find out about that until 20 minutes or so after Jane Tanner saw the child in the mans arms (around 9:10pm) - how lnconvenient was / is that?

Very.
If I had all this information in front of me.. I would come to the same conclusion as the officer in charge did ( who can blame him?! ) it would be a possibility in my mind.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 20, 2012, 06:20:PM
Sorry guys, but I don't buy any other theory other than an abduction.

Jane Tanner sees a man carrying a child approx 9:10

The Smith family of 7 also saw a man carrying a child at approx 9:45

All witnesses give similar descriptions.

All witnesses did not know each others statements...so if there is doubt here then there is 8 more people
telling lies about what they saw that night.

Plus all the witnesses who claim to have seen a man hanging around the apartment prior to Madeleine going missing....

 :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 03:50:AM
(2) - Jane Tanners sighting of the faceless man carrying off the child who could have been Maddie, conveniently takes the two group members who learned about the patio doors of apartment 5a being left unlocked at around 9:30pm, out of the equation and they did not find out about that until 20 minutes or so after Jane Tanner saw the child in the mans arms (around 9:10pm) - how lnconvenient was / is that?

(3) - When the two group members went to check apartments at about 9:30pm, armed with the knowlege that the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, either Maddie was already gone and missing, or still asleep in her bed. Now depending upon which version of events you choose to believe (because at least two different accounts have been given) when one of the opened the unlocked patio doors, if the bedroom window, or the door on the roadside of the premises had been opened, it would have caused the bedroom door to slam shut (as later described by Kate ), but it did not. This must mean that when the 9:30pm check was made, Maddie must have still been inside the bedroom, and that the bedroom window and corresponding steel shutter at that window, and the door on the roadside of the premises had been closed at that stage, otherwise the checker would have noticed something similar to that described by Kate when she says she discovered Maddie to be missing at 10pm? If Maddie was still in bed inside apartment 5a when the 9:30pm check was made then the sighting by Jane tanner (2) could not be a reference to anyone carrying off Maddie beforehand...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 03:57:AM
(3) - When the two group members went to check apartments at about 9:30pm, armed with the knowlege that the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, either Maddie was already gone and missing, or still asleep in her bed. Now depending upon which version of events you choose to believe (because at least two different accounts have been given) when one of the opened the unlocked patio doors, if the bedroom window, or the door on the roadside of the premises had been opened, it would have caused the bedroom door to slam shut (as later described by Kate ), but it did not. This must mean that when the 9:30pm check was made, Maddie must have still been inside the bedroom, and that the bedroom window and corresponding steel shutter at that window, and the door on the roadside of the premises had been closed at that stage, otherwise the checker would have noticed something similar to that described by Kate when she says she discovered Maddie to be missing at 10pm? If Maddie was still in bed inside apartment 5a when the 9:30pm check was made then the sighting by Jane tanner (2) could not be a reference to anyone carrying off Maddie beforehand...

(4) - Maddie went missing from inside apartment 5a, between Jerry's check at about 9pm, and the second check carried out at about 9:30pm (and which included the sighting by Jane Tanner of the man carrying the child during the relevant period), or she went missing at the time of the 9:30pm check, or after the 9:30pm check, and before the last check carried out by Kate at 10pm, or she went missing or was taken at 10pm...

Event (1) - Maddie went missing or was taken between 9pm and 9:30pm
Event (2) - Maddie went missing at 9:30pm
Event (3) - Maddie went missing between 9:30pm and 10pm
Event (4) - Maddie went missing at 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 04:05:AM
(4) - Maddie went missing from inside apartment 5a, between Jerry's check at about 9pm, and the second check carried out at about 9:30pm (and which included the sighting by Jane Tanner of the man carrying the child during the relevant period), or she went missing at the time of the 9:30pm check, or after the 9:30pm check, and before the last check carried out by Kate at 10pm, or she went missing or was taken at 10pm...

Event (1) - Maddie went missing or was taken between 9pm and 9:30pm
Event (2) - Maddie went missing at 9:30pm
Event (3) - Maddie went missing between 9:30pm and 10pm
Event (4) - Maddie went missing at 10pm...

Jane Tanners sighting could only have been a reference to Maddie being taken by the man she saw carrying a child if event (1) - above is the true explanation about what took place and how it happened in real time. If any of the other events (2), (3), and (4), occurred, Jane Tanners sighting of the man carrying a child had nothing whatsoever to do with the disappearance of Maddie from apartment 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 04:07:AM
Jane Tanners sighting could only have been a reference to Maddie being taken by the man she saw carrying a child if event (1) - above is the true explanation about what took place and how it happened in real time. If any of the other events (2), (3), and (4), occurred, Jane Tanners sighting of the man carrying a child had nothing whatsoever to do with the disappearance of Maddie from apartment 5a...

If event (1) - above is true and accurate, then the checks carried out at 9:30pm and 10pm, don't make sense, or add up....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 04:09:AM
If event (1) - above is true and accurate, then the checks carried out at 9:30pm and 10pm, don't make sense, or add up....

Additionally, the check carried out at about 9pm, by Jerry, needs to be looked into further - including why he was delayed before returning to the tapas bar, after the 9pm check?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on July 21, 2012, 09:24:AM
Aside from the Tapas 9 statements, one statement I've always found intriguing is one made by another holidaymaker at the time, Stephen Carpenter, who says that he, his wife and children left the Tapas Bar between 9.15 and 9.30 and his wife heard someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", as they crossed the road to get to their apartment.

This is 30 - 45 mins before Kate raised the 'official' alarm.






Thought I'd bump this info re timings.

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk

Click on the 'original dvd images' box.
Halfway down it says 'cartas rogatorias'  you want file 3, 31-56
There's a read in English option!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 09:04:PM
(4) - Maddie went missing from inside apartment 5a, between Jerry's check at about 9pm, and the second check carried out at about 9:30pm (and which included the sighting by Jane Tanner of the man carrying the child during the relevant period), or she went missing at the time of the 9:30pm check, or after the 9:30pm check, and before the last check carried out by Kate at 10pm, or she went missing or was taken at 10pm...

Event (1) - Maddie went missing or was taken between 9pm and 9:30pm
Event (2) - Maddie went missing at 9:30pm
Event (3) - Maddie went missing between 9:30pm and 10pm
Event (4) - Maddie went missing at 10pm...

Sighting of the man carrying a child by the Smith Contingent could be true no matter what time Maddie actually went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 09:45:PM
Help me to Believe this time:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=-81pUzpsF_A
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2012, 09:50:PM
Truth of the lie, you tube video:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGhlYTNisw&feature=related
(2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-bGNM54zbo&feature=relmfu
(3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_EZCp-zJQ&feature=relmfu
(4) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx4fOjXPKH0&feature=relmfu
(5) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjtbaFZ01bA&feature=channel&list=UL
(6) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e7ug0BfNy4&feature=relmfu
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2012, 04:09:PM
Come on then, get the second driveway dug up, and lets put this case to rest / bed so to speak...

Why the delay, we need action now...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 28, 2012, 06:02:PM
Some more links worth consideration:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwvY6whtds
(2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Bx-LS9MwD74
(3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=lhACS6ck-Dw
(4) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Vwx3zDb7u3U
(5) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=GVkpY9dQJSk
(6) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Zqoj-pfBUnY&NR=1
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on August 12, 2012, 08:15:PM
Hi Mike

I found this today. It is well worth a read. There is loads on it.  :) :) :) :)



http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eric on August 15, 2012, 06:34:PM
If you listen to Jane Tanners statement (well interviews) there's glaring holes in it. She says the man carrying the child wasn't a tourist because he had a thick coat on and tourists wear cropped trouses but I was cold and wore a big jumper?!
Her check (which was just before the starters arrived at half nine) must have lasted half an hour, she says she left the apartment to be met by Rachel Oldfield who said Maddie was missing, she wasn't missing until after 10.
She managed to pass Jeremy Wilkins and Jerry Mccann on the street but they didn't see her.
She recognises the colour and pattern on the pj's the baby was wearing being carried by the stranger but doesn't recognise Maddie (if it was Maddie) and she see's all this while passing the man in the dark under orange street lights, I wish I was that good.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: big-goolies on August 28, 2012, 12:20:AM
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The truth about what really happened to Maddie McCann is coming out very soon, you wait and see, and when  it does, remember these words that you keep speaking...

 
still waiting
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on September 05, 2012, 05:13:PM
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMurder_of_Joana_Cipriano&ei=sHlHUKWnOaWx0QXXhYGACA&usg=AFQjCNGOh3y7uKJBsnrBBTidWPXzxN4LyA

another  case involving the same detective.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on September 05, 2012, 05:51:PM
http://amaralfiction.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on September 06, 2012, 04:31:PM
most of the anti mcann suff comes from this guy here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Bennett_(politician)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on September 08, 2012, 08:31:PM
Here it is Lookout.....http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann.html

Its very interesting.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on September 08, 2012, 08:56:PM
Here it is Lookout.....http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann.html

Its very interesting.... :) :) :) :)

No doubt about it having been an abduction. Did you see the news about that Marc Dutroix ( spelling ) wife being released from prison into a " safe house "? Evil pair if ever there was. I wouldn't mind betting he,or even she knows something.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on September 08, 2012, 09:09:PM
No doubt about it having been an abduction. Did you see the news about that Marc Dutroix ( spelling ) wife being released from prison into a " safe house "? Evil pair if ever there was. I wouldn't mind betting he,or even she knows something.

No Lookout, not heard anything about him....I will have to google it....Obviously it has something to do with PDL....

Scotland yard have gone quite....they say no news is good news!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on September 09, 2012, 12:40:AM
No doubt about it having been an abduction. Did you see the news about that Marc Dutroix ( spelling ) wife being released from prison into a " safe house "? Evil pair if ever there was. I wouldn't mind betting he,or even she knows something.

i think they were both in jail when iy happened though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 08, 2012, 09:35:PM
Sara Sofia Lopes Dos Santos missing 2009 aged 3
Madeleine B McCann Aged 3
Sofia Catarina de Oliveags aged 2
Paula Mesquita Mendes age 6

Just a few missing missing children from 2005..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2012, 09:36:PM
i asume there all from portugal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 08, 2012, 09:43:PM
i asume there all from portugal.

Yes they are nugnug....I posted this a while ago and I have bumped it for a reason....:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2012, 09:58:PM
were the from more or less the same region of portugal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 08, 2012, 10:06:PM
were the from more or less the same region of portugal.

I don't know nugnug, but I have brought them forward so that I can do a bit of research on them.... :o ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2012, 10:08:PM
the mcanns were staying fairly near the spanish border weren't they.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 08, 2012, 10:33:PM
the mcanns were staying fairly near the spanish border weren't they.

I don't know how far they were from the border, but I will find out....Night nugnug...:)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 09, 2012, 07:27:PM
im asking this because assuming someone kidnapped her there best hope of avoiding capture would be to get out the country as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 09, 2012, 07:29:PM
im asking this because assuming someone kidnapped her there best hope of avoiding capture would be to get out the country as quickly as possible.

Or by boat from the resort?  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 09, 2012, 07:35:PM
Just done a google search and from Praia de Luz to Isal Christina in Spain is about 157K about 1 hour and 56 minutes...So less than 100 miles, sorry I can't convert K's into miles....lolol
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: -Harters- on October 09, 2012, 07:38:PM
Just done a google search and from Praia de Luz to Isal Christina in Spain is about 157K about 1 hour and 56 minutes...So less than 100 miles, sorry I can't convert K's into miles....lolol

97.5 miles.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 09, 2012, 07:39:PM
97.5 miles.

Thank you Hartley.  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 09, 2012, 08:48:PM
so taking traffic into account about a 3 hour drive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 11, 2012, 09:30:AM
so taking traffic into account about a 3 hour drive.

Wouldn't take 3 hours nugs.It's 99 miles from Liverpool to Birmingham and it takes just over an hour if you get a clearish run.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2012, 09:36:AM
Morning lookout  you sound like a boy racer you devil you.  Remind me to travel by train if I am ever  on that route. :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 11, 2012, 10:44:AM
Morning lookout  you sound like a boy racer you devil you.  Remind me to travel by train if I am ever  on that route. :) :)

Morning Susan,,,yes,I was,but it was the creme de la creme of cars.A BMW auto.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2012, 10:46:AM
Wow lookout and poor little me has to be content with a Reliant Robin.  No motorways for us if I go above 25mph bits drop off :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2012, 04:40:PM
Wouldn't take 3 hours nugs.It's 99 miles from Liverpool to Birmingham and it takes just over an hour if you get a clearish run.

i was make a conservative estimate based on how much traffic there might be and also assume if they had abducted a child they would probebly be carefull not to get pulled up for speeding.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 11, 2012, 08:14:PM
i was make a conservative estimate based on how much traffic there might be and also assume if they had abducted a child they would probebly be carefull not to get pulled up for speeding.


Okay,nugs,,,but it was night-time and the border between Portugal and Spain hadn't been closed,so if the vehicle went that way,it would have gone like a bat out of Hell before border control were told. As it was,it was 12 or so hours later after the horse had bolted.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2012, 08:55:PM
so they could have been in spain pretty quickly then.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2012, 10:56:AM
I don't believe the abductor had a car, otherwise he would not have been seen carrying a child 35 minutes after the abduction. 4 witnesses say they saw a man carrying a child. They all 4 described this man and child similar to what Jane Tanner said.  None of them new each other and none of them knew what each of them had said in their statement.

If this abduction was planned he would have got into a vehicle and made his get away. 

I think the man was local, or an holiday maker.....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2012, 10:21:PM
i dont think the mcanns were in any way involved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 24, 2012, 10:24:PM
i dont think the mcanns were in any way involved.

I think xxxxxxxxxxxx was in on it, sorry...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on October 28, 2012, 04:19:PM
I think it was accidental and XX helped.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 28, 2012, 04:33:PM
No No NO NO NO and NO WAY!  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on November 07, 2012, 10:55:AM
I don't know if people are still interested in this case but there's plenty of stuff on You Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqoj-pfBUnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwx3zDb7u3U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVkpY9dQJSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&feature=relmfu
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 07, 2012, 04:03:PM
I've followed this case from day and I am convinced that someone somewhere knows something.  I also believe she was abducted that night, by someone local or an holidaymaker.  No transport was used so this suggests that it had to be someone who was staying in PDL. 

The apartment was not treated as crime scene, nor was there any real investigation from the PJ

I hope that the McCann's will soon have some sort of closure.  There is a new investigation, lets hope they gain some answers. 

I have my suspicions of who could be involved.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 07, 2012, 04:13:PM
hi Mike, "in on it"? meaning not an accidental death?

I think Maddies remains will eventually be found in PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2012, 07:07:AM
Today I am once again in the north east, following up a new lead in the hunt to find out what happened to "Maddie" McCann - the omens are looking favourable...

"Come and find me, Mr Mike, don't let them forget about me"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2012, 07:34:AM
Above photographs were taken by me near Washington, A1 this morning...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 17, 2012, 11:11:PM
Maddies remains will be found in grounds of derelict building opposite church at PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 17, 2012, 11:12:PM
Maddies remains will be found in grounds of derelict building opposite church at PDL...

Somebody should go there and dig up her remains...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: big-goolies on November 17, 2012, 11:55:PM
Somebody should go there and dig up her remains...
 
 
get your spade out then
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 09:22:PM
Did Raymond Hewlett have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance?  He is one of my three suspects.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237700/Did-Maddies-secret-grave-Police-reopen-investigation-paedophile-living-Algarve-vanished.html

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A5_5/apenso5_vol_5_p969.jpg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 24, 2012, 09:28:PM
hes certainly one of mine as well.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 09:31:PM
Hi nugnug....he was never questioned properly was he...He was an ex soldier to...that is why the window was opened in my opinion, purely for escape purposes......The doors were open, there was no need for an abductor to use a window....

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 09:34:PM
Police knew about a paedo ring.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 24, 2012, 09:59:PM
i think amoral was involved some how.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 10:04:PM
i think amoral was involved some how.

Amaral was a disgraced copper. He did not solve the crime while he was in the PJ, but claimed he had when he published his book....His only gain was money...His wife wrote to Kate...did you see her letters? What a nerve.  ???
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 24, 2012, 10:05:PM
well you can tell what sort of cop he is from that other woman's black eyes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 10:12:PM
well you can tell what sort of cop he is from that other woman's black eyes.

He covered that up nugnug...that is why he was sacked.  He accused her of killing her daughter..then the uncle was pressured into a statement saying she had done it.....No evidence, just a few punches in a closed room....by corrupt PJ's 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 24, 2012, 10:28:PM
he would of done that to the mcanns if he could of got away with it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 10:32:PM
he would of done that to the mcanns if he could of got away with it.

Most likely nugnug...and claimed notoriety for it amongst his colleagues.  Like in the Cipriano case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 10:44:PM
Look alike? Or coincidence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 24, 2012, 10:57:PM
i was kind of hopeing she was still alive thats why i clung to the abducted and driven to spain theory,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 11:05:PM
i was kind of hopeing she was still alive thats why i clung to the abducted and driven to spain theory,

Well their is no evidence to suggest otherwise....One wonders how Hewlett got his money to travel to Morocco and then to Germany?  He had to pay his camping fees and petrol......and feed his 6 children. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 24, 2012, 11:16:PM
i was kind of hopeing she was still alive thats why i clung to the abducted and driven to spain theory,

She could have been sold nugnug.....I hate saying that, but is could be possible. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: OnceSaid on November 25, 2012, 11:52:AM
Did Raymond Hewlett have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance?  He is one of my three suspects.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237700/Did-Maddies-secret-grave-Police-reopen-investigation-paedophile-living-Algarve-vanished.html

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A5_5/apenso5_vol_5_p969.jpg

I have no idea if he had any involvement or not, but to think that all these years later they are going to have another look at him is ridiculous.  He's dead.  Hewlett was jailed several times in the UK for sexually assaulting young girls, including an attack in 1978 where he put a gun to his victim's back.
 
In June 2009, before his death, West Yorkshire Police confirmed its officers were investigating Hewlett in connection with an indecent assault in 1975.

With his previous convictions, why was he not fully investigated in 2007 and repeatedly on his back whilst he was alive?  To think that this man was allowed to live with his 6 children, after these prison terms, infuriates me. 




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: OnceSaid on November 25, 2012, 11:54:AM
i was kind of hopeing she was still alive thats why i clung to the abducted and driven to spain theory,

Me too  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Caroline R on November 26, 2012, 10:12:PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/madeleine-mccann-news-late-paedophile-raymond-hewlett_n_2190562.html?ncid=webmail1
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 10:25:AM
i dont think the mcanns were in any way involved.
I'm sorry nugnug i think they were very much involved....they left 3 young children on there own ,one of them had an accident,unfortunatley died and the parents covered it up....my opinion :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2012, 10:34:AM
I'm sorry nugnug i think they were very much involved....they left 3 young children on there own ,one of them had an accident,unfortunatley died and the parents covered it up....my opinion :(


Yes,the children were left,we all know this by now,,,,but the parents had nothing whatsoever to do with the childs' disappearance. Can you back-up your reasons,proof,evidence to suggest this.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 10:54:AM

Yes,the children were left,we all know this by now,,,,but the parents had nothing whatsoever to do with the childs' disappearance. Can you back-up your reasons,proof,evidence to suggest this.?
Evidence of blood on curtains,behind settee, cadaever dogs.
Mr MCcANN being a Mason ...and no that's not evidence,just personal experience :-X
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 27, 2012, 10:58:AM
Evidence of blood on curtains,behind settee, cadaever dogs.
Mr MCcANN being a Mason ...and no that's not evidence,just personal experience :-X

Hi Jaymo

Where is this evidence?   ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 11:04:AM
Hi Jaymo

Where is this evidence?   ;) ;)

Hi Patti, i take that Gonçalo Amaral The truth of a lie is not a favourite read of yours....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 27, 2012, 11:10:AM
Hi Patti, i take that Gonçalo Amaral The truth of a lie is not a favourite read of yours....

Hi Jaymo

Not is it not. If Amaral could not solve the crime while he was in the PJ, then he certainly couldn't solve it after his disgraced dismissal.  It's a long time since I read it, to be fair. 

The MM case will always remain a mystery for their is no evidence to suggest she was killed by her parents.

However, there is statement evidence by 5 witnesses that saw a man carrying a child in the south west of PDL To this day the man has not come forward to be eliminated.  You would think with the worlds publicity this man would have come forward to say....Hey, it was me with my daughter..  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 11:18:AM
The one thing that confuses me is that the Cadaever dogs smelt death in the car that the McCanns hired 23 days before hand and no one had hired that car before them as it was new...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 27, 2012, 11:24:AM
The one thing that confuses me is that the Cadaever dogs smelt death in the car that the McCanns hired 23 days before hand and no one had hired that car before them as it was new...

It confuses me too. Apparently they can smell cadaver form 100 years ago.  I admit dogs are very clever, but they can't talk. If you look at the car park video, the same dogs barks at a wall and an empty car parking space....The dog also goes round the McCann's car several times and does not bark...Can we really rely on them?   :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 11:27:AM
Hi Jaymo

Not is it not. If Amaral could not solve the crime while he was in the PJ, then he certainly couldn't solve it after his disgraced dismissal.  It's a long time since I read it, to be fair. 


Patti you say disgraced dismissal? Amaral,  led the investigation until October 2007 when he was removed for claiming British police were only helping with leads provided by the McCanns.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 27, 2012, 11:30:AM
Patti you say disgraced dismissal? Amaral,  led the investigation until October 2007 when he was removed for claiming British police were only helping with leads provided by the McCanns.

He wasn't dismissed for that Jaymo. He was dismissed for a cover up of his colleagues on a different case.  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 11:34:AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1564913/Madeleine-McCann-chief-detective-sacked.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 27, 2012, 11:43:AM
That's not the case Jaymo.  The public prosecutioner accused Amoral of covering up the attack on  Leonor Cipriano in 2007.  He was dismissed because of that if memory serves me right.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 12:36:PM
Different papers give differing reasons for his dismissal.And having been out to Praia du Luz (golfing by the way)and spoke to people out there including ex pats and locals over 75% think Mr mcCann knows a lot more than he is letting on ,and one day he will slip up ....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2012, 12:54:PM
Different papers give differing reasons for his dismissal.And having been out to Praia du Luz (golfing by the way)and spoke to people out there including ex pats and locals over 75% think Mr mcCann knows a lot more than he is letting on ,and one day he will slip up ....


Jaymo,,that's because the McCanns were put on trial by the media,both here and Portugal,,also by the public too. Much the same as in the JB case where fingers are often pointed at the wrong person.
I remember seeing the difference in answers online when that woman tried to extort money for the " disappearance " of her daughter ( who'd been purposely hidden ) Sharon Matthews,,,everyone showed sympathy towards this con-woman and compared life-styles etc etc,,,until the truth came out and you never heard another thing from the " sheep ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 01:05:PM

Jaymo,,that's because the McCanns were put on trial by the media,both here and Portugal,,also by the public too. Much the same as in the JB case where fingers are often pointed at the wrong person.
I remember seeing the difference in answers online when that woman tried to extort money for the " disappearance " of her daughter ( who'd been purposely hidden ) Sharon Matthews,,,everyone showed sympathy towards this con-woman and compared life-styles etc etc,,,until the truth came out and you never heard another thing from the " sheep ".
Lookout the McCanns put themelves on trial both here and Portugal by leaving 3 children under 5 on there own in an appartment.If Mr McCann had not been a Mason he would have been charged,but a certain ex prime minister put a stop to that.....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2012, 01:36:PM
Lookout the McCanns put themelves on trial both here and Portugal by leaving 3 children under 5 on there own in an appartment.If Mr McCann had not been a Mason he would have been charged,but a certain ex prime minister put a stop to that.....


Jaymo,,the fact that the McCanns left the children has been bandied around now for the past 5 and a half years. Nobody knows better than the parents themselves that they did wrong in leaving them and that's their punishment for the rest of their lives.
Mason or not,they cannot be charged for something that they didn't do.
Would you have the same attitude if they'd been from a sink estate.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on November 27, 2012, 01:46:PM

Jaymo,,the fact that the McCanns left the children has been bandied around now for the past 5 and a half years. Nobody knows better than the parents themselves that they did wrong in leaving them and that's their punishment for the rest of their lives.
Mason or not,they cannot be charged for something that they didn't do.
Would you have the same attitude if they'd been from a sink estate.?

I certainly would....this is not a class thing 2 adult people were found to have broken the law by leaving these children unattended. Lookout i have my opinion you have yours,from what i have seen ,heard and checked for myself i think they are very guilty....but yes lets debate it's good for the soul. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2012, 02:12:PM
I certainly would....this is not a class thing 2 adult people were found to have broken the law by leaving these children unattended. Lookout i have my opinion you have yours,from what i have seen ,heard and checked for myself i think they are very guilty....but yes lets debate it's good for the soul. :)

Yes,Jaymo,it is good to debate and to also have opposing opinions,or there'd be no room for manoeuvre.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2012, 03:02:PM
Lookout the McCanns put themelves on trial both here and Portugal by leaving 3 children under 5 on there own in an appartment.If Mr McCann had not been a Mason he would have been charged,but a certain ex prime minister put a stop to that.....

as far as i can see there is no evidence he is a mason just a wild allegation.

i have never heard of Scottish catholic Freemason before.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on November 27, 2012, 03:11:PM
nugnug  I have never heard of a Scottish Catholic Freemason either.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2012, 03:16:PM
It depends which newspaper it happens to be,,and it also depends if you believe everything you read.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on November 27, 2012, 03:17:PM
Hi jaymo132  I agree the McCanns were wrong to leave the children unsupervised and I am sure they know that now I don't think for one moment Freemasons have the power some people think they have. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2012, 03:20:PM
i dont think he is one anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ngb1066 on November 27, 2012, 04:12:PM
as far as i can see there is no evidence he is a mason just a wild allegation.

i have never heard of Scottish catholic Freemason before.

Roman Catholics can become freemasons, so can Scottish people.  Am I missing something?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: gordo30 on November 27, 2012, 04:17:PM
Wow of course catholics can be Freemasons as its not a religous society, there are more lodges in the republic of Ireland for example than the whole of Scotland and many more in cathoilc countries. There were no less than 2 popes initiated into various masonic organisations in the past.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on November 27, 2012, 04:21:PM
Gordo30  Thank you for that we learn something everyday :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on November 27, 2012, 04:25:PM
ngb  Hi No you are not missing anything other than this part of the world is very short of Catholics and that is why most Lodges don't have Catholics :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2012, 04:28:PM
i think the mcann acusers all miss one simpel fact to bury a body they would of needed a shovel now there is nobody who rembers selling them a shovel and they certanly dident walk through costums with one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2012, 04:43:PM
i think the mcann acusers all miss one simpel fact to bury a body they would of needed a shovel now there is nobody who rembers selling them a shovel and they certanly dident walk through costums with one.

Hi nugs,,the cadaver dogs would have detected something within the area surrounding the apartment,church and Tapas,,but didn't. It's because the child was carried out that the trail for the dogs was lost.

Any smells,bloodstains,etc would have appeared after the McCanns moved out of that apartment and another family of 12 moved in,which was when investigations began,so forensic tests were well contaminated.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2012, 06:03:PM
and the entire worlds media were watching there every move so no chance to bury a body.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2012, 07:15:PM
and the entire worlds media were watching there every move so no chance to bury a body.


Exactly,nugs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2012, 04:51:PM
MADDIE at heavens gate'-  I have just taken this photograph...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: big-goolies on November 30, 2012, 11:19:AM
MADDIE at heavens gate'-  I have just taken this photograph...

 
does that means she is really dead then ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on November 30, 2012, 02:29:PM
MADDIE at heavens gate'-  I have just taken this photograph...

I never see faces in anything you post usually...but woah! Even I see this. Cool picture.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: big-goolies on November 30, 2012, 05:35:PM
looks like a part foot x-ray to me
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 08:50:AM
THE HIDDEN INVESTIGATION

Forward

Certainly, this book responds to the need I felt to defend myself, having been discredited by the institution for which I worked for more than twenty-six years, without being given any chance to explain myself, publicly or within the institution itself. I made the request several times, but it was never heard. I, therefore, scrupulously respected the rules of the police judiciaire and I refrained from making any comment. But this goes without saying: I experienced that silence to which I was constrained as an attack on my dignity. Later, I was removed from the investigation. It was then that I understood that it was time to speak. To do that, I requested early retirement in order to be able to express myself freely.

However, the purpose of this work is more important: to contribute to finding the truth so that justice can finally be done in the investigation known as the "Maddie case." Truth and justice are two values strongly anchored within me, which reflect my profound beliefs: they always guided the work I did for the institution to which I am proud to have belonged. Even in retirement, they continue to inspire me and to be present in my life.

In no way does this text seek to challenge the work of my colleagues in the police judiciaire or to compromise the ongoing investigation. I am convinced that the disclosure of all the facts may, in the present case, result in harming the investigation. However, the reader will have access to unpublished information, to new interpretations of events - always with respect for the law - and, of course, to relevant enquiries.

The only objective of a criminal investigation is the search for truth. There is no place for the "politically correct."

Chapter 1

Precipitation?

Certainly Not.


FEBRUARY 2008, NINE MONTHS AFTER MADDIE’S DISAPPEARANCE.

IT’S CARNIVAL SUNDAY. In the distance the shots of the hare hunters can be heard, resounding above the low-growing vegetation of the Barrocal.

On waking, I decide to stay at home. Recently, I’ve had no wish to go out, to go walking or to meet people. I yearn instead for peace and silence. That morning, the sun was shining, promise of a lovely day: but in the afternoon, the rain began to fall, ruining the fête and the parades.

From the window I admire the Algarve countryside: the pink and snowy-white of the almond trees contrasting with the blue of the sea that is glimpsed in the distance. Suddenly, the ringing of the telephone – more and more unusual of late – brings me out of my lethargy; I have to face reality.

From the receiver, a friendly voice, swinging between anger and sadness, asks me:

- How are you? Have you heard our national director’s interview?

I reply no and wonder what the clearly perceptible anxiety of my questioner is due to.

- He says we were precipitous. That placing the couple under investigation was premature….I wonder what’s come over him. He totally validated that decision. What is he intending to do? End the investigation?

He is alluding to the investigations undertaken after the disappearance of a little English girl of nearly four years of age during the night of May 3rd to 4th 2007, at the Ocean Club, one of the many tourist complexes in the village of Luz in Lagos, Portugal. She was called Madeleine Beth McCann and she was sleeping in a bedroom in the apartment block, beside her sister and her brother – twins aged 2 years. During this time, their parents were dining a hundred metres away with a group of friends and holiday companions. This news story was the beginning of a criminal investigation, unpublished in Portugal and, I think, in the rest of the world. Even so, the case benefited from unprecedented international media coverage. Numerous suggestions were put forward, mixing truth and lies; at the same time as regular information bulletins from the police, a campaign of disinformation was developed with the objective of discrediting the work of the investigators. For me, the investigations came to an end on October 2nd 2007, the date on which there seems to have been a new English ultimatum, incidentally on the same day that the Treaty of Lisbon was being discussed.

Considering the length of time I witnessed that media spectacle, including, at its height, “forcing,” by the McCann family with the disclosure of a photo-fit sketch of the alleged abductor, nothing more could have surprised me.

- Don’t worry, it’s carnival…

I follow the conversation as if it was nothing, but deep down, I have the feeling that the world is caving in.

After hanging up, I go back to contemplating the almond trees in flower, planted in the hard soil of the Algarve. I wonder if a body is resting under that earth and if God, in the end, is not a little precipitous in making these trees flower in the winter….And then I tell myself no. A memory comes to mind of the legend of this princess from a country in the north, married to a Moorish king. She spent her winter days pining for the snow of her country, which she missed. Then, the monarch had the idea of planting almond trees throughout the surrounding region. Thus, when winter arrived, from the castle window, the young woman could contemplate the white mantle of the flowering trees that covered the countryside, and her sadness was dispelled.

BRIEF DIGRESSION ON THE ALGARVE AND ITS INHABITANTS

From time immemorial, the Algarve has been a region open to the world. Its geostrategic position, its sky, its climate and the hospitality of its inhabitants have always attracted people from other regions. Phoenicians, Carthaginians and Greeks passed through here; the Romans established themselves here and set up communication routes. Numerous relics; at Estói, Vilamoura, Abicada, Vila da Luz, witness to their presence. The influence of the Moors, who spread Al-Andalus (it is thus that they named the region) to the west of Cordoba, to Al-Gharb, remains very present in the Algarvian culture.

The history of the relationship between the Algarve and England is as ancient as it is turbulent. Between 1580 and 1640, when Portugal lost its independence and was integrated into the Spanish Empire, Faro was attacked by the troops of the Count of Essex. This latter seized, amongst other assets, some precious property – not less than 3,000 volumes – from the library of the Bishop of the Algarve, Jerónimo Osório. Amongst these books was a Pentateuch (the first five books of the Bible) in Hebrew, printed in 1487 in Faro by Samuel Gacon, a Jewish publisher. This historic work (the first book printed in Portugal) is kept at the British Library in London. Later, the Algarvians will help the English to defend Gibraltar, a strategic place for the fleet of the British Royal Navy.

The Algarvians have always shown great independence, not hesitating to oppose any foreign domination attempt. In the 19th century, during the French invasion, the first reverses suffered by the Napoleonic troops were inflicted by the Algarvians. The population of Olhao rose up and drove the invaders back near Quelfes; young people of the town set out aboard a fragile barque to inform King John VI, then exiled in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, of the liberation of his homeland. Portugal is a country of brave and warm-hearted people, rejecting arrogance and insults, proud of their identity and independence, even from the European Union. It is also a modern state that welcomes a great many investors and tourists and moreover plays an important and recognised diplomatic role. Throughout its history, Portugal has concluded pacts, signed treaties and built bilateral alliances with many countries: the Luso-British Alliance is a good example, proof of the vitality of relations between the two countries, and above all of a deep understanding.

Nowadays, the Algarve is focused on tourism; since the 1960s, it is mostly the British who come to stay there. It is on this welcoming soil that little Madeleine disappeared.

AN INVESTIGATION DESTINED FOR THE ARCHIVES

I feel it; with that television statement, the national director has the intention of preparing public opinion for the inevitable, that is to say, the end of the investigation and the closing of the case.

I get the impression that that decision was hatched on October 2nd and that all actions taken after that date were only a matter of form, with the sole purpose of sticking to the pre-established schedule. I fear that challenging all the previous work of the investigation is only a pretext for closing a case that was beginning to undermine the police judiciaire, the investigators and Portugal. Perhaps that was why it had to come to a close.

Placing Madeleine's parents under investigation - Kate Healy and Gerald McCann as arguidos - must have marked a turning point in relations between the police in charge of the investigation and the couple. The Portuguese police officers began to consider the McCanns as potential suspects, which their British counterparts did not. At that time, the two police forces seemed to agree about exploring the hypothesis of the child's death inside the apartment. But the English police - without any really practical justification - suddenly stepped back and gave up on following that track. We have always found it strange the way the couple were treated, even after they were placed under investigation, and we have often wondered how the McCanns could have had access to information that had not been made public.

I recall various moments in the investigation, and the memories come pouring out; I think of that little girl who was not yet four years old and who was denied the right to live.

It would seem that there are preparations to smother the case, that the importance of the evidence is being minimised, that it's losing its force. Thus, the rights of that child are flouted, the rights of many other children. Who wants to get to that point? Who required my departure from the operational coordination of the investigation? Who is it who wishes to bring an end to the arguido status of the McCanns and Murat? Those who support the theory of abduction? Those who maintain - I'd go further and say that they are - that in England the suspects would already have been arrested? Or those who perpetuate the lie, in straying from the search for the material truth? The closing of the case certainly serves someone's interests.

After my departure from Portimao on October 2nd 2007, I had decided to forget about this case. Perhaps the best thing to do, considering the forces at play. If the authorities of her own country were not worried any more about what had happened to that child and they satisfied themselves with the theory of abduction, why worry myself about it? It's certainly not the unfortunate statement from a director of police (as perhaps inferred by the journalist) that will make the existing evidence be forgotten - I no longer think that was his intention. The only means of erasing the record of everything that was done would be the destruction of the official records. And then, our memory remains, that of all those set out on this investigation to discover the truth.

I receive another phone call: it's my wife Sofia. She is worried about me, and has been since May 3rd of last year, for nine months now. Previously, our marriage already knew highs and lows; after that date, it was worse. I had become an absent father and husband. At the beginning I distanced myself from my family to protect them from the media pressure, but also because of the pace of work imposed by the investigation; now I live alone and I am seized by a certain bitterness; I can't help feeling betrayed by the institution to which I dedicated myself for more than a quarter of a century. Nothing that happened to me seems justified to me, nothing makes sense. My family did not deserve that.

Sofia is shocked by the national director's statements.

- Come and have dinner with me in Portimao. The children are with their grandparents. We can talk a little about all of that.

I decide to go. I need to hear some reassuring words.

From then on I carefully follow all the details. I become aware of the importance of statements from the national director, who had always maintained that all leads in the investigation must be explored and remain open. That they be left open is possible, but they have been explored.

Could the fact have been forgotten that we decided to constitute as arguido a couple suspected of the crime of concealing a body and simulating an abduction?

A short time later, in the course of a television interview, I hear my former professor of political science and constitutional rights, Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, explaining the national director's statement. I remember very well his course on the separation of power. He maintains that the director's words have killed the investigation. The death of the investigation, once again! But this is about the death of a child! Yes, I affirm it, a child is dead! This certainty is not fed by vague assumptions, no, I base myself on facts, details, clues and evidence recorded in the official records. Many questions have been raised. But where are the answers?

In trying to find them, I think to myself that it would be judicious to go back to the beginning of the investigation - while it's still clear in the memory - from the moment the little girl disappeared. So much has been said....It is time for the story to be told by the one who was responsible for its operational coordination and who lived it intensely in the company of men and women who constitute the élite of the police judiciaire.

THE PRUDENCE OF A DECISION

In Portinmão, I meet chief inspector Tavares de Almeida, a member of the team I directed. We have known each other since we started in the police judiciaire. He is worried because of the national director's statements; he heard that our work was going to be the object of an investigation. A request in that direction has allegedly already been placed before the national directorate of the police judiciaire. According to him, that would allow the truth to be re-established and would lead to recognition of the quality of our work.

During the five months that the investigations lasted, we had heard all sorts of comments, but we had got on with our job. We remind ourselves of everything that was accomplished, with a great deal of effort, rigour and honesty, and we are certain that nobody could have done better. That might seem presumptuous, but it's just fair recognition of the conscientious attitude of all the police professionals who worked on the case.

- They can't count! How can they accuse us of being precipitous when the couple were only declared suspects four months after the events! Don't they know the principle of non-self-incrimination?

It is legally impossible to continue to take statements from someone as a witness if these statements risk later turning against him. While a witness is making a statement about an ongoing case and at a given moment it is realised that he could himself be involved in an illegal act, he is constituted arguido. Thus, from then on, he has rights and duties. Contrary to what one reads in the press - above all the English -, the arguido is protected and acquires the right to silence which no one can reproach him for - which would not be the case if he were being heard as a witness.

- I agree with you. If a mistake was made, it was in taking so long to make the couple arguidos. Too much politics, that's what there was, too much politics and not enough policing.

- I'd say rather that the mistake was in treating the McCanns "with tweezers." From the start of the investigation, we realised that certain things did not add up and yet, they continued to benefit from favourable treatment; that's what's not normal!

- Does the national director perhaps think that the couple only left Portugal because they had been placed under investigation?

- In fact, the McCanns stayed in Portugal as long as we stuck to the theory of abduction; from the moment that was placed in doubt, they talked about returning to England.

- From which can be concluded that their being placed under investigation gave them an excuse to leave the country...

- You know, certain English journalists consider Portugal to be a third world country. Of course, I don't agree with that definition. And yet, if it's not a third world country, why is the head of an ongoing investigation dismissed when the quality of his work is not in doubt....

- There is a lot of talk about the "politicising," of the law....they forget the extent to which a police investigation can be influenced.

- It's a matter of either: either the investigation is entrusted to trustworthy people, or, if things go wrong those responsible are replaced with more "reliable," people.

- I don't believe that was the main reason.

- There are always reasonable and perfectly legal arguments. In fact, those who should stand in the way of this almost political management of the investigation are the most senior police managers. They should object to any situation or action that risks bringing prejudice to the investigation and to its correct operation. They can't agree to everything under the pretext of being afraid of losing their jobs.

- No, you are aware that you don't direct the police according to personal interests but properly according to public interests. It is only thus that we can conceive of a police force in a democratic state.

- OK, but look where we are! You will see, soon the arguidos will be choosing who leads the investigation. Maybe that's the modern way..

- The modern way....Rather self-interests, you mean! Deplorable!

- Speaking of deplorable, have you seen any of the Benfica game recently?

- It's not football any more, it's I don't know what. Incidentally, you've met Gaivota?

Gaivota is the surname of a former Benfica player who was living in Portimão at the time of the investigation. A real companion who shared the good and the bad times with us. I remember his kindness, and the patience with which he showed his support for me.

- If he was still at Benfica, maybe their defence would be up to something.


BEHIND THE SCENES OF THE INVESTIGATION: THE CRISIS UNIT

Sofia is listening to our conversation. She knows the importance of the work carried out by Tavares de Almeida. It was he who kept the crisis unit operational throughout the investigation, until the departure of the last English police officer, when the McCann family returned to England. As if, from then on, it was no longer necessary to continue the investigations where the disappearance took place.

It was he who, nearly every day, opened the local office at 6 o'clock in the morning, not to leave it until after midnight. All the information passed through there: there we centralised all the data we received, emails, telephone calls, communications from the police officers working on the case. That room was the real nerve centre of the investigation. The bits of information were analysed there in order to distinguish those that were of real interest from the many others - reports or witness statements - raising pure speculation. A great deal of sorting out had to be done, notably concerning the eye-witnesses, who multiplied as the media coverage took on enormous proportions.

The English investigators occupied the adjoining room: between the two areas, information circulated in an uninterrupted flow. The British investigators participated in our meetings, taking notes in their record book, Major Incident Enquiry Officer's Rough Book.

Another room was dedicated to dealing with information of a more practical nature, like, for example, the register of all paedophiles present in the region, in order to look for actual links to the case or the creation of diagrams of connections; difficult and meticulous work of great value, which was later sent to the crisis unit.

Amongst other duties, Tavares prepared the documents - many of which had to be translated - so as to allocate the jobs between the various teams who, on the ground, executed the operational orders for the proper management of this lengthy work of verification. The revolt they now feel is legitimate. They suffer a deep sense of injustice: not only did the police judiciaire not know how to protect them, but it called into question their reliability.

In the days following the national director's statement, rumour had it that he himself was going to be dismissed. Once again the police judiciaire were in crisis; once again this crisis was going to be resolved by a series of resignations in the highest spheres of the hierarchy. Yet, stability is one of the essential conditions for the success of its mission, totally dedicated to the service of the community.

How come a criminal investigation - in this case, the research undertaken following the disappearance of a little English girl - could have upset so much, Portuguese justice, the police judiciaire, and compromised the cooperation that existed for such a long time between the police of the two countries?

What are the powers that made the investigation so difficult to the point of stopping it abruptly? In recounting its operation, perhaps a response could be outlined and new light thrown on the events.

I invite researchers in communication sciences to look into this case in order to understand how a dramatic event could be transformed into one of the most media covered happenings of our time.

MADELEINE BETH McCANN'S HOLIDAY

Saturday April 28th

At the end of April 2007, it's spring in the Algarve, even if the weather is particularly gloomy. It rains often. While the sun shines, the temperature becomes pleasant, but the nights are cold and windy.

On the morning of April 28th, Madeleine, aged 3, goes to Leicestershire airport to board a flight for Faro, accompanied by her parents, Gerald McCann and Kate Healy, both 39, doctors, living in Rothley, England, and by her brother and sister, Amelie and Sean, twins aged 2.

The family is taking a short holiday - one week - until the following Saturday, May 5th. Madeleine seems at the same time happy and anxious. In Faro, where she arrives at around 2pm, she boards the minibus provided for tourists by the tour operator, to travel the 70 kilometres that separate her from her destination: the Ocean Club holiday complex at Vila da Luz, not far from the town of Lagos.

The McCanns are traveling in the company of the Payne family, composed of David Payne (41) and his wife Fiona (35), doctors, their daughters Lilly and Scarlett (aged 2 and 1 respectively) and Diana Webster, aged 63, credit manager, Fiona's mother. One hour earlier, at around 1pm, the other members of the group of holiday-makers had arrived from London: the Oldfield couple - Matthew Oldfield (38), doctor, Rachael Mampilly (37) human resources manager, and their daughter Grace (19 months) - as well as the O'Brien couple - Russell O'Brien (37), doctor, Jane Tanner (36) marketing manager, and their daughters Ella and Evie (aged 3 and 1 respectively)

David Payne is the organiser of the trip. These couples have spent their holidays together for several years. In January 2005, while Kate was pregnant with the twins, they stayed for a week in Lanzarote, an island in the Canaries. In September 2003, the McCanns and their friends Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Mampilly, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner spent a week in Umbria in Italy, where they went to attend David and Fiona Payne's wedding. In September 2005, Gerald, Kate and their daughter Madeleine, then aged 2 years and 4 months, went to Majorca, in Spain, for a few days of relaxation with the Payne's and other friends.

On their arrival at the Ocean Club, the McCanns are allocated apartment 5A, on the ground floor of one of the apartment blocks, the back of which looks over the swimming pool, the tennis court and the Tapas restaurant. This apartment is on the corner of the building with a public road running alongside. The other couples are accommodated in apartments 5H (Payne family), 5D (O'Brien family), and 5B (Oldfield family); 5B adjoins 5A and is close to 5D. Except for 5H, on the first floor, they're all on the ground floor.

Access to the front door of apartment 5A is through the car park in front of the building. It is surrounded by a 1 metre high wall, with an opening in the middle. Another wall, of the same height, separates the building from the car park with an alley facing the central part of the building. You have to go along the road that runs alongside this wall to get to the front door of apartment 5A. It's a very basic wooden door without any specific security system, fitted with a lock that opens with a key. Anyone approaching this door has to go past the window of the bedroom where Madeleine, her brother and her sister sleep.

Behind the ground floor apartments there are small gardens whose side gates open onto a walkway that separates the building from the leisure area of the Ocean Club. Apartment 5A's small garden opens directly onto the public road. From inside the apartments, the gardens are reached via French windows which have very little security, and only a blind shutting them off from the outside.

The resort complex of the Ocean Club does not stand in a private area; the various buildings of which it is composed are spread throughout the village. The roads serving the club are public. Some of its properties are separated from each other by 2 kilometres - this is the case with the Millennium restaurant. There is no video surveillance system or private security; access to the leisure areas is not controlled either.

Vila da Luz is one of a number of villages built in the years 1960-1970, when the Algarve became a very popular tourist destination, particularly with the British. Drawn by the mildness of the climate and the hospitality of the inhabitants, they built lots of little white houses, interpreting in their own way the architectural style of the region. They took an interest in the Algarvian culture and society and their relations with the local population developed in a harmonious way.

BRIEF DETOUR VIA THE HISTORY OF VILA DA LUZ
The predecessors called it the beach of Our Lady of Light. It was a little fishing village standing in a bay, benefiting from the fact of an advantageous geographic situation. The fine sandy beach stretches as far as the famous volcanic rock - Rocha Negra - with vivid sandstone cliffs in the background. The remains of an ancient fort dominate the highest points, probably erected to protect the villagers from potential attackers coming from the sea.

A paved walkway bordered by palm trees runs along the seafront.

If you take the road that links the Luz church to the beach, you notice on your left the ruins of the Roman thermal baths; through their cellar run numerous tunnels, which for more than fifty years, have been used by children to reach the beach. A good part of Luz is built over remains from the time of the Romans. Under the reign of King Alphonse III, there was whale hunting here; more recently, there was an active tuna processing factory. With the explosion of mass tourism, the region has become a particularly popular holiday destination and most of its revenue comes from this fast-growing industry. That sector nowadays employs over 80% of the population.

The inhabitants of Lagos have made it their main holiday place. Legend has it that in May, a clever knight came to steal gold from the ladies of Lagos and fled after having accomplished the deed. For the inhabitants of Lagos, the humiliation was so great that they decided to ban the word designating the month from their vocabulary. Thus, after April comes the month....that has to come.

It is in this peaceful seaside resort that Madeleine began her brief holiday.

GOING BACK TO THE OCEAN CLUB
On the day of arrival at the Ocean Club, a small welcome ceremony is organised at the Tapas restaurant, from 5pm - 6.30pm. Everybody participates, including the children, who spend their time enjoying themselves in the play area. After this reception, the holiday-makers go to the Millenium restaurant, situated nearly 2 kilometres from the apartments, at the entrance to the village of Luz. It's a long way and Gerald and Kate have to carry the twins. Madeleine walks all the way. Between 7 and 8pm, they dine in the restaurant with other members of the group. The return journey is also on foot. At 9pm, the children are in bed. This is how the first rather tiring day goes. The parents realise that it won't be easy to walk that distance every day at meal times and start to consider other alternatives.

THE ROUTINE IS ESTABLISHED

Sunday April 29th

On the morning of Sunday April 29th, at around 8.40am, the McCann couple and their children again walk the 2 kilometres that separate them from the Millenium to have breakfast. Then, the children are entrusted to the play leaders - Madeleine to the day-care centre in the building that houses the main reception of the tourist complex, while Sean and Amelie stay at the playgroup, near the Tapas restaurant, that takes the youngest children. At around 12.30pm, the parents come and fetch them for lunch, play with them sometimes in the swimming pool or in the play area, then, at around 2.30pm, take them back to the play leaders, with whom they stay until 5.30pm. Sometimes the children have dinner with them.

From the first evening, the routine is established. Between 7.30 and 8.30, it's relaxation time for the parents. After having put the little ones to bed, they have a bath and drink some New Zealand wine as an aperitif. Then, they join the other adults of the group for dinner at the Tapas restaurant. The meal starts at around 8.30 and ends at around 11pm. Meanwhile, every half hour, the parents go in turn to the bedrooms to check that everything is OK.

Madeleine will not go back to the Millenium because breakfast from now on is taken in the apartment with the family, with items purchased at the Baptista supermarket, a few metres away. The rest of the day follows what is, from then on, its usual course: 9 o'clock, the children are dropped off at the playgroup and the parents go to play tennis or run on the beach.

MADELEINE CRIES IN HER PARENTS' ABSENCE

Tuesday May 1st

In the Algarve, May 1st is celebrated by organising family picnics; the first snails are tasted and, above all, maios are displayed - life-sized rag dolls stuffed with straw - on the sides of the roads, in windows or on the doorsteps of the houses. They represent scenes from daily life or from social satire. This popular, one hundred-year-old tradition is carried on and joyously enlivens these first days of spring.

It's not known if Madeleine could see the maios that day. Between 10 and 11am, she plays minitennis with the children from the day centre. In the afternoon, from 1.30, her parents take her to the beach with her brother and sister, but they only stay there for twenty minutes, because the sky clouds over and the temperature falls. She eats an ice cream on a terrace. Close by, a guitarist, who looks like a tramp, is playing Latino music and collecting money. From there, Madeleine and the twins are taken directly to the day centre. Tennis court number 1 is booked by the McCanns for 2.30 to 3.30. At around 3.30, the play leaders take the children to the beach. They proceed in single file, each holding onto a long rod in the shape of a serpent, Sammy Snake. They play on the sand until 4.30 and participate in various games that are suggested to them.

During the parents' dinner, the children again sleep alone. A restaurant employee notes on the reception register that certain members of the group get up in turn to go and make sure they are OK.

For an hour and a quarter, between 10.30 and 11.45pm, in the apartment where she is in the company of her brother and her sister, Madeleine does not stop crying and calling out for her father. She does not calm down until after her parents return.

Wednesday May 2nd

At breakfast, Madeleine asks her parents why they left her to cry the night before, and did not come back immediately. At 9 o'clock, the children are back at their respective playgroups. For an hour, between 3.30 and 4.30, like the day before, Madeleine is taken to the beach, following the usual route. In the evening, when the parents go out for dinner, between 8 and 8.30pm, she is already asleep, like her brother and sister.

Thursday May 3rd

At 9.10am, Madeleine arrives at the day centre, accompanied by her father. Between 10.30 and 11 o'clock, the day centre leaders again take Madeleine and her little classmates to the beach. She then goes on a boat trip in a yellow catamaran-type boat, which does not go very far from the shore. At 12.25, her mother fetches her for lunch and takes her back to the day centre at 2.50. At 5.30, after a jog on the beach, she goes back to fetch her, as well as her brother and her sister, and they all go back to the apartment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:16:AM
ANNOUNCEMENT OF A DISAPPEARANCE: THE FIRST SEVENTY-TWO HOURS

On this evening, May 3rd 2007, I decide to dine at the Carvi Brasserie, in the centre of Portimão, before going home. I have been living for a year in this town, where I lead the Department of Criminal Investigation of the police judiciaire. In 1982, when I was 23 and I had just taken up this career, I had already gone there. There, I had made the acquaintance of someone who was to become my friend, Manuel João. Former local official and sporty, a charismatic person. He always lent a hand to members of the police judiciaire who went to the town for the purposes of an investigation. As an elected local official, he originated the creation of a police judiciaire department in Portimão. Thus, that evening, while savouring fruits de mer, we discuss the problems of Portuguese society.

It is midnight when I receive the news about the disappearance of a little four-year-old English girl. The police officer on call was informed about it by the National Guard of The Republic (GNR) At the time of her disappearance, the little girl was supposed to have been sleeping in an apartment while her parents were dining a hundred metres away. An inspector is sent to the scene immediately to establish the initial facts. A forensic expert assigned to security of the premises will join him. All precautions are taken to preserve possible clues and elements of evidence. I demand to be informed very regularly and, before going home, I call on the police on duty to check that all urgent measures are underway. The head of the Guard has already alerted the police authorities at Faro airport and the control post set up on the Guadiana* bridge.

(*The river on the frontier between Portugal and Spain.)

THE REPORTS LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED

The examination of the premises by the investigator and the representative of the forensic police just after the announcement of the disappearance turns out to be quite unproductive. A concise report, where their observations are written up, is accompanied by numerous photographs taken inside and outside apartment 5A - which don't give an account of, according to us, everything they could have observed. This error is explained by the absence of procedures in case of a child's disappearance, notably concerning the actions to be taken when examining the scene.

Lots of people were already in place; however, nobody appeared in the photos. We don't know, for example, how they were dressed. Such observations can turn out to be important later on. The report mentions that the twins were asleep in their bed, but there is no proof to confirm it; on the contrary, in the photographs, you can see empty cots, where only the mattresses remain - the sheets and blankets having been removed. Why have their beds been stripped? If the sheets had not been removed, traces of their presence could have been found there.

That evening, on arriving home, I see Inès, my younger daughter, who is sleeping close to my wife, Sofia. In silence, in the dim light of the bedroom, I sit on the edge of the bed. Outside, far from her mother's warmth, a child of the same age is lost. Sofia wakes up and asks me what is happening. I tell her about Madeleine's disappearance and instinctively, she holds our daughter tightly in her arms and makes room for me.

I make lots of phone calls and send a text message to the director of the Faro Department of Criminal Investigation (DIC): child, English, aged 4, disappeared from a Praia da Luz hotel. It's sufficient. Reading the message, he will understand the gravity of the situation. Three years before, we had dealt with a similar case, a few kilometres from Praia da Luz. We had not been informed at the time of that disappearance, and we are convinced that if the investigation could have been started immediately we would have been able to discover some physical evidence. The police response is fundamental. The first 72 hours are essential.

FIRST INTERROGATIONS AND REQUESTS TO THE BRITISH POLICE FOR INFORMATION

Friday May 4th

This morning I am worried; something isn't right in the account of the events: the little girl allegedly disappeared at 10pm while she was sleeping close to her brother and her sister. They were alone in the apartment because their parents were dining with friends. A system of checks had been put in place by the adults. Every 30 minutes according to some - every quarter of an hour according to others -, someone went to have a look at the children. It is Madeleine's mother who realised she was gone and is immediately talking about abduction.

We need information about the parents and their friends, to know who they are, what they do, if they have problems in their country, if the children were victims of abuse, if the family, neighbours, friends could have noticed any suspicious behaviour, what are their jobs, if they work full-time, etc. Is any member of their family depressed or suffered from depression in the past? Do the couple maintain good relationships? Are they implicated in serious litigation? Do they have enemies? For what reason? So, I telephone Glen Powers, the English liaison officer in Portugal, inform him of events and request that he relay our requests for reports. We consider these to be of the greatest importance and await sensitive responses to guide our investigation.

While I am on the phone and my daughters are sleeping, Sofia makes breakfast for me. She is quiet and regards me with a questioning look, as if she suspects that from today, she won't see much of me. It's not the first time this has happened: she knew that I wouldn't count my time in a case like this.

THE ORGANISATION OF THE INVESTIGATION

Since dawn, chief inspector Tavares de Almeida has been getting down to the job at the Department of Criminal Investigation in Portimão. He is following through with the first measures taken within the context of the investigation. At this time, he should have been going on holiday, but faced with the gravity of the case, he has decided to put it off until later. Neither the director of the Faro police judiciaire nor myself are going to have the time take our holidays anytime soon.

The disappearance of a child must be flagged up as widely as possible, on the national as well as on the international level. All Portguese police are already on alert, as well as Interpol. During the night, the National Guard, supported by the civilian population, has started to organise searches. They will be continued and widened tomorrow.

The search and examination of the scene were carried out in difficult conditions: when they arrived, the police were met with a large number of people coming and going - family, friends, resort employees, including dogs and members of the National Guard. The contamination of the premises risks bringing serious prejudice, as a consequence, to the investigation. We must ask ourselves if that contamination has been deliberate or not - it can make the search for clues particularly complicated. The Lisbon scenes of crime technicians come as reinforcements to start the examination of the residence, which is from now on empty.

On arrival at the Portimão Department of Criminal Investigation, I call in chief inspector Tavares de Almeida to take stock of the situation and take the measures that are necessary in the immediate future. After the searches undertaken in the surrounding area - dustbins, containers, sewers -, it is necessary to proceed with the interrogation of certain potential witnesses. The parents and their friends will be heard quickly. The first statements are of prime importance: memories are still vivid and crucial details could thus be obtained, which would risk being lost later. The witness statements of the restaurant employees, those from the day centre and the playgroup where Madeleine and the twins spent their day are also all important. The search for witnesses will be widened to all the tourists present, whose names must be submitted to the parents and friends. Perhaps they will recognise someone....The English police are involved: they are being asked to cross-check that list with their files in order to pick out individuals known to their services.

All of the video recordings from the tourist complex - hotels, banks, pharmacies, supermarkets and service stations -, including those from the CCTV cameras of two motorways - one leading to Lagos and one linking Lagos and Spain -, will be viewed. The Spanish customs service has been asked to increase vigilance at the two ports maintaining links with Morocco,Tarifa and Algeciras. The Algarvian coast, very popular with sailing enthusiasts, is bordered by a large number of marinas. Pleasure boats from every province berth here. Situated 120 nautical miles from the African continent, between the Mediterranean and the Atlantic, it is the most accessible coast for entering the continent of Europe. It attracts many yachtsmen, who appreciate the beauty of its beaches and its inlets, but it also attracts all sorts of traffickers.

- Make contact with the marinas and the maritime police; we must have access to video recordings as well as the registers of boats entering and leaving in the last few days.

- I am going to contact them and make sure they have started the sea searches.

In anticipation of the volume of information we are going to have to deal with, we decide to fit out a room dedicated to the investigation, our crisis unit.

THE INFORMATION SOUGHT IS SOMETIMES UNOBTAINABLE

We need reliable information. Apart from all the searches already undertaken, we must also examine the photos and films taken by the McCann family and their friends. From amongst the onlookers, these images could help to identify a suspicious-looking individual or someone whose attitude might be suspicious. Trivialised since the general use of computers, photography is a source of information which the investigators know not to neglect: each holiday-maker takes, in general, hundreds of photos. The McCanns and their friends who were in Vila da Luz make all of theirs available to the investigators, but none of those dating from the evening of the disappearance help us to understand what happened.

NO SIGN OF A BREAK-IN

At this stage of the investigation, the hypotheses are numerous, and each one must be considered. It is necessary to locate and identify all the paedophiles who live in or who have passed through the Algarve, in order to check that they were not in the proximity of Vila da Luz on the days preceding the disappearance.

The idea of a robbery gone wrong is not to be ruled out either. During the holidays, burglaries are not rare, and the police are not always informed, because hotels avoid spreading this kind of information. Even if the examination of apartment 5A reveals no trace of a break-in - contrary to what the parents insist and that Sky announced - we have to take stock of the petty crimes committed in the seaside resort and at the tourist complex. We are counting on the management of the hotel so that no incident of this nature remains hidden. Even if we don't have much belief in the scenario of a burglar who enters the apartment for a burglary and leaves it with the child, dead or alive, this hypothesis, as ridiculous as it may be, must not be neglected.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:22:AM
FIRST MORNING OF THE INVESTIGATION; AN ABDUCTION?

Still May 4th

When drawing up the report of the first observations, which must be forwarded to the district Judiciary Court of Lagos, we are undecided about the legal denomination of the events. Finally, we opt for "abduction??," adding two question marks after the word to express our uncertainty. The decision was not taken lightly. That decision preserves the interests of the various opposing parties, those of the parents, those of the child, not to say those of the investigation itself.

The report by the team who conducted the analyses of the apartment records all observations carried out and statements gathered. It sets out the list of people present and potential witnesses. It also includes fingerprints taken as well as photographic documentation.

On reading this report, which was given to me on the morning of May 4th, I understand that there is no evidence sufficiently convincing to tip the investigation in one direction rather than another. There are many possible leads: voluntary disappearance - the child could have wakened and not seeing her parents, gone off to look for them; accidental death and concealing of a body; physical abuse causing death; murder by negligence or premeditated; an act of vengeance; taken hostage followed by a ransom demand; abducted by a paedophile; kidnap or murder committed by a burglar.

The hypothesis of abduction widens and complicates the investigations; it allows the mobilisation of means and resources that would have been difficult to obtain otherwise, such as the arrival of reinforcements, absolutely indispensable faced with the magnitude of the task, notably in the course of the first 72 hours. In a more calm climate, we could have got down to the search for evidence more effectively, allowing us to understand how that child disappeared, without worrying that suspicion might fall on the friends of the family.

THE VISITS BY THE CONSUL AND THE AMBASSADOR; INFORMATION IS TAKING A LONG TIME TO COME FROM GREAT BRITAIN

At ten in the morning, twelve hours after the disappearance, the British Consul to Portimão goes to the Department of Criminal Investigation. We inform him of the actions taken up to then and the next stages being considered. He doesn't seem satisfied. Someone hears him on the telephone saying that the police judiciaire are doing nothing. Now, that's strange! Why that untruth? What objective does he have in mind? Giving another dimension to the case? Perhaps, I don't know a thing about it, but this is not the time for conjecture; we have to concentrate on our work, of finding the little girl.

We're not getting any response from Great Britain. We've had no reports on the subject of the couple, their children and their friends, which doesn't help us to tighten up the investigation. We would like, for example, to know if Madeleine was adopted by the couple, which would allow us to eliminate the hypothesis of parental abduction. If the information is not reaching us, it's obviously reaching the British Ambassador. We are astonished by this prompt mobilisation of the English authorities. So, who are the McCanns? Who are their friends? We don't need diplomatic intervention: what we would like, is answers to the questions sent to the British police authorities by Glen Power.

THE SEARCHES CONTINUE; THE ASTONISHING INVASION BY THE PRESS

The searches on the ground continue, with the help of a helicopter from Disaster Management. Interviews of holiday-makers and the resort's employees multiply. We're worried, aware that it's a race against the clock: tomorrow, many tourists will be leaving the resort. As for the McCanns and their friends, who should also be leaving on this date, we are totally unaware of their plans. For the needs of the investigation, it is imperative that they stay put, but we have no legal means of preventing their departure. During the morning, the deputy director of the Faro police judiciaire joins us. Until the end of September, his life will be split between Faro and Portimão, where he will travel to every day. He asks how the searches are going and decides to go to Vila da Luz to check for himself the operations that have been set up. I go with him. When we arrive, we find that the media, Portuguese as well as English, are present en masse. It seems that the McCanns' friends have reported Maddie's disappearance to the press before informing the police about it. Another point which we must clarify.

TECHNICAL FAULTS

Inside the apartment, police forensic specialists proceed to lift finger and palmar prints, a job that is preferably carried out during daylight hours. Others look for traces of blood, samples of fibres and hair. We notice with dismay that one of the technicians, who is working on the outside of the McCann children's bedroom window is not using the regulation suit, thus risking contaminating possible clues. These images of negligence start to circulate world-wide; this isn't, however, the usual behaviour of police judiciaire technicians.

It's obvious that no one has broken in and the lock has not been forced. No prints are lifted that are likely to belong to an unknown person, nor the slightest trace of gloves which could have been worn by a hypothetical abductor. In the middle of this desert of clues, two prints are perfectly easily found: the very distinct mark of a palm print on the balcony window at the rear of the apartment, and a clearly visible one of fingers on the window pane of Madeleine's bedroom. The excellent quality of the palm print seemed suspicious to us. Later, analyses confirm our suspicions: it belonged to one of the officers who were present the previous night.

In Portugal, no protocol exists for coordinating the work of the different police services in the event of the worrying disappearance of a child, perhaps because until now this type of case has been rare. We have been fighting for several years for the creation of just such a resource. However, we don't have to invent anything: it would be sufficient to adapt the protocols already existent in other countries more used to cases of this type - Great Britain, for example.

A SUSPECT WHO, VERY QUICKLY ISN'T; THE SEARCHES CONTINUE

While we continue to gather statements from resort employees, we are informed of the presence in the region of an individual suspected of abusing children. Of British nationality, he would frequent a pub situated 150 metres from Madeleine's apartment. In 2005, sought by the police in his own country, he fled abroad and the English authorities had then lost track of him. But we discover that the pub in question doesn't exist any more, and that the information that the man is in the area has no basis in fact. His step-father, contacted by the police, states that he is currently in Iraq, information later confirmed by the British police.

In the main street of Vila da Luz, there are open trenches because of improvement works. They leave the waste water mains exposed. On the night of May 3rd searches were conducted there, with the help of sniffer dogs from the National Guard of The Republic. (GNR) We'd like to proceed with another inspection, but the site foreman assures us that access to the mains is closed during the night and the workmen noticed nothing abnormal when starting work the next morning.

STATEMENTS FROM THE PARENTS AND FRIENDS; FIRST INCONSISTENCIES

Still May 4th

Madeleine's parents and friends of the family go to the Department of Criminal Investigation to be interviewed. Their statements should help us to better understand the circumstances surrounding Madeleine's disappearance. Each must be questioned at the same time, but separately, in order to avoid "contamination," of the witness statements - which happens often when witnesses have the opportunity to exchange information. Sometimes an important detail is held in the memory, but can be lost after a conversation with another witness. This is the usual procedure. In this way, we can establish relevant cross checks, confirm or invalidate certain assertions. But that was not possible today, certain adults having stayed at the resort to look after the children.

We have to retrace their comings and goings very precisely as well as those of the children. What they did during the holiday, where they went...In possession of this information, we will attempt afterwards to collect photos and films taken by holiday-makers who were in the same places: we will succeed perhaps in pinpointing a detail that could be of significance. These same tourists might quite simply help us to better understand the way in which the group of friends was working.

The personality of the victim and of the parents has significance. We have to find out if they were threatened in the past, if they have enemies. We must consider the possibility of a mistake: the target may not have been Madeleine but another child of the group of friends. Therefore, they too must give answers to similar questions.

None of the adults possessing a vehicle, they never go very far and in general stay within the confines of the resort. Their knowledge of the surrounding area is limited and we assume that they limit themselves to the roads linking the beach and their apartments.

During the morning, only Madeleine's father, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner are interviewed. However, already contradictions and improbabilities are appearing from one to another of the statements, notably concerning access to the apartment.

An example: during the course of the evening, Jane encountered Gerald McCann and Jeremiah busy chatting in the street. At that time, Gerald was coming back from his apartment, where he had gone to make sure the children were sound asleep - which he confirmed in his statement. Jane asserts that she noticed a suspicious individual carrying a child in his arms - probably Madeleine, according to her - immediately after having passed the two men. Gerald and Jeremiah should also have seen her, but that was not the case.

The mother of the missing little girl, Kate Healy, and all the other members of the group, David Payne and his wife Fiona, Rachael Mampilly, Russell O'Brien and Diane Webster, are heard later. They might already be aware of the questions put to their friends and of their responses. In that case, there won't be the element of surprise. The presence of an interpreter doesn't make the interviews any easier either. The witnesses benefit from the translation time to prepare their responses.

Madeleine's parents are insisting on the theory of abduction. They want to convince us of it at all costs. Gerald stresses that the front door was locked; Kate states that she entered the apartment through the rear sliding doors, which weren't locked, and that the window was wide open with the shutters raised.

This theory does not hold water, which will be observed during other interviews. The only witness statement corroborating that assertion is Jane Tanner's.

From now on it's important to shed light on the contradictions raised in these first witness statements.

Here is the chronological sequence of visits to the apartment:

- 21.05: Gerald McCann (the children are fine);

- 21.10/21.15: Jane Tanner (states having observed the alleged abductor with a child in his arms);

- 21.30: Matthew Oldfield: (goes into the apartment, but doesn't go into the bedroom. He only sees the twins);

- 22.00: Kate Healy (goes into the apartment, and finds that Madeleine has disappeared).

If, as Kate states, the window was open when she went into the apartment, how come Matthew didn't notice? At the time when the latter went in, Jane had already seen the alleged abductor with the child. So, logically, if the crime had already been committed, the window should have been open.

Matthew says that the bedroom door was half open, Kate that it was wide open. It can be concluded that Madeleine was already no longer in the room - which Matthew should have noticed, if the other witness statements are to be believed.

Another inconsistency - unexpected - appears. When Kate refers to the individual who allegedly abducted her child, she has no information other than that given to her by Jane, since she, herself, did not see him. But, the description she gives of him differs from that of Jane Tanner. The latter - extremely sure of herself, and who will be interviewed on several occasions - portrays a man dressed in light-coloured trousers, with hair down to his collar. Kate refers to long hair and jeans.

Gerald tells the police that Jane described to him - after midnight, during the night of May 3rd to May 4th - this stranger she allegedly saw going up the road; his hair was brown, he was between 30 and 40 years old and he was wearing light-coloured trousers. The first police officers to arrive on the premises are convinced that the parents put forward the hypothesis of abduction because Jane had talked about this man with the child. In their report, Jane's description is as follows: it was an individual dressed in light-coloured trousers and a dark shirt, he was 1.78m tall and was carrying a child, probably in pyjamas. She does not describe the pyjamas and doesn't mention any other detail.

Later, during the course of the morning of May 4th, the father gives the same brief description and refers back to Jane for additional details. The latter appears at the offices of the police judiciaire in Portimão at 11.30am. This time, the description is very precise: the individual, aged between 35 and 40, was thin and 1.70m tall; his hair was dark brown, falling over his collar; he was wearing cream or beige trousers, probably linen, a sort of anorak - but not very thick - and black shoes, classic in style. He was walking hurriedly, with a child in his arms. He was warmly dressed, the reason she thought he was not a tourist. The child appeared to be asleep - she only saw the legs -, had bare feet and was dressed in pyjamas, which were obviously cotton, light-coloured, probably white or pale pink, with a pattern - flowers maybe, but she isn't certain. Concerning the man, she states that she would recognise him from the back by his particular way of walking. The importance of this statement will be seen later.

Hardly fourteen hours have gone by since the child's disappearance and already Jane's version is known by many people. The father even referred to it during his statement, as can be seen above. Jane insists that she spoke solely to Gerald about this individual and then without going into details. It is only later that she related it all to the police.

Again, we notice an inconsistency. She was not aware, she says, of how Madeleine was dressed, which seems unlikely: on the night of the disappearance, Kate immediately gave a precise description of the clothes the little girl was wearing when she was put to bed.

Everybody knew they were looking for a little girl of nearly four, bare feet, dressed in light-coloured pyjamas on which there was a pink animal design. This description was relayed to all those who mobilised to find the child. How come Jane Tanner took no notice, she who, at that time, was the main witness in the case?

FIRST EYE WITNESS STATEMENTS; KATE HEALY'S SURPRISING REACTION

Madeleine's parents are already back in Vila da Luz when we receive photos taken on an area of the motorway: you can make out the figure of a little girl, who looks like Madeleine, accompanied by a couple. These images come from a CCTV camera on the motorway linking Lagos to the Spanish border. The McCanns are asked to come to Portimão in order to proceed to an identification. It's the end of the day. Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back. The identification turns out negative.

POLICE REINFORCEMENTS

A team from the Central Crime Fighting Directorate (DCCB) arrives from Lisbon, accompanied by their director. I wasn't informed of this decision, but I agree with it. The reinforcements are welcomed, because we must get on very quickly. The experience of these police officers in the field of abductions and the taking of hostages is a plus for the investigation and the ways they operate are largely superior to ours. In addition, their experts are the most qualified of the police judiciaire. From now on, two deputy national directors, assisted by the coordinator of the Portimão Department of Criminal Investigation, will direct the investigations. A few months later, chief inspector Tavares de Almeida was to share one of his convictions with me: if we had remained solely responsible for the investigation, we would have advanced more quickly.

In reality, I don't know. I don't think we can rewrite history with "if." At that time the directorate of the police judiciaire had decided on it, and we had favourably welcomed the arrival of that team. It was about doing our best with these new participants and taking advantage of their ways of working. The motivations behind that decision, whatever they are don't interest us in the slightest.

MISSING PERSONS POSTER IS ISSUED

In the afternoon, we ask the Public Minister for authorisation to issue a missing persons poster to the press. It is published on May 5th, accompanied by a photo of the child and telephone numbers. We, thus, hope to obtain new information. We are going to be inundated with witness statements of every kind: people who are persuaded that they can help us thanks to their psychic powers; others who have dreamed about Madeleine and believe they know where she is, and yet others who think they have seen her here or there...A great number of reports come to us, that we have to analyse and check out: none must be neglected, even if most of them, on the face of it, seem absurd. In the hypothesis of an abduction, we might imagine that the abductor has tried to modify the child's appearance to more easily pass unnoticed. So, we create portraits of the little girl, modifying the colour and style of her hair.

THE WEAKNESSES IN JANE'S WITNESS STATEMENT

Friday May 4th, at 8pm, we criss-cross Praia da Luz to take note of the activity in the village at dinner time and to check the street lighting. We stay there until 10pm while the forensic team from the police laboratory get on with their investigation.

Certainly, today there are people who wouldn't normally have been here: police officers and journalists. But, even so, it is noticeable that there is very little movement. The place where the abductor happened to be is dimly lit: how did Jane manage to describe him so accurately? Witnesses confirm that the streets were also deserted yesterday.

Why did the potential abductor choose to walk around like that, in the open, running the risk - in spite of the darkness - of being recognised by a passer-by? If he had planned the abduction, he would have taken the time to study, not only the habits of the family, but also the topography of the place. If he wasn't from the village, he would probably have come by car, and he would have sought to conceal it in a dark corner. But the darkest area is situated in exactly the opposite direction to that indicated by Jane Tanner. Did she actually see that man going towards the east? Wouldn't he rather be going towards the west? Leaving by car, he would inevitably have had to go towards the centre of the village, in which case, he would have to go either past the entrance to the restaurant where Madeleine's parents were dining, or by the main road that leads to EN125*
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:28:AM
(*The road running west out of the village towards Sagres and east towards Lagos.)

We walk around Vila da Luz, covering all the roads, trying to imagine the options that presented themselves to the abductor. Without a car, and not knowing the place, the safest approach to the village is the beach. In the few bars, restaurants and cafés open at this time of year, no one noticed anything at all strange during the evening of May 3rd, no suspicious behaviour, nothing out of the ordinary. Most of the establishments had closed at around 9pm.

DISCUSSION IN THE CRISIS ROOM

The crisis unit has been operating for several hours now, on the top floor of the building. Basing ourselves on the details gathered in the course of this first day, we are trying to understand the sequence of events. The original hypotheses are still valid: voluntary disappearance, abduction or death. Divergent opinions and heated discussions fire with enthusiasm. But we always finish by returning to an objective analysis of the facts to refocus the discussions.

We are opening the window to let the fresh air expel the smoke from countless cigarettes smoked during the meeting when, suddenly, someone poses a question that shouts out to all of us:

- Tell me then, what is this story about the raised shutters in the bedroom where Madeleine was sleeping - or not sleeping?

We have in mind the statements from Gerald McCann and Kate Healy.

When Gerald saw his daughter for the last time, at around 9.05pm, she was sleeping in the bedroom with the twins. He entered his apartment by the front door, using his key. No windows were open, but he cannot say if they were locked. On the other hand - everybody is in agreement in saying -, the patio door at the rear wasn't locked.

Then, at 10pm, Madeleine's mother goes in her turn into the bedroom, she sees the open window, the raised shutters and the curtains waving in the breeze. This scenario is highly improbable, since the shutters cannot be operated from the outside. Normally, that window is never opened, she says, but she can't say either if it was locked. This vagueness perhaps serves the interests of the witnesses, but arouses the suspicions of the investigators.

Finally, we were able to conclude with certainty that the only opening that wasn't locked was the patio door at the rear of the building, opening onto the area with the swimming pools and the Tapas restaurant, where the parents were dining.

You ask yourself why Gerald went into his apartment through the front door while the one at the back is closer to the restaurant and doesn't need a key. The parents insist that it was visible from the restaurant and that no one could have walked in without being noticed.

But that's false, as we were easily able to verify. At night, with the surrounding vegetation and the opaque plastic tarpaulin that protects the dining room of the restaurant, visibility is nil: anybody could have got into theMcCanns' apartment without being noticed, particularly as most of the guests had their back to the apartment.

We understand their insistence. The parents need to affirm that the children were sleeping in complete safety, and they were looking out for their well-being. But, whatever the arguments, one thing is indisputable: Madeleine was not safe.

- Strange, all the same, this burglar who enters by the door and goes out through the window with a four-year-old child in his arms. It would have been easier to go back out by the same door.

- In fact, something isn't right.
- Someone is hiding something...
- You could say they were sharing a secret.

Little by little, clearly because of tiredness, everyone starts speaking at once, words are confused. But, gradually, calm is restored, and the information gathered so far allows us to put forward several hypotheses.

- It's hard to understand how a potential abductor would have had the audacity to enter an apartment and abduct the child, knowing that the parents could burst in at any moment.
- Either or: either the man was informed about the habits of the family, and in that case we would have to also suspect employees of the restaurant, or else he hung around in the vicinity for a while to study the lie of the land.
- Only, if he had studied the lie of the land, he would have taken one and the same door for entering and leaving.
- The parents say that the bedroom window was open and the front door was closed at the time they became aware of the disappearance.
- And if they are not telling the truth?
- Put yourself in their place: you are on holiday in a strange place which you don't know; you leave three children under 4 to sleep alone; one of them disappears while you and your wife are quietly dining at the restaurant. You would take on the blame? You wouldn't be afraid of the reaction from the local authorities?
- OK, but if, in one way or another, the parents had something to do with the disappearance? They would inevitably have to invent a story, so logically, lie.
- That's not right, is it? Don't forget you are dealing with well-educated people, nearly all doctors, the child's father is a surgeon. What a ridiculous idea!
- Right, if I understand you properly, you mean that family dramas are the reserve of the simple-minded and the underprivileged...
- We must not put aside any hypothesis, even if it doesn't really grab us, cuts in one of our colleagues, who was listening to our exchanges.
-OK, but for the moment, we must not raise suspicions. They are totally unfounded in the current state of the investigation.
- Apparently, it's the examination of the window that might provide us with an answer. And the fingerprints?
- In the process of being identified.
- Are there copies of the front door key?
- Yes, of course, they are used by employees responsible for cleaning and maintenance and kept in a safe.
- Everybody has to be interviewed.
- Yes. And have the English responded to our requests for reports? We have more and more need of them.
- No, not yet, they are efficiently waiting to collect all the details before sending us a complete file.
- Well, I hope they won't leave us waiting much longer, Every hour counts.

Obviously, we don't end up with any conclusion that night, ....Dawn is breaking already when we finish: the next stages have been decided upon and teams set up. Thus ends the first day of the investigation. Journalists are lurking around the offices of the police judiciaire and in the streets of Vila da Luz. News of the disappearance has spread like wildfire. The eyes of the world are riveted on the Algarve. Little by little the pressure mounts and we have the feeling that our lives will never be the same.

Saturday May 5th

The accommodation we are occupying in the town centre rapidly becomes overcrowded: we need more sheets and blankets. Beds are allocated; some investigators have to sleep on sofas, others on the floor. Astonishingly, in this place, however jam-packed, total silence reigns. We all need to rest. Our dreams are disturbed, our worries are multiplying. Thirty-four hours after Madeleine's disappearance, we tackle our second day of the investigation. In this apartment of temporary refuge, it's the morning bustle; we mustn't lie around. In spite of the lack of sleep, no one shows any sign of fatigue: on the contrary, we are all in a hurry to getting back to work and impatiently wait our turn outside the bathroom.

Before going out, we check that there are no journalists in the area. In spite of their pugnacity, they were never able to find our hiding place. A stop for breakfast, and the day begins. Destination DIC (Department of Criminal Investigation.)

POLISH LEAD IN SAGRES

Hundreds of statements continue to be gathered in Vila da Luz. All the people of the area are interviewed: resort employees, tourists, play leaders from the crèches, residents. Most of them will be of no use to us, but none must be neglected.

From information from Sagres, we learn that an individual has been surprised on Mareta beach taking photos of several children and in particular of a little girl aged 4, blonde with blue eyes, who looks like Madeleine. It was the little girl's father who noticed him. This 40 year-old man, wearing glasses, tells the investigators that the photographer tried to kidnap his daughter in the afternoon of April 26th in Sagres.

He allegedly then fled in a hired car with a woman in the passenger seat. The stranger did not look like a tourist; brown hair down to his collar, wearing cream-coloured trousers and jacket and shoes of a classic style. This report reminds us of the individual encountered by Jane Tanner in the streets of Vila da Luz on the evening of Madeleine's disappearance.

Thanks to the father's composure, he managed to take a photograph of the vehicle. It's not very clear and does not allow us to make out the number plate, but we succeed, nonetheless, in finding the car. The car hire firm provides us with the identity of the driver. He is a forty-year-old Polish man, who is traveling with his wife. They arrived in Portugal on April 28th, from Berlin. At Faro airport, they hired a car and put up in an apartment in Budens, near Praia da Luz. Unfortunately, on May 5th, at 7am, they had already left, taking with them their camera and all the photos from their holiday. We ask the German police, through Interpol, to monitor them as soon as they arrive in Berlin. All the passengers are questioned, but no one has seen a child looking like Madeleine. In Berlin, the couple take the train to return to Poland. Thus, the Polish trail comes to an end. We would like to have seen their photos...but that proved impossible.

A lead is only valuable in as far as it is followed to the end, which was not the case with this one. We will realise that we shouldn't have ruled it out so quickly, and that it is still a topic of interest.

MORE LEADS, STILL NO RESULTS

Other individuals were seen lurking around the apartment, acting suspiciously, shortly before the events. On May 2nd or 3rd, according to an English tourist, an individual in shabby clothing was staring fixedly in the direction of the apartment. He went off in a white van. Other witness statements go in the same direction. For each, we set in motion the research procedures which sometimes include the development of an Identikit picture.

On the outskirts of Lagos, in the direction of Aljezur, there is a Gypsy encampment. Of course, traveling people are no longer thought of as child-stealers. Nevertheless, it is important to make sure they have nothing to do with the case before they hit the road again. As soon as they are informed of our searches, they collaborate voluntarily and let the agents do their work and conduct a search of their tents and their cars. No one has seen little Madeleine in the area.

Throughout the day, numerous apartments are visited in the resort and neighbouring areas: the investigators search more than 400, without result.

QUALMS ABOUT INVESTIGATING THE McCANNS; THE THEORY OF ABDUCTION GAINS GROUND.

Someone puts forward the hypothesis according to which Madeleine would have died in her apartment, and that a member of the group would have removed her. It's a possibility, but nothing so far, no evidence, happens to support that theory.

The McCanns are put up with David Payne. We want to search the accommodation of the family friends to try to pick up Madeleine's clothes, especially those she was wearing on May 3rd at 5.35pm when she returned from the day centre with her mother and the twins. Evidently, this initiative is not widely supported. The British ambassador meets with the team directing the investigation. The political and the diplomatic seem to want to prevent us from freely doing our work.

- I'm sure this check is necessary.

- The clothes? Are you mad? if I understand you properly, you want to go into the apartment to take clothes to have them analysed?

- Yes. What's the problem? It's a perfectly normal procedure in cases like this.

- Of course, but with this media hype...I don't think I have ever in my life seen so many journalists....And I didn't come down in the last shower.

THE PJ'S DIFFICULTIES IN COMMUNICATING WITH THE MEDIA; THE PRO McCANN PRESS OFFICE.

From the start of the investigation, we ask for the presence of a press attaché to accompany us and take on communicating with the media. The Justice Minister fulfills this request. Very quickly, however, this decision is contested. The reaction of the press itself is feared and public opinion, which might interpret that presence with direct intervention in the investigation by the minister....Finally, the person retained is an investigator, who is not working on the case, speaks English and has some experience in this field. With hindsight, it can be said that it wasn't a good decision. In fact, after the reading of our first press release and the parents' press conferences, the press let fly.

We were convinced that the people directly involved in the investigation should remain distanced from the media whirlwind. We needed help: the police judiciaire would have to engage staff to dissect published articles, focusing on the analysis of press statements from the parents and their friends.But that didn't happen. The media circus was in full swing: all the time, new articles, live TV, a growing number of journalists running around the streets of Vila da Luz.

It didn't seem normal to us either that a couple whose child has just disappeared engages press attachés to deal with their relations with the media. It is not a question here of minimising the role of the means of communication and ignoring that a subject like this stirs up a lot of curiosity, but that constant preoccupation with the management of their communication by the parents, appeared to us, to say the least, astonishing.

TELEPHONE CALLS ON THE NIGHT OF THE DISAPPEARANCE.

The tracking of Portuguese and foreign paedophiles - the majority English - residing in the region or simply on holiday, continues to be checked. In spite of the kilometres covered, the interviews and the searches carried out, there is nothing concrete that leads us to suspect any of them.

The investigators continue to deal with the information collected. They look into all the statements, in particular those of the Ocean Club employees, and go through the lists of telephone calls that have been made available to them.

We must also check all communication via mobile phones during the night of May 3rd. It is possible that the abductor had used a mobile. We locate the relay antennae of various operators covering the sector in order to obtain the summary of calls and messages made or received that transited their antennae. Finally, the only suspicious communications are those involving Robert Murat, a person who is central to this case, who will later be placed under investigation.

The walls of the crisis unit are little by little covered in analytical charts, time-series charts, sketches, plans, task lists, photos and other important elements with, at the centre, the photo of Madeleine, to always remind us of the object of our mission.

LOG OF CALLS ON GERRY McCANN'S MOBILE PHONE DELETED

Between 11pm and 3 in the morning, all members of the investigation team meet in the crisis unit; in the same smoke filled atmosphere, we take stock of the situation. Some don't agree with the police judiciaire's press release and think that the information should not have been disclosed, even by way of official press releases. Others think it's possible to interpret the visit by the British ambassador as a form of British government intervention, which may not be impartial. Is it usual for them to get involved with cases of this kind or is it specific to this case, and why? Only they hold the answer.

Until now, the results have hardly been conclusive. New means - in all other investigations, they would already have been put in place - must be deployed.

- Why not monitor and tap the phones of the parents and friends? Their statements are far from convincing. The story about the window is unsound, and Jane's witness statement is not convincing either.

- In that way new details could be obtained.

- We have already discussed it. That would be ideal...Only, we have to get the judge to give us authorisation with the scant details we have at our disposal. And if the parents get wind of it, we risk having the sky fall on our heads.

- In a kidnapping case with a ransom demand, that procedure would be normal, at least for the monitoring of the parents' phone calls.

- That's for certain, but in our case, that comes back to practically accusing them. Further, we don't even know if there's been a crime.

- Yes, I am well aware, but I insist. This would allow them to be ruled out.

The questions raised are relevant. Telephone taps would also allow unfounded suspicions to be destroyed. In our legal system, that procedure is only used with the sole purpose of gathering evidence. At this stage of the investigation, it's very tricky for us to express our doubts as to the sincerity of the parents and their friends.

On May 4th, the parents authorise us to check the phone calls logged on their mobile.

- Here's a copy of the summary of calls.

- I only have that of the couple. We have yet to receive the summary from BTS

- OK, what have we got?

- Do you see what I see?

- Yes, I think so: between April 27th and May 4th, Kate did not make any calls. Hum...

- None either, between 11.22am and 11.17pm on the night of the disappearance.

- Kate mustn't like making telephone calls...

- For Gerald, there's nothing before May 4th at exactly 12.15am

- What does that mean? They never made phone calls then?

- Wait, there's something here. Look at the number at the top of the list.

- Yes, so?

- On her telephone, her husbands' number is logged: she called him on May 3rd at 11.17pm, but on Gerald's, nothing, no trace of that call!

- How can that be explained?

- It's simple as anything: the list of calls has been deleted.

- Always the same old question: why?

Summing up: the first phone calls were exchanged one hour after the disappearance. It could be imagined that in that lapse of time, they were busy looking for their daughter. Nevertheless, it's astonishing that they didn't need to speak to each other at such a difficult time.

Later I learn that the English secret service had already placed the couple under telephone surveillance. If that's true, the Portuguese police were never informed.

(* Base Transceiver Station of mobile phone operators)

THE POLISH TRAIL LEADS TO AN IMPASSE

Sunday May 6th

Meeting room. Seventy-two hours have gone by since the disappearance. We are going through a difficult time: in spite of the searches carried out on the ground and the considerable means deployed, we haven't found Madeleine. The day gets off to a difficult start with bad news from Poland. From all accounts, the police badly interpreted our request for collaboration; all they did was approach the couple and verify that Madeleine was not with them, but didn't seize either their photographic equipment or the photos taken during their holiday. Another lead that remains pending. Perhaps it would have led to the discovery of a paedophile ring.

We are seeking to piece together the couple's itinerary, to find out if anyone noticed them in the vicinity of Praia da Luz, to establish any relationship between them and Maddie's disappearance. We circulate a photo - which we obtained thanks to a surveillance camera in a Lisbon shopping mall - amongst holiday-makers, clients and employees of Praia da Luz restaurants. Fruitlessly. Nobody saw them.

On the other hand, employees of the restaurant they usually went to, in the Burgau-Budens area, remember them: the woman was usually in a bad mood, and both wore clothes totally inappropriate to the place and the time of year. The forensic police won't be able to investigate their hire vehicle, which we managed to locate, because it has already been rented out again. All that's left to us is to find the bin in which the cleaning team dumped the rubbish left in the vehicle. Analyses of the rubbish reveals nothing. Fortunately, no one else has yet occupied the apartment the couple stayed in - it's low season. We go ahead with a thorough search, looking for evidence of a child's presence: shoe prints, fingerprints or footprints. Nothing. We then gather various hair samples - doubtless coming from adults - and notice drops of blood on a kitchen unit. Nothing conclusive. It's probably from an everyday domestic accident.

In the course of a meeting, I ask the director what follow-up to bring to this case, now that the person who took the photos knows he is being sought. The director gives a common sense response.

- It's unfortunate, of course. However, they were never seen in Praia da Luz, much less close to the apartment....The father of the little girl in Sagres was wearing spectacles and we aren't 100% sure of the accuracy of his description.

- Yes, but he took photos of the car. Yet again, it could quite well belong to someone else, but...

- If, in the course of the investigation, there are update details on this lead, we will request a rogatory letter and we will go to Poland to interview them and conduct a search of their apartment.

We doubt that a rogatory letter would be of any use to us. The way this lead was handled makes us think not, but we can't hold it against the Polish police, who collaborated as well as they could.

We refocus our efforts on other leads. Information on more individuals behaving suspiciously continues to flood in.

IN THE REAL WORLD

"The child, [..........] shall, wherever possible, grow up in the care and under the responsibility of his parents, and, in any case, in an atmosphere of affection and of moral and material security;"

United Nations Declaration of The Rights of The Child, 1959
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:35:AM
THE DAYS THAT FOLLOWED

Seventy-two hours have gone by. All those involved in the investigation are feeling a deep sense of frustration. But it's not a question of throwing in the towel. We need to bring new motivation to the teams and keep the investigation going at the same pace.

THE ARRIVAL OF THE ENGLISH POLICE

On Monday May 7th, we start to welcome our English colleagues from Leicestershire, the county where Madeleine and her parents live.

When we requested the collaboration of the English police, our request was passed on, according to practice, via the liaison officer of SOCA* We thought that a case of abduction was within the jurisdiction of Scotland Yard, who are much more experienced than others in the fight against violent crime. We learned that in Great Britain, investigations are consigned to the sector where the victim resides. Nevertheless, Scotland Yard will intervene later on.

(* Serious Organised Crime Agency)

FIRST LEADS

In the Zavial area, a few kilometres from Vila da Luz, there lives a 46 year-old British citizen, who is suspected of paedophilia by his neighbours. The English police inform us that he doesn't have a record and that he is not on file. In Portugal too, there are no complaints registered against him. He was not seen hanging about in the areas of Vila da Luz or the beach. The lead goes nowhere.

Research on thefts committed in the area before Madeleine's disappearance leads us to the prison in Portimão. A young man is incarcerated there following a series of thefts in the region. He turns out to be very reticent, and the team sent to question him do not obtain any useful information. Nevertheless, we have to continue research in that direction. At this stage of the investigation, the track of a burglary gone wrong cannot be excluded.

Tuesday March 8th, 5pm, Vila da Luz
The white van seen near the Ocean Club, driven by an individual who looked like a tramp, ends up being identified. It belongs to a British music teacher, aged 56, who is spending his holiday playing the guitar and collecting money on the beach or in the streets of Vila da Luz. It's certainly him that Gerald McCann passed on the promenade on the day he bought an ice cream for Madeleine. It's also he who was seen near apartment 5A in the vehicle that serves him as living space. The follow-up investigation totally rules him out.


Tuesday March 8th, 11.45pm, Ocean Club blocks 4 and 5

In the hope of retracing the path that Madeleine would have taken on the night of May 3rd, we set up a search operation, bringing sniffer dogs in from Lisbon from the National Republican Guard. An identical operation had already taken place on the same night as the disappearance with dogs from the local police.

The idea is to start from apartment 5A and to follow all the roads that lead to accommodation blocks 5 and 4. From the start we are aware of the limits of this approach. In fact, the GNR dogs are essentially trained for searching in a rural environment; in addition, the persistence of bodily odours diminishes after 48 hours.

We get them to sniff a towel which, according to Kate, was used to dry Madeleine after her bath. When the dogs finished going along block 5, when, logically, they should have been heading for block 4, they suddenly turn to the left. They then follow the path at the back that separates the apartments from the leisure area. They go quite a long way in that direction. Even if the reaction of the two dogs coincides, the trainers cannot draw any definite conclusions: in fact, it's already been more than two days since the disappearance. What they can state with certainty, is that Madeleine went along there, without being able to pinpoint the date. Gerald McCann confirms this claim: he took that same route with Madeleine a few days earlier.

MADELEINE IS SPOTTED ALL OVER THE WORLD

From the moment Madeleine's photo is circulated in the media, her presence is reported to us from all over the place. In Portugal first of all, then in Spain and in Morocco, then all over Europe and even in Latin America, like a circle getting a bit wider every day, whose centre is Vila da Luz.

Almost simultaneously, she is in Zurich and on the corner of a Rio de Janeiro street...Faced with this tidal wave, rules have to be established, because it's impossible for us to check everything. So, the local police have to check the veracity of the witness statements and take all necessary measures: viewing CCTV images, lifting fingerprints, DNA profiles...From May 11th the Moroccan saga gets going. A Norwegian woman who lives in the south of Spain allegedly recognised Madeleine in a service station in Marrakesh. From then on, the greatest number of witness statements come to us from Morocco and, bizarrely, each time someone states that they saw Madeleine, she is always in pyjamas and bare feet.

THE LITTLE MOROCCAN GIRL

Leaping forward in time and in the chronology of the investigation, we come to the end of September, a few days after the McCanns' return to Great Britain. Repeated statements from clan McCann, who are not budging from the Moroccan trail - will we ever know why? - encourage a young Spanish woman to examine more closely photos she had taken during her holiday in Morocco. Before leaving, she had not been aware, she said, of this Moroccan lead. In one of her photos, taken from a vehicle, a North African family is seen, walking along a road. A woman is carrying a little girl on her back: it can only be Madeleine. Someone tells me about this witness statement and wants to know what I think. I have obviously still not seen the photo and even so I respond, convinced: "Unfortunately, it's got to be a mistake."

We ask the chief of Leicestershire police, Stuart Prior, where he is up to with it. He explains that the English police, after having seen the photo, immediately submitted it to the McCanns, asking them if they recognised their daughter. To which they replied with a, "perhaps." Incomprehensible to say the least. We are shocked by the behaviour of the English, who took that initiative, without consulting us, us, the people responsible for the investigation, which is all the more ludicrous given that the McCanns were already considered as suspects. That way of doing things disrupts the strategy adopted for the investigation, which the Portuguese and English police agreed on.


It's only in the morning papers the following day, that I get to see the photo. There is a group of people, obviously Moroccan, with a woman whose clothes practically cover her from head to foot. She is carrying a blonde child on her back. Those who thought this photo constituted an important lead were missing an important detail: this woman's face - it was plain to see - was white; perhaps she was dressed like that for protection from the sun. So, the little girl could well be hers. This will be confirmed later on: the mother, of European origin, is married to a Moroccan. Once again, it's wasn't Maddie...Another false hope.

Saturday May 12th, Vila da Luz

The individual seen in the gardens of the Ocean Club on Wednesday May 2nd, not far from apartment 5A is identified: he's a 53 year-old British gardener who has worked a few times for Robert Murat's family's gardening company. The searches carried out in his home and his car produced nothing. Further, his presence on the premises was perfectly justified and there is nothing linking him to Madeleine, whichever way you look at it.

We learn, by chance, that the McCanns are beginning to use their connections and that on May 23rd, they allegedly made contact with the future British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. We are convinced that the investigation is going to suffer all sorts of pressure and that Madeleine's disappearance will be treated as a political problem, at least in Great Britain.

In spite of our having hundreds of pieces of information in our possession, we begin to realise that there is still some missing. At this time, everybody is aware of the theory of abduction. Residents and tourists present in Vila da Luz on the night of May 3rd have heard about this stranger who was allegedly seen, going around the streets, with a child in his arms. It wasn't ruled out that the man could be a local, quietly going home, carrying his sleeping child. On May 25th, then, we launched an appeal in the media: anyone having seen an individual corresponding to the description given by Jane Tanner should contact us. No one responded.

When Robert Murat is placed under investigation, we review the press photos taken just after Madeleine's disappearance: we want to check what he was wearing and with whom he was in contact . On the morning of May 4th, Murat is seen near some GNR members in the company of two individuals of English nationality - as we find out later -, one of them being of Asian origin. Ocean Club tourists probably. We also examine the photos taken by the McCanns during their holiday. In one of them, Gerald McCann is seen playing with his children in the Tapas restaurant play area. In the background, you can make out an Asian-looking man, the same one as was seen in Robert Murat's company. He seems to be observing the family. We then proceed to identify him and the other holiday-makers that Murat had been in contact with. We get this information to the English police, who interview them locally. They conclude that they weren't involved in Madeleine's disappearance. In fact, the man in the photo was with his daughter - and there was nothing suspicious about his behaviour; as for the others, they had met Murat during the searches organised to find Madeleine. A few days later, these photos will be published in an English newspaper: it is not known how they were obtained or for what purpose they were disclosed.

One of the Ocean Club tourists states having heard Gerald McCann saying on the telephone that there were paedophile networks in Portugal, and that it was they who were responsible for Madeleine's abduction. Absolutely astonishing! Just a few hours after his daughter's disappearance, the father already knows who is guilty!

RECONSTRUCTION OR NOT?

In mid-May, we had already submitted the nine friends of the McCanns to a second round of interviews. In spite of its importance, - too upset seemingly to countenance the exercise - Kate Healy's was left until later. In view of the number of inconsistencies raised by cross-checking the statements, we are thinking of going ahead with a reconstruction. This is a routine procedure, above all when contradictory details pile up. Most of the time, it helps to make rapid headway with the investigation. By placing the various players in the drama - in this case the group of friends, employees of the restaurant, play leaders and other witnesses - into a situation that is identical to what they experienced, differences between the versions become obvious. When an improbability is noticed, the protagonists must then explain immediately.

The reconstruction was never to take place. The reasons put forward to justify that decision - in spite of opinions to the contrary - are multiple. There are lots of holiday-makers at this time and sealing off the perimeter would ruin their stay; the airspace would have to be closed; the hotel complex would be overrun with hordes of journalists; people might think that the parents and their friends were suspects and, of course, the field mustn't be left open for that kind of deliberation. For all that, a more discreet reconstruction, even partial, with only the couple present, might provide useful information. No a prior judgment is implied, quite the contrary. It's quite simply the co-operation that we have the right to expect on the part of parents faced with such a situation.

I am convinced that there is still a need for a reconstruction, whatever form it takes. The staging of the events of May 3rd from the details gathered from numerous witness statements would help to revive memories. It is difficult to understand why that is not possible.

AN ATTEMPTED EXTORTION AND AN UNCONCERNED FATHER

On June 14th, the parents are contacted by a stranger who states that he is in possession of information about Madeleine's whereabouts. Following the advice of the investigators, the McCanns set up an email address in order to maintain contact more easily and to better evaluate the reliability of the source. In the course of exchanges, the stranger demands 2 million Euros, of which an advance of 500,000 Euros must be sent to a person of his acquaintance in The Netherlands.

A rogatory letter is obtained. The Dutch courts and police are asked for assistance in locating and identifying the individual. The McCanns are anxious and impatient; they think the emails sent are credible and they respond very quickly. They lived in The Netherlands with Madeleine before the birth of the twins. Would someone they knew there have kidnapped their little girl to obtain a ransom? Kate and Gerald are convinced they are going to succeed, thanks to this lead, in finding Madeleine. But that conviction will not last long, as we will find out later.

Informed of these mails, the Portuguese PJ, acting in agreement with the English and Dutch police, engage in negotiations by email with the informant. The police advise Gerald McCann on how to act in order to obtain the maximum information. If the lead turned out to be credible, Madeleine might be freed and her abductors captured.

One day, we were all together at the PJ in Portimão - inspectors and negotiators, members of Scotland Yard and the Leicestershire police - waiting for a contact to define the place and the conditions for the handing over of the money in Holland; when the tension was at its height and we were all holding our breath, Gerald McCann displayed a nonchalance that surprised all of the police officers present, including the English. The atmosphere got heavier as the waiting drew out, but McCann, relaxed, was reading trivia on the internet and discussing rugby and football with the English police, while licking a lollipop. On the telephone, he laughed with friends who called him. Perhaps this was nervousness; sometimes it's totally displaced, given what is at stake at the time. His attitude shocked. When, two days later the dutch police informed us that the individual had been arrested, that he was not holding any information and had lied from start to finish with the sole objective of extorting money from the couple, we were not surprised.

Did Gerald McCann know that this lead would take us to a dead end? Is that the reason he appeared to be so nonchalant? Or was it due to the coldness that he never lost throughout the investigation - an attitude that made one of the English police officers say: "Don't forget he's a heart surgeon and he cuts people open before breakfast. "
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:36:AM
THE ARRIVAL OF THE ENGLISH POLICE

After Madeleine's disappearance, the first English police officer whom we welcome to the Portimão Department of Criminal Investigation, on May 5th, is Glen Power, liaison officer to Portugal. The brief of this police official attached to his country's embassy is to facilitate communication between police forces. This is one of a number of pivots on which international police collaboration relies.

I have known Glen Power for a long time. Martin Cox, who had held the job in Portugal for some years, came to the Algarve with Glen when the latter replaced him. I had worked with Glen on several cases of violent crime or linked to organised crime; I was aware of his skills, his great capacity for work, his kindness and his modesty. Our relationship went beyond that of a simple professional connection. I was a bit worried when he told me that he wouldn't be around a few days later. He had a lot to do. He wanted to reassure me by telling me that the language of investigation was universal and that his colleagues would have no difficulty in integrating into the ongoing investigation. No doubt, but personalities are important, as is the information committed to memory, knowledge of the details, the cross-checks that allow us to be responsive to the slightest indications. It's for that reason that, in general, the make-up of the team remains the same from start to finish of an investigation.

Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.

Then the two police officers arrive who are assigned to psychological support and communication with the family. Little by little, the number of English police officers grows exponentially. We place at their disposal a room next to our crisis unit, Task Portugal. These are specialists from various police services, including Scotland Yard. Special surveillance teams as well as information and telecommunications technicians turn up with their laptops and various high-tech equipment. Others will come to join us, notably profilers: they will develop a profile of the alleged abductor from which a number of possible scenarios will be constructed. The analysts trace timelines and patterns of connections based on the witness statements gathered. They produce giant summary boards that cover the walls of the offices. They attend all our meetings and collaborate in decision-making. They are the intermediary through which requests for information are sent to Great Britain, and it is they who receive the responses and enquiries.

On May 14th, Kate Healy is indignant about the attitude of the liaison officer, who asks her where her daughter is. Neither she nor her husband accepts anyone doubting their word. The officer will be sent packing - and his colleague too - a week after his arrival. That attitude is, to say the least, shocking on the part of parents confronted by such a situation, that, what is more, is in a foreign country. Those two police officers, who distinguished themselves through long experience in the management of situations of kidnap and abduction, were, all the same, entirely at their disposal; they provided daily logistical and legal support, and afforded them all the help they could have needed.

Curiously, the English do not consider it expedient to disclose the incident and the PJ are not informed. Myself, I only learn of it indirectly. Finally, a solution is found quickly: the two men are replaced by a Portuguese man who speaks fluent English.

During this time, the Leicestershire police continue to receive a considerable number of enquiries that they have trouble sorting and analysing. On May 15th, inspector Ricardo Paiva is sent as reinforcement to the English, who, he says, welcome him warmly and feed him on tea and cakes. Most of the bits of information received from all over the world are of no interest; so, there is no reason for follow-up. People allegedly recognise Madeleine or claim to know exactly where she is, seers, clairvoyants send very confused messages to the police, some well-intentioned, others less so... Rapidly, the sophisticated computer system for managing calls is overloaded. So much effort and so much money spent financing the appeals in the press for witnesses leaves us wondering; we are not convinced of the pertinence of this method that consists of requesting help from the population to resolve a case.

On Tuesday June 12th, Bob Small and Chris Eyre, head of the Leicestershire area police, go to Faro for a meeting, which Guilhermino Encarnacão, Luis Neves and myself also attend. We have to make a point about cooperation between police forces and set out the latest requirements. Everything seems to go well. We are aware of the incident between Kate and the liaison officers, but it is not brought up. We have the impression that the politically correct hypothesis of abduction is still favoured, but that other possibilities are not being ruled out.

As time went by, we noticed that a certain number of the police officers sent to Portugal were poorly informed about the progress of the investigation. One of them who - like the majority - was coming to Portugal for the first time, was wearing a green and yellow rubber wrist band, bought for £2, which he played with nervously. The inscription read, "Look for Madeleine." Some of his colleagues told him that he would soon get rid of it. As a matter of fact, he took it off as soon as he got properly into the investigation and he had learned about the evidence placing doubt on the theory of abduction.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:38:AM
SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOUR AND CONTRADICTIONS

THE MURAT CASE

On May 10th, the crisis unit's meeting goes on until 2'oclock in the morning.

I receive a phone call from Sofia, who insists on my going home: our Shitzu dog is dead. She found it that morning, lifeless on the ground, with a head injury. She did everything to make sure the girls did not see it, but she didn't have the courage to remove him. When I arrive, everyone is already in bed. I place the Shitzu in a plastic bag, not sure about where I am going to be able to bury him. The ground is hard here. it's not easy to dig a hole and I hardly have the time for it. I decide to drop his remains into a bin. The animal is small, but he seems to weigh more than usual. I use my car to take her. As I am getting rid of it, I realise just how easy it is to hide a body - and how difficult it is to bury....When I get back, I discuss it with Sofia: she is afraid. She asks me to abandon the investigation and to worry about our daughters rather than other people's. For her, the dog's death is a bad omen. I reply that she is unfair, that her fears are irrational. Justice must be done for Madeleine, as for all other children and adults. It's my duty as a police officer: to seek the truth so that justice may be done.

At around 8 o'clock that morning, I drive towards Portimão. I could drive with my eyes closed; this helps me to focus on the latest developments in the investigation. All I notice is the impasse we find ourselves in. I have the impression that we are chasing a ghost. The previous night, we had reviewed Jane Tanner's witness statement in detail: the individual whom she saw parading around in the open street with a child he had just abducted seems less and less credible to us.

- And where would he go then? If, as we have assumed, he didn't have a vehicle, he must have hidden in an apartment in the area.

- On the route he took, there are several apartment blocks and two houses. They were all searched on May 5th, but nothing was found.

- A thorough search?

- More than 500 apartments were visited that day; in those conditions, only a general examination can be conducted, except where something seems suspicious. The houses in the area have gardens, swimming pools, numerous hiding places that are not easily spotted during a first visit.

Instead of taking the exit road for Portimão, I continue my journey on the motorway. I need to reconstruct the individual's path. If he had planned his crime, he probably wouldn't have taken this direction. And if, on the other hand, he hadn't planned it? I need to work it out for myself. In Vilada Luz, I park my car below the apartment blocks. Journalists are on the lookout around the apartment; fortunately, they don't see me. I walk the same route that the stranger must have taken. I arrive in front of a house with a neglected garden. Inside, there are two parked cars, whose registration numbers I note down. I communicate the numbers to the police in Portimão and wait there for the result of the check. After a few minutes, a green vehicle, driven by an individual wearing glasses, stops in front of the entrance to the house. The driver goes in quickly. His face is familiar to me but I don't know who he is. I notice a child's seat inside the car. The man comes back out a little later, supporting an elderly lady whom he accompanies towards the area of the swimming pools and the Tapas restaurant. They cross a park where a few buildings have been erected. Madeleine's parents took this route to take their children to the play centre, near the main reception area of the hotel complex. Since the start of the investigation , a team has been permanently on the premises and an apartment has been placed at their disposal. I am about to make enquiries of the police officer on duty when the individual comes back from his walk and greets him as he passes.

- You know that man?

- Yes, he presented himself to the GNR on Friday morning and offered his services as an interpreter. He is of English origin but speaks good Portuguese. He's called Robert Murat.

As the law demands, all foreign people interviewed by the police must have the benefit of an interpreter. In this investigation, the considerable number of interviews we had to conduct in record time forced us to call on the services of volunteers.

- And this guy, you checked him out? No criminal record or trouble with the law?

- No, no, it's all OK, but I didn't know he lived here. It's true that his house is on the route taken by the abductor.

- Stay here, carry on being friendly with him; I'm going to Portimão to see what we've got on him: we've got to find out more about this guy.

I immediately telephone the team to alert them. The Director of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Faro has to be involved in a meeting the same morning, where we will discuss the case of Robert Murat. We decide to request the latter's help again in order not to lose sight of him. We must act with the utmost speed, because Madeleine could be in one of the houses he has access to. The investigators continue to check the information we have about him. He is English, aged 33 and is separated from his wife. The latter lives in Great Britain with their daughter; the latter is nearly the same age as Madeleine and looks like her. The English journalist to whom he gave this information during an interview was immediately distrusting of him and the reasons that motivated him to help the police. Murat has lived with his mother in Vila da Luz for several years, but he goes to England regularly. Back from his last stay in Exeter on May 1st, he has to return there on the 9th. He is ready to postpone his departure, desirous above all, he states, of helping the police to find Madeleine.

His behaviour starts to seriously intrigue us. He often makes reference to similar cases that happened in the United Kingdom and which he seems to know in detail. He displays suspicious curiosity and seeks to know more. He offers to help us identify possible suspects. He knows the workings of the Ocean Club and the habits of the holiday-makers very well. He even, allegedly, tried secretly to access the investigation files. It is also known that he visits web sites of a pornographic nature.

His mother has set up a desk near the Tapas restaurant in order to gather and give out information about Madeleine. We don't know if this woman's actions are philanthropic in nature, or if she is hoping to keep well-informed of all the information circulating about the case. Members of the British agency CEOP (Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre), take a close interest in Murat and work to develop his psychological profile.

If it's him that's holding Madeleine, we must monitor all his contacts and places he has access to. His house is therefore being closely watched. Technicians arrive from Great Britain with sophisticated equipment, capable of detecting the presence of people inside a building. Unfortunately, the characteristics of the building make this computer display impossible. So, stick to the investigations and conventional tailing. This is how we discover his relationship with a married woman of German origin, Michaela Walczuch. She is 32 and works as an estate agent. She is the wife of Luis Antonio, a Portuguese man aged 33, a technician responsible for the maintenance of swimming pools. The couple have an 8 year-old daughter and live in Faro. The relationship is strange. Michaela is still living with her spouse, and Robert visits them as if it's no big deal. All of them seem happy with this situation. And the little girl? What does she think about it?

On May 12th, the suspect rents a car, in which he drives kilometres over rough tracks for basic essentials. He explains later: that day, his mother had needed his car for her information desk. We are assuming that he noticed he was being followed.

We then decide to search his residence and the vehicles he uses. During the night of May 13th, the Prosecutor of the Republic and the judge go to the court in Portimão, where, in view of the growing suspicion and the urgency of the situation, a search warrant is issued to them.

JANE TANNER FORMALLY RECOGNISES ROBERT MURAT

Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. But does he resemble the description she painted previously?

The investigator, with whom Murat is on friendly terms, is with him in a bar until 2 o'clock in the morning. We are not about to relax surveillance. As soon as he gets home, police officers are stationed around his house in order to monitor all entrances. The crisis unit is buzzing; the teams are preparing for the search. It will be carried out at 7am - the legally designated time -, when the journalists are not yet on the streets. The operation is kept secret. We request reinforcements from the GNR. For the moment, we have no evidence against Murat, only suspicions. If we had been certain that Madeleine was in the house, we wouldn't have had to wait for daylight to intervene. Scenes of crime specialists accompany us in the search for evidence. Outside, two rainwater recovery tanks are explored with the help of divers. We pack up a few items of clothing to send to a laboratory that will carry out the search for fibres, hair, traces of blood that possibly came from Maddie. The cars are also gone over with a fine tooth comb. Laptops are seized and their contents examined by specialists. We find a cutting from a British newspaper, dated 23rd September 2006, that refers to a case of paedophilia.

THE FIRST SUSPECT

Robert Murat is placed under investigation and interviewed at the offices of the police in Portimão from 10am. He does not wish for the presence of a lawyer. He is the first suspect who will be declared arguido. As such, he benefits from certain rights, one of them being to remain silent. But he does not assert that right and responds to all questions put to him. Despite obvious nervousness, his statements are clear and precise.

We ask about the reasons for his arrival in Vila da Luz on May 1st, four days after the McCanns' - the hypothesis of planned abduction is considered. Murat could have entrusted the observation to an accomplice, who would have chosen Madeleine and observed the parents' habits as well as their pattern of monitoring the children.

We want to know more about his circle of friends and the places they frequent. During the evening of the disappearance, he remembers having heard a siren shortly after 10.30pm. He was then in the kitchen with his mother. The next morning at around 9 o'clock, he asked a passer-by what had happened, and that was how he learned about Madeleine's disappearance. He then decided to go and offer his help.

All Murat's statements are immediately checked. We check the places he says he went to with Michaela, looking for CCTV cameras or witnesses able to describe the clothes he was wearing that day. We would like to compare them with the description provided by Jane Tanner.

We ask him about a telephone call intercepted after the announcement of the disappearance. His response is very vague. We know that towards 11.30pm, Michaela phoned Murat. Then, he called a certain Sergey Malinka, and straight afterwards, Michaela. We will never know the content of these conversations; no one will give us plausible explanations. The answers are evasive: "I no longer remember," or "that was about the web site for the estate agency." Sergey Malinka is Russian, aged 23. He works in computers and lives with his parents in Vila da Luz, 300 metres from the Ocean Club. His mother, a housewife, is employed by a cleaning company that does certain apartments for the club. He is seeing a young Portuguese woman, aged 33, mother of a teenager. The wife of one of his associates, of British origin, states that in 2006, he boasted about having had sexual relations with a minor, aged 14, and related how the father had surprised them; he allegedly stated that currently he maintains a relationship with an older woman and her daughter at the same time. Interviewed, he refuted these allegations: he claims that it's vengeance on the part of his associate, unhappy with the way their shared company worked out.

Murat and Michaela intend to open an estate agency together. They were looking for a computer engineer to build a web site and had thus met Sergey. It was to discuss this that they arranged a get-together near the Ocean Club on May 2nd. Luis Antonio was seen in the area. Was he watching his wife? That speculation is hardly credible since he seemed to accept his wife's relationship with Murat.

On May 14th, the home and vehicles belonging to Michaela and Luis Antonio are searched. The couple are interviewed in the afternoon. Michaela hints that she suspects her husband. Luis Antonio, as a person responsible for maintaining swimming pools, has access to a great number of hotel or private residences, spread throughout the Vila da Luz and Lagos area. Certain buildings are closed for a good part of the year, but in spring, the pools are prepared before the summer season. Searches are ordered of all the residences concerned, without success. No trace, anywhere, of Madeleine. We're back to square one.

The discovery of a key at Murat's house revives the hope of finally getting a lead. He tells us that it belongs to Michaela, and that it must have been dropped accidentally. Where was that key before it was found at his house? In Michaela's pocket? In her bag? We learn that it opens the door of a garage where Luis Antonio stores his maintenance products. A team is sent immediately to the part of Lagos where this garage is situated. The search proves as disappointing as the others. Nothing is found. Once again, no evidence of Madeleine's presence.

FOR THE PROFILERS, MURAT IS THE GUILTY PARTY

Since Murat's first interview, which they attended, the specialists have continued to refine the profile of the suspect. They have heard about the statement from one of his so-called childhood friends, put on file by the police department: according to him, Murat had an affirmed penchant for bestiality. He recounted his attempts at sexual relations with a cat and a dog, subsequently killed, he states, with cruelty. Moreover, he allegedly attempted to rape his 16 year-old cousin. This individual describes Murat as someone violent with behavioural problems, a sexual pervert, sadist, and misanthropist. We are somewhat sceptical. All the same, according to the English profilers, there is a 90% chance that he is the guilty party. That seems to us to be a bit too easy. We think that drawing conclusions based essentially on the statement of an ex-convict is rather dangerous.

As if the memory of the McCann family's friends suddenly came back to them, all - Rachael Mampilly, wife of Matthew Oldfield, Fiona Payne, wife of David Payne, and Russell O'Brien Jane Tanner's partner - recall having seen Murat on the night of May 3rd, shortly after the announcement of the disappearance, in the immediate vicinity apartment 5A. Meanwhile, of course, Murat's picture has been shown on television and in certain newspapers. They themselves were in direct contact with him during the previous days. However, it is only on May 16th that they deliver this information to us. As for the officers of the National Guard who were on the spot, they didn't see him that night, only the next morning, when he came to offer his services as interpreter.

On July 11th at 10am, a confrontation is organised between the witnesses - Rachael Mampilly, Fiona Payne and Russell O'Brien - and Robert Murat. Nothing new comes out of it. The former persist in stating that the suspect was definitely in the area on the night of the disappearance. Murat denies the whole thing and even accuses them of lying. Each side stands its ground. The only positive aspect of this meeting: the McCanns' friends undertake to return to Portugal for the purpose of the investigation. That will not happen.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:42:AM
A MAN WITH A CHILD IN HIS ARMS

May 3rd, after 9.27pm, Dolphin restaurant,Vila da Luz
The Smiths, from Ireland, are spending their holiday in Praia da Luz. After having dinner at the restaurant, they go to Kelly's bar, 50 metres away. They leave there at around 9.55pm to go back to their apartment in Estrela da Luz, west of the Ocean Club, 300 metres further on. They don't stay late because the next morning one of them has to go back to Ireland. It's a big family, of four adults and five children: the father, aged 58, retired, and his wife; their 12 year-old daughter; their two grand-children aged 10 and 4 (their mother stayed in Ireland); their son accompanied by his wife - who is pregnant - and their two children aged 13 and 6.

They go in a northerly direction, the group spreading out; the children are never far away from the adults. There's nobody about. They climb a few steps to reach 25 de Abril street, cross it and turn left into 1 de Maio street, that runs along the west side of the Ocean Club. They haven't gone 30 metres when they come across a man walking up the middle of the road. He is carrying a child in his arms, head resting on his left shoulder. The Smiths don't see the face of the little girl, whose arms hang by her sides. She is dressed in pale-coloured, maybe pink, pyjamas; her feet are bare, she is white and she has blonde hair that covers her neck. The individual's appearance gives the impression that he is not a tourist. He is wearing cream-coloured or beige trousers, classic in style, perhaps linen or cotton. He is a white man, aged around 30 to 35, with no other distinguishing features: he is between 1.70m and 1.80m tall, is visibly in good physical condition; his brown hair is cut short, his face is tanned.


At this time, images of Robert Murat - considered to be the main suspect - begin to be circulated all over the world. After they return to Ireland, the Smiths continue to follow the case. They learn that, according to Jane Tanner's statements, Murat is definitely the man encountered on the night of the abduction. Mr Smith then gets in touch with the Irish police to relate what he saw on the night of May 3rd. He insists, categorically, that the man they came across with the little girl in his arms was not Robert Murat. He is sure of it because he knows him. With hindsight, he is utterly convinced that the little girl was definitely Madeleine. We secretly organise for the Smiths to come to Portugal. On May 26th, in the offices of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Portimão, we interview the father and his son. What they say seems credible. However, because of the dim street lighting, they say they would have a hard time formally recognising the man who was carrying the child. On the other hand, they describe very clearly how the man was holding the little girl and how he was walking. That scene is indelibly printed in their memory. After their interview, they went back to the scene, accompanied by investigators. They indicate the precise place where they came across the man.

Their coming to Portugal as well as their statements are kept secret. Within a few days, they go back to Ireland, but contact is maintained: they undertake to let us have any further details they remember. We finally have credible witness statements about that stranger who, on the night of May 3rd, was walking in the streets of Vila da Luz with a child in his arms.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:45:AM
MAJORCA, SEPTEMBER 2005

Madeleine McCann is two and a half years old and the twins just a few months when they go on holiday to Majorca with their parents. Three couples and their children go with them: David and Fiona Payne with their one-year-old daughter (Fiona is pregnant with their second child); S. and T., with their two children aged 1 and 3; finally S.G. and K.G., who have a one and a half year old daughter, E. (K.G., is also expecting a child). The trip was organised by David Payne. The latter rented a villa big enough to accommodate all of them.

S.G. got to know Madeleine's mother at university in Dundee, between 1987 and 1992. K.G. met Gerry McCann for the first time at his wedding to Kate in 1998. They become good friends, see each other regularly, spend weekends together and phone each other often.

After dinner on the third or fourth evening in Majorca, the friends are all settled on the patio. They are having a drink and chatting when K.G. witnesses a scene which flabbergasts her and makes her fear for the safety of her daughter and the other children. She is sitting between Gerry McCann and David Payne when she hears the latter ask if she - probably Madeleine - did "that": he then puts a finger in his mouth and begins sucking it while putting it in and out - the sexual connotation is obvious - while with the other hand, he traces small small circles around his nipple in an explicitly provocative way. While K.G., stupefied, regards Gerry and David, an uneasy silences settles around the table. Then they all start chatting again as if nothing happened. K.G. starts to distrust the way David Payne relates to the little ones. On another occasion, she sees David Payne making the same gestures while speaking about his own daughter. At this time, it's the fathers who give the children their baths, but K.G. no longer lets Payne near her daughter. After the holiday, K.G. will only meet the Paynes on one occasion, and she will not speak to them. Over the next two years, relations between K.G., S.G. and the McCanns becomes distanced; they will only see each other now at children's birthday parties.

This witness statement from the couple, S.G. and K.G., is taken by the English police on May 16th, thirteen days after Madeleine's disappearance. That information, very important for the progress of the investigation, was never sent to the Portuguese police. When the Portuguese investigators learn about similar events that allegedly took place during a holiday in Greece - without, however, obtaining reliable witness statements -, they tell the English police, who, even at this point, refrain from revealing what they know on the subject.

It will only be after my removal from the investigation, in October 2007, that this statement will finally be sent to the Portuguese police. Why did the British keep it secret for more than six months? It is all the more surprising that David Payne, who had planned the trip to Majorca - of whom it was known that his behaviour towards the children was, to say the least, questionable -, is the same person who organised the holiday in Portugal, that he is one of those closest to Madeleine and that he is the first friend of the family to have been seen with Kate McCann just after the disappearance (we will talk further about this). He was still present in Vila da Luz when the English police received that witness statement: why wasn't he interviewed immediately? Without doubt, the Portuguese police could have made progress with the investigation thanks to that lead: such behaviour would merit close attention. Were we looking in the right direction? Might we have established a link with the events of May 3rd? It is difficult to seriously doubt these witnesses.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:47:AM
RETHINKING THE FACTS

May 3rd 2007, 5.30pm. Terrace of the Paraiso Restaurant, Praia da Luz, 600 metres from the resort complex.

Apart from the McCanns and Diane Webster, Fiona Payne's mother, the whole group of friends are having something to eat. The children are running and playing on the terrace. Others of Madeleine's age, are coming and going between the restaurant and the beach. Everything is peaceful on this late afternoon. At 6.13pm, the men leave the table and go on foot to the resort. A quarter of an hour later, it's the turn of the women and children to go back. A few minutes go by. David Payne catches up with Madeleine's father, who is playing tennis, and asks him where Kate is. Gerry replies that she has gone back to the apartment with Madeleine and the twins. David goes there immediately.

What did he go there to do? How long did he stay there? How were the children? Did he see them, did he play with them? From that moment on, the witness statements differ. According to Gerald, he stayed in the apartment for 30 minutes; according to Kate, on the other hand, no more than 30 seconds. This difference of opinion is important enough to be taken into consideration. It's not the only one. David Payne allegedly went to the McCanns' apartment to find out if Madeleine's mother needed anything, if he could help her to take the children to the play area. He relates having seen Madeleine and the twins; the image apparently evoked for him that of three immaculate angels. Let's note that at 7pm, the last person to see Maddie - apart from her parents - is David Payne.

There is a whole other version of that late afternoon, that of Fiona Payne. According to her, Gerry was not playing tennis but was in the apartment with Kate and the children. Apparently, she accompanied her husband when he went to the McCanns' apartment. Who is telling the truth? The photos taken on the terrace of the Paraiso prove that Fiona, her friends and their children left the restaurant 15 minutes after the men's departure - one of them David. What do these easily discernible contradictions signify?

May 4th 2007, 7am Sargaçal, a village close to Vila da Luz

Y.M., an English woman, aged 52, a social worker with child protection services for more than twenty-five years, is spending her holiday in the Algarve. She is watching an English television channel when she hears the news about Madeleine's disappearance in Vila da Luz. She decides to go there immediately to support the parents. Shortly after 9.30am, with the help of police officers on the spot, she manages to approach them. They are in the company of a man who is introduced to her as a friend of the family. The McCanns are deeply upset, and Kate cries a lot. Y.M. starts to ask them questions, to find out the frequency of visits to the children during dinner - they respond that the visits took place every hour - and asks Gerald if he is the biological father in order to immediately eliminate the hypothesis of parental abduction.

Little by little, Kate starts to get annoyed: she thinks it's up to the police to ask these questions; besides, there should be more of them looking for her daughter; she insists that it was a couple who abducted her...Y.M. assumes that the McCanns distrust her. So, she shows them the official documents issued by the police and the English government certifying her professional qualifications. The friend of the family examines the papers and confirms their authenticity. In spite of this, Madeleine's parents don't seem to be very appreciative of this offer of collaboration. Y.M. tries to take Kate aside to speak to her quietly and ask her for more information about this couple who allegedly abducted her child. But she refuses, reacts aggressively and refuses to be separated from her two companions. Y.M. worries about the extreme state of agitation that Kate is in and notes that the latter has still not been examined by a doctor when she really needs to be.

During this encounter, Kate tells Y.M. that her daughter disappeared thirteen hours ago. If you do the calculation, that means that Madeleine would have been abducted at 9pm and not at 10pm. That contradiction is important; it has to be taken into account in analysing the abduction scenarios that the McCanns and their friends will relate to the police.

The couple's spokesman, the friend who has been present throughout the encounter, ends up telling Y.M. that the McCanns want her to leave. Before leaving the scene, she advises them not to trust the media and to remain silent. Y.M. has the feeling that she has already met this man, his face seems familiar to her. Was he, perhaps, mixed up in one way or another in a case she had dealt with in the context of her work? She will later learn that he is David Payne, organiser of the trips, the same person whose sleazy attitude had been reported by S.G. and K.G. There is nothing incriminating in his past and, as we were able to verify, he has no criminal record. What we are sure of is that he has been a close friend of Madeleine's father since university.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:54:AM
ANALYSIS OF A CRIME SCENE. APARTMENT 5A

It's 10am. After dealing with everyday matters, I join the team of investigators responsible for the Madeleine case. The Leicestershire police are present at these meetings, as well as José Freitas. The latter, aged 46, is descended from Portuguese people who settled in Madeira and emigrated to the United Kingdom to find work and a better standard of living. Violent crime, abduction and illegal confinement are the speciality of this high-ranking Scotland Yard officer, who joined us eighteen days into the investigation - the English authorities consider that the presence of a man who knows Portugal and its culture could facilitate the investigation. He speaks our language with a British accent: until he left - at the time of the McCanns' return to England -, he never managed to say imprensa, which he always pronounced empresa. *

We take stock of the different operations set up, then we examine the photos taken on the night of May 3rd.

The apartment is made up of two bedrooms, a lounge, a kitchen and a bathroom. What is immediately apparent is the order that prevails in the bedroom where Madeleine and the twins were supposed to have slept. There is nothing to indicate that any abductor had passed through the window.

- How high is the window ledge?

- 91 centimetres. There is a bed against the wall under the window, where it looks like someone had slept. At the foot of the bed, against the same wall, there is a wicker armchair. No shoe prints were found on it.

- What distance between the bed and the window ledge?

- 40 centimetres. But no footprints on the bed either.

- OK, so either or: either that window plays no role, or we have a case of two people, one inside and one outside.

(*These two words, with similar pronunciation, are very often confused by those who do not speak fluent Portuguese, which can give rise to misunderstanding. The first means "press," and the second "business.")


Looking more closely, the room is not as tidy as it looks. The bedroom window is protected by a shutter that only opens from the inside. A black-out curtain, that keeps out the light, comes down to the window ledge. At the sides, just brushing the floor, are two other curtains with tiebacks; they are drawn towards the centre of the window, but not completely closed.


The right-hand tieback has fallen between the foot of the bed and the wicker armchair - the back of which is stuck to the curtain. On the left, the tieback is hanging from its holder, but the curtain isn't straight, as if someone had tried to close it in a hurry. While the tiebacks should have been hooked up, none was in the correct position. Kate insists that the curtains had been completely closed, and that the abductor must have half-opened them to facilitate his escape through the window. But the tiebacks serve to hold the curtains to the sides while they are open; to close them, of course, they must be unhooked. So, it's in pulling the curtains to close them that they would inevitably be in that position. It could reasonably be thought that the abductor had tried to close the curtains after he went through; that would only have slowed him down.


Another hypothesis is to suppose that the curtains had been arranged like that after the disappearance. In that case, we would instead be dealing with an attempt at faking the crime scene.

These first observations are not the only ones that lead us to consider a set-up. The way the bed sheets were arranged but also the child's soft toy equally raise doubts.

- Do you see how the sheets are lying? You'd think the child got out by herself....or that she didn't sleep there.

- Someone could have unintentionally touched the curtains while looking for the little girl inside the apartment.

- And the soft toy she slept with? That's not in a natural position either. How would she have found it, along the pillow like that?

- The mother says that the soft toy was beside the pillow when she noticed the disappearance, which, according to her, was its usual place.

- Which means that the little girl slept without holding it? Children normally clutch their security object to fall asleep. But if that's not the case, the way it's placed doesn't seem natural. She would inevitably have moved it turning over in her sleep.

- The pink blanket is also really tidy, almost folded.


Where cases of missing children involve the close family, modification of the crime scene is common. But the comings and goings and searches inside the apartment might be the source of these changes. We have to be absolutely sure that it's not a deliberate attempt to put up a smokescreen.

- What does the father say?

- That when he came to see the children, it was all like that, the blanket and the soft toy.

We carry on looking at the photos of the bedroom: the two cots are in the middle of the room and are in the way of an adult moving around.

- Why is there nothing more than mattresses? All the bed linen has been removed. I really wonder why...

- Perhaps a child vomited or soiled the sheets, and they didn't want to leave them in that state...


- The twins only woke up when they were being transferred to the other apartment. They sleep deeply, those English children...

- OK, no joking!

- Actually, I'm not joking, I'm thinking aloud...All the same, it's extraordinary. These English little ones are on holiday; in spite of the excitement they must be feeling, they go to sleep every day at the same time. Their sleep is so deep and so calm that they are almost to be envied.

We then examine the photo of the lounge. This room has three openings: two windows and a patio door that opens at the back onto a balcony, from where you can see the area with the swimming pools and restaurants and the road. It is this patio door - and not the front door - that is used when you want to get into the apartment more quickly, coming from the restaurant. We notice that the sofa, situated under one of the windows, has been moved: the back of it is crushing the thick curtains. If these were closed to keep the light out of the room, it's curious that those at the other window were left open.

- That sofa could have been moved when they searched the apartment looking for the little girl.

- It's possible, but consider: the window is 3 metres above the road and directly overlooks the pavement. You can bet your life that the parents were not going to leave the sofa pushed against the wall, risking seeing their children climbing onto it and falling.


- Nothing surprises me any more on the part of those parents.

- Yes, but why did they push the sofa back under the window so hastily, judging by the position of the curtains.

- No doubt it was during the searches; that could have been done by a police officer or anyone else who was present in the house.

It's the father who clarifies this point for us. He, himself, pushed the sofa against the wall because the children would not stop playing behind it. He did not consider the possibility of a fall from the window. The role of this sofa is important if you imagine the hypothesis, not of an abduction, but of an accident inside the apartment itself. If it was really away from the wall before the abduction, it may be that Madeleine had climbed onto it and fallen down the other side.

At this stage of the investigation, we have already requested the holiday photos from all of them. On the dining table, we notice a digital camera and we decide that we must acquire its contents.

- We are really going to need the photos. That would allow us to see exactly what happened during dinner, how they were seated round the table, what they drank, what they ate, how they were dressed, everything is important.

- In fact, do you know that the little girl's father got on his knees imploring the GNR police officers to help him when they arrived?

- That man, usually so cold, apparently lost control?

- ???

- Contamination... deliberately make his trousers dirty to hide compromising marks...

- I think you're watching too many thrillers. Don't forget that it's his daughter who has disappeared!

- There are two beds in the parents' bedroom, which have been pushed together; there is a wide space on the right, up to the wardrobe. One of the two days has visibly not been occupied.


- I don't understand the point of leaving so much space on the right.

- Normally, one of the two cots was there.

- So, the couple slept in that bedroom with the twins, and Madeleine in the other? OK... But why, on that night, are the three children sleeping alone in the other bedroom?

- Not necessarily alone. In the photo, you can clearly see that the second bed, under the window, has been occupied.

- So, only one person slept in the parents' bedroom.

- The mother would have left the father to sleep alone? That could mean there was trouble between them?

- Now, they walk around hand-in-hand. And if something had happened during the holiday?

- So many issues to be clarified.... Is that a little box of.....pills?

- No, no, it's Band-aids.

- Where is their medication? None has been found, not even a bit of Benuron*. For doctors...

- Perhaps they took it with them when they took the twins from the apartment. Now, it's a bit late to clear up that detail.

- The little ones weren't ill, so why were their parents eager to take the medication with them?

- Perhaps it was intentional, perhaps not..

- Or it's quite simply at the bottom of a bag, and no one thought to ask them about it.

(* Medication for everyday use - paracetamol - for pain and fever)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:56:AM
A RATHER WEAK MONITORING SYSTEM

One of the main difficulties in this investigation was to reconstruct the chronology of events. To determine the exact time of Madeleine's disappearance, we were dependent on the witness statements of the parents and friends. There is no doubt that the adults (apart from the Paynes, who were using a baby monitor) were taking regular turns during dinner to check that the children were asleep - the restaurant's register confirms it. Nevertheless, after the meal, the children could sometimes be left for more than an hour without supervision. Until May 3rd, the adults made the trip every 30 minutes; on that night, according to what the group said, the intervals between visits did not exceed 15 minutes.

 TWO CONTRADICTORY LISTS AND A TORN UP CHILDREN'S BOOK

It is Russell O'Brien, who hands over to the first police officer to arrive on the scene, two lists written on the cover of a children's sticker album, that probably belonged to Madeleine. How come it had been torn up? A child has just disappeared and one of her books is used to write on? That pays very little consideration to...Didn't they have anything else to hand, a slip of paper or a paper napkin? Another unanswered question.

These two lists describe, hour by hour, how the evening progressed.

On the first, we read:

8.45pm - All assembled at poolside for food.
9.00pm - Matt Oldfield listens at all three windows 5A,B,D
ALL shutters down.
9.15pm - Gerry McCann looks at room A ? Door open to bedroom.
9.20pm - Jane Tanner checkS 5D - Sees stranger walking, carrying a child.
9.30pm - Russell O'Brien in 5D - poorly daughter.
9.55pm
10pm - Alarm raised after Kate
(At the bottom of this list is the name GERALD in block capitals.)

On the second list differences are noted that are not trivial.

8.45 - pool
Matt returns 9.00 - 9.05 - listened at all three.
- all shutters down.
Jerry - 9 10 - 9.15 in to room - all well
? did he check?
9.20/5 - (??) Jane checked 5D Sees stranger I child.
9.30 - Russ + ( word scored through) Matt check all three
9.35 - Matt checks door Sees twins

-\
9.50 Russ returns
9.55 - Kate (word indecipherable) Madeleine
10.pm - Alarm raised.

(Translator's note: I have tried to copy the above from the originals.)

The writing is irregular, the syntax unconventional and the description of comings and goings confused. Why two lists? And why, in the first, is apartment 5A left for 45 minutes without checking?

If the witness statements from employees and tourists are to be believed, once the alert was raised - the time is also vague, between 10pm and 10.30pm according to the investigators -, all the dinner guests rushed to the apartment, as if there was a medical emergency. Only the grandmother, Diane Webster, stayed at the table for a few more minutes. It is highly likely that inside the apartment, they went through the consequences of their actions and the failure of their monitoring system. To minimise their responsibility and not be accused of negligence, it was necessary for them to augment the frequency of their visits. With the checks so close together, who could imagine that someone would get into the apartment? It was quite simply impossible.

The existence of two lists proves that there was a debate; the differences between them probably mean that there was no interest in being accurate.

For a reason of which we are unaware, the friends have to state that Jane saw a man carrying a child at around 9.20 - 9.25pm, and between that time and the alert (towards 10pm), someone from the group went to the apartment, saw the twins in the bedroom, but cannot guarantee that Madeleine was still there. According to the second list, it is Matthew Oldfield, whom the first list says only listened at the windows of apartments 5A, 5B. and 5D; still according to that same list, he was allegedly accompanied by Russell O'Brien at around 9.30pm and saw the twins at around 9.35pm.

Matthew Oldfield's behaviour is perplexing. According to the two timelines, Gerald's statements and his own affirmations, he and Russell left the restaurant at around 9.30pm to go their respective apartments. Matthew entered his accommodation by the front door, left again that way after glancing at his children, crossed the car park and walked round the building to go into the McCanns' apartment by the rear patio door - the only one not to have been locked. He then went to the children's bedroom. In the first list, there is no mention of this visit: Matthew contented himself with listening at the windows; in the second, Russell notes that his friend saw the twins at 9.35pm.

In the course of the statement which he made to the PJ, Matthew certifies having gone to the McCann's apartment at 9.25pm, having definitely seen the twins and noticing a definite light. What he doesn't explain, is how he could pass the bedroom window twice without noticing that it was open. On the other hand, once inside, he noticed that it was. That happens to conveniently reinforce the hypothesis of an abduction and gives weight to Jane Tanner's witness statement.

- Interesting! From 9.10pm, the intervals between visits go down to 5 minutes and not more than 15.

- Why did they need to tighten up the monitoring?

- Perhaps simply because it was at that time that it all happened.

We deduce from this that the alert was bound to have been raised before 10pm. Matthew Oldfield's and Jane Tanner's witness statements contradict each other. Those of Matthew and Kate too: the latter insists that when she went into the apartment, the bedroom door banged shut, the window was wide open and the curtains were raised by the wind. However, Matthew said nothing about all of that, only "a definite light," in the bedroom. This is rather implausible: from his vantage point - the bedroom doorway -, the line of sight between the door and the window is limited to a straight line of close to 4 metres. Which means that if the window had been open, he would inevitably have noticed it. Why such vagueness? Another obvious mistake concerns the number of windows: he mentioned two, while in reality, there was only one. His wife repeated the same mistake when she stated that her husband had listened at two bedroom windows during his second round.

Another question concerns Jane Tanner's second visit to apartment 5D. According to what the group says, at 9.30pm, Matt Oldfield accompanied Russell O'Brien as far as his accommodation, 5D, and both heard a child crying. Russell then stayed there. When he returned to the Tapas to let Jane know that their daughter was ill, the latter went to the child's bedside, in 5D, and did not come back.

These contradictions cannot hide the reality: the safety of the children left a lot to be desired.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:58:AM
CONTRADICTIONS OR CLUES

How do you explain the differences, from one to another, between the witness statements? What comes immediately to mind is that the parents did not want to be thought of as irresponsible adults. What would people think of these tourists - doctors moreover - who leave their very small children alone in their bedroom, while they dine amongst friends - a well-watered meal, since they usually consume eight bottles of wine, according to witness statements. They were bound to be all the more panic-stricken, given that they were abroad and going to have to deal with a police force and a law which they knew nothing about. So, it was important for them to maintain that the children were safe.

However, none of the buildings was equipped with a security door: on the contrary, it was simple wood-paneled doors equipped with ordinary locks. The Oldfield and O'Brien families, who also occupied ground floor accommodation, considered their children to be in a safe place since all the doors were locked. They forgot about the patio doors opening onto a little balcony at the rear of the building, which they could not watch from their table. The McCanns did not think any differently, even though the patio door wasn't locked and that, from the restaurant, as we have already mentioned, the building could barely be made out...That means that anyone could have got into their apartment without being seen. Kate Healy has always insisted that she went into her apartment the back way while Gerry says he went through the main door, the one at the front, which he opened with his key. Jeremy W., a tourist, who was returning from a walk with his baby, confirms having spoken to him for a few minutes while he was coming out of his apartment by the garden gate, at the rear. Not only is this detail important, but it becomes crucial in understanding what happened during the night of May 3rd.

- Why does Gerald insist that he went in the front way when it's quicker to go the back way?

- To show that his children were safe.

- Matt Oldfield assures us that the first time he went to check on the children, he contented himself with listening at the windows. He didn't hear anyone crying.

- His meal is going cold and, instead of using the back way for speed, he makes this long detour to listen at the windows at the front...?

- Yes, but don't forget that, apart from the McCanns, the others had locked their patio doors, so he would inevitably have had to go round.

- But when Matt goes with Russell, he enters his apartment round the front, comes out, walks round the building and goes into the McCanns' the back way.

- Gerald should have given him his key. He would have gone in the front way and left by the back way, thus saving a good hundred metres.

Besides these inconsistencies, several facts place in doubt the veracity of the witness statements - and the very existence of an abductor.

Everybody accessing the block from the front sees the windows of 5A, 5B and 5D very clearly: they're all on the same level, and are relatively close together. If Jane came across the abductor in the street, as she claims, that means that he was no longer in apartment 5A. As a consequence, the window which Kate says she found wide open, necessarily was at that time. But Jane was not aware of this detail and she never spoke of it. When she went back to her apartment to replace her partner Russell sitting with their daughter, she had another opportunity to notice it. But, once again, she noticed nothing.

Jane is certainly not very observant. This remark goes equally for her friends Matt and Russell: both take the same route, alongside all those windows without noticing that one of them is wide open.

Someone has to have lied. Kate Healy's statements leave a lot to be desired. This is the gist of it: she goes in, notices Madeleine's absence, the open window, the shutter raised and the curtains moving in the breeze. OK. The classic scenario of an abduction by an individual having gone in through the window, which is to some extent corroborated by Jane Tanner, since the man she saw was coming from the car park, just in front of the window in question.

Looking at what follows: Kate looks for Madeleine all over the apartment and, not finding her, goes running towards the Tapas, shouting, "We let her down!" Looking a little more closely at the facts.

The mother has just discovered:

- that there are only two children in the bedroom;

- that the window is wide open.

And she goes back to the Tapas leaving the twins alone again? In a bedroom with windows wide open, at night, when it's cold and an abductor is hanging about?

Such behaviour is hardly credible and difficult to justify, even in the grip of panic. A mother would not react like that, she would protect her two other children and not abandon them in their turn. She could have shouted help from the veranda to alert her husband and her friends. She could also have called him on his mobile phone...We find no plausible explanation for her conduct.

Going back to the window, there is no doubt that it was opened at some point. When Amy T., one of the workers from the nursery, heard the alarm drawing attention to the disappearance shortly after 10pm, she went to apartment 5A. She noted that the window was just half-open and the shutter was raised. The twins were still asleep.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 09:59:AM
MADELEINE'S PARENTS CALL ATTENTION TO HER DEATH

(Pictured right: Daniel Krugel.)

At the end of May, my wife Sofia visits me at the offices of the Department of Criminal Investigation in Portimão. She brings a flower basket filled with orchids, roses, lilies, and gerberas, decorated with butterflies and birds in shades of green and yellow, the two colours symbolising the mobilisation around Madeleine. A little note from my daughters accompanies it: "Papa, we love you, don't forget about us, but find Madeleine. Rita and Inès." That bouquet stayed in my office, withering as the days went by and the hope of finding Madeleine alive dwindled.

It is at this time that, suddenly, the parents seem to admit the possibility of their daughter's death. Afterwards - and to this day, if I am not mistaken -, they take exception to this hypothesis. Perhaps we were being naive, but it had seemed to us that Kate was going to provide us, indirectly, with indications about where her daughter's body was to be found. Thus, at the beginning of June, she informed us that the body could have been hidden in the outlet of a sewer pipe at Praia da Luz, or on the cliffs to the west of the beach, where she happened to run. She will say later that this information had been given to her by mediums possessing psychic power.

IN SEARCH OF A BODY, WITH KRUGEL'S MACHINE

Kate heard of a man called Krugel, a former South African army colonel, who had allegedly perfected a machine enabling him to detect the presence of a body. A decomposing body emits particles: if hair from the deceased person is placed in the machine, it detects identical particles. On June 9th, Kate asks friends to go to her home in England to collect some of her daughter's hair and send it to Krugel.

On June 28th, the McCanns request Krugel's presence in the Algarve. They want to make his intervention official and seek the agreement of the PJ. Thanks to Madeleine's hair, the South African allegedly determined a sort of imaginary line that allowed him to state that the body was in the Vila da Luz area. The Portuguese and English police learn, with amazement, about these supposed cutting-edge technologies dedicated to locating bodies. Of course, we knew that such apparatus existed, especially in the United States, but Krugel's mysterious, "machine," leaves us all speechless. Kate and Gerry, they stick to their guns. They saw a television programme in which the effectiveness of Krugel's method was demonstrated, and so are persuaded that the man will be able to move the investigation forward. Without being convinced as to the validity of the method, the police end up acceding to their request.

The show is about to begin.

At customs - in South Africa as well as in Portugal -, Krugal refuses to allow his machine to be submitted to security control: it must be neither x-rayed nor opened. He claims that this would damage it and that his production secret risked being unveiled. Finally, after long hours of negotiation, the man, his apparatus and the journalist accompanying them take off for the Algarve. It's now the middle of July. In late afternoon, they are driven to the Department of Criminal Investigation in Portimão, where a PJ team of investigators is waiting for them. They suggest that we watch a video about this famous invention - produced by the woman accompanying him - so that we can judge for ourselves. We are still not convinced. The following day, a few inspectors accompany Krugel to Praia da Luz for him to officiate.

Operations progress in the following manner.

1) Krugel climbs to the highest point west of Praia da Luz, places a hair into the machine and traces an imaginary line in an easterly direction.
2) He repeats the operation to the north of Praia da Luz and traces another line towards the south.
3) He then determines the point of intersection of these two lines.
4) From this point, he defines a corridor about 300 metres wide, bound by the cliffs on the right and the Roman Baths on the left.

The inventor then states: "Madeleine's body is in this area." The National Guard - who had already combed this area after the disappearance - conduct more searches. Once again, to no avail. As bothered when he left as when he arrived, Krugel goes back to South Africa, taking machine and journalist with him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:01:AM
MEMORY OF A CRIME

The presence or otherwise of a body considerably changes the way investigations are led. In the first instance - at least where the legal definition of a crime is concerned -, the investigation is facilitated. The body is identified, autopsied and then, with the help of any clues picked up, the cause of death is determined. If the conclusion is violent death, caused by a third party, research can get underway from a reliable point of departure.

Faced with a person's disappearance, the situation is more difficult. It's impossible to say that it's a criminal matter, and police officers have to start their investigation not knowing if the individual they are looking for is alive or dead.

If he is alive, he may have disappeared of his won free will - it is then necessary to understand the reasons in order to direct the searches - or been the victim of an abduction - the reasons for such an act are complex: ransom demand, vengeance, paedophilia, etc.

If the missing person is thought to be dead, the death is not necessarily murder: it could have resulted from an accident or third-party negligence. But without a body, we can be sure of nothing.

A BODY TELLS THE STORY OF A CRIME

I remember the Mariana case, about a little three-year-old girl kicked to death by her own father in 1999 - I was working in Açores then, at the PJ's Ponta Delgada Department of Criminal Investigation.

At 8 o'clock one Monday morning, a woman doctor, required to issue the death certificate for a child, notices that her body is covered in suspicious injuries. She alerts us immediately. We arrive at the family home. The mother is sitting on a blood-soaked towel which she is trying, unsuccessfully, to hide. The parents relate that little Mariana died in her sleep, that she allegedly choked on her feeding bottle. A pitiful lie, that does not stand up to even superficial examination of the body. Signs of violent blows are visible on her back and on her buttocks: these are imprints from the soles of the father's boots. Mariana is showing serious injuries to her skull. After having pummeled her with kicks, the father hurled her, with all his strength, against the wall. Then, grabbing her by the hair, he violently hit her head several times against the bedroom wall, under the passive gaze of the mother. Animal violence that killed Mariana. The parents then decided to get rid of the body legally, by requesting a death certificate. Tragic mistake. They faked the crime scene, washed the blood off the walls and places where the father had hit the little girl. To get rid of all trace of the crime, they threw into the bin the denim skirt that the little girl wore for the first time that Sunday. The garment covered in dust and the torn out shoulder straps attest to the violence suffered.

Mariana had simply asked to visit her godmother who lived opposite; the father, jealous, mad with rage, lashed out at her, to the point of killing her.

After the examination of the body, the medical examiner and the investigator were in no doubt: Mariana had been savagely killed by her father with the passive consent of the mother, and in front of her 5 year-old brother. In the present case, the perpetrators of the crime did not seek to hide a body but to cover up the truth.

At the time of the confessions, the man described the scene for us in a very cold way, factually, showing not the slightest regret. I had to leave my colleague to continue the interrogation alone. I was so upset. How could a father come to kill his own child? I had to get a grip on myself, I had experienced such things before.....I needed all my composure if I wanted to continue the investigation with the required objectivity. Truth and justice, that's all that remains for these children.

I have often related this case to colleagues to show them to what extent a body can, "talk," to investigators, help them to discover what really happened. Unlike other individuals, these two had neither the imagination nor the intelligence to hide the remains. In order to conceal his crime, the murderer can hide the body, or alter the crime scene in such a way as to divert suspicion. But this is not always the case. Someone may also get rid of a body without having committed a criminal act. For what reasons? Fear, for example, of being judged by his peers.

Imagine a couple of doctors going on holiday abroad, to a country they hardly know. They leave their three children to sleep alone in their apartment to go to a restaurant, a hundred metres away. When they come back, one of the children is dead. It could be an accident or murder. What do they do? They call the police and, in a way, admit that they were more than negligent. And what will happen when they go back home? What will the consequences be? Will their professional future be compromised? Will they be charged? Will they retain custody of the younger ones?

As I said at the start of the book, no lead must be abandoned while it has not technically been ruled out. In the course of the investigation, with the discovery of more details, some prove to be more encouraging than others and, for that reason, must be gone into more thoroughly. The overall scope changes. At a certain stage in the investigation, to explain Madeleine's disappearance, we had considered the scenario of the concealment of a body. But before coming to that conclusion, we had to exhaust all leads that favoured the theory of abduction.

THE CRIME SCENE IS NOT MEANINGLESS

The place the person disappeared from is the true point of departure for the investigation. It's the spot where clues are concentrated that will direct the research: finger prints, biological samples, blood and other traces. The apartment where Madeleine slept, similar to so many others, differs however on two fundamental points, which add to the difficulties of our work. It's a holiday apartment that acquires new guests every week: moreover, it is situated in a hotel complex in which hundreds of employees are moving around.

The situation is not the same when a child disappears from her usual place of residence. There, she is known, has routines, people encounter her every day with her family. It's not difficult to find out what she was doing in the hours preceding her disappearance.

In a holiday village, there is very little time available to gather the maximum number of witness statements, since some tourists are already on the point of departure. Those not achieved have to be left to the goodwill of the police authorities of the country of origin. Because of the great number of people to interview, a few days are needed to obtain an overall view of the situation. One thing is sure: only the accumulation of many witness statements enables the piecing back together of the puzzle of the events.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:05:AM
THE HYPOTHESIS OF DEATH IS CONSIDERED. THE ARRIVAL OF THE SPECIALISTS

After Krugel's unsuccessful visit, our English colleagues vaunt the work of their specialist dog team from the South Yorkshire Police Department of Criminal Investigation. Their dogs are specially trained to locate the most minute traces of blood and are capable of outstanding performance in the search for human remains and bodily fluids.

THE FORENSIC SPECIALISTS

It's July. The hypothesis of death, including by the parents, is being seriously considered. However, no lead has yet come to anything, and we find ourselves in a cul-de-sac. We have to re-centre the investigation around its point of departure, apartment 5A at the Ocean Club, in Vila da Luz. We officially request the help of the best experts in criminology and forensics but also the specialist dog team from the English police. A few days later, we welcome Mark Harrison, a specialist in murder, and the search for missing persons and victims of natural disasters. National advisor to the British police, he is well known for his exceptional professional experience. He has already participated in dozens of international criminal investigations.

His work consists of defining new strategies for research. He gets to work immediately, supported by the Portuguese PJ and the investigators from Leicester and Scotland Yard. On his arrival, we place at his disposal details of the case, as well as all our material and human resources. Harrison reads up on the statements and interviews from the principal witnesses - including, of course, those of the parents and friends -, all the analyses, simulations, hypotheses and cross-checking already carried out. He carries out a reconnaissance on the ground, by helicopter and then on foot. He paces the streets and the access roads to Vila da Luz and compares them to the diagrams created in the course of the investigation. Nothing is left to chance: measurement and timing of possible routes between buildings, apartments and restaurants; analyses, with the help of the best specialists, of weather, geological and maritime factors in relation to the investigation; consultation with the best forensic anthropologist in the country, who indicates for us what would be the actual state of the body in the hypothesis of death occurring on May 3rd; study of the region's natural carrion predators. All the research already conducted by hundreds of people - GNR, civil defence, firemen and other volunteers - is re-examined in detail and re-analysed.

After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area.

AMAZING STATISTICS

Great Britain has at its disposal the world's biggest data bank on homicide of children under five years old. Since 1960, the count is 1528. Harrison is well acquainted with its contents. He often draws information from there which helps him to resolve similar cases. Valuable information can be found there on on various criminal modus operandi, places where bodies are hidden, techniques used to get rid of a body. He relates that on one occasion, thanks to the data, he was able to deduce the maximum distance a body might be found in relation to where the crime had been committed.

The figures quoted in the report he hands over give us the shivers. The crimes, including those of a sexual nature, are committed by the parents in 84% of cases; 96% are perpetrated by friends and relatives. In only 4% of them is the murderer or abductor a total stranger to the victim. In this roundabout way, Mark Harrison points out that the guilty party may be a person close to Madeleine, and even her own parents. From now on, we have to explore this track, especially as the others have proved fruitless.

Harrison also suggests that we use the skills of two totally remarkable dogs: the first an EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog), achieves outstanding performance in the detection of human cadaver odour; the second, a CSI dog (Crime Scene Investigation) is capable of smelling the tiniest trace of blood, knowing how to recognise its human origin. To convince us of their capability and the extraordinary work carried out by these very special detectives in the course of over 200 investigations, he screens a video for us, showing their training and their intervention on the ground.

He suggests that we start the operations with the inspection of apartment 5A, then those occupied by the McCanns' friends. Robert Murat's house will also be subjected to thorough examination. In addition, all the vehicles used by all of them will be sniffed by the dogs.

Meanwhile, we were supposed to receive American electronic equipment that detects human bodies thanks to the odour that emanates from them (Scent Transfer Unit 100). But the equipment, blocked by customs, arrived late. We didn't need to use it, having obtained very concrete results, thanks to the dogs.

THE ENGLISH SPECIALIST DOG TEAM

The heat is scorching on this thirtieth day of July 2007 when two Springer Spaniels, Eddie and Keela, get off the British Airways plane, accompanied by their trainer, Martin Grime. An air-conditioned vehicle is waiting to take them to their accommodation. A vet, who will be on hand during their stay, has been brought in to intervene in case of illness or if the dogs get bitten by a snake. Their mission: to find Madeleine's body and expose those responsible.

Eddie has been involved in a great number of cases, helping the police to resolve a good many riddles, thanks to his sense of smell. Even if the body has been moved, objects the body has touched have been contaminated by its odour, especially porous materials, fabrics, the upholstery in cars, etc. And that odour, Eddie knows how to recognise out of a thousand.

Keela, a scenes of crime specialist, is capable of locating particles of blood even after a place has been cleaned with chemical products or bleach. Sometimes, the residues are so microscopic they are missed by the instruments of the forensic police, as sophicticated as they are, and it's impossible to harvest them without taking all of what they are on.

Eddie is always the first to be brought onto a site. Once he has discerned the odour that he knows so well, it's Keela's turn to go into action, on the lookout for the slightest whiff of blood. The simultaneous presence of the two elements in a given place - blood and cavaver odours - is taken to indicate that a body has been there and that it's probably there that the death occurred.

The dogs' CV is impressive. Besides collaborating in hundreds of investigations, they passed the practical tests brilliantly at the FBI's "Body Farm," the only place in the world where human cadavers are used to simulate homicide scenarios and concealment of bodies.

Amongst the most media-covered cases, which they contributed to resolving, is that of the disappearance in Northern Ireland of Attracta Harron, who was last seen when she was returning home on foot, after having been to church. All searches carried out by the police were unsuccessful. The main suspect's car having been totally burnt out in a mysterious fire, couldn't be examined. They called in Eddie, who examined the charred remains of the vehicle and immediately picked out the characteristic odour. Human tissue was found amongst the debris, the DNA of which corresponded to the missing woman. Later, the dog indicated the place - close to a river - where the victim's body had been abandoned. At the home of the suspect, where the police were searching for incriminating evidence, Eddie identified cadaver odour in one of the bedrooms. The man confessed to having killed the woman then moving her body to the banks of the river.

The case of Amanda Edwards, reported missing, is also very impressive. The police, who conducted a search of her ex-partner's home, found small bloodstains there, but no trace of a body. The dog, who was brought in for the examination of the man''s vehicle, alerted to cadaver odour on the tools stored in the boot (a shovel, a level and a compactor). The police went to the building site where the suspect had worked a few days before and discovered the body, buried in a garage. The murderer had made efficient use of his tools to carry out his task.

It's also thanks to the help of the dogs that the case of Charlotte Pinkley, a missing British woman, who had been imprisoned by her ex-partner, was resolved. The police requested the help of the specialist dog team to try to find the young woman's body. Eddie picked out a place where the abductor had provisionally left his victim. In the surrounding area, the investigators found the button from a dress that had belonged to Charlotte. That clue exposed the murderer, who ended up showing the police the place where he had hidden the body.

More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.

The achievements of the dog detectives are the result of a very long apprenticeship. It all starts with the selection of the best puppies when they are only a few months old. The most talented breed for this unusual "profession," is the Springer Spaniel. The trainer, Martin Grime, and his pupils undergo aptitude tests every year in order to obtain certificates proving their capability. In Great Britain, the police have no hesitation in calling in the specialist dog teams to assist in certain criminal investigations. Their skills are nowadays recognised by journalists, police and courts all over the world.

EXAMINATION OF THE OCEAN CLUB APARTMENTS BY THE SPECIALIST DOGS

On August 3rd 2007, I am having dinner in Praia da rocha, near Portimão, with my friend Gaivota. Unable to hide my anxiety, I keep looking at my watch and my telephone. Gaivota asks me if everything is OK: I respond with an absent-minded "Yes." A few kilometres away one of the most important search operations ever carried out in Portugal has begun. Perhaps we will finally manage to clear up the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

The investigation starts in apartment 5A. The grey jeep transporting the dogs pulls into the car park in front of the building. There is hope and anxiety on people's faces. Martin Grime gets out of the car, holding Eddie on a tight leash. He takes it off and orders Eddie to sit down. Instead of obeying as would be expected of such a well-trained dog, Eddie immediately rushes into the building. He then goes to and fro between the lounge and the bedroom in an agitated manner. Martin wonders what could be making his animal so nervous and calls him back to give precise orders. An investigator is filming the entire scene. A little later, Eddie is examining the floor in the parents' bedroom, near the wardrobe, when he lets out a strident howl, indicating that he has detected a cadaver odour. The investigators have hardly recovered from their amazement, when another, equally impressive, howl startles them. This time, Eddie has picked out that same odour under the window, just behind the sofa, on one of the walls in the lounge. That evening, in apartment 5A, the investigators begin to glimpse what might have happened.

At around 10pm, police officers see Gerry McCann, going past the apartment at the wheel of his hire car, a Renault Mégane Scenic, an impenetrable look on his face.

Then it's Keela's turn to intervene. She points her muzzle at the same place where Eddie gave the alert: traces of blood are found on the tiling between the window and the sofa. Outside, Eddie barks twice: on the veranda at the back of the building and in the garden, just below it. At this place, the dog's bark is weaker and might mean "maybe, who knows....". Thus from the indications provided by Eddie, we can pinpoint the places where the body was moved around. Apartments 5B, 5D and 5H, where the McCanns' friends stayed, are examined that same night. The investigators are expecting new developments. However, nothing happens. Eddie does not show the slightest reaction. Therefore, Keela does not get involved.

From then on, we are sure that, at a given moment, there was a body in apartment 5A. We now have to interview firemen, medical services personnel, previous tenants and employees of the Ocean Club to make sure that no death has taken place in this accommodation, which they confirm. So, we can conclude that the odour discovered is certainly that of Madeleine Beth McCann.

SEARCHES IN THE AREA AROUND VILA DA LUZ

As planned, the searches with Eddie go ahead in and around the village. To leave nothing to chance, he is also put to inspecting the area outlined by Krugel.

Mark Harrison organises a big meeting to direct the work of the search teams. He has conceived the idea of iron bars, whose production he has consigned to a local company. They will be used to sink holes into the ground which will facilitate the possible release of gas emanating from a decomposing body.

Martin, Eddie, the PJ inspectors and members of the GNR, go over with a fine-tooth comb, all the areas where the body of a child might be found. Eddie runs his nose over kilometres of waste ground, ruins, buildings abandoned or under construction, waterways, pipework, along the beach, under every bush, not forgetting the famous Rocha Negra. No evidence of the presence of a body, no cadaver odour anywhere.

EXAMINATION OF THE McCANNS' HOUSE.

"The moment of truth has arrived." That's what everybody is thinking when searching begins at the accommodation the family is occupying from now on: either we find evidence of their responsibility in Madeleine's disappearance, or they will definitely be cleared of all suspicion.

Being convinced of having made a mistake in not placing either the couple or their friends under surveillance, we decided to rectify it. We ask the Public Minister for authorisation to search and, at the same time, authorisation for phone taps. Our request is sent to the judge. He being absent, his deputy is called upon. Finally, after 24 hours of anxious waiting, we learn that authorisation is refused. The disappointment is enormous because we will never have access to conversations the McCanns have away from the microphones, and this not least because the McCanns are preparing to return to England. We cannot count on any more than the search of the house they have occupied since May 3rd, 27 Rue das Flores, which they have been able to rent thanks to money collected by the Madeleine Fund.

To avoid contamination of evidence that will be gathered at the McCanns', Mark Harrison has insisted on the availability of decontaminated premises exclusively set aside for this purpose. Julio Barroso, mayor of Lagos, agrees to lend us the garage of a new, unoccupied building in the centre of Lagos. The place is cleaned from top to bottom.

On August 2nd, at 6pm, the inspectors arrive at the McCanns' residence and present the search warrant. The principle of the examination by the specialist dogs is explained. Kate and Gerry are in the swimming pool in the garden with the twins. Contrary to all expectations, they allow us access to their house in a very natural way.

Eddie goes immediately to the lounge. He comes to a stop in front of a wicker armchair on which is lying Madeleine's small pink soft toy, which Kate was never without in the early days of the investigation. Nowadays, she wears a rosary and a green ribbon around her neck. Eddie barks to let us know that he has detected an odour: the soft toy has been in contact with a body.

The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence. These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.

At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean.

- How do I find a place at this kind of time?

- Sort it out!

Julio Barroso offers us the new sports hall in Lagos which, finally, meets the required standards. The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start. Eddie alerts us to a strong cadaver odour on some of Kate's clothes, but the CSI dog doesn't detect the slightest trace of blood.

EDDIE AND KEELA AT ROBERT MURAT'S HOUSE.

Robert Murat's residence and the adjacent grounds are gone over with a fine-tooth comb in their turn. Mark Harrison, rigorously professional, has planned to devote three days to this job. This seems long to us. We want to limit the duration of this operation to avoid having the media besiege the premises. Mark agrees not to prolong the search any longer than is necessary, and manages to finish it in two days.

PJ, GNR, Civil Defence: dozens of men are mobilised. They have to work their way through the jungle that's invaded the land all round the house - Murat will not recognise his garden any more once the investigators have been through. The ground is examined with radar, centimetre by centimetre, by a specialist from Aveiro university. In vain: the dogs detect nothing. No evidence is found anywhere within the area examined. All the same, the radar reveals that Murat's house is built over an ancient Roman villa.

EXAMINATION OF THE VEHICLES

Not having been able to find an available garage in Lagos, we appeal to the mayor of Portimão, Manuel da Luz. In this case as in others before, the police have been able to count on the practical support of the mayor's office.

Finally, on August 6th, in the unoccupied floors of an underground car park, opposite the PJ's offices, the inspection of the vehicles takes place. To be examined are those of Robert Murat, Michaela, Sergey Malinka, Luiz Antonio, the McCann couple, and one that Russell O'Brien may have used. Driven by the investigators, the cars are parked in the reserved areas, doors closed and windows raised, with a space of 10 metres from one to another to avoid contamination. According to planned procedure, Eddie goes in first; Keela will be brought in if necessary.

In the immense underground car park, Martin commands Eddie to begin the examination. The dog then intensively sniffs each of the first three cars, at tyre level, the side doors and the boot, then all round. When he gets close to the fourth, the McCanns' Renault, he becomes agitated, raises his nose while running around, as if he is trying to locate the source of the odour he has detected. Martin tells him to stop running around and concentrate on the search. Finally, he starts to growl, bark and wanting to bite the bottom of the driver's door and the boot. The odour is coming from inside. The PJ's experts examine the vehicle for hours with the help of Keela. At dawn, traces of human blood are found in places indicated by the female dog: the key and the boot. The harvested samples are packed, then sent to a forensic laboratory in Birmingham, Great Britain.

Eddie did not hesitate for a moment. He was only interested in the McCanns' automobile. No other attracted his attention or provoked any reaction whatsoever on his part. So, why would certain people want to minimise the evidence produced by this method?

Later, I am brought the witness statement of a neighbour, according to whom, the McCanns left their car boot open all the time. For Gerry's brother-in-law, the bad smell was explained by the fact that the McCanns transported their bins in it. As for the blood, it had been left by a piece of meat fallen out of a shopping bag. Kate's cousin explained that the unpleasant smells were due to the little ones' dirty nappies.

None of that stands up to scrutiny faced with the reactions of these dogs, who are thoroughly trained to detect only blood and cadaver odours.

HARVESTING OF THE SAMPLES DERIVED FROM THE SPECIALIST DOGS' INSPECTIONS.

So that the items of evidence might constitute admissible proof, the harvesting and packing must conform to the rules avoiding all risk of deterioration and contamination. It is experts from our police forensic laboratory who carry out the harvesting. The minuscule traces cannot be gathered in situ, so the tiling is gently lifted out before being transferred to the Forensic Science Laboratory in Birmingham. Photos bear witness to every stage of the operation. For added security, it is the expert responsible for the collection who takes them to FSS on the morning of August 7th. The choice of this laboratory is not insignificant. Apart from their use of cutting-edge technologies - LCN (Low Copy Number) a DNA identification test, used particularly when only microscopic samples are available -, the results, whatever they might be will not be able to be contested by the British since it's one of their most reliable laboratories. All other items of evidence gathered - the keys to the McCanns' car, hair and traces of blood found in the boot - are also sent to England.

INITIAL CONCLUSIONS

English and Portuguese police get together to analyse the results of Eddie and Keela's searches.

- What we can deduce at this stage is that only the McCanns are implicated. The dogs did not detect blood or cadaver odour other than with them.

- From now on we have the certainty that there was a body behind the sofa before being taken into the parents' bedroom.

- If the blood found behind the sofa is that of the little girl, we can assume that she died there.

- That could explain why the sofa was pushed up against the curtains.

- In Madeleine's bedroom and on her bed, there was no cadaver odour.

- On the other hand, the odour on the soft toy indicates that she was holding it when she died....

These conclusions do not, for the moment, constitute proof. If the laboratory results are positive, and only in that case, we will have our proof.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:11:AM
IN THE McCANNS' BEDROOM

The police who searched the house the McCanns were occupying, in particular their bedroom - the room where Gerald set up his office - report that the father and the mother are reacting very differently to the trouble that has befallen them.

Kate seems to be in mourning: numerous photos of Madeleine are pinned to the wall or placed on her bedside table. Spaced between them - as though watching over the child's soul - a representation of a saint, a crucifix or a rosary can be seen. A bookmark bearing the effigy of a saint is slipped into a copy of the Bible, opening on the second book of Samuel, chapter XII, where the following verses can be read:

"[13] "I have sinned against the Lord," David said.
Nathan replied, "The Lord forgives you; you will not die. [14] But because you have shown such contempt for the Lord in doing this, your child will die." [15] Then Nathan went home.
The Lord caused the child that Uriah's wife had borne to David to become very ill.
[16] David prayed to God that the child would get well. He refused to eat anything and every night he went into his room and spent the night lying on the floor. [17] His court officials went to him and tried to make him get up, but he refused and would not eat anything with them. [18] A week later the child died, and David's officials were afraid to tell him the news. They said, "While the child was living, David wouldn't answer us when we spoke to him. How can we tell him that his child is dead? He might do himself some harm!"

[19] When David noticed them whispering to each other, he realized that the child had died. So he asked them, "Is the child dead?"

"Yes, he is," they answered.

[20] David got up from the floor, had a bath, combed his hair, and changed his clothes. Then he went and worshiped in the house of the Lord. When he returned to the palace, he asked for food and ate it as soon as it was served. [21] "We don't understand this," his officials said to him. "While the child was alive, you wept for him and would not eat; but as soon as he died, you got up and ate!"
[22] "Yes," David answered, "I did fast and weep while he was still alive. I thought that the Lord might be merciful to me and not let the child die. [23] But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Could I bring the child back to life? I will someday go to where he is, but he can never come back to me."
[24] Then David comforted his wife, Bathsheba. He had intercourse with her, and she bore a son, whom David named Solomon. The Lord loved the boy [25] and commanded the Prophet Nathan to name the boy Jedidiah, because the Lord loved him."1

For David life had to go on.

In contrast, in the part of the room occupied by Gerald, the walls are bare, cold, no photos of his daughter. It's here that he administers the Madeleine Fund, organises his very busy agenda and writes his blog. His current reading material - The Interpretation of Murder, by Jed Rubenfeld, Spirit Messenger, by Gordon Smith, It's Not About The Bike: My Journey Back To Life, by Lance Armstrong, - leaves nothing at all to the imagination about the drama the family is living through. With amazement the police officers discover a series of books and manuals exclusively intended for police services and government agencies.

- Missing and Abducted Children: A Law-Enforcement Guide to Case Investigation and Program Management, National Center for Missing & Exploited Children;

- Training Courses, CEOP (Serious Organised Crime Agency - Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre);

- Making Every Child Matter...Everywhere, CEOP (Serious Organised Crime Agency - Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre).

Mark Harrison himself wonders how Gerald McCann could have obtained these books.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:14:AM
PRELIMINARY RESULTS.

PREPARATION FOR THE INTERROGATIONS.

Analyses of the residues collected following the visit by the dogs is entrusted to the English Forensic Science Service laboratory. To avoid any leaks of information, Stuart Prior, a senior officer with Leicestershire police, is responsible for liaison between the laboratory and José Freitas of Scotland Yard. The latter, who is with us, in Portimão, is passing on any relevant reports.

We confidently wait for the evaluation reports from FSS. A few days after the samples are sent, we are informed that the DNA of the blood found in the boot of the McCanns' car shows a significant match - 50% - with Gerald's, which means that it is definitely the blood of one of his children. We telephone the public minister to pass on this initial result and wait for the follow-up to the analyses and definite conclusions But the laboratory takes its time.

At the beginning of September, shortly before the McCann couple are placed under investigation, Superintendent Stuart Prior travels to Portimão to present the first of the two preliminary reports from the laboratory and to discuss the progress of the investigation.

At a meeting in our office, with the Portuguese and the English investigation team, Stuart expresses his disappointment over the test results. This is where the saga of the FSS reports begins. We read the part of the report dealing with the traces of blood lifted from the floor of apartment 5A, from behind the sofa and in the boot of the McCanns' car and we don’t agree with Stuart’s disappointment We talk about blood traces because the CSI dog is trained to find only that bodily fluid. The reports that support that decision are clear: the CSI dog was used to detect human blood. Low Copy Number, the technique used to determine the DNA of the samples, does not identify the nature of the bodily fluid they are derived from. But we know it's definitely traces of blood and not other bodily fluids since the CSI dog is trained to detect only human blood.

In the first case, the laboratory considers that the result of the analysis is inconclusive because the samples gathered provide very little information when the DNA comes from more than one person. But all the confirmed DNA components match with the corresponding components in Madeleine’s DNA profile!.

As for the second case, after an explanation about the DNA components in Madeleine's genetic profile, it concludes that 15 out of 19 markers in Madeleine's profile are present in the sample examined. Only 4 short of 100% reliability. The FSS specialists qualify the results as, "complex," and state that these 15 markers are not enough to conclude with certainty that it's definitely Madeleine's DNA profile, especially as Low Copy Number picked out a total of 37 in the sample. That means that at least three individuals contributed to this result.

But there was more in this first preliminary report. In the same report, the scientist went further and explained that in the profiles of many of the lab experts, elements from the DNA profile of Madeleine are present. This means that a major part of the DNA profile of any given person can be built by three donors. That is understandable. Two questions arose immediately. The first one: what good is a DNA profile in terms of criminal evidence, if it can be the combination of three or more donors? Another question was simple: why did the DNA profile from those three donors contribute to Madeleine’s DNA profile and not to that of any other person, like the scientist who carried out the test? But the surprises from the preliminary reports were not to end there.

On the very day that interrogation of the McCann couple starts, a second preliminary report reaches us. Contrary to the first report, it accords more importance to the DNA profile of the blood lifted from the floor of the apartment. In that sample, the DNA came from more than one donor, but the confirmed DNA components match the corresponding components of Madeleine's DNA profile.

As for the samples lifted from the boot of the car, there is no further mention of the 15 markers, as if they had never existed.

Suddenly, light was starting to be cast on the issue:either this LCN technique is not reliable or it's simply much easier to explain the presence of Madeleine's DNA in the apartment than in the boot of a car hired 24 days after her disappearance.

At our insistence, Stuart contacts the FSS and asks them if they think the Portuguese are idiots. We hear him saying: "With a lot less than that, we would have already arrested someone in England." I look at my colleagues and see that they are as stupified as I am. In fact, in Portugal, it's not so easy to arrest someone. We explain to Stuart that the McCanns interrogations would not result in detention. According to Portuguese law, the crimes of concealment of a corpse and simulating an abduction are not liable to remanding in custody.

WHAT THE LABORATORY REPORTS BRING TO LIGHT

The preliminary results from FSS were enlightening in a way, and confirmed the information given by the EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and the CSI dog.

- The CSI dog, Keela, signaled the presence of human blood where Eddie, the EVRD dog, marked the presence of cadaver odour - on the floor tiles behind the sofa in the lounge, on the key and in the boot of the Renault Scenic that was used by the McCanns from May 27th onwards.

- the bodily fluids, according to the FSS, contain markers from Madeleine's DNA profile.

These elements do not constitute concrete proof but simply clues to be added to those we already possess. In itself, the definition of a DNA profile from LCN is not considered as evidence in a criminal investigation. In his report, the English scientist says that he cannot give answers to the following questions: when was the DNA deposited? In what way? What bodily fluid does the DNA come from? Has a crime been committed?

The scientific evidence is not enough and it has to be accompanied by other types of material, documented and testimonial evidence. It is only in this way that the entire puzzle can be reconstructed and certainties can be achieved, for the material truth to be established.

The FSS has still not provided the result of the technical analysis of the hair found in the boot of the car. Once more, Stuart has to contact the laboratory. Nothing has been done. We want to know two things: if the hair is indeed Madeleine's, and if it comes from a living or a dead person. The FSS can only answer the first question. English colleagues present at the meeting raise the possibility of the hair being sent to other European laboratories which have the resources to clear up the second point for us: hair from a living or a dead person. But the FSS does not seem to want to part with the hair. They claim that using a colour comparison test they can establish if the hair belongs to Madeleine and in a second stage, identify the DNA profile. None of that will happen. We never find out if the hair was Madeleine's or her parents' or her brother's or her sister's, even though the laboratory has the DNA profiles of each member of the family.

Let's remember: it is totally logical to find Madeleine's DNA in the home, but absolutely not in a car rented more than twenty days after her disappearance.

FINGERPRINTS ON THE WINDOW

One afternoon, we drive to apartment 5A at the Ocean Club. I am accompanied by Guilhermino Encarnação, the indefatigable Polícia Judiciária Director from Faro, who is following every step of the investigation, with daily trips to Portimão. José Freitas of Scotland Yard is accompanied by Stuart Prior, to whom we explain the theory of an accident. According to Encarnação, the child's death must have resulted from a fall behind the sofa, where the dogs marked the odours of cadaver and blood. The theory is simple and based on evidence in our possession. The parents would have pushed the sofa away from the window as a safety precaution because the window opened easily and it was situated, remember, three metres above the outside pavement. When Gerald went to the apartment at around 9pm to check on his children, used the toilet and then left, Madeleine might have woken up. Hearing her father's voice coming from the street outside, she may have tried to reach the window by climbing on the sofa and could have fallen behind it. Stuart indicates that he understands and agrees with the possibility. He takes this opportunity to ask if any fingerprints were found on that window or on any others, particularly on the one in Madeleine's bedroom.

Initially, we don't understand why he is asking this question, since he has seen our report. He should know that fingerprints were discovered with the lophoscopic* analysis carried out on the night of May 3rd and the following day. The results are in the report. Why is he asking about them now? We respond evasively, "Nothing conclusive."

However, on the glass, on the handle and on the right-hand frame of Madeleine's bedroom window, we had lifted five fingerprints - three from a middle finger and two from an index finger - all from a left hand, identified as belonging to Kate McCann.

The technicians who examined the apartment did not place any great importance on the identification of the fingerprints. In fact, in the absence of obvious signs of assault or of a crime - like signs of a struggle, traces of blood or the presence of a corpse -, the technicians proceed to the kind of examination that is carried out in a burglary case. They forget that fingerprints discovered in a particular place, even if they belong to an occupant of the premises, can be of fundamental importance for the progress of the investigation and constitute valuable evidence, even material proof.

The window in question is the one that Kate Healy states she found open to the left, with the curtains fluttering, when she discovered that her daughter was missing. On the window, there were no signs of a break-in or of gloves. It had been cleaned the day before, May 2nd, by an Ocean Club employee, and the only fingerprints found were Kate's. The position of the fingerprints indicate that the window had been opened to the left, as Kate Healy stated: "the window was fully open to the left." There is no doubt that somebody opened that window on the evening of May 3rd and the only fingerprints found on it were those of Kate Healy. The manager of the Ocean Club's crèche, who went to the apartment after the alarm was raised, remarked that, "the window was partially open to the left," confirming Kate's earlier statement.

We prefer not to discuss this with Stuart Prior: we have the impression that he is only here to accompany the McCanns' interrogations and to prevent their detention. His concern on that subject is obvious.

Two pieces of information reach us, which we interpret as diversionary tactics with the obvious purpose of diverting suspicion from the McCanns. The first concerns the couple's active involvement in a campaign to set up an international alert system for missing children. The Policia Judiciaria is approached indirectly through the Department of Criminal Investigation in Portimão and the Directorate in Faro to participate and support the launch of the campaign. We tell the messenger that we are not the appropriate recipients of this enquiry, that the request should be sent to a higher authority, the National Director of the PJ or the Portuguese government.

The second piece of information comes to us from further afield: Beirut, capital of The Lebanon. Imagine this: an Arab shiekh possessed a video of an orgy by other shiekhs on which Madeleine was allegedly recognisable. He would be prepared to hand over this recording to the British Ambassador in exchange for a sum of money to be sent to his lawyer. Once again, we are stupified.

- Can you believe it? A sheikh ready to denounce his mates for a few sous...Arab royalty is so strapped for cash?

- I don't understand: haven't all of our English colleagues who have been working with us already concluded that Madeleine may have died in the apartment?

- What more does Stuart need?

- I don't know what he needs. In any case, it was him who told us he had arrested people in England for a lot less.

After the interrogations, I had the opportunity to ask an English colleague about the outcome of the story. Did that video exist? What was on it? He responded that it had come to him in February or March 2007, well before Madeleine's disappearance...It would be interesting to know who, deliberately and with the sole object of scuppering the investigation, went and unearthed a video from before Madeleine's disappearance, to make people believe she was still alive...

THE McCANNS' INTERROGATIONS.

THE NERVOUS ENGLISH POLICE.

As the date for the interrogations approached, Stuart became more and more nervous and he was a constant presence. He wanted to be kept up to date on the smallest details. We explain to him what is going to happen, notably the sending of a rogatory letter to the English authorities to request specialist dog team examinations of the homes of the McCanns and their holiday friends, in Great Britain, to check if any object or piece of clothing retained any cadaver odour or blood. We ask Stuart to request that these examinations be carried out by the specialist dog team that we already know, with the same EVRD and CSI dogs, Eddie and Keela and with Stuart's agreement, we send him the letter.

We don't know what clothes the McCann couple and their friends were wearing on the evening of May 3rd. At the start of the investigation, we had requested all photos and videos from that day and from the other days, but all we received were daytime photos; it was as if in the evenings and during the now famous "Tapas," dinners, no photos had been taken despite the fact that some of the diners had cameras with them. The lack of night time photos was something we have never understood. Within the rogatory letter, we ask the English authorities to seize photos and videos taken throughout the holiday at the Ocean Club.

In the McCanns' home, we would like to check a medical monitoring chart recording Madeleine's problems with sleeping. This chart had been mentioned by Kate and according to her mother, it was only used until April 2006, when Madeleine regained a regular sleep pattern and slept right through every night without interruption. We also wish to pick up the diary that Kate started to keep from May 3rd. Finally, we would like to question the group of friends again, to confront them about their contradictions concerning their system for checking the children during the evening dinners at the Ocean Club.

At the same time, we hope to obtain a response to our request to the British authorities, made through the liaison officer in Portugal on the first day of the investigation, for information on the McCann family and their friends. Given the fact that we have, so far, received no response to this enquiry, we will make the request for the desired information through the rogatory letter. We ask Stuart about this matter and he says that, "they are in the process of gathering that information."

However, a preliminary response comes to us about the McCanns' financial situation: astonishingly, there are no records of the McCanns holding any credit or debit cards.

- That's quite simply not possible!

- They don't have credit cards? However, we know that they hold at least two: one which they used to pay for the flights, and a second which was used for the hire of the Renault Scénic.

- The English need to sort themselves out. We need the McCanns' financial statements from the start of their holiday in Portugal.

It's obvious we're going to have a hard time getting the required details: with such information, it would not be difficult to follow the McCanns' trail, to know about their expenses, their movements, and to draw conclusions from what came up. Meanwhile, Stuart makes another request. He says it would be a good idea to send two rogatory letters: one for the friends and another for the McCann couple. We don't understand this one.

FRAUD OR ABUSE OF TRUST?

During a more relaxed moment at one of these meetings, I come out with an ill-judged comment. Inopportune or undiplomatic, but this is my reasoning: thinking about the kinds of crime that may have been committed if the McCanns were involved in their daughter's disappearance, something occurs to me. If they were involved in one way or another, then a crime of fraud or abuse of trust is a possibility concerning the fund that was set up to finance the search for Madeleine. Donations have reached nearly 3 million Euros.

If such a crime exists, Portugal would not have jurisdiction to investigate and try it. The fund being legally registered in England, it would be our English colleagues who would deal with the case. Our English colleagues then realise a hard reality: the strong possibility that they would have a crime to investigate in their own country, with the McCann couple as the main suspects: a prospect that does not seem to appeal to them. I notice a sudden pallor in the faces of those British people present.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:16:AM
TOWARDS PLACING THE McCANN COUPLE UNDER INVESTIGATION.

In Portugal, the criminal process is comprised of three phases: the investigation, the instruction and the trial. Under the direction and control of the Public Minister, the investigation is led by the criminal police, who enjoy total practical and tactical independence. The police officers may make a declaration of arguido status as they think fit. This status confers on a suspect a set of rights and responsibilities. One of the fundamental principles of our code of criminal procedure is that of non-self-incrimination: it is illegal for information given by a witness to later be used against him and to implicate him in a crime. The right of silence, therefore, allows him to avoid giving incriminating details. But the status heaps opprobrium on those who become arguido, in spite of the principle of presumption of innocence.

With due regard to procedural regulations and faced with evidence of the concealment of a corpse and simulation of an abduction - partially confirmed by laboratory analyses -, we decide to question the McCanns before their imminent return to England. This decision is taken with full knowledge of the facts by the investigators, the Public Minister and the Director of the Judiciary Police. (PJ)

On September 13th, the police officer Ricardo Paiva, responsible for relations with the couple, goes to their residence to inform them of the date and time of the interview. Kate reacts quite badly: she is worried about what her parents are going to think and about the reaction of the press. She even states that the Portuguese police, "is submitting to pressure on the part of its government to resolve the case as soon as possible." English and Portuguese investigators actively prepare the interviews and draw up a list of questions focusing particularly on the course of events on the night of the disappearance. The suspects must clarify for us the various contradictions raised in the course of their previous statements.

THE INTERROGATIONS

The decision to declare Kate and Gerald McCann arguidos was taken. Notification had already reached them. On September 6th, a little before 3pm, Kate arrives at the DIC in Portimão, accompanied by her press officer. Her lawyer has already arrived and the interview room is ready. The crowd has been building up outside for a while. Going through the door, Kate laughs as she says that this media scrum is good for tourism.

Her lawyer requests that she be heard as a witness and not interrogated as an arguida. We don't agree with what, to us, constitutes a backward step. Some officers involved in the investigation seem to be hoping for the miracle of a confession. We remain skeptical.

We finally decide to question her as a witness, but not to pose questions on the events after 5.30pm, the time at which she returned to the apartment with her three children. From that time on, everything she said could be held against her. According to the principle of non-incrimination, she would then have to be declared arguida since we have sufficient evidence to be able to do that.

On the subject of the press officer who was accompanying her everywhere, including to the police station, the opinion was unanimous: she had nothing to do with anything here.

- I have never heard of the role of the press officer in the penal code!...Perhaps it's the subject of the next amendment, or else it's a new method.

- Drop it. She is only going to sit near the police officers on duty and wait.

Her presence in the offices of the police during the interrogations seems unacceptable to me, useless and prejudicial to the investigation. However, she was to stay there from start to finish.

At 8 o'clock, we have a break to have something to eat, then the interrogation continues until 11pm. At the end of that day, we have learned nothing new with the exception of two details: Kate now remembers - five months after the event - that on the evening of May 3rd, Gerald was wearing jeans and trainers. Another detail came back to her: the time that David Payne had spent at her apartment. Gerald had spoken of 30 minutes, Kate now insists that he was only there for 30 seconds. We have never understood why it was so important to minimise this period of time. When Kate leaves the premises, we make sure that all necessary precautions have been taken to ensure her safety.

ARGUIDOS

On September 7th at 11am, Kate Healy is declared an arguida on the basis of strong presumptions of the crime of concealing a body and simulating an abduction. She states her name and gives her address as her home in Great Britain. Taking advantage of the right accorded to her by her status, she remains silent and does not answer questions concerning the circumstances of her daughter's death, on May 3rd 2007, in the Ocean Club apartment.

At 4pm, it's Gerald's turn to be officially declared an arguido, for the same reasons. In contrast to his wife, he seems disposed to answer questions. He begins by vehemently denying any responsibility whatsoever in his daughter's disappearance. As far as the time that David Payne spent with Kate and her children is concerned, he now says that the 30 minutes represents the total time that it took David Payne, after having left Gerry on the court at 6.30pm, to drop in and see Kate, go to his apartment to get changed and get back dressed to play tennis. But the court was reserved from 6 to 7pm. Why did David go back at 7pm, ready to play, when he knew there wasn't time?

SEAN AND AMELIE'S HEAVY SLEEPING.

Questioned about the twins, who on the night of the tragedy, stayed deeply asleep in spite of the comings and goings, the shouts and the arrival of the police, Gerald admits having been astonished himself that they did not wake up in the middle of such a racket. To begin with, he even thought that the children had been drugged - by the abductor, you understand -, but he only spoke to the police about it later.

From the start, the way the children slept had seemed suspicious to us and we wanted to have screening tests carried out: nevertheless, faced with the media coverage of the case, we had put this off, worried about exposing the parents to trial by the public. This was a mistake.

It is only three months later that Kate speaks about this possibility, suggesting that the police proceed with these tests. The National Institute of Forensic Medicine let's us know that before proceeding with this screening, they would need to know what type of sedative they were looking for. There are hundreds of them on the market. While the grandfather stated on television that Kate gave Calpol to the children to get them to sleep, several months have gone by since May 3rd. Kate, who is a doctor, must be aware that the time for obtaining convincing results has largely passed.

It is known that the sudden withdrawal of sedatives can cause sleep problems. If Kate's journal is to be believed, the twins suffered from problems of that nature during the days following their sister's disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:18:AM
AN IRISH FAMILY IN A STATE OF SHOCK.

The McCann couple return to Great Britain after more than four months spent in the Algarve. It's an almost triumphant return. The media coverage is such that you'd think you were witnessing the liberation of hostages held for years in a far-off country. Gerald McCann is shown on television carrying his son, as he descends from the plane. The child's head is against Gerald's left shoulder and his arms dangling by his sides. Gerald walks across the tarmac, still holding his son closely against himself.

In Ireland, the Smiths are watching the BBC news, which is broadcasting the event. For them, it's a shock: that person, they recognise him. That way of carrying his child, that way of walking...It's the man they saw at around 10pm on May 3rd, with a little girl, who seemed to be deeply asleep, in his arms.

This image, brings back with a jolt, that of the man they encountered in the streets of Vila da Luz, on the evening of Madeleine's disappearance. It's as if the scene is repeating itself ....Mr Smith thinking he's hallucinating, sees the same report on other channels, ITV and Sky News. From that moment, he is sure: the man they came across that night was Gerald McCann. Of that there is very little doubt. Upset by the implications of this discovery, he alerts the police and waits to be called back by those in charge of the investigation.

When we receive this information, at the end of September, we think we finally have the piece that will allow us to complete the puzzle. Because of this, we may be able to reconstruct the course of events on that cold night of May 3rd in Vila da Luz. We have a better understanding of why Jane Tanner, "sent," the alleged abductor in the opposite direction to that taken by the man seen by the Smith family. Suspicion had to be diverted from Gerald who - if he was the guilty party - would have taken this route: leaving apartment 5A, the individual who was carrying the child, did not go east, towards Murat's house, but west in the direction of the beach.

We decide to get the Smiths back to the Algarve, for a formal identification of Gerry McCann - by means of televised images, certainly - direct confrontation being impossible - and possibly proceed to a reconstruction of the events of the night of May 3rd. The National Director of the Judiciary police agrees, the process is set in motion, all the details are sorted out; all that remains is to choose the hotel where they will be put up. But the Smiths were never to come back to Portugal. After my departure, the PJ were to change their minds. They asked the Irish police to proceed with interviewing the witness. That decision was to seriously delay the process since the Smiths were not interviewed until several months later. Meanwhile, rumours were to circulate and people not involved with the investigation would be made aware of the existence of this witness; someone allegedly even sought out contact with the family, without its being known to what end.
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:20:AM
THE DISMISSAL OF THE HEAD OF AN INVESTIGATION: CONSPIRACY OR SUBMISSION?

From The Portuguese Marquis of Pombal to Lord Chatam of The British Government (1759) It is time to end it. If my predecessors were spineless enough to grant you everything you wanted, I will never accord to you any more than I owe you . This is my final decision and you will have to get used to it.

Manuel João Paulo Rocha, official and author born in Estombar on June 24th 1856, relates in his work "Monografia de Lagos - As Forcas Militares de Lagos nas Guerras da Restauracao e Peninsular e nas pugnas pela liberdade," (Lagos Monograph - Military forces in the restoration and peninsular wars and in the struggle for freedom.) how a minister of the realm valiantly defended the interests of his country against foreign powers. This involved naval battles between an English fleet and a few French naval ships in Portuguese territorial waters between Lagos and the Cape of St Vincent (which in 1759 included the area of Vila da Luz). The Portuguese government, considering this affront an attack on its sovereignty, had immediately demanded explanations from the British government.

The attitude of those in power at that time contrasts with our present leadership. Nowadays, relations between independent and sovereign states must respect standards of democracy, which weren't in force at that time. Besides, Portugal and Great Britain are now members of the European Union and have participated in the development of a constitutional treaty. The firing of the head of a criminal investigation is just a minor event in relations between nations: the man is a simple official who has to submit to the decisions of his superiors. This is no reason for hiding the grounds for this dismissal and its damaging effects on the progress of the investigation. This untimely removal seems to have been decided not because of incompetence, but for one moment of carelessness.

FROM COLLABORATION TO PANIC

From the beginning, the parents - perhaps because they doubted the competence of the Portuguese police - were set on having Leicestershire police - and not Scotland Yard - involved in the investigation. It is important to stress that the professionalism of the English police is not in question; actually a bonus for the investigation, their intervention on the ground did not conflict in any way with Portuguese national sovereignty. On the contrary, it lies within the framework of international cooperation between police forces. Faced with the globalisation of crime, that cooperation becomes essential. Portugal already works actively with other countries, whether at the level of justice, of the Public Ministry, of the juiciary police or the whole spectrum of police services. In the Algarve for example, every year, dozens even thousands of rogatory commissions, border controls, various transmissions of information are affected. Between May and September, the judiciary police - through the intermediary of the Portimão DIC, however tied up they were with the Madeleine case - actively collaborated with Spanish, English and French police forces on various cases (international trafficking of narcotics and money laundering, fraud, seizure of hundreds of kilos of cocaine) and affected a good many arrests. We are well aware of what international cooperation between police forces is about. It is based on reciprocity, trust and respect, especially when the investigation is led jointly by two countries, with foreign investigators on the ground.

During the couple's interrogation, at the beginning of September, the two police forces defined a common strategy: to go foward with the search for evidence concerning the crimes of concealment of a corpse and simulation of abduction; actively pursue investigations to find the body; get to the bottom of the causes of death. We realised very quickly that it was not going to be like that. After the interrogations and the McCanns' return to England, the British police lost interest in the case, giving the impression that their work was finished. We were left to pursue the investigation alone. It would seem that the reasons for their presence in our country were linked more to the McCann couple than to Madeleine. The child disappeared in Portugal, not in Great Britain. For what reasons did they depart immediately after the McCanns? A very hard, yet crucial question to answer.

AN ASTONISHING SHIFT

After the Moroccan lead fizzled out, new elements to the investigation, sometimes brought by the McCanns themselves, continued to feed the theory of abduction, while the British police knew perfectly well we needed to be looking for a body.

On the last weekend in September, I decide to leave Portimão to go to my virtually abandoned house in the Algarvian east. Inès, my four-year-old daughter, goes with me. She loves the countryside, being in touch with nature. If she is asked which she prefers, living with her grand-parents in Faro or with her mother in Portimão, the answer is immediate: with my daddy. Not so much because of her father as attachment to the house where she was born. Here we are then, on the way to her paradise. We stop on the way to eat, and arrive at our destination late in the evening. After finding her toys, she falls asleep very quickly in her canopied bed. The sun is barely up when she is already about, ready to visit our neighbours, a retired couple who have found a peaceful refuge here. Throughout the day, she goes back knocking on their door, even when they are out. She spends Saturday steeped in her own world and her games.

For my part, I stay in touch with the DIC in Portmão and the investigators in charge of the case. I listen to the news when, once again - things being as they are, this is becoming the norm - I am speechless: a member of the McCanns' staff states that they are in possession of a report that invalidates the work of the EVRD and the CSI dogs: the absence of a body supposedly does not allow the results to be confirmed. Would that be the report from the experts at FSS? How did the McCanns get access to that confidential information? This is hardly reassuring and risks compromising the progress of the investigation.

This statement makes us think of the challenge thrown at the Portuguese police, "Find the body and prove that Madeleine is dead," to which we could have replied with, "Show us Madeleine and prove that she is not dead."

During the night of Saturday into Sunday, our dog does not stop barking. I go out but I see nothing and nobody that could get him so worked up. He then howls by the door. I don't know what's going on, but being on my own with Inès, I decide to stay close to her indoors and not let my anxiety show. The next day, I still don't understand what could have upset the dog so much. Inès, anxious, wants at all costs to see the neighbours, but they haven't returned.

On Monday August 1st, I go back to work at DIC in Portimão, where two pieces of news are waiting for me: officials at Buckingham Palace have received an email informing them that a little girl - Madeleine - has disappeared from a hotel complex situated....in Lisbon! The second was brought to us by an English tourist - Kate - on holiday in Praia da Luz: she allegedly saw a stranger hanging about near the Baptista supermarket in the vicinity of the Ocean Club.

This is where we're at: reduced to receiving that type of tip-off and chasing a phantom, that of the imaginary abductor. This Monday gets off to a bad start, with its load of irritation and preoccupations.

BAD RESPONSE TO A JOURNALIST

In the evening, while driving, I receive an unidentified phone call, the last straw...A journalist asks me if I want to comment on the subject of the email. Whether due to the difficult day, the raging storm or the fact of driving through rain...I lose my cool. I reply, irritably, without thinking, that the message is of no interest and that it would be better for the English police to occupy themselves with the Portuguese investigation. Even as I am hanging up, I realise that I have not only made a blunder, but I have been unfair towards the majority of the British police who have helped us throughout these difficult months. I drive on, certain that I have triggered a diplomatic incident with predictable consequences: as soon as these simple words are made public, I risk not being able to continue to direct the Portimão Department of Criminal Investigation.

At last, I get home. It's when I visit my neighbours that I finally understand the reason for my dog's agitation the previous night. Their house has been burgled. The thieves left behind lots of valuable objects but snatched a briefcase containing personal documents. Deep down, I can't help thinking that perhaps they mistook their target.

The next morning, the storm and the rain have still not let up. A bad sign...Accompanied by Guilhermino Encarnação, I have to go to Huelva, in Spain, to attend the commemorative ceremonies for national police day. Before meeting up with him, I see on the front page of the newspaper the phrase I came out with the night before, transformed into a long interview. When I meet Guilhermino, I let him know about my outburst. He immediately tries to contact the national director to explain to him what happened, but can't get hold of him.

We arrive at Huelva Cathedral in time to hear the homily from the bishop of the diocese, dedicated to - this is no coincidence - the role of the police and the protection of children. A choir starts singing Charles Gounod's Ave Maria. Finally a moment of respite in the middle of the storm raging outside. We then go on to the Iberian-American Forum at La Rabida, close to the convent of the same name. It is in this monastry that Christopher Columbus stayed, waiting for financial backing from the Catholic Queen Isabelle before undertaking his voyage of discovery to the New World.

On the way, Guilhermino receives a phone call from the public prosecutor, from then on responsible for the direction of the investigation. Having taken part the night before in a broadcast by a British television channel, where he was questioned about the lack of professionalism by the Portuguese police, he is calling to assure us of his support. Knowing our work pretty well, he is outraged by the injustice of such words and hints that, much to the contrary, we would deserve praise and thanks.

THE DISMISSAL: END OF A CAMPAIGN OF DEFAMATION AND INSULTS.

At the Forum, where we attend the ceremony presided over by the government representative for the province of Huelva, I meet some friends and acquintances. It is shortly after 2pm, in the middle of lunch, that I receive the news. The National Director has sent a fax to the Portimão DIC: in it, he stipulates the end of my assignment and requests my return to Faro. Today, October 2nd, is my 48th birthday; this is not the present I wanted, but one that I was expecting. Basically, this brings to an end a campaign of defamation and insults that I have been the target of since the start of the case, the whole thing orchestrated and amplified by the British media. The strategy is simple: call into question the investigation and those who lead it and, at the same time, present Portugal as a Third-World country with a legal system and police force worthy of the Middle Ages.

According to a British correspondent, the Prime Minister personally called Stuart Prior to ask for confirmation of my dismissal. Why would the head of the British government be interested in a lowly Portuguese official? We refuse to believe the rumours going around, according to which the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon was dependent on my dismissal. Rumours, of course, nothing more. I cannot help but think that for the first time in its history, the judiciary police has dismissed a simple official from his post because of external pressure. Those wise words addressed by the Marquis of Pombal to his English ally in the year of Our Lord 1759 seem far removed: "I will never accord to you any more than I owe you."
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2012, 10:23:AM
RIA DE ALVOR, ONE YEAR ON.

A GLANCE AT THE PAST AND CASTING AN EYE TO THE FUTURE.

May 8th 2008, Ababuja restaurant.

For several months now, I have not had the pleasure of spending any time in the company of my friend and colleague, Tavares de Almeida. We decide to grab a bite to eat at Ababuja, one of a number of restaurants on the banks of the Alvor, opposite the fish market. We used to go there from time to time - a year ago - for lunch or dinner with English colleagues who were involved in the investigation. The restaurant is full, the clientele mostly British. Amazingly, we pass unnoticed and manage to enjoy some privacy. At last, a long way from the investigation, we find ourselves alone and appreciating the sunshine on this fine afternoon, its rays reflecting on the calm waters of the river that separates Lagos from Portimão, where the investigation was played out. Although Tavares is pleased to say that the whole affair is behind us, our conversation inevitably goes back to Madeleine's disappearance: we recall the extraordinary work that was accomplished, the research, searches of properties, interrogations, the expert opinions, analyses carried out with the sole aim of understanding what happened....and the bitterness of having failed to find the little girl.

- Do you remember the conclusions we reached after the McCanns' interrogations?

- Oh, let it go, it's over.

- You believe it's possible to forget? We shouldn't disregard the past but build on it to move forward.

- Eh, my friend, our Benefica has certainly got a past too, and look what it's become nowadays.

- In fact, experience has taught them nothing.

- They've moved quickly on to other things..

- Exactly, let's not forget what has happened to that little girl.

- It's impossible. What I want to erase from my memory is the cruelty committed by certain people.

- To go back to our conclusions, I am convinced that those who would like to refute them would have a hard time doing so.

- That's certain, since they rest on the facts, the clues and the concrete evidence.

A DISAPPEARANCE, A WINDOW AND A BODY

It is now important to present a summary of this case, based on our deductions: reject what is false, throw out what we can't show with sufficient certainty and validate that which can be proven.

1. The theory of abduction was defended from the start by Maddie's parents.

2. In their group, only the McCanns state that they saw the bedroom window open. The others cannot confirm it since they arrived at the apartment after the alert was raised.

3. The only person to have seen that window open with the shutters raised is Amy, one of the play workers from the children's centre of the Ocean Club. She made that observation at around 10.20/1030pm, which means well after the alert - which doesn't exclude that the window could have been closed at the time of the criminal act.

4. The witness statements raise a great number of inaccuracies, inconsistencies and contradictions. Jane Tanner's witness statement in favour of the theory of abduction is probably false: little by little it has lost all credibility because of successive modifications introduced by Jane, modifications that have ended up invalidating it.

5. The body, the existence of which has been confirmed by the EVRD and CSI dogs but also by the results of the preliminary laboratory analyses, cannot be found.

The conclusions my team and I have arrived at are the following:

1. The minor, Madeleine McCann died inside apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Vila da Luz, on the night of May 3rd 2007;

2. There was simulation of abduction.

3. Kate Healy and Gerald McCann were probably involved in the concealment of their daughter's body.

4. The death may have occurred as a result of a tragic accident;

5. The evidence proves the parents' negligence concerning the care and safety of the children.

The sun is going down over this beautiful countryside. Children are playing under the watchful gaze of their parents. I think about the enthusiasm that was characteristic of him when I met Tavares in November 1981, at the judiciary police school, and which still fires him. The past seems distant, but it's not forgotten. We gave the best of ourselves to resolve this case. Our conclusions rest on the proven facts and the evidence interpreted within the principles of the law. Our work was done in the cause of justice, based on the material truth, the only thing that must prevail in a universe where the lie is raised up as truth.

The End
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 26, 2013, 09:23:AM
Maddie is buried in the grounds of the derelict building opposdite the church at Pria de luz - until I hear officially that the Portuguese police have fully searched that site, I will forever believe that Maddies remains are buried in the spot I have identified previously...

Why the fuck don't the authorities just go there, and dig up that area which I photographed, showing a disturbance of the ground, surounded by stones, in a remote part of the garden at that location?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 08:42:AM
Maddie is buried in the grounds of the derelict building opposdite the church at Pria de luz - until I hear officially that the Portuguese police have fully searched that site, I will forever believe that Maddies remains are buried in the spot I have identified previously...

Why the fuck don't the authorities just go there, and dig up that area which I photographed, showing a disturbance of the ground, surounded by stones, in a remote part of the garden at that location?

It's at times like these that it makes you think that the police are basically useless and ineffective....

Links:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQhe05pkcYg
(2) - http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/07/south-african-businessman-challenges.html
(3) - http://www.mccannfiles.com/id413.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on February 03, 2013, 09:31:AM
This is a really good site-: http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:45:AM
It's at times like these that it makes you think that the police are basically useless and ineffective....

Links:-

(1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQhe05pkcYg
(2) - http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/07/south-african-businessman-challenges.html
(3) - http://www.mccannfiles.com/id413.html

Killer used a metal bar to break rocks in sub strata whilst digging hole into which Maddies body was originally buried in the remote grounds of the derelict building across the road from the church at Pria de luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:48:AM
Killer had a key to the front door of the derelict building situated across the street from the church:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:50:AM
WHEN POLICE ARRESTED A SUSPECT AS PART OF THEIR INVESTIGATION, A KEY WAS FOUND IN THIER POSSESSION WHICH FITTED THE FRONT DOOR LOCK OF THE AFOREMENTIONED DERELICT BUILDING - but officially police did not make that connection...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:52:AM
After my visit to Pria De Luz, and I identified the location where I strongly believe that Maddies remains were originally hideen and buried, it may be that the killer recovered the remains and reconsealed them under the drive at the back of Murats, mothers property...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:53:AM
WHEN POLICE ARRESTED A SUSPECT AS PART OF THEIR INVESTIGATION, A KEY WAS FOUND IN THIER POSSESSION WHICH FITTED THE FRONT DOOR LOCK OF THE AFOREMENTIONED DERELICT BUILDING - but officially police did not make that connection...

Murat and one of these suspects were close friends...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:55:AM
On the day Madddie went missing, Murat booked a hire car from the car hire shop on the same street as the church in Pria de luz, and the direleict building on the opposite side of the road...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:59:AM
Hire car parked in street where car hire shop is located, at any stage after Maddie went missing, whilst the said vehicle was in the possession of Murat or anybody else he allowed to drive it, would not look suspicious to anyone, because that vehicle was normally parked up in that street, when not under hire...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 10:08:AM
I have been recieving spiritual urges from beyond the grave, in visions, dreams, and all manner of inspiration, to get the authorities to go to the identified site in the derelict building at Pria de luz, and elswhere and carry out a full scientific and forensic search of the disturbed ground in a remote part of the derelict building which is situated across the road from the church, and also in view of Stephen Birchs recent revelations, the rear driveway at Murats place also needs to be excavated - I arrive at this conclusion because of the visions, dreams, nightmares, and inspirational thoughts I am being bombarded with frequently, so that this matter can be resolved as speedily as possible. I do not know if Maddies remains are still in that grave in the grounds of that remote building, because somebody could have recovered them after I identified the location, and reburied them elsewhere, after I left Portugal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 10:12:AM
Maddie taken to the derelict building across the street from the church at Pria de luz, as viewed through the arched doorway from inside the church...

I am providing three photoghraphs, which pin point the place I am talking about, (1) - a view from inside the church looking in the general direction of the grave, where maddies body was concealed, and (2) - a view from the remote location in the grounds of the derelict building, (3) - the grave itself:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 10:54:AM
Morning Mike :)

Have you heard the latest?  About a Brazilian who has sent two emails.  He states that he knows where Madeleine is and knows how to rescue her.  This latest revelation is being investigated, hence the silence in the newspapers.  However, there was a publication about this story on the 20th January 2013. 

I will enclose a picture which was taken in Ibiza 2007 a month after Madeleine was taken.  Here is one of the letters.  I don't buy it, but feel I should post it anyway. 

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The Madeleine McCann case can only be solved by breaking all the investigation rules.

I have chosen the London Metropolitan police (Scotland Yard) (sic) because it is the best to rescue Madeleine McCann.

In this specific case I could chose the Judiciary police*  from Portugal, the Spanish police, the German police, or still the police from Netherlands (sic) police.

I am not going to London on holidays, I am going to work, with you gentlemen, and solve the McCann case, trust me, I am a serious man, and I have the case solved, closed (police jargon).

Important to remember you, gentlemen, that at this moment there must be strict secrecy without the presence of media. Do not do press, do not do TV (sic).

Presentation

I will do the presentation in (2) parts

1) Listening to witnesses, together with you gentlemen, and other authorities present, I will make the presentation with evidence identifying each one of the (9) bandits, that participated in Madeleine’s kidnap, including how they acted.
2) After we listen to the witness, I will make the (2) second part of the presentation, only with you gentlemen and the authorities present, including presenting the photos to all of them.
 

3) During the presentation of (2) part, already with confirmation, and identification of the bandits by the witnesses, I’ll make the conclusion of my presentation with a big and important news (sic) in the end.

1)     Estimated time for presentation 2,00 :Hours

The Madeleine McCann case, can only be solved, by breaking all the investigation rules, that means that it’s not worth it for me to be heard alone by you gentlemen, the witnesses must be all present, to identify each one of the bandits.
 

For the presentation provide with urgency
 

1) Auditorium, audience (sic) with capacity of at least 50 people

2) Smart TV 50’’ or projection panel with PC computer input
3) Flipe (sic) Chart with marker

4) Microphone

5)Wire less (sic) internet

6) Hotel in London, close as possible to Operation Grange/Scotland Yard

7) Air tickets São Paulo (GRU) London/São Paulo
 

1)

Luiz Carlos Moreno, Brasileiro, passport n.o. (sic) CZ046547

8)     People/witnesses necessary for presentation

a)     Gerry McCann

b)     Kate McCann

c)      Jane Turner (sic) [Jane Tanner]

d)     Antonio Castela, Portuguese, cab driver, Vila Real de Santo Antonio, Portugal

e)     Anne Marie Stan (sic), store clerk in Amsterdan (sic)
[Anna-Maria Stam, ref.MAIL-07-08-2008]

f)      Hannie Weichmann (sic)

[ Hannie Wiechmann ref. HERALD IE-07-08-2008 ]

g)     Frank Bode, German tourist

[ Frank Bode ref.MIRROR-31-08-2012]

 

h)     Isabel Duarte, lawyer Portugal

i)        All the authorities that you deem necessary to participate, including the 33 detectives each with their own notebook pc (sic)

j)       List of passengers of the Lufthansa flight, Ibiza to Munich, in which Mr. Bode saw Madeleine McCann (I will identify the bandits)

The Madeleine McCann case can only be solved by breaking all the investigation rules.

I have chosen the London Metropolitan police (Scotland Yard) (sic) because it is the best to rescue Madeleine McCann.

In this specific case I could chose the Judiciary police*  from Portugal, the Spanish police, the German police, or still the police from Netherlands (sic) police.

I am not going to London on holidays, I am going to work, with you gentlemen, and solve the McCann case, trust me, I am a serious man, and I have the case solved, closed (police jargon).

Important to remember you, gentlemen, that at this moment there must be strict secrecy without the presence of media. Do not do press, do not do TV (sic).

To conclude, it would be important to have the presence of the prime minister of England, Sir David Cameron.

We will need to intervene in other countries.

I am a real estate broker, here in São Paulo, I don’t want to do the role of an investigator nor of the police (sic), I only want to give my collaboration, so we can rescue Madeleine McCann quickly.

I repeat I know how to rescue her quickly.

I make a suggestion for our presentation date.

Next Saturday day 12 of January 2.013 (sic) around 10,OO HS if possible.

I will end saying, that the Madeleine Case has already consumed (millions of pounds were spent) so far, without a solution.

With all this witnesses and authorities present, I will solve the Madeleine McCann case (sic), in the maximum of 2,00 HS.

Next day 12 of May of 2.013, Madeleine will do her birthday, 10 years (sic), and we will all together celebrate with her, it’s up to us.

I remain at your disposal in whatever is needed and necessary.

Sincerely
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 11:08:AM
WHEN POLICE ARRESTED A SUSPECT AS PART OF THEIR INVESTIGATION, A KEY WAS FOUND IN THIER POSSESSION WHICH FITTED THE FRONT DOOR LOCK OF THE AFOREMENTIONED DERELICT BUILDING - but officially police did not make that connection...

Sergi Malinka?  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 11:56:AM
Morning Mike :)

Have you heard the latest?  About a Brazilian who has sent two emails.  He states that he knows where Madeleine is and knows how to rescue her.  This latest revelation is being investigated, hence the silence in the newspapers.  However, there was a publication about this story on the 20th January 2013. 

I will enclose a picture which was taken in Ibiza 2007 a month after Madeleine was taken.  Here is one of the letters.  I don't buy it, but feel I should post it anyway. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Madeleine McCann case can only be solved by breaking all the investigation rules.

I have chosen the London Metropolitan police (Scotland Yard) (sic) because it is the best to rescue Madeleine McCann.

In this specific case I could chose the Judiciary police*  from Portugal, the Spanish police, the German police, or still the police from Netherlands (sic) police.

I am not going to London on holidays, I am going to work, with you gentlemen, and solve the McCann case, trust me, I am a serious man, and I have the case solved, closed (police jargon).

Important to remember you, gentlemen, that at this moment there must be strict secrecy without the presence of media. Do not do press, do not do TV (sic).

Presentation

I will do the presentation in (2) parts

1) Listening to witnesses, together with you gentlemen, and other authorities present, I will make the presentation with evidence identifying each one of the (9) bandits, that participated in Madeleine’s kidnap, including how they acted.
2) After we listen to the witness, I will make the (2) second part of the presentation, only with you gentlemen and the authorities present, including presenting the photos to all of them.
 

3) During the presentation of (2) part, already with confirmation, and identification of the bandits by the witnesses, I’ll make the conclusion of my presentation with a big and important news (sic) in the end.

1)     Estimated time for presentation 2,00 :Hours

The Madeleine McCann case, can only be solved, by breaking all the investigation rules, that means that it’s not worth it for me to be heard alone by you gentlemen, the witnesses must be all present, to identify each one of the bandits.
 

For the presentation provide with urgency
 

1) Auditorium, audience (sic) with capacity of at least 50 people

2) Smart TV 50’’ or projection panel with PC computer input
3) Flipe (sic) Chart with marker

4) Microphone

5)Wire less (sic) internet

6) Hotel in London, close as possible to Operation Grange/Scotland Yard

7) Air tickets São Paulo (GRU) London/São Paulo
 

1)

Luiz Carlos Moreno, Brasileiro, passport n.o. (sic) CZ046547

8)     People/witnesses necessary for presentation

a)     Gerry McCann

b)     Kate McCann

c)      Jane Turner (sic) [Jane Tanner]

d)     Antonio Castela, Portuguese, cab driver, Vila Real de Santo Antonio, Portugal

e)     Anne Marie Stan (sic), store clerk in Amsterdan (sic)
[Anna-Maria Stam, ref.MAIL-07-08-2008]

f)      Hannie Weichmann (sic)

[ Hannie Wiechmann ref. HERALD IE-07-08-2008 ]

g)     Frank Bode, German tourist

[ Frank Bode ref.MIRROR-31-08-2012]

 

h)     Isabel Duarte, lawyer Portugal

i)        All the authorities that you deem necessary to participate, including the 33 detectives each with their own notebook pc (sic)

j)       List of passengers of the Lufthansa flight, Ibiza to Munich, in which Mr. Bode saw Madeleine McCann (I will identify the bandits)

The Madeleine McCann case can only be solved by breaking all the investigation rules.

I have chosen the London Metropolitan police (Scotland Yard) (sic) because it is the best to rescue Madeleine McCann.

In this specific case I could chose the Judiciary police*  from Portugal, the Spanish police, the German police, or still the police from Netherlands (sic) police.

I am not going to London on holidays, I am going to work, with you gentlemen, and solve the McCann case, trust me, I am a serious man, and I have the case solved, closed (police jargon).

Important to remember you, gentlemen, that at this moment there must be strict secrecy without the presence of media. Do not do press, do not do TV (sic).

To conclude, it would be important to have the presence of the prime minister of England, Sir David Cameron.

We will need to intervene in other countries.

I am a real estate broker, here in São Paulo, I don’t want to do the role of an investigator nor of the police (sic), I only want to give my collaboration, so we can rescue Madeleine McCann quickly.

I repeat I know how to rescue her quickly.

I make a suggestion for our presentation date.

Next Saturday day 12 of January 2.013 (sic) around 10,OO HS if possible.

I will end saying, that the Madeleine Case has already consumed (millions of pounds were spent) so far, without a solution.

With all this witnesses and authorities present, I will solve the Madeleine McCann case (sic), in the maximum of 2,00 HS.

Next day 12 of May of 2.013, Madeleine will do her birthday, 10 years (sic), and we will all together celebrate with her, it’s up to us.

I remain at your disposal in whatever is needed and necessary.

Sincerely

This guy is not demanding money he wants an audience with selected people of his choice.  He wants to do a presentation.  What do our authorities do about this guy?  Do they pay for his return ticket to Brazil and give in to all his demands or do they ignore him???????????
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on February 03, 2013, 01:41:PM
In the photograph,is the foreign looking guy holding the little girls hand? And she appears to be looking at the guy on the right.Is she with the both of them? Looks decidedly suspicious!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 02:34:PM
In the photograph,is the foreign looking guy holding the little girls hand? And she appears to be looking at the guy on the right.Is she with the both of them? Looks decidedly suspicious!

She a[[ears to be Tyler.  Not sure though, if the two men are infront or behind females of other members of a family.  There was a bomb alert at the airport and all passengers had to be removed, hence the large amount of people on an exodus.

The photograph accompanied the letter which I posted above.  It might be a crank...If someone knows something they are hardly going to send letter and appeal to police that they want an audience..But this is what police have to put up with and, it highlights the difficulties they endure when investigating such  an high profiled case such as this....

I dare bet from all the cranks that have been in contact there will be the one that is telling the truth... ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 02:54:PM
Well that photo didn't take long to solve... here's where it came from.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6256944.stm

The authorities who received that picture and even let it get past the first hurdle truly are a joke.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 03:00:PM
Well that photo didn't take long to solve... here's where it came from.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6256944.stm

The authorities who received that picture and even let it get past the first hurdle truly are a joke.

Date, image was posted:- BBC NEWS CHANNEL, Saturday, 30 June 2007, 17:36 GMT 18:36 UK
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 03:02:PM
Date, image was posted:- BBC NEWS CHANNEL, Saturday, 30 June 2007, 17:36 GMT 18:36 UK

And what was the date of Maddies disappearance, from Pria de Luz?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 03:07:PM
Yes but the person who sent this photo claimed it was taken in Brazil, when really it's a press photo from a busy Ibiza airport. You think Madeleine is passing through airports and having pictures taken by press only a month after her disappearance?

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 03:22:PM
Well that photo didn't take long to solve... here's where it came from.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6256944.stm

The authorities who received that picture and even let it get past the first hurdle truly are a joke.

Yes I know where it came from I posted that is where it was on my first post....lol  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on February 03, 2013, 08:20:PM
Police should be ashamed.

There is a website (www.tineye.com) which lets you reverse image search. You can also do it on google. Why this wasn't done right away, I don't know......Would have saved the McCanns this rubbish.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 08:26:PM
Sergi Malinka?  :) :) :)

Correct, he is a known associate of Robert Murat, and this is of interest since the potential discovery of the disturbed ground beneath a driveway at the rear of the Murat property, has been identified. It would be interesting to find out the date when the second driveway at the premises was put in? For example,m from my point of view, was this done after my own visit to Portugal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 08:27:PM
Police should be ashamed.

There is a website (www.tineye.com) which lets you reverse image search. You can also do it on google. Why this wasn't done right away, I don't know......Would have saved the McCanns this rubbish.

Mat the guy that sent that image along with two letters did not sent it to the police.  However, they knew the image was that of Ibiza...It was taken one month after Madeline disappeared. The reason for the exodus on that image was that there was a security alert at the airport and all the passengers had to be removed.  Its the flight that was important to the sender of the letter, because according to him the men with that child arrived in Brazil. 

To me the man is a crank........but, do the police have to take him serious with his claims that he knows where Madeleine is?  Or do they ignore the crank?  How many cranks do you ignore? All of I know!  But there must be one crank that might be telling the truth......However, I pass on this one, because of the cranks demands..... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 08:34:PM
The photogrtaph in question is very interesting, despite claims that it could be part of a prank put forward by a crank, see following link:-

(1) - http://order-order.com/2013/01/24/revealed-sunday-express-maddie-mccann-photo-blunder/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 08:40:PM
I have been able to identify the long haired individual on the left, holding the small childs hand, as non other than the peadophile, sex offender, Child molester, Raymond Hewlett ...

Links:-

(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-paedophile-raymond-1453749
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 08:44:PM
Correct, he is a known associate of Robert Murat, and this is of interest since the potential discovery of the disturbed ground beneath a driveway at the rear of the Murat property, has been identified. It would be interesting to find out the date when the second driveway at the premises was put in? For example,m from my point of view, was this done after my own visit to Portugal?


 Malinka sued our papers for 100k...for linking him with this case.  He had several computers and one of them he erased the hard drive.  Why?  The other one had images of children and bestiality on them.  Malinka denied he had called Murat on the evening of the 3rd of May....But the PJ records showed that he did in fact call him....When he was told this, he suddenly remembered, that he made a quick business call.....

Malkina also had a Yacht in Lagos....that yacht set sail in the early hours of the 4th to Portmieo (not sure if I have spelled that correctly)  Malinka was running a business from Lagos....for holiday makers....
Malinka's car was set on fire after M was taken...and the words Fala in red was painted on path in front of his car...which means talk!  He also had several passports...and several aliases....He was involved in some dodgy dealings.....Ha! And guess where he went to live in the end....HERE!  His mother worked at the Ocean club as cleaner, she cleaned the apartments above M's....What is more surprising is that when the Smiths saw a man carrying a child....at the bottom of the road was where Malinka lived...

Murat hired a car the next day, in a hurry!  Yet he his own car worked OK.....

Not sure about his drive way....But i remember seeing a ladder up at the hedge row that faced the Ocean Club in his back garden....I think this was in a newspaper....Not sure about the drive. 

I can now shed some more light on the missing 35 minutes......but I will leave that for now, because someone I know is working on it...and it would not be fair to reveal it yet...... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 08:52:PM
I have been able to identify the long haired individual on the left, holding the small childs hand, as non other than the peadophile, sex offender, Child molester, Raymond Hewlett ...

Links:-

(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-paedophile-raymond-1453749


So are still going with the idea that that could possibly be Madeleine, even though it's confirmed that the picture has been taken from an unrelated news article? That would be an incredibly lucky coincidence if so.

It can be said that though the man holding the girl somewhat matches the witness description of the abductor.

(http://i.imgur.com/wlmHpMt.jpg)






on second look, the man looks a fair bit taller than Hewlett.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 08:52:PM
Mike I think Hewlett was in Morocco at the time....It looks to me like the press run with the thought that it was a photo taken in Brazil....but it was Ibiza airport. 

I see the pics that you have posted and it made me cringe....not because you had posted them, but because of the likeness....Shudder!   :( :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 08:54:PM
I also think the girl in that picture is too big to be Madeleine a month after her dissapearance.

(http://i.imgur.com/z7UDWHD.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 08:56:PM

So are still going with the idea that that could possibly be Madeleine, even though it's confirmed that the picture has been taken from an unrelated news article? That would be an incredibly lucky coincidence if so.

It can be said that though the man holding the girl somewhat matches the witness description of the abductor.

(http://i.imgur.com/wlmHpMt.jpg)






on second look, the man looks a fair bit taller than Hewlett.

Well yes it does look similar!  But you have to bare in mind that the sketch was done, before Hewlett became a suspect.....Hi btw!   ;) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 08:59:PM
Hello  8)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:01:PM
I don't pay much consideration to that witness description anyway though considering it started out as this:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lWXrpwC28yU/S-81KOhAXXI/AAAAAAAAHgE/znSBBr5iHl0/s400/175407_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:02:PM
Mike I think Hewlett was in Morocco at the time....It looks to me like the press run with the thought that it was a photo taken in Brazil....but it was Ibiza airport. 

I see the pics that you have posted and it made me cringe....not because you had posted them, but because of the likeness....Shudder!   :( :) :) :)

Forget when the photograph was taken, or where, to me the person holding the little girls hand is most definately Hewlett, although I am not saying the little girl in question, in this image is Maddie McCann. This photograph raises a lot of questions, which need investigating, one such question relates to the identification of the other person in the group, the man to the right of the little girl, who as far as is known, must still be alive, whereas, we now know that Hewlett has since died...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:05:PM
I say, FIND THIS MAN, so that he can be eliminated from any possible connection with the disappearance of Madeliene McCann:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:07:PM
Child Molester, Raymond Hewlett is dead:-

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:09:PM
I say, FIND THIS MAN, so that he can be eliminated from any possible connection with the disappearance of Madeliene McCann:-

No such connection exists in my opinion.


Here's Hewlett pictured in July 07 in Morrocco

(http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz357/JillyCL/McCann2/McCann3/raymond-hewlett-pic-sm-528388973.jpg)


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:09:PM
I don't pay much consideration to that witness description anyway though considering it started out as this:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lWXrpwC28yU/S-81KOhAXXI/AAAAAAAAHgE/znSBBr5iHl0/s400/175407_1.jpg)

You are correct Lithium.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:13:PM
Hewlett was traveling via motor-home with his German wife and 6 kids in 2007.

I do not believe he was traveling by flight with another man and Madeleine McCann in June 07.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:16:PM
The photogrtaph in question is very interesting, despite claims that it could be part of a prank put forward by a crank, see following link:-

(1) - http://order-order.com/2013/01/24/revealed-sunday-express-maddie-mccann-photo-blunder/

The height is inconsistent, unless this woman is a giant.

(http://i.imgur.com/Gv3xtSs.jpg)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:17:PM
Hewlett was traveling via motor-home with his German wife and 6 kids in 2007.

I do not believe he was traveling by flight with another man and Madeleine McCann in June 07.

That is correct, he went to Morocco....but no one knows where he was during the whole of July.  I think the little girl is wearing glasses...I wonder why no one has ever come forward to be eliminated!  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:18:PM
The height is inconsistent, unless this woman is a giant.

(http://i.imgur.com/Gv3xtSs.jpg)

Note the right hand wrists on both pictures.....look back! at the wrist of the man on at Ibiza airport and look at this one....now i want a close up.... ;) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:22:PM
That is correct, he went to Morocco....but no one knows where he was during the whole of July.  I think the little girl is wearing glasses...I wonder why no one has ever come forward to be eliminated!  :-\ :-\ :-\

eliminated from what? This picture was never part of the inquiry... This is a press photo regarding a bomb threat at an Ibiza airport, I doubt anyone in the picture realises it's been re-hashed as a Maddie sighting all these years later.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:25:PM
Hewlett was traveling via motor-home with his German wife and 6 kids in 2007.

I do not believe he was traveling by flight with another man and Madeleine McCann in June 07.

How does anybody know that the man to the left of the little girl in this photograph was actually flying on any plane, or booked on any flight along with this little girl, or the other man? Hewlett could simply have been there to see the child and the man off, as happens quite a lot, at airports...

The man who I think is definately Raymond Hewlett, does not appear to have any luggage with him, whereas, the other man does, this to me suggests that Hewlett was not intending to fly out on any plane, with the little girl. He was there to see the man and the child off, in my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:28:PM
Note the right hand wrists on both pictures.....look back! at the wrist of the man on at Ibiza airport and look at this one....now i want a close up.... ;) :) :) :) :)

Patti, well done, it confirms the man in the so called airport photograph with the little child is / was child molester, Raymond Hewlett:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:30:PM
fair point about the luggage, just because was there does not mean he was a flight passenger, true. The child appears to have no luggage either. So what was he doing in Ibiza with Madeleine?

No luggage would means no travelling, how was he living in Ibiza with Maddie while travelling Europe/Africa with his family in a van?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:30:PM
eliminated from what? This picture was never part of the inquiry... This is a press photo regarding a bomb threat at an Ibiza airport, I doubt anyone in the picture realises it's been re-hashed as a Maddie sighting all these years later.

The picture was sent along with two letters recently by a crank! ...this is what i have said all along. I bang my head on the nearest house brick...lol 

The crank indicates that the men in the photo ended up in Brazil....and that he claims this was M....

Has Mike has pointed out there is a similar likeness to Hewlett...and this guy in Brazil thought the same....in fact he is prepared to give a presentation to police with demands of 9 witnesses to be present....no media coverage....If you look back you will see that I have posted the said letter on here...lol 

However, coverage was made by the express on the 20th, but no other newspaper covered the story....Flop! I'm exhausted! lol  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:31:PM
a wrist band doesn't confirm anything for me. Hewlett was short, that man in the picture is taller than most people around him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:34:PM


The crank indicates that the men in the photo ended up in Brazil....and that he claims this was M....

Has Mike has pointed out there is a similar likeness to Hewlett...and this guy in Brazil thought the same....in fact he is prepared to give a presentation to police with demands of 9 witnesses to be present....no media coverage....If you look back you will see that I have posted the said letter on here...lol 


Wait, so the crank and the guy in the Brazil aren't the same person?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:37:PM

Wait, so the crank and the guy in the Brazil aren't the same person?

yes they are! The man in Brazil sent the letters to some kinda intelligence that is working on the MM case along with that photo.  He claims the people on the photo caught a plane from Ibiza to another Country and somehow MM ended up in Brazil....Maybe they dropped her off on Barca...

I will post the source that might help! ... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:39:PM
I saw his demands... half of the people he wanted present at his thing were people involved in various random 'Madeleine' sightings around the world.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:39:PM
a wrist band doesn't confirm anything for me. Hewlett was short, that man in the picture is taller than most people around him.

I do not necessarily agree that the man who I think is / was Raymond Hewitt, in the photograph is considerably taller than everyone around him, it could be an optical illusion which arises naturally when such pictures are taken (the closer a subject is to the camera which takes the photograph the larger they or it appears), its all down to perspective...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:40:PM
Whatever happened with that big South African fella who claims Madeleine's remainds are in Murat's garden?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:41:PM
THIS IS A BIG ONE:

he following emails were sent to me on 11 and 14 January 2013. The brazil sighting hit the Sunday Express on 20th January

 

 
I have received 2 emails this week from Brazil it could be a coincidence but I dont think so.

One of the emails had a word document enclosed.

The second one had an image enclosed

(Email 1)

 

ORIGINAL WORD DOCUMENT LINK

With thanks to Joana Morais for Translation
 

Note:
I’ll maintain the writer’s style and do a literal translation, the Portuguese (Brazilian) is poorly constructed grammatically with several spelling errors. He also uses English words in between Portuguese sentences, or after – I’ll add (sic) in italics when that is the case.

*The author uses ‘police’ instead of polícia, 4 times in the whole sentence.

I don’t think this guy is Brazilian at all, he might live there but he isn’t Brazilian nor he does know how to write Portuguese as an average Brazilian person would. Example: português is written with a ^, António with a ´, etc. Also his passport starts with CZ, that’s from Czech Republic. I’m guessing that the man changed his name to something Brazilian but in reality he is Czech.

Rescue: Madeleine McCann

Att: Mister Mark Draycott

Please read till end

The Madeleine McCann case can only be solved by breaking all the investigation rules.

I have chosen the London Metropolitan police (Scotland Yard) (sic) because it is the best to rescue Madeleine McCann.

In this specific case I could chose the Judiciary police*  from Portugal, the Spanish police, the German police, or still the police from Netherlands (sic) police.

I am not going to London on holidays, I am going to work, with you gentlemen, and solve the McCann case, trust me, I am a serious man, and I have the case solved, closed (police jargon).

Important to remember you, gentlemen, that at this moment there must be strict secrecy without the presence of media. Do not do press, do not do TV (sic).

Presentation

I will do the presentation in (2) parts

1) Listening to witnesses, together with you gentlemen, and other authorities present, I will make the presentation with evidence identifying each one of the (9) bandits, that participated in Madeleine’s kidnap, including how they acted.
2) After we listen to the witness, I will make the (2) second part of the presentation, only with you gentlemen and the authorities present, including presenting the photos to all of them.
 

3) During the presentation of (2) part, already with confirmation, and identification of the bandits by the witnesses, I’ll make the conclusion of my presentation with a big and important news (sic) in the end.

1)     Estimated time for presentation 2,00 :Hours

The Madeleine McCann case, can only be solved, by breaking all the investigation rules, that means that it’s not worth it for me to be heard alone by you gentlemen, the witnesses must be all present, to identify each one of the bandits.
 

For the presentation provide with urgency
 

1) Auditorium, audience (sic) with capacity of at least 50 people

2) Smart TV 50’’ or projection panel with PC computer input
3) Flipe (sic) Chart with marker

4) Microphone

5)Wire less (sic) internet

6) Hotel in London, close as possible to Operation Grange/Scotland Yard

7) Air tickets São Paulo (GRU) London/São Paulo
 

1)

Luiz Carlos Moreno, Brasileiro, passport n.o. (sic) CZ046547

8)     People/witnesses necessary for presentation

a)     Gerry McCann

b)     Kate McCann

c)      Jane Turner (sic) [Jane Tanner]

d)     Antonio Castela, Portuguese, cab driver, Vila Real de Santo Antonio, Portugal

e)     Anne Marie Stan (sic), store clerk in Amsterdan (sic)
[Anna-Maria Stam, ref.MAIL-07-08-2008]

f)      Hannie Weichmann (sic)

[ Hannie Wiechmann ref. HERALD IE-07-08-2008 ]

g)     Frank Bode, German tourist

[ Frank Bode ref.MIRROR-31-08-2012]

 

h)     Isabel Duarte, lawyer Portugal

i)        All the authorities that you deem necessary to participate, including the 33 detectives each with their own notebook pc (sic)

j)       List of passengers of the Lufthansa flight, Ibiza to Munich, in which Mr. Bode saw Madeleine McCann (I will identify the bandits)

The Madeleine McCann case can only be solved by breaking all the investigation rules.

I have chosen the London Metropolitan police (Scotland Yard) (sic) because it is the best to rescue Madeleine McCann.

In this specific case I could chose the Judiciary police*  from Portugal, the Spanish police, the German police, or still the police from Netherlands (sic) police.

I am not going to London on holidays, I am going to work, with you gentlemen, and solve the McCann case, trust me, I am a serious man, and I have the case solved, closed (police jargon).

Important to remember you, gentlemen, that at this moment there must be strict secrecy without the presence of media. Do not do press, do not do TV (sic).

To conclude, it would be important to have the presence of the prime minister of England, Sir David Cameron.

We will need to intervene in other countries.

I am a real estate broker, here in São Paulo, I don’t want to do the role of an investigator nor of the police (sic), I only want to give my collaboration, so we can rescue Madeleine McCann quickly.

I repeat I know how to rescue her quickly.

I make a suggestion for our presentation date.

Next Saturday day 12 of January 2.013 (sic) around 10,OO HS if possible.

I will end saying, that the Madeleine Case has already consumed (millions of pounds were spent) so far, without a solution.

With all this witnesses and authorities present, I will solve the Madeleine McCann case (sic), in the maximum of 2,00 HS.

Next day 12 of May of 2.013, Madeleine will do her birthday, 10 years (sic), and we will all together celebrate with her, it’s up to us.

I remain at your disposal in whatever is needed and necessary.

Sincerely

Luiz Carlos Moreno

(Contact details)


(EMail 2)

 

  Also photograph

 

This is the express description of the sighting.
 

Officers were happy for us to describe the potentially key evidence which shows a healthy fair-haired girl aged three or four in pink trousers, a green top and a blue hat.

 

The child is walking along a road, possibly near a port or airport as there are many people with suitcases in the area. It is sunny with a palm tree in the background.

 

 

The photograph was allegedly taken in Brazil in June 2007, a month after Madeleine, three, was snatched from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve coast.

 

The girl is holding the hand of a swarthy foreign-looking man aged about 50 with long dark hair and a beard. He is wearing cut-off jeans and a green T-shirt.

 

Nearby, another man in checked shorts and a black T-shirt is pulling a red suitcase. There is no sign of a woman and the child looks out of place with the older men

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:42:PM
Now do you understand me?   :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on February 03, 2013, 09:43:PM
I already understood. Why are you re posting the e-mail when you already called the guy a crank lol, is what's confusing me.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on February 03, 2013, 09:44:PM
Oh, I don't know.

All of this doesn't explain the cadaver dogs etc.  Her father's behaviour (laughing on balcony etc).

Also that Mike thinks MM is buried in Praia de Luz.

It's also possible that she was snatched as part of a paedo ring linked to Belgium.

We are still no closer to finding out what happened - yet - or are we?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:46:PM
I do not necessarily agree that the man who I think is / was Raymond Hewitt, in the photograph is considerably taller than everyone around him, it could be an optical illusion which arises naturally when such pictures are taken (the closer a subject is to the camera which takes the photograph the larger they or it appears), its all down to perspective...

It appears to me that the phtographer has deliberately focussed in on the two men accompanying the child, and that if this was true, it would explain why the man who I think is definately Raymond Hewlett, appears taller in the picture, than he does in real life - in other words, the photograph could have been deliberately stage managed for the purpose of trying to suggest that Madeliene was with these two men at that airport when there was a bomb threat alert, when all along, she was already dead and buried back in Pria de Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 03, 2013, 09:47:PM
Whatever happened with that big South African fella who claims Madeleine's remainds are in Murat's garden?

Murat is suing him..... :-X
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 09:55:PM
Child Molester, Raymond Hewlett, like wearing check patterned tops, and the colours light blue and green. This is very interesting, because at the site of the derelict building in Pria de Luz, I found clothing concealed at the scene, which included a check patterned top, some light blue jeans, and a dark blue kaghool type coat. Interestingly enough, Hewletts accomplice in the airport photograph also appears to have a liking for check patterned short trousers:-

(1) - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237700/Madeleine-McCann-news-Did-paedophile-Raymond-Hewlett-secret-disappearance-grave.html#axzz2JsPxETnH

(2) - http://raymondhewlett.blogspot.co.uk/


MADELEINE McCann suspect Raymond Hewlett confessed on his deathbed that he KNEW what happened to the little girl, The Sun can reveal.

 In a letter to his estranged son Wayne, he denied having anything to do with Maddie's disappearance.
 
But he said he knew she had been stolen to order by a gipsy gang who kidnap children for wealthy couples unable to have kids or adopt.
 
Hewlett, a serial paedophile seen near the spot where Maddie was snatched in Portugal, said they had a "shopping list" of potential targets - such as a little girl with blonde hair like Maddie.
 
Private detectives working for Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry are "extremely interested" in Hewlett's claims.
 
A source close to their ongoing investigation said: "What he says fits the No1 theory, which is that she was stolen to order."
 
Hewlett died of throat cancer in April, aged 62, after persistently refusing to meet the McCanns' detectives.
 
He became a suspect because of his appalling record of rape and abduction of children.  (He became a suspect based on lies told by Peter Verran - see elsewhere on this blog)
 
And he was living as a nomad in Portugal with his second family when Maddie vanished from the McCanns' holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.
 
Hewlett's letter to builder Wayne, 40, was delivered to the son by a mystery man - thought to be a solicitor or a private eye - a week after he died.  (Convenient - NO proof the "mystery man" existed, no way to track him down.)
 
Most of it was an apology for how his vile crimes had affected his first wife Susan and Wayne.
 
But then he went on to write about Maddie, who was nearly four when she went missing.
 
Wayne, of Telford, Shropshire, said: "It was a bolt from the blue and I shook when I read it.
 
"He stated he didn't want to go to his grave with us thinking he had done such a horrible thing.
 
"He said he had had nothing to do with taking Maddie but did know who had.
 
"He said a very good gipsy friend he knew in Portugal had got drunk and 'let it out' that he had stolen Maddie to order as part of a gang.
 
"My dad said this gang had been operating for a long time and had snatched children before for couples who couldn't have children of their own.  (There are NO instances of missing children stolen by gipsies in Portugal.  Not ONE single case.)
 
"Maddie had been targeted. They took photos of children and sent them to the people they were acting for. And they said Yes or No.
 
"Dad said the man told him it was nothing to do with snatching children for a paedophile gang or for a sexual reason.
 
"He said there were huge sums of money involved. And he totally believed what this man was saying."
 
The account fits with others surrounding the Maddie mystery.
 
Several strange men were seen taking photos of children around the Ocean Club resort in the days before she vanished. And The Sun revealed earlier this year that a British expat thought he had seen Maddie in a white van driven by a gipsy couple the day after she was lost.
 
Wayne, who had no contact with Hewlett for nearly 20 years, said his father's letter seemed "very genuine".
 
He added: "I don't know if this is what happened to Maddie or not, but it does make sense. I can't believe he'd go to those lengths to make up some elaborate lie when he was so weak and ill."
 
Wayne said he considered going to Kate and Gerry with the letter but was worried it could cause them more heartache if it gave them false hope. He added: "I actually burned it because it unnerved me so much. (Convenient - NO proof the letter ever existed.)
 
"To have a letter from someone you hated for so long was just mind-blowing. I couldn't deal with it."
 
Wayne did not contact The Sun about the message. We learned of its existence through a friend.
 
But now he intends to sit down with the Maddie detectives to tell them everything he knows.  (The Portuguese police are in charge of the investigation.  NOT the McCann investigators.  A suppena is in order here and Wayne must be questioned by the PJ.)
 
The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: "We are extremely grateful to Wayne for coming forward with this information and the detective team will be interviewing him as a matter of priority."

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 10:39:PM
Clothing which I uncovered at the scene (derelict building across street from church at Pria de luz), were photoghraphed insitu, by me:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 03, 2013, 11:20:PM
What I find strange, is that everywhere in the garden of the derelict building situated across the road from the church at Pria de luz, rubbish and debri is stewn about all over the place above ground, yet in arguably the remotest part of the garden, someone has sought to dig a hole big enough to bury the body of a small child in, and that who ever did so had to use a metal bar to break up stones in the substrata - why not simply discard whatever it was they were trying to get rid of, on top of the ground like all the other bits of rubbish, and garden waste?

What is buried in this hole needs to be investigated, and elminated...

URGENTLY...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 04, 2013, 03:19:PM
I have taken some more Maddie images, far too many to post:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 05, 2013, 04:01:AM
Luggage weight at airport may prove to be a vital clue:-

Suitcase being pulled along by second man in photograph could have been used to transport a small child around in, from place to place. The child in this photograph could easily have been concealed in such a suitcase, so that these people, or that person could travel from place to place without drawing too much attention to themselves, except at the airport where the suitcase in question would have to be scanned and weighed. At such times, the small child would have to be taken out of the suitcase, and made to walk with the people in charge of her, as in this case, at the airport when a security scare was raised...

If the man seen pulling along this suitcase, along with either the other man (who in my opinion is / was Raymond Hewlett), and the child, it would be interesting to find out thew luggage weight for that suitcase, since if it was very light it could provide a clue to the mode of transport and concealment with which these men, or that man, transported a child like Maddie around without drawing attention to themselves, from place to place...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2013, 12:36:AM
What I am really interested in, is the actual date this photograph with Raymond Hewett, the small child, and the other man, was taken? Since, if it was taken on a date before Maddies disappearance in May 2007, it provides a big clue towarfs establishing something of a link between one or other of the parents, and the two men in the photograph?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 06, 2013, 05:25:PM
What I am really interested in, is the actual date this photograph with Raymond Hewett, the small child, and the other man, was taken? Since, if it was taken on a date before Maddies disappearance in May 2007, it provides a big clue towarfs establishing something of a link between one or other of the parents, and the two men in the photograph?

Hi Mike :)

It was taken a month after MM disappeared.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2013, 05:41:PM
Hi Mike :)

It was taken a month after MM disappeared.   :) :) :)

I would like to see evidence that the photograph in question was taken, although I accept it may have been published a month or so later - there is a big difference. If the photograph was taken after Maddie was reported missing on 3rd May 2007, it opens up a whole new line of enquiry. However, just because it could have been taken a month or so after Maddie disappeared, it does not necessarily mean that the child in the photograph is / was Maddie? The bomb scale at the airport could have been part of an elaborate hoax to enable this picture to be taken amidst all the chaos and confusion following the evacuation of the airport - it could have been staged as part of a plan to demand ransom money for the return of Maddie, which could not be met, because in reality she was already dead by that stage...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 06, 2013, 05:47:PM
Looking at it Mike, it may have been a press release photo....Mat posted a link that find when and where pictures were taken...It began with P...I think!  Its on here somewhere....Take at look at Palaman....it might be on there.... :-\ :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 07, 2013, 10:52:PM
Before I forget,,,there was something on the news tonight about a guy who was a " people smuggler ".The guy is African and his pic showed him wearing a tee shirt emblazened with the Union Jack flag.
It looks like the same guy who was in the background when Gerry was playing with the children at PDL.
The guys' name is Kingsley, ( surname )

The news tonight was about a child who was found in the Thames in 2002,,with its head and limbs cut off in a sacrificial  death. The death took the officer,,, who was on the case,, to Africa,in recent days to find out whose child it was and someone led him to this Kingsley,who refused to be interviewed,saying that he knew nothing about the death,,or where the child came from,or whose it was.
If it's the same guy in the photograph in Portugal,,,then we know he's a people-smuggler.
I can't off-hand remember the name,,but he was prominent in one or two pictures where the children played,,because he was black.
Before I get excited,,I'll find the name of the guy in the pics. I think someone,,,Robert Murat,I think,,travelled back from the UK with him,they were on the same flight.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2013, 04:07:AM
Where is Maddie McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2013, 07:26:AM
GHOSTS IN THE SKY...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 08, 2013, 11:15:AM
Before I forget,,,there was something on the news tonight about a guy who was a " people smuggler ".The guy is African and his pic showed him wearing a tee shirt emblazened with the Union Jack flag.
It looks like the same guy who was in the background when Gerry was playing with the children at PDL.
The guys' name is Kingsley, ( surname )

The news tonight was about a child who was found in the Thames in 2002,,with its head and limbs cut off in a sacrificial  death. The death took the officer,,, who was on the case,, to Africa,in recent days to find out whose child it was and someone led him to this Kingsley,who refused to be interviewed,saying that he knew nothing about the death,,or where the child came from,or whose it was.
If it's the same guy in the photograph in Portugal,,,then we know he's a people-smuggler.
I can't off-hand remember the name,,but he was prominent in one or two pictures where the children played,,because he was black.
Before I get excited,,I'll find the name of the guy in the pics. I think someone,,,Robert Murat,I think,,travelled back from the UK with him,they were on the same flight.



The man in question was known as the " Mystery Man ". Appeared in the background of The Playground at Praia da Luz. He arrived on holiday with no luggage.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 08, 2013, 06:26:PM


The man in question was known as the " Mystery Man ". Appeared in the background of The Playground at Praia da Luz. He arrived on holiday with no luggage.?

we know the man well Lookout.  He was also pictured with Robert M during the dog search.  :-\ :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 08, 2013, 06:51:PM
we know the man well Lookout.  He was also pictured with Robert M during the dog search.  :-\ :) :) :) :)


Yet Murat swore black was white that he'd never met the guy. Why visit a country empty-handed if you don't know anyone.? No luggage.? Was he just passing through until the deed was carried out.?

This latest news in New Zealand is odd as well as it's the second time that DNA has been requested from this " look-alike " child with the same mark in the same eye. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 08, 2013, 06:54:PM

Yet Murat swore black was white that he'd never met the guy. Why visit a country empty-handed if you don't know anyone.? No luggage.? Was he just passing through until the deed was carried out.?

This latest news in New Zealand is odd as well as it's the second time that DNA has been requested from this " look-alike " child with the same mark in the same eye.

Where have you read that from Lookout? Is it today's news?  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 08, 2013, 07:23:PM
Where have you read that from Lookout? Is it today's news?  :) :) :) :)


It was on the TV News at 10 last night,,so will possibly be in Mail online tomorrow. News like that is usually 24hrs behind.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 08, 2013, 07:40:PM

It was on the TV News at 10 last night,,so will possibly be in Mail online tomorrow. News like that is usually 24hrs behind.

Found it Lookout....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2274826/Madeleine-McCann-New-Zealand-girl-DNA-sample-prove-missing-Maddie.html#axzz2KL0SrSgG  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: packagebuilder on February 08, 2013, 08:26:PM
I just seen this :) :) today!! after I was looking at the dale  cregen thingy  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 08, 2013, 08:29:PM
Found it Lookout....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2274826/Madeleine-McCann-New-Zealand-girl-DNA-sample-prove-missing-Maddie.html#axzz2KL0SrSgG  :) :) :) :)


I thought you meant what was on the news last night about the torso in the Thames. That might be in tomorrows paper or Mail online as it gives a pic of the chap which I think is the same one who was lurking in the background at the kids playground. It wasn't in todays Mail.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 15, 2013, 09:52:PM
The hunt for Madeleine has been taken to Russia or the Ukraine....Robert Murats' mate was the Russian guy,Serge Malinka who had a boat,,,and who also made a quick exit from Portugal,,after having been threatened and his car blown up with the words FALA written on the pavement. This tip-off came via someone who knew Hewlett. Full story is in todays Mail Online.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2013, 10:36:PM
Maddie:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 15, 2013, 10:42:PM
She's out there somewhere,Mike.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2013, 10:51:PM
She's out there somewhere,Mike.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2013, 11:32:PM
"They've  taken her"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 16, 2013, 11:35:AM
The hunt for Madeleine has been taken to Russia or the Ukraine....Robert Murats' mate was the Russian guy,Serge Malinka who had a boat,,,and who also made a quick exit from Portugal,,after having been threatened and his car blown up with the words FALA written on the pavement. This tip-off came via someone who knew Hewlett. Full story is in todays Mail Online.

Morning Lookout, just seen your post and had a quick look in the Mail.  Did his son also claim to have burned a letter from his father.  Yes, Malinka had a Russian passport along with a few others...which in its self is well dodgy...He fled here to England at one time, but I have no idea where he is today; under another name no doubt.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 16, 2013, 11:52:AM
Morning Lookout, just seen your post and had a quick look in the Mail.  Did his son also claim to have burned a letter from his father.  Yes, Malinka had a Russian passport along with a few others...which in its self is well dodgy...He fled here to England at one time, but I have no idea where he is today; under another name no doubt.... :) :) :) :)


Hi Patti,,,the guy went under several different names,,,and being of Russian birth makes him even more suspicious.He possibly still does deal in child trafficking.Remember his boat,,,the Naomi Corlett.? He is,,or was married,,,so they'd have worked as a pair.Somebody knows something.
Legaloff was one name that stuck in my mind.Must look for some up to date information on him.
Fancy the police letting him go.??? I wonder why.? Yet he seemed the most likely because of his background,etc and the fact that his PC was full of " nasties ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 16, 2013, 11:59:AM
One thing.How did Malinka know,,on the disappearance of Madeleine,,,that the police were going to call on him.??? Because he'd already wiped/deleted some files from his PC. ! Did his friend Murat give him the slip.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 16, 2013, 12:01:PM

Hi Patti,,,the guy went under several different names,,,and being of Russian birth makes him even more suspicious.He possibly still does deal in child trafficking.Remember his boat,,,the Naomi Corlett.? He is,,or was married,,,so they'd have worked as a pair.Somebody knows something.
Legaloff was one name that stuck in my mind.Must look for some up to date information on him.
Fancy the police letting him go.??? I wonder why.? Yet he seemed the most likely because of his background,etc and the fact that his PC was full of " nasties ".

He sued the papers along with Murat, but did not receive as much as Murat. Yes I remember his other alias began with F but can't remember the full surname...Fitz something....maybe your memory is better than mine  :)

The Naomi Corlett sailed out of Lagos on the 4th...if memory serves me right.....I will post a photo later of the lay out of where the Smith sighting was and show you where Malinka lived...I have found this information from my friend in Spain.....I'll be back.. I will also confirm this was his address by posting the actual documents from the PJ files..... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 16, 2013, 12:21:PM
 Things also fizzled out about those two men who murdered that woman because she was going to open up about them being paedophiles. They were the ones who were in PDL at the same time the McCanns were there.
O'neill and Lachlan are serving life in a prison in Scotland. If my memory serves me right,,,for reasons unknown,,they were not allowed to be questioned.
There are an awful lot of doors closing behind this case. I wonder why Dutroix is trying to edge his way out of prison. ? Someone smelled a rat,perhaps.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 16, 2013, 12:23:PM
Lookout I have tried my best to pencil the route the Smiths took, up to where they see a man carrying a child similar to Madeleine.  Note this man never came forward and the description is similar to what Jane Tanner described.. He lived at number ** Rua Das Saigaderiras. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 16, 2013, 12:25:PM
Keep double clinking on the image and it will become larger  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 16, 2013, 12:47:PM
Keep double clinking on the image and it will become larger  :) :) :) :)


It's not that far onto the main road really. Someone would have been waiting in a getaway car that's for sure. If that guy who stole the child had " other ideas ",,he'd have carried out the crime and dumped her body.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on February 16, 2013, 01:09:PM

It's not that far onto the main road really. Someone would have been waiting in a getaway car that's for sure. If that guy who stole the child had " other ideas ",,he'd have carried out the crime and dumped her body.

Lookout I hate to think Madeleine is dead, there is no proof she is dead, nor is there any proof she may still be alive.

One day the cruel reality will set in and that is that she may have been killed that night on the 3rd May 2007.  Whilst the whole world looked for her, there has never been concrete evidence that she has been sighted....Someone somewhere must know something.  Its finding that someone.  You would think that with all the publicity surrounding this case, someone would have come forward.  Sad!   :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 16, 2013, 01:24:PM
Lookout I hate to think Madeleine is dead, there is no proof she is dead, nor is there any proof she may still be alive.

One day the cruel reality will set in and that is that she may have been killed that night on the 3rd May 2007.  Whilst the whole world looked for her, there has never been concrete evidence that she has been sighted....Someone somewhere must know something.  Its finding that someone.  You would think that with all the publicity surrounding this case, someone would have come forward.  Sad!   :( :( :( :(


Patti,,,I've never had that " feeling " that the child isn't alive. Some I can sense right away,,but not with this one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on February 25, 2013, 07:19:AM
I've just come across this, not saying that Maddy is a Sandy Hook victim, but it does illustrate how people can easily make an incorrect sighting of her.


(http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/90495126f6764ca86.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on March 03, 2013, 05:34:PM
Cyprus police have alerted Interpol of a sighting similar to Madeleine. It was a British couple who had three children. No more news up to now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2013, 09:18:PM
Cyprus police have alerted Interpol of a sighting similar to Madeleine. It was a British couple who had three children. No more news up to now.

(1) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9905891/Madeleine-McCann-Interpol-alerted-over-possible-sighting-in-Cyprus.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on March 04, 2013, 07:35:PM
there must be thousands of girls all over the world who look like her though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on March 04, 2013, 08:27:PM
there must be thousands of girls all over the world who look like her though.


Hello,nugs,,,yes there must be,,but it's surprising because it was a high-profile case,that members of the public tend to picture Madeleine as she was when she went missing,,and so when they see a young blonde girl,,,of which there are hundreds,,they see Madeleine. In certain countries within Europe,,it seems force of habit that you automatically glance at children,,not for any other reason than to see if it's the missing child.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2013, 04:50:PM
I wished police would go and search the grounds of the derelict building across the street from the church at Prai de luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on March 09, 2013, 04:53:PM
havent they searched it then you would think they would of done.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2013, 04:56:PM
havent they searched it then you would think they would of done.

No, they have not, even though I contacted the Portuguese police asking them to do so...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on March 09, 2013, 05:00:PM
well apart from torturing people i don't think there really up to much.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2013, 05:07:PM
well apart from torturing people i don't think there really up to much.

I really think they should be looking in the grounds of that derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on March 09, 2013, 05:10:PM
was derelict at the time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 10, 2013, 08:58:AM
was derelict at the time.

Yes, it was derelict at the time, the grounds have not been properly searched, if at all...

Everything points to Maddies body being found there, if she is dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 16, 2013, 06:19:AM
When is Scotland yard going to search the grounds of the derelict building I have identified?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 16, 2013, 06:22:AM
When is Scotland yard going to search the grounds of the derelict building I have identified?

If they don't carry out a thorough search they are being negligent...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 16, 2013, 09:58:AM
Scotland yard have not said Maddies remains have not been buried in the grounds of that derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 16, 2013, 09:59:AM
Scotland yard have not said Maddies remains have not been buried in the grounds of that derelict building...

Neither have the Portuguse police...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 16, 2013, 10:01:AM
Neither have the Portuguse police...
Neither have the McCann parents, or thier private Investigators... 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on March 30, 2013, 08:43:PM
Hi Mike, you seem to feel strongly about those derelict grounds. Have you thought about getting a team together and going over to dig?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 31, 2013, 06:00:AM
Hi Mike, you seem to feel strongly about those derelict grounds. Have you thought about getting a team together and going over to dig?

When I was over in Portugal for a week, I was eventually drawn to the church and the derelict building across the street, This came about after walking routes taken by the McCanns and others in the group from thier holiday rooms at the Ocean club to the beach, to the restuarant on the beach, and locations of various sightings of a man seen carrying a child in his arms. I photographed the resort extensively along these routes and places which I thought / sensed, might be areas of interest. The sighting of the man Jane Tanner saw carrying a small child in his arms, obviously took the potential abductor away from the scene into the general direction of Murats place. The other sighting by the Smiths placed the potential abductor heading down towards where the Doctors building is located towards the beach...

It fell to be considered whether or not both sightings could be linked to the disappearence of Maddie from apartment 5A? If so, we have a description of two differently dressed men, carrying a child in thier arms, at different times during the same evening. One of these sightings (by Smith Clan) suggests that the man seen carrying a child in his arms could have been Gerry McCann. However, according to Tanners sighting the man seen carrying the child (travelling away from apartment 5A in a totally different direction) in his arms walking briskly across the junction could not have been Gerry McCann because Jane Tanner says that she saw Gerry McCann talking to another person who was pushing a pram in the street (albeit stationary) at the time, so he could not have been that person, unless Jane Tanners account is a fabrication...

If both sightings have been reported accurately, then of course it is possible that the disappearence of Maddie from apartment 5A involved at least two persons, one of which matches the description of Gerry McCann. If true, the sighting of the man seen carrying the child by the Smiths, could have been Gerry McCann, heading down towards the doctors and coastline...

I walked various routes from apartment 5A down towards the location of the Smith sighting and doctors premises, and it seemed feasible to me that the person seen carrying that child in his arms could have been Gerry McCann, the timing of the Smith sighting being the only drawback to it having been him, but this only becomes a problem if you accept the accounts of other witnesses made by members of the so called tapas group, who place McCann at the restuarant at the time given for the sighting of the man who resembled McCann with a child in his arms as reported by the Smith family upon thier return to Ireland...

On the last day of my visit to Portugal, I identified the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church, as the most likliest place for Maddie to have been taken and her body to have been concealed - I will give my reasons for why I came to this conclusiion at a later date, if anyone is interested...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2013, 08:27:PM
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/forum155.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2013, 08:36:PM
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/forum155.html


Totally false nugs. The shutter was up and the window was open. I have seen the original file photo's from the PJ...It is folk like this that makes up lies about the McCann's...Why they do this is beyond belief and does not help in any way. There are hundreds of blogs out there that have not one scrap of truth to them.... ;) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2013, 08:56:PM
apernly the were unidentfied finger prints witch tends to confirm the abduction story.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2013, 09:08:PM
apernly the were unidentfied finger prints witch tends to confirm the abduction story.

The fingerprints found on the bedroom window where Kate's and that of a small child. There was another print that was substantial but unidentified;  the other prints were not identified due to being smudged.

The window was forensically tested and there was no evidence that suggested it had been used. It was opened for one reason only and that was to escape if the abductor heard anyone entering the apartment.  The latter is my opinion..

I suppose Nugs we will never know the truth in this case.....because like any other, the police failed to do their job...they should have sealed of the apartment, for it was a crime scene.... :( :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on April 01, 2013, 09:15:PM

Totally false nugs. The shutter was up and the window was open. I have seen the original file photo's from the PJ...It is folk like this that makes up lies about the McCann's...Why they do this is beyond belief and does not help in any way. There are hundreds of blogs out there that have not one scrap of truth to them.... ;) :) :) :)

Patti is right.  Shutter up, window open.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2013, 09:21:PM
Patti is right.  Shutter up, window open.

Hey Mat how you diddling?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 01, 2013, 09:21:PM
It then begs the question as to how Tanner did not notice when she walked past it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2013, 09:36:PM
It then begs the question as to how Tanner did not notice when she walked past it?

Well you are right there, it was passed about 8 times in all and no one noticed it being open, but would they? 

The window is slightly set back and was surrounded by a wall and trees.  The only way you would have spotted it was if you entered the front car park entrance, which JT did and two more of the party.  The window slides apparently and does not open outwards....but even so the shutters would have been raised and may have been easily noticed....I just wonder how anyone notices these things when passing...I remember questioning this at the time....why didn't anyone notice the window or shutter open...Maybe its not something you would be looking for???????????  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: seer on April 04, 2013, 12:49:AM
Hi thanks for allowing me on your board.I have an issue with the theory she was carried in the boot of the hire car,and the neighbors where they stayed reported a foul smell coming from it, If Madeleine was already in the grounds of the derelict building? I do have a psychic ability and i am 99.9 percent this child is dead.i also have been draw to the end of the road for over 12 months and said nothing cause hey who listens to psychics anyway.I saw Gerry walking down a street that had a stop sign at the bottom and at the end of it was the church but he didn't go to the church he stopped at the end of the street opposite.here the stop sign is.Even though i think she is buried under the church I saw a hole in the ground that you can walk under with ladders that she was in or walked down. i also saw a 3 d green cross inside a circle but the edges of the cross didn't touch the sides of the circle. The place is at the end of the street,with the stop sign leading to the beach.I asked Madeleine what had happened and she wouldn't tell me,i asked why and she said she didn't want to get her mummy into trouble.Thats all i got. I have kept this to myself and not usually am i wrong when something is so strong inside me.Thanks
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2013, 12:07:AM
Hi thanks for allowing me on your board.I have an issue with the theory she was carried in the boot of the hire car,and the neighbors where they stayed reported a foul smell coming from it, If Madeleine was already in the grounds of the derelict building? I do have a psychic ability and i am 99.9 percent this child is dead.i also have been draw to the end of the road for over 12 months and said nothing cause hey who listens to psychics anyway.I saw Gerry walking down a street that had a stop sign at the bottom and at the end of it was the church but he didn't go to the church he stopped at the end of the street opposite.here the stop sign is.Even though i think she is buried under the church I saw a hole in the ground that you can walk under with ladders that she was in or walked down. i also saw a 3 d green cross inside a circle but the edges of the cross didn't touch the sides of the circle. The place is at the end of the street,with the stop sign leading to the beach.I asked Madeleine what had happened and she wouldn't tell me,i asked why and she said she didn't want to get her mummy into trouble.Thats all i got. I have kept this to myself and not usually am i wrong when something is so strong inside me.Thanks

Maddies remains are concealed in this hole, in the grounds of the derelict building, opposite the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2013, 12:18:AM
Go find her, she is waiting to be recovered, She is there not too far away from the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 05, 2013, 11:32:AM
I must say it does look a bit iffy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2013, 08:43:PM
Visit Gerry McCanns blog for more of an insight into the case:-

(1) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/
(2) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PHOTOGRAPHS.htm
(3) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm
(4) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski1.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: seer on April 05, 2013, 09:03:PM
so if the body was burnt in a near come the police didn't find any trace of this.

who saw Jerry mcann carrying a child down towards the beach

if this witness was reliable wouldn't the mcanns have been charged.

after the disappearance the entire world and as his wife were watching the mcanns every move.

wouldn't have been very easy for them to have disposed of body without being noticed

Your forgetting one vital piece.They called there priest friend who flew over he was the one who moved the body from the original dumping site,properly with the help of the local Irish priest.Watch the youutube video of Madeleine grandma,she says Kate rang her and said we need a priest urgently.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2013, 09:34:PM
One of the odd things which struck me upon finding the burial site where Maddies body is concealed, was the fact that aggregate rubble from building work carried out across the street in the vicinity of the church, was used to cover the body thrown into the hole...

In addition, many stones / rocks were brought over a period of time from along the coast line, and placed around the grave...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 06, 2013, 01:27:AM
Hi Mike :)

I don't think you can categorically say that Madeleine is there. There is no proof she dead, nor is there any evidence to support the fact she is alive. We just don't know.  If Jaycee Dugard can be hidden for 18 years then so can Madeleine.  Until we know more we can only speculate. 

I know we have our own beliefs, but my belief is that there is hope that she might be alive....I cling on to that...for there is no proof to suggest otherwise.    :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 06, 2013, 02:15:AM
Nugnug,it was the Smith family from Ireland that witnessed a man (who they later believed to be GM) carrying a child that night.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 06, 2013, 09:17:AM
Here are the McCanns, all smiling, back in Portugal, not far from the derelict building, just across the road...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 06, 2013, 01:23:PM
Mike,,,just like Jeremy,,,Gerry would have been hurting inside.Yes.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 06, 2013, 06:45:PM
Your forgetting one vital piece.They called there priest friend who flew over he was the one who moved the body from the original dumping site,properly with the help of the local Irish priest.Watch the youutube video of Madeleine grandma,she says Kate rang her and said we need a priest urgently.

and how did that happen with the worlds media in attendance exactly.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 06, 2013, 11:03:PM
Mike,,,just like Jeremy,,,Gerry would have been hurting inside.Yes.?

he certanly would people react to things like that in all diffrent ways.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: seer on April 07, 2013, 09:49:PM
Mike... all this window shutter business.  Surely if you and others can work it out.. it's not going to take Scotland Yard long to do the same.  Now surely if the McCann's know what happened re Maddie, they must have sussed that more coppers crawling all over the shutter discrepancies isn't going to help their case? 

I'm Just trying to figure out what the hell their game is (if indeed as many suspect, they know far more than they're letting on).

Its didn't take them long to reach the same conclusion as Mike though did it.This is 4 professionals who say the same, no one went in to that window from the outside.Good Job Mike keep it up. You know what your talking about pal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2013, 12:00:AM
one posibility that does not seem to have been considered is that someone other than the mcanns had a key.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 08, 2013, 12:30:AM
Funny you should say that Nugs,but I considered this the other night whilst watching an old documentary on youtube. Its also interesting that the British woman that owned the apartment also has the surname of McCann.Allegedly no relation though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2013, 07:46:AM
Ghost of Maddie

"God bless her soul"...

She is gone, never to be returned...

How extraordinary that the ghostly images of Maddie should appear in a room inside the derelict building, where there exists a shallow grave in the grounds of the same building, topped off with building rubble from across the road near the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2013, 01:23:PM
could someone who worked at the resort have had a spare key.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: seer on April 08, 2013, 03:32:PM
Hi Mike, was that the last time Tanner passed that window though? Did she go back to the bar? Memory has gone, it;s been a long time since I looked at the statements...I did a timeline...but, I can't find it, but I am going back a few years..... know she was in the apartment when the alarm was raised.

Mike can you see that window clearly in an evening? I know trees have grown etc..... :) :)

There is no way in the world that the McCann's would cover for some one who harmed there child, either they did it or, she was abducted by a local lone weirdo with a fixation on Madeline living very close by indeed. Who in most cases would have let her go at some point.These types of offenders usual do,therefore he did something he never intended doing.Killed her.The unprecedented media attention put pressure not only on the investigation but on the potential abductor i mentioned earlier.Or they had a hand in it.If Jane Tanner was involved Then the window was opened by her and Kate found it this way. No because only Kate's fingerprints where on it. My theory. Kate opened the window because Maddie was gone and found her lying on the floor outside.At that moment I knew she was gone, she said in interviews.Doctors in hospitals often uses this term to say to a parent "sorry we tried but she has gone".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: seer on April 08, 2013, 03:36:PM
It sounds crazy. You would think if the abduction was planned, so would the get away....in, out and gone!

It makes no sense to carry an abducted child around with you for x number of minutes...You say you are not sure of Tannner's statement, I have never been sure about the Smiths...However there are more of the Smiths that saw the sighting, which leads me to believe that they were telling the truth....

I can't see why Tanner would lie....other than creating herself some much needed attention...She has children of her own...I find it difficult to think that she was lying....but I suppose there has to be scope between them all.....

If she was telling the truth then he was heading towards Murat's......He did hire a car the next morning and this has never been explained...although I feel he was just as much a victim as the McCann's were in the eyes of the PJ.  :-\

There is no way in the world that the McCann's would cover for some one who harmed there child, either they did it or, she was abducted by a local lone weirdo with a fixation on Madeline living very close by indeed. Who in most cases would have let her go at some point.(Statistical evidence)ON These types of . therefore he did something he never intended doing.(Killed her)The unprecedented media attention put pressure not only on the investigation but on the potential abductor i mentioned earlier.Or Secondly they had a hand in it. If Jane Tanner was involved Then the window was opened by her, and Kate found it this way. No because only Kate's fingerprints where on it. My theory. Kate opened the window because Maddie was gone and found her lying on the floor outside.At that moment I knew she was gone, she said in interviews.Doctors in hospitals often uses this term to say to a parent "sorry we tried but she has gone". BSc Law & Criminology
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2013, 03:37:PM
from watching that vid it would appear somebody had allready reported an abducter before the mcans had reported there daughter missing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: seer on April 08, 2013, 04:23:PM
I do hope so, but with only his statement to say he did it - who knows. Could be a loon, wouldn't be the first time.

What if Malinka burned his own car out and wrote Fala on it to get rid of evidence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: seer on April 08, 2013, 05:02:PM
Seems like someone made a huge booby and the property where Murat lived was not searched at all - his mothers property was though (Next door)...

No disrespect Mike. First you say the parents killed her,then Malinka did it,then she is buried in the abandoned building. Now! the links your posting suggest she is under Murat's house. "Make your mind up".No way in the world; would some one who pulled this of with no clues have buried that child on his own property. The mind boggles with some of this stuff on here. Oh and no way did the McCann's harm there child, or cover it up. Watch the videos of them with her, they adored her.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2013, 06:40:PM
well i suppose you have to consider all possibilitys.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 06:46:AM
In my opinion, Maddies remains lay  buried in the grounds of the derelict buolding, situated across the road from the church. I base my opinion on a study of the facts, and a week long visit to the resort.  I took extensive photographs of in and around Ocean club apartments, the neighbouring streets and all the routes a potential abductor could have taken. How strange, that out of over 3,000 +photographs I took in and around the crime scene, and other places of significance connected to the case, that only one photograph produced the ghostly image of Madeliene McCann, and that ghostly image appears in that pink room inside the derelict building immediately across the street grom the very church where the McCanns took nightly refuge. In all the places I took photographs at the resort on that visit did I have such an overwhelming sense of horror - it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end,  I felt unwell just being in thar building. I did not notice the image of Maddie aside that solitary mattress on the floor when I took that picture, it was not until I returned home to the UK on the following day that to my horror it came to my notice. Imagine such a photograph producing such a ghostly image of the missing child in such a promineny and significant location, a place which must have been readily accessible to any would be abductor, whoever that abductor might be or have been, including one of the parents. The McCanns spent a considetable length of time in that general area immediately after Maddie went missing, and the Smith family saw a man who resembled Gerry McCann carrying a child in his arms, in the street heading in the general direction of the doctors, and derelict building...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 07:08:AM
I believe that the ghostly image of Maddie which I photographed in the front room of the derelict building was  produced through devine intervention - to mark the spot where her body rested before the person who took her there disposed of her body in a hole at the rear of the garden, a hole situated in a hollow, but from where the chuch tower was visible...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 07:56:AM
I believe that the ghostly image of Maddie which I photographed in the front room of the derelict building was  produced through devine intervention - to mark the spot where her body rested before the person who took her there disposed of her body in a hole at the rear of the garden, a hole situated in a hollow, but from where the chuch tower was visible...

The person who carried off maddie to here, knew how important the colour pink was to her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 08:23:AM
The person who carried off maddie to here, knew how important the colour pink was to her...

Pink hat, pink pyjama's, pink cuddlle cat - pink walls on derelict building where ghostly image of Maddie manifested itself in pink pyjama's...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 08:28:AM
I wonder if any historical photographs exist showing Kate wearing a pink top, holding cuddle cat, after Maddie went missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 08:36:AM
Whoever buried Maddies remains in that hole, went to a lot of trouble to try and preserve her remains - a tube of BAYGON insecticide had been purchased with a view to covering the holdall inside which her remains were eventually placed into,  to stop her remains being eaten by insects...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 09:05:AM
Lets also not forget, that as well as carrying building rubble from across the road into the grounds of the derelict building, the person also carried over a large, heavy metal bar to help dislodge stones trapped in the earth where the grave was being dug...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 09:10:AM
Perhaps, one of the most significant discoveries at the burial site where items of clothing which had been hidden, concealed in plastic carrier bags, one of which advertised pony trekking...

Hadn't Maddie been pony riding on one occasion, before she disappeared...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2013, 09:46:AM
im sorry mike youve lost me here.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 10:32:PM
Abductor, shown in Maddie ghost photograph...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 10:34:PM
Abductor shown in Maddie ghost photograph...

male, dark hair?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 10:57:PM
Other imagary, in same photograph:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 11:00:PM
Ghost of Maddie:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 11:02:PM
Abductor checks on Maddie:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 11:14:PM
I wonder if any historical photographs exist showing Kate wearing a pink top, holding cuddle cat, after Maddie went missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 11:23:PM
The pink room, in the derelict building situated across the road from the church, was where Maddie was taken, on the evening of her disappearance, from Apartment 5A, and visited there, until her body was buried in a hole, at the back of the garden in a hollow, within sight of the church tower:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2013, 11:48:PM
Pink hat, pink pyjama's, pink cuddlle cat - pink walls on derelict building where ghostly image of Maddie manifested itself in pink pyjama's...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2013, 06:15:PM
She was there, she is there, can somebody please go to the grounds of the derelict building, that I am talking about, and allow the body of this small child, to at least have a proper christian burial...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2013, 06:21:PM
The colour PINK lays at the heart of this investigation, and do you know what, parents know how important the colour PINK is, for more than one reason, or another...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 10, 2013, 06:44:PM
Whats your take on the situation Mike? Was it an accident or something else? We're the parents involved either by being a party in it or being negligent (something like she fell out of bed and hit her head but could have been saved if the parents were there)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2013, 11:13:PM
http://t.co/0wL8hKggcO
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2013, 11:20:PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-madeleine-mccann-police-looking-1764816
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2013, 07:14:AM
I believe Maddies DNA will be found in the pink room of the derelict building across the road from the church - on the floor between mattress and wall depicted in ghostly image, on discarded clothing found hidden in an adjoining room, and in soil and rubble where grave has been pin pointed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2013, 07:41:AM
Whats your take on the situation Mike? Was it an accident or something else? We're the parents involved either by being a party in it or being negligent (something like she fell out of bed and hit her head but could have been saved if the parents were there)?

Medication overdose...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 01:19:PM
i cant see how the mcanns had any opportunity to do it.

they were sournded by people straght after reported her missing there was no opportunity to get rid of body.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 11, 2013, 02:23:PM
They had the opportunity. Jerry Mccann does the first check at 9pm(ish) and finds her unresponsive,I'm sure I read somewhere he was in the flat a while either using the loo or watching the football-Gerry calls Matt Oldfield at the tapas on his phone and comes up with a plan. Matt Oldfield does the next visit (in which he claims he didn't go into the bedroom and removes her. Kate does the next visit where Maddie comes up missing-maybe she didn't know anything.
The whole issue of abduction is off the wall because if the group did the checks they swore to, there would be so much human traffic between the tapas and the flats, there would be no time for an abduction.
How the hell did Jane Tanner, in the dark identify the pattern on the kids pj's but fail to recognise Maddie?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 02:33:PM
not to dispose of a body they dident for a start they would of had to to driven somewhere found a spot that was quite enough to bury someone without being interrupted then they would of had to have had to have got hold of a shovel then buried the body then driven back.

as far as i know no witness have ever said they say ever of the mcanns get in there car that night and you cant carry a dead body on foot and public transports not really an option ether.

how long does it take for an abduction to happen james bulger was abducted in matter of seconds so was Sarah paine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2013, 02:44:PM
Smith contingent saw Gerry McCann carrying a small child in his arms, in a direction going away from apartment 5A, heading downhill towards the coast...

If it wasnt Maddie he was carrying, who else could it have been?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 02:51:PM
i have never heard this before who were the smith contingent.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 11, 2013, 04:38:PM
Personally,I have always been suspicious of Tanner and O'Briens activity. Their child was allegedly sick,and he leaves the child to return to the Tapas bar to inform Tanner so that she can take over with the child.They had mobiles! Why didn't he call her and wait in the apartment for her to return instead of leaving their sick child to possibly choke on its own vomit? And I agree with Joanne.How could Tanner have possibly seen that a child had on pink pyjamas and even describe the pattern from the distance she allegedly was from the child? She must have known what Maddie was wearing!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 04:54:PM
was jane tanner the first person to raise the alarm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 11, 2013, 05:02:PM
No,it was Kate that found her missing around 10pm and raised the alarm. Police,however,were not called until 10.40pm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 05:18:PM
from watching the clip that was posted i got the impression that an abduction had already been reported before katie mcann discovered her daughter was missing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2013, 06:52:PM
Lets take an alternative look, using the following criterior:-

(1) - Smith contingent sighting of man seen carrying child after 9:30pm, was not Gerry McCan, but child man was carrying in his arms was Maddie...

(2) - which male members of the tapas 9 group were absent from the tapas bar at that stage...

Four suspects:-

(a) - Gerry McCann
(b) - David Payne
(c) - Mathew Oldfield
(d) - Russell O'Brien
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 07:01:PM
it all depends on weather contingent are reliable witnesses or not.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 11, 2013, 07:31:PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm
JANE TANNER
Friend of the McCaans
I think the starters were about to arrive so I thought oh, I'll go and do a check in sort of 20 minutes or so before last check. So I thought I'll go and do a check before the food arrives. So I just walked out of the restaurant, up the hill, I passed Gerry who was talking to one of his tennis friends at the time. And then after I'd past Gerry, at the top of the road I just saw somebody walking across the top of the road I just saw somebody walking across the top of the road so I was a reasonable distance away from them, and that person was carrying a child. He was about probably 5'8 tall, he was taller than me but not 6' and so between those two. He was wearing quite a lot of clothes and that's one thing in hindsight again I think was quite odd because tourists when they're abroad, Brits abroad would always have cropped trousers or shorts or something, and he had a sort of a big heavy jacket and trousers on, and hair.. the one thing that I remember a lot is the hair. He did seem to have quite a lot of dark, reasonably-long-to-the-neck hair. Well I could see.. I could tell it was a child, and I could see the feet and... feet and the bottom of the pyjamas, and I just thought that child's not got any shoes on because you could see the feet, and it was quite a cold night in Portugal in May it's not actually that warm, and I'd got a big jumper on,  and I can remember thinking oh that parent is not a particularly good parent, they've not wrapped them up.

Bit of a contradiction, is it not?





Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2013, 07:46:PM
Lets take an alternative look, using the following criterior:-

(1) - Smith contingent sighting of man seen carrying child after 9:30pm, was not Gerry McCan, but child man was carrying in his arms was Maddie...

(2) - which male members of the tapas 9 group were absent from the tapas bar at that stage...

Four suspects:-

(a) - Gerry McCann
(b) - David Payne
(c) - Mathew Oldfield
(d) - Russell O'Brien

Two of the above four were absent from the tapas bar, around the time the Smith contingent saw the man carrying  of staying at his apartment to look after an unwell childa child in his arms heading away from the general direction of apartment 5A, One of these two males rethe pretenseurned to the tapas bar, whilst the other was absent on the pretense of tending to an unwell child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 11, 2013, 07:56:PM
Mike, I'm with you on this one, I don't know the logistics of what and how it happened but it's all within this group of people and I think someone will blab at some point and then we'll know, perhaps fear of retribution or/and the law and/or loyalty is keeping them quiet
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 08:07:PM
has anybody actully got the statements of smith contingent.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2013, 08:17:PM
Two of the above four were absent from the tapas bar, around the time the Smith contingent saw the man carrying  of staying at his apartment to look after an unwell childa child in his arms heading away from the general direction of apartment 5A, One of these two males rethe pretenseurned to the tapas bar, whilst the other was absent on the pretense of tending to an unwell child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 11, 2013, 08:26:PM
has anybody actully got the statements of smith contingent.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 08:33:PM
so he dident actually say he saw Jerry McCann at all.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2013, 08:40:PM
The sighting by the Smith family of the man seen carrying a child in his arms, places the person seen carrying Maddie heading in the general direection of the derelict building across the street from the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 11, 2013, 08:41:PM
"The Smith family see this recording on the news at 22h00 and are hit hard: they know this person, this way of carrying a child and of walking. It is Gerry McCann, they believe with a high degree of certainty, that they saw on 3 May at about 22h00, carrying a 4 yr old girl who appeared to be deeply asleep. No, there are no doubts. Gerry McCann looks just like the same person he saw carrying the child on May 3."


-I'd say they did say it was Gerry Mccann but it depends upon how you want to interpret it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2013, 08:48:PM
he said this 4 months later can we really believe in those 4 months that was the first the first time he had ever seen a picture of Gerry McCann.

what was so distinctive about the way gerry mcann was carrying his son thousands of people hold there there children like that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 11, 2013, 08:53:PM
Is it a coincidence that Murat visited with his sister,who lived near Tanner and O'Brien,prior to the holiday? Three of the Tapas friends confronted Murat at the police station,adamant that they had seen him around the complex whilst searching for Maddie.He denied this,saying he had been at home. None of the three Tapas friends that made the accusation were Tanner or O'Brien.I believe these two had links with Murat,who in turn was linked to Malinka. Possibly Hewlitt also involved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 11, 2013, 09:58:PM
Is it a coincidence that Murat visited with his sister,who lived near Tanner and O'Brien,prior to the holiday? Three of the Tapas friends confronted Murat at the police station,adamant that they had seen him around the complex whilst searching for Maddie.He denied this,saying he had been at home. None of the three Tapas friends that made the accusation were Tanner or O'Brien.I believe these two had links with Murat,who in turn was linked to Malinka. Possibly Hewlitt also involved.


Hi Tyler,,there are four men here who look alike,,,Symington,,Malinka,Payne and Murat. From a yard or two away,,it would take you all your time to tell which was which.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 12, 2013, 03:08:AM
Ah,I'm completely wrong. Allegedly it was the Mccanns that previously knew Murat. Murat was the business partner of Malinka,and another business partner of Malinka was allegedly Mathew Fazackerley,who comes from Leicestershire.Really odd!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 12, 2013, 09:14:PM
Here is a satellite image of the derelict building, across the road from the church at Prai de Luz, Portugal, where Maddies body was taken:-

The grave site is marked by the yellow circle, in second image...

Additional images show actual grave site, where circled in satelite image, and view from grave site back in the direction of church spire:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 12, 2013, 09:30:PM
Position of PINK ROOM inside derelict building where ghostly image of Maddie materialized, as shown by placement of red coloured circle:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 12, 2013, 09:33:PM
Ghostly image of Maddie, materializes in room of derelict building, across road from church at Prai de luz:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 12, 2013, 10:32:PM
Puzzle of the 11 stones along graveside, and corresponding number of 11 chalked crosses, on door frame inside derelict building:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 12, 2013, 10:49:PM
Here we see a metal bar used by the person to dig the hole into which the body was disposed of:-

This metal bar was brought into the grounds of the derelict building by the same person who gathered up building rubble to conceal the body under, brought frrom across the road near the church where road works were being undertaken around the time of Maddies demise...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 12, 2013, 11:35:PM
Sorry but there is no evidence to support that Madeleine is no longer with us.  Remember that there were 7 sightings that night with a man carrying a child similar to Madeline's description. Each one of those sightings were significant to each others, for neither of the persons who gave a statement did not know what each of the others would say....

Madeleine was abducted........end of...what happened to her after that remains a mystery.... :(   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 12, 2013, 11:39:PM
well unless all those people conspired together to lie but i cant see why they would.

7 sightings of her mean she must of been abducted.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 12, 2013, 11:43:PM
Patti...did police sniffer dogs pick up Maddies scent all the way to the supermarket,and then lost the trail thereafter? Or I may have actually dreamt this!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 12, 2013, 11:45:PM
well unless all those conspired together to lie but i cant see why they would.

7 sightings of her mean she must of been abducted.

Hi Nugs. The mere fact that more than one person saw a man with a child similar to Madeleine on the night she went missing rings bells....we should never discount this. The other thing is, that no man has ever come forward carrying ac child in that area after MC was went missing...even after all the publicity....so to me the Smith's sighting is more significant.  :-\ ;) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 12, 2013, 11:50:PM
Patti...did police sniffer dogs pick up Maddies scent all the way to the supermarket,and then lost the trail thereafter? Or I may have actually dreamt this!

Hi Tyler...I am not sure about that...Its been a long time since I looked into the case.....I do know that dogs were used to sniff out, and, I do know that they tracked the smell towards the front on of the building...What I mean is from the patio doors turning right from them and through an alley way that led to the front of the building...where the car park is.  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 12, 2013, 11:52:PM
Thanks Patti x
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 13, 2013, 12:06:AM
Thanks Patti x

That might indicate that the abductor left by the patio doors and went round to the front car park and headed of toward the area where JT saw a man carrying a child....

My argument is this...why travel east towards Lagos then 30 or so minutes later several witnesses saw a man carrying a child similar to JT's description in the South West of PDL...

My answer to this is that the abductor panicked. he knew he had been seen by JT and changed directions..like any normal criminal would...Its a possibility!  :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 13, 2013, 11:43:AM
That might indicate that the abductor left by the patio doors and went round to the front car park and headed of toward the area where JT saw a man carrying a child....

My argument is this...why travel east towards Lagos then 30 or so minutes later several witnesses saw a man carrying a child similar to JT's description in the South West of PDL...

My answer to this is that the abductor panicked. he knew he had been seen by JT and changed directions..like any normal criminal would...Its a possibility!  :) :)

Nobody knew patio doors were unlocked, only McCann parents, until about 9:30am when two other tapas group members were informed of this fact ( could someone please identify who these two male members were / are)...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 13, 2013, 11:54:AM
There is considerable doubt, about the timing of purported checks on the children, by various members of the so called 'TAPAS GANG'. In fact, two versions of when these checks were supposedly carried out, by all and sundry. All I would like to know, is which timed versions are correct, one or other, or neither?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 13, 2013, 11:55:AM
There is considerable doubt, about the timing of purported checks on the children, by various members of the so called 'TAPAS GANG'. In fact, two versions of when these checks were supposedly carried out, by all and sundry. All I would like to know, is which timed versions are correct, one or other, or neither?

Why would there be two different versions of alleged, or purported timed, events?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 13, 2013, 12:47:PM
Why would there be two different versions of alleged, or purported timed, events?

Exactly, how many versions of the truth are there, out there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 13, 2013, 02:19:PM
Mike I think it was M. Oldfield that last checked MM at about 9:30...Kate told him the patio doors were closed but not locked. 

MO listened outside of the shutter during one of his checks and said the shutter was down...

4078 "And you are confident the shutter was down?"
 
Reply "Yeah, absolutely".
 
4078 "Is that because you can remember seeing it down or because you just think you would have noticed if it hadn't have been down?"
 
Reply "I'm pretty sure I saw them down".
 
4078 "And when you listened outside the room where Madeleine was?"
 
Reply "Yeah".
 
4078 "How close would you have got to the shutter?"
 
Reply "I'd have been about a foot away, because, I mean, the shutters, you're not sure how well you're going to hear something through, so my ear wouldn't have been pressed against the two, but, erm, it would have been sort of about a foot or so".
 
4078 "And how long would you have listened for outside that particular window?"
 
Reply "Erm, five or ten seconds".

When Oldfield returned GM said I'll go and check on the kids. Matthew told he had listed outside M's window, but Gerry went anyway...then JT followed him a couple of minutes later. This is when she saw GM talking to Jenkins.  The last TWO males to go and do checks were Russel and Matthew.....Russell stayed in his apartment because one of their children were ill....

Matthew went back to the restaurant and informed JT that one of their children were ill.  JT finished her meal and then went back again to her apartment to relieve Russell....

The important thing to note is that JT walks passed the window 3 times after seeing a man carrying a child...Matthew walks passed it twice and Russell once, but I doubt Russell would have noticed the shutter being open because he would have had his back towards the window...The window would have only been noticed on the way back to the restaurant..... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 13, 2013, 02:27:PM
That is odd. I thought that GM stood and spoke to his friend AFTER he had been in the apartment,in which it is said that he spent quite some time? If JT had followed GM out of the restaurant by only a couple of minutes,then GM must have spoken to his friend BEFORE he went into the apartment,if he even went in at all?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 13, 2013, 02:30:PM
That is odd. I thought that GM stood and spoke to his friend AFTER he had been in the apartment,in which it is said that he spent quite some time? If JT had followed GM out of the restaurant by only a couple of minutes,then GM must have spoken to his friend BEFORE he went into the apartment,if he even went in at all?

All I know is that Gerry went first and on the way out of the apartment he stopped and spoke to Jenkins.  Then JT goes out and sees them...There is a timeline somewhere... :) :) :)

4078 "And you said when you went in you went in through the patio door?"
 
Reply "Yeah"
 
4078 "Or the poolside door?"
 
Reply "Yeah".
 
4078 "How did you know to go through there?"
 
Reply "Well Kate said that that one was open".
 
4078 "And when did she say that?"
 
Reply "When I offered to go and, erm, go and look".
 
4078 "Okay".
 
Reply "Because I said do you want me to check the kids and she said yeah the patio door is open".
 
4078 "Okay".
 
Reply "I mean, it was closed, it wasn't sort of open".
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 13, 2013, 02:37:PM
So really,with all the activity from the tapas group between 9.30 and 10pm there wasn't much window of oppurtunity for any abductor.Unless,as GM says,the abductor may have already been in the apartment when he did his last check,and the guy JT allegedly saw,may have been the abductor making his escape...with Maddie.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 02:39:PM
now how did the abducter know there was children in the flat and how did they know the mcanns were out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 13, 2013, 02:48:PM
The Mccanns believe they had been being watched and their movements and routine noted,over the previous days.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 02:52:PM
i see so this want an opertunist crime it had been planned.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 13, 2013, 02:58:PM
So really,with all the activity from the tapas group between 9.30 and 10pm there wasn't much window of oppurtunity for any abductor.Unless,as GM says,the abductor may have already been in the apartment when he did his last check,and the guy JT allegedly saw,may have been the abductor making his escape...with Maddie.

I think they were watched going back and forth...the only people that knew this were those that worked at the restaurant like waiters, bar staff and those that worked in the reception area...Although on saying that anyone from an apartment that overlooked the restaurant would have noted their activities. Or anyone in am apartment that overlooked the side of the complex or from the front of the building....In all fairness you could eliminate any overlooking apartment from the front as they would not be able to see the side gate or view the patio doors....

I believe the abductor left via the front door because you did not need a key to open it from the inside, but you do need a key to open it from the outside....The only spare keys were kept in the reception area within the complex. 

Its so so complicated...yet, logic is that its so simple when you think about it....

The difficulty I had was that JT sees a man carrying a child towards Lagos..which is east...The Smith's see a similar man carrying a child in the south west of PDL. But when you ask yourself why would a man carrying an abducted child change directions....it become blatantly obvious why he changed his route....He was seen by JT.....like any criminal, they would go the opposite way in order to deceive the authorities come the time of the crime being reported.....They would look towards Lagos...or Murat's...

Surely this has to someone local...if he was seen again by the Smith family...This guy had no transport, otherwise he would have used it and have not risked being seen.....Local or holidaymaker? 

If this man was genuine and it was his child, then way after all this world wide publicity has he never come forward.?  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 13, 2013, 03:02:PM
I don't think it was an opportunist at all...A paedophile watches his pray, then takes.  I feel awful for saying that, but this is how they work...There has been opportunists like Robert Black...he scored remote villages in his white van...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 03:09:PM
if he was hiding in the flat when gerry mcann checked that would explain everything say gerry mcann forgot to lock up properly after he checked its easily done.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 13, 2013, 03:17:PM
I think someone asked for the trail of where the dogs sniffed for MM...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 03:52:PM
did the witness describe the abductor as light skinned or dark skinned.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on April 13, 2013, 07:41:PM
Hi Nugs. The mere fact that more than one person saw a man with a child similar to Madeleine on the night she went missing rings bells....we should never discount this. The other thing is, that no man has ever come forward carrying ac child in that area after MC was went missing...even after all the publicity....so to me the Smith's sighting is more significant.   :-\ ;) :) :) :)





The Smith family only came forward after seeing a newsclip of Gerry carrying one of his twins, and identified him as the person they saw carrying a child that night in Praia de luz.


I still don't understand the clip of 'Gerry laughing on the balcony'.  Why was he laughing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 07:44:PM
i dont belive that was the first time he had seen a picture of gerry mcann.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on April 13, 2013, 08:11:PM
i dont belive that was the first time he had seen a picture of gerry mcann.





So he recognised him?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 08:20:PM
he dident say its was gerry mcann till 4 months later after cliaming he had seen a picture of gerry mcann.

now i cant belive hes telling the truth here i cant belive that months that was the first time he had seen a picture of gerry mcann the mcanns had all over the news 24/7
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on April 13, 2013, 09:22:PM
he dident say its was gerry mcann till 4 months later after cliaming he had seen a picture of gerry mcann.

now i cant belive hes telling the truth here i cant belive that months that was the first time he had seen a picture of gerry mcann the mcanns had all over the news 24/7




Why not?

They watched news of Gerry carrying a child off a plane weeks after Madeleine went missing, which triggered their memories of meeting and talking to someone similar carrying a 'sleeping child' through the steets of Praia de luz.

What's your take of him on the balcony laughing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 09:29:PM
in stressful situations people react in all different ways

no matter whats happened to you if someone says something funny you might still laugh.

some people laugh when there nervous.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on April 13, 2013, 10:40:PM
When Gerry got off of the plan,Smith says he recognised the way Gerry was walking and the way he was holding his child,to be the same as the guy he and his family had seen on their holiday.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2013, 10:46:PM
but thousands of people carry there kids like that what would make it so distinctive.

as i can see theres nothing about his walk thats distinctive ether.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 01:40:AM




The Smith family only came forward after seeing a newsclip of Gerry carrying one of his twins, and identified him as the person they saw carrying a child that night in Praia de luz.


I still don't understand the clip of 'Gerry laughing on the balcony'.  Why was he laughing?

Hi HMEssex :)

I;m afraid that is incorrect. The Smiths made their statements on the 26th May 2007. After September when Mr Smith saw the McCann's came home and saw Gerry carrying one of the twins it reminded him of the night he saw a man carrying a child,  he then made another statement. His wife refused to make another statement.

In fact the Smith's knew Murat prior to Madeleine being taken and the statement which the Smiths made on the 26th saved Murat....from any further involvement although Murat was made an aguido a couple of days before prior to Smiths statement on the 26th.  In fact it could have been the following day, but I can't remember off hand.

Also to note that at this point the Smith family were unaware that they had seen a similar man carrying a child as to that of JTanner....all 7 of the Smith family witnessed this man with a child, but this man if not the abductor has never come forward despite worldwide media attention.   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 14, 2013, 01:47:AM
so he dident actually say he saw Gerry McCann it just reminded him

and nobody else in the smith contingent backed this story up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 02:00:AM
so he dident actually say he saw Gerry McCann it just reminded him

and nobody else in the smith contingent backed this story up.

Hi nugs :) He did say he was 70 to 80% sure it was Gerry that was carrying the child when Madeleine disappeared, this was 4 months later on though.  But, on saying that there is conflicting reports on the reasons Smith never came forward before he saw Gerry walk down the stairs of the plane.....after Gerry had been seen on daily basis carrying one of the twins in PDL..via news reports sent worldwide. 

This statement by Smith caused the demise of the McCann's popularity.  Yet, Smith had said that he promised to help the McCann's in every way possible to help find Madeleine.  A bit hypocritical really!

I still think the man they saw was either a  local or an holidaymaker; whoever it was had no transport and took a great risk in carrying a child through PDL.... :-\ :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 14, 2013, 02:06:AM
as far as i know there is no other way to get off a plane than the way gerry mcann got of it so i cant really see how that would of jogged his memory.

and i would say that's the normal way to carry a child when your getting of a plane so i don't see how it aroused his suspicions.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 02:07:AM
Hi nugs :) He did say he was 70 to 80% sure it was Gerry that was carrying the child when Madeleine disappeared, this was 4 months later on though.  But, on saying that there is conflicting reports on the reasons Smith never came forward before he saw Gerry walk down the stairs of the plane.....after Gerry had been seen on daily basis carrying one of the twins in PDL..via news reports sent worldwide. 

This statement by Smith caused the demise of the McCann's popularity.  Yet, Smith had said that he promised to help the McCann's in every way possible to help find Madeleine.  A bit hypocritical really!

I still think the man they saw was either a  local or an holidaymaker; whoever it was had no transport and took a great risk in carrying a child through PDL.... :-\ :) :) :) :)

forgot to add that only one person in the Smith family agreed with Mr Smith and that was his wife....the others disagreed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 02:13:AM
as far as i know there is no other way to get off a plane than the way gerry mcann got of it so i cant really see how that would of jogged his memory.

and i would that's the normal way to carry a child when your getting of a plane so i don't see how it aroused his suspicions.

Neither can I nugs, but there you go! I think all parents at some point carry their children in that way. I certainly did.  I know the Smiths have kept a very low profile since and employed a solicitor at one point to write to several newspapers on which they made a public apology to the Smith family and in return they paid his legal fees.....I also read and this is a fact because it was a police email...and that was that the police said that they were convinced that Mr Smith was not out to make money from the disappearance of Madeleine and that he was a well respected man in his local town.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 14, 2013, 10:50:AM
Where there's crime,,there'll always be focus on one particular person in which to take the heat off the real culprit. The media are famous for whipping up frenzied reports on the wrong person,and as a result,an innocent person suffers the backlash and the real criminal goes free having not been caught up in the frenzy itself.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 11:21:AM
Where there's crime,,there'll always be focus on one particular person in which to take the heat off the real culprit. The media are famous for whipping up frenzied reports on the wrong person,and as a result,an innocent person suffers the backlash and the real criminal goes free having not been caught up in the frenzy itself.

Hi Lookout :) 

I agree with you. Because both the McCann's and Murat were made aguido's the focus of attention to the real criminals were lost in time.  There are many suspects in this case, but are those suspects the correct ones? I suppose we will never know unless someone somewhere comes forward with new information....or it could be that that information is already there, but overlooked.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 14, 2013, 12:38:PM
Hi Lookout :) 

I agree with you. Because both the McCann's and Murat were made aguido's the focus of attention to the real criminals were lost in time.  There are many suspects in this case, but are those suspects the correct ones? I suppose we will never know unless someone somewhere comes forward with new information....or it could be that that information is already there, but overlooked.  :) :) :) :)


Hi Patti,,,you've only to look at Malinkas' background and see his many alias's. Why the need for that,you have to ask yourself.? Plus the way he cleared off smartish from his flat in Portugal near to where the McCanns were staying. Also his cars which were torched and " Fala " written on the pavement.
He's one shifty individual.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 12:51:PM
Him and Murat successfully won a lawsuit against the press, but Malinka didn't receive a mega payout like Murat did.  The Smith sighting out him in the frame for just round the corner is where he lived with his mother.  His mother also cleaned on the same block of apartments where the McCanns were staying, but did not clean that apartment.  Crikey! We have even talked about duplicated keys Lookout, which is not an impossibility, nor was it impossible for a member of staff to have gotten a key from reception.....

Here is something of interest, I know that you will have read this before and seen the photo...I will also drag out the statements of Leicester police and post them...


 
Why was Sergey Malinka's car destroyed ?

The Algarve Resident of Portugal reported on March 26, 2008 that a car belonging to Praia da Luz resident Sergey Malinka was destroyed by burning on the night of March 20, 2008. On the sidewalk next to where the car was parked the word "fala" ["talk" in Portuguese] was written in large letters.

Who is Sergey Malinka?

Sergey Malinka is a Moldavian-Russian man who has been living in Praia da Luz for about seven [or more] years. He is considered to be an expert in computer-related stuff and as a result is well known and enjoys a high social profile. He also operates a computer store in Praia da Luz. On May 16, 2007 he was interviewed by the Portuguese police in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on the night of May 3, 2007 from a room in an apartment at the Mark Warner Ocean Club in Praia de Luz. When the police arrived at his apartment to question him, he had already wiped clean the hard drive of his personal computer which contained hundreds of files known only to him. He denied any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and the police could not arrest nor charge him with anything for a lack of evidence. How did Malinka found out the police were going to his place to question him in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? If he didn't have anything to hide why did he wipe clean the files on his computer? As a matter of record for anyone to verify, Sergey Malinka telephoned former suspect in the case Robert Murat on or about 10:30 pm on May 3, 2007 - just some 30 minutes after Madeleine McCann went missing. Phone records show that both men were in continuous contact during the crucial hours after her disappearance. In addition, Robert Murat's mother Jennifer who operates a bed-and-breakfast business in Praia da Luz confirmed that both men had met and talked lengthily before and after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Also, in its edition dated August 7, 2007 the digital magazine Variedad published a report featuring information on Sergey Malinka and his relationship with Robert Murat. According to the report, Sergey Malinka has a criminal background related to paedophilia, and his relationship with Robert Murat is based on common business interests connected to child trafficking, on behalf of international organisations with presence in Portugal and involved in this highly lucrative criminal enterprise. Malinka mysteriously disappeared from Praia da Luz shortly after Madeleine McCann was snatched from the bed she was sleeping on. The report by Variedad also included information on a large number of child-porn videos and pictures that were found at Robert Murat's house during a search after the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann had occurred on the night of May 3, 2007.

Sergey Malinka was [or still is] employed as a trip organizer by the Corlett Lines Company who owns the yacht "Naomi Corlett" which was believed to be the vessel that left Portimao in the early afternoon hours of May 3, 2007 and headed towards the Marina in Lagos to be positioned near Praia da Luz. As a matter of record for anyone to verify, Malinka was [or still is] an organizer of expeditions to remote islands off the coast of Africa on behalf of the Corlett Lines Company, and was also involved in offering boat trips in the Mediterranean and to the North of Africa. These business activities show that he had access to sea vessels before May 3, 2007. Also, telephone communication records available confirm that Malinka called his wife that was on board the yacht after its arrival at the Marina in the early afternoon hours of May 3, 2007. All of these and other facts suggest that Sergey Malinka was either directly involved in or has vital information on the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Sergey Malinka is also a man with different alias. According to reports published on the sergeant's inn website, Malinka is known also as "Nick Legaloff," "Nikolai Fedorenko," "Ivan Nikolayevich Petrov," and possibly other false names. Why so many fake names? What is he really up that requires him to use so many fake names? These and many more questions remained unanswered on an individual whose shadowy activities make him a subject of interest in connection with different events, including what links to the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann. But above all, the biggest unanswered question is: Why was his car destroyed, and the Portuguese word "fala" ["talk] written in large letters next to it?  Who wants him to "talk" about what? Whoever burned Malinka's car must have valid reasons to demand of him to "talk" in such a violent way. What does Malinka know that you and I don't regarding the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann?  May we suggest that investigators currently working on the case give consideration to this information?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 12:51:PM
Here is the burnt out car. 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 12:53:PM
2. RECORD OF PAEDOPHILE MATERIAL

Alison informs us that 4 years ago her boyfriend Cristian was spending two nights at Sergei Malinka's home when, upon going to send an email from one of Sergei's computers and upon joining an attachment he saw paedophile material. When asked for explanations, Sergei told him that it was a client's computer and that he would denounce the fact to the pertinent authorities the following day.

That is what Alison told us.

Alison's phone number: ******

The telephone conversation with Alison is attached:
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 12:56:PM
Statement of the mother of Malinka.

WITNESS STATEMENT

Date: 2007/06/20 Time: 22h00 Location: DIC Portim'
Officer: Carlos Dordonnat - Inspector

Name: Svetlana Malinika

There is no relationship as envisaged in Art.134, paragraph 1 of the CPP.
Moves to give evidence.

In the matter of the file she said:

--- She comes to these in the capacity of a witness.
--- Because the witness does not know the Portuguese language she is going to be assisted in this act by the Russian-speaking interpreter Mrs. Galina Lxxxx in this DIC.
--- The witness has been in Portugal since August 1999, having always resided in Praia da Luz - Lagos.
--- For approximately 5 or 6 years the witness works in the firm Blue Ocean, which undertakes cleaning work in the area of Praia da Luz and specifically in the area of the Ocean Club where the company performs cleaning work in some of the apartments near the apartment where the English minor Madeleine McCann disappeared, namely in an apartment that is in the same block but which is on the top floor, it being that the witness does not know precisely which apartment.
--- She adds that the witness is not always the one who goes there as there are other employees in the firm and the work allocation is done on a rotation basis.
--- The witness adds that the vast majority of people working in the area know that the apartments in the block occupied by the McCann couple are normally occupied given the proximity of the pool, and the occupants are usually foreigners.
--- The witness declares further that she knew of the disappearance of the minor from having heard conversations of her colleagues commenting on the case, it being that only two days after the events she came to understand [learn] the location where the events had occurred.
--- She has nothing to add regarding the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann, except to say that she has lived in the area of Praia da Luz for about eight years and at no time has she ever been aware of abnormal situations given that she characterises the area as being very quiet.

Nothing further was said. Read, ratifies and will sign with the translator who assisted in this.
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 12:57:PM
WITNESSES STATEMENT

Date: 2007/05/16 Time: 22:30 Location: DIC Portim'
Officer: John Carlos and Luis Pereira, Inspectors

There is no relationship as envisaged in Art.134, paragraph l of the CPP.
Moves to give evidence.

On the matter of the file he said:
--- He comes to the file as a witness.
--- Although of Russian nationality he fully understands the Portuguese language in its oral and written forms. He has been in Portugal for nearly seven years.
--- He lives with his parents. He has a Portuguese girlfriend.
--- Asked, he said he knows ROBERT MURAT since the summer of last year, he thinks. He came to know him through his neighbour R** A*****, who introduced the witness to ROBERT, claiming that he was a good designer of pages and websites. When speaking with ROBERT, he [RM] explained the type of page that he wanted, and the witness performed the work. It was a page of real estate for sale on the Internet, without resorting to a property firm, whose name was www.romigen.com. After completing the draft he returned to him the copyright, as well as the username and password of the administrator. He recalls that the username was a 1 and the password 123, which were altered by ROBERT. After the delivery of the work, he had three weeks to make alterations, as a page of this size needs few changes after entry onto the net. He knows that this enterprise (Romigen) belonged to ROBERT and to a woman of the name MICHAELA, who hardly interfered, but was always present at meetings.
--- Other than this web site, he did not carry out any other work for ROBERT or for MICHAELA..
--- The meetings to which he refers were carried out in the bedroom in Robert's home at Casa Liliana and in the "Baptista" supermarket, situated in Praia da Luz.
--- He confirms that four years ago, he was at the home of ROBERT at the request of his mother, JANE MURAT (sic), to format her computer, so that the operating system would work faster, and to install an anti-virus. He did not know ROBERT at that time, nor did he know that JANE (sic) was his mother. That this contact was established by the mother through the firm where the witness worked called "125 computers", situated on the EN 125, Mexilhoeira Grande. As his employer failed to pay his salary, he left the firm around three years ago.
--- He has now formed a company called "Sergey Malinka", which is not yet on the Internet, for monetary reasons, since its introduction has high costs.
--- He had solely professional contacts with ROBERT, although RM had invited him to form a joint business, which was refused by the witness.
--- The first contact with ROBERT, as already said, was in last summer, to create the web page, and this occurred near the Church of the Light [the church in PdL], where there was only ROBERT and the witness, he believes at l0H00/11H00. He now alleges that RUI was not present personally, he only gave Robert's phone number to SM. The creation of the Internet page took about three weeks to a month. ROBERT paid him '3000 in total, in two equal installments. The first part of the payment was at the beginning of the work and the second when completed.
--- The second time they met was two or three days later, not knowing where this occurred but thinks it was in the "Baptista" supermarket. He does not have an indication of the time. This second meeting was to show him the page, although not complete, he believes on ROBERT's laptop.
--- Contacts for the meetings were made by mobile phone.
--- The other meetings, he does not know how many, but he claims there had been five or six times, occurred in a space of two or three days, where they gave information to the witness to carry out work on the page, or make changes. These meetings were conducted at his house, in the room opposite the gates, where he had the portable [computer], in the kitchen and in the "Baptista'. He does not know the specific days, but they were between 10H00 and 12H00 and in the afternoon between 18H00 and 21H00. This will have taken place in the summer of the past year. In some of those meetings MICHAELA was present.
--- After completing the page, he knows that ROBERT went to the UK. During the work, he had some problems with ROBERT, of a professional nature, because he demanded changes, and sometimes the witness forgot to perform them.
--- The last time they met was at the request of ROBERT, who called the witness to perform other work and improve the page. The day after the telephone contact he met with him together with MICHAELA. This meeting took place on 30 April 2007, so the contact call occurred on 29th. It was held in the "Baptista" supermarket, about 10H00. It was agreed that the witness would try the page, following indication from ROBERT, the indications being given by email. The witness' email: [e-mail address deleted]. The last telephone contact he had with ROBERT, he believes, was on May 11, when the witness was contacted, he thinks, at 16:00. This contact was to draw the attention of the witness, because the page opened incorrectly. He recalls trying to call ROBERT on 14th, however he [RM] had the appliance disconnected.
--- He describes his days as follows: he wakes at 09H00/10H00, has breakfast and leaves to go to deal with professional matters - visits to customers who have contracts and other clients who sought his services. He does not know the localities, or corresponding times. Usually no lunch, returning home at 18H00/19H00, where he consults his email and calendar. Rarely leaves at night, and when he does, he is accompanied by his girlfriend to go to the cinema or a restaurant. He usually schedules his services the day before he executes them. To travel between services he uses his car "Audi A4, registration 10-xx-xx'.
--- He states that he has all the appointments, with the data/hour and client's name booked [recorded] in his MDA and home computer.
--- Regarding the day 03 May he said that he did not meet, nor spoke with Robert. On this day he followed the routine described above.
--- As for the computers he had at home he said that one of them is his property, without brand, and the other two belong to customers, including a customer from Burgau, but he does not know the name, and another from the firm 'Avenue properties", with offices in Lagos and Praia da Luz. In his car he also had a laptop computer which he bought today in the "People's Radio" brand "Accer", for the sum of '599.
--- Also in Burgau he has a client by the name of "SALLY", a female, who is an aunt or cousin of ROBERT. She has a home called 'Salsalito' near the International School of Burgau. This visit occurred about a week ago, day 08 or 09.
--- With specific reference to the 03 May 2007, the witness confirms to have woken up at his parents' home, between 9 and 10am, having followed his normal professional activity, which is the service and repair of computers. He does not recall which customers were visited, since anything that occurs daily is registered in his MDA.
--- Also he does not recollect having lunch that day. He knows he got home by 18H00. He dined with the family and stayed in his room for the rest of the night, using the computer for games, Messenger, internet and may have carried out some repairs to the equipment of a client.
--- The next day, he learnt about the disappearance of a girl, through an image put in the shop window of a shop near to his house, having asked a member of staff what had happened, who also could not explain to him. He had a day without changes, that is, he did all tasks he had planned to perform.
--- He affirms not to have had any involvement in the efforts that were made by almost all local residents, in the search for the missing girl, named MADELEINE. This was due only to lack of time, since he had much work and could not fail in the commitments to customers.
--- With regard to the telephone contact he received on 03 May 07, at 23:30, made by ROBERT, he affirms that he does not recall having received such a call, but if this actually happened, it will have been to arrange a meeting with the same, for professional reasons.
--- He affirms he is not protecting ROBERT and never to have had the intention to take any kind of responsibility for him, including the activities undertaken for him on the computer.
--- He does not know any thing that can contribute to [finding the] the location of the girl, or for any another kind of explanation of the events under investigation.
--- No other information to provide for the file.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 14, 2013, 02:27:PM
Patti,there was a Matt Fazackeley who was once possibly a business partner of Sergey Malinka,,and who was once in court on child abuse. Again,this guy looks like both Murat and Malinka. Matt's from Leicester.

Listen,,if as Murat and his mother had stated that both were indoors the night that Madeleine went missing,but had supposedly known nothing about her abduction,,,then how come Murats' mother had a van outside her house next morning with a picture of Madeleine on it.?
This came after Murat had denied any connection with Murat.
There was also the fact that Murat had acted as a linguist.Were there no other people in Portugal who could have done the same.? This way,,I think Murat was somehow connected with the police there. Corrupt.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 03:37:PM
Patti,there was a Matt Fazackeley who was once possibly a business partner of Sergey Malinka,,and who was once in court on child abuse. Again,this guy looks like both Murat and Malinka. Matt's from Leicester.

Listen,,if as Murat and his mother had stated that both were indoors the night that Madeleine went missing,but had supposedly known nothing about her abduction,,,then how come Murats' mother had a van outside her house next morning with a picture of Madeleine on it.?
This came after Murat had denied any connection with Murat.
There was also the fact that Murat had acted as a linguist.Were there no other people in Portugal who could have done the same.? This way,,I think Murat was somehow connected with the police there. Corrupt.

But where the mothers asked if either of them made or received a phone call?  Malinka claims he spent the night in his bedroom...I don't think the PJ asked the mothers that question...why deny it?  Maybe they had no idea that the calls from mobiles could be traced....LOL  we are all watched from above...

Have you found anything about those codes that I passed on to you earlier.....I Have heard of this Matt fella....but there is only so much my memory can store...:( 

I'm interested in the aliases of SM and why he had 3 passports....He must have been hiding something...

"  According to reports published on the sergeant's inn website, Malinka is known also as "Nick Legaloff," "Nikolai Fedorenko," "Ivan Nikolayevich Petrov," and possibly other false names. Why so many fake names? "
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 14, 2013, 03:45:PM
the smith email to newspapers sounds strange to me what were the police doing getting involved in something that was bassicaly a civel matter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 14, 2013, 04:40:PM
 PATTI,I might have known that whatever I found pertaining to SM wouldn't be Kosher.
5 million dollars = 1 Terabyte.-------------Pirated Data displayed as art,,by artist Manuel Palou.
Answer is that it's fraud covered by the fact that it's also an art.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 05:27:PM
PATTI,I might have known that whatever I found pertaining to SM wouldn't be Kosher.
5 million dollars = 1 Terabyte.-------------Pirated Data displayed as art,,by artist Manuel Palou.
Answer is that it's fraud covered by the fact that it's also an art.

You've been busy. I knew you would come up with something...There is something in those one liners Lookout...don't give up the source of this info yet. Or we may get into bother lololol

I have found something out that I didn't know from the forensic side I don't suppose it would hurt to post it on here.  I was not aware that semen was found on the other single bed opposite to MM's...Just on the bed cover....I might have known about it some years ago, but have forgotten... :-\ :( :( :( :(

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 14, 2013, 05:40:PM
You've been busy. I knew you would come up with something...There is something in those one liners Lookout...don't give up the source of this info yet. Or we may get into bother lololol

I have found something out that I didn't know from the forensic side I don't suppose it would hurt to post it on here.  I was not aware that semen was found on the other single bed opposite to MM's...Just on the bed cover....I might have known about it some years ago, but have forgotten... :-\ :( :( :( :(


Patti,I'm not sure I was aware of evidence like that on the bed cover. That's a bit iffy,isn't it.?

The other with SM,,I'll see what else I can glean.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 14, 2013, 05:46:PM
- various hairs from the floor of the living room, they being placed inside a paper envelope in accordance with instructions issued by the Biology Section of the LPC and referenced as trace evidence #6;

- various hairs from the floor of the main door entrance hallway of the apartment, they being placed inside a paper envelope in accordance with instructions issued by the Biology Section of the LPC and referenced as trace evidence #7;
 

On the single bed opposite to that from which the child disappeared, despite it being impregnated the red-coloured chemical product referred to, the search for hairs proceeded,that search having been negative.

After the recovery of hairs described above there proceeded the search for possible traces of semen, using a variable-wave light source appropriate for the task, there being identified various [several] areas where fluorescence characteristic of this type of trace evidence was seen.

The areas where the fluorescence was seen were submitted to a "Phosphatise test" search there being a slightly positive reaction (purplish colour) only in area of the bed-cover of the single bed opposite to the bed from where the minor disappeared, a piece of that bed-cover being collected and placed inside a paper envelope in accordance with instructions issued by the Biology Section of the LPC, it being referenced as trace evidence #5;

A search was also made for possible biological traces and fibres on the single bed from where the minor disappeared, using a variable-wave light source appropriate for the task, the result obtained having been negative.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 12:19:AM
so this malinka guy should really be the prime suspect.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 15, 2013, 09:07:AM
so this malinka guy should really be the prime suspect.


Besides others,nugs,,,it's a " ring ". The police work was abysmal.
Said guy had wiped his computer free from pornography before the police visited his home,,after a call from Robert Murat that night warning him to expect the police.
It was stated that during interviews,Murat said he hadn't contacted Malinka for over 12 months.! Lies.! 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 11:42:AM
so its not really much of a mystery at all.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 15, 2013, 11:50:AM
so its not really much of a mystery at all.


There's a lot more to this than meets the eye,nugs,,,but it's unprintable.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 12:07:PM
i heard gonka amoral was heavly in debt at the time does anyone know wether this is true or not.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 15, 2013, 12:34:PM
i heard gonka amoral was heavly in debt at the time does anyone know wether this is true or not.



It was true,nugs. Him and his wife were on the verge of losing their home. He had to sell his " prized car " in order to keep the cash flowing,,,then it was decided that he claw back some cash by writing a book,,namely " The Truth of the Lie ".
This was a man who ran to the press on the morning of the abduction,,and blatantly said that the McCanns had disposed of the childs' body,so the newspaper,24Horas,printed this and it caught on world-wide with the press.
To cut a long story short,the McCanns took him to court for a libel case,,and won,,so what money he'd built up with the sale of his book,he had to forfeit after the case.
All finances were then put into the fund set up for Madeleine. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 01:12:PM
so if someone had paid him not to look in there direction i am sure he would of only been to happy to oblige.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 15, 2013, 02:57:PM
so if someone had paid him not to look in there direction i am sure he would of only been to happy to oblige.



That about sums him up,nugs. The man was heavily in debt. In fact,,another point that wasn't played-on so much was a sum of money that changed hands between the police on the morning of the investigation. Which ended up in an officers account which seemingly " he knew nothing about ".!
Neither do we.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 03:34:PM
i bet this also has something to do with the other case amoral was involved in.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 15, 2013, 03:41:PM
i bet this also has something to do with the other case amoral was involved in.


I'm almost certain it did nugs. The beating up of that poor woman who was also accused of murdering her daughter. Bearing that in mind,,it's of no surprise to see how the McCann case went.
The police are corrupt,nugs. Strange how Amaral was " thrown " off the case in the following October of that year,2007,,then " thrown " out of the force,,a disgraced man.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 03:44:PM
so actully no real mystry russian pervert aducts childs burns his car to cover it up wipes his hard drive then bribes the police to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 15, 2013, 05:35:PM
so actully no real mystry russian pervert aducts childs burns his car to cover it up wipes his hard drive then bribes the police to look elsewhere.

Hi Nugs :)

We don't know that for sure.  What is fact is that Malinka claimed he knew nothing about Madeleine's disappearance till the following day. 

Because the PJ looked into Murat's phone records they noted a call to Malinka on the night Madeleine disappeared.  So the PJ interviewed him.  Its sad to say but the police found bastility and porn on his computer and he did wipe one of his hard drives clean prior to the interview.  His car was burned in 2008 the following year with the words FALA wrote in red on the pavement. Fala means talk!. 

Malinka worked with a Matt F for two years running a computer business and Matt's girlfriend says the reason they split up and the business folded was because Malinka was taking money.  She goes on the say that Malinka often bragged about having young girls and told them he was once caught with a 14 year old, by the childs father....He was also knocking off a 32/33 year old woman, who had a daughter aged 16 and he told them he was going to eat her as well as the mother. 

He also had several European passports and many aliases....The man himself was well dodgy, but this does not mean he is a killer....

Last night Lookout and I found more things out about the past of Murat, but I don't think we will be able to post it on here......Right must get some tea... :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 05:40:PM
no it doesnt make him a killer on its own i bet he knows what happened to her though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 15, 2013, 06:49:PM
no it doesnt make him a killer on its own i bet he knows what happened to her though.

No it doesn't and we must be careful not to accuse....There are many suspects in this case, there is a list as long as my arm.

The PJ brought all these people to the forefront, but I bet diamonds that none of them are guilty and the one that is has gotten away.... :-\ ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 06:58:PM
money starts appearing in the bank accounts of police officers.

this is more than just a lone abduction.

assumeing the money had anything to do with this case but its a funny coincidence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 15, 2013, 07:08:PM
money starts appearing in the bank accounts of police officers.

this is more than just a lone abduction.

assumeing the money had anything to do with this case but its a funny coincidence.

Lookout is right about Amaral being on the brink of bankruptcy! If you look at the early photo's of Amaral you will see he improves from a greasy man, to a man with a look of status! The change of image came when the book was published.

When Madeleine went missing he was dining with friends and did not turn up till the following morning. All this hype about him being in charge, he in charge of his wine glass...

The two copper that turned up were from the GNR they were road cops! They had not got a clue how to handle a crime scene or make any major decisions on preserving a crime scene.  By the time forensics arrived the crime scene proved to be none existent...there was nothing to be had.  They even had to cope with dog hairs all over the place...The vast amount of hair found made it impossible to determine any vital evidence which could have been vital to the case.  :-\ :) :) :) :)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 07:12:PM
now murat phoning malinka that night nothing really suspicious about that if Murat regularly phoned him but did regularly phone him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 15, 2013, 07:19:PM
now murat phoning malinka that night nothing really suspicious about that if Murat regularly phoned him but did regularly phone him.

I think the thing was that Malinka denied having a conversation with Murat....Of course he could have forgot...2 weeks later this sort of thing does happen..

I don't think that Murat was happy with the website that Malinka had designed for him, he kept wanting Malinka to make some changes...

Nugs what do you think about this case...Do you think that any of the suspects we have discussed on here is a likely candidate for the abduction of Madeleine? 

Gawd! the more I try to find the more I find out...especially since the case files were made public in 2008...
 :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 08:44:PM
i dont think ethere murret or malinka actually took her but i think they both know more than there telling.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2013, 08:48:PM
did muret phone malinkas landline or his mobile.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 15, 2013, 09:17:PM
did muret phone malinkas landline or his mobile.

It was mobile nugs....

Just watching the bombing in America.... :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2013, 03:43:PM
i wonder why smith suddenly changed his story.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 16, 2013, 05:34:PM
i wonder why smith suddenly changed his story.

Hi Nugs :)

Smith's statement got Murat of the hook if truth be known.  Smith knew Murat he had been in the same bar as him on many occasions.  When Smith made his statement about a man carrying a child...he would have known if it was Murat and this was a major life line to Murat. 

You mean changed his story about GM walking down the steps...saying he looked like the man he had seen carrying a child?   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2013, 05:39:PM
yes thats what i mean.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 16, 2013, 05:57:PM
I don't know Nugs.  It takes 4 months for him to come out with that statement, yet he had seen Gerry carry a child in a similar way on the news over the last few months. 

In favour to Smith, he wanted no money for his stories, he wanted to be left alone...so why make the suggestion in the first place? He can't be 100% sure, he has said as much...but, incredibly he pointed the finger.

The trial of M.Bridger begins on the 29th.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 16, 2013, 09:43:PM
A mother's reflection. Its not hard to understand or to take a moment to read.  :'(

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9995377/Kate-McCann-Its-dreadful-living-with-this-void.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2013, 01:18:PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310279/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-Kate-says-forgive-Maddies-abductor.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 20, 2013, 07:52:AM
Maddie is dead, stop trying to fool yourselves that she still lives...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 20, 2013, 07:53:AM
Maddie is dead, stop trying to fool yourselves that she still lives...

She died on the day she went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 20, 2013, 07:55:AM
Amaral was right...

(1) - http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/

Maddie is dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2013, 06:06:PM
Maddie is dead, stop trying to fool yourselves that she still lives...

There is no proof she is dead Mike, this is why the family carry on their search. However, it is more likely that if she was taken for a reason then she would have died within 24 hours. I can't say one way or the other...I hold on to some faith that there could be a possibility that she is alive, having read about the Short case and Jacyee's.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 20, 2013, 06:12:PM
The problem is Madeleine was a lot younger and quite possibly if (and it's a big if) she's still alive she could be anywhere, speaking another language and not know she's missing. Its like looking for a needle in a haystack-literally.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2013, 06:20:PM
The problem is Madeleine was a lot younger and quite possibly if (and it's a big if) she's still alive she could be anywhere, speaking another language and not know she's missing. Its like looking for a needle in a haystack-literally.

You're right of course she was rather young, but that does not mean she can't remember her life with her family prior to being taken.  Mike could be right, maybe its me holding on! We don't know really. All we can do is guess.  :(

Hi by the way!  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 22, 2013, 05:08:PM
http://t.co/XE8Oesjt
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2013, 07:46:PM
does anybody think this case could be connected.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3306.0.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jane on April 29, 2013, 08:00:PM
You're right of course she was rather young, but that does not mean she can't remember her life with her family prior to being taken.  Mike could be right, maybe its me holding on! We don't know really. All we can do is guess.  :(

Hi by the way!  :) :) :) :)


I was told today that it wasn't uncommon for children to be taken from that area because of its close proximity to the Spanish boarder. Apparently both German and blond Spanish children had been taken but we only got to hear about Maddie because she was British.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2013, 08:56:PM
very intresting ill try and see if i can find any other cases.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 29, 2013, 10:09:PM
Look no further than the Casa Pia for children who've been abducted and swept into the web of child abuse. You'll find the Casa Pia if you google it.It's in Portugal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2013, 11:59:PM
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCasa_Pia_child_sexual_abuse_scandal&ei=sPp-Uc3NHY6T0QXgzIB4&usg=AFQjCNFsq83Ny3RXQC8FuwktKitAoZSZmg&sig2=iRiS5QzR6pqsHjGePK7WwA&bvm=bv.45645796,d.d2k&cad=rja

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-488654%2FWhy-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html&ei=aft-Ue_FDcLb0QXjr4CICw&usg=AFQjCNGabt6HgzUJZ8f2FjUAuoP_Yl_QoQ&sig2=rui9N54mRe1tU8lO_yGoDQ&bvm=bv.45645796,d.d2k&cad=rja
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2013, 10:31:PM
"Maddie, I know where you are, if I could return to Portugal I would help recover your body so that you can have a proper christian burial"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 03, 2013, 10:44:PM
Its Madeleine's birthday today...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 06, 2013, 02:21:PM
who bribed the police that's the question.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 06, 2013, 09:50:PM
When I went to Portugal, I was satisfied and confident that Maddie was buried in the grounds of the derelict building, I have not been back since, so I do not know if her remains, have been moved, elsewhere...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 06, 2013, 09:51:PM
When I went to Portugal, I was satisfied and confident that Maddie was buried in the grounds of the derelict building, I have not been back since, so I do noy know if her remains, have been moved, elsewhere...

In the interim period, Maddies remains could have been moved...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2013, 05:33:PM
does anybody know anything about george burke.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on May 08, 2013, 05:42:PM
does anybody know anything about george burke.

He claims to be a witness.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id399.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2013, 05:54:PM
so as far as i can see there were plenty of witneses to an abduction.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on May 08, 2013, 06:02:PM
It looks like the police didn't take this bloke seriously and I don't even know if they interviewed him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2013, 06:13:PM
what i cant understand is how jane tanner dident know what Madelene McCann looked like.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 08, 2013, 06:22:PM
what i cant understand is how jane tanner dident know what Madelene McCann looked like.

She could only see her legs nugs...she wasn't aware this could be Madeleine, it never crossed her mind.  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2013, 07:01:PM
are i see oh well you cant expect her to recognize someone from there feet.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 11, 2013, 02:48:PM
 Jane Tanner should volunteer to take a lie detector test, along with the other tapas 9 group members, to satisfy public conception of thier accounts...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 11, 2013, 03:45:PM
if everybody involved offers to take one then yes.

i wonder if mr malinka will take one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 11, 2013, 10:48:PM
if everybody involved offers to take one then yes.

i wonder if mr malinka will take one.


I bet Murat wouldn't.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 11, 2013, 11:06:PM
maybe someone should ask him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on May 12, 2013, 12:47:PM
are i see oh well you cant expect her to recognize someone from there feet.

Nug nug, with the greatest of respect, this is a lady who's memory improved with time and she then went onto be able to describe in detail the colour of the pj's and the pattern on them and the abductos clothes despite only seeing him walk past her at a distance in the dark and then said the 'orange' street light gave her the ability to recite the details. It seems very odd to me.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 12, 2013, 01:00:PM
now that is odd
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on May 12, 2013, 02:18:PM
Personal description:

* Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35 – 40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

** About the child whom appeared to be sleeping, she only saw her legs. The child appeared to be older than a baby. She was barefoot and was wearing what appeared to be cotton pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain.

As regards these details, she did not know what Madeleine was wearing at the moment of her disappearance, because she did not talk to anyone about this. As she concerns the man she saw, she only spoke to Gerald about this, not entering into details, and to the police.

When requested, she drew a sketch, which is joined to this statement.

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

I haven't C+P all of it but that site is really a good one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 15, 2013, 04:41:PM
so if thats true why dident she raise the alarm straight away.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 05:11:PM
Scotland Yard has handed the PJ a list of people of interest in hope that the PJ will investigate.  Over a hand full of people of interest has arisen and 195 potential leads pf enquiry.  Scotland Yard have said that the people of interest are already on the PJ files.   :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2013, 06:55:PM
The Ruski for starters.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 06:58:PM
The Ruski for starters.

Yep and a few more....wonder which side of town he is at????  :-\ :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2013, 07:05:PM
Yep and a few more....wonder which side of town he is at????  :-\ :D :D :D :D


Mr Legover. He's in the Ukraine isn't he.? After fleeing Portugal to here then Russia.
Symington.? If there's any blackmailing going on right now----------Murat and some of his associates.
Hewletts' wife. The black guy in the pics.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 07:09:PM

Mr Legover. He's in the Ukraine isn't he.? After fleeing Portugal to here then Russia.
Symington.? If there's any blackmailing going on right now----------Murat and some of his associates.
Hewletts' wife. The black guy in the pics.

He did come here, but I think you are right....Hewlett's wife deffo! And the Ocean club staff. Not to mention our dear chap who taught music who slept in the white van near the beach that night.  I think the pressure is on now....they will have to re-open the case.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2013, 07:35:PM
He did come here, but I think you are right....Hewlett's wife deffo! And the Ocean club staff. Not to mention our dear chap who taught music who slept in the white van near the beach that night.  I think the pressure is on now....they will have to re-open the case.  :) :) :) :)


Of course,,if they've definitely got new evidence,,which looks like it. Nothing like getting them altogether to squeeze them until their pips squeak,,as someone's bound to rumble someone else,,especially if the reward still stands. No honesty among thieves. Then of course it won't go to a crook will it,,or to anyone who's been witholding evidence.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 07:42:PM

Of course,,if they've definitely got new evidence,,which looks like it. Nothing like getting them altogether to squeeze them until their pips squeak,,as someone's bound to rumble someone else,,especially if the reward still stands. No honesty among thieves. Then of course it won't go to a crook will it,,or to anyone who's been witholding evidence.?

I'm still laughing over Legover...Lookout. Lol............ :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Someone knows something, its finding that someone who knows and I have every confidence in Scotland Yard to turn this upside down to find some answers.... :) :) :) :)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2013, 07:59:PM
I'm still laughing over Legover...Lookout. Lol............ :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Someone knows something, its finding that someone who knows and I have every confidence in Scotland Yard to turn this upside down to find some answers.... :) :) :) :)


I think he thought he was Gods' gift anyway,,,but I'd say he was in for a rude awakening. The Yard must have been working behind the scenes to come up with " suspects ". I hope they can name names soon,,then we can refresh ourselves looking at their form.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 08:17:PM

I think he thought he was Gods' gift anyway,,,but I'd say he was in for a rude awakening. The Yard must have been working behind the scenes to come up with " suspects ". I hope they can name names soon,,then we can refresh ourselves looking at their form.

I think we will find out if anyone gets taken in for questioning..Its been said that those who are people of interest are already in the PJ files...What about the one who scarpered from the Ocean Club?

There are three avenues Lookout. Two of them are overlooking the apartment and, the other has to be staff...I believe it was either a local or an holidaymaker.  Someone who had no transport, but familiar with the area....or lived local. Staff included.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2013, 08:36:PM
I think we will find out if anyone gets taken in for questioning..Its been said that those who are people of interest are already in the PJ files...What about the one who scarpered from the Ocean Club?

There are three avenues Lookout. Two of them are overlooking the apartment and, the other has to be staff...I believe it was either a local or an holidaymaker.  Someone who had no transport, but familiar with the area....or lived local. Staff included.  :) :) :) :)


Yes,,the Ocean club staff. One or two were swiftly transferred to other countries,,Greece for one of them,,then the nurse-maids,,one of which came here. I wonder if Murats' mother will be listed because she told lies. It'll certainly be interesting to see whose names appear.I'll have to dig out the Madeleine book and refresh my memory on the staff. Oh,,the gardener whose ex-wife was going out with Murat, what a crew.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2013, 08:46:PM
to be fair they could have been moved out for perfectly innocent reasons.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 08:47:PM

Yes,,the Ocean club staff. One or two were swiftly transferred to other countries,,Greece for one of them,,then the nurse-maids,,one of which came here. I wonder if Murats' mother will be listed because she told lies. It'll certainly be interesting to see whose names appear.I'll have to dig out the Madeleine book and refresh my memory on the staff. Oh,,the gardener whose ex-wife was going out with Murat, what a crew.

The pool man Lookout was the husband of Murat's girlfriend....Yes, one of the young girls, she was a nanny, she went to live near you....if memory serves me right. Surname begins with B??????
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 08:52:PM
to be fair they could have been moved out for perfectly innocent reasons.

Yes they could Nugs... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2013, 09:06:PM
to be fair they could have been moved out for perfectly innocent reasons.



Nugs,,because it was another bungled police case,,everyone came under suspicion. Much like the JB one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 09:29:PM


Nugs,,because it was another bungled police case,,everyone came under suspicion. Much like the JB one.

Diabolical..... :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 17, 2013, 09:37:PM
well i think amoral knew beating confessions out of people wouldn't work in this case and seeing as he does not seem to have known how to do much else, he was at a loss as how to bring a conclusion to the case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 17, 2013, 10:09:PM
well i think amoral knew beating confessions out of people wouldn't work in this case and seeing as he does not seem to have known how to do much else at a loss as how to bring a conclusion to the case.

Yes he and his crew were disgraced and he was relieved of his duties in the PJ..Shamed! He made money writing a book,,,yet he he wined and dined till the early hours whilst they sent two traffic control cops to apartment 5a.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2013, 12:59:AM
im really interested in his debts and who paid them off for him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 18, 2013, 09:11:AM
im really interested in his debts and who paid them off for him.



Nugs,,Amaral and his wife were ready to " part-company " because of the debts and also the prospect of losing their house,,but he wouldn't let go of his precious car all the same.
Money changed hands next morning of Madeleines' disappearance,from one PJ to another.Something like £125,000 was found in a bank account and the receipient of this " didn't know where it came from "!
This wasn't ever followed up,,as it looked like a " services rendered " payment.
Amaral wrote that book of lies in order to claw back some money to go towards his debts,,as he thought,,but in actual fact,,the McCanns sued him in court,for libel and slander and won their case,,so the monies went into the Madeleine fund.
When Amaral was given the push,,one or two others went with him for their incompetence in dealing or not dealing as the case may be,,with the case.
This was another trial by media.
I rather suspect,,,, that as soon as the abduction had taken place,,,that Amaral was thinking about his debts when he went straight to the press that morning, to 24houras,, with " his " side of the story where he'd immediately blamed the McCanns for the disappearance of their daughter. He'd have been paid substantially for that little gem.
Like the lies that JM said about Jeremy,in order to get a conviction.!
As you know,,,that cop was wholly responsible for telling the world that the parents drugged the children. That Madeleine had had an accident and the parents hid her body. That there was the childs' blood in the apartment and hired car. The accusations and fabrications were never ending.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on May 18, 2013, 11:32:AM
They are saying on the news here (Denmark) that there is some development in the case - but they do not elaborate.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 18, 2013, 11:37:AM
They are saying on the news here (Denmark) that there is some development in the case - but they do not elaborate.

Hi Alias :)

Scotland Yard has handed the PJ a list if people of interest and have got 195 new leads. Hopefully with this the PJ will re-open the case. Its been reported that the people of interest are already in the PJ files....so if this is true then those people will be questioned and the used in the process of elimination... :D :D :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on May 18, 2013, 01:52:PM
Hopefully this new development will silence a few of those, who insist that Kate and Gerry are responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 18, 2013, 02:07:PM
Hi Alias :)

Scotland Yard has handed the PJ a list if people of interest and have got 195 new leads. Hopefully with this the PJ will re-open the case. Its been reported that the people of interest are already in the PJ files....so if this is true then those people will be questioned and the used in the process of elimination... :D :D :D



Patti,,unless new evidence is found,,then the PJ's aren't prepared to re-open the case,as we have no jurisdiction over their laws,,so we can only hope that indeed any evidence hasn't been heard.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 18, 2013, 02:14:PM


Patti,,unless new evidence is found,,then the PJ's aren't prepared to re-open the case,as we have no jurisdiction over their laws,,so we can only hope that indeed any evidence hasn't been heard.

Yes, but lol  ;)

I feel they cannot dismiss the findings by the Yard totally, to do that would be irresponsible and show them in bad light. What they didn't do 6 years ago, they now have the perfect opportunity to put things right by re-opening the case. If they don't well shame on them.   :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 18, 2013, 10:36:PM
The latest news is,,,who went in the apartment to soothe Madeleine when she was heard crying.???
It's a process of elimination now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 18, 2013, 10:59:PM
The latest news is,,,who went in the apartment to soothe Madeleine when she was heard crying.???
It's a process of elimination now.


Also 6 British cleaners driving a white van. Remember a cleaning company,Patti.? They " were helping to look for Madeleine.".!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 18, 2013, 11:17:PM
The latest news is,,,who went in the apartment to soothe Madeleine when she was heard crying.???
It's a process of elimination now.

No one as far as I remember? But I see where you are coming from, not read the latest news as yet...

Can't remember the 6 cleaners....should I?  Awww I do remember the white van that was parked there but did that belong to the musician?

I've heard that the yard will be interviewing people of interest if they are from the UK....but they have no jurisdiction outside of that.  :-\ :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jaymo132 on May 19, 2013, 12:29:PM

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate,
contrived and dishonest — but the myth — persistent, persuasive and
unrealistic.
~John F. Kennedy

We await the latest developments with baited breath.
Scotland Yard must have something big and maybe
waiting for person/persons to make a move!!







Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on May 19, 2013, 01:05:PM
Hi Alias :)

Scotland Yard has handed the PJ a list if people of interest and have got 195 new leads. Hopefully with this the PJ will re-open the case. Its been reported that the people of interest are already in the PJ files....so if this is true then those people will be questioned and the used in the process of elimination... :D :D :D

Thanks Patti. This case needs to be solved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 19, 2013, 01:20:PM
Thanks Patti. This case needs to be solved.

I hope so Alias...Its getting the PJ to reopen the case thats the problem. As it stands at the moment they refuse to reopen it because there is no new evidence.  I did read mind you, that the Yard would be able to interview anyone from the UK who is a person of interest. You never know, someone somewhere might know something.  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 19, 2013, 02:13:PM
I hope so Alias...Its getting the PJ to reopen the case thats the problem. As it stands at the moment they refuse to reopen it because there is no new evidence.  I did read mind you, that the Yard would be able to interview anyone from the UK who is a person of interest. You never know, someone somewhere might know something.  :D :D :D :D


Patti,,the apartments above the McCanns were being sub-let at the time,,unbeknown to the British owner of them,,and it's said that whoever occupied the apartments ( above 5a ) had a vantage point from every direction that the McCanns went and also that the family had been watched from the moment they themselves occupied No5a. I would guess that these were " the cleaners " mostly Brits. They must have had a key,eh.? Or our friend Murat let them in being as he had keys.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 19, 2013, 02:45:PM

Patti,,the apartments above the McCanns were being sub-let at the time,,unbeknown to the British owner of them,,and it's said that whoever occupied the apartments ( above 5a ) had a vantage point from every direction that the McCanns went and also that the family had been watched from the moment they themselves occupied No5a. I would guess that these were " the cleaners " mostly Brits. They must have had a key,eh.? Or our friend Murat let them in being as he had keys.?

Mrs Pamela Fenn 20 August 2007
Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

Included in the files as a witness statement.

Being of British nationality and in spite of living in Portugal, does not have knowledge of the Portuguese language in its oral and written form, therefore a police interpreter is present, UEVE VAN LOOCK. Thus, according to the facts noted in the files, she says that she has lived in the apartment since 2003, which is located on the upper floor, immediately above the room from which the child disappeared.

She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.
As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.
That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the childs crying.
She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.
On the 3rd May she received a visit from her niece Carole during the morning, who said that when she was on her terrace she saw a male individual looking into the McCanns apartment, situation which has been told to the police, her family member even made a photo fit"
During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out ?we have let her down? which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.
She said that after the mothers shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when Gerry was speaking to a policeman and he refused to recognised the police force, saying that more agents of authority were needed to carry out the search.
When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCann apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late.

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.
She said that until that night she had never spoken to the McCann's, because up until the 3rd May, she only sometimes saw them walking in the street. She never saw them with any vehicle.
She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering.

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence.

Having read and approved the statement, she signs,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 19, 2013, 03:01:PM
Oooooh,Mrs Fenn could have been the one who went into the apartment to soothe Madeleine when the child was crying.
It was Mrs Fenn who had the break-in,,wasn't it.? That was strange.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 19, 2013, 03:05:PM
Lookout this statement is from the niece:  I can only show a bit of it...She visited the PFenn.

CT'Because it was what I saw first.

DC1485'yes.

CT'Humm... he was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short, not like mine but a little more, humm... but not like a footballer, do you know what I mean' A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'

DC1485'Could you give him an age'

CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this.

DC1485'And his aspect'

CT'It was clear, he was light-skinned, he had no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, nor bronzed from the sun, he was a light colour, not white, white but you know'humm..he was not one who was exposed to the sun.

DC1485'And when he walked, did he have any particular walk or limp'

CT'No, I never really noticed his gait as I only saw him leave the gate. He did not appear incapacitated, hum' he was merely ordinary looking, I did not really look at his walk.

DC1485'You told me he did not have tattoos; was he wearing any jewellery'

CT'No, I did not see any jewellery, no, no he did not have necklaces or rings and as far as I could tell, he did not have earrings.

DC1485'And his T-shirt, you spoke to me about his T-shirt, did it have an inscription'

CT'No, it was a common shirt, without inscriptions, it was light blue in colour, or grey, it could have been grey, mmm.

DC1485'And the T-shirt, did it have buttons or was it simply something that went up to the neck'

CT'No, it went up to the neck and had sleeves, short sleeves, but not straps, of this type, just short sleeves.

DC1485'Yes, and was it loose-fitting'

CT'No it was not snug, it was not loose, it was comfortable.

DC1485'Did it fit him loosely'

CT'It was big but not by much.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'It was simply common, the type of T-shirt one wears on Saturday.

DC1485'Yes, yes.

CT'With inscriptions or anything in general, mmm.

DC'And he was well-shaven'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Yes without a beard or did you notice anything else'

CT'No, nothing from what I remember, because he was very blonde.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'But if he had a beard, I would have seen it.

DC1485'Spectacles'

CT'No, he did not have sunglasses, nor did he wear spectacles.

DC1485'He did not use sunglasses'

CT'No.

DC1485'Okay, and for how long did you think you saw him'

CT'Well, humm... the time it takes to leave, shut the gate, look to the side, look to that side, a few seconds because he did not take very long to do this, I would say that it was for a minute or something like that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 19, 2013, 03:06:PM
Oooooh,Mrs Fenn could have been the one who went into the apartment to soothe Madeleine when the child was crying.
It was Mrs Fenn who had the break-in,,wasn't it.? That was strange.

Yes it was an attempted robbery, but she did not enter 5a....Where have you got that from?? :-\ :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on May 19, 2013, 04:38:PM
One night in a hotel in Turkey, a small child was crying for a length of time, and it got increasingly worse. after about twenty minutes of this, I just had to go and check on that child, so I went to the door and tried to talk to it. The mother came and seemed angry with me. Turned out she worked at the hotel and left her BABY son alone locked in the room....
Little kids should not be left unattended - ever! The Mcanns made a grave, grave error. Really cannot understand that, them being well educated people.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 19, 2013, 04:55:PM
One night in a hotel in Turkey, a small child was crying for a length of time, and it got increasingly worse. after about twenty minutes of this, I just had to go and check on that child, so I went to the door and tried to talk to it. The mother came and seemed angry with me. Turned out she worked at the hotel and left her BABY son alone locked in the room....
Little kids should not be left unattended - ever! The Mcanns made a grave, grave error. Really cannot understand that, them being well educated people.

Indeed they did Alias. A mistake they will have to live with, because they are both intelligent enough to know that those children should never have been left. They did and paid the ultimate price for it.  6 years on it is only now that KM has left her two remaining children in the car whilst paying for petrol....this has had a devastating effect on all concerned at least now KM can face the demons and leave her children even if its to pay for petrol....while still having them in view....this is normal, but KM has not found normality since the day M disappeared. 

I am surprised that PFenn did not go down to the apartment to see what was wrong like you yourself did....after hearing cries for well over an hour....I certainly would have seeked some sort of help for the child...

I remember being left at Butlins holiday camp...I was hysterical having woken up all alone, but families did do it then...and there was a babysitter, or watch person who was employed by Butlins to do this...I remember the person outside...can't remember if it was male or female, but they took the chalet number and announced over the tannoy that a child was awake....Mu mum must have thought I was safe, but in reality I wasn't....anything could have happened.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on May 19, 2013, 05:17:PM
Indeed they did Alias. A mistake they will have to live with, because they are both intelligent enough to know that those children should never have been left. They did and paid the ultimate price for it.  6 years on it is only now that KM has left her two remaining children in the car whilst paying for petrol....this has had a devastating effect on all concerned at least now KM can face the demons and leave her children even if its to pay for petrol....while still having them in view....this is normal, but KM has not found normality since the day M disappeared. 

I am surprised that PFenn did not go down to the apartment to see what was wrong like you yourself did....after hearing cries for well over an hour....I certainly would have seeked some sort of help for the child...


I remember being left at Butlins holiday camp...I was hysterical having woken up all alone, but families did do it then...and there was a babysitter, or watch person who was employed by Butlins to do this...I remember the person outside...can't remember if it was male or female, but they took the chalet number and announced over the tannoy that a child was awake....Mu mum must have thought I was safe, but in reality I wasn't....anything could have happened.  :) :) :) :)

I wish that more people would do that, don´t take anything for granted, meaning that the parents do have control.
Some years ago a little girl was murdered in the middle of the day - one block from where I was working, it was horrid! Turns out that a lady saw her being violently abducted - she assumed by her father, it was not her father! This girl could have been saved if that lady had reacted!!! So maddening.
I interfered on another occasion. Went shopping, and a baby in a pram outside a bub was crying, I went by; but when I returned from my shopping, the baby was STILL crying, so I went into the pub and asked who the baby belonged to. That mother was also angry with me... I don´t care, let them be mad!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 19, 2013, 05:46:PM
I wish that more people would do that, don´t take anything for granted, meaning that the parents do have control.
Some years ago a little girl was murdered in the middle of the day - one block from where I was working, it was horrid! Turns out that a lady saw her being violently abducted - she assumed by her father, it was not her father! This girl could have been saved if that lady had reacted!!! So maddening.
I interfered on another occasion. Went shopping, and a baby in a pram outside a bub was crying, I went by; but when I returned from my shopping, the baby was STILL crying, so I went into the pub and asked who the baby belonged to. That mother was also angry with me... I don´t care, let them be mad!

I agree Alias, so many hide behind closed doors these days and don't wish to get involved for fear of reprisals.  I was reading about a case yesterday where a young couples baby died. The baby had seen the nurse that morning and the nurse told the parents that the baby had a bad cold. Later that night the parents had a party and invited family and friends over. Ond of the partygoers changed and fed the baby and insisted to her mother after the baby had fitted to take it to hospital.  The parents left the baby till the next day and found it dead.  If only the person who had insisted, insisted more and the parents took some sort of responsibility then that poor little mite would be alive today. It was diagnosed that the baby had pneumonia and died of a natural death...but the couple involved were known to social services and the court has ruled they were indeed negligent and continued to party despite their child was ill.  This sort of thing sickens me.....  :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on May 19, 2013, 06:02:PM
I agree Alias, so many hide behind closed doors these days and don't wish to get involved for fear of reprisals.  I was reading about a case yesterday where a young couples baby died. The baby had seen the nurse that morning and the nurse told the parents that the baby had a bad cold. Later that night the parents had a party and invited family and friends over. Ond of the partygoers changed and fed the baby and insisted to her mother after the baby had fitted to take it to hospital.  The parents left the baby till the next day and found it dead.  If only the person who had insisted, insisted more and the parents took some sort of responsibility then that poor little mite would be alive today. It was diagnosed that the baby had pneumonia and died of a natural death...but the couple involved were known to social services and the court has ruled they were indeed negligent and continued to party despite their child was ill.  This sort of thing sickens me.....  :'(

Awww, poor little thing.  :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2013, 06:17:AM
Mike, at the door to apartment 5A, scene of the disappearence, and images taken by him, in a room of the derelict building, situated across the road of the church at PDL, Portugal:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2013, 06:22:AM
Other paranormal images, captured in photographs:-

(1) - Ghostly image of Sheila "Bambi" Caffell, visible in bloodied part palm print on page of bible, found at the scene, in the White house farm, murder / suicide case, 1985...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2013, 10:07:AM
I have always believed that the unoccupied apartment in the same block as the McCann contingent were staying in, may have played some role in MM's disappearence. Perhaps this is why Scotland Yard are now looking at identifying this team of casually empoyed cleaners know to be working in the area at the time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2013, 11:14:AM
I have always believed that the unoccupied apartment in the same block as the McCann contingent were staying in, may have played some role in MM's disappearence. Perhaps this is why Scotland Yard are now looking at identifying this team of casually empoyed cleaners know to be working in the area at the time...

Men seen loitering in the stairwell, and in the road could have been members of the casual cleaning gang, Scotland yard are now trying to trace. Clothing found by me in the derelict building fit the description given to one or men who were seen to be loitering around near the apartment block from where MM disappeared...

This clothing should be screened for presence of MM's DNA...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 12:21:AM
Men seen loitering in the stairwell, and in the road could have been members of the casual cleaning gang, Scotland yard are now trying to trace. Clothing found by me in the derelict building fit the description given to one or men who were seen to be loitering around near the apartment block from where MM disappeared...

This clothing should be screened for presence of MM's DNA...

Blue jeans, and dark blue kaghool...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 12:33:AM
(1) - http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post256725.html#p256725

On May 19, 2013 Express News UK shared shocking evidence in the search for Madeleine McCann -- but what does this evidence truly mean? It's been revealed that a mysterious "middle aged couple" entered the family's rental flat to check on a crying Maddie while Kate and Gerry were away at a tapas bar for the evening. If this latest update in the McCann saga proves true then it could mean any number of things and some of the avenues of speculation do not fall in favor of the girl's parents.

Scotland Yard is in search of this mysterious couple, because frankly this is the most shocking evidence to date in the search for the missing child. However, this middle aged couple could have been anyone from a stranger's point-of-view, and the witnesses who saw this couple were indeed strangers to the McCanns and their circle of friends. So is it at all possible that this middle aged couple came from that circle of buddies? If so, that would explain the group's refusal to participate in a reenactment, which would be important to the investigation.

On the other hand, this could truly be a break in the case that may potentially alleviate all suspicion way from Kate and Gerry. Officials in Portugal once authoritatively declared that there was never proof of a stranger abduction in Maddie's disappearance, so it's hard to believe that two strange people waltzed into the apartment and took one of the three young children. But it's still a possibility. This Emirates article shares the hope expressed by Scotland Yard that Maddie McCann may still be alive. However, after the better half of a decade gone that is also something difficult to envision. If this so called mystery couple knows that they are being sought by investigators, something bad might happen.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 05:57:AM
When Kate McCann returned to the tapas bar to alert all and sundry, she blurted out the immortal words, "They've taken her", amongst other things, as if she knew who had taken Maddie...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 06:00:AM
When Kate McCann returned to the tapas bar to alert all and sundry, she blurted out the immortal words, "They've taken her", amongst other things, as if she knew who had taken Maddie...

Who did Kate McCann mean, when she said, "They've taken her"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 06:05:AM
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Jane Tanner .......... how unlucky is she with all the co-incidences in the McCann case?

Jane Tanner and her partner Russell O'Brien were two of the .....for sake of a better description ..... Tapas 9.

 Jane came to prominence in the case in particular because she allegedly spotted Madeleine being carried away by a man just after Gerry McCann had done his check on the apartment.

 In fact in between Gerry doing his check and Kate discovering Madeleine was missing, Jane Tanner, her partner Russell and Matthew Oldfield another in the group, are the only other 3 who had left the table.

 So Jane was in the right place at the right time when she spotted 'Madeleine' being taken away. Her testimony however has been discredited by another witness who says it cant have happened the way she described.

 Then comes reports that both Tanner, her husband and Robert Murat were all in Exeter in the days before the holiday began.
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 06:22:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 06:28:AM
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Jane Tanner .......... how unlucky is she with all the co-incidences in the McCann case?

Jane Tanner and her partner Russell O'Brien were two of the .....for sake of a better description ..... Tapas 9.

 Jane came to prominence in the case in particular because she allegedly spotted Madeleine being carried away by a man just after Gerry McCann had done his check on the apartment.

 In fact in between Gerry doing his check and Kate discovering Madeleine was missing, Jane Tanner, her partner Russell and Matthew Oldfield another in the group, are the only other 3 who had left the table.

 So Jane was in the right place at the right time when she spotted 'Madeleine' being taken away. Her testimony however has been discredited by another witness who says it cant have happened the way she described.

 Then comes reports that both Tanner, her husband and Robert Murat were all in Exeter in the days before the holiday began.
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I found the denim jeans, and blue kaghool type jacket worn by this man, concealed inside the derelict building, across the road from the church at PDL, where I took ghostly image of Maddie alongside a single bed mattress on the floor in one of the rooms - and some sort of ground disturbance at the rear of the overgrown garden, that resembles a shallow grave:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 22, 2013, 08:42:AM
I'm going to speak up, because I can assure everybody that neither Kate, Gerry or their friends had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance. 

She was abducted by a monster that had no right to have entered the apartment and took her. 

Over the years I have read some awful things being said about this case, sometimes wicked things over the internet.  People especially blaming Madeleine's parents for her disappearance.  Well, we all know the children were left and to be honest this remark over the years has bored me to death. 

What about the monster that abductor her, its time this was addressed.

Many websites are spattered over the internet and many are put there by anti McCann's who make stories up about their beautiful daughter Madeleine and would have you believe that her parents had killed her and hidden her body.  Well, this sort of crap makes me feel sick inside.  She was taken, why people can't see this is beyond me.

There is absolutely no proof/evidence that Madeleine is dead or that her body is buried in PDL. I think to suggest this is hurtful to the McCann family, who have will never give up on their plight to find Madeliene.   :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 08:49:AM
We will have to wait and see - any idea who the chap in the denim jeans, and dark kaghool jacket is...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 08:58:AM
One thing everybody can be sure about is that MM isn't walking about freely in any country, city, town or village,  no-ones seen head nor tail of her for over six years. There is no evidence that she is still alive, if anybody knows anything different then please speak out. Of course mathematically speaking there is a 50% chance that she is still alive, and a 50% chance that she is not...

Stories which have been put about concerning the inconsistencies, ambiguities and contradictions in the timings of alleged events by tapas group members, entitles people to be suspicious...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 09:04:AM
I'm not entirely sure what the exact figures are, but in many abductions and murders, there's a very good chance that somebody who knew or knows the victim is responsible, so in this case, and because the McCanns and friends were together in Portugal, why shouldn't they fall under suspicion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 22, 2013, 09:16:AM
We will have to wait and see - any idea who the chap in the denim jeans, and dark kaghool jacket is...

Hi Mike :)

There is something about the workmen and clothing in the PJ files.  When Madeleine went missing workmen were in that area digging and repairing the drains.  They were asked not interviewed by the PJ on if they had seen anything in the holes that they had been digging. The foreman as we know it, said that they had seen nothing and if any of their holes had been filled in they would have noticed.  The workmen and that area were not looked at by the PJ they just took his word for it.

I will try and find it..... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 22, 2013, 09:20:AM
During the first days/weeks of April in Rua Direita together with Largo da Republica, the different necessary infrastructures were created such as : networks for domestic drains, water supply, public lighting and telephones. These actions took place over the course of about 30 days, following others that had been implemented along Rua Helena Nascimiento Baptista.

With regard to the month of May, and after the first days of the month, work was begun at Rua Direita, aiming at the installation of water pipes, telephones and public lighting. The technical space excavated which guaranteed the application of three types of infrastructure previously mentioned, had the following average dimensions : 1,20 metres deep by 0,90 metres long, it being certain during the excavation work that they were almost immediately covered with sand and earth.


When asked how the daily checking was done, with regard to security measures and the quality of the work carried out, the witness said there was nothing abnormal to point out, it was a work that had been carried out calmly and without any incidents.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 04:43:PM
Name him:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 04:43:PM
Name him, help solve the case:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2013, 06:56:PM
so Madeline died in the apartment how do we explain all these witness who say the saw an abduction are they all lying are they deluded or just mistaken.

why would all thse witneses say the saw an aduction if they dident see one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 22, 2013, 06:58:PM


Mike that is one of the camera crew.  :-\ :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 07:50:PM
Mike that is one of the camera crew.  :-\ :) :) :) :)

And his name please...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 22, 2013, 07:56:PM
And his name please...

Don't know his name Mike sorry.  :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 08:01:PM
How do you know he is one of the film crew, and simply not an associate of Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 22, 2013, 08:17:PM
How do you know he is one of the film crew, and simply not an associate of Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien?

Because the only time Jane, Russell and Gerry were filmed together is when they all went back to do some filming, some of it was done at night. I think it was arranged by the policeman they hired a couple of years ago.  I remember seeing the construction on television.  It might be on your tube??????  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2013, 08:23:PM
Because the only time Jane, Russell and Gerry were filmed together is when they all went back to do some filming, some of it was done at night. I think it was arranged by the policeman they hired a couple of years ago.  I remember seeing the construction on television.  It might be on your tube??????  :) :) :) :)

So, the chap could be an acquaintance of Jane Tanners, then? Do we know if this chap was known to be in Portugal on the night Maddie went missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 22, 2013, 08:32:PM
So, the chap could be an acquaintance of Jane Tanners, then? Do we know if this chap was known to be in Portugal on the night Maddie went missing?

I think it was on this one..Cutting Edge.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY

I don't know if he knew Jane Tanner or not other than he was there during to time of filming and I suspect he was part of the film/acting crew.

Where did you get the photo from Mike?  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2013, 12:22:PM
from watching that film i cant see what more evedence you need that there was an abduction.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2013, 12:29:PM
Where is the evidence that Jane Tanners daughter was ill that same evening MM went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2013, 02:42:PM
well there wouldent be any evedence unless the kid was ill enough to see a doctor.

if your children were ill and you had to stay in to look in to look after them could you provide any evedence to prove you had done.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2013, 06:32:AM
well there wouldent be any evedence unless the kid was ill enough to see a doctor.

if your children were ill and you had to stay in to look in to look after them could you provide any evedence to prove you had done.

OK, so why did Tanner wash and dispose of the sheets for the childs bed, is it because MM had been taken to her apartment temporarily before they took her body down to the coastline with a view to disposing of it there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2013, 02:47:PM
maybe the child been sick on or pissed on them that's the usually  reason you would through a childs bed clothes away,

if the child was ill jane tanner claimed she may well of been sick over the sheets.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2013, 10:48:AM
I would just like to report that during my search of the coastline, I found a pair of spectacles on a concrete ledge near to a manhole which dropped directly into the sea...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2013, 08:16:PM
does anybody know who owned the apartment the McCann wesre staying in
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 25, 2013, 09:05:PM
does anybody know who owned the apartment the McCann wesre staying in

Yes it was owned my a Mrs McCann....but of no relation. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2013, 10:11:PM
thats a strange coincidence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 25, 2013, 10:30:PM
thats a strange coincidence.

I thought that....but coincidences do happen.... :-\ ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 26, 2013, 02:34:PM
you wouldent some of the rubbish ive heard about this case over the years most of it seems to come from twwiter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 27, 2013, 06:58:PM
Lookout this is what I have seen, it wasn't a statement, I checked the files and there isn't one. So rightly so he can be interviewed.  :D :D :D :D

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedo-raymond-hewlett-admits-visiting-395741
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2013, 08:22:PM
was he there at the right time though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 27, 2013, 08:39:PM
was he there at the right time though.

Hi Nugs :)

Hewlett was camping in the area when Madeleine went missing and he claims he had frequented PDL often and boasted of knowing the layout of the OC well....

The link is about a couple who had been camping in Morocco who had befriended Hewlett and reported that he never stopped talking about Madeleine and that he knew she was not in Morocco, but laid the blame on Romanian Gypsies.....The couple in question where never interviewed by the PJ and Lookout is saying that in the daily mail yesterday Scotland Yard are interested in talking to the couple....I don't believe the couple were in PDL... ;) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2013, 09:32:PM
im not sure he fits the description though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on May 27, 2013, 10:39:PM
I think that Hewlett looks very much like Tanner's photofit. He's dead now isn't he? Shame,as I definately feel he was involved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 28, 2013, 01:04:PM
im not sure he fits the description though.

Not sure Nugs! He fit the photo fit of the male that knocked on doors and asked for a donation to the orphanage. But, on saying that there are many men with Mexican tashes... ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on May 28, 2013, 01:05:PM
I think that Hewlett looks very much like Tanner's photofit. He's dead now isn't he? Shame,as I definately feel he was involved.

Hi Tyler he knew something...me thinks!  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2013, 08:58:AM
Sleep, little angel, sleep...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2013, 08:59:AM
Sleep, little angel, sleep...

I know where you are,but no-one is listening...

I will not give upon you, hopefully, someone will take notice sooner or later...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2013, 09:02:AM
Message to Maddie - I still have the book I took from the church across from where your remains will eventually be found, I did not steal it, I borrowed it, intending to return it as soon as they come and recover you, little angel...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2013, 09:05:AM
Trust in god, little angel, the authorities are coming to recover you - it will be soon...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 01, 2013, 09:24:AM
Trust in god, little angel, the authorities are coming to recover you - it will be soon...

They are coming, little angel,they are coming, those who took you will have to face the wrath of god for taking you,and disposing of you in such a cruel way...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 15, 2013, 04:17:PM
Scotland Yard given the go ahead to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine and not before time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342030/Scotland-Yard-takes-inquiry-Maddies-disappearance-Portuguese-police-fail-make-breakthrough-years.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 15, 2013, 04:35:PM
i thought they allready where investigating.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 15, 2013, 05:50:PM
i thought they allready where investigating.

Hi Nugs :)

They were ???? But since they have found 20 suspects and various leads in their initial inquiry the Portuguese refuse to reopen the case due no new evidence.  Scotland Yard appealed to the home secretary to continue their investigation based on what they had found.  To have just left it at that would not have solved anything.  So with permission and funding Scotland Yard can  investigate further and hopefully find  new evidence. If new evidence is found then under Portuguese law they will have to reopen the case.   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 15, 2013, 09:13:PM
Hi Nugs :)

They were ???? But since they have found 20 suspects and various leads in their initial inquiry the Portuguese refuse to reopen the case due no new evidence.  Scotland Yard appealed to the home secretary to continue their investigation based on what they had found.  To have just left it at that would not have solved anything.  So with permission and funding Scotland Yard can  investigate further and hopefully find  new evidence. If new evidence is found then under Portuguese law they will have to reopen the case.   ;D ;D ;D ;D







Lord above,,I've been debating with about 20 people who are all anti McCann and it was hard going trying to convince them that the parents weren't involved in the childs' disappearance. Some joker on there called me a retard,,I bloody hate that word.Anyway,I hope something comes of this now as it's being funded by the Home Office,,so they'll be on the ball to see how the funds are spent.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 15, 2013, 10:19:PM
the worst place to debate this case is twitter.

both sides are completely insane.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 15, 2013, 10:21:PM






Lord above,,I've been debating with about 20 people who are all anti McCann and it was hard going trying to convince them that the parents weren't involved in the childs' disappearance. Some joker on there called me a retard,,I bloody hate that word.Anyway,I hope something comes of this now as it's being funded by the Home Office,,so they'll be on the ball to see how the funds are spent.

probenly one of bennits mob.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 16, 2013, 11:45:AM
probenly one of bennits mob.




No doubt,nugs.There are plenty of them.It was on the Yahoo news headlines debate.Trolls,,with nothing between their ears.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 16, 2013, 12:20:PM
tony bennit that is not tiim bennit.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on June 16, 2013, 01:55:PM






Lord above,,I've been debating with about 20 people who are all anti McCann and it was hard going trying to convince them that the parents weren't involved in the childs' disappearance. Some joker on there called me a retard,,I bloody hate that word.Anyway,I hope something comes of this now as it's being funded by the Home Office,,so they'll be on the ball to see how the funds are spent.

This is the only case I know where everyone appears to either be pro or anti the Mccann's. I had a conversation the other day with someone of the opposite opinion to me, they're better at debating than me and even they said it was 'cut throat' and there doesn't seem to be any middle ground, people's opinions are either one way or the other and there isn't anyone who I know who has changed their minds over this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 16, 2013, 02:10:PM
well i think treating the mcanns as suspects is fair enough but declaring them guilty of murder is another thing entirely.

but youve got people going around the net decliaring them 100%guilty of crime they have never been convicted of and abuseing anybody who dares to suggest they might not be.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2013, 10:00:PM
Something of interest was discovered by me, whilst in Portugal looking into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 30, 2013, 06:52:AM
It may be nothing but at one stage I was down in the vicinity of the view point near to the church (derelect building No.5 across the road, yet unexplored by myself at that stage), checking for the location of drains and manhole covers in the immediate vicinity, both there and below along the rocky sea shore. I discovered one such manhole cover situated in a very awkward position on a ledge which was accessible with care. Upon looking along the ledge I realized that it might be possible for someone to walk along the ledge to where the manhole cover in question was located. Whether or not anyone would have been either brave enough or foolish enough to attempt to walk along that ledge carrying the body of a small child is another thing, but my attention was drawn to this man hole cover situated there. I took photographs in the vicinity around that time, including the man hole cover in question. Anyway, taking my life in my own hands I tentatively decided to see if I could get to the man hole cover on the aforementioned ledge, go beyond it, turn around and come back...

It was a long drop to the rocks and sea below...

Anyway, as I was inching along the ledge, thinking to myself that if anyone along the coastline could see me I wondered if they might think I was going to jump off to the rocks below and do myself some serious harm. It was then that I noticed them, a pair of heavily framed sunglasses, nestling on the ledge a yard or so from the man hole cover. Upon seeing them I paused and thought how strange that a pair of glasses (in perfectly good order and working condition) should have been deposited there on the ledge close to the man hole cover of interest. I decided to stop walking and took in the view ahead of me, above me and below me. I asked myself how this pair of glasses could have ended up there on this ledge, surely no one had been walking along this narrow ledge whilst wearing them? Whilst standing there and contemplating the ins and outs of how this pair of glasses had ended up there on the ledge, it suddenly dawned on me, that although I had shuffled several feet along the ledge, I would either have to turn around on this narrow ledge to come back to the safety of the lower teared view point, or shuffle backwards on the ledge high above the rocks below, and the sea. At that stage I was having second thoughts about going any further along the ledge towards the man hole cover, but the sighting of the pair of glasses laying on the ledge close to the circular manhole cover intrigued me so much I instinctively decided to proceed towards them. I inched myself forward after succeeding in turning myself around in full circle, onward towards this pair of glasses...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 01, 2013, 03:30:PM
there seems to be a whole disinfo industry around this case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2013, 08:07:PM
A number of features led to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from apartment 5A - I have managed to get access via a third party to the enigma cipher, which produces clues with pinpoint accuracy. I am now in a very strong position to reveal to the world exactly why Madeleine went missing and vanished off the face of the earth...

Enigma is very seldom wrong...

I know what happened, and why it happened, it was an inside job, and Maddie is dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 04, 2013, 08:29:PM
A friend of mine has a theory that she was thrown into the sea hidden in the fridge with rope (or belts or something to stop the door opening). I keep an open mind.

Can you tell us more Mike?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 04, 2013, 08:37:PM
A friend of mine has a theory that she was thrown into the sea hidden in the fridge with rope (or belts or something to stop the door opening). I keep an open mind.

Can you tell us more Mike?
Blimey! That's a bit bizarre. How has your friend come to that conclusion Jo?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 04, 2013, 08:41:PM
I think he's a bit excentric, however, its rumoured (I can't back it up) the Mccanns did replace either a fridge or freezer from an apartment they stayed at when they were arguidos.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on July 04, 2013, 08:47:PM
I think he's a bit excentric, however, its rumoured (I can't back it up) the Mccanns did replace either a fridge or freezer from an apartment they stayed at when they were arguidos.
;D. More like stark raving bonkers! No offence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 04, 2013, 09:10:PM
None taken  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2013, 11:53:PM
The Enigma cipher clues produced as part of the current police investigation, narrow it down to an incident which occurred at apartment 5A on the evening before Madeleine went missing. Police now know that a mystery couple entered the apartment and are suspected of carrying out some sort of an assault on the victim, which appears to have been very distressing for her - by the time her parents returned from the tapas bar, Madeleine was fast a sleep, possibly drugged by the visitors, but was so disturbed by what had occurred that she mentioned it to Kate McCann on the following day...

Enigma throws up the likelihood that Madeleine's disappearance on the following evening is linked to the earlier incident the evening before, involving a mysterious British couple who entered apartment 5A whilst the McCann parents were enjoying themselves at the nearby tapas bar. The new police inquiry has identified new witness evidence believed to confirm that a British speaking couple entered the apartment, as described, and that they may have assaulted Madeleine in some way.  Enigma throws Jane Tanner into the fray, along with...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2013, 11:58:PM
The Enigma cipher clues produced as part of the current police investigation, narrow it down to an incident which occurred at apartment 5A on the evening before Madeleine went missing. Police now know that a mystery couple entered the apartment and are suspected of carrying out some sort of an assault on the victim, which appears to have been very distressing for her - by the time her parents returned from the tapas bar, Madeleine was fast a sleep, possibly drugged by the visitors, but was so disturbed by what had occurred that she mentioned it to Kate McCann on the following day...

Enigma throws up the likelihood that Madeleine's disappearance on the following evening is linked to the earlier incident the evening before, involving a mysterious British couple who entered apartment 5A whilst the McCann parents were enjoying themselves at the nearby tapas bar. The new police inquiry has identified new witness evidence believed to confirm that a British speaking couple entered the apartment, as described, and that they may have assaulted Madeleine in some way.  Enigma throws Jane Tanner into the fray, along with...

David Payne...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2013, 12:07:AM
Were Jayne Tanner and David Payne the British speaking couple who entered apartment 5A whilst the McCann Parents were drinking at the tapas bar, on the eve'of Madeleine's disappearance. Enigma concludes that the couple in question is likely to have been Tanner and Payne...

What is intriguing about this is that on the actual evening of Madeleine's disappearance, Tanner and Payne were both conspicuously absent (again) from the tapas bar at crucial moments when Madeleine was taken out of apartment 5A...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2013, 12:20:AM
Were Jayne Tanner and David Payne the British speaking couple who entered apartment 5A whilst the McCann Parents were drinking at the tapas bar, on the eve'of Madeleine's disappearance. Enigma concludes that the couple in question is likely to have been Tanner and Payne...

What is intriguing about this is that on the actual evening of Madeleine's disappearance, Tanner and Payne were both conspicuously absent (again) from the tapas bar at crucial moments when Madeleine was taken out of apartment 5A...

(1) - http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2013, 12:45:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 05, 2013, 08:26:AM
Wasn't there also a complaint made about the behaviour or DP on a previous holiday by another couple (who weren't in PdL)? I think they were called Mr and Mrs Gasper.
And also didn't Gerry sent David Payne to 'check' on Kate or something to see if the kids were going back out but Kate said they were too tired, DP says he was ther 10 minutes or something but Kate Mccann said baout 30 seconds?
It does make sense what you're saying and I've heard something similar (but no the same) on another forum.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 05, 2013, 01:23:PM
It was stated on the news that none of the " Tapas " friends are involved in any way.
There are three men who are mirror images of that pic. An ex-pat,a Russian and a British/Portuguese.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 05, 2013, 02:02:PM
my main suspect is still the dodgy russian.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2013, 04:31:PM
It was stated on the news that none of the " Tapas " friends are involved in any way.
There are three men who are mirror images of that pic. An ex-pat,a Russian and a British/Portuguese.

Sounds like the police have got it all sorted then - I personally now go for Tanner, Payne and O'Brien, in the mix...

Lets wait and see what pans out...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2013, 04:41:PM
Enigma threw up a possibility that a couple took offence at the table arrangements in the tapas bar, which favoured the tapas 9 group, and that they might be responsible for Maddies disappearance, but it rated this outcome at 20%. A whopping 43% likelihood that Tanner and Payne played some role in the matter, another 14% risk of involvement by O'Brien, 15% risk of McCann parents having had something to do with it, and a 4% risk of Maddie having been abducted by pedophiles...

These figures shocked me because I thought the Parents would be prime suspects (according to Enigma, they rated only a 15% risk of involvement)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on July 05, 2013, 06:37:PM
I still believe that Murat and Malinka factor in all this somehow.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 05, 2013, 06:51:PM
i am almost certan that they do.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 05, 2013, 07:30:PM
I still believe that Murat and Malinka factor in all this somehow.



Yes,tyler.Murat,Malinka and Symington.
All involved with boats.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2013, 05:28:AM
Enigma threw up a possibility that a couple took offence at the table arrangements in the tapas bar, which favoured the tapas 9 group, and that they might be responsible for Maddies disappearance, but it rated this outcome at 20%. A whopping 43% likelihood that Tanner and Payne played some role in the matter, another 14% risk of involvement by O'Brien, 15% risk of McCann parents having had something to do with it, and a 4% risk of Maddie having been abducted by pedophiles...

These figures shocked me because I thought the Parents would be prime suspects (according to Enigma, they rated only a 15% risk of involvement)...

The day after whatever it was that was so distressing for Maddie, visited in apartment 5A by a british speaking couple whilst parents were out wining and dining at the tapas bar, Madeleine asked her mummy why she didn't come when she had been crying on the evening beforehand - in her book, Kate refers to mentioning it to other members of the group on the evening of Maddies disappearance, which could have been the trigger which sparked off the incident of the abduction. If true, then the too-ing and fro-ing of certain group members between apartments and the tapas restaurant bar on the evening of Maddies disappearance becomes highly relevant...

It may well be that by Kate revealing to the other members of the group on the evening of the disappearance, that Maddie had mentioned something had upset her the previous night in apartment 5A, which had caused Madeleine to cry, calling out for her mummy, set into motion the events which took place between around 9:05pm and 10pm, on evening of 3rd May. If so, it seems highly likely that at least one member of the tapas group, or two, possibly three, played some role in taking Madeleine out of apartment 5A - careful study and analysis of the now known facts throws David Payne, Jayne Tanner, and Russell O'Brien into the frame, since it is activity carried out by these individuals during the relevant period and beyond, which leaps out at you on a study of facts linked or associated with the group...

If the parents (15% risk) had nothing to do directly with Maddies disappearance from apartment 5A that evening, and there was no involvement of pedophile or abduction of child for sale in the disappearance  (4% risk), and it involved someone from within the group, Payne, Tanner (40% risk) and her partner O'Brien, become prime suspects, because one or more were away from the tapas bar during the relevant period between 9:05 and 10pm on 3rd May...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 06, 2013, 08:12:AM
Wasn't one of them ill for a short time and didn't join them at the tapas (it MAY be MO), could they be involved at all?
I'd be very suprised if the parents weren't involved.
The picture of DP, wow, the similarity is frightning.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 06, 2013, 10:36:AM
Wasn't one of them ill for a short time and didn't join them at the tapas (it MAY be MO), could they be involved at all?
I'd be very suprised if the parents weren't involved.
The picture of DP, wow, the similarity is frightning.
I cannot believe that two educated and intelligent people would kill their child....why? If it was an accident surely they had enough professional status to ride it out? I cannot believe they would have thrown her body away like that, it doesnt make sense, dont know too much about the case but I fear she was taken by a paedophile and died within a few hours. It was a
favourite haunt for such people I believe??
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 06, 2013, 11:01:AM
Maggie,
I've never yet come across an unintelligent murderer. Harold Shipman, Fred West, Susan Smith to name a few. Perhaps it was an accident that happened when they were out and they found her dead, it would open so many questions and wreck their livelyhood at an instant.
The abduction theory never bode wll for me because there was never any evidence (that I saw) of an intruder and if the checks were being done as they stated, it would imply so much 'traffic' between the flats and the tapas, it wouldn't be viable. I don't understnad why they thought the arrangement was safe-to leave them home alone. Its one of those cases we may never get to the bottom of but I hope we do for Madeleine's sake.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 06, 2013, 11:19:AM
mark Bridger dont sound to bright neither does Ian Huntley.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 06, 2013, 02:28:PM
Joanne
That was the culture particularly among middle class parents. Rightly or wrongly it was accepted behaviour to leave your children sleeping in much the way they did.
I find it impossible to believe they were both capable of cold blooded murder and fail to see the connection with the likes of numerous serial killers such as Harold Shipman et al. I can appreciate there is a possibility of an accident but I fail to believe that both would have reacted in such a way. They were both doctors, therefore people of professional standing and therefore in a better social position to explain and be believed about an accident than others. It just doesnt make any sense imo.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 06, 2013, 04:37:PM
the theory that the mcanns druged there children falls down on one thing a drugs overdose would be more likely to kill the youngest child than the oldest.

and i cant see 2 qualified doctors getting the dose wrong anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 06, 2013, 05:42:PM
Hello Maggie

whilst I think the McCanns were very wrong to leave their children alone for any length of time I do not think for one moment they had anything to do with little Maddie's disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Caroline R on July 06, 2013, 06:18:PM
Maggie,
I've never yet come across an unintelligent murderer. Harold Shipman, Fred West, Susan Smith to name a few. Perhaps it was an accident that happened when they were out and they found her dead, it would open so many questions and wreck their livelyhood at an instant.
The abduction theory never bode wll for me because there was never any evidence (that I saw) of an intruder and if the checks were being done as they stated, it would imply so much 'traffic' between the flats and the tapas, it wouldn't be viable. I don't understnad why they thought the arrangement was safe-to leave them home alone. Its one of those cases we may never get to the bottom of but I hope we do for Madeleine's sake.

Hi Joanne - Could Fred West be described as intelligent? He had learning difficulties which was why he had to have an 'Appropriate Adult' to sit in when interviewed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 06, 2013, 06:32:PM
Good point Caroline.
I think to carry out several murders, bury his victims in his garden and cellar without the neigbours seeing it and hold a job down-I think he did building/repair work, I believe he did have a level of intellegence about him.
In the case of Shannon matthews I think the judge made a comment about Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan, said he wondered whether they had help because neither of them appeared clever enough to carry out the crime alone.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on July 06, 2013, 06:47:PM
Hello Maggie

whilst I think the McCanns were very wrong to leave their children alone for any length of time I do not think for one moment they had anything to do with little Maddie's disappearance.
Hi susie  ;D I agree it was wrong but it was common practice , I dont believe there was anything sinister in it. ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on July 06, 2013, 06:51:PM
Maggie would I be right in thinking you could be prosecuted in this Country for leaving a child home alone under the age of 14 I think.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Caroline R on July 06, 2013, 07:32:PM
In the case of Shannon matthews I think the judge made a comment about Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan, said he wondered whether they had help because neither of them appeared clever enough to carry out the crime alone.

They didn't appear clever enough to tie their own shoe laces!! 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 06, 2013, 09:49:PM
Hi All

I would think that in the Shannon M case that they weren't intelligent enough that is why the plot failed..I mean what were they going to do with the poor child in the end?????  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on July 06, 2013, 11:58:PM
Personally,I haven't ruled out the idea that "some" close to the Mccanns were part of a paedophile ring with links with Murat/Malinka.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2013, 09:17:AM
Photographs taken by me showing view from landing outside apartment 6 (where I was staying) looking across in the direction of 5A (scene of Madeleine's disappearance):-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2013, 10:33:AM
I do not buy into the man carrying child scenario introduced by Jayne Tanner - any abductor with wits about him, would not have turned right out of the car park at the back of apartment 5A and risk being seen by somebody returning from the exit / entrance of the ocean club reception. Surely, if such an abductor carried off Maddie via the rear bedroom shuttered window or the road side door, he would have turned left out of the aforementioned car park, and gone up hill, rather than turn right and go downhill, so as to dramatically reduce the possibility of being seen, or caught red handed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2013, 02:05:PM
It may be nothing but at one stage I was down in the vicinity of the view point near to the church (derelect building No.5 across the road, yet unexplored by myself at that stage), checking for the location of drains and manhole covers in the immediate vicinity, both there and below along the rocky sea shore. I discovered one such manhole cover situated in a very awkward position on a ledge which was accessible with care. Upon looking along the ledge I realized that it might be possible for someone to walk along the ledge to where the manhole cover in question was located. Whether or not anyone would have been either brave enough or foolish enough to attempt to walk along that ledge carrying the body of a small child is another thing, but my attention was drawn to this man hole cover situated there. I took photographs in the vicinity around that time, including the man hole cover in question. Anyway, taking my life in my own hands I tentatively decided to see if I could get to the man hole cover on the aforementioned ledge, go beyond it, turn around and come back...

It was a long drop to the rocks and sea below...

Anyway, as I was inching along the ledge, thinking to myself that if anyone along the coastline could see me I wondered if they might think I was going to jump off to the rocks below and do myself some serious harm. It was then that I noticed them, a pair of heavily framed sunglasses, nestling on the ledge a yard or so from the man hole cover. Upon seeing them I paused and thought how strange that a pair of glasses (in perfectly good order and working condition) should have been deposited there on the ledge close to the man hole cover of interest. I decided to stop walking and took in the view ahead of me, above me and below me. I asked myself how this pair of glasses could have ended up there on this ledge, surely no one had been walking along this narrow ledge whilst wearing them? Whilst standing there and contemplating the ins and outs of how this pair of glasses had ended up there on the ledge, it suddenly dawned on me, that although I had shuffled several feet along the ledge, I would either have to turn around on this narrow ledge to come back to the safety of the lower teared view point, or shuffle backwards on the ledge high above the rocks below, and the sea. At that stage I was having second thoughts about going any further along the ledge towards the man hole cover, but the sighting of the pair of glasses laying on the ledge close to the circular manhole cover intrigued me so much I instinctively decided to proceed towards them. I inched myself forward after succeeding in turning myself around in full circle, onward towards this pair of glasses...

Prior to engaging in this precarious activity I had discovered a wallet on a nearby ledge with documents identifying the person it belonged to as:-

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2013, 02:22:PM
Which member of the tapas group did the wallet with documents inside it, belong to?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2013, 06:03:PM
The day after whatever it was that was so distressing for Maddie, visited in apartment 5A by a british speaking couple whilst parents were out wining and dining at the tapas bar, Madeleine asked her mummy why she didn't come when she had been crying on the evening beforehand - in her book, Kate refers to mentioning it to other members of the group on the evening of Maddies disappearance, which could have been the trigger which sparked off the incident of the abduction. If true, then the too-ing and fro-ing of certain group members between apartments and the tapas restaurant bar on the evening of Maddies disappearance becomes highly relevant...

It may well be that by Kate revealing to the other members of the group on the evening of the disappearance, that Maddie had mentioned something had upset her the previous night in apartment 5A, which had caused Madeleine to cry, calling out for her mummy, set into motion the events which took place between around 9:05pm and 10pm, on evening of 3rd May. If so, it seems highly likely that at least one member of the tapas group, or two, possibly three, played some role in taking Madeleine out of apartment 5A - careful study and analysis of the now known facts throws David Payne, Jayne Tanner, and Russell O'Brien into the frame, since it is activity carried out by these individuals during the relevant period and beyond, which leaps out at you on a study of facts linked or associated with the group...

If the parents (15% risk) had nothing to do directly with Maddies disappearance from apartment 5A that evening, and there was no involvement of pedophile or abduction of child for sale in the disappearance  (4% risk), and it involved someone from within the group, Payne, Tanner (40% risk) and her partner O'Brien, become prime suspects, because one or more were away from the tapas bar during the relevant period between 9:05 and 10pm on 3rd May...

Here is a view of the precarious ledge I have been speaking about, I took the photographs myself:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 07, 2013, 06:11:PM
Eye witnesses mention the sighting of a white coloured van parked in the road outside apartment block 5, this is likely to have been a maintenance van, as photographed by myself, in 2010:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2013, 06:06:AM
Eye witnesses mention the sighting of a white coloured van parked in the road outside apartment block 5, this is likely to have been a maintenance van, as photographed by myself, in 2010:-

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 08, 2013, 10:37:AM
That child had been " watched " the moment they all landed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 10, 2013, 01:03:PM
if thats true that means someone was expecting them.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 10, 2013, 04:32:PM
if thats true that means someone was expecting them.





Somebody with access to the visitors book/information at the reception area,nugs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 10, 2013, 04:50:PM
hmm and who could that be i wonder.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2013, 09:33:PM
Parents who went to tapas restaurant on evening Maddie went missing from Apartment 5A, would have been conscious of the possibility that their children needed to be checked on frequently, and with this in mind, when Tanner claims she saw a man carrying a child in his arms crossing the top of the road, walking from the general direction of her apartment, she would have automatically suspected the child might have been her own, or one of the other children belonging to other parents in the group...

I believe Tanner has lied...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2013, 09:34:PM
Parents who went to tapas restaurant on evening Maddie went missing from Apartment 5A, would have been conscious of the possibility that their children needed to be checked on frequently, and with this in mind, when Tanner claims she saw a man carrying a child in his arms crossing the top of the road, walking from the general direction of her apartment, she would have automatically suspected the child might have been her own, or one of the other children belonging to other parents in the group...

I believe Tanner has lied...

If she is telling the truth about what she claimed she saw, why isn't she volunteering to take a lie detector test?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2013, 09:39:PM
Tanner leaves tapas bar at around 9:15pm, sees the man carrying the child across the junction at the top of the road, she is away from the tapas for at least 45 minutes, until Kate returns to Apartment 5A and discovers Maddie to be missing...

Exactly what was Tanner doing during for those 45 minutes, once she allegedly got back to her apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2013, 09:41:PM
Bedroom window and shutter were not open when Kate arrived at Apartment 5A at around 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2013, 09:49:PM
Bedroom window and shutter were not open when Kate arrived at Apartment 5A at around 10pm...

Bedroom window and shutter was not opened for over 45 minutes after Tanner returned to her apartment, and man she claims she saw carrying off a child in his arm at around 9:15pm, could not possibly have been an abductor carrying off Maddie at that time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 07:19:AM
Bedroom window and shutter was not opened for over 45 minutes after Tanner returned to her apartment, and man she claims she saw carrying off a child in his arm at around 9:15pm, could not possibly have been an abductor carrying off Maddie at that time...

Unless...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 07:23:AM
Unless...

When Kate returned to Apartment 5A, at 10pm, the abductor had returned intending to take a second child, but was disturbed by Kates arrival back at the apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 08:11:AM
Bedroom window and shutter were not open when Kate arrived at Apartment 5A at around 10pm...

This can be proven by conducting a simple experiment with the doors and bedroom window / shutter of Apartment 5A - three doors being the patio door, the bedroom door, and the road side door...

I carried out a similar experiment in our apartment situated in block 6, room 6A, during my trip to PDL. What I did was make sure the three corresponding doors aforementioned were closed in our apartment, and that the steel shutter was locked and the corresponding bedroom window closed. I then slid open the patio door, nothing happened, so I closed it again. I then opened the bedroom door and left it slightly ajar, before returning to the patio door to open it again. Nothing happened, so I closed the patio door. I then went into the bedroom, raised the steel shutter and fully opened the sliding window, pulled the curtains across the window, exited the bedroom leaving the bedroom door slightly ajar, went back to the sliding patio door, and opened it - nothing happened, by that I mean that the bedroom door I had left slightly ajar did not slam shut. I left the patio door open and went towards the bedroom door which had been left slightly ajar and pushed it open and entered the bedroom. I did no see any movement of the curtain at the bedroom window. I then turned around leaving the bedroom and reset the door...

I stood there in front of the bedroom door which was still slightly ajar, thinking what to do next...

I walked up to the bedroom door again as though I was about to enter but stopped short of actually going in, or touching the door in question, at all. At this stage I had my back to the patio door, and could not see the road side door on the opposite side of the Apartment. I turned myself around so that I was facing toward the open patio door, and stood there a few moments, with the bedroom door behind me, itself left slightly ajar. I paused a few moments, listening, thinking...

I then turned towards the road side door, intending to go and open it...

At this time, the patio door was open, the bedroom door was still left ajar, the bedroom window was open, the steel shutter of that particular window was raised up - I strode towards the roadside door and very quickly opened it...

Whoooooosh, bang the bedroom door slammed shut...

Leaving the road side door open, I returned to the bedroom door which was now fully closed. At this time the patio door was open, the road side door was open, and to the best of my knowledge the bedroom window was still open and its shutter raised up...

I quickly opened the closed bedroom door, and as I did so the curtain at the window started to move violently and pulled itself open, leaving the open bedroom window exposed to view. I stepped inside the bedroom and closed the door behind me, and the movement of the curtain ceased, it was not moving as though it was being blown by the wind. I half turned and slowly opened the bedroom door again,which generated a draft that started to make the curtain at the bedroom window flutter. I walked out of the bedroom closing the door behind me and I went to close the road side door, then returned to the bedroom door and opened it. I was conscious of the fact that there was not the rush of air as there was with both patio door, road side door and bedroom window opened. I re-entered the bedroom, with bedroom door ajar, neither the bedroom door, nor the curtains at the bedroom window moved...

Standing there, pondering what to do next, trying to fathom out what significance if anything any of this could mean...

I left the bedroom, closing the bedroom door behind me. I then went to close the sliding patio door, then I returned to the opposite side of the Apartment and re-opened the roadside door, before going back to the bedroom door and opening it - nothing happened. Turning around, I went back to the patio door and slid it open. Upon doing so the bedroom door slammed shut, and I was aware of a slight rushing of breeze in the room created at that stage, which I have since referred to as a vacuum...

I closed the patio door, went to close the road side door, went into the bedroom and closed the bedroom window...

I believed at that point I had discovered something of importance about the circumstances surrounding the discovery by Kate McCann of Maddie having been taken from the bedroom in Apartment 5A - at around 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 08:21:AM
This can be proven by conducting a simple experiment with the doors and bedroom window / shutter of Apartment 5A - three doors being the patio door, the bedroom door, and the road side door...

I carried out a similar experiment in our apartment situated in block 6, room 6A, during my trip to PDL. What I did was make sure the three corresponding doors aforementioned were closed in our apartment, and that the steel shutter was locked and the corresponding bedroom window closed. I then slid open the patio door, nothing happened, so I closed it again. I then opened the bedroom door and left it slightly ajar, before returning to the patio door to open it again. Nothing happened, so I closed the patio door. I then went into the bedroom, raised the steel shutter and fully opened the sliding window, pulled the curtains across the window, exited the bedroom leaving the bedroom door slightly ajar, went back to the sliding patio door, and opened it - nothing happened, by that I mean that the bedroom door I had left slightly ajar did not slam shut. I left the patio door open and went towards the bedroom door which had been left slightly ajar and pushed it open and entered the bedroom. I did no see any movement of the curtain at the bedroom window. I then turned around leaving the bedroom and reset the door...

I stood there in front of the bedroom door which was still slightly ajar, thinking what to do next...

I walked up to the bedroom door again as though I was about to enter but stopped short of actually going in, or touching the door in question, at all. At this stage I had my back to the patio door, and could not see the road side door on the opposite side of the Apartment. I turned myself around so that I was facing toward the open patio door, and stood there a few moments, with the bedroom door behind me, itself left slightly ajar. I paused a few moments, listening, thinking...

I then turned towards the road side door, intending to go and open it...

At this time, the patio door was open, the bedroom door was still left ajar, the bedroom window was open, the steel shutter of that particular window was raised up - I strode towards the roadside door and very quickly opened it...

Whoooooosh, bang the bedroom door slammed shut...

Leaving the road side door open, I returned to the bedroom door which was now fully closed. At this time the patio door was open, the road side door was open, and to the best of my knowledge the bedroom window was still open and its shutter raised up...

I quickly opened the closed bedroom door, and as I did so the curtain at the window started to move violently and pulled itself open, leaving the open bedroom window exposed to view. I stepped inside the bedroom and closed the door behind me, and the movement of the curtain ceased, it was not moving as though it was being blown by the wind. I half turned and slowly opened the bedroom door again,which generated a draft that started to make the curtain at the bedroom window flutter. I walked out of the bedroom closing the door behind me and I went to close the road side door, then returned to the bedroom door and opened it. I was conscious of the fact that there was not the rush of air as there was with both patio door, road side door and bedroom window opened. I re-entered the bedroom, with bedroom door ajar, neither the bedroom door, nor the curtains at the bedroom window moved...

Standing there, pondering what to do next, trying to fathom out what significance if anything any of this could mean...

I left the bedroom, closing the bedroom door behind me. I then went to close the sliding patio door, then I returned to the opposite side of the Apartment and re-opened the roadside door, before going back to the bedroom door and opening it - nothing happened. Turning around, I went back to the patio door and slid it open. Upon doing so the bedroom door slammed shut, and I was aware of a slight rushing of breeze in the room created at that stage, which I have since referred to as a vacuum...

I closed the patio door, went to close the road side door, went into the bedroom and closed the bedroom window...

I believed at that point I had discovered something of importance about the circumstances surrounding the discovery by Kate McCann of Maddie having been taken from the bedroom in Apartment 5A - at around 10pm...

It dawned on me, that when Kate had gone back to Apartment 5A, she was not alone after she slid open the patio door, someone else must have also been present in the Apartment, and left by means of the roadside door, or been about to re-enter the Apartment by use of the road side door, at the time Kate was resetting the bedroom door, intending to leave the Apartment and go back to the tapas bar...

At this particular time, three members of the tapas bar were absent from there - Jane Tanner, Kate McCann and ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 09:25:AM
I think the sighting by the Smith family involved the person who carried off Maddie down towards the coast, in the general direction of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 09:33:AM
The photograph I took inside the pink room of the derelict building shows a psychic image of a child resembling Maddie on the floor next to the mattress, this cannot be just a coincidence,because I took hundreds of photographs at the resort during my week long stay,and such images were never reproduced anywhere else at the resort - I have always had a very strong feeling that at one stage or another that Maddies body was present in the pink room, where the ghostly image of her appeared in my photograph...

As yet, police have not DNA'd the floor where the image appeared, or the mattress alongside...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 21, 2013, 04:31:PM
ive heard a thoery that the body is under murrets driveway.

but i find it hard to belive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 08:08:PM
ive heard a thoery that the body is under murrets driveway.

but i find it hard to belive.

I wonder when the additional driveway was laid at Murats villa?

Also, who was responsible for laying it?

From my own point of view, I firmly believe that Maddies body had been buried in a shallow grave in the garden of the derelict building - the site photographed by me whilst I was on holiday at PDL. As yet, that location has not been properly searched or excavated...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 21, 2013, 08:19:PM
that sounds more likely than the driveway theory.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 09:29:PM
The area of disturbed ground which I believe constitutes a shallow grave in the garden of the derelict building which is situated directly across the street from the church, was dug by someone who used a bar to help dislodge stones buried beneath the soil, until sufficient depth was achieved into which a small body could be concealed...

Why anyone would wish to dig such a hole in that remote part of the garden, and fill it in, god only knows. The premises themselves appear to have been vacated for several years, and there are piles of rotting vegetation and rubbish all over the place in the garden, so why did someone choose to dig such a hole and conceal something inside it, there of all places?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 21, 2013, 09:38:PM
yes but that dosent mean maddies there it could be someone elses body.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 09:49:PM
yes but that dosent mean maddies there it could be someone elses body.

I believe it will be discovered that her body was / is buried there - until someone goes there and digs up the hole, the world will never know if Maddies body was there, or is there...

As I say, I think the hole that was dug up at the back of the garden of the derelict building, was where her body was originally disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2013, 10:49:PM
It is also a possibility that a couple of members from the tapas group were having an affair behind their partners back, and that this is somehow linked with Maddies disappearance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 22, 2013, 02:19:PM
highly likely but i doubt if 2 things are conected.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2013, 09:32:PM
highly likely but i doubt if 2 things are conected.

I think there is a good chance that a clandestine relationship, involving at least two members of the group, maybe three of them, is linked to the circumstances of Maddies disappearance from Apartment 5A...

We will have to wait and see what pans out in the coming weeks, now that scotland yard has got permission to carry out searches in Portugal - maybe at long last the grounds of the derelict building will finally be subjected to a fingertip forensic dig and search. Expect things to happen if that location is one of the sites chosen to be searched...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2013, 10:15:PM
It should be possible to confirm that Maddie was kept inside the derelict building, before her body was disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 23, 2013, 05:42:PM
It should be possible to confirm that Maddie was kept inside the derelict building, before her body was disposed of...




Mike ,,how far was that derelict building from the spot were the guy was seen carrying a child.? Was the road,where the guy was seen,, a direct link to the building.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 23, 2013, 10:16:PM



Mike ,,how far was that derelict building from the spot were the guy was seen carrying a child.? Was the road,where the guy was seen,, a direct link to the building.?

I would say within a quarter of a mile, I took photographs and will try to post them up in due course...

It was whilst investigating this sighting by the Smith family that I linked that sighting to another of a man seen carrying a child onto the coastline near where small fishing boats are moored up at night. I retraced the shortest route between both sites, and took photographs along the route. It was there that I discovered a large horizontal drain, and some very distinctive rocks, which turned up around the burial site in the grounds of the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2013, 05:49:AM
I would say within a quarter of a mile, I took photographs and will try to post them up in due course...

It was whilst investigating this sighting by the Smith family that I linked that sighting to another of a man seen carrying a child onto the coastline near where small fishing boats are moored up at night. I retraced the shortest route between both sites, and took photographs along the route. It was there that I discovered a large horizontal drain, and some very distinctive rocks, which turned up around the burial site in the grounds of the derelict building...

There is a coastal footpath along the sea to a pub, behind which access can be made to the garden of the derelict building, a footpath which I also retraced and photographed. I will try to reproduce a map showing the route I believe was taken by the person who carried the child in his arms, as witnessed by the Smith family. Access to the garden of the derelict building is accessible via a small wall on the sun terrace at the side of the pub...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2013, 05:59:AM
Sooner or later, Scotland yard will be visiting the derelict building and its grounds, and a proper search there should reveal the missing pieces of the jigsaw relating to the mystery...

The sooner this is done, the better...

DNA found inside the pink room, will help to identify the culprits...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2013, 06:07:AM
When I uploaded this image upon my return to the UK, I thought that there might be a possibility that Maddies remains had been concealed under the floor boards of the pink room, right there where the image appears. I thought about this long and hard, later on, because some of the floor boarding had been broken nearby, and it would have been possible for someone to gain access beneath the floor of the pink room, with a view to concealing a small body there, temporarily, or otherwise...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2013, 06:14:AM
How strange, that the sighting of a man carrying a child in his arms (by Jane Tanner), should replicate the image in an advertisement for a product found inside the derelict building (BAYGON)...

The way Tanner describes the man carrying the child, was different to the way the Smith family described the man they saw, carrying the child - In the Tanner account, the man was unrecognizable, very similar to the masked man in the baygon advertisement, whereas, in the Smith account, the man was later identified as someone looking similar to Gerry McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 25, 2013, 06:56:PM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2013, 12:11:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2013, 12:21:AM


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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2013, 12:30:AM
It is understood that peadophile, Raymond Hewlett may have been staying inside the derelict building opposite the church at PDL,Portugal, around the time of Madelaine  McCanns disappearance, and that clothing worn by him was discarded there, which I photographed in 2010...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2013, 12:36:AM
Pedophile gang, may be behind disappearance of Madeleine McCann:-

Hewlett
Urs hans von aesch
David Payne
Murat
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2013, 12:40:AM
Pedophile gang, may be behind disappearance of Madeleine McCann:-

Hewlett
Urs hans von aesch
David Payne
Murat

Scotland yard investigating links between aforementioned suspects (telephone records and internet usage)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on July 26, 2013, 05:47:AM
Mike,
Wouldn't these guy's have been at the top of the lst and therefore interviewed and dealt with by now? Or is that I don't believe the paedo ring bit?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 07:52:AM
Look here, compare these images, one taken in PDL before disappearance of Maddie, and one much later, with a child resembling Maddie in the company of two unknown men. is the man wearing the same dark colored T - shirt, the same person in both images:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:02:AM
If the man in both aforementioned photographs is the same person, but it might not be - what we have are a group of at least three people who were collectively involved in Maddies disappearance:-

(1) - Raymon Hewlett

(2) - Murat

(3)  - mystery man wearing blue colored T - shirt
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:05:AM
Scotland yard need to be focusing on trying to identify the bald headed man shown in these photographs (so says Mike Teskowski):-

Bald headed man, appears to be taking an interest in the McCann family, including Madeleine McCann,beforte her disappearance, and later with Murat, after she had disappeared...

"ALARM BELLS", are ringing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:17:AM
It seems to me, that the bald headed man in both photographs is the very same person, and somebody must know who he is - Scotland yard have been actively trying to identify who this person is....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:20:AM
It seems to me, that the bald headed man in both photographs is the very same person, and somebody must know who he is - Scotland yard have been actively trying to identify who this person is....

Identifying the bald headed man, is one of the 38 new leads that Scotland yard are looking into...

If not, Scotland yard need to be trying to resolve this matter / issue..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:22:AM
Funny, strange, inexplicable, that the bald headed man should be captured taking an interest in the McCann family before Maddies disappearance, and later accompanying Murat after she had disappeared...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:25:AM
Funny, strange, inexplicable, that the bald headed man should be captured taking an interest in the McCann family before Maddies disappearance, and later accompanying Murat after she had disappeared...

Somebody knows who the bald person is - I have questions that I would like to pose...

(1) -who took this photograph:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:28:AM
Somebody knows who the bald person is - I have questions that I would like to pose...

(1) -who took this photograph:-

Is there a link between the person who took the aforementioned image, the bald headed man and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, later on?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:30:AM
Is there a link between the person who took the aforementioned image, the bald headed man and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, later on?

My heart, my mind, and instinct tells me, there was, and there is such a common denominator...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:36:AM
I know that police are monitoring our site - I don't mind, since from a personal point of view, I am not here to obstruct them, or the work they do, or the work they have to do, we are on the same side in this case, trying to work out who was involved in the disappearance of Madelaine McCann, and where she can be found...

It is irrelevant that I think she is already dead, and that police are still holding out for her safe return...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 08:39:AM
I know that police are monitoring our site - I don't mind, since from a personal point of view, I am not here to obstruct them, or the work they do, or the work they have to do, we are on the same side in this case, trying to work out who was involved in the disappearance of Madelaine McCann, and where she can be found...

It is irrelevant that I think she is already dead, and that police are still holding out for her safe return...

Nothing woudl please me more,, to discover the current police view i correct,,an that my own personal view are prove to be inaccurate.....

Somehow, though, I don't think I am wrong....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2013, 09:49:AM
Mike,,that " bald-headed " guy,befriended Murat when they both flew into Portugal on the same flight from the UK. I did know the guys' name,,so I'll try and search for it to refresh my memory. He had been mentined in the past.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 27, 2013, 09:55:AM
Mike,,that " bald-headed " guy,befriended Murat when they both flew into Portugal on the same flight from the UK. I did know the guys' name,,so I'll try and search for it to refresh my memory. He had been mentined in the past.

Morning Lookout :)

He helped in the search for Madeleine too...there is a few more photo's of him with Murat and the PJ.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2013, 10:17:AM
Morning Lookout :)

He helped in the search for Madeleine too...there is a few more photo's of him with Murat and the PJ.  :) :) :) :)




 Morning Patti,,yes,,the guy is Abdelkadar Belliraj,,who worked for the Belgian Security Services,,and is himself part Belgian/Moroccan.
This bloke actually had dinner with Osama Bin Laden before the 9/11 attacks.!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2013, 10:23:AM
Another guy who has very likely been questioned,but I doubt involved,,is a George Burke,originally from Liverpool but living in Portugal. He's a businessman there with eateries,,and was driving through the night,when 8 hours after the abduction,his headlights spotted a couple,scruffy and foreign looking,,struggling to carry a child.They did their best to try and hide the child from the glare of the headlights.Although not absolutely certain it was Madeleine,,he seemed sure that they wanted to hide the child they were carrying.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 10:33:AM



 Morning Patti,,yes,,the guy is Abdelkadar Belliraj,,who worked for the Belgian Security Services,,and is himself part Belgian/Moroccan.
This bloke actually had dinner with Osama Bin Laden before the 9/11 attacks.!

Why was he taking an interest in the McCann family, before Maddie disappeared, and after she disappeared?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2013, 10:33:AM
This  Raj was pictured as one of the police investigating the case.He's friendly with Murat and Symington ( Murats' cousin ) Why was a police officer,with links to Murat,,, seen shadowing the family before the child was kidnapped.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 27, 2013, 10:34:AM



 Morning Patti,,yes,,the guy is Abdelkadar Belliraj,,who worked for the Belgian Security Services,,and is himself part Belgian/Moroccan.
This bloke actually had dinner with Osama Bin Laden before the 9/11 attacks.!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mXbRBcSh0gs/RrSuZMNvt9I/AAAAAAAAAvw/6pppYaufzR8/s1600/01_FOTO_ARTIGO.jpg

Wonder who this is????????

n the early days of the case of missing Madeleine McCann, a man with shaved head and glasses was picked up in photo's of Gerry playing with the kids, and subsequently with Robert Murat during the early days of the search.

Was it ever found out who he was ? and what his connection to both Gerry McCann and Robert Murat was ?

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He was identified at the police files as a tourist of asian origin named Raj. A lot of people tried to prove he was a Portuguese copper, thus enforcing the conspiracy theory. Photos of a portuguese police officer at a protest in Lisbon were scattered all over the Internet. It was OBVIOUSLY not the same man.
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He was participating in the searches. So was I and about 50 people that I know. Are we all suspects?
The man in the picture has been identified by the PJ ages ago. He got his name all over the internet.
I guess no good deed goes unpunished in the McCann case.
Attempts were made to establish his ID as a Portuguese PSP copper. PSP doesn't even have jurisdiction at Praia da Luz...
Edit@littleweed: Now I know which picture you mean. No. Not the same person. I have it with much better definition if you want to check it by yourself.
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I'm sorry, maybe I'm not making myself clear:
- "Playground man" was identified by the police as a Tourist. He is named in the police files and there can not be any doubt about it. He has a child and he was at the playground with her when the photo was taken. This is a fact, not an opinion. To see something sinister at that is a long stretch.
- The "searcher" with the white t-shirt is indeed the same man. He is helping with the search, same as Murat and a lot of tourists and locals. Stop punishing him for that good deed, please.
- The PSP agent pictured at a previous protest of the Police Association is NOT the same man. He has a shaven head and a moustache. He doesn't even look like him, come on! Different body structure and different face.
- PSP does not have jurisdiction at Praia da Luz. Plus, the k9 SAR team there is from the GNR.
- The PSP at the protest is not a plainclothes officer.
- Every good citizen who is in a friendly situation with the cops looks like that. I guess the reason for that goes back to the days when we were hesitating between a career as a fireman or as a police officer...I've witnessed a few civilian using "police lingo" with cops. It's part of being a human being and wanting to belong. We're all chameleons.
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2013, 10:35:AM
Why was he taking an interest in the McCann family, before Maddie disappeared, and after she disappeared?

What reason, if any, were Belgian security services taking an interest in the McCann family, before Maddie went missing, and afterwards once she had gone missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2013, 10:41:AM
What reason, if any, were Belgian security services taking an interest in the McCann family, before Maddie went missing, and afterwards once she had gone missing?



Marc Dutroux,,at the time in a Belgian prison,,had interests in procuring children,as in the Casa Pia story.
Our Intelligence Sevice here,cast a net around an area in Belgium where this Raj comes from,Molenbeek? as this is where the sighting appeared of a woman holding a little girls' hand.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2013, 10:59:AM
It makes you wonder whether it was the girl who was spotted in Leh,India two years ago.The sighting was made by a woman who'd said that two people were with the girl,,a French woman,and a Belgian man. Also a reporter in India said that he thought it was Madeleine too.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2013, 11:02:AM
It's these sort of sightings which our police from the Met,,are more or less convinced that the child is still alive,,especially if they've been following these leads. At the moment,,they won't be reporting very much because of the security surrounding the search and also arrests of those responsible for her abduction.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 31, 2013, 10:33:PM
I have been seeing a lot of images in the skies, of Maddie recently, which are unsettling me, along with other images, that kept manifesting everywhere I go. It could be my tumor playing tricks, but in an attempt to try and satisfy myself that I am not totally bonkers (yet), I have been resorting to trying to capture these images in photographs I have been taking, but the photographs I have took never seem to do justice to what it is I am actually seeing...

But, on some occasions, the results are startling...

Bradford:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2013, 12:34:AM
more images taken by me recently:-

"Maddie"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 17, 2013, 02:02:PM
Brilliant pics again Mike.Love the sky ones,they fascinate me.

Patti,,remember the taxi driver who picked up 2/3 men and a woman with a little girl,,who was described as being dressed in the clothes she went missing in.? The taxi driver took them all to a hotel.
This report was never followed up by the Portuguese police even though it happened on the night Madeleine went missing. The taxi driver,now 70,is more than willing to come forward and explain who and what he saw that night,,and will be interviewed by our police there.
Because this happened so soon after the abduction,,it's quite possible that it was Madeleine as at the point of being picked up,it wouldn't have been reported,certainly not circulated.
The taxi driver said the child appeared " doped ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on August 17, 2013, 02:34:PM
Kate mentioned in her book that whilst having their tea at the Ocean Club,Maddie appeared 'dopey'. And that she also went to sleep quickly that night. I can't see her being abducted without being drugged. Too risky surely? And the twins remained in a deep sleep when the Mccanns removed them from the apartment. I guess its possible someone from the Ocean Club was in on it. Could have spiked the childrens food? Would have known the Mccanns and friends movements that night and so could have given the all clear to the kidnapper?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 17, 2013, 03:37:PM
Kate mentioned in her book that whilst having their tea at the Ocean Club,Maddie appeared 'dopey'. And that she also went to sleep quickly that night. I can't see her being abducted without being drugged. Too risky surely? And the twins remained in a deep sleep when the Mccanns removed them from the apartment. I guess its possible someone from the Ocean Club was in on it. Could have spiked the childrens food? Would have known the Mccanns and friends movements that night and so could have given the all clear to the kidnapper?




Hi tyler,,yes,that's very possible that all three children were " doped " in some way,given that the twins weren't disturbed in any way during the latter commotion of finding Madeleine gone.
I agree,it's been a highly organised abduction and not just done on the spur of the moment,,as you say,someone from the complex itself,,and to my mind,someone also from the Tapas bar who had a list and times of the arrivals. As well as the timed " watches " on the children.Who knows what made that child sick that night while it had to be attended to.? This particular child was older I think and may have been too talkative.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on August 17, 2013, 03:40:PM
If you remember the children did not have tea that night at creche so I would think it impossible for their teas to have been tampered with...

I do remember something about a taxi driver taking a woman to an hotel...Lets hope OUR police glean something from that... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 30, 2013, 02:29:PM
Amaral is facing court next month and the McCanns are suing him for£1million pound after he wrote in his book saying that the parents were covering up the childs' murder.
Serves him right,,he had it coming,the odious character.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 30, 2013, 02:32:PM
Jeremy could have a field day with all the libel about him,,the lies and accusations.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on August 30, 2013, 02:35:PM
Amaral is facing court next month and the McCanns are suing him for£1million pound after he wrote in his book saying that the parents were covering up the childs' murder.
Serves him right,,he had it coming,the odious character.

the guy should be in prison.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 30, 2013, 04:55:PM
the guy should be in prison.




Nugs,,it's not very often you hear of a cop,,or an ex-cop going to prison.!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on August 30, 2013, 05:02:PM
no but it has happened its by no means imposable.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 30, 2013, 05:25:PM
no but it has happened its by no means imposable.




A lot depends on what Portugals' Judicial system is like,nugs. It's more or less a closed shop here as you don't hear any more about police who've been prosecuted,,if you see what I mean. It'll also depend if he was popular amongst other PJ's at the time of Madeleines' disappearance. Somehow,,I don't think he was. It'll be interesting,next week when he makes his first appearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on August 30, 2013, 06:02:PM
Amaral is facing court next month and the McCanns are suing him for£1million pound after he wrote in his book saying that the parents were covering up the childs' murder.
Serves him right,,he had it coming,the odious character.

Hi Lookout is that in today's papers?   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 30, 2013, 06:33:PM
Hi Lookout is that in today's papers?   :) :) :) :)




Hi Patti,,no it's not in our papers ( as usual ) it was in the Aussie one. It might be in our press this weekend. :-[
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on August 30, 2013, 07:38:PM



Hi Patti,,no it's not in our papers ( as usual ) it was in the Aussie one. It might be in our press this weekend. :-[

Thanks Lookout......I thought, though that this with Amaral was over and done with...obviously not.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on August 30, 2013, 09:34:PM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/standard.html#

Something about Maddie on CNN. I don´t think the link takes you directly to the video - if not, click on "justice", then skroll a little bit down.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on August 30, 2013, 09:51:PM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/standard.html#

Something about Maddie on CNN. I don´t think the link takes you directly to the video - if not, click on "justice", then skroll a little bit down.

Thanks Alias....We have known since the onset of this evidence and Lookout will back me up on this, and that is that Hewlett's son read a letter which was written by his father that he had involvement in the disappearance of Madeline and that was that she was ordered and sold on to a childless couple.....What I don't get in all of this is why an a ex paedophile would be involved in such a thing...It was later disclosed that Hewlett's son had burned the letter.......... :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on August 31, 2013, 02:15:AM
Lots of kids are abducted, not killed, personally I believe that could be the case with Madelaine, she might be alive. Just a feeling.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 31, 2013, 10:14:AM
Lots of kids are abducted, not killed, personally I believe that could be the case with Madelaine, she might be alive. Just a feeling.




Alias,,I've always believed that the child is alive. Besides there having been no indication otherwise,,,it's just the feeling I've had all along.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 31, 2013, 10:25:AM
Thanks Alias....We have known since the onset of this evidence and Lookout will back me up on this, and that is that Hewlett's son read a letter which was written by his father that he had involvement in the disappearance of Madeline and that was that she was ordered and sold on to a childless couple.....What I don't get in all of this is why an a ex paedophile would be involved in such a thing...It was later disclosed that Hewlett's son had burned the letter.......... :-\ :-\ :-\





Hi Patti,,yes,I remember the letter that Wayne Hewlett had. His father always remained a dodgy character,,and his reason for scarpering to Germany was that he wouldn't be questioned,,and right enough,as when he was hospitalized there,,nobody was allowed to question him,not even the police. I remember the McCanns wanting to see him when he was in hospital,,but he refused them permission,which was granted.
There were obviously others involved and we've yet to find out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on August 31, 2013, 01:53:PM
i wonder wether theres a lot more to this than just a run of the mill abduction.

theres to be an orgnised group of people who run all over the internet makeing up rubbish about the case and ive got to what there motives are for doing that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 31, 2013, 04:42:PM
i wonder wether theres a lot more to this than just a run of the mill abduction.

theres to be an orgnised group of people who run all over the internet makeing up rubbish about the case and ive got to what there motives are for doing that.



Nugs,,I think it was organised,,because whoever took the child,knew the movements of the party of people that week,,from their arrival and certainly to their departures,which was the day after she was snatched. The Tapas bar had a list of meals that were ordered and for what nights,,and also times of sitting,,so it was well worked out and timed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on August 31, 2013, 05:55:PM
and this isnt just a case of chinese whispers these people tell complete and deliberate lies.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 05, 2013, 09:38:AM
Phone records being looked into by British police, may help to identify those involved in Maddies disappearance, and help to confirm and pinpoint the exact spot where her body is / was buried. The clock is ticking for the perpetrators, if members of the tapas group are involved in Maddies disappearance, and they were carrying their mobile phones, it may be possible to track the movement of individual / people moving around in / out, or close to apartment 5a at the material time of the disappearance / abduction...

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Soon be finding out the truth in this matter, soon be recovering Maddie, so she can have a proper Christian burial...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 05, 2013, 10:20:AM
Phone records being looked into by British police, may help to identify those involved in Maddies disappearance, and help to confirm and pinpoint the exact spot where her body is / was buried. The clock is ticking for the perpetrators, if members of the tapas group are involved in Maddies disappearance, and they were carrying their mobile phones, it may be possible to track the movement of individual / people moving around in / out, or close to apartment 5a at the material time of the disappearance / abduction...

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Soon be finding out the truth in this matter, soon be recovering Maddie, so she can have a proper Christian burial...

God said, "Let there be light, and there was light"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2013, 01:47:PM
Phone records being looked into by British police, may help to identify those involved in Maddies disappearance, and help to confirm and pinpoint the exact spot where her body is / was buried. The clock is ticking for the perpetrators, if members of the tapas group are involved in Maddies disappearance, and they were carrying their mobile phones, it may be possible to track the movement of individual / people moving around in / out, or close to apartment 5a at the material time of the disappearance / abduction...

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Soon be finding out the truth in this matter, soon be recovering Maddie, so she can have a proper Christian burial...

why werent these phone records looked at years ago.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 06, 2013, 05:17:PM
In an Australian press,,there's a report from Manchester Police about an informant,who is also a barrister and a pillar of the community,who knows of Madeleines' whereabouts,and was in tears and visibly shaken when he came into contact with her in August of this year. The child is on an island in the Mediterranean,though for obvious reasons it's not been said.
Though this sudden information is now going to possibly compromise the next step,and it's not what the lawyer wanted to happen,as well as there having been wrong leads in the past,,but the Police are in no doubt about this latest meeting and its credible source.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 06, 2013, 05:29:PM
That should read----------a witness to the barrister,who then relayed the information to Manchester Police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 06, 2013, 05:35:PM
The confession by the witness to the lawyer was told at a party in the North West in August,,and the lawyer had told the police that he himself had a gut feeling about this witness having been truthful. Even down to the conversation that the witness had with the girl.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 03:52:PM
The case is on the news here today. They say they have never been as close to apprehending the culprit. A 3D computer animation of the number one suspect will be published Monday. SOMETHING is happening in this case!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 04:16:PM
A reconstruction is being shown on Crimewatch on Monday at 9:30 maybe they will show the photo fit on there Alias..... :-\ :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 04:24:PM
A reconstruction is being shown on Crimewatch on Monday at 9:30 maybe they will show the photo fit on there Alias..... :-\ :) :) :) :)

Yes, that was the programme they mentioned. I don´t think it is a photo, but a computer animation.
It is so strange that the Scotland Yard sound so confident that she is alive and go public with it. I also find it odd that they are talking about 41 (41!) persons of interest from the area at that time!
If Madeleine is alive, I hope she has been treated well. How devastating this is!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 04:44:PM
Yes, that was the programme they mentioned. I don´t think it is a photo, but a computer animation.
It is so strange that the Scotland Yard sound so confident that she is alive and go public with it. I also find it odd that they are talking about 41 (41!) persons of interest from the area at that time!
If Madeleine is alive, I hope she has been treated well. How devastating this is!

Hi Alias :)  I hope with all my heart she is alive and well and no one has hurt her.  Do you think whoever is responsible is now panicking????  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2013, 04:48:PM
im sure she still is alive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 04:58:PM
im sure she still is alive.

Hey Nugs  ;D ;D ;D  I hope she is, there is nothing to suggest otherwise....Lets hope that there will finally be a breakthrough on this case and some sort of closure.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 05:05:PM
Sorry, Patti, you are right, it is a computer manipulated photo they are talking about. The news anchor here just corrected it.
I too think it is likely Madeleine is alive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2013, 05:14:PM
i wonder what all the nutters who run  around the internet talking rubbish about this case are going to do when its solved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 11, 2013, 05:21:PM
i wonder what all the nutters who run  around the internet talking rubbish about this case are going to do when its solved.





Nugs,,they'll still argue about the same old " they shouldn't have left the children ",chestnut.
I've made a few posts on Yahoo news,,and a bigger bunch of idiots you'll ever come across,,still arguing the toss that the parents had something to do with her disappearance. They'll just change their ID's and have the cheek to say,," I knew she'd be found,etc.etc."

I've not once had the feeling that the child is dead,,and when we first voted on here whether she was alive ior not,,I must have been the only one at the time to vote yes,,she was/is still alive.
Simply because there's been nothing to think otherwise.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 05:27:PM
Sorry, Patti, you are right, it is a computer manipulated photo they are talking about. The news anchor here just corrected it.
I too think it is likely Madeleine is alive.

It looks like Crimewatch is going worldwide....I'm not sure if it normally does.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2013, 05:53:PM
ive never really understood all the bad feeling in this case it dosent happen in other missing persons cases.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 06:05:PM
It looks like Crimewatch is going worldwide....I'm not sure if it normally does.  :) :) :) :)

No, we cannot see it here, they are just mentioning that the Madeleine case will be on on Monday.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 06:07:PM
ive never really understood all the bad feeling in this case it dosent happen in other missing persons cases.

 I think it is because the Mcanns went so public - AND that an educated, well off couple chose to leave their small children home alone. The hotel did have a baby-sitter service. I think that angers people.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 06:11:PM
Hello lookout

do you think Ben Needham is still alive went missing in 1991 aged 21 months. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 06:12:PM
ive never really understood all the bad feeling in this case it dosent happen in other missing persons cases.

Me neither Nugs. I don't like using the word hate, but for some people its pure hate because they left their children to have an evening meal.  Of course we know that, except it and for the McCann's they will always be marred by it, but those that say nasty things don't say anything about the monster that took Madeline.

They have no argument only that of ignorance..... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 06:13:PM
No, we cannot see it here, they are just mentioning that the Madeleine case will be on on Monday.

Alias can you get Iplayer???? you could watch it on that if so.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 06:14:PM
Alias I agree both Doctors and had so much support maybe because of their standing in Society I am sure they have paid daily for leaving the children alone.  Pray their daughter is reunited with them.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 06:22:PM
Alias I agree both Doctors and had so much support maybe because of their standing in Society I am sure they have paid daily for leaving the children alone.  Pray their daughter is reunited with them.

Yes, that would be nice!
If Madeleine was abducted, why were he younger siblings not taken too? Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 06:40:PM
Alias maybe she was taken to order a little pretty young blonde girl I have read this does go on and couples who are childless request a child to suit their needs this sounds dreadful but it does happen.  I have often wondered if this happened to Ben Needham he was a beautiful little boy of 21 months vanished outside his Grandmothers house and never been heard of since. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 07:00:PM
Alias maybe she was taken to order a little pretty young blonde girl I have read this does go on and couples who are childless request a child to suit their needs this sounds dreadful but it does happen.  I have often wondered if this happened to Ben Needham he was a beautiful little boy of 21 months vanished outside his Grandmothers house and never been heard of since. :(

Yes, I have heard that this is one of the theories about what happened to Madeleine, but isn´t it more common that people want younger children, Maddie was four, her twins, also blonde, were younger. I am just wondering.
If this was, as the theory goes, a well organized baby-snatcher-ring (gypsy-run), why not all three children?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 07:01:PM
Alias can you get Iplayer???? you could watch it on that if so.... :) :) :) :)

I am afraid I cannot - not unless I buy new equipment before Monday night!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 07:06:PM
I am afraid I cannot - not unless I buy new equipment before Monday night!

Awww that is a shame....I will try and take a screen shot of the photo fit for you.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 07:08:PM
Alias it would appear they were just interested in a little girl and cannot even think about why this may have been the case far too distressing or maybe they were disturbed and did not have chance to take the twins.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 07:10:PM
Alias it would appear they were just interested in a little girl and cannot even think about why this may have been the case far too distressing or maybe they were disturbed and did not have chance to take the twins.

Or maybe whoever it was worked alone?????  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 07:14:PM
Patti that is possible I always thought this but believe Maddie was taken to order :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 07:24:PM
Patti that is possible I always thought this but believe Maddie was taken to order :(

Hi Susan :)

I think this is what the majority think to be honest. Its also possible that they were watched from the moment they got to the resort or landed in Portugal.  Its not a nice thing to say, but I can't wait for Monday night.... :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 07:31:PM
Patti do you think little Maddie is still alive I have missed the recent coverage but will watch on Monday night what channel is it on?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 07:40:PM
Patti do you think little Maddie is still alive I have missed the recent coverage but will watch on Monday night what channel is it on?

She might be Susan, there is always hope and if she is I also hope no one has hurt her....Its on at 9:30 BBC1......I think this is when they will show a photo fit of someone they wish to talk too....

Wouldn't it be wonderful if she was found alive and well......This is an horrible thing I am going to say, but even if she found dead, at least her parents will know...its not knowing that is so hard to cope with... :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 11, 2013, 07:46:PM
Alias it would appear they were just interested in a little girl and cannot even think about why this may have been the case far too distressing or maybe they were disturbed and did not have chance to take the twins.

Aww, thanks!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 07:51:PM
Patti I know what you mean not knowing must be the worst possible thing to endure for the McCanns they will daily wonder if she is hurting or is she at peace somewhere but to find out what has happened to their lovely daughter will bring them closure in someway :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 07:57:PM
Patti I know what you mean not knowing must be the worst possible thing to endure for the McCanns they will daily wonder if she is hurting or is she at peace somewhere but to find out what has happened to their lovely daughter will bring them closure in someway :(

I hope so Susan.  No matter what the outcome will be I know I will cry buckets.... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 08:02:PM
Patti I know what you mean it is so so sad.  I watched Ben Needham's Mother being interviewed and she is still looking for Ben 22 years on I really felt for her as she had no help at all from the police or the media she was out on her own.  She has of late had some help. He was such an adorable little boy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 08:12:PM
Patti I know what you mean it is so so sad.  I watched Ben Needham's Mother being interviewed and she is still looking for Ben 22 years on I really felt for her as she had no help at all from the police or the media she was out on her own.  She has of late had some help. He was such an adorable little boy.

That is so true Susan.  Ben never had the coverage that Madeline had, which must have hurt Kerry.  It must be the worst nightmare any parents can go through. I can't imagine how they must feel.  But, there is always hope, like in the Jaycee Dughard case and Elizabeth Short.....who were also stolen but returned....

Ben was born in the same hospital as my son around the same time and when I look at my son I am often reminded of Ben, for my son is fair like he is.......I doubt Kerry will ever stop looking like the McCann's.....no parents would really....Look at poor ole Whinnie Bennett, who went up to moors at every opportunity.  So bloody sad. 

I heard there is a 5 year old missing in Scotland......since the 20th of September..  :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 08:22:PM
Patti that must feel so strange for you to see your boy and immediately think of Ben how these Mothers survive this ordeal I will never know I suppose it is by having hope that keeps them going.  So sad Tim Bennetts Mother died before she could find her little boy she could not even have peace in death what a cruel wicked world we live in.  Not heard of the 5 year old missing in Scotland maybe it was further South as I just follow the news from the North and England of course.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 11, 2013, 08:29:PM
Patti I know what you mean it is so so sad.  I watched Ben Needham's Mother being interviewed and she is still looking for Ben 22 years on I really felt for her as she had no help at all from the police or the media she was out on her own.  She has of late had some help. He was such an adorable little boy.
Cannot imagine how it must feel for your child to be taken and never know if he's alive or dead, happy or frightened and sad.
I know some may say mothers forced by circumstances to give up their babies for adoption suffered a similar fate and I am aware of that which is why I have always believed they had a right to know their children were at least well and happy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 11, 2013, 08:31:PM
It would be fantastic if Maddie is found safe and well,but was wondering how she would reintegrate back into her family who would effectively be strangers to her? I'm certain she would undergo counselling etc,but finding her,wonderful as it would be,opens up a whole new set of circumstances.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 11, 2013, 08:35:PM
It would be fantastic if Maddie is found safe and well,but was wondering how she would reintegrate back into her family who would effectively be strangers to her? I'm certain she would undergo counselling etc,but finding her,wonderful as it would be,opens up a whole new set of circumstances.
You are right tyler, if she is with a new family and happy, maybe speaking a different language it would be dreadfully traumatic for all of them.  However, I would think just knowing she was safe and happy would be amazing for the McCanns. :( :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 11, 2013, 08:41:PM
Hello Maggie I think it will be quite traumatic for a Mother who has to give her child up for adoption and it will be a comfort to her knowing her child is happy and being well cared for but not knowing would be torture.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2013, 08:46:PM
another qustion there was a baby sitting service so how did the abductor know the McCanns wernt using it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 11, 2013, 08:47:PM
Hello Maggie I think it will be quite traumatic for a Mother who has to give her child up for adoption and it will be a comfort to her knowing her child is happy and being well cared for but not knowing would be torture.
Very true Susie, so difficult for those mother's.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2013, 08:53:PM
Cannot imagine how it must feel for your child to be taken and never know if he's alive or dead, happy or frightened and sad.
I know some may say mothers forced by circumstances to give up their babies for adoption suffered a similar fate and I am aware of that which is why I have always believed they had a right to know their children were at least well and happy.

Hi Maggie neither can I. The sheer thought of it makes my heart sink....

I've just been reading a true life story about a little girl who's mother died.  The girl was 12 and had to look after her 3 younger brothers and a baby sister.  Their father was right B******d

When her mother died in the front room, he made his little girl kiss her on her mouth and it frightened her to death.  He used to wake her up in the night and accuse her of murdering her mother, he shine a torch in her face and drag her out of bed by the hair, along the corridor and into the kitchen, where he would beat her.....while in a drunken temper.  On the Christmas Eve, he gave his children 15 shillings to go shopping for Christmas.  They bought a tree and some trimmings and gifts for their father and each other.  The little girl did all the hard work, to the shops, take the baby to nursery, bath the children, fetch the coal and take the laundry.....He even made he have her cat put down, but she let it escape, but it came home, so he beat her and slashed her fingers with a knife....he was a cruel sod.  Anyway, back to Christmas eve, he came home drunk and again he fetched her out of bed and bust her nose open, blacked her eyes, kicked her in the back.....she could not move till after the 1st week in January and he even put her presents in the coal shed so she could not have them....

Eventually, a social worker must have found out about the cruelty and when the little girl came home with the baby all the suitcases were packed....The SW told her that the 3 boys were going away for a while and the baby was going somewhere else....The little girl wondered what was to become of her whilst her nasty father was ill.......She kissed the boys bye bye and then kissed the baby and they rubbed noses and away she went.....Then suddenly the girl realised they were not coming back and she ran after the baby but they had gone....she ran and ran and screamed after her little sister.....

Sad to say she spent the next 4 years in care and at 16 she married and had 3 children, but the marriage failed and she found herself homeless.  But, a stroke of luck happened and she met and married an architect and now lives in Scotland.....She wrote a sequel to the book I have read this week....but tonight I found this....and It made me cry....and realise how lucky I am....Its a really sad story.  :'(

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/author-pleads-burglar-return-locket-2021801

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 11, 2013, 09:06:PM
Hi Maggie neither can I. The sheer thought of it makes my heart sink....

I've just been reading a true life story about a little girl who's mother died.  The girl was 12 and had to look after her 3 younger brothers and a baby sister.  Their father was right B******d

When her mother died in the front room, he made his little girl kiss her on her mouth and it frightened her to death.  He used to wake her up in the night and accuse her of murdering her mother, he shine a torch in her face and drag her out of bed by the hair, along the corridor and into the kitchen, where he would beat her.....while in a drunken temper.  On the Christmas Eve, he gave his children 15 shillings to go shopping for Christmas.  They bought a tree and some trimmings and gifts for their father and each other.  The little girl did all the hard work, to the shops, take the baby to nursery, bath the children, fetch the coal and take the laundry.....He even made he have her cat put down, but she let it escape, but it came home, so he beat her and slashed her fingers with a knife....he was a cruel sod.  Anyway, back to Christmas eve, he came home drunk and again he fetched her out of bed and bust her nose open, blacked her eyes, kicked her in the back.....she could not move till after the 1st week in January and he even put her presents in the coal shed so she could not have them....

Eventually, a social worker must have found out about the cruelty and when the little girl came home with the baby all the suitcases were packed....The SW told her that the 3 boys were going away for a while and the baby was going somewhere else....The little girl wondered what was to become of her whilst her nasty father was ill.......She kissed the boys bye bye and then kissed the baby and they rubbed noses and away she went.....Then suddenly the girl realised they were not coming back and she ran after the baby but they had gone....she ran and ran and screamed after her little sister.....

Sad to say she spent the next 4 years in care and at 16 she married and had 3 children, but the marriage failed and she found herself homeless.  But, a stroke of luck happened and she met and married an architect and now lives in Scotland.....She wrote a sequel to the book I have read this week....but tonight I found this....and It made me cry....and realise how lucky I am....Its a really sad story.  :'(

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/author-pleads-burglar-return-locket-2021801
Can't bear it Patti, I try to not read stuff like that, too harrowing.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 13, 2013, 12:35:AM
If alive,I still believe Maddie is in Morocco. Just a gut feeling.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 13, 2013, 12:38:AM
untill he see proof shes dead ill continue to believe shes alive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 11:44:AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-british-man-arrested-2366183
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 13, 2013, 01:26:PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-british-man-arrested-2366183

Wow, I just hope that this, if Maddie is indeed alive, will not jeapardize whatever level of safety she has in her situation!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 13, 2013, 01:40:PM
It just shows how behind our reporting is.I posted this on the 6th of this month out of an Australian newspaper.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 13, 2013, 01:50:PM
It just shows how behind our reporting is.I posted this on the 6th of this month out of an Australian newspaper.




So if anyone wants news first hand,,go to News.Au. They're 24 hours ahead of us anyway. Read tomorrows news,today. ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 03:50:PM
It just shows how behind our reporting is.I posted this on the 6th of this month out of an Australian newspaper.

Sorry Lookout must have missed your post... :(

Alias do you live in Holland? I can't remember....if so its going to be covered there and Germany.  :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 13, 2013, 03:51:PM
Hello Patti

think Alias lives in Denmark.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 03:52:PM
Hello Patti

think Alias lives in Denmark.

Arrr thank you Susan..... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 13, 2013, 09:27:PM
Scotland Yard have changed the timeline in the case and are focussing on the period around when GM made his check on the children at around 9.05pm. Are they thinking that abductor was already in the apartment? What I have never really understood is why GM entered by way of the front door using his key,when everyone else used the unlocked patio door in order to enter and check on the children?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 13, 2013, 09:32:PM
i still think the abductor had a key.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 10:20:PM
I suspect it will be Jane Tanners evidence within the timeline that might be changed.  What I mean is that she said she saw Gerry and Jez Wilkins chatting and as she approached the top of junction she saw a man crossing the road with a child..... Neither men saw a thing.  Could it be that she was mistaken at this point?

I suppose we will find out tomorrow.

I've always thought that whoever took her, must have either had a key and worked at the complex or were watching from various view points and knew the patio door was left unlocked.  Whoever it was must have been in close proximity at the time....

If you believe the Smiths evidence then surely must suggest someone without transport, otherwise the abductor would have took her and gone almost immediately.  Its either a holiday maker or a local...It could also be that if they did have a vehicle it was distinctive and that would give reason for it to have been parked at a different location other that near the complex.... :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 13, 2013, 10:46:PM
Check made at 9:30pm, is the key moment in the time line of events, two male members of tapas group leave tapas bar together, volunteering to check apartment 5A...

it will be interesting if the mobile telephones of these two men have been tracked traced, and or linked to other members of the group, or to any suspect in the case...

The check made at 9.30pm, was the first time anyone other than the McCanns had gone back to check their apartment, and on this occasion, Kate revealed to both men that the patio door had been left unlocked - it would be a remarkable coincidence that all of these circumstances were prevalent, and it all coincided with the disappearance of Maddie, between just after 9pm, and 10pm that night...

Jane Tanners sighting is a red herring...

Tanner is linked to one of the men away from the tapas bar at the material time when Maddie went missing - she had a motive to make up a story about seeing a man carrying a child off in a direction going away from the apartment block, in the opposite direction to where the Smith family contingent saw a man carrying a young child in his arms heading in the general direction of the coastal road / footpath...

if others were involved in Maddies disappearance, police will find links with those from the group who took part in it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 11:01:PM
Check made at 9:30pm, is the key moment in the time line of events, two male members of tapas group leave tapas bar together, volunteering to check apartment 5A...

it will be interesting if the mobile telephones of these two men have been tracked traced, and or linked to other members of the group, or to any suspect in the case...

The check made at 9.30pm, was the first time anyone other than the McCanns had gone back to check their apartment, and on this occasion, Kate revealed to both men that the patio door had been left unlocked - it would be a remarkable coincidence that all of these circumstances were prevalent, and it all coincided with the disappearance of Maddie, between just after 9pm, and 10pm that night...

Jane Tanners sighting is a red herring...

Tanner is linked to one of the men away from the tapas bar at the material time when Maddie went missing - she had a motive to make up a story about seeing a man carrying a child off in a direction going away from the apartment block, in the opposite direction to where the Smith family contingent saw a man carrying a young child in his arms heading in the general direction of the coastal road / footpath...

if others were involved in Maddies disappearance, police will find links with those from the group who took part in it...

Mike yes both men did leave together, but only one of them checked apartment 5A according to their statements.  The revelation of the patio door being open could of course have been heard by anyone who was near the party that night.

I don't think Jane Tanner had any ulterior motive at all. Her partner did not return because one of the little ones were being sick.  She went back to the apartment to releave him so he could eat his dinner.

We shall see what happens tomorrow eh?  :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 11:20:PM
Here are the e-fit photo's that Scotland have released....

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 13, 2013, 11:23:PM
Are people just going to forget the cadaver & blood dogs?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 11:41:PM
Are people just going to forget the cadaver & blood dogs?

Hi Roch :)

Most people believe that the dogs found blood from Madeline. This is not so, the dogs can detect cadaver and blood, but what they can't do is tell you who it belongs too.....Plus its inadmissible in our courts, I believe.

When one of the dogs went into the car park and smelled something of Madeline's and barked at the wall, front passenger seat of the car and the boot.  Most people including the dog owner would say that the dog had smelled something, but you have to remember that anything that belonged to Madeline was also handled by her mother.....I have much respect for these dogs, I just wished they could talk.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 13, 2013, 11:45:PM
Hi Patti. Was one of the dogs not a cadaver dog, trained only to scent corpses? X
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2013, 11:53:PM
Hi Patti. Was one of the dogs not a cadaver dog, trained only to scent corpses? X

Yes it was Roch.  I think they can smell cadaver for many years after up to 30 years or maybe more.  I can't explain that one away, because I don't know much about how it all works.  I do believe that it was argued that because they are doctor's and been with people who had died that this smell could have transferred from clothing... :-\ :-\ :)

I was just about to close down and saw your post....Night Roch... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on October 14, 2013, 08:16:AM
The poor lass may indeed be no more? But I still think the police are doing a great job in their investigative work on this case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 14, 2013, 08:25:AM
Yes it was Roch.  I think they can smell cadaver for many years after up to 30 years or maybe more.  I can't explain that one away, because I don't know much about how it all works.  I do believe that it was argued that because they are doctor's and been with people who had died that this smell could have transferred from clothing... :-\ :-\ :)

I was just about to close down and saw your post....Night Roch... :) :) :) :)

Hi Patti.

That's an interesting theory, re the doctors and dead bodies. Is it possible somebody could embed the cadaver dogs video from youtube? I cant do this from my phone (atrocious IT skills). In the video, we see the hire car checked, items of the McCann's checked and the apartment checked. One dog is cadaver and one blood. I think the blood dog gives a passive reading in the apartment, at the same place (between back of sofa and window) as the cadaver dog previously indicated. I know that the evidence is inadmissible in court but personally, I've always felt it was damning. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 14, 2013, 09:59:AM
If the new police investigation intends to leave no stone unturned, I expect them to visit the grounds of the derelict building identified by me as a place of signicance, I expect the police to sieze the clothing, the single mattress in the pink room, and other items found at the scene. I expect the mounds of garden waste and rubble will be sifted through, and the hole in the ground which I have previously pinpointed as the place where those responsible disposed of the body, is excavated - DNA of the suspects, and Maddie will be found here, where I photographed "THE GHOST OF MADDIE", the truth is about to be revealed relating to what really happened to her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 14, 2013, 11:53:AM
I have much respect for these dogs, I just wished they could talk.... :) :) :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vh5ObkBM3c
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 11:59:AM
Initials of the guy----------CR,,Patti.? Remember him.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 14, 2013, 12:43:PM
The Crimewatch cliffhanger ad with the dramatic music that ends with the promise of "revelation" to keep us in suspense is embarrassing, this isn't a soap opera or a tv drama, a little girl is missing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 14, 2013, 01:00:PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf4wVANuNRY
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 14, 2013, 01:19:PM
I am afraid I cannot - not unless I buy new equipment before Monday night!

Hi Alias

Assuming it is available on iplayer, which I'm sure it will be,
I should be able to post the link for you to watch?  Unless of course you're based in N.Korea where everything is censored? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 14, 2013, 01:36:PM
Policia Judiciaria Martin Grimes report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Policia Judiciaria Eddie & Keela Report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

Car search video:



Items and apartment search:


I am unsure of what kind of reception the McCann's receive in Portugal but I do think that many Portugese people are likely to believe that sadly, Maddy is dead.  Not sure what to make of this latest round of news frenzy and the arrest.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 01:57:PM
Initials of the guy----------CR,,Patti.? Remember him.?

Ridout?????????? Yes I do remember him Lookout. He was arrested and questioned at one point.  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 02:24:PM
Roch/All :0

I suppose we all have different opinions on this case and its a matter of what you believe happened on the night Madeline disappeared. Like in the Bamber case we have to look at the evidence in what was provided to us. 

The first thing is that from the onset the crime scene was not cordoned off. The reason for this is because the police sent traffic cops to apartment 5A and they had no idea how to handle a crime scene. The PJ did not turn up till the following morning in the early hours.  This meant that any forensic evidence gained from the apartment was minimal.

The dogs played a key part in tracing blood and cadaver, but this is inadmissible in a British court.  Simply because its unsafe to convict on a dog bark alone....It would be ridiculous to do so.  The fact that our own police have dismissed this evidence, or should I say don't play on this evidence, tells me that its not that significant in finding out what happened to Madeline.

The key evidence in this case is the Smith's evidence which might feature on tonight's program.  Here we have several adults seeing a man carrying a child, a man that has never come forward despite world wide coverage of the case. Timing is important and its important to remember that when the Smith's saw this man both Madeline's parents were in the apartment. 

I think the hype of tonight's crimewatch is to attract as many viewer's as possible.  Tomorrow it will be shown in Holland and on Wednesday Germany.

I have faith in what Scotland Yard are up to, because I feel the whole investigation from the beginning was poor.  Its not about money its about a little girl that is missing from her family.   :(

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 02:33:PM
Ridout?????????? Yes I do remember him Lookout. He was arrested and questioned at one point.  :)





Hi Patti,,yes. If they'd showed a profile as well,then I'd have said without a doubt,because he's got a nose you could hang a kettle on.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 14, 2013, 02:35:PM
Roch/All :0

I suppose we all have different opinions on this case and its a matter of what you believe happened on the night Madeline disappeared. Like in the Bamber case we have to look at the evidence in what was provided to us. 

The first thing is that from the onset the crime scene was not cordoned off. The reason for this is because the police sent traffic cops to apartment 5A and they had no idea how to handle a crime scene. The PJ did not turn up till the following morning in the early hours.  This meant that any forensic evidence gained from the apartment was minimal.

The dogs played a key part in tracing blood and cadaver, but this is inadmissible in a British court.  Simply because its unsafe to convict on a dog bark alone....It would be ridiculous to do so.  The fact that our own police have dismissed this evidence, or should I say don't play on this evidence, tells me that its not that significant in finding out what happened to Madeline.

The key evidence in this case is the Smith's evidence which might feature on tonight's program.  Here we have several adults seeing a man carrying a child, a man that has never come forward despite world wide coverage of the case. Timing is important and its important to remember that when the Smith's saw this man both Madeline's parents were in the apartment. 

I think the hype of tonight's crimewatch is to attract as many viewer's as possible.  Tomorrow it will be shown in Holland and on Wednesday Germany.

I have faith in what Scotland Yard are up to, because I feel the whole investigation from the beginning was poor.  Its not about money its about a little girl that is missing from her family.   :(

Hi Patti,

They could have been charged in Portugal though (I think?).  As far as I am aware the dogs were not trained to scent Madeleine's belongings.  They are trained to hone in on the odour left either by dead body or from blood traces.
I cannot see how the cadaver dog could provide a positive indication in the apartment between sofa and window, unless a dead body had at some point existed there.  If we go down the route of viewing the dog as having made an error, we are presented with the problem that the other dog trained to only scent blood gave a passive indication in the same spot.

Like you say, we all have different opinions.  I'm with the Portugese cops and the dogs. I think she died and somebody knows something about it. 


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 02:40:PM
Policia Judiciaria Martin Grimes report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Policia Judiciaria Eddie & Keela Report:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

Car search video:

<iframe width=\"420\" height=\"315\" src=\"//www.youtube.com/embed/FTF4JTLeOWA\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Items and apartment search:

<iframe width=\"420\" height=\"315\" src=\"//www.youtube.com/embed/8lrrMoUr3OA\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I am unsure of what kind of reception the McCann's receive in Portugal but I do think that many Portugese people are likely to believe that sadly, Maddy is dead.  Not sure what to make of this latest round of news frenzy and the arrest.







Hi Roch,,there is always the question of who had that hire car before the McCanns,,,and I don't think we ever found that out.
When the car was taken for testing,,it was actually driven away by one of the PJ's,,not wearing any protectve/forensic suiting,,and on one of his boots,there was a bloodstain which he also took into the car.
Instead of a specialised vehicle to use in transporting the car,,it was driven as I'd described above.
No caution was taken in the investigation,either by the police or forensic team.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 14, 2013, 02:52:PM






Hi Roch,,there is always the question of who had that hire car before the McCanns,,,and I don't think we ever found that out.
When the car was taken for testing,,it was actually driven away by one of the PJ's,,not wearing any protectve/forensic suiting,,and on one of his boots,there was a bloodstain which he also took into the car.
Instead of a specialised vehicle to use in transporting the car,,it was driven as I'd described above.
No caution was taken in the investigation,either by the police or forensic team.

I understand your point about the police officer.  Though it was the cadaver dog that checked the hire car and traced cadaver scent, as opposed to blood dog / blood scent.  Regarding the hire car itself...  It would have to be a particularly macabre vehicle to have been used to transport another body altogether while being previously hired out to other people, then also find itself at the 'scentre' of the McCann case?  It's the same with the apartment.  How likely is it that the McCann's just happened to be accommodated in an apartment where another, different, previous body had lain insitu?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 03:05:PM
I understand your point about the police officer.  Though it was the cadaver dog that checked the hire car and traced cadaver scent, as opposed to blood dog / blood scent.  Regarding the hire car itself...  It would have to be a particularly macabre vehicle to have been used to transport another body altogether while being previously hired out to other people, then also find itself at the 'scentre' of the McCann case?  It's the same with the apartment.  How likely is it that the McCann's just happened to be accommodated in an apartment where another, different, previous body had lain insitu?







Roch,,the cadaver scent could also have been emanating from Kates' clothes as prior to their holidays,,she had attended to 6 deaths. No matter how much Kates' garments,etc would have been laundered/dry-cleaned,,the smell would still have been permeated in whatever she wore for a long time after.
The same dog was used around the PDL area but didn't detect anything untoward.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 14, 2013, 03:11:PM






Roch,,the cadaver scent could also have been emanating from Kates' clothes as prior to their holidays,,she had attended to 6 deaths. No matter how much Kates' garments,etc would have been laundered/dry-cleaned,,the smell would still have been permeated in whatever she wore for a long time after.
The same dog was used around the PDL area but didn't detect anything untoward.

Hi Lookout,

Again I can see your point.  However that would imply that Kate wore the same clothing for attending deaths as she did for holidaying in Portugal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 03:14:PM




Hi Patti,,yes. If they'd showed a profile as well,then I'd have said without a doubt,because he's got a nose you could hang a kettle on.

He fled PDL that night Lookout and travelled into Spain and left his car in Saville. Apparently he worked at a bar near where Madeline disappeared..200 yrds....it was said.  He is on the run from what I gather and not been seen since the 3rd of May......So I was wrong about him being arrested???????????
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on October 14, 2013, 03:23:PM
Roch/All :0

I suppose we all have different opinions on this case and its a matter of what you believe happened on the night Madeline disappeared. Like in the Bamber case we have to look at the evidence in what was provided to us. 

The first thing is that from the onset the crime scene was not cordoned off. The reason for this is because the police sent traffic cops to apartment 5A and they had no idea how to handle a crime scene. The PJ did not turn up till the following morning in the early hours.  This meant that any forensic evidence gained from the apartment was minimal.

The dogs played a key part in tracing blood and cadaver, but this is inadmissible in a British court.  Simply because its unsafe to convict on a dog bark alone....It would be ridiculous to do so.  The fact that our own police have dismissed this evidence, or should I say don't play on this evidence, tells me that its not that significant in finding out what happened to Madeline.  
The key evidence in this case is the Smith's evidence which might feature on tonight's program.  Here we have several adults seeing a man carrying a child, a man that has never come forward despite world wide coverage of the case. Timing is important and its important to remember that when the Smith's saw this man both Madeline's parents were in the apartment. 

I think the hype of tonight's crimewatch is to attract as many viewer's as possible.  Tomorrow it will be shown in Holland and on Wednesday Germany.

I have faith in what Scotland Yard are up to, because I feel the whole investigation from the beginning was poor.  Its not about money its about a little girl that is missing from her family.   :(



The dogs were owned and trained by South Yorkshire Police Force!

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id157.html

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 03:27:PM
I understand your point about the police officer.  Though it was the cadaver dog that checked the hire car and traced cadaver scent, as opposed to blood dog / blood scent.  Regarding the hire car itself...  It would have to be a particularly macabre vehicle to have been used to transport another body altogether while being previously hired out to other people, then also find itself at the 'scentre' of the McCann case?  It's the same with the apartment.  How likely is it that the McCann's just happened to be accommodated in an apartment where another, different, previous body had lain insitu?

Hi Roch the car was examined forensically and there were no trace of Madeline ever being in it. Not an hair or DNA.....

The hire car its self could have even had a dead animal in it at some point and was used by hundreds of people during its hired life. Its impossible to determine who's cadaver the dog smelled, and having been forensically tested the whole dog incident was shelved.

It was the same in the apartment many people had stayed in it and there are many statements in the archives that support those that had stayed has nose bleeds etc......so its really impossible to say....IF you take into account that Madeline's DNA was found in the apartment then yes, she stayed there of course her DNA would be there. 

There is absolutely no evidence to say she died in the apartment or that she is dead or alive, just as there isn't any evidence that she was abducted. The only thing we have is 6 witnesses saying they saw a man carrying a child at the time Madeline went missing......and this man has never come forward and, for this I go with the abduction theory.  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 03:30:PM
He fled PDL that night Lookout and travelled into Spain and left his car in Saville. Apparently he worked at a bar near where Madeline disappeared..200 yrds....it was said.  He is on the run from what I gather and not been seen since the 3rd of May......So I was wrong about him being arrested???????????





Patti,,he took off to the USA,and set himself up as a photographer ( I bet he did ) anyway,,not that long ago,,,looking older than in his DJ days,,he was " accosted " by one of our own resident reporters/journos' who asked him some questions,,which the guy was none too comfortable with---------like " weren't you wanted for questioning regarding sending texts to a 12 year old girl,etc " Why he was arrested there and then,I don't know. You've then got all this red tale with jurisdiction in another country then.
Secondly,,there was a German chap who drove a blue Mercedes Vita,with a caravan in tow,who was also in PDL at the same time that Madeleine was stolen,,but I've forgotten,or didn't see what he looked like.
I can't help thinking that Hewlett figures somewhere,,with his crummy past,German wife and finally the fact that he ended his life in a German hospital.
Whatever will be revealed tonight will shake up my memory.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 14, 2013, 03:34:PM
What ever happened with the South African fella who claims he discovered human remains under Murat's drive? Why is Murat against the digging if he has nothing to hide? Or even more baffling, why is Gerry or Kate "We'll leave no stone unturned" McCann totally against the digging?

Reminds me of their complete dismissal of the dog evidence. Surely any innocent parent would be interested in the dog discoveries and instantly consider it pretty substantial evidence of an abductor hurting Madeleine in the apartment. Instead they go out of their way to discredit sniffer dogs. Then again, if innocent, this could be put down to being in denial that their daughter is infact dead.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 03:35:PM
Hi Lookout,

Again I can see your point.  However that would imply that Kate wore the same clothing for attending deaths as she did for holidaying in Portugal?




Roch,,but the smell of cadaver with one of these dogs is like a woman wearing Chanel. The smell is everywhere and nothing will remove it from a dogs' highly sensitive olfactory,which is about 100 times more powerful than ours.
Even if Kate worse the same clothes in six months after numerous washes,,to a cadaver dog it would have been like last week.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 03:38:PM
One thing these dogs can't do,,is to tell you who the body is. The same with the blood dogs.Yes,,they could smell blood in the car/apartment,,but whose blood was it.? The rest was down to forensics,,,who made a hash of things anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 14, 2013, 03:42:PM
One thing these dogs can't do,,is to tell you who the body is.

Where there many previous reports of deaths/murders/missing persons who had stayed in that apartment and disappeared from the face of the earth?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 03:50:PM
Where there many previous reports of deaths/murders/missing persons who had stayed in that apartment and disappeared from the face of the earth?





Lithium,,I seem to remember something about that particular apartment,,underneath a part of the floor. I must try and find what it was,,but there was talk ( as there usually is in cases such as this ) of a " cellar-like " compartment,but I don't think it was ever explored,,as there was every chance it could just have been hearsay at the time,in order to incriminate the McCanns.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 03:53:PM
What ever happened with the South African fella who claims he discovered human remains under Murat's drive? Why is Murat against the digging if he has nothing to hide? Or even more baffling, why is Gerry or Kate "We'll leave no stone unturned" McCann totally against the digging?

Reminds me of their complete dismissal of the dog evidence. Surely any innocent parent would be interested in the dog discoveries and instantly consider it pretty substantial evidence of an abductor hurting Madeleine in the apartment. Instead they go out of their way to discredit sniffer dogs. Then again, if innocent, this could be put down to being in denial that their daughter is infact dead.

Hi Lithium :0

Because he is a nut case and obsessed with the case and no one takes him seriously with his invention...We have a man that claims he as invented a body finding machine. He trespasses on Murat's property and states Madeline is buried under the drive a drive that had been laid for years....Would you believe him? 

On saying that though I am aware that there is such equipment used by the police and that it was used on the moors recently when looking for the remains of Keith Bennett.  So in all fairness I might be one sided about this....

The other thing is that its up to the police to investigate and surely Kate not Gerry have a no say when it comes to unearthing vital information regarding a missing child..... :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 04:00:PM




Lithium,,I seem to remember something about that particular apartment,,underneath a part of the floor. I must try and find what it was,,but there was talk ( as there usually is in cases such as this ) of a " cellar-like " compartment,but I don't think it was ever explored,,as there was every chance it could just have been hearsay at the time,in order to incriminate the McCanns.

I think that was Murat's home Lookout.  The architect who supplied plans of the villa said there was an empty room of some kind underneath the villa.  I can't remember anything about a void under the apartment....Although PDL is built on various tunnels and undergrounds..... :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 04:06:PM
I think that was Murat's home Lookout.  The architect who supplied plans of the villa said there was an empty room of some kind underneath the villa.  I can't remember anything about a void under the apartment....Although PDL is built on various tunnels and undergrounds..... :)




Yes,,Patti,,I've just had a scout around and thought of Murats' cellar which he was slow to admit that it existed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 14, 2013, 04:08:PM
Hi Lithium :0

Because he is a nut case and obsessed with the case and no one takes him seriously with his invention...We have a man that claims he as invented a body finding machine. He trespasses on Murat's property and states Madeline is buried under the drive a drive that had been laid for years....Would you believe him? 

On saying that though I am aware that there is such equipment used by the police and that it was used on the moors recently when looking for the remains of Keith Bennett.  So in all fairness I might be one sided about this....

The other thing is that its up to the police to investigate and surely Kate not Gerry have a no say when it comes to unearthing vital information regarding a missing child..... :)


Unless I am mistaken this man is a reputable and successful businessman and not an inventor. I believe he paid £50,000 for the ground-scanning machine. His findings have also been confirmed by independent experts who agree they warrant a dig. The area his machine detected was 2 feet under a ground that was laid in 2008.

Whether Kate and Gerry have the 'official' say in what happens or not is irrelevant, if I were them and a heard a machine detected a body in the drive of the very first suspect in the disappearance of my daughter (a person 3 of my friends identified, Jane Tanner even attempted to finger Murat as the man she saw carrying the child), I'd be vocal about wanting it investigated. "no stone unturned" etc.

This is the same couple who hired the "body finder"Danie Krügel  in July 2007.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id304.html
This person invented his own machine, maybe that's what you're thinking of. (also South African)
(Why did the McCanns pay for this guy so early on to come in and use a machine to help find where the body is buried, only to go on and dismiss any suggestion that she is dead? )

I believe Kate's response to Stephen Birch (the businessman who paid for his machine, not invent it) was along the lines of "who even is this guy?", there's your thanks for spending 50k of your hard-earned and traveling across the world to investigate her daughters disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 04:22:PM

Unless I am mistaken this man is a reputable and successful businessman and not an inventor. I believe he paid £50,000 for the ground-scanning machine. His findings have also been confirmed by independent experts who agree they warrant a dig. The area his machine detected was 2 feet under a ground that was laid in 2008.

Whether Kate and Gerry have the 'official' say in what happens or not is irrelevant, if I were them and a heard a machine detected a body in the drive of the very first suspect in the disappearance of my daughter (a person 3 of my friends identified, Jane Tanner even attempted to finger Murat as the man she saw carrying the child), I'd be vocal about wanting it investigated. "no stone unturned" etc.

This is the same couple who hired the "body finder"Danie Krügel  in July 2007.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id304.html
This person invented his own machine, maybe that's what you're thinking of. (also South African)
(Why did the McCanns pay for this guy so early on to come in and use a machine to help find where the body is buried, only to go on and dismiss any suggestion that she is dead? )

I believe Kate's response to Stephen Birch (the businessman who paid for his machine, not invent it) was along the lines of "who even is this guy?", there's your thanks for spending 50k of your hard-earned and traveling across the world to investigate her daughters disappearance.

Lithium they are press reports aren't they? I'll take a look at it, because its been a long time since I looked at this case.

I'm keeping an open mind at the moment and will wait till I see what part of the timeline they have changed.....I think on the whole many will be disappointed by tonight's program....Its a feeling I have.   :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 04:34:PM
The man is a crack pot and did conduct his own search and has no connection to Gerry and Kate....The press is over the top....Please use this site for research... :) :) :)

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/63july12/CORREIO_DA_MANHA1_08_07_2012.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 05:25:PM
Lithium they are press reports aren't they? I'll take a look at it, because its been a long time since I looked at this case.

I'm keeping an open mind at the moment and will wait till I see what part of the timeline they have changed.....I think on the whole many will be disappointed by tonight's program....Its a feeling I have.   :)





Hi Patti,,I'm not anticipating too much regarding the programme either,,considering that it's another complex case where they won't have included many of the things that indeed we know ourselves. It would take more than an hour to sift through the reams of information that there is,,and they probably won't show much more than we already know. So the idea is,,not to expect too much at this juncture.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 05:36:PM




Hi Patti,,I'm not anticipating too much regarding the programme either,,considering that it's another complex case where they won't have included many of the things that indeed we know ourselves. It would take more than an hour to sift through the reams of information that there is,,and they probably won't show much more than we already know. So the idea is,,not to expect too much at this juncture.

Hi Lookout....I can't but help feel that this should have been done 6 years ago by our police.  The same applies to Ben Needham. They are British children gone missing abroad which does not mean that because they disappeared abroad our police should not investigate thoroughly.

I'll gather a timeline together in a bit and post it.....I wish I had my old one...Do you still have one?????
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 06:35:PM
A quick timeline from approx 8:30 all times are approx.

All arrived at the Tapas Bar for 9:00

8;25 Gerry and Kate arrive
8:30 Jane arrives for dinner
8:45 Russell Jane's partner arrives.
8:45 Mathew and his partner leave for the tapas bar
9:00 David and Fiona arrive

Visits to the Children

9:05 Gerry leaves to do his check. He sees' Madeline. 
9:15 Jane T leaves to do her check and sees Gerry and Jez chatting and also sees a man carrying a child walking across the top of the road.
9:35 Russell and Matthew go. Russell stays at his apartment because one of the children has woken up
Matthew checks on the McCann children he sees the twins but does not enter the room.
9:45 Jane T goes back to her apartment
9:50 Russell returns back to the Tapas Bar
10:00 Kate goes to check. 


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 14, 2013, 06:59:PM
Maddie:- "Thank you. Mr Mike, I am coming home"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 14, 2013, 07:25:PM
Hi Alias

Assuming it is available on iplayer, which I'm sure it will be,
I should be able to post the link for you to watch?  Unless of course you're based in N.Korea where everything is censored?

Thanks, NN, if it is required that I have a smartphone, I am afraid that is not possible, I don´t have one right now. Very kind of you, and thanks Patti, for the computer-pictures. One of the men looks like an Egyptian I have come across here in Copenhagen - not a nice type, but unlikely it is him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 07:41:PM
Thanks, NN, if it is required that I have a smartphone, I am afraid that is not possible, I don´t have one right now. Very kind of you, and thanks Patti, for the computer-pictures. One of the men looks like an Egyptian I have come across here in Copenhagen - not a nice type, but unlikely it is him.

You're very welcome Alias. Hopefully, it will be on youtube at some point.... ;D

I'm a little annoyed as to why it wont be shown in Portugal and its not even made front-line news.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 08:36:PM
Alias you might be able to watch it from here.....People in Belgium are using this tonight.... ;D ;D ;D

http://www.filmon.com/tv/bbc-one
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 14, 2013, 08:39:PM
Alias you might be able to watch it from here.....People in Belgium are using this tonight.... ;D ;D ;D

http://www.filmon.com/tv/bbc-one

You are a gem - I have a picture, ads for now. WHOOOP WHOOP! When is it on?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 08:44:PM
You are a gem - I have a picture, ads for now. WHOOOP WHOOP! When is it on?

Yep that is it.....its on in about 17 minutes.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 14, 2013, 08:50:PM
Yep that is it.....its on in about 17 minutes.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

I want to hug you! I am hugging you now!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 08:51:PM
I want to hug you! I am hugging you now!!!  ;D ;D ;D

ohhhhhhhhhhhh I wondered who had just grabbed hold of me lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D Enjoy!  ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 09:31:PM
Patti,,those two guys who were in that flat.? A " cleaning firm " from the UK.? Remember.? Murat was the " letter " of the flats.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 14, 2013, 09:45:PM
It gave me chills when the McCanns said that Maddie had actually said to them at breakfast the morning of the night she disappeared: where were you when we were crying last night?
I don´t want to bash them, but how could they leave the children alone after that?? - And just in general!
Could Maddie have woken up, found that her parents were out AGAIN, and walked off alone to find her them that fateful night? It´s a possibility. Doesn´t explain the open window though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 09:54:PM
Patti,,those two guys who were in that flat.? A " cleaning firm " from the UK.? Remember.? Murat was the " letter " of the flats.
I can give you all the names of the cleaners....But I don't know of a UK firm of cleaners that were in the apartment....The only thing I can recall is that someone had been in to mend the parents window and could have mended the washer.....Other than than I am not sure what you mean.....

So we have it then that it was JT's timeline that was the focus point on tonight's CW.....I'd always said that you could not have one walking east and another walking in the south west....unless of course he about turned....Not sure if there is an update later on tonight.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 14, 2013, 10:09:PM
10.35 the update,Patti. Yes,,that was more like it. Do we know about Jez Wilkins.? He was the guy that Gerry stopped to talk to when that chap walked along carrying a child.
 
The cleaning firm were in a white van I think.

What wasn't mentioned was the near robbery in that womans' flat/apartment.What was her name,,and did she give a description because the guy was brazenly inside her home.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 14, 2013, 10:27:PM
10.35 the update,Patti. Yes,,that was more like it. Do we know about Jez Wilkins.? He was the guy that Gerry stopped to talk to when that chap walked along carrying a child.
 
The cleaning firm were in a white van I think.

What wasn't mentioned was the near robbery in that womans' flat/apartment.What was her name,,and did she give a description because the guy was brazenly inside her home.

One white van belonged to the British musician who was at the time sleeping in it near the beach, and the other one belonged to the pool attendant who was Murat's  girlfriends husband....

No mention of them tonight....One last thing before I go up the apples and pears is that why didn't the PJ discover that the man walking across the road was someone from the creche? Also I am amazed that the man never came forward to say it was him....I find this odd to be honest.....why is he walking towards the creche and not away from it.....mind boggles.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on October 14, 2013, 11:02:PM
The Crimewatch cliffhanger ad with the dramatic music that ends with the promise of "revelation" to keep us in suspense is embarrassing, this isn't a soap opera or a tv drama, a little girl is missing.
I agree that it seems inappropriate, but it works!

It would most probably have got the Eastenders viewership to tune in.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 15, 2013, 10:28:AM
Sorry,but I didn't think the programme was worth all the hype and frenzy that it stirred up. And also,I felt it threw up even more questions regarding the tapas group.It was all really rather odd.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 15, 2013, 10:35:AM
Hello tyler  I was kinda disappointed in the programme on Maddie :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 01:21:PM
Sorry,but I didn't think the programme was worth all the hype and frenzy that it stirred up. And also,I felt it threw up even more questions regarding the tapas group.It was all really rather odd.





I agree,tyler,,though I wasn't expecting it to be very bowelgripping stuff,,literally only going over old ground really with a slightly different take on the case as a whole. No further on except that I think they know who their man is,,but in making certain,,have asked the public to name him so that notes can be compared. His name will become known in due course I suppose,,to be eliminated.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 15, 2013, 03:31:PM
Thanks, NN, if it is required that I have a smartphone, I am afraid that is not possible, I don´t have one right now. Very kind of you, and thanks Patti, for the computer-pictures. One of the men looks like an Egyptian I have come across here in Copenhagen - not a nice type, but unlikely it is him.

Hi Alias

No you dont need a smartphone just an internet connection, monitor and speakers  :) 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03dz7yj/Crimewatch_14_10_2013/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 04:42:PM
Well, the reconstruction has come and gone...
Just as I said, the Jane Tanner sighting was nothing but a red herring...

The Smith family sighting being the only truly reliable last public sighting of Mad's to date - there she was, being carried off held in arms she had previously trusted...
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 15, 2013, 05:01:PM
The e-fits look like Gerry McCann to me. The Smiths believe it was Gerry McCann they saw carrying a 'sleeping' child to the ocean. Would Gerry have been sitting at the Tapas bar at 10pm? Anybody ever confirm this?

Has Jane Tanner been vindicated then since the man she saw exists and she didn't make him up?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 05:17:PM
The e-fits look like Gerry McCann to me. The Smiths believe it was Gerry McCann they saw carrying a 'sleeping' child to the ocean. Would Gerry have been sitting at the Tapas bar at 10pm? Anybody ever confirm this?

Has Jane Tanner been vindicated then since the man she saw exists and she didn't make him up?

Slowly, slowly, catch ye monkey...

I have much to say...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 05:31:PM
Facts...

(1) - Jane Tanner and Kate McCann were present in the apartment block (5) when the alarm was raised...

(2) - the steel shutter and the bedroom window was not forced open by anyone from the outside, but unlocked and raised by someone from the inside...

(3) - Robert Murat was not seen hanging around apartment block 5 on the evening of Mad's disappearance, the person who was seen on that occasion, was lookalike, David Payne...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on October 15, 2013, 05:56:PM
The e-fits look like Gerry McCann to me. The Smiths believe it was Gerry McCann they saw carrying a 'sleeping' child to the ocean. Would Gerry have been sitting at the Tapas bar at 10pm? Anybody ever confirm this?

Has Jane Tanner been vindicated then since the man she saw exists and she didn't make him up?


I, too, thought it was bizarre that they went with the Smith's sighting, when they only came forward after believing it was Gerry, after seeing him on the news carrying his twin off the plane and recognised him!

Why appeal for witnesses when the witnesses have already made statements?

Regarding Jane Tanner's sighting, they showed him walking 'towards' the creche, when the guy/father said he had collected his child from there.

I don't think they said anything that different in the programme.

I thought the BBC were meant to be impartial ( ::)), but I felt that Kirsty Young, at the start of the programme, was telling viewers off, saying people had even blamed the parents, and we should keep an open mind.  Reminded me of David Boutflour on the documentary about JB telling us all to stop believing JB was innocent.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 15, 2013, 06:09:PM
The e-fits look like Gerry McCann to me. The Smiths believe it was Gerry McCann they saw carrying a 'sleeping' child to the ocean. Would Gerry have been sitting at the Tapas bar at 10pm? Anybody ever confirm this?

Has Jane Tanner been vindicated then since the man she saw exists and she didn't make him up?
I thought that Kate said that when GM went to do his check that he was gone for 'ages' and she thought that he may have got side tracked with sport on the tv?
I too thought that the e-fit looked like GM.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 06:10:PM
Just been reading the Aussie newspaper and there are 4 photofits of different men than the one we have here.? Seemingly,,there's a gang of men,,not one.! ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on October 15, 2013, 06:14:PM
Just been reading the Aussie newspaper and there are 4 photofits of different men than the one we have here.? Seemingly,,there's a gang of men,,not one.! ?


There must be about 20-odd different photofits going around, from 'egg-man', Victoria Beckham look-a-like to bearded, scruffy men etc.

Some people are saying new pic looks like Matt Oldfield or Gerry!   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 06:19:PM

There must be about 20-odd different photofits going around, from 'egg-man', Victoria Beckham look-a-like to bearded, scruffy men etc.

Some people are saying new pic looks like Matt Oldfield or Gerry!   




Aussies' have got a pic like Payne.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 06:23:PM
Saying that,,there are 4 guys who look like Payne,,including himself,,and that's Murat,Symington,Malinka,and of course Payne. You'd think they were quads.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 15, 2013, 06:27:PM
No e-fits on Facebook today. This pic is everywhere instead  :o
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on October 15, 2013, 06:28:PM
Saying that,,there are 4 guys who look like Payne,,including himself,,and that's Murat,Symington,Malinka,and of course Payne. You'd think they were quads.


Yes, I know, I've seen them.  Really odd.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 06:32:PM

Yes, I know, I've seen them.  Really odd.




Uncanny.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 15, 2013, 06:34:PM

Yes, I know, I've seen them.  Really odd.
Don't know who Symington is? But the other three all have something in common other than their looks!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on October 15, 2013, 06:59:PM
No e-fits on Facebook today. This pic is everywhere instead  :o



Have SY seen this photo??
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 07:07:PM
Don't know who Symington is? But the other three all have something in common other than their looks!





Symington is related to Murat. It's to do with a wine business.Malinka did the shipping of it,,he took the helm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 07:38:PM
There was another boat which ran expedition trips.The boat was called " Naomi Corlett ",,and again,Malinka was involved in that along with Stephen Hare and Matthew Fazackerley.
It sailed from Lagos,Portugal. Matthew Fazackerley was last working in Salford,Manchester.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 15, 2013, 07:42:PM
There was another boat which ran expedition trips.The boat was called " Naomi Corlett ",,and again,Malinka was involved in that along with Stephen Hare and Matthew Fazackerley.
It sailed from Lagos,Portugal. Matthew Fazackerley was last working in Salford,Manchester.

That's right and it sailed to portmeo. I'm not sure but I am sure Murat went there the following day and Malinka's girlfriend was there too.... :o
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 15, 2013, 07:47:PM
Hi Alias

No you dont need a smartphone just an internet connection, monitor and speakers  :) 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03dz7yj/Crimewatch_14_10_2013/

Thanks - I saw it here http://www.filmon.com/tv/bbc-one, worked well. Maybe I can use your link another time. :-)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 07:53:PM
That's right and it sailed to portmeo. I'm not sure but I am sure Murat went there the following day and Malinka's girlfriend was there too.... :o




Hi Patti,,did we ever see a pic of Matthew Fazackerley.? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 15, 2013, 08:04:PM



Hi Patti,,did we ever see a pic of Matthew Fazackerley.?

I think we did....not sure if truth be known.....Right I am off to watch Engerland...... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2013, 08:06:PM
Just seen a pic of Matthew Fazackerley,who looks like Malinka,who looks like Murat,who looks like Symington,who looks like Payne. It's really remarkable. That's five of them who resemble each other.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:35:PM
We are now being drip fed information that Mad's wasn't taken from apartment 5A, until 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:37:PM
We are now being drip fed information that Mad's wasn't taken from apartment 5A, until 10pm...

Away from tapas bar, at that stage was, who?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:38:PM
Away from tapas bar, at that stage was, who?

Everybody....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:42:PM
At time alarm is raised, Janer Tanner and Kate McCann, are away from Tapas bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:44:PM
At time alarm is raised, Janer Tanner and Kate McCann, are away from Tapas bar...

Kate runs back to tapas bar to raise the alarm - but what does Tanner do?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:46:PM
Kate runs back to tapas bar, screaming, "they've taken her, Maddie is gone?" - to whom was Kate referring to, when she screamed, this...

Mathew Oldfield / David Payne?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:49:PM
Who actually checked apartment 5A, at 9;30pm?

Oldfield, Payne...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 08:56:PM
Two members of tapas bar leave to go and check apartment 5A, at 9;30pm, only one returns to tapas bar...

If we believe latest reconstruction, Mad's wasn't taken until 10pm, long after one of the two good samaritons returned to the tapas bar, leaving the other free to do whatever might need to have been done, before Kate went to 5A to do her check at 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:01:PM
Two members of tapas bar leave to go and check apartment 5A, at 9;30pm, only one returns to tapas bar...

If we believe latest reconstruction, Mad's wasn't taken until 10pm, long after one of the two good samaritons returned to the tapas bar, leaving the other free to do whatever might need to have been done, before Kate went to 5A to do her check at 10pm...

Good samariton, is replaced by Tanner, before 10pm, Kate does her check and discovers Mad's is gone, by stage between the check of the two good samaritons at 9;30pm and Kate's check at 10pm, but there must have been a point when Tanner and her partner were both away from the tapas bar, at such a crucial stage, that no-one seems prepared to admit to, or to talk about?

Me thinks...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:06:PM
The period between the 9;30pm check by the two good samaritons, and the 10pm check made by Kate McCann, is key to solving the mystery of the disappearance of Mad's...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on October 15, 2013, 09:08:PM

There must be about 20-odd different photofits going around, from 'egg-man', Victoria Beckham look-a-like to bearded, scruffy men etc.

Some people are saying new pic looks like Matt Oldfield or Gerry!   



Facebook are saying one photo (fatter-faced guy)  looks like Gerry!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:09:PM
Somebody is telling lies...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:21:PM
Somebody is telling lies...

Somebody is lying about the steel shutters at the bedroom window, and other related matters, I know lies are being bounded about, because as you know I went to Portugal and stayed at the resort, and conducted various experiments so as to test what the public has been told by the parents regarding the steel shutters at the bedroom window, and the way the curtains are supposed to have blown open when Kate went to reset the bedroom door - I am sorry, but the experiments carried out by me, did not resemble what Kate has described and the way the British police have interpreted those matters...

If the steel shutter had been raised, and the bedroom window open when Kate entered the apartment through the patio door, the curtains would have blown open when Kate entered the bedroom, and moreover, the bedroom door would not have remained ajar, it would have slammed shut because of a vacuum created by bedroom window and patio door being open at the same time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:26:PM
Somebody is lying about the steel shutters at the bedroom window, and other related matters, I know lies are being bounded about, because as you know I went to Portugal and stayed at the resort, and conducted various experiments so as to test what the public has been told by the parents regarding the steel shutters at the bedroom window, and the way the curtains are supposed to have blown open when Kate went to reset the bedroom door - I am sorry, but the experiments carried out by me, did not resemble what Kate has described and the way the British police have interpreted those matters...

If the steel shutter had been raised, and the bedroom window open when Kate entered the apartment through the patio door, the curtains would have blown open when Kate entered the bedroom, and moreover, the bedroom door would not have remained ajar, it would have slammed shut because of a vacuum created by bedroom window and patio door being open at the same time...

It is, however, quite possible that the opening of the bedroom curtains, as described by Kate, could be as a result of someone outside the bedroom window, opening the window whilst Kate was about to reset the bedroom door, or that someone inside the apartment, or outside, as the case may be, opened the road side door, when Kate went to reset the bedroom door, thus generating the necessary vacuum to produce the forcing open of the bedroom curtains...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:30:PM
Similarly...

If someone was inside apartment 5A with Kate, and they chose to leave, at the time Kate decided to reset the bedroom door, it might have caused the bedroom curtains to burst open when Kate went to reset the bedroom door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:36:PM
What British investigators need to focus upon, are the movements of the 'tapas group' members, once Kate  raised the alarm. Each and everyone of them from being the person seen by the Smith contingent carrying a child who could have been Mad's, at about 10pm...

This needs to be analyzed, so as to eliminate each of them as being the man seen by the Smiths...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:53:PM
Bring on the phone records...

Lets see why Gerry McCann deleted his telephone calls (made and received) from his mobile phone on the night Mad's went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 09:56:PM
Soon after Kate raised the alarm, Gerry McCann and others were seen to be searching amongst the shrubs at the front of the patio (on the pool side) of apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 10:02:PM
I have other opinions...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2013, 10:07:PM
What is delaying the British investigators, going immediately to the derelict building and its grounds, to look for, and recover the remains of the victim...

The "Ghost of Maddie", did not reveal itself in the pink room, for nothing - I say go there now, dig, search and discover what we are all fearful of finding...

Do it, now...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 15, 2013, 11:07:PM
Tanner and O'Brien. Is this the couple that live near Murat's sister,whom he was visiting and flew back to PDL almost the same time as McCann and friends flew out there?

Why have the tapas group been silent for the last 6 years? No show of support,in fact they appear to have distanced themselves from the McCanns. Perhaps they don't want the publicity? Odd all the same.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 06:14:AM
Soon after Kate raised the alarm, Gerry McCann and others were seen to be searching amongst the shrubs at the front of the patio (on the pool side) of apartment 5A...

Then they left and went searching the streets and surrounding areas - could any part of this play a role in the Smith sighting of the man they saw carrying the child in his arms? Location of the Smith sighting was en route to the nearby medical center in PDL. Was the man carrying the child on his way there, or intent on getting to the seclusion of the coastline?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 06:20:AM
Coastline footpath at PDL on the derelict building side of the view point is very remote and secluded...

Not only is it extremely dark at night there, but there are many shrubs, rocks and hollows to hide in - plus access to the grounds of the derelict buildings garden via a neighboring pubs terrace patio to the rear...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 06:36:AM
Maddie will be found here:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 06:42:AM
Cloths worn by abductor, and single mattress upon which victim may have been resting or placed, before disposal:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 06:50:AM
Why has it taken so long to get to this stage?

British police should go there now, and take control of the derelict building and other items of evidential value...

Here are the directions, to get there - Straight across from the church at PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2013, 08:15:AM
Who actually checked apartment 5A, at 9;30pm?

Oldfield, Payne...





Hi Mike,,it was Russell O'Brian who " checked " at 9.30pm,,though he didn't go inside the bedroom.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 10:36:AM




Hi Mike,,it was Russell O'Brian who " checked " at 9.30pm,,though he didn't go inside the bedroom.

Ah, yes, Russel O'Brien, the chap that looks like one of the e-fits (other looks like Gerry McCANN). Thanks for that...

What we need to do, is we need to make a note of the whereabouts of all individual members of the group that evening, where each of them were between say 8pm and midnight. Once this is done we can then consider al this information against the backdrop of the case, in particular, which of them had the opportunity to have been involved, or responsible for the disappearance of Mad's...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 16, 2013, 11:38:AM
Lookout are you sure it was Russell O'Brien? How odd! Tanner claimed to have seen GM and Wilkins on her way to check her children. Surely this must have been around 9.15pm? By the time she checked her children and got back to the restaurant it must have been around 9.30pm? Why then would her partner then be going again straight away to check? Or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 16, 2013, 11:56:AM
Reading his statement,O'Brien left the tapas bar to check on his children at around 9.35,stayed with his child as she had been crying and returned to the tapas bar at 9.55. He was absent from the tapas bar at the crucial time with no alibi wasn't he?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2013, 12:01:PM
It was Russell O'Briens' daughter who was sick that night,and at 9.25pm he went along to attend to her. He was gone for 25 minutes. This is the partner of Jane Tanner,and they have two children between them.

Oldfield checked on the McCann children at 9.25,but didn't go inside the bedroom. In fact,,he just listened to make sure none of them were crying.

Payne was the only one using a baby monitor to check on his two children,,and him,his wife and mother-in-law joined the group at 8.55pm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 16, 2013, 12:05:PM
According to Matthews statement he didn't just listen. He says the bedroom door was half open and he saw the twins in their cots.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2013, 12:26:PM
According to Matthews statement he didn't just listen. He says the bedroom door was half open and he saw the twins in their cots.




Tyler,,what I quoted was from gerrymccannblogs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2013, 12:28:PM
I'm also well aware that timings/time factors can be hit and miss--------such as in the JB case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2013, 12:40:PM
Matt had got up at 10pm to see to his daughter,Grace,,and at the same time,Kate had also got up,so Matt had said there was no point in the two of them going,so Kate sat back down again. When Matt returned,,he'd said " all was quiet ",,however it was then that Kate decided to go along herself,,and that's when she found that Madeleine had been taken.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 16, 2013, 12:55:PM
According to his statement,Matt listened outside the window of the Mccanns apartment at 9pm whilst checking on his own kids. He offered to do Kate's 9.30 check for her and at this check he entered the apartment and saw the twins but not Maddie as it was too dark. Think the confusion is because he actually did two checks,one auditory and one visual.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 01:20:PM
Times referred to by group members have to be treated as estimated, not definitive. Since, all group members did not synchronise their clocks and watch's beforehand, times were synchronised afterward when explanations were required. It took two attempts to get these timings right though, I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that there were or had been two sightings of a man carrying a child, one sighting made by Tanner, the other made by the Smith family in the opposite side of the apartment block?

Is the reason that two different sets of timings were drafted up, dependant upon which sighting of a man carrying a child was to be accepted as the genuine one? If so, should we now adopt the disguarded set of timings, and if we do that how does this impact on the possibility for one or other of the group being the man seen carrying off Mad's at around 10pm'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 01:34:PM
Times referred to by group members have to be treated as estimated, not definitive. Since, all group members did not synchronise their clocks and watch's beforehand, times were synchronised afterward when explanations were required. It took two attempts to get these timings right though, I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that there were or had been two sightings of a man carrying a child, one sighting made by Tanner, the other made by the Smith family in the opposite side of the apartment block?

Is the reason that two different sets of timings were drafted up, dependant upon which sighting of a man carrying a child was to be accepted as the genuine one? If so, should we now adopt the disguarded set of timings, and if we do that how does this impact on the possibility for one or other of the group being the man seen carrying off Mad's at around 10pm'...

This is one of those cases, that wreaks of it being an inside job...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 01:43:PM
Putting group timings of events to one side for a moment, give or take five or ten minutes, either way - it then becomes a distinct possibility that one or other group member, could have been the man carrying off Mad's as seen by the smiths, en route down toward the remote coastal footpath...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2013, 02:42:PM
Putting group timings of events to one side for a moment, give or take five or ten minutes, either way - it then becomes a distinct possibility that one or other group member, could have been the man carrying off Mad's as seen by the smiths, en route down toward the remote coastal footpath...





Mike,,he'd have had to have disposed of the body somehow. The trail would have attracted the sniffer dogs. Unless there was a handy lump of rock close by to sink the body,,but you'd have to chuck it far enough out in case it returned with the tide.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 03:39:PM
Consider this scenario:-

Kate discovered Mad's missing at about 9.50pm when she went to check on her babes. Alarm is raised, one of the group goes out on pretense of searching streets for Mad's, but knows where she was and walks with her as far as the supermarket, then he picks her up in his arms and walks carrying her and is seen by the Smiths walking in direction of coast...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 16, 2013, 05:42:PM
It was Russell O'Briens' daughter who was sick that night,and at 9.25pm he went along to attend to her. He was gone for 25 minutes. This is the partner of Jane Tanner,and they have two children between them.

Oldfield checked on the McCann children at 9.25,but didn't go inside the bedroom. In fact,,he just listened to make sure none of them were crying.

Payne was the only one using a baby monitor to check on his two children,,and him,his wife and mother-in-law joined the group at 8.55pm.

Hi Lookout

It was Russell and Matthew that went together at about 9:30.  Only Matthew returned because one of Russell's children was sick....When Jane had finished her dinner she went back to the apartment so he could go and have his dinner.  This was about 9:50....

Matthew listened outside the window where the children slept at about 9pm the shutter was down....

Gerry did his check at about 9:05 Jane about 9:10 -9:15 


9:00 Matthew listened at the bedroom window

9:05 bedroom door was open Gerry closes the door and looks at Madeline.

9:30 bedroom door was open Matthew listens and could see the twins the door had been opened again.
 
10:00 bedroom door was open, baring in mind that Matthew did not close it, but Gerry did.....Kate does
her check and the door was opened and as she went to close it, it slammed to. Madeline had gone.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 06:26:PM
Consider this scenario:-

Kate discovered Mad's missing at about 9.50pm when she went to check on her babes. Alarm is raised, one of the group goes out on pretense of searching streets for Mad's, but knows where she was and walks with her as far as the supermarket, then he picks her up in his arms and walks carrying her and is seen by the Smiths walking in direction of coast...

I do not think that Mad's was carried out of apartment 5A, I think she walked out with someone she knew well. She was carried once she got as far as the supermarket, hence why the sniffer dogs could only track her scent as far as the shops...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 06:40:PM
does anyone know what the alternative time scale was/is...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 16, 2013, 07:04:PM
does anyone know what the alternative time scale was/is...

Hi Mike :)

I think what they are saying is that it might have been closer to 10pm that Madeline was abducted and not at 9:10 or 9:15 as they originally thought.   :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 16, 2013, 07:26:PM
Is it true that the English prime minister took an interest in the case and THAT is the reason it is being looked into thoroughly?
In any case, they are way delayed and behind, since they didn´t start this immediately after the Portugese police messed up big time...
That is what I always say. Jeremy Bamber needs some high profile celebrity(ies)/politician(s) to take and interest in his case.
The West Memphis Three had Eddie Vedder, The Dixie Chicks and Johnny Depp, that helped, they are free after eighteen years in prison, one of them on death row.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 16, 2013, 08:02:PM
Mike,does the Smith sighting necessarily have to be one of the tapas group? Could not one of the tapas members, whilst on one of their 'checks' have handed MM to another person?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 08:02:PM
Hi Mike :)

I think what they are saying is that it might have been closer to 10pm that Madeline was abducted and not at 9:10 or 9:15 as they originally thought.   :)

Hi Patti,

I am referring to the alternative times of the checks made by the tapas group, not the reconstruction...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 08:05:PM
Mike,does the Smith sighting necessarily have to be one of the tapas group? Could not one of the tapas members, whilst on one of their 'checks' have handed MM to another person?

Of course, yes - I can go along with that scenario...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 16, 2013, 08:05:PM
Hi Patti,

I am referring to the alternative times of the checks made by the tapas group, not the reconstruction...

Mike the timeline hasn't changed....except for the one at 9:10 by JT the time its self hasn't changed but the man she saw has...he has now been identified.  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 16, 2013, 08:17:PM
In GM's statement he says that on the nights before MM's disappearance that he used the unlocked patio door to make the checks. On the night of the disappearance he says he entered the front door of the apartment with a key. I can't understand why his routine changed that night?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 08:20:PM
Mike the timeline hasn't changed....except for the one at 9:10 by JT the time its self hasn't changed but the man she saw has...he has now been identified.  :)

Hi Patti,

I do not necessarily agree that Jane Tanner saw what she claimed she saw...

But, she could have known that the crèche was in use of an evening, and that at a particular time in the evening, a parent usually collected their child, and walked back to their apartment, across the crucial road junction, which Tanner sought or seeks to maintain the man carrying the child walked across...

Of course, put yourself in that mans shoes, he has been to the evening crèche, to collect his child in keeping with his normal practice. As he approaches the junction and before he walks across it carrying his child, surely he looks right into the junction to make sure that there is no oncoming traffic, and if the man had done that, no doubt he would have seen Jane Tanner walking up the hill close to the road junction, the man would also have noted the presence of Gerry McCann and Mr Wilkes, but the big question is, did he...

Gerry and Wilkes do not see Tanner, but did the man see Tanner and Gerry McCann/Wilkes?

I think not...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 16, 2013, 08:32:PM
Hi Patti,

I do not necessarily agree that Jane Tanner saw what she claimed she saw...

But, she could have known that the crèche was in use of an evening, and that at a particular time in the evening, a parent usually collected their child, and walked back to their apartment, across the crucial road junction, which Tanner sought or seeks to maintain the man carrying the child walked across...

Of course, put yourself in that mans shoes, he has been to the evening crèche, to collect his child in keeping with his normal practice. As he approaches the junction and before he walks across it carrying his child, surely he looks right into the junction to make sure that there is no oncoming traffic, and if the man had done that, no doubt he would have seen Jane Tanner walking up the hill close to the road junction, the man would also have noted the presence of Gerry McCann and Mr Wilkes, but the big question is, did he...

Gerry and Wilkes do not see Tanner, but did the man see Tanner and Gerry McCann/Wilkes?

I think not...

Well she did see somebody Mike and this was believed to be the abductor.  I have always questioned the fact he was walking towards Murat's in other words east towards Lagos.  Yet the Smith's sees a man carrying a child in the south west....

The man who JT saw has now been identified.......They are working now on the man that the Smith's saw. Do you mean Wilkins?   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 16, 2013, 08:36:PM
In GM's statement he says that on the nights before MM's disappearance that he used the unlocked patio door to make the checks. On the night of the disappearance he says he entered the front door of the apartment with a key. I can't understand why his routine changed that night?

Hi Tyler the front door was locked the patio door was closed but not locked...if that makes sense. You can't get in the front door without a key....but you can open it from the inside without using a key.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 08:50:PM
Well she did see somebody Mike and this was believed to be the abductor.  I have always questioned the fact he was walking towards Murat's in other words east towards Lagos.  Yet the Smith's sees a man carrying a child in the south west....

The man who JT saw has now been identified.......They are working now on the man that the Smith's saw. Do you mean Wilkins?   :) :) :) :)

Hi Patti,

I personally do not think Tanner saw anybody...

The way I see it, Tanner had access to the details in the crèche register, there may have been evidence in that register that certain children were left there of an evening and collected at some point between 9 - 10pm...

Tanner may have even seen the man she described as having seen on the so called evening of Mad's disappearance, on some previous evening, or occasion, and simply reverted such a sighting onto the evening of Mad's disappearance...

I would be interested to see what the suspect has said to British police, about what he saw as he crossed the road junction carrying his child - I am certain he saw nobody at all...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 08:55:PM
It is my opinion, that when Kate went back to 5A, that she was met there by Jane Tanner...

This is something that Kate and Jane have kept a closely guarded secret...

"They've taken her, Maddie is gone"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 08:57:PM
It is my opinion, that when Kate went back to 5A, that she was met there by Jane Tanner...

This is something that Kate and Jane have kept a closely guarded secret...

"They've taken her, Maddie is gone"...

Who took her, and why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 09:54:PM
The way I see it, When Kate spoke those words, "They've taken her, Maddie is gone", she was referring to the two tapas group members who had volunteered to check apartment 5A, at 9;30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2013, 09:56:PM
The way I see it, When Kate spoke those words, "They've taken her, Maddie is gone", she was referring to the two tapas group members who had volunteered to check apartment 5A, at 9;30pm...

Why would Kate think that, if it wasn't true...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 17, 2013, 04:04:AM
Amaral accuses Gerry McCann as being scotland yards new suspect:-

(1) - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2458369/Could-Madeleine-McCann-Crimewatch-reconstruction-end-distasteful-slurs-Kate-Gerry.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2013, 10:59:AM
He's too boring,Mike. Only a womans' intuition will understand what I mean. He hasn't got it in him.
Similar to Jeremy in that respect.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lithium on October 17, 2013, 09:44:PM
How does everybody feel about this from Kate McCann's book?  :-\ :-\ :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/0VksfSl.jpg)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 17, 2013, 10:42:PM
How does everybody feel about this from Kate McCann's book?  :-\ :-\ :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/0VksfSl.jpg)





Lithium,,the woman is a doctor,,and no doubt has probably seen children who have been victims of sexual abuse,,so it's sad if you read anything else in what the woman said.
I've seen abuse myself when I worked at the local hospital,,,and it would be the first thing you thought about when something like abduction happens. There are monstrous people out there.!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 17, 2013, 11:14:PM


Lithium,,the woman is a doctor,,and no doubt has probably seen children who have been victims of sexual abuse,,so it's sad if you read anything else in what the woman said.
I've seen abuse myself when I worked at the local hospital,,,and it would be the first thing you thought about when something like abduction happens. There are monstrous people out there.!
I do agree with you lookoutl Kate is a doctor and will be familiar with such things, also any Mother would think of such horrors if their little daughter was taken. Can't imagine how the poor woman copesl xx
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 18, 2013, 12:07:AM
How does everybody feel about this from Kate McCann's book?  :-\ :-\ :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/0VksfSl.jpg)

I think she is being brutally honesst here. This is what all parents, relatives and friends would think about among thousands of other possibilities if your child vanished. How unspeakably horrifying.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 18, 2013, 12:14:AM
How does everybody feel about this from Kate McCann's book?  :-\ :-\ :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/0VksfSl.jpg)

Hi Dr Lithium

Hell on earth.  If you lose a child in the manner the McCanns have then I would imagine it is a place you are unable to steer your mind away from no matter how torturous. 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2013, 06:16:PM
Has anyone seen the latest " lost child " who was found by police in Greece.? What a beautiful little girl,,though up to now,nobody has reported her missing.She's a delightful blonde,blue-eyed child who bore no resemblance to the filthy lot who had her in their possession.
It's in the Mail Online. Bless her little heart,,she was so dirty,lost and bewildered. How evil are these people who steal children like this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 18, 2013, 06:27:PM
Has anyone seen the latest " lost child " who was found by police in Greece.? What a beautiful little girl,,though up to now,nobody has reported her missing.She's a delightful blonde,blue-eyed child who bore no resemblance to the filthy lot who had her in their possession.
It's in the Mail Online. Bless her little heart,,she was so dirty,lost and bewildered. How evil are these people who steal children like this.

I am just looking at it now Lookout.  Someone must know her she is only 4 years old according to what I'm reading.

She looks frightened to death, bless her.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2013, 06:44:PM
I am just looking at it now Lookout.  Someone must know her she is only 4 years old according to what I'm reading.

She looks frightened to death, bless her.  :(




Aww,,she's a little poppet,,but who she belongs to or when she was taken,,it doesn't say as yet. I know one thing though,,the Greek police don't dawdle. Well done to them. Who knows,,Ben Needham could still be around somewhere,,not knowing,or realising who he is himself. He too was blonde.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 18, 2013, 06:48:PM



Aww,,she's a little poppet,,but who she belongs to or when she was taken,,it doesn't say as yet. I know one thing though,,the Greek police don't dawdle. Well done to them. Who knows,,Ben Needham could still be around somewhere,,not knowing,or realising who he is himself. He too was blonde.

And Madeline of course.

Yes she is lovely bless her. Someone somewhere is missing her, plus there are others....

Lookout I wish the police would do the same for Ben.......They must feel awful because they are not getting the same publicity..... :-\ :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 18, 2013, 07:09:PM
And Madeline of course.

Yes she is lovely bless her. Someone somewhere is missing her, plus there are others....

Lookout I wish the police would do the same for Ben.......They must feel awful because they are not getting the same publicity..... :-\ :) :) :) :)




Patti I'm surprised that the Greek police didn't act as quickly when Ben went missing,,as they have with this little girl. For all we know,,Ben could be with the gypsies and now " part of them " as he won't have a memory of who his mum is. He'd have suffered a trauma when he was taken,but 18/19 years have gone and his new life would have taken over.
This little mite today could have just been a baby at the time.We don't yet really know the circumstances of her disappearance,so we'll keep abreast of it,,as it's interesting because of her age.,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 18, 2013, 10:56:PM
Tanner sighting of man and child, was a red herring, which focussed the attention of the Portuguese police to carry out in depth searches in the wrong direction ...

Mad's was not taken out of PDL that night, she was concealed within it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 10:07:AM
I believe that Maddie was walked out of apartment 5A, to an area close to the supermarket, then carried, by someone known to her, beyond the site where the Smith family saw them, on their way to the coast...

See my map:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 11:43:AM
Mike the supermarket is the little white square to the right.  Of course you know this because you have been. 

I now believe that who ever took her had transport. The reason I think that is because it would not be safe to carry an abducted child through a resort. The risk of being seen is too high.  I also think that she was passed through the window to someone, and the person that passed her through used the front door to get out.  It could be that the car used was waiting in the car park at the front of the apartment.  I do not believe that Madeline knew the person that took her.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2013, 12:55:PM
Mike the supermarket is the little white square to the right.  Of course you know this because you have been. 

I now believe that who ever took her had transport. The reason I think that is because it would not be safe to carry an abducted child through a resort. The risk of being seen is too high.  I also think that she was passed through the window to someone, and the person that passed her through used the front door to get out.  It could be that the car used was waiting in the car park at the front of the apartment.  I do not believe that Madeline knew the person that took her.   :) :) :)




Patti,,there was a white van and a blue car in the vicinity,,both noted/seen. A large footprint beneath the shuttered window,,that nobody took much notice of,,which could possibly have been the male driver of the vehicle,,as I think it was a woman who lifted Madeleine from her bed.
Contrary to what you said about Madeleine not knowing the person who took her,,I'm of the believe that the child did know her,,because otherwise Madeleine would have kicked off,and her sounds would have been audible at night.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 01:29:PM



Patti,,there was a white van and a blue car in the vicinity,,both noted/seen. A large footprint beneath the shuttered window,,that nobody took much notice of,,which could possibly have been the male driver of the vehicle,,as I think it was a woman who lifted Madeleine from her bed.
Contrary to what you said about Madeleine not knowing the person who took her,,I'm of the believe that the child did know her,,because otherwise Madeleine would have kicked off,and her sounds would have been audible at night.

Hi Lookout :)

Of course that scenario is pure speculation that it was a woman that took her and places the Smith sighting of a man carrying a child as being illegitimate as in the Tanner sighting. 

6 years on and we have now discovered that the man carrying a child was infact someone picking their child up from creche, of course this could be the case with the Smith sightings.  Why these men have never come forward before now is unbelievable, considering the publicity the case had at the time. 

I would have thought the only women that knew Madeline were those that looked after her during the day at the kids club or 4 women who she was on holiday with.

We don't know if chloroform was used on Madeline, it could be that was why the window was open to get rid of the smell. The only other two reasons the window was open was either to pass Madeline through or it was opened as a means of escape. So that is three reasons :) 

Whoever took her Lookout might not be who we thought was initially involved....I would like the police to now concentrate on finding the man carrying a child that the Smith's saw......because as daft as it sounds it could well be it was legitimate.  If that is the case then I do suspect a car was involved....I asked my self if I was to abduct a child I would plan it well and my escape and not walk about the resort with a child, the risk would be too great. 

CR fled PDL that night.....I'd like to know why?  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 01:30:PM
Mike the supermarket is the little white square to the right.  Of course you know this because you have been. 

I now believe that who ever took her had transport. The reason I think that is because it would not be safe to carry an abducted child through a resort. The risk of being seen is too high.  I also think that she was passed through the window to someone, and the person that passed her through used the front door to get out.  It could be that the car used was waiting in the car park at the front of the apartment.  I do not believe that Madeline knew the person that took her.   :) :) :)

Patti,

There are two supermarkets, one (a) along the route taken by the person with Mad's, seen by the Smiths, and another supermarket (b) on the same road as the entrance and entry to the tapas bar...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 01:37:PM
it should be self evident, that scotland yard would have had access to the creche records as per the deposit and collection times of children by parents or minders, so and because the British police are now almost sure that it could have been Mad's being carried off when seen by the Smiths, I think the police will already have considered for the possibility that the Smith sighting might be another case of a parent carrying home a child after collection from the creche, and rejected it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 01:39:PM
Patti,

There are two supermarkets, one (a) along the route taken by the person with Mad's, seen by the Smiths, and another supermarket (b) on the same road as the entrance and entry to the tapas bar...

Okie Dokies Mike. The Baptista Supermarket was were the dog had tracked Madeline.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 01:44:PM
it should be self evident, that scotland yard would have had access to the creche records as per the deposit and collection times of children by parents or minders, so and because the British police are now almost sure that it could have been Mad's being carried off when seen by the Smiths, I think the police will already have considered for the possibility that the Smith sighting might be another case of a parent carrying home a child after collection from the creche, and rejected it...

I agree with that. :)

It was interesting that the police said the Smiths saw the man heading for the beech....Parked at the beech was the musician....But, he told police he didn't see anyone.  This was him.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 01:51:PM
Dogs tracked Mad's scent to the car park behind the Baptiste supermarket, which is linked to the other car park of the other supermarket. Both supermarkets are depicted by positioning of the yellow circle, and the orange one, below...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 19, 2013, 01:53:PM
Like the 'silencer'evidence in the Bamber case that had all the elements in one exhibit that would go on to help convict JB of the crime,ie blood,hair paint etc.......the Tanner sighting always seemed to remind me of pretty much the same thing.......potential sighting of abductor,witnesses and an alibi for GM. Unfortunately this has now all gone out of the window and we are left with the Smith sighting whereby Mr Smith was/is 60% to 80% certain that the man he saw carrying a child was GM. I agree with Patti in that if Maddie truly was abducted,a vehicle would have been used. There seemed to be such a small window of oppurtunity though for her to have been taken due to the comings and goings of the 'tapas' group. Surely somebody must have seen something?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 02:14:PM
Like the 'silencer'evidence in the Bamber case that had all the elements in one exhibit that would go on to help convict JB of the crime,ie blood,hair paint etc.......the Tanner sighting always seemed to remind me of pretty much the same thing.......potential sighting of abductor,witnesses and an alibi for GM. Unfortunately this has now all gone out of the window and we are left with the Smith sighting whereby Mr Smith was/is 60% to 80% certain that the man he saw carrying a child was GM. I agree with Patti in that if Maddie truly was abducted,a vehicle would have been used. There seemed to be such a small window of oppurtunity though for her to have been taken due to the comings and goings of the 'tapas' group. Surely somebody must have seen something?

Hi Tyler :)

It was only Smith himself that thought it was Gerry simply because of the way Gerry had carried one of the twins getting of the plane on their return to England. The others in family disagreed with him and Smith himself said the man he had seen that night carrying a child looked like he was European, olive skinned and dressed Mediterranean style. No way does it describe Gerry, besides Gerry was still sat in the tapas bar when the Smiths saw the man carrying a small child.  Its uncanny that the Smiths mirror the description of the man that Tanner saw in his dress style.  :-\

I suspect Scotland Yard have interviewed and have worked with the Smith family for a period of time leading up the televised Crimewatch.  They are convinced that Madeline's parents are not responsible for her disappearance..... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 19, 2013, 03:17:PM
Hi Tyler :)

It was only Smith himself that thought it was Gerry simply because of the way Gerry had carried one of the twins getting of the plane on their return to England. The others in family disagreed with him and Smith himself said the man he had seen that night carrying a child looked like he was European, olive skinned and dressed Mediterranean style. No way does it describe Gerry, besides Gerry was still sat in the tapas bar when the Smiths saw the man carrying a small child.  Its uncanny that the Smiths mirror the description of the man that Tanner saw in his dress style.  :-\

I suspect Scotland Yard have interviewed and have worked with the Smith family for a period of time leading up the televised Crimewatch.  They are convinced that Madeline's parents are not responsible for her disappearance..... :) :) :) :)
Patti,I know SY have said that the McCanns are not suspects,but no-one can be sure that they are 'convinced' that they were not involved.Leicestershire Police once stated that there was nothing in the files that exonerated them. I am not saying that the McCanns are guilty of anything other than child neglect,its just that not all the elements of MM's disappearance ring quite true for me. Note that SY don't refer to Maddie's disappearance as an 'abduction'. They use the words 'missing' and 'lost' as opposed to 'abducted' or 'taken'. Can anything be read into that? I don't know  :-\  SY have said that arrests are imminent. I guess well just have to wait and see what they come up with.

BTW........any news on the man they arrested in Manchester?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 03:35:PM
How uncanny, that the Smith sighting of the man carrying the child, was very close to the medical center (LUZDOC), which was closed by 10pm, with a note pinned on the window for emergency cases to telephone a 24 hr service, locally...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 03:46:PM
Did the person who was seen by the Smiths, intend to take Mad's to the doctors in Luz, but found it closed? Did he then make a telephone call, following the instructions on the note in the window, and could this be one of the reasons why Gerry McCann deleted his phone records on his mobile phone regarding calls he made and received that evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2013, 03:48:PM
so basically the only evidence against the mcanns is this mr smith. who has changed his story a few times i believe.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 03:56:PM
so basically the only evidence against the mcanns is this mr smith. who has changed his story a few times i believe.

Portuguese police believed that Mad's had died in apartment 5A, and that McCanns created a cover story, etc...

If there had been such an accident, it would be natural for one of the parents to rush off to the local medical center (LUZDOC), lending weight to the identification by Smith of Gerry McCann carrying his own child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2013, 04:02:PM
what the Portuguese police believed isn't evidence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 04:22:PM
what the Portuguese police believed isn't evidence.

Or anyone for that matter Nugs.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 04:28:PM
what the Portuguese police believed isn't evidence.

What the parents and other members of the group didn't, or refused to say, when interviewed by the Portuguese police and the alteration of timings of the apartment checks made by the parents and other group members, is evidence which cannot easily be ignored. Nobody forced the steel shutter of apartment 5A open, there are no corresponding marks where a tool would have been used to force the shutter up. The shutter was opened by somebody inside the apartment to give an impression that Mad's had been taken by someone by that route...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 04:34:PM
What the parents and other members of the group didn't, or refused to say, when interviewed by the Portuguese police and the alteration of timings of the apartment checks made by the parents and other group members, is evidence which cannot easily be ignored. Nobody forced the steel shutter of apartment 5A open, there are no corresponding marks where a tool would have been used to force the shutter up. The shutter was opened by somebody inside the apartment to give an impression that Mad's had been taken by someone by that route...

Mad's was taken into the heart of PDL, not further afield...

Introduction by Tanner of the sighting of the man carrying his child in the direction of Murats residence, was designed to try and throw police off the scent from what really took place...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 04:39:PM
Mad's was taken into the heart of PDL, not further afield...

Introduction by Tanner of the sighting of the man carrying his child in the direction of Murats residence, was designed to try and throw police off the scent from what really took place...

How could it have been designed to throw people off when she did see someone carrying a child? This man has now been identified.

The parents of Madeline had nothing to do with her disappearance nor did the friends they were with. Its pure speculation about the medical services and that Smith saw Gerry that night.  Its been established that was not the case Mike.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 05:18:PM
How could it have been designed to throw people off when she did see someone carrying a child? This man has now been identified.

The parents of Madeline had nothing to do with her disappearance nor did the friends they were with. Its pure speculation about the medical services and that Smith saw Gerry that night.  Its been established that was not the case Mike.  :-\

Hi Patti,

I disagree about Jane Tanner definitely having seen anyone, since, she could easily have  gleaned information from the creche register, about parents collecting their children during the evening whilst parents wined and dined in the tapas bar or elsewhere. She may have seen such a man on a previous occasion, and recounted what she had seen then, as though she had seen it that night. It is very worrying that until recently no-one knew about a creche being in operation during the evening of Mad's disappearance. Tanner and the others may have used the creche themselves at other times of the day, and would have been fully aware of opening and closing times. Furthermore, since they themselves would have to sign their children in and out, it is possible that such information about late collections of children could have been seen written into the register...

Gerry McCann and Wilkes did not see Tanner, and I gather that the man who collected his child that evening, has no recollection of seeing either Tanner, McCann or Wilkes - I would be interested to hear his version of events regarding this, and the exact time the man attended the creche to collect his child, and walk back to his digs...

Did Tanners timing of her events match those of the man who collected his child? How did this fit in with Gerry McCanns and Wilkes account and timings - I would be very interested now, to compare these events, with the other timings found (impressions) in one of Maddies notebooks, relating to the timing of the checks made of the apartments by the parents and the others...

we will have to wait and see what pans out...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 19, 2013, 05:22:PM
Has anyone seen the latest " lost child " who was found by police in Greece.? What a beautiful little girl,,though up to now,nobody has reported her missing.She's a delightful blonde,blue-eyed child who bore no resemblance to the filthy lot who had her in their possession.
It's in the Mail Online. Bless her little heart,,she was so dirty,lost and bewildered. How evil are these people who steal children like this.

Awww, just saw her on the news, she looks so frightened. Heartbreaking. Strange she was not reported missing. My guess is that those gypsies took her for the purpose of begging - a blond kid would be more appealing and generate more money (says the black-head...)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 19, 2013, 05:45:PM
Awww, just saw her on the news, she looks so frightened. Heartbreaking. Strange she was not reported missing. My guess is that those gypsies took her for the purpose of begging - a blond kid would be more appealing and generate more money (says the black-head...)
Why else would they have wanted her, she would only be another mouth to feed unless the poor little thing was wanted for more sinister reasons?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 05:47:PM
Hi Patti,

I disagree about Jane Tanner definitely having seen anyone, since, she could easily have  gleaned information from the creche register, about parents collecting their children during the evening whilst parents wined and dined in the tapas bar or elsewhere. She may have seen such a man on a previous occasion, and recounted what she had seen then, as though she had seen it that night. It is very worrying that until recently no-one knew about a creche being in operation during the evening of Mad's disappearance. Tanner and the others may have used the creche themselves at other times of the day, and would have been fully aware of opening and closing times. Furthermore, since they themselves would have to sign their children in and out, it is possible that such information about late collections of children could have been seen written into the register...

Gerry McCann and Wilkes did not see Tanner, and I gather that the man who collected his child that evening, has no recollection of seeing either Tanner, McCann or Wilkes - I would be interested to hear his version of events regarding this, and the exact time the man attended the creche to collect his child, and walk back to his digs...

Did Tanners timing of her events match those of the man who collected his child? How did this fit in with Gerry McCanns and Wilkes account and timings - I would be very interested now, to compare these events, with the other timings found (impressions) in one of Maddies notebooks, relating to the timing of the checks made of the apartments by the parents and the others...

we will have to wait and see what pans out...

Hi Mike

We both disagree on this case, but I am open minded with any factual evidence there may be. 

The creche has always been known about since the onset and its nothing new.  The club provided a day creche and a night creshe along with a baby sitting service.  The man who JT saw is British and he states clearly that it was him walking back from the creche that night.  The most obvious reason for this not being found out sooner lays with the PJ and their lack of investigation on the case.

However, the day creche is east of PDL and this man was walking from the west towards the east.  I have no idea where the night creche was held....or whether it was held in the day creche.  The babysitting service was like the service we had at Butlins where someone walks round and listens in at each apartment.  This service was refused because the McCann's thought they themselves could offer the same service.

I don't think anyone had access to any records of who was attending the night service creche except those that used it. 

We will have to wait and see what the next move will be....... :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 07:13:PM
As far as I know, day and evening creche was situated / located here:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 07:17:PM
Hi Mike the day tapas creche was in tents.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 07:19:PM
The only other creche I have found is this one. There are only two photo's and a map saying where Madeline's creche was....

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 07:34:PM
The only other creche I have found is this one. There are only two photo's and a map saying where Madeline's creche was....

Hi Patti,

Creche I knew about is situated here:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 07:40:PM
The day and evening creche I knew about was located at the top of the road behind apartment blocks 5 and 4 (I stayed in block 6)...

If the man carrying the child came from the creche I am identifying, he would have crossed the road junction as previously described by Jane Tanner, whereas, if the evening  creche being mentioned now by SY is situated inside a tent in the grounds of the Ocean Club tapas bar, the man could not possibly have walked across the junction described, so where does that leave Jane Tanners account?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 07:54:PM
As I say, I believe that Mad's was not carried out of her bed, through any apartment window, but that she walked out of apartment 5A with someone that she knew and recognized. I think she was walked down to the car park behind the Baptiste supermarket, then carried beyond the Spa supermarket, en route to the confrontation with the Smith contingent:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 08:17:PM
The alley / path leading to and from Kellys bar, where Smith contingent had been drinking that evening:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 19, 2013, 08:31:PM
Here's Kelly's bar, where the Smith family had been having a farewell drink together, before leaving and bumping into Mad's and the bloke carrying her, downhill towards LUZDOC, 'bout 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 19, 2013, 08:34:PM
Hi Patti,

Creche I knew about is situated here:-

Mike those photo's I have posted are the creche's according to one of the official websites.  I have no idea of their locations though. 

Have you any photo's of the children's home? Or gypsy sites? To the north of PDL there is a caravan site...I have never seen a photo of this, but know its there....You can drive up by the beech to its location.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2013, 08:57:PM
I think the child will be in some gypsy encampment somewhere Patti. Authorities should now scour those areas,,as Madeleine will not now know who she is,,nor will Ben if he's been taken the same way.
In view of the little poppet who has just been found,any blonde children about in these camps, is going to arouse suspician.

With Ben being older,,the police should check their lists of criminals in case Ben was ever involved in a crime ( thieving ) as would be the order of the day if he's now a gypsy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 19, 2013, 09:32:PM
I think the child will be in some gypsy encampment somewhere Patti. Authorities should now scour those areas,,as Madeleine will not now know who she is,,nor will Ben if he's been taken the same way.
In view of the little poppet who has just been found,any blonde children about in these camps, is going to arouse suspician.

With Ben being older,,the police should check their lists of criminals in case Ben was ever involved in a crime ( thieving ) as would be the order of the day if he's now a gypsy.
I hate to ask the question but what would gypsy's want with these children?  It's true they may make good beggars but can't really see the point of that because they would also be another mouth to feed. 
I wonder what hope there is for this little girl even if her parents are found as all she knows is the gypsy life?
I hope and pray things will be resolved for them all.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 19, 2013, 10:01:PM
I hate to ask the question but what would gypsy's want with these children?  It's true they may make good beggars but can't really see the point of that because they would also be another mouth to feed. 
I wonder what hope there is for this little girl even if her parents are found as all she knows is the gypsy life?
I hope and pray things will be resolved for them all.

Those beggar children can genrate quite a lot of money. They are put out on the streets all day and night. It is quite lucrative. Have you seen the giant villas the people behind this HUGE industry build back in Romania?

Here are some examples:

(http://aphs.worldnomads.com/anijensen/17429/IMG_7891cropped.jpg)

(http://updatedhome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Gypsy-Castles8.jpg)

(http://www.bugbitten.com/images/d5776aeecb3c45ab15adce6f5cb355f3/Romania_Bucharest_Brasov_Trasylvania_and_Cluj-51419/Romania_Bucharest_Brasov_Trasylvania_and_Cluj-1775859.jpeg)

Here is a BBC documentary about this. You can see the villas from 52 and forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGDj0B5WQaA
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 19, 2013, 10:07:PM
Those beggar children can genrate quite a lot of money. They are put out on the streets all day and night. It is quite lucrative. Have you seen the giant villas the people behind this HUGE industry build back in Romania?

Here are some examples:

(http://aphs.worldnomads.com/anijensen/17429/IMG_7891cropped.jpg)

(http://updatedhome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Gypsy-Castles8.jpg)

(http://www.bugbitten.com/images/d5776aeecb3c45ab15adce6f5cb355f3/Romania_Bucharest_Brasov_Trasylvania_and_Cluj-51419/Romania_Bucharest_Brasov_Trasylvania_and_Cluj-1775859.jpeg)

Here is a BBC documentary about this. You can see the villas from 52 and forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGDj0B5WQaA
Gosh Alias are they built from the proceeds of begging?  I can't watch the doc at the moment.  It's hard to believe and makes more sense out of using these poor little kids for begging.  How dreadful.  :( :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 19, 2013, 10:08:PM
Gosh Alias are they built from the proceeds of begging?  I can't watch the doc at the moment.  It's hard to believe and makes more sense out of using these poor little kids for begging.  How dreadful.  :( :(

From stealing and begging, yes! It is incredible and very, very sad.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 19, 2013, 10:14:PM
From stealing and begging, yes! It is incredible and very, very sad.
It certainly is  :(

Just a thought though............if Maddie had been snatched and is used for the purposes of begging,wouldn't that be highly risky her coming into contact with unlimited amount of people due to her unusual eye? (sorry,can't remember what it is called)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 19, 2013, 10:20:PM
From stealing and begging, yes! It is incredible and very, very sad.
What a disaster for those children, wonder if they could ever readjust with counselling and help.   That poor little girl. xx
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2013, 10:21:PM
It certainly is  :(

Just a thought though............if Maddie had been snatched and is used for the purposes of begging,wouldn't that be highly risky her coming into contact with unlimited amount of people due to her unusual eye? (sorry,can't remember what it is called)





Tyler,,sorry to say it,,but you wouldn't give a second glance at these poor children,,as when they're covered in muck,,they're unrecognisable. Poor poor children with these evil people.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 19, 2013, 10:25:PM
Looking at the way that little Marie has " scrubbed up ",it doesn't look like the same child. Nobody would bother looking beyond the muck,they'd just assume that it was another gypsy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 19, 2013, 10:32:PM
Looking at the way that little Marie has " scrubbed up ",it doesn't look like the same child. Nobody would bother looking beyond the muck,they'd just assume that it was another gypsy.
Very true lookout, many people don't look at anyone, never mind a dirty little gypsy girl.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 19, 2013, 10:39:PM
Looking at the way that little Marie has " scrubbed up ",it doesn't look like the same child. Nobody would bother looking beyond the muck,they'd just assume that it was another gypsy.
Hmmm......I dont understand then why gypsies would want an attractive blond haired child such as Maddie,only for her to end up covered in 'muck'. If Maddie was indeed stolen,wouldn't it be more likely that she was stolen to order for maybe a childless couple? Blonde haired children are very desireable in those parts of the world.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 19, 2013, 11:00:PM
i think its something like that an ilgal adoption.

a lot of planning went into to this and i dont think a lone maniac or sex fiend would be capable of that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 19, 2013, 11:20:PM
Hmmm......I dont understand then why gypsies would want an attractive blond haired child such as Maddie,only for her to end up covered in 'muck'. If Maddie was indeed stolen,wouldn't it be more likely that she was stolen to order for maybe a childless couple? Blonde haired children are very desireable in those parts of the world.
That is such a wicked thing to do tyler. Find it hard to believe anyone would do that. Imagine what dreadful people they would be to do such a thing and she was a bit old, I would have thought. The younger girl girl, Amelie would have been a better age for adoption I would guess. Its all reall dreadful any way.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 20, 2013, 12:21:AM
Hmmm......I dont understand then why gypsies would want an attractive blond haired child such as Maddie,only for her to end up covered in 'muck'. If Maddie was indeed stolen,wouldn't it be more likely that she was stolen to order for maybe a childless couple? Blonde haired children are very desireable in those parts of the world.

I think so too. Didn´t mean that Madde had been taken by gypsies to beg, I was just answering Maggie´s post about this blonde little girl just being another mouth to feed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 20, 2013, 12:53:AM
I think so too. Didn´t mean that Madde had been taken by gypsies to beg, I was just answering Maggie´s post about this blonde little girl just being another mouth to feed.
Yes,sorry Alias.I was responding to Lookout's post in which she said she thought Maddie was likely in a gypsy camp. With regard to newly found 'Maria',they have allegedly had over a hundred calls and emails from parents hoping the child could be theirs. Heartbreaking isn't it. I hope her real parents are found soon.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 20, 2013, 07:10:AM
Morning tyler  I agree gypsies would steal small children to sell on to a childless couple for large amounts of money and that would be how they achieve their ostentatious villa's.  The little girl just been found maybe the sale fell through or the like so they kept her and I am sure she will have to beg for her keep.  So sad.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 20, 2013, 07:31:AM
Morning Maggie  the little girl just found is I think only 4 years old she will adapt very quickly when her natural family are reunited with her.  Regarding Ben Needham that is a different matter he will be about 22 now and I suspect he has been brought up with a new family and will consider them to be his family and I feel it would be difficult for him to bond with Kerry but who knows.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 20, 2013, 09:09:AM
Morning Maggie  the little girl just found is I think only 4 years old she will adapt very quickly when her natural family are reunited with her.  Regarding Ben Needham that is a different matter he will be about 22 now and I suspect he has been brought up with a new family and will consider them to be his family and I feel it would be difficult for him to bond with Kerry but who knows.
I know she is only 4 susie but that means shes old enough to be aware, also as attachment disorders occur between 6 months and 3 years she will have no end of problems already. Poor little mite.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 20, 2013, 09:14:AM
Maggie sorry I cannot comment on detachment orders as I know nothing about it but I am sure you are right.  It is strange when I was very young I had scarlet fever and had to go into isolation when the ambulance man brought me home I hugged him and did not want to leave him now I am unsure if I remember this or is it in my mind because my Mum told me.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 20, 2013, 09:23:AM
Maggie sorry I cannot comment on detachment orders as I know nothing about it but I am sure you are right.  It is strange when I was very young I had scarlet fever and had to go into isolation when the ambulance man brought me home I hugged him and did not want to leave him now I am unsure if I remember this or is it in my mind because my Mum told me.
Ah!! Bless susie, if your Mum told you it will be true. Do we remember or remember the story? Don't know.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 09:57:AM
Maggie sorry I cannot comment on detachment orders as I know nothing about it but I am sure you are right.  It is strange when I was very young I had scarlet fever and had to go into isolation when the ambulance man brought me home I hugged him and did not want to leave him now I am unsure if I remember this or is it in my mind because my Mum told me.




Morning Susan,,I can still vividly remember being in an isolation hospital in 1945.Scarlet fever. Though I don't recall having been affected by the separation from mum and dad,,I do remember hitting a child in the bed opposite.For what reason,I don't know,,other than perhaps I was looking for someone to blame for me being there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 20, 2013, 09:59:AM
Hello lookout  think that child was me as I remember a kid giving me a hard slap for nothing ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 10:13:AM
Hello lookout  think that child was me as I remember a kid giving me a hard slap for nothing ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D




 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That made me laugh,Susan.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 10:20:AM



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That made me laugh,Susan.

Morning Lookout

Did the poor child you hit laugh? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 20, 2013, 10:23:AM
Hello N/N now you know why I feel unloved. :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 10:29:AM
Hello N/N now you know why I feel unloved. :'(

Morning Susan

Yes perhaps that experience explains a lot  ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 10:34:AM
Morning Lookout

Did the poor child you hit laugh?




Morning NN,,no,the child didn't laugh.It screamed out,,and I got a ticking off,sharply,as I remember. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 20, 2013, 10:39:AM
N/N  had many bad experiences as a child and maybe that is why I ended up a loner :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 10:46:AM
N/N  had many bad experiences as a child and maybe that is why I ended up a loner :'(

Susan you've got 11 karma points against my 1.  How can you describe yourself as a loner?  You're charm personified on the forum perhaps off it different? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 10:49:AM



Morning NN,,no,the child didn't laugh.It screamed out,,and I got a ticking off,sharply,as I remember. :(

Hi Lookout

I think you said your g/daughter was viscous so perhaps a genetic propensity towards violence and aggression  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 10:55:AM
N/N  had many bad experiences as a child and maybe that is why I ended up a loner :'(





Aww,,poor you,Susan. My childhood days were wonderful,,but very strict. However,,it hasn't harmed me.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 20, 2013, 10:59:AM
OK, we are way off topic, SORRY mods, just want to say something about little blond "Maria". You can tell that her hair has been dyed dark a little over a year ago, you can see it on the tips of her braids. Her abductors must have tried to make her blend in with their family. Maybe we should have a new topic for "Maria"?

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2467495.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Unidentified-Missing-Girl-2467495.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 11:06:AM




Aww,,poor you,Susan. My childhood days were wonderful,,but very strict. However,,it hasn't harmed me.

Hi Lookout

I thought you said your mother favoured your brother and you felt this acutely? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 11:07:AM
Hi Lookout

I think you said your g/daughter was viscous so perhaps a genetic propensity towards violence and aggression  :-\



Yes,NN,,I understand where you're coming from. My mum,,myself and g/daughter.A predisposition for " law and order " in mums' and my case,,but g/daughters' was sheer frustration and hormones.
However,because my daughters weren't of the same nature,their own children were brats when growing up. Elder daughters' children used to kick her.! Tried it with me----------------once.!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 11:42:AM
OK, we are way off topic, SORRY mods, just want to say something about little blond "Maria". You can tell that her hair has been dyed dark a little over a year ago, you can see it on the tips of her braids. Her abductors must have tried to make her blend in with their family. Maybe we should have a new topic for "Maria"?

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2467495.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Unidentified-Missing-Girl-2467495.jpg)

Hi All

I have to say that child trafficking in Europe is rife and has been for many years.  The Romanian Gypsies have invaded every European Country.  Its sad to label them thieves and beggars, but this is what they are renowned for.  The majority of the Gypsies though live well and don't steal or beg and just travel around Europe and they make ends meet. 

Its sad to say but dirty gypsy children make good beggars and they are sent on the streets at night to do just that.  When they get older they turn into prostitution. Its their way of life. A child to them is money. 

The little darling Maria is blond and in the clips I saw yesterday in the same camp that she was rescued from there was a blond teenager....So where did she come from? Why hasn't she been taken?

The said mother of Maria claims that she was given to her by a woman who lives in Belgium, who could not keep her.  This maybe true, we don't know.  But it appears there was a scam going off with false birth certificates and claims for benefits.

I have found some documents regarding Madeleine yesterday and reports that were never followed up by the PJ that she had been taken by the Gypsies....These reports might not be true, but the fact they were never followed up just amazes me.  Hewlett the paedophile that died had said that the Gypsies have her to be sold on....

I will post these documents later.....

I hope they find Maria's mother.....if not I hope she goes to a home that will look after her.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 11:49:AM
Hi Lookout

I thought you said your mother favoured your brother and you felt this acutely?




NN,,let's say I fought back in my own way. I'm lucky to have the ability to " shut off " so was able,,young as I was,,to accept this favouritism as part of the norm. It was no use kicking-off all the time. It was something I got used to,,,as I'm even like that now. Easy-going for the most part,,and,hopefully,well-balanced.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 11:51:AM
OK, we are way off topic, SORRY mods, just want to say something about little blond "Maria". You can tell that her hair has been dyed dark a little over a year ago, you can see it on the tips of her braids. Her abductors must have tried to make her blend in with their family. Maybe we should have a new topic for "Maria"?

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2467495.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Unidentified-Missing-Girl-2467495.jpg)




Alias,,I would be more than happy to have a separate heading for this charming little soul. I think she's a little princess,,aww. :-*
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 11:55:AM



NN,,let's say I fought back in my own way. I'm lucky to have the ability to " shut off " so was able,,young as I was,,to accept this favouritism as part of the norm. It was no use kicking-off all the time. It was something I got used to,,,as I'm even like that now. Easy-going for the most part,,and,hopefully,well-balanced.

Hi Lookout

How we see ourselves doesn't necessarily represent reality  ;)

If you're easy-going why highlight my post about the 'knitting circle ladies' as "puerile"?  Why not just ignore it and let it go as others do?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 11:59:AM
Hi Lookout

How we see ourselves doesn't necessarily represent reality  ;)

If you're easy-going why highlight my post about the 'knitting circle ladies' as "puerile"?  Why not just ignore it and let it go as others do?




NN,,it's you who's brought the subject up.I let it go ages ago. Being pedantic doesn't suit you,NN. :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 12:29:PM
BRITISH detectives are to return to Spain to investigate a possible gypsy link in the disappearance of Maddie McCann.
A team from Scotland Yard have already spent three days looking into claims that the youngster was smuggled into Spain and taken to Barcelona.
They met with both Spain’s UDYCO organised crime unit and detective Dave Edgar, who has spent years investigating the Spanish claims.
Now they are reported to be returning to investigate the theory that she was snatched by a child kidnap gang run by gypsies.
Portuguese police have already investigated a report by holidaymaker Andre van Wyk that he had seen a girl resembling Madeleine being taken in a cart to a gypsy camp near Portimao, about 16kms from where Maddie disappeared.
Days later a British holidaymaker Jean Godwin saw a girl – ’100 per cent Madeleine’ – being dragged around by ‘gypsy women’ 35kms away.
Her information was followed up by both detective Edgar working for the McCann’s and Portuguese police, but nothing was ever conclusive.
The latest development is part of an on-going ‘investigative review’ into the girl’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007, ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron last year.
Last week, the McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry welcome the on-going work by the Metropolitan Police and they are pleased that the investigative review is making progress.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 12:32:PM

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 12:52:PM
The problem I have with all these Maddie theories eg stolen by gypsies to sell on to a childless couple or put on the streets to beg/stolen by an organised gang for a childless couple or a paedophile ring is why was she singled out?  As far as I am aware there have been no other reported incidents of such a disappearance anywhere in the area?

Personally I think she woke, wandered off and either got lost in the nearby building works or was snatched once outside the apartment by an opportunist predatory pedophile as with Sarah Payne.  Think how Sarah was snatched in seconds by Roy Whiting who just happened to be driving along at the moment Sarah fell out of sight of her siblings.  The other alternative is some sort of incident with the Tapas crowd but don't believe the parents were involved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 01:09:PM
The problem I have with all these Maddie theories eg stolen by gypsies to sell on to a childless couple or put on the streets to beg/stolen by an organised gang for a childless couple or a paedophile ring is why was she singled out?  As far as I am aware there have been no other reported incidents of such a disappearance anywhere in the area?

Personally I think she woke, wandered off and either got lost in the nearby building works or was snatched once outside the apartment by an opportunist predatory pedophile as with Sarah Payne.  Think how Sarah was snatched in seconds by Roy Whiting who just happened to be driving along at the moment Sarah fell out of sight of her siblings.  The other alternative is some sort of incident with the Tapas crowd but don't believe the parents were involved.

There were other children missing in that area over the last few years leading up to Madeline's disappearance..I forget their names now, but could find out who they were. 

Amaral was dismissed after comments he made in the press and was investigated for the beating of a woman who he accused of killing her own daughter JM....There was also an incident on the beach where a couple saw a man snatching their child and Amaral accused them of telling lies and drowning the child in the sea. 

What is hard to except is the fact that child trafficking exists and that it is rife in Europe. 

No one knows what happened the night Madeline disappeared. I find it hard to except that her parents and their friends had anything to do with it.

You have to look at the evidence and at the moment the evidence is that the Smiths saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing.

I doubt any planned attempt to steal her did not incorporate transport.  I can't except that an abductor had walked through a resort with a child in his arms.  If this is the case then the man that took her was either local, or on holiday at the time.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 01:22:PM
There were other children missing in that area over the last few years leading up to Madeline's disappearance..I forget their names now, but could find out who they were. 

Amaral was dismissed after comments he made in the press and was investigated for the beating of a woman who he accused of killing her own daughter JM....There was also an incident on the beach where a couple saw a man snatching their child and Amaral accused them of telling lies and drowning the child in the sea. 

What is hard to except is the fact that child trafficking exists and that it is rife in Europe. 

No one knows what happened the night Madeline disappeared. I find it hard to except that her parents and their friends had anything to do with it.

You have to look at the evidence and at the moment the evidence is that the Smiths saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing.

I doubt any planned attempt to steal her did not incorporate transport.  I can't except that an abductor had walked through a resort with a child in his arms.  If this is the case then the man that took her was either local, or on holiday at the time.  :-\ :-\

Hi Patti

I love you.  Lookout is horrible to me and doesn't accept my foibles   :'(

Yes I know all about Amaral and the little Portuguese girl.  I think of it in statistical terms.  As far as I'm aware the only British children that have gone missing are Maddie on 2007 and Ben Needham in 1991.  That's two children in 16 years v millions of British children taken overseas every year.  There's much speculation that Ben's uncle took Ben on his moped and some accident happened whereby the 19 yo uncle panicked and covered up.  It's a possibility. 

Re Maddie personally the idea that 5a was watched and she was abducted just doesn't ring true based on the statistical facts.  As I said why single her out? 

Not forgetting that most child abuse, murder etc takes place by persons known statistically.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 01:31:PM
Hi Patti

I love you.  Lookout is horrible to me and doesn't accept my foibles   :'(

Yes I know all about Amaral and the little Portuguese girl.  I think of it in statistical terms.  As far as I'm aware the only British children that have gone missing are Maddie on 2007 and Ben Needham in 1991.  That's two children in 16 years v millions of British children taken overseas every year.  There's much speculation that Ben's uncle took Ben on his moped and some accident happened whereby the 19 yo uncle panicked and covered up.  It's a possibility. 

Re Maddie personally the idea that 5a was watched and she was abducted just doesn't ring true based on the statistical facts.  As I said why single her out? 

Not forgetting that most child abuse, murder etc takes place by persons known statistically.

Lookout isn't horrible she is one of the nicest persons I know....but she tells it as it is. :)

Yes, you are correct with your statistics, it is more likely that children are either taken or murdered by someone they know.

It is very rare that British children are taken whilst on holiday abroad, but it does not mean it could not have happened.

There had been a spate of robberies in G block before Madeline disappeared.

I love you too.... :-*

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 01:33:PM
Because those apartments were easily accessible to the public these are the ones that had been burgled... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 20, 2013, 01:50:PM
Because those apartments were easily accessible to the public these are the ones that had been burgled... :) :) :) :)

If a burglar was disturbed surely he/she would have just legged it.  If he/she attempted to quiten Maddie and it all went horribly wrong surely he/she would have again legged it and left her at SoC  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 01:52:PM
Because those apartments were easily accessible to the public these are the ones that had been burgled... :) :) :) :)





Patti,,remember the letter given to Wayne Hewlett by his father,Raymond,,,just before RH died.?
It said in the letter that Madeleine  " had " been taken by gypsies,,and that he,himself,RH,had nothing to do with her disappearance.

RH's " pedigree " is/was horrendous,,as he was wanted at one time for the murder of Lesley Molseed.Although Castree was finally charged after it was known about poor Stefan Kiszko,,he remains protesting his innocence saying that he was framed by two police officers. Makes you wonder if it was indeed Hewlett that murdered Lesley,as he was in the area at the time,,when he wasn't in prison for rape or abduction. The man was a monster,,and is now thankfully out of harms way.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 01:56:PM
If a burglar was disturbed surely he/she would have just legged it.  If he/she attempted to quiten Maddie and it all went horribly wrong surely he/she would have again legged it and left her at SoC  :(

Maybe the burglar worked there and Madeline recognised him?????? A member of staff who had access to keys...You have to consider all scenarios...whether this is the right one or not...Go with what we have and not what we don't have....lol  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 01:56:PM
Wayne had destroyed the letter as he wanted no part in his fathers' dealings,etc. When Wayne was a boy,his father used to beat him unmercifully,,so it was only natural that he would want to wipe his hands of him.
Also,,the youngster who " fell out " of the van,,was questionable. One of RH's sons.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 01:58:PM




Patti,,remember the letter given to Wayne Hewlett by his father,Raymond,,,just before RH died.?
It said in the letter that Madeleine  " had " been taken by gypsies,,and that he,himself,RH,had nothing to do with her disappearance.

RH's " pedigree " is/was horrendous,,as he was wanted at one time for the murder of Lesley Molseed.Although Castree was finally charged after it was known about poor Stefan Kiszko,,he remains protesting his innocence saying that he was framed by two police officers. Makes you wonder if it was indeed Hewlett that murdered Lesley,as he was in the area at the time,,when he wasn't in prison for rape or abduction. The man was a monster,,and is now thankfully out of harms way.

Yes I do Lookout and I think I have mentioned Hewlett saying that in an earlier post.....Did his son burn the letter??????  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 02:00:PM
Wayne had destroyed the letter as he wanted no part in his fathers' dealings,etc. When Wayne was a boy,his father used to beat him unmercifully,,so it was only natural that he would want to wipe his hands of him.
Also,,the youngster who " fell out " of the van,,was questionable. One of RH's sons.

Oh yeah, did his son die Lookout? I remember that too....I shall have to google for that.  Its a real shame that most of our stuff has been lost over the years, some of it was good. Nevermind...eh!  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 02:13:PM
Yes I do Lookout and I think I have mentioned Hewlett saying that in an earlier post.....Did his son burn the letter??????  :) :) :) :) :)




Wayne disposed of the letter,Patti. He must have felt really disgusted.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 20, 2013, 02:28:PM

  http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5211612/Madeleine-McCann-cops-probe-two-Brit-paedo-killers-who-travelled-to-Spain.html

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 02:41:PM
  http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5211612/Madeleine-McCann-cops-probe-two-Brit-paedo-killers-who-travelled-to-Spain.html





Last time I heard of these two guys,,they were in a prison in Scotland being held for the murder of a woman,,,who,,shall we say,knew too much about them regarding the Madeleine case. Patti will remember.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 02:48:PM




Last time I heard of these two guys,,they were in a prison in Scotland being held for the murder of a woman,,,who,,shall we say,knew too much about them regarding the Madeleine case. Patti will remember.




The prison is Barlinnie---Glasgow.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 20, 2013, 02:50:PM




Last time I heard of these two guys,,they were in a prison in Scotland being held for the murder of a woman,,,who,,shall we say,knew too much about them regarding the Madeleine case. Patti will remember.
The woman they murdered was the mother of a 6 year old boy they were grooming....I think?
There is much about these two guys in the Maddie Files. They had a cleaning business in Spain,I think,which involved cleaning holiday apartments. I'm assuming that their names have been put forward in response to the recent e-fits?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 02:51:PM




Last time I heard of these two guys,,they were in a prison in Scotland being held for the murder of a woman,,,who,,shall we say,knew too much about them regarding the Madeleine case. Patti will remember.

Yes I do....They never found her body, but the CPS had convinced the jury that they had dumped her body at sea..... :) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 02:56:PM
The woman they murdered was the mother of a 6 year old boy they were grooming....I think?
There is much about these two guys in the Maddie Files. They had a cleaning business in Spain,I think,which involved cleaning holiday apartments. I'm assuming that their names have been put forward in response to the recent e-fits?




Ah yes,,the cleaning business,,and they were also hired to clean the apartments in Portugal,,as they were there during Madeleines' disappearance. They also stayed in one of the apartments at that time.
The keys were obtained from Murat,,though I seem to remember him denying that he let the place off to them.So how did they get in.? Through the keyhole.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 02:58:PM
Yes I do....They never found her body, but the CPS had convinced the jury that they had dumped her body at sea..... :) ;)





Not sure if they were ever interviewed in prison.Though they must have been for me to know they were sent there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 03:02:PM



Ah yes,,the cleaning business,,and they were also hired to clean the apartments in Portugal,,as they were there during Madeleines' disappearance. They also stayed in one of the apartments at that time.
The keys were obtained from Murat,,though I seem to remember him denying that he let the place off to them.So how did they get in.? Through the keyhole.?

These are the men...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 20, 2013, 03:05:PM
These are the men...





Yes,,that's them,Patti. At least the rats are locked up for life.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 03:09:PM




Yes,,that's them,Patti. At least the rats are locked up for life.

Its been reported that they were in PDL at the time. 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 07:58:PM
Malinka link to disappearance of Mad's:-

(1) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/fate-of-madeleine-document-removed.

(2) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/barroso-is-man.html

(3) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/jenifer-murat-more-surprises-sights.html

(4) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/neil-berry-searching-with-gnr-man.html :(
 
(5) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/disgraced-police-officer-amaral-found.html

(6) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/is-this-portuguese-looking-woman.html

(7) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/robert-murat.html

(8) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/blog-post_28.html

(9) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2008/11/a-robert-murat-3arguido-forum-interview.html

(10) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2008/11/a-robert-murats-computer.html

(11) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/fate-of-madeleine-document-removed.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 08:36:PM
He lived close to location of sighting by Smith contingent...

(1) - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 08:39:PM
He lived close to location of sighting by Smith contingent...

(1) - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm

He lived on the same road as the LUZDOC ...... de Abrils 25 or something like that.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 08:45:PM
Book extracts:-

(1) - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/_m/56.jpg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 08:59:PM
He lived on the same road as the LUZDOC ...... de Abrils 25 or something like that.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hi Patti,

Yes, close to the location of the Smith family sighting, which took place around 10pm, 3rd May 2007...

There had been a meeting involving Robert Murat and Sergey Malinka, at around 9;30pm that same evening in the region of the Baptiste supermarket, followed by a mobile phone call between the pair about a couple of hours later...

Of interest, is the fact that police tracker dogs followed Mad's scent from apartment 5A, that evening to the car park of the Baptiste supermarket - therefore, this is something which cannot easily be ignored, or for that matter pushed to one side, in the case of Malinka, since after that meeting Malinka went home, taking him back in the direction of the location where the Smiths may have seen him, carrying Mad's away...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 20, 2013, 09:11:PM
Hi Patti,

Yes, close to the location of the Smith family sighting, which took place around 10pm, 3rd May 2007...

There had been a meeting involving Robert Murat and Sergey Malinka, at around 9;30pm that same evening in the region of the Baptiste supermarket, followed by a mobile phone call between the pair about a couple of hours later...

Of interest, is the fact that police tracker dogs followed Mad's scent from apartment 5A, that evening to the car park of the Baptiste supermarket - therefore, this is something which cannot easily be ignored, or for that matter pushed to one side, in the case of Malinka, since after that meeting Malinka went home, taking him back in the direction of the location where the Smiths may have seen him, carrying Mad's away...

Hi Mike :)

Malinka has always been a suspect in my opinion.  He wiped his hard drive clean on one of his computers before the PJ entered his home and confiscated them. They found child pornography and bastility on the one he didn't have time to wipe clean.  He also held several passports and had several identities.....He worked for Corlett and was in charge of a boat Naomi Corlett which sailed out of Lagos on in the early hours of May 4th and docked at Portmeo.  He also had his car set on fire and the words FALA was wrote on the pavement at the side of his burned out car.....Fala means talk.....He was well dodgy and was doing business with Murat at the time and denied that they spoke to each other on the night Madeleine disappeared, but when questioned again he had to admit he was in phone contact with Murat because the PJ had records of it.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 09:11:PM
Malinka link to disappearance of Mad's:-

(1) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/fate-of-madeleine-document-removed.

(2) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/barroso-is-man.html

(3) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/jenifer-murat-more-surprises-sights.html

(4) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/neil-berry-searching-with-gnr-man.html :(
 
(5) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/disgraced-police-officer-amaral-found.html

(6) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/is-this-portuguese-looking-woman.html

(7) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/robert-murat.html

(8) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/blog-post_28.html

(9) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2008/11/a-robert-murat-3arguido-forum-interview.html

(10) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2008/11/a-robert-murats-computer.html

(11) - http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/fate-of-madeleine-document-removed.html

(a) - http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t301-sergey-malinka
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 09:34:PM
I think there is / was an unhealthy relationship, between Gerry McCann, David Payne, Sergey Malinka, and Robert Murat, which lies at the heart of Mad's disappearance, I am convinced of it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 09:37:PM
I am trying hard to remember where it was that I read about a key found at either Murats residence, or Malinka's residence, that police were trying to find out about? I believe this key was the key to the front door of the derelict building located across the street from the church at PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 20, 2013, 11:10:PM
Another Malinka link:-

(1) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/did-sergey-malika-took-pictures-of.html

(2) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=4

(3) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/2010_01_01_archive.html

(4) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/2009_11_01_archive.html
 
(5) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/open-letter-to-jose-manuel-barroso-on.html

(6) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/2009_06_01_archive.html

(7) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/2009_04_01_archive.html

(8) - http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=13
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 21, 2013, 12:12:PM
Hi Mike :)

Malinka has always been a suspect in my opinion.  He wiped his hard drive clean on one of his computers before the PJ entered his home and confiscated them. They found child pornography and bastility on the one he didn't have time to wipe clean.  He also held several passports and had several identities.....He worked for Corlett and was in charge of a boat Naomi Corlett which sailed out of Lagos on in the early hours of May 4th and docked at Portmeo.  He also had his car set on fire and the words FALA was wrote on the pavement at the side of his burned out car.....Fala means talk.....He was well dodgy and was doing business with Murat at the time and denied that they spoke to each other on the night Madeleine disappeared, but when questioned again he had to admit he was in phone contact with Murat because the PJ had records of it.  ;D ;D ;D ;D






Patti,,Malinka destroyed/removed his hard-drive after Murat gave him the slip about the police going to his flat. This was supposedly the first time that the two had spoken to each other in a year.!!
Both lied.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 21, 2013, 12:21:PM
he could of just destroyed it becouse he was dumping his old and he wanted to aviod the risk of indenity theft from dumping the old one.

mind you destroying its a bit of drastic step.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 21, 2013, 12:31:PM
I am trying hard to remember where it was that I read about a key found at either Murats residence, or Malinka's residence, that police were trying to find out about? I believe this key was the key to the front door of the derelict building located across the street from the church at PDL...
I read somewhere that Malinka's mother was a cleaner and cleaned the apartment above the McCanns. I dont know whether she cleaned any of the other apartments?

I got a message on my Facebook this morning,asking me to sign a petition for Steven Birch to be given permission to dig up Murat's driveway. Various experts have agreed there is a void under the driveway,and they want to see if Maddie's remains are buried there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 21, 2013, 12:33:PM
what does murret think about this idea.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 21, 2013, 12:37:PM
I am trying hard to remember where it was that I read about a key found at either Murats residence, or Malinka's residence, that police were trying to find out about? I believe this key was the key to the front door of the derelict building located across the street from the church at PDL...

did the mcanns know robert murret or mallinka before the abduction i dont think they did.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 21, 2013, 01:35:PM
I read somewhere that Malinka's mother was a cleaner and cleaned the apartment above the McCanns. I dont know whether she cleaned any of the other apartments?

I got a message on my Facebook this morning,asking me to sign a petition for Steven Birch to be given permission to dig up Murat's driveway. Various experts have agreed there is a void under the driveway,and they want to see if Maddie's remains are buried there.




I would be all for it,tyler. Not only is the guys background dodgy,,but his unnatural eagerness in assisting the PJ's was a mock-up. He also acted as interpretor for the police when the McCanns were questioned.!!! I ask you. A confidential situation where a member of the public knew exactly what was going on.? Talk about forwarned is forearmed ( in his case,anyway ) It was unbelievable.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 21, 2013, 06:08:PM
did the mcanns know robert murret or mallinka before the abduction i dont think they did.

No Nugs. But the Smith family knew Murat. Not sure if they knew who Malinka was.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 21, 2013, 06:11:PM



I would be all for it,tyler. Not only is the guys background dodgy,,but his unnatural eagerness in assisting the PJ's was a mock-up. He also acted as interpretor for the police when the McCanns were questioned.!!! I ask you. A confidential situation where a member of the public knew exactly what was going on.? Talk about forwarned is forearmed ( in his case,anyway ) It was unbelievable.
I read somewhere that Malinka's mother was a cleaner and cleaned the apartment above the McCanns. I dont know whether she cleaned any of the other apartments?

I got a message on my Facebook this morning,asking me to sign a petition for Steven Birch to be given permission to dig up Murat's driveway. Various experts have agreed there is a void under the driveway,and they want to see if Maddie's remains are buried there.

Malinka lived with his mother, there apartment was just round the corner towards the beach where the Smiths saw a man carrying a child.  His mother worked for the Ocean Club and like you said Tyler she cleaned the floor above apartment G5A....   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 21, 2013, 06:33:PM
Thanks for confirming that Patti. You really are a mine of information lol.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 21, 2013, 06:55:PM
Malinka lived with his mother, there apartment was just round the corner towards the beach where the Smiths saw a man carrying a child.  His mother worked for the Ocean Club and like you said Tyler she cleaned the floor above apartment G5A....   :) :) :) :)




Patti there's a very plausible interview with Murat in the Independent newspaper of the 14th of this month, I think it's the 14th. Where he's hoping that the case is resolved.I bet he is.! It'll have been hanging over him like a bad smell.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 21, 2013, 07:01:PM



Patti there's a very plausible interview with Murat in the Independent newspaper of the 14th of this month, I think it's the 14th. Where he's hoping that the case is resolved.I bet he is.! It'll have been hanging over him like a bad smell.

Lookout watch this...its the German version of the appeal. It covers more than our Crimewatch....I know its in German, but you will understand it... :) ;) ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feJKnsIObck&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 21, 2013, 07:41:PM
Lookout watch this...its the German version of the appeal. It covers more than our Crimewatch....I know its in German, but you will understand it... :) ;) ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feJKnsIObck&feature=youtu.be



Just finished watching it,Patti. It gave more information than our broadcast did.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 21, 2013, 07:43:PM


Just finished watching it,Patti. It gave more information than our broadcast did.

I knew you would watch it.  Kate and Gerry looked more relaxed too....They seemed to focus on the fair haired man seen loitering around the complex...I thought it was much better than ours.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 21, 2013, 10:07:PM
I knew you would watch it.  Kate and Gerry looked more relaxed too....They seemed to focus on the fair haired man seen loitering around the complex...I thought it was much better than ours.  :) :) :) :)

Does anyone know if this blond haired suspect wore any of these clothes found in the derelict building near to the church...

Blue kaghool, checked jumper, and light blue jeans?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 21, 2013, 10:20:PM
Here is a better view of the blue coloured kaghool that I found concealed in a plastic carrier bag inside the derelict building not too far away from the location of the Smith sighting of man carrying child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 21, 2013, 10:26:PM
How would you possibly know that?

According to your logic, the McCanns set about excavating ground in the middle of the night in order to bury their dead child.  Ever tried to excavate concrete with a spade?

I must say, they must be magic!!

Crow bar was found at the scene, and photographed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 21, 2013, 10:32:PM
The clothing was concealed inside a plastic carrier bag inside the derelict building - I noted what appeared to be brownish/ reddish stains upon the kaghool and blue jeans which could have been human blood...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 21, 2013, 10:36:PM
One of the plastic bags inside which was found these items of clothing, had a link to local pony riding, another, purchased at a local supermarket...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 21, 2013, 10:57:PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not true that at least one of the suspects seen to be loitering around apartment 5A, was described as wearing a navy blue kaghool type jacket and blue jeans?

Well, my discovery of clothing in the grounds of the derelict building, fit into that criteria, found in an isolated location where there was ample time to dig a hole in the ground in which to dispose of a child's body...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 22, 2013, 12:25:AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not true that at least one of the suspects seen to be loitering around apartment 5A, was described as wearing a navy blue kaghool type jacket and blue jeans?

Well, my discovery of clothing in the grounds of the derelict building, fit into that criteria, found in an isolated location where there was ample time to dig a hole in the ground in which to dispose of a child's body...

I trust you have informed police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 22, 2013, 07:00:AM
I trust you have informed police.

Hi Alias,

I contacted the Portuguese police by email upon my return to the UK, but I have not yet been in direct contact with Scotland Yard officers, although as a matter of course I do know that our forum is continually being monitored, and rightly so...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 22, 2013, 07:11:AM
Maybe a clue to what actually happenned to Mad's that night will be found in the reasons why Sergey Malinka deleted one of his computers hard drives, whilst at the same time, Gerry McCANN, deleted his mobile phone record relating to calls he made from it that same night...

Is this the link between the pair that will prove the undoing of Mad's disappearance?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 22, 2013, 10:35:AM
I'm not anti McCann,but I (along with thousands of others) would like an answer to following questions - What happened to GM's tennis holdall? Why have the 'tapas' friends become the 'silent' seven? Why did the McCann's lie about the shutters having been 'jemmied' open? and why did they not physically search for their daughter?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 22, 2013, 11:02:AM
I'm not anti McCann,but I (along with thousands of others) would like an answer to following questions - What happened to GM's tennis holdall? Why have the 'tapas' friends become the 'silent' seven? Why did the McCann's lie about the shutters having been 'jemmied' open? and why did they not physically search for their daughter?
Hi tyler, I don't believe the McCanns had anything to do with their daughters disappearance but I do remember wondering at the time why they weren't out tearing Portugal apart with their bare hands searching for her.  I concluded that they were possibly told to leave it to the police?  They had two other children to look after and keep in their sight, they believed they would achieve more with tv exposure?  Seeing Kate on tv recently I notice how her heartbreak is now permanently etched on her face.  So sad.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 11:37:AM
is murrat happy with the plans to have his driveway dug up.

that will be clue to weather his involved or not.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 12:38:PM
is murrat happy with the plans to have his driveway dug up.

that will be clue to weather his involved or not.




Nugs,,it's a South African businessman who put a request in to the Portuguese police,as he believes that Madeleine is buried under the driveway. He used a machine one night under cover of darkness and actually trespassed on Murats' property to do his experiment.
Murat had had the driveway re-surfaced with concrete,and apparently,,the graph from the machine showed a dip underneath the surface as if the original surface had been dug by hand,,and beneath that,it shows a space,,where Stephen Birch reckons is where the remains of Madeleine is.
The police were reluctant to allow Stephen to carry out this investigation for some unknown reason,,,and if indeed there's any objection from Murat,,then you have to question why.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 12:41:PM
well if i was being accused of a crime like that i would happily sacrifice my driveway to prove my innocence.

he does not really need the permission of the police he just needs murrets permission.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 12:57:PM
well if i was being accused of a crime like that i would happily sacrifice my driveway to prove my innocence.

he does not really need the permission of the police he just needs murrets permission.




The problem that I have with this is at the very beginning,,this wouldn't have taken place when police were swarming all over the area,,and a sniffer dog would have immediately found the child. Murat knew that too,,but although her body was pretty well disposed of soon after she was taken,,and Murat re-surfaced the driveway soon after so that dogs wouldn't dig up the remains,,,it still wouldn't have deterred a cadaver dog from finding a corpse underneath concrete.
I'm almost certain that sniffer dogs were taken to Murats house,,though I can't swear to it.
However,,if this guy Stephen wants to go ahead with his experiment/theory,,then there's no harm done,,and if Murat's in agreeance with it,,then that's fine also.
The time to worry is if and when Murat objects.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 01:30:PM
well it dosent like this guy is going to shut up about it.

so if murrets got nothing to hide he might as well let him do it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 01:39:PM
well it dosent like this guy is going to shut up about it.

so if murrets got nothing to hide he might as well let him do it.




 May as well,nugs.Nothing ventured,nothing gained.Nothing to lose if Stephen's proved to be wrong,,but everything to begin again with if he's right,,as there'd have to be an inquest,,then questions of how the body got there and by whom,,so we'll wait and see how far this guy gets.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 01:45:PM
i dont think theres a body under there ethere but it would be helpfull if its proved that there isnt.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 01:58:PM
i dont think theres a body under there ethere but it would be helpfull if its proved that there isnt.





I agree,nugs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sandra L on October 22, 2013, 02:03:PM
Cost shouldn't be an issue either, as the Madeleine fund would be able to cover it. At least that would put this particular line of enquiry to bed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 02:14:PM
Cost shouldn't be an issue either, as the Madeleine fund would be able to cover it. At least that would put this particular line of enquiry to bed.




The way I see it Sandra,,is that anything's worth a try,regardless of cost or inconvenience,and if both these are met,,then I see no problem. Those who have a problem with it remain questionable.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 02:21:PM
im just thinking if a body was burried under concrete would a sniffer dock still pick it up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 02:45:PM
im just thinking if a body was burried under concrete would a sniffer dock still pick it up.





Yes,,it would nugs. The slightest scent/droplet,even, and a cadaver dog would pick it up. Even a hint of a body having been handled nearby.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 02:49:PM
Nugs,,given that another little girl has been found in Dublin living with a Roma family,,chances are,that Madeleine may have gone the same way. This child is 7.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 02:52:PM
yes thats what i thought and digging it up and dumping a body there would take a couple hours of work i think

im not sure it could done without anybody noticing

and i would as murret was the main suspect to start with someone might of picked up on the fact the driveway looked differnt..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 04:25:PM
yes thats what i thought and digging it up and dumping a body there would take a couple of work i think

im not sure it could done without anybody noticing

and i would as murret was the main suspect to start with someone might of picked up on the fact the driveway looked differnt..




Apparently Stephen Birch handed in his geo-radar evidence to the Portuguese police only last year,,after the busunessman spent a few hundred of his own money,as well as time in finding out why extra concrete was put on the driveway.
It all depends on the police there whether they want to re-open the case on the strength of this guys findings.
Kate McCann has poo-pooed the idea and doesn't believe the guy,,,,probably because she still thinks that Madeleine is alive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 04:35:PM
well the mcanns wouldent want it to be true so that would explian there lack of intrest


but it wouldn't explain other peoples.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 22, 2013, 08:02:PM
i dont think she is in the driveway. is there any proof he had his drive done after 3rd may :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 08:08:PM
if he had i think people might of noticed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 08:11:PM
i dont think she is in the driveway. is there any proof he had his drive done after 3rd may :-\ :-\ :-\





 Patti,,you can find this lame-brained theory by googling Stephen Birch.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 22, 2013, 08:17:PM




 Patti,,you can find this lame-brained theory by googling Stephen Birch.
if he had i think people might of noticed.

he has an obsession with this case, he's a balm pot lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 08:21:PM
he has an obsession with this case, he's a balm pot lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D




Oh yes,,mad as a hatter. ;D The South Africans are very self-opinionated.Look at the Pistorias lot.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 22, 2013, 08:23:PM
if the main suspect had had work done on his driveway shortly after the abduction i think even the incompetents who were investigating this case might just of noticed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 22, 2013, 08:29:PM
if the main suspect had had work done on his driveway shortly after the abduction i think even the incompetents who were investigating this case might just of noticed.



Oh yes,,mad as a hatter. ;D The South Africans are very self-opinionated.Look at the Pistorias lot.

there were work men in pdl t the time, but there were no search, a copper asked the foreman and he said he'd looked there was nothing.  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 09:03:PM
I'll stick to Hewletts story about the gypsies having taken her,,as I've never felt that the child was dead.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 22, 2013, 09:59:PM
I'll stick to Hewletts story about the gypsies having taken her,,as I've never felt that the child was dead.

Hi Lookout

Yes I would.  After all he does look and sound like a very reliable source of information  ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 22, 2013, 10:06:PM
Hi Lookout

Yes I would.  After all he does look and sound like a very reliable source of information  ::)




NN,,0ne of the most evil people to have lived on this planet. He probably knew who took the child,,or was no doubt involved in some way. The world is better without him,,though sadly,,more like him still exist.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 22, 2013, 11:10:PM



NN,,0ne of the most evil people to have lived on this planet. He probably knew who took the child,,or was no doubt involved in some way. The world is better without him,,though sadly,,more like him still exist.

Yes I've no doubt Lookout.  It seems to me that the McCann case has similarities to WHF in that 5a wasn't treated like a potential SoC and therefore much forensic evidence was lost due to contamination etc and crucial hours lost due to the Portuguese not appreciating the seriousness of the situation.

Don't believe 5a was watched and Maddie was targeted by an organised gang or even gypsies.  Think she wandered off and came to harm in some shape or form and the McCanns have convinced themselves that she was taken to alleviate their guilt for leaving 3 small children unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment whilst they were out on a jolly  :(  I can understand their reluctance to use the child minding services.  Its not something I would consider unless I had personally vetted the individuals.  Then again I would never ever leave 3 small children unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment  :o
 
Either the above or something occurred with a member of the tapas group.  What about the guy that requested a change of bedding for his daughter that had been unwell.  Was that all checked out?

Who would have thought the seemingly respectable Vincent Tabak had a dark side?  Not that he was a paedophile but you get my drift.

Thankfully most find paedophilia abhorrent but paedophiles come in all shapes and sizes.  I would imagine if you're that way inclined and you suddenly see lots of real life small children running around the beach/swimming pool naked or semi-naked it might lift a lid off something that otherwise might be contained if you get my drift.

4 men had a legitimate reason to enter 5a and statistically child abuse, sexual assault, murder, abduction occurs by persons known.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2013, 06:49:AM
I believe that until a thorough and comprehensive search is made of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL, that it cannot be ruled out that on the evening of Mad's disappearance, or some time shortly afterwards that she was taken there, was present there, and is still presently interned in the ground there, in a shallow grave...

Nothing would please me more to be proved wrong, but to date there has not been such a search conducted, alarm bells are ringing, Scotland yard have got to go there and dig the place up, leave no stone unturned, it shouldn't be a problem because its derelict, no-one lives there, just go there and do it, and bring this case to a conclusion, that's what I say...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 10:00:AM
There is absolutely no proof that anyone she knew had hurt her or covered up the fact she had an accident.  Just like there is no proof that she was abducted.  The fact is its a mysteriously disappeared from her bed while her parents had dinner and in the one and half hours that they were feeding 3 checks were made in apartment 5A. On the forth check she was discovered missing.

There is not one shred of evidence to say that any of the party were lying nor that they had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.  For those of you that believe she wondered off or met with an accident is poppycock....there is no proof of anything.

We still have the Smith family saying they saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing and until this has been fully investigated no one knows for sure if this was an abductor or not. Its likely that it was and its likely that it wasn't.  Its all speculation and assumptions.

We all have opinions and have the right to view them, but it is my opinion that she was indeed taken.  I might be wrong, but I could also be right. 

Part of me hopes that she is still alive, but part of me thinks she was killed within hours of her abduction.     
But, there is no proof she is dead like there is no proof she is alive. 

The whole investigation was a farce....The speculation of the missing blue holdall is just media crap and bad blog site banter.  There was never a holdall missing at all.

Its the same with the questions put to Kate. She was told by her lawyer to answer no to them all....but log sites and media had a bloody field day with it. 

The only thing Madeline's parents are guilty of is leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, but at the end of the they suffer for that mistake for the rest of their lives.  People forget that even though the children were in an unlocked apartment, they should still have been safe. No one had the right to enter it,nor did they have the right to steal a child.  If Madeline was taken we should be slating the monster that took her.

There are thousands of children being go missing every year and they are exploited in every way possible....If it was animals there would be a human outcry. The world and our government do nothing for the children in this world.....they suffer more than you will ever know.   :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 23, 2013, 10:15:AM
There is absolutely no proof that anyone she knew had hurt her or covered up the fact she had an accident.  Just like there is no proof that she was abducted.  The fact is its a mysteriously disappeared from her bed while her parents had dinner and in the one and half hours that they were feeding 3 checks were made in apartment 5A. On the forth check she was discovered missing.

There is not one shred of evidence to say that any of the party were lying nor that they had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.  For those of you that believe she wondered off or met with an accident is poppycock....there is no proof of anything.

We still have the Smith family saying they saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing and until this has been fully investigated no one knows for sure if this was an abductor or not. Its likely that it was and its likely that it wasn't.  Its all speculation and assumptions.

We all have opinions and have the right to view them, but it is my opinion that she was indeed taken.  I might be wrong, but I could also be right. 

Part of me hopes that she is still alive, but part of me thinks she was killed within hours of her abduction.     
But, there is no proof she is dead like there is no proof she is alive. 

The whole investigation was a farce....The speculation of the missing blue holdall is just media crap and bad blog site banter.  There was never a holdall missing at all.

Its the same with the questions put to Kate. She was told by her lawyer to answer no to them all....but log sites and media had a bloody field day with it. 

The only thing Madeline's parents are guilty of is leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, but at the end of the they suffer for that mistake for the rest of their lives.  People forget that even though the children were in an unlocked apartment, they should still have been safe. No one had the right to enter it,nor did they have the right to steal a child.  If Madeline was taken we should be slating the monster that took her.

There are thousands of children being go missing every year and they are exploited in every way possible....If it was animals there would be a human outcry. The world and our government do nothing for the children in this world.....they suffer more than you will ever know.   :( :( :( :(

Morning Patti

I Love you.

Mark Williams-Thomas a criminologist and child protection expert believes Maddie wandered off. 

Perhaps thousands of children do go missing each year but not from the UK?  We cant compare children who go missing from all over the world where cultural differences exist in terms of childcare.  Sadly I think it says a lot that little Maria's birth parents are having to be sought out contrast this with the McCanns and Needhams.  We need to compare like for like and as far as I am aware the only British born children that have gone missing overseas in the last 22 odd years are Maddie and Ben.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 23, 2013, 10:44:AM
Hi Patti

I don't agree that the children were safe left unsupervised in the apartment.  Anything could have happened from one of them waking from a distressing dream to a fire breaking out.

Also think how little Jamie Bulger wandered off and was then taken by Thompson and Venables.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 10:44:AM
Morning Patti

I Love you.

Mark Williams-Thomas a criminologist and child protection expert believes Maddie wandered off. 

Perhaps thousands of children do go missing each year but not from the UK?  We cant compare children who go missing from all over the world where cultural differences exist in terms of childcare.  Sadly I think it says a lot that little Maria's birth parents are having to be sought out contrast this with the McCanns and Needhams.  We need to compare like for like and as far as I am aware the only British born children that have gone missing overseas in the last 22 odd years are Maddie and Ben.

Morning NN :)

I think you will be surprised at the amount of missing children that are missing and go missing in the UK the percentage is very high. Children go missing every single day in in the UK some are found and some are never found.  London is full of unwanted or missing children,folk turn a blind eye on them.

Its time the media supported missing children more and its also time the government spent some money in setting up our own headquarters on missing people. We have the CEOP and the NSPCC but we need a major body in all respects....and we have nothing really just a telephone number to report cases. xxxx

Missing whilst abroad is very rare and I agree with that.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 10:46:AM
Hi Patti

I don't agree that the children were safe left unsupervised in the apartment.  Anything could have happened from one of them waking from a distressing dream to a fire breaking out.

Also think how little Jamie Bulger wandered off and was then taken by Thompson and Venables.

But what I am saying is that they should have been safe from an abduction. Not safe in regards to anything happening to them,like an accident I grant you.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 23, 2013, 10:56:AM
Morning NN :)

I think you will be surprised at the amount of missing children that are missing and go missing in the UK the percentage is very high. Children go missing every single day in in the UK some are found and some are never found.  London is full of unwanted or missing children,folk turn a blind eye on them.

Its time the media supported missing children more and its also time the government spent some money in setting up our own headquarters on missing people. We have the CEOP and the NSPCC but we need a major body in all respects....and we have nothing really just a telephone number to report cases. xxxx

Missing whilst abroad is very rare and I agree with that.   

Hi Patti

What is the % of children that go missing in the UK?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 10:59:AM
Hi Patti

What is the % of children that go missing in the UK?

I saw it the other day on the news and it was higher than those in Europe.  I will try and find it... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 11:14:AM
USA: 797,500 children younger than 18 were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in
an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
• 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
• 58,200 children were the victims of nonfamily abductions.
• 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. These crimes involve someone the child
does not know or a slight acquaintance who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or
more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.

In the UK, a child is reported missing every 3 minutes reported by Missing Children Bureau

A child in the UK goes missing every 5 minutes. Says ES http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/number-of-children-missing-in-london-up-by-a-third-8322791.html

This one says every 3 minutes.  http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/facts-and-stats-on-child-abuse/child-abduction-the-stats/missing-uk-children/

Above is the data base on missing and abused children.

Child alerts on Twitter report a missing child every 30 minutes....

There is loads of stuff online.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 11:17:AM
Sky news say 1000 children go missing every year in the UK....I suspect the majority of those are found, but sadly not all of them do. 

http://news.sky.com/story/655463/the-missing-uks-lost-children
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 23, 2013, 11:19:AM
I don't agree that the PJ hashed the investigation. The evidence proves that instead,the British government hampered it. I don't agree either that there is no evidence that Maddie may have come to some harm. We have the evidence from Eddie and Keela,brought in by the Leicestershire Police. Dogs don't lie. However,unfortunately it is a fact that the British Government do.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 23, 2013, 11:25:AM
Sky news say 1000 children go missing every year in the UK....I suspect the majority of those are found, but sadly not all of them do. 

http://news.sky.com/story/655463/the-missing-uks-lost-children
 

Thanks Patti.  I will read all the data.  I appreciate that 1000 children might go missing every year in the UK but where do they come from?  I don't believe that we can compare UK born children with those born overseas as imo big cultural differences exist in the standard of childcare.  Also what is the definition of "children"?  16 - 17 year olds that leave care or come from broken homes? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 11:33:AM
I don't agree that the PJ hashed the investigation. The evidence proves that instead,the British government hampered it. I don't agree either that there is no evidence that Maddie may have come to some harm. We have the evidence from Eddie and Keela,brought in by the Leicestershire Police. Dogs don't lie. However,unfortunately it is a fact that the British Government do.

Hi Tyler :)

Of course you can disagree, that's what its all about.  The fact and forensics tell a story, I'm sure you will agree with that. 

When M went missing the apartment just like WHF was made a thoroughfare which made fingerprinting and DNA sampling very difficult.  At the onset the police sent two traffic cops who had no idea how to handle a crime scene and did not take any steps to cordon off the apartment.  The shutter and windows had been touched and closed by the time the forensic team arrived. 

Amaral who headed the investigation did not turn up till 7am the following morning he was busy dining...The PJ did not take it seriously and failed to do relevant port/flight and road stops on the border to Spain.  They sent Ocean Club staff to search the bins and the area. Clips of the PJ searching were  not done side by side like our police do it....they were 25 to 50 yards apart....

Although the dogs found blood and cadaver in the car is inadmissible in a British court of law. DNA tests were done and it wasn't Madeline's....blood that is a fact.....The dogs can't say whose blood it was nor can they tell us who's dead body it was, that is why we rely on forensics and at the end of the day there were no forensic evidence that the blood or DNA found in the car was hers.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 11:34:AM
I don't agree that the PJ hashed the investigation. The evidence proves that instead,the British government hampered it. I don't agree either that there is no evidence that Maddie may have come to some harm. We have the evidence from Eddie and Keela,brought in by the Leicestershire Police. Dogs don't lie. However,unfortunately it is a fact that the British Government do.




Tyler,,the Portuguese police wouldn't allow the British police to intervene at any time during the investigation,,so the hands of the British police were well and truly tied. The laws in Portugal didn't allow outside interference within the jurisdiction of Portugal.
The PJ's did indeed hamper the investigation by not immediately cordoning off the apartment to treat it as a crime scene.Instead,,the world and its mother piled into the place,including the police and contaminated everywhere before any investigation began.
Every bit of evidence that was taken was contaminated/impaired,,and it was only two weeks after the childs' disappearance that another family moved into the apartment. It was at this stage that it was decided to do forensic tests,,,after this other family had vacated,,so any evidence gathered could well have belonged to the families ( including children ) who stayed at the apartment.

Yes,,the dogs did detect blood/death,,,but one thing those dogs couldn't do was to speak and tell officers whose blood it was.
The cadaver dog would have picked up the scent from Kates' clothing,,or even the wardrobe in which they hung,for the simple reason,that only a week previous to their holidays,she had attended 6 deaths,,either in the home,hospital or mortuary,,and try as you might to bathe,shower,etc,although you can rid yourself of a " smell " but with a cadaver dog and its sensitive nose,can detect it days,weeks,months after.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 11:38:AM



Tyler,,the Portuguese police wouldn't allow the British police to intervene at any time during the investigation,,so the hands of the British police were well and truly tied. The laws in Portugal didn't allow outside interference within the jurisdiction of Portugal.
The PJ's did indeed hamper the investigation by not immediately cordoning off the apartment to treat it as a crime scene.Instead,,the world and its mother piled into the place,including the police and contaminated everywhere before any investigation began.
Every bit of evidence that was taken was contaminated/impaired,,and it was only two weeks after the childs' disappearance that another family moved into the apartment. It was at this stage that it was decided to do forensic tests,,,after this other family had vacated,,so any evidence gathered could well have belonged to the families ( including children ) who stayed at the apartment.

Yes,,the dogs did detect blood/death,,,but one thing those dogs couldn't do was to speak and tell officers whose blood it was.
The cadaver dog would have picked up the scent from Kates' clothing,,or even the wardrobe in which they hung,for the simple reason,that only a week previous to their holidays,she had attended 6 deaths,,either in the home,hospital or mortuary,,and try as you might to bathe,shower,etc,although you can rid yourself of a " smell " but with a cadaver dog and its sensitive nose,can detect it days,weeks,months after.

They even allowed the bed clothes to be taken and washed the following day.....it was a major cock up... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 23, 2013, 11:41:AM
Hi Patti, you say that DNA tests proved that the blood wasn't Maddie's and that this is a fact. Was it by any chance the FSS that carried out the tests?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 11:48:AM
 

Thanks Patti.  I will read all the data.  I appreciate that 1000 children might go missing every year in the UK but where do they come from?  I don't believe that we can compare UK born children with those born overseas as imo big cultural differences exist in the standard of childcare.  Also what is the definition of "children"?  16 - 17 year olds that leave care or come from broken homes?

NN there are bad social areas in the UK perhaps you need to visit them in order to understand that they exist.  Whether they are born here or not some of them are missing from our soil. I think the definition is that if a child is in education then it is deemed that its a child.  The trouble is in our Country is that if a 4 to 12 year old goes missing it makes the front page, but anything older than that the media fail to respond, simply because it probably wont have the impact on the public as a 5 year old would.  I'm not saying I am right, but this is what I believe.   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 11:49:AM
Hi Patti, you say that DNA tests proved that the blood wasn't Maddie's and that this is a fact. Was it by any chance the FSS that carried out the tests?

We did the tests here in Birmingham Tyler....... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 11:51:AM
They even allowed the bed clothes to be taken and washed the following day.....it was a major cock up... :) :) :) :)




I forgot to mention the bedclothes being whipped off smartish. A suspicion in itself. Why so quick,,as I remember asking that question a few years ago. Any evidence was whisked away,or covered up. Destroyed,in other words.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 12:01:PM
Sky news say 1000 children go missing every year in the UK....I suspect the majority of those are found, but sadly not all of them do. 

http://news.sky.com/story/655463/the-missing-uks-lost-children




About 40% are found,Patti.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 12:02:PM



About 40% are found,Patti.

Horrendous Lookout....We all sit here and nothing is ever done. Its sad really.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 23, 2013, 12:04:PM
Ah,the results would be conclusive then Patti, as the government could not possibly have interfered with the FSS! On a different subject,are you absolutely convinced the 'tapas' 9 were checking their children every half an hour? Taking into account that Russell OBriens timeline jotted on Maddies activity book stated every hour (crossed out) every 15 minutes (crossed out) before he settled on every half an hour? And Mrs What's her name's (who lived upstairs) statement that on evening of May 1st that she heard Maddie crying for 77 minutes? Sorry lots of questions,have recently taken an interested as you can tell!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 12:17:PM
Ah,the results would be conclusive then Patti, as the government could not possibly have interfered with the FSS! On a different subject,are you absolutely convinced the 'tapas' 9 were checking their children every half an hour? Taking into account that Russell OBriens timeline jotted on Maddies activity book stated every hour (crossed out) every 15 minutes (crossed out) before he settled on every half an hour? And Mrs What's her name's (who lived upstairs) statement that on evening of May 1st that she heard Maddie crying for 77 minutes? Sorry lots of questions,have recently taken an interested as you can tell!

Hi Tyler :)

They worked together...I believe. I've never seen a copy of the M notebook so I can't say if that is true.
Mrs Fenn who lived upstairs did hear M crying and M told her parents about it the following day...If only they had taken notice of her. I must say that I wont ever understand why they left them and didn't lock the door?????? They have to live with that don't they.

Read my friends blog here it tells you all about the DNA and stuff. He is a criminologist and lives in Spain...  ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.ar/ ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 12:26:PM
Tyler this might be better to understand.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ
on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA
profile

This serves to add [to the case file] a laboratory examination report prepared
in England, written in English and translated into Portuguese, delivered to this
police force on 4 September 2007 by English police officer Stuart Prior.

This laboratory report tells about the examinations made of two trace evidence
recoveries, one behind the living room sofa in apartment 5A and the other in the
boot area of the vehicle used by the McCann family, hired [by them] from the end of May this year.

In some of these recoveries (samples) DNA was found whose components are also
found in the profile of Madeleine McCann.

With respect to the trace evidence recovered behind the sofa all the confirmed
DNA components coincide with corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann.

In the sample collected in the boot area of the vehicle, 15 of the identified
DNA components coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann, this of [having] 19 components.

Portimao, 11 September 2007
Inspector
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 23, 2013, 12:29:PM
Patti,yes I believe that they worked together! Thanks for link,I will read it when on my laptop. Chris Spivey's website has an interesting blog called "Gerry's tunnel vision" which goes some way to explain the government and masonic interference in the case. Mike would be interested in that I would think.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 12:36:PM
Patti,yes I believe that they worked together! Thanks for link,I will read it when on my laptop. Chris Spivey's website has an interesting blog called "Gerry's tunnel vision" which goes some way to explain the government and masonic interference in the case. Mike would be interested in that I would think.

Tyler my lovely I don't read blogs like that or sites that don't have org in them, for they are not trusted especially if they are anti....lol Yes, Mike would be interested in that I'm sure...

This is a much better site and has all the statements on it and its full of facts and the person in neutral to the case....
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 12:39:PM
The thing is,,if there's no evidence to support the DNA,,the test is deemed useless.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 12:39:PM
The thing is,,if there's no evidence to support the DNA,,the test is deemed useless.

Correct lookout there is no match.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 23, 2013, 12:48:PM
Patti, don't get me wrong,I don't read all of the conspiracy theory sites. I have been reading the Maddie files. I like to read what Chris has to say as I know he is a very intelligent man. (I have to say that as I want him to do me another tattoo very soon) lol
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 12:54:PM
Patti, don't get me wrong,I don't read all of the conspiracy theory sites. I have been reading the Maddie files. I like to read what Chris has to say as I know he is a very intelligent man. (I have to say that as I want him to do me another tattoo very soon) lol

Hahahaha How many have you got???????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 12:55:PM
Any JB fans should read this......

Firstly, here are the last three results you are expecting

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab 3a. The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.

There is no evidence to support the view that Madeline MCCann contributed DNA to the swab 3B.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion.

Why - ...

Well lets look at the question that is being asked

"Is there DNA from Madeline on the swab "

It would be very simple to say "yes" simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.

What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine and legitimate; because Madeline has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeline merely appears to match the result by chance. The individual components in Madeline's profile are not unique to her, it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeline's profile are also present within the the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. it's important to stress that 50% of Madeline's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles.

Therefore, we cannot answer the question: is the match genuine or is it a chance match.

The same applies to any result that is quoted as being too complex for meaningful inclusion/interpretation

What questions will we never be able to answer with LCN DNA profiling -

When was the DNA deposited - 
How was the DNA deposited - 
What body fluid(s) does the DIVA originate from - 
Was a crime committed -

These, along with all other results, will be formalised in a final report

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you require any further assistance

kind regards
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 23, 2013, 01:04:PM
Patti, has it been confirmed that GM is biological father? Wasn't Maddie conceived by IVF? GM may be infertile and a donor used? Though I'm sure both parents DNA would have had to have been taken for analysis/comparisons. I just can't understand why the PJ were refused Maddies medical records.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 01:12:PM
Patti, has it been confirmed that GM is biological father? Wasn't Maddie conceived by IVF? GM may be infertile and a donor used? Though I'm sure both parents DNA would have had to have been taken for analysis/comparisons. I just can't understand why the PJ were refused Maddies medical records.

Yes they are the natural parents and yes she was.  It tells you in the original files that were made public by law by the PJ that they are her parents. Yes she was conceived by IVF having failed the first time round. 

I've seen people say awful things Tyler about Madeline not being their natural child, but she is....Medical records were never refused... :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 23, 2013, 01:18:PM
Thank you for clearing that up for me Patti x
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 01:20:PM
Yes they are the natural parents and yes she was.  It tells you in the original files that were made public by law by the PJ that they are her parents. Yes she was conceived by IVF having failed the first time round. 

I've seen people say awful things Tyler about Madeline not being their natural child, but she is....Medical records were never refused... :) :) :) :) :)




Patti,,it was that blooming 24Horas newspaper that spread the rumours of different parentage. 3 guesses who instigated that one.! Initials GA.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 01:35:PM
This proves that there were no blood or DNA found behind the sofa or on the tiles where the dogs barked...If anyone is interested in the facts about this particular phase in the case that the dogs were telling the truth...

This report summarises the results of DNA profiling tests conducted on a number of samples submitted to the Birmingham laboratory of the Forensic Science Service(R) from the Leicestershire Constabulary on behalf of the Pol - ia Judiciaria and Laboratorio De Policia Cientifica on 7th August 2007 This report is marked for the attention of Detective Superintendent Prior; however I understand and accept that the contents of this report will be shared with the necessary authorities in Portugal.

I have received from my colleague, Sarah Vraitch, copies of the reference DNA profiles of Gerald McCann (CB/1), Kate Healy (CB/2), Amelie McCann (SBM/2) and Sean McCann (SBM/3). I have also received a copy of the DNA profile obtained from the possible saliva staining on the pillow case (SJM/1) which is assumed to be the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann.

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material on the swab (3A) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material on the wet swab (3B) from the same area was unsuccessful in that no profile was obtained.

Weak and incomplete DNA results which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components were obtained from cellular material on the wet and dry swabs (14A & B} from the back of the sofa.

A weak and incomplete DNA result which showed indications of having originated from more than one person was obtained from cellular material on the dry swab (15A) from the back of the sofa.

A DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people and which appeared to have originated from at least two males who had contributed the majority of the DNA was obtained from cellular material obtained from the wet swab of the sofa (15B). in my opinion there is no evidence to support the view that Gerald McCann or Madeline McCann contributed DNA to this result. The DNA from this swab has not been subjected to LCN DNA profiling tests.

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material recovered from the edges of tile 2 286/2007-CRL(2) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from a further area on tile 2 and two areas on tile 3 (286/2007-CRL(3) were unsuccessful in that no profiles were obtained.

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only two unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material recovered from the hem of one of the blue curtains 286A/2007-CRL(16(2)) from the apartment.

An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from one area of the plastic luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(2))) from the motor vehicle was unsuccessful in that no DNA profiles were obtained.

A low level mixed DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least two people was obtained from a second area of the plastic luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(2))) from the motor vehicle. In my opinion this result is too complex to interpret at this stage.

A low level mixed DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the fibre coated luggage component (286C/2007-CRL(10(1))) from the motor vehicle. In my opinion this result is too complex to interpret at this stage.

A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card (286C/2007-CRL(12)). This sample has not been sent for further testing using LCN DNA profiling tests.

Low level incomplete DNA results, which in certain circumstances showed a contribution of DNA from more than one person were obtained from biological material on the following swabs: 286A/2007 CRL 14a, 14b, 15a; the swab from the hem of the curtain 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2; the swabs from the tile pieces 286/2007 CRL 2 areas 1 and 2 and 3 area 1. In my opinion there is no evidence to support the view that anyone from the McCann family contributed their DNA to them results.

An attempt to obtain an LCN DNA result from any cellular material on the swab from area one of the luggage compartment section (286C/2007 CRL 10) was unsuccesful in that no profile was obtained.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a male was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A/2007 CRL 1a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a female was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A/2007 CRL 4a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case.

An incomplete LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from a male was obtained from cellular material from the swab (286A12007 CRL 9a & b). The profile did not match any of those previously tested in this case. Furthermore, it did not match the profile obtained from the swab, 286A/2007 CRL 1a & b.

Mixed LCN DNA results which appeared to have originated from at least two people were obtained from cellular material recovered from the swabs (286A/2007 CRL 2a & b, 5a 7 b, 7a & b, 10a & b and 12a & b). in my opinion there is not evidence to support the view that any of the McCann family contributed DNA to Yhis result.

Attempts to obtain an LCN DNA result from any cellular material on the swabs 286A/2007 CRL 11a & b & 13a & b and from tile pieces 286/2007 CRL 3 area 2 were unsuccessful in that no DNA profiles were obtained; possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

LCN DNA results which contained too little information for meaningful interpretation were obtained from cellular material on the swabs 286A/2007 CRL 6a & b and 8a & b).
LCN DNA results which appeared to have originated from at least three people and which were too complex for meaningful interpretation were obtained from cellular material recovered from the swabs taken from the tiles 286/2007 CRL 1, 6, 7,8, 10 & 11).

An attempt to obtain an LCN DNA result from any cellular material on the swabs from the tiles 286/2007 CR/L 5 stains 1, 2 & 3 were unsuccessful in that no DNA profile was obtained.

An LCN DNA result which contained to little information for meaningful interpretation was obtained from cellular material on the swab from the tile (286/2007 CR/L 9).

Low level LCN DNA results were obtained from cellular material on the swabs from the tiles (286/2007 CR/L 4 & 12). In my opinion there is no evidence to support the view that anyone in the McCann Family contributed DNA to these results.

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3a). The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive; it is not possible attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.

A low level LCN DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3b). In my opinion there is no evidence to support the view that Madeleine McCann contributed DNA to this result.

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. In my opinion this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation.

The curtains (286A/2007 - CR/L 16 and 16B) and the piece of white curtain (286B/2007 - CR/L 1) and the fragments of bushes (286/2007 CR/L 21) were examined for the presence of blood. No blood was found.

The small fragments of tile, and bags of dust and cement glue (286/2007 CR/L 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 & 20) were not examined at the laboratory.

if I can be of further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me at the laboratory.
Yours sincerely,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 01:40:PM



Patti,,it was that blooming 24Horas newspaper that spread the rumours of different parentage. 3 guesses who instigated that one.! Initials GA.

It was, plus all those that believed in his book and clearly he had no idea on how to police. He couldn't solve the crime when he was in the PJ and yet he claimed to have solved it in his book....The only thing he solved was his bank balance for a short while....lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 02:31:PM
It was, plus all those that believed in his book and clearly he had no idea on how to police. He couldn't solve the crime when he was in the PJ and yet he claimed to have solved it in his book....The only thing he solved was his bank balance for a short while....lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D





How right you are,Patti. ;D ;D ;D ;D We never did hear any more about the " surprise " funds found in that PJ's bank account. Mind you,,he didn't even know where it came from,koff koff.! Say no more. ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 02:47:PM
we have never found out who put these suprise funds in his bank account.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 03:46:PM
we have never found out who put these suprise funds in his bank account.





No nugs,,and I doubt we will ever know. Another sleight of hand.!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 03:50:PM
a bit of a funny coincidence though isnt it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 03:59:PM




How right you are,Patti. ;D ;D ;D ;D We never did hear any more about the " surprise " funds found in that PJ's bank account. Mind you,,he didn't even know where it came from,koff koff.! Say no more. ;D

He koffed it up to the press, its common knowledge that is why he was sacked and because he was being investigated for the beating of this woman. He claims the woman fell down the stairs....right oh...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 04:04:PM
how come so many people manage to fall done the sairs in a police station.

they really need to do something to make there stairs safer.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 04:11:PM
how come so many people manage to fall done the sairs in a police station.

they really need to do something to make there stairs safer.

They do Nugs.  This is serving a life sentence for the murder of her daughter. Amaral claimed she and her brother chopped the little girl up and put her in a freezer.  Later, the brother turned evidence on his sister telling the court that she did it....its a long story, but the brother maintained that the child was indeed abducted and neither of them were responsible for her death....The girl has never been found and is 7 miles from the resort PDL.....Lookout and I did a lot of homework on this case many years ago.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 04:15:PM
yes another case a kid went missing and he fitted up the parents i see a patern here.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 04:18:PM
yes another case a kid went missing and he fitted up the parents i see a patern here.

There was another incident on the beach where a woman claimed her son had been abducted and he accused her of drowning him in the sea....The bottom of it all....the parents are all liars and he tells the truth although he makes that truth up....He does not believe that people take children.  ???
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 04:22:PM
or hes payed not to believe it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 04:49:PM
or hes payed not to believe it.





Yes,nugs,,he was getting his back-handers from somewhere,,as at the time,he was in a mess,financially,,and the worry of it reflected the way he conducted the crimes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 05:01:PM
well the only reason he would of got a backhander and we know he did get a back hander would be to turn a blind eye to something.

but what could that something be.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 05:14:PM
well the only reason he would of got a backhander and we know he did get a back hander would be to turn a blind eye to something.

but what could that something be.




That remains to be the question,nugs. He thought he'd have to sell his beloved car,,that's how bad things were,,but his wife stumped up to stop it being either sold or re-possessed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 05:24:PM
who was he in debt to wonder was it or someone else.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 05:30:PM
who was he in debt to wonder was it or someone else.





I've no idea nugs,,but I have a feeling that snippets of it were given out in 2007 at the beginning of the case when " things " started to leak out about him. Probably after half a dozen of their officers got the push.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 05:35:PM
does anybody know how he got into so much debt.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 05:45:PM
does anybody know how he got into so much debt.





Probably the high life nugs,,of which he was fond of.During the McCann case he could be found in restaurants scoffing and boozing constantly. Imagine our officers boozing between breaks.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 06:36:PM
Nugs,,in the newspaper that Amaral used to nearly break his neck running to with tales/lies about the McCanns ( 24Horas ) they printed that in 2009 he owed 486 thousand euros,,and the judge ordered the siezure of his house and beloved car. His finances were already precarious before his last court appearance where the McCanns were suing him about the book he wrote,,which was full of libellous script.
Amaral had been hoping to make a quick buck to get him out of the mire,,but the McCanns blocked it from appearing on the shelves here in the UK.
Tax and debt hung over him for years. A fine example of the big" I am" in the police,who was only interested in himself and thought he could pin the blame on the McCanns and earn himself a few more euros for a job which he said was cut and dried. A disgrace to his force.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 23, 2013, 06:44:PM
now how the hell did he got that much credit on his salary.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 23, 2013, 06:46:PM
lookout you and april happy ladies tonight.  Susan back on topic ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 06:58:PM
now how the hell did he got that much credit on his salary.





It's obviously been building up,nugs and he hasn't let on. He'll have been in denial.
There's more to his dirty dealings. In 2010,,a fund was set up for him asking pensioners to pay in their pension. ??? ??? ??? His friend Joanna Morais sat it up for him.,in preparation for being sued for his book.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 07:34:PM




It's obviously been building up,nugs and he hasn't let on. He'll have been in denial.
There's more to his dirty dealings. In 2010,,a fund was set up for him asking pensioners to pay in their pension. ??? ??? ??? His friend Joanna Morais sat it up for him.,in preparation for being sued for his book.

I think the Daily Star should be sued...Have you read the front page? Its disgusting.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 07:43:PM
Maddie found in Ireland.? Is that it.? I haven't read it,,only that a second child was found today,,and it gave no details.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 23, 2013, 07:47:PM
lookout did you hear on the news about the little blonde girl taken from a house in Dublin that they are her birth parents DNA tests carried out.  Imagine taking away your child for no other reason other than she was blonde :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 07:50:PM
lookout did you hear on the news about the little blonde girl taken from a house in Dublin that they are her birth parents DNA tests carried out.  Imagine taking away your child for no other reason other than she was blonde :'(




I didn't see that Susan,,just that a second child who was found today,,was Madeleine.??? I don't know if it's the same Roma family,,but it was a Roma family who had the child.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 23, 2013, 07:53:PM
Lookout on the main news tonight did not mention any second child though only the little blonde girl was the daughter of the couple she was taken from :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 08:06:PM
Lookout on the main news tonight did not mention any second child though only the little blonde girl was the daughter of the couple she was taken from :(



Now I'm getting mixed up.There was the 14 year old on Sunday,in Dublin.Then this one where they are the childs' parents,,and at lunchtime today,,there was another child in Dublin found with a Roma family,,making 3 in all,,except one will be reunited back with her family. What a mix up. Panic and hysteria has set in now where there are fair-haired children.
What about blonde women with black babies.? Will they get arrested.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 23, 2013, 08:14:PM
lookout just heard the news in the backgroud not sure which child was taken from her natural parents.  The world has gone mad.  Just brought the news up it is the 7 year old Roma girl who was taken from her natural parents now reunited after DNA tests prove she is their daughter what a state of affairs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 08:27:PM
lookout just heard the news in the backgroud not sure which child was taken from her natural parents.  The world has gone mad.  Just brought the news up it is the 7 year old Roma girl who was taken from her natural parents now reunited after DNA tests prove she is their daughter what a state of affairs.




This is what happens through hearsay,Susan. Usually authorities like social services won't act on a phone-call,as 9 times out of 10,,it's someone getting their own back on a neighbour.
In the Maria case,,it was the authorities that physically saw the child,and took a chance, but with this 7 year old,,it was word of mouth. I hope this isn't how it's going to be conducted,,or the kids are going to be hidden from view altogether and there'll be no chance of finding any more. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 23, 2013, 08:38:PM
Maddie found in Ireland.? Is that it.? I haven't read it,,only that a second child was found today,,and it gave no details.

Yes that is it. 

They found a young girl in Ireland about 10 days ago wondering the streets she had been abused or something, but not heard about it since or who she belongs to. 

The 7 year old, I read earlier had been returned to her family following a DNA test.  The problem is people jumping to conclusions, which will lead to children being taken from their natural parents as in the case of the 7 year old in Dublin....The authorities have to tread very carefully here....in my opinion.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 23, 2013, 08:44:PM
Hi Patti it is dreadful really taking an innocent child from her parents think it was neighbours who tipped the police off :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 09:05:PM
More Romas have been arrested in Lesvos,the Aegean today,for trying to register a little 22 month old boy as their own. Authorities should be scouring Greece for these abducted children.Bless their little hearts. Nobody knows who Maria belongs to,poor little mite. I hope their foster/adoption rules are as strict as ours if and when the time comes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 23, 2013, 10:16:PM
Madeleine case to be re-opened in Portugal because of new leads.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on October 24, 2013, 11:23:AM
More Romas have been arrested in Lesvos,the Aegean today,for trying to register a little 22 month old boy as their own. Authorities should be scouring Greece for these abducted children.Bless their little hearts. Nobody knows who Maria belongs to,poor little mite. I hope their foster/adoption rules are as strict as ours if and when the time comes.
And there's me thinking that gypsies kidnap children only in fairy tales. I never thought it was true. Although I must admit that as a very young child I used to be afraid of going up the top fields when a family of them arrived in town. I'm not sure if little Maddy is still alive after all the publicity the case has received? Children who are kidnapped in the far east for the disgusting sex trade are usually murdered if that only become ill. These men can be very brutal. Bordering on some sub human species.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2013, 02:41:PM
i cant see why the gypsies would steal children i mean havent they got enough of there own why would they want more.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 24, 2013, 02:59:PM
Nugnug  I suspect they steal little children to sell on :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 24, 2013, 03:18:PM
i cant see why the gypsies would steal children i mean havent they got enough of there own why would they want more.




Nugs,,they get child benefit,,just by registering any child,,and because they travel about,,they register in different countries,,which boosts their income.So a nice little earner when there are no legalities such as we've got here.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2013, 03:34:PM
you only get child benfit in the uk not all the rest of eroupe has it.

child benfit does not cover the cost of keeping children anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 24, 2013, 03:42:PM
you only get child benfit in the uk not all the rest of eroupe has it.

child benfit does not cover the cost of keeping children anyway.




They get some kind of benefit,nugs,,because where Marie was,,they were getting a few thousand a month.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 24, 2013, 03:44:PM
As well as sending the children out to beg,,or sell what they've made,,baskets,rugs and the like.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on October 24, 2013, 07:15:PM
you only get child benfit in the uk not all the rest of eroupe has it.

child benfit does not cover the cost of keeping children anyway.
No. My child benefit would hardly cover the cost of a good night out. ::)  ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 24, 2013, 07:20:PM
Grahame does your wife get child benefit for you thought you were older ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on October 24, 2013, 07:46:PM
Grahame does your wife get child benefit for you thought you were older ;D ;D ;D
No. All our kids are grown up. It was a joke. ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on October 24, 2013, 07:50:PM
Grahame I kinda guessed that ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 07:08:AM
Portuguese police have now reopened the investigation into Mad's disappearance, and I sincerely hope that they will now start looking into the derelict building and its grounds near to the church at PDL - we are now making some progress, the truth about what took place will soon be discovered:

(1) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24655826

(2) - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/438868/Portuguese-police-reopen-Madeleine-McCann-investigation
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 06:45:PM
Now that Portuguese police have finally reopened the investigation I may post the emails I sent them upon my return to the UK...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:28:PM
Police are supposedly looking for a gang of up to 5 pedophiles in connection with the disappearance of Mad's, arrests should be imminent...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:31:PM
Police are supposedly looking for a gang of up to 5 pedophiles in connection with the disappearance of Mad's, arrests should be imminent...

At least one member of the tapas group is suspected of being one of the five, possibly two members of the gang, which leaves three maybe four other gang members. Arrests are likely to be imminent, so watch this space...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 25, 2013, 09:34:PM
At least one member of the tapas group is suspected of being one of the five, possibly two members of the gang, which leaves three maybe four other gang members. Arrests are likely to be imminent, so watch this space...

Hi Mike :)

That's not true.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:37:PM
Hi Mike :)

That's not true.  :) :) :) :)

Hi Patti,

I believe it to be true, Mad's disappearance was an inside job...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 25, 2013, 09:41:PM
Hi Patti,

I believe it to be true, Mad's disappearance was an inside job...

Mike I would rather wait to see what the police come up with, rather than accuse anybody. We have to consider libel actions if we start accusing those who might be innocent of M's disappearance.  But on saying that we all have different beliefs in what happened that night.  To me its a mystery.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:41:PM
Hi Patti,

I believe it to be true, Mad's disappearance was an inside job...

Somebody from amongst the tapas group knows what happened to Mad's, I believe Scotland yard have got evidence to link that / these persons to other pedophiles, suspected of being involved in the abduction - top of my list is David Payne...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:44:PM
Mike I would rather wait to see what the police come up with, rather than accuse anybody. We have to consider libel actions if we start accusing those who might be innocent of M's disappearance.  But on saying that we all have different beliefs in what happened that night.  To me its a mystery.  :) :) :) :)

Hi Patti,

Everything points to the involvement of an insider, in my opinion, somebody who may have had links to undesirables, via internet, and mobile phone, records...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:46:PM
Hi Patti,

Everything points to the involvement of an insider, in my opinion, somebody who may have had links to undesirables, via internet, and mobile phone, records...

David Payne had an unhealthy interest in young Mad's, in my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 25, 2013, 09:48:PM
Hi Patti,

Everything points to the involvement of an insider, in my opinion, somebody who may have had links to undesirables, via internet, and mobile phone, records...

Mike.  Payne was the only male that never left the table that night...they had a child monitor.  I can only think that someone who knew their routine would have taken her though.   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:49:PM
Payne needs to be spoken to by the brits, police, he is top of my "WHO DUNNIT, HE DID IT" hit list, I am afraid...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:53:PM
Mike.  Payne was the only male that never left the table that night...they had a child monitor.  I can only think that someone who knew their routine would have taken her though.   :) :) :) :)

Hi Patti,

It is rather interesting that you should say he was the only male group member who did not leave the tapas restaurant that night (Bingo). He had a perfect alibi, and a means of communicating with other gang members via the child monitor...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 09:55:PM
Other gang members could be:-

Murat
Malinka
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 25, 2013, 10:00:PM
Hi Patti,

It is rather interesting that you should say he was the only male group member who did not leave the tapas restaurant that night (Bingo). He had a perfect alibi, and a means of communicating with other gang members via the child monitor...

Mike the monitor was to pick up his childrens sounds....his children couldn't hear the racket from the tapas bar....Payne isn't involved Mike...One of the other two is a big maybe..The last time I heard Malinka was in England... :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 10:01:PM
I honestly believe that police are closing in on those responsible for Mad's disappearance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 25, 2013, 10:04:PM
I honestly believe that police are closing in on those responsible for Mad's disappearance...

I hope so Mike and I also hope they are planning to do a runner.... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 10:09:PM
Mike the monitor was to pick up his childrens sounds....his children couldn't hear the racket from the tapas bar....Payne isn't involved Mike...One of the other two is a big maybe..The last time I heard Malinka was in England... :) :) :) :) :)

Hi Patti,

I also think Malinka is a gang member, yes...

David Payne, still remains the most likeliest tapas group member to be in on the pay off, as far as I am concerned. How does anybody know which monitor David Payne had in his possession at the tapas bar that evening? For all we know he could have had the other monitor, so that other members of the gang listened in on what was happening at the tapas bar, not the other way around, I suggest...

He took a peculiar interest in Kate and the children that evening, whilst Gerry was out playing tennis...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 10:12:PM
Patti, what can you tell me about a boating accident that afternoon, involving David Payne, when he nearly drowned...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 25, 2013, 10:13:PM
I honestly believe that police are closing in on those responsible for Mad's disappearance...

Hi Mike

Yes so do I  ;)

I noted on the bbc this morning that they made reference to the potential for witnesses coming forward as a result of relationships breaking up  ;)

I have my own theories but will keep  :-X as I do not believe it is right to accuse without firm evidence.  All I will say is that I don't think the person was unknown to Maddie and I most definitely do not think the person responsible was her daddy.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 25, 2013, 10:14:PM
Hi Patti,

I also think Malinka is a gang member, yes...

David Payne, still remains the most likeliest tapas group member to be in on the pay off, as far as I am concerned. How does anybody know which monitor David Payne had in his possession at the tapas bar that evening? For all we know he could have had the other monitor, so that other members of the gang listened in on what was happening at the tapas bar, not the other way around, I suggest...

He took a peculiar interest in Kate and the children that evening, whilst Gerry was out playing tennis...

Hi Mike :)

I think you are on about when Payne went to the apartment in the early evening.  It was Gerry that was worried as to why Kate hadn't brought the children down to the play area and Gerry asked Payne to call in at the apartment to see why they hadn't come down.  The reason they didn't go down was because the children were shattered.....and when Payne arrived Kate had just got out of the shower....Not sure how true  that is though....it might be a media tale.  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 10:20:PM
Hi Mike

Yes so do I  ;)

I noted on the bbc this morning that they made reference to the potential for witnesses coming forward as a result of relationships breaking up  ;)

I have my own theories but will keep  :-X as I do not believe it is right to accuse without firm evidence.  All I will say is that I don't think the person was unknown to Maddie and I most definitely do not think the person responsible was her daddy.

I respect your opinion, and like you  I believe Maddie was taken as a result of someone known to her, not a complete stranger. David Payne fits that profile in my opinion...

My monies on Payne being a gang member, his alibi is too perfect, and he had a means of communicating with others gang members under the watchful eye of everyone else present at the tapas bar...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 10:26:PM
Payne, Murat and another suspect, all look alike, which may be a pertinent feature in the new police investigation...

Dopple ganger, pedophile gang, where one or other gang member has the perfect alibi, particularly, if one look a like, covers for another...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 25, 2013, 10:33:PM
Like Murat,,the newspapers paid damages to the Tapas 7 for printing libellous statements. They got £375,000,,Murat about £600,000.
Are they likely to accept damages if they're guilty.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 25, 2013, 10:35:PM
Kate and Gerry received £550,000 damages for libel.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 10:40:PM
We will have to wait and see, but I feel strongly that there was inside involvement in Mad's disappearance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 25, 2013, 10:44:PM
A chap called Fazackerley,who was a friend of Malinkas',,lived in Leicestershire.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 25, 2013, 10:57:PM
We will have to wait and see, but I feel strongly that there was inside involvement in Mad's disappearance...

Absolutely.  The stats speak for themselves.  Ben Needham went missing in 1991 and Maddie went missing in 2007.  16 years between and as far as I'm aware the only British children gone missing whilst overseas.  Difference is Ben disappeared outside his grandparents villa in nearby fields alone.  Maddie  disappeared from inside.  I would say the chances of a stranger abduction from inside are near zero.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 11:02:PM
Absolutely.  The stats speak for themselves.  Ben Needham went missing in 1991 and Maddie went missing in 2007.  16 years between and as far as I'm aware the only British children gone missing whilst overseas.  Difference is Ben disappeared outside his grandparents villa in nearby fields alone.  Maddie  disappeared from inside.  I would say the chances of a stranger abduction from inside are near zero.

Insider involvement, no doubt whatsoever about it, in my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 25, 2013, 11:04:PM
Photographs taken by me, of the derelict building, posted on Gerry McCanns website:-

(1) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski1.htm

(2) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 26, 2013, 07:04:AM
Payne, Murat and another suspect, all look alike, which may be a pertinent feature in the new police investigation...

Dopple ganger, pedophile gang, where one or other gang member has the perfect alibi, particularly, if one look a like, covers for another...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 26, 2013, 07:10:AM
Doppleganger criminals - a growing industry...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 26, 2013, 05:35:PM
Good news for the McCann's as Portuguese make them assistentes in the on going new investigation and the reopening of the case in Portugal.

This will mean that the McCann's can have security uplifted and they will be informed of any new leads and have access to files during the new investigation.  It will also mean that if anything ends up in court the McCann's can ask their own questions and can take out their own prosecutions.

The Portuguese also said:

'Madeleine’s parents are the ones with most interest in abiding by the secrecy order and maintaining the efficiency of the investigation. But I can say that the information they got from the Portuguese police directly is that the new lines of investigation absolve them of any responsibility in their daughter’s disappearance.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 26, 2013, 05:38:PM
Good news for the McCann's as Portuguese make them assistentes in the on going new investigation and the reopening of the case in Portugal.

This will mean that the McCann's can have security uplifted and they will be informed of any new leads and have access to files during the new investigation.  It will also mean that if anything ends up in court the McCann's can ask their own questions and can take out their own prosecutions.

The Portuguese also said:

'Madeleine’s parents are the ones with most interest in abiding by the secrecy order and maintaining the efficiency of the investigation. But I can say that the information they got from the Portuguese police directly is that the new lines of investigation absolve them of any responsibility in their daughter’s disappearance.
Brilliant news Patti, long time coming.  ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 26, 2013, 05:53:PM
Brilliant news Patti, long time coming.  ;D

It is Maggie at long last and maybe the wicked people that have said shocking things will now lay low and stop their fight against those who are innocent of any crime. 

The police have valid information, that exonerates the McCann's, what that info is remains secret for the time being....They know something, which is wonderful Maggie....Lets hope that things will now move swiftly in finding the truth about Madeleine's disappearance  :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 26, 2013, 06:05:PM
It is Maggie at long last and maybe the wicked people that have said shocking things will now lay low and stop their fight against those who are innocent of any crime. 

The police have valid information, that exonerates the McCann's, what that info is remains secret for the time being....They know something, which is wonderful Maggie....Lets hope that things will now move swiftly in finding the truth about Madeleine's disappearance  :) :) :) :) :) :)




I was pleased to read about that,Patti,,as the McCanns have had a rough time of it,,even now,as people still insist that they're guilty,etc etc. It'll be one in the eye for the doubters and name-callers if Madeleine is found " safe ",,which I'm sincerely hoping. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 27, 2013, 03:10:PM
3 children go missing no body is ever found in the same area and the same policeman is investigating each case coincidence ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 27, 2013, 03:14:PM
It is Maggie at long last and maybe the wicked people that have said shocking things will now lay low and stop their fight against those who are innocent of any crime. 

The police have valid information, that exonerates the McCann's, what that info is remains secret for the time being....They know something, which is wonderful Maggie....Lets hope that things will now move swiftly in finding the truth about Madeleine's disappearance  :) :) :) :) :) :)

I understand the police are now convinced that Mad's was not taken out of PDL, but she was taken to a hideaway in the heart of the resort...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 27, 2013, 03:20:PM
i think whoever put that money in gonco amorals account is behind the abduction of Maddie and the other 2 children.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 27, 2013, 03:22:PM
I understand the police are now convinced that Mad's was not taken out of PDL, but she was taken to a hideaway in the heart of the resort...

She was taken to a location south of the place where the Smith family saw the person carrying her off, at around 10pm that night...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 28, 2013, 07:45:AM
Mad's ended up here, after she went missing, inside the derelict building opposite the church at PDL, it is understood police have possession of mobile phone records of people who entered the grounds of these premises at significant moments after Mad's went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 28, 2013, 05:24:PM
Interviewing has begun in Portugal,,and two handymen who fixed the shutters at apartment 5a were first on the list.
Luis Ferro and Mario Mereiro. Both of these guys provided DNA samples back in 2007.

I actually take back a lot I said about the Portuguese police,,as at the beginning of the investigation,,everyone who was available at that time,produced DNA samples,,and I mean everyone.
Then the apartment had a thorough scouring with all kinds of hair samples taken from every floor,,all beds,,seating,,settees,bathroom and curtains. They didn't leave a stone unturned as far as gathering evidence was concerned......Just a pity the findings weren't followed up.

If WHF had been as thoroughly investigated during 5 murders,,as 1 missing child in Portugal was,,then I'd have said that the police did their job,,but sadly,,the PJ's take first place in their investigations as opposed to our own.
However,,both lots of officers got it wrong in the end.Both wanted to secure convictions-------quickly.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2013, 06:02:PM
the qustion is why did they collect all this rvedence and fail to follow it up.

looks like the unfiormed offcers did a good job.

but then the detectives screwd up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 28, 2013, 06:33:PM
the qustion is why did they collect all this rvedence and fail to follow it up.

looks like the unfiormed offcers did a good job.

but then the detectives screwd up.




Nugs,,,one of the guys being interviewed,,Lois Ferro,,when his DNA was taken in 2007,,there was a test called a Haplotype which was identified by the letter K which was found in 16  samples,,including Murat and his now wife,,Michaela Walczuch,,and of course this Luis guy.
1,,in Residencia Liliana,( Murats' home ) 13 in a Volkswagen,,1 in a Renault and 1 in a Passat.
These samples were from those persons with the same maternal bloodlines.

Why on earth weren't these results ever followed up.? In the hire car that the McCanns had,,a hair,,complete with root,belonged to Robert Murat. I don't remember this ever being questioned,,and it wouldn't surprise me if Murat had told police he'd never driven the vehicle.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 28, 2013, 07:57:PM
Interesting! Would Murat have had to have driven the hire car for a hair of his to have been found in there? The McCanns carried things from the apartment in that car. Murat may have been in apartment 5a and the hair was secondary transfer? Still think he was involved. He lies about his whereabouts that evening and changed his clothes 3 times.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on October 28, 2013, 08:00:PM
Interesting! Would Murat have had to have driven the hire car for a hair of his to have been found in there? The McCanns carried things from the apartment in that car. Murat may have been in apartment 5a and the hair was secondary transfer? Still think he was involved. He lies about his whereabouts that evening and changed his clothes 3 times.
I haven't read a lot about the case tyler but have always thought Murat and his dodgy friends were involved.   :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 28, 2013, 08:07:PM
Interesting! Would Murat have had to have driven the hire car for a hair of his to have been found in there? The McCanns carried things from the apartment in that car. Murat may have been in apartment 5a and the hair was secondary transfer? Still think he was involved. He lies about his whereabouts that evening and changed his clothes 3 times.



Tyler,,he's pretty iffy to say the least. Yes,,he was seen by 6 witnesses that night,,but denied being there. The same as he'd denied having spoken to Malinka that night,after telling police that it had been at least 12 months since they last spoke.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2013, 08:23:PM
are you sure about this lookout its the first time ive ever heard about this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 28, 2013, 08:40:PM
are you sure about this lookout its the first time ive ever heard about this.




Yes,nugs. Murat was seen that night soon after Madeleine went missing,but he denied it was him. Said he was indoors with his mother,,and because she went to bed early,,she wouldn't have known if he was in or not,,but she'd said he was indoors with her. As I say,,she went to bed about 9.30pm that night.
It was found out that he'd contacted Malinka that night.
When police went to Malinkas' apartment,,he'd hurriedly wiped the hard-drive on his computer. As though Murat had tipped him off. That's how it looked.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 28, 2013, 09:26:PM
I remember when I was a little boy, at the age of about 11 years, when I climbed out of my bedroom window to go roaming the streets at night with my pals. Local beat bobby picked us up in the middle of the night and took us to the local police station, whilst another officer went to my home address to tell mum that the police had got me locked up at the police station - mum apparently retorted upon being told I was at the police station, "no, you haven't", she said, "my little boy is safely tucked up in bed", she told the officer, "my little boy has been in bed since 9pm", she told him, "you must have made a mistake"...

After checking my bedroom, she accompanied the officer along to the police station to collect me, at 2.30am...

Most mothers, they'd do anything, and say anything to protect the image they have of their kids...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 28, 2013, 09:32:PM
I remember when I was a little boy, at the age of about 11 years, when I climbed out of my bedroom window to go roaming the streets at night with my pals. Local beat bobby picked us up in the middle of the night and took us to the local police station, whilst another officer went to my home address to tell mum that the police had got me locked up at the police station - mum apparently retorted upon being told I was at the police station, "no, you haven't", she said, "my little boy is safely tucked up in bed", she told the officer, "my little boy has been in bed since 9pm", she told him, "you must have made a mistake"...

After checking my bedroom, she accompanied the officer along to the police station to collect me, at 2.30am...

Most mothers, they'd do anything, and say anything to protect the image they have of their kids...






That's right,Mike. But at turned 40.???? ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 28, 2013, 09:47:PM





That's right,Mike. But at turned 40.???? ;D

Yeah, she would stand up for me right until the day she passed away, god rest her soul, it would have been her 86th birthday, today - "Happy Birthday, Mum"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 28, 2013, 10:05:PM
Yeah, she would stand up for me right until the day she passed away, god rest her soul, it would have been her 86th birthday, today - "Happy Birthday, Mum"...

That´s a real mum! Congrats with her! My mother has her flaws for sure (and so do I), but she will ALWAYS stand up for me no matter what!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 28, 2013, 10:10:PM
That´s a real mum! Congrats with her! My mother has her flaws for sure (and so do I), but she will ALWAYS stand up for me no matter what!

Thanks, for saying so, Alias...

-Mums the word-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 28, 2013, 10:29:PM
Links to Maddie files:-

(1) - http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main%20Page

(2) - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

(3) - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CASE_FILES_INDEX.htm

(4) - http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39333763/Yvonne%20Martin

(5) - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 29, 2013, 05:39:AM
The unanswered questions:-

(1) - http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/08/the-48-questions-that-remained-unanswered/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 29, 2013, 05:51:AM
Mobile phone call records, from material time:-

(1) - http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12/more-on-the-deleted-call-records-where-was-kate-mccann/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 29, 2013, 08:52:PM
what was murrets relationship with malinka.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 29, 2013, 09:07:PM
what was murrets relationship with malinka.





Strictly professional,,whatever that meant,Mike. Both into porn. Malinka was a skipper of a pleasure boat.Symington is Murats' cousin who has a boat and exports wine. All 3 look alike in sunglasses.
Their " friendship " was never questioned so far as I was aware.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 29, 2013, 09:20:PM




Strictly professional,,whatever that meant,Mike. Both into porn. Malinka was a skipper of a pleasure boat.Symington is Murats' cousin who has a boat and exports wine. All 3 look alike in sunglasses.
Their " friendship " was never questioned so far as I was aware.




Malinka,Murat and Matt Fazackerley were possibly business partners.Again,all 3 look the same,weird.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 29, 2013, 10:00:PM



Malinka,Murat and Matt Fazackerley were possibly business partners.Again,all 3 look the same,weird.
Malinka and Fazackerley ran computer shops together. Malinka is linked to Murat,Murat has been linked to GM and Fazackerley is linked to Leicestershire where the McCanns live. All very suspect!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 29, 2013, 10:10:PM
Malinka and Fazackerley ran computer shops together. Malinka is linked to Murat,Murat has been linked to GM and Fazackerley is linked to Leicestershire where the McCanns live. All very suspect!




I'll say,tyler.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 29, 2013, 10:56:PM
how is murret linked to gm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 29, 2013, 11:33:PM
New time-line of events:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 30, 2013, 03:44:PM
How unfortunate is this.? One of the " main " suspects involved in the disappearance of Madeleine,,,died after an accident in 2009. He was a worker at the complex,but there was some sort of a disagreement which took place and the guy left. It was thought that after he left his employment,he took revenge by taking Madeleine,,and if this is/was the case,and if a sex attack took place,,then he'll have killed the child.
I'm trying to think back now to 2007 and an argument taking place,,as I remember at the time,,quite a few staff had either left,,or were leaving,,or being transferred elsewhere. PJ's hadn't interviewed the said member of staff,,because he wasn't around at the time.
This isn't very good news at all,,as police will be now concentrating on looking for a childs' body.
One thing,,if gypsies had taken the girl,,,she'd still be alive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 30, 2013, 04:47:PM
I am still interested in why Kate McCANN told a social worker that Mad's had been taken by a couple, as if she knew more about what had actually taken place...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 30, 2013, 04:55:PM
I am still interested in why Kate McCANN told a social worker that Mad's had been taken by a couple, as if she knew more about what had actually taken place...





Mike,,being in a state of shock,,maybe Kate had a " couple " in mind,,possibly thinking that abductors,etc work in twos. I don't think she had anyone specific in her mind at that stage. It would have been twisted if she'd said " he took her,or she took her ". The mind works overtime looking to blame someone.It's human nature.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 30, 2013, 04:56:PM
I am still interested in why Kate McCANN told a social worker that Mad's had been taken by a couple, as if she knew more about what had actually taken place...
Kate told the social worker about the couple who took Mad's, during a conversation on the morning after Mad's went missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 30, 2013, 05:04:PM
Day (a) - the day before Mad's went missing, a number of strange things occoured...

Day (b) - the day Mad's went missing.,

Day (c) - Kate tells social worker that a couple Mad's...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 30, 2013, 08:28:PM
was this an english socail worker or a Portuguese one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 30, 2013, 09:25:PM
was this an english socail worker or a Portuguese one.




English,,nugs.They paid a visit when they came back to Leicester,,,as routine procedure in the interest of the twins welfare.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 30, 2013, 09:30:PM
i still dont think she said we have the socail workers word for this and there notorious for writing things down wrong.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 30, 2013, 09:47:PM
i still dont think she said we have the socail workers word for this and there notrois for righting things down wrong.




You can say that again,nugs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 31, 2013, 06:09:AM
Processos Vol XIII Page 3421

Date : 2007-11-14

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Paolo Rebelo

From: Paolo Ferreira, Inspector


Service Information

Subject: Expedient related to Yvonne Warren Martin


In the sequence of the contents of the service information in annex, which was prepared by Inspector José Monteira on 12-06-2007, the questioning of Yvonne Warren Martin was twice begun, according to the files that are also joined to this.

The statement relates in detail her intervention with the McCann couple after having heard about Madeleine's disappearance.

She adds that on one occasion, because it had occurred to her that the parents and the friends could eventually be involved in the child's disappearance, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police.

The statements given to the PJ today by Yvonne Martin provide a concrete clarification of the reasons for her suspicions, which in my opinion, do not point to any concrete element that could, in any way, make other inquiries directly related to her statements, viable.

With nothing further to add.

Signed

Inspector Ferreira
Processos Volume X111 Pages 3422 - 3424

SERVICE INFORMATION



Date: 2007-06-12


To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, Dr. Gonçalo Amaral

From: José Monteiro, Inspector

Re: Collection of Information

In the sequence of information transmitted to this Police force, on this date we went to the residence of Yvonne Warren Martin. The team was composed of the undersigned and his colleague Carlos Antunes, in conversation with Yvonne the following was established:

- On May 04, 2007, at around 07H00 she heard about the disappearance of an English girl from Praia da Luz, Lagos, from Sky News or BBC.
- Having worked for 25 years in the area of child protection, she felt obliged to offer help to her compatriots and went to Praia da Luz.

- At around 09H00, she met the McCann couple next to the apartment from where the child had disappeared, accompanied by a third person, a male, who seemed quite familiar to her.

- This third person of the group appeared to be an intimate (friend) of the family as he was the one who, when the media arrived, began to explain what was happening and answering questions, thereby saving the couple from this upset. Afterwards, she further confirmed his closeness to the family when she saw him taking care of the couple's twins, also small children.

- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation.

- During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.

- However, the third individual overheard this conversation and interrupted Ms. Martin and took the McCann couple away from her.
 This same individual came shortly afterwards to tell her that the couple did not want to talk to her any further and did not require her help - an action that appeared quite strange to her.

- Meanwhile, she heard comments next to the complex reception that the British Consul was coming to the site and she decided to wait for this person in order to offer her help.

- During this time, she saw the third individual two more times. Firstly, when he was accompanying an older woman and the McCann twins, demonstrating in this way, the trust that the couple had in him by letting him take care of their two children. On the second occasion, he accompanied what appeared to her to be plain clothed police officers.

--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:
Aged about 35 years
Of about 1,80 metres in height
Of normal physical appearance
Having short, dark hair
Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses
Having a round face
Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek
-
Speaking with a Southern English accent
Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

Bringing this to your attention,

Signed

José Monteiro
 
Processos Volume XIII Pages 3425 - 3428

Witness Statement

Date: 2007.06.13

Time: 12H00

Name: YVONE WARREN MARTIN


Profession: Social Services and Child Protection

The witness is accompanied by a PJ interpreter, Carlos Moura, as she does not speak Portuguese.


She says that she has lived in Portugal for seven years on a part-time basis, in other words, for some months of the year she lives in her home in Sargaçal and
for the rest of the year lives in England, where she still works.

During the past month of May or more precisely on the 04th of May 2007, the witness was in Portugal, enjoying holidays, when at about 07H00 she turned on the television and watched an English news channel (BBC or SKY NEWS) where she saw an appeal to British citizens on holiday in the Algarve to offer all possible support to a British couple who were on holiday in Praia da Luz and whose daughter, a child, had disappeared on May 03, 2007.

As she works directly with situations of children at risk, and as she was very close to Praia da Luz, she went there with the intention of offering her help and support to the couple, she arrived there at about 09H30.

She clarifies that she did not leave immediately for Praia da Luz as she still had some things to do at home but left at around 09H00.

At first, she could not locate the exact site where the family was staying on holiday. Upon seeing a police patrol car which passed close by her, she asked the police if they could show her the right location. She was accompanied by the patrol car to the apartment from where the child had disappeared and where the parents were staying.

At the scene, she found a group of three people, two males and one female.

She went over to the group and identified herself.
Two members of that group, a male and a female, identified themselves as the parents of the missing child - the McCann couple.

The couple was visibly upset, and the mother was crying intensely.

The third person never identified himself, upon the witness's insistence the couple replied that he was a close friend of the family.

She adds that this third person appeared familiar to her.

Taking advantage of the information that she had heard on the news, she began questioning the couple about how often they had checked on the children, obtaining the reply that people would go to see them every hour.

As is normal and routine in her service, she asked whether Gerry was the biological father of the missing child, to which he replied yes.

She clarifies that she asked this question because during the course of her 25 years of service working with children at risk, it is very normal that when a couple has child and where the father or the mother is not a biological parent, the biological parent may have a tendency to come and "get" his child.
After having obtained the verbal response from Gerry, the mother, Kate, questioned what she was doing asking these questions which should be asked by the police, who were already on the scene in large numbers searching for her daughter, who had been taken by a couple.

At this moment, the witness notices that the couple began to have doubts about her capacity and she immediately showed them her official documents and credentials issued by the British government to calm them down.

Gerry took her documents and showed them to the third person and told him that they were authentic and were certified by the police.

At this moment, the witness wishes to clarify that, in England, anyone who works with children, whether a doctor, police officer or social worker, has to have a proper credential certified by the police and that this was one of the documents she showed to the McCanns.

Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.


The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.
At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10 in the morning.

Meanwhile a fourth individual came towards the group and identified himself as a journalist. The witness alerted the couple to the type of statements they should give and that it would be better for them to keep silent.

At this moment, the third person, who was always near to the couple and the witness, moved the couple away from her and the three of them talked in whispers for some time.

After this, and leaving the couple behind him, he approached the witness and told her that the couple did not want to speak any more with her, nor with anyone else.

The witness replied to him that if the McCann couple felt the need to talk to her later, she would be at their total disposal.

As she said earlier, this third person of the group is familiar to her, and thinks
that she may have come across him in the course of her work, as a suspect or witness.

She describes him as tall man, height about 1,80 m, about 35 years old, of normal physical complexion, with short, dark hair, with a round face and with a scar on the left side of his face running from the eyebrow to the check. He uses graduated glasses of small dimension with rectangular lenses. He spoke with a southern English accent and was wearing cream coloured trousers and a dark polo shirt
.
When asked whether that it would be possible to identify him from a photograph, the witness replied yes.

She adds that, after having spoken to the McCann couple, she spoke to the resort manager, and after identifying herself, asked him whether there had been a break-in in the apartment where the child was, to which he replied no but that the door was open as were the window blinds, which, according to Kate, should have been closed but were found open.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.
 
Processos Vol XIII Page 3429

Photographic Recognition File


On 13th June, 2007 at the Portimao DIC, Yvone Warren Martin appeared before me, José Monteiro, Inspector, in order to proceed with photographic recognition.

When asked, she described the suspect and she was shown photographs of various individuals who made up the McCann couple holiday group.

Upon visualising the photographs, she recognised David Anthony Payne, an individual who appeared in several photographs, as being the person she referred to in her statements and who she supposedly had known on another occasion.

The present document was drawn up and after being translated by the interpreter, will be signed.

Three signatures
 
Processos Vol XIII Pages 3430 - 3433 or pages 141-143

YVONNE WARREN MARTIN

Places Worked:
1. Gateshead, Tyne & Wear
2. Southshields, Tyne & Wear
3. Newcastle, Tyne & Wear
4. York, North Yorkshire
5. Hull, Kingston Upon Hull
6. North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear
7. Plymouth, Devon


Witness Statement

Date: 2007/11/14
Time: 10H30
Place: DIC Portimao

Name: YVONNE WARREN MARTIN


Profession: Social Services and Child Protection

She comes to the process as a witness and as she does not speak Portuguese she is accompanied by interpreter Filipa Maria da Conceição Silva who will translate all questions and answers into English.

The witness has given a previous statement to this police force regarding the facts in question. This took place on 13-06-2007 and led to the inquiry of the statement that was taken. The witness confirms the complete integrity of that statement, everything was fully reproduced for this file. The witness was also shown attached page showing the places of work where she carried out her professional activities as Social Services Manager for Child Protection, having also confirmed that these were the cities where she carried out her professional activities.

She states that in the course of her contact with Madeleine's parents, described in detail in her previous statements, Kate told her that the child had been taken by a couple. During the meeting they had, the details of which are contained in her previous statement, she did not have the opportunity to ask in depth about this question nor about any other.

With regards to the individual who was close to Madeleine's parents when she met them, and who was later identified as David Payne, she reaffirms that the same individual seems familiar, possibly as this same individual intervened in a situation related to a professional activity of the witness. She clarifies that neither on that occasion, nor now that time has passed, can she remember concretely the place or the situation in which she may have come to know David Payne, but that she continues to think that the same individual is familiar to her but cannot state the particular situation.

She adds that her hypothesis is that she may have come to know him professionally through work, potentially having been colleagues at work or have worked at the same place but she cannot be certain where she met him as she does not remember

She says that about two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, when the police made an appeal for information about a man, carrying a child, who had been seen in the Luz zone, and whose clothing was described, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police, telling them the following: : regarding the various details she observed during her contact with the McCanns it is her opinion that they could be in some way involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.

She first found them aggressive and their reaction after she showed Madeleine's parents her credentials, also seemed strange to her. Afterwards she was informed that there were no signs of a break-in in the apartment. Knowing that they are doctors she found it absolutely abnormal that they left their children alone at home. Associating all of this with her professional experience, which tells her that in 99.99 % of missing children cases, the parents or other family members are involved, she felt it was her duty to inform the police of this.


She did this anonymously because she did not want to be bothered by the media. But she also states that according to what she remembers, when she met with Madeleine's parents, David Payne, who was with them, was wearing a dark polo shirt, blue or black coloured, cream coloured long trousers, of linen or cotton, and dark shoes (sandal/slipper type without a back buckle/catch). In her opinion, this clothing matches perfectly with the clothing the Police described the man (carrying the child) to be wearing at the time. All these coincidences made the witness think that the parents and their friends could possibly be involved in the disappearance of the child.

She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

(1) - http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Naughty Nun on October 31, 2013, 01:06:PM
The most recent theory put forward re Maddie ie that she was taken by a disgruntled ex-employee of the Ocean Club complex who wanted to demonstrate lax security, and it all got out of hand and went horribly wrong, sounds highly plausible imo. 

The idea that she was abducted by an organised gang or gypsies is imo as likely as being abducted by aliens.

I believe Maddie is dead. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 31, 2013, 03:54:PM
How unfortunate is this.? One of the " main " suspects involved in the disappearance of Madeleine,,,died after an accident in 2009. He was a worker at the complex,but there was some sort of a disagreement which took place and the guy left. It was thought that after he left his employment,he took revenge by taking Madeleine,,and if this is/was the case,and if a sex attack took place,,then he'll have killed the child.
I'm trying to think back now to 2007 and an argument taking place,,as I remember at the time,,quite a few staff had either left,,or were leaving,,or being transferred elsewhere. PJ's hadn't interviewed the said member of staff,,because he wasn't around at the time.
This isn't very good news at all,,as police will be now concentrating on looking for a childs' body.
One thing,,if gypsies had taken the girl,,,she'd still be alive.

Lookout do we have a name?   :-\ :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 31, 2013, 04:41:PM
Lookout do we have a name?   :-\ :) :) :) :)




No name Patti,,but of African origin,,but don't know whether he's black or white.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 31, 2013, 05:50:PM
McCanns have said that it is 'speculation' that dead ex OC club employee is a 'suspect'. What happened to the arrests that SY said were 'imminent' weeks ago? Why were the McCanns so desperate to suppress Smith's efits for 5 years and ignore his evidence whilst pushing Tanners sighting instead? Is it because the Tanner sighting gave GM an alibi? GM was missing from 5a when DW arrived there at 10.05pm.
Where was he? Although I don't believe he was the Smith sighting. I don't believe Smith sighting was an abductor either. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: grahameb on October 31, 2013, 07:15:PM
Personally I think they are clutching at straws?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 31, 2013, 10:22:PM
Portuguese police are reportedly now looking for a burial site at PDL - where the body of Mad's was concealed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 31, 2013, 10:45:PM
Portuguese police are reportedly now looking for a burial site at PDL - where the body of Mad's was concealed...

I wonder where they will start looking?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 31, 2013, 10:50:PM
Which members of tapas group have been linked to latest suspect?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2013, 11:49:AM
Do the clothes which had been concealed at the derelict building, found by me, belong to the death suspect?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on November 01, 2013, 01:53:PM
The scapegoat...sorry,'suspect' has been named as Euclides Monteiro. He was sacked from the OC a YEAR before MM went missing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 01, 2013, 04:03:PM
I wonder what he was sacked for.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 01, 2013, 04:23:PM
I wonder what he was sacked for.




Just found out that he was sacked for stealing. He should have been deported back to Cape Verde,,but was pardoned by the Portuguese governer at the time.
The McCanns have said that it was pure speculation that police had blamed the man,,who can't now speak for himself.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 01, 2013, 04:35:PM
Apparently,,it's the Portuguese police who are taking this man seriously,as the McCanns aren't prepared to give yet another running commentary about someone who they don't think is attached to the case. The guy's mobile phone was searched and saw that he was near apartment 5a when Madeleine went missing. He lived 15 miles away in Lagos,with his wife.
Tracking tests had been made on mobile phones,and it was then that the PJ's became suspicious.

I'm fully aware that in cases like this,,the first thing you do is to look at family and friends. Like the Benet case where the 6 year old beauty toddler was murdered.I still believe it was her parents.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on November 01, 2013, 04:39:PM
If being dismissed from one's job was a motive for child abduction, there would be an awful lot of employers missing their kids!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 01, 2013, 04:54:PM
The deceased guys' background was one of violence and suspicious behaviour with children.
Portuguese police believe the man killed Madeleine as soon as he saw the publicity surrounding the childs' disappearance. We'll wait and see if the PJ's are right this time. It was the PJ's who wanted to re-open the case on account of what they called " new evidence ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 01, 2013, 05:28:PM
Why are the PJ's so keen to suspect this man who died in 2009.? Because nobody else does.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: HMEssex on November 01, 2013, 05:39:PM
Why are the PJ's so keen to suspect this man who died in 2009.? Because nobody else does.



Good question.  I'm guessing he looks nothing like the recent e-fit supplied by SY  ::)

Two investigations at the same time - and not working together it seems.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 01, 2013, 05:50:PM


Good question.  I'm guessing he looks nothing like the recent e-fit supplied by SY  ::)

Two investigations at the same time - and not working together it seems.





I was suspicious right away,HME,,especially seeing as the guy died 4 years ago.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2013, 07:40:AM
Latest links:-

(1) - http://news.iafrica.com/worldnews/885935.html?

(2) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-junkie-who-2666784?

(3) - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-02/portugese-police-focus-on-dead-hotel-worker-in-mccann-probe/5065562?

(4) - http://www.examiner.com/article/madeleine-mccann-main-suspect-had-violent-past-now-dead?

(5) - http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=250004

(6) - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348563/Police-profile-revealed-Maddie-suspect-s-suspicious-behaviour-with-kids-report

(7) - http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/madeleine-mccann/53972/madeleine-mccann-suspects-suspicious-behaviour-children?

(8) - http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/new-madeleine-mccann-suspect-was-violent-8917551.html

(9) - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483395/Madeleine-McCann-dead-suspect-revealed-violent-past-police-say.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2013, 08:16:AM
Euclides Mantiero...

(1) - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2013, 08:25:AM
Medium, claims Maddie is already in the spirit world:-

(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-is-dead-derek-acorah-833385
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 08:38:AM
To blame this man,,because he is dead,,is how our police see Jeremy as the perpetrator because he blamed Sheila who is also dead. If you see what I'm getting at. Their motto being," what can't speak,can't lie ". Easy way out.
How easy it is in this case,to blame someone who clearly can't,,and never will defend themselves.( pj's)?

P.S.Michael Gradwell ( Superintendant ) was on News Northwest last night,working on the cases of two murdered girls. ( cold cases ) Lancashire police. Paige Chivers and Charlene Downes.

N.B...Essex police also failed Maria Stubbings,in 2010 when she was murdered. Police had been fobbed off by Marc Chivers ( murderer ) spin.

Wandering off the subject-------police were aware of 60 girls being groomed by Asians,,but turned a blind eye. Connection with the two murdered girls above.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2013, 08:48:AM
To blame this man,,because he is dead,,is how our police see Jeremy as the perpetrator because he blamed Sheila who is also dead. If you see what I'm getting at. Their motto being," what can't speak,can't lie ". Easy way out.
How easy it is in this case,to blame someone who clearly can't,,and never will defend themselves.( pj's)?

P.S.Michael Gradwell ( Superintendant ) was on News Northwest last night,working on the cases of two murdered girls. ( cold cases ) Lancashire police. Paige Chivers and Charlene Downes.

N.B...Essex police also failed Maria Stubbings,in 2010 when she was murdered. Police had been fobbed off by Marc Chivers ( murderer ) spin.

Wandering off the subject-------police were aware of 60 girls being groomed by Asians,,but turned a blind eye. Connection with the two murdered girls above.

Easy option to blame deceased, as a suspect - lets see the hard evidence which led police to identify him as the key suspect...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 08:57:AM
Easy option to blame deceased, as a suspect - lets see the hard evidence which led police to identify him as the key suspect...




That's right Mike,,and from where I'm sitting,,there's no hard evidence whatsoever.
Had Jeremy been diagnosed as a psychopath,,then we wouldn't be here.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on November 02, 2013, 09:23:AM
'Scapegoat' worked at the Millennium and was caught taking 5 euros from the till and sacked. Charges were not pressed as the amount was so small. Allegedly he took his dismissal in good faith. This was a year before Maddie disappeared. Police say they have traced his mobile phone as being in the area of 5a that night.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 09:55:AM
'Scapegoat' worked at the Millennium and was caught taking 5 euros from the till and sacked. Charges were not pressed as the amount was so small. Allegedly he took his dismissal in good faith. This was a year before Maddie disappeared. Police say they have traced his mobile phone as being in the area of 5a that night.



I'm sure his wasn't the only mobile used in the area that night. That was a weak " excuse ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on November 02, 2013, 10:14:AM
I agree. He lived and worked 15 minutes drive away. I don't know where the masts are located. It is said that he was a heroin addict and burgled apartments for cash to feed his habit. Why then,would he take Maddie but leave behind valuables? It doesn't make sense! And the disgruntled ex employee theory is tosh imo. This is only my opinion,but I predict that the investigations in both countries will lead nowhere OR it will go full circle and end with the shock arrest of the McCanns. I personally don't see any other outcome.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 02, 2013, 10:22:AM
I think the fact he was there and used his mobile near apartment 5a at the time when Madeleine went missing is very suspect.  It places him near a crime scene, so this makes him in my opinion a suspect only and not the main suspect. Its still early days and more has to be done in order to accuse this man. I am appalled at the recent disclosure in the press regarding all of this.  I would have thought that the reopening of the investigation would be done with some tact and with no leaks to the press. I find it disgraceful and hurtful to Madeleine's family having read this rubbish..... :-\

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 10:49:AM
I think the fact he was there and used his mobile near apartment 5a at the time when Madeleine went missing is very suspect.  It places him near a crime scene, so this makes him in my opinion a suspect only and not the main suspect. Its still early days and more has to be done in order to accuse this man. I am appalled at the recent disclosure in the press regarding all of this.  I would have thought that the reopening of the investigation would be done with some tact and with no leaks to the press. I find it disgraceful and hurtful to Madeleine's family having read this rubbish..... :-\





Patti,,the McCanns' aren't particularly interested in this latest piece of speculation.They've heard it all before. It's one putting blame onto another all the time,,without any real concrete proof,,and is typical of the police to suspect a dead person,,the same as it is to say that Jeremy did the same,,according to the police. It takes one to know one.!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 02, 2013, 10:53:AM




Patti,,the McCanns' aren't particularly interested in this latest piece of speculation.They've heard it all before. It's one putting blame onto another all the time,,without any real concrete proof,,and is typical of the police to suspect a dead person,,the same as it is to say that Jeremy did the same,,according to the police. It takes one to know one.!

Hi Lookout :) 

I've not been watching the news or read up on this much. Has all this been official by the police or is the papers speculating?  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 11:03:AM
Hi Lookout :) 

I've not been watching the news or read up on this much. Has all this been official by the police or is the papers speculating?  :-\



You know what the media's like Patti. Sensationalism sells. The guy was a burglar who had to feed his habit of heroin,to which as is said " he was a slave to the drug ". He was known to be violent as well,,but that was possibly when he hadn't had his fix.
However,,after having been sacked a year previously from the Ocean Club,,why would he suddenly take it upon himself to go into apartment 5a and take Madeleine,,,who,I'm sure would have been raising the roof kicking and screaming as any child would.
Nothing had been taken from the apartment,,so there was no robbery. If he had been there with a view to rob,,he'd have ran like the clappers as soon as a child woke up,I'm sure.
Neither would the man have ventured into the apartment just to kill Madeleine either,,as what would have been the point of that.?
The reason that the guys phone signal would have been detected there would possibly have been the time when the woman upstairs was robbed when she saw a guy in her home.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 11:20:AM
Sadly,,if it turned out to be the guy in question,,and it was him carrying a child,,then that child would no longer have been alive at the time. A 6ft 2 chap would have no trouble in keeping a small child quiet.
Again,,it's possible,that if by any chance it was this guy,,then he would clearly have been under the influence of heroin as he strolled along carrying a dead child. He was in no hurry.
Up to now,,we haven't been shown his pic,,against those of the e-fits that were shown. Maybe that's where the police got their lead from,I don't know.
So far,,it is speculation,and the McCanns' don't appear to be perturbed by this latest news.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 02, 2013, 11:22:AM


You know what the media's like Patti. Sensationalism sells. The guy was a burglar who had to feed his habit of heroin,to which as is said " he was a slave to the drug ". He was known to be violent as well,,but that was possibly when he hadn't had his fix.
However,,after having been sacked a year previously from the Ocean Club,,why would he suddenly take it upon himself to go into apartment 5a and take Madeleine,,,who,I'm sure would have been raising the roof kicking and screaming as any child would.
Nothing had been taken from the apartment,,so there was no robbery. If he had been there with a view to rob,,he'd have ran like the clappers as soon as a child woke up,I'm sure.
Neither would the man have ventured into the apartment just to kill Madeleine either,,as what would have been the point of that.?
The reason that the guys phone signal would have been detected there would possibly have been the time when the woman upstairs was robbed when she saw a guy in her home.

There were no attempted burglaries reported that night.  Mrs Fenn had reported an attempted break in. 
Those that were burgled were in the same block and near to 5a but on saying that those apartments are more accessible being so open to the public. 

If he was desperate to feed his habit he may have taken her to sell rather than kill her.....it doesn't make sense that he took a child and nothing else was missing, unless that was his intent, but now I am specualting....Of course its just a theory at the moment...

If he took M then the Smith's sighting goes out of the window.  He would not risk carrying an abducted child through a resort...Where was his car? How did he get to PLD from Lagos...and how did he return home?  Many more questions need to be asked.  How does one get run over by a tractor?  :-\ :-\ :-\

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 12:01:PM
There were no attempted burglaries reported that night.  Mrs Fenn had reported an attempted break in. 
Those that were burgled were in the same block and near to 5a but on saying that those apartments are more accessible being so open to the public. 

If he was desperate to feed his habit he may have taken her to sell rather than kill her.....it doesn't make sense that he took a child and nothing else was missing, unless that was his intent, but now I am specualting....Of course its just a theory at the moment...

If he took M then the Smith's sighting goes out of the window.  He would not risk carrying an abducted child through a resort...Where was his car? How did he get to PLD from Lagos...and how did he return home?  Many more questions need to be asked.  How does one get run over by a tractor?  :-\ :-\ :-\




I was thinking on the lines of stealing the child to sell,,to feed his habit. I also think about what Hewlett said about gypsies stealing her. What bugs me is why,after 12 months would he go to PDL in order to kill just out of " spite/revenge "  of having been sacked. There were plenty of other children about that he could have taken revenge out of,,so why Madeleine.?
Her abduction,I would have said,,was an organised one. There was a guy hanging around that night,,but that hasn't come to light yet.

How he was killed by a tractor remains to be another unanswered question up to now. Like the mystery over the 10 year old Hewlett child who " accidentally " fell from a moving vehicle.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2013, 12:05:PM
It's because of the lack of information that you begin speculating and theorising,,and I suppose because of this,the McCanns don't take too much notice any more. It was different at the beginning,in 2007,because any lead was a valuable start in the search for Madeleine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on November 02, 2013, 12:22:PM
This guy could not have been the Smith sighting. He was described as a white male wasn't he?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 02, 2013, 12:32:PM
This guy could not have been the Smith sighting. He was described as a white male wasn't he?

Hi Tyler is there a photo of hm anywhere? I don't know if he is black or white... :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2013, 07:48:PM
Hi Tyler is there a photo of hm anywhere? I don't know if he is black or white... :-\

Which one?

First image?

Second image?

Another?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 03, 2013, 08:34:AM
Suspects wife:-

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 03, 2013, 09:19:PM
Police tracked suspects phone around McCann apartment at around time Mad's went missing, on a route close to Baptiste supermarket, and area where Smith family saw a man carrying a child in his arms. Mobile phone was tracked into the immediate area of the coastline, and the vicinity of the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 03, 2013, 09:21:PM
Police tracked suspects phone around McCann apartment at around time Mad's went missing, on a route close to Baptiste supermarket, and area where Smith family saw a man carrying a child in his arms. Mobile phone was tracked into the immediate area of the coastline, and the vicinity of the derelict building...

Phone was tracked to area in Lagos on following day...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 04, 2013, 07:18:AM
police who have trawled through mobile phone records, and used signal triangulation methods from phone masts in the area, know exactly where suspect was at a given time, and who he was in contact with throughout that / this period...

Anybody who thought by deleting their own mobile phone records to try and hide any physical link between themselves and the suspect made a fatal mistake...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 05, 2013, 09:25:PM
Image of suspect:-

He did not snatch Maddie...

(1) - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/349147/Our-boy-did-not-snatch-Madeleine-McCann-Family-of-junkie-suspect-speak-out
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 05, 2013, 09:30:PM
He was not the man seen carrying a child by the Smith family...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2013, 06:40:PM
He was not the man seen carrying a child by the Smith family...

(1) - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/349025/Maddie-suspect-was-not-at-the-resort-that-night
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on December 10, 2013, 06:09:PM
i found out i thought was intresting today.

acording to the mcanns mark willam tomas has never worked for them.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2013, 07:34:AM
Spy plane may have taken images in PDL at time of Maddie disappearance:-

(1) - http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/12/16/08/03/spy-plane-may-have-filmed-maddie-s-kidnapper
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2013, 07:52:AM
Net is closing in on suspects - might lead to discovery of grave at resort...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 17, 2013, 01:34:PM
Once Scotland Yard admit to themselves that the Smith sighting WAS indeed GM,they will finally solve the case!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on December 17, 2013, 03:57:PM
ill be intrested to see how that lawsuit goes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 02, 2014, 09:36:PM
Go to link:-

(1) - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-new-mobile-phone-2974441
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 02, 2014, 09:39:PM
Go to link:-

(1) - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/448764/EXCLUSIVE-Nato-spy-plane-may-have-photographed-Madeleine-McCann-abduction

Spy plane may have taken photographs of apartment block during day and late evening around the time Maddie went missing:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2014, 12:06:PM
Once Scotland Yard admit to themselves that the Smith sighting WAS indeed GM,they will finally solve the case!
Do you really think that they wouldn't have rigorously explored that possibility? Please explain, having considered the dozens of witness statements given by fellow diners and Tapas bar staff, how the Smiths could have seen Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on January 03, 2014, 02:42:PM
The Smith sighting was approx around 10pm. When DP's mother-in-law went to the McCanns apartment at 10.05pm only Kate was there. GM was not.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on January 04, 2014, 09:55:AM
Three prime suspects have been identified by their mobile phones,who made a high volume of calls to each other after the night that Madeleine went missing. The suspects were part of a " burglary gang " operating in the area.
Now let me think who made calls to each other after a " gap ? " of a year !!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: truthandjustice on January 05, 2014, 10:06:AM
i found out i thought was intresting today.

acording to the mcanns mark willam tomas has never worked for them.

MWT is an accident waiting to happen, There is nothing the British media like more than building someone up then knocking them down. Some people are already asking questions about his back ground but as we know too well the police always close ranks and protect their own.

https://t.co/yb5NAuN50t
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 06, 2014, 12:59:AM
Apparently, there has been a breakthrough by UK police in discovering who was responsible for the disappearance of Maddie McCann, as reported here at the following link, two days ago;-

(1) - http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/20617524/breakthrough-in-maddie-mccann-case/

(2) - http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/uk-police-say-gang-of-thieves-snatched-madeleine-mccann-in-a-burglary-gone-wrong/story-fneszs56-1226795199295
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 06, 2014, 01:04:AM
Apparently, there has been a breakthrough by UK police in discovering who was responsible for the disappearance of Maddie McCann, as reported here at the following link, two days ago;-

(1) - http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/20617524/breakthrough-in-maddie-mccann-case/

(2) - http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/uk-police-say-gang-of-thieves-snatched-madeleine-mccann-in-a-burglary-gone-wrong/story-fneszs56-1226795199295

According to the latest information, UK police have identified the three man gang of burglars who abducted Maddie, and fear she was killed by them, and her body disposed of at the resort...

Phone records which have been analyzed after Maddie was reported to be missing, have pinpointed an area where the three suspects were operating together, during the hours which followed the abduction, and UK police want to swoop on the three men to question them, but are being prevented from doing so because of diplomatic problems. UK police know which part of the resort the three would be abductors hid immediately after Maddie was reported to be missing, and it is also understood that extracts from most of these calls between gang members were being monitored by military intelligence, information which is now in the hands of the UK police...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 06, 2014, 01:19:AM
Other links:-

(1) - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/412482/Maddie-is-ALIVE-Bombshell-as-British-police-launch-new-hunt-for-missing-nine-year-old

(2) - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/412625/Madeleine-McCann-breakthrough-We-ve-got-new-evidence-witnesses-and-theories-say-police

(3) - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413012/Yard-face-a-network-of-evil-Maddie-police-seeking-people-smuggling-ring

(4) - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/417282/Scotland-Yard-s-new-leads-bring-fresh-hope-says-Madeleine-McCann-s-father

(5) - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/435439/Madeleine-s-mum-Kate-McCann-wants-to-defend-herself-in-court-over-smears
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 25, 2014, 08:52:AM
Update:-

"A significant development": First arrests in Madeleine McCann case move nearer


Scotland Yard are understood to want to question three local burglars blamed for a string of break-ins in Praia da Luz where Madeleine was snatched in May 2007.

Portuguese detectives acting on a first International Letter of Request sent by Britain last July discovered the men were very close to the scene of Madeleine's disappearance.


(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-first-arrests-move-3056123
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 25, 2014, 08:57:AM
It will be discovered that at least one of the so called 'tapas group' can be linked to this team of local burglars...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on January 25, 2014, 11:52:AM
It will be discovered that at least one of the so called 'tapas group' can be linked to this team of local burglars...

Hi Mike :)

I doubt than any member of the Tapas group have any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.

But, you have to ask many questions if the police think 3 men were involved as only 1 man was seen by the Smiths. Why!?

The other question is transport. If these men were in the resort when Madeleine went missing, then they must have used transport to get there, so why carry an abducted child through a resort, with the risk of being seen? 

The other question is why did the Smiths sighting mirror Jane Tanner's sighting. They described a man in similar clothing and a fair haired 3 year old.  Was this the same man? No, the man Jane saw has now been identified. So here we have two men looking the same, carrying a child through a resort in the cold of the night....I don't think so.

If the the 3 men were in the resort and telecommunications verify this, then if these men were involved they would have taken M by transport.

This is my opinion btw.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 25, 2014, 02:18:PM
Hi Mike :)

I doubt than any member of the Tapas group have any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.

But, you have to ask many questions if the police think 3 men were involved as only 1 man was seen by the Smiths. Why!?

The other question is transport. If these men were in the resort when Madeleine went missing, then they must have used transport to get there, so why carry an abducted child through a resort, with the risk of being seen? 

The other question is why did the Smiths sighting mirror Jane Tanner's sighting. They described a man in similar clothing and a fair haired 3 year old.  Was this the same man? No, the man Jane saw has now been identified. So here we have two men looking the same, carrying a child through a resort in the cold of the night....I don't think so.

If the the 3 men were in the resort and telecommunications verify this, then if these men were involved they would have taken M by transport.

This is my opinion btw.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hi Patti, luv...

I think we are going to find out that there will be phone link evidence between one or more of these burglars, and David Payne - only time will tell...

I don't think she was transported out of the resort in a car or a van or any kind of transport, she remained in the resort, and she is going to be recovered from there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 25, 2014, 02:24:PM
I think there is a definite link between David Payne, and this team of burglars, and that once the police arrest and interview these new suspects, the truth about what took place, will obviously come to light...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on January 25, 2014, 04:01:PM
Hi Patti, luv...

I think we are going to find out that there will be phone link evidence between one or more of these burglars, and David Payne - only time will tell...

I don't think she was transported out of the resort in a car or a van or any kind of transport, she remained in the resort, and she is going to be recovered from there...

Hi Mike :)

I can't see how anyone from the party knew these 3 men; the group were only there for a week.  Plus, these men did not live in the area of PDL....So how would they obtain their mobile numbers?  Mind you on saying that, I have no idea where they lived....

Mike I know this sounds callous, but I hope that one day Madeline will be found, dead or alive......Where that might be is anyone;s guess.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on January 25, 2014, 09:27:PM
why would burglers want to abduct a child .

i havent kept up to date on this case
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 26, 2014, 08:02:AM
why would burglers want to abduct a child .

i havent kept up to date on this case

They wouldn't, ordinarily...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on January 26, 2014, 01:38:PM
They wouldn't, ordinarily...

Unless she recognised someone who worked at the complex?  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on January 26, 2014, 01:44:PM
I think there is a definite link between David Payne, and this team of burglars, and that once the police arrest and interview these new suspects, the truth about what took place, will obviously come to light...
Hi Mike, what has lead you to believe this?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 26, 2014, 01:45:PM
Unless she recognised someone who worked at the complex?  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :o ;D ;D ;D ;D

For example, a person, or persons, who had been in the same apartment on the previous evening, hence the reason for Madeleine appearing to have been upset by those events on that occasion, to such an extent that she complained to her mother Kate, asking why she didn't or hadn't "come back to the apartment, when she had been crying"... 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 26, 2014, 01:52:PM
Hi Mike, what has lead you to believe this?

He was away from the tapas bar, when Maddie went missing, and his movements after she was reported to be missing leave a lot to be desired. Additionally, he appeared to be eager to know the whereabouts of Kate and the children, whilst Gerry was playing tennis, and he was at apartment 5A the children were getting bathed and ready bed...

Additionally, I think it was he who persuaded the McCanns to holiday at the resort, he having previously spent time on holiday there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Neil on January 26, 2014, 01:54:PM
He was away from the tapas bar, when Maddie went missing, and his movements after she was reported to be missing leave a lot to be desired. Additionally, he appeared to be eager to know the whereabouts of Kate and the children, whilst Gerry was playing tennis, and he was at apartment 5A the children were getting bathed and ready bed...

Additionally, I think it was he who persuaded the McCanns to holiday at the resort, he having previously spent time on holiday there...
Thanks Mike, very interesting stuff!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on January 26, 2014, 11:33:PM
Hi Mike. It was Russell OBrien that was absent from tapas table when Madeleine went missing...not David Payne.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 27, 2014, 12:32:AM
Hi Mike. It was Russell OBrien that was absent from tapas table when Madeleine went missing...not David Payne.

Hi tyler,

I know that is the official version of events, but unofficially I think we are going to find out that it was him...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 29, 2014, 09:22:PM
New Links:-

(1) - http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/29/madeleine-mccann-arrests-imminent-as-scotland-yard-detectives-arrive-in-portugal-4281397/

British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have arrived in Portugal to speak to authorities about the possible arrest of three suspects.

The Scotland Yard team are ‘set to swoop on three suspects’, according to the Mirror, with parents Maddie’s Kate and Gerry McCann ‘on tenterhooks’ over the potential breakthrough.

Detectives travelled to the Algarve after a letter was sent to police in Portugal asking for help to trace three burglars spotted in the area where Madeleine vanished almost seven years ago.

Mobile phone records reportedly revealed that the suspects repeatedly called each other in the hours after Maddie’s disappearance.

‘It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf,’ a source told the Mirror. ‘It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on January 31, 2014, 06:37:PM
just purely out of interest as I wanted to record it somewhere - when this first happened there was a psychic guy - I think from Australia - who gave lots of details about what he thought had happened . I did write it down at the time but have lost it now. But I know he mentioned her being taken away through some hidden tunnels and some of these were under a church - or she had been held somewhere like that before being "handed " over so someone else. He inferred more than one person involved and it was planned. It was the "tunnels " bit that stuck in my mind. He did lots of sketches and drawings of the main person involved .

Don't normally believe things like that tbh - but he did give a lot of details.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 07:58:AM
New Links:-

(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-cops-want-3095609#.Uuynb9LxH_M

(2) - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-missing-detectives-probe-3099910

(3) - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/detectives-hunting-missing-madeleine-mccann-6651440

(4) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-on-3087456
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:09:AM
Operation Grange officers arriving in Portugal:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:25:AM
I do not believe that burglars took Maddie - although I can accept that they might have witnessed part of what did happen to her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:27:AM
Think about it, how come nobody saw any of these three burglars on the night in question, at the material time, anywhere in the vicinity of the crime scene?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:28:AM
Phone records are one thing, but what actually took place, or was observed, is another...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:31:AM
I have never known anything like it, almost everybody in the whole wide world now knows these three burglars are the prime suspects in the disappearance of Maddie, except the three burglars, themselves...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:34:AM
I have never known anything like it, almost everybody in the whole wide world now knows these three burglars are the prime suspects in the disappearance of Maddie, except the three burglars, themselves...

Burglars, by their very nature, are only interested in taking, stealing, goods which are saleable on the black market, they don't ordinarily steal children for sale...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:40:AM
I think the story about these three burglars possibly having involvement in the kidnapping of Maddie McCann, is nothing but a red herring, although as I say, it is possible that whilst in the vicinity of the ocean club on the night in question, at the material time of Maddies disappearance, that they may have witnessed something which will lead to the truth being established regarding who may have been responsible for Maddies disappearance, and how it occurred...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 08:43:AM
One thing seems so obvious to me though, and that being that Maddies disappearance is an 'inside' job - somebody who knew her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 01, 2014, 09:02:AM
Whilst on the mobile phone issue, it should not be overlooked that phone records exist which places at least one member of the tapas group in an area at the resort, where he had supposedly not been at the time the tracking indicated - so, what was this tapas group member doing in a location he has denied being present at?

Aaghhhh, some sort of a rendezvous, or other related activity, no doubt...

Anybody got any suggestions, who this person might be...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on February 01, 2014, 04:31:PM
they have not exactly gone there quietly , incognito , with an element of surprise have they?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on February 01, 2014, 05:08:PM
i still its linked the other kid that went missing there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 02, 2014, 08:50:AM
An alternative view:-

(1) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/carole-malone-madeleine-mccann-madness-3102268#.Uu4GCtLxH_M
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 04, 2014, 07:17:AM
Police looking for mini bus driver, in search for Missing, Maddie McCann:-

Maddie cops hunt ex-hotel minibus driver in fresh lead

POLICE are hunting a former minibus driver at the Algarve holiday resort where Madeleine McCann went missing.

(1) - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/363893/Madeleine-McCann-cops-hunt-ex-hotel-minibus-driver-in-fresh-lead

The unnamed 40-year-old used to ferry tourists between the Ocean Club complex and Faro Airport at the time the youngster vanished.

Detectives reckon he could hold the key to cracking the seven-year riddle of Maddie's disappearance.

Madeleine was three when she went missing from her bed in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Officers from Portugal's Policia Judiciaria are believed to have spent days scouring the resort in a bid to track down the ex-Ocean Club worker.

The former minibus driver is now thought to be jobless after a short stint working in a local bar.

A hotel worker told Portuguese media: "Three individuals who identified themselves as PJ officers were here days ago.

"They were asking where a man who worked at the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared lived.

"At the time he used to pick up tourists who were staying at the Ocean Club from Faro Airport and at the end of their stay he would run them back to the airport."

The major breakthrough comes after Metropolitan Police officers identified three former Ocean Club workers as prime suspects in the case.

Crunch British detectives believe the trio may be behind a string of burglaries at the holiday complex in the run-up to Maddie's disappearance.

Police believe the three men would have known the layout of the Ocean Club complex and the best escape routes for anyone taking a child.

It is one of the best leads to emerge since the Met reopened the case following pleas from Maddie's family.

“Three individuals who identified themselves as PJ officers were here days ago”
A hotel worker
Scotland Yard officers now want to search their homes and probe their bank accounts.

They held a crunch meeting with senior Portuguese officials last week in the hope of gaining permission to operate on Portuguese soil.

It follows a painstaking coldcase UK review supported by Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.

A trawl of mobile phone records revealed that the three suspects were nearby and made a number of calls to each other in the hours after Maddie was reported missing.

According to reports, people living in the area have also pointed out how the former minibus driver "was always using his mobile phone".

One theory is that the burglars raided the McCanns' flat and were panicked into snatching the youngster when she woke up.

But Brit police have also turned their attention to a notorious gypsy site seven miles from Praia da Luz.

Detectives were understood to be investigating the area of Meia Praia along with another traveller site 30 miles away.

Last October it emerged another former worker had been made a prime suspect.

Waiter Euclides Monteiro, 40, was forced to quit his job after being caught stealing tips.

The immigrant from Cape Verde was killed in a tractor accident in 2009.

His family were furious and claimed that the Portuguese authorities were trying to use him as a scapegoat for Madeleine's disappearance.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2014, 09:34:PM
Of all the places inside the grounds of the derelict building, notice how the only metal bar found in the vicinity, lays along side the disturbed ground in the hollow towards the rear of the back garden - disturbed ground, metal bar used to dislodge stones in the ground which has been excavated:-

Disturbed ground was sufficiently large enough to conceal the small body of a missing child victim - why don't police simply go a dig it up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2014, 07:40:AM
Maddie is still alive, and living in the USA, claim by pyschic:-

(1) - http://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/weird/burnley-psychic-in-hunt-for-missing-madeleine-mccann-1-4628588

A BURNLEY psychic medium who helped the FBI catch a serial killer has spoken out about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Grandfather John Warne is convinced that the schoolgirl was snatched on behalf of an American, and that she is now living in Minnesota and attending college.

Mr Warne (82), a respected Spiritualist for 57 years, began his own pyschic investigation after being annoyed about a claim by television psychic Derek Acorah.

Acorah said that a messenger from the spirit world told him: “She’s not on this earth any more”, but he has since apologised to Maddie’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, saying he was misquoted.

Mr Warne, of Morse Street, Burnley, said: “I always thought the police would find the little girl. I didn’t want to bother looking into what has happened to her it because it is a lot of strain, but when Derek Acorah said she was dead I had to do.


“It doesn’t make sense to go to people and say she is dead. It’s diabolical. If it was the case that she had died he should have known what happened, who did it and where she is now. It is a terrible thing to say that someone’s missing child is dead.”

Mr Warne’s pyschic investigation leads him to believe that Maddie was kidnapped to order in May 2007, and that the snatcher was in the Algarve holiday resort the day before.

“The bloke who took her was in his early 30s with brown hair, he was 5ft. 8in. and in a light blue outfit. He checked her out the day before it happened.

“Once he grabbed her, he put her in a car round the corner and drove to a waiting boat. By the time the alarm was raised they were gone.

“The guy was an American, but he didn’t take her for himself. He was working for someone.”

Mr Warne is convinced that Maddie is alive and well, but knows nothing of her early life.

“I know she is at college in Minnesota. It is a reddish brown building with several storeys.I have never been there, but I can see it.”

Mr Warne hopes that police and investigators looking into Maddie’s disappearance will follow up his lead. He has worked with police forces over the years, helping to solve murders, and with the FBI in Atlanta, Georgia, in the hunt for a serial killer. An arrest was made within 10 days of Mr Warne’s advice to look for a black professional photographer.

Mr Warne added: “Imagine Maddie’s parents reading that she is dead, it must be terrible for them. That set me off. I know it is not true.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2014, 07:49:AM
Psychic link:-

(1) - http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Psychics.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on March 08, 2014, 01:54:PM
that's a very specific prediction . Would be fantastic if it was true .Would the difference in her eyes still be something that would be present? Perhaps a silly question but I was never sure what caused it in the first place?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2014, 10:31:PM
Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, want to interview a team of burglars who are known to have been close the apartment block around the time of her disappearance - it is strongly suspected that if they were not the people that took Maddie, then they might have seen the person or persons who did...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2014, 11:44:PM
Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, want to interview a team of burglars who are known to have been close the apartment block around the time of her disappearance - it is strongly suspected that if they were not the people that took Maddie, then they might have seen the person or persons who did...

Burglars may have stumbled on the person who is responsible for Maddies disappearance, that evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on March 10, 2014, 09:42:PM
if they were known to have operated in the area how come this is the first time we have heard of them.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2014, 11:08:PM
Clues to burial site:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2014, 11:34:PM
Police searching for a serial paedophile who targeted young British girls in Portugal, have recently identified a distinct red coloured jumper with a large white circle on its back. In 2010, someone had painted or drawn a figure on a wall which appears to show a similar circle, which was not replicated on the corresponding silhouetted shadow painted or drawn alongside. The person who painted or drew the images (shown) could be the person British police are looking for, someone who appears to be marking the area, in the same way that a lone person appears to have marked the grave site in the garden at the back of the derelict building, by a collection of large stones, and elsewhere inside the derelict building a series of crosses made in white chalk on a door and surround, which equals the number of sex attacks carried out on young children currently being investigated by British police...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2014, 11:59:PM
Photograph of same wall, taken in 2008 / 2010:-

Notice, stork creature with hole cut out in body, with corresponding dark shadow of stork minus same circular hole...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 08:10:AM
(1) - http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/madeleine-mccann/53972/madeleine-mccann-letter-paves-way-mets-first-arrests

"Detectives said that these break-ins had similarities, including no signs of forced entry, nothing being taken and the intruder appearing between 2am and 5am. Of the 12 cases, two occurred in Praia de Luz, four in the holiday resort of Carvoeiro and six in the Vale da Parra and Praia da Gale districts west of Albufeira".

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 08:15:AM
(1) - http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/madeleine-mccann/53972/madeleine-mccann-letter-paves-way-mets-first-arrests

"Detectives said that these break-ins had similarities, including no signs of forced entry, nothing being taken and the intruder appearing between 2am and 5am. Of the 12 cases, two occurred in Praia de Luz, four in the holiday resort of Carvoeiro and six in the Vale da Parra and Praia da Gale districts west of Albufeira".

(2) - http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/03/20/maddie-cops-target-serial-molester

"Detectives suspect the sexual assaults were part of a linked series of incidents between 2004 and 2010 in which a lone male entered the apartments of British holidaymakers in three locations on the Algarve".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 08:18:AM
(2) - http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/03/20/maddie-cops-target-serial-molester

"Detectives suspect the sexual assaults were part of a linked series of incidents between 2004 and 2010 in which a lone male entered the apartments of British holidaymakers in three locations on the Algarve".

(3) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-police-hunt-3262552

"A prowling paedophile preyed on little British girls as they slept in their beds in holiday villas – all within a 37-mile radius of where little Madeleine McCann disappeared.

The five vulnerable youngsters, aged seven to 10, were victims of sexual attacks between 2004 and 2006 carried out by a lone intruder known to the authorities.

Yet amazingly, despite the series of sickening assaults, it emerged that blundering Portuguese police ruled out the prolific pervert in the hunt for Madeleine".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 08:23:AM
(3) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-police-hunt-3262552

"A prowling paedophile preyed on little British girls as they slept in their beds in holiday villas – all within a 37-mile radius of where little Madeleine McCann disappeared.

The five vulnerable youngsters, aged seven to 10, were victims of sexual attacks between 2004 and 2006 carried out by a lone intruder known to the authorities.

Yet amazingly, despite the series of sickening assaults, it emerged that blundering Portuguese police ruled out the prolific pervert in the hunt for Madeleine".

"Two of the break-ins were in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine was staying with her family at the Ocean Club resort.

Six were in Valle de Parra whilst another four were in the resort of Carvoeiro, the two resorts where police say the more serious of the sexual assaults occurred.

The suspect is described as being tanned with dark-hair, smelling of cigarettes and aftershave, who spoke English slowly with a foreign accent.

He was sometimes bare chested, some described him as having a pot belly, and three victims said that he had a noticeable odour.

The police have been told by at least two of the families that bin-men and bin-lorries were in the street during the break-ins.

In some of the attacks he was wearing a distinctive burgundy, long-sleeved top, possibly with a white circle on the back".

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 08:23:AM
"Detectives working on Operation Grange – a review into the circumstances of Madeleine’s disappearance – are in possession of the DNA of the intruder following one of his attacks".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 08:25:AM
"Detectives working on Operation Grange – a review into the circumstances of Madeleine’s disappearance – are in possession of the DNA of the intruder following one of his attacks".

"Mr Redwood’s team has previously appealed for help identifying a man who was seen carrying a child towards the sea on the night Madeleine vanished. So far they have not been able to eliminate the sighting of the man from their inquiry".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 12:54:PM
Clothing belonging to a loner that I discovered in the derelict building situated across from the church at PDL, and a single bed mattress, could hold vital DNA clues to help identify the man seen carrying a child in his arms walking in the direction of the sea.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on March 22, 2014, 04:27:PM
Mike,
I don't believe you would believe the latest reports cantered round what was said on Crimewatch (or you might  :-*), do you think the parents were involved at all?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 04:34:PM
Mike,
I don't believe you would believe the latest reports cantered round what was said on Crimewatch (or you might  :-*), do you think the parents were involved at all?
Hi Jo,

I think parents and other tapas group members had some involvement in Maddies disappearence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on March 22, 2014, 04:43:PM
Yes, me too. I do believe the Smiths sighting of Gerry McCann to be true. There is a good free online scenario here-: http://freepdfhosting.com/9099bef539.pdf
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 10:15:PM
If paedophiles were involved there has to be some sort of a link with members of the tapas group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 22, 2014, 10:18:PM
...

Person added this drawing in 2010, the period up to and including the latest of the 11 or so sex attacks currently under review by 'Operation Grange'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2014, 09:45:AM
Mobile phone records set to establish a link between members of tapas group, and three local burglars due to be arrested, sensation...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2014, 09:50:AM
Gerry McCann, and another tapas group members mobile phone record put them in contact with three suspects wanted in connection with disappearance of Maddie at resort - Gerry McCann tried to conceal this evidence being detected by deleting his phone records from his mobile, but Operation Grange officers have now managed to obtain evidence of all the deleted call information from his phone, by reference to American spy records obtained from the relevant period...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2014, 09:51:AM
Net is closing in on the truth...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2014, 09:58:AM
Mobile phone records previously put the use of two members of the tapas group about a mile away from where they said they had been, which is what Operation Grange officers have been working with, and around - it is understood that because of access to complete phone records obtained from American intelligence services that a link has been made to the three suspects mobile phone records after Maddie was reported as missing...

"Ghost of Maddie", set to return to haunt Tapas Group Members:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 04, 2014, 10:47:AM
 I do NOT think that the parents were involved at all !
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 04, 2014, 10:53:AM
I do NOT think that the parents were involved at all !
No neither do I Lookout, think it's a crazy theory ..... why would they do such a thing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2014, 10:55:AM
I do NOT think that the parents were involved at all !

Hi Lookout,

wait until you hear the mobile phone record evidence, please...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 04, 2014, 01:02:PM
Hi Lookout,

wait until you hear the mobile phone record evidence, please...




Hi Mike,,I'm more than prepared to hear/see phone record evidence,,but there won't be anything untoward, I'm almost certain of that. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on May 06, 2014, 12:33:PM
Police are to begin excavating in PDL to search for Madeleine's remains. I cannot post the link,sorry,but its all over the news. Before this,Andy Redwood had admitted that Madeleine may not have left the McCann's holiday apartment alive. I found that interesting as I wondered what kind of 'abductor' would steal a dead child?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 06, 2014, 12:58:PM
Police are to begin excavating in PDL to search for Madeleine's remains. I cannot post the link,sorry,but its all over the news. Before this,Andy Redwood had admitted that Madeleine may not have left the McCann's holiday apartment alive. I found that interesting as I wondered what kind of 'abductor' would steal a dead child?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2620513/Maddie-digs.html

Here's a link tyler xx
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 06, 2014, 01:33:PM
Police are to begin excavating in PDL to search for Madeleine's remains. I cannot post the link,sorry,but its all over the news. Before this,Andy Redwood had admitted that Madeleine may not have left the McCann's holiday apartment alive. I found that interesting as I wondered what kind of 'abductor' would steal a dead child?

i dont want to get to graphic but ive got a fair idea.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 06, 2014, 03:44:PM
"Make them come and find me, Mr Mike"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 06, 2014, 04:45:PM
Grounds of derelict building across road from church in PDL, is one of the targeted sites  due to be excavated in the coming days, using the latest ground radar equipment available. The grounds of the derelict building is on the shortlist because I photographed disturbed ground in a hollow toward the rear of the garden, and although I contacted the Portugese police they do not appear to have acted upon the information I provided them with...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 06, 2014, 05:00:PM
Other things discovered which might be of intdrest to the Met investigators:*
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 06, 2014, 05:29:PM
Other things discovered which might be of intdrest to the Met investigators:*

* clothing found inside derelict building
* single bed mattress on floor of pink room
* bottles. untensils, containers discarded in building
* chalk crosses scribbled on door
* bolders, rocks laid out around area of disturbed ground in hollow at back of garden

Fingerprints, dna should be obtainable in abundance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 06, 2014, 05:42:PM
Police are to begin excavating in PDL to search for Madeleine's remains. I cannot post the link,sorry,but its all over the news. Before this,Andy Redwood had admitted that Madeleine may not have left the McCann's holiday apartment alive. I found that interesting as I wondered what kind of 'abductor' would steal a dead child?

Is that not a significant thing to say, given the previous blood and cadaver dog searches?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 06, 2014, 06:59:PM
 The " digging " is news that I didn't particularly want to hear,,as I've told myself for long enough that the child is still alive somewhere. I suppose in my mind,I was willing her to be alive,,though,until there's proof which says otherwise,,there's no harm in remaining optimistic. 
I just feel for the McCanns right now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 06, 2014, 07:30:PM
i wouldent be suprised if they find nothing how many false alarms have there been now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 06, 2014, 07:39:PM
At last, the police will be going to search the derelict building and grounds, near to the church at PDL. It feels strange knowing that police are finally listening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 06, 2014, 10:41:PM
i wouldent be suprised if they find nothing how many false alarms have there been now.




At least it gives our officers the chance to see for themselves,nugs,,because they weren't allowed to at one time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2014, 05:51:PM
i think the person who should be faceing serious investigation in this gonco amroal i dont think all the mistakes he made in this case were really mistakes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 08, 2014, 11:31:PM
Here are some images taken by myself whilst visiting PDL:-

Tapas bar view
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 08, 2014, 11:35:PM
Me, in Portugal:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: arlosmum on June 02, 2014, 11:24:AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2645906/Police-hunting-Madeleine-McCann-seal-land-Portugal-prepare-start-digging.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 02, 2014, 01:41:PM
I know it's been said before on many occasions but one of the photofits in that article is not a million miles away in likeness from GMc
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 02, 2014, 01:43:PM
 Bless her little heart. I'm beginning now to think that she didn't see her 4th birthday,,as I was one who voted that she was still alive somewhere. It would appear that very little hope is now possible of her being alive.
My heart goes out to her family right now,as I can't imagine what they'll be feeling,,after themselves having lived in hope that she would still be found alive.

There has obviously been a strong indication in that direction because of bringing in such powerful machinery. Poor little lamb.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 02, 2014, 07:40:PM
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the Portuguese released an article yesterday in their newspaper. Sadly our newspapers have not got hold of the story.

A 40 year old woman was drugged, raped and stabbed and was in a critical condition but she managed to escape in the resort of Alberfera. She was awaken with him on top of her and he told her that he had killed Madeleine and that he was going to kill her,. then he started to violently stab her.  The assailant was picked up at a bus stop covered in blood. It is reported to be 22 years old.  He is in custody and the British counsel are looking in to it.   ??? Obviously he might be a crank but why say it. He is British.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 03, 2014, 01:05:AM
he probebly is a crank.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 03, 2014, 11:37:PM
he probebly is a crank.

Not heard any more about it Nugs. I also don'[t think the police will find anything of significance in their search, but I suppose it has to be done the eliminate the idea that there is a possibility that something could be found.   :-\ :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 04, 2014, 12:17:AM
thats the trouble when a case like this gets so much publicity i sometimes think they a mistake giveng these cases so much publicity.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2014, 09:02:AM
thats the trouble when a case like this gets so much publicity i sometimes think they a mistake giveng these cases so much publicity.

The media never misses a trick Nugs. Do they when they know it will sell their newspapers.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 04, 2014, 09:23:AM
I hope the cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar are taken to the derelict building and garden opposite the church at PDL, they are sure to find what they are looking for, its got an eerie atmosphere associated with it - "ghost of maddie image" was taken in the pink room there, and shallow grave is located at rear of garden. It would be such a grave mistake not to search there, whilst police have all those resources there less than hslf a mile from where they are carrying out work at the moment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 04, 2014, 11:53:AM
 I can't understand why those cadaver dogs,,in the first place,,picked up any scent when the area was comparitively early in its investigation. Even though they can still detect a body after a long time,,but I'm sure their jobs would have been made easier had it been more thorough,,and of course,had the PJ's cooperated !
Amaral wrote it off by saying it was a" murder",,with the parents having been involved------horrible man. His fault that all this is taking place right now.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 04, 2014, 12:08:PM
The media never misses a trick Nugs. Do they when they know it will sell their newspapers.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

maybe the police and the mcanns would of done better to keep there investigations a bit more private.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2014, 03:36:PM
maybe the police and the mcanns would of done better to keep there investigations a bit more private.

Just maybe, just maybe someone is getting worried somewhere and the police are watching. It could well be a diversion.... :-X
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on June 04, 2014, 06:17:PM
Just maybe, just maybe someone is getting worried somewhere and the police are watching. It could well be a diversion.... :-X

I think you are right. Stress tactics.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2014, 06:26:PM
I think you are right. Stress tactics.

I'm beginning to think we might be related Alias 8) 8)  In my heart I hope they don't anything, but on saying that it would give some closure. Sometimes I don't know If I am saying the right thing.  :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on June 04, 2014, 07:05:PM
I'm beginning to think we might be related Alias 8) 8)  In my heart I hope they don't anything, but on saying that it would give some closure. Sometimes I don't know If I am saying the right thing.  :'(

It would be best if poor little Madeleine was found, whether she is dead or alive. Her family and frankly, the rest of the world that has participated in this at least emotionally, need closure. All family members of missing persons say that it gives them closure when their missing relatives are finally found, also if they are dead. The horrible details of their deaths are easier to deal with than the uncertainty.
I can imagine, it must be prolonged torture!
Look at the relatives of the passengers and crew on the missing Malaysian flight - it is simply torture!

I have no idea what the McCanns went through and what made them go so public - I also cannot judge whether it was a smart move or not. Anyway, it didn´t really work, since she was never found. On the other hand, it may be exactly for that reason the case is being looked into now.

 I just hope she didn´t suffer/isn´t suffering, poor girl.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2014, 07:09:PM
It would be best if poor little Madeleine was found, whether she is dead or alive. Her family and frankly, the rest of the world that has participated in this at least emotionally, need closure. All family members of missing persons say that it gives them closure when their missing relatives are finally found, also if they are dead. The horrible details of their deaths are easier to deal with than the uncertainty.
I can imagine, it must be prolonged torture!
Look at the relatives of the passengers and crew on the missing Malaysian flight - it is simply torture!

I have no idea what the McCanns went through and what made them go so public - I also cannot judge whether it was a smart move or not. Anyway, it didn´t really work, since she was never found. On the other hand, it may be exactly for that reason the case is being looked into now.

 I just hope she didn´t suffer/isn´t suffering, poor girl.

I agree with everything you say Alias. I don't think any of us could possibly imagine what its like to go through anything like this. Pure torture to wake up every day not knowing.   :( :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on June 04, 2014, 07:21:PM
Ooops, sorry, new nick, Freesia!  ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 04, 2014, 07:23:PM
Ooops, sorry, new nick, Freesia!  ;D

Yeah much better than Bluebells...hahahaha  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 04, 2014, 07:29:PM
Sooner they get them cadaver dogs, and that equipment into the derelect building and garden, across from the church, I am sure as I can be that Maddie was taken into the pink room of the derilect building on the night she disappeared. If police seized the clothing, mattress and other exhibits I discovered, and they dig up the shallow grave at the rear of the garden, they should be able to get dna linking Maddie to that location. The presence of the iron bar next to the area of disturbed ground looked ominous to me when I first saw it laying there. Seemed to me that whoever dug that hole there met with some resistence in the shape of stones or rocks and that was where the metal bar must have come in handy...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on June 04, 2014, 07:39:PM
Yeah much better than Bluebells...hahahaha  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yea RIGHT!  8)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 05, 2014, 09:22:PM
 Police are doing DNA tests on bits of clothing found in an area where they're digging. It's an area where children play,,so we'll see what that throws up. Time is limited for the police,,as they've only got another week ? Says who ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on June 06, 2014, 09:09:AM
Police are doing DNA tests on bits of clothing found in an area where they're digging. It's an area where children play,,so we'll see what that throws up. Time is limited for the police,,as they've only got another week ? Says who ?

The police in Portugal and the local tourism boards I'd have thought. It's holiday season, they don't want to area impacted by negative publicity (again) and the police don't want their original investigation bad mouthed (again). SY are only there while the police/legal system allow them to be. I'd have also thought that SY want this over and done with as soon as with public money being used and they don't want the public and paparazzi eyeballing them all day long either.
When you investigate a potential crime on foreign soil, then largely you're there on a good will basis.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on June 06, 2014, 10:04:PM
there not going to tolerate our cops being there forever.


i dont see that the portugese really investigated anything they just grabed one suspect when they couldent prove anything fell back on there old tactic of acusing the parents.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 09:53:PM
THE DERELICT BUILDING and GARDEN PHOTOGRAPHS

I am posting these images for reference purposes, in view of nearby scrubland site searches in PDL as we speak...

Police should take cadaver dogs and ground penetrating equipment into the derelict building and gardens I am talking about:-

A child is missing
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:03:PM
Shadow of Stork creature points the way toward the derelict building just around the corner, across the road from the local church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:04:PM
Location of the derelict building:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:16:PM
Derelict building (No.5) is an old Bank:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:30:PM
THE DISCARDED CLOTHING OF POTENTIAL SUSPECT:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:33:PM
View from inside derelict building across road from the church:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:35:PM
BONES FOUND IN GARDEN:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:37:PM
THE DISTURBED EARTH or SHALLOW GRAVE AT REAR OF THE GARDEN:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2014, 10:45:PM
The ghost of Maddie, photograph:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 09, 2014, 04:54:PM
Does anyone remember rhe description of one of the suspects seen loitering near the CCanns apartment, by an eye wirness,  who described him as wearing a dark blue coloured anorak type kaghool and wearinf what appeared to be a pair of blue jeans?

Well, lo and behold, a similar dark blue kaghool and a pair of blue jesns, were found hidden beneath wooden doors on the floor of the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on June 30, 2014, 11:46:PM
LOOKOUT!!!!! Have you heard anything. I will call you tomorrow. The police are to interview a Russian who runs a computer business.....No names please at this point.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on July 02, 2014, 12:43:AM
My guess was right Lookout. All we need now is some patience and to think we have known this for many years. But, lets not assume too much.  :-\ :) :) :) ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 02, 2014, 07:10:PM
Patti,it's possible that between the pair of us,we could have sussed this out after the event,over 7 years ago. Let's see if we were right.
If so,how about applying for a top job at the Met. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Let's face it,it's what it would amount to !
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2014, 04:03:AM
Phone record evidence set to play a pivotal part in ongoing investigation...

phone calls which appear to show that three suspects were in contact with one another at the complex at key moments of the unfolding drama on the night Maddie went missing, suggests the involvement of an insider, who may have been given use of one of the mobile phones by the others involved, to alert them as to the movements of other members of the tapas bar group going to and from the restuarant and apartments on the evening Maddie disappeared...

At least one member of the tapas group is suspected of involvement with the current suspects...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2014, 09:00:AM
The grounds of the derelict building. Including the garden with the grave site and mounds of garden rubbish, have so far not yet been searched either by Portuguese, or British police, despite the fact of its remote and isolatrd lication in the heart of PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2014, 07:52:PM
Maddie poster pinned up on shop window, in Dingle...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2014, 05:44:PM
I have narrowed the 2% of evidence which helps to establish guilt or innocence in the case of Maddies disappearance, and murder, if it involved at least one, but possibly as many as three of the tapas 7 group...

The other 98% of the evidence in the case is bullshit, introduced to make the investigators look good...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 29, 2014, 12:12:AM
They still haven't searched the grounds of the derelict building across the road from the church, which backs off the rear of a pub...

When will the police listen regarding this...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on September 29, 2014, 12:38:AM
They still haven't searched the grounds of the derelict building across the road from the church, which backs off the rear of a pub...

When will the police listen regarding this...

It was thoroughly searched by Goncalo Amaral and his team in 2007.
Next.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on September 29, 2014, 10:01:AM
I think Mike has a valid point and I can't remember reading the church area being dug up but if you could point me in the right direction, I'll gladly read and view. I have a friend (yippee) who is still convinced Madeleine is in the missing fridge in the sea with the door strapped down.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 01, 2014, 06:44:AM
The police have never searched the grounds of the derelict building, situated across the road from the Church, there is no evidence that it has been searched at all. Similarly, the wasteland which Scotland yard recently dug up (nearby) was also not searched, other wise, why did Scotland yard dig it up, again and search there.

Derelict building and grounds that attaches to the back of a pub, with access to the derelict garden that I speak about needs to be searched and dug up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 02, 2014, 12:44:AM
The police have never searched the grounds of the derelict building, situated across the road from the Church, there is no evidence that it has been searched at all. Similarly, the wasteland which Scotland yard recently dug up (nearby) was also not searched, other wise, why did Scotland yard dig it up, again and search there.

Derelict building and grounds that attaches to the back of a pub, with access to the derelict garden that I speak about needs to be searched and dug up...

The area around the church was thoroughly searched by GNR officers with dogs. No reason was ever found to dig up the derelict property you refer to or the several others nearby as well which were identified as possible targets after the Smith family reported their sighting.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.0859456,-8.7305865,3a,19.6y,180.89h,86.94t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sYMlunhaE-EcS94rxRw3XwA!2e0
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 02, 2014, 11:05:AM
Shocking news about troll from the internet slating Kate and Gerry McCann. I am so pleased that finally some action has been taken.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-probe-vile-4363206

Scotland Yard are in a make or break situation at the moment on whether or not they have reached a point of no return in their search for Madeleine.

Malinka has been eliminated and is not regarded a suspect.

Good news for a little girls family who was abducted 12 years ago in Mexico. She has been found.

  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kidnapped-girl-found-mexico-12-4363215
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 02, 2014, 12:29:PM
ive seen some of those coments on twiter those people seem pretty unhinged.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 02, 2014, 12:34:PM
ive seen some of those coments on twiter those people seem pretty unhinged.

I have too Nugs it makes you fell sick inside when you read it. I hope whoever it is that has said those horrible thing are dealt with.   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 02, 2014, 12:57:PM
they seem tottaly convinced the mcanns did it and i dont see how they can be the mcanns were acused by the portugese police but then so were a lot of other people.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 02, 2014, 01:49:PM
I've also added my sixpenn'orth to the news forum about the disgusting posts. Every time I ever posted anything on that particular thread,I got that many thumbs-down,the post vanished. They're cruel and heartless individuals. I hope they all get caught.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 02, 2014, 04:10:PM
Maybe if the McCanns had cooperated with the police investigation back in 2007 instead of thwarting it then the story might have been oh so different.  Not forgetting bringing in private investigators to illegally conduct a parallel inquiry into events.

Referring to a Portuguese police liaison officer publicly as a "fucking tosser...fucking tosser" [sic] is no excuse imo.

Out of interest what do you call parents who refuse to cooperate with police searching for their missing child?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 02, 2014, 04:41:PM
Maybe if the McCanns had cooperated with the police investigation back in 2007 instead of thwarting it then the story might have been oh so different.  Not forgetting bringing in private investigators to illegally conduct a parallel inquiry into events.

Referring to a Portuguese police liaison officer publicly as a "fucking tosser...fucking tosser" [sic] is no excuse imo.

Out of interest what do you call parents who refuse to cooperate with police searching for their missing child?

What's your stance? I thought you were pro-McCann and that Maddie had been abducted?

Personally, I'm with Amaral.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485524/Portuguese-detective-says-MI5-spies-know-what-happened-to-Madeleine-McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 02, 2014, 04:47:PM
Maybe if the McCanns had cooperated with the police investigation back in 2007 instead of thwarting it then the story might have been oh so different.  Not forgetting bringing in private investigators to illegally conduct a parallel inquiry into events.

Referring to a Portuguese police liaison officer publicly as a "fucking tosser...fucking tosser" [sic] is no excuse imo.

Out of interest what do you call parents who refuse to cooperate with police searching for their missing child?

i take it the mcanns dont like your forum.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 02, 2014, 04:50:PM
Maybe if the McCanns had cooperated with the police investigation back in 2007 instead of thwarting it then the story might have been oh so different.  Not forgetting bringing in private investigators to illegally conduct a parallel inquiry into events.

Referring to a Portuguese police liaison officer publicly as a "fucking tosser...fucking tosser" [sic] is no excuse imo.

Out of interest what do you call parents who refuse to cooperate with police searching for their missing child?

I suspect it was very difficult to cooperate John given the language problem and the fact that those who were supposed to help them accused them at the same time.  Looking back, it must have been an awful situation for all sides.

They are guilty for leaving 3 children alone in an apartment in foreign Country, but I personally don't think they had anything to do with her disappearance...

I think Madeline will always be discussed, simply because its a mystery as to what happened to her.

I hope that one day the truth will come out.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 02, 2014, 05:58:PM
What's your stance? I thought you were pro-McCann and that Maddie had been abducted?

Personally, I'm with Amaral.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485524/Portuguese-detective-says-MI5-spies-know-what-happened-to-Madeleine-McCann

My stance is pro truth Roch.  There are unexplained events on both sides.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 03, 2014, 02:34:AM
Lol nugnug
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 05, 2014, 07:03:PM
Mccann troll Sweepyface aka Brenda Leyland,the lady Martin Brunt door stepped has been found dead in a Leicestershire hotel room. I can't put a link up sorry.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on October 05, 2014, 07:07:PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2781377/BREAKING-NEWS-Internet-troll-targeted-McCanns-dead-hotel-room-days-fleeing-home.html


I wonder how Martin Brunt is feeling after collaring her in the street? Who made him or Sky News  judge jury and exectuioner.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jane on October 05, 2014, 07:10:PM
Mccann troll Sweepyface aka Brenda Leyland,the lady Martin Brunt door stepped has been found dead in a Leicestershire hotel room. I can't put a link up sorry.



I saw a very small piece about it in the paper yesterday. It seems she was very sorry, but it didn't clarify whether it was sorrow for what she'd done or sorrow that she'd been found out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 05, 2014, 07:14:PM
Mccann troll Sweepyface aka Brenda Leyland,the lady Martin Brunt door stepped has been found dead in a Leicestershire hotel room. I can't put a link up sorry.

Here it is Tyler X

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2781377/BREAKING-NEWS-Internet-troll-targeted-McCanns-dead-hotel-room-days-fleeing-home.html

The woman who was this week unveiled as one of the trolls accused of targeting internet abuse at Madeleine McCann's parents has been found dead in a Leicestershire hotel.

Brenda Leyland, 63, was identified as one of the people posting online hate messages aimed at the McCanns, whose daughter disappeared during a family holiday to Portugal in 2007.

Leicestershire Police were called to a hotel in Smith Way, Grove Park in Enderby, Leicester today. A spokeswoman said the death was not being treated as suspicious.


The incident comes just days after she was exposed by Sky News reporter Martin Brunt as being one of the people behind an online campaign of vitriol.

Mrs Leyland was tracked down to her house in Burton Overy, Leicestershire by the crime correspondent and confronted about her online activities.

It was revealed that, using the Twitter handle @sweepyface, Mrs Leyland posted dozens of messages attacking the family.

Footage of the encounter was aired on Thursday. The following day, it was reported that Mrs Leyland had fled her Leicestershire home.


When asked why she was using her Twitter account to attack the McCanns, who live with their younger children, nine-year-old twins, in Rothley, Leicestershire, Mrs Leyland replied: 'I'm entitled to do that.'


And when Mr Brunt told her that she had been reported to police, and that Scotland Yard was considering a dossier of Twitter accounts said to show a 'campaign of abuse' against the McCanns, she paused as she got into a 4x4 and replied: 'That's fair enough.'

The crime correspondent said he was later invited into Mrs Leyland's house, where she told him she 'had questions for the McCanns' but 'hoped she hadn't broken the law' by posting tweets in which she spread rumours about the McCanns' marriage, and said she hoped they would suffer for ever.

According to the Leicestershire Mercury, a neighbour of Mrs Leyland said that she had 'fled the village' following the encounter with the crime correspondent.

The resident, who would rather not be named said: 'Somebody took a photo of her on Thursday afternoon and then she was gone. I haven’t seen her since.'

Another said: 'While I wouldn’t condone what Brenda is accused of doing, I am worried for her safety now she has apparently fled the village.'

A Leicestershire Police spokeswoman said: 'Police were called at 1.42 on Saturday 4 October to reports of a body of a woman in a hotel room in Smith Way, Grove Park.

'Officers have attended the scene and a file is being prepared for the coroner.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 05, 2014, 07:43:PM
how did sky news track her down did they say.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 05, 2014, 07:48:PM
Because the 'dossier' was handed to the media as well as SY. Oddly enough,Sky appear not to be reporting on Ms Leyland's death and Martin Brunt is taking a hammering on Twitter with calls for him to resign.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 05, 2014, 07:56:PM
was she using her own name then becouse its hard to track down who somone is on twitter unless they choose to revel it themselves.

that's why you get so much abusive behavior on there
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 05, 2014, 08:00:PM
The woman was obviously unhinged.

I can't stand Martin Brunt.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 05, 2014, 08:06:PM
well as she hadent been charged at the time and never will be now we dont know for a fact she did anything.

i cant stand anyone of the bastards who work for sky.

why the hell did they go around there before the police had had a chance to.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 05, 2014, 08:22:PM
was she using her own name then becouse its hard to track down who somone is on twitter unless they choose to revel it themselves.

that's why you get so much abusive behavior on there

I don't think that is correct Ungs. We all have an identity when we surf the internet whether it be an IP address or Proxy address. They can be traced.  Its more difficult to trace a proxy address, but by using a proxy address it has to go through a host, by doing so it leaves the original IP address.

For example if the IP address is in the USA it has to back tracked to where it came from, once the host is found, say in China, they can then go back to its original IP address and its unique to every individual and they can pin point the exact position in the home.  Its a bit like genealogy lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 05, 2014, 08:35:PM
its correct but only twiter have the ips and they dont give them away easly normal they only comply if you have a court order.

at one time thay insisted. on on a us warwnt from us judge.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 05, 2014, 08:40:PM
its correct but only twiter have the ips and they dont give them away easly normal they only comply if you have a court order.

at one thay insted on on a us warwnt from us judge.

Nugs you are right there.....It goes to show though that those that bully and attack people are not safe to think they can get away with it.  ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 05, 2014, 08:49:PM
well untill we see her tweets we dont know she did anything wrong.

i dont exept the word of sky news as proof of guilt.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 05, 2014, 11:57:PM
ive just had a read of some of her tweets she doesnt seem like a troll to me.

http://t.co/2eJJvkxkt5
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 06, 2014, 12:02:AM
ive just had a read of some of her tweets she doesnt seem like a troll to me.

http://t.co/2eJJvkxkt5

LOL....Nugs you have posted every tweet #Mccann

I can't find one of her tweets...I did notice someone posing as MWT though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 12:26:AM
the tweets are there ill try to find a better link.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 12:57:PM
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/how-do-tabloid-newspaper-hacks-manage-to-trace-private-home-addresses-of-twitter-users/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 06, 2014, 04:29:PM
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/how-do-tabloid-newspaper-hacks-manage-to-trace-private-home-addresses-of-twitter-users/

All he needed to do really was to get her to email him and hey presto they have the IP address.  I don't think its illegal to do that, but this sort of method is rife and quite easy to do, unless the sender is using a proxy, but even if they use one of those it has to pass through a host. Once the host has been identified then the senders details are unique to them.  Its like an internet fingerprint.

Nugs I don't agree with journalists using this method and exposing people. Its an invasion of privacy. If one has to research people for using vile attacks on people; in my opinion once they have gained that information it should be given to the correct authorities for them to deal with.  Journalist overstep the mark sometimes.

Her untimely death has sparked a major row on such methods used by journalists and rightly so. But, lets not forget the vile tweets this lady is supposed to have tweeted in the first place.   ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 04:36:PM
i see know evedence that she was troll just acused of being one ive seen a few of the actull trolls and there carrying on as normal,

i see no evedence she said the things aributed to her other than the rather dubious word of marten brunt.

the police hadent qustioned her.

funny he cliams to have been invited in her house but theres no recording of what was said.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on October 06, 2014, 04:43:PM
But, lets not forget the vile tweets this lady is supposed to have tweeted in the first place.   ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think you need to research her posts more, Patti. She didn't tweet the death threats did she? I think she is being grouped with some of the nastier comments that have been posted.

What I will say, Patti. Is this - is there much of a difference between her beliefs and the beliefs of some of the members on here? Bare with me.

Brenda Leyland had different beliefs about what happened to Maddie.
Brenda Leyland didn't believe the story from the relatives, she thought they had lied and covered up - she posted her thoughts on the internet.

How is that any different to say you or Lookout? If you don't believe that Bamber is guilty, then the Bamber relatives must have stitched up him with their findings & with the silencer. If you don't believe Bamber is guilty then the police must have stitched him up. So it's posted online that the Bamber relatives are liars, they are greedy - you don't believe the official case.

Now I know that you personally try to keep your posts as unpersonal as you can do when it comes to the Eatons and the Boutflours and even Julie Mugford, but i'm sure you have to agree that believing Bamber is innocent has to go hand in hand with saying people have lied to put him in prison and to keep him in prison.

What about the people that posts June is guilty of the murders? Or that the blood in the silencer was planted? That Julie told lies?

To the outside world aren't those type of comments in the same vain as Brenda Leyland's beliefs and posts?

To the Bamber relatives aren't some members here just as guilty as Brenda Leyland?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 04:47:PM
i watched most of the nasty weird tweeters and i never came across her.

i dont think her views were that diffrent to mikes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 06, 2014, 04:48:PM
I think you need to research her posts more, Patti. She didn't tweet the death threats did she? I think she is being grouped with some of the nastier comments that have been posted.

What I will say, Patti. Is this - is there much of a difference between her beliefs and the beliefs of some of the members on here? Bare with me.

Brenda Leyland had different beliefs about what happened to Maddie.
Brenda Leyland didn't believe the story from the relatives, she thought they had lied and covered up - she posted her thoughts on the internet.

How is that any different to say you or Lookout? If you don't believe that Bamber is guilty, then the Bamber relatives must have stitched up him with their findings & with the silencer. If you don't believe Bamber is guilty then the police must have stitched him up. So it's posted online that the Bamber relatives are liars, they are greedy - you don't believe the official case.

Now I know that you personally try to keep your posts as unpersonal as you can do when it comes to the Eatons and the Boutflours and even Julie Mugford, but i'm sure you have to agree that believing Bamber is innocent has to go hand in hand with saying people have lied to put him in prison and to keep him in prison.

What about the people that posts June is guilty of the murders? Or that the blood in the silencer was planted? That Julie told lies?

To the outside world aren't those type of comments in the same vain as Brenda Leyland's beliefs and posts?

To the Bamber relatives aren't some members here just as guilty as Brenda Leyland?

I will get back to you Mat....Have to nip out for a while. I did say supposed to have tweeted Mat. I have not seen her tweets so maybe I should refrain from commenting about them.

I am not responsible for what anyone posts Mat. I am only responsible for what I post.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on October 06, 2014, 04:49:PM
I will get back to you Mat....Have to nip out for a while. I did say supposed to have tweeted Mat. I have not seen her tweets so maybe I should refrain from commenting about them.

I am not responsible for what anyone posts Mat. I am only responsible for what I post.

Be brave at the dentist, Patti!  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 06, 2014, 07:47:PM
I think you need to research her posts more, Patti. She didn't tweet the death threats did she? I think she is being grouped with some of the nastier comments that have been posted.

I do Mat, because I have not seen a tweet of that nature. I'm afraid I am victim to bad press and second hand information. Mountains out of mole hills and all that. I did say supposed, does this let me off the hook? I guess in way it reflects my judgement and the fact I am only human, so therefore I make mistakes.  ;)

What I will say, Patti. Is this - is there much of a difference between her beliefs and the beliefs of some of the members on here? Bare with me.

Brenda Leyland had different beliefs about what happened to Maddie.
Brenda Leyland didn't believe the story from the relatives, she thought they had lied and covered up - she posted her thoughts on the internet. 

In my opinion Mat I have not read the full story. But, I have been on twitter and seen some of the disgusting remakes made on the family. To be honest I refrained from tweeting #Mxxxxxxxxxxxxxx because I did not want to be a part of that discussion.  Don't know about you but, debating is one thing, but it can also get out of hand like on a forum.

How is that any different to say you or Lookout? If you don't believe that Bamber is guilty, then the Bamber relatives must have stitched up him with their findings & with the silencer. If you don't believe Bamber is guilty then the police must have stitched him up. So it's posted online that the Bamber relatives are liars, they are greedy - you don't believe the official case.

I don't know why you pluck mine and Lookout's name out of the hat. Lookout says it like it is and yes sometimes Lookout can go a bit further that others do, Lookout is not as reserved as I am.  Because the Bamber case is debated on a forum its impossible not to speak about the relatives and the people that were involved at the time.  What happened will affect the rest of their lives too, especially Colin.  I see no reason to be hurtful towards them, they lost love ones too. I can only speak for myself Mat and its not my fault if other posters post nasty things about them.  I know I am a moderator, but I do not read every single post and if someone is unhappy about a post then it is up to them to contact admin or use the report button.  I could bore you daft and go on about it all night long, but again I am not responsible for what others write. I suppose in answer to your question there is no difference at all. Things are said on both red and blue forum that turn my stomach...I don't complain because, where will it get me?

Now I know that you personally try to keep your posts as unpersonal as you can do when it comes to the Eatons and the Boutflours and even Julie Mugford, but i'm sure you have to agree that believing Bamber is innocent has to go hand in hand with saying people have lied to put him in prison and to keep him in prison.

People will always have view Mat, no matter.

What about the people that posts June is guilty of the murders? Or that the blood in the silencer was planted? That Julie told lies?

To the outside world aren't those type of comments in the same vain as Brenda Leyland's beliefs and posts?

To the Bamber relatives aren't some members here just as guilty as Brenda Leyland?

I hope I covered everything...Gawd! The price of teeth these days lol
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 07:57:PM
sky have admited she wasnt the worst offender wich makes me wonder why the chose to single her out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 10:37:PM
not a troll at all acording to this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/06/trolls_0_n_5938990.html?ncid=webmail1
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 06, 2014, 10:43:PM
not a troll at all acording to this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/06/trolls_0_n_5938990.html?ncid=webmail1

Have they said what she died of Nugs or why she was staying in an hotel?  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 10:45:PM
no they havent said all they have said is her death is not suspicios.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 06, 2014, 10:51:PM
no they havent said all they have said is her death is not suspicios.

I know this is the wrong thread but I watched the documentary about Daniel. I get so annoyed at our government for allowing a 83 year old get on a train to visit them in London. Why on earth could they not visit Daniel's mum or get someone to fetch her.

Still no further forward with this case Nugs.....I did not know that J.Reese had been to court.

What do you think of Lennons statement at the inquest?  :-\ :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 06, 2014, 11:03:PM
im sure what i think about the statement really.

but note was in chardge of invstigation hamish of jill dando fame elm guesthouse fame.

im not suprised they havent cought anybody with him in charge.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest154 on October 07, 2014, 01:25:PM
Thanks for replying Patti. Think you misunderstood my main point but it's not something that needs to be debated, I just needed to get it off my chest.  :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2014, 12:19:AM
heres sonia poultons take on it. ive nnever really known what to make of her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJ7aDmcuG4
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 08, 2014, 01:12:AM
heres sonia poultons take on it. ive nnever really known what to make of her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJ7aDmcuG4

Very dramatic Nugs. She used the words pursued to her death? No one knows what the poor woman died of yet....

I might get pulled down for this, but why people are so so focused on the parents of Madeline? Why are they not focused on the fact that she is missing?

19 years Jaycee Gudhard's step father was persecuted. 18 months Elizabeth Sharp's father was. When will people stop hounding the innocent and start to rebel to the monsters that took these children?  >:(

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 08, 2014, 01:14:PM
I might get pulled down for this, but why people are so so focused on the parents of Madeline? Why are they not focused on the fact that she is missing?

Patti, do you believe the McCann's are innocent parties in Madeleine's disappearance?  I dont mean legally innocent.  I mean actually innocent. 

I get the feeling that a vast number of people feel otherwise. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 08, 2014, 04:51:PM
Patti, do you believe the McCann's are innocent parties in Madeleine's disappearance?  I dont mean legally innocent.  I mean actually innocent. 

I get the feeling that a vast number of people feel otherwise.

I've always believed that they had nothing to do with her disappearance. Why?  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2014, 04:56:PM
i dont think they had anything to do with it.

but they are own worst ememys at times you would think seing as they have people to advise them pr they would come over a lot better.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 08, 2014, 05:29:PM
 I also say that they had nothing to do with her disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2014, 05:44:PM
i think martin brunts going to be made the scapegoat for this.

http://crimejail.com/martin-brunts-career-mccann-twitter-troll-suicide/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 08, 2014, 06:00:PM
 It looks like it,nugs,even though I can't stand the chap.
I hadn't known that the woman had also tweeted the newspapers and some of the famous ?

It'd be like me sending " anonymous mail " to Downing street,the courts,etc about some of the findings on the Bamber forum and other links. Telling them all how little they all know.

Saying that,it would seem that a hate campaign has already been set up to hurl as much mud at Jeremy as is possible,judging by the knock-backs he's had.?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2014, 06:11:PM
she also tweeted to martin brunt asking if would investigate some of the things she was saying.

thats how he knew about her i think.

he was also lying when he said the police were investigating her.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 08, 2014, 06:43:PM
 This is when the internet can be a dangerous area.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2014, 08:20:PM
seems like he pretended . to be intrested in her theorys. so he could doorstep and call her a troll on live tv.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 09, 2014, 09:40:AM
That's when everyone would have been on to him like a ton of bricks. Yes,it's called scapegoating.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 09, 2014, 06:23:PM
I've always believed that they had nothing to do with her disappearance. Why?  :) :) :) :)

Hi Patti,

It does intrigue me because I know you like to analyse aspects of any case.  What did you make of the claim that Amaral made regarding an MI5 officer waiting to speak with the dog handler at the airport?  MI5 have been accused of covering up VIP paedophile rings.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 09, 2014, 08:08:PM
is this the same amoral who beat a confession out of a woman after her kid went missing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 09, 2014, 08:18:PM
Hi Patti,

It does intrigue me because I know you like to analyse aspects of any case.  What did you make of the claim that Amaral made regarding an MI5 officer waiting to speak with the dog handler at the airport?  MI5 have been accused of covering up VIP paedophile rings.

Hi Roch.  ;D

I studied this case many years. It would not surprise me one bit if there was indeed a cover up, its proving it that is difficult. 

I could say a great deal regarding Amaral, but I'd get carried away lol

To be honest with you, I don't now about the incident that you mention...When was this?  ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 09, 2014, 08:35:PM
an mi5 officer would not of indetified himself as an mi5 officer to a Portuguese policeman.

how would amoral know he was an mi5 officer.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 10, 2014, 09:17:AM
is this the same amoral who beat a confession out of a woman after her kid went missing.





Yes,nugs,he got his " henchmen " to do that. The poor woman was unrecognisable.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 10, 2014, 11:25:AM
i cant for the life of me understand why people his word as fact.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 10, 2014, 12:15:PM
 Herd mentality.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on October 11, 2014, 08:32:AM
is this the same amoral who beat a confession out of a woman after her kid went missing.
That may be Leonor Cipriano (sorry about the spelling).
Just after MM went missing, I did a stint with the police dog training school as part of a course I was doing and a lot of their police believe Goncalo Amaral and a lot of them had just been to Jersey to the children's home with Martin Grime, I believe there s some cover up somewhere by someone, look at the Ben Needham case, the government here could care less. What makes the Mccann's different? Money? Class?
I have a very big issue with the Mccanns if I am honest, they left their kids in bed while they went off drinking and now it's everyone else who should be looking while they set funds up to go on tour.
There's been a series of You Tube films put online which are worth a watch, bit repetitive at times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pY5FHP-K20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHnIjpO-Tg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 11, 2014, 04:38:PM
well it was a stupid thing to do but theyve got to live with it surely that's punishment enough.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 11, 2014, 10:54:PM
an mi5 officer would not of indetified himself as an mi5 officer to a Portuguese policeman.

how would amoral know he was an mi5 officer.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.msg262728.html#msg262728

Hi nugnug.  Post 2346 of this thread contains the link to the media article.  Amaral claims that the dog handler received a phone call and then informed a colleague of Amaral, that a member of MI5 was waiting at the airport to speak with him about the case. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 11, 2014, 10:57:PM
Hi Roch.  ;D

I studied this case many years. It would not surprise me one bit if there was indeed a cover up, its proving it that is difficult. 

I could say a great deal regarding Amaral, but I'd get carried away lol

To be honest with you, I don't now about the incident that you mention...When was this?  ;)

Hi Patti.  The link is in post 2346.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.msg262728.html#msg262728

Regarding Amaral, do you think there is a possibility that he could be the victim of a smear campaign?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 11, 2014, 11:00:PM
Has anyone seen a video of a police interview with David Payne?  It's on youtube somewhere.  It's were the police question him regarding the period prior to Maddie's disappearance, where there is a tennis match with Gerry involved and Mr. Payne pays Kate a visit at the McCann's apartment. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2014, 11:18:PM
Hi Patti.  The link is in post 2346.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.msg262728.html#msg262728

Regarding Amaral, do you think there is a possibility that he could be the victim of a smear campaign?

Cheers Roch. :)

I have read it and brought this little bit from it:

"The latest Scotland Yard squad is apparently working on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by burglars who were also involved in drug trafficking. Mr Amaral said the same theory was put forward by a Yard detective seconded to his team seven years ago.

“It was discussed and completely set aside because it made no sense,” he said. “Nobody has proved the house was broken into, that there was a theft, there are no traces of a break-in. No money, cameras or anything else was taken.”

Amaral is correct it was discussed at the onset. But, the PJ did not follow up on the possibility that it could have been a burglar that had taken Madeleine in order to sell her.  OK nothing was missing, passport, money etc. Except a child went missing and when Amaral was told this, he stayed in the restaurant and finished his dinner and turned up at the scene the following morning.

I think if MI5 did meet the dog handlers then NSY would have this information already, but it might be that the public are not to be told.

To be fair I don't dislike Amaral, but at the end of the day he is using the MM case to fuel further book sales. Its all PA stuff to me.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 11, 2014, 11:26:PM
Hi Patti.  The link is in post 2346.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.msg262728.html#msg262728

Regarding Amaral, do you think there is a possibility that he could be the victim of a smear campaign?

LOL...god no. Amaral was poor cop financially, and had the atire of Columbo. When he wrote his book on MM he changed his image to that of a more dignified character in order to promote his book.

His claims were shocking and without evidence. This is why the book got banned in court of law. I'm not sure if the book was only banned in Portugal and here????? I can't remember... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 12, 2014, 12:10:AM
LOL...god no. Amaral was poor cop financially, and had the atire of Columbo. When he wrote his book on MM he changed his image to that of a more dignified character in order to promote his book.

His claims were shocking and without evidence. This is why the book got banned in court of law. I'm not sure if the book was only banned in Portugal and here????? I can't remember... ;D ;D ;D ;D

The book is only banned in the UK although it can still be viewed in English on the www...says it all really.  For the record, the book was based on the Portuguese Attorney General's Archive Report which shelved the original investigation.  One reason for the shelving being the refusal of the tapas group to take part in a reconstruction as required by the investigators.  One has to wonder why in a claimed child abduction case would friends of the parents refuse to cooperate with police? 

One would think the question of cooperation was a foregone conclusion but apparently not in this case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 12:30:AM
LOL...god no. Amaral was poor cop financially, and had the atire of Columbo. When he wrote his book on MM he changed his image to that of a more dignified character in order to promote his book.

I can see why he would smarten him self up.  Because the spotlight was put on him, he was thrust in to the media and he was briefed against by the British press.  I think after he was removed and the dust settled, he came out fighting rather than be silenced.  That's the impression I have tended to have of him but I would be willing to review that position if I knew more info about him or about the specific claims he made that were not evidenced.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 12:31:AM
The book is only banned in the UK although it can still be viewed in English on the www...says it all really.  For the record, the book was based on the Portuguese Attorney General's Archive Report which shelved the original investigation.  One reason for the shelving being the refusal of the tapas group to take part in a reconstruction as required by the investigators.  One has to wonder why in a claimed child abduction case would friends of the parents refuse to cooperate with police? 

One would think the question of cooperation was a foregone conclusion but apparently not in this case.

I will try and find the David Payne video I posted about earlier.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on October 12, 2014, 12:49:AM
Yes please Roch. I'd be interested in seeing that too.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 01:07:AM
Yes please Roch. I'd be interested in seeing that too.

Hi Tyler, I believe that the video I saw is somewhere within the vidoes made by this man with a north east accent.  I will continue to try to find it.  In the meantime, here is an overview of the man's opinions...



He also did a video about the 9/11 ball, which is interesting.  I will post that up on the relevant thread.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 02:22:AM
'The True Story of Madeleine McCann' PART ONE
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 02:47:AM
'The True Story of Madeleine McCann' PART TWO



Examines the statements and police interviews of David Payne
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Caroline on October 12, 2014, 04:17:AM
Hi Tyler, I believe that the video I saw is somewhere within the vidoes made by this man with a north east accent.  I will continue to try to find it.  In the meantime, here is an overview of the man's opinions...

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He also did a video about the 9/11 ball, which is interesting.  I will post that up on the relevant thread.

This man is more or less saying that he thinks the McCann's killed their own child and that there has been a cover up - why would there be a cover up? What possible reason would ANY police force or government have to cover up the murder or accidental death of a child by her parents? Sorry, I don't get it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 04:25:AM
This man is more or less saying that he thinks the McCann's killed their own child and that there has been a cover up - why would there be a cover up? What possible reason would ANY police force or government have to cover up the murder or accidental death of a child by her parents? Sorry, I don't get it.

Hi Caroline,

That is a key question.  Why would there be a cover up?  I've posted up videos 1 & 2 of his research.  There are four videos in total but I'm still watching video 2.  Video 1 is interesting regarding who came on board right from the outset, in representing the McCanns.   

I think Amaral is right when he says of the McCann's "They know that Madeleine is dead and that there were no abductors."
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 04:54:AM
What possible reason would ANY police force or government have to cover up the murder or accidental death of a child by her parents?

To be fair to the Portugese, I'm not sure they could be accused of covering it up.  They could not corroborate the evidence of the sniffer dogs, although there was some DNA evidence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 04:58:AM
'The True Story of Madeleine McCann' PART THREE




Examines issues around funding and the use of private detective agencies
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2014, 06:18:AM
'The True Story of Madeleine McCann' PART FOUR




Covers some more of the private investigation shambles.  Also UK govt involvement from the start - Sheree Dodd sent then pulled from her role / leaked letter to Belgian press.  Involvment of Bell Pottinger.  Robert Murat & Gerry McCann mobile phones switched off then back on.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on October 12, 2014, 12:57:PM
This man is more or less saying that he thinks the McCann's killed their own child and that there has been a cover up - why would there be a cover up? What possible reason would ANY police force or government have to cover up the murder or accidental death of a child by her parents? Sorry, I don't get it.

the only cover up i can see his him trying cover up his own imcompetence brutality and corruption.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 12, 2014, 01:28:PM
Roch I did reply to you, but sadly all my posts have vanished.  Whoosh! I shall re-write them later.. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 13, 2014, 01:29:PM
the only cover up i can see his him trying cover up his own imcompetence brutality and corruption.

Hi Nugsy, Iwould be interested in available info about Amaral.  However I am also conscious of the possibility of him having been smeared.  For example - by 'paid govt trolls'.

With regards to the post by Caroline to which you replied, I understand it is a difficult concept to understand why a government or police force would support parents involved in their own daughter's death abroad.  The end of the Part 4 video briefly discusses some possibilities.  I think it's important to note that the Portugese did not try to cover it up.  But the case became hugely political (for whatever reasons). 

I feel it's also worth noting that govts and police forces (at a certain level) and security services, do not seem to flinch when covering up VIP paedophile activity.  Let's face it - we are talkiing about child sexual abuse.  Children trafficked from care homes to be the play things of the rich and powerful.  Please see the clip of Ken Livingston speaking about this (also at the end of part four).

Some of these childeren have disappeared or committed suicide. 

If you watch the videos, you will be staggered by the level of reaction on the part of the UK Govt. right from the off. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 13, 2014, 01:30:PM
Roch I did reply to you, but sadly all my posts have vanished.  Whoosh! I shall re-write them later.. :(

That's a pity Patti  :)  I look forward to you re-posting them.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on October 13, 2014, 01:33:PM
That's a pity Patti  :)  I look forward to you re-posting them.

Oh Roch I had forgot and I am off out shortly...to get wet through with the rain lol It is a real shame the posts vanished... :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 14, 2014, 02:44:PM
Oh Roch I had forgot and I am off out shortly...to get wet through with the rain lol It is a real shame the posts vanished... :(

No probs Patti.  There is a lot of info in the videos.  I only got to view them all because I was on night-shift.

Patti - I do not know this so am asking - are you aware of the last independent sighting of Maddie? (i.e. not Tapas 7). 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on October 14, 2014, 07:48:PM
Hi Roch very interesting videos.

I wonder why they tried to make the odd comments , excuses about the blood /corpse investigation by the dogs?

If it was in the apartment why could they just not say that she may have been killed there ? But by accepting the evidence I guess then would then mean that the blood in the car and clothes was also valid?

One thing I cant understand is if they are guilty why did they not just let the whole story die down? why keep brining it to the forefront again?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2014, 07:46:AM
British Paedo arrested in Malta,who was in the Algarve in 2007. Todays news.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 15, 2014, 03:13:PM
Hi Roch very interesting videos.

I wonder why they tried to make the odd comments , excuses about the blood /corpse investigation by the dogs?

If it was in the apartment why could they just not say that she may have been killed there ? But by accepting the evidence I guess then would then mean that the blood in the car and clothes was also valid?

One thing I cant understand is if they are guilty why did they not just let the whole story die down? why keep brining it to the forefront again?

You're right.  Very interesting videos indeed Jansus, in my opinion.  And free of charge for everyone to view.   Like he says - please spread the word.

I'm not sure why the McCann's attempted to explain away the cadavar / blood indications.  I suspect it was because they knew Madeleine's corpse / blood had been present in the places indicated by the dogs but they were also aware that the dog handler's evidence would not be enough for them to be tried / convicted.  This still left them with a problem, namely discrediting or undermining the dog handler's evidence.  The videos show how they tried to do this, including the American case.

With regards to your other question.  If the abduction was fake and planned as such, in the wake of Madeleine's death, then that in itself leaves a problem.  Somebody has to continue the search in an attempt to give credibility to the abduction scenario. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 15, 2014, 03:48:PM
British Paedo arrested in Malta,who was in the Algarve in 2007. Todays news.

Wouldn't it be ironic if...

In trying to cover up VIP paedophilia, the crime was pinned on a non-VIP paedophile?

Not that I'm saying that's why MI5 were involved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 15, 2014, 06:18:PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if...

In trying to cover up VIP paedophilia, the crime was pinned on a non-VIP paedophile?

Not that I'm saying that's why MI5 were involved.






The guy that police have arrested has certainly " done the rounds ",Thailand,the place favoured by these type of twisted and perverted subhumans.

I know what you mean though.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on October 15, 2014, 07:23:PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if...

In trying to cover up VIP paedophilia, the crime was pinned on a non-VIP paedophile?

Not that I'm saying that's why MI5 were involved.

after watching the programme about the vigilante paedophilia hunter and also this week 24 hours in custody , unfortunately nothing would surprise me.

If  the blood was detected in the car which they say they did not hire until 25 days later ( or did I misunderstand that?) then I can not understand how they would not have been seen transporting the body if the police were watching?

I did read when the case started from a famous Australia psychic that there was a paedophilia ring and there were "tunnels" that went under the church to whisk victims away. It always stuck in my mind.

Did the police intimate that the apartment had been cleaned that's why there was not much blood?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 16, 2014, 03:29:PM
If  the blood was detected in the car which they say they did not hire until 25 days later (or did I misunderstand that?) then I can not understand how they would not have been seen transporting the body if the police were watching?

Hi Jansus, this is something I've wondered about too.  I did read somewhere that Amaral claimed that the residue in the boot was from a source that had been frozen and then had started to defrost.

Did the police intimate that the apartment had been cleaned that's why there was not much blood?

I do not know about that but apparently this site contains a lot of info:

http://www.mccannfiles.com/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 26, 2014, 08:02:AM
One thing is clear, and that is that if Mad's died inside apartment 5A, then her body was not abducted by any pedo' ring or gang, or for resale, or whatever. MAD'S body was removed from the apartment with one thing in mind, and that was / is with the view of disposing of her body, hiding it temporarily, or concealing it permanently, somewhere not too far away...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 26, 2014, 08:32:AM
One thing is clear, and that is that if Mad's died inside apartment 5A, then her body was not abducted by any pedo' ring or gang, or for resale, or whatever. MAD'S body was removed from the apartment with one thing in mind, and that was / is with the view of disposing of her body, hiding it temporarily, or concealing it permanently, somewhere not too far away...

The sighting of the lone figure seen carrying a child in his arms in the direction of the beach, seems to me to have always had a ring of truth about it, as opposed to the other sighting made by one of the tapas bar group, who saw a man carrying a child in his arms across the junction outside apartment 5A in the opposite direction...

This indicates to me, that enquiries needed to be made of people and places on the coast line, or thereabouts...

The derelict building (5A) opposite the church at PDL, becomes a focal point for any such enquiries and investigation...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 26, 2014, 08:38:AM
The derelict building (5A) was /is the only isolated / remote premises and grounds within close proximity of the sighting of lone man carrying a child in his arms, where the body of a child could be taken and concealed, either temporarily, or as the case may be, permanently...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Michaela on October 27, 2014, 01:23:AM
Why do these places not have CCTV?  you would think they would have it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 27, 2014, 10:19:AM
Some CCTV film was destroyed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on October 27, 2014, 07:47:PM
So far I watched two and a half of the videos you posted Roch - thanks for them.

What I noticed was that Dr Payne´s explanation about how he went to see Kate when Gerry was playing tennis.
First of all, there were all these discrepancies in time and also change of story, but what I found most odd is how he mentioned several time how happy and good they all looked (Kate and the children). They were so well groomed and happy.
What a strange thing to say  - unless he was asked about it directly??

I wish that the video maker hadn´t read his statements aloud. He couln´t possibly know how the doctor speaks and his tone of voice. He was trying to put a slant on the statements - didn´t like that..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on October 28, 2014, 07:38:AM
Hi Caroline,

That is a key question.  Why would there be a cover up?  I've posted up videos 1 & 2 of his research.  There are four videos in total but I'm still watching video 2.  Video 1 is interesting regarding who came on board right from the outset, in representing the McCanns.   

I think Amaral is right when he says of the McCann's "They know that Madeleine is dead and that there were no abductors."

There would be a cover up because they were negligent-they left their kids with no supervision and not only that but they were doctors and it could have had dire consequences for them. Perhaps it's a bit like Shannon Matthews, her mother started something with no exit strategy, so she had to keep it going and now they can't tell the truth.
I don't buy into the 'Mark Warner had a baby listening service, so it might have happened anyway if they used that', when making a decision its a balance of consequences, they have to face the fact they left the kids and it went wrong.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 28, 2014, 09:24:AM
We all know that it was never the right thing to have done,to leave their children alone,and nobody knows better than themselves the enormous mistake they made------------but it doesn't give ANYONE the right to enter your home/apartment and steal a child.
This has been attempted on our own home ground where children playing in their own garden have been lucky not to have been stolen,but alerted in time.

In Cyprus,while on holiday,a young family very nearly lost their child to someone who'd pulled up in a car while the family were on the beach.The offender ran from the car and grabbed the childs' arm,until the father gave chase and retrieved the child. So far as I know,the incident wasn't pursued,though it was said that the family were so shocked that they packed up and went home.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 31, 2014, 09:06:PM
So far I watched two and a half of the videos you posted Roch - thanks for them.

What I noticed was that Dr Payne´s explanation about how he went to see Kate when Gerry was playing tennis.
First of all, there were all these discrepancies in time and also change of story, but what I found most odd is how he mentioned several time how happy and good they all looked (Kate and the children). They were so well groomed and happy.
What a strange thing to say  - unless he was asked about it directly??

I wish that the video maker hadn´t read his statements aloud. He couln´t possibly know how the doctor speaks and his tone of voice. He was trying to put a slant on the statements - didn´t like that..

Hi Alias,

I agree with you about the film maker.  Good point.  I also do not like the way he pronounces 'cadaver'. It's really irritating.

The mobile phone claim regarding GM and Robert Murat is astounding though isn't it?  If you take out of the equation the last claimed sighting by David Payne, who was the last person to have sighted Maddie and when was this?  How long would the McCann's and that Tapas party have had to concoct the abduction scenario?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on October 31, 2014, 11:09:PM
We all know that it was never the right thing to have done,to leave their children alone,and nobody knows better than themselves the enormous mistake they made------------but it doesn't give ANYONE the right to enter your home/apartment and steal a child.
This has been attempted on our own home ground where children playing in their own garden have been lucky not to have been stolen,but alerted in time.

In Cyprus,while on holiday,a young family very nearly lost their child to someone who'd pulled up in a car while the family were on the beach.The offender ran from the car and grabbed the childs' arm,until the father gave chase and retrieved the child. So far as I know,the incident wasn't pursued,though it was said that the family were so shocked that they packed up and went home.


I stayed in a hotel once for a company function .There was a child listening service . Which basically was a phone off the hook. my son was in a bed and my daughter was in a cot. we sat and had a meal - but I felt very uncomfortable despite the reception assuring me it was fine and they would come a get us if there was a problem. Anyway I decided I would not be happy unless I checked the children. as I walked down the hallway I could hear them screaming. When I went in the room my son had got my daughter out of the cot and they had run amock with my makeup and  baby talc. when I asked my son what they were doing he said he had seen the phone off the hook - thought it should not be like that so he put it back on and had let out his sister because he was lonely  :-\ That was the first and last time I trusted anything like that. And if we were abroad we just went back to hotels or apartments early.

I agree that you should not have to think constantly about evil people , but children left alone can be in danger from other things as well so that should be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on November 01, 2014, 04:14:AM
Hi Alias,

I agree with you about the film maker.  Good point.  I also do not like the way he pronounces 'cadaver'. It's really irritating.

The mobile phone claim regarding GM and Robert Murat is astounding though isn't it?  If you take out of the equation the last claimed sighting by David Payne, who was the last person to have sighted Maddie and when was this?  How long would the McCann's and that Tapas party have had to concoct the abduction scenario?
I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 01, 2014, 04:35:AM
I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?

Well whatever they were up to, I mean the McCanns, their group of friends the so called Tapas 7 and any other relevent parties such as Murat, something went badly wrong.  And it very quickly resulted in massive interference, spin doctoring and other support from UK authorities.   People will draw their own conclusions.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on November 01, 2014, 09:38:AM
I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?

And if they were , then why try and keep the case so high profile for so long?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 01, 2014, 01:53:PM
I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?






No,they're not lying. It was yet another bungled case right from the start.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 02, 2014, 03:29:PM
No,they're not lying. It was yet another bungled case right from the start.

The case divides opinion and I understand many people feel they are tragic victims of a child abduction.  However my understanding is that in Portugal where this took place, there is far less understanding or sympathy for them. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 02, 2014, 03:34:PM
And if they were , then why try and keep the case so high profile for so long?

They have to keep the abduction scenario alive.  If they were to give up 'looking for Madeleine', people would inevitably question their commitment to the abduction scenario. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2014, 03:51:PM
The case divides opinion and I understand many people feel they are tragic victims of a child abduction.  However my understanding is that in Portugal where this took place, there is far less understanding or sympathy for them.





Yes,I think this is the general concensus when a child goes missing there,as it's just as " another missing child ". If you read about the Casa Pia childrens home,it gives you an idea where most of the children used to end up. Stories from there are horrendous.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 02, 2014, 04:34:PM
Yes,I think this is the general concensus when a child goes missing there,as it's just as " another missing child ". If you read about the Casa Pia childrens home,it gives you an idea where most of the children used to end up. Stories from there are horrendous.

Madeleine is briefly mentioned in this article about Casa Pia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/guilty-after-sixyear-trial-portugals-highsociety-paedophile-ring-2070112.html

Lookout, what do you think of the Gaspar witness statements in the McCann case?  The alleged conversation witnessed between David Payne and Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 03, 2014, 11:13:AM
Madeleine is briefly mentioned in this article about Casa Pia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/guilty-after-sixyear-trial-portugals-highsociety-paedophile-ring-2070112.html

Lookout, what do you think of the Gaspar witness statements in the McCann case?  The alleged conversation witnessed between David Payne and Gerry McCann.





Roch,I didn't attach anything to the alleged conversation. It could have been an innocent conversation involving their work as doctors. When hearsay crops up,we only hear what we WANT to hear just to further their cause,and in this case,it was to blacken the names of both men.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2014, 11:48:AM




Roch,I didn't attach anything to the alleged conversation. It could have been an innocent conversation involving their work as doctors. When hearsay crops up,we only hear what we WANT to hear just to further their cause,and in this case,it was to blacken the names of both men.

Hi Lookout.  Do you mean that the Gaspars set out to blacken the names of Payne/GM or that persons unknown put them up to it? 

These are the statements:  http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 03, 2014, 02:23:PM
Hi Lookout.  Do you mean that the Gaspars set out to blacken the names of Payne/GM or that persons unknown put them up to it? 

These are the statements:  http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm





Hi Roch--------question marks by both " she " and" Madeleine ".In other words,only half a story was heard,a very dangerous practice to surmise that it could have been a specific person. Men talk amongst themselves and so the conversation could have been about anyone,or indeed told to Dave by a third party at some time.
I " believe " they were talking about Madeleine. Again,a possible misinterpretation as" believe" stated in that context is not definite,as in a spoken name of a person in question.

I cannot imagine that this behaviour would be displayed as openly as allegedly stated. I would say that the whole action/s of these conversations has been misconstrued.
Yes,I think Katerina had a very vivid imagination, or was put up to it,as some will go to any lengths to lay blame on another person.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2014, 06:12:PM




Hi Roch--------question marks by both " she " and" Madeleine ".In other words,only half a story was heard,a very dangerous practice to surmise that it could have been a specific person. Men talk amongst themselves and so the conversation could have been about anyone,or indeed told to Dave by a third party at some time.
I " believe " they were talking about Madeleine. Again,a possible misinterpretation as" believe" stated in that context is not definite,as in a spoken name of a person in question.

I cannot imagine that this behaviour would be displayed as openly as allegedly stated. I would say that the whole action/s of these conversations has been misconstrued.
Yes,I think Katerina had a very vivid imagination, or was put up to it,as some will go to any lengths to lay blame on another person.

Thanks for your opinion Lookout.  It's interesting that David Payne was officially the last person other than the McCann's to see Madeleine alive and that his account of that meeting has many differences compared to Kate McCann's account. 

Yvonne Martin's information is also interesting:

Quote
Yvone Martin's Witness Statements


  Report on Yvone Martin's initial conversations with the PJ, 12 June 2007
  Report on Yvone Martin's initial conversations with the PJ PJ Files

Processos Volume IX
Pages 3422 - 3424

SERVICE INFORMATION

Date: 2007 – 06 - 12

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, Dr. Gonçalo Amaral

From: José Monteiro, Inspector

Re: Collection of Information

In the sequence of information transmitted to this Police force, on this date we went to the residence of Yvonne Warren Martin. The team was composed of the undersigned and his colleague Carlos Antunes, in conversation with Yvone the following was established:

- On May 04, 2007, at around 07H00 she heard about the disappearance of an English girl from Praia da Luz, Lagos, from Sky News or BBC.

- Having worked for 25 years in the area of child protection, she felt obliged to offer help to her compatriots and went to Praia da Luz.

– At around 09H00, she met the McCann couple next to the apartment from where the child had disappeared, accompanied by a third person, a male, who seemed quite familiar to her.

- This third person of the group appeared to be an intimate (friend) of the family as he was the one who, when the media arrived, began to explain what was happening and answering questions, thereby saving the couple from this upset. Afterwards, she further confirmed his closeness to the family when she saw him taking care of the couple's twins, also small children.

- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation.

- During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.

- However, the third individual overheard this conversation and interrupted Ms. Martin and took the McCann couple away from her.

- This same individual came shortly afterwards to tell her that the couple did not want to talk to her any further and did not require her help—an action that appeared quite strange to her.

- Meanwhile, she heard comments next to the complex reception that the British Consul was coming to the site and she decided to wait for this person in order to offer her help.

- During this time, she saw the third individual two more times. Firstly, when he was accompanying an older woman and the McCann twins, demonstrating in this way, the trust that the couple had in him by letting him take care of their two children. On the second occasion, he accompanied what appeared to her to be plain clothed police officers.

--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:

Aged about 35 years
Of about 1,80 metres in height
Of normal physical appearance
Having short, dark hair
Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses
Having a round face
Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek
Speaking with a Southern English accent
Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

– When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

Bringing this to your attention,

Signed

José Monteiro


  Yvone Martin: Witness Statement, 13 June 2007
  Yvone Martin: Witness Statement PJ Files


Processos Volume XIII
Pages 3425 - 3428

Witness Statement

Date: 2007.06.13

Time: 12H00

Name: YVONE WARREN MARTIN

Profession: Social Services and Child Protection

The witness is accompanied by a PJ interpreter, Carlos Moura, as she does not speak Portuguese.

She says that she has lived in Portugal for seven years on a part-time basis, in other words,for some months of the year she lives in her home in Sargaçal and for the rest of the year lives in England, where she still works.

During the past month of May or more precisely on the 04th of May 2007, the witness was in Portugal, enjoying holidays, when at about 07H00 she turned on the television and watched an English news channel (BBC or SKY NEWS) where she saw an appeal to British citizens on holiday in the Algarve to offer all possible support to a British couple who were on holiday in Praia da Luz and whose daughter, a child, had disappeared on May 03, 2007.

As she works directly with situations of children at risk, and as she was very close to Praia da Luz, she went there with the intention of offering her help and support to the couple, she arrived there at about 09H30.

She clarifies that she did not leave immediately for Praia da Luz as she still had some things to do at home but left at around 09H00.

At first, she could not locate the exact site where the family was staying on holiday. Upon seeing a police patrol car which passed close by her, she asked the police if they could show her the right location. She was accompanied by the patrol car to the apartment from where the child had disappeared and where the parents were staying.

At the scene, she found a group of three people, two males and one female.

She went over to the group and identified herself.

Two members of that group, a male and a female, identified themselves as the parents of the missing child—the McCann couple.

The couple were visibly upset, and the mother was crying intensely.

The third person never identified himself, upon the witness's insistence the couple replied that he was a close friend of the family.

She adds that this third person appeared familiar to her.

Taking advantage of the information that she had heard on the news, she began questioning the couple about how often they had checked on the children, obtaining the reply that people would go to see them every hour.

As is normal and routine in her service, she asked whether Gerry was the biological father of the missing child, to which he replied yes.

She clarifies that she asked this question because during the course of her 25 years of service working with children at risk, it is very normal that when a couple has child and where the father or the mother is not a biological parent, the biological parent may have a tendency to come and "get" his child.

After having obtained the verbal response from Gerry, the mother, Kate, questioned what she was doing asking these questions which should be asked by the police, who were already on the scene in large numbers searching for her daughter, who had been taken by a couple.

At this moment, the witness notices that the couple began to have doubts about her capacity and she immediately showed them her official documents and credentials issued by the British government to calm them down.

Gerry took her documents and showed them to the third person and told him that they were authentic and were certified by the police.

At this moment, the witness wishes to clarify that, in England, anyone who works with children, whether a doctor, police officer or social worker, has to have a proper credentials certified by the police and that this was one of the documents she showed to the McCanns.

Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.

The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10 in the morning.

Meanwhile a fourth individual came towards the group and identified himself as a journalist. The witness alerted the couple to the type of statements they should give and that it would be better for them to keep silent.

At this moment, the third person, who was always near to the couple and the witness, moved the couple away from her and the three of them talked in whispers for some time.

After this, and leaving the couple behind him, he approached the witness and told her that the couple did not want to speak any more with her, nor with anyone else.

The witness replied to him that if the McCann couple felt the need to talk to her later, she would be at their total disposal.

As she said earlier, this third person of the group is familiar to her, and thinks that she may have come across him in the course of her work, as a suspect or witness.

She describes him as tall man, height about 1,80 m, about 35 years old, of normal physical complexion, with short, dark hair, with a round face and with a scar on the left side of his face running from the eyebrow to the check. He uses graduated glasses of small dimension with rectangular lenses. He spoke with a southern English accent and was wearing cream coloured trousers and a dark polo shirt.

When asked whether that it would be possible to identify him from a photograph, the witness replied yes.

She adds that, after having spoken to the McCann couple, she spoke to the resort manager, and after identifying herself, asked him whether there had been a break-in in the apartment where the child was, to which he replied no but that the door was open as were the window blinds, which, according to Kate, should have been closed but were found open.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.


  Yvone Martin: Photographic Recognition File, 13 June 2007
  Yvone Martin: Photographic Recognition File PJ Files


Processos Volume XIII
Page 3429

Photographic Recognition File

On 13th June, 2007 at the Portimao DIC, Yvone Warren Martin appeared before me, José Monteiro, Inspector, in order to proceed with photographic recognition.

When asked, she described the suspect and she was shown photographs of various individuals who made up the McCann couple holiday group.

Upon visualising the photographs, she recognised David Anthony Payne, an individual who appeared in several photographs, as being the person she referred to in her statements and who she supposedly had known on another occasion.

The present document was drawn up and after being translated by the interpreter, will be signed.

Three signatures


  Yvone Martin: Witness Statement, 14 November 2007
  Yvone Martin: Witness Statement PJ Files


Processos Vol XIII
Pages 3430 - 3433 or pages 141-143

YVONE WARREN MARTIN

Places Worked:
1. Gateshead, Tyne & Wear
2. Southshields, Tyne & Wear
3. Newcastle, Tyne & Wear
4. York, North Yorkshire
5. Hull, Kingston Upon Hull
6. North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear
7. Plymouth, Devon

Witness Statement

Date: 2007/11/14
Time: 10H30
Place: DIC Portimao

Name: YVONE WARREN MARTIN

Profession: Social Services and Child Protection

She comes to the process as a witness and as she does not speak Portuguese she is accompanied by interpreter Filipa Maria da Conceição Silva who will translate all questions and answers into English.

The witness has given a previous statement to this police force regarding the facts in question. This took place on 13-06-2007 and led to the inquiry of the statement that was taken. The witness confirms the complete integrity of that statement, everything was fully reproduced for this file. The witness was also shown attached page showing the places of work where she carried out her professional activities as Social Services Manager for Child Protection, having also confirmed that these were the cities where she carried out her professional activities.

She states that in the course of her contact with Madeleine's parents, described in detail in her previous statements, Kate told her that the child had been taken by a couple. During the meeting they had, the details of which are contained in her previous statement, she did not have the opportunity to ask in depth about this question nor about any other.

With regards to the individual who was close to Madeleine's parents when she met them, and who was later identified as David Payne, she reaffirms that the same individual seems familiar, possibly as this same individual intervened in a situation related to a professional activity of the witness. She clarifies that neither on that occasion, nor now that time has passed, can she remember concretely the place or the situation in which she may have come to know David Payne, but that she continues to think that the same individual is familiar to her but cannot state the particular situation.

She adds that her hypothesis is that she may have come to know him professionally through work, potentially having been colleagues at work or have worked at the same place but she cannot be certain where she met him as she does not remember

She says that about two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, when the police made an appeal for information about a man, carrying a child, who had been seen in the Luz zone, and whose clothing was described, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police, telling them the following: regarding the various details she observed during her contact with the McCanns it is her opinion that they could be in some way involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.

She first found them aggressive and their reaction after she showed Madeleine's parents her credentials, also seemed strange to her. Afterwards she was informed that there were no signs of a break-in in the apartment. Knowing that they are doctors she found it absolutely abnormal that they left their children alone at home. Associating all of this with her professional experience, which tells her that in 99.99 % of missing children cases, the parents or other family members are involved, she felt it was her duty to inform the police of this.

She did this anonymously because she did not want to be bothered by the media. But she also states that according to what she remembers, when she met with Madeleine's parents, David Payne, who was with them, was wearing a dark polo shirt, blue or black coloured, cream coloured long trousers, of linen or cotton, and dark shoes (sandal/slipper type without a back buckle/catch). In her opinion, this clothing matches perfectly with the clothing the Police described the man (carrying the child) to be wearing at the time. All these coincidences made the witness think that the parents and their friends could possibly be involved in the disappearance of the child.

She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.


  Yvone Martin: Service Information, 14 November 2007
  Yvone Martin: Service Information PJ Files


Processos Vol XIII
Page 3421

Date : 2007 – 11 - 14

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Paolo Rebelo

From: Paolo Ferreira, Inspector

Service Information

Subject: Expedient related to Yvone Warren Martin

In the sequence of the contents of the service information in annex, which was prepared by Inspector José Monteira on 12 – 06 – 2007, the questioning of Yvone Warren Martin was twice begun, according to the files that are also joined to this.

The statement relates in detail her intervention with the McCann couple after having heard about Madeleine’s disappearance.

She adds that on one occasion, because it had occurred to her that the parents and the friends could eventually be involved in the child’s disappearance, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police.

The statements given to the PJ today by Yvone Martin provide a concrete clarification of the reasons for her suspicions, which in my opinion, do not point to any concrete element that could, in any way, make other inquiries directly related to her statements, viable.

With nothing further to add.

Signed

Inspector Ferreira


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 03, 2014, 08:32:PM
 Hi Roch,yes it is interesting,but my take on David Payne is that it's a case of mistaken identity because there were 4 men at close quarters who all looked the same in appearance.
1) David Payne.
2) Robert Murat.
3) Angus Symington.? or David------Symingtons are related to the Murats.
4) Sergey Malinka.

Such an uncanny likeness,they could all be related. There are a few sites where you can see this phenomenon.
Patti and myself trawled through tons of material concerning this case not long after it had happened.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 04, 2014, 06:11:PM
Hi Lookout/Roch

There is no substance in the Gaspers account of what she might have seen or thought she saw. The police have looked into that.  She was unsure of what it was they were saying or doing. I am not saying that because I am pro Macann, I am saying it because its how I view it.

Can I recommend a better site than the Mcannfiles because this site is engineered by a close friend of Amaral's....

This site is run by Pamalam and is much better.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/CopiedMessages.htm

Malinka has been ruled out Lookout....I think they are concentrating on mobile use at the time MM went missing and have linked various calls to ex burglars in that area at the time.

I doubt anything will come of their search now. Its many years too late.

David P....was asked by Gerry to go and check on Kate for they did not come back out to the play area as they normally did. The children were tired.   :)


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 04, 2014, 10:51:PM
It appears that SY are to do some more interviewing.  Also they are asking for all the forensic evidence to be re-checked.  DNA has advanced considerably since 2007.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 05, 2014, 11:00:AM
 Hi Patti,I never did take the Gaspars seriously at all,as those who try and listen in on conversations invariably get the wrong end of the stick. Mrs Gaspar reminded me of AE in that respect !

Thanks for the info on any forthcoming news re.mobiles.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 08, 2014, 09:34:AM
Hi Patti & Lookout.  I'm going to look in to this a bit more my self to get some context.  I may have to re-watch the videos I posted up.  I will be posting up another video today which briefly mentions the MCann case within the context of CSA/blackmailing an 'asset'.

I do feel it's quite a coincidence that:

Yvonne Martin photo ID'd Payne, regardless of there having been other similar looking male candidates present.

Payne places him-self as the last person to see Maddie alive other than her own parents.

In doing so, Payne's account of this meeting differs considerably from Kate McCann's account. (Could the meeting be an invention designed to create false time-line for Maddie, who could have actually died earlier than the time-line attached to the abduction scenario?)

Payne's interview with Leicestershire police is very stuttering.  It's littered with 'Umms'

Katherina Gaspar statement does allege an overtly sexual comment/gesture by Payne in respect of Madeleine McCann, which caused a brief awkward silence in the group present. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on November 09, 2014, 03:51:PM
Hi Patti & Lookout.  I'm going to look in to this a bit more my self to get some context.  I may have to re-watch the videos I posted up.  I will be posting up another video today which briefly mentions the MCann case within the context of CSA/blackmailing an 'asset'.

I do feel it's quite a coincidence that:

Yvonne Martin photo ID'd Payne, regardless of there having been other similar looking male candidates present.

Payne places him-self as the last person to see Maddie alive other than her own parents.

In doing so, Payne's account of this meeting differs considerably from Kate McCann's account. (Could the meeting be an invention designed to create false time-line for Maddie, who could have actually died earlier than the time-line attached to the abduction scenario?)

Payne's interview with Leicestershire police is very stuttering.  It's littered with 'Umms'

Katherina Gaspar statement does allege an overtly sexual comment/gesture by Payne in respect of Madeleine McCann, which caused a brief awkward silence in the group present.

Her husband too, but he took less notice of it. Fairly typical male/female difference, in my opinion. Often women notice more nuances.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

This gives me a bad feeling - I also don´t like his statements, they are strange. As I said, why was he saying repeatedly that the MaCann children looked so good, so clean, so healthy. Just odd.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 11, 2014, 08:23:AM
 The latest news is that a British man and a woman possibly feature in Madeleines' disappearance.

There were a few sightings of couples at the start of the investigation. The couple at a petrol station. Another couple who were in a taxi with a child. In fact they were 3 men and a woman who the taxi-driver took to a hotel on the Spanish border. Also,the taxi driver mentioned Murat as having been in " a" taxi on the night that the child went missing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 11, 2014, 11:53:AM
The latest news is that a British man and a woman possibly feature in Madeleines' disappearance.

Sorry if I appear facetious but Kate & Gerry are a British man & woman.

There were a few sightings of couples at the start of the investigation. The couple at a petrol station. Another couple who were in a taxi with a child. In fact they were 3 men and a woman who the taxi-driver took to a hotel on the Spanish border. Also,the taxi driver mentioned Murat as having been in " a" taxi on the night that the child went missing.

I've read of a rather grim theory that Maddie was kidnapped to be supplied to a Eurocrat and then subsequently killed, some months later (though this contradicts the original Portugese authorities' assertion that she died in the apartment).  Didn't Kate say something akin to 'they've taken her'?  Whatever took place, perhaps they were not supposed to 'take her' or perhaps she was not supposed to be killed as a result of whatever was supposed to take place.

The roles of Murat, Payne and G McCann remain an enigma.     
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 18, 2014, 08:25:PM
 I watched the programme tonight which showed how the media had a field day selling their publications at a record rate by printing libellous material,so what they'd gained in sales,they immediately lost to complaints of libel. All the media have done from day one is vilify the McCanns,and as a consequence did their utmost,and succeeded in lots of cases,to get the public on the side of the press.
A very familiar scenario ?.
Then Amaral with his book showed more determination to again,get the public on his side,by way of a cover-up for his and his officers shortcomings. The McCanns are still waiting to go to court over the book.
Another familiar scenario ?.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2014, 08:48:PM
I watched the programme tonight which showed how the media had a field day selling their publications at a record rate by printing libellous material,so what they'd gained in sales,they immediately lost to complaints of libel. All the media have done from day one is vilify the McCanns,and as a consequence did their utmost,and succeeded in lots of cases,to get the public on the side of the press.
A very familiar scenario ?.
Then Amaral with his book showed more determination to again,get the public on his side,by way of a cover-up for his and his officers shortcomings. The McCanns are still waiting to go to court over the book.
Another familiar scenario ?.

Hi Lookout

The seed was planted and once it takes root it grows.  The media are classic first hand seed planters along with authors.

We gain all our knowledge from what we read and what we hear.  We never cloud our judgement. It trigger part of the brain and its there where we store all our information.

Sadly there are more people that believe what they see and hear than there are of those that don't.

I took a leaf out of my Grandmother's book at an early age and that was tell to nobody nowt, but let them know what you want them to know. Always let them think you have money and stuff your purse with paper and only believe stuff if you see it for yourself. 

I never took much notice of what she told me, but I wont forget her preachings.  The older I get the more those words make me believe that what she told me was right.

Gawd I do waffle on sometimes. lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 19, 2014, 11:07:AM
Hi Lookout

The seed was planted and once it takes root it grows.  The media are classic first hand seed planters along with authors.

We gain all our knowledge from what we read and what we hear.  We never cloud our judgement. It trigger part of the brain and its there where we store all our information.

Sadly there are more people that believe what they see and hear than there are of those that don't.

I took a leaf out of my Grandmother's book at an early age and that was tell to nobody nowt, but let them know what you want them to know. Always let them think you have money and stuff your purse with paper and only believe stuff if you see it for yourself. 

I never took much notice of what she told me, but I wont forget her preachings.  The older I get the more those words make me believe that what she told me was right.

Gawd I do waffle on sometimes. lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D








Aww,Patti,it's not waffle at all. The post made me smile when you mentioned grannies' purse stuffed with paper,as my old dad used to play tricks on mum and put buttons and washers in her purse before she went out shopping. Mum thought she was well off until she opened her purse. ;D ;D ;D ;D

The Madeleine case is sad enough without those who continue to vilify the parents just because they're doctors,live in a big house and have enough money to choke a goat. Peoples' mentality !!
Similar to Jeremy. Young,well-off farmer who wears Boss suits,etc.
I'd like to know what all this has to do with either crimes in question,but sadly,it's the way of life today in being quick to blame.
My dad always referred to the 3 monkeys------Hear no Evil,See no Evil,Speak no Evil.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 19, 2014, 03:51:PM
I watched the programme tonight which showed how the media had a field day selling their publications at a record rate by printing libellous material,so what they'd gained in sales,they immediately lost to complaints of libel. All the media have done from day one is vilify the McCanns,and as a consequence did their utmost,and succeeded in lots of cases,to get the public on the side of the press.
A very familiar scenario ?.
Then Amaral with his book showed more determination to again,get the public on his side,by way of a cover-up for his and his officers shortcomings. The McCanns are still waiting to go to court over the book.
Another familiar scenario ?.

what anoys me with the mainstream media is they talk about mcann trolls when they created in the first.

there holding people resonseble for beliving things they printed in the first place
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 19, 2014, 09:33:PM
 The police want to interview Robert Murat----------again.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2014, 10:01:AM
For some reason, police do not appear to want to serch the grounds of the derelict building (5A) located across the street fr the church in Luz. This is despite the fact that (1) it is a significant vantage point for any potential abductor  to observe potential  targets, going too and from the beach and the church, (2) pressence of a single bed mattress on floor  of room which provides a view of the church,  (3) discarded clothing belonging to a lone male suspect...

(4) Bones were discovered in the mounds and mounds of garden vegetation  in the rear garden, and (5) area of didturbed earth situated un a hollow at the rear of the garden...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jan on November 26, 2014, 12:39:PM
I heard there were tunnels leading from the church as well.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 26, 2014, 09:17:PM
I believe there are many tunnels under PDL Jan. I don't think they have ever been explored.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 10:21:AM
In my opinion, two factors play a significant role in Maddies demise:-

(1) - parents went out and left the apartment insecure, by leaving the patio doors unlocked. These patio doors were accessible from the street at the  side of the apartment, and offerred an ideal opportunity for the child, or her body to be removed, with little opportunity of those responsible being seen from the tapas bar area...

(2) - Kate McCann made the fatal error of agreeing to two members of the group to go and check on her children at about 9.30pm, informing them that they did not need a key to let themselves in, because the patio doors had been left unlocked...

I have much more to say in due course...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 12:42:PM
Was the patio door left unlocked deliberately, and if so what was that reason?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 12:46:PM
Why did the McCanns leave apartment 5A by the roadside door (car park side of building), and lock it, knowing that the patio doors on the opposite side of the building was left unlocked, without the external lighting for the patio area, being switched on?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 12:50:PM
Nobody saw Gerry McCann entering or leaving apartment 5A, when he left the tapas bar at just after 9.05pm. I believe he entered the apartment by the locked roadside door on that occasion, even though the patio door was supposedly unlocked...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 12:57:PM
Nobody saw Gerry McCann entering or leaving apartment 5A, when he left the tapas bar at just after 9.05pm. I believe he entered the apartment by the locked roadside door on that occasion, even though the patio door was supposedly unlocked...

This produces the possibilty that he may not have entered the apartment at all, on that occasion, but was engaged doing something else...

Alternatively, to be pondered, is that before leaving the apartment that he deliberately left the patio door open, as a result of placing Maddies body outside in the garden area, beneath the patio, and that in his panic he forgot to re-lock the patio doors, or that he deliberately unlocked the patio doors, for others to enter later on, with a view to taking Maddies body away, for disposal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 01:06:PM
Yet to be established by interview of the parents by police, is whether both parents knew the patio doors were left unlocked before they left to go to the tapas bar, or whether or not it was locked, and only unlocked by Gerry McCann, when he went back at just after 9.05pm, and the motive for leaving the patio door unlocked, if the parents used the other roadside door to leave and return on all subsequent occasions leading upto the disappearance of Maddie by around 10pm, that same evening?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 01:13:PM
In any event, the two group members who left the tapas bar at around 9.30pm to check on the McCann children, used the unlocked patio doors to enter apartment 5A. It seems too convenient that the parents left the patio doors unlocked, when they themselves used the locked roadside door on all subsequent occasions that evening, but that Kate volunteers the information to the two group members that the patio doors had been left unlocked, and that within half an hour of this, Maddie is gone...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 01:17:PM
Why did Kate, leave at around 10pm to go check on the children, when the two group members had taken Kates turn to check, at around 9.30pm? Why didn't Gerry McCann go and do the checking at 10pm, since it was his turn in the grand scheme of things...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 01:20:PM
Now, based upon what is now known, or believed to be true:-

According to the cadaver and blood hound dogs, they gave a reaction in an area directly behind the sofa that a body had been concealed there at some point. Additionally, the dogs gave a similar reaction in the shrubbery of the garden directly beneath the patio area...

This suggests to me, that at one time or another, Maddies body was concealed behind the sofa in the lounge of apartment 5A, then moved outside into the garden amongst the shrubbery beneath apartment 5A's patio. Both of these events suggest that there was a deliberate attempt to conceal a body, once inside apartment 5A, and once outside in the garden beneath the patio. This fits in perfectly with the two visits paid back to apartment 5A, by Gerry McCann at just after 9.05pm, and the two group members at around 9.30pm, and the claim that the patio doors, had deliberarely been left unlocked...

If the two locations of behind the sofa inside apartment 5A, and amongst the shrubbery of the garden outside, beneath the patio, are are linked together in the same enterprise, then these separate events can only have occurred sometime before Gerry McCann returned to the tapas bar after his supposed check at around 9.05pm, and after the check made by the two group members at around 9.30pm, where Maddies body was behind the sofa in the first instance, and hidden outside amongst the shrubbery of the garden, in the other...


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 01:43:PM
By the time of Kates return to apartment 5A occurred at around 10pm, Maddy was no longer inside apartment 5A, it was almost certainly outside in the poolside garden, beneath the patio, amongst the shrubbery...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 01:45:PM
I think the introduction of the open window and raised metal shutter of the bedroom, is nothing but a red herring introduced by the group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 01:50:PM
Lo and behold - we find Gerry McCann and other group members searching in the area of the garden beneath the patio above belonging to apartment 5A, within minutes of the alarm being raised by Kate, with cries of, "they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddy's gone"...

Who had taken Maddy, when, why, and where?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 05:27:PM
We also learn, that the cadaver and blood dogs got a reaction inside a wardrobe in the parents bedroom...

So, body could have been (a) inside a wardrobe in the parents bedroom, (b) behind the sofa in the lounge, and (c) amongst the shrubbery in the poolside garden beneath the patio of apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 05:45:PM
We also learn, that the cadaver and blood dogs got a reaction inside a wardrobe in the parents bedroom...

So, body could have been (a) inside a wardrobe in the parents bedroom, (b) behind the sofa in the lounge, and (c) amongst the shrubbery in the poolside garden beneath the patio of apartment 5A...

The above is a possible sequence of events, (a), (b), followed by (c)...

If this is what did happen, then we somehow have to fit everything in, to the time slots involving the following nominal periods:-

Period (1) - between Gerry McCann playing tennis, and the McCann parents leaving apartment 5A at about 8.30pm to go to the tapas bar restuarant for evening meal and drinks...

Period (2) - between the McCann parents leaving to go to the tapas bar at 8.30pm, and 9.05pm, when Gerry McCann left the tapas bar, and 9.30pm when two group members left the tapas bar to go check on the McCann children in apartment A...

Period (3) - between when the two group members left the tapas bar at around 9.30pm, and 10pm, when Kate McCann went to the family apartment to make a personal check on her children, only to discover Maddie to be gone...

There are other important periods, which I shall outline in due course...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 05:52:PM
I believe it is possible for the body to have been concealed in the aforementioned locations (a), (b), and (c), which corresponds with the periods, (1), (2) and (3), as set out in my example.  If this is true, then the parents and other members of the group must have already known that Maddie had died, or that she was critically ill,  before the parents left for the tapas bar at 8.30pm...

I have a good reason for believing this to be true...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 05:56:PM
I do not believe that any would be peodaphile, or opportunist abducter, would have concealed Maddies body in locations, (a), (b), and (c) in the process of her disappearance. Furthermore, why would any abducter want to steal a dead child? It just doesn't make sense, for anyone to abduct a dead child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 06:05:PM
I have now had ample time to review all the circumstances of the case, and I have come to the conclusion that Maddie was no longer inside apartment 5A, by the time Gerry McCann returned to the tapas bar after his visit to apartment 5A at 9.05pm, I have good reason to suspect that by the time the two group members left the tapas bar to go check on the McCann children at 9.30pm, that Maddies body could already have been moved from behind the sofa in the lounge, into the shrubbery of the poolside garden, beneath the patio of apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 06:12:PM
In turn, I believe that between the time (8.30pm) when the parens left apartment 5A to go to the tapas bar, and the time Gerry McCann left the tapas bar (9.05pm) and arrived inside apartment 5A, that Maddie had been concealed behind the aforementioned sofa, where the parents, or one or other of the group had put her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 06:15:PM
Prior to this, the body had been hidden inside the wardrobe of the parents bedroom...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 06:32:PM
Now, there is only one member of the so called tapas group who had opportunity to be involved in the killing of Maddie, inside apartment 5A, displacement from the bedroom wardrobe to behind the sofa, and the removal of the body from behind the sofa to amongst the shrubbery of the poolside garden beneath the patio of apartment 5A, and that person is non other than the one and only (Robert Murat look alike) David Payne. He had the opportunities to be involved in displacing the body inside apartment 5A, to outside in the garden, and elsewhere - something prevents me from saying with complete certainty that he acted alone in this enterprise...

 Details to follow:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 07:55:PM
After the McCanns left their apartment (5A) at around 8.30pm, David Payne walked in the wrong direction after leaving his own apartment door, and paused outside the bedroom window behind where the McCann children normally would have been sleeping. What an odd thing to do, at that time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 08:10:PM
After the McCanns left their apartment (5A) at around 8.30pm, David Payne walked in the wrong direction after leaving his own apartment door, and paused outside the bedroom window behind where the McCann children normally would have been sleeping. What an odd thing to do, at that time...

Payne goes to the tapas bar, only for Gerry McCann to leave at around 9.05pm, after Payne apparently told him that he had been listening outside the childrens bedroom window. Gerry was not happy about being told this, and rushed off back to apartment 5A. Did Payne intimate to Gerry that he knew what might have been happening, through listening through the thin wall between thier respective apartments?  Earlier that same evening Payne had been listening with his ear against the wall at the childrens bath time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 08:33:PM
Later on, at about 9.30pm, Payne left the tapas bar with another male member, bound for apartment 5A on the pretense of checking on the McCann children. By this stage, the body of Maddie had been displaced from the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, to behind the sofa in the lounge. When both David Payne and the other arrived outside apartment 5A, Payne waited outside in the garden of apartment 5A, below the patio...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 08:43:PM
I do not profess to know, exactly when, or by whom, Maddies body got transferred from behind the sofa into the shrubbery of the garden outside, but soon after David Payne arrived there, he was scurry away up to his apartment carrying the body along with him. When the other returned to the tapas bar, he told the McCanns and the others, that David Payne had remained back at his apartment because his own daughter had been unwell with food poisoning - this was a coded message to let Jerry McCann know that Maddies body had been removed from the apartment, altogether...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2014, 08:47:PM
I do not profess to know, exactly when, or by whom, Maddies body got transferred from behind the sofa into the shrubbery of the garden outside, but soon after David Payne arrived there, he was scurry away up to his apartment carrying the body along with him. When the other returned to the tapas bar, he told the McCanns and the others, that David Payne had remained back at his apartment because his own daughter had been unwell with food poisoning - this was a coded message to let Jerry McCann know that Maddies body had been removed from the apartment, altogether...

Within 10 minutes of one of the good samaritons returning to the tapas bar, from checking on her children,  Kate left to go and check the apartment herself at around 10pm, and raised the alarm that "they have taken her, they have taken her, Maddy is gone"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 27, 2014, 09:41:PM
 The term " they " covered the fact that it could have been a he or a she,or both and was just a figure of speech. Kate didn't specifically know it was a " they".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on November 28, 2014, 12:58:AM
Mike,it was Russell and Matt that left the tapas at 9.30pm with Matt allegedly checking the McCann children. And it was Russell that stayed at his apartment as his daughter was sick. As far as I'm aware,Payne did not leave the table that night. Well,not until Kate came running to say Maddie had gone anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on November 28, 2014, 01:00:AM
Mike,it was Russell and Matt that left the tapas at 9.30pm with Matt allegedly checking the McCann children. And it was Russell that stayed at his apartment as his daughter was sick. As far as I'm aware,Payne did not leave the table that night. Well,not until Kate came running to say Maddie had gone anyway.

That is right Tyler. The Paynes had a baby monitor if memory serves me right.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:09:AM
Mike,it was Russell and Matt that left the tapas at 9.30pm with Matt allegedly checking the McCann children. And it was Russell that stayed at his apartment as his daughter was sick. As far as I'm aware,Payne did not leave the table that night. Well,not until Kate came running to say Maddie had gone anyway.

Thank you for reminding me about what the official version of events has been put forward,  but  my understanding is that David Payne did not stay at the tapas bar all evening until Kate raised the alarm. The information I have received is that a monitoring device was used by David Payne to monitor apartment 5A, and that he did not listen outside the bedroom window behind which the McCann children normally slept, he in fact used a monitoring device to listen in to the activities ongoing  there on previous occasions and at that time. Payne had been snooping by use of a monitoring device on the McCann family, and was fully aware of any disturbances which took place inside apartment 5A. It is understood that David Payne alerted Gerry McCann upon his arrival at the tapas bar that there was some disturbance at apartment 5A at the time Payne left his own apartment, and that Payne thought one or other of the parents had still been inside, which caused McCann to return to thier apartment straight away...


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:17:AM
David Payne was aware that Maddie had complained to Kate on the evening of her disappearence, about why her parents hadn't returned to the apartment on the previous night when the children had been crying? He found this out either being told by Kate, or listening in by way of the monitoring device he was using to snoop on them...

The fact that Maddie had raised the alarm to Kate about the previous evening, was the catalyst for why Maddie had to go missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:22:AM
Police may have inadvertently photographed the monitoring device inside apartment 5A, if some sort of an arrangement had been made to lend it from David Payne as a result of Maddie waking up crying on the previous night when the McCann parents were out wining and dining...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:26:AM
David Payne was aware of everything that happened inside apartment 5A, because he was close to the McCanns and thier children, he was always popping in and out of thier apartment, and he would have known that they had left the patio doors on the poolside of the building, unlocked, on the evening of her disappearence...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:29:AM
The reason why Maddie had been crying on the previous evening, may have been the real reason why Maddie went missing, or had to go missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:46:AM
The events which took place on the evening prior to the disappearence of Maddie, is the key to solving the mystery of her demise. Something shocking and terrible had happened to Maddie during that previous evening, whilst both her parents were blind drunk at the tapas bar. Whatever these shocking and terrible things were, could not be made public knowlege, or whoever had been responsible was done for - so, Maddie had to be got rid of...

I cannot see how Gerry McCann does not know what truly happened to his daughter on the two consecutive occasions I have been speaking about. He cannot have seen Maddie a sleep in bed during his check that he made when leaving the tapas bar at around 9.05pm, because if the cadaver and blood hound evidence has any truth to it, Maddies body must have been inside the wardrobe in the parents bedroom by that stage, subsequently moved into the lounge behind the sofa, and then displaced into the shrubbery of the garden below the patio with its unlocked patio doors. Similarly, when the check was made at around 9.30pm by the two good Samaritons, Maddie could not have still been a sleep in her bed, since why would any would be speculative intruder move her body into the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, then move her body into the lounge behind the sofa, and then displace the body into the shrubbery of the garden on the poolside of the building?

There simply would not have been sufficient time nor reason for any would be speculative abductor to move the dead bidy of achild inbeteeen all these different hiding pkaces in and outside apartment 5A, it has to be an inside job...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:53:AM
The only alternative I can see to any of this being true, is that the cadver and blood hound evidence is all wrong...

Which, I do not think is wrong...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on November 28, 2014, 07:21:AM
Really :o
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 02:29:PM
Really :o

Reaction of Cadaver and blood hound dogs was naturally obtained, I can't see how police dogs can be accused of manufacturing evidence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 04:35:PM
The way I see it, Maddies body wZ in the wardrobe, behind the sofa, abd amongst tbe shrubbery in the poolside garden, and I don't doubt the evidence of the Cadaver abd blood hound evidence - I ask myself whether or not a speculative abducter would take the time and trouble to conceal the body of a dead child, in each of these three different locations in and around apartment 5A?

In my book, it is much more likely that the family, or close friends, might adopt this approach trying to conceal what had taken place, with a view to removing the body from the apartment, altogether...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2014, 06:00:PM
I am convinced that the cadaver and blood  hound evidenve is true and accurate, and that at one time or another, the body of Maddie was concealed in tge wardfobe of the parents bedroom, then in behind the sofa in the lounfe, and ultimately hidden amongst the shrubbery of the poolside garden...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on November 28, 2014, 06:57:PM
DP certainly needs closer scrutiny imo,due to his and Kate's differing version of events relating to that early evening visit to 5a,the Gasper statements and the suspicion from the child protection lady.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on November 28, 2014, 07:38:PM
It's not that I don't believe the dogs it just seems a bit like pass the parcel to me. For me it's a bit simpler what happened that's all.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2014, 09:08:AM
I am convinced that the cadaver and blood  hound evidenve is true and accurate, and that at one time or another, the body of Maddie was concealed in tge wardfobe of the parents bedroom, then in behind the sofa in the lounfe, and ultimately hidden amongst the shrubbery of the poolside garden...





Mike,yes,cadaver dogs do detect what they are trained for,and are pretty accurate,but-------------what they can't do is tell you whose body they've detected.

Not forgetting that two more families moved into 5a pretty soon after the McCanns vacated it to move to another apartment. It was during this time that blood had been found,but it didn't necessarily mean that it was from the McCanns'.

There was also a bloodied shoe print inside the hire car,which was left behind by the PJ who drove the car to the compound where it was then tested. Do we have the previous user of the hire car ? I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2014, 06:51:PM




Mike,yes,cadaver dogs do detect what they are trained for,and are pretty accurate,but-------------what they can't do is tell you whose body they've detected.

Not forgetting that two more families moved into 5a pretty soon after the McCanns vacated it to move to another apartment. It was during this time that blood had been found,but it didn't necessarily mean that it was from the McCanns'.

There was also a bloodied shoe print inside the hire car,which was left behind by the PJ who drove the car to the compound where it was then tested. Do we have the previous user of the hire car ? I very much doubt it.

Hi Lookout,

The way I see it, is that it would be too coincidental that another body was hidden in the same wardrobe, behind the same sofa, and amongst the shrubbery, on another occasion involving different people, and a totally different victim - it would mean something far more significant if Maddie disappeared from apartment 5A, and somebodyelse was killed there, and thier body concealed in the three aforementioned hiding places...

Considering that the apartment was the place where Maddie vanished from, and it being the focal point of police interest, I doubt that another killing took place at the same apartment, afterwards...

On the other hand, if such a killing had taken place there before Maddies disappearance, now that would be an extraordinary councidence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on November 29, 2014, 06:55:PM
DP certainly needs closer scrutiny imo,due to his and Kate's differing version of events relating to that early evening visit to 5a,the Gasper statements and the suspicion from the child protection lady.

I agree.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 11:25:AM
Cadaver dog and blood hound evidence is too significant to ignore, despite possible complications...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 11:30:AM
I have been around animals most of my life, and when you have you come to realise that an animals instincts, are always accurate, they can sense things, they are sensitive to mood changes of people in their environment, and loads of other things which we mere mortals have no understanding of - sense of smell to dogs is phenomenal...

Cadaver dog and blood hound evidence, is therefore good and accurate, as far as I am concerned...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 30, 2014, 11:45:AM
Mike,yes,cadaver dogs do detect what they are trained for,and are pretty accurate,but-------------what they can't do is tell you whose body they've detected.

Are you suggesting that another person's corpse has been at some point stored in 5A prior to the cadaver dog's indications? 

There was also a bloodied shoe print inside the hire car,which was left behind by the PJ who drove the car to the compound where it was then tested. Do we have the previous user of the hire car ? I very much doubt it.

Are you implying that the PJ either deliberately or accidentally contaminated the hire car?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 12:18:PM
Lets deal with the matter of the cadaver dog and blood hound evidence, as though it was true prior to Maddie vanishing off the face of the earth by 10pm, when Kate McCann alerts everyone to the taking of her daughter. Who else would have gone to the trouble of concealing Maddies body in  the parents bedroom, moving it to behind the sofa in the lounge, then outside amongst the shrubs of the poolside garden...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 01:14:PM
On the other hand, if the Cadaver dog, and the blood hound evidence is post Maddies demise, then I cannot understand why her body would be brought back to apartment 5A and concealed in the wardrobe of the parents bedroom, behind the sofa of the lounge, and amongst the garden shrubs? 

Added to this, is the dogs reaction to the hire car, used by the McCanns after Maddie vanished...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 30, 2014, 01:25:PM
Mike,yes,cadaver dogs do detect what they are trained for,and are pretty accurate,but-------------what they can't do is tell you whose body they've detected.

Are you suggesting that another person's corpse has been at some point stored in 5A prior to the cadaver dog's indications? 

On the other hand, if the Cadaver dog evidence is post Maddies demise, then I cannot understand why her body would be brought back to apartment 5A and concealed in the wardrobe of the parents bedroom, behind the sofa of the lounge, and amongst the garden shrubs? 

This is what I'm trying to say.  Even if it could be explained away regarding blood indications, for whatever reason, how likely is it that another cadaver other than that of Madeleine was present in the apartment on a separate occasion? 

Is it purely coincidence that one of the cadaver indications is behind the sofa, next to the window?  This is the very same window supposedly used by an abductor?  The abduction scenario that stems from the McCann parents.  They are the source.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 30, 2014, 01:32:PM
Are you suggesting that another person's corpse has been at some point stored in 5A prior to the cadaver dog's indications? 

Are you implying that the PJ either deliberately or accidentally contaminated the hire car?




Not necessarily another persons' corpse,Roch,but the scent left behind from someone,which could have been on the shoe or clothing such as the PJ who trod blood into the hire car which was on the sole/heel of his shoe. The officer could have come from a mortuary,we don't know,or even trod in animal blood,but one thing is not to jump to conclusions in this case.

Kate had attended 6 deaths before she went on holiday and no matter how much you bathe and shower,wash garments,etc,a cadaver dog can sniff out the smell days later. Kates' bible had the smell because she'd probably/obviously handled it when her patients died.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 30, 2014, 01:56:PM



Not necessarily another persons' corpse,Roch,but the scent left behind from someone,which could have been on the shoe or clothing such as the PJ who trod blood into the hire car which was on the sole/heel of his shoe. The officer could have come from a mortuary,we don't know,or even trod in animal blood,but one thing is not to jump to conclusions in this case.

Kate had attended 6 deaths before she went on holiday and no matter how much you bathe and shower,wash garments,etc,a cadaver dog can sniff out the smell days later. Kates' bible had the smell because she'd probably/obviously handled it when her patients died.

The thing is Lookout, even if Kate had attended six deaths, or even if a PJ SOC had trod in a dead person's blood or on a corpse, how would that explain the specific locations for cadaver scent in the apartment?   Do you think it is purely coincidence that there is a cadaver indication behind the sofa, between sofa and window?  The McCann parents are the source of an abduction scenario, involving the same window.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2014, 02:12:PM
those dogs sense of smell is so good they can pick up the scent of blood that has been there for ages.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 30, 2014, 02:19:PM
The thing is Lookout, even if Kate had attended six deaths, or even if a PJ SOC had trod in a dead person's blood or on a corpse, how would that explain the specific locations for cadaver scent in the apartment?   Do you think it is purely coincidence that there is a cadaver indication behind the sofa, between sofa and window?  The McCann parents are the source of an abduction scenario, involving the same window.




Roch,I'm of the belief that neither Gerry nor Kate had any part whatsoever in the disappearance of Madeleine.
The scent which was detected might not have had anything to do with cadavers. It may well have been a source of anything to do with bodily fluids from either animal or human carried in via footwear or even distributed in some way from a human. A dog,whether cadaver trained or not will pick up a scent of where something or someone has been.
Even in dogs who are " trained " to detect cancer,is in someway a myth,as ALL dogs can sniff out a sore on a person,or even a scent which to them isn't of the norm when they persist in sniffing. An example was when a dog my daughter had, insisted sniffing an area on my body until I was diagnosed,and sure enough,it was an ulcerated area which needed attention and two years ago,the area was lanced and the offending " thing " was sent for testing,which gladly resulted in it being benign,but nevertheless,it could well have turned out a lot differently and only because of the dogs' persistence in " greeting " me this way was I able to breathe easy.
What I'm saying is that because of this particular incident,I could have convinced myself that it was cancer,all because the dog seemed intent on sniffing. The same as the result of the cadaver dogs' response in thinking it was a cadaver scent. See what I mean ? It can be misconstrued so easily.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 30, 2014, 02:22:PM
If you were to drag a body along a floor,then remove it,ANY dog would " show interest " in the scent and automatically follow it. It's what dogs do. Even a cut finger will arouse interest in a family pet.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 05:44:PM
My pet dog Misty, has a habit of sniffing and licking the front part of my head, and the outside edges of my feet, which are locations in my body, where (a) I have a brain tumour, and (b) numbness in my little toes, due to diabetic condition...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 30, 2014, 06:03:PM
 Mike,a pet can smell a wound a mile off,and they're pretty accurate at knowing where " you hurt ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 08:21:PM
I don't doubt that scents and smells can be carried upon footwear from one place to another, but in the instant case, I am not convinced that the three locations at the scene were as a result of this having occurred here. I believe, the wardrobe, the sofa and the garden designated sites, formed part of a plan to conceal Maddie, before her body was taken from the apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 08:37:PM
I don't doubt that scents and smells can be carried upon footwear from one place to another, but in the instant case, I am not convinced that the three locations at the scene were as a result of this having occurred here. I believe, the wardrobe, the sofa and the garden designated sites, formed part of a plan to conceal Maddie, before her body was taken from the apartment...

Displacement of the body from one place to another inside and outside apartment 5A, took place over a period of time, I do not think that these movements were carried out by the same person in one visit to the apartment. The displacement of the body occurred over more than one visit to the scene, and based upon the official explanation given by the parents and other members of the group who took it in turns to check apartment 5A on the evening of Maddies demise, it suggests that her disappearance involved the co-operation of a number of persons belonging to the group...

David Payne
Gerry McCann
Jane Tanner
Russell O'brien
Mathew Oldfield
Kate McCann

One or more of these persons know the truth behind why Maddie is gone...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 30, 2014, 08:56:PM
 Do we know of the clients who were in 5a before the McCanns moved in,Mike ?
I ask because a scent such as a cadaver to a " trained animal " will linger for months,no matter how many times it's been cleaned,such as I mentioned about Kates' clothes,her having attended the deceased before they came away on holiday. 6 deceased persons is quite a number,and I would gather that Kate wore different clothing each time,and quite possibly took those same clothes with her,as even when washed,would still " contaminate " and transfer scents to suitcases,etc,which can only be detected by the nose of a dog.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2014, 11:28:PM
Everything points to Maddie having died and her body having been concealed in various locations inside and outside apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 01, 2014, 03:05:AM
KM 'allegedly' being present at six deaths prior to the holiday,was,IIRC something that came from Clarence Mitchell. I don't think it is anywhere in the files?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 06:37:AM
The Cadver dog and blood hound also reacted at the other villa where the McCanns moved to, and the hire car they used later on...

This convinced Amaral that Maddie had died in apartment 5A, and that her body had been hidden, moved from place to place, and that various group members were in on the cover up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 09:11:AM
I personally do not think that the McCanns moved Maddies body by use of the hire vehicle, or that they took her body to the villa where they were relocated after Maddie went missing - I still think Maddies remains are buried in the grounds of the derelict building across the street from the church in PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 10:52:AM
Dog signalling inside and outside apartment 5A, added to dog signals in hire car, and villa, cannot be put down as mere coincedences...

There is no smoke without a fire..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 11:39:AM
I think the odours picked up in the hire car, and the villa, were as a result of contamination, from clorhing, footwear and equipment placed in the boot of the hire vehicle, and vllla, possibly contaminated items used in the disposal process..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 01, 2014, 12:31:PM
 The whole thing was contaminated from day one Mike,because for 1),the area of the apartment wasn't immediately cordoned off,and 2),officers and members of the public were allowed to traipse in,without question. What use was that ? No protective clothing worn by the police. Sound familiar ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 02:43:PM
Police in Portugal are set to carry out new searches at the apartment blocks in PDL...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 02:55:PM
Police in Portugal are set to carry out new searches at the apartment blocks in PDL...

It is understood that space beneath ground floor apartments were previiously overlooked, as were roof spaces...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 01, 2014, 03:08:PM
 I remember there was talk about looking in the floor space during when the child went missing,but was obviously never explored. It should have been done when the dogs were there if they were allegedly driven to a scent in the apartment. You'd have thought so anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 03:29:PM
Maintenance hatches which give access to under floor spaces beneath ground floor apartments are to be opened up beneath block 5...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 04:48:PM
It is not yet known if each ground floor apartment, had its own access to the floor space below via thier own service hatch, or if there is a solitary communal one, per block...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2014, 07:14:PM
Kate told a member of the so called tapas seven group,  that Madeliene had questioned why mummy didn't come on the previous night when she had been crying for her - fatal mistake, Maddie had to be silenced...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on December 01, 2014, 07:47:PM
Mike thats not true and its a cruel thing to say, if I can be honest with you.

No one knows for sure what happened to that poor wee lass.  It is so unfair to make false accusations without the proper evidence to back those claims up.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 07:40:AM
Mike thats not true and its a cruel thing to say, if I can be honest with you.

No one knows for sure what happened to that poor wee lass.  It is so unfair to make false accusations without the proper evidence to back those claims up.  :-\

Hello luv,

the fact is that Kate knew about how upset Maddie had been on the previous night because Maddie complained to her about it. She supposedly asked Kate, "Mummy, why didn't you come last night when I was crying". So, it's odds on that Kate mentioned something to somebody in the group afterwards. My concern is that the relaying of this news to other members of the group, might actually have placed little Maddie in danger. It's obvious that Kate didn't see it like that, nor Gerry, because they both went out on thier jollies, leaving the patio door unlocked, caring very little about what may have been so terrifying as to make a little girl crying for her mummy in the middle of the previous night, with  neither parent present or anywhere near in sight. If anyone was cruel to that little girl, it was her parents. This is not just a case of the parents going out and leaving thier children, "home alone", whilst the parents wined and dined in a nearby tapas restuarant, since it was known by the parents that one of thier children had  een terrified and crying for the mother in the middle of the night, getting no response, and the parents going out again on the following night, but more significantly leaving the patio doors unlocked - now if that wasn't cruel what more can I say? The way I see it, these things were known about or done in the knowlege of both parents, and factual. As such, it is evidence tbat can be taken into account...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 07:56:AM
Had the parents left the patio doors unlocked, on the previous evening when Maddie had been so upset?

To my way of thinking, Mad's crying in the night and no-one coming to see what the matter was, and the deliberate leaving of the unkocked patio doors, Maddie complaining to Kate about it, are all important factors leading up to Maddies demise...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 08:24:AM
And, if all that isn't enough to raise cause for concern, bear in mind that two younger and smaller children were also sleeping and vunerable, in the same bedroom. You do not ignore your daughter complaining to you as to why nobody came to comfort her during the previous night, without taking measures to ensure that it can never happen again. You do not in those circumstances leave the patio doors unlocked with three young children a sleep inside, unsupervised - so the question I pose is this, who baby sat the children, whilst the parents went out to wine and dine?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 02, 2014, 10:54:AM
 Mike,Kate has to live with this huge mistake of theirs for the rest of her life,and I'm sure that if it hadn't been for the fact that she had the twins,she'd have surely committed suicide. I'm almost certain of that.
What a burden to have to live with,that because of your pleasure,a child was taken never to be seen again. A child who was born, using the IVF process,thus making her more precious.
I challenge anyone who think that they can live a normal life after this,as it's punishment enough,so the McCanns don't need to be vilified any more than they have been.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 02, 2014, 11:05:AM
Lookout, did you watch the Richard D Hall videos I uploaded.  It might be worth watching them even though they would challenge your views.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 11:51:AM
I am as certain as I can be that the official versions given by the parents and thier friends is hogwash...

Nobody goes out for the night and leaves two babies and a small child in an unlocked apartment. The unlocked patio door suggests to me that the McCanns only agreed to go out that night because a baby sitting arrangement had been organised. I believe I am correct in saying that these arrangements were made through David Payne, and involved a couple who he introduced to the McCanns. I believe the couple who were known to David Payne, were both British Nationals.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 12:11:PM
On the evening of Maddies disappearence, the parents and friends did not return and carry out regular checks on the McCann children at apartment 5A, since any checks  which  were made there were done with a view to checking on the babysitters...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 12:39:PM
On the evening of Maddies disappearence, the parents and friends did not return and carry out regular checks on the McCann children at apartment 5A, since any checks  which  were made there were done with a view to checking on the babysitters...

The big secret that is being withheld by the parents and thier friends, concerns the babysitting couple used on the night of Maddies demise. This was why at 10pm when Kate went to apartment 5A to check on the babysitters only to find the roadside door fully open with no sign of the babysitters inside, and Maddie also missing, that Kate ran back to the tapas bar shouting out that "they had taken her, they had taken her, Maddie is gone". Her reference to "they have taken her", being reference to the British speaking couple who had been babysitting...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 12:59:PM
Something happened to Maddie whilst in the care of the British speaking couple who were babysitting and had fled the apartment (5A)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 01:09:PM
Something happened to Maddie whilst in the care of the British speaking couple who were babysitting and had fled the apartment (5A)...
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David Payne knows the true identity of this couple...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 02, 2014, 01:36:PM
The big secret that is being withheld by the parents and thier friends, concerns the babysitting couple used on the night of Maddies demise. This was why at 10pm when Kate went to apartment 5A to check on the babysitters only to find the roadside door fully open with no sign of the babysitters inside, and Maddie also missing, that Kate ran back to the tapas bar shouting out that "they had taken her, they had taken her, Maddie is gone". Her reference to "they have taken her", being reference to the British speaking couple who had been babysitting...

Something happened to Maddie whilst in the care of the British speaking couple who were babysitting and had fled the apartment (5A)...

David Payne knows the true identity of this couple...

Mike, what are you relying on to back up this theory?  Your previous theory was that Madeleine had ingested recreational drugs in a tragic accident.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on December 02, 2014, 02:41:PM
The babysitting theory would make sense and would explain as you say "They've taken her" and also why the shutters weren't raised and there was no crime scene to talk of either a burglary or kidnapping gone wrong (or right if it was a kidnapping), if she was kidnapped, Maddie had to be alive-who'd steal a dead little girl?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 03:52:PM
Hi Roch,

It's still possible for recreational drugs to  have been administered in either scenario...

I have good reasons for believing what I do - for a start police are trying to identify the couple in question as a result of mobile phone records which place them at the scene, and lunked thier phones to Gerry McCann and David Paynes mobile phones at the material time..

You will be hearing about this in the news in the  coming weeks...

After Maddie went missing David Payne has been in contact with one or othet of the couple, and SY are due to interview him s
regarding these matters...

Watch this space...




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 02, 2014, 05:03:PM
 Mike,the twins were tested for drugs,but none were found,so that would mean the same for madeleine,as it was, because her hair tested negative for any substance. So drugs can be ruled out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 02, 2014, 05:04:PM
Lookout, did you watch the Richard D Hall videos I uploaded.  It might be worth watching them even though they would challenge your views.




No,Roch,I haven't seen them,but will have a go. Thanks.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 02, 2014, 05:25:PM
I've just skimmed the Pat Brown theory,and I must admit,I don't believe a word that comes from that woman. I remember reading quite a lot of her articles back in 2007 and her writings immediately had my heckles rising. The most neurotic of writers I've ever come across and she's totally wrong about the McCann case.
If Richard Hall is from the " same stable ",then I flatly refuse to be drawn into something which I know in my mind to be supposition and more neuroses on cobbled-up theories about the McCanns.

Not your fault,Roch,but I've been a staunch supporter of the family,not because of who they are,as this can happen to anyone,but when a case is re-opened it means that someone wants to get to the truth and because they crave the truth,they wish to be kept in the public eye as I would,as Jeremy is trying to do.
My take is that had there ever been any jiggery-pokery,they'd have hoped that the matter got buried ( sorry ) never to be heard of again.

For instance,Rolf Harris dropped his latest appeal ? Because he knew he was guilty,so therefore wouldn't persue it. It's as simple as that. Nobody wants,nor wishes to be reminded of their crime.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 08:46:PM
Mike,the twins were tested for drugs,but none were found,so that would mean the same for madeleine,as it was, because her hair tested negative for any substance. So drugs can be ruled out.

Hi Lookout,

any of Maddies hair used in such tests would have not had sufficient time to shows the signs of drug abuse if the day of her disappearence was the only occasion that recreational drugs or similar had been used to subdue her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 02, 2014, 08:55:PM
Hi Lookout,

any of Maddies hair used in such tests would have not had sufficient time to shows the signs of drug abuse if the day of her disappearence was the only occasion that recreational drugs or similar had been used to subdue her...




Hair on her pillow Mike ? Hairbrush,before she was put to bed ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 09:19:PM



Hair on her pillow Mike ? Hairbrush,before she was put to bed ?

Yes, I understand, but there would be no evidence of drugs administered that day, or night, in her hair from the pillow...

To get a result at such short notice would I think be nigh on impossible...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2014, 09:24:PM
Anyway, at least SY are now aware of the British Couple, and are actively trying to identify them. The sooner David Payne is re-interviewed about his connections with the couple, the better...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 02, 2014, 09:33:PM
Yes, I understand, but there would be no evidence of drugs administered that day, or night, in her hair from the pillow...

To get a result at such short notice would I think be nigh on impossible...





Mike,you'd be surprised what a strand of hair could tell you,honestly. It could virtually tell you what medication you take,providing the root's there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 03, 2014, 01:18:AM
Hi Lookout. I had been under the impression that you had researched this case fairly deeply? No hair of Madeleine's was found on her hairbrush nor her pillow. Gerry had to return to England in order to collect something of Madeleine's to hand over a hair sample.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2014, 04:40:AM




Mike,you'd be surprised what a strand of hair could tell you,honestly. It could virtually tell you what medication you take,providing the root's there.

I have no doubt that what you are saying is true, however, lets for arguments sake say that after 5pm on that last day of Maddies known whereabouts, somebody administered drugs to her, or as the case may be, she accidentally swallowed recreational drugs, I cannot see how any trace of these drugs being detectible in the roots of any of her hair in the few hours which elapsed until the alarm was raised  by Kate at around 10pm, that a couple "had taken" Maddie...

Any hair which might have been found could have fallen from her head, or been brushed from her head, prior to any drugs being administered, or taken. How does anyone know when a particular hair from a childs head fell from the childs head, or was brushed off? I should think you would need the body of the child and to remove hairs from the head whilst the hair in question is still rooted insitu, to be able to even start arguing a case for or against the victim having been drugged at all. And in that case, toxicology tests on the childs blood would determing a presence of drugs in the victims blood, if drugs was a determining factor in the death. Since, we have had no body to examine or investigate in this case, it must still be a possibility that Maddie could have been under the influence of drugs at the time she vanished, or died, or whatever...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2014, 05:02:AM
I believe that when Kate went back to apartment 5A at around 10pm to check on the couple who were baby sitting, that the roadside door was wide open, and the poolside patio door was also unlocked. If Kate entered 5A via the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment, and because the roadside door was wide open, it would have created a vacuum which slammed the roadside door shut, or as the case may be, any other door in the path of the vacuum. I do not believe the bedroom window was open, and I do not believe the steel shutter of that bedroom window had been forced open by any cat burglar, of gang of drug crazy burglars...

I believe Kate opened the curtains, and the sliding bedroom window, and that she released the window shutter and raised it up after discovering the couple were no longer there, and there was no sign of Maddie...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2014, 05:12:AM
Not only do I believe there were a couple involved at the scene that evening, I also strongly suspect that the crime scene was stage managed before the alarm was raised by any of the group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 03, 2014, 11:24:AM
The babysitting theory would make sense and would explain as you say "They've taken her" and also why the shutters weren't raised and there was no crime scene to talk of either a burglary or kidnapping gone wrong (or right if it was a kidnapping), if she was kidnapped, Maddie had to be alive-who'd steal a dead little girl?

Interesting Jo.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 03, 2014, 11:43:AM
I've just skimmed the Pat Brown theory,and I must admit,I don't believe a word that comes from that woman. I remember reading quite a lot of her articles back in 2007 and her writings immediately had my heckles rising. The most neurotic of writers I've ever come across and she's totally wrong about the McCann case.
If Richard Hall is from the " same stable ", then I flatly refuse to be drawn into something which I know in my mind to be supposition and more neuroses on cobbled-up theories about the McCanns.

Not your fault,Roch,but I've been a staunch supporter of the family,not because of who they are,as this can happen to anyone,but when a case is re-opened it means that someone wants to get to the truth and because they crave the truth,they wish to be kept in the public eye as I would,as Jeremy is trying to do.
My take is that had there ever been any jiggery-pokery,they'd have hoped that the matter got buried ( sorry ) never to be heard of again.

For instance,Rolf Harris dropped his latest appeal ? Because he knew he was guilty,so therefore wouldn't persue it. It's as simple as that. Nobody wants,nor wishes to be reminded of their crime.

Hi Lookout,

I apologise.  You should only watch the videos if you want to.  I'm not sure what stable he is from, though I suspect he has links to the alternative media circles that are growing in influence due to the power of the internet.  Some of his opinions and research are likely to be controversial, though not necessarily regarding the McCann case. His films cite that the mainstream media have buried much of the true story of the case and instead regurgitate falsehoods relating to the 'official line'. One of the films deals with assistance given by UK authorities directly/indirectly and it is an eye opener.  What Clarence Mitchell was doing there at all or at such an early stage is a mystery.  He was a top level government spin doctor.  He replaced the original diplomat on the scene after she expressed concerns that the parents may have been involved and that the UK could damage its' relations with the Portugese authorities if it persisted in acting to the contrary.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 03, 2014, 12:28:PM
My take is that had there ever been any jiggery-pokery,they'd have hoped that the matter got buried ( sorry ) never to be heard of again.

For instance,Rolf Harris dropped his latest appeal ? Because he knew he was guilty,so therefore wouldn't persue it. It's as simple as that. Nobody wants,nor wishes to be reminded of their crime.

My take on this Lookout.  The McCann's know that any amount of enquiries are going to come to nothing.  The McCann's received an enormous amount of assistance from elements linked to UK authorities.  The reasons for this assistance are murky.  But there is an official line to be peddled in accordance with that assistance, via the mainstream media.  What we are witnessing is an illusion. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 03, 2014, 04:27:PM
My take on this Lookout.  The McCann's know that any amount of enquiries are going to come to nothing.  The McCann's received an enormous amount of assistance from elements linked to UK authorities.  The reasons for this assistance are murky.  But there is an official line to be peddled in accordance with that assistance, via the mainstream media.  What we are witnessing is an illusion.




Hi Roch,I think that because of the positions of both the McCanns has got to have made a big difference overall,I admit. For if it had been an ordinary " Joe Bloggs " and wife,it wouldn't have reached the proportions that it has done,in investigating the childs' disappearance.
That said,their persistence has also paid off,as a missing child can easily be " written off " perhaps,until years later.
In all honesty,if it was me in their situation,I'd be banging the drum too if only to prove to the world that I had no involvement whatsoever,besides fighting to get my child back as well of course.
Beyond leaving the parents out of the equation,I don't know what to think,except that the case wasn't followed up as thoroughly as it should have been. There was never a " golden hour " put to the test.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 03, 2014, 04:32:PM
Hi Lookout. I had been under the impression that you had researched this case fairly deeply? No hair of Madeleine's was found on her hairbrush nor her pillow. Gerry had to return to England in order to collect something of Madeleine's to hand over a hair sample.




Ah yes,tyler,I seem to remember that happening now. Thanks for the reminder. I knew there was something about a hair.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on December 03, 2014, 06:41:PM
I think i am going back to the beginning of this case.  When I went to bed last night I was thinking about the lights.

I know the children's bedroom light was off and they state they pulled the door at 45 degrees.

Its the light...it bothers me and for the life of me I cannot remember if the living room light was on.

If it was on then why would a burglar attempt to go inside the apartment?

Could it be that whoever entered the apartment was watching and knew the McCann's had gone to dinner. Had this been observed over the past few evenings?  If so where from? Inside the complex? Outside the complex? From a building close by? This is based on the abduction theory of course.

The alternative theory is that the parents had something to do with MM being missing.

MM was last seen at 4:45/5pm

GM had a solid alibi he was playing tennis till 6:30/7pm

GM had asked DP to check on KM and the children as they had not come down to the plat area.

DP said KM had just come out of the shower and reported back to GM that all was OK and the children were tired.

GM then went back to the apartment and he tucked his children in bed. I think the twins were already asleep.

7:45 they have a glass of wine in the apartment before leaving for dinner.

The last person to see MM was her father at 21:00/21:15

10pm the Smiths report a man carrying a child similar to MM.  We do not hear the police pushing this like they did with the Tanner sighting, which we now know to be a holiday maker picking his child up from creche, but he was walking the wrong way if he had...How can that be?

Something is not right. Its the lights.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 03, 2014, 08:20:PM
Patti,the lamp was on in the living room. SY are indeed interested in the Smith sighting. The man the Smith's saw was the focus of the Crimewatch programme.

Aww thanks for that Tyler and yes they did....Do you know if they have interviewed Mr Smith and his family again.?

Do you think anyone would burglar a place that has a light on?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on December 03, 2014, 08:28:PM
Sorry Tyler please see above I pressed modify instead of quote  :-[
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on December 03, 2014, 10:59:PM
I think i am going back to the beginning of this case.  When I went to bed last night I was thinking about the lights.

I know the children's bedroom light was off and they state they pulled the door at 45 degrees.

Its the light...it bothers me and for the life of me I cannot remember if the living room light was on.

If it was on then why would a burglar attempt to go inside the apartment?

Could it be that whoever entered the apartment was watching and knew the McCann's had gone to dinner. Had this been observed over the past few evenings?  If so where from? Inside the complex? Outside the complex? From a building close by? This is based on the abduction theory of course.

The alternative theory is that the parents had something to do with MM being missing.

MM was last seen at 4:45/5pm

GM had a solid alibi he was playing tennis till 6:30/7pm

GM had asked DP to check on KM and the children as they had not come down to the plat area.

DP said KM had just come out of the shower and reported back to GM that all was OK and the children were tired.

GM then went back to the apartment and he tucked his children in bed. I think the twins were already asleep.

7:45 they have a glass of wine in the apartment before leaving for dinner.

The last person to see MM was her father at 21:00/21:15

10pm the Smiths report a man carrying a child similar to MM.  We do not hear the police pushing this like they did with the Tanner sighting, which we now know to be a holiday maker picking his child up from creche, but he was walking the wrong way if he had...How can that be?

Something is not right. Its the lights.

 I think that DP said that Kate was dressed, but Kate said she had just come out of the shower and only had a towel around her when he came to the apartment
Could be wrong, but it is easily checked (in the first video Roch posted).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on December 03, 2014, 11:35:PM
I think that DP said that Kate was dressed, but Kate said she had just come out of the shower and only had a towel around her when he came to the apartment
Could be wrong, but it is easily checked (in the first video Roch posted).

I will have to watch it Alias, but not tonight....I too think it was a towel wrapped around her.  Ta muchas.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on December 03, 2014, 11:49:PM
Is this the same guy that is trying to say that a plane never hit the twin towers? I can't find the 1st video. Shall look tomorrow.

Personally I don't think her parents had any hand in her disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2014, 07:25:AM
As reported, SY are to interview the maintenance manager of the Ocean club in the next couple of hours, regarding the under floor space beneath all ground floor apartments, including 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 04, 2014, 09:23:AM
Patti,I'm sure SY would have interviewed the Smith's again and to be honest,I don't believe in the burglar theory. Nothing was stolen apart from,obviously,a child. An allegedly deceased child. SY appear to believe the child is,sadly,dead,hence the recent digs and they have also previously stated that the child may not have left the apartment alive. Re: the parents,it should be remembered that aside from Amarals theory,which some British detectives agreed with,Leicestershire Police have previously stated that there is nothing contained in their files that eliminates the parents. Indeed,three times the Mccann's have tried to gain access to LP's files including through the High Court and have been refused. Makes you wonder what is contained in them? I think this case definately calls for an open mind.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 04, 2014, 11:11:AM
Is this the same guy that is trying to say that a plane never hit the twin towers?  I can't find the 1st video. Shall look tomorrow.

Personally I don't think her parents had any hand in her disappearance.

Hi Patti the videos begin at post 2413.  There is a pre video at post 2412: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.2400.html

Regarding the twin towers, he did a video about the '9/11 ball' which relates to one of the American news station's coverage of the second plane.  Obviously not for this thread: There are a lot of questions about the footage of the second plane aired by the American mainstream news stations positioned at the scene.  There are also questions about their role in the event that day.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alias on December 04, 2014, 02:38:PM
Hi Patti the videos begin at post 2413.  There is a pre video at post 2412: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.2400.html

Regarding the twin towers, he did a video about the '9/11 ball' which relates to one of the American news station's coverage of the second plane.  Obviously not for this thread: There are a lot of questions about the footage of the second plane aired by the American mainstream news stations positioned at the scene.  There are also questions about their role in the event that day.

Thanks Roch.

The video is actually no.2, not no.1 as I said. It is in post 2414. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.2400.html
DP interview starts at abut 09:00.

Umm, I was wrong about him saying Kate was dressed - he doesn´t remember.  :-[ But they differ on whether he came into the apartment. He says he definitely did, she says he stayed outside on the patio.

Here is a link to transcription of an interview with David Payne - he is basically saying the same, but the wording is different. How come? Which is right- the video or the transscript? The date is the same, 11-04-2008.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id251.html

In any case, I find his wording about the children very odd, "well presented", "immaculate", "clean" etc. he keeps stressing how well they all looked.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 09, 2014, 07:48:PM
Robert Murat and his wife are two of the 11 who are going to be interviewed as " witnesses ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 10, 2014, 11:19:AM
Robert Murat and his wife are two of the 11 who are going to be interviewed as " witnesses ".

How did Murat become an arguido in the first place?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 10, 2014, 01:18:PM
How did Murat become an arguido in the first place?






He told lies,Roch. Firstly,he'd said he was indoors with his mother,yet about half a dozen people recognised him being outside the 5a apartment when police had arrived there.Then he'd said he hadn't contacted Malinka for over 12 months,yet police found that they'd been contacting one another soon after Madeleines' disappearance.
He then showed an interest in the childs' disappearance by helping police,even a journo immediately cast suspicion on him and had said she had a " strange feeling about him and said he seemed creepy ".
It was just his actions in offering to help the police and stepping in as interpretor when the McCanns were being questioned.
His then girlfriend,now his wife, was doing house to house charity collections. She was once married to either the gardener or the guy who cleaned the pools. It all seemed pretty dodgy at the time.
He also flew to the UK very soon after,to visit his ex-wife and daughter who lived in Leicester. Although he had cars,he hired a car to the airport. Malinka also scooted to the UK,as did the son of an owner of a local pub.
There seemed to be a lot of movement of locals at that time,ex-pats ( British )   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 20, 2014, 11:38:PM
Ten Million of tax payers money now spent on the 'whitewash'. Why are the McCann's being protected? Imo,answer to this case lies in the following clues  - Gordon Brown,Elite paedophile ring,The Speculative Society, Dunblane cover up by Lord Cullen,The Gaspar statements,etc etc. C'mon....if your daughter went missing,would your first port of call really be the Chancellor of the Exchequer? Really?  ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on December 21, 2014, 12:18:AM
Ten Million of tax payers money now spent on the 'whitewash'. Why are the McCann's being protected? Imo,answer to this case lies in the following clues  - Gordon Brown,Elite paedophile ring,The Speculative Society, Dunblane cover up by Lord Cullen,The Gaspar statements,etc etc. C'mon....if your daughter went missing,would your first port of call really be the Chancellor of the Exchequer? Really?  ::)

Hi Tyler :)

I agree a great amount of money has been spent on the MM case. Don't get me wrong I am all for a through investigation but it lacks fairness and the this case appears to have had all the help it can get and as a mother myself I would want the same help should it have been any of my children that had gone missing.

The unfairness that to my knowledge their are currently 3 British children that have gone missing abroad.  The other two are as you know Ben Needham and Katrice Lee who went missing in Germany.

Last year a man came on the red forum claiming to be German national and what he wrote about Katrice was quite chilling.  Katrice and her parents lived in the north of England and her family were stationed in army barracks.  The mother and a friend took Katrice to the supermarket and one minute she was there and the next she had gone while her mother was at the till. 

I rang SYorkshire police and the policeman I spoke to went on the red forum while I was on the phone and he read what this man had said and he told me that there was too much information for this not to be a crank....(but maybe he was) He rang me back the next day and I gave him all the information that I had and he handed all this over to Cleveland police.  Weeks later I rang Cleveland and they could not tell me anything....I also rang crime stoppers because Katrice is featured on there website. They told me that it was nothing to do with them....

So with all that in mind it makes me wonder about the fairness to all the other children who are missing....what is being done to find them? Nothing!  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: tyler on December 21, 2014, 05:06:AM
Hi Patti (big hugs). Yes,I agree that all British missing children should be treated the same. Sadly,I don't believe that Ben was abducted. I firmly believe in one of the other theories that resulted in him dying that day. It makes the most sense to me. Concerning the case of KL,I was interested to learn that the father waited outside the store for them in the car park. Surely he would have seen if a stranger had exited the store with his own daughter?  All a bit odd to me. Obviously I have a suspicious mind lol.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on December 21, 2014, 07:50:AM
Hi Patti (big hugs). Yes,I agree that all British missing children should be treated the same. Sadly,I don't believe that Ben was abducted. I firmly believe in one of the other theories that resulted in him dying that day. It makes the most sense to me. Concerning the case of KL,I was interested to learn that the father waited outside the store for them in the car park. Surely he would have seen if a stranger had exited the store with his own daughter?  All a bit odd to me. Obviously I have a suspicious mind lol.
Hi tyler :) I agree with you, I don't believe Ben was abducted either but accept I could be wrong. I also understand your suspicion about the circumstances of. KL's disappearance.  I do however, believe Madeleine McCann was abducted.
I agree with Patti and yourself that all British children should be treated in the same way, it must be the most horrendous thing that can ever happen to a person, cannot imagine the torture and torment it must cause. Xxxx
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 21, 2014, 09:19:AM
Ten Million of tax payers money now spent on the 'whitewash'. Why are the McCann's being protected? Imo,answer to this case lies in the following clues  - Gordon Brown,Elite paedophile ring,The Speculative Society, Dunblane cover up by Lord Cullen,The Gaspar statements,etc etc. C'mon....if your daughter went missing,would your first port of call really be the Chancellor of the Exchequer? Really?  ::)

Well you've come out and said it now Tyler. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 21, 2014, 04:48:PM
 Unusual name,Gaspar,I wonder if there's any relation between the retired Detective Chief Superintendant of Scotland Yard,Roger Gaspar,who oversaw a paedophile investigation in the 80's. He lives in Essex.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 21, 2014, 07:30:PM
Unusual name,Gaspar,I wonder if there's any relation between the retired Detective Chief Superintendant of Scotland Yard,Roger Gaspar,who oversaw a paedophile investigation in the 80's. He lives in Essex.

I noticed that also.  Well spotted.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 21, 2014, 08:25:PM
I noticed that also.  Well spotted.





I bet we're " suspicious " for two different reasons though,Roch. ?  ;)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on December 29, 2014, 03:24:PM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on February 09, 2015, 10:17:AM
That was short and sweet. I joined a social media site on this topic,expressed an opinion that maybe the mccann hadn't been 100 percent truthful,hey presto, banned,oh well, I know all I need to there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2015, 04:22:PM
At long last the McCann's win their libel case against Amaral £357k

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11568725/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-awarded-357k-in-Portuguese-libel-case.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2015, 04:36:PM
i dont think this will changge that much people will belive him mind you they had to sue.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2015, 04:42:PM
i dont think this will changge that much people will belive him mind you they had to sue.

7 years on and still no inclination as to what happened to that wee lass.  Scotland Yard have gone very quiet.  What happened to the men/women that were of interest that they were interviewing.

I don't think this case will ever be solved.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on April 28, 2015, 04:58:PM
7 years on and still no inclination as to what happened to that wee lass.  Scotland Yard have gone very quiet.  What happened to the men/women that were of interest that they were interviewing.

I don't think this case will ever be solved.  :(

Patti I agree with you and same applies to little Ben Needham I felt so sorry for his poor Mother she was out there on her own searching for him :'(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 28, 2015, 05:04:PM
The McCanns have won several thousand pounds against Amaral's defamatory book.Yippee.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2015, 05:11:PM
7 years on and still no inclination as to what happened to that wee lass.  Scotland Yard have gone very quiet.  What happened to the men/women that were of interest that they were interviewing.

I don't think this case will ever be solved.  :(

i think theres been so many accusations and counter accusations its almost imposable to get to the truth.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2015, 06:22:PM
Patti I agree with you and same applies to little Ben Needham I felt so sorry for his poor Mother she was out there on her own searching for him :'(

I feel for Kerry too Susan. She has not had the help the Mcann's have had by far means.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2015, 06:23:PM
The McCanns have won several thousand pounds against Amaral's defamatory book.Yippee.

Good news isn't it Lookout....There is more of course. The court have banned the sale of his boo yet again.

On a sad note though, he can appeal.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2015, 06:26:PM
i think theres been so many accusations and counter accusations its almost imposable to get to the truth.

Its a nightmare of a case Nugs.  Amaral's lies have halted the search for Madeleine the book was finished 2 days after they closed the case. Amaral was sacked for his handling of the case and another case of a missing child before that.  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2015, 07:29:PM
i wonder weather it was a mistake to make the case so high profile.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jo on April 29, 2015, 08:22:AM
No it wasn't, they're astute people and will have understood how easy it is for people to 'forget', Katrice lee, Andrew Gosden, Lee Boxall et al-they didn't get much 'press' after a short time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 29, 2015, 09:38:AM
I think the mistake was to let the world know about her eye.  Her parents wanted the world to know so they could look for her.

I find it odd though that 6 years after the man crossing the road carrying a little girl that was witnessed by JTanner has been found.  What is more interesting is that he was walking towards the creche and not away from it, but no explanation for that has ever been given.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 29, 2015, 10:16:AM
Good news isn't it Lookout....There is more of course. The court have banned the sale of his boo yet again.

On a sad note though, he can appeal.  :(





Patti,he can appeal all he likes,it still won't get him anywhere.The man's a rogue through and through.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Patti on April 29, 2015, 10:25:AM




Patti,he can appeal all he likes,it still won't get him anywhere.The man's a rogue through and through.


That is why he was sacked in the first place. Had he got any clues? No, he chose to finish his dinner when he was told about Madeleine and did not arrive on scene till next day. His dinner was more important to him and this was his mistake at the onset imo.  :o
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on April 30, 2015, 11:24:PM
I'm starting to think she may have been taken by gypsies.. The paedophile ring investigations have led nowhere
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 26, 2015, 02:36:PM
 A long shot I know but the remains of a little girl of around 2/4 have been found inside a suitcase which had been dumped in the bush outside Adelaide Australia. Clothing which was also found was worn/manufactured in 2007.
Nobody in Australia has ever come forward reporting a missing child but at one time Madeleine had been connected to a woman or a couple whose Australian registered boat/yacht had been moored on Spain ? I think.
On the morning of the child's disappearance a sailing vessel had been reported as having left Portugal without giving its on-going location. This cock-up came as a result of the PJ's not closing the border between Portugal/Spain and also not checking shipping in and out of the nearby port.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on July 26, 2015, 03:02:PM
i think here disaperence has been to publisced i think she might of been found by now if things had been kept low key.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 26, 2015, 05:59:PM
I've been thinking that myself nugs. Sometimes it pays not to advertise the fact as it pushes people underground,or for them to act in haste to dispose of quickly.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2015, 01:09:PM
Police in Australia had already latched on to the missing Madeleine after a child's remains had been found in a suitcase. However Police in Australia have been forced to quash any speculation of a link between the body as being that of Madeleine. Although it's said it's highly unlikely,no DNA has taken place yet and no child in the district of South Australia had been reported missing,but police said it had been there for around 7 years.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 28, 2015, 01:47:PM
British police have now contacted Australian police about the remains of this child,but Aussie police are denying it could be Madeleine,even though DNA results,difficult as the remains are to test,haven't yet come to light.
Clothing and a child's quilt which were also found bear a resemblance to clothes/items originally belonging to Gypsies/Romanians IMO.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on July 30, 2015, 04:55:PM
A long shot I know but the remains of a little girl of around 2/4 have been found inside a suitcase which had been dumped in the bush outside Adelaide Australia. Clothing which was also found was worn/manufactured in 2007.
Nobody in Australia has ever come forward reporting a missing child but at one time Madeleine had been connected to a woman or a couple whose Australian registered boat/yacht had been moored on Spain ? I think.
On the morning of the child's disappearance a sailing vessel had been reported as having left Portugal without giving its on-going location. This cock-up came as a result of the PJ's not closing the border between Portugal/Spain and also not checking shipping in and out of the nearby port.

If you are going to post about the Polícia Judiciária do at least get your facts right.

European borders are never closed when a kid disappears since to do so these days would cause chaos.  The PJ did do port, airport and border checks after initial searches failed to find the missing child.  Your criticism is misplaced.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 31, 2015, 12:09:AM
Robert Murat's phone went silent from 15.45 on 2 May.  He broke silence at 23.20 on 3 May.  That's 31h 35m of phone silence.

Gerry McCann received 12 voicemail messages on 2 May, and effectively the last of these was at 15.49 (just four minutes after Murat’s phone silence commenced). 

Gerry postponed listening to this voicemail until around 20.15 on 2nd May, at which point he turned off his mobile.

He took just one incoming call at 12.24 on 3 May.  Then his mobile fell silent again until 23.14 (just prior to Murat breaking his own phone silence).

He didn't make a single outgoing call during that period.  Although he listened to voicemail, his period of silence was approximately 31h 25m.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 31, 2015, 07:29:PM
If you are going to post about the Polícia Judiciária do at least get your facts right.

European borders are never closed when a kid disappears since to do so these days would cause chaos.  The PJ did do port, airport and border checks after initial searches failed to find the missing child.  Your criticism is misplaced.






Isn't there something called the Golden Hour ? Within this time of knowing that a child had gone missing,the border out of Portugal into Spain should have been closed,along with the port.All vessels which were already in should have been checked as should vessels departing and both sets of documentation checked.
I believe an Australian registered yacht had already left port and was found to be in Barcelona where a woman was overheard asking someone if they " had the girl ". The description of the woman went out as being a " Posh " Beckham lookalike and she had an Australian accent. This lead was followed apparently but didn't amount to anything,but there was always room for suspicion in whatever came to light,especially by sea as the port was only minutes away from PDL and because documents weren't checked on the out-going yacht,it made it even more suspicious.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 02, 2015, 02:44:PM





Isn't there something called the Golden Hour ? Within this time of knowing that a child had gone missing,the border out of Portugal into Spain should have been closed,along with the port.All vessels which were already in should have been checked as should vessels departing and both sets of documentation checked.
I believe an Australian registered yacht had already left port and was found to be in Barcelona where a woman was overheard asking someone if they " had the girl ". The description of the woman went out as being a " Posh " Beckham lookalike and she had an Australian accent. This lead was followed apparently but didn't amount to anything,but there was always room for suspicion in whatever came to light,especially by sea as the port was only minutes away from PDL and because documents weren't checked on the out-going yacht,it made it even more suspicious.

Yes there is a golden hour but it was lost due to an unexplained failure to contract police immediately.  For the record, the police received the first call almost 45 minutes after the child was found to be missing at 10pm.

If you closed a border every time a kid goes missing I fear the entire country would grind to a standstill.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 17, 2015, 12:42:AM
I have a deep feeling that 'he' had something to do with Maddies disappearance:-

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on March 09, 2016, 01:23:PM
Latest news is that there's been a " sighting " in Paraguay with 4 police stations and Interpol now investigating.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on March 09, 2016, 06:17:PM
Latest news is that there's been a " sighting " in Paraguay with 4 police stations and Interpol now investigating.






Reports that Madeleine was in the custody of a Paraguayan woman have been debunked. :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on April 20, 2016, 03:30:PM
Amaral has one his appeal  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 20, 2016, 04:23:PM
Amaral has one his appeal  ;D ;D

Interesting what might happen next.  Wonder if the book will go on sale?  I read that the McCann's plan to go to a higher court after this latest ruling.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 20, 2016, 05:26:PM
Amaral has one his appeal  ;D ;D






That was a blow. Easy to say,but someone somewhere knows something.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on April 20, 2016, 06:04:PM
They do, I'd start at home.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 20, 2016, 06:39:PM
Mr Amaral's book, "The Truth of the Lie" is being reprinted right now and will go back on sale in Portugal next week.  The McCann's meanwhile have instructed their Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte to appeal this latest decision by the Lisbon Court of Appeal to the Portuguese Supreme Court.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on April 20, 2016, 06:56:PM
If it gets that far
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 20, 2016, 08:41:PM
I am as certain as I can be that Maddie is dead, and her remains are buried where I said in a shallow grave inside the grounds of the derelict building across the street from the church. Sooner or later, somebody will go there and recover her remains. The photographs I took pinpoint exactly where her remains will be found. The photograph I took in the ' pink room' of the derelict building which produced the so called 'ghost of Maddie' apparition enhances the feelings I have got about that desolate place...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2016, 08:47:PM
if your socertan why dont you go and digg it up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 24, 2016, 08:53:PM
 British " trolls " paid £50,000 to help Amaral win his libel case against the Mcanns.( Todays Mail )

No prizes for guessing who instigated that !!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 24, 2016, 08:55:PM
British " trolls " paid £50,000 to help Amaral win his libel case against the Mcanns.( Todays Mail )

No prizes for guessing who instigated that !!

I agree, sour grapes eh lookout?     
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 24, 2016, 08:57:PM
I am as certain as I can be that Maddie is dead, and her remains are buried where I said in a shallow grave inside the grounds of the derelict building across the street from the church. Sooner or later, somebody will go there and recover her remains. The photographs I took pinpoint exactly where her remains will be found. The photograph I took in the ' pink room' of the derelict building which produced the so called 'ghost of Maddie' apparition enhances the feelings I have got about that desolate place...

And you came by this astounding revelation why exactly?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 24, 2016, 08:59:PM
If it gets that far

Exactly.  The Supreme Court is concerned with interpretation of the Law, it isn't interested in petty squabbles between warring parties.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 24, 2016, 09:27:PM
I agree, sour grapes eh lookout?   






Absolutely sick,John.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Reader on April 27, 2016, 05:40:PM
. . . her remains are buried where I said in a shallow grave . . .
If her remains are found there, is there anything other than "feelings" to link Gerry, Kate or anyone they know with that property?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 29, 2016, 11:04:AM
Why,after 9 years,do British police admit that they know/knew the robbers who were involved with the disappearance of Madeleine during a bungled robbery ?
The said robber/s are now refusing questioning, after having already been questioned after the child's disappearance,as well as Portuguese police who also refuse to assist in the matter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 29, 2016, 11:21:AM
Why,after 9 years,do British police admit that they know/knew the robbers who were involved with the disappearance of Madeleine during a bungled robbery ?
The said robber/s are now refusing questioning, after having already been questioned after the child's disappearance,as well as Portuguese police who also refuse to assist in the matter.

'It's a Cop out'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 29, 2016, 11:27:AM
Me, and my dog' 'Mist', could have carried out a 'better investigation', 'free of charge'. UK cops are basically, 'Useless'...

Why don't they 'listen to what I have been saying' for the last 9 years, or so...

Mad's body was present inside that 'derelict building' opposite the church, at Pria de Luz. She was killed, hence why 'my Camera captured her image' during my visit to the 'algarve', more than half a decade, ago..

When the 'shit hits the fan', don't forget you heard the truth here on 'this' forum, before 'anywhere else', including 'Cop files'...

Why hasn't anybody 'gone to this location', and 'dug up the shallow grave', which 'I have identified', pictorially?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 29, 2016, 06:23:PM
Why,after 9 years,do British police admit that they know/knew the robbers who were involved with the disappearance of Madeleine during a bungled robbery ?
The said robber/s are now refusing questioning, after having already been questioned after the child's disappearance,as well as Portuguese police who also refuse to assist in the matter.
Hi lookout don't you think burglars usually just go for the quick pickings of money, jewellery, etc and wouldn't get involved with a kidnap? There's a good article on the background and developments on the case here:  http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth/ar-BBsqnsO
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 29, 2016, 07:21:PM
 I've just read that,Steve and it's much the same that has been reported over the years with little or no advance made regarding the investigation. I can't blame the McCanns for not giving up though. I've thought the same as Kate that Madeleine is still alive and for that reason alone I'd never give up the search. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 29, 2016, 10:23:PM
I've just read that,Steve and it's much the same that has been reported over the years with little or no advance made regarding the investigation. I can't blame the McCanns for not giving up though. I've thought the same as Kate that Madeleine is still alive and for that reason alone I'd never give up the search.

Madeleine probably got out and met with an accident.  There never was any abduction.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 30, 2016, 11:20:AM
Madeleine probably got out and met with an accident.  There never was any abduction.





That was my very first thought until other issues came into play. Such as the heavy shutters being open and a shoe-print beneath the window. Suspicious characters hanging around the area. Staff at the Tapas bar knowing the arrival/departure times of the party. Money changing hands between police.
Many many other things which aroused suspicion.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 30, 2016, 11:22:AM
Even if the child had wandered out,someone would have picked her up so whichever way you look at this,it was an abduction.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on May 01, 2016, 10:04:AM
Madeleine probably got out and met with an accident.  There never was any abduction.

For me,there's no doubt no abduction took place. What I would like to know is, why start off by lying through your teeth.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 01, 2016, 10:17:AM
For me,there's no doubt no abduction took place. What I would like to know is, why start off by lying through your teeth.

If there had been unidentified prowlers wandering around Ocean Club that night surely someone would have seen them?  After all, there was a constant trail of guests wandering back and forth from the tapas bar and restaurant adjacent to the block from where Madeleine disappeared.  Additionally, people like Jez Wilkins were out walking, another local girl was visiting her boyfriend nearby. Waiters and other members of staff were coming and going, a veritable race track yet we are led to believe someone got through completely unnoticed and took a young girl from her parents apartment.

Scotland Yard in the guise of DCI Andy Redwood appears to have destroyed the one and only mystery man seen was walking past block 5 with a child in his arms.  So all in all somewhat of a mystery?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 01, 2016, 12:00:PM
 So this " mystery man " could well have abducted the child ? Yet people are saying no abduction ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: marty on May 01, 2016, 12:24:PM
So this " mystery man " could well have abducted the child ? Yet people are saying no abduction ?
I think John is saying, the police now know who the man was. I'm sure it was explained on crimewatch.So the mystery man is not a mystery any more.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 01, 2016, 12:38:PM
If there had been unidentified prowlers wandering around Ocean Club that night surely someone would have seen them?  After all, there was a constant trail of guests wandering back and forth from the tapas bar and restaurant adjacent to the block from where Madeleine disappeared.  Additionally, people like Jez Wilkins were out walking, another local girl was visiting her boyfriend nearby. Waiters and other members of staff were coming and going, a veritable race track yet we are led to believe someone got through completely unnoticed and took a young girl from her parents apartment.

Scotland Yard in the guise of DCI Andy Redwood appears to have destroyed the one and only mystery man seen was walking past block 5 with a child in his arms.  So all in all somewhat of a mystery?
You know I just think with the huge wave of Eastern European immigration at the time these package holidays were not as safe as they used to be, with all the hustle and bustle and of course people being on holiday and letting their guard down, as happened with the McCanns.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 01, 2016, 12:51:PM
I think John is saying, the police now know who the man was. I'm sure it was explained on crimewatch.So the mystery man is not a mystery any more.





I know,Marty. I read that it was just a guy collecting his daughter. What I am saying is that the McCanns had nothing to do with the child's disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 01, 2016, 12:52:PM
You know I just think with the huge wave of Eastern European immigration at the time these package holidays were not as safe as they used to be, with all the hustle and bustle and of course people being on holiday and letting their guard down, as happened with the McCanns.





I agree with you Steve.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 01, 2016, 04:12:PM




I know,Marty. I read that it was just a guy collecting his daughter. What I am saying is that the McCanns had nothing to do with the child's disappearance.

That is still the $64,000,000 question!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 01, 2016, 04:40:PM
That is still the $64,000,000 question!





There is no doubt in my mind about their innocence. Then again,your job wasn't to look for innocence before guilt ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 01, 2016, 05:05:PM




There is no doubt in my mind about their innocence. Then again,your job wasn't to look for innocence before guilt ?

So why refuse to cooperate with the original investigation?     Have you ever heard of innocent parents in a possible child abduction case refusing to cooperate with the police?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 01, 2016, 05:36:PM
So why refuse to cooperate with the original investigation?     Have you ever heard of innocent parents in a possible child abduction case refusing to cooperate with the police?
I suppose once they were notified by their lawyers that they were arguidos they were told not to speak to them. There was a suggestion that Maddy had fallen from a sofa and knocked herself out, something which the parents felt necessary to cover up, but this was near the end of the holiday and it would have been surprising for her to have had the accident just that night and not before. I'm not sure there was time either for the parents to have put her in the rental car, driven to a remote spot, buried the body and returned to their party, who surely would not have covered for them in their absence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 01, 2016, 08:01:PM
I suppose once they were notified by their lawyers that they were arguidos they were told not to speak to them. There was a suggestion that Maddy had fallen from a sofa and knocked herself out, something which the parents felt necessary to cover up, but this was near the end of the holiday and it would have been surprising for her to have had the accident just that night and not before. I'm not sure there was time either for the parents to have put her in the rental car, driven to a remote spot, buried the body and returned to their party, who surely would not have covered for them in their absence.

The Smiths sighting is an enduring mystery, why the man carrying a child never came forward must be suspicious.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on July 02, 2016, 09:05:AM
It is quite ridiculous to suggest the Mccann's killed and then disposed of Maddie.

It was simply a predator who took a small window of opportunity to take her.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on February 01, 2017, 01:25:PM
Well done Goncalo.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on February 01, 2017, 02:17:PM
It is quite ridiculous to suggest the Mccann's killed and then disposed of Maddie.

It was simply a predator who took a small window of opportunity to take her.

i agrea.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 01, 2017, 06:41:PM
Well done Goncalo.





I'm surprised by that,Roch ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 01, 2017, 07:45:PM
It's a bit like the shooting of Sheila really. I mean if Maddie had died in the apartment then why on earth cover it up?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 01, 2017, 07:55:PM
The investigation was as shabby as the WHF one.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on February 02, 2017, 02:11:PM
It is quite ridiculous to suggest the Mccann's killed and then disposed of Maddie.

It was simply a predator who took a small window of opportunity to take her.

Not like you to take the official British line Adam.

I'm surprised by that,Roch ?

He has tried to do what people like you and me would have liked Taff Jones to do.  They've thrown everything at trying to shut him up.   Why should people tell us that a book cannot be translated in to English and sold here?  Well it will be now.


It's a bit like the shooting of Sheila really. I mean if Maddie had died in the apartment then why on earth cover it up?

Maybe your answer was on or inside Maddie's corpse.  A postmortem may have indeed indicated why the death needed to be covered up.  Perhaps the McCann's didn't want their other children to be taken in to care and didn't want to be struck off by the BMA.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 02, 2017, 05:04:PM
Well totally different era - but I would have liked him to have written his own 'Truth of the Lie'.




I get your meaning.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 02, 2017, 06:52:PM
Not like you to take the official British line Adam.

He has tried to do what people like you and me would have liked Taff Jones to do.  They've thrown everything at trying to shut him up.   Why should people tell us that a book cannot be translated in to English and sold here?  Well it will be now.


Maybe your answer was on or inside Maddie's corpse.  A postmortem may have indeed indicated why the death needed to be covered up.  Perhaps the McCann's didn't want their other children to be taken in to care and didn't want to be struck off by the BMA.
But apparently the McCanns got down on all fours in the bedroom and started wailing when they realized Maddy had gone. It's not typical doctors' behaviour, who must have come across death a thousand times and always kept control, which is why had Maddie died in the apartment they would have colluded together to put on a calm front before law enforcement and the investigation they knew would follow.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 07, 2017, 09:33:PM
Anyone watching the outrageous Karen Matthews play ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2017, 07:35:AM
Set back as new Court ruling paves way for writing of second book written by former top cop who headed original investigation!...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2017, 07:38:AM
I believe that Maddie died, and her remains buried in the grounds of a derelict building across the road from the church in Pria de Luz, Portugal!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 27, 2017, 10:02:AM
Set back as new Court ruling paves way for writing of second book written by former top cop who headed original investigation!...





Of course they're not innocent in the child's disappearance. We all know that. They left her alone with the baby twins ! That's a crime in itself. It's never right to leave children alone,ever, and they should have known better
But-------the parents haven't murdered her,or physically harmed her in any way and they have to live with their deadly serious mistake for the rest of their lives,of which I can't think of anything worse.

To make matters worse,we have this odious ex-cop ( Amaral ) spreading his lies and propaganda to feed his greed and his ego,all done by way of compensating for their appalling investigation work at the beginning of the incident,which continued into chaos as officers bungled their way through.

Mark Williams-Thomas has recently expressed his thoughts that Madeleine got up out of her bed and wandered outside,which many,including myself had also suggested in the initial stages of the investigation,which is feasible,but from that it's anyone's guess as to what occurred once outside the apartment,which is where Mike's belief could/might sadly come to fruition if the area that he suggests hasn't been investigated. Though typically,the area could have been passed umpteen times without it having been searched thoroughly. It's not unusual to find that such things had been right under their nose's all the time.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2017, 04:46:PM
I believe that Maddie died, and her remains buried in the grounds of a derelict building across the road from the church in Pria de Luz, Portugal!

Her remains were here at some stage!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2017, 04:48:PM
Nobody has been to redig or excavate the shallow grave in the corner of the garden of the derelict building, a grave surrounded by marker stones (shown by red marker on map)!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2017, 04:54:PM
Here's the derelict building as seen from the road which separates it from the church where the parents sought refuge during the early stages of Maddie's disappearence!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2017, 04:59:PM
The underground vaults of the church were searched as part of the police investigation into Maddie's disappearence, crypts opened up, but to no avail!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2017, 05:01:PM
The underground vaults of the church were searched as part of the police investigation into Maddie's disappearence, crypts opened up, but to no avail!

Cops were close, but they targeted the wrong location!

Across the road from the church was situated the derelict building, it's rear garden, a shallow grave dug in the left corner, surrounded by marker stones!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 18, 2017, 12:16:AM
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/what-really-happened-the-night-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-as-nanny-breaks-her-10-year-silence/ar-BBzXhKe?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 18, 2017, 06:01:PM
Nearly 10 years. I wonder if the next ten will go as quickly. I daren't think about it. :(

However,how the McCann's feel at this stage,I don't know as life has had to carry on for them.

I remember the reputation that the place had and also the McCann's saying that had they known it was a " paedo's paradise " that holiday would never have taken place. As even the local pub had been christened " The Plough and Paedo " courtesy of the notorious son who lived there with his parents.His " stage" name was D.J.Shifty. I had suspected him. The last I heard he'd gone to the States as,of all things,a photographer. A ghastly individual !
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 21, 2017, 05:32:PM
Channel 7 Australia have what they're calling,a " major breakthrough " in the case which is going to be aired after a show which is on on Sunday. The TV company won't be handing over any evidence to police until after the show has aired.
It's classed as a " landmark event ",which will mark the up and coming 10 years since the child,who will be 13,went missing.
Hope it isn't another hoax. ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 21, 2017, 08:51:PM
Channel 7 Australia have what they're calling,a " major breakthrough " in the case which is going to be aired after a show which is on on Sunday. The TV company won't be handing over any evidence to police until after the show has aired.
It's classed as a " landmark event ",which will mark the up and coming 10 years since the child,who will be 13,went missing.
Hope it isn't another hoax. ::)
Yes I read that today lookout.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4431604/Australian-TV-s-breakthrough-Maddie-McCann-case.html

  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/5-main-suspects-madeleine-mccanns-10272619
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 24, 2017, 07:12:PM
So much for the " groundbreaking news ". Amaral had appeared on Australian TV to announce that " Maddie McCann's body was hidden by MI5 spies ".

This man will stoop to anything to gain publicity and money and this time has really scraped the barrel with his rotten theories. He'd reckoned that the child had died that night and that the parents had covered it up,with the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

The documentary has been dismissed by the spokesman acting on behalf of the McCann's saying that it revealed nothing new about the case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 24, 2017, 07:53:PM
So much for the " groundbreaking news ". Amaral had appeared on Australian TV to announce that " Maddie McCann's body was hidden by MI5 spies ".

This man will stoop to anything to gain publicity and money and this time has really scraped the barrel with his rotten theories. He'd reckoned that the child had died that night and that the parents had covered it up,with the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

The documentary has been dismissed by the spokesman acting on behalf of the McCann's saying that it revealed nothing new about the case.
There has been a flood of stories in the last few days involving an MI5 cover-up, Madeleine being abducted by slave traders, abducted by a rich family and smuggled to South Africa via Morocco or dumped in a well outside the village where she was first abducted. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/608347/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-search-Portugal-police
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 24, 2017, 09:16:PM
Apparently due to licensing laws, we are not alowed to view the program.   Somebody has uploaded to youtube though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHfRIqGunhQ

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 24, 2017, 09:17:PM
There has been a flood of stories in the last few days involving an MI5 cover-up, Madeleine being abducted by slave traders, abducted by a rich family and smuggled to South Africa via Morocco or dumped in a well outside the village where she was first abducted. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/608347/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-search-Portugal-police





There's definitely something fishy going on and I do suspect a cover-up of sorts. I've always been of the belief that she's still alive,probably because of the swiftness of her sudden disappearance and the fact that there's never been a body found. Somebody knows.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 24, 2017, 10:02:PM
The claims made for this program turned out to be totally hyped and innacurate.  Clearly they sucked in a load of interest to the viewing and news articles and then delivered a pro- McCann propagnda piece.  Plenty time for the well rehearsed and prepared McCann's. Masses of air time for former govt. spin doctor Clarence Mitchell.  Amaral was treated disgracefully.  There was nothing from the dog handler - therefore no opportunity to refute the claims made about the sniffer dogs.  The Australian female interviewer looked totally captivated by the McCanns, as if she hung off their every word.

40 minutes of my life that I will never get back.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 25, 2017, 03:28:PM
I was very surprised by the accusations that came from the criminal profiler Pat Brown whose claims mirrored those of " other criminals and their crimes ". Every crime is different in my mind and shouldn't be compared to others when making a final judgement.
The only crime that the McCanns were ever guilty of to my mind personally was to leave those 3 children unattended. Nobody has any right whatsoever to do that.   However,I still maintain that the parents didn't commit any crime against their daughter either accidentally or intentional.
As for their " stoicism " ,does that also constitute having committed murder or the like ? People's perceptions are such that if you're not seen to be breaking down at every given opportunity,that you're guilty of some heinous crime.
Behaviour ? I've heard all this before !!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 25, 2017, 08:16:PM
The claims made for this program turned out to be totally hyped and innacurate.  Clearly they sucked in a load of interest to the viewing and news articles and then delivered a pro- McCann propagnda piece.  Plenty time for the well rehearsed and prepared McCann's. Masses of air time for former govt. spin doctor Clarence Mitchell.  Amaral was treated disgracefully.  There was nothing from the dog handler - therefore no opportunity to refute the claims made about the sniffer dogs.  The Australian female interviewer looked totally captivated by the McCanns, as if she hung off their every word.

40 minutes of my life that I will never get back.
He's hardly a disinterested party. I wonder if the abductor killed Maddie in the apartment, which is what the cadaver dogs picked up on?
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/a-horrible-marker-of-time-madeleine-mccanns-mother-on-life-ten-years-on/ar-BBAkuTH?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartanntp

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-met-police-still-pursuing-critical-leads-in-maddy-mccann-case-10-years-on-from-a3523586.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest7363 on April 25, 2017, 10:31:PM
He's hardly a disinterested party. I wonder if the abductor killed Maddie in the apartment, which is what the cadaver dogs picked up on?
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/a-horrible-marker-of-time-madeleine-mccanns-mother-on-life-ten-years-on/ar-BBAkuTH?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartanntp

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-met-police-still-pursuing-critical-leads-in-maddy-mccann-case-10-years-on-from-a3523586.html
Just seen this Steve in Daily Mail online?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4444528/Significant-line-inquiry-Madeleine-McCann-case.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 25, 2017, 10:33:PM
Just seen this Steve in Daily Mail online?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4444528/Significant-line-inquiry-Madeleine-McCann-case.html
I don't know what to make of it justice. I suppose law enforcement have to keep their cards close to their chest, but after all this time it does make one sceptical.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest7363 on April 25, 2017, 10:44:PM
I don't know what to make of it justice. I suppose law enforcement have to keep their cards close to their chest, but after all this time it does make one sceptical.
Sure does Steve.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 26, 2017, 10:10:PM
I don't know if these have been posted before (and apologies if they have) but they're worth a watch, though nothing really new, except I didn't know a manageress of one of the restaurants had written down on paper early on in the holiday that the children were being left unsupervised in the room:  https://youtu.be/WLvnfcl-Zkg

and here's Oprah:  https://youtu.be/xNI5up44Nho
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest7363 on April 26, 2017, 10:48:PM
I don't know if these have been posted before (and apologies if they have) but they're worth a watch, though nothing really new, except I didn't know a manageress of one of the restaurants had written down on paper early on in the holiday that the children were being left unsupervised in the room:  https://youtu.be/WLvnfcl-Zkg

and here's Oprah:  https://youtu.be/xNI5up44Nho
Steve I know it's different times and places but, I can remember going on holidays to Butlins and parents with babies and young children used to leave them in their chalet at night while they went out, there used to be what they call a chalet patrol.  I wonder if Madeleine's parents were brought up in that holiday environment to do that?  Not defending them by the way it's just a thought because it was common practice.

What was the chalet patrol service?

This was a service run by the nursery department and designed to allow parents to go out in the evening whilst the kids remained asleep in the chalets. Teams of staff would patrol the chalets (sometimes on cycles) and make a note of any from which crying babies or children could be heard. This information was then relayed on the Tannoy or back to the main entertainment buildings where a sign would flash to alert the parents.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 26, 2017, 10:55:PM
Steve I know it's different times and places but, I can remember going on holidays to Butlins and parents with babies and young children used to leave them in their chalet at night while they went out, there used to be what they call a chalet patrol.  I wonder if Madeleine's parents were brought up in that holiday environment to do that?  Not defending them by the way it's just a thought because it was common practice.

What was the chalet patrol service?

This was a service run by the nursery department and designed to allow parents to go out in the evening whilst the kids remained asleep in the chalets. Teams of staff would patrol the chalets (sometimes on cycles) and make a note of any from which crying babies or children could be heard. This information was then relayed on the Tannoy or back to the main entertainment buildings where a sign would flash to alert the parents.
Yes I also think parents are off their guard because after all they're on holiday and have left their work behind for a few days. It seemed that there was a group who were all doing the same thing and maybe because the McCann's was the end chalet it was the easiest to abduct from. I do think we live in different times now especially with all the Eastern European immigration it's just impossible to know who's lurking out there.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest7363 on April 26, 2017, 11:03:PM
Yes I also think parents are off their guard because after all they're on holiday and have left their work behind for a few days. It seemed that there was a group who were all doing the same thing and maybe because the McCann's was the end chalet it was the easiest to abduct from. I do think we live in different times now especially with all the Eastern European immigration it's just impossible to know who's lurking out there.
quite true Steve, people knock them for doing it but thousand and thousands of families used to do it and then you get the kids who have been left in dormitories etc who then think it's natural to do it, times have changed like you said Steve.  Without checking was there some sort of baby sitting service for them?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 26, 2017, 11:18:PM
quite true Steve, people knock them for doing it but thousand and thousands of families used to do it and then you get the kids who have been left in dormitories etc who then think it's natural to do it, times have changed like you said Steve.  Without checking was there some sort of baby sitting service for them?
No I don't think there was but Kate did mention picking up Madeleine from a crèche at 5:30pm which is the last independent sighting of her being alive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 26, 2017, 11:24:PM
There seems to be contradictory articles on whether there was a babysitting service, whether it covered the McCann's apartment or whether it had been discontinued. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1900122/We-did-not-get-nanny-service-for-Madeleine-says-Kate-McCann.html

http://blogs.thisismoney.co.uk/2007/05/my_experience_o.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 30, 2017, 09:44:PM
A new interview with Fiona Bruce:  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-is-10326400
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 01, 2017, 08:03:PM
The continual thorn in their side is Amaral who's come up with another of his wild ideas that Madeleine was hidden in a coffin with a British woman and was cremated.
His reason for saying this was because of the McCann's daily visits to the church while they were still at the resort.
He's one odious individual who is also being interviewed tonight.

The McCanns will continue to fight his lies and slurs on them.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 01, 2017, 08:13:PM
The continual thorn in their side is Amaral who's come up with another of his wild ideas that Madeleine was hidden in a coffin with a British woman and was cremated.
His reason for saying this was because of the McCann's daily visits to the church while they were still at the resort.
He's one odious individual who is also being interviewed tonight.

The McCanns will continue to fight his lies and slurs on them.
I was wondering about the cadaver dogs lookout (I don't think Amaral is impartial either) and whether they are reliable or not?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 02, 2017, 07:29:PM
I always thought Robert Murat was a good suspect but after he won substantial libel damages from the Press I'd better be careful what I say. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489408/Madeleines-DNA-Murats-house-police-claim.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 02, 2017, 08:04:PM
I always thought Robert Murat was a good suspect but after he won substantial libel damages from the Press I'd better be careful what I say. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489408/Madeleines-DNA-Murats-house-police-claim.html





So did I,Steve. There were lots of things which pointed in his direction----------so suspicious.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest7363 on May 02, 2017, 08:06:PM




So did I,Steve. There were lots of things which pointed in his direction----------so suspicious.
I hope to god they are proved right Lookout and she is found alive. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 02, 2017, 08:16:PM
I was wondering about the cadaver dogs lookout (I don't think Amaral is impartial either) and whether they are reliable or not?





If the dogs sniffed anything,it could have been transferred from Kate,who'd attended a couple of deaths before their holiday.No matter how much clothes are washed/dry-cleaned,a cadaver dog will still pick up the scent.
Kate had a Bible with her,which obviously wouldn't have been washed and the transfer of scent would permeate whatever it came into contact with.

Blood which was found behind a settee could have belonged to the family of holiday makers who moved into the apartment soon after the McCanns moved out to their other apartment while still staying in PDL. Tests were contaminated .
The hire van/car was hired after Madeleine had gone missing. The previous hirer was never documented or named.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 02, 2017, 08:24:PM
Same dogs in action here:

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2008/01/eddie-and-keela-versus-team-mccann.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 02, 2017, 08:47:PM
I hope to god they are proved right Lookout and she is found alive.





I've always imagined that she is still alive,justice. I hope so anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest7363 on May 02, 2017, 08:50:PM




I've always imagined that she is still alive,justice. I hope so anyway.
Bless, and so do the family as well Lookout

Ps I had just been reading this when I saw yours and Jane's post, I couldn't stop laughing thinking what your grandson said.

http://news.sky.com/story/missing-fossil-link-to-jurassic-park-dinosaurs-found-after-more-than-80-years-in-museum-10860656
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 02, 2017, 08:53:PM
Same dogs in action here:

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2008/01/eddie-and-keela-versus-team-mccann.html





The thing is Roch,those dogs can smell blood and cadavers-----------but one thing they can't do is tell you of who.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 03, 2017, 12:09:PM
Programme on BBC1 tonight at 9pm marking 10 years since Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 03, 2017, 01:29:PM




So did I,Steve. There were lots of things which pointed in his direction----------so suspicious.





Very much in the same position as JB, Murat had fingers pointing from every direction. Even his alleged background had been very questionable,to say nothing about his behaviour on the night that the child went missing. His alibi was dodgy,in fact everything had pointed in his direction which proves how easy it is to misinterpret and to get the wrong man when you have others also " against his case ". The usual frenzy had been whipped up by a woman journalist who'd been so certain of Murat's guilt that word was passed around quickly to the attending police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 03, 2017, 02:12:PM




Very much in the same position as JB, Murat had fingers pointing from every direction. Even his alleged background had been very questionable,to say nothing about his behaviour on the night that the child went missing. His alibi was dodgy,in fact everything had pointed in his direction which proves how easy it is to misinterpret and to get the wrong man when you have others also " against his case ". The usual frenzy had been whipped up by a woman journalist who'd been so certain of Murat's guilt that word was passed around quickly to the attending police.

He was virtually hung drawn and quartered simply for having a glass eye.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 03, 2017, 02:38:PM
He was virtually hung drawn and quartered simply for having a glass eye.





That's right,but it was so scary a thought at how easy it was to be drawn in once his background,along with a few fabrications/embellishments came to the fore.
He then jumped a flight to see his daughter in the UK and was made an arguido on his return,the same as the McCanns were. They probably suspected the man because much had been made of his movements,behaviour and background.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 03, 2017, 02:53:PM




That's right,but it was so scary a thought at how easy it was to be drawn in once his background,along with a few fabrications/embellishments came to the fore.
He then jumped a flight to see his daughter in the UK and was made an arguido on his return,the same as the McCanns were. They probably suspected the man because much had been made of his movements,behaviour and background.

There was something to do with phone records...

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t320-why-were-both-murat-s-and-gerry-mccann-s-mobiles-switched-off-for-the-same-32-hours-on-2-and-3-may-2007
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 03, 2017, 03:24:PM
There was something to do with phone records...

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t320-why-were-both-murat-s-and-gerry-mccann-s-mobiles-switched-off-for-the-same-32-hours-on-2-and-3-may-2007




The author in most of these accusatory type comments or scenario's also happens to be a friend of Paul Harrison the author,and Tony Bennett also assisted PH in his book about Jeremy Bamber,so anything which is said or suggested by Bennett I tend not to look into so much.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 03, 2017, 03:34:PM
Bennett ( ex-solicitor ) was damn lucky to have escaped being behind bars himself for the libellous thread he had accusing/damning the McCanns.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 03, 2017, 06:23:PM
Programme on BBC1 tonight at 9pm marking 10 years since Madeleine's disappearance.
There's also a programme on Sky News at 8:00pm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 14, 2017, 10:35:PM
I believe parents over sedated Maddie, that the alarm was raised by Gerry during his 9 O'clock check, that upon his return to the tappas bar, he asked two members of the group to go and check on his daughters welfare, (9.30am), that during this visit Maddie's body was removed from apartment 5a, and that by time Kate got around to checking on the children at around 10am, one of the people responsible for Maddie's disappearence, had already left taking Maddie's body with him, the other accomplice left the apartment as soon as Kate stepped foot in the apartment! The slamming of the bedroom door and the blowing inward of curtains at the window was created by way of a vacuum, with patio door open , bedroom window open, and back door on the carpark side of the apartments swung open, could only have occurred with someone else being present in the apartment at the same time as Kate  McCann!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 14, 2017, 10:40:PM
She ran back to the tapas bar, shouting, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone'!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 14, 2017, 11:04:PM
I would explain the cadaver traces but I can't believe it would have been covered up by the Tapas 7 for so long, all of whom it seemed left their children unguarded that night.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 07:05:AM
I would explain the cadaver traces but I can't believe it would have been covered up by the Tapas 7 for so long, all of whom it seemed left their children unguarded that night.

When I stayed in one of the apartments directly opposite 5A,  I tried to recreate the slamming of the bedroom door with the curtains blowing inward. This was achieved by leaving the patio door ajar, the metal shutter of the bedroom (in question) raised with the window open with the bedroom door slightly open and the opening of the front door! When stood at the bedroom door you would be able to see anyone at the door that went outside - or anyone inside who was going outside! Somebody must have had a key, or the parents had left the door to the outside open!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 08:22:AM
When I stayed in one of the apartments directly opposite 5A,  I tried to recreate the slamming of the bedroom door with the curtains blowing inward. This was achieved by leaving the patio door ajar, the metal shutter of the bedroom (in question) raised with the window open with the bedroom door slightly open and the opening of the front door! When stood at the bedroom door you would be able to see anyone at the door that went outside - or anyone inside who was going outside! Somebody must have had a key, or the parents had left the door to the outside open!

This experiment was repeated over and over again, and always produced the same result!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 08:25:AM
This informs me that me that when Kate McCann returned to the apartment (5a) that there was somebody already present there, or that someone entered the door of the apartment and caused the bedroom door to slam and the curtains at the window to blow inward!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 09:09:AM
This informs me that me that when Kate McCann returned to the apartment (5a) that there was somebody already present there, or that someone entered the door of the apartment and caused the bedroom door to slam and the curtains at the window to blow inward!

Somebody had raised the metal shutter and opened the bedroom window after Gerry McCanns 9pm visit - this could have been done by either of the two tappas group members who carried out the 9.30pm check, or someone in-between then and the 10 pm check made by Kate!

What appears important to me, is the timing of the 'slamming of the bedroom Door' and 'the inward blowing of the bedroom curtains', which did not occur until after Kate had already entered the apartment (5a) it is worth noting that the bedroom door in question did not slam shut as soon as Kate slid open the patio door! Immediately in front on the patio door was the doorway to the children's bedroom and the passage way to door leading out in the direction of the car park! Anyone already inside the apartment, or anyone entering the apartment whilst Kate was inside would have been seen by Kate! Anyone entering the apartment once Kate had entered the apartment (5a) with Kate in the vicinity of the bedroom door would have seen Kate, and she would have seen them! The key piece of evidence being access to the apartment (5a) via the carpark door by an accomplice! According to the parents that carpark door was locked when they both left to go to the tapas bar, they left via the patio door (leaving it unlocked)! It is not known which door Gerry McCan used during his 9pm visit, but two of the tapas group used the patio door access and exit, Kate used the patio door access and exit at 10pm...

Whoever took Maddie out of the apartment almost certainly took her out via the locked car park door of the apartment (unlocking it) at the back of apartment 5a. They raised the steel shutter at the bedroom window and opened the window to give an impression that some intruder had entered the bedroom and taken Maddie out by that route! This seems unlikely considering that the patio door was left open on the poolside of Apartment 5a, and that someone had unrestricted access to the rear car park door (as exercised at the time Kate returned to the apartment at 10pm)! 'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' taking on new meaning in light of what is now known...

Who had taken her?

What did Kate know by the time she returned to the tapas bar to speak those words?

'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' taking on new meaning in light of what is now known...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 09:11:AM
Somebody had raised the metal shutter and opened the bedroom window after Gerry McCanns 9pm visit - this could have been done by either of the two tappas group members who carried out the 9.30pm check, or someone in-between then and the 10 pm check made by Kate!

What appears important to me, is the timing of the 'slamming of the bedroom Door' and 'the inward blowing of the bedroom curtains', which did not occur until after Kate had already entered the apartment (5a) it is worth noting that the bedroom door in question did not slam shut as soon as Kate slid open the patio door! Immediately in front on the patio door was the doorway to the children's bedroom and the passage way to door leading out in the direction of the car park! Anyone already inside the apartment, or anyone entering the apartment whilst Kate was inside would have been seen by Kate! Anyone entering the apartment once Kate had entered the apartment (5a) with Kate in the vicinity of the bedroom door would have seen Kate, and she would have seen them! The key piece of evidence being access to the apartment (5a) via the carpark door by an accomplice! According to the parents that carpark door was locked when they both left to go to the tapas bar, they left via the patio door (leaving it unlocked)! It is not known which door Gerry McCan used during his 9pm visit, but two of the tapas group used the patio door access and exit, Kate used the patio door access and exit at 10pm...

Whoever took Maddie out of the apartment almost certainly took her out via the locked car park door of the apartment (unlocking it) at the back of apartment 5a. They raised the steel shutter at the bedroom window and opened the window to give an impression that some intruder had entered the bedroom and taken Maddie out by that route! This seems unlikely considering that the patio door was left open on the poolside of Apartment 5a, and that someone had unrestricted access to the rear car park door (as exercised at the time Kate returned to the apartment at 10pm)! 'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' taking on new meaning in light of what is now known...

Who had taken her?

What did Kate know by the time she returned to the tapas bar to speak those words?

'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' taking on new meaning in light of what is now known...

Somebody had access to apartment 5a via the locked carpark door at the time of Maddie's disappearence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 09:16:AM
Both parents were adamant that that carpark door to apartment 5a was locked, and that only the patio door was left open! They claimed that no one knew they had left the patio door open, until around 9.30am, when for some inexplicable reason they agreed to let the two gang members check on their children! Why leave the apartment by way of the patio door which could not be locked from outside in the first instance? Why not lock the patio door from the inside, and leave the apartment via the rear carpark door?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 09:18:AM
Both parents were adamant that that carpark door to apartment 5a was locked, and that only the patio door was left open! They claimed that no one knew they had left the patio door open, until around 9.30am, when for some inexplicable reason they agreed to let the two gang members check on their children! Why leave the apartment by way of the patio door which could not be locked from outside in the first instance? Why not lock the patio door from the inside, and leave the apartment via the rear carpark door?

Anyone located in the tapas bar area, could have seen the McCans leaving their apartment (5a) via the unlocked patio door...

Why did parents take that risk?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 09:20:AM
Other members of the group who left their children alone in the apartment did not make the same mistake - they left their apartments via the carpark / roadside doors, locking the door behind them! Why didn't the McCanns do likewise?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 09:28:AM
Kate McCann saw at least one person in apartment 5a during her 10pm visit, either leaving, or entering the apartment! This coincided with the vacuum created at the time the car park / roadside door to apartment 5a was opened which slammed shut the kids bedroom door and set the curtains at the open bedroom window blowing inward! That person knew what had happened to Maddie, that person knew who had taken her away, that person was there when Kate returned to the apartment at 10pm, there to try and comfort her, and to give her support! The identity of that person is obviously known to Kate herself! When she eventually ran back to the tapas bar and she bellowed out, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone', she knew who had taken her, and why...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 09:33:AM
I believe that at some point between 9.30 and 10pm, that Gerry McCann broke the news to Kate at the tapas bar that things had taken a turn for the worst involving them having 'over sedated' Maddie! That's why they agreed to the two tapas members to do the check at 9.30pm. By 10pm, Kate felt a deep urge to see Maddie one last time, but her body had been removed by the time she arrived at the apartment!

The raised shutter and open bedroom window was a ruse designed to make police think an intruder had entered the apartment and taken Maddie!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 10:11:AM
Kate McCann saw at least one person in apartment 5a during her 10pm visit, either leaving, or entering the apartment! This coincided with the vacuum created at the time the car park / roadside door to apartment 5a was opened which slammed shut the kids bedroom door and set the curtains at the open bedroom window blowing inward! That person knew what had happened to Maddie, that person knew who had taken her away, that person was there when Kate returned to the apartment at 10pm, there to try and comfort her, and to give her support! The identity of that person is obviously known to Kate herself! When she eventually ran back to the tapas bar and she bellowed out, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone', she knew who had taken her, and why...


If roadside door was already open, along with bedroom shutter raised and window open, when Kate entered the apartment via the patio door, the bedroom door would have slammed shut as soon as Kate slid open the patio door! This tells me that the person was still inside the apartment, or returned to the apartment, just as Kate was resetting the bedroom door!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 10:20:AM
Vacuum created once Kate entered apartment via open patio door, with bedroom window open, shutter raised, and the opening of the roadside door!

Kate would have seen the person who opened the roadside door, but she has kept silent about the identity of that person...

Why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:19:PM
Here is illustrated the various doors which were closed and then opened in conjunction with the bedroom window and shutter, thus creating the vacuum which Kate McCann  spoke about!

The open bedroom window and shutter in the children's bedroom marked in green..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:21:PM
Bedroom door slightly ajar - shown in green, along with open window and shutter in same room...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:24:PM
Patio door on pool side of apartment slid open, shown in green - creating potential for build up of vacuum via the slightly ajar bedroom door, and the open window and shutter of that bedroom window...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:28:PM
Circuit generated vacuum overload when in addition to the bedroom window and shutter being open, the bedroom door slightly ajar, and the patio door slid open, somebody opens the front door on the carpark / roadside of the apartment as shown in red...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:30:PM
Bedroom door slams shut as shown in red...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:32:PM
Kate opens bedroom door, and curtains blowing inward and flailing around, as shown in red...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:37:PM
Vacuum overload occurs because somebody opened the front door on the road side of the apartment, whilst the patio door on the pool side of the same apartment remained open, with the bedroom window shutter open and the bedroom door slightly ajar , as shown in red...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:45:PM
Sequence with which patio door on pool side of apartment, and the front door on the roadside of the apartment may be opened at a time the other door was closed without creating the vacuum necessary to slam the bedroom door or to make the curtains and the open window Dow / shutter flail around!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:47:PM
With both doors open at the same time the vacuum necessary to slam the bedroom door and flail the curtains at the bedroom / shutter window is generated as shown in blue..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 01:59:PM
The apartment I was staying in was the same layout as the one which Maddie was taken from, I was able to recreate the vacuum spoken about in Kate McCanns account involving the children's bedroom door slamming, and the curtains flailing at the open window / shutter repeatedly without deviation providing the bedroom window and shutter was open and raised, the bedroom door slightly ajar, and both the patio door, and the front door were both open all at one and the same time! What this alerted me to at the time of these experiments was the very strong possibility that someone was already inside the apartment waiting for Kate to come, or that the person concerned re-entered the apartment just after Kate arrived there! The key feature being that someone opened the front door on the roadside of the apartment which caused the bedroom door to slam shut! The front door must have remained open long enough for Kate to push the door back open and for her to go to the bedroom window where the curtains were flailing to notice that the window was open and the steel shutter raised!

Kate does not state how long this phenomena lasted for?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2017, 02:04:PM
'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' takes on a new meaning once you realise how the vacuum which caused the children's bedroom door to slam closed etc, since with someone in the front door vicinity they would easily have been in Kate's eye line of vision?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 15, 2017, 10:43:PM
I can only assume it was a predator with Madeleine. Maybe working for a foreign gang. The gang then sold Madeleine to a couple who wanted children.

The predator/s  got off the island by boat.

It was a good location for a predator. As the adults would go across  to the other side of the apartment swimming pool in the evenings. They may make regular checks on the children but a predator doesn't need long.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 15, 2017, 10:45:PM
I can only assume it was a predator with Madeleine. Maybe working for a foreign gang. The gang then sold Madeleine to a couple who wanted children.

The predator/s  got off the island by boat.

It was a good location for a predator. As the adults would go across the to the other side of the apartment swimming pool in the evenings. They may make regular checks on the children but a predator doesn't need long.

Have you read Truth of the Lie?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 15, 2017, 10:49:PM
Have you read Truth of the Lie?

I haven't. What does it say ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 15, 2017, 10:56:PM
I believe Madeleine is still alive. There is no point in a predator/s taking her just to kill her. Hopefully she is being looked after well in a good family.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 15, 2017, 10:58:PM
I haven't. What does it say ?

Chapter One can be found here: http://truthofthelie.com/the-book/chapter-1/

All the other chapters are also available from the English Book sub heading.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 15, 2017, 11:00:PM
I can only assume it was a predator with Madeleine. Maybe working for a foreign gang. The gang then sold Madeleine to a couple who wanted children.

The predator/s  got off the island by boat.

It was a good location for a predator. As the adults would go across the to the other side of the apartment swimming pool in the evenings. They may make regular checks on the children but a predator doesn't need long.
I find it hard to believe that a decent family would buy a child from a predator.  How could anyone buy a child who had obviously been stolen and not go to the authorities. It doesn't make sense to me I'm afraid. However desperate a couple maybe f o r a child to care for and love no decent person in their right mind would ever take another's child. It doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 15, 2017, 11:12:PM
Chapter One can be found here: http://truthofthelie.com/the-book/chapter-1/

All the other chapters are also available from the English Book sub heading.

Will browse it tomorrow.

I never believed Madeleine's parents killed her.

The independent evidence from people with the parents is that a predator had the opportunity that evening.  The predator had probably cased the place beforehand.

If there was a way by boat to another country, that is what happened.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 15, 2017, 11:22:PM
Will browse it tomorrow.

I never believed Madeleine's parents killed her.

The independent evidence from people with the parents is that a predator had the opportunity that evening.  The predator had probably cased the place beforehand.

If there was a way by boat to another country, that is what happened.
I don't believe her parents killed her but I do believe she is probably dead.  Poor little girl.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on May 15, 2017, 11:34:PM
I don't follow this case much. But let me guess. There is still only one undisputed fact to go on.... she vanished.

 :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 15, 2017, 11:59:PM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/news.sky.com/story/amp/what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-six-possible-theories-examined-10852674&ved=0ahUKEwjdzvjd_fLTAhWpA8AKHZ5-AzUQFgglMAM&usg=AFQjCNEO_-4WzpqlVw8GN2-5VPEeQUyvbw

Here are some theories.

The flaw in my theory that she was taken to be sold to willing parents abroad, is there were two younger children available.

It says the most plausible theory is she was taken to be sold into slavery in Morroco. Not sure how much use a 3 year old would be for slavery. Seems a bit extreme going to another country to kidnap someone for this. Were there no available slaves in Morroco ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 16, 2017, 09:20:AM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/news.sky.com/story/amp/what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-six-possible-theories-examined-10852674&ved=0ahUKEwjdzvjd_fLTAhWpA8AKHZ5-AzUQFgglMAM&usg=AFQjCNEO_-4WzpqlVw8GN2-5VPEeQUyvbw

Here are some theories.

The flaw in my theory that she was taken to be sold to willing parents abroad, is there were two younger children available.

It says the most plausible theory is she was taken to be sold into slavery in Morroco. Not sure how much use a 3 year old would be for slavery. Seems a bit extreme going to another country to kidnap someone for this. Were there no available slaves in Morroco ?
I agree that is a big flaw, if someone wanted a child to bring up as their own the younger the child the easier and probably more desirable the child would be therefore one of the 2 year olds for the reasons explained in the article. 

There is a possibility she was taken to be sold to a couple or single parent who wanted a child but I cannot agree she would have a happy stable childhood.  Anyone willing to take someone else's child is not kind and loving I'm afraid, such a person would be self centred and wicked or mentally ill to do that to the McCanns, hardly someone capable of delivering a happy life to a child.  The whole world knows about the McCann's so it's highly unlikely that Madeliene is living a happy and secure normal life totally unrecognised by the local population.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 16, 2017, 09:45:AM
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/news.sky.com/story/amp/what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-six-possible-theories-examined-10852674&ved=0ahUKEwjdzvjd_fLTAhWpA8AKHZ5-AzUQFgglMAM&usg=AFQjCNEO_-4WzpqlVw8GN2-5VPEeQUyvbw

Here are some theories.

The flaw in my theory that she was taken to be sold to willing parents abroad, is there were two younger children available.

It says the most plausible theory is she was taken to be sold into slavery in Morroco. Not sure how much use a 3 year old would be for slavery. Seems a bit extreme going to another country to kidnap someone for this. Were there no available slaves in Morroco ?

Think it's a bit of a weak reason that a predator/s with the intention of selling Madeleine on to a person/people that wanted children, wouldn't have picked Madeleine.

There was only a years difference in ages between the three children & the other children may have been just as big. The predator didn't have time to pick & choose & it would have been dark.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 10:18:AM
The apartment I was staying in was the same layout as the one which Maddie was taken from, I was able to recreate the vacuum spoken about in Kate McCanns account involving the children's bedroom door slamming, and the curtains flailing at the open window / shutter repeatedly without deviation providing the bedroom window and shutter was open and raised, the bedroom door slightly ajar, and both the patio door, and the front door were both open all at one and the same time! What this alerted me to at the time of these experiments was the very strong possibility that someone was already inside the apartment waiting for Kate to come, or that the person concerned re-entered the apartment just after Kate arrived there! The key feature being that someone opened the front door on the roadside of the apartment which caused the bedroom door to slam shut! The front door must have remained open long enough for Kate to push the door back open and for her to go to the bedroom window where the curtains were flailing to notice that the window was open and the steel shutter raised!

Kate does not state how long this phenomena lasted for?

Somebody had a key to the front door of the apartment and used it to gain access to it despite the patio door on the poolside of the apartment being left unlocked. The only persons known to have had such a key were the parents and the hotel reception..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 10:19:AM
Nobody forced up the steel shutter of the bedroom window, or forced the window itself open, the shutter and the window were set like that as a ruse!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 11:06:AM
Nobody forced up the steel shutter of the bedroom window, or forced the window itself open, the shutter and the window were set like that as a ruse!

Maddie was almost certainly taken out via the road side front door and carried down toward the sea as seen by the Smith family!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 11:13:AM
(1) - http://thesmithsighting.blogspot.co.ukttp://thesmithsighting.blogspot.co.uk
(2) - https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/the-smiths-sighting.html

An Irish family holidaying in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine McCann went missing say they will "fully cooperate" with any new police probe.

Louth couple Martin and Mary Smith were quizzed by investigators after they claimed to have seen a man carrying a young child through the town on the night of the May 3, 2007.

Madeleine was almost four years old when she vanished from her bed in her parents' apartment at the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz between 9.35pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007.

Despite a massive police investigation and huge publicity worldwide, she has not been found. However it has now emerged that a group of Portuguese detectives have been appointed to carry out a fresh review of the investigation.

Now, the Irish couple who were interviewed by police following the girl's disappearance are bracing themselves to be reinterviewed.

Reports in British newspapers have claimed Scotland Yard officers will approach the Smith family in the coming weeks as they attempt to construct a photofit on the prime suspect.


Tragedy

Mary Smith told the Herald today that the family still sees Madeleine story as a "terrible tragedy" and that they will co-operate fully with investigators.

"At this point we just don't know whether we will be called but of course we will cooperate fully. Madeleine's disappearance was just a terrible tragedy," she added.

"We have not been contacted by police yet and we will wait for their instructions," she added.
Police reports state that Mary and Martin left Kelly's Bar in the resort at approximately 10pm when they passed a male they said was carrying a young girl who was barefoot..
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 11:19:AM
Kate McCanns visit to the apartment and her account relating to the slamming of the bedroom door, curtains flailing, window open, shutter raised upward, Maddie taken, Maddie gone, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' coincided perfectly with the timing of the Smith sighting of the bare footed child being carried by a man who the Smiths believed to have been Gerry McCann down toward the sea front in the resort at just after 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 16, 2017, 12:57:PM
Think it's a bit of a weak reason that a predator/s with the intention of selling Madeleine on to a person/people that wanted children, wouldn't have picked Madeleine.

There was only a years difference in ages between the three children & the other children may have been just as big. The predator didn't have time to pick & choose & it would have been dark.
True enough.  My real point is as I have said that any loving caring mother ( or father or both)who has a need to fill the empty hole in her life because she is childless would never get satisfaction from taking some other mother's child leaving her bereft. It's hard enough to adopt a child with another mother's blessing, goodness knows.  Therefore it is more than likely whatever the child was stolen for it would not be for a loving family life... unfortunately. 

That is my argument therefore in many ways I believe however brutal it sounds, it is probably better that she died however dreadful that is, makes your heart bleed for all of them. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 01:29:PM
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

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Kate's interview took place on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, 04/05/07 at 2.20pm.

On the subject of the proceedings:

The interviewee was heard as a victim, being the mother of the minor. Of British nationality, she has no command of the Portuguese language, spoken or written. Thus, the interview was done in the presence of an interpreter: Natalia C.F. de A. The interviewee says she has been married to Gerald since December 1998. She has never been to Portugal before. The trip came at the suggestion of friends, who convinced them, at the end of last year, to spend their holiday in Portugal. The trip was organised by David Payne, who made the Praia da Luz Ocean Club reservation on the Internet for the interviewee and her husband, as well as for the rest of the group, a total of 9 adults and eight children, including her daughter Madeleine. She has known some members of the group since the year 2000 and others for a year. She was a colleague of David's wife.

They travelled in two separate groups. One of the groups was composed of the interviewee, her husband Gerald, their three children, David and his wife, the mother-in-law and their two children. One of the groups left from Leicestershire and the other from London.

The meeting point was the Ocean Club where the interviewee's group arrived on Saturday April 28th at around 3pm from Faro airport in an airport mini bus. The other group arrived on the same day, late morning.

After checking in, the interviewee and her family were placed in apartment G5A. The nuclear family comprises the interviewee, her husband, her daughter Madeleine and twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 2 years.
The apartment has two beds in one bedroom, and two in another where there are also two cots on loan from the Ocean Club.

The interviewee and her husband sleep in one bedroom and the three children in the other. The twins sleep in cots, Madeleine in a normal bed, the other bed staying empty.

Between the day of the arrival, April 28th, and the time that Madeleine's disappearance was discovered, the interviewee says that she noticed nothing unusual. She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She thought her daughter's comment strange because it was the first time she had talked about it.

The routines

The day after their arrival, they went for breakfast at around 7.30/8.30 at the Ocean Club, in a bar situated some distance from the apartment. On the following days, because the bar was quite far away, they started buying supplies from the "BAPTISTE" supermarket, located on the same road as the apartment and they had their first meal of the day in the apartment.

After breakfast, at around 9/9.30am, the children went to the club called the "KIDS CLUB" where they did various activities such as painting, collage etc. They stayed there until around 12.30pm, constantly supervised by several Ocean Club employees in a ratio of three children to one employee. Within the "Kids Club" because of the difference in ages, the twins were in one group and Madeleine in another, with separate activities.

At 12.30pm, the parents would collect their children and have lunch in their apartment since they have provisions. After lunch, at around 1.30pm, the children spend time close to the club's swimming pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they play and have sun cream applied. After this time, they take the children to the "Kids Club" until around 5/5.30pm, the time when the children eat in a bar under the watchful gaze of the parents. After the 5pm dinner, they give the children a bath, prepare them for the night and let them play for a while in a playground next to the tennis courts, still and always under parental supervision. At around 8pm, the children are put to bed until the following morning when the described routines start all over again. While the children are at the "Kids Club," the interviewee played tennis with her husband, went for walks, read or went "Jogging."


Thursday May 3rd 2007
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 8.30pm, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Faced with this situation,she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband and the others to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, when she went to her apartment to see her children at around 9.15pm, saw from the back [rear] about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person, in what she thinks were jeans, with a child in his arms and walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself.

Comment: (from AnnaEsse.) are a couple of words missing from this last paragraph' Should it read, "Later, Jane.....said she saw..."' Or is there another way I can translate, "Plus tard," in that context'

Concerning Madeleine, she is Caucasian, white, aged four years (12/05/2003) about 90cm tall. Very slim, dark blond hair; shoulder-length. Left eye blue-green same as the right, which has a brown spot. She has a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg as well as sunburn on her right forearm. She has no scars. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas with white bottoms with a floral pattern. The short-sleeved top, mainly pink with a blue-grey figure of a donkey bearing the inscription, "EEYORE," an inscription which is also on one of the trouser legs. The pyjamas are "Marks and Spencer" brand.

Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger. She has no suspicions to talk about, finds no reason for this act, neither she nor her husband has enemies. She states that her daughter has no illnesses and is not on any medication.

Following a request from the inspector, she authorises a reading of the calls on her mobile phone. Apart from the Kids Club and the apartment, they only went once to the beach with Madeleine and the other children and only for a very short period of time, since the weather was changeable. They could only go to the beach between 1.30 and 3pm, the time when they went back to the club. At the beach, they only ate an ice cream then they went back to the apartment. Apart from that, on the Wednesday or Thursday, Madeleine and the other children went sailing at the beach five minutes on foot from the club, for an hour, organised by the resort itself. The supervision and planning were the responsibility of the club. The interviewee and her husband were not present. She never noticed any strange behaviour during these recent days which could explain the disappearance. After having been shown the list of the Ocean Club's guests, she says she only knows the names of those of the group. Other than the child, nothing else has disappeared, neither clothes nor the child's jewellery. (' parures') The interviewee did not have an intercom, unlike David and Fiona Payne who were able to hear crying or any kind of noise. She has nothing else to add. After having read the deed, she confirms it, ratifies it and signs it with the interpreter.

Enfants Kidnapp' 26/08/08
1804 Consent from Kate McCann for DNA analysis of swab 2007.05.10
07-Processos Vol VII Page 1804
07_VOLUME_VIIa_Page_1804
 I, Kate Marie Healy...................................hereby declare my authorisation, for the purposes of DNA examination, that a mouth swab be taken from me at the Portimao DIC.

Portimao, 10th May 2007


Signed

K. Healy
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:09:PM
I'm with the Smiths in believing that it was Gerry carrying Maddie in the direction of the beach!  The timing of the sighting is estimated not exact, and I don't believe Gerry was sat at the tapas bar table at the time of the Smith sighting! According to the Portuguese police there is no independant evidence that Gerry McCann was at the table the whole of the time after his return to the tapas bar from his supposed 9pm check...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:15:PM
In any event, it would have taken Gerry 10 minutes to carry Maddie from 5a to the beach and slightly less time to return after dumping his daughter somewhere close to the shore line! Jane Tanner gave Gerry an alibi by declaring that she saw him talking to a man with a pushchair on the pavement opposite apartment 5a - yet Gerry himself has no recollection of seeing her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:20:PM
It is interesting to note that Gerry was away from the tapas bar an inordinate length of time on the 9pm check - ample time for him to carry his daughter to the beach, conceal her body temporaliy and make his way back to the tapas bar before the supposed 9.30pm check by colleagues...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:24:PM
It is interesting to note that Gerry was away from the tapas bar an inordinate length of time on the 9pm check - ample time for him to carry his daughter to the beach, conceal her body temporaliy and make his way back to the tapas bar before the supposed 9.30pm check by colleagues...

Gerry would be back at the tappas bar in time for Kates check at 10pm, and her discovery of Maddie being taken, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddy is gone'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 16, 2017, 03:28:PM
It is interesting to note that Gerry was away from the tapas bar an inordinate length of time on the 9pm check - ample time for him to carry his daughter to the beach, conceal her body temporaliy and make his way back to the tapas bar before the supposed 9.30pm check by colleagues...
I find it really hard to believe that Gerry McCann, a cardiologist who spends his working life trying to save lives could even contemplate hiding the death of his daughter and dumping her precious little body on a beach. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:33:PM
Another anomaly is the total absence on the part of both parents of any suspicion on the two group members who 'volunteered to check' 5a at 9.30pm when it was Kates time to check on the children! If Maddie had not been taken by the time Gerry left 5a, it was crucial to know the exact time Maddie went missing! Rather bizarrely the person making the check did not visually see Maddie in her bed during his 9.30am check, so the task of trying to establish the truth is further hampered...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:35:PM
I find it really hard to believe that Gerry McCann, a cardiologist who spends his working life trying to save lives could even contemplate hiding the death of his daughter and dumping her precious little body on a beach.

As difficult as it may seem, everything points to his involvement! The Smith sighting of him is compelling...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:38:PM
In the UK the recognition evidence available as a result of the Smith sighting is admissible evidence capable of showing his culpability...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:41:PM
In the UK the recognition evidence available as a result of the Smith sighting is admissible evidence capable of showing his culpability...

In my opinion Gerry was certainly carrying his daughter down that street when he passed the Smiths. Yet nowhere in his official statements or script does he allude to having done such a thing at all that evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 03:46:PM
In my opinion Gerry was certainly carrying his daughter down that street when he passed the Smiths. Yet nowhere in his official statements or script does he allude to having done such a thing at all that evening...

He only got away with being arrested in connection with Maddies disappearence because the Smiths did not come forward until four months after the event...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2017, 04:17:PM
The exact whereabouts of all interested persons in this disappearence could have been mapped using geo technology - was this ever used?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 16, 2017, 07:38:PM
In my opinion Gerry was certainly carrying his daughter down that street when he passed the Smiths. Yet nowhere in his official statements or script does he allude to having done such a thing at all that evening...
What are his alternatives for dumping the body in that case..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2017, 09:27:AM
In my opinion Gerry was certainly carrying his daughter down that street when he passed the Smiths. Yet nowhere in his official statements or script does he allude to having done such a thing at all that evening...





Mike,you're sorely wrong. Very wrong.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2017, 09:30:AM
The McCann's crime was to have left the children unattended,it stops there. They had no involvement concerning the child's disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jane on May 17, 2017, 09:40:AM
The McCann's crime was to have left the children unattended,it stops there. They had no involvement concerning the child's disappearance.

Lookout, for once you and I are in total agreement.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 17, 2017, 09:48:AM




Mike,you're sorely wrong. Very wrong.
Agreed Lookout.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:00:AM




Mike,you're sorely wrong. Very wrong.

No, I am not wrong, he knows what happened to Maddie...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 19, 2017, 09:23:AM
No, I am not wrong, he knows what happened to Maddie...





This time you are,Mike,sorry.
I remember so many men looking alike when sightings/descriptions were shown. You've only to look back at Murat,Symington,one of the doctors in the McCann party along with another. I think there were 4 lookalikes who could all have been brothers they were so similar.
Many people gave police a description of Murat on the night that Madeleine went missing,but look what happened. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 10:00:AM



This time you are,Mike,sorry.
I remember so many men looking alike when sightings/descriptions were shown. You've only to look back at Murat,Symington,one of the doctors in the McCann party along with another. I think there were 4 lookalikes who could all have been brothers they were so similar.
Many people gave police a description of Murat on the night that Madeleine went missing,but look what happened.


We will see who's wrong when they recover her remains from the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church were the parents sought refuge! Another thing which sticks in the mind, is that Gerry was captured on footage laughing joyfully on the patio on the first morning of Maddies disappearence! Laughing his head off...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 19, 2017, 11:01:AM

We will see who's wrong when they recover her remains from the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church were the parents sought refuge! Another thing which sticks in the mind, is that Gerry was captured on footage laughing joyfully on the patio on the first morning of Maddies disappearence! Laughing his head off...





Well I don't know about that,but something must have triggered it,like SJ hearing JB " laugh" on the morning after the murders ? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 06:11:PM

Well I don't know about that,but something must have triggered it,like SJ hearing JB " laugh" on the morning after the murders ?

'Stan' Jones was dishonest, he tampered with the silencer evidence, he took possession of the silencer (SBJ/1) at the scene on that first morning of the police investigation. Why did SOCO allow him to remove the silencer and a further three exhibits from the crime scene when he returned to the scene late morning? He also tampered with his pocketbook entries, he rewrote the contents to hide damning evidence to the effect that he had involvement with the silencer prior to David Boutflour finding it on 10th August 1985, a copy of the front cover of his pocketbook is available for all to see, he couldn't have got away with fabricating the contents of the re-written pocketbook without knowlege of a senior officer who was responsible for issuing Jones with the replacement pocketbook in question. There is no evidence captured on video or CCTV to prove that JB laughed at all as alluded to by 'Stan' Jones, whereas, footage exists of GM laughing his head off on the patio balcony only hours after Maddies disappearence. Where is the missing holdall?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 06:37:PM
I am more than satisfied that the Smith sighting involved GM, and he was seen carrying his daughter down in the direction of the Beach.  I'm not certain of the time referred to, or mentioned. The Smiths might have already altered their clocks or watches by the one hour difference with it being their last night in the resort! If this is what did happen, it might explain how GM could have been carrying Maddie down hill in the direction of the beach after 9pm, not after 10pm. It is very interesting to note, that Jane Tanner thought that GM had been gone an inordinate length of time from the tapas bar at the time of his 9pm check of the apartment, he didn't return to the tapas bar until around 9.30pm that evening - ample time to enable GM to carry his daughter down the hill toward the beach, conceal her body somewhere until later on and return to the tapas bar...

It would have taken him 10 minutes maximum to carry his daughter from apartment 5a down to the beach area, and slightly less than that to walk briskly back up the hill to the tapas bar, making sure he took a route which was not covered by CCTV...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 19, 2017, 06:50:PM
In a statement of Smith's,he'd stated that the figure he saw carrying a child hadn't appeared to be a tourist.
Smith had also left a pub after having several drinks,those streets aren't lit so how could he have said it was Gerry ? Had he waited until he'd got back to Dublin next day,saw the headlines and decide to join the band of the McCann bashers ?
Smith was mistaken.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:05:PM
In a statement of Smith's,he'd stated that the figure he saw carrying a child hadn't appeared to be a tourist.
Smith had also left a pub after having several drinks,those streets aren't lit so how could he have said it was Gerry ? Had he waited until he'd got back to Dublin next day,saw the headlines and decide to join the band of the McCann bashers ?
Smith was mistaken.

I know that Smith did say that the person he saw carrying the child did not appear to be a tourist, but there may be many different reasons which led him to believe this. But Smith does get the pink pyjamas which Maddie had been wearing at the time of her disappearence correct, and the fact that the child being carried was barefoot (none of Maddies shoes or slippers were missing from the apartment)! Smith also got the colour of the trousers which Gerry McCann had been wearing that evening! Smith also recognised the rather unusual manner with which the man carrying the child walked down the road and past him and the others, appearing to deliberately vert eye contact (the gait of the man carrying the child recognised months later during news footage of the McCanns disembarking a plane into the UK)! I believe the Smith sighting to be correct! I just think the timings mentioned might not be accurate (they could be out as much of one hour)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 19, 2017, 07:09:PM
Smith also stated in as many words that the manner in which the child was being carried was not that of someone who was used to carrying children.
He couldn't go any further with a description of the person carrying a child nor would he recognise the individual in person or by photograph.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:16:PM
Smith also stated in as many words that the manner in which the child was being carried was not that of someone who was used to carrying children.
He couldn't go any further with a description of the person carrying a child nor would he recognise the individual in person or by photograph.

In one of his witness statements Smith immediately recognised GM (as the man carrying the child in the pink pyjamas) upon seeing news footage which included GM carrying one of his other children off the plane upon their return to the UK! What I believe is that it was GM as seen carrying Maddie away in the direction of the beach, but the timing of the alleged sighting could be out by as much as one hour, due to the change in time zones, and the Smiths due to return to Ireland early next morning (for example, which 10pm time zone were they referring to? The Portuguese or the Irish one)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:19:PM
Then there are the deleted phone message records of the parents and Matt...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:21:PM
Then there are the deleted phone message records of the parents and Matt...

(1) - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

 More on the deleted call records
Where Was Kate McCann' (*)

The CD issued by Ministerio Publico de Portimao in July 2008, contains a great deal of information on the mobile calls made and received by the 'Tapas 9' but it is dispersed, difficult to retrieve and with important pages and charts missing. The main documents of interest from the CD are:

* A 3 page report by the Policia Judiaria (undated, but probably 4th May 2007) listing call records retrieved from the handsets of Mr and Mrs McCann
* A detailed (and excellent report) by Inspector Paulo Dias, Inspector of UNI-Sector de An'ise, Lisbon, dated 9th November 2007
* Schedules provided by Vodafone on 14th December 2007 covering a period from 29th April 2007 for Gerald McCann, David Payne, Rachael Mampilly, broken into four separate sections for incoming and outgoing telephone calls, incoming and outgoing SMS traffic
* A second report by Inspector Dias dated 5th February 2008, containing time bars, link charts and maps pinpointing where the 'Tapas 9's' sets were when they activated antennae
* A third report by Inspector Dias dated 2nd June 2008 which includes details of activations of the Luz and other mobile antenna from 28th April 2007 to September 2007
* The Rogatory Letter requests and correspondence dated from 5th December 2007 to May 2007 and responses from the Home Office in April and May 2008

The PJ used a program, called the 'Analyst's Notebook' as well as 'Excel' to handle what were very large datasets. Inspector Dias pointed out that 'Excel' was far from ideal, because of its limited capacity and it seems that much of the data provided was paper based and had to be rekeyed. Also the main focus of the research was limited to the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. But, despite the problems, the PJ's work is impressive, innovative and very detailed. For example, there is a brilliant analysis (which unfortunately led nowhere) based on the hypothesis of two abductors each working with mobiles in the Ocean Club area immediately before Madeleine was reported missing. There is another excellent piece of work which tracks down a misrouted call, from Swansea, to Kate McCann at 11.21 on Wednesday 2nd May 2007.

However, there are potentially serious omissions:

* The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their 'Arguido interviews' on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann's return to the UK in September 2007
* There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner
* When the PJ obtained the McCann's mobiles they do not appear to have retrieved deleted data or to extract their contact lists
* None of the telecom records show triangulation co-ordinates but are limited to identifying the single primary antenna on which calls were registered
* The details of over 50 UK subscribers contacted by the Tapas 9 in the critical period, as well as their onward local and international call records, was included in the Rogatory Letter request in December 2007. If this information was provided, it is not in the CD
* A critical link chart (Anexo 37) for Tuesday 1st May 2007 is missing from Inspector Dias's report

These omissions make interpretation of the data difficult but what is available provides an interesting picture. First, it is obvious that the memories in the McCanns mobiles were incomplete and, in Kate McCann's case, selectively deleted.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea 'wrong number'), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been 'whoosh-clunked' from memory. These deletions could have been accidental, but a high degree of cunning could be implied. Why would she selectively delete everything up to Thursday 3rd May 2007 with the exception of one wrong number and what was her reason for deleting three of the four calls, between 23.14 and 23.17, from her husband on that critical night'. A possible answer is that she wished to avoid alerting the PJ to evidence that details of around 40 calls had been erased and she felt happier leaving something uncontroversial (or misleading) in memory for them to find. Another answer is that, unsurprisingly, she was under the most extreme stress imaginable following the disappearance of her daughter: but why, in that case, give priority to deleting anything. It is the last thing most parents would think about in the circumstances.

The first call found in Geralds mobile memory was timed at 00.30 on Friday 4th May 2007. Again matching antenna records to memory suggests that by the time he gave the handset to the PJ the records of 24 calls or SMSs had been erased, including the one from him found on his wifes handset and timed at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007. It appears that he had deleted details of the four calls he made to her that night and she deleted just three. It was this simple discrepancy that first led the PJ to suspect interference with the handsets.

If the deletions were deliberate (and it is an 'if') it implies the McCanns were both 'forensically aware' and crafty and wanted to hide something from the PJ. For this reason, it is important to explore the call record data and to match it against other evidence.

On Saturday 28th April 2007, after their arrival in Luz, Kate McCann's mobile triggered the antenna 9 times. It is not possible to say, from the available records, whether these were incoming or outgoing calls or SMSs or for how long they lasted. The last activations were at 20.55 and 20.59 when (based on their statements) the Tapas 9 returned for an early night after eating at the Millennium Restaurant with their children. All of these records were erased from the memory of Kate McCanns mobile. Gerald McCanns mobile did not activate any of the Luz antennae that day.

On Sunday 29th April 2007, the first activation of Kate McCanns mobile was at 9.23, but again there are no Vodafone logs or time bars to provide further detail. However, by internally matching the antenna records it appears that she called her husband at 12.26 and 17.02.

The Creche records indicate that he collected Madeleine at 12.15. He also picked up the twins around 17.00 but mistakenly recorded the time as '12.30'. Chances are that the calls from Kate McCann were to check that he had picked up the kids. At 10.13 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx3899. The last activation by Kate McCanns mobile was at 19.30 and Geralds at 17.02.

A pattern on this sheet (and it applies to all of the Tapas 9) is that no activations took place at any time during the week while they were at dinner. So maybe Clarence Mitchell was right, after all, and that they were so 'into each other' that they didn't want to be disturbed while sardine munching and left their mobiles in their rooms. They were never specifically asked this question, but it is very important and the point will be addressed later.

On Monday 30th April 2007, neither of the McCanns telephones activated the Luz transmitters. This looks very odd, especially as they were around the Ocean Club to shuffle the kids to and from the creches. On this afternoon, Madeleine remained in the Creche for only 15 minutes and was picked up by her mother at 15.30. We do not know what Madeleine did for the rest of the day, but it is possible she was being fractious. Interestingly, a friend of Mrs and Mr McCann supposedly told the 'Dispatches' team that made a TV program on the tragedy, that 'Madeleine was a screamer'. This could be interpreted in one of two ways, but any use of the past tense in referring to Madeleine would be very significant. It was such a past tense referral, to her supposedly living children, that alerted the FBI to their murder by Susan Smith, their mother.

On Tuesday 1st May 2007, Gerald McCann's handset was silent all day. Kate McCanns mobile first activated the Luz antenna at 10.16, but all details of the days calls have been deleted from the handset and there is no nothing in the CD from her mobile provider. Another activation took place at 12.17. The Creche records show that Gerald McCann picked up Madeleine at 12.20 (a bit earlier than usual) but Kate McCann's call at 12.17 does not appear to have been to him, (because his mobile was not activated at all that day). Kate McCann dealt with her last call before leaving for the Tapas Bar at 20.35.

At around 8.45pm on Tuesday 1st May 2007, Miss Nejoua Chekeya, the Ocean Clubs busty Aerobics Instructor, held a 'Quiz Night' and was later invited, allegedly by Gerald McCann, to join his table which she did sometime between 9.30pm and 9.50pm. She did not say how long she had remained with them, but she is not the sort of woman men would wish see to leave too quickly. Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann.

However, both Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien have stated that he did not go to the Tapas Bar on the 'Quiz Night' (ie Tuesday 1st May 2007), but had stayed in their room looking after his sick daughter. Jane Tanner took his dinner to the room; thus explaining the unused plate setting. Russell O'Brien was not asked by either the Polícia Judiciaria or Leicestershire Police whether he had heard Madeleine crying!

Kate McCanns mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the 'Tapas 9'.

The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the 'Tapas 9' left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner. Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesperson, confirmed this. In an interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of 'The Guardian', Mr Mitchell said: 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened'. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got'

Mrs Fenn, the McCanns neighbour, reported that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying. Tuesday 1st May 2007 is the only night (except, of course, for Thursday 3rd May 2007) that either of the McCanns or any of their friends made calls after dinner.

Mrs McCann volunteered to the PJ that on the night of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she had slept in the spare bed in her childrens room because her husband had not paid her enough attention over dinner. Or put another way, does she mean the amorous Scot was paying someone else (like Miss Chekeya) too much attention, causing her to stomp out of the Tapas Bar before him: ultimately leading to the spare bed in a strop' Gerald McCann said he thought the reason his wife had slept in the childrens bedroom was because of his snoring and that he did not even bother asking her the following morning what the problem was.

Could it be that their timings are wrong by 24 hours and that Kate McCanns nocturnal shenanigans took place on the night of Tuesday 1st May 2007' It would fit, but why be untruthful about it' A possible reason is that they wanted to conceal both Kate McCanns state of mind and the fact that she had returned to Apartment 5A, just before Madeleines cried for help.

On Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Kate McCann called her friend 'Amanda' at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning: so Kate McCann was 'up with the larks'. Amanda returned the calls at 7.50. There is no record of how long any of these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs. They were all deleted from memory.

At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response.

At 11.21 Kate received a call from what appears to be a landline in Swansea ( xxxxx0023). The report by Inspector Dias researched this call in detail (Page 21 in his report of 9th November 2007) and discovered that it had not activated any of the Luz antennae. But digging deeper, he found that another UK mobile (xxxxx 1583) had triggered the Luz antenna when connecting to the same Swansea number at 14.01. He dug even deeper, tracked all of the calls made from Luz by xxxx1583 and established it had no connection whatsoever with any of the 'Tapas 9'. The Swansea call to Kate McCann was simply a 'wrong number', misrouted and thus not logged by the Luz antennae.

What Inspector Dias did not realise was that the Swansea call had become so special to Kate McCann that, when deleting all of the other Portuguese call records from memory, she decided to leave this one intact.

Gerald received five further calls from the SMS message centre and at 15.50 called 91121, probably to collect his messages. He received further calls from the centre at 17.49 and 19.49. The records provided by Vodafone show these calls but that they originate from a different mobile number (0xxxx014310)

At 20.08 Kate McCann received two calls from a UK mobile xxxx7624 and six minutes late Gerald McCann called 91121: again to collect messages before he left for the Tapas Bar. This was the last activation of the day by either of the McCanns; probably confirming that their mobiles remained in Apartment 5A when they went to dinner.

On Thursday 3rd May 2007 (the critical day) at 8.23 and 8.24 Kate McCanns mobile activated the antenna to call xxxx7624. There is nothing in file to indicate the owner of this mobile but it does not appear to be any of the McCann family or friends.

At 12.24 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK Mobile xxxx1746. Again there is no clue in the file to the subscribers name. At 12.31 Kate McCann received a call (or SMS) from her mothers mobile and responded an hour later.

Neither of the McCanns appears to have had any further activity on their telephones until after Madeleine was reported missing when Gerald McCann called his wife four times between 23.14 and 23.52. At 23.40 he called his sister ' Trish Cameron and at 23.52 -Janet Kennedy.

The batch of SMS messages received by Gerald McCann on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 seems to have caused him some anxiety. Although the number '07818520047' is in a block allocated to Vodafone, the company has no record of the subscriber's name. When the number is dialled, connection is made to a recorded message which explains that changes have been made to the way customers can access their mailboxes and that they can now dial '121' from their handset or '07836121121' from any other telephone.

Thus the number appears to be a message box for Gerald McCann that sends him an SMS when his mobile is unable to accept a call (because it is out of range or turned off). However, when he was asked by 'Expresso TV' on 6th September 2008 about the 'sixteen SMS messages' received, he flustered:

'No one has ever asked to see any of my text messages. There is no way that there 16 messages on that day or even the day after, you know. You know, the day after, you know that we got'' Kate McCann came to his rescue and interrupted; 'Gerry hardly ever sends text messages until the day after, the day after Madeleine was taken'. Gerald McCann continued: 'so you know that it is actually rubbish'

Their McCann's denials were, of course, technically true although perhaps disingenuous - because there were only 14 messages received on the day before they reported Madeleine missing and two on the day after.

There were 16 SMS messages, in total, so why prevaricate and deny an allegation that was never made. The question was about received messages, not those sent, and on the day before not on 3rd May 2007 or the day after! In the field of forensic linguistics you must always concentrate on the precise wording of denials and especially on those of allegations not made. The denials made by the McCanns are suspicious. However, Mrs McCanns statement about her husband not sending SMS messages, until after Madeleines disappearance, is confirmed by Vodafones records.

Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephones memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wifes handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleines attendance at the 'Lobsters' creche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleines 'disappearance'; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.

Of course, this is speculation and it is entirely possible that further investigation and the much awaited transparency by Mr and Mrs McCann will totally exonerate them. But why dont they simply produce the SMS messages and explain why call details were deleted'

By Paulo Reis and associates

(*) This report is a result of cooperation with a leading international investigative firm that is in the closing stages of an 18 month intensive investigation that is expected to reopen the case in Portugal and to start new proceedings in the UK.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:24:PM
Here are the logs:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:41:PM
Kate McCanns first witness statement:- 4th May 2007..

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Kate's interview took place on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, 04/05/07 at 2.20pm.

On the subject of the proceedings:

The interviewee was heard as a victim, being the mother of the minor. Of British nationality, she has no command of the Portuguese language, spoken or written. Thus, the interview was done in the presence of an interpreter: Natalia C.F. de A. The interviewee says she has been married to Gerald since December 1998. She has never been to Portugal before. The trip came at the suggestion of friends, who convinced them, at the end of last year, to spend their holiday in Portugal. The trip was organised by David Payne, who made the Praia da Luz Ocean Club reservation on the Internet for the interviewee and her husband, as well as for the rest of the group, a total of 9 adults and eight children, including her daughter Madeleine. She has known some members of the group since the year 2000 and others for a year. She was a colleague of David's wife.

They travelled in two separate groups. One of the groups was composed of the interviewee, her husband Gerald, their three children, David and his wife, the mother-in-law and their two children. One of the groups left from Leicestershire and the other from London.

The meeting point was the Ocean Club where the interviewee's group arrived on Saturday April 28th at around 3pm from Faro airport in an airport mini bus. The other group arrived on the same day, late morning.

After checking in, the interviewee and her family were placed in apartment G5A. The nuclear family comprises the interviewee, her husband, her daughter Madeleine and twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 2 years.
The apartment has two beds in one bedroom, and two in another where there are also two cots on loan from the Ocean Club.

The interviewee and her husband sleep in one bedroom and the three children in the other. The twins sleep in cots, Madeleine in a normal bed, the other bed staying empty.

Between the day of the arrival, April 28th, and the time that Madeleine's disappearance was discovered, the interviewee says that she noticed nothing unusual. She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She thought her daughter's comment strange because it was the first time she had talked about it.

The routines

The day after their arrival, they went for breakfast at around 7.30/8.30 at the Ocean Club, in a bar situated some distance from the apartment. On the following days, because the bar was quite far away, they started buying supplies from the "BAPTISTE" supermarket, located on the same road as the apartment and they had their first meal of the day in the apartment.

After breakfast, at around 9/9.30am, the children went to the club called the "KIDS CLUB" where they did various activities such as painting, collage etc. They stayed there until around 12.30pm, constantly supervised by several Ocean Club employees in a ratio of three children to one employee. Within the "Kids Club" because of the difference in ages, the twins were in one group and Madeleine in another, with separate activities.

At 12.30pm, the parents would collect their children and have lunch in their apartment since they have provisions. After lunch, at around 1.30pm, the children spend time close to the club's swimming pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they play and have sun cream applied. After this time, they take the children to the "Kids Club" until around 5/5.30pm, the time when the children eat in a bar under the watchful gaze of the parents. After the 5pm dinner, they give the children a bath, prepare them for the night and let them play for a while in a playground next to the tennis courts, still and always under parental supervision. At around 8pm, the children are put to bed until the following morning when the described routines start all over again. While the children are at the "Kids Club," the interviewee played tennis with her husband, went for walks, read or went "Jogging."


Thursday May 3rd 2007
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 8.30pm, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Faced with this situation,she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband and the others to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, when she went to her apartment to see her children at around 9.15pm, saw from the back [rear] about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person, in what she thinks were jeans, with a child in his arms and walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself.

Comment: (from AnnaEsse.) are a couple of words missing from this last paragraph' Should it read, "Later, Jane.....said she saw..."' Or is there another way I can translate, "Plus tard," in that context'


Concerning Madeleine, she is Caucasian, white, aged four years (12/05/2003) about 90cm tall. Very slim, dark blond hair; shoulder-length. Left eye blue-green same as the right, which has a brown spot. She has a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg as well as sunburn on her right forearm. She has no scars. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas with white bottoms with a floral pattern. The short-sleeved top, mainly pink with a blue-grey figure of a donkey bearing the inscription, "EEYORE," an inscription which is also on one of the trouser legs. The pyjamas are "Marks and Spencer" brand.

Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger. She has no suspicions to talk about, finds no reason for this act, neither she nor her husband has enemies. She states that her daughter has no illnesses and is not on any medication.

Following a request from the inspector, she authorises a reading of the calls on her mobile phone. Apart from the Kids Club and the apartment, they only went once to the beach with Madeleine and the other children and only for a very short period of time, since the weather was changeable. They could only go to the beach between 1.30 and 3pm, the time when they went back to the club. At the beach, they only ate an ice cream then they went back to the apartment. Apart from that, on the Wednesday or Thursday, Madeleine and the other children went sailing at the beach five minutes on foot from the club, for an hour, organised by the resort itself. The supervision and planning were the responsibility of the club. The interviewee and her husband were not present. She never noticed any strange behaviour during these recent days which could explain the disappearance. After having been shown the list of the Ocean Club's guests, she says she only knows the names of those of the group. Other than the child, nothing else has disappeared, neither clothes nor the child's jewellery. (' parures') The interviewee did not have an intercom, unlike David and Fiona Payne who were able to hear crying or any kind of noise. She has nothing else to add. After having read the deed, she confirms it, ratifies it and signs it with the interpreter.

Enfants Kidnapp' 26/08/08
1804 Consent from Kate McCann for DNA analysis of swab 2007.05.10
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I, Kate Marie Healy...................................hereby declare my authorisation, for the purposes of DNA examination, that a mouth swab be taken from me at the Portimao DIC.

Portimao, 10th May 2007


Signed

K. Healy
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:45:PM
Kate McCanns second witness statement, dated, 6th September, 2007...

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Kate Marie Healy's statement 06/09/07 @ 3.00pm

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KATE MARIE HEALY ' STATEMENT
(from DVD)

September 6/2007 3pm at Portimao

Of British nationality, cannot speak or write Portuguese, therefore an interpreter is present taken from a list provided by the Consulate, ADSR.
Also present Carlos Pinto de Abreu, attorney.
KMH confirms all of what was stated before the Policy on May 4, 2007, the day following the events under investigation.

When asked about May 1, 2007 (holiday), she says that on that day they left the apartment around 8:30PM, the same time that was repeated every night. This time was marked at the restaurant as the beginning of dinner, except Saturday, arrival day, when they had dinner at the Millenium. On this day, May 1, the children were asleep, as she put them to bed around 7:15/7:30 and was sure they were sleeping.

They arrived at the Tapas around 8:31, taking the direct route, i.e. left by the veranda door, went down to the road and entered the secondary reception of the complex. As they left by the veranda door, this door remained closed but not locked, as this is only possible from the inside. The curtains were closed.

When they arrived at the Tapas, she thinks that nobody from the group was there, but is not sure.

During dinner, every half hour they went to the apartment to check on the children. This was done by KM and Gerry. Does not remember if on this night any of their friends went to the apartment. States that Russell was not present during dinner, so his wife Jane, or somebody took him dinner to the flat. The reason for his absence was that their youngest daughter was sick.

Finished dinner around 11 PM, and together with Gerry, left for the apartment.

She thinks they went to the flat four times: Gerry twice and she twice. Approx. 9, 9:30, 10, and 10:30PM.

When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on the night of the Tuesday for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45, she says it is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, and sleep with her and Gerry in their room. She says that before Madeleine appeared in their room, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine went to the room almost at the same time she head the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she or Gerry went to the childrens' room, however she states that Amelie cried for a short time.

She says that on that night the twins slept in the room where Madeleine slept, each in their own crib.

Regarding the layout of the apartment, she says that on the first day the moved the furniture: they moved the two cribs out of their room and put them in another, where the children were to sleep; they separated the two twin beds in this room. They also joined the two single beds that were in their room. She presumes that the cribs, when in their room, remained at the foot of the beds.

She also says that when she arrived there weren't two but three cribs in the same place, one was lent to the Payne family.

When shown a diagram of the room (attached), she said the cribs were located at point A, chair B at point C, and the cribs in Madeleine's room were placed horizontally.

Regarding cleaning, this was provided by the complex on Mondays and Wednesdays. This was never modified, and it is not true that a crib was in her room or in a room other than Madeleine's.

She also says that after the day they arrived, April 28, this was the layout of the furniture and this was not altered during the forthcoming days.

When asked if she ever slept in Madeleine's room, she says that this happened on the Wednesday, because she was annoyed with Gerry. He ignored her after dinner when they went to the Tapas bar, which only happened that day. She decided to retaliate by sleeping in the other room, in the bed next to the window. She doesn't know if Gerry realized this because he was sleeping when she left, and if in fact her husband was aware of this, he made no comment.


Regarding this night she says that none of the children cried, she would have noticed as she was in the room. Regarding the fact that Madeleine on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment. When she asked Madeleine about this however, the child gave no importance to the matter. On this night they also checked on the children every half hour; however she thinks that 45 minutes had gone by from the time of the last check to when they arrived, as exceptionally they went to the Tapas bar. On this day she thinks that Gerry arrived at the apartment around 23:50 and she arrived 5 minutes afterwards. She went to sleep in Madeleine's room 15/20 minutes afterwards. Before this she spent a few minutes in her bed next to Gerry's.

From reading her previous statement, mainly lines 34-40 it can be understood that on the Wednesday night she slept in the couple's bedroom, but that did not happen since she slept in Madeleine's room.

When asked if Madeleine slept in their room, she says yes, as mentioned, on the Tuesday night.

When asked about the schedule of her children she says that in England Madeleine slept in a room by herself and the twins slept in another room. At home the twins go to bed between 7 and 7.30 PM, Madeleine half an hour later. During the holidays, the three children went to bed at 7:30PM. She says that during the holidays it is relatively easy to put the three children to sleep when they had not slept during the day and were tired after the day's activities. When on holiday the twins and Madeleine went to sleep at the same time. They never went out to eat unless the three were actually asleep. Normally when they left the apartment the three children had been asleep close to 1 hour. With the exception of what has been described above, during the holidays, she does not remember if any of the children was awake during the night. However, in England Madeleine sometimes woke up during the night, around 2 ' 2:30 AM and went to her parents. During holidays it was normal for the children to be awake by 7:30/8:00, in England, at home, they would normally wake between 7 and 7:30 AM.

Regarding a British custom of having a behaviour chart for the children, she says that she has several notes about Madeleine because with some regularity she gets up during the night. This situation was reported from April 2006 up to her birthday that same year, when she stopped having this problem. These notes correspond to the stars given on the nights Madeleine did not get up and go to her parents' room. When she had 20 stars she got a present and if she woke up at night and did not stay in her bed, she did not get a star.

During these holidays Madeleine usually slept clutching a soft toy, a pink cat, and sometimes wrapped in a pink blanket. Sometimes she slept on top of the bedcover and at other times was covered with it. When shown a photo of Madeleine's room and bed, she recognizes the soft toy and the blanket of the same colour.

The interview was stopped at 5PM for a rest period, to be recommenced at 5:15 PM.

On May 3 they all woke between 7;30 and 8:00 AM; doesn't know who woke first. They washed the children and had breakfast at the apartment between 08:00 and 08:30 AM. Food bought by her and Gerry at Baptista supermarket. Previously they'd had breakfast at the Millenium, but as it was so far they'd decided to have breakfast at the apartment. During breakfast the 'crying episode', already described, took place. She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine's pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry.

After breakfast they got dressed and left the apartment by the main door. All children went walking. The veranda door was closed and locked; she doesn't know whether the main door was locked or unlocked.

After leaving the apartment they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas; at the same time she supposes that Gerry took Madeleine to the creche next to the 24-hour reception area.

Once the children had been delivered, they went to the tennis courts for a scheduled tennis lesson. Kate's group lesson was at 9:15, Gerry's an hour later. She doesn't know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment. When her lesson ended at 10:15, she went to the recreation area next to the swimming pool to talk to Russell until Gerry's lesson was over. Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine's creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. She signed the register and went to the twins' creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him. Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes. After finishing lunch they stayed for a while at the apartment, then they went to the recreation area next to the pool, as the children were somewhat restless, maybe tired or bored. They remained at this area an hour, maybe more, then they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other creche. They went via a path in front of the small reception and then through gardens and stairs, taking a short cut. This route was the one mentioned by Gerry.

After leaving Madeleine around 2:50 PM, they both had, this one time, an individual tennis lesson just for the two of them, and as the court was empty, they began hitting some b*lls until it was time for their lesson.

She doesn't remember if they were wearing appropriate clothes or if they went to the apartment to change.

The lesson ended an hour afterwards, close to 4:30PM. Gerry continued playing tennis with a guest called Jxxxxn who belonged to his tennis group, while she went for a jog along the beach, for around half an hour. She saw the others of the group, children and grownups; she was disappointed as nobody had told her they were going to the beach and Madeleine would have loved to have gone with them. She cannot confirm whether she went to the apartment between the tennis game and the jog.

When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn't, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered by the same door.

After the children's bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.

While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6:30/6:40PM and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the veranda door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who it was. This door was closed but not locked as Gerry had left by this door. She confirmed it was David Payne, because he called out and had opened the door slightly. David's visit was to help her to take the children to the recreation area. When David returned from the beach he was with Gerry at the tennis courts, and it was Gerry who asked him to help Kate with taking the children to the recreation area, which had been arranged but did not take place. David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn't actually enter the flat, he remained at the veranda door. According to her he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6:30-6:40PM.

After David left, Kate dressed and sat with the children, Madeleine on her lap. She was wearing a top, she doesn't remember what colour it was, a green long-sleeved t-shirt, blue denim pants. Trainers (tennis shoes) and white socks.

She read a story to the children in the living room, on the sofa in front of the door to the veranda, identified on the diagram with the letter D. At 7:00 PM Gerry arrived and entered via the veranda door. He sat on the sofa identified with letter E. Doesn't know if the story was finished, but thinks she was sitting on the sofa.

She doesn't remember having changed the layout of the furniture in the living room, the sofas, the table or others. She says that the sofa (letter E) supposedly was against the side window, because she doesn't remember anyone having gone behind it. She does not know if this window was open or closed, she does not remember it ever being open, or of it being watched.

After Gerry arrived the children went to wash their teeth and she then read them another story, this time all four of them sitting on Madeleine's bed. She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed. During the story Madeleine was lying on the pillow, alert and paying attention to the story. After both twins kissed Madeleine, she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each (Kate and Gerry) placed a twin in its crib at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed next to the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold. She normally clutched the soft toy and if she wasn't holding it then it was next to her, on the left. She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, to cover her. The twins were laid down on their backs, covered with open weave blankets. She says that she doesn't know if the children were in the same positions when they left the apartment.

It was around 7:15PM when they put the children to bed and checked they were sleeping, she says she is sure of this.

As the children were asleep, she dried her hair and put on make up. Gerry maybe had a shower and they sat on one of the sofas in the living room, she doesn't know which. She had a glass of wine, poured by Gerry, and he had wine or beer. The wine was from New Zealand, white.

Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and trainers (tennis shoes). She doesn't remember what else he was wearing.

They talked while they drank. Around 8:30-8:35 they left for the Tapas restaurant. Before leaving they checked on the children, she doesn't know who; however Gerry says it was him. She only knows the children were quiet. She doesn't know if they were in their same positions. She says she is sure that they were asleep, because Gerry told her all was quiet.

They left by the veranda door, which they left closed but not locked. Main door was closed but not locked. She thinks it could be opened from the inside but not from the outside. She thinks she was wearing a cream coloured polar fleece with a zip, and on top a blue raincoat also with a zip. As regards Gerry, she doesn't know if he was wearing other items of clothing.

With respect to the objects she says they took with them: their mobile phones. Gerry might have taken a wallet with money. Not sure if they took a camera.

Regarding the apartment: windows were closed but she doesn't know if they were locked. Veranda window closed but not locked, curtains closed. The second window in the living room was probably closed, she did not touch it and does not know if the blinds were closed. The kitchen window was probably closed but with the blinds open as there was light in the kitchen.

The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window blinds in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open.

The window in Kate's room was closed and she admits they used the blinds, because Gerry broke them and they were repaired on the Monday; the incident occurred on Sunday.

Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.

The interview was stopped at around 8PM for a rest period and food; it was recommenced at 10:00PM.

K says that on the 3rd they left the apartment leaving the children sleeping. Knowing that Madeleine sometimes woke and got up, she did not worry about leaving her alone, because when this happened, and it wasn't always, it was around 2 ' 3 AM at which time they would be back in the apartment.

They left the apartment between 8:30-8:35PM, and headed straight for the Tapas where they arrived 1 minute later maximum. None of the group were at the Tapas because they were usually the first to arrive, but she isn't sure this was the case every night. There was a couple there who they knew, S and C xxxx who belonged to Gerry's tennis group. They talked with them for a few moments before sitting down. Meanwhile, while they talked to S and C the rest of their group arrived and sat down at a round table, where they sat every day. Order of arrival: Kate and Gerry, Jane alone, Mathew and Rachel, Russell, and then she thinks David, Fiona and Diane. She makes a sketch of the table and says that both she and Gerry were not facing the apartments. Sketch attached.

Dinner began around 9PM, and she thinks the nine adults were at the table. She ate steak and maybe sardines. Drank white wine and water.

She doesn't know if anyone took photographs that night, however she thinks that Rachel took photos on one of the nights. Fiona also took some photos but she thinks it was probably another night. She doesn't know whether Fiona had a camera with her that night. She remembers hearing a comment that night about a camera being forgotten, but she doesn't know who said this or who the camera belonged to.

Gerry was the first one to check on the children, this was decided on the spot, close to 9-9:05PM. He got up from the table and entered the apartment through the veranda door. He came back to the table after 10 minutes; he implied that the children were asleep. He'd met a tennis friend by the name of Jez, with whom he had a chat. During this check, she thinks that Gerry did not check on the children of any other couple, because it was usual just to check on their own children. The deponent never checked on any other child, other than her own.

At 9:30PM she got up to go and check on her children at the same time as Mathew, who said he was going to check on his daughter Grace in apartment 5B and could check on her children. She hesitated, however he said not to worry he was going anyway.

After less than 10 minutes Mathew returned to the Tapas, saying all was quiet. At that moment she did not ask him if he went inside the apartment, however she assumed he had checked on her children, entering by the veranda door which was closed but not locked.

Aside from Matt, she does not remember if anyone else got up from the table.

At 10PM she got up from the table, as it was her turn after having been replaced by Matt. She entered the apartment by the veranda door which was closed, but as already said, not locked.

At this moment, and because it was so late, 11 PM, the interview was interrupted and will be continued tomorrow morning.

She says nothing further. Reads the statement, finds it OK and signs it together with the Interpreter and Attorney.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 07:48:PM
Kate McCann - the questions...

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Kate Marie Healy's statement 07 Sep 07 @ 11am
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AUTO FOR questioning an ARGUIDO [Defendant]
Date: 2007/09/07 Time: 11:00 AM Place: DIC PORTIMAO.
Officer performing: Paulo Ferreira, Joao Carlos and Ricardo Paiva, Inspectors.

Name: KATE MARIE HEALY

Asked if she wished to respond on the facts that are imputed, she responded:

--- That being of British nationality she does not know Portuguese, in its oral and written form, therefore an interpreter is present selected by the defendant from the list provided by the Consulate, Armanda Duarte Salbany Russell, contactable by telephone 282,48#####.

--- In this action there is also present the representative of the defendant Dr. Carlos Pinto de Abreu, the CP 9786L

--- She comes to the file now as a defendant, it being explained to her the rights and duties that assist her, along with her being subject to the TIR.

--- It is put to her the facts about her, she said she does not wish to make statements.

--- Asked, on May 03, 2007, at 22:00, when she entered the apartment what she saw and did, where he looked, and what she touched [handled], she did not respond.


--- If she looked inside the cupboard of the couple's bedroom, she said No in response. Shown two photographs of the cupboard of her bedroom, and asked for a description of the contents, she did not respond.

--- Asked for what reason the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window, the photograph of which was shown to her, is moved [disordered], she did not respond. She did not respond to the question if someone [anyone] had passed [had gone; had walked] behind that sofa.
[NOTE: ?Passed? here is a physical movement, not metaphysical as in 'died']

--- Asked how much time it took for the search that she made in the apartment after the detection of the disappearance of her daughter MADELEINE, she did not respond.

--- Asked why she said from the outset that MADELEINE was kidnapped [abducted], she did not respond.

--- On the assumption that Madeleine had been kidnapped [abducted], why she left the twins alone at home to go to the Tapas to give [raise] the alarm, yet [while] the supposed kidnapper [abductor] could still be in the apartment, she did not respond. Why she had not asked the twins at that time what had happened to their sister, or why she had not asked them later, she did not respond.

--- Questioned when she gave the alarm in the Tapas what she said specifically, what words she used, she did not respond.

--- Asked about what happened after giving the alarm at Tapas, she did not respond. Asked [word missing; presumed to be ?se?] if she had any mobile phone, with her at that moment, she did not respond. Asked why she went to warn [inform] her friends instead of shouting from the balcony, she did not respond.

--- Asked who contacted the authorities, she did not respond. Asked who participated in the [words missing; presumed to be ?buscas. NAo?] searches, she did not respond. Asked if anyone outside the group knew, in the following moments [at the time], of the disappearance of MADELEINE, she did not respond.

--- Asked if any female neighbour offered her assistance after the alarm of the disappearance, she did not respond.

--- Asked what the expression "we let her down" means, she did not respond.

--- Asked if JANE told her about having seen a man with a child, on that night, she did not respond.

--- Asked how the authorities were contacted and that police force was alerted, she did not respond.

--- Asked, during the searches already with the police presence [after the police arrived], in what places she went [and] looked for MADELEINE, how and in what way [manner], she did not respond. Asked why the twins did not [word missing; presumed to be ?acordavam?] wake up during this search, or when they went to the floor above, she did not respond.
--- Asked whom she telephoned after the facts [events], she did not respond. Asked if she called "Sky News" she did not respond. Asked about the danger of calling the news media alerting them of the abduction, because it could influence the kidnapper [abductor], she did not respond.
--- Asked if they requested the presence of a priest, she did not respond.
--- Asked what was the manner of divulging the face of MADELEINE, if photographs or other, she did not respond.

--- Asked if it is true that during the search she sat on her bed in her bedroom without moving, she did not respond.

--- Asked what was her behaviour during that night, she did not respond. And asked if she had managed [been able to] to sleep, she did not respond.

--- Asked if before the trip to Portugal she made a comment of [about] a bad feeling [presentiment] or bad omens, she did not respond.
--- Asked about the behaviour of MADELEINE she did not respond. Asked if she suffered from any infirmity [illness] or took medication, she did not respond. Asked what was MADELEINE's relationship with the siblings, friends and school colleagues, she did not respond.

--- Asked about her professional life, and in how many hospitals and in which she had worked, she did not respond. Being a doctor, and asked about her speciality, she did not respond. Asked about if she worked in shifts, in emergencies [the emergency section of a hospital] or other services she did not respond. If she worked every day, she did not respond. Asked if at a particular time she stopped working and why, she did not respond.

--- Asked whether or not it is true that the twins have difficulty sleeping, that they are restless and that that causes her uneasiness, she did not respond.

--- Asked whether or not it is true that at certain times she felt desperate [driven to despair; angered; exasperated] by the attitude of the children and that that left her much disquiet [unease], she did not respond.

--- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.

--- Asked if at home (England) she gave medication to the children and what kind of medication, she did not respond.

--- In this 'auto' [official document recording an official action] there were shown several films of canine inspections, forensic in character, where can be seen the marking by them of indications of human cadaver smell and blood traces also human, and solely human, as well as the comments of the expert responsible for that inspection activity.

--- The viewing ended and after signs of cadaver odour in her bedroom next to the cupboard and behind the sofa against the window of the living room, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

--- Also signalled, now by the dog of the detection of human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

--- Signalled the cadaver odour in the car that they rented about one month after the disappearance, registration 59-DA-27, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

--- Signalled the presence of human blood in the trunk of the same vehicle, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.
--- Confronted with the result of the collection of DNA from MADELEINE, which analysis was carried out by a British laboratory, from behind the sofa and trunk of the vehicle, situations previously described, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

--- Asked if she had any responsibility or involvement in the disappearance of her daughter MADELEINE, she did not respond.

--- Asked if she is aware that her failure to respond to the questions put in the cause of the investigation, which seeks to know what happened to her daughter, she replied that yes, if the investigation so thinks.

--- Asked if she has anything to add, she responded negatively.

--- The floor being given to the distinguished advocate, he said he had nothing to say [discuss] or to request.

--- At 14H30 this interview was ended.
And nothing more said, this document is read thought to be correct, she ratifies and is going to sign, together with the defence attorney and interpreter.

E&OE
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 08:00:PM
The following extract taken from Kate McCanns first witness statement, dated, 4th May 2007, jumps out at me, forcing me to ponder and contemplate, why Matt Oldfield should have taken it upon himself to do the 9.30pm check on the McCanns apartment, without her seemingly knowing about it by the time it had occurred, or by the time she made her first witness statement? The first impression which springs to my mind, is that for one reason or another, Matt Oldfields intervention at say 9.30pm, was designe to delay Kate from checking on the children herself, buying time for Maddies body to have been disposed of from the apartment! Kate says she was due to make the 9.30pm check, so Gerry McCann would have known this, and I suspect he got Matt to make the check to buy himself valuable time in distancing himself from Maddie having been taken from the apartment by himself after 9pm. By the time Kate went to the apartment at 10pm, Gerry had created for himself an alibi, because Matt Oldfield had checked the apartment and had not noticed anything untoward during his 9.30pm check...

'Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 08:09:PM

'Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine'.

Yet, if GM had already removed his daughter from the apartment half an hour or so beforehand. everything would not have been fine! Matt Oldfield cannot categorically state that Maddie was still present in the bedroom at the time of his check, because he did not look inside the bedroom itself!  Why then, if the purpose of entering apartment 5a was to check on the children, did Matt Oldfield fail to make such a check? More puzzling, why if Kate knew after discovering that Matt had only entered the apartment and not physically looked into the bedroom containing the three children, had she not thought to immeditely go her apartment to check on her children herself at 9.30pm, for her own piece of mind? Why wait a further 30 minutes before she went to check the children in her apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 08:17:PM
There are a huge number of questions which for a decade have still not yet been thoroughly or properly answered or investigated...

Lets take Matt Oldfields visit to apartment 5a - was the bedroom door almost closed when he listened in for any noises? Or was the door wide open? Did he notice the bedroom curtains flailing around, or that the bedroom window was open, and the steel window shutter raised? Was the front door at the road side of the apartment unlocked, and or open?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 08:25:PM
There are a huge number of questions which for a decade have still not yet been thoroughly or properly answered or investigated...

Lets take Matt Oldfields visit to apartment 5a - was the bedroom door almost closed when he listened in for any noises? Or was the door wide open? Did he notice the bedroom curtains flailing around, or that the bedroom window was open, and the steel window shutter raised? Was the front door at the road side of the apartment unlocked, and or open?

Which route did Matt Oldfield take to first of all go and check his own apartment, and then the McCanns?  Did one part of his journey take him along the road side footpath at the rear of apartment 5a, and did he take the footpath on the poolside of apartment 5a when checking the McCanns apartment? If he had at some stage taken the roadside path of the apartment (5a) had he noticed the steel shutter to the bedroom where the McCann children were purportedly sleeping was raised, or the bedroom window open? How did Matt Oldfield know which bedroom all the children were sleeping in? Since, there is evidence elsewhere that Maddie had slept in her parents bedroom previously?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 08:31:PM
The key to unravelling the truth in this matter, involves the circumstances of the three timed checks at apartment 5a, involving (9pm, 9.30pm, and 10pm) Gerry McCann, Matt Oldfield and his companion, and Kate McCann! The mystery of Maddies disappearence can be solved by a detailed study of the lies told by one party or another, regarding the roles they purportedly played in this matter!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 08:40:PM
The key to unravelling the truth in this matter, involves the circumstances of the three timed checks at apartment 5a, involving (9pm, 9.30pm, and 10pm) Gerry McCann, Matt Oldfield and his companion, and Kate McCann! The mystery of Maddies disappearence can be solved by a detailed study of the lies told by one party or another, regarding the roles they purportedly played in this matter!

I feel 100 percent that Gerry McCan had involvement in his daughters death and her disappearence! I also am certain that one or more of the so called tapas 9 group also played a key role in her death, the thoughts and feelings about which I shall endevour to touch upon in due course! The best way I can descibe my way of thinking in this matter, where a group of individuals will stick up for one another, back each other up, no matter what, is akin to the way corrupted police officers stick together and back each other up, or to a similar, or a lesser extent, how family and friends tell lies to back eachother up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 08:43:PM
A voice of reason from within tells me that the sedative used to subdue Maddie which killed her, was provided to the McCanns by another member of the tapas 9 group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 19, 2017, 08:55:PM
A voice of reason from within tells me that the sedative used to subdue Maddie which killed her, was provided to the McCanns by another member of the tapas 9 group...
But the McCanns were both doctors, Kate was a GP therefore would have knowledge of sedatives and their effect on a child of 4.  I don't believe for one minute that they would have taken a sedative prescribed to a different child and given it to her unless they were absolutely certain it was safe. The most common stronger sedative for children would be baby valium, can't remember it's medical name but it's safe for babies to take so it wouldn't kill a 4 year old.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: JackieD on May 19, 2017, 09:12:PM
But the McCanns were both doctors, Kate was a GP therefore would have knowledge of sedatives and their effect on a child of 4.  I don't believe for one minute that they would have taken a sedative prescribed to a different child and given it to her unless they were absolutely certain it was safe. The main stronger sedative for children would be baby valium, can't remember it's medical name but it's safe for babies to take so it wouldn't kill a 4 year old.

I don't know too much about this case but Maddie dying of a sedative seems a far better scenario than other conclusion
It's such a sad case and probably one that will never be solved

If her parents harmed her by accident they will pay the price ever single day
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:13:PM
Maddie The Truth of the Lie

02.17 - On the 3rd of May 2007, a child that was sleeping with her siblings was abducted. This is the version of the crime that we got used to accepting as the only possible one. But is it the true one? Or does this version hide a crime that many want to conceal?

02.39 - There is a kind of need to stifle the case, to silence the case. I remember that several people were affected, English policemen are forbidden from speaking out, other witnesses like Martin Smith are somewhat afraid, and several persons… This is a case where some people are still afraid or they are even prevented from speaking.

03.01 – The Reconstitution

03.04 – What we are preparing has never been done before. We took the former PJ coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, to the crime scene, to show what happened to Madeleine McCann. This reconstitution is going to allow us to understand who told the truth, and who didn’t. We are going to find out what happened on the night that Maddie disappeared forever. Strangely, the judicial investigation was never able to carry out the reconstitution of what happened.

03.33 – The reconstitution wasn’t carried out because there were some who defended that would be equal to considering the family to be suspects, as well as the risk of flight. Since the beginning, the Polícia Judiciária was pressured not to investigate this case like any other case. There was media exposure, a political and diplomatic climate that made the investigation much more difficult.

03.52 – Madeleine McCann was only days away from her 4th birthday when she disappeared. The last time that she was seen in public was at 5.30 p.m. on the 3rd of May 2007. Her mother, Kate McCann, picked her up at the crèche. The exit record shows the time.

04.14 – At the same time, the father, Gerald McCann, played tennis only a few hundreds of metres away. The tenniscourt timesheet and his statement to the police confirm that Gerald only left at 7 p.m. On the same afternoon, the family’s friends had tea at the Paraíso restaurant. The cctv camera images prove that the men left the restaurant at 6.13 p.m., and the women left 15 minutes later. One of them, David Payne, met up with Gerald McCann at the tennis court. According to Payne’s statement to the Polícia Judiciária, he asked him where Kate was, and then headed for the apartment that had been rented by the McCann family, where he arrived at around 6.30 p.m.

05.00 – In later questionings, the testimonies diverge. Gerald McCann says that David Payne stayed at the McCanns’ apartment for 30 minutes. His wife, Kate, guarantees it was only 30 seconds. At that time, Kate was bathing the twins and Madeleine.

05.21 - It was shortly after 8.40 p.m. that the English nine friends went for dinner at the Tapas bar. The restaurant is approximately 50 metres away, as the crow flies, from the apartments where 8 children remained alone. In apartment 5A, Madeleine McCann and the twins, Amelie and Sean, were sleeping.

05.44 - At around 10 p.m., Kate McCann, Maddie’s mother, raised the alarm. Maddie was not in the room. At around 10.40 p.m., the GNR in Lagos received a phone call, saying that a little girl had disappeared from the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz.

06.04 – According to the testimony of the Ocean Club’s manager, when the GNR patrol arrived on location, the child’s father threw himself at the officers’ feet, like a praying Arab, completely out of control over his daughter’s disappearance. The same scene was repeated, according to the officers, in the couple’s bedroom.

06.23 – It was past midnight when the GNR warned the Polícia Judiciária. I was immediately informed and took the appropriate measures. Searches were carried out in the region, the Spanish authorities were warned, and the borders were controlled. The largest search operation ever to be carried out in Portugal was organised.

06.40 - During several days, hundreds of officers from the GNR, firemen, volunteers, and members of the Polícia Judiciária thoroughly search(ed) over 200 square kilometres. A gigantic search operation. No search in Portugal had ever included such means and so many people. Everything is checked, and checked again. The borders are watched, all sorts of vehicles are searched. The effort does not succeed. The child doesn’t appear.

Guilhermino Encarnação
Joint PJ Director

07.08 – Until we have evidence that in fact the worst may have happened to her, we continue to think that she may be – that she may be alive. As you know, under the Portuguese juridical order, it is not only abduction that gives a ransom. If someone takes a person for a sexual act, that is also an abduction. It is on that basis that we are hopeful.

07.30 – The child’s parents, Gerald McCann, aged 39, Kate Healy, 39; the couple David Payne, 41, Fiona Payne, 35, and her mother, Dianne Webster, 63; the couple Matthew Oldfield, 38, Rachel Mampilly, 37; and the couple Russell O’Brien, 37, Jane Tanner, 36, are questioned for the first time by the Polícia Judiciária.

07.57 – During the first week, we interviewed hundreds of persons. The family, the friends, the resort’s employees, and all the persons who had contact with the child. From this first batch of testimonies, we obtained an outline of what happened that night.

08.12 – It was on the back of one of Madeleine’s books that, on the night of the crime, family and friends wrote down the collective versions of that same night; the draft was used to match the depositions from the nine British friends about what happened. According to that version, which will later be confirmed during questioning, at 8.45 p.m. the McCanns enter the restaurant, and then the other couples arrive. Dinner evolves normally. Given the fact that the children are alone in the apartments, the families take turns in checking the children.

08.45 – At around 9.05 p.m., Matt checks the windows of the various apartments, and finds everything quiet and the windows closed. Between 9.05 and 9.10 p.m., Gerald McCann goes to the apartment, asserts that he entered through the front door, and enters the children’s bedroom. Everything seems well to him. At a later point in time, Gerald will say that he sensed that a stranger was inside the room.

09.10 – When he leaves, he meets English tv producer Jeremiah, who walks his child to fall asleep. He remains talking to him under the apartment’s living room window. At around 9.10 p.m., Jane Tanner goes to check her children, and to check the other apartments. On her way to 5D, she passes Gerald and Jeremiah. Jane will later tell the authorities that she saw a stranger carrying a child in his arms, on Agostinho da Silva Street.

09.39 - At 9.30, Russell and Matt check all the apartments. Matt looks through the door of the McCann children’s bedroom. From that standpoint, he can only see the twins. Russell remains to take care of his sick daughter. At 9.50 p.m., Russell returns to the Tapas.

09.58 - On the same night, on the other side of Aldeia da Luz, the Smith family – four adults and five children – have just paid for their dinner at the Dolphins restaurant. The credit card receipt was clocked at 9.27 p.m. on the 3rd of May 2007. The Smiths go out for a drink at Kelly’s bar. They don’t take long.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:21:PM
10.18 – It’s around 9.50 p.m. when they start walking towards the Estrela da Luz resort. When they cross 25 de Abril Street, arriving at Escola Primária Street, they have just walked 30 metres and they cross paths with a man who carries a child in his arms.

10.38 – It is just after 22 p.m. when Kate goes to her children’s bedroom using the shorter route, entering the apartment through the sliding window, and sees Madeleine is missing. She asserts that the bedroom’s window and shutters had been opened. She drops everything, leaves the twins, who continue sleeping, in a room with an open window, and heads for the Tapas bar, to raise the alarm.

11.04 – This is where part of Kate McCann’s behaviour on that night becomes incomprehensible. Instead of stopping right here, and shouting out to the people who were at the restaurant, where her husband was, what she does is climb down these stairs, and walk a distance that is certainly twice as much as the distance from here to the restaurant, which is located approximately 50 metres from here, as the crow flies.

11.33 – When she arrived there, she cried out “We let her down”, which is a medical term that is often used in medicine, “she’s gone”, and then everyone came running and everyone used the entrance on this side of the apartment again.

11.48 – There were many contradictions. The most evident one was that someone was inside that room, when Gerald went in.

11.57 – If he didn’t enter, he just peeked through the door, that also has to be taken into account with what the abductor may have thought, if there was an abductor at all. An abductor cannot be certain that a father wouldn’t enter the room, because he would be discovered. Therefore, standing behind the door was practically impossible, physically that is not possible.

12.15 – He didn’t fit behind the door, and the wardrobes were blocked by the cots.

12.20 – But given the drama that the family was living, and the climate of commotion, we preferred not to make them suspects.

12.25 – First Contradiction: The Distance

12.28 – The first contradiction is related to the distance. Everyone involved, except for Kate, stated that when they went to check on the children, they used the apartments’ front doors. That meant walking over 100 metres more than they would walk if they entered through the sliding windows. Only the McCanns confirmed that they hadn’t locked that window, justifying that they could see the window from the Tapas.

12.59 – It is incomprehensible that they would walk over 100 metres more to check on the children, when there was a shorter route. Maddie’s father said that, when he went to check on his children, he was in a hurry to use the toilet. Still, he took the longer route.

13. 14 – Let’s check the map. The yellow line is the route that is walked until the sliding window. The red line is the route that all of the parents state they took – approximately twice as long.

13.29 – This preoccupation from the nine English people only shows that they were afraid of being accused for leaving their children in a dangerous situation.

13.38 – In fact, these contradictions could be justified merely with the need of the English families to demonstrate that the children were fully safe. According to a Portuguese lawyer, who is experienced in working with several English clients, the behaviour may be justified by the fear of being accused of abandoning the children to danger, a crime that is severely punished by UK laws.

Artur Rego
Laywer

14.01 – Having been left by their parents, exposed to situations of risk and danger that they, in their young age, wouldn’t be able to protect themselves from, and to confront and to resolve on their own, is considered to be a serious risk and serious and neglectful behaviour from the parents.

14.19 – Second Contradiction: The Sightings

14.29 – The second relevant contradiction is given by Jane Tanner’s deposition, who states she saw the abductor. One cannot understand how Jane Tanner passes Gerald and Jeremiah, and sees a man carrying a child, with both of them failing to see her and the abductor.

14.48 – The only possible explanation for them not seeing her is given by her husband’s deposition, who says that she saw the abductor when she was returning from the apartment, and not when she was going there. It was possible for her to see Jeremiah and Gerald without any of them seeing her, but only if she was coming from the back of the apartment, using the sliding window. In any case, the detailed identification that she gives of a possible abductor is impossible. See with your own eyes.

15.17 – Jane Tanner asserts that she clearly saw, at this distance and with this lack of light, five aspects:

First: she saw a dark-haired man, aged 35 to 40, slender, with dark hair falling down his neck.

Second: that man wore linen trousers colored between beige and golden.

Third: he wore a duffy jacket, but not as thick.

Fourth: he wore black classical shoes.

Fifth: the man walked in a hurry, with a child laying on his outstretched arms, a position that is more likely for a statue than for a person who walks carrying a child.

15.52 – Jane’s statements were the basis for the abduction theory. But for us, and later on, for the English police, they had doubtful value. How was it possible to see so much as such a distance, and under that light? How was it possible for Gerald and Jeremiah not to see Jane, or the abductor?

16.10 - This sighting has another problem: Jane saw the alleged abductor crossing Agostinho da Silva Street, and less than 30 minutes later, the Smith family also sees a man carrying a child, on Escola Primária Street, on the other side of the village, and walking into the opposite direction of the man that Jane had seen.

16.36 – We have two sightings of potential abductors. The problem is that the Smiths’ sighting doesn’t confirm Jane Tanner’s vision, in its time and its direction. The man that is seen by the Smiths is on the other side of the village. He is heading for the beach area, carrying the child against his chest and not on outstretched arms. But given his physical look, they could be referring to the same person. In a while, we’ll see to whom, and who is lying.

17.00 – Third Contradiction – The Window

17.04 – The third contradiction in the testimonies is revealed to us by the window. If at 9.20 p.m. Jane sees the abductor with the child, and Kate, upon noticing that Madeleine has disappeared, notices that the window to the children’s bedroom had been fully opened, why did Russell and Matt, who checked the apartments after 9.20, fail to see the open window? This is completely impossible.

17.29 - The window is proof of the truthfulness of the testimonies. If the little girl was abducted by the man that Jane says she saw at 9.20 p.m., then the window was open from that moment on.

17.44 – Matthew says that he was inside the apartment and didn’t see the open window. This leads us to conclude that the window was only opened after the pseudo-abduction.

17.53 - The Leads and Murat

18.10 – Over 350 leads were followed.

18.18 – The Polícia Judiciária says that the next few hours may bring new developments.

18.24 – Robert Murat is made an arguido after a long interrogation at the Polícia Judiciária in Portimão.

Olegário de Sousa
Chief PJ Inspector

18.31 – A male individual, aged 33 and a resident in the area of the events has been made an arguido. He was questioned as such, and no evidence has been collected that could justify his detention and further judicial questioning.

19.11 – The journalist suspected him, but we didn’t follow what the journalist said. We followed the analysis of the facts. The facts were analysed, what actually had happened, and we followed a testimony, a testimony that had to be weakened in order to advance the abduction theory. Jane Tanner’s testimony. Because otherwise, the abduction theory died right there. The major foundation for the abduction was what that witness had seen: a man carrying a child, walking into the direction of Robert Murat’s house.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 19, 2017, 09:22:PM
I don't know too much about this case but Maddie dying of a sedative seems a far better scenario than other conclusion
It's such a sad case and probably one that will never be solved

If her parents harmed her by accident they will pay the price ever single day
I don't buy it Jackie, they knew what they were doing with sedatives, no doctor would give a dangerous sedative to any child and certainly not their own.
I believe she was taken or she wandered off and met the wrong person, poor little mite.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:22:PM
19.45 – Maybe people don’t know, but the search at Robert Murat’s house takes place on a Monday morning, and on Sunday evening, we’re in a meeting with the Public Ministry, with the prosecutor, with the judge, me and Dr Luís Neves, we’re at the court house while diligences are being carried out in Praia da Luz. Diligences to confirm the suspicion against Robert Murat. And Mrs Jane Tanner is placed inside a police surveillance vehicle, several people walk by, policemen, people that Mrs Jane Tanner had never seen before, and Mr Robert Murat among them, and she says that from the way he walks, he is the person that was carrying the child.

20.27 – In fact, Jane Tanner’s memory progressively improves as time goes by. The first e-fit that she helps to draw is a vague sketch. She later makes a positive identification of Robert Murat as the man that she saw that night. Several months later, she participates in a new e-fit, now miraculously remembering every facial trace of a man that is very different from the Murat that she recognised earlier on.

20.55 - Another document that weighed in at incriminating Robert Murat was a psychological profile by English experts, which in very general traces stated that his voluntary attitude during the days that followed the crime, helping the investigators and the family, could be the mask of a criminal.

Eduardo Moss
Psychologist

21.12 – These are either theoretical pre-suppositions, or banalities. It’s obvious that they start with statistical analyses, we could call them epidemiological, out of a population, numerous types of behaviours which could prompt the suspicion, a greater or smaller suspicion, on an individual. And nothing more.

21.38 - The Global Media Phenomenon

Cristiano Ronaldo
Football Player

21.42 – We’re all very sad about what happened to Madeleine McCann. Please, if someone has any kind of information, let us know.

Luís Filipe Scolari
Trainer

21.51 – Pray a special prayer, pray at least one Hail Mary all over the country, for Our Lady of Fátima to enlighten our authorities so they can find that little girl.

22.45 – Time went by. The abduction leads led into a blind alley. The family itself started considering the possibility that Maddie was dead.

22.52 - Stalemate in the Investigation

22.54 – The first signs of death come from the family. Exterior signs. We had already considered it but it’s the family that hires a former officer from the South African military, who uses a miraculous machine to find the child’s body on location.

23.16 – South African Daniel Krugel points at a location where Madeleine McCann’s body is supposed to lie. A vast area where nothing was found.

23.12 - The Turnaround in the Investigation

23.29 – The investigation uses two very special dogs that are used by the English and North American police, that have successfully solved over 200 cases. These include the murder of Attracta Harron, an Irishwoman who went missing. The police and the forensic scientists were unsuccessful in finding out what happened to her. The investigators then brought in Eddie, one of the two dogs that were in Portugal, that identified a carbonised piece in the suspect’s car. That piece contained DNA from the missing woman. The dogs that were brought in to help the investigation are great investigators. Eddie is a dog that specialises in finding dead victims and marking locations where dead people have been. Keela is able to detect human blood in such tiny amounts that they elude the investigators.

24.26 – In these police images, we can see Eddie and Keela inspecting the houses where the nine British tourists stayed, and Robert Murat’s house. The dogs only reacted (alerted) in the apartment where the McCanns stayed. Eddie marked (alerted to) cadaver odour in the wardrobe of the McCanns’ bedroom.

24.50 – That was how it was. The dog that marks (alerts to) human cadaver odour marked cadaver odour in this corner, the doors were open when the test was made, and after walking around the parents’ bedroom, he placed his nose in here and marked this area. So according to the expert, a cadaver was here, either on the shelf or on the floor.

25.20 – Eddie also detected the odour of death behind the sofa in the apartment’s living room. Keela is brought in, and she points out a small amount of blood behind that same sofa.

25.49 – At the time when the area behind the sofa was cleaned, there is a body being transported to this location, or it was kept here for a while. That is the indication that exists, there was no blood here, contrary to what was found behind the sofa, and there is the marking that a cadaver was here [indicating the wardrobe shelves].

Martin Grime
Dog Handler

26.34 – The dogs’ investigation continues. They inspect several vehicles, and they only alert to the car that was hired by the McCanns 23 days after Madeleine’s disappearance. Eddie alerts that the car key and the boot had been in contact with a dead body.

27.01 – Keela discovers organic traces for analysis in the boot.

27.23 – The dogs’ reaction is revealing. These dogs have never failed in over 200 cases. The dogs marked two spots in the house: The wardrobe in the parents’ bedroom, and behind the living room sofa.

27.40 – They also signalled the car, that had been rented by the McCanns 23 days after the facts, as well as Kate’s clothes and Madeleine’s soft toy.

27.58 – How was it possible to find a soft toy with cadaver smell in a bed that was not marked by the dogs, and with no indications of Madeleine having slept in it? The dogs’ work could hardly be more revealing.

28.31 – Two weeks ago, there was a radical change in the investigation, tiny traces of blood were found in the apartment. When you heard that the police had found blood in the apartment, how did you react?

29.23 – This is the turnaround in the investigation. The abduction theory becomes less likely than the child’s death. The parents, friends and relatives become suspects.

29.33 – The hypothesis that little Madeleine is dead has somehow gained some consistency.

29.40 – The collected samples are sent to an expert lab in the UK, the Forensic Science Service, in Birmingham. The analyses’ results start being targeted by speculation. The Times is the first newspaper to announce that some of the preliminary results of the analyses on some of the collected material didn’t match Maddie’s DNA, prompting a denial from the lab.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:25:PM
30.20 – Journalist Duarte Levy was one of the authors of this article. He asserts that there were other preliminary reports that identified Madeleine’s blood in the samples, and that were put aside.

Duarte Levy
Journalist

30.32 – For the ‘Times’, we – I say ‘we’ because I worked with Paulo Reis and David Brown – the first article that we wrote was about the blood traces that had been found on the apartment’s wall, and we published that the blood was not Madeleine’s. It was an article that raised some problems, in terms of the FSS’s organisation, but that didn’t prevent us from accessing other preliminary and final reports. At a given time, we had access to a report that was signed by more than ten FSS professionals, which stated the existence of a correspondence of 17 out of 19 alleles in the case of Madeleine McCann. To us, there was more than enough data to state that this was Madeleine’s blood.

31.23 – In order to understand the analyses that were made, we went to the Forensics Institute in Coimbra, where presently similar analyses are carried out, using the Low Copy Number method. When the samples were collected at the Ocean Club apartment, and from the car that had been rented by the McCanns, they were sent to the lab, where the samples were then prepared. Later on, the DNA quantity that existed in the collected material was evaluated. Because the quantity was very small, the Low Copy Number method was used.

31.55 – The samples were increased, and then the DNA markers were signalled. This method has the advantage of working with very small amounts of DNA, but the results don’t always allow for a clear comparison between the victim’s DNA and the collected one. By artificially increasing the DNA quantity for analysis, we also amplify a set of data that can be confused with the markers.

32.24 – The final report that the FSS delivers to the investigation is not conclusive. It establishes that the collected samples may be from Madeleine McCann, but there is no certainty. The most significant is the material that was collected from the car that had been rented 23 days after the child’s disappearance. The preliminary reports mention a correspondence of 15 alleles out of 19, but the problem is that the analyses demonstrate that the material didn’t come from one sole donor, but from at least three.

32.58 – Professor Corte-Real, who met with the FSS experts, and saw the British scientists’ reports and work notes, explains this issue.

Dr Francisco Corte-Real
Vice President, National Forensics Institute

33.09 – When those 15 alleles are included in a mix, where beyond those 15 we can have another 30 or 40 alleles, that means that it includes biological material from several persons. And there it can be much more difficult, much more inconclusive, because we may have a mixture from several persons, including hypothetically, if that happens, we may have several persons from the same family, and that may even give us the idea, in a way, that a certain missing person may be included, and that is not conclusive.

33.46 – Despite the conclusions of the FSS reports, the investigative team’s conviction is not based exclusively on scientific evidence. A normal procedure within criminal investigations, which is explained to us by a reputed forensics medicine expert.

Dr João Pinto da Costa
Forensics Medicine Expert

34.02 – Criminal investigation is not only one aspect. The whole way of being, in terms of the suspect’s attitudes and behaviour, are fundamental, as fundamental as the biological analysis of blood, urine or any other situation. There are other elements that allow for corroboration.

34.29 – The McCanns are summoned for deposition at the Polícia Judiciária in Portimão. During that interrogation, they are made arguidos. Kate McCann refuses to answer all of the questions, and Gerald McCann repeatedly denies the investigators’ conclusions, defending his innocence, and his wife’s.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu
McCanns’ Laywer

34.47 – Today, Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos.

34.52 – Their behaviour was a distant behaviour. For example, when they, especially Gerald McCann, when they are shown the dogs’ movie, he didn’t even want to look at the television, saying that it had no value, and that it didn’t show proof of his daughter’s death, and that to him, his daughter was alive.

35.12 – When the McCanns leave the Polícia Judiciária, the Portuguese public opinion starts to turn against them. The Portuguese and British investigators are now convinced that the little girl was the victim of an accident. She died in the apartment and someone made the body disappear.

35.30 – That was assumed by the entire investigation team, which consisted of Portuguese and English people. In September 2007, that is the major conclusion drawn from the investigation. I remind you, concerning that issue of inconclusive tests, that there is an ongoing case in the USA, involving a mother and a missing three-year-old, where there is also cadaver odour in the car boot, and an incomplete DNA profile of the child, and the mother has been arrested for trial, or has already been tried.

36.24 – The investigation’s change of direction prompts the McCanns’ return to the UK. The family, that had always refused to abandon Portugal without clarifying their daughter’s disappearance, decides to return home. The images of the McCann family’s return go around the world. When he sees this image of Gerald McCann carrying one of the twins, Irishman Martin Smith says he recognises in the stance and the manner of holding the child, the man whom he crossed on the night that Madeleine disappeared. He goes to the local police, and gives a statement.

36.59 – It was exactly the same manner and appearance of the man that he saw on the night that Maddie disappeared.

37.04 – The McCann family’s representative, a former spokesman for English prime minister Gordon Brown, pushes all suspicions aside.

Clarence Mitchell
McCann family’s Spokesman

37.42 – Kate McCann’s diary, which was accessed by the investigation, is clear about the importance of such political support. Gordon Brown phones the couple several times, as the diary shows on the 23rd of May.

37.57 - The Disarmed Investigation

38.01 – The McCann case has always worried both countries’ political authorities, even leading Prime Minister Gordon Brown to speak about it with his counterpart, José Sócrates, during the Lisbon summit.

38.15 – The British press repeatedly attacked the Portuguese investigation. Following a reply from Gonçalo Amaral to a former British detective, in an interview to Diário de Notícias, the Polícia Judiciária’s national director dismissed the investigation’s coordinator, with the Justice Minister’s support.

Alípio Ribeiro
PJ’s National Director

38.34 – I’m not going to comment on that matter.

38.36 – But you confirm that he was replaced in the case?

38.37 – Yes. Substituted as the leader.

38.39 – Why?

38.40 – I can’t comment on that now.

38.41 – Was it because of the statements that were published today?

Alberto Costa
Justice Minister

38.44 – It’s an act that belongs to the national director of the Polícia Judiciária, that I approve.

38.48 – Did you influence this dismissal?

38.50 – I don’t want to say anything further about this matter.

38.53 – Gonçalo Amaral is sent back to the headquarters in Faro, and forced to abandon the McCann case investigation.

38.59 – Before I left, someone came to me, I’m not saying who, with a speech about investigations that don’t end, investigations that don’t end in the way that we desire, that do not succeed, and that if this investigation was archived, or if the investigation was dropped, nobody would question it much, or raise any problems about it.

39.26 – Paulo Rebelo is nominated to direct the investigation. He hurries to visit Aldeia da Luz, and to observe the locations where Madeleine McCann disappeared from, showing his intention to carry out the process until its end. A set of rogatory letters are sent to the UK for the interrogation of the witnesses in the process. There is an attempt to schedule a reconstruction. Some witnesses are never questioned again in Portugal, like the Smith family, who said they saw Gerald McCann carrying a child in his arms, towards the sea, at around 10 p.m. on the 3rd of May 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: susan on May 19, 2017, 09:26:PM
I don't buy it Jackie, they knew what they were doing with sedatives, no doctor would give a dangerous sedative to any child and certainly not their own.
I believe she was taken or she wandered off and met the wrong person, poor little mite.


Hi Maggie/Jackie

I don't think they gave their child sedatives I think she was taken the place was watched every night and whoever took the wee child knew the times they went back to check I dare not think about why she was taken too awful :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:27:PM
40.04 – The witness who lived near the McCanns’ second home, in Aldeia da Luz, who says she witnessed an uncommon fact about the McCanns’ hire car, where the dogs detected cadaver odour and remains that may belong to Maddie, was not heard, either. This neighbour has signed a document authorising the broadcast of her deposition that identifies her, but fearing threats and pressures, she doesn’t show her face.

40.30 – This is an interesting matter, when I left the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, in October 2007, nothing was known about this vehicle, about this issue of the open car boot. We knew that inside the vehicle cadaver odour and bodily fluids had been found, where Madeleine McCann’s DNA profile was extracted from, with 15 alleles. Months later, there is a jurist, who lives nearby, who came to report that after the McCanns arrived at this villa, they saw the car boot open from then on.

41.09 – I drive down this street every day to turn my car around at that end, and every time that I passed the house, and I looked at the car, and the car always had an open boot door, day or night. I often passed at night, and always verified it. It was a fact, I reported it, and that was it.

41.33 – It’s important to report the following: that lady, that jurist, was never heard at the Polícia Judiciária because her deposition was not considered to be relevant, which is strange. While she was not heard, while a rogatory letter was sent to England, relatives of Gerald and Kate McCann came out to say that they had transported, inside this car boot, food from the supermarket, namely a meat package that leaked blood.

42.09 – The great question is how the family heard about the witness, despite the fact that she was not heard by the PJ, and tried to reply to the observed facts.

42.18 – Only a few months later, the investigation is closed. Gonçalo Amaral resigns from the police, writes a book about the case and accepts to return to 5A at the Ocean Club, to demonstrate his conviction that Madeleine McCann died inside this apartment on the 3rd of May 2007.

42.37 – The family’s spokesman accuses him of being an opportunist, who is merely interested in making money.

43.11 – Contrary to what Mr Clarence Mitchell says, I used my knowledge in the investigation, and thus can state with all certainty that Madeleine was not abducted. Just verify the location of the facts, like we are going to, right away.

43.25 - Final Evidence

43.28 – With the help from one of the major experts from the Scientific Police, who worked for the Polícia Judiciária, Alexandre Simas, Gonçalo Amaral intends to prove, first, that it was impossible for the child to be abducted, starting by demonstrating that the indications prove that the apartment’s window and door were not forced.

43.47 - How does one open a door like this, without the key?

Alexandre Simas
Expert (Former Polícia Judiciária)

43.51 – This type of apartment door, normally there are only three possibilities: to extract the lock’s cannon, which didn’t happen, or it would have been reported; a false key, a copy or one that was used without permission; or using a malleable material, as long as it’s not locked, it’s introduced, and it makes the lock go back inside. But when it goes in, even if it did, it would hit this screw. If it hits the screw, no matter how much I force it, it doesn’t jump to open the lock for me.

44.33 – If the door wasn’t opened without a key, the window doesn’t bear any traces of having been forced, either.

44.40 – These windows have a very good characteristic to check if they were forced or not. Being made of lacquered aluminium, any screwdriver, any instrument that is used to make the lock jump, immediately leaves a mark. What we can see here, there is no break-in, the mark that is there belongs to the lock itself as it rotates, sometimes one does this with the lock in place, and it hits there. So, to open this window, all we have to do is this. To close it, it’s impossible, because either one has a magnet on his fingers to pull the window…

45.18 – Another important fact is revealed by the fingerprints that are left on the bedroom window, which the McCanns insist they left closed, and is supposedly found open when the mother notices her daughter is missing. The only fingerprints that are found belong to Kate McCann, and reveal that they were made by opening the window.

45.42 – These three indications mean that there was no abduction, and that is proved. No abductor entered apartment 5A, through the door or through the window.

45.54 – Finally, it was impossible for anyone to leave with the child through the window on his own, without supporting himself on the bed, and leaving traces of abrasion on the window.

46.03 – If I carry a child in my arms, a package, in this case, the window is already open, I have to walk through here, and then I have to place my feet here, I can’t…

46.15 – We tried to prove this difficulty, taking a child through the window, keeping everything the way it was found: the beds, without a trace of being stepped on, and no signs of abrasion on the window sill. It seems to be practically impossible for one single abductor, like the one that Jane Tanner saw, carrying the child on the street.

46.37 – Let’s review: First, the front door and the window were not forced. Second, the window was opened by the mother. Third, it’s impossible for a lone abductor to carry out the child without leaving traces on the beds and on the window.

46.53 – Adding this to the traces that were detected by the dogs, and the sighting that was made by the Smiths, we have a completely different probable scenario. Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A, and her body was concealed.

47.12 – What do these leads tell us? What means that which the dogs detected, and what can be established about what happened on the 3rd of May 2007?

47.24 – It is behind the sofa, in front of the middle section of the window, that cadaver odour and human blood with Madeleine McCann’s profile is traced. It’s the only place inside the apartment where the findings coincide: human cadaver odour and blood. So, within a policeman’s logic, this is where death may have taken place.

47.49 – What happened to Maddie? There is an hypothesis that can explain all known clues. The child woke up at night, heard her father talking below the living room window, climbed on the sofa, fell and hit her head. The fall, and the possible use of Calpol on the children, by the parents, to keep them asleep while they dined, may have provoked Madeleine’s death.

48.40 – The habit of using Calpol on the children was confirmed by Kate’s father. Later, a man, whom the Smiths identified as Gerald McCann, carried the child towards the beach.

48.55 – What I know tells me that Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A on the 3rd of May 2007. I am certain that this truth will be established some day. The investigation was brutally interrupted, and a political and hurried archiving took place. There are some people who hide the truth, but sooner or later the varnish will crack and the revelations will appear. Only then will there be justice for Madeleine McCann.

49.25 – The mystery persists. The former inspector believes that some day, the truth will be known. For the time being, all we know is that on the 3rd of May 2007, Madeleine McCann disappeared in Praia da Luz. She was three years old, and she was a happ
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: JackieD on May 19, 2017, 09:31:PM


Hi Maggie/Jackie

I don't think they gave their child sedatives I think she was taken the place was watched every night and whoever took the wee child knew the times they went back to check I dare not think about why she was taken too awful :(

I know Susan, I just cannot bare to think of a paedophile  taking her
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:33:PM
Here we see photographic evidence of The parents, and in particular Gerry McCann pouring out their / his guilt in the tragedy...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2017, 09:38:PM
I know Susan, I just cannot bare to think of a paedophile  taking her

That did not happen in this case, Maddie almost certainly died in apartment 5a, and her body removed by Gerry McCann, aided and abetted by at least one member of the so called tapas 7 group members - she died as a result of over sedation, hence why they had to get rid of the body...

Here are the parents enacting their script, trying to trick police into thinking they had nothing to do with her death...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 19, 2017, 09:45:PM


Hi Maggie/Jackie

I don't think they gave their child sedatives I think she was taken the place was watched every night and whoever took the wee child knew the times they went back to check I dare not think about why she was taken too awful :(
I agree susan/jackie, sadly I think that is probably what happened.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2017, 08:57:AM
Why did Kate leave her other two babies alone back at apartment 5a, when she went back to the tapas bar, after Maddie was supposedly taken by 'them' ('they have taken her')? Why not use her mobile phone? Why not shout from the veranda of the patio? Everything points to someone else being at the apartment, hence why the vacuum was created by the opening of the front road side door, patio door, bedroom window and steel shutter all being open at the same time!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 09:37:AM
MADDIE - THE TRUTH OF THE LIE

39.26 – Paulo Rebelo is nominated to direct the investigation. He hurries to visit Aldeia da Luz, and to observe the locations where Madeleine McCann disappeared from, showing his intention to carry out the process until its end. A set of rogatory letters are sent to the UK for the interrogation of the witnesses in the process. There is an attempt to schedule a reconstruction. Some witnesses are never questioned again in Portugal, like the Smith family, who said they saw Gerald McCann carrying a child in his arms, towards the sea, at around 10 p.m. on the 3rd of May 2007.

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I believe this sighting to be true, there is no independent corroborating evidence to prove the Gerry McCann was at the tapas bar at the time he was seen by the Smiths carrying Maddie away down toward the beach, other than from other tapas group members (but not all)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 09:59:AM
Kate's first witness statement...

Thursday May 3rd 2007

Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 8.30pm, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:01:AM
Kate's first witness statement...

Thursday May 3rd 2007

Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 8.30pm, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Gerry McCann used the front roadside door, despite knowing that the patio door on the poolside of the apartment had been left open for ease of access, half an hour or so earlier..

08.45 – At around 9.05 p.m., Matt checks the windows of the various apartments, and finds everything quiet and the windows closed. Between 9.05 and 9.10 p.m., Gerald McCann goes to the apartment, asserts that he entered through the front door, and enters the children’s bedroom. Everything seems well to him. At a later point in time, Gerald will say that he sensed that a stranger was inside the room

If Gerry McCann had sensed a stranger was in the room he would not have left all three children alone, he would have checked the room, the apartment to make sure his children were not in danger! He introduced the 'stranger' scenario to feed the story that somebody had abducted Maddie...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:05:AM
No information exists regarding whether the road side front door to apartment 5a had been left open when the parents went to the tapas bar at around 8.30pm, in addition to the patio door also being left unlocked, or if Gerry McCann exited via the same front roadside door after his 9.10pm check on his family - nor if he left the front roadside door unlocked, or if he locked it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:08:AM
No information exists regarding whether the road side front door to apartment 5a had been left open when the parents went to the tapas bar at around 8.30pm, in addition to the patio door also being left unlocked, or if Gerry McCann exited via the same front roadside door after his 9.10pm check on his family - nor if he left the front roadside door unlocked, or if he locked it..

Matt Oldfield entered apartment 5a via the poolside patio door, and left by the same door during his questionable 9.30pm check...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:11:AM
Kate McCann entered apartment 5a via the poolside patio door during her 10pm check, but it is not known which door she exited before returning to the tapas bar to declare, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:15:AM
I adopt the well practiced  application of 'informatives' used by police in major crimes in the UK, and other parts of the world, to try to fathom out what took place surounding Maddie's demise and the disappearence of her body from apartment 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:26:AM
43.51 – This type of apartment door, normally there are only three possibilities: to extract the lock’s cannon, which didn’t happen, or it would have been reported; a false key, a copy or one that was used without permission; or using a malleable material, as long as it’s not locked, it’s introduced, and it makes the lock go back inside. But when it goes in, even if it did, it would hit this screw. If it hits the screw, no matter how much I force it, it doesn’t jump to open the lock for me.

Hotel reception, and the McCann parents were the only people to have a key to the front road side door to apartment 5a. It 's possible somebody had a copy key, but is it feasible?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:29:AM
43.51 – This type of apartment door, normally there are only three possibilities: to extract the lock’s cannon, which didn’t happen, or it would have been reported; a false key, a copy or one that was used without permission; or using a malleable material, as long as it’s not locked, it’s introduced, and it makes the lock go back inside. But when it goes in, even if it did, it would hit this screw. If it hits the screw, no matter how much I force it, it doesn’t jump to open the lock for me.

Hotel reception, and the McCann parents were the only people to have a key to the front road side door to apartment 5a. It 's possible somebody had a copy key, but is it feasible?

Additional key scenario is irrelevant if Gerry McCan and his wife Kate, left the road side door to apartment 5a open as well as the poolside patio door unlocked, or if Gerry McCann left the front door unlocked at the conclusion of his 9.10pm, check..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:34:AM
The lock on the roadside door was not forced, neither was the steel shutter of the bedroom window prised open from the outside! Everything points to an inside job! I believe that it's more than probable that Kate opened the bedroom window and that she raised the steel shutter herself during her 10pm visit to apartment 5a ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:35:AM
I think Maddie may well have still been present inside apartment 5a when Kate went back to do her 10pm check...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:38:AM
I think Maddie may well have still been present inside apartment 5a when Kate went back to do her 10pm check...

If true, where might Maddie's body have been concealed?

Well, behind the sofa as signalled by the cadaver dog, either there, or one or other of the parents had moved her body into their bedroom by the side of their bed, or in the wardrobe, again as signalled by the cadaver dog...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:55:AM
If true, where might Maddie's body have been concealed?

Well, behind the sofa as signalled by the cadaver dog, either there, or one or other of the parents had moved her body into their bedroom by the side of their bed, or in the wardrobe, again as signalled by the cadaver dog...

23.29 – The investigation uses two very special dogs that are used by the English and North American police, that have successfully solved over 200 cases. These include the murder of Attracta Harron, an Irishwoman who went missing. The police and the forensic scientists were unsuccessful in finding out what happened to her. The investigators then brought in Eddie, one of the two dogs that were in Portugal, that identified a carbonised piece in the suspect’s car. That piece contained DNA from the missing woman. The dogs that were brought in to help the investigation are great investigators. Eddie is a dog that specialises in finding dead victims and marking locations where dead people have been. Keela is able to detect human blood in such tiny amounts that they elude the investigators.

The signalling by these dogs opens up the very strong likelihood that Maddie died inside apartment 5a...

Kidnappers don't kidnap or abduct dead bodies!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 11:00:AM
If, Maddie died in apartment 5a, then it is as certain as anyone can be that she was not kidnapped, or abducted as alleged.  Her body would have been taken for disposal of it, and the crime scene set to give an impression that she had been taken!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 21, 2017, 11:02:AM
If true, where might Maddie's body have been concealed?

Well, behind the sofa as signalled by the cadaver dog, either there, or one or other of the parents had moved her body into their bedroom by the side of their bed, or in the wardrobe, again as signalled by the cadaver dog...





Mike,if the cadaver dogs had signalled the presence of a body,they certainly couldn't have said of whose or what. It could even have been meat/food products of some sort.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 11:14:AM
The Smith sighting of Gerry McCann carrying the body of Maddie down toward the beach fits in snugly with Him being the person who removed the body from apartment 5a, Maddie would not have been sleeping at that time, but would have already died, or been dead...

The Smith contingent would not have been able to tell that the child being carried was either sleeping or dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 11:20:AM




Mike,if the cadaver dogs had signalled the presence of a body,they certainly couldn't have said of whose or what. It could even have been meat/food products of some sort.

Yes, that might be true, but the dogs were there to provide leads in connection with Maddie's demise and her disappearence, just like the dogs had done in 200 more police investigations! By all accounts the signalling by these dogs had resulted in all these other cases being brought to a successful conclusion. Why would it potentially be any different in Maddie's case? I believe it's a nailed on certainty that the front roadside door, the steel shutter at the bedroom window, and the window itself were not forced open, but had been opened by Kate herself...

Her own fingerprints were found on the open window, so she certainly opened it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 11:36:AM
I am more inclined to believe that Maddie might have already died or been killed before the McCanns left apartment 5a to go to the tapas bar from drinks and food! I believe this to be true because of the cadaver scent left in the apartment, having said this, how long does a body have to have been dead before it's gives off sufficient cadaver odour? I believe there might not have been sufficient amount of time for Maddie's body to leave enough cadaver odour behind the sofa, or in the parents wardrobe if she had died or had been killed in apartment 5a say between Gerry's 9.10pm check, Matt Oldfield's 9.30pm check, and Kate's 10pm check! If that proves to be the case, for example if there's a minimum period of time after a person dies, say two to three, or even four hours, then the parents can't have left all three of the children alive in the bedroom of their apartment (5a) when leaving to go to the tapas bar! Maddie would already have been dead by that stage! Same applies regarding Gerry's 9.10pm check, and Matt. Oldfields 9.30pm, check...

More research needs to be done into the rates at which cadaver odours are generated in different environments...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 11:56:AM
I am more inclined to believe that Maddie might have already died or been killed before the McCanns left apartment 5a to go to the tapas bar from drinks and food! I believe this to be true because of the cadaver scent left in the apartment, having said this, how long does a body have to have been dead before it's gives off sufficient cadaver odour? I believe there might not have been sufficient amount of time for Maddie's body to leave enough cadaver odour behind the sofa, or in the parents wardrobe if she had died or had been killed in apartment 5a say between Gerry's 9.10pm check, Matt Oldfield's 9.30pm check, and Kate's 10pm check! If that proves to be the case, for example if there's a minimum period of time after a person dies, say two to three, or even four hours, then the parents can't have left all three of the children alive in the bedroom of their apartment (5a) when leaving to go to the tapas bar! Maddie would already have been dead by that stage! Same applies regarding Gerry's 9.10pm check, and Matt. Oldfields 9.30pm, check...

More research needs to be done into the rates at which cadaver odours are generated in different environments...

(1) - http://aboutforensics.co.uk/detection-dogs/

Detection Dogs

A vital aspect of a forensic investigation may be to detect and locate specific people or substances of interest, ranging from illegal drugs to missing people to clandestine graves. Sophisticated detection equipment does exist, however this technology can often be expensive, have unsuitable portability, and may even prove useless when searching vast areas. Fortunately for investigators, there is an ideal tool available.

Dogs, sometimes known as K9s or sniffer dogs by law enforcement professionals, have played an important role in legal investigations for decades, with their keen sense of smell being harnessed to aid investigations. The average human being has roughly five million sensitive cells within the nose to aid in scent detection. This appears to be a large number, until compared with the 200 million cells in the average dog’s nose. Further increasing the canine’s sense of smell is an organ in the roof of the mouth that is not present in humans. This organ essentially allows the dog to ‘taste’ a smell, thus strengthening its ability to detect odours. Canines detect odours directly from the source or residual scents; odours which persist in an area after the original source is no longer present.

Dogs 1

Obviously the air is full of a vast variety of different odours, many of which will be powerfully clear to the dog. Fortunately they are able to distinguish between different odours, even if one smell overpowers another, and trace a specific scent to its source.

Drug Detection

The police commonly train canines to detect the presence of illicit substances to the extent that they are capable of locating even the tiniest trace of a drug. Such dogs are frequently trailed through train stations, airports, country borders, workplaces, and even schools to allow police to locate individuals who are carrying these illegal substances. The dog may be moved near pieces of luggage, near groups of people, or generally kept in the vicinity to react if he or she picks up on an odour of interest. An average stop and search conducted by officers may yield nothing, especially if the subject has hidden the drugs somewhere on his person. However properly trained canines are usually able to detect the scent of illegal narcotics, regardless of where the suspect has concealed them.

Explosives Detection

Perhaps used more in recent years due to the increased focus on terrorism, canines have also been trained in the detection of explosive materials. The dogs are trained to detect the odours of specific substances such as sulphur, nitroglycerin, and any other compound commonly used in the production of gunpowder and explosive devices. Such specially trained dogs may be used in airports to detect or at least deter terrorism, or in the homes of suspected bomb-makers to identify the presence of these substances on work surfaces and in storage areas. In these scenarios, it is particularly vital that the canine is trained not to touch any substances or devices it does locate, as many types of bomb can potentially explode if touched.

Arson Dogs

Similar to canines trained to detect explosives, arson dogs are instructed to detect the chemical traces of accelerants. During an arson investigation, one of the primary tasks is to determine what caused the fire and, if accelerants were used, establish where the accelerant was placed. Though the odour of most forms of accelerant is generally quite strong, a fire scene will often be engulfed by the smell of smoke and various burning materials. However dogs can be trained to pick out the specific odours of flammable substances and locate the source. Even if the accelerant is found in numerous locations, the dog can be trained to pinpoint the area in which the accelerant concentration is at its greatest.

Cadaver Dogs

Also known as decomposition or victim recovery dogs, these specially trained canines are trained to follow the scent of decomposing flesh in order to locate the bodies of deceased human beings. Whether the cadaver is on the surface, buried underground or under water, a dog’s nose is powerful enough to pick up the scent and trace it back to its source. Cadaver dogs can not only locate actual human remains, but also the location in which a corpse or body parts may have previously been stored by tracking down residual scents. Depending on the use of the cadaver dog, they will be trained to detect specific decomposition odours. For example, some may be trained to detect odours associated with the early stages of decomposition, whereas others may be required to locate older remains. Some dogs are specifically trained to detect dead bodies underwater, with the canine situated on a shoreline or boat. A newer concept is that of historical human remains detection dogs, which are trained to locate historical or archaeological graves.

Dogs 2

Search & Rescue Dogs

Like cadaver dogs, search and rescue canines are trained to specifically locate human beings. However in this instance, they are searching for living individuals, usually missing people, individuals lost in the wilderness, and those trapped during mass disasters. For example, trained dogs will be used in the case of an earthquake, where numerous people may be trapped inside crushed buildings or similar. The dogs follow the scent of each person, so that they may be located and finally rescued.

Tracking Dogs

Tracking dogs are trained for the same purpose as search and rescue dogs – they track down and locate living human beings. However in this case the dogs are trained and used to track down fugitives or suspected criminals. The scene of a recent crime may hold the scent of the perpetrator which, if investigators work quickly enough, may be tracked by a trained dog. Alternatively an object or a piece of clothing known to have belonged to or been touched by the suspect may be presented to the dog, hopefully allowing him or her to follow the scent and locate the suspect.

Training

Dogs are trained as trailing dogs and air-scenting dogs. Trailing dogs follow a scent on the ground, whereas air-scenting dogs must be able to pick an odour out of a breeze and follow it back to its source.

Training begins with repeatedly presenting particular odours to the dog whilst teaching him or her to display a particular alert when detecting the odour. The procedure essentially involves typical Pavlovian conditioning. The dog is motivated to perform a particular task and rewarded upon completion of this task. The canine will soon learn to associate a particular act, in this case locating a specific odour, with receiving a reward, generally in the form of food or a dog treat. Throughout the procedure, trainers may use actual samples of what the dogs are being trained to follow, or they may use chemicals which simulate the scent. Initially the dog may be trained in laboratory-like conditions, in which he or she is simply being taught to identify the odours. Once the dog is capable of doing this, scenario-based training may be given. Potentially distracting odours will also be introduced, generally scents that the dog is likely to encounter during a real search. The dog is trained to ignore these odours and focus on specific scents. Upon locating the desired odour, the canine is taught to situate the point at which the source is at its strongest, at which point it will give a specific indication to the handler.

Various breeds of canine are suitable for police work, though golden retrievers, Labrador retrievers, German shepherds, and border collies are all commonly used.

Fieldwork

During actual field work, the canine’s handler must aid the dog in any way possible. This includes utilising any known information plus his or her own experience to develop a search plan that will give the dog the best opportunity to locate the desired odours. Allowing a dog to randomly move around and sniff a huge area may yield no results or it will take an extremely long time for the dog to locate the target of the search. In outdoor areas, odours may drift and pool in lower areas or up against physical barriers, therefore these locations should especially be searched.

Every search area should be treated as a potential crime scene. Accurate records must be kept of the entire search, including the trainers and canines involved, the area covered by the search, and any findings. Dogs should be trained in such a way that, if they do locate, for example, a human cadaver, they do not actually touch or attempt to retrieve the remains, which would compromise potential evidence. If anything of interest is found, the appropriate professionals will enter the scene to take over. If nothing is found, the area is deemed as having been ‘cleared’ and the search team can move on.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 12:03:PM
TAPAS7 4 MAY 07

66 to 68 Witness statement of David Anthony Payne 2007.05.04

TRANSLATED BY ANNA/ALBYM
01-Processo - 01 Pages 66 to 68
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David Payne's statements were taken the day after Madeleine's disappearance, May 4th 2007 at 2.45pm. As with all the others, David Payne was accompanied by a, "sworn," interpreter, A. Francisco M. The statement was recorded by inspector Patricia D.
The words at the beginning of an interview are invariably the same. They are mandatory type words. They form the legal basis of the document. Recited often, they are like:
"We, Patricia D., police inspector, in the service of the PJ, Portimao Section, note:"

On the subject we are recording it is shown:

That the interviewee made this statement voluntarily. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007, staying at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz. That he plans to return to England on May 5th 2007 (Saturday). That he has known Madeleine's parents for around 5 years. That he was on holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That he came with a group. That the group is composed of nine adults and eight children. The adults are: Diane, the interviewee and his wife (children: ***** and ***), Russell and Jane (children: **** and ****), Matthew and Rachael (child: ******), Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean and Madeleine).
That they came to Portugal via a tour operator. That it was the interviewee who booked the trip.

Concerning the days spent in Portugal, the interviewee describes them as being all very much the same. He states that his family, composed of his mother-in-law Diane, his wife Fiona and their two children, spent their days more independently than other members of the group. They were most often with the couple Russell and Jane.
Concerning the remaining members of the group, normally we met up with them in the morning and went for breakfast, together, at the, "Millennium," restaurant, after which they left their children at their respective mini-clubs and the adults went to do sports inside the tourist complex or they went to the beach.
The couple Gerry and Kate had breakfast in the apartment. It was usual to have dinner together every night. With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the, "Millennium," restaurant, every evening the group was to be found at the, "Tapas," restaurant at around 8.45 for dinner. While the adults were dining, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments.

In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.

Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed. During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week.

That the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family comprises two bedrooms, a small kitchen, a lounge and a bathroom. That the lounge has a door which gives outside access in the direction of the restaurant. He does not recall any more details of the apartment but he remembers that the bedroom occupied by the children has a window that looks onto the main road. That he never went into the said bedroom occupied by the children but he could see that there were two beds and two cots. The cots were placed in the middle of the bedroom. One of the beds was placed against the window and the other, the one occupied by Madeleine, was against the wall facing the one which has a window.

In answer to our question, the interviewee doesn't know how many times Madeleine left the tourist complex, but he knows she went, at least once, to the beach. That during the holiday, he saw nothing abnormal concerning the couple Gerry and Kate, neither with their children nor, notably, with Madeleine. In the context of the group, he noticed nothing abnormal. That during the whole holiday, and particularly during the day and the night yesterday, nothing unusual happened in the tourist complex, which attracted his attention, or which could be correlated with Madeleine's disappearance.

He describes Madeleine as being a communicative girl, happy, obedient and very well behaved. Madeleine's parents are very sociable people, known by lots of people, kind and affectionate. Madeleine is indeed the daughter of both elements of the couple. She was wanted and is the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation. There was no difference in treatment between Madeleine and the twins. He doesn't know if Madeleine suffers from any illness, nor if she is on medication. He has nothing more to say that could help the progress of the investigation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 12:11:PM
TAPAS7 FRIDAY 11 APRIL 2008 10:26
RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No IM23A
TRANSCRIPT BY NICKED AND WHATEVER
PART ONE BY NICKED
 
RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No IM23A
 Person Interviewed: David PAYNE Number of Pages 45
 Place of Interview: Force Headquarters, Enderby Signature of Interviewing
 Date of Interview: 11.04.08 Officer producing exhibit
 Time Commenced: 1026 hours

 Time Concluded: 1154 hours Duration of Interview: 89 minutes
 Interviewing Officer(s) DC 1485 MESSIAH Tape Reference nos:
 Other Persons Present None
 
 Tape counter times Person speaking Text
 
 00:00:04 1485 "Okay, the interview is being video recorded, I'll make sure it is, yeah, the video, the interview is being video recorded and we are at Leicestershire Police Force, Force Headquarters alright.

The date is Friday the eleventh of April two thousand and eight, and I make the time by my watch ten twenty six. My name is DC Ivor MESSIAH and I'm a Detective in the Major Crime Department at Leicestershire Police, alright''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Could you tell me who you are please' Your name, date of birth and where you live.'

 Reply "Yes, my name's David PAYNE, my date of birth is fourteenth of the fourth, fifty six, I live in *********** ***
 , and I, do you want to know, sorry, what else''

1485 "What's your occupation''

 Reply "Err I work as a hospital Doctor in err at a Registrar in the Trent Region, currently working in Derby City General Hospital, where I've been there for just over a week and then prior to that I was at the Leicester General Hospital, where I've been there for err two years.'

1485 "Fine, okay. As we explained on the chat before we came into this interview room, this interview is being monitored. There is a colleague in another room that's watching what's happening here, he's acting as my second eyes if you like.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "And second ears, if there's anything I've missed you know it'll be brought to my attention. Equally the Detective Superintendent will also monitor during the course of today, alright''

 Reply "Right.'

 00:01:44 1485 "Are you happy to continue knowing that this interview is being recorded''

 Reply "I'm happy to continue.'

1485 "Okay, and subsequently at the end of this interview it may be that a statement is produced probably later on in the day regarding this interview, okay''

 Reply "That's alright, yes.'

1485 "As I say as I explained as well there may be lots of duplication during this interview, it may be quite tedious because you know you'll have answered it eleven months ago, equally your mind will be quite hazy I'm sure, the sequence of events you know you were interviewed by the Portuguese early doors.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Last May, and your answers may not be parallel to what you spoke to them about, don't worry about it, you know it's passage of time but all I'm asking you to do is to try and recall as much as you can, the days leading up to Madeleine MCCANN'S disappearance because that's what we're here to investigate and at the end of the day you are our witnesses, you're not a suspect you are our witnesses, do you understand that''

 Reply "I do, yes.' 00:02:52

1485 "Okay, David, just tell me a bit about yourself, a bit about your family, you're obviously married to Fiona PAYNE, you've told me where you live, just tell me a bit about yourself and her.'

 Reply "Okay, err as I say we have two children, err Lily and Scarlet, err Lily will be err four in August, Scarlet's nearly two. Err as I say we both work as hospital Doctors err we both, err myself and Fiona trained in Leicester err where we graduated from err we both, we met when we were at Medical School and err yeah on the whole we've worked in the Leicestershire err region. Err you know we're both very happy, err''

1485 "How old are your children sorry' Did you say''

 Reply "Err yes Scarlet will be two in May and Lily will be four in August.'

1485 "And how long you been married''

 Reply "Err we were married since two thousand and three.'

1485 "Two thousand and three''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Okay. Tell me about your social circle.'

 Reply "Okay, err you know, when we got married, we actually got married in Italy and the majority of friends of ours unfortunately, or fortunately, are in the medical profession, I think it's the way it works with the hours and err yeah the nature of the job and exams etcetera, like you tend to socialise quite a lot with medical people. Err obviously the, you know the group who went to Portugal, Russell, err who I knew through, he was in my year at medical school, err subsequently obviously I knew Jane through Russell. Err in terms of Kate and Gerry, we knew, Fiona had worked with Kate and that's how I got to know Kate and Gerry, err you know we have probably a, just a, not a tight band of friends but you know its generally the same people, so the people who went, you know a lot of people came our wedding in Italy, who we subsequently had perhaps been on holiday with but we still stay in touch with. Err and if we socialise with anyone then it tends to be the same, same groups of, same group of people, the majority of them medical, obviously apart from Jane and Rachael of course.'

00:05:31 1485 "Is everybody locally based''

 Reply "Err I mean, err obviously Kate and Gerry being in Leicestershire, Russell and Jane were in the Leicestershire region as well up until last year when they moved err to Exeter. Err and then Matt and Rachael, they also you know were originally in Leicestershire and they've moved down err working in London. Err but, you know, other friends we have, you know we have friends dotted around the country err but you know those are the main.'

1485 "The main.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

 1485 "Okay. Moving on to Portugal, the holiday last year, the holiday started twenty eighth of April and was due to finish the fifth of May I believe. It's my understanding that you did, you were instrumental really in the arranging.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "The co-ordination of the holiday.'

 Reply "That's correct.'

 00:06:37 1485 "What I want you to do now is, don't assume I know anything, okay.'

 Reply "Right.'

1485 "Just imagine that you haven't spoke to anybody in Portugal about this and tell me in the beginning how it all come to happen, in other words who first decided it was going to be Portugal, and then subsequently what happened up until the day that you went away.'

 Reply "Okay. Err it's a long winded answer.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "I mean when we first, err you know the first kind of concept of a group holiday if you like, was when you know we went to Italy for our wedding where we actually stayed, you know we had all of the guests staying there err for that weekend, and you know, I know they all say your wedding's the best, one of the best days in your life but it was just absolutely fantastic. We had children staying there and it was just such a great occasion with, with everyone around and you know everyone came and said what a fantastic, you know, time that they'd had err so you know that was the kind of, if you like, the beginnings of that, that concept of you know a group holiday err we then subsequently err you know we did have holidays with other people, you know we went away with Kate and Gerry and other friends err to Majorca and again you know although it was very hard, you know we'd had difficulties with you know with our child just sleeping wise and you know it's hard work but still you appreciated the fact that there's a group of you there and we subsequently had been away with err Russell, Jane, and Matt and Rachael err on another group holiday err the year after that, and then so we'd always been looking you know to do the same things, it is much easier when you have a group of children you know they interact together and you know it's great for the parents and you're all at a similar stage in life with the way that they're growing up and you know so we were always looking to continue that yearly err holiday, and you know we knew that Kate and Gerry had met Russell and Jane and so you know, like with the wedding, so all the people had you know a reasonable relationship before err we'd gone away to Portugal. So you know we were just looking to continue that err last year. Err we'd all, or certainly we'd been on a Mark Warner before, I think Matt and Rachael and Russell and Jane had been on a Mark Warner type holiday and you know so we were looking to go on that type of holiday where we had err all the amenities that Mark Warner had to offer so they've got you know the sporting facilities, they've got the creche facilities for the children and you know so that, that kind of holiday was what we were looking for. Err I'm trying to remember when we first chatted about you know going on the holiday. I mean I can only remember really that we were trying to arrange it probably two or three months err prior to us actually booking the holiday and err but probably we'd been chatting it I'm sure before, it may well have been before Christmas. Err you know I'd looked on the internet at you know what the availability was in different err locations and Portugal was the only err Mark Warner holiday that would offer err you know a holiday at that time of the year. Err so you know we were hoping that the weather would be fine and Portugal was a reasonable distance for taking children on the plane so we, you know, we settled on, on t hat holiday. Err over the weeks there was quite a lot of discussion about going away, you know, on the Mark Warner holiday err the, you know we, it got to the stage of booking it and then there had been some questioning about the err you know the fact that it wasn't the kind of (inaudible) same holiday as you know other Mark Warner's err you know and you know could they guarantee that we would all be together in err you know the apartments and I'd had quite a discussion with Mark Warner you know email wise just to make, try and make sure that we were guaranteed err together.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:10:59 Reply "And the rationale for that was just that we would you know it's just easier if you are all in the same lot, you know you can go next door and you know, just from the children's point of view you know we would all be segregated if you like. Err and then obviously there was the discovery that that wasn't the same, it wasn't you know the same self contain but err yeah there was similar facilities available. Err I think, yeah so sorry as I was say just to reinforce you know I quite a lot of correspondence with Mark Warner regarding that and the rest of the group. Err I think when you, when you're booking a holiday like this you know I quite enjoy err sorting it out for everybody and err feel some, you know it makes me feel good about myself if I've managed to arrange it for everybody and taken the hard work out of it and you know I ended up organising our wedding because Fiona had got her exams, and it was the same thing you know a lot of people enjoyed themselves, I wanted to try and do the same thing, make it easier for everybody, and err yeah I know that err again there'd been some concern from Kate and Gerry that they wanted to go away on that, both err parties weren't a hundred percent you know sure on that type of holiday. I can't say exactly you know what the reasons, I can't remember and from that point of view but in the end you know we just thought oh it's a great holiday there's, everybody knows everybody and that we would have a very good time there. There was err you know some discussion about where we would fly from and who would fly with who and whether we take the Mark Warner flights and from that point of view we err originally, we eventually settled on that you know we would fly out from East Midlands with Kate and Gerry because the timing of the flights was, was perfect, it wasn't too early in the morning you know so we don't have to go at some ridiculous hour, we don't want to arrive there with kids err tired, and err so you know we, we, err myself, Fiona and Lily and Scarlet then flew out with err Kate and Gerry, Sean, Amelie and Madeleine, and err you know that was basically how we ended up booking the holiday and arriving there.'

 00:13:15 1485 "Okay. I'll just go back to a few things what you've said, who did you book the holiday with''

 Reply "Err the, I mean we booked it directly through Mark Warner.'

1485 "Right.'

 Reply "Err and the ladies that I dealt a lot with and I have, yeah I've got the email, I've actually got the document with all the err you know the email correspondence I had, I think it was, the main lady was a lady called Jasminder MING but you know there was other people that I dealt with booking it, but she was the central figure err that helped us in dealing with.'

 1485 "Right, and you say that Kate and Gerry initially weren't that keen because of, what is it they weren't keen about''

 Reply "Well, say from, you know, from recollections and obviously we have discussed you know the situation since.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err was that you know Kate had got an uneasy feeling, that's all you know, has come back to her and I remember you know again, whether this is something that's subsequently I feel has happened be, you know before the event, but you know Fiona had certainly mentioned it err that you know Kate wasn't quite you know, didn't feel quite easy about it but there was no explanation that I could give you or you know even subsequently err in discussions that you know there wasn't one thing. Kate, err I think Gerry's very, he's very enthusiastic and I think he's you know, you see the way that he's conducted himself you know over the last few months, he's a very sorted person, a very dynamic person you know he was all you know, don't worry you know it'll be fine and everything''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Will work its way out and you know whether it be the logistics of the situation that err Kate was more concerned about you know I really couldn't answer that question.'

1485 "Mm, so just so I've got it straight in my head, did the, the concern from Kate materialise with Fiona since or did it come out in the period that the holiday was booked''

 00:15:19 Reply "I, in my mind there was some concern before the holiday but I find it very difficult to separate whether this is just something which is implanted since we've discussed after err Madeleine's disappearance.'

1485 "Right.'

 Reply "I can't, I couldn't a hundred percent say that in certainty.'

1485 "Okay, and there was some discussion between yourself and Mark Warner regarding the rooms.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "You say you needed the rooms for together''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "What took, what sort of conversations took place''

 Reply "Err basically when, you know prior to the booking err Mark Warner had err he said oh yes it's, you know don't worry we can make sure that all the apartments are together and err then subsequently after booking I then you know, I, obviously it was just something that was very you know because we knew there was some difficulties geographically that you know you could be split out over quite a distance on the actual Mark Warner site. Well that would have impacted, we felt you know quite heavily on the holiday if we'd have you know one couple were, you know, completely out on the limb and everyone else was together so when I'd mentioned this again you know just to, just to err you know, confirm that that would be the situation, that we'd be all together they, the reply was I'm afraid we can't actually guarantee that you will all be together because this is not solely a Mark Warner err set up you know so unfortunately we are slightly err at the vagaries of the Ocean Club about where couples will be but we'll do our utmost to make sure that you are you know together. So err yeah so that's generally the way that the, err the conversation or the email correspondence went. Err I, you know there was other things that were slightly different you know obviously from the childcare you know point of view. They had the, you know they had the listening service that they have, you know at the other Mark Warner venues that we'd been on, and err you know that was part, you know that was the concept again that we were buying in to the Mark Warner and you know when we went out there that was partly, so again there was some correspondence we had with them just you know, just checking what, what was available in terms of the dinners as well, err Mark Warner's are generally I think half, you know half board and that wasn't on offer so there's some differences with Mark, that, that particular err venue compared with the other Mark Warner's that the, that the couples I've already mentioned had been on previously.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:18:00 Reply "And err you know just for the record, embarrassingly or as it turns out now in err retrospect you know it's a small change but you know the Mark Warner had also advertised that you know they were gonna discount the holiday by ten percent you know not long after we booked, which slightly irritated me, given the fact that we booked it and then he said well actually we don't have this, we don't have this, so I'd had correspondence probably being a bit cheeky just to say what, what, you know you can knock us ten percent off as well and they gave us some discount, which you know looking back just seems, you know, ridiculous.'
1485 "Yeah, in the scale of things. Why specifically was it the Ocean Club''

 Reply "Err I mean as I say, we, we bought into the concept of a group holiday, we bought into the concept of Mark Warner, we'd all you know, apart from Kate and Gerry I don't think they'd done Mark Warner, but you know we'd certainly been on that type of holiday before, and as I you know recall they were the only Mark Warner resort that was open at that time of the year. I don't think Egypt was you know available at that time of year, I don't think err Turkey was available and certainly Greece, so I think at that particular moment in time it was just that Portugal was the only one that opened that early in the season.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And it just fitted in with our timings, we felt, you know, obviously you go away, you want it to be a bit warmer and you know we thought that Portugal would be ideal.'

1485 "Right. You've touched on, about the listening service that you say that Mark Warner supply. What did you understand about their listening service' What did it actually do''

 Reply "Err I mean traditionally the, the other resorts they'll have a listening service and what that involves is that, you know, if you're staying on a Mark Warner err resort they will, you know if you ask for this listening service, the parents can go and have their evening meal and you will supply the details of which you know is your accommodation and they will go and listen outside the room of each of the err you know the rooms, just to check whether the baby's crying or there's, you know there seems to be any problem and you know that was obviously what we were hoping for err there as well. You know we realised that that wasn't err what they offered err in Portugal and we knew that they did have err a drop-in err creche for the evenings, you know I cannot, you know I cannot tell you what the times were err that you can leave them but you know we all felt you know that we were going there in, with the mindset that you know we, we you know we could do the if you like the listening outside the door but you know we actually went into rooms or the other couples did and you know do it more frequently and that we were offering exactly the same as what Mark Warner did and the rest of their resort but we were just applying it to Portugal where they didn't offer that service. Err you know the, the, yeah, so that was really''

00:21:10 1485 "Yeah, and over what frequency did you understand that they would have done the listening service''

 Reply "I mean in, at the other resorts that we've been to err I believe they do it every thirty minutes err you know as I say we actually haven't used that service when we've been but you know the friends who have they've, they've said it's around thirty minutes.'

1485 "Yeah, and did the group, were the group aware that that was the listening service's, well that's what was available within the listening service' Was''

 Reply "I, I would be pretty sure that most people before they went away knew, its the kind of thing that I'd be a bit anal about, that oh crikey or they don't offer this and oh you know they said that they 'd got this and its not available and I would, you know I'd have seen it as my responsibility again, I haven't actually checked through the emails, you know obviously some of it may have been on phone calls, to actually validate that but I'd be pretty sure that everyone was aware that we would be going knowing exactly what the circumstances were, and I think, I suppose for my mindset, the main thing for me was that we were all, everyone was together as a group you know the locality of the, sort of the vicinity of the rooms was, was close enough to make everything as easy as possible, you know from, from all perspectives, whether it be during the day or, or during the evening.'

00:22:37 1485 "Yeah, okay. So you've stopped your recall at the flights, so you get to the airport, airport went okay''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Because you said that you flew with Gerry, Kate and Gerry.

 Reply "We did, yes.'

1485 "And''

 Reply "Yeah we had err you know a very good flight err from my, I can remember it wasn't err, it was, the flight was about nine in the morning, nine, nine thirty. Err everyone you know seemed, it seemed to go without any event, we didn't remember it as one of the worst flights we'd ever had going, I couldn't say that about some of the other flights that we've been on so the kids you know I'm sure they'd, you know it was very easy you know they'd all behaved themselves and there's as least hassle as possible err you know everyone's excited, it's you know that time of the year you're all looking forward and err Lily you know and Madeleine you know had met many times before and you know they were happy to be together err I can remember you know them holding hands and you know getting on the plane and we've got the video footage on the, you know on the err phone of that you know when Madeleine, you know, slipped and banged her leg. Err you know it was as I say a very straight forward flight, got there with minimal hassle err at some stage you know there was some text messages with the rest of the group they'd you know already arrived before us. Err you know we were met by, err you know Gerry had organised err the taxi side of it err over in err Portugal, you know it had been my responsibility to sort out the Mark Warner and everything and Gerry had err had you know err paid for the flight and he'd sorted the taxis out over there. Err you know the being concerned about the child seats in the taxi but you know we were all relatively happy err going to the resort, it just all seemed very straight forward, very seamless, err you know we were, as I say there was, there was just no problems that you really could recall at that stage, it was very straight forward.'

00:25:01 1485 "During the flight did Kate refer to her concerns again''

 Reply "No, no I mean err you know she, I think to play on that particular aspect of like how worried she was about going away would probably be over cooking it really, overstating the case. Err you know Kate is a, you know is a very optimistic person and you know once she'd made the decision you know went with it and you know Kate very happy to be there and part of the group and certainly didn't voice any concerns going over there.'

1485 "Okay. The rest of the group, sorry, in your group, in your flight''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Was yourself.'

 Reply "Yes.'

 1485 "Fiona.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Your two children.'

 Reply "That's correct.'

1485 "Dianne''

 Reply "Err yes Dianne, yes.'

 1485 "Kate, Gerry, Amelie.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Madeleine and Sean.'

 Reply "That's correct.'

1485 "Yeah, and you flew from East Midlands''

 Reply "That's correct.'

1485 "The others, where did the others fly from''

 Reply "Err the others flew from, I think it was Heathrow, I'm not a hundred percent sure, Heathrow or Gatwick, but err you know they, I think they'd, they'd gone with a Mark Warner flight which was supplied with the, as I say the Heathrow or Gatwick, and so they'd gone at any earlier flight but I think you know it was err you know a cheaper option. We ended up paying extra money than, you know, want for the flight times which were more appropriate and not having to travel down err to London, but we felt that was more you know as I say better for the children, they'd get a longer sleep plus we didn't have to pay for car parks down in London and petrol etcetera so err but I cannot, I'm not a hundred percent sure whether it's Heathrow or Gatwick, sorry.'
00:26:49 1485 "Okay, okay. So when you get to Portugal, tell me about the scenario from the time you left the airport to the time you was actually booked in at the Ocean Club.'

 Reply "Yes, yeah err the, you know we, we got the, the taxi which Gerry had sorted out err you know I say we got all the baggage in err you know from the seat, the car seating we were just trying to work out what the best options and where to put the children into the taxi. We then had the journey from the airport to Praia Da Luz and err you know again very straight forward err yeah I can't remember how long it took whether it be forty minutes or, or whatever. Err we arrived there, there was a little bit of difficulty actually finding err where we needed to be err at the err Ocean Club. Yeah I seem to, we had some texts I think in the, you know with err Russell and Matt, you know where were they, what were they up to and you know the rooms and etcetera. We then, we finally found the err the reception at the Ocean Club which was you know err geographically slightly different distance from where we were err staying err and then we were met err at the reception there. Again, I can't remember who err met us, we gave err you know we picked up err you know so we got a letter and we were, we then went back on to the err transport which took us down to the rooms but I think you know there was either one or two of the Mark Warner representatives and then we you know we then went to the rooms that we were allocated and err you know obviously err Russell, Jane and Matt and Rachael were already err in their rooms and then we just kind of looked at the sheets and oh that's where our room is, we found the room and Kate and Gerry then went off err to their room. Err we, you know we'd kind of meet up and have a chat about what's going on there you know and that's how we arrived at the rooms.'

00:29:04 1485 "Okay, tell me about your room.'

 Reply "Okay.'

1485 "Where it was, or''

 Reply "We, yeah we were, we were slightly different to the other three apartments err we were, we were upstairs err we, you know the other parties were all err in the apartments downstairs, err you went in through the, you know, the door into the apartment which took you into the living area. Err in the living area slightly to the right was the dining room, all open plan, and there was a patio doors you know which led out to the balcony. Err if you turned right immediately into the apartment there was the, err the kitchen, err if you went into the main living area and turned left that took you to the, err bedrooms and the bathroom. The first on the left was one of the bedrooms as you're walking along and then you had, going in an anticlockwise direction, there was the, err the bathroom and then the next room you know anticlockwise was the other bedroom. Err and then there was the, obviously the lounge part, there was the television, there was err, err a sofa in there which was a sofa bed which is where Dianne err slept and I say then there was a balcony with a sliding doors which led out to the balcony. Err so that's pretty much the, the apartment.'

00:30:33 1485 "How good are you at sketching''

 Reply "Err, not very good.'

1485 "Otherwise it's just a brief like birds-eye view floor plan of when you come in.'

 Reply "Okay. So if you were walking through the door err here, which you opened, as you walk in here the kitchen would have been just here, and there was a doorway just leading in, into the kitchen. This was part of the dining room, you know you've got the sliding doors which were, you know just situated here, this was the, err where the dining room table was. You had the err lounge part here, there was a television just over, you know, in the corner here and there's another chair about there and then I think there's the sofa was over here. Err there was a err piece of furniture like a dresser or a side cabinet there, as you came along here, I've drawn this bit wrong.'

1485 "It's alright.'

 Reply "The, the, yeah the first bedroom would have been you know kind of here. Then you had the bathroom which was here and then you had the next bedroom was here, so the doorways were in there, no sorry there and there into the bedrooms, yeah.'

1485 "Yeah''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "I've got the gist of that.'

 Reply "But that's, yeah so.'

00:32:07 1485 "Just mark on what rooms they are, you say that's the kitchen.'

 Reply "So that's the kitchen there, that's the dining room, that's kind of the lounge there, that's the balcony, err so that's bedroom one, that's the bathroom, that's bedroom two.'

1485 "Okay so we have bedroom one and we have bedroom two.'

 Reply "Yes.'

 1485 "Which bedroom did your children sleep in''

 Reply "Err in''

1485 "Or which did you designate for them to sleep in''

 Reply "Yeah we had err Lily err was in bedroom one and''

 1485 "That's the one nearest to that door there.'

 Reply "That's correct.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And Scarlet was staying in with us in bedroom two. Err and as I say Dianne was in the lounge err on a, on a, you know the sofa bed.'

00:33:11 1485 "Right. The door, the outside door that you entered, what sort of a door was that''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "Sorry, weird question really.'

 Reply "Yes, yes.'

 1485 "How did it lock, and''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Was it secure''

 Reply "Err you needed, yeah once the door was shut, you know you needed the keys to, you know to gain entry err into the apartment. Err I can't remember whether we ever had, you know whether you can deadlock it so that you could get in and out with the door open, but essentially you needed the key you know, to use, if I remember to gain access into the, err into the apartment, and you know generally it was difficult because there was, you know we'd ask about more than one key, there was the only one key to the apartment so during the day time you know we left the key under the, the err there was a mat err outside, err you know that you wipe your feet on, and err you know that's, that's basically how we gained entry into it during the day time.'
00:34:18 1485 "And your pat, you say your patio doors.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "So you were on, upstairs''

 Reply "We were.'

1485 "Is that the first floor or the second floor''

 Reply "Err so ground floor is obviously the floor where you're walking around.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And then you went up one flight of stairs err to what I would call the first floor.'

1485 "Okay, and how was that door accessed''

 Reply "Err I mean essentially you know as you came out of the apartment we were quite close to err a lift err and you know stairs at the side so you virtually come out of that lift or at the stairs and then you would go into that apartment, but there was access err to other apartments with a walk way generally along the side.'

1485 "Yeah, and once you'd got outside, what's the scenario outside''

 Reply "Err I mean if you, you're coming out of the apartment through the err front door you, you know as I say you were close to the lift and elevator. If you went to the side of that there was you know like a balcony that you could then look on err you know out on the car park err and then you could see you know the main road, you know, beyond that and then there was err some other apartments that you could make out you know which were a reasonable distance away but you could, you know, see, you know you could make out people at that distance. Err and that was essentially it.'

00:35:42 1485 "Okay. I've got another sketch for you to draw now but I'm not looking for anything to Rolf Harris.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Just a birds-eye view of your apartment.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "In relation to the rest of your group.'

 Reply "Right. This''

1485 "I know that you say that you're upstairs and they're downstairs.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "If you could just sort of do a block of upstairs.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "And then do a block of downstairs and then pinpoint where they were, if you see what I mean.'
 Reply "Okay, yeah. So, I mean, if you, if that was the end of the block and this is the ground, err sorry this is the upstairs.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "So I've got first floor on that. The err so if you were out on the balcony here.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "I mean it was slightly difficult because you were , you know, you couldn't quite see down below, whether, sorry, then if this is the ground floor err block. It's obviously it's very easy to remember that err Kate and Gerry's apartment was right you know at the end.'

 1485 "Yes.'

 Reply "Of there. There was certainly a gap in between one of the apartments and I can't remember whether that gap was in between err Kate and Gerry's and Matt and Rachael's, or that whether it was between Matt and Rachael's and Russell and Jane's but essentially you know, this, sorry I'll just draw these on, so that's the front, that's the front, err Russ and Jane's were the closest to us so you know they were directly below.'

1485 "Yes.'

 Reply "Then Matt and Rachael, so, so Russ and Jane, so Matt and Rachael were either next door to Russ and Jane or there was a gap in between and then you had Kate and Gerry's, you know at the end, but I can't really give it any more...'

1485 "Yeah that's fine, that's fine.'

 Reply "Yeah, so''

 00:37:52 1485 "So the rear then, which is that side there.'

 Reply "Yes, yeah.'

1485 "Have you got the pool in front of you then''

 Reply "Yes, I mean look, looking, err looking out err the pool err was slightly off to the side but you know kind of that angle err but you know we had very good vision err of the pool and people.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err you know by the side of the pool and err yeah and in between obviously the, the apartments there was the back of the apartments where they you know you could walk out at which part of the apartment and then there was the walk where the alley way which you know then separated the block from the Ocean Club. Err so we generally, if I chatted to anyone it wasn't usually when they were in the garden below us it was more, they would be either walking you know we'd be sat on the balcony and someone would walk by or someone was at the pool and we'd have a conversation, kind of thing.'
 
00:38:48 1485 "Yeah. Just jumping back, I've got a little bit ahead of myself, the listening service I understand that you made your own arrangements in relation to listening, child listening''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "What's the circumstances regarding your listening arrangements''

 Reply "Err we, yeah, had err got a digital monitor which you know we obviously we used back, back home. Err yeah it was very good, it was very foolproof, we were very happy with the monitor. Err it's quite a high tech monitor, you could play tunes at the other end of the monitor and so you know when err Scarlet was very little we had that option to use that. So you know we had chatted about what we felt was you know reasonably err you know safe, and we say safe in the perspective of you know both our children at that stage were in cots, you know I think the two main things that you would be concerned about or you know obviously not retrospectively now but certainly before the holiday was whether the child was gonna wake up crying you or whether the child could get you know away from the area where they were. So from our point of view we thought well they're both in cots, they can't get out their cots and the monitor you know covered the crying issue. Err the monitor we checked you know that it worked and that you could hear you know from that distance err there's, I think there's a fail safe on it if it loses signal it start, you know the distance between the base and the err mobile unit err you know, you, you get red lights showing that there is, you know that the reception is being lost. So you know we did chat you know right from the beginning whether we felt that was, you know that was reasonable and in our assessment we felt that was reasonable. Err you know we, we generally stayed err in the room, no sorry in the apartment until the children you know had fallen asleep, you know and then, you know we did all go down together and err so yeah there was occasions where you could hear something perhaps on the monitor in the room while you were you know over in the Tapas area. Err so you know on the whole we, you know, we were happy''

1485 "You were okay with that''

 00:41:22 Reply "With that, that scenario'.

1485 "Where did you, where did you place the intercom when you went''

 Reply "Err the, obviously with the, the map of the, err the rooms err you know we, we tended to leave the doors open of the two rooms and we either left them, you know, usually left the monitor here. Err I can't remember exactly where the plug point was but usually because we were, you know, if anyone was gonna cry it was more likely gonna be Scarlet but you could hear.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You know but the, the distance between the two rooms is nothing.'

1485 "Yes.'

 Reply "And err you know so it was virtually slightly closer to bedroom two but certainly you know, no, no distance at all from bedroom one.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "You know there were, you know the, the, the, you know as I say the quality of the err listening monitor was, you could set the sensitivity of it to you know whatever you wanted and you know we obviously had it on maximum sensitivity and there was no concern about you know we weren't gonna hear them when they were crying.'

00:42:38 1485 "What about the sliding doors in the apartment, what were they like''

 Reply "Err the sliding doors were a slight, they were slightly difficult to lock and that was you know one of our concerns err when we were there and it was, it was quite temperamental whether you could open them or, or, or lock them, and err yeah especially you know sometimes we had the other children coming up there so it was difficult but there was someone on the balcony or if their children were to you know venture out we would keep an eye and you know explain to them that they shouldn't be out on the balcony you know without an adult present. Err but obviously we tried to keep the err door shut when no-one was out on the balcony and err open if there's someone sat out there keeping an eye on them. Err the way it opened and locked was again I think it was err like a, a, a lat, you know like a lever which went up and down and I just remember it not being the most easy to err work out how to shut and, a bit temperamental.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "So err you know so that was probably one of the slight difficulties with that room.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You know, being on the first floor.'

1485 "Did any of the internal doors have any locks on''

 Reply "Err the bathroom did but I can't remember the, whether the bedrooms did or not.'

00:44:11 1485 "Okay. So the picture I was painting there was just to get a, for me to get a view really of''

 Reply "Yes.'

 1485 "Of what you were faced with when you got your apartment.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Do you remember what number your apartment was''

 Reply "Err four G' I don't know, I don't know. I probably would have said, well hopefully I would have said on my previous statement you know.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But four, you know''

1485 "It's what you can remember now.'

 Reply "Four G kind of rings a bell but I wouldn't certainly, you know.'

 1485 "Okay, okay. So moving on then, we, you arrive at your apartment.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "You say that you've, that the bus has took you round, you've gone to yours, Gerry and Kate have gone to theirs, Matt and Rachael and Russell were already there.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "What sort of time in the day was this''

 Reply "Crikey, err it was, I'd have said mid afternoon, yeah perhaps around three, four o' clock err in the afternoon, still, you know light, still some time in the day left yeah to enjoy it, and again that was one of the benefits of that flight, it was a nice time that we weren't arriving there at, at night, you know the kids would go straight to bed so you just had a bit of day light, you know just to see what the place was like and err you know just to make the most of that bit of day that you had left.'

00:45:32 1485 "Okay. So now what I want you to do is talk me through the rest of your day. Try and, try not to leave out anything.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "How menial it may be.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "If you can remember talking to anybody to the time you went to bed.'

 Reply "Mm, err I think one of the things that I remember is there was difficulties you know we was trying to get the cots situation sorted out and I can't remember, I mean I've thought about this when, you know because I went into Kate and Gerry's apartment right, you know from the beginning to sort out one of the cots because I don't think they, you know, there was a spare one they, they'd had or just to work that out, but err you know during, during the day as I say I, its such a long time ago and all I can remember is we were you know excited, we were going into one person's apartment, having a chat and seeing where they'd been, err you know but I must admit I can't give any detail really err regarding exactly who we chatted to or what, the rest of that day. Err you know we, you know we all went err to Millennium, again I, whether it was the Saturday night or the Sunday night I'm not, I can't recall.'

1485 "Mm.'

 00:46:51 Reply "And err you know we all, you know that was the first group meeting that we'd had all, altogether but I'm sorry I can't really recall more.'

1485 "Mm, how long before you all went to the Millennium, I appreciate you're all excited and, in your words, you'd gone into each others apartments, you'd gone into you know Kate and Gerry's.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "How long before you'd all sort of, all the excitement had subsided if you like before you eventually went up to, left the apartments as a group''

 Reply "Yes, I'm really sorry I can't say exactly what time.'

1485 "No, sort of rough time.'

 Reply "Rough, roughly''

1485 "Rough sort of time span.'

 Reply "Err I mean, several, it must have been several hours because the girls you know were excited, they're playing and everything, so I, I'd say several hours but I'm sorry, I can't say any more.'

1485 "That's okay, if you can't remember times''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "During this interview, try and refer to time spans.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "That might make it, that's a more of a broader''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Spectrum isn't it.'

 Reply "Yes.'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 21, 2017, 12:11:PM
I am more inclined to believe that Maddie might have already died or been killed before the McCanns left apartment 5a to go to the tapas bar from drinks and food! I believe this to be true because of the cadaver scent left in the apartment, having said this, how long does a body have to have been dead before it's gives off sufficient cadaver odour? I believe there might not have been sufficient amount of time for Maddie's body to leave enough cadaver odour behind the sofa, or in the parents wardrobe if she had died or had been killed in apartment 5a say between Gerry's 9.10pm check, Matt Oldfield's 9.30pm check, and Kate's 10pm check! If that proves to be the case, for example if there's a minimum period of time after a person dies, say two to three, or even four hours, then the parents can't have left all three of the children alive in the bedroom of their apartment (5a) when leaving to go to the tapas bar! Maddie would already have been dead by that stage! Same applies regarding Gerry's 9.10pm check, and Matt. Oldfields 9.30pm, check...

More research needs to be done into the rates at which cadaver odours are generated in different environments...
I cannot believe that 2 parents with no background of violence or abuse would kill their child and gaily go off to a tapas bar to meet friends, eat drink and be merry.  Only a highly disordered person could ever behave in such a way.  With respect Mike, that argument simply doesn't get off the ground with me.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 01:21:PM
I cannot believe that 2 parents with no background of violence or abuse would kill their child and gaily go off to a tapas bar to meet friends, eat drink and be merry.  Only a highly disordered person could ever behave in such a way.  With respect Mike, that argument simply doesn't get off the ground with me.

Question marks hang over Gerry McCanns background involving his daughter, and David Payne if I recollect correctly, on a previous holiday - witness statements were made by people arousing suspicion. So, it might not be as clear cut as your suggesting!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 01:52:PM
David Payne interview continued:-


1485 "Rather than say from four till five if you say a couple of hours, you know, that will probably help me to build a picture.'

 Reply "Yes, yes.'

1485 "Of you know the chronologic in your day really.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "So the period of time was a couple of hours from arriving to going up to the Millennium''

 Reply "Err I'd have said something around two to three hours.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Probably, roughly.'

00:48:19 1485 "And you all went up as a group''

 Reply "Err again, as far as I can remember we were all there, you know, it just seemed like the first, as I say as far as I can remember it was the Saturday evening we all went up there err you know you want to explore as well, you know this was one of the places that we'd been told you know err would, whether there was a reception there you know and we'd been advised to go there that night you know, again I can't remember if that was on the information advice but that's what we, you know decided on, and err you know just to see what it was like up there and you know you want to explore what the rest of the place is like. You know you're already thinking you know where are you gonna eat, perhaps on other nights and err things like that, err so we went up there you know as far as I can remember that night and with the, with the whole group.'

1485 "Okay. How long do you think you stayed up there' Again, no, doesn't have to be times but more sort of time spans.'

 Reply "Err I thought we were there, you know a good couple of hours, it certainly felt, you know, err around that time span.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "Err, yeah just working out you know where we're gonna eat and sit, sit down there and you know think there wasn't gonna be too many people there right at the beginning err eating in the Millennium, and err you know its like where are the high chairs its all new err get them sit down then you're all having a good chat you know you met up and err certainly you know two hours or maybe longer.'

00:49:54 1485 "Mm, and when you finally left did everybody leave as a group' Or did you leave in dribs and drabs''

 Reply "I haven't a clue, I really can't recall.'

1485 "Did you go anywhere else that night''

 Reply "Err I don't think we did no, I don't think so.'

1485 "You didn't go back to the Tapas bar''

 Reply "No.'

1485 "The first night.'

 Reply "No.'

1485 "Okay, and during, I know you say generally speaking you were all chatting and excited about the holiday, but is there anything that stands out in your mind that you'd spoke about on that first day''

 Reply "Err, I mean, you know the fact, I think the fact that we were upstairs was you know, you know going back to my slightly embarrassing side of you know moaning so much about being together and everything and we'd ended up being put up, upstairs you know err so it you know it just felt like, you know whether I'd been opening my mouth too much and they put us you know above everyone else and whether that was perceived as any difference to the other apartments in terms of you know was it better to have a balcony upstairs and, you know.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "Slightly better view looking across at the sea or whatever you know...'

1485 "The rivalry crept in did it''

 00:51:18 Reply "Well not that anyone said that or anything but you just, you know again you don't want to be, err whether they were placating us just to make, you know because I'd moaned so much.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But a, but apart from that I think you know everyone had err settled in err pretty much err we could well have had a beer in the apartment you know earlier on in the day again and you know just, I can't remember you know exactly, but you know everyone was relatively happy and unscathed.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "I think when you're err commuting with children, flying and airports they all get very tired and grumpy and I think we all, were all quite unscathed err and we were just looking forward to the week ahead and you know what activities we were gonna do, so there was nothing really that stood out at all, no.'

1485 "Okay. Did anybody comment about the listening service that night, the first night''

 Reply "Comment' Not that I'm aware of, not that I'm aware of. Err yeah I say you know it's a, you know it's a reasonably sized group, you've got quite a lot of high chairs intermingled you know so it kind of splits the group up a bit and you know so if anyone else had that conversation then perhaps but it's certainly something that I don't recall. You know there certainly wasn't you know any, I don't think, there wasn't certainly err a feeling of oh crikey this isn't, err you know this is, this is not a safe place, you know as a, you know a small community you know we may have commented it's different to err previous Mark Warner's, whether that was that night or whether that was another night in that you know it wasn't, you know what we'd all been on a Mark Warner before, you know we were all perhaps quite, it wasn't quite as obvious you know as we thought that it wouldn't be, you know like the other places, quite as self contained but there wasn't still a feeling of err concern you know, we were, you know we were all, we were still very enthusiastic about err the holiday. I mean that wasn't you know generally, you know if there's something which is a miss, out of place then these things tend to get, you know mooted around the group so it wasn't something that was you know really chatted at any great length if it was discussed at all.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:53:53 Reply "I think the only thing that probably became apparent about the Millennium where we ate was that that was a distance away from where we were staying and in terms of you know the logistics of getting from where we were to there with the small children and you know the pushchairs when some of them were perhaps a little bit old to go in the pushchair and wanted to walk, which it was just a little bit too far for them to walk. There was the, you know, the main, there's a main road that you had to cross over which, well it wasn't busy busy but you know, so that was, you know if there's any discussion I'd have said that was probably the most you know err that might have been said that night.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But I mean again, that doesn't stand out majorly in my mind.'

1485 "Yeah, okay. So the night ended, you've gone back to your apartments.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Anybody back to each other's apartments or was it just general''

 Reply "(Sigh) err I'm, I'm, sorry I can't, I just can't recall.'

1485 "Okay, well did anybody come back to your apartment on the first night''

 Reply "Err you know, they could have done, but I can't, I can't recall at all.'

1485 "Okay. I forgot to ask you, could you see the Tapas bar from your balcony''

 Reply "You, you can yes, I mean there's a, there's a screen which is in the way err you know for a direct vision so if you were going from, from looking out from our apartment, you know you have the, obviously the gardens of the people's apartments directly below us, then you had the alley way, then you had a bit of land, then you had the swimming pool, then a bit more land then you had the Tapas bar.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "But in between the pool and the Tapas bar there was some screening but you know it wasn't to the stage that you couldn't see through the screening. Err but to the degree of could you see who was exactly in the Tapas bar and where they were sat, it wasn't that easy you know to make that out but you could see the Tapas area.'

00:56:03 1485 "Yeah, I mean as the crow flies, how far do you think it was from your balcony to the Tapas bar''
 Reply "Err I would have said about, about thirty metres.'

1485 "And how long would it take you to walk''

 Reply "To walk down.'

1485 "From your apartment to the Tapas''

 Reply "Okay, so I mean you, the majority was you know, you'd go down the stairs, you'd go round err through the car park, turn right, right down the road and go in through the main entrance, so you're looking at a couple of minutes you know walk.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "Err from leaving the door to arriving at the Tapas bar err you know there, there's a way you could go slightly around the side but I, you know, again in terms of time to get in, get in to the Tapas bar I don't think it made a great deal of err difference.'

1485 "Okay. So let's move on to the next day, your first full day which is the Sunday.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Tell me as much as you can.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

 1485 "From the time you got up till the time you went to bed.'

 00:57:18 Reply "I think err from my point of view, you know I find it very difficult to recall the exact events you know err you know on a day to day err basis. You know I find it easier just to say generally what happened you know during the week than''

 1485 "Well the first day you would have sorted out your activities wouldn't you''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "So if that helps you''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "To at least get the first day out the way.'

 Reply "Yeah, err you know we, I mean the one thing that we, me and Fiona were quite keen on would be to err you know there was, on the water sports err side of things. Err we were keen to put the kids into the creche you know for the morning, err you know we were gonna look, you know the, ours tended to sleep during the afternoon so err you know on the, again we'd have perhaps gone down to the water, you know the water sports area just to you know maybe to sign up for courses there, err as I say we were just generally interested in trying to err windsurf and perhaps go on the dinghies. Err other members of the group were really interested in you know the tennis side of things and getting the lessons but I'm really sorry I can't remember exactly.'
00:58:37 1485 "Where did you breakfast on the first day''

 Reply "Err I mean we could you know obviously there's the Supermarket, which wasn't too err far away, did we all go up, I'm trying to think whether we went to the Millennium for the breakfast or whether we went to the Supermarket on the first day. I can't remember, I'm sorry.'
 Reply "Okay, and you mentioned your creches.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Did you take your''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "What time would you have taken them to the creche''
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 Reply "I mean well Lily and err Scarlet you know, being the different age groups, were in different places and err Scarlet was down by the err the actual reception at the Ocean Club and err Scarlet, err Lily was up at the err Tapas bar. Err so generally Fi would take Scarlet after breakfast err which we you know we did often have. Again you know we stayed on for four weeks unfortunately after and you know we had breakfast in the apartment and it just blurs.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "One into the other, whether you know we were at the Millennium but I seem to remember that we would generally go to the Millennium. There was one morning I can recollect that err you know that Kate and Gerry were walking back and found it difficult because Sean and Amelie were, as I say, in the age where they wanted to walk but it was difficult to get them and I think they were, you know generally thinking that the Millennium for breakfast wasn't probably a particularly a good idea, which you know I think more often than not we generally ate at the Millennium, err and then after we'd eaten breakfast there which, and again I think finished at nine o' clock, we would then, you know after we'd finished breakfast try and get them down to err you know drop them off at the Ocean Club or at the creche by the Tapas, then you know depending on whether there was anything going on that morning from the sporting point of view then you know we'd go wherever. Err you know mixed into the melee was you know we often went in the morning to the Supermarket to do a bit of a shop and you know with a big group that we seemed to get through things pretty quickly and err so as I say I'm afraid one day does blur into another, I can't really recall specifics.'

01:01:02 1485 "Okay. I understand that your apartment was like the meeting place.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Can you recall that''

 Reply "Yes, definitely. Err you know, I, I, it just happened you know the way it happened you know people just gravitated up to err to our room err you know it's, I suppose some part we'd got Dianne there who is fantastic at you know helping, you know it's a free set of hands whereas you know Russ and Jane obviously they've got two, and we've got two and so you know it was good that we've got someone extra to help out while you know someone's preparing the food, keep an eye on the children, err so often you know we would, you know we'd con, congregate there at lunch time and quite often if I remember Matt and Rachael would bring Grace along and you know we'd eat there together. Err a lot of the time we didn't tend to see you know Kate and Gerry you know it was more Russell and Jane primarily I remember, and sometimes Matt and Rachael and Grace but generally err Kate and Gerry would do their own thing err you know during the day, so that's, but they you know they would still come up you know from time to time. So it was well used at the, that first floor.'

01:02:26 1485 "Was it, I notice you say that you didn't see much of Kate and Gerry and you that sparsely see Russell and, was it something that you discussed before the holiday that you was gonna all do your own thing in the day then just meet up for night time''

Reply "Err no, no it was just one of these things that you know naturally happened err I think the children, you do whatever is the easiest and you know you fall into a pattern and it just seemed, you know whenever you wanted to put your kids down or whenever they were tired or you know as I say ours slept in the afternoon but I'm, you know for example I know that Sean and Amelie didn't you know tend to have sleeps err you know and Madeleine, during the day. So you know they, yeah their time was pretty occupied right from first thing in the morning till''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You know when they went to bed, whereas for us we had that kind of period of time where we had to be up in our room, you know to get them off to bed after and so we would, that's why we were generally at that spot at the same time, whereas you know err whatever routine that Kate and Gerry fell into they fell into it for, you know to fit around the way that they constructed their day, err as, you know I say they, you know they were keen on the tennis side of it so that was something that they were doing err so it's all, you know, to'ing and fro'ing, perhaps you know like Dianne one day would have a lesson, then one day err you know Jane would perhaps err play and stay with Matt and Rachael err Matt was quite keen on the water sports and Russell so perhaps some days they'd go down so it's all very dynamic err situation. But err you know I, I suppose the other thing is you know Lily and Ella you know they've grown up from very little together so it was always nice for them to, to, you know to join up together and whether that was''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You know its quite subconscious things as well, they like meeting up, err during the mornings Ella you know was slightly older than Lily so she'd go to the err Ocean Club and err yeah so Lily didn't see Ella so you know she perhaps, you know come up at that stage you know, so.'

01:04:52 1485 "So your days generally speaking were taken up by doing your own activities.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "And taking your children to activities then doing your water sports.'

 Reply "That's it.'

1485 "Eating and them having a sleep.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Would that be the generally, I'm not gonna go through day to day''

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Because you''

 Reply "I can't.'

 1485 "I get the picture what you're saying is''

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "I can understand that.'

 Reply "Yeah, I mean you know some days we'd perhaps go, you know as I say it wasn't the same everyday and we'd perhaps go down to the beach you know we'd take you know go down to the beach or perhaps we'd do some water sports down there and then err Fiona would perhaps bring the kids along and we'd, you know we'd play with them on the beach and then we'd, you know we'd have something to eat err down in the restaurant at the err which looked over the beach. So, but you know large, by and large there wasn't a great deal of variety, we didn't say oh we'd try eating there another night or we'll do this on err you know another night. I think you know when we ate at the Millennium on the first night we you know we'd give them, what I said before, the it's a bit away and everything and, and I can't remember whose idea it was but you know well we thought the Tapas bar, that's much better why don't we try and err book there. Err I think, I think it was Rachael, she's very organised and err you know whether she just booked for the first night at the Tapas and then decided that she's gonna book for subsequent nights err at the err not the main reception but the reception leading into the Tapas area, the Paul with I think the lady's Sylvia, and so she booked the err you know from early in the morning because I think they had to get in early to make sure that you know they could guarantee, there's only so many people who could eat there.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:06:38 Reply "And we just thought it was much better to eat there, it was much more convenient and err you know there wasn't the, you know you had to walk away and it just, you know seemed a much better idea doing that really but you know generally we just fell into the pattern on the whole but a slight variation of where we ate but not a great deal.'

1485 "Mm, so for the rest of the week did you, the first night was the Millennium.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "For the rest of the week did you then eat at the Tapas every night''

 Reply "Yes, yes. I think, yes I think you know for me, Fiona and Dianne you know we, fortunately for us, managed to be there you know every night, usually most nights there was somebody who'd been, or a child who'd been ill and you know their parents would you know stay to look after the child or you know if they'd been unwell themselves you know and didn't, didn't want to come out so, but we you know, we were there every night.'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 02:05:PM
David Payne interview continued..


1485 "Yeah. So that, it's okay, so that first night then at the Tapas, that was obviously when this relaying came to notice where everyone was checking their children. Can you tell me about that''

 Reply "Yeah, err it's, it's funny in that you know you, when you're with a group of people and you're sat at a table, you don't, you know you're not always aware of you know, if it was four people sat at a table and someone goes its much more obvious you know that they've gone err and given the fact that we were slightly different in the way that you know we had the monitoring service, that, I didn't quite pay attention to what everyone else was doing but they were very, you know by the conversation you know who was going, you know they were very, the other groups were very strict in the timing that they would go. Err you know the, you know the certain, you know from what I can remember there wasn't anything longer than thirty minutes you know in between one of the couples looking after their own, and again this is only from chatting to people, not from my own recollections.'

1485 "Right.'

 01:08:48 Reply "Is that they all looked after their own children, they all went to look on their own children from each of the nights but you know I was just, you know slightly oblivious to this because we'd set up ours and you know I know everyone went at some stage.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err as I say you know err one night you know Matt wasn't very well and you know wasn't there, err and you know so there were some nights where you, you realised at the table that someone was, you know was missing for the full event of the evening and then you'd perhaps see someone might go, so most of the time you know people would, you know from the group someone would go at a regular interval, and you know all I can say was you know people were very strict about this and it was something that they you know, it wasn't like ah shall we go now, you know now we've, nah they'll be fine, it wasn't you know everyone was very strict and it comes back to the, you know the Mark Warner, we were just trying to replicate what they, you know as a policy which they've adapted you know at their sights across Europe.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And we thought well okay if they're not gonna do that we'll, you know this is what we do, it's not, not far away err so and everyone adhered, you know looked after their own children and did it very regularly. But I couldn't say on this night this person went.'

01:10:12 1485 "Right, I'm gonna ask you that, I'm gonna ask you to try and think now, see if you can see it in your head now any occasions where you noticed say Matt had gone and then you noticed when Jane had gone, try and see it in your head and try and, it doesn't necessarily have to be in the, I'm only interested at this moment up until Wednesday.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Try and remember whether you saw specifically anything going on.'

 Reply "Mm yeah, err I mean as I say I know, or, I, the big problems with err Matt he'd been unwell one night and Grace had been poorly and I think and Evie so there'd been some, you know there'd been concerns from that point of view and err so perhaps one of those, you know the adults out of the people I just mentioned would be you know away from the table but specifically who went back to look on what night and who went you know there's no chance that I remember.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "I've, I thought about this but I can't, can't recall.'

1485 "Yeah. Do you recollect, I'm just trying to pick at a loose end, but could you see your own apartment from where you were sat''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "And did you sit in the same seat virtually every evening''

 Reply "Err wasn't the same seat every evening, err but I tended to sit more round one side of the table than, than the others which, you know I generally, you know if I tried to paint a picture that I was in a prime seat so I could look into my apartment every night then that wouldn't be truthful.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "But err but just by where I did sit I generally could see in that direction.'

01:12:00 1485 "Right, okay. Is there anything at all that you can think might be useful leading up to Thursday, in the evenings, that you can remember now''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "And conversation' Because I understand it was cold, rainy on a couple of days.'

 Reply "Mm, mm, yes. I mean from the, you know from the, yeah it was quite cold some nights and you know perhaps nearly too cold to be sat outside err but there was certainly nothing that you know led me to any concern during that week err you know it was, you know we were all quite happy with, I say, what we were doing and err where, you know the way that we'd tackle things, it was err you know there's nothing that in my mind worried me.'

1485 "Okay, and again going back to the daytime, in amongst your activities, because your activities, Fiona's activities in relation to the other group's activities, is there anything that stands out''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "The beach''

 Reply "No, I mean we sometimes we'd, you know on the beach we'd see the Mark Warner you know see our children down there and sometimes it was you know err you'd see them playing there which was a little bit difficult because you know you didn't want them to see you because it'd be hard on them. I often went down with Fiona, as I say we were err you know interested in the water sports side of things err and err Matt and Russell sometimes went you know they, Matt's very good on the err catamaran and I know that Russell and Matt sometimes did that. Err and I say Kate and Gerry took, I don't they're particularly water sports err people, err so they, you know they weren't interested in that side of it but you know, there was nothing really that sprung to my attention that worried me.'

01:14:27 1485 "What about, again I'm bitting and bobbing here, I'm trying to jog your memory.'

 Reply "Yes I know.'

1485 "Which, you know.'

 Reply "Not easy.'

1485 "When you go to dinner in the Tapas what sort of time in the evening would you go''

 Reply "Err I think it was a bit of a standing joke that we were always the last there err you know we tended to, you know we were getting later and later I think as the week went on, err you know the table I think was generally booked from about half past eight and people would arrive anything from perhaps eight o' clock, but generally we were on the, after you know just after half past eight I'd say, you know rather than on the good side of half past eight. So you know, and err there was usually a comment when we arrived.'

1485 "What, like here they are or something''

 Reply "Here they are again, yes, kind of so err yeah obviously on, on the you know if you wanted to go onto the, the night Madeleine disappeared.'

1485 "Yeah, not yet.'

 Reply "We'll do that, yeah.'

1485 "Yeah.'

01:15:33 1485 "Okay, err so you know there's, yeah there's, yeah, you know, you know we chatted about it, you know the quiz night and who was there err you know I know there was the odd couple here and there on certain, different nights err I remember one night, I think it was the quiz night, there was the err the instructor who does the err pilates and the aerobics and you know was chatting with her one night err but again you know my, as for observation of what was else going around me wasn't particularly great. Err you know Wednesday night we stayed a bit later that night err you know we, we had a drink in the bar after which was the only night that we, you know we did that, but apart from that there's nothing else.'

1485 "When you got down to dinner most evenings, was everybody there bar yourselves, were you always the last ones''

 Reply "Err generally we were always the last there unless you know there'd been any illnesses or you know someone arrived later but as far as I remember we were always usually pretty much the last there.'

1485 "Yeah. Why were you late''

 Reply "Err we're rubbish' I don't know, err I think you know we, I think we, we are renowned for that, err its probably me but you know we just, in terms of efficiency of getting the kids down and you know make sure everyone's ready in time we're just a bit poor at doing that.'

01:17:12 1485 "And when you leave would you, how would you sort the children out''

 Reply "Yeah, I mean most nights I say we would err they would be asleep before we left. There was one night where we were quite late and they wouldn't go down and I said oh I'll stay up and you know I'll keep an eye on them and wait till they've gone to sleep and then I'll, I'll come down. Err you know and again, you know I say Fi could hear the monitor quite clearly err that night and again, just another reassuring that we had that monitor. Err but yeah, apart from that I can't, so yeah perhaps it was slightly more difficult with the two, you know our two, getting them off to sleep err you know Scarlet was err you know the youngest there so she wasn't quite into a good pattern like the others so you know it perhaps takes a little bit longer from that point of view, but err I was just rubbish.'

1485 "Would the children always be asleep then by the time you'd left''

 Reply "Yeah, yeah. Yeah we'd certainly leave when they were asleep and I say or if they weren't then I'd, I'd you know at that time of the night I can remember that Lily was awake and wait until she'd gone. Err but by and large I can't remember any nights when they weren't asleep when we went down.'

1485 "And what sort of time would you generally put them to sleep''

 Reply "Err I mean we would, so they, I mean they had the you know if they ate at the err kids club you know and again it's just difficult what happened after, you know for the weeks after because we ate at the kids club then, did we eat before, how often did we eat, ours were a bit fussy on the eating and from what I can remember sometimes we ate you know in the, in the room, but that could've been mixed up with my recollections of you know what we did after. Err but that was generally around five, five thirty so we wouldn't certainly get back to the room till six, we often went to the play area you know that seemed to be quite another time of the day where we, you know most people would be there and the children were there err you know played, sometimes you know there was a social tennis bit in the evening err certainly we tended to watch a little bit of that if we hadn't played, you know, ourselves and then from err from there you know say right okay it's time to go up, so perhaps you go up around six thirty, seven o' clock, then they'd have you know the, most nights we liked to give ours baths because you know we just felt that we liked to get them into as much of a routine in a strange environment as possible. Err you know so probably we're looking at trying to get them down about seven thirty, somewhere around there.'

01:20:00 1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err then started getting ready, which is usually say pretty last minute and then rush to get ready and then you know as soon as the three of us were ready then right let's go down err perhaps the other thing was the logistics of like three people getting ready in one bathroom you know you have to wait longer, whereas the others were just two people.'

1485 "Yeah. So generally as a rule when you were ready to go, how would you leave the apartment''

 Reply "Okay, so the, you know obviously the, err the bal, err the sliding doors and the balcony were always err shut err you know the monitor was always put in the position that we've err you know mentioned, which is you know on the floor between the two doors. Err and Fi would, you know, generally look after the monitor err the mobile unit and err and again as far as I can recall Dianne tended to be the most reliable to look after the key. Err and then you know so the door would be locked err you know you wouldn't be able to get in that door from the outside, in terms of the doors in the children's bedroom we left them slightly ajar you know just again so we could hear them err the eldest, Lily's always been used to the door being slightly open so you know if we'd have shut it she didn't particularly like that so those doors were open. Err the shutters, yeah they, they, I can only ever remember them being down but you know obviously we spoke about this since and you know if we say perhaps during the day to let a bit of light in the room the shutters were err you know moved up, but on the whole the shutters were down err when we left. Err you know the television you know was switched off and you know there was nothing else really unique I don't think about how we left the apartment.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:22:03 Reply "Err I can't, you know there's one, you know right at the beginning I'd had the key and I'd misplaced it in my pockets or somewhere and that was the moment that Dianne took it on herself that she was gonna be, you know Dianne's extremely good that way and probably being a mother of three very organised and so she was, you know, err then we'd go off down to the Tapas bar or you know usually the three of us together.'

1485 "Yeah. Would you have passed anybody on the way''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "Up until Thursday.'

 Reply "Up until Thursday, again you know we could well have had a conversation either with you know err Matt and Rachael or Russ and Jane you know or if their doors were open or we'd give them a knock you know and say we're going over but again generally we were the last there but there may have been times that we just you know knocked on them just to see whether they were coming over or meet you over there but again I can't remember.'

1485 "And what about on the actual route down to the Tapas, would you have passed any other group then''
 Reply "Err not really because, unless someone was coming back from''

1485 "Yeah that's what I mean.'

 Reply "Err again you know I can't remember apart from on the night you know people passing by or you know specifically.'

01:23:21 1485 "Okay. Just a general question about the resort, what was it like' Was it busy' Or you know, was there a lot of people in your, in the Ocean Club' The resort in general, was it busy''

 Reply "It did, it didn't seem busy err at all err it, you know it seemed very quiet. The, and you know, if that wasn't the first week you could book it was certainly the second week so it certainly hadn't err had many people there, you know chatting to Mark Warner staff they'd not been long err you know many weeks out there preparing and you know they, so easy for them I think with the number of children that they had because it wasn't you know anywhere near capacity err for them. If you err its you know a beautiful place, beautiful beach and you know and you expect the place is usually a lot busier than that and it you know but it certainly seemed very quiet for that time of, well not, sorry, not for that time of year but just seemed very quiet but not, you know it was understandable for that time of the year. Err you know err the err the pool area you would never see a great number of people by, by the pool, you know the water was actually quite cold, you had to be quite brave to go in the pool. You know the Tapas area itself during the daytime certainly you'd perhaps see the odd people from time to time, err but it wasn't, it certainly wasn't full by, you know, any capacity. Err you know and the eating in the Millennium the first night, I say I can't recall hardly any other people being there and when we had been eating in the Tapas bar there wasn't many couples in the evening you know so the general reflection for the whole time was err there wasn't that many people. Err you know there was some other couples that err Kate and Gerry had you know made friends with through the err tennis you know that we got to know a little bit as well and you know you generally tend to see the same people err but yeah it was very quiet err you know it was quite windy err you know which wasn't surprising as I say already it had been quite cold in the evening but err so that's really my''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Recollections of what the place, how the place came across but.'

01:25:47 1485 "I think one of you commented on err England being warm while you were over there.'
 Reply "Was it' Probably.'

1485 "Can you remember that''

 Reply "Err probably.'

1485 "Just have a quick check of the time. We're gonna go for a break shortly.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Alright''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "I've just gotta check, make sure I haven't missed anything.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "In this first interview and then we'll close the interview and get you drink, alright''

 Reply "Okay, that's brilliant, thank you.'

1485 "Did you actually offer to check any of the children' I know you say that you didn't have to check yours.'

 Reply "Yeah, no I never, I never did offer to check. Err there, as much as I you know, know, knew all the children well I err I probably wouldn't have felt, you know, bizarrely I wouldn't have felt quite comfortable checking them, more, you know if I, if it was at home and perhaps one of the children wasn't settling you know I'd go upstairs and go well you know could you be quiet but there I didn't feel quite comfortable doing that, it just, you know if the child was crying or upset and not sleeping I think the first person you know at that stage probably''

1485 "Yeah. Okay at this stage I've got no further questions, as I say with how, how its constructed in phases, lead you up to you know, I'm conscious I've led you up to the third of May.'

 Reply "Right.'

1485 "Is there anything, think hard, is there anything that we've discussed or we haven't discussed that you feel you ought to bring to my attention now''

 Reply "Err you know I suppose the only thing to reinforce is that you know at this stage you know we were having a very good week, you know apart from the odd illness here and there, there was just nothing upsetting the group, there was no unusual behaviour, there was nothing that was untoward about anybody there, err certainly Kate and Gerry were you know very happy, interacting well and the children were extremely happy.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:28:39 Reply "And you know we'd fallen, as I say we did vary things slightly but we'd all fall in to pretty much you know a reasonable pattern, framework of doing things and err you know everyone was enjoying themselves.'

1485 "Yeah. Was there anybody around the resort or you know your, the Ocean Club in general that you weren't happy with''

 Reply "Err we, you know we did obviously retrospectively question you know who'd been in, in to the resort to actually work there. They, on one of the days they had some err gardening people which we hadn't you know seen before and we you know we just wondered, you know, after Madeleine had gone err you know who they were and what their you know validity was if you like. Err the, I know that again, you know Kate and Gerry had had problems err with I think it was the blinds in their flat and the fridge and they'd had people in err you know into the flat, you know which obviously retrospectively was a concern as well. Err yeah that, you know who were those people, had they been checked out.'

1485 "Mm.'

 Reply "Err but apart from that err there was nothing else that really you know springs to mind.'

 1485 "Okay. That's it for the time being.'

 Reply "Okay.'

1485 "I'll check, once we've done this interview, I'll check with my colleagues to see whether I've missed anything during this interview, alright''

 Reply "That's great.'

1485 "But in the meantime I'll stop this interview now and it's coming up to, it's eleven fifty four.'

 01:30:31 The interview ceased at 1154 hours when the tape recorder was switched off.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 02:29:PM
David Payne interview continued...


RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No IM24A
 Person Interviewed: David PAYNE Number of Pages 48
 Place of Interview: Force Headquarters, Enderby Signature of Interviewing
 Date of Interview: 11.04.08 Officer producing exhibit
 Time Commenced: 1319 hours
 Time Concluded: 1459 hours Duration of Interview: 100 minutes
 Interviewing Officer(s) DC 1485 MESSIAH Tape Reference nos:
 Other Persons Present None
 
 Tape counter times Person speaking Text
 
 
 00:00:03 1485 "Okay the video is now recording again.'

 Reply "Okay.'

1485 "We'll continue with the interview on Friday the eleventh of April two thousand eight at Leicestershire Police Force Headquarters. I make the time by my watch thirteen nineteen on that day, I'm DC Ivor MESSIAH and I'm a Detective within the Major Crime Team in Leicestershire Police. Could you tell me who you are please''

 Reply "I'm David PAYNE.'

1485 "Okay, that should suffice for the time being. Just to continue the introductions, you're here in relation to assist Leicestershire Police as a witness into the disappearance of Madeleine MCCANN in Portugal on the third of May two thousand and seven. Is that alright''

 Reply "That's correct.'

1485 "And we've already had a first interview and what we discussed in the first interview was in some depth really wasn't it, the time that you left, or your planning of the holiday, your flight out, you know your subsequent arrival in Portugal and then we tried as best we could to go through your days from the Saturday till Thursday.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Alright, what I now want you to concentrate on David is the important day really, Thursday the third of May. I want you to try and put yourself back in to that, it may help you if you think of the time when the alarm was raised, that may well bring you back to the beginning of the day and try and remember as much as you can, the time you got up, I know that you said on the first interviews that you couldn't remember an awful lot but try as best you can to remember from say midday onwards.'

00:01:48 Reply "Mm yeah, err on that particular day err me and Fiona had you know gone down to the beach, we err took the dinghies out err as usual we went, you know we had the kids, err we had lunch err in the apartment. Err that afternoon I wanted to go down err to the Ocean, err to the beach and err you know windsurf err Matt and Russell had gone down there, they were, had taken the catamaran out. So I went down there err while Fiona and Dianne were looking after the girls in our apartment. Err I was down err windsurfing, I must have been windsurfing for a couple of hours, err saw Matt and Russ out on err the catamaran and then after we finished there we you know we met on the beach, played with the girls on the beach and then we went to the err the restaurant which is on the err overlooking the beach and you know we had err the evening meal there. Err after we had the meal we got some ice cream and then err we decided that we were gonna go up and play tennis so I left err with err Russell, we left the, err the girls at the restaurant and we went up to the, err back up to the Ocean Club. Err I, as I say I'm not sure you know what happened to Matt and Russell at that particular moment but I remember then you know I went over to see err Gerry at the err you know tennis courts, just to see you know what was happening, and err decided that we'd, you know I'd come, come back to play tennis and err Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright err with Kate or you know again I can't remember the exact reason whether he was just making sure it was alright that he could stay there and you know more time but you know he'd asked me to pop in.

So I walked back err from the tennis courts, err back to err you know Kate and Gerry's apartment and the time you know looking at, you know we've looked obviously at photographs since then and you know the time that we've got that I was you know going to Kate's about six thirty, err and I went into their apartment through the patio doors. The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy and well looked after and content and I said to Kate, you know it's a bit early for the you know, for the three of them to be going to bed, she said ah they've had such a great time, they're really tired and you know err so I say, you know I can't remember exactly what, what you know the night attire, what the children were wearing but white was the predominant err colour, but you know just to reinforce they were just so happy, you know seeing you know obviously Gerry wasn't there but they were just all, just so at peace and you know they looked like a family who'd had such a fantastic time and err yeah then I left there, went and got my stuff, went back to the tennis courts and then err there was me, Matt and Russell and I think Gerry played a little, for a little while but he decided that he'd, he'd played enough tennis for that day and err was going back and so it left with me, Russell and err Matt and err Dan who was the, the you know the tennis coach from Mark Warner.

Err so we played some tennis and you know we were having a good knock and then it was getting a bit late so err we, you know we left the tennis courts, went back to our respective partners to get ready to go out, you know it was, it was, you know certainly after half past seven that we'd, you know we'd left the courts, perhaps even a bit later than that. Err when I got back err I think because Fiona had done a lot of babysitting and left me playing tennis she said well I'm gonna go for a very quick run so she went for a run on the beach, you know, err got the kids ready, bathed, got them ready for err to go to bed but again you know as we'd got back late err from the tennis courts you know the whole time err for that evening was not, you know later. And then we just got ready to go and by the time Fi had got back from the run we'd all had showers, we were all ready to go and the girls were asleep and we were happy to leave the apartment, it was you know it was sort of gone quarter to nine. Err we walked down, the three of us, err you know to the Tapas area err we bumped into Matt, he was walking err back to the apartment and err you know he was, he was, you know semi-jokingly said oh I've come to check because you've taken so long and you know which actually transpired that they were quite err getting agitated because you know the time the table was booked at half past eight and you know it was approaching nine o' clock and you know they thought it was, it wasn't appropriate that we weren't there you know as early as we should have been. So then Matt carried err back, you know, to the apartment and we went to the table. Err when we sat, sat down I err sat next to Gerry and err you know of course the next few minutes just started chatting to Gerry and you know I said to him you know this is you know has been one of the best days I've had in a long time you know and we were just chatting about what we'd done and he was reciprocating just saying you know what, what a fantastic day they'd had, what a fantastic week it was and you know just a general consensus was that you know it was just a fantastic time. Err again I was aware that err you know that other people were leaving the table, err I know that err the, err between Russell and Jane they were leaving the table err to look after Evie.

It transpired that at some stage she'd been unwell and err Evie, sorry then Russ, so Russell was basically, was missing the part of the main course and then Jane went you know and ate hers and then disappeared off to take over so we all you know I think made the same joke that Jane said oh I've gone to relieve you know Russell and you know that's, and then you know I remember the other people that night you know again it's in part of the things that we discussed after but you know I was sort of aware as well that there was, rather than all just checking on their own they were just cross-checking as well but still you know very err frequently. Err and then you know it got to obviously when Kate, Kate left, I hadn't realised that she'd, you know, left the table again just busy chatting, then Kate came back just after ten o' clock, you know absolutely distraught err you know just, you know her face I'll never forget. It was a face of someone's child who had been taken and you know and very clearly said she's gone, she's you know, she's gone, you know and there was a disbelief on our face you know ah you know you must be mistaken, what, and then you know just looking at her we just all err left the table, rushed over to her and as we were walking up towards the flat she said err you know they've taken her and it was, you know, and I know there's been a controversy about what was actually said but you know that is very accurately what had been said. Like I say, as I say you know you could just never forget her face and those words, and err as we were, you know, approaching their apartment I was just saying to Kate, I said well look how do you know that is the case, and err you know again I, I can't remember the exact words then, but I was very interested in finding what the state of the apartment was like when she'd got there to see who'd left err doors open or etcetera. And from my point of view you know the things that were, I think it was really pertinent to me was that there was two, there was two gates on the back entrance from that apartment. There's the gate which is immediately bring, you know brings you on to the err the road and then there was another child gate, that was at the top and I, you know, and given the fact that the front door was shut I was just saying well what was the state of those two gates, were those gates open when you went up or were they shut, and she was adamant that those two gates were shut. Well you know there was two possibilities, she'd either been taken or she'd wandered off, no child is gonna wander off and shut two gates behind them so at that moment I knew, although I didn't want to believe it, but I knew that she'd been abducted. Then you know obviously pretty much I think, you know, people that pretty much the same as me you know it's a shock, you know ah because you're, you know, you're still not wanting to believe what, what the obvious is and you know so we, you know we, we went, you know went to the apartment err you know and I didn't actually enter too much into the room but I walked to the edge and you know there was, you know the twins were in their cots, err they were in you know parallel, there was you know I could see, you know I think they were much further into the room but you know I could see Madeleine's bed and then you know it was just like all hell broke loose. You know we, you know we didn't know what to do, we went running around you know err the safety of my own you know children, you know I started, you wanted to check that your own two are alright so I, some say I ran up to our apartment and checked they were alright. Dianne had err had said, Fiona had asked Dianne to stay at the table, at the Tapas just in case err you know Madeleine wandered by or you know and thought that was the best place and I say at some stage I went back and asked Dianne to just, could you go and stay with the children. I did a sweep of the err the pool err and the area you know immediately around err the Ocean Club, then met up with Matt and err Russell and you know I remember saying right what, you know, what we gonna do and Matt was saying right we've gotta try and be you know systematic here err you know, right if you, you want to go off in that area and I'll go down to the Ocean Club reception and you know ask them to call the Police and so you know I, I started venturing up towards the err Millennium where we'd eaten and it was just so quiet and there was nothing going on that way and I just thought oh you know, and I again I was just building up hope that she'd ran off err you know I actually went on a search and I went down past the Supermarket, I went down towards the err seafront, you know went along the whole length of the err beach looking under you know err beach huts and etcetera, just you know and shouting Madeleine, any people that we saw we explained, but also in the melee there was err other people err sorry going back to the apartment so was popping in just to you know, to see what's happening, had the Police arrived err you know just to see who was, you know, thinking that some, you know, body would take charge of the situation and err Mark Warner staff had err grouped together and they were err you know trying to help the situation. Err one of the Mark Warner err ladies was staying with, in the apartment with err with Kate, you know Fiona stayed there, there was people you know popping in and out. There was a lady I think who I believe she came from the flat who ended up, you know, coming in towards their apartment as offering help and you know the next recollection really is that you know the Police, there was two Policemen who err arrived who I believe were from the GNR, err you know it felt you know quite some time before they got there, err I think there was a language barrier, the err one of the receptionists from the Tapas area, Sylvia, she was trying, actually no it wasn't Sylvia, it was the lady, one of the ladies who we, you know, I can't remember her name, who was trying to communicate you know between us and we were trying to convey that she's been abducted and we, we got a computer err printer, we'd got a picture of Madeleine so that it could be distributed as quickly as possible. We were trying to impress the importance to the, to the err two Policemen err that you know that she'd been abducted, that you need to close off all the roads and that you know, that this is an abduction and you know at that was basically the sequence of events up to that stage. Err we then you know, did some more searching, went around, you know, Mark Warner staff, went to different areas just, I didn't know whether she'd ran off and, you know obviously nothing, you know nothing transpired and then as time lapsed then there was some Police from err Portim' arrived, two plain clothed Police, there was some other Police in the background, whether they were from Portugal I don't know, you know they were just hanging back and then err the two Portuguese err Detectives wanted to you know have time with Kate and Gerry and just specifically question them. Err you know I made err a phone call at some stage in the evening to err Fiona's dad back in the UK who I've got a lot of respect for and has given me very, a lot of very good advice because you know you certainly would never have believe that you will find yourself in a situation err like this and you know there was very able people who were there, you know. Everybody who was out there you know was very responsible and people that I would turn to but under the circumstances I don't think anyone functions err particularly anywhere near a hundred percent and you know just looking to try and get some advice from someone outside the situation because you know we just didn't feel that we could get this message across to err to anybody that she had been abducted.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:17:28 Reply "Err so then you know the Police were with err you know Kate and Gerry, you know chatting to them and you know looking at the apartment, etcetera, and they, you know I felt that they had been probably around for about an hour and then Matt met up with err with Kate and Gerry after. Me and Gerry you know I'm not sure what time it was, it was you know between three and four o' clock when, again looking for her. We went down err through past the Ocean Club reception, we went down err to the beach and in between all this you know Kate and Gerry were just breaking down you know just their behaviour was, you know was never questioned or did I ever think there was anything strange about you know their behaviour and how they would, they would act, you know in such a set of circumstances and you know Gerry's a very stoical person and you know, I think you know its the way that he's conducted himself over the past few months you know, and he broke down with me on the front, you know. You know just very obviously a broken man, and you know we spent some time you know, not long, I was trying my best to console him, we went back then to the err the apartment, you know it's, by around about four, four thirty in the morning you know there was nothing else that you know that we could do. The Police had left err the twins had been, at this stage, moved into err into our apartment, and we made beds up on the floor for Kate and Gerry in our apartment and we must have, you know, err gone into bedrooms around about you know four, four thirty around that time. We err slept for a couple of hours, we woke up to find that you know Kate and Gerry had already been out looking you know err for Madeleine err and then we were obviously waiting for things to happen, you know, quite frustrated, and err you know and then certain people arrived outside again you know from, from the err Police and err at that stage err yeah I,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 03:04:PM
David Payne interview...


I was talking with Robert MURAT. He was err somebody that I would not a hundred percent say that I saw the night before but there was somebody who was also err who was translating for us that evening who I you know briefly chatted to, stood next to a Policeman, that I you know thought to be Robert MURAT but I would never say conclusively that that was Robert MURAT. And then but I just said I'm not, in my mind, I'm not dealing with him I'm getting much better with the other lady you know because they were just, you know pontificating around the area and I just wanted direct answers I didn't want someone just talking generally around the situation. And then err so there's me and Kate, we were just waiting outside seeing what was happening and err so then as I say Robert MURAT introduced himself, he said he was err you know somebody who's re, you know, was living out there, was originally from the UK, that he'd got a daughter who was a very similar age to Madeleine and that they looked very similar. He said that he'd been involved with something err you know major back, back home err I thought he said Norfolk but again I'm not a hundred percent sure on that, and you know at this stage, you know I, there was no, he was very over familiar and wanted to be helping the situation and that's all I would say, I wouldn't say any more than that. And then the err Police you know it transpired that they were going to interview us and you know so then we, we ended up going to the station. I was with Kate, err there was Gerry, err Matt, you know I can't be a hundred percent else, sure who was there, and you know so I always spent quite a lot of time with Kate during the hours of, of err Friday and again you know everything that she was like, you know, was someone whose daughter had been taken. You know we were, and he, we were sat outside err one of the rooms err where they had err like TV footage coming in from I don't know where, and there's a story coming back that there had been a sighting of Madeleine at one of the petrol stations err you know Kate was eager, you know wanted to know more about, you know where have you seen her you know.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:22:37 Reply "It was just''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "It was just, you know, there was, there just no, there was nothing that she did that I thought was unlike someone who had not had their child abducted and there was everything that I'd expect to be.'

1485 "The way she reacted''

 Reply "The way she reacted err you know obviously we were, we were interviewed that, that day and you know we had very little sleep, you know we were very tired, the interviews, and that's my real recollections of that.'

1485 "That period. Anything else''

 Reply "Err, with any specifics prompts or''

1485 "No, just making sure that you know''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "You've done, you've remembered everything you possibly can that's all.'

 Reply "Yeah. I'm sure if I chatted more to you I'd probably remember more.'

1485 "Well all I was gonna do is I was gonna go back to, I was gonna try and take you in stages through you know your recall just to see whether it could prompt anything else really, and what I want to try and do is go back to you know the Tapas bar really.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Sorry, further back than that I want to go back to the beach.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Because you said that you were on the beach, you was windsurfing.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "And you spotted Matt and Russell.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "On the catamaran.'

 Reply "Yes.'

 1485 "Something happened on the catamaran where Matt fell in.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Do you know about that''

 00:24:15 Reply "Yeah I mean that was a topic of conversation that we had at the table, you know, because Matt is the experienced sailor of the two of them and err Russell err you know hadn't done a great deal of sailing and catamarans are not particularly easy I understand err to sail and err Matt had gone overboard and Russell then had to get the catamaran back to pick him up so that was err you know a story of amusement at the table.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err I didn't actually see that happen you know.'

1485 "Right.'

 Reply "But you know I certainly saw them out there, err on the water.'

 1485 "Yeah, what sort of time, excuse me it's getting a warm in here, what sort of time was that that you saw them''

 Reply "You know I'd say, I'd say you know roughly around three o' clock but very roughly.'

1485 "Yeah very roughly.'

 Reply "Err you know I, generally our girls slept in the afternoon say between two and four and err so that'd be the time that I'd have gone out there and I was out there for a couple of hours you know err the, I've done a great deal of windsurfing and you know the conditions were very good.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err so as I say we were out there for a couple of, I was out there for a couple of hours.'

1485 "So the girls went to bed at, woke up about four, so you think it would have been after four that you'd have gone down to the beach then''

 00:25:34 Reply "Err well no because I mean like usually like while they were asleep it's a good time to do you know activities and you know someone could stay behind, look after the children so err Fiona, and I think Dianne, had both stayed behind and you know I said well I'll go get a, get a''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "A windsurf.'

1485 "Right. So did you walk down to the beach on your own then''

 Reply "Yes, as far as I remember I think Matt and Russ had gone, gone already, gone down before me.'

1485 "And did you see anybody on your way down''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "Your group or other''

 Reply "I can't remember.'

1485 "And when you got down to the beach was the beach busy''

 Reply "Err not, not horrendously, no. I mean there was some other windsurfers there err you know I remember when I was out windsurfing you know seeing other people windsurfing as well.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But you know, again, it wasn't particularly busy.'

1485 "How long do you think you stayed out there for''

 Reply "I think I was probably out there the best part of a couple of hours.'

1485 "So we're saying around about six o' clock ish, would that be about right''

 Reply "Err well I mean we were probably, as I say, windsurfing I was windsurfing around two to four o' clock, then we had the girls come down so there was some playing on the beach.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Then we went for something to eat and then we left the err restaurant and err you know, I hadn't got a watch on me, I hadn't you know I hadn't got a mobile, all we had was the camera which you know as I say the time on that suggests that we left the restaurant err you know after six o' clock, so you know just working backwards''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "The time that I thought we'd finished you know''

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:27:23 Reply "Water sports would be around four o' clock, then a bit of time on the beach and then you know your meal, which would take an hour, which seems to fit in with the, you know the timescale of events.'

1485 "So who did you leave on the beach when you, when you walked up''

 Reply "When, when we left we didn't leave from the beach we left from the err restaurant.'

1485 "The restaurant, but who did you leave at the restaurant''

 Reply "Err the, basically the err the children and the ladies that stayed behind, err just to finish off there and err and then we, you know Fiona said to me we'd better get going if you're gonna miss all the, you know any activities err so we said right well we'll go, we'll get up there and you know play tennis.'

1485 "Yeah, when you say the ladies, that was Fiona and''

 Reply "Yeah, Jane and Rachael, yeah.'

1485 "Right, and the respective children''

 Reply "Yes, yes.'

1485 "Okay, and who did you walk back to the Ocean Club with''

 Reply "Err there was Russell and Matt. As I say I can't, can't remember what hap, whether they went, we peeled off and they carried up to the apartment and I said oh I'll just go down to the tennis, you know, I can't remember exactly what happened at that stage, but I know I went and spoke to Gerry.'

1485 "So on your way back what route would you take on the way back' There's a map for this one.'

 Reply "Yeah, we''

00:28:40 1485 "Unfortunately the map doesn't show the beach, it'll show the proximity going back to the apartment block. Which way is the beach' If you imagine, or if you look at, that's, there's the Tapas.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "So that would have been Kate and Gerry's apartment.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

 1485 "So you'd walk round there from your Tapas, so which way would the beach be''

 Reply "Okay, so, sorry that's the, is this the Tapas here''

1485 "That's the Tapas yeah.'

 Reply "Yeah, so our apartments would be about here so err you know we went, crikey, the Ocean Club is there I presume, does that say Ocean Club' Yeah.'

1485 "The Ocean Club garden.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "I think that's the Ocean Club in general.'

 Reply "Yeah the main reception part sorry, so we, we would walk past here, this is the Supermarket I presume, here.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You'd walk past that way. There's err you know we'd go along past the err Ocean reception down and then there was a road which kind of like quite a steep road which had err there was a small Supermarket there.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "There was err a pub there which I think was quite popular with err you know locals and holiday makers and that, that road led you right down and at the end of the road is the err restaurant. Now, you know, I wouldn't say every time we walked back that way, there, there was another route that you, we, we cut through as well but I, I'm pretty sure that night we walked up that way and round because I know we walked past the Ocean Club.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:30:14 Reply "But err''

1485 "Okay, but how long would that generally take you''

 Reply "How long' Err I'd say, yeah ten fifteen minutes walk.'

 1485 "So when you got back to the apartments or the complex.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "There's the tennis courts there.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "So presumably what you're saying is you walked up with Matt and Russell.'

 Reply "Yeah, yes.'

1485 "That way.'

 Reply "As far as I can remember''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "That, you know, I just seemed to have got the images of walking past the reception.'

 1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Well the only way we could have walked past the reception is if we'd have gone that route.'

 1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "So that's what I'm basing my err recollection on.'

1485 "Did you go straight then to the tennis courts''

 Reply "Yes, I think I did, I think I'd gone straight there to chat with Gerry just to check that, you know, what was going on and everything and then went err went back to see Kate after.'

1485 "And what was Gerry doing''

 Reply "Err Gerry had been, you know, playing you know tennis already, he was having a good err game and I think there was you know, and there were a couple of the other tennis players who had specifically gone out there on a Mark Warner holiday to play tennis and you know Gerry was, you know, getting a lot out of the week from the tennis and made friends with those people and he was having a good game with them. Err so you know he would basically be playing tennis.'

1485 "Yeah, and at what point did you have the conversation with him' Did he stop the game or did you speak whilst he was playing''

 00:31:48 Reply "I can't remember, I can't remember. I, you know, in my mind, you know, he stopped playing and you know but I can't remember if I'm perfectly honest.'

1485 "And how long did you stay and watch the game for''

 Reply "Err all I remember is I was having a, you know, a brief conversation with Gerry, err you know and then you know I went back, I didn't actually stay there for too long because of the time, you know, was ticking by err but again these are, you know''

1485 "Afterwards.'

 Reply "Yeah, recollections rather than you know whether there was anything in between, there could well have been.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "So where were you going then' Presumably you weren't going to play tennis were you' When you left the beach, what was''

 Reply "Yeah, oh yes that was always the intention and that's what Fiona was saying, look if you're actually gonna do anything tonight you'd better get yourselves up there and it's getting quite late so that was, you know, that's the reason we'd all gone ahead because we waited till the children had finished eating and err got in the prams and got up there, you know it takes another five ten minutes on top walking back with them, err then you know we'd have lost the opportunity. Err again, presuming that you know the tennis was usually around six thirty, that if you know, if we're leaving the restaurant you know, quarter past six or whatever, around that time, that you know if we'd leave it much longer with it taking ten minutes or whatever to walk up just to start the tennis at half six, you know we were already cutting it fine and I think as it transpired we were playing tennis till you know even beyond there, it was quarter to seven, or around then and err you know if we'd have left it much later then we just thought well it's gonna finish, so.'

00:33:29 1485 "Right, were you going for a lesson or were you actually going to play''

 Reply "We were gonna play, there was obviously me, Matt and Russ, and Gerry was making up the four, fourth err person.'

1485 "But he was already playing''

 Reply "Yeah he'd already been playing and that's partly the reason that he kind of like threw in the towel early and said ah you know I've had, enough's enough, I've had a good day and err but then we managed to get Dan, the pro, just to play a bit with us err you know so that made up the four ball err just for a little while.'

1485 "So your four''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Was yourself, Matt, Russell and''

 Reply "Well it started off with Gerry and we had a bit with him and then Dan played a bit.'

1485 "And Dan, Dan replaced Gerry then did he''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "How far through the game was that''

 Reply "I can't remember.'

1485 "Sets wise''

 Reply "Err you know whether we played one, you know again this is just, yeah usually we'd play a set and then change over so most likely it would be Gerry played a set and then left, that was most likely how it happened.'

 1485 "Okay, and it was at what point that Gerry said to you go and, would you mind checking at Kate''

 Reply "Well I mean coming back from the beach I'd got no equipment to play tennis you know, etcetera, so I had to go back to my room to you know change into stuff appropriate for playing tennis in, and err so he knew that I'd walk up that by and past so he said oh why don't you err, you know can you just pop in on the way, the way up, so it was on the way back from me picking the stuff up.'

1485 "Right, so you've walked past, you've walked past Gerry's apartment to get to yours.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Got changed''

 Reply "No, you know it was, again whether it was, in my mind it was on the way up that I'd popped in to Kate but it could have been on the way back, again, I'm sorry.'

1485 "No, it's okay.'

 Reply "For my vagueness.'

 00:35:21 1485 "But either way you'd have had to walk past because you go the roadside don't you''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "So you'd have had to walk past Gerry's''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Front door twice wouldn't you''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Is that right''

 Reply "So, the reason why I think it was more likely that I did it on the way there was because I've called in through the err patio, it kind of made more sense that I'd have walked in through the gate and then up through the you know where the sliding doors are to say I'm here, rather than going up to my apartment, coming back down, coming past the apartment and then coming in the sliding doors.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Because what I would have done is I'd have got changed and gone downstairs and then knocked on the front door because that, you know that would have made more sense rather than going all the way round and''

 1485 "Yeah, course.'

 Reply "So that's in my mind why it makes more sense that it was, that that was on the way up.'

1485 "Right, so how long did you spend in your apartment before, I know you, I appreciate that you can't recall whether it's going or coming.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "The likelihood is that it's on the way.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "How long did you spend in your apartment''

 00:36:24 Reply "I mean again, we've you know, we've chatted about the timings and everything and you know looked at the photographs and you know, you know we were leaving about quarter past six from the err restaurant, we'd gotta walk up there, ten, fifteen minutes, conversation with Gerry, conversation with Kate, you know that's another five, ten minutes on to your ten, fifteen minutes walk so you're talking twenty five minutes, so that's taken you to twenty five to, twenty to seven, well you know we were certainly playing tennis for a, you know the best part of an hour err so you know it couldn't have been long that I was in the apartment, you know a matter of minutes.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You know just to pick the kit up and, and then go back down really.'

1485 "Did you have your own racquet''

 Reply "I didn't, no, I was using the, err Mark Warner's racquets.'

1485 "Mark Warner's, okay. I just want to revisit the going and seeing Kate before we move on.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Alright, and the reason why I've kept it separate is because I want you to just think now.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "And imagine, remember what you saw.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Did you open the door, slid door' Or was it already open' Or''

 Reply "Err I think it was already open, I think it was already open. Err you know, as I say, I walked up there, Kate was you know I say looking very relaxed and err I say a comment to her I said well crikey it's early, early for them to be getting ready you know for bed, as I say she said ah no, I've had such a good, you know such a good day and afternoon err so you know, and Gerry's just obviously finishing off playing tennis and err so you know hopefully try and get them down and as I say we were just, you know I, I know, it does sound bizarre but I just looked at the three of them and I couldn't, you know they were just so well presented and so clean and immaculate it was, you know I was, and you know they just looked such healthy children, err you know, there's, there's you know nothing that normally''

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:38:36 Reply "Triggers in my mind like that but it was just how well that they looked and err''

1485 "Try to remember where in, where they were in the apartment.'

Reply "Err, I mean the, the time that I was there err you know all, all of them err all the children and Kate were in the, err as soon as you go through the patio doors err you know they were all in the immediate area you know in front of you, err that was the area that they generally, you know when I saw them, so I didn't, no I didn't go any further into the apartment, you know it was just a conversation that I like, you know walked into the, you know through the French doors, I went into the lounge err you know the open plan area and err you know just had a brief conversation, you know things started off by as I say, saying about the, how well they looked and you know, it's early to get them ready for bed and then I said oh Gerry's, you know just finished over there, we're going over to play a bit of tennis, err I probably said is there any problems with that and she said ah no, no fine, you know carry on, and err you know perhaps a bit more of a conversation err but you know it, it wasn't many minutes that I was, was there.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:39:55 Reply "But err certainly enough time just to see, you know, certainly the apartment, there was nothing that was untoward, that was you know err the children all looked extremely happy, there was no, you know signs of any problems with err you know Kate, you know or indeed the relationship that Kate had got with any of the three children. None of the children had been told off, none of the children looked like they were you know in trouble for anything, you know they were err still all talking and playing around. Err so you know it was just a very err transient you know that I'd gone in there, but as I say it just struck me how well they all looked.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And content I suppose is the other word to use.'

1485 "Did you actually go into the apartment''

 Reply "I did.'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 03:50:PM
David Payne interview continued..


1485 "Or did you do the conversation from the door''

 Reply "No, definitely was inside the apartment, you know whether it be two or three steps into the apartment or you know however many, but I was definitely in the apartment.'

00:41:00 1485 "Okay, so now what I'm gonna try and ask you to recollect, what everybody was wearing.'

 Reply "I'm afraid that is, you know I'm, I cannot recall at all. I know that's, you'd think that'd be an obvious thing to remember, I cannot remember. As I say the, from the children point of view predominantly I can remember the, you know, white, but I couldn't say exactly what they were wearing. Err''

 1485 "But could you remember what Kate was wearing for example''

 Reply "I can't, no.'

1485 "And did you actually set eyes on each individual child''

 Reply "All three children I saw, yeah.'

1485 "And were they standing up' Sitting down''

 Reply "Err they were generally standing up, yeah.'

1485 "Did they actually acknowledge you''

 Reply "Err oh yeah, you know I'm very sure that if you'd have asked them, you know that evening or the next day they'd all say ah yeah, I popped in. You know I, you know I did know the children very well, we'd all you know, met up many times before err you know I, you know again I'd be playing with Madeleine you know in the, err the play area err you know during that week, you know lifting her up, twizzing her round and everything, I knew her that well, you know, to do that, and as I say err she'd definitely know who I was and certainly, as I say, just to reinforce that she looked very happy.'

1485 "Yeah. Was that the last time you saw Madeleine''

 00:42:39 Reply "It was.'

1485 "How many minutes, you said as a matter of minutes and then you went back and then you played tennis.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "I'm gonna pin you down and ask you how long you think you were in there for. I know you say minutes.'

 Reply "In their apartment, it, it, I'd say three minutes, five maximum.'

1485 "Three to five''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "So then you step back out, did you leave the doors open or did you close them''

 Reply "Err I couldn't remember. You know, again, I've got the, in my mind that the doors were open when I went in and I probably would have just walked out back that way, you know, it still, I mean it's still relatively nice outside, it was light and everything so err you know I, I, whether they kept the door open it's just nice when it's the end of the evening you know, sorry, you know the end of the afternoon, but if I'm perfectly honest the answer to that question is I can't remember.'

1485 "Okay. So then you went back and then you played, you played a game for about an hour''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "You think from seven, from about seven till about eight''

 Reply "Yeah, I mean it must, I mean it was before, I mean we got back before eight o' clock err you know so perhaps just before seven, err sorry, err yeah just before seven so it was just before eight o' clock. As I say when I got back I think I was cutting it fine and Fiona was still keen to go for a run and we started to get everyone ready for bed.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And err so it was, as I say, about an hour but certainly we'd finished before eight o' clock.'

00:44:18 1485 "Okay, and when you finished, I'm just trying to put this in order here, when you actually, when you finished and you went back to the apartment, did you say anything to Gerry about, about the fact that his family were fine' Or''

 Reply "Yeah, err yeah, I haven't mentioned this before, but yes, yeah I'd certainly, when we met up I said oh yeah, you know everything's fine there, you know probably along the lines of you know you've got a bit more of a free pass you know you can carry on for a bit longer, Kate's fine without everyone you know all the children are, are happy, there's no difficulties with bath time or anything so you know, without actually saying all that just conveying to him that you know I don't think you need to err rush back, you've got a free pass for a bit longer.'

1485 "Alright.'

 Reply "Err yeah.'

1485 "So was that as soon as you got back to the, to the tennis courts''

 Reply "Yeah that would have been when we got back.'

1485 "When you got back to the tennis courts as opposed to at the end of the tennis session.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Okay, and was he fine with that''

 Reply "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, again, you know it's difficult with cameras and everything, you don't want to sound (inaudible) or anything, but you know he's a very sorted person, a very caring person and that's the kind of thing, you know he's very organised.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And you know he will make sure everything's fine and sorted before you know the, the, he'd carry on and do something for his own benefit if you like. So you know he was certainly one to, he would have wanted to know before you know continuing.'

00:45:45 1485 "Okay. We've talked, you've talked about you know, you've gone back and you've got ready and Fiona's gone for a run. I'll move on to, you know, the time that, because you'd already discussed about going, leaving the apartment, the, you know, the situation how you'd left your doors and you know.'

 Reply "Mm, yes.'

1485 "The intercom and all the rest of it. I'm just gonna move on to when you actually got to the Tapas, you said that you passed Matt on the way down.'

 Reply "Mm.'

 1485 "Whereabouts did you pass him''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "Can you mark, just''

 Reply "Yeah, the err where's, this is the entrance here into the Tapas area.'

 1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err my recollection was that we were just got, you know we were round there, I thought we'd actually entered into the Tapas bar to just''

1485 "Actually into the complex''

 Reply "Just, just into the complex, but certainly we hadn't made it yet to the swimming pool but it was just, just about there.'

 1485 "Okay.'

 Reply "Err yeah.'

00:46:42 1485 "And what time do you think that was''

 Reply "Err we were, we were just before nine, you know just before nine o' clock err we yeah we went between quarter to and nine o' clock.'

1485 "And then you sat down, after the comments of course that you''

 Reply "Yes, yeah.'

1485 "Who was there when you got, when you got to the table''

 Reply "Err well, as I say, Gerry was sat next to me, err on my left, and then there was this choice of where Dianne was gonna sit with err, err Matt and err Russell, so those people had to be there, Kate was obviously there, Fiona had walked down with, as well, and err and as for Rachael and Jane I, I cannot say a hundred percent that they were there.'

1485 "What was Gerry doing when you got there''

 Reply "Err I, again my recollection is we sat down and I just started talking to him, but I'm not sure whether that is entirely correct, whether he was having a conversation with somebody else before and then you know I just started talking but my recollection we started, you know, not far after we'd sat down we just started talking and you know, and I say we were just saying, you know what we'd both done and what a fantastic day that we'd had err you know and I know beyond the call of this interview but you know I'd had a lot of stress you know with work and over the last few years and you know it's, it's you know two, two young children it's not been a particularly easy time and you know and for me that was the first day in many, many a month that I'd really enjoyed it and then Gerry had reciprocated and said we also had one of the best days that we'd had in many, many a month. You know that is my recollection of the first thing that happened on that table, but just, whether its because it was such a positive conversation that we'd had, which override the fact that there was other things that had happened before I wouldn't like to say but in my mind that was the first thing that had happened.'

1485 "Yeah. So did you notice that he got up to go and check Madeleine, or to check his children''

 00:49:10 Reply "Yeah, I mean I, you know I know the people who left the table but I couldn't tell you what order they left in and I couldn't tell you what the time is that they left. You know, people have chatted about it, you know we've read about it and I'm not prepared to say well I think this is what happened because I'm sure my view's been tainted by, you know, what we've read and what we've seen.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err but you know I'm, you know it's, I knew that Russell, you know had had problems because Evie had been ill and he, you know, had left the table you know for err, err quite a few minutes because you know he was having to, you know he came back saying oh he's had to clean the sheets and she'd been sick and everything and then there was the issue of the err them bringing out his food and they had to re-cook him, you know another meal and then Jane had quickly eaten her meal you know so that she could then leave the table so those things you know, I'm sure, you know, I know happened and unfortunately I can't be any more helpful in saying this was the time, this is how long they were gone for. Err yeah I know that Gerry left the table, you know, I can remember him, I remember him coming back to say well you know, he wasn't left, you know he didn't leave at you know an unreasonable amount of time, it didn't seem that he was away for particularly long, you know he did make some comment, which I know that if someone else was hearing as a group had said yeah, I'll say yeah you know that's what he said, but I can't remember err entirely, but err you know, the, the conversation at the table in terms of other people leaving and looking at the children was along the lines of you know that it, and again it transpired later that I, that other people were look, you know were popping in as an extra addition to what other people were generally doing in terms of looking after the err children and err you know when Matt came back I remember him saying to somebody oh yeah I've looked at, you know and they're fine you know and that was the way that the other families were, were working it. Err so, you know, apart from Russell who was away a little bit longer because you know what I've just explained before, everyone tended to walk up there, then walk back in a time which you would expect them to walk, walk up to the apartment and you know there was no long gaps between anything which you know wasn't you know explained. Err, so yeah.'

00:51:35 1485 "Do you recall Gerry coming back from his turn and then commenting about speaking to Gez''

 Reply "Err I, you know again, I think I do, and I know that sounds very vague but you know again, just on the context of you know what, what's been said about the conversation with Gez and this is a very important part of the story, it's just difficult to say what you, you know what you believe to have happened and what you've read has happened.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But I, you know I do remember some, something along the lines that he'd had a conversation err with Gez but again you know if you're chatting to someone else and you just perhaps hear something at, at the side, err or you just look up and listen to a bit and then you move onto the conversation.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err but some, yeah.'

1485 "Do you recall Jane coming back from her trip' From her visit if you like, shortly after Gerry had come back.'

 Reply "I don't know.'

00:52:39 1485 "And is there anything that sticks in your mind in relation to what anybody's said when they'd come, apart from the one or two people saying everything's fine, was there anything else that you can think of that anybody said anything''

 Reply "Err I mean there was nothing you know, I mean, I mean when obviously Russell came back and explained what had gone on and you know with, with Evie, err Matt, you know, had come back and you know said everything's fine. Err Gerry, you know I, as I say, I think he, I heard him mention that he'd spoken to someone on the way back and I'm not sure if people triggered my memory of that I could get that, that's it. When Jane came back there was certainly nothing that she said that err you know led us to be worried at that particular stage, you know, the conversation was, was again, was you know oh Evie's okay and it was a sort of shame that they you know, the situation there with Evie. Err and you know the, the jokes that have been going on earlier and err you know just, yeah generally nothing, nothing really stood out...'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Had happened, err there was, you know nothing.'

00:54:03 1485 "The fact that Jane had come back having seen a male carrying a child.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Could you introduce that within your recollection''

 Reply "I can, err it was never mentioned at that table when she came back, err when we went, you know, looking for Madeleine after err Fiona told me that she'd, you know, mentioned this to Fiona and you know so it's, obviously Fiona's statement's probably more important from this point of view exactly what she said about it.'

1485 "Yeah, yeah.'

 Reply "But I know from Fiona that this was mentioned and I think it was in the context that she was really worried saying anything to Kate to, to upset her which you know looking from, from people observing out, in at this, they'll probably think well hang on, you think that someone's just seen, but you know, again, it was a, a resort where there was a lot of children around err very, it's a small friendly place and she just thought it was one of the parents who you know was perhaps, you know they'd be staying in one apartment and were transferring their child back to another apartment.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And really didn't think twice about it at the time and that's why it wasn't mentioned then. But she definitely mentioned it to me you know after Madeleine had been abducted and you know on the, the following day before she'd actually mentioned it to Kate and there was a, a newspaper report, I think it was in the Telegraph err certainly one of the newspapers anyway, that was sort of describing err Madeleine's pyjamas and, and err Jane said that's not right, how did they get that, well she said you know, that in, I don't know how they get that information anyway, my recollections were this was what she was wearing and described it you know differently you know to what the, the, the press had, and that was before she'd even seen Kate so you know, the strength of that argument is just absolutely overwhelming, you know given the time frame err you know of when Madeleine must have gone, gone, that you know and for her to have described in detail the pull ups at the bottom of the pyjamas err you know the colours, you know and the timing is just, you know well, so.'

00:56:37 1485 "How did she describe the child to you''

 Reply "Err, the, from, again my, my recollection was more about the, the description of the pyjamas not fitting in with the description of the newspaper and if I was to say that she was carrying the child you know like this, rather than like, like that then, you know because again this is something that we've talked about, you know, if she was abducted, you know, sorry if you were carrying your own child any distance, to actually carry a child like so is, it's hard work. You know, it's much easier to carry a child like this and it's easier to keep them asleep and support their head etcetera. So yeah that's something we've chatted about since and you know I could say oh yes I'm a hundred percent sure she said that, that they were carrying the child like that, but I, again, I wouldn't be, be accurate. All I can say is accurately I remember there was a, the err the discrepancy with the pyjamas and that, you know, and then she kept coming back to the turn ups which you know, which is very unique about the err you know, the pyjamas so that was, you know, you're in shock, you can't believe what's happened, you know, you're, you're ninety nine, point nine, nine, nine percent sure that this is what's happened but you're still not wanting to believe what's happened.'

1485 "Yeah.'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 05:01:PM
David Payne interview continued..


 Reply "But you know and then you're looking for information to, to try and fit in with what you thinks happened and then you know when, when we knew that we just thought, you know, that is it, that is who's taken her. Err you know and again, just for the record, I mean Jane, I've known Jane for a few years, you know, she's an extremely strong character, she's you know very reliable and you know she speaks her own mind and you know, and if that's what she has seen then you know I'm a hundred percent sure that that's what she's seen.'

00:58:41 1485 "Okay. Just in relation to, the reason why I ask you that is because Jane has saw what she's saw and then she's come back to the table and then you know one of the points I was trying to raise with you as well was did you notice anything different in her demeanour throughout the rest of the evening before Kate raised the alarm''

 Reply "Err not, not really I mean, as I say my general feeling was about the problems that they were having you know, it's difficult, you know err one of them was there and then the other one was going and err you know just the logistics of the situation, you know where I was actually sat, I wasn't directly sat in a position that I was probably gonna chat to Jane therefore you know, the people who were immediately round me were the people more likely I'd chat to rather than chatting across, you know, quite a reasonable size table. Err so I don't, you know I don't really think, you know I, I noticed anything different about Jane but whether, you know, there was or there wasn't perhaps I wasn't in the best position there to, to comment that, as I say my recollections were more of the logistics, apart from with Evie not being well.'

1485 "Yeah. Right, and again you've discussed what happened once Kate had turned up and the exact words that Kate had said.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Once the alarm had been raised you said that you all got up and its, with the exception of Dianne, everybody ran to the assistance.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Exactly what did you do''

 Reply "Err we, you know, we ran up err to the apartment, you know, with, with err you know Kate and Gerry err and you know for me, I just wanted to know, as I say, about the access to the apartment, were those gates open, err because in my mind was that if the front door was shut there was no, you know there won't be, you know there was no way that she could have wandered out that way and nor would they have gained access in that way. Err also obviously the, the, the issue with the, the shutters had been raised, was brought up err you know on the way up as well and then I was asking about the gates being shut at that back and she said well both gates you know were shut, so in my mind, you know, that had ruled it out that Madeleine had err had wandered off. Err you know, Madeleine's err, you know, was a very bright child and you know it would just seem so inconceivable that she would have wandered off you know, especially you know, when she was sleepy you know, we put that argument forward, but then you know sleeping chil, sleepy children you know don't put, shut the doors you know behind them and child gates, you know, so, so that was my initial thoughts err and again you know we, we, I'm sure we went into the apartment, just looked and you know, incredulously you know well where, err where could she be, you know, you know we just looked in the obvious err places and then err you know obviously Kate and Gerry were just completely, you know, hysterical err you know at this stage. Err and then we just, you know then we went to do the sweeps around the place and I said, as I said before, I went up to look at our apartment to check, check the girls were alright and you know, and the actual order that this all happened, you know, it's just err a complete eye opener up for us to see you know what other unfor, unfortunate people have been through just to what a destabilising effect, you know, that circumstances has on you or, and you know I, I think most people had a, you know, idea of, pretty exactly what happened that day leaving but you know after that I think people find it really difficult generally to say exactly what they did and when. Err but as I say we went err we went to the apartment and had a look round and then err I had a look quite earlier on to see err whether the, err girls were alright. I then at some stage went back to see Dianne and say look can you just leave the table, just go back to the apartment and then I had the sweep around the swimming pool where the, err the kiddies pool is, I went to, I just had a quick look at the tennis courts and just basically swept around the, the area just to make, make sure you know that, ah this can't, can't be what's happened, she must have you know, you just don't want to weigh up that option, it just wasn't an option that could have happened but you knew it had happened and err, and then as I say we spoke, me, Matt and Russell, right come on we've got to have a bit more structure to this, err you know, I'll, I'll you know so he went off down to the Police Station and you know, you know we waited as I say for the Police to arrive and we, our, I think it was in between them arriving or when they arrived that I then went down and did that sweep of you know, right down past the Supermarket err going slightly to the side and then onto the front past where the church is at the bottom. I looked, you know I say I looked in all the rocks and you know just went along the whole beach shouting out and identifying people. Err the, I say, the Mark Warner people they were around there, we, you know as I say we also at a very early stage we knew it was important that we got a picture of Madeleine just to show people, whether it be local, but, but we were also imploring the err the GNR to you know close down and circulate this picture, err and that was, you know that was something that Mark Warner team helped us set up just in the, you know the Tapas bit there.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:04:57 Reply "Err then we were popping in and out of the apartment err you know having conversations with Kate and Gerry and err you know they were in communication with people back home err you know Gerry was you know speaking to family, they were chatting to err Paul's the priest who married them and Kate was chatting to her mum you know err and it was just all kicking off around really.'

1485 "You know when you went into their apartment, what was the scene like' I mean where was Kate and Gerry''

 Reply "Err (sighs) I mean with, with err, you know I, Kate's obviously very good friends with err Fiona and I'm, you know, very good friends with Gerry so more likely I'd have probably been with Gerry going through the options of what happened, or you know where could she be and what, what's gone on here. Err you know trying to work out err what had actually happened err so I, I, you know we all went up to the apartment pretty much together. I think, I don't know what, whether the other people came in or not, I can only remember me, Fiona, Kate and Gerry predominantly and the err lady from Mark Warner err who were the main people who were in the apartment. Err yeah I certainly went into err the doorway of that, the room where all the children were staying you know and Sean and Amelie were still you know sleeping, err you know and this is something that's, you know, we've all kind of discussed you know amongst all the melee that was kicking off they were just sleeping so, you know, contently. Err and then you know the other area, the other areas I remember going into Kate and Gerry's err bedroom with Gerry and he'd perhaps you know fling a cupboard open and just have a look and, ah you know and just shut the door and you know in a vein, desperate hope that she might have been err you know in, in the wardrobe or something, and then he, you know flung him, flung himself on the floor and just you know kicking the floor and just with, you know, she's gone, she's gone, err and then as I say, I, I, after that I can't really say exactly, you know. We kept meeting up at stages in the evening to, to try and appraise the situation and you know what shall we do, err.'

01:07:44 1485 "Did you hear Kate say to Gerry they've let her down''

Reply "Err, it's a comment that I've heard her say since and you know, I can't say that I specifically heard her say it that night. Err but you know, so many emotions are flying through your mind at that stage and you know certainly guilt was going through you know their mind, err because it, you know, everyone was like questioning themselves, you know, about you know what had happened and you know I know that she certainly was, those comments that she made along the lines of guilt for err you know, you know not being there for her, without a doubt, but specifically that phrase I wouldn't, you know I can't recall her saying that but again, it's just a general underlying you know nature of what she was saying but it was along the lines that she, you know she had let her down, that you know when she, err again whether it was that night or another night she said well you know when she needed us we weren't there for her, you know and that was, you know the general kind of things that she was implying.'

1485 "Yeah, did she say that on the night then''

 01:09:04 Reply "Err I say I don't know, I know that she said those things.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Or implied those things but I can't tell you exactly what the phrases were that she used but you know she felt that they weren't there for the biggest time in her life when they needed her.'

1485 "Yeah. Did Fiona tell you that Kate had told her that Madeleine had woke up the night before''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "On that night''

 Reply "Err I'm sure Fiona did tell me that night err and said that you know she'd had a, a, you know that Madeleine had you know woke, had been crying the night before and err you know this was just, and that she'd mentioned it to her and you know do you think we should be doing anything err differently, err and you know Fiona mentioned that conversation and I'm sure, I'm pretty sure it was that night err that she brought it up. Err its, you know I, do you try and make people feel better because you think, you know, who, who in the world would have thought this would have happened to anyone, you know, it just doesn't happen to you.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Certainly and you know the last case of a child going missing like this was you know ten years plus, you know, in Corfu, and so you know when, when your child's been crying, whether they you know they've have a bad nightmare or you know they've, you know they've perhaps have had a dream and they're crying a bit and you try and you know, and that's what you know we were saying to Kate really, you know those were the things that go through your mind.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Rather than think ah well perhaps someone's tried to get into the apartment, you know, but then you look back and then the enormity of what you said does, you know gain momentum. Err that's it.'
01:11:09 1485 "What I've got here is a few questions from the PJ'S because they wanted us to ask you''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "A series of questions and there may well be duplication of what you've said but please bare with me.'

 Reply "Okay.'

1485 "Alright''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Now you've answered the first one, it says what time did you return to the beach club on May the third as you were coming from the beach''

 Reply "Right.'

1485 "So that's where you said that you come from the restaurant.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah we'd come from the restaurant on the beach and as I say we left there about eighteen fifteen, err at that time.'

1485 "And where did you go''

 Reply "We went, I, I went up err went to see Gerry at the tennis courts.'

1485 "So you were at the tennis courts, who did you talk to''

 Reply "Err just Gerry pretty much, you know, whether I made comment to anyone else I don't remember that, just, I just remember I talked to Gerry.'

1485 "Okay, did you go to the MCCANN family apartment between six and seven' Well, yes you did.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "And if yes, why' You've already said that. Which route did you take' You told me that. Time' You've told me that. Did you enter the apartment' You've told me that. Who did you talk to' You've told me that. Did you talk to Kate' You've told me that. Did you notice anything unusual''

 Reply "No, definitely not. It was err pretty much what I would expect, you know, go into the apartment, there was certainly no atmosphere, there was nothing, no disquiet between the children or Kate, you know it was just very normal, just happy children playing and ready for bed.'

01:12:53 1485 "How long did the conversation take' Well you said between three and five minutes. Did you see the children' Well yes you did, you've said that, including Madeleine. What were the children doing' Well you've said that they were just standing around.'

 Reply "Mm, I mean they were interacting, playing a bit and you know they're looking at me and perhaps have a, you know, but certainly''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Behaving normally for kids at that age.'

 1485 "As the person who organised this trip were you aware of the baby listening service' Well yes you were, but we discussed that a bit earlier didn't we.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Was this available at night' Was it, could you remember what it''

 Reply "Well the, the, the point, the, the service that they, they offered there which was different to the other Mark Warner's was that they had a, a drop-in err centre for want of a better description err for the evening. So if you wanted to go out for a meal you would take your child down to err the, the reception, you know, there's an area down there you know specific for that where they'd have the, the nannies who would keep an eye on your children. You could go and have something to eat and then you go and pick your child up err after. This, it comes back to pretty much, you know, we'd gone there you know with the same kind of, originally we were hoping that it would be someone knocking the door, listening at the door and everything's quiet and then move, moving on and that's what we'd gone with the, think it would be. I did know before I went on the holiday that that wasn't what it was going to be but we'd gone on there adopting that that's you know how we were gonna most likely do it, well that was one of the options anyway depending on where the apartments were and everything. Now where the, where the drop-in err creche in the evening was, was you know it was a, you know a fair distance you know from where we were staying err you know so, you know it wasn't certainly where you ate down there and our, our complex or our apartments was quite a bit away so it was nothing that we'd really entertain. Secondly, all the children are, are you know very young and wouldn't, would be sleeping at that time so it wasn't something that we wanted to use because of the children, you know we'd want them to be sleeping and we, you know they wouldn't sleep particularly well down there and you know we thought what we were doing obviously was, you know''

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:15:14 Reply "Was, was err reasonable. We were checking the children more often than, than Mark Warner would do, not only were they, it wasn't just a listening outside the door, people were going in and checking the children so from that perspective we felt we were doing more than they normally would do. Err so from that point of view you know it, it was, you know, a bit of a, not say inconvenience isn't the right word, but we were, you know we knew what we going, what, what it was going to be like when we got there and we thought what we were doing was, was more than adequate than a lot of the Mark Warner centres across Europe do.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "So err you know we were aware there was a creche there but just for the reasons that I've just said that's why we didn't use it, so err you know and I know that's something that's been picked up in the press and obviously Mark Warner you know they want to put across that you know there, there is that option for people if they were to go to that Mark Warner resort.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But, but you know.'

01:16:14 1485 "Were you aware by the way that during the course of the week that Gerry and Kate had changed their methods of entering their apartment''

 Reply "Err I hadn't at all, no.'

1485 "Right, the next question then from the PJ'S is, did you travel to Portugal with intercoms to monitor your children' Well you've said that you did.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "When you travel with your children do you always use intercoms''

 Reply "Err, I mean if we, if we were staying at somebody else's house err you know and they were in the loft or whatever and we couldn't hear the children crying then yes we would travel with monitors. Err you know, you know, we, our child you know Scarlet was one of the youngest children there so obviously the monitor was you know, was extremely important, you know we wanted to see if she was crying because you know she wasn't sleeping as well as the elder child so at that, that time, monitors were very important to us and if we were going anywhere where we thought that we couldn't hear the children then you know, if they were very young then we would use the monitors but they're now older and the question's perhaps not as pertinent as it was err you know eleven months ago. But you know, certainly around that time we didn't make a habit of you know going and staying in some resort or hotel and you know stick a monitor upstairs and off we went, it was, you know, we don't go away that frequently.'

01:17:56 1485 "Did you suggest an intercom to anybody else''

 Reply "Err no I mean, I don't, you know I, I remember having the discussion with Fi you know, Fiona, with what, what we were gonna do but I didn't really discuss what other people were gonna do really, you know, which comes back to the bit in the line of questioning you asked me before, do you think everyone knew about what the babysitting was like, and I'm sure I would've said that. Err but no we didn't discuss monitors with anybody else.'

1485 "At the apartment you stayed in with your family at the Ocean Club have you ever left the windows and doors open''

 Reply "Of the, of the apartment''

1485 "Of your apartment yeah.'

 Reply "Err we, well I'd like to think that every time we went out that all the doors were shut, we never knowingly left the apartment with the doors or windows open and you know, it was good having Dianne there because she's a very good safe, safe for everything like you know she'd, you know, so not knowingly did we ever leave them and to my recollection they were never open.'

1485 "Okay.'

 Reply "You know if we were in the apartment, different, but if we left it then no.'

01:19:25 1485 "Okay. Okay David it's time to get your phone out. Can I just confirm what mobile phone number you have please'' :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 05:28:PM
 
David Payne interview continued..


Reply "Yeah, its ******************, . This is not the phone that I had on the night. This is a, a new phone that I've had since then, quite a few of the numbers I've transferred across.'

1485 "Right.'

 Reply "But I haven't got all the numbers that I originally had on that phone.'

1485 "Okay. I'm gonna go through a series of numbers and I want you to have a look in your phone book and see whether you can tell me who they are.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "The first one, the phone number ends in, and I'll just give you the last four digits.'

 Reply "Will you just hang on two secs, this is a bit, okay.'

1485 "It's ****.'

 Reply "**** SA.'

1485 "And who's SA''

 Reply "Err he is err my, Fiona's sister LW, that's her husband.'

1485 "And what sort of a relationship do you have with him''

 Reply "Err a very good relationship. He is err someone that I've known for many years, we've been to their wedding, they came to our wedding, and err he's you know a very good friend.'

 1485 "Okay. Then there's a series of one, two, three, four, five, six text messages around about six p.m. on Friday.'

 Reply "The Friday, yes, err the, these were all in relation to you know what had been happening that, that, that day basically and to get advice from S. Again, you know, a bit like I said with err Fiona's err father, you know he's someone that I trust very well who was not with us at the time who would, who could think calmly and clearly and to just ask advice about you know what was going on, what were they picking up in the UK err you know what coverage was it getting, what, what, what did they know was going on, you know, could they feed anything back, we wanted to get any information that we possibly could, you know, that was the conversation.'

01:22:21 1485 "Okay the next number is, ends in **.'

 Reply "**' I've err I've not got that one in.'

1485 "You've not got that one in''

 Reply "No.'

 1485 "Again, there was a series of text messages around about the same time on the Friday the fourth. There was err two calls and then...'

 Reply "Around six o' clock''

1485 "Yeah, well the calls were made between eight and nine in the morning.'

 Reply "Right.'

1485 "And then there was between ten a.m. to six p.m. there's a series of eight text messages, actually I'm lying, no I'm wrong, sorry, scrap that, there was two, there was two calls between eight and nine in the morning and then one text message, two text messages around about ten a.m.'

 Reply "Right.'

1485 "Could you have been at the Police Station that, the following day around about that time''

 01:24:38 Reply "I mean we didn't leave the Police Station the following day until about eleven o' clock so that, I mean if they were ten a.m. then that would have been before.'

1485 "But that number's not in your book at all''

 Reply "No, as I say whether it's just because it's not one I've transferred across, because I've not got all of the numbers in this phone that I've got in my other one. I, I mean I can certainly get those for you.'

1485 "You may well have to actually.'

 Reply "Yeah okay.'

1485 "The next number ends in ***. Sorry, that's S again, sorry.'

 Reply "Okay.'

1485 "And again there was quite a number of text messages, so you text him again.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Its okay, they've put it in the saved box here.'

 Reply "Oh right, so it's the same''

1485 "The same yeah. Okay, we'll move on, this is a small number and it, it is ***.'

 Reply "So that's a local number''

1485 "I think''

 01:26:10 Reply "Yeah, I mean err it may well have been SA gave us a contact of someone that was a friend of the family in Portugal who err could get us mobile phones because Kate and Gerry you know hadn't got any contact, you know way of contacting, their batteries were running out or something like that so SAhad basically said err you know there's, there's these people that we know there and you know that could have been it.'

1485 "Or, because then there were two text messages sent about half past, about ten o' clock on the Friday evening to that number.'

 Reply "Oh to that number, well that wouldn't make sense.'

1485 "No.'

 Reply "Err''

1485 "From that number to your number.'

 Reply "Oh, it could have been then, if they text me saying oh I hope everything's alright, you've got the phones and everything, that's the only thing.'

1485 "Okay, next number I'd like you to look for please David is **'

 01:27:13 Reply "That's gonna be my sister's' **''

1485 "** yeah. It starts with, it's *''

 Reply "Is it **.'

 1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "**''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Yeah it's my mum's number.'

1485 "What town is that''

 Reply "What town is that' Err Rochdale.'

1485 "Rochdale''

 Reply "Yeah, in Manchester.'


1485 "And again, there was a series of calls which are self explanatory I suppose.'

 Reply "Mm, yeah.'

1485 "The next number could well be another relative but I'll check with you anyway, it's **''

 Reply "Yeah my sister's.'

1485 "Your sister's''

 Reply "Yeah, that's Market Harborough.'

1485 "Next number is a, I think it's a London number, it's o, two, o, seven, and it ends its **.'
 Reply "**' Can we just ring it' (Laughs).'

01:29:09 1485 "(Laughs).'

 Reply "No. What time was that sorry that that was''

1485 "It's about, it's quarter past eleven or twenty three thirteen on the fourth on the Friday night.'

 Reply "At night''

1485 "Yeah. So my, my recollection of ** is a London number if that helps.'

 Reply "Yeah, I'll just have a little look. I, I can't remember, I've got friends that are down in London which I haven't got her number in here, whether she saw it and rang it I don't know. Was it a long, long call or''

1485 "Err, yeah it was quite a long call.'

 Reply "Right, okay.'

1485 "But you actually called the number.'

 Reply "Yeah, okay.'

1485 "Okay, the next number is, it's a mobile number and it ends in **'

 Reply "Mobile number **''

1485 "Yeah, yeah. **, and it ends in **.'

 01:31:16 Reply "Err,**'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "LL, whose a, you know, a friend of the family's.'

1485 "And what was the nature of the, it was a text message at quarter past eight, err quarter past six on the fourth.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

 1485 "Sent, I think it was sent from them to you.'

 Reply "Yeah, it would have been oh yeah, seen, seen what's happened out there, are you okay, you know I presume.'

1485 "Okay the final one is, well it ends in , **.'

 Reply "**' The other thing is, is that err Fiona was using my phone out there, she hadn't got her phone with her so some of these calls may be''

 1485 "This one's a call.

 Reply "But if she got the number and the put it in, she might know what it is, but yeah.'

1485 "Yeah, yeah I accept that.'

 Reply "**. Sorry ** was it''

1485 "**.'

 Reply "Let's have another look, no I don't think I've got that one.'

1485 "Okay.'

 Reply 'It's quite close together all this to all this, but no I can't see that one.'

1485 "Alright, okay well that's the end of the phone traffic, one fin, one question or one person I'd like to speak to you about is Yvonne MARTIN. Do you know a person called Yvonne MARTIN''

 01:34:03 Reply "Yvonne MARTIN''

1485 "Social Worker.'

 Reply "Right. Oh, okay, err there was a lady who was there on the err when me, when me and Kate were waiting on the err morning you know after Madeleine had disappeared err there was err a photographer who was living in the area who err approached us and was just saying ah I used to work for the Daily Mirror, he gave his card and then this woman came up and started err chatting to us who err essentially just said ah I've got many years of experience you know and just started to really try and again force their selves in the situation a bit rather than just saying look I'm around if you need me err you know, so basically I just said it wasn't you know appropriate at the time, could she leave us alone and err but I must admit I didn't know what her, that was you know, that was, and she was, you know she said she was trained for many years as a Social Worker and was out there now err and was offering her help, but not in a particularly helpful way and she appeared you know, and that was on the you know the morning, I don't know somewhere perhaps between nine and ten o' clock in the morning. Err you know I'm sure, sure she'd been at, you know, she popped in there and you know she was around the area, she was seen again, but I mean I didn't have any more contact with her then but at the time it wasn't particularly helpful. Err I can't really say any more than that.'

01:35:47 1485 "Did you know her before that meeting''

 Reply "Err no.'

1485 "Did you speak to the MCCANN'S about it''

 Reply "Err we, yeah we spoke in the context of you know that was completely inappropriate the way that she was trying to deal with it, it's like she was trying to council Kate there and then in the thick of, you know, they're still trying to establish what's going on and what was happening err so you know I spoke to, you know I'm sure I mentioned her to Kate and Gerry you know within a short space of time, you know within twenty four hours of it happening. Err you know, just an example I, you know I was with Kate for quite a number of hours where I was sat with her at the err Police Station in Portim' and everything and you know weeks later she said who was I sat with, you know, and it was that, its that kind of thing you know I'm sure you know I spoke to them about it there and then within twenty four hours but err you know nothing was really mentioned a great deal about her later on or you know it was the, the, you know pretty much you know the conversation was dealt, you know dealt with it there and then and it wasn't, you know, perhaps I mentioned it to the others saying you know and if she popped up here and there you know other people might have mentioned her but she wasn't something that kind of like was the focus of the conversations that we had subsequently.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:37:15 Reply "Err for that morning.'

1485 "Did you advise the MCCANN'S to turn to her''

 Reply "Not at all, no.'

1485 "Not at all''

 Reply "Not at all. She was someone I'd certainly say to, to keep clear of you know and I, and I think pretty much I was saying look you know, appreciate your concern at this stage but you know it's not the right time to be talking to her, if you want to leave a card then you know perhaps there might be a time in the future but you know can you just leave us please, and that was you know the basics of the conversation that I had with her. Err you know her timing was just completely off, err you know there was, I say there was someone else who visited on the night that she was abducted, I think she was from the upstairs and she was again you know trying to say there, there Kate, you're alright, and again it was just completely inappropriate timing.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "I didn't think there was anything sinister about it I just thought it was people who didn't really perhaps have an insight into you know what has gone on and what was good timing and what wasn't. I never really thought anything much more about either of them.'

1485 "Okay, there's no more questions at this stage.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna take a short break, just take a bit of a coffee break.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "And then come straight back in with Gerry and Kate's questions.'

 Reply "Right.'

 1485 "Alright''

 Reply "Yeah, okay.'

01:38:42 1485 "Just before I finish, what we've been talking about on this section of the interview, is there anything that you feel you want to add that may be pertinent to the investigation''

 Reply "Again, just to you know summarise in that you know not many people find themselves in a situation like that and the way that Kate and Gerry were, there was nothing to suggest that there had been any foul play. They behaved so much as I would expect someone in the situation they were in and the way that their moods had changed from you know complete calm and serenity and enjoyment, just turned completely to you know distraught and you know that wasn't acting, that wasn't anyone, that was just pure grief of the situation that they found themselves in.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And you know and the change was like that, it wasn't you know, err I don't think there's anything else I'd like to add at this stage.'

1485 "Okay that's fine, okay. It's two fifty nine, or fourteen fifty nine and I'll stop now

 01:40:00 The interview ceased at 1459 hours when the tape recorder was switched off.

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 05:40:PM
David Payne interview..


RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No IM25A
 Person Interviewed: David PAYNE Number of Pages 35
 Place of Interview: Force Headquarters, Enderby Signature of Interviewing
 Date of Interview: 11.04.08 Officer producing exhibit
 Time Commenced: 1530 hours
 Time Concluded: 1640 hours Duration of Interview: 70 minutes
 Interviewing Officer(s) DC 1485 MESSIAH Tape Reference nos:
 Other Persons Present None
 
 Tape counter times Person speaking Text
 
 00:00:05 1485 "Okay the video's now recording again. We're in a third interview with yourself. We're at Force Headquarters Police in Leicestershire. I am DC Ivor MESSIAH from Leicestershire Police Major Crime Team and the date is Friday the eleventh of April and the time I make by my watch is fifteen thirty exactly. Could you just tell me who you are please''
 Reply "I'm David PAYNE.'
 
1485 "Okay. I'm just continuing in relation to you being a witness to, or, in regards to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine MCCANN, alright, and this is the third interview we're conducting.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Hopefully it should be the last. Once again a series of questions, a lot of open questions, take your time in answering and give me as thorough answer as possible.'

 Reply "Okay.'

1485 "Right, I just, before I move on I just need to refer back to the last interview just to clarify a couple of points.'

 Reply "Okay.'

00:01:05 1485 "One of the points is, do you recall you told me that when Kate had come back to the Tapas and said''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "What had happened.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "You'd said that, you referred to some sort of, her face, you said the look on her face''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Was, can you remember what you said''

 Reply "Err, how did I describe, I mean just you know the, it was just a haunting face of someone who's you know discovered what she discovered.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "It was just, you know, if you meet Kate now, you know, you can see it, you can just see it in her eyes still. Err, I mean, the only other way to put it, you know, there's something missing from her life.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But it was just, you know, the grief and the horror in that face, you know.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "It was just err I'll just never forget it.'

1485 "Yeah. But there was a specific, I mean I'll, I can probably look at the video at a later stage.'

 Reply "Yes.'

 1485 "And I just wonder whether you can remember what you said' It was quite impactive what you said.'

 00:02:16 Reply "Err, sorry.'

1485 "No' That's okay. Can you recall shortly after that she went running off to the apartment block and she was saying they've taken her''

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Is that what you said''

 Reply "Mm, yes.'

1485 "She's taken, they've taken her''

 Reply "She, you know, obviously there's what we've talked about when, you know, it's portrayed in the press about what she said, they've taken her, and that was definitely not, and that was, you know, or unanimous across everyone we'd all said that was not what she first of all said, you know, she's gone was you know the first words that she said.'

1485 "She first said that she's gone''

 Reply "She's gone.'
 
1485 "And then the second time she said''

 Reply "And then, I mean, and then as we were walking up, err and there's you know the exchange of conversation was you know, was they've taken her.'

1485 "Okay. Moving on a little bit to Gerry and Kate, because they like, because you know they're into tennis aren't they''

 Reply "They are.'

1485 "They seem to be playing tennis every day.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "Virtually. Do you know whether they took their own tennis kit out''

 00:03:23 Reply "Err no they didn't.'

1485 "They didn't take the kit out''

 Reply "No.'

 1485 "But when I said''

 Reply "Oh sorry when you say the tennis kit''

1485 "When I say kit.'

 Reply "I'm talking about the, err racquet and b*lls they didn't take.'

1485 "Kit in, you know, kit in general is gonna mean the attire and''

 Reply "Err, did they have any specific tennis gear' You know (inaudible) I don't, I, I don't recall that they had anything specific you know to play, you know, we all have what we ha, call tennis gear you know, not the stuff that you probably go swimming in and you know''
1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Which was appropriate to wear on a tennis court but they weren't err you know they weren't water goers, you know they weren't interested in the water sports side of things.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "So you know they knew there was the tennis side of it and they'd gone along with the interest of playing, you know, some more tennis.'

1485 "So generally what would they wear to play tennis as far as you can recollect''

 Reply "Err I've got the pictures, err, err yeah again, sorry I can't remember.'

 1485 "Well would it be fair to say it would be t-shirts''

 Reply "Oh yes, yeah.'

1485 "Colours''

 Reply "Err I mean again I think Gerry had a white, a white top err I think he had a, you know, like a polo shirt.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:04:36 Reply "Err sleeveless, err I, I keep thinking he's got white trousers err shorts sorry, but I can't remember.'

1485 "What about a kit bag' Would they have a kit bag with them''

 Reply "Err he certainly didn't have a great big tennis bag or a, you know, err I mean I used to be a squash, a semi-professional squash player and you know they certainly didn't have anything that I would call a kit bag from days when I played''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You know, a lot of sport, err if they had a rucksack with some water in that would be, you know, about as big as it got, you know a small rucksack. But it certainly wasn't a big tennis, you know, things that you could put a tennis racquet in.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "There was nothing of that size that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in or anything like that, it would have been just purely, if they had anything''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "It would have been something that had their water in.'

1485 "So as opposed to a bag it'd be something like a rucksack, if at all''

 Reply "If, if at all, yeah.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "And is that the same for Kate''

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

00:05:37 1485 "You mentioned early on, on the last interview as well, about a photo. You spoke brief about a photo you'd shown, you'd shown a photo.'

 Reply "Oh yes, I mean''

1485 "Where did that come from''

 Reply "Err where did the photo come from' That's a very good question, err I'm not sure whether it was from Gerry's digital camera or one of the digital cameras that we had there from my recollection. Err but you know, it was, sorry I can't, I can't remember exactly. I seem to remember it was one of the digital cameras but that's about as far as it...'

1485 "Can you remember the pose in which Madeleine was on the photo''

 Reply "Err I can't, no.'

1485 "Did you see the photo''

 Reply "Err I did, yes. I mean Russell err was probably the most instrumental in that side that we, you know he's very good with computers and setting that side up, so he specifically went off err you know to do that. Err you know, I mean we kind of identified early like you know I have, I have seen the picture and, but sorry I can't remember it.'

00:07:03 1485 "Okay.'

 Reply "But Russell was, I say, you know that was where his strengths was and he went down trying to link up the computers and was good at that kind of (inaudible).'

1485 "Where did the com, where did they link the computer up''

 Reply "Err the err originally I thought it had been done in the reception at the Ocean Club, not the Tapas bar, but then I realised it was actually the Tapas bar, err sorry the other reception as you walk through into the Tapas complex err there's a room just on the right there err they'd got a computer and a printer there err that's how they sorted it out.'

1485 "And Russell did that''

 Reply "Russell did that yes.'

1485 "Was that at Gerry's request''

 Reply "My, well it might have been Gerry's or mine, it was something that we, you know, we, you know you're trying to think what we should do in the circumstances and we thought right you know a picture, we've gotta get a picture out because you know everybody didn't know who Madeleine was so if people were searching for her they needed a picture to identify her, but we, you know, we were also convinced that you know she'd been taken and there was a high chance that someone had got transport to take her, given the way that we thought you know she'd been carried off and err you know, we, well if, if, the worst scenario if there was, if someone was gonna move Madeleine away from that area, you know we wanted the, to try and get the, err, the area secured. Therefore they would need a picture to see who, to identify her so it was something that we were, those, those two things we were, you know keen at trying to secure that, you know, the picture was available and err the, you know the roads were closed down in the surrounding areas.'

00:08:40 1485 "How many photos were there''

 Reply "Err again, I don't, I didn't see all the photos but I know there was at least ten that were printed off, but whether there was more than that I couldn't say but I know that there was at least ten available.'

1485 "And they were all of Madeleine''

 Reply "They were.'

1485 "Were they all the same pictures''

 Reply "Err again, I would have to say I think so, I didn't see all the copies.'

1485 "Okay.'

 Reply "But I know that's what, you know, Russell said, again, I think.'

1485 "Right and do you know where they all went''

 Reply "I don't know.'

1485 "Okay. Did you take any photos on the night at the Tapas bar''

 Reply "No I didn't.'

1485 "Did anybody take any photos''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "Before Kate obviously raised the alarm.'

 Reply "Not that I'm aware of. There wasn't, normally we're quite snap happy but err we've only got a few pictures from the second of May, then the third of May and then you know a few days until err so there wasn't a great deal of pictures being taken err you know obviously there was a few here and there, Jane's quite keen on photography, I know she takes some nice pictures and I'd taken some in the play area on the, the, err the night before and we've also got pictures of the, the afternoon from the beach and from the restaurant and then the play area again and there's some pictures of us playing tennis err with the times on, so you know that's about the last pictures that I can recall. I've got our pictures and I've got Dianne's pictures but I've certainly not seen anybody else's err completely.'

00:10:35 1485 "What about the night before' The Wednesday night, did you take any pictures, were any pictures taken then' Or did you see any pictures being taken then''

 Reply "In the evening''

1485 "Yeah, because I understand that you stayed later on the Wednesday night.'

 Reply "We did, yes, err the pictures that I've got, there are some pictures on one of the evenings and I can't say which evening that was.'

1485 "Your camera should''

 Reply "My cameras will have the''

1485 "It'll have''

 Reply "It'll have the date on there.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But I, you know I can't remember which evening, I thought it was earlier on in the week but err but again it wasn't, it wasn't, you know in the evenings wasn't generally camera time, I don't think people were that bothered really in the evening and that taking pictures, it wasn't...'

1485 "Because it would have all pictures of you huddled together and...'

 Reply "Well it would yeah.'

1485 "(Inaudible).'

 Reply "That was it yeah. I mean as I say there's only like two or three pictures I think we've got from the evening.'

1485 "Right. When you had your beach hour on the Thursday, so you came off windsurfing and then you had food at the beach bar, where was Kate and Gerry''

00:11:52 Reply "Err I mean they certainly weren't at the beach bar err you know there was, as I say it was all parties apart, apart from the MCCANN family and I wasn't aware what they were doing at that, that moment.'

1485 "About, not long after, well before sorry you went, you left''

 Reply "I mean obviously Gerry was playing tennis''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Around that time because you know I knew that I was going up to meet with Gerry.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Sorry, but you know, I'll make that a bit clearer sorry, when we were doing the water sports and that I know at some stage I think we played tennis and that but I couldn't say you know what, or they're in, you know the times we're around there and I knew that Gerry was playing tennis around when we were thinking of going back to, to walk up with him, to play tennis in the evening.'

1485 "So you knew as opposed to seeing them''

 Reply "Well I, I knew Gerry was you know, around that time sorry that he was going to be playing tennis, but I mean I don't know, I couldn't tell you what they were doing earlier on in that afternoon.'

1485 "Yeah. Did you see Kate running along the beach at all''

 Reply "I didn't, no.'

1485 "During that day''

 Reply "No.'

1485 "Around the teatime ish side''

 Reply "Err, again, again I, sorry to say this again but I, I you know she'd been running quite a bit after Madeleine err had gone, and, and again it just gets a little bit patchy and you know, I know I saw her on the beach running, but whether that was after or before I can't remember.'

1485 "(Inaudible.)'

 00:13:25 Reply "That'd be something I'd probably, if I looked at my statement if there's anything in there.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "I would be guided by that. Err I don't''

1485 "So you''

 Reply "I don't think I did, if I, you know if you wanted me to hedge a bet on that one then I'd say more likely I can't remember seeing her running on that, that afternoon but I, I'd prefer to have a look at my statement because I'm sure of at the time of my statement I would have mentioned that.'

1485 "Okay. I'd like you to describe Madeleine to me. What sort of a child she is and you know how you see her.'

 Reply "Mm, err Madeleine's err a very striking err beautiful child, I'd almost if I want a better phrase call her doll-like, you know she was very, you know I think, you know very unique looking child err, she'd got very pretty, you know blonde hair err in a bob, she was quite a petite err child and you know she was very bubbly, very err you know she was a very good child to, to interact with. She was very bright, you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine err and you know she, she was, you know Kate and Gerry's, you know pride and joy. They'd had a lot of trouble conceiving, you know with IVF and everything and you know Madeleine was their miracle. She was obviously very unique with the fact that she'd got the, you know the iris defect err but you know she was certainly a happy go lucky child you know she was, she would interact with the other children very well, as I said on the other, earlier recording, you know she played very happily with Lily and you know indeed the other children. She was, you know, very, she is a very beautiful child and good fun.'

1485 "Mm.'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 05:55:PM
David Payne interview continued...


00:15:30 Reply "You know I, you know a fact I've come across already you know she was a, she's a very bright child you know, she wouldn't be the kind of mischievous child who you know and just try and get out of the flat and you know get up to mischief and that, you know, there's fun in all children but she certainly wasn't that kind of child. She was very bright.'

1485 "Moving on then to the time that you, when you say after the alarm was raised you went into the MCCANN'S apartment. Can you describe the layout of the apartment''

 Reply "If you're going in through the patio doors you walk directly into the, err the living, you know, lounge space. Then if you're going, walking through the apartment towards the front door you have the kitchen on the, err right, which was a small kitchen, which was boxed off from the rest of err open plan living space. If you were walking from the patio doors into the apartment and you were walking towards the front door and turn left you would go towards the bedroom areas. Directly in front of you, you had the bathroom err as you were looking at the bathroom the door to the left would be the, the room where Kate and Gerry stayed and the door to the right was err where the children were sleeping. Err you know there was the double bed in the err Kate and Gerry's room and as you went into err Sean and Amelie's room there was a bed up against the far wall where there was the, you know, was the window. There was another bed parallel to that but across the other side of the room, err along the wall where the door is where you walked into the apartment. In between the two parallel beds was the, err two cots also parallel with the space err between the two of them, and obviously the twins were sleeping in the err cots and then err Madeleine was on the bed which was nearest the door that you walked in to get in there.'

1485 "Okay. When you went in after the alarm was raised what was the bedroom like at that point''

 00:18:01 Reply "Err the, you know again I, it, it wasn't, it wasn't dark, it wasn't really, really dark but it you know my overall impression was the room was fairly dark. The, the children as I said before were still err fast asleep, which again you know we've discussed this you know over the months that Kate and Gerry you know, as all children wake up you know in the night and err you know with all the pandemonium and the shouting, breaking, that they were still you know, fast asleep, and err you know I wouldn't describe that I could see anything in the room like there'd been, you know, clothes thrown around the room or anything and disturbed and you know I, I noticed that the bed was empty that Madeleine was sleeping in. Other people have described that the bed was very neat and tidy but that isn't what, you know, I could confirm.'

1485 "What was the bed like that you can confirm''

 Reply "I, I, you know, I, my note, visual note was she's not there, the twins are there, you know I just ran out and you know was wanting to, you know, run around like a headless chicken and try and do something you know to be helpful.'

00:19:23 1485 "How long do you think you were in that bedroom for''

 Reply "Err as I say when I was there I wasn't actually, hadn't walked in to the whole part of the bedroom, if anything I'd just stepped in to the room just from the, err you know the doorway perhaps just beyond the doorway, but I hadn't you know gone right in to say like where the twins were or in between where the beds were. Err again it's, it's difficult, it's difficult to say because I could have well pop back more than once just, you know, you know with Gerry, you know moving, you know we were moving around so frequently, err I wasn't certainly there for any length of time, whether it'd be a minute, you know that would be something, or that I'd ever stayed at the maximum because there was just so much else.'

 1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "You know going on with people running around etcetera.'

1485 "Throughout the holiday from the twenty eighth till the fifth, or till the third''

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "How many times do you think you actually went into the MCCANN'S apartment''

 00:20:33 Reply "Err probably more than other people as I said there was the, there was one, there was the incident with the cot where were trying to, you know, had some difficulty with one of the cots that had been provided to err you know so and they'd got the spare cot that you know so I had to go down and pick that up and then I, I popped in there you know some other times as well, I say I probably, in total during the week, I'd have said five, half a dozen times I'd been to that apartment.'

1485 "Okay. Just going back to the phone numbers, do you recall I told, or you mentioned the Portuguese number''

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "I mentioned to you that they'd sent you, or they sent to your phone a text message on the fourth, which is the following, the next day about twenty past ten, sorry two minutes past ten.'

 Reply "Right.'

1485 "And then eight minutes past ten.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Did you actually speak to these people''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "In Portugal''

 Reply "The, I mean, the other, there was a, the other person who contacted me which I didn't mention while I was at the Police Station was one of the Portuguese err newspapers and err you know asking, you know for comments and err so that could have been what the, you know, the number. I spoke, I did speak to the other, the friends of Simon ALDRIDGE'S who you know who kindly bought the phones and they actually bought the phones to the Portim' Police Station and I went downstairs and got the phones and then err brought them back upstairs. Err in terms of you know whether I, we spoke to them on the next day sorry, was that the question''

1485 "Well you spoke to them on the next day, the next day yeah that Madeleine went missing, on the fourth.'

 Reply "Right.'

1485 "That's when, well, there's text messages but what I'm asking you is, did you speak to them''

00:22:29 Reply "Err I don't remember having any text conversation with any err Portuguese newspapers so I presume that Portuguese number, they, sorry yeah the other, the, the other Portuguese person I spoke with was err there was err a Solicitor in err Lisbon who err the conversation it may well have been with Lisa LACARNIE because that was a friend of their family who they, they've got a business in the UK but they deal with Portugal and Lisa said if you need any err Portuguese advice then there's err Paolo, and again I've got his number in my other phone which might clarify that bit.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And err he err and I did speak to him again after that day so it may well have been him just to say oh you know do you want any help, do you want any advice, and err and that you know that's how it was left at that, that stage so that might have been, piecing it together from what you're saying.'

1485 "Do you recall me telling you about the London number, which you couldn't find in your phone''
 Reply "Yes.'

00:24:00 1485 "That number actually transcribes back to the Crime Specialist Director in London.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Did you contact them''

 Reply "Err I did yes. My, err you know my sister err had been in contact with them and she was trying to do everything that she could knowing the, err, the difficulties that we were having out there so you know I did approach them just asking for advice but err I can't remember, I don't think I actually spoke to anyone there, but for some reason that wasn't carried forward.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But I mean, you know, just into the context of the conversation you know we're in a strange country, we've got no representeers we don't know what's going on, all hell's broken loose and you know to see whether you can do anything to help Madeleine come back, you know and that was the lines that we were taking.'

1485 "Do you remember who you spoke to''

 Reply "I don't know.'

1485 "The call was made on the following day at twenty three thirteen, so that's late at night.'
 Reply "Mm.'
 
1485 "You don't recollect anything else about the conversation that you had with that, was it you that made the call''

 Reply "Err I, yeah I know that I got phone numbers from my sister which I did you know ring them but I can't remember making one late at night.'

00:25:35 1485 "Okay. Okay just finally we'll come on to the, Kate and Gerry's questions and you may have answered these.'

 Reply "Okay yeah.'

1485 "The first question is an obvious question. How long have you known Gerry and Kate' And what kind of a relationship do you have with the couple''

 Reply "Yeah, err I say Fiona first worked with Kate err at an anaesthetic registrar and I was doing research back in two thousand, err so that's you know we ended up going out err for the night and then you know we're very good friends ever since. Err we went away to err Lanzarote err that was gonna be about two thousand and three, they came to our wedding later in two thousand and three. We went to Majorca with them a year later and again had a very good you know holiday with them there. You know we see them, you know re, you know quite frequently, we've always got on extremely well. Err the more I know Gerry the more I like the guy, err and it works great you know because Fiona has a really good relationship with Kate, I get on really well with Gerry, you know I get on well with Kate as well. Our kids all get on well together and you know we, you know they, you know they are just such lovely people they've got time for absolutely every, anybody and to hear the things that have been said about them again is just, you know it's completely err heartbreaking really because they are, they're just, they are the salt of the earth they really are.'

00:27:42 1485 "Have you ever been at Kate and Gerry's home when their children have been at home' And if so, how many times''

 Reply "Yes, I mean we, err we know them when they were err living at, obviously when they were at Queniborough first, we've known Madeleine ever since, you know she's err been around and we went over to see them in Amsterdam as well and you watched Madeleine, you know, we were all the staying there together then since the twins have been around we've been round as well so we've been many, many times you know when they've been together, you know the children have been there err so yeah.'

1485 "Were your children present as well''

 Reply "Yeah, yeah, you know because obviously between the five children and we've known them ever since, before we've had children and then when each one's come along you know we've always been, you know each family's been pleased for the other family if you like and there's always, you know wanted to be available when you, your children are being born and congratulate and to help and err and so I think you know ever since we've known them and since we had children we've always been around.'

 00:28:55 1485 "And the next question is have you ever been on holiday with them before' Well yes you have.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "How did they take care of the children at night when you went away with them before''

 Reply "Err when err we were, when we were, well when they came to our wedding first of all Madeleine was very young then so you know they kept her you know with them at all times. When we went to err Majorca together it was a big err building you know for, big enough for four couples and the family and we just stayed at that particular err you know farm house, you know all the time really so if, when the kids went to bed we were downstairs. Err they, when we were there they were downstairs so they weren't far away from err you know where we were staying that night and err you know their kids slept very well that holiday and err but you know they were, they were very close by and people were passing by you know just to check on the kids upstairs because we were having a bit more of a problem so you know there was a lot of activity not far away from where their children were, they'd all slept very well in that early part of the evening, well I think through the night generally. So we were very close by err we were, we ate generally in, in the place itself which wasn't many metres away but you know certainly they were very responsible and err you know certainly nothing.'

 00:30:34 1485 "The next question is, how often did you meet Kate and Gerry during the holiday between the twenty eighth and the third' I think we've already covered that haven't we.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah. Less frequently than probably other people but we all met up, and certainly in the evenings and play time.'

1485 "How often did you see Madeleine''

 Reply "Sorry can I just go back to that''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "I mean also there was times when we you know did the picking up at the creche, you know Lily was always at the same creche as Sean and Amelie so I would generally meet Gerry you know err when we, when the creche had finished in the morning, when, because that was the only time that err Lily went there so I either, generally saw either Kate or Gerry at that time.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "So that was also another moment that we generally linked up.'

1485 "Well other than, because you played tennis on the third, so other than the third was there any other times that you played tennis with Gerry''

 Reply "Oh yeah, err there was, you know one, one evening err there was a fastest serve evening and we had a bit of fun all trying to err you know out the machine which measured how quickly you served, so you know, that was the evening that we played, I'm sure there must have been another time that we'd had a knock as well.'

00:31:43 1485 "Have you ever felt you had a reason to become concerned about the children''

 Reply "During the holiday or generally' This answer's probably the same anyway to''

1485 "Generally I would think.'

 Reply "No, err you know Kate and Gerry I think it's, they've had you know the twins, it's never difficult, err sorry it's never easy looking after twins, err my sister's got twins and err you know and it was very difficult for them. Madeleine would often get up in the night and go and sleep in the same bed as err Kate and Gerry so I think their sleep patterns were pretty disturbed and I always marvelled at how well, I mean I'd be so much more tired than they were and, and grouchy but they never were. They were never, I, I've never ever seen either of them lose it with, with the kids you know err they, they you know tell them off as any parent does but you know no, not particularly forcefully you know as, you know and they have they've always been such an even keel err that you know you just have to admire how they've brought their, their family up, and children up.'

1485 "When was the first time that you saw Kate and Gerry on that Thursday''

 Reply "Thursday' Again, I can't, you know the only moments I can definitely say is when I saw Gerry before the tennis and then I saw Kate but you know there must have been some other time during the day but I'm not sure.'

 00:33:26 1485 "So seeing Kate in the apartment''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Was that the first time that you saw her that day''

 Reply "I, I can't, I can't recall seeing her before that but I'm not saying that I didn't see her.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err''

1485 "Well we've covered what time you got to the Tapas bar and who was there, we've covered what Gerry and Kate were doing when you arrived, did you speak to Kate and Gerry' Well you spoke to Gerry didn't you'
How were they behaving generally''

 Reply "Err while we were at the Tapas''

1485 "When you got''

 Reply "Yeah err you know as I said on the earlier err tape that you know I, I'd had one of the best days and you know I was saying that to Gerry and Gerry was going ah you know you wouldn't believe what a brilliant day we've had and you know it's one of the best days he's had there and he was, you know, he, he's someone who is, you know, you know we were saying, you know what a great week it worked out, you know really well you know how ironic you know that's turned out to be but you know that was generally the mood that evening. You know we were coming towards the end of the, err holiday you know it was our last but one night and err yeah it was just a really good, a good mood, you know as I say if that's the only that, that's the only thing that's peculiar about it, you know, but everyone was''

00:34:54 1485 "It's got here, who left the table and why' Well we've discussed that people left the table.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "To go and look after their children, can you think of anybody who went, who left the table that night to other than look after the children''

 Reply "No, I can't, I can't think of any other reason.'

1485 "It's one of the earlier interviews, somebody had mentioned that primarily it was, other than Jane, it was all the males that did all the running about, would that be about right''

 Reply "I mean as I say I remember Matt and Russell going, I remember Gerry going and remember the, you know, Jane you know, err I can't remember whether Rachael left the table or not, but the''

1485 "Dianne''

 Reply "Err I don't think, I don't think Dianne left the table, I don't remember seeing her move.'

1485 "Fiona''

 Reply "No.'

 00:36:07 1485 "Did you see Gerald leaving the table during the meal' Well we discussed that about why and what time, for how long, and, but you said when he returned, did he act any differently when he returned''

 Reply "No, no.'

1485 "And again these are sort of questions relating to the same thing with different individuals.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "So when, did you see Jane leave the table' And what time' For how long''

 Reply "Mm, err as I say I can't remember exactly how long people left, the longest anyone left was, was you know I can remember is Russell and again that was because in terms of you know the food issue.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "And err but you know certainly everyone else I don't remember them going for a particularly long time, I'd expect them to walk up to the apartment, look at their, err respective children and then walk back.'

00:37:08 1485 "Obviously that relates as well to Matthew, which you've covered, Russell which you've covered, Kate which you've covered, was that the one and only time that Kate left the table when she came back and raised the alarm'' :)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 05:59:PM
David Payne interview continued...


Reply "I believe so.'

1485 "According to your''

 Reply "According to my memory yeah.'

1485 "According your memory. And you described how she looked and you described how she was behaving. Were you shocked about what she'd said''

 Reply "I mean, the, you know the first, you know there's a moment of disbelief you know or you know you look for every plausible, you know, explanation in your mind which just goes through very, you know filters through very quickly you know could this have happened, or you know or what, you know but as I say when she said it and the look on her face it was, you know if a picture told a thousand words then you know. Again, you know, Kate is just so reliable you know she wouldn't come running down and saying, well certainly she's gone and then you know thinking she's wandered off and then as it transpired you know, then you know, what she was telling us after in terms about the gate, but the look on her face and her saying she's gone, it to me implied what had happened without actually hearing anything else, just by the look on her face.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "But you know, again, whether that's also a little bit of retrospectively, you know, (inaudible) on the situation, but I can just remember the look on her face, she's gone.'

00:39:00 1485 "Did you enter the MCCANN apartment' Well you did. Did you enter the children's room' Which you did. You described what you saw, you've said that you saw the twins. Did you notice anything strange about it''

 Reply "Err, as I say, you know about before, the amount of screaming that was going on in the apartment and around and everything that was kicking off and the fact that the two of them could just sleep through it, you know, again, perhaps just take on board saying that you know sometimes you know, they've had their difficulties with Kate and Gerry with them sleeping through and you know it was just very bizarre that they continued to sleep through. Err you know I did notice obviously that, the change in the, you know the blind and the err window, but you know I can't accurately say it like other people did, you know what, how exactly did they find it, I couldn't say.'

1485 "What do you mean the change in the blinds in the window''

 Reply "Well you know it was pointed out, the window was open, the blind's not, you know, err down it's open, you know so those things you know I was made aware of but err as I say I couldn't tell you exactly how far down the blind was or how much the window was open.'

00:40:22 1485 "Did Kate say anything about the window and the shutter''

 Reply "Err I'm sure she did but what she exactly said and you know because we were, you know, the first thing you're trying to do is work out how it could be opened you know, what was, you know, err and you know the discussion whether it be open from the inside or the outside but what she said I can't remember. But also on the back of subsequent discussions that we had about what may have happened, it's difficult to say without, or you know things merge into one.'

1485 "What did you do next' Well you took part in assisting in the apartment then you did some searches with Russell and''

 Reply "Matt.'

1485 "Matthew was saying, and you was with, who were you with' Russell and Matt obviously. Okay, on realising that Madeleine was not found within the first ten minutes, how did Kate react''

 Reply "Err she was distraught and you know (sighs).'

1485 "And the same for Gerry''

 Reply "Yeah, I mean Kate, you know Kate generally, you know more emotional than err Gerry was and then all of a sudden Gerry would breakdown and you know just, you know saying she's gone, you know she's gone, err Kate was more like that on a continual basis throughout the evening. Err Gerry would still try and function in between the moments of you know breaking down and err you know and try to, you know, I had the discussion on with phone and you know what, what we gonna do and err and then, you know, they'd breakdown again, so there was''

00:42:25 1485 "Considering that Madeleine had disappeared, what did you think of their behaviour''
 Reply "(Sighs) I mean it, you know I, whatever, it, it seemed to be appropriate, I've never been in a position to see what people are normally like after, it seemed completely appropriate for what had happened and there wasn't one moment you know that I thought that's, you know oh crikey they've taken that well or you know, you'd expect them to be more upset than that or you know, (inaudible) expected it if you haven't lived through that circumstances.'

1485 "I just want you to think about this one here now, what did you do between, I know you said that you did subsequent searches, but up until ten o' clock the next morning, just tell me what you, just go through your movements.'

 Reply "What, sorry, in the''

1485 "Yeah so you've started to take part in the searches and you've taken part with Matt and Russell.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "You've done a bit of a loop of the''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Down to the Supermarket. Just tell me''

 Reply "I mean the''

1485 "You went back, subsequently back to your apartment and then bedtime and then''
 Reply "Yeah I mean my, my, you know a lot of the movements you know the, initially with the sweep that I did straight away round the complex I was on, you know I did that on my own err you know, going up to the room, that bit I did on my own and where I swept down to the beach and walked along you know and shouted for Madeleine and seeing other people as I went along you know that was purely, I was running and I was doing that on my own. Then when I went back to the apartment, then swept up you know at some stage looking up at the, the area above the apartment to the side, looking in the rough err some rough land which was on the way to the err Millennium err where we ate, err and there was err bumped into Dan, he was looking, you know the tennis pro, looking there you know err I say that was another part of the search. In the meantime there was also, you know, discussion with Mark Warner people and the Police immediately outside the, err, the apartment err you know so there was, I can't think of anything else to say.'

00:45:00 1485 "So when did you eventually go back to your apartment''

 Reply "Err''

1485 "To sleep and''

 Reply "To go to sleep' We went back to the apartment about four, four thirty err we slept err you know we'd got err Sean and Amelie err over to the apartment, you know we'd got the bedding done for Kate and Gerry and then we went sleep, we woke up about six, six thirty err and then as I say, err, you know Kate and Gerry were err you know were already awake, not that they'd, you know, they'd slept sorry you know they were still awake and err you know they, they'd been out searching already looking to see what's happening. Again I remember Kate very distraught you know, there was nobody outside the err apartments and you know and it just felt like time was just ticking by and you know nothing, you know appeared to be happening.'

1485 "And then you spoke to Yvonne MARTIN around about nine o' clock you said.'

 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "What did you do up until nine o' clock''

 Reply "Err I remember we were hang, you know I was outside with, you know, with Kate quite a bit err just basically looking, seeing whether anything was happening, err outside, err I say there was, there was the local report and the news journalist who came up as well at some stage, then err then there was a correspondence between you know, with Robert MURAT and the err Police who err arrived and you know trying to find out what was going on. And then, you know, obviously we were gonna be going to the err Portim' Police Station and then you know we were waiting obviously for that to happen and err that's about it really.'

00:47:03 1485 "Okay when did you leave Portugal''

 Reply "Err we stayed on for about another four weeks err after, err I can't remember the exact err date that we left but towards the end of May.'

1485 "And did you see and meet Kate and Gerry''

 Reply "Yeah, I mean''

1485 "During that time.'

 Reply "I mean we, we, we tended to find that the best time to meet up with them was err in the evenings, that was you know they were trying to get through a hell of a lot of work, Gerry was you know, you know working away, was trying to err you know get things going and you know corresponding and ringing people and err the err the, the Police, err the liaison team who came out from Leicester you know when they initially came out I, you know I hooked up with Kate and Gerry and was you know part for the early meetings but then err Mike, you know Kate's cousin, and err Johnny, you know they came out and they were, you know they were, spent a lot of their time around (inaudible) and then Trish and Sandy,

so they ended up getting a very good team of people immediately around them who, you know, they certainly wanted their, their help from whether it be a practical err level err or advice, then you know they'd got, so we were just really felt that you know at the end of the day was the most appropriate time to catch up with them. I mean obviously, you know, the, the televised, you know when we went to the err church with err you know Kate and Gerry and err the rest of the group err so you know probably out of the, of the other couples there we, you know we tended to meet up most of the time in the evenings and then we would you know go back to the, err, the rest of the group and just, you know and try and give some information about what had happened to Madeleine you know. That's what everything was about you know, what's going on you know, was there any information you know, and, we tended you know to watch a lot of Sky news just to try and get any information that we possibly could about what was going on, err so that was kind of the main contact we had with them. Err probably around less than a week, or around a week after Madeleine had gone, you know we all met up as err a group and I think in our apartment they, you know wanted to just touch base with everybody you know we, we'd all been through that experience and Kate and Gerry wanted to you know, again in the, in the depths of despair that they would just see how everyone else was and just you know err, err, and just you know there was a real camaraderie, you know, mix of people who were there.'

00:49:55 1485 "Did the original group all stay till the same time as you''

 Reply "No we, we decided that we would stay out longer than err the other, you know Matt and Rachael and Russell and Jane, we didn't think it was a, certainly it was appropriate that we all left together, it you know, I think no-one wanted to really leave, they wanted to stay there as long as they could and you know, and be a support for err Kate and Gerry but I think obviously you know, I think other events were taking over and really we, you know we were just, you know super, superfluous for requirements and it was just like groundhog day, we were just doing the same thing, you know every day, get up and then wait till the end of the day and err you know I think certainly others felt it was import, you know that as a, as a stage that they'd reached where they felt it was appropriate to leave. We certainly wanted to stay longer, you know, we were the, the main friends for Kate and Gerry out the group there and err we wanted to provide as much support as we, as we could and I think the other thing was that Gerry ended up coming back to the UK and we felt that it was a good time, you know, to support Kate and be there while he'd gone so that not everyone had gone.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:51:14 Reply "Err because we felt that the people who had been through that experience were the only ones who could really know what it was it was like and err so you know and that's the spot that we felt the bond, you know, with Kate and so we waited till he'd done that and then it seemed like err the right time for us to, to leave.

1485 "We're not far off now, during the holiday did you see Kate and Gerry speak to anybody unknown to yourself''

 Reply "At the, after Madeleine had gone or before''

1485 "Before, before.'

 Reply "Before, err they, they made friends with other people who were in the complex err who you know we don't necessarily, we didn't perhaps necessarily know they were at the time but as, as the week went on you know it was obvious who they were and err you know these were people that they were playing tennis with who they'd had lessons with err apart from that, you know, obviously all, all the nannies we got to know err there was no-one, you know there was a few people who were slightly more in the periphery who were the holiday makers there that we didn't speak to as much, I might have seen Gerry speaking to them but you knew them, they were primarily, you know, people from the complex who were on holiday there. Err so there's nobody you know you wouldn't expect them to be talking with on a, on a holiday.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "In that, in the situation.'

00:52:56 1485 "Did you see them in a car at all whilst you were in Portugal, prior to Madeleine disappearing''

 Reply "Err we all arrived you know at Praia Da Luz initially in the taxi err apart from that I can't really recall.'

1485 "That's it.'

 Reply "I can't recall err seeing you know err going anywhere in a car.'

 1485 "Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth''

 Reply "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'

1485 "Okay. And finally, Mr PRIOR touched on the re-enactment earlier on, I think the re-re-enactment's likely to take place either at the end of April or sometime in the middle of May. Do you see yourself attending''

00:54:14 Reply "I will do anything in my powers that could be helpful to shed light on what happened to Madeleine or bring Madeleine back, or to change the status that Kate and Gerry find themselves in. Though saying that, we have concerns regarding going back err for a re-enactment and those points that we have you know raised in a letter which I believe is being forwarded to the Portuguese Police. Err what we would like to see is you know some detailed answers to those points and we would also like to know that everyone else is taking part in the re-enactment because if everyone wasn't there then it doesn't seem that its particularly err worthwhile and obviously you know, problems with the press, you know, which would become very prominent the past twenty four hours, you know I think we would certainly want some reassurances err to you know, just, it'll address people to look at the letter that we all sent and if you're kind enough to answer those in detail then that is a, you know, an answer that we would make in light of what the response was to those points.'

1485 "Okay.'

 Reply "But I wouldn't rule anything out.'

1485 "Okay. Is there anything else at this particular moment that you'd like to say''

 Reply "No.'

1485 "Okay. I make the time err sixteen twenty five.'

 00:55:53 Male knocks at the door, DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.

 00:57:01 DC MESSIAH re-enters the interview room.

 1485 "Just one quick question David, just, you know the, we talked about the phones earlier on.'

 Reply "Yes.'

1485 "The number **, did you find that in your phone''

 Reply "Err I, I'll have another look but I don't think I did.'

1485 "Can you just have another look''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "So its **''

1485 "Yeah.'

 00:58:06 Reply "Err I can't see it' I can't see it in this phone no.'

1485 "Does the name SG mean anything to you''

 Reply "It does yeah, that's my, err brother in-law, my other brother in-law, well my sister, sister's husband.'

1485 "And where does he live''

 Reply "Err he lives, the, the phone number which you've got which is the **.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "That's, err, he lives there.'

1485 "Market Harborough''

 Reply "Market Harborough yes, and sometimes it is easier just to chat and, you know if they were out and about on his mobile, he uses that one more, so I'm more likely to chat with my sister.'

1485 "Does he work in London at all''

 Reply "He does yes.'

1485 "And obviously the calls on the fourth of the fifth at eight o nine and at nine fifty one and at ten fifteen, ten sixteen I beg your pardon, on the fourth, two calls and one text message. What, can you remember what the nature of those calls were''

 Reply "Err what to S, to Ss phone''

1485 "Yeah.'

 Reply "Err''

1485 "Or S called you I believe.'

 Reply "Yeah, err I mean, the general gist of it was how, you know how are you doing you know what's going on, err and is there any help that you know you can have, you know that was generally the gist of the text and things. I mean I can find exactly, if I can find them on my phone or I can let you have them, but you know it was just obviously my sister, she was very concerned and she was doing everything that she could to be supportive towards obviously Kate and Gerry.'

1485 "Okay, well thanks for that. Okay then, I'm gonna switch the tapes off now, it's now sixteen thirty, just (inaudible) sixteen thirty.'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 06:01:PM
David Payne interview continued...
 

01:00:40 Male knocks at the door, DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.

 01:02:37 DC MESSIAH re-enters the room.

 1485 "You thought we'd finished didn't you.'

 Reply "I know.'

1485 "(Laughs)'

 Reply "Not quite.'

1485 "Not quite, no. Not long now to go. Okay, I'm just gonna go over these, this phone issue again.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "I just, there's just some areas that I've been asked to point out, or been asked to speak to you about.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''

 Reply "Err I mean, S brother err is a gentleman called N and N's wife N had got friends out in the Algarve and they were just you know basic people who were just willing to help us in whatever capacity it was, whether we wanted a room for the night or anything and they asked is there anything we can do, err whether they could do, and err and that was, you know, that was one thing we said well actually you know err Kate's phone's nearly ran out, we're sat, we don't know how long we're gonna be at the Police Station you know could, you know, can they, you know is there any way of getting phones to us just so that you know, we can, for communication. Err and err so that was, that was a capacity really err of people.'

01:04:02 1485 "And where were these phones, when did these phones arrive''

 Reply "Err when did we get the phones' When we were at the Police Station, err you know as, you know I just asked whether I could just pop downstairs there was someone who's brought us phones and they said yeah, so I quickly popped downstairs, got the phones, and took them back into the Police Station. Err I can't remember if there was any power in them when we opened them up but err so then that was, you know, so the phones were just, you know because we hadn't got any other, anything there, so.'

1485 "And what phones were they' Do you remember what sort of, what make they were''
 Reply "Err they were Samsung phones, err and I think they were Vodaphone SIM cards. Err the actual model, I can't tell you the Samsung phone but they were, something like the Samsung three hundred, something like that.'

1485 "Yeah, how many phones were there''

 Reply "There was, there was two err and we ended up, err again, we ended up keeping one and Kate and Gerry had one, I think we gave the second one to Kate and Gerry as well after a while but we were err you know because they'd got credit put on to them so we were just using those phones rather than run up the expense of our own phones.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:05:33 Reply "So err yeah.'

1485 "So the two phones, you've kept one and gave one to Kate and Gerry''

 Reply "Kate and Gerry yeah.'

1485 "And do you have the numbers of those phones in your phone''

 Reply "I don't, no, no.'

1485 "Where are these phones now''

 Reply "Err as far as I am aware that they, you know, remained in Portugal, again''

1485 "With whom'

 Reply "With Kate and Gerry.'

1485 "So Kate and Gerry took possession of that second phone which you had''

 Reply "Well, they certainly kept the first one, the second one, the second one, sorry, no I think that's rubbish. I think I, I may well have got the, I might have got the second phone. Actually I've got a sneaky feeling when I got home I tried the UK SIM card in it and it didn't work so I could well have got the second phone.'

1485 "So is it likely that this second phone is at your home address''

 Reply "Err that is a strong possibility.'

1485 "So two Samsung phones.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "One is, to your knowledge, still with Kate and Gerry.'

 Reply "Yeah.'

 1485 "The other one you may well have at your home address.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Did you use the phones often''

 Reply "Not''

1485 "In Portugal''

 Reply "Not a great deal no, no, it was, it was, first of all you know we didn't have any numbers in them already and then with being a Portuguese phone you know it was just a bit more difficult so we, if we ever used them, I mean which wasn't often, we'd perhaps call Kate and Gerry using the Portuguese phone, but it wasn't a kind of religious oh we'll just use the, that Portuguese phone to err you know establish communication.'

1485 "Yeah.'

 01:07:23 Reply "Err you know and the other reason that we, we had the, one of the phones is because Fiona didn't have a phone either so you know, so it's like she had the use of the other phone as well.'

1485 "Right, so out of the two of you then, who predominantly used that phone''

 Reply "I'd say Fiona.'

1485 "Fiona''

 Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "And has it been used since it's been in the UK''

 Reply "No.'

1485 "Okay, okay.'

 Reply "And I'm just trying to think you know how much, you know the, the, I can't remember you know obviously we were there for four weeks after but when the actual credit ran out, because I remember the credit running out and not being able to actually put anymore on even though it's supposed to be quite straight forward but again, you know whether that was after, you know, three weeks of being out there or whatever I can't remember.'

1485 "Yeah, how many times do you think you topped it up then''

 Reply "I don't, I don't think we did, I don't think I did. I don't think I could work out how to do it to be honest.'

1485 "So when both of them arrived both of them had credit on them''

 Reply "They put, I think they put, I think err I think they put forty pound credit or forty euros, you know, which seemed to last a lot longer than the amount of credit we were (inaudible) we were using our own err mobile phones.'

 1485 "Just wait there a second I'll just (inaudible).'

 Reply "Okay.'

 01:08:40 DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.

 01:09:00 DC MESSIAH re-enters the interview room.

1485 "All done.'

 Reply "Okay.'

1485 "The phone, is it likely that I could collect it when I take you home''

 Reply "I can certainly have a look for it and I can give you, I mean if you, if you wanted to have my other mobile phone with all the numbers in and you know if you can access text messages on that you're welcome to have that phone.'

1485 "Okay, do you know where you'd be able to put your hand on it if you''

 Reply "Err the Samsung one, again, there was a Vodaphone bag that was knocking around, and that would be where it is if err I can find it. Fiona might know.'

1485 "Okay, perhaps you could give her a call or something.'

 Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Alright then, it's now sixteen forty on this date.'

 01:09:48 The interview ceased at 1640 hours when the tape recorder was switched off.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 08:03:PM
Gerald McCann witness statement...


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Witness Statement

Gerald Patrick McCann

Date: 2007/05/04

Time 11.15

He comes to the process as a participant and offended party, as the girl's father. Being of British nationality he does not speak Portuguese and is assisted by the interpreter Natalia de Almeida.

When asked he says that he had been in Portugal previously in 1994, staying in an apartment near to Albufeira. This is the first time he has returned to Portugal.

His desire to know Portugal in 1994 was due to the fact of playing golf, as our country is known for the excellent conditions for practising this sport. On this occasion, the trip was proposed by one of his friends who accompanied him, David Payne, who upon searching in Internet, made a reservation at the OC, P da L, Lagos, for the witness, his wife and the rest of the group, a total of nine adults and 8 children, including his daughter Madeleine, this group consists of people he has known for 5 or 6 years.

In this way they travelled in two separate groups, one of the groups being the witness, his wife Kate and three children and other group consisting of David with his wife, mother in law and two children. The witness left from the local airport (Leicestershire) and the other group left from London and consisted of four adults and three children.

The meeting point was in Portugal, at the OC, where his group arrived at about 14.30 on 28th April 2007, arriving from Faro airport in a small minibus provided by the airport services. The other group also arrived on the same day at about 13.00, also by means of a minibus.

After checking in, the witness and his family were accommodated in apartment G5 A, the family nucleus consisting of the witness, his wife Kate, his daughter Madeleine and a couple of twins aged two, Sean and Amelie. The apartment consisted of two beds in one bedroom, another two beds in another bedroom and two cots provided by the resort, as well as a WC and kitchen.

The witness and his wife slept in one of the bedrooms and the three children in the other, the twins in the cots and Madeleine in a bed, leaving the remaining bed empty.

Between the 28th April, the day they arrived and the time the disappearance was discovered, he says that nothing unusual happened, only referring to an episode on the morning of the 3rd May, when Madeleine asked the witness the reason why they had not gone to her room when the twins were crying. As he did not hear anything, the witness did not go to the bedroom, however he finds his daughter's comment to be strange, maybe because it was the first time that she had made it.

As regards routines, he says that on Sunday they had breakfast between 07.30 and 08.30 at the OC Bar at a few metres distance from the apartment. During the following days, because of the fact that the bar was quite far away, they began to buy food at a supermarket situated in the same street as the apartment, he cannot remember the name of the supermarket and they would have breakfast in the apartment. After breakfast the children would stay in the resort crèche, called the Kid Club, doing various activities such as painting and collage, etc, until about 12.30, they were always supervised by various members of staff, in a ratio of one member of staff to every three children. At this time - 12.30 - the parents would collect the children and have lunch in the apartment, which had a kitchen. When lunch was finished, at about 13.30, the children would stay at the Club pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they would relax and put on sun screen, etc. Afterwards, they would take the children back to the Kid Club until about 17.00, when the children would have dinner at the bar, under the attentive eye of their parents. After dinner at 17.00, they would bath the children and get them ready for the night and play with them for a few moments in the recreation area near the tennis courts, always supervised by the parents. At about 19.30 - 20.00 the children were put to bed until the following morning when the routine described would begin.

Whilst the children were at the Kids Club, the witness would play tennis with his wife, go for walks, read and go jogging.

Yesterday, after their daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to their bedroom "and were placed in their respective beds and he stresses they were placed together [i.e. in the same bedroom], at about 19.30."
The witness and his wife, between this time and 20.30 stayed in the apartment relaxing and drinking a glass of wine. After 20.30, the witness and his wife, after looking at the children, went to the Tapas Bar, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour and as the restaurant was near, the witness or his wife, would check whether the children were all right. In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left, and bumped into a person he had played tennis with and who had a child's push chair, he was also British, he had a short conversation with him, "returning after that to the restaurant." At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building. He entered the bedroom, he observed the twins and he did not even notice whether Madeleine was there"

[Notes on the three crucial words in this last sentence: "nem sequer reparou"

- "nem sequer" means "not even";

- Verb "reparar" (in this context):  to notice, to observe, to see, to take notice of, to pay attention to, to mind, to look out]

as everything was calm, the shutters were closed and the door to the bedroom was ajar as usual. "After that Matt returned to the restaurant."

At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key and saw immediately that the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open.

The side door leading to the living room was closed, which as previously stated, was never left locked. Faced with this troubling situation, Kate checked that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. After checking the apartment thoroughly, his wife, quite shocked and upset, went to the restaurant, alerting the witness and the others about the disappearance. Immediately the group rapidly went to the club, "searched all the accommodations/lodgings,  swimming pool, tennis courts, etc. and the apartment, with the help of staff "at the same time that they contacted the authorities who would come to put in an appearance."

It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual

[Notes on the three crucial words in this last sentence: "visualizou pela rectaguarda"

- Verb "visualizar": to visualise (also used in the sense of 'to see')

- "pela" is the contraction or "por" + "a": 'by + the' or 'from + the'

- "rectguarda" (more correctly spelled as "retaguarda"): rear, back, tail, end; (military: rearguard);]  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation.

With regard to Madeleine, he describes her as being of Caucasian race, with quite white skin, four years old (12-05-2003), almost 90 cm in height. She has a slim build

dark blond hair which is straight and shoulder length. Her left eye is blue and green and her right eye is green with a brown mark in the pupil. She has a small brown birthmark ,on the knee of her left leg

he does not remember any others. She did not have any scars. At the time of her disappearance she was wearing pyjamas, the trousers were white with a floral pattern, and the short-sleeved top was predominantly pink and there was a blue and grey figure of a donkey on the front, with the inscription "Eeyore".


As regards personality, the child was extrovert, very active, talkative, alert with an easy relationship with other children. He also says that she would never go with a stranger.

He has no suspects to point out, he cannot find any motive for such an act, as neither he nor his wife has any enemies.

He adds that his daughter is not suffering from any illness or take any medication.

When asked, he says that he authorises a reading of the recorded data of his mobile phone no. 00***7869***88.

Apart from the Kid Club and the apartment they only went to the beach with Madeleine and the other children once and for a short time as the weather conditions were unstable. At the beach they just ate an ice cream and then returned to the apartment. In addition to what he has described, on the Wednesday or Thursday, Madeleine and the other children went sailing along the beach, five minutes on foot away from the Club for an hour, organised by the resort, an activity that has an available chart. The supervision and organisation of this activity is the responsibility of the Club, which is why neither the witness nor his wife were present.

He never saw any strange behaviour during these. days nor anything that had led him to such a conclusion."

When he was shown a list of the Club's guests he says he only recognises the names of the members of the group.

He never detected that any object had disappeared.

He has no other elements to bring to the process, desiring the appropriate criminal procedure and (the person) caught for the act he was a victim of.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 08:11:PM
Gerald McCanns witness statement...


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He is part of this case in the form of a participant and an offended party, as the father of the minor MADELEINE. Being a British national who does not know the Portuguese language, oral or written, the interpreter Alice Dias Homem de Gouveia Avakoff is therefore present.

----- That he confirms the truth of the statements made previously on 4 May 2007 he being available here to provide any further clarifications.

----- Asked, he clarifies that, with regard to the personal photos already delivered by him to the authorities after the disappearance of his daughter MADELEINE, he has no others in his power [possession]. He adds that it is his wife KATE who usually takes pictures, he does not recall if on this holiday any were taken at night.

------ As he was asked he relates that, in January 2003 he went to Lanzarote in Spain with Fp and DP where they spent a week's holiday not having any children at that time, although KATE was 6 months pregnant with MADELEINE, through IVF. Still in 2003, September, he went to Umbria, Italy, with KATE, MATHEW and RACHEL, and RUSSELL and JANE for a week's holiday where they attended FIONA and DAVID's wedding. The deponent clarifies that the trip to Lanzarote was organised by himself as he had been there the previous year with KATE and they had enjoyed it very much, whereas the trip to Italy was arranged by FIONA and DAVID given that it was for their wedding.

----- Relating to the events in Portugal, as already stated in his previous statements, he arrived at Faro airport on 28 April 2007 at 12h30 having travelled immediately to OCEAN CLUB in an airport mini-bus where he arrived at 14h20/14h30.

----- That he was taken to the OCEAN CLUB reception where, doing the check-in, he furnished his documents, those of KATE and of his three children. He was then given the key to apartment A5, the choice of that apartment having been made at random by OCEAN CLUB management, given that, as he understood it, not even DP had been given a choice although he had dealt directly with the reservations.

----- He adds that the only stipulation by the group was that the apartments had to be close to one another because, contrary to the tour brochure, the resort did not provide a "baby listening" service, that is, a service in which a group of employees would ?listen? to hear if children were asleep in their apartments while the parents were away. He doesn't know exactly how it works in practice, he never having used it, but he knows that other MARK WARNER resorts use this form of checking, some of his group members having had access to it on previous holidays, though he does not know exactly who. He relates that, for this reason DP decided to use the listening devices (personal intercoms) to monitor his children, though he had not used them on other holidays that they had spent together.

----- That, on the first day, given that they arrived at lunch time, they ate [had eaten] only sandwiches both on the plane and in the bus during the journey from the airport to the OCEAN CLUB. After completing the check-in at the main reception, where they were taken by the mini-bus, that lasted until 15h00, they went to the apartment where they unpacked their bags, that taking until 16h45. Pointing out that after check-in they went with their bags to the apartment by resort mini-bus.

----- Subsequently, at 17h00, the whole group, including children, went to the TAPAS situated at the back of the apartments, next to the pool, to attend a welcoming committee arranged by MARK WARNER where they met with instructors in tennis and sailing and other resort employees, which ended at 18h30, glasses of sangria having been served to them.

----- That that was the first time they walked altogether along the route inside and around the resort. They left by the front door, which he locked with the key, he followed the wall around and turned right, going down the side road to the resort up to the secondary reception where the entered without difficulty as they had an access card that they did not ask for but they had been given during the Check-in.

----- After they passed through the secondary reception they went to the TAPAS restaurant, next to one of the swimming pools, the adults being seated in a covered area outside while the children stayed next to the small pool playing on the [playground] apparatus that was there. That during this time all the adults stood and went to watch the children near where they were. The deponent and his wife alternated in that vigil.

----- The reception committee over, the nine adults and eight children went on foot to the MILLENIUM restaurant. They went back to the secondary reception, turned left and, at the end of the road, turned right up to the main street that led to the restaurant. Because it was a long way, at some time the deponent and his wife picked up and carried the twins in their arms, but not MADELEINE who was always on foot.

----- They arrived at the destination between 18h50 and 19h00 having set themselves up at a large table where they all ate dinner, including the children who were seated between the adults, never leaving the place except for one of the twins who went to the bathroom with the deponent. About an hour later they finished dinner returning, again on foot by the same route, though going wrong in one of the streets where they should have turned left, ending up only turning at the next street. He adds that, as they were all very tired they went directly to the apartment arriving at 20h10/20h15, the route back having been slightly faster given that the twins were carried all the way.

----- In the apartment they bathed the children and gave them a glass of milk putting them down at exactly 20h45, remembering that time because it was exactly one hour later than their usual bedtime. After putting down the children the deponent and his wife took a bath then settled down in the lounge to watch television. He points out that at the moment they arrived at the residence DP invited them to go for a glass of wine after putting down the children but they turned down the offer as they were extremely tired. He thinks that nobody left their apartments on the first night. Asked, he said that in England, when not on holiday, he and his wife would go to bed at 22h30/23h00, the twins at 19h00 and MADELEINE at 19H30.

----- The following day (Sunday) the children woke up at 08h00, he and his wife having woken up at 07h30. They dressed and about 08h40 left the apartment going to the MILLENIUM restaurant, once more on foot and by the same route as the previous night, but without the mistake referred to previously, arriving there at 08h45/09h00. The group did not all arrive at the same time, rather in a phased manner, because they were not all seated at the same table.

----- He thinks that MO and wife RMO did not take breakfast due to the former having spent a bad night with vomiting and diarrhoea. At breakfast the children sat at the same table among the adults, it finished at 09h25.

----- The deponent, his wife and three children went to the OCEAN CLUB by the same route where they arrived at 09h40, the deponent having entered the apartment by the main door, which was locked, collecting a bag with clothing and creams for the children [then] going inside the resort area. The twins stayed at the creche next to the TAPAS, which was for children of two years of age, and then he and KATE took MADELEINE to the other creche for older children situated on the 1st floor at the main reception of the resort, arriving there at 09h50. Besides MADELEINE, only E***, daughter of JANE and RUSSELL went to the same creche. The remaining children being very young stayed at the creche next to the TAPAS.

----- Again she went on foot, leaving the secondary reception she turned right, went down the street passing the supermarket, turning left passing the main reception. After putting the children in their creches they went to the supermarket where they bought [things] for lunch and breakfast.

----- At 12H30, the deponent and KATE first went to pick up MADELEINE and then the twins, going to the apartment. On this day, Sunday, they lunched on the veranda of DP's apartment with the whole group, including children, except for MATHEW, who was ill and at that moment was sleeping on the veranda of his apartment, that was below and to the left in relation to where they were eating lunch.

----- They took the children to the play area next to the pool, where the playground apparatus is, at 14H15, having stayed there until about 14H20. After that time they left the twins in the creche at TAPAS, and either he or KATE, he doesn't know who, took MADELEINE to the creche above the main reception following the route previously described. He clarifies that the drop-off and collection times were recorded at each creche along with the contact number and location of the respective parents.

----- At 17h00 the OCEAN CLUB nursery care workers conducted MADELEINE and the other children in creche on the 1st floor of the main reception to [the area] next to the TAPAS, under awnings, where they [the children] had dinner under the supervision of the employees and, at times, with their parents. The dinner ended at 17h30 the time at which the employee supervision ended and the parents took over watching the children in the play area until 18h30. Following this they returned to the apartment, the deponent opened the main door with his key and, then, the rear door through which KATE and the children entered.

----- The hygiene done, the children were put to bed about 19h30, it being that the deponent and KATE left for dinner at the TAPAS at 20h30. Between 19h30 and 20h30 they took a bath and drank wine, Portuguese or New Zealand, and a beer.

----- That they left the house by the main door, that he was sure he locked, it being that the rear door was also closed and locked. They were the first to arrive at the TAPAS where everyone showed up except only for MATHEW, who was still ill. Though his wife RACHEL showed up for dinner. Except for the situation described above, that occurred during lunch, he did not see MATHEW during the whole of Sunday.

----- Dinner ended at 23h00, during which every half-hour the deponent or KATE went, alternately, to the apartment to confirm that all was well with the children. On that day only the deponent and his wife entered the apartment. He is sure that they always entered through the front door, not knowing [how] to show [demonstrate] that they locked it with a key. Usually they entered the apartment, in which one of the lounge lights was lit, going to the children's bedroom door that was partially open [ajar] and limited themselves to peep inside, trying to hear if the children were crying. The outside blinds were closed with only two or three slats open, the window was closed though now he he is not totally sure if it was locked, and the curtains drawn closed. Ten minutes after dinner ended they had made their way to the apartment, going to sleep soon after.

----- In the following days they always took breakfast at home, shopping the day before, generally maintaining the daily routine described above. When the children were at creche they had tennis classes, KATE at 09h15, he an hour later, from Monday to Thursday.

----- From memory, on Tuesday, 1 May 2007, being shown by RUSSELL, he went to pick up MADELEINE at creche using a short-cut that began at the car park opposite the secondary reception and went between the buildings, which he used to fetch and carry his daughter.

----- Pertaining to the routine, on Tuesday there was a slight change given that after lunch, at 13h30, he and KATE decided to take the three children to Paris da Luz, having gone on foot, taking only the twins in baby carriages. They all left by the main door due to the carriages, went around to the right, down the street of the supermarket and went to the beach along a road directly ahead.

----- They were at the beach for about 20 minutes, the deponent and MADELEINE having paddled in the water. During this time the weather changed with a cloudy sky and cold, they went to an esplanade of a cafe next to the beach, on the left, where they bought five ice-creams and two drinks. Asked, he said that at that place there was an individual playing Latin music on a guitar to whom he intended to give some coins, but having none at the time, he didn't. That the individual had a neglected and careless appearance, unshaven and somewhat shabby [raggedy]. He was Caucasian, 175cm tall, thin, 70 to 75kg in weight, dark, short hair, almost shaven-headed with grey sides, and not wearing glasses. Wearing a light brown-coloured 'kispo' [coat?], with a hood at the back, and dark cotton trousers, not noticing the footwear. He said that he never behaved strangely, nor approached or looked at the children in an ostensible [deliberate/menacing] manner. On returning they left the children at their creches, as usual, the parents having gone to play tennis or went jogging.

----- The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left [withdrew herself] without any explanation.

----- On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that DP also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day he and KATE had already left the rear door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their colleagues to check on the children. He clarifies that the main door was always closed but not necessarily locked with the key. He does not know if the window next to the front door, and that gave access to the children's bedroom, was locked, given that he assumed that the outside blinds could not be opened from the outside. Still on this night, KATE slept in the children's bedroom, in the bed next to the window, because he was snoring.

----- He cannot say exactly, but he thinks that on Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise.

----- Returning to Thursday, after breakfast, about 09h00, KATE and the children left by the rear door, he having left by the front door, which he locked with the key, having also closed and locked the rear door from the inside.

----- They made their way on foot by the usual route to the creche next to the TAPAS where they left the twins, and, while KATE stayed to play tennis he took MADELEINE to her creche, through the short-cut, where they arrived at 09h15, and , since it was obligatory, he signed the child's attendance register. On returning, not by the short-cut, he went to the supermarket where he bought milk, he presumes, making his way to his apartment, entering by the front door, that was locked by key, when it was 09H40/09H45.

----- He remained at home for about 15 minutes, dressing in tennis clothes, left by the front door, that he did not lock, and made his way to the tennis courts by the usual route, they being next to the TAPAS. He played tennis for an hour with the instructor and other students among whom was an individual he had met during the holiday called "JEZ", and with whom he had established a friendship albeit as a simple acquaintance. "JEZ" has two small children whose exact age he does not know. As to his wife, he had seen her next to the pool but had never spoken with her.

----- The tennis class finished at llH15, he stayed in the pool area talking with his wife and other persons, whom he does not remember. At 12H00, he combined with KATE, as he recalls it, that she would make lunch and he would collect MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home. Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut

----- At 12h30 they started lunch, the meal having lasted an hour until 13h30. After that time they made their way to the resort play area, the deponent left by the front door and the rest of the family by the rear door that, once again, he shut and locked from the inside. As to the front door, he does not know exactly if he locked it.

----- That they stayed in the play area for approximately an hour until 14H30/14H35. After that they left the twins next to the creche at the TAPAS, they signed the register and the three (deponent, KATE and MADELEINE) made their way to the creche at the main reception, where they arrived at 14H50 and delivered MADELEINE, not being able to say precisely who signed the register.

----- The deponent and KATE returned to the OCEAN CLUB by the short-cut and at the secondary reception they asked the lady employee if there was a vacant tennis court they could reserve. They were told there was a vacancy between 14H30 to 15H30. As it was already 15h00, they began to play immediately. At 15H30, the tennis instructor arrived, who instructed each of them until 16H30.

----- The stayed in that place, talking, until 16H45 at which time the twins went to the meal area. At 17h00, as usual, MADELEINE arrived accompanied by the teachers and the other children. After her arrival, MADELEINE ate, [the meal] having ended at 17H30.

------ After 17H30 they went to the apartment, the deponent having entered by the main door, which he did not lock while he was inside the residence. KATE and the children entered by the rear door, after this had been opened from the inside by the deponent.

------ That they bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played.

------ During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30, the time at which he saw DP next to the tennis court. DAVID went to visit KATE and the children and returned close to 19H00, trying to convince the deponent to continue to play tennis, to which [entreaty] he did not accede as he had already been plying for about an hour and had to go back to to his wife. Nevertheless, RUSSELL, DAVID and MATHEW stayed to play.

----- At 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding KATE and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE'S bed to read a story. At 19H30, the twins were already in their respective cots and MADELEINE in the bed next to the bedroom door. He does not know if they were asleep but from the silence he presumed that they were. As it was still early he took a bath, he thinks that KATE had already had one, they talked a little and drank wine or beer.

----- At 20H35, they left the apartment in the direction of the TAPAS. Before they left and because the children's bedroom door was ajar as always, he opened it a little more, listening from the outside and, as there was complete silence he did not enter, returning the door to its previous position, with a space of about 10cm.

----- He is certain that, before leaving home the children's bedroom was totally dark, with the window closed, but he does not know it was locked, the external blinds closed but with some slats open, and the curtains also drawn closed. Asked, he relates that during the night the artificial light coming in from the outside is very weak, because, without a light being on in the lounge or the kitchen, the visibility inside the bedroom is much reduced. Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door.

----- They took the usual route to the TAPAS, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made since Monday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He relates that they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door of his apartment through which they left and entered and which gave access to the lounge.

----- Before that, among the other people whom he does not recall, there was at one of the small tables the CARPENTER couple, who he also met playing tennis and with whom he spoke until other group members began to arrive. He does not recall the order of arrival but has the idea that MATHEW and RACHEL had been the first to arrive after him. As time passed other group members were arriving until all nine adults [were there]. At 21H00, MATHEW stood up from the table saying that he would go to see the children. But he did not say that he would go to see the children of the deponent, only after the disappearance of MADELEINE he [MO] having told him [GM] that at 21h00 the external blinds of the children's bedroom window were shut. At 21H05 MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go to check how his children were.

----- He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge, he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, [then] going to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the blinds, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the lounge.

----- He adds that he never entered any other part of the residence [his bedroom or the kitchen] where he was for only two or three minutes, leaving yet again through the rear door that he closed but did not lock. He clarifies that he returned without seeing the children of any other family because he had not been asked to by them.

----- After going through the side gate, and while on his way to the secondary reception entrance, less than 10 metres from the gate, he saw JEZ coming up the street on the opposite pavement bring with him a baby carriage with his youngest child. He crossed the road in JEZ's direction who would come up on the right-hand side [when viewed] from the ascending direction, both having chatted for 3 to 4 minutes, about tennis, holidays and children. While he maintained the conversation with JEZ he saw no-one from the group, nor detected any suspicious individual or vehicle. Because he had been specifically asked, he relates that during this period of time he did not see with certainty JANE pass that location, although it is clear that he was speaking when in front of JEZ, his back to the other pathway on which his apartment is situated. He relates also that JEZ never said to him that he had seen any person given that he was in front.

----- Following on, he returned to the TAPAS between 21h10 and 21h15 the dinner having gone as normal. As the movement of people at the table was frequent he does not know if, when he returned, anyone else was absent, namely JANE. At 21h30 he drew KATE'S attention to the fact that it was time for her to go to see the children, MATHEW having immediately volunteered to substitute given that she was talking. Three to four minutes later MATHEW returned saying only "it is all calm", he having entered by the rear door, given that he did not have the key and it was usual for them to enter in that way.

----- After MATHEW arrived and before KATE left, he does not recall if anyone else was absent, although it was very probable that such had happened. He thinks that, on that night none of the adults nor children were ill. Asked, he relates that the daughter of RUSSELL and of FIONA would have been ill on Tuesday.

----- Half and hour later without anything to signal, it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house.

----- The deponent ran to the apartment accompanied by the rest of the group who, at the time, were seated at the table. When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.

----- Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside. They continued with searches outside around the various apartment blocks, the deponent having asked MATHEW who went to the secondary reception [where] the event was communicated to the local police, since he had no doubt that his daughter had been kidnapped [abducted]. He refutes, peremptorily, the notion [idea/hypothesis] that MADELEINE could have left the apartment by her own means.

----- The deponent had had the wrong idea that MATHEW had seen the bedroom external blinds closed when he was there at 21H30, the reason for that was that he thought the disappearance would have been happened between 21h30 and 22h00, it being that, actually, he is [?] convinced that the abduction occurred in the period understood to be between his visit at 21h05 and MATHEW'S visit at 21H30. Only about 01h00 on 4 May 2007 did he learn through RUSSELL that his companion, JANE, at 21h10, could have seen an individual crossing the top of the road with a child in his arms, that may or may not have been his daughter MADELEINE. Asked, he relates that he does not recall to have described exactly the type of pyjamas (colour, designs, etc.) that MADELEINE had worn at the time she disappeared. The photo of his daughter MADELEINE, after having printed several in the reception of the hotel, was delivered to the police (PJ) who were at the location, as well as to other persons who were there.

----- Asked, he stated that besides her own apartment MADELEINE only went to the apartment of DP and FP, since it was common that they frequented each others' apartments.

----- That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.

----- He denies peremptorily that anyone of the group could be directly or indirectly involved in the disappearance of his daughter. He presumes that, when his wife alerted him about her disappearance, all the group members were seated at the table. He relates that, also during the dinner, none of the members complained about being ill or manifested any strange behaviour, there was a relaxed atmosphere.

----- During the holidays he did not hire or ask to borrow any motor vehicle, nor had he used a taxi or other form of transport. He clarifies still that the only time MADELEINE accompanied them to the beach was described above, though she had gone to the beach in Luz three more times, one of those to go sailing, but always in the company of creche employees. Two of the visits occurred after the date on which she was there with her parents. That, with respect to those episodes, never was anything said to him by MADELEINE that anything strange had happened.

----- Asked, he relates that on Thursday, 3 May 2007, there was nobody outside the group seated at the table, nor does he know any person with the name IRWIN.

----- With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down. With respect to the other bed next to the window in the children's bedroom he says that it showed no signs that anyone had put their feet on it, namely, dirt or shoe prints.

----- Concerning the half-hourly checking of the children, it had been inspired by the MARK WARNER system called "baby listening", as referred to previously. On the night of the events he ate fish at dinner, and sausages and potatoes as a starter, drinking white wine. Usually, between 20h30 and the end of dinner, they would drink more or less a bottle of wine per person.

----- Asked, he says that KATE never told him anything about her having "a bad feeling [presentiment]" with respect to this trip.

----- He has no suspicion, nor has he any enemies, something that applies equally to his wife, KATE. That, in the course of his profession, he had never committed [made] any error, nor was he guilty of anything, except one time during 2000 in which an unknown individual entered the hospital where he worked, making incoherent threats without justification and calling his name.

Nothing more said ... read, ratified and going to sign
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 08:23:PM
Gerald McCann witness statement.


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 GERALD PATRICK MCCANN ' STATEMENT AS AN ARGUIDO
(from DVD)

September 7/2007 16.05 to 20.50  at Portimao

When asked if he wished to reply to the facts which he is being imputed with, he replied:

He is of British nationality, he cannot speak or write Portuguese; therefore an interpreter is present taken from a list provided by the Consulate: ADSR.
Also present Carlos Pinto de Abreu, attorney.

He is present in his capacity as an arguido, and the rights and duties thereof have been explained to him; he is obliged to comply with TIR (Terms of Identity and Residence).

He confirms all of what was stated previously to the Police on two occasions, and has nothing further to add.

After being made aware of the facts attributable to him, he says that he wishes to make a statement.

When asked if he had any responsibility or participation in the disappearance of his daughter Madeleine, he peremptorily denies this.

When asked if on the night of May 1, 2007 he went to have dinner at the Tapas with Kate, he says yes. As customary they would come and check on the children every half hour, usually alternating. They arrived at the Tapas around 20:30, and then went to the apartment every half hour, until they arrived back, at around 23:00, plus or minus 10 minutes. Occasionally one of the others in the group made the check, he does not remember if this happened on the 1st. It is not true that Madeleine had been crying that night for an hour and 15 minutes, because she was not alone all that time.

When questioned, he said that on the day they arrived, April 28, they removed two cribs that were in their room, and placed them in Madeleine's room. He is unable to confirm, but it could be possible, that there were 3 cribs, and they asked them to remove one.

It is not true that on a certain day they placed one crib in their room, leaving the other in Madeleine's room.

He did not remember what days were scheduled for cleaning the apartment.

He now states that he also joined the two single beds in his room, which had been separated by a night table. He transformed the two beds into a double bed.
Regarding the windows, he says they were normally closed, he does not know if they were locked *** blinds also closed. Regarding Madeleine's window he says that he made sure the blinds worked so as to darken the room for the children.

--- On the day of arrival, he does not know if the blinds in Madeleine's room were open or closed. He did not open them again, and does not know if somebody else did. When confronted with a testimony that states having seen the blinds on this window open after their arrival, he says that it was not him who opened them. When asked about the window behind one of the sofas in the living room, he says that yes, he remembers the window but does not remember if the blinds were also closed.

--- Regarding this sofa, he remembers it was next to the window. He is not sure, but thinks that this sofa was probably a bit closer as his children threw objects behind it, mainly playing cards. When asked, he does not know if any of the children was behind the sofa or passed behind this sofa.

--- When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn't sleep. He thinks that he hadn't heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.

--- With respect to his wife, he says that on the Wednesday she slept in the children's room in the bed next to the window. He doesn't know why, but thinks it could have been because of his snoring. Also on that day, and after dinner, he returned to the apartment sooner than Kate.

-- Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him if he was going to continue playing. G. said he didn't know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Regarding his previous statement where he states that David returned half an hour later around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court after getting ready for the game.

-- When questioned, he says that Madeleine usually sleeps well at night. During the first months of her life she had some difficulties sleeping due to feeding problems. After moving to their house in Rothley in April 2006, twice a week Madeleine wakened, left her bed and went into their room; this sometimes happened between 23:00 ' 24:00 for no apparent reason, maybe because she was used to sleeping with (*** blank ****).

--- When asked about a chart highlighting the characteristics of the children at the house in Rothley, he says that he does in fact have such an object, where several stars show the nights when Madeleine did not get up, as she was rewarded this way.

--- When questioned if it was therefore safe to leave Madeleine in the apartment if she woke and got up at night, he says that this rarely happened, and then only after her parents were in bed.

--- When questioned about whether the couple's and the childrens' lives were peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins' first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate had changed her work habits for reasons related to depressions. He affirms that his wife never gave him to understand that at some time she had the intention of giving Madeleine into the care of a family member.

When questioned, he says that he works at the Emergency Room of the hospital where he works every 15 days, however he is not usually called out at night, and if this happens then it is once for 4 days prevention. Kate's specialty is general medicine, and works two days a week. After the birth of the twins, Kate did not work for a year, on maternity leave, and currently works part-time as above.

--- When questioned, he states that none of his children takes any kind of medication regularly in England.

--- When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever. He did not give any of these medicines or any others to the children while on holiday in Portugal.

---- When asked about the time he went to check the children on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, he states remembering that he did it, according to his watch, around 21:04. He remembers that once inside the apartment he thought strange only the fact of the door to the children's room being slightly more open than how the defendant had left it when he and Kate left for dinner. However, he puts the hypothesis of [proposes; suggests] it having been Madeleine opening that door after having woken and having got up, possibly to go to her parents' room. On this occasion the three children were lying in their beds and asleep, he is sure of that. Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head, not knowing if they were placed in the position in which one can see them in the photograph attached to the files.

--- The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate, but Matt offered to go as he was going to check on his own daughter. When Matt returned to the restaurant G. asked him if all was well; Matt replied that all was quiet. G. is not absolutely sure, but he is under the impression that he asked Matt if he entered their apartment, to which Matt replied yes.

--- The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up.

--- He does not remember if he had taken his mobile phone to the restaurant. He is under the impression that he did not take anything with him, except maybe his wallet. He was wearing tennis shoes (trainers), blue jeans and a light brown polar top. He does not remember what Kate was wearing that night. The arguido did not take a camera and does not remember if Kate did. He does not remember if anybody in the group took photographs that night.

--- He remembers that after it was known that Madeleine had disappeared he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere.

--- He remembers that at one time the lady who lived in the apartment above theirs, went onto her veranda and asked what was going on. He does not remember specifically who replied to this lady, but he remembers that somebody spoke to her, assuming it was himself who did so.

When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the blinds and window in the room.

--- When questioned, he says that on that night he made several phone calls, including calls to two sisters, a couple of Kate's uncles, his brother or certainly sent him a message, father P. S. who baptized Madeleine and married G. and K. When questioned he says he did not get in touch with any media and does not know if anyone did. In the morning his family did contact the press. G. spoke of contacting the press, however he never did so.

--- When questioned he says that he did not request a priest, but to Kate to seek spiritual help.

--- Regarding the disclosure of Madeleine's photograph, he says that he gave the authorities a photograph from a digital camera, and he thinks it was Russell who printed it at the main 24-hour reception of the complex. He made the delivery thereof, or of these pictures on A4 paper to the Police, and he is sure he never delivered any of these photographs to GNR.

--- Around 19:00 the interview was stopped for a rest period, to be recommenced at around 19:40.

--- When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which is now a normal developmental difficulty. At this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping.

--- When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

 While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

--- When asked if he had life insurance, he says that he does, and so does Kate. The children do not have any life insurance, nor are their parents, Gerry and Kate the beneficiaries of any insurance regarding the children.

--- When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine.

--- When asked if in fact they went to the apartment every half hour, he says it is true, and that this was never created to justify absences during dinner.

--- When asked what the expression 'we let her down' means, he says that it has to do with the fact that they were not present when Madeleine was abducted. It was Kate who first used this expression.

During this interview several films of a forensic nature showing sniffer dogs were shown where their signalling can be seen regarding indication of cadaver odour and traces of blood also human, and only of a human nature, as well as the comments made by the expert in charge of the procedure.

-- After viewing the films and after the signalling of cadaver odour in their room next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa against the window in the living room, he says that he has no comments, neither has he any explanation for this fact.

--- Also, the dog that detects human blood signalled human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, he says that he cannot explain this fact.

-- Regarding the cadaver odour in the car that was rented at the end of May, (xx)-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.

--- Regarding the presence of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has not explanation for this fact.

-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.

--- When asked if on any occasion Madeleine was injured, he says that he has no comments.

-- When questioned, he says he is the usual driver of the car. In addition to G. the car could also be driven by his wife Kate, sister in law Sandy and a cousin of Kate's by the name Michael.

-- When asked if he has anything to add he says that he has not seen any proof that his daughter Madeleine is dead, and therefore he will continue to search for her in the hopes she is alive. He knows nothing more than what has been said.

-- The lawyer for the defence says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn't know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

-- During this interview the arguido was informed of his duty to respect the secrecy of justice as well as the consequences of not complying with same, stipulated in current law.

--- At around 22:50 the present interview was ended.

--- He says nothing further. After reading the document and finding it to be satisfactory, he confirms and signs it.
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Policia Judiciaria


Terms of Joining

On this date, due to being considered of interest to the investigation, joined to the files are two cover sheets of a children’s book, with handwritten notes on the inside covers, which were provided to this police force on the night of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by one of those who feature in the case files and a member of the McCann couple group of friends, named Russell O’Brien.

The present terms of joining was drawn up and will be signed.

Portimão, 9th September 2007.

Signed

Inspector Ricardo Paiva
TO HELP KEEP THIS SITE ON LINE PLEASE CONSIDER
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 08:34:PM
Sergey Malinka witness statement..

 
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 SERGEY MALINKA
Processo, Volume VI, pages 1453-58 (6 pages)

WITNESSES STATEMENT

Date: 2007/05/16 Time: 22:30 Location: DIC Portim'
Officer: John Carlos and Luis Pereira, Inspectors

There is no relationship as envisaged in Art.134, paragraph l of the CPP.
Moves to give evidence.

On the matter of the file he said:

--- He comes to the file as a witness.

--- Although of Russian nationality he fully understands the Portuguese language in its oral and written forms. He has been in Portugal for nearly seven years.

--- He lives with his parents. He has a Portuguese girlfriend.

--- Asked, he said he knows ROBERT MURAT since the summer of last year, he thinks. He came to know him through his neighbour R** A*****, who introduced the witness to ROBERT, claiming that he was a good designer of pages and websites. When speaking with ROBERT, he [RM] explained the type of page that he wanted, and the witness performed the work. It was a page of real estate for sale on the Internet, without resorting to a property firm, whose name was www.romigen.com. After completing the draft he returned to him the copyright, as well as the username and password of the administrator. He recalls that the username was a 1 and the password 123, which were altered by ROBERT. After the delivery of the work, he had three weeks to make alterations, as a page of this size needs few changes after entry onto the net. He knows that this enterprise (Romigen) belonged to ROBERT and to a woman of the name MICHAELA, who hardly interfered, but was always present at meetings.

--- Other than this web site, he did not carry out any other work for ROBERT or for MICHAELA..

--- The meetings to which he refers were carried out in the bedroom in Robert's home at Casa Liliana and in the "Baptista" supermarket, situated in Praia da Luz.

--- He confirms that four years ago, he was at the home of ROBERT at the request of his mother, JANE MURAT (sic), to format her computer, so that the operating system would work faster, and to install an anti-virus. He did not know ROBERT at that time, nor did he know that JANE (sic) was his mother. That this contact was established by the mother through the firm where the witness worked called "125 computers", situated on the EN 125, Mexilhoeira Grande. As his employer failed to pay his salary, he left the firm around three years ago.

--- He has now formed a company called "Sergey Malinka", which is not yet on the Internet, for monetary reasons, since its introduction has high costs.

--- He had solely professional contacts with ROBERT, although RM had invited him to form a joint business, which was refused by the witness.

--- The first contact with ROBERT, as already said, was in last summer, to create the web page, and this occurred near the Church of the Light [the church in PdL], where there was only ROBERT and the witness, he believes at l0H00/11H00. He now alleges that RUI was not present personally, he only gave Robert's phone number to SM. The creation of the Internet page took about three weeks to a month. ROBERT paid him '3000 in total, in two equal installments. The first part of the payment was at the beginning of the work and the second when completed.

--- The second time they met was two or three days later, not knowing where this occurred but thinks it was in the "Baptista" supermarket. He does not have an indication of the time. This second meeting was to show him the page, although not complete, he believes on ROBERT's laptop.

--- Contacts for the meetings were made by mobile phone.

--- The other meetings, he does not know how many, but he claims there had been five or six times, occurred in a space of two or three days, where they gave information to the witness to carry out work on the page, or make changes. These meetings were conducted at his house, in the room opposite the gates, where he had the portable [computer], in the kitchen and in the "Baptista'. He does not know the specific days, but they were between 10H00 and 12H00 and in the afternoon between 18H00 and 21H00. This will have taken place in the summer of the past year. In some of those meetings MICHAELA was present.

--- After completing the page, he knows that ROBERT went to the UK. During the work, he had some problems with ROBERT, of a professional nature, because he demanded changes, and sometimes the witness forgot to perform them.

--- The last time they met was at the request of ROBERT, who called the witness to perform other work and improve the page. The day after the telephone contact he met with him together with MICHAELA. This meeting took place on 30 April 2007, so the contact call occurred on 29th. It was held in the "Baptista" supermarket, about 10H00. It was agreed that the witness would try the page, following indication from ROBERT, the indications being given by email. The witness' email: [e-mail address deleted]. The last telephone contact he had with ROBERT, he believes, was on May 11, when the witness was contacted, he thinks, at 16:00. This contact was to draw the attention of the witness, because the page opened incorrectly. He recalls trying to call ROBERT on 14th, however he [RM] had the appliance disconnected.

--- He describes his days as follows: he wakes at 09H00/10H00, has breakfast and leaves to go to deal with professional matters - visits to customers who have contracts and other clients who sought his services. He does not know the localities, or corresponding times. Usually no lunch, returning home at 18H00/19H00, where he consults his email and calendar. Rarely leaves at night, and when he does, he is accompanied by his girlfriend to go to the cinema or a restaurant. He usually schedules his services the day before he executes them. To travel between services he uses his car "Audi A4, registration 10-xx-xx'.

--- He states that he has all the appointments, with the data/hour and client's name booked [recorded] in his MDA and home computer.

--- Regarding the day 03 May he said that he did not meet, nor spoke with Robert. On this day he followed the routine described above.

--- As for the computers he had at home he said that one of them is his property, without brand, and the other two belong to customers, including a customer from Burgau, but he does not know the name, and another from the firm 'Avenue properties", with offices in Lagos and Praia da Luz. In his car he also had a laptop computer which he bought today in the "People's Radio" brand "Accer", for the sum of '599.

--- Also in Burgau he has a client by the name of "SALLY", a female, who is an aunt or cousin of ROBERT. She has a home called 'Salsalito' near the International School of Burgau. This visit occurred about a week ago, day 08 or 09.

--- With specific reference to the 03 May 2007, the witness confirms to have woken up at his parents' home, between 9 and 10am, having followed his normal professional activity, which is the service and repair of computers. He does not recall which customers were visited, since anything that occurs daily is registered in his MDA.

--- Also he does not recollect having lunch that day. He knows he got home by 18H00. He dined with the family and stayed in his room for the rest of the night, using the computer for games, Messenger, internet and may have carried out some repairs to the equipment of a client.

--- The next day, he learnt about the disappearance of a girl, through an image put in the shop window of a shop near to his house, having asked a member of staff what had happened, who also could not explain to him. He had a day without changes, that is, he did all tasks he had planned to perform.

--- He affirms not to have had any involvement in the efforts that were made by almost all local residents, in the search for the missing girl, named MADELEINE. This was due only to lack of time, since he had much work and could not fail in the commitments to customers.

--- With regard to the telephone contact he received on 03 May 07, at 23:30, made by ROBERT, he affirms that he does not recall having received such a call, but if this actually happened, it will have been to arrange a meeting with the same, for professional reasons.

--- He affirms he is not protecting ROBERT and never to have had the intention to take any kind of responsibility for him, including the activities undertaken for him on the computer.

--- He does not know any thing that can contribute to [finding the] the location of the girl, or for any another kind of explanation of the events under investigation.

--- No other information to provide for the file.

Has nothing further to add. Read, ratifies and will sign
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 08:39:PM
Svetlana Malinka witness statement...

 
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Process, Volume VII, pages 1843-44 (2 pages)

WITNESS STATEMENT

Date: 2007/06/20 Time: 22h00 Location: DIC Portim'
Officer: Carlos Dordonnat - Inspector

Name: Svetlana Malinika

There is no relationship as envisaged in Art.134, paragraph 1 of the CPP.
Moves to give evidence.

In the matter of the file she said:

--- She comes to these in the capacity of a witness.

--- Because the witness does not know the Portuguese language she is going to be assisted in this act by the Russian-speaking interpreter Mrs. Galina Lxxxx in this DIC.

--- The witness has been in Portugal since August 1999, having always resided in Praia da Luz - Lagos.

--- For approximately 5 or 6 years the witness works in the firm Blue Ocean, which undertakes cleaning work in the area of Praia da Luz and specifically in the area of the Ocean Club where the company performs cleaning work in some of the apartments near the apartment where the English minor Madeleine McCann disappeared, namely in an apartment that is in the same block but which is on the top floor, it being that the witness does not know precisely which apartment.

--- She adds that the witness is not always the one who goes there as there are other employees in the firm and the work allocation is done on a rotation basis.

--- The witness adds that the vast majority of people working in the area know that the apartments in the block occupied by the McCann couple are normally occupied given the proximity of the pool, and the occupants are usually foreigners.

--- The witness declares further that she knew of the disappearance of the minor from having heard conversations of her colleagues commenting on the case, it being that only two days after the events she came to understand [learn] the location where the events had occurred.

--- She has nothing to add regarding the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann, except to say that she has lived in the area of Praia da Luz for about eight years and at no time has she ever been aware of abnormal situations given that she characterises the area as being very quiet.

Nothing further was said. Read, ratifies and will sign with the translator who assisted in this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 08:52:PM
RECORD OF PAEDOPHILE MATERIAL

3439 - Confidential report
re: denouncement of
 
Sergei Malinka (Spanish)
---------------
(The second of the three pieces of information from the book given to the PJ by Metodo 3)

Processos Vol XIII
Page 3439

2. RECORD OF PAEDOPHILE MATERIAL

Alison informs us that 4 years ago her boyfriend Cristian was spending two nights at Sergei Malinka's home when, upon going to send an email from one of Sergei's computers and upon joining an attachment he saw paedophile material. When asked for explanations, Sergei told him that it was a client's computer and that he would denounce the fact to the pertinent authorities the following day.

That is what Alison told us.

Alison's phone number: ******

The telephone conversation with Alison is attached:
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 09:00:PM
The Smith sighting of Gerry McCann carrying his dead daughter toward the beach has even more significance when we find that after his wife Kate broke the news that ' Maddie had been taken' , Gerry McCann returned to the beach under the cover of supposedly searching for his missing daughter, no doubt taking the opportunity to conceal her body in a better hiding place - I believe that location to be the garden of the derelict building located across the street from the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 21, 2017, 09:13:PM
The Smith sighting of Gerry McCann carrying his dead daughter toward the beach has even more significance when we find that after his wife Kate broke the news that ' Maddie had been taken' , Gerry McCann returned to the beach under the cover of supposedly searching for his missing daughter, no doubt taking the opportunity to conceal her body in a better hiding place - I believe that location to be the garden of the derelict building located across the street from the church...
I would have thought those places in the locality would all have been searched. They searched Robert Murat's house but nothing found. I have always thought this was a very quick snatch and likely to have been someone with premises nearby. Like the Jill Dando case someone who knew the local area and wouldn't look suspicious frequenting it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 09:14:PM
The Smith sighting of Gerry McCann carrying his dead daughter toward the beach has even more significance when we find that after his wife Kate broke the news that ' Maddie had been taken' , Gerry McCann returned to the beach under the cover of supposedly searching for his missing daughter, no doubt taking the opportunity to conceal her body in a better hiding place - I believe that location to be the garden of the derelict building located across the street from the church...

As far as I know, the grounds of the derelict building have never been searched by the police, despite there being clear evidence that the ground in a corner of the derelict buildings garden had been disturbed, with marker stones placed around the grave...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 09:20:PM
I would have thought those places in the locality would all have been searched. They searched Robert Murat's house but nothing found. I have always thought this was a very quick snatch and likely to have been someone with premises nearby. Like the Jill Dando case someone who knew the local area and wouldn't look suspicious frequenting it.

No,  I can assure you that the disturbed ground had not been dug up in the garden of the derelict building located across the street from the church where the parents sought regular refuge during the early stages of the investigation into the disappearence of their daughter - at least not searched by the time of my visit in 2010. I accept that wasteland along the coast was searched, and other areas of interest, but certainly not the grounds of the derelict building, or the building itself, where I took the photographic image I have dubbed, 'the ghost of Maddie'...

The image appears squashed in a gap between a discarded single mattress in the pink room of the derelict building. When I took the photograph there was certainly no body present in that gap on the floor between the mattress and the wall! I have been taking photographs for some time and finding images not noticed at the time of taking! I believe that these images which generate in such photographs verge on supernatural phenomena! Sometimes things appear where at the time a photograph is taken did not exist, but could be capable of showing that 'the something' in question may have been there on some previous occasion! I feel certain that Maddie's body was taken into that room of the derelict building opposite the church where the parents had sought refuge! I can't explain why the image of a child wearing pink pyjamas metamorphasized in the picture I took in that room in 2010, other than to say that once I uploaded the image to my computer it was rather astonishing to see what I took to be a reassurence, a divine message, that 'YES' Maddie had been laid there in that small gap on some previous occasion three years beforehand...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 21, 2017, 09:35:PM
Was the Sergei you mention the same man Robert Murat telephoned the same evening Maddie disappeared but failed to disclose initially to Police?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 09:44:PM
Was the Sergei you mention the same man Robert Murat telephoned the same evening Maddie disappeared but failed to disclose initially to Police?

Yes...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:04:PM
In my endeavour to try to get to the truth, I trespassed into the grounds of the derelict building, and the building itself, and took photographs from the net curtained pink room window looking back across the road in the direction of the church! I took such photographs to show how close the church was to this building, and that by seeking refuge at the church by the parents how it enabled them to be close to their daughters remains in the early stages of the police investigation!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:11:PM
There was also a car hire shop on the same street, virtually next door to the derelict building...

it would be interesting to know whether the parents hired the hire car from the hire shop situated in the same street as the derelict building and the church!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:21:PM
Inside the derelict building I found an empty 'BAYGON' pesticide container, which may have been used on the body of Maddie to try and preserve her remains, and keep it free from being attacked and eaten by pests and vermin! It is very interesting that Gerry McCann had journals in his apartment which dealt with preserving a body in harsh conditions! It was odd finding the 'BAYGON' container there in that derelict building situated just across the road from the church where the parents sought sanctuary for nights on end...

Even more astonishing...

'Does this 'BAYGON' related advertisisement image remind any of you of anything? (Red herring introduced by Jayne Tanner)...

Man carrying child in opposite direction away from the Smith sighting of McCann carrying Maddie's remains down toward the beach...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2017, 10:48:PM
Yet even more astonishing, from the vantage point of the disturbed ground at the corner of the derelict buildings garden, you can see the church tower with its clock - a perfect location for the parents or a parent to interview the body of their missing and deceased body...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2017, 08:29:AM
Someone had used the metal crow bar to dig a hole in this part of the garden, the length of the bar suggests that the disturbed ground is capable of being a shallow grave...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2017, 08:39:AM
A set of clothes was found concealed inside a plastic carrier bag that had been concealed beneath a set of wooden doors on the floor - blue jeans, a green checked top, and a navy blue kaghoul...

Who did these belong to?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2017, 08:43:AM
It's known that Gerry McCann had worn such a kaghoul whilst in Portugal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 22, 2017, 10:50:AM
It could have been stolen---to implicate him ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 22, 2017, 12:05:PM
It could have been stolen---to implicate him ?
Would guess navy blue kaghouls were a common sight around there at certain times of the year so I cannot see how such clothes particularly point to Gerry McCain. :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2017, 12:44:PM
Nothing was reportedly stolen at the time Maddie vanished off the face of the earth  -  GM wore navy blue kaghoul, blue jeans, but not sure about green coloured checked pullover / jumper / top...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on May 22, 2017, 12:49:PM
Nothing was reportedly stolen at the time Maddie vanished off the face of the earth  -  GM wore navy blue kaghoul, blue jeans, but not sure about green coloured checked pullover / jumper / top...
With respect Mike I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2017, 04:23:PM
I am convinced it was GM who was seen by the Smiths sometime between 9 - 10pm, or later (11pm) carrying Maddies body in th direction of the beach. Smiths could have got the timing wrong...

GM was certainly down near the beach shortly after 10pm (when Kate broke news that maddie had been taken)...

His witness statements are somewhat vague, and he deleted phone records (as did Kate) and he took control of one of David Paynes mobile phones...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2017, 04:25:PM
Then there is his missing holdall..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 22, 2017, 04:29:PM
It was very easy for GM to slip into the derelict building from the church and back again unnoticed in the small hpurs of the mornings during the early stages of the police investigation..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 22, 2017, 06:02:PM
I take it that those clothes were tested,etc at the time. Derelict buildings are usually the first places that the police look into,so would have seen those clothes if they'd been there at the time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2017, 08:23:AM
I take it that those clothes were tested,etc at the time. Derelict buildings are usually the first places that the police look into,so would have seen those clothes if they'd been there at the time.

There is no evidence that the derelict building and it's grounds across the road from the church has ever been searched! If you can find any proof of such I would of course he very interested to know about it! The information I have is that wasteland was searched and the beach areas...

She was taken to that building across the road from the church that's all I know, it's one hell of a coincidence that the parents should seek refuge in the same street across the way, and that Luz car hire was situated in the same street, almost next door to the said derelict building. The cadaver and blood hound dogs were never introduced to the building in question! I feel certain that Maddie's body was present in that building and grounds. For one or other parents were involved, or both, it is the obvious location for where they might conceal their daughters body, or even bury it! The parents have a strong affiliation with the church there, and I think it's because one or other of them know that just across the road from the church was where Maddie's remains were kept, and are quite possibly interned in the area which I have identified in the left corner of the garden of those premises ( as viewed from the road which separates the building in question, and the church which the parents favoured)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 23, 2017, 06:22:PM
There is no evidence that the derelict building and it's grounds across the road from the church has ever been searched! If you can find any proof of such I would of course he very interested to know about it! The information I have is that wasteland was searched and the beach areas...

She was taken to that building across the road from the church that's all I know, it's one hell of a coincidence that the parents should seek refuge in the same street across the way, and that Luz car hire was situated in the same street, almost next door to the said derelict building. The cadaver and blood hound dogs were never introduced to the building in question! I feel certain that Maddie's body was present in that building and grounds. For one or other parents were involved, or both, it is the obvious location for where they might conceal their daughters body, or even bury it! The parents have a strong affiliation with the church there, and I think it's because one or other of them know that just across the road from the church was where Maddie's remains were kept, and are quite possibly interned in the area which I have identified in the left corner of the garden of those premises ( as viewed from the road which separates the building in question, and the church which the parents favoured)...
The problem with this case is there's nothing really to get your teeth into: the Tapas 7 saw Robert Murat hanging around the apartment but he's been ruled out, Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a young child but he's been ruled out, Goncalo Amaral saw three people entering a church with a box but we have no idea who they are..  http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/610346/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-mystery-body-hidden-coffin-police-shock-claim
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 23, 2017, 11:05:PM
The problem with this case is there's nothing really to get your teeth into: the Tapas 7 saw Robert Murat hanging around the apartment but he's been ruled out, Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a young child but he's been ruled out, Goncalo Amaral saw three people entering a church with a box but we have no idea who they are..  http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/610346/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-mystery-body-hidden-coffin-police-shock-claim

As I say, I believe that GM concealed his daughters body in the derelict building on the night of her disappearence. In the following nights he had constant access to those premises after using refuge in the church as a foil to keep out of the way of the media / press. Nobody has examined that building or dug up the area which I have identified as the potential grave of the missing child. There are also huge mounds of vegitation and rubbish stacked up at the rear of the aforementioned premises, which also have not been searched by the cadaver and blood hound dogs! Until somebody sits up and starts to take notice of what I have been saying and goes and does a thorough search of the grounds and the building itself the case is unlikely to get resolved.  I bet GM could'nt believe his luck finding that derelict building so close to the church. My take of Maddies dsappearence was that the Smith sighting was accurate in so far as the bloke they saw carrying Maddiewas GM, but I feel they got the timing of the sighting wrong. My guess is that when GM was seen carrying his daughter down to the beach by the Smith contingent, that GM had hoped to visit the local doctors surgery but found no-one available. In 2010 when I visited the resort, I discovered the local doctors clinic close to where the Smiths saw Gerry McCann, but it was closed most evenings with a notice pinned to the door for people to ring a telephone number in cases of emergency. I therefore think that GM had planned to drop into the surgery, but could not for the aforemented reasons. He therefore proceeded to the local church nearby, and that was when he took the opportunity to conceal Maddies body in the derelict building directly across the road from the church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:28:AM
Latest news, is that police are looking for a woman!

What a load of utter bollocks...

So, this woman took Maddie out via the open window / steel shutter all by herself - oh yeah, of course she did....

What a load of utter bollocks...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:32:AM
Latest news, is that police are looking for a woman!

What a load of utter bollocks...

So, this woman took Maddie out via the open window / steel shutter all by herself - oh yeah, of course she did....

What a load of utter bollocks...

Both parents know the Maddie is dead, you can read it in their body language, and the expressions in their faces! GM is a control freak, he knows how he disposed of Maddie's remains...

I also feel certain (100%) that he used the derelict building directly across the street from the local church and car hire place to conceal his daughters remains...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:38:AM
To date, GM and his co conspirator, (his wife) have not denied using or visiting the derelict building, or its grounds, yet on GM's own blog He has reproduced copies of photographs that I took whilst in Prai de Luz...

The parents feel confident that Maddie's remains will be be found...

That, could be true, but neverthe less, the derelict building and it's grounds remain the focal point of my input into the disappearence of the child...

Everything I have looked at and considered points to Maddie having been taken to 'that' derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 26, 2017, 10:39:AM
Not impossible for there to be a woman involved Mike. Crimes of this sort are mainly targeted at men,but women have been known to " steal " children too. If Madeleine had been aware enough at the time,chances are that she wouldn't have been as scared of a woman's approach as she would have been of a man's.
Women who've lost a child for whatever reason will take another child too,but usually that person may possibly be known for being unstable under those circumstances.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:56:AM
Not impossible for there to be a woman involved Mike. Crimes of this sort are mainly targeted at men,but women have been known to " steal " children too. If Madeleine had been aware enough at the time,chances are that she wouldn't have been as scared of a woman's approach as she would have been of a man's.
Women who've lost a child for whatever reason will take another child too,but usually that person may possibly be known for being unstable under those circumstances.

Hi Lookout...

A woman acting alone, who took Maddie out of the open window /steel shutter, is out of the question!

There is absolutely no evidence that we know of to support such a suggestion - the bedroom window route of escape with child required at least two people, one inside, one outside!  Me, I shall continue to promote the idea that GM carried his daughter down in the direction of the beach, as witnessed by the Smith contingent! I don't like the look of GM, or his mannerisms, and I think he dominates and controls Kate's feelings on the matter - it is in essence a conspiracy involving both parents, that's my impression and the view millions of other people throughout the world are thinking! I accept that there are some people who don't believe the parents had any involvement in their daughters disappearence, but I reject this because the parents refused to answer direct questions asked of them by the Portuguese police! I know they had the legal right to refuse to answer questions but in the circumstances of this case, it was necessary for them to co-operate with the authorities! Why refuse to answer police questioning, in a case that had got international appeal? If you were truly innocent, if you had not got anything whatsoever to do with the disappearence of your own daughter, you would co-operate with the local police to assist their investigation no matter what your legal rights were! The McCanns did not want to assist or to co-operate with the Portuguese investigation into the disappearence of their own daughter! This signals to me culpability on one or other, on their part, or both...

Maddie is dead, there is no evidence whatsoever to remotely believe or hope that she might get still be alive...

10 years have past, the parents know she died in the apartment, both of them know who took their daughters body from apartment 5a, that person was Gerry McCann!..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 11:03:AM
Nobody, in their right mind would refuse to answer questions regarding the disappearence of their daughter to police, if they genuinely believed their own daughter to still be alive! These parents ( both of them) know that Maddie is dead, she died in that apartment in whatever circumstances...

GM carried his daughter away. In the direction of the beach...

Smith contingent recollection was accurate regarding the courier of Maddie's body, but deficient in so far as the time of the sighting!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 11:04:AM
Why don't both parents volunteer to take separate lie detector tests?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 11:06:AM
Why don't both parents volunteer to take separate lie detector tests?

Maybe, they resist such an approach because they both fear that the game will be up once they are put to the test...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 11:10:AM
I personally don't like the look of GM, not only that I don't like his cocky attitude! He thinks that because he has got friends in high places that he is somehow untouchable! Sorry, to me you come across in the media as manipulative, dominant, and a liar! Your wife, seems clearly frightened of you, you can see it in her expressions, every time she appears on TV with him!

Maddie is dead, she died in apartment 5a, on 3rd May 2007!

That is my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 26, 2017, 12:07:PM
Why don't both parents volunteer to take separate lie detector tests?







Mike I believe Kate offered to take a lie-test when in Portugal but was refused by the police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 26, 2017, 12:23:PM
I personally don't like the look of GM, not only that I don't like his cocky attitude! He thinks that because he has got friends in high places that he is somehow untouchable! Sorry, to me you come across in the media as manipulative, dominant, and a liar! Your wife, seems clearly frightened of you, you can see it in her expressions, every time she appears on TV with him!

Maddie is dead, she died in apartment 5a, on 3rd May 2007!

That is my opinion...






Mike,the same can be said of JB ? In the dock----cocky,arrogant and a " cut above ",plus those around him were " scared " and remain to be so if he's released ?

Behaviours/mannerisms don't mean a thing,unless you're talking hardened criminals who are so used to appearing before a judge that their cocky behaviour is second nature to them.

A lot of consultants/doctors/registrars have that air of authority about them,it seems to go with the job and I don't doubt that GM is a brilliant cardiologist.
It's just the way some people are and it's very difficult when you're in a position such as GM to be believed given the many horror stories you hear/read about concerning the NHS.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jane on May 26, 2017, 05:12:PM
I personally don't like the look of GM, not only that I don't like his cocky attitude! He thinks that because he has got friends in high places that he is somehow untouchable! Sorry, to me you come across in the media as manipulative, dominant, and a liar! Your wife, seems clearly frightened of you, you can see it in her expressions, every time she appears on TV with him!

Maddie is dead, she died in apartment 5a, on 3rd May 2007!

That is my opinion...

My opinion is that your opinion is judgemental in the extreme.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 07:12:PM
The furthest Maddie got taken down to the beach was to that derelict building opposite the local church, and GM took her there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 07:29:PM
My opinion is that your opinion is judgemental in the extreme.

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest she could still be alive after 10 years! Any parent would want to co-operate with the police if their child went missing whilst on holiday, irrespective of a person's legal right to remain silent! You would answer every question asked of you! You would do everything in your power to try to get your child back, you would not remain silent, or be evasive!

The nights the parents stayed at the church, was an ideal opportunity to nip across the road into the grounds of the derelict building where their daughters body was originally concealed! That building has never been searched, and neither have the garden at the rear! Even now there will still exist forensic evidence to link one or other parents, or both of them to that building (No. 5)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 26, 2017, 07:35:PM
I personally don't like the look of GM, not only that I don't like his cocky attitude! He thinks that because he has got friends in high places that he is somehow untouchable! Sorry, to me you come across in the media as manipulative, dominant, and a liar! Your wife, seems clearly frightened of you, you can see it in her expressions, every time she appears on TV with him!

Maddie is dead, she died in apartment 5a, on 3rd May 2007!

That is my opinion...
I'm trying to understand how Maddie could have banged her head after falling off the sofa, leaving blood for the McCanns to clean up. Did they have time..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest7363 on May 26, 2017, 07:52:PM
There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest she could still be alive after 10 years! Any parent would want to co-operate with the police if their child went missing whilst on holiday, irrespective of a person's legal right to remain silent! You would answer every question asked of you! You would do everything in your power to try to get your child back, you would not remain silent, or be evasive!

The nights the parents stayed at the church, was an ideal opportunity to nip across the road into the grounds of the derelict building where their daughters body was originally concealed! That building has never been searched, and neither have the garden at the rear! Even now there will still exist forensic evidence to link one or other parents, or both of them to that building (No. 5)...
A bit like Bamber, any son who was innocent would like to answer every question put to him by the police if you had lost your parents and sister, instead of being evasive, "don't know" can't remember "don't remember" "no comment"  "no comment" " I've got to get my words right" "can't say"
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 08:47:PM
A bit like Bamber, any son who was innocent would like to answer every question put to him by the police if you had lost your parents and sister, instead of being evasive, "don't know" can't remember "don't remember" "no comment"  "no comment" " I've got to get my words right" "can't say"

On the contrary, Jeremy Bamber did co-operate with police, he made two witness statements, one on the first day, and another witness statement on the second day of the investigation!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 26, 2017, 08:57:PM
On the contrary, Jeremy Bamber did co-operate with police, he made two witness statements, one on the first day, and another witness statement on the second day of the investigation!
Yes and how he bragged to Colin about how many pages they amounted to, a legacy of his Gresham's days when he felt inferior to boys who had ever written more than him. What I'm sure was meant was the turning of the investigation from Jeremy as a bystander to him falling under suspicion on 8 September 1985, when the impediments to any further progress on the case started.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 09:37:PM
I'm trying to understand how Maddie could have banged her head after falling off the sofa, leaving blood for the McCanns to clean up. Did they have time..

I somehow don't believe David Payne's account about going to apartment 5a to see Kate McCann whilst Gerry was supposedly still playing tennis! I think that part is made up! Payne couldn't have seen the McCanns three children alive during the two or three minutes he says he was there with Kate! I think Maddie was already dead by that stage! Payne made the story up about seeing all three children alive and well, before he returned to the tennis court, after collecting his equipment from his own apartment! I believe that Kate sedated Maddie because of the commotion and fuss created by Maddie during the previous evening, when she and the other two children had been heard crying ! On that occasion it appears that the McCanns had not returned to the apartment to check on their children's safety every 30 minutes or so! I believe Kate over sedated her daughter, and her husband, with the help of the others sought to cover up the death! The 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment was key to the removal of the body from inside the apartment! It is not just a coincidence that neither parent attended at that time, or that Gerry had done the early check (9.05am) and Kate left to make the later check (10pm) to raise the alarm! Two of the tapas group who left the tapas bar at around 9.30pm, each played a role in the child's disappearence! Only one of the two entered apartment 5a via the patio door and carried out a Mickey mouse check without physically seeing Maddie at all! The second chap went to the front of the apartment block, and entered 5a via the unlocked front roadside doorway! He picked up the child's body and left in the direction of the car park at the front of the building! At the top of the road, he turned left and then just before he turned right there was a religious statue and some waste land! Maddie's body was concealed in the shrubbery near to the aforementioned statue! In the mean time, the group member (Matt) returned to the tapas restaurant and told the parents that everything was fine back at the McCann apartment! The truth is, it was a coded message, their way of saying to the parents in a public setting that they had removed the child's body! As time moved on Kate must have been frantic with worry and decided to do her now we'll reported 10pm check! By the time she was setting the bedroom door, and it slammed shut, and the curtains flailed, because the bedroom window was open, the steel shutter raised, and of course the abductor of Maddie's body who had removed the body to the prearranged location near to the statue, had returned back to apartment 5a and met with Kate! She didn't use her mobile phone to raise the alarm, or go to the balcony of the patio door and shout from the top of her voice that her daughter was missing! There was no need to, because at least two people back at the tapas bar already knew that Maddie had died (GM and Matt). These two people knew that any time soon immediately after Kate went to do the 10pm check that Maddie would be reported as missing! She didn't leave her other two children alone when she went back to the tapas bar to raise the alarm, because David Payne remained in apartment 5a! As soon as Kate got back to the tapas bar, she started yelling, 'they've taken her, theyv'e taken her, Maddie is gone'!!

The significance of these comments, 'theyv'e taken her, theyv'e taken her, Maddie is gone', providing a key insight into the mindset of Kate, who knew that during the 9.30pm check, that Matt and David had gone to the McCan apartment to get rid of the body! Kate's comments aforementioned, now being fully understood in the wake of what is now believed to have happened!

Matt and David played a key role in the disappearence of Maddie's body, David carrying the body out of the apartment and hiding it in shrubbery near to the aforementioned statue!

Once the alarm was raised, Gerry McCann Raced off to collect his daughters body from the location where it had been conveniently placed! He picked up his daughters lifeless body and carried it down in the direction of the beach where he crossed paths with the Smith contingent! The street where this occurred was well lit by street lamps! At the end of that street was 'LUZDOC', by the time GM had passed the Smiths carrying Maddie, the LUZDOCs was closed, so he made his way to the local church, with the derelict building directly opposite! He concealed his daughters body in that building!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 09:50:PM
Yes and how he bragged to Colin about how many pages they amounted to, a legacy of his Gresham's days when he felt inferior to boys who had ever written more than him. What I'm sure was meant was the turning of the investigation from Jeremy as a bystander to him falling under suspicion on 8 September 1985, when the impediments to any further progress on the case started.

By the time the case changed in September 1985, Jeremy had already given his account in great detail, in the form of two witness statements, one dated, 7th, the other 8th August 1985! During his interviews he was being asked about planning to kill his family as alluded to by Julie Mugford, there was no direct evidence available by that stage that he might have killed anyone! Otherwise, why did he get bail?

It was after he got bail that Mick Ainsley, with the help of suspicious relatives framed Jeremy Bamber for all five murders, including his sister, when Ainsley knew with 100% certainty that Jeremy could not have shot his sister, not once, not twice, because she was not shot and eventually killed until after the firearm officers entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am...

On the 8th August, Cops made a startling discovery whilst using a metal detector in the kitchen looking for bullet cases...

What they found was a piece of evidence which could have changed the course of the trial, had it not been given back to the family by the cops, after the find of the silencer by David Boutflour on 10th August 1985..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 09:59:PM
Maddie's body was originally deposited close to this statue after the 9.30pm check, and once Kate raised the alarm, GM collected the body and walked briskly down toward the sea front!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 26, 2017, 10:13:PM
I'm still unclear as to how Maddie died. Did she wake up and fall off the sofa, in which case there would be blood for Gerry to clean up before the alarm was raised, a smell of bleach or other trace evidence. I'm not sure any of the other Tapas 7 were involved because husbands tell wives and wives blab and I'm sure it would all have come out by now.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:33:PM
I'm still unclear as to how Maddie died. Did she wake up and fall off the sofa, in which case there would be blood for Gerry to clean up before the alarm was raised, a smell of bleach or other trace evidence. I'm not sure any of the other Tapas 7 were involved because husbands tell wives and wives blab and I'm sure it would all have come out by now.

Nobody saw Maddie return to apartment 5a, alive and well...

David Payne's account about going to see Kate and him seeing all three of their children alive and well, just does not make any sense! Why did Payne feel like he's got to see Kate, to make sure she was ok?

Something happened which Payne, Kate and GM had been privy too....

I believe Payne definitely played some role or other in the disappearence of Maddie's body from Apartment 5a..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:42:PM
After tea, Payne, Matt and Russel went to do some sailing and there was some sort of mishap, almost a tragedy, when one of them nearly drowned! Maybe this incident might be linked to Maddie's demise! It's funny how, Payne comes from the beach via the tennis court, and seeks out Kate, and makes a false account about seeing all three of the McCann children alive and well! I don't believe him! There was obviously something so very wrong involving Maddie by that stage!  Were children of the group involved in the tragedy at the beach? Payne was very vague when explaining to cops about who he came from the beach with after the incident! Was Maddie with them at the beach after tea? Did she drown? Was she poorly? Did she later choke to death on her own vomit once they got her back to apartment 5a?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:48:PM
As I say, the street where the Smiths saw GM carrying his daughter was well lit at the time!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:51:PM
Here is the address of the derelict building where I believe GM concealed Maddie's body :-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 10:56:PM
This derelict building was converted iently located directly across the street from the local church where the MCCanns sought refuge at night! I have an overwhelmingly feeling that Maddie's remains were kept in the aforementioned building, and that either her clothing or parts of her remains were buried there in the rear garden, until much later when the parents the used a hire car that was possibly rented from a car hire shop in the same street, only a stone's throw away from the church and the aforementioned derelict building!

I have marked the general location in the garden of the derelict building where the ground had been disturbed and something buried there in red in the following Google earth image!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 11:04:PM
In the following illustration, I have marked the location of the derelict building, the church and the car hire shop in red, each location joined together in a green line to demonstrate close proximity of these three key sites where the parents are known or believed to have been active!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 26, 2017, 11:05:PM
The longer a death or a disappearance goes unexplained the more likely only one person or a small clique of people know the truth. I'm inclined to believe Maddie was abducted by the man seen loitering around the apartment complex on the night, who could have whisked Maddie quickly away to his home only a hundred yards away and dispose of the body shortly thereafter. I cannot mention his name due to libel laws but everyone knows to whom I'm alluding.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 26, 2017, 11:22:PM
The longer a death or a disappearance goes unexplained the more likely only one person or a small clique of people know the truth. I'm inclined to believe Maddie was abducted by the man seen loitering around the apartment complex on the night, who could have whisked Maddie quickly away to his home only a hundred yards away and dispose of the body shortly thereafter. I cannot mention his name due to libel laws but everyone knows to whom I'm alluding.

My monies on the parents with help from others in the group - their statements don't tally, they are hiding something! You can sense it by observing their body language and facial expressions...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2017, 09:41:AM
I am also worried about the explanations given by David Payne ( Murat, lookalike), Russel O'Brian and Matt Oldfields account involving the sailing accident at the beach that evening and the journey they made back up the hill to their apartments! We hear that David Payne went to see Kate in apartment 5a and he purports to see Maddie still alive at that time, before he left to return to the tennis courts and speak to GM (it doesn't sound right to me)! Where did Russell and Matt go?

Something strange had been going on in my opinion,...

It's possible that Maddie was already dead by this stage, in my opinion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2017, 10:34:AM
I somehow can't imagine Kate taking all three of her children back to apartment 5a all by herself, whilst GM goes to the tennis courts, and Payne, O'Brien and Oldfield frolic with death at the beach!

Somethings not quite right here!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 28, 2017, 07:13:PM
I somehow can't imagine Kate taking all three of her children back to apartment 5a all by herself, whilst GM goes to the tennis courts, and Payne, O'Brien and Oldfield frolic with death at the beach!

Somethings not quite right here!
I always had the impression Kate had care of the children: it was she who wanted them in the first place through IVF and sometimes this does make an individual overcompensate, not wishing her children to become a burden to their partner. I have no evidence of this and I might be being unfair to GM.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2017, 03:01:PM
I always had the impression Kate had care of the children: it was she who wanted them in the first place through IVF and sometimes this does make an individual overcompensate, not wishing her children to become a burden to their partner. I have no evidence of this and I might be being unfair to GM.

There's something just not quite right with David Paynes account from tea onward, he shows too much concern for Kate, and appears to go out of his way, to tell the world that he saw all three of the McCann children, all playing happily inside apartment 5a, before he ran off back to the tennis courts to play a game of tennis with GM and others! Makes me suspect Maddie may have already died by this stage!It's not just that, but apparently on the way to the tapas bar that evening, Payne went and placed his ear at the McCanns childrens bedroom window! Why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2017, 03:06:PM
There's something just not quite right with David Paynes account from tea onward, he shows too much concern for Kate, and appears to go out of his way, to tell the world that he saw all three of the McCann children, all playing happily inside apartment 5a, before he ran off back to the tennis courts to play a game of tennis with GM and others! Makes me suspect Maddie may have already died by this stage!It's not just that, but apparently on the way to the tapas bar that evening, Payne went and placed his ear at the McCanns childrens bedroom window! Why?

A part from the fact that he could be mistaken for Robert Murat, it is also worrying in my mind, that he should be one of the two who volunteered to check on the McCann children at 9.30am, yet didn't return to the tapas bar!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 07, 2017, 03:14:PM
My gut feeling is that David Payne helped the McCanns cover up Maddies death and disappearance! I do not think he was alone in having something to do with it, either - I think the near tragedy with the boat after tea, and the mickey taking of the victim at the supper table had something to do with it as well...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: notsure on June 08, 2017, 01:34:PM
My gut feeling is that David Payne helped the McCanns cover up Maddies death and disappearance! I do not think he was alone in having something to do with it, either - I think the near tragedy with the boat after tea, and the mickey taking of the victim at the supper table had something to do with it as well...

Absolutely no way would they have been able to sit at that table if there daughter was already dead and they knew. No way
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2017, 09:41:PM
Absolutely no way would they have been able to sit at that table if there daughter was already dead and they knew. No way

That's not what the Portuguese police thought!

And, I tend to believe their approach, than the story that somebody took her out of apartment 5a, in between checks by the tapas gang!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 10:49:AM
Last Nights Dream (15th/16th September 2017):-

I was in Portugal somewhere on the street inbetween apartment 5A where Maddie went missing from, and the other apartment block across the street where My wife and I stayed during our own visit there in 2010. The street was dimly lit and I saw a shadowy figure, or figures walking downhill toward the hotel reception entrance. At first I could not tell whether or not there was actually one or two persons because from my vantage point and I have no idea why but I appeared to be concealed either in some bushes or shrubbery, and I remember thinking in my dream that I was there to witness what had taken place! Anyway, the figure or figures never reached the hotel reception before the sighting repeated itself twice more! On the second occasion I realised that it was two adult persons, but I wasn't quite sure whether they were both men, or two women, or a man and a woman! On the third re-run of this part of my dream, it became perfectly clear that the two figures were women one of whom was holding the hand of a little girl who was walking slightly behind the first woman followed by the second woman! In this section of my dream the two women and the girl who by now for some reason I believed to have been Madeiline McCann, continued walking downhill on the footpath on the same side as the aforementioned hotel reception entrance and past the hotel reception entrance going down in the general direction of the supermarket. (I had no idea which part of Apartment 5A the two women and the girl had left the apartment, they had gone past my position in the bushes on the opposite side of the street before I saw them)! Then this section of my dream immediately merged into me somehow being in front of this entourage and observing these two women approaching the supermarket and handing the child over to a man who picked the girl up in his arms and carried her off! In this sequence of my dream, I was shouting at the man to 'stop right there for a moment' and at the same time the two women turned around and they started walking back up the street toward the hotel reception! I shouted after them both, 'Hey, hold on a minute, I want a word with you two', but neither the man they handed the child over too, or the two women in question I had been observing took any notice of what I was telling them to do, or asking them. It was as if I wasn't there, they couldn't see me, or hear me! I can't explain why or how but for some reason I found myself a head of the two women who were going back up the street, as they approached me on the pavement, I put my right arm out with my left hand raised and I said to them both, ' Stop, stop, Hold on a moment, I need to speak to you both', but the women did not see me or hear me, and it was if they passed right through me and I found my self behind them both. I ran back after them but although I was running they both appeared to be getting further and further a head of me, It was as if I was on one of those exercise treadmills and was simply marking time! Then just as this sequence in my dream was coming to an end I noticed something very odd. One of the two women entered the hotel reception entrance whilst the other woman carried on walking up the road. This second woman got right to the top of the street at the junction and turned left out of sight with apartment 5A on her left! At this point my dream became merged with me somehow walking alongside the man carrying off the girl. We were as it were shoulder to shoulder walking down a street, he was carrying the girl whose body was held in such a way that it looked like the child was sleeping! The man was slightly taller than me and he was carrying the child with the childs head on the far side of his body so I never got to see the childs face. We simply were just walking down a street in the general direction of the sea! We never saw anybody else there was only the man carrying the child and myself! At this stage in the proceedings I had no description of either the two aforementioned women, the child, or the man! I know this seems rather strange in view of me spending so much time following, pursuing, and try to talk to these people, but it were as if they were silhoetted versions of women, the child and the man! I found my self knowing that the man carrying the child did not realise that I was there alongside him, and the next sequence in my dream merged with us being down at the waters edge by the sea. There were some tall shrubs and a few small fishermans boats laid on sand, some of these small boats were overturned! There then appeared a second man who had one of these small boats floating on the eddge of the tide and the man carrying the child walked toward him with me in tow! The second man helped the first man carrying the child, into the boat! Then a rather astonishing thing occurred, because as I was preparing to also board this small boat, the second man said to me, 'No, not you, you must go back to the hotel'. When the second man spoke to me in my dream, the first man did not appear to hear him talking to me. I responded, ' hang on a moment', I said, 'Whats going on here'? The second man responded rather angrily, ' go back to the hotel, you will be missed and it will look suspicious'! As I was trying to fathom out what he had said I found myself alone on the sea shore, the boat with the two men and the child were nowhere in sight, and I did not see them sail off, but that smaall boat was no longer on that section of the beach! Then my dream continued, I was hovering above a piece of ground covered with clumps of grass and small shrubs! It was daylight for some reason. It was if I was a bird of prey hovering above the landscape below! I seemed to be looking down at this piece of land for ages not knowing why I was doing so! Then water started to erupt up through the ground like a spring and the whole area became flooded shallowly! Then, without any clue as to why what happened next happened, I was being detained by armed men who fired two darts at and into my body! I was no longer on the sea shore by this stage and cannot explain how I was somewhere else, but I was in some historical street which reminded me in that moment of being somewhere in Malta! In this sequence of my dream, there were a group of about half a dozen men dressed in black walking hesitantly toward me. After the shots struct me I fell to the cobbled ground and was quickly surounded by several of these men, one of whom started talking about me, giving me the impression that I should not have been able to hear what he was saying because I had been shot with tranquilizer darts. He is saying to the others hovering around me, 'that's him, we have got him', he says, 'Thats him off the streets for the rest of his life'! I remember thinking to myself, 'What is this bloke on about, I haven't done anything'! I thought they had made some sort of a mistake and picked on the wrong man, and when I tried asking the man what had I done wrong, he couldn't hear a word I was trying to say! My dream then merged me into an old dungeon type place, where there were two other men being detained like me! I can't describe what either of these men looked like, it felt weird and wonderful that they could speak to me and that I could hear what they were saying, and vice versa, but what they had to tell me filled my heart with dred - These men had been detained indefinately by the Knights Templar, and that I (like them) would spend the rest of my natural life detained in custody at the disposal of the knights to do with us whatever was their choosing! The next thing we are escaping, I don't know how we got out of there but we are running through historic streets being pursued by our captures! I was very frightened of being caught and kept thinking to myself that I did n't want to be hit by any of those tranquilizer darts they had used on me before! I was then hiding, in some old ruins! Every now and then I saw small groups of men who I presumed rightly or wrongly were the knights templar out looking for me, and the other two escapees! Then out of the blue, the streets I was observing became full of people, and I saw a group of four adults being accompanied by a little girl who I immediately recognised as Madeiline McCann! As soon as I saw and recognised her I started to shout and bellow at the top of my voice, 'Its Maddie, its Maddie', I shouted, 'Maddie is still alive'! I then found myself captured by the knights templar and I was back in my dungeon being interrogated about my escape earlier and what I had witnessed involving my sighting of Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 11:06:AM
Last Nights Dream (15th/16th September 2017):-

I was in Portugal somewhere on the street inbetween apartment 5A where Maddie went missing from, and the other apartment block across the street where My wife and I stayed during our own visit there in 2010. The street was dimly lit and I saw a shadowy figure, or figures walking downhill toward the hotel reception entrance. At first I could not tell whether or not there was actually one or two persons because from my vantage point and I have no idea why but I appeared to be concealed either in some bushes or shrubbery, and I remember thinking in my dream that I was there to witness what had taken place! Anyway, the figure or figures never reached the hotel reception before the sighting repeated itself twice more! On the second occasion I realised that it was two adult persons, but I wasn't quite sure whether they were both men, or two women, or a man and a woman! On the third re-run of this part of my dream, it became perfectly clear that the two figures were women one of whom was holding the hand of a little girl who was walking slightly behind the first woman followed by the second woman! In this section of my dream the two women and the girl who by now for some reason I believed to have been Madeiline McCann, continued walking downhill on the footpath on the same side as the aforementioned hotel reception entrance and past the hotel reception entrance going down in the general direction of the supermarket. (I had no idea which part of Apartment 5A the two women and the girl had left the apartment, they had gone past my position in the bushes on the opposite side of the street before I saw them)! Then this section of my dream immediately merged into me somehow being in front of this entourage and observing these two women approaching the supermarket and handing the child over to a man who picked the girl up in his arms and carried her off! In this sequence of my dream, I was shouting at the man to 'stop right there for a moment' and at the same time the two women turned around and they started walking back up the street toward the hotel reception! I shouted after them both, 'Hey, hold on a minute, I want a word with you two', but neither the man they handed the child over too, or the two women in question I had been observing took any notice of what I was telling them to do, or asking them. It was as if I wasn't there, they couldn't see me, or hear me! I can't explain why or how but for some reason I found myself a head of the two women who were going back up the street, as they approached me on the pavement, I put my right arm out with my left hand raised and I said to them both, ' Stop, stop, Hold on a moment, I need to speak to you both', but the women did not see me or hear me, and it was if they passed right through me and I found my self behind them both. I ran back after them but although I was running they both appeared to be getting further and further a head of me, It was as if I was on one of those exercise treadmills and was simply marking time! Then just as this sequence in my dream was coming to an end I noticed something very odd. One of the two women entered the hotel reception entrance whilst the other woman carried on walking up the road. This second woman got right to the top of the street at the junction and turned left out of sight with apartment 5A on her left! At this point my dream became merged with me somehow walking alongside the man carrying off the girl. We were as it were shoulder to shoulder walking down a street, he was carrying the girl whose body was held in such a way that it looked like the child was sleeping! The man was slightly taller than me and he was carrying the child with the childs head on the far side of his body so I never got to see the childs face. We simply were just walking down a street in the general direction of the sea! We never saw anybody else there was only the man carrying the child and myself! At this stage in the proceedings I had no description of either the two aforementioned women, the child, or the man! I know this seems rather strange in view of me spending so much time following, pursuing, and try to talk to these people, but it were as if they were silhoetted versions of women, the child and the man! I found my self knowing that the man carrying the child did not realise that I was there alongside him, and the next sequence in my dream merged with us being down at the waters edge by the sea. There were some tall shrubs and a few small fishermans boats laid on sand, some of these small boats were overturned! There then appeared a second man who had one of these small boats floating on the eddge of the tide and the man carrying the child walked toward him with me in tow! The second man helped the first man carrying the child, into the boat! Then a rather astonishing thing occurred, because as I was preparing to also board this small boat, the second man said to me, 'No, not you, you must go back to the hotel'. When the second man spoke to me in my dream, the first man did not appear to hear him talking to me. I responded, ' hang on a moment', I said, 'Whats going on here'? The second man responded rather angrily, ' go back to the hotel, you will be missed and it will look suspicious'! As I was trying to fathom out what he had said I found myself alone on the sea shore, the boat with the two men and the child were nowhere in sight, and I did not see them sail off, but that smaall boat was no longer on that section of the beach! Then my dream continued, I was hovering above a piece of ground covered with clumps of grass and small shrubs! It was daylight for some reason. It was if I was a bird of prey hovering above the landscape below! I seemed to be looking down at this piece of land for ages not knowing why I was doing so! Then water started to erupt up through the ground like a spring and the whole area became flooded shallowly! Then, without any clue as to why what happened next happened, I was being detained by armed men who fired two darts at and into my body! I was no longer on the sea shore by this stage and cannot explain how I was somewhere else, but I was in some historical street which reminded me in that moment of being somewhere in Malta! In this sequence of my dream, there were a group of about half a dozen men dressed in black walking hesitantly toward me. After the shots struct me I fell to the cobbled ground and was quickly surounded by several of these men, one of whom started talking about me, giving me the impression that I should not have been able to hear what he was saying because I had been shot with tranquilizer darts. He is saying to the others hovering around me, 'that's him, we have got him', he says, 'Thats him off the streets for the rest of his life'! I remember thinking to myself, 'What is this bloke on about, I haven't done anything'! I thought they had made some sort of a mistake and picked on the wrong man, and when I tried asking the man what had I done wrong, he couldn't hear a word I was trying to say! My dream then merged me into an old dungeon type place, where there were two other men being detained like me! I can't describe what either of these men looked like, it felt weird and wonderful that they could speak to me and that I could hear what they were saying, and vice versa, but what they had to tell me filled my heart with dred - These men had been detained indefinately by the Knights Templar, and that I (like them) would spend the rest of my natural life detained in custody at the disposal of the knights to do with us whatever was their choosing! The next thing we are escaping, I don't know how we got out of there but we are running through historic streets being pursued by our captures! I was very frightened of being caught and kept thinking to myself that I did n't want to be hit by any of those tranquilizer darts they had used on me before! I was then hiding, in some old ruins! Every now and then I saw small groups of men who I presumed rightly or wrongly were the knights templar out looking for me, and the other two escapees! Then out of the blue, the streets I was observing became full of people, and I saw a group of four adults being accompanied by a little girl who I immediately recognised as Madeiline McCann! As soon as I saw and recognised her I started to shout and bellow at the top of my voice, 'Its Maddie, its Maddie', I shouted, 'Maddie is still alive'! I then found myself captured by the knights templar and I was back in my dungeon being interrogated about my escape earlier and what I had witnessed involving my sighting of Madeleine McCann...

During this interrogation of me by the knights templar they told me that I 'would never ever be released', and that 'I was going to die' in prison! Then for some inexplicable reason and I do not know how or why but I was telling the knights templer custodians that I knew the secret behind the Madeleine McCann disaapearence! I knew for example, that she was taken on behalf of a wealthy couple, both women one by the Christian name 'Veronica', and the other was named  'Regina'! I somehow knew that they lived primarily in Malta! I also knew, but I didn't know how I knew, that the Pope in 'Rome' was also privvy to what had taken place! The knights templar weren't pleased with what I was saying to them! Then my dream merged into me somehow seeing Maddie playing with other children in the cobbled streets of Malta, the colour of her hair had been changed, it was a dark brown colour and frizzy looking. I recognised her straight away despite an attempt to disguise her appearance! It was whilst I was trying to capture the eye of the child to look for the unsual mark in one of her iris, that the woman named 'Veronica' suddenly cropped up in my dream, shouting at me to go away and to forget what I had seen and knew! At this juncture I woke from my dream...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 16, 2017, 11:12:AM
I don't see how after all these time Maddie could have been abducted and remain alive, unless she is being held captive in a dungeon somewhere. It's looking more likely in my opinion that she was taken by one man who lived nearby and was killed that same night. The libel laws prevent me from naming the man but I think most people will know to whom I'm alluding.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 11:18:AM
On a more serious note, I am more and more inclined to place more emphasis and importance on the sighting of the man carrying the child down a street in the general location of the sea shore, by the Smiths! This sighting interests me because of a number of reasons, one of which is that at the bottom of that particular street where the Smiths passed the man carrying the child is situated the resort Doctors surgery (LUZDOC). I know from personal experience that although the surgery closes early evening that there is always a notice providing an alternative phone number to be rung in any emergency, and I believe that if there had  been some sort of an accident involving Maddie that evening, that somebody carried her down toward the doctors surgery expecting to either get help in one way or another, but also and more probably if her condition had deteriorated beyond being helped, 'it gave the carrier of her body a good excuse to get almost down to the shoreline from apartment 5A without raising overt suspicion'. I think the man who carried Maddie down that stareet was either Gerry McCann, or one of the other male tapas group members. Alternatively, the man could have been someone who lived very close to the location of LUZDOC, again this affording that man a reasonable cover.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 16, 2017, 11:23:AM
On a more serious note, I am more and more inclined to place more emphasis and importance on the sighting of the man carrying the child down a street in the general location of the sea shore, by the Smiths! This sighting interests me because of a number of reasons, one of which is that at the bottom of that particular street where the Smiths passed the man carrying the child is situated the resort Doctors surgery (LUZDOC). I know from personal experience that although the surgery closes early evening that there is always a notice providing an alternative phone number to be rung in any emergency, and I believe that if there had  been some sort of an accident involving Maddie that evening, that somebody carried her down toward the doctors surgery expecting to either get help in one way or another, but also and more probably if her condition had deteriorated beyond being helped, 'it gave the carrier of her body a good excuse to get almost down to the shoreline from apartment 5A without raising overt suspicion'. I think the man who carried Maddie down that stareet was either Gerry McCann, or one of the other male tapas group members. Alternatively, the man could have been someone who lived very close to the location of LUZDOC, again this affording that man a reasonable cover.
But what happened to the body? I can't imagine any of the Tapas 7 women covering up for any accident which may have befallen Maddie in the apartment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 11:28:AM
I don't see how after all these time Maddie could have been abducted and remain alive, unless she is being held captive in a dungeon somewhere. It's looking more likely in my opinion that she was taken by one man who lived nearby and was killed that same night. The libel laws prevent me from naming the man but I think most people will know to whom I'm alluding.

One of the suspects, lived in an apartment close to the location of LUZDOC. Furthermore, the derelict building with what appears to be a shallow grave is situated across the road from the resorts church, and provided a secluded place in which to murder Madeleine McCann if she was taken alive from apartment 5A by a man, other than either Gerry McCann or one of the other male tapas group members! I do not think that the named suspect who was eventually cleared was the man the Smiths saw carrying the child who in all probability was and must have been the actual abductor! I think the vast majority of us know the identity of the person we are talking about...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 12:04:PM
But what happened to the body? I can't imagine any of the Tapas 7 women covering up for any accident which may have befallen Maddie in the apartment.

Lets exclude involvement of the parents and any tapas group member in the abduction and disappearence of Madeiline McCann. Lets say the abductor who carried her off, carried her off alive, either sleeping, or deliberately drugged. Lets call this man suspect (Y). Suspect 'Y' found a way to get into and out of apartment 5A, he had already selected his target! He may have already been inside apartment 5A on the evening prior to Maddie going missing, suspect 'Y' may have already sexually abused, or frightened the child in a bungled burgalry! This is possible in view of a report from other holiday makers or residents who told police that on the evening before the disappearence how they had heard the child constantly crying and calling out for her mother whilst the parents were wining and dining at the nearby tapas bar! On the following morning, Madeiline complained to her mother asking her why she hadn't returned the previous evening when she had been upset and crying? The mother has since questioned herself  for failing to ask Madeleine exactly what she meant? Now, lets assume, that suspect 'Y' had targeted Maddie, and had entered the apartment on the previous evening and that he was the cause of Madeleine McCanns upset on that occasion? He returned the following evening intending to remove her from apartment 5A, as part of a pre-arranged plan to abduct her, either for sexual gratification or possible sale for ready cash! This plan of abduction festered and grew towards fruition throughout the following day after the first contact with Maddie by suspect 'Y' the previous evening! If this was/is true, and suspect 'Y' is the local man we are talking about, he would have local knowlege, he would know a good place to conceal the childs body soon after he removed it from apartment 5A! He lived locally! His apartment was close to where the Smith contingent saw the mysterious man carrying the child, I think it is rather telling and extremely significant that situated at the bottom of that street, is the doctors surgery (LUZDOC). Suspect 'Y' would have used his knowlege of the streets to get him from apartment 5A toward his own apartment, or his pre-arranged hiding place near the sea shore, by using the cover of the location of LUZDOC to justify in the minds of anyone seeing him heading in that direction into thinking the child was unwell and he was seeking or intending to get medical help, available to him when the surgery was closed by way of the telephone number advertised for out of hours emergencies! To me, if the abductor (suspect 'Y') was/is the local man I am talking about, it would make sense for him to have gone into apartment 5A on the second occasion in posssession of a drug to prevent a repeat of the commotion that he created on the previous evening which led to upset and continuous crying by Madeleine McCann as a result of some abuse or other upon and against her in the absence of her parents. Use of a drug to subdue Maddie, by suspect 'Y' would also serve to give an impression to anyone seeing suspect 'Y' carrying her through the streets, that the child was either 'a sleep', or 'ill'...

Suspect 'Y' abducts the child, he drugs her, he carries her off, he uses part of his escape route to include the location of LUZDOC for obvious reasons. He lives close by to LUZDOC. He may also have prepared a hiding place after passing LUZDOC, other than taking her back to his apartment! That Hiding place seems so obvious to me to have been the derelict building across from the church! There was a single bed mattress! It was a derelict building! It was remote and offered protection from prying eyes! It had mounds of garden waste stacked up in the rear garden, and a hollow toward the back of the garden in question overshaddowed by tall reeds offering privacy from being seen by anyone in the surounding area! This was the most likliest location for suspect 'Y' to have taken the unconscious body of Madeleiene McCann! In the aforementioned hollow is situated a shallow looking grave surounded by marker stones. Clothing which arguably belonged to suspect 'Y' was found hidden inside the derelict building! No-one has searched this derelict building or excavated the shallow looking grave, and until they do it remains the most likeliest location where Madeleine McCanns remains and or her 'DNA' will eventually be found! The route taken by suspect 'Y' after the Smith sighting near LUZDOC is a simple and straight forward one, with access to the rear garden of the derelict building via a pub beer terrace, a pub which in all probabillity was suspect 'Y's local where he frequently drank...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 12:58:PM
'LUZDOC' building at end of street where the Smith Contingent saw suspect 'Y' carrying a child in his arms:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 01:03:PM
'LUZDOC' building on left showing view of street in which the Smith Contingent and suspect 'Y' carrying the child crossed paths...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 01:08:PM
Showing view looking downhill with 'LUZDOC' on right, and a further footpath along which the Smith contingent walked after leaving 'KELLYS BAR' and meeting suspect 'Y' carrying the child...

(1st image) The Smith contingent and suspect 'Y' who was carrying the child crossed paths above the postion shown by the parked car on the right as viewed...

(2nd image) at bottom of this footpath you turn right to head towards 'KELLYS BAR' and 'THE BULL' public house (the Smith contingent had left 'KELLYS BAR' and turned right up along this stretch of footpat, they didn't cross paths with suspect 'Y' on this footpath)..

(3rd image) shows a view with 'LUZDOC' on the left looking up the street, and the crossing of paths between the Smith contingent and suspect 'Y' carrying the child having occurred between the satelite dish and the street light on the right hand side of the road...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 01:24:PM
Showing view at junction where 'LUZDOC' and the passageway is located (a head), with alternative route towards sea shown on left...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 01:25:PM
Suspect 'Y' lived in an apartment closeby, the above location..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 01:27:PM
The derelict building where it is believed he took Madeleine McCann on the evening of her disappearence is but a stones throw away from 'LUZDOC'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 01:31:PM
Access to the rear garden of the derelict building via the beer terrace of THE BULL public house is but a stones throw away from 'LUZDOC', and the derelict building. 'THE BULL' public house is positioned on far left in this image. Its beer teerace is beyond the far corner of the building. 'KELLYS BAR' is situated out of sight (far right), again, a stones throw away from the prime site (rear garden of derelect building) where I believe the remains of Madeleine McCann may be found...

(2nd image) Showing view of the beer terrace on the right hand side of 'THE BULL' public house via which suspect 'Y' could have gained access to the rear garden of the derelict building on the evening he abducted Madeleine McCann..

(3rd image) Situated behind 'THE BULL' public house is the rear garden of the derelict building, where there exists a shallow grave in a hollow at the rear left hand corner obscruded by tall reeds...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 01:49:PM
 (1st image) View showing close proximity of 'derelict building' (bottom left) and 'THE BULL' public house (top left)..

(2nd image) Showing view down toward sea shore with location of derelict building at left middle..

(3rd imge) showing derelict building on left whilst looking up hill from direction of sea, with church out of shot on right...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 02:11:PM
Close proximity of location where the Smith contigent saw suspect 'Y' carry a child, 'LUZDOC', 'THE BULL' public house, and the derelict building, where it is strohngly suspected the remains of Madeleine McCann may be found...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 03:47:PM
I am now proceeding on the basis that the McCann parents are/were totally innocent of any involvement in the disappearence of thier daughter, Madeleine...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 03:49:PM
I am trying to get to the truth in this matter - nobody else has thus far, sorted out this mess/problem...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 03:53:PM
I am trying to get to the truth in this matter - nobody else has thus far, sorted out this mess/problem...

I have also accused tapas group members, but I would just like to say that my views are only my opinion based on what I know, what I have read and what I was told at a particular moment in time! If I worked from the CPS it would be unjustified for anybody to accuse me of any wrong doing! And, in any event, even if it was proved I was wrong, I could not be prosecuted, or have any action taken against me..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 04:01:PM
I am proceeding on the basis at this moment in time of suspect 'Y' being responsible for the disappearence of Madeleine McCann. I am not a fool, so if any of you think that I am, I suggest you go and make an appointment with your doctor, and get the appropriate medication prescribed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 04:05:PM
Suspect 'Y' had an apartmment at the following address :-

Rua 25 De Abril, Apartment 4, etc, etc, etc...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 04:12:PM
Suspect 'Y' had an apartmment at the following address :-

Rua 25 De Abril, Apartment 4, etc, etc, etc...

If the man seen by the Smith contingency was suspect 'Y', and suspect 'Y' was who I think he was, then obviously the direction in which he was walking in carrying Madeleine McCann was away from his apartment at the above address, suggestive that if suspect 'Y' abducted Madeleine McCann in whatever circumstance, he may not have had plans 'to take himself' and 'the girl' back to his own apartment, but rather he may 'have been heading for his hidy hole' (the derelect building and the seclusion and remoteness it offered him)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 04:30:PM
Seems to me, that if suspect 'Y' was the abductor of Madeleine McCann, that suspect 'Y' had already made his mind up, to conceal her body, and not to take her body back to his apartment, nearby!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2017, 04:33:PM
Seems to me, that if suspect 'Y' was the abductor of Madeleine McCann, that suspect 'Y' had already made his mind up, to conceal her body, and not to take her body back to his apartment, nearby!

I am convinced, that suspect 'Y' would have sought out a remote location to do with the victim whatever he had in mind thus minimising the prospect of his capture, and the safe return of the missing child to her worried and traumatised parents..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2017, 05:22:PM
Suspect 'Y' had an apartmment at the following address :-

Rua 25 De Abril, Apartment 4, etc, etc, etc...

I am particular interested to know if anyone has got pictures of suspect 'Y' wearing the items of clothing found by me, concealed inside a room at the derelict building?

A navy blue kaghoul
A green coloured with dark chequered pullover
Light coloured jeans
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 25, 2017, 06:36:PM
That's interesting Mike. I wonder if anyone remembers a man wearing those clothes? It seems on a different tack that the taxpayers' funding of this case is due to run out this week. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4538237/madeleine-mccann-search-end-12m-fund-runs-out/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 28, 2017, 08:06:PM
I'm not sure taxpayers' money is best spent on this search, tragic as the case may be. I would have thought with their connections the McCanns would be able to raise the necessary funds privately. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/madeleine-mccann-government-gives-police-%C2%A3154000-to-extend-search-for-missing-toddler/ar-AAszYND?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 02, 2017, 11:31:PM
I think I've lost all faith in the official enquiry..http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-hunt-person-11268140
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2017, 12:15:AM
I am convinced that on the very night that Madeline McCann went missing, the the Smith contingent from Ireland saw the person who carried her away from Apartment 5. I now strongly believe that Malinka was the person who the Smith contingent saw! I also believe that it is not beyond the realms of probability that after he passed the Smiths, that he may have taken Maddie to his apartment! Since, the sighting made by the Smiths was more or less halfway up the street where 'Luzdoc' is situated at the bottom corner of that street! If Malinka was the person the Smiths saw, all Malinka had to do to get to his own apartment was once he had passed the last of the Smith contingent, and at the corner of the street where 'Luzdoc' is situated, turn right along the adjoining street which eventually took him to his apartment!

On the other hand, maybe he took Maddie straight down to the derelict building which I have identified!

It's possible, that he may have transferred Maddie to the aforementioned derelict building, after he had concealed her at his apartment, either overnight, or as the case may be, days later!

One thing I feel strongly about is that Maddie ended up in the ground in the back garden of that derelict building!

The disturbed earth in a corner of the rear garden of the derelict building seems the most likeliest of places for someone local with local knowlege, to conceal the body of a dead child! Until somebody shows me proof that the local police who investigated the disappearence of Maddie, show me proof that the shallow grave I have identified never contained her remains, I will always believe that that was where her remains were concealed by her abductor!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 03, 2017, 03:33:PM
I've always thought that Malinka was dodgy. Also the contact between him and Robert Murat that night after not having previously made contact,allegedly,for at least a year. Someone obviously hadn't liked him after torching his car and writing " speak "-- Fala ? on the pavement.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 03, 2017, 08:23:PM
I've always thought that Malinka was dodgy. Also the contact between him and Robert Murat that night after not having previously made contact,allegedly,for at least a year. Someone obviously hadn't liked him after torching his car and writing " speak "-- Fala ? on the pavement.
I'm with you 100% on this lookout. It wouldn't surprise me if both individuals were still under observation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 04, 2017, 01:15:PM
I'm with you 100% on this lookout. It wouldn't surprise me if both individuals were still under observation.






Malinka used to go under many alias's too and why or how it came about that there was friendship between the two men,I don't know,but can only surmise that it had involved a darker side to life.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 01, 2017, 09:12:PM
It looks like the government has provided the necessary funding after all. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-met-officers-granted-extra-154000-for-inquiry-a3646331.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 05, 2017, 01:04:PM
The police are trying to track down a German woman,I think. She was the wife of a Brit,living in Portugal and they had a number of children,one of which died on the road when the door of their vehicle flew open and the child fell out and was killed. This is how the story went anyway.
Earlier in the investigation,this couple were interviewed and his name was always cropping up Raymond Hewlett. However,as time went on,he died in hospital where police had refused permission of the British police to interview him there.
To my knowledge,his wife/widow is still alive and probably knew more about her late husband than she was letting on. Hewlett was a known paedophile and a very dangerous man around children.
Why police didn't zoom-in on him in the first place I'll never know. He could have been extradited back here for some serious questioning but the PJ's seemed reluctant for any pressure to be put onto their own police force,or to the detriment of their country's reputation as a " safe place for children on holiday ".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 05, 2017, 01:06:PM
The police are trying to track down a German woman,I think. She was the wife of a Brit,living in Portugal and they had a number of children,one of which died on the road when the door of their vehicle flew open and the child fell out and was killed. This is how the story went anyway.
Earlier in the investigation,this couple were interviewed and his name was always cropping up Raymond Hewlett. However,as time went on,he died in hospital where police had refused permission of the British police to interview him there.
To my knowledge,his wife/widow is still alive and probably knew more about her late husband than she was letting on. Hewlett was a known paedophile and a very dangerous man around children.
Why police didn't zoom-in on him in the first place I'll never know. He could have been extradited back here for some serious questioning but the PJ's seemed reluctant for any pressure to be put onto their own police force,or to the detriment of their country's reputation as a " safe place for children on holiday ".

It's just another goose chase.  Madeleine died in the apartment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 05, 2017, 02:12:PM
It's just another goose chase.  Madeleine died in the apartment.
Wouldn't this have involved a big cover up, cleaning the apartment with bleach etc..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 05, 2017, 03:14:PM
It's just another goose chase.  Madeleine died in the apartment.






That being the case,who by ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 05, 2017, 03:17:PM





That being the case,who by ?
This was Amaral's theory, Chief of Police, on evidence from the cadaver dogs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 05, 2017, 04:22:PM
This was Amaral's theory, Chief of Police, on evidence from the cadaver dogs.






But he was too eager to blame the parents when that happened. Okay so the dogs picked up a scent from an alleged body,but they couldn't say whose body. It could well have happened months before the family stayed there as cadaverine can be detected by these specially trained dogs many months after an event.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 05, 2017, 04:48:PM





But he was too eager to blame the parents when that happened. Okay so the dogs picked up a scent from an alleged body,but they couldn't say whose body. It could well have happened months before the family stayed there as cadaverine can be detected by these specially trained dogs many months after an event.

This implies that somebody else has previously died in the apartment - before the MM incident.  The apartment would seem cursed if that were the case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 05, 2017, 04:59:PM
This implies that somebody else has previously died in the apartment - before the MM incident.  The apartment would seem cursed if that were the case.
I did read from one of the holidaymakers that that particular apartment was on the corner and as such far more visible than any of the others and that she was glad she hadn't been allocated it. It makes me think that the perpetrator watched the comings and goings and became familiar with the routine before striking as he did.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 05, 2017, 05:20:PM
This implies that somebody else has previously died in the apartment - before the MM incident.  The apartment would seem cursed if that were the case.







The apartment,or any apartment would never be advertised as someone having died there ? A few people meet an untimely end each year when on holiday,or even flying there but you'd never hear about it or you'd never go on holiday.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on November 05, 2017, 05:22:PM
I did read from one of the holidaymakers that that particular apartment was on the corner and as such far more visible than any of the others and that she was glad she hadn't been allocated it. It makes me think that the perpetrator watched the comings and goings and became familiar with the routine before striking as he did.






It was too handy being on the corner.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2018, 11:02:AM
I am thinking that Maddie may have been drowned in a boating accident involving members of the tapas 9, on the afternoon of her so called disappearence!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2018, 11:04:AM
I am thinking that Maddie may have been drowned in a boating accident involving members of the tapas 9, on the afternoon of her so called disappearence!
Kate and Gerry McCann's favourite song which reminds them of their daughters disappearence, provides the clue!

Dido Lyrics

"White Flag"

I know you think that I shouldn't still love you,
Or tell you that.
But if I didn't say it, well I'd still have felt it
Where's the sense in that?

I promise I'm not trying to make your life harder
Or return to where we were

But I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I know I left too much mess and destruction
To come back again
And I caused nothing but trouble
I understand if you can't talk to me again

And if you live by the rules of "it's over"
Then I'm sure that that makes sense

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

And when we meet
Which I'm sure we will
All that was there
Will be there still
I'll let it pass
And hold my tongue
And you will think
That I've moved on....

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 27, 2018, 09:51:PM
Yet more public money has been allocated to this case. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43550383
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on March 30, 2018, 02:38:PM
Yet more public money has been allocated to this case. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43550383

Operation Grange is a deliberate distraction.  From the beginning, its scope has included neither Madeleine's parents nor their friends. 

I noticed an English version of Amaral's book was on sale via Amazon last year but is no now longer available and the site states they were unsure whether it will return.  Not sure what's happened there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 30, 2018, 07:07:PM
Operation Grange is a deliberate distraction.  From the beginning, its scope has included neither Madeleine's parents nor their friends. 

I noticed an English version of Amaral's book was on sale via Amazon last year but is no now longer available and the site states they were unsure whether it will return.  Not sure what's happened there?
From what I understand the McCanns threatened to sue any distributor of the book and were granted an injunction in the UK but a Portuguese court ruled that Amaral could sell his book, which is why it's currently available on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Madeleine-daughters-disappearance-continuing-search/dp/0552165158/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0/262-6103932-1848243?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=F2QEH9VY5CE6V8V4ASCS
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 05, 2018, 11:47:AM
From what I understand the McCanns threatened to sue any distributor of the book and were granted an injunction in the UK but a Portuguese court ruled that Amaral could sell his book, which is why it's currently available on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Madeleine-daughters-disappearance-continuing-search/dp/0552165158/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0/262-6103932-1848243?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=F2QEH9VY5CE6V8V4ASCS

Yes but that's my point.  It's not actually available (and that's the wrong link).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 05, 2018, 05:45:PM
Yes but that's my point.  It's not actually available (and that's the wrong link).
Yes sorry it was the wrong link, but this is not and I have added it to my Amazon basket, if not actually bought. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B075QGMFLH/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1522946703&sr=1-1
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 08, 2018, 09:06:PM
Has this been posted before? https://youtu.be/4x2J7g-jU-Q
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 08, 2018, 10:18:PM
Has this been posted before? https://youtu.be/4x2J7g-jU-Q

I watched that the other day.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 08, 2018, 11:26:PM
Has this been posted before? https://youtu.be/4x2J7g-jU-Q

This one is worth a watch but it's subtitles.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLDJHmWHXQ&list=PLvtmlFOtf24gEx0bkcfYJd84x7bsMY4Ep
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2018, 08:43:AM
In the News today..

Also, here is an interesting link:-

(1) - https://youtu.be/_0AuBVd7NjM
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 03, 2018, 09:04:AM
I swear that this is to take the heat off the JB case. Much as I have sympathy for the McCanns,but each time the JB case moves a bit nearer to the forefront,we have this case appearing in the spotlight making a complete mockery of the system in general,offering all this money yet there's the JB case scratching around trying to raise the funds just for the privilege of doing a few forensic tests etc plus payment toward those who are good enough to investigate this MOJ.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2018, 09:36:AM
Madeleine McCann is deceased, her remains are buried in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at Prairie de Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 03, 2018, 10:17:AM
This dragging of feet is costing thousands. It should be coming out of the pockets of those who didn't do their jobs properly----namely the PJ's.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2018, 12:21:PM
Madeleine McCann is deceased, her remains are buried in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at Prairie de Luz...

A Ground Scanner needs to be moved over the shallow grave that I discovered in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at Prai de Luz, and dna samples taken of the rubble and soil there - the parents spent a great deal of time down at the church when it got dark, they had ample opportunity to slip unnoticed across the road into the derelict building to dispose of her remains there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 03, 2018, 08:41:PM
The body could be anywhere..https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/700374/madeleine-mccann-anniversary-news-missing-vigil-parents-gerry-kate-rothley-leicestershire
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 15, 2018, 05:32:PM
The body could be anywhere..https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/700374/madeleine-mccann-anniversary-news-missing-vigil-parents-gerry-kate-rothley-leicestershire

The body of Madeline McCann was almost certainly concealed in the derelict building situated less than 50 metres across the street from the village church, and potentially her remains were later transferred via the hire car which was arranged from the car hire shop located 2 or 3 premises away from the said derelict building on the same side of the street (across the road from the village church)...

From the latest information that I have received, the parents know that Madeline is passed away!

The parents lied to the Portuguese police...

Madeline McCann is deceased, they know it, the Portuguese police knew it, and from my point of view, I know this to be true!

I visited Praise Dr luz some 3 years after the alleged events, and whilst there not only did I speak about the case with local residents, but I also used my psychic abilities to pinpoint the grave where provisionally Madeline McCanns remains were initially concealed in the knowledge of both parents!

I have not returned to Praise Dr Luz since my visit, so I am not able to pin point whether or not the child's corpse is still interned there, in the garden of the derelict building, but in any event her DNA would still be present in the soil!

My instinct strongly tells me that the parents (both of them) knew that Madeline McCanns body was present in the derelict building situated directly across the street from the local search where both parents sought refuge away from prying eyes - I know with 100% certainty that what I am reporting is / was the absolute truth!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 01:00:PM
If I was a betting man (which I am sometimes) I would put money on it that Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner, Kate Healey and Gerry McCann were all involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCanns body from apartment 5A at the Ocean club on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007!

I think the Smith contingent saw Russell O'Brien carrying Madeleine's body down towards the church and the beach just before 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: IndigoJ on July 29, 2018, 02:31:PM
my opinion is that she is still alive somewhere and that she was taken by a pedophile ring  :(
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 29, 2018, 02:50:PM
I think so too Indigo.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 03:31:PM
If I was a betting man (which I am sometimes) I would put money on it that Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner, Kate Healey and Gerry McCann were all involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCanns body from apartment 5A at the Ocean club on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007!

I think the Smith contingent saw Russell O'Brien carrying Madeleine's body down towards the church and the beach just before 10pm...

Madeleine McCanns demise is linked to a lookalike child (Ella) belonging to Jane Tanner / Russell O'Brien who was supposedly taken ill that very same night (3rd May 2007), used as an excuse for Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien to be away from the tapas restaurant at key moments at the time Madeleine was reportedly taken! In point of fact, either Jane Tanner, or Russell O'Brien were not present in the tapas bar area from around the time Gerry McCann made his check and was speaking to a tennis acquaintance of his (Jez) in the street at around 9.05am...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 29, 2018, 06:14:PM
Robert Murat had once sad that his daughter was the " spitting image " of Madeleine. If ever anyone had all the hallmarks of being involved in the case it was him. Even the journalist had pointed out that he'd reminded her of Ian Huntley because of his " willingness " to help the police, even as a translator. The suspicion was breathtaking if you read about him-------the lies, his movements. Shocking.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 06:19:PM
Madeleine McCanns demise is linked to a lookalike child (Ella) belonging to Jane Tanner / Russell O'Brien who was supposedly taken ill that very same night (3rd May 2007), used as an excuse for Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien to be away from the tapas restaurant at key moments at the time Madeleine was reportedly taken! In point of fact, either Jane Tanner, or Russell O'Brien were not present in the tapas bar area from around the time Gerry McCann made his check and was speaking to a tennis acquaintance of his (Jez) in the street at around 9.05am...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 06:23:PM
Statement Analysis of the McCann parents interview...

The truth is out there!

(1) - https://youtu.be/slziMpXYjJo

(2) - https://youtu.be/qyB29g6nbDo

(3) - https://youtu.be/VWWjkL-joS4
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 07:18:PM
Madeleine McCann is dead!

The parents know she is dead, and so do O'Brien and Tanner...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 07:19:PM
Madeleine McCann is dead!

The parents know she is dead, and so do O'Brien and Tanner...

She didn't die in the apartment, she died at lobster creche on Tuesday 2nd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 07:21:PM
Madeleine McCann is deceased, her remains are buried in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at Prairie de Luz...

At least that is where I believe her body was originally taken and concealed!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 07:30:PM
At least that is where I believe her body was originally taken and concealed!
I have pinpointed the exact location of the hole that was dug in the ground in a ditch at the back of the garden of the derelict building across the street from St Vincents church where the McCann's sought refuge in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 07:45:PM
Nobody has been to this location and searched what appears to be a shallow grave, within a few metres of St Vincent's church situated across the street. This shallow grave is located at the back corner of the rear garden of the derelict building in which my famous photograph that I have named 'THE GHOST OF MADDIE' was taken in a room with a view from its window of the church!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 07:52:PM
The Smith sighting of who they believed to have been Gerry McCann carrying a child in his arms walking briskly in the direction of the church at about 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, was a case for mistaken identity, since I believe that the person who carried off Madeleine's body involved in this sighting was none other than Russell O'Brien who was making his way to the derelict building across the street from St Vincent's church!...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 07:56:PM
The Smith sighting took place in the vicinity of the following narrow street:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 08:08:PM
The sighting of the person carrying what is likely to be the body of Madeleine McCann was made very close to St Vincent's Church and the derelict building situated across from the street!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 29, 2018, 08:28:PM
She didn't die in the apartment, she died at lobster creche on Tuesday 2nd May 2007...
If she died at the hands of the nannies or some child's play gone wrong they would have taken her to the hospital. Why transport the body back to the wardrobe of the McCann's apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 09:36:PM
If she died at the hands of the nannies or some child's play gone wrong they would have taken her to the hospital. Why transport the body back to the wardrobe of the McCann's apartment?

Steve_uk, please watch the statement analysts review of the McCann parents interviews, I know it is a long laborious task, but this guy talks a lot of sense, he hits the nail on the head! Madeleine did not die inside apartment 5a, she died long before the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007! The expert in this particular field of expertise goes so far as to say that both parents make what is known as an 'embedded Confession' in this particular interview he analyses. Madeleine is dead, her death was probably an accident, but there were things that would have come to light had her death been reported through the proper channels that would have got the McCanns and some of their friends into serious trouble! Look at the lobster creche register entries for the afternoon Tuesday 1st May 2007, Madeleine was never booked out by a nanny and nobody collected Madeleine officially from the creche that afternoon!

I believe that Madeleine died at the creche on that Tuesday afternoon...

It is not for me to have to explain how or why the cadaver and blood hound dogs reacted like they did in Apartment 5a...

She is dead, the McCann parents know it, and so do some of their friends, particularly O'Brien and Tanner!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 29, 2018, 09:45:PM
Steve_uk, please watch the statement analysts review of the McCann parents interviews, I know it is a long laborious task, but this guy talks a lot of sense, he hits the nail on the head! Madeleine did not die inside apartment 5a, she died long before the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007! The expert in this particular field of expertise goes so far as to say that both parents make what is known as an 'embedded Confession' in this particular interview he analyses. Madeleine is dead, her death was probably an accident, but there were things that would have come to light had her death been reported through the proper channels that would have got the McCanns and some of their friends into serious trouble! Look at the lobster creche register entries for the afternoon Tuesday 1st May 2007, Madeleine was never booked out by a nanny and nobody collected Madeleine officially from the creche that afternoon!

I believe that Madeleine died at the creche on that Tuesday afternoon...

It is not for me to have to explain how or why the cadaver and blood hound dogs reacted like they did in Apartment 5a...

She is dead, the McCann parents know it, and so do some of their friends, particularly O'Brien and Tanner!
Mike I've seen those videos before but as you know yourself law enforcement or those acting for them can get it wrong. I don't believe there is one standard way of reacting after a tragedy as some of the Jeremy supporters constantly remind us, and whether the McCanns gave themselves away subliminally is open to interpretation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 09:45:PM
I believe that Madeleines body was never kept in apartment 5a at all after the accident had occurred at the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007. I think her body was hidden at the lobster creche in the room above the Ocean reception, and that on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 that when Russell O'Brien supposedly went down to the main reception to report that Madeleine was missing supposedly at about 10.30pm, that he collected Madeleine's body from the lobster creche premises and that he made his way down towards the church and the derelict building, and that was when the Smith Contingent saw him carrying Madeleine's body in his arms! I think the Smiths could easily have got the timing of that sighting slightly wrong, either that or Russell O'Brien went down to the main reception much earlier than he said he had done, for example, he went there immediately upon being relieved by Jane Tanner at about 9.50pm from babysitting Ella...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 09:54:PM
Mike I've seen those videos before but as you know yourself law enforcement or those acting for them can get it wrong. I don't believe there is one standard way of reacting after a tragedy as some of the Jeremy supporters constantly remind us, and whether the McCanns gave themselves away subliminally is open to interpretation.

I have personally met hundreds of people whilst serving sentences in prisons throughout the UK in-between 1974 and 1995. I have been incarcerated alongside murderers, terrorists, bank robbers, burglars and con men throughout this period! If you think that somebody like the McCanns can pull the wool over my eyes with the absolute garbage they keep talking about, then you would be sadly mistaken! Madeleine McCann is dead, she is never coming back alive! It's a circus the way the police are not treating them as suspects, a good 80% of the world's population suspect the parents of being involved in Madeleine's reported disappearance, I am one of those people! They got rid of her body, there is no doubt at all about it!

I don't think the statement analyst was making anything up in the way he came to his conclusions!

Why would he make something like that up?

He sounded genuine to me, and authentic!

There is no evidence to support the claim that anything he said is not true, on the contrary everything he has said has a clear ring of truth about it!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 10:02:PM
Samples taken from the apartment (5A) and the hire vehicle (Renault scenic) are still being held in Lisbon, which could still yeild conclusive proof that Madeleine McCanns remains, or items which had been contaminated with Madeleine's remains, were concealed in the apartment and in the Renault motor vehicle - Scotland Yard police have sent several requests to the Portuguese police for all these samples to be released to them, but to date the Portuguese are holding back because they fear that their UK counterparts will interfere with the results in the same way they did with the last lot...

The Portuguese police are holding onto the outstanding samples, with a view to getting them analysed elsewhere in the World! They are very interested in a new DNA technique known as...

Phonetone DNA Profiling...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 10:08:PM
It is also understood that the Portuguese police are interested in a form of DNA which is believed to be able to determine whether or not at the time a DNA sample is deposited, whether or not the donor was still alive, or deceased, at the point of cross contamination?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 10:15:PM
Right next door to the derelict building is a pharmacy shop, and just further up the car hire shop through which the McCanns hired the Renault scenic motor vehicle..

The formal address of the derelict building which as far as I am concerned was of great significance during the first few weeks post the tragedy, is shown at the top of the image...

No.5 Av dos Pescadores, Praia de Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 29, 2018, 10:19:PM
I have personally met hundreds of people whilst serving sentences in prisons throughout the UK in-between 1974 and 1995. I have been incarcerated alongside murderers, terrorists, bank robbers, burglars and con men throughout this period! If you think that somebody like the McCanns can pull the wool over my eyes with the absolute garbage they keep talking about, then you would be sadly mistaken! Madeleine McCann is dead, she is never coming back alive! It's a circus the way the police are not treating them as suspects, a good 80% of the world's population suspect the parents of being involved in Madeleine's reported disappearance, I am one of those people! They got rid of her body, there is no doubt at all about it!

I don't think the statement analyst was making anything up in the way he came to his conclusions!

Why would he make something like that up?

He sounded genuine to me, and authentic!

There is no evidence to support the claim that anything he said is not true, on the contrary everything he has said has a clear ring of truth about it!
But you can't convict anyone on statement analysis. I just think they know they were basically wrong in leaving their children unsupervised and they're trying to overcompensate for the benefit of the twins as they grow older.

Critics argue that the technique encourages investigators to prejudge a suspect as deceptive and affirm a presumption of guilt before the interrogation process has even begun. Statement analysis in general has been criticized as "theoretically vague" with little or no empirical evidence in its favor, and SCAN in particular has been characterized as "junk science"[1] with the Skeptic's Dictionary and Skeptical Inquirer magazine[12] classifying it as a form of pseudoscience.[2]
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 10:54:PM
But you can't convict anyone on statement analysis. I just think they know they were basically wrong in leaving their children unsupervised and they're trying to overcompensate for the benefit of the twins as they grow older.

Critics argue that the technique encourages investigators to prejudge a suspect as deceptive and affirm a presumption of guilt before the interrogation process has even begun. Statement analysis in general has been criticized as "theoretically vague" with little or no empirical evidence in its favor, and SCAN in particular has been characterized as "junk science"[1] with the Skeptic's Dictionary and Skeptical Inquirer magazine[12] classifying it as a form of pseudoscience.[2]

It seems a clear case to me from observing the McCann Parents throughout this so called ordeal that they are going through that they are faking their reactions, it doesn't come across as genuine! I don't believe that Madeleine was alive after going to the lobster creche that Tuesday afternoon (1st May 2007), nobody handed her back to anyone, and nobody collected Madeleine from the creche that afternoon! Rather more astonishingly Madeleine was booked back into the lobster creche on the following morning, and back out again! This was repeated in the afternoon session of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, booked in and out! Finally according to the dodgy creche register Madeleine was booked into the lobster creche again on the Thursday morning (3rd May 2007) and back out again ! Also, in the afternoon session the creche log has Madeleine booked in there from 14.30hrs, and the fact that Kate McCann collected Madeleine from there at 17.30hrs, against her signature - what I find truly remarkable is that in her book 'Madeleine'', Kate states that upon returning to the tapas area from her run that afternoon at 5.30pm, she found Gerry and their three siblings had already started eating high tea, but this cannot possibly be true if Kate had collected Madeleine from lobster creche at 17.30hrs! Furthermore, her run along the beach would have brought her past the lobster creche where Madeleine was supposedly being looked after by the creche nanny CAT-fem. What raises a red flag for me here, is that Kate also collected the twins Amelie and Sean from the Jellyfish creche at 17.25hrs, against her signature, so how could all three siblings had already started eating high tea as she claims in her published book by the time she arrived there from her afternoon run at 5.30pm?

There is something dramatically wrong here, Kate wouldn't run past the lobster creche which she would have pass on her way to the tapas restaurant to meet up with Gerry, and collect the twins from the jellyfish creche at 17.25hrs, and then with the two kids in tow, dash all the way back down the hill to the lobster creche situated above the main Ocean Club reception to collect Madeleine and sign her out at 17.30hrs, and at one and the same time, as if by magic also be arriving back up the hill to find Gerry and their three siblings had already started eating their high tea?

Surely, you don't believe a word of what they say happened, and what must have happened on that occasion?

Madeleine wasn't even still alive by that stage, let alone that she was already eating her high tea when Kate returned to the tapas restaurant at 5.30pm from her run, or and Kate had run past the lobster creche to go and get Amelie and Sean from Jellyfish creche at 17.25hrs, and dashing all the way back down hill all the way to the lobster creche above the main Ocean club reception by 17.30hrs, and then somehow be instantaneously back up the hill to find that the three children she had collected were already there with Gerry already eating their high teas?

Either, Kate collected Amelie and Sean at 17.25hrs, and then took both of them all the way down hill to the lobster creche above the main Ocean club reception in time to collect and sign for Madeleine at 17.30hrs, or she didn't?

When she returned from her run that afternoon, she either arrived at the tapas restaurant at 5.30pm to find that Gerry, Amelie, Sean and Madeleine had already started eating high tea at that stage, or they hadn't?

Seems somewhat obvious to me that Kate couldn't have collected and signed for the collection of two kids from one creche, at 17.25hrs, and Madeleine from the other creche at 17.30 hrs, and them already being present eating high tea when she got to the tapas at 5.30pm!

How could you forget what had happened when it was the last meal that Kate and the family (supposedly including Madeleine) would ever eat together upon this earth?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 11:03:PM
In my opinion, Kate McCann has told a pack of lies about Madeleine still being alive at all at any stage on Thursday 3rd May 2007! Madeleine was already deceased by that time, and her body was not inside apartment 5A when they left to go to the tapas restaurant at about 8.30pm on that last oh so important Thursday evening!

Nobody took Madeleine out of that apartment that evening, it's all absolute nonsense!

I believe the real location where Madeleine died was when she attended the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007 after she was booked in by Gerry McCann at 14.30hrs...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2018, 11:05:PM
In my opinion, Kate McCann has told a pack of lies about Madeleine still being alive at all at any stage on Thursday 3rd May 2007! Madeleine was already deceased by that time, and her body was not inside apartment 5A when they left to go to the tapas restaurant at about 8.30pm on that last oh so important Thursday evening!

Nobody took Madeleine out of that apartment that evening, it's all absolute nonsense!

I believe the real location where Madeleine died was when she attended the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007 after she was booked in by Gerry McCann at 14.30hrs...

For some reason, Madeleine McCann never left the lobster creche at any stage that afternoon or early evening!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 29, 2018, 11:47:PM
For some reason, Madeleine McCann never left the lobster creche at any stage that afternoon or early evening!
..which backs the statements of Catriona Baker and Charlotte Pennington. Had there been an accident there they would have involved the emergency services. As for Gerry and Kate remember they are doctors, used to giving orders and reassuring people in their job, including terminally ill patients, which may account for their slightly distant and emotionless demeanour on camera.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 12:08:AM
..which backs the statements of Catriona Baker and Charlotte Pennington. Had there been an accident there they would have involved the emergency services. As for Gerry and Kate remember they are doctors, used to giving orders and reassuring people in their job, including terminally ill patients, which may account for their slightly distant and emotionless demeanour on camera.

On the contrary, absence of any signature and the time when anybody took her back out of the creche that afternoon (Tuesday 1st May 2007) casts a huge shadow over the integrity of the nannies! According to CAT-fem, a separate register on a separate page were completed for the morning, and then the afternoon sessions, but in the versions which are clearly forgeries and faked, the morning and afternoon sessions are all recorded on the same page (so much for the nannies knowing what was going on, when they can't even get the basic information right about how the creche registers were produced). It doesn't matter one jot to me that the McCanns and their friends are doctors, or whatever, they know that Madeleine died, and they got rid of her body because of the consequences her death would have upon their lives!

I don't think I am wrong, Madeleine died at the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007!

Madeleines death has been covered up!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 30, 2018, 12:21:AM
On the contrary, absence of any signature and the time when anybody took her back out of the creche that afternoon (Tuesday 1st May 2007) casts a huge shadow over the integrity of the nannies! According to CAT-fem, a separate register on a separate page were completed for the morning, and then the afternoon sessions, but in the versions which are clearly forgeries and faked, the morning and afternoon sessions are all recorded on the same page (so much for the nannies knowing what was going on, when they can't even get the basic information right about how the creche registers were produced). It doesn't matter one jot to me that the McCanns and their friends are doctors, or whatever, they know that Madeleine died, and they got rid of her body because of the consequences her death would have upon their lives!


I don't think I am wrong, Madeleine died at the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007!
Madeleines death has been covered up!
But Charlotte Pennington spoke to her on Thursday 3rd May. http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/charlotte-pennington/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: IndigoJ on July 30, 2018, 08:07:AM
On the contrary, absence of any signature and the time when anybody took her back out of the creche that afternoon (Tuesday 1st May 2007) casts a huge shadow over the integrity of the nannies! According to CAT-fem, a separate register on a separate page were completed for the morning, and then the afternoon sessions, but in the versions which are clearly forgeries and faked, the morning and afternoon sessions are all recorded on the same page (so much for the nannies knowing what was going on, when they can't even get the basic information right about how the creche registers were produced). It doesn't matter one jot to me that the McCanns and their friends are doctors, or whatever, they know that Madeleine died, and they got rid of her body because of the consequences her death would have upon their lives!

I don't think I am wrong, Madeleine died at the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007!

Madeleines death has been covered up!

this is an interesting theory , i've not come across this one before. Who do you believe killed her? and if it wasn't the McCanns why would they be involved in the conspiracy to cover it up?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: IndigoJ on July 30, 2018, 08:19:AM
But Charlotte Pennington spoke to her on Thursday 3rd May. http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/charlotte-pennington/

who else at the creche corroborated her statement?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 03:23:PM
But Charlotte Pennington spoke to her on Thursday 3rd May. http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/charlotte-pennington/

No, that's impossible, she must have mistook Ella O'Brien for Madeleine McCann, since Ella and Madeleine were of the same age and had similar looks as eachother, something which was exploited by the McFlies and their moths for the last two days! Madeleine arrived at the creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007 at 14.30hrs, but never left there! There is no entry in the creche log to confirm that Madeleine McCann ever left the
lobster creche that Tuesday afternoon! There is no signature belonging to anyone to confirm that Madeleine was collected from there, or handed over by someone on that particular afternoon - it's as though Madeleine simply vanished off the face of the earth on that particular afternoon!

Whatever happened, no-one was prepared to make a required entry in the creche register on that occasion!

Madeleine McCann was not the only child who didn't get collected and signed out of the lobster creche that Tuesday afternoon?

The Carpenter child was deposited at the creche (14.40hrs) 10 minutes after Madeleine (14.30 hrs), and like Madeleines never officially was booked out again on that afternoon! Maybe whatever took place resulting in the loss of Madeleine McCann on that afternoon had something to do with, the Carpenter child, the person who deposited the Carpenter Child, and whoever collected the Carpenter child unbeknown to the nannies, who were busy down at the beach taking part in a sailing club activity only involving 6 children, despite 8 children's names appearing in the register that afternoon?

Two of the eight children never made it to the beach and the sailing club activity that afternoon, it's odds on that the two children who did not take part, were the Carpenter and the McCann siblings!

Something very serious happened back at the creche which prevented the Carpenter child and Madeleine featuring in the sail boat activity down at the beach - hence why the entry dealing with the depositing of the Carpenter child was scribbled out, as if he/she had never been there that afternoon at all...

Whatever happened, whatever went wrong, it happened at the creche on that afternoon, resulting in some sort of a cover up being put into place!

I believe that the cover up involved MI6, special Branch officers, informants who were working on an undercover peadophile operation, with the McCann Parents and their three children, and others in their group, being used as the bait!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 03:43:PM
I also believe that Robert Murat was part of the same undercover International peadophile sting that the security services from the UK and Portugal were controlling!

The McFlies, and some of the other tapas group members and their children were involved in an international undercover peadophile ring operation! This is why the McCanns were not allowed to talk openly about what happened, and why the Ocean club staff aren't singing from the same hymn sheet! Thats why the Government was involved from a very early stage, and why The McFlies haven't been charged with any criminal offences, and why Scotland Yard are not treating the McFlies as suspects!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 30, 2018, 05:58:PM
Well I'm with you on Robert Murat, but as I said before if some accident had occurred at one of the children's clubs they would have called the emergency services, not cover it up.

I wouldn't stay there in the first place, having read some of the reviews. In fact I'm surprised it's still operating at all:

Are accommodation was vile, dirty and smelly with no air conditioning and wasn't serviced properly through out are 10 day stay. The furnishing was horrendous and we only found out each apartment is privately owned when we arrived. This was not stated while booking! Our TV has minimal English channels and the WIFI was 'down'! Not to mention the gym was closed and had been for a while judging from the dust on the machines. There was no such thing as a spa of polish activities and the poolside bar/restaurant was closed in peak season! The staff where rude and ignorant and in the end we stopped sitting around the pool simply because of the rudeness of the staff! In mine, my sisters & grandparents opinions this resort is run down! I would not recommend this resort to anybody especially for the price of the stay as well.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 06:22:PM
Well I'm with you on Robert Murat, but as I said before if some accident had occurred at one of the children's clubs they would have called the emergency services, not cover it up.

I wouldn't stay there in the first place, having read some of the reviews. In fact I'm surprised it's still operating at all:

Are accommodation was vile, dirty and smelly with no air conditioning and wasn't serviced properly through out are 10 day stay. The furnishing was horrendous and we only found out each apartment is privately owned when we arrived. This was not stated while booking! Our TV has minimal English channels and the WIFI was 'down'! Not to mention the gym was closed and had been for a while judging from the dust on the machines. There was no such thing as a spa of polish activities and the poolside bar/restaurant was closed in peak season! The staff where rude and ignorant and in the end we stopped sitting around the pool simply because of the rudeness of the staff! In mine, my sisters & grandparents opinions this resort is run down! I would not recommend this resort to anybody especially for the price of the stay as well.
Which apartment did you stay in Steve_Uk and when did you stay there?

When I stayed there, we stayed in the apartment block across the street from the concrete steps that led up to the patio doors of 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 30, 2018, 06:30:PM
Which apartment did you stay in Steve_Uk and when did you stay there?

When I stayed there, we stayed in the apartment block across the street from the concrete steps that led up to the patio doors of 5A...
I never stayed there. I just googled Ocean Club Praia da Luz and took a review off Trip Advisor. I also learned that a granny has bought the original apartment where the disappearance ostensibly occurred. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/24/british-grandmother-buys-apartment-madeleine-mccann-vanished/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 30, 2018, 06:43:PM
When you have jobs such as the McCann's had/have you go for 5 star accommodation in the more affluent areas. I can't understand why they chose where they were. You don't skimp when you can afford not to.

Speaking of Murat, he had keys to one or two of those apartments but I'm not sure of the reason, whether he was doing a favour for someone when the places became vacant, I don't know. The man seemed to have had a finger in every pie.
There was also talk of him being either related to Tanner or they were having an affair but I don't know how true it is as you find all kinds of open cans of worms when someone is a suspect. His " pedigree " if true is horrendous too. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 06:47:PM
Here is the key document that I believe hides the truth about what really has happened to Madeleine McCann!

A total of 8 children signed into the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007

Afternoon session

Child 1 booked in (Madeleine McCann) 14.30hrs - never booked out
Child 2 booked in (Jessica Berry) 14.30hrs - booked out 17.30hrs
Child 3 booked in 14.30hrs - booked out 17.30hrs
Child 4 booked in (Ella O'Brien) 14.30hrs - booked out 17.30hrs
Child 5 booked in 2.30pm - booked out 17.30hrs
Child 6 booked in (Carpenter sibling) 2.40pm (deleted entry) - never booked out
Child 7 booked in (Elizabeth Naylor) 2.30pm - booked out 4.00pm
Child 8 booked in 2.30pm - booked out 5.30pm (not signed out by / to anybody)

But, only 6 children took part in the sailing club activity down at the beach - and Madeleine wasn't seen there on this occasion, a fact mentioned in one of the witness statements!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 06:53:PM
Something went wrong at the lobster creche that Tuesday afternoon (1st May 2007), involving two of the 8 children! Something Ocean club staff cannot talk about, and something the McCanns have been warned not to talk about...

The alleged abduction from apartment 5a 2 days later is bogus, a narrative that was introduced as a cover up to hide what had really taken place 2 days earlier at the lobster creche!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 07:04:PM
I never stayed there. I just googled Ocean Club Praia da Luz and took a review off Trip Advisor. I also learned that a granny has bought the original apartment where the disappearance ostensibly occurred. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/24/british-grandmother-buys-apartment-madeleine-mccann-vanished/

Oh, ok...

But just for the record, Madeleine McCann did not disappear from apartment 5A on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, something sinister had already happened to her a couple of days beforehand (on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007). This coincided with Robert Murat who was in the UK at that time being contacted and which resulted in him catching a flight to Portugal one day before the news broke that Madeleine had been abducted! Upon his arrival in Portugal on Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Murat met the McCanns privately! On the very same day, other people who were to play a big part in defending the McCanns and their friends also flew out of the UK, and liased with the McCanns and others, prior to Madeleine's disappearance being declared!

It was all planned, to make it appear like an abduction from apartment 5A, because something far more sinister had taken place 2 days earlier (Tuesday 1st May 2007, after 14.30 hrs...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 30, 2018, 07:11:PM
Oh, ok...

But just for the record, Madeleine McCann did not disappear from apartment 5A on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, something sinister had already happened to her a couple of days beforehand (on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007). This coincided with Robert Murat who was in the UK at that time being contacted and which resulted in him catching a flight to Portugal one day before the news broke that Madeleine had been abducted! Upon his arrival in Portugal on Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Murat met the McCanns privately! On the very same day, other people who were to play a big part in defending the McCanns and their friends also flew out of the UK, and liased with the McCanns and others, prior to Madeleine's disappearance being declared!

It was all planned, to make it appear like an abduction from apartment 5A, because something far more sinister had taken place 2 days earlier (Tuesday 1st May 2007, after 14.30 hrs...
Why would anybody want to meet Robert Murat?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:02:PM
Why would anybody want to meet Robert Murat?

Everything points to the McFly clan and some of their friends already knowing, and having been in regular contact with Robert Murat and others, such as Serge Malinka, via internet sites, involving wife swapping, swinging and other sites of that nature, and that the reason Robert Murat didn't end up being charged in connection with Madeleine McCanns so called abduction from apartment 5a on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, was because Madeleine was not abducted on that day!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:08:PM
Everything points to the McFly clan and some of their friends already knowing, and having been in regular contact with Robert Murat and others, such as Serge Malinka, via internet sites, involving wife swapping, and other sites of that nature, and that the reason Robert Murat didn't end up being charged in connection with Madeleine McCanns so called abduction from apartment 5a on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, was because Madeleine was not abducted on that day!

The key incident relating to Madeleine McCanns demise, occurred at the lobster creche on the afternoon of 1st May 2007, after 14.30hrs, when Gerry McCann had a prearranged meeting with someone suspected of being a wanted peadophile, who he arranged to meet at the creche! Whatever happened, whoever he had arranged to rendezvous with, got wind of the plot by Gerry McCann who was working undercover, and either kidnapped Madeleine McCann from the creche, or killed her, in revenge...

This is why the security services were monitoring everything the so called tapas group did whilst they were in Portugal!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:12:PM
Everything points to something very serious unravelling at the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday, 1st May 2007!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:14:PM
Everything points to something very serious unravelling at the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday, 1st May 2007!

I know with 100% certainty that Madeleine McCann was not with her parents after 14.30hrs on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007, anything and everything which exists or suggests otherwise involves misinformation!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:17:PM
The British Government, and special services were behind the narrative that somebody had taken Madeleine McCann from apartment 5a on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:17:PM
The British Government, and special services were behind the narrative that somebody had taken Madeleine McCann from apartment 5a on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007!

But...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:21:PM
But...

What I also believe to be true, is that by just after 9.05pm on that Thursday evening (3rd May 2007), that the McCanns and their accomplices were informed that Madeleine had, in fact been killed in retaliation for the parents and their friends trying to set the person or persons up in the undercover sting operation!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:29:PM
I have received information that Russell O'Brien went to a rendezvous point to be handed or to collect the body of Madeleine McCann at around 10pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, and that in fact, the Smith contingent sighting ratified this as being true!

Madeleine McCanns body was handed over to Russell O'Brien through arrangements that were organised by Serge Malinka, who lived in an apartment close to where the Smith contingent saw O'Brien (who for one reason or another mistook him for Gerry McCann) carrying Madeleine's body in his arms!

By the time the Portuguese police arrived at the McCanns apartment, everyone involved, with the exception of the police officers who attended knew that by that stage, that Madeleine McCann was dead!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 09:32:PM
Russell O'Brien deposited Madeleine McCanns body inside the building, or the grounds of the derelict building situated across the street from the village church known as St Vincent's...

Later that night, he re-visited the body of Madeleine McCann (insitu) in the company of Gerry McCann, under the pretense that both of them had been out searching for Madeleine who might have wandered away from apartment 5A by her own steam!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2018, 10:03:PM
What is also now known, is that Robert Murat hired a motor vehicle from this car hire shop a few days after Madeleine McCann had been officially reported as missing, I believe the vehicle he hired on this occasion was a Gets model! At the time he organised the hiring of this car, he told the manageress that he needed to hire the car in question, because the family other the missing child were using his own car which had got posters taped to its windows as part of a campaign to promote Madeleine's plight!

So, the McCanns using one of Robert Murat's vehicles for publicity purposes!!

This was the same car hire shop that the McFlies used later on to hire the Renault Scenic inside which the cadaver and blood dogs reacted positively...

Close to vicinity of Church and Derelict Building, across the street from St Vincent's church where the McFlies sought refuge in the immediate aftermath of reporting Madeleine taken!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 31, 2018, 09:15:AM
The location of the car hire shop used by Robert Murat and the McFlies was about 50 metres away from the derelict building where the now famous ghost of Maddie photograph was taken by myself!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 31, 2018, 12:01:PM
At the beginning of their holiday, the McCanns were being used by the security services to trap known members of a peadophile ring / gang who were strongly suspected of abusing little children, chiefly belonging to tourists who visited the area!

But, the undercover Operation went tragically wrong on the afternoon of Tuesday  1st May 2007 at the lobster creche when one or more of the suspected gang members abducted or killed Madeleine McCann!

The Home Secretary of the day, Theresa May has a 200 page report which contained all the details of the tapas 9 group involvement in the operation, and detailing the true circumstances relating to the taking of Madeleine McCanns life and what took place at the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007, whilst 6 of the other children who had been booked into the creche that afternoon were down at the beach taking part in a sailing boat activity!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:27:AM
On two separate occasions something which Kate McCann said gives the game away - for example, upon returning to the restaurant around 10 o'clock on the evening of Thursday 3rd of May 2007, Kate is rumoured to have said (a) 'they have taken her, they have taken her, Madeleine is gone', and weeks later in a tv interview, she said the following, (b) 'that when the woman had Madeleine'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:33:AM
On two separate occasions something which Kate McCann said gives the game away - for example, upon returning to the restaurant around 10 o'clock on the evening of Thursday 3rd of May 2007, Kate is rumoured to have said (a) 'they have taken her, they have taken her, Madeleine is gone', and weeks later in a tv interview, she said the following, (b) 'that when the woman had Madeleine'..

Who were 'THEY' and which 'WOMAN' had taken Madeleine?

How was it possible, for Kate McCann to know 'THEY' had taken Madeleine so soon after supposedly discovering Madeleine missing from apartment 5A only minutes beforehand based on the narrative recited in the national and international media? Weeks later, Kate let it slip, that a 'WOMAN' had taken Madeleine..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:40:AM
Who were 'THEY' and which 'WOMAN' had taken Madeleine?

How was it possible, for Kate McCann to know 'THEY' had taken Madeleine so soon after supposedly discovering Madeleine missing from apartment 5A only minutes beforehand based on the narrative recited in the national and international media? Weeks later, Kate let it slip, that a 'WOMAN' had taken Madeleine..

Why had there been a change in emphasis, between the alleged involvement of 'THEY' into the 'WOMAN' within a matter of weeks? What did Kate McCann really know on the night Madeleine was reported to be missing? Furthermore, how could she know that a 'WOMAN' had taken her weeks afterwards?

She knew these things because something very sinister had occurred at the lobster creche on the Tuesday (1st May 2007) afternoon when someone walked off with Madeleine from the creche, on the pretence that they were taking Madeleine and the Carpenter child down to the beach to join the other six (6) children at the sailing club activity...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 08:01:AM
The reason why on the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007 that when Kate returned to the tapas restaurant to break the news that (a) 'they have taken her, they have taken her, Madeleine is gone' was because by that stage the McCanns knew by then that a man and a woman had been responsible for taking Madeleine from the lobster creche two days earlier (the two people concerned must have been the people linked to the Carpenter child who got booked into the lobster creche 10 minutes after Madeleine on that Tuesday afternoon, booked in by a man, but collected by a woman...

It's possible that when the Carpenter child got brought to the creche that the child was accompanied by a man and a woman...

For some reason, these two people were given the responsibility of taking the Carpenter child and Madeleine McCann down to the beach with a view of them joining the other six (6) children in that afternoons activity, but they never arrived there! The man and woman abducted Madeleine...

This was what the McCanns and their friends had known about from after the close of the lobster creche by 5.30pm on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007...

I believe that it was Fiona Payne who makes mention of the fact that Kate had asked her if she had seen Madeleine down on the beach at the sailing club activity, and Fiona Payne had said 'no' she hadn't...

By this stage, the McFlies and the rest of the group were referring to the sailing club activity down on the beach taking place on the Thursday afternoon (3rd May 2007), but it had taken place two days previously - Fiona Payne had not seen Madeleine McCann at that activity! This fits in with Madeleine vanishing at some point after 14.30hrs on the afternoon of Tuesday the 1st May when Gerry McCann deposited Madeleine at the lobster creche, and the commencement of the sailing boat activity down on the beach shortly afterwards. The alarm does not appear to have been raised until either Kate had bumped into her friend Fiona Payne during the middle of the afternoon and they spoke about the children enjoying the sailing club activity down on the beach, but that Madeleine wasn't there with the other children, or later on at the close of the lobster creche business at 5.30pm, when parents or guardians collected their children, or the creche nannies took children back to their parents or guardians!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 08:07:AM
The reason why on the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007 that when Kate returned to the tapas restaurant to break the news that (a) 'they have taken her, they have taken her, Madeleine is gone' was because by that stage the McCanns knew by then that a man and a woman had been responsible for taking Madeleine from the lobster creche two days earlier (the two people concerned must have been the people linked to the Carpenter child who got booked into the lobster creche 10 minutes after Madeleine on that Tuesday afternoon, booked in by a man, but collected by a woman...

It's possible that when the Carpenter child got brought to the creche that the child was accompanied by a man and a woman...

For some reason, these two people were given the responsibility of taking the Carpenter child and Madeleine McCann down to the beach with a view of them joining the other six (6) children in that afternoons activity, but they never arrived there! The man and woman abducted Madeleine...

This was what the McCanns and their friends had known about from after the close of the lobster creche by 5.30pm on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007...

I believe that it was Fiona Payne who makes mention of the fact that Kate had asked her if she had seen Madeleine down on the beach at the sailing club activity, and Fiona Payne had said 'no' she hadn't...

By this stage, the McFlies and the rest of the group were referring to the sailing club activity down on the beach taking place on the Thursday afternoon (3rd May 2007), but it had taken place two days previously - Fiona Payne had not seen Madeleine McCann at that activity! This fits in with Madeleine vanishing at some point after 14.30hrs on the afternoon of Tuesday the 1st May when Gerry McCann deposited Madeleine at the lobster creche, and the commencement of the sailing boat activity down on the beach shortly afterwards. The alarm does not appear to have been raised until either Kate had bumped into her friend Fiona Payne during the middle of the afternoon and they spoke about the children enjoying the sailing club activity down on the beach, but that Madeleine wasn't there with the other children, or later on at the close of the lobster creche business at 5.30pm, when parents or guardians collected their children, or the creche nannies took children back to their parents or guardians!

What we do know, is that in the early stages of the investigation that the Portuguese police were hunting a man and a woman who were travelling around Portugal in a Camper van, and that they could have been staying on a nearby gipsy camp site!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 08:14:AM
What we do know, is that in the early stages of the investigation that the Portuguese police were hunting a man and a woman who were travelling around Portugal in a Camper van, and that they could have been staying on a nearby gipsy camp site!

(1) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared

(2) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/795256/Madeleine-McCann-Maddie-mystery-latest-missing-phone-box-link-Portugal

(3) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-purple-prime-suspect-madeleine-10336719

(4) - https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/police-probing-madeleine-mccann-mystery-are-combing-bulgaria-for-links-to-woman-in-purple/news-story/9da0039cfb95f107fd4dc9f81e90ba6a
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 04:03:PM
What we do know, is that in the early stages of the investigation that the Portuguese police were hunting a man and a woman who were travelling around Portugal in a Camper van, and that they could have been staying on a nearby gipsy camp site!

Were the Carpenter contingent linked with the lobster creche incident on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 04:08:PM
I would like to see a clear copy of the damning lobster creche register for Tuesday afternoon, 1st May 2007, to see what exactly was recorded when the Carpenter child was booked in (14.40hrs)10 minutes after Madeleine (14.30hrs) was booked in:-

Can anyone decipher what is recorded in 'that' entry before somebody drew a line through it?

Does it read - 'Terry', or 'Jenny' Carpenter 'F POL'?

Does 'F POL' stand for Faro Police?


If it was the police, what were they doing at the Lobster creche, 10 minutes after Gerry McCann deposited Madeleine there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 04:20:PM
We need to find out all we can about this Carpenter person who was at the Lobster creche soon after Madeleine arrived there, because for one reason or another, this subject did not get signed out of the creche that afternoon, along with Madeleine!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 04:24:PM
We need to find out all we can about this Carpenter person who was at the Lobster creche soon after Madeleine arrived there, because for one reason or another, this subject did not get signed out of the creche that afternoon, along with Madeleine!!!

I have checked the other lobster creche records that are available which coincide with the dates before and after the 1st May 2007, looking for evidence of the Carpenter child being deposited or collected, but I can't seem to find any reference other than on that particular afternoon, whereas most of the other children have multiple entries!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 01, 2018, 04:48:PM
It just looks like some Carpenter person signed out. I suppose conspiracy theorists might claim the first word on the third column might look as if somebody had started to write "Madeleine" then crossed it out..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 06:15:PM
I have checked the other lobster creche records that are available which coincide with the dates before and after the 1st May 2007, looking for evidence of the Carpenter child being deposited or collected, but I can't seem to find any reference other than on that particular afternoon, whereas most of the other children have multiple entries!

A CARPENTER PERSON SIGNED IN - but did not sign out...

1st Column - name of Child
2nd Column - Apartment no.
3rd Column - Where parent / guardian can be contacted
4th Column - time Child deposited at creche
5th Column - Signature of person depositing Child
6th Column - time Child is collected from creche
7th Column - Signature of Person collecting Child

Nobody collected Madeleine McCann from the lobster creche on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007, and no-one signed her out!

This also applies to the Carpenter Child!

With Madeleine and the Carpenter child at the creche that afternoon, there were a total of 8 children, but only six (6) kids took part in the sailing club activity down at the beach ( 3 kids in two dungy's)! Fiona Payne stayed that Kate Healey asked her if she had seen Madeleine down at the beach at the sailing club activity event, and Fiona states that she told Kate, 'no'...

The McFlies have moved the sailing club activity from Tuesday 1st May 2007, to Thursday afternoon on the 3rd May 2007, to try to make it appear that Madeleine was still alive two days after the date she was probably abducted and or killed, or had died...

Sailing Club Activity was Tuesday afternoon, not Thursday Afternoon!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 06:41:PM
If Madeleine didn't die at the creche that afternoon, everything points to somebody taking her out of the creche on the pretence of taking her to the sailing Club Activity down on the beach that Tuesday afternoon, but whoever took her from the creche did not take her there, but abducted her! It is known that Madeleine McCann did not attend the sailing club activity on the beach that afternoon, because Kate's best friend Fiona Payne told Kate that Madeleine wasn't at the beach with the other kids at the time of the sailing club activity!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 06:42:PM
If Madeleine didn't die at the creche that afternoon, everything points to somebody taking her out of the creche on the pretence of taking her to the sailing Club Activity down on the beach that Tuesday afternoon, but whoever took her from the creche did not take her there, but abducted her! It is known that Madeleine McCann did not attend the sailing club activity on the beach that afternoon, because Kate's best friend Fiona Payne told Kate that Madeleine wasn't at the beach with the other kids at the time of the sailing club activity!

Who collected Madeleine McCann?

Afternoon, Tuesday, 1st May 2007?

Who handed Madeleine over?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 01, 2018, 06:58:PM
Well it was someone who obviously knew they were leaving for the UK next day so had to act quickly.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:25:PM
Well it was someone who obviously knew they were leaving for the UK next day so had to act quickly.

The Carpenters gave some useful information to the police, concerning what someone was saying whilst they were crossing the road outside the reception at between 9.15am and 9.30am, a voice was overheard calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', which occurred after Gerry McCanns 9.05pm check, and Russel O'Brien and Matt Oldfields 9.30pm check! I find this a staggering piece of evidence, since it suggests that Madeleine might still have been alive by that stage! But rather more importantly, someone who knew Madeleine, and who Madeleine herself must also have known, was calling out Madeleine's name, twice!

Setting aside, all other scenarios for the time being, and now basing a new theorey on the strength of this previously unheard about testimony, we have someone who knew Madeleine talking to her at a pivotal moment that Thursday evening, between 9.15pm and 9.30pm...

It's possible, that this recognition of the name of Madeleine, and Madeleine being called out, coincided with the 9.30pm check made by Russell O'Brien and Matt Oldfield! This (if true) makes one or other, or both prime suspects involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from the apartment (5A) that Thursday Evening!

'Madeleine, Madeleine'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:32:PM
Here's the relevant extract from Stephen Carpenters witness statement:-

WOW !!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:35:PM
Russel O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, and or David Payne...
'Madeleine, Madeleine'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:44:PM
If Stephen Carpenters wife did overhear Madeleine's name being repeated as they left the tapas restaurant between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, it's odds on that somebody who knew Madeleine was calling out her name to try to make her leave the apartment, either by the patio door on the poolside of the apartment, or by the door on the roadside of the apartment! It is very disturbing that nobody has mentioned the carpenter couple and their children at the tapas bar that evening, and that no-one saw them leaving, and no-one saw them in the street crossing over the road below the McCann Apartment! Furthermore, they didn't see anyone else in the street on their way to their apartment which was located not far from Robert Murat's mother's villa - no Gerry McCann and Jez, no Jane Tanner, and no Russel O'BRIEN, or Mathew OLDFIELD?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 07:55:PM
'TANNER MAN' - had long since walked across the top of the road, as seen by Jane Tanner carrying a child in his arms, by the time the Carpenter Couple and children crossed the road close to apartment 5A, and the fact that Carpenters wife had heard someone call out and repeat the name
'Madeleine, Madeleine'
suggests that the man that Jane Tanner says she had seen crossing the top of the road carrying a child, could not have been Madeleine, because Madeleine was still in the vicinity of apartment 5A when the Carpenter couple with their two kids left the tapas restaurant and crossed the street on their way back to their apartment!

Is it just a coincidence that the man Jane Tanner had seen was walking toward the general direction of where Robert Murat and the Carpenters were in residence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 08:08:PM
'TANNER MAN' - had long since walked across the top of the road, as seen by Jane Tanner carrying a child in his arms, by the time the Carpenter Couple and children crossed the road close to apartment 5A, and the fact that Carpenters wife had heard someone call out and repeat the name
'Madeleine, Madeleine'
suggests that the man that Jane Tanner says she had seen crossing the top of the road carrying a child, could not have been Madeleine, because Madeleine was still in the vicinity of apartment 5A when the Carpenter couple with their two kids left the tapas restaurant and crossed the street on their way back to their apartment!

Is it just a coincidence that the man Jane Tanner had seen was walking toward the general direction of where Robert Murat and the Carpenters were in residence?

This moves me on, to a line of enquiry which the Portuguese police tried to pursue, involving a mystery couple who were believed to have entered apartment 5A on the previous evening (Wednesday 2nd May 2007) in response to Madeleine having been crying non stop for over an hour, when her parents were absent, out galavanting, wining and dining?

Are the Carpenters the couple who entered apartment 5A on the evening before the 3rd May2007, and of which Madeleine had spoken about to Kate on the following morning?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 08:11:PM
I find it extremely odd, that nobody mentions the Carpenter couple and their kids at the tapas bar, at all on any day or night, particularly on the night Madeleine is supposed to have gone missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 08:33:PM
I find it extremely odd, that nobody mentions the Carpenter couple and their kids at the tapas bar, at all on any day or night, particularly on the night Madeleine is supposed to have gone missing?

Here's his statement - please read it's contents very carefully, because if the parents had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance then I believe we may be on the verge of a significant break through!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 08:41:PM
Stephen Carpenter knew all the main characters in the Madeleine McCann disappearance saga, yet nobody mentions him!

I wonder what he looks like?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 09:00:PM
Who was calling out to Madeleine McCann between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, in the vicinity of apartment 5A on that Thursday evening?

Who was not at the tapas bar around this period (other than the carpenter couple and their children)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 09:04:PM
Who was calling out to Madeleine McCann between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, in the vicinity of apartment 5A on that Thursday evening?

Who was not at the tapas bar around this period (other than the carpenter couple and their children)?

Gerry McCann?
Jane Tanner?
David Payne?
Russell O'Brien?
Mathew Oldfield?
Fiona Payne?

None of the tapas 9 mention having spoken or called out Madeleine McCanns name at the time they did their checks of apartment 5A...

But...

Could they be lying?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 09:06:PM
Gerry McCann?
Jane Tanner?
David Payne?
Russell O'Brien?
Mathew Oldfield?
Fiona Payne?

None of the tapas 9 mention having spoken or called out Madeleine McCanns name at the time they did their checks of apartment 5A...

But...

Could they be lying?

Alternatively, could the Carpenter couple, or one of them be responsible for abducting Madeleine and killing her before flying back to the UK?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 09:09:PM
Did something happen between either one of the McCanns, their children, and the Carpenters and their children, which could have upset the Carpenters during that holiday?

When Kate McCann returned to the tapas restaurant shouting, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Madeleine is gone', was she referring to the Carpenter couple who she thought might have taken Madeleine?

Did Kate know that the couple had entered their apartment on the previous evening to Madeleine's reported disappearance, when to all intents and purposes Madeleine had been crying for over an hour or more?

Was Mrs Carpenter, the mysterious woman dress in purple, who was seen standing on the pavement on the opposite side of the road staring at the McCann Apartment at around 8pm on that Thursday evening, as spotted by Robert Murat's mother who had gone to the local shop to get supplies at that time? Of course, the McCanns had not left their apartment by that time and did not leave there until around 8.30pm - but was Mrs Carpenter that woman anxiously waiting to see if the McCann parents were leaving their children unsupervised?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2018, 09:32:PM
There's something wrong with what Stephen John Carpenter said in his witness statement, which raises a red flag - for example, he states that on the 3rd may 2007 that he, his wife and two children attended the tapas restaurant, but the restaurant log only confirms that he and his wife attended the tapas restaurant on that evening!!!

Carpenters used the Evening Babysitter service - Clue
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 08:33:AM
Why has Stephen Carpenter made a false witness statement saying that on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, that he had his wife had taken their two children out for evening meal at 7pm onwards, when the tapas restaurant register only shows there were 2 of them booked in for a meal that particular evening? In a part of his witness statement he confirms that in the evenings when he and his wife went out that they used the babysitter service, consisting of three English speaking babysitters (Pauline, Emma and Leanne)...

A Huge Red FLAG raises itself here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 08:40:AM
Only 2 present at Tapas Restaurant (Carpenters)

Stephen Carpenter got the other facts right concerning the other customers who ate out at the restaurant that evening, including how many children these other guest had got with them, but the Carpenter children were not present on that occasion or it would have been documented in the register alongside their name! Instead of it being 2, it would have been recorded as 2 + 2..

Carpenters must have used the babysitter services that evening, or left their children 'home alone' or with an accomplice!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 08:51:AM
I am now going to look for any witness statements made by either of the three English speaking babysitters (Pauline, Emma and Leanne) to find out if anyone of them can shed some more light on this part of the case?

WOW!!!

I wonder 'if' Pauline McCann is a distant relative of either The McCanns, or the owner of apartment 5A who is also named McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:16:AM
Just to recap before I drove into their witness statements and backgrounds...

Stephen John Carpenter introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, he played tennis with the McCann parents, his daughter visited the lobster creche on only one occasion, that was on Tuesday 1st May 2007, he or his wife booked their three and a half year old daughter into the creche that afternoon 10 minutes behind Gerry mcCann taking Madeleine mcCann there! But for some reason their daughters name (the Carpenters) got scribbled out maybe almost as quickly as it had been entered. In other words the Carpenters changed their minds about leaving their daughter with the creche nannies who were going to the beach to take part in the sailing boat activity! Could this be construed as forming some sort of evidence that the carpenters had been watching the McCann's and their children, prior to Madeleine being reported as missing later on in the week? Stephen Carpenters apartment backed into the Murat residence and spoke to him about Murat's three and a half year old daughter that he had got back in the UK! Carpenter, Murat and the McCanns had something in common, they all had a daughter aged about three years and a half! Stephen Carpenter has lied about who he was with at the Tapas Restaurant on Thursday 3rd May 2007 from 7pm, onwards - he was there with his wife, not there with his two children. They left the tapas bar at somewhere between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, his wife heard someone calling out Madeleine's name twice as they crossed the road to go to their apartment nearby!

Alarm, Alarm, Alarm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:22:AM
Scotland yard and the Portuguese police need to arrest Stephen John Carpenter and his wife immediately!

The apartment they had been staying in at the Ocean club needs to be seized and sealed off, and a thorough scenes of crime examination made of the premises! Furthermore, considering the evidence of Kruggel who believes that his ground machine detected what could be the remains of a small child's body buried beneath the Murat driveway which wasn't put down until months after Madeleine's disappearance, the fact that Murat's driveway was right next door to the apartment where the Carpenters were staying at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, and the fact that the carpenters may have returned to the resort and stayed in the same apartment cannot be underestimated!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:24:AM
Scotland yard and the Portuguese police need to arrest Stephen John Carpenter and his wife immediately!

The apartment they had been staying in at the Ocean club needs to be seized and sealed off, and a thorough scenes of crime examination made of the premises! Furthermore, considering the evidence of Kruggel who believes that his ground machine detected what could be the remains of a small child's body buried beneath the Murat driveway which wasn't put down until months after Madeleine's disappearance, the fact that Murat's driveway was right next door to the apartment where the Carpenters were staying at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, and the fact that the carpenters may have returned to the resort and stayed in the same apartment cannot be underestimated!

If the McCanns themselves and their friends were not involved in Madeleine's demise, then the abductor has got to have been the Carpenters!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:37:AM
The Carpenters must have been keeping a watch on the McCann parents routine..

Hence, why on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, the Carpenters left the tapas bar inbetween the checks that were made by Gerry McCann and the next check made by Russell O'BRIEN and Matt Oldfield...

It must have been the Carpenters who took Madeleine from Apartment 5A, they would have known through observing the parents that they left their apartment by the patio door which they could not lock from the outside! From their vantage point at their pre-booked table at the tapas restaurant they can see the McCann parents leaving their apartment by the sliding patio door! Thereafter, it was just a case of waiting for the McCanns to arrive for them evening meal, and taking note of the interval between the time when cheques were going to be made I'm checking their children back in Apartment 5A, which provided a window of opportunity The Carpenter's to slip into the apartment and abduct Madeleine either before Russell O'Brien and Matt Oldfield did their 9: 30 pm Check, or immediately afterwards, but certainly before Kate McCann did her 10 pm Check...

I believe that the reference by Stephen Carpenter to his wife having heard someone call out the name 'Madeleine, Madeleine', could be reference to overhearing himself saying the child's name as he coaxed her out of the apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:39:AM
If the parents were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance, I believe that I have solved the mystery of the case, supported by hard circumstantial evidence as outlined by me here!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:50:AM
The Baby sitters mentioned by Stephen Carpenter:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 02, 2018, 12:12:PM
But what is the motive of the Carpenters?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 01:44:PM
But what is the motive of the Carpenters?

There must have been some altercation of sorts involving the McCanns and the Carpenters - I think it may have started over the booking of the tables in the tapas restaurant, night after night at 8.30pm! I know it may not sound much of a reason for someone to abduct somebody else's child, and probably kill a child, but this is a starting point for which the Portuguese police and Scotland yard to investigate!

I think there is mounting circumstantial evidence pointing toward a possible involvement of the Carpenters in Madeleine McCanns abduction, disappearance, and her murder!

I want to know why Stephen John Carpenters wife has not made a witness statement, or been interviewed by either the Portuguese and UK police! Afterall, it was she who heard someone calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine' as the couple crossed the street after leaving the tapas bar reception entrance downhill of the McCann Apartment (5A) between 9.15pm and 9.30pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007!

They are the last couple to have had any sort of contact with either Madeleine's abductor(s), or Madeleine herself albeit indirectly having observed / overheard 'Madeleine, Madeleine' being called out!

This is important evidence, because not even the parents said that they had cause to speak to Madeleine when they had left the apartment (5A) to go for evening meal and drinks at the nearby restaurant - the parents state that all three siblings had been fast asleep before they left at 8.30pm by the poolside patio door!

Gerry McCann did not have cause to call out Madeleine's name (twice) during his 9.05pm check, and according to Russell O'BRIEN, and Mathew Oldfield, when they had done their 9.30pm check, neither of them had had cause to mention or to call out Madeleines name twice in accordance with what Stephen John Carpenter said his wife had heard being recited...

This tells me that the Carpenters knew more than they have thus far let on...

And, I believe there are strong grounds for one or other of them, or both parents having something to do with Madeleine's disappearance!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 01:52:PM
Here, look at this...

Why is there 1/2 hour difference in the timed narrative when compared against the tapas nine version of the events?

There was a condition at 21.20hrs, concerning the fact that a child had gone missing?

Later, when the witness had cause to pass through that part of the restaurant where the couple's had been sitting, he was told that a child belonging to one of those couple's had gone missing (21.40hrs) - but if this were true Kate Healey had not yet even been back to the apartment at that stage, and would not return there until some 20 minutes after the restaurant chef claims he knew about the missing child!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 02, 2018, 01:56:PM
I don't know whether Stephen Carpenter had time to abduct Madeleine, dispose of the body, all with his wife in situ..https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-eight-independent-alarm-witnesses.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 02:37:PM
I don't know whether Stephen Carpenter had time to abduct Madeleine, dispose of the body, all with his wife in situ..https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-eight-independent-alarm-witnesses.html

The Carpenters didn't have their children with them when they booked the table at 7pm for their evening meal, the restaurant register confirms this not to be true, there were only 2 members of the carpenter family in the tapas restaurant that evening, and Stephen Carpenter and his wife dined one and a half hours prior to Kate and Gerry McCann leaving their apartment by the patio door on the poolside of the apartment, something which from the vantage point of their table in the tapas restaurant the Carpenter couple would easily have been able to observe!

Take the Carpenter children out of the equation altogether, as though they were never there with the Carpenters on that occasion. Let's just say, they either left their kids at home alone, or they made arrangements for somebody to keep an eye on them that evening! I am satisfied that the carpenter children were not at the tapas bar on that second occasion that the Carpenters visited the tapas bar/ restaurant that evening! On tge first occasion they would have attended high tea, went back to their apartment and after making arrangements for their two children to be looked after (or simply left home alone) the Carpenters went out on their own to dine back at the tapas bar from 7pm onward...

Their position at their table afforded them a bird's eye view of the patio door on the poolside of the apartment block where the McCann's and children were staying!

I am not suggesting that they sat there throughout the whole of the next hour and a half waiting to see if the McCanns left their apartment by that patio door, since I am mindful of Robert Murat's mother seeing a woman who was dressed in plum purple standing on the pavement on the opposite side of the street to where the gated concrete steps lead up to the veranda belonging to the patio doors of the McCanns apartment! I have good reason to believe that the woman whom Mrs Murat had seen standing there at about 8pm (half an hour before the McCanns actually left there apartment at 8.30pm) was none other than Stephen Carpentes wife. She may well have been stood there intending to confront the McCanns about leaving three young children alone I an unlocked apartment, as a result of the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying for about an hour whilst their parents were out and about gallavanting - I believe that it was the Carpenters who had entered the mcCanns apartment on the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying, and that Mrs Carpenter had decided to confront the McCann parents if she caught them slipping out of their apartment when she was stood there in the street!

However, she must have got fed up of waiting, or that she would return to the table where her husband was still sitting, and observe the patio door of the mcCann apartment from that vantage point!

After the arrival of Kate and Gerry at the pre-booked dinner table at 8.30pm, it might have been the case that the carpenters hadn't caught the McCann parents leaving their apartment by the patio door on the poolside of their apartment! This might have been the case because at around 9.00 O'clock when Gerry McCann got up from the table to go and do his check, he entered the apartment by the road side door, suggesting that on this particular evening the McCanns might have locked their children in! Nevertheless, all such thoughts must have been dispelled from their minds when at about 9.30pm, Russell O'BRIEN and Mathew Oldfield got up from the table at the tapas restaurant and volunteered to check on the McCann kids, since from their vantage point at their dining table, they then saw the two volunteers slide open the patio door and enter, only to exit moments later and pulling the sliding patio door closed, before walking off the veranda, down the concrete steps and out of sight!

I am convinced that the CARPENTER COUPLE, observed the O'Brien/Odfield check of apartment 5A, and that soon after one of them returned back to the restaurant, having heard one of the two volunteers say that everything was fine back inside the McCann Apartment, and that the reason why Russell had not come back was because his daughter was sick and he had stayed with her, I think the Carpenters took the opportunity to leave the tapas restaurant, and that between them they abducted Madeleine from the mcCann apartment, in the following manner:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 02:44:PM

I am convinced that the CARPENTER COUPLE, observed the O'Brien/Odfield check of apartment 5A, and that soon after one of them returned back to the restaurant, having heard one of the two volunteers say that everything was fine back inside the McCann Apartment, and that the reason why Russell had not come back was because his daughter was sick and he had stayed with her, I think the Carpenters took the opportunity to leave the tapas restaurant, and that between them they abducted Madeleine from the mcCann apartment, in the following manner:-

The husband entered apartment 5A via the sliding patio door, in the knowledge that his wife was on the opposite side of the apartment (on the roadside part of the apartment where the car park is situated) and that he opened the curtains of the children's bedroom window, he then slide open the window, and he physically raised the steel shutter, and once he had picked up Madeleine's body, he handed her out to his wife who was stood outside the bedroom window, and then he himself climbed out of the same window, or he left by either the roadside door which could be unlocked and opened without a key to let himself out, or by the poolside patio door the way he had entered earlier!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 02:49:PM
It is also possible, that after the arrival of the McCann parents at their pre-booked table by 8.30pm, that one or other Carpenter overheard snippets of conversation being spoken about amongst the group of the so called tapas nine group! In particular a conversation that Kate Healey and Fiona Payne were having regarding the crying episode of Madeleine and Sean the evening before, as mentioned by Madeleine herself to Kate that Thursday Morning!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 02:54:PM
It is also possible, that after the arrival of the McCann parents at their pre-booked table by 8.30pm, that one or other Carpenter overheard snippets of conversation being spoken about amongst the group of the so called tapas nine group! In particular a conversation that Kate Healey and Fiona Payne were having regarding the crying episode of Madeleine and Sean the evening before, as mentioned by Madeleine herself to Kate that Thursday Morning!

Now, had the carpenters been the couple who had entered the apartment on the previous evening to try and deal with Madeleine and Sean crying, it could have been the trigger which caused them to go and get Madeleine McCann and get rid of her, because she could technically have been capable of telling the McCann parents, that they had entered the McCann Apartment on that occasion without anyone's consent or permission, nor had they confided in the parents, or confronted them verbally about the fact that they had left there children 'home alone' so to speak!

This reason alone could have been the motive for abducting Madeleine McCann!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 02:58:PM
It may well be the case, that when disturbing Madeleine in her bed and lifting her out of the bedroom window, that he (Stephen John Carpenter) himself had tried to calm the awakening child by pacifying her by saying to her, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', which was what his wife would remember...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:06:PM
I really do feel, that the business of Carpenters wife supposedly hearing someone saying, or calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', so soon after the carpenters had left the tapas restaurant reception area, (between 9.15pm and 9.30pm) lies at the heart of this mystery!

It isn't the McCann parents, or any of their group who is / was responsible for Madeleine McCanns demise, and it wasn't / isn't anything to do with the Carpenter couple, then at the very least here we have a piece of highly significant circumstantial evidence, of a voice calling out Madeleine McCanns name, not once, but at least twice, signifying that the person who took Madeleine knew her, and that the person who spoke was known to Madeleine - in other words, Madeleine McCann was not abducted by any stranger, if she was taken she was taken by somebody who knew her, or as the case may be, who had comforted her during the previous evenings trauma!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:10:PM
I am also a little concerned about the restaurant chefs account which states that at 21.20hrs he heard a commotion which involved dome suggestion or other that a child might be missing?

Did, for example, the chef overhear the Carpenters talking about a child that was going to be reported as missing, rather than a child who had gone missing at all by that stage?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:12:PM
I would like to know what clothing Mrs Carpenter wore to their 7pm evening meal at the tapas restaurant on that Thursday evening (for 2 persons, not 4)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:13:PM
I would like to know what clothing Mrs Carpenter wore to their 7pm evening meal at the tapas restaurant on that Thursday evening (for 2 persons, not 4)?

I have a hunch that she was dressed in a plum purple outfit!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:16:PM
I have a hunch that she was dressed in a plum purple outfit!

Failing that / this, could that woman have been one of the so-called tapas nine group?

What outfit did Kate McCann herself wear that evening?

What about Fiona Payne?

What about Jane Tanner?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:18:PM
Something else that I have my doubts about - since Stephen Carpenter had been to the resort previously, I do not believe for one moment that he only met Robert Murat on the morning after Madeleine McCann was reported to be missing!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:19:PM
Something else that I have my doubts about - since Stephen Carpenter had been to the resort previously, I do not believe for one moment that he only met Robert Murat on the morning after Madeleine McCann was reported to be missing!

Carpenter knew Murat, and vice versa, before that holiday took place, I'm sure about it!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 02, 2018, 03:25:PM
Still it's rather drastic action to say the least in abducting a child simply because the two couples had had an altercation the previous evening. Do we know anything about the background of the Carpenters?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:28:PM
Phone records might hold the key, and internet connectivity!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:31:PM
Still it's rather drastic action to say the least in abducting a child simply because the two couples had had an altercation the previous evening. Do we know anything about the background of the Carpenters?

The abduction of anybody, and the killing of anybody comes about as a result of drastic action, it happens all over the world every minute of every day! There's no telling what can send somebody over the edge!

I'm still researching Carpenter, he is currently living in Stevenage, with three other people...

Telford Ave
Stevenage...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 02, 2018, 03:33:PM
Carpenter knew Murat, and vice versa, before that holiday took place, I'm sure about it!
Stephen Carpenter introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:36:PM
Stephen Carpenter introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann.

Yes, that's what Stephen Carpenter says in his statement, but I think it was long before Madeleine went missing!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:40:PM
It would be interesting to find out if Carpenter stayed in the same apartment each and every time he's been there, or been back there since!

The location of that apartment next door to Robert Murat's mother's apartment seems somewhat significant to me!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:43:PM
It would be interesting to find out if Carpenter stayed in the same apartment each and every time he's been there, or been back there since!

The location of that apartment next door to Robert Murat's mother's apartment seems somewhat significant to me!

I wonder which building contractor laid the new drive at Mrs Murat's villa 10 months after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? I wonder if Stephen Carpenter had anything to do with it, or if he was out there on holiday at any stage when the work was being carried out?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 03:44:PM
I would also be interested to learn of any hire car that the carpenters had access to, or use of at around the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 08:56:PM
The signing in of the Carpe Ter child, on the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007 at 14.40hrs ( 10 minutes behind Madeleine McCann) is somewhat significant I would suggest, because it places the Carpenter family behind whatever and wherever the McCanns and their children went, or did!

Because the Carpenter child's name was scored through, it appears to me that once they had booked their child in after Madeleine, they took her back out straight away without signing for her return or the hand back!

This may prove costly to the Carpenters, because it suggests amongst other things that they could have been stalking the McCanns from the early part of the holiday!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 08:56:PM
There are all sorts of things to consider...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 08:57:PM
There are all sorts of things to consider...

Some bizarre ideas but nevertheless each one should not be discounted:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:05:PM
Some bizarre ideas but nevertheless each one should not be discounted:-

(1) - were /are the Carpenters linked to a child abduction gang operating in the Algarth? Did they take Maddie because someone ordered her after seeing photographs of her?

(2) - were / did the Carpenters take and then kill Madeleine as some sort of revenge for some altercation or other disagreement or conflict between both sets of parents somewhere during the holiday?

(3) - did their own three and a half year old child die during the holiday, and did the Carpenters take Madeleine in the child's place, after disposing of their own child's body? Is Madeleine, in fact living with the Carpenter / Heath family in Stevenage, with Madeleine living under their child's identity?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:07:PM
I would like to see an image of Stephen John Carpenter to see if he could have been mistaken for somebody else? For example, Gerry McCann or Robert Murat?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:08:PM
I would like to see an image of Stephen John Carpenter to see if he could have been mistaken for somebody else? For example, Gerry McCann or Robert Murat?

For obvious reasons..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:12:PM
(1) - were /are the Carpenters linked to a child abduction gang operating in the Algarth? Did they take Maddie because someone ordered her after seeing photographs of her?

(2) - were / did the Carpenters take and then kill Madeleine as some sort of revenge for some altercation or other disagreement or conflict between both sets of parents somewhere during the holiday?

(3) - did their own three and a half year old child die during the holiday, and did the Carpenters take Madeleine in the child's place, after disposing of their own child's body? Is Madeleine, in fact living with the Carpenter / Heath family in Stevenage, with Madeleine living under their child's identity?

Was the couple who were overheard claiming that their child had gone missing, at 21.20hrs at the tapas restaurant as spoken about by a chef who worked there, in fact the Carpenter parents, who by whatever means had found their own three and a half year old child missing, and did they think the McCanns had something to do with it, and was this the motive for them taking Madeleine in retaliation?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:15:PM
Was the couple who were overheard claiming that their child had gone missing, at 21.20hrs at the tapas restaurant as spoken about by a chef who worked there, in fact the Carpenter parents, who by whatever means had found their own three and a half year old child missing, and did they think the McCanns had something to do with it, and was this the motive for them taking Madeleine in retaliation?

Had in fact their own child wandered off after awakening after the Carpenters went to their 7pm dining appointment? Only to be found safe and well, but by that stage the Carpenters could have had Madeleine McCann under their control!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:17:PM
By the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, Robert Murat was back in town!

Remember, he had an underground chamber kitted out underneath his mother's villa, was Madeleine handed over to Robert Murat after the Carpenters abducted her and kept there overnight, or for several days or nights?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 09:31:PM
I am still convinced that Madeleine McCanns remains found their way to the derelict building down near to the village church, St Vincent's, and that for a short while (if not permanently) was buried there in the grounds of the rear garden, in a shallow grave inside a hollow!

The clothing that I photographed which I had found concealed in a plastic bag, was the clothing worn by one of the people involved in Madeleine McCanns abduction and disappearance...

I was wondering if any photographs of any member of the tapas nine group, or Robert Murat or Stephen John Carpenter exist which show them wearing the discarded clothing I found in the derelict building?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 02, 2018, 09:59:PM
(1) - were /are the Carpenters linked to a child abduction gang operating in the Algarth? Did they take Maddie because someone ordered her after seeing photographs of her?

(2) - were / did the Carpenters take and then kill Madeleine as some sort of revenge for some altercation or other disagreement or conflict between both sets of parents somewhere during the holiday?

(3) - did their own three and a half year old child die during the holiday, and did the Carpenters take Madeleine in the child's place, after disposing of their own child's body? Is Madeleine, in fact living with the Carpenter / Heath family in Stevenage, with Madeleine living under their child's identity?
The unique thing about Madeleine was some kind of mark in her eye. I don't know the technical word for it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 10:44:PM
The unique thing about Madeleine was some kind of mark in her eye. I don't know the technical word for it.

I was speaking to my sister about the relevance of the particular mark. I don't know if you are aware of not, but she is a published author, she has had a book published entitled 'Grass, and then there were trees', it's about her life having met with, and who cohabited with A police informer, who worked undercover in drug and peadophile Operations. In her book she refers to me as 'Spring heeled Jack', to another half brother of mine, as Napoleon, and to the dastardly Informant  (Godfrey Lewis) as Fred West!

Anyway, we were only talking about this mark that Madeleine had in one of her eyes, and my sister made a suggestion which got me thinking!

She said it might have been necessary for whoever had got got Madeleine, to change that unique eye of hers, by giving her a new eye!

Well, You could have knocked me over with a feather!

Of course, all the international and national and local supermarkets have spare eyes for sale! Asda, Morrisons, Aldi, Tesco and Liddl but to name a few (30% discount if you purchase your replacement eye before the 1st September, or your money back)! But to be honest, I have no idea if it's possible, or practical for someone to have an eyeball replacement, I mean is there such experts in the world capable of such an undertaking?

In response, I said it might be possible to disguise that distinctive mark by using contact lenses!

Anyway, I left the matter there, insisting that I would try to find out everything I could about that possibility!

But...

Where to begin?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 10:49:PM
I was speaking to my sister about the relevance of the particular mark. I don't know if you are aware of not, but she is a published author, she has had a book published entitled 'Grass, and then there were trees', it's about her life having met with, and who cohabited with A police informer, who worked undercover in drug and peadophile Operations. In her book she refers to me as 'Spring heeled Jack', to another half brother of mine, as Napoleon, and to the dastardly Informant  (Godfrey Lewis) as Fred West!

Anyway, we were only talking about this mark that Madeleine had in one of her eyes, and my sister made a suggestion which got me thinking!

She said it might have been necessary for whoever had got got Madeleine, to change that unique eye of hers, by giving her a new eye!

Well, You could have knocked me over with a feather!

Of course, all the international and national and local supermarkets have spare eyes for sale! Asda, Morrisons, Aldi, Tesco and Liddl but to name a few (30% discount if you purchase your replacement eye before the 1st September, or your money back)! But to be honest, I have no idea if it's possible, or practical for someone to have an eyeball replacement, I mean is there such experts in the world capable of such an undertaking?

In response, I said it might be possible to disguise that distinctive mark by using contact lenses!

Anyway, I left the matter there, insisting that I would try to find out everything I could about that possibility!

But...

Where to begin?

Pardon the pun, but I promised my sister (Christine) that 'I would look into it', and 'see what I could find out'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 10:52:PM
I don't suppose anyone is the slightest bit interested in why my sister  (author's name Krhisha Stanworth) dubbed me, 'Spring heeled Jack'?

Oh well, never mind about that!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 10:54:PM
I would be interested to learn about anything to do with changing sonebodies eyeball, or getting rid of the kind of distinctive mark which Madeleine had in one of her eyes!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 10:55:PM
I would be interested to learn about anything to do with changing sonebodies eyeball, or getting rid of the kind of distinctive mark which Madeleine had in one of her eyes!

I think I'll do an instant search on Google, so hang fire!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 10:58:PM
 :o
I think I'll do an instant search on Google, so hang fire!

Gosh, that didn't take long to find an answer...

Seems like you can change the colour of your eye, permanently, or temporarily, by using contact lenses in the latter example!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:02:PM
I don't think it would be a cheap option, to change sonebodies eye colour permanently, but it looks like it would be possible to overcome the problem that Madeleine mcCann had in one of her eyes!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:04:PM
I don't think it would be a cheap option, to change sonebodies eye colour permanently, but it looks like it would be possible to overcome the problem that Madeleine mcCann had in one of her eyes!

But..

Would any would be abductor be prepared to pay the going rate to have that operation, if they only found out when it was too late, that one of Madeleine mcCanns eyes was somewhat unique?

Or, would such a discovery, leave Madeleine to a fate worse than death, or death itself?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:07:PM
I can't see anyone going to the trouble of forking out thousands of pounds, or US dollars, and risking being found out, for the sake of getting one of Madeleines eyes changed permanently, it would be a lot less trouble for any would be abductor to simply terminate Madeleine's life!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:11:PM
I can't see anyone going to the trouble of forking out thousands of pounds, or US dollars, and risking being found out, for the sake of getting one of Madeleines eyes changed permanently, it would be a lot less trouble for any would be abductor to simply terminate Madeleine's life!

And, for what it's worth, I don't think for one moment that if Madeleine was abducted, that the abductor, or abductors were eye specialists by trade..

It's the odd eye that is the problem, since it makes out the case for easy recognition...

If the abductor or abductors try to get one or both of Madeleine's eyeballs changed, they would be taking a huge gamble, that in my opinion would not be worth taking, not by anyone, or by anybodies standards!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:15:PM
It seems so obvious to me, that once any abductor realised the significance of one of Madeleine McCanns eyes, that they would have regarded Madeleine McCann as a liability! A liability not worth taking any risks over...

I feel sure that in such circumstances, the way forward from any would be abductor would be to terminate the life of the abducted child!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:16:PM
It seems so obvious to me, that once any abductor realised the significance of one of Madeleine McCanns eyes, that they would have regarded Madeleine McCann as a liability! A liability not worth taking any risks over...

I feel sure that in such circumstances, the way forward from any would be abductor would be to terminate the life of the abducted child!

I know it sounds so awful when I write about it, but this is what I feel any abductor would do, if they didn't intend to kill her anyway!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:23:PM
The statement of Stephen John Carpenter regarding his visit to the tapas restaurant at 7pm onwards on that Thursday 3rd May 2007, is very worrying indeed! Since, it places him in a unique position to be able to observe the McCann parents leaving their children unsupervised inside apartment 5A, after they left by the sliding patio door, a view visible from the table at which the carpenters were sitting right up to the arrival of Kate and Gerry McCann at 8.30pm, and beyond!

If we accept that Stephen Carpenter and his wife left the tapas restaurant sometime between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, this gives the Carpenters at least 45 minutes to an hour to observe the McCanns behaviour, involving the intervals at which regular checks were being made on their 'home alone' three siblings!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:33:PM
We have been hearing all sorts of scenarios from the police in recent times regarding the possibility that Madeleine's abductor, or abductors had had the family under constant surveillance leading up to Madeleine McCanns disappearance, and that the abductor may have been making note of the McCann family routine - well, the Carpenter couple certainly fit the bill in that respect! They played tennis with one or other, or both of the McCann parents, they went to the lobster creche on one occasion only (that was on Tuesday 1st May 2007) and they were dining at the tapas restaurant from 7pm on the evening that Madeleine went missing, and stayed to around 9.30pm at the latest, giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to see the intervals in play between the checks that were being made on the three vulnerable children the mcCanns had left unsupervised inside apartment 5A..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 02, 2018, 11:47:PM
We have been hearing all sorts of scenarios from the police in recent times regarding the possibility that Madeleine's abductor, or abductors had had the family under constant surveillance leading up to Madeleine McCanns disappearance, and that the abductor may have been making note of the McCann family routine - well, the Carpenter couple certainly fit the bill in that respect! They played tennis with one or other, or both of the McCann parents, they went to the lobster creche on one occasion only (that was on Tuesday 1st May 2007) and they were dining at the tapas restaurant from 7pm on the evening that Madeleine went missing, and stayed to around 9.30pm at the latest, giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to see the intervals in play between the checks that were being made on the three vulnerable children the mcCanns had left unsupervised inside apartment 5A..

Rather astonishingly, none of the tapas nine group make mention of the Carpenters by name, or the fact that sometime between 9.15pm and 9 .30pm, the Carpenters left the tapas restaurant! Instead, we hear about Gerry McCanns 9.05pm check on his siblings, him speaking to Jez in the street after he left apartment 5A, Jane Tanner wandering out and she seeing Gerry mcCann talking to Jez, but oddly enough with not the slightest mention of them having seen her and of all this overlapping or taking place before Stephen Carpenter, and his wife and two young children, leave the tapas bar, and cross over the road en route to their apartment, and Mrs Carpenter hearing someone calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 08:45:AM
What if the Carpenters weren't there at the tapas restaurant that night with their two children?

The records from the tapas restaurant for that evening clearly suggests that the Carpenters were their alone from 7pm, onwards...

(1) - Stephen John and (2) - Christine Elizabeth Carpenter!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:25:AM
Christine Elizabeth Carpenter was arguably the most important witness of all in the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearance / abduction / death - since she was probably the last person to hear the person who took Madeleine from apartment 5A speak prior to Madeleine being taken, yet her Portuguese witness statement is withheld..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 01:31:PM
Christine Elizabeth Carpenter was arguably the most important witness of all in the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearance / abduction / death - since she was probably the last person to hear the person who took Madeleine from apartment 5A speak prior to Madeleine being taken, yet her Portuguese witness statement is withheld..

Not only that / this...

But..

A chef who worked at the tapas restaurant, made a statement to police saying that he heard a commotion made by a couple about a child gone missing (or about to go missing) at 21.20hrs, and that by 21.40hrs the couple had gone from the table where they had been sitting!

Well, the Carpenters did not leave their table until sometime between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, and Kate McCann and all the other tapas nine group were still at their tables until Kate McCann returned to break the news that Madeleine had been takeshortly after 10.00pm, so the empty table (21.40hrs) and the couple who were making the commotion (21.20hs) which the Chef overheard must have been reference to the Carpenters! If so, how did the Carpenters know at 21.20 hrs that a child had gone missing, or would be reported missing later on that same evening?

Did the chef overhear an argument that the Carpenters were having between themselves, where one or other was opposing what they had in mind doing?

I think this is a very significant piece of information which the police need to be reinvestigation urgently!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 01:48:PM
Carpenters watching the McCanns and family, following them to the lobster creche on the Tuesday 1st May 2007 afternoon session, booking their daughter in, then presumably taking her back out again straight away once they knew that Madeleine was at the creche, and scoring a line through their daughters entry in the creche register!

On evening of 2nd May 2007, were the Carpenters the mystery couple who are believed to have entered apartment 5A when Madeleine and Sean had been crying for over an hour? Madeleine told Kate about this (Sean and herself crying) on the following morning, the day of her reported disappearance!

Carpenters booked a dining table at the tapas restaurant for 7pm, a table for two, with only two chairs supplied! Earlier in the evening the Carpenters had been at the tapas restaurant area for high tea with their two children, so it seems unlikely that they would take their two children out with them for another meal about an hour or so later (7pm). Stephen John Carpenter made a witness statement where he stated that the whole family had gone out to dinner at the pre-booked time of 7pm, but the restaurant register shows that there were two members of the family booked in - so why did Stephen Carpenter lie about his children being present at the restaurant, at 7pm if they wasn't?

Was Christine Elizabeth Carpenter the woman dressed in a plum purple outfit standing on the causeway pavement on the opposite side of the street at around 8pm on the night of Madeleine's disappearence, as witnessed by Mrs Murat who had gone on a quick shopping trip to the Baptists off license / grocery store? If it was, why was she looking directly at the McCanns apartment at that time?

Did the restaurant chef overhear a commotion that was being made by the Carpenter couple within his earshot, at 21.20hrs?

Well, it can't have been him overhearing what Kate Healey said upon returning from her only check of the apartment that evening because she did not do her check until 10pm!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 03, 2018, 02:46:PM
I thought Jenny Murat said her son had never left the villa all evening, yet she was driving to the supermarket at 8:00pm, where she spotted the woman in purple standing by a lamp post. The same woman was also seen by Gerry McCann's tennis partner, Jeremy Wilkins. https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccann-case-jeremy-wilkins-and-woman-in.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 06:30:PM
I thought Jenny Murat said her son had never left the villa all evening, yet she was driving to the supermarket at 8:00pm, where she spotted the woman in purple standing by a lamp post. The same woman was also seen by Gerry McCann's tennis partner, Jeremy Wilkins. https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccann-case-jeremy-wilkins-and-woman-in.html

Jenny Murat went to the supermarket on that evening, driving there by motor vehicle which would have taken her less than 5 minutes to travel there and let's say that she spent between 10 to 15 minutes shopping with another 5 minutes to drive back to her villa, she would have travelled to the supermarket and returned to her premises well within half an hour from start to finish!

According to Jess Wilkins account, the woman who is dressed in purple was known to him as one of the females who were known to the McCanns. This suggest to me that the female who was dressed in purple could well have been Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, the wife of Stephen Carpenter who claims to have introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, and play tennis with the McCanns, as well as visit the Lobster creche when the mccanns and The Carpenter's deposited their respective children...

It is interesting to note, that the woman in the purple dress may have been stood there staring at the McCann apartment for the for a whole half an hour between 8 and 8: 30 pm that evening, in which case if true it begs the question, where was Stephen Carpenter at that time and what was he doing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 03, 2018, 07:14:PM
Jenny Murad went to the supermarket on that evening, driving there by motor vehicle which would have taken her less than 5 minutes to travel there and let's say that she spent between 10 to 15 minutes shopping with another 5 minutes to drive back to her apartment, she would have travelled to the supermarket and return to a premises well within half an hour from start to finish!

According to Jess Wilkins account, the woman who is dressed in purple was known to him as one of the females who were known to the McCanns. This suggest to me that the female who was dressed in purple could well have been Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, the wife of Stephen Carpenter who claims to have introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, and play tennis with the McCanns, as well as visit the Lobster creche when the mccanns and The Carpenter's deposited their respective children...

It is interesting to note, got the woman in the purple dress may have been stood there staring at the McCann apartment for the for a whole half an hour between 8 and 8: 30 pm that evening, in which case if true it begs the question, where was Stephen Carpenter at that time and what was he doing?
But why would she make herself so conspicuous by standing under a street light? I wonder if this was a spur of the moment abduction, where was the body concealed and why has nobody blabbed after 11 years?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 07:52:PM
But why would she make herself so conspicuous standing under a street light? I wonder if this was a spur of the moment abduction, where was the body concealed and why has nobody blabbed after 11 years?

I think that by 8pm the Carpenters would have finished their evening meal, and this provided an opportunity for both of them to leave the tapas restaurant temporarily, so that Christine Carpenter remained on the pavement keeping a conspicuous eye on the McCann premises whilst Stephen Carpenter returned to their own apartment to check on their own two children. In the interim period, the tapas nine group and the McCanns had filed into the tapas restaurant (between 8.15pm and 8.45pm). This fits in with..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:10:PM
I think that by 8pm the Carpenters would have finished their evening meal, and this provided an opportunity for both of them to leave the tapas restaurant temporarily, so that Christine Carpenter remained on the pavement keeping a conspicuous eye on the McCann premises whilst Stephen Carpenter returned to their own apartment to check on their own two children. In the interim period, the tapas nine group and the McCanns had filed into the tapas restaurant (between 8.15pm and 8.45pm). This fits in with..

Stephen Carpenter saying that all the tapas nine group were already there when they went back to the tapas restaurant, but in fact the McCanns themselves, and one or two others in their group did not arrive at the dinner table until 8.30pm, and afterwards. For example, I think that Jane Tanner or Russell O'Brien,  arrived much later on because their child Ella had been taken ill, and they took it in turns to stay back in the apartment with the child, swapping over during the course of the evening!

What we do know is that neither Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, Gerry McCann, or Mathew Oldfield saw the woman in the plum purple dress stood in the street between 8pm and 8.30pm, the only people who took note of this woman was Jenny Murat (8pm) and Jez Wilkins (8.15pm to 8.30pm)...

I am satisfied as I can be that the woman in the plum purple dress was none other than Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, she was alone which freed up Stephen Carpenter to take care of other business! This other business was perhaps to return to their own apartment which was situated nearby, next to Jenny Murat's premises, to check on their own two children! It may well be, that the Carpenter couple kept in contact with eachother throughout this time by mobile telephone calls!

I think everything fits into place, whereby at sometime after 8.30pm with the departure of the McCanns from apartment 5A via the patio door on the poolside of the building, and their arrival at the dinner table by 8.30pm, or thereabouts, that this information was relayed from the woman in the plum purple outfit on foot out in the street, or perhaps on her way back to their table at the tapas restaurant, so that she was met by Stephen Carpenter so that they sat back at their table after what they believed was the full Entourage of the tapas nine already at their pre-booked dinner table!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:16:PM
The restaurant chef who reports that he heard a commotion involving a couple at one of the tables, must have overheard some sort of a dispute, or an argument involving the Carpenter couple at around 21.20hrs, concerning the soon to be missing Madeleine McCann! It can't possibly have had anything to do whatsoever with the news being broken at 10pm when Kate Healey returned to the tapas restaurant, screaming or shouting, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Madeleine is gone' because that didn't happen until some 40 minutes afterwards!

The chef must have been referring to a conversation, or disagreement about the way with which the Carpenters were planning to snatch Madeleine, who was effectively home alone!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:24:PM
The restaurant chef who reports that he heard a commotion involving a couple at one of the tables, must have overheard some sort of a dispute, or an argument involving the Carpenter couple at around 21.20hrs, concerning the soon to be missing Madeleine McCann! It can't possibly have had anything to do whatsoever with the news being broken at 10pm when Kate Healey returned to the tapas restaurant, screaming or shouting, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Madeleine is gone' because that didn't happen until some 40 minutes afterwards!

The chef must have been referring to a conversation, or disagreement about the way with which the Carpenters were planning to snatch Madeleine, who was effectively home alone!

It is very telling, in my opinion, that Stephen Carpenter states that his family left the tapas restaurant between 9.15pm and 9.30pm - after the noted return of Gerry McCann after his 9.05pm check and his delayed return due to bumping into Jez Wilkins in the street which delayed his return to the restaurant by 5 - 10 minutes. As if this was the signal for the Carpenters to carry out the taking of Madeleine McCann, like clockwork the Carpenters left the tapas bar restaurant as Gerry McCann returned!

The Carpenters may have thought by that stage that they had at least another 30 minutes before the parents or a member of the tapas nine group did their next check, but little did they know that by 9.30pm Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield volunteered to check apartment 5A whilst en route to do a check of their own children...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:33:PM
It is worth noting, that it was around this time (9.15pm to 9.30pm) that Stephen Carpenter claims that he and the rest of his family crossed the street after leaving the Ocean club reception, and that he saw no-one in the street at that time, only noticing a number of motor vehicles that were parked up at the kerb in the street on the McCann Apartment and Ocean club reception side of the road....

In particular he mentions seeing what he thought was a black coloured Ford Focus parked up there..

Thereupon having crossed the street en route back to their apartment, how his wife had overheard someone calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...

Well, this is astonishing, because what we don't yet know, is whether this very telling piece of evidence, was spoken about by Madeleine McCanns abductor, before Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield did their 9.30pm check, or afterwards?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:43:PM
It is worth noting, that it was around this time (9.15pm to 9.30pm) that Stephen Carpenter claims that he and the rest of his family crossed the street after leaving the Ocean club reception, and that he saw no-one in the street at that time, only noticing a number of motor vehicles that were parked up at the kerb in the street on the McCann Apartment and Ocean club reception side of the road....

In particular he mentions seeing what he thought was a black coloured Ford Focus parked up there..

Thereupon having crossed the street en route back to their apartment, how his wife had overheard someone calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...

Well, this is astonishing, because what we don't yet know, is whether this very telling piece of evidence, was spoken about by Madeleine McCanns abductor, before Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield did their 9.30pm check, or afterwards?

Based upon what O'Brien / Oldfield say about the check that was made at 9.30pm, there is no way of knowing or telling whether or not Madeleine had been taken by that stage or not?

The best we can hazard a guess at is that if the Carpenters had anything whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance, is that it occurred at around 9.30pm, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who crept into apartment 5A intent on abducting Madeleine McCann! His wife would have been outside the window through which her husband would hand over to her Madeleines body, I believe that during this process I believe that Madeline may have started to stir from her sleep, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who attempted to pacify her by saying her name over and over, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', which were the words his wife heard him saying...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:44:PM
Based upon what O'Brien / Oldfield say about the check that was made at 9.30pm, there is no way of knowing or telling whether or not Madeleine had been taken by that stage or not?

The best we can hazard a guess at is that if the Carpenters had anything whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance, is that it occurred at around 9.30pm, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who crept into apartment 5A intent on abducting Madeleine McCann! His wife would have been outside the window through which her husband would hand over to her Madeleines body, I believe that during this process I believe that Madeline may have started to stir from her sleep, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who attempted to pacify her by saying her name over and over, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', which were the words his wife heard him saying...

If true, one of two things happened...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:48:PM
If true, one of two things happened...

First and foremost, Madeleine McCanns body was taken back to the Carpenter apartment, or secondly, once Stephen Carpenter had extracted himself from the bedroom window through which Madeleine mcCanns body had been handed out, that Stephen Carpenter was the person who was seen by the Smith contingent carrying Madeleine's body down towards the beach at around 10pm, his wife had returned to their apartment to tend to their own children..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 09:53:PM
Stephen Carpenter killed Madeleine McCann inside the derelict building and subsequently buried her remains in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building! If true, then the clothing I photographed during my search of those premises and rear garden may well have been clothing worn by Stephen Carpenter when he disposed of Madeleine McCann!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 10:12:PM
Stephen Carpenter killed Madeleine McCann inside the derelict building and subsequently buried her remains in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building! If true, then the clothing I photographed during my search of those premises and rear garden may well have been clothing worn by Stephen Carpenter when he disposed of Madeleine McCann!

He needs to be urgently arrested, and interviewed at length before being charged - everything points to his involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 03, 2018, 10:14:PM
Scotland yard need to arrest Stephen John Carpenter and his wife Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, on suspicion of the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann...

I wonder why he has split up from his wife?

Did she die in some sort of an accident, once they returned to Stevenage?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 09:14:AM
According to Scotland yard the man seen carrying a child in his arms across the road junction by Jane Tanner has been eliminated...

But, the person has not been publicly identified!

This is unacceptable, since and because this case has so much public interest the public at large have a right to know who this gentleman was!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 09:16:AM
According to Scotland yard the man seen carrying a child in his arms across the road junction by Jane Tanner has been eliminated...

But, the person has not been publicly identified!

This is unacceptable, since and because this case has so much public interest the public at large have a right to know who this gentleman was!

Why didn't the man come forward earlier?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 09:25:AM
Seems to me, that this gentleman is an important witness, for example, he appeared to have walked along the pavement on the roadside part of apartment 5A where the door and the shuttered bedroom window behind which the three McCann siblings had been sleeping! Did he notice whether or not the steel shutter of that bedroom window was open or not? If it was, did he notice that the window was open? And if the window was open, did he notice whether or not the curtains were open? Failing that, was the door of 5A closed, or open?

It also must be the case, that the gentleman in question, turned his head and his body slightly to his right upon entering the road junction to make sure that there were no oncoming vehicles, or pedestrians - he wouldn't have simply walked out into that road junction like a zombie without any concern for the safety of the child he was carrying, or himself! He would have surely seen Jane Tanner walking uphill towards his position on one side of the road, and Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins with a pushchair on the other side of the street...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 09:31:AM
Seems to me, that this gentleman is an important witness, for example, he appeared to have walked along the pavement on the roadside part of apartment 5A where the door and the shuttered bedroom window behind which the three McCann siblings had been sleeping! Did he notice whether or not the steel shutter of that bedroom window was open or not? If it was, did he notice that the window was open? And if the window was open, did he notice whether or not the curtains were open? Failing that, was the door of 5A closed, or open?

It also must be the case, that the gentleman in question, turned his head and his body slightly to his right upon entering the road junction to make sure that there were no oncoming vehicles, or pedestrians - he wouldn't have simply walked out into that road junction like a zombie without any concern for the safety of the child he was carrying, or himself! He would have surely seen Jane Tanner walking uphill towards his position on one side of the road, and Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins with a pushchair on the other side of the street...

Until this person is formally identified everyone should have an open mind to the possibility that the person who Jane Tanner had seen could have been Stephen Carpenter intending to take Madeleine back to his own apartment (FP02)! If it was him, it is almost certain that he would have realised that the person coming up the road (Jane Tanner) must have seen him, with the possibility that either Gerry McCann or Jez Wilkins may also have got a fleeting glimpse of him!

Under those circumstances, this may have caused Carpenter to change his mind about taking her back to the Carpenter apartment, and to make his way down towards the beach instead, and that around and by 10pm that he was the person seen by the Smith contingent carrying Madeleine in his arms heading in the general direction of the beach!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 09:36:AM
It's possible that the man seen carrying a child by Jane Tanner (9.10pm - 9.15pm) and by the Smith Contingent (10pm) was one and the same gentleman!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 09:40:AM
It's possible that the man seen carrying a child by Jane Tanner (9.10pm - 9.15pm) and by the Smith Contingent (10pm) was one and the same gentleman!

I arrive at this conclusion because both of these men who were seen did not come forward and identify themselves. The fact that one of them has since been traced and identified remains suspicious, and it is a matter of public interest that he be formally identified so that everyone can eliminate that person!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 02:21:PM
I arrive at this conclusion because both of these men who were seen did not come forward and identify themselves. The fact that one of them has since been traced and identified remains suspicious, and it is a matter of public interest that he be formally identified so that everyone can eliminate that person!

Of particular interest would be any interview record or witness statement made by this mystery person confirming where he had been, what he had been doing, and where he was going to? Furthermore, what if anything did he see or notice along his route, especially both prior to, and during, or after he crossed the road junction (if he was the person referred to by Jane Tanner?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 02:27:PM
I am more and more convinced that Stephen Carpenter was Madeleine McCanns abductor!

His wife needs to be arrested by Scotland Yard and interviewed regarding what she knows about her husband's involvement it the matter, she being at peril of being his co-accused should she not co-operative fully! Otherwise, she can decide to remain a suspect herself, and when the shit hits the fan, she can stand in the dock alongside her husband facing being convicted by a jury of abduction and conspiracy to murder Madeleine McCann!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 02:29:PM
I am more and more convinced that Stephen Carpenter was Madeleine McCanns abductor!

His wife needs to be arrested by Scotland Yard and interviewed regarding what she knows about her husband's involvement it the matter, she being at peril of being his co-accused should she not co-operative fully! Otherwise, she can decide to remain a suspect herself, and when the shit hits the fan, she can stand in the dock alongside her husband facing being convicted by a jury of abduction and conspiracy to murder Madeleine McCann!

Either way, involvement by the McCann parents and or other members of their group, or the sinister involvement of one or other of the Carpenter parents, or at least one of them, I still feel that Madeleine McCann is no longer alive!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 02:34:PM
I arrive at this conclusion, irrespective of it turning out to be the case that the McCann parents and or some members of their group are involved in Madeleine's demise, or whether or not one or other, or both of the Carpenter parents were involved!

There would be no reason or purpose to believe that Madeleine survived what whoever had got in mind for her!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2018, 02:43:PM
I didn't realise that there existed other forums debating the possible involvement of the Carpenter couple in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and that a lot of people have put a lot of time and effort in trying to get to the bottom of this mystery!

But...

Believe me there a lot of good intentioned people out there who are not afraid to speak their minds, irrespective of whether or not they believe or think the parents and members of their group had some sort of input into the event, or that somebody else was involved (such as one or other of the Carpenter couple)...

At the end of the day, it is in the public interest that anybody and everybody be permitted to express an opinion on every feature of this case, if that involves suspecting one or other of the McCann parents, or any member of the tapas nine group, or one or other of the Carpenter couple, since a little three year old girl appears to have vanished off the face of the earth in this ongoing investigation...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 05, 2018, 03:09:PM
Did anybody see this before? It's an old video of the early investigation. What do people make of the alleged pockmarked man staring at the apartment for two days?  https://youtu.be/lhACS6ck-Dw
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 05, 2018, 04:42:PM
I've just finished watching the 5 parts of that video showing and at first thought that the " ugly " man could have been the one whose wife is German but the sighting looks too young a man to have been who I'd thought. The " spotty-faced " descripton was probably the first description ever given of an " abductor " and it appeared to be the same character seen carrying a child. It was too much of a coincidence for the child to have looked and also been dressed the same as Madeleine in her nightwear.

What could anyone have really done at that time on seeing a child being carried ? Apart from stopping them and having a quick conversation and look at the same time-------though I know Madeleine hadn't been reported as missing at that juncture, but being nosy sometimes helps at times.

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 05, 2018, 04:59:PM
I've just finished watching the 5 parts of that video showing and at first thought that the " ugly " man could have been the one whose wife is German but the sighting looks too young a man to have been who I'd thought. The " spotty-faced " descripton was probably the first description ever given of an " abductor " and it appeared to be the same character seen carrying a child. It was too much of a coincidence for the child to have looked and also been dressed the same as Madeleine in her nightwear.

What could anyone have really done at that time on seeing a child being carried ? Apart from stopping them and having a quick conversation and look at the same time-------though I know Madeleine hadn't been reported as missing at that juncture, but being nosy sometimes helps at times.

 
I just wonder what's happened to this man. Someone must know. It took me back to the American psychic Carla Brown. https://youtu.be/8wKt8r35AdI
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 05, 2018, 06:00:PM
I just wonder what's happened to this man. Someone must know. It took me back to the American psychic Carla Brown. https://youtu.be/8wKt8r35AdI






Do you go along with that sort of stuff Steve ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 05, 2018, 07:08:PM
Did anybody see this before? It's an old video of the early investigation. What do people make of the alleged pockmarked man staring at the apartment for two days?  https://youtu.be/lhACS6ck-Dw

This sighting is an interesting one, since it happened on the 1st May 2007...

The same day which has the lobster creche register faults, involving Madeleine McCann, and in particular the three and a half year old Carpenter child who was booked in 10 minutes behind 'Madeleine' yet had her name crossed out for one reason, or another, without any explanation from either of the Carpenter parents, or the creche nannies! What I believe it signifies is that one or other of the Carpenters, or both were watching and following the McCann Parents and their three siblings! I do not know what Stephen John Carpenter looked like on the 1st May 2007, maybe he had a pock marked face, maybe he was the man you are referring to...

I am also mindful of an incident involving when the children were practicing tennis, and one of the tapas group mentioned that a parent of one of the children who was taking photographs of the practice session and he said with things being as they are these days, that he felt like a bit of a pervert taking photographs!

This to me raises a red flag!

Here was somebody who obviously captured Madeleine McCann in one or more of the photographs he took!

My query would be, who the parent was?

Was it Stephen Carpenter, for example?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 05, 2018, 07:49:PM





Do you go along with that sort of stuff Steve ?
No not really, but I suppose it is some kind of ghoulish entertainment. I'm sorry if it's hurting the McCanns.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 05, 2018, 07:58:PM
This sighting is an interesting one, since it happened on the 1st May 2007...

The same day which has the lobster creche register faults, involving Madeleine McCann, and in particular the three and a half year old Carpenter child who was booked in 10 minutes behind 'Madeleine' yet had her name crossed out for one reason, or another, without any explanation from either of the Carpenter parents, or the creche nannies! What I believe it signifies is that one or other of the Carpenters, or both were watching and following the McCann Parents and their three siblings! I do not know what Stephen John Carpenter looked like on the 1st May 2007, maybe he had a pick marked face, maybe he was the man you are referring to...

I am also mindful of an incident involving when the children were practicing tennis, and one of the tapas group mentioned that a parent of one of the children who was taking photographs of the practice session and he said with things being as they are these days, that he felt like a bit of a pervert taking photographs!

This to me raises a red flag!

Here was somebody who obviously captured Madeleine McCann in one or more of the photographs he took!

My query would be, who the parent was?

Was it Stephen Carpenter, for example?
This is such a frustrating case. Many of us were brought up with the old adage "trust me I'm a doctor", so one scenario we go along with all the Tapas 7, irrespective of how foolish they all were leaving their dozen or so children unattended that night.

If we consider the man with the pockmarked face one would have thought he was an outsider (Eastern European?), who seized his window of opportunity and abducted her for his own ends. This is why I turned to the American psychic video again to consider where the body might be.

The third alternative is Robert Murat, who was jealous of the nuclear family and wished to cause the McCanns pain. He killed Maddie in the apartment and deposited her somewhere in the vicinity which has still not been searched. Him being a local he would know the area like the back of his hand.

The mystery is why has the body still not been found?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 05, 2018, 10:52:PM
This is such a frustrating case. Many of us were brought up with the old adage "trust me I'm a doctor", so one scenario we go along with all the Tapas 7, irrespective of how foolish they all were leaving their dozen or so children unattended that night.

If we consider the man with the pockmarked face one would have thought he was an outsider (Eastern European?), who seized his window of opportunity and abducted her for his own ends. This is why I turned to the American psychic video again to consider where the body might be.

The third alternative is Robert Murat, who was jealous of the nuclear family and wished to cause the McCanns pain. He killed Maddie in the apartment an deposited her somewhere in the vicinity which has still not been searched Him being a local he would know the area like the back of his hand.

The mystery is why has the body still not been found?

I bet a pound to a penny the pockmarked bloke was none other than Stephen Carpenter. He was on the McCanns trail for sure from that Tuesday (1st May 2007) afternoon, I believe he was the parent taking photographs of the children during tennis practice, and I believe that Stephen Carpenter probably took Madeleine from her bed in apartment 5A, soon after Gerry McCann made his 9.05pm check! What I envisage happened was that the Carpenters were on routine watch at the tapas restaurant from 7pm, onwards - monitoring the behaviour and routine of the McCann parents from the vantage point of their restaurant table which had been booked for 7pm. What I also believe transpired was that the Carpenters had been at the tapas restaurant earlier in the evening with their two children for high tea, and that they may have still had their kids with them at 7pm, but had intended to take them back to their apartment after they had finished their pre-booked 7pm evening meal (which accounts for the table only originally being booked for two persons, not 2 + 2). At around 8pm with their meal finished, Stephen Carpenter takes their two children back to their apartment (FP02), whilst his wife (the woman dressed up to the eyeballs in a plum purple dress remains standing on the pavement waiting for one of two things to happen. (1) for the return of her husband, and (2) in the meantime, she is keeping a watchful eye on the McCann Apartment to see which door the parents leave it, for example, (a) the poolside patio door, or (b) the roadside door?

It is extremely important to note that the sighting of this woman in a plum purple outfit, was seen firstly by Jenny Murat at about 8pm, and again at about 8.30pm by Jez Wilkins! This to me fits in snugly with the McCanns being under surveillance (if you can call it that), and that the woman in purple was nowhere to be seen (to say good evening to) when the McCann parents left their apartment at around 8.30pm via the roadside door which Gerry McCann in all fairness to him probably locked that door behind him once both he and Kate left (prior to leaving their apartment the McCanns had left the sliding patio door on the poolside of the building unlocked). It may well have been the case, that the woman in the plum purple outfit saw one or other of the McCann parents at the patio door and that see may have wrongly assumed that the parents were leaving their apartment by that route, hence why when a minute or two later when the McCanns did in fact leave their apartment, they both did so by the roadside door, and by the time they had walked across the carpark, and then down and along, and round the corner heading in the direction of the Ocean club reception, the woman in the plum purple outfit had already walked off - probably en route back to the Carpenter Apartment (FP02) to update her husband accomplice!

As she was doing this the McCanns arrived at the tapas restaurant at 8.30pm, sharp!

We know from Stephen Carpenters witness statement, that he said that the McCann's and their friends were already present when he, his wife and children arrived at the tapas restaurant! But, this cannot possibly be true because the Carpenters were booked in for evening meal at 7ppm, and the McCanns did not arrive until 8.30pm! Some of the other group did not arrive at their table until 9.00pm, so as we can see Carpenter is using a narrative that is supposed to take him out of the equation! But his lies (I might add) only serve to attach him to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

Tanner man may well have been Stephen Carpenter, carrying off Madeleine in his arms, walking briskly across the road junction in the general direction of his apartment! However, in view of him being spotted, he decided to take Madeleine elsewhere, just in case Jane Tanner had got a good look at him! I am convinced that his wife aided and abetted him when he took Madeleine! When he picked up Madeleine she began to stir, and Carpenter tried to pacify her by calling out her name, twice, in quick succession, 'MADELEINE, MADELEINE', when he probably handed out the child through the bedroom window! This was why Carpenters wife, says she remembers those key words, 'MADELEINE, MADELEINE', she will never forget those words that were spoken to Madeleine McCann..

Madeleines body was almost certainly taken to the derelict building opposite St Vincent's church, because if Carpenter had been 'Tannerman' he might have thought he had been seen, and so perhaps he wandered around and took footpaths which afforded him cover since these short cut footpaths were heavily populated with bushes, shrubs and trees and were poorly lit! I think there is a good chance that 'Tannerman' and the man the Smith contingent who saw a man carrying a child in his arms, may well be the same Person! In the case of the Smith sighting, the man was walking downhill in the general direction of the beach / church / derelict building! In the rear garden of this derelict building towards the left back corner, is a hollow with a shallow grave! I believe e this is the most likeliest of places where Madeleine McCanns remains were concealed. Inside the derelict building itself, there was a single bed mattress, and clothing contained in plastic bags, which I took photographs of and upon my return to the UK I sent to the Portuguese police asking them to go there and seize the articles of clothing and dig up the grave I have mentioned! As far as I know, nobody has searched either the derelict building or its gardens, and in particular the shallow grave which is overshadowed by a series of tall reeds...

It was inside one of the rooms situated at the front of the building (on the church side) that I took the 'Ghost of MADDIE' photograph, which for some reason presented itself in a gap that existed between the edge of the single bed mattress and the wall! I cannot explain how that image ended up appearing in that particular photograph, it wasn't something that I could see with my own two eyes, it just showed up when I downloaded all the images I had taken when I returned home! Some people say they can't see anything, but I can and it's quite an astonishing image which appears to be of a little girl squeezed into that tight floor space between the mattress and the wall! I believe in my mind it provides a psychic clue as to what happened to Madeleine McCann after her body had been taken!

The little girl in the image ('The Ghost of MADDIE') tells me that Madeleine was taken to this derelict building, she died there (I think), at the hands of her abductor, and her body was buried in a shallow grave at the back left hand corner of the rear garden in a hollow!

Until someone goes there and digs up this shallow grave I shall continue to believe that that is the location where her body was concealed, buried in that shallow grave...

'The GHOST of MADDIE'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:02:AM

'The derelict Building'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:04:AM
'View from inside Derelict Building of Church across Street'..

'The GHOST of MADDIE' photograph was taken in this room, with its window facing across the street to St Vincent's church, where the McCann parents sought refuge from the media at night time!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:17:AM
This is the Shallow Grave where i believe Madeleines abductor buried her remains'!

I found a metal bar with a pointed edge next to / alongside what appears to be a shallow grave in a hollow surrounded by reeds at the left hand corner of the rear garden! This informs me that someone must have been very determined to dig sufficiently enough to conceal a child's body, and that when digging the grave the person found it difficult because of rocks beneath the surface! The metal bar I found was similar to the ones you find in roadworks / construction sites! I thought this was interesting because there was said to be several road workings in the area around the time of Madeleine's disappearence!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:21:AM
As far as I know, no-one has searched this derelict building or dug up what lies beneath the surface of the shallow grave I discovered there in 2010 - it's as though nobody really wants to find her remains!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:32:AM
The really odd thing, was that as well as the person having used a metal bar to dislodge rocks and bricks whilst digging the hole, that afterwards when they had concealed, whatever it was they had concealed, they surrounded the grave with a series of rocks, as though it in someway was significant and counted for something linked to what had happened, taken place, or was in the process of being done!

The manner with which the rocks were positioned suggests some sort of ritualistic behaviour, seconded by a series of chalked 'X's on a door frame, inside the derelict Building'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:38:AM
If I had the money In would go back there myself and dig the damn shallow grave up myself!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:42:AM
I am also mindful of the type of clothing I found concealed inside some plastic bags which had been hidden underneath a detached door or planks of wood ( I took photographs before I discovered the clothing). I would like to know if anyone who has fallen under suspicion ever owned or wore this type of clothing?

Basically, light blue jeans, a dark blue nylon caghool, and a checked top?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:45:AM
I am also mindful of the type of clothing I found concealed inside some plastic bags which had been hidden underneath a detached door or planks of wood ( I took photographs before I discovered the clothing). I would like to know if anyone who has fallen under suspicion ever owned or wore this type of clothing?

Basically, light blue jeans, a dark blue nylon caghool, and a checked top?

I know that Robert Murat has a liking for checked shirts / tops, etc...

So does Russell O'Brien...

I would be interested to know if anyone can add other possible suspects to this list?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 06, 2018, 11:07:AM
I think I would rule Stephen Carpenter out Mike. In his questioning he spoke about a laundry man who worked for the MW complex. This laundry man didn't appear to have a home as such and " lived " in a garage which backed on to Murat's house which was a street in a cul-de-sac. Inside the garage was a bed and some children's toys, yet the chap seemed only to have a teenage boy about 18 who also lived/slept there.

The laundry man was of European appearance who possibly looked older than he actually was because of the sunny climate. Hs age was put between 45-50.

What better way to hide a child than under a skip load of laundry from the various apartments ? Plus because of the nature of the job he'd have had keys to all apartments and would have also known who was staying and for how long. Whether this character has ever been tracked down I don't know. It's people like this who don't have a permanent home where I'd cast my suspicions as they can just come and go and leave no trace. Interestingly a van which he used was also parked nearby to which Carpenter told police that it probably moved 2 or 3 times a week.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 06, 2018, 01:10:PM
I know that Robert Murat has a liking for checked shirts /t tops, etc...

So does Russell O'Brien...

I would be interested to know if anyone can add other possible suspects to this list?
Murat would have to change his clothes after the murder and may not have time to dispose of them at his mother's house (burning for example), before rushing back to the crime scene and getting involved with the action. Remember with his language skills he could pass for a local or a tourist. I'm still wondering about the cadaver odour in the apartment and wonder if he killed Maddie, stuffed her body in the wardrobe and went back in the interval to move the body so as to cause maximum distress to the parents.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 06, 2018, 01:14:PM
I think I would rule Stephen Carpenter out Mike. In his questioning he spoke about a laundry man who worked for the MW complex. This laundry man didn't appear to have a home as such and " lived " in a garage which backed on to Murat's house which was a street in a cul-de-sac. Inside the garage was a bed and some children's toys, yet the chap seemed only to have a teenage boy about 18 who also lived/slept there.

The laundry man was of European appearance who possibly looked older than he actually was because of the sunny climate. Hs age was put between 45-50.

What better way to hide a child than under a skip load of laundry from the various apartments ? Plus because of the nature of the job he'd have had keys to all apartments and would have also known who was staying and for how long. Whether this character has ever been tracked down I don't know. It's people like this who don't have a permanent home where I'd cast my suspicions as they can just come and go and leave no trace. Interestingly a van which he used was also parked nearby to which Carpenter told police that it probably moved 2 or 3 times a week.
Can you believe with all these employees and passers-by that children so young were left unattended even if only for a moment, let alone at half-hour intervals. Wasn't there supposed to have been a suspect who died on a tractor; the details escape me for the moment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 03:03:PM
I think I would rule Stephen Carpenter out Mike. In his questioning he spoke about a laundry man who worked for the MW complex. This laundry man didn't appear to have a home as such and " lived " in a garage which backed on to Murat's house which was a street in a cul-de-sac. Inside the garage was a bed and some children's toys, yet the chap seemed only to have a teenage boy about 18 who also lived/slept there.

The laundry man was of European appearance who possibly looked older than he actually was because of the sunny climate. Hs age was put between 45-50.

What better way to hide a child than under a skip load of laundry from the various apartments ? Plus because of the nature of the job he'd have had keys to all apartments and would have also known who was staying and for how long. Whether this character has ever been tracked down I don't know. It's people like this who don't have a permanent home where I'd cast my suspicions as they can just come and go and leave no trace. Interestingly a van which he used was also parked nearby to which Carpenter told police that it probably moved 2 or 3 times a week.

I don't think the so called laundryman was the abductor because if what you say is true, he would have been no. 1 on police radar after the parents and friends had been eliminated! I think it's very interesting that Stephen Carpenter introduces Robert Murat to Gerry McCann and that Carpenter introduces the laundryman into his narrative! First of all I think it's a mistake to take everything that Carpenter said he did, who he did it with, and when he did it with them. His witness statement is all over the place and full of lies. I don't believe that MW would employ a homeless man who lived in a garage and had keys to everybodies apartment, that would be just plain stupid on the part of the Ocean Club, and imagine how all its customers would feel if they ever found out about it! I think Stephen Carpenter threw Robert Murat into the fray to take the scent off himself, and simally he threw the make believe laundry man in to the fray for good measure, as a diversionary tactic!

I think it makes it even more certain that Carpenter was the person behind Madeleine McCanns disappearance, in view of the fact that he has introduced this European homeless laundry man into the narrative, on top of being responsible for introducing Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, and all the other things which I have tried to bring attention to, in a trial of activity spanning back to the afternoon of Tuesday 1st May 2007. I Don't believe a word he has said in his witness statement and I want to know two things moving on from that / this...

(1) - What did his wife say in her police witness statement?
(2) - if they got divorced or separated, on what grounds?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 03:36:PM
Can you believe with all these employees and passers-by that children so young were left unattended even if only for a moment, let alone at half-hour intervals. Wasn't there supposed to have been a suspect who died on a tractor; the details escape me for the moment.

Steve_uk, it's not that kind of a place believe me, it's not one of those areas where there are tens or hundreds of people are walking about in the streets of an evening! It's a really quiet place, nice and quiet, and peaceful. With the benefit of hindsight it is easy for us to judge the McCanns for the risks they took in leaving there three children! I've been there for over a week, staying in the apartment block directly across the street from the entrance to apartment 5A where it all took place! People sit out on their balconies, and walk to and from between the tapas bar restaurant area and their apartments in drive and drabs! Many parents have probably left their children home alone whilst staying at the ocean club, not necessarily post the date of the tragedy, but certainly beforehand! I think that the problem in this instance was the layout of apartment 5A which was set out differently to all the other apartments in that same block where the McCanns and their group of friends were staying - apartment 5A had a set of concrete steps leading up / down between the patio door on the poolside whereas none of the other apartments that their friends were staying in had this ease of access or exit! In the others case, they could only leave by the roadside door of their apartment ( compared to a possible two access / exit points for the McCanns!...

Maybe on that last occasion when the McCann parents left apartment 5A by the roadside door, having first of all ensured that they had left the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment unlocked, that they were being too clever for their own good! I think there might have been a degree of confusion created in the mind of the abductor once he realised that the McCanns had left the apartment by the roadside door which they locked behind them, maybe the abductor was left in two minds not knowing if the sliding patio door of apartment 5A was unlocked or not?

Having said that there would have been very little doubt in the abductors mind once he witnessed the 9.30pm check that was made of the McCann Apartment by Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien. It's odds on that the abductor had witnessed the 9.30pm check, and possibly the previous check when Gerry McCann had checked it! Can we all be absolutely sure which doors Gerry McCann used to enter the apartment at the beginning of his check, and whether or not he used the exact same door when leaving it? I think establishing this can go a long way towards pinpointing the exact time that the abductor took Madeleine!

For example, if Gerry McCann either used the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment to enter it, and the same door to leave the apartment after his check, or he had entered via the sliding patio door but left by the roadside door, or alternatively, If Gerry McCann had entered the apartment by the roadside door, but left by the ceiling patio door, then this opens up a window of opportunity to be almost certain that the abductor had taken Madeleine in-between Gerry McCann leaving the apartment and the start of the next check by Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield at 9.30pm...

If Gerry McCann used the sliding patio door at any stage during his 9.05pm check, it's odds on the the abductor saw him, and thereafter as soon as McCann entered the tapas reception doors he was in to take Madeleine!

This of course, fits in perfectly with the time that Stephen Carpenter says he and his family left the tapas bar restaurant that evening (somewhere between 9.15pm and 9.30pm)..

Bingo!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 03:51:PM
At the heart of it all, we have Christine Elizabeth Carpenter being arguably the most significant witness in all of this mystery, in all probability overhearing the abductor calling out twice to Madeleine,
'Madeleine, madeleine'
, and yet the police are keeping the contents of her witness statement from the public!

Stephen John Carpenter, therefore, is arguably the second most important witness in the mystery of Madeleine McCanns disappearence, because he was with his wife (by his own account t) and was present in the street outside the McCann Apartment between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, when his wife heard someone calling out to Madeleine, twice! Well, is Stephen Carpenter deaf or something, or is it the case that it was he who had called out Madeleine's name twice?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 06, 2018, 04:00:PM
Can you believe with all these employees and passers-by that children so young were left unattended even if only for a moment, let alone at half-hour intervals. Wasn't there supposed to have been a suspect who died on a tractor; the details escape me for the moment.





No, I'll NEVER understand why any parent leaves their child/children, Steve.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 06, 2018, 04:23:PM
I was looking for a pattern and it seems there were 12 other incidents before Madeleine, but no details provided. I always thought paedophilia was an illness and the perpetrator would not stop at this case but go on to commit more offences and eventually be caught. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-in-2009
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 06:45:PM
I was looking for a pattern and it seems there were 12 other incidents before Madeleine, but no details provided. I always thought paedophilia was an illness and the perpetrator would not stop at this case but go on to commit more offences and eventually be caught. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-in-2009

Yes, I know about these other alleged events...

Euclides Monterio?

We have not seen any witness statement accounts to evaluate his possible involvement  in the previous incidents, so any involvement on his part in these other matters, let alone him being responsible for Madeleine McCanns disappearence would only be speculative!

On the other hand, there was a reported sighting of a suspect in Madeleine's case, I think of a person in dreadlocks hanging about suspiciously?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:03:PM
I do not discount possible colusion between the carpenter suspects and  Euclides Monterio , albeit I would place such a possibility or likelihood low - this is because of a number of features unique to that Thursday evening, the 3rd May 2007:-

To begiin with, there were no sightings of a dreadlocked person hanging around outside in the street potentially watching the McCanns apartment (5A). Without wanting to appear racist (which I am not) I should think that if there had been a dreadlocked person hanging around in the street outside the McCann Apartment after the parents left to go dining at 8.30pm, I should think that such a person would have been noticeable
and SEEN..

I therefore, discount Euclides Monterio - Stephen John Carpenter and his wife Christine Elizabeth Carpenter remain top of my list of suspects!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:08:PM
I know that this may seem somewhat minor to most people, but I think that Madeleine McCanns disappearance is related to the block booking of tables each night at and from 8.30pm by the McCann entourage, resulting in it upsetting other holiday makers, and forcing them to take their evening meal much earlier in the evening!

The Carpenters were one of the aggreived parties..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:10:PM
I know that this may seem somewhat minor to most people, but I think that Madeleine McCanns disappearance is related to the block booking of tables each night at and from 8.30pm by the McCann entourage, resulting in it upsetting other holiday makers, and forcing them to take their evening meal much earlier in the evening!

The Carpenters were one of the aggreived parties..

It would be interesting to see the other bookings at the tapas restaurant, each evening after the Carpenters and the McCann entourage arrived in the resort?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:14:PM
Whoever abducted and got rid of Madeleine McCann had some sort of greivance with one or other or both of the McCann parents!

I feel certain that it was over the reservations the McCann party booked (8.30pm) each night throughout the group's stay! Since, this must have upset more than one couple, or person or family! Infact, I think Kate Healey touches upon this subject in her book,
'MADELEINE'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:17:PM
The truly sad thing about all of this, is that whoever they upset, the would be come abductor found a way to strike back at the whole group in the McCann entourage, by abducting Madeleine whilst the lot of them enjoyed their nightly slot in the restaurant!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:18:PM
The truly sad thing about all of this, is that whoever they upset, the would be come abductor found a way to strike back at the whole group in the McCann entourage, by abducting Madeleine whilst the lot of them enjoyed their nightly slot in the restaurant!

I don't think it was anything personal against the MC themselves, I think it only appears as though the mcCanns were targeted because it was Madeleine that got taken!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:23:PM
I don't think it was anything personal against the MC themselves, I think it only appears as though the mcCanns were targeted because it was Madeleine that got taken!

But..

Stop for a moment, and remember that the McCann Apartment was the only apartment with two ways of leaving the building, and entering it!

The way I see it, if Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner had been allocated apartment 5A instead of the McCanns, it could do easily have been them who the investigation focussed upon and around! It could have been David Payne / Fiona Payne and their family, for the similar reason, in other words, the abductor appears to have singled out the McCanns because there were two different ways to enter or exit the premises! A factor which would have become so obvious once the abductor had felt aggreived by the injustice of the group seeking preferential treatment by the ocean club staff..

If I had to hazard a guess I should think that the abductor and his / her / their family felt aggreived within two days of the McCann entourage arriving at the complex, and them being on the receiving end of the request / decision regarding the block booking of tables at the tapas restaurant each night and every night at the prime time of 8.30pm...

I believe that this was what motivated Stephen Carpenter to abduct and to kill one of the McCann children
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:31:PM
Therefore,
'I have pinpointed the motive behind the crime!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 07:37:PM
Therefore,
'I have pinpointed the motive behind the crime!

I don't believe that Madeleines disappearance had anything to do with child trafficking, or a peadophile ring!
Disgruntled Guests, being treated as second class customers, overshadowed by the gang of doctors who thought they were better than everyone else, and that they deserved preferential treatment...

I don't believe that the McCanns were targeted specifically, they just made wrong decisions about their childcare arrangements in the evenings and had the misfortune to be allocated the only apartment amongst their group with a patio door access and exit on the poolside of the apartment, and become the scapegoat from another disgruntled guest which involved the block booking of evening meal at the tapas restaurant each night from first evening to last at 8.30pm...

The Abductor

Analytical...

Determined..

Resourceful..

Pedantic..

Remorseless..

Unforgiving..

Deceptive...

Arrogant..

Troublesome...

Vindictive..

Spiteful..

Violent..

Articulate..

Ritualistic..

Non religious..

Jealous..

Possessive..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 08:08:PM
The McCanns were located in the wrong place, at the wrong time, it could so easily have been one of the other families in their place, since the abductor Almost certainly held a grudge against all of them!

According to what Kate McCann wrote in her book, on page 52 where she writes, 'Today we'd been able to book a table to make a dinner reservation for the adult contingent at the poolside tapas restaurant. Apparently, this restaurant, a canopied outdoor addition to the bar, catered for only up to fifthteen diners in the evenings and reservations could not be made until the morning of the day in question.

Seed 1 of Motive..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 08:22:PM
The McCanns were located in the wrong place, at the wrong time, it could so easily have been one of the other families in their place, since the abductor Almost certainly held a grudge against all of them!

Based on all the available evidence I make Stephen John Carpenter my no. 1 suspect, along with his then wife, Christine Elizabeth Carpenter..

Where is she, what happened to her?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 08:23:PM
Based on all the available evidence I make Stephen John Carpenter my no. 1 suspect, along with his then wife, Christine Elizabeth Carpenter..

Where is she, what happened to her?

Hope she didn't die in suspicious circumstances?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:18:PM
Let's take a closer inspection of the facts, as related to by one or other of the tapas group from midday on Thursday 3rd May 2007:-

According to the McCann parents they had lunch back in the apartment 5A, with supplies they had purchased from the supermarket...

Kate had gone with Fiona Payne at around 12.15pm, to the lobster creche to collect Madeleine, at which point she had signed the creche register..

The McCanns started lunch at about 12.35pm - 12.40pm, which lasted approximately 20 minutes!

On that particular day, according to Fiona Payne, that was the only day during the entire holiday that no-one came back with them for lunch. She states that there was only herself, David Payne, and Fiona's mother!

Rachel and Mathew Oldfield ate lunch with Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, on that date...

Jane Tanner said in her Rogatory statement that they went to the lobster creche at 12.29pm to collect Russell O'Briens daughter (Ella) but that she didn't notice whether or not Madeleine McCann was present there at that time..
These then, were the Lunch arrangements on that oh so fateful day!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 10:40:PM
And now we shall examine what the adults in the group claimed they were doing, or had done during the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May, 2007:-

After dropping their siblings off at the creches, the McCann parents started to play tennis together from 3.30pm, that afternoon!

At 3.30pm, they were joined on the tennis court by the tennis instructor and played tennis with him until 4.30pm...
In stark contrast to this, Stephen John Carpenter claimed that he had been present on the tennis court all afternoon playing tennis with Gerry McCann, but clearly he wasn't, and he didn't..

Stephen Carpenter told the police that he had been playing tennis with Gerry McCann all that afternoon, from 2pm Onwards..

According to Carpenters statement he had been playing tennis with Gerry mcCann throughout the entire afternoon almost, from between 2pm and 4pm...

But..

He has lied about that!

What Carpenter was doing that afternoon, was keeping close tabs on Gerry and Kate McCann! since, if Madeleine was still alive by that stage, Carpenter knew that Madeleine was at the Lobster creche...

But, please get this -Carpenter tells police in his witness statement that not only did he play tennis all afternoon with Gerry McCann (between 2pm and 4pm) but he has the audacity to claim that this took place prior to him going to the creches to collect his children...

And yet, neither of his children were booked into either the jellyfish or the lobster creches that particular afternoon!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 11:18:PM
So, there it is in black and white for all to see - Stephen Carpenter nothing but a lying toe rag!

He wasn't playing tennis all that afternoon with Gerry McCann


AND


Carpenter did not go along with the McCann parents to pick his own children up, because his own two children were not booked into either creche tgat particular afternoon (3rd May 2007)..


What really took place was that Carpenter almost certainly followed the mcCann parents back to the creches and observed them puckibgnup Amelie and Sean from the jellyfish creche, and Madeleine from the lobster cre he!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 06, 2018, 11:33:PM
So the picture that I have of Stephen Carpenter is as follows:-

(1) on that last day (3rd may 2007) he had the McCanns under observation, he followed them to the two creches and back again to their apartment during the morning and afternoon sessions!

(2) at 7pm, he was at a table in the tapas restaurant from 7pm onwards and claiming that when he arrived there that the McCanns and the rest of the group were already present! However, this could not possibly have been true and the most likely explanation was that by 7pm that Carpenter had got the mcCanns under observation as well as the other members of the group!

(3) when he took Madeleine out of the apartment he called her name out twice because the sudden movement from her bed had probably disturbed her. His wife overheard what Stephen Carpenter had said to Madeleine during the abduction and in an attempt to disguise his involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, he lied about what he told police that his wife had heard somebody call Madeleine's name out twice..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2018, 08:18:AM
I know that this may seem somewhat minor to most people, but I think that Madeleine McCanns disappearance is related to the block booking of tables each night at and from 8.30pm by the McCann entourage, resulting in it upsetting other holiday makers, and forcing them to take their evening meal much earlier in the evening!

The Carpenters were one of the aggreived parties..

According to Kate McCanns book (page 56, 3rd Chapter) it was Rachel Oldfield who managed to get a block booking of the restaurants tables for nine of the group at 8.30pm each evening..

Seed 2 of Motive..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2018, 08:23:AM
Rather more worryingly was the fact that a member of Mark Warner Staff (the receptionist who Rachel Oldfield had influenced) had made a note in the restaurant book that they were leaving their children alone, but checking on them intermittently! This book was available to all members of Staff, guests and visitors..

Seed 3 - of motive
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2018, 08:45:AM
And so, here layeth the problem - an outdoor canopied dinning area designed to serve only fifthteen persons, and each evening from 8.30pm onwards the nine adult members of the McCann entourage took pride and place of nine of those fifthteen places, leaving only six vacancies each evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2018, 08:58:AM
On the evening before the day Madeleine McCann was taken the McCann parents stayed out later than usual - they had been staying out for late drinks at the tapas bar, and Gerry McCann left there at 11.50pm to go back to their apartment (5A) because he said he was feeling 'tired' leaving Kate with the others! When Kate eventually strolled in, she decided to sleep in the spare bed in the children's bedroom overnight!

This information is very interesting because it was on the following morning that Madeleine had asked Kate why she didn't come last night when both she and Sean had been crying?

This was the same occasion when it was rumoured that a couple had entered the McCanns apartment around the time the children had been crying (was this couple the Carpenters)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 07, 2018, 06:05:PM
This gives an idea of the layout of the complex. However many times we are told this is a quiet family resort and leaving the children unattended was just like sitting out in the garden at home the plain fact is the rear of the apartment was not visible from the tapas bar https://youtu.be/LcQwi4w6wpg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: IndigoJ on August 07, 2018, 08:13:PM
This gives an idea of the layout of the complex. However many times we are told this is a quiet family resort and leaving the children unattended was just like sitting out in the garden at home the plain fact is the rear of the apartment was not visible from the tapas bar https://youtu.be/LcQwi4w6wpg

yes , i still don't understand how they could have felt it was ok to leave their kids every  night by themselves!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2018, 08:34:PM
This gives an idea of the layout of the complex. However many times we are told this is a quiet family resort and leaving the children unattended was just like sitting out in the garden at home the plain fact is the rear of the apartment was not visible from the tapas bar https://youtu.be/LcQwi4w6wpg

That is correct, since the bedroom window /shutter was situated on the roadside of the apartment, beneath which was a footpath, separated from the car park by a wall! What is also disconcerting, was that according to what Kate McCann writes in her book ('Madeleine'), that Gerry McCann broke the lock mechanism on the window shutter in the bedroom where they left their three siblings on that fateful evening! One is left to wonder whether or not after breaking the locking mechanism whether either Gerry or Kate reported it to the Ocean club staff?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2018, 08:36:PM
That is correct, since the bedroom window /shutter was situated on the roadside of the apartment, beneath which was a footpath, separated from the car park by a wall! What is also disconcerting, was that according to what Kate McCann writes in her book ('Madeleine'), that Gerry McCann broke the lock mechanism on the window shutter in the bedroom where they left their three siblings on that fateful evening! One is left to wonder whether or not after breaking the locking mechanism whether either Gerry or Kate reported it to the Ocean club staff?

If they did, was it noted in a repair/maintenance book?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:16:AM
And if what Kate says about Gerry McCann breaking the shutter at the window is true why was it that on the night that Madeleine was reportedly abducted or taken did the McCanns suggest that the shutter at the window had been forced or forcedl open by the would be abductor?

Why would they leave their three siblings home alone, knowing that the locking mechanism on the window shutter wasn't working? And on top of this leave the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment unlocked? Worse still, it also appears that when Gerry NcCann left the apartment after his 9.05pm check, he is not sure whether he left the roadside door unlocked or not?

Why would a parent leave their three siblings sleeping in a bedroom which had the steel shutter at their bedroom window broken, and the two doors back and front left unlocked, whilst they frolicked at the tapas restaurant and bar, only intending to make checks every 30 minutes or so?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:22:AM
And if what Kate says about Gerry McCann breaking the shutter at the window is true why was it that on the night that Madeleine was reportedly abducted or taken did the McCanns suggest that the shutter at the window had been forced or forcedl open by the would be abductor?

Why would they leave their three siblings home alone, knowing that the locking mechanism on the window shutter wasn't working? And on top of this leave the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment unlocked? Worse still, it also appears that when Gerry NcCann left the apartment after his 9.05pm check, he is not sure whether he left the roadside door unlocked or not?

Why would a parent leave their three siblings sleeping in a bedroom which had the steel shutter at their bedroom window broken, and the two doors back and front left unlocked, whilst they frolicked at the tapas restaurant and bar, only intending to make checks every 30 minutes or so?

The children a solely in that bedroom were in a highly vulnerable position since despite what the McCanns have always sought to maintain, for example that they could see the patio door on the poolside of the apartment from their vantage point at the tapas restaurant and bar, they could not see the children's bedroom window or the unlocked roadside door from that location!!

What the McCanns did by leaving their three children 'Home Alone', in these circumstances was / is unforgivable, it is far worse than the claim that they had simply left their children home alone, what they did was criminal, since they left their three siblings at risk and peril of all being abducted!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:28:AM
Checking their three children every 30 minutes or so, in these circumstances was not only inappropriate, it was damn right dangerous, crying out for any would be abductor, peadophile to simple walk into apartment 5A and take one or other, (or even all three of their children), via the unlocked roadside door, which Gerry McCann was responsible for after his 9.05pm check!

Why would any parent in those circumstances, leave a door unlocked which was on the far side of the premises from where he, his wife and the other 7 group members were all sitting, with no possibility of knowing one way or another whether anyone had simply walked into the apartment at their leisure, and taken one (or potentially two, or all of them) of the McCanns children?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: IndigoJ on August 08, 2018, 07:32:AM
Checking their three children every 30 minutes or so, in these circumstances was not only inappropriate, it was damn right dangerous, crying out for any would be abductor, peadophile to simple walk into apartment 5A and take one or other, (or even all three of their children), via the unlocked roadside door, which Gerry McCann was responsible for after his 9.05pm check!

Why would any parent in those circumstances, leave a door unlocked which was on the far side of the premises from where he, his wife and the other 7 group members were all sitting, with no possibility of knowing one way or another whether anyone had simply walked into the apartment at their leisure, and taken one (or potentially two, or all of them) of the McCanns children?

yes, and also I wouldn't want my children waking up and finding themselves all alone in the apartment, can you imagine their fear and panic with mummy and daddy gone!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:33:AM
So, this is something far more serious than a parent or parents leaving their children 'home alone', whilst they went out for evening meal and drinks afterwards, in a nearby restaurant and bar, with regukar 30 minute checks being made by one or other of the McCann entourage, this was behaviour crying out as a criminal act, not only negligence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:46:AM
yes, and also I wouldn't want my children waking up and finding themselves all alone in the apartment, can you imagine their fear and panic with mummy and daddy gone!!

I agree, since it is every child's devine right to expect a parent to be at hand whenever any crisis presents itself

The matter is made far more serious because we now know with 100% certainty, that Gerry McCann had broken the locking mechanism himself, of the bedroom shutter, and that after his 9.05pm check that he had left the roadside door on the blind side of the apartment (from the vantage point of any table at the restaurant and or tapas bar) unlocked! What good was it making regular checks of the apartment, no matter how many minutes there were in-between each of these checks, if the parents, or any of the group they involved in making such checks could even see the unlocked roadside door or the bedroom window with its broken locking mechanism behind which the McCanns three siblings had been left home alone?

I want to know if the McCanns had reported the fact that Gerry McCann had damaged and broken the locking mechanism if the steel window shutter, to the staff of the ocean club prior to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?

I cannot believe that if it had been reported (as it should have been) that the Ocean club staff had not recorded that fact by documentary means, or that they had not repaired it!

Furthermore, although this may seem somewhat a minor point, were the McCanns even charged for the damage to that window shutter that Gerry McCann himself had been responsible for causing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:51:AM
I would also like to mention that I find it extremely odd that although Stephen Carpenter presents himself as well known to the McCanns, in particular to Gerry McCann, during that holiday, that the McCanns, in particular, Gerry McCann, makes no mention whatsoever of him!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:56:AM
I would also like to mention that I find it extremely odd that although Stephen Carpenter presents himself as well known to the McCanns, in particular to Gerry McCann, during that holiday, that the McCanns, in particular, Gerry McCann, makes no mention whatsoever of him!

He it was (Stephen Carpenter) who introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann soon after Madeleine had supposedly been taken! He it was who had been playing tennis with Gerry McCann all afternoon on the day of Madeleines disappearance, so why is it, that Gerry McCann makes absolutely no mention whatsoever about Stephen Carpenter, as though Carpenter vanished into thin air, or that he was never there and had never been there at all?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 07:58:AM
He it was (Stephen Carpenter) who introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann soon after Madeleine had supposedly been taken! He it was who had been playing tennis with Gerry McCann all afternoon on the day of Madeleines disappearance, so why is it, that Gerry McCann makes absolutely no mention whatsoever about Stephen Carpenter, as though Carpenter vanished into thin air, or that he was never there and had never been there at all?

Is there a link between Gerry McCann and Robert Carpenter back in the UK before this holiday took place?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 08:00:AM
Is there a link between Gerry McCann and Robert Carpenter back in the UK before this holiday took place?

Were Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter ever in phone contact post the disappearance of Madeleine?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 02:34:PM
The role played by Stephen Carpenter in and around the McCanns enabled him to note their daily and evening routines. He managed to do this by attending the creches on the pretense of depositing his two children there! It is believed that Carpenter stalked the McCanns when they were playing and practicing tennis, and additionally at the tapas restaurant and bar where Carpenter could easily observe the comings and goings of the group, in particular, the McCann family..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: buddy on August 08, 2018, 03:05:PM
The role played by Stephen Carpenter in and around the McCanns enabled him to note their daily and evening routines. He managed to do this by attending the creches on the pretense of depositing his two children there! It is believed that Carpenter stalked the McCanns when they were playing and practicing tennis, and additionally at the tapas restaurant and bar where Carpenter could easily observe the comings and goings of the group, in particular, the McCann family..
Do you now believe that Maddies parents are now not responsible?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 08:30:PM
Do you now believe that Maddies parents are now not responsible?

I have made out the case for the parents to have been responsible, and now I am trying to make out the case for Stephen Carpenter to be responsible..

He remains my no.1 suspect, outside the tapas nine...

Everything that Stephen Carpenter says he did and when he did it does not add up, and the McCanns and their friends make no references at all to him, which is astonishing since Carpenter claims he was playing tennis with Gerry McCann from 2pm onwards on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May 2007, but Gerry McCann did not attend the tennis courts until 3pm on that date, and he was accompanied by Kate McCann on that occasion and they played tennis together for about half an hour until 3.30pm, at which point Gerry then practiced tennis with the on site tennis coach! Kate went for her run along the beach, etc...

So, here we have Stephen Carpenter making up a narrative, when all along he hadn't been playing tennis with Gerry McCann at all that afternoon! He was obviously observing Gerry and Kate McCann in his role of a would be abductor! In his statement Carpenter makes reference to taking and collecting the children from the creches on that particular afternoon either side of the tennis session he claimed he had in-between with Gerry McCann, but not only did Gerry McCann not play tennis with Stephen Carpenter at all that particular afternoon, but neither of the two Carpenter children were booked in and out of either the jellyfish creche, or the lobster creche - so, once again, Carpenter is responsible for introducing a false narrative! This theme continues into the evening, when he claims that his two children were present when he and his wife attended the tapas restaurant for their pre-booked 7pm evening meal, but the dining register shows that when Carpenter arrived for that meal there were only two reservations made! It gets worse, because Stephen Carpenter said in his witness statement that when they arrived for that 7pm dinner reservation, that the McCann parents and all of their friends were all already present there, despite the McCanns not arriving there until 8.30pm, and some of their group did not arrive until much later on. We then have Carpenter saying that he and his family left the tapas restaurant / bar between 9.15pm - 9.30pm. well that was in-between the time Gerry McCann returned to the tapas bar after his 9.05pm check, and possibly prior to the check made by Russel O'Brien and Matt Oldfield at about 9.30pm (although I am prepared to concede that they could have left after O'Brien and Oldfield did their 9.30pm check! Rather more worryingly, Carpenter introduces his wife telling him the next morning that as they were leaving the Ocean club small reception, and crossing the street close to the McCann Apartment, that she had heard someone calling out 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...

This is significant, because it suggests that Carpenters wife witnessed the voice of the abductor who took Madeleine McCann out of the McCann Apartment (5A) at that exact moment in time!

We do not yet know what his wife, Christine Elizabeth Carpenter said in her witness statement, all we have is Stephen Carpenters version of the events! We don't even know whether or not Carpenters wife even made a witness statement, if not this should be a priority for the police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, since she may hold critical information capable of identifying the abductor!

Stephen Carpenter needs to be re-arrested and interviewed under caution as a suspect, and he needs to be questioned on specific points, such as (a) had Gerry McCann returned to the tapas bar before he and his family left the tapas bar area that evening? (b) had O'Brien and Oldfield left to do their check prior to the Carpenters leaving the tapas bar? (c) had Oldfield returned to the tapas bar after the 9.30pm check prior to the Carpenters exiting?

He claimed that upon he and his family leaving the tapas bar that evening (9.15pm to 9.30pm) that they had gone straight back to their apartment (FP02) without going anywhere else, but I believe he is lying - I am concerned that he says he had his two children with him at the 7pm dinner reservation, not because they hadn't been there at that time, but because the evening creche which catered for children of guests staying in the complex between 7.30pm and 11.30pm, and that this caused something of a dilemma for the Carpenters, who had to hang onto their two kids for half an hour until the evening creche would be open and ready to take children in for the evening (7.30pm, onwards). With this in mind I think the Carpenters had their two children with them until the evening creche opened its doors at 7.30pm...

At this time, I believe that the Carpenters left the tapas restaurant and that Stephen Carpenter took both of his children to the evening creche whilst his wife Christine stood on the pavement close to the McCann Apartment, she was the woman dressed in the plum purple dress seen by Jenny Murat at around 8pm, standing in the street appearing to be looking towards the McCann Apartment. Shortly afterwards Jez Wilkins saw the same woman wearing the purple dress stood on the pavement on the opposite side of the street to the McCann Apartment as if looking at the target premises!  But I think her presence there may have had something to do with her husband taking their two children to the evening creche which is located close by on the far corner of the roadside of the apartment block where the tapas nine were all staying!

I think that 'Tannerman' may have been Stephen Carpenter carrying his 18 month old toddler after he collected the child from the evening creche. It is also worth noting that by the time Jane Tanner entered the street and saw 'Tannerman' that the woman who had been stood there wearing the purple dress (as seen by Jenny Murat and Jez Wilkins) was no longer present! I put this down to her having collected the other Carpenter child who had been collected before Stephen, or as the case may be, shortly behind him...

I think the Scotland Yard investigation has identified Stephen Carpenter as the person who was seen by Jane Tanner, and that Stephen Carpenter was / is 'Tannerman', supported by the fact that at sometime after 7.30pm the Carpenters had booked their two children into the evening creche, and that Stephen Carpenter booked the 18 month old toddler out of the creche around the time that Jane Tanner had seen him walking off in the direction of the Carpenter apartment (FP02) situated next door to Jenny Murat's villa!

For this reason, I think that on this occasion, 'Tannerman' wasn't carrying off Madeleine McCann in his arms, he was carrying his own child which he had collected momentarily beforehand from the evening creche..

After they put their children to bed, I believe that the Carpenter couple went to check on the McCann children, in the same way they had probably done on the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying for a period of about an hour without the parents returning to check on them! At this time, I believe that Madeleine awoke and that Stephen Carpenter tried to pacify Madeleine, by calling out her name twice, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', whilst he removed her from the apartment! This almost certainly took place inbetween the Oldfield / O'Brien check at 9.30pm, and Kate McCanns check at about 10pm..

The next point of contention which I feel raises a flag of suspicion on his part was that on the following morning he claims that Robert Murat introduced himself to him, and that he in turn introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, on the basis that Murat was claiming he could speak fluent Portuguese and English, and that it would be handy interpreting between the McCanns and the local police. At this time Stephen Carpenter says that when he told Robert Murat that a little three and a half year old girl had gone missing, Murat had responded by saying that he had a three and a half year old daughter himself who was living back in England without showing any sort of concern for the child who had gone missing, or the parents who were suffering for the loss!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 09:15:PM
It has been rumoured for several years now that the abductor, or the abductors, had been watching the McCann family from the early part of their arrival in Portugal, at the Ocean club complex! It has also been rumoured that the Abductor or at least one of them had been seen hanging around outside in the street directly across the road from where the McCanns apartment 5A was situated!

In point of fact, we have rumours of there being a dreadlocked man, and on another occasion, a pock marked (face) man hanging around in suspicious circumstances, along with the woman in the plum purple outfit!

Well, I think Christine Elizabeth Carpenter is the woman in the purple dress, and I think the pockmarked face man could be Stephen Carpenter...

I have no idea who the dreadlocked suspect was / is?

I am very interested in getting a look at the evening creche registration document if anyone has seen it, or knows where I can get access to it, which will show the timings of the coming and goings of the children and their parents on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 between the hours of 7.30pm and 11.30pm, that same date! I feel confident that the Carpenters will have booked their two children in and out at key moments in the police investigation into Madeleine McCanns disappearence..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 09:47:PM

I am very interested in getting a look at the evening creche registration document if anyone has seen it, or knows where I can get access to it, which will show the timings of the coming and goings of the children and their parents on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 between the hours of 7.30pm and 11.30pm, that same date! I feel confident that the Carpenters will have booked their two children in and out at key moments in the police investigation into Madeleine McCanns disappearence..

The police and the McCann contingent have been ignorant in naming only two of the three creches that were a ailable to parents!

The two named ones were / are Jellyfish, and Lobster! Both of these operated a morning and an afternoon session (as we have seen)...

But I am more concerned with the third creche that operated in the evenings between 7.30pm and 11.30pm...

Here is an image of the evening creche that was operational on the night (3rd May 2007) that Madeleine McCann went missing!

I believe that the Carpenters primarily used 'this' third creche to deposit their children, and that the McCanns group were either not made aware of its existence, or they chose not to entertain it, despite it offering peace of mind to parents wanting to dine out in the evenings between 7.30pm and 11.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 09:55:PM
It would be interesting to find out the name of this third creche (the name it operated under in May 2007, or at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence)!

I have a hunch that this third creche may also have been taking in children during the mornings and afternoon sessions, and that it may be owned or run privately, and not an official part of the Ocean Club complex!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 10:03:PM
It would be interesting to find out the name of this third creche (the name it operated under in May 2007, or at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence)!

I have a hunch that this third creche may also have been taking in children during the mornings and afternoon sessions, and that it may be owned or run privately, and not an official part of the Ocean Club complex!

I remember seeing this third creche during my 2010 visit to Luz...

It had children playing outside in the fenced off grounds during the mornings, afternoons, which raised something of a red flag for me back then because of its proximity to the front door on the roadside of block 5, and in particular apartment 5A! I remember making a general mental note of its location and pondered whether Jane Tanner's sighting of 'Tannerman' could be linked to a parent collecting an intact or a toddler from that third creche which coincided with Jane Tanner's observation? Today, I am as certain as I can be that the man who was carrying that child in his arms that evening was Stephen Carpenter, not that he was carrying Madeleine off, but that it was one of his own children that he was carrying (remember that he had a daughter about the same height and build and age of Madeleine McCann, as well as an 18 month old toddler!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 10:10:PM
So, I have opened up a can of worms for the police to look into and investigate! My powers of deduction are often and quite frequently proven to turn out right, in one way or another, and I feel certain that the existence of the third creche helps to resolve some of the contradictions thrown up by (a) Stephen Carpenters assertion that he (they) had dropped his children off at the creche and collected them from the creche,  and (b) either side of him playing tennis with Gerry McCann from 2pm onwards on the afternoon Thursday 3rd May 2007..

The solution is a relatively simple one, in that the Carpenters were using the third creche (the privately owned one that I have identified), so I will give Carpenter the benefit of doubt regarding what he said about taking his children to the creche and collecting them on that afternoon...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 10:14:PM
So, I have opened up a can of worms for the police to look into and investigate! My powers of deduction are often and quite frequently proven to turn out right, in one way or another, and I feel certain that the existence of the third creche helps to resolve some of the contradictions thrown up by (a) Stephen Carpenters assertion that he (they) had dropped his children off at the creche and collected them from the creche,  and (b) either side of him playing tennis with Gerry McCann from 2pm onwards on the afternoon Thursday 3rd May 2007..

The solution is a relatively simple one, in that the Carpenters were using the third creche (the privately owned one that I have identified), so I will give Carpenter the benefit of doubt regarding what he said about taking his children to the creche and collecting them on that afternoon...

Here we see small children enjoying outdoor activities at the 'mysterious' third creche:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 10:18:PM
The location of the third creche is an important factor since in order to get to and fro to it, and from it, from the perspective of the Carpenter family housed in apartment FP02, they would have to walk past the roadside part of block 5, and in particular, the front door and the steel shuttered bedroom window where the McCanns three siblings slept each and every night until the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 when Madeleine McCann was taken!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 10:24:PM
I wonder why Stephen Carpenter never mentioned about him using the 3rd creche which took him past the front door in the roadside of block 5 a total of six times per day? If we add up all the morning, afternoon, and evening sessions when potentially the carpenters could have been using the third creche, instead of the two (Jellyfish and Lobster) run by the Ocean club (and discounting the day of the McCanns arrival in Portugal on 29th April 2007) it amounts to a total of around 24 journeys that the carpenters could have made past the roadside part of block 5 where the McCanns were staying (5A)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 10:26:PM
I wonder why Stephen Carpenter never mentioned about him using the 3rd creche which took him past the front door in the roadside of block 5 a total of six times per day? If we add up all the morning, afternoon, and evening sessions when potentially the carpenters could have been using the third creche, instead of the two (Jellyfish and Lobster) run by the Ocean club (and discounting the day of the McCanns arrival in Portugal on 29th April 2007) it amounts to a total of around 24 journeys that the carpenters could have made past the roadside part of block 5 where the McCanns were staying (5A)...

Giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to monitor the routine and pattern of the McCanns days and evenings without raising anybodies suspicion, because they were escorting their own children back and forth, back and forth, back and forth from their apartment (FP02) next door to Jenny Murat's villa, to the third creche, and then to dinner before returning their two kids back to the creche in the afternoon, collecting them at close of play and making their way to the tapas bar for high tea with the children around 6pm, then hang around for their dinner reservation (7pm) before taking their two kids back to the third creche for the evening session and so on, and so forth!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 10:35:PM
Giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to monitor the routine and pattern of the McCanns days and evenings without raising anybodies suspicion, because they were escorting their own children back and forth, back and forth, back and forth from their apartment (FP02) next door to Jenny Murat's villa, to the third creche, and then to dinner before returning their two kids back to the creche in the afternoon, collecting them at close of play and making their way to the tapas bar for high tea with the children around 6pm, then hang around for their dinner reservation (7pm) before taking their two kids back to the third creche for the evening session and so on, and so forth!

It looks like the Carpenters may have deviated from there well oiled afternoon routine on one occasion, that being the Tuesday 1st May 2007, when they booked their three and a half year old child into the same lobster creche as Madeleine McCann, but then withdrew her immediately and striking her name in the register with an horizontal scribble of a pen...

After this date, the carpenters never took their child to the same creche as Madeleine!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 11:22:PM
Here is a bird's eye view of the roads and footpaths used by the Carpenter family when going to and fro, back and forth, between their apartment at FP02 and the third creche, a route which would take them directly past the roadside front door of the McCanns apartment (5A) several times a day!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2018, 11:26:PM
This shows a view of the roads and footpaths used to travel back and forth between their apartment next door to Jenny Murat's villa and the third creche, taking the Carpenters past the McCanns apartment several times each day!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 08, 2018, 11:41:PM
I thought Charlotte Pennington said that all three creches were in close proximity and the nannies could view all the children playing within.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 09, 2018, 12:06:AM
I thought Charlotte Pennington said that all three creches were in close proximity and the nannies could view all the children playing within.
The McCanns and their group never used the evening creche which was open for business between 7.30pm and 11.30pm, instead they chose to leave their kids home alone, and relied upon frequent checks and a baby monitoring device! Here is the third creche, which is situated along the road along the front of the McCanns apartment. It's actually situated at the end of the street on the right if you walk uphill with the front door of 5A on your left. This is the creche that the Carpenters must have been using with the exception of Tuesday 1st May 2007, when they booked in their three and a half year old child at the lobster creche (10 minutes after Madeleine McCann was booked in, only for her to be taken straight back out again, and an attempt to scribble out her name)!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 09, 2018, 10:55:PM
I thought Charlotte Pennington said that all three creches were in close proximity and the nannies could view all the children playing within.

Having just checked her witness statement, she actually says that the children were placed in 'three sub-groups'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 09, 2018, 10:58:PM
Despite Stephen Carpenter claiming he was on good terms with Gerry McCann and his family, there is very little evidence to support such a claim!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 09, 2018, 11:03:PM
Having just checked her witness statement, she actually says that the children were placed in 'three sub-groups'...
The quote I have is "the physical space where the children's groups are located is contiguous". http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 09, 2018, 11:21:PM
Let's circle around a 3D presentation (Google) of the prime location at the heart of this mystery...

McCann Apartment 5A..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 09, 2018, 11:28:PM
Here is a 3D presentation (Google) of the shallow grave in the hollow in the rear garden of the derelict building across the street from St Vincent's Church (Luz):-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 11, 2018, 02:56:AM
This is the route taken by the Carpenters upon leaving their apartment FP02, each morning when they took their child to the Crech each afternoon when they deposited their child their and collected them at lunch time, and in time for high tea, and much later when they took their two children there during the evening nanny service whilst they socialised..

Was 'Tannerman', Stephen Carpenter who had got to collect one of his children from the 3rd Creche?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 11, 2018, 05:27:PM
I believe that Madeleine McCann died, and that her remains were buried in a shallow grave in a hollow in the rear garden of the derelict building situated across the street from St Vincent's church! I believe this to be true and as far as I know no-one has been to try and exhume her body! Everything points to that location being where Madeleine's remains were disposed of - the 'Ghost of MADDIE' photograph that I took inside the derelict building in 2010, provided a supernatural clue, and there are further manifestations in the following images which resonate with Madeleine McCanns vibration, as if what can be seen is akin to a supernatural calling card - you can see her, in the imagery, which cannot be put down to chance or a coincidence...

Stare into the Circle and think of the name 'Madeleine McCann' and her image will be revealed to you!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 11, 2018, 05:44:PM
What are the chances of a photograph taken by me in 2010 which I refer to as the 'Ghost of Maddie' photograph, and a Google earth image purporting to show Madeleine McCanns face right next to the hollow at the rear of the garden where someone has dug a shallow grave?

She is there, buried in the grounds of this derelict building!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 11, 2018, 05:54:PM
Here, look - 'The Grim Reaper' right above the shallow grave..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 11, 2018, 06:06:PM
Rather somewhat astonishingly, it appears that the landscape around the shallow grave has a series of letters formed in the rushes, as though the reeds themselves are drawing attention to this particular plot, a manifestation of letters, words,  in a language I do not profess to know! This effect is spectacular, the land is calling to us, 'come here, come here', and 'this is the place's...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 11, 2018, 06:43:PM
I didn't realize the Murat villa was so close, though the photograph might be deceptive. I was wondering if the church door was locked in the evening, as many of them now are, sadly.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 11, 2018, 09:29:PM
I didn't realize the Murat villa was so close, though the photograph might be deceptive. I was wondering if the church door was locked in the evening, as many of them now are, sadly.

The McCanns had the key to the church door, and took refuge most nights soon after Madeleine was reported to have been taken - Portuguese police searched the catecomb beneath the church because they thought they parents had concealed Madeleine's remains there

Murat Villa Close to McCann Apartment..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 11, 2018, 09:42:PM
Distance from Church door to hollow / shallow grave in rear garden of derelict building

The Church in which the McCann parents took refuge overnight shortly after Madeleine was reported taken -  a stone's throw away from the shallow grave in a hollow at the rear garden of derelict building yards away!

The haven't searched the shallow grave in the hollow yet, or the rear garden of the derelict building

Simply saying the police and everybody else searched everywhere high and low, is simply not good enough!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 11, 2018, 10:05:PM
How do you explain the cadaver odour in the wardrobe? Let's say one of the McCanns discovers Maddie had a fatal accident earlier in the evening but couldn't take her out in the light, so stuffed her body in the wardrobe, hoping that whoever from the Tapas 7 checked later wouldn't notice her missing. Then under cover of darkness Gerry carries her down to the church. Alternatively Robert Murat watches the apartment, rushes in quickly, smothers Madeleine, dumps her body at his mother's villa then rushes back to join the search to create an alibi for himself.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 12, 2018, 11:00:AM
How do you explain the cadaver odour in the wardrobe? Let's say one of the McCanns discovers Maddie had a fatal accident earlier in the evening but couldn't take her out in the light, so stuffed her body in the wardrobe, hoping that whoever from the Tapas 7 checked later wouldn't notice her missing. Then under cover of darkness Gerry carries her down to the church. Alternatively Robert Murat watches the apartment, rushes in quickly, smothers Madeleine, dumps her body at his mother's villa then rushes back to join the search to create an alibi for himself.






Steve prior to the holiday Kate had attended 5/6 deaths so the smell, no matter whether a garment is washed or dry-cleaned will retain the cadaver scent to a trained or even untrained animal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2018, 12:37:PM





Steve prior to the holiday Kate had attended 5/6 deaths so the smell, no matter whether a garment is washed or dry-cleaned will retain the cadaver scent to a trained or even untrained animal.

If this was the case Lookout, then I would have expected the carver dog to react to all the rooms in the apartment and all the furniture in each room where Kate McCann sat or stood or laid down, and everything that she touched, since she would have needed to use both hands to dress and undress, and pick things up, put things down, or simply touch anything and everything that her contaminated hands came into contact with, cooking and eating utensils, pots and pans, the raised steel shutter at the kids bedroom window which had her fingerprints on it, boxes and tinned groceries she handled, there would also have been traces of cadaver scent I the bathroom of the apartment that she used, and on light switches and door knobs she switched on or opened and closed - an apparent total of absence or any reaction by the cadaver dog to all these other avenues of possible contamination suggests that the noted presence of the cadaver odour in the key locations that they were detected in, had nothing to do with Kate's duties back home where she might have come into contact with one or more deceased persons! For example, I presume that she dressed and undressed the other two children of theirs each morning and each evening and yet the cadaver dog did not give a positive reaction with regard to such items. Also, surely there would also have been this accidental cadaver odour found on Kate's tennis racket and her running gear, including her running footwear, but alas none found or detected!

I am more interested in Gerry McCanns missing sports holdall that he took on holiday with him, and what happened to it, and where it is?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2018, 12:48:PM
If this was the case Lookout, then I would have expected the carver dog to react to all the rooms in the apartment and all the furniture in each room where Kate McCann sat or stood or laid down, and everything that she touched, since she would have needed to use both hands to dress and undress, and pick things up, put things down, or simply touch anything and everything that her contaminated hands came into contact with, cooking and eating utensils, pots and pans, the raised steel shutter at the kids bedroom window which had her fingerprints on it, boxes and tinned groceries she handled, there would also have been traces of cadaver scent I the bathroom of the apartment that she used, and on light switches and door knobs she switched on or opened and closed - an apparent total of absence or any reaction by the cadaver dog to all these other avenues of possible contamination suggests that the noted presence of the cadaver odour in the key locations that they were detected in, had nothing to do with Kate's duties back home where she might have come into contact with one or more deceased persons! For example, I presume that she dressed and undressed the other two children of theirs each morning and each evening and yet the cadaver dog did not give a positive reaction with regard to such items. Also, surely there would also have been this accidental cadaver odour found on Kate's tennis racket and her running gear, including her running footwear, but alas none found or detected!

I am more interested in Gerry McCanns missing sports holdall that he took on holiday with him, and what happened to it, and where it is?

Also, the historical cadaver odour that you refer to Lookout would surely have been transferred further afield at the holiday complex, such as in the papas bar and restaurant where the McCanns ate meals, in her handbag and on her purse, on her credit cards and items of jewellery including her watch if she had one! On the hairbrush she must have used several times a day when she brushed her hair, on her toothbrush which she used morning and night, and let's not forget that on the night that Madeleine McCann was reported missing, that Kate McCann stayed overnight in one of the other tapas groups apartment?

And so, with so many other locations, places and things of interest where there was no cadaver odour present or found there, I don't think that to rely upon historical cadaver odour as the means to explain that which was detected holds any merit!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2018, 12:52:PM
Also, the historical cadaver odour that you refer to Lookout would surely have been transferred further afield at the holiday complex, such as in the papas bar and restaurant where the McCanns ate meals, in her handbag and on her purse, on her credit cards and items of jewellery including her watch if she had one! On the hairbrush she must have used several times a day when she brushed her hair, on her toothbrush which she used morning and night, and let's not forget that on the night that Madeleine McCann was reported missing, that Kate McCann stayed overnight in one of the other tapas groups apartment?

And so, with so many other locations, places and things of interest where there was no cadaver odour present or found there, I don't think that to rely upon historical cadaver odour as the means to explain that which was detected holds any merit!

But, it is possible that with so many people entering the apartment (5A) in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's reported disappearence that someone else who was involved in disposing of Madeleine McCanns body entered the apartment in the guise of searching for her, and that they left the cadaver odour of Madeleine mcCann there!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 12, 2018, 02:16:PM
What about the cadaver odour in the rental car, which was hired weeks after the disappearance?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 12, 2018, 03:01:PM
What about the cadaver odour in the rental car, which was hired weeks after the disappearance?





That would have depended on the previous hirer----------who we never knew of.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2018, 03:52:PM
What about the cadaver odour in the rental car, which was hired weeks after the disappearance?

Lookout makes an interesting point regarding the possible use of the hire car by someone else prior to the McCanns hiring it...

But..

It would be one humongous coincidence that the cadaver dog detected a presence of the cadaver odour, in various places inside apartment 5A and a car the parents hired weeks later!

However, I suppose you have to take into account the fact that someone else could have had access to the hire car once the McCanns hired it, the same person who could have contaminated the McCann Apartment with the same cadaver ordour...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2018, 04:06:PM
What seems somewhat logical or obvious to me, is that whatever caused the cadaver dog to react positively  to various sites inside apartment 5A, was the same source which caused the cadaver dog to react inside the hire vehicle - the fact that the checking of the apartment and the hire vehicle by the cadaver dog occurred around about the same time, opens up new considerations...

For example, nobody can put a time when the locations of the cadaver odour were contaminated , in this respect it becomes speculative! What I mean is that the wardrobe and behind the sofa at apartment 5A could have been contaminated at any stage post the tragic event, by 'anyone' who had access to the apartment. Similarly, the same could be said about the hire car..

However, the position behind the sofa in the living room, and inside the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, and the boot and footwell of the hire car, of the cadaver odour paints a compelling picture capable of supporting some sort of a connection or a link, with a deceased body. The fact that the cadaver hound pinpointed three key localities where the Cadaver odour existed, which could be construed as potential hiding places, where somebody might conceal a dead body cannot easily be dismissed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2018, 04:45:PM
I pose the following series of question:-

(1) - was it necessary for a deceased body to be physically present in (a) the Wardrobe, (b) behind the sofa, and (c) inside the boot of the hire car, in order for the dog to give a positive reaction for the presence of cadavar odour?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2018, 08:40:PM
I believe that the sighting of 'TANNERMAN' was a sighting of Stephen Carpenter who had attended the 3rd creche to collect one of his children, and that Scotland Yard have confirmed this to be true by checking the creche register to see what time Carpenter collected his child...

The apartment (FP02) Carpenter was staying in was right next door to the Murat Villa..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2018, 10:48:AM
Does anybody know if the McCann parents, or any of the other tapas seven group make any mention whatsoever about Stephen Tanner, and his wife, and their two children?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2018, 11:54:AM
Here is an image of Stephen Edward Carpenter which is part of the PJ McCann files:-

He looks very similar to one of the suspect E fit characters..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2018, 12:04:PM
After trawling through the internet I found the following image which I believe to be the same person:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2018, 01:58:PM
I am now really interested in the missing 'Jellyfish' creche records, which may contain the 'all important' entries confirming that Stephen Carpenter and wife deposited one or other, or both of their children there, morning, afternoon and of an evening!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2018, 02:00:PM
It still remains unclear at this moment in time, whether or not the '3rd Creche' was the home of the kids jellyfish activities?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2018, 10:22:PM
If I am correct, and Stephen Edward Carpenter is one of the 'E fit' suspects, what impact if anything does this mean, in terms of him being involved in Madeleines disappearance, and probable death?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 14, 2018, 02:37:PM
If I am correct, and Stephen Edward Carpenter is one of the 'E fit' suspects, what impact if anything does this mean, in terms of him being involved in Madeleines disappearance, and probable death?

Currently living at :-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 14, 2018, 02:38:PM
According to 192.com, his wife lives in nearby Bushy, Hertfordshire...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 14, 2018, 02:41:PM
I wonder why they separated, or split up, or got divorced?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 14, 2018, 02:42:PM
I wonder why they separated, or split up, or got divorced?

Did whatever happened in Portugal (Luz) have any bearings on the break up?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 16, 2018, 06:00:PM
No-one has opened up the shallow grave in that hollow in the rear garden of the derelict building - it's as if no-one is wanting to find her!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 23, 2018, 10:57:PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7084476/nicky-verstappen-murder-joseph-brech-madeleine-mccann-dutch-police/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 27, 2018, 04:36:PM
One parent caught up in the Madeleine McCann tragedy. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:03:AM
As far as I know, as things stand today there has only been two specific locations found where the possible remains of the missing Madeleine McCann could have been, or was buried! This includes the shallow grave that I was mysteriously drawn to situated in the far left hand corner in the rear garden of a derelict building (5 Av. dos Pescadores, Praia De Luz. Faro District) located directly across the road from the village church where the McCann parents sought frequent refuge at night soon after Madeleine's disappearence was reported! The second location, is beneath the driveway of the Murat Villa as implied by the witness Kruggel...

It may even be true that Madeline's remains were originally buried in the garden of the aforementioned derelict building, and later removed and that her recovered remains were then buried beneath the driveway of the Murat premises, a driveway which was under construction. Both Kruggel and I could be correct, or alternatively I am right, or he is right - I have never been on the newly constructed driveway of the Murat premises so I can't say that I have a strong sense or feeling that this was where Madeleine McCanns remains were buried at some point or other! All I can say is that her body couldn't have been buried there anytime prior to the moment in time when preparation work commenced to put the new driveway in...

Who did the construction work?

The reason I'm asking, is because since my visit to Luz in 2010, the windows if the derelict building (5 Av. dos Pescadores, Praia De Luz. Faro District) that is situated bear the church have been rendered over, work which has obviously been undertaken by construction, or a building contractor. As a result, I was just wondering whether or not, the work that was carried out at the Murat residence, and the work that has been carried out at the derelict building, was undertaken by the same person, or people?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:32:AM
Newly constructed drive at Murat residence where Birch believes Madeleine's remains eventually ended up!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:36:AM
If Birch turns out to be right, there can be no doubt whatsoever that Madeleine's remains must have been concealed or buried elsewhere before the construction work of the Murat residence driveway was commenced!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:38:AM
If Kruggel turns out to be right, there can be no doubt whatsoever that Madeleine's remains must have been concealed or buried elsewhere before the construction work of the Murat residence driveway was commenced!

And..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:39:AM
And..

If this or that be true, then someone must be responsible for trying to set Murat up as the abductor / killer!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:43:AM
We know that the grounds of the Murat residence were searched at the time Robert Murat became a suspect, and that there was no evidence to suggest that there had been a recently dug shallow grave, etc, and so if Madeleine's remains have now ended up beneath the more recently constructed driveway someone must have kept the body / remains hidden or buried in another place!

This is where the shallow grave that I discovered comes into play!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:45:AM
We know that the grounds of the Murat residence were searched at the time Robert Murat became a suspect, and that there was no evidence to suggest that there had been a recently dug shallow grave, etc, and so if Madeleine's remains have now ended up beneath the more recently constructed driveway someone must have kept the body / remains hidden or buried in another place!

This is where the shallow grave that I discovered comes into play!

Was the person Robert Murat, himself?

Was it Stephen Carpenter?

Was it a building contractor or construction worker who built the new driveway at the Murat residence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 08:53:AM
Linked to the work carried out involving the rendering over if the windows and door at the derelict premises (5 Av. dos Pescadores, Praia De Luz. Faro District), and the more recently constructed new driveway at the Murat Villa, is the fact that at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence there was a lot of construction work being carried out in the streets close to apartment 5a (the McCanns accommodation), and it remains a distinct possibility, that a construction worker may have had something to do with, Madeleine's disappearence, or at least had some intimate knowledge regarding who had been responsible!

Could such a construction worker have (for example) been the person responsible for digging the shall grave in the rear left hand corner of the garden of the derelict building 5  Av. dos Pescadores, Praia De Luz. Faro District? And years later, had that same construction worker carried out the building work involving the rendering over of the windows and the doorway of the derelict building, and for carrying out the construction of the newly laid driveway at the Murat residence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 09:02:AM
Linked to the work carried out involving the rendering over if the windows and door at the derelict premises (5 Av. dos Pescadores, Praia De Luz. Faro District), and the more recently constructed new driveway at the Murat Villa, is the fact that at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence there was a lot of construction work being carried out in the streets close to apartment 5a (the McCanns accommodation), and it remains a distinct possibility, that a construction worker may have had something to do with, Madeleine's disappearence, or at least had some intimate knowledge regarding who had been responsible!

Could such a construction worker have (for example) been the person responsible for digging the shall grave in the rear left hand corner of the garden of the derelict building 5  Av. dos Pescadores, Praia De Luz. Faro District? And years later, had that same construction worker carried out the building work involving the rendering over of the windows and the doorway of the derelict building, and for carrying out the construction of the newly laid driveway at the Murat residence?

According to Birch, a small body is buried underneath the newly constructed driveway at the Murat Villa - if that driveway ever gets dug up and they find out it's the remains of Madeleine McCann I suppose suspicion will automatically fall onto Robert Murat, again!

But...

My suspicion would be the identity of every construction worker who carried out basic renovation work at either the derelict building (5 Av. dos Pescadores, Praia De Luz. Faro District) and on the newly laid driveway at the Murat residence, who had been working as a building contractor or a construction worker at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence! In addition, I would like to know whether or not there was / is any tenuous link to the McCanns or the other 7 so called tapas group members?

 note, the increased area of vegetation at the spot which Birch claims Madeleine McCanns body is buried on the Murat driveway!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 03:46:PM
Note how the vegetation has grown rapidly in the immediate area which Birch has identified, and how the same vegetation peters away down the slope as if affected by drainage
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 05, 2018, 07:57:PM
I suspected Robert Murat from the outset. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/madeleine-mccann-update_n_1898023
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 09:26:PM
Worse still..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 09:30:PM
Worse still..

Considering that I consider myself to be highly sensitive, bordering on me being someone who can be influenced by paranormal activity, I would seek to draw attention to the following...

The body of a child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 09:37:PM
Let's dig up the Murat drive!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2018, 09:39:PM
Let's dig up the Murat drive!

I can't afford to return to Luz, but if someone could pay for my flight, stay and return to the UK, there are two things I would try to achieve, in the absence of any action at the derelict building, and the Murat residence! I would risk being arrested for trespassing just so that we can all know Where the truth in this matter lies!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 07:26:AM
I don't for one moment believe that Scotland yard have solved the mystery of 'TANNERMAN', because the person they are seeking to rely upon as being that person, would not have been crossing the road junction where Jane Tanner places him, and he would not have been walking in the opposite direction to where his own apartment was..

Here is Scotland Yards 'Tannerman'...

Scotland Yard have moved the location of Totmans apartment (Block 4) and inadvertently relocated the evening creche, and in so doing they have got 'Tannerman' walking in the wrong direction carrying his child after collecting her from the evening creche on that key evening! The Jane Tanner sighting had 'Tannerman' walking across the road junction between block 5 and 6 - the Totmans family had an apartment in block 4 which is in the opposite direction, so after collecting his daughter from the evening creche and going back to his apartment there would have been no need for him to be walking across the top of the road junction in the complete opposite direction to where his apartment was situated!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 07:57:AM
Here is where the Totmans family were staying at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:02:AM
Here are the apartment block locations of the McCanns, and the Totmans families, for ease of reference and bearings:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:09:AM
Scotland Yard are basically incompetent, and have even got the place where the evening crèche was sited totally wrong - they have it at the main reception area, when the truth of the matter, is that it was held directly across the street (on the corner of the road junction) from Block 4..

Jane Tanner could not possibly have mistaken Totmans carrying his own child from the evening creche, because the location of the Jane Tanner sighting occurred at a totally different road junction, and she had the man carrying his child, or a child, in the complete opposite direction than Totmans would have been walking to return to his apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:14:AM
Scotland Yard are basically incompetent, and have even got the place where the evening crèche was sited totally wrong - they have it at the main reception area, when the truth of the matter, is that it was held directly across the street (on the corner of the road junction) from Block 4..

Jane Tanner could not possibly have mistaken Totmans carrying his own child from the evening creche, because the location of the Jane Tanner sighting occurred at a totally different road junction, and she had the man carrying his child, or a child, in the complete opposite direction than Totmans would have been walking to return to his apartment!

If there is any truth in the Jane Tanner man sighting, he was walking whilst carrying a child in the entirely opposite direction than Mr Totmans would have been walking trying to get back to his apartment, but 'Tannerman' was walking in the general direction where Murat's villa, and the Stephen Carpenter family were staying!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:16:AM
If there is any truth in the Jane Tanner man sighting, he was walking whilst carrying a child in the entirely opposite direction than Mr Totmans would have been walking trying to get back to his apartment, but 'Tannerman' was walking in the general direction where Murat's villa, and the Stephen Carpenter family were staying!

It's still possible that Jayne Tanner saw no-one at all carrying any child across the road junction, it could be a red herrin'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:20:AM
It's still possible that Jayne Tanner saw no-one at all carrying any child across the road junction, it could be a red herrin'..

Scotland Yard police have got it wrong, by claiming that the so-called 'Tannerman' has come forward and he has been eliminated...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:26:AM
I think there has got to be a common link between Gerry McCann, Stephen Carpenter, and Robert Murat who are all involved at the heart of this mystery! I also think or believe that Madeleines demise may be linked to Gerry McCanns involvement with the following aerobics instructor, on the evening prior to Madeleine's reported disappearance, an involvement which upset Kate McCann so much, that she left Gerry and his newly found soulmate to continue bonding back at the tapas restaurant, whilst Kate went back to their apartment and spent the entire night sleeping alone in the spare bed in the children's bedroom!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:29:AM
I think there has got to be a common link between Gerry McCann, Stephen Carpenter, and Robert Murat who are all involved at the heart of this mystery! I also think or believe that Madeleines demise may be linked to Gerry McCanns involvement with the following aerobics instructor, on the evening prior to Madeleine's reported disappearance, an involvement which upset Kate McCann so much, that she left Gerry and his newly found soulmate to continue bonding back at the tapas restaurant, whilst Kate went back to their apartment and spent the entire night sleeping alone in the spare bed in the children's bedroom!

Kate did not even know what time Gerry returned to apartment 5A that evening, or what antics he had been getting up to with his new found Soul mate!..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 08:35:AM
In her book ('Madeleine') she refers to Gerry's snoring habits as an excuse for why she had decided to sleep in the spare bed in the children's bedroom! But, it was clear that she took the fact that Gerry had been flirting with the aerobics instructor that really had pissed Kate McCann off!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 03:40:PM
In her book ('Madeleine') she refers to Gerry's snoring habits as an excuse for why she had decided to sleep in the spare bed in the children's bedroom! But, it was clear that she took the fact that Gerry had been flirting with the aerobics instructor that really had pissed Kate McCann off!

On the following day, Madeleine officially goes missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 03:40:PM
That's some coincidence!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 03:54:PM
We don't hear anything about any confrontation between the McCann parents, about Gerry's behaviour on the previous evening with the aerobatic instructor in the tapas bar, Kate simply leaves without Gerry, and hops into the spare bed in the children's bedroom! Kate doesn't mention that Madeleine and Sean had been crying at all during the previous night, or give it much thought next morning when Madeleine asks one or other of them, why they didn't come when she and Sean had been crying?

Was there an almighty row that night inside apartment 5A between Kate and Gerry, did this disturb the children who started crying, and as a result of this was Madeleine sedated, and did she die as a result of this?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 04:05:PM
Then, there is the vanishing dark canvas holdall, which was captured in one of the Police crime scene photographs - big enough to place the body of a little child inside it when the time came to temporarily hide, move, or bury the body! Once Madeleines body was inside that large canvas type holdall, it could have been moved around into different locations inside the apartment, such as in a wardrobe cupboard, on the floor next to the parents bed, and behind the sofa in the living room! Later on, was it put into the boot of the hire car, the Renault Scenic? Cadaveric traces found to be present at all these locations, and also on clothing belonging to Kate McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:13:PM
In one version of the events, there was talk about the disappearence of a little girl at around 9.30pm, as overheard by a tapas restaurant chef...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:15:PM
In one version of the events, there was talk about the disappearence of a little girl at around 9.30pm, as overheard by a tapas restaurant chef...

Set against this (9.30pm), we have the McCann contingent claiming the alarm wasn't raised until Kate did her 10pm check of apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:17:PM
That's a 30 minute discrepancy involving all parties...

Maddie gone missing at 9.30pm, versus, Maddie gone missing at 10pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:22:PM
According to witness statements made by all the members of the tapas group who reacted to Kate McCanns alarm being raised at 10pm, Almost every member to a man makes no reference of Gerry McCann attending or being present at the apartment (5a) after Kate raised the 10pm alarm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:31:PM
According to witness statements made by all the members of the tapas group who reacted to Kate McCanns alarm being raised at 10pm, Almost every member to a man makes no reference of Gerry McCann attending or being present at the apartment (5a) after Kate raised the 10pm alarm...

The first time Gerry McCann gets a mention after Kate alerted everyone, was when he introduced himself into the narrative by claiming that he asked one of the tapas group to go to the main reception and report Madeleine's disappearence, but other evidence given by the group exclude Gerry McCann from having any involvement in the decision to alert reception! This is significant because it places Gerry McCann elsewhere at around 10pm, when Kate returns to the tapas bar to raise the alarm! Every indication is that Gerry McCann wasn't present at the tapas bar at 10pm when Kate went to do her check, or when she returned to raise the alarm of Madeleine's disappearance! Furthermore, he wasn't there at the apartment when Kate and others rushed back there...

Gerry McCann was almost certainly elsewhere, and it falls to be taken seriously that he could have been, or was 'SMITHMAN', who was carrying a child in his arms heading towards the coastline, the village church, and the derelict building at 5 Av desporades..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:38:PM
The first time Gerry McCann gets a mention after Kate alerted everyone, was when he introduced himself into the narrative by claiming that he asked one of the tapas group to go to the main reception and report Madeleine's disappearence, but other evidence given by the group exclude Gerry McCann from having any involvement in the decision to alert reception! This is significant because it places Gerry McCann elsewhere at around 10pm, when Kate returns to the tapas bar to raise the alarm! Every indication is that Gerry McCann wasn't present at the tapas bar at 10pm when Kate went to do her check, or when she returned to raise the alarm of Madeleine's disappearance! Furthermore, he wasn't there at the apartment when Kate and others rushed back there...

Gerry McCann was almost certainly elsewhere, and it falls to be taken seriously that he could have been, or was 'SMITHMAN', who was carrying a child in his arms heading towards the coastline, the village church, and the derelict building at 5 Av dos Pescadores, Praia Luz, Faro District..

But..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:39:PM
But..

It is also possible that 'SMITHMAN' was or could have been Stephen Carpenter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 09:48:PM
Raising the alarm at 9.30pm, and 10pm, suggests to me the possible involvement of Stephen Carpenter with Gerry McCann...

Or vice versa..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 10:18:PM
There's an old saying, 'loose lips, sink ships', and if I am not mistaken, somebody who was dining at the tapas restaurant bar knew something about the disappearence of Madeline McCann a good half an hour or more before Kate McCann officially raised the alarm at around 10pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 10:30:PM
There's an old saying, 'loose lips, sink ships', and if I am not mistaken, somebody who was dining at the tapas restaurant bar knew something about the disappearence of Madeline McCann a good half an hour or more before Kate McCann officially raised the alarm at around 10pm..

I believe that reference to the disappearence of Madeleine was overheard by a tapas restaurant chef around half an hour before Kate officially raised the alarm, involved Stephen Carpenter who then left the tapas bar to supposedly go back to his apartment - but that he took Madeleine's body away from apartment 5a, shortly after Russel O'Brien / Mat Oldfield had done their 9.30am check of the same!

'TANNERMAN' was almost certainly Stephen Carpenter, heading away from apartment 5a, and making his way in the general direction of his own apartment...

'TANNERMAN' could not have been Dr Totmans, because when Totmans collected his child from the evening creche, he wouldn't have been walking in the opposite direction across the top of the road junction to where his apartment was situated or located - the Scotland yard claim that 'TANNERMAN' has now been eliminated from all enquiries is a red herrin'...

Stephen Carpenter was almost certainly 'TANNERMAN'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 10:36:PM
To my way of thinking, there must have been some form of collusion between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter in the disappearence of Madeleine McCann, where Carpenter removed Madeleine's body from apartment 5a, before handing over the body of Madeleine to Gerry McCann who had made his way down to a prior arranged meeting place, where Madeleine's body would exchange hands, and enable Gerry McCann to be seen by the Smith contingent by around 10pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2018, 10:48:PM
To my way of thinking, there must have been some form of collusion between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter in the disappearence of Madeleine McCann, where Carpenter removed Madeleine's body from apartment 5a, before handing over the body of Madeleine to Gerry McCann who had made his way down to a prior arranged meeting place, where Madeleine's body would exchange hands, and enable Gerry McCann to be seen by the Smith contingent by around 10pm..

There may well have been prior arrangements for a second meeting point lower down towards the coastline, where Carpenter went there after handing over Madeleine's body let's say in the vicinity of the Baptista shop, and by a different route, was already in position in the rear garden of the derelict building to enable Gerry McCann to wait for an opportunity to be able to encroach on a patios area alongside the Black Bull public house, and lower Madeleines body into Stephen Carpenters arms! Thereafter Gerry would have walked the relatively short distance around the roads to end up by a gap in the perimeter fence at the front of the derelict building (5a Av. dos pescadores), enabling him to slip unnoticed into the grounds of the derelict building where Carpenter and McCann concealed her body..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 06:52:AM
There is something rather perculiar in the way that there is no mention at all about Stephen Carpenter in any witness statements made by Gerry or Kate McCann, or by any of the other 7 tapas group members, despite Carpenter himself making mention that he knew Gerry McCann very well, that he had played tennis with him on the afternoon on the day of Madeleines disappearance, ate at the tapas Restaurant with them, shared banter with him over drinks, and that he it was who had introduced Robert Murat to the McCanns so that he could be an unofficial interpreter between the McCann parents and the Portuguese police..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 06:58:AM
There is something rather perculiar in the way that there is no mention at all about Stephen Carpenter in any witness statements made by Gerry or Kate McCann, or by any of the other 7 tapas group members, despite Carpenter himself making mention that he knew Gerry McCann very well, that he had played tennis with him on the afternoon on the day of Madeleines disappearance, ate at the tapas Restaurant with them, shared banter with him over drinks, and that he it was who had introduced Robert Murat to the McCanns so that he could be an unofficial interpreter between the McCann parents and the Portuguese police..

And why is Stephen Carpenters witness statement to the Portuguese police withheld and unisclosed - what is so significant regarding what Stephen Carpenter has said in his witness statement that neither Stephen Carpenter himself, or the Portuguese police want anyone to get sight of, or to find out about?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 07:26:AM
All we know is that he made an original witness statement to the Portuguese police the contents of which remain undisclosed, and that the McCann parents don't even raise any questions at all about this fact - why?

Carpenter was questioned by Leicestershire police, regarding points he had made in the undisclosed Portuguese police statement, the gist of which appears to be about the finer details involving how he (Stephen Carpenter) first met Robert Murat and how it came about when he in turn introduced Murat to the McCanns for the first occasion on the morning of 4th May 2007, as well as, reference to how long he (Stephen Carpenter) had played tennis with Gerry McCann between around 2pm until 4.30pm on the afternoon of Madeleine's disappearance! And then of course, Carpenter gave an account about he and his wife and two children eating out at the tapas restaurant bar in a pre-booking slot of 7pm and claiming that by the time they (the Carpenter family, 2+2) got to the tapas restaurant on the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007, that the McCanns and all the other members of the tapas group were already there, which going on the McCann parents version of events could not possibly be true because according to them (the McCanns) they did not leave their apartment (5a) until 8.30am to go to the tapas restaurant to partake in their pre-booked evening meal! In addition we have Stephen Carpenter telling Leicestershire Constabulary in his witness statement that around 9.15pm to 9.30pm that Thursday evening after they had left the tapas bar to return to their own apartment (situated close to the Murat Villa), and as they were crossing the road from the small Ocean Club restaurant reception side of the road, close to the McCanns apartment 5a, his wife had heard someone repeatedly calling out the name, 'MADELEINE, MADELEINE, MADELEINE'...

Now this is of significant interest not only to the McCann parents, or themselves (the Carpenters), or to the Portuguese police, or to everybody and anybody who has been gripped and disturbed by the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, including myself - we all want to know what happened to her that on that evening!

Well, I think this reference to Stephen Carpenters wife overhearing someone repeatedly calling out Madeleine's name, as they were crossing the road to go back to their apartment is truly an astonishing piece of evidence which upon careful consideration opens up new possibilities regarding how (if) Madeleine McCann disappeared out of Apartment 5a that evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 07:34:AM

Well, I think this reference to Stephen Carpenters wife overhearing someone repeatedly calling out Madeleine's name, as they were crossing the road to go back to their apartment is truly an astonishing piece of evidence which upon careful consideration opens up new possibilities regarding how (if) Madeleine McCann disappeared out of Apartment 5a that evening...

For a start the time range of the leaving of the Carpenter entourage from the tapas bar between 9.15pm and 9.30pm becomes pivotal in trying to fathom out when Madeleine was 'taken' from the McCanns apartment (5a), because it puts Madeleine McCann possibly outside the apartment and fully conscious at a particular point during the 15 minutes of opportunity between 9.15am and 9.30pm, when the Carpenters left the tapas restaurant! Madeleine McCann must have been outside the McCann Apartment at that time, along with somebody who was calling out her name over and over again, and again?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 07:43:AM
For a start the time range of the leaving of the Carpenter entourage from the tapas bar between 9.15pm and 9.30pm becomes pivotal in trying to fathom out when Madeleine was 'taken' from the McCanns apartment (5a), because it puts Madeleine McCann possibly outside the apartment and fully conscious at a particular point during the 15 minutes of opportunity between 9.15am and 9.30pm, when the Carpenters left the tapas restaurant! Madeleine McCann must have been outside the McCann Apartment at that time, along with somebody who was calling out her name over and over again, and again?

The person who was calling out Madeleine's name, obviously knew Madeleine very well, and was either repeatedly calling out her name because she had had some sort of an accident where maybe she had been found amongst the shrubs beneath the patiod area above after she had climbed up there and fallen off, and somebody, possibly either Gerry McCann, Russell O'Bruen or May Oldfield were attempting to bring her around, or else Madeleine was being encouraged to leave Apartment 5a by someone who knew her, and who she knew herself!

On this scenario, the following suspects fall under scrutiny -(1) Gerry McCann himself, (2) Russell O'Brien, (3) Mathew Oldfield, (4) Jane Tanner, (5) Jez Wilkins, and (6) Stephen Carpenter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 08:13:AM

On this scenario, the following suspects fall under scrutiny - (1) Gerry McCann himself, (2) Russell O'Brien, (3) Mathew Oldfield, (4) Jane Tanner, (5) Jez Wilkins, and (6) Stephen Carpenter...

These six people (excluding Mrs Carpenter who heard someone repeatedly calling out Madeleines name) are the only known about persons who were not present back at the tapas bar any time between 9.05am and 9.30pm that Thursday evening! Gerry McCann was doing his check and got delayed for one reason or another, and en route back to join the others at the tapas restaurant he got way laid by Jez Wilkins who was pushing a pram! Then we have Jane Tanner leaving the tapas bar and she seeing Gerry and Jez engaged in conversation at the roadside, and then she seeing 'TANNERMAN' walking across the top of the junction, carrying a child in his arms, walking briskly along from left to right, leaving the general area of the McCanns apartment (5a) behind him, and walking off in the general direction of the Carpenter apartment, and or the Murat Villa! At 9.30am it was Russell O'Brien and Matt Oldfield to leave the tapas bar and supposedly check on the McCanns apartment (5a)...

Now, when Stephen Carpenter said that he and his family had left the tapas bar restaurant that night, somewhere between or around 9.15pm - 9.30am, he told Leicestershire police in his witness statement that there was no-one else visibly present in the street either before they crossed the street, or afterwards! So, this can't have been when either Gerry McCann was in the street alone, or when Gerry McCann was stood talking to Jez Wilkins in the same street, as attested to in one way or a other by both Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins themselves! The Carpenters couldn't have already left the tapas bar and find themselves crossing over onto the other side of the street in close proximity to apartment 5a when for example, Jane Tanner took it upon herself to leave the tapas restaurant and bar, and saw Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street, before seeing 'TANNERMAN' walking across the street junction carrying a child in his arms (I am mindful that Stephen Carpenter, himself was, or could have been 'TANNERMAN' at the time of this sighting! Moving forward, the Carpenters could not have been crossing the street when Russell O'BRIEN and Matt Oldfield walked out of the small Ocean Club reception and up hill towards the McCann Apartment at 9.30pm..

And so, a humongous question mark hangs over the activity surrounding the presence and absences, of the variously named people, who were either present at the tapas restaurant bar, or out and about, checking apartments, or collecting children, and going back to their own apartments!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 08:14:AM
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And so, a humongous question mark hangs over the activity surrounding the presence and absences, of the variously named people, who were either present at the tapas restaurant bar, or out and about, checking apartments, or collecting children, and going back to their own apartments!

Everything is pointing to a possible involvement of Stephen Carpenter, and or Gerry McCann, or both of them in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from apartment 5a that night!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 08:30:AM
Linked to this, is the fact that by 9.30pm, a couple were overheard to be discussing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by a tapas restaurant chef..

That couple couldn't have been the McCanns because they were never alone at a table together throughout the whole evening, there were always the other 7 tapas group members there with them at one time or another! The couple who were overheard to be talking about a missing child who had been taken has got to be the Carpenter couple! Otherwise, the McCanns would be in serious trouble, because they would have been found out promoting two occasions (9.30pm and 10pm) when Madeleine's disappearance had reportedly been alerted, half an hour or so a part from eachother!

Then again, if it had been the McCann couple who the chef had overheard talking about a child being taken at or by 9.30am, that half hour period between 9.30pm, and 10pm becomes a significant period during which it gave the McCann parents, one or other, or both, to get rid of Madeleine's body before they officially raised the alarm by way of Kate at 10pm!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 08:33:AM
With this in mind, this then brings into focus other important factors which have become part and parcel of the myth that is 'the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'..

For example:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 08:43:AM
With this in mind, this then brings into focus other important factors which have become part and parcel of the myth that is 'the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'..

For example:-

The following features spring to mind - (a) Gerry McCanns delay in doing his 9.05pm check of his apartment before his return to the tapas restaurant, (b) Jane Tanner's sighting of 'TANNERMAN', (c) the fact that the Carpenters could have left the tapas restaurant at 9.30pm, or thereabouts, (d) the fact that Kate allowed Russell O'Brien and Matt Oldfield to do a 9.30pm check, (e) Mrs Carpenter overhearing someone repeatedly calling out the name, 'MADELEINE, MADELEINE', at the time she was crossing the street after leaving the tapas bar, (f) the sighting of Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine by the Smith family at about 10pm, towards the coastline, (f) the marked absence of Gerry McCann at apartment 5a immediately after the alarm was raised...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 09:01:AM
To my way of thinking, I see a mysterious link between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter as the chief pratoganists, with co-operation of the other 8 tapas group members, who all appear to have played a bit part in promoting the idea that Madeleine NcCanns disappearance was not alerted until around 10om!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 09:02:AM
'Tannerman' could have been Stephen Carpenter - 'Smithman' was Gerry McCann, or at a push could have been Stephen Carpenter!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 09:06:AM
I don't believe any would be abductor took Madeleine McCanns body out through the corresponding bedroom window and steel shutter, somebody deliberately staged that part of the case! Depending upon who was responsible for staging it has a bearing on their culpability regarding the demise of Madeleine...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 09:13:AM
I don't believe any would be abductor took Madeleine McCanns body out through the corresponding bedroom window and steel shutter, somebody deliberately staged that part of the case! Depending upon who was responsible for staging it has a bearing on their culpability regarding the demise of Madeleine...

The roadside door in all the apartment blocks, including block 4 where Dr Totmans apartment was situated, in block 5 where the McCann Apartment was situated, and in block 6 which was where I stayed during my 2010 visit to the resort, have fire locks fitted which basically includes a sort of metal knob or match that you just swivel around which automatically unlocks the lock so that it minimises the time in case if an emergency for occupants to get out of the apartments if there was a fire, for example!

This means that whoever is responsible for taking Madeleine McCann out if apartment 5a, had no need to open a window, and a steel shutter, they came and went by either the poolside patio door (unlikely in my view), or the roadside front door, which were either unlocked, or in the case of the roadside door unlockable!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 09:22:AM
I pin a lot of emphasis on Mrs Carpenters recollection that she heard a person calling out Madeleines name repeatedly at the exact same time that the Carpenters were crossing the street after leaving the tapas bar that evening. Her husband Stephen Carpenter puts that time at between 9.15pm, and 9.30pm, but I believe Mrs Carpenter overheard someone repeatedly calling out Madeleines name a little bit earlier, from say 9.05am, onwards, which coincided with the time that Jeremy McCann went to do his laboured check of apartment 5a...

I think it was Gerry McCann who was overheard to be calling out Madeleines name repeatedly, because he stumbled upon some tragedy or other, which had befell Madeleine, not inside the apartment, but outside, probable in amongst the shrubs beneath the patio area...

She must have slid open the unlocked patio door, and climbed up on a chair or a table or the wall intending to look for her mommy and daddy and had fallen to her death!

I believe Mrs Carpenters account (via her husband's witness statements) is consistent with this having happened!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 11:17:AM
I pin a lot of emphasis on Mrs Carpenters recollection that she heard a person calling out Madeleines name repeatedly at the exact same time that the Carpenters were crossing the street after leaving the tapas bar that evening. Her husband Stephen Carpenter puts that time at between 9.15pm, and 9.30pm, but I believe Mrs Carpenter overheard someone repeatedly calling out Madeleines name a little bit earlier, from say 9.05am, onwards, which coincided with the time that Jeremy McCann went to do hislaboyred check of apartment 5a...

I think it was Gerry McCann who was overheard to be calling out Madeleines name repeatedly, because he stumbled upon some tragedy or other, which had befell Madeleine, not inside the apartment, but outside, probable in amongst the shrubs beneath the patio area...

She must have slid open the unlocked patio door, and climbed up on a chair or a table or the wall intending to look for her mommy and daddy and had fallen to her death!

I believe Mrs Carpenters account (via her husband's witness statements) is consistent with this having happened!

If it wasn't Gerry McCanns voice calling out Madeleine's name repeatedly, as the Carpenters crossed over the street in earshot of what was taking place, it must have been either Jane Tanner, Russel O'Brien or Mathew Oldfield, since they were the only living souls not at the tapas bar at one time or another in-between 9.05pm and 9.30pm - the person who was heard to be repeatedly calling out Madeleine's name, had to be one or other of the aforementioned individuals! They all knew Madeleine personally, and ' Madeleine' was familiar with all of them'...

The only other persons I could introduce into this scenario (a part from Stephen Carpenter, and Mrs Carpenter herself), would be Jez Wilkins, David Payne and Robert Murat...

I do not see Madeleine's disappearance being linked to a burglary that went wrong!

Madeleine was taken out of apartment 5a whichever way you might want to look at it, and everything points toward somebody who knew her, trying to get some sort of a response from her, or an encouragement to come along with them, at the time of Mrs Carpenters recollection!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 11:18:AM
Where is Mrs Carpenters Portuguese witness statement?

Where is her Leicestershire police witness statement?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 11:19:AM
Where is Mrs Carpenters Portuguese witness statement?

Where is her Leicestershire police witness statement?

Is she classed as a vulnerable adult?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 11:22:AM
In any event, Mrs Carpenters observation that she distinctly heard someone calling out Madeleine McCanns Christian name, is pivotal to the entire case, since it was obviously the voice of the person who found Madeleine, or the voice of someone about to take her out of the apartment never to return?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 11:25:AM
In any event, Mrs Carpenters observation that she distinctly heard someone calling out Madeleine McCanns Christian name, is pivotal to the entire case, since it was obviously the voice of the person who found Madeleine, or the voice of someone about to take her out of the apartment never to return?

At the time of Mrs Carpenters observation, 'Madeleine' McCann was already dead, or still alive!

Was the voice she heard calling out the Christian name 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' a female voice, or a male voice? Or was it a mixture, of let's say two different voices calling out Madeleine's Christian name?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 11:37:AM
At the time of Mrs Carpenters observation, 'Madeleine' McCann was already dead, or still alive!

Was the voice she heard calling out the Christian name 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' a female voice, or a male voice? Or was it a mixture, of let's say two different voices calling out Madeleine's Christian name?

The answer to these questions is pivotal in the truth being discovered about what really did happen to Madeleine McCann..

If the voice that Mrs Carpenter had heard that was calling out repeatedly 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' was a male voice, it focusses attention on the three male members of the tapas 9 group who were absent from the tapas bar and restaurant during the period in time when the Carpenters claimed they had left the tapas bar to return back to their own apartment! Similarly, if the voice which Mrs Carpenter had heard was the voice of a woman, then again, this would place the focus upon Jane Tanner, or as the case may be, upon Kate McCann herself! Additionally, if Mrs Carpenter heard the voices of a man and a woman calling out Madeleine's Christian name, over and over again, it could point to a joint enterprise involving either, Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, or if Mrs Carpenters account (via her husband's witness statements that he made to both the Portuguese police and Leicestershire police) is nothing far short of a faked narrative, designed to extract any involvement on the part of her husband Stephen Carpenter and herself of involvement from the proceedings, were the Carpenters responsible for removing Madeleine from apartment 5a, and were they the mystery couple who had supposedly entered apartment 5a on the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 11:41:AM
Why didn't the Portuguese police take a witness statement from Mrs Carpenter?

Similarly, why didn't Leicestershire police obtain a witness statement from Mrs Carpenter?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 12:02:PM
Why didn't the Portuguese police take a witness statement from Mrs Carpenter?

Similarly, why didn't Leicestershire police obtain a witness statement from Mrs Carpenter?

Surely, if Mrs Carpenter heard someone calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' several times whilst Mrs Carpenter was crossing over the street close to the front garden and patio area, and set of concrete steps belonging to the McCanns apartment in block 5 (5a) this is, or was the most significant piece of evidence in the entire two police investigations, to-date?

The somebody calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' was almost certainly the voice of the person who had found her after an accident of sorts, or it was the voice of the person, or people who took Madeleine away, dead, or alive!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 12:23:PM
Surely, if Mrs Carpenter heard someone calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' several times whilst Mrs Carpenter was crossing over the street close to the front garden and patio area, and set of concrete steps belonging to the McCanns apartment in block 5 (5a) this is, or was the most significant piece of evidence in the entire two police investigations, to-date?

The somebody calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' was almost certainly the voice of the person who had found her after an accident of sorts, or it was the voice of the person, or people who took Madeleine away, dead, or alive!

I can't image why burglars or even any abductor kidnapped the corpse of a dead child!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 12:29:PM
If Madeleine was dead, or had died as a result of an accident because she and the other siblings belonging to the McCann parents had been left unattended, with the patio door unlocked, and Madeleine had wandered out through the unlocked patio door and fallen down the set of concrete steps, or god forbid climbed up one patio chair, or a table or the raised balcony and fallen to her death into the garden below, then of course, the McCann parents would have been facing serious charges, they would have probably both been imprisoned, lost their jobs and had their other two children taken off them by Social Services or the powers that be! In those circumstances, it becomes easy to see why the McCann parents might want to get rid of, conceal, or dispose of Madeleine's body, as though she was a common piece of garbage people might throw in the bin!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 12:32:PM
The relationship between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter remains high on my list as requiring further investigation, because there has to be a reason why Gerry McCann and the other 8 tapas group members appear to have distanced themselves from him - whilst on the flip side, Stephen Carpenter raves about things he enjoyed doing in Gerry McCanns company, and all manner of adventure!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 12:55:PM
The relationship between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter remains high on my list as requiring further investigation, because there has to be a reason why Gerry McCann and the other 8 tapas group members appear to have distanced themselves from him - whilst on the flip side, Stephen Carpenter raves about things he enjoyed doing in Gerry McCanns company, and all manner of adventure!

I mean, why have the McCanns and friends allowed it to become accepted that Robert Murat forced himself upon themselves, if Stephen Carpenter had been responsible for introducing and recommending Murat to the McCanns as an interpreter?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:02:PM
Rather more puzzling, and worrying, is why several of the tapas group alleged that Robert Murat had been seen hanging around in the vicinity of the McCann Apartment and the Baptista supermarket around the time that Kate alerted everybody that 'Madeleine was gone', and that 'they'd taken her'? If Robert Murat had been hanging around the McCann Apartment around the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance, he would have surely known all about her having gone missing, and wouldn't have needed to enquire on the following morning of Stephen Carpenter why the police were present! According to Stephen Carpenter he told Robert Murat that a little girl had gone missing from one of the holiday apartments nearby...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:04:PM
Rather more puzzling, and worrying, is why several of the tapas group alleged that Robert Murat had been seen hanging around in the vicinity of the McCann Apartment and the Baptista supermarket around the time that Kate alerted everybody that 'Madeleine was gone', and that 'they'd taken her'? If Robert Murat had been hanging around the McCann Apartment around the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance, he would have surely known all about her having gone missing, and wouldn't have needed to enquire on the following morning of Stephen Carpenter why the police were present! According to Stephen Carpenter he told Robert Murat that a little girl had gone missing from one of the holiday apartments nearby...

Makes you wonder that Kate knew far more than she was making out to know by that stage!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:12:PM
Makes you wonder that Kate knew far more than she was making out to know by that stage!

For example, let's take the comment that Madeleine was supposed to have been crying along with Sean of the evening before her disappearance, when Madeleine asked Kate why she didn't come last night when they were crying? Surely a parent would try to find out why they had been crying and when? The fact of the matter was that some neighbour or other heard the crying which lasted over a good one hour period in duration, and it was common knowledge amongst some people that lived permanently in block 5 that a strange couple had actually entered apartment 5a at the time to find out what the commotion was all about? This was the evening when Kate and Gerry stayed out drinking until midnight, and which resulted in Kate sleeping in the spare bed in the children's bedroom upon her return to the apartment..

If they had left their apartment at around 8.30pm on that particular evening, without carrying out any checks, and had not returned until around midnight, it could mean that the McCann siblings, all three of them had been left unsupervised for three and a half hours or longer in an unlocked apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:21:PM
For example, let's take the comment that Madeleine was supposed to have been crying along with Sean of the evening before her disappearance, when Madeleine asked Kate why she didn't come last night when they were crying? Surely a parent would try to find out why they had been crying and when? The fact of the matter was that some neighbour or other heard the crying which lasted over a good one hour period in duration, and it was common knowledge amongst some people that lived permanently in block 5 that a strange couple had actually entered apartment 5a at the time to find out what the commotion was all about? This was the evening when Kate and Gerry stayed out drinking until midnight, and which resulted in Kate sleeping in the spare bed in the children's bedroom upon her return to the apartment..

If they had left their apartment at around 8.30pm on that particular evening, without carrying out any checks, and had not returned until around midnight, it could mean that the McCann siblings, all three of them had been left unsupervised for three and a half hours or longer in an unlocked apartment!

Any wonder then that Madeleine might have inadvertently had a terrible accident and died not inside the apartment, but outside beyond the unlocked patio door situated on the poolside of the premises? Had Madeleine got out through the very same unlocked patio door that the strange couple had apparently entered on the previous evening?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:27:PM
Another somewhat intriguing piece of information, concerns the brown stain which Kate McCann said she had found on Madeleine's pyjama top, on the morning of the 3rd May 2007? Kate claims that she washed 'it' that same day and put the stain down as tea spillage! But, there is no corroborating evidence to prove that Kate found the brown stain on the morning of the 3rd of May, or that she did wash Madeleines pyjama top that day! Maybe the stain got there as a result of Madeleine falling from the patio onto the garden below, and that the brown staining which Kate speaks about, was from the soil in the garden where she fell, or discolouring from her body striking the bark of bushes and shrubs during her fall!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:42:PM
What strikes me in this case, are the number of inconsistencies, contradictions and anomalies between the various accounts of all interested parties. It wreaks of a group of friends all trying to do one or other of their friends a favour, when this happens you always end up with confusion!

I am intrigued by a number of issues in this case, which as I have said are pivotal features in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann...

One such pivotal feature, involves the two entirely separate occasions when news breaks out at the tapas restaurant and bar, firstly at around 9.30am, followed by Kate McCanns dramatic alert at 10pm where she informs everybody that 'Madeleine is gone', and 'they've taken her'...

Yet earlier still (before 9.30pm) when the chef or a tapas restaurant bar employee came in to start work, he states that there was some commotion or other, at one of the tables that he passed when arriving at work, where there was some aggitated activity about something who might have gone missing, or so...

That couldn't surely have involved Kate or Gerry McCann at such an early time, could it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:45:PM

That couldn't surely have involved Kate or Gerry McCann at such an early time, could it?

How about the following scenario...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:52:PM
The Carpenters were approached by Gerry McCann to help him cover up the accidental death of his daughter (Madeleine) which had come about due to the McCann parents leaving their three siblings home alone in an insecure, unlocked apartment? What if the Carpenters had been the couple who had gone into the McCann Apartment (5a) on the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying? Maybe the McCanns and the Carpenters, or one or other of them, had had words about the previous evenings events? This is interesting because according to Stephen Carpenter he was talking to the McCann parents over dinner and whilst drinking before Gerry McCann went to do the first check of the evening on the 3rd May 2007 at their apartment (5a) at around 9.05pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2018, 01:57:PM
The Carpenters were approached by Gerry McCann to help him cover up the accidental death of his daughter (Madeleine) which had come about due to the McCann parents leaving their three siblings home alone in an insecure, unlocked apartment? What if the Carpenters had been the couple who had gone into the McCann Apartment (5a) on the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying? Maybe the McCanns and the Carpenters, or one or other of them, had had words about the previous evenings events? This is interesting because according to Stephen Carpenter he was talking to the McCann parents over dinner and whilst drinking before Gerry McCann went to do the first check of the evening on the 3rd May 2007 at their apartment (5a) at around 9.05pm...

Did one or other of the Carpenters, or both of them follow Gerry McCann out of the tapas restaurant when he went to do his 9.05am check at apartment 5a? And was this the occasion when the Carpenters crossed the road on the opposite side to apartment 5a, and that it was at this time that Mrs Carpenter overheard Gerry McCann repeatedly calling out Madeleine's name, because he had discovered her laying dead amongst the bushes and shrubs beneath the patio on the pool side of apartment 5a?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 08, 2018, 07:06:PM
The cadaver dog signalled a positive alert beneath the patio in shrubs, consistent with a corpse having been resting there, or placed there on some occasion or other..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 08, 2018, 07:20:PM
(a) Eddie, the Cadaver dog gave a positive reaction to a light blue tee shirt belonging to Gerry McCann, a positive alert which was not officially recognised or listed - this may be because the Portuguese police have photographic and video or CCTV footage of all the occasions that Gerry McCann wore it!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 08, 2018, 07:54:PM
(b) Another positive alert by Eddie the Cadaver dog was a white coloured vest belonging to Kate McCann...

Here, (a+b) we see a photograph where Gerry is wearing the light blue Oniel tee shirt, and Kate is wearing the white coloured vest (both of which tested positive by Eddie the Cadaver dog)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 08, 2018, 08:44:PM
(x, y, z) None of the holiday clothing worn by Madeleine before she vanished were made available by the McCanns for exposure to Eddie, the Cadaver dog!

In some sources it claims that one item of clothing belonging to Madeleine was positively reacted to by Eddie the Cadaver dog, but to date the only item I can find any mention of, is the toy Cuddle Cat (g)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 08, 2018, 08:47:PM
The following items of clothing worn by Sean during the day time were positively alerted to by Eddie the Cadaver dog:-

(c) red coloured tee shirt with motif

(d) blue coloured jogging bottoms

(e) Eddie the cadaver dog alerting positively to Sean McCanns red coloured top
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 08, 2018, 08:50:PM
So too, were the checked ladies trousers worn by Kate McCann..

(f) Eddie the Cadaver dog signalled positively toward the checked coloured trousers belongibg to and which were worn by  Kate McCann during the holiday after Madeleine disappeared..

(g) Eddie the Cadaver dog signalled positively at Cuddle Cat
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 10:06:AM
Inside apartment 5a:-

(h) Eddie signalled positively at a wardrobe at the side of the Parents bed!

(i) Eddie signalled positively behind the sofa in the living room

(j) Keela signalled positively for a presence of blood behind the same sofa on a separate occasion

Eddie the Cadaver dog also signalled positively at bushes and shrubs beneath the patio on the pool side of the apartment!


Gerry McCann was present amongst the shrubs and bushes underneath the patio situated on the poolside of Apartment 5a, on the same evening that Kate McCann alerted everyone that 'Madeleine is gone', they've taken her'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 10:46:AM
All the items of Cadaveric contaminated clothing with the exception of Cuddle Cat (which was in the middle of the living room at a villa which the McCanns moved into weeks later) were placed in piles by the McCanns at the villa, because they had been tipped off that the Portuguese police were intending to be doing a forensic search of the villa they had been staying in, post date the day of Madeleines reported disappearance..

All these contaminated items had been placed in the same box, when arriving at the Lab' prior to testing..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 10:49:AM
Then..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 10:50:AM
Then..

There was the hired Renault Scenic Car used three weeks after Madeleine's disappearence...

(I) Keela the Blood hound signalled positively to the presence of human blood on the ignition key of the Renault scenic, and (m) a further positive reaction to human blood in the boot of the same hire car

(n) Eddie the Cadaver dog signalled positively to the presence of Cadaveric material on the ignition key of the hire vehicle
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 11:01:AM
 (1) https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/07/english-defended-use-of-dogs-correio-da.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 12:43:PM
The McCann parents and team McCann have been very rudely dismissive of the work done in connection with the disappearence of their daughter Madeleine, the same careless attitude Kate MacCann adopted when she refused to answer 48 or so questions that the Portuguese police wanted answering to help them solve what had actually happenned to Madeleine, and if she was still alive, to bring her back to them! When it was put to Kat by the Portuguese police that her refusal to answer any of these questions did she realised that this was hampering the police efforts to find Madeleine, Kate said that she understood that / this...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 12:44:PM
The McCann parents and team McCann have been very rudely dismissive of the work done in connection with the disappearence of their daughter Madeleine, the same careless attitude Kate MacCann adopted when she refused to answer 48 or so questions that the Portuguese police wanted answering to help them solve what had actually happenned to Madeleine, and if she was still alive, to bring her back to them! When it was put to Kat by the Portuguese police that her refusal to answer any of these questions did she realised that this was hampering the police efforts to find Madeleine, Kate said that she understood that / this...

Why wouldn't any parent want to co-operate with the police when their child is missing?

In such circumstances, especially in a foreign country, the police are best positioned to find out what happenned to anybody's child - forget about a parent having the right to remain silent, in order so that they can't incriminate themselves!

It was the parents and their gang who contacted the police in the first Instance asking the. To help find her, and then for the parents to refuse to answer any questions beggars belief...

Kate McCann knows the truth, you can see how much it pains her every time she tries to press home the narrative she has been fed, by her husband and team McCann.

Any body else faced in the same situation would not have received such great support from the British Government or even get an official spokesperson to act on their behalf! Any body else, would have been locked up, until trial, convicted and sentenced...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 09, 2018, 03:22:PM
The McCann parents and team McCann have been very rudely dismissive of the work done in connection with the disappearence of their daughter Madeleine, the same careless attitude Kate MacCann adopted when she refused to answer 48 or so questions that the Portuguese police wanted answering to help them solve what had actually happenned to Madeleine, and if she was still alive, to bring her back to them! When it was put to Kat by the Portuguese police that her refusal to answer any of these questions did she realised that this was hampering the police efforts to find Madeleine, Kate said that she understood that / this...
I suppose when you're named as arguidos in a foreign country the best course might be to take your solicitor's legal advice.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 09, 2018, 06:39:PM
(1) https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/07/english-defended-use-of-dogs-correio-da.html

Interesting read.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 09, 2018, 07:19:PM
Interesting read.
There's a video here rejecting the cadaver dog evidence. https://youtu.be/VHZ1YDTc7sA
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 07:50:PM
There's a video here rejecting the cadaver dog evidence. https://youtu.be/VHZ1YDTc7sA

Thanks, I'll take a look later on tonight!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2018, 07:54:PM
I've been paying particular attention of late to the 'armchair Detective' presentation of the facts concerning the use of the two dogs in the McCann case on YOU TUBE, I find his arguments rather compelling, as opposed to team McCanns interpretation..

Also..

take a look here:-

(1) -  http://www.mccannsnifferdogs.hol.es/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:19:AM
There's a video here rejecting the cadaver dog evidence. https://youtu.be/VHZ1YDTc7sA

Yeah, watched it last night, it's always interesting to hear about another person's point of view, having said that in this case, however, the narrator appears to have got his facts wrong about both dogs being blood hounds, either that or I have not studied the true facts as in-depth as I thought that I had - in my understanding of the two dogs belonging to Grimes, one(Eddie) is a Cadaver dog, and the other (Keela) is the blood hound. From what I know the two Springer spaniels were never sent to search inside apartment 5a, at the same time. Neither did they both examine the Renault Scenic Hire Car together, and my understanding is that Grimes only used Eddie at the McCann villa, and on that occasion the McCanns had been prewarned that there was going to be a forensic search of the villa that day, and they left clothing in piles all over the place, which were subsequently placed into cardboard boxes, one box for each pile of clothing - the cardboard boxes that were used to transport the various piles of clothing had been checked beforehand to ensure there was no risk of accidental cross contamination related to any subsequent findings upon or to with any item taken...


I did not agree with several of the explanations given by the narrator of the video, he was too dismissive of everything and anything, continuosly relying upon the same statement which he repeated over and over again!

Let's take the work done by Eddie the Cadaver dog inside apartment 5a - no-one is claiming that this dog can tell the difference between the cadaveric scent of one dead person, or another, in specific terms. All Eddie did was detect a number of Cadaveric traces which gives an indication that there is, or there has been a dead human body at the place where Eddie signalled, or an item which came into contact with a recently deceased Cadaver! By the time Eddie conducted his routine at apartment 5a, the McCanns were no longer staying there, and so there was no possibility at that time, on that occasion, of Eddie being able to positively reacted to items of clothing containing the Cadaveric scent! The clothing belonging to Gerry McCann, Kate Healey and Sean McCann were positively reacted to much later, by Eddie, after these items of clothing had been removed from the villa which the McCanns were staying in later on...

I will deal with the Renault Scenic Hire Car in a moment..

But I would like to return to the work done by Eddie the Cadaver dog inside, and outside apartment 5a, where Eddie reacted positively to three key locations (1) on the floor in-between the bed and the cupboard in the parents bedroom, (2) not on the sofa in the living room, but on the floor immediately behind it, and (3) in the shrubs and bushes directly beneath the patio, on the poolside of the apartment..

It is possible, that Madeleine McCann died outside apartment 5a, not inside it..

Rather than believe 100% that she had died in the apartment, by some freak accident and that the parents concealed her body in their bedroom, on the floor between their bed and the wardrobe, and again on the floor, behind the sofa in the living room, I am much more inclined to believe that, either clothing which was being worn at the time of Madeleine McCanns demise, either worn by Madeleine herself, or clothing belonging to one or other of her parents, or both, and clothing which belonged to Sean, had been subsequently placed in these, those locations post any accident, or mishap! Alternatively, 'if' the parents are responsible for concealing Madeleine's body, it might be the case, that any bag containing the Cadaveric remains of Madeleine's passing over, soaked onto the floor in-between the bed and the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, and soaked into the floor behind the sofa in the living room of apartment 5a. It was never possible for Eddie the Caveric canine to be able prove that it was Madeleine McCanns dead body which had been there on that part of the parents bedroom floor, in-between their bed and the wardrobe, in the same way it could never be proven that Madeleine's remains had been behind the sofa, based solely upon any positive reaction given by Eddie. Nobody is claiming that / this as far as I know, since we have all been made fully aware that where Eddie has given a positive reaction, it has to be treated as an indicator! Independent coroberative evidence is always required in order to sustain a firm belief that a body was there, and that the body was that of this person, man, woman or child, or not!

But, by the same token, it appears to me in the circumstances of this case, that there exists an array of indicators to satisfy the curiosity of the police to the fact that these two locations inside apartment 5a which Eddie the Cadaver dog reacted positively is sufficient enough to allow the police to think along the lines, that a missing persons body could have been temporarily concealed as part of the disposal stage in any act involving that person's suspected death!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:34:AM

But, by the same token, it appears to me in the circumstances of this case, that there exists an array of indicators to satisfy the curiosity of the police to the fact that these two locations inside apartment 5a which Eddie the Cadaver dog reacted positively is sufficient enough to allow the police to think along the lines, that a missing persons body could have been temporarily concealed as part of the disposal stage in any act involving that person's suspected death!

Which brings me, onto the confirmed fact that Eddie the Cadaveric canine, reacted positively amongst a bush and shrubs in the garden of Apartment 5a, situated rather conveniently beneath the patio on the poolside of the apartment - an ideal location to conceal the body of a small child in a bag, or a holdall, you might think? Not necessarily immediately after her death, her remains, or something which had come into contact with her remains, could have been the reason for Eddie the Cadaveric canine to react positively at that location, it might have been an item or items of clothing, an instrument used in the disposal of a body, a bag or a holdall which was being used, or had already been used to dispose of the body (I emphasize, not necessarily Madeleine McCanns body)..

So, with these things in mind, I now want to move on to the items of clothing that were removed much later on, from the McCann villa..

Eddie the Cadaveric canine only reacted positively to Cuddle Cat when Grimes went to the villa - he did not work Keela at the villa at all!

The boxes of previously piled items of clothing were taken to a forensic facility or place well away from the McCanns villa, and one by one each box of clothing was laid out on an underground carpark, which had previously been sanitized to eliminate the possibility of innocent cross contamination. Eddie went to work, examining item by item from each box, and failed to react at all to the contents of the first two or three box contents. However, a number of items which had all been placed inside another, and the same box provoked a positive reaction  from Eddie the Cadaveric Canine. These items included (1) a white vest belonging to Kate Healey, (2) a pair of checked ladies trousers, also belonging to Kate Healey, (3) a light blue 'Oniel' tee shirt belonging to Gerry McCann, (4) a red coloured motif top, (5) and pair of dark blue jogging bottoms belonging to Sean McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:57:AM
At some point in time, all of these 'signalled' items of clothing would have been worn, washed, and in storage in apartment 5a, around the time, or shortly after Madeleine McCanns disappearance!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 09:10:AM
At some point in time, all of these 'signalled' items of clothing would have been worn, washed, and in storage in apartment 5a, around the time, or shortly after Madeleine McCanns disappearance!

This brings me to the fact that last night I sat and watched the video clip that I was recommended to see, which gives an alternative view to mine!

There was one particular part of the video, where the narrator was ridiculing the way which Eddie was supposedly signalling the presence of Cadaveric scent on the floor in-between the bed and the wardrobe in the McCann parents bedroom at apartment 5a - the narrator was saying that Eddie had his nose held high up inside the wardrobe when he was signalling, not low down in the bottom of the wardrobe, or on the floor space between it and the bed..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 09:24:AM
This brings me to the fact that last night I sat and watched the video clip that I was recommended to see, which gives an alternative view to mine!

There was one particular part of the video, where the narrator was ridiculing the way which Eddie was supposedly signalling the presence of Cadaveric scent on the floor in-between the bed and the wardrobe in the McCann parents bedroom at apartment 5a - the narrator was saying that Eddie had his nose held high up inside the wardrobe when he was signalling, not low down in the bottom of the wardrobe, or on the floor space between it and the bed..

Ok, Ok, Ok...

Look at this photograph taken by the Portuguese police, it shows Eddie the Cadaveric canine inside the bottom of the wardrobe, next to which is another photograph taken whilst the McCanns were still using the apartment, and it shows a pile of clothes, which are believed to be amongst the ones which Eddie signalled as containing cadaveric odour later on. Note the large canvas type holdall on the second shelf, it's big enough to conceal the body of a small child the position of the holdall on the second shelf is exactly the same location and height that Eddie the Cadaveric canine signalled inside the wardrobe.. .

Look, the clothing that was in this bag, has been removed and placed on the 1st shelf in the carriage, and the Holdall looks like it's got something else inside it!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 09:32:AM
Now, pay attention to the following photographic image that I am about to post, and consider whether or not, Gerry and Kate McCann had an accomplice, or whether, one or other, acted alone, or in a joint enterprise?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 02:42:PM
I am almost certain that I have seen at least one photograph of either Russell O'BRIEN, or Mathew Oldfield carrying a canvas type holdall which was identical to the one captured on the second shelf of the wardrobe in the McCann parents bedroom in apartment 5a. It would be an interesting exercise to find that photograph with a view to pinpointing the actual date that that photograph was taken!

I have a feeling that it was a photograph that was taken when either Russell O'Brien and or Mathew Oldfield turned up to be interviewed by the Portuguese police..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 02:51:PM
I will now deal with the examination of the hired Renault Scenic, by Eddie and Keela..

I believe I am correct in saying that Eddie signalled positively for traces of Cadaveric oduor, in the boot and the drivers side footwell and the ignition keys, and that Keela reacted positively to the ignition keys and the boot of the hire car!

Again, no-one is claiming that the Cadaveric odour presence in the boot, in the drivers footwell, and on the ignition keys, or that the human blood detected in the boot of the car, and upon the ignition keys to that Hired Renault Scenic motor vehicle, belonged exclusively to Madeleine McCann, or to any other person, because the work that these dogs do, can't go beyond giving a positive reaction or indication of a presence of Cadaveric odour, or a presence of human blood. Once this is either confirmed or disproved, the work from the dogs is completed and they are withdrawn!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 02:52:PM
I will now deal with the examination of the hired Renault Scenic, by Eddie and Keela..

I believe I am correct in saying that Eddie signalled positively for traces of Cadaveric oduor, in the boot and the drivers side footwell and the ignition keys, and that Keela reacted positively to the ignition keys and the boot of the hire car!

Again, no-one is claiming that the Cadaveric odour presence in the boot, in the drivers footwell, and on the ignition keys, or that the human blood detected in the boot of the car, and upon the ignition keys to that Hired Renault Scenic motor vehicle, belonged exclusively to Madeleine McCann, or to any other person, because the work that these dogs do, can't go beyond giving a positive reaction or indication of a presence of Cadaveric odour, or a presence of human blood. Once this is either confirmed or disproved, the work from the dogs is completed and they are withdrawn!

But..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 03:04:PM
But..

The positive signalling by either of these two dogs, provides indicators which can when considered collectively help the police to build up a picture around what they are dealing with - everything starts off at ground zero (apartment 5a), Cadaveric traces on the bedroom floor and the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, and on the floor behind the sofa in the living room, and extends to the shrubs in the garden on the poolside of the apartment, followed by items of clothing belonging to the parents (Kate's checked trousers and her white vest, and Gerry's light blue 'O'neil' tee-shirt and to one of their other siblings (Sean) the red coloured motif top and blue jogging bottoms, and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat (items which were in all probability had been worn or clutched by one or other, or each of them around the time of Madeleine's disappearance, ending up with traces of Cadaveric odour and blood in a hire care the couple rented some three weeks later
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 03:36:PM
The positive signalling by either of these two dogs, provides indicators which can when considered collectively help the police to build up a picture around what they are dealing with - everything starts off at ground zero (apartment 5a), Cadaveric traces on the bedroom floor and the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, and on the floor behind the sofa in the living room, and extends to the shrubs in the garden on the poolside of the apartment, followed by items of clothing belonging to the parents (Kate's checked trousers and her white vest, and Gerry's light blue 'O'neil' tee-shirt and to one of their other siblings (Sean) the red coloured motif top and blue jogging bottoms, and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat (items which were in all probability had been worn or clutched by one or other, or each of them around the time of Madeleine's disappearance, ending up with traces of Cadaveric odour and blood in a hire care the couple rented some three weeks later

I would invite everyone to consider the following scenario...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 07:49:PM
I would invite everyone to consider the following scenario...

Madeleine died outside apartment 5a, as a result of a fall from the patio wall, after both she and Sean had been crying constantly for over two hours, and a middle aged couple had already entered the McCanns apartment to try and comfort them. Two female holiday makers who were staying in one of the upper apartments of block 5 had a bird's eye view of the elevated patio area of the McCanns apartment, and garden on the poolside of the premises! These two women also had a clear view of the road and pavements which ran parralellel with the end of apartment 5a, as well as a clear view of a thoroughfare footpath that ran parralellel with the apartment gardens on the poolside! One of these two women was a barrister! They had booked a month long holiday at the resort, and most days and evenings and nights they had a rigid routine, which by 9.00am each evening they would both retire to the veranda of there apartment and relax whilst talking about the day's events with a glass of whiskey! Then at about 10pm each evening they would both retire to bed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 07:56:PM
Madeleine died outside apartment 5a, as a result of a fall from the patio wall, after both she and Sean had been crying constantly for over two hours, and a middle aged couple had already entered the McCanns apartment to try and comfort them. Two female holiday makers who were staying in one of the upper apartments of block 5 had a bird's eye view of the elevated patio area of the McCanns apartment, and garden on the poolside of the premises! These two women also had a clear view of the road and pavements which ran parralellel with the end of apartment 5a, as well as a clear view of a thoroughfare footpath that ran parralellel with the apartment gardens on the poolside! One of these two women was a barrister! They had booked a month long holiday at the resort, and most days and evenings and nights they had a rigid routine, which by 9.00am each evening they would both retire to the veranda of there apartment and relax whilst talking about the day's events with a glass of whiskey! Then at about 10pm each evening they would both retire to bed...

They were knocked up out of their beds at about 11pm on the 3rd May 2007, by one or other members of the tapas 9 group and told that a child had gone missing from one of the other apartments on the block, and asked if they had noticed anything strange or unusual around the apartment block which might shed some light on what had taken place? Both women replied by saying that neither of them had seen anything unusual on that particular evening, and offered their help in searches which were already underway! Apparently these two ladies took part in the searching of nearby wasteland, and roads and footpaths without any success! They even looked inside Waste bins they came upon...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 07:59:PM
They were knocked up out of their beds at about 11pm on the 3rd May 2007, by one or other members of the tapas 9 group and told that a child had gone missing from one of the other apartments on the block, and asked if they had noticed anything strange or unusual around the apartment block which might shed some light on what had taken place? Both women replied by saying that neither of them had seen anything unusual on that particular evening, and offered their help in searches which were already underway! Apparently these two ladies took part in the searching of nearby wasteland, and roads and footpaths without any success! They even looked inside Waste bins they came upon...

That same night, they claim to have seen Kate McCann in a very distraught state being comforted by a female member of the tapas 9 group who was almost certainly Fiona Payne, who were both outside apartment 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:12:PM
On the following morning the two ladies spoke personally to Kate and Gerry McCann offering their sympathies, and at this time they took the opportunity to recount the rather odd behaviour of two blonde haired men who had been acting rather suspiciously on the veranda patio of an unoccupied apartment on the ground floor of block 5. The apartment in question was not the one next door to the McCanns (which as it turns out was the Oldfields apartment) but the next one on! The two women stayed in an apartment on the upper floor, which in official terms was the apartment above the one where the Oldfields were lodging (beneath them). The two blonde haired men were seen on the veranda patio of the unoccupied apartment, the next but one apartment away from where the McCanns were staying, or in other words, next door to the Payne's!

The women recounted how one of these men had excessively curly blonde hair, and that one of the two had been observed to walk down a set of steps in the direction of the thoroughfare footpath, look up and see the two ladies looking at him, then gone back up the same steps, to join the other blonde haired man on the patio of the unoccupied apartment! But, these observations had not taken place on the evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007, nor on the previous evening (Wednesday, 2nd May 2007), but rather on the Tuesday Evening, the 1st May 2007, between 9.00pm and 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:25:PM
On the following morning the two ladies spoke personally to Kate and Gerry McCann offering their sympathies, and at this time they took the opportunity to recount the rather odd behaviour of two blonde haired men who had been acting rather suspiciously on the veranda patio of an unoccupied apartment on the ground floor of block 5. The apartment in question was not the one next door to the McCanns (which as it turns out was the Payne's apartment) but the next one on! The two women stayed in an apartment on the upper floor, which in layman's terms was the apartment above the one where the Payne's were lodging (beneath them). The two blonde haired men were seen on the veranda patio of the unoccupied apartment, the next but one apartment away from where the McCanns were staying, or in other words, next door to the Payne's!

The women recounted how one of these men had excessively curly blonde hair, and that one of the two had been observed to walk down a set of steps in the direction of the thoroughfare footpath, look up and see the two ladies looking at him, then gone back up the same steps, to join the other blonde haired man on the patio of the unoccupied apartment! But, these observations had not taken place on the evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007, nor on the previous evening (Wednesday, 2nd May 2007), but rather on the Tuesday Evening, the 1st May 2007, between 9.00pm and 10pm...

As a result of what these two female holiday makers had seen, they contacted the Portuguese police expecting that somebody would take a witness statement from them, but no one contacted them at all!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:29:PM
After six months without an approach being made to these two female witnesses, the ladies decided to take matters into their own hands, and set about instigating contact with the police over these matters! Eventually, Leicestershire police contacted them and they made separate witness statements covering everything they had witnessed between 9.00pm and 10pm on each of the three evenings (1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007) from the vantage point of their veranda...

These observations were very precisely reported, including the suspicious activities of the two blonde haired men  on the evening of Tuesday, 1st May 2007, who in their opinion was a stand out feature! On  Wednesday 2nd May 2007, the two ladies in question, recounted to Leicestershire police ( in separately obtained witness statements) the middle aged couple who had gone into the McCann Apartment for the purpose of trying to pacify the crying children (Sean and Madeleine), the entry into apartment 5a by this middle aged couple had occurred during the hour long period when the two women had been enjoying their hour long period of winding down, sipping a glass of whiskey, reflecting on the days activities, and musing  over the view before them, including a bird's eye view of the  patio, and garden of the McCanns apartment, the thoroughfare footpath,  the road and pavements alongside apartment 5a, and the tapas bar restaurant and pool of the Ocean Club at such a crucial period before at around 10pm, that night, and each night they had retired to bed!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:54:PM
After six months without an approach being made to these two female witnesses, the ladies decided to take matters into their own hands, and set about instigating contact with the police over these matters! Eventually, Leicestershire police contacted them and they made separate witness statements covering everything they had witnessed between 9.00pm and 10pm on each of the three evenings (1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007) from the vantage point of their veranda...

These observations were very precisely reported, including the suspicious activities of the two blonde haired men  on the evening of Tuesday, 1st May 2007, who in their opinion was a stand out feature! On  Wednesday 2nd May 2007, the two ladies in question, recounted to Leicestershire police ( in separately obtained witness statements) the middle aged couple who had gone into the McCann Apartment for the purpose of trying to pacify the crying children (Sean and Madeleine), the entry into apartment 5a by this middle aged couple had occurred during the hour long period when the two women had been enjoying their hour long period of winding down, sipping a glass of whiskey, reflecting on the days activities, and musing  over the view before them, including a bird's eye view of the  patio, and garden of the McCanns apartment, the thoroughfare footpath,  the road and pavements alongside apartment 5a, and the tapas bar restaurant and pool of the Ocean Club at such a crucial period before at around 10pm, that night, and each night they had retired to bed!

Well..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2018, 08:56:PM
Well..

My understanding of the events as observed by these two ladies, from the vantage point of their balcony, for a one hour long period, between 9.00am and 10am, on the evening of 3rd May 2097, beggars belief!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:11:AM
My understanding of the events as observed by these two ladies, from the vantage point of their balcony, for a one hour long period, between 9.00am and 10am, on the evening of 3rd May 2097, beggars belief!

Allow me to recite the facts as spoken to Leicestershire police by these two birds eye view witnesses, throughout the entire period, 9.00pm to 10pm, on Thursday, 3rd May 2007!

I can report to you all that neither of these two ladies saw Gerry McCann making his 9.05pm visit to the family apartment (5a), or his contact with Jez Wilkins in the street outside, or Jane Tanner's exit from the tapas bar restuarant at around 9.10pm. Neither did either of these two ladies see Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield do their 9.30pm checks - they told Leicestershire police that they saw nobody coming or going back and forth between the tapas bar restaurant during the hour long period they sat on their apartment veranda between 9pm and about 10pm...

It should not be overlooked, that the Carpenters supposedly also left the tapas bar restaurant between 9.15pm  and 9.30pm, and that the two ladies sitting on their first floor apartment veranda did not see them..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:36:AM
So, Leicestershire police have the witness statements from these two eye witnesses on events as observed by them at the same time on three consecutive evenings (9pm - 10pm), Tuesday, 1st May 2007, Wednesday 2nd May 2007, and Thursday 3rd May 2007...

Everything points to the fact that on three consecutive evenings, that the McCann parents and the other parents in their group, had not been making regular half hourly checks on their children in their apartments. In particular, the only activity worthy of note, as observed by these two eye witnesses from the vantage point of their veranda which lasted an hour or so each of these three consecutive evenings, were (a) a couple of blonde haired men acting suspiciously on the patio veranda of an unoccupied apartment two apartments away on the ground floor of the McCanns block on Tuesday, 1st May 2007, followed by (b) confirmation that a middle aged couple had been seen entering the McCann Apartment (5a) in an effort to comfort crying children who had been left unsupervised, on Wednesday, 2nd May 2007, and that (c) on Thursday, 3rd May 2007, the parents and their friends had not been making any regular checks at their apartments at any stage between 9pm and 10pm, Gerry McCann had not made a 9.05pm check of apartment 5a, Jane Tanner had not been seen making her 9.10pm check of her apartment, the Carpenter couple had not been seen leaving the Ocean club or seen crossing the road on their way back to their apartment near the Murat Villa, and Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield had not been seen making the 9.30pm check at apartment 5a, or their own apartments!

This evidence by these two eye witnesses (one is a barrister), seriously damages the McCann and their friends accounts about what really was going on that (Thursday, 3rd May 2007) evening, in particular, the movement of tapas group members back and forth between the tapas bar restaurant, and their apartments, especially any checks made to apartment 5a, by Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien or Mathew Oldfield...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 12:10:PM
The checks which the McCanns and their friends which they claim were made at apartment 5a, between 9pm and 10pm, appear not to have taken place at all!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 07:59:PM
The checks which the McCanns and their friends which they claim were made at apartment 5a, between 9pm and 10pm, appear not to have taken place at all!

Now..

Before we go any further...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:00:PM
Imagine the following scenario...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:02:PM
Imagine the following scenario...

The McCann parents and the other members of the tapas group have all been given immunity from prosecution in connection with any lie or dishonest fact they have introduced, or spoken about during the past 11 years or so...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:04:PM
The McCann parents and the other members of the tapas group have all been given immunity from prosecution in connection with any lie or dishonest fact they have introduced, or spoken about during the past 11 years or so...

Add to this, the fact that so called independent witnesses, for example, the Carpenters, and others, have had words put into their mouths, and that they too have been told that they will not be prosecuted for any false evidence, or lies they have told, or which has been attributed to them, as individuals, or collectively as a group?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:08:PM
Add to this, the fact that so called independent witnesses, for example, the Carpenters, and others, have had words put into their mouths, and that they too have been told that they will not be prosecuted for any false evidence, or lies they have told, or which has been attributed to them, as individuals, or collectively as a group?

What 'if' I was to throw into the argument, that the two female eye witnesses, who sat on their veranda each night of their month long stay in an apartment in block 5, between 9pm and 10pm, were infact, the middle aged couple that did enter apartment 5a (the McCann Apartment), on the evening of Wednesday, 2nd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:09:PM
What, 'if'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:13:PM
What, 'if'...

The reason why the Portuguese police took no interest in what they had to say, because they were so sure that the McCann parents and friend's, were suspected to have been telling lies, about the half hourly checks which were supposedly made on apartment 5a, that Thursday (3rd May 2007) evening?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:16:PM
The 'middle aged couple', who had entered apartment 5a, that Wednesday evening (2nd May 2007), was in my view, the damning evidence which should serve (eventually) to convict the McCann parents of the murder / or the mansaughter, of their daughter, Madeleine McCann!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:21:PM
If there was / is an innocent explanation for the death of Madeleine McCann, involving the responsibilities and  neglect by either, or both parents, then surely by adopting the approach they did and have, by claiming she had been abducted deserves to be taken into account, when they are eventually convicted in connection with her death!

When that time comes, nobody should afford the parents, each of them, any sympathy at all!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:21:PM
If there was / is an innocent explanation for the death of Madeleine McCann, involving the responsibilities and  neglect by either, or both parents, then surely by adopting the approach they did and have, by claiming she had been abducted deserves to be taken into account, when they are eventually convicted in connection with her death!

When that time comes, nobody should afford the parents, each of them, any sympathy at all!

What we are dealing with here, is corruption at the highest level...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:35:PM
No suspect, or suspects have ever been afforded the support and the protection of the UK police, or the government of the day, when they have been the focal point of the world's independent opinion that they know more than they have been telling the public at large, concerning the alleged circumstances of Madeleine McCanns demise!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:47:PM
No suspect, or suspects have ever been afforded the support and the protection of the UK police, or the government of the day, when they have been the focal point of the world's independent opinion that they know more than they have been telling the public at large, concerning the alleged circumstances of Madeleine McCanns demise!

The McCann parents really do know what did happen to their daughter, Madeleine McCann!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:48:PM
The McCann parents really do know what did happen to their daughter, Madeleine McCann!

It is an insult for them to pretend that they had no involvement in her disappearance!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:54:PM
The 'middle aged couple', who had entered apartment 5a, that Wednesday evening (2nd May 2007), was in my view, the damning evidence which should serve (eventually) to convict the McCann parents of the murder / or the mansaughter, of their daughter, Madeleine McCann!

(1) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared

The female couple, staying in the apartment above the Payne's (5B), or the Carpenters staying at FP02?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 08:58:PM
What we need to do, in order that we can get closer to the truth, is to find out the number of the apartment above the Payne's apartment (5B) where the two middle aged females were staying at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance! We need their names, and occupations!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:22:PM
I believe I have identified the apartment where the middle aged female couple were staying at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance - it is / was apartment 5L...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:24:PM
I believe I have identified the apartment where the middle aged female couple were staying at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance - it is / was apartment 5L...

I can now reveal that the unoccupied apartment next to the Oldfield Apartment (next door to the McCanns) was apartment 5C..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:24:PM
Here we are:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:31:PM
I can now reveal even more startling detail regarding the sighting of two blonde haired men on the patio of apartment 5C, by the couple of females who stayed at 5L - when I said earlier that one of these blonde haired men had left the patio area of 5C on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007, I may have been mistaken in my interpretation of what these ladies told the police! Since, it appears that a set of concrete steps were situated on the Payne's garden that led up to their patio (5D), and that it involved a slightly precariously hop over from the Payne's patio to the unoccupied one of 5C...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:33:PM
The lady who resided at 5G, who has since died, was reported as having told police that on the evening of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she heard the constant crying of a child, or children coming from the McCann Apartment (5A) and that a middle aged couple had entered the McCanns apartment to comfort the crying child, or children...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:45:PM
The lady who resided at 5G, who has since died, was reported as having told police that on the evening of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she heard the constant crying of a child, or children coming from the McCann Apartment (5A) and that a middle aged couple had entered the McCanns apartment to comfort the crying child, or children...

In fact..

She may have been referring to the female couple who were staying alongside her (5G) in apartment 5L..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:49:PM
I have no doubt whatsoever, that at some stage during Thursday 3rd May 2007, that the McCanns learned about the previous evenings activities, a part from hearing Madeleine herself declare at daylight, 'why didn't you come last night, when Sean and I were crying'? I believe they found out about the venture into their apartment (5A) by a middle aged couple on the previous evening whilst the parents wined and dined at the tapas bar - lending support to the reason why when Kate supposedly returned to the tapas bar after discovering ' Maddie' missing at around 10pm, she yelled out, 'Madeleine is gone', and 'they have taken her'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 09:58:PM
Latest twist in saga:-

(1) - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hunt-for-madeleine-mccann-could-be-shelved-within-three-weeks-fear-the-missing-girl%E2%80%99s-parents-as-funding-runs-out-with-no-new-leads-to-chase/ar-BBNa7hv
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 10:01:PM
I say - dig at the derelict building in the corner of the rear garden, take in the Cadaver dogs, and blood hounds, stop spending unnecessary public funding!

Let's recover Madeleines body and give her a decent Christian burial...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 10:06:PM
I say - dig at the derelict building in the corner of the rear garden, take in the Cadaver dogs, and blood hounds, stop spending unnecessary public funding!

Let's recover Madeleines body and give her a decent Christian burial...

The McCanns and their supporters make out a constant case that there is no evidence that Madeleine died, but I say dig up the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building! Recover Madeleines remains, then let everybody be reinvestigated!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 10:09:PM
The McCanns and their supporters make out a constant case that there is no evidence that Madeleine died, but I say dig up the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building! Recover Madeleines remains, then let everybody be reinvestigated!

The impression I get from what the McCann parents say, is that they don't really want Madeleine's remains to be recovered..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 10:10:PM
The impression I get from what the McCann parents say, is that they don't really want Madeleine's remains to be recovered..

Not because they think she may still be alive, but because if she is found to have been killed, that they know they will both be back in the frame!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 10:43:PM
The view afforded to the middle aged couple who were staying in apartment 5L, Tuesday 1st May, Wednesday 2nd May, and Thursday 3rd May 2007:-

The patio of the unoccupied apartment 5C where they saw two blonde haired men acting suspiciously on Tuesday, 1st May 2007; the visit into the McCanns apartment on Wednesday, 2nd May, 2007 when Madeleine and Sean were crying having been left home alone, and the couple went to comfort them, whilst the McCann parents were out getting drunk, and on Thursday, 3rd May 2007, when there did not exist any checks of apartment 5A at any stage between 9pm and 10pm that evening!

Apartment 5L - female couple at centre of Maddie Mystery set to be interviewed, again in last ditch effort to resolve the disappearance of Little Madeleine McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 10:57:PM
One of the couple is a barrister...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 10:58:PM
The McCanns and their tapas group friends did not do half hourly checks on any evenings, including the evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007 - the McCanns and their friends made it all up!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:01:PM
The McCanns and their tapas group friends did not do half hourly checks on any evenings, including the evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007 - the McCanns and their friends made it all up!

Operation Grange to be dissolved, with a fresh team due to replace them, where the parents and their friends are to be treated as suspects!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:04:PM
Operation Grange to be dissolved, with a fresh team due to replace them, where the parents and their friends are to be treated as suspects!

Operation Grange Officers refuse to dig up the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building because they fear that should Madeleine McCanns body or remains be found there, that it will undermine their integrity for not treating the parents as suspects, despite the parents seeking refuge in the village church only 50 years away from where the body of Madeleine was concealed post the date of her disappearance!

Here, is where they need to be looking...

This shallow grave was found by me in 2010, the person or people who were responsible for digging it, left the crow bar they used to prize bricks and large bolders from the ground (see crowbar in image)! If you stood in the hollow on top of this grave and looked in the direction of the village church, you can see the churches tower..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:14:PM
Despite all the man power used in the quest to find Madeleine McCanns body, no-one else has found such a clearly constructed shallow grave close to the spot where she vanished from, and within eyeshot of the village church where the mcCann parents sought nightly refuge post the tragedy!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:17:PM
Despite all the man power used in the quest to find Madeleine McCanns body, no-one else has found such a clearly constructed shallow grave close to the spot where she vanished from, and within eyeshot of the village church where the mcCann parents sought nightly refuge post the tragedy!

If her body isn't physically there now, I feel certain that forensic traces confirming that her body had been there, will be found!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:20:PM
If you gather up all the large rocks together, along with the surplus debris above ground level at the base of the hollow, it will produce a collective volume equivalent to the total mass of Madeleine McCanns body at the time of her disappearence!

11 Large rocks and bucket fulls of rubble and debris..

Remember the Smith family sighting of the man they saw carrying a little girl, heading down towards the coast - this sighting was very close to where the shallow grave was dug out!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:30:PM
Could somebody please go to Praia De Luz and dig up this shallow grave, and when Madeleine's body, or her remains are found, then contact the Portuguese police!

If there is anyone from Luz reading these posts, please do the decent thing and go and dig up this shallow grave, that neither the Portuguese police, or Leicestershire police, or the Metropolitan police want to do!

They don't want to find Madeleine McCanns body, the UK police are holding out and hoping that she will be found alive, but that would be some miracle!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:34:PM
The parents spent many of the first nights seeking shelter in the village church just across the street, causing the Portuguese police to suspect that the parents had concealed Madeleine's body in one of the underground crypts - but they weren't far off the truth, because they must have snook out of the church and crossed the street to enable to dispose of Madeleine McCann in that shallow grave, in that remote part of the rear garden of the derelict building!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:41:PM
As I say, the collective volume of those 11 Large rocks or bolders, plus the debris above the base line of the hollow, suggests that something of an equivalent volume is buried there in what can only be described as a shallow grave!

What is needed are the Cadaver dog and blood hound (now with the FBI), I think it would be very fitting if they were taken back to Luz to do their work inside the derelict building, and rear garden, including the shallow grave in the hollow - it would be just reward if the dogs gave a positive reaction and that Madeleine's body or her remains were recovered, it would be a thump in the eye for team McCann, who have been very dismissive of the use of the dogs, and the dogs track records...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:52:PM
I feel with 100% certainty, that this is the shallow grave were Madeleine McCanns body was disposed of, not only because it was inside one of the front rooms of the derelict building that I took the photograph dubbed ' The Ghost of MADDIE', but because of the actual negative energy at that spot in that hollow in that back garden - I will give you all an insight into what I am talking about!

what do you see when you look at this part of the shallow grave?

Look very Carefully..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2018, 11:58:PM
Well, believe it or not, what I see, is the spirit of little Madeleine McCann, rising up from the rubble beneath which lies her body...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 12:02:AM
Well, believe it or not, what I see, is the spirit of little Madeleine McCann, rising up from the rubble beneath which lies her body...

Look again..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 12:05:AM
And..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 12:10:AM
And..

Here's one that I personally took earlier, inside the derelict building:-

'Ghost of Maddie'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 12:13:AM
The body of Madeleine McCann was inside this derelict building, and her body was / is buried there in a shallow grave inside a hollow at the back of the rear garden, a grave which is overshadowed by reeds...

This is the supernaturals way of pinpointing where her body or her remains can be recovered from!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 12:22:AM
The body of Madeleine McCann was inside this derelict building, and her body was / is buried there in a shallow grave inside a hollow at the back of the rear garden, a grave which is overshadowed by reeds...

This is the supernaturals way of pinpointing where her body or her remains can be recovered from!!

I haven't faked or photoshopped any of these images, all I have done is crop the original images and blown up the key areas in the original photographs!

It's Madeleine's spirit on the floor in-between the wall and the edge of a bed mattress, and it's Madeleine McCanns spirit rising up from this makeshift shallow grave!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 12:26:AM
I think I have found Madeleine McCann, she is buried in a shallow grave in Praia De Luz, in the garden of a derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 07:33:PM
It's Madeleine's spirit calling out from the makeshift grave!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 07:49:PM
Let's give her a respectful burial...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 07:51:PM
Let's give her a respectful burial...

Madeleine McCann is dead, she deserves a proper Christian burial!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 07:52:PM
C'mon, monster parents, 'fess up and let's put this saga to bed!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 07:55:PM
C'mon, monster parents, 'fess up and let's put this saga to bed!

The rest of the World knows you know that Madeleine died - hey, guess what, your deaths are just over the horizon, you don't really think your both going to heaven, do you?

What...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 07:56:PM
Your deceiving your other two siblings, by continuing with this lie!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 07:57:PM
Your deceiving your other two siblings, by continuing with this lie!

Have you, no remorse?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2018, 08:03:PM
I can keep digging...

I can continue to probe and press, indefinately, you are both persons of extreme interest, Maddie has passed over, we know why you sought sanctuary in the village church, we know that during the first three or four days after you faked the disappearance of your daughter, that one of you, or both of you involved in a joint enterprise, buried her body in the back garden of the derelict building - maybe the supernatural forces will allow me to prove, you did it, you got rid of your own daughter's remains, rather than 'fess up' to the truth! You know Madeleine died, that she will never be found alive in any part of the world, your both responsible for her death!

Madeleine's spirit rises from the shallow grave where she is buried!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 03:59:AM
(1) - https://youtu.be/xHcwTx3DgDc
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 12:00:PM
The McCann parents, know that Madeleine died, they hid her body,vthey both know where gercreamainsccan be found - both of them need to take a lie detector test, and asked the following questions:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 12:02:PM
The McCann parents, know that Madeleine died, they hid her body,vthey both know where gercreamainsccan be found - both of them need to take a lie detector test, and asked the following questions:-

Independent of one another...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 12:03:PM
Independent of one another...

QUESTIONS..

(1) - DO YOU KNOW WHETHER Madeleine is dead, or do you hold out on and with the presupposition that she could be, and is still alive?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 12:06:PM
(2) - was Madeleine still alive when you left apartment 5a to go to the tapas restaurant at 8.30pm, on the evening of Thursday, 3rd May?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 12:11:PM
(3) - did you, or were you involved in  the removal of Madeleine's body, to the derelict building, in particular, the left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building across the street from the village church where you sought refuge each night, to try and avoid the media and publicity?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 02:02:PM
(4) - How did another couple know about the disappearence of a Child, half an hour before you officially alerted everyone at 10pm, that 'Madeleine is gone', they have taken her'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 02:05:PM
(5) - who were you specifically referring to, when you referred to 'the abductors who had taken Madeleine' as, 'THEY'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 02:11:PM
(6) - were you spoken to, at all about Madeleine heard crying on the night before her disappearence, by anyone about you and your husband, leaving your siblings alone in your apartment, without making any checks in-between 8.30pm and midnight, and the fact that a middle aged couple had gone into your apartment to try and comfort your children who were obviously upset and distressed about your absence for such a long time from them?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 02:15:PM
(7) - who was the middle aged couple who entered your apartment on that occasion?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 05:49:PM
Arrival of Police at McCann Apartment (5A)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 08:02:PM
(1) - https://youtu.be/lhACS6ck-Dw

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2018, 09:01:PM
Woman in purple dress observed to have been standing close to the McCann Apartment has now been identified!


Now criminologist Heriberto Janosch Gonzalez claims to have identified the woman as Bulgarian waitress Luisa Todorov.

The 58-year-old was working with her husband at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished in 2007.

Luisa and her husband Stefan, 50, gave statements to police five days after the three-year-old’s disappearance.

They both denied having any knowledge of the case and have not been spoken to again for over a decade.


(1) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/criminologist-identifies-mysterious-woman-purple-11549497
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 04:01:AM
Woman in purple dress observed to have been standing close to the McCann Apartment has now been identified!


Now criminologist Heriberto Janosch Gonzalez claims to have identified the woman as Bulgarian waitress Luisa Todorov.

The 58-year-old was working with her husband at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished in 2007.

Luisa and her husband Stefan, 50, gave statements to police five days after the three-year-old’s disappearance.

They both denied having any knowledge of the case and have not been spoken to again for over a decade.


(1) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/criminologist-identifies-mysterious-woman-purple-11549497
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 04:18:AM
Possible Sighting of Madeleine (16th May 2007)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 08:52:AM
One of the maintenance workers who was working at the Ocean Club, lost a set of keys for the whole of block five just a week or so, before the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann on Thursday, 3rd May 2007, at 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 08:54:AM
One of the maintenance workers who was working at the Ocean Club, lost a set of keys for the whole of block five just a week or so, before the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann on Thursday, 3rd May 2007, at 10pm...

Perhaps..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 08:55:AM
Perhaps..

Linked to this, was the damage reported to the steel shutter of the kids bedroom, that according to Kate McCann herself, in her book 'MADELEINE', had been caused by her husband, Gerry McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 08:57:AM
What I want to know is this...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:00:AM
What I want to know is this...

When, and how did Gerry McCann manage to break the locking mechanism of the children's bedroom window? When, was this reported to Ocean Club Reception? What information was recorded about this by the receptionist, and who if anybody or everybody could have had access to this information?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:02:AM
Seems to me, that the McCann parents had a duty, and an obligation to report such damage to the Ocean Club reception as early as possible, as close to the occurrence as possible!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:03:AM
Seems to me, that the McCann parents had a duty, and an obligation to report such damage to the Ocean Club reception as early as possible, as close to the occurrence as possible!

It also seems to me that the timing of when this damage was reported and logged in the maintenance duty log, was also vitally important!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:04:AM
Since..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:06:AM
Since..

Surely the receptionist (whoever that might be) would need to draw attention of this urgent repair, to the maintenance man, or men who were carrying out maintenance as and when required...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:08:AM
Surely the receptionist (whoever that might be) would need to draw attention of this urgent repair, to the maintenance man, or men who were carrying out maintenance as and when required...

In the meantime, why would any parent, or parents continue to leave their three siblings, home alone in a bedroom with an insecure steel shutter at their bedroom window?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:11:AM
We therefore, have to examine, whether or not, when the McCanns reported the damage caused to the kids bedroom window steel shutter, and ask ourselves, whether the damage had already been repaired by the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance as alerted to by her mom, Kate McCann at let's say 10pm on Thursday, 3rd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:13:AM
We therefore, have to examine, whether or not, when the McCanns reported the damage caused to the kids bedroom window steel shutter, and ask ourselves, whether the damage had already been repaired by the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance as alerted to by her mom, Kate McCann at let's say 10pm on Thursday, 3rd May 2007?

If the damage caused to the steel shutter of the children's bedroom window had not been reported to the Ocean Club Reception, then why not?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:17:AM
This now becomes interesting, since irrespective of whether or not that the McCanns reported the damage which had been caused to the steel shutter of the children's bedroom window by Gerry McCann before Madeleine vanished seemingly off the face of the earth, or not - the fact is that somebody is not telling the truth,  somebody is deliberately keeping quiet about the whole of this business!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:20:AM
Seems to me, that if the locking mechanism of the children's bedroom (steel shutter) had been broken, on any occasion prior to the occasion when Madeleine had gone missing, that in one form or another, this information would have been passed onto the maintenance team!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:23:AM
Seems to me, that if the locking mechanism of the children's bedroom (steel shutter) had been broken, on any occasion prior to the occasion when Madeleine had gone missing, that in one form or another, this information would have been passed onto the maintenance team!

This brings us, full circle, back to members of the maintenance team, responsible for carrying out maintenance work that is / was required to be done, or carried out!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:23:AM
And..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 09:26:AM
And..

With this in mind, this brings us full circle back to the maintenance man who lost a set of keys for the entire block (5) a week or so, before Madeleine's disappearance (on 3rd May 2007) was reported by Kate McCann at around 10pm, that same date! Linked to this, of course, was the fact that Gerry McCann had damaged the steel shutter at the children's bedroom window, but that both parents had left their three children 'Home Alone', in such an insecure environment!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 02:55:PM
With this in mind, this brings us full circle back to the maintenance man who lost a set of keys for the entire block (5) a week or so, before Madeleine's disappearance (on 3rd May 2007) was reported by Kate McCann at around 10pm, that same date! Linked to this, of course, was the fact that Gerry McCann had damaged the steel shutter at the children's bedroom window, but that both parents had left their three children 'Home Alone', in such an insecure environment!!

Exactly, how believeable or likely is this to be true?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 02:58:PM
In addition, there is then other significant incidents, one where a female witness identifies Gerry McCann talking to somebody on his mobile phone, and repeatedly saying, 'please don't hurt Madeleine, please don't hurt Madeleine, please don't hurt Madeleine'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2018, 07:45:PM
Rather more astonishing, is the fact that there was an incident involving a man in a white coloured pick up, which another couple noticed was parked oddly at a road junction, the man got out of the pick up and went round to the passenger door, opened it and lifted a young girl into his arms before scarpering up the street! The couple who observed this then went to look into the pick up truck but just as they were about to do so, another car turned up containing a man and a woman, who both got out of their car asking them where the man had gone? The observers said the man driving the pick up had run off up the street minutes previously carrying a young girl! Upon hearing this, the couple from the car said that they would take the matter over from there, so the observers left and went back to their apartment! Upon arriving there, they switched on the TV (sky news) and saw an update on the Madeleine McCann disappearance and upon seeing the parents immediately realised that the man and the woman who had arrived in the car, looking for the man who had been driving the white pick up, were in fact Kate and Gerry McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2018, 03:05:AM
Links to international peadophile ring:-

(1) - https://youtu.be/s2dRDiIuH-c
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2018, 03:14:AM
Link to Clement Freud:-

(1) - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sir-clement-freud-madeleine-mccann-police-investigate-paedophile-mp-link-a7082806.html

(2) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pictured-villa-child-abuser-sir-8205720
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2018, 03:32:AM
Pedestal brothers were staying in Clement Freud's villa in Praia De Luz at the time Madeleine'' McCann was reported as missing!

There is a canny resemblance between the Pedestal brothers, and two photofit images of men hanging around apartment 5a prior to disappearence of Madeleines McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2018, 07:38:AM
What if, the McCanns knew that Madeleine would be taken, by 'them' on the evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007 because it had all been prior arranged before they even arrived in Portugal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2018, 09:15:AM
What if, the McCanns knew that Madeleine would be taken, by 'them' on the evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007 because it had all been prior arranged before they even arrived in Portugal?

'Them' being, the Pedestal brothers, and linked to Clement Freud, Robert Murat, but to name a couple, all who are part of an international  gang of peadophiles?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2018, 07:05:PM
Alternatively..

We have two maintenance workers attending apartment 5a, on Tuesday 1st May 2007, to do (a) a repair to the washing machine, and (b) to repair the window lock to the steel shutter of the McCann parents window shutter (not the children's bedroom steel shutter)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2018, 07:07:PM
Alternatively..

We have two maintenance workers attending apartment 5a, on Tuesday 1st May 2007, to do (a) a repair to the washing machine, and (b) to repair the window lock to the steel shutter of the McCann parents window shutter (not the children's bedroom steel shutter)...

This must be related to the fact that security keys for the entire block 5, were reportedly known about by these maintenance workers...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 15, 2018, 08:22:PM
Is there any substance in these claims?  https://youtu.be/aoobnovmXIU
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 07:26:AM
Is there any substance in these claims?  https://youtu.be/aoobnovmXIU

Apparently, Steve_uk yes!

There other references on the internet to the Pedestal brothers staying at Freud's villa at the time of Madeleine McCanns villa, and eye witness accounts which place the two suspects hanging around apartment 5A, 'if' shown photographs of the Pedestal brothers in an identification procedure, or on an identification parade the key witnesses would be hard pressed 'not to pick' either or both out!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 07:30:AM
Apparently, Steve_uk yes!

There other references on the internet to the Pedestal brothers staying at Freud's villa at the time of Madeleine McCanns villa, and eye witness accounts which place the two suspects hanging around apartment 5A, 'if' shown photographs of the Pedestal brothers in an identification procedure, or on an identification parade the key witnesses would be hard pressed 'not to pick' either or both out!

I am still interested in the two maintenance workers...

Where one, told the other, that the keys to all the apartments in block 5 had been lost prior to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 09:05:AM
Linked to this, was the damage reported to the steel shutter of the kids bedroom, that according to Kate McCann herself, in her book 'MADELEINE', had been caused by her husband, Gerry McCann...

The damage wasn't to the steel shutter in the children's bedroom, it was to the steel shutter in the parents bedroom on the tapas bar side of the apartment, the window next to the patio doors, which was fixed on Wednesday, 2nd May 2007, when two maintenance men attended apartment 5a, to fix (a) the washer, and (b) the aforementioned steel shutter!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 09:14:AM
I am interested in these two maintenance workers, as well as the fact that a full set of security keys to all the apartments in block 5 had been lost, as I understand it, prior to the work being carried out in apartment 5a on Wednesday, 2nd May 2007 - the keys they had with them when they went to do the two repairs that morning, were a spare set which were normally kept in reception!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 09:17:AM
I am interested in these two maintenance workers, as well as the fact that a full set of security keys to all the apartments in block 5 had been lost, as I understand it, prior to the work being carried out in apartment 5a on Wednesday, 2nd May 2007 - the keys they had with them when they went to do the two repairs that morning, were a spare set which were normally kept in reception!

There does not appear to have been any internal investigation carried out by MW into who had the missing set of keys last? And nothing has been done, as far as is known to replace the spare set of keys to block 5 apartments at reception!

(1) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 09:46:AM
Here is the ex-maintenance Worker, who lost the set of security keys to all the apartments in block 5:-

If he was involved in the loss of the keys, and he's denying it, chances are good that he may have been paid money by the abductors of Madeleine McCann for the keys!


Some of the clients did not have their apartment keys, which suggests that 'he' obtained the set of keys to their apartments at around 9pm on the night Madeleine was taken...

Is he, in fact 'TANNERMAN'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:00:AM
Police need to check which tourists did not have their keys to their apartments at around 8.30pm -  9pm that evening, for example, were any of these tourists staying in apartment block 5?

He normally finished work around that time (8.30pm) and at 9pm he was making a call to his wife, to tell her he was going to be late home!

That's two important times, (8.30pm) being when Kate and Gerry McCann left their apartment 5a, that same evening, and (9pm) was around the time Gerry McCann went to do the first check of the apartment!

He must have had hold of the security keys at this time, to let tourists into their apartments!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:09:AM
Police need to check which tourists did not have their keys to their apartments at around 8.30pm -  9pm that evening, for example, were any of these tourists staying in apartment block 5?

He normally finished work around that time (8.30pm) and at 9pm he was making a call to his wife, to tell her he was going to be late home!

That's two important times, (8.30pm) being when Kate and Gerry McCann left their apartment 5a, that same evening, and (9pm) was around the time Gerry McCann went to do the first check of the apartment!

He must have had hold of the security keys at this time, to let tourists into their apartments!

There must be a record somewhere regarding the driving duties he performed after he normally finished work at 8.30pm? Also, the names of the tourists he transported around, and which apartments these tourists were staying in? In particular, the time he performed such duties and ferried them about, or let them into their apartments?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:13:AM
I am also concerned, about the vacant apartment next door but one (5C) to the McCann Apartment on the same level - he would have had access to that unoccupied apartment where Madeleine's body may have been hidden initially? This being the same apartment where two women had seen two blonde haired men behaving suspiciously on the patio on Tuesday evening, 1st May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:15:AM
I am also concerned, about the vacant apartment next door but one (5C) to the McCann Apartment on the same level - he would have had access to that unoccupied apartment where Madeleine's body may have been hidden initially? This being the same apartment where two women had seen two blonde haired men behaving suspiciously on the patio on Tuesday evening, 1st May 2007..

Apartment 5C, becomes important in this scenario...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:18:AM
What was the transport used when he carried out these driving duties? And what time that night did he finish work?

Where was the MW transport kept?

Was it per chance parked up at around 8.30pm in the car park of block 5, or block 6?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:20:AM
What was the transport used when he carried out these driving duties? And what time that night did he finish work?

Where was the MW transport kept?

Was it per chance parked up at around 8.30pm in the car park of block 5, or block 6?

Which members of staff who were working in reception would have given him keys to the block of apartments he needed?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:21:AM
Did he carry Madeleine off, and drive her away in the MW transport? Was he in fact 'TANNERMAN''?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:34:AM
Is there any connection between him, and the Pedestal brothers, that night, or any other night?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:43:AM
Apartment 5C, becomes important in this scenario...

Was it 'unlocked' by MW staff and checked either on the night of Madeleine's disappearence, or afterwards?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 10:55:AM
I wonder if theirs a link between the two blonde haired men seen on the patio of the vacant apartment (5C) Tuesday, 1st May 2007, and Tiago Da Silva (who told other maintenance workers that he had lost a full set of keys to all the apartments in block 5)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 11:00:AM
Here is a complete list of possible suspects, not including any of the tapas 9 group members:-

(1) - Robert Murat
(2) - the Pedestal brothers
(3 ) - Stephen Carpenter
(4) - Tiago Da Silva
(5) - Tannerman'
(6) - Smithman
(7) - two blonde haired men
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 12:10:PM
I wonder what time Tiago Da Silva strolled in at home, on the night of 3rd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 09:54:PM
I wonder what time Tiago Da Silva strolled in at home, on the night of 3rd May 2007?

I don't believe what Tiago Da Silva said in his witness statement...

He knows what happened to the lost security keys to block 5..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2018, 09:58:PM
I don't believe what Tiago Da Silva said in his witness statement...

He knows what happened to the lost security keys to block 5..

If, he were to admit what he (Tiago Da Silva)did with that bunch of security keys for all the apartments in block 5 (including apartment 5a, where the McCann parents and their siblings were staying), his name would be Mud, and he would be implicated in her disappearance!!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 04:49:AM
Maddie known to be missing prior to the 9.30pm check of apartment 5A made by Mathew Oldfield...


The alarm was raised at around 9.20pm, after Gerry McCann had completed his 9.05am check, if so who made the discovery that Madeleine was gone (It can't have been Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien who did not supposedly check apartment 5A until after 9.30pm, and it can't have been Kate McCann who did not leave the tapas restaurant bar until 10pm...

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Concerning the issue of the process said;

. Is a functionary of the Ocean Club establishment since the 13th of January of the current year (2007), and is employed as executive chef of the kitchen. He clarifies that along with being responsible for the five (5) kitchens (one of whom is the Tapas) of the Ocean Club, his post essentially centres on the principal kitchen next to a reception, close to the restaurant MIRAGE. His work takes him occasionally to the other kitchens;

. He records that the past Thursday, 3rd of May, he left the central kitchen with the objective of going to the Tapas restaurant in order to determine that everything was functioning smoothly;

. When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one.

. After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else.

. A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. Given the importance of this, believed that he should be in the surroundings. At that moment, he did not leave the area of the restaurant, and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location;

. Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

. When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location (previously noted) and does not know of the existence or any connection between the presence of that vehicle and the disappearance of the child;

. Ending, states that during the days that preceded the facts, he did not notice anyelement/individual/fact that would have merited his attention; 

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 04:59:AM
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Witness Statement

David Jose Araujo Veloso dos Santos

Date: 2007/05/08

Occupation: Restaurant employee

Place of Work: Millenium Restaurant


He has worked as a waiter in the Millenium Restaurant since 12th March of this year.

The establishment is used by guests staying at the OC resort particularly at breakfast and dinner times.

When questioned he says he remembers the family of Madeleine McCann, who used the restaurant where he works once on Saturday 28th April, but he adds that he did not have any conversation with them.

When questioned about the relationship between the parents and the children, he says that he did not really notice, but that he was given to believe that there was nothing strange about it.

He says that at no moment did he notice anyone with strange behaviour as regards the children or anything that appeared suspicious to him.

Concerning the events being investigated, when he was working his normal shift from 16.00 to 24.00 an individual, tall and of British nationality, appeared in the restaurant at about 22.30/22.45, who asked him whether he had seen a little girl who had disappeared, describing her as blonde and three years old and that she was probably wearing pyjamas.

The witness and his colleague, Maria de Fatima, replied that they hadn't, upon which the individual ran out.

When questioned, the witness said that he did not participate in the searches that took place that night, but went home at about 24.00 when he finished work.

He knew about the investigation from the media. He has nothing else to say.

Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:03:AM
Receptionist
663 to 664 Witness statement of Eliseu Jose Craveios Viana 2007.05.07
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Witness Statement (Hand written)

Eliseu Jorge Craveiro Viana

Occupation: Receptionist

Place of Work: Main Reception

He has worked at the Ocean Club for seven years, working as receptionist and sometimes as a driver. He did not work on 3rd May 2007, only arriving for duty at 00.00 on 4th May at the main reception. When he was arriving for duty, along the Prof Gentils as usual, he noticed movements and people circulating. There were also people in the street, however he did not see anything abnormal or which attracted his attention. When he passed the main road next to the swimming pool and Tapas restaurant it was about 23.55. It was when he arrived at the main reception that he was told by a colleague that girl had disappeared, that she was English and called Madeleine. There was great confusion as nobody knew how this could have happened. As regards elements concerning this he heard about them from the Portuguese and English press and from comments from guests.

He works basically in the reception with sporadic contacts with the bars and restaurants in the complex. He has contacts he has coffee with and he sometimes visits colleagues he is friendly with. As concerns the disappearance he does not know of any useful elements. He did not hear any conversation resulting from own knowledge of the event, having just heard news from the press. He works in a place where many people enter and where there are many phone calls. He does not remember having heard or seen anything strange or having seen suspicious people near the reception. He does not remember having been asked about the functioning of the OC baby sitting services, children or activities by anyone who would not have a reason to enquire. He remembers that most children have children and therefore are interested in knowing about how these services work. He has no knowledge of any child having disappeared before from the ocean Club or of the occurrence of sexual crimes.

He also says that there were many clients who were worried about this event and that some had cancelled their holiday bookings.
Signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:08:AM
3 to 6-Witness statement of Emma Louise Knight (Hotel Manager) 2008.04.30
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Testimony of: Emma Louise Knight 30-April 2008
3 to 6-Witness statement of Emma Louise Knight 2008.04.30

Translation:

Leicestershire Police Force

Statement from: Emma Louise KNIGHT

Occupation: Hotel Manager
Date: 30th April 2008

I am currently an employee of the Mark Warner Holiday Company, 20 Kensington Church Street, London. I have worked for this company since November 2005 and have held various positions in complexes and hotels abroad.

In March 2007 I travelled to the Mark Warner complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal. My position was Client Support Manager and my function was to receive and welcome the new guests and be available to resolve any problem that might arise during their stay.

The Praia da Luz complex covers a large area and for this reason there were several locations where I worked during the day, such as the reception, the Tapas bar area and the Millenium Restaurant.

My first contact with the couple named Gerry and Kate McCann took place in the 24 hour reception when they arrived at the resort accompanied by their 3 children. They were on holiday with a number of other families, some of them arrived by different means.

During the first part of their holiday there were no problems that were brought to my knowledge relating to their stay. I knew about their three children but I never had contact with them.

On the night of 3rd May, after having finished work, I planned to meet a group of colleagues at 22.30 to go out. At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.

This procedure involved the distribution of leaflets that had already been prepared, with the names of the locations, for the members of staff, indicating the zones that they should search. Once the location indicated had been searched, the leaflet was returned and another one with a different location was handed over. This procedure was followed by the members of staff, but on that night about 6 residents from the complex were also involved in the search.


I was told who the missing girl was and at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When I arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom I now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided me with the details that I needed.
I returned to the location where the leaflets were being distributed and passed on the information that I had gathered about the missing girl. Lyndsey was busy with the distribution of the leaflets and I went to search in the beach area. On my return I passed by the Duke Pub where I met other members of staff who also joined in the searches.

The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police. John stayed at the location and I several times went to search the grounds. I went with Amy and we searched the highest part of the complex behind the apartments. The search lasted for about 10 minutes and then we returned. At that moment John asked me to go to the apartment the girl had disappeared from and, on behalf of Mark Warner, provide all the help the family might need.

I went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced myself to Kate and Mrs Payne. I entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where I could hear them both crying.

The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom and the door was half open.

A short while later, Gerry returned to the apartment accompanied by Russell. They also entered by the patio doors.

I don not remember the exact sequence of events at this time, but I do remember that I phoned John, who informed me that the police were on their way.

I remember that the police arrived between 00.00 and 00.30, entered by the main door and went to the kitchen with Gerry.

I went to the bedroom where Kate and Mrs Payne were. Kate was still upset, crying and calling Madeleine's name, shouting 'where is she''
She also banged on the headboard. At that moment I went to check on the twins in their room and they were ok.

I remember being in the main bedroom with Kate, Mrs Payne, Gerry, Russell and David who were sitting on the bed and I sat on the floor. At that moment David suggested that the press should be contacted. Russell disagreed, saying they should keep calm and let the police take care of the situation.

At that moment Kate appeared to lose control, crying and constantly asking 'where is she'' whilst banging on the bed.

Gerry remained calm throughout. On one occasion Kate and Gerry both went to the main bedroom and I could hear both of them crying.

Quite a bit later that night I remember the police asking everyone to leave the apartment. I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. I went to reception and helped Lyndsey to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and I remember seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins. I left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from John Hill. I was the last to leave, the police had already left, but I left my number saying that I was available for anything that might be needed.

After a short rest I returned to work at 08.00. I did not see Kate or Gerry during the whole morning, but went to the new apartment at about lunchtime. Kate and Gerry were not there but there were other members of the group taking care of the twins.

I remember there were helicopters flying overhead and showing them to the twins.

I remember that both Kate and Gerry were calmer that day and Kate had stopped crying. They were accompanied by family members who had travelled to Portugal and by the local priest. I remember that on the night Madeleine disappeared, Kate wanted to contact the local priest, but it was not possible to reach him by phone.

I remember being present in the apartment with Kate, Gerry and other members of the family when they gave their first press conference. Gerry sat at the table and wrote what he wanted to say to the press and Kate, although she did not want to speak to the press, accompanied Gerry and stood by his side while he read the statement. I and the others stayed at the apartment door to observe.

During the weeks that followed, when Kate and Gerry were still staying in the complex I accompanied them and helped in the preparation of the posters for Gerry and planned the way to take the twins to the creche without being bothered by the press. Gerry was always calm and polite, whilst Kate could not hide her emotion. At times she appeared reasonably all right at other times she would walk about crying.

In relation to the specific questions, these are my replies:

1. My first meeting with the McCanns occurred when they arrived at the complex and my relationship with them was purely professional as Manager of Client Support services and a s Mark Warner representative.
2) I first spoke to Gerry and Kate McCann at about 23.00 on the night of 3rd May in their apartment after the disappearance of Madeleine.

3) Gerry and Kate said that their daughter had disappeared and that she had been abducted.

4) I would describe Kate's reaction as hysterical and desperate. Gerry was visibly upset and cried out of our earshot, but he maintained a firm position and helped in all he could.
5) As mentioned previously, their emotional state was one of consternation and despair.

This statement was made by me and is truthful as far as my understanding.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:10:AM
Waiter at Zaival Beach restaurant
820 Letter from Ministry of National Defence regarding other diligences  inc Ernesto Joaquim Muchacho- Zavial Beach restaurant
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Ministry of National Defence
National Marine Authority
Lagos Maritime Police

Lagos Maritime Police Commander


Dear Sir

I inform you that on this date, around 16H30, whilst in the activity of searching, accompanied by sub-chief Dioniz, in the jurisdictional area of this command, namely on the beaches Zavial and Ingnna, we made various inquiries with the intent of finding missing Madeleine Beth McCann. We questioned various users of the referred to beaches: T**** F***, C***** M****, H***** W***, B***** W***, F**** M***, R****** T*****, S**** W****, W*** G**** and C****** W****. These individuals were aware of the disappearance [of the girl] but as of this date, had no indications as to the discovery of her whereabouts.

I inform you that, upon going to the Zavial Beach concession of Ernesto Joaquim Muchacho , telephone contact numbers, ******** and ******; the same stated that he recognised the parents of Madeleine McCann as clients of his restaurant and that he remembers seeing them for the last time in his establishment in the month of April (Easter holidays), accompanied by their three children. Since this date, as he exercises his function in the kitchen, he does not remember having seen them on that beach or in his restaurant.

It is relevant to note that the Zaival Beach is normally frequented by nudists, and consequently attracts some peepers/lookers on.

These are facts I wanted to bring to your attention.

Lagos, 09th of May of 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:14:AM
OCEAN CLUB POOL BAR WORKER 07 MAY 07
430 to 432 Witness statement of Hayley May Crawford 2007.05.07
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Witness Statement 
 
Hayley May Crawford
 
Date/Time: 2007/05/07 20H00
Bar Worker (Ocean Club)
Nationality: British
Address: Germany 
 
She comes to the process as a witness, given that she works at the adult pool bar in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Lagos.

She states that she does not speak Portuguese and is accompanied by translator Robert Murat.
She states that she began working for the Ocean Club as a tourist guide in 2004 and after that as a bar worker in the adult pool bar this being the fourth year of her continuous employment at the resort.
She says that before arriving in Portugal she did not know anyone in Portugal, but in the meanwhile has got to know Portuguese people who work in the Ocean Club, but that she has never been questioned as regards the functioning of the Ocean Club or about her functions.

She states that since her arrival or even in England, she has never been questioned regarding the functioning of the Ocean Club and in particular regarding the location of the resort services.
In the summer, her working hours are from 10H00 to 18H00.

The bar is open exclusively to resort clients, and that control is made by means of a client card at the entrance to the bar.

When asked, she says that she does not remember anyone having entered without being authorised.
When asked, she states that she does now know the parents nor Madeleine as they did not frequent the adult pool bar.
 
When asked, the witness clarifies that on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance (03 May 2007) she was with her boyfriend at her home, situated in Lagos, saying that he, Nuno Conceicao, is also an Ocean Club employee, carrying out various maintenance functions in the resort But she says that, for this reason, her boyfriend is in permanent service, in other words that even when he has a day off he can be contacted in case it is necessary to carry out any type of maintenance service in any apartment or other installations of the tourist resort in question. In this way she explains that on the day in question (03.05.07) at around 20h30, her boyfriend was called as there was a problem with a lock in an apartment situated in the northern part of the resort, close to the Millennium restaurant and she had accompanied her boyfriend in her car from her home in Lagos to the apartment in question.
After her boyfriend had completed the service, at about 21H00, they went to the resort reception with the aim of her boyfriend collecting a service vehicle.

For this purpose, the witness and her boyfriend travelled in her car, a Peugeot model 106, metallic grey in colour, along various roads of the resort, having taken the road adjacent to the pool and Tapas restaurant area, passing by the apartment where Madeleine and her family were staying, according to what she was subsequently informed about the location.
 
When questioned, the witness states that when she travelled along the roads in question, which make up the resort, and principally those which she later learnt were adjacent to the apartment where Madeleine was staying and disappeared from, close to the Tapas restaurant, which she did at about 21H00, (03 May, 2007) the witness states that she saw no vehicle, person or other situation that she considered suspicious that could be directly or indirectly related to the facts being investigated.
 
When asked, the witness states that after her boyfriend had collected a service vehicle, from the Ocean Club reception, which took place at about 21H00, they both went to her home, but in separate vehicles, arriving at about 21H15.
The witness states that she was off work on last Wednesday and Thursday, as was her boyfriend.
At about 22H30, her boyfriend received another telephone call from a colleague, asking for a flashlight, as a female child had disappeared, to which he responded that he did not have one, both remaining at the witness’s home until the next day.

She only became aware of the events on Friday morning when she returned to work.
When asked, she states that has no knowledge of any individual or vehicle in the immediate areas of the resort whom she considered suspicious or who drew her attention.

As regards the disappearance, she states that she felt shocked, as it was the first time that anything like this had occurred at the Ocean Club.

No more is said, having read the statement, she finds it in conformity and signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:16:AM
RECEPTIONIST 09 MAY 07
796 to 797 Witness statement of Helder Jorge Sampaio Luis 2007.05.09
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Date: 2007/05/09
Witness Statement
Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn't work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.

He remained at the OC reception until 24.00 when he was replaced by a colleague Mr Eliseu.

He then left the OC and went home.

He did not see or hear anything suspicious on 3rd May nor on the previous days.

Reads, signs, ratifies.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:18:AM
3903 to 3906 Crimestoppers report from Graham McKenzie and emails
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Crimestoppers Bureau

Force : Leicestershire

Date: 16/09/2007

Text:
Kidnapping McCann ** Caller Removes Anonymity**


Caller involved in search on night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

Caller name: Graham McKenzie

Mr McKenzie states that:

On e hour into the search by holiday makers of the hotel and surrounding areas, about 23.00 hrs, Mr McKenzie approached the McCann's apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment.

He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann's apartment.

He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone.

Mr McCann was looking our over the swimming pool and did not see Mr McKenzie.

Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared 'she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles'.

He does not know who the person receiving the calls was but presumes it to be a family member.

Mr McKenzie recognises Mr McCann from being in the same holiday complex at the same time.

Mr McKenzie cannot remember what Mr McCann was wearing at the time. Mr McKenzie is willing to give a witness statement and be contacted by police on his home telephone number above.

He is giving this information now after reading about the McCann's telephone records being checked, in the Sunday Express dated 16/09/2007.
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HOLIDAY MAKER  06 DEC  07

Surname : Mackenzie

Forenames: Graham

Occupation : Company partner

Statement date: 06-12-2007

Earlier this year we went on a family holiday in Portugal. At the time we only had our eldest son ***** and (my wife) was expecting ****. We had booked with the travel company Mark Warner to stay at their resort in Praia da Luz. We flew out of Gatwick on the 28th April to Faro.

We were staying at a self-catering apartment at The Ocean Club Resort. During our stay we used the child care facilities during the day and when we picked ****up we would chat with the other parents but other than that we pretty kept ourselves to ourselves and just enjoyed our time relaxing together.

There was a couple we got to know in a nearby apartment, their names were **** and Raj Balu. We also chatted to another couple, his name was Neil but I don't recall hers, they had booked for two weeks but left the resort early.

The apartment on one side of us was vacant, throughout our stay, an Indian family moved into the one the other side part way through our stay. I do not know their names but they had a daughter who was about three years old.

During our stay we had seen the McCann party when the children had tea together and also when eating at the Tapas bar in the evenings. We had not really had anything to do with them other than the odd word when the children were all playing together after tea.

On the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance we could not get a table at the Tapas bar and decided to get a takeaway from there and have it at the apartment. (My wife) went to collect it at about 8.30 while I stayed with ****.

It was later that evening around 10 ' 11 that I heard a commotion on the complex, I decided to go out and see what was going on. I walked round a saw a group of people gathered. John Hill the resort manager was there with some of the Mark Warner staff. I heard that a little girl called Maddie was missing, at that point I did not realise which child it was. John Hill was organising a search of the complex as it was thought that she had wandered off at that point in time. I let (my wife) know what was going on and went to join the search. I went to search the area around the back of our apartment where there is a little garden with a big palm tree in the middle. I was looking in the shrubbery and the little gardens to the apartments.

I worked my way around the area, eventually coming around the back of the tennis courts and up towards what I now know to be the McCanns apartment a couple of hours later. I was looking in the little gardens on the poolside of that block, I was in the end garden when I heard a male voice, he sounded distraught his voice cracking with emotion. I looked to see who I now know to be Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. I cannot recall his exact words but I got the impression that he was speaking to perhaps a family member or someone he was very close to due to the nature of his conversation.

He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off.

I had looked up by now and we actually made eye contact, his conversation did not change at all when he realised that I was there. I felt as if I were intruding on a private moment and so I left the garden at that point. I had overheard only a snippet of it. It was only then that I realised whose child it was that was missing. I went back to the apartment to tell my wife what had happened, had a drink and went out again. There were lots of people just standing round looking, the police eventually turned up later in the evening. There didn't seem to be any real organisation of the searching and I eventually went back to our apartment for the night.

We went to the Millennium restaurant for breakfast the following morning, they were handing out flyers with her photograph on. Everyone was very, very upset.

The following day we saw Kate McCann when she came to collect the twins from the creche at lunchtime, she was distraught and broke down sobbing.

We didn't have any other involvement with their group for the remainder of our holiday and flew home on the Saturday. On the day of our departure we had to move out of our apartment and Mark Warner gave us another to use during the day until we left.

It was across the road from the McCann's apartment and the public balcony overlooked the side of their building and the road. You could actually see the front and back of the building from that view point. I noticed on the balcony that there was a pile of cigarette butts as if there had been someone stood there for some time smoking. I thought that was odd , and it could have been someone watching the McCann's apartment to monitor their comings and goings.

It was when I heard that the police were trying to pinpoint telephone conversations made in the resort that I decided to get in touch about what
I had heard. Signed
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:24:AM
WAITER MILLENIUM 08 MAY 07
667 to 669 Witness statement of Gustavo Cesar Cabral Campos 2007.05.08
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Witness Statement

Gustavo Cesar Cabral Campos

Date: 2007-05-08

Occupation: Waiter

Place of Work: Millenium Restaurant, OC


He has worked at the Millenium Restaurant since 9th March 2007, near to the apartment where the events occurred.

He says that as he is a waiter he has direct contact with the clients at the restaurant. He works from 16.00 to 24.00 without interruption every day except for Fridays and Saturdays which are his days off.


The place where he works receives guests staying at the resort, mainly of British nationality.

However, he thinks it is possible that people who are not staying at the resort can frequent the restaurant.

When asked if these people can use the areas adjacent to the restaurant (gardens, pools, tennis courts) he does not know whether this is possible.

It is certain that from 18.30/19.00 onwards these leisure area are closed to the public (guests and others).

For security reasons, and given that the restaurant has a receptionist, the entrances of guests are registered and in order to access the spaces adjacent to the restaurant individuals have to show a member card with their name and the apartment where they are staying as well as the dates of arrival and departure from the resort.

Concerning the facts being investigated he says that he has nothing of interest to add.

When questioned, he says that when the events occurred he was working in the restaurant and heard about the disappearance at about 22.30 - 23.00 from a Mark Warner employee (he doesn't know his name, but he is of English nationality) who, at that moment asked to use a telephone in the bar to make a call as he had received information about the disappearance of the girl on his mobile.

He does not know the concrete terms of the conversation but he is clear that something had happened.

The employee then left the bar/restaurant.

When his shift ended he joined in the searched with his colleague Nelson. He searched until 03.00 AM.

He says that he has nothing to add, he saw nothing strange during the day or on the previous days.

With regard to the McCann family he has nothing to add as he did not have close contact with them.

He say that without being absolutely sure he thinks he saw the couple with their three children inside the restaurant on Monday or Tuesday night, he supposes they were there to eat.

When questioned he says that he is not sure whether they were accompanied by other individuals.

He says that as was the case on other nights, that night was calm and he did not notice anything strange or anyone approaching the couple or their children or taking photographs.
Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:32:AM
121 to 125 External diligences carried with OC staff followed by copies of passports
126 Luz Ocean Club Registration/Check in form
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REPORT OF EXTERNAL WORK [Investigation Activity]
Date: 2007/05/04 Location: Praia da Luz
Entity that determined the activity: superiorly determined
Funcionario [employee] that executed it: Miguel P*** and Duarte F****, Inspector

Description and outcome of the investigation:
-------- On this date, we went to the Tapas restaurant, owned by the Ocean Club, located in Praia da Luz (Lagos), where we spoke with various employees of the restaurant, who were on duty there last night. ----------
-------- The subject of conversation was the disappearance of little Madeline MCCAN, especially the behavior of the elements of the group that dined at that restaurant yesterday, which was partly made up of the parents of the missing child, as well as if [whether or not] they had seen an individual suspect, with a blonde "rastas" [hairstyle] in camouflage pants. ----------

-------- JERONIMO TOMAS RODRIGUES SALCEDAS (Phone No "91 768 ####) - bartender:
- He saw the missing Madeleine, for the last time, yesterday at 16.45h next to the restaurant;
- He did not notice if from the group of British citizens (in number 8 or 9) that yesterday dined in restaurant (which was partly made up of the parents of the missing [child]), someone left [absented themself] during such dinner;
- He saw a walkie talkie on top of the table of the group, [like] those that are used to monitor noises of children, from a distance;
- He did not see a person of blonde "rastas", while he was working last night. ----------
SVETLANA
-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".

-------- MIGUEL SALCEDAS COELHO (BI No 1426####, telephone 91920####) - cook
- He did not know the missing or her parents, he knew only that they were part of a group of British citizens who usually dined there;
- As he works in the kitchen, rarely did he go to the tables, so he saw nothing;
- He did not see any person with blonde "rastas", while he was working (14.30 and 23.00) ----------

--------- JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA (residing at Rua Ilha Terceira, no. 15, Lagos, Telephone No 91 277 ####) - table employee [waiter].
- Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined at the restaurant last night, as usual, of which the parents of missing were part (he didn't know them) he noticed that two individuals left the table, of the male gender.
- The first to leave was about 40/45 years old (tall, skinny, white complexion, with large [a full head of] hair of color gray) and the period of his absence was about 15 minutes, being that they had to [re-]heat his food, which had cooled;
- The second to leave (about 40/45 years of age, having the physical characteristics of the first, but having less bulky hair) did so for about 30 minutes, and that shortly after he returned, all left the table, except for an elderly person, who told him that a child had disappeared, the daughter of a member of the group, due to which he thought that the second person to leave could have been the father of the child;
- Of the times in which this group had dined in that bar it is [was] often [for] someone from the group to go to check at the apartments the state of the children (their offspring) who were sleeping there.
- He did not see any person with blonde "rastas", while he was working (16h00 and 00.00). ----------

-------- JOELSON FABIO SOARES SANTOS L?IO (telephone No 96948#### - was contacted in another restaurant of the [Mark Warner] group, situated in the same locality) - pantry boy
- As he works in the pantry, he never goes to the area where are the tables, so he saw nothing;
- He didn't know the missing or her parents;
- He did not see any individual with blonde "Rastas", in the period in which he remained in service (15:30 and 23:30. ----------

--------- RICARDO ALEXANDRE DA LUZ OLIVEIRA (as he was on his day off, he was contacted by telephone No 91 397####) - table employee.
- Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined at that restaurant yesterday, like they usually did, which was partly made up of the parents of the missing (he did not know them) he noticed that absent from the table, for about 15 minutes, [was] a man (tall, little more than thirty years of age, normal physical stature, white complexion and hair color light brown);
- It was usual [for] someone of that group, to leave to go to the apartments to check the children (children of the group members) who slept there;
- At the table, he always noticed [saw] the existence [presence] of an intercom;
- He did not see any person with blonde "rastas", while he was working (16h000 and 00h30).----------

------- As for the kitchen employee, MARIA MANUELA ANTONIO JOSE, given that she was not in service yesterday [neither] during the dinner [nor] when the disappearance of the child occurred, she was not interviewed. ---------
MICHAEL SPERREY
CLARE SPERREY
 
------ In the main reception (open 24h) of the Ocean Club, the signatory [undersigned] was able to observe a person with long hair, curly, blonde in colour, with camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt, which fit the description of the suspect of the "Rastas", it being that I questioned the receptionist about him, who said that this individual and his wife are guests in the hotel and he has been tireless, since yesterday, in search of the missing girl. Attached are photocopies of their passports as well as the hotel registration form. ----------

[The very last paragraph of my translation of pages 121-125 in /PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm states that they are passport copies of the person identified as the man with 'Rasta' hairstyle, camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt (taken to be the person seen by Jez Wilkins per his witness statement), and his wife. They were resort guests. I have no reference to a formal witness statement from them on file, merely the above identification to eliminate them from the inquiry.]

Signature of official: Duarte F**** - Inspector
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:35:AM
TAPAS BARMAN
233 to 238 Witness statement of Jeronimo Tomas Rodrigues Salcedas 2007.05.06
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Witness Statement

Jeronimo Tomas Rodrigues Salcedas

Date: 2007/05/06

Occupation: Barman / Waiter

Place of Work: Ocean Club

He is the son of Portuguese immigrants who have been living in England for the past 15 years, they live in the city of Swindon, near Bristol. His father works for the English Consulate and his mother is a teaching assistant.

As regards the witness' professional qualifications, he completed a professional course in hotel and tourism and can also carry out ludical activities with children as an 'animator' and has worked in these kind of activities for four years with groups of children aged three (during the first year) and aged three to five (during the following years). After this kind of work he dedicated himself to the automobile sector and worked for Honda for a very short time, about three weeks, as he could not adapt to this kind of work. After a stay in England during which time he did not find work, about three weeks, he decided to come to Portugal to work in tourism, having contacted a cousin of his who works in the Algarve, Miguel Coelho who is Head Chef at the OC, who helped him be taken on immediately as barman.

He began work at the club on 2nd April.

When asked for the reason that he changed professions (children - automobiles) he said that he did this because he had simply reached saturation point. He says that ever since he has been working this has always been the case. He never stays in the same kind of work for a long time. However, when asked he says that it was always positive, that he likes to work with children. He never had any problem in this activity or in carrying out his profession. He remembers that the name of the establishment where he worked was called 'Sixpenny' in Swindon.

When asked, he says that he currently lives with his cousin, Miguel Coelho aged twenty two, in an apartment in Luz, near to the beach.

The witness earns 550 Euros a month plus tips. He pays 350 Euros as monthly rent as well as domestic costs which he shares in equal part with his cousin.

Currently, and for the last three or four weeks he has worked the night shift, from 16.00 to 24.00. He sometimes exchanges shifts with a colleague and in these cases works from 09.30 to 17.30.

When asked if he is aware of Madeleine's disappearance, he replies yes and says that it is a very delicate situation and that nothing else has been spoken about since she disappeared. In spite of having already observed many photos of Madeleine he claims that he could not state with any certainty that he had seen her at any moment, the same goes for whom he now knows to be her twin siblings. The specifics of his work do not leave him with much time to focus his attention on the children that were around, although as he has stated previously he worked with children of Madeleine's approximate age for almost four years.

When asked, he says that many children would be present around the Tapas restaurant during the day, as just outside the restaurant there is a small playground, near to the pool. The presence of children would reduce significantly at night time, also because there were fewer people dining in the restaurant, about 20 - 30 meals were served.

With regard to the group Madeleine's family belonged to, he remembers there were nine adults, he does not know how many children were associated with them as they brought them to dinner. He think the group arrived at the club on 28th April (Saturday), a day when the Tapas restaurant does not serve dinner because it closes at 19.00.

In this order of ideas he thinks that the group in question dined at the Tapas restaurant for the first time on Sunday (29th May). He does not know if they had lunch as he was not on duty at that time.

Of the whole group Madeleine's father was without doubt the most noticeable person as he was the most talkative, very pleasant and with a nice manner. In this respect the whole group showed a pleasant friendliness.

They would arrive for dinner according to daily bookings which they did themselves at the reception, he remembers the bookings were always made for 20.30 or 21.00. This booking could be made on the same day until 16.00, it was necessary to show proof of accommodation as well as the number of persons included in the booking. He says that the group arrived in phases but no long delays occurred.

When asked, he said that they would normally stay at the restaurant until 23.30 - 24.00, although some of them would leave earlier, at about 23.00. They were people who showed their satisfaction with the food and would consume on average 8 bottles of wine (4 red, 4 white) between the nine of them, which he considered to be normal consumption for a group of such a number.

They did not drink coffee and as regards after dinner drinks (digestivos) they only consumed these once on 2nd May.

He noticed, because it was obvious, that some of the members of the group would regularly leave the restaurant to do something, which he gradually came to realise was 'controlling' the children. Even so, he was always convinced that the children were in some place belonging to the Ocean Club, under the care of a Mark Warner company associated to the club.

This company provides child care services until 18.00, however if there was a request these hours could be extended to the evening period, from 20.00 to 23.00, paid as an additional service.

Referring to the day of 3rd May when Madeleine disappeared, the witness says that he was working.

At that time, at about 22.20 - 22.30 he noticed that there was only one person sitting at the group's table, the oldest of them and he asked her jokingly whether they had left her alone.

The person in question said that the others had gone to the apartment to look for a girl who had disappeared. Seconds later Madeleine's father appeared, greatly agitated, looking for his daughter everywhere, obviously and immediately heading towards the pool and surrounding areas.

Shortly afterwards Luz Ocean Club was in a state of absolute commotion. Everyone was trying to help in the search for Madeleine which was multiplied in numerous search actions over a large perimeter. The witness immediately perceived the seriousness of the situation. Madeleine's mother was shouting desperately for her daughter. The witness told another chef at the Millenium restaurant so that he would also help in the searches.

He was part of a team together with one of the other MW employees, Leanne, of English nationality, with whom he searched for the girl until 05.00. He remembers that during the early morning hours there were about 50 - 60 people searching who covered all the access routes to the club, the village of Luz, beach, amongst others. The search was fruitless. Madeleine was not and still has not been found.

Considering his previous profession and using the sensitivity that he had from working with children, the witness said that there was no situation with him or with third parties that he had noticed that caused him to have any doubts that such a situation could occur. Even forcing his memory he has no idea of anything that could help locate the girl.

When asked he says that he was working at the OC and has no idea whether situations of theft from the apartments were checked.

No more is said.

Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:37:AM
TAPAS BAR FUNCT1ONARY 23 APRIL 08
22 to 24 Witness statement of Jeronimo Tomas Rodigues Salcedo (former Ocean Club worker) 2008.04.23
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LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD

WITNESS TESTIMONY OF JERONIMO RODRIGUES SALCEDAS

Occupation: Fitness Instructor

This statement, consisting of two pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

Date: Wednesday, 23 April 2008
Signature:

I am the above referenced person who lives at the address previously given to this police. I am a Portuguese national and I am fluent in Portuguese and Spanish. I have lived in the U.K. with my parents since 10 year of age. Since leaving school, I have been employed in various roles but have never identified myself with any of them.

I still have various family in Portugal and in the beginning of 2007, I was in the U.K. and unemployed. I was contacted via email by my cousin Miguel COLLEO (I am not certain how his name is pronounced) and he informed me that he was working in the Algarve in Portugal as a barman/waiter in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal. I always liked the idea of working abroad and asked him if he could find me work. He responded and told me that he had found a position for me in this same area in which he worked.

I travelled from Bristol to Faro, Portugal, on the 26th of March of 2007. From Faro I travelled directly to Praia da Luz and lodged in an apartment rented with Miguel. Initially, his girlfriend also lived with us but before the end of April 2007, she returned to South Africa. The apartment was located close to the beach but I do not remember the address.

I began working as a functionary at the Ocean Club on the 4th of April 2007 and my charge was to serve the bar and the Tapas Bar tables. My hours were 16h00 to 24H00, five days per week and the two days off were rotated weekly. The other employees of the Tapas Bar on my schedule were Ricardo, Ze and Tiago?all of them Portuguese and with little knowledge of the English language. As a result of this, I was frequently called to attend British clients.

I remember being at work in the Tapas the night of the disappearance. I also remember the group of adults that holidayed with Madeleine, including the parents as they were frequent Tapas Bar dinner guests.

I would normally see them during the day if I went to the complex for a swim, or when they were going to get their children for lunch in the zone next to the Tapas. Nothing in their behaviour called my attention. They dined in the restaurant every night from Sunday until Thursday when Madeleine disappeared. The table was booked then for 19H30 to 20H00. It was nine adults in total, four couples and an older woman who was also with them. I always found them educated, good clients. They appeared to get along well amongst each other and each time I served the table they would comment on the food. It was a happy group who would often laugh during dinner. There was a man who particularly stood out from the rest of the group as she spoke a lot and told many jokes. At this time, I did not know who he was, but later found out it was Madeleine McCanns father. Frequently, when I served the table I noticed that one or two elements of the group had left the restaurant. I could not imagine where they had gone to. After seeing the news stories, I figured that they had gone to check on their children. On some occasions, I also saw some infant monitors on the same table but never related this to the facts.

In relation to alcohol consumption, it never appeared to me to be excessive. The wine was included in the dinner at Tapas and the functionaries were very generous in this respect. The permission was approximately one bottler per person . According to what I remember, and relative to the consumption of alcohol, there were seven bottles between the nine adults. I believe that on the first or second night they dined in the Tapas, they drank a bit more, perhaps eight or nine bottles of wine. I believe that they were also offered liquor this night, as they had been such good clients. The behaviour of the table did not change the night in questions. If anything, the group jested more than usual but no one appeared drunk.

Generally, they left the Tapas at 23h30/midnight, at times together and at other times in small groups. On the night in which they drank more than usual, they left a bit later, perhaps towards 00h30-01h00. I remember this detail because I was supposed to finish work at 00H00 and I wanted to go home. They always left on good terms and always wished the staff good night.

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

I went to find Ze and Ricardo to give them the news and to get their help in searching for the missing girl. I saw the head of the Milenium Restaurant in the Tapas and asked him to telephone the restaurant.

I ran out of the Tapas and noticed that some of the childcare works of the Mark Warner had begun to arrive. At the point I left the Tapas I heard a scream from a woman I did not know. I do not know who screamed, but I had never heard a similar cry. I cannot even describe it but thought it had come from the child's mother. I went to the reception with one of the child care workers whose name I do not remember. One of the employees looked to be organizing the searches and told us the name of the child. We were sent to the beach zone and looked in all the alleys and called out the name of the child but did not find her. Later, we returned to the Tapas where we found John, the Manager of Mark Warner. There were many people now, perhaps 40 including the Mark Warner personnel. We were divided into groups and Ewan and Rob (both employed by Mark Warner), my cousin, Miguel, and I went in a Mark Warner vehicle to search a beach zone which included a construction site. Again, we did not see any signs of the child and after a telephone we returned to the Tapas.

At this point more people were at the location, including residents of Praia da Luz. A man named Matt who owned a club in the locale, seemed to now be the operational front. A big part of our group was sent to the beach; we formed a sort of human extension cord in our searches. We finally returned to the Tapas around 04H00. We were sent home at the time.

I do not know when the police were called but the first time I saw them was around 23h00-23h00 that night.

Since Madeleines disappearance, I have seen her picture many times in the media, but I cannot honestly affirm that I remember seeing her in person before the disappearance from the Ocean Club. There were many children and I never paid much attention to any of them.

I stayed in Praia da Luz working in the Tapas until the end of July 2007, at which time I returned to the U.K.

This statement was made by me and is true in accordance with my understanding.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:39:AM
TAPAS BARMAN 06 MAY 07
242 to 243 Witness statement of Joao Pedro Ramos Agapito 2007.05.06
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Joao Pedro Ramos Agapito
Barman
Time/Date: 16H45 2007/05/06
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- Works in "Luz/Ocean Club" for two years as a "barman" in the restaurant "Tapas" from the hours of 09:30 until 17H00;

- When questioned about the missing child, Joao responded that he saw the child and her respective family around the club but did not see them in the restaurant as breakfast was served in the Millenium. He knows from his colleagues that they used to go there regularly for lunch almost every day;
 
- Stated that the restaurant is by reservation only and for this reason, it is not normal to see other people during the day but at night, the restaurant is open to the public. He further knows that in the last two weeks they did not serve dinners or attend bar clients who were not staying in the complex;

- On the other hand, the space between the restaurant and the apartment is an open space that could have been frequented by anyone. Adding that from the restaurant table where the group sat it is difficult to see out due to a window covering. This would have made it difficult to see their apartment windows;

- Relative to the facts of the investigation, he cannot add anything material. His friend telephoned him to keep him updated on the facts and he was involved with the searches that continued until this night (of questioning);

- States that he did not see a person or situation out of normal character in the days before the disappearance but is aware of some break-ins in the residences of the resort, especially in the summer.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:41:AM
TAPAS BAR WAITER
258 to 260 Witness statement of Joaquim Jose Moreira Baptista 2007.05.06
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Joaquim Jose Moreira Baptista

Occupation: Waiter

Place of Work: Tapas Bar, OC

Time/Date: 18H50 2007/05/06

Portuguese National

Comes to the process as a witness. He has worked as a waiter at the Tapas restaurant since 12th Feb 2007. His shift is from 16.00 - 24.00 except for Saturdays when he works from 11.30 to 19.00. The clients who frequent the restaurant are mainly English tourists staying at the OC resort.


When asked he says that he clearly recalls the appearance of the girl's parents, he does not know their names, together with a group of English tourists who generally accompanied them, as for almost a week prior to the disappearance they would dine practically every day in the Tapas restaurant. On the occasions he saw the group dining at the restaurant he never saw the children.

When asked, he says he does not remember ever having seen Madeleine's face, which only happened when he saw her photograph after the disappearance.

When asked, he said that during dinner the men from the group would leave the table, returning to the table a few minutes later. The witness says that he does not know where they went. These absences would last for about 15 minutes. He cannot say with what regularity these absences occurred.

The witness remembers these occurrences well as would often have to take a plate of food requested by one of them back, due to the guest's absence, when he would find that the guest was not at the table when he came to serve the food.

When questioned, the witness says that he remembers on Thursday 3rd May, on the day of the disappearance, that the parents went to dine at the restaurant with the usual people. He cannot be precise, but the witness says that the group arrived between 20.00 and 21.00. He remembers there being about 9 people in total. He states that he received the food orders from the group.

Later, between 22.00 and 22.30, when the witness was in the kitchen, he was informed by a colleague that in the meantime a client had entered the restaurant shouting and that afterwards the whole English had left in a panic. The witness' colleague told him that this individual had said that a child had disappeared. A few minutes later the witness noticed great agitation, with many people everywhere searching for the child.

From information that was coming out, the witness learned that the child was a girl, the daughter of one of the English couple and that she had been in a room nearby.

When asked, the witness says that at the time he was working in the restaurant and referring to the days before the disappearance, he never noticed anything unusual. He said that he was never asked about the habits of the English group nor any questions concerning children. He says that on the day of the disappearance from the time he arrived at work, he did not notice anything unusual.

When asked, he says that at the end of the evening the area surrounding the Tapas is quiet with little circulation of people.

He has no comments as to the motive for the disappearance.

No more is said. Read, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2018, 05:44:AM
MANAGER OF OCEAN CLUB 20 JUNE 07
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Testimony from John Elliot Hill 20 June 2007
Witness Statement
Date: 2007/06/20
Time: 14H30
Place: Praia da Luz - Lagos :
Officer responsible: Carlos Dordonnat - Inspector


Name: JOHN ELLIOT HILL

- Profession: Manager
- Place of Work: Ocean Club - Praia da Luz - Lagos


- As the deponent does not speak Portuguese, he will helped by the interpreter Sra. Lidia N. Employee of the PJ.

With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
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The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. The deponent thinks that the GNR arrived at the scene at about 22.45, however in a conversation several weeks later, he heard someone say, he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.
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- Together with Lindsay the deponent occupied himself with orienting the search operations, in the sense of trying to determine that the same area was not searched more than once, given that the search area was quite extensive.
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He has been employed by the Ocean Club since March 2006 and has no knowledge of any untoward situation involving Ocean Club users or in the village itself, other than some damage and minor thefts.


- When questioned he stated that the search operations that he organised finished at about 04.30. Elements from the PJ and GNR reinforcements with sniffer dogs were still at the scene.
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- He wishes to add that he does not know of any motive that could have been the cause of the Madeleine's disappearance.

- On the night of the disappearance he always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time, with the exception of an episode when Gerry went to the main 24 hour reception
- , with the purpose of speaking to a GNR officer, he is not sure at what time this occurred, but it was certainly before 24.00.
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- The deponent tried to print various photos that were distributed in different sites as well as trying to support the McCanns, although they did not need so much support after about seven weeks the deponent remembers when, in his personal opinion they were more capable in terms of mental capacity to deal with the situation.
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- No more was said. Signs statement together with the interpreter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2018, 05:20:PM
I have had ample time to reflect upon the alleged circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. And I am now convinced that the timeline introduced by the McCanns and friends simply cannot be true! I am convinced that the alleged checking of children in apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007, was a deliberately manufactured narrative designed to make it appear that the McCann parents had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance at all, because they were alibi'd by their friends!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2018, 05:22:PM
I have had ample time to reflect upon the alleged circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. And I am now convinced that the timeline introduced by the McCanns and friends simply cannot be true! I am convinced that the alleged checking of children in apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007, was a deliberately manufactured narrative designed to make it appear that the McCann parents had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance at all, because they were alibi'd by their friends!

My instinct tells me that Madeleine died before the 3rd May 2007!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2018, 05:24:PM
If this is true, it basically means that the entire group of tapas nine, were all responsible for an act of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, and murder!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2018, 05:25:PM
If this is true, it basically means that the entire group of tapas nine, were all responsible for an act of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, and murder!

If my instincts are correct, it means that a great deal of thought must have gone into the somewhat elaborate scheme conducted by the parents of the missing child, and their friends!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2018, 05:27:PM
Neither the McCann Parents, or any of their friends can prove that Madeleine was still alive at any time on the 3rd May 2007!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2018, 05:30:PM
Neither the McCann Parents, or any of their friends can prove that Madeleine was still alive at any time on the 3rd May 2007!

It seems somewhat obvious to me now, that the parents and their friends have sought to carry out one humongous deception, pinning alleged events to the evening of 3rd May 2007, when they all must have known that Madeleine had already died a few days previously!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 22, 2018, 04:09:AM
Seems to me that the alleged comings and goings of the various tapas group members on the last evening is nothing but a charade, and that between them all or two or more of them they whisked Madeleine's body out of apartment 5A..

Seems somewhat obvious to me now, that everything has bought into the narrative that Kate McCann discovered Madeline missing at her 10.00pm check, on evening 3rd May 2007 - but I think it's a smoke screen..

How coincidental that at the time Kate was supposedly discovering Madeleine gone (10pm), that the Smith contingent saw a man who could have been Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine in the direction of Luz-DOCTORS, the Village Church, derelict building and the shoreline...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 22, 2018, 10:41:AM
Seems to me that the alleged comings and goings of the various tapas group members on the last evening is nothing but a charade, and that between them all or two or more of them they whisked Madeleine's body out of apartment 5A..

Seems somewhat obvious to me now, that everything has bought into the narrative that Kate McCann discovered Madeline missing at her 10.00pm check, on evening 3rd May 2007 - but I think it's a smoke screen..

How coincidental that at the time Kate was supposedly discovering Madeleine gone (10pm), that the Smith contingent saw a man who could have been Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine in the direction of Luz-DOCTORS, the Village Church, derelict building and the shoreline...

Despite alleged eye witness accounts placing the McCann parents at the tapas bar until around 10pm, on 3rd May 2007, I think this was something deliberately introduced to alibi the parents, and other members of the group!

I think Madeleine was already dead long before the McCann parents went out to dinner on that so called last occasion!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2018, 06:46:PM
I am convinced that Gerry McCann, carried Madeleine's body down towards the derelict building situated directly across the street from the village church, and that it was 'ge' who was seen by the S with contingent carrying away his daughter who was already deceased...

I don't have any confidence in the narrative that both parents were present in the tapas bar until 10pm on e being of 3rd May 2007, this part of the area to e is just too convenient...

Gerry McCann must have been the books carrying Maddeilienes body off to dispose it!

He deposited her body overnight, insidethe derelict building directly across the street from the church, her body was buried in a shallow grave within sight of the church steeple from the burial site in the corner of its rear garden. I have been there, and taken photographs of the burial site, looking back towards the church steeple, I photographed Madeleine es ghost in one of the rooms inside the derelict building, Gerry McCann and his wife can deny all they like that they supposedly had nothing to do with their daughters disappearance, every thing points to the fact that they did!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2018, 08:03:AM
I am convinced that Gerry McCann, carried Madeleine's body down towards the derelict building situated directly across the street from the village church, and that it was 'ge' who was seen by the S with contingent carrying away his daughter who was already deceased...

I don't have any confidence in the narrative that both parents were present in the tapas bar until 10pm on e being of 3rd May 2007, this part of the area to e is just too convenient...

Gerry McCann must have been the books carrying Maddeilienes body off to dispose it!

He deposited her body overnight, insidethe derelict building directly across the street from the church, her body was buried in a shallow grave within sight of the church steeple from the burial site in the corner of its rear garden. I have been there, and taken photographs of the burial site, looking back towards the church steeple, I photographed Madeleine es ghost in one of the rooms inside the derelict building, Gerry McCann and his wife can deny all they like that they supposedly had nothing to do with their daughters disappearance, every thing points to the fact that they did!

The fact that the McCann parents spent so much time alone down at the village church without their children at night leads me to suspect that it was just so convenient to manage the disposal of Madeleines remains inside the derelict building and its rear garden situated directly across the road outside the church - the exact address of the derelict building being No.5 Av. dos Pescadores, situated next door to this chemist on the right! Maddie's remains will be found beyond the gate at the bottom of the lamp post, enter the garden and keep to the left hand side perimeter wall until to get to the back of the rear garden, in particular a sort of hollow, with large reeds growing close by. If you stand in the hollow and look back towards St Vincent's Church, you can see the church steeple. There is a shallow grave in this hollow, where Maddie's remains are buried. This site was chosen because of its close proximity to the church, and because the church spire with its clock always in clear view! I believe that the hire car which was hired by the McCanns on 27th May 2007 was used to bring Maddie's remains to the grave which had been prepared beforehand. ..

Maddie's grave is there,  I have stood there upon it back in 2010, it was eerie..

Send Cadaver and blood hounds to this garden, and the spot  in the rear garden that I have identified, it's surely about time this circus was brought to some sort of a conclusion. I captured what appears to be a manifestation of a small child like figure in one of the rooms of this derelict building, which had pink painted walls. I believe this manifestation to be a sign from the spirit world that Madeleine was there, and that her body was buried close by! I found the shallow grave a short distance away. Nobody has investigated my claims yet, I want the police to go there, and recover Madeleine's remains and bring those responsible to justice! Once, her remains are successfully recovered, I will then turn my attention to a return to Saddleworth moor, to recover the body of Keith Bennett..

I am being deadly serious, it's time now for me to intervene, we'll see who's laughing once the police follow my advice!

Let's recover Maddie and give her a proper Christian burial, then let's go up to saddleworth and recover Keith and lay him to rest too..

These kids didn't deserve to die like they both have, the least we can do is to recover them, and give them a proper burial...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 02, 2019, 02:51:PM
If police follow my instructions I expect Maddie's remains to be recovered very quickly, and there should be a news bulletin concerning the discovery of the remains within 48 hours of any action being taken...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on January 02, 2019, 11:58:PM
11 + years on, is the then nearby derelict building still derelict ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 03, 2019, 08:57:AM
11 + years on, is the then nearby derelict building still derelict ?
according to the latest Google earth maps, yes it is albeit the door and the windows have been rendered over. This place is a very significant location, it was an ideal place to lay Maddie's remains to rest, isolated in a remote part of the derelict buildings rear garden, in that hollow, with tall reeds towering around it. The rear garden with mounds of garden waste piled high all over the place, and the disturbed earth and rubble, a shallow grave dug out using a metal bar which lay discarded nearby, and a row of stones laid out in a line as though of some significance to the entomber, large stones some of which were brought there from a remote part of the coastline, like trophies...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 03, 2019, 05:09:PM
according to the latest Google earth maps, yes it is albeit the door and the windows have been rendered over. This place is a very significant location, it was an ideal place to lay Maddie's remains to rest, isolated in a remote part of the derelict buildings rear garden, in that hollow, with tall reeds towering around it. The rear garden with mounds of garden waste piled high all over the place, and the disturbed earth and rubble, a shallow grave dug out using a metal bar which lay discarded nearby, and a row of stones laid out in a line as though of some significance to the entomber, large stones some of which were brought there from a remote part of the coastline, like trophies...
I thought the Police had searched these church grounds early in the investigation. I'm still unsure as to how the McCanns got the key and at what stage: some reports say that Susan Hubbard, the wife of the Anglican priest gave it them, others that Father Pachecho gave them one. It was also rumoured that Kate McCann confessed to him about the manslaughter, though Pachecho has retained his vow of silence on the matter.

Irrespective of the timeline is #3521 one of Mike's best-written posts..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 04, 2019, 09:59:AM
I thought the Police had searched these church grounds early in the investigation. the derelict building across the street, are not part of the Church grounds.. I'm still unsure as to how the McCanns got the key and at what stage: some reports say that Susan Hubbard, the wife of the Anglican priest gave it them, you are referring to the keys to St Vincent's Church, not the derelict building at No. 5 Av. Dos Pescadores..others that Father Pachecho gave them one. It was also rumoured that Kate McCann confessed to him about the manslaughter, the rear garden of the derelict building was never searched, and still has not been searched - if such a search had seen the disturbed ground at the left hand corner of its garden, how come nobody dug up, or checked the shallow grave where the remains of Maddie are buried?though Pachecho has retained his vow of silence on the matter.

Irrespective of the timeline is #3521 one of Mike's best-written posts..

Let's recover Maddie's remains, which can be found exactly where I have pointed out, then let's move forward and locate Keith Bennets remains on Saddleworth moor - I am not bothered that people are saying that it would be akin to finding a needle in a haystack trying to pinpoint Keith's shallow grave on the moor - I already know the general area where Brady interned his (Keith Bennetts) body..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 04, 2019, 05:58:PM
I can't quite see how the priest was deceived..https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 08, 2019, 08:48:PM
I can't quite see how the priest was deceived..https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html

I take the opposite view, it provided the parents with an opportunity to identify an appropriate grave close to hallowed ground where they could lay Madeleine's remains to rest - later on of course, in the knowledge that the church grounds and nearby locations had already been searched! I think the parents used the hire car to pick up Madeleine's remains and transport them to the grounds of the derelict building directly across the street from St Vincent's church ( address, No.5 Av. dos Pesca'), and the hire car office (shop)...

My prediction regarding this matter is true!

Madeleine's remains will eventually be recovered from where I say her parents put her!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 10, 2019, 10:53:PM
Madeleine's remains are going to be found, or recovered, people can deny the insight I am providing into this matter, she currently is buried in the shallow grave which I have identified - once her remains are recovered, one or other parent will be pushed into the position of testifying against the other parent, for the sake of them keeping custody of their other children...

Watch this space, Madeleine's remains are about to be found officially..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 10, 2019, 10:55:PM
Madeleine's remains are going to be found, or recovered, people can deny the insight I am providing into this matter, she currently is buried in the shallow grave which I have identified - once her remains are recovered, one or other parent will be pushed into the position of testifying against the other parent, for the sake of them keeping custody of their other children...

Watch this space, Madeleine's remains are about to be found officially..

Influx of funds by the parents to fund the investigation into the disappearance of their daughter will only lead to the discovery of the truth in this matter, sooner, rather than later..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 10, 2019, 11:00:PM
If I had the funds, and the opportunity, free of trespass laws, I would gladly return to Luz and dig up the shallow grave with my bare hands, so that this sordid matter can be brought to a conclusion - Madeleine is dead, she died before the evening of 3rd May 2007, the parents and their group have not told the truth - it's still not too late, for one or other of the group to break their silence...

We shall see...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 10, 2019, 11:04:PM
I have identified the location of the shallow grave, where Madeleine was disposed of, once her remains are found or recovered, my involvement will be complete, and I will have nothing further to say..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 10, 2019, 11:08:PM
I have identified the location of the shallow grave, where Madeleine was disposed of, once her remains are found or recovered, my involvement will be complete, and I will have nothing further to say..
Yet to be understood, is why the parents who are aware of this thread on this website, aren't breaking their necks to either return to Luz and dig up the shallow grave themselves, or insist that the Portuguese police go there, and dig Madeleine's remains up, so we can give her a proper Christian burial?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 05, 2019, 09:07:PM
Kate McCann 's action in sedating her daughter is /are responsible for her death! She can deny anything she likes, but the truth of the I.

In Respect of this manageable situation the author knows that Madeleine is dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2019, 03:24:AM
I saw some video footage of the McCann parents throwing themselves on the floor in apartment 5A when the authorities turned up, and Kate McCann has what appears to be visible markings on at least one of her arms. Neither she, nor her husband have ever given an explanation for them!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2019, 08:22:AM
I saw some video footage of the McCann parents throwing themselves on the floor in apartment 5A when the authorities turned up, and Kate McCann has what appears to be visible markings on at least one of her arms. Neither she, nor her husband have ever given an explanation for them!

Kate also has been photographed with bruises on similar parts of her arms whilst staying in Portugal. How did such injuries and bruises occur?

When?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2019, 09:29:AM
In another twist of fate, in a photograph taken of Maddie, there appears to exist evidence that Maddie must have got marks, or bruising on her throat, which someone has attempted to conceal using Photoshop editing features. Where is the original photograph, or negative in relation to this particular image?

Why would someone want to, or need to be tampering with a view of Maddies throat using Photoshop software? Who was the person who altered the photograph? How did they get access to the original image which they subsequently tampered with?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2019, 09:35:AM
No similar marks were seen, or found when examining photographic images taken of either, Gerry McCann, or the couples other two siblings!

There exists these markings captured in some photographs taken only of Kate and Madeleine McCann!

Were mother and daughter victime of some sort of violent, sexual or aggressive abuse?

If so, by whom?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2019, 09:38:AM

Were mother and daughter victime of some sort of violent, sexual or aggressive abuse?

If so, by whom?

If the abuser was not Gerry McCann himself, why is it that he does not appear to have been overly concerned about the presence of these bruises and markings on the extremities of his wife and their eldest sibling?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 06, 2019, 09:42:AM
Every photograph that exists in the public domain that was taken of the McCann family consistig of Kate, Gerry, Madeleine and the other two siblings need to be gathered up and put on a database, with the view of identifying any marks or bruises on the extremities of their bodies, or alternatively if any such photographs show evidence of them being altered using Photoshop software!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 09:25:AM
The church at Praia De Luz and it's immediate surroundings still remains a focal point for Kate McCann who returns to Portugal every year and visits it...

Directly across the road, within walking distance, lies the derelict building and it's rear garden..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 09:36:AM
The church at Praia De Luz and it's immediate surroundings still remains a focal point for Kate McCann who returns to Portugal every year and visits it...

Directly across the road, within walking distance, lies the derelict building and it's rear garden..

If the relatives are involved in the death or disappearance of their eldest sibling, and they laid her remains to rest, and concealed it, I think it's odds on that although the body may have been concealed in some somewhat remote location originally,  that the remains were recovered and brought back to a suitable location in close proximity to hallowed ground?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 09:42:AM
If the relatives are involved in the death or disappearance of their eldest sibling, and they laid her remains to rest, and concealed it, I think it's odds on that although the body may have been concealed in some somewhat remote location originally,  that the remains were recovered and brought back to a suitable location in close proximity to hallowed ground?

This is what links the location of the derelict building and it's rear garden across the street from the church, the hire car, and the McCann parents obsession with the church there in the immediate aftermath of Maddie's demise..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 09:43:AM
This is what links the location of the derelict building and it's rear garden across the street from the church, the hire car, and the McCann parents obsession with the church there in the immediate aftermath of Maddie's demise..

Hence, Kate McCanns annual sojorn to the church at Luz..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 09:51:AM
Being the Christians that the McCann parents make themselves out to be, if they are involved in the death and disappearance of their daughter, they wouldn't have left their daughters remains at some remote place or other, they would have recovered the remains possibly with use of the hire car, and transported them to the safest location as close to the grounds of St Vincent Church in Luz. That location couldn't have been any closer to hallowed ground than the derelict building situated just across the road from the church!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 10:19:AM
Being the Christians that the McCann parents make themselves out to be, if they are involved in the death and disappearance of their daughter, they wouldn't have left their daughters remains at some remote place or other, they would have recovered the remains possibly with use of the hire car, and transported them to the safest location as close to the grounds of St Vincent Church in Luz. That location couldn't have been any closer to hallowed ground than the derelict building situated just across the road from the church!

The front doors of St Vincent's church face towards the front of the derelict building across the road and vice versa. If you are standing inside the church itself with its front doors open, it provides a perfect view of two distinctive features in the matter. You can see from varying standpoints inside the church looking out (a) the front room window behind which in 2010 I captured 'the ghost of Maddie's image in a room I dubbed 'The Pink Room', and (b) the gateway on the side of derelict building which afforded access to the side / back of the building and it's rear garden...

Rather more poignantly the location of the shallow grave situated in a small hollow near the back left hand corner of the rear garden, overshadowed by tall reeds, is perfectly positioned so that (c) anyone standing directly on top of the shallow grave looking back in the direction away from the sea beyond the boundary of the garden wall, you get a perfect view of the church spire across the road!

This shallow grave must have satisfied the parents that this was the safest place to lay their daughters body to rest close to hallowed ground, without much possibility of being found!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 10:27:AM

This shallow grave must have satisfied the parents that this was the safest place to lay their daughters body to rest close to hallowed ground, without much possibility of being found!

This burial site ( which is what it must surely be), was almost certainly chosen in the knowledge that at the beginning of the case, the police took an interest in St Vincent's church and the immediate surrounding areas which may well have included the derelict building and it's gardens! What better place to hide the body later on, than bury it in such a pinpoint accurate position in the rear garden where the police may have already looked at or searched?

Hence..

This is where the rent of the hire car by the McCann parents came into usefulness!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 10:53:AM
Hence..

This is where the rent of the hire car by the McCann parents came into usefulness!

The body was recovered from its original hiding place, possibly because of it having decayed and the smell of the decomposing body becoming airborne locally. During the intervening period between Maddie being reported missing and the date the parents hired the rental car, the final resting place where the body of its remains would be interned was identified. Also, it gave the person or people responsible for Maddie's death, ample time to make preparations to contain the remains and the decomposing smell, using chemicals and sealable containment bags. I believe that this explanation covers the evidence about the parents leaving the tailgate of the hire car raised throughout the night at the villa they moved into - to try and get rid of the lingering stench brought about through using the vehicle to transfer Maddie's remains from one place to another!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 12:15:PM
On the same stretch of road, just up from St Vincent's Church, and the derelict building, was the local vehicle Hire shop. A hire vehicle would never look out of place parked up anywhere in that street day or night. Body brought in back of hire vehicle, that was parked up close to the gateway of the derelict building, until it got dark, and with nobody about, which presented the necessary opportunity to lift the remains out of the back of the car, and take it unseen through the gate and the isolation of the derelict building and its rear garden!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 12:32:PM
The shallow grave where the remains of Madeleine McCann would subsequently be laid to rest had already been prepared prior to her body being brought there inside the rear of the hire car! The grave digger had used a three foot long metal bar with a pointed end to prize out stones. I believe that the depth of the shallow grave to be two feet and six inches below the surface inside the hollow. Length and width of the grave sufficient to take the remains of a three year old little girl...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 12:56:PM
After the remains of the body had been transferred from its original hiding place in the rear of the hire car, to the derelict building - the parents undertook a long journey using the hire car which led to speculation that this provided the opportunity for the parents to have disposed of the remains further a field in some remote outback location..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 01:15:PM
Inside the derelict building items of clothing worn by the person responsible for burying the remains in the hollow at the back of the garden were found by me back in 2010 (Light blue jeans, checked shirt, and a navy blue nylon type kaghoul).Rather more telling an empty tube of 'BAYGON' insect pesticide discarded in a neighbouring room of the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 01:56:PM
Inside the derelict building items of clothing worn by the person responsible for burying the remains in the hollow at the back of the garden were found by me back in 2010 (Light blue jeans, checked shirt, and a navy blue nylon type kaghoul).Rather more telling an empty tube of 'BAYGON' insect pesticide discarded in a neighbouring room of the derelict building...
On the evening of Maddie's alleged disappearance, Jane Tanner supposedly saw a man carrying a child in his arms across a road junction next to the McCanns apartment...

Such a remarkable coincidence that in a BAYGON advertisement a masked man wielding A sword carries a woman in his arms, the same posture adopted by 'TANNERMAN'. The same stance, the only thing not visible to Tanner was the sword or the machete in one of the man's hands (the furthest from view, thus hidden)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 03:27:PM
A man seen carrying a child away by Jane Tanner just before Maddie was reported missing, and by reference to the 'Baygon' advertisement, linked to the derelict building and the shallow grave in a hollow of the rear garden, where the remains of a child were brought to..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 03:50:PM
Ironically, the last person to see Maddie alive was the father, Gerry McCann at around 9pm, and the person who alerted everyone to the fact that Maddie was gone, happened during Kate McCanns 10pm check..

Upon returning to the tapas restaurant, Kate yelled out - 'they've taken her, they 've taken her, Maddie is gone'..

Who was she referring to?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 03:58:PM
Ironically, the last person to see Maddie alive was the father, Gerry McCann at around 9pm, and the person who alerted everyone to the fact that Maddie was gone, happened during Kate McCanns 10pm check..

Upon returning to the tapas restaurant, Kate yelled out - 'they've taken her, they 've taken her, Maddie is gone'..

Who was she referring to?

Sandwiched in-between the Gerry check at 9pm and Kate's 10pm check, was the involvement and the interaction involving three of the tapas nine group, (1) Mathew Oldfield, (2) Russell O'Brien, and (3) Jane Tanner..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 04:06:PM
'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' - Kate McCann upon arriving back at the tapas restaurant bar after her ill-fated 10pm check..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 04:18:PM
'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone' - Kate McCann upon arriving back at the tapas restaurant bar after her ill-fated 10pm check..

According to Gerry McCann Maddie was safe and well in her bed at the time of his 9pm check. - but an hour later, his wife found her gone, 'They', whoever they were 'had taken her'..

Who, were 'They'?

Well, it was Oldfield, O'Brien and Tanner who set the smoke screen in-between the McCann parents checks between 9 and 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 04:24:PM
But, Maddie was already dead 48 hours or more before Kate sounded the bugle!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 04:39:PM
But, Maddie was already dead 48 hours or more before Kate sounded the bugle!

At the heart of this deception were at least five of the so called tapas nine group


Gerry McCann (setter)
-------------------------
Jane Tanner (distraction)
Mathew Oldfield (removal of body)
Russell O'Brien (removal of body)
-------------------------
Kate McCann (finder)

Everything points to this being nothing more, or nothing less, than a deception introduced to cover up for the circumstances leading to  Madeleine McCanns death which had occurred 48 hours earlier (1st May 2007)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 05:17:PM
Jane Tanner's role (distraction) was to introduce the decoy of a man carrying off a child in his arms, away from the apartment where the McCann siblings were all sleeping safely within minutes of Gerry McCanns 9pm check. Odd that neither Gerry McCann or Mr Wilkes failed to notice Jane Tanner in the same street?

Jane Tanner places Gerry McCann and Wilkes in the street because she had first hand knowledge that Gerry McCann was going to be saying that he had physically seen Maddie's body in her bedroom during his 9pm visit and check that evening..

In reality Jane Tanner was in the street alone, Gerry and Jess weren't present at that stage. He was probably still inside apartment 5A, and there was no man carrying off any child as alluded to in the Tanner distraction...

If Tanner was part of the bigger picture, well she got her timings wrong, she left the tapas restaurant bar too early, and arrived in the street before Gerry had an opportunity to already leave his 5A apartment! Despite her poor timing she went onto the rest of her script, she went to her apartment and maintained that she had seen 'BAYGON' man, carrying a child off into the wilderness. Her account lacks credibility because she didn't see Gerry McCann standing in the street when she arrived there...

In Gerry's version of the events, he denied standing on one side of the road talking to Jess Wilkes, as described in Jane Tanner's account, simply because he wasn't standing talking to Jess Wilkes in the road when Jane Tanner arrived there - she had to improvise her role in the proceedings, and speculate as to Gerry McCanns position in the road, whereas when Gerry eventually arrived there in the street, he simply described what he had done and to whom he had seen, and spoken too..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 05:21:PM
So, Jane Tanner's account was the 'distraction' I'll conceived and poorly acted out!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 05:23:PM
This leaves the roles in these proceedings of Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien whose duty was to take the body of Maddie out of Apartment 5A. This had to done, when it was done, to make it appear as though the McCann sibling had been abducted in-between the two checks of the McCann parents (9 to 10pm)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 07:07:PM
The body takers accounts don't match up!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 07:11:PM
The body takers didn't go to apartment 5A to check on the McCanns three siblings, at 9.30pm, they went there to take out Maddie's body, so that Kate could come along a short while afterwards to raise the alarm!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 07:18:PM
The 'BAYGON' Link relating to Jane Tanner's sighting of TANNERMAN, and the presence of an empty tube of  'BAYGON' insecticide inside the derelict building close to the shallow grave in a hollow of the back garden, has significance in the alleged disappearance of Maddie McCann at the hands of an abductor, where no abductor existed at all...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 07:30:PM
The McCanns and their group have sought to promote the idea that Maddie was abducted - she wasn't..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 07:47:PM
The McCanns promoted the idea that Maddie was still alive on 3rd May 2007, which allows them to promote the idea that their daughter has been abducted..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2019, 07:49:PM
The McCanns promoted the idea that Maddie was still alive on 3rd May 2007, which allows them to promote the idea that their daughter has been abducted..

Why have the crèche logs covering 1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007 all got contradictions recorded in them?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:06:AM
The McCann parents are hiding behind the general public dissatisfaction that they left their children alone and that this resulted in Maddie being taken - they have chosen to substitute the real meaning in this case, of the usage of the word 'TAKEN'...

The reality in my opinion is that Maddie McCanns life was taken, not that she was taken by any abductor sometime between 9pm be 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007 - unless of course, you choose to ignore the fact as to whether or not that at the time Maddie McCann left apartment 5A for the very last time, on the last occasion, she was alive, or dead?

If you choose to believe she was alive at the time she left apartment 5A for the very last time, then reference to her being 'TAKEN' could mean that she was either abducted, or escorted out of the apartment by some prior arrangement, whereby several members of the tapas nine group had knowledge of such an arrangement! But if so, what could possibly be meant by the term 'knowlege of such an arrangenent'? Could Maddie have been sold on by the parents or one or other of their holiday group to child traffickers?

If Maddie was dead by the time she left apartment 5A for the very last time, you have to ask yourselves whether or not, and who would take the corpse of a dead child out of the apartment at such a critical moment in time, during a one hour period sandwiched between two visits to check on Maddie and the other two children by her parents?

Nobody would have taken the body of a dead child out of their bed, and arrange to do it at such a critical period during that alleged evenings activities, other than if it was dangerous to leave a dead child's body in that bed, or as the case may be in a cupboard in the parents bedroom, or from its hiding place behind the sofa and it be subject to examination during autopsy, at which time the actual cause of death would be discovered, as well as any other injuries the childs body may show evidence of...

If you are the parent, or if you are one or other of the tapas nine group who was / is responsible for Maddie's death, or they knew that 'other thing's had been happening to Maddie in her living years, which might come to light, then they or them, or he or she, would not want the body to be found inside the apartment and be subject of intense examination medically or criminally by the police - the only option to those who might have been involved or responsible in some way for Maddie's demise, would be to get rid of the body, to remove it from the apartment..

Alive, or dead, it's truly bizarre that any would be party involved in 'the taking' of Maddie's body from apartment 5A, occurring at such a convenient time sandwiched in between the two checks made by the parents, Gerry's check at 9pm, and Kate's check at 10pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:36:AM

Alive, or dead, it's truly bizarre that any would be party involved in 'the taking' of Maddie's body from apartment 5A, occurring at such a convenient time sandwiched in between the two checks made by the parents, Gerry's check at 9pm, and Kate's check at 10pm..

The narratives of Jane Tanner and Gerry McCann don't match concerning them being outside in the street adjacent to apartment 5A, at the same time that the would be abductor (TANNERMAN) was walking across the junction at the top of the same street supposedly carrying Maddie off..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:41:AM
The narratives of Jane Tanner and Gerry McCann don't match concerning them being outside in the street adjacent to apartment 5A, at the same time that the would be abductor (TANNERMAN) was walking across the junction at the top of the same street supposedly carrying Maddie off..

How utterly convenient, that Jane Tanner's account about seeing Gerry in the street, and TANNERMAN carrying a child in his arms, should fall or occur so conveniently in with the accounts given by Oldfield and O'Brien to the fact that when they had supposedly carried out the check of the McCann siblings, that they had not physically seen any of the children in their beds?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:58:AM
It would be another 30 minutes of so (10pm) before Kate McCann would inadvertently return back to the tapas bar restaurant and to all and sundry who were present raise the alarm that ' they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone'..!

Rather coincidental is the fact that evening meal had been consumed by the parents and their friends before the alert was raised...

Another strange feature concerns the claim that a child belonging to Tanner / O'Brien was sick and bedridden back at their own apartment, which caused one or other adult to take it in turns at staying with the child and attending the tapas bar restaurant. Therefore when O'Brien was babysitting the sick child in the apartment, Jane Tanner was at the tapas bar restaurant enjoying drinks and her meal. She would leave the tapas bar and go back to their apartment and relieve O'Brien of his duty so that he could go to the tapas bar restaurant to be fed...

So, there was this fluctuation of Tanner and O'Brien, back and forth between their apartment and the restaurant! At no stage could Tanner and O'Brien have been together at the tapas bar and restuarant. However, both could have been together back in the vicinity of their apartment during the critical period between the checks of their own children by the McCann parents!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 04:03:AM
Tanner had to leave the tapas bar to go back to their apartment, and O'Brien had to leave the apartment to go to the tapas bar restaurant, and vice versa!

Where was Russell O'Brien prior to Jane Tanner claiming that she saw Gerry McCann and TANNERMAN in the street outside apartment 5A?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 04:04:AM
Tanner had to leave the tapas bar to go back to their apartment, and O'Brien had to leave the apartment to go to the tapas bar restaurant, and vice versa!

Where was Russell O'Brien prior to Jane Tanner claiming that she saw Gerry McCann and TANNERMAN in the street outside apartment 5A?

Which apartment was he at, or in?

His own, or the McCanns?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 04:14:AM
How soon after Jane Tanner arrived back at her apartment after seeing Gerry and TANNERMAN did O'Brien leave to go to the tapas restaurant?

Since, on Jane Tanner's own account Gerry was not present at the tapas bar when she left to go and relieve O'Brien of his duties, and no time has been given for the arrival of O'Brien at the restaurant? According to Gerry McCanns account he wasn't standing on the same side of the road talking with Jess Wilkes as given in Tanner's account, and he did not even see Tanner at all in the street on that occasion!

Why didn't McCann see Jane Tanner in the street on the occasion that he was there?

Did O'Brien get to the tapas bar restaurant before or after Gerry McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 04:22:AM
Did O'Brien get to the tapas bar restaurant before or after Gerry McCann?

Either, Gerry McCann arrived back at the tapas bar restaurant before O'Brien did, or vice versa..

If McCann returned to the tapas bar before O'Brien, why would O'Brien be volunteering to check on the McCann siblings by 9.30pm only Minutes after arriving there himself? On the other hand, if O'Brien got to the tapas bar before McCann, why would Gerry McCann agree to O'Brien and Oldfield doing a check of the McCann Siblings,  when he had only just come from there himself?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 04:30:AM
How long did Jane Tanner remain at her own apartment once O'Brien went to get his meal?

After his meal, and the fact that he supposedly volunteered to check the McCanns apartment at 9.30pm, he supposedly eventually arrived at his own apartment - how long were Jane Tanner and O'Brien together back in their own apartment, before Jane Tanner herself left to go back to the tapas bar restaurant?

If she went back to the tapas bar, what time did she arrive there after the check that O'Brien had made at 9.30pm?

Did she ever return at all to the tapas bar that evening?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 06:48:AM
At the time Kate McCann went to do her 10pm check - were both Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien not at the tapas bar?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 06:53:AM
Was the man seen carrying the child by the Smith contingent heading down in the direction of the coast, in fact Russell O'Brien who had not returned to either the tapas bar, or his own apartment, but who had 'taken' Maddie's body out of apartment 5A? Does this explain why Jane Tanner never returned to the tapas bar after the supposed 9.30pm check of the McCann siblings by Oldfield and O'Brien?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 07:51:AM
Was the man seen carrying the child by the Smith contingent heading down in the direction of the coast, in fact Russell O'Brien who had not returned to either the tapas bar, or his own apartment, but who had 'taken' Maddie's body out of apartment 5A?

Does this explain why Jane Tanner never returned to the tapas bar after the supposed 9.30pm check of the McCann siblings by Oldfield and O'Brien?

If true, then the accounts given by both Oldfield and O'Brien which describe how the 9.30pm check of the McCann siblings whereby neither of them claim to have physically confirmed the presence of Maddie in apartment 5A, but who chose instead to initially claim that when they had arrived there to do the check on behalf of the McCanns they had simply stood outside the patio door on the poolside of the apartment and listened for noises from within?

 Alternatively, on a different account given by one or other of the pair, they or he had gone into the apartment through the said patio door and Listened tentatively outside the door of the bedroom where the three siblings were all asleep in their cots, or bed?

No mention by either Oldfield or O'Brien regarding the angle at which that bedroom door had been set by Gerry McCann half an hour or less earlier?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 07:56:AM
Rather somewhat astonishingly, was the comments made by Kate McCann regarding the angle of the children's bedroom door which was set at when they left apartment 5A, as compared to the angle of the same door at the time if her 10pm check?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 08:16:AM
Rather somewhat astonishingly, was the comments made by Kate McCann regarding the angle of the children's bedroom door which was set at when they left apartment 5A, as compared to the angle of the same door at the time if her 10pm check?

She did question whether or not the difference in the angle of the children's bedroom door as discovered by the time of her 10pm check as being down to how Oldfield or O'Brien had left it during the check beforehand?

However, no mention by Gerry McCann as to whether or not the same bedroom door was still set at the angle it had been set when they had left the apartment? Nor indeed, the angle he had reset it at after he had seen his daughter for the very last time?

This is an important issue, since by dealing only with one of the two different versions of the alleged check carried out on the McCann siblings by Oldfield /O'Brien no mention by one or other of them concerning the angle of the children's bedroom door at the time they listened outside it, and whether or not it had remained undisturbed after they allegedly left having been satisfied that all was well?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 08:18:AM
But, what of the angle of the children's bedroom door as set or reset once Gerry McCann had seen Maddie for the very last time during his 9pm check?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 08:21:AM
But, what of the angle of the children's bedroom door as set or reset once Gerry McCann had seen Maddie for the very last time during his 9pm check?

Why does Kate McCann believe it or have thought that the angle of the children's bedroom door she discovered at the time of her 10pm check, may have been as a result of the Oldfield / O'Brien check half an hour earlier?

if Oldfield / O'Brien  never opened the door, touched it, or reset it - because according to their versions of the event they only listened at the children's bedroom door, they didn't touch the door, they hadn't opened it, or reset it...

Unless, of course the accounts given by Oldfield /O'Brien are nothing but a smoke screen, and instead of going to apartment 5A to do the 9.30pm check of the McCann siblings, they had gone there to take out Maddie's dead body!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 08:53:AM
It is also considered to be significant that prior to Jane Tanner leaving the tapas bar to go to her own apartment, and she claiming to have seen Gerry McCann standing in the street, and the occasion she saw TANNERMAN carrying off a child in his arms, that both O'Brien and Gerry McCann were both away from the tapas bar when McCann claims he did his 9pm check, and last saw his daughter sleeping peacefully in her bed..

Another way of looking at this sequence of the alleged events, was that once Jane Tanner left the Tapas bar, three of the nine tapas group members were in the vicinity of the apartment where Maddie was 'taken' from by someone...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 09:04:AM

Another way of looking at this sequence of the alleged events, was that once Jane Tanner left the Tapas bar, three of the nine tapas group members were in the vicinity of the apartment where Maddie was 'taken' from by someone...
In my view, the claim that Oldfield / O'Brien did a 9.30pm check at the McCann apartment is nothing but a smoke screen designed to divert attention away from the true purpose of them going to the McCann apartment at that time..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 09:14:AM
In my view, the claim that Oldfield / O'Brien did a 9.30pm check at the McCann apartment is nothing but a smoke screen designed to divert attention away from the true purpose of them going to the McCann apartment at that time..

Remember too, that when Oldfield / O'Brien left the tapas bar at 9.30pm that already away from the tapas bar at that time was Jane Tanner..

9pm - 9.10pm - Gerry McCann, Russel O'Brien, and Jane Tanner away from tapas bar at the same time

9.30pm - Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield away from tapas bar at the same time

10pm -  Russel O'Brien and Kate McCann away from tapas bar at the same time

10pm - Smith contingent see man carrying child in direction of coast line ( beloved to have been Russel O'Brien, or Jeremy McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 09:16:AM
Remember too, that when Oldfield / O'Brien left the tapas bar at 9.30pm that already away from the tapas bar at that time was Jane Tanner..

9pm - 9.10pm - Gerry McCann, Russel O'Brien, and Jane Tanner away from tapas bar at the same time

9.30pm - Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield away from tapas bar at the same time

10pm -  Russel O'Brien and Kate McCann away from tapas bar at the same time

10pm - Smith contingent see man carrying child in direction of coast line ( beloved to have been Russel O'Brien, or Jeremy McCann

At the heart of this deception must be the alleged sickness of the Tanner / O'Brien child who was bedridden on the evening that Maddie's disappearance was brought out into the open..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 09:19:AM
How come there exists no independent medical records to confirm that the Tanner / O'Brien child was taken ill and bedridden?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 09:48:AM
Remember too, that when Oldfield / O'Brien left the tapas bar at 9.30pm that already away from the tapas bar at that time was Jane Tanner..

9pm - 9.10pm - Gerry McCann, Russel O'Brien, and Jane Tanner away from tapas bar at the same time

9.30pm - Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield away from tapas bar at the same time

10pm -  Russel O'Brien and Kate McCann away from tapas bar at the same time

10pm - Smith contingent see man carrying child in direction of coast line ( beloved to have been Russel O'Brien, or Jeremy McCann

The 'BAYGON' link between Jane Tanner's TANNERMAN, and the empty tube of 'BAYGON' insecticide at the derelict building close to the shallow grave in a hollow in the rear garden situated close to St Vincent's church, throws up the image of a sword / machete wielding unidentified man carrying off a females body...

The fact that the McCann parents took refuge in St Vincent's church during the nights after Maddie was reported 'taken', and their insistence that Maddie was abducted, produces a tenuous link between the parents belief that an abductor carried off Maddie, Jane Tanner's 'TANNERMAN' and the existence / discovery of an empty tube of  'BAYGON' close to the location of the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 02:43:PM
'BAYGONMAN' and 'TANNERMAN' being one and the same person..

Add to these 'SMITHMAN', and you then have a Trinity around which you can build up a false abduction case relative to Maddie McCanns demise...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 02:53:PM
I have stood on the edge of the hollow inside which the remains were hidden, I have stood amongst the tall reeds which tower above the shallow grave, I have counted the rocks which for one reason or another were laid out at the base of a wall, I have picked up the metal bar that the grave digger used to prise bricks, stones and rocks from the grave itself, I have stood on top of the actual grave and looked down upon its boundaries, and I have come to the conclusion that it was dug deep and wide enough ( including lengthways), to enable a small child's body concealed inside a sports holdall to be buried there...

This brings me on to the missing sports holdall belonging to Gerry McCann which was photographed inside the cupboard in the parents bedroom inside Apartment 5A on the night of the reported disappearance of Madeleine...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:03:PM

This brings me on to the missing sports holdall belonging to Gerry McCann which was photographed inside the cupboard in the parents bedroom inside Apartment 5A on the night of the reported disappearance of Madeleine...

The timing of the disappearance of Gerry McCanns 'missing sports holdall' is a rather interesting feature mixed up in this matter. We know that after Maddie had already been 'taken', that whoever was responsible had not removed her body from the apartment in 'that' Holdall, because it was captured in crime scene photographs, on a shelf in a cupboard inside the parents bedroom...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:05:PM
As far as Gerry's missing sports holdall is concerned, it only appears to have gone missing at some time before police took an interest in the rented villa, and the hire car!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:14:PM
This makes it highly likely that Maddie's remains were transported from their first hiding place, possibly concealed in the sports bag, in the tail gate of the hire car!

Then, we have got a couple of clues to look at, one of which was (1)  the empty tube of 'BAYGON' insecticide, found inside the derelict building and (2) the location of the shallow grave in the hollow of the derelict buildings back garden..

Did the grave digger, aka the abductor, killer, smother the remains of Maddie with all the contents of the insecticide from the 'BAYGON' tube, in an attempt to repell insects and microscopic organisms from devouring her flesh after her burial?

Is the missing sports holdall belonging to Gerry McCann currently buried beneath the disturbed ground of the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building? I believe that it is highly probable that when the grave is e entually visited by the police and dug up, that the missing holdall will resurface again, containing the remains of Madeleine McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:29:PM
The blood hounds that were used to search apartment 5A, signalled in two specific locations, once by the side of the parents bed, and into  a cupboard in that vicinity, and also to a concealed area behind a sofa in the lounge...

The dogs did not signal when searching the bed in which Maddie supposedly slept, providing a clue to the fact that Maddie did not die either in or upon her own bed..

The places inside which the cadaver dogs signalled inside apartment 5A, were places where the body of a small child could have been concealed from the view of anyone not in the know, so to speak. This couldn't have happened simply by chance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:38:PM
The cadaver dogs, signalled positively when finding 'CUDDLEKAT', which per chance Kate McCann had left back at the villa, before the parents left hurriedly in the knowlege that scenes of Crime were going to be turning up at a moments notice and bearing and examination everything...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:43:PM
The cadaver dogs, signalled positively when finding 'CUDDLEKAT', which per chance Kate McCann had left back at the villa, before the parents left hurriedly in the knowlege that scenes of Crime were going to be turning up at a moments notice and bearing and examination everything...

Here was where the McCann parents, particularly Kate McCann, made a humongous mistake..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:48:PM
Maddie had not died in or on her bed inside apartment 5A as checked later by the cadaver dogs. The dogs failed to give any signals that Maddie had come to any harm at all in the vicinity of her own bed! If as I believe that the parents concealed Maddie's death from the outside world, including their other two siblings, then the obvious choices of concealment of the body in a cupboard in their own bedroom, and behind the sofa in the lounge makes a lot of sense...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 03:51:PM
'CUDDLEKAT' was Maddies favorite toy!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2019, 04:44:PM
Maddie had not died in or on her bed inside apartment 5A as checked later by the cadaver dogs. The dogs failed to give any signals that Maddie had come to any harm at all in the vicinity of her own bed! If as I believe that the parents concealed Maddie's death from the outside world, including their other two siblings, then the obvious choices of concealment of the body in a cupboard in their own bedroom, and behind the sofa in the lounge makes a lot of sense...

On the night news broke about Maddie going missing, police photographed the bed that Maddie had been sleeping in - 'CUDDLEKAT' was shown resting upon a blanket at the top end of the bed...

The cadaver and blood hound dogs gave a positive signal in relation to Maddie's favourite toy at the villa where they moved to, but the bed upon which Madeleine was sleeping provoked no reaction from the dogs at all..

But, the blanket upon which 'CUDDLEKAT' was photographed to be resting on, has gone missing altogether. Imagine how significant a presence of cadaver odour on the blanket of Maddie's bed would have been? It would strongly suggest that a dead Madeleine McCann had been laying on top of the blanket on the bed sometime prior to 10pm on evening of 3rd May 2007...

Kidnappers, and abductors, don't usually go around 'taking' dead bodies of little boys or little girls from their beds...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 04:45:AM
A positive signal by the cadaver dog on 'CUDDLEKAT' at the villa where the McCanns moved to, and had the missing blanket which was photographed on Maddie's bed on the night of her so called disappearance from apartment 5A been examined in the cadaveric exercise and there hadn't been a positive signal from the cadaver dog, it could lead to only one inevitable conclusion - that being that 'after Maddie died' her body had 'not' been laid on top of the blanket on the bed...

We do not know, and we never will because the parents got rid of the blanket, but chose to keep 'CUDDLEKAT' as a (keepsake) trophy...

Maybe at the time 'CUDDLEKAT' was photographed on top of the blanket on Maddie's bed, that neither 'CUDDLEKAT' or the blanket had been, or were contaminated with cadaveric odour? We will never know about the state or the condition of the missing blanket, that is to say whether or not that it was infected with cadaveric odour? But what we do know is that much later on that 'CUDDLEKAT' which was photographed resting on top of the now missing blanket was infected with cadaveric odour...

A lot can be made out from the relationship between (a) the blanket, (b) 'CUDDLEKAT', (c) the photographs showing both the blanket and 'CUDDLEKAT' resting on top of Maddie's bed on the night of her alleged disappearance, (d) the positive reaction of the cadaver dog to 'CUDDLEKAT', and (e) the disappearance of the same blanket!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 04:54:AM

A lot can be made out from the relationship between (a) the blanket, (b) 'CUDDLEKAT', (c) the photographs showing both the blanket and 'CUDDLEKAT' resting on top of Maddie's bed on the night of her alleged disappearance, (d) the positive reaction of the cadaver dog to 'CUDDLEKAT', and (e) the disappearance of the same blanket!

Add to this list (f) the missing sports holdall, belonging to Gerry McCann (which was captured in a photograph taken of the parents bedroom cupboard / wardrobe at the time of the reported disappearance of Maddie by her parents and friends)..

I am rather curious as to the reason why both (a) the blanket, and (f) Gerry's sports holdall, should both have gone missing or not be available for inspection by the cadaver dogs?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 04:57:AM
Maddie missing, blanket missing and Gerry McCanns sports holdall missing - all gone missing, permanently tells a narrative all by itself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 05:02:AM
Why would the parents not want to retain the blanket along with 'CUDDLEKAT'?

Why keep one of these items, but not the other?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 05:03:AM
Why would the parents not want to retain the blanket along with 'CUDDLEKAT'?

Why keep one of these items, but not the other?

When, and in what circumstances did the blanket go missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 05:45:AM
Kate McCanns first witness statement (4th May 2007) contains some rather interesting evidence - she describes how at 9.30pm she was due to go and do a check on the children but that Russell O'Brien had just been and done a check on his own apartment and on the way back to the tapas bar he had been into the McCanns apartment and listened at the childrens opened bedroom door, and that everything was well back in the McCann apartment...

This differs significantly from the version which was subsequently introduced and relied upon..

It appears that Russell O'Brien entered the McCann apartment 'uninvited' prior to 9.30pm, and not that he volunteered to check on the McCann siblings at 9.30pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 05:49:AM

It appears that Russell O'Brien entered the McCann apartment 'uninvited' prior to 9.30pm, and not that he volunteered to check on the McCann siblings at 9.30pm..

Another very interesting aspect mentioned in Kate McCanns statement, was that Russel and her husband Gerry had left the tapas bar together at 9pm in order to check on the children..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 05:54:AM
Another very interesting aspect mentioned in Kate McCanns statement, was that Russel and her husband Gerry had left the tapas bar together at 9pm in order to check on the children..

So, if that be true Gerry McCann must have already returned back to the tapas bar restaurant after his 9pm check of apartment 5A, before Russell O'Brien himself arrived back there at around 9.30pm at which point he tells Kate McCann that he has just checked in on her siblings and that there was no need for Kate to do her 9.30pm check!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 06:01:AM
Why did Kate McCann say in her witness statement that she made on the first full day of the police investigation (4th May 2007) that 'Russell O'Brien' had already been inside the McCann apartment before it was time (9.30pm) for her to go and check on her own children herself, yet the narrative has since changed dramatically into Russell and Mathew had offered to check on the McCann siblings because they were going to do checks of their own back at their apartments, and that this took place post 9.30pm, it could not have happened anytime sooner?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 06:14:AM
If Russell O'Brien and Gerry McCann left the tapas bar at 9pm to do their respective checks of the children in both of their apartments, and these checks were scheduled to take place every 30 minutes or so, then both Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien should have both been back at the tapas bar restaurant before 9.30pm, not afterwards...

This impacts upon the story introduced by Jane Tanner whereby she states that somewhere around 9.10pm, or thereabouts, she had left the tapas bar because she was worried that Gerry McCann was gone a long time and had not returned to the tapas bar. How she had then seen Gerry talking to someone in the street without him seeing her, and at the same time she introduces (somewhat conveniently) the sighting of 'TANNERMAN' carrying a child off in his arms...

She then, presumably went back to her own apartment to see where Russell O'Brien was?

Or, had Russell O'Brien already returned to the tapas bar from his 9pm check, but if that be the case then why does Kate McCann mention in her first witness statement that she was about to go and do her 9.30pm check of her own children back in apartment 5A when Russell O'Brien told her that on his way back from checking his child at his own apartment that he had gone into the McCanns apartment (5A) and listened at the open children's bedroom door and had not heard a peep from any of the children, and that everything was more or less in order back at apartment 5A, so Kate need not concern herself with doing the 9.30pm check...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 06:59:AM
Gerry McCann must have already returned from his own 9pm check to the tapas bar restaurant before Russell O'Brien did, and this throws up a number of questions concerning when Jane Tanner said she had left the tapas bar restaurant, and what she saw in the street at that time (around 9.10pm), for example she claims to have seen Gerry McCann talking to Jess Wilkes on the road close to the McCann apartment, whilst at the same time, she introduces 'TANNERMAN', into her account..

But, what Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien fail to mention, is what happened when she arrived at her own apartment? Was Russell O'Brien present there? Or, as the case may be, did she go into the McCann apartment to supervise the removal of Maddie's body?

Now, if her partner Russell O'Brien had already returned back to the tapas bar before she had left there, then how could Jane Tanner have seen Gerry McCann in the street at about 9.10pm talking with Jess Wilkes? Impossible! According to the routine adopted by the McCann and O'Brien / Tanner with regards to the regular checking of their children back in their apartments, one person left the tapas bar after the return of the other, or vice versa, at 30 minute intervals or thereabouts! So if Russell O'Brien was back at the tapas bar by 9.30pm (and not leaving there at that time), does it mean that Jane Tanner did not leave the tapas bar until after 9.30pm, and was that because it was her turn to check on her child?

Or, did she leave the tapas bar at 9.10pm, like she maintains?

Why didn't Gerry McCann notice Jane Tanner in the road when he was talking to Jess Wilkes?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:03:AM
I think the claim that the O'Brien / Tanner child was sick or bedridden on that evening, is nothing but a false flag, designed to remove any suspicion that they could have played some part or other in the proceedings. In particular, it created an explanation for their movements back and forth from the tapas bar to their apartment - but what they are saying cannot be verified by any independent source..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:21:AM
I have read somewhere that one or other of the tapas nine group caused Gerry McCann some consternation by telling both Kate and he, that everything was OK back at the McCann apartment because the person concerned had been listening outside the Children's bedroom window ( situated on the roadside of the premises)..

I think this reaction by Gerry McCann was in relation to what David Payne had said to Kate and Gerry, whilst all three of them were at the tapas bar..

Was this the reason why Gerry McCann did the 9pm check ( for peace of mind), or did what David Payne had spoken about relate in some way to the time when Russell O'Brien had gone into the McCann apartment (5A) and listened at the open bedroom doorway, just before O'Brien returned to the tapas bar just before or about 9.30pm?

In other words..

Did Gerry McCann return to his apartment after 9.30pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:24:AM

Did Gerry McCann return to his apartment after 9.30pm?

That is to say , did he go there before Kate McCann went there at 10pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:30:AM
If he did, and it was in response to what Russell O'Brien had told both Kate and himself just before 9.30pm when it was time for Kate to take her turn of checking the children in apartment 5A, then everything hangs in the balance...

Why did Jane Tanner say in one of her witness statements, or accounts, that she went out from the tapas bar restaurant to see what was keeping Gerry (McCann) so long? I mean, honestly what concern was it of Jane Tanner's (or for that matter, Russell O'Brien) that Gerry McCann had been gone from the tapas bar for such a long period that it compelled Jane Tanner to go and find out all for herself?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:38:AM
If, as the various narratives foretell, Jane Tanner was worried about the length of time that Gerry McCann was absent from the tapas bar restaurant, then why when she finally decided to leave the tapas bar herself, and she sees Gerry McCann in the street talking to someone or other, does she not at least say 'hi, Gerry', or at least make some reference in that particular version of her evidence to the fact that she understood at that / this time what had been keeping Gerry?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:40:AM
What is really and truly important at this juncture, is the true reason behind why Jane Tanner left the tapas bar restaurant when she did...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:41:AM
What is really and truly important at this juncture, is the true reason behind why Jane Tanner left the tapas bar restaurant when she did...

Her sick child, bedridden, was not the reason..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:43:AM
In her mind, at that particular moment was 'what was keeping Gerry McCann so long at his apartment'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:44:AM
And, the very reason why Jane Tanner was so preoccupied about this issue was / is?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:49:AM
And, the very reason why Jane Tanner was so preoccupied about this issue was / is?

Gerry McCanns reaction to learning just before 9.30pm, that Russell O'Brien having dared to enter the McCann apartment, with mention of the children's bedroom door being open, etc, without either Kate's or his own knowledge or consent must have set alarm bells ringing in Gerry McCanns mind, irrespective of whether or not, he (Gerry) already knew that Madeleine was dead or alive by that / this stage!

Intrusion..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:51:AM
Hence, why he left the tapas bar around that / this time (after 9.30pm) to double check on his children and their apartment (5A)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 07:59:AM
Hence, why he left the tapas bar around that / this time (after 9.30pm) to double check on his children and their apartment (5A)...

Gerry McCanns reaction, to what Russell O'Brien told both him and Kate, that he had dared to enter the McCann apartment (5A) didn't go unnoticed by Jane Tanner, who must have been furious that Gerry McCann did not trust her partner (O'Brien) - so that right up until the moment she decides to leave the tapas bar, the longer and longer, Gerry McCanns return to the bar progresses, the more she thought , 'hang on a minute' and 'hope nothing's wrong', that could be pinned on my partner?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 09:36:AM
With this in mind, she storms out of the tapas bar intent on giving Gerry McCann a piece of her mind...

However, upon seeing Gerry in the street engaged in a conversation with someone else, it must have suddenly dawned on her that she had read the situation wrong! I don't believe that once out of the reception entrance and upon seeing McCann standing up the street, that she intact walked up the street in his direction. Instead she turned about face and either went back inside towards the tapas bar, or went down the street in the general direction of the Baptiste shop - hence, why whenever it was that Gerry McCann had been talking to Wilkes, that he never saw her walking up the road towards them, or pass them...

So, therefore, the occasion when McCann and Wilkes exchanged pleasantries in the street outside apartment 5A suddenly becomes a key piece of evidence. Did this meeting of friends occur after Gerry McCanns 9pm check and his return to the tapas bar before 9.30pm, or as the case may be, based upon a reaction to what Russell O'Brien had told both Kate and himself about him having entered apartment 5A, uninvited, without their knowledge or consent, and that Gerry left the tapas bar after 9.30pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 09:42:AM
What we are dealing with here, are several different realities pertaining to the same general overall events...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 09:45:AM
What we are dealing with here, are several different realities pertaining to the same general overall events...

At the heart of all of this, is the person or persons who are responsible for the death of Madeleine McCann - who I shall from this moment forward refer to as 'THE INVISIBLE GORILLA'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 09:47:AM
The variously contradictory accounts offered by the McCann parents and the others from their group, have all put forward varying narratives which deliberately exclude for the possibility that Maddie died inside apartment 5A, from the off..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 09:50:AM
Who is, or as the case may prove to be, who were, and are 'THE INVISIBLE GORILLA(s)'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 09:56:AM
Who is, or as the case may prove to be, who were, and are 'THE INVISIBLE GORILLA(s)'?

In order to address this paradox of the true reality, assume that amongst the so called group of the tapas nine, existed suspicions that more than one party amongst themselves were being accused or suspected by other members of the group, as being involved or responsible for Maddie's death in the apartment! These suspicions would subsequently extend to outsiders such as Robert Murat, or as the case may be, to an imaginary abductor..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:05:AM
In a 'snapshot' view of the overall reality as it stood by let's say 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, if Maddie had still been alive on that date, and that she had not died on any other previous occasion beforehand, we had (1) Gerry McCann suspecting that Russell O'Brien may have killed his daughter, (2) Jane Tanner thinking that Gerry McCann thought that her partner (Russell O'Brien) had killed Maddie, and (3) Kate McCann believing that by 10pm, or thereabouts, that somebody that she clearly must have known the identity of, had 'taken' Maddie...

'They've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:07:AM
Amongst themselves, members of the so called tapas nine group toiled with suspicions and the accusations of one party or more, within the group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:09:AM
Amongst themselves, members of the so called tapas nine group toiled with suspicions and the accusations of one party or more, within the group...

This may have been the case, had Maddie already been dead on any occasion prior to 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:15:AM
By the time that the parents and members of their group got around to reporting Maddie as missing, (after 10pm on evening of 3rd May 2007), all parties within the group had settled their differences of opinion, and decided to stage the reported abduction of Maddie from apartment 5A at a time when supposedly she was still alive and well...

The abduction theory, introduced from the outset by all concerned parties, was the holy grail 'Get out of jail' card, that was capable of the pointed finger at him, her, or them, being diverted onto an imaginary abductor...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:19:AM
What generates the thought that Maddie was already dead before 3rd May 2007, are Kate McCanns comments during a live TV interview where she refers to how awful the first 48 hours were for Gerry and herself...

That's (48 hours) two days...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:21:AM
What generates the thought that Maddie was already dead before 3rd May 2007, are Kate McCanns comments during a live TV interview where she refers to how awful the first 48 hours were for Gerry and herself...

That's (48 hours) two days...

3rd May 2007, therefore suddenly becomes 1st May 2007 (two days earlier)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:24:AM
By some sort of twist of fate, the details contained in the crèche records pertaining to the alleged presence of the McCann siblings, in particular, the placement of Madeleine McCann at the crèche, is at odds with what either McCann parents say concerning who deposited or collected Madeleine from the crèche, on 1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:25:AM
Alarm bells are ringing, why should such inconsistencies exist?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:28:AM
I do not believe that Maddie was still alive on the evening of 3rd May 2007!

Neither do I accept that she was alive at any stage on the day beforehand (2nd May 2007)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:32:AM
I do not believe that Maddie was still alive on the evening of 3rd May 2007!

Neither do I accept that she was alive at any stage on the day beforehand (2nd May 2007)..

I am drawn to the inevitable conclusion that Maddie died on 1st May 2007, and that it took a couple of days for the McCann parents and those who could have played a part in Maddie's death, to come to some sort of agreement amongst themselves how to minimise the consequences of the death, without it seriously impacting on any, or either, of those persons, or person, which privately were being accused or suspected amongst themselves!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:38:AM
In other words, the persons concerned in being accused of playing some role, or other in the death of Maddie, in whatever alleged circumstances (amongst themselves), came to some sort of an agreement to stage the events which allegedly unfolded on the evening 3rd May 2007 as being accounts of the truth, when if the truth be known, what all of them are responsible for doing, is that they introduced a false reality...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:43:AM
In other words, the persons concerned in being accused of playing some role, or other in the death of Maddie, in whatever alleged circumstances (amongst themselves), came to some sort of an agreement to stage the events which allegedly unfolded on the evening 3rd May 2007 as being accounts of the truth, when if the truth be known, what all of them are responsible for doing, is that they introduced a false reality...

I think the Portuguese police got it spot on, the abduction narrative, and everything one member of the tapas nine group or another introduced, simply to bolster up the abduction narrative, was designed to try and prevent discovery of the turmoil which existed amongst the tapas nine group, where one party or another, were accusing somebody else from within their own group of being responsible for Maddie's death!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:46:AM
I think the Portuguese police got it spot on, the abduction narrative, and everything one member of the tapas nine group or another introduced, simply to bolster up the abduction narrative, was designed to try and prevent discovery of the turmoil which existed amongst the tapas nine group, where one party or another, were accusing somebody else from within their own group of being responsible for Maddie's death!

If you hadn't asked me, if you hadn't suggested, if you hadn't administered, if you hadn't been out of the apartment until the wee small hours, if I hadn't checked your apartment whilst you were partying, if this, that or the other?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:47:AM
If you hadn't asked me, if you hadn't suggested, if you hadn't administered, if you hadn't been out of the apartment until the wee small hours, if I hadn't checked your apartment whilst you were partying, if this, that or the other?

Maddie was dead, the fingers were pointing amongst themselves...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:48:AM
It was you, it was him, it was her, it was them...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:52:AM
It was you, it was him, it was her, it was them...

By the evening of 3rd May 2007, all concerned were in agreement on the best way to proceed with the situation, they settled for 'the abduction of Maddie' from her bed, whilst she was still alive, diverting attention away from the true circumstances of Maddie's death...

Maddie was alive (after she had already died two days previously)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 10:57:AM
Hence, why and how convenient 'THE INVISIBLE GORILLA' test / results proved to be so effective in covering up the true reality of the situation in this case. - Maddie was already dead before 3rd May 2007, but by adopting this approach, her short life was prolonged a further 48 hours beyond the time and occasion that she had actually died...

(1) - https://youtu.be/IGQmdoK_ZfY
(2) - https://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
(3) - https://youtu.be/9Il_D3Xt9W0
(4) - https://youtu.be/eb4TM19DYDY
(5) - https://youtu.be/UtKt8YF7dgQ
(6) - https://youtu.be/PWeUhRXohME
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 09, 2019, 12:14:PM
Hence, why and how convenient 'THE INVISIBLE GORILLA' test / results proved to be so effective in covering up the true reality of the situation in this case. - Maddie was already dead before 3rd May 2007, but by adopting this approach, her short life was prolonged a further 48 hours beyond the time and occasion that she had actually died...

(1) - https://youtu.be/IGQmdoK_ZfY
(2) - https://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo
(3) - https://youtu.be/9Il_D3Xt9W0
(4) - https://youtu.be/eb4TM19DYDY
(5) - https://youtu.be/UtKt8YF7dgQ
(6) - https://youtu.be/PWeUhRXohME
Mike I don't think every individual in this group of professionals would have been prepared to risk their career for two relative strangers whatever the predicament Kate and Gerry found themselves in.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 12:27:PM
Mike I don't think every individual in this group of professionals would have been prepared to risk their career for two relative strangers whatever the predicament Kate and Gerry found themselves in.

Have you got? Could you? What do we do now? Who is culpable? If I hadn't? If we hadn't? And ultimately it was you who?

A group of people, all capable of advising, providing, taking part, administering medication of one sort or another which contributed to the death of Maddie...

Who is to blame?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2019, 12:34:PM
This group of individuals all had careers in the medical profession...

It may have been discussed socially between various members of the group, on the possible courses of action by which the McCann parents might try out in an effort to control the restlessness of Maddie McCann...

Somebody acted on such advice, and Maddie died as a result..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2019, 03:12:AM
Mathew Oldfield was introduced into the fray and the circumstances surrounding Russell O'Briens incursion into apartment 5A was moved in time from having occurred before 9:30 p.m. to afterwards . In other words, for one reason or another, Oldfield was supposed to have been with O'Brien, at apartment 5A after 9.30pm with the consent of the McCann parents...

But, why would Oldfield and O'Brien be volunteering to do Kate McCanns 9.30pm check, in view of the fact that Russell O'Brien had very recently checked apartment 5A minutes beforehand?

Why would Oldfield and O'Brien be looking in on the McCann siblings, if minutes before they had already been checked?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2019, 05:32:AM
I think that Gerry McCann went to apartment 5A at 9.30pm, because of Russell O'Briens intrusion minutes beforehand. If Maddie was already dead by that stage he would have been worried about whether or not O'Brien had stumbled upon the fact that Maddie was not sleeping in her bed..

Seems to me that 9.30pm was a pivotal point when things came to a head, and which resulted in Maddie's body having to be taken out of the apartment..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2019, 05:40:AM
I think that Gerry McCann went to apartment 5A at 9.30pm, because of Russell O'Briens intrusion minutes beforehand. If Maddie was already dead by that stage he would have been worried about whether or not O'Brien had stumbled upon the fact that Maddie was not sleeping in her bed..

Seems to me that 9.30pm was a pivotal point when things came to a head, and which resulted in Maddie's body having to be taken out of the apartment..

I think that Jane Tanner left the tapas bar a little while after Gerry McCann at around 9.30pm, to 9.40pm, and that this was the occasion that she saw him in the street talking to a friend of his. I think that Oldfield and O'Brien also left the tapas bar again, and one of them, or Gerry McCann, took Maddie's body out of the apartment - the person who took her body out of the apartment was almost certainly the person who was seen carrying a child by the Smith contingent..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2019, 06:00:AM
There was no reason at all for Kate McCann to have to go and do a 10pm check, because she knew that Gerry left the tapas bar at 9.30pm and hadn't come back. She must have been wondering what was keeping her husband so long?

On top of this, she must have noticed that Oldfield, O'Brien and Tanner, had all left the tapas bar in the wake of Gerry McCanns 9.30pm departure..

She went to her apartment at about 10pm not to check on the children, but to try and find out what was going on? When she got there Gerry wasn't there, neither was Oldfield, or O'Brien. If Maddie had already been dead before the McCanns went out to the tapas bar restaurant, she would have wanted to see if her daughter's body was still where it had been hidden? When she arrived at the apartment I believe that Jane Tanner was there. As soon as she realised that Maddie's body was no longer present inside apartment 5A, she went back to the tapas bar and told those who were present, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Maddie is gone'...

Seems almost certain to me that the people she was referring to who had taken Maddie, were (1) her husband Gerry, (2) Russell O'Brien, and or (3) Mathew Oldfield..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2019, 06:05:AM
I don't think that Kate McCann would have gone back to the tapas bar after she discovered that 'they' had taken Maddie, and leave her other two siblings unprotected and alone. I think Jane Tanner stayed with the remaining two McCann siblings whilst Kate returned to the tapas bar to raise the false alarm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2019, 06:10:AM
Gerry McCann was not at the tapas bar either when Kate left there at 10pm, or when she returned to raise the alarm..

This makes it highly probable that the man seen carrying a child in his arms by the Smith contingent was in fact Gerry McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2019, 03:09:PM
A resident of an apartment on the floor above apartment 5A, on an upper floor has stated that at 10.30pm how they were alerted to the potential disappearance of Madeleine McCann by the fact that they heard a commotion at about 10.30pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, and that they saw Gerry McCann amongst the bushes and shrubs beneath the patio of 5A, and that the witness called down to him and queried what the disturbance was all about? Only to be told by Gerry McCann that a little girl had gone missing...

Rather curiously the cadaver dogs alerted positively to an area in the front garden of 5A, suggesting that traces of cadaveric odour were deposited in the same location where Gerry McCann had been seen and spoken to, on the night of the reported disappearance, so soon after the disappearance of Maddie had been reported..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2019, 03:14:PM
A resident of an apartment on the floor above apartment 5A, on an upper floor has stated that at 10.30pm how they were alerted to the potential disappearance of Madeleine McCann by the fact that they heard a commotion at about 10.30pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, and that they saw Gerry McCann amongst the bushes and shrubs beneath the patio of 5A, and that the witness called down to him and queried what the disturbance was all about? Only to be told by Gerry McCann that a little girl had gone missing...

Rather curiously the cadaver dogs alerted positively to an area in the front garden of 5A, suggesting that traces of cadaveric odour were deposited in the same location where Gerry McCann had been seen and spoken to, on the night of the reported disappearance, so soon after the disappearance of Maddie had been reported..

In what circumstances could Maddie's Cardaveric odour have been transferred into the bushes of the front garden of apartment 5A after the sighting of Gerry McCann there at around 10.30pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 15, 2019, 04:57:PM
Wasn't this the man spotted lurking in the bushes outside the apartment block? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-nannys-new-sketch-329189
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 15, 2019, 10:18:PM
Wasn't this the man spotted lurking in the bushes outside the apartment block? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-nannys-new-sketch-329189

Mrs Fenn wasn't mistaken, she saw and recognised Gerry McCann amongst the bushes and shrubbery on the garden of apartment 5A on the late evening of 3rd May 2007, when he told her that a little girl was missing!

Not 'his daughter', but a little girl..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 16, 2019, 02:24:AM
Mrs Fenn wasn't mistaken, she saw and recognised Gerry McCann amongst the bushes and shrubbery on the garden of apartment 5A on the late evening of 3rd May 2007, when he told her that a little girl was missing!

Not 'his daughter', but a little girl..
I wonder if the motive was robbery but upon seeing Madeleine he took her..http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 11:07:AM
Mrs Fenn wasn't mistaken, she saw and recognised Gerry McCann amongst the bushes and shrubbery on the garden of apartment 5A on the late evening of 3rd May 2007, when he told her that a little girl was missing!

Not 'his daughter', but a little girl..

Sorry, I shall correct myself - Gerry McCann told Mrs Fenn that ' a little girl had been abducted' ( the time was about 10.30pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 11:19:AM
I wonder if the motive was robbery but upon seeing Madeleine he took her..http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

I don't think so..

It depends of course, which incident you are referring to, (1) - Mrs Fenns account evening 1st May 2007, (2) - Kate McCanns account evening and night of 2nd / 3rd May 2007, or (3) alerting that Maddie had been taken by 10pm of the evening 3rd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 01:31:PM
I have recently visited a website which professes to be in existence trying to get justice for Madeleine McCann - the people who run it are control freaks and bullies..

The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann

(1) - https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15875p50-less-than-24-hrs-earlier-the-tragedy#396797

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 01:38:PM
I have recently visited a website which professes to be in existence trying to get justice for Madeleine McCann - the people who run it are control freaks and bullies..

The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann

(1) - https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15875p50-less-than-24-hrs-earlier-the-tragedy#396797

Those that run it, or moderate it, go out of their way to try to tell it's members what evidence to base their opinions or views upon! I was repeatedly told to keep my opinions and views to the evidence which they are saying is the only evidence in the case! Can you believe it?

As I say, a website run by bullies, who purport to be in pursuit of the truth in the Madeleine McCann case, who go about their business by a reliance upon restricted evidence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 01:43:PM
One of the morons that calls himself a moderator (Verdi) of this forum, even went so far as to accuse me of using photographs that were on Jerry McCanns blog (which I consented to him uploading from me) and that I had lied about being the person who had been to Praia de Luz and taken them!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 01:58:PM
One of the morons that calls himself a moderator (Verdi) of this forum, even went so far as to accuse me of using photographs that were on Jerry McCanns blog (which I consented to him uploading from me) and that I had lied about being the person who had been to Praia de Luz and taken them!

Any way, it has opened my eyes regarding the other people who are controlling what it's members can say on these other web forums! It appears that you can only say what these people want you to say, and you may only rely on material which they declare is actual evidence!

I have never heard such a load of absolute nonsense in all of my 63 years of life on this earth!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 02:01:PM
By all means, go to their forum and become a member - but be careful what you say, and make sure that whatever you say, is based on what they regard as the evidence!

It's a circus!

Here's the link  : -

(1) - https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15875p50-less-than-24-hrs-earlier-the-tragedy#396797
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 02:49:PM
Controlling what people say, and forcing them to only rely upon what the owners say is the evidence, is akin to the owners being a party to team McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:02:PM
I have not done with all the bastards who think they can con the general public into thinking that 'their website' is the ultimate source regarding what really did happen to Madeleine McCann...

Bullshit!

If you run a website which purports to represent the truth in any matter, you do not try to impose restrictions on what any member or contributor may have to say! Even if the owner of the site is psychologically, emotionally or physically damaged in some way, you do not as the owner of the site place conditions upon forum members! Now, everyone knows that I have got psychological problems, and that on occasions I get abusive in the language that I might use from time to time, but everyone must agree that I never stop anyone from saying what they have got to say..

I never tell anyone that the only evidential source that they must base their opinion upon, is this or that...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:06:PM
I have not done with all the bastards who think they can con the general public into thinking that 'their website' is the ultimate source regarding what really did happen to Madeleine McCann...

Bullshit!

If you run a website which purports to represent the truth in any matter, you do not try to impose restrictions on what any member or contributor may have to say! Even if the owner of the site is psychologically, emotionally or physically damaged in some way, you do not as the owner of the site place conditions upon forum members! Now, everyone knows that I have got psychological problems, and that on occasions I get abusive in the language that I might use from time to time, but everyone must agree that I never stop anyone from saying what they have got to say..

I never tell anyone that the only evidential source that they must base their opinion upon, is this or that...

With this in mind, I have to say that my website (JeremyBamberForum.co.uk) gives a far more balanced view of the overall circumstances of the case, than https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15875p50-less-than-24-hrs-earlier-the-tragedy#396797, does..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:09:PM
None of these 'pretenders ' have arguably even visited Praia de Luz, or spent any of their time physically visiting the locality or spoke to people who were actually living there in May 2007...

Why should we believe anything these armchair detectives say, regarding what we can rely on as evidence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:38:PM
The owner of this fake site, has banned me from her shit site and told me to go back to my own site where I talk to myself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:40:PM
The owner of this fake site, has banned me from her shit site and told me to go back to my own site where I talk to myself...

Er...

171,576 viewings...

Er...

Pardon me low life scumbag?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:41:PM
Ban me all you want scum of the earth, at least here on my forum everybody gets to say what they want / feel they need to say...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:43:PM
My advice, is don't trust anything the people who run this site have got to say, they are part of Team McCann...

(1) - https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15875p50-less-than-24-hrs-earlier-the-tragedy#396797
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:47:PM
The best site in the entire world covering the case of Madeleine McCann, is right here...

Gerry McCann even uploaded all my photographs that I took in June 2010 to his own blog...

What more can I say?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 05:49:PM
I will leave the false pretenders to their own bias script!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 18, 2019, 08:23:PM
I might swear, I might be abusive, but I don't try to tell anyone that they must only rely on one explanation or piece of evidence...

Our thread is the only true approach to resolving this mystery...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 05:05:AM
The Case of Madeleine McCann, has been rolled out for the gullible public using the same deceptions which accompanied the moon landing hoax, 'the earth is a sphere' (not flat or convexed) and 9/11...

We are being controlled by freaks of nature, who lie to us all of the time!

The sooner the public at large wake up to the realisation that the powers that be have been brainwashing us all from birth, the better off we will all be. The monsters that rule over us, use the tool of the media to instill fear in the minds of ordinary people. They use the threat of impending wars, terrorism, and now it's Brexit and all the uncertainty surrounding it - all these things designed to make us rely on the chosen few in power!

Maddie is dead, she ain't coming back, she can't...


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 08:34:AM
The statement of Jacquelyn Mary Williams.

 (8th May 2007)..

That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy, when a female individual arrived, whose name she does not know, just that she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2), being a guest who was staying at the resort and who left at the end of the week, who told her that a girl called "Maddie" has disappeared, and that the girl's parents needed help in looking for her.

When questioned she said that the crêche also offered a free service permitting parents to leave their children in the care of the crêche workers during dinner between 19.15 and 23.00, seeing as the abovementioned situation occurred during this time and that she was on duty for that service on that night.

Whilst this was happening, her colleague tried to find out and confirmed that a child by the name of Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were about to begin the "missing child procedure"..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 08:57:AM
The statement of Jacquelyn Mary Williams.

 (8th May 2007)..

That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy, when a female individual arrived, whose name she does not know, just that she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2), being a guest who was staying at the resort and who left at the end of the week, who told her that a girl called "Maddie" has disappeared, and that the girl's parents needed help in looking for her.

When questioned she said that the crêche also offered a free service permitting parents to leave their children in the care of the crêche workers during dinner between 19.15 and 23.00, seeing as the abovementioned situation occurred during this time and that she was on duty for that service on that night.

Whilst this was happening, her colleague tried to find out and confirmed that a child by the name of Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were about to begin the "missing child procedure"..


During my visit to Praia de Luz in June 2010, I found out that the free child minding service in operation to cater for children who's parents might or were having their evening meal at the nearby tapas bar, was available between 7.30pm and 11pm each night. I found this out from speaking to a local resident. I was told where the night crèche was located, and it was not inside the Ocean Club grounds, it was on the other side of the road across from block 3 on the corner of a junction.  This is very interesting because at the exact same time that Kate left the tapas bar to do one of her checks (10 - 10.05pm) an unknown / unnamed woman entered the premises of the night crèche, and told the three childcare workers there that a little girl called 'Maddie' had disappeared and that the parents needed help looking for her...

Now, this is remarkable, for several different reasons..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 09:22:AM
Although J M Williams does not name the woman in question, she does indicate that the woman was the mother of one of the toddlers in the toddler 2 group. It should therefore be possible to identify this woman from the available crèche registers..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 09:25:AM
Although J M Williams does not name the woman in question, she does indicate that the woman was the mother of one of the toddlers in the toddler 2 group. It should therefore be possible to identify this woman from the available crèche registers..

This woman, whoever she was appears to know the McCann parents, and the name of the little girl who had gone missing, because according to Williams the woman said the little girls name was 'Maddie' not ' Madeleine'. We also know that for whatever  reason that Williams knew the identity of the woman because she says in her witness statement that she made to the police on 8th May 2007, that the woman left Portugal to go home at the end of the week, and so by the time she was making her statement the woman at the heart of this matter must have already left and gone home..

Well, the woman was certainly still there at 10.05pm on 3rd May 2007, so when exactly did she leave Portugal? 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 09:33:AM
How did the woman know about the little girl named 'Maddie' long before Kate had alerted everyone to the fact that Maddie had been taken?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 09:39:AM
It must have taken several minutes for Kate to act out her script, from the moment she left the tapas bar at 10.05pm, until she sounded the alert afterwards. I shall allow her the benefit of saying that the earliest period she could have acted out her script was 5 minutes, and on the flip side of the argument, that it took as long as say 10 minutes. This puts the time of Kate McCanns alert somewhere in the region of 10.10pm to 10.15pm..

So, how can the mysterious woman who gave that information to Williams at the night crèche have known that a little girl was missing whose name was 'Maddie', long before Kate could have given her alert to anyone, or everyone?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 09:42:AM
It must have taken several minutes for Kate to act out her script, from the moment she left the tapas bar at 10.05pm, until she sounded the alert afterwards. I shall allow her the benefit of saying that the earliest period she could have acted out her script was 5 minutes, and on the flip side of the argument, that it took as long as say 10 minutes. This puts the time of Kate McCanns alert somewhere in the region of 10.10pm to 10.15pm..

So, how can the mysterious woman who gave that information to Williams at the night crèche have known that a little girl was missing whose name was 'Maddie', long before Kate could have given her alert to anyone, or everyone?

Now, I believe I already know the identity of this mystery woman!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 09:43:AM
There does not exist any disclosed witness statement from her, but there does appear one from her husband / partner. In particular, the husband was interviewed by Leicestershire police in 2008, at which time the following matter was touched upon...


DCF: He was going to take a plane the next day to Switzerland, given that the children's mother lived there, I had never seen him before that night, but he ended up joining us for a coffee, he was a MW tourist. Another couple whose names I do not remember, sat at the table opposite us. A man was sitting on the esplanade having a drink whilst waiting for a take away, I spoke to them briefly, I hadn't realised that the Tapas bar had a take away service. At that time i didn't know their names. At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them, we spoke of tennis amongst other things, I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals (inaudible), I think it was to check on the children , but I do not remember with what frequency or how many times the people left the table to check on the children. We did not talk about the system for checking the children or the fact that they had left them alone in the apartment, it was only later upon hearing the news that I realised that they had left the children alone in the apartment and that they were regularly checking to see if they were all right. Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home, we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance". OK, before going on the next part, do you remember at what time you left'

SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn't see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing "Madeleine, Madeleine" and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.

DCF: Yes, and where you state that it was on GMTV.

SC:: Yes..

DCF: I think that it was reported that it was a three year old child and probably thought who could it be and knew that Kate and Gerry were from Leicestershire and assumed that it was one of their children seeing that they had small children'

SC: Ah.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 10:20:AM
SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn't see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing "Madeleine, Madeleine" and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.

So, this couple leave the tapas bar at roughly the same time that Jayne Tanner, and when Russell O'Brien is returning to the tapas bar to inform the McCann parents that everything was in order back at 5A - please ignore the team  McCann scripts for now, bear with me, what I believe took place when O'Brien returned to the tapas bar at around 9.30pm, that Gerry McCann must have felt puzzled as to why it had taken him all of half an hour to check his own apartment since they had left together to do their respective apartment checks at about 9pm, and then O'Brien had checked the McCann apartment on his way back to the tapas bar, uninvited? So, McCann returns to his own apartment. Any suspicion suspected by McCann concerning O'Briens checking of apartment 5A, did not go unnoticed by Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner. Hence why shortly after Gerry McCann returned to do his second check of the evening at his apartment, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas bar together to go and check on Gerry McCann at 5A, and do another one of their own checks! These events must have coincided with the leaving of the couple from the tapas bar, and the all important evidence that the woman had heard (Someone calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine' twice in quick succession as the couple crossed the road)..

The couple in question, did not see Gerry McCann leave the tapas bar at around 9.30pm or him talking to Jez Wilkins in the street, neither did they see Russell O'Brien returning to the tapas bar just after he said he had checked the McCann apartment at just before 9.30pm. The couple did not see O'Brien or Oldfield leaving the tapas bar shortly after 9.30pm en route to catch up with Gerry McCann, and check their own apartments. Neither did the couple see Jane Tanner leave the tapas bar after her partner O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield left after 9.30pm, with the excuse that she was becoming concerned about the length of time that Gerry McCann had been away from the tapas bar?

So now we have got some semblance as to what the true movements of the group back and forth had been on that crucial evening..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 10:33:AM
Please bear with me...

So the couple who left the tapas bar between 9.15 - 9.30pm on 3rd May 2007, have some important information / evidence concerning somebody calling out 'Madeleine, Madeleine', and this coincided with one or two interesting matters..

Because the couple don't see any of the team McCann either leaving the tapas bar or in the street outside the McCann apartment, and the uncertainty regarding the actual time that the couple left the tapas bar themselves, it leaves it open for one or other of the following persons to have been responsible for calling out 'Madeleines' name twice just as the couple were crossing the road in the vicinity of the McCann apartment..

Russel O'Brien
Gerry McCann
Russel O'Brien, and or Mathew Oldfield
Jane Tanner
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 10:36:AM
Please bear with me...

So the couple who left the tapas bar between 9.15 - 9.30pm on 3rd May 2007, have some important information / evidence concerning somebody calling out 'Madeleine, Madeleine', and this coincided with one or two interesting matters..

Because the couple don't see any of the team McCann either leaving the tapas bar or in the street outside the McCann apartment, and the uncertainty regarding the actual time that the couple left the tapas bar themselves, it leaves it open for one or other of the following persons to have been responsible for calling out 'Madeleines' name twice just as the couple were crossing the road in the vicinity of the McCann apartment..

Russel O'Brien
Gerry McCann
Russel O'Brien, and or Mathew Oldfield
Jane Tanner

It paves the way for someone who knew Madeleine personally, to have 'discovered her to be Missing' prior to Kate McCann raising the alarm at the end of her 10pm check!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 10:40:AM
Please bear with me, because what I have to say next is important..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:02:AM
Please bear with me, because what I have to say next is important..

I shall start off by saying that Gerry McCann did not only do one check of apartment 5A at 9pm, he went back there at 9.30pm..

Secondly, Jane Tanner did not see Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins stand and be talking to one another in the street on any occasion prior to 9.30pm. if she did see them at any stage it could only have been after 9.30pm when Gerry McCann had gone to do his second check of apartment 5A.

Thirdly, it's possible that Jane Tanner never saw McCann and or Wilkins in the street on any occasion, be it before 9.30pm that evening, or afterwards. But then again, it could be true!

Next, it may be true that when Jane Tanner walked out of the tapas bar concerned about how long Gerry McCann had been away that Jane Tanner did see a man carrying a child in his arms, or 'Tannerman'...

Lastly for now, when Gerry McCann went back to apartment 5A at around 9.30pm, if Madeleine had been missing by that stage he would have alerted everyone to the fact that Madeleine was missing, he wouldn't leave it for another half an hour so that when Kate came to do her check on the apartment she would sound the alarm!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:09:AM
Russell O'Brien, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield, or Jane Tanner could have been the person overheard to be calling out Madeleine's name twice when the couple left the tapas bar at around 9.15 - 9.30pm. it suggests that someone was concerned about Madeleine long before Kate did her 10pm check.

We don't know whether the person who was overheard calling out Madeleine's name twice was a male, or a female - hence why Jayne Tanner is included in the list of suspects..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:10:AM
I have gleaned other information from the PJ files which I feel may be relevant to this...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:31:AM
The man seen carrying a child in his arms, known as ' Tannerman' could have been someone who had been to the night crèche to collect their toddler because when the couple were having dinner earlier at the tapas bar restaurant I believe their youngest child or both of their children may have been left with the child care workers. I think the male in the couple I am drawing attention to may have gone up the road at the front of blocks 5, 4 and 3 to collect one of their children and that what Jane Tanner claims she had seen was the man carrying his own child back from the night crèche toward his apartment. The couple in question certainly had an apartment in the direct of block 6 and beyond, and I believe this explanation fits in snugly with this account..

Moreover, I have given it some thought as to the reason why the mystery woman turned up at the premises of the night crèche at 10.05pm, knowing what she claimed to have known even though Kate McCann couldn't have alerted by that stage. I think that the mystery woman was the female half of the couple who were crossing the street at somewhere between 9.15pm and 9.30pm and she heard someone calling out the name ' Madeleine, Madeleine'. I think the couple went back to their apartment and that soon afterward the male went to get one of the children from the night crèche - this was the man seen by Jane Tanner, he was carrying his own child back from the night crèche. The presence of his wife or partner at the same night crèche at 10.05pm almost certainly coincided with the collection of their other child. By that stage the woman already knew that somebody was going to alert that Madeleine had gone missing. The only way she could have known what she knew beforehand was because she overheard team McCann and friends discussing how they could introduce the claim that Madeleine had gone missing..

This woman knew something was in the pipeline long before it got reported..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:33:AM
The man seen by Jane Tanner could have been the husband or partner of the couple I am talking about, and rather than he having attended the night crèche to collect one of his own children, it could have been arranged for him to carry off Madeleine's body to be collected shortly afterward by Gerry McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:35:AM
The man seen by Jane Tanner could have been the husband or partner of the couple I am talking about, and rather than he having attended the night crèche to collect one of his own children, it could have been arranged for him to carry off Madeleine's body to be collected shortly afterward by Gerry McCann..

The couple could be part of the cover up, but the wife wasn't happy with them being drawn into it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:42:AM
Evidence exists to show that there was a couple sat in the tapas restaurant bar when a chef came on duty at around the time the couple were about to leave the bar to go to their apartment (9.15  - 9.30pm), who made a witness statement stating that there was a couple already talking about a little girl who had gone missing and that this took place long before Russell O'Brien, Gerry McCanns, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield, and Kate McCann did their individual or collective checks on apartment 5A...

I believe this couple knew about something before the story broke in the media...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:43:AM
Steven Carpenter was the man..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:47:AM
Steven Carpenter was the man..

There are tentative links between him and the McCanns, also a link between Robert Murat and himself, and of course tentative links between the McCanns and Robert Murat...

It was Carpenter who introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann post Madeleine's disappearance - but I believe they all knew one another beforehand...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:49:AM
'Tannerman' carrying off a child in the direction of the couples apartment, next door to Robert Murat's mothers villa where some of Madeleine McCanns DNA was discovered to be present sets off alarm bells...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:53:AM
The man seen by Jane Tanner could have been the husband or partner of the couple I am talking about, and rather than he having attended the night crèche to collect one of his own children, it could have been arranged for him to carry off Madeleine's body to be collected shortly afterward by Gerry McCann..

Rather astonishingly the night crèche logs appear to be missing...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:55:AM
I would be interested to see whether or not the Carpenters left one or More of their children there at the night crèche, and when one or other Carpenter parent turned up to collect their child or children on the evening 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 11:56:AM
I would be interested to see whether or not the Carpenters left one or More of their children there at the night crèche, and when one or other Carpenter parent turned up to collect their child or children on the evening 3rd May 2007..

And then of course, there are the three children care professionals, one of whom I have concerns about!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 12:00:PM
Charlotte, Elizabeth  Ann Pennington!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 12:02:PM
Charlotte, Elizabeth  Ann Pennington!

She is the person believed to have been flirting with Gerry McCann on the evening when Kate slept in the spare bed..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 12:03:PM
Moreover, if the crèche logs were falsified or got rid of altogether, it needed an insider to arrange for the crèche logs to be faked!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 19, 2019, 12:06:PM
Rather worryingly, the three children care workers who were operating the night crèche service, appear to have deliberately displaced the location where the night crèche was operating on that crucial evening (3rd May 2007), by claiming it was a room inside the Ocean Club complex, when it wasn't...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 11:08:AM
 Sighting of man behaving suspiciously in the vicinity of a local restaurant in the days building up to Maddie being reported abducted...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 11:19:AM
Sighting of man behaving suspiciously in the vicinity of a local restaurant in the days building up to Maddie being reported abducted...

These sightings lasted for about a couple of hours at a time, and the man using his mobile phone behaved oddly because although he was observed using his mobile phone in the street directly outside the proprietors restaurant, the man always went into a nearby telephone kiosk but continued using his mobile phone. He was a dark haired man, clean shaven, and wore different clothing on each occasion he was seen. He was not Portuguese, but looked like a tourist of European origin.

I was interested to learn about one set of clothing this man was wearing, a dark coloured winter type coat, and blue jeans - since clothing matching this description was found by me inside the derelict building situated only a stones throw away from these sightings! The man regularly turned up outside the restaurant behaving like he did, right up to a couple of days before Madeleine was reported missing - and the restaurant in question was just a few yards from the place where the Smith contingent saw a man carrying a child at 10pm on evening of 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:17:PM
Freemasonry lies at the heart of this mystery - is Gerald McCann a freemason?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:18:PM
Freemasonry lies at the heart of this mystery - is Gerald McCann a freemason?

Are members of the  Scotland Yard investigation also freemasons?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:18:PM
Is / was Gordon Brown a freemason?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:19:PM
Was / is Madeleine McCann a symbolic sacrifice?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:22:PM
Scotland yard investigation is a biased one, fuelling belief that what we are dealing with here, is a case of masonic pedophilia...

Power corrupts, and those in power are corrupt!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:26:PM
Scotland yard investigation is a biased one, fuelling belief that what we are dealing with here, is a case of masonic pedophilia...

Power corrupts, and those in power are corrupt!

Parents appear to have been exonerated, because a greater power involving Freemasonry is involved in trying to suppress the truth. One of its own (Gerry McCann) shall be aided and abetted, because he is one of their own, and the freemasons are in the business of looking after their own...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:33:PM
The freemason community are bending over backwards to-do what's er it can to try and protect one of its own members from being prosecuted in connection with Madeleine McCanns death! I think she was born to be a sacrifice of the masonic institution - I don't think it was an accident that the McCanns took their trip to Portugal, the parents almost certainly knew that Maddie was going to be sacrificed, by the powers that be...

She came into their lives unexpectedly, and was taken from them in full knowledge...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:36:PM
It would be a worthwhile exercise to find out whether or not all the male characters involved or mentioned in the investigation were freemasons or not?

Include the Pope in such an enquiry...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:37:PM
It would be a worthwhile exercise to find out whether or not all the male characters involved or mentioned in the investigation were freemasons or not?

Include the Pope in such an enquiry...

What if all the male members of the so called tapas nine group, and police or public relation officers, were all freemasons?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:40:PM
What if all the male members of the so called tapas nine group were all freemasons?

Gerald McCann?
David Payne?
Russell O'Brien?
Mathew Oldfield?
Jez Wilkins?
Robert Murat?
Serge Malinka?
Steve Carpenter?
Gordon Brown?
Clarence Mitchell?
Andy Redwood?
Martin Edward Brunt (Sky News Correspondent)?

Think about it, a nod, a wink, a funny handshake, a dance, and funds available to help clear it's members names, using unreserved amounts of public funding?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 06:49:PM
Everything about this case wreaks of a masonic and a Messiaen involvement in the plight of little Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 07:12:PM
Some evidence exits to suggest that the Parents could have known that when they went to Praia de Luz, that Madeleine was going to be sacrificed at the mercy of the freemason / Christianity systems...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 20, 2019, 07:16:PM
Some evidence exits to suggest that the Parents could have known that when they went to Praia de Luz, that Madeleine was going to be sacrificed at the mercy of the freemason / Christianity systems...

The Church, Freemasonry, the Pope, Government aide financially, and at the heart of it all 'Madeleine', Mary Magdeleine, the virgin Mary, the immaculate Conception, and it should not go unnoticed, that the month of May is a Catholic celebration for..

Her life..

(The month of May being Celebrated / treated in Catholicism as ' the month of Mary')..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 21, 2019, 08:01:AM
The Church, Freemasonry, the Pope, Government aide financially, and at the heart of it all 'Madeleine', Mary Magdeleine, the virgin Mary, the immaculate Conception, and it should not go unnoticed, that the month of May is a Catholic celebration for..

Her life..

(The month of May being Celebrated / treated in Catholicism as ' the month of Mary')..

(1) - https://www.peterjamescullen.com/deconstructing-mccann-full-investigation/1-1-messiah-story/

1.1: A Messiah Story

If the messianic theme was intentional and those quotes are alluding to that, then the story must have been created by writers. This was a possibility I had not previously considered and having an interest in literary / textual analysis, I decided to investigate this further.

If this was an intentional messianic theme then a good writer would allude to ‘The Messiah Story’ and use that story to shape the story of Madeleine. It wouldn’t be much of a messianic theme without that kind of intertextuality and that is exactly what we find:

The Miracle Birth

As we have already seen, David describes the birth of Madeleine as a miracle.

“Madeleine was their miracle.”

David could have used any word to describe this event, but his chosen adjective was the word ‘miracle’. David provides this information in his police interview and the name of the detective conducting David’s interview is Ivor Messiah !!! How unbelievable is that?

David tells Ivor Messiah about the miracle birth of a child called Madeleine – never have three characters been so aptly named.

For those who don’t know why the name David is significant, the Messiah is the ‘Son of David’ born into the Davidic / messianic bloodline. In the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as ‘Son of David’ fourteen times.

“The name ‘Madeleine’ is the French form of Magdalene, well-known because of Saint Mary Magdalene.”

If we look at modern conspiracy lore, Mary Magdalene is seen as the Holy Grail and the true messianic figure.

 The Holy Spirit

The following is taken from an interview with the McCanns by Catholic magazine ‘The Tablet’.

“The parish priest also gave the McCanns the keys to the church so that they could pray there alone in the evenings. It was while they were doing this early in the first week that Mr McCann had an extraordinary experience.

When I was praying I started thinking of all the things that were happening. There were lots and lots of ideas in my head and how we could make things better and I was really feeling very down and not sure which way to proceed. I had this mental image of being in a tunnel and instead of the light at the end of the tunnel being extremely narrow and a distant spot, the light opened up and the tunnel got wider and wider and went in many different directions. I talked to you [Kate] about it and said, ‘I am not prepared to pursue one path. We are going to do everything in our power to influence things.’

It was almost like something – I am not saying it was the Holy Spirit – came into me and gave me that image. That is when I really felt I had a clear path.”

Was it a religious experience?

I can’t say it was a vision because I am not clear what a vision is but I had a mental image and it certainly helped me decide. I became a man possessed that night.”

Source (the original article in Catholic magazine ‘The Tablet’ has been deleted from the internet – as you will see via this link)

Gerry McCann is praying in a church and he has a religious experience.  This involved something coming into him and causing him to became a man ‘possessed’.  Now, until Gerry mentioned it himself, I don’t think that anybody on earth would have thought it was the Holy Spirit.  So a connection is being made between Madeleine’s father and the Holy Spirit.

“Jesus was conceived in the womb of his mother Mary through the Holy Spirit”  source

I should also point out that Kate McCann’s middle name is Marie, the French form of Mary.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 21, 2019, 08:12:AM
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“During this week, the parents of Madeleine, each day, came here to pray, to receive the Holy Spirit and ask the help of the Lord” – Father Pacheco  source

 Non-biological Father

The Portuguese newspaper ‘24 Horas’ (24 Hours) printed a story about Gerry not being the biological father. The paper claimed it was an unknown donor and they were adamant their sources were reliable.

A link to demonstrate that this was an actual news story:  source

Here we have another story that connects Gerry McCann (the father) to the role of Joseph and the story of the miracle birth – Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus.

“…an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit”

This story about Madeleine’s father is another allusion to the Holy Spirit / Messiah story.

That is three different allusions to the miracle birth story: The conversation between David and Ivor Messiah on Madeleine’s birth being a miracle, the father being possessed by the Holy Spirit and the claim that Gerry is not the biological father of Madeleine.

The Donkey

The Donkey is the animal most associated with the Messiah figure. You only have to look at Jesus to see that.

Link: The Messiah’s Donkey

It is also the animal that was immediately associated with Madeleine. The pyjamas that Madeleine was wearing that evening:

“CLOTHING: T-shirt short sleeves with the drawing of a blue and grey donkey on the front, and the word “EEYORE”  source

PHOTO: The McCanns hold up a set of pyjamas similar to those worn by Madeleine.
“Kate and Gerry have studied for donkey’s years, made loads of sacrifices…”  source

 Thought Dead, May Return

There are many people who follow the Madeleine McCann story that believe Madeleine is dead. There are many others who do not share this view, they believe Madeleine was taken, but hope that one day she is returned.

This is very similar to the Christian belief that Jesus was ‘taken’ and will one day be returned. Christians believe this for many reasons, but one of the main ones being that when Jesus died, his body mysteriously disappeared.

The Mysterious Disappearance

When Jesus died on the cross, his body was moved to a tomb and a large stone was placed across the entrance. When Mary Magdalene arrived she found the large stone had been moved and the body had disappeared.

Link: The Empty Tomb

Whatever theory you look at regarding Madeleine they all agree on one thing – that her body, whether that be dead or alive, completely disappeared.

Link: Madeleine’s Disappearance

And talking of stones being moved…

“The parents of the missing British three-year-old Madeleine McCann today vowed to “leave no stone unturned” in the search for their daughter”  source

The Madeleine Fund is registered with companies house as ‘Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited’.  source

The Pope Blessed the Image of Madeleine

As we have already seen, the Pope blessed the image of Madeleine with the Sign of the Cross and like Kate said…

“Rome is already preparing itself”

Conclusion: The writer appears to have constructed a messiah story with Madeleine / Magdalene as the central character. In contemporary literature at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance this same story was already very well known thanks to ‘The Da Vinci Code’ – the story of the messianic Magdalene – more on that later.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 21, 2019, 08:20:AM
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1.2: Ivor Messiah

Can you imagine my reaction when I first discovered Ivor Messiah? The sheer audacity of this writer and until now, nobody has ever questioned it! I find that amazing, as the name is clearly an invention created to serve the overall theme. Upon the discovery of Ivor Messiah I went online to talk about this character and some people actually tried to argue his existence, so let’s take a closer look at him.

We already know Ivor Messiah from his interview with David Payne, but separate from the McCann story, DC Ivor Messiah made his own headlines:

“The Leicestershire officer also allegedly made a ring with the fingers of one hand – which he then poked with the index finger of the other”

Source

How crazy is that story? A police detective in the middle of a murder trial is reported to have made inappropriate sexual gestures to a female juror in full view of the room. Not very professional to say the least albeit not very realistic – and that is because it never happened. Here is why:

The Gaspar Statements: Whilst holidaying with the McCanns and their friends, David Payne made inappropriate sexual gestures in full view of the room.

”Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth”

Not only is the wonderfully named Ivor Messiah the detective who interviewed David Payne (where he was told of a miracle birth and immaculate children) but his actions in court clearly mimic the actions of David Payne as described in The Gaspar Statements.

Anyone who knows the McCann story and reads Ivor Messiah’s story could not fail to be reminded of David and the Gaspar Statements, but for any readers not aware of Ivor Messiah’s links to the McCann story, the Telegraph very kindly reminds us:

“DC Messiah interviewed members of the ‘Tapas Seven’ as part of the investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance”

In conclusion, there is nothing about Ivor Messiah that is remotely believable. His name is an invention to serve the messianic theme and his very own news story is a blatant parallel to The Gaspar Statements.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 21, 2019, 08:23:AM
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1.3: Gaspar

“The name Caspar/Casper is derived from Gaspar”  source

The name ‘Gaspar’ was given to one of the three wise men. Gaspar is the wise man who travelled from India, bearing the gift of Frankincense.

Therefore, the name ‘Gaspar’ is an allusion to the Messiah story and the writer confirms this by creating the name ‘Arul Savio Gaspar’.

The Gaspar Statements consist of two separate statements: one by the wife, Katarina Zacharius Gaspar and the other by her husband, Arul Savio Gaspar. If you look up the meaning of the names Arul and Savio this is what you will find:

Arul – of Indian origin
Savio – clever / wise

In the messiah story, Gaspar was a wise man who hailed from India and the names Arul and Savio have the exact same meaning.

In conclusion, the name ‘Arul Savio Gaspar’ is a fictional construct invented to serve the messianic theme.  It was created as a signifier to alert the audience to The Gaspar Statements themselves being an allusion – this will be explained in the final chapter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 21, 2019, 08:32:AM
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2: Fatima

In May 2017 Portugal celebrated the 100th anniversary of the ‘Our Lady of Fatima’ incident. It is the story of three shepherd children who were allegedly visited by The Virgin Mary.

The 100th anniversary of Fatima’s Marian apparition was a major event with the Roman Catholic Church. The Pope himself attended the 100th anniversary to make Saints of the children.

May 2017 was also the 10th anniversary of the Madeleine McCann story. Here are Kate and Gerry McCann attending the 90th anniversary event in May 2007.

Kate and Gerry McCann at the Portuguese shrine of Fatima.
‘Our Lady of Fatima’ also adheres to the messianic theme as Mary told Lucia (one of the children) of the importance of devotion to her Immaculate Heart.

The events of Fatima are also pertaining to the Roman Catholic church – another recurring theme of the Madeleine story.

Does this contemporary anniversary explain the timing and the location for the Madeleine McCann story? I think it does and the creators of the Madeleine McCann story confirm this in a number of different ways.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 10:38:PM
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2.1: Fatima’s Witness Statement

Full witness statement: source

This is the key paragraph taken from that witness statement when the cleaner at the apartments where the McCanns were staying, Fatima, describes her sighting of the McCann family:

“She states that this took place on Sunday 29th April, just before she finished her morning work shift (13.30) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 13.15 she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing the girl accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5 A) and walk to the stairs leading to the floor above. She was very close to them at a distance of about 1 metre, observing their movements for a few moments because she was charmed by them. Madeleine led the way with a plate (perhaps plastic) in her hand bearing a piece of bread. As regards the clothes she was wearing she only remembers a skirt but cannot recall its description. She noted, because she thought them nice, the type of shoes she was wearing, tennis shoes, light in colour she thinks, which had little lights along the soles, which lit up each time she stepped on the ground. Her siblings followed behind her, wearing the same king of shoes and each holding a piece of bread in their hands, their mother followed behind them without holding their hands. She seems to remember that the mother was also carrying a plate. Moments afterwards, perhaps the time it took to close the apartment door, the father came out and also headed to the apartment upstairs. When asked, she does not remember whether the father pulled the door closed or locked it with a key.”

In this statement we are told that Fatima ‘was charmed by’ the sight of three children and their mother ‘Mary’ as they were leaving their apartment.  As the three children walk they are lit up by lights.

The story of ‘Our Lady of Fatima’ tells us that three children in the town of Fatima witnessed the mother Mary.  They describe seeing a woman “shedding rays of light.”

These were the first connections that I identified, but when we look a bit closer we can see the allusions to this event are numerous.

Numbers

This is the first section of the key paragraph:

“… (13.30) as she had the afternoon off that day. At about 13.15 she went to help her mother, who was cleaning apartment I of the same block (5) situated on the first floor. She clearly remembers seeing the girl accompanied by her siblings and mother leave their apartment (5 A)”

All of these numbers are bunched together within a short space, but can you see the pattern?  There are three number ones, three number threes and three number fives.

To make this allusion easier to spot, the writer twice makes-up the number 13 for us.

The anniversary of ‘Our Lady of Fatima’ is 13th May or 13/5.

Bread

In the statement, Fatima tells us the father was also with Kate ‘Marie’ and the three children, so how does he fit into all this?  He doesn’t and this is signified by the carrying of the bread.  The mother and three children are all carrying bread and Gerry is not.  Bread has religious connotations and the writer uses this to highlight the characters he wants us to focus upon.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 10:52:PM
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2.2: David’s Visit to the McCann’s Apartment

Angel of Peace

If you read the link about ‘Our Lady of Fatima’ you will have read about the Angel of Peace.  The three children of Fatima later claimed that an angel came to them to prepare them for the arrival of Mary.

The Angel of Peace was “whiter than snow”.

If you recall David Payne’s interview with Ivor Messiah, David tells us that Gerry asked him to go to the McCann apartment to check on Kate.  When David gets there he sees Kate and the three children and describes them as:

“…like angels, dressed in white, at peace”

David’s visit to the McCann apartment works alongside Fatima’s statement and completes the allusion to ‘Our Lady of Fatima.’  The author has also found another way to remove Gerry from the picture.  David’s visit to the McCann apartment is taken from his police interview with DC Ivor Messiah.

The story draws the attention of the audience to David’s visit by having Kate and David contradict one another and themselves in a variety of ways.   The most well known is that David says he was there for 3-5 minutes and he stepped into the apartment.  Kate says he was there for 30 seconds and remained at the door.  The writer creates a controversial incident / scene to attract unsuspecting critics, but the entire scene is fictional, it was created as an allusion to the ‘Our Lady of Fatima’ story.

This technique of disguising an allusion with ‘controversy’ is used throughout the Madeleine story.

The Immaculate Heart

We are told that the second appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary happened on the 13th June 1917. This time the lady told them that Lucia would live long in order to spread the message and devotion to the Immaculate Heart.

Here we can see various mirror images of the mother Kate Marie (Mary) that appear to be alluding to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  Again we refer to David’s visit to the McCann apartment where he twice uses the word ‘Immaculate’ to describe the scene before him.

Additionally, the three Fatima children are two girls and one boy, the same as the three McCann children.  That is not a coincidence – that is source material.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:04:PM
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2.3: Praia Da Luz

I think it’s fair to conclude that the contemporary celebration of ‘Our Lady of Fatima’ explains the timing and location for the Madeleine McCann story, but why Praia da Luz?

The name ‘Praia da Luz’ is simply translated as ‘Beach of Light’ and is an old fishing village located in the municipality of Lagos.  An association with fishing / fishermen would be ideal for any messianic story and even though there are likely hundreds of old fishing villages along the Portuguese coastline, the fact that ‘Praia da Luz’ means ‘Beach of Light’ would make this an ideal choice.

Remember, if this is a game of allusion and intertext then the writer has complete creative control and will want to allude to theme and original texts at every possible opportunity.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:08:PM
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3. The Roman Catholic Church

Throughout the narrative we are informed the McCanns are Roman Catholics. The audience are constantly reminded of the McCann’s Catholic faith by a variety of sources, but for the purpose of this article I have chosen the following three witness statements taken from the Portuguese Police files.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:16:PM
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3.1: Paul Seddon

Full witness statement: HERE

“I am a Priest of the Roman Catholic Church”

It shouldn’t come as a surprise to discover that Kate and Gerry McCann are very close friends with a Roman Catholic Priest.  He tells us that they met in 1997, he carried out their wedding in 1998 and he also baptised Madeleine.

“…but more than being a priest, I consider myself above all to be their friend.

Now, I’m not saying people don’t become close friends with their priest.  I’m sure many devoted Catholics are close to their priest, perhaps they even go on holiday with them.

“…I have spent other holiday periods with them including one occasion in Stratford upon Avon after the birth of the twins… I ended up becoming a very good friend of the whole family.”

Shakespeare was from Stratford upon Avon.  The birth of the twins and Stratford upon Avon in the same sentence!  Shakespeare may have been an ingenious fiction writer, but he was also the father of twins and he wrote about twins in his plays.

As we get to know the creativity of the author we can understand why he couldn’t resist alluding to Shakespeare.

“During my stay I helped conduct religious services in the Catholic Church as well as the Anglican church in Praia da Luz… Every time we spoke, they always asked me to pray for Madeleine.”

 I was almost not going to include Paul Seddon, but he is a Roman Catholic Priest, he also claims to be one of the McCann’s closest friends, he conducts religious services for the McCanns, his name is ‘Paul’ and I quite like the Shakespeare link, so I decided to keep him in.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:33:PM
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 3.2: Father Pacheco

The name ‘Pacheco’ is a noble lineage of Portuguese origin that was bore by the descendants of converted Jew Ruy Capon, believed to belong to ‘Tribe of Levi’ – one of the twelve tribes of Israel and the only tribe with the right to be priests.

It was the Levite Samuel (of whom we will hear more about, shortly) that anointed the first two kings of Israel – Saul and David.  Other notable biblical figures like Moses and John the Baptist are also said to descend from the priestly ‘Tribe of Levi.’

If you were writing fiction and creating the character of a Portuguese priest then ‘Pacheco’ would be the perfect name.  That is exactly the kind of research / creativity that goes into naming fictional characters.  For example: In Hitchcock’s ‘Psycho’ – which in itself is a masterpiece of layered construct – Norman Bates is the character’s normal persona and this normal persona along with his normal looking motel are the bait that attracts potential victims = Normal Baits.  As you can see, good fiction writers don’t just pull names out of a hat.

So then, Father Pacheco is a perfectly named Portuguese priest, but what is the significance of his role in the Madeleine McCann story?

The Keys to the Church

The role of Father Pacheco is well documented.  He was the local priest who, after persuasion from a church member, gave the McCanns the key to the church so they could visit whenever they wanted without any media pressure.  That was the church were Gerry claims he encountered The Holy Spirit.

Full witness statement: HERE

The Deception

Aside from giving the McCanns the keys to the church, Father Pacheco made headlines with this story:

“‘I was deceived’, says the Portuguese priest who comforted Gerry and Kate McCann”

We never find out who deceived Father Pacheco or how he was deceived, just that he was deceived.  This mysterious deception caused all kinds of speculation and people still speculate on what this was, but here is my interpretation:

In the McCann narrative the perfectly named Father Pacheco is known for the key to the church and the unknown deception.  They are the two things that people associate with Father Pacheco.  Are these two stories a cryptic message?  Perhaps the key to discovering this deception lies with the church – and considering what we have looked at so far, I would say that is pretty accurate.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:38:PM
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3.3: Peter Neil Patterson

The witness is being interviewed by DC Messiah and DC Ferguson.  Does this mean there is a messianic connection and a Scottish connection?  I’m not saying that’s how it works with every statement, but it seems to work here.

Peter went to Dundee University, the same University that Kate attended, but they didn’t know each other during their time there – the Scottish connection.

Full witness statement: source

“Our youngest son was born nine months ago today”

What a odd thing to state.  However, when we read his statement we discover that Peter’s relationship to the McCanns revolve around child birth, or to be more precise, the difficulties of child birth.  That is the overall theme of the statement and of their relationship, which means Peter is alluding to the theme of his own witness statement!

“I offered Kate a bible…  I have a particular interest in the bible and the form in which it was written…  I have a tendency to mark pages and passages in the bible…there were many marked/tagged passages relevant to the both of us. This happened before Madeleine’s disappearance.”

So Peter is telling us that relevant pages and passages from the Bible were marked and tagged before Madeleine’s disappearance.  That’s good to know.

“The passage which is marked in my wife’s bible I believe is Samuel 2:12. This passage is very significant for me and my wife, but likely has so significance for Kate.”

These marked pages were deemed significant to the Portuguese Police as they decided to photocopy them: source

Samuel 2:12 (I told you Samuel would make an appearance) begins by talking about the death of a child, King David’s child.  It then goes on to tell us about the birth of Solomon – the second anointed King in the Davidic bloodline – and there is the messianic connection.

“Kate asked me to pray at the Marina, which I did, a number of times during the week. I returned home on Sunday, 13th of May, 2007.”

Why does Kate ask Peter to pray at the marina?  Is this an allusion to the biblical Peter being a fisherman?  Does Kate ask anyone other than Peter to pray at the marina?  No, she doesn’t.  This was a specific job just for Peter, which he carried out a number of times during the week.

Also, why did Peter decide to go home on the day of the 90th anniversary of Fatima?  You would think being a devout Roman Catholic he could have delayed his return and taken the unique opportunity to attend this special event.

With Paul Seddon, Father Pacheco, Peter Neil Patterson, Fatima, the Pope and many other examples, I think it’s fair to say this is a wholly Catholic affair.  Or to be more accurate, it’s a conspiracy story that includes the Roman Catholic Church.

In fact, not unlike…
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:44:PM
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   4: The Da Vinci Code

According to McGill the standard technique for identifying allusion is “…to pursue readings that are plausible in terms of textual strategies of the work in question and the culture and moment in literary history that produced the text” 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:47:PM
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  4.1: The Culture and Moment in Literary History

In 2003 the book ‘The Da Vinci Code’ was released.  It is a detective / conspiracy story about the search for the hidden tomb of Mary Magdalene. The location and secret of the tomb was protected by the Knights Templar.

This book is still the best selling book of the 21st century and one of the best-selling books of all time.

In May 2006 the film ‘The Da Vinci Code’ starring Tom Hanks and Audrey Tautou was released to great worldwide success.  It was the second highest grossing film of the year and on the back of its success the author Dan Brown was named as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

By May 2007 the story of the messianic Magdalene and all of its ideas had become firmly embedded in popular culture and a staple of modern conspiracy lore.  Its popularity was peaking and then the Madeleine McCann story broke.

“Madeleine is the French form of Magdalene, which is well known as a name because of Saint Mary Magdalene.”

In May 2007 the Madeleine McCann story broke.  It is a detective / conspiracy story about the search for the unknown location of Madeleine.  The news story was covered internationally and was one of the biggest news stories of the decade.  Initial reports informed us that Madeleine was from Rothley – a town famous for Rothley Temple and its historical links to the Knights Templar.

The Grand Priory of the Knights Templar even left a wreath at the memorial cross in Rothley with the words:

“For the McCann Family, our prayers are with you”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:56:PM
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 4.2: The Knights Templar

The fictional conspiracy ‘The Da Vinci Code’ took inspiration from books like ‘The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail’ and ‘The Templar Revelation’ in linking the Knights Templar with Mary Magdalene.  The story informs us the Knights Templar had secret documents that proved the sacred bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

Rothley Temple:  As you can read for yourself, this preceptory has links to the Knights Templar and the Freemasons.  These links gave rise to many conspiracy theories – the most famous one being that Gerry McCann is a Freemason.  A theory that cannot be true, surely it is just part of the story and the kind of theory that the writers would want people to believe.

It’s like this image of Gerry explaining the ‘wider agenda.’  As many observers have noticed, his diagram was shaped like the Masonic set & compass.

I believe that has been deliberately set-up to fuel the theory that he is a Freemason.

The story is littered with these Knights Templar / Masonic conspiracy “clues” because that is the nature of the story.  It is alluding to modern conspiracy lore and playing to the beliefs of conspiracy culture.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:58:PM
Yet More still:-

4.3: Scotland

In ‘The Da Vinci Code’ our two protagonists find their way to Scotland where they meet the guardian of Rosslyn Chapel.

“Since the late 1980s, the chapel has featured in speculative theories concerning a connection of Freemasonry, the Knights Templar and the Holy Grail.”

This guardian turns out to be the grandmother of Sophie Neveu, a woman who was long presumed dead due to a pact she agreed on to protect her grandchildren and the secret of their royal (Magdalene) bloodline.

Madeleine also has a Scottish grandmother Eileen McCann.  Madeleine even went to stay with her one Christmas:

“When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely”

Gerry McCann, Madeleine’s father, is often portrayed as an archetypal kilt-wearing Scotsman.  This would obviously make Madeleine half Scottish.

So not only does Madeleine live in Rothley, a town well-known for its Templar links, she is also heavily linked with Scotland.

The reported involvement of former Prime Minister Gordon Brown caused all manner of speculation.  We are told that Scotsman Gordon and Scotsman Gerry frequently spoke on the phone.  We are also told that Gordon Brown spoke directly to former Portuguese PM José Sócrates about the Madeleine case.

All of this information fuelled speculation regarding Scottish Freemasons and their involvement in the cover-up conspiracy.  Again, I don’t believe any of it as it all seems to be alluding to ‘The Da Vinci Code’ and modern conspiracy lore.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2019, 11:59:PM
Continued:-

 4.3: Scotland

In ‘The Da Vinci Code’ our two protagonists find their way to Scotland where they meet the guardian of Rosslyn Chapel.

“Since the late 1980s, the chapel has featured in speculative theories concerning a connection of Freemasonry, the Knights Templar and the Holy Grail.”

This guardian turns out to be the grandmother of Sophie Neveu, a woman who was long presumed dead due to a pact she agreed on to protect her grandchildren and the secret of their royal (Magdalene) bloodline.

Madeleine also has a Scottish grandmother Eileen McCann.  Madeleine even went to stay with her one Christmas:

“When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely”

Gerry McCann, Madeleine’s father, is often portrayed as an archetypal kilt-wearing Scotsman.  This would obviously make Madeleine half Scottish.

So not only does Madeleine live in Rothley, a town well-known for its Templar links, she is also heavily linked with Scotland.

The reported involvement of former Prime Minister Gordon Brown caused all manner of speculation.  We are told that Scotsman Gordon and Scotsman Gerry frequently spoke on the phone.  We are also told that Gordon Brown spoke directly to former Portuguese PM José Sócrates about the Madeleine case.

All of this information fuelled speculation regarding Scottish Freemasons and their involvement in the cover-up conspiracy.  Again, I don’t believe any of it as it all seems to be alluding to ‘The Da Vinci Code’ and modern conspiracy lore. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:03:AM
More:-

 4.4: Amelie

In the 2006 movie ‘The Da Vinci Code’ the main protagonists Robert Langdon and Sophie Neveu are played by Tom Hanks and Audrey Tautou.

1. The character Sophie Neveu is from the sacred bloodline of Magdalene.

2. At the time of film’s release (contemporary culture) the actress Audrey Tautou was most well-known for her role as the title character in the film ‘Amelie.’

We are told that Madeleine McCann’s biological sister is named Amelie – a cleverly devised double allusion. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:05:AM
Again:-

 4.5: France

The fact that Madeleine’s sister is named Amelie means that all three McCann females have French names that can be connected to ‘The Da Vinci Code’ – Marie, Madeleine and Amelie.

The character Sophie Neveu (the descendant of Mary Magdalene) is French and the story begins in Paris, ends in Paris and half of the characters are French. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:08:AM
Here:-

4.6: Pyramids

The French poster for ‘The Da Vinci Code’:

The story begins and ends at The Louvre.  The male protagonist Robert Langdon kneels at ‘La Pyramide Inversée’ – an implication that beneath this structure is the final resting place of Mary Magdalene.

‘The Da Vinci Code’ interprets ‘La Pyramide Inversée’ as symbolising the chalice and the blade.  The inverted glass pyramid being the chalice and the stone pyramid underneath as the blade – a representation of the union of sexes.

Here is an image of Gerry and Kate McCann stood in front of a pyramid whilst holding hands:

Isn’t that something?  If that isn’t an allusion to ‘La Pyramide Inversée’ then I don’t know what is.

Pyramid aside, there are hundreds of pictures of the McCanns holding hands and observers to this will assume that is normal / expected, but with regards to ‘The Da Vinci Code’ the V-shape is the symbol of the chalice / womb.  The V-shape is the symbol of Magdalene… especially if you’re holding hands when stood in front of a pyramid.

Stating the obvious here, but Kate and Gerry are the parents of Madeleine.  Their union of sexes produced a ‘Magdalene’ which makes that single image a multiple allusion.  It also makes every image of them holding hands a multiple allusion.

Additionally, twice in Kate McCann’s book ‘Madeleine’ Kate refers to her children in terms of a pyramid.

“Obviously, as they got older they would ask more searching questions and, as we continued to respond, they would gradually build up a picture of the situation in their own heads – a kind of ‘pyramid’ of information.”  p.142

“It had recently emerged that they believed Madeleine was at our house in Rothley.  Worried that the ‘pyramid of information’ they were building in their heads might not be structurally sound.”  p.222   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:09:AM
More:-

 4.7: Robert the Translator

At the beginning of ‘The Da Vinci Code’ we are introduced to Robert Langdon.  He is called upon to assist the police translate a message.  He is also the first person to be suspected of the crime.

At the beginning of the Madeleine McCann story we are introduced to Robert Murat.  He is called upon to assist the police as a translator.  He is also the first person to be suspected of the crime. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:11:AM
Still more:-

 4.8: Numbers

The creator of this allusion likes to use numbers to confirm this is not coincidence.  We have seen this practice already with Fatima’s witness statement and the writer performs the same trick with ‘The Da Vinci Code.’

Birth

Leonardo Da Vinci was born in 1452.

There are 1452 days between Madeleine’s date of birth and her reported disappearance.

You can check that information for yourself if you like – Madeleine’s date of birth is given as 12th May 2003 and she disappeared on the 3rdMay 2007.

Death

Leonardo Da Vinci died in 1519.

The DNA results 15/19 convinced many people that Madeleine McCann died.

“…citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA profile.”  source

“In the sample collected in the boot area of the vehicle, 15 of the identified DNA components coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann, this of [having] 19 components.”  source

“Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item.”  source
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:14:AM
Here:-

  4.9: Transworld Publishers Inc.

Kate and Gerry McCann signed a deal to write a book about the disappearance of their daughter.

“Transworld, home to best-selling authors including Dan Brown and Frederick Forsyth, secured the rights to the couple’s story after a bidding war.  The McCann’s are part-way through writing their account”  source

Transworld Publishers secured the rights to Kate’s book ‘Madeleine’ and also published Dan Brown’s ‘The Da Vinci Code.’  What a coincidence!  And Dan Brown even gets a name-check in the article.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:15:AM
Again:-

4.10: Conclusion

‘The Da Vinci Code’ fulfils the criteria of the allusion being aligned with contemporary literature.  The interplay between the two texts is undeniable.  The author of the Madeleine McCann story has woven theme and content using a wide range of allusions.

If you’re familiar with both stories then you will know there is much more I could add, but for the purpose of this article I am going to leave it there and move on to the final chapter.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:17:AM
More:-

5: The Story of David

Throughout the Madeleine McCann story we are bombarded with controversial stories about David Payne – his visit to the McCann apartment, his encounter with child protection worker Yvonne Martin, his ‘disturbing’ descriptions of Madeleine and his starring role in The Gaspar Statements.

As we have seen, the writer often creates controversial moments to alert the audience to the presence of an allusion.  The fact that David is often at the centre of this controversy tells us that the character of David is an allusion.

We have all heard the story of David and Goliath, but what else do we know about the biblical David?

Info’ HERE

The concept of the Messiah is important in Christianity and the character of David is a key component.

The writers of the New Testament (the Christian bible) trace the genealogy of both Joseph and Mary to the House of David.  They do this to show they are both descended from The Davidic Line to support the claim that Jesus is the true messiah.

That is how important David is to the messianic tradition.

Basically, when it comes to messianic bloodlines, all roads lead to David.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:21:AM
Furthermore:-

  5.1: The Gaspar Statements

The central character of The Gaspar Statements is David Payne and the two key moments of these statements are:

1: Concern when David is overseeing the children bathing.

2: David’s inappropriate sexual act.

Both of these controversial stories combine to create an allusion to a very important messianic story.

David and Bathsheba

If we read Samuel 2:11 we are told that David watched the young Bathsheba as she bathed.  David watched her bathe and he lusted after her.  David was unable to control his lust and acted on it, causing the young Bathsheba to become pregnant.  This was highly inappropriate as Bathsheba was married to Uriah the Hittite.  In an effort to conceal his actions, David urged Uriah to re-consummate his marriage so he would think the child was his, but Uriah would not.  David then sent him to the front lines of battle where Uriah met his death.

1: David watched the young girl bathe.

2: David performed a sexually inappropriate act.

How can we be certain that The Gaspar Statements are an allusion to this story?  Does the text support this interpretation in any other way?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:23:AM
More still:-

5.2: Peter’s Bible

If you recall, the Portuguese police photocopied a page from the bible found in the McCann residence.  This was the bible given to Kate by Peter Neil Patterson.  source

The photocopied page is Samuel 2.12 – a direct continuation of Samuel 2.11 – the story of David and Bathsheba.

What are the chances of that?

The Gaspar Statements appear to be an allusion to Samuel 2.11 and the Portuguese police just so happened to photocopy Samuel 2.12.  The combination of which complete the story of David and Bathsheba.

The Lord punished David for his sins and Bathsheba’s child fell ill and died.  After the death of the child David lay with Bathsheba once more and again she became pregnant, but this time the child survived and was named Solomon.

This is why the writers of the Madeleine McCann story place David as one of the central characters in their story.  They are alluding to the messianic theme and David is where it all began.  This new understanding of the text confirms two previous allusions:

1:  The name Arul Savio Gaspar is an allusion to the messianic theme.  Gaspar is a signifier to alert the audience that The Gaspar Statements are an allusion.  One identified as alluding to the story of David and Bathsheba as told in Samuel 2.11.

2: When Kate asked Peter to pray by the Marina it was an allusion to the biblical Peter being a fisherman.  The writer did this to alert the reader to the importance of Peter’s statement and the marked pages Samuel 2.12.

The three most important characters in the messianic tradition are Jesus / Magdalene, the Immaculate Mary and King David.  This explains why the writer of the Madeleine McCann story continuously alludes to these three characters via their intertextual counter-parts – Madeleine, Kate ‘Marie’ and David.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2019, 12:25:AM
And:-

 Overall Conclusion

The story of Madeleine McCann is not based on reality.  It is a story that has been shaped using other texts.  This kind of work can only be explained by the presence of a highly creative author, one with the freedom to choose locations, create names and invent situations that perfectly match his creative intentions.

This kind of event must have been pre-planned and meticulously engineered.  In other words, the story of Madeleine McCann has been a performance, a work of fiction that was presented to the public under the guise of a real news story.

One can only conclude, due to the perfect alignment between texts, that no child was harmed during this production.  Why would there be?  It makes no sense whatsoever to actually harm a child as it would immeasurably complicate the execution of the story.  It would make the compliance and performance of every individual involved virtually impossible.

Also, the sheer volume of invented material forces us to conclude that invention itself was central to the project – to be admired by a small knowing audience and unseen by everyone else – exactly the same as the Historia Augusta:

“Major problems include the nature of the sources it used, and how much of the content is pure fiction.”

For 1500 years the Augustan History was thought to be a factual historical document.  This view began to change in the late 19th century and was completely changed by renowned 20th century Roman historian Sir Ronald Syme who famously dubbed the unknown author “a rogue grammarian”.

The author of the Augustan History remains unknown (same as the Madeleine McCann story) and the discovery of its numerous literary inventions is now considered to have been the primary purpose for the work itself.

I realise this interpretation of the Madeleine McCann story will generate many more questions and many of these questions will hopefully be answered in future articles.   For example, the next article in this planned series will focus on the fascinating character of Goncalo Amaral under the general theme of police organisations.

I hope you have found this study of the Madeleine McCann story to be interesting and informative.  Perhaps some informed readers will take this interpretation of the story and begin to look at the narrative in a different light and maybe discover things that I have not.

Thanks for reading.

Peter James Cullen 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2019, 06:04:PM
Disturbing development!

When photographs were taken of the scene only four passports were taken..

Gerry McCann
Kate McCann
Child 2
Child 3..

Why was Madeleine McCann's passport absent on the evening / night of 3rd May 2007?


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2019, 06:07:PM
I am acting in the capacity of angelic intervention..

If I have to expand, so be it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 27, 2019, 06:17:PM
I am acting in the capacity of angelic intervention..

If I have to expand, so be it..

Give it up, scum of the Earth.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 28, 2019, 08:26:AM
OK - let's get to the fundamental truth...

Here is the starting point...

Madeleine McCanns birth certificate - who was declared as the father?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 28, 2019, 08:34:AM
OK - let's get to the fundamental truth...

Here is the starting point...

Madeleine McCanns birth certificate - who was declared as the father?

Until we see the actual birth certificate nobody should believe in the McCann / tapas group narratives...

Is it possible that Gerry McCann was not Madeleine McCanns natural / paternal father?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 28, 2019, 08:36:AM
Was it arranged, for Madeleine to be returned to to her paternal father during the Portugal (Luz) trip?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 28, 2019, 08:39:AM
The 'dna' attributed as belonging, or originating from Madeleine McCann, - may not have been conducive to Gerry McCann being the Male donater in the conception?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 28, 2019, 02:50:PM
The 'dna' attributed as belonging, or originating from Madeleine McCann, - may not have been conducive to Gerry McCann being the Male donater in the conception?

Who was / is the paternal father of Madeleine McCann?

Who's name  (father) is recorded on her birth certificate?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 09:51:AM
I pose the following possibility - Madeleine McCann was destined to be reported 'vanished' before the McCann parents even went on holiday...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 09:53:AM
Additionally, not all the manholes or drains were checked in the fishing village of Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 09:58:AM
Additionally, not all the manholes or drains were checked in the fishing village of Luz...

During my visit to Luz (Portugal) in June 2010, I made a remarkable discovery close to the village church and the derelict buildings rear garden...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 10:01:AM
I found manhole covers located in a remote location, which as far as I'm am aware have never been searched or checked - moreover, next to one such manhole cover I found a discarded gentleman's wrist watch..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 03:09:PM
I found manhole covers located in a remote location, which as far as I'm am aware have never been searched or checked - moreover, next to one such manhole cover I found a discarded gentleman's wrist watch..

Before any of you jump to any conculsion, access to these man hole covers were / is restricted..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 03:12:PM
I risked my life (at peril of falling to my death onto the rocky shoreline below) to visit the location of these man hole covers...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 03:14:PM
I risked my life (at peril of falling to my death onto the rocky shoreline below) to visit the location of these man hole covers...

These man holes situated on a precariously dangerous ledge, need to be investigated!.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 03:18:PM
These man hole covers are situated a matter of yards from the location of the shallow grave in the rear garden of the crucial derelict building (No.5), situated directly across the street of the village church.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 06:02:PM
Somewhat more disturbingly, a photograph taken by the police within an hour or so of Madeleine being declared as taken, shows four passports on a worktop, when according to the evidence there were five members of the McCann family, on holiday at the time..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 06:03:PM
Somewhat more disturbingly, a photograph taken by the police within an hour or so of Madeleine being declared as taken, shows four passports on a worktop, when according to the evidence there were five members of the McCann family, on holiday at the time..

Who's passport was missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 06:05:PM
I guess, Madeliene McCanns passport was the missing passport...

Why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 06:15:PM
The shallow grave situated toward the left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building in the shade of a growth of tall reeds, is but a few strides beyond the boundary wall of the garden in question...

If you were to proceed to the boundary wall which separates the rear garden and the sea view, and you clambered a top the said wall and upon looking downward on the coastal side of the wall, you would see a ledge which runs along the entire length of the boundary wall to all the properties. This ledge is approximately the width equivalent to the circular cast iron man hole covers institu - there are as many as two or three such man hole covers along this ledge...

I discovered a gentleman's wrist watch on this ledge adjacent to the derelict buildings rear garden...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 06:16:PM
I did not attempt to open any of the aforementioned man hole covers...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 06:18:PM
I did not attempt to open any of the aforementioned man hole covers...

This was because I was mindful of the drop below should I lose my balance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 01, 2019, 06:20:PM
The manhole covers in question were obviously the gateways to vertical shafts which went down to the sea...

An Ideal location to dispose of and to conceal evidence...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 08:53:AM
The manhole covers in question were obviously the gateways to vertical shafts which went down to the sea...

An Ideal location to dispose of and to conceal evidence...

The rear garden boundary wall to the derelict building separating the location of the shallow grave in a hollow and the manhole covers on the narrow ledge (on the sea side of the Wall) are only several feet away from eachother...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 09:45:AM
What I also found odd once I discovered the shallow grave was that it was topped off by rubble and not soil - making me think that after the grave had been dug out, rubble was placed on top of the body which must have come from the roadworks in the vicinity of the church. I toyed with the idea that whoever had dug the shallow grave did not want to fill it back in with soil because soil would sink leaving a distinctive dip. Rubble was used because it was unlikely that it would sink and potentially expose the cadaver beneath...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 09:56:AM
What I also found odd once I discovered the shallow grave was that it was topped off by rubble and not soil - making me think that after the grave had been dug out, rubble was placed on top of the body which must have come from the roadworks in the vicinity of the church. I toyed with the idea that whoever had dug the shallow grave did not want to fill it back in with soil because soil would sink leaving a distinctive dip. Rubble was used because it was unlikely that it would sink and potentially expose the cadaver beneath...

I am now mindful of the potential for Madeleine's remains still remaining buried at the shallow gravesite which I identified in June 2010, but with a possibility for her body having been exhumed and disposed of in one of the two or three manhole covers which are situated on a ledge beyond the rear boundary wall of the derelict garden..

These particular manhole covers are accessible from either end of the said ledge...

I personally walked along the ledge in question and paused at the manhole covers. I found a gentleman's wrist watch and strap close to the middle manhole cover, which in turn was situated adjacent to where the rear garden of the derelict building is located. It's possible, that Madeleine's remains were originally concealed in the shallow grave, but that it was moved and deposited inside one of the vertical drains on the ledge when the parents were informed that cadaver and blood dogs from the UK were coming to help find Madeleine's body. ..

At this time, was Madeleine's body exhumed and transferred into one of the vertical drains?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 10:08:AM
With this in mind, perhaps Madeleine's body was never in the boot of the hired Renault scenic - maybe clothing and equipment used in the movement of the body was / is the source of the cadaver odour and blood found in the vehicle...

I personally can't believe that a few weeks after Madeleine died, that the parents would risk moving the body of their daughter from its hiding place where it had remained undetected for weeks or a month or so, and transport it in the boot of a hire car they were known to be using!

But, in the knowledge that the cadaver dog and blood hound were coming from the UK, I can see why the remains of Madeleine would need to be exhumed and repositioned in a secluded location not easily accessible to the dogs - it makes perfect sense that if the body had been originally in the shallow grave of the rear garden of the derelict building, that the cadaver dog and the blood hound might show positive alerts inside the derelict building and it's garden because of its close proximity to St Vincent's church which the McCann Parents were known to have been frequenting soon after Madeleine vanished from the face of the earth...

Thus Madelienes remains were exhumed, and transferred and dropped into one of the vertical drains situated on the ledge the other side of the boundary wall of the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 10:26:AM

Thus Madelienes remains were exhumed, and transferred and dropped into one of the vertical drains situated on the ledge the other side of the boundary wall of the derelict building...

Traces of cadaveric odour and bodily fluid from the rehandling of the corpse were subsequently transferred into the boot of the rented hire car, and in the vicinity of the drivers seat and ignition system (including it's key) and clothing worn by involved parties...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 03, 2019, 01:15:PM
I can't see why if Madeleine died accidentally in the apartment by (let's say) a head wound caused by her slipping off unfamiliar furniture that her body would need to be moved had Gerry McCann buried her in the recess of the Roman Catholic church. He could just claim upon her body being discovered that he had nothing whatsoever to do with the incident.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 03:58:PM
I can't see why if Madeleine died accidentally in the apartment by (let's say) a head wound caused by her slipping off unfamiliar furniture that her body would need to be moved had Gerry McCann buried her in the recess of the Roman Catholic church. He could just claim upon her body being discovered that he had nothing whatsoever to do with the incident.

No, they had been self medicating Madeleine, and parts of her body were bruised prior to the occasion they reported her taken...

Another thing, a couple who were present at the tapas bar between around 9.15 - 9.20pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007 were overheard talking about a little girl who had just been abducted. Two members of staff who worked for Warner positively placed this knowledge as being freely available more than 45 - 40 minutes before Kate McCann raised the alarm at around 10pm. This coincided with a couple named the Carpenters leaving the tapas restaurant area between 9.15 and 9.30pm, and Mrs Carpenter recollecting that once they had left the tapas bar and we're crossing the street in the vicinity of the McCanns apartment on their way to their own apartment (situated in the direction of the Murat property) that Mrs Carpenter overheard someone calling out, the name ' Madeleine, Madeleine'...

By 9.30 - 9.45pm an employee of Warner stated that there was nobody sat at any of the tapas bar restaurants tables, but rather that they had all already left the tapas bar and leaving some of their belongings to return to the apartment where the little girl had been taken from...

So, for some reason the reported time when it was known that Madeleine had been taken appears to have been displaced and be misleading...

If Madeleine had been drugged, and or the victim of some sort of abuse, and she had had an accident of sorts with the parents absent on some other occasion (and not the evening of 3rd May 2007, as is being postulated) from the apartment it would have served to paint a bad picture of the parents, which more than likely in this day and age would almost certainly have got both pare ts into a lot of trouble, including being struck off and prosecuted, lose custody of their other two children, and face terms of imprisonment..

Madeleine was almost certainly already dead by breakfast time on 3rd May 2007, or as the case may be, a day earlier by breakfast time 2nd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 04:11:PM
 I also have good reason to believe that the Jane Tanner / Russell O'Brien child was used as Madeleine McCanns substitute in the days leading up to the 3rd May 2007 when it was decided to declare that Madeleine had been taken...

Care should be taken in trying to establish beyond belief the whereabouts of the Tanner / O'Brien child on all occasions after the 29th April 2007, by comparing this feature against the alleged whereabouts of Madeleine McCann throughout the entire period 29th April to evening of 3rd May 2007...

Seems to me to there being a somewhat obvious link between the roles played by Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

The timed checks of the various apartments, and the length of time when one party or another was either away from the tapas bar checking apartments, or as the case may be, whether or not, and if when they were supposedly present at the tapas restaurant bar leaves a lot to be desired..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 04:21:PM
I do not consider myself to be a fool...

Although, others may think that I am...

I am not in the business of making up and telling lies about anything!

I know with 100% of my human spirit that Madeleine McCanns body was originally taken to the inside of the derelict building, and that this took place on the evening of 3rd May 2007. I am as certain as I can be that Gerry McCann took her body there on that evening, and that he was the man seen by the Smith contingent...

Kate McCann and Gerry McCann both know that Madeleine is no longer of this earth!

I honestly suspect that not only did Madeleine's death have something to do with self medication of her by one or other of her parents, and or some form of physical abuse, but that Madeleine may have been the victim of some form of sexual abuse by one or other parent, or one or more of their friends...

With this in mind, had Madeleine's demise been brought about by some sort of a freak accident, it would not have been in the best interests of the McCann parents to deal with reporting Madeleine's death as such...

There may well have existed evidence of drug abuse, physical and sexual abuse..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 04:25:PM
Agencies of the state, are known to be littered with pedophiliac activities, so it should come as little surprise that the agencies of the state (UK) have bent over backwards to try and accommodate the McCann parents involvement in Madeline McCanns demise...

Robert Murat, Clement Freud, and Sergei Malinka falling into the same category...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 04:37:PM
The so called timed checks of the various apartments by one or other of the tapas nine group after 8.30pm, quiet simple do not add up or make any sense..

None of these people could have been in two different places at one and the same time..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 04:40:PM
I think that Madeleine McCann is deceased..

I think that she died for whatever reason during or after the evening of 2nd and the morning of 3rd May 2007..

Of course, there are others who think that she died on some earlier occasion..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 04:42:PM
I think that Madeleine McCann is deceased..

I think that she died for whatever reason during or after the evening of 2nd and the morning of 3rd May 2007..

Of course, there are others who think that she died on some earlier occasion..

I think that the parents and other people who had been responsible for sexually abusing her helped the parents to live out the abduction fantasy for obvious reasons..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 04:43:PM
The so called sick O'Brien / Tanner child lies at the heart of this deception...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 05:20:PM
You have to ask yourselves, where each member of the tapas bar group were at any stage between 8.30pm and 10.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007?

Let's start with GerryMcCann - he leaves apartment 5A at 8.30pm, leaving by the unlocked patio door on the poolside of the apartment block! He allegedly returns to apartment 5A at about 9pm, and sees Madeleine in her bed! There is some sort of a delay before Gerry returns to the tapas bar restaurant after he spoke to Jez Wilkins in the street for several minutes. He Leaves the tapas bar again at around 9.30pm after the return of Russell O'Brien who told him and Kate that everything was OK back at 5A because he had listened at the window. There is no return of Gerry McCann to the tapas bar after 9.30pm..

Russell O'Brien leaves the tapas bar at around 9pm ( same time as Gerry McCann), but does not return to the tapas bar until shortly before 9.30pm. he leaves the tapas bar just after 9.30pm, with Mathew Oldfield on the pretense that he would check the McCann apartment as well as his own. He does not return to the tapas bar but allegedly stays back in his own apartment because his daughter is not very well..

Jane Tanner leaves the tapas restaurant bar at about 9.10 - 9.15pm, on the pretense that she is worried about how long it was taking Gerry McCann to do his check! Upon leaving the reception area and going up the street in the general direction of the McCann apartment she sees Gerry McCann talking to Jez Wilkins. At the same time she sees a man carrying a child in his arms walking away from the rear part of the McCann apartment crossing a road junction. She does not say when she returned to the tapas bar, but leaves again shortly after her partner Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield leave the tapas bar to do another check at 9.30pm in their respective apartments (and the McCann apartment)..

Mathew Oldfield leaves with Russell O'Brien at 9.30pm to check their apartments and the McCann apartment without stating what time they returned to the tapas bar..

Kate McCann leaves her apartment at 8.30pm, and at 9.30pm allows Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield to check the McCann apartment. At 10pm she leaves the tapas bar and goes to her apartment and discovers Madeleine taken...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 03, 2019, 05:39:PM
By around 8.30pm, Gerry and Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, and Mathew Oldfield are all present at the tapas restaurant bar.

nobody present at apartments / all at tapas bar..

At around 9pm, Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien leave the tapas bar restaurant to go and check their respective apartments - Kate McCann and Mathew Oldfield remain back at the tapas bar.

Couple sat at table in tapas bar talking about a little girl who had just been abducted 9.15 - 9.20pm..

Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien at apartments / others at tapas bar..

Carpenter couple leave tapas bar to go back to their apartment (9.15 - 9.30pm), when crossing street in close proximity to McCann apartment t Mrs Carpenter hears someone calling out the name, 'Madeluene, Madeleine'..

Gerry McCann is delayed from returning to the tapas bar because he meets Jez Wilkins in the street close to the McCann apartment. He eventually returns to the tapas bar at around 9.15 - 9.20pm. he leaves again at just before 9.30pm, as a result of Russell O'Brien informing him and Kate that everything was OK back at the McCann apartment because he had listened at the bedroom window.

Disappearance of Madeleine already known about before 9.15 - 9.20pm..

McCann and O'Brien both away at apartments / others at tapas bar. Once McCann returns to tapas bar, only O'Brien away at apartments..

false narrative..

Russell O'Brien returns to the tapas bar at just before 9.30pm..

false narrative..

after return of O'Brien to tapas bar, no-one present at apartments..

Kate McCann gets up to go and do her 9.30pm check (but why if Gerry McCann had just gone there to do the same check)? At this time Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien volunteer to do Kate McCanns 9.30pm check, but why would they have done that considering that Gerry McCann had just gone to do that check?

false narrative..

Gerry McCann goes to apartment, followed by O'Brien, Oldfield, and Tanner leaving only Kate/Tanner at tapas bar..

false narrative..

Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield leave the tapas bar to go and do checks on their own apartments, and the McCann apartment ( why if Gerry McCann was already there checking his apartment himself)?


false narrative..

Jane Tanner leaves the tapas bar after O'Brien and Oldfield leave tapas bar around 9.30pm, on the pretense that they were going to check their respective apartments and the McCann apartment! Why would Jane Tanner leave the tapas bar after 9.30pm after herr partner Russell O'Brien had gone there to do such a check?

false narrative..

Gerry McCann, O'Brien, Oldfield and Tanner all away at apartments, only Kate at tapas bar..

Kate McCann leaves the tapas bar at around 10pm to go and check her apartment, but why would she if Gerry McCann had gone there to check it at around 9.30pm and had not returned to the tapas bar?

false narrative..

everyone at apartments..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 11:43:AM
I have been doing some research into witness statements made by key witnesses who's accounts tend to provide support for the missing children alert to have been known about at a table in the concourse of the tapas bar by a couple from as early as 9.15 - 9.20pm. This is confirmed by an executive of the Ocean club who came on duty at around 9.10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007..

Furthermore, everything points to Mr and Mrs Carpenter being the couple with that knowledge prior to them leaving the tapas bar and returning to their apartment between 9.15 - 9.30pm that same evening..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 11:53:AM
I have been doing some research into witness statements made by key witnesses who's accounts tend to provide support for the missing children alert to have been known about at a table in the concourse of the tapas bar by a couple from as early as 9.15 - 9.20pm. This is confirmed by an executive of the Ocean club who came on duty at around 9.10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007..

Furthermore, everything points to Mr and Mrs Carpenter being the couple with that knowledge prior to them leaving the tapas bar and returning to their apartment between 9.15 - 9.30pm that same evening..

Furthermore, evidence exists within the file that after the 9pm check Russell O'Brien had been unduly delayed away from the tapas bar which caused the staff to have to reheat his evening meal...

O'Brien and Gerry McCann had both left the tapas bar on the basis of checking their respective apartments at about 9pm. (Confirmed by a member of staff). McCann returned to the tapas bar at about 9.20pm, with O'Brien returning about 8 or 9 minutes later...

This fits in snugly with the couple at a table on the concourse at the tapas bar having  knowledge of there having been a missing child as observed by the Ocean Club executive between 9.15 - 9 .20pm. That information could only have been known about by the couple at the table, if (a) the child in question had already been dead for some time previously and the couple were either a party to the narrative, or (b) they over heard Gerry McCann talking about it after he returned from his 9pm check at about 9.20pm...

The couple at the heart of this mystery were Mr and Mrs Carpenter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 11:59:AM
I believe that the Carpenters left the tapas bar that night after Gerry McCann returned there at about 9.20pm, but prior to the return of Russell O'Brien 8 or 9 minutes later...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 12:02:PM
I believe that the Carpenters left the tapas bar that night after Gerry McCann returned there at about 9.20pm, but prior to the return of Russell O'Brien 8 or 9 minutes later...

This makes it possible for the voice which Mrs Carpenter overheard calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine's, to have been the voice of Russell O'Brien (prior to his delayed return to the tapas bar at around 9.29 - 9.29pm)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 12:07:PM
Evidence exists in the McCann PJ files to establish that no sooner does Russell O'Brien return to the tapas bar at just before 9.30pm, that Gerry McCann, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien all leave the tapas bar and return to apartment 5a, accompanied by others including Kate McCann...

A barman gives evidence that at about 9.30pm a table which had previously been occupied by three couples plus an elderly lady was abandoned with the exception of Diane Webster who remained sat there alone..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 04:07:PM
How could Madeleine McCanns disappearance have been known about half an hour before her body was officially reported to be missing?

Was she known to have been taken by 9.15 - 9.30pm, or as the case may be 10pm.?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 04:08:PM
How could Madeleine McCanns disappearance have been known about half an hour before her body was officially reported to be missing?

Was she known to have been taken by 9.15 - 9.30pm, or as the case may be 10pm.?

Which parties are telling the truth?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 04:48:PM

-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:

- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.

inconsistent with parents account..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 04:57:PM
Date: 2007/05/09
Witness Statement
Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn't work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.

He remained at the OC reception until 24.00 when he was replaced by a colleague Mr Eliseu.

He then left the OC and went home.

He did not see or hear anything suspicious on 3rd May nor on the previous days.

from as early as 9.30pm, it was known that the little girl, Madeleine McCann was missing...

This makes a complete mockery of the Mathew Oldfield, and Russell O'Brien 9.30pm (onwards) account, and Kate McCanns 10pm narrative..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:21:PM

Date/Time: 2007/05/08 21H10
Executive Chef
Portuguese

Concerning the issue of the process said;

. Is a functionary of the Ocean Club establishment since the 13th of January of the current year (2007), and is employed as executive chef of the kitchen. He clarifies that along with being responsible for the five (5) kitchens (one of whom is the Tapas) of the Ocean Club, his post essentially centres on the principal kitchen next to a reception, close to the restaurant MIRAGE. His work takes him occasionally to the other kitchens;

. He records that the past Thursday, 3rd of May, he left the central kitchen with the objective of going to the Tapas restaurant in order to determine that everything was functioning smoothly;

. When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one.

. After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else.
. A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. Given the importance of this, believed that he should be in the surroundings. At that moment, he did not leave the area of the restaurant, and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location;

. Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

. When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location (previously noted) and does not know of the existence or any connection between the presence of that vehicle and the disappearance of the child;

. Ending, states that during the days that preceded the facts, he did not notice any element/individual/fact that would have merited his attention;

. And nothing more said, having read the statement, finds it in conformity and signs it;
 
. The document is duly signed by me ?

Tony Almeida, Inspector with this Policia Judiciaria.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:32:PM
Surname: CARPENTER
First name. STEPHEN

Profession: Maintenance Technician
Date of Statement: 21/04/2008- Number of pages : 1

I am the person referred to above and I live at the address provided to the police.
I confirm that I was questioned by DC 4078 Ferguson from Leicestershire police on 21st April 2008.

The questioning began at 10.30 and finished at 11.10 on the same day. The questioning was filmed on DVD and on cassette. This statement was made by me and is truthful according to my understanding.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:36:PM
Surname: CARPENTER
First name. STEPHEN

Profession: Maintenance Technician
Date of Statement: 21/04/2008- Number of pages : 1

I am the person referred to above and I live at the address provided to the police.
I confirm that I was questioned by DC 4078 Ferguson from Leicestershire police on 21st April 2008.

The questioning began at 10.30 and finished at 11.10 on the same day. The questioning was filmed on DVD and on cassette. This statement was made by me and is truthful according to my understanding.


DCF: Charlotte is your wife and at the time of the events you had known her for nine years and I****** is your daughter aged three and a half and F***** is obviously your other child aged five months. During the holiday you met the following persons, Gerry and Kate McCann, saw their children, Madeleine and the twins, but don't know their names. J*** C***** whom I met whilst playing tennis, I also met Dan and Georgia who were tennis instructors of the Mark Warner holiday resort (inaudible) I had met Dan on previous Mark Warner holidays at the (inaudible) resort. . I met the following persons when I participated in the searches for Madeleine during the day after her disappearance, Raj and Neil, Mark Warner tourists, John Hill, manager of the MW resort, we also used three babysitters, Pauline, Emma and Leanne. Emma and Leanne would look after our children in the evenings, they were all British and employees of MW. A man with three children whom I met in the Tapas Bar and who I referred to as the "Tapas Guy" and a Portuguese man in a garage whom I will refer to as the "laundry man".

SC: Okay.

DCF:Okay. That was just to set the scene..

SC: Yes.

DCF: Neil and Raj, two MW tourists that I saw in the Tapas Bar who were looking for Madeleine with me, doesn't make much sense, I think it was perhaps explaining who they are and where I met them. I will now describe the resort and to help me with this description I will base myself upon an aerial photograph from the Sun Newspaper dated the 16th May, which we do not have here today, but which is not important. The resort is a closed holiday complex with apartments and some villas. This takes us to the next question which is, how did you appear on the scene. "My wife booked the holidays in the MW resort in Praia da Luz, from Saturday 28th April to Saturday 5th May, at Going Places in Welwyn Garden City." You go on to describe your previous holidays and that you chose this one because you were told that the "baby sitter" service was available. You arrived at the resort on Saturday morning, pardon on Saturday at approximately two in the afternoon and were accompanied to your apartment, FP02 Ocean Club.
At about 4.15 on the same day you went to a crèche meeting where you wee told who the crèche workers who would look after your children were and that your children would be in different groups given the difference in age. I**** was in the group for children between three and four years old, her crèche worker was Emma and it was only after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that I realised that she was in the same group as I****. That night C****, F****, I**** and I went to the Millenium Restaurant, we did not see any of the other MW tourists there and I remember that I did not see any of the other people I mentioned in my statement there. On Sunday the 29th April C**** and I participated in a coffee morning of the MW tennis group where I met Gerry, Kate, J****, C****, R****, A***, G***, A***'s sister and A***, there were other tourists there whose names now escape me. In total there were approximately some sixteen people at this coffee morning and tennis was one of the activities that the man, or that both subscribed to during the week. I am summarising a bit, because.....


SC: Okay, that's fine..

DCF: I first played tennis with Kate and G***n, there was another lady whose name I can't remember and afterwards I played with Kate and G**** against Gerry and naturally after the game I spoke to Gerry and Kate as well as to the other people present. I think that this is just a setting of the scene.

SC: Yes, OK.

DCF: In this way I got to know Gerry and Kate and spoke with them as I did with other people.

SC: Yes.
.
DCF: And during my stay I would greet them when I met them. Later we pass to your activities during the week, do you remember if there was anything relevant in their activities during this week'

SC: Humm, anything relevant, not really....hummmm... it was normal, possibly after having left and now knowing where Murat was in relation to us, because i don't know whether they showed you the proximity between us.

DCF: No.

SC: Let me show you some things about that, humm....let's see, because...hummm, our apartment was not near to there.

DCF: Mmm mmm.

SC: Here was the club where Gerry was, behind Murat's garden and here we were probably the people closest to Murat.

DCF: Thats true, I see.

SC: The bushes were all around here, we were far away from the rest, it was all open, and this is why I think (inaudible) you know, this is the idea that, humm...I think of when i mentioned in the interrogation that there was a laundry outlet where other things were kept.

DCF: Mmm, yes.

SC: But humm, nothing strange that someone wouldn't do during their holidays, the only thing is thinking about our proximity to Murat's property.

DCF: Yes, I understand, much of this is in the....

SC: Background.

DCF: Yes. When I went to the Tapas Bar and was seen there, talking on the Thurday 3rd May we analysed this in more detail because it was obviously more relevant. "The second time I entered the Tapas Bar was on Thursday 3rd May" which ended up being the day that Madeleine disappeared.

.
SC: Ah ha.

DCF: We arrived at about seven because we had the children with us and I saw a man sitting at the table next to us with three children.

SC: Yes
.
DCF: He was going to take a plane the next day to Switzerland, given that the children's mother lived there, I had never seen him before that night, but he ended up joining us for a coffee, he was a MW tourist. Another couple whose names I do not remember, sat at the table opposite us. A man was sitting on the esplanade having a drink whilst waiting for a take away, I spoke to them briefly, I hadn't realised that the Tapas bar had a take away service. At that time i didn't know their names. At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them, we spoke of tennis amongst other things, I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals (inaudible), I think it was to check on the children , but I do not remember with what frequency or how many times the people left the table to check on the children. We did not talk about the system for checking the children or the fact that they had left them alone in the apartment, it was only later upon hearing the news that I realised that they had left the children alone in the apartment and that they were regularly checking to see if they were all right. Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home, we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance". OK, before going on the next part, do you remember at what time you left'

SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn't see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing "Madeleine, Madeleine" and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.

DCF: Yes, and where you state that it was on GMTV.

SC:: Yes..

DCF: I think that it was reported that it was a three year old child and probably thought who could it be and knew that Kate and Gerry were from Leicestershire and assumed that it was one of their children seeing that they had small children'

SC: Ah.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:38:PM
Charlotte Carpenters witness statement is markedly absent from the PJ files...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:40:PM
Charlotte Carpenters witness statement is markedly absent from the PJ files...

Is this because she is considered to be the whistle blower?

She knew about the missing child some 40 minutes before Kate McCann raised the alarm by going to apartment 5a at 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:44:PM
If true, how could Charlotte Carpenter and her husband Steven Carpenter  have known that Madeleine McCann would be reported 'taken' by 9.20pm, if the alarm hadn't been raised 'til at least 40 minute's afterwards?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:48:PM
If true, how could Charlotte Carpenter and her husband Steven Carpenter  have known that Madeleine McCann would be reported 'taken' by 9.20pm, if the alarm hadn't been raised 'til at least 40 minute's afterwards?

My gut feeling is because Madeleine McCann died on a date prior to 3rd May 2007, and that the Carpenters were privy to this information! Either that or they gleaned such information, by eavesdropping the conversations of other members of the so-called tapas nine group..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:50:PM
Were the Carpenters, additional (Silent) members of the tapas group?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:52:PM
Were the Carpenters, additional (Silent) members of the tapas group?

Should we include Robert Murat, Sergei Malinka, and Clement Frued to this list?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:54:PM
Were the Carpenters, additional (Silent) members of the tapas group?

If so, was Charlotte Carpenter the whistleblower - hence why her witness statement has been kept under wraps?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 04, 2019, 05:57:PM
Three couples sat at a table - Gerry and Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield and Rachael MAMPILLY...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 04, 2019, 08:37:PM
I also have good reason to believe that the Jane Tanner / Russell O'Brien child was used as Madeleine McCanns substitute in the days leading up to the 3rd May 2007 when it was decided to declare that Madeleine had been taken...

Care should be taken in trying to establish beyond belief the whereabouts of the Tanner / O'Brien child on all occasions after the 29th April 2007, by comparing this feature against the alleged whereabouts of Madeleine McCann throughout the entire period 29th April to evening of 3rd May 2007...

Seems to me to there being a somewhat obvious link between the roles played by Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

The timed checks of the various apartments, and the length of time when one party or another was either away from the tapas bar checking apartments, or as the case may be, whether or not, and if when they were supposedly present at the tapas restaurant bar leaves a lot to be desired..
But Jane Tanner's sighting of the man with gold-coloured trousers and dark jacket was corroborated by an Irish tourist, though both were 45 minutes apart and the man didn't seem to have made much headway travel-wise in the interim. Was he having second thoughts about the abduction (the tourist said he didn't look comfortable carrying the child) or was this sighting not Madeleine at all, even though both sightings mentioned her light-coloured pyjamas, which Madeleine would have been wearing. Goncalo Amaral claims Madeleine died in the apartment, so was this a dead body this man was carrying? Surely there would have been some forensic traces had he sexually assaulted her in the apartment and wouldn't it have been more likely that he'd have left her body there if so?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 05, 2019, 10:38:AM
But Jane Tanner's sighting of the man with gold-coloured trousers I don't believe Jane Tanner saw anybody carrying a child. She made the story up - probably to lend support to the narrative that Madeleine had been abducted that evening from the McCann apartment.. and dark jacket was corroborated by an Irish tourist, I don't think the Smith sighting is linked at all to the Jane Tanner sighting. Smith sighting was a genuine sighting, the Tanner one a made up one.. though both were 45 minutes apart and the man didn't seem to have made much headway travel-wise in the interim. Tanner knew there was a night crèche up the road which ran parallel to the roadside front doors and car parks of apartment blocks 5, 4 and 3. She knew that this service operated between around 7pm until around 11pm, and that at some point or other, a parent, or parents would be attending the night crèche to collect their children, or a child...Was he having second thoughts about the abduction (the tourist said he didn't look comfortable carrying the child) I believe the Smith contingent saw Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine McCanns body. The sighting was only a matter of a few metres from the premises of LUZDOC. Unfortunately, the service was not open at that time of night, but plastered on either the window or door was a notice giving telephone details to use for out of hours emergencies.. or was this sighting not Madeleine at all, it was Gerry and Madeleine.. even though both sightings mentioned her light-coloured pyjamas, which Madeleine would have been wearing. interestingly enough, the child seen by the Smith's was wearing pyjamas similar to those worn by Madeleine when she was supposedly put to bed. I am mindful of the fact that although the parents claim that Madeleine was taken wearing her pink pyjamas, I am also mindful that the parents held up a pair of pyjamas similar to ones worn by Maddie, claiming the pyjamas in question belonged to one of the other younger children - but the ones they displayed would have been miles too big for that suggestion to have been true! I think the parents displayed Madeleine's pyjamas, which Gerry McCann removed prior to disposing of her body. This would account for the child who was being carried by McCann to be wearing the same pyjamas at that stage. As I say, McCann removed the pyjamas later..Goncalo Amaral claims Madeleine died in the apartment, Everything points to Maddie having died in the apartment..so was this a dead body this man was carrying? Yes, but I think only very recently deceased. I think that she may have actually been found dead when Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien did their 9pm checks. I believe that on evening 2nd / morning of 3rd May 2007 Madeleine was suffering from the effects of a drug overdose, administered on the evening of 2nd May 2007, as a result of the crying episode witnessed by Mrs Fenn on the previous evening (evening 1st / morning of 2nd May 2007). Hence why on that last day of Maddie's existence on this earth the McCanns and their siblings ate in apartment 5A, and why Kate made sure she mentioned how shattered and tired Madeleine had been on that last day. I think Maddie may have still been alive but subdued from the side effects of whatever drug the parents had induced on the previous evening (2nd May 2007)... Surely there would have been some forensic traces had he sexually assaulted her in the apartment I don't believe that she was abducted by any paedophile or sex offender , slave trade vendor, or whatever (although I do believe that Madeleine could well have been the victim of sex abuse within the family, or at the mercy of friends of the McCann parents!and wouldn't it have been more likely that he'd have left her body there if so? Madeleine's body was removed from the apartment within 45 minutes or so of it being discovered that she had died. This realisation almost certainly occurred or was known about by 9.15 - 9.20pm, which coincided with the delayed return of Gerry McCann from his 9pm, or thereabouts, check of his apartment, followed shortly afterwards by the return of Russell O'Brien...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 05, 2019, 11:02:AM
At the heart of this murder mystery case, are two couples, and their children - the McCanns (Gerry and Kate), and Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner...

Also, some medication which was captured in a crime scene photograph (FOTO no. 18 in PJ files) taken by the police soon after their arrival at the crime scene. Tablets were laid out on a worktop, showing signs that many of the contents had already been dispensed with, or used...

I don't think it's just a coincidence that Madeleine died from a drug overdose, and that on the very same evening that Madeleine had died (3rd May 2007), that one of the children belonging to Russell O'Brien / Jane Tanner was crying and vommitting which necessitated that one or other parent in both the McCann and O'Brien / Tanner households were busy tooing and frowing between the tapas bar and their respective apartments. I am also mindful, that according to O'Brien and Tanner's narratives that Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner had both been unwell themselves on days previously suffering with the same symptoms as their daughter. I believe that the symptoms shared by all parties at different stages (including Madeleine McCann) were effected by the same drug induced medication. The purchaser of which was ultimately responsible for Madeleine McCanns death...

Gerry McCann
Kate McCann
Russell O'Brien
Jane Tanner

One of these four people either obtained or purchased the drugs in the form of tablets which was responsible for the making poorly of two adults and two little girls. Sadly, Madeleine didn't survive but O'Brien / Tanner and their little girl did..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 05, 2019, 07:15:PM
By 9.15 - 9.20pm on evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, a couple believed to have been Steven and Charlotte Carpenter already knew that Madeleine McCann was going to be reported missing, some 40 / 45 minutes before Kate McCann officially alerted that Madeleine had been taken (10pm). An Ocean club executive overheard the couple openly speaking about it 10 / 15 minutes before the illusionary 9.30pm check of apartment 5a, by either Kate McCann, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, or Jane Tanner...

How could this have been possible!

A barman told the PJ in a witness statement that by 9.30 - 9.45pm, the table where three couples had been sitting eating dinner earlier was completely abandoned, and the only things still present were articles and items of clothing belonging to members of the group by that stage. Another employee confirms that at 9.45pm, there was only Diane Webster sitting at the table, everybody else had scattered and presumably returned to their respective apartments, or as the case may be were all either outside or inside apartment 5A..

So, how could Kate McCann have left the tapas restaurant at 10pm, if she had already left the tapas bar some 15 minutes or so earlier? How could Kate have discovered Madeleine has having been taken after she arrived there after 10pm, and return back to the tapas bar afterwards to inform everyone that Madeleine had been taken? There was only Diane Webster at the table in the tapas restaurant after 9.45pm, onward...

The discovery by Kate McCann of Madeleine supposedly having been taken when she returned to apartment 5a at 10pm stands shattered, she didn't hear the bedroom door slam, or the curtains at the window 'Whoosh' open, and she didn't see the bedroom window slid open, or the metal shutter on the outside of the same window raised, or check everywhere inside the apartment looking for Madeleine before dashing back to the tapas bar to raise the alarm, because the couple who were sat at a table on the concourse of the tapas bar at 9.15 - 9.20pm had already been alerted to Maddie having gone, or going to be reported as missing...

That couple, were almost certainly Charlotte and Steven Carpenter, who by their own account left the tapas bar that evening between 9.15 - 9.30pm to go back to their apartment, and during which time Mrs Carpenter recalled how she overheard someone calling out the name, ' Madeleine, Madeliene'..

It doesn't take a great leap of faith by anyone to try and work out who had been calling out Madeleine's name, just as the Carpenter couple were crossing the street yards away from the patio door of 5a on the poolside of the premises...

First things first, trying to establish a reliable timeline, into which and by what means the Carpenter couple knew about Madeleine McCann going missing by 9.15 - 9.20pm, them leaving the tapas bar, and once a decision can be reached as to the actual time they left the tapas bar, which of the so called tapas 9 group had been absent from the tapas bar when the Carpenters left, and Charlotte Carpenter heard the person calling out Madeleine's name as she and her husband crossed the street..

If we set the time at 9.15pm when the Ocean Club Executive overheard the couple openly talking about Maddie having gone missing, and we say that the Carpenters left the tapas bar at about 9.20pm., there were only two possible suspects who on their own accounts were both absent from the tapas bar at the time Charlotte Carpenter was crossing the street and she heard a voice, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...

We do not know whether the voice which was calling out Madeleine's name, was a male, or a female voice (but I presume Mrs Carpenter knows)..

Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were the only two people absent from the tapas bar when the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar to go back to their apartment! Prior to this, only Gerry McCann had been back to his apartment (5a), returning to the tapas bar by 9.15pm, or thereabouts, opening it up for he being the source of the information that Madeleine had gone missing, or that she was going to be reported missing shortly..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 05, 2019, 09:51:PM
Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were the only two people absent from the tapas bar when the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar to go back to their apartment! Prior to this, only Gerry McCann had been back to his apartment (5a), returning to the tapas bar by 9.15pm, or thereabouts, opening it up for he being the source of the information that Madeleine had gone missing, or that she was going to be reported missing shortly..

It appears to me, that the Carpenters chose to make themselves scarce from the tapas bar once they found out what was about to go down concerning the reported disappearance of the McCanns little girl. So they left the tapas bar and decided to go back to their apartment which just so happens to be virtually next door to the Murat villa...

If we work on the assumption that the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar at say 9.20pm, we can then work on the further assumption that within 10 minutes of the Carpenter couple leaving the tapas bar, the rest of the so called tapas 9 group ( with the exception of Diane Webster) had all departed together heading back to the apartment block (5)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 05, 2019, 10:04:PM
With this in mind, by 9.30pm there was no-one present at the restaurant table at the tapas bar to enable the narrative concerning who was going to check on the McCann kids, or not..

For example, Kate couldn't have said that she was going to check her own apartment at about 9.30pm. Likewise, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield couldn't have persuaded her that they would do her check for her - because at 9.30pm there were no longer any couples at the restaurant table.

In any event off go Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield to do the impossible 9.30pm apartment checks, including the checking of apartment 5A (the McCann apartment)..

In the official narrative, no mention at or after 9.30pm of anyone else leaving the tapas restaurant and bar, and yet almost instantaneously everyone vanishes miraculously, leaving the dining table unoccupied except for articles of personal clothing, and Diane Webster..

With this in mind, where did or could have Gerry McCann, Kate McCann and Jane Tanner have all disappeared to, since if they were no longer sat around the dining table in the tapas bar restaurant from 9.30pm onwards, where else could they all have disappeared to?

And for what reason?

We know that it was not until after 10pm that Madeleine was officially reported as missing, but that the Carpenter couple knew about it some 40 to 45 minutes beforehand (9.15pm)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 02:55:AM

We know that it was not until after 10pm that Madeleine was officially reported as missing, but that the Carpenter couple knew about it some 40 to 45 minutes beforehand (9.15pm)..

This is a glaring inconsistency in the official narrative relied upon by team McCann and it's supporters...

The alert regarding when it was first known that Madeleine McCann was missing and or presumed taken has been deliberately displaced by a period of at least 40 minutes or so, from it already being to / in the knowledge of the Carpenter Couple from as early as 9.15pm to the stage where Kate McCanns alert was given shortly after 10pm that same evening. This contradiction involving when it was first known that Madeleine was missing, or would be reported as missing, is matched by the fact that sometime between 9.30 - 9.45pm, the table where the group had been enjoying dinner was vacant except for clothing belonging to some of the three couples who earlier up until about or around 9.30pm had been sitting there, and Diane Webster - undermining the integrity of almost all of the tapas group members accounts regarding checks made of apartments, including the McCann apartment (5a), at 9.30 and 10pm, respectively. These key inconsistencies expose the narrative regarding when group members were going to, and / or, who did carry out checks of the apartment 5a, and the alleged events and circumstances following on from such fictitious events, as fabricated information. Team McCanns storyline between 9.15 and 10pm is therefore exposed as a faked narrative which has been introduced dishonestly in an attempt to cover up the true circumstances surrounding the death inside apartment 5a of Madeleine McCann which came about because of the involvement / interaction of at least four members of the group being responsible in her death, due to drug misuse and eventual overdose, which came to a head inside apartment 5a long before Kate McCann alerted that Madeleine had been taken. Prior to that point, the McCanns were happy to monitor  the symptoms displayed by Madeleine throughout 3rd May 2007,  who had been vommitting and showing distressing signs of fatigue, or even unconsciousness brought on by medication admitted in an attempt to control her behaviour whilst her parents went out enjoying themselves on the previous evening (2nd May 2007)...

Medication administered in time to enable the parents to go out to dinner on evening 2nd May 2007, given to prevent a reoccurrence of the prolonged crying episode by Madeleine McCann on the previous evening (1st May 2007) as witnessed by Mrs Fenn..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 03:45:AM
Interestingly enough, During my research into the PJ files, I discovered that at least one member of the so called tapas 9 group made a witness statement to PJ police that the metal shutters on the outside of the sliding patio door of apartment 5A (on the poolside of the premises) were in the down position on the evening when Madeleine died in apartment 5a on evening 3rd May 2007)...

Moreover, according to one member of the group, it had been common knowledge that the McCanns always set the shutter in its downward position with the sliding patio door behind it unlocked so that the McCanns or anyone checking on the children could access the apartment without the need to possess a key - however, funny how neither Gerry or Kate McCann never mentioned anything about the routine of setting the shutters behind which was an unlocked sliding patio door!

No mention of the shutter being so set when the McCanns went out to dinner at about 8.30pm that fateful evening of 3rd May 2007..

No mention of the shutter to the sliding patio being raised or reset in its downward position at the time of Gerry McCanns 9pm check of 5a...

Similarly, no mention by Russell O'Brien / Mathew Oldfield, of the shutter to the sliding patio door being down in front of the unlocked patio door when they allegedly did the fictitious 9.30pm check of apartment at on behalf of the McCann parents. No mention of them raising it, entering the premises, leaving the apartment and resetting the shutter as they had found it..

And, then there is the question of how did Kate McCann enter apartment 5a at the time of her imaginary check at 10pm, did she enter apartment 5a via the roadside door, or the sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises? If she had entered via the sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises why doesn't she mention whether or not the metal shutter to the patio door was set in the same position the parents had left it when they had gone to dinner at 8.30pm earlier in the evening?

The shutters at the sliding patio door of apartment 5a suddenly taking on significance in relation to them being set by the parents when they had gone out to dinner at 8.30pm, whether or not Gerry McCann disturbed these shutters and subsequently reset them upon leaving apartment 5a during his 9pm check...

And then there is the rather bizzarre account given by Russell O'Brien, to the effect that on his way back to the tapas bar following on from his own 9pm check of his own apartment, how he listened at the lowered shutter of apartment 5a (living accommodation of the McCann family) before being satisfied that because he could not hear any noise coming from within he returned to the tapas bar to inform Kate and Gerry McCann that everything was in order back at their apartment - which shutter, on which side of the building did Russell O'Brien place an ear against? The shutter at the bedroom window on the roadside of apartment 5a, or the shutter at the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment?

If, as Russell O'Brien contends that all was well within apartment 5a at the time he says he checked it on his way back to the tapas bar (just before 9.30pm), it begs consideration that if the voice which Charlotte Carpenter had heard calling out the name, ' Madeleine, Madeliene', had been O'Briens voice then why would O'Brien tell the McCann parents that all was well back at their apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 04:04:AM
If, as Russell O'Brien contends that all was well within apartment 5a at the time he says he checked it on his way back to the tapas bar (just before 9.30pm), it begs consideration that if the voice which Charlotte Carpenter had heard calling out the name, ' Madeleine, Madeliene', had been O'Briens voice then why would O'Brien tell the McCann parents that all was well back at their apartment?

Something of great significance occurred in the tapas bar at around the time that Russell O'Brien returned there from his 9pm check of his own apartment, and the McCann apartment which caused almost all the group abandoning their dining table and rushing back toward apartment 5a...

The suggestion that the voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard calling out, ' Madeleine, Madeleine' was almost certainly the voice of Russell O'Brien responding to something involving Madeleine McCanns sudden and unexpected demise. He didn't return back at the tapas bar until after the Carpenters had already left. Everything points to he having been the catalyst which caused everyone with the exception of Diane Webster, to leave personal belongings at the table they had been dining at, and fleeing off in the direction of 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 05:45:AM

The suggestion that the voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard calling out, ' Madeleine, Madeleine' was almost certainly the voice of Russell O'Brien responding to something involving Madeleine McCanns sudden and unexpected demise. He didn't return back at the tapas bar until after the Carpenters had already left. Everything points to he having been the catalyst which caused everyone with the exception of Diane Webster, to leave personal belongings at the table they had been dining at, and fleeing off in the direction of 5a...

I believe I am right in saying that Madeleine was suffering from drug overdose which had been administered to her prior to the parents going out to dinner with Russell O'Brien, Jayne Tanner, and the others, on the evening of 2nd May 2007. I believe that she did not actually die in apartment 5a until around 9pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. This fits in snugly with Gerry McCann being the man who was carrying off Madeleine McCanns body as seen at about 9.50pm by the Smith contingent. McCann knew that people in that contingeny had seen him, hence why the timeline of when who discovered Madeleine 'gone', and how the taking was alerted to, was moved from around 9pm or shortly afterwards, by either Gerry McCann or Russell O'Brien, to 10pm or shortly afterwards by Kate McCann...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 06:05:AM
Rigor mortis would not have set in on the body of Madeleine so soon after she 'had' died inside apartment 5a, shortly before Gerry McCann carried off her body in his arms. Being a medical practitioner, he knew the importance of the core body temperature of anyone deceased falling or rising to the ambient temperature of the surroundings in which the body was found or discovered in, and that this occurs within about 10 hours after death if the body has remained untouched or unmoved throughout that period..

In the circumstances of how Madeleine had died, albeit that she had died within 35 minutes or so of the Smith sighting of McCann carrying off her body, the parents knew that if they had left Madeleine's body in apartment 5a that there would need to be an autopsy to try and determine the cause of death and that any drugs which the parents or friends of theirs had been responsible for supplying and or administering to Madeleine would be established with devastating consequences..

So, move the body from the apartment, take it to some remote location, somewhere where the body had the opportunity over a 10 hour period or longer to match the ambient temperature of those surrounds. The fact that the parents and friends had presented Madeleine's absence from apartment 5a as 'taken' by some unknown abductor by 10pm or sooner on 3rd May 2007, would come into play whenever, and if her body wasn't found until after 8am on Friday 4th May 2007. By that stage, the core body temperature of the corpse would have adjusted naturally to the ambient temperature of the surroundings in / at which the corpse might be found in...

Detection of drugs in her system during autopsy taking on a new meaning and purpose because it could be argued that the would be abductor could have drugged Madeleine to facilitate the taking of her from apartment 5A on the previous evening..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 06:13:AM

Detection of drugs in her system during autopsy taking on a new meaning and purpose because it could be argued that the would be abductor could have drugged Madeleine to facilitate the taking of her from apartment 5A on the previous evening..

Team McCann introduced faked details of a supposedly extended practice of apartment checking beyond the actual time when Madeleine had died inside apartment 5a, accompanied by the introduction of the sighting of 'TANNERMAN' by Jayne Tanner, rather coincidentally occurring at roughly the exact time that Madeleine McCann had died (around 9.15pm) inside apartment 5a..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 06:17:AM
Surely no abductor would carry off a deceased child in their arms, paving the way for it to be suggested by team McCann that Madeleine had not died inside apartment 5a, but rather that she was abducted by a sex offender / peadophile / child trafficker, etc, and that she had been abducted at the precise moment she had actually died inside apartment 5a...

Forget 'TANNERMAN' which was a deliberate fabrication...

Concentrate on the Smith contingency sighting at about 9.50pm that Thursday evening...

Gerry McCann was not still sitting at a table at the tapas bar any time after 9.30pm that same evening. Nobody else was either, except for Diane Webster. He wasn't there at the tapas bar at any stage between 9.30 - 10pm that evening, none of them were except Diane Webster. The fabrication of McCanns presence at the tapas bar table had been continuous throughout the period 9.30 - 10pm, right up until after Kate's 10pm alert that Madeleine had been 'taken' that she was 'gone' introduced to give Gerry McCann a false alibi, making it appear unlikely that he could have had anything whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 06:40:AM
Basically put - if team McCanns narrative concerning the whereabouts or activities of Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Rachel    , Russell O'Brien, and Jayne Tanner (between 9.30 - 10pm) is / are true, or believable, it paves the way for the introduction of an unknown abductor having taken Madeleine from her bed inside apartment 5a...

On the other hand..

If team McCanns narrative is a complete fabrication, then the abductor element has to be totally rejected. It would lead to the inevitable conclusion that the McCann parents and others (if not all their identified friends within the so called tapas 9 group) have all conspired to pervert the course of Justice with the specific intention to cover up the true circumstances surrounding the death of Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 11:41:AM
If the alleged events involving the McCann parents and friends between 9.30pm and 10pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 is / was part of an elaborate plot to create false alibi's for each other, then of course, it will cast them all as the villains in this matter...

It would mean that the Portuguese police got it right from the beginning, namely that the crime scene from where Madeleine McCann went missing was staged by the parents and their friends for the purpose of trying to cover up the involvement of two or more of them in the death of Madeleine! It leads to the inevitable conclusion that they also concealed the body and disposed of it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 07:31:PM
More disturbingly, is the fact that by the morning of Friday, 4th May 2007, that Kate McCann had severe bruising on the lower part of her right arm /wrist...

No explanation has been forthcoming about how such bruises and marks were made...

However, I believe that these injuries related to the fact that she responded violently to the loss of Madeleine's life, she took her guilt trip further by packing her job in as a GP in Leicester, because of the immense build up of guilt over the actual death of Madeleine...

Her knowledge, training and expertise as a GP failed to prevent the death of her eldest sibling (Madeleine)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 06, 2019, 07:35:PM
In the light of what is now known, it is in the best interests of the McCann parents to finally admit to the true circumstances surrounding the death of Madeleine McCann..

Stop trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, Madeleine died in apartment 5a at around 9.15pm on 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 07, 2019, 12:56:PM
It seems so obvious now that I have had plenty of time without other distractions, that (a) the official alert introduced by Kate McCaan shortly after 10pm, was shifted from 9.15pm, to provide the parents with false alibi's. Gerry McCann in particular, because he was the person carrying off Madeleine's body as seen by members of the Smith family at 9.50pm, and (b) despite the displacement of the alert from 9.15pm - 9.28pm, to after 10pm,.

The general time of her death, as I say believed by myself to have been 'suspected as imminent' by Gerry McCann at 9.15pm, and ' a confirmed death' by 9.28pm when Russell O'Brien returned to the tapas bar to deliver the bad news - hence why the claim that the 9.30pm (O'Brien and Oldfield) and the last 10pm check (Kate McCann) are so dodgy!

I do not believe that she died as a result of an accident, since I don't think anyone can say that any death involving a drug overdose can be referred to as an accident! Especially when the victim is a 3 / 4 year old little girl like Madeleine McCann..

I get the distinct feeling that Madeleine was still barely alive at the time the parents left for their evening meal at the tapas restaurant by 8.30pm. I believe Kate McCann when she says that Madeleine was very tired, exhausted and worn out, not because she had had one of the best activity days of her short life. But rather because these were symptoms of the medication that the parents had administered to Madeleine on the previous evening, so as not to have another repeat of her wakening up without either parent being present, and all the crying that accompanied that experience associated with / to the home alone event witnessed by Mrs Fenn on the evening 1st May 2007. It also seems somewhat obvious to me, that the twin siblings Sean and Amelia may have been given lower dosages of the same medication on consecutive evenings, 2nd and 3rd May 2007, hence why despite all the commotion surrounding the alleged disappearance of Madeleine from her bed, and all the disruption accompanying it, the twin siblings slept through all of it, as if they had been drugged..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 07, 2019, 01:14:PM
I get the distinct feeling that Madeleine was still barely alive at the time the parents left for their evening meal at the tapas restaurant by 8.30pm. I believe Kate McCann when she says that Madeleine was very tired, exhausted and worn out, not because she had had one of the best activity days of her short life. But rather because these were symptoms of the medication that the parents had administered to Madeleine on the previous evening, so as not to have another repeat of her wakening up without either parent being present, and all the crying that accompanied that experience associated with / to the home alone event witnessed by Mrs Fenn on the evening 1st May 2007. It also seems somewhat obvious to me, that the twin siblings Sean and Amelia may have been given lower dosages of the same medication on consecutive evenings, 2nd and 3rd May 2007, hence why despite all the commotion surrounding the alleged disappearance of Madeleine from her bed, and all the disruption accompanying it, the twin siblings slept through all of it, as if they had been drugged..

I have a gut feeling that Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner administered the exact same medication to their daughter, and that the episode of vommitting referred to by Tanner and O'Brien involving their own daughter on evening of 3rd May 2007, was simply a repetition of the symptoms which Madeleine had displayed after the initial administering of it to her by her parents on evening 2nd May 2007. Remember also the fact that on the morning of 3rd May 2007, that Kate McCann had to wash Madeleine's pink pyjama set presumably because Madeleine had vommitted all over it potentially for the exact same reason that the O'Brien / Tanner child did that same evening of 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 07, 2019, 01:30:PM
If true, little wonder then that Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien's family are tangled up in the fabricated abduction case, alongside the McCann parents...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2019, 07:22:AM
With regard to the Smith contingency sighting of Gerry McCann seen carrying off the body of Madeleine McCann at 9.50pm. I have the following observation to make...

Madeleine can't have been deceased very long beforehand, otherwise rigor mortis would have set in 4 hours or more after she had died...

As far as I am concerned, this rules out any possibility that Madeleine had died on any other occasion prior to 9pm on the 3rd May 2007. Unless, the McCanns had placed Madeleine's body into a bath filled with hot or warm water.

This tactic is well known about to serial killers. For example, once a corpse has been dead for 10 hours or thereabouts, or as the case may be, over a longer period of time,  the inner core body temperature of a corpse will automatically set / coincide with the ambient temperature of the surroundings in which the cadaver is / was persistently or continually placed, or found in...

However, this would have required either both, or one or other of the McCann parents, or any accomplice(s) to regularly empty the hot water in the bath and very quickly refill or top up the bath with piping hot water...

Nevertheless,  the consequences of such action(s) although capable of offsetting the condition of rigor mortis, would not prevent other conditions associated with the death procedure, or process...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2019, 07:35:AM
With regard to the Smith contingency sighting of Gerry McCann seen carrying off the body of Madeleine McCann at 9.50pm. I have the following observation to make...

Madeleine can't have been deceased very long beforehand, otherwise rigor mortis would have set in 4 hours or more after she had died...

As far as I am concerned, this rules out any possibility that Madeleine had died on any other occasion prior to 9pm on the 3rd May 2007. Unless, the McCanns had placed Madeleine's body into a bath filled with hot or warm water.

This tactic is well known about to serial killers. For example, once a corpse has been dead for 10 hours or thereabouts, or as the case may be, over a longer period of time,  the inner core body temperature of a corpse will automatically set / coincide with the ambient temperature of the surroundings in which the cadaver is / was persistently or continually placed, or found in...

However, this would have required either both, or one or other of the McCann parents, or any accomplice(s) to regularly empty the hot water in the bath and very quickly refill or top up the bath with piping hot water...

Nevertheless,  the consequences of such action(s) although capable of offsetting the condition of rigor mortis, would not prevent other conditions associated with the death procedure, or process...

Dealing with the question of the timing and onset of rigor mortis in the body of a corpse, and the way in which the inner core body temperature is known to function in the death process, and how anyone in the know, could manipulate such factors, to attempt to fool a pathologist ect, regarding the timing of death, simply by adopting this course of action would not prevent the onset of  other conditions associated with the death process...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2019, 07:44:AM
Dealing with the question of the timing and onset of rigor mortis in the body of a corpse, and the way in which the inner core body temperature is known to function in the death process, and how anyone in the know, could manipulate such factors, to attempt to fool a pathologist ect, regarding the timing of death, simply by adopting this course of action would not prevent the onset of  other conditions associated with the death process...

For example, the mottling of the cadavers flesh, and  the discolouring of the cadavers skin - since, once the cadaver was placed in the bath of warm or hot water, if surficient time had already not elapsed, the blood inside a corpse would always, or eventually settle at the lowest part of a body - to overcome this problem the cadaver would need to be placed in a bath of warm / hot water soon after death had occurred, otherwise, the blood would have already settled at the lowest points at various parts of the body signifying whether or not the body has been moved and deliberately staged in some other location..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 08, 2019, 07:48:AM
The submerging of a cadaver in a bath tub of warm / hot water is a technique which is capable of distorting the inner body core temperature, and the onset of rigor mortis, but adopting such a tactic does not overcome the other known about processes in the death procedure..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2019, 09:48:PM
The submerging of a cadaver in a bath tub of warm / hot water is a technique which is capable of distorting the inner body core temperature, and the onset of rigor mortis, but adopting such a tactic does not overcome the other known about processes in the death procedure..

Hypostasis...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2019, 09:50:PM
Hypostasis...

Motling of the flesh?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2019, 09:54:PM
An opportunity for a misinterpretation,, and a deception!.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 09, 2019, 10:02:PM
Opening the possibility for a display of the time as to the alleged timing of knowlege of the alleged facts, which supposedly highlight such inconsistencies, leaves a lot to be be desired..


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 08:54:AM
Just to recap, Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien leave tapas bar at 9pm to go to their apartment, or end up together at the McCann apartment concerned about the deterioration in Madeleine McCanns condition. A condition which came about through the administering of some medication to her on the evening of 2nd May 1987 in order to prevent a repeat of the prolonged crying episode which occurred on the evening 1st May 2007 (as witnessed by Mrs Fenn). As a result of Madeleine having been sedated the McCann parents went out to dine at tapas restaurant and returning to their apartment only to find that Madeleine had been sick all over her pink coloured pyjama set. Kate McCann washed these on the morning of 3rd May 2007. Later that day the McCann kids were sedated with the same medicine that had been administered to Madeleine on the previous evening (2nd), only a much lower dosage was given to Sean and Amelia because of the age difference between them and Madeleine. Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner medicated their own daughter using the same medication used on the McCann children, albeit it looks odds on the they didn't medicate their daughter on any earlier occasion, for example, not on the Evening of the 2nd May 2007, whereas, Madeleine McCann had been. The symptoms of sickness which applied to the O'Brien / Tanner daughter which flared up on the evening of 3rd May 2007, was a replication of what had flared up involving Madeleine McCann on the previous evening (2nd May 2007). It seems like that both children experienced the same symptoms one evening apart to one another. By the evening of 3rd May 2007, Madeleine may have been given her second lot of her medication, whereas the other two McCann siblings were given a low dosage of the same medication. Similarly, the O'Brien / Tanner daughter who was of similar age to Madeleine McCann, may have been given the same dosage as her.

This would help to explain why the McCann siblings (Sean and Amelia) slept soundly through all the drama which unfolded inside apartment 5a that evening...

McCann returned to the tapas bar from his 9pm apartment 5a visit just before 9.15pm. linked to this in the official narrative is the fact that Russell O'Brien had also left the tapas bar to do an apartment check, but he did not return to the tapas bar until just before 9.30pm. After McCann and O'Brien had left the tapas bar at 9pm, we then had Jane Tanner leaving the tapas bar at about 9.10pm, at which time she claims to see Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins talking together in the street. Although neither McCann or Wilkins saw Jane Tanner pass them by in the same street. Tanner walks past McCann and Wilkins without saying hello, or acknowledging one another. The street in which all of this was going on is narrow, and I have walked it many times, and I have to say it would be impossible for you, I or they to not be aware or see someone else in the street at the same time as you. Tanner gets beyond McCann and Wilkins and she then sees a man carrying a child in his arms across the 'T' junction at the top of the street - this person became known as 'TANNERMAN'. Jane Tanner then claims she went to her own apartment. Now, what is interesting is that Jane Tanner claims that the only reason she left the tapas bar at 9.10pm was because she had growing concerns about the length of time that Gerry McCann had been away conducting his 9pm check! She appears not to have been concerned that her own partner Russell O'Brien had left the tapas bar at the same time that Gerry McCann did (9pm). This suggests that the real reason McCann and O'Brien had left the tapas bar together at 9pm, had been for an ulterior motive rather than it have been just to do a general check of their respective apartments. For example, 'concern for Madeleine McCanns Welfare'..

According to Jane Tanner's account, as she leaves the tapas bar restaurant at 9.10pm, she identifies Gerry McCann in the street, followed by the sighting of 'TANNERMAN', and then she goes to her own apartment, where RussellO'Brien is supposed to have been. So, we have Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner back at their apartment soon after the sighting of Gerry McCann talking to Jes Wilkins in the street, and the glimpse she had of 'Tannerman'. After this Gerry McCann returns to the tapas bar around 9.15pm..

Meanwhile an Ocean Club executive arrives to commence duty at the tapas bar at around 9.10pm. He fails to notice anyone in the street, no Gerry McCann, no Jez Wilkins, no Jane Tanner, and no 'TANNERMAN'. No sooner does the executive enter the tapas bar but he becomes aware of a commotion upon which as a result of his enquiry confirms that the commotion involved a couple who were sat at one of the tables and they were talking about the fact that a little girl belonging to an Ocean Club guest had gone missing. He observed and overheard these / this event at around 9.15pm...

How could the couple have known that Madeleine McCann had gone missing, some 45 minutes or more before Kate McCann raised the alarm after 10pm?

Well, by 9.15pm Gerry McCann had already returned to the tapas bar from his 9pm just. Was he delayed in returning to the tapas bar because Madeleine's condition had dramatically worsened, and was this the reason why Russell O'Brien did return to the tapas bar until just before 9.30pm - was O'Brien left at apartment 5a to keep a close eye on Madeleine whilst Gerry McCann returned to the tapas bar to alert Kate and the others concerning Madeleine's demise?

A couple named the Carpenters had been dining at a table in the tapas bar that evening, but left there to return to their own apartment between 9.15 - 9.30pm. As they were crossing the street in close proximity to the McCann apartment (5a), Charlotte Carpenter later recalled that she heard a person calling out the name, 'Madeliene, Madeleine'. Were the Carpenter couple the very same couple observed and overheard talking about a little 3 year old girl who had gone missing belonging to one of the Ocean Club Guests by an executive of the Ocean Club at about 9.15pm? It looks highly likely that the couple at the table on that occasion was the Carpenters..

But, how could they have known that Madeleine had gone missing (9.15pm) some 45 minutes or so prior to Kate McCann doing her 10pm check and she then alerting to everyone that Madeleine had been taken? The answer must lie in the fact that by that stage Gerry McCann had already returned to the tapas bar by 9.15pm. presumably, he had broken the news to Kate and the other couples around their table that Madeleine's condition had dramatically worsened, and that if she died, they would have to arrange to say that she had gone missing! He must have added that he had left Russell O'Brien monitoring Madeleine, adding that if she died within the next few moments they would have to report her missing and get her body out of there, and conceal it somewhere...

If this is what did happen, then not to be forgotten is the fact Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner were both absent from the tapas bar at the timing of these events (9.15pm). Were they both inside their own apartment, or both present in the McCann apartment, or were one or other of them, in their own apartment, or the McCann apartment, Or vice versa? Nevertheless, this becomes important with regard to the time when the Carpenter couple eventually left the tapas bar restaurant between 9.15 - 9.30pm - and which coincided with Charlotte Carpenter hearing a voice calling out the name, 'Madeliene, Madeline'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 08:58:AM
The closer the departure time of the Carpenter couple from the tapas bar to 9.15pm, rather than 9.30pm, may provide a real clue as to how they could have known that the McCann parents were going to report their 3 year old daughter missing long before they could have reported her to be missing!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:06:AM
Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner were away from the tapas restaurant between 9pm - 9.28pm ( in the case of O'Brien), and 9.10pm thereafter (in the case of Tanner), which makes identification of the voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard calling out the name 'Madeliene, Madeleine', really of some importance, because there were only two of the tapas group missing and absent from the tapas bar restaurant whichever time the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar between 9.15pm and 9.28pm. These were Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner..

Was it a 'Male' or a 'Female' voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard someone calling out ' Madeleine, Madeliene', soon after leaving the tapas bar restaurant?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:08:AM

Was it a 'Male' or a 'Female' voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard someone calling out ' Madeleine, Madeliene', soon after leaving the tapas bar restaurant?

Male voice - Russell O'Brien
Female voice - Jane Tanner..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:11:AM
Or..

Did Charlotte Carpenter hear two voices, one male, and the other female, each calling out, the name of 'Madeliene', one following on from the other?

Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, or vice versa?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:17:AM
Or..

Did Charlotte Carpenter hear two voices, one male, and the other female, each calling out, the name of 'Madeliene', one following on from the other?

Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, or vice versa?

Which ever way that you look at it, one thing looks large and with complete certainty, and that is that neither McCann Parent could have found Madeleine taken, not by 9.15pm or shortly after 10pm, because the person or people who did discover Madeliene to have died were in fact Russell O'Brien ( and possibly Jane Tanner). A fact supported by Russell O'Briens coincidental return to the tapas bar restaurant just before 9.30pm, to inform the McCann parents and the others that Madeleine had died back in the apartment...

The overheard name calling ('Madeliene, Madeliene') by Charlotte Carpenter adding the detail around the actual process unfolding in real time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:25:AM
We then come to two further witnesses, one who said that a table where three couples had been sitting was empty of people by 9.30pm to 9.45pm, except for personal items belonging he people who had previously been sitting there! Then there is the other witness who saw that a table which had previously been occupied by three couple had only an elderly lady sat there by 9.45pm (that lady was Diane Webster)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:27:AM
So, on the face of it every member of the tapas nine group were absent from the tapas bar, with the exception of Diane Webster, who was not there at 9.30pm, but who had arrived back there by 9.45pm...

Why had everyone of any significance all disappeared from the tapas bar by 9.30pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:31:AM
So, on the face of it every member of the tapas nine group were absent from the tapas bar, with the exception of Diane Webster, who was not there at 9.30pm, but who had arrived back there by 9.45pm...

Why had everyone of any significance all disappeared from the tapas bar by 9.30pm?

The sudden evacuation of bodies from the tapas bar restaurant to apartment 5a, at about 9.30pm, was almost certainly sparked off by the imminent return of Russell O'Brien to the tapas bar, and he being the bearer of bad tidings - Madeliene was gone, she was dead, her life has been taken...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:36:AM
The official narrative introduced by team McCann that at 9.30pm Kate McCann had got up to go do a check of apartment 5a, only for Mathew Oldfield and Russel O'Brien to step in and volunteer to do the McCann check for them in the 'guise that they were due to do checks at their own apartments is fraudulent..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:41:AM
The official narrative introduced by team McCann that at 9.30pm Kate McCann had got up to go do a check of apartment 5a, only for Mathew Oldfield and Russel O'Brien to step in and volunteer to do the McCann check for them in the 'guise that they were due to do checks at their own apartments is fraudulent..

Russell O'Brien had only just returned to the tapas bar restaurant two minutes or so earlier, and his partner Jane Tanner was already supposed to have been back at their apartment, so why did he need to be going back - he hadn't even had time to eat his dinner which was the supposed purpose of Jane Tanner releaving him from their apartment..

Russell O'Brien was the messenger who brought the bad news that Madeleine was gone (from this world) and that her life had been taken, she was laying dead back in apartment 5a, news which sparked a group exodus from the tapas bar..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:43:AM

Russell O'Brien was the messenger who brought the bad news that Madeleine was gone (from this world) and that her life had been taken, she was laying dead back in apartment 5a, news which sparked a group exodus from the tapas bar..

The time was approximately 9.30pm, Thursday, 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:45:AM
Kate McCann, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner, David Payne and Fiona Payne were either back inside or stood outside apartment 5a between 9.30pm and 10pm, that evening - they were not sat at the tables in the tapas bar restaurant during this crucial half hour period..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 09:50:AM
At some point prior to Madeleine's body being removed from apartment 5a by Gerry McCann, Madeleine was concealed momentarily behind the sofa in the living room, and moved into a cupboard in the parents bedroom..

This activity happened within the first 6 - 10 minutes after everyone found out that Madeleine was dead, and had died. This estimate is because Gerry McCann was seen by the Smith contingent hurriedly carrying Madeleine's body in his arms at about 9.50pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 01:31:PM
The pink coloured pyjamas which Madeleine was wearing during the evening / early morning of 2nd / 3rd May 2007 when she developed sick symptoms, had to be disposed of along with her body, despite them having been washed on the morning of 3rd May, because their might still be trace evidence of medication on the garments where vomit had ended up..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 01:46:PM
The pink coloured pyjamas which Madeleine was wearing during the evening / early morning of 2nd / 3rd May 2007 when she developed sick symptoms, had to be disposed of along with her body, despite them having been washed on the morning of 3rd May, because their might still be trace evidence of medication on the garments where vomit had ended up..

The fact that the Smith contingent reportedly saw the child that was being carried by Gerry McCann was wearing pink pyjamas, and the fact that the McCann parents produced a pink set of pyjamas weeks afterwards which were too big to have belonged to one of the twin siblings, suggests that after Madeleine's body was disposed, the pyjamas were removed from her body and kept by the parents! If true, it proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the parents had something to do with the disappearance of Madeliene, and that they know what happened and what the cause of her death was. They know where Gerry McCann concealed the body originally, and where it may have subsequently been moved to afterwards. I personally don't believe that the parents transported the cadaver of Madeleine to some far off location in the boot of the hire car. But rather that equipment, clothing and other things like footwear which was contaminated by / with Cadaveric odour was carried in the boot of the car and which subsequently contaminated the set of ignition keys..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 11:25:PM
What the McCann parents and their friends are responsible for is moving the time when Madeleine McCann was supposedly found missing and disappeared as from just after 10pm when Kate McCann had done an imaginary check of apartment 5a, when it had earlier been alerted to by Russell O'Brien at just before 9.30pm that Madeleine had died back in apartment 5a. I am as certain as I can be that she died as a result of a medical overdose which had been administered to Madeliene on the evening of 2nd May 2007, prior to the McCann parents and their close friends going out to dine at the nearby tapas bar restaurant. This course of action was deemed a necessary evil because on the previous evening (1st May 2007) Madeleine was at the heart of a crying episode which had endured for a period of 75 continuos minutes, as referred to by Mrs Fenn. In addition, the couple which supposedly entered apartment 5a in response to the incident, included Gerry McCann and a female accomplice. That female was almost certainly not Kate McCann. It was probably someone whom Gerry McCann had been flirting with on that evening. That night Kate McCann returned to apartment 5a alone, upset about being embarrassed by her husband's behaviour, she had been humiliated in front of other members of the group. Kate slept in the spare bed in the children's bedroom, not because Gerry had a tendency to snore, but because Gerry had probably been unfaithful to Kate that evening in the arms of another woman who's identity I am aware of, a member of the Ocean Club staff..

By breakfast time on the following morning 3rd May 2007, it had become apparent that Madeleine had developed symptoms of drug abuse /overdose - she had vomitted all over her pink pyjama set, which Kate washed during that morning..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 11:40:PM
I am satisfied that Madeleine McCann was still alive right up until shortly before 9.30pm on Thursday, 3rd May 2007. Albeit , throughout the last day of her life on this earth she was suffering with the symptoms of being overdosed by medication which had been administered on the evening 2nd May 2007. She had been vommitting, she was weak and drowsy. She did not attend the crèche that day, either in the morning, or the afternoon...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 11, 2019, 11:49:PM
I can even accept that Madeleine was just barely alive at the time Gerry McCann did his 9pm check of apartment 5a. However, I do not believe that once he had completed his 9pm check that he left Madeleine unsupervised. I believe that Russell O'Brien or Jane Tanner, or both, who were in attendance back at 5a, when Gerry McCann talked to Jes Wilkins outside in the street, and his return back at the tapas bar restuarant by 9.15pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 12, 2019, 12:07:AM
I am satisfied that Madeleine McCann was still alive right up until shortly before 9.30pm on Thursday, 3rd May 2007. Albeit , throughout the last day of her life on this earth she was suffering with the symptoms of being overdosed by medication which had been administered on the evening 2nd May 2007. She had been vommitting, she was weak and drowsy. She did not attend the crèche that day, either in the morning, or the afternoon...

There was no abductor, and neither did Madeleine McCann wander off alone...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 12, 2019, 12:09:AM
It is now time to deal with a piece of known about evidence concerning the patio door on the poolside of apartment 5a..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 12, 2019, 12:15:AM
It is now time to deal with a piece of known about evidence concerning the patio door on the poolside of apartment 5a..

Evidence exists on the PJ file that when the McCanns left the apartment 5a, the parents had set the metal shutters on the outside of the patio door. Well, as far as I am concerned, it was only possible to set the patio door steel shutters from someone inside apartment 5a...

How then could Gerry McCann have completed his 9pm check by entering 5a via the poolside patio door?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 12, 2019, 12:23:AM
Evidence exists on the PJ file that when the McCanns left the apartment 5a, the parents had set the metal shutters on the outside of the patio door. Well, as far as I am concerned, it was only possible to set the patio door steel shutters from someone inside apartment 5a...

How then could Gerry McCann have completed his 9pm check by entering 5a via the poolside patio door?

How did the 9.30pm check supposedly made by Mathew Oldfield / Russell O'Brien involve entry into apartment 5a if the shutters on the outside of the patio door on the poolside of the premises had earlier been lowered?.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 12, 2019, 04:03:AM
In point of fact, if each of the checks which were carried out at apartment 5a (9pm - Gerry McCann, 9.26pm - Russell O'Brien, 9.30pm - Mathew Oldfield, and 10pm - Kate McCann) had taken place as alleged in team McCanns version of the alleged events, all of them would have had to enter the apartment by the road side door. Without the roadside door having been left unlocked Mathew Oldfield would not have been able to enter the apartment via the patio door on the poolside of the building and thereafter look into the children's bedroom whilst standing at their bedroom door, since he could not have raised the shutter of the patio door from outside apartment 5a...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 12, 2019, 06:46:AM
Also pertinent to the issues in this case, is the legally contractual theme that doctors, may not self medicate their own children, or members of their own family..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 12, 2019, 06:53:AM
Also pertinent to the issues in this case, is the legally contractual theme that doctors, may not self medicate their own children, or members of their own family..

From this stance, this statutory provision, suggests in the strongest possible terms, the involvement of at least one or more of the other four doctors in addition to Kate and Gerry McCann, in being involved  in the administering of a fatal dose, the dosages in this matter of some form of medication being administered which led to Madeleine McCanns death..

The medication administered initially on the evening 2nd May 2007, the evening after the extended crying episode spoken about by Mrs Fenn (continuous crying which occurred on evening 1st May 2007, lasting one hour and fithteen minutes, ending at 11.45pm). As a result of the initial administering of the medication on evening 2nd May 2007, Madeleine developed adverse symptons, including vommitting, and severe drowsiness. This was the reason why on the morning of 3rd May 2007 that Kate McCann had to wash Madeleine's pink pyjamas. Worse was to follow, because before going out to the tapas bar restaurant on evening 3rd May, Madeleine was given a fresh dosage of the same medication which was the catalyst resulting in her death. She was still alive when the parents left apartment 5a to go to the tapas bar, but died in the McCann apartment prior to 9.15pm that fateful evening. Jeremy McCann did not enter apartment 5a at 9pm on evening 3rd May 2007, he simply listened outside the shutters of the patio door on the poolside of the building. Unfortunately for him Jez Wilkins saw him as he was coming up the street - he saw Gerry McCann coming down the steps at the roadside gate and chatted with him there in the street. The shutter at the patio door could only be lowered or raised by someone inside the apartment. This confirms that not only could he have entered apartment 5a at the time of his alleged 9pm check, but that Mathew Oldfield could not have entered the apartment by the patio door at the time of his purported 9.30pm check that same evening, because the shutter at the patio door was still lowered - who raised it, and when?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 09:10:AM
The patio door of apartment 5a on the poolside of the building could only be locked or unlocked inside the living room. Similarly, there was a steel shutter on the outside if the patio door, which could only be lowered, or raised by someone operating the mechanism inside the premises...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 11:32:AM
The patio door of apartment 5a on the poolside of the building could only be locked or unlocked inside the living room. Similarly, there was a steel shutter on the outside if the patio door, which could only be lowered, or raised by someone operating the mechanism inside the premises...

Gerry McCann changed a vital part of his statement concerning which door he supposedly entered apartment 5a at the time of his 9pm check on 3rd May 2007 - originally, he said he had entered by the road side door using a key. Something caused him to later alter this to him entering the apartment on that date and time via the patio door on the poolside of the premises. That alteration came about because Jez Wilkins had made a witness statement to PJ about what he saw leading up to the moment when he stopped in the street at the gate and the set of concrete steps,  which Gerry McCann had descended. When Gerry McCann found out that Jez Wilkins had made a witness statement to the PJ, he must have thought that he would say that he had seen him listening outside the patio door, prior to descending the concrete steps to the gate on the side street. So, he altered his account into the suggestion that he had entered his apartment at 9pm via the patio door on the poolside of the building. But, he couldn't have entered the apartment at 9pm via the sliding patio door because the metal shutters were locked in the downward position from inside the apartment. You can't raise the patio shutters from the outside. Furthermore, since you could not open the the patio door shutters from outside, you wouldn't be able to slide open the patio door behind the shutter to let yourself into the apartment. Gerry McCann, therefore, never entered the apartment at the time of his alleged 9pm check or that he had lingered for a moment and thought how beautiful she looked - it must follow that it is not possible for a view of her by him to have been the very last time he had seen her, and how beautiful she had supposedly looked on that alleged occasion..

The last time he saw Madeleine McCann was when he disposed of her body..

If the last time he had seen her was measured by the other fabricated alibi attributed to Kate McCanns 10pm check of their apartment, then you could say that the sighting of him by the Smith contingent was the last verifiable occasion he could have seen her, a number of sightings which took place at around 9.50pm that evening..

However, where did Gerry McCann go once he had got beyond the Smith contingency event?

To the beach?

To the road works and building site on the car park of St Vincent's Church?

The derelict building across the street from the church?

Search wasteland in search areas, 1, 2, 3 and 4?


With this in mind, not only could the last time he saw Madeleine have occurred during his 9pm check (for the reasons given), but 9.50pm when he was seen by the various Smith contingency, he must have looked at her body wherever and whenever he hid Madeleine's body. Yet, even this might not have been the last time he saw her, because of the belief that Madeleine's body had been moved additionally to a new location /reset elsewhere...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 01:25:PM
Because the metal shutter at the poolside patio door of apartment 5a was lowered, and locked internally, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jayne Tanner, nor Kate McCann, could have entered the apartment to carry out checks once the McCann parents left to go out dining at 8.30pm, or thereabouts. The only way to enter apartment 5a after that point would be through the road side door on the car park side of the building..

Gerry McCann
Russell O'Brien
Jane Tanner
Mathew Oldfield
Kate McCann

All the above have all made false witness statements, this means that they are responsible individually for perjury, and collectively for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 01:46:PM
Witness Statement, of Rachel Manually, dated, 15th May 2007
(Extract)

When they arrived at the restaurant at 20.45 the McCann couple was already there.

They were talking to a couple they knew from tennis, whose name she cannot remember. Jane was also there but she was not talking to them. The Payne family and Dianne arrived just after 21.00. Matthew bumped into them as he had gone to the apartment, but he did not enter, he just listened outside to see if there was any noise. He did the same at the Tanner and McCann apartments.

'The window shutters of the McCann's apartments were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.'.


At about 21.00 they were all seated at the restaurant. At 21.05 Gerry went to check on his children and returned minutes later. Jane also went to heck on her children before returning.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 01:54:PM
Neither, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner or Kate McCann state that they had to raise the patio door shutters prior to them having entered apartment 5a at 9pm, 9.30pm or 10pm...

(Rachel Mamphilly)

'The window shutters of the McCann's apartments were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 02:18:PM
How could Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner, and Kate McCann fail to remember that the patio door shutter of apartment 5a was set in the down position against the patio door, when the McCanns had left to go dining at 8.30pm on that 3rd May 2007, evening..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 02:47:PM
How could Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner, and Kate McCann fail to remember that the patio door shutter of apartment 5a was set in the down position against the patio door, when the McCanns had left to go dining at 8.30pm on that 3rd May 2007, evening..

From the benefit of my wife and I staying at the Ocean Club in June 2010 (apartment 6a, Block 6), I had the benefit of seeing all the window shutters, and the patio door shutter, which was identical to the ones fitted at apartment 5a (block 5). These shutters could not be lowered or raised from the outside of our apartment windows, and indeed, no way that you could lower the patio door shutter outside on our balcony (6a , block 6). The only way you could lower the shutter to the patio door was from inside the living room of our apartment. You could not raise the patio door shutter, if you were outside on the patio balcony and someone had lowered the patio door shutter from inside our apartment. This shutter was identical to the patio door shutter fitted at apartment 5a (the McCann apartment)..

If you or I were on the outside of the lowered shutter of the patio door, either on the patio balcony of apartment 6a, block 6, or outside the lowered shutter of the patio door outside apartment 5a, neither you or I would have been able to raise either of the two metal shutters at apartments 6a ( block 6), or the McCann apartment (5a, block 5), without having to cause unmistakeable damage to the shutter in question...

It is a noisy exercise lowering and raising these shutters - you wouldn't want to be continually lowering and raising the shutter of the patio door of apartment 5a, with three young children sleeping soundly in their cots and bed beyond..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 05:49:PM
The claim that there were half hourly checks carried out at apartment 5a where entry and exit  was by way of the patio door on the poolside door cannot be remotely true - if any checks were made after 8.30pm when the McCann Parents left to dine out, any entry into apartment 5a would have required such a person to enter the premises through the road side door and require a key to unlock it when going in, and locking the door when exiting!

Consequently, the custodian(s) of the apartment keys to the front road side door at all times after the McCann Parents left the apartment at around 8.30pm, that evening - until the moment Madeleine's fate was alerted by one party or the other...

Kate McCann cannot have been the person who stumbled upon the fact that Madeleine was missing from apartment 5a after 10pm on the evening 3rd May 2007, because her disappearance was almost definitely known about prior to 9.30pm (the commotion about a missing 3 year old girl belonging to an Ocean Club couple, witnessed by an executive at around 9.15pm). By 9.30pm, the three couples who had been sitting at a table had all scattered from the tapas bar leaving articles of clothing behind which by 9.45pm Diane Webster was sat alone at the same table. The missing child being spoken about earlier (9.15pm) was known to belong to one of the three couples mentioned..

We can be be certain that included amongst the three couples at the table that Gerry McCann and Kate McCann were one of those couples..

So, where did Gerry McCann and Kate McCann disappear to by 9.30pm?

Where did Mathew Oldfield and Rachel Mampilly disappear to by 9.30pm?

Where did David Payne and Fiona Payne disappear to by 9.30pm?

Not to be overlooked, is the fact that by 9pm Mathew Oldfield left the tapas bar restaurant to go and hurry the Payne contingent along, because they were booked in at the same table as Gerry, Kate, Rachel and Mathew, since dinner was due to be served from 9.15pm onward. Diane Webster accompanied David and Fiona Payne when they eventually arrived at the tapas bar.

In between Mathew Oldfield leaving the tapas bar to hurry up the Payne's, and the Payne contingent arriving there (a few minutes after 9pm), David Payne had listened at the shutter of the bedroom window behind which were sleeping the three McCann children. Additionally, Mathew Oldfield  upon meeting the Payne's on route to dine out, he went beyond the point where their paths crossed, and he went to the same shutter to the bedroom window which David Payne had only moments beforehand had also listened at? We then find that Mathew Oldfield returns to the tapas bar restaurant and tells Gerry McCann that he has listened at the shutter of Madeleine's bedroom window suggesting that there be no need for Gerry McCann to do his 9pm check as a result. We find out that Gerry McCann takes offence at being told by Matthew Oldfield that he had been taking it upon himself to care about the welfare of the McCann siblings..

So, Gerry left the tapas bar and went to check the apartment 5a himself, offending Mathew in the process. Gerry called this his 9pm check, but it could have been around 9.05pm by the time he went to apartment 5a...

GerryMcCanns reaction could have been because prior to Mathew mentioning that he had listened at Madeleine's bedroom window, so too had David Payne who must have told Gerry McCann about this. Not surprisingly, from Gerry McCanns perspective being told by two different people that independently listened at the same shuttered bedroom window! Little wonder that he might have become suspicious..

We know that at 9.30pm, Diane Webster, was not present at the same table! But by 9.45pm, she was there, looking after the table and private possessions belonging to the absent couples (above).

Did Russell O'Brien / Jane Tanner sit at a table of their own?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 13, 2019, 06:28:PM

Did Russell O'Brien / Jane Tanner sit at a table of their own?

Maybe the fact that their own child was displaying symptoms of vommitting (like Madeleine McCann on the previous evening)?

Was Jane Tanner sat at the same table as the other three couples and Diane Webster, her place switched to Russell O'Brien, after she had finished eating her own dinner?

Eight people, therefore sat at the same table, three couples, and at one time or another, either Diane Webster and Jane Tanner, or three couples along with Diane Webster and Russell O'Brien..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 02:51:AM
Eight people, therefore sat at the same table, three couples, and at one time or another, either Diane Webster and Jane Tanner, or three couples along with Diane Webster and Russell O'Brien..

The claim that Jane Tanner left the tapas bar at some time after her evening meal had been served (dinner served to all and sundry from 9.15pm), suggests that Jane Tanner not only left the tapas bar at about 9.10pm because of her claim that she has been worried about how long Gerry McCann was away from the tapas bar at his so called check of apartment 5a, but she supposedly also left the tapas bar restaurant to relieve her partner Russell O'Brien back at their apartment in caring for one of their children who had been vommitting that evening on the proviso that after she had finished eating her own dinner, she was anxious to give O'Brien the opportunity to return to the tapas bar restaurant and get his meal..

Dinner was not served in the tapas bar restaurant until 9.15pm..

So, how long did it take for Jane Tanner to eat her dinner?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 02:56:AM

Dinner was not served in the tapas bar restaurant until 9.15pm..

So, how long did it take for Jane Tanner to eat her dinner?

Here lieth the stark truth in the matter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 03:02:AM
Here lieth the stark truth in the matter...

According to the official dishonest team McCann narrative - Jane Tanner left the tapas bar at about 9.10pm, saw Gerry McCann talking to Jez Wilkins talking in the street. She also saw 'TANNERMAN', and proceeded to her apartment (where presumably, her partner and children were all present). That's all well and good, but at what stage or time did she return to the tapas bar restuarant to enable her to eat her evening meal which as is now known was not due to be served until 9.15pm (each evening)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 03:15:AM
You see..

Being the diligent sort of character that I am, it puzzles me that (a) if dinner was not served until 9.15pm, or thereafter, and (b) by 9.30pm that or at which at least three couples had been served their evening meal, all and sundry had for one reason or another, all hurriedly left their table and gone back to the apartment (5a), at what stage did Jane Tanner return to the restaurant to enable her to eat her own evening meal (after 9.15pm), since she leaves the tapas bar area at 9.10pm (some 5 minutes before the meal to be served, is served), by allegedly eating her own meal prior to her then leaving the tapas bar restaurant in order to allow her partner (Russell O'Brien) to be able to be relieved from his caring duty back at their apartment so that he too could eat his own meal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 03:20:AM
How many times did Jane Tanner leave the tapas bar restaurant that evening?

9.10pm, prior to dinner being served from 9.15pm..

After she had eaten her meal she returned to her apartment, to relieve O'Brien..

Well, my point is this -
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 03:30:AM
How many times did Jane Tanner leave the tapas bar restaurant that evening?

9.10pm, prior to dinner being served from 9.15pm..

After she had eaten her meal she returned to her apartment, to relieve O'Brien..

Well, my point is this -

If the serving of the evening meal did not commence until 9.15pm, and we are sufficiently duped into believing that five minutes beforehand that Jane Tanner had left the tapas bar (9.10pm) in search of Gerry McCan, at what stage did she return to the tapas bar restaurant prior to 9.15pm, to enable her to have eaten her own meal by 9.30pm, and the disappearance of the three couples who had all been enjoying their evening meal by that time?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 05:18:AM
It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't add up, it doesn't equate, how could Jane Tanner have left the tapas bar restaurant, twice between 9.10pm and 9.30pm?

Firstly to enable her to pass Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street at the gated entry to apartment 5a, then see 'TANNERMAN', on her way to her own apartment, and she be back at the tapas bar restaurant in time for her dinner to be served at 9.15pm? How did she get back in time from visiting her apartment, seeing 'TANNERMAN', and passing Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins in the street outside the gated access location of apartment 5a, if she left the tapas bar at 9.10pm like she claimed?

Additionally, where was her partner Russell O'Brien at the time all of this was supposedly going on (9.10pm - 9.15pm)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 05:31:AM
It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't add up, it doesn't equate, how could Jane Tanner have left the tapas bar restaurant, twice between 9.10pm and 9.30pm?

Firstly to enable her to pass Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street at the gated entry to apartment 5a, then see 'TANNERMAN', on her way to her own apartment, and she be back at the tapas bar restaurant in time for her dinner to be served at 9.15pm? How did she get back in time from visiting her apartment, seeing 'TANNERMAN', and passing Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins in the street outside the gated access location of apartment 5a, if she left the tapas bar at 9.10pm like she claimed?

Additionally, where was her partner Russell O'Brien at the time all of this was supposedly going on (9.10pm - 9.15pm)?

Remember, didn't or doesn't Russell O'Brien claim to have left the tapas bar at about 9pm on the pretense that he went back to his apartment to check on the O'Brien / Tanner children?

Well, when did he return to the tapas bar, in time for him to leave again along with Mathew Oldfield at 9.30pm, if it is as is claimed, he missed the serving of his dinner which would have been ready and available for him by 9.15pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 05:36:AM
Remember, didn't or doesn't Russell O'Brien claim to have left the tapas bar at about 9pm on the pretense that he went back to his apartment to check on the O'Brien / Tanner children?

Well, when did he return to the tapas bar, in time for him to leave again along with Mathew Oldfield at 9.30pm, if it is as is claimed, he missed the serving of his dinner which would have been ready and available for him by 9.15pm?

Why did the staff have to reheat or keep warm the meal that was ordered and prepared for Russell O'Brien, if he had been present at the tapas bar restaurant when dinner was served at 9.15pm?

The only explanation is that he can't have been present at the tapas bar restaurant at the time (9.15pm) dinner was being served to all the group..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 05:38:AM
Why did the staff have to reheat or keep warm the meal that was ordered and prepared for Russell O'Brien, if he had been present at the tapas bar restaurant when dinner was served at 9.15pm?

The only explanation is that he can't have been present at the tapas bar restaurant at the time (9.15pm) dinner was being served to all the group..

Russell O'Brien was absent from the tapas bar at the time dinner was being served to all members of the other eight so called tapas group members at 9.15pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 05:43:AM
Only one meal, in the booking, had to be reheated or kept warm - this informs us that by the time dinner was being served at 9.15pm,  that only eight of the nine group members were sat at a table and receiving their dinners by 9.15pm...

Gerry McCann
Kate McCannl
Mathew Oldfield
Rachel Mampilly
David Payne
Fiona Payne
Diane Webster
Jane Tanner

Russell O'Brien was the only person in the group missing from the restaurant when dinner was being served...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 05:50:AM
Only one meal, in the booking, had to be reheated or kept warm - this informs us that by the time dinner was being served at 9.15pm,  that only eight of the nine group members were sat at a table and receiving their dinners by 9.15pm...

Gerry McCann
Kate McCannl
Mathew Oldfield
Rachel Mampilly
David Payne
Fiona Payne
Diane Webster
Jane Tanner

Russell O'Brien was the only person in the group missing from the restaurant when dinner was being served...

This fact tells us that it is very unlikely that Jane Tanner left the tapas bar restaurant area at 9.10pm, and that she did not pass Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins who were talking adjacent to the gated access to apartment 5a, and that she did not see 'TANNERMAN' walking across the junction carrying a child, going from left to right, and that on this occasion she had gone to check on the O'Brien / Tanner children at their apartment at that time...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 05:58:AM
If their is any semblance of truth that Jane Tanner did temporarily leave the tapas bar restaurant area at about 9.15pm ( just before dinner was due to be served), on the proviso that she went to check why Gerry McCann was taking his time doing his so called 9pm check of apartment 5a and the safety or otherwise of the three McCann children, that upon exiting the back entrance of the Ocean Club, and upon turning left to go up the street in the direction of the McCann apartment (5a), that she saw Gerry McCann talking to Jez Wilkins in the street, and that as a result of this she did a 'U' turn and went back to the table in the restaurant, where she told Kate McCann that Gerry was late in returning because he was outside in the street talking to one of his tennis friends...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:05:AM
If their is any semblance of truth that Jane Tanner did temporarily leave the tapas bar restaurant area at about 9.15pm ( just before dinner was due to be served), on the proviso that she went to check why Gerry McCann was taking his time doing his so called 9pm check of apartment 5a and the safety or otherwise of the three McCann children, that upon exiting the back entrance of the Ocean Club, and upon turning left to go up the street in the direction of the McCann apartment (5a), that she saw Gerry McCann talking to Jez Wilkins in the street, and that as a result of this she did a 'U' turn and went back to the table in the restaurant, where she told Kate McCann that Gerry was late in returning because he was outside in the street talking to one of his tennis friends...

Jane Tanner never walked past Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins at all in the street, hence why neither had any recollection seeing her pass them. It therefore falls to be treated that the sighting of 'TANNERMAN' has got to be a piece of false information, it can't possibly be true..

It can't possibly be true for the following reasons...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:23:AM
Jane Tanner never walked past Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins at all in the street, hence why neither had any recollection seeing her pass them. It therefore falls to be treated that the sighting of 'TANNERMAN' has got to be a piece of false information, it can't possibly be true..

It can't possibly be true for the following reasons...

(a) - in order for JaneTanner to have seen the imaginary 'TANNERMAN' she would have needed to pass both Gerry McCann / Jez Wilkins who were talking in the street by the gated access to apartment 5a. There is no supporting evidence that Jane Tanner passed them talking in the street as alleged. She was back at the tapas bar restaurant in time to receive dinner served at 9.15pm, and so was Gerry McCann, and six other members of the so called tapas nine group. The only absenteism at the start of dinner was of course, Russell O'Brien.

(b) - Jane Tanner's view of anyone crossing the top of the road junction (left to right) would have been severely hampered if she did an about 'U' turn, and beforehand that upon seeing Gerry and Jez talking together by the gated access to apartment 5a, they would have been in the direct line of Jane Tanners view beyond them. In fact, the only reason why any credibility/ weight that has been attached to the alleged sighting of 'TANNERMAN', was on the basis that Jane Tanner had gone past the position in the street where McCann / Wilkins were stood talking...

(c) - Jane Tanner did not walk past them, she did not see anyone carrying any child in their arms...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:28:AM
This brings me on, to the following important question - at what time after the serving of dinner (9.15pm) did Russell O'Brien return to the tapas bar restaurant, to enable him to leave again along with Mathew Oldfield at about 9.30pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:29:AM
This brings me on, to the following important question - at what time after the serving of dinner (9.15pm) did Russell O'Brien return to the tapas bar restaurant, to enable him to leave again along with Mathew Oldfield at about 9.30pm?

Bearing in mind, that the restaurant staff had to reheat / keep warm his meal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:33:AM
Also bear in mind that one of the restaurant staff states that they had to re-heat a partially ate meal...

Was that partially eaten meal the one initially served to Russell O'Brien?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:34:AM
Also bear in mind that one of the restaurant staff states that they had to re-heat a partially ate meal...

Was that partially eaten meal the one initially served to Russell O'Brien?

Or, did it belong to a second member of the tapas nine group?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:43:AM
If the partially eaten meal that got reheated / was kept warm this must have taken precedence prior to 9.30pm, because by that time the table where the three couples had been sat (along with Diane Webster and either Jane Tanner or Russell O'Brien) had been abandoned according to a member of the restaurant staff by 9.30pm..

With this in mind, everyone who had been present at the table when dinner was served must have had sufficient opportunity to eat their respective meals within the 15 minute period between when dinner had been served, and the earliest time that the table where the tapas group sat was abandoned in a hurry by 9.30pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:44:AM
If the partially eaten meal that got reheated / was kept warm this must have taken precedence prior to 9.30pm, because by that time the table where the three couples had been sat (along with Diane Webster and either Jane Tanner or Russell O'Brien) had been abandoned according to a member of the restaurant staff by 9.30pm..

With this in mind, everyone who had been present at the table when dinner was served must have had sufficient opportunity to eat their respective meals within the 15 minute period between when dinner had been served, and the earliest time that the table where the tapas group sat was abandoned in a hurry by 9.30pm..

Why then, reheat / keep warm a partially eaten Neal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:50:AM
What this informs us, is that by the time the dining table in question was abandoned by Team McCann at around 9.30pm, one of the group hadn't had time to eat his / her dinner..

What is not yet clear, is whether or not this reference to the reheating / warming of a partially ate meal,  is in addition to the meal which was kept warm for Russell O'Brien?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:52:AM
What this informs us, is that by the time the dining table in question was abandoned by Team McCann at around 9.30pm, one of the group hadn't had time to eat his / her dinner..

What is not yet clear, is whether or not this reference to the reheating / warming of a partially ate meal,  is in addition to the meal which was kept warm for Russell O'Brien?

Or, was this reference to a partially eaten meal given to Russell O'Brien because of his late return to the restaurant from his 9pm apartment check?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 06:56:AM
It concerns me a great deal the fact that several different male members of the group did a check in one form or another of apartment 5a at between 9pm - 9.30pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007...

(1) - David Payne (9pm)
(2) - Mathew Oldfield (9pm)
(3) - Gerry McCann (9pm)
(4) - Mathew Oldfield / Russell O'Brien (9.30pm)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 07:04:AM
Somewhat rather astonishingly, neither of these persons could have entered apartment 5a at the specified time because the security shutter to the patio door on the pool side of 5a was lowered and locked from inside the premises..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 07:07:AM
Somewhat rather astonishingly, neither of these persons could have entered apartment 5a at the specified time because the security shutter to the patio door on the pool side of 5a was lowered and locked from inside the premises..

This is what makes David Payne, and Mathew Oldfield's respective 9pm checks interesting. Since both of them talk about listening at the shutter of the McCann siblings bedroom window, situated on the road / car park side of the building..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 07:11:AM
This is what makes David Payne, and Mathew Oldfield's respective 9pm checks interesting. Since both of them talk about listening at the shutter of the McCann siblings bedroom window, situated on the road / car park side of the building..

For some reason Gerry McCann takes offence to these checks having been carried out on his apartment..

At one time or another, Gerry McCann claims to have entered apartment 5a by (1) the road side door, and (2) the sliding patio door on the poolside of the building when he allegedly carried out his version of the 9pm check on evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007...

So, Gerry McCann entered apartment 5a at the time of his 9pm check, via the lockable roadside door, and the poolside patio door...

Infact, the following might be true..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 08:34:AM

Infact, the following might be true..

He actually entered by the locked roadside door, and once inside he unlocked the patio door on the poolside of the premises and he raised the shutter to the patio door from inside the apartment, to facilitate the removal of Madeleine's body from the apartment which was acted upon by the involvement of Mathew Oldfield / Russell O' Brien, at some point thereafter..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 08:37:AM
He actually entered by the locked roadside door, and once inside he unlocked the patio door on the poolside of the premises and he raised the shutter to the patio door from inside the apartment, to facilitate the removal of Madeleine's body from the apartment which was acted upon by the involvement of Mathew Oldfield / Russell O' Brien, at some point thereafter..

For this explanation to be true, however, it would mean that by the time of Gerry McCanns 9pm check, he would have already been aware, or known that Madeleine was no longer a part of the present human race, by that stage..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 08:39:AM
I will leave no stone unturned in my pursuit of the absolute truth in this matter - 'and' until we get to the bottom of this, all bets are still on, and valid!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 02:50:PM
Team McCann have not been entirely honest about the events on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007..

Gerry McCann has lied
Russell O'Brien has lied
Mathew Oldfield has lied
Jane Tanner has lied
Kate McCann has lied

So, is it alright for these key witnesses to tell deliberate lies in this matter?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 03:01:PM
Team McCann have not been entirely honest about the events on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007..

Gerry McCann has lied
Russell O'Brien has lied
Mathew Oldfield has lied
Jane Tanner has lied
Kate McCann has lied

So, is it alright for these key witnesses to tell deliberate lies in this matter?

None of these common criminals have the decency to admit to the truth about the full circumstances surrounding the death of Madeleine McCann in apartment 5a, by 9.15am on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007..

The Carpenter couple had the knowledge that by around 9.15pm, that Madeleine McCann was missing...

How, did they know so early in the evening?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 14, 2019, 03:05:PM
None of the eight tapas nine group members could have still been sitting at their dining table after 9.30pm, that evening..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 16, 2019, 12:32:AM
None of the eight tapas nine group members could have still been sitting at their dining table after 9.30pm, that evening..

The ninth member of the group (Diane Webster) returned to the aforementioned table by about 9.45pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 16, 2019, 11:27:AM
As a new Netflix documentary is made I can't believe that if there was a conspiracy it would not have unravelled by now. This leads me to think the abduction of Madeleine McCann was the work of a sole disturbed individual. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-netflix-documentary-reviews-a8825856.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 11:36:AM
I have uncovered a startling revelation involving the part contents of Mathew Oldfield's witness statement to police :-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 01:53:PM
I have uncovered a startling revelation involving the part contents of Mathew Oldfield's witness statement to police :-

Firstly, that if Gerry McCann (9.05pm) took exception to Mathew Oldfield's check outside the bedroom window behind which Madeleine McCann and the other siblings were sleeping at about 8.55 - 9pm, to such an extent that Mathew Oldfield thought GM's reaction was disrespectful toward him, why would Mathew Oldfield get up again from the restaurant table at about 9.20pm that same evening and volunteer to do a check of the McCann apartment instead of Kate McCann? We are told that Kate McCann agreed to Oldfield's offer, but there is no mention of Gerry McCann also agreeing to this at that time...

Oddly, at this time (around 9.20pm) Kate told Oldfield that he could enter by the sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises..

How did Kate know that Gerry McCann hadn't locked the patio door upon or during his 9.05pm check, leaving by the lockable roadside door?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 02:01:PM
Hold on, folks...

There is something far more startling in Mathew Oldfield's 10th May witness statement, something very disturbing, indeed ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 02:02:PM
Hold on, folks...

There is something far more startling in Mathew Oldfield's 10th May witness statement, something very disturbing, indeed ..

  'Consequently, he admits it being possible for someone to have entered the ground-floor apartments without being detected, through [by way of] the patios that were round the back of the residential block'.

'Nevertheless, he relates not having perceived any movements at the rear of the McCann apartment during the last of the checks that he took part in'.

'Consequently, it had been an enormous surprise to receive the news of the disappearance of small MBM'.
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'By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well'.

'The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50'. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 02:17:PM
As, news of Madeleine's disappearance had been conveyed to all friends who were members of the tapas group subsequent to Kate's visit to check on her kids at 9.50pm...

This can only lead to the conclusion that the executive Ocean Club employee must have been correct when he says that at about 9.15 - 9.20pm, he became aware of a comotion involving a couple who were sat at a table talking about a little 3 yr old girl belonging to a couple of guests who were staying at the Ocean club had gone missing from their apartment...

There is the additional evidence of a barman, and a table waiter, where one states that the table where the three couples had been sitting during evening meal was completely vacated between 9.30 - 9.45pm, whilst the other employee states that by 9.45pm, the table were the McCann clan had been sitting was vacated accept for an elderly female, who he now knows to have been Diane Webster...

All the group knew about the alleged disappearence of Madeleine McCann subsequent to Kate McCann allegedly going to do a check of her kids back in apartment 5A at 9.50pm...

Mathew Oldfield let slip, that all members of the group knew about Madeleine's disappearance subsequent to Kate's imaginary check at 9.50pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 02:20:PM

Here we have Mathew Oldfield's part Confession in his 10th May witness statement  that everyone that needed to know amongst themselves already knew that Madeleine had gone missing, long before Kate McCann went and did the imaginary 10pm check of 5A..


 By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 02:44:PM
This has devastating effect on her claim that by 10pm, how she (and no-one else) had discovered Madeleine to be missing, and that the door she does remember as being ajar, and the slamming of the bedroom door, along with the whoosing of the bedroom window curtains, and the discovery of the bedroom window being slid open, and the outside steel shutters at the window were raised, can only be complete fiction.

Similarly, the claim that during this 10pm check how she had frantically searched apartment 5a looking for the whereabouts of her daughter, and the tale she has spun about returning to the tapas bar restaurant where she alerted everyone at that time that Madeleine was gone and missing, when everyone had already known about since prior to 9.15pm, or longer. 

All a pack of lies...

As is the claim, that upon being alerted to Madeleine's disappearance after 10pm, everyone ran off from their table at the tapas bar restaurant and went directly to the McCann apartment. The only reason Diane Webster was at the restaurant table at 9.45pm was in the capacity of stewardship of the groups personal items left behind by the others
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 06:30:PM
 
 A pack of lies...

As is the claim, that upon being alerted to Madeleine's disappearance after 10pm, everyone ran off from their table at the tapas bar restaurant and went directly to the McCann apartment. The only reason Diane Webster was at the restaurant table at 9.45pm was in the capacity of stewardship of the groups personal items left behind by the others

Everything points to 'little MBM' being deceased, and all friends knowing that Madeleine would be reported officially as missing much later on in the evening! Of this there can now be any doubt whatsoever...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 06:31:PM
So, what happened and when, or why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 06:59:PM
So, what happened and when, or why?

I have watched many of the You Tube documentaries postulating different theories, and in response to these I have used and relied upon my skill as a case researcher to test many of these theories. My enquiries suggest that various aspects or features in the case are proven or established...

Such as, I don't think Madeleine McCann physically died until the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. She died in the apartment at some point after the McCann parents left 5A to go to evening meal at the nearby tapas restaurant bar at around 8.30pm and by 9.15pm, when people sat at a tapas restaurant bar table talking about Madeleine having gone missing from the family apartment (already), as witnessed by an Ocean Club Executive who had only just come on duty five minutes or so beforehand...

My research indicates that the alleged checks of apartment 5a, by David Payne, en route to dining, followed by Mathew Oldfield's 8.55pm check at the shutter of the McCann children's bedroom window, together with the following events, which include  Gerry McCanns visit to apartment 5a at 9.05pm, together with Jane Tanner conveniently leaving the tapas bar at 9.10pm, all seem to be importantly linked to the now known acceptance that people must have known that Madeleine had died by 9.15pm, and that for whatever reason, if Kate McCann was the person who informed all of their friends subsequent to her supposed check of 5a at 9.50pm, she must also have returned to the McCann apartment at some point  between 8.30pm and let's say 9.15pm, to know that Madeleine had been taken, that she was gone!

Of course in a religious setting, the loss of life in any circumstances could be talked or thought about as 'a taking', 'gone', and 'missing'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 07:08:PM

My research indicates that the alleged checks of apartment 5a, by David Payne, en route to dining, followed by Mathew Oldfield's 8.55pm check at the shutter of the McCann children's bedroom window, together with the following events, which include  Gerry McCanns visit to apartment 5a at 9.05pm, together with Jane Tanner conveniently leaving the tapas bar at 9.10pm, all seem to be importantly linked to the now known acceptance that people must have known that Madeleine had died by 9.15pm, and that for whatever reason, if Kate McCann was the person who informed all of their friends subsequent to her supposed check of 5a at 9.50pm, she must also have returned to the McCann apartment at some point  between 8.30pm and let's say 9.15pm, to know that Madeleine had been taken, that she was gone!

Of course in a religious setting, the loss of life in any circumstances could be talked or thought about as 'a taking', 'gone', and 'missing'...

I must also say, that it is established beyond reasonable doubt that Neither Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner, Fiona Payne, and David Payne were still sat at the dining table in the tapas restaurant at any stage after about 9.30pm, onwards, that evening - evidence from an Ocean Club barman, and a table waiter serves to confirm that between 9.30 - 9 45pm nobody was still seated at the principal tapas bar restaurant table ( other than Diane Webster, who returned to the table by 9.45pm)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 07:15:PM
Based on my experiences and knowledge of life  involving the life I lived amongst the Criminalised fraternity, it does not come as any sort of surprise to see / find that offenders often incorporate real events out of sequence, with the culprits moving the timing of these events either forward, or back for the purpose of displacing the time of occurrence..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 07:17:PM
Based on my experiences and knowledge of life  involving the life I lived amongst the Criminalised fraternity, it does not come as any sort of surprise to see / find that offenders often incorporate real events out of sequence, with the culprits moving the timing of these events either forward, or back for the purpose of displacing the time of occurrence..

This is precisely what the McCann parents and friends are responsible for having done..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 07:22:PM
The discovery and timing of Madeleine McCanns death has been deliberately displaced as having been first found out about or known until 10pm, at the latest, when there existed other evidence that by 9.15pm, the McCanns and their friends already knew that Madeleine McCann 'had been taken', that she was 'gone', or 'missing'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 07:30:PM
The discovery and timing of Madeleine McCanns death has been deliberately displaced as having been first found out about or known until 10pm, at the latest, when there existed other evidence that by 9.15pm, the McCanns and their friends already knew that Madeleine McCann 'had been taken', that she was 'gone', or 'missing'...

During that period of let's say between 9.15 - 10pm, that night, valuable time was made up /lost to the the McCann and friends group, and on the other flip side of the coin, the investigators..

A minimum of that 45 minute period  (9.15 - 10pm) enabled the McCanns and friends to dispose of Madeleine McCanns body, whilst at the same time, build themselves and each other a false alibi...

On the other hand, the PJ were hampered in their pursuit to find out the absolute truth  surrounding the alleged disappearance of MBM...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 07:34:PM
A minimum of that 45 minute period  (9.15 - 10pm) enabled the McCanns and friends to dispose of Madeleine McCanns body, whilst at the same time, build themselves and each other a false alibi...

For this reason, everything points to Gerry McCann being the person who was seen by the Smith family carrying the body of Madeleine during the disposal of her body (episode) at and by 9.50pm, almost certainly carrying his dead daughters body downhill in the general direction of the beach / church / derelict building, including inside the desipitated premises and overgrown rear garden.....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 18, 2019, 09:25:PM
For this reason, everything points to Gerry McCann being the person who was seen by the Smith family carrying the body of Madeleine during the disposal of her body (episode) at and by 9.50pm, almost certainly carrying his dead daughters body downhill in the general direction of the beach / church / derelict building, including inside the desipitated premises and overgrown rear garden.....
But the clothing Smith said he was wearing matches Jane Tanner's description. I do note however from this old video that given the narrowness of the street concerned the story does seem a little odd. https://youtu.be/RaLZ6vf0Ybc
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:01:PM
But the clothing Smith said he was wearing matches Jane Tanner's description. I do note however from this old video that given the narrowness of the street concerned the story does seem a little odd. https://youtu.be/RaLZ6vf0Ybc

Hi Steve_uk, it's a good point that u make, but bear in mind that Jane Tanner saw no-one carrying a child across the top of the street. Her description of what this fictitious man was wearing only surfaced much later and by that stage Tanner could have been / was influenced by knowing or being told by the McCanns the clothing that Gerry McCann was wearing when he met and passed the Smith family at around 9.50pm. her identikit / photofit image was simply updated long afterwards purposefully to try and link the fake Tanner sighting with the Smith sighting, making both men one and the same!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:07:PM
For this reason, everything points to Gerry McCann being the person who was seen by the Smith family carrying the body of Madeleine during the disposal of her body (episode) at and by 9.50pm, almost certainly carrying his dead daughters body downhill in the general direction of the beach / church / derelict building, including inside the desipitated premises and overgrown rear garden.....

The Smith sighting of Gerry McCann carrying off his daughters dead body at 9.50pm, was the motive for the timing of the discovery of Madeleine's disappearance from around 9pm, displaced by one hour to just after 10pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:08:PM
The Smith sighting of Gerry McCann carrying off his daughters dead body at 9.50pm, was the motive for the timing of the discovery of Madeleine's disappearance from around 9pm, displaced by one hour to just after 10pm..

Adopting this tactic, provided Gerry McCann with a false alibi..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:10:PM
Adopting this tactic, provided Gerry McCann with a false alibi..

For example, if Gerry was sat at a table in the tapas bar restaurant until just after 10pm, how could he possibly have been the person who was seen carrying the body of his daughter at 9.50pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:11:PM
For example, if Gerry was sat at a table in the tapas bar restaurant until just after 10pm, how could he possibly have been the person who was seen carrying the body of his daughter at 9.50pm...

But he was, and he did..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:19:PM
It would have taken Gerry McCann 5 / 6 minutes to run back up hill from the direction of the coastline, church, derelict building, once he had provisionally set down his dead daughters body in the pink room of the derelict building located directly across the street from St Vincent's church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:22:PM
It would have taken Gerry McCann 5 / 6 minutes to run back up hill from the direction of the coastline, church, derelict building, once he had provisionally set down his dead daughters body in the pink room of the derelict building located directly across the street from St Vincent's church...
l get the feeling / impression that he did not bury her remains on that first evening, he simply laid down her body in the pink room of the derelict building, in a gap between the edge of a single bed mattress and the outer wall of the room..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 18, 2019, 10:32:PM
The image which I took of 'the ghost of Maddie' in the pink room of the derelict building, inform me that Madeliene's dead body may have been left there for a period of  days, or more, beforehand...

For example, during the first few days or so immediately after her alerted disappearance, after which her body was transferred initially to the shallow grave in the hollow at the left hand corner of the rear garden.I think her remains at that time were put into a large black coloured holdall and burried there in that shallow grave. Thereafter, the remains contained in this bag were exhumed and possibly transferred into one of several vertical drains situated on the ocean side of the rear gardens back wall situated precariously on a narrow ledge above rocks below. These vertical man holes were considered to be unapproachable by police hounds xxx
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 19, 2019, 04:09:AM
Madeleine McCann can't have died any earlier than around 9pm, or shortly thereafter, inside apartment 5a on the evening of 3rd May 2007  because the body of a deceased person starts to decay and it produces a distinctive aroma. I can't see the McCann parents sitting on their daughters death from days beforehand, and Gerry McCann being spotted by the Smith family carrying off his dead daughters body at 9.50pm on that same evening - if Madeleine had been deceased already for a few days because the Smith family would had instinctively picked up on the fact that Gerry McCanns, carrying off of Madeleine at that time would have been accompanied by the awful stench of a decaying body!

Similarly, why was there no such stench in the apartment, noticeable when the PJ turned up at apartment 5a tends to support this view...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 19, 2019, 06:28:AM
True verdict - Madeleine McCann died shortly prior to the timing of the Smith family contingent passing Gerry with Madeleine's body in his arms at around 9.50pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 19, 2019, 06:33:AM
True verdict - Madeleine McCann died shortly prior to the timing of the Smith family contingent passing Gerry with Madeleine's body in his arms at around 9.50pm...

At this time, Madeleine's body was not concealed in a sports holdall,  or a bag, leading one to believe or to suspect that in that instant it was probably with the intent of getting Madeliene McCanns deceased body as far away as possible from the McCann apartment (5a) - seems so obvious to me that this was the initial reaction of the McCann parents, to try and distance themselves from Madelienes death ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 19, 2019, 06:40:AM
At this time, Madeleine's body was not concealed in a sports holdall,  or a bag, leading one to believe or to suspect that in that instant it was probably with the intent of getting Madeliene McCanns deceased body as far away as possible from the McCann apartment (5a) - seems so obvious to me that this was the initial reaction of the McCann parents, to try and distance themselves from Madelienes death ..

This surely has to be a clue of huge significance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 19, 2019, 06:43:AM
So, just to recap thus far, the clothing worn by 'TANNERMAN' , as depicted in the first photo fit pictures was deliberately introduced to look like or to match the clothing worn by Gerry McCann at the time of the Smith family sightings xx
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 19, 2019, 06:46:AM
So, just to recap thus far, the clothing worn by 'TANNERMAN' , as depicted in the first photo fit pictures was deliberately introduced to look like or to match the clothing worn by Gerry McCann at the time of the Smith family sightings xx

It was produced later by Jayne Tanner, because she had found out from Gerry McCann that he was seen by a family carrying off Madeleine's body wearing the clothes he had got on at the time..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 20, 2019, 09:54:PM
Bear in mind the following key players at the heart of hiding, and concealing Madeleine's body - the relationship between (1) Gerry McCann, (2) Robert Murat, and (3) Sergei Malinka...

The Smith family sighting of Gerry McCann carrying off Madeleine at 9.50pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, was a location within striking distance of ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 07:57:AM
Bear in mind the following key players at the heart of hiding, and concealing Madeleine's body - the relationship between (1) Gerry McCann, (2) Robert Murat, and (3) Sergei Malinka...

The Smith family sighting of Gerry McCann carrying off Madeleine at 9.50pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, was a location within striking distance of ...

(a) - the apartment building where Sergei Malinka and his mother were living

(b) -  the location where Sergei Malinka's Audi motor vehicle got burnt out, alongside on the pavement painted in red was the word 'FALA' (talk)

(c) - St Vincent's Church

(d) - the derelict building, and the shallow grave situated directly across the road from the church

(e) - the beach / coastline
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 08:09:AM
I believe that there are/is sufficient circumstantial evidence (s), for believing that Gerry McCann, Robert Murat, and Sergei Malinda to have all known each other prior to Madeleine McCanns reported disappearance at around 10pm, on 3rd May 2007. Upon accepting this to have been true, the following reference / to the existence of a purported telephone call between Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka at around 10pm on that evening, a call which Murat denied he had ever made to Malinka, and likewise, Malinka had denied that he had received such a call from Robert Murat at that time, should coincide with the timing of two other incidents in the case...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 08:26:AM
I believe that there are/is sufficient circumstantial evidence (s), for believing that Gerry McCann, Robert Murat, and Sergei Malinda to have all known each other prior to Madeleine McCanns reported disappearance at around 10pm, on 3rd May 2007. Upon accepting this to have been true, the following reference / to the existence of a purported telephone call between Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka at around 10pm on that evening, a call which Murat denied he had ever made to Malinka, and likewise, Malinka had denied that he had received such a call from Robert Murat at that time, should coincide with the timing of two other incidents in the case...

(1) - the sighting of Gerry McCann at about 9.50pm by the Smith family contingent

And

(2) - the timing of Kate McCanns check of apartment 5a at 9.50pm, linked to her alert by around 10pm, or thereabouts, that Madeleine had been taken, that she was gone

And

(3) - the claim made by four tapas group members that Robert Murat was seen in the vicinity of apartment 5a shortly after the 10 pm alert that Maddie was missing

And

(4) - the sighting of Robert Murat at the Baptiste supermarket, by an eye witness account at around 10.00 - 10.30pm, that same evening

And

(5) - the fact that when police checked Kate and Gerry McCanns phone records, it was discovered that they had both deleted the timings of calls made and received to one another, and or other people

And

(6) - the business relationship between Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka

And

(7) - Robert Murat becoming the interpreter in conversations between the PJ and the parents, and vice versa

And

(8) - the fact that Robert Murat was involved in the hiring of the first hire rental company vehicle which allowed Kate and Gerry McCann to visit nearby Lagos, in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance of Madeleine - phone records placed the McCann mobile phone (s) there, with no explanation for the McCann presence in those locations at these times
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 08:45:AM
I think that by 9.30pm on the evening 3rd May 2007 that Gerry McCann, Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka were communicating with one another to arrange for a safe house where the body of Madeleine McCann could be concealed temporarily, and that Gerry McCann, simply handed over the body to Sergei Malinka quickly immediately after the Smith (9.50pm) sighting, and that Sergei Malinka took the body into one of the apartments, nearby...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 08:53:AM
I think that by 9.30pm on the evening 3rd May 2007 that Gerry McCann, Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka were communicating with one another to arrange for a safe house where the body of Madeleine McCann could be concealed temporarily, and that Gerry McCann, simply handed over the body to Sergei Malinka quickly immediately after the Smith (9.50pm) sighting, and that Sergei Malinka took the body into one of the apartments, nearby...

I don't think he would have risked taking Madeleine's body back to the apartment he shared with his mother - so, I go for another apartment, in a block closer to the sighting of Gerry McCann made by the Smith's. Hence why, Malinka's Audi motor vehicle got burned out with 'FALA'  painted on the pavement, nearby. This tells me that the safe house where Madeleine McCann body was concealed, had to be an apartment in that block of apartments where Malinka eventually got his car burnt out..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:03:AM
Sometime later, Malinka transferred her body from the original safehouse in a nearby apartment block to inside the derelict building across the road from St Vincent's church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:11:AM
Sometime later, Malinka transferred her body from the original safehouse in a nearby apartment block to inside the derelict building across the road from St Vincent's church...

Where her body was originally laid on the floor of the pink room of the derelict building, it was placed in a gap between the edge of a single bed mattress and an external wall ( Exactly where I captured Madeleine's energy when I took the now legendary 'ghost of Maddie' photograph) He kept her body there until he had dug a shallow grave deep enough to conceal the body, in the rear left hand corner of the back garden..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:16:AM
After he had buried the remains in the shallow grave, he would stand at the netted glass window of the pink room inside the derelict building and peer out observing the comings and goings of people arriving or leaving St Vincent's Church on the other side of the road...

Two such visitors, were Kate and Gerry McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:26:AM
Sergei Malinka, Robert Murat, and Gerry McCann all knew each other, and it must follow that all three of them knew that Madeleine had died inside apartment 5a during the evening of 3rd May 2007. For Gerry McCanns part he was responsible for a number of key exercises into Madeliene's disappearance, which included contact with the other two via telephone calls on his mobile phone, and the physical handing over of Madeleine's body to Sergei Malinka within minutes of the Smith confrontation beforehand..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:32:AM
Sergei Malinka, Robert Murat, and Gerry McCann all knew each other, and it must follow that all three of them knew that Madeleine had died inside apartment 5a during the evening of 3rd May 2007. For Gerry McCanns part he was responsible for a number of key exercises into Madeliene's disappearance, which included contact with the other two via telephone calls on his mobile phone, and the physical handing over of Madeleine's body to Sergei Malinka within minutes of the Smith confrontation beforehand..

Thereafter, it was not known about the true location by the McCann parents that Madeleine's body had been transferred to, and they did not get to know of its whereabouts, until a long time afterwards. This almost certainly came about because Malinka was suspected of trying to blackmail the parents into handing over a huge amount of cash, for the return of Madeleine's remains.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:39:AM
Monies raised in the find Maddie McCann fund, are believed to have been paid out by the McCann parents to Sergei Malinka for the return of their daughters remains. These negotiations took place over a number of weeks, and included direct face to face contact between the McCann parents and Sergei Malinka inside St Vincent's church after the parents had managed to obtain the keys from the priest..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:52:AM
Money is understood to have exchanged hands, and the remains of Madeleine McCann were thus not physically handed over to the parents, in so much as they were only told of the exact location of where she had originally been buried. The hand over of fund Money to Sergei Malinka by the McCanns took place after a settlement was reached to extracate Malinka from any knowledge or involvement in Madeleine's demise / disappearance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 11:55:AM
Money is understood to have exchanged hands, and the remains of Madeleine McCann were thus not physically handed over to the parents, in so much as they were only told of the exact location of where she had originally been buried. The hand over of fund Money to Sergei Malinka by the McCanns took place after a settlement was reached to extracate Malinka from any knowledge or involvement in Madeleine's demise / disappearance..

 The original burial site of Madeleine's body was in the shallow grave in a corner of the derelict buildings rear garden..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 12:01:PM
What is known is that Madeleine's remains were dug up, and placed into a black sports type holdall belonging Gerry McCann. This holdall had been captured on a shelf in the parents bedroom  in a photograph taken by the police at the beginning of the police investigation - it eventually vanished off the face of the earth, rather somewhat conveniently, without any explanation from either parent as to its whereabouts...

It is suspected that monies handed over to Malinka by the McCanns, was provisionally carried inside the black sports holdall, but that after the money exchanged hands, the parents had retained it with a view to transferring Madeleine's remains into it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 12:09:PM
During those first few weeks after Madeleine had been reported as taken from apartment 5a, the parents introduced the abduction theme into the case...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 12:21:PM
During those first few weeks after Madeleine had been reported as taken from apartment 5a, the parents introduced the abduction theme into the case...

The longer time moved on, the more determined the parents were to keep pushing the abduction theme.

But Madeleine had not been abducted, she had been handed over to Sergei Malinka with a view to him arranging for the body to be disposed of. Had Madeleine's body been found during the intensive search areas during the early days of the missing person investigation, the parents were obviously going to be relying on an abduction theory. But as timed moved on, it got to the stage where the McCann couple themselves wanted to choose Madeleine's last resting place...

It would seem, that the abductor scenario had some sort of a warped merit - because the McCann parents had expected the return of Madeleine's remains, but that people involved in the scheme (Malinka and Murat) were holding out for payment before they handed or gave the bodily remains back to the control of the parents..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 12:27:PM
 So, in a way, the disappearance of Madiliene McCann from apartment 5a, could be interpreted as some sort of an abduction, although she was already dead when she left apartment 5a for the last time in Gerry McCanns arms, and she was still dead, when Malinka and Murat refused to hand the body back, or tell them where she was buried until they had received a substantial payment for the services they had provided, and a proviso that once such a settlement had been agreed, that the parents could not point a finger of suspicion at Malinka or Murat...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 07:14:PM
Malinka would have known about the secluded part of the rear garden of the derelict building because he was a local resident, like Robert Murat. He would have known the entry points to gain access, one such entry point was via the side gate of the derelict building, the other was via the patio terrace on the side of a pub ( which to be fair would require lowering ones self down a boundary wall which separated the rear garden of the derelict building, with the pub)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 21, 2019, 10:01:PM
So, in a way, the disappearance of Madiliene McCann from apartment 5a, could be interpreted as some sort of an abduction, although she was already dead when she left apartment 5a for the last time in Gerry McCanns arms, and she was still dead, when Malinka and Murat refused to hand the body back, or tell them where she was buried until they had received a substantial payment for the services they had provided, and a proviso that once such a settlement had been agreed, that the parents could not point a finger of suspicion at Malinka or Murat...

A long time later, the McCanns made available to their private detective agency Metedor 3, funds to test Malinka's resolve, by offerring him hundreds of thousands of pounds, for Malinka to tell all..

But he was having none of it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 23, 2019, 10:03:PM
McCanns and their friends have lied about the moment it was known that Maddie's life had been finally taken, that she was gone. Everything points to her being dead prior to 9.30pm, if that be true (and it is) somebody else, other than Kate McCann found / knew that she had died, sometime after 9pm and 9.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 23, 2019, 10:18:PM
The McCann team version ofthe alleged events, is crooked, , dishonest, and very misleading..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 23, 2019, 10:22:PM
The McCann team version ofthe alleged events, is crooked, , dishonest, and very misleading..

Any body else, in the McCann parent script, would have been interviewed, charged and kept in custody, until their trial, at peril of somehow being found 'not guilty'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 23, 2019, 10:23:PM
U can't believe what the McCann gang have to say on the matter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 23, 2019, 10:25:PM
The latest Netflix documentary does not do justice to the life which was, ' Madeleine McCann' ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 23, 2019, 10:27:PM
Madeleine died in apartment 5a sometime after 9pm - 9.15pm, on evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 23, 2019, 10:29:PM
Madeleine died in apartment 5a sometime after 9pm - 9.15pm, on evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007...

It's factual x
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 24, 2019, 09:16:AM
All the tapas group members (with the exception of Diane Webster) could'nt have all left their table by 9.30pm, and 10pm, because the real moment when news broke regarding Madeleine being taken and gone, could only have occurred once - there could not be two alerts at least half an hour apart, and because Kate McCann claims she went to do the only check she claims to had made on that evening was supposedly at 10pm, or thereabouts (9.50pm), someone else other than her must have broken the news that Madeleine's life had been taken, and that the short life she had lived, was gone in order for almost all of the tapas group members including Kate and Gerry McCann themselves to flee from the restaurant by 9.30pm, and not any later...

There also exists evidence from an Ocean club executive, that at least one couple knew that Madeleine was supposedly missing from apartment 5a by 9.15pm that same evening. How could the couple at the table, have known from as early as 9.15pm that Madeleine had been taken, or that she was already gone by that early stage, if (a) the true timing of the alert concerning Madeleine McCanns disappearence wasn't discovered until after Kate McCann had done her 9.50 - 10pm check, (b) that 8 of the group members had fled the restaurant table by 9.30pm to go to the McCann apartment, and that (c) the table at which three couples ( including Kate and Gerry McCann) had been sitting at during evening dinner earlier, was totally unoccupied for a period of 15 minutes between 9.30pm - 9.45pm. (d) That at 9.45pm Diane Webster had returned to the restaurant table, (e) with no evidence that any of the other 8 absenteeisms returned back to the table at any time before 9.50pm - 10pm, (f) that since Kate McCann can't still have been present at the tapas bar at any stage after 9.30pm, she could not have left at 9.50pm - 10pm to do the check of apartment 5a as she claims to have done because she was already back at her apartment by 9.30pm, (g) therefore, not only could she not have left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.50pm -10pm, she could not have had the experiences of the following alleged events, (h) the purported slamming of the children's bedroom door, (I) the whoosing of the bedroom window curtains, (j) noticing that the bedroom window had been slid open, (k) noticing that the external steel shutter to the same bedroom window had been forced open and raised, (l) Kate could not have discovered Madeleine was missing during this alleged 9.50 - 10pm check, (m) she could not have searched all the rooms looking for Madeleine, (n) she would not have left the other two siblings Alone in their cots, whilst going all the way back to alert an imaginary audience of all the other group members that Madeleine had been taken, or that she was gone, because 8 of the 9 adult members of the group had already all left by 9.30pm, without any evidence that any of them returned to the vacated restaurant any time between 9.30pm and 9.45pm, with the exception of Diane Webster, (0) the whole group of the 8 members not counting Kate McCann herself, couldn't have all dashed from the tapas bar restaurant altogether reacting to Kate McCanns alert, because none of them with the exception of Diane Webster could possible still have been at the restaurant table, (p) Kate and Gerry McCann could not have run together from the tapas bar back to their apartment because neither of them could have been there by 10pm, to experience Kate McCanns 10pm alert, (q) none of the people at the apartment at 10pm, describe that the children's bedroom window was slid open, (r) or that the steel shutter of the same window had been raised, (s), despite a huge number of people entering apartment 5a after Madeleine had been taken, or gone (by 9.15pm, 9.30pm or as the case may be 10pm), nobody says which of the two doors to apartment 5a, the sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises, or the front door on the roadside of the premises. In order to enter apartment 5a, a person would have had to walk directly past the steel shuttered children's bedroom window, and that door was the only door which could be lockable from outside the door when occupants left or were leaving or entering, the sliding patio door could not be locked externally, only either locked, or unlocked from the inside, (t) Gerry McCann who was seen by the Smith contingency at 9.50pm, when he was carrying Madeleine's body away to either be disposed of by himself, or to hand her body over to somebody living in an apartment close to the sightings made by the Smiths, (u) Gerry McCann had ample time to play his part, dispose or hand over Madeleine's body, to a local resident accomplice, and return back to apartment 5a in time for the first alert that was made to the PJ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 24, 2019, 09:23:AM
Now, it seems somewhat obvious to me, that the drugging of children in the group by a parent or other, or another adult member in the group, rests at the heart of what happened to Madeleine McCann. I think group members children were all medicated to allow parents to go out in the evenings wining and dining. It is no coincidence that the McCann twins, Sean and Amelia, slept through the commotion without batting an eyelid, and that Kate McCann spoke of how tired Madeleine had been on the last day. Also, on the same evening that Madeleine vanished off the face of the earth, Russell OBrien and Jane Tanner's daughter who was of a similar age to Madeleine had been vommitting and was unwell.

On the morning of 3rd May 2007, Kate McCann had to wash Madeleine's pink pyjama set because it had vommit all over it. The same day that the O'Brien / Tanner child  became unwell. According to the McCann parents, it was on the morning of 3rd May 2007 that Madeleine had asked them why they hadn't come to tend them during the night when she and Sean had been crying?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 25, 2019, 11:28:AM

On the morning of 3rd May 2007, Kate McCann had to wash Madeleine's pink pyjama set because it had vommit all over it. The same day that the O'Brien / Tanner child  became unwell. According to the McCann parents, it was on the morning of 3rd May 2007 that Madeleine had asked them why they hadn't come to tend them during the night when she and Sean had been crying?

This episode supposedly occurred after the evening of 2nd May 2007 / breakfast time on the morning of 3rd May 2007, which is Interesting because according to what Madeleine told Kate that morning, both she and Sean had both been crying  - however, on the previous evening of 1st May 2007, the constant crying of a single child had been overheard, lasting over one hour and fifthteen minutes (between 10.30 - 11.45pm), only ceasing at 11.45pm accompanied by the sound of apartment 5a 's patio door being slid open, and a child's voice saying, 'daddy, daddy'...

Obviously then, two separate events, since on the latter occasion, Madeleine and Sean had been crying and neither mummy or daddy attended their upset, whereas in the former event, a single child was heard to be crying for a period of one hour and fifthteen minutes (10.30 - 11.45pm) crying which only ceased when the patio door on the poolside had slid open, and the crying child (not children), ceasing to cry any further, and calling out, 'daddy, daddy'...

Two consecutive nights of crying then in the McCann apartment, one on evening of 1st, when daddy did turn up, and must have known that Madeliene had been crying and was upset, and a second occasion on evening of 2nd May 2007, when Madeleine and Sean had been crying, and neither parent were present...

So, what we can see is a pattern of behaviour on the part of the McCann parents - since at the time of the prolonged crying of a single child on evening of 1st May 2007, it stopped after the patio door of apartment 5a was slid open. This suggests that on that particular evening that the parents had left the apartment by the patio door which could not be locked from the outside, and if they had left at the usual time of 8.30pm it meant that by the time Gerry McCann returned to apartment 5a at 11.45pm, that the McCanns had probably left their three siblings alone in an unlocked apartment for about three hours and fifthteen minutes - evidence exists to show that the McCann parents visited Chaplin's bar on the evening of 1st May 2007, in other words they were a long way from their apartment at the Ocean Club, they had been drinking in a bar down close to the beach...

On evening of 3rd May 2007, the McCanns left the patio door open again, with their three siblings unprotected...

It's odds on, that when they went out on the evening of 2nd May 2007, that they also left unlocked the patio door on the poolside of the building putting their siblings at risk, or in danger..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:13:PM

Obviously then, two separate events, since on the latter occasion, Madeleine and Sean had been crying and neither mummy or daddy attended their upset, whereas in the former event, a single child was heard to be crying for a period of one hour and fifthteen minutes (10.30 - 11.45pm) crying which only ceased when the patio door on the poolside had slid open, and the crying child (not children), ceasing to cry any further, and calling out, 'daddy, daddy'...

Two consecutive nights of crying then in the McCann apartment, one on evening of 1st, when daddy did turn up, and must have known that Madeliene had been crying and was upset, and a second occasion on evening of 2nd May 2007, when Madeleine and Sean had been crying, and neither parent were present...

On evening 1st May 2007, the McCann parents and their friends could hardly be doing half hourly checks of 5a, etc whilst they were at Chaplin's bar down at the coast - hence, why the McCanns have sought to conceal their visit to Chaplin's bar on that occasion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:16:PM
On evening 1st May 2007, the McCann parents and their friends could hardly be doing half hourly checks of 5a, etc whilst they were at Chaplin's bar down at the coast - hence, why the McCanns have sought to conceal their visit to Chaplin's bar on that occasion...

At this time, the McCann parents were simply not dining less than 100 meters away from their apartment (at the Ocean club tapas bar restaurant), since it would have taken either one of them, or both between 6 - 10 minutes to go back to their apartment, and an equal amount of time to return to Chaplin's bar..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:19:PM
At this time, the McCann parents were simply not dining less than 100 meters away from their apartment (at the Ocean club tapas bar restaurant), since it would have taken either one of them, or both between 6 - 10 minutes to go back to their apartment, and an equal amount of time to return to Chaplin's bar..

At this time, on that occasion, the McCann parents left their three siblings in grave danger...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:20:PM
At this time, on that occasion, the McCann parents left their three siblings in grave danger...

One dead, an' two survivors!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:21:PM
The remaining siblings should be taken into the care of local (Leicester) Social Services immediately
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:23:PM
The remaining siblings should be taken into the care of local (Leicester) Social Services immediately

Questions need to be asked, and answers obtained, and or given...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:26:PM
As a victim of child sex abuse, myself, at the hands of one particular female member of my family, and people in authority whilst I was in their care, and under their control, I can recognise similarities in the instant case..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:28:PM
As a victim of child sex abuse, myself, at the hands of one particular female member of my family, and people in authority whilst I was in their care, and under their control, I can recognise similarities in the instant case..

I think that the parents of the three McCann children, are abusers...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:29:PM
Not only do they abuse themselves, but they are guilty of abusing their own children...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:31:PM
Not only do they abuse themselves, but they are guilty of abusing their own children...

If, as in the circumstances of this case, it was any other parent, or parents here in the UK, then the McCann parents would have had their surviving two siblings taken from them by local social services, upon their return to the UK...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:33:PM
The current Scotland yard investigation is part of a state cover up!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:34:PM
The current Scotland yard investigation is part of a state cover up!

Why?

You might ask...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:40:PM
A check needs to be made, regarding the possible affiliation of Gerry McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, and the other male principles in this case, thus far - all being part of the masonic community...

Since, the McCanns are being afforded far too much protection by the powers that be...

Freemasonry is on trial - let's put a stop to the fancy dances, the secret and funny handshakes, and the boiler than thou attitude. Child sex abuse is at the very heart of masonic chapter, and verse...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:42:PM
A check needs to be made, regarding the possible affiliation of Gerry McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, and the other male principles in this case, thus far - all being part of the masonic community...

Since, the McCanns are being afforded far too much protection by the powers that be...

Freemasonry is on trial - let's put a stop to the fancy dances, the secret and funny handshakes, and the boiler than thou attitude. Child sex abuse is at the very heart of masonic chapter, and verse...

Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
Clarence Mitchell
Robert Murat
Gerry McCann

All freemasons, compelled to come to the aide of fellow freemasons...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:43:PM
Power corrupts...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:44:PM
Power corrupts...

Quite often, those in power or who have authority are themselves corrupted...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:49:PM
The McCann parents should be prosecuted and made to stand trial, here in the UK as a matter of public concern, because they have sought to abuse the minds, and soul of everyone, by lying about the alleged events on 3rd May 2007, in order to try and get as many people as possible on their side...

But..

There are those amongst us, who cannot be so easily fooled, a lie is a lie, after all, and lies are lies, it's not possible to lie your way to the truth...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:51:PM

There are those amongst us, who cannot be so easily fooled, a lie is a lie, after all, and lies are lies, it's not possible to lie your way to the truth...

Universal truth has no inconsistencies, ambiguities or contradictions in the telling of the tale...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 06:59:PM
The McCann entourage have told a pack of lies, and continue to tell a pack of lies - they must be prosecuted and stand trial in the UK as a matter of public interest, and in order to maintain and prevent damage to the integrity of the UK Criminal Justice system...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 07:02:PM
The McCann entourage have told a pack of lies, and continue to tell a pack of lies - they must be prosecuted and stand trial in the UK as a matter of public interest, and in order to maintain and prevent damage to the integrity of the UK Criminal Justice system...

Anyone, in the UK can bring a private criminal prosecution against the McCanns - the cops, and the government can't stop anyone from exercising this right!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 26, 2019, 07:04:PM
Anyone, in the UK can bring a private criminal prosecution against the McCanns - the cops, and the government can't stop anyone from exercising this right!

Everyone, must surely know that Scotland yards investigation into this case, is farcicle, and a complete waste of public monies...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 01:46:PM
Time of alert, dragged out to after 10pm, when the alert was really raised by 9.20pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 02:04:PM
Time of alert, dragged out to after 10pm, when the alert was really raised by 9.20pm...

The sighting of TANNERMAN by Jane Tanner, and the sighting of SMITHMAN by the Smith family were why two timed events helped to shape the introduction of false alibis for the McCann parents, initially to delay the alert that Madeleine was missing until just after 10pm, and secondly by altering the timing of the alert, how could Gerry McCann have been the man seen carrying a child in his arms by the Smith family at 9.50pm, because officially the alert that Maddie had gone Missing had not occurred until after the timing of the Smith family sighting...

Kate McCann went to do her check at 9.50pm, the same time as the Smith sighting (9.50pm)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 02:14:PM
Three couples sat at the same table during evening dinner at the tapas bar, one of the couples being Kate and Gerry McCann, another couple being Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, a third couple, being Mathew and Rachel Oldfield - so where did one couple (David and Fiona Payne) sit and eat dinner, and Diane Webster?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 02:17:PM
Three couples sat at the same table during evening dinner at the tapas bar, one of the couples being Kate and Gerry McCann, another couple being Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, a third couple, being Mathew and Rachel Oldfield - so where did one couple (David and Fiona Payne) sit and eat dinner, and also Diane Webster?

Only six of the tapas 9 group of adults, were sat at the same restaurant table at the same time...

Were three people away from the tapas bar restaurant table at any one time or another between 9pm, and 9.20pm..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 02:21:PM

Were three people away from the tapas bar restaurant table at any one time or another between 9pm, and 9.20pm..

Who were the three absenteeism?

Gerry McCann
Mathew Oldfield
Kate McCann

Or

Mathew Oldfield
Russell O'Brien
Jayne Tanner..

Or

Diane Webster
David Payne
Fiona Payne..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 02:47:PM
The fact that Madeleine's disappearance was alerted to people at the tapas bar restaurant by 9.15pm, that evening - exposes the lies told by the mcCanns and their friends...

Maddie's disappearance was not alerted to after 10pm, it was common knowledge that people at the tapas bar restaurant had news of the disappearance some 45 minutes beforehand ( by 9.15pm)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 05:33:PM
The fact that Madeleine's disappearance was alerted to people at the tapas bar restaurant by 9.15pm, that evening - exposes the lies told by the mcCanns and their friends...

Maddie's disappearance was not alerted to after 10pm, it was common knowledge that people at the tapas bar restaurant had news of the disappearance some 45 minutes beforehand ( by 9.15pm)...

By 9.30pm, the table at which three couples had been eating evening dinner,  had become vacated - where did everyone disappear to, what caused everyone to flee the tapas bar and run back to the McCann apartment (5a). By 9.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 05:39:PM
Gerry McCann was not at the tapas bar restaurant at any stage after 9.30pm, the suggestion that he remained there until after 10pm, when Kate went and did the imaginary 10pm check, Madeleine's disappearance had already been known about and was being spoken about by a couple at the tapas bar (9.15pm - 9.20pm)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 06:01:PM
Gerry McCann was not at the tapas bar restaurant at any stage after 9.30pm, the suggestion that he remained there until after 10pm, when Kate went and did the imaginary 10pm check, Madeleine's disappearance had already been known about and was being spoken about by a couple at the tapas bar (9.15pm - 9.20pm)..

That couple, who were creating a commotion at about 9.20pm, along the lines of a child belonging to an ocean Club guest, had gone missing out of their apartment, is almost certainly a reference to the couple, Steven and Mrs Carpenter, who left the tapas bar between 9.15 - 9.30pm. en route back to their own apartment, and upon crossing the street of the vicinity of the patio door on the poolside of apartment 5a, Mrs Carpenter heard a voice calling out the name, 'Madeliene, Madeliene', which almost certainly was the voice of Kate McCann...

But, how could this be true, if Kate only went to check apartment 5a at 10pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 06:03:PM
The contents of Mrs Carpenters witness statement has never been disclosed by the PJ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 06:08:PM
The contents of Mrs Carpenters witness statement has never been disclosed by the PJ...

I believe this was because Mrs Carpenter heard a females voice, calling out the name, ' Madeleine, Madeliene', as the carpenters left the vicinity of the tapas bar, between 9.15 - 9.30pm...

Not to be forgotten, is the fact that by 9.30pm, the table at which three couples had been seated during evening dinner, was vacated by 9.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 06:12:PM
A female voice, calling out aloud, 'Madeliene, Madeleine', between 9.15 - 9.30pm which coincided with the departure of the Carpenter couple from their evening dinner at the tapas bar restuarant.

But...

Who was the females voice?

Kate McCann's
Jane Tanner's?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 06:13:PM
A female voice, calling out aloud, 'Madeliene, Madeleine', between 9.15 - 9.30pm which coincided with the departure of the Carpenter couple from their evening dinner at the tapas bar restuarant.

But...

Who was the females voice?

Kate McCann's
Jane Tanner's?

The plot thickens..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 06:19:PM
Because of the ongoing plot to eliminate the McCann involvement in Madeleine McCanns demise, and the involvement of the British Government in the cover up in this case, it begs the question if there is a masonic link in this matter?

Gerry McCann
Mathew Oldfield
Russell O'Brien
David Payne
Clarence Mitchell
Gordon Brown
Tony Blair
Robert Murat

Are all of these named people all members of the freemason movement?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 27, 2019, 06:23:PM
Somebody who can afford to do it, should take out a private Criminal prosecution, against all the adult members of the so called tapas nine group? Included in this private criminal prosecution, shall be named Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Robert Murratt, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, David Payne, and Clarence Mitchell, and possibly, others yet to be named...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 28, 2019, 09:58:AM
Somebody who can afford to do it, should take out a private Criminal prosecution, against all the adult members of the so called tapas nine group? Included in this private criminal prosecution, shall be named Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Robert Murratt, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, David Payne, and Clarence Mitchell, and possibly, others yet to be named...

And..

Gerry McCann
Kate McCann
Jane Tanner
FionaPayne
 Diane Webster
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 28, 2019, 10:00:AM
To my knowledge, there has never been such a blatant miscarriage of Justice, since the halocaust - team McCann and their supporters are nothing but a different version displaced in time of the modern day Nazis!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 28, 2019, 10:04:AM
I found Gerry McCanns wrist watch on the concrete ledge behind the sea wall of the derelict buildings rear garden...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 28, 2019, 10:05:AM
I found Gerry McCanns wrist watch on the concrete ledge behind the sea wall of the derelict buildings rear garden...

I sent pictures of the wrist watch to the PJ in 2010
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 28, 2019, 03:39:PM
If Madeleine McCann was abducted, there would be no need to switch the time of the alert (that she was missing), from around 9.15pm, to after 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 28, 2019, 03:40:PM
If Madeleine McCann was abducted, there would be no need to switch the time of the alert (that she was missing), from around 9.15pm, to after 10pm...
  Think, long and hard...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 06:34:AM
Somebody arrived at the Ocean Club restaurant Bar at around 9.15pm, with knowledge that Madeleine was already missing. This is borne out by the witness statement of an Ocean Club Executive, who arrived to work in the tapas bar restaurant at 9.10pm. At this time he parked his car in the street outside the small entrance to the tapas bar. He saw no-one in the street, and shortly after arriving inside the restaurant he became aware of a commotion which upon investigation he discovered that a couple who were sat at one of the tables were talking about the fact that a little girl aged about 3 years of age, belonging to guests of the ocean club, had gone missing from their apartment (he overheard the couple discussing this matter at around 9.15pm.

Identifying who this couple were should be a priority!

Was it Gerry and Kate McCann?
Was it Mathew and Rachelle Oldfield?
Was it Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner?
Was it David and Fiona Payne?
Was it Steven and Charlotte Carpenter?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 06:38:AM

Identifying who this couple were should be a priority!

Was it Gerry and Kate McCann?
Was it Mathew and Rachelle Oldfield?
Was it Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner?
Was it David and Fiona Payne?
Was it Steven and Charlotte Carpenter?

If the Executive employee were to identify the McCann parents as being the couple sat at the table discussing this matter at 9.15pm, then obviously the game as it currently stands would be over and dealt with...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 06:57:AM
What I would like to know, is who this couple were /are?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 07:00:AM
What I would like to know, is who this couple were /are?

The Ocean Club executive must be able to either confirm that the couple in question, were not the McCann Parents, or that they were..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 07:11:AM
If the couple at the centre of this matter were the McCann Parents, then obviously it has the ramifications of helping to convict them both of Conspiracy to Commit murder, and perverting the course of Justice..

On the other hand..

If the couple, were Mathew and Rachelle Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner David and Fiona Payne, or as the case may be Steven and Charlotte Carpenter, it could be an indication that Madeleine had been abducted - ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 07:16:AM
But which couple were in conversation at that table by 9.15pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 08:13:AM
But which couple were in conversation at that table by 9.15pm?

David and Fiona Payne?

Or

Russell 0'Brien / Jane Tanner?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 08:20:AM
David and Fiona Payne?

They arrived at the tapas restaurant shortly after 9pm, that evening - so, they could have been the couple who by 9.15pm had been sat at a table, talking about the fact that a little girl who belonged to Ocean Club guests had gone missing from their apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 08:48:AM
Russell 0'Brien / Jane Tanner?
Failing that, something does not sound quite right regarding the activities of O'Brien and Tanner, from 9pm, onwards. For example, with regards to the checking of their own apartments by both in /during a crucial half hour period between 9pm - 9.30pm - Russell O'Brien stating that he went to do a check at 9pm, without stating what time if any he had returned to the tapas bar restaurant in time for him to leave again along with Mathew Oldfield to carry out the 9.30pm checks...

On the other hand, then (a) there is the controversy surrounding Jane Tanner's leaving of the tapas bar at 9.10pm on the pretense that she was worried that Gerry McCann had taken such a long period in time to do his 9pm apartment check, and (b) the claim that upon leaving the small reception entrance how she has seen both Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street, and (c) the more obvious introduction of a single bloke carrying off a child in his arms (not seen by anyone else) on that occasion (9.10pm), an alleged sighting which she did not tell Gerry and Kate McCann about until the following date (4th May 2007) -  this to me, (d) seems to fit in snugly with  what the couple at the tapas table were overheard to be speaking about by 9.15pm..

Where,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 08:50:AM
Failing that, something does not sound quite right regarding the activities of O'Brien and Tanner, from 9pm, onwards. For example, with regards to the checking of their own apartments by both in /during a crucial half hour period between 9pm - 9.30pm - Russell O'Brien stating that he went to do a check at 9pm, without stating what time if any he had returned to the tapas bar restaurant in time for him to leave again along with Mathew Oldfield to carry out the 9.30pm checks...

On the other hand, then (a) there is the controversy surrounding Jane Tanner's leaving of the tapas bar at 9.10pm on the pretense that she was worried that Gerry McCann had taken such a long period in time to do his 9pm apartment check, and (b) the claim that upon leaving the small reception entrance how she has seen both Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street, and (c) the more obvious introduction of a single bloke carrying off a child in his arms (not seen by anyone else) on that occasion (9.10pm), an alleged sighting which she did not tell Gerry and Kate McCann about until the following date (4th May 2007) -  this to me, (d) seems to fit in snugly with  what the couple at the tapas table were overheard to be speaking about by 9.15pm..

In other words, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner are the Most likeliest persons to have been responsible for bringing news to the tapas bar restaurant, that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCanns apartment (5a), and/or that they might have been the couple at the tapas bar overheard talking (9.15pm) about a little girl having gone missing from an Ocean Clubs apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 09:13:PM
The fact that the exact whereabouts of O'Brien / Tanner (9pm - 9.30pm), between the tapas restaurant and their apartment, at any given time, and the claim that their daughter became ill after Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restaurant together at 9.30pm, (effectively some 15 minutes after people at the tapas bar had knowledge that Madeleine had already gone missing), and that Jane Tanner was the person who introduced the man carrying a child in his arms, gIving Gerry McCann an alibi, because he was in the street talking to Jez Wilkins, at the time TANNERMAN was sighted walking away from the location of the McCann apartment, paved the way for the introduction of the abduction narrative. However, Jane Tanner did not tell the McCann parents of this sighting until the following day...

Must have some bearing on what really happened to Madeleine's body!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 09:45:PM
According to two members of the Ocean Club staff, the table where three couples had been seated during evening meal was totally abandoned by 9.30pm until 9.45pm, after which the same table had a single elderly female (Diane Webster) sat there from 9.45pm, onwards...

This is consistent with people at the restaurant knowing about the fact that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann apartment, by 9.15pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 09:58:PM
According to two members of the Ocean Club staff, the table where three couples had been seated during evening meal was totally abandoned by 9.30pm until 9.45pm, after which the same table had a single elderly female (Diane Webster) sat there from 9.45pm, onwards...

This is consistent with people at the restaurant knowing about the fact that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann apartment, by 9.15pm...

If people at the tapas restuarant knew at 9.15pm that Madeleine was missing from the McCann apartment, why did it take a further 45 minutes for Kate McCann to discover Madeleine missing from the same apartment? Somebody knew that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann apartment, the Executive witness who witnessed a couple talking about the missing child at 9.15pm, should be able to recognise the couple involved...

Identifying this couple (9.15pm, incident) by the executive member of staff, will be a catalyst in the search for the truth, in this investigation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2019, 09:59:PM
Identify the (9.15pm incident) couple, solve the mystery, simples, in it!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 11:35:AM
How did this couple know that Madeleine McCann had already gone missing from the McCanns apartment (5a) by 9.15pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 11:38:AM
How did this couple know that Madeleine McCann had already gone missing from the McCanns apartment (5a) by 9.15pm?

This couple hold vital information about the truth surrounding Madeleine's disappearance, whether she left or was taken out of the McCann apartment, dead, or alive, prior to 9.15pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 11:41:AM
Who told the couple that Madeleine McCann had gone missing out of the McCann apartment before 9.15pm, that evening, to enable the couple to be discussing it openly, so that an Ocean Club executive overheard what they were talking about at that time?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 11:44:AM
Who told the couple that Madeleine McCann had gone missing out of the McCann apartment before 9.15pm, that evening, to enable the couple to be discussing it openly, so that an Ocean Club executive overheard what they were talking about at that time?

There must have been someone else at the tapas restaurant by that stage (9.15pm) who had that knowledge...

Cops should be concentrating therefore on at least three different individuals who knew about Madeleine's disappearance from the McCann apartment by 9.15pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 11:56:AM
How come, if at least a minimum of three persons had this knowledge at the tapas restaurant at that (9.15pm) time, that none of the 9 adult members of the McCann entourage, who had all been present at the tapas bar prior to 9.15pm, didn't know that Madeleine had already gone missing from the McCann apartment any time sooner than just after 10pm, when Kate McCann carried out an imaginary check of their apartment only to discover that Madeleine was missing?

At least three other people at the tapas restaurant by 9.15pm, knew Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann apartment, in fact one couple were discussing it openly whilst sitting at one of the restaurant tables at that (9.15pm) stage...

We are now moving ever closer to finding out the truth, regarding what really did happen to Madeleine McCann, and why her body went missing from the McCann apartment...

If none of the official tapas 9 group members were involved, in Madeleine's demise, or the disappearance of her body from the family apartment at the Ocean Club, then it means that at least three other guests were present at the restaurant prior to and inclusive of the time of 9.15pm, that Madeleine McCann went Missing, long before the McCann parents did, or anyone else in the group!...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 12:10:PM
If we assume that the couple who were sat at one of the restaurant tables by 9.15pm who were talking about Madeleine McCann having gone missing from the McCann apartment by that stage - they must have got that information from someone else!

This begs the question, did such an informant speak to the couple directly, or in confidence, or did the mystery couple overhear others talking about the disappearance of Madeleine, and if so, who was the informant, and or, who was talking to whom at the time the 9.15pm couple, overheard what they overheard?

If such an informant did not speak directly to the 9.15pm, couple, is it possible that the couple themselves gleaned such information as s result of eavesdropping a conversation, or a series of conversations which included the involvement or participation of one or more of the tapas 9 group?

It is imperative that, (a) the Ocean Club Executive identifies the couple who were sat together at a table talking about it, (b) that police find out from them, how they had come about this information so soon in the evening, and whether someone talked to them directly about it, or whether the information was gleaned by eavesdropping the conversation or conversations of other people, and if so did such people belong to the tapas 9 group, (c) find out whether such an informant had themselves overheard someone else talking about the disappearance of Madeleine, and the circumstances in which that information had become circulated?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 12:25:PM
It becomes somewhat obvious that there were potentially several individuals present at the tapas restaurant that knew, or had been told, that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann apartment, and that this was common knowledge leading up to and inclusive of 9.15pm...

Now, if the purpose here is one of trying to get to the absolute truth of the matter - it's simples, init...

Check the guest list at the tapas restaurant up to 9.15pm, and eliminate one by one from being either, (a) the couple, or (b) the informant who was the source of the couples knowledge that Madeleine McCann had already been known to have disappeared from the McCann apartment before / by 9.15pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 12:29:PM
If the cops, pursue this matter, as I have outlined, sooner or later someone is going to say or have to admit how they knew what they had said was true! Because it was that person who was involved in the disappearance of the child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 01:07:PM
If the cops, pursue this matter, as I have outlined, sooner or later someone is going to say or have to admit how they knew what they had said was true! Because it was that person who was involved in the disappearance of the child...

The other people involved in the chain of events, were told about it, overheard it being spoke about by someone else, and spoke about it themselves.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 01:27:PM
Executives statement extract:-

A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. Given the importance of this, believed that he should be in the surroundings. At that moment, he did not leave the area of the restaurant, and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location;

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 01:43:PM
Executives statement extract:-

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Please note, that the McCann couple were amongst the three couples who had been dining together at 9.15pm at the restaurant, and that on This Executives account, who had all left the table in question by 9.40pm...

Another member of staff who saw the three couples sat at the same table at meal time, stated that by 9.30pm that this same table was completely vacated...

In a third account, another member of staff viewed the same table, at 9.45pm, confirming that there was only an elderly lady (Diane Webster) sat at that table...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 01:48:PM
Yet, based on the team McCann collection of statements, at least 8 of the 9 adult members were still sat at the dining table until around 10pm when Kate McCann got up to do the imaginary 10pm check, at which stage she discovered Madeleine to be missing (despite at least several other people at the same restaurant already knowing that Madeleine had supposedly already gone missing by 9.15pm, or earlier)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 02:22:PM
Yet, based on the team McCann collection of statements, at least 8 of the 9 adult members were still sat at the dining table until around 10pm when Kate McCann got up to do the imaginary 10pm check, at which stage she discovered Madeleine to be missing (despite at least several other people at the same restaurant already knowing that Madeleine had supposedly already gone missing by 9.15pm, or earlier)...

How come that none of the Ocean Club staff in the restaurant saw these 8 or nine members of the same group sat at their dining table at any stage from 9.30pm, onward (with the exception of Diane Webster who was seen sitting alone at a table where three couples had previously been dining)..

Since, if at any stage after 9.30pm there had not been anybody (with the exception of diamond Webster) sat there at that table, how could Kate McCann have risen from that table to go and do her 10pm check? How could all the others with the exception of Russell O'Brien have still been sat there at that table until Kate returned to the tapas bar after checking the apartment and discovering Madeleine taken?

Why would Kate McCann run back to the tapas bar to alert everyone who was supposedly still there, that Madeleine was 'gone', when the only person still there was Diane Webster?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 04, 2019, 02:27:PM
How...

Could Gerry McCann have still been sat at the dining table at around 10pm, and he be alerted there by his wife that Madeleine was no longer in their apartment, and how could he and Kate rush back to the apartment, after she supposedly alerted, if the only person sat at the table where the McCann couple and a further two couples had enjoyed their evening meal, had been Diane Webster from 9.45pm onwards?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 04:16:AM
How...

Could Gerry McCann have still been sat at the dining table at around 10pm, and he be alerted there by his wife that Madeleine was no longer in their apartment, and how could he and Kate rush back to the apartment, after she supposedly alerted, if the only person sat at the table where the McCann couple and a further two couples had enjoyed their evening meal, had been Diane Webster from 9.45pm onwards?

The three couples had all vacated their dining table, leaving personal items of clothing behind at 9.30pm, so this fact cannot easily be ignored. Where did Kate and Gerry McCann disappear to during the next half an hour or so, between 9.30pm and 10pm?

Because neither of them, or any of the other 7 group members were present at their table at any stage between 9.30pm and 9.45pm, and whereabouts were the McCann parents and 6 other group members, from 9.45pm, onwards, because during this period only Diane Webster was present at the table!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 04:24:AM
Seems perfectly logical to me, that information was circulating in the tapas bar restaurant environment that Madeleine was missing from the McCann apartment from around 9.15pm, or thereabouts...

So..

With this in mind, somebody alerted the McCann parents to the fact that Madeleine was missing from their apartment, at some point prior to 9.30pm, hence why the table where three couples had been sitting at the time of their evening meal, was completely vacated by 9.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 06:34:AM
Seems perfectly logical to me, that information was circulating in the tapas bar restaurant environment that Madeleine was missing from the McCann apartment from around 9.15pm, or thereabouts...

In addition, that the McCann parents and other members of the group, had all fled from the tapas bar restaurant by 9.30pm, at the very latest...

With this in mind, somebody alerted the McCann parents to the fact that Madeleine was missing from their apartment, at some point prior to 9.30pm, hence why the table where three couples had been sitting at the time of their evening meal, was completely vacated by 9.30pm...

None of the three couples who had been noted to have been sitting at a dining table, at any particular period in time, prior to 9.30pm, effectively returned to that table  at any stage after 9.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 09:18:AM
None of the three couples who had been noted to have been sitting at a dining table, at any particular period in time, prior to 9.30pm, effectively returned to that table  at any stage after 9.30pm...

So - where did these three couples disappear to?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 09:22:AM
One of these three couples were Kate and Gerry McCann, but according to their accounts neither of them didn't leave  the tapas restaurant until Kate McCann went and did her infamous check of her three children at apartment 5a until 10pm...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 09:29:AM
One of these three couples were Kate and Gerry McCann, but according to their accounts neither of them didn't leave  the tapas restaurant until Kate McCann went and did her infamous check of her three children at apartment 5a until 10pm...

Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien supposedly left the tapas restaurant at 9.30pm to do a check of their own apartments, and the McCanns apartment...

Therefore, it begs the question, whether or not the three couples who sat at the same table, were in fact (1) Kate and Gerry McCann, (2) Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, and (3) Mathew and Rachel Oldfield...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 09:39:AM
At 9.30pm, therefore, when Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restaurant to do their 9.30pm checks, there would have / should still have been Gerry and Kate McCann, Jane Tanner and Rachel Oldfield sat at the dining table from 9.30pm, inwards, but the dining table where the three couples had dined that evening was completely vacated from 9.30pm, onwards by any person belonging to any of those three couples. Instead what we find is that in their haste to leave the restaurant by 9.30pm that they left behind personal items of clothing which for a period of about 15 minutes (9.30pm to 9.45pm) remained there unsupervised, but that from 9.45pm, onwards, Diane Webster turned up at the said dining table acting as guardian...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 09:44:AM
At 9.30pm, therefore, when Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restaurant to do their 9.30pm checks, there would have / should still have been Gerry and Kate McCann, Jane Tanner and Rachel Oldfield sat at the dining table from 9.30pm, inwards, but the dining table where the three couples had dined that evening was completely vacated from 9.30pm, onwards by any person belonging to any of those three couples. Instead what we find is that in their haste to leave the restaurant by 9.30pm that they left behind personal items of clothing which for a period of about 15 minutes (9.30pm to 9.45pm) remained there unsupervised, but that from 9.45pm, onwards, Diane Webster turned up at the said dining table acting as guardian...

This is confirmed by reference to at least three members of the Ocean Club staff, albeit one member of staff (the executive) did not note that this particular table where the McCann parents and the others had been dining was completely vacated until 9.40pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 09:48:AM
This is confirmed by reference to at least three members of the Ocean Club staff, albeit one member of staff (the executive) did not note that this particular table where the McCann parents and the others had been dining was completely vacated until 9.40pm...
This is believed to have been the case in the instance of the Executives account because he did not see the table at which the three couples had been dining at any stage after 9.30pm, until 9.40pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 09:56:AM
What We have, therefore, are three independent accounts by members of the Ocean Club staff, regarding the state of play surrounding the occupancy of the dining table at which three couples had enjoyed their evening meal:-

(1) - the dining table was completely vacant of people by 9.30pm

(2) - the dining table was still completely vacant of any person at 9.40pm

(3) - Diane Webster was the only person sat at that table by 9.45pm

(4) - none of the three couples returned to that dining table to collect their personal belongings at any stage between 9.30pm and 10pm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 10:04:AM
What We have, therefore, are three independent accounts by members of the Ocean Club staff, regarding the state of play surrounding the occupancy of the dining table at which three couples had enjoyed their evening meal:-

(1) - the dining table was completely vacant of people by 9.30pm

(2) - the dining table was still completely vacant of any person at 9.40pm

(3) - Diane Webster was the only person sat at that table by 9.45pm

(4) - none of the three couples returned to that dining table to collect their personal belongings at any stage between 9.30pm and 10pm

Where did the three couples (Kate and Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, Mathew and Rachel Oldfield) all disappear to by 9.30pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 10:07:AM
If only Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas restaurant at 9.30pm, why wasn't the other four members of the three couples still sat there at the dining table?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 10:08:AM
If only Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas restaurant at 9.30pm, why wasn't the other four members of the three couples still sat there at the dining table?

The other four members of that particular group being Kate and Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner, and Rachel Oldfield?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 10:13:AM
Remember that it was supposedly during the 9.30pm visit to check the apartments by Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien that the latter stayed behind at his own apartment because his daughter was being sick, and so Jane Tanner was supposedly still sat at the dining table from 9.30pm onwards, engaged in conversation with Kate McCann, and Rachel Oldfield...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 05, 2019, 10:17:AM
Remember that it was supposedly during the 9.30pm visit to check the apartments by Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien that the latter stayed behind at his own apartment because his daughter was being sick, and so Jane Tanner was supposedly still sat at the dining table from 9.30pm onwards, engaged in conversation with Kate McCann, and Rachel Oldfield...

But, the simple facts are that from 9.30pm onwards, there was no-one sat at that dining table, until 9.45pm and that turned out to be Diane Webster who had presumably been sat at another table beforehand..

Why would Diane Webster leave her own table where she had been enjoying her evening meal at 9.45pm and go at sit at the vacated dining table where the three couples had sat during the evening meal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 01:45:PM
There can be little doubt that team McCann moved the time when it was first noticed that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann apartment by some 45 minutes, or so from the alert being raised at around 9.15pm, moved to just after 10pm, which created a window of opportunity, for everyone to get their stories together, and for the body of Madeleine to be disposed of out of the family apartment, masked behind the time frame deception...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 01:56:PM
There can be little doubt that team McCann moved the time when it was first noticed that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann apartment by some 45 minutes, or so from the alert being raised at around 9.15pm, moved to just after 10pm, which created a window of opportunity, for everyone to get their stories together, and for the body of Madeleine to be disposed of out of the family apartment, masked behind the time frame deception...


Gerry McCann could not possibly have been sitting at the dining table throughout the half hour period between 9.30pm and 10pm, because according to the witness statements of three Ocean Club employees, the table at which the McCann parents ate their evening meal earlier, was completely vacated by 9.30pm, and the only tapas group member who ever returned to that vacated dining table, was one Diane Webster who was seen and spoken to by one member of staff at about 9.45pm She remained there alone until after 10pm - in the meantime, where was Gerry McCann and the other eight members of the so called tapas nine group?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 02:03:PM
Everybody but Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien should have remained behind at the tapas restaurant from 9.30pm, onwards, until around 10pm, when Kate McCann supposedly left to go and do her own check of the McCann apartment, only to supposedly discover Madeleine missing, dash back to the restaurant to raise the alarm, etc..


Kate McCann wasn't there at the tapas restuarant at any stage after 9.30pm, or before 10pm...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 02:08:PM
Everybody but Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien should have remained behind at the tapas restaurant from 9.30pm, onwards, until around 10pm, when Kate McCann supposedly left to go and do her own check of the McCann apartment, only to supposedly discover Madeleine missing, dash back to the restaurant to raise the alarm, etc..


Kate McCann wasn't there at the tapas restuarant at any stage after 9.30pm, or before 10pm...

She didn't leave the tapas bar restaurant at about 10pm to go do her supposed check of the McCann apartment. She already knew that there was something wrong back at their apartment long before 9.30pm that evening..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 02:14:PM
Was it just a coincidence that the Carpenter couple left the tapas restaurant between 9.15pm - 9.30pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 04:09:PM
Was it just a coincidence that the Carpenter couple left the tapas restaurant between 9.15pm - 9.30pm?


Or, that An Ocean Executive reacted to a commotion raised by a couple at a dining table, who were talking excitedly about the fact that a child had gone missing from a guests apartment (9.15pm), and that the table at which the McCann couple and two other couples became completely vacated by 9.30pm?

Remember also, that Mrs Carpenter, overheard someone calling out the name, Madeleine, Madeleine, as she and her husband crossed over to the other side of the street in the vicinity of the McCann apartment, between 9.15pm - 9.30pm...


With this in mind, consider the claim that once Kate McCann had visited her apartment around 10pm, and discovered Madeleine gone, that upon returning to the restuarant to alert the others, how everyone ran back in the direction of the McCann apartment , followed by different people running around calling out Madeleines name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'..

Maybe, the name calling mentioned by Mrs Carpenter, which she overheard as she and her husband were crossing the street close to the McCann apartment, was evidence of that / this? Did Mrs Carpenter inadvertently witness the aftermath of people knowing that Madeleine had gone missing between 9.15pm - 9.30pm, (half an hour or so before the official team Mccann alert that Madeleine hadn't been known to be missing until after 10pm)?


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 04:17:PM
Seems highly likely to me, that the couple who had caused a commotion at a table in the restaurant at about 9.15pm - 9.20pm, was the Carpenter couple?

Seems to me, also that Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien  left to go back to the apartment block at 9.20pm, and not 9.30pm. and that they went there in the knowledge that Madeleine was going to be reported missing, something they had known about by around 9.15pm that same evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 04:25:PM
Seems highly likely to me, that the couple who had caused a commotion at a table in the restaurant at about 9.15pm - 9.20pm, was the Carpenter couple?

Seems to me, also that Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien  left to go back to the apartment block at 9.20pm, and not 9.30pm. and that they went there in the knowledge that Madeleine was going to be reported missing, something they had known about by around 9.15pm that same evening...

There is every reason for believing that the other tapas nine group members also left the tapas restaurant shortly after Oldfield and O'Brien at 9.20pm. Hence, why by 9.30pm the dinner table at which the McCann parents and two other couples had eaten their evening meals, earlier - The Carpenter couple must have left after everyone by about 9.30pm, so that Mrs Carpenter could overhear one of the McCann party calling out Madeleine's name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine' Helping to establish that the alert concerning Madeleine's disappearance, had occurred 30 minutes / 45 minutes before 10pm...


Since, why would anyone be calling out Madeleines name, half an hour or so (9.30pm) before Kate McCann raised the alarm after 10pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 04:30:PM
Since, why would anyone be calling out Madeleines name, half an hour or so (9.30pm) before Kate McCann raised the alarm after 10pm?



That half hour period which was gained by delaying the alert about Madeleine's demise until just after 10 pm, would have been ample time for Gerry McCann to enable himself to be the man seen by the Smith contingency down in the direction of the beach at 9.50pm...


Delaying the time of the alert, also makes it possible for either Mathew Oldfield, or Russell O'Brien to have been the man seen by the Smith Contingent...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 04:39:PM

Delaying the time of the alert, also makes it possible for either Mathew Oldfield, or Russell O'Brien to have been the man seen by the Smith Contingent...


 The role played by Russell O'Brien between the resturant and his apartment between around 9pm and 9.30pm, involving the claim that his daughter was being sick back in his apartment, which conveniently provided him with a reason for not returning to the restuarant once he left with Mathew Oldfield at 9.20pm...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 04:47:PM

 The role played by Russell O'Brien between the resturant and his apartment between around 9pm and 9.30pm, involving the claim that his daughter was being sick back in his apartment, which conveniently provided him with a reason for not returning to the restuarant once he left with Mathew Oldfield at 9.20pm...

I think the delaying of the alert with regards to Madeleine's demise at around 9.15pm, by making it after 10pm, and the fact that all the others with the exception of Oldfield and O'Brien were supposed to have been at the restaurant until after Kate did her 10pm check, even though evidence existed to indicate that from 9.30pm onward, the dinner table at which the McCann couple, and two other couples had been sitting earlier in the evening, had become completely vacated from that time. Russell O'Brien's excuse that he remained back at the apartment which he shared with Jane Tanner, because his child was being sick, during this manufactured half hour period, leads me to believe That O'Brien had something to do with shifting Madeleine's body out of apartment 5a, and that this took place after 9.20pm, when Oldfield and O'Brien went to do the 9.30pm check...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 08:42:PM

Matthew David Oldfield's statement 04/05/07 @ 11.30am

The interview begins at 11.30am on 04/05/07.

 It is made in the presence of inspector Patricia D. As with previous statements, the interviewee having no command of the Portuguese language, an interpreter was requested.

It is Angela F.M. and as with all previous statements, the interview was read over and its contents explained. After having shown his agreement with his statements, the interviewee confirmed and signed as accurate, the deed that followed, conjointly with the, "sworn," interpreter. This was normal procedure since the start of the interviews.

In signing, the interpreter commits herself legally concerning the accuracy of her translation.

On the subject, the interviewee says:

It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: ***** and ***) Russell and Jane (children **** and ****) Rachael (daughter ******) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

That the idea of spending the holiday in Portugal came from the couple David and Fiona and that it is they who reserved the accommodation. That this reservation was made 4 or 5 months ago. That since they arrived in Portugal, until last night, the days were all the same. In the morning, the group woke between 6.30 and 8am and that they all went on foot to the, "Millennium," around 10 minutes from the complex. That only Madeleine's parents, Madeleine and the twins had breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three very small children.

That after breakfast, the children were left at the mini-clubs of the complex. Madeleine and **** go to the mini-club for their age and the other children go to another club for younger children. At lunchtime, the habit was to meet up in one of the apartments occupied by the group to have lunch there with the children. In the afternoon, the children have a sleep in their respective apartments under the supervision of an adult. The other adults do sporting activities within the complex. After their afternoon sleep, the children return to the mini-club

That around 4.45pm, the children eat at the "Tapas," restaurant inside the tourist complex. After eating, the children went to play in a playground in the complex, supervised by adults. At around 8pm, the children went to sleep and at around 8.30pm, the adults went to dinner at the "Tapas" restaurant. While they were eating, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments without the constant supervision of an adult. The interviewee adds that, as the restaurant is around 1 minute from the apartments, randomly, an adult would be going frequently to check on the children in the apartments.
"That, as part of the mini-club activities, Madeleine will have gone to the beach, together with OC employees, he not knowing how many times that had occurred. The rest of the activities were in the interior of the tourist complex.

That the apartment occupied by the parents of Madeleine and their children was immediately before [next to] his."

How the evening progressed.

The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them. The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm.

That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the bedroom occupied by Madeleine."
. That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry would have entered  into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was left ajar. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee says that Gerry will have gone to check at that time because he will not have heard the witness say that he had been there.

That during the meal, it was usual that every 15 minutes (as on all some of the adults went to the apartments to check if the children were sleeping. That normally this checking was done inside the apartments (Visual checking), but that, to be honest, sometimes this checking was only done from the outside, near the bedroom windows (Auditory checking)

As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the bedroom that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light was not from an artificial source inside the apartment, but perhaps something coming from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the Master' bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

The apartment has two bedrooms, a lounge, a small kitchen and a bathroom. The couple's bedroom has a window which is visible from the restaurant. The children's bedroom windows look out on the road outside the tourist complex. Then the interviewee went back to the restaurant.

He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked because that door is visible from the restaurant.

At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. At that time all the adults were in the restaurant. Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only one window in the childrens' bedroom was open. The window was open and the respective shutter [external blinds].

That during the holiday, and notably during the day yesterday and during dinner, nothing appeared unusual to the interviewee. That there wasn't the slightest change in the behaviour of any of the group, notably in that of Kate or Gerry and their respective children.

Question: And outside the group?

No, there was nothing unusual and he knows of nothing special happening. That the tourist complex was quiet and that nothing unusual happened there. That during the day the children were under the supervision of the respective mini-club staff. That Madeleine is the daughter of both Gerry and Kate. That he doesn't know if Madeleine was suffering from any illness or if she was taking medication. That Madeleine is very lively, obedient, communicative and extrovert. Madeleine's parents are both very friendly, communicative, happy and sensible. That the couple have an excellent relationship with their children, not making any difference in the treatment of each. That the three children were very much wanted by the couple, all three being the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation.

The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because these are people who are very comfortable financially.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 08:47:PM
[M Oldfield's  Statement 10th May Again, there were several omissions from, and errors in, the original Portuguese. I corrected those that I found. Also, much of the Portuguese statement is written with a convoluted 'future + past' verb construct that attributes an 'uncertainty' to the words, whereas I have translated much of it in a non-literal manner to make it read more definitively. Hence, the reader must understand that neither the Portuguese nor my translation necessarily constitute the exact words spoken by Oldfield.

If you read MO's Rogatory Letter testimony you will get a sense of the difficulty the Portuguese interpreter faced when listening to this man.]

Matthew Oldfield 10 May PART I

In respect of the McCanns (Gerald and Kate), the deponent clarifies that he has known them only for about four years, since the wedding of David and Fiona Payne which took place in the summer of 2003 in Italy.

However, he relates knowing that the McCanns already knew the other couples for some years and they had been on holiday previously with them, together with the Paynes.

He relates that, due to his friendship with the other two couples he had been on holiday in Greece for a week, and they had expected the trip to Portugal to have been similar to that week.

Asked, he clarifies that, the similarity between this and the previous occasion was that all couples were accompanied by their offspring.
 
Because it was asked, he relates that the McCanns had not participated in the above trip to Greece alleging to not know if, at that time, they were asked to join the group of excursionists.

Consequently, he clarifies to never have been on any trip with the McCanns except for this one to Portugal.

Regarding the present trip, and as far as he knows, the McCanns participated at the invitation of the Paynes.
 
He clarifies that DP personally took charge of the organisation [of this trip], in a similar manner to what he thinks happened in relation to the above mentioned trip to Greece the previous year.

In this way, it will have been this last individual [DP] who chose Portugal as the tourist destination, adding that, considering the expected climatic conditions and the time period of the holiday, Mark Warner would be the only operator available to them with a final destination of Praia da Luz.

At that time DP will have contacted the tourist operator Mark Warner with the intention to purchase tourist packages and to reserve the respective journeys.
Prompted he relates that David will have personally assumed payment of the costs of the packets of the other families, each of which amounts would be repaid to him afterwards.

In this way he relates they arrived in Portugal on 28 May adding that all would have lodging reserved in the Ocean Club Garden until 5 May - the date on which they would have returned to England.

Prompted about the motives which contributed to choose the operator Mark Warner he explains that it is usual for this operator to work with tourist complexes that possess some requisites demanded by his family and the others who make up the group, namely: sports activities with instructors (especially tennis and water sports), childrens' activities, and restaurants within the resort enclosure in a way that they can be accessed without the need for any kind of transportation.

For the rest, he relates that the couples would give preference to resorts that have 'baby listening' services available.

Pressed to define 'baby listening' service he clarifies that that service can be summed up as a watching, by doing 'rounds' of the outside of an apartment in the course of which someone checks for noise coming from the location where children are sleeping and, if noise is heard, to alert the respective parents of that situation.

Furthermore, he wishes to make clear that while making the aforementioned reservations the operator had told them that a 'baby listening' service was not in place in the Ocean Club Garden.

That fact had made some of the couples - and himself in particular - reluctant to come to Portugal because all the families have minor children.

As far as he [MO] is concerned, he wishes at this time to add that, in conversation with DP on a date he does not recall with certainty but likely to have been on 7 or 8 May, he [DP] confided in him that that, at that time, KH had been particularly reluctant about coming to Portugal because she had had a bad feeling [presentiment] about the children of the group and the non-existence of the 'baby sitting' service.

Nevertheless, he relates that, they had discussed this problem resolving to make the trip since the operator had assured them accommodation sufficiently close together that, collectively, they had managed to assure the checking and supervision of their respective progeny.

Consequently, David had taken charge of negotiations with the operator to have all lodgings as close to each other as possible. Nonetheless, and because he was asked, he adds that on leaving England they did not know the exact apartments which they had been allotted.

Nevertheless, he relates that DP had asked the operator that they be provided with lodgings in close proximity to each other because, as a group, they intended to perform that kind of checking collectively over the children of each family.

Nonetheless he admits that they were only informed of their respective apartments on arrival in Portugal.
 
About the inherent conditions of the travel plan subscribed to by the couples, he clarifies that they had acquired 'half-board' packets - i.e., inclusive of flight, transfers, lodging, breakfast and dinner.
 
In that sense he relates that all members of the group would eat meals in OC restaurants as follows: breakfast would be at the Millenium, situated slightly away from the residential block where they were lodged (close to the main street, the Lagos road, about 10 minutes on foot), while dinner would be at the Tapas restaurant, situated next to the swimming pools of their residential block.
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The sole exception to this rule would be by the McCanns who would eat breakfast in their apartment, he considering that that was done due to the fact that they had three small children and the distance between [their flat] and the Millenium. Nevertheless he wished to point out that, on the night of 28 May the group had dined at Millenium as the Tapas was closed.

Aside from this he relates that on all other days they dined always at Tapas.

With respect to lunch, he relates that the couples usually ate it as a group in one of the four apartments, adding that the Payne's apartment was commonly used due to its larger size.

Prompted about the dinner reservations/bookings at Tapas, he relates that the first time thay made a reservation was on Sunday, not knowing who had made it. Asked if it could have been ROB the deponent admitted that that was possible, reiterating to not know for sure who had made it.

relating to the other days, he clarifies that on Monday morning his wife undertook such reservation, adding still that it would have been for all the remaining days except for Friday, 4 May, as there was to have been a Tennis Club dinner that night.
 
He clarifies that the above reservation was made for nine people for 20h30.

Prompted to identify the apartment in which the four couples had been lodged, the deponent said that the McCanns were in apartment 5A; he, his wife and daughter in 5B; the O'Brien's in 5D; and the Payne's in 5H.

While the above all related to residential Block G, he says that the first three are situated on the ground floor, the last being on the first floor; he adds that the McCann flat was at the extreme left when accessing the block from the main entrance, and immediately adjacent to his flat; the O'B was in front of the main entrance behind the stairway used to go to the upper floors, and, lastly, the Payne flat was immediately above that of the O'Briens.

Asked about criteria for the distribution of couples between the flats as described in the preceding paragraph, he relates that Mark Warner had taken charge of the allotment of couples and flats.

For this reason, he does not know the nature of that criteria, all the more since, similar to the others, he only found out which flat he had been allotted when he arrived at the resort - the time at which they were each given the keys to their corresponding flats, one key per couple (that being a metal key, not an access card).

Nevertheless, he relates to have known that, in his particular case, he would have been allotted 5B because it is the smallest flat (with only one bedroom) as he had only one small child.

Pertaining to the routine undertaken by the four couples during the period before the disappearance of MBM, he relates that, generally, they all dedicated themselves to sporting pastimes.

In his particular case, he gave priority to water sports (such as sailing) and, then, tennis.


As for the rest, they also did various sports, pointing out that the McCanns never did any water sports.

By the way, he relates that, on a date he does not recall for sure but on one day in the past week during which it rained in PdL (thinking it was 2 May, the day before the disappearance) he went on a 40-minute run on the streets around the resort together with KM.


Asked about any time he was away from PdL he responded in the negative, stating that, the same as all others in the group, he had not done so because he had no means of transport to facilitate any such movement.

Consequently, and the question asked, he relates that none of the couples possessed a hired motor car.

Of the rest, he denied the possibility of any of them to have driven periodically any motor car that might have been provided to them by a third party, given that none of them had any friends or acquaintances residing or holidaying in the vicinity.

Prompted to outline what had happened on 3 May, the deponent the following:
- he woke up about 06h30/07h00 going to take breakfast at Millennium at 08h00 with his wife and daughter. He does not recall who [else] was with them. He knows that GM, KM and their children did not breakfast there because they always did that in their apartment.
Regarding the other group members he cannot remember who was in the Millennium that morning. He is sure that he was not accompanied by the whole group given that they were not always accompanied by the same people during this meal - thinking that only DP or ROB would have been there with their respective children.


Adding that as each day passed there were fewer group members who went there for breakfast, opting to have it in their apartments, due to the distance of the restaurant from their residences.


After breakfast he walked to the beach, arriving about 09h30 to go sailing. He knows that on that morning DP and FP were also there, not recalling if he went there with either of those individuals or if they were already there when he arrived. He was sailing until about 11h00 due to which he was late for the tennis class he had booked for that time, together with his wife.

About 12h10 he went with his wife to pick up his daughter from kids club.

Subsequently the three of them went to the Payne apartment for lunch. He clarifies that he lunched there with the Paynes, their children and mother-in-law, and with ROB and JT. He does not recall if KM and GM were there.

Later, sometime between 13h30 and 14h00, he and his family went to their apartment to put their daughter down for a sleep, remaining there until about 14h15/14h30 - the time at which he decided to go to find ROB, he also having returned to his own flat, to call him for them both to go sailing.

After their sport (sometime between 15h30 and 15h45) they both went to the beach where they met up with the rest of the group, including children, staying there until about 17h00. He clarifies that GM, KM and their children were not at the beach.

Leaving the beach they went to the beach restaurant where they fed the children while the adults limited themselves to a few drinks.

About 18h00 he, ROB and DP went to a social men's tennis match, held in the above resort area, where they remained until about 19h00. He clarifies that when they arrived at that meeting GM was already there, with KM and her children watching the match, the rest of the women and children joining them [KM and children] later.

At 19h00 he, ROB and DP had finished the match, having then gone to their respective apartments in which they found other members of the group.

The deponent said he stayed in his apartment until 19h45 at which time, together with his wife, he went to the Tapas restaurant where GM and KM were already and, from what was said afterwards, Jane. Later, about 20h50, ROB arrived.
 
The deponent added that DP, FP and DW were still not present - and as he could see their apartment lights burning - he resolved to go to them, clarifying that he did not reach that apartment as those people were already on their way to the restaurant. He clarifies [further] that he met them near the living quarters, at the corner next to the main door of the McCann apartment.

Benefiting from meeting them next to the residences, he adds that, on his own initiative, he made a 'listening check' at the bedroom window of MBM and the twins at 21h05. That he limited himself to approach the bedroom window on the outside of the apartment to check if the children were crying or awake.

He adds to have not heard any noise nor perceived anything out of the ordinary. He went on to do the same check at the bedroom windows of his daughter and ROB's daughters.

About 5/10 seconds after the checking he returned to the restaurant seeing that all other group members were already there. They proceeded to order dinner [immediately] after which GM went to his apartment to check his children.

Asked if, at that instant, JT also went to her flat, he says he does not recall, adding that they were gone at the same time as each other.

On the other hand, he cannot be precise [about] which of the two returned first.
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Nevertheless, he wishes to add that he has no idea about anyone having possibly mentioned the possibility of both having been together.

Asked why GM had gone to the apartment at that time if the deponent had been there a few minutes before, he relates that GM might not have heard him say that all was well, adding further that he had not personally checked the children at that time.

Asked if there was some agreement about checking all the children of the group he says that it was common practice for one member of each couple to stand up each 15 minutes with the objective to go to check their own child(ren).

Matthew Oldfield 10 May PART II
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Some minutes later, at 21h25, the deponent went to his apartment to do a further check, he having done that together with ROB who intended to do the same with his two girls.

At that time he offered [made himself available] to perform a check in the bedroom of MBM.

Questioned about his motives for such a check, going against the prevailing/established procedure, or - why would two people have gone to check the three apartments (in this case the witness and ROB going to check their own apartments and that of GM), the deponent explained that both [men] had suggested that KM remain in the restaurant [they] assuming the responsibility of verifying the children.

Nonetheless, and the question asked, he relates not being able to state exactly if the suggestion was made by himself or by ROB, adding not being able to clarify why it was done, but, in the case of it having been he [MO] to make such a suggestion it would have been due to, having spent days on holiday together, [there already being] a very close friendship with the couple [allowing him] to enter their apartment.

That, on that occasion, ROB and he went to their own residences, to check on their own children. After leaving his apartment he went to that of ROB who opted to stay there to calm his daughter who was crying, that done with the deponent went alone to the McCann apartment. He clarifies that ROB's daughter was ill, with vomiting.

To this end, he took the quickest route between ROB's apartment and the side garden gate entrance to the rear patio of the McCann residence, to which he gained access through the glass sliding door into the apartment lounge. The door was closed but not locked as KM had said it would be.

That he did not enter the bedroom where MBM and the twins were sleeping. He recalls that the bedroom door was half open, making an angle of 50 degrees. He does not know how far away he was from the bedroom door. He recalls having the perception that the window curtains - green in colour - were drawn closed but could not determine if the window was closed or open. Concerning the external blinds he clarifies that he did not see if it was closed or open. He recalls having thought that in that bedroom there was more brightness than there was in his daughter's room (where the external blinds were always fully closed), adding to have had the feeling that that light was coming from the outside - making the point that both were turned in the same direction.

Consequently, he admits the possibility of the light he was perceiving was owing to the blinds being raised, denying however that he was capable of assessing the height at which it may have been.

The question asked, he was sure that, at the time of his first being in the vicinity of MBM's bedroom, reported as 21h05 in the course of which he had approached the the window of that bedroom from the outside for the purpose of an auditory check, the blinds were, in his view, fully closed.

Consequently, he is convinced that at the time of the second check the blinds were more open than on the first check, given that he considers that the light inside the bedroom, undoubtedly coming from the outside, could not have been coming through it [the blinds] if they had been fully closed.

Following on, convinced that everything was within normality, given that he perceived no noise to make him think otherwise, and further, due to, in his mind, having managed to glimpse the two twins inside their cots, the deponent returned to the restaurant to finish dinner.

Asked, he clarifies to not have seen MBM lying on the bed in the bedroom because from where he was during the check he had no sight of that bed.

The question asked, he relates that he thinks he returned to Tapas between 21h25 and 21h30, telling the others in the group that he found everything within normality in the residential block.

The question asked, he clarifies not having told MBM's parents the facts of having found the door half-open, estimating it about 50 degrees, and having perceived the above mentioned brightness inside [the room], he related not having done it because he didn't attach any relevance to them [the facts].

Asked, he relates that, at that time, he rejoined the table of travelling friends, all except ROB who stayed in his apartment due to the indisposition his daughter.

The question asked, he relates that, due to the large size of the whole group, comprising nine adults (four couple and FP's mother), the deponent and the others always occupied the same table because it was the only one that could handle so many people.

Asked, he relates that, from where that table was positioned the group would have sight of the apartments they were occupying.

Nevertheless, he admits that it was a tenuous sight considering the distance to the apartments (estimated as about 50 to 100 metres), and further, due to their vision being impaired by a transparent oilcloth [tarpaulin] that covered the area in which the tables were located.

Consequently, he admits it being possible for someone to have entered the ground-floor apartments without being detected, through [by way of] the patios that were round the back of the residential block.

Nevertheless, he relates not having perceived any movements at the rear of the McCann apartment during the last of the checks that he took part in.

Consequently, it had been an enormous surprise to receive the news of the disappearance of small MBM.
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By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50.

Noticing the disappearance KM returned in panic to the restaurant where the deponent was in order to tell her husband, GM.

The question asked, he relates being convinced that, at the time of that communication, all the group members were in the restaurant - the reason for which he supposes that ROB had rejoined them in the meantime.

In view of such news all group members rushed to GM's apartment which was accessed through the rear entrance, namely by the sliding glass door facing the pool.
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Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition.

Asked, the deponent denies that at any time he had perceived any suspicious movements undertaken by unknown individuals (or by group members) to the date of the event or in the days that preceded it.

In the same way he relates never to have perceived suspicious movements undertaken by any motor vehicles in the vicinity of the resort where they were lodged.
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by the way, he relates never to have perceived the presence of a blue light motor vehicle in the vicinity of the Ocean Club Garden.

Regarding the situation at hand, he relates to not know with absolute certainty any matters that surrounded them [the events], as well as the motivations that could have given rise to them.

In the same way, he does not know for sure the possible existence of conjugal, professional or other problems that might have possibly resulted in someone undertaking the removal [taking] of that small child.

The question asked, he reiterates that during the group's stay in PdL they had always dined at the Tapas, except for the first night when they did it at the Millenium.
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On the other hand he relates that only those adults who were part of their group met for dinner at their table.

By the way, he denied that at any time did any individuals named IRWIN form part of the table, refuting equally that he had made the acquaintance of anyone so named.

The question asked, he relates that he entered the McCann apartment for the first [and only] time on the night of the disappearance (i.e. 3 May), and [that was] on the second check reported above, namely at 21h25.

On the other hand he points out that he was on foot for all the trips he made outside the resort, similar to all other group members.

The question asked he says that there had been no change in his sleep [sleeping pattern]. He does not recall bouts of insomnia nor of overly deep sleep.

Questioned about other changes in his health - or of his family - he recalls that the three had had intestinal problems: he on 28 April; from memory, his wife on 30 April or 1 May, and his daughter on 7 May.

Regarding the other group members he does not know if there were changes in their health.

Prompted about relationships of friendship, or other, of the deponent or other group members, with persons resident in Portigal, the witness says he knows no-one in this country and thinks the same applies to the other holidaying friends.

Also he would not know other holiday makers. He thinks that the same applies to the rest of the group members.

Asked about the drinking of alcoholic beverages by the group members the deponent admits that all the member did (including himself), admitting further that they did in quantities unusually high [for them] in virtue of them fully enjoying the holidays.

Nevertheless he relates that despite what is reported in the preceding paragraph they did not any of their cognitive faculties, adding, by way of example, that they could possibly consume about six bottles of wine.

The question asked, he relates that this was his second time in Portugal, the first occurred in 1999 when he spent a single night in Lisboa.

With respect to the other group members, he knows only that JT had been here previously on various occasions, he thinks for professional reasons, adding further that she had also visited together with ROB.

Prompted to reveal any other things that might possibly help in understanding the events under investigation, the deponent was unable to do so, alleging a total lack of knowledge about other circumstances which might possibly have surrounded it, beyond those already reported above.

The question asked, he relates that during his stay he used the same mobile phone that he used in England.

The question asked, he relates that he used the number since 2002.

Prompted to define what he understands by 'auditory check', he clarified that it was a check in which he does not establish visual contact with the children - limiting himself to check for noises that could indicate some problems with them
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 10:16:PM
DC Ferguson interviews Matthew Oldfield… with “Technical problems”
 
I am Detective Constable 4078 FERGUSON of the Leicestershire Constabulary currently stationed on the Major Crime Unit and engaged on enquiries on Operation Task.

At 10:19 hours on Wednesday 9th April 2008 I was present at an interview suite at Leicestershire Police Force Headquarters when I commenced a recorded interview with the witness Matthew OLDFIELD. The interview ceased at 11:22 hours.

This interview was recorded onto DVD and a master copy and a working copy were produced.

I produce the master copy of this DVD as exhibit reference S.V.F.115 and the working copy as exhibit reference S.V.F.116
 
I have had the opportunity to read and check through a transcript made of this interview and I produce the transcript of the interview as exhibit reference S.V.F.116A
 
At 11:54 hours on Wednesday 9th April 2008 I was present at an interview suite at Leicestershire Police Force Headquarters when I commenced a recorded interview with the witness Matthew OLDFIELD. The interview ceased at 13:08 hours.
 
This interview was recorded onto DVD and a master copy and a working copy were produced.
I produce the master copy of this DVD as exhibit reference S.V.F.117 and the working copy as exhibit reference S.V.F.118
 
I have had the opportunity to read and check through a transcript made of this interview and I produce the transcript of the interview as exhibit reference S.V.F.118A.
 
At 14:14 hours on Wednesday 9th April 2008 I was present at an interview suite at Leicestershire Police Force Headquarters when I commenced a recorded interview with the witness Matthew OLDFIELD. The interview ceased at 14:51 hours.

This interview was recorded onto DVD and a master copy and a working copy were produced.
 
 (Page 1)
I produce the master copy of this DVD as exhibit reference S.V.F.119 and the working copy as exhibit reference S.V.F.120
 
Technical problems were experienced during this interview and no data was recorded.

At 15:18 hours on Wednesday 9th April 2008 I was present at an interview suite at Leicestershire Police Force Headquarters when I commenced a recorded interview with the witness Matthew OLDFIELD. The interview ceased at 15:38 hours.

This interview was recorded onto DVD and a master copy and a working copy were produced.

I produce the master copy of this DVD as exhibit reference S.V.F.121 and the working copy as exhibit reference S.V.F.122
 
I have had the opportunity to read and check through a transcript made of this interview and I produce the transcript of the interview as exhibit reference S.V.F.122A.
 
During this interview process the witness Matthew OLDFIELD marked on a copy of exhibit D.M.2 (a plan of the area) which is now produced as exhibit reference M.O.1.

Later the same day I returned to Barunstone Police Station where I placed all of the discs for the interviews and exhibit M.O.1 into a secure store.
 
At 15:10 hours on Monday 14th April 2008 I it out of the secure store and handed exhibit M.O.1 to exhibits officer 7383 CRAVEN.
 
At 15:50 hours on Monday 14th April 2008 I handed exhibits S.V.F.115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121 and 122 to exhibits officer 7383 CRAVEN having taken them out of the secure store.

AT 8:15 hours on 8th May 2008 I took exhibits S.V.F.116, S.V.F.118 and S.V.F.122 from Exhibits Officer CRAVEN and retained possession of them until 09:00am on Friday 9th May 2008 when I returned them to Exhibits Officer CRAVEN.

This statement is made by myself and is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.
Signed:    S FERGUSON

 RECORD OF TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW Police Exhibit No SVF116A

Person Interviewed: Matthew OLDFIELD Number of Pages 36

Place of Interview: Force Headquarters Enderby Signature of Interviewing

Date of Interview: 09/04/08 Officer producing exhibit
 
Time Commenced: 1019 hours
 
Time Concluded: 1122 hours Duration of Interview: 63 minutes

Interviewing Officer(s) DC 4078 FERGUSON Tape Reference nos: SVF116

Other Persons Present None
 
Tape counter times Person speaking Text
 
 00.00.02 4078 'We are recording okay. So the time is now eighteen minutes past ten and it is the ninth of April in the year two thousand and eight. We are in an interview room here at Leicestershire Police Headquarters. I am DC Sophie FERGUSON, I work in the Major Crime Unit here in Leicestershire. Could you just give us your full name please''

Reply 'Matthew David OLDFIELD'.
 
4078 'Thank you. And your date of birth Matthew''

Reply 'Fourth of January nineteen sixty-nine'.
 
4078 'And your home address''

Reply 'Twenty Sutherland Gardens, East Sheen, London, S, W, fourteen, eight, D,B'.
 
4078 'Thank you. And just to put things in context. You are married to Rachael MAMPILLY''

Reply 'That's right'.
 
4078 'And you have a daughter called Grace who is now two, is she''

Reply 'Two and a half, she'll be three in September'.
 
4078 'And you went on holiday with, erm, in company with the McCANN family last year''

Reply 'Correct'.
 
00.00.48 4078 'Which is obviously why you are here. This interview is at the request of the Portuguese Police and they will be monitoring this interview partly, you know, sometimes they will be, sometimes they wont be. You have been given a letter from us outlining the objectives for this interview, but please ask at any time if there is anything you want clarifying'.

Reply 'No, it was clear, I understand'.
 
4078 'And also if I mumble and you cant understand what I am saying, just remind me, because I do forget and I run away with myself sometimes'.

Reply 'I think you speak more clearly than I do, but, yeah, thats fine'.
 
4078 'Nevertheless, just say, you know, if you want to slow down or whatever'.

Reply 'Okay'.
 
4078 'Your time and co-operation is obviously appreciated, but I would just ask you to be patient with me as, no doubt, we will be covering things that you have been over time and time again'.

Reply 'Sure'.
 
4078 'With the Police and, you know, by yourselves'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'I am going to ask you to concentrate as much as you can and try to recall what you heard, saw and did around the third of May two thousand and seven. Let me know if you need to take a break. And I intend to ask fairly open questions and then, as I said earlier, things that haven't been covered in that process, we will go back and ask more closed questions'.

Reply 'Okay'.
 
4078 'So I can tick the boxes that we need to tick today'.

Reply 'Right. Okay'.
 
00.01.55 4078 'Did that make sense''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Before we go on to the holiday, can you just give me some background in relation to how you know the McCANNS in the first place''

Reply 'Yeah, erm, primarily the connection is through, erm, Russell and Jane, erm, Russell was Rachael and mine Best Man and we've been good friends since we went to University together in Leicester and originally he went out with a girl in my year called Ann SMITH and then when I was looking for accommodation Ann mentioned that he had a space in his house, so there was two girls, Russell, Paul and myself and we made up the house and we sort of shared the rental at a house there and we've sort of been friends ever since and then, as I say, he was Best Man for Rachael and I when we got married in nineteen ninety-nine, erm, and we stayed in contact pretty much since. We've been on hol, well we'll probably come onto holiday and stuff later. But through Russell I know David, who was also at Leicester Medical School, and Fiona WEBSTER, who is also, erm, Fiona PAYNE as she is now, erm, it was also at Leicester Medical School and they were two years behind me, so they graduated in ninety-four and I graduated in ninety-two, they know Gerry and Kate or they knew them on a much sort of more friendly level than, than I did. Erm, so I knew Gerry because we worked together in, I think, two thousand and two, erm, when we were at the Leicester General Hospital, so we knew each other on the, erm, on call rota, so we'd be together at sort of medical meetings, erm, but we didn't sort of socialise more than sort of a quick chat at that point in time. And then we really got to know them when David and Fiona got married in two thousand and three, when we went, when they got, they were married in Italy and we, erm, there was a big group of people that went out, erm, all the group that were out in Portugal were there as well, and we shared an apartment with Gerry and Kate and Madeleine, she was about sort of four months old then, four months, it was around about September so she'd be about four or five months old then, and there were other people within the apartment, there was Stuart and Tara and, I think that was it, I think there was six adults and the children, and so we spent sort of a long weekend there for the wedding and so we got to know them a little bit at that point. But then we didn't really have any other contact, apart from, erm, hearing about them through David and Fiona and Russell and Jane, erm, from them. And then the holiday came about because, erm, independently we'd been on sort of various holidays and we'd sort of often talked about them, you know, sort of being friends and we then went on a joint holiday to Greece the year before with David and Fiona, Russell and Jane, erm, but not with the McCANNs, we'd been to Greece, erm, and sort of spent a week on the beach there and then sort of thought about booking a holiday the next year and then Dave and Fiona, I think they'd already been on holiday with Gerry and Kate on another occasion, they wanted to involve them in the group and we ended up going for a MARK WARNER complex in Portugal. Erm, that was, erm, we'd been to, as I say, some of us had been to MARK WARNER, erm, various MARK WARNER resorts before, we'd been to the Greek one in Lemnos, erm, originally before Grace was born, it was just a last minute deal and it was great, it was all inclusive, we all like sport, erm, and sunshine and, erm, it was sort of all inclusive and it was just a very, erm, sort of relaxing sort of place to go, so we went out there and we were quite keen to do that again because everybody in the group is pretty sporty, erm, and if you have a lot of people together you can share sort of the child care arrangements and its also very relaxing for everybody. Because when we went to Greece it was like the fastest holiday I'd ever been on because there was only about an hour when they were asleep at lunch each day and a couple of hours in the evening where you were actually sort off child care duties, so the week went by in about sort of six hours, it was all sort of, it was very quick. And so we, we went, we talked about whether we'd go back to MARK WARNER, I think, and David and Fiona had looked at various resorts and, erm, chose the Portugal one because it fitted better with time. Erm, in terms of, I mean, originally we were booked, we got the, we actually (inaudible) got the week off that they, that sort of fitted, but we were originally going to go to the Lake District with Rachaels parents but we ended up going, saying that, yes, we'd move that and change that for another week and go out. Erm, and various emails, everybody got sort of tied down to doing it and we booked and then went out'.
 
00.06.45 4078 'In relation to Gerry and Kate then, just to clarify what you have said. You met them at David and Fionas wedding''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'In two thousand and three in Italy. And you stayed, you shared an apartment with them then. Have you met them socially between then and now very often''

Reply 'No, no, we, erm, I know that some of the other groups would, but I think mainly because we were no longer Leicester based, because we left Leicester in two thousand and, end of two thousand and three beginning of two thousand and four, because I got a job down in Kingston because I came to the end of my training, and so we moved out, erm, from there. But in between the times that we were still at Leicester, two thousand and three would have been the wedding, so the end of two thousand and three, because I started at Kingston in February two thousand and four and we didnt sort of socialise, I dont think we met them at all after the wedding, before, erm, before we left to go down to London. But I know Russ and Jane and Dave and Fiona would have been to sort of the birthday parties, erm, but more because they were Leicester based really. And we weren't, hadn't become sort of that close from that small visit in Italy'.
 
4078 'So the first time you had seen them or had anything to do with them really again was this holiday last May''

Reply 'Yeah, I mean, we knew about them because Fiona, Dave and Fiona were sort of close friends with them and I think Fiona and Kate trained at some point (inaudible) training or knew each other in that way, so we'd hear about them, but it was, erm, Gerry and Kate and then Dave and Fi at this end and then Russ and Jane sort of sort of thing, it was like that'.

4078 'Okay. And the holiday that you had booked starting the twenty-eighth of April''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.08.24 4078 'Saturday I think that was'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Do you remember where you flew from''

Reply 'Erm, we flew from Gatwick. We certainly flew from, Russell and Jane came down with us, erm, and the rest of the group went from, erm, from Leicester, from East Midlands, erm, simply because they didn't want to come down or get up very early, because MARK WARNER flights are always particularly early, so they'd need to come down and stay overnight and then drive down sort of very early in the morning, so Russell and Jane came to us and then we went down to, erm, to Gatwick from, from, erm, from our house. And there was a bit of a problem with the, with the transport, because we'd booked a taxi and we'd said 'Look, we've got three children, four adults and loads of baggage for a week, it's got to be big enough' and he turned up in sort of like a standard and said 'It's all fine', we needed two child seats and a booster seat, and he turned up in sort of like a standard size taxi and then tried to get us into two and we're going, 'Oh no, we can't do that', so we booked into a sort of a valet parking thing, we'd used before at Gatwick, we drove down there and parked in that, it was all a bit of a sort of a rush at the end but got through'.
 
4078 'Last minute stress, which you dont need with little children, I am sure'.
Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'I know from speaking to Jane yesterday that you and Jane and Russell arrived slightly earlier than the rest of the group, with flight times''

Reply 'We arrived earlier, yeah'.
 
4078 'So if you can tell me what you remember from when you arrived at the resort''

Reply 'Erm, I mean, we'd sort of came in by (inaudible) and we arrived, we got on the bus, we were allocated rooms on the bus, that's a question that's been asked before, so we had the, you know, the choice about where we were going to stay, we'd had the keys with our names on it, erm, we pulled outside the entrance to the Tapas Bar in the bus and MARK WARNER staff sort of met us and took the luggage and helped us get it up to the room, erm, we must have arrived around lunchtime because there was an issue about where are we going to eat, are we going to get food, and I think on that first day we popped down to the Supermarket, there was a Supermarket just down the street, as you may be aware, to just sort of get snacks and things, because I think the Tapas Bar doesn't open, wasn't open on that transfer day, so we'd have probably sort of sorted food out and I think we were then unpacking in the rooms when, erm, the rest of the guys arrived and they came in by taxi so they actually pulled into the car park at the back, I remember going out to sort of meet them and say hello to them'.
 
00.10.53 4078 'Okay. Bear in mind, obviously I have seen maps and plans, but my mind just doesn't retain that kind of information particularly well, it is a failing on my part, that I am going to ask you if you can describe things in detail'.

Reply 'Sure'.
 
4078 'So that I can picture it in my mind as we are going through, because then it makes it easier for me to understand the logistics of what you are saying as well'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Just grab my water. Feel free to help yourself to drinks and things if you need to. I say drinks, there is only water available, just tell me if you want something else'.

Reply 'Yeah, that's fine'.
 
4078 'Right. So you have arrived at the resort, you have been allocated an apartment''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And presumably you have gone and settled into your apartment''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Can you describe to me where your apartment was''

Reply 'Yeah, erm, so there's the, the apartment block, erm, are at one side to the, erm, let's think how best to describe it, it's all based around a T-junction essentially. So, erm, the apartment blocks, erm, runs along parallel to this bit and you go down the T-junction which goes down a hill about, oh, the distance now in memory must be, erm, sort of thirty yards, thirty or forty yards, and there's an entrance through a sort of a walled enclosure into the Tapas and sort of pool area and within that there's sort of like sun loungers, there's a big sort of kidney shaped pool and a smaller children's pool at the far end of the, erm, far end of the complex and you've got the Tapas Restaurant which runs closer to the, on the far side of the pool from the apartment block and behind that there is a cr'he, where we dropped Grace off to, coming back out of there you come, pool behind you, you come out the door, left, up the hill to the T-junction and you turn left just to get round the, the walls that sort of enclosed the, erm, well it's just little walls, which would enclose the back of the apartment block where we accessed the apartments from and you'd walk across a small car park, erm, into, to access the apartments there'.
 
00.12.59 4078 'Right'.

Reply 'Erm, you go under the sort of, the way that the stairwell goes and the way that the balconies go, you actually walk, I think you walk under, there's sort of like a roof made by the above apartments and things to get to our doorway and so there were, sorry, stop me if I'.
 
4078 'Sorry, no, just before I forget to ask. The car park that you mentioned''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Does that divide the apartments and the road, is the car park between''

Reply 'Yeah, so you've got a road and then you've got a car park, erm, and then the apartment block and there's sort of two blocks of apartments, we were all in one, but if you walked to the far end of the car park there'd be a sort of little wall and I think there was a little access, you can either swing your legs over a wall to get into it but then there was another car park for another apartment block. Erm, so you came through the car park, the apartment block's in front of us and then there were four apartments, ours was five 'B', which was pretty much straight ahead of you just angling off to the left, there was an empty apartment five 'C' and then there was five 'D' where Russell and Jane were, so we were practically, sort of doors opening, not quite see each other but just about and then to get to Gerry and Kate's apartment, who were five 'A', you turn left along a sort of a small wall that separate, that went parallel to the side of the building, but only went to there, to their entrance and then it was sort of dead ended and you go round the corner there to get into their apartment'.
 
00.14.12 4078 'Okay. So if you were walking let's say from the Tapas Bar towards your apartment''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'You wouldn't pass by, directly pass outside Gerry and Kate's apartment''

Reply 'No, because of this, you'd have the wall coming out, which would make it the bedrooms, yeah, which made it the bedroom wall, so you walk past that, you wouldn't actually go through that. There are other ways to get into the apartments, the patio doors, which I will talk about in a second, because dividing, erm, you've got the apartment block, so you've got the road, you've got the, erm, the car park going that way and you've got the apartments where we were and it's a multi-storey, because I haven't mentioned Dave and Fi who were five 'H', I think five 'H''.
 
4078 'Yeah, I think that sounds about right'.

Reply 'And you'd go up the stairs to them, they were the only people on the next floor up, and that's because they had, no, but that's just where their apartment was, they weren't next to us, I think it was to give them a two bedroom place, enough bedrooms for the children, they had a bigger apartment as well, I think to get Di in there as well. Erm, so you've got the apart, you've got the road, you've got the car park, you've got the apartments and then if walk through the apartments you've got patio doors that overlook the Tapas Restaurant and the pool area, but they are separated from that by a small sort of garden, which is just about the width of this room and then there's a sort of a small metal gate that you go out onto a sort of a passageway which runs between the walls that make up your back garden and the wall circling the Tapas and the swimming pool complex, so you could walk through those gates, turn left to get back onto the road and go down the hill to turn back into the Tapas'.
 
00.15.53 4078 'I have got a couple of plans and some photographs and with you talking about it I think I have pretty much got it in context. And the bit that I found difficult yesterday was I assumed that you would walk straight past the bedroom window where Madeleine had been staying''

Reply 'No'.
 
4078 'Until Jane clarified for me that there was the car park in between'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'So actually the only reason to be there would be because you were specifically going into that apartment''

Reply 'Yeah, that's right'
 
4078 'This plan there was obviously is Gerry and Kate's apartment, five 'A'''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And partially your apartment there, look''

Reply 'And so you've got the road that goes down the hill with the Tapas down here, you've got the car park here and you've got the top road, erm, (inaudible), erm, a road up there'.

4078 'And what we did yesterday was we called the doors this side the 'roadside doors' and the other side the 'poolside doors''.
 
Reply 'Okay'.

4078 'Because I think there has been some confusion in the past about front and back doors'.

Reply 'Yes, yeah, it depends which way you call the front and the back, yeah, that makes, erm, that makes sense, yeah'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.17.06 4078 'Right. So where were we. You have arrived and you have settled in your apartment, you think you may have gone to the Supermarket. And do you remember what happened when the rest of the group arrived''

Reply 'Erm, I think, I mean, they would have had to settle into their, and not particularly clearly at this stage, but, I mean, the, that evening, in terms of what was going to happen and where we were going to get food, slightly different, in that, they did an arrival meet and greet at the Millennium Restaurant, which was, erm, slightly distant from the apartment complex, rather than the Tapas, the Tapas was closed for that night and there was also an opportunity to meet sort of the child care people and all of the sort of sports and activities people. So I think, I think at about sort of, erm, I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I think at about four o'clock we also went poolside, four or five o'clock, and that's where you met the Nannies who'd be looking after, you know, the children the next day, so I think we, you know, you met that time and then it was packing up and going over to, erm, the Millennium Restaurant and having tea and then coming back and putting everybody down'.
 
4078 'Right'.

Reply 'So we all ate that evening at the Millennium with, erm, with the kids, except, erm, expect I was feeling unwell so I didn't each much but I was still at the Restaurant that night'.
 
4078 'Right. And what were your interests, what did you intend to sort of be doing that week''

Reply 'Erm, sailing, for me, because, erm, it's, it's a thing I really enjoy but don't have any opportunity to at home. Erm, I mean, they're big on, erm, water sports, MARK WARNER, I mean, they do lots of other things as well, football on the beach and all those sort of things, but really, for me it's, it was an opportunity to sort of get sailing, erm, and tennis, which was the original reason we chose MARK WARNER when we went, because we'd just sort of taken up tennis and wanted to sort of, you know, to be able to play, erm, and so those were the two things that we anticipated doing most of. I mean, the other guys wanted to learn how to wind surf and wanted to learn how to sail because they had only done very little of it or not at all, but wind surfing I'd done plenty of it and don't really find it that, I thought I'd really like it because it's sort of lots of equipment, it's technical and it's sports as well, but it just doesn't work quite for me, but sailing, sailing does and I'd have gone sailing'.
 
00.19.25 4078 'So did you have to sign up during the welcome meeting to what you wanted to do''

Reply 'Yeah, yeah, except the guys signed up for, for sort of introductory lessons in sailing and wind surfing, so I think that took at least two, erm, two mornings of their week and there as no point me doing that introductory bit because you just take the boats out, so I just sort of intended to go down and sail at the same time they were having lessons, erm, and then there was, there was tennis as well'.
 
4078 'Did you play tennis every day''

Reply 'No, erm, no, I think, I think we tried to play tennis, because they two things, they do sort of organised lessons and we signed up for some lessons which got delayed for weather reasons later in the week, I can't remember if we signed up for those straight away, because we didn't do a group, we didn't do a group lesson which we'd done, when did we do a group lesson, I don't think we did, I think we just did, Rachael and I, erm, with, erm, with an instructor, because I think we felt we'd play sort of socially with everybody else and then we'd have, do some sort of private lessons rather than signing up all week. I'm not sure about that. I don't remember playing any organised games with anybody else, I think we just had sort of three, sort of two or three, erm, proper tennis lessons'.
 
4078 'Do you remember when they were''

Reply 'Erm, I know there was one on the last Thursday, because it got moved over from Wednesday, because Wednesday it rained and Thursday was a pretty decent day for weather, erm, so it would probably have been, if I'm thinking it's three, it would probably have been Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, but I can't remember'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'I know we played social tennis with the men in the evening, erm, on that Thursday and we actually, because there weren't that many people around, erm, and we actually asked them whether they could move the tennis forward so they could go to the social tennis, because it was actually later and it would have gone across bath time so at least half of us wouldn't have been able to, erm, wouldn't have been able to go, so they actually moved it forward and I think they moved it to six o'clock from either seven or six thirty, I think we'd asked for it to actually be moved to five thirty but it wasn't obviously fair on everybody else, in terms of guests, so they didn't move it completely forward, but they certainly moved it forward by at least half an hour'.
 
00.21.49 4078 'And that as on the Thursday''

Reply 'They moved it for ever night, erm, but, erm, the Thursday I remember because it was the men's social and we didn't think we were going to be able to, to get there because we were already a bit late down the beach, but we'd had sort of a bit of free time, we'd already had our sort of time off child care, if you like, and we didn't know whether the girls were going to give us a pass to do it, but they did late, so we ended up going to it, but sort of quite late for it, we were pretty late by the time'.
 
4078 'Okay. And I am going to ask, and you may not be able to do this, but I am going to ask if we can go through Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and I appreciate that they are all going to be probably a bit of a blur'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'If there is nothing specific that reminds you of which day was which then that is, you know, we can't help that, but I will go through that process anyway and then it might trigger something, if it doesn't, it doesn't'.

Reply 'Yeah, I mean, I think I'll struggle with that'.
 
4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'But I think the, I mean, I can remember bits of the Wednesday because we did things that were slightly different because it rained. I can remember much more about Thursday because obviously we talked about it much more'.
 
00.22.52 4078 'You said that on Saturday you were feeling a little bit unwell''

Reply 'Saturday I felt unwell, didn't eat much in the evening, which for a free buffet is pretty unusual for me, and then I started throwing up in the evening and I ascribed it to, when we were on the plane on the way out, they were giving out the meals and, you know, all the kids had been changing seats, so there was, I was sat with, erm, Ella, which is, erm, Russell and Jane's eldest daughter and maybe Evie on one side and maybe grace as well, but one of the meals that came round the plastic had already come off and it was in front of Ella and I said 'You have mine just in case there's something wrong with it' and so I blamed that I felt sick that perhaps I was right, it had sort of gone off or something. It may not have been, it may just have been a bug or something, but I usually don't get diarrhoea and vomiting, I mean, I can't remember the last time I've been sick. Erm, but I started feeling a little bit queasy in the evening and then the, erm, the Saturday evening into the Sunday morning I was actually throwing up, which is just incredibly rare for me. So I felt completely icky all the day Sunday, so I think to try and avoid infecting anybody else, I didn't do much outside the apartment and certainly in the evening I didn't go for, erm, didn't go for dinner with everybody else'.
 
4078 'That is Sunday out the way with then'.

Reply 'So Sunday was pretty much a write-off and I was thinking, oh, the start of my holiday and I'm not doing anything that day'.
 
4078 'Yeah. So Monday was really your first proper holiday day''

Reply 'So Monday would have been the first proper holiday day. Erm, in the mornings we, Grace, Rachael and I always had breakfast at the Millennium, apart from the day I was feeling, erm, feeling funny. And I think we were the, I think we saw Jane most days. Gerry and Kate came the first, I think came the first day, or maybe the evening, but then started making their breakfast all the time, because they had three kids to get there and the Millennium was a good ten minute walk along roads with sort of, where you had to actually cross into the road to get round because of obstructions on the pavement and there was quite a lot of sort of fast, although it wasn't sort of like a busy road, but the traffic that did come occasionally came through quite fast, so it was quite a long, erm, a long walk to get there, so they decided that it wasn't worth the hassle and they would just eat and have breakfast in their apartment, so they certainly didn't eat there after that first day, if they made it the first day, I think the group did eat the first day. Erm, what I did on Monday, I don't know, I would have tried to get out on the water at some point and I'm sure we'd have played tennis'.
 
00.25.25 4078 'Was there anybody that you particular spent more time with than the others, sort of there was a lot of you in the group''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Did you tend to spend more time with any particular couple or person''

Reply 'Erm, I probably spent more time with Russell because, oh and probably Dave, because we knew them better and also, erm, Gerry and Kate were much more organised about, erm about their sort of day and what they did and they had signed up for tennis lessons, or did they do tennis group, so they were sort of fairly committed. But we would sort of end up sort of, so, you know, obviously on a Monday we'd have breakfast and then, this is like for every day, we'd then go and drop off at Nursery and so we'd drop Grace off and she didn't really like it and so it was a little bit traumatic, she was actually fine when she was there, which is a typical thing. So you'd go and you'd drop her and then you'd be on to do what you'd do next and at some point we did play tennis, erm, we may well have done that on the first day because it was kind of the easiest thing to do. I don't remember who we played or even if we did that. And the morning would finish around twelve, twelve thirty, we'd then pick Grace, we'd go and, erm, there wasn't really much in the, in the Tapas Restaurant for kids so much, we tended to bring, come back to the apartment and actually sort of do some pasta and or beans or whatever she fancied eating and we'd sort of feed there. And initially I think we did that in our own apartment and we were sort of like chatting over the walls to Gerry and Kate on one side and when the top tier looked over they could see us as well. So we'd do that, she'd go down to sleep about half past twelve, erm, and then that was a relax time, so we'd either sunbathe or read on the outside. And on every lunchtime that I could get away with it, either myself and Dave or one or two of us would go and go down to the waterfront and take a canoe out or a kayak out and sort of bob about in the water. Erm, in the afternoons we didn't take Grace back to Nursery, erm, so we'd keep her with us, she'd sleep sort of, she'd sleep half twelve to sort of one o'clock and if we were upstairs eating with Dave and Fiona, as we did much more towards the end of the week, erm, then she'd maybe sleep 'til half past three and so we'd be up and either playing by the pool or, erm, we might go down to the, we went down to the beach but that was on the Thursday. Erm, yeah, erm, Gerry and Kate put their kids back into the cr'he each afternoon. Erm, David and Fi were a bit more sort of varied about it. And I think Russell and Jane also kept Evie and Ella out, so we'd often pop round to their apartment'.
 
00.28.06 4078 'So the afternoons were more kind of play it by ear''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Around the children and depending on whether they slept or (inaudible) and how much you could get away with''

Reply 'How much you can get away with, it didn't kind of work, it was, it's fairly even. So Rachael and Jane or somebody would go, certainly on the Thursday, because the Thursday is easier to remember for obviously reasons, but Rachael and Jane played tennis that lunchtime and then came back and Russell and I went off to the beach, erm'.
 
4078 '(inaudible) to take care of Grace (inaudible)'.

Reply 'Yeah, there was always that sort of, oh she's gone down to sleep, you know. But, erm, it was quite a nice opportunity to sort of sunbathe and read books and'.
 
4078 'What was the weather like during the week''

Reply 'Erm, it was sunny but cold, the pools were freezing, so we didn't, even though the pool was there, it was unusual for people to be in it. Erm, sunny most days, it got cloudy and it rained on the Wednesday and the Wednesday evening was pretty sort of, in the evenings it was very cold, so at the Tapas Restaurant, when we were there, we'd often, you know, you'd need a jumper if you sat outside and there was no heat particularly, erm, and I think Thursday was sort of fairly similar and quite, well certainly at night and I think the rest had been sort of maybe a little bit overcast at times but I'm not really bothered about the sunbathing and if there was a wind you could go sailing and that was'.
 
00.29.32 4078 'Yeah. So it was a win win situation for you''

Reply 'No, it didn't really matter to me. Although if it wasn't sunny then Rachael wouldn't be sunbathing and she'd be off playing tennis and so I'd be'.
 
4078 'Okay. Do you remember the Monday evening, it probably would have been your first trip to the Tapas Bar, I would imagine''

Reply 'Erm, I remember it only in terms of it then became the same as it was every, every evening. So after the first night they ate they said, you know, it was all, you know, it was nice. Erm, because the options for eating in the evening, because Rachael actually booked the restaurant for the rest of the week after the first time on the Sunday night when they ate and it was all very successful. And because, the whole point of going to MARK WARNER, apart from, you know, the sort of the sport and things, is this issue of child care, which of course has changed for us completely now, but when you go to (inaudible) or you go to the other ones, they tend to be sort of a compound, I mean, they're not sealed from people from the outside, but they're sort of self-enclosed, erm, there's a warden sort of at the gate house, but you can walk in and out pretty freely, and they do a baby listening service, erm, so they have a number of the Nannies who are on rota who will sit at the bottom of the, Lemnos was sort of like lots of little cottages, not cottages, little sort of flats, apartments going up on two hillsides, and so they would walk round, erm, you know, round and went past all the, erm, apartments and have a listen at the door to see whether anybody was crying or upset and at the start of the evening, as you went past, you'd give them your room number and where you were going to be and then if they heard anybody crying you'd then be taken back up the, erm, you know, they'd find you in the restaurant and you'd go up to the door and see what was going on. And that was the sort of thing that we were looking for when we booked the MARK WARNER because, it kind of seems funny when you look at it from this perspective, but at the time, it was just about having a safe environment where, you know, the kids, because all the time and all through this, the thing you ever worry about is, if I leave them alone and they're, you think that they're safe because they're all locked, you're not really thinking that anything horrible would happen, you think, what happens if they wake up and they're crying and you're not there and, you know, they're going to be upset and you think, well, you know, if they've got this then it's going to be ten minutes at the most, erm, and it's going to be awful and you'll feel bad about it if it happens, but Grace is a really good sleeper and, you know, we've got that sort of safety net, so we were looking for that for Praia da Luz. And it was one of the things that made us think, maybe we shouldn't go, because when we were trying to book, you know, it said it's a village, it's not enclosed, it's sort of apartments throughout the village and, erm, there isn't a baby listening service and we can't guarantee that you'll be together, you know, because I think there were three centres, there's one up by the Millennium, there's one Ocean Club and then there was the one near the main entrance, and so we were concerned that if one member of the group, we were all going, oh perhaps we'll be the Billy no mates, the really unpopular ones will get stuck at the Millennium and, you know, we won't be able to, we won't be able to go out and visit our friends because we're not going to leave, you know, we're not going to leave to, erm, to go and see them and we won't be able to share child care and so it would be fairly difficult and it was a big issue because they couldn't guarantee, the couldn't allocate the rooms, erm, for us and they said it'll have to wait until you get in the resort, erm, but in the end it was sort of quite quiet and so they sort of could stick us really close together. I can't remember why I started talking about that''
 
00.33.03 4078 'It is because we talked about your first night at the Tapas Bar and then you came on to say the routine would have been the same as every night'.

Reply 'Right'.
 
00.33.07 4078 'So you were just going to cover the arrangements that had been put in place for checking on the children''

Reply 'Right. And so the Tapas seemed to fit because, because you didn't feel far away from the room, it felt so quiet and very safe and it was sort of a minutes walk, if that, you know, the actual distance seemed quite, you know, you were sort of falsely reassured, but obviously at this point you could see the back of your apartment, not hugely clearly, but you can sort of see the apartment block, erm, you know, you could see if the light came on, for instance, or you felt that you'd be able to see if the light came on and, you know, because we were sort of going what we thought was every sort of ten or fifteen minutes, basically between courses, then you could go. And rather than go and find another restaurant where not everybody would be able to go because somebody would need to be babysitting, it seemed most sensible just to, to stay put in the same place, erm, because the food was pretty reasonable and just trekking everywhere else was going to make it such a headache for the child care. And then this issue of, well you do just put the kids in with babysitters, because they were in a sort of a Nanny sort of a night drop-off service, but that kind of felt less safe, in that, one, they wouldn't sleep or Grace wouldn't, we'd be worried that she wouldn't particularly sleep and she'd be worried and it'd be difficult to drop her off because she really didn't like being dropped off at the Nursery, erm, which I always tried to avoid that chore, I did it on the Thursday, but she didn't like it and she wouldn't go to sleep particular well with sort of strangers in a room when people would be coming in and out to collect their children'.

4078 'It would be unsettling for her'.

Reply 'So it actually seemed a worse choice than just being close but not actually in the room (inaudible)'.
 
4078 'Was there an actual discussion between the group of you as to the sort of fifteen minute checks or ten minute checks or whatever or was it something that you as a couple had decided on and then the circumstances during the week meant that everyone had sort of taken it in turns to check''

Reply 'No, we pretty much checked our, well certainly we checked our own and it was only the last night that we offered to check for Gerry and Kate. It just, we are sort of fairly similar, our sort of views on sort of child care and that it was important, we're sort of from the same background, we have sort of similar issues about sort of child rearing, which is why we sort of get on and there was nothing obvious that anybody would do anything particularly different. I mean, Russell and Jane sort of, erm, are sort of fairly relaxed and easy going, erm, and Dave and Fi are sort of a bit disorganised and a bit late and Gerry and Kate are much more organised and we sort of fit sort of between that end of between, between that end of the scale and Russell and Jane. So it was all sort of, it was just sort of natural, we didn't decide, oh we'll do this, it just sort of came at natural breaks, we'd come down and we'd go between sort of courses to sort of check, but we usually, we'd check our own and, as far as I know, that didn't really change. Although, because it wouldn't seem, certainly for Russell and Jane I'd be happy to check for their children because they know me and if, you know, they had been awake and I went in they wouldn't be particularly, erm, you know, they wouldn't be particularly shocked or surprised or not know who I was, but Gerry and Kate and their children I didn't know them so well, so I wouldn't and certainly at the beginning of the week have offered to check their children or assumed that that would be okay, it was only at the end of the week when we seemed to know each other better and our routines and everybody seemed to be doing the same thing that it seemed to be a nice thing to do to offer to save them a trip'.
 
00.36.24 4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'But, no, the, there was no sort of formal arrangement, as far as I know, for, for when we would go and check on the kids, we just went at sort of convenient times as we could'.

4078 'Okay. So I know you can't specifically remember the Monday evening, but that began with the sort of weekly routine (inaudible)''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Was there, had there been, also before the Thursday, had there been any problems with that routine''

Reply 'No, erm, anything out of the usual or out of the ordinary''
 
00.36.58 4078 'Yeah, was there anything that sort of made you more anxious about Grace's welfare''

Reply 'No'.
 
4078 'Had she woken up on any of those occasions''

Reply 'No, not that we know. I mean, she may have, I mean, she's a good sleeper and we put her down about half seven, so we had about an hour to make sure that she settled well, but she was so tired from going to Nursery and being out and playing with all of the others that, erm, you know, she slept like a top. Erm, there was nothing unusual, we never sort of came in and had, had a sort of a worry about her not being happy or being well'.
 
4078 'So the overall effect of that, I am assuming, would be that you were really quite relaxed on that holiday, you were doing things that you enjoyed doing''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Grace was occupied and happy''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And in the evening you had felt very sure that she was sufficiently tired for you to go and have your meal and you and Rachael would take it in turns to check on her''

Reply 'Yeah, yeah'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'I mean, we'd be, we'd be back by, there was only one time that we ever went out for a drink after the meal, so normally the meal would finish around sort of ten and we'd tootle off back. And I was ill on one night, Rachael was ill on the Wednesday night and so the Wednesday night was the only time that I stayed out any later than that. So it was, and we'd already (inaudible), so it was sort of like an hour and a half of time that we were away, maybe two hours'.
 
00.38.15 4078 'Was there anything different about the Tuesday that you can recall''

Reply 'Erm, no, I don't remember anything specific about, about that day. I mean, Rachael became ill on the Tuesday night. Grace had, the thing that would have made it really horrible, when I became unwell, was for everybody then to go down with D and V, and we were sort of very worried that it would go first to Grace and then to the kids and then back up to everybody and completely ruin the entire trip for everybody, and Grace had loose nappies nearly every day, but until after Madeleine went, erm, disappeared, she was never sick and on a couple of occasions then she was sick, but she had sort of fairly loose nappies. Rachael became I think unwell over the Tuesday night and was, erm, mostly sort of pottering about the apartment on the Wednesday. But, apart from that, I don't remember anything else about the Tuesday'.
 
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(CONTINUATION OF INTERVIEW) - part 2:-

4078 'Okay. So, by the Wednesday then, Rachael was pretty much confined to the apartment, if you like''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And do you remember what you did that day''

Reply 'Erm, I remember I went running with Kate at lunchtime, she's quite a good runner, and we went out on the road all the way up to the main junc, erm, the sort of main road where you access Praia da Luz from and then back'.
 
4078 'What sort of distance would that be''

Reply 'Erm, yeah, I think it'd be about three or four miles, maybe each way'.
 
4078 'And you run, do you often run''

Reply 'Erm, no, I don't like it, but I quite like it on holiday when it's a bit warmer and it's not so bad on your joints and I quite like running on the beach, because it feels quite sort of Bay Watch and it's kind of Californian'.
 
4078 'In your own mind, yeah'.

Reply 'Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I woke up. But, erm, yeah, but, erm, no, she's quite a good runner and I quite enjoy it every now and again, but, if it's sort of unusual and you're sort of exploring a bit'.
 
00.40.05 4078 'And how did'.

Reply 'I can't remember how that came about'.
 
4078 'That is what I was going to ask'.

Reply 'Yeah, erm, it may have been that, because I think Kate might have run most days, because she was quite a keen runner, and it may just be that either I thought I'd go for a run and she was already changed, or I was changed and, or Gerry might have said that, erm, I'm speculating, it may just have been coincidence that we both got into running gear and then decided to run together'.
 
4078 'But you went on this route and are saying you found it quite hard to keep up''

Reply 'Yeah, well, yeah, she's quite a good runner'.
 
4078 'Right. Do you remember what you had one before that, in the morning''

Reply 'No, I have a feeling that on the Tuesday was one of the sessions that the guys had, either a wind surf or a sailing lesson down the beach, so I think I'd have gone down there to sail. Wind conditions were kind of funny, the, the, because it was kind of, kind of a thermal sort of cycle, so in the morning it's actually quite quiet and good for beginners because the wind's not really started to blow and the land heats up and the wind comes in as things move in, so it was the afternoons that were really strong enough for what I wanted to do, so I think I must have been a bit disappointed. But I think the Tuesday and Thursday were days that they had lessons and I went, I'm fairly sure that I went down to the beach whilst they went and took out one of the other boats. The Wednesday, one of the days I went out with Russell and we just bobbed about on the kayaks because, and I think that was either a Monday or a Tuesday. When did I go back into the water, have I missed one. One of the days we were bobbing about on the water just sort of chatting at lunchtime'.
 
4078 'How busy was it around the beach''

Reply 'Fairly quiet, yeah'.

00.41.51 4078 'And on all the occasions where you went sailing on your own or with Russell or running even with Kate, was there anybody, with hindsight now, that sort of springs to mind that you noticed hanging around that you wouldn't have expected to have been there or that you didn't recognise from the holiday''

Reply 'Yeah, I've thought about this a lot and, no, there was nobody that, erm, there was nobody that seemed to be odd or taken an unusual interest'.
 
4078 'And I have no doubt you have thought about it time and time again, like you said at the beginning, and in all those times you haven't sort of come to any theories about the staff at the complex or''
Reply 'No, I mean, there was nobody that gave you a particularly bad feeling. Erm, I mean, there was one incident where somebody, and I think Russell mentioned, might have mentioned it, about somebody that was videoing and doing pictures of kids, and I remember being there at the time and the video and everything and was sort of speaking to them, but I don't, you know, I didn't really know them, I didn't get any particular vibes, they had children, they had a video camera'.
 
4078 'And nothing else has sprung to mind at all''

Reply 'I think, erm, no, I mean, we were so fairly, you know, although we'd spoke to other people and chatted, it was mainly, it was sort a self-sufficient group, there was such a number of us, so if we went to play tennis we weren't necessarily, erm, sort of, erm, taking anybody else on, or sort of, erm, just mixing with the group, because we had enough people to play with on our own'.
 
4078 'And the beach was fairly quiet''

Reply 'The beach was fairly quiet'.
 
4078 'Can you recall the pool and the Tapas''

Reply 'The pool and the Tapas were fairly quiet'.
 
4078 'What about in the evenings when you were going back to check on Grace, do you recall some of the other people around''

Reply 'No, there'd be rarely, rarely anybody about, maybe an occasional one person. Erm, tut, was he, was it the chap, whose name I can't remember, he had a child who was willing to be part of, or was being suggested for the interview, Jeremy, Jeremy or somebody''
 
00.43.49 4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'Who had a child and I think I'd seen him around because I think their child didn't sleep particularly well and he may have been pushing or he might have been collecting from cr'he, but what day or what time, I don't really remember'.
 
4078 'How did you come to know Jeremy''

Reply 'It was a couple that we spoke to while we were on, Jeremy I think I spoke to on the coach, either on the coach or we already said something, you know, something when we were checking in, sort of that'd have been four o'clock in the morning or whenever it was, and there was, so I think I spoke to him on the coach or on the plane on the way over, definitely on the coach or on the plane on the way over, and sort of said hi every now and again, but didn't, erm, you know anything more than that really'.
 
4078 'And did you speak to him during the holiday''

Reply 'Yeah, just on odd occasions'.
 
4078 'Okay. Right. So, I mean, having said that you had struggled to remember what you did each day, you have done pretty well really so far, you have remembered, for example, that Rachael was unwell all day on the Wednesday, so therefore you had gone for a run with Kate. I am guessing, would that have been when Grace was asleep or''

Reply 'I think that was lunchtime'.
 
4078 'Yeah. Do you remember what you did after your run with Kate''

Reply 'No, because I'd have been on, I'd have been on Grace duty I think that afternoon. So given that Rachael was unwell and she was sort of in and out of bed (inaudible). Erm, but a lot of the time we ended up, there was sort of like a play area by the pool with sort of like a plastic, you know, sort of house and little slides, and we spent most evenings, after the kids, because the kids ate a little bit earlier, they ate about sort of quarter to five sometime round there, they'd have their tea, and we'd all move over to this sort of play area, because, I mean, it was fantastic, because there was just like little play houses and things and, you know, sort of lots of grass, so there'd be lots of sort of, they'd sort of chase each other round, they'd play on these bits and, you know, we'd chase them, erm, backwards and forwards, you know, taking it in turns and just sort of stand around and chat. Some people might play tennis at that point in sort of part of the social games, because they did, they did like a sort of mixed, women's night, men's night, social, like that. So there was definitely times when Rachael was on the court, because Grace would be going, like sort of seeing them on the court, she didn't like it, she'd look like at the netting, going 'Mummy, mummy' and 'Come on, come and play'. Erm, so that was pretty much the routine for most nights and we may have gone over and played with that, erm, played with that stuff a little bit earlier as well'.
 
00.46.17 4078 'Was it during those sort of times where you got to know Gerry and Kate a little bit more''

Reply 'Predominantly those, because that's when we saw them most, I mean, it'd be sort of a good hour. And the awful thing was that Madeleine always used to say 'Oh come on be a monster, be a monster, chase me' and, you know, and you think, you know, there really are, you know, it was all pretend at that point, but of course, erm, not as it turned out that, you know, the fact that she said that was, erm. But, you know, it was all, you know, fun, the children running round and then they'd all jump on Dave or jump on Gerry, it was all, you know, they got on great, there was a sort of good range of ages so they had enough people to play with, yeah, it was great, they loved it, running around'.
 
4078 'And I will ask this question, because I know it comes into play later on, so we may as well cover it while we are going through this'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.47.07 4078 'As you got to know Gerry and Kate how did you find them''

Reply 'Yeah, they're, erm, I mean, they're very similar sort of people. I mean, they were absolute, they absolutely loved their kids and there's no question to any of us that they had anything to do with this. Erm, they were appropriate, friendly, they had the same, I mean, we're all medics, so you've got that in common anyway. Erm, but, yeah, I mean, you see them on the cameras on TV and they're all sort of, they are all sort of very, very sort of focussed, very, you know, sort of (inaudible) but they know what they want and they can explain it, they are articulate. I mean, he's a, sort of an academic sort of medic, so, you know, it's sort of a competitive field where you compete for grants and staff and all that sort of thing, so you need to know what you're doing, you need to be sort of fairly on the ball and that's just how he is, I mean, it's just, if he's got a project, he's sort of very focussed and sort of fairly, fairly driven. Erm, but, absolutely, sort of great parents. I mean, most of my memory from Italy is of sort of, you know, I think, I think Madeleine may have had quite a bit of attention when she was younger. She was mostly in and out of sort of the apartment, didn't see much of her there. I saw more of Gerry when we were playing sort of football and things. But, yeah, you know, just a normal. I mean, he'd done quite a lot of sports, erm, on a Wednesday night particularly and when we went to the bar after we spent a lot of time talking about sort of, you know, could it have been slightly different could I have been a professional footballer, you know, this is how, I enjoyed it and how far I got and we talked about sort of what I'd done and there was quite a lot in common, erm, in common with that. Erm, Kate sort of initially was much sort of quieter but when you sort of talked to her she's, erm, sort of just friendly and sort of warm and just a normal person'.
 
4078 'And how would you describe Madeleine''

Reply 'Erm, yeah, sweet, lovely, you know, sort of very sort of outgoing and, erm, you know, enthusiastic, bounds of energy, sort of memories of her as they're running round the bits when we sort of chased her, it was always 'I want more. I want more. Be a monster. Be a monster' and running round, yeah'.
00.49.15 4078 'Sad memories for you all, or mixed memories probably, I should imagine, bitter sweet''

Reply 'Yeah, erm'.
 
4078 'And you said the Wednesday you stayed later and you went for a drink after the meal at the Tapas''

Reply 'Yeah, we might have had one, erm, so about sort of half an hour or so later that we went back. But the reason, now we mention it, but I think that was on the Thursday, when we went to the table, I didn't sit next to Gerry, because we had this conversation, he said, you know, he'd bored the pants off me yesterday when we were talking about his sports (inaudible)'.
 
4078 'Right'.

Reply 'I don't know why I brought that up, I don't know, it seemed to be sort of part of my thought'.
 
4078 'On the subject of drinking and how much you had to drink in the evenings, has obviously been mentioned in the past, so I will ask the question'.

Reply 'Yeah, somebody said fourteen bottles, I think, oh, tut'.
 
4078 'Blimey'.

Reply 'I know and that was each'.
 
4078 'So how much did you really have to drink, obviously it is going to be different each night, but, you know, roughly''

Reply 'I think we had, I think we had between four and six bottles at the most on the table open but not emptied, so I think we started with either one of each, sort of a white and a red, or two of each, and then may have had an extra one during the course, but not, not drunk, you know, maybe two or three sort of glasses. Erm, it is difficult because, you know, it's holiday and the sort of the bottles are there and I don't particularly, I have to be in the sort of right sort of mood to drink and, you know, it sort of can be a bit cold and it wasn't always sort of conducive to having, erm, having lots'.
 
00.50.51 4078 'To what extent, did you feel like you had been drinking then''

Reply 'No, not at all'.
 
4078 'Were there any evenings where you felt, oh I feel like I've had a lot''
Reply 'No'.
 
4078 'So you always felt relatively sober''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Is there anything that you can think of, worthy of mention, up until the Wednesday night before we move onto the Thursday''

Reply 'Erm, no, my initial thought is there's nothing that's leapt out that I haven't mentioned before. Erm, I mean, there was no sort of strange people or anything unusual with the, with the flat. Some people had, I mean, gardeners came round to trim the gardens once or twice, or maybe just once a week, I mean, because we were there for three weeks, maybe they came round slightly more. Erm, somebody had workmen in maybe during, the shutter we broke, the shutter, erm, broke for, the outside shutter by the patio door broke for us on the first day, I think it went back up into its, so you couldn't actually drop it on the outside, the shutter by the patio, but we didn't drop that anyway, erm, until we got in at night, but I think it broke and it had to be, and I think they did come, yes, they did come and repair it. But apart from that there wasn't really anybody else (inaudible)'.
 
4078 'We will concentrate more on your apartment actually before we move on to the Thursday'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'How are you doing, you know, do you need a break or anything''

Reply 'No, I'm fine'.
 
00.52.34 4078 'So we have got the diagram there of your'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Well mainly all of your apartment and Gerry and Kate's obviously. Up until the Wednesday night, from what you have already said then, you didn't go into Gerry and Kate's apartment, well, sorry, you didn't check on Gerry and Kate's children''

Reply 'No'.
 
4078 'Had you been into their apartment before''

Reply 'Erm, I don't think so. It's hard to remember now at this point because I know what it looks like. I mean, we certainly knew the back where their patio was. And it may have been on the first day that we actually looked at everybody's apartment, because we had the smallest, erm, apartment, because we only needed one bedroom and they needed two, erm, so we may have had a brief walk through or as far as the kitchen. But I can't say with any certainty that I'd been in'.
 
4078 'Okay. Can I just borrow that back from you because there might be another plan in there'.

Reply 'I mean, that, I can't remember whether that was asked in any of the original statements, there might be something about that there and that would, I would recall that better'.
 
4078 'That is just a plan that somebody has drawn up of the area. It is marked Exhibit DM2 for anybody that is interested watching the DVD. You have already described the layout of where you were in relation to the Tapas'.

Reply 'Right. It's sort of pushed out a little bit. Yeah, that's right'.
 
4078 'So this would be Gerry and Kate's apartment''

Reply 'On this corner here, round this kind of, kind of wall, yeah. So their door entrance would be in that sort of corner there and your access would be up and across the car park so you'd get onto the pavement and come down and then back into the Tapas here and then there's a wall here and sort of a footpath between the lower wall dividing the apartments and sort of a five foot'ish wall on that side. Erm, I'm not sure about that building there, that's where they had the tennis place, but there's just like a little reception just in the actual doorway itself, yeah'.
 
00.54.53 4078 'So can you just mark on there for me your route between the Tapas and your apartment' Did you always take the same route''

Reply 'No, erm, because during the day, if somebody was in the apartment, erm, we'd go back through the patio doors, we'd just leave them open, you know, if somebody was in, but at night we didn't, we always locked it and went round the back. So the day route, when somebody was in, we're just going to go sort of, erm, do you want me to put them both on, I'm going to have to choose a different colour, and so the night route would be'.
 
4078 'I'm not prepared for that'.

Reply 'Erm, would be, erm, you can't sort of get over that wall, if that's pavement, then that's down the pavement and you'd go down there to the, to the Tapas and back and forward and that would be the checking route'.
 
4078 'That is fine'.

Reply 'Erm, the day route, you might, you'd sneak back up here and go through the patio doors'.
 
4078 'Yeah. It's more the night route I was interested in because obviously when we come on to talk about the Thursday evening it is going to be your route and in relation to what everyone else has said'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'I am just going to call this now MO1, just because it is specific to you now that that is the route that you have taken'.

Reply 'Yeah, sure'.
 
4078 'And we will do an Exhibit label for that as well in due course, no point wasting the time doing it at the moment. And then logistically then, when you would go to your apartment to check Grace''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.56.22 4078 'You would come through, as you have described''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And through the roadside door, if you like, rather than the poolside door, would that be right''

Reply 'Yeah, so you have got those dotty bits there. So our door is here, these are the shutters on the back of our thing, so you'd come out through here and you'd come in and you'd go into the room here. And we had the bed, erm, the bed head was here and came out into the room and Grace's cot was here'.
 
4078 'Okay. So Grace was in the cot rather than the bed''

Reply 'Yeah, yeah, she was in'.
 
4078 'Okay. And this door here, what was the door like''

Reply 'Erm, brown, erm, big, brown and wood, brown and wood like. There was a lock, erm, it sort of, you know, one of those you turn twice with the key. And I think, and sort of I think a round, or was it like a lever handle, I can't remember what the handle was like, I think you had to turn it to go in and so it would snip, erm, you couldn't really shut it with the lock on, but I think if you didn't lock it up here you could then just open it and shut it, I think you had to actually lock it to, it wasn't like a Yale thing that, erm, stops you opening it again, I think'.
 
4078 'On the evenings where you and Rachael both went to the Tapas and you checked on Grace''

Reply 'Umm'.
 
4078 'What did you do in relation to securing the apartment, did you lock''

Reply 'Erm, these would all be locked'.
 
4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'The shutters, we didn't open all week, because there's kind of no point. I mean, we went in that bedroom for Grace to sleep during that day, it needed to be dark and kept it at an even temperature, there was no point putting it up and down. I know the, one of the things I said in my statement, when we talk about the Thursday, was where the two windows were only the one, and I thought the two were on this bedroom rather than this one and so, you know, I said, you go through, but there's actually two more, apparently two on those, they showed me a photograph of that. So that's something I know that I got mistaken by, I thought there were two on next door, because I don't think I'd ever noticed it because I think because we'd never pulled up the shutters, they were always sort of down, we just didn't interfere with those'.
 
00.58.35 4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'And so the patio doors would be shut and locked, erm, the outside, erm, shutter wouldn't have been down until we were in there'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'Erm, but everything else, there'd had been no windows, the windows would all be shut and secured'.
 
4078 'So at this end then the shutters would have been down and that would have been locked''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Okay. And you say Grace was in this first bedroom on the left here''

Reply 'Yeah, there's only one bedroom in ours, so we all slept together, so it was us and Grace was there. Erm, there's just like a bathroom and toilet, the bath goes along there. Erm, and there's sort of like a living area with, erm, there was a TV I think on the table there, a side table, a couch and a couch there'.
 
4078 'Okay. When obviously you were next to the McCANN's, in their apartment''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Did you hear between the apartments''

Reply 'You could hear from the bathrooms, erm, you'd be able to sort of hear, you'd be able to sort of hear talking and, particularly at bath time. They'd go slightly earlier than Grace just because, erm, I mean, sort of I'm a bit disorganised about getting Grace, you know, to bed, erm, so they'd already be in bed slightly earlier, but you'd often hear them in the bathroom. And I know that Grace had, erm, some fairly loose nappies that needed putting in the bath to clean off, which she hated, so she used to cry for that first thing in the morning and I think they'd heard her, erm, erm, heard her in the morning. But you'd often hear them talking in the evening'.
 
01.00.17 4078 'You see, the reason I am asking that is, I think it was the Sunday night that you stayed in the apartment, wasn't it''

Reply 'It was on Sunday night, yeah'.
 
4078 'Did you hear any of the children during that Sunday evening that you are conscious of''

Reply 'No, no, I mean, at no time we didn't hear, I mean, sort of the big picture about whether, you know, they were being sort of, you know, well looked after, I didn't hear any sort of screaming, shouting or, you know, anything sort of untoward'.
 
4078 'You have and you had no concerns about''

Reply 'No, either child care or parenting or them not being happy. I mean, you know, you do a bit of child psychology when you do and you know what, you know, what kids should do. If you leave them in a room and you've got, and they're linked, well linked to their parent, they look anxious, then they leave the room and they're happy when you come back, they're, you know, it was all appropriate sort of, you know, there was nothing odd about the way they interact with their children, they didn't do anything that would made me think, you know, that was my'.
 
4078 'Okay. Right. The Tuesday evening would have been the evening that Rachael stayed in the apartment''

Reply 'Rachael was sort of, erm, became unwell the Tuesday evening, erm, and she stayed in the apartment, yeah'.
 
01.01.34 4078 'The reason I am specific about that is because there is a statement from somebody who says they hear children crying and I think it is the Tuesday evening, I will stand corrected if I am wrong, it was either the Tuesday or the Wednesday'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'So I must make a point of mentioning it to the other Officer to specifically ask Rachael. I am sure she will recall and say if there was anything relevant but we must ask'.

Reply 'Yeah, I think, for some reason, she's, I don't know whether that's come up before, maybe just asked her non-specifically did she hear anything, but I didn't on the Sunday night and, you know, she'd have said if, and she's never said that she heard anything'.
 
4078 'Yeah. Okay. I will just make a note to myself though just to remind me because, as I say, whilst you are here it is best to ask all the questions'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Okay. So that takes us really up until the Wednesday night. And the Thursday is going to be you actually go through that sort of blow by blow as far as we can'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'So it may be a good time for a break if that is okay with you''

Reply 'That's fine, erm, either, what you need to do'.
 
4078 'I think we have been, what time did we start'.

Reply 'About an hour I think we've done'.
 
4078 'Okay. Well we will just have a short break and I will get you a tea or coffee''

Reply 'Erm, I'd love coffee'.
 
4078 'Coffee''

Reply 'Yeah, please. But I can make it next door if you like''
 
01.02.46 4078 'No, well if you pop next door I will bring it down to you in a minute'.

Reply 'Alright. Thanks'.
 
4078 'And then when we come back in to do the next interview we can concentrate on the Thursday without having a break during that process'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Because it is nice if it, you know, if it is flowing just to carry on'.

Reply 'Yeah, alright. Thanks'.

4078 'Alright'.

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SM M OLDFIELD
 

00.00.03 4078 'Okay. It says the time is eleven fifty-four and we are still on Wednesday the ninth of April two thousand and eight. I am DC Sophie FERGUSON from Leicestershire Major Crime Unit. I know we have already had an interview but just introduce yourself again please''

Reply 'I'm Matthew David OLDFIELD'.
 
4078 'Thank you'.

Reply 'Do you need my address or anything''
 
4078 'No, I think we will go with the first one for that. We have been speaking Matthew already about, you know, the first part of your holiday in Praia da Luz last May''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And obviously in relation to Madeleine McCANN going missing. And we have already covered between Saturday and Wednesday night. And then we got to the point where I kind of enforced a break on you. And we can now concentrate on Thursday, if you are okay with that''

Reply 'Yeah, that's fine'.
 
4078 'Again, like I said at the beginning of the last interview, it is just as you remember it, you know, if you remember things differently to how, you know, things are written in statements and that becomes apparent later on, don't worry about that, it is as you can remember it now. You haven't looked at your statements this morning''.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.01.02 4078 'And you know that you are able to do that if you want to. But we have, well you have decided, and I am in agreement with that, that you are going to do this without looking at your statement first''

Reply 'Yeah, I mean, I think the Thursday is the day we've thought about the most and that certain bits of it I don't remember particularly well but the important bits I think I do and I think there are bits that, erm, that from my previous statement, I don't think there is anything different in there but, erm, I do think and I'm happy with the statement first'.
 
4078 'You might be surprised but this isn't a test'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'This is just to recall'.

Reply 'I know it feels like an exam of course but'.
 
4078 'Does it''

Reply 'Yeah, a bit'.
 
4078 'Oh sorry, well I will try not to make it feel like an exam'.

Reply 'No, you know, it's a test of memory'.
 
4078 'Yeah, it is a test of memory obviously'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'But we will move through it and we will do it as we have done the rest of it, if you can tell me as much as you can remember and then sort of we will go through the finer details later on''

Reply 'Yeah, yeah, I mean, as I say, Thursday I think since I've thought about it and it's much clearer. The Thursday morning we, Rachael, Grace and I went to the Millennium Restaurant for breakfast, well as we did each morning, as I've already said. There wasn't anybody else there, we had breakfast on our own. I don't mean there was nobody else at any other table, but it was fairly quiet, but none of the other group were there initially. Now we were always fairly early because Grace was always awake earliest, erm, awake at, I don't know'.
 
00.02.26 4078 'Lucky you!'

Reply 'Yeah, always by half six or six o'clock and she'd be sort of sparky and awake and wanting to get up and so we'd sort of trudge on and we might even be banging on the doors waiting for them to open up, we'd be fairly early to breakfast. And so that morning we'd eaten breakfast and we were ready to leave before anybody else arrived and we were actually out of the door when Russell, with his two children, but not Jane, arrived. Erm, so because I don't, I didn't really enjoy dropping Grace off at Nursery because she got a bit upset, Rachael volunteered to go and do it. So she went back, erm, she went back first and I stayed with Russell and went back in for breakfast, because I was going to go down to the beach and sail because they had, erm, either a sailing or a wind surfing, I think they had sailing that morning, so I was going to go down and go sailing, that's what we'd agreed that I would do. Erm, so we went back in and he had breakfast and I think Jane had tennis, I think maybe they were, I think they had a lesson, did they have a lesson together Rachael and Jane, erm, they wouldn't have done because we'd have had lessons as a couple. And so I went back in with Russell and Ella and Evie and we had breakfast and then we walked back together and we, Russell had to take Ella and Evie, erm, so he dropped Ella off at the, at her Nursery area which was separate from where we drop Grace, and then he went on and I turned left and went down to the beach and went sailing for that morning. Erm, from then,
I don't remember, I assume we made our way back from the beach, picked Grace up from Nursery and, erm, had lunch, but I can't remember where we had lunch that day, it may have been at Dave and Fiona's by that point in the week. Erm, and then in the aft, when Grace went down to sleep Rachael went to play tennis with Jane, I'm fairly sure about that. And then I went down to the beach with Russell and we actually went sailing for part of the evening, erm, for part of the afternoon, so it was sort of relatively late in the, erm, because Grace would sleep sort of half twelve, one o'clock and she'd sleep for sort of a couple of hours and Rachael would be out to play tennis and then came back, erm, so we went off from then. And I'd been, we'd been down to the beach a couple of times before but we'd end up going canoeing and I'd always wanted to go sailing because the boats that I'd really like to sale are the big catamarans, they've got some (inaudible) cats, which are, erm, sort of sixteen foot long, but you ideally need, certainly in a breeze, you need two people to weight them down or they tend to turn over, so I'd always been trying to get him out on one of those and he sort of agreed to, erm, and he didn't have confidence in my sailing abilities, but, erm, he agreed to come on one of those and there was enough wind that lunchtime to actually do it. And so we went back down to the beach and took one of the cats out and we were out a bit longer than expected because part of the boat's strapping fell off and I fell off the back and so we got sort of stranded in the water and he didn't really know how to sail but managed to bring the boat round and I was sort of like a mile from shore thinking I'm going to have to swim all the way back or he's going to run me down with the boat, but he actually did really well and actually managed to pick me up on the back of the boat. Erm, by the time we'd got back in the, erm, the rest of the families were down on the beach, apart from Gerry and Kate and their kids, so it was Dave and Fiona and Lily and Scarlet, erm, and Jane and Ella and Evie and they were playing on the beach. And so we sort of put the boat away, got changed and came over to them, all sort of full of our experiences of falling over and Russell saving my life, as he, you know, he told you yesterday'.
 
00.06.02 4078 'I bet he loved that'.

Reply 'Yeah, he did like that. And it wasn't my fault I fell off the back. Erm, I think he was steering. Well, anyway, so we came back. And then we went from there and we actually had, unusually, we had, erm, actually had tea with the kids down at the restaurant, which I think is call the Paradiso or Para, Paradiso, sort of a beachfront restaurant, it's on the sand and you access by sort of boardwalks, and we actually had, erm, tea with the kids and ice cream. Now we was, there was a men's social tennis that night, but because we'd had sort of quite a, it was quite sort (inaudible), we'd actually been off sort of enjoying ourselves and sailing, erm, it got sort of quite late and we didn't think we were actually going to be able to go, so we actually had a beer at the restaurant while the kids were, you know, they were eating, and it was past six before the girls said, well they've moved this forward for us and we're not turning up to the social tennis so you guys should go. So we finished and set off, probably about twenty past six, sometime around there, because it was after when we'd got them to move, we were already late, so I think if we'd said, if they'd move it to six thirty and we're setting off at six twenty, I would have been happy that we could have made it there in time, but we'd already gone past the time when I thought we won't be able to go because we were already so late'.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 10:28:PM
(CONTINUATION OF INTERVIEW) - part 3:-

00.07.20 4078 'Was that you, David and'.

Reply 'Russell'.
 
4078 'Russell'.

Reply 'It was men's social. Erm, so we went back up, erm, back to, well I went back to the apartment, got the tennis gear and back onto the courts or back to the courts area, erm, and the other guys went to get their stuff. Erm, and I think Dave said that he'd been to the apartment, but I don't know that for definite, that's just something I think has come out, I didn't know anything about that. So we went, got our stuff and came back to the courts, which were already in play, because the social had already started. And Gerry was down playing on a court, I think there was only three of them, I think the, erm, the coach, whose name I can't remember, the tennis coach, the blonde haired bloke, erm, was playing to make up the numbers. And so we waited and watched for a little while, so we didn't get on court until, phew, sometime closer to seven, so maybe sort of quarter to or twenty to or ten to seven we went down to the court. And we were hoping that Gerry would actually stay and make up the four, because everybody, there was one court that was full of four and then there was a three over he, but he, erm, sort of went back to, erm, to sort of help with, you know, Kate and the kids and didn't stay to sort of play with us and there was just the three of us and I think the coach stayed and played to make up the four initially, but didn't want to stay, so he didn't stay the whole time. But we played then for, I think the best part of an hour, erm, before going back to the apartment. And that would have made me slightly late for putting Grace to bed, so I was sort of, oh I better go, I better finish now because, you know, Rachael will be doing it all on her own'.
 
00.08.51 4078 'You would be in trouble''

Reply 'Well, yeah, and also because, you know, I like doing the, I usually do bath time and Rachael would do the story, so I was quite keen to get back anyway. So half seven we'd normally be trying to get her down to, but she was, erm, awake when I got back so we did the story, I mean, she'd had a bath and been out, but it was just sort of the down time before getting into bed, I'm pretty certain she was still awake at that point when we came back, so we put her down and read stories, erm, she goes down fairly easy, she goes into our bedroom and we take all the stuff we need out of the room before we, erm, sort of put her down and then close the door so we don't have to go back in, although you often could if you crept in without waking her up. Erm, so that would be sometime between, normally we'd be there at half seven and sort of have an hour to get down, to get, to get ready to go out, so it'd be sort of closer to eight this time. Erm, we'd get showered and get changed and then, because we can see the Tapas from our patio doors, we can see when anybody else goes down there, because the original table was booked for eight thirty, erm, we were a bit later that night and it was about quarter to and we saw Gerry and Kate down there and so we locked up, went round and joined them at the table.
Now I don't recall seeing Jane and Russell there, but I'm told that Jane was there at the time as well. But we got there and sort of chatted and then Russell arrived. And we were all there, apart from Dave and Fiona and Fiona's mother, Dianne, at sort of five to nine, and they were, they were always sort of fairly relaxed and sort of a bit late and disorganised, I mean, that's a bit unfair, but they were certainly, they'd always be pretty much the last to arrive, they were always late for most things and you could see the light on in their apartment, you could see it from the Tapas and you could see them moving around so you knew they were still there. And so I decided that I'd go back and short of chivvy them along, because I felt a bit bad that, you know, there's just us in this restaurant, as there had been most of the week, there weren't often, erm, on one night they had a quiz and there were a few sort of more tables, erm, around that were occupied, but most of the time it was just us and I felt a bit bad that we said we'd be there at half eight and, you know, it was getting later and later and it was now coming to nine and we hadn't even got the table there to get ready to order, but by this time in the week we knew what we were going to order, so I told Rach, you know, I'll have whatever it was, I think it was, erm, probably sardines because, you know, they were pretty good, erm, so I put my order in for her to order if the waiter came back and went to try and sort of chivvy them along. But as I was leaving the Tapas area, you know, and their light going off and knowing that they were coming down and on their way, and on my way up, about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down and they were on their way to the restaurant, but it seemed a bit silly not to go ahead and just sort of check on Grace, even though we'd only been down there about fifteen minutes, but that was sort of a convenient time to go and do it. So I went and listened, I went, I found the time, because we'd only just been in there about fifteen minutes ago, and I just listened outside her shutters, so I just passed along that wall that goes to the two, sort of to the McCANN's apartment, so I listened outside our shutters and went along to their shutter and had a listen out there, not because I'd been asked to, but, or it's not the sort of thing you think about, it's just kind of, erm,'.
 
00.12.06 4078 'You thought you might as well''

Reply 'So I thought I might as well and I can report back and they can be, you know, be reassured that everything was okay. And we talked a lot in the previous interviews about what state the shutters were in, whether they were, and they were all definitely down, there's three shutters, you know, there's, you know, two, and they're all at the same level, there was no, I would have noticed if they were, if one was up and the rest were down, it would have looked odd'.
 
4078 'What was the lighting like around that area at that time''

Reply 'It's getting dusk, erm, by that time, but not completely dark, erm, it was not as dark as it got later on (inaudible) visibility'.
 
00.12.40 4078 'And you said that, obviously you spoke about some previous interviews''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And you are confident the shutter was down''

Reply 'Yeah, absolutely'.
 
4078 'Is that because you can remember seeing it down or because you just think you would have noticed if it hadn't have been down''

Reply 'I'm pretty sure I saw them down'.
 
4078 'And when you listened outside the room where Madeleine was''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'How close would you have got to the shutter''

Reply 'I'd have been about a foot away, because, I mean, the shutters, you're not sure how well you're going to hear something through, so my ear wouldn't have been pressed against the two, but, erm, it would have been sort of about a foot or so'.
 
4078 'And how long would you have listened for outside that particular window''

Reply 'Erm, five or ten seconds'.
 
4078 'It is long enough, presumably, for you to have stood still, so that you weren't making a noise yourself''

Reply 'Yeah, you'd have been fairly comfortable that you'd have heard somebody if they were sort of crying or sort of whimpering'.
 
4078 'And did you notice anybody else around''

Reply 'No, there was nobody, you don't, you can't see the doorway from that point because it's round a, you have to go round the corner, so not into that, I didn't go into that area, but I didn't hear anything, I didn't see anything'.
 
4078 'If somebody had have passed by on the street would you have seen them from where you were by Madeleine's window' Sorry, having not been there, it is hard for me to visualise'.

Reply 'No, because sort of, erm, more specifically the wall that comes from the, there's sort of a drop, so it's at a different level the car park, you have to go down steps to get to, you go down steps to get from the car park to the apartment complex, so when you go down to the apartment and you go back along the wall, this wall must be, erm, I can't remember exactly, but it must be a good five foot'.
 
00.14.12 4078 'Right'.

Reply 'Maybe, and I can't be exactly sure, but it's a decent height, that wall, because you've got the, the ground is lower on that side, although from the car park side it's probably only about at that side and that side is down, it's quite sort of, and then there's sort of some more sort of shrubbery trees, I don't know, unless you were specifically looking down the road, you probably wouldn't see. I mean, I don't, I wasn't aware of any movement, there was nothing moving, I don't recall seeing anybody there'.
 
4078 'And no doubt you have replayed this in your own mind several times. You have stood and listened specifically to see if you can hear any noises from within the apartment''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Have you been aware of any other noises from outside the apartment when you listened on that occasion''

Reply 'No, I mean, there would have been, I mean, there was nothing that made me, you know, there could have been somebody around the corner, it's always possible, because I didn't look round there and you wouldn't see it, but there was nothing that, you know, that I seen, there was nobody, no. I mean, the sure answer to that is, no, there was nothing'.
 
4078 'And would it have been usually to have heard traffic noise at that time of the evening''

Reply 'No, not really, you might get the occasional car come into that car park, but mostly the car park you wouldn't have seen cars in, erm, and it's not really through road, when you look at the map it's sort of like on a 'U', so you've got the, a more main road at the top and one main T-junction to go down at the far end of the two apartment complexes, you didn't really get much through traffic, even going down the hill to the Supermarket there wasn't, there was always car sparked down there, so they must move at some point and there were lots of apartments, people must pass through, but there was never, it was pretty deserted'.
 
00.15.46 4078 'And you can't remember anything specific''

Reply 'No'.
 
4078 'Obviously you wouldn't have been listening for that or paying much attention to that at that point because it wasn't relevant then at that time''

Reply 'Yeah. Well I think that, you know, if you'd seen something unusual I'd have remembered it, I mean, going through, what we will talk about later, you kind of think, well, you know, if things didn't quite right, it's the kind of frame of mind you're in, you're looking for sort of an innocent explanation and, you know, if you have one then you'd sort of just sort of passed on, but you'd certainly remember thinking, you know, that was odd in hindsight, and I think I'd have remember that now'.
 
4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'But at the time I'd have remembered it if it'd been something that triggered at that point'.

4078 'And I know when, I think I have met you on two occasions previously, and one of those was specifically to come and ask you if there was anything that you have thought about since the holiday that was odd''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And I know you racked your brains at the time and you couldn't think of anything''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.16.41 4078 'Okay. So what sort of time was it when you did that listening check outside Madeleine's room''
 
Reply 'Well this would have been, I'd have set off about five to nine or just before nine, and so that round trip would have taken me three or four minutes maybe, because on this occasion I didn't go into our apartment, so it was just walk up, sort of ten or twenty seconds outside the two shutters and then back round'.
 
4078 'Do you remember what the weather was like then''

Reply 'Erm, it wasn't, erm, not specifically, it was a better day on the Thursday than it was on the Wednesday, because we had rain, and I think it was sort of warmer and bit more clear, I don't remember the, it may have been a bit cloudy, but I don't remember specifically'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'I think the moon was out later on so, I had the impression that the moon was out later on, so it may not have been, it may have been more clear'.
 
4078 'And you said it was just turning dark''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Do you remember or can you recall what the street lighting was like around there''

Reply 'There's a street light, and this is all, erm, I couldn't sort of guarantee this, but my impression is that there was, the street lights were sort of very orangey, erm, sort of fairly orangey light, I think there was one at the top corner and maybe one about halfway up on the right as you came up from the Tapas Restaurant and possibly one on that, on that back bit behind the car park, someway further along'.
 
4078 'I am just trying to illustrate, you said you were fairly confident that the shutter was shut'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.18.22 4078 'But it was turning dark. I am just trying to sort of illustrate whether there was any light on that area, if you would have been able to see if it was''

Reply 'Well it wasn't murky, I mean, you were close to the shutters, they're sort of white and they're lined, I think it'd be fairly obvious if there was a dark gap along the bottom, if they'd been raised particularly'.
 
4078 'Okay. So take me through from there then, what happened after that''

Reply 'So, erm, back to the table, erm, we have, oh, back to the table, Gerry got up to go and, to go and check on his kids, I mean, and I'd come back and said, you know, I didn't hear any noise when I listened outside your room, so I thought it was a little bit odd that, you know, not kind of a wounded pride that he sort of didn't trust me, but, erm, I just thought, oh, you know, I've just checked you don't really need to check and sort of, you know, sort of go back, but, erm, he sort of got up and went back to check on, erm, on his kids. But, you know, you don't, you know, we're all sort of responsible for our own children and you wouldn't sort of say, you know, you don't need to do that, I just sort of felt, oh I've listened, you don't need to do that because I've kind of just done it, but I hadn't gone into the apartment, so, erm'.
 
4078 'Did you actually say that or you just thought that to yourself''

Reply 'Yeah, I thought that, you know, I'd said that everything was sort of quiet, I listened outside the shutters, but, you know, they went back up, erm, and said he was going to check. Erm, I know that Jane went, erm, went up, and I think that's because Evie had been, I think Evie had not been well that morning and I think that's, I can't remember whether she had any breakfast, but I don't think she'd been particularly well that morning, or she was sort of a bit off colour not sort of being particularly unwell, but maybe, I think the kids hadn't settle particularly well and that's why they, erm, Russell and Jane had come separately in the evening, and so she went back, erm, to check on, presumably to check on, to check on her kids and then came back and we, erm, had starters by then'.
 
4078 'Was that the first time that you had taken it upon yourself to check on somebody else's child''

Reply 'Yeah, I'd not done it before, it was only because, you know, I was there and I was, and it may not have happened if I'd actually gone in and checked on Grace through the room, you know, I might not have just been next to their shutter in terms of to actually have a listen, you know, I was just there, it was only like four steps further. But, no, I didn't, even though we now knew each other for the week and I felt a bit more comfortable about their kids knowing me, as I said before, erm, I wouldn't normally sort of impose that sort of check on somebody else unless they'd, erm, unless they'd suggested it. It'd be almost like a step, not a step too far, but, erm, it's not really our place to, you know, to do that'.
 
00.21.10 4078 'Okay. So Gerry has gone off almost straight away after you got back''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And then Jane followed him''

Reply 'Yeah. Now I don't remember that particularly well, I mean, I know from what discussion, it may be in my statement from months ago remembering better, but it wasn't unusual for people to be leaving the table to sort of check, so it doesn't stand out particularly in my mind. But I remember Gerry specifically going because I thought, well I've just checked (inaudible) and then, you know, well I hadn't been in so I couldn't really check and, you know, they're his kids, it was quite right that, if that's what he wants. But I don't particularly remember Jane doing that, but I might have done at the time, it's just it's now sort of faded because it didn't see important'.

4078 'Okay. And go on from there then''
 
Reply 'So we'd have had starters, erm, now, and then, because there was a natural break between starters and main, that's when we'd normally go and do the sort of next check and sort of lull in conversation or whatever. And I think the time that I originally said I did it, and I can't remember what time I estimated from the statement, but I think I sort of based it on the fact that I'm a fairly fast eater and I knew what I wanted and so it would have been ordered and I'd have sort of cleared away within sort of ten or fifteen minutes, but it may well have been slightly later than my original statement, because these two had, erm, you know, as I said, they went off. So these two went off, sorry, Gerry and Jane went off, did their checks, you know, I wouldn't have gone, you know, while everybody else was still eating, and I went up the second check with Russell, so he's a pretty slow eater, so it may well have been sort of closer to sort of twenty past, twenty-five past nine, sometime round there before we did the next check'.
 
00.23.05 4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'Erm, so I went to check on Grace and I stood up and Russell stood up and said he was going to go and check as well and Kate stood up and I said, you know, do you want us to go and check on, erm, do you want me to go and check on your kids, erm, and she said yes. And I think I offered at that point just because we had been together all week and we had similar routines and it just kind of seemed like a nice thing to do that would save her a journey back up and, you know, it may or it may not have been different. But, erm, I said that and she said yeah fine and she said that the patio door was open and go in through there. And there was me and Russell as well, so, erm, you know, it seemed, at the time, a very reasonable thing to do, even though it was the first time that we'd certainly done it. Also, having somebody else there with me, it sort of felt sort of more, more sort of natural and normal. So we went out and we debated about whether we'd go in first or go in later, but Russell wanted to get back because Evie had been a little bit unsettled and so we went back first and he went in and I went in to check on Grace and actually went in through the door, unlocked the door, looked in, into her room, all fine, came back out, shut the door, erm, went over to his apartment and he said that Evie had been sick so he was staying back with her. So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open. Erm, I've spent a lot of time debating how far the door was open, from previous questioning, and, you know, it wasn't flat back against the wall, because that would have looked odd, it was just sort of halfway open, so it seemed slightly unusual that it should be so wide open, because you could see straight into the middle of the room from the angle that you approach it, because the, you've got sofas here and you've got a bookcase here and you have to come out, you've got sort of the wall of the bedroom and then it goes back where the bathroom is and then comes out again, so you've got to come out round this wall to sort of, not out round this wall, but you come in and the doorway is sort of recessed, so you can see pretty much straight into the room from the doorway back or certainly as soon as you get past that final wall. So it seemed odd to have that door open, it's certainly not something that, you know, Grace has it completely pitch black, because it seems to me that she sleeps a bit longer, erm, but some people do leave the door open and I know Russell and Jane, for Ella, and Lily subsequent, also has the door slightly open, you know, they have light and they prefer that, but we've never done that with Grace, so it seemed a little bit odd, but not without the realm of possibility. So I approached the room but I didn't actually go in because you could see the twins in the cots and one of the, you could see the twins in the cots because they're in with, sort of the cots were in the middle of the room with sort of a gap of about sort of maybe a foot between the two, the cots had sort of got that fabric end and sort of a mesh side, so you could see the sides and you could see them, erm, see them breathing and there were two there and it was all completely quiet. And the other things you could see in the room, there was a, there was another bed at the back underneath the window at the far side and you could see the end of the bed, another bed here. And because I was looking for, you know, well people say, well why didn't you go in the room, why didn't you check on Madeleine, you were, you said you'd go and check, but it was just that, we were just satisfying ourselves that nobody was upset and awake and crying, we didn't expect that if I checked each three beds somebody, it just wasn't sort of something that you thought about, you just thought, you know, is somebody, you know, upset, do they want their mum or something, you can say, you know, somebody might have vomited and you wouldn't know about it, but there was, you know, nobody was awake, you thought, if something, just one, it'd be, it'd sort of feel a bit odd, you know, from the draughts, you know, when Kate went in something about the door shutting, there was, I presume, a through draught. So I just sort of went towards the doorway, I didn't step over the threshold, I didn't see Madeleine and I didn't check, I turned round and came back out, said all was quiet when I got back to the table and then we went on with food. Now the room was, we talked also in the interviews about how light the room was and whether I could see the shutters, and I can't see the shutters because thee curtains were shut and, they're similar curtains to the ones you've got in there, and you just get an impression of just like green and yellow, but they were closed, they weren't sort of blowing about, because I'm sure I'd have noticed if there was sort of movement like that. But the room seemed light, and we spent a lot of time talking about this, whether it could be light coming in from the street outside, but there was a light behind us in the room and for some reason I thought, I got the impression of light coming through the doorway from behind me, which his why I said that I thought perhaps the moon was out, erm, but there as no sort of, you know, it's a questions of whether, there was no sort of slats of light coming through the back that particularly caught my eye. So I didn't specifically see the shutters and I couldn't say that they were definitely open, but certainly the curtains were shut and everything was quiet'.
 
00.29.11 4078 'So you weren't, just to clarify what you have said, you weren't conscious of any draught''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'The curtains were drawn and weren't blowing around''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'You weren't conscious of light coming through that window but the room was light enough for you to see into it''
 
Reply 'Yeah. I mean, the difficult thing about that is, when we talked about it afterwards, I agonised for whether it seemed as though there was light coming through the room. And I have to say my answer then was probably more accurate, in that, the room was lighter than I expected but I definitely didn't see the shutters up, the curtains were definitely not disturbed and the shutters would have had to have been completely up, I presume, not to get that sort of, because they were shutters that went solid but when you lifted them they had gaps of light, and I wasn't aware of that and it may well be that the light was just the source from behind'.
 
00.29.03 4078 'Obviously you have had cause to sort of reflect on that, that moment''

Reply 'Yeah'
.
4078 'A lot''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'At the time when you were there, before you had reason to reflect on it, at the time you just said to me that the room was lighter than you expected, did that go through your mind at the time''

Reply 'Yeah, erm, it just seemed, it just seemed odd, because, you know, it's really difficult, I can't explain why it was odd and I didn't do anything about it, and it's something I've thought about over and over again, you know, surely that just seemed odd and so it was worth you looking round and going a bit further, and I can't explain why I didn't do it'.
 
4078 'Why did it seem odd''

Reply 'Because I sort of see them dealing, they seemed to have dealt with Sean and Amelie and Madeleine pretty much the way we deal with Grace, so they were sort of very consistent with bedtime and rooms, I would imagine, would be kept sort of fairly dark, they seemed to have come from the same sort of parenting school that we did, and so, erm, it seemed a little bit more unusual that it should be, the door should be open so much and the light, because they were always, the kids were always sort of really confident and they were the least misbehaved, well not misbehaved, they were the least upset when they dropped them off at Nursery, at cr'he, you know, it was all really good and it was all sort of, they were sort of very good at, erm, you know, if they did something wrong, they said no and sort of explaining it properly and why, you know, why it was naughty to do that sort of thing, it was all sort of very appropriate and almost by the book, and it seemed a bit sort of casual to sort of like leave the door open, but then they had sort of an older daughter, so you know, and older children might get, you know, nightmares, so it seemed as though there might be a reasonable explanation, but although I thought it was odd at the time, I didn't say, you know, do you normally leave your door or anything like that'.
 
00.30.42 4078 'You just put it down to the fact that, well you were a bit surprised that is how they had left it, but that must be how they are used to doing it''

Reply 'Yeah, and I just don't know why it didn't trigger enough of a thought in my mind to say, you know, but I think it's just because you are going expecting that the worst that was going to happen was that somebody would be upset or out of bed or, you know, or sort of crying'.
 
4078 'And, like you have said, you know, we all do things differently, don't we, in something like that''

Reply 'You know (inaudible) stuff and you think, you know, oh it's silly that they didn't notice that or, you know, it was obvious that, but I think it's your sort of frame of mind that you're set in'.
 
4078 'Yeah, and with hindsight it is easy to question things that you had no cause to question''

Reply 'Yeah, because normally we'd think we're fairly observant because, I mean, we do medicine, so we sort of pick up a lot clues from people that we talk to and, you know, and how they might feeling or what they might not be saying and so you'd expect to trust that sort of, that sort of instinct, but that, for whatever reason, just didn't'.
 
4078 'And how do you feel about that''

Reply 'Erm, I mean, I think it's harder for Jane in a lot of ways than it is for me, but I think we're in slightly similar positions, in that, she thinks, well, you know'.
 
4078 'What if''

Reply 'What if I'd done that and the only sort of comfort I get is that, you know, what if I'd seen him or well maybe if we just sort of found out half an hour earlier, but maybe that would have been enough lead time for things to happen faster and for somebody to call to be here, but I think it's easier for me to try and rationalise it and not think about it quite so forcibly as it is for Jane'.

OLDFIELD 09.04.08
 
00.32.25 4078 'How long were you actually in the apartment for then''
Reply 'One or two minutes maybe. I remember looking, they've got, all the rooms had sort of a book supply and so, because we were spending all this down time at lunchtime looking, you know, doing a bit of reading or maybe sunbathing, but some reading, so I sort of remember sort of looking along their bookshelf as I walked through to see if there was anything that I could sort of take to read for the next couple of days, erm, so it might have been, you know, a minute or two'.
 
4078 'And you said when you went in you went in through the patio door''

Reply 'Yeah'
 
4078 'Or the poolside door''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'How did you know to go through there''

Reply 'Well Kate said that that one was open'.
 
4078 'And when did she say that''

Reply 'When I offered to go and, erm, go and look'.

4078 'Okay'.
 
Reply 'Because I said do you want me to check the kids and she said yeah the patio door is open'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'I mean, it was closed, it wasn't sort of open'.
 
4078 'And I am assuming it is a slide open door, is that correct''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
00.33.23 4078 'So you slid the door open''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And you have walked through the apartment and you said there was a light on''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'A lamp, sorry, a table lamp''

Reply 'Yeah, I think sort of, there was like a little sort of round sort of table like this and then, erm, sort of a small lamp'.
 

4078 'So, as you go though there, whereabouts would the lamp be''

Reply 'So you come in, the steps would bring you up to this end of the patio, oh sorry, that's the side street so it comes up to this bit and you go in through (inaudible), erm, I'm not sure which one of those, I think it was this left one here and there's sort of like, erm, a sort of a book shelf here'.
 
4078 'Is that the one that you looked at to see what books''

Reply 'Yeah, and there was, I think there was a sofa here and a sofa here, it's either one of those two corners, it was a vague memory of it, that there was like a sort of little side light, a sort of reading light that was on'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'Erm, then as you approach this, because of this wall here, you approach the room pretty much, you had to go in from that angle, so you get a clear view right into the middle of the room. And one of the things that completely floored me in the, in the interview, the second interview there, they showed me a picture and they showed a picture of the two cots, you know, there's wardrobes along this side, slap bang on the right here, and they said, well how can you see it, I think maybe it was an aguish thing at the time, but I couldn't quite get at what they were, what they were really asking me, I mean, how, because they showed me this picture and you kind of accept it as this is the real situation and it took a while to, well, no, actually, the actual, the original Police Force actually moved them when they cleared the room, they moved them out the way, but, you know, I presume it was just a sort of, a sort of technique within the questioning to sort of make you unsettled, but it was sort of quite unsettling, along with this picture of where the shutters are. But, erm, you know, you wouldn't, the cots were in the middle of the room and of course, you know, there's no way you'd put them at the side, you know, to put your children in and be able to walk round and get them from both sides. But you walk from here and I probably got to about here, erm, you know, to the room'.
 
00.35.30 4078 'So you didn't cross the threshold''

Reply 'No'.
 
4078 'And you say the cots were in the middle of the room''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'What angles were they at''

Reply 'Erm, you could definitely see, see the sides, so they're either along, I think because of the angle that you approach it, I think they were just, you know, in the line with the long axis of the room, but there was a gap between the two and the sides are mesh, erm'.
 
4078 (inaudible)

Reply 'Yeah (inaudible)'.
 
4078 'So you saw the sides. Do you remember which way the children were facing in the cots''

Reply 'No, it was just, you could just see the shape and bits of breathing'.

4078 'Okay'.
 
Reply 'I mean, I, for some reason I imagine that the children's heads were towards the, towards the window, but I don't know whether that's just because I assume that's the way I would put them down'.
 
00.36.22 4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'Because I've seen it. I don't think I could see that much, the view'.
 
4078 'You can't remember''

Reply 'You could see the shapes and you could see they were breathing, you'd stop and look and you could see they were sort of breathing, but in terms of sort of features and standing over and seeing where their heads were, and I couldn't say whether it was Sean or Amelie that was closest, it was just sort of, erm, sort of children in cots'.
 
4078 'The door, it opens the way it is shown on this diagram, does it''

Reply 'Yes, it opens to, back onto that wall'.
 
4078 'But you didn't touch the door''

Reply 'No'
.
4078 'You didn't need to because it was already open''

Reply 'It was already open. I mean, it must have been, it must have been sort of at that sort of angle, so it's just over forty-five degrees'.
 
4078 'Yeah, so it is slightly over half open''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Okay. What else could you see within the room''

Reply 'Erm, there was a bed on the far side underneath the window, erm, and you could see, you could just see the tail of this bed here, just the edge of it'.
 
4078 'Sorry, I am not familiar with the room'.

Reply 'Sorry, the bed is perhaps, this bed, there is a bed along, you can see most of it, apart from what was obstructed by the, by the cot'.
 
4078 'Yes'.

Reply 'There was a bed there. There was build-in wardrobes, I think probably where that dotted line is there'.
 
00.37.41 4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'Erm, and there's another bed along here, which is where Madeleine was supposed to be, erm, and you could just maybe catch the, it was probably set back a little bit, so you could just sort of catch about sort of six or eight inches of the, so you could see the outside corner, the corner deepest into the room'.
 
4078 'Okay. So concentrate, if you can, on what you saw of that bed and tell me what you saw''

Reply 'Nothing, apart from that, it's just the end of the bed and that's, and that was it. And so it as just like the outside corner, there was no, couldn't see the whole length, couldn't see colours or legs or anything draping over it'.
 
4078 'Did it have bed clothing on it, can you remember, or was it just a plain mattress or some sort of mattress cover or (inaudible), can you remember''

Reply 'Erm, my, erm, this would be sort of a guess, I think what I could see was a sheet and I think it was a metal base coming round the corner, but I couldn't swear to that. There was only a small bit that was visible'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'I don't think it was a bare, a bare mattress, I'm fairly sure there'd have been a sheet on it, but I don't remember anything sort of as bulky as a duvet over it'.

4078 'Okay. And is there anything else you can say about what you saw of that bed''

Reply 'No, erm, I don't remember there being a pattern on it, it was, it was just sort of a glimpse and I don't know how reliable my memory is for this, I think it was plain coloured, maybe, if I was to go for it, I'd say it was sort of a light blue, but I really don't recall anything specific about the end of that bed, apart from just registering that there was a bed against that wall and that's probably where Madeleine was'.
 
4078 'Okay. And you saw the side of the cots and you saw the shapes and knew that they were both breathing''

Reply 'Yeah, I mean, you've got two cots, you know, along this side, you've got the short, the long axis along the long room and the short end, which I think is (inaudible), I think we had a similar in, erm, with Grace, and there'd be a slight spacing and then netting and so, from the side, you'd see, erm, part of this one, slightly obstructed by this one, but enough to see through the grill, erm, and this one you'd see through the, through the mesh side, you'd see the kids'.
 
00.40.06 4078 'And the lighting was sufficient within the room that you could make out what it was''

Reply 'You could make out that it wasn't blankets and just something piled there, you could see the chest moving'.
 
4078 'Okay. Could you see anything else from where you were stood''

Reply 'The rest is just sort vague impressions of, erm, of the colour of the curtains, I couldn't tell what particular pattern, but I just remember green and yellow with that. And there may have been a duvet on the back bed behind the two cots. But nothing else specific'.

4078 'Have you been into that room again since that moment''
 
Reply 'We didn't on the night. Erm, I don't think so. I think it was it was then always cordoned off. I mean, I know that they, Gerry and Kate were told to get their things out of there because they were going to have to move rooms and then, and I saw that photograph of the, of the cots moved to the side, and they then sort of, erm, under instruction, were asked to move things out of that room, but I think they just took sort of essentials, because they then went up to, erm, Dave and Fiona's room later that night, and I don't think I've been back in that room'.
 
4078 'I am sorry, you already said how long you think you were in the apartment for, I have forgotten''

Reply 'It can't have been more than a couple of minutes, because, erm, I mean, there was no, you know, it was just sort of a check and then it was back really. I remember sort of being able to pivot here and be able to see this room door was open as well and those shutters weren't down, they were just curtains and that was fairly, fairly light as well. And I just sort of came back out really through the same way and shutting the patio doors'.
 
00.41.58 4078 'So, like everybody that has had anything to do with this inquiry, you must have played back in your own mind the different possibilities of what could have happened''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'And what conclusions have you come to, in so much as, if there had been somebody else in the apartment, would it have been possible for them to have been there without you seeing them''

Reply 'Erm, it's possible, in that, just in sort of, whether it's technically possible, because this kitchen, there's like a sort of breakfast bar there or an opening there, I mean, you, and, you know, when you come up to here, somebody could be hid behind those units there, there would be no problem. They could have been, I can't remember where the bed is in this room, because it was just a glimpse as I turned round, it may be out there, but possibly there is space in there. And then there was this question of whether somebody could hide in the wardrobes, and I suppose they were physically big enough for them to be able to do it. I mean, you know, since, everybody talked about sort of what happened, you know, and, yeah, I talked in an interview about whether I thought Madeleine was gone at that point, and I said, well I thought she was, but then I knew that Jane had seen this, had earlier seen this person and she described pyjamas and everything, before she knew what Madeleine actually was wearing, so when that sort of came out then it seemed fairly likely that things had already been done, which I think is partly why it's sort of been easier for me to deal with the 'what ifs' than it is for her, because it seemed like Madeleine had already gone at that point, but at the beginning, when I didn't know, that was awful, when Kate came back and said, she's gone, and they were going, did you see her, and I had to say, well, no, I just made sure everything was alright and that was, that was awful, that moment'.
 
4078 'Can you make any comment on the door or, erm, is this a window as well, it is not, is it''

Reply 'Erm, there's a window, I think, well from the drawing I don't recall it as a window there, that's the front door here, then you come round past the shutters, and we listened outside here, and the front door there. I, it's, I can't say, I don't recall it being open, I'm sure, I presume that I would have seen it, but I can't guarantee that it wasn't, erm, it wasn't shut at that point. Erm, but, you know, there was nothing, it didn't feel odd when you went into the, erm, into the apartment, it was sort of quiet and, you know, sort of comfortably sort of dark'.
 
00.44.26 4078 'Is there anything else, sort of trying to draw that moment out for as long as we possibly can and just go'.

Reply 'Yeah, yeah'.
 
4078 'Is there anything else, that you smelt, could you smell anything''

Reply 'No, no, we've talked about that before, I didn't smell anything, I mean, I could see the children breathing, but I didn't clock it as abnormal, erm, it'd be completely to speculate to say whether their breathing was fast or, I couldn't say, I mean, they were breathing and that's what, you know, and that was what I was there to check, erm, no, no funny sort of smells, no sort of funny draughts, no sort of funny sort of noises, no, erm, nothing that I can think of for that. I mean, it was a complete just a shock out of the blue when, you know, I'd been in and then suddenly somebody's saying Madeleine's missing, there was nothing that made me think, oh'.
 
4078 'Okay. Did you leave by the patio door''

Reply 'Yeah, back the same way, because this door would have been locked and that's the shortest way anyway of coming through there, so I would have gone back out the same door'.
 
4078 'And back to the table''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Okay. We will move back then from that check. I am sure you would have already mentioned, but did you see anybody''

Reply 'No'.
 
00.45.51 4078 'Hear any cars''

Reply 'No. No, I mean, as I say, it was nearly always completely deserted, there was very few people in the resort, erm, you know, you only rarely saw, you know, occasionally people move about on the street and that was mostly during the day, erm, everybody else seemed to sort of eat earlier or, erm, used the baby sitting or whatever service, there were a few people about between and there wasn't really much of a thoroughfare for, erm, for traffic, so nothing that stuck out'.
 
4078 'In know specifically one of the Portuguese questions was, did you hear footsteps or car doors opening and shutting''

Reply 'No (inaudible)'.
 
4078 'Okay. And you attended the Tapas Bar. And what was happening there at that stage when you got back''

Reply 'Erm, well everybody, apart from Russell and I were back, so I arrived back before Russell, erm, I think I said, all quiet, or something to, erm, to, you know, Kate and Gerry and just sort of sat back down and we carried on and I told Jane that Evie had been sick and so later on when his food came, we said, he's going to be late, can we sort of send it back or you just keep it warm and he'll have it later on, erm, we had a conversation as normal, I just remember launching into this Jane relieving Russell'.
 
4078 'We touched on that yesterday'.

Reply 'It probably came up but seemed inappropriate to mention. But, erm, she went off to relieve Russell, as it were, to sort of take over, erm, sort of duties and make sure that Evie was alright and then Russell came back and they actually redid his food, erm, I mean, he was eating it when the next sort of checks went, which were about half an hour later'
.
4078 'So you think it was about half an hour between your check''

Reply 'It would have been around that sort of time and the reason I think thirty minutes is because I, I don't know whether this is memory now or whether it's since we've been talking about it, Gerry said or Kate said, it's about thirty minutes since the last check, we ought to go, so that's why I think it's thirty minutes, erm, because I think that main course would have taken a bit longer because, you know, Russell came back and we started chatting, you know, how's Evie and all that sort of thing, erm, so, I think he was still eating at the time, so we waited until he'd finished before we went'.
 
00.48.23 4078 'And then who did the next check''

Reply 'Well Kate went and did the next check and think because we'd, I didn't, we didn't all go at that point, just Kate went and, erm, and then came running back saying, she's gone, Gerry Madeleine's gone, and she was sort of borderline hysterical, as you'd expect, and then there was just a blur as everybody then just ran off from the table. Erm, then everybody I think left the table, I mean, I just remember being behind Dave as he was, and Gerry, as they were running, erm, Russell I think (inaudible) a bit behind and so we all ran. If you ask whether we went, you know, into the apartment and I'm almost a hundred percent sure we didn't go to the apartment, we were, because it was just so awful, so Gerry and Kate and maybe Dave, I'm not sure, but went sort of to the bottom of the steps and they sort of went in, erm, and as soon as they sort of said, you know, she's gone and everything, all hell broke loose, we went round to check firstly on Grace to make sure she was okay and we dropped Rachael up there, telling her that she wasn't to move, Jane came out of the apartment, did she come out of the apartment at that point or was it later in the evening, I can't remember, but I remember seeing them, you know, most of the time and then for the rest of the evening they were stood, you know, at the doorways to the apartments, erm, we went back round, erm, and everybody was just running around like sort of headless chickens, so I remember saying, you know, we need a plan, I mean, I don't know why I said that but I think I'd just read too many novels, because everybody just seemed to just sort of run, there was sort of no organisation, you know, and it was obviously important that we, you know, we did something constructive rather than just running around looking in the hedgerows if, you know, what we, because we all went through this, you know, is she really gone, surely she must have just sort of wandered off and we're just going to find her and she's going to be there, but, you know, she's like a four year old child and, you know, she, I mean, all the doors were shut, she wasn't really going to run off and then Jane said, the shutters up, and, you know, we sort of scarpered and Dave and Russell were just running off sort of shouting, so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it's difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten'.
 
00.51.10 4078 'Quite quick then''

Reply 'Yeah, sort of pretty much, you know, straight away, erm, I think it was only, but then it was a kind of, it was surreal when you got there, I said, you've got to phone the Police, you know, a child's been taken, and they went, oh no, she's probably just sort of woken up and he thought she's probably sort of wandered off or something like that and you thought, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe you're right, erm, can you please, it was sort of, it was kind of, it was sort a weird kind of lack of urgency, you know, he'd ring, but you had to sort and stand there and say, ring now, ring now, so I don't know if they rang at that point, but certainly, erm, you know, I certainly asked them to, about perhaps sort of maybe about ten past ten maybe. Erm, then we went back up to, or I went, because I was on my own, I went back up to the, erm, to the apartment and it was just obvious that she wasn't in the apartment, but we were still sort of just milling about on the street, everybody was just running around just sort of trying to, you know, sort of search nearby roads. And so we, erm, I volunteered to go up to the, erm, I went up to the Millennium Restaurant because it was just one of the routes that I thought she might have taken, although I couldn't say why I thought she would because we'd only been there once on that night before and maybe she'd been for the restaurant, so we'd only been at the initial welcoming, that was the only time that we went for that meal in the evening because the food wasn't great there, it wasn't quite up to the MARK WARNER resorts of, but anyway, so we did other things and that's why we liked the Tapas, so there was no reason really why she'd have gone up there, but it was a, just a different route. So a lot of it in terms of timing is blurred, but up and onto the top road to the Millennium Restaurant, which is pretty much you come up and along this road for about sort of five or ten minutes and sort of this end of town, let them know that a little girl was missing and then gone back through the back streets, down on the beach and then back to the apartment. Erm, at some point we were back and forth to the, to the reception as well. And I think what the reception probably did was ring the MARK WARNER people and say, there's somebody that's saying there's a child missing, because by that time there were lost of MARK WARNER people around, erm, and they were very good, they, you know, they obviously, you know, got there and that might have been the impetus that got them to ring the Police, if, because I understand that there is some discrepancy about when we thought we'd called the Police and when the Police were actually called and that might be that they went on the, on that route first and then went, I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well, erm, and, erm, you know, was obviously, you know, sort of intermittently sort of calm and then completely, you know, hysterically upset, it was sort of, you know, it was sort of pretty sort of upsetting, because you didn't know what to really say, because you can't really say, you know, it's going to be okay, because, you know, you assume the worst and it's going to be particularly awful, you know, it's going, you know, some, erm, person's got, (inaudible), some xxxxxxx's got my, you know, got my daughter and she's so innocent. And, I mean, at that point, we were sort of in a room next door, you know, the bedroom across, and we thought maybe it could have been Grace quite easily. Erm, but, you know, there's, you know, seeing them normal all the time and then to go to that was just, you couldn't act it, it just wasn't, it was just, you don't know how you're going to react in that sort of situation, but, erm, you know, it was just, we've already mentioned the sort of frightening and you wanted to be away from it, but you wanted to try to do something to make it better, but you couldn't'.
 
00.55.19 4078 'You feel helpless''

Reply 'You are and yet people on the outside of it, erm, responded in a much more practical way, of course, they would do, but with decent suggestions about doing this, doing that, you know. But, erm, we were there about sort of eleven, ten past eleven when the GNR sort of Police arrived and there was two of them in a Police car. Somebody's asked whether the siren was on and I think the lights were flashing but I don't remember, and I may have heard the siren in the distance, but I can't recall. So they arrived just about five minutes after Gerry and I had been there. And one of the cleaning ladies I think came to translate, I think this is Sylvia or Sylvie, I'm not sure, but she was there helping, you know, saying, this is, you know, this is the father. And they put him in the car and drove back up to the apartment. And then, erm, after that we did more headless running around, checked on Grace, erm, you know, at times we were sort of like crossing each other, there was Dave, and running on my own, and sort of the other way, and I then went out on the coast road a bit further down, erm, I don't know what we thought we could do, but it was just better than being close to them and being there, erm, and so we ran out on that, I think this road unfortunately is called, erm, which road is it, Cemetery Road I think it's called, I seem to remember noticing it because it seemed like a horrible, I think it's this bit here'.
 
4078 'It covers quite a lot of area'.

Reply 'You're basically out on, I think this is Cemetery Road or one of these roads and it just takes you out down the coast and there's lots of new build sort of resorts going up'.
 
4078 'And all the areas that made a search, with hindsight or at the time, there was nothing that you can think of that might be relevant to''
 
Reply 'No, because as you went on you'd meet other groups, there was Nathan, one of the waterfront people, who managed the waterfront, who we'd met previous on a MARK WARNER holiday, so, you know, you'd sort of cross paths with people who were sort of searching and then, you know, it'd get deserted and there were dogs barking at you as you sort of wandered around, because some of the apartments were occupied and some were still being built, so there was a kind of a bit of, a sort of a lonely sort of isolated place, but, you know, it was all very sort of close, and there was nothing, you know, looking for sort of like funny parked cars or, erm, you know, anything really that seemed a bit odd'.
 
00.57.42 4078 'Did you see Kate during that initial''

Reply 'No, no, I mean, partly, you know, because I just didn't know what to say to them and partly because by that time they were in with the Police. And then we went to bed about sort of two, three, something like that'.
 
4078 'You obviously found it very, very difficult seeing Gerry in that state''

Reply ' Yeah, most, yeah, I mean, it was pretty upsetting sort of seeing him like he was and also, you know, because, you know, we thought, obviously we were all having the same sort of thoughts, that, you know, you know, paedophiles, Madeleine's gone, a little girl. Erm, Rachael stayed at the apartment and, erm, and I think Jane did as well, erm, around. I think we, at one stage, on one of the return visits, I did go into the apartment, just as far perhaps as the, erm, as the kitchen, and I could see them sat on the sofa, but they were in with the Police and there was nothing we could do or say, so we came back out, and that's the only time I went back into the apartment'.
 
4078 'When did you first become aware of what Jane had seen, can you remember''

Reply 'No, erm, I think it might, I don't know whether she came on the same night, because I think it sort of, the realisation hit her that she might have seen something, so I think it probably, it may well have been the same night. I don't know whether it was that night or the next day, but I feel fairly sure it would have triggered her memory, but I can't say for definite'.
 
00.59.22 4078 'How are you doing''

Reply 'Umm, I'm okay, thank you'.
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 10:29:PM
(CONTINUATION OF INTERVIEW) - part4:-

4078 'I think it has brought it has brought it home to all of us just, you know, what a mental trauma it has been, for you as a group of friends as well'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Which, you know, perhaps people don't appreciate because they just read what they read in the Press and forget that there's a group of people who have been so affected'.

Reply 'Yeah, umm, I think it's just because it could be, so easily have been'.
 
4078 'Yeah'.

Reply 'I mean, initially we went through this, it could have been because of the location of the apartments, it could have been Grace, you know, we could have been the ones having to generate this, you know, and deal with it as best we could and make it useful and do something useful about it rather than just sort of collapsing. I mean, I don't know how they've done it. Erm, but then, you know, it's, and you thought, oh well, you know, maybe because Madeleine's sort of quite, you know, (inaudible) and, you know, petite and, you know, maybe it wasn't quite so likely. And then it, you know, sort of that goes away and then you're left with not knowing what happened. Erm, and then as well, although we weren't particularly close to them before, erm, we didn't see them particularly socially until after this, it's still, you know, none of us move on'.
 
4078 'How often have you been in contact with them since''

Reply 'Erm, I mean, you settle back down as time goes on and it does sort of ease itself a little bit, you are able to then sort of, to function and sort of carry on, sort of people a bit further away, and because we're sort of further from them in terms of the usual contact, it's not been, erm, quite so difficult for us to escape it to a certain extent. Erm, but we'd speak to them, I mean, initially it was every few days and then sort of every week and now it's about every sort of two to there weeks'.
 
4078 'Yeah. There are things I can think of that I need to go back over and clarify with you'.

Reply 'That's fine. That's fine'.
 
01.01.20 4078 'Do you want to carry on with that now''

Reply 'Yeah, yeah'.
 
4078 'Or do you want to stop and have a break, have lunch''

Reply 'No, no'.
 
4078 'You want to carry on''

Reply 'I don't think it'll go away if we do it later anyway. But, I mean, if you're okay''
 
4078 'Yeah, fine, fine. Just, I will ask the things that I can think of then, because otherwise I may forget later, you know, it probably won't take very long anyway, because we will need to do further interviews later. At the beginning of your recall of Thursday''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Well not at the beginning, at the beginning of the evening, you mentioned that you went back, after you had been to the beach, you went back to the room and got your tennis equipment''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Had you taken tennis equipment with you''

Reply 'On holiday''
 
4078 'Umm'.

Reply 'Yeah, yeah, so we had took trainers and sort of, you know, the kit and the tennis racquets'.
 
4078 'Okay. Do you know whether the rest of the group had taken equipment or was it available to hire there''

Reply 'It's available from the hire, I mean, definitely, I'm not sure if Gerry and Kate, I think everybody else didn't take tennis kit and hired it, and I know for a while we had two tennis racquets sitting in one of the buggies that were owned by the, erm, by the MARK WARNER complex. Erm, they have been returned since, but they were definitely, at least two. I don't think Dave and Fiona and I don't think Russell and Jane and I'm not sure about Gerry and Kate, whether they took the stuff with them'.
 
01.02.39 4078 'Okay. And the only other thing I can think of at this point in time. You mentioned that after it was discovered that Madeleine had gone, everyone was running around and you were conscious that there was no organisation. Did you take it upon yourself to start organising''

Reply 'No, and this is again, this is the sort of, another thing that, you kind of know the theory, well it's just from sort of reading sort of novels and just sort of being sensible, there was obviously, you know, (inaudible) there is obviously a time that you need to get everything done sort of pretty fast, because, you know, if you just think about it logically now, I know that's what we were thinking at the time, but you just see so many people running around, looking in hedgerows, that's fine if she's just wandered off, you're going to find her even if it takes half an hour, but if she's been driven by somebody at speed, you need to get onto that, get orders, whatever, and whatever response you think you need or we thought locally we'd need, I mean, you just sort of start that straight away. But there was that initial inertia of, are we sure she's really gone, are you sure she's not there and she's sort of hiding in the bathroom or something, erm, before it sort of kicked in. But, you know, I was going, we need to have a plan, but everybody had already run, there was nobody to sort of impose it upon. And, you know, I don't know that, I think if I'd done anything differently I would have stood by the desk and said, no, you must ring now, you really must, rather than just sort of saying, oh, you know, and sort of at the back of my mind thinking, well maybe they're right, maybe I'll go back and she's just turned up and that'll be absolutely fantastic, maybe I'm wasting his time, but I didn't stand over the desk and say, do it. Erm, but, aside from that, there was no real, you know, sort of structured plan of what we should do'.
 
01.04.26 4078 'And, as time went on, did you, as a group, become more structured in what you were doing because of the way circumstances unfolded''

Reply 'Erm, we became more structured, in that, we didn't do anything, in terms of, you know, life then just became, you know, one wander to child care and back and interviews and alike from there. I think the media side of things, which we, erm, I think a lot of people informed the media straight, erm, sort of fairly quickly, because we know James LANDALE who does BBC News twenty-four, erm, sort of personally, and his wife, and we did ring them. I mean, you know, I think we were asked not, you know, people suggesting that it wouldn't be a good idea to the Press, but, and they may be right, but, as a group, we thought that you need some exposure on this because if you need to get it out there. And that was sort of as much a criticism, erm, it wasn't sort of a criticism of the Portuguese Police, it was just that it felt like the right thing to do and it just seemed like a good idea at the time, you know, to sort of try and get some exposure. And I think we rang up James or his wife, Kath LANDALE, and asked, you know, how we, how you could do that and they gave us a number. And then I think, we hadn't, erm, I think then there was phone contact between Rachael and the desk, saying, you know, do you want to go forward with this, because we, we mentioned it but didn't sort of authorise anybody to sort of to go, because we hadn't spoken to the Police yet, we didn't know what they wanted to do, erm, and how they'd feel about it, so we held it back, but I think there were people within the group and it sort of got out pretty quickly'.
 
4078 'There has been'.

Reply 'In terms of organisation, no, I think it was, we were pretty useless as a group, you know. I mean, the extended family for Gerry and Kate, erm, were useful, I think we were just shocked'.
 
4078 'Well it wasn't just Gerry and Kate that needed the support really when you look back'.

Reply 'No. Yeah, we got plenty of that'.
 
01.06.30 4078 'And I assume you all are still now'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'It was obviously very, very hard for you all. There has been a kind of a timeline that was drawn up between the group''

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'I can't confidently say who did it or when it was drawn up, but what can you tell me about that''

Reply 'I think, the timeline has been sort of, you know, we all thought it was a good idea, you know, (inaudible) Gerry and Kate were there, you know, with the Police trying to sort things out and we were sort of, the rest of the group sort of were trying to make sense of it and do what we thought we could to help, so the timeline, we sort of said, if we write down everything then while our memory's fresh we'll remember what we did, you know, it should help, you know, it may help. Erm, and we then, we actually took it into the first interview and said, look, we've done this and they said, no, you can't read from that. And, of course, you can understand now why it didn't seem like a good idea, but at the time it just seemed like a sensible thing to do to try and get all our recall of everything that we'd done down as fast as possible. And I think there were various attempts, erm, and I think we sort of might, erm, I don't know whether there was anything done on the night, but the next sort of day or two, certainly in the first two days, erm, we got together to go through it. But it was mostly us not Gerry and Kate, I think they, they might have contributed to it later'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'And we got a computer I think to write it down so we could hand it over'.
 
4078 'Okay. I think we are going to stop here. I need to collect my thoughts and go back and speak to the people monitoring to find out if, up until this point, we have missed out anything between us'.

Reply 'Sure'.
 
01.08.05 4078 'Once we have done that and we have gone back over things that we might have missed'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'Then we will move on to just sort of mop up really the rest of the Portuguese questions'.

Reply 'Right'.
 
4078 'And the telephone, there isn't much telephone (inaudible), as I said earlier, and then Gerry and Kate's questions. But during those processes again we will be stopping to check to see if there is any more things that come up'.

Reply 'Fine, yeah'.
 
4078 'Okay'.

Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'I know that lunch arrived probably about half an hour ago and you have had a difficult hour, so we will have a break now'.

Reply 'Yeah, okay'.
 
4078 'So it is now three minutes past one and we will end this interview'.

SIGNATURE (Sgd)
SM M OLDFIELD 09.04.08
 
00:00:02 4078 "Okay its eighteen minutes past three on the afternoon of Wednesday the ninth of April two thousand and eight. We're in an interview room at Force Headquarters and I'm DC FERGUSON from the Leicestershire Major Crime Unit.'

Reply "And I'm Matthew David OLDFIELD.'
 
4078 "Thank you Matthew. We've just done a quick interview and covered some of these questions I'm about, well all of the questions I'm about to put to you again, unfortunately because of a technical problem we're having to go through it so I apologise again for that and I'll just rattle off the questions if I may.'

Reply "Yeah that's fine.'
 
4078 "The first one was, when did you last see Madeleine''

Reply "Err I'm not quite sure when I last saw her because it depending on whether we had lunch together as a group in David and Fiona's, which err we may have done on the last day because it got more common as we went through the week but it was more common for the six in terms of the, David, Fiona, already in the apartment of course with Dianne and err Russ and Jane and Grace and Rachael and I to go up there and have lunch as a group than it was to have err the full complete group there at lunch time. Err but it would seem now, it probably wasn't until the day previously because we'd seen them in the evening after their usual tea so I think on that day, on the final, on the Thursday when we came back up from tennis I'm not sure that Kate and the children err were there outside the tennis court when we arrived because we arrived late and it would have been about bedtime so I can't specifically recall whether I saw Madeleine at that point, but we sort of arrived, err it wasn't sort of big groups who were doing the usual sort of chasing games, they may have gone earlier because everybody else of course was still down with our wives, down in the err down at the restaurant on the beach so it would have been quite sort of the same sort of playgroup and they may have, I think they went back and they were gone by the time I got to the tennis courts.'
 
00:01:49 4078 "Okay. We also covered on the last interview, did you ever leave your apartment by the poolside door''

Reply "And we did if it was err during the day and there was one of us in the apartment then we'd have gone in and out through the patio door because it was the most direct way to get to the err pool and the Tapas restaurant err but otherwise certainly in the evening we'd have locked that patio door because you couldn't lock it from the, err you could only lock it from the inside, its like a snick connector, I don't know why I keep saying snick but I don't know whether its a northern term, but there was a little hasp on the handle that you lock over to lock the patio doors and you can only do that from the inside, it wasn't lockable from the out so we'd shut that and gone back out the other door and locked that. So during the day we might have done to get in and out to get equipment but err at night, no.'
 

00:02:38 4078 "So at night times you'd always have that door locked when you'd exit''

Reply "The patio door would be locked and you'd go out through the''
 
4078 "Gone through the other''

Reply "Main door and lock that one.'
 
4078 "Which then you locked behind you.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "After you went.'

Reply "You had to lock it because it would open on the, it wouldn't shut through like a Yale lock it would close just on a, on a handle that opened it.'
 
4078 "So to generalise then, whenever you were all out of your apartment it was locked''

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "And whenever you were sort of coming or, and going unless somebody remained within the apartment''

Reply "It would...'
 
4078 "The patio door could have been open''

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "Or at least not locked.'

Reply "Yeah, because usually if err, if it was reasonable weather err Rachael or, would have been sat in the sunshine, essentially reading it book it'd be, so that probably would, probably have been open but somebody would have been sat on top of it so err while Grace slept at lunch time.'
 
4078 "Okay. And then just to mop up the questions that were outstanding from the Portuguese, when you went into check Madeleine, Sean and Amelie the evening that Kate asked you to do that on the third of May, when you went in through their patio door did you close that after you went in''
 
00:03:44 Reply "Err I, I'm fairly sure I would have closed that, if not completely to, I'm pretty sure the more I think about it though I would have closed it to, because I wouldn't have wanted there to be err a sort of a funny draught or, or some noise, or something that made the door slam that would have woken them up so I pulled it to, behind me, but I can't guarantee it was completely shut, but it would have been there or thereabouts.'
 
4078 "And then when you left after the check''

Reply "And certainly when I left it would have been completely closed.'
 
4078 "And we covered the weather, you can't remember it being a particularly windy night.'

Reply "No I don't remember much about the weather on that night err I'm just thinking more about when we were actually running along the beach and along the err and along the front doing the, the search and I don't recall it being err particularly windy but as I think we said but last time it was windy enough for us to sail in the afternoon but they didn't necessarily translate it to have been windy in the evening.'
 
00:04:46 4078 "Then there was the question of obviously you said when you think you may have seen Madeleine last and I asked did you see the MCCANN'S during the afternoon of the third of May''

Reply "Err I don't recall seeing Kate because I think she was gone by the time we got back up from, err from the restaurant to get the tennis gear but I would have seen, I saw Gerry because he was playing tennis with the social group which was the, the social session tennis, which was what we were coming back up to attend. So he was definitely there, I would have said hello to him.'
 
4078 "And prior to that you were on the beach because you'd been sailing''

Reply "We'd been sailing and we hadn't, because it was a bit of a walk down to the beach we hadn't gone down to the beach particularly frequently, we thought we'd get down more often than that but it was, by the time the girls had woken up it was just time for, to get them ready to muck about a bit and go to the, go to the pool or to the slide before it was their tea time and then they'd join the rest of the group from there so we didn't go down to the beach particularly much, we did on that last day, mostly because we hadn't done it or even that week and it was a bit of a waste and you know because Russell and err and I were already there on the boat.'
 
00:05:50 4078 "But neither of the MCCANN'S were there on the boat''

Reply "No.'
 
4078 "Okay, we went through the phone number and I gave you a phone number which I'll just read out for the benefit of anyone watching this DVD, it's plus four, four, seven, nine, five, eight, eight, seven, nine, eight, seven, nine, and''

Reply "Its not a number I recognise and it's got that, I wondered whether it the part of the hospital because its got that repeat that it's the nine, eight, and the nine that makes it sound like a, an official''
 
4078 "Yeah.'

Reply "Building but its not our hospital number so err I don't recognise it, I can't find it on my, my phone.'
 
00:06:32 4078 "Okay, I think we also spoke about, and I specifically asked you about the tennis equipment that the MCCANN'S may have had.'

Reply "Yeah, and I don't recall seeing that they had some err I think they're more likely than Russell and, and Dave to actually have their own tennis gear because I think they were more serious about their, their sport in some ways err I know Russell definitely and I think err both Russell, Jane, Dave and Fiona all borrowed equipment from the tennis people. Gerry and Kate I think borrowed as well err and I can't remember having their, their own kit but I didn't specifically notice it and it didn't remember seeing err tennis bags but I wasn't in the apartment and we didn't travel together at the same time so I may be wrong about that.'
 
4078 "We then went through questions from Kate and Gerry so''

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "What I'm going to do is go through your responses and if there's anything that I say that you don't agree with then speak up. We've covered how long you knew Kate and Gerry, you said you'd never visited their home address, you've not been on holiday with them before and on the holiday that you did go on with them you met them sort of during the evenings, err sort of late afternoon and in the evenings.'

Reply "Yeah, there'd been a couple of lunch times. I suppose the only caviat after that is the wedding, that wasn't really, oh there was a holiday, it wasn't really a, there was kind of a, the only time''
 
00:08:00 4078 "I suppose yeah because it was in Italy wasn't it.'

Reply "So it was technically more than just a, you know.'
 
4078 "Mm, and you went for your run with Kate on the Wednesday or so.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "In relation to the children, you saw them at playtime, sort of after tea.'

Reply "Yeah, drop off at nursery just for, for the twins because they were in the same area as Grace.'
 
4078 "And have you ever felt that you had a reason to become somehow concerned about the children''

Reply "No, not at all, and I think we talked in an earlier interview, but they were always, it was always very appropriate, they were well rounded, appropriately confident, they weren't particularly clingy you know they weren't scared of their parents it was all, it was all very normal.'
 
4078 "You've gone through when you saw them on the third of May and your arrival at the Tapas bar, who was already there' You already said it was Kate and Gerry and you think they may have been talking to somebody else but you can't clearly remember who.'

Reply "No.'
 
4078 "And then you just sat down, as far as you recall you sat down as normal.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "And then everyone else duly arrived.'

Reply "Yeah, there was derogatory things about time keeping for Dave and Fiona.'
 
4078 "In relation to Kate and Gerry's behaviour it was completely normal.'

Reply "Completely normal throughout the meal and, you know, at all times really until after the event, and then it was appropriate.'
 
00:09:20 4078 "We've already gone through who left the table and at what stages on the previous, or on our initial interview. And it, and also you've already told me that when Kate got back to the table she was literally bordering on being hysterical.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "Once she'd discovered that Madeleine was missing.'

Reply "I mean that bit, you, you heard her calling before she got back to the table I mean you know she was, you know she must have been half way down the, the route between her room and, err between their room and the restaurant so you heard her before you saw her err and you could just hear the panic in her voice but then it was just everybody run, rushing back to the apartment so you know I don't think she got as far as the table before we were all up and, and going.'
 
4078 "And then the question of were you shocked about what she said, you were shocked at the facts that she was reporting.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "But you were, they were very appropriate in the way that she was saying''

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "If you imagined yourself in her shoes.'

Reply "Yeah, yeah.'
 
00:10:21 4078 "I mean you obviously would be distraught.'

Reply "That moment is just it can't be, it's just not possible, it just doesn't really happen apart from on the news and in stories obviously it does happen but you know the, it was just completely non-real for the, for, for the moment and its only as things went on that it became err became reality because you were just hoping and expecting that it was just going to be some dreadful mistake and that she was wrong, and it just takes a while for that to really hit, it is actually happening.'
 
4078 "You didn't really go into the MCCANN'S apartment after that, you saw Gerry and Kate on the sofa and they were engaged with the Police at that stage.'

Reply "Yeah they were obviously later in the''

4078 "And you didn't see the twins so therefore you didn't notice anything unusual about them because you hadn't seen them anyway.'

Reply "No.'
 
00:11:11 4078 "You've already given an account of how you got involved in the searches and the fact that you went to speak to people at reception, and you noticed Nathan, somebody from Mark Warner.'

Reply "Yeah, water front manager err who we'd met before on a previous Mark Warner holiday. I think he recognised us or maybe he recognised Rachael and then the association to me err but err yeah we knew, we'd met him before.'
 
4078 "And you didn't really see Kate so you couldn't comment on her reaction after the first ten minutes when''

Reply "No, I mean who was, it was just indirectly through you know Fiona and people sort of (inaudible) and seeing you know, how upset and everything she was, but i didn't directly see her.'
 
4078 "And with Gerry, you said he was absolutely distraught.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "And you felt their behaviour was completely appropriate under the circumstances.'

Reply "Yeah, I mean he was just saying his thoughts to me and we all thought about our own children and how it would be and if a child goes missing and then taken out the room you assume the worst and you assume the worst thing that could possibly happen to them and just the, the difficult thing for all of us you know, the thing that always concerns about leaving them in their rooms till we'd thought about it and talked about in between couples and between Rachael and I was, I mean, the worst thing you go well, you know, why you worrying so much, they're locked in, they're safe, the worst thing that can happen is they wake up and not really know where you are for five, ten minutes, and first that's pretty unlikely, Grace sleeps all the way through nearly, you know, nine times out of a hundred, and at worst she's gonna be upset for ten minutes and then you're gonna be, you're gonna be there err just the thought of something like this is just, err completely just out of our experience you know, it was just awful.'
 
00:13:00 4078 "Did you notice Kate and Gerry talking to anybody unknown during the evening meal''

Reply "No, err no, not that weren't known to all of us as part of the, err either the rest of the holiday group or err staff.'
 
4078 "And did you see them''

Reply "Nobody stuck in''
 
4078 "Sorry. Did you see them inside a car during the holiday''

Reply "No, no I didn't know there was a car.'
 
4078 "Then there was this awkward question that, is there any supplementary explanation''

Reply "No.'
 
4078 "That you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth.'

Reply "No there's nothing that we haven't, err I haven't suggested or thought of (inaudible).'
 
4078 "I think we also clarified the point that the time that you went in to check on Madeleine and the twins was the only time you went into their apartment to check the children.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "And your normal priority was really to check Grace.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "Which you and Rachael had been doing between you at natural intervals.'

Reply "Yeah, and it just fell to each couple to err to check each others and then, I think I might have mentioned in one of the previous ones they, Dave and Fiona had a, had a monitor stretched the distance across from the, their apartment to ours and it was just that as the holiday went on and you knew from better, it seemed like the sort of nice thing to do, to, offer to do it on that last, on the last night, but it wasn't usual routine err for us to check on each other's children, it may be different for Dave and Fiona you know Gerry and Kate better and their children better err but for us it only, you know, during the holiday it didn't seem appropriate at the beginning, it wouldn't be our natural response to do it.'
 
00:14:33 4078 "And in relation to checking Grace, because it was like at natural intervals your guess is it was sort of every, between every fifteen to thirty minutes.'

Reply "Yeah I think thirty would be the, the outside err because I mentioned earlier I'm a fairly fast eater and I was finished and rather than just sitting there twiddling my thumbs while everybody else was still eating, I'd have usually gone, I say I volunteered to do it so I probably did more of the checking on Grace than Rachael although she would have done during the days of the holiday.'
 
4078 "Okay. I'm just going to make sure that I've got everything that we've previously covered.'

Reply "Okay, I remembered (inaudible).'
 
4078 "(Inaudible).'
 
Reply "Yeah that's fine.'
 
00:15:08 DC FERGUSON left the interview room.
00:16:00 DC FERGUSON re-entered the interview room.

4078 "There was one thing we forgot.'

Reply "Right.'

4078 "Robert MURAT.'

Reply "Oh yeah, err never saw him, I didn't see him on the night but I wasn't around the apartment as much. I know he, that Rachael and Fiona saw him on that night but I didn't recognise him when the, when the picture came up and they all suddenly went we saw that man on the night. He didn't mean anything to me, err I'd not seen him. The first I'd seen him was on the, on the news. I had no interaction with him then and I know he interviewed err or translated at the Police Station but he wasn't involved in any translation for me and I hadn't see him before.'
 
4078 "Okay. Thank you. It's now fifteen thirty four, is there anything else that you needed to say before we finished''

Reply "We covered the re-enactment (inaudible).'
 
4078 "Well we did speak about the re-enactment last time.'

Reply "Yeah I just remembered when you said that you remembered some''
 
4078 "Yes.'

Reply "For something else. Err and I think for, for us it was a question of (sighs) we'd do anything that would make a difference to this. If it was gonna be genuinely helpful then there'd be no question that we'd go and do it. There are a number of sort of practical issues in terms of you know childcare and would it be the seven or would it be the whole nine, I mean err you know to recreate the entire night. It would need to be Gerry and Kate, of course they are arguidos and they'd be feel, I'm sure they'd feel a bit more nervous about going back to do it once that was err whilst they would struggle under that and I think from our point of view we couldn't see, or from my point of view I can't see quite what extra would people get out of it given that we've already given the statements err and timeline and been questioned about that as much as we can remember it, so we'd basically just be following what we, what we said in terms of timing and we have concerns that it's not really gonna add anything and maybe that if you were to play devil's advocate and be very suspicious you might be saying it was just being done to create a problem and create inconsistencies. Now that might not be the case and there may be very good reasons that something else would come out of it but in terms of how it's gonna help find Madeleine I don't see yet why that would be a benefit, and its use such as whether not necessarily the Police sort of video but whether somebody sort of in all the apartments that overlooks it could be videoing it and releasing it in sort of an edited form or, or just in general because there's been moments when we've sat round a table going, did you sit there and looking at watches and it might look a bit sort of odd and we wouldn't want that to be out in the err out in the open without good err you know good a, a reason to think that it was going to beneficial.'
 
00:18:35 4078 "I think you also mentioned that you were concerned about perhaps the weather conditions might not be the same as they were that night.'

Reply "Yeah, I think that was more of the practical side that if it, if its being done now because of the weather conditions then what happens if it was, you know, stormy for a week, I mean it wouldn't be quite the same, it might be darker because the storm clouds would, would that then mean that we'd wait for a week or two, how open ended would it be err and also a bit of concern that this is a sensitive time, its going to be a year anniversary.'
 
4078 "Mm.'

Reply "And you know Kate would rather be doing, and all of us would rather be doing something that was err a more sort of reflective on the time rather than being, I suppose the horror of that night and getting on that particular anniversary time, the timing is not good.'
 
4078 "Yeah.'

Reply "You know, I can understand the reasons for asking for it for being the same time of year.'
 
4078 "Yeah. So you're not sort or refusing to attend the re-enactment because of just being awkward.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "You're just, can't see the value in it.'

Reply "Yeah.'
 
4078 "And you have a number of concerns that you'd like to be resolved before you commit yourself.'

Reply "Yeah, and I think I'm fairly sure everybody else will say similar sort of thing. I think Gerry and Kate, a bit more tricky from err the legal point of view.'
 
4078 "Yeah.'

Reply "And actually, bizarrely enough I've got, I was supposed to be going on a friends, supposed to be a friends stag do that weekend and the best man rang up and said we're now going to Lisbon, well maybe not that weekend, it might not be the best but I might have been out there anyway, but its not gonna happen now.'

4078 "Okay, is there anything else''

Reply "No, no I don't think so.'
 
4078 "Thank you for your patience.'

Reply "No that's alright.'
 
4078 "It's now fifteen thirty eight and we'll finish this interview.'

00:20:14 The interview ceased at 1538 hours when the tape recorder was switched off.

SIGNATURE (Sgd)
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Surname: OLDFIELD
Forenames: MATTHEW DAVID
Age: Date of Birth:
Address:
Postcode:
Occupation: DOCTOR
Telephone No:
Statement Date: 9/04/2008 Number of Pages: 1
 
 
 I am the above named and I live at the address given to the police.
 
 On Wednesday, 9th of April 2008, between 10:19 hours and 11:22 hours I was interviewed by Detective Constable FERGUSON at Leicestershire Police Headquarters, the interview was recorded on DVD. I am able to state that what I said during that interview is an accurate account of my evidence.
 
 On Wednesday,9th April 2008 , between 11:54 hours and 13:08 hours I was interviewed by Detective Constable FERGUSON at Leicestershire Headquarters, the interview was recorded on DVD. I am able to state that what I said during that interview is an accurate account of my evidence.
 
 On Wednesday, 9th April 2008, between 14:14 hours and 14:51 hours I was interviewed by Detective FERGUSON at Leicestershire Police Headquarters. As a result of a technical problem this interview did not record. I was then re-interviewed by DC FERGUSON between 15:18 hours and 15:38 hours. I am able to state that what I said during that interview is an accurate account of my evidence.
 
 During interviews I marked on a plan (labelled as exhibit D.M.2)the route that I took between my apartment and the Tapas Bar when checking on my daughter G***e. I have now produce this plan as my exhibit M.O.1.
 
 This statement is made by myself and is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.
 
 Signed: M. Oldfield



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 11:10:PM
Russel O'Brien

Member of the Tapas 7                                                                       

Dr. Russel James O'Brien was interviewed four times by the PJ and fith and last by LP. See here links with some extracts regarding evening 3rd May:

?04-May-2007 “Until yesterday, May 3rd 2007, he has no knowledge of anything suspicious or strange happening around the group of friends or their children. Everybody seemed normal to him from the cleaning staff, to the gardeners, to the rest of the employees of the complex. Also on the beach, he never noticed anything strange or people who could have been thought of as strange enough to attract his suspicions. Yesterday, as his daughter xxxx was feeling ill, the informant dropped yyyy (his other daughter!) at the Kids Club at around 10am after breakfast. He completely corroborates his partner Jane Tanner's statements for the rest of the day. At around 7.15/7.30pm, the informant went back to his apartment. He read stories to his daughters, including xxxx who was feeling better. His partner, Jane, went to have dinner at the ”TAPAS“ restaurant at around 8.30pm and he went there at around 8.45pm. When he arrived at the restaurant, nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane. They arrived more or less 5 minutes later. At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals. While they were eating, it was normal that every 15 minutes, one person from each apartment would go to the apartments/bedrooms make sure the children were ok. Yesterday, as xxxx was not well, the interval between checks was reduced. He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. Jane could have come back first because she found Gerry chatting with a person who is also a guest in the same place, named Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about xxxx. Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the first course. [as entradas]. At around 9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull [waiting pause] before being served with the first [main] course, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there, his daughter xxxx was crying. He stayed in her bedroom with her. He supposes that Matthew checked his apartment. Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in xxxx's bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner. At around 9.55, he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5 or 10 minutes. All the other adults had finished. At around 10pm, Kate Healy went out to check her children in her apartment. When she came back, she came towards our table, shouting that Madeleine had disappeared. They all went out, running, and he with a few more people decided to look around the apartment blocks, and in their own apartments, to see if they could find Madeleine. In the personal search that he did following the disappearance he did not manage to identify any suspect item/person/object. When it seemed to them that possibly she didn't have to be in the immediate surrounding area they widened the search area having the same fruitless result. He does not know who called the police…”

?11-May-2007 “…He furthers that he did not know if the glass sliding doors were locked or not but that probably Gerry told him on this night to enter his apartment to check on the children. The deponent explains that for him and his spouse, this system was secure and effective and each couple would check on their children every 15/30 minutes. For his part, he guarantees that all the doors and windows were closed and locked, explaining that the windows and the glass sliding doors can only be open and closed via the interior of the apartment. As he understood, only Gerald and Kate used the system of entering through the sliding doors, as this was easier. They stayed in the apartment closest to the pathway and there was a corridor in the back area that gave access to the stairs. The rest of the elements of the group went via the passage-way, until the corner and would enter through their front doors. When the carried out the audio checks, they would position themselves near the windows and would try to hear if noise was coming from inside or crying. - Questioned regarding his routine during the holidays, he confirms in all of his previous declarations and that his version is absolutely in line with his companion's Jane Tanner. ….- Until the past Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, he has no knowledge of any strange/suspicious happenings in the group of friends or with the children. Everything to him seemed normal, from the cleaning staff, gardeners, and the rest of the functionaries of the complex. He also saw no strange people on the beach who looked of a suspicious nature. - Questioned, states that no one from the group used a vehicle, particular or rented and that they went everywhere in Praia da Luz on foot. - He made note of the activities on the 3rd of May p.p.. This note consists of all the facts presented, of his activities and those of the group. They are in accordance with the version already represented by his wife, Jane Tanner. - Regarding the night period, affirms that, on this day, around 19H15/19H30 he went to his apartment. Told his daughters some stories, having stayed with Evie O'Brien, who was a little better but had a hard time sleeping. Meanwhile, his companion Jane went to dinner in the restaurant the Tapas around 20H35/20H40 with the deponent going around 20H45. ….- When he arrived at the restaurant, all the adults were there, without the children. David and Fiona were missing and Dianne Webster. They arrived more or less 10 minutes after. - Around 2100 they ordered dinner. - As was normal, in more or less every 15/30 minutes, one person from each apartment would go to the apartments/rooms to check on the children and if they were well. On that day, as Evie O'Brien was ill, this time was reduced. - He remembers that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant, around 21H00, having gone to the apartments to ensure that no noise was coming from within. - He is not sure who left first. But has the notion that, about five minutes after, Gerry McCann went to check on his children. Around 5 or 10 minutes after Gerry McCann had left, the deponent's companion, Jane Tanner, also left, to check personally on how her two children were doing. He does remember is Jane or Gerry arrived first but remembers that Jane commented on having passed Gerry on the road, and that he was talking to another guest in the same locale, named Jez. - Around 21h25, taking advantage of a pause in the service of the first plate, the deponent left the restaurant with Matthew Oldfield to check on the children. He arrived at his apartment and immediately heard his daughter Evie crying and stayed in the apartment. He believes that Matthew Oldfield went to his apartment, and is not aware if he was going to also check on the McCann children and went to the deponent's apartment and asked him if he needed help. - Matthew Oldfield returned to the restaurant, having told Jane Tanner that the deponent stayed behind with Evie O'Brien because she was crying. - The truth is that after the crying, the deponent had to change all the sheets and his daughter's clothing as she had vomited. - His companion came to change places with him 15 minutes after and told him to go finish dinner. - Around 21H55, he returned to the restaurant, having stayed there for 5/10 minutes waiting to be served his plate. At this point, all the others had already finished eating. - Around 22H00, Kate Healy left to check on the children in her apartment an returned in desperation, entered the restaurant screaming, in the direction of the table where the group was seated, affirming that Madeleine McCann has disappeared. - All of them left, except Dianne Webster, and the deponent with some other people decided to start looking around the apartment blocks, and in the apartments, to see if they could find Madeleine. - In the searches they carried out, after the disappearance, they did not identify any element/person/or suspicious object. - Because he is asked, states that he cannot describe the state of the children's room after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, because he never entered there. When they were alerted to the situation, they immediately left the table, and the deponent immediately began searching the immediate areas, heading towards the village and the beach zone. - Questioned regarding if he noticed whether the blind to the children's room was up or down, states that he cannot answer because he did not look. He remembers that when he went to check on his children, together with Matthew Oldfield, they were talking and did not look to the windows. - Questioned whether he knows if Matthew Oldfield went, or not, to check on the McCann children, he states that he does not know as he stayed with his daughter Evie Obrien in the apartment, but heard, after, a comment that he [Matt] was supposed to have gone, but that in the checking, he went to the outside of the door to the room, saw the twins, and not Madeleine McCann's bed, which was situated at an angle which did not give him visual contact. - States that he has no suspicion to present, and doe not remember any detail of situation that could be related to the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann….”

?16-May-2007 …statement regarding MURAT…

?11-July-2007 …statement regarding MURAT…

?10-April-2008 “… On the 3rd May 2007 I saw Madeleine in the morning a couple of times this was when I dropped Ella off. I took the kids up to breakfast at the Millennium club and walked to the Ocean Club I was late getting Ella there, the kids were having a great time at the kids club and all appeared to well. I went to the flat with Evie, whilst she was resting I read a book. When she woke up we went outside to watch Jane play tennis I saw Madeleine at lunchtime I can’t recall if Jane or I collected Ella it’s all a bit hazy now. I recall that Jane had been having a tennis lesson also there was Kate and Rachael. We were watching some children have their lesson this was before lunch. I recall that one of the guests a guy from Southampton came over his daughter was playing tennis, he wanted to take a picture but expressed to us how uncomfortable he felt in doing so- he said something similar to feeling like a pervert or a dirty old man when taking a picture of his own child, I do not wish to implicate him. I recall that the child was of a similar age to Madeleine and Ella. I recall that Madeleine and Ella had had a similar lesson the day before. We agreed that in this day and age taking a photograph of your own child you shouldn’t be made to feel uncomfortable, it was a horrible coincident. I would like to stress that I do not think that this man had any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance. I feel that it was a haunting coincidence.

Ella went back to the kids club and I went out with Matt sailing, I Jane was looking after Evie. Whilst I was out sailing with Matt he fell in the water, I had to sail back to save him this made the day quite memorable that and it being the best day weather wise. When we came back Jane was at the beach with the children, I recall that at some point around 17:00-17:30 Kate was out running she was dressed in her full running kit which was a vest and shorts- one item was grey and the other pale blue but I cannot say which way round. When Kate ran past on her run she didn’t speak to us, but she did acknowledge us as a group. We didn’t stick to our usual routine so much that day the children stayed with us and ate their tea at the bar by the beach called the Paridiso. Everyone was there at the beach except Kate, Gerry and their kids. I collected Ella from the Ocean Club before she went up to tea at the Tapas Bar, I cannot say whether Madeleine was there or not. It was a warm day, good afternoon I recall that I went up to the social tennis around 18:00hours with Matt I think David went to the apartment and then up to Gerry’s. I played tennis for around an hour to an hour and a half, Dan the tennis coach was also present, as were some other male guests and Gerry we played a mixture of singles and doubles. The kids came up with Jane, Fiona and Rachael from the beach, but not the MC CANN’S children I presume that they were at the apartment. They stayed for a short while before going back to the apartment to be bathed and put to bed. I got back to the flat around 20:00hours as we were running late we had to take the rackets back with us. The children were in bed Jane went down to the restaurant around 20:30-20:40hours I remained in the flat for another ten minutes or so waiting for them to settle down. I went down to the Tapas bar the adults of 5H were running late as usual, David and Fiona are always late and it is a standing joke in our group. Around 21:00hours Matt was going over to check on Grace so he said he would chase (page 6) the Payne’s up as we were all waiting to order and we were conscious that the waiting staff wanted us to place our orders. I believe that he listened at the windows on his way to find the PAYNES having gone to check on Grace.

The evening was the same as evenings before Kate and Gerry were behaving entirely normally. Following Madeleine’s disappearance and subsequent search we had made a time line together this will show what time Gerry left the table. I don’t recall at what point but it was around 21:05 Gerry left the table was only away for a little while, Jane also went to check the children and was gone for a minute or so. The children were ok she didn’t mention anything unusual. After we had eaten the starters I needed to go to the toilet so Matt and I decided we would go and check on the children. We walked together I recall that the light was fading I went straight to 5D I could hear Evie was murmuring. I went into the apartment and Matt went into his. I went to the toilet to urinate and then started to clean up Evie and change her, Matt came into my apartment and asked if I needed any help. It was getting darker by this time. I said to go back and tell Jane that Evie was unwell. I sat in the lounge and read to Evie Jane came back having eaten her meal. We stayed together in the apartment for around 5minutes. I went across to the Tapas restaurant this would have been around 21:45hours, Jane remained with Evie. The group joked about Jane having been to relieve me they were all in good humour. Kate left the table there was nothing significant about her leaving but I think it was a similar time to my meal arriving. I think that this would have been around 22:00hours, I didn’t have a watch or phone to check the time but Rachael did ask for the time and 22:00hours was mentioned. I know that she didn’t leave straight after me arriving back as the waiters had agreed to cook me a fresh meal.

Kate returned through the reception area standing at the end of the path near the stones, and yelled over towards our table in the Tapas bar I cannot recall exactly what she yelled but it was along the lines of Maddy is missing. We all got up immediately except Dianne who remained at the table. I am fairly sure on the time, I have put a great deal of thought who may have been watching us during the week, but all appeared quite normal to us, the people who would have known our routine would have been the waiters. I can’t recall any other people dining in the restaurant at the time, there would have been people in there but as we ate quite left they would have left during our meal. We went over to Gerry and Kate’s apartment I didn’t go in to the apartment. I can recall it would have been a similar layout to ours, although the furniture and décor was different to ours as the apartments are leased. I didn’t go into the bedroom on this occasion, but I’d imagine that there are wardrobes in there as there are in ours. When I had been into the apartment on previous occasions it had been dark. During the interview I drew a seating plan of the Tapas bar and who was sitting where which I have previously marked and produced as my exhibit.

On the evening I was wearing brown jeans/cord style trousers, a pale blue stripe top, and Jane had taken my jumper which was blue. The nights were quite chilly which is why Jane had my jumper I am quite use to the cold. I wish to reiterate that I joined the group at the Tapas bar 20:45 I went down to the table alone, everyone was there except the PAYNE’S and Dianne. (page seven) When I went to check the children I went to my flat first then Matt walked on to his flat 5B, I believe that he was gone for around 60-90seconds. Then he checked on the MC CANN’S children having left my apartment. This was the final check before Madeleine was noticed missing, nothing appeared to be unusual and there was nothing that suggested we were being watched. When Kate raised the alarm she didn’t get to the table as the area was all enclosed, she was at the start of the path she shouted across to us. We ran out through the reception we were all in a panic some people went into the flat I stayed outside, I then conducted a quick search of the immediate area with Matt, Dave and possibly Gerry. We searched a cul-de-sac area which I would describe as being a passage way at the front of the block on the car park side. We went on to search the gardens and patios. Then we went downhill towards the centre. On the second search we went to the shopping centre and then towards the tennis courts. We searched around the back of the tennis courts. On my way back I bumped into Dave he said to me this is bad this is really bad they’ve not found her. We searched down to the beach I searched the East side, and Matt and Dave the West side. We went back to 5A it was clear that panic was setting in Gerry was on the phone to a family member back home, for someone that is such a strong character he is usually so calm, decisive, confident. He was lying on the floor in hysterics, he had a high voice crying like a baby, I didn’t know what to say.

By this time we had been joined by Ocean Club staff I am aware that Fiona and Rachael had spoken to Jane. Jane has been made to feel frustrated, like she is a sympathetic witness, a fantasist and a liar. She feels that the P.J do not believe her. I went to Jane she was with Rachael I hugged her she said “I knew there was something odd, I knew it was strange”. “I watched someone carrying a child”. She played it down Jane’s character is to be calm, composed but she wasn’t herself at this time. She was adamant that she had seen the man, and that the child could have been Madeleine. She feels there is a good chance she witnessed the abduction….

…. We tried to find a picture of Madeleine Kate checked her camera but these were mainly of her at home or not such a clear picture. We found a picture of Madeleine but we couldn’t print it off. Cat or one of the nannies said that they had a printer and took the camera away to get some photos copied. A copy of the photo was given directly to the Police, someone from the Mark Warner staff made a poster- but I do not know who that was. (page eight) I am not sure who informed the authorities or media of Madeleine’s disappearance but Gerry may have informed the authorities along with Matt. As for the media I think Rachael called a friend who works at the BBC. I loathe the media even more so now, I have a very low opinion of them Dave was also seen keen to make use of the media and think that he may have constructed an email- but I am not sure whether that was actually sent. I know that there were attempts to contact the British Consulate. Searches- I searched mainly on my own, although we were all close by to each other. The searches weren’t really planned no plans were drawn up and there wasn’t really any particular structure. There may have been places that we missed, it was hap-hazard and panicked. It wasn’t well organised. Leave doors/windows open- We didn’t leave doors/windows open. We did sit outside on Saturday along with other days on the patio, we wouldn’t have left it open once away. Checks on children- Checks made on children, we had the routine already outlined in this statement. How often- four-five checks per evening. Kate and Gerry checked by the clock, where as Jane and I checked between courses, I don’t have any recollection of the MC CANN’S children crying had I have heard them crying I would have checked on them….”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 11:34:PM
Witness Statement

Jane Michelle Tanner

Date 2007-05-04

Time: 11.30

As she is a British citizen and does not understand written or spoken Portuguese, she is assisted by the interpreter, Filipa Silva.

She has been on holiday in Portugal since last Saturday, 28th April, staying at the OC resort in P da L, Lagos, together with her partner (Russell O'Brien), their two children and three couples (Gerald McCann and Kate Healy, Matthew Oldfield and Rachel Mampilly and David and Fiona Payne. The group also included Fiona Payne's mother, Diane Webster.

She was accompanied by her two children, E**a O'Brien aged three and E**e O'Brien aged one.

The other couples also brought their children, G***e Oldfield aged one (the daughter of Rachel Mampilly and Matthew Oldfield), L*** Payne aged two and S******* Payne, aged 11 months (daughters of David and Fiona Payne) and the twins Amelie and Sean McCann aged two and Madeleine McCann who would be four in two weeks time (children of Kate and Gerry McCann).

They were on holiday, which they (the couples) had arranged from England where they are friends. They travelled through the MW agency.

All the couples stayed in individual apartments (I) in the same resort, with their respective children.

Since Saturday the routine was that they would almost all get up at about 07.30-08.00 and then would have breakfast in a restaurant near to their accommodation, called the Millenium (6), taking their children at about 09.00 AM to three different areas of the Kids Club (2) (4) (5) according to the children's' ages.

Only the McCann couple would have breakfast in their apartment, due to the fact that they had three children and because it was complicated to walk with the three at the same time. After this they would also take their children to the Kids Club.

As regards the Kids Club, she clarifies:

E**a O'Brien and Madeleine McCann were in a room in a building near to the reception (4) and English lady called Cat Baker was responsible for them. Apart from her, there were three or four more persons looking after the children, she only remembers one name (Emma Wilding). They would do various activities, such as going to the indoor pool at the resort, they would go to the tennis court, situated outside near to the Tapas restaurant (3), they would got to the beach (outside), they would paint and play (inside the resort).
Scarlet Payne was also near to the reception but in another room (5) different to the one E**a and Madeleine were in. She does not know who was responsible or who the employees who worked in this room were.

As regards G***e Oldfield and E**e O'Brien, Amelie and Sean McCann, they were all in one room (2) near to the Tapas restaurant. The person responsible for GO and E**e O'B was an English citizen called Leanne Wagstaff. As regards L*** Payne, Amelie and Sean, without knowing for certain, she says that the person responsible was Stacy Portz. The activities were identical to those of the other rooms, both inside and outside of the resort. At about 12.30 they would all go and fetch their children from the respective Kids Club rooms, as these would close, and go have lunch.

They would sometimes have lunch together in one of the couples' apartments. At about 14.30 the Kids Club rooms would open again and the only children who returned to the rooms were Madeleine, E**a, Amelie and Sean.

The other children would stay with their respective parents.

At about 16.45 all the children would meet for tea in an annex to the Tapas restaurant (3). It was the employee Cat Baker who would take E**a and Madeleine.

During the time they were having tea, the children's' parents would come and collect them.

Until 3rd May she has no knowledge of anything strange or suspicious having happened to the group of friends or to the children.

Yesterday the witness did not go to breakfast because she had tennis booked for 09.00. It was her partner who took her daughters for breakfast, having previously taken E**a O'Brien to the Kids Club. E**e O'B who was not feeling well, did not go to her Kids Club room and went with her father to look for the witness. They arrived at about 09.30 having waited for almost 30 minutes for the tennis lesson (8) to have finished.

The witness played tennis (8) with Kate and with Diane Webster. She does not know where Kate's children had breakfast, but knows that the three of them went to their respective rooms in the Kids Club. She supposes that it was Gerry who took them there.

During the tennis lesson (8) Kate behaved normally.

After the tennis lesson the witness went with her partner and daughter E**e to the beach (7) where they stayed until about 12.20. After this, they went to pick up E**a from the Kids Club.

She does not know what Kate did after leaving the tennis courts (8) between 10.10 and 11.10.

She does not remember whether Madeleine was still in the room when she went to pick up her daughter, E**a. They both went to their apartment (1) taking their daughters with them. Mathew and Rachel and their daughter also appeared and had lunch with them.

They had lunch between 12.45 and 13.45, afterwards at about 14.00 the witness played tennis again (8) with Rachel.

Her daughters and Rachel's daughter stayed in the apartment (1) with their respective parents.
She remembers that when she was playing tennis, she saw Kate and Gerry arrive at the children's playground, next to the tennis courts, with their three children. Kate waved to her. They stayed at the playground until 14.40 when they went to take the children to the Kids Club.

After finishing playing tennis at about 14.45, the witness went to her apartment (1) where she stayed with her daughter E**e, her partner had gone sailing with Matthew.

At about 15.45 she went to the beach with Rachel, Diane, Fiona, L*** and Scarlet Payne, taking her daughter E**e along.

Meanwhile Russell arrived from the boat trip and went straight to pick up E**a from the Kids Club. They joined the witness at the beach (7) where they stayed until 18.10-18.15.

"When she went to the beach she saw GM and KH having a personal tennis lesson. No children were with them.

Around 17h15 she saw KH pass the beach (7) "jogging", she having waved."

Russell, Matthew and David left the beach a little earlier to go to the tennis court (8), it was men's tennis evening. When the witness, together with her friends and children returned from the beach at about 18.20, they passed by the tennis courts and saw all the men, including Gerry on court. They stayed there talking to them until about 20.30 (sic). Gerald behaved normally.

She thinks Kate was in the apartment (1) putting the children to bed.

At about 19.00 they all went back to their own apartments with the children. The witness bathed her children, read them a story and put them to bed. E**e who was unwell and having trouble sleeping, stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime. The witness went for dinner at the Tapas restaurant at about 20.30.

When she arrived at the restaurant several members of the group were already there, without their children. They were all presumably sleeping.

At about 21.00 her husband arrived at the restaurant, having got E**e to sleep. For this reason and because Fiona, David and Diane only arrived at about 21.00, the dinner, reserved for 20.30, only began after 21.00.

Normally, every 15 minutes a member from each apartment would go and check the bedrooms of the respective children to see if everything was all right.

During dinner everything went well. Everyone was in a good mood.

She remembers that at about 21.10 Gerald left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to check on the children. Five minutes later, the witness left, to go to her apartment to see whether her daughters were OK. At this moment she saw Gerry talking to an Englishman called Jez whom they had got to know during the holidays. They played tennis with him.

She passed by them knowing that Gerry had already been in the apartment (1) to check his children.

Meanwhile a man appeared ( * ) carrying a child (**), with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention. She only managed to see him from the side, with the child in his arms. She noticed the individual's presence exactly when she had just passed by Gerry and Jez who were talking, having seen this person step off the pavement that borders on the apartment block where they were staying and rapidly cross the road.

The entrance to the apartment building (1) is exactly at the place (street) where the individual appeared from.

After checking on her daughters, she returned to the restaurant. On her way back Gerry was no longer talking in the place where she had seen him.

When she arrived at the restaurant Gerry was already there, accompanied by his wife, Kate.

About 15-20 minutes later, her husband Russell and Matthew left to check on the children. As her daughter E**e was restless and crying, Russell stayed in the apartment.

Meanwhile Matthew went to check his child and those of Kate and Gerry. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see Madeleine. As there was no noise he supposed that all was well and returned to the restaurant. Matthew informed the witness that Russell had stayed in the apartment.

After having quickly eaten her main course, the witness went to her apartment in order to take over from Russell, so that he could have his dinner.

When she was in the apartment, at about 22.00- 22.15 she heard Kate and Fiona shouting and saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

When asked, she says that she thinks it was Kate who discovered the girl to be missing, the witness is not sure due not being in the restaurant at that time.

During all the evenings they carried out these procedures, they would get up from the table and check that everything was well with the children.

Madeleine was a lovely, very friendly, very active, playful girl. She likes to jump around. She was intelligent and (the witness) does not believe that if a stranger had approached she would not have shouted.

She says that of all the holiday group, the couple she knows least well are Kate and Gerry. She does not remember Kate had ever mentioned that Madeleine slept badly or had caused any kind of problems.

Description of the tourist resort:

The OC resort is composed of a vast area, in accordance with the map that is annexed to this statement. This map is marked with the numbers of the sites that are of greatest importance to this investigation, such as:

1. Apartments where the couples were staying. This block is composed of 3 or 4 buildings, each containing about 6 apartments, for a total of between 20 and 30 apartments.

2. Kids Club room, attended by G***e, E**e, L***, Amelie and Sea.

3. Tapas restaurant.

4. Kids Club room attended by E**a and Madeleine.

5. Kids Club room attended by Scarlet.

6. Millenium restaurant.

7. P da L Beach.

8. Tennis courts.

9. Area of the sketch made by the witness.


Personal description:

( * ) Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" sic type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

(**) About the child whom appeared to be sleeping, she only saw her legs. The child appeared to be older than a baby. She was barefoot and was wearing what appeared to be cotton pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain.

As regards these details, she does not know what Madeleine was wearing at the moment of her disappearance, because she did not talk to anyone about this. As she concerns the man she saw, she only spoke to Gerald about this, not entering into details, and to the police.

When requested, she drew a sketch, which is joined to this statement (9).

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.

No more is said.

Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 08, 2019, 11:42:PM
21 Facts about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

FACT 1.

A statement was taken by Leicestershire Police from Katherina Gaspar. That statement raised serious questions about Gerry McCann, and one of his friends, David Payne. Katherina was on holiday with the McCanns and David Payne in 2005. It was on this holiday, that she witnessed the two men having a discussion, and making sexual gestures. Horrifyingly, she believes they were discussing Madeleine at the time.

Despite the statement being given to Leicestershire Police only two weeks after Madeleine was reported missing, it wasn't passed onto the Portuguese authorities, until October 24, 2007, after the McCanns had been questioned as arguido (suspects), and after the coordinator of the investigation, had been inexplicably removed from the case, and only then, because the PJ requested it.

FACT 2.

The McCanns claim they were doing regular checks whilst they left their three children in the apartment, alone at night.

Gerry McCann:

"The kids were sound asleep and they were being checked regularly. We didn't think we needed a babysitter. We are good parents and what we did felt perfectly reasonable at the time."

"It's like we were sat in our back garden, all be it at the end of our garden."

Yet a neighbour heard one of the children crying out for approximately 1 hour 15 minutes. This crying went on until the parents arrived home. To leave a child alone, and crying for a parent is neglectful, pure and simple.

FACT 3.

The nannies who were said to be in contact with Madeleine in the days leading up to her being reported missing, all tell a different story. With regards to confirmed contact, no one statement matches.

FACT 4.

On the night Madeleine was reported missing, the McCanns and their friends state that regular checks were being made upon the children. Gerry McCann claims he was only away from the table for a matter of minutes at the time it is believed Madeleine was "taken", a claim not backed up by one of the friends who states that:
"Kate had been moaning that you'd been gone a long time watching the football"

At this point Gerry McCann has no alibi for longer than 2 minutes.

FACT 5.

One of the group of friends, Matt Oldfield claims, in his statement, that he went to check on the McCann children just after 9:30pm, however, he cannot state whether Madeleine was in her bed or not, despite having a clear view, and stating that he could see the twins breathing in the same room, the picture below illustrates where Matt would have been stood as he entered the room. Madeleine's bed is immediately to his left, the twins cot beyond it, in the centre of the room.

FACT 6.

At 9:55pm, a family witnessed a man carrying a small child toward the beach, not 5 minutes away from where Gerry McCann was last seen. This family were said to be convinced the little girl was Madeleine McCann, the head of the family was up to 80% sure that the man carrying her was Gerry McCann.


FACT 7.

The above sighting is the main focus of New Scotland Yard's investigation, who described it as a "revelation moment". Another man was seen passing by the McCann's apartment, but was ruled out by both police forces, having come forward and identified himself. Despite this, the McCanns still promote him as a suspect.

FACT 8.

Despite the McCanns having the evidence of the sighting in their hands since November 2008, it took them 5 years to put the efit on their Official Find Madeleine page, and only then a few weeks after Scotland Yard put it up on Crimewatch.

FACT 9.

Kate McCann got up to "check" on her children at 10pm. Only she wasn't actually going to "check", despite having walked all the way to the apartment. I realise how ludicrous that sounds, and that's probably because it is. The link below takes you to a video of Kate McCann giving the most implausible account of her "check" that evening.

FACT 10.

Kate McCann refused to give a detailed statement, as to what happened when she claims she realised Madeleine was missing. In fact she refused to answer any questions about what she saw, what she did, or where she looked after 10pm, immediately prior to her raising the alarm, when, according to her sister in law, she came out of the apartment, leaving the twins behind, shouting: "THEY'VE TAKEN HER"

FACT 11.

The McCanns did not search for Madeleine. Apart from a brief look around the immediate vicinity, and a trip down to the beach for Gerry, where he didn't actually search, but was "consoled" by a friend (David Payne), Kate and Gerry did not search until 6am the following morning.

FACT 12.

The McCanns lied to their friends back in the UK. As hard as that is to believe, the McCanns claimed that an intruder had "broken" "smashed" "jemmied" the shutters, and taken Madeleine out of the window. All this took place whilst scores of locals and guests searched for Madeleine McCann. Yep, whilst all that was going on, the McCanns weren't searching, they were creating lies.

FACT 13.

On May 4th 2007, the morning after Madeleine was reported missing, Yvonne Martin, who worked for child protection services in England, and who was also on holiday in Portugal, introduced herself to the McCanns outside their apartment. She showed them her identification, and offered to help them. Curiously, and despite no leads, Kate McCann told her that Madeleine had been abducted by a couple. This claim also ties in with the report of Kate shouting, "THEY'VE TAKEN HER", but with no leads, how could Kate be so sure?

Stood with the McCanns at the time was David Payne, the man accused of making sexual gestures about Madeleine. It was Payne who pulled the couple away from Yvonne Martin, and after whispering to them, ushered them inside. Payne then returned to the street, where he told Yvonne Martin that the couple did not require her assistance.

Yvonne Martin states that she recognized Payne from the course of her work, and indeed, her concerns were great enough for her to write a letter to british police, stating that she felt the parents were involved in the disappearance of Madeleine. She also noted that Payne was wearing the same clothes, as a description of as man police had said was carrying a small child, the previous night.

Yvonne Martin also asked the police to check if David Payne was, or had been on any child abuse, or paedophile registers.

FACT 14.

A Ltd company was set up within days of Madeleine going missing. This wasn't a charity, it was and still is, a Ltd company. You'd be forgiven for thinking the company, called the Madeleine Fund, Leaving No Stone Unturned, was set up to find Madeleine, not so, it was set up "mainly for legal expenditure", as the video below proves.

FACT 15.

The McCanns made mortgage payments on their house in Rothley, directly from the fund.


FACT 16.

Madeleine's birthday, May 12th 2007, 9 days after Madeleine was reported missing. The following excerpt is taken from Kate McCann's book, and describes in her words how their mood was on this day:

”We ate mostly in silence, concentrating on the kids. I couldn't eat much, and alcohol was completely off my agenda. Fiona recalls that Gerry and I were completely shut down that day, barely able to talk, and although our friends tried to remain cheerful and behave normally to get us through it, they all felt awkward about being at this lovely villa, in the sunshine, in these circumstances. There was no cake. Gerry did attempt a toast but he was visibly upset and couldn't manage much more than ‘I can’t even say happy birthday to my daughter . . .’ before choking up. The physical loss was more intense than ever. I ached for Madeleine."

This is just one of the many blatant lies that appear in the book. Here we see a photograph, and below a video, taken on that very day, that shows the parents, and in particular, Gerry McCann, behaving in a manner totally different to the one Kate describes in her book.

FACT 17.

May 21st 2007, the McCanns meet with Labour Government spin doctor, Clarence Mitchell. In an unprecedented move, Mitchell is deployed to deal with the press on behalf of the McCanns. Mitchell's involvement in the case hindered the police investigation, he also lied to the press. Here are just some of his lies:

“There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever, nothing, to suggest Madeleine has been harmed, let alone killed” LIE

and an odd statement to make given that in 2008 he also said:

“Madeleine is probably dead”

“I can categorically state that Gerry did not have a blue tennis bag” LIE

When talking about the Helping to find Madeleine fund Mitchell described it as:

“Independently controlled” LIE

“Kate and Gerry would have no issue with taking a lie detector test” LIE

“There are wholly innocent explanations for any material the police may or may not have found”

When talking about the “tapas 7” and the McCann’s he stated:

“None of them were wearing watches or had mobile phones on them that evening” LIE

“Kate and Gerry have been utterly honest, and utterly open with the police and all of their statements since the moment Madeleine was taken” LIE

“We have nothing to hide” LIE

“We are always willing to cooperate with the Portuguese police” LIE

The head of the Portuguese police department Carlos Anjos described Clarence Mitchell as “a manipulative liar” TRUE

He also said that “He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth” TRUE

FACT 18.

May 29th, despite the possibility of an abductor still being at large, the McCanns embark on a European tour, leaving their twins behind in the very town they claim Madeleine was abducted from. Let's just say your child was abducted after you weren't there to protect them.

Would you really do it again, less than 3 weeks later?

Would you trust anyone other than yourself to look after your two youngest children?

In fact only the day before Kate was telling the press how:

'she could not face sleeping away from the twins. She said: "We've become totally protective parents."' - Daily Mirror 28 May 2007

Of course, yet again, Kate McCann was lying.

FACT 19.

The dogs, possibly the most damning element against the McCanns.

Let's have a look at their findings:

Keela, a 16 month old springer spaniel, was at the top of her field when she went to PDL in 2007, trained by Martin Grime (who now works for the FBI) she could sniff out the most microscopic specks of blood, even if the item had been cleaned or washed. To avoid any confusion Keela was trained to alert to nothing but human blood. So any talk of her alerting to anything else is pure fiction. At the time of the searches Keela earned £530 per day plus expenses, more than the chief constable at that time.


Eddie who was 7 at the time, had worked on over 200 cases worldwide and boasts an outstanding record of success. The FBI rated Eddie and Martin Grime as "two of the best in the law enforcement speciality of canine forensics, able to find evidence everyone else missed." Eddie was trained to alert to smell of human cadaverine (the smell given off from a human corpse) pro McCann's love to put about unfounded rumours that these dogs alert to other smells, nonsense, it was the McCanns who blamed the alerts on items such as dirty nappies, seabass etc.

To give a better idea a dogs nose is 10,000 times more sensitive to smell than our own. They can pick out every ingredient of a smell and separate it, much in the same way you or I could sort out different shaped wooden blocks, if we were handed a box of blocks containing sphere's, cubes, and pyramids, and told to put all the cubes to one side we could do it. A cadaver dogs nose works in the same way, it separates all the elements of one scent, examines each one in it's own right, and determines if human cadaver is present.

So what did the dogs find? Having gone through several other apartments at the Ocean club, and alerting to nothing, both dogs alerted to a number of places in and around the McCann's apartment, and their hire car.

Keela alerted to human blood in:


The living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment.
In the McCanns’ hired Renault Scenic, hired 25 days AFTER Madeleine's disappearance.
On the car key.
In the interior of the car boot.

Eddie alerted to the scent of human cadaverine:

The wardrobe in the McCann's bedroom.
In the living room, behind the sofa, close to the external window of the apartment. (the same place as Keela).
The veranda of 5a.
In the garden of the apartment.
The flower beds in the back of 5a.
The steps leading down from the patio.
Also, a ‘lighter’ scent of death was found in the flower beds in the back yard, near the foot of the steps leading down from the patio.
On two items of Kate's clothing.
On a T shirt belonging to Madeleine.
On cuddlecat (Madeleine's soft toy)
Not only that, but out of several cars in a car park Eddie only alerted to one, the McCanns' hire car.

Couple that with the fact that it was Eddie and Keela's findings led the forensic team to the discovery of DNA that could have belonged to Madeleine. In fact the original forensic conclusions were that it was DEFINITELY Madeleine's, that was later changed to say "It would be very simple to say "yes" simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample." The reason for that change was that John Lowe who compiled the report said he couldn't be certain how the sample came to be in the car. I fail to see what that has to do with the DNA being Madeleine's or not. It either is or it isn't.

Below are three videos showing Eddie and Keela's searches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHJjpXii9o#t=28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTF4JTLeOWA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4Uhoik6qI#t=66


....and here more information on their findings.

FACT 20.

The refusal of a reconstruction.

Crime reconstructions are a vital part of police forces investigations Worldwide, they give a clearer picture of what actually happened. It's all very well having all the pieces of a jigsaw, but without the picture on the lid of the box it can be difficult to put the pieces together, especially when, as was the case with the McCann's and their friends statements, those pieces don't fit.

In 2008 Ricardo Paiva, an Inspector with the PJ, sent an email to Mick Graham, Detective Inspector of the Major Crime Unit. In this email Ricardo requested that the tapas 7 (the group of friends who were on holiday with the McCanns) be contacted with a view to attending a reconstruction. What followed was a series of ridiculous demands by the group of friends, followed by the refusal to take part. Below are the first set of questions, followed by Ricardo Paiva's replies:

1 - Why do the PJ want them to take part in the re-enactment?

2 - What is the aim, what are the PJ trying to achieve with the re-enactment?

3 - Why so close to the anniversary?

4 - Why don't the PJ use actors?

5 - Will the footage of the re-enactment be released to the press/TV etc?

6 - What protection is there for the friends in relation to the media coverage/likely frenzy?"
The responses from Ricardo were more than satisfactory:

1 - Why do the PJ want them to take part in the re-enactment?

The PJ wants them to take part in the re-enactment because they were the ones who experienced the situation. Therefore, they are in the best conditions to reproduce it.

2 - What is the aim, what are the PJ trying to achieve with the re-enactment?

The PJ is trying to find out, with accuracy, the circumstances of the events occurred, using for that purpose the exact place of events and the same persons who took part in it.

3 - Why so close to the anniversary?

Only now has the PJ conditions to carry out these proceedings, and also because it is desirable that the weather conditions are as similar as possible to those at the time of the events.

4 - Why don't the PJ use actors?

The reason is because only the persons involved can clarify, with accuracy and at the same place, their position and movements.

5 - Will the footage of the re-enactment be released to the press/TV etc?

The PJ won't release any pictures/footage to the press.

6 - What protection is there for the friends in relation to the media coverage/like frenzy?

The place will be isolated and press interference will be avoided to its maximum.

The re-enactment will be carried out in one single day, at the exact time the events occurred.

However, the witnesses are requested to stay in Portugal for a couple of days more, in order to allow the production of all the material which shall be analysed, checked and signed by the persons involved."


So having asked 7 questions of the PJ and duly been given the answers you'd expect the tapas 7 to be more than willing to help, you'd be wrong. Their next move was to start haggling with the PJ, putting forward demands that needed satisfying before they would co-operate:

Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner demanded the PJ;

• publicly dispels the damaging and disturbing lies churned out by the Portuguese press regarding alleged changes to statements, re-interviews or alleged lack of co-operation.

• publicly states there are "no suspicions over [us] regarding the commission of any criminal acts." This in no way compromises Judicial Secrecy.

Rachael O'Brien wrote:

Either they believe our version of the events of May 3rd 2007, or they don't. If they do, why the need for a reconstruction?

If they don't believe us, do they want a reconstruction so we can convince them otherwise?

If the purpose of a reconstruction is to convince the Prosecutor to lift Kate and Gerry's arguido status then we would consider taking part in it. If it is to properly focus the investigation on the person seen carrying a child away from the apartment, again, we would consider taking part because that would help to find Madeleine.

That would be the sighting Jane Tanner stands accused of lying about. The sighting she changed her description of several times, the sighting that has now been ruled out of the investigation by Scotland Yard, and indeed the sighting that is still promoted by the Official find Madeleine page.

Are you starting to get an idea of how impossible the PJ's job was?

FACT 21.

Kate and Gerry McCann have never been cleared of being involved in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

Jose de Magalhaes e Menezes was, along with João Melchior Gomes the man responsible for producing a 58-page report - the concluding volume of the case files - which explained the reasons behind the decision to archive the process.

Despite reports on Wikipedia and some pro McCann forums this report did NOT clear the McCann's of any involvement in the loss of Madeleine, in fact by raising doubt over their stories it did quite the opposite, below are some quotes from the report:

“The witnesses’ statements revealed important details which were not entirely understood and coherent”.

“The technique for this is a reconstruction, but despite every effort by the Public Prosecutor’s office and the JP [Policia Judiciara]…this was not possible”.

“The work of these dogs can be appreciated much better on film...the dogs are trained in detecting dead persons".

“The fact that the parents were the last people known to have been with Madeleine, alive and in a known place, particularly with the possibility of a body having been in the apartment and in the vehicle used by the parents…meant they had to be placed under suspicion. The parents had no plausible explanation for these facts. Faced with the evidence produced by the dogs and the laboratories, they had to be named as suspects…”

"The possibility of abduction was exhaustively investigated. No ransom was ever requested, nor were there any sufficiently consistent clues found to support this theory”.

“…the parents were the last people known to have been with Madeleine, alive and in a known place…the possibility of a body having been in the apartment and in the vehicle used by the parents were reasons for suspecting their involvement. As they were called once more to make a statement, having no plausible explanation for these facts and faced with evidence produced by the dogs…they had to be named as suspects…”

So far from being cleared the McCann's it would seem STILL have questions to answer, plausible explanations to give.......remember Kate refusing to answer those 48 questions? Neither Kate or Gerry have been interviewed by the PJ since. The attorney general wasn't the only person to doubt the McCann's:

Moite Flores, former police inspector and now political commentator in Portugal: “The only thing proven was that there was no abduction. I have no doubt that the child died”

Lee Rainbow, Britain’s top criminal profiler: “Madeleine's father was the last one to see her alive. The family is a lead that should be followed. Contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide”.

Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police (2007): “While both or one of [the McCanns] may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance”.

Former top British detective, John Stalker: “My gut instinct is that some big secret is probably being covered up”.

Ricardo Paiva, one of the chief detectives on the original investigation, told a Lisbon court in January 2010: “I share Gonçalo Amaral’s statement in the book. Maddie died, probably in a tragic accident, and all indications point towards the parents hiding the body”.

Director of the Portuguese National Counter-Terrorism Unit, Luís Neves: “Hiding a body and accidental death are possibilities”.

Intercalary report: Chief Inspector Tavares Almeida: "Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann"

And of course the main man, Goncalo Amaral: "Let's remember: it is totally logical to find Madeleine's DNA in the home, but absolutely not in a car rented more than twenty days after her disappearance."

"The McCanns knew that I was going to get them."

If only the political interference hadn't halted the case and those queries and questions had been cleared up.

If only good old fashioned policing had been able to run its course.

If only...................


The official police files can be read at: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:22:AM
Kate McCanns interview took place on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, 04/05/07 at 2.20pm.

On the subject of the proceedings:

The interviewee was heard as a victim, being the mother of the minor. Of British nationality, she has no command of the Portuguese language, spoken or written. Thus, the interview was done in the presence of an interpreter: Natalia C.F. de A. The interviewee says she has been married to Gerald since December 1998. She has never been to Portugal before. The trip came at the suggestion of friends, who convinced them, at the end of last year, to spend their holiday in Portugal. The trip was organised by David Payne, who made the Praia da Luz Ocean Club reservation on the Internet for the interviewee and her husband, as well as for the rest of the group, a total of 9 adults and eight children, including her daughter Madeleine. She has known some members of the group since the year 2000 and others for a year. She was a colleague of David's wife.

They travelled in two separate groups. One of the groups was composed of the interviewee, her husband Gerald, their three children, David and his wife, the mother-in-law and their two children. One of the groups left from Leicestershire and the other from London.

The meeting point was the Ocean Club where the interviewee's group arrived on Saturday April 28th at around 3pm from Faro airport in an airport mini bus. The other group arrived on the same day, late morning.

After checking in, the interviewee and her family were placed in apartment G5A. The nuclear family comprises the interviewee, her husband, her daughter Madeleine and twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 2 years. The apartment has two beds in one bedroom, and two in another where there are also two cots on loan from the Ocean Club.

The interviewee and her husband sleep in one bedroom and the three children in the other. The twins sleep in cots, Madeleine in a normal bed, the other bed staying empty.

Between the day of the arrival, April 28th, and the time that Madeleine's disappearance was discovered, the interviewee says that she noticed nothing unusual. She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She thought her daughter's comment strange because it was the first time she had talked about it.

The routines

The day after their arrival, they went for breakfast at around 7.30/8.30 at the Ocean Club, in a bar situated some distance from the apartment. On the following days, because the bar was quite far away, they started buying supplies from the "BAPTISTE" supermarket, located on the same road as the apartment and they had their first meal of the day in the apartment.

After breakfast, at around 9/9.30am, the children went to the club called the "KIDS CLUB" where they did various activities such as painting, collage etc. They stayed there until around 12.30pm, constantly supervised by several Ocean Club employees in a ratio of three children to one employee. Within the "Kids Club" because of the difference in ages, the twins were in one group and Madeleine in another, with separate activities.

At 12.30pm, the parents would collect their children and have lunch in their apartment since they have provisions. After lunch, at around 1.30pm, the children spend time close to the club's swimming pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they play and have sun cream applied. After this time, they take the children to the "Kids Club" until around 5/5.30pm, the time when the children eat in a bar under the watchful gaze of the parents. After the 5pm dinner, they give the children a bath, prepare them for the night and let them play for a while in a playground next to the tennis courts, still and always under parental supervision. At around 8pm, the children are put to bed until the following morning when the described routines start all over again. While the children are at the "Kids Club," the interviewee played tennis with her husband, went for walks, read or went "Jogging."


Thursday May 3rd 2007

Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 8.30pm, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Faced with this situation, she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband and the others to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, when she went to her apartment to see her children at around 9.15pm, saw from the back [rear] about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person, in what she thinks were jeans, with a child in his arms and walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself.

Comment: (from AnnaEsse.) are a couple of words missing from this last paragraph' Should it read, "Later, Jane.....said she saw..."' Or is there another way I can translate, "Plus tard," in that context'

Concerning Madeleine, she is Caucasian, white, aged four years (12/05/2003) about 90cm tall. Very slim, dark blond hair; shoulder-length. Left eye blue-green same as the right, which has a brown spot. She has a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg as well as sunburn on her right forearm. She has no scars. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas with white bottoms with a floral pattern. The short-sleeved top, mainly pink with a blue-grey figure of a donkey bearing the inscription, "EEYORE," an inscription which is also on one of the trouser legs. The pyjamas are "Marks and Spencer" brand.

Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger. She has no suspicions to talk about, finds no reason for this act, neither she nor her husband has enemies. She states that her daughter has no illnesses and is not on any medication.

Following a request from the inspector, she authorises a reading of the calls on her mobile phone. Apart from the Kids Club and the apartment, they only went once to the beach with Madeleine and the other children and only for a very short period of time, since the weather was changeable. They could only go to the beach between 1.30 and 3pm, the time when they went back to the club. At the beach, they only ate an ice cream then they went back to the apartment. Apart from that, on the Wednesday or Thursday, Madeleine and the other children went sailing at the beach five minutes on foot from the club, for an hour, organised by the resort itself. The supervision and planning were the responsibility of the club. The interviewee and her husband were not present. She never noticed any strange behaviour during these recent days which could explain the disappearance. After having been shown the list of the Ocean Club's guests, she says she only knows the names of those of the group. Other than the child, nothing else has disappeared, neither clothes nor the child's jewellery. (' parures') The interviewee did not have an intercom, unlike David and Fiona Payne who were able to hear crying or any kind of noise. She has nothing else to add. After having read the deed, she confirms it, ratifies it and signs it with the interpreter.

I, Kate Marie Healy...................................hereby declare my authorisation, for the purposes of DNA examination, that a mouth swab be taken from me at the Portimao DIC.

Portimao, 10th May 2007


Signed

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:29:AM
KATE MARIE HEALY ' STATEMENT
(from DVD)

September 6/2007 3pm at Portimao

Of British nationality, cannot speak or write Portuguese, therefore an interpreter is present taken from a list provided by the Consulate, ADSR.

Also present Carlos Pinto de Abreu, attorney.

KMH confirms all of what was stated before the Policy on May 4, 2007, the day following the events under investigation.

When asked about May 1, 2007 (holiday), she says that on that day they left the apartment around 8:30PM, the same time that was repeated every night. This time was marked at the restaurant as the beginning of dinner, except Saturday, arrival day, when they had dinner at the Millenium. On this day, May 1, the children were asleep, as she put them to bed around 7:15/7:30 and was sure they were sleeping.

They arrived at the Tapas around 8:31, taking the direct route, i.e. left by the veranda door, went down to the road and entered the secondary reception of the complex. As they left by the veranda door, this door remained closed but not locked, as this is only possible from the inside. The curtains were closed.

When they arrived at the Tapas, she thinks that nobody from the group was there, but is not sure.

During dinner, every half hour they went to the apartment to check on the children. This was done by KM and Gerry. Does not remember if on this night any of their friends went to the apartment. States that Russell was not present during dinner, so his wife Jane, or somebody took him dinner to the flat. The reason for his absence was that their youngest daughter was sick.

Finished dinner around 11 PM, and together with Gerry, left for the apartment.

She thinks they went to the flat four times: Gerry twice and she twice. Approx. 9, 9:30, 10, and 10:30PM.

When asked about the fact her daughter had been crying on the night of the Tuesday for one hour and 15 minutes, between 10:30 and 11:45, she says it is not true. She says that on that night, after midnight, Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, and sleep with her and Gerry in their room. She says that before Madeleine appeared in their room, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine went to the room almost at the same time she head the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she or Gerry went to the childrens' room, however she states that Amelie cried for a short time.

She says that on that night the twins slept in the room where Madeleine slept, each in their own crib.

Regarding the layout of the apartment, she says that on the first day the moved the furniture: they moved the two cribs out of their room and put them in another, where the children were to sleep; they separated the two twin beds in this room. They also joined the two single beds that were in their room. She presumes that the cribs, when in their room, remained at the foot of the beds.

She also says that when she arrived there weren't two but three cribs in the same place, one was lent to the Payne family.

When shown a diagram of the room (attached), she said the cribs were located at point A, chair B at point C, and the cribs in Madeleine's room were placed horizontally.

Regarding cleaning, this was provided by the complex on Mondays and Wednesdays. This was never modified, and it is not true that a crib was in her room or in a room other than Madeleine's.

She also says that after the day they arrived, April 28, this was the layout of the furniture and this was not altered during the forthcoming days.

When asked if she ever slept in Madeleine's room, she says that this happened on the Wednesday, because she was annoyed with Gerry. He ignored her after dinner when they went to the Tapas bar, which only happened that day. She decided to retaliate by sleeping in the other room, in the bed next to the window. She doesn't know if Gerry realized this because he was sleeping when she left, and if in fact her husband was aware of this, he made no comment.

Regarding this night she says that none of the children cried, she would have noticed as she was in the room. Regarding the fact that Madeleine on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment. When she asked Madeleine about this however, the child gave no importance to the matter. On this night they also checked on the children every half hour; however she thinks that 45 minutes had gone by from the time of the last check to when they arrived, as exceptionally they went to the Tapas bar. On this day she thinks that Gerry arrived at the apartment around 23:50 and she arrived 5 minutes afterwards. She went to sleep in Madeleine's room 15/20 minutes afterwards. Before this she spent a few minutes in her bed next to Gerry's.

From reading her previous statement, mainly lines 34-40 it can be understood that on the Wednesday night she slept in the couple's bedroom, but that did not happen since she slept in Madeleine's room.

When asked if Madeleine slept in their room, she says yes, as mentioned, on the Tuesday night.

When asked about the schedule of her children she says that in England Madeleine slept in a room by herself and the twins slept in another room. At home the twins go to bed between 7 and 7.30 PM, Madeleine half an hour later. During the holidays, the three children went to bed at 7:30PM. She says that during the holidays it is relatively easy to put the three children to sleep when they had not slept during the day and were tired after the day's activities. When on holiday the twins and Madeleine went to sleep at the same time. They never went out to eat unless the three were actually asleep. Normally when they left the apartment the three children had been asleep close to 1 hour. With the exception of what has been described above, during the holidays, she does not remember if any of the children was awake during the night. However, in England Madeleine sometimes woke up during the night, around 2 ' 2:30 AM and went to her parents. During holidays it was normal for the children to be awake by 7:30/8:00, in England, at home, they would normally wake between 7 and 7:30 AM.

Regarding a British custom of having a behaviour chart for the children, she says that she has several notes about Madeleine because with some regularity she gets up during the night. This situation was reported from April 2006 up to her birthday that same year, when she stopped having this problem. These notes correspond to the stars given on the nights Madeleine did not get up and go to her parents' room. When she had 20 stars she got a present and if she woke up at night and did not stay in her bed, she did not get a star.

During these holidays Madeleine usually slept clutching a soft toy, a pink cat, and sometimes wrapped in a pink blanket. Sometimes she slept on top of the bedcover and at other times was covered with it. When shown a photo of Madeleine's room and bed, she recognizes the soft toy and the blanket of the same colour.

The interview was stopped at 5PM for a rest period, to be recommenced at 5:15 PM.

On May 3 they all woke between 7;30 and 8:00 AM; doesn't know who woke first. They washed the children and had breakfast at the apartment between 08:00 and 08:30 AM. Food bought by her and Gerry at Baptista supermarket. Previously they'd had breakfast at the Millenium, but as it was so far they'd decided to have breakfast at the apartment. During breakfast the 'crying episode', already described, took place. She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine's pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry.

After breakfast they got dressed and left the apartment by the main door. All children went walking. The veranda door was closed and locked; she doesn't know whether the main door was locked or unlocked.

After leaving the apartment they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas; at the same time she supposes that Gerry took Madeleine to the creche next to the 24-hour reception area.

Once the children had been delivered, they went to the tennis courts for a scheduled tennis lesson. Kate's group lesson was at 9:15, Gerry's an hour later. She doesn't know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment. When her lesson ended at 10:15, she went to the recreation area next to the swimming pool to talk to Russell until Gerry's lesson was over. Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine's creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. She signed the register and went to the twins' creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him. Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes. After finishing lunch they stayed for a while at the apartment, then they went to the recreation area next to the pool, as the children were somewhat restless, maybe tired or bored. They remained at this area an hour, maybe more, then they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other creche. They went via a path in front of the small reception and then through gardens and stairs, taking a short cut. This route was the one mentioned by Gerry.

After leaving Madeleine around 2:50 PM, they both had, this one time, an individual tennis lesson just for the two of them, and as the court was empty, they began hitting some b*lls until it was time for their lesson.

She doesn't remember if they were wearing appropriate clothes or if they went to the apartment to change.

The lesson ended an hour afterwards, close to 4:30PM. Gerry continued playing tennis with a guest called Jxxxxn who belonged to his tennis group, while she went for a jog along the beach, for around half an hour. She saw the others of the group, children and grownups; she was disappointed as nobody had told her they were going to the beach and Madeleine would have loved to have gone with them. She cannot confirm whether she went to the apartment between the tennis game and the jog.

When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn't, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered by the same door.

After the children's bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.

While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6:30/6:40PM and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the veranda door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who it was. This door was closed but not locked as Gerry had left by this door. She confirmed it was David Payne, because he called out and had opened the door slightly. David's visit was to help her to take the children to the recreation area. When David returned from the beach he was with Gerry at the tennis courts, and it was Gerry who asked him to help Kate with taking the children to the recreation area, which had been arranged but did not take place. David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn't actually enter the flat, he remained at the veranda door. According to her he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6:30-6:40PM.

After David left, Kate dressed and sat with the children, Madeleine on her lap. She was wearing a top, she doesn't remember what colour it was, a green long-sleeved t-shirt, blue denim pants. Trainers (tennis shoes) and white socks.

She read a story to the children in the living room, on the sofa in front of the door to the veranda, identified on the diagram with the letter D. At 7:00 PM Gerry arrived and entered via the veranda door. He sat on the sofa identified with letter E. Doesn't know if the story was finished, but thinks she was sitting on the sofa.

She doesn't remember having changed the layout of the furniture in the living room, the sofas, the table or others. She says that the sofa (letter E) supposedly was against the side window, because she doesn't remember anyone having gone behind it. She does not know if this window was open or closed, she does not remember it ever being open, or of it being watched.

After Gerry arrived the children went to wash their teeth and she then read them another story, this time all four of them sitting on Madeleine's bed. She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed. During the story Madeleine was lying on the pillow, alert and paying attention to the story. After both twins kissed Madeleine, she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each (Kate and Gerry) placed a twin in its crib at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed next to the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold. She normally clutched the soft toy and if she wasn't holding it then it was next to her, on the left. She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, to cover her. The twins were laid down on their backs, covered with open weave blankets. She says that she doesn't know if the children were in the same positions when they left the apartment.

It was around 7:15PM when they put the children to bed and checked they were sleeping, she says she is sure of this.

As the children were asleep, she dried her hair and put on make up. Gerry maybe had a shower and they sat on one of the sofas in the living room, she doesn't know which. She had a glass of wine, poured by Gerry, and he had wine or beer. The wine was from New Zealand, white.

Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and trainers (tennis shoes). She doesn't remember what else he was wearing.

They talked while they drank. Around 8:30-8:35 they left for the Tapas restaurant. Before leaving they checked on the children, she doesn't know who; however Gerry says it was him. She only knows the children were quiet. She doesn't know if they were in their same positions. She says she is sure that they were asleep, because Gerry told her all was quiet.

They left by the veranda door, which they left closed but not locked. Main door was closed but not locked. She thinks it could be opened from the inside but not from the outside. She thinks she was wearing a cream coloured polar fleece with a zip, and on top a blue raincoat also with a zip. As regards Gerry, she doesn't know if he was wearing other items of clothing.

With respect to the objects she says they took with them: their mobile phones. Gerry might have taken a wallet with money. Not sure if they took a camera.

Regarding the apartment: windows were closed but she doesn't know if they were locked. Veranda window closed but not locked, curtains closed. The second window in the living room was probably closed, she did not touch it and does not know if the blinds were closed. The kitchen window was probably closed but with the blinds open as there was light in the kitchen.

The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, blinds and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window blinds in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open.

The window in Kate's room was closed and she admits they used the blinds, because Gerry broke them and they were repaired on the Monday; the incident occurred on Sunday.

Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.

The interview was stopped at around 8PM for a rest period and food; it was recommenced at 10:00PM.

K says that on the 3rd they left the apartment leaving the children sleeping. Knowing that Madeleine sometimes woke and got up, she did not worry about leaving her alone, because when this happened, and it wasn't always, it was around 2 ' 3 AM at which time they would be back in the apartment.

They left the apartment between 8:30-8:35PM, and headed straight for the Tapas where they arrived 1 minute later maximum. None of the group were at the Tapas because they were usually the first to arrive, but she isn't sure this was the case every night. There was a couple there who they knew, S and C xxxx who belonged to Gerry's tennis group. They talked with them for a few moments before sitting down. Meanwhile, while they talked to S and C the rest of their group arrived and sat down at a round table, where they sat every day. Order of arrival: Kate and Gerry, Jane alone, Mathew and Rachel, Russell, and then she thinks David, Fiona and Diane. She makes a sketch of the table and says that both she and Gerry were not facing the apartments. Sketch attached.

Dinner began around 9PM, and she thinks the nine adults were at the table. She ate steak and maybe sardines. Drank white wine and water.

She doesn't know if anyone took photographs that night, however she thinks that Rachel took photos on one of the nights. Fiona also took some photos but she thinks it was probably another night. She doesn't know whether Fiona had a camera with her that night. She remembers hearing a comment that night about a camera being forgotten, but she doesn't know who said this or who the camera belonged to.

Gerry was the first one to check on the children, this was decided on the spot, close to 9-9:05PM. He got up from the table and entered the apartment through the veranda door. He came back to the table after 10 minutes; he implied that the children were asleep. He'd met a tennis friend by the name of Jez, with whom he had a chat. During this check, she thinks that Gerry did not check on the children of any other couple, because it was usual just to check on their own children. The deponent never checked on any other child, other than her own.

At 9:30PM she got up to go and check on her children at the same time as Mathew, who said he was going to check on his daughter Grace in apartment 5B and could check on her children. She hesitated, however he said not to worry he was going anyway.

After less than 10 minutes Mathew returned to the Tapas, saying all was quiet. At that moment she did not ask him if he went inside the apartment, however she assumed he had checked on her children, entering by the veranda door which was closed but not locked.

Aside from Matt, she does not remember if anyone else got up from the table.

At 10PM she got up from the table, as it was her turn after having been replaced by Matt. She entered the apartment by the veranda door which was closed, but as already said, not locked.

At this moment, and because it was so late, 11 PM, the interview was interrupted and will be continued tomorrow morning.

She says nothing further. Reads the statement, finds it OK and signs it together with the Interpreter and Attorney.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:31:AM
Portimao Criminal Investigation Department

Being Held as a Defendant

(Procedural rights and duties set forth in section 61 of the Code of Criminal Procedure and Act n? 34/2004 of July 29, 2004)

Defendant: Kate Marie Healy (identified on page 58)

Date he (sic) was held a defendant: 07-09-2007

Defence counsel: Dr Carlos Pinto de Abreu, CP 9786L

Procedural rights:

- To attend those acts in the proceedings directly concerning him.

- To be heard by the court or the investigative judge whenever they must take a decision affecting him personally.

- Not to answer the questions asked by any entity about the facts he is charged with and about the contents of his statement concerning them,

- To chose a defence counsel or ask the court to assign him one

- To have a defence counsel acting on his behalf in every act of the proceedings he participates in and to communicate with him, even in private, when remanded in custody.

- To intervene in the inquiry, giving evidence and requesting the investigation as he deems necessary

- To be informed of his rights by the judicial or prosecuting authority or by the criminal police body before which he is compelled to appear

- To appeal from unfavourable decisions taken against him, as provided by the law.
To request legal aid at the social security customer services.

Procedural duties:

- Appear before the judge, Public Prosecution Service or the criminal police bodies whenever required by the law and having been duly summoned for that purpose,

- To tell the truth regarding the questions asked by a competent authority about his identity and, whenever required by the law, about his criminal record,
- To provide a statement of identity and residence immediately after being held as a defendant,

- To submit himself to investigations for the gathering of evidence and, as provided by law, to coercive measures and a guarantee in property, ordered and performed by a competent authority.

Warning: Section 39 of Act 34/2004 of 29 July 2004

- The defendant was informed that when neither choosing a defence counsel, nor requesting legal aid, or in case legal aid is not granted, he may be liable for the payment of the defence counsels fees, as well as for the expenses he incurred with his defence.

Having received he signs with me

Signed

The defendant
The officer
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:36:AM
Kate Marie Healy's statement 07 Sep 07 @ 11am

Processo vol10 pages 2557-2561

AUTO FOR questioning an ARGUIDO [Defendant]
Date: 2007/09/07 Time: 11:00 AM Place: DIC PORTIMAO.
Officer performing: Paulo Ferreira, Joao Carlos and Ricardo Paiva, Inspectors.

Name: KATE MARIE HEALY

Asked if she wished to respond on the facts that are imputed, she responded:

--- That being of British nationality she does not know Portuguese, in its oral and written form, therefore an interpreter is present selected by the defendant from the list provided by the Consulate, Armanda Duarte Salbany Russell, contactable by telephone 282,48#####.

--- In this action there is also present the representative of the defendant Dr. Carlos Pinto de Abreu, the CP 9786L

--- She comes to the file now as a defendant, it being explained to her the rights and duties that assist her, along with her being subject to the TIR.

--- It is put to her the facts about her, she said she does not wish to make statements.

01--- Asked, on May 03, 2007, at 22:00, when she entered the apartment what she saw and did, where he looked, and what she touched [handled], she did not respond.

02 --- If she looked inside the cupboard of the couple's bedroom, she said No in response.

03 --- Shown two photographs of the cupboard of her bedroom, and asked for a description of the contents, she did not respond.

04 --- Asked for what reason the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window, the photograph of which was shown to her, is moved [disordered], she did not respond. She did not respond to the question if someone [anyone] had passed [had gone; had walked] behind that sofa.
 
[NOTE: ?Passed? here is a physical movement, not metaphysical as in 'died']

05 --- Asked how much time it took for the search that she made in the apartment after the detection of the disappearance of her daughter MADELEINE, she did not respond.

06 --- Asked why she said from the outset that MADELEINE was kidnapped [abducted], she did not respond.

07 --- On the assumption that Madeleine had been kidnapped [abducted], why she left the twins alone at home to go to the Tapas to give [raise] the alarm, yet [while] the supposed kidnapper [abductor] could still be in the apartment, she did not respond.

08 ---Why she had not asked the twins at that time what had happened to their sister, or why she had not asked them later, she did not respond.

09 --- Questioned when she gave the alarm in the Tapas what she said specifically, what words she used, she did not respond.

10 --- Asked about what happened after giving the alarm at Tapas, she did not respond. Asked [word missing; presumed to be ?se?] if she had any mobile phone, with her at that moment, she did not respond.

11 --- Asked why she went to warn [inform] her friends instead of shouting from the balcony, she did not respond.

12 --- Asked who contacted the authorities, she did not respond.

13 --- Asked who participated in the [words missing; presumed to be ?buscas. NAo?] searches, she did not respond.

14 --- Asked if anyone outside the group knew, in the following moments [at the time], of the disappearance of MADELEINE, she did not respond.

15 --- Asked if any female neighbour offered her assistance after the alarm of the disappearance, she did not respond.

16 --- Asked what the expression "we let her down" means, she did not respond.

17 --- Asked if JANE told her about having seen a man with a child, on that night, she did not respond.

18 --- Asked how the authorities were contacted and that police force was alerted, she did not respond.

19 --- Asked, during the searches already with the police presence [after the police arrived], in what places she went [and] looked for MADELEINE, how and in what way [manner], she did not respond.

20 --- Asked why the twins did not [word missing; presumed to be ?acordavam?] wake up during this search, or when they went to the floor above, she did not respond.

21 --- Asked whom she telephoned after the facts [events], she did not respond.

22 ---Asked if she called "Sky News" she did not respond.

23 --- Asked about the danger of calling the news media alerting them of the abduction, because it could influence the kidnapper [abductor], she did not respond.

24 --- Asked if they requested the presence of a priest, she did not respond.

25 --- Asked what was the manner of divulging the face of MADELEINE, if photographs or other, she did not respond.

26 --- Asked if it is true that during the search she sat on her bed in her bedroom without moving, she did not respond.

27 --- Asked what was her behaviour during that night, she did not respond.

28 --- And asked if she had managed [been able to] to sleep, she did not respond.

29 --- Asked if before the trip to Portugal she made a comment of [about] a bad feeling [presentiment] or bad omens, she did not respond.

30 --- Asked about the behaviour of MADELEINE she did not respond.

31 --- Asked if she suffered from any infirmity [illness] or took medication, she did not respond.

32 --- Asked what was MADELEINE's relationship with the siblings.

33 --- Asked what was MADELEINE's relationship with the siblings, friends and school colleagues, she did not respond.

34 ---- Asked about her professional life, and in how many hospitals and in which she had worked, she did not respond.

35 --- Being a doctor, and asked about her speciality, she did not respond.

36 --- Asked about if she worked in shifts, in emergencies [the emergency section of a hospital] or other services she did not respond.

37 --- If she worked every day, she did not respond.

38 --- Asked if at a particular time she stopped working and why, she did not respond.

39 --- Asked whether or not it is true that the twins have difficulty sleeping, that they are restless and that that causes her uneasiness, she did not respond.

40 --- Asked whether or not it is true that at certain times she felt desperate [driven to despair; angered; exasperated] by the attitude of the children and that that left her much disquiet [unease], she did not respond.

41 --- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.

42 --- Asked if at home (England) she gave medication to the children and what kind of medication, she did not respond.

43 --- In this 'auto' [official document recording an official action] there were shown several films of canine inspections, forensic in character, where can be seen the marking by them of indications of human cadaver smell and blood traces also human, and solely human, as well as the comments of the expert responsible for that inspection activity.

 --- The viewing ended and after signs of cadaver odour in her bedroom next to the cupboard and behind the sofa against the window of the living room, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

44 --- Also signalled, now by the dog of the detection of human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

45 --- Signalled the cadaver odour in the car that they rented about one month after the disappearance, registration 59-DA-27, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

46 --- Signalled the presence of human blood in the trunk of the same vehicle, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

47 --- Confronted with the result of the collection of DNA from MADELEINE, which analysis was carried out by a British laboratory, from behind the sofa and trunk of the vehicle, situations previously described, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

48 --- Asked if she had any responsibility or involvement in the disappearance of her daughter MADELEINE, she did not respond.

------------------------------

49 --- Asked if she is aware that her failure to respond to the questions put in the cause of the investigation, which seeks to know what happened to her daughter, she replied that

yes, if the investigation so thinks.

--- Asked if she has anything to add,

she responded negatively.

--- The floor being given to the distinguished advocate, he said he had nothing to say [discuss] or to request.

--- At 14H30 this interview was ended.

And nothing more said, this document is read thought to be correct, she ratifies and is going to sign, together with the defence attorney and interpreter.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:41:AM
Witness Statement

Gerald Patrick McCann

Date: 2007/05/04

Time 11.15

He comes to the process as a participant and offended party, as the girl's father. Being of British nationality he does not speak Portuguese and is assisted by the interpreter Natalia de Almeida.

When asked he says that he had been in Portugal previously in 1994, staying in an apartment near to Albufeira. This is the first time he has returned to Portugal.

His desire to know Portugal in 1994 was due to the fact of playing golf, as our country is known for the excellent conditions for practising this sport. On this occasion, the trip was proposed by one of his friends who accompanied him, David Payne, who upon searching in Internet, made a reservation at the OC, P da L, Lagos, for the witness, his wife and the rest of the group, a total of nine adults and 8 children, including his daughter Madeleine, this group consists of people he has known for 5 or 6 years.

In this way they travelled in two separate groups, one of the groups being the witness, his wife Kate and three children and other group consisting of David with his wife, mother in law and two children. The witness left from the local airport (Leicestershire) and the other group left from London and consisted of four adults and three children.

The meeting point was in Portugal, at the OC, where his group arrived at about 14.30 on 28th April 2007, arriving from Faro airport in a small minibus provided by the airport services. The other group also arrived on the same day at about 13.00, also by means of a minibus.

After checking in, the witness and his family were accommodated in apartment G5 A, the family nucleus consisting of the witness, his wife Kate, his daughter Madeleine and a couple of twins aged two, Sean and Amelie. The apartment consisted of two beds in one bedroom, another two beds in another bedroom and two cots provided by the resort, as well as a WC and kitchen.

The witness and his wife slept in one of the bedrooms and the three children in the other, the twins in the cots and Madeleine in a bed, leaving the remaining bed empty.

Between the 28th April, the day they arrived and the time the disappearance was discovered, he says that nothing unusual happened, only referring to an episode on the morning of the 3rd May, when Madeleine asked the witness the reason why they had not gone to her room when the twins were crying. As he did not hear anything, the witness did not go to the bedroom, however he finds his daughter's comment to be strange, maybe because it was the first time that she had made it.

As regards routines, he says that on Sunday they had breakfast between 07.30 and 08.30 at the OC Bar at a few metres distance from the apartment. During the following days, because of the fact that the bar was quite far away, they began to buy food at a supermarket situated in the same street as the apartment, he cannot remember the name of the supermarket and they would have breakfast in the apartment. After breakfast the children would stay in the resort crèche, called the Kid Club, doing various activities such as painting and collage, etc, until about 12.30, they were always supervised by various members of staff, in a ratio of one member of staff to every three children. At this time - 12.30 - the parents would collect the children and have lunch in the apartment, which had a kitchen. When lunch was finished, at about 13.30, the children would stay at the Club pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they would relax and put on sun screen, etc. Afterwards, they would take the children back to the Kid Club until about 17.00, when the children would have dinner at the bar, under the attentive eye of their parents. After dinner at 17.00, they would bath the children and get them ready for the night and play with them for a few moments in the recreation area near the tennis courts, always supervised by the parents. At about 19.30 - 20.00 the children were put to bed until the following morning when the routine described would begin.

Whilst the children were at the Kids Club, the witness would play tennis with his wife, go for walks, read and go jogging.

Yesterday, after their daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to their bedroom "and were placed in their respective beds and he stresses they were placed together [i.e. in the same bedroom], at about 19.30."

The witness and his wife, between this time and 20.30 stayed in the apartment relaxing and drinking a glass of wine. After 20.30, the witness and his wife, after looking at the children, went to the Tapas Bar, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour and as the restaurant was near, the witness or his wife, would check whether the children were all right. In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left, and bumped into a person he had played tennis with and who had a child's push chair, he was also British, he had a short conversation with him, "returning after that to the restaurant." At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building. He entered the bedroom, he observed the twins and he did not even notice whether Madeleine was there"

[Notes on the three crucial words in this last sentence: "nem sequer reparou"

- "nem sequer" means "not even";

- Verb "reparar" (in this context):  to notice, to observe, to see, to take notice of, to pay attention to, to mind, to look out] as everything was calm, the shutters were closed and the door to the bedroom was ajar as usual. "After that Matt returned to the restaurant."

At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children. She entered the apartment by the door using the key and saw immediately that the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open.
The side door leading to the living room was closed, which as previously stated, was never left locked. Faced with this troubling situation, Kate checked that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. After checking the apartment thoroughly, his wife, quite shocked and upset, went to the restaurant, alerting the witness and the others about the disappearance. Immediately the group rapidly went to the club, "searched all the accommodations/lodgings,  swimming pool, tennis courts, etc. and the apartment, with the help of staff "at the same time that they contacted the authorities who would come to put in an appearance."

It is emphasised that one of the members of the group, Jane, at about 21.10 - 21.15 when she was going to her apartment to check on her children, she saw from the back, at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road bordering the club, an individual

[Notes on the three crucial words in this last sentence: "visualizou pela rectaguarda"

- Verb "visualizar": to visualise (also used in the sense of 'to see')

- "pela" is the contraction or "por" + "a": 'by + the' or 'from + the'

- "rectguarda" (more correctly spelled as "retaguarda"): rear, back, tail, end; (military: rearguard);]  carrying a child, wearing pyjamas, Jane will be able to clarify this situation.
With regard to Madeleine, he describes her as being of Caucasian race, with quite white skin, four years old
(12-05-2003), almost 90 cm in height. She has a slim build dark blond hair which is straight and shoulder length. Her left eye is blue and green and her right eye is green with a brown mark in the pupil. She has a small brown birthmark ,on the knee of her left leg
he does not remember any others. She did not have any scars. At the time of her disappearance she was wearing pyjamas, the trousers were white with a floral pattern, and the short-sleeved top was predominantly pink and there was a blue and grey figure of a donkey on the front, with the inscription "Eeyore".

As regards personality, the child was extrovert, very active, talkative, alert with an easy relationship with other children. He also says that she would never go with a stranger.

He has no suspects to point out, he cannot find any motive for such an act, as neither he nor his wife has any enemies.

He adds that his daughter is not suffering from any illness or take any medication.

When asked, he says that he authorises a reading of the recorded data of his mobile phone no. 00***7869***88.

Apart from the Kid Club and the apartment they only went to the beach with Madeleine and the other children once and for a short time as the weather conditions were unstable. At the beach they just ate an ice cream and then returned to the apartment. In addition to what he has described, on the Wednesday or Thursday, Madeleine and the other children went sailing along the beach, five minutes on foot away from the Club for an hour, organised by the resort, an activity that has an available chart. The supervision and organisation of this activity is the responsibility of the Club, which is why neither the witness nor his wife were present.

He never saw any strange behaviour during these. days nor anything that had led him to such a conclusion."

When he was shown a list of the Club's guests he says he only recognises the names of the members of the group.

He never detected that any object had disappeared.

He has no other elements to bring to the process, desiring the appropriate criminal procedure and (the person) caught for the act he was a victim of.

No more is said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

(Note: several mentions are made to "club" in the text, in some cases I understand them to mean "apartment" but have left them as described in PT text).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:43:AM
FRIDAY, MAY 4: No sleep, Gerry and I started looking through the streets around 06.00 as it was starting to get light. Nobody around. Why not? Desperate.
 
Minutes seem like hours. Outside of the apartments masses of people asking questions about that night and for descriptions of Madeleine. Long day.
 
(Then Kate, Gerrry and their seven friends were taken to the Policia Judiciaria, or PJ, headquarters in nearby Portimao to give statements.)
 
Nobody from the police introduced themselves. Nobody offered us a drink or food. All the police dressed informally and smoking. No sympathy was shown and far from inspiring.
 
I believe my statement would have been around 15.00 and such. They allowed G (Gerry) to come in with me but seated behind me. Translator present.
 
The police officer who took us by car to the station was the one asking the questions and afterwards typed the answers on a typewriter. Morose.
 
We left the police station around 7.30pm to 8pm. After 15 minutes we received a call from the PJ saying we had to go back but they didn't tell us why. We turned around and flew back at around 200 kilometres an hour. Once again frightening. Did they find her? Please God. Is she dead? Prayers. We arrived—they showed us a photo of a girl they'd forgotten to show us from the close circuit TV footage. Not M. Devastating.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:49:AM
Sequence of Events: Thursday 3rd May 2007 - 2030 to 2200
 
As recalled by:
 
Gerry McCann - 5A
Kate McCann - 5A
David Payne - 5H (First floor)
Fiona Payne - 5H (First floor)
Dianne Webster - 5H (First floor)
Jane Tanner - 5D
Russell O'Brien - 5D
Matthew Oldfield - 5B
Rachael Oldfield - 5B
 
Times shown are approximate, but accurate to the best of our knowledge.
 
Prior to 2030, all couples and children were in their apartments preparing for bedtime.

- 5A (Madeleine, Amelie and Sean McCann)
- 5B (Grace Oldfield)
- 5D (Ella and Evie O'Brien) and
- 5H (Lily and Scarlett Payne)

2030: Standard booking for meal at Tapas restaurant for group – same all week (Sun–Thur)

2035: Gerry McCann (GM) and Kate McCann (KC) arrive at table at Tapas Restaurant.

2040: Jane Tanner (JT) arrives, followed shortly by Matthew Oldfield (MO) and Rachael Mampilly Oldfield (RMO).

2045: Russell O'Brien (RJO) arrives at table.

2055: MO returns to apartments to check on ground floor flats, passing David Payne (DP) and Fiona Payne (FP) and her mother Dianne Webster (DW) on their way down to the table.

2057: MO listens outside all ground floor flats’ windows on the car park side of the apartment (5A, 5B and 5D) to make sure they were asleep. At this time, all the shutters were down on each window.

2100: MO return to the table. Starters were ordered.
 
2105: GM returns to his flat (5A) and enters via the patio gate entrance. This and a child gate at the top of the stairs were closed at the time. He enters the flat via the patio door which is closed but unlocked.

The door is slightly ajar (about 45 degrees) which is unusual. All the 3 children were present and asleep. GM believes the shutter was down. The room in which the children are asleep is completely dark. On leaving the room, GM shuts the door to approximately 5 degrees. He then goes to the toilet to urinate.

2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.

As JT continued up the hill towards the junction with Rua A. da Silva, she sees a man carrying a child in his arms crossing left to right from the apartment side continuing east along Rua A. da Silva in the direction of the "Millennium restaurant." He was on the same side of the road as JT 5-10 metres ahead of her.

Description of Man:

- Age 35 to 40.
- 1.7m tall approximately with a slim build.
- Good head of dark glossy hair with possible flick of hair to the right. The hair was longer at the back (i.e. not clippered or shaven).

- The central and the left side of the face were not seen
- Full length trousers, casual, the material hanging without creases. The colour was possibly a browny mustard. They were not jeans.

- Long sleeved jacket, fastened at the front, possibly by a zipper. It had a gathered lower hem and was also possibly brownish in colour.

- Shoes may have been a semi-formal brogue.
- Whether he was wearing gloves or not could not be ascertained.
- He was not wearing a rucksack or any other identifiable objects.

- He was only carrying a child, with the head against the left upper chest away from JT and the feet to the right – i.e. cradling the child like a baby.

- He appeared to be walking in a rush to get somewhere.
- He was not someone JT recognised from the week.

- He was not dressed typically for a "tourist," or at least his clothing did not seem to be of UK origin and may have been purchased in Portugal.

Description of Child:

- The child appeared to be a Caucasian girl about the ages of 3-4.
- She was seen to lie motionless/limp in the man's arms consistent with her sleeping or possibly drugged.

- She did not seem to be wrapped up well for the time of night wearing only pyjamas; the trousers were light coloured with a floral element, possibly with turn-ups. The top was not well seen though there was thought to be another colour involved possibly pink.

- She was not wearing shoes.

JT checked only 5D entering via the deadlocked door on the car park side of the apartment. Both children inside were asleep. She did not check 5A or 5B.

2120: JT then returns to the restaurant, by which time GM has also returned. The entire party then begins eating their starters which have arrived.

2125: After starters, MO and RJO go back to the apartments via the car park entrance to check all flats. They go first to 5D where RJO's daughter Evie is heard crying. RJO enters flat, whilst MO checks inside 5B, and then returns to 5D.

2130: RJO remains in 5D as daughter has vomited. MO goes to check on 5A via the patio gate entrance. The outside gate is probably shut, but the child gate on the stairs up to the patio is possibly open. The patio door is closed but unlocked. MO enters flat, hears a sound in the children's bedroom that is probably one of the twins rolling over in their cot. He does not enter the bedroom but can see through a now quite open door (greater than 45 degrees) into the room. He sees the two twins in their cot, but does not check Madeleine formally as no sounds and twins asleep. He recalls the room did seem lighter than expected, perhaps suggesting the shutter had been raised or the curtains opened?

2135: MO returns to restaurant table, by which time main courses are arriving or being eaten. MO tells JT that Evie unwell.

2140: JT returns to 5D to take over care of Evie from RJO.
 
2145: RJO returns to table to eat main course leaving JT in 5D.
 
2155: RMO asked time at table. RJO's main course arrives.

22.00: (approx): KM leaves table to check children in 5A. The patio gate is closed and the child gate is also probably closed. She enters through the closed patio entrance, with the curtains closed. She crosses the living area, and there is no noise from the children's bedroom. She is about to leave, when she notices the bedroom door was open (approximately 60 degrees). She starts to close it and it slams. Considering the patio doors had caused a draft, she checks these doors but they are closed. KM returns to the bedroom and opens the door to check the children were not disturbed by the noise.
At this point, she notices that Madeleine is missing. She checks the other single bed in the room and also Kate and Gerry's beds. Then she double checks that Madeleine was not in her bedroom again. At this point she notices the curtains blowing forward with a gust of wind. She runs over, pulls open the curtains and notices the shutter was completely raised, and the windows pushed open to the left as far as possible.
She then completes a check of the bathroom, kitchen and wardrobes.On failing to find Madeleine, she runs  to the entrance of the restaurant, shouting from the path leading to the restaurant area raising the alarm that Madeleine was missing..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 04:58:AM
Gerald McCann 10 May 2007

He is part of this case in the form of a participant and an offended party, as the father of the minor MADELEINE. Being a British national who does not know the Portuguese language, oral or written, the interpreter Alice Dias Homem de Gouveia Avakoff is therefore present.

----- That he confirms the truth of the statements made previously on 4 May 2007 he being available here to provide any further clarifications.

----- Asked, he clarifies that, with regard to the personal photos already delivered by him to the authorities after the disappearance of his daughter MADELEINE, he has no others in his power [possession]. He adds that it is his wife KATE who usually takes pictures, he does not recall if on this holiday any were taken at night.

------ As he was asked he relates that, in January 2003 he went to Lanzarote in Spain with Fp and DP where they spent a week's holiday not having any children at that time, although KATE was 6 months pregnant with MADELEINE, through IVF. Still in 2003, September, he went to Umbria, Italy, with KATE, MATHEW and RACHEL, and RUSSELL and JANE for a week's holiday where they attended FIONA and DAVID's wedding. The deponent clarifies that the trip to Lanzarote was organised by himself as he had been there the previous year with KATE and they had enjoyed it very much, whereas the trip to Italy was arranged by FIONA and DAVID given that it was for their wedding.

----- Relating to the events in Portugal, as already stated in his previous statements, he arrived at Faro airport on 28 April 2007 at 12h30 having travelled immediately to OCEAN CLUB in an airport mini-bus where he arrived at 14h20/14h30.

----- That he was taken to the OCEAN CLUB reception where, doing the check-in, he furnished his documents, those of KATE and of his three children. He was then given the key to apartment A5, the choice of that apartment having been made at random by OCEAN CLUB management, given that, as he understood it, not even DP had been given a choice although he had dealt directly with the reservations.

----- He adds that the only stipulation by the group was that the apartments had to be close to one another because, contrary to the tour brochure, the resort did not provide a "baby listening" service, that is, a service in which a group of employees would ?listen? to hear if children were asleep in their apartments while the parents were away. He doesn't know exactly how it works in practice, he never having used it, but he knows that other MARK WARNER resorts use this form of checking, some of his group members having had access to it on previous holidays, though he does not know exactly who. He relates that, for this reason DP decided to use the listening devices (personal intercoms) to monitor his children, though he had not used them on other holidays that they had spent together.

----- That, on the first day, given that they arrived at lunch time, they ate [had eaten] only sandwiches both on the plane and in the bus during the journey from the airport to the OCEAN CLUB. After completing the check-in at the main reception, where they were taken by the mini-bus, that lasted until 15h00, they went to the apartment where they unpacked their bags, that taking until 16h45. Pointing out that after check-in they went with their bags to the apartment by resort mini-bus.

----- Subsequently, at 17h00, the whole group, including children, went to the TAPAS situated at the back of the apartments, next to the pool, to attend a welcoming committee arranged by MARK WARNER where they met with instructors in tennis and sailing and other resort employees, which ended at 18h30, glasses of sangria having been served to them.

----- That that was the first time they walked altogether along the route inside and around the resort. They left by the front door, which he locked with the key, he followed the wall around and turned right, going down the side road to the resort up to the secondary reception where the entered without difficulty as they had an access card that they did not ask for but they had been given during the Check-in.

----- After they passed through the secondary reception they went to the TAPAS restaurant, next to one of the swimming pools, the adults being seated in a covered area outside while the children stayed next to the small pool playing on the [playground] apparatus that was there. That during this time all the adults stood and went to watch the children near where they were. The deponent and his wife alternated in that vigil.

----- The reception committee over, the nine adults and eight children went on foot to the MILLENIUM restaurant. They went back to the secondary reception, turned left and, at the end of the road, turned right up to the main street that led to the restaurant. Because it was a long way, at some time the deponent and his wife picked up and carried the twins in their arms, but not MADELEINE who was always on foot.

----- They arrived at the destination between 18h50 and 19h00 having set themselves up at a large table where they all ate dinner, including the children who were seated between the adults, never leaving the place except for one of the twins who went to the bathroom with the deponent. About an hour later they finished dinner returning, again on foot by the same route, though going wrong in one of the streets where they should have turned left, ending up only turning at the next street. He adds that, as they were all very tired they went directly to the apartment arriving at 20h10/20h15, the route back having been slightly faster given that the twins were carried all the way.

----- In the apartment they bathed the children and gave them a glass of milk putting them down at exactly 20h45, remembering that time because it was exactly one hour later than their usual bedtime. After putting down the children the deponent and his wife took a bath then settled down in the lounge to watch television. He points out that at the moment they arrived at the residence DP invited them to go for a glass of wine after putting down the children but they turned down the offer as they were extremely tired. He thinks that nobody left their apartments on the first night. Asked, he said that in England, when not on holiday, he and his wife would go to bed at 22h30/23h00, the twins at 19h00 and MADELEINE at 19H30.

----- The following day (Sunday) the children woke up at 08h00, he and his wife having woken up at 07h30. They dressed and about 08h40 left the apartment going to the MILLENIUM restaurant, once more on foot and by the same route as the previous night, but without the mistake referred to previously, arriving there at 08h45/09h00. The group did not all arrive at the same time, rather in a phased manner, because they were not all seated at the same table.

----- He thinks that MO and wife RMO did not take breakfast due to the former having spent a bad night with vomiting and diarrhoea. At breakfast the children sat at the same table among the adults, it finished at 09h25.

----- The deponent, his wife and three children went to the OCEAN CLUB by the same route where they arrived at 09h40, the deponent having entered the apartment by the main door, which was locked, collecting a bag with clothing and creams for the children [then] going inside the resort area. The twins stayed at the creche next to the TAPAS, which was for children of two years of age, and then he and KATE took MADELEINE to the other creche for older children situated on the 1st floor at the main reception of the resort, arriving there at 09h50. Besides MADELEINE, only E***, daughter of JANE and RUSSELL went to the same creche. The remaining children being very young stayed at the creche next to the TAPAS.

----- Again she went on foot, leaving the secondary reception she turned right, went down the street passing the supermarket, turning left passing the main reception. After putting the children in their creches they went to the supermarket where they bought [things] for lunch and breakfast.

----- At 12H30, the deponent and KATE first went to pick up MADELEINE and then the twins, going to the apartment. On this day, Sunday, they lunched on the veranda of DP's apartment with the whole group, including children, except for MATHEW, who was ill and at that moment was sleeping on the veranda of his apartment, that was below and to the left in relation to where they were eating lunch.

----- They took the children to the play area next to the pool, where the playground apparatus is, at 14H15, having stayed there until about 14H20. After that time they left the twins in the creche at TAPAS, and either he or KATE, he doesn't know who, took MADELEINE to the creche above the main reception following the route previously described. He clarifies that the drop-off and collection times were recorded at each creche along with the contact number and location of the respective parents.

----- At 17h00 the OCEAN CLUB nursery care workers conducted MADELEINE and the other children in creche on the 1st floor of the main reception to [the area] next to the TAPAS, under awnings, where they [the children] had dinner under the supervision of the employees and, at times, with their parents. The dinner ended at 17h30 the time at which the employee supervision ended and the parents took over watching the children in the play area until 18h30. Following this they returned to the apartment, the deponent opened the main door with his key and, then, the rear door through which KATE and the children entered.

----- The hygiene done, the children were put to bed about 19h30, it being that the deponent and KATE left for dinner at the TAPAS at 20h30. Between 19h30 and 20h30 they took a bath and drank wine, Portuguese or New Zealand, and a beer.

----- That they left the house by the main door, that he was sure he locked, it being that the rear door was also closed and locked. They were the first to arrive at the TAPAS where everyone showed up except only for MATHEW, who was still ill. Though his wife RACHEL showed up for dinner. Except for the situation described above, that occurred during lunch, he did not see MATHEW during the whole of Sunday.

----- Dinner ended at 23h00, during which every half-hour the deponent or KATE went, alternately, to the apartment to confirm that all was well with the children. On that day only the deponent and his wife entered the apartment. He is sure that they always entered through the front door, not being able to recall if they locked it when they left the apartment. Usually they entered the apartment, in which one of the lounge lights was lit, going to the children's bedroom door that was partially open [ajar] and limited themselves to peep inside, trying to hear if the children were crying. The outside blinds were closed with only two or three slats open, the window was closed though now he he is not totally sure if it was locked, and the curtains drawn closed. Ten minutes after dinner ended they had made their way to the apartment, going to sleep soon after.

----- In the following days they always took breakfast at home, shopping the day before, generally maintaining the daily routine described above. When the children were at creche they had tennis classes, KATE at 09h15, he an hour later, from Monday to Thursday.

----- From memory, on Tuesday, 1 May 2007, being shown by RUSSELL, he went to pick up MADELEINE at creche using a short-cut that began at the car park opposite the secondary reception and went between the buildings, which he used to fetch and carry his daughter.

----- Pertaining to the routine, on Tuesday there was a slight change given that after lunch, at 13h30, he and KATE decided to take the three children to Paris da Luz, having gone on foot, taking only the twins in baby carriages. They all left by the main door due to the carriages, went around to the right, down the street of the supermarket and went to the beach along a road directly ahead.

----- They were at the beach for about 20 minutes, the deponent and MADELEINE having paddled in the water. During this time the weather changed with a cloudy sky and cold, they went to an esplanade of a cafe next to the beach, on the left, where they bought five ice-creams and two drinks. Asked, he said that at that place there was an individual playing Latin music on a guitar to whom he intended to give some coins, but having none at the time, he didn't. That the individual had a neglected and careless appearance, unshaven and somewhat shabby [raggedy]. He was Caucasian, 175cm tall, thin, 70 to 75kg in weight, dark, short hair, almost shaven-headed with grey sides, and not wearing glasses. Wearing a light brown-coloured 'kispo' [coat?], with a hood at the back, and dark cotton trousers, not noticing the footwear. He said that he never behaved strangely, nor approached or looked at the children in an ostensible [deliberate/menacing] manner. On returning they left the children at their creches, as usual, the parents having gone to play tennis or went jogging.

----- The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when S*** and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left [withdrew herself] without any explanation.

----- On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that DP also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day he and KATE had already left the rear door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their colleagues to check on the children. He clarifies that the main door was always closed but not necessarily locked with the key. He does not know if the window next to the front door, and that gave access to the children's bedroom, was locked, given that he assumed that the outside blinds could not be opened from the outside. Still on this night, KATE slept in the children's bedroom, in the bed next to the window, because he was snoring.

----- He cannot say exactly, but he thinks that on Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise.

----- Returning to Thursday, after breakfast, about 09h00, KATE and the children left by the rear door, he having left by the front door, which he locked with the key, having also closed and locked the rear door from the inside.

----- They made their way on foot by the usual route to the creche next to the TAPAS where they left the twins, and, while KATE stayed to play tennis he took MADELEINE to her creche, through the short-cut, where they arrived at 09h15, and , since it was obligatory, he signed the child's attendance register. On returning, not by the short-cut, he went to the supermarket where he bought milk, he presumes, making his way to his apartment, entering by the front door, that was locked by key, when it was 09H40/09H45.

----- He remained at home for about 15 minutes, dressing in tennis clothes, left by the front door, that he did not lock, and made his way to the tennis courts by the usual route, they being next to the TAPAS. He played tennis for an hour with the instructor and other students among whom was an individual he had met during the holiday called "JEZ", and with whom he had established a friendship albeit as a simple acquaintance. "JEZ" has two small children whose exact age he does not know. As to his wife, he had seen her next to the pool but had never spoken with her.

----- The tennis class finished at llH15, he stayed in the pool area talking with his wife and other persons, whom he does not remember. At 12H00, he combined with KATE, as he recalls it, that she would make lunch and he would collect MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home. Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut

----- At 12h30 they started lunch, the meal having lasted an hour until 13h30. After that time they made their way to the resort play area, the deponent left by the front door and the rest of the family by the rear door that, once again, he shut and locked from the inside. As to the front door, he does not know exactly if he locked it.

----- That they stayed in the play area for approximately an hour until 14H30/14H35. After that they left the twins next to the creche at the TAPAS, they signed the register and the three (deponent, KATE and MADELEINE) made their way to the creche at the main reception, where they arrived at 14H50 and delivered MADELEINE, not being able to say precisely who signed the register.

----- The deponent and KATE returned to the OCEAN CLUB by the short-cut and at the secondary reception they asked the lady employee if there was a vacant tennis court they could reserve. They were told there was a vacancy between 14H30 to 15H30. As it was already 15h00, they began to play immediately. At 15H30, the tennis instructor arrived, who instructed each of them until 16H30.

----- The stayed in that place, talking, until 16H45 at which time the twins went to the meal area. At 17h00, as usual, MADELEINE arrived accompanied by the teachers and the other children. After her arrival, MADELEINE ate, [the meal] having ended at 17H30.

------ After 17H30 they went to the apartment, the deponent having entered by the main door, which he did not lock while he was inside the residence. KATE and the children entered by the rear door, after this had been opened from the inside by the deponent.

------ That they bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played.

------ During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30, the time at which he saw DP next to the tennis court. DAVID went to visit KATE and the children and returned close to 19H00, trying to convince the deponent to continue to play tennis, to which [entreaty] he did not accede as he had already been plying for about an hour and had to go back to to his wife. Nevertheless, RUSSELL, DAVID and MATHEW stayed to play.

----- At 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding KATE and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE'S bed to read a story. At 19H30, the twins were already in their respective cots and MADELEINE in the bed next to the bedroom door. He does not know if they were asleep but from the silence he presumed that they were. As it was still early he took a bath, he thinks that KATE had already had one, they talked a little and drank wine or beer.

----- At 20H35, they left the apartment in the direction of the TAPAS. Before they left and because the children's bedroom door was ajar as always, he opened it a little more, listening from the outside and, as there was complete silence he did not enter, returning the door to its previous position, with a space of about 10cm.

----- He is certain that, before leaving home the children's bedroom was totally dark, with the window closed, but he does not know it was locked, the external blinds closed but with some slats open, and the curtains also drawn closed. Asked, he relates that during the night the artificial light coming in from the outside is very weak, because, without a light being on in the lounge or the kitchen, the visibility inside the bedroom is much reduced. Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door.

----- They took the usual route to the TAPAS, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made since Monday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He relates that they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door of his apartment through which they left and entered and which gave access to the lounge.

----- Before that, among the other people whom he does not recall, there was at one of the small tables the CARPENTER couple, who he also met playing tennis and with whom he spoke until other group members began to arrive. He does not recall the order of arrival but has the idea that MATHEW and RACHEL had been the first to arrive after him. As time passed other group members were arriving until all nine adults [were there]. At 21H00, MATHEW stood up from the table saying that he would go to see the children. But he did not say that he would go to see the children of the deponent, only after the disappearance of MADELEINE he [MO] having told him [GM] that at 21h00 the external blinds of the children's bedroom window were shut. At 21H05 MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go to check how his children were.

----- He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge, he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. In this way he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and is certain of this, that the three were sleeping deeply. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, [then] going to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the blinds, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the lounge.

----- He adds that he never entered any other part of the residence [his bedroom or the kitchen] where he was for only two or three minutes, leaving yet again through the rear door that he closed but did not lock. He clarifies that he returned without seeing the children of any other family because he had not been asked to by them.

----- After going through the side gate, and while on his way to the secondary reception entrance, less than 10 metres from the gate, he saw JEZ coming up the street on the opposite pavement bring with him a baby carriage with his youngest child. He crossed the road in JEZ's direction who would come up on the right-hand side [when viewed] from the ascending direction, both having chatted for 3 to 4 minutes, about tennis, holidays and children. While he maintained the conversation with JEZ he saw no-one from the group, nor detected any suspicious individual or vehicle. Because he had been specifically asked, he relates that during this period of time he did not see with certainty JANE pass that location, although it is clear that he was speaking when in front of JEZ, his back to the other pathway on which his apartment is situated. He relates also that JEZ never said to him that he had seen any person given that he was in front.

----- Following on, he returned to the TAPAS between 21h10 and 21h15 the dinner having gone as normal. As the movement of people at the table was frequent he does not know if, when he returned, anyone else was absent, namely JANE. At 21h30 he drew KATE'S attention to the fact that it was time for her to go to see the children, MATHEW having immediately volunteered to substitute given that she was talking. Three to four minutes later MATHEW returned saying only "it is all calm", he having entered by the rear door, given that he did not have the key and it was usual for them to enter in that way.

----- After MATHEW arrived and before KATE left, he does not recall if anyone else was absent, although it was very probable that such had happened. He thinks that, on that night none of the adults nor children were ill. Asked, he relates that the daughter of RUSSELL and of FIONA would have been ill on Tuesday.

----- Half and hour later without anything to signal, it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house.

----- The deponent ran to the apartment accompanied by the rest of the group who, at the time, were seated at the table. When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.

----- Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside. They continued with searches outside around the various apartment blocks, the deponent having asked MATHEW who went to the secondary reception [where] the event was communicated to the local police, since he had no doubt that his daughter had been kidnapped [abducted]. He refutes, peremptorily, the notion [idea/hypothesis] that MADELEINE could have left the apartment by her own means.

----- The deponent had had the wrong idea that MATHEW had seen the bedroom external blinds closed when he was there at 21H30, the reason for that was that he thought the disappearance would have been happened between 21h30 and 22h00, it being that, actually, he is [?] convinced that the abduction occurred in the period understood to be between his visit at 21h05 and MATHEW'S visit at 21H30. Only about 01h00 on 4 May 2007 did he learn through RUSSELL that his companion, JANE, at 21h10, could have seen an individual crossing the top of the road with a child in his arms, that may or may not have been his daughter MADELEINE. Asked, he relates that he does not recall to have described exactly the type of pyjamas (colour, designs, etc.) that MADELEINE had worn at the time she disappeared. The photo of his daughter MADELEINE, after having printed several in the reception of the hotel, was delivered to the police (PJ) who were at the location, as well as to other persons who were there.

----- Asked, he stated that besides her own apartment MADELEINE only went to the apartment of DP and FP, since it was common that they frequented each others' apartments.

----- That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.

----- He denies peremptorily that anyone of the group could be directly or indirectly involved in the disappearance of his daughter. He presumes that, when his wife alerted him about her disappearance, all the group members were seated at the table. He relates that, also during the dinner, none of the members complained about being ill or manifested any strange behaviour, there was a relaxed atmosphere.

----- During the holidays he did not hire or ask to borrow any motor vehicle, nor had he used a taxi or other form of transport. He clarifies still that the only time MADELEINE accompanied them to the beach was described above, though she had gone to the beach in Luz three more times, one of those to go sailing, but always in the company of creche employees. Two of the visits occurred after the date on which she was there with her parents. That, with respect to those episodes, never was anything said to him by MADELEINE that anything strange had happened.

----- Asked, he relates that on Thursday, 3 May 2007, there was nobody outside the group seated at the table, nor does he know any person with the name IRWIN.

----- With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down. With respect to the other bed next to the window in the children's bedroom he says that it showed no signs that anyone had put their feet on it, namely, dirt or shoe prints.

----- Concerning the half-hourly checking of the children, it had been inspired by the MARK WARNER system called "baby listening", as referred to previously. On the night of the events he ate fish at dinner, and sausages and potatoes as a starter, drinking white wine. Usually, between 20h30 and the end of dinner, they would drink more or less a bottle of wine per person.

----- Asked, he says that KATE never told him anything about her having "a bad feeling [presentiment]" with respect to this trip.

----- He has no suspicion, nor has he any enemies, something that applies equally to his wife, KATE. That, in the course of his profession, he had never committed [made] any error, nor was he guilty of anything, except one time during 2000 in which an unknown individual entered the hospital where he worked, making incoherent threats without justification and calling his name.
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:03:AM
GERALD PATRICK MCCANN ' STATEMENT AS AN ARGUIDO
(from DVD)

September 7/2007 16.05 to 20.50  at Portimao

When asked if he wished to reply to the facts which he is being imputed with, he replied:

He is of British nationality, he cannot speak or write Portuguese; therefore an interpreter is present taken from a list provided by the Consulate: ADSR.
Also present Carlos Pinto de Abreu, attorney.

He is present in his capacity as an arguido, and the rights and duties thereof have been explained to him; he is obliged to comply with TIR (Terms of Identity and Residence).

He confirms all of what was stated previously to the Police on two occasions, and has nothing further to add.

After being made aware of the facts attributable to him, he says that he wishes to make a statement.

When asked if he had any responsibility or participation in the disappearance of his daughter Madeleine, he peremptorily denies this.

When asked if on the night of May 1, 2007 he went to have dinner at the Tapas with Kate, he says yes. As customary they would come and check on the children every half hour, usually alternating. They arrived at the Tapas around 20:30, and then went to the apartment every half hour, until they arrived back, at around 23:00, plus or minus 10 minutes. Occasionally one of the others in the group made the check, he does not remember if this happened on the 1st. It is not true that Madeleine had been crying that night for an hour and 15 minutes, because she was not alone all that time.

When questioned, he said that on the day they arrived, April 28, they removed two cribs that were in their room, and placed them in Madeleine's room. He is unable to confirm, but it could be possible, that there were 3 cribs, and they asked them to remove one.

It is not true that on a certain day they placed one crib in their room, leaving the other in Madeleine's room.

He did not remember what days were scheduled for cleaning the apartment.

He now states that he also joined the two single beds in his room, which had been separated by a night table. He transformed the two beds into a double bed.
Regarding the windows, he says they were normally closed, he does not know if they were locked *** blinds also closed. Regarding Madeleine's window he says that he made sure the blinds worked so as to darken the room for the children.

--- On the day of arrival, he does not know if the blinds in Madeleine's room were open or closed. He did not open them again, and does not know if somebody else did. When confronted with a testimony that states having seen the blinds on this window open after their arrival, he says that it was not him who opened them. When asked about the window behind one of the sofas in the living room, he says that yes, he remembers the window but does not remember if the blinds were also closed.

--- Regarding this sofa, he remembers it was next to the window. He is not sure, but thinks that this sofa was probably a bit closer as his children threw objects behind it, mainly playing cards. When asked, he does not know if any of the children was behind the sofa or passed behind this sofa.

--- When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn't sleep. He thinks that he hadn't heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.

--- With respect to his wife, he says that on the Wednesday she slept in the children's room in the bed next to the window. He doesn't know why, but thinks it could have been because of his snoring. Also on that day, and after dinner, he returned to the apartment sooner than Kate.

-- Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him if he was going to continue playing. G. said he didn't know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Regarding his previous statement where he states that David returned half an hour later around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court after getting ready for the game.

-- When questioned, he says that Madeleine usually sleeps well at night. During the first months of her life she had some difficulties sleeping due to feeding problems. After moving to their house in Rothley in April 2006, twice a week Madeleine wakened, left her bed and went into their room; this sometimes happened between 23:00 ' 24:00 for no apparent reason, maybe because she was used to sleeping with (*** blank ****).

--- When asked about a chart highlighting the characteristics of the children at the house in Rothley, he says that he does in fact have such an object, where several stars show the nights when Madeleine did not get up, as she was rewarded this way.

--- When questioned if it was therefore safe to leave Madeleine in the apartment if she woke and got up at night, he says that this rarely happened, and then only after her parents were in bed.

--- When questioned about whether the couple's and the childrens' lives were peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins' first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate had changed her work habits for reasons related to depressions. He affirms that his wife never gave him to understand that at some time she had the intention of giving Madeleine into the care of a family member.

When questioned, he says that he works at the Emergency Room of the hospital where he works every 15 days, however he is not usually called out at night, and if this happens then it is once for 4 days prevention. Kate's specialty is general medicine, and works two days a week. After the birth of the twins, Kate did not work for a year, on maternity leave, and currently works part-time as above.

--- When questioned, he states that none of his children takes any kind of medication regularly in England.

--- When they travelled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever. He did not give any of these medicines or any others to the children while on holiday in Portugal.

---- When asked about the time he went to check the children on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, he states remembering that he did it, according to his watch, around 21:04. He remembers that once inside the apartment he thought strange only the fact of the door to the children's room being slightly more open than how the defendant had left it when he and Kate left for dinner. However, he puts the hypothesis of [proposes; suggests] it having been Madeleine opening that door after having woken and having got up, possibly to go to her parents' room. On this occasion the three children were lying in their beds and asleep, he is sure of that. Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head, not knowing if they were placed in the position in which one can see them in the photograph attached to the files.

--- The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate, but Matt offered to go as he was going to check on his own daughter. When Matt returned to the restaurant G. asked him if all was well; Matt replied that all was quiet. G. is not absolutely sure, but he is under the impression that he asked Matt if he entered their apartment, to which Matt replied yes.

--- The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up.

--- He does not remember if he had taken his mobile phone to the restaurant. He is under the impression that he did not take anything with him, except maybe his wallet. He was wearing tennis shoes (trainers), blue jeans and a light brown polar top. He does not remember what Kate was wearing that night. The arguido did not take a camera and does not remember if Kate did. He does not remember if anybody in the group took photographs that night.

--- He remembers that after it was known that Madeleine had disappeared he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere.

--- He remembers that at one time the lady who lived in the apartment above theirs, went onto her veranda and asked what was going on. He does not remember specifically who replied to this lady, but he remembers that somebody spoke to her, assuming it was himself who did so.

When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the blinds and window in the room.

--- When questioned, he says that on that night he made several phone calls, including calls to two sisters, a couple of Kate's uncles, his brother or certainly sent him a message, father P. S. who baptized Madeleine and married G. and K. When questioned he says he did not get in touch with any media and does not know if anyone did. In the morning his family did contact the press. G. spoke of contacting the press, however he never did so.

--- When questioned he says that he did not request a priest, but to Kate to seek spiritual help.

--- Regarding the disclosure of Madeleine's photograph, he says that he gave the authorities a photograph from a digital camera, and he thinks it was Russell who printed it at the main 24-hour reception of the complex. He made the delivery thereof, or of these pictures on A4 paper to the Police, and he is sure he never delivered any of these photographs to GNR.

--- Around 19:00 the interview was stopped for a rest period, to be recommenced at around 19:40.

--- When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which is now a normal developmental difficulty. At this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping.

--- When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

--- When asked if he had life insurance, he says that he does, and so does Kate. The children do not have any life insurance, nor are their parents, Gerry and Kate the beneficiaries of any insurance regarding the children.

--- When asked about the contents of the wardrobe in his room that can be seen in the photographs, he says that on top is a suitcase and below a pile of dirty clothes that he cannot make out. This wardrobe was opened to look for Madeleine.

--- When asked if in fact they went to the apartment every half hour, he says it is true, and that this was never created to justify absences during dinner.

--- When asked what the expression 'we let her down' means, he says that it has to do with the fact that they were not present when Madeleine was abducted. It was Kate who first used this expression.

During this interview several films of a forensic nature showing sniffer dogs were shown where their signalling can be seen regarding indication of cadaver odour and traces of blood also human, and only of a human nature, as well as the comments made by the expert in charge of the procedure.

-- After viewing the films and after the signalling of cadaver odour in their room next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa against the window in the living room, he says that he has no comments, neither has he any explanation for this fact.

--- Also, the dog that detects human blood signalled human blood behind the sofa mentioned above, he says that he cannot explain this fact.

-- Regarding the cadaver odour in the car that was rented at the end of May, (xx)-DA-27, he says he cannot explain more than what he already has.

--- Regarding the presence of human blood in the boot of the same vehicle, he says that he has not explanation for this fact.

-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.

--- When asked if on any occasion Madeleine was injured, he says that he has no comments.

-- When questioned, he says he is the usual driver of the car. In addition to G. the car could also be driven by his wife Kate, sister in law Sandy and a cousin of Kate's by the name Michael.

-- When asked if he has anything to add he says that he has not seen any proof that his daughter Madeleine is dead, and therefore he will continue to search for her in the hopes she is alive. He knows nothing more than what has been said.

-- The lawyer for the defence says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn't know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

-- During this interview the arguido was informed of his duty to respect the secrecy of justice as well as the consequences of not complying with same, stipulated in current law.

--- At around 22:50 the present interview was ended.

--- He says nothing further. After reading the document and finding it to be satisfactory, he confirms and signs it.
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Processos Vol X
Page 2577


Policia Judiciaria


Terms of Joining

On this date, due to being considered of interest to the investigation, joined to the files are two cover sheets of a children’s book, with handwritten notes on the inside covers, which were provided to this police force on the night of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by one of those who feature in the case files and a member of the McCann couple group of friends, named Russell O’Brien.

The present terms of joining was drawn up and will be signed.

Portimão, 9th September 2007.

Signed

Inspector Ricardo Paiva
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:06:AM
Kate's fear of being locked up News of the World
 
09 September 2007
 
ANGUISHED mum Kate hugged her two-year-old twins close and said a tearful goodbye as she was called in for her SECOND tough interrogation by Portuguese cops.
 
She had already endured an 11-hour grilling on Thursday and feared she might not be coming home from Friday's session.
 
A friend revealed: "Kate was petrified that the detectives would charge her over Maddie's disappearance and keep her in prison.
 
"When she left for the police station on Friday she had no idea whether she'd be seeing little Sean and Amelie later that day or weeks down the line.
 
"So she went to see them at their crèche and said goodbye, she gave them both a big kiss and cuddle. It was a very emotional journey and her goodbye with Gerry was very personal, too.
 
"It wasn't so much the words he used, but the look of resilience he gave her. He was saying to her 'Don't let them get you down, we can do this.'"
 
Defiant
 
And the pal said that Kate did him proud as she remained defiant throughout the five-hour interview and even turned the tables on the officers, asking them to produce their evidence.
 
The source said: "Once Kate was formally named as a suspect she had the right to remain silent. But when the police started laying it on thick, she hit back and demanded to be shown what they'd got to support their theory that she and Gerry had killed Maddie then covered up the crime.
 
"Kate's determined not to be pushed into saying anything that isn't true.
 
"It was very intense but she stood her ground."
 
Gerry emerged from his grilling at the police station just after midnight on Friday and a family friend revealed he found the ordeal and allegations distressing.
 
"But he was determined not to give the police the satisfaction of seeing him break down," said the friend.
 
"He held firm and answered all the questions. He wasn't going to cry in front of them."
 
But the tears flooded out when Gerry arrived back at the family's villa in the early hours of yesterday for an emotional reunion with Kate.
 
The pal said: "There was an explosion of anger. They're in a state of disbelief and shock at what's happened. But they are just trying to remain focused on finding Madeleine."
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:08:AM
Kate refuses to answer 48 questions at her arguida interview

"Kate will answer every question put to her – she has nothing to hide."
 
Justine McGuinness - 06 September 2007
 
"I spoke to Kate at about, errm... half eleven, eleven to half past last night."
 
"What did she say to you?"
 
"Errm... she just told me that she was alright, errm... and she sounded quite strong. Errm... she had fought her corner in her interview with the police yesterday, errm... and I think, errm... I felt quite proud that she'd been able to do this knowing how distraught she is at Madeleine's disappearance... "
 
Susan Healy - 08 September 2007
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:14:AM
01 septembre 2008

Interview with Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly Oldfield.

On the subject we note that.

Being a British citizen and not understanding the Portuguese language, in spoken or written form, the undersigned was accompanied by a sworn translator: Filipa M.C.S. The interview begins at 7.20pm on May 4th 2007.

Since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, she has been on holiday in Portugal at the Ocean Club tourist complex in Praia da Luz, accompanied by her husband Matthew Oldfield. They traveled from London to Faro airport with their daughter ******, aged 19 months. This trip was organised for a group of nine adults and eight children. Her husband and her daughter are part of the group:

The couple, Russell O'Brien and Jane Michelle Tanner, with their daughters, **** aged three and a half and **** aged 19 months.

David and Fiona Payne with their daughters *** aged three years and ***** aged 12 months.
Gerald (Gerry) McCann and Kate MCann with their twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 26 months and Madeleine aged 4 years.

Also in their group is Diane Webster, Fiona Payne's mother.

The holiday was organised because the men in the group are all doctors apart from Fiona Payne and Kate McCann who worked together for a long time. These shared holidays are usually organised for the whole group, although for the last holiday, last September, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann did not go to Greece with the group.

The interviewee has known the couple, Gerry and Kate, since 2003. Her husband, Matthew, knew them from before. On arrival at the airport, they were transported in a, "Mark Warner," company bus. There were other people on the bus apart from the group. They were put up at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The couples had their own, individual apartments, at the same complex, with their respective children. Since their arrival until yesterday evening, when Madeleine disappeared, the days have all been the same.

After breakfast, taken between 8 and 9 am in the Millennium restaurant, she takes her daughter to the Kids Club, about 10 minutes walk from the apartment. The other couples do exactly the same thing, with the exception of Gerry and Kate McCann who have breakfast in their apartment. The interviewee's daughter goes to a room at the Kids Club which is close to the, "TAPAS," restaurant. Madeleine goes to another room, situated near the club's reception, because she is older.

After dropping her daughter off, the interviewee had a tennis lesson between 11 and 12 o'clock. Then she went back to the Kids Club to pick up her daughter, ******, for lunch. She made ******'s lunch and then they went to Russell O'Brien or David Payne's apartment, where they all ate together. Only Gerry and Kate McCann had lunch in their apartment with the twins and Madeleine. The interviewee has the impression that the McCann family had one lunch on the beach.

All members of the group did their shopping at the only supermarket near the complex, the "Baptiste."
She never saw any suspicious attention, or ever had suspicions about anybody she came across, either in their independent activities or in the group with their children.

Her relationship with the couple, Gerry and Kate, is one of good friendship and they meet up occasionally at celebrations, weddings and birthdays.

Concerning Madeleine, she is a happy child, good natured and full of energy. She considers it impossible that a stranger could take her without her shouting or crying. She is a smart child who knows right from wrong.

TAPAS

They had the habit of going to eat every evening at the,"TAPAS," restaurant which is about 50 metres from the apartments as the crow flies but 60 or 70 metres round the building to the back entrance.

Yesterday, at around 8.45pm, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the,"tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shutters and didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise.

After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Jane was also absent to check her apartment. Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children. Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left this door accessible for everyone during dinner) The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms.

Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying withhis daughter, ****, who was crying.

They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived.

At around 10pm, Kate McCann went on her own to check her children. She came back to the restaurant in tears and told us that Madeleine had disappeared. We all got up then and went with her to see. The surrounding area was combed after having checked that Madeleine was not hiding in the apartment. The twins carried on sleeping. They didn't move.

The interviewee has nothing else to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.

The interviewee remembers that Kate said the window at the front of the apartment was open, the shutters raised. The couple had never opened the shutters during their stay.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:16:AM
Thursday, 14 August 2008

The aerobic instructor short statement

Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to PJ, on May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a “Quiz Game”, at night (09:00 pm), on Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday.

On May 1, 2007, after the “Quiz” was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she didn't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.

During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who had been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.

Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:18:AM
3/09/08

The interview begins at 8.45pm on May 4th 2007. Since the informant has no command of Portuguese in spoken or written form, an interpreter was called for: Natalia C.

On the matter in hand, we note that:

The informant is interviewed as a witness, She is part of a group who traveled to Portugal with the parents of the minor, Madeleine. She is FIONA's mother. She had accompanied her, her husband and her two small children. She has known the parents of the missing child, Kate and Gerald, for around four years, through her daughter. They have since become friends.

She states that the McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine, nearly four years. She thinks the idea of coming to Portugal came from her daughter. She believes her daughter knows Portugal.

The informant arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12.20/12.30 from Leicestershire to Faro and then to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club they they used the airport's shuttle service. After checking in, she was placed in apartment G5H with her family. (Her daughter, her son-in-law and their two small children)

Concerning the usual routines, the informant states that she only spent part of each afternoon with her family and that not always. Sometimes she read, she went shopping or did other things. As for the mornings, she only had lunch one day with her family, Wednesday, because it was raining. On the other days, she spent the mornings playing tennis.

Concerning the day yesterday, she went to the beach with the children, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 3.45pm and left at around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 7pm. The informant then went to the apartment with the small children and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children.

They left the apartment at around 8.45 and accompanied by her son-in-law and her daughter, they went to join the rest of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant. The McCann couple were amongst the other friends at dinner. To our question, the informant told us that given that her daughter had an intercom allowing them to hear if the children were shouting or crying, no one went to check on the spot. However, she reported that Kate and Gerald as well as other couples went a few times, on a regular basis, to make sure their children were OK. During one of these checks, Kate came back, frightened and nervous, even panicked, saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

They immediately organised search parties, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding in there, then outside. In spite of help from the Ocean Club's employees, the searches were fruitless.

The informant does not know Madeleine well, because she lives a long way from the McCanns, and she cannot say very much about Madeleine's personality. Nevertheless, she reports that Madeleine was calm but active and energetic and well brought up. She is an attractive and a good child.

During this holiday, she has noticed nothing unusual or which could be linked to the investigation.

She has no other details to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.

The rest of the news....

(I'll finish the rest of the news tomorrow!)

Comment: I just keep getting this sense of Déjà vu with each new statement I type. I am sure that Diane Webster's words are almost identical to those of someone else in places, especially when she talks about Kate's going back to the restaurant, frightened, nervous and panicked even.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:26:AM
Home Secretary to ask US for satellite images of Praia da Luz

Sunday October 18,2009

By James Murray

HOME Secretary Alan Johnson is prepared to ask US spy chiefs for satellite images which may show the face of Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, following intervention by the Sunday Express.

Hope of new progress came after it emerged Leicestershire Police never made a formal request to the Home Office for views of Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve at the time the little girl vanished in May 2007.

The quality of pictures taken by satellites in space is now so good they can reputedly identify the colour of someone’s eyes.

Last night a senior source with the Portuguese police said: “We know US spy satellites regularly sweep over Portugal looking at military installations and government facilities.

“So we thought they might actually have images of Praia da Luz on the day of the kidnapping and the preceding days.

“We hoped spy images may have captured the kidnapper watching the apartment prior to the event or even on the day itself. Obviously, having a picture would have speeded up the apprehension of the offender.” Yet more than two years after Madeleine was snatched no help has been forthcoming, despite early requests from senior Portuguese detectives.

The Portuguese source explained: “This was fully discussed with Leicestershire Police and officials with the British Government.

“We were confident of getting progress because of Gordon Brown’s interest in the case and this apparent special relationship between Britain and the United States.

“Your ambassador to Portugal even visited our officers soon after the kidnap.

“The bad news for us is that we got nowhere with this avenue of inquiry, which was both frustrating and infuriating.”

For, despite all the talk, nothing appears to have been done officially with the British government and the formal requests were never made.

Last night a spokesman for Mr Johnson said extensive checks within the security intelligence community had failed to discover any formal request ever having come to them through Leicestershire Police from Portugal.

However, he said that if a request were now made Mr Johnson would see whether he could offer any assistance in trying to persuade the Americans to become co-operative.

The issue appears so sensitive that Prime Minister Mr Brown may have to speak directly to US President Barack Obama in order to achieve co-operation.

The Sunday Express sought explanations for the extraordinary situation from the US government’s ultra- secretive National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

The agency’s lawyers are now considering a Freedom of Information request from the Sunday Express.

A spokesman for the agency said: “NGA does not provide imagery to private citizens or private companies. For reasons of national security we do not discuss specifics about what images we have or our capabilities.”

Private investigators working for parents Kate and Gerry McCann, who live in Rothley, Leicestershire, have also tried to access US satellite images, but with no success.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:33:AM
Other items found in drawer of McCanns bedside table

Surgical gloves?

Brian Healy's drugs dispensed by a McCann (28 Amantadine caps 100MG)







 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:36:AM
Other items found in drawer of McCanns bedside table

Surgical gloves?

Brian Healy's drugs dispensed by a McCann (28 Amantadine caps 100MG)

Common side effects of this medicine include:
Agitation, anxiety, or nervousness.
Dizziness or lightheadedness.
Headache.
Nausea or loss of appetite.
Purplish red blotchy spots on skin.
Trouble sleeping or nightmares.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 05:41:AM
Common side effects of this medicine include:
Agitation, anxiety, or nervousness.
Dizziness or lightheadedness.
Headache.
Nausea or loss of appetite.
Purplish red blotchy spots on skin.
Trouble sleeping or nightmares.

What were the McCann parents doing with prescribed medication for Brian Healey, whilst they were on holiday in Portugal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:21:AM
What were the McCann parents doing with prescribed medication for Brian Healey, whilst they were on holiday in Portugal?

Was Madeleine McCann drugged with this medication? If so, what benefits if anything did the McCann Parents think could be achieved from administering it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:23:AM
Why would medication prescribed to Brian Healey be present on the bedside cabinet in the MacCann Parents bedroom in apartment 5a?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:28:AM
Why would medication prescribed to Brian Healey be present on the bedside cabinet in the MacCann Parents bedroom in apartment 5a?

Ok, we must proceed on the basis that Kate McCanns father had erectile disfunction - but, why would Kate and Gerry McCann had his medication on their bedside cabinet at apartment 5a, Ocean Club resort, Pria de Luz, Portugal on and by the evening of the 3rd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:34:AM
Similarly, why would other strips of used medication be found and photographed on a table of the lounge inside apartment 5a, as captured by the PJ photographer?

Furthermore, what sort of medication was that /this?

Was it a partially used prescribed part of Brian Healey's medication?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:36:AM
It begs the question, first and foremost, whereabouts on planet Earth was Brian Healey on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007?

If married, or he had a partner at that time, whereabouts on planet Earth, was she, or he?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:40:AM
We must not overlook the fact that on Kate McCanns own account, as attested to by other members of the so called tapas 9 group, that upon returning to the tapas bar restaurant, Kate McCann is supposed to have yelled out, 'They've taken her, they've taken her, Madeleine is gone'...

Was she referring to her father and partner / wife / husband?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:41:AM
Who in the mind of Kate McCann at that point was / is - they?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:44:AM
It is a rather unusual feature, that the McCann parents should have erectile dysfunctional dedication prescribed to Brian Healey on their bedside cabinet inside their bedroom at apartment 5a, at the time when Madeleine vanished without trace from there....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 10:47:AM
It is a rather unusual feature, that the McCann parents should have erectile dysfunctional dedication prescribed to Brian Healey on their bedside cabinet inside their bedroom at apartment 5a, at the time when Madeleine vanished without trace from there....

Was Brian Healey and his partner the couple who entered the McCann apartment, on the same evening that Mrs Fenn noted that a child had been crying continuously?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 11:06:AM
that may be caused by the use of certain drugs.

Amantadine may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

Important Information

You should not use amantadine if you received a nasal flu vaccine in the past 14 days.
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 11:08:AM
As a matter of interest, did Kate McCanns father and partner take Madeleine away from her parents and other two siblings?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 11:19:AM
Side Effects:-

Applies to amantadine: oral capsule, oral capsule extended release, oral capsule liquid filled, oral syrup, oral tablet, oral tablet extended release
Along with its needed effects, amantadine may cause some unwanted effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do occur they may need medical attention.

Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking amantadine:

More Common
Bladder pain
bloody or cloudy urine
blurred vision
confusion
difficult, burning, or painful urination
dizziness or lightheadedness
fainting
falls
frequent urge to urinate
lower back or side pain
seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there
swelling of the hands, feet, or lower legs

Less Common

Inability to move the eyes
increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid
muscle spasm
sticking out of the tongue
troubled breathing, speaking, or swallowing
uncontrolled twisting movements of the neck, trunk, arms, or legs
unusual facial expressions

Rare

Chills
decreased vision or any change in vision
difficulty in coordination
fever
increased blood pressure
increase in body movements
irritation and swelling of the eye
loss of memory
mental depression
seizures
severe mood or mental changes
skin rash
slurred speech
sore throat
thoughts of suicide or attempts at suicide

Some side effects of amantadine may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects. Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them:

More Common

Agitation

anxiety
difficulty concentrating
headache
irritability
loss of appetite
nausea
nervousness
nightmares
purplish red, net-like, or blotchy spots on the skin
trouble with sleeping

Less Common

Constipation
decrease in sexual desire
diarrhea
drowsiness
dryness of the mouth, nose, and throat
false sense of well-being
unusual tiredness or weakness
vomiting

General

The more commonly reported adverse reactions have included nausea, dizziness/lightheadedness, and insomnia.[Ref]

Nervous system

Common (1% to 10%): Dizziness/lightheadedness, ataxia, headache, somnolence, dystonia

Overview

Dystonia is a movement disorder in which your muscles contract involuntarily, causing repetitive or twisting movements.

The condition can affect one part of your body (focal dystonia), two or more adjacent parts (segmental dystonia) or all parts of your body (general dystonia). The muscle spasms can range from mild to severe. They may be painful, and they can interfere with your performance of day-to-day tasks.
There's no cure for dystonia. But medications can improve symptoms. Surgery is sometimes used to disable or regulate nerves or certain brain regions in people with severe dystonia.

Symptoms

Dystonia affects different people in varying ways. Muscle contractions might:
Begin in a single area, such as your leg, neck or arm. Focal dystonia that begins after age 21 usually starts in the neck, arm or face and tends to remain focal or segmental.

Occur during a specific action, such as handwriting.

Worsen with stress, fatigue or anxiety.

Become more noticeable over time.

Areas of the body that can be affected include:

Neck (cervical dystonia). Contractions cause your head to twist and turn to one side, or pull forward or backward, sometimes causing pain.

Eyelids. Rapid blinking or involuntary spasms cause your eyes to close (blepharospasms) and make it difficult for you to see. Spasms usually aren't painful but might increase when you're in bright light, under stress or interacting with people. Your eyes might feel dry.

Jaw or tongue (oromandibular dystonia). You might experience slurred speech, drooling, and difficulty chewing or swallowing. Oromandibular dystonia can be painful and often occurs in combination with cervical dystonia or blepharospasms.

Voice box and vocal cords (spasmodic dystonia). You might have a tight or whispering voice.
Hand and forearm. Some types of dystonia occur only while you do a repetitive activity, such as writing (writer's dystonia) or playing a specific musical instrument (musician's dystonia).






Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 11:23:AM
From an evidential perspective, the following cannot be ignored...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 11:29:AM
From an evidential perspective, the following cannot be ignored...

(1) - Gerry McCann prescribed Brian Healey with the medication

(2) - the medication was present on the bedside cabinet of the McCanns bedroom at apartment 5a

(3) - Kate McCann was an anaesthetist

(4) - Madeleine died as a result of a drugs overdose (inside apartment 5a), and the symptoms accompanying it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 11:35:AM
There has clearly been a breach of medical protocol, whereby the prescribing doctor, or consultant, has personal control of medication he / she has prescribed to a patient - the doctor / consultant is only supposed to be involved directly with prescribing medication to a patient, not to retaining possession of that medication on behalf of the patient he / she has prescribed the medication for use of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 09, 2019, 11:39:AM
There has clearly been a breach of medical protocol, whereby the prescribing doctor, or consultant, has personal control of medication he / she has prescribed to a patient - the doctor / consultant is only supposed to be involved directly with prescribing medication to a patient, not to retaining possession of that medication on behalf of the patient he / she has prescribed the medication for use of...

The fact that Brian Healey's medication was present on the bedside cabinet of the McCann parents bedroom inside apartment 5a, and that Gerry McCann appears to have been the prescribing Consultant, and that his wife, was a qualified anaesthetist, it cannot be ignored that both parents acted together when they administered that medication to Madeleine McCann..

(28 Amantadine caps 100MG)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2019, 04:38:PM
Madeleine McCann is deceased, she died in the Holiday apartment (5a), and by the evening of Thursday, 3rd  May 2007, the McCann parents and fellow associates got their heads together to try and mislead the general public at large, into accepting that she had been abducted...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2019, 04:44:PM
Evidence exists still today the Madeleine's remains were incarcerated in / at the shallow grave which I have pinpointed -  left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building across the street from St Vincent's church at Praia de Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2019, 05:05:PM
Evidence exists still today the Madeleine's remains were incarcerated in / at the shallow grave which I have pinpointed -  left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building across the street from St Vincent's church at Praia de Luz...

OK, to put it another way, if Madeleine McCanns body was already deceased at the time her body left apartment 5a, then  I can't for the life of me bring myself to believe or to accept, that her body ended up some one and a half miles further away from the location where she lost her life..

Please bear with me..

Madeleine's body was at one stage, present inside the derelict building which is situated directly across the road from St Vincent's church, in Pria de Luz..



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 10, 2019, 07:22:PM
OK, to put it another way, if Madeleine McCanns body was already deceased at the time her body left apartment 5a, then  I can't for the life of me bring myself to believe or to accept, that her body ended up some one and a half miles further away from the location where she lost her life..

Please bear with me..

Madeleine's body was at one stage, present inside the derelict building which is situated directly across the road from St Vincent's church, in Pria de Luz..
I know this, because I was present at the time I identified, Madeleine's presence in that building, and her energy was captured pic- cordially.

See ' ghost of Maddie' image...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2019, 01:39:PM
I believe that in June 2010 that I pinpointed the shallow grave where the body of Madeleine McCann was buried. I took photographs of it, as well as some images of the derelict building itself, and it's rear garden. In a pink painted front room which faced St Vincent's church across the street, there was a single bed mattress, which had been positioned leaving a gap between it's edge and the wall. It was in this gap that I captured what I believe to be the ghost of Madeleine McCann...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2019, 05:33:PM
The derelict building where I discovered the shallow grave is located not too far away from St Vincent's church across the street, nearby to Chaplin's bar, where on the evening of 1st, May 2007 the McCann couple and their friends spent time drinking, too far away from their apartment to realistically provide care for their three young children - is it any wonder that Mrs Fenn overheard a child crying continually between 10.30pm, and 11.45pm. that same evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 11, 2019, 05:40:PM
The derelict building where I discovered the shallow grave is located not too far away from St Vincent's church across the street, nearby to Chaplin's bar, where on the evening of 1st, May 2007 the McCann couple and their friends spent time drinking, too far away from their apartment to realistically provide care for their three young children - is it any wonder that Mrs Fenn overheard a child crying continually between 10.30pm, and 11.45pm. that same evening...

The McCann parents and their friends out of the earshot of any crying children so far away in their apartments of block 5 of the Ocean Club...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 16, 2019, 10:06:PM
And rather more recently the disturbing news, that...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 16, 2019, 10:11:PM
And rather more recently the disturbing news, that...

The ' FIND MADDIE ONLINE STORE,' was set up in 2006, even though Madeleine McCann did not reportedly go missing until Thursday, 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 03:29:AM
How did Gerry McCanns sister know that Madeleine was going to be missing in  the year before she actually went missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 03:39:AM
The Madeleine fund website was launched on the 15th May 2007, the first screen capture of the Store was on August the 25th, 2007, meaning the 2006 copyright must have been visible on the website at its launch...

By the 12th September 2007 the copyright (2006) had been changed to 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 03:41:AM
The Madeleine fund website was launched on the 15th May 2007, the first screen capture of the Store was on August the 25th, 2007, meaning the 2006 copyright must have been visible on the website at its launch...

By the 12th September 2007 the copyright (2006) had been changed to 2007..

Is the Madeleine McCann case something of a scam?

The Copyright date of the 'FIND MADELINE ONLINE STORE' (2006) raises eyebrows, particularly since Gerry McCanns sister help to set up and run the online store, accompanied by a pupil she used to teach, and his father a police Officer in Ullapool., Scotland..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 06:48:AM
There needs to be an investigation into the date, and by whom the 'FIND MADELEINE ON LINE STORE' was first registered in 2006 - since, with it being registered long before Madeleine McCann even supposedly went missing, and the involvement of Gerry McCanns sister, and others, who lived or worked in Ullapool Scotland in the day to day running and operating of the store not set into operating  motion until the following year (April / May 2007) when the McCanns went to Portugal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 06:52:AM
There needs to be an investigation into the date, and by whom the 'FIND MADELEINE ON LINE STORE' was first registered in 2006 - since, with it being registered long before Madeleine McCann even supposedly went missing, and the involvement of Gerry McCanns sister, and others, who lived or worked in Ullapool Scotland in the day to day running and operating of the store not set into operating  motion until the following year (April / May 2007) when the McCanns went to Portugal...

What must also come into play, is the fact that there must have been more than nine adult members of the so called tapas group in Portugal at the time Madeleine McCanns disappearance was alerted - who were the other unnamed members of the group?

The Gorrod couple, the Carpenter couple, Kate McCanns father?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 08:24:AM
There is also the matter of a couple, who entered the McCann apartment on the evening when Madeleine was crying continuously for about one hour and fifthteen minutes - this entry into the premises is understood to have taken place prior to the observations made by Mrs Fenn ( who reported non stop crying between 10.30pm - 11.45pm, on evening 1st May 2007). Rather disturbingly  an unknown couple had entered apartment 5a to deal with a crying child at abut 9.30 - 10pm, that same evening. In contrast Mrs Fenn did not return to her apartment (situated above the McCann apartment in block 5) until about 10pm that evening and sat on the veranda drinking wine or spirits, as was her normal custom!

Neither Mrs Fenn or the unknown couple, knew what the other party did, or observed, because the couple and Mrs Fenn, were not present in block 5 at one and the same time. The couple entered the McCann apartment at a time when Mrs Fenn was absent from her own apartment above the McCanns accommodation, and by the time Mrs Fenn returned to her apartment at about 10pm, the couple had already left the McCann apartment (or as the case may be, have remained inside the McCann accommodation, or alternatively, taken Madeleine out of apartment 5a to another unspecified apartment nearby...

Despite this, once the couple had left the McCann apartment by 10pm,  it would appear that the crying childhood been quelled and must have settled down for about half an hour ( between 10pm and 10.30pm) because Mrs Fenn did not hear any crying at all from any child during the first 30 minutes after arriving back at her apartment at 10pm - the incessant crying started at 10.30pm and lasted until 11.45pm, coinciding with Mrs Fenn hearing the sliding of the patio door on the poolside of the apartment block, accompanied by a child's voice calling out 'daddy, daddy, daddy'..

Now..

Although this suggests that Gerry McCann must have returned to apartment 5a at about that time (11.45pm), it remains possible that the couple who entered apartment 5a at some point between 9.30pm -10pm, had remained inside the apartment throughout the entire period (9.30pm - 11.45pm), and that the yell of a childs vioce calling out, ' daddy, daddy, daddy', coincided with the actual time she may have died..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 08:36:AM

Despite this, once the couple had left the McCann apartment by 10pm,  it would appear that the crying childhood been quelled and must have settled down for about half an hour ( between 10pm and 10.30pm) because Mrs Fenn did not hear any crying at all from any child during the first 30 minutes after arriving back at her apartment at 10pm - the incessant crying started at 10.30pm and lasted until 11.45pm, coinciding with Mrs Fenn hearing the sliding of the patio door on the poolside of the apartment block, accompanied by a child's voice calling out 'daddy, daddy, daddy'..

Now..

Although this suggests that Gerry McCann must have returned to apartment 5a at about that time (11.45pm), it remains possible that the couple who entered apartment 5a at some point between 9.30pm -10pm, had remained inside the apartment throughout the entire period (9.30pm - 11.45pm), and that the yell of a childs vioce calling out, ' daddy, daddy, daddy', coincided with the actual time she may have died..

Thus lending credence to the beliefs of some that Madeleine McCann had died or gone missing before either of the two alerts made on the evening of the 3rd May 2007 (by 9.15pm and10pm), in other words, that she could have died or gone missing from as early as the late evening of the 1st May 2007...

There is something not quite right with a number of things in this case...

For example, the copyrighting of the ' FIND MADELEINE ON LINE STORE', set up in 2006 and run by Gerry McCanns sister, and a former pupil of hers ( and his policeman father), and the likelihood that there were other adult members of the tapas nine group at one time or another in Luz, Portugal, including the Gorrod and Carpenter couples, and Kate McCanns father?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 08:47:AM


There is something not quite right with a number of things in this case...

For example, the copyrighting of the ' FIND MADELEINE ON LINE STORE', set up in 2006 and run by Gerry McCanns sister, and a former pupil of hers ( and his policeman father), and the likelihood that there were other adult members of the tapas nine group at one time or another in Luz, Portugal, including the Gorrod and Carpenter couples, and Kate McCanns father?

And, then there is Jez Wilkes, in the vicinity of the McCann apartment at around the time of the first alert (9.15pm) that a child had gone missing from an apartment of the Ocean Club belonging to one of their clients - Jez Wilkes pushing his pram, containing a child, posing the question, which child?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:00:AM
Two entirely different known alerts that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann  accommodation (9.15pm and 10pm), and sandwiched in-between both of these alerts, is the alleged involvement between Jez Wilkes, Gerry McCann and Jane Tanner in the road directly outside apartment 5a...

According to Gerry McCanns version of the events, Madeleine was asleep in her bed when he did his 9.05pm check, and Jane Tanner left the tapas bar at about 9.10pm, and made three significant observations...

Firstly - she claims to have seen Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkes who had been pushing a pram at the time they were  stood talking on the McCann apartment side of the road...

Secondly - after passing McCann and Wilkes on the pavement outside the McCann apartment, Jane Tanner introduces sighting of a man carrying off a child in his arms (known as 'Tannerman)..

Thirdly - by 9.15pm and 10pm, it is known that Madeleine has gone missing..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:04:AM
Two entirely different known alerts that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann  accommodation (9.15pm and 10pm), and sandwiched in-between both of these alerts, is the alleged involvement between Jez Wilkes, Gerry McCann and Jane Tanner in the road directly outside apartment 5a...

According to Gerry McCanns version of the events, Madeleine was asleep in her bed when he did his 9.05pm check, and Jane Tanner left the tapas bar at about 9.10pm, and made three significant observations...

Firstly - she claims to have seen Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkes who had been pushing a pram at the time they were  stood talking on the McCann apartment side of the road...

Secondly - after passing McCann and Wilkes on the pavement outside the McCann apartment, Jane Tanner introduces sighting of a man carrying off a child in his arms (known as 'Tannerman)..

Thirdly - by 9.15pm and 10pm, it is known that Madeleine has gone missing..

How, do you transport the body of a child from apartment 5a, before 9.15pm, and which by 10pm that same evening, Madeleine McCann is no longer inside the McCann accommodation?

You either, walk her out, carry her out in your arms, or remove her in a pushchair...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:12:AM
Seems somewhat logical to me, to treat the sighting of the man carrying off a child in his arms by Jane Tanner at the end of the road alongside the McCann apartment (Tannerman), and the presence of Jez Wilkes with his pram on the pavement directly outside the McCanns apartment , prior to the 9.15pm alert that Madeleine was already known to have been taken, to both be regarded as prime examples concerning where the truth in this so called abduction investigation, rests...

Tannerman has all but been eliminated from any police involvement or suspicion..

Which leaves, does it not, 'PRAMMAN'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:13:AM
Then again...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:21:AM
Then again...

Other now known about events or facts may come into play..

For example, identifying the couple who were sat at a table of the restaurant at around 9.15pm, talking loudly and worryingly about the fact that a child had gone missing from one of the Ocean Clubs clients accommodation...

Whoever this couple are, knew that Madeleine McCann was no longer inside the McCann apartment by 9.15pm at the very latest...

So, who were this couple?

Kate and Gerry McCann?
Mathew and Rachel Oldfield?
Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner?
David and Fiona Payne?
The Gorrod couple?
The Carpenter couple?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:22:AM
Also, not to be overlooked...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:34:AM
Also, not to be overlooked...

Is the fact that at about 9pm, when Mathew Oldfield left the tapas bar on the pretense that he was going to hurry along David and Fiona Payne, and Diane Webster, who were late in attending the restaurant table where other members of the group were about to start their evening meal, how Mathew Oldfield did not return to the tapas bar upon being confronted by the Payne's and Diane Webster who were already en route to the restaurant, but instead Oldfield proceeded to go and check his own apartment, and subsequently the McCann family apartment (5a) before returning to the tapas restaurant..

We know, for example, that Mathew Oldfield must have returned to the tapas restaurant before 9.05pm that same evening, because it appeared as though Gerry McCanns departure to do a check of apartment 5a himself at about 9.05pm, stemmed from Oldfield telling McCann that he had checked apartment 5a...

Well, there exist two different versions of the events concerning how Mathew Oldfield checked the McCann apartment at around 9pm - one account claims that he simply listened outside the McCann Children's bedroom window, which had its shutters fully lowered. This places Mathew Oldfield on the roadside part of  block 5, and apartment 5a..

But..

In another account given to police, Mathew Oldfield declared the following detail and facts...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:47:AM

Well, there exist two different versions of the events concerning how Mathew Oldfield checked the McCann apartment at around 9pm - one account claims that he simply listened outside the McCann Children's bedroom window, which had its shutters fully lowered. This places Mathew Oldfield on the roadside part of  block 5, and apartment 5a..

But..

In another account given to police, Mathew Oldfield declared the following detail and facts...

In this second account, Mathew Oldfield claims that when he did his 9pm check of the McCann accommodation that he had entered the premises via the unlocked sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment block. Once inside how he had gone to the door of the McCann children's bedroom door and looked into the bedroom, only to discover that Madeleine McCann was nowhere to be seen. Thus, how he had then gone along to the bedroom shared by Kate and Gerry McCann to see if Madeleine was present there? Only to find that she wasn't present there at all. He told police that the two younger mcCann siblings were laid on top of the McCann parents bed, but that Madeleine was not there. How, he had them left the apartment by the same sliding patio door on the poolside of the building..

He then returned to the tapas restaurant and spoke to Gerry McCann, the gist of which caused Gerry McCann to jump up to his feet and leave the restaurant at 9.05am, intent upon checking the family apartment (5a), himself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:50:AM
What caused Gerry McCann to hurry himself back to his own apartment at 9.05pm?

Well, it surely must have been something which Mathew Oldfield had spoken to him about...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:53:AM
This is where my research into this aspect of the mystery surrounding the alleged disappearance of Madeleine McCann, came to a shuddering realisation, it was one of those 'Eureeka', moments...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:55:AM
This is where my research into this aspect of the mystery surrounding the alleged disappearance of Madeleine McCann, came to a shuddering realisation, it was one of those 'Eureeka', moments...

What I have got to say next, should warrant the imminent arrests of Mathew Oldfield and Gerry McCann in relation to 'Conspiracy to pervert the course of Justice, amongst other things...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:56:AM
I am a genius, even if I say so myself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 09:57:AM
'Prey tell', I do not hear any of you say, but in any event I shall..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:13:AM
'Prey tell', I do not hear any of you say, but in any event I shall..

OK..

We have got witness statements made to one police investigation or another in relation to what Mathew Oldfield and Gerry McCann say about the presence of otherwise of Madeleine McCann in either her bedroom, or in her parents bedroom at a key moment in the timeline. For example, at some point after Mathew Oldfield had done his 9pm check of the McCann apartment, where he discovered Madeleine not to be anywhere at all inside apartment 5a, and further, that the other two McCann siblings were laid in the parents bedroom on their bed, and upon he returning to the tapas restaurant he must have told Gerry McCann, not that everything was in order back inside or at the McCann accommodation, but rather that Madeleine was gone, she was missing from their apartment!

This, and only this, is what must have caused Gerry McCann to rise to his feet, and take off back to his family apartment (5a)..

'Madeleine is missing, Gerry, she is not in your apartment!'!!!

Lo and behold, upon arriving back at apartment 5a, McCann can't make his mind up, regarding which of the two doors he actually entered on this occasion? In one witness statement, he claimed to have entered the locked roadside door. Whilst on another occasion, he claimed to have entered the unlocked sliding patio door in the poolside of the building..

It is somewhat rather strange that both Mathew Oldfield and then Gerry McCann should both claim at one time or another that they had entered the apartment during their 9pm / 9.05pm checks, via the unlocked sliding patio door on the poolside of the building, as opposed to Oldfield having previously claimed to only have listened at the metal shutter of the McCann parents childrens bedroom window on the roadside part of the premises, and Gerry McCann had entered through the locked roadside door?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:20:AM

This, and only this, is what must have caused Gerry McCann to rise to his feet, and take off back to his family apartment (5a)..

'Madeleine is missing, Gerry, she is not in your apartment!'!!!


Hence, where the source of the information known about by 9.15pm (the couple at a dining table) came from - Mathew Oldfield...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:30:AM
More astonishingly...

According to what Mathew Oldfield and Gerry McCann told police in one witness statement or another, how was it possible for Madeleine not to be anywhere at all inside the McCann accommodation as stated by Mathew Oldfield, and that the other two McCann siblings have been both laid on top of the parents bed, in the parents bedroom, yet less than a couple or three minutes afterwards by the time Gerry McCann arrived at the same apartment (5a), not only are both of the youngest siblings (Sean and Amelia) asleep in their respective cots in the children's bedroom, but that according to Gerry McCann that Madeleine was laying in her bed, and he was stating how beautiful she looked?

How did the two young children get from being on top of the bed in the parents bedroom, into their respective cots in the children's bedroom within a matter of minutes?

Rather more disturbingly, how could Madeleine have been sleeping in her own bed in the children's bedroom, a minute or so after Mathew Oldfield had claimed that she was missing altogether from the apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:35:AM

How did the two young children get from being on top of the bed in the parents bedroom, into their respective cots in the children's bedroom within a matter of minutes?

Rather more disturbingly, how could Madeleine have been sleeping in her own bed in the children's bedroom, a minute or so after Mathew Oldfield had claimed that she was missing altogether from the apartment?

We can now rest assured, that Mathew Oldfield was the sole source of the earlier 9.15pm alert that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:39:AM
We can also be as certain as we can be, that when Gerry McCann rushed off to do his 9.05pm check of apartment 5a, that not only were not the twins (Sean and Amelia) fast asleep in their cots in their own bedroom ( because both must have still been a sleep on the parents bed, in their bedroom), but that with complete knowledge that Madeleine McCann could not possibly have been a sleep in her own bed, as Claimed by McCann..

Somebody is lying here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:43:AM
Factored into this new development, is the very reason why Jane Tanner felt it necessary to go and try and find out (9.10pm) what was taking Gerry McCann so long to do his 9.05pm check of the McCann apartment? She went looking for him because by that stage she had heard that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:46:AM
Factored into this new development, is the very reason why Jane Tanner felt it necessary to go and try and find out (9.10pm) what was taking Gerry McCann so long to do his 9.05pm check of the McCann apartment? She went looking for him because by that stage she had heard that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann apartment!

A detail which falls into the time line of the first now known alert at 9.15pm, that 'Madeleine had gone missing from apartment 5a'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 10:55:AM
Factored into this new development, is the very reason why Jane Tanner felt it necessary to go and try and find out (9.10pm) what was taking Gerry McCann so long to do his 9.05pm check of the McCann apartment? She went looking for him because by that stage she had heard that Madeleine McCann had gone missing from the McCann apartment!

Everything points to the fact that Jane Tanner had got wind, or knew that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann apartment by the time she left the tapas bar restaurant at about 9.10pm on that 3rd May 2007, evening...

She must have got that information from Mathew Oldfield, either first hand, or by word of mouth between / or other group members..

Furthermore..

That by this stage or shortly afterwards, that any would be abductor, would hardly be carrying off Madeleine McCanns body after the fact that it was already known that Madeleine had gone missing, 'a bit like putting the cart before the horse'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 11:03:AM

Furthermore..

That by this stage or shortly afterwards, that any would be abductor, would hardly be carrying off Madeleine McCanns body after the fact that it was already known that Madeleine had gone missing, 'a bit like putting the cart before the horse'...

This being true, if Jane Tanner had left the tapas restaurant at 9.10pm, already in possession of the knowledge that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann accommodation, and that with this in her mind, and in particular seeing both Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkes talking on the street pavement outside the McCann apartment, and she had seen a man carrying off a child in his arms, she would almost certainly have brought the sighting of 'Tannerman', to Gerry McCanns and Jez Wilkes attention!

Failing that she would almost certainly have paid more attention to this man...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 11:08:AM
Also, there is the matter of Russell O'Briens absence from the tapas restaurant -  he went to do a check at around 9pm, the same time as Mathew Oldfield left, and somehow was present back at the restaurant in time for him to leave once again at 9.20pm (referred to as the 9.30pm, check) again in the company of Mathew Oldfield..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 11:14:AM
Everything in this matter revolves around Mathew Oldfield's knowledge that when he did his 9pm check of the McCann apartment (5a) that Madeleine had gone awol and was missing from the McCann accommodation at this stage, and identifying the mystery couple who were expressing their concern at a restaurant table that 'Madeleine had gone missing from the McCanns accommodation' by 9.15pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 11:19:AM
Everything in this matter revolves around Mathew Oldfield's knowledge that when he did his 9pm check of the McCann apartment (5a) that Madeleine had gone awol and was missing from the McCann accommodation at this stage, and identifying the mystery couple who were expressing their concern at a restaurant table that 'Madeleine had gone missing from the McCanns accommodation' by 9.15pm...

With this in Mind...

Why wouldn't Mathew Oldfield have told anyone else, other than Gerry McCann at 9.05pm (or afterwards), that Madeleine was not present anywhere at all inside apartment 5a when he did his 9pm check?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 11:26:AM
furthermore, if Madeleine's body was not present anywhere at all inside the McCann apartment when Gerry McCann did his 9.05pm check (despite him saying that Madeleine was there, as compared to what Mathew Oldfield said in a police witness statement - that he found Madeleine missing by around 9pm), why would he (Gerry McCann) return to the tapas restaurant and pretend that everything was in order back at the McCann accommodation?

What this tells me, is that 'Gerry McCann did not return to the tapas restaurant' after he went to do this 9.05om check!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 11:43:AM
Gerry McCann was not present at the tapas restaurant at or by 9.20pm - 9.30pm, when Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien arose from their dining table to go to the apartment. He wasn't there at 9.30pm when a waiter states that the table where the McCanns had been eating along with two other couples was completely vacated. Neither was he still there at 9.45pm, when another waiter described the only person present at that dining table was Diane Webster...

It must surely follow, therefore, that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been sat at any table at the tapas restaurant at 10pm, to enable Kate to return and break the news to him, that 'Madeleine has gone, they have taken her'...

It's all a pack of lies...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2019, 12:19:PM
Gerry McCann was not present at the tapas restaurant at or by 9.20pm - 9.30pm, when Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien arose from their dining table to go to the apartment. He wasn't there at 9.30pm when a waiter states that the table where the McCanns had been eating along with two other couples was completely vacated. Neither was he still there at 9.45pm, when another waiter described the only person present at that dining table was Diane Webster...

It must surely follow, therefore, that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been sat at any table at the tapas restaurant at 10pm, to enable Kate to return and break the news to him, that 'Madeleine has gone, they have taken her'...

It's all a pack of lies...

Gerry McCann didn't have to wait until 10pm to find out that Madeleine was missing from their apartment 5a, because Mathew Oldfield told him at about 9.05pm - that 'Madeleine is not present anywhere in your apartment, she is missing' No parent needs to be told twice that their child has gone missing - but in Gerry McCanns case, he waited almost an hour (55 minutes) until his wife Kate broke the news to him at 10pm (the second alert)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 23, 2019, 06:54:AM
Forensic expert says Madeleine McCann case could be solved in a week using latest technology


Madeleine McCann Forensic Expert

A forensic expert has insisted the long-running Madeleine McCann case could be solved within a week using the latest cutting edge DNA testing.

Dr Mark Perlin has reportedly to re-analyse 18 “inconclusive” DNA samples from the investigation.

He is convinced the groundbreaking techniques used by his Pittsburgh lab Cybernetics – which identified 9/11 victims –would provide some answers.

Dr Perlin told the Daily Star: ‘What we actually need is the electronic data that comes out of the laboratory off their instruments.

A swab was from the boot of a silver Renault Scenic that Kate and Gerry McCann leased 25 days after

‘That’s the standard starting point for DNA analysis.

‘It would take us one to two weeks, depending on the data, after we receive it to provide some initial preliminary report.’

Three-year-old Maddie was taken from Praia da Luz in Portugal in May 2007 as her parents had dinner at a nearby restaurant.

At the time DNA samples were taken from swabs lifted from the McCann family’s holiday flat and a hire car after sniffer dogs allegedly detected the “scent of death”.

This vitally important swab was from the boot of a silver Renault Scenic that Kate and Gerry McCann leased 25 days after Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz.

It was one of 18 complex DNA samples which have yet to be fully understood and could hold vital clues.

The investigation reached a dead end when the tests returned as inconclusive 12 years ago.

But US expert Dr Perlin previously told Nine’s podcast investigation: ‘If a lab can produce informative data, even if it is complex and mixed, but they can’t interpret it then you can have tremendous injustice – of guilty people not being convicted, or innocent people staying in prison.

‘What is needed is an objective and accurate interpretation that can scientifically resolve the DNA.’
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 23, 2019, 07:02:AM
There should not be any more public funding spent on 'Operation Grange' until this ground breaking DNA technology has been used to either confirm that the DNA profiling associated with swabs taken from the hire car or that it wasn't or isn't Madeleine McCanns unique DNA..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 24, 2019, 10:38:AM
There has been a lot of speculation concerning the possibility that the parents moved the location of Madeleine McCanns body in the boot of the hire car, and that this event occurred just before the UK dogs arrived.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 24, 2019, 10:48:AM
There has been a lot of speculation concerning the possibility that the parents moved the location of Madeleine McCanns body in the boot of the hire car, and that this event occurred just before the UK dogs arrived.

I believe that they moved the body of Madeleine McCann by the end of July 2007, which coincided with the family moving to a different villa. Since they hired the car weeks earlier, and that they brought her body to the shallow grave situated as close as possible to St Vincent's Catholic Church in Luz, Portugal, where it still remains waiting to be recovered.A location as close as possible to hallowed ground! Bear in mind, that the church grounds and nearby area had been systematically searched during the first few days of Madeleine having gone missing..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 24, 2019, 10:51:AM
I believe that they moved the body of Madeleine McCann by the end of July 2007, which coincided with the family moving to a different villa. Since they hired the car weeks earlier, and that they brought her body to the shallow grave situated as close as possible to St Vincent's Catholic Church in Luz, Portugal, where it still remains waiting to be recovered.A location as close as possible to hallowed ground! Bear in mind, that the church grounds and nearby area had been systematically searched during the first few days of Madeleine having gone missing..

Concealing Madeleine's body at the shallow grave of the derelict building was a masterstroke by those involved, by virtue of the fact that the building and it's rear garden had already been searched and eliminated beforehand..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 25, 2019, 07:17:PM
Rumours are circulating on the internet that Madeleine McCann was gifted to the McCann parents via fertility treat?ment, and they knew that  before she was 4 years old, that they would have to hand her back because she had an advanced type of DNA, not shared by the other two McCann siblings. According to these rumours, other children conceived by fertility treatmen involving a particular consultancyt, have all to be handed back before their 4th birthdays. This is because parts of the child's body need to be taken for use in scientific experimentation in America...

If true, could large numbers of missing children throughout the world be part of this illegal enterprise?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 25, 2019, 07:44:PM
Rumours are circulating on the internet that Madeleine McCann was gifted to the McCann parents via fertility treat?ment, and they knew that  before she was 4 years old, that they would have to hand her back because she had an advanced type of DNA, not shared by the other two McCann siblings. According to these rumours, other children conceived by fertility treatmen involving a particular consultancyt, have all to be handed back before their 4th birthdays. This is because parts of the child's body need to be taken for use in scientific experimentation in America...

If true, could large numbers of missing children throughout the world be part of this illegal enterprise?
She was conceived by fertility treatment. The McCanns don't confirm whether Gerry is the natural father of the twins though. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8693799/kate-mccann-revealed-joy-conceiving-maddie/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on April 26, 2019, 11:13:AM
She was conceived by fertility treatment. The McCanns don't confirm whether Gerry is the natural father of the twins though. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8693799/kate-mccann-revealed-joy-conceiving-maddie/
I do think the comments about fertility are very intrusive and irrelevant.  GIFT IVF has been around for a long time, over 30 years, so cannot understand what the article is talking about, admittedly haven’t read most of it as don’t read that rag.  Why would anyone go through the strugglers of IVF knowing their child would be taken away when they are 4.  Can’t believe anyone could ever believe such a thing but typical of the S**.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 29, 2019, 07:07:AM
Rumours are circulating on social media that Kate McCann was an MI5 spy at the time Madeleine McCann went missing in Praia de Luz, Portugal in May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2019, 06:03:AM
A short video footage showing the McCanns and some of their friends on a airport transfer bus, captured the low mood that Gerry mcCann was in at the beginning of their holiday in Portugal. He clearly looks very worried or concerned about something, and one of his fellow tapas 7 friends simply said to Gerry McCann, in an effort to raise his spirit, 'Cheer up Gerry, your supposed to be on holiday', to which Gerry McCann responded by saying in a somewhat dismissive tone, ' Fuck off'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2019, 06:11:AM
A short video footage showing the McCanns and some of their friends on a airport transfer bus, captured the low mood that Gerry mcCann was in at the beginning of their holiday in Portugal. He clearly looks very worried or concerned about something, and one of his fellow tapas 7 friends simply said to Gerry McCann, in an effort to raise his spirit, 'Cheer up Gerry, your supposed to be on holiday', to which Gerry McCann responded by saying in a somewhat dismissive tone, ' Fuck off'...

It clearly comes across to any observer that Gerry McCann was deeply worried about one thing or another at that time (28th April 2007), and the Madeleine McCann mystery unfolded within five days of this odd behaviour viewing of the footage...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2019, 06:38:AM
There are some people who genuinely believe that Madeleine McCann did not even travel to Portugal with the parents, and that a lookalike  child accompanied them, on this vacation. In this theory, (a) something had befallen Madeleine back in the UK, or (b) that on the proviso that Madeleine did travel to Portugal with the rest of the McCann family, that it was one or other parent, or both, who simply handed the child back to someone by prior arrangement as part of a plot...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 03, 2019, 08:40:PM
After twelve years it seems strange that this paedophile hasn't yet been caught. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8996784/madeleine-mccann-suspect-paedophile-portugal-mask/

This is the allegation Mike is referring to: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8955532/fury-madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5-claim/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 07, 2019, 06:43:PM
Delving deep into the PJ files, there were apparently sightings of Madeleine McCann on 10th May 2007 in Leicester (UK)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 07, 2019, 06:45:PM
Delving deep into the PJ files, there were apparently sightings of Madeleine McCann on 10th May 2007 in Leicester (UK)...

It poses the question whether anyone related to the McCann couple, drove to Portugal and brought Madeleine back in their car via the Euro-tunnel, or ferry at Dover?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 07, 2019, 06:59:PM
I feel very strongly that Madeleine's remains are buried in the shallow grave at the back of the rear garden of the derelict building...

Why would anyone bury something in a garden where rubbish and garden waste are piled high above ground level ?

Not only that, but whoever dug the shallow grave used rubble from the road works of the church carpark, and left a metal crowbar close by...

Until someone in authority goes and digs up the shallow grave I won't let this shallow grave issue go...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 08, 2019, 11:51:PM
I think Madeleine was inside the pink painted room at some point next to what appeared to be a single bed mattress placed on the room floor, with sufficient space along side one edge of the said mattress and the room wall - Madeleines body was positioned in this gap at some stage...

The fact that a navy blue nylon kaghool, and a pair of blue jeans were found concealed beneath debris in a nearby room, along with a checked shirt, May prove to be of some significance - an eye witness saw a man wearing a dark coloured kaghool and blue jeans standing on the opposite pavement of the street outside the McCann apartment. He appeared to be staring across the street in the general direction of the McCanns apartment a few hours before Madeleine's disappearance was alerted...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2019, 03:58:PM
I think Madeleine was inside the pink painted room at some point next to what appeared to be a single bed mattress placed on the room floor, with sufficient space along side one edge of the said mattress and the room wall - Madeleines body was positioned in this gap at some stage...

The fact that a navy blue nylon kaghool, and a pair of blue jeans were found concealed beneath debris in a nearby room, along with a checked shirt, May prove to be of some significance - an eye witness saw a man wearing a dark coloured kaghool and blue jeans standing on the opposite pavement of the street outside the McCann apartment. He appeared to be staring across the street in the general direction of the McCanns apartment a few hours before Madeleine's disappearance was alerted...
Do the discarded items of clothing belong to a member of the tapas nine group? Serge Malinka, Christian B?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2019, 04:46:PM
Malinka's car was burnt out within about a quarter of a mile from the derelict building and in particular, the recently dug shallow grave in a the rear garden...

The word 'Falla' was painted on the pavement next to Malinka's burnt out vehicle, which was parked up in the street close to where the Smith family saw someone thought by them to have been Gerry McCann carrying the body of a little girl todler in his arms heading in the general direction of the beach, the village church and the rear garden of the derelict building (behind 'The Bull's public house) ..

It should also be noted that the fellow who was seen to be carrying the toddler, turned right upon approaching the cross roads adjacent to the premises of 'LUZDOC' rather the be confronted by one of the Smith children who was approaching the aforementioned cross roads at the top of some concrete steps. But none claims to have seen the man carrying the toddler, physical!!y to  proceed down those steps - everyone assumes that he did...

Whoever the man was is known to have turned right at the crossroads carrying the folder in his arms!

Within 50 yards of that junction, and travelling in the direction which 'Smithman' exited, was the location where Malinka's motor vehicle eventually got burnt out..

The burnt out car, was nowhere near the apartment where Malinka resided along with his mother...

The position of the burnt out Malinlka vehicle was a good quarter of a mile away from where Malinka was living at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, which suggests that Malinka may have had a friend who lived close to the eventual location of where his vehicle got burnt out!

I am convinced that Gerry McCann was the Smithman, and that he may have handed over Madeleine's body to Serge Malinka shortly after he was sighted by the Smith family! Additionally, I believe that Madeleines body did not get taken to the derelict building and it's rear garden immediately, but that Malinka arranged for Madeleine's body to be retained in the mystery apartment which Scotland Yard know featured in Madeleine McCanns disappearance. It is also believed that Madeleine's remains were temporarily concealed in a freezer belonging to the owners / tenant's of the said apartment..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2019, 05:01:PM
One thing which seems so obvious to me, is that the local criminals who resided in and around the general location where Malinka's car got burnt out, and in the vicinity of the sighting of Smithman, knew what really happened to Madeleine McCann..

She was already dead by the time Madeleine fell into the clutches of Malinka, Christian B, and the others ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 15, 2019, 05:05:PM
One thing which seems so obvious to me, is that the local criminals who resided in and around the general location where Malinka's car got burnt out, and in the vicinity of the sighting of Smithman, knew what really happened to Madeleine McCann..

She was already dead by the time Madeleine fell into the clutches of Malinka ..

Telephone records which proved that Gerry McCann and another member of the tapas nine group member were deliberately erased from the memory of their personal mobile phones, which related to contact between McCann and another group member, Robert Murat and Serge Malinka which took place at around 9.30pm, on the evening of Madeleine's disappearance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 16, 2019, 11:52:PM
Telephone records which proved that Gerry McCann and another member of the tapas nine group member were deliberately erased from the memory of their personal mobile phones, which related to contact between McCann and another group member, Robert Murat and Serge Malinka which took place at around 9.30pm, on the evening of Madeleine's disappearance..
How did this relate to Gerry McCann? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551981/Mobile-phone-mystery-in-Madeleine-hunt.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2019, 08:51:PM
How did this relate to Gerry McCann? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551981/Mobile-phone-mystery-in-Madeleine-hunt.html
this article refers to a purported telephone call between Malinka and Robert Murat, I am talking about the erased phone call records from Gerry McCanns mobile phone from 9.30pm, onwards between them. Furthermore, Robert Murat was recognised near the Baptiste supermarket by other members of the tapas 9 group at around 10pm that same evening - a claim Murat denied at first by stating he was with a girlfriend, but later changing his story that he had been inside his mother's villa all night with her. Well, I think at about 9pm that evening Murat's mother left her villa to go shopping at the Baptiste supermarket, so with that in mind, Robert Murat could not have been with his mother throughout the entire evening. It would probably have taken Mrs Murat half an hour or so to walk from her villa to the supermarket, to then do her shopping and walk back home to her own villa. A period of time which gave an opportunity for Robert Murat to have left his mother's villa and visited the general area where the McCanns apartment was situated. From there, he could easily have been present in the vicinity of the McCann apartment and or the Baptiste supermarket by around 10pm, in order for at least four members of the tapas 9 group to place him there at around that time. Why would the 4 group members all tell a deliberate lie about whether or not they had seen Robert Murat where they said they had seen him?

It is somewhat coincidental that there is an hour long period of say between 9 and 10pm on that evening where the presented facts from various parties to the matter, do not appear to be accurately telling the truth about who was where, who did what, and the time which Madeleine was found to be missing, ranging from as early as 9pm when Mathew Oldfield did a check of the McCann apartment (5a) at just after 9pm, that evening, and discovering that Madeleine was not in her bed in the children's bedroom, nor was she present in the parents bedroom. A fact which he relayed to Gerry McCann upon his return to the tapas restaurant at around 9.05pm. of course, by this time, Gerry McCann was concerned about what Mathew Oldfield had just told him, that Madeleine was missing from the family apartment. By 9.15pm that same evening, people who were sat eating dinner and drinking alcoholic drinks knew that the McCann child (Madeleine) had gone missing from the apartment - that's two alerts, one timed at around 9pm by Mathew Oldfield that Madeleine was missing, and within the next 15 minutes it appears that several people who were sat at restaurant tables were openly and excitedly talking about Madeleine having gone missing. OK, so we have Mathew Oldfield alerting the McCann parents, or to at least one parent (Gerry McCann, that before Gerry McCann left the tapas bar restaurant at 9.05pm, that it was k own by himself, and Mathe)w Oldfield that Madeleine was no longer visible or present anywhere at all inside the McCann holiday apartment. So, it's odds on that the reason why Gerry McCann rushed off to do a check of his own of the key apartment, that he rushed back to the apartment to satisfy himself that Mathew Oldfield had made a fatal mistake in claiming that Madeleine had vanished by that stage. This is born out by the claim made by Gerry McCann himself that he physically saw Madeleine laying on her bed, and realised how beautiful she was at that time. So McCann leaves the children sleeping in 5a and returns back to the tapas bar restaurant. It is clear that by the time Gerry McCann returned to the tapas bar, that Kate had not doesn't to her feet at 9.30pm intent on doing her 9.30pm check, when Gerry was still absent from the tapas bar, and that neither Mathew Oldfield or Russell O'Brien could have risen to do a check on their own children, and volunteering  to do the check on the McCann apartment , when until after Gerry McCann returned at the tapas bar having seemingly verified that Madeleine and the two McCann siblings were all well and safely tucked in bed..

So by that stage there were clearly two events washers one party or another, or one person or another had already been alerted to the fact that Madeleine was known to be missing at 9pm, and secondly that guests in the tapas bar were in fact acknowledging that one of the McCann children had gone missing out of the family apartment  by 9.15pm. and that this was followed after the return of Gerry McCann to the tapas bar that Madeleine wasn't missing after all...

And then, as if by magic, by around 9.30om that same evening Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Kate McCann all got to their feet at one and the same time, all intent on doing a check on the children in the apartments. In particular, a further check on apartment 5a so soon after Gerry McCann had only just got back from checking that apartment. So, Oldfield and O'Brien convince Kate McCann to go and sit back down at the restaurant table on the understanding that they would do the scheduled check-in the McCann parents behalf. Ion any event, what transpires is that Mathew Oldfield does a check of apartment 5a and he satisfies himself that Madeleine must be a sleep either on her bed, or wrapped up beneath a blanket. So he returns to the tapas bar restaurant to apparently break the news to both Gerry and Kate McCann that there was no problems with the three siblings back at their apartment, effectively altering the course of the investigation, because at that stage there had been four events worthy of consideration in connection with whether or not Madeleine had been missing, since at 9pm Mathew Oldfield had alerted the others to the fact that Madeleine had not been present in the McCann apartment at that stage. This triggered off a reaction in Gerry McCanns mindset causing him to race back to the fact it apartment to see for himself whether or not Madeleine was missing, or not. However in the I version period between the pm Oldfield alert, and after Gerry McCanns reaction which included some sort of a delay in him returning back to the tapas bar, it seems that news about Madeleine having gone missing from the McCanns apartment had started to circulate amongst the other guests, certainly by 9.15pm. This was followed by the subsequently alleged return of Gerry McCann back to the restaurant bar bearing the great news that Madeleine wasn't missing, and had not in fact been missing at all beforehand..

Then Mathew did his 9.30pom check of the McCann apartment, and by that stage be was satisfied that Madeleine must have been sleeping in her bed...

We then are led to believe that half an hour or so later at around 19pm, that Kate McCann rose to her feet to take her turn at checking in the kids and their apartment.

Well, first of all, I do not believe for one moment
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2019, 07:23:AM
I do not accept or believe that Gerry McCann ever returned to the tapas bar restaurant after 9.15am to allegedly confirm that Madeleine was safely tucked up in her bed. He did not return from his let's call it his 9.05pm check until after 10.30pm. now this becomes extremely important and critical in helping us to decide if, as Gerry McCanns narrative goes, we accept that during McCanns 9.05pm check, Madeleine was ever present inside apartment 5a, let alone that she might have still been alive by that stage..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2019, 07:30:AM
I do not accept or believe that Gerry McCann ever returned to the tapas bar restaurant after 9.15am to allegedly confirm that Madeleine was safely tucked up in her bed. He did not return from his let's call it his 9.05pm check until after 10.30pm. now this becomes extremely important and critical in helping us to decide if, as Gerry McCanns narrative goes, we accept that during McCanns 9.05pm check, Madeleine was ever present inside apartment 5a, let alone that she might have still been alive by that stage..

In fact, by the time McCann did his so called 9.05pm check of his children and the family apartment, Madeleine was almost certainly already dead and her body had been concealed somewhere outside the apartment, either amounst the shrubbery, trees and plants of the poolside garden of the McCann apartment, or as the case may be, her body had been transferred to some other premises whilst arrangements were being made to dispose of Madeleine's body, prior to any alert being raised to the effect that Madeleine had in fact only just been reported to be missing..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2019, 09:19:AM
Now..

If McCann did not return to the tapas bar restaurant after he did his 9.05pm check of his children and the claim that he had done, or did is part of an elaborate plott to keep the idea that Madeleine had still been alive until the time of Gerry McCans 9.05pm apartment check, how is it possible for him to have supposedly returned to the tapas bar restuarant to declare that Madeleine was not missing, because he had just returned from the apartment and Madeleine was sleeping soundly in / on her bed in the same bedroom as the McCanns other two siblings?

Basically what I am suggesting is that if Gerry McCann did not return at all to the tapas bar restaurant after his 9.05pm check of the kids and the family apartment, he could not have informed any of the others who were still sat at the restaurant tables to the effect that Madeleine had been found, and was in fact sleeping soundly in or on to)p of her bed...

At this juncturedfield and McCann d then what we are left with an alert by Mathew Oldfield that from as early as 9pm that particular evening Madeleine was not present anywhere at all inside apartment 5a, followed by (once Gerry McCann had raced off to do his own checking at around 9.05pm) other people talking excitedly about the disappearance of one on the McCann parents siblings, already by 9.15pm...

This then moves us onto the claim that at around 9.30pm three members of the so called tapas 9 group all arose from their seats, intent upon going to do a check on their own children inside their own apartments ( Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield and Kate McCann) culminating in Oldfield' and O'Brien managing to persuade Kate that she should sit back down and that they would do her check on her behalf...

Well, let's investigate the implications of this so called 9.30pm check of the O'Brien, Oldfield and McCann parents..

Firstly, Gerry McCann had not returned back to the tapas restaurant bar after he had embarked on his 9.05pm security check. Secondly, once Gerry McCann had reacted to the news given to him by Mathew Oldfield, other holiday guests had suddenly picked up on the fact / suggestion that one of the McCann siblings had gone missing from the family apartment, and this was the gist of conversation at and by around 9.15pm of other members of the so-called McCann entourage, or other guests...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2019, 09:25:AM

Firstly, Gerry McCann had not returned back to the tapas restaurant bar after he had embarked on his 9.05pm security check. Secondly, once Gerry McCann had reacted to the news given to him by Mathew Oldfield, other holiday guests had suddenly picked up on the fact / suggestion that one of the McCann siblings had gone missing from the family apartment, and this was the gist of conversation at and by around 9.15pm of other members of the so-called McCann entourage, or other guests...

Infact, by the time Gerry McCann set off from the tapas restaurant bar to do his 9.05pm check of his kids and the family apartment (5a), Madeleine McCann had already been long since dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 21, 2019, 09:30:AM
Infact, by the time Gerry McCann set off from the tapas restaurant bar to do his 9.05pm check of his kids and the family apartment (5a), Madeleine McCann had already been long since dead...

Furthermore, her body had long since already been removed from apartment 5a and taken to a secure location prior to the occasion once the police and the general public had been alerted to the alleged circumstances and  disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann from apartment 5a on that particular evening (3rd of May, 2007)...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 22, 2019, 04:55:PM
I do not accept or believe that Gerry McCann ever returned to the tapas bar restaurant after 9.15am to allegedly confirm that Madeleine was safely tucked up in her bed. He did not return from his let's call it his 9.05pm check until after 10.30pm. now this becomes extremely important and critical in helping us to decide if, as Gerry McCanns narrative goes, we accept that during McCanns 9.05pm check, Madeleine was ever present inside apartment 5a, let alone that she might have still been alive by that stage..
He is taking a risk that nobody would see him with Madeleine's body. Was she small enough to be stuffed into a holdall bag? Why has the man seen holding a child by Jane Tanner at 9:15pm and an Irish holidaymaker 45 minutes later been ruled out by the Metropolitan Police as a suspect when he never came forward and has never been traced? https://www.heart.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-timeline/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2019, 12:54:AM
He is taking a risk that nobody would see him with Madeleine's body.  Yes, The Smith contingent saw him carrying madeleine away. Other than the Smith group members who Gerry McCann had to walk passed, he apparently was not confronted by anyone else Was she small enough to be stuffed into a holdall bag? Yes, but not at that time, the use of the holdall did not come into play until later on when her remains were in fact buried inside the said holdall (The holdall in question was captured photographically on a shelf in a wardrobe of the parents bedroom on the evening that Madeleine was reported missing) Why has the man seen holding a child by Jane Tanner at 9:15pm I think TANNERMAN (as allegedly sighted by Jane Tanner) to be unreliable, in view of the alerts to Madeleine being missing, or been taken, as mentioned or linked to the 9pm check of the McCann apartment (5A) by Mathew Oldfield, and it already being common knowledge that the McCann child was missing at 9.15pm by a couple sat at a table in the restaurant, and Kate McCanns claim that at around 10pm, whilst engaged in her check of the family apartment she discovered that Madeleine had gone missing, or to be more precise, when she is supposed to have blurted out upon returning to the tapas bar ' They have taken her, Madeleine is gone'. Just to recap, Mathew Oldfield knew at the time of his 9pm check of the McCann apartment that Madeleine was not present anywhere at all inside apartment 5A at that stage. And, how could an unidentified couple who were sat at the tapas bar restaurant know that Madeleine had gone missing long before Kate McCanns 10pm check? Added to this at least two members of staff confirmed that the table where the tapas nine group members had been seated during the serving of their evening meal, was empty by 9.30pm, and that during the entire period between 9.45pm and 10pm, that there was only a middle aged female sat at the same table? If none of the tapas nine group were sat at their dining table from 9.30pm, onwards, and only one female member was sat there from and between 9.45pm - 10 pm, how the devil could Kate McCann have got up around 10pm for the purpose of going back to her family apartment to, as it were check on her children? Furthermore, how could she have returned back to the tapas restaurant at around 10pm to break the devastating news to everyone else that Madeleine had been taken (by them) if they were all not there by that stage? and an Irish holidaymaker 45 minutes later been ruled out by the Metropolitan Police as a suspect when he never came forward and has never been traced?  The person seen carrying off Madeleine by the Smith contingent could not come forward or the game would be up because that person was / is Gerry McCann  https://www.heart.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-timeline/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 27, 2019, 01:18:AM
I understand that police are returning to Praia de Luz intent on searching and digging to try and locate Madeleines body acting upon new information. Apparently all the areas which had originally been searched around the time Madeleine was declared to be missing are to be searched again, with support of ground penetrating detecting technology, and Cadaver / blood hounds. I note with particular interest that one of the areas which has been pinpointed is the coastline / beach next to the walled garden of the all important derelict building. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the rear garden of the derelict building where I discovered what to all intents and purpose was a shallow grave situated in a hollow close to reeds and the sea wall beyond, I am convinced that Madeleines remains will be found inside the missing holdall that is often talked about.


If I were the police, I would check the location of the shallow grave in the garden of the derelict building firstly because to my knowledge that was / is the only place in Praia De Luz where a small grave  has been identified...


If the police go there asap, the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be resolved - key evidence thereafter will focus upon how the missing holdall ended up with Madeleines remains trapped inside it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2019, 05:15:PM
I understand that police are returning to Praia de Luz intent on searching and digging to try. and locate Madeleines body acting upon new information. Apparently all the areas which had originally been searched around the time Madeleine was declared to be missing are to be searched again, with support of ground penetrating detecting technology, and Cadaver / blood hounds. I note with particular interest that one of the areas which has been pinpointed is the coastline / beach next to the walled garden of the all important derelict building. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the rear garden of the derelict building where I discovered what to all intents and purpose was a shallow grave situated in a hollow close to reeds and the sea wall beyond, I am convinced that Madeleines remains will be found inside the missing holdall that is often talked about.


If I were the police, I would check the location of the shallow grave in the garden of the derelict building firstly because to my knowledge that was / is the only place in Praia De Luz where a small grave  has been identified...


If the police go there asap, the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be resolved - key evidence thereafter will focus upon how the missing holdall ended up with Madeleines remains trapped inside it...


The parents know what really happened to Madeleine, and they also know where their daughters remains are concealed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2019, 05:23:PM
Madeleine never left Prai de Luz she remains there waiting to be found...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2019, 06:54:PM
And lets be frank regarding whether or not the derelict building itself, its rear garden, or the shallow grave where I strongly suspect they concealed her body - At one time or another Madeleine was in that derelict building, in the rear garden, and I feel sure that the shallow grave that I discovered in June 2010 yards away from the village church (St Vincents) is the last resting place of her body...

Here's why I believe this to be true..

For a start, during the early days and weeks after Madeleine was reported missing, the parents spent many a night taking shelter inside the village church, which is situated within a stones throw of the all important derelict building,  (no. 5 ), making it somewhat convenient for one or other parent (or both) to slip into the grounds of that building where they hid Madeleine's body at first in a pink coloured room which had a window facing directly across the road with a clear view of the church entrance. I believe that I am correct in saying that Madeleines body was kept inside that pink painted room, trapped between the edge of a single bed mattress and the outside wall of the building. It really came as something of a surprise to me, that photographs taken by me inside that derelict building, produced an image of a little girl trapped in the aforementioned gap, which led me to believe that what was captured there in that room was residual energy belonging to Madeleine McCann. When I took the photographs there was nothing visible to the naked eye, it was only later when I returned home to South Yorkshire and was browsing through all the photographs which I had taken, that the image of what I believe to be the ghost of Maddy materialized. The parents visiting the church at night time, and the pink coloured room, with its window facing toward the church, were ideally positioned so that with one parent in the room of the derelict building who was attending to Madeleine's body, was able to see the other parent at the entrance to the church - a measure undertaken because when one of the parents was in attendance inside the building with Madeleines remains, he or she could not simply walk out into the street from the derelict building, they couldn't risk being seen by anybody visiting or leaving the derelict building and its grounds - one or other was required to be standing at the entrance of the church, from where he or she had got a perfect view of the road and pavements either side of the derelict building itself, and this allowed one or other parent to signal when the road was clear, so that the other could cross back to the village church..

Now the position of the shallow grave that I discovered, was found to be in sight of the church steeple - the shallow looking grave is in a hollow toward the boundary wall of the rear garden. What attracted me to this grave, was the fact that if u stood directly on top of the disturbed ground there, looking back in the direction of the church, u get a perfect view of the church tower. Added to this, was the fact that everywhere else in that rear garden had got piles and piles of rubbish strewn about and upon it. The discovery of that very small shallow grave caused me to wonder why in such an untidy rear garden where everything from wood, and gardening waste was tossed or left mounting up in piles above ground level everywhere u cared to look, somebody had dug a shallow grave, located in a hollow near the back corner of the garden?

Furthermore, it appeared somewhat obvious to me, that whoever had dug that shallow looking grave, there in that hollow of the garden, Had used an iron bar to prize out of the earth a number of large stones, which had been left almost in single file travelling in the general direction of the sea beyond the boundary wall. Standing close at the hole, I noticed that the person who had dug it, and refilled it, had done so using rubble from the building works around the church across the street.

Why would anybody dig a shallow grave in the hollow of the back garden of this derelict building, and spend time lining up large stones which had been dug out of the earth in a somewhat a uniformed pattern? Why, also fill the top part of the grave back in (not with the stone and earth removed from it in its creation) but instead leave the grounds of the derelict building and cross over to the other side of the street where building work had been taking place, and collect debris from there for the purpose of topping off the grave and its concealed elements?

What lies buried in that shallow grave?

Me thinks its where the remains of Madeleine McCann were and are concealed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2019, 06:59:PM
More insight into my discovery of the shallow grave, will follow..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2019, 10:29:PM
More insight into my discovery of the shallow grave, will follow..

Thus far, I have identified some rather tenuous links between the parents, Madeleine, her disappearance from apartment 5A, the unacceptable manner with which the members of the tapas nine group couldn't even get their stories right about when and by whom Madeleine had supposedly vanished off the face of Praia de Luz. Indeed, there was the pink pyjamas that Madeleine was supposed to have been wearing on the evening of her alleged disappearance, and the pink room of the derelict building, a matter of yards from St Vincents church across the street, where the McCann parents sought refuge during the first few nights, on the pretence that they were hiding from the press who were hounding them. The fact that the location of the discovered shallow grave in a hollow in the rear garden of the derelict building, should be isolated so close in proximity to the church where the parents had sought refuge. Then of course the fact that the McCann parents are supposedly devote Christians or Catholic? The church and religion, even extending to a visit by the parents to visit the pope at the Vatican, getting him to bless a photograph which had at some point previously captured the innocent of her young life...


Then there is the ghostly image of what I believe to be the ghost of Madeleine McCann, or at the very least her residual energy with her body compactly placed in a small space between the edge of a bed mattress and the pink coloured room wall where the image manifested itself. How utterly remarkable, that this spiritual image of what I believe to be Madeleine should appear in a room of the derelict building which had a window facing directly across the street where the entrance to St Vincents church, afforded one or other the midnight entries into that place where I am convinced Madeleines body was taken, and eventually hidden away in a shallow grave, which coincidentally is a place from which the church clock tower can easily be seen, or viewed. Whoever put Madeleines remains into that shallow grave was a religious person, the grave had to be in sight or the vicinity of hallowed ground.

Why would anyone dig a shallow grave to conceal something of no importance, in a rear garden where everything else was simply tossed onto the ground, not concealed below it...


Of course, then there are the large stones that were gouged out of the ground of the grave, laid out in a line against a garden wall like some sort of recognition for what was done, someone keeping a tab of the number of days, and nights which had passed since the date when Madeleines grave was dug out of the earth. Further evidence that whoever concealed Madeleines remains there in a paupers grave, with no headstone, or angel or a cross to bring some sort of dignity to her demise - the best those that put her remains there could possibly do was to bury Madeleines remains within earshot of the village church...


Inside the derelict building itself, a similar method adopted by the undertakers, was found chalked onto a door and the frame of the door, seemingly as a record of elapsed time, since Madeleine was put into that grave..


Large rocks placed in a lined sequence, from the shallow grave in the hollow of the rear garden, stretching out towards the sea, and the chalked crosses found on a door and its door frame inside the derelict building seem to confirm that somebody was keeping a record of events in times gone by...


Inside another room of the derelict building, other startling discoveries of a suspiciously coincidental nature fall to be considered -  The sighting of the so called 'TANNERMAN' by Jane Tanner  at a crucial point of time (at around 9.10pm). Now, why if Madeleines disappearance from the family apartment was not noticed by Kate McCann until around 10pm, does Jane Tanner introduce her alleged sighting of 'TANNERMAN' when she did? Well there is much to be said about such a scripture being introduced at such a precise time, some 50 minutes or so before Kate went to do her 10pm check, and that reason was that Mathew Oldfield had been inside the McCanns apartment during his so called 9pm check, at which stage he could not find Madeleine anywhere at all either in the children's bedroom, or her parents bedroom. Mathew Oldfield was the source of the first reported disappearance of Madeleine, which caused Gerry McCann to dash off from the restaurant table intent on going to do a check of his own at their apartment and their children. Evidence exists to confirm that Madeleines disappearance was known about by people and members of staff from around 9.10pm - 9.15pm, that evening. That news could only have come from the mouth of Mathew Oldfield, upon his return to the tapas restaurant after his 9pm check of the apartments.


Everything falls into place once you grasp the actual sequence of events...


Kate McCann was not the person who discovered that Madeleine was missing at 10pm, Mathew Oldfield was at the time of his 9pm checks of the McCann apartment and their children. Oldfield broke the news to Gerry McCann at about 9.05pm, and Gerry McCann's reaction was to appear concerned by dashing off immediately to the family apartment, a check which I do not for one moment believe he ever did himself as a result of his narrative. And then there is Jane Tanner, intent on introducing the alleged sighting of 'TANNERMAN' by 9.10pm...


Rather coincidental that at about 9.10pm that evening Jane Tanner decides to go and try to find out why Gerry McCann was taking longer than normal to return to the restaurant after doing his 9.05pm check?


By the time Jane Tanner left the tapas bar restaurant to go hunting down Gerry McCann, the cat was already out of the bag. There were people who knew that Madeleine was supposedly missing. Jane Tanner herself knew this because of what Mathew Oldfield had told her and the others that Madeleine was nowhere to be seen of found when he had done his 9pm check of the McCann apartment. The delay in the return of Gerry McCann to the tapas bar restaurant after his stormy exit at 9.05pm, was of some concern to Jane Tanner, and the other members of the group, she must have thought or believed that there could be something true regarding what Mathew Oldfield had told everyone when he returned to the tapas bar from his 9pm checks - so, out of curiosity Jane Tanner went to investigate the reason for a delay in his return. Once she saw Gerry McCann talking to his tennis friend Jez Wilkins in the street outside the McCanns apartment, she didn't need to intrude on Gerry and Jez's conversation, but she later introduced the lie about her alleged sighting of 'TANNERMAN', seen as she alleges to be carrying off a child which could have been Madeleine McCann...


Now, pause for a moment, think about it - why would any would be abductor be seen to be walking away from the vicinity of the McCann apartment (roadside door of building) after Mathew Oldfield had already confirmed that Madeleine was not present inside the McCann apartment when he had physically checked beforehand (some 10 minutes earlier)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2019, 11:19:PM
What I find intriguing, is the claim that at about 9.30pm, that evening, how Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien rose from their restaurant table and volunteered to do Kate McCanns 9.30pm check of her own apartment, and that Russell Obrien did not return back to the tapas restaurant along with Mathew Oldfield, under an excuse that one of his children was unwell with sickness etc....


I don't believe this explanation of his, or theirs to be true for one moment...

The truth of the matter is that Gerry McCann did not return to the tapas restaurant after he had got up and left to do his 9.05pm check. He remained at his apartment or in the close vicinity of that place until Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restaurant to do their 9.30pm checks...


The claim that Russell O'Briens child had been unwell, causing him not to return to the tapas restaurant at any stage after the scheduled 9.30pm check has to be fictional as far as I am concerned. What I suspect actually happened was that between them Oldfield, Obrien and Gerry McCann concocted a false alibi for Gerry McCann. I believe that Mathew Oldfield did return alone to the tapas restaurant, but that there was good cause and reason for Russell O'Brien and Gerry McCann to remain absent from there...


Seems to me that at the heart of this matter were two children, both around the same age, the Obrien child, and the McCann one...


Each adult male, was tasked with (a) either carrying off Madeleines corpse, or and (b) carrying the Obrien child on a hurried walk down towards the sea front...


I do not believe that the Smith contingent saw Gerry McCann carrying off his dead daughters body..

I believe that Gerry McCann was the person seen by the Smith family, but that he was carrying the Obrien child on this occasion. I think its odds on that Russell O'Brien took on the task of removing Madeleines body from apartment 5a, that evening. I also believe that Gerry McCann wanted to be seen by somebody like the Smith contingent and that at the time of the sighting, he was not carrying off a dead daughter, but the female child of Russell O'Briens…

Russell O'Briens absence from the tapas bar after the joint 9.30pm check along with Mathew Oldfield, had something with him to do with moving Madeleines body from the immediate vicinity of the McCann apartment, and that Gerry McCann used the O'Brien child as a decoy. I think they had been planning to suggest that the two young female children could have walked away from their respect apartments and gone awol, and that one of the children had been found wandering the nearby streets (the O'Brien daughter), found by Gerry McCann, but with no trace of Madeleine. Everything is pointing to the O'Brien, Jane Tanner child, and Madeleine having wandered off, with the O'Brien child being found, but not Madeleine...


For some inexplicable reason, these plans had to be altered, and it made out falsely of course, that Gerry McCann had indeed returned to the tapas restaurant at sometime between 9.15pm - 9.30pm that same evening, from his 9.05pm check of the McCann apartment...


They settled on the story that Russell O'Brien had not returned to the restuarant after his 9.30pm check of his own apartment and  children, bercause his and Jane Tanners daughter was unwell...


By that stage, Gerry McCann had instigated his return to the restuarant soon after his 9.05pm apartment / children check...

But that is a lie..

He did not return to the restuarant after leaving to do his so called 9.05 (or thereabouts) check. I think he returned back in the vicinty of apartment 5a at about 11pm, or later.


In the case of Russell O'Brien, he took Madeleines body / remains somewhere close by, and that he was back as a serving customer at the restuarant by 9.40pm - 9.45pm. Of course, this  is pure speculation, but the mind can be very powerful and precise, O'Brien returned to the restuarant and ate his evening meal, and by 9.45pm at the very latest he was back at the meal table, to eat his warmed up meal...



Gerry McCann and Kate McCann, know what really and truly happenned to Madeleine their daughter. I also believe that Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner and Kate and Gerry McCann have all sought to conspire to pervert the course of justice, and that they should immediately, and forthwith face prosecution...





Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2019, 11:26:PM

Gerry McCann and Kate McCann, know what really and truly happenned to Madeleine their daughter. I also believe that Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner and Kate and Gerry McCann have all sought to conspire to pervert the course of justice, and that they should immediately, and forthwith face preosecution...

Anybody else, in similar circumstances would have been arrested by the UK police and prosecuted. The criminal justice system appears to be attempting to look after its own kind...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 03:32:AM
Madeleine is dead, its not just me saying it, there is also a body of expert opinion that she is no longer alive!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 04:24:AM
Another rather strange coincidence, concerns the alleged sighting of 'TANNERMAN' by Jane Tanner, a man seen carrying of a child in his arms, and the discovery by me of a tube of insecticide on a table inside the derelict building named 'BAYGON'. An advertising image for this product shows a masked man wielding a machete whilst carrying off a young woman. Jane Tanners photofit of the man she claims she saw was a faceless character, a representation of the masked offender associated with and to the 'BAYGON' product. If Gerry McCann did not return back to the tapas restaurant after his departure from there at around 9.05pm, despite himself making out a false claim that he had done, and remained there until Kate raised the alarm at about 10pm, it would appear that Jane Tanners introduction of 'TANNERMAN' at the same time she allegedly saw Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins talking to one another in the street outside the McCann apartment, and the later claims that Gerry McCann had returned to the tapas restaurant after his 9.05pm accommodation check, where he allegedly remained until Kates 10pm check, was designed to provide Gerry McCann with a dodgy alibi..


Jane Tanners assertion that she had seen a man carrying a child aged about 3yrs to 4years, in his arms walking away from the direction of the roadside door or bedroom window across the road junction further up the road travelling in the general direction of Robert Murats, and the Carpenter couples accommodation, which matches with the advertisement image associated with the insecticide product that I found on a table inside the derelict building in June 2010. Rather somewhat disturbingly the ghostlike apparition that I captured of a little girl laying trapped in a space between the edge of a bed mattress and the wall in the pink painted bedroom wall, appears to show that there is what appears to either be blood or evidence of severe vomiting in relation to the said manifestation of Madeleine McCanns soul / entity in the region of her throat, neck and chest areas. If the visible staining in the image of the spirit like manifestation was blood, it rather helps to make some sense of the advertisement image of the insecticide ( 'BAYGON' ) product, and in particular the wielding of the machete by the abductor whilst carrying off a woman in his arms, in a similar fashion to how Jane Tanner described the would be abductor of Madeleine had carried off Madeleine in his arms...


The tenuous link being the carrying of the machete by the man in the advertising image linked to the tube of 'BAYGON' insecticide found on a table in a connecting room at the place where the ghost of Maddie image was captured by me in June 2010 - the discolouring of the ghostly image visible in the region of the throat, neck and chest is capable of lending support to the suggestion that Madeleines body, in particular her apparent throat, neck and chest injuries could have been caused by some attempt or other to revive or to keep Madeleine alive including a possibility that some sort of an emergency operation could have been carried out in an attempt to revive or keep Madeleine alive...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 08:52:AM
Gerry and Kate McCanns love for a bottle of wine or two, should not go amiss, because found inside the derelict building by myself were a couple of empty wine bottles of the parents favored choice. With this in mind, the bar coding on the bottle was capable of revealing the identity of the suspect, or suspects, responsible for disposing of Madeleine's body, there in the rear garden of that building. Many people pay for groceries and other items using a credit, visa or MasterCard, instead of cash...

Failing that, there would always be a very strong possibility that whoever was responsible in this period of the disposal of the remains of Madeleine, might have left their fingerprints, and of course their unique DNA profile upon those empty bottles of wine.

More interestingly, a set of clothing was discovered by me, which had been concealed underneath items strewn about on one of the buildings other rooms...

These items of clothing have become of much concern since at least two of the garments which I stumbled upon appear to match clothing worn by an unknown suspect who was spotted by an eye witness standing in the street close to the McCann apartment, who was peering in the general direction of that apartment, wearing a pair of light coloured blue jeans, and a blue or a dark nylon coloured kaghool. Safe to say, that two of the three items I discovered inside the derelict building, two of them could match or do match the items of clothing worn by the as yet unidentified suspect seen to have been carrying out observations from the strett outside the McCann apartment - namely, the light coloured blue jeans, and the dark blue coloured nylon kaghool. A third item of distinctive clothing, namely a greenish checkered shirt /top which I thought might help to identify the person to whom these three items of clothing had been worn during the disposal process of Madeleine McCanns body, could very well have been worn by the suspect beneath his dark coloured kaghool at the time he was sighted looking toward the McCann apartment just before Madeleine disappeared...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 09:19:AM
Rather more alarmingly, traces of bodily fluids, human hair and DNA would almost certainly have become deposited on those three items of clothing, including identifiable traces of Madeleine McCanns DNA, if that be the place and location where she was taken for her body to be disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 09:27:AM
The area of the small gap between the edge of a bed mattress and a pink coloured outside wall in which the image which I took of what I believe to be 'THE GHOST OF MADELEINE McCann' were potential areas inside the derelict building which would have been a possible source for the retention of key body samples, bodily fluids and of course, unique DNA samples / or profiles...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 09:30:AM
Conducting a full and intensive fingerprint examination of this derelict building would almost certainly identify whoever was spending the night guarding the secret concerning where the body of Madeleine was concealed and disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 09:41:AM
The method of disposing of those three key pieces of clothing evidence by those or that person was one involving a desire by whoever to hide, bury or conceal whatever it was they had been involved in, rather than simply discard whatever it was they intended to dispose of and conceal, like the garden waste, logs, tree stumps, and piles and piles of rotting vegetation - this is why I believe the burying of Madeleine's body in the shallow grave at the hollow of the rear garden, suggests there was/is a link between that feature and the concealment of the three pieces of distinctive clothing found by me inside the derelict building in June 2010...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 10:04:AM
if we proceed on the footing that the image I took in the pink painted bedroom of the derelict building to not be  an image of Madeleine's physical body whilst she was alive on this earth, but merely a residual representation of her body, or spirit prior to being interned in that shallow grave in the hollow of the rear garden of those premises (please bear with me), upon close inspection there appears to be wounds caused not only to her throat, neck and the upper part of her body where she potentially bled out, and the region of her groin, and her abdomen...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 10:10:AM
if we proceed on the footing that the image I took in the pink painted bedroom of the derelict building to not be  an image of Madeleine's physical body whilst she was alive on this earth, but merely a residual representation of her body, or spirit prior to being interned in that shallow grave in the hollow of the rear garden of those premises (please bear with me), upon close inspection there appears to be wounds caused not only to her throat, neck and the upper part of her body where she potentially bled out, and the region of her groin, and her abdomen...
Then, we can perhaps see why and try to understand Kate McCanns comments in her published book, entitled simply 'MADELEINE', where she talks about Madeleine's little genitals being torn and ripped apart...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 10:19:AM
What a horrible thing to say and to publish at the peril of being exposed as a potential pedophile, who only includes such a reference in her book to it, but there was reasoning of sorts in the minds of those responsible for actually disposing of, hiding or concealing the body of Madeleine McCann..

My first instinct when challenged with the prospect of trying to come to terms with these factors was to believe that even if Madeline did and had died in some sort of an accident inside the McCann apartment, or whenever, that the parents and other members of the so-called tapas 9 group were more concerned with the strong possibility that Madeleine McCann was a victim of child sex abuse, at the hands of various members of the adult contingent of that group..

And..

that at any forthcoming inquest, any pathologist worth his or her weight in salt, would have easily found such evidence that Madeleine McCann was a sex abuse victim. This was and is why the parents and other members of their contingent keep harping on about the possibility that Madeleine had been abducted by pedophiles - but the truth of the matter was that Madeleine McCann was almost certainly exposed to acts of sexual abuse by members of the group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2019, 10:35:AM
What a horrible thing to say and to publish at the peril of being exposed as a potential pedophile, who only includes such a reference in her book to it, but there was reasoning of sorts in the minds of those responsible for actually disposing of, hiding or concealing the body of Madeleine McCann..

My first instinct when challenged with the prospect of trying to come to terms with these factors was to believe that even if Madeline did and had died in some sort of an accident inside the McCann apartment, or whenever, that the parents and other members of the so-called tapas 9 group were more concerned with the strong possibility that Madeleine McCann was a victim of child sex abuse, at the hands of various members of the adult contingent of that group..

And..

that at any forthcoming inquest, any pathologist worth his or her weight in salt, would have easily found such evidence that Madeleine McCann was a sex abuse victim. This was and is why the parents and other members of their contingent keep harping on about the possibility that Madeleine had been abducted by pedophiles - but the truth of the matter was that Madeleine McCann was almost certainly exposed to acts of sexual abuse by members of the group...

Parts of Madeleine McCanns anatomy have been cut and torn out of her little helpless body, similar to how Kate McCann says in her publication in an attempt to conceal the sexual abuse treatment she was exposed to at the hands of her parents and their jolly good friends...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 17, 2019, 10:22:AM
Parts of Madeleine McCanns anatomy have been cut and torn out of her little helpless body, similar to how Kate McCann says in her publication in an attempt to conceal the sexual abuse treatment she was exposed to at the hands of her parents and their jolly good friends...

Somewhat rather worryingly, I found a bone in the rear garden of the derelict building which I duly photographed. I do not profess to know whether or not this was a piece of human, or animal bone, but nevertheless there are experts out there who would know. I didn't have time to search beneath the piles and piles of garden waste that was strewn about all over in the rear garden. Furthermore, nobody else had done neither back at the time of the incident or since. How can I be sure of this? Well I am a gardener / landscaped gardener by trade, and all this garden waste, at least most of it from my brief examination of it, appeared not to have been disturbed or displaced from the point it was all dumped there originally.

Could the piece of bone which I discovered and photographed belong to the body parts of the missing child?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 05:52:PM
I have been watching many documentaries on the case on YouTube and in particular live footage of the visits to st. Vincent's church in praia da Luz Portugal by the parents. In one or two of the documentaries it is noticeable that as the McCann parents are either entering the church or leaving it that in the background or the foreground is the derelict building where I believe the remains of Madeleine McCann were buried in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back left hand corner of the rear garden..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 06:01:PM
I have been watching many documentaries on the case on YouTube and in particular live footage of the visits to st. Vincent's church in praia da Luz Portugal by the parents. In one or two of the documentaries it is noticeable that as the McCann parents are either entering the church or leaving it that in the background or the foreground is the derelict building where I believe the remains of Madeleine McCann were buried in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back left hand corner of the rear garden..

Rather interestingly, the windows of the derelict building  across the road from the church back in May 2007, had the very same net curtains up, in June 2010 . At the time of my visit to this building and it's grounds, it was somewhat apparent to me in 2010, that the building had not been lived in for 7 - 10 years beforehand. Therefore, at the time of Madeleine McCanns alleged disappearence, the said derelict building must have been unoccupied. Basically put, the McCann parents took refuse in the church shortly after their daughter disappeared on the preteñse of trying to stay out of the way of the media...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 06:09:PM
It is somewhat Ironic that, during the 12 years or so since Madeleine's body went AWOL, that the parents both thrive in the lime light whenever the media hotfoots it to their doorstep..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 06:13:PM
It is somewhat Ironic that, during the 12 years or so since Madeleine's body went AWOL, that the parents both thrive in the lime light whenever the media hotfoots it to their doorstep..

The parents have now become celebrities...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 06:27:PM
In some footage taken of the parents leaving the church, both appear to glance across the road in the direction of the aforementioned building, and not at the camera crew who were filming them both...

At the time these footages were being filmed (2007),  nobody knew that this building was unoccupied, officially. It was the ideal location for the concealment / disposal of Madeleine's remains.

As part of the Portuguese police investigation into the possible whereabouts of Madeleine McCann, they searched the catacombs and underground tombs of deceased persons believing that the parents with the help of others had disposed of their daughters remains (without success). This was because the parents had sought sanctuary in the church at Luz soon after their daughters demise was eventually alerted to on 3rd May 2007.

It is my view, that the Portuguese police  came very close to finding the shallow grave inside which Madeleine's remains were concealed - they searched in vain on the wrong side of the road, at the church, not in and at the derelict building or the grounds of its rear garden..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 28, 2019, 06:57:PM
In some footage taken of the parents leaving the church, both appear to glance across the road in the direction of the aforementioned building, and not at the camera crew who were filming them both...

At the time these footages were being filmed (2007),  nobody knew that this building was unoccupied, officially. It was the ideal location for the disposal of Madeleine's remains.

As part of the Portuguese police investigation into the possible whereabouts of Madeleine McCann, they searched the catacombs and underground tombs of deceased persons believing that the parents with the help of others had disposed of their daughters remains (without success). This was because the parents had sought sanctuary in the church at Luz soon after their daughters demise was eventually alerted to on 3rd May 2007.

It is my view, that the Portuguese police  came very close to finding the shallow grave inside which Madeleine's remains were concealed - they searched in vain on the wrong side of the road, at the church, not in and at the derelict building or the grounds of its rear garden..
Mike do you know anything about the three nocturnal people seen entering the church with a box..https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/610346/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-mystery-body-hidden-coffin-police-shock-claim
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 10:46:PM
Mike do you know anything about the three nocturnal people seen entering the church with a box..https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/610346/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-mystery-body-hidden-coffin-police-shock-claim
No, but thanks to 'ur input, I do now - it seems to make sense and justify why the Portuguese police searched tombs in St Vincent's church (Luz) catacombs...

The witness who reported these events has thus far remained unidentified, together with its detail...

If I were asked to identify who these three conspirators are / were, I would have to name the following three people:-

(1) - David Payne
(2) - Robert Murat

And?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 10:49:PM
No, but thanks to 'ur input, I do now - it seems to make sense and justify why the Portuguese police searched tombs in St Vincent's church (Luz) catacombs...

The witness who reported these events has thus far remained unidentified, together with its detail...

If I were asked to identify who these three conspirators are / were, I would have to name the following three people:-

(1) - David Payne
(2) - Robert Murat

And?

Witness 'x'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 10:54:PM
Witness 'X' turned out to be 'an informant'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 28, 2019, 10:55:PM
'Serge Malinka'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 04:32:AM
The investigations, thus far into the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann is fraught with suspicion..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 04:40:AM
The investigations, thus far into the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann is fraught with suspicion..

It  wreaks to me, of a scam, or worse still, an attempt to deceive the general public at large, or manufactured with the intention of displacement of the actual truth introduced for political purpose...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 12:07:PM
I am mindful of comments made by each McCann parent, where they both said and say, 'The first 48 hours after Madeleine was taken from them, were the worst moments for them'...

I believe the 48 hours referred to, relates to the two day period before the time Madeleine's fate was alerted to. Therefore, Madeleine could have died sometime late on the 1st May 2007, or early hours of 2nd May 2007. I my instincts serve me right, it would mean as far as I am concerned, that by breakfast time on Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, that the parents knew that Madeleine had died, and that throughout the rest of that day, and until around 9pm on Thursday 3rd May 2007, the McCann parents hid Madeleine's body behind the sofa in the apartments living room, and at one time or another, they concealed her body in a large holdall in a wardrobe of the parents bedroom...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 01:06:PM
The contradictions in the crèche registers covering 2nd and 3rd May regarding Madeleine McCanns attendance there is something of a red flag, making it possible that by breakfast time on the morning of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, that the parents must have known that Madeleine had died by that stage.

 I am sure that this was the first 48 hours being the hardest for the parents to have to deal with ( from around 10pm on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007 until around 10pm on the 3rd May 2007, when Madeleine's demise was alerted to supposedly by Kate McCann, rather then 48 hours following the 10pm alert raised by Kate McCann on the latter date..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 02:42:PM
It was at around 10pm, on Tuesday 1st May 2007 that the McCann parents and other adult group members left the tapas bar restaurant and went down to a pub near the coast, for late night revelling. This was the very same evening that Mrs Fenn overheard a child crying in the apartment (5A) below hers. The cries of the child continued for a constant uninterrupted period of about one hour and fifthteen minutes. Mrs Fenn recollected that the crying only stopped after she heard the patio door of the McCann apartment slid open, which coincided with the child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'...

This incident occurred 48 hours before Kate McCann alerted that Madeleine had been taken by 'them'...

For some as yet unexplained reason, there appears no account from the McCann parents or their colleagues regarding the late night visit to the bar, nor any mention of the time the group left..

This to my mind is a critical part of this mystery regarding what really did happen to Madeleine McCann, and more importantly when she died...

It is possible that when Mrs Fenn overheard the patio door of the McCann apartment sliding open at about 11.15pm on that Tuesday, 1st May 2007, that she mistook someone as one of the parents, simply because the crying ceased, and a child's voice called out, 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'..

It might depend upon whether or not, the child called out 'Daddy' in the context of a greeting, or if someone was frightening and hurting her..

What time did the McCann group leave the pub, and make their way up hill to their respective apartments?

With this in mind, I feel that Mrs Fenns account regarding the crying child, for a constant period of one hour and fifthteen minutes, which only stopped once she heard the patio door slide open, linked to the crying stopping and a child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy' could be the missing piece in the jigsaw..

If the McCann parents did not return to their apartment at the time their patio door slid open at about 11.15pm, in accordance with Mrs Fenns account, then it was someone else who either left or entered the McCann apartment. If this was true, it remains possible that Madeleine was sexually abused and then killed off late on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007. A fact not known about by the McCann parents until breakfast time on the following morning, Wednesday 2nd May 2007...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 02:49:PM

It was at around 10pm, on Tuesday 1st May 2007 that the McCann parents and other adult group members left the tapas bar restaurant and went down to a pub near the coast, for late night revelling. This was the very same evening that Mrs Fenn overheard a child crying in the apartment (5A) below hers. The cries of the child continued for a constant uninterrupted period of about one hour and further minutes. Mrs Fenn recollected that the crying only stopped after she heard the patio door of the McCann apartment slid open, which coincided with the child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'...

This incident occurred 48 hours before Kate McCann alerted that Madeleine had been taken by 'them'...

For some as yet unexplained reason, there appears no account from the McCann parents or their colleagues regarding the late night visit to the bar, nor any mention of the time the group left..

This to my mind is a critical part of this mystery regarding what really did happen to Madeleine McCann, and more importantly when she died...

It is possible that when Mrs Fenn overheard the patio door of the McCann apartment sliding open at about 11.15pm on that Tuesday, 1st May 2007, that she mistook someone as one of the parents, simply because the crying ceased, and a child's voice called out, 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'..

It might depend upon whether or not, the child called out 'Daddy' in the context of a greeting, or if someone was frightening and hurting her..

What time did the McCann group leave the pub, and make their way up hill to their respective apartments?

With this in mind, I feel that Mrs Fenns account regarding the crying child, for a constant period of one hour and fifthteen minutes, which only stopped once she heard the patio door slide open, linked to the crying stopping and a child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy' could be the missing piece in the jigsaw..

If the McCann parents did not return to their apartment at the time their patio door slid open at about 11.15pm, in accordance with Mrs Fenns account, then it was someone else who either left or entered the McCann apartment. If this was true, it remains possible that Madeleine was sexually abused and then killed off late on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007. A fact not known about by the McCann parents until breakfast time on the following morning, Wednesday 2nd May 2007...
The parents must have been aware that Madeleine was dead on that Tuesday morning. How had she died? Was it by strangulation or suffocation? Or, did she die from being drugged?

What were the parents to do?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 03:15:PM
Obviously, in this scenario, the McCann parents were not only a stone throw away from their apartment at the tapas bar at the time Madeleine was being assaulted / killed, they were much further away in a bar close to St Vincent's Church. Worse still, the McCann  group had told the restaurant staff that they needed to have a table every night because they had children sleeping home alone back in their apartments, the details being recorded in a register at reception, where  other members of staff had access to such information..

McCanns and their group ate their evening meal like normal at the tapas restaurant, on Tuesday 1st May 2007, but they did not stay to drink there, nor did they return to their respective apartments, but instead they went to Chaplin's Bar for late night drinks and partying...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 05:37:PM

McCanns and their group ate their evening meal like normal at the tapas restaurant, on Tuesday 1st May 2007, but they did not stay to drink there, nor did they return to their respective apartments, but instead they went to Chaplin's Bar for late night drinks and partying...

Whilst meanwhile back at the McCann apartment from at least 10pm until around 11.15pm, Madeleine was being traumatized...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 05:44:PM
Why did the parents distance themselves from the crying episode which occurred that evening (Tuesday 1st May 2007)?

If Madeleine had also been crying on the evening of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, and she had raised the alarm at breakfast time on the morning of Thursday 3rd May 2007, why didn't the parents realise that there was something amiss involving somebody other than them interfering with Madeleine, and potentially the other two siblings?

Why would you go out for an evening meal if there had been two consecutive evenings beforehand when Madeleine had been crying? Surely, they could have ate in the apartment, rather than leave their three children at risk, home alone?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 06:01:PM
If we are to believe that on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 that Madeleine McCann was abducted from apartment 5A, that would be one hell of a piece of badluck, since on three consecutive evenings Madeleine McCann, and the other two siblings had been at the peril of any would be sex offender /abductor when on each of these occasions the parents were absent, out wining and dining.

I am afraid this all beggars belief..

Madeleine could not have been crying on the evening of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, nor could Madeleine have made a brief mention to her parents at breakfast time why they hadn't come when she and Sean had both been crying? Moreover, Madeleine could not possibly have been alive at any stage on Thursday 3rd May 2007,
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 29, 2019, 07:46:PM
If it were proven that the McCann's had frequented Chaplin's I think public opinion would quickly turn against them, as it would have been impossible for them to claim they were simultaneously surveilling the apartment where their children resided. https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/the-mccanns-scandal-at-chaplins/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 29, 2019, 11:05:PM
If it were proven that the McCann's had frequented Chaplin's I think public opinion would quickly turn against them, as it would have been impossible for them to claim they were simultaneously surveilling the apartment where their children resided. https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/the-mccanns-scandal-at-chaplins/
The McCanns and their group visited Chaplin's bar on Tuesday 1st May 2007, after eating their evening meal at the tapas restaurant, booked for 8.45pm which usually ended by around 10pm each night.On most occasions one the meal had finished the tapas nine would drink at the restaurant bar, but on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007, they left the tapas restaurant and went down to Chaplin's bar and got drunk there. This was the same evening that Mrs Fenn witnessed a child crying for a period of about one hour and fifty teen minutes, when she also noted the time as being around 11.15pm when she heard the McCann patio door slide open, and the the crying child immediately stopped crying, and called out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'..

Now Mrs Fenn was told by a friend of hers that the McCann group were drinking at Chaplin's bar at the time the child had started crying continually from about 10pm onwards. A barman at Chaplin's bar confirmed to the Portuguese police that on that evening (Tuesday, 1st May 2007) the McCanns and friends were drinking and making merry at the bar...

The way I see it, Jerry McCann was not the person who slid open the sliding patio door of their apartment, it was clearly someone else. I think it to be somewhat significant that the crying of the child terminated when the patio door of the McCann apartment was slid open, and a childs voice called out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'.I believe that the child in question was Madeleine McCann, and that she didn't utter those words as a greeting to her father, but rather it was spoken because she was traumatised and frightened, in other words, it was a cry for help..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 30, 2019, 07:06:PM
We have some amongst us who believe that the Portuguese police and the Metropolitan police know who killed Madeleine McCann, but that those responsible cannot be prosecuted because the McCann parents claimed that Madeleine was still alive and well by around 9pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, as verified during Gerry McCanns 9.05pm check of the McCann apartment on that particular evening...

The persons involved committed the abuse and murder against Madeleine during a one hour and fithteen minute period prior to midnight on Tuesday 1st May 2007. She was almost certainly already dead by the time the McCann parents returned to their apartment after midnight from a visit to Chaplins bar that same evening...

But, upon returning to their apartment, they failed to discover Madeleine's demise, until the breakfast time on Wednesday 2nd May 2007...




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 30, 2019, 07:12:PM
By that stage neither McCann parent knew when Madeleine had been sexually assaulted, or indeed the time of her death...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 30, 2019, 08:20:PM
By that stage neither McCann parent knew when Madeleine had been sexually assalted, or indeed the time of her death...


However, the parents knew that they had been absent from their apartment on the previous evening from about 8pm until after midnight on the following day ( 1st / 2nd May 2007), and that up until then there had been no arrangements put into place to check in their apartment or their home alone children for a four hour period. It was this factor which caused the McCann parents to not report Madeleine's death as discovered by then at around breakfast time soon Wednesday 2nd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 07:09:AM
At the bare minimum, the McCann parents are guilty of repeated child neglect, lying about the time they first knew that Madeleine was dead. As I say the McCann parents knew that Madeleine was dead by breakfast time Wednesday 2nd May 2007, and  instead of telling the truth, they falsely claim that Madeleine had still been alive at least until around about 9pm on the evening Thursday 3rd May 2007. But Madeleine was not taken or abducted from her bed on the evening of 3rd May 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 12:00:PM
In addition, some of the other seven tapas group members knew that Madeleine had been involved in some sort of attack on Tuesday evening whilst they were on a jaunt at Chaplin's bar..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 06:27:PM
'Operation Grange' takes the view that the McCann parents are not being investigated in connection with the mysterious disappearance of their daughter. This is because in their original statements to Portugue police, they claimed that they knew nothing about the attack made upon Madeleine on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007. Instead, the parents mentioned something which Madeleine had mentioned to them at breakfast time, along the lines of why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying? Both Kate and Gerry apparently did not question her regarding what she mean't..

People are now saying that  the alleged crying overheard by Mrs Pamela Fenn between around 10pm until 11.15pm coming from the McCann apartment below, must have been the same incident which Madeleine alluded to at breakfast on Thursday 3rd May 2007, but this cannot be true because the crying child stopped crying when the parents returned to their apartment at around 11.15pm, followed by the child calling out the word, 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'...

Clearly, if this was the actual interpretation of  Mrs Fenns  account for evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007, displaced until breakfast time on Thursday 3rd May 2007, to be pondered is why would Madeleine say such a thing as 'Why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying?

Excuse me, but on Mrs Fenns account,  the child that had been crying constantly for about an hour and fithteen minutes, suddenly stopped crying one somebody slid the patio door open and the child who had been crying constantly,  suddenly stopped crying and then said 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'00
 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 07:09:PM

Excuse me, but on Mrs Fenns account,  the child that had been crying constantly for about an hour and fithteen minutes, suddenly stopped crying one somebody slid the patio door open and the child who had been crying constantly,  suddenly stopped crying and then said 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'


If it had been the parents returning to their apartment at about 11.15pm, on either the 1st or the 2nd May 2007, there's no getting away from the fact that not only would Madeleine have welcomed her parents return, but also both parents would have also remembered and known why she had been crying - I find it hard to believe that the McCann parents (a) knew nothing about one of their children crying constantly for about one hour and fifthteen minutes on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007, or that (b) if there had been any crying at all by Madeleine on the evening Wednesday 2nd May 2007, alluded to by Madeleine at breakfast time on Thursday 3rd May 2007, then (c) how could Kate and Gerry McCann pretend to know nothing about such?

Everything points to the McCann couple deliberately trying to deceive regarding an incident when Madeleine must have been awake and crying in their absence from apartment 5A..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 07:39:PM


If it had been the parents returning to their apartment at about 11.15pm, on either the 1st or the 2nd May 2007, there's no getting away from the fact that not only would Madeleine have welcomed her parents return, but also both parents would have also remembered and known why she had been crying - I find it hard to believe that the McCann parents (a) knew nothing about one of their children crying constantly for about one hour and fifthteen minutes on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007, or that (b) if there had been any crying at all by Madeleine on the evening Wednesday 2nd May 2007, alluded to by Madeleine at breakfast time on Thursday 3rd May 2007, then (c) how could Kate and Gerry McCann pretend to know nothing about such?

Everything points to the McCann couple deliberately trying to deceive regarding an incident when Madeleine must have been awake and crying in their absence from apartment 5A..

In other words they were keeping their daughter alive, even though they knew she had died almost two days earlier...

It is this information which has prevented the Portuguese police, and now the Metropolitan police from arresting the people who may have been responsible for sexually abusing Madeleine, and then killing her, all because the McCann parents lied by claiming she was alive at a time when she was already dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 07:49:PM
This is why the remit of 'Operation Grange' ignores the McCann parents and the other 7 members of the tapas group. Privately, the Portuguese police and the Metropolitan police, know the part that the McCann parents and their friends played in the disposal of Madeleine's body. But they have had evidence and information which places three members of Warner staff, in telephone communication with one another in very close proximity to the McCann apartment on the occasion when Mrs Fenn witnessed the events of Tuesday 1st May 2007 evening. All three men are suspected of being responsible for a series of break ins, of apartments...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 07:55:PM
The McCanns know the identity of the people responsible for sexually abusing their daughter. But at the end of the day, it was the McCanns and other adult members of the group who faked an abduction, introducing s false timeline of events...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 07:58:PM
In Kate McCanns book, 'MADELEINE', she provides a chilling admission to the effect that..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2019, 08:38:PM
In Kate McCanns book, 'MADELEINE', she provides a chilling admission to the effect that..

She acknowleged that she knew that Madeleines perfect little genitals being ripped apart, or words to that effect...

The only way she could have known about such things, was if she knew what had happened to Madeleine, and seen for herself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2019, 08:22:AM
The facts speak for themself - the McCann parents are responsible for misleading people into believing that Madeleine was alive and well throughout Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007...

Problem with crèche records dated Wednesday 2nd May 2007

Problem with creche records dated Thursday 3rd May 2007

Problem with date when Madeleine attended kids sailing club

Problem with sequence of alleged events surrounding half hourly check by McCann parents and friends, of apartment 5A, and when exactly people were aware of Madeleines absence from the apartment
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2019, 12:21:PM
The McCann parents along with other members of the tapas group dubbed 'the tapas nine' were all aware that if the shutters to the patio door of the McCann apartment 5A were pulled down and locked on the inside that no-one could have left by the patio door on the poolside of the apartment because the mechanism for raising and lowering the steel door shutter were situated on the inside of the living room area.

This means that the occupants of apartment 5A could not have lowered and locked the steel patio door and left by the patio door, because othe
rwise the patio door shutter would have been visibly raised to anyone and everyone who either was on the patio of apartment 5A, or anyone walking in the street who glanced towards apartment 5A's patio and it's door.

Neither Kate or Gerry McCann, or the other group members refer as to whether or not when they either left apartment 5A, or entered it on the evening Thursday 3rd May 2007, that the patio door shutter was lowered, or raised. This is important because the McCann parents could not have left the patio door open on the poolside of their apartment, on that Thursday evening and go dining at the tapas bar restaurant f the patio door shutter was lowered, and locked. However, for the purpose of being complete it is possible for the patio shutter to have been lowered and locked off from the inside, and the patio door to have been left unlocked. Nobody would have been able to enter apartment 5A through the patio door because the mechanism for lowering and raising the steel shutter is located on the inside wall of the apartments living room...

This casts doubt on Gerry McCanns claim that at about 9.05am that when he supposedly went to do his check that he could not have entered apartment 5A via the poolside patio door or leave that way without leaving the patio door shutter raised. Similarly this also applies to the checks done by Mathew Oldfield between 9.20pm, and 9.30pm, or Kate McCanns 10pm visit and check...

Leaving the patio door shutter raised when the McCann parents left or returned to their apartment would have been akin to a red coloured rag to a bull, in other words, inviting trouble. This also applies to Mathew Oldfield when he did his check of the same apartment...

I personally know this to be true because in June 2010 I stayed in apartment  6A in block 6, which is located just across the street where the McCann apartment (5A of block 5) is situated. A part from the fact that the McCann apartment was ground floor being different to where I stayed (which was s first floor apartment) the layout of all the roomsz windows, shutters etc were identical in everyway. I experiment with doors and windows being open and closed in so many different configurations, basically to see which combination of patio door, windows could recreate the slamming of the bedroom door in which the McCann siblings had slept. It was a painstaking exercise, but one which rewarded me in the finding that with the patio door open and the bedroom window of the children's bedroom open, the kids bedroom door would only slam if someone either exited or entered the roadside door of the apartment.

This is important because the roadside door was visible from someone either entering or leaving the apartment by the roadside door.

The testing of this door and window experiment, confirmed to me that the children's bedroom window could have been open, along with the sliding patio door (open), but  the children's bedroom door would not slam shut. It was only with the additional act of opening the roadside door, that the children's bedroom door would slam shut..

What I also discovered was that if the children's bedroom door had slammed shut (as alleged by Kate McCann), this could only happen with the various doors and windows open and or shut. Additionally, I carried out further experiments and I discovered that once the children's bedroom door slammed shut  y the conditions of doors and windows alluded to by me, that the curtains at the children's bedroom window would not always flail open like whoosh, only if the roadside door was still open. If at the point the children's bedroom door slammed shut, the roadside door when closed (Before the bedroom door was open pened again) then the curtains at the children's bedroom window would not flail up..

What this alerted to me was one of two things, (1) Kate McCanns account concerning the slamming of the children's bedroom door and the whooshing of the curtains at the bedroom window is false, or (2) when Kate went into apartment 5A, and by the time the children's bedroom door had slammed shut, there was somebody else there with her. There must have been someone there with her at the apartment when she did her 10pm check - which afforded her the opportunity to race back to the tapas restaurant to raise the alarm, she did not leave her other two children in danger all be, she returned back to the tapas restaurant to raise the alarm that Madeleine had been taken, in the knowledge that someone back at the apartment was watching over her children...

Who was there at the apartment along with Kate when the children's bedroom door slammed to, and when Kate returned to the tapas restaurant to alert everyone that 'They have taken her, they have taken Maddie, she's gone'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2019, 03:59:AM
A member of the Ocean club staff took a pass key for apartment doors in the complex, because a guest had supposedly lost their apartment door key. This occurred at around 9 pm, on Thursday 3rd May 2007. The pass key was obtained from the maintenance office safe, because the other set of keys which was normally kept at the small reception were not available because at that time of the evening the small reception desk was unmanned..

The member of staff who removed the pass key did not divulge to Portuguese police which guest, and which apartment the pass key had been taken from the reception desk. But it is understood that that pass key went missing thereafter ..

I believe that this pass key was used by somebody to unlock the roadside door of apartment 5A at about 9pm, and remove Madeleine's body and that this was initially done in the knowledge of Gerry McCann and Mathew Oldfield, alerted to later on by Kate McCann - 'They've taken her, Madeleine is gone'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2019, 05:35:AM
I believe that this pass key was used by somebody to unlock the roadside door of apartment 5A at about 9pm, and remove Madeleine's body and that this was initially done in the knowledge of Gerry McCann and Mathew Oldfield, alerted to later on by Kate McCann - 'They've taken her, Madeleine is gone'..

Kate's comment about 'they've taken her' was reference to people she knew who had taken Madeleine's body out of the apartment in the disposal of the body phase..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2019, 06:10:AM
'They've taken her', not 'He has taken her', or 'She has taken her'.Why was Kate McCann asserting that people had taken Madeleine's body from apartment 5A..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 03, 2019, 10:49:AM
'They've taken her', not 'He has taken her', or 'She has taken her'.Why was Kate McCann asserting that people had taken Madeleine's body from apartment 5A..

Well, when she supposedly went to apartment 5A,  she met somebody there, someone whom had a pass key for the roadside door of 5A. This seems to me to be proveable that those responsible at different stages of the incident can be identified and that Kate McCann is witholding, the names of the people present at apartment 5A, at around 10pm.The vacuum which caused the children's bedroom door being slammed shut in Kate McCann caused by a combination of the following doors and windows all being open at one and the same time:-

Either, roadside door open, patio door locked or closed, children's bedroom door open, children's bedroom window open (whichever door Kate McCann used to enter apartment 5A at 10pm, roadside door, or the patio door on the poolside of apartment 5A, then the other door was either locked off and closed). Otherwise when Kate entered apartment 5A, through either one of these two external doors, the children's bedroom door would have slammed shut, but Kate doesn't say the children's bedroom door slammed shut when she entered the apartment, what she says is that as she was in the process of closing or setting the children's bedroom door, it slammed shut, this could only have occurred when someone either entered, or exited the apartment door, in particular not the same door used by Kate McCann herself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2019, 04:26:PM
Who was present inside apartment 5A, along with Kate McCann and two of her three siblings, during Kate's 10pm check of the family apartment, on evening Madeleine was discovered missing?

According to all the other tapas 9 group s various accounts, the only adult member of the so called tapas nine group who was not present in the tapas restaurant at around this time was Russell O'Brien, or was it Jane Tanner?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2019, 06:44:AM
Who was present inside apartment 5A, along with Kate McCann and two of her three siblings, during Kate's 10pm check of the family apartment, on evening Madeleine was discovered missing?

According to all the other tapas 9 group s various accounts, the only adult member of the so called tapas nine group who was not present in the tapas restaurant at around this time was Russell O'Brien, or was it Jane Tanner?

I suppose it depends on the time the McCann parents and some of their friends, knew that Maddie was dead, and or the actual time her physical body was missing from the apartment on and by the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 - 9.15pm, 9.30pm, 9.45pm or 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2019, 06:46:AM
'They've taken her', not 'He has taken her', or 'She has taken her'.Why was Kate McCann asserting that people had taken Madeleine's body from apartment 5A..

Or, 'who has taken her', or ' Somebody has taken her'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2019, 06:49:AM
The use of the term, ' they have taken her' suggests very strongly that she knew who had taken Madeleine from apartment 5A, that evening, irrespective of her having died on Tuesday 1st May 2007, or on Thursday 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2019, 06:50:AM
The use of the term, ' they have taken her' suggests very strongly that she knew who had taken Madeleine from apartment 5A, that evening, irrespective of her having died on Tuesday 1st May 2007, or on Thursday 3rd May 2007..

'THEY HAVE TAKEN HER'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2019, 08:50:AM
I do not believe that the McCann parents acted alone in the concealment and disposal of Madeleine's body after she died on Tuesday 1st May 2007. For example, I do not for one moment believe thatall the other seven adult members of the so called tapas nine group had either any involvement or inclination that Madeleine had died, been concealed or disposed of on that Thursday (3rd May, 2007) evening. But for what it's worth the following members of the group in addition to the McCann parents who did have such knowledge, or who had played some role or other in Madeleine McCanns demise :-

Mathew Oldfield
Russell O'Brien
David Payne
Jane Tanner

Other people who are of particular interest regarding the assault and killing of Madeleine on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007, are:-

Ocean Club employee (1)
Ocean club employee (2)
Ocean club employee (3)

Other people who helped in the concealment / disposal of Madeleine McCanns body, or had knowledge that Madeleine McCann was already missing from the McCann apartment long before Kate McCanns alert given at about 10pm, between morning of Wednesday 2nd May 2007 and evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007:-

Robert Murat
Serge Malinka

Stephen Carpenter
Mrs Carpenter
Ocean club restaurant Manager
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2019, 09:02:AM
Praia de Luz is not really a holiday destination for parents with young children of Madeleine McCanns age, and toddlers.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2019, 09:37:AM
Bridget O'Donnell
December 2007 - The Guardian

My months with Madeleine

It was a welcome spring break, a chance to relax at a child-friendly resort in Portugal. Soon Bridget O'Donnell and her partner were making friends with another holidaying family while their three-year-old daughters played together. But then Madeleine McCann went missing and everyone was sucked into a nightmare
Bridget O'Donnell
 
We lay by the members-only pool staring at the sky. Round and round, the helicopters clacked and roared. Their cameras pointed down at us, mocking the walled and gated enclave. Circles rippled out across the pool. It was the morning after Madeleine went.
Six days earlier we had landed at Faro airport. The coach was full of people like us, parents lugging multiple toddler/baby combinations. All of us had risen at dawn, rushed along motorways and hurtled across the sky in search of the modern solution to our exhaustion - the Mark Warner kiddie club. I travelled with my partner Jes, our three-year-old daughter, and our nine-month-old baby son. Praia da Luz was the nearest Mark Warner beach resort and this was the cheapest week of the year - a bargain bucket trip, for a brief lie-down.

Excitedly, we were shown to our apartments. Ours was on the fourth floor, overlooking a family and toddler pool, opposite a restaurant and bar called the Tapas. I worried about the height of the balcony. Should we ask for one on the ground floor? Was I a paranoid parent? Should I make a fuss, or just enjoy the view?

We could see the beach and a big blue sky. We went outside to explore.

We settled in over the following days. There was a warm camaraderie among the parents, a shared happy weariness and deadpan banter. Our children made friends in the kiddie club and at the drop-off, we would joke about the fact that there were 10 blonde three-year-old girls in the group. They were bound to boss around the two boys.

The children went sailing and swimming, played tennis and learned a dance routine for the end-of-week show. Each morning, our daughter ran ahead of us to get to the kiddie club. She was having a wonderful time. Jes signed up for tennis lessons. I read a book. He made friends. I read another book.

The Mark Warner nannies brought the children to the Tapas restaurant to have tea at the end of each day. It was a friendly gathering. The parents would stand and chat by the pool. We talked about the children, about what we did at home. We were hopeful about a change in the weather. We eyed our children as they played. We didn't see anyone watching.

Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann. He played tennis with Jes.

One morning, I saw Gerry and his wife Kate on their balcony, chatting to their friends on the path below. Privately I was glad we didn't get their apartment. It was on a corner by the road and people could see in. They were exposed.

In the evenings, babysitting at the resort was a dilemma. "Sit-in" babysitters were available but were expensive and in demand, and Mark Warner blurb advised us to book well in advance. The other option was the babysitting service at the kiddie club, which was a 10-minute walk from the apartment. The children would watch a cartoon together and then be put to bed. You would then wake them, carry them back and put them to bed again in the apartment. After taking our children to dinner a couple of times, we decided on the Wednesday night to try the service at the club.

We had booked a table for two at Tapas and were placed next to the Doctors' regular table. One by one, they started to arrive. The men came first. Gerry McCann started chatting across to Jes about tennis. Gerry was outgoing, a wisecracker, but considerate and kind, and he invited us to join them. We discussed the children. He told us they were leaving theirs sleeping in the apartments. While they chatted on, I ruminated on the pros and cons of this. I admired them, in a way, for not being paranoid parents, but I decided that our apartment was too far off even to contemplate it. Our baby was too young and I would worry about them waking up.

My phone rang as our food arrived; our baby had woken up. I walked the round trip to collect him from the kiddie club, then back to the restaurant. He kept crying and eventually we left our meal unfinished and walked back again to the club to fetch our sleeping daughter. Jes carried her home in a blanket. The next night we stayed in. It was Thursday, May 3.

Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty.

Jes and Gerry were playing on the next court. Afterwards, we sat by the pool and Gerry and Kate talked enthusiastically to the tennis coach about the following day's tournament. We watched them idly - they had a lot of time for people, they listened. Then Gerry stood up and began showing Kate his new tennis stroke. She looked at him and smiled. "You wouldn't be interested if I talked about my tennis like that," Jes said to me. We watched them some more. Kate was calm, still, quietly beautiful; Gerry was confident, proud, silly, strong. She watched his boyish demonstration with great seriousness and patience. That was the last time I saw them that day. Jes saw Gerry that night.

Our baby would not sleep and at about 8.30pm, Jes took him out for a walk in the buggy to settle him. Gerry was on his way back from checking on his children and the two men stopped to have a chat. They talked about daughters, fathers, families. Gerry was relaxed and friendly. They discussed the babysitting dilemmas at the resort and Gerry said that he and Kate would have stayed in too, if they had not been on holiday in a group. Jes returned to our apartment just before 9.30pm. We ate, drank wine, watched a DVD and then went to bed. On the ground floor, a completely catastrophic event was taking place. On the fourth floor of the next block, we were completely oblivious.

At 1am there was a frantic banging on our door. Jes got up to answer. I stayed listening in the dark. I knew it was bad; it could only be bad. I heard male mumbling, then Jes's voice. "You're joking?" he said. It wasn't the words, it was the tone that made me flinch. He came back in to the room. "Gerry's daughter's been abducted," he said. "She ..." I jumped up and went to check our children. They were there. We sat down. We got up again. Weirdly, I did the washing-up. We wondered what to do. Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do; she had been missing for three hours. Jes felt he should go anyway, but I wanted him to stay with us. I was a coward, afraid to be alone with the children - and afraid to be alone with my thoughts.

I once worked as a producer in the BBC crime unit. I directed many reconstructions and spent my second pregnancy producing new investigations for Crimewatch. Detectives would call me daily, detailing their cases, and some stories stay with me still, such as the ones about a girl being snatched from her bath, or her bike, or her garden and then held in the passenger seat, or stuffed in the boot. There was always a vehicle, and the first few hours were crucial to the outcome. Afterwards, they would be dumped naked in an alley, or at a petrol station with a £10 note to "get a cab back to Mummy". They would be found within an hour or two. Sometimes.

From the balcony we could see some figures scratching at the immense darkness with tiny torch lights. Police cars arrived and we thought that they would take control. We lay on the bed but we could not sleep.

The next morning, we made our way to breakfast and met one of the Doctors, the one who had come round in the night. His young daughter looked up at us from her pushchair. There was no news. They had called Sky television - they didn't know what else to do. He turned away and I could see he was going to weep.

People were crying in the restaurant. Mark Warner had handed out letters informing them what had happened in the night, and we all wondered what to do. Mid-sentence, we would drift in to the middle distance. Tears would brim up and recede.

Our daughter asked us about the kiddie club that day. She had been looking forward to their dance show that afternoon. Jes and I looked at each other. My first instinct was that we should not be parted from our children. Of course we shouldn't; we should strap them to us and not let them out of our sight, ever again. But then we thought: how are we going to explain this to our daughter? Or how, if we spent the day in the village, would we avoid repeatedly discussing what had happened in front of her as we met people on the streets? What does a good parent do? Keep the children close or take a deep breath and let them go a little, pretend this was the same as any other day?

We walked towards the kiddie club. No one else was there. We felt awful, such terrible parents for even considering the idea. Then we saw, waiting inside, some of the Mark Warner nannies. They had been up most of the night but had still turned up to work that day. They were intelligent, thoughtful young women and we liked and trusted them. The dance show was cancelled, but they wanted to put on a normal day for the children. Our daughter ran inside and started painting. Then, behind us, another set of parents arrived looking equally washed out. Then another, and another. We decided, in the end, to leave them for two hours. We put their bags on the pegs and saw the one labelled "Madeleine". Heads bent, we walked away, into the guilty glare of the morning sun.

Locals and holidaymakers had started circulating photocopied pictures of Madeleine, while others continued searching the beaches and village apartments. People were talking about what had happened or sat silently, staring blankly. We didn't see any police.

Later, there was a knock on our apartment door and we let the two men in. One was a uniformed Portuguese policeman, the other his translator. The translator had a squint and sweated slightly. He was breathless, perhaps a little excited. We later found out he was Robert Murat. He reminded me of a boy in my class at school who was bullied.

Through Murat we answered a few questions and gave our details, which the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns.

As the day drew on, the media and more police arrived and we watched from our balcony as reporters practised their pieces to camera outside the McCanns' apartment. We then went back inside and watched them on the news.

We had to duck under the police tape with the pushchair to buy a pint of milk. We would roll past sniffer dogs, local police, then national police, local journalists, and then international journalists, TV reporters and satellite vans. A hundred pairs of eyes and a dozen cameras silently swivelled as we turned down the bend. We pretended, for the children's sake, that this was nothing unusual. Later on, our daughter saw herself with Daddy on TV. That afternoon we sat by the members-only pool, watching the helicopters watching us. We didn't know what else to do.

Saturday came, our last day. While we waited for the airport coach to pick us up, we gathered round the toddler pool by Tapas, making small talk in front of the children. I watched my baby son and daughter closely, shamefully grateful that I could.

We had not seen the McCanns since Thursday, when suddenly they appeared by the pool. The surreal limbo of the past two days suddenly snapped back into painful, awful realtime. It was a shock: the physical transformation of these two human beings was sickening - I felt it as a physical blow. Kate's back and shoulders, her hands, her mouth had reshaped themselves in to the angular manifestation of a silent scream. I thought I might cry and turned so that she wouldn't see. Gerry was upright, his lips now drawn into a thin, impenetrable line. Some people, including Jes, tried to offer comfort. Some gave them hugs. Some stared at their feet, words eluding them. We all wondered what to do. That was the last time we saw Gerry and Kate.

The rest of us left Praia da Luz together, an isolated Mark Warner group. The coach, the airport, the plane passed quietly. There were no other passengers except us. We arrived at Gatwick in the small hours of an early May morning. No jokes, no banter, just goodbye. Though we did not know it then, those few days in May were going to dominate the rest of our year.

"Did you have a good trip?" asked the cabbie at Gatwick, instantly underlining the conversational dilemma that would occupy the first few weeks: Do we say "Yes, thanks" and move swiftly on? Or divulge the "yes-but-no-but" truth of our "Maddy" experience? Everybody talks about holidays, they make good conversational currency at work, at the hairdresser's, in the playground. Everybody asked about ours. I would pause and take a breath, deciding whether there was enough time for what was to follow. People were genuinely horrified by what had happened to Madeleine and even by what we had been through (though we thought ourselves fortunate). Their humanity was a balm and a comfort to us; we needed to talk about it, chew it over and share it out, to make it a little easier to swallow.

The British police came round shortly after our return. Jes was pleased to give them a statement. The Portuguese police had never asked.

As the summer months rolled by, we thought the story would slowly and sadly ebb away, but instead it flourished and multiplied, and it became almost impossible to talk about any-thing else. Friends came for dinner and we would actively try to steer the conversation on to a different subject, always to return to Madeleine. Others solicited our thoughts by text message after any major twist or turn in the case. Acquaintances discussed us in the context of Madeleine, calling in the middle of their debates to clarify details.

I found some immunity in a strange, guilty happiness. We had returned unscathed to our humdrum family routine, my life was wonderful, my world was safe, I was lucky, I was blessed. The colours in the park were acute and hyper-real and the sun warmed my face.

At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.

In August, the doorbell rang. The man was from the Daily Mail. He asked if Jes was in (he wasn't). After he left I spent an anxious evening analysing what I had said, weighing up the possible consequences. The Sol article had brought the Daily Mail; what would happen next? Two days later, the Mail came for Jes again. This time they had computer printout pictures of a bald, heavy-set man seen lurking in some Praia da Luz holiday snaps. The chatroom implication was that the man was Madeleine's abductor. There was talk on the web, the reporter insinuated, that this man might be Jes. I laughed at the ridiculousness of it all and then realised he was serious. I looked at the pictures, and it wasn't Jes.

Once, Jes's father looked him up on the internet and found that "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" was referenced on Google more than 70,000 times. There was talk that he was a "lookout" for Gerry and Kate; there was talk that Jes was orchestrating a reality-TV hoax and Madeleine's disappearance was part of the con; there was talk that the Tapas Nine were all swingers. There was a lot of talk.

In early September, Kate and Gerry became official suspects. Their warm tide of support turned decidedly cool. Had they cruelly conned us all? The public needed to know, and who had seen Gerry at around 9pm on the fateful night? Jes.

Tonight with Trevor McDonald, GMTV, the Sun, the News of the World, the Sunday Mirror, the Daily Express, the Evening Standard and the Independent on Sunday began calling. Jes's office stopped putting through calls from people asking to speak to "Jeremy" (only his grandmother calls him that). Some emails told him that he would be "better off" if he spoke to them or he would "regret it" if he didn't, implying that it was in his interest to defend himself - they didn't say what from.

Quietly, we began to worry that Jes might be next in line for some imagined blame or accusation. On a Saturday night in September, he received a call: we were on the front page of the News of the World. They had surreptitiously taken photographs of us, outside the house. There were no more details. We went to bed, but we could not sleep. "Maddie: the secret witness," said the headline, "TV boss holds vital clue to the mystery." Unfortunately, Jes does not hold any such vital clues. In November, he inched through the events of that May night with Leicestershire detectives, but he saw nothing suspicious, nothing that would further the investigation.

Throughout all this, I have always believed that Gerry and Kate McCann are innocent. When they were made suspects, when they were booed at, when one woman told me she was "glad" they had "done it" because it meant that her child was safe, I began to write this article - because I was there, and I believe that woman is wrong. There were no drug-fuelled "swingers" on our holiday; instead, there was a bunch of ordinary parents wearing Berghaus and worrying about sleep patterns. Secure in our banality, none of us imagined we were being watched. One group made a disastrous decision; Madeleine was vulnerable and was chosen. But in the face of such desperate audacity, it could have been any one of us.

And when I stroke my daughter's hair, or feel her butterfly lips on my cheek, I do so in the knowledge of what might have been. But our experience is nothing, an irrelevance, next to the McCanns' unimaginable grief. Their lives will always be touched by this darkness, while the true culprit may never be brought to light.

So my heart goes out to them, Gerry and Kate, the couple we remember from our Portuguese holiday. They had a beautiful daughter, Madeleine, who played and danced with ours at the kiddie club. That's who we remember.

© Bridget O'Donnell 2007.

· Bridget O'Donnell is a writer and director. The fee from this article will be donated to the Find Madeleine fund (findmadeleine.com).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2019, 09:44:AM
Praia de Luz is not really a holiday destination for parents with young children of Madeleine McCanns age, and toddlers.

More of a resort where couples go to, searching for the sun, a nice beach, blue sea, restaurants and a bar or two, were they can enjoy a romantic meal, over a bottle of wine, and meet other couples, make new friends, chat and laugh, make new memories, etc...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2019, 09:52:AM
The trip to Portugal was no ordinary holiday, the group of nine adults and their children, were taking part in an international undercover operation, designed to trap gangs of peadophiles who were known to be operating in regions of the algarve. The adult members were using their young children as bait, intending to draw out sex offenders who lived and or operated in the Park de Luz region. I shall refer to this operation by the code name "Zenith"...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2019, 09:59:AM
The trip to Portugal was no ordinary holiday, the group of nine adults and their children, were taking part in an international undercover operation, designed to trap gangs of peadophiles who were known to be operating in regions of the algarve. The adult members were using their young children as bait, intending to draw out sex offenders who lived and or operated in the Park de Luz region. I shall refer to this operation by the code name "Zenith"...

The McCann parents made it known to Ocean Club staff that they were leaving their three siblings 'home alone' back in apartment 5A. It was irrelevant whether or not the McCann parents exited their apartment via the unlocked patio door on the poolside of the building, or the locked roadside door. Since to a member of staff, given the right opportunity entry into the property was an easy option...

Simply enter the apartment (5A) via the unlocked patio door, or use the Ocean clubs master pass key, to unlock the locked roadside door..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2019, 10:07:AM
The McCann parents were responsible for deliberately trying to draw out peadophiles who worked as members of staff at the Ocean club, an operation that went dramatically wrong..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 06, 2019, 07:33:PM
Bridget O'Donnell
December 2007 - The Guardian

My months with Madeleine

It was a welcome spring break, a chance to relax at a child-friendly resort in Portugal. Soon Bridget O'Donnell and her partner were making friends with another holidaying family while their three-year-old daughters played together. But then Madeleine McCann went missing and everyone was sucked into a nightmare
Bridget O'Donnell
 
We lay by the members-only pool staring at the sky. Round and round, the helicopters clacked and roared. Their cameras pointed down at us, mocking the walled and gated enclave. Circles rippled out across the pool. It was the morning after Madeleine went.
Six days earlier we had landed at Faro airport. The coach was full of people like us, parents lugging multiple toddler/baby combinations. All of us had risen at dawn, rushed along motorways and hurtled across the sky in search of the modern solution to our exhaustion - the Mark Warner kiddie club. I travelled with my partner Jes, our three-year-old daughter, and our nine-month-old baby son. Praia da Luz was the nearest Mark Warner beach resort and this was the cheapest week of the year - a bargain bucket trip, for a brief lie-down.

Excitedly, we were shown to our apartments. Ours was on the fourth floor, overlooking a family and toddler pool, opposite a restaurant and bar called the Tapas. I worried about the height of the balcony. Should we ask for one on the ground floor? Was I a paranoid parent? Should I make a fuss, or just enjoy the view?

We could see the beach and a big blue sky. We went outside to explore.

We settled in over the following days. There was a warm camaraderie among the parents, a shared happy weariness and deadpan banter. Our children made friends in the kiddie club and at the drop-off, we would joke about the fact that there were 10 blonde three-year-old girls in the group. They were bound to boss around the two boys.

The children went sailing and swimming, played tennis and learned a dance routine for the end-of-week show. Each morning, our daughter ran ahead of us to get to the kiddie club. She was having a wonderful time. Jes signed up for tennis lessons. I read a book. He made friends. I read another book.

The Mark Warner nannies brought the children to the Tapas restaurant to have tea at the end of each day. It was a friendly gathering. The parents would stand and chat by the pool. We talked about the children, about what we did at home. We were hopeful about a change in the weather. We eyed our children as they played. We didn't see anyone watching.

Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann. He played tennis with Jes.

One morning, I saw Gerry and his wife Kate on their balcony, chatting to their friends on the path below. Privately I was glad we didn't get their apartment. It was on a corner by the road and people could see in. They were exposed.

In the evenings, babysitting at the resort was a dilemma. "Sit-in" babysitters were available but were expensive and in demand, and Mark Warner blurb advised us to book well in advance. The other option was the babysitting service at the kiddie club, which was a 10-minute walk from the apartment. The children would watch a cartoon together and then be put to bed. You would then wake them, carry them back and put them to bed again in the apartment. After taking our children to dinner a couple of times, we decided on the Wednesday night to try the service at the club.

We had booked a table for two at Tapas and were placed next to the Doctors' regular table. One by one, they started to arrive. The men came first. Gerry McCann started chatting across to Jes about tennis. Gerry was outgoing, a wisecracker, but considerate and kind, and he invited us to join them. We discussed the children. He told us they were leaving theirs sleeping in the apartments. While they chatted on, I ruminated on the pros and cons of this. I admired them, in a way, for not being paranoid parents, but I decided that our apartment was too far off even to contemplate it. Our baby was too young and I would worry about them waking up.

My phone rang as our food arrived; our baby had woken up. I walked the round trip to collect him from the kiddie club, then back to the restaurant. He kept crying and eventually we left our meal unfinished and walked back again to the club to fetch our sleeping daughter. Jes carried her home in a blanket. The next night we stayed in. It was Thursday, May 3.

Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty.

Jes and Gerry were playing on the next court. Afterwards, we sat by the pool and Gerry and Kate talked enthusiastically to the tennis coach about the following day's tournament. We watched them idly - they had a lot of time for people, they listened. Then Gerry stood up and began showing Kate his new tennis stroke. She looked at him and smiled. "You wouldn't be interested if I talked about my tennis like that," Jes said to me. We watched them some more. Kate was calm, still, quietly beautiful; Gerry was confident, proud, silly, strong. She watched his boyish demonstration with great seriousness and patience. That was the last time I saw them that day. Jes saw Gerry that night.

Our baby would not sleep and at about 8.30pm, Jes took him out for a walk in the buggy to settle him. Gerry was on his way back from checking on his children and the two men stopped to have a chat. They talked about daughters, fathers, families. Gerry was relaxed and friendly. They discussed the babysitting dilemmas at the resort and Gerry said that he and Kate would have stayed in too, if they had not been on holiday in a group. Jes returned to our apartment just before 9.30pm. We ate, drank wine, watched a DVD and then went to bed. On the ground floor, a completely catastrophic event was taking place. On the fourth floor of the next block, we were completely oblivious.

At 1am there was a frantic banging on our door. Jes got up to answer. I stayed listening in the dark. I knew it was bad; it could only be bad. I heard male mumbling, then Jes's voice. "You're joking?" he said. It wasn't the words, it was the tone that made me flinch. He came back in to the room. "Gerry's daughter's been abducted," he said. "She ..." I jumped up and went to check our children. They were there. We sat down. We got up again. Weirdly, I did the washing-up. We wondered what to do. Jes had asked if they needed help searching and was told there was nothing he could do; she had been missing for three hours. Jes felt he should go anyway, but I wanted him to stay with us. I was a coward, afraid to be alone with the children - and afraid to be alone with my thoughts.

I once worked as a producer in the BBC crime unit. I directed many reconstructions and spent my second pregnancy producing new investigations for Crimewatch. Detectives would call me daily, detailing their cases, and some stories stay with me still, such as the ones about a girl being snatched from her bath, or her bike, or her garden and then held in the passenger seat, or stuffed in the boot. There was always a vehicle, and the first few hours were crucial to the outcome. Afterwards, they would be dumped naked in an alley, or at a petrol station with a £10 note to "get a cab back to Mummy". They would be found within an hour or two. Sometimes.

From the balcony we could see some figures scratching at the immense darkness with tiny torch lights. Police cars arrived and we thought that they would take control. We lay on the bed but we could not sleep.

The next morning, we made our way to breakfast and met one of the Doctors, the one who had come round in the night. His young daughter looked up at us from her pushchair. There was no news. They had called Sky television - they didn't know what else to do. He turned away and I could see he was going to weep.

People were crying in the restaurant. Mark Warner had handed out letters informing them what had happened in the night, and we all wondered what to do. Mid-sentence, we would drift in to the middle distance. Tears would brim up and recede.

Our daughter asked us about the kiddie club that day. She had been looking forward to their dance show that afternoon. Jes and I looked at each other. My first instinct was that we should not be parted from our children. Of course we shouldn't; we should strap them to us and not let them out of our sight, ever again. But then we thought: how are we going to explain this to our daughter? Or how, if we spent the day in the village, would we avoid repeatedly discussing what had happened in front of her as we met people on the streets? What does a good parent do? Keep the children close or take a deep breath and let them go a little, pretend this was the same as any other day?

We walked towards the kiddie club. No one else was there. We felt awful, such terrible parents for even considering the idea. Then we saw, waiting inside, some of the Mark Warner nannies. They had been up most of the night but had still turned up to work that day. They were intelligent, thoughtful young women and we liked and trusted them. The dance show was cancelled, but they wanted to put on a normal day for the children. Our daughter ran inside and started painting. Then, behind us, another set of parents arrived looking equally washed out. Then another, and another. We decided, in the end, to leave them for two hours. We put their bags on the pegs and saw the one labelled "Madeleine". Heads bent, we walked away, into the guilty glare of the morning sun.

Locals and holidaymakers had started circulating photocopied pictures of Madeleine, while others continued searching the beaches and village apartments. People were talking about what had happened or sat silently, staring blankly. We didn't see any police.

Later, there was a knock on our apartment door and we let the two men in. One was a uniformed Portuguese policeman, the other his translator. The translator had a squint and sweated slightly. He was breathless, perhaps a little excited. We later found out he was Robert Murat. He reminded me of a boy in my class at school who was bullied.

Through Murat we answered a few questions and gave our details, which the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns.

As the day drew on, the media and more police arrived and we watched from our balcony as reporters practised their pieces to camera outside the McCanns' apartment. We then went back inside and watched them on the news.

We had to duck under the police tape with the pushchair to buy a pint of milk. We would roll past sniffer dogs, local police, then national police, local journalists, and then international journalists, TV reporters and satellite vans. A hundred pairs of eyes and a dozen cameras silently swivelled as we turned down the bend. We pretended, for the children's sake, that this was nothing unusual. Later on, our daughter saw herself with Daddy on TV. That afternoon we sat by the members-only pool, watching the helicopters watching us. We didn't know what else to do.

Saturday came, our last day. While we waited for the airport coach to pick us up, we gathered round the toddler pool by Tapas, making small talk in front of the children. I watched my baby son and daughter closely, shamefully grateful that I could.

We had not seen the McCanns since Thursday, when suddenly they appeared by the pool. The surreal limbo of the past two days suddenly snapped back into painful, awful realtime. It was a shock: the physical transformation of these two human beings was sickening - I felt it as a physical blow. Kate's back and shoulders, her hands, her mouth had reshaped themselves in to the angular manifestation of a silent scream. I thought I might cry and turned so that she wouldn't see. Gerry was upright, his lips now drawn into a thin, impenetrable line. Some people, including Jes, tried to offer comfort. Some gave them hugs. Some stared at their feet, words eluding them. We all wondered what to do. That was the last time we saw Gerry and Kate.

The rest of us left Praia da Luz together, an isolated Mark Warner group. The coach, the airport, the plane passed quietly. There were no other passengers except us. We arrived at Gatwick in the small hours of an early May morning. No jokes, no banter, just goodbye. Though we did not know it then, those few days in May were going to dominate the rest of our year.

"Did you have a good trip?" asked the cabbie at Gatwick, instantly underlining the conversational dilemma that would occupy the first few weeks: Do we say "Yes, thanks" and move swiftly on? Or divulge the "yes-but-no-but" truth of our "Maddy" experience? Everybody talks about holidays, they make good conversational currency at work, at the hairdresser's, in the playground. Everybody asked about ours. I would pause and take a breath, deciding whether there was enough time for what was to follow. People were genuinely horrified by what had happened to Madeleine and even by what we had been through (though we thought ourselves fortunate). Their humanity was a balm and a comfort to us; we needed to talk about it, chew it over and share it out, to make it a little easier to swallow.

The British police came round shortly after our return. Jes was pleased to give them a statement. The Portuguese police had never asked.

As the summer months rolled by, we thought the story would slowly and sadly ebb away, but instead it flourished and multiplied, and it became almost impossible to talk about any-thing else. Friends came for dinner and we would actively try to steer the conversation on to a different subject, always to return to Madeleine. Others solicited our thoughts by text message after any major twist or turn in the case. Acquaintances discussed us in the context of Madeleine, calling in the middle of their debates to clarify details.

I found some immunity in a strange, guilty happiness. We had returned unscathed to our humdrum family routine, my life was wonderful, my world was safe, I was lucky, I was blessed. The colours in the park were acute and hyper-real and the sun warmed my face.

At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.

In August, the doorbell rang. The man was from the Daily Mail. He asked if Jes was in (he wasn't). After he left I spent an anxious evening analysing what I had said, weighing up the possible consequences. The Sol article had brought the Daily Mail; what would happen next? Two days later, the Mail came for Jes again. This time they had computer printout pictures of a bald, heavy-set man seen lurking in some Praia da Luz holiday snaps. The chatroom implication was that the man was Madeleine's abductor. There was talk on the web, the reporter insinuated, that this man might be Jes. I laughed at the ridiculousness of it all and then realised he was serious. I looked at the pictures, and it wasn't Jes.

Once, Jes's father looked him up on the internet and found that "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" was referenced on Google more than 70,000 times. There was talk that he was a "lookout" for Gerry and Kate; there was talk that Jes was orchestrating a reality-TV hoax and Madeleine's disappearance was part of the con; there was talk that the Tapas Nine were all swingers. There was a lot of talk.

In early September, Kate and Gerry became official suspects. Their warm tide of support turned decidedly cool. Had they cruelly conned us all? The public needed to know, and who had seen Gerry at around 9pm on the fateful night? Jes.

Tonight with Trevor McDonald, GMTV, the Sun, the News of the World, the Sunday Mirror, the Daily Express, the Evening Standard and the Independent on Sunday began calling. Jes's office stopped putting through calls from people asking to speak to "Jeremy" (only his grandmother calls him that). Some emails told him that he would be "better off" if he spoke to them or he would "regret it" if he didn't, implying that it was in his interest to defend himself - they didn't say what from.

Quietly, we began to worry that Jes might be next in line for some imagined blame or accusation. On a Saturday night in September, he received a call: we were on the front page of the News of the World. They had surreptitiously taken photographs of us, outside the house. There were no more details. We went to bed, but we could not sleep. "Maddie: the secret witness," said the headline, "TV boss holds vital clue to the mystery." Unfortunately, Jes does not hold any such vital clues. In November, he inched through the events of that May night with Leicestershire detectives, but he saw nothing suspicious, nothing that would further the investigation.

Throughout all this, I have always believed that Gerry and Kate McCann are innocent. When they were made suspects, when they were booed at, when one woman told me she was "glad" they had "done it" because it meant that her child was safe, I began to write this article - because I was there, and I believe that woman is wrong. There were no drug-fuelled "swingers" on our holiday; instead, there was a bunch of ordinary parents wearing Berghaus and worrying about sleep patterns. Secure in our banality, none of us imagined we were being watched. One group made a disastrous decision; Madeleine was vulnerable and was chosen. But in the face of such desperate audacity, it could have been any one of us.

And when I stroke my daughter's hair, or feel her butterfly lips on my cheek, I do so in the knowledge of what might have been. But our experience is nothing, an irrelevance, next to the McCanns' unimaginable grief. Their lives will always be touched by this darkness, while the true culprit may never be brought to light.

So my heart goes out to them, Gerry and Kate, the couple we remember from our Portuguese holiday. They had a beautiful daughter, Madeleine, who played and danced with ours at the kiddie club. That's who we remember.

© Bridget O'Donnell 2007.

· Bridget O'Donnell is a writer and director. The fee from this article will be donated to the Find Madeleine fund (findmadeleine.com).
In other words Gerry and Kate left all three children vulnerable to any Tom, Dick or Harry predator who just happened to pass by.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2019, 05:24:PM
I believe that the McCanns used their children to tempt the local peadophiles, deliberately putting the word out that their children were home alone in their apartment - they did not leave the sliding patio door unlocked, and when they left their apartment they exited via the roadside door which they duly locked..

The missing pass key was used to enter the McCann apartment in order to remove the body whilst both parents were cavorting at the tapas restaurant..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2019, 07:10:PM
NEWS

Outrage as newspaper claims Kate McCann was MI5 agent when Maddie went missing

Portuguese newspaper Sol - which sells 33,000 copies every week - said a source insisted Maddie’s disappearance was linked to her parents' 'secret activities'

By Gerard Couzens
11:17, 28 APR 2019UPDATED08:07, 29 APR 2019

Maddie McCann went missing 12 years ago on Friday
Kate McCann was a secret agent when daughter Maddie went missing, it has been outrageously claimed.

Portuguese newspaper Sol, which sells to 33,000 people every week, linked anguished Kate, 51, to MI5.

Veteran journalist Jose Antonio Saraiva fed wild conspiracy theories, saying a female doctor had contacted him to insist Maddie’s disappearance was linked to her parents “secret activity” because of her mum’s “suspected” MI5 membership.

Friday will mark the 12th anniversary of the three-year-old's disappearance from an apartment in the Portuguese coastal resort of Praia da Luz.

Mr Saraiva gave the hair-brained idea oxygen by claiming it might explain Gordon Brown’s decision to send then-British Ambassador John Buck to to resort after the youngster vanished.

Disgraced ex-Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral, who features heavily in the new Netflix documentary about the case, claimed last year MI5 spies helped cover up her death and disappearance.

Kate McCann has been accused of being a spy when her daughter went missing while Gerry was also 'linked' to MI5
Madeleine McCann’s parents post message of hope as missing anniversary approaches
 
In an Australian documentary which aired last April Mr Amaral, the original lead investigator before his October 2007 sacking for criticising the British police, said British secret agents “for sure had an involvement”.

Lisbon-born Mr Saraiva, who trained as an architect before becoming a journalist, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter’s disappearance. Husband Gerry was also singled out as a potential spy.

He also wrongly identified Gerry and Gordon Brown as old schoolmates by saying: “This would explain the immediate dispatch to Portugal of a representative of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and future Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

“It was said that Brown did it because he was Gerry’s schoolmate. But this explanation doesn’t wash.

“The English are very formal and there’s not the cronyism there that characterises southern Europe.

“A minister doesn’t send an official representative to find out about the disappearance of a little girl because he went to school with her father.”

Maddie went missing in May 2007 aged three

Madeleine McCann case remains unsolved after DNA sample fails to produce match
 
Kate and Gerry McCann have spoken in the past about the hurt speculation and conspiracy theories have caused to the family.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said their refusal to take part in new Netflix series The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann was based on their belief it may encourage conspiracy theorists and would do nothing to help with the ongoing search for her.

He told This Morning last month “the worst of human nature” was spread across social media.

Kate McCann insisted from the outset her daughter had been abducted and she and her husband took Amaral to court over his claims in controversial 2008 book The Truth of the Lie that they had covered up her accidental death in their holiday apartment.

Mr Mitchell revealed last year in an interview one of the “most ridiculous” conspiracy theories he had ever heard was that Madeleine was born as the result of a government cloning project.

Gerry McCann said two years ago of the hurt fake accusations had caused them: “I’m sure it is a very small minority of people who spend their time doing it, but it has totally inhibited what we do.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2019, 07:14:PM
Lisbon-born Mr Saraiva, who trained as an architect before becoming a journalist, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter’s disappearance. Husband Gerry was also singled out as a potential spy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2019, 10:08:PM
Who was Gerry McCann talking to on his mobile phone in Lagos on the 7th May 2007?

Carolyn Kish told me the following:

- she saw Mr McCann at the avenida of Lagos when she tried to withdrew (sic) money from the cash machine next to the Banif outlet.

- Mr McCann looked very upset and said a few time the following ?Don't hurt Madeleine?.

- Carolyn felt this was a very bizar (sic) situation but thought this men (sic) must be an actor or a journalist as he repeted (sic) again and again this sentence.

- Carolyn then walked to the Banco Espiritu Santo outlet a few 100 meters. Carolyn is a customer of BES for many, many years and the staff know her well at the bank.

- The bank staff asked that they whether she heard the latest (sic).The bank staff told her about Madeleine going missing and Carolyn immediately made the connection to the man she saw in front of the cash machine. She told the bank staff that she must have seen Mr McCann just a few minutes ago. Pictures of Mr McCann on TV confirmed this later.

- I understand that Carolyn did not report the above observation till today as she did not think that it makes sense to report an observation on the parents of Madeleine. However, latest development of the case seem to go in another direction.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2019, 10:17:PM
The CD issued by Ministerio Publico de Portimao in July 2008, contains a great deal of information on the mobile calls made and received by the 'Tapas 9' but it is dispersed, difficult to retrieve and with important pages and charts missing. The main documents of interest from the CD are:

* A 3 page report by the Policia Judiaria (undated, but probably 4th May 2007) listing call records retrieved from the handsets of Mr and Mrs McCann
* A detailed (and excellent report) by Inspector Paulo Dias, Inspector of UNI-Sector de An'ise, Lisbon, dated 9th November 2007
* Schedules provided by Vodafone on 14th December 2007 covering a period from 29th April 2007 for Gerald McCann, David Payne, Rachael Mampilly, broken into four separate sections for incoming and outgoing telephone calls, incoming and outgoing SMS traffic
* A second report by Inspector Dias dated 5th February 2008, containing time bars, link charts and maps pinpointing where the 'Tapas 9's' sets were when they activated antennae
* A third report by Inspector Dias dated 2nd June 2008 which includes details of activations of the Luz and other mobile antenna from 28th April 2007 to September 2007
* The Rogatory Letter requests and correspondence dated from 5th December 2007 to May 2007 and responses from the Home Office in April and May 2008

The PJ used a program, called the 'Analyst's Notebook' as well as 'Excel' to handle what were very large datasets. Inspector Dias pointed out that 'Excel' was far from ideal, because of its limited capacity and it seems that much of the data provided was paper based and had to be rekeyed. Also the main focus of the research was limited to the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. But, despite the problems, the PJ's work is impressive, innovative and very detailed. For example, there is a brilliant analysis (which unfortunately led nowhere) based on the hypothesis of two abductors each working with mobiles in the Ocean Club area immediately before Madeleine was reported missing. There is another excellent piece of work which tracks down a misrouted call, from Swansea, to Kate McCann at 11.21 on Wednesday 2nd May 2007.

However, there are potentially serious omissions:

* The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their 'Arguido interviews' on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann's return to the UK in September 2007
* There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner
* When the PJ obtained the McCann's mobiles they do not appear to have retrieved deleted data or to extract their contact lists
* None of the telecom records show triangulation co-ordinates but are limited to identifying the single primary antenna on which calls were registered
* The details of over 50 UK subscribers contacted by the Tapas 9 in the critical period, as well as their onward local and international call records, was included in the Rogatory Letter request in December 2007. If this information was provided, it is not in the CD
* A critical link chart (Anexo 37) for Tuesday 1st May 2007 is missing from Inspector Dias's report

These omissions make interpretation of the data difficult but what is available provides an interesting picture. First, it is obvious that the memories in the McCanns mobiles were incomplete and, in Kate McCann's case, selectively deleted.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea 'wrong number'), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been 'whoosh-clunked' from memory. These deletions could have been accidental, but a high degree of cunning could be implied. Why would she selectively delete everything up to Thursday 3rd May 2007 with the exception of one wrong number and what was her reason for deleting three of the four calls, between 23.14 and 23.17, from her husband on that critical night'. A possible answer is that she wished to avoid alerting the PJ to evidence that details of around 40 calls had been erased and she felt happier leaving something uncontroversial (or misleading) in memory for them to find. Another answer is that, unsurprisingly, she was under the most extreme stress imaginable following the disappearance of her daughter: but why, in that case, give priority to deleting anything. It is the last thing most parents would think about in the circumstances.

The first call found in Geralds mobile memory was timed at 00.30 on Friday 4th May 2007. Again matching antenna records to memory suggests that by the time he gave the handset to the PJ the records of 24 calls or SMSs had been erased, including the one from him found on his wifes handset and timed at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007. It appears that he had deleted details of the four calls he made to her that night and she deleted just three. It was this simple discrepancy that first led the PJ to suspect interference with the handsets.

If the deletions were deliberate (and it is an 'if') it implies the McCanns were both 'forensically aware' and crafty and wanted to hide something from the PJ. For this reason, it is important to explore the call record data and to match it against other evidence.

On Saturday 28th April 2007, after their arrival in Luz, Kate McCann's mobile triggered the antenna 9 times. It is not possible to say, from the available records, whether these were incoming or outgoing calls or SMSs or for how long they lasted. The last activations were at 20.55 and 20.59 when (based on their statements) the Tapas 9 returned for an early night after eating at the Millennium Restaurant with their children. All of these records were erased from the memory of Kate McCanns mobile. Gerald McCanns mobile did not activate any of the Luz antennae that day.

On Sunday 29th April 2007, the first activation of Kate McCanns mobile was at 9.23, but again there are no Vodafone logs or time bars to provide further detail. However, by internally matching the antenna records it appears that she called her husband at 12.26 and 17.02.

The Creche records indicate that he collected Madeleine at 12.15. He also picked up the twins around 17.00 but mistakenly recorded the time as '12.30'. Chances are that the calls from Kate McCann were to check that he had picked up the kids. At 10.13 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx3899. The last activation by Kate McCanns mobile was at 19.30 and Geralds at 17.02.

A pattern on this sheet (and it applies to all of the Tapas 9) is that no activations took place at any time during the week while they were at dinner. So maybe Clarence Mitchell was right, after all, and that they were so 'into each other' that they didn't want to be disturbed while sardine munching and left their mobiles in their rooms. They were never specifically asked this question, but it is very important and the point will be addressed later.

On Monday 30th April 2007, neither of the McCanns telephones activated the Luz transmitters. This looks very odd, especially as they were around the Ocean Club to shuffle the kids to and from the creches. On this afternoon, Madeleine remained in the Creche for only 15 minutes and was picked up by her mother at 15.30. We do not know what Madeleine did for the rest of the day, but it is possible she was being fractious. Interestingly, a friend of Mrs and Mr McCann supposedly told the 'Dispatches' team that made a TV program on the tragedy, that 'Madeleine was a screamer'. This could be interpreted in one of two ways, but any use of the past tense in referring to Madeleine would be very significant. It was such a past tense referral, to her supposedly living children, that alerted the FBI to their murder by Susan Smith, their mother.

On Tuesday 1st May 2007, Gerald McCann's handset was silent all day. Kate McCanns mobile first activated the Luz antenna at 10.16, but all details of the days calls have been deleted from the handset and there is no nothing in the CD from her mobile provider. Another activation took place at 12.17. The Creche records show that Gerald McCann picked up Madeleine at 12.20 (a bit earlier than usual) but Kate McCann's call at 12.17 does not appear to have been to him, (because his mobile was not activated at all that day). Kate McCann dealt with her last call before leaving for the Tapas Bar at 20.35.

At around 8.45pm on Tuesday 1st May 2007, Miss Nejoua Chekeya, the Ocean Clubs busty Aerobics Instructor, held a 'Quiz Night' and was later invited, allegedly by Gerald McCann, to join his table which she did sometime between 9.30pm and 9.50pm. She did not say how long she had remained with them, but she is not the sort of woman men would wish see to leave too quickly. Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann.

However, both Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien have stated that he did not go to the Tapas Bar on the 'Quiz Night' (ie Tuesday 1st May 2007), but had stayed in their room looking after his sick daughter. Jane Tanner took his dinner to the room; thus explaining the unused plate setting. Russell O'Brien was not asked by either the Polícia Judiciaria or Leicestershire Police whether he had heard Madeleine crying!

Kate McCanns mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the 'Tapas 9'.

The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the 'Tapas 9' left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner. Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesperson, confirmed this. In an interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of 'The Guardian', Mr Mitchell said: 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened'. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got'

Mrs Fenn, the McCanns neighbour, reported that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying. Tuesday 1st May 2007 is the only night (except, of course, for Thursday 3rd May 2007) that either of the McCanns or any of their friends made calls after dinner.

Mrs McCann volunteered to the PJ that on the night of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she had slept in the spare bed in her childrens room because her husband had not paid her enough attention over dinner. Or put another way, does she mean the amorous Scot was paying someone else (like Miss Chekeya) too much attention, causing her to stomp out of the Tapas Bar before him: ultimately leading to the spare bed in a strop' Gerald McCann said he thought the reason his wife had slept in the childrens bedroom was because of his snoring and that he did not even bother asking her the following morning what the problem was.

Could it be that their timings are wrong by 24 hours and that Kate McCanns nocturnal shenanigans took place on the night of Tuesday 1st May 2007' It would fit, but why be untruthful about it' A possible reason is that they wanted to conceal both Kate McCanns state of mind and the fact that she had returned to Apartment 5A, just before Madeleines cried for help.

On Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Kate McCann called her friend 'Amanda' at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning: so Kate McCann was 'up with the larks'. Amanda returned the calls at 7.50. There is no record of how long any of these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs. They were all deleted from memory.

At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response.

At 11.21 Kate received a call from what appears to be a landline in Swansea ( xxxxx0023). The report by Inspector Dias researched this call in detail (Page 21 in his report of 9th November 2007) and discovered that it had not activated any of the Luz antennae. But digging deeper, he found that another UK mobile (xxxxx 1583) had triggered the Luz antenna when connecting to the same Swansea number at 14.01. He dug even deeper, tracked all of the calls made from Luz by xxxx1583 and established it had no connection whatsoever with any of the 'Tapas 9'. The Swansea call to Kate McCann was simply a 'wrong number', misrouted and thus not logged by the Luz antennae.

What Inspector Dias did not realise was that the Swansea call had become so special to Kate McCann that, when deleting all of the other Portuguese call records from memory, she decided to leave this one intact.

Gerald received five further calls from the SMS message centre and at 15.50 called 91121, probably to collect his messages. He received further calls from the centre at 17.49 and 19.49. The records provided by Vodafone show these calls but that they originate from a different mobile number (0xxxx014310)

At 20.08 Kate McCann received two calls from a UK mobile xxxx7624 and six minutes late Gerald McCann called 91121: again to collect messages before he left for the Tapas Bar. This was the last activation of the day by either of the McCanns; probably confirming that their mobiles remained in Apartment 5A when they went to dinner.

On Thursday 3rd May 2007 (the critical day) at 8.23 and 8.24 Kate McCanns mobile activated the antenna to call xxxx7624. There is nothing in file to indicate the owner of this mobile but it does not appear to be any of the McCann family or friends.

At 12.24 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK Mobile xxxx1746. Again there is no clue in the file to the subscribers name. At 12.31 Kate McCann received a call (or SMS) from her mothers mobile and responded an hour later.

Neither of the McCanns appears to have had any further activity on their telephones until after Madeleine was reported missing when Gerald McCann called his wife four times between 23.14 and 23.52. At 23.40 he called his sister ' Trish Cameron and at 23.52 -Janet Kennedy.

The batch of SMS messages received by Gerald McCann on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 seems to have caused him some anxiety. Although the number '07818520047' is in a block allocated to Vodafone, the company has no record of the subscriber's name. When the number is dialled, connection is made to a recorded message which explains that changes have been made to the way customers can access their mailboxes and that they can now dial '121' from their handset or '07836121121' from any other telephone.

Thus the number appears to be a message box for Gerald McCann that sends him an SMS when his mobile is unable to accept a call (because it is out of range or turned off). However, when he was asked by 'Expresso TV' on 6th September 2008 about the 'sixteen SMS messages' received, he flustered:

'No one has ever asked to see any of my text messages. There is no way that there 16 messages on that day or even the day after, you know. You know, the day after, you know that we got'' Kate McCann came to his rescue and interrupted; 'Gerry hardly ever sends text messages until the day after, the day after Madeleine was taken'. Gerald McCann continued: 'so you know that it is actually rubbish'

Their McCann's denials were, of course, technically true although perhaps disingenuous - because there were only 14 messages received on the day before they reported Madeleine missing and two on the day after.

There were 16 SMS messages, in total, so why prevaricate and deny an allegation that was never made. The question was about received messages, not those sent, and on the day before not on 3rd May 2007 or the day after! In the field of forensic linguistics you must always concentrate on the precise wording of denials and especially on those of allegations not made. The denials made by the McCanns are suspicious. However, Mrs McCanns statement about her husband not sending SMS messages, until after Madeleines disappearance, is confirmed by Vodafones records.

Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephones memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wifes handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleines attendance at the 'Lobsters' creche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleines 'disappearance'; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.

Of course, this is speculation and it is entirely possible that further investigation and the much awaited transparency by Mr and Mrs McCann will totally exonerate them. But why dont they simply produce the SMS messages and explain why call details were deleted'

By Paulo Reis and associates
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2019, 10:39:PM
Who was Gerry McCann talking to on his mobile phone in Lagos on the 7th May 2007?

Carolyn Kish told me the following:

- she saw Mr McCann at the avenida of Lagos when she tried to withdrew (sic) money from the cash machine next to the Banif outlet.

- Mr McCann looked very upset and said a few time the following ?

Don't hurt Madeleine?.

- Carolyn felt this was a very bizar (sic) situation but thought this men (sic) must be an actor or a journalist as he repeted (sic) again and again this sentence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 08, 2019, 11:15:PM
Calls made to / from Gerry McCanns mobile phone (0447786986188) whilst in Lagos on Sunday 7th May 2007, at the following times:-


12:00:33 hours
0447912067489 - call lasted 47 seconds

  13:15:04 hours
351000968517291 - call lasted 4 minutes and 8 seconds

 13:37:29 hours
0447766471540 - call lasted 30 seconds

13:38:56 hours
351000962481725 - call lasted 2 minutes and 11 seconds

Carolyn Kish - BINGO!

Gerry McCann was in Lagos between 12:00:33 hours and 13:41:07 hours, talking to an abductor - he knows what happened to Madeleine McCann..

It should be relatively simple and straight forward to trace the owners of these four telephone numbers   0447912067489,  351000968517291,  0447766471540 and  351000962481725).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 12:11:AM
On evening Thursday 3rd May 2007, at 21:19:08 hours,  Gerry McCann was enjoying a 3 minutes and 31 seconds conversation on his mobile phone, (0447786986188), with someone with the mobile no. 35100282789879 (Portimao)..
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 12:18:AM
On evening Thursday 3rd May 2007, at 21:19:08 hours,  Gerry McCann was enjoying a 3 minutes and 31 seconds conversation on his mobile phone, (0447786986188), with someone with the mobile no. 35100282789879 (Portimao)..

And yet, no-one at the tapas restaurant say they saw Gerry McCann using his mobile phone that evening. I thought the tapas nine adults all left their mobile phones back in the apartments?

Nobody saw Gerry McCan using his mobile phone in the restaurant between 21:19:08 hours and 21:22 :39 hours..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 12:39:AM
Carolyn Kish told me the following:

- she saw Mr McCann at the avenida of Lagos when she tried to withdrew (sic) money from the cash machine next to the Banif outlet.

- Mr McCann looked very upset and said a few time the following?

Don't hurt Madeleine?

 The Avenida referred to, is a hotel in Lagos. Reference to the Banif outlet a reference to a bank for foreigners, ex - Pat...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 12:50:AM
I wonder what Gerry McCann was doing outside the Avenida hotel, and a bank, on a Sunday afternoon? Maybe he went there to meet somebody, a guest of the hotel - if Carolyn Kish got it right then Gerry McCann was talking to somebody who had control of Madeleine McCann four days after she had been reportedly taken...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 08:09:AM
Phone calls made from / to Gerry McCanns mobile phone on Thursday 3rd and Friday 4th May 2007 had durations of seconds. For example, on Thursday 3rd May 2007 the following mobile no. Was in communication with Gerry McCanns mobile phone - 0447912020786, there was a 32 seconds connection commencing at 10:33:30, a 15 seconds connection, commencing at 10:48:46, a 5 seconds connection commencing at 15:12:51, and on Friday 4th May 2007, a 2 minutes and 1 second connection commencing at 11:43:04, then another 5 seconds connection commencing at 12:07:09..

Other very short connections exist between Gerry McCanns mobile phone and the following mobile number - 0447801099065, on Wednesday 2nd May 2007, a 10 seconds connection which commenced at 17:19:56, and two more short connections on Friday 4th May 2007, a 34 seconds duration commencing at 11:51:12, the other connection lasting all of 6 seconds, which commenced at 12:16:21..

Yet, still more short duration telephone calls can be linked with Gerry McCanns mobile telephone (044778698188),for example on Thursday 3rd May 2007, the following mobile no. - 35100282789879 with a duration of 3 minutes and 31 seconds, commencing at 21:19:08 onThursday 3rd May 2007, followed by a further two relatively short connections on Friday 4th May 2007, the first a call lasting 1 minute 7 seconds which commenced at 10:00:49, the other consisting of a 1 minute 55 seconds in duration commencing at 12:45:51..

Last but not least, another mobile phone device in connection with Gerry McCanns mobile telephone - 35100091121, two such calls made on Thursday 3rd May 2007, one lasting 1 minute and 4 seconds, commencing at 16:37:54, the other (same date) lasting 1 minute and 51 seconds, commencing at 19:51:12, followed on Friday 4th May 2007,  with a 40 seconds connection, which commenced at 15:25:03..

It remains a very distinctive possibility that many if not all of these references to these short duration telephone calls could be part and parcel of some sort of coded contact between Gerry McCann and any potential abductor or gang member..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 11:13:AM

The PJ used a program, called the 'Analyst's Notebook' as well as 'Excel' to handle what were very large datasets. Inspector Dias pointed out that 'Excel' was far from ideal, because of its limited capacity and it seems that much of the data provided was paper based and had to be rekeyed. Also the main focus of the research was limited to the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. But, despite the problems, the PJ's work is impressive, innovative and very detailed. For example, there is a brilliant analysis (which unfortunately led nowhere) based on the hypothesis of two abductors each working with mobiles in the Ocean Club area immediately before Madeleine was reported missing. There is another excellent piece of work which tracks down a misrouted call, from Swansea, to Kate McCann at 11.21 on Wednesday 2nd May 2007.

However, there are potentially serious omissions:

* The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their 'Arguido interviews' on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann's return to the UK in September 2007
* There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner
* When the PJ obtained the McCann's mobiles they do not appear to have retrieved deleted data or to extract their contact lists
* None of the telecom records show triangulation co-ordinates but are limited to identifying the single primary antenna on which calls were registered
* The details of over 50 UK subscribers contacted by the Tapas 9 in the critical period, as well as their onward local and international call records, was included in the Rogatory Letter request in December 2007. If this information was provided, it is not in the CD
* A critical link chart (Anexo 37) for Tuesday 1st May 2007 is missing from Inspector Dias's report

These omissions make interpretation of the data difficult but what is available provides an interesting picture. First, it is obvious that the memories in the McCanns mobiles were incomplete and, in Kate McCann's case, selectively deleted.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea 'wrong number'), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been 'whoosh-clunked' from memory. These deletions could have been accidental, but a high degree of cunning could be implied. Why would she selectively delete everything up to Thursday 3rd May 2007 with the exception of one wrong number and what was her reason for deleting three of the four calls, between 23.14 and 23.17, from her husband on that critical night'. A possible answer is that she wished to avoid alerting the PJ to evidence that details of around 40 calls had been erased and she felt happier leaving something uncontroversial (or misleading) in memory for them to find. Another answer is that, unsurprisingly, she was under the most extreme stress imaginable following the disappearance of her daughter: but why, in that case, give priority to deleting anything. It is the last thing most parents would think about in the circumstances.

The first call found in Geralds mobile memory was timed at 00.30 on Friday 4th May 2007. Again matching antenna records to memory suggests that by the time he gave the handset to the PJ the records of 24 calls or SMSs had been erased, including the one from him found on his wifes handset and timed at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007. It appears that he had deleted details of the four calls he made to her that night and she deleted just three. It was this simple discrepancy that first led the PJ to suspect interference with the handsets.

If the deletions were deliberate (and it is an 'if') it implies the McCanns were both 'forensically aware' and crafty and wanted to hide something from the PJ. For this reason, it is important to explore the call record data and to match it against other evidence.

On Saturday 28th April 2007, after their arrival in Luz, Kate McCann's mobile triggered the antenna 9 times. It is not possible to say, from the available records, whether these were incoming or outgoing calls or SMSs or for how long they lasted. The last activations were at 20.55 and 20.59 when (based on their statements) the Tapas 9 returned for an early night after eating at the Millennium Restaurant with their children. All of these records were erased from the memory of Kate McCanns mobile. Gerald McCanns mobile did not activate any of the Luz antennae that day.

On Sunday 29th April 2007, the first activation of Kate McCanns mobile was at 9.23, but again there are no Vodafone logs or time bars to provide further detail. However, by internally matching the antenna records it appears that she called her husband at 12.26 and 17.02.

The Creche records indicate that he collected Madeleine at 12.15. He also picked up the twins around 17.00 but mistakenly recorded the time as '12.30'. Chances are that the calls from Kate McCann were to check that he had picked up the kids. At 10.13 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx3899. The last activation by Kate McCanns mobile was at 19.30 and Geralds at 17.02.

A pattern on this sheet (and it applies to all of the Tapas 9) is that no activations took place at any time during the week while they were at dinner. So maybe Clarence Mitchell was right, after all, and that they were so 'into each other' that they didn't want to be disturbed while sardine munching and left their mobiles in their rooms. They were never specifically asked this question, but it is very important and the point will be addressed later.

On Monday 30th April 2007, neither of the McCanns telephones activated the Luz transmitters. This looks very odd, especially as they were around the Ocean Club to shuffle the kids to and from the creches. On this afternoon, Madeleine remained in the Creche for only 15 minutes and was picked up by her mother at 15.30. We do not know what Madeleine did for the rest of the day, but it is possible she was being fractious. Interestingly, a friend of Mrs and Mr McCann supposedly told the 'Dispatches' team that made a TV program on the tragedy, that 'Madeleine was a screamer'. This could be interpreted in one of two ways, but any use of the past tense in referring to Madeleine would be very significant. It was such a past tense referral, to her supposedly living children, that alerted the FBI to their murder by Susan Smith, their mother.

On Tuesday 1st May 2007, Gerald McCann's handset was silent all day. Kate McCanns mobile first activated the Luz antenna at 10.16, but all details of the days calls have been deleted from the handset and there is no nothing in the CD from her mobile provider. Another activation took place at 12.17. The Creche records show that Gerald McCann picked up Madeleine at 12.20 (a bit earlier than usual) but Kate McCann's call at 12.17 does not appear to have been to him, (because his mobile was not activated at all that day). Kate McCann dealt with her last call before leaving for the Tapas Bar at 20.35.

At around 8.45pm on Tuesday 1st May 2007, Miss Nejoua Chekeya, the Ocean Clubs busty Aerobics Instructor, held a 'Quiz Night' and was later invited, allegedly by Gerald McCann, to join his table which she did sometime between 9.30pm and 9.50pm. She did not say how long she had remained with them, but she is not the sort of woman men would wish see to leave too quickly. Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann.

However, both Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien have stated that he did not go to the Tapas Bar on the 'Quiz Night' (ie Tuesday 1st May 2007), but had stayed in their room looking after his sick daughter. Jane Tanner took his dinner to the room; thus explaining the unused plate setting. Russell O'Brien was not asked by either the Polícia Judiciaria or Leicestershire Police whether he had heard Madeleine crying!

Kate McCanns mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the 'Tapas 9'.

The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the 'Tapas 9' left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner. Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesperson, confirmed this. In an interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of 'The Guardian', Mr Mitchell said: 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened'. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got'

Mrs Fenn, the McCanns neighbour, reported that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying. Tuesday 1st May 2007 is the only night (except, of course, for Thursday 3rd May 2007) that either of the McCanns or any of their friends made calls after dinner.

Mrs McCann volunteered to the PJ that on the night of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she had slept in the spare bed in her childrens room because her husband had not paid her enough attention over dinner. Or put another way, does she mean the amorous Scot was paying someone else (like Miss Chekeya) too much attention, causing her to stomp out of the Tapas Bar before him: ultimately leading to the spare bed in a strop' Gerald McCann said he thought the reason his wife had slept in the childrens bedroom was because of his snoring and that he did not even bother asking her the following morning what the problem was.

Could it be that their timings are wrong by 24 hours and that Kate McCanns nocturnal shenanigans took place on the night of Tuesday 1st May 2007' It would fit, but why be untruthful about it' A possible reason is that they wanted to conceal both Kate McCanns state of mind and the fact that she had returned to Apartment 5A, just before Madeleines cried for help.

On Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Kate McCann called her friend 'Amanda' at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning: so Kate McCann was 'up with the larks'. Amanda returned the calls at 7.50. There is no record of how long any of these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs. They were all deleted from memory.

At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response.

At 11.21 Kate received a call from what appears to be a landline in Swansea ( xxxxx0023). The report by Inspector Dias researched this call in detail (Page 21 in his report of 9th November 2007) and discovered that it had not activated any of the Luz antennae. But digging deeper, he found that another UK mobile (xxxxx 1583) had triggered the Luz antenna when connecting to the same Swansea number at 14.01. He dug even deeper, tracked all of the calls made from Luz by xxxx1583 and established it had no connection whatsoever with any of the 'Tapas 9'. The Swansea call to Kate McCann was simply a 'wrong number', misrouted and thus not logged by the Luz antennae.

What Inspector Dias did not realise was that the Swansea call had become so special to Kate McCann that, when deleting all of the other Portuguese call records from memory, she decided to leave this one intact.

Gerald received five further calls from the SMS message centre and at 15.50 called 91121, probably to collect his messages. He received further calls from the centre at 17.49 and 19.49. The records provided by Vodafone show these calls but that they originate from a different mobile number (0xxxx014310)

At 20.08 Kate McCann received two calls from a UK mobile xxxx7624 and six minutes late Gerald McCann called 91121: again to collect messages before he left for the Tapas Bar. This was the last activation of the day by either of the McCanns; probably confirming that their mobiles remained in Apartment 5A when they went to dinner.

On Thursday 3rd May 2007 (the critical day) at 8.23 and 8.24 Kate McCanns mobile activated the antenna to call xxxx7624. There is nothing in file to indicate the owner of this mobile but it does not appear to be any of the McCann family or friends.

At 12.24 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK Mobile xxxx1746. Again there is no clue in the file to the subscribers name. At 12.31 Kate McCann received a call (or SMS) from her mothers mobile and responded an hour later.

Neither of the McCanns appears to have had any further activity on their telephones until after Madeleine was reported missing when Gerald McCann called his wife four times between 23.14 and 23.52. At 23.40 he called his sister ' Trish Cameron and at 23.52 -Janet Kennedy.

The batch of SMS messages received by Gerald McCann on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 seems to have caused him some anxiety. Although the number '07818520047' is in a block allocated to Vodafone, the company has no record of the subscriber's name. When the number is dialled, connection is made to a recorded message which explains that changes have been made to the way customers can access their mailboxes and that they can now dial '121' from their handset or '07836121121' from any other telephone.

Thus the number appears to be a message box for Gerald McCann that sends him an SMS when his mobile is unable to accept a call (because it is out of range or turned off). However, when he was asked by 'Expresso TV' on 6th September 2008 about the 'sixteen SMS messages' received, he flustered:

'No one has ever asked to see any of my text messages. There is no way that there 16 messages on that day or even the day after, you know. You know, the day after, you know that we got'' Kate McCann came to his rescue and interrupted; 'Gerry hardly ever sends text messages until the day after, the day after Madeleine was taken'. Gerald McCann continued: 'so you know that it is actually rubbish'

Their McCann's denials were, of course, technically true although perhaps disingenuous - because there were only 14 messages received on the day before they reported Madeleine missing and two on the day after.

There were 16 SMS messages, in total, so why prevaricate and deny an allegation that was never made. The question was about received messages, not those sent, and on the day before not on 3rd May 2007 or the day after! In the field of forensic linguistics you must always concentrate on the precise wording of denials and especially on those of allegations not made. The denials made by the McCanns are suspicious. However, Mrs McCanns statement about her husband not sending SMS messages, until after Madeleines disappearance, is confirmed by Vodafones records.

Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephones memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wifes handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleines attendance at the 'Lobsters' creche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleines 'disappearance'; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.

Of course, this is speculation and it is entirely possible that further investigation and the much awaited transparency by Mr and Mrs McCann will totally exonerate them. But why dont they simply produce the SMS messages and explain why call details were deleted'

By Paulo Reis and associates

(*) This report is a result of cooperation with a leading international investigative firm that is in the closing stages of an 18 month intensive investigation that is expected to reopen the case in Portugal and to start new proceedings in the UK.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 03:22:PM
Statement of Carolyn Kish

Statement date 21.11.07

I am a British national, and I live in a house in the village in Portugal having lived there for 9 years.

I used to live in Worcester and my family still live there.

I came back to UK on 23rd April 07 to Coventry. I believe with Fly Thomson and was travelling alone.

I flew back with the same airline on 30th April from Coventry to Faro.

I had booked my travel arrangements through a company in Lagos. Part of the package included collecting me from faro and taking me home.

I didn't see any news as my T.V. was not working.

On the afternoon of Monday 7.5.07 I was in Lagos as I needed to do some banking. My car is xxxx coloured and has an English Registration.

Near to the main road in Lagos is a pedestrian area. There are parking spaces at the side and I parked in one of those spaces. There are ATMS near there and I went to the one on the left hand. I don't know what the bank is called but it is about 3 doors away from the Banco Espirito Santos.

On walking towards the ATM I was aware of a man in the pedestrian area. He was holding something to his ear which I thought might be a Dictaphone but later assumed it was a mobile phone.

I noticed him as he was talking very loudly. I remember him saying 'PLEASE DO NOT HURT MADELEINE' There was a lot of other speech, but I can only remember that phrase.

I think he had a notebook in his left hand and I think he was holding the phone in his right hand. The notebook seemed to be the type that journalists use. He seemed very upset and the way he was acting and with the notebook I assumed he was an actor or journalist.

It was very quiet and no-one else was around.

He was pacing up and down, being 10 metres away from me at the furthest, and the closest he was just a few feet away as he walked past me at the back while I was using the ATM.

I would describe him as a white male about 5.6' with pale mousey coloured hair. It think he was wearing an overcoat or raincoat of dark coloured with grey being the main colour I remember. I thought he was talking with a slight Irish accent.

I withdrew 150 Euros at the bank and I also withdraw some cash from my fathers account. I was at the machine for a couple of minutes and when I left the man was still there walking and pacing up and down. I thought to myself 'who's Madeleine'. When I got back into my car the man was still there as I drove away.

I had a lot of chances to see the man's face during that time, and I had never seen him before.


The account the card services is xxxxxxxxxxxxxx in my name at the xxxxx branch. The sort code xxxxxxxx and the account no. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. The card has now been replaced with another sand I don't have the old card number.


I was then going to xxxxxx (a two minute drive away. I was going to do some insurance paperwork.

I have been a member of this bank for many years and am known by staff there. There were 3 staff working and I know that lunch is between 1pm and 2pm, so I think my visit was before that. One of the staff was xxxxx, one was xxx. I was talking to the one of the staff xxxxx. She has a daughter called xxxxx and she always chats when I visit.

She asked me if I heard about the missing English girl. I said I hadn't seen any news. She told me the missing child was called Madeleine and had gone missing from a resort along the coast. I told her that the man I had just heard must have been the father of the child. I only assumed this by logic and from the conversation AFTER the fact.

In relation to the identity of the man I saw I thought initially that he must be the father based on what he said and what the staff had said about the missing girl.

I went to the third local bank to do some more banking.

I don't usually watch or follow news. But months after this saw a news report on the local TV station at home. The footage showed the father of the missing girl. At that point I realised it was the man I had seen on the occasion above. I had not seen this picture before, but I am as sure as can be that he is the person.

I have been asked whether I have made this assumption but I do not believe I have. I am 99.99% sure if shown his photograph with lots of others I would have picked him out as the man.

I have heard GM on t.v. And my interpretation of his accent is that it's slight Scottish or Irish.

I am more interested in the case and have been following it since this event.


In September 2007, I was at a health club of xxxx. There was a kid's party.

Some of the children were walking off and I was worried because of what happened to Madeleine. I kept a watch on them returning them to the group when they walked off. There was also a large t.v. Which showed news about the case. I started talking about it to a man known as xxxxxx I told him what I had seen previously in Lagos. When I told him he said I should go to the police.

I asked him to come with me and he did. We went to the local station, they referred me to the GNR. We went there and they gave an email address for the PJ at Portimao. He then sent them an email and an officer made contact with me.

In relation to the times and dates I can add the following.

I keep a diary which I record a lot of detail in, in particular appointments and finance matters. It is kept up to date and I am not aware of any errors. It shows that 150 euros was withdrawn on 7th may, to cover my phone bill.

I authorise the British or Portuguese police to make any enquiries in relation to these financial transactions.

When I first spoke to the British police about this, I was under the impression that the events happened on the 2nd May. This was before the girl went missing and therefore not correct. I examined my bank statements and found the withdrawal from the ATM, my visit to sort out my insurance and the deposit to the third bank took place in the afternoon of 7th May. My bank have advised me that the cash withdrawal took place at 2.26pm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 03:30:PM
On walking towards the ATM I was aware of a man in the pedestrian area. He was holding something to his ear which I thought might be a Dictaphone  but later assumed it was a mobile phone (it could have been a mobile phone, a Dictaphone, or a two way hand held radio) ...

I noticed him as he was talking very loudly. I remember him saying 'PLEASE DO NOT HURT MADELEINE' There was a lot of other speech, but I can only remember that phrase.

I think he had a notebook in his left hand and I think he was holding the phone in his right hand. The notebook seemed to be the type that journalists use. He seemed very upset and the way he was acting and with the notebook I assumed he was an actor or journalist.

It was very quiet and no-one else was around.

He was pacing up and down, being 10 metres away from me at the furthest, and the closest he was just a few feet away as he walked past me at the back while I was using the ATM.

I would describe him as a white male about 5.6' with pale mousey coloured hair. It think he was wearing an overcoat or raincoat of dark coloured with grey being the main colour I remember. I thought he was talking with a slight Irish accent.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 03:45:PM
On walking towards the ATM I was aware of a man in the pedestrian area. He was holding something to his ear which I thought might be a Dictaphone  but later assumed it was a mobile phone (it could have been a mobile phone, a Dictaphone, or a two way hand held radio) ...

I noticed him as he was talking very loudly. I remember him saying 'PLEASE DO NOT HURT MADELEINE' There was a lot of other speech, but I can only remember that phrase.

Carolyn Trish withdrew monies from the ATM at 2.26pm on the afternoon of Sunday 7th May 2007. According to available phone records belonging to Gerry McCanns mobile phone, he did not make or receive any calls on the 7th May 2007 at or from 2.26pm. This could mean that Mr McCann was using a Dictaphone, or a two way radio. Alternatively, he could have simply erased the call from his phones memory, in the same way he erased the 32 phone records in relation to 1st May 2007 from his own phone...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 09, 2019, 05:01:PM

Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephones memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wifes handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleines attendance at the 'Lobsters' creche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleines 'disappearance'; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.

Of course, this is speculation and it is entirely possible that further investigation and the much awaited transparency by Mr and Mrs McCann will totally exonerate them. But why dont they simply produce the SMS messages and explain why call details were deleted'

There exists too many contradictions around events on Tuesday 1st May and Wednesday 2nd May 2007, involving deleted phone records on the McCann parents mobile phones. Problems with the crèche records for the same dates. I feel certain that Madeleine died somewhere between 11.45pm on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007 and breakfast time on the following morning, and that the McCanns used the daughter of Russell O'Brien / Jane Tanner to pose as Madeleine during events played out on Wednesday 2nd May and Thursday 3rd May 2007. O'Brien and Tanner agreed to allow the McCann parents to use their own daughter as a substitute for Madeleine. They manufactured this unlikeliest scenario by claiming that their daughter was sick and bed ridden as such, and had been suffering since the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 09:01:AM
In a startling new development, one of the e-fit suspects has been identified in a photograph taken of Gerry McCann and Jane Tanner. Moreover, he is wearing the exact Same light blue jeans and dark kaghoul that I found discarded in the derelict building in 2010...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 09:05:AM
In a startling new development, one of the e-fit suspects has been identified in a photograph taken of Gerry McCann and Jane Tanner. Moreover, he is wearing the exact Same light blue jeans and dark coloured kaghoul that I found discarded in the derelict building in 2010 close to the Location of a shallow grave in a hollow of its back garden...

Gerry McCann knows this man's name, and contact details, because there was definitely contact between the actual abductor and Mr McCann from 4th May 2007, onwards. Hence why by Sunday 7th May 2007, Gerry McCann was visiting the Lagos area attempting to secure the release of Madeleine McCann (an event witnessed by Carolyn Trish, to which she refers)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 09:56:AM
I don't believe that Russell O'Brien was ill and that this caused him to be absent from his scheduled meal at the tapas bar. Neither do I believe that his daughter (Ella) was unwell with sickness and vommitting on evening of Wednesday 2nd and Thursday  3rd May 2007, I think this was introduced to enable one or more of the tapas nine group to be absent from the tapas restaurant to assist with the taking of Madeleine McCanns body out of apartment 5A that Thursday evening. I believe it's conceivable that the child who was heard by Mrs Fenn crying persistently between around 10.30pm and 11.45pm on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007 might not have been Madeleine McCann at all, but the O'Bruen / Tanner daughter (Ella) who was roughly of the same age as Madeleine McCann, and that Madeleine could have already been dead prior to then, for example, either on 30th or 29th May 2007..

If this be true, it means that between them the McCann / O'Brien / and Tanner parents used the child Ella as a substitute for Madeleine McCann who was already dead, and that the McCanns introduced Ella as their own Daughter, known to the crèche staff by the name of Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 10:00:AM
I don't believe that Russell O'Brien was ill and that this caused him to be absent from his scheduled meal at the tapas bar. Neither do I believe that his daughter (Ella) was unwell with sickness and vommitting on evening of Wednesday 2nd and Thursday  3rd May 2007, I think this was introduced to enable one or more of the tapas nine group to be absent from the tapas restaurant to assist with the taking of Madeleine McCanns body out of apartment 5A that Thursday evening. I believe it's conceivable that the child who was heard by Mrs Fenn crying persistently between around 10.30pm and 11.45pm on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007 might not have been Madeleine McCann at all, but the O'Bruen / Tanner daughter (Ella) who was roughly of the same age as Madeleine McCann, and that Madeleine could have already been dead prior to then, for example, either on 30th or 29th May 2007..

If this be true, it means that between them the McCann / O'Brien / and Tanner parents used the child Ella as a substitute for Madeleine McCann who was already dead, and that the McCanns introduced Ella as their own Daughter, known to the crèche staff by the name of Madeleine McCann...

Holiday photographs taken of the O'Brien / Tanner child (Ella) reveal a very strong resemblance to photographs released after 5 years depicting Madeleine McCann - in other words the real Madeleine McCann may never have been registered at the crèche on any occasion ( the I'Brien / Tanner child was)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 10:02:AM
If anyone would like copies of the photographic images I have been referring to in recent posts, simply email me at miketesko@yahoo.co.uk and I will provide these...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 10:13:AM
Then of course, there is the matter of a new USA film which it's producers have shelved because of a series of remarkable coincidences between it, and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 10:34:AM
Then of course, there is the matter of a new USA film which it's producers have shelved because of a series of remarkable coincidences between it, and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

Remember, the 'Find the Maddie, fund' that was set up a year before she even went on the holiday resort., and the career of 'Jez Wilkes' ( film producer) who just so happens to be on hand with a convenient access to the business and everything else which may be of interest?

Is the disappearance of Madeleine McCann real, or simply part of a advertising campaign with a view of promoting the very film due out any time soon in the USA..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 12:48:PM
 At child actress, name Madeleine O'Brien who stars in the latest USA blockbuster film, bears a  remarkakable resemblance to the features and the characteristics of Madeleine Beth McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 12:51:PM
 I want to see a true copy of Madeleine Beth McCann's birth certificate..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 12:53:PM
I want to see a true copy of Madeleine Beth McCann's birth certificate..

For all we know she may not even be a real person..!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 12:59:PM
For all we know, Madeleine may simply have been a pawn in the sexual services domain...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 01:03:PM
However, cybertronics will get to the truth...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 04:01:PM
The image of the O'Brien / Tanner child (Ella) could easily be presented as an image of the McCann parents sibling ( Madeleine McCann)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 04:05:PM
What if, the alleged kidnapping of Madeleine McCann on the evening Thursday, 3rd May 2007, quite simply did not and could not have happened?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 05:17:PM
It seems somewhat obvious to me that the disappearance or the taking of the death of Madeleine McCann almost certainly did not happen on the evening of Thursday 3rd of May 2007...

Everything  points to something having gone wrong on a much earlier occasion...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 10, 2019, 10:18:PM
Kate McCann was present inside apartment 5A when Mrs Fenn heard crying coming from the McCann apartment below, which started at 10.30pm, on Tuesday 1st May 2007 and lasted until 11.45pm the same evening.We know Kate was in the apartment because she made a telephone call to a friend using her mobile phone. This was the evening when most of the tapas nine went to Chaplin's bar, after their meal at the Ocean club tapas restaurant, and taking part in a quiz. So why did Madeleine cry continually for one hour and fithteen minutes, if Kate was present all along? It doesn't make any sense that Madeleine cried and cried all that time and that Kate ignored her, unless the child who was crying was some other 3 / 4 year old girl, such as Ella the daughter of Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 12, 2019, 07:28:PM
I am convinced that the O'Brien / Tanner daughter (Ella) 'was not  ill' on either Tuesday 1st, Wednesday 2nd, or Thursday 3rd May 2007, but that this was imbedded into the folklore of Madeleine McCanns demise...

The McCann daughter and the O'Brien / Tanner daughter, looked like one another...

Simpler in age and appearance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 12, 2019, 07:34:PM
I am convinced that the O'Brien / Tanner daughter (Ella) 'was not  ill' on either Tuesday 1st, Wednesday 2nd, or Thursday 3rd May 2007, but that this was imbedded into the folklore of Madeleine McCanns demise...

The McCann daughter and the O'Brien / Tanner daughter looked like one another...

Both, looked similar and both were primarily of the same age .....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 12, 2019, 07:49:PM
The McCann parents wanted to make the police focus upon the fact that Madeleine had been taken on that Thursday the
3rd May, 2007 evening, but they have failed miserably in trying to establish this / that...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 12, 2019, 07:56:PM
Everything points to Kate Healey knowing that Madeleine died in apartment 5A that Tuesday (1st May 2007) evening. She (Madeleine) was dead, she had died in the family apartment - at that stage / point the parents found themselves trapped and could not decide on what to do...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 13, 2019, 07:44:AM
Were the tapas 9 group and their young children, in Portugal From late April 2007 , onwards, as part of an international undercover operation into gangs of peadophile who were operating in the Algarve?

In particular, concerning known people who were living in Praia de Luz, and or working at the Ocean Club?

Is that the reason why the McCann parents and their friends received and continue to receive so much support from the British Government, and multi - millions of tax payers money has been pumped into funding Scotland Yards inquiry into the matter?
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Telegraph.co.uk

By Henry Samuel 03 Sep 2010

HOME»NEWS»WORLD NEWS»EUROPE»PORTUGAL

Six found guilty of sexually abusing 32 children at Portuguese children’s home

A former diplomat, a television presenter and a doctor were among six people found guilty of abusing 32 children at a Portuguese state-run children’s home.

Jorge Ritto, a decorated career diplomat and former UNESCO ambassador, was one of those found guilty

After a marathon six-year trial, the longest in Portuguese legal history, the court ruled that six out of seven defendants on trial, had been members of a network that systematically abused children from the Casa Pia children’s home in the 1990s.

Their crimes included sexually abusing minors and adolescents, raping children and running a paedophile ring.

Casa Pia, a 230-year-old institution, cares for around 4,500 needy children, most of them living in dormitories at its premises around the capital, Lisbon.

The judges began by naming Carlos Silvino, a 53-year old former driver and gardener at Casa Pia, who was found guilty of sexually abusing several under age boys in the orphanage garage and then giving them money. He told the court that he in turn had been the victim of rape while himself an orphan at Casa Pia.

Silvino confessed to more than 600 crimes and incriminated the other defendants.

These included Carlos Cruz, a popular television presenter with a three-decade career in showbusiness, and Jorge Ritto, a decorated career diplomat and former UNESCO ambassador.

Three other men were also convicted of child sex abuse, including a doctor, a lawyer, and a former Casa Pia ombudsman. A 68-year-old woman, Gertrudes Nunes, the owner of a house where “orgies” were said to have taken place, was acquitted.

All six had pleaded innocent. Mr Cruz’s lawyer said his client intended to appeal.

Almost 1,000 witnesses were called during the trial, which critics say has exposed the sluggishness and inefficiency of the Portuguese justice system and shaken public trust in the country’s institutions.

Judges detailed dozens of charges of sex abuse and procuring minors for clients among a total of around 900 that were considered “proven” and sentenced the six to jail terms of between five and 18 years. The heaviest sentence went to Silvino.

Five of the 32 victims, now in their early 20s, were in court with their lawyers. One of them, a 27-year old called Ricardo, sat in the public section and cried and shook nervously during the session.

“They ruined my life,” he said afterwards. “I had to be here today.”

Pedro Namora, another victim, said: “I hope this day will allow us to show the country that the boys have told the truth from the start.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 13, 2019, 08:23:AM

Six found guilty of sexually abusing 32 children at Portuguese children’s home

A former diplomat, a television presenter and a doctor were among six people found guilty of abusing 32 children at a Portuguese state-run children’s home.

These included Carlos Cruz, a popular television presenter with a three-decade career in showbusiness, and Jorge Ritto, a decorated career diplomat and former UNESCO ambassador.

Three other men were also convicted of child sex abuse, including a doctor, a lawyer, and a former Casa Pia ombudsman. A 68-year-old woman, Gertrudes Nunes, the owner of a house where “orgies” were said to have taken place, was acquitted.

A doctor, a television Presenter, a diplomat, and a driver / gardener...

Change the venue and proceed on the basis that Casa Pia be replaced in this debacle with the Ocean Club in Praia de Luz, and there seems to be some startling similarities, although at Casa Pia all the victims were young boys, Madeleine McCann was / is a young girl at the time of her alleged abduction...

The trial of these seven defendants started in 2004, and was still ongoing in May 2007, around the time the McCann entourage arrived at the Ocean club with young children in tow, all the young children were girls with the exception of Sean McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 13, 2019, 08:40:AM
I believe the handwritten note recorded in a reception diary concerning the fact that whilst the McCanns were out wining and dining that they left their three young siblings home alone is an interesting piece of evidence, because only Kate McCann mentioned this to the receptionist. Add to this that the location of the  McCann apartment (5A) was the only one with access (on pool side of the premises) to the street.The only unlocked door out of all the groups apartments, was the McCann  apartment (5A).  It makes you wonder if the telling of the fact about the young McCann children being left home alone was a deliberate ploy to try and draw out the peadophiles operating from within the Ocean Club itself...

Did the McCanns deliberately use their children as bait, to try and lure out the paedophile / come burglars, a decision that dramatically went wrong..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 13, 2019, 08:55:AM

Did the McCanns deliberately use their children as bait, to try and lure out the paedophile / come burglars, a decision that dramatically went wrong..

There has been some recent interest in the suggestion that Scotland yard have identified a German peadophile, sex offender, murderer who was in the vacinity of the Ocean Club around the time of Madeleine's disappearance. Apparently, he only attacked, abused, or killed young boy victims. This is an interesting development because the Casa Pia sex crime trial had comenced in 2004, and was still on going by the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance in early May 2007 - all the victims were young boys. There must have been some link between the convicted abusers in that case, and the German peadophilewho was in the locality of he McCann apartment on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007..

However, both Portuguese and Scotland yard, are mindful of an Ocean club employee who was sacked for stealing a small sum of money. On the evening of Madeleine's reported disappearance, the former waiter of the tapas bar restuarant was noted to be close to the McCann apartment by a reliance upon mobile phone tracking / technology. Police beleived the former Ocean club waiter, abducted Madeleine McCann to make the point that security at the holiday complex was woefully, inadequate..

Unfortunately, the suspect died in a tractor accident...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 14, 2019, 03:40:PM
If Madeleine McCann was abducted from apartment 5A on evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, Kate Healy /McCann would have answered the Portuguese police questions, despite being advise by her solicitor not to say anything...

The fact is, she didn't say nothing, since she responded to the very last question put to her, for example, that she accepted that her failure to respond to police questioning that she was deliberately hampering the police investigation who were trying to investigate what had really happened to Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 15, 2019, 08:04:AM
Maddie suspect caught in photograph making eye contact with Jane Tanner, in the presence of Gerald McCann, shortly after Madeleine McCann disappeared. During the moment he is captured by camera, he has a smirk on his face. More importantly, he resembles the photofit image of a person seen acting suspiciously near to the McCann apartment on two occasions by a local resident. Additionally, he is wearing the clothing that he was wearing at the time he was seen loitering in the street across from apartment 5A (blue jeans and a dark coloured caghoul. He was also seen acting suspiciously by a telephone box near Kelly's bar on three separate occasions on days leading up to Madeleine McCanns disappearence, but not after her disappearence was alerted to by the McCann group..

The sighting of this person outside in the street and appearing to be watching apartment 5A,  and the location of the phone box where he was noticed down near Kelly's bar, and the location of the derelict building where there exists a shallow grave, and identical items of clothing have been found inside the same building (blue jeans, and a dark coloured caghoul type jacket) which are similar to clothing worn by the suspect in the two mentioned locations, fit into the frame nicely, suspect spotted watching the McCann apartment, suspect loitering near a phone box close to Kelly's bar, the Smith sighting having taken place somewhere on a route between the McCann apartment and the telephone box. Then of course, there is the nearby location of the derelict building and the secrets concealed in a shallow grave in the corner of its rear garden, last but not least, there is the location of the local church where the McCanns took refuge on the preteñse of them being hounded by the press...

The church is just across the street from the derelict building.

Not to far away, in the vicinity of the Smith family sighting, is where Serge Malinka's vehicle was subsequently set on fire, with the word 'Falla' painted on the pavement alongside the burnt out car...

Address of derelict building is No. 5, Ave. De  Pescadores. District of Lagos, Algarve, Portugal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2019, 09:13:AM
Just watched a clip on you tube about numerous peadophiles who were known to be present in and around Praia De Luz when Madeleine McCann was reported to have gone missing. One of the known sex offenders / come burglar caught my attention because in the brief video clip of him he was wearing the exact green colored / checked top which I discovered inside the derelict building ( No. 5  location directly across the street from the resorts church ) The person who was shown in the clip was not named - but was obviously known to the PJ because I think they must have had him and the other sex offenders / come burglars under surveillance long before Madeleine went missing by evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 22, 2019, 10:58:AM
Just watched a clip on you tube about numerous peadophiles who were known to be present in and around Praia De Luz when Madeleine McCann was reported to have gone missing. One of the known sex offenders / come burglar caught my attention because in the brief video clip of him he was wearing the exact green colored / checked top which I discovered inside the derelict building ( No. 5  location directly across the street from the resorts church ) The person who was shown in the clip was not named - but was obviously known to the PJ because I think they must have had him and the other sex offenders / come burglars under surveillance long before Madeleine went missing by evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007...
I don't know whether it's this one: https://youtu.be/jpfXM9CO2hA

I don't have any faith whatsoever in the official investigation now. They always claim to have made a breakthrough just as taxpayers' money is running out..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 22, 2019, 11:51:AM
Hi Steve it has to be said that the particular area was awash with paedophiles and the PJ's already knew this in their quest to arrest those who were " known ", so why has it taken over 12 years to reach this conclusion about the place ? It was even known back in 2007 as a " paedophile's paradise " and all parents should have been alerted by this because things had/were happening before the McCann's visited that particular area.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2019, 12:04:AM
It was a well known fact that there was a peadophile mob operating in Praia De Luz since before 2004, associated with the ground breaking Casa Pia sex with boys (in care) scandal. It is very interesting that only one child beloging to the so called tapas 9 group members was a boy, that being Sean McCann...

It"s possible that Madeleine McCann was mistakenly taken because the would be abductor mistook her for a little boy!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 24, 2019, 12:37:AM
It was a well known fact that there was a peadophile mob operating in Praia De Luz since before 2004, associated with the ground breaking Casa Pia sex with boys (in care) scandal. It is very interesting that only one child beloging to the so called tapas 9 group members was a boy, that being Sean McCann...

It"s possible that Madeleine McCann was mistakenly taken because the would be abductor mistook her for a little boy!

Was she abducted or did she die in the apartment? Why was the carcass not left in the apartment if she died there, as claimed by Goncalo Amaral?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 27, 2019, 12:50:PM
Hi Steve it has to be said that the particular area was awash with paedophiles and the PJ's already knew this in their quest to arrest those who were " known ", so why has it taken over 12 years to reach this conclusion about the place ? It was even known back in 2007 as a " paedophile's paradise " and all parents should have been alerted by this because things had/were happening before the McCann's visited that particular area.

Paedophile's Paradise? That's a bit of an exaggeration Lookout. I've never heard that phrase before but the first thing that came to my mind was Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch.  :-\
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 27, 2019, 02:30:PM
Paedophile's Paradise? That's a bit of an exaggeration Lookout. I've never heard that phrase before but the first thing that came to my mind was Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch.  :-\




Not an exaggeration David but a fact that had been recognised at the beginning/before the abduction in which a local public house there had been re-named by a few as " The Plough and Paedo " because one of its residents was a DJ and well known paedophile. Also the children's home Casa Pia housed some dodgy individuals who were supposed to be looking after the children.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 16, 2019, 06:18:PM
Nobody has ever searched for the  body or remains of Madeleine McCann in the rear garden of the derelict building situated directly across the road from St Vincents church in Praia de Luz (Portugal)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 16, 2019, 07:44:PM
Surely the dogs would have been used for that purpose Mike ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 17, 2019, 01:24:PM
Surely the dogs would have been used for that purpose Mike ?
It mentions here the dogs searched "wasteland areas" I assume to be in proximity to the apartment complex, though I don't know how near the church they would be. The cadaver odour elsewhere remains a mystery. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9ehuov/the_canine_evidence_in_the_disappearance_of/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2019, 02:30:AM
Concentrate on the McCann's first public comments / interview..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 14, 2019, 02:53:PM
Concentrate on the McCann's first public comments / interview..
Kate McCann said that she discovered Madeleine was missing during one of her visits to the apartment  - but she only officially made one visit to check on the status of her children that evening and this supposedly took place at around 10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2019, 10:12:PM
After conducting my own research into this case, I find that the following persons are involved in the mystdry:-

Gerald McCann
Kate Healy /McCann
David Payne
Mathew Oldfield
Russel O'Brien
Jane Tanner
The Carpenter couple
Robert Murat
Sergei Malina
Kate Healeys father
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2019, 10:25:PM
After conducting my own research into this case, I find that the following persons are involved in the mystdry:-

Gerald McCann
Kate Healy /McCann
David Payne
Mathew Oldfield
Russel O'Brien
Jane Tanner
The Carpenter couple
Robert Murat
Sergei Malina
Kate Healeys father
Madeleines remains we're temperally / or permently concealed in a shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building situated directly across the road from the village church.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2019, 10:48:PM
Madeleine is dead and the McCann parents and some of the other tapas 7 group were complicit in the cover up, and the disposal of the four year olds body...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 15, 2019, 11:02:PM
The more I look into the circumstances of this matter, I feel that Madeleine McCann died on the 30th April 2007 -  and that the crying toddler incident as reported by the resident Mrs Fenn, before midnight 1st / 2nd May was not Madeleine McCann at all, but that a child belonging to Russel O'brien and Jane Tanner was staying with the McCann twins on that particular evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2019, 05:05:AM
the crying toddler incident as reported by the resident Mrs Fenn, before midnight 1st / 2nd May was not Madeleine McCann at all, but that a child belonging to Russel O'brien and Jane Tanner was staying with the McCann twins on that particular evening...

If I am right about that then obviously this would mean that the McCann parents and their friends left the children home alone back in the apartment on three occasions on the evening of 1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007. Moreover and that they deliberately let the staff know that not only were two young children being left home alone back in the McCann apartment whilst the parents wined and dined at the nearby tapas restuarant, but the McCann's or a member of their group had told a member of staff that they needed to book the same tables in the restaurant at about 8.30pm each evening so that they could keep an eye on the apartment and that the McCann's had left the door of their apartment unlocked.

If Madeleine had died on 30th May 2007, and not as we all have been fooled into thinking ( 3rd May 2007) the information given to Ocean club staff by the parents acted as a conditioning of staffs minds -  done deliberately so that the McCann parents could plan how to Introduce Madeleines demise days later...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 16, 2019, 05:22:AM
I think that Madeleine McCann was never present at all inside apartment 5A anytime on or during the 2nd and 3rd May 2007, and that because she had died on 30th April 2007 her body was concealed inside the apartment overnight ( 30th April / 1st May 2007) and transported away to a nearby location for disposal of Madeleines body. I am convinced that by the beginning of 2nd May 2007 that the body was taken to the derelict building which is located directly across the street from the village church (St Vincent's)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 16, 2019, 05:30:PM
I don't think the Tapas 7 would have covered for the McCann's all this time. If anything the latter were outsiders and loyalty only stretches so far. https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/who-tapas-7-mccanns-friends-14135573
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:01:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Table of Contents
Some oddities regarding Version 2
Oddities regarding the time of event 3rd/4th May
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Some oddities regarding Version 2
Disclaimer: Every criminal case which is a case of circumstantial evidence, where there is no confession nor the dead or alive victim is found, will have some oddities to be explained. Oddities occur in such cases in principle always as a result of missing information. Every single oddity on one side and single evidence on the other side may, as a single objective, be rejected by any more or less well founded argumentation. To judge on a case of circumstantial evidence is only possible through an overall view of all the evidence and apparent contradictions as well, which has to be done, hopefully in the future, by a professional judge in a court of competent jurisdiction. Thus the following samples of oddities are just markers one has to think about besides the pure evidence. The listed oddities can therefore be regarded only as puzzles to investigators but never as a sole decision maker.

There are a lot of contradictions in the statements of the Tapas-Group. For a short overview one may see also two free PDF's: ?What really happened to Madeleine McCann? and also the fine ?2008 booklet from Tony Bennet with the same title but different content.

Also some nice oddities are to be found at the what-happened-to-madeleine-mccann-Blog ?(1) ?(2) ?(3). Dr. Martin Roberts has also made some interesting analysis in 2009, ?2010, ?2011, ?2012.

See also Some oddities regarding Version 1.

Oddities regarding the time of event 3rd/4th May
Sample 1
taken from ?McCannFiles By Dr Martin Roberts 18 January 2014, LAID TO REST

But who actually put the McCann children to bed that Thursday night?

KM (statement to police, 6.9.07): 'They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks, because it was a bit cold… She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, which she thinks was covering her.'

GM (from the documentary, Madeleine Was Here): “So, I actually came in and Madeleine was just at the top of the bed here, where I'd left her lying and the covers were folded down and she had her cuddle cat and blanket, were just by her head.”

KM (6.9.07): 'After Gerry arrived the children went to brush their teeth and she then read them another story, this time all four of them sitting on Madeleine's bed. She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed.… she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each one of them, the deponent and Gerry, placed a twin in its cot at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed under the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down.'

GM (statement to police, 10.5.07): 'At around 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding Kate and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on Madeleine's bed to read a story.'

KM (6.9.07): 'They talked while they drank, until they left for the Tapas restaurant at around 8.30-8.35 p.m. Before leaving they checked on the children, she doesn't know who; however Gerry says it was him. She only knows the children were quiet. She doesn't know if they were in their same positions. She says she is sure that they were asleep, because Gerry told her so and all was quiet.'

The disturbing fact here is: Although usually in such cases the last seconds with the child are “burned” into the brains of the parents, here we may see the fact that the parents contradict each other and even themselves in their statements. Thus it seems to be just constructed reality.

Another sample of the same oddity is given in ?TV-interviews, analysed by Dr. M. Roberts:

“There is a wealth of witness testimony regarding events at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz on 3rd May, 2007, in the light of which it is strange that neither Kate nor Gerry McCann appears able to discuss their last recollection of daughter Madeleine, on that fateful day specifically.

Q (For Spanish broadcaster, Antena 3): “Allow me to take you both back to the 3rd May. What's the last thing you remember about Madeleine?”

KM: “Just a happy little girl. A beautiful, happy little girl”

Not: 'She was sleeping beautifully' or 'was sound asleep'.

GM: “Just think of all the times… the nice times that we've had with her in our house, and in her playing, in the playroom with her… with her… the twins.”

Note that the question sought to elicit the last thing remembered, not a lasting remembrance. GM could not even place Madeleine in Portugal. He describes happy times at home in Leicester. The interviewer tries again later.

Q: ”…Some questions concerning that night, the 3rd May. What's the last thing you remember of Madeleine that day?“

KM: “It's a little bit like as I mentioned before, she was very happy, errm… and very loving and, you know, I know Madeleine was very happy with her life. She's special.”

Still no specific recollection regarding May 3rd however.

Q: “Kate, you were the last to see her weren't you, because Gerry was playing tennis I believe, isn't that right?”

KM: (Struggles to answer. Fails to answer).

GM: “I saw her. I saw her and, errm… I thought how beautiful she was and how lucky I was to be the father of three children.”

Note that this was in answer to the immediately preceding question of who was the last to see Madeleine, the date reference having now been dropped. To accompany this non-specificity of date, there is elsewhere an adjustment of time. KM is understood to have raised the alarm, upon discovering Madeleine's absence, around 10.00 p.m. GM et al are reported to have been at the Tapas restaurant at that time.

The BBC's Jane Hill asks: “And then on the Thursday night, Kate, when you realised that she wasn't in her bed where you'd left her, did you think, even momentarily perhaps that she'd just woken up, wandered off of her own accord perhaps?”

KM: “Not at all, no.” (long pause)

GM: “No, I mean, that, I think, was absolutely certain but, you know, before you raised the alarm, we double and treble checked, but we certainly had no doubt in our mind that she'd been taken.”

So, GM appears to have been aware of Madeleine's absence earlier than 10.00 p.m. on May 3rd.”

Again the disturbant fact here is, that the McCann's obviously have no (tellable) recognition of the very last seeing of her daughterMadeleine alive. Something like this seemingly will never occure for any usual parents loosing a loved child by an abduction or alike happenings.

This must be seen in a total contrast to what Kate herself stated in her book “Madeleine”, here regarding some not so important happenings with ?Maddie at the beach:

“You may be wondering not only what relevance all these minute details might have to anything, but also how I can recall them so distinctly and how accurate my recollections can possibly be. The answer is that, within a couple of days, every single apparently inconsequential thing that happened on that holiday would become vitally important, and Gerry and I would soon be painstakingly trying to extract from our brains every tiny incident, no matter how small, that might have been significant. Armed with notebook, pen and dated photographs, I would be challenging myself to piece together as comprehensive an outline of the sequence of events as I could. The regular routines of the week helped to make any deviations from them stand out and undoubtedly made this easier.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:05:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 2
The timeline of the Tapas group

The Tapas group consisting of the McCann's and seven adult friends wrote two timelines in the time about 22:15 to 23:15, between the time the alarm was alleged risen by Kate McCann and the arrival of the PJ at apartment 5A. The two timelines were produced in this one hour and are themselves contradicting.

The disturbing facts are:

Why invested the Tapas Group this crucial hour for writing timelines, in which they agreed on a special time (22:00) for the alarm, instead on searching for the allegedly some minutes ago disappeared child?
Why is the alleged alarm time clearly different from independent witnesses testimony?
Why do the two timelines written differ so much that they by no fair means the difference can be explained by some misunderstanding?
There is no serious explanation avaiable why in the first timeline there were a lot of control visits to the apartments and no Suspect Viewing, and in the second timeline, written only minutes after the first, there are no control visits but then a suspect viewing.
Why did Gerry McCann one week later even push the alarm time another quarter hour into the future?
Why were the E-fits of the Smiths-Sighting covered for five years, as this sighting occured exact at the allged time of 22:00 which cannot substantiated by independent witnesses?
The two written timelines were presented to the PJ at 23:15 seemingly by mistake by Russel O'Brien: ”Estimated time 11.15 pm - The first officer to arrive at Ocean Club was handed two lists by Russell O'Brien, written by him on the ripped-off cover of a child's “sticker activity book”.” It is obviously that the timeline, including the events and especially the alleged alarm-time is just a construction of alleged reality, vulgo a lie, as it is not explainable by fair means how the discrepancies could have happend by pure chance.

Evident is also: Between the alleged alarm/abduction time about 22:00 and the appearence of the Police at 23:15 there was maximum just 1:15 time to do so, if believing in Gerry's Statement on 10th May even just one hour, and to construct this two formally written time lines. Now, to bring together nine people, then talking about consent in time line, thus resulting in the first timeline which was obviously impossible in connection with an abduction theory; then recognizing this; next changing the whole timeline and getting consense on another very strange other timeline, writting it down and making it perfect for PJ (signed “Gerald” exemplar), how long does this take? At least seemingly most of the time of about just one hour. But more than disturbing, besides the unexplainable differences in the two alleged timelines, now is: why didn't they use this critical one hour after there “disappearence” to search for her?

Or to put it another way around: What would normally parents do if they found one of their children is missing? The fact is that no evidence of forced entry was observed, no destruction, no disorder. In addition, Kate claims that only in the childrens room a window was ajar. What would you suggest or at least hope for in such a situation? That the child merely ran away on itself lies on hand. What then could have happened? Has it lost? Did an accident happen? Perhaps she went to one of the many pools there and now threatens to drown if no help arrives within minutes? Or even she walked to the nearby sea swimming and drowning close to the beach? Definitly, this first hour after the discovery of absence is crucial for the rescue of a child in such cases, regardless of what somebody assumes or “feels” what did happen. Anything other than seeking is nothing more than the acceptance and consent of her death. Indeed the statements of the Tapas Group are disturbingly contradictory regarding their alleged “searches”. Even Kate and Gerry admitted that they ?“did not search physically” in an interview. Instead they used the most crucial hour to do some phone calls home and to arrange two timelines of witness statements for the Tapas group. Obviously the time needed to do so was that low that Russel O'Brien presented both contradicting timelines, by horrific mistake as seen from McCann's, to GNR and PJ.

So the thing is: why not giving evidence like every wittness some hours later, at a time when it searching would not have been crucial any more. As also it then first would be possible to assume that she did not just walk out but eventually could have been abducted? Even when as alleged the “feeling” that she was abducted was really evident to the Tapas Group, why even then now not searching in this crucial first hour intensivly after her and possible get her out of the red-handed abductor and thus possibly saving her live? At exactly this hour, possibly somewhere in the ultimate neighbourhood, Maddie was possibly in very severe danger. The only thing which could have made some sense then was losing not a jota of time and doing an intensive search around there by all of the Tapas group. Why but now did the Tapas group for sure spend, at least the most part, of this crucial irretrievable hour with adjusting their stupidly contradicting timelines instead of trying to save Madeleine's life being allegedly in ultimate danger?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:09:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 3

First words

When rising the alarm on 3rd May Kate came screaming back to the group crying, 'They’ve taken her, they’ve taken her'. Kate's first words to her mother (by phone the same evening), Susan Healy, after Madeleine's disappearance were: “She's gone, mum. She's gone.”. Disturbing fact here is: Although allegedly nothing was clear about what happened to Madeleine at the evening/night 3rd May 2007, Kate at once said it was an abduction and possibly that she deceased. Obviously things only the offender could know at this time.

See witness Charlotte Pennington. See some more also on ?First reactions at McCannFiles.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:11:PM
Five hours in May (Website)

Sample 4
The story of the ?'Jemmied shutters'

Extract: “The First Reactions: Here we read the first reactions from Kate and Gerry's closest family and friends, immediately after they have been contacted individually with the news that Madeleine has been 'abducted'. Note how consistent the stories are that an 'abductor' gained access to a locked apartment by breaking open the shutter on the bedroom window and escaping by the front door. The story changed later when it became clear the shutters on the window had not been forced, were not damaged in any way and could only be opened from inside the apartment. From that point, the McCanns became convinced that an 'abductor' had entered through 'open' patio doors and escaped through the open shuttered window. ”

see also e.g. ?gazetadigitalmadeleinecase, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 The broken shutters: a persistent campaign of manipulation
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:12:PM
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Sample 5
Number One Suspect

On the evening 3rd May there was only one immediate independent suspect sighting of an possible abductor. See Smith's sighting about 22:00 clock 400 yards footwalk from the Apartment 5A. The suspect was described and an E-Fit was produced but oppressed by the Madeleine Fund for five years until Operation Grange went on with it at Crimewatch in 2013. Mr. Smith identified the suspect with high possibility as Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:14:PM
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Sample 6
Vandalising Evidence

Although all of the Tapas 9 were equiped with Digital Cameras and Mobile Phones, ?Data on the phones for the 3rd/4th were deleted, and allegedly not any photo taken. The photos would have given evidence to what especially Gerry McCann had worn that evening in relation to the Smiths' Sighting (ca. 22:00).

Also the McCann's alleged to have not had a first-aid kit, obviously it vanished. Although it is well known that Doctors allways have well equiped one's; even usual parents with three small kids always have alrge first-aid kits. From this the evidence, if or if not any dangerous medication resulting in an allergic shock got vanished. Seemingly deliberate.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:19:PM
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Sample 7
The nonexisting photos

The evening of the 3rd of May was the last evening for celebration, as the 4th dropped out due to the fact that on 5th very early in the morning the friends had to leave the resort. Everybody was equipped with digital cameras and mobile phones able to take photographs. Usually on such a last evening celebration dozens of photos are taken as commemoration. But all members of the Tapas 9 insisted to have not taken any photo. Why that?

The disturbing fact is: If they didn't lie and they really did not take any photo, there obviously was no reason to celebrate as seemingly they knew Maddie was dead. Or they lied and took photos, but destroyed them to avoid pieces of evidence (e.g. what clothes did Gerry wear regarding to the Smiths' Sighting?). In either case, Maddie was known to be already dead.

Diana Webster stated in her ?second interview regarding the time 3rd around 22:00: “- She adds that that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, have been in the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and “baby monitor” of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.” In her ?third interview she stated: “…4078 ”Do you remember who else was around when you back to the apartment?” Reply ”I think, well Fiona was there I think and err Rachael, I remember seeing Rachael and Gerry, I just remember Gerry sitting in the chair just absolutely, well roaring is the only word I can describe it as, just absolutely beside himself. The men, the other men I think were, had gone out looking, running around shouting Madeleine, and Fiona, Fiona wanted me to go back and err keep, I mean obviously everybody’s concerned for their own children as well and I think also there’d been things left at the table, like err cameras and Rachael’s jacket and things so I, I err, I think I went back to the table then to pick up err what had been left behind, I’m not sure, I think the monitor was there as well and one of the staff at the restaurant asked me what had happened and I just said one of the children has gone missing.”…”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:21:PM

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Sample 8
The Quiz happening/Maddie crying on 1st/2nd May At around 8.45pm on Tuesday 1st May 2007, Miss Nejoua Chekaya, the Ocean Club’s busty Aerobics Instructor, held a “Quiz Night” and was later invited, allegedly by Gerald McCann, to join his table which she did sometime between 9.30pm and 9.50pm. She did not say how long she had remained with them, but she is not the sort of woman men would wish see to leave too quickly. Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann.

Mrs Fenn, the McCann’s neighbour, reported that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The [?phone records ] evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying. Tuesday 1st May 2007 is the only night (except, of course, for Thursday 3rd May 2007) that either of the McCanns or any of their friends made calls after dinner. Mrs McCann volunteered to the PJ that on the night of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she had slept in the spare bed in her children’s room because her husband had not paid her enough attention over dinner. Or put another way, does she mean the amorous Scot was paying someone else (like Miss Chekeya [ besides: also rumors alleged to have had an affair with also busty Jane Tanner ]) too much attention, causing her to stomp out of the Tapas Bar before him: ultimately leading to the spare bed in a strop? Gerald McCann said he thought the reason his wife had slept in the children’s bedroom was because of his snoring and that he did not even bother asking her the following morning what the problem was.

Kate McCann’s mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the “Tapas 9”. (The phone data were later deleted, thus vandalizing eveidence, by the McCann's.) A possible reason is that they wanted to conceal both Kate McCann’s state of mind and the fact that she had returned to Apartment 5A, just before Madeleine’s cried for help. On Wednesday 2nd May 2007 morning, Kate McCann called her friend “Amanda” at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning: so Kate McCann was “up with the larks”. Amanda returned the calls at 7.50. There is no record of how long any of these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs. They were all deleted from memory. At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response. The batch of SMS messages received by Gerald McCann on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 seems to have caused him some anxiety. Although the number “07818520047” is in a block allocated to Vodafone, the company has no record of the subscriber’s name. Thus the number appears to be a message box for Gerald McCann that sends him an SMS when his mobile is unable to accept a call.

However, when he was asked by “Expresso TV” on 6th September 2008 about the “sixteen SMS messages” received, he flustered: “No one has ever asked to see any of my text messages. There is no way that there 16 messages on that day or even the day after, you know. You know, the day after, you know that we got…” Kate McCann came to his rescue and interrupted:“Gerry hardly ever sends text messages until the day after, the day after Madeleine was taken”. Gerald McCann continued: “so you know that it is actually rubbish”. Their McCann’s denials were, of course, technically true although perhaps disingenuous – because there were only 14 messages received on the day before they reported Madeleine missing and two on the day after. There were 16 SMS messages, in total, so why prevaricate and deny an allegation that was never made. The question was about received messages, not those sent, and on the day before not on 3rd May 2007 or the day after! In the field of forensic linguistics you must always concentrate on the precise wording of denials and especially on those of allegations not made. The denials made by the McCanns are suspicious. However, Mrs McCann’s statement about her husband not sending SMS messages, until after Madeleine’s disappearance, is confirmed by Vodafone’s records.

Obviously the truth behind this incidence is that the McCann's had a severe ?marriage crisis. Gerry's seemingly preference for busty girls, which but is contrasting marathon sportswomen Kate, climbed up to ultimate stress on Evening/Night 1st/2nd May. Seemingly Kate informed some friends in her anger, which let wake up Maddie and she then deliberatly leaved her crying back for a run into the circumference of the ocean club. She slept in a spare bed and next morning she stood up much earlier as usual and again called friends or relatives still being in anger. Gerry then got a bunch of 14 SMS's in return making him also ultimate marriage, if not divorce, stress. It obviously could have been one of the main reasons which led to the then coming accident resulting in the death of Madeleine after 17:30/around 18:00 on the 3rd May 2007.

see also

?Mail on Sunday, McCanns rowed and slept in separate rooms the night before Madeleine vanished
?McCannFundFraud McCanns were broke in 2007
following sample 10 and related The last Photo article.
?GerryMccannsBlogs, Original Source: EXPRESS Oct. 24,2007, MADELEINE: FATHER PLAYED TENNIS AFTER SHE VANISHED: Waiter Jose Baptista, 45, told how the staff were amazed by the calm demeanour of Gerry McCann and his wife Kate in the agonising days after Madeleine disappeared: “…They were so cool about it. All the staff commented about how they were able to play tennis and take things calmly. Everybody around them seemed more upset than they were. They very rarely showed any signs of affection like they did for the cameras. I think I saw them holding hands once. But they weren’t always together and affectionate like they are in front of the cameras. I never saw close contact. ….”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:35:PM

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Sample 9
David Payne calls Scotland Yard on 23:30 4th May.

On his last interview, David Payne was asked about his dubious call to London Police on 23:30 4th May 2007:

(Officer:) “Yeah. So my, my recollection of xxx is a London number if that helps.” (David:) “Yeah, I'll just have a little look. I, I can't remember, I've got friends that are down in London which I haven't got her number in here, whether she saw it and rang it I don't know. Was it a long, long call or…”

(Officer:) “Err, yeah it was quite a long call.” (David:) “Right, okay.”

(Officer:) “But you actually called the number.” (David:) “Yeah, okay.'

(Officer:) “Do you recall me telling you about the London number, which you couldn't find in your phone” (David:) “Yes.”

(Officer:) “That number actually transcribes back to the Crime Specialist Director in London.” (David:) “Mm.”

(Officer:) “Did you contact them?” (David:) “Err I did yes. My, err you know my sister err had been in contact with them and she was trying to do everything that she could knowing the, err, the difficulties that we were having out there so you know I did approach them just asking for advice but err I can't remember, I don't think I actually spoke to anyone there, but for some reason that wasn't carried forward.”

(Officer:) “Yeah.” (David:) “But I mean, you know, just into the context of the conversation you know we're in a strange country, we've got no representeers we don't know what's going on, all hell's broken loose and you know to see whether you can do anything to help Madeleine come back, you know and that was the lines that we were taking.”

(Officer:) “Do you remember who you spoke to?” (David:) “I don't know.”

(Officer:) “The call was made on the following day at twenty three thirteen, so that's late at night.” (David:) “Mm.”

(Officer:) “You don't recollect anything else about the conversation that you had with that, was it you that made the call” (David:) “Err I, yeah I know that I got phone numbers from my sister which I did you know ring them but I can't remember making one late at night.”

The disturbing fact is: Of course the Tapas 9 had as much as British official support as possible. Very unusual the British Consul came on his own feet to Praia da Luz to serve the Friends already in the morning, and later even the British Ambassador from Lissabon made an official SkyTV Show sustaining the Group. There was no reason to make a long, obiously private (23:30) call to a seemingly friendly high level Police Officer in Britain. This but may be seen in relation to his obvious part in covering the death and also the The Payne-Allegation and the possible background.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:36:PM
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Sample 10
The last Photo

The parents had a good 6 Mpx Canon Camera which makes pretty pictures at high resolution. But they asserted to have no recent photos shortly before the ”abduction“. The alleged last Photo of 3rd of May, released on 24th May but is just an altered picture and is clearly a fake. This is very much disturbing. The main question arising are:

why didn't the parents have any original usable photos of Maddie on 3rd May?
if they really didn't have one, why was Gerry so eager but to fake one?
why the hell did Gerry cover his eyes on the photo with faked large sunglasses?
The answer maybe, that they needed a Photo of the last day of Maddie to “prove” that the whole family was in best order and well tempered. But as sample 8 shows, this was definitly not the case. Indeed there was large stress between the parents, such that well tempered photos could not been taken. Another additional possibility lying on hand is (in connection with Pamela Isobel Fenn witnessing crying Maddie and the Quiz happening and its aftermath) that e.g. Kate hurt Maddie on 2nd/3rd May which then would have left visible bruises on such a photo. Which then but would have given hard evidence for the Accidential Killing Theory. A reason to eventually “photoshop” Maddie into the picture.But the undeniable fact that Gerry's sunglasses are faked in the picture, this may have only one logical reason: Gerry's left eye region was hit, presumably by a slap in the face by Kate on 2nd May. There don't exist Photos of 2nd or another of 3rd May, but the first next one was done on 4th morning by reporters. Obviously he was slaped in the face some time before as the still little swollen left eye side shows. Also in the 3rd May photo with faked sunglasses, one may see the light extended bruise lighted by sunlight.This is how the ”last photo“ originally looked really like. From the original position of the sunglasses it is obvious how the reflection originated and why the tip of Amelie's hat can be seen in it. We can find the high-resolution photo at ?Pamalam. There we can see the fake more exactly:Besides the physically impossible false horizon reflection, we get another prove: The red arrows point to the places, where the frame of the sunglasses should appear, but there aren't any. This the case, as the glasses where taken from his T-shirt collar where it was folded. The white reflections on the frame just show the T-shirt. The last question that comes up now may everybody answer oneself: May you really trust people who deliberately falsify such an important photo?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:37:PM
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Sample 11
The Poster Photo

There are some obstacles with the alleged “last photos”. Although any “last photo” was recommended to be used for the search for Maddie's wanted-poster, the parents seemingly had some problems to provide one actually taken. On the commonly known wanted-poster they indeed provided an absolutly out-of-time picture, showing Maddie at the age of about 2. As everyone knows, kids that age change their appearence much in just months. The far from being actual photo thus was clearly hampering the investigations in 2007. We have to question why did they chose such a useless photo? If the answer is, that it shows clearly the small colombola in her eye as an immoveable identity sign of Maddie, then this is not less disturbing: As police warned them not to make public this mark, as it would risk their daughters life, if she was with an abductor. As then the Abductor would have to get rid of her.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:38:PM
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Sample 12
Not searching “physically”

One of the most disturbing misbehaviour of the parents is the fact, which is underlined by a lot of dependent and independent witness statements, that they didn't really search for Madeleine (after their alleged disappearing at 22:00 until 23:15 when GNR police arrived). Even the parents themselves admitted to not having searched “physically”.

See McCanns Interview ?The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine

See also one of the independent witnesses interview: ?Tapas Cook breaks silence

Much Disturbing here is: If a mother returns to a closed apartment, where is no physically evidence for a break in to be seen; where is practically everything in the same order when they last saw it; but except a window in the childrens bedroom which is slightly opened? What would you think, what would you do? It is on hand then that the girl missing may have opened herself a window to go around the Ocean Club on her own? Isn't it? Would you now search at once for the missing child somewhere around the Apartment? Or would you cry “They have taken her…” and insist that there must be an abductor? And thus you wouldn't “physically” search for your loved child? Really? Or is it a sign that they knew that there was nothing to search for. Besides, see Tapas cook statement, even the relatives of the McCann family didn't help in searching for Madeleine when visiting them in Portugal later.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:40:PM
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Oddities regarding the aftermath of the event
Sample 1A
?Portuguese priest 'ruined' by McCanns; Catholic News, 12 Dec 2007

The Portugese priest who gave solace to the McCann family after the ‘disappearance’ of their daughter Madeleine has stripped his church of all traces of the girl, with friends saying the experience has left him “ruined”. The Express reports seven months after the tragedy, Fr Jose Manuel Pacheco ordered the removal of scores of green and yellow ribbons which were put up as a symbol of hope in the days after Madeleine vanished. Posters and photographs of Madeleine which plastered the village of Praia da Luz have also been removed. Friends of Fr Pacheco – who came under police scrutiny after he gave the keys to his church to Gerry and Kate McCann to allow them to pray round the clock – say they fear for his health and that his life is now ruined. Fr Pacheco was questioned twice by detectives, and the church and its grounds were searched by police. Investigators became convinced Kate had confessed to him – but Fr Pacheco insisted he would stand by his priestly vow. A close friend of Fr Pacheco said the priest becomes irate at the mention of the Madeleine case and that even close friends must tread carefully when broaching the subject. “He says that it is an extremely unpleasant situation and that the McCann family only ever brought him problems. He told one friend they ruined his life,” the friend said. “He just wants to get on with his peaceful life before the McCann whirlwind raped his world. This has all been a very bad experience for him.” Another friend described Fr Pacheco as a “nervous wreck” and that he was “hiding secrets that are destroying him.” There has been no comment from Fr Pacheco.

See also more information about Priest(s) at ?McCannFiles and ?McCannFiles.

See also ?Youtube Video on pressure done to a possible witness.

In this circumstance also the evidence about “Maddie ghost visits mum”, written on Daily Star (Express Group have removed all online links) on 19 October 2007 is of some disturbing interest: “Tormented Kate McCann told last night how she is visited in the night by the spirit of her missing daughter Madeleine. The anguished GP says she is regularly woken up by visions of the four-year-old in her bedroom. Kate, 39, revealed the visions to her mum, Susan Healy, who was worried about her daughter’s lack of sleep Susan had assumed Kate and husband Gerry were being kept awake by her two-year old twins, Sean and Amelie. She was stunned when Kate revealed it was missing Madeleine who was haunting her. Susan, said: “She told me she has difficulty sleeping and wakes during the night. I asked: 'Do the twins come and wake you up?” Kate said: “No, it's Madeleine. She comes in.”“

In this circumstances also one may have a look at remarks about the McCann's visit to the Pope, taken from Tony Bennet's booklet (2008):

The Pope’s decision to withdraw all support for the Doctors McCann

On his own admission, in a video-recorded interview,Clarence Mitchell , who was then employed as the Head of the Media Monitoring Unit for the Central Office of Information, boasted of having ‘arranged’ for McCanns to visit the Pope. He did this using government connections and by speaking to the Roman Catholic Archbishop of England, Cormac Murphy O’Connor. Just over three weeks after Madeleine ‘disappeared’, the McCanns met with the Pope, Benedict XVI, who publicly blessed a photograph of Madeleine before the world’s media.

The Vatican thereafter carried very prominent pages on their website featuring the McCanns and their emotional search for Madeleine. The McCanns had frequently made their ‘strong Catholic faith’ very much an issue, and were frequently described as ‘devout Catholics’.

Yet 48 hours before the McCanns were made formal suspects, the Pope withdrew all references to Madeleine.

No further references to the McCanns’ campaign and their fund to ‘find Madeleine’ have been made on the Vatican website since then. It seemed to many seasoned observers of the Roman Catholic Church that the Pope had received strong indications that the McCanns’ abduction claim did not stand up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:42:PM
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Sample 2A

In an interview for CTN ?Kate said:

“It really isn't easy,” coping. “Some days are better than others. … There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone. Wherever. But you can't, you know. Just occasionally you'll have a – if you're having a really bad day, which we do. And you can't help but think that.”

This is an extremely disturbing quote. What is Kate saying when she says that she sometimes wants to “press a button”, the result of which would be that they were “all gone, and it's all finished”? It would appear to imply the families communal death through the quick and painless means of pressing an imaginary 'suicide' button. If that is what she means, then there must be serious concern for the safety and welfare of the twins should the McCanns eventually face charges over Madeleine's disappearance. She continues by saying that they will be “all together and gone”. The only way they could be “all together” in such a scenario as she describes, is if she knows that Madeleine is already dead.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:44:PM
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Sample 3A

An Empty Cupboard, 25 Feb. 2014:

Extract: “Go back only three years of the seven and recall how we were told day after day that Kate McCann's quest for truth, Madeleine, was going to kill off the haters' gossip and and set the record straight. That lasted until publication day and a relentless confirmation, page by damning page, of almost all the rumours, including, to take a single forty eight hour episode, her admission about the systematic mobilization of family shills to lie on her behalf – the famous “green light”– and Gerry McCann's dignified and unwavering belief in his own innocence, so strong that on hearing the details of the case against them late on Thursday September 6 [2007] – including that shadowy and as yet unnamed witness who saw them “carrying a big black bag” – he burst into tears and cried “we're finished!” And followed his next-day interrogation by making plans to “sneak” (Kate McCann's word) across the border in a hire car.

Strong truthful Kate talked him out of it and instead “on the advice of our lawyers”(Smethurst, Caplan) the pair “decided to get out as soon as possible,” i.e. with a panicky Saturday September 8 [2007] as their last day in Portugal. “Of course,” writes our heroine, “many sections of the press would suggest we were running away – ”. That's right, Kate, they would, they did and you were. But Kate, in a typical Madeleineism, forgets what she's written a few paragraphs before about legging it SAP and completes the sentence “– but as I've recounted, the decision had been made several weeks earlier” and “all we were doing was leaving a day earlier than originally planned.” Reading that typical exhibition from a nauseating, self-admitted and proven liar reminds us why WAs [circle of supporters/ Wright's Activists] don't quote Madeleine [Kate's Book] much anymore, doesn't it? Instead they put it into a “Don't mention again” locked drawer.”

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:49:PM
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Sample 4A
Psychology

When questioned with particular dangerous questions there were allways seen suspicious behaviour which may be attached to typical movements of liars, or at least to people who have to conceal something in the dark. This of course does not mean that such people ARE Liars, it just means to be SUSPICIOUS of being a Liar. Although every witness will feel sometimes uncomfortable on some particular questions, the fact here is that this seemingly appeared to be allways the case for the McCann's in critical interviews. After 2008 but Clarence Mitchell controlls very much interviews and critical queations are since disallowed.

One may have a look at the Youtube Videos ?McCanns body talk and ?McCanns body talk 2.

Especially interesting is the video ?McMinute - Gerry asked "Did you kill your daughter?". It shows the reaction when Gerry is against expectation asked “Did you kill your daughter?”. It must be remarked here, that this question at that time he was asked in several interviews, but never that suddenly and directly. What we see then are seemingly 10 seconds close to a confession (Seconds 7 to 17), as Gerry starts to cry at high frequency speech, but then gets back to control as he needs some time to come down to his usual kind of story telling. In this circumstance of being close to a confession one may also have a look at the video ?Why did Gerry's sister expect Kate to be charged with accidental death?. In late 2007 Gerry's Sister Philomena told a reporter that Kate seemingly would confess soon. Also watch her slipped tongue “Gerry and Kate have not told them [siblings Sean and Amelie] where she [Madeleine] is…”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 06:52:PM
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Sample 5A

The 48 Questions

On the 7th Sept. 2007 Gerry McCann and also Kate Healy McCann were asked 48 simple questions. As they were official suspects (arguidos) at this date they of course had the right to refuse to answer. While Gerry decided to answer and did, with some more or less contradictions left, but Kate refused to do so as she was adviced so by here lawyers. The disturbing fact is, that those questions were known and could be answered as well naturally by an innocent , but even also from a self confident liar, easily. Obviously there was to much worry about if Kate could stay the stress and would not keep that cool as Gerry did.

These are the questions she refused to answer :

(1) -  On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

(2) -  Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)

(3) -  (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?


(4) -  Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?


(5) - How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?

(6) - Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

(7) - Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the 'Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

(8) - Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

(9)- When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?

(10) - What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?


(11) -  Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

(12) -  Who contacted the authorities?

(13) -  Who took place in the searches?

(14) -  Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?

(15) -  Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

(16) -  What does ‘we let her down’ mean?

(17) -  Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?

(18) -  How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

(19) -  During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

(20) -  Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

(21) -  Who did you phone after the occurrence?

(22) -  Did you call Sky News?

(23) -  Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

(24) -  Did you ask for a priest?

(25) -  By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

(26) -  Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

(27) -  What was your behaviour that night?

(28) -  Did you manage to sleep?

(29) -  Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

(30) -  What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

(31) -  Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

(32) -  What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

(33) -  What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

(34) -  As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

(35) -  What is your medical specialty?

(36) -  Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

(37) -  Did you work every day?

(38) -  At a certain point you stopped working, why?

(39) -  Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

(40) -  Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

(41) -  Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

(42) -  In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

(43) -  In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

(44) -  When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

(45) -  When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

(46) -  When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

(47) -  When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

(48) -  Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

The Only QUESTION SHE DID ANSWER

Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. ’Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.’
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 07:10:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 6A
The never done questioning of the McCann's by British prosecutors

Altough since today there was not any sustainable evidence to the abduction theory, and despite the fact that the only sustainable evidence still points to the parents of Madeleine, the parents were never questioned by any British Authority. The Leictershire Prosecutor called such a questioning barefaced just a “waist of time”. Even Scotland Yards ”Operation Grange” started with the still unfounded presumption of the McCann's to be not suspect. Alarmingly the Madeleine Fund in the preliminary agreement between the Met and the Portuguise Police got the status of a Co-Investigator with a very privileged access to intimate actual informations regarding the ongoing investigations.

This is more than disturbing, as the evidence until today solely points to the parents, a fact which cannot been overseen by any professional investigator who is aware of the still in effect PJ-files. The presumption of innocence for anybody in a state of law never means that people being suspects may not been taken under even harsh examinations. More than that, even when not convinced fully, it is visa versa the very duty of any state of law at least to question the prime suspects, such as here the McCann's and the Tapas 7, by aggravating cross-examination and even more painful house searches.

Really none of those duties ever were done in the UK. This cannot been explained by pure chance, there seemingly is the oddity of a still enduring covering up of the case in the UK leaded by some still not fully decoded high levels of preferabilties for the State.

Remarkable: On 3 Dec. 2007, the Daily Express published an article (no longer on-line) about the McCanns: “Madeleine: British Diplomat had doubts about McCanns A British diplomat warned the Foreign Office of concerns regarding Mad­eleine McCann’s parents, it emerged last night. Doubts about Kate and Gerry McCann were raised almost immediately by an official sent to Praia da Luz due to what he considered to be “inconsistencies” in the couple’s testimonies about the night the four-year-old vanished. The warning was contained in a classified document sent from the Algarve to the Foreign Office days after Madeleine’s disappearance. Details of the letter have been leaked through the British diplomatic mission in Brussels to the respected Belgian newspaper Derniere Heure. The unnamed diplomat voices his concern about the “confused declarations” as to the whereabouts of Kate and Gerry McCann and their friends in the final hours before Madeleine’s disappearance. He also mentions the couple’s “lack of co-operation” with the Portuguese police in the light of instructions from London suggesting consular staff “overstretch their authority and put pressure on the Portuguese authorities”. The document also asks for confirmation of orders sent by the Foreign Office in London the day before, commanding embassy staff to give “all possible assistance to the McCann couple”.“
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 07:12:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 7A
Resignation of Kate's friend Esther McVey

McCannFiles: ?Esther McVey is a long-time friend of Kate McCann and was spokesperson for Madeleine's Fund from its launch in May 2007. Esther and Kate first met in 1986, when they were both 18, at the North East Technical College in West Derby [in Liverpool], where they were studying A-levels together. She joined the board of Madeleine's Fund on 20 June 2007 and continued her role as spokesperson for the Fund until her resignation, announced in January 2008. Ms McVey has remained resolutely tight-lipped as to the reason, or reasons, behind her resignation - a rather ironic position, considering her former roles in the media/PR. She is currently the Conservative MP for Wirral West and the minister for disabled people. Her own website, on which she once displayed an online petition in support of the McCanns, now contains no mention of Madeleine McCann at all.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 07:13:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 8A
Reaction on Blood traces and Cadavour Odour in Apartment 5a

With no reasonable doubt there were traces of blood and cadavour odour in the McCann's Apartment. Any parenst of an abducted/killed child would of course if innocent insist that police have to follow this strongest evidence found since then. But what disturbingly happens is: The parents deny there beeing any traces at all. They still today insists the DNA results would not be conclusive and the sniffer dogs would have been wrong anyway.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 07:14:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 9A
Friends hold out from the Maddie search

Until the 3rd of May, the nine adults of the Tapas-group were best friends. Normally, it would be entirely self-evident that these friends would also fight together after the 3rd May until to today in the search for Maddie at the forefront. But what did really happen? None of the seven former friends of the McCann's took significant enough part in the global search for Madeleine Beth McCann. All drew back and no one helped in an appropriate manner.

How to explain this? It could be that Gerry and Kate had no talent for reliable friends. That all these friends only cowards and shirkers were. All seven. But can that really be?

The same is true for the McCanns Extended Family. There is no adequate involvement in the search for Maddie. Just Uncle Brian Kennedy holds a stake at Madeleine's Fund as one of the directors. That's all, nothing else. Why this denial of cooperation?

The disturbing answer may be quite simple that they all knew that Maddie is dead and the parents bear their guilt. Obviously, with their help in the cover-up of the fact, they had done their largest and most definitely last friendly service to the McCann family.

Note: There is a witness statement by Madeleine's grandmother Susan (Mother of Kate) which underlines the situation (?Flash Magazine, 30 Apr. 2009) : „….Maddie's mother does not leave the house and the father grows ever more distant from his wife. Two years after the child's disappearance, Madeleine's grandmother Susan tells Flash! she “lost both her daughter and granddaughter that wretched night.” …Nowadays the McCanns are not a part of the area's social scene, unlike before. “They are insular.” According to the source the residents are tired of the media, that's why they distance themselves. At most the house is visited by close family and three others “of the group of nine friends (seven friends) who were with them in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared, that is David and Fiona Payne and Jane Tanner, as they are connected with them.”“. Also other former friends drew back, see e.g. Sample 1A and Sample 7A. Even on the webpage of Kate McCann's book 'Madeleine' co-author and former Gordon Brown ghostwriter J. K. Rowling there is no mention left for the search for Maddie. The last gathering of the Tapas-friends where at Rothley in Nov. 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 07:15:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 10A
The cancelled Reconstruction

A reconstruction, or better said a reenactment of events with the original people at the original site is always a mighty forensic tool for finding the truth. You can use it very well to find out what fits together and what does not fit. So contradictions of statements can be identified, but also new possibilities of a putative crime run may be found. For a possible culprit so provides such a reconstruction hazard. For the possibly innocent, however, a great option is given to find the unknown kidnappers. But in spite of varied efforts of the Portuguese police reconstruction with flimsy grounds was rejected and never adequately supported neither by the Tapas-Group yet by the British authorities.

See summary of details at ?McCannFiles: “Emails and letters from the PJ files revealing the reluctance of the 'Tapas Seven' and Jeremy Wilkins to take part in a reconstruction of the events of the evening of May 3rd - eventually leading to its cancellation.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2019, 07:16:PM
Five hours in May (website)

Sample 11A
Here are some quotes and freudian slips made in interviews. They are disturbingly close to a confession:

Gerry told us: “I don’t have a problem with somebody purporting a theory, writing fiction, suggestions”. Kate and Gerry: “Police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us.”

Gerry “There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death”. As well as: “Kate killed her in frenzy. Madeleine was sedated by us, she fell down the stairs, in which case you would have thought they'd have found her body. I've heard all that. What I want to know is, who told them all that?” Clarence Mitchell: “I believe Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine's death”.

(Seemingly knowing Madeleine is dead definitely, while but officially always claiming the very opposite.)

Kate said: “It really isn't easy,” coping. ”Some days are better than others. … There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone. Wherever. But you can't, you know. Just occasionally you'll have a – if you're having a really bad day, which we do. And you can't help but think that.“

Gerry even posted on his blog: “Sometimes people do things for reasons that even they cannot understand. An act of madness, an accident or sudden impulse can lead to consequences that people may never have imagined or intended. Faced with such a situation we believe any human soul will ultimately suffer torment and feelings of guilt and fear.”

(Seemingly a mea culpa through saying it clearly, but never admitting it, never surrender to justice, just relief.)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 19, 2019, 03:26:AM
Until someone proves to me that what appears to be a shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building close to the church in Praia de Luz, that the rear garden and the rooms of the derelict building were searched early on in the investigation I will stick with the theory that Madeleine's remains were disposed of there, and still to this day it probably still is there.

Also, if it was searched, and on what date?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 19, 2019, 09:13:PM
Until someone proves to me that what appears to be a shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building close to the church in Praia de Luz, that the rear garden and the rooms of the derelict building were searched early on in the investigation I will stick with the theory that Madeleine's remains were disposed of there, and still to this day it probably still is there.

Also, if it was searched, and on what date?

To my knowledge the PJ, and Scotland Yard officers, have never searched the small grave identified by me in the rear garden of the derelict building.  I was the first person to identify the location of any grave in Praia de Luz, and especially since the grave is located very close to two buildings of interest in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, namely the Church where the McCann parents sought refuge soon after the alarm was raised, and Chaplins bar, where the Tapas group including the McCann parents partied  until about midnight on the evening of 1st May 2007 - add in the location of the derelict building, and you have three key buildings within a stones throw of each other (the Luz triangle)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 19, 2019, 10:01:PM
To my knowledge the PJ, and Scotland Yard officers, have never searched the small grave identified by me in the rear garden of the derelict building.  I was the first person to identify the location of any grave in Praia de Luz, and especially since the grave is located very close to two buildings of interest in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, namely the Church where the McCann parents sought refuge soon after the alarm was raised, and Chaplins bar, where the Tapas group including the McCann parents partied  until about midnight on the evening of 1st May 2007 - add in the location of the derelict building, and you have three key buildings within a stones throw of each other (the Luz triangle)...

Add to this the fact that Mrs Fenn heard a youngster crying continually throughout the period 10. 30pm - 11.45pm, from within the McCann apartment on evening 1st May 2007.

Link this to the claim made by the McCann parents that at breakfast time on the morning of 3rd May 2007, how Madeleine had complained asking her parents why they had not come to Madeleine and Sean on the previous evening (2nd May 2007) when they both had been crying?

There is a strong possibility that the McCann parents displaced  the reported Mrs  Fenn incident (evening 1st May 2007), as though it had actually occurred on the following evening (2nd May 2007) to fool people into thinking that Madeleine was still very much alive on that occasion (but she was already dead by that stage. She I think it wasn't Madeleine crying in apartment 5A on 1st or 2nd May 2007, but rather that the child who was crying as witnessed by Mrs Fenn, the was one of the other groups children who had been left home alone inside apartment and 5A - quite possibly the Russell O'brien and / Jane Tanner daughter. If true this would support the Co tension that Madeleine the had already seen died by the time of Mrs Fenn observation between 10pm and 11.45pm on evening of 1st May 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 19, 2019, 11:19:PM

There is a strong possibility that the McCann parents displaced  the reported Mrs  Fenn incident (evening 1st May 2007), as though it had actually occurred on the following evening (2nd May 2007) to fool people into thinking that Madeleine was still very much alive on that occasion (but she was already dead by that stage. She I think it wasn't Madeleine crying in apartment 5A on 1st or 2nd May 2007, but rather that the child who was crying as witnessed by Mrs Fenn, the was one of the other groups children who had been left home alone inside apartment and 5A - quite possibly the Russell O'brien and / Jane Tanner daughter. If true this would support the Contention that Madeleine had already died by the time of Mrs Fenn observation between 10pm and 11.45pm on evening of 1st May 2007.

I think Madeleine died on 30th April 2007.

By evening of 1st May 2007, Madeleine's body had already been removed from inside apartment 5A, and taken to the derelict building...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 19, 2019, 11:23:PM
I think Madeleine died on 30th April 2007.

By evening of 1st May 2007, Madeleine's body had already been removed from inside apartment 5A, and taken to the derelict building...

From evening 1st May 2007, Madeleine's bodily presence in the McCann narrative and was taken up by the Tanner /OBrien girl who was about the same age as Madeleine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 19, 2019, 11:28:PM
By the time the evening of 3rd May 2007 came around, O'Brien and Jane Tanner introduced the suggestion that their daughter was unwell which caused them to be absent at times from the Tapas bar meal on the last occasion before news broke that Madeleine had gone missing. I think that this purported un -  wellness regarding the O'Brien / Jane Tanner daughter on the evening of 3rd May 2007, which paved the way for Russell O'Brien to be absent from the evening meal on the basis that at about 9.30pm he went to do a check of their daughter at that time, and that Mathew Oldfield had also left the restaurant intending to do a similar check on his own apartment and child to be somewhat telling, and that it was already known by people at / in the Tapas bar by around 9.15pm that Madeleine McCann was missing from apartment 5A...

According to the so called Tapas group explanations it wasn't until around 10 pm that Kate McCann discovered 'Madeine to be missing' from the McCann apartment, but this cannot possibly be true because the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was being talked about excitedly some 45 minutes beforehand by a couple sat at one of the restaurant tables -  yet to be fully understood, was how this couple could have known that 'Madeleine was missing from apartment 5A' long before Kate McCann supposedly raised the alarm after her 10 pm check?

This brings me on to Mathew Oldfields visit to check apartment 5A at about 9.30 pm that same evening?

According to one of his versions of an explanation 'all was well at apartment 5A' at the time he carried out his 9.30pm check there, but how can this have been true if Jane Tanner had witnessed 'a would be abductor' (the Tannerman  sighting) carrying off Madeleine in his arms at about 9.10 pm along with the fact that at least one couple knew that Madeleine was missing by 9.15 pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 05:40:AM
By the time the evening of 3rd May 2007 came around, O'Brien and Jane Tanner introduced the suggestion that their daughter was unwell which caused them to be absent at times from the Tapas bar meal on the last occasion before news broke that Madeleine had gone missing. I think that this purported un -  wellness regarding the O'Brien / Jane Tanner daughter on the evening of 3rd May 2007, which paved the way for Russell O'Brien to be absent from the evening meal on the basis that at about 9.30pm he went to do a check of their daughter at that time, and that Mathew Oldfield had also left the restaurant intending to do a similar check on his own apartment and child to be somewhat telling, and that it was already known by people at / in the Tapas bar by around 9.15pm that Madeleine McCann was missing from apartment 5A...

According to the so called Tapas group explanations it wasn't until around 10 pm that Kate McCann discovered 'Madeleine to be missing' from the McCann apartment, but this cannot possibly be true because the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was being talked about excitedly some 45 minutes beforehand by a couple sat at one of the restaurant tables -  yet to be fully understood, was how this couple could have known that 'Madeleine was missing from apartment 5A' long before Kate McCann supposedly raised the alarm after her 10 pm check?

This brings me on to Mathew Oldfields visit to check apartment 5A at about 9.30 pm that same evening?

According to one of his versions of an explanation 'all was well at apartment 5A' at the time he carried out his 9.30pm check there, but how can this have been true if Jane Tanner had witnessed 'a would be abductor' (the Tannerman  sighting) carrying off Madeleine in his arms at about 9.10 pm along with the fact that at least one couple knew that Madeleine was missing by 9.15 pm?

The only explanation which seems to make any sort of sense of a bad situation like this, was that Mathew Oldfield had done an earlier check of the McCann apartment at about 9pm, and that as a result of doing this he himself had knowledge that Madeleine was absent from apartment 5A prior to 9.15 pm that evening and that the couple who were excitedly discussing Madeleines apparent absence from the McCann apartment at around 9.15 pm could have been the case that this was when Mathew Oldfield broke the news that Madeleine was missing from the Apartment 5A to Kate McCann. We now know that Mathew Oldfield did two checks of the McCann apartment (5A). One of these checks occurred at around 9 pm, and the second occasion being around 9.30pm.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 06:07:AM
We find that sandwiched in-between both of these visits to check the McCann apartment by Mathew Oldfield, and the fact that a few linked events now fall to be considered and taken into account.:-

(1) -  Gerry McCann storming out from the Tapas restaurant at about 9.05 pm to do a check of his apartment, and after learning that Madeleine is was missing and absent from Mathew Oldfield.

(2) -  Jane Tanner introduced the claim that she had left the Tapas restaurant at about 9.10 pm, and that she had seen Gerry McCann talking to Jes Wilkins outside apartment 5A in the street., and that at the same time she had seen the abductor carrying Madeleine and away in his arms..

(3) -  that at the time event (2) above was unfolding how she had gone to relieve Russell O'Brien from their apartment so that he could return to the Tapas bar for his evening meal.due to the fact that their daughter was unwell..

(4) -  How many times did Russell O'Brien  leave the Tapas bar with Mathew Oldfield that evening?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 06:07:AM
We find that sandwiched in-between both of these visits to check the McCann apartment by Mathew Oldfield, and the fact that a few linked events now fall to be considered and taken into account.:-

(1) -  Gerry McCann storming out from the Tapas restaurant at about 9.05 pm to do a check of his apartment, and after learning that Madeleine is was missing and absent from Mathew Oldfield.

(2) -  Jane Tanner introduced the claim that she had left the Tapas restaurant at about 9.10 pm, and that she had seen Gerry McCann talking to Jes Wilkins outside apartment 5A in the street., and that at the same time she had seen the abductor carrying Madeleine and away in his arms..

(3) -  that at the time event (2) above was unfolding how she had gone to relieve Russell O'Brien from their apartment so that he could return to the Tapas bar for his evening meal.due to the fact that their daughter was unwell..

(4) -  How many times did Russell O'Brien  leave the Tapas bar with Mathew Oldfield that evening?

Once (at 9.30 pm), the and or twice (9.30 pm)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 06:26:AM
What seems to be so obvious to me is that Russell O'Brien did not leave the tapas restaurant with Matthew Oldfield at 9:30 p.m. as claimed, and that Mathew Oldfield then did not return back to the tapas restaurant alone without O'Brien,  because the O'Brien /Jane Turner daughter was feeling unwell, because at 9:10 pm some 20 minutes prior to this how Jane Tanner had left the restaurant with two things in mind firstly to relieve Russell O'Brien from looking after their daughter and secondly to see where Gerald McCann was and why he was taking so long to return back to the restaurant..

This is because Jane Tanner knew that their daughter was unwell and that Russell O'Brien was already back at their own apartment looking after their daughter..

How could Jane Tanner have left the Tapas restaurant bar to relieve Russell O'Brien at 9.10pm, if O'Brien did not leave the Tapas bar until about 9.30 pm in Matthew Oldfields company and that she was not alerted as to why O'Brien did not return to the Tapas bar by Oldfield until about 9.45 pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 08:45:AM
According to statements made by O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien did not return to the Tapas restaurant after their 9.30 pm checks of the apartments because one of their daughters (Evie I believe) was the crying and had vomited..

Afterwards O'Brien a had washed the bedsheets on the bed where one of his children had been sick. The he did all of this prior to returning to the Tapas restaurant bar at around 9.55 pm..

Let us not forget that Mrs Fenn overheard a child crying continually (evening 1st May 2007), and or that after news broke regarding Madeleine's demise on evening of the 3rd May 2007, that the McCann parents also washed the bedsheets of the bed that Madeleine slept in on evening and night of 1st / 2nd May 2007...

I have a hunch that the O'Brien / Tanner child (E- - -)  was used in a substitution exercise, and that the O'Brien / Tanner child stayed with the McCann's from evening of 1st May 2007 and that it was not Madeleine who cried when Mrs Fenn noted the incident taking place between 10.30 -  11.45 pm, because Madeleine had already died and had been dead since 30th April...

I do not believe either that when Gerry McCann left the Tapas bar to do his 9.10 pm check that he did not return to the Tapas bar,  but that he was the man seen by the Smith contingent carrying the O'Brien  / Tanner child in his arms heading towards the sea and coast. This exercise was introduced to try and influence people into believing that Madeleine was still very much alive at 10 pm on evening 3rd May 2007...

I suspect that the O'Brien / Tanner and the McCann parents washed the bedsheets from the beds of their own children because the children concerned (Madeleine and and E -  -  -) did not sleep in their own beds on any night between 1st and 3rd May 2007 -  Madeleine's body was wrapped in the bed sheet from E- -  - 's bed in the O'Brien of / Tanner apartment, and E -  -  -  slept in Madeleine's bed in the McCann apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 08:53:AM
These tactics were adopted in order to displace the time when Madeleine McCann had died, and vanished or disappeared (from 30th April 2007 -  3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 08:56:AM
These tactics were adopted in order to displace the time when Madeleine McCann had died, and vanished or disappeared (from 30th April 2007 -  3rd May 2007...

Madeleine was not still alive on either 1st,  2nd or 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 08:58:AM
To all intents and purposes the contents of the creche records dated 1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007 have obviously been fraudulently altered and photographic evidence tampered with to try and fool people into thinking that Madeleine was still alive later on, long after her death, but she was /is dead she almost certainly died on the 30th April 2007
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 20, 2019, 11:41:PM
30th April 2007 -  Madeleine dies in apartment 5A. The cause of death 'drug overdose'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 21, 2019, 12:11:AM
30th April 2007 -  Madeleine dies in apartment 5A. The cause of death 'drug overdose'..

The Tapas group members visit to Chaplins bar on evening 1st May 2007, coincided with removal of the body from apartment 5A. Madeleine's  remains were concealed in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back of the rear garden of a derelict building which itself was close to St Vincents Church in Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 21, 2019, 09:33:AM
The Tapas group members visit to Chaplins bar on evening 1st May 2007, coincided with removal of the body from apartment 5A. Madeleine's  remains were concealed in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back of the rear garden of a derelict building which itself was close to St Vincents Church in Luz...
The crying child heard by Mrs Fenn between 10.30 pm and 11.45 pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, could not have been Madeleine McCann because everything points to her already having been dead on the previous day -  the child that was crying inside apartment 5A was one of the O'Brien / Tanner children who had agreed to allow the McCann's temporary custody of her in order to buy some time to get them out of the fix they found themselves in...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 23, 2019, 06:42:AM
The crying child heard by Mrs Fenn between 10.30 pm and 11.45 pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, could not have been Madeleine McCann because everything points to her already having been dead on the previous day -  the child that was crying inside apartment 5A was one of the O'Brien / Tanner children who had agreed to allow the McCann's temporary custody of her in order to buy some time to get them out of the fix they found themselves in...

The real Madeleine McCann was not alive after the 30th April 2007, the family used another little girl as a substitute. That child belonged to one of the Tapas Seven couples on holiday with the McCann's...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 24, 2019, 02:58:PM
If we are trying to find out who took Madeleine McCann (alive or dead)  out of apartment 5A on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, look no further than the involvement of Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield all three need to be arrested immediately and re-intervied..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 02:15:AM
Jane Tanner (herself) was / is 'Tannerman'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 03:49:AM
Jane Tanner (herself) was / is 'Tannerman'...

She carried off the body of Madeleine, shortly after 9.10 pm and was walking in the general direction of the mystery couples apartment (the Gorrods) with Madeleine in her arms..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 11:01:AM
The various contradictions in the timed checks of apartments in block 5, and the manner with which Madeleine's body was 'taken'  from the vicinity of apartment 5A by a member or members of the Tapas group, between around 9 and 10pm, in my view are fictitious and designed to cover up the death of Madeleine. These individual and collective timed checks give the clearest indication yet, that various members in the group played some role or other  in the disappearance, but  not necessarily in the death of the McCann child (acting as conspirators, as in the disposal of the body and creating a false timeline, and providing Gerry and Kate McCann with false alibi's)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 12:00:PM
The various contradictions in the timed checks of apartments in block 5, and the manner with which Madeleine's body was 'taken'  from the vicinity of apartment 5A by a member or members of the Tapas group, between around 9 and 10pm, in my view are fictitious and designed to cover up the death of Madeleine. These individual and collective timed checks give the clearest indication yet, that various members in the group played some role or other  in the disappearance, but  not necessarily in the death of the McCann child (acting as conspirators, as in the disposal of the body and creating a false timeline, and providing Gerry and Kate McCann with false alibi's)..

9 pm -  Mathew Oldfield checks his own apartment, and the McCann apartment

Mathew discovers that Madeleine is missing from apartment

(Oldfield returned to Tapas bar and informed Gerry McCann at around 9.05 pm, that (Madeleine is not present in apartment)  everything was OK back at the McCann apartment. Gerry McCann reacts to this (Madeleine is missing from apartment 5A) information by racing off to check his apartment himself)

9.05 pm -  Gerry McCann leaves Tapas bar to check apartment 5A

9.10 pm -  Jane Tanner leaves Tapas bar to check her own apartment, and also to find out why Gerry McCann was taking so long in doing his own check of apartment 5A. Jane Tanner sees Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkes standing on the roadside pavement close to apartment 5A talking. The two men did not acknowledge that Jane Tanner passed them in the street. According to Jane Tanner, once beyond McCann and Wilkes, she Tanner claims to have seen a man carrying off Madeleine in his arms. She then went to check her own apartment, not saying how long she was gone from the Tapas bar, nor whether or not, that by the time she returned after checking her apartment, she said whether or not Gerry McCann had already returned to the Tapas bar before her. She does not claim to have seen Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkes in still talking in the street when she returned to the Tapas bar. According to Gerry McCann he returned to the Tapas bar around 9.15 pm to 9.20 pm. Therefore, Jane Tanner was away from the Tapas bar for at least a minimum time period of 10 minutes, and or she never returned to the Tapas bar at all. Considering that Jane Tanner returned back to the Tapas bar around 9.20 pm from her check of her own apartment , or shortly afterwards, why was it necessary for her partner (Russell O'Brien) to leave the Tapas bar to check the same apartment so soon afterwards?

9.15 pm - Executive member of staff, deals with a commotion between a couple sat at a table on the Tapas terrace. Apparently this couple already know that a child has gone missing from one of the Ocean clubs apartment

It is not entirely clear whether or not Russell O'Brien left the Tapas restaurant bar at 9.20 pm, and or 9.30 pm..

9.20 pm /9.30 pm -  Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield claim they left the Tapas restaurant bar to go and check their respective apartments. According to the script, at about this time, Kate McCann got to her feet intending to do a check of apartment 5A. But Mathew Oldfield offered to do a check of the McCann apartment on her behalf. Kate sat back down...

9.45 pm  -  Mathew Oldfield returns back to the Tapas restaurant bar, and informs
 Kate and Gerry McCann that all is quiet back at their apartment. He informs everyone that Russell O'Brien and has not returned because his daughter is unwell, and vommitting, etc. According to Russell O'Brien and whilst inside his own apartment he washes his daughters bedsheets.

9.50 pm / 10.00 pm -  Kate McCann leaves Tapas restaurant in bar to go and do a check of her own apartment -  discovers Madeleine is missing from apartment 5A. She hurries back to the Tapas restaurant after bar to raise the alarm, and that 'they had taken Madeleine'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 12:03:PM
According to the script, Mathew Oldfield checked apartment 5A at 9pm, and 9.30 pm. GERRY McCann checked apartment 5A at around 9.05 pm. Kate McCann checked apartment 5A at 10 pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 12:22:PM
According to the script, Mathew Oldfield checked apartment 5A at 9pm, and 9.30 pm.

Depending upon which version of these checks of apartment 5A Mathew Oldfield carried out where he listened outside the McCann children's bedroom window (9 pm) on the roadside of the apartment, and at the patio door on the poolside of the apartment (9.30 pm) -  however, in one interview, Mathew Oldfield admitted that he had entered apartment 5A and found that Madeleine was missing from the children's bedroom, and so he went and looked into the parents bedroom and saw that she was not present there either. Yet to be understood, is at what stage did Mathew Oldfield alert the McCann parents to the disappearance of Madeleine? This could not have happened after Kate McCann did her 10 pm check...

If Mathew Oldfield alerted the McCann parents that their daughter was missing from apartment 5A, soon after his 9 pm check of apartment 5A, the following must be true -  Gerry McCann cannot have visited apartment 5A and seen Madeleine in the flesh and laying asleep on her bed. Furthermore, Mathew Oldfield could not have done his second check of apartment 5A at around 9.30 pm, and said that everything was OK back at the McCann apartment. Kate McCann could not have discovered Madeleine to be missing at the time of her 10 pm check of apartment 5A because Mathew Oldfield had done so earlier...

If Mathew Oldfield discovered Madeleine missing from apartment 5A any time before Kate did her 10 pm check, why didn't he alert either of the McCann parents to this effect? Why did Mathew Oldfield keep this information all to himself?

Or, was Mathew Oldfield the source regarding knowledge of a couple who were sat at a table on the Tapas terrace, talking excitedly about Madeleine having been taken from the family apartment earlier than 9.15 pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 02:40:PM
The Gorrod couple hired a small silver car upon arriving in Portugal.

Visit links:-

https://www.portugalresident.com/2007/08/15/car-hire-man-not-involved-in-madeleine-case/

A BRITISH MAN who became embroiled in the Madeleine investigation, because car hire staff thought it was odd that a man on his own had returned a car containing a child’s seat, has said he has been cleared by the PJ.

Solicitor James Gorrod’s car was one of 10 seized and inspected by the PJ.

He was drawn into the inquiry when police discovered he had hired a car at Faro airport, complete with a child’s seat. Staff at the car hire firm were suspicious when he arrived alone to return the car.

In fact, Mr Gorrod had dropped his wife and son at the terminal before returning the hire car.

The family stayed at the same resort as the McCanns but Mr Gorrod said he and wife Charlotte, who has since given birth to a boy, never met the missing child’s parents Kate and Gerry.

The couple say the first they knew of Madeleine’s suspected abduction was when a note was pushed under the door of their holiday villa the following day.

Mr Gorrod said rumours of their involvement in Madeleine’s abduction had been very distressing for his “vulnerable” wife.

He said: “Having given birth to a baby boy three weeks ago, for this to happen at this time when she is so vulnerable is distressing.”

In a statement released through Mr Gorrod’s Exeter-based legal firm, he said: “A British police officer directly liaising with the Portuguese investigation team recently contacted me to eliminate the vehicle I hired for a holiday with my wife and two-year-old son in Praia da Luz at the time Madeleine McCann disappeared.

“The vehicle has been identified and I have been told by the British police officer that he has no plans to interview me or my family, and he does not expect me or my family to have any further involvement in the Madeleine McCann investigation.”

The statement added: “We are, of course, deeply saddened by Madeleine’s disappearance and hope for her safe return.”

Earlier, Mrs Gorrod said she was baffled Portuguese police had not spoken to them while they were on holiday even though they offered to help.

She added: “The reason we needed to hire a car was because we were not on the Mark Warner holiday and so we didn’t have an airport transfer for the trip from Faro.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 04:17:PM
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19116-james-and-charlotte-gorrod

James and Charlotte Gorrod are friends of Dr Russell O'Brien and his partner Jane Tanner - who are close friends of the McCanns - and met Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanne at the resort.


From Mccannfiles

A BRITON told yesterday how he became caught up in the investigation into missing Madeleine McCann after suspicious staff at a hire car firm tipped off police.

Lawyer James Gorrod, 34, rented a blue Opel Corsa in Portugal five days before the four-year-old vanished.

Staff at rental firm Sixt, based at Faro airport, raised the alarm when he returned the vehicle on May 6 – because it was fitted with a child seat and they believed he was travelling alone.

Mr Gorrod was later contacted by British police after it was discovered he had close links with friends who had been on holiday with Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry.

In a statement, Mr Gorrod said last night: “A British police officer directly liaising with the Portuguese investigation team recently contacted me to eliminate the vehicle I hired for a holiday with my wife and two-year-son in Praia da Luz at the time Madeleine McCann disappeared.

“The ¬vehicle has been identified and I have been told by the British police officer that he has no plans to interview me or my family, and he does not expect me or my family to have any further involvement in the investigation. We are, of course, deeply saddened by Madeleine’s disappearance and hope for her safe return.”

Mr Gorrod’s wife, Charlotte, yesterday said it was “absolutely ridiculous” to suggest the couple were in any way linked to Madeleine’s ¬disappearance.

She said:?“Horrible things have been said about us and our friends but none of them are true.’’

The Gorrods live in Exeter, Devon, just two minutes from their friends, hospital consultant Dr Russell O’Brien and Jane Tanner, who are both key witnesses in the investigation.

The two couples met up during their week-long holiday in Portugal and it is believed Mr Gorrod and his family were staying at the same resort in Praia da Luz as the McCann’s and their seven friends.

Coincidentally, chief suspect Robert Murat, 33, was in Exeter for 10 days shortly before Madeleine vanished on May 3.

The British expat arrived back in the Algarve just 48 hours earlier on May 1. He has since been questioned several times by police but has always protested his innocence.

Mr Gorrod, his wife, and their two-year-old son William flew out to Portugal on April 28 – the same day as the McCann’s and their friends began their ill-fated holiday.

Police were alerted after Mr Gorrod returned the car eight days later. The vehicle was never examined by Portuguese police and was leased out five more times.

Three months into the investigation British police carried out a major review of the case and car hire bosses were ordered to take it off the road last Monday.

The vehicle was traced to Lisbon and has now been placed in a compound awaiting examination.

Yesterday Mrs Gorrod, 32, said how hurtful speculation about the couple’s involvement in the case had been.

She said: “This is all absolutely ridiculous. We know Dr O’Brien and Jane Tanner because we both have children of about the same age and we were staying in the same resort. At the time, the Portuguese police asked the O’Brien’s if they knew anybody who had access to a car and they gave our names.

“We were happy to talk to the police but they did not approach us.

“We know what is being said now and it is ridiculous. The car has been checked out and there is no problem. It is surprising it has come up now and very upsetting for me because I have just come out of hospital after giving birth to my second child.

“We have been told that the family and friends of the McCann’s are not under suspicion. My husband has spoken to the police and given them all the details of the car. We just want to help really and we could do without all this hassle.

“My husband was on holiday with myself and our son who is aged two. And that is why we needed a baby seat. It was our last chance to have a holiday before I got too pregnant to fly.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 04:26:PM
Although the dogs did not alert to this car, it is still an interesting coincidence. It provides a possibility of access to transport if emergency medical supplies were needed or perhaps cleaning products and equipment. All speculation on my part of course. But it is possible ROB asked for use of the car on the pretence they had run out of baby milk or some such item. This would be an acceptable reason for anybody to need to travel somewhere at anytime of the day or night. In particular another couple with a young child would understand this.

I have also read references to the fact that Charlotte Gorrod is the owner of an apartment within the OC complex, but some statements in press articles state they were staying somewhere else in the area, although I have not yet found evidence to back this up. If not staying at the OC where were they staying ?

Dianne Webster referred to the males of the group sailing on Monday with some chap she did not know and I think (but am not certain) it was MO who said one of the group was sailing with somebody he did not know on another occasion. It is worth noting that Jim Gorrod is a keen sailor. If this unknown person were him it would appear that this couple met the tapas or at least some members of the group on at least two occassions, Sunday in accordance with JT's statement and again on the Monday.

All of the above is speculation but is interesting and of course this couple were likely not to have been involved other than perhaps innocently loaning a car to a friend.

But yes, another Exeter connection in PDL and as far as I know his expertise is in construction and property disputes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 04:28:PM

Exeter, Murat is a property developer, is that another connection?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 04:29:PM
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1418-james-and-charlotte-gorrod

Although the dogs did not alert to this car, it is still an interesting coincidence. It provides a possibility of access to transport if emergency medical supplies were needed or perhaps cleaning products and equipment. All speculation on my part of course. But it is possible ROB asked for use of the car on the pretence they had run out of baby milk or some such item. This would be an acceptable reason for anybody to need to travel somewhere at anytime of the day or night. In particular another couple with a young child would understand this.

I have also read references to the fact that Charlotte Gorrod is the owner of an apartment within the OC complex, but some statements in press articles state they were staying somewhere else in the area, although I have not yet found evidence to back this up. If not staying at the OC where were they staying ?

Dianne Webster referred to the males of the group sailing on Monday with some chap she did not know and I think (but am not certain) it was MO who said one of the group was sailing with somebody he did not know on another occasion. It is worth noting that Jim Gorrod is a keen sailor. If this unknown person were him it would appear that this couple met the tapas or at least some members of the group on at least two occassions, Sunday in accordance with JT's statement and again on the Monday.

All of the above is speculation but is interesting and of course this couple were likely not to have been involved other than perhaps innocently loaning a car to a friend.

But yes, another Exeter connection in PDL and as far as I know his expertise is in construction and property disputes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 04:44:PM
A British family caught up in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine have already been cleared of any involvement.

James and Charlotte Gorrod, from Exeter, who were on holiday at the same time as the McCanns, came under suspicion when they hired a car at an airport with a child seat.

But it turned out to be for their two-year-old son.

Earlier this week Mrs Gorrod said she was baffled Portuguese police had not spoken to them while they were on holiday even though they offered to help.

But according to flight records, the Gorrods only booked for two people inbound. If Mrs Gorrod had kept their son on her knee throughout the trip, the Gorrods was would still have had a fee to pay for the child - only two flight tickets were purchased for the inbound flight, one for Mr Gorrod, and the other for his wife, raising some suspicion...

There is also the matter of the lack of luggage accompanying the Gorrods on their inbound flight, which is understood to be minimal, and amounting to hand luggage.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 04:55:PM
There is then the matter of where the Gorrod couple stayed during the first two nights, 28th / 29th April 2007?

Did they rent or own a property of their own in Portugal where they originally stayed until the Ocean club allocated apartment C5C (same apartment block as the McCann's, O'Brien/ Tanner, the Paynes, and others...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 05:15:PM
If, the lack of any evidence confirming that the Gorrods went to Portugal along with their son, paves the way for the abduction of a boy child, provisionally, did the plan get changed, and Madeleine was taken instead? Were Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien in cohoots with the Gorrods (who all lived near each other in Exeter) in what turned out to be the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 05:21:PM
If, the lack of any evidence confirming that the Gorrods went to Portugal along with their son, paves the way for the abduction of a boy child, provisionally, did the plan get changed, and Madeleine was taken instead? Were Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien in cohoots with the Gorrods (who all lived near each other in Exeter) in what turned out to be the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?

It remains possible that when Tanner / O'Brien entered apartment 5A intending to abduct Sean, that Madeleine awoke and saw who the person, who or persons were, who had their heart set on taking Sean McCann, who were and that the abductor (s) knew that Madeleine could identify them as taking Sean -  so Madeleine was taken instead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2019, 08:09:PM
http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.com/p/theory-english.html


An attempt at a reconstruction of a  theoretically possible course of events, based on the evidence from the files and the rogatory interviews trying to incorporate all oddities such as the supply of an old photo for search purposes, the supply of a wrong height of the almost 4 year old, the confusion about when Maddie had played tennis, the change of routine of the Thursday at breakfast, lunch, dinner and after-dinner activities, the apparently unused bed, the moved cot, and many more :


A holiday in spring after a bleak winter will surely be loaded with lots of happy expectations. Sunbathing, beach excursions, balmy nights with friends and finally time with your partner.

What happens when reality is so far from your expectations and your urgent needs? When the weather is cold and cloudy and instead of getting better, deteriorates with rain on the 5th day? When the daily chores with 3 kids under 4 years of age are not equally distributed but are left to one partner as always, especially the bathing and the difficulty of bringing them all to bed while the husband takes part in the tennis events every evening? And when he then asks the good-looking young employee to sit at the table ignoring the wife which leads to a flurry of furious messages to her best friend? When the child that is the most difficult and that alerts the neighbours with nightly crying for the father throws a tantrum on Wednesday on the playground forcing the mother to take her back to the apartment of course alone again? When this child then cannot be convinced to go to sleep and is asking for its Daddy who is already heading again towards the Restaurant with a friend after a quick shower leaving his wife alone in this stressful situation? When the child jumps onto the sofa to catch a look at the father who just passes by the window with his friend, joking as always while being responsible for the misery of the wife?

I believe that Madeleine died some time after 20:00 on May 2nd. It had been a disastrous week with bad weather and without support from Gerry for Kate with the difficult task of bringing the children to bed. Gerry, who preferred to play tennis in the evening, had ignored Kate at dinner and flirted with the aerobics teacher on Tuesday. When he left the apartment again, after only being there for a quick shower after his "Beating the Pro" tennis event until 19:30, heading off again to the Tapas and leaving Kate behind with screaming kids, the situation escalated on Wednesday. IMO Madeleine threw an extraordinary tantrum on the playground that carried on in the apartment, an incident Jane Tanner attributed to her own daughter and which was mentioned for the first time in her rogatory interview. According to her statement the crying stopped abruptly. IMO Madeleine died at this moment as a result of a blow while standing on the sofa trying to see her father who passed the window via the road below with his friend Russell. Presumably she hit her head on the windowsill or when hitting the floor behind the sofa. The crying stopped abruptly.

This special crying incident had never been mentioned before because it was just too dangerous. But they knew that a Mrs. Fenn had contacted the Police regarding the crying at Tuesday night. When the rogatories were conducted, the files had not yet been released and so they did not know that Mrs. Fenn had not been at home on the Wednesday. They suspected that she had heard the crying of the Wednesday as well and with Jane's statement wanted to pre-empt the Police should this question arise.

During the night of May 2nd it was decided to cover-up the death. The children needed their mother,who would possibly be charged with manslaughter, their careers would be ruined, the insufficient child monitoring, the nightly crying, everything would become apparent. That would make the whole group accomplices, since they all had the same relaxed attitude towards the monitoring of their children some much younger than Madeleine. Their futures would be ruined as well. With this reasoning the other parents could have been pressurised to support the cover-up. Dianne Webster though, was not trusted, she would be kept out of the know. With the initial plan there was no need for lies or deception by the friends. They would just have to act as staffage in a staged show the next evening. All they needed to do was pretend to not know. No lies would be necessary for the friends according to the initial plan. An easy way out for them. This imo applies at least for the couples Tanner/O'Brien and Oldfield who did not have a baby monitor with them. Unlike the Payne's who still complied with the cover-up although they were the proud owners of such a device. As to their reasons I can guess but won't elaborate.

Possibly, Kate had not turned up for dinner that night. To cover for her absence Rachael later claimed she had been sick that night and had stayed in the apartment. In case a waiter had remembered the number of people or men and women at the table. That Rachael was not missing at dinner is evident from the statement by Jane who claimed to have listened at the Oldfield's window that night for their daughter. Had Rachael been in the apartment this would have been an absurd act. To avoid that somebody had seen Gerry coming back alone to the apartment, Kate stated that she arrived 5 minutes after him. A more sinister scenario would be that Kate did take part in the dinner but left it to Gerry to detect the body behind the sofa by giving him a 5 minute headstart. This would explain Gerry's "cryptic" statement in a spanish interview saying nothing had been as hard as the "night we found her".


It was decided to stage an abduction the following evening. The body was therefore stored in the wardrobe in the parent's bedroom. The one cot, which had been standing in the parent's bedroom all week according to the statement of the cleaner and which probably had been used by one of the twins to avoid too many children in one room waking each other up, was placed in the children's bedroom. Kate could not fathom to sleep in the same room as her dead daughter and stayed in the bed unter the window in the children's bedroom, which had been unused on Wednesday morning but used on Thursday.

On the following morning the McCanns were not able to attend the usual breakfast. Six employees of the Millenium restaurant stated that they had attended regularly. Dianne Webster also said that she saw them on the Wednesday, the only day she attended since tennis was postponed due to the weather. The McCanns however claimed in their interviews that they had only attended the breakfast once on the Sunday, never again. The fairytale about the missing buggy that hindered them from walking the distance to the Millenium was spread via the media to enforce it. Free breakfast for 5 people not taken advantage of? Knowing Gerry it is hardly believable. And statements of seven people contradicting them. Had it emerged that they had been in the restaurant every day except the Thursday the police would have probed this evidence much more thorough. Buggies – in plural – were readily available for the excursion to the beach on Monday or Tuesday according to their own statements.

To fake an entry in the crèche records without actually leaving a child there cannot be that difficult.

There were kids from three groups, including the Junior Group, in the one room above the main reception and quite a number of nannies with changing shifts. Jane was talking about 4 or 5 nannies responsible in this room. It was not the 1 nanny with 6 children scenario Mark Warner wanted to portray. And certainly not the 1 nanny for 3 kids ratio the McCanns claimed in order to give more credit to the nanny's statement.

IMO Gerry entered the kids club together with at least one other father who happened to drop his daughter off at 9:10, signed when nobody looked and possibly chatted with one of the nannies that were present. Maybe he asked one of those that were not responsible for Maddie if she could attend the tennis again instead of the sailing, because sailing seemed a bit dangerous. Such was born the myth that Madeleine attended the Thursday tennis although she was there already on the Tuesday. In the beginning most of the friends stated that Madeleine had attended the Thursday morning tennis, Rachael even still stated this in her rogatories. The photo with Maddie on the tennis court was launched in the press as the first „last“ picture, although there had been concerns about showing the bruise on her lower right arm. Kate claimed it was a sunburn.

Kate had to attend the tennis lesson in the morning because Dianne Webster would have noticed her missing. Afterwards she went together with Fiona Payne, who collected her youngest daughter from the same building where Maddie's crèche was, to sign Maddie out of the crèche again. Possibly Russell also collected his daughter at the same time and both created enough diversion for her to do this unnoticed.

Lunchtime was used to organise the course of events for the evening. I am sure that at least Gerry took part. To avoid the only person not in the know – Dianne Webster – the usual lunch at the Payne's balcony was cancelled. For once they met at Jane and Russel's place. Most probably the only deviation from the lunch routine this week.

It was important to keep Dianne Webster away from the children's dinner at 17:00 therefore a group outing was organised without the McCanns to the beach restaurant Paraiso. Russell O'Brien first claimed to had seen his daughter in the Tapas restaurant at dinner then got his statement changed to read that he had collected her at 16:45 from the Kid's Club to take her to the beach restaurant. But he also claimed that he sailed until 16:30 and then went for a swim. He only appeared on the restaurant's CCTV at 17:52 together with his eldest daughter. Plenty of time to collect her from the children's dinner at 17:30 where she might have eaten in the presence of Gerry, the twins and possibly Kate. Then signed out as Madeleine. It would certainly have fooled the restaurant worker especially if shown an old photo of Madeleine the next day.

How can it be explained that Maddie's main nanny Catriona Baker was fooled? First of all, contrary to the statements she was not solely responsible for a little group of six children but was together with at least 2 other nannies responsible for a much larger group. They went together to the beach outings and her colleague was not sure if Madeleine had been with them on one day. So it was possible to get the days confused and the children. Secondly, Mark Warner only supplied 2 nannies for the first interviews with the police citing ONLY from the possibly faked crèche records. All other details were added much later, culminating in Cat's very vivid narration about the boat trip in her rogatories.

Her story gave me a feeling of a well-rehearsed narrative, full of unnecessary detail and with some strange words, like the colors of the boats and the expression "return to the port." This may be because we only have the condensed version available, which was also translated twice. Still, this feeling never quite left me, maybe because she was invited to the McCann's house before the rogatory interviews, so I had another close look at her report especially in light of her description of the sailing trip she gave to officer Manuel Pinho in an on-site inspection on 10th May 2007.From this latter description, the following course of events can be concluded:

Catriona Baker accompanied 5-6 children - she does not give an exact number - holding onto “Sammy snake” from the OC to the beach. Alice Stanley, a sailing instructor, occupied a little yellow sailing boat and waited for Chris Unsworth, another sailing instructor, to ferry the first 3 children with the red safety boat from the beach towards her. The remaining children stayed with Catriona on the beach. Alice did a few sailing turns before the three children returned back to the beach with Chris who then took the remaining children to Alice and the sailing boat. Meanwhile, the first group was of course with Catriona on the beach waiting for the last group to return. The trip was scheduled for roughly half an hour from 10:30 bis 11:00 clock and would have allowed for only one sailing trip for each group of three.

How can this described process now be reconciled with the statements from Catriona's rogatory interview?

In it she describes in detail that Madeleine had cried anxiously during the crossing to the sailing boat while sitting on her lap. Did Catriona leave the other kids alone back on the beach? Certainly not. She also states that Madeleine had a second round on the sailing boat. Was one child left out on this trip? If there had been 6 children it would only permit one trip for each child. Had there been only 5 children, without Madeleine, a second round would have been possible for one child.

Unfortunately, the two sailing instructors Alice and Chris were interviewed only informally. Surely they could only confirm the trip and perhaps the fact that one child was allowed to make a second trip. They would not have been able though to identify Madeleine also because the children wore life jackets and possibly helmets.

So either the crying on Catriona's lap in the boat never happened like this, or perhaps there was a second nanny present who remained with the remaining children on the beach. But why then was she never mentioned? Could she perhaps have defined the number of children more accurately and could not remember Madeleine? The picture of a nanny who went alone with 6 children to the beach seems either implausible or extremely negligent.

In both cases, this raises serious doubts about the rogatory statement concerning the course of events at the sailing trip, and therefore also about the participation of Madeleine.

I pointed out this discrepancy in the nanny's statement as early as January 2011 and it might have been seen by the McCanns and their team. To my huge surprise I have to read now in Kate's book that she herself suddenly throws suspicion on the sailing trip and the nanny's statement. With a daring back-pedalling action she now claims that Fiona had NOT seen Madeleine at the sailing trip, totally discrediting poor Jane who explicitly stated the opposite.

After the crèche records had been set in stone, no nanny would have dared to voice doubt afterwards in the face of grieving parents and the world's press. And should they have given some odd statements to the police (or Dianne Webster), their initial statements could have been ripped apart in a court by their lawyers when shown that it was an ARGUIDO who had translated them. Was this the reason for the framing of Murat?

What about the other witnesses that had allegedly seen Madeleine that day? There was Charlotte Pennington, who was visited by Metodo 3 and then helped to frame Murat months after the disappearance - telling a story about telling a story to Maddie that day. But storystelling was a day earlier on the agenda according to the activity sheet. There was the cook who claimed to have seen Madeleine but at the same time placed her in the creche for the much younger children after having been shown the at least 6 month old photo. There was the barman who completely retracted his initial statement of having seen her that day. And we should not forget, that the nannies were all shipped to Greece less than a fortnight after the disappearance by Mark Warner making them unavailable for additional statements.

In the afternoon of the 3rd the usual get-together as on the previous evenings had to be cancelled for Kate and the twins because Dianne would have noticed the missing child. David had to act as the witness that ALL the children were too tired but alive and well. He and Kate made a right mess out of this story that was supposed to support the fact that Madeleine was still alive at that time. How long did he really stay? Did he go in and see the kids or was he just standing at the door with Kate obscuring his view? Why could he not remember what Kate was wearing, even though she was clad in a towel according to her? Why did he talk about “ALL the children“?

The evening at the Tapas restaurant was planned as the time where the abduction should take place, giving them all an alibi via the waiters and Dianne Webster. It was because of her that the rush from the table had to be staged before the actual disposal of the body took place because she would have noticed an earlier absence of Gerry. A risky plan. As early as 21:30 - 21:45 it was instigated by Kate who came running to the Tapas area entrance shouting at the group. Gerry immediately sprinted off for his meeting with the Smith family. The others followed not before Fiona had instructed Dianne to stay at the table “in case Madeleine would come to look for them“.

Dianne talked to the waiter a fact which later produced the statements about an early alarm way before 22:00. After about 5 minutes Dianne went into the McCann's apartment where she did not encounter Gerry who was still on his way towards the rocks. She spent about 10 minutes in the apartment, before being sent off again by Fiona to collect their belongings at the Tapas again. By now Gerry was back and possibly did a quick „search“ around the pool area to account for his previous whereabouts. When Dianne came back to the apartment the second time he was also there and never went on a search again. At around 22:30 (almost an hour after the first rush from the table) Mrs. Fenn heard Kate screaming from the balcony - a cry which had followed the second alarm – the official one – that led to the phone call to the police. The early rush from the table and the late second alarm explain why different person's statements varied almost about an hour in the time they had heard of the disappearance.

The encounter with the Smith family had been a disaster. Suddenly Gerry needed an alibi because he had been away from the table at the time of the meeting. The time of the actual alarm had to be confused so much that they could boldly place it at 22:00, the time of the Smith sighting. Therefore Kate's screaming from the balcony. But this was not enough. A completely independent witness had to give Gerry an alibi at the exact time of the abduction. The only independent witness that night had been Jeremy Wilkins and the time Gerry had met him was nowhere near the time of the Smith encounter. But it had to do... Poor Jane Tanner had to tell the police of her sighting of the abductor at the exact same time she had also seen Gerry and Jez talking together. In order to make her "vision" less obvious Gerry placed his meeting with Jez at the other side of the road further down. This made way for Jane's sighting, would explain why Jez did not see her and would also purport the theory that 3 witnesses never completely agree in their statements. The fact that the poor abductor had to wander the streets of Praia da Luz in search for the sea for 45 minutes was a fact the police should rack their brains about. Matthew's badly concocted statement about his visit in 5A served as additional “evidence“ that she was taken away between Gerry's and Matthew's check, thus by Jane's egg-man.

To explain this check by Matt in the light of Dianne's strict statement that all parents checked on their own children alone, additional checks had to be invented for the previous days. Russell had to state in his rogatory interview that he had checked on the McCann's and Oldfield's children on the Sunday with a key to the front door, which he later changed to a check in 5A via the patio door and in 5B via the front door with a key. ALTHOUGH Matt was supposedly sick that evening and inside the apartment.

This shows how devastating the Smith encounter was, how many "explanations" had to be created because of this stupid coincidence in a usually deserted dark alleyway.

What happened now during dinner? A time frame that had been under special scrutiny by the PJ because of the many discrepancies of those involved and the reconstruction of which had been denied by the same party.

During the day, a plan had been hatched. The kidnapping was to take place at the only time during the day when all friends would be together. At the dinner. Dianne Webster, as the only uninitiated witness, was supposed to confirm this to the police.

The plan was to remove the body from the apartment at 21:00, a time when parents, who dined at the tapas restaurant usually picked up their children from the children's club, often carrying them sleeping in their arms. Gerry had witnessed it live the night before with the parents at the next table and it would be a good disguise for him carrying Madeleine in the open. The kidnapping was planned for the period between 21:30 and 22:00, Matthew Oldfield's alleged check at 21:30 should confirm that at that time everything was still fine.The original plan possibly involved a different route to the beach, one that would be consistent with the comings and goings of parents carrying their children. Possibly through the little lanes of the "shortcut" Gerry had described to the police.

At 21:00 almost all the friends were gathered in the restaurant. Matthew, of whom Dianne Webster was not sure to have seen him there, was in the process of checking the usually deserted streets and roads around the apartment block and returned shortly after 21:00 back to the table with the message that all was clear. Therefore Gerry immediately stood up to allegedly perform another check on the children. A meaningless endeavour, if it had been true. In fact, he was now going to bring the body to a pre-defined location, reachable within 30 minutes maximum including the return trip. When he was in the garden behind the house, he noticed Jeremy Wilkins coming up the street with his son in a buggy. Matt had not seen him before as Jeremy had been circling the block while trying to persuade his son to sleep.

Gerry had to cancel his trip and layed Maddie quickly down in a flower bed under the porch where later on cadaver odour was found. Gerry stepped out of the garden gate to chat with Jeremy and to distract him. When Jeremy moved on Gerry went back to the table in the restaurant.

Now, it was Russell O'Brien's turn to search the streets for pedestrians but it was getting late. After the end of the meal Dianne Webster would be the first to go into her apartment like the evenings before and would not be available as a witness any longer. Therefore they decided to keep to the schedule of an abduction between 21:30 and 22:00 but to dispose of the body AFTER Kate's enacted discovery that was triggered by Russell's return. The schedule would not change, the "kidnapping" would still have happened between 21:30 and 22:00 with Gerry at the table during that time. Only Dianne had to be prevented from storming with the others to the apartment and seeing Gerry as he disappeared with Maddie towards the sea. Therefore, Dianne's daughter gave her the order to stay at the table in case Maddie should appear there. The whole thing went ahead shortly before 22:00 and Gerry hurried with Maddie in his arms straight into the group of the Smith family. He tried a different, more quiet route now - to no avail.

Now the situation changed radically. Gerry had no alibi any more for the time of the encounter with the family. Jane Tanner, in panic of being sued for neglect in Portugal agreed to tell the story of the hijacker who was crossing the street at exactly the time when the only independent witness was talking with Gerry. The man who thwarted the plan the first time, had now to serve as an alibi witness.

The tension that resulted from the change in plans shows clearly in the first police interview of Gerry when he erroneously told them details of the original plan, namely, that Matthew had noticed the blinds closed during his alleged check at 21:30, although under the new plan the abduction should already have happened at that time. A change in the statement was later made on 10 May. Suddenly Matt had seen a little more light in the room than could be expected with lowered shutters. A meagre attempt to change an originally positive sighting into evidence that she had already been abducted at that time.

What happened now when Gerry ran into the group of the Smith family? He could be sure that at least one of them would remember the encounter when the media reports came in the next day. Furthermore he did not have an alibi for this time because officially he was searching for Madeleine around the resort. He had to return to the apartment immediately to show himself in front of Dianne and other persons. The 30 minutes planned for the removal would be far too long, so an intermediate place had to be found that would withstand the first searches and would have been relatively close to the Smith sighting. There was an abandoned house right at the crossing that has recently been mentioned by Goncalo Amaral in a newspaper interview.

The body might have been placed there or in one of the other abandoned houses, but these places would not withstand a thorough search. In any case Gerry would have to be back at the Ocean's Club and was then seen by Dianne Webster when she entered the apartment for the second time that evening. During her first visit he had not been there.

Jane Tanner had now to be informed to give Gerry an alibi for the time of the abduction. The man she was supposed to describe had to resemble Gerry enough to correlate both sightings but had to be different enough to not be Gerry. Therefore especially the hair had to be changed. Egg-man got long hair at the back that would not have been noticed by the Smiths since they only saw the abductor with the child from the front.

During the search by police, staff, holidaymakers and residents the parents must have been desperate until the search finally died down at 4 am. They had now 2 hours during which everything was quiet.

Around 5 am. Gerry and Kate headed for the beach to allegedly do their first own search after their daughter's disappearance. There is nothing in the files about the locations they went. But there is a statement made by a George Brooks who was heading by car from Lagos to Praia da Luz and saw a couple carrying a child in his headlight who took a flight towards a side street when he approached. This tallies perfectly with the statement of Yvonne Martin saying that Kate told her on the morning of May 4th that Maddie had been abducted by a couple. At this time Kate could hardly have known about this sighting by George Brooks and Gerry had been talking about a paedophile abduction the evening before.

In my humble opinion the body was now in a place that should give shelter for a longer period of time.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 26, 2019, 06:45:AM
http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.com/p/theory-english.html

The plan was to remove the body from the apartment at 21:00, a time when parents, who dined at the tapas restaurant usually picked up their children from the children's club, often carrying them sleeping in their arms. Gerry had witnessed it live the night before with the parents at the next table and it would be a good disguise for him carrying Madeleine in the open. The kidnapping was planned for the period between 21:30 and 22:00, Matthew Oldfield's alleged check at 21:30 should confirm that at that time everything was still fine.The original plan possibly involved a different route to the beach, one that would be consistent with the comings and goings of parents carrying their children. Possibly through the little lanes of the "shortcut" Gerry had described to the police.

At 21:00 almost all the friends were gathered in the restaurant. Matthew, of whom Dianne Webster was not sure to have seen him there, was in the process of checking the usually deserted streets and roads around the apartment block and returned shortly after 21:00 back to the table with the message that all was clear. Therefore Gerry immediately stood up to allegedly perform another check on the children. A meaningless endeavour, if it had been true. In fact, he was now going to bring the body to a pre-defined location, reachable within 30 minutes maximum including the return trip. When he was in the garden behind the house, he noticed Jeremy Wilkins coming up the street with his son in a buggy. Matt had not seen him before as Jeremy had been circling the block while trying to persuade his son to sleep.

Gerry had to cancel his trip and layed Maddie quickly down in a flower bed under the porch where later on cadaver odour was found. Gerry stepped out of the garden gate to chat with Jeremy and to distract him. When Jeremy moved on Gerry went back to the table in the restaurant.

Now, it was Russell O'Brien's turn to search the streets for pedestrians but it was getting late. After the end of the meal Dianne Webster would be the first to go into her apartment like the evenings before and would not be available as a witness any longer. Therefore they decided to keep to the schedule of an abduction between 21:30 and 22:00 but to dispose of the body AFTER Kate's enacted discovery that was triggered by Russell's return. The schedule would not change, the "kidnapping" would still have happened between 21:30 and 22:00 with Gerry at the table during that time. Only Dianne had to be prevented from storming with the others to the apartment and seeing Gerry as he disappeared with Maddie towards the sea. Therefore, Dianne's daughter gave her the order to stay at the table in case Maddie should appear there. The whole thing went ahead shortly before 22:00 and Gerry hurried with Maddie in his arms straight into the group of the Smith family. He tried a different, more quiet route now - to no avail.

Now the situation changed radically. Gerry had no alibi any more for the time of the encounter with the family. Jane Tanner, in panic of being sued for neglect in Portugal agreed to tell the story of the hijacker who was crossing the street at exactly the time when the only independent witness was talking with Gerry. The man who thwarted the plan the first time, had now to serve as an alibi witness.

The tension that resulted from the change in plans shows clearly in the first police interview of Gerry when he erroneously told them details of the original plan, namely, that Matthew had noticed the blinds closed during his alleged check at 21:30, although under the new plan the abduction should already have happened at that time. A change in the statement was later made on 10 May. Suddenly Matt had seen a little more light in the room than could be expected with lowered shutters. A meagre attempt to change an originally positive sighting into evidence that she had already been abducted at that time.

What happened now when Gerry ran into the group of the Smith family? He could be sure that at least one of them would remember the encounter when the media reports came in the next day. Furthermore he did not have an alibi for this time because officially he was searching for Madeleine around the resort. He had to return to the apartment immediately to show himself in front of Dianne and other persons. The 30 minutes planned for the removal would be far too long, so an intermediate place had to be found that would withstand the first searches and would have been relatively close to the Smith sighting. There was an abandoned house right at the crossing that has recently been mentioned by Goncalo Amaral in a newspaper interview.

The body might have been placed there or in one of the other abandoned houses, but these places would not withstand a thorough search. In any case Gerry would have to be back at the Ocean's Club and was then seen by Dianne Webster when she entered the apartment for the second time that evening. During her first visit he had not been there.

Jane Tanner had now to be informed to give Gerry an alibi for the time of the abduction. The man she was supposed to describe had to resemble Gerry enough to correlate both sightings but had to be different enough to not be Gerry. Therefore especially the hair had to be changed. Egg-man got long hair at the back that would not have been noticed by the Smiths since they only saw the abductor with the child from the front.

During the search by police, staff, holidaymakers and residents the parents must have been desperate until the search finally died down at 4 am. They had now 2 hours during which everything was quiet.

Around 5 am. Gerry and Kate headed for the beach to allegedly do their first own search after their daughter's disappearance. There is nothing in the files about the locations they went. But there is a statement made by a George Brooks who was heading by car from Lagos to Praia da Luz and saw a couple carrying a child in his headlight who took a flight towards a side street when he approached. This tallies perfectly with the statement of Yvonne Martin saying that Kate told her on the morning of May 4th that Maddie had been abducted by a couple. At this time Kate could hardly have known about this sighting by George Brooks and Gerry had been talking about a paedophile abduction the evening before.

In my humble opinion the body was now in a place that should give shelter for a longer period of time.

Madeleine's body was put to rest in a shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building across the street from the village church in Praia de Luz..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 26, 2019, 07:49:PM
Do you believe Madeleine died in the apartment, in which case this wasn't an abduction for the purposes of taking a child for whatever reason?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 27, 2019, 05:33:AM
Yvonne Warren Martin information:-

SERVICE INFORMATION



Date: 2007-06-12


To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation, Dr. Gonçalo Amaral

From: José Monteiro, Inspector

Re: Collection of Information

In the sequence of information transmitted to this Police force, on this date we went to the residence of Yvonne Warren Martin. The team was composed of the undersigned and his colleague Carlos Antunes, in conversation with Yvonne the following was established:

- On May 04, 2007, at around 07H00 she heard about the disappearance of an English girl from Praia da Luz, Lagos, from Sky News or BBC.
- Having worked for 25 years in the area of child protection, she felt obliged to offer help to her compatriots and went to Praia da Luz.

- At around 09H00, she met the McCann couple next to the apartment from where the child had disappeared, accompanied by a third person, a male, who seemed quite familiar to her.

- This third person of the group appeared to be an intimate (friend) of the family as he was the one who, when the media arrived, began to explain what was happening and answering questions, thereby saving the couple from this upset. Afterwards, she further confirmed his closeness to the family when she saw him taking care of the couple's twins, also small children.

- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation.

- During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.

- However, the third individual overheard this conversation and interrupted Ms. Martin and took the McCann couple away from her.
 This same individual came shortly afterwards to tell her that the couple did not want to talk to her any further and did not require her help - an action that appeared quite strange to her.

- Meanwhile, she heard comments next to the complex reception that the British Consul was coming to the site and she decided to wait for this person in order to offer her help.

- During this time, she saw the third individual two more times. Firstly, when he was accompanying an older woman and the McCann twins, demonstrating in this way, the trust that the couple had in him by letting him take care of their two children. On the second occasion, he accompanied what appeared to her to be plain clothed police officers.

--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:
Aged about 35 years
Of about 1,80 metres in height
Of normal physical appearance
Having short, dark hair
Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses
Having a round face
Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek

-
Speaking with a Southern English accent
Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

Bringing this to your attention,

Signed

José Monteiro
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 27, 2019, 05:35:AM

Witness Statement

Date: 2007.06.13

Time: 12H00

Name: YVONE WARREN MARTIN


Profession: Social Services and Child Protection

The witness is accompanied by a PJ interpreter, Carlos Moura, as she does not speak Portuguese.


She says that she has lived in Portugal for seven years on a part-time basis, in other words, for some months of the year she lives in her home in Sargaçal and

for the rest of the year lives in England, where she still works.

During the past month of May or more precisely on the 04th of May 2007, the witness was in Portugal, enjoying holidays, when at about 07H00 she turned on the television and watched an English news channel (BBC or SKY NEWS) where she saw an appeal to British citizens on holiday in the Algarve to offer all possible support to a British couple who were on holiday in Praia da Luz and whose daughter, a child, had disappeared on May 03, 2007.

As she works directly with situations of children at risk, and as she was very close to Praia da Luz, she went there with the intention of offering her help and support to the couple, she arrived there at about 09H30.

She clarifies that she did not leave immediately for Praia da Luz as she still had some things to do at home but left at around 09H00.

At first, she could not locate the exact site where the family was staying on holiday. Upon seeing a police patrol car which passed close by her, she asked the police if they could show her the right location. She was accompanied by the patrol car to the apartment from where the child had disappeared and where the parents were staying.

At the scene, she found a group of three people, two males and one female.

She went over to the group and identified herself.
Two members of that group, a male and a female, identified themselves as the parents of the missing child - the McCann couple.

The couple was visibly upset, and the mother was crying intensely.

The third person never identified himself, upon the witness's insistence the couple replied that he was a close friend of the family.

She adds that this third person appeared familiar to her.

Taking advantage of the information that she had heard on the news, she began questioning the couple about how often they had checked on the children, obtaining the reply that people would go to see them every hour.

As is normal and routine in her service, she asked whether Gerry was the biological father of the missing child, to which he replied yes.

She clarifies that she asked this question because during the course of her 25 years of service working with children at risk, it is very normal that when a couple has child and where the father or the mother is not a biological parent, the biological parent may have a tendency to come and "get" his child.

After having obtained the verbal response from Gerry, the mother, Kate, questioned what she was doing asking these questions which should be asked by the police, who were already on the scene in large numbers searching for her daughter, who had been taken by a couple.

At this moment, the witness notices that the couple began to have doubts about her capacity and she immediately showed them her official documents and credentials issued by the British government to calm them down.

Gerry took her documents and showed them to the third person and told him that they were authentic and were certified by the police.

At this moment, the witness wishes to clarify that, in England, anyone who works with children, whether a doctor, police officer or social worker, has to have a proper credential certified by the police and that this was one of the documents she showed to the McCanns.

Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.


The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10 in the morning.

Meanwhile a fourth individual came towards the group and identified himself as a journalist. The witness alerted the couple to the type of statements they should give and that it would be better for them to keep silent.

At this moment, the third person, who was always near to the couple and the witness, moved the couple away from her and the three of them talked in whispers for some time.

After this, and leaving the couple behind him, he approached the witness and told her that the couple did not want to speak any more with her, nor with anyone else.

The witness replied to him that if the McCann couple felt the need to talk to her later, she would be at their total disposal.

As she said earlier, this third person of the group is familiar to her, and thinks
that she may have come across him in the course of her work, as a suspect or witness.

She describes him as tall man, height about 1,80 m, about 35 years old, of normal physical complexion, with short, dark hair, with a round face and with a scar on the left side of his face running from the eyebrow to the check. He uses graduated glasses of small dimension with rectangular lenses. He spoke with a southern English accent and was wearing cream coloured trousers and a dark polo shirt
.
When asked whether that it would be possible to identify him from a photograph, the witness replied yes.

She adds that, after having spoken to the McCann couple, she spoke to the resort manager, and after identifying herself, asked him whether there had been a break-in in the apartment where the child was, to which he replied no but that the door was open as were the window blinds, which, according to Kate, should have been closed but were found open.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 27, 2019, 05:37:AM

Photographic Recognition File


On 13th June, 2007 at the Portimao DIC, Yvone Warren Martin appeared before me, José Monteiro, Inspector, in order to proceed with photographic recognition.

When asked, she described the suspect and she was shown photographs of various individuals who made up the McCann couple holiday group.

Upon visualising the photographs, she recognised David Anthony Payne, an individual who appeared in several photographs, as being the person she referred to in her statements and who she supposedly had known on another occasion.

The present document was drawn up and after being translated by the interpreter, will be signed.

Three signatures
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 27, 2019, 05:38:AM

YVONNE WARREN MARTIN

Places Worked:
1. Gateshead, Tyne & Wear
2. Southshields, Tyne & Wear
3. Newcastle, Tyne & Wear
4. York, North Yorkshire
5. Hull, Kingston Upon Hull
6. North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear
7. Plymouth, Devon


Witness Statement

Date: 2007/11/14
Time: 10H30
Place: DIC Portimao

Name: YVONNE WARREN MARTIN


Profession: Social Services and Child Protection

She comes to the process as a witness and as she does not speak Portuguese she is accompanied by interpreter Filipa Maria da Conceição Silva who will translate all questions and answers into English.

The witness has given a previous statement to this police force regarding the facts in question. This took place on 13-06-2007 and led to the inquiry of the statement that was taken. The witness confirms the complete integrity of that statement, everything was fully reproduced for this file. The witness was also shown attached page showing the places of work where she carried out her professional activities as Social Services Manager for Child Protection, having also confirmed that these were the cities where she carried out her professional activities.

She states that in the course of her contact with Madeleine's parents, described in detail in her previous statements, Kate told her that the child had been taken by a couple. During the meeting they had, the details of which are contained in her previous statement, she did not have the opportunity to ask in depth about this question nor about any other.

With regards to the individual who was close to Madeleine's parents when she met them, and who was later identified as David Payne, she reaffirms that the same individual seems familiar, possibly as this same individual intervened in a situation related to a professional activity of the witness. She clarifies that neither on that occasion, nor now that time has passed, can she remember concretely the place or the situation in which she may have come to know David Payne, but that she continues to think that the same individual is familiar to her but cannot state the particular situation.

She adds that her hypothesis is that she may have come to know him professionally through work, potentially having been colleagues at work or have worked at the same place but she cannot be certain where she met him as she does not remember

She says that about two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, when the police made an appeal for information about a man, carrying a child, who had been seen in the Luz zone, and whose clothing was described, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police, telling them the following: : regarding the various details she observed during her contact with the McCanns it is her opinion that they could be in some way involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.

She first found them aggressive and their reaction after she showed Madeleine's parents her credentials, also seemed strange to her. Afterwards she was informed that there were no signs of a break-in in the apartment. Knowing that they are doctors she found it absolutely abnormal that they left their children alone at home. Associating all of this with her professional experience, which tells her that in 99.99 % of missing children cases, the parents or other family members are involved, she felt it was her duty to inform the police of this.


She did this anonymously because she did not want to be bothered by the media. But she also states that according to what she remembers, when she met with Madeleine's parents, David Payne, who was with them, was wearing a dark polo shirt, blue or black coloured, cream coloured long trousers, of linen or cotton, and dark shoes (sandal/slipper type without a back buckle/catch). In her opinion, this clothing matches perfectly with the clothing the Police described the man (carrying the child) to be wearing at the time. All these coincidences made the witness think that the parents and their friends could possibly be involved in the disappearance of the child.

She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 27, 2019, 06:18:AM
Do you believe Madeleine died in the apartment, in which case this wasn't an abduction for the purposes of taking a child for whatever reason?

Hi Steve_UK..

I am currently looking in another possible explanation as to what happened to to Madeleine McCann...

The way I see it..

(a) She is either dead, or (b) still alive

If she is dead, then of course she must have died at apartment 5A of the Ocean club complex, or been killed afterwards by the people, and or persons that 'took her from the Apartment' in question.

On the other hand, if the truth be known, is that she is still very much alive -  in which case, the parents know who removed Madeleine from their lives, and the parents themselves know who is with positivity, that 'IF MADELEINE WAS TAKEN', that she was taken by a couple..

Now, how can it be possible for the McCann parents to somehow know who (if true) took Madeleine away from apartment 5A, 'if', and only if, she was taken from the McCann apartment on the evening of Thursday, 3rd May 2007 by 'anybody'?

If Madeleine McCann died under whatever circumstance...

If Madeleine McCann is dead I believe that her remains are still buried in the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building across the street / Road from St Vincents Church in Praia de Luz. I know with certainty that Madeleine McCann was at one stage or time, or other, reported to' have been taken' present inside the derelict building 'after' the date and time the parents reported her 'taken'..

I agree with the Scotland Yard inquiry team, that no matter how Madeleine McCann left apartment 5A, her disappearance has to be treated as an abduction (alive, and or dead)...

If Madeleine is still alive, then this was a well rehearsed abduction scenario..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 27, 2019, 06:34:AM
 Now, until my research is completed, I will refrain from alerting everyone to the 'alternative explanation',  in this mystery...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 28, 2019, 08:48:PM
Ok, I am ready to give my alternative explanation - If Madeleine is still alive..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 28, 2019, 09:05:PM
Ok, I am ready to give my alternative explanation - If Madeleine is still alive..

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Madeleine McCann is a hybrid child, A type 4 creation..

She was 'taken' by those responsible for creating her - The McCann parents knew that one day they would have to give Madeleine back...


She was returned to her creators during the Portugal holiday...








Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 28, 2019, 09:12:PM
I myself can confirm that I am a type 1 hybrid child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 28, 2019, 09:15:PM
The McCann parents will never get Madeleine back...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 28, 2019, 09:19:PM
The McCann parents will never get Madeleine back...

It should not come as any surprise to learn that UK's secret services have interfered and meddled with the Portuguese investigation into the alleged disappearance of Madeleine McCann 

If still alive, she will now be securely detained at Area 51 in Nevada..


like all of us hybrid children, we are of interest to the powers that be, and the aliens...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 29, 2019, 12:39:AM
Gerry McCann, on trolley bus at airport when a member of the Tapas group said to him,  'cheer up Gerry you are on holiday' 'which produced the following response from for him, 'Fuck off, I'm not here to enjoy myself'   ( young children were present when he had this outburst)...


Kate McCann told a close friend before going on holiday to Portugal that she had an uneasy feeling about the holiday, and a foreboding that something bad was going to happen in Portugal

What if anything did the McCann parents know before they embarked on the holiday that is relevant to the alleged disappearance / abduction of Madeleine?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 01:19:PM
Gerry McCann, on trolley bus at airport when a member of the Tapas group said to him,  'cheer up Gerry you are on holiday' 'which produced the following response from for him, 'Fuck off, I'm not here to enjoy myself'   ( young children were present when he had this outburst)...


Kate McCann told a close friend before going on holiday to Portugal that she had an uneasy feeling about the holiday, and a foreboding that something bad was going to happen in Portugal

What if anything did the McCann parents know before they embarked on the holiday that is relevant to the alleged disappearance / abduction of Madeleine?

The McCann parents and their three siblings, (including Madeleine) only went out to breakfast with their friends and family on one occasion, at the beginning of the holiday. On every other occasion (including the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd May 2007) the McCann's ate breakfast in their own apartment (block 5 premises 5A)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 01:59:PM
How many evenings / nights was a child (or children) crying inside apartment 5A? Once, or twice?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 02:48:PM
How many evenings / nights was a child (or children) crying inside apartment 5A? Once, or twice?

According to the McCann script, Madeleine raised concern with the parents at breakfast time on Wednesday 3rd May 2007, asking them 'why didn't you come back to the apartment last night when she and Sean had both been crying?  There is no independent corroborating evidence that Madeleine and Sean had been crying at all on Tuesday evening / night (2nd / 3rd May 2007). Indeed, according to Kate McCann she had slept alone in a single bed inside the children's bedroom, on the pretense that she did so  because of her husbands snoring habit. Whereas, Mrs Fenn heard a child crying from inside apartment 5A, on the previous evening (Monday) of 1st May 2007. According to Mrs Fenn only one child cried throughout the period between 10.30pm and 11.45pm. WHEREAS, the McCann parents blamed Madeleine for introducing the crying episode involving herself and Sean, one evening /night after Mrs Fenns true account. Kate McCann on her own admission slept in the single bed inside the children's room from the evening of Tuesday  2nd May 2007, until the morning of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007, Kate stating that if either Madeleine or Sean had been crying during the night that she would have heard the crying herself. So, if the children did not cry during the night when Kate slept in a single bed in the children's bedroom, and the only other time they could have been crying was prior to Kate getting into the single bed in that same bedroom. For example, during the period when the parent /parents went to the Tapas restaurant on that Tuesday evening. It falls to be taken into account the very strong possibility, that Kate McCann did not go out to the Tapas restaurant for evening meal on the Tuesday evening (2nd May and 2007), but rather that she remained at apartment 5A, and that therefore if any of her children had been crying that particular evening, then she would almost certainly have heard it or been disturbed later on by it when she slept with the children in the children's bedroom -  under the circumstances I believe that Madeleine wasn't even alive, or if she was alive on that evening, that she did not sleep at all in the McCann apartment, during any stage between the early hours of Tuesday morning and breakfast time on the Wednesday morning. She was either already 'dead' or 'taken' by that stage. Madeleine could not have told either of her parents about an imaginary crying episode involving herself and Sean earlier on, because she was either already dead by that time, and or gone..

It is very interesting that only 8 members of the so called Tapas group attended the evening meal -  one female member of the group who remained back in her apartment (that female was not Diane Webster, but Kate McCann). If I am correct in my assumptions, then nobody noticed that Kate had not attended the restaurant on that particular evening. It was the easiest thing in the world for anybody to substitute their absence from the evening meal, by falsifying the fact that Kate was in attendance there on that occasion and that the missing female was, for example, Diane Webster. By a rather bemusing coincidence Diane Webster would claim that she was unwell on that particular evening, and hence why she says she was absent from the evening meal.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 03:08:PM

It is very interesting that only 8 members of the so called Tapas group attended the evening meal -  one female member of the group who remained back in her apartment (that female was not Diane Webster, but Kate McCann). If I am correct in my assumptions, then nobody noticed that Kate had not attended the restaurant on that particular evening. It was the easiest thing in the world for anybody to substitute their absence from the evening meal, by falsifying the fact that Kate was in attendance there on that occasion and that the missing female was, for example, Diane Webster. By a rather bemusing coincidence Diane Webster would claim that she was unwell on that particular evening, and hence why she says she was absent from the evening meal.

If the truth be known, it was Kate McCann who stayed in her apartment that Tuesday evening, looking after the two twins, she already knew that Madeleine had died or was taken by somebody by then. If dead, then they almost certainly concealed her body behind the sofa in the living room of the apartment, and moving the body into the wardrobe within their bedroom.

That Diane Webster claims to have remained in her apartment and not attended the restaurant for evening meal on that occasion, and the very strong possibility that Kate McCann was the absent party, are inextricably linked to the vanishing child puzzle..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 03:22:PM
Only 8 members of the Tapas group attended evening meal that Tuesday evening. The absent party was a female. There were no children crying in apartment 5A that evening, and or during the night or morning of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007. The only crying episode took place on the evening of Monday the 1st May 2007,  as witnessed by Mrs Fenn. Denial by any of the Tapas group (including the McCann couple) that they visited Chaplains bar on the Monday evening,  is undone by the fact that witnesses gave information to the PJ that the McCanns and their friends were at Chaplins bar from around 10pm until around midnight. They were there..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 03:38:PM
Only 8 members of the Tapas group attended evening meal that Tuesday evening. The absent party was a female. There were no children crying in apartment 5A that evening, and or during the night or morning of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007. The only crying episode took place on the evening of Monday the 1st May 2007,  as witnessed by Mrs Fenn. Denial by any of the Tapas group (including the McCann couple) that they visited Chaplains bar on the Monday evening,  is undone by the fact that witnesses gave information to the PJ that the McCanns and their friends were at Chaplins bar from around 10pm until around midnight. They were there..

This lying as to the whereabouts of the McCann couple on that Monday evening, and the prolonged crying of a child between 10.30pm and 11.45pm, that same evening as witnessed by Mrs Fenn, the attempt to alter or displace the crying of a child from Monday evening to theTuesday evening, the presence or absence of Diane Webster or Kate McCann from evening meal at the Tapas restaurant  on the 2nd May 2007, the manner with which those involved in Madeleine's disappearance have introduced bouts of unwellness to cover for the presence or absence of one person or other, from the scene of an event, the use of a made up time table concerning when checks were made at various apartments on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, and a marked absence of any other such time tables covering checks made to apartments on other evenings (30th April, and and 1st, 2nd May 2007) at around evening meal time, point at some involvement by several members of the group in the disappearance, disposal or the killing of Madeleine McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 03:55:PM
This lying as to the whereabouts of the McCann couple on that Monday evening, and the prolonged crying of a child between 10.30pm and 11.45pm, that same evening as witnessed by Mrs Fenn, the attempt to alter or displace the crying of a child from Monday evening to theTuesday evening, the presence or absence of Diane Webster or Kate McCann from evening meal at the Tapas restaurant  on the 2nd May 2007, the manner with which those involved in Madeleine's disappearance have introduced bouts of unwellness to cover for the presence or absence of one person or other, from the scene of an event, the use of a made up time table concerning when checks were made at various apartments on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, and a marked absence of any other such time tables covering checks made to apartments on other evenings (30th April, and and 1st, 2nd May 2007) at around evening meal time, point at some involvement by several members of the group in the disappearance, disposal or the killing of Madeleine McCann..

Add the dodgy creche records covering the dates 1st, 2nd and 3rd of May 2007; together with the deleted phone records and messages passed between members of the tapas group and their friends, and families back in the UK, begins to build up a clear picture surrounding what has happened to Madeleine McCann, and why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 04:05:PM
The missing sports holdall from the cupboard in the parents bedroom of the apartment, and the missing pink blanket from Madeleine McCann's bed. The unwell O'Brien /Tanner child which is an excuse for Russell O'Brien to be absent from the Tapas bar at a crucial time of that evening, and the introduction of 'Tannerman'  by Jane Tanner, the abductor caught carrying off Madeleine, on and on, contradiction after contradiction..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 06:29:PM
Jane Tanner claims she went to relieve Russell O'Brien who was at their apartment looking after their unwell daughter so that he could return to the Tapas bar to eat his evening meal -  so she was absent from the Tapas restaurant at the time that Kate McCann allegedly discovered Madeleine to have been taken from apartment 5A. The O'Brien / Tanner child was about the same age as Madeleine. It is somewhat remarkable that if Madeleine died in apartment 5A as a result of a substance overdose that she would have become unwell before she actually died, then in the same way that the O'Brien  /Tanner child became unwell on that particular evening. Another odd thing is that Kate McCann washed Madeleine's bed sheets on the morning of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007,  and that Russell O'Brien washed his daughters bed sheets on the evening of Wednesday on the same day, the 3rd May 2007. Why did Kate McCann and Russell O'Brien wash their daughters respective bedsheets on the same day? Could it be that on that Wednesday morning Kate McCann decided to wash Madeleine's  bed sheets because her body had already been taken or that the O'Brien  / Tanner child had been sleeping in the bed at the McCann apartment as a decoy substitute for Madeleine?  Insofar as Russell O'Brien washing his daughters bedsheets that Wednesday evening did he decide to do that because Madeline's body had been placed in his daughters bed after Madeleine's body had been taken out of the McCann apartment sometime during Tuesday the 2nd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2019, 06:41:PM
Why did Jane Tanner not realise her own daughter was unwell, when she went to check it after 9.10pm. If we are to believe what they are telling us, because Russell O'Brien did not leave the Tapas bar until 9.30pm that particular evening to do his check of their apartment, it turned out to be something  rather dramatic that within the space of 15 to 20. Minutes that there own daughters health had taken a turn for the worst...

More worryingly, is the fact that the O'Brien  /Tanner daughters health had got worse during the same 15 to 20 minute period that Madeleine had potentially gone missing from apartment 5A, or if we are to believe that Tannerman was the true abductor, conveniently introduced by Jane Tanner at around 9.10pm, some 20 minutes or so before O'Brien did his 9.30pm check -  where was Jane Tanner when Russell O'Brien left the Tapas restaurant to do his 9.30pm check of their apartment?  Similarly, mystery surrounds the whereabouts of Jane Tanner at the time Kate claims that she discovered Madeleine had been taken at 10pm?

Seems somewhat obvious to me that Tanner and O'Brien were involved in the getting rid of Madeleine's body, because within a one hour period both are absent from the Tapas restaurant giving either or both the opportunity to take part as accomplices in the cover up. For example, Jane Tanner at around 9.10pm, and Russell O'Brien nearer 10pm, or vice versa...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 01, 2019, 02:23:AM
I believe I am correct in saying that visits by Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner to their own apartment on that Wednesday evening (3rd May 2007) at 9.10pm, 9.30pm and 9.45pm, were in connection with both or either of them moving Madeleine's body from their own apartment before Mathew Oldfield discovered Madeleine to be missing from the McCann apartment, during his 9.pm visit. This has to be true because otherwise the McCann's and other members of their group would surely all have known that Madeleine had been taken, and was missing from the McCann apartment long before Kate herself alerted everyone to the fact that by 10pm she had discovered her gone. According to Mathew Oldfield, he only spoke once to Gerry McCann, after his first check of apartment 5A at 9pm, information which caused McCann to scurry off back to the McCann apartment at 9.05pm promptly. It is not even clear whether or not Gerry McCann had even returned to the Tapas restuarant until after Kate alerted everyone to the fact that Madeleine had been taken...

Another interesting bit of information concerns the fact that Mathew Oldfield left the Tapas restaurant at about 9.30pm, and by which stage a couple who were sat at a table on the restaurant terrace had been talking excitedly at around 9.15pm about the taking of a three year old little girl from one of the complex apartments. It therefore falls to be taken into consideration that Mathew Oldfield must have entered the McCann apartment when he did his first check of the McCann apartment and that he was the source of the missing child information..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 01, 2019, 08:01:AM
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Another interesting bit of information concerns the fact that Mathew Oldfield left the Tapas restaurant at about 9.30pm, and by which stage a couple who were sat at a table on the restaurant terrace had been talking excitedly at around 9.15pm about the taking of a three year old little girl from one of the complex apartments. It therefore falls to be taken into consideration that Mathew Oldfield must have entered the McCann apartment when he did his first check of the McCann apartment and that he was the source of the missing child information..
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According to a member of staff who worked in the Tapas restaurant bar area on Wednesday 3rd May 2007, he confirms that at 9.30pm the restaurant tables used by the so called Tapas 9 group were all abandoned or vacated. However, the guests had all left their respective dining tables leaving behind items of individual and personal items -  does this not suggest that the table absconders had collectively left the Tapas restaurant after in a hurry?

Where had everyone disappeared to?

Had they all been taken or abducted, and if so who by?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 01, 2019, 08:20:AM
Another member of staff commented that at 9.45pm the dining tables normally occupied by the McCann entourage were all empty accept for a middle aged lady who was sat at one of the vacated dining tables, this lady turned out to be Diane Webster. She, and as it turns out remained behind to keep an eye on the groups personal property after everyone else had run off back to the McCann apartment in a hurry...

So obviously everybody in the McCann group (with the exception of the McCann parents) must have known that Madeleine was missing from apartment 5A, at or by 9.30pm and 9.45pm..

But if that be true, then how come Kate and Gerry McCann did not find out anything about Madeleine's disappearance from their apartment until Kate had left the Tapas restaurant at 10pm to go and do one of her apartment before checks of the families apartment, only to discover at that time, that Madeleine was no longer there?

It remains to be seen exactly how Gerry McCann and Mathew Oldfield both could say that at the time of their respective checks which were made in apartment 5A ( 9pm 9.05pm, a d 9.30pm) that Madeleine was asleep in the children's bedroom?  How did everyone else know about Madeleine's demise by 9.30pm, if as Gerry McCann. claimed that she sleeping in her bed the last time he had seen Madeleine that particular evening (9.05pm)?

It should be plain to almost everyone that the McCann parents are lying about Madeleine being left merely sleeping in her bed whilst her parents went to evening meal at the nearby Tapas restaurant on that red letter day of key events..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 01, 2019, 09:57:PM
Why did Jane Tanner not realise her own daughter was unwell, when she went to check it after 9.10pm. If we are to believe what they are telling us, because Russell O'Brien did not leave the Tapas bar until 9.30pm that particular evening to do his check of their apartment, it turned out to be something  rather dramatic that within the space of 15 to 20. Minutes that there own daughters health had taken a turn for the worst...

More worryingly, is the fact that the O'Brien  /Tanner daughters health had got worse during the same 15 to 20 minute period that Madeleine had potentially gone missing from apartment 5A, or if we are to believe that Tannerman was the true abductor, conveniently introduced by Jane Tanner at around 9.10pm, some 20 minutes or so before O'Brien did his 9.30pm check -  where was Jane Tanner when Russell O'Brien left the Tapas restaurant to do his 9.30pm check of their apartment?  Similarly, mystery surrounds the whereabouts of Jane Tanner at the time Kate claims that she discovered Madeleine had been taken at 10pm?

Seems somewhat obvious to me that Tanner and O'Brien were involved in the getting rid of Madeleine's body, because within a one hour period both are absent from the Tapas restaurant giving either or both the opportunity to take part as accomplices in the cover up. For example, Jane Tanner at around 9.10pm, and Russell O'Brien nearer 10pm, or vice versa...
A good podcast here concerned amongst other things with the Tanner and Smith sightings, the possible involvement of Robert Murat and the movements of Gerry McCann on that fateful night..https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12212288
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 01, 2019, 10:06:PM
Just to be clear the podcast entitled "Man With No Face" occurs about halfway down the page. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12212288
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 08:43:AM
A good podcast here concerned amongst other things with the Tanner and Smith sightings, the possible involvement of Robert Murat and the movements of Gerry McCann on that fateful night..https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12212288

First and foremost I believe that I am correct in saying that the official timeline of events which focus on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as having occurred on Wednesday the 3rd May 2007 from 9pm, onwards is nothing but something of a red flag which has been introduced for the specific purpose of altering the date and time of Madeleine 's disappearance / handover/ abduction / death,  etc to a much later date and time, in an attempt to make it appear that the McCann parents and some of their Tapas group friends had not played any sinister role whatsoever in the matter..

Madeleine McCann did not go missing from the McCann apartment (5A) on the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007, she was not abducted on that date, and she did not die in the apartment on that occasion..

One thing which seems a nailed on certainty,  is that on a previous occasion before Wednesday the 3rd May 2007,  that either somebody took Madeleine's body out of the McCann apartment, or escorted her out of there, and took her to another temporary location. Because of this, the PJ were never going to be able to prove that whatever happened to Madeleine McCann, namely that it had occurred on that evening, because it hadn't, and it didn't..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 08:54:AM
Everything leads me to conclude that whatever took place involving Madeleine, which had occurred or took place, did so on an earlier date -  either on the 30th April or 2007, or the 1st May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 09:11:AM
Everything leads me to conclude that whatever took place involving Madeleine, which had occurred or took place, did so on an earlier date -  either on the 30th April 2007, or the 1st May 2007...


The dodgy creche records, covering entries on 1st, 2nd and 3rd May, give a clear indication to me, that the McCann parents, together with some of their closest friends, had two or three days, to come up with a solution without any of them becoming implicated in Madeleine's disappearance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 09:31:AM

The dodgy creche records, covering entries on 1st, 2nd and 3rd May, give a clear indication to me, that the McCann parents, together with some of their closest friends, had two or three days, to come up with a solution without any of them becoming implicated in Madeleine's disappearance..

The parents account concerning what Madeleine had done during the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd May 2007, were made up and designed to fool the local police into running a botched investigation, on the footing that the police would be unable to find any conclusive proof that Madeleine had died in apartment 5A on the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007 whilst the McCann parents were at the Tapas restaurant enjoying evening meal and drinks...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 09:46:AM
It was important and deemed necessary to fool everyone into believing that Madeleine was still  very much alive and still taking part in creche activities right up until tea time on Wednesday evening..

In order to pull this deception off,  it was necessary for the McCann parents to rely on some of their friends to prove that not only was Madeleine alive, but a child of one of their friends was almost certainly used in a substitution process, and who stayed with the McCann family at apartment 5A, in an attempt to impersonate the now departed, lost, sold, abducted, and returned Madeleine and to her creators from sometime on the evening of the 1st May 2007, onwards, and right up until the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007 and the time that Madeleine's disappearance had been alerted to, either by Mathew Oldfield (9pm) or Kate McCann (10pm) that same evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 11:10:AM

 a child of one of their friends was almost certainly used in a substitution process, and who stayed with the McCann family at apartment 5A, in an attempt to impersonate the now departed, lost, sold, abducted, and returned Madeleine and to her creators from sometime on the evening of the 1st May 2007, onwards, and right up until the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007 and the time that Madeleine's disappearance had been alerted to, either by Mathew Oldfield (9pm) or Kate McCann (10pm) that same evening...

Perhaps, Jane Tanners 'exit from the Tapas bar' at around 9.10pm on that Wednesday evening was to collect and remove her daughter from the McCann apartment prior to the alert being broadcast about the abduction, disappearance  and missing Madeleine McCann, or alternatively for her to return to her own apartment, either carrying her daughter back there from the McCann apartment, or before collecting up the body of Madeleine and carrying her off to other accomplices who had access to a vehicle, and upon receiving Madeleine from Jane Tanner, they gave her a lift back to apartment block 5, and or the McCann apartment -  but one thing seems already established and this being that Jane Tanner did not return back at the Tapas restaurant after her original departure at around 9.10pm.  Additionally, there is no reference to Jane Tanner departing the Tapas bar on any second occasion in addition to her original departure from there earlier, so that she could presumably relieve Russell O'Brien from looking after their sick daughter, and he return back to the Tapas restaurant to eat his evening meal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 12:05:PM
There has to be something which links the absences of Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien from the Tapas bar restaurant, and the claim that their daughter was sick, and the alert that Madeleine McCann had been taken...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 12:09:PM
There has to be something which links the absences of Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien from the Tapas bar restaurant, and the claim that their daughter was sick, and the alert that Madeleine McCann had been taken...

I believe that Jane Tanner carried Madeleine's body in her own arms during a supposed visit and check (9.10pm) of her own apartment. There is no evidence that Tanner left the Tapas restaurant on a second occasion to releive Russell O'Brien..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 06:22:PM
Team McCann have put all their eggs into one basket and chosen to go with and stick with the claim that Madeleine was alive inside apartment 5A until the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007, at which stage she was 'gone' , and was 'missing' , and or was 'abducted' , or 'taken' by 'them', or by 'a couple'. They claim that Madeleine took part in creche and the kids club activities on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd May 2007,  by a reliance on the upon dodgy creche logs. In one particular interview,  Gerry McCann asked the presenter / reporter 'if the parents killed Madeleine and disposed of her body, when exactly did we kill her,  and how could we have hid her body so successfully'  -  when we were 'in the company of so many other people having our evening meal at the Tapas restaurant bar' close to the apartment?

Well, 'you didn't kill her' on the evening Wednesday the 3rd May 2007 and 'you did not get rid of Madeleine's body' whilst you were occupied with eating your evening meal on that same evening. If she died, then she almost certainly died on the 30th April, 2007 or on the 1st May 2007. Yet in view of what is now known, it still remains possible that Madeleine was not killed at all, and that she is  not dead, and that she did not die, and but was part of some sort of a deal where the McCann's had to hand her back over to one or more people who were involved in the 'IVF/ hybrid /alien Cross breeding project treatment',  designed to eventually produce mutational crossbreed humonoids that will become an integral part of the new World order almost being thrust upon mankind..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 06:44:PM
Team McCann have done nothing but try and force the PJ, the public, and a world audience to prove how they managed to kill Madeleine, and to dispose of her body on a specific date, when they have got the almost perfect alibi capable of exonerating them...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 02, 2019, 08:33:PM
Team McCann have put all their eggs into one basket and chosen to go with and stick with the claim that Madeleine was alive inside apartment 5A until the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007, at which stage she was 'gone' , and was 'missing' , and or was 'abducted' , or 'taken' by 'them', or by 'a couple'. They claim that Madeleine took part in creche and the kids club activities on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd May 2007,  by a reliance on the upon dodgy creche logs. In one particular interview,  Gerry McCann asked the presenter / reporter 'if the parents killed Madeleine and disposed of her body, when exactly did we kill her,  and how could we have hid her body so successfully'  -  when we were 'in the company of so many other people having our evening meal at the Tapas restaurant bar' close to the apartment?

Well, 'you didn't kill her' on the evening Wednesday the 3rd May 2007 and 'you did not get rid of Madeleine's body' whilst you were occupied with eating your evening meal on that same evening. If she died, then she almost certainly died on the 30th April, 2007 or on the 1st May 2007. Yet in view of what is now known, it still remains possible that Madeleine was not killed at all, and that she is  not dead, and that she did not die, and but was part of some sort of a deal where the McCann's had to hand her back over to one or more people who were involved in the 'IVF/ hybrid /alien Cross breeding project treatment',  designed to eventually produce mutational crossbreed humonoids that will become an integral part of the new World order almost being thrust upon mankind..
This is all going over my head. The most dramatic and shocking claim in the podcast quoted in #4404 was that the Irishman Smith recognized Gerry as the man he saw carrying a young child in his arms around 9:45pm by the similar way he was carrying Sean down the steps from the aircraft at East Midlands airport when the family eventually came home.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2019, 09:44:PM
This is all going over my head. The most dramatic and shocking claim in the podcast quoted in #4404 was that the Irishman Smith recognized Gerry as the man he saw carrying a young child in his arms around 9:45pm by the similar way he was carrying Sean down the steps from the aircraft at East Midlands airport when the family eventually came home.

'Oh, what a tangled Web we weave, when we first practice to deceive'?

Please, consider the following proposition - either the person seen by the Smith contingent really was Gerry (Gerald) McCann, or alternatively it was Russell O'Brien who was seen by the various members of the Smith extended family -  but if it was Russell O'Brien,  He was carrying his own daughter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 02:44:AM
'Oh, what a tangled Web we weave, when we first practice to deceive'?

Please, consider the following proposition - either the person seen by the Smith contingent really was Gerry (Gerald) McCann, or alternatively it was Russell O'Brien who was seen by the various members of the Smith extended family -  but if it was Russell O'Brien,  He was carrying his own daughter...

And, if it was actually Gerry McCann who was seen by the Smith family the child he was carrying was not Madeleine, but the daughter of Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 02:53:AM
The man seen by the Smith contingent, who was carrying the child in his arms was either Gerry McCann, or Russell O'Brien. ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 03:14:AM
The man seen by the Smith contingent, who was carrying the child in his arms was either Gerry McCann, or Russell O'Brien. ..

Please look at the identikit images affirmed by members of the Smith contingent (there are two such images) and then consider these against images of  Russell O'Brien, and or Gerald McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 03:18:AM
If the truth be made known, then I believe that the Smith contingent are referring to a confrontation /meeting as described in passing of Gerald McCann -  'he was not carrying his own daughter in his arms' at the crucial moment, but rather the daughter of O'Brien / Tanner...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 11:56:AM
If the truth be made known, then I believe that the Smith contingent are referring to a confrontation /meeting as described in passing of Gerald McCann -  'he was not carrying his own daughter in his arms' at the crucial moment, but rather the daughter of O'Brien / Tanner...

The only other possibility is that the man carrying child, who was seen by the Smith contingent was Russell O'Brien. It is worth noting that the Smith sighting took place a hundred yards or so, from the location where Sergei Malinkas car was subsequently burnt out, and someone had painted the word 'Falla'  (talk) on the pavement alongside'...

Malinka and Robert Murat, knew each other...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 12:04:PM
Robert Murat did not become an interpreter between the McCann's and the Portuguese police innocently. In fact, he was hired by team McCann to keep the McCann parents up to date, as to what the PJ were doing, and the approach they were taking to the McCann team script of the matter..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 12:12:PM
Everywhere you look or turn to, certain now established facts are identified and noted..

Members of the Tapas 9 group knew all the other witnesses and potential suspects in the investigation. However, not all the relationships between these individuals have been fully explored to date..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 12:37:PM
Everywhere you look or turn to, certain now established facts are identified and noted..

Members of the Tapas 9 group knew all the other witnesses and potential suspects in the investigation. However, not all the relationships between these individuals have been fully explored to date..

In a nutshell are  :- 

links between Robert  Murat and Sergei Malinka

Links between Robert Murat and members of team McCann (before, on and after Wednesday the 3rd May 2007)

The true whereabouts of Gerald McCann between 9.05pm and 11.30pm on the key date (Wednesday and the 3rd May 2007)

The true movements of Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner, and other members of the so called Tapas 9 group on and throughout Wednesday the 3rd May 2007

The Carpenter couple, and the involvement of them in all matters of team McCann, and any possible link between the Carpenters, the Doddards, and any member of the Tapas 9 group

Etc, etc, etc...


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 12:42:PM
Everything stacks in favour of the McCann parents and some of their friends acting out a prearranged script covering Madeleine's disapearance whilst holidaying in Portugal..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 12:47:PM
The current Scotland Yard investigation needs to forget team McCann's script concerning the evening of Wednesday 3rd May 2007, and instead focus as much as possible on the events leading up this point...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 12:49:PM
The current Scotland Yard investigation needs to forget team McCann's script concerning the evening of Wednesday 3rd May 2007, and instead focus as much as possible on the events leading up this point...

Namely, from the start of their vacation, onwards...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 02:45:PM
Forget trying to prove that Madeleine died inside apartment 5A on the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007, or that the McCann parents were involved in her disappearence sometime after 9pm, and prior to 10pm the same evening. Team McCann have deliberately set any investigation up, around the suggestion that Madeleine was abducted from apartment 5A, on that particular day date (evening) but she wasn't..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 04:09:PM
IVF _ documentation needs to be checked in connection with conception and the birth of Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 04:11:PM
IVF _ documentation needs to be checked in connection with conception and the birth of Madeleine McCann...

This information might impact on the DNA results taken from the McCann apartment, items of clothing, and the blood found behind the sofa and trace evidence found in the hire car,  etc...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 05:33:PM
As yet, no DNA samples or any forensic examination has been taken, or found inside the derelict building, and or its rear garden,  or indeed the shallow grave in a hollow where I truly believe Madeleine McCanns body was disposed of, and still lies..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 05:58:PM
Discarded Clothing that I found hidden beneath some debri inside one of the rooms of the derelict building potentially harbour the DNA of its wearing...

A shirt
A pair of light coloured blue jeans
A dark blue coloured Nylon kaghoul

Of course being the diligent person that I am I captured images of the relevant items described, and and I sent copies of all the photographs I had taken whilst carrying out a search of the premises and its grounds to the PJ..

Upon contacting the PJ about this matter in June 2010 I was asked to send any photographic material to the PJ by Internet facility. I have in total taken hundreds of photographs in and around Praia De Luz in connection with this case, and it's streets...

I sent all these images to the PJ all in numerical order (I have confirmation in the form of a message received by me from the PJ requesting the images)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 06:58:PM
Discarded Clothing that I found hidden beneath some debri inside one of the rooms of the derelict building potentially harbour the DNA of its wearing...

A shirt
A pair of light coloured blue jeans
A dark blue coloured Nylon kaghoul


Yet, there was no attempt to ask for a DNA sample from myself, and I will assume that the perpetrator did not anticipate any trace evidence found on one or more of these items, could or would ever be linkable to him, or her..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 07:01:PM
Why is my contribution towards helping to solve this case, being withheld by the PJ disclosures,  and why has Operation Grange ignored the astounding discoveries which I stumbled upon in June 2010?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 07:06:PM
Why is my contribution towards helping to solve this case, being withheld by the PJ disclosures,  and why has Operation Grange ignored the astounding discoveries which I stumbled upon in June 2010?

Furthermore, why have the McCann's not insisted that the shallow grave and the derelict building across the street from St Vincents church been thoroughly searched and samples collected up for analysis?

What if Gerry and Kate McCann's DNA is found in this derelict building or the DNA of Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield and David Payne, is found there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 07:15:PM
All I can say, is that the derilect building and its shallow grave at one corner of the rear garden emits paranormal energy, which indicates foul play, and that the victim responsible for these outpourings is deceased.The deceased in this case was Madeleine McCann, I know this to be true because I captured an image of Madeleine McCann's departed soul in the 'Pink Room' on the floor of a room which provided the killer or his accomplice, and a simple way of communicating with one other accomplice to communicate with one another, from one side of the street to the other..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 09:43:PM
Once, the PJ or Scotland yard go and search the derelict building and take forensic samples all will be revealed..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 03, 2019, 09:44:PM
All I can say, is that the derilect building and its shallow grave at one corner of the rear garden emits paranormal energy, which indicates foul play, and that the victim responsible for these outpourings is deceased.The deceased in this case was Madeleine McCann, I know this to be true because I captured an image of Madeleine McCann's departed soul in the 'Pink Room' on the floor of a room which provided the killer or his accomplice, and a simple way of communicating with one other accomplice to communicate with one another, from one side of the street to the other..
I thought the cadaver dogs had searched a one kilometer radius from the apartment complex.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2019, 09:48:PM
I thought the cadaver dogs had searched a one kilometer radius from the apartment complex.

The cadaver /blood hounds belonging to the Portuguese authorities picked up Madeleine's scent from apartment 5A and followed it down the street in the direction of the Baptiste supermarket where the trail was lost. However, what is not clear to me was which side of the McCann apartment did the Portuguese police police dogs initially pick up Madeleine's scent from?  For example, at the roadside door, or the steel shuttered children's bedroom window, or from the vicinity of the sliding patio doors and its veranda on the poolside of the apartment. Seems to me that if Madeleine was taken or abducted as alleged by team McCann that the person who took Madeleine was not and could not have been Tannerman because according to Jane Tanners account, the man carrying the child was apparently walking in a different direction away from the apartment block and the general location of the Baptist supermarket. Tannerman was walking away on the pavement of block 5 in the general direction of the Carpenter couples apartment, and the Murat villa _ why didn't the police dogs pick up the trail of Tannerman carrying the child off in the direction he was seen to have been walking?

Steve_uk waste land areas, and the catecombs of the church were included in the search criteria, but not the derelict building and the shallow grave...

Here are several views of the shallow grave and its location in the corner of the derelict buildings rear garden that I am talking about..


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 06:06:AM
What struck me when I stumbled upon this shallow grave site,  were the existence of  11 or so large stones which had been set out around one edge of the grave and base of a garden wall, and laid out in the direction of the Ocean..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 06:09:AM
What struck me when I stumbled upon this shallow grave site,  were the existence of  11 or so large stones which had been set out around one edge of the grave and base of a garden wall, and laid out in the direction of the Ocean..

Rather puzzlingly, someone had chalked 11 or so white crosses on a door frame of a room inside the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 06:15:AM
The position and location of the shallow grave site was dug so that anyone standing on top of the grave could see the tower of St Vincents Church across the street, and leaving me with the impression that whoever had dug this grave had religious beliefs and tendencies..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 08:03:AM
By June 2010, nobody had searched the rear garden or dug up whatever was buried there originally in the shallow grave...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 08:32:AM
This is the derelict building located directly across the street from the Church in Praia De Luz..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 01:23:PM
THE Satanic Elite and child Abduction

Who is Sergey Malinka?

Sergey Malinka is a Moldavian-Russian man who has been living in Praia da Luz for about seven [or more] years. He is considered to be an expert in computer-related stuff and as a result is well known and enjoys a high social profile. He also operates a computer store in Praia da Luz. On May 16, 2007 he was interviewed by the Portuguese police in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on the night of May 3, 2007 from a room in an apartment at the Mark Warner Ocean Club in Praia de Luz. When the police arrived at his apartment to question him, he had already wiped clean the hard drive of his personal computer which contained hundreds of files known only to him. He denied any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and the police could not arrest nor charge him with anything for a lack of evidence. How did Malinka found out the police were going to his place to question him in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? If he didn't have anything to hide why did he wipe clean the files on his computer? As a matter of record for anyone to verify, Sergey Malinka telephoned former suspect in the case Robert Murat on or about 10:30 pm on May 3, 2007 - just some 30 minutes after Madeleine McCann went missing. Phone records show that both men were in continuous contact during the crucial hours after her disappearance. In addition, Robert Murat's mother Jennifer who operates a bed-and-breakfast business in Praia da Luz confirmed that both men had met and talked lengthily before and after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Also, in its edition dated August 7, 2007 the digital magazine Variedad published a report featuring information on Sergey Malinka and his relationship with Robert Murat. According to the report, Sergey Malinka has a criminal background related to paedophilia, and his relationship with Robert Murat is based on common business interests connected to child trafficking, on behalf of international organisations with presence in Portugal and involved in this highly lucrative criminal enterprise. Malinka mysteriously disappeared from Praia da Luz shortly after Madeleine McCann was snatched from the bed she was sleeping on. The report by Variedad also included information on a large number of child-porn videos and pictures that were found at Robert Murat's house during a search after the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann had occurred on the night of May 3, 2007.

Sergey Malinka was [or still is] employed as a trip organizer by the Corlett Lines Company who owns the yacht "Naomi Corlett" which was believed to be the vessel that left Portimao in the early afternoon hours of May 3, 2007 and headed towards the Marina in Lagos to be positioned near Praia da Luz. As a matter of record for anyone to verify, Malinka was [or still is] an organizer of expeditions to remote islands off the coast of Africa on behalf of the Corlett Lines Company, and was also involved in offering boat trips in the Mediterranean and to the North of Africa. These business activities show that he had access to sea vessels before May 3, 2007. Also, telephone communication records available confirm that Malinka called his wife that was on board the yacht after its arrival at the Marina in the early afternoon hours of May 3, 2007. All of these and other facts suggest that Sergey Malinka was either directly involved in or has vital information on the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Sergey Malinka is also a man with different alias. According to reports published on the sergeant's inn website, Malinka is known also as "Nick Legaloff," "Nikolai Fedorenko," "Ivan Nikolayevich Petrov," and possibly other false names. Why so many fake names? What is he really up that requires him to use so many fake names? These and many more questions remained unanswered on an individual whose shadowy activities make him a subject of interest in connection with different events, including what links to the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann. But above all, the biggest unanswered question is: Why was his car destroyed, and the Portuguese word "fala" ["talk] written in large letters next to it?  Who wants him to "talk" about what? Whoever burned Malinka's car must have valid reasons to demand of him to "talk" in such a violent way. What does Malinka know that you and I don't regarding the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann?  May we suggest that investigators currently working on the case give consideration to this information?

POSTED BY ACTIVIST AT 8:48 AM 

2 COMMENTS:
Ironside said...

Malinka also said the Police beat the shit out of him. Amarals dog had its head smashed in...The house next door to Amarals was burgled???wrong house maybe?...The restaurant in Essex that calls itself 'Child friendly' remember Mccanns Blog..'Child friendly Toppings' The Giraffe...was blown up while questioning was going on in Leicester.

The Hubbards claim to have been burgled and their lap top and mobile phone were stolen...The Hubbards used both to have contact with the Mccanns...A month later the Mccanns were in Canada and met with Susan Hubbard (a known drinker).

George Galloway has a property in the Algarve and known there for his strange visitors. Galloway said that the Mccanns are one of two things..the most unlucky or the most evil people in the world.

JANUARY 8, 2010 AT 6:20 AM

Anonymous said...

That Malinka was beating up by Portuguese police is not news at all. The human rights violations of the Portuguese police in handling prisoners is well documented. They are one the most brutal police force in Europe. Amnesty International published a detailed report containing information on this. The McCanns did not get beating up or torture because they are British. Had they been Portuguese they would be in prison now.
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 02:03:PM
FRIDAY, AUGUST 8, 2008

The covering up of crimes against humanity on behalf of a satanic and perverted global elite

The satanic global elite, heinous child abduction, and the cover up of crimes against humanity by their subordinates

"Whenever the establishment wants to cover up a crime or hide the real power behind it watch for police incompetence. You see it over-and-over not least in the case of Madeleine McCann, which has the hallmark of a professional kidnap to order..."

The above statement was made by author David Icke who wrote an article on the subject of organized child abduction and the role of the officialdom in covering up monstrous crimes against humanity on behalf of the elite as their sponsors. The article was published at www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/35.html dated December 16, 2007.  If the subject of organized child abduction and who is really behind it is of interest to you, it is suggested that you read the article written by David Icke. His website address is http://www.davidicke.com/ 

The complicity of the controlled media in crimes against humanity

The large amount of media coverage on the case of Madeleine McCann, has contribute to raise consciousness on a heinous criminal activity that has been going on for decades, without the elite-controlled mass media informing the public on the destructive magnitude of these extremely evil crimes against humanity. The complaisant role of complicity by the elite-controlled media, has been and continuous to be denying that child abduction has reached a massive scale that has produced epidemic proportions and destruction of the victim's life and their families. Due to the successful media coverage, the case of Madeleine McCann has become the flagship (more-or-less) of victims by organized child abduction and vanishing which is promoted, abetted, financed, encouraged and more, by a satanic and perverted rich and powerful elite class controlling entire governments affecting thereby all aspects of life for common people in society. If it were not for Internet websites containing non-conventional information on who is truly behind child abduction, we would not have the information that we have now on the subject. The elite-controlled media has not and will not go into depth to analyze in great detail all the intrinsic components related to child abduction, because that would be considered as an act of disobedience or "dissidence" to the evil and perverted status quo established by the elite to whom they are unconditionally subordinated. It can be dangerous to challenge the elite anywhere, particularly in countries where Zionist and masonic Illuminati descendants have a strong presence.Those who disobeyed them or turned against their satanic and perverted status quo --including John F. Kennedy-- were murdered or died in mysterious ways no one could explain objectively and coherently. Everything they do is extremely evil and sinister. Also, most largest media corporations are owned or controlled by Zionist-Masons who represent the interest of the Illuminati elite with headquarters in the UK. The satanic Illuminati is historically deep-rooted in Germany and 1776 is the year of its creation by a mason Jew whose name was Adam Weishaupt. The role of the elite-controlled Portuguese media in the case of Madeleine McCann, is an appropriate demonstration of the methods used by the establishment when they need to cover up heinous crimes committed on behalf of a rich, powerful and perverted elite class to whom they are subordinated. Since day one, the puppet Portuguese media started an scandalous well-planned orchestrated and very insidious smearing campaign against Geary and Kate McCann, designed to sidetrack the attention from kidnapping to the murder of Madeleine by her own parents according to plans elaborated by officialdom staff, very possibly the police, as part of their strategy to get away with the crime. The obviously false smearing campaign which demonized Geary and Kate McCann as the perpetrators of the supposed crime, served to reinforce the subsequent declaration of them being declared suspects ["arguidos"] on the false version death of their daughter, all without a shred of evidence. In reality this was done to buy time so that the abduction of Madeleine would be become settle according to plans. Moreover, throughout the whole "investigation" process the elite-controlled Portuguese media kept reinforcing the "murder" official version of which Goncalo Amaral was the most enthusiastic promoter. He continuous to claim that "Madeleine is dead" but without providing concrete evidence to back up his claim. He is hiding something else he knows. The most recent Portuguese media demonstration of complicity in covering up the abduction of Madeleine McCann, was an abrupt loud announcement made after the Portuguese Judiciary decided to lift the "arguido" status that was conveniently lodged against the McCanns. Even when not even Lawyers assigned to the case had received notification, officials at the Portuguese police authorized the public announcement made by one of the largest media group in Portugal. This action arouse great suspicion among the legal team working on the case and also on Clarence Mitchell who is the spokesman for the McCann family. In a video interview published on Internet by Sky News, Mr. Mitchell said that he seriously questioned the real purpose behind the premature public announcement and those responsible for the authorization.

The complicity of the Portuguese police in crimes against humanity

Beside those who for reasons of their own agree and support the Portuguese police version of what happened to Madeleine McCann the night she vanished, or those who even think that child abduction is acceptable, no one with normal common sense and decency will believe that all fatal blunders the Portuguese police made almost immediately after it was discovered that the child was missing, were merely the result of their sincere "incompetence." The results of the reckless Portuguese police performance were too obvious to conclude that they did not know what they were doing, that they are really incompetent, or are too stupid to have known better. None of these apply to the present case. Even in the most ignorant and backward Third World country, the local police know that an elementary procedure is to seal off the scene of the crime immediately in order to preserve evidence, as this is an important step towards the possible solution of a crime. Portugal is not geographically a Third World country but what is even worse, it is socially and "culturally" medieval with an idiosyncrasy prone to preserve traditions that were instilled at the historical time of its creation as a nation. Pedophilia is a serious business in Portugal and by extension, in Spain also as a result of their great "cultural" similarities. It is not by mere coincidence that Spain is the second largest consumer of child pornography in the world after the United States which is number one. The complicity of the Portuguese police to cover up the well-planned abduction of Madeleine McCann by pretending "incompetence" obeys to principles associated with their traditions, and within this context, all officialdom members will collaborate doing each one its own individual part aimed at preventing the truth from being discovered. This writer has stated before and will stated again that the answers to the still unanswered questions surrounding everything related to the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, are within the Portuguese police structures who very probably elaborated the abduction plan on behalf of perverted individuals in the powers that be. Goncalo Amaral responsible for the "investigation" that never was and Paulo Cristovao are two key elements withholding the truth, as they are very likely to be part of the whole plan; the heart is telling me that these individuals know who abducted Madeleine, for what real purpose, where was she taken, and where she may be now even after more than one year since she disappeared. The heart is the voice of the human spirit that never fails or lies. The fairy tales by Amaral and Cristovao that "Madeleine is dead" and that "her body was dumped into the sea and is gone forever" are dissuasive tactics to create a sense of conformity into accepting the tragedy. Amaral and Cristovao are nothing but criminal thugs backed and legitimized by the Portuguese officialdom subordinated to the powerful and satanic elite who is ultimately responsible for the commission of the heinous crime. The McCanns are very devoted to their religious believes, are highly intelligent professionals with higher education, and law-abiding decent citizens as they have demonstrated throughout the living hell they are going through. People with these characteristics are unlikely to resort to extra judicial methods to obtain real justice and is the main reason why they suffer as they do, as a result of deeds perpetrated by some on behalf of those who are responsible for the existence of evil. An intensive investigation is being conducted by professionals, but in the opinion of this writer, the case falls into the category of those where extra judicial action appears to be necessary in order to find and expose the truth. The McCanns are not likely to resort to anything that is not within legal boundaries. This, however, is not the case with some individuals including this writer. If it were my daughter the victim with all the characteristics of the present case, I would call on our group to go capture Amaral and take him to a place where we would extract the truth from him by any means necessary. We would make sure he spilled his guts. Amaral and Cristovao are both torturers of defenseless women to obtain a criminal conviction to cover up another abduction and should get a taste of their own tactics inflicted upon others. They are part of and represent the Portuguese officialdom that is controlled by a powerful and satanic elite oligarchy on behalf of whom they are covering up child abductions. We as common people should think of these men and others like them, as true monsters living amongst us unobtrusively while lurking as authentic evil predators, seeking personal gain at our expense by kidnapping our children on behalf of the devil. They and others like them are our enemies and should be dealt with accordingly. Children represent the future of humanity and what is being done to them is a monstrous crime against humanity. This should be a sufficient reason for all of us to unite as people to save our children from evil since none of the institutions that make up the present system exist to serve and protect us. All sections that are part of the government organization --including the police and the judiciary-- are watched and controlled by people who represent the interests of a satanic elite cabal, whose perverted life styles and agenda for the implementation of their one world government, includes kidnapping our children for multiple evil and destructive purposes. We simply must not allow these humanoid-reptilians to get away with their horrible crimes against our children and humanity. The numbers of abducted children are staggering and there are reasons to believe that this heinous criminal activity will continue. How can we stop them? By organizing for one common cause which will be the protection of our children and humanity. If we do not unite we will not be able to survive their diabolical plan designed to either kill or enslave us.

The official lifting of the suspect ["arguido"] status that was lodged against Gerald and Kate McCann exculpating them of any involvement in the abduction of their daughter plus the documentation that came with it, has been producing information related to gross negligence and callous indiference by the Portuguese police in handling the case. There are many media reports featuring different types of information in line with the tendency to think that "something" is not clear regarding the reckless performance of the Portuguese police in the case. For example, the Daily Mail published an article by Jan Moir dated August 8, 2008 on the attitude of the Portuguese police towards a letter from Kate McCann to the police director in which she asked for information on how the investigation was progressing, seven months after her daughter was abducted. No reply to the letter was received by the sender, only a brief note months later stating that her letter was filed. "I suppose we should be grateful that the wretches didn't just bin it along with any real hope of ever finding Madeleine and the person(s) who snatched her," wrote the author of the article. Near the end of the report Ms. Moir wrote that "something darker and more inexplicable lurks in the shadows of this awful case..." This is only one brief example of how people are starting to see and understand that the depth of the case is much bigger than previously thought, before one can get to the bottom in order to find out the real truth on the abduction of Madeleine McCann in Portugal.
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MONDAY, JULY 28, 2008
The kidnapping of Madeleine McCann is linked to the Portuguese officialdom

The satanic Illuminati, heinous child abduction, and the cover up of crimes against humanity by their subordinates

"Whenever the establishment wants to cover up a crime or hide the real power behind it watch for police incompetence. You see it over-and-over not least in the case of Madeleine McCann, which has the hallmark of a professional kidnap to order..."

The above statement was made by author David Icke who wrote an article on the subject of organized child abduction and the role of the officialdom in covering up monstrous crimes against humanity on behalf of the elite as their sponsors. The article was published at www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/35.htm If the subject of organized child abduction and who is really behind it is of interest to you, it is suggested that you read the article written by David Icke. His website address is www.davidicke.com

The complicity of the controlled media in crimes against humanity

The large amount of media coverage on the case of Madeleine McCann, has contribute to raise consciousness on a heinous criminal activity that has been going on for decades without the elite-controlled mass media informing the public on the destructive magnitude of these extremely evil crimes against humanity. The complaisant role of complicity by the elite-controlled media, has been and continuous to be denying that child abduction has reached a massive scale that has produced epidemic proportions, and destruction of the victim's life and their families. Due to the successful media coverage, the case of Madeleine McCann has become the flagship (more-or-less) of victims by organized child abduction and vanishing which is promoted, abetted, financed, encouraged and more, by a satanic and perverted rich and powerful elite class controlling entire government affecting thereby all aspects of life for common people in society. If it were not for Internet websites containing non-conventional information on who is truly behind child abduction, we would not have the information that we have now on the subject. The elite-controlled media has not and will not go into depth to analyze in great detail all the intrinsic components related to child abduction, because that would be considered as an act of disobedience or "dissidence" to the evil and perverted status quo established by the elite to whom they are unconditionally subordinated. It can be dangerous to challenge the elite anywhere, particularly in countries where Zionist and masonic Illuminati descendants have a strong presence. Those who disobeyed them or turned against their satanic and perverted status quo --including John F. Kennedy-- were murdered or died in mysterious ways no one could explain objectively and coherently. Everything they do is extremely evil and sinister. Also, most largest media corporations are owned or controlled by Zionist-Masons who represent the interest of the Illuminati elite with headquarters in the UK. The satanic Illuminati is historically deep-rooted in Germany and 1776 is the year of its creation by a mason Jew whose name was Adam Weishaupt. The role of the elite-controlled Portuguese media in the case of Madeleine McCann, is an appropriate demonstration of the methods used by the establishment when they need to cover up heinous crimes committed on behalf of a rich, powerful and perverted elite class to whom they are subordinated. Since day one, the puppet Portuguese media started an scandalous well-planned orchestrated and very insidious smearing campaign against Geary and Kate McCann, designed to sidetrack the attention from kidnapping to the murder of Madeleine by her own parents according to plans elaborated by officialdom staff, very possibly the police, as part of their strategy to get away with the crime. The obviously false smearing campaign which demonized Geary and Kate McCann as the perpetrators of the supposed crime, served to reinforce the subsequent declaration of them being suspects ["arguidos"]

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 02:36:PM
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on the false version death of their daughter, all without a shred of evidence. In reality this was done to buy time so that the abduction of Madeleine would be become settle according to plans. Moreover, throughout the whole "investigation" process the elite-controlled Portuguese media kept reinforcing the "murder" official version of which Goncalo Amaral was the most enthusiastic promoter. He continuous to claim that "Madeleine is dead" but without providing concrete evidence to back up his claim. He is hiding something else he knows. The most recent Portuguese media demonstration of complicity in covering up the abduction of Madeleine McCann, was an abrupt loud announcement made after the Portuguese Judiciary decided to lift the "arguido" status that was conveniently lodged against the McCanns. Even when not even Lawyers assigned to the case had received notification, officials at the Portuguese police authorized the public announcement made by one of the largest media group in Portugal. This action arouse great suspicion among the legal team working on the case and also on Clarence Mitchell who is the spokesman for the McCann family. In a video interview published on Internet by Sky News, Mr. Mitchell said that he seriously questioned the real purpose behind the premature public announcement and those responsible for the authorization.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 02:41:PM
The complicity of the Portuguese police in crimes against humanity

Beside those who for reasons of their own agree and support the Portuguese police version of what happened to Madeleine McCann the night she vanished, or those who even think that child abduction is acceptable, no one with normal common sense and decency will believe that all fatal blunders the Portuguese police made almost immediately after it was discovered that the child was missing, were merely the result of their sincere "incompetence." The results of the reckless Portuguese police performance were too obvious to conclude that they did not know what they were doing, that they are really incompetent, or are too stupid to have known better. None of these apply to the present case. Even in the most ignorant and backward Third World country, the local police know that an elementary procedure is to seal off the scene of the crime immediately in order to preserve evidence, as this is an important step towards the possible solution of a crime. Portugal is not geographically a Third World country but what is even worse, it is socially and "culturally" medieval with an idiosyncrasy prone to preserve traditions that were instilled at the historical time of its creation as a nation. Pedophilia is a serious business in Portugal and by extension, in Spain also as a result of their great "cultural" similarities. It is not by mere coincidence that Spain is the second largest consumer of child pornography in the world after the United States which is number one. The complicity of the Portuguese police to cover up the well-planned abduction of Madeleine McCann by pretending "incompetence" obeys to principles associated with their traditions, and within this context, all officialdom members will collaborate doing each one its own individual part aimed at preventing the truth from being discovered. This writer has stated before and will stated again that the answers to the still unanswered questions surrounding everything related to the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, are within the Portuguese police structures who very probably elaborated the abduction plan on behalf of perverted individuals in the powers that be. Goncalo Amaral responsible for the "investigation" that never was and Paulo Cristovao are two key elements withholding the truth, as they are very likely to be part of the whole plan; the heart is telling me that these individuals know who abducted Madeleine, for what real purpose, where was she taken, and where she may be now even after more than one year since she disappeared. The heart is the voice of the human spirit that never fails or lies. The fairy tales by Amaral and Cristovao that "Madeleine is dead" and that "her body was dumped into the sea and is gone forever" are dissuasive tactics to create a sense of conformity into accepting the tragedy. Amaral and Cristovao are nothing but criminal thugs backed and legitimized by the Portuguese officialdom subordinated to the powerful and satanic elite who is ultimately responsible for the commission of the heinous crime. The McCanns are very devoted to their religious believes, are highly intelligent professionals with higher education, and law-abiding decent citizens as they have demonstrated throughout the living hell they are going through. People with these characteristics are unlikely to resort to extra judicial methods to obtain real justice and is the main reason why they suffer as they do, as a result of deeds perpetrated by some on behalf of those who are responsible for the existence of evil. An intensive investigation is being conducted by professionals, but in the opinion of this writer, the case falls into the category of those where extra judicial action appears to be necessary in order to find and expose the truth. The McCanns are not likely to resort to anything that is not within legal boundaries. This, however, is not the case with some individuals including this writer. If it were my daughter the victim with all the characteristics of the present case, I would call on our group to go capture Amaral and take him to a place where we would extract the truth from him by any means necessary. We would make sure he spilled his guts. Amaral and Cristovao are both torturers of defenseless women to obtain a criminal conviction to cover up another abduction and should get a taste of their own tactics inflicted upon others. They are part of and represent the Portuguese officialdom that is controlled by a powerful and satanic elite oligarchy on behalf of whom they are covering up child abductions. We as common people should think of these men and others like them, as true monsters living amongst us unobtrusively while lurking as authentic evil predators, seeking personal gain at our expense by kidnapping our children on behalf of the devil. They and others like them are our enemies and should be dealt with accordingly. Children represent the future of humanity and what is being done to them is a monstrous crime against humanity. This should be a sufficient reason for all of us to unite as people to save our children from evil since none of the institutions that make up the present system exist to serve and protect us. All sections that are part of the government organization --including the police and the judiciary-- are watched and controlled by people who represent the interests of a satanic elite cabal, whose perverted life styles and agenda for the implementation of their one world government, includes kidnapping our children for multiple evil and destructive purposes. We simply must not allow these humanoid-reptilians to get away with their horrible crimes against our children and humanity. The numbers of abducted children are staggering and there are reasons to believe that this heinous criminal activity will continue. How can we stop them? By organizing for one common cause which will be the protection of our children and humanity. If we do not unite we will not be able to survive their diabolical plan designed to either kill or enslave us.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 02:43:PM
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The official lifting of the suspect ["arguido"] status that was lodged against Gerald and Kate McCann exculpating them of any involvement in the abduction of their daughter plus the documentation that came with it, has been producing information related to gross negligence and callous indiference by the Portuguese police in handling the case. There are many media reports featuring different types of information in line with the tendency to think that "something" is not clear regarding the reckless performance of the Portuguese police in the case. For example, the Daily Mail published an article by Jan Moir dated August 8, 2008 on the attitude of the Portuguese police towards a letter from Kate McCann to the police director in which she asked for information on how the investigation was progressing, seven months after her daughter was abducted. No reply to the letter was received by the sender, only a brief note months later stating that her letter was filed. "I suppose we should be grateful that the wretches didn't just bin it along with any real hope of ever finding Madeleine and the person(s) who snatched her," wrote the author of the article. Near the end of the report Ms. Moir wrote that "something darker and more inexplicable lurks in the shadows of this awful case..." This is only one brief example of how people are starting to see and understand that the depth of the case is much bigger than previously thought, before one can get to the bottom in order to find out the real truth on the abduction of Madeleine McCann in Portugal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 03:19:PM
 28, 2008
The kidnapping of Madeleine McCann is linked to the Portuguese officialdom

The satanic Illuminati, heinous child abduction, and the cover up of crimes against humanity by their subordinates

"Whenever the establishment wants to cover up a crime or hide the real power behind it watch for police incompetence. You see it over-and-over not least in the case of Madeleine McCann, which has the hallmark of a professional kidnap to order..."

The above statement was made by author David Icke who wrote an article on the subject of organized child abduction and the role of the officialdom in covering up monstrous crimes against humanity on behalf of the elite as their sponsors. The article was published at www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/35.htm If the subject of organized child abduction and who is really behind it is of interest to you, it is suggested that you read the article written by David Icke. His website address is www.davidicke.com

The complicity of the controlled media in crimes against humanity

The large amount of media coverage on the case of Madeleine McCann, has contribute to raise consciousness on a heinous criminal activity that has been going on for decades without the elite-controlled mass media informing the public on the destructive magnitude of these extremely evil crimes against humanity. The complaisant role of complicity by the elite-controlled media, has been and continuous to be denying that child abduction has reached a massive scale that has produced epidemic proportions, and destruction of the victim's life and their families. Due to the successful media coverage, the case of Madeleine McCann has become the flagship (more-or-less) of victims by organized child abduction and vanishing which is promoted, abetted, financed, encouraged and more, by a satanic and perverted rich and powerful elite class controlling entire government affecting thereby all aspects of life for common people in society. If it were not for Internet websites containing non-conventional information on who is truly behind child abduction, we would not have the information that we have now on the subject. The elite-controlled media has not and will not go into depth to analyze in great detail all the intrinsic components related to child abduction, because that would be considered as an act of disobedience or "dissidence" to the evil and perverted status quo established by the elite to whom they are unconditionally subordinated. It can be dangerous to challenge the elite anywhere, particularly in countries where Zionist and masonic Illuminati descendants have a strong presence. Those who disobeyed them or turned against their satanic and perverted status quo --including John F. Kennedy-- were murdered or died in mysterious ways no one could explain objectively and coherently. Everything they do is extremely evil and sinister. Also, most largest media corporations are owned or controlled by Zionist-Masons who represent the interest of the Illuminati elite with headquarters in the UK. The satanic Illuminati is historically deep-rooted in Germany and 1776 is the year of its creation by a mason Jew whose name was Adam Weishaupt. The role of the elite-controlled Portuguese media in the case of Madeleine McCann, is an appropriate demonstration of the methods used by the establishment when they need to cover up heinous crimes committed on behalf of a rich, powerful and perverted elite class to whom they are subordinated. Since day one, the puppet Portuguese media started an scandalous well-planned orchestrated and very insidious smearing campaign against Geary and Kate McCann, designed to sidetrack the attention from kidnapping to the murder of Madeleine by her own parents according to plans elaborated by officialdom staff, very possibly the police, as part of their strategy to get away with the crime. The obviously false smearing campaign which demonized Geary and Kate McCann as the perpetrators of the supposed crime, served to reinforce the subsequent declaration of them being suspects ["arguidos"] on the false version death of their daughter, all without a shred of evidence. In reality this was done to buy time so that the abduction of Madeleine would be become settle according to plans. Moreover, throughout the whole "investigation" process the elite-controlled Portuguese media kept reinforcing the "murder" official version of which Goncalo Amaral was the most enthusiastic promoter. He continuous to claim that "Madeleine is dead" but without providing concrete evidence to back up his claim. He is hiding something else he knows. The most recent Portuguese media demonstration of complicity in covering up the abduction of Madeleine McCann, was an abrupt loud announcement made after the corrupt Portuguese Judiciary decided to lift the "arguido" status that was conveniently lodged against the McCanns. Even when not even Lawyers assigned to the case had received notification, officials at the Portuguese police authorized the public announcement made by one of the largest media group in Portugal. This action arouse great suspicion among the legal team working on the case and also on Clarence Mitchell who is the spokesman for the McCann family. In a video interview published on Internet by Sky News, Mr. Mitchell said that he seriously questioned the real purpose behind the premature public announcement and those responsible for the authorization.

The complicity of the Portuguese police in crimes against humanity

Beside those who for reasons of their own agree and support the Portuguese police version of what happened to Madeleine McCann the night she vanished, or those who even think that child abduction is acceptable, no one with normal common sense and decency will believe that all fatal blunders the Portuguese police made almost immediately after it was discovered that the child was missing, were merely the result of their sincere "incompetence." The results of the reckless Portuguese police performance were too obvious to conclude that they did not know what they were doing, that they are really incompetent, or are too stupid to have known better. None of these apply to the present case. Even in the most ignorant and backward Third World country, the local police know that an elementary procedure is to seal off the scene of the crime immediately in order to preserve evidence, as this is an important step towards the possible solution of a crime. Portugal is not geographically a Third World country but what is even worse, it is socially and "culturally" medieval with an idiosyncrasy prone to preserve traditions that were instilled at the historical time of its creation as a nation. Pedophilia is a serious business in Portugal and by extension, in Spain also as a result of their great "cultural" similarities. It is not by mere coincidence that Spain is the second largest consumer of child pornography in the world after the United States which is number one. The complicity of the Portuguese police to cover up the well-planned abduction of Madeleine McCann by pretending "incompetence" obeys to principles associated with their traditions, and within this context, all officialdom members will collaborate doing each one its own individual part aimed at preventing the truth from being discovered. This writer has stated before and will stated again as many times as necessary, that the answers to the still unanswered questions surrounding everything related to the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, are within the corrupt Portuguese police structures who very probably elaborated the abduction plan. Moreover, ex-police Goncalo Amaral responsible for the "investigation" that never was and Paulo Cristovao are two key elements withholding the truth, as they are very likely to be part of the whole plan; these individuals know who abducted Madeleine, for what real purpose, where was she taken, and where she is now. The fairy tales by Amaral and Cristovao that "Madeleine is dead" and that "her body was dumped into the sea and is gone forever" are dissuasive tactics to create a sense of conformity into accepting the tragedy. Amaral and Cristovao are nothing but criminal thugs backed and legitimized by the Portuguese officialdom subordinated to the powerful and satanic elite who is ultimately responsible for the commission of the heinous crime. The McCanns seem to be very devoted to their religious believes, are highly intelligent professionals with higher education, and are law-abiding decent citizens as they have demonstrated throughout the living hell they are still going through. People with these characteristics are unlikely to resort to extra judicial methods to obtain real justice and is the main reason why they suffer as they do, as a result of deeds perpetrated by some on behalf of those who are responsible for the existence of evil. An intensive investigation is being conducted by professionals, but in the opinion of this writer, the case falls into the category of those where extra judicial action appears to be necessary in order to find and expose the truth. The McCanns are not likely to resort to anything that is not within legal boundaries. This, however, is not the case with some individuals, including this writer. If it were my daughter the victim with all the characteristics of the present case, I would call on our group to go capture Amaral and take him to a place where we would extract the truth from him by any means necessary. We would make sure he spilled his guts. Amaral and Cristovao are both torturers of defenseless women to obtain a criminal conviction to cover up another abduction and should get a taste of their own tactics inflicted upon others. They are part of and represent the Portuguese officialdom that is controlled by a powerful and satanic elite oligarchy on behalf of whom they are covering up child abductions within Portugal and Spain. We as common people should think of these men and others like them, as true monsters living amongst us unobtrusively while lurking as authentic evil predators, seeking personal gain at our expense by kidnapping our children on behalf of the devil. They and others like them are our enemies and should be dealt with accordingly.
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Anonymous said...
I can't help to think that this opinion is most likely to be true. Powerful writing indeed.

MARCH 15, 2010 AT 8:00 AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 03:22:PM
THURSDAY, JULY 17, 2008

Who is truly behind child abduction?

The answer to the above question is outlined in an article published at:

www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/35.html written by activist David Icke
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 06:48:PM
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2010
Unless extraordinary action is taken Madeleine McCann will not be found

The World Report Agency Intelligence Information on the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann


The title of this writing was chosen to point out at an important piece of information related to the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 in Portugal.

The intelligence report is dated September 20, 2008 and it includes information on paedophilia, child abuse, and "snuff" movies that take place regularly at different locations within Belgium under the auspices and financing by high ranking officials at the European Commission [EC] with headquarters in Brussels.  The portion of the 37-page report that focus on the case is published at www.worldreports.org under the heading "Madeleine McCann and the European Commission paedophile scandal" at page 23.  The report states in part this:

[...] "It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium.  We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements.  The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service."

At that point in the report the Editor had decided not to reveal the identity of the EC official but later that position was changed and this was added:

"Late insertion: The Editor had intended to withhold the identity of the European Commission official concerned.  However, in light of the threat and given that in these circumstances the lapse of time between the threat and exposure that must be minimised, we have been forced to reveal the name of the official concerned.  His hereby shamed name is Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission."
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 06:49:PM
The report continues by informing the reader that the paedophile and abduction ring is actually run out of the EC itself.  The report says also that "all those concerned must be aware of the consequences by further exposing this matter as it would compromise perverted politicians in the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, the UK, as well as in the corrupt European Union rotten structures."

Considering the source, the report does not appear to be something that was made up out of one's lunatic imagination and should not be ignored, in particular the confirmation by the Metropolitan Police of London. Additionally, you probably know that there are many unqualified individuals who spend time at computers writing and publishing on the Internet all sorts of material without having real knowledge of the subject, or training as professional journalists. This is one negative aspect of the Internet that can blur the credentials of those who are true professionals of non-conventional news and information based on intelligence investigation methods.

The World Reports Agency is not the average reporting source that you can find in the news published or broadcast on conventional controlled media.  In fact, the Agency works totally independent from the controlled media whose function is either distorting the truth or tell blatant lies. In contrast with this fact, the Agency's area of speciality is to collect highly sensitive knowledge supplied to them by insiders working on their behalf who leaked the information to be thoroughly processed for accuracy before making it public. What can you say about a professional investigative agency on whose intelligence advice the British government had reliance on for years? The investigation after Christopher Story's death in mysterious circumstances has revealed some aspects related to the methods used by the Agency under his leadership, and it is this information that is making the bulk of the weight with regards to the involvement behind the scenes, of those mentioned in the report as being ultimately responsible for the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Why isn't the report taken seriously by those concerned?  One possible answer to this question might be that some people probably think that Christopher Story was trying to gain notoriety, recognition, or even "stardom" status in a famous case, but none of these apply to this professional who was most likely concerned at the time with exposing the evil and corruption inside the EC than with Madeleine McCann. In fact, the report does not necessarily concentrate on her only but provides a link into the dark and terrifying evil world of the EC and by extension, the illuminati-controlled European Union corruption and wickedness at all levels.  We believe that the report by the World Reports Agency in connection with the kidnapping case of Madeleine McCann to be true.  So assuming hypothetically that the report is true and accurate, it wouldn't be too difficult to understand why so many obstacles apparently created to thwart the efforts to find the truth, popped up all the time since the beginning of this hideous and heinous ordeal in what seems to be, an attempt to cover up and protect those high-level officials directly or indirectly responsible for the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 06:52:PM
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Independent from what real progress -if any- has been or is being made by the private investigators working on the case, there are reasons to believe that unless extraordinary measures are used as tactics or methods in the search for Madeleine, the possibility of not finding her is high and real, if considering the valid theory that prominent officials are involved in her abduction while hiding behind the scenes.  This means that everything and everyone that is part of the structure that make up the system is or will be on the side of those the Agency reported as being ultimately responsible for her kidnapping and present captivity, if she is still alive. We insist that conventional methods will not work considering all the vital elements that make up the evidence on the case, including what is being denied to the private investigators by the government on the basis of being "too sensitive" to be disclosed. It doesn't take an expert to figure out why important evidence is being withheld under the guise of being "too sensitive." They are protecting the paedophiles that are overwhelmingly great in numbers in all branches of government! This is really what is important to them and not the children who are the victims of their sick perversion.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 06:57:PM

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We know there are individuals in the Portuguese officialdom and in the Portuguese prison system that could have vital information on who planned and executed the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann on orders by leaders of a criminal organisation based in Belgium, but with presence in Portugal. We don't know at this point exactly who they are but have ideas on who they might be.  What we would need to do is get hold of them and force the information out by any means necessary. This is the only way to obtain key information on who kidnapped Madeleine McCann, for what purpose, on behalf of whom, and where was she taken to after the abduction.  Conventional investigation methods are a spinning wheel that will not work in this case due to its nature, which includes a very possible connection with previous child abductions in specific areas of Portugal with similar modus operandi traits suggesting the link.

Other abduction cases

Back in 2009 we participated in a forum that supports the McCann family and came across information related to the geographical areas of Portugal where almost all child abductions took place at least since the early 1990s.  We took the information, analyze it thoroughly and verified the authenticity by consulting every newspaper where the news or information on each case was published, and after months of continuous and intensive work, we were satisfied that the information provided by the participant in the forum was true.  According to the participant, with the exception of two on the Island of Madeira, all other child abductions within Portugal took place in and around the areas of Oporto [North] and Praia da Luz [South] only.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 07:00:PM
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The list of kidnappings in the South of Portugal includes the following:

-  Rene Hasee, a boy age 6 and citizen of Germany, abducted in June 1996 while on the Amoreiras beach near-by the Atlantic Coast.
-  Joanna Cipriano, a girl age 7, abducted in 2004 in Figueira, located 7 miles from Praia da Luz.
-  Carolina Santos, a girl age 3, attempted abduction in Silves during 2006.
-  Madeleine McCann, a girl age 3, British citizen, abducted on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz.

None of the victims listed above were found which supports the theory that child abductions in Portugal are irreversible. Besides abductions there were also murders of children in Portugal for different reasons and at different times but all in the same areas of the country.  Meanwhile, the participant informed also that the City of Funchal in Madeira is known internationally as child prostitution "supermarket," where rich tourists travelling in their private yachts, very frequently stop by to "purchase" a child that may be available for sale by criminal organisations openly and with the knowledge of the police operating there. Child porn videos and "snuff" [murder] movies featuring stolen children are also made for profit at different locations within the Island.  Madeleine could have been taken to Madeira since it is believed that she was taken out the Praia da Luz area by sea.

In addition to the above, hard core paedophile Carlos "Bibi" Silvino who is well known for his role in the biggest corruption and perversion scandal in the history of contemporary Portugal known as "Casa Pia," is now serving a prison term for his crimes against hundreds of innocent children at the orphanage where he worked as caretaker. The available records show that "Bibi" was in charge of transporting children to be abused from the orphanage to luxurious homes located in districts where only rich neighbours lived; the trips where made to places within Lisbon as well as to other areas outside the Portuguese mainland, including Madeira for which the sea transport provided to carry children, was under his direct supervision and responsibility to deliver them to be abused.  Considering his criminal background as a hard core paedophile, and close association with high-ranking individuals in government, he should be a subject of interest to the investigators working on the case of Madeleine McCann. What he knows, make him a source of information regarding the location of places where kidnapped children in Portugal may be taken to according to plans. He is also very likely to know who is involved in child abduction and abuse in Portugal and their mysterious disappearance as in the case of Madeleine McCann.   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 07:02:PM
SUNDAY, JULY 25, 2010
Are Gerry and Kate McCann really controlled by the satanic illuminati?

Gerry and Kate McCann are accused of allowing the abduction of their daughter Madeleine by the illuminati

The wonder on whether or not the McCann's are controlled by the satanic illuminati and that the kidnapping of their daughter Madeleine is the result of that has been circulating in cyberspace for sometime. We have been aware of this claim but were reluctant to reach conclusions [as some people have done] on an accusation that has not been proven yet, and therefore, inappropriate to make assertions on it without any evidence. Our writing and publishing principles prohibit us from doing this.

What has motivated us to write and publish this piece now is some contents in a comment made by one reader of an article by Henry Makow published at his website entitled "Crazed MI-5 and MI-6 wreak havoc for the illuminati" that you can read at www.henrymakow.com/mi-5_and_mi-6_wreak_havoc_for.html. The comment by the reader "Chris" reads as follows:

"The parents of Madeleine McCann were part of an illuminati mind control ring themselves. They know exactly what happened to her but were powerless to stop it.  I was already aware that by allowing their daughter to be kidnapped, the McCann's were unable to avoid obeying the orders of their illuminati controllers.  I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider, paedophile, degenerate, former President of Portugal, and leader of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso.  This is one reason why the abduction of Madeleine was conveniently arranged to take place in Portugal, and the other is that the police could be relied upon to make a total botch of the 'investigation' into Maddy's disappearance since most of the senior officers as well as the great majority of government ministers, are members of the same paedophile elite ring that Barroso belongs to.  I have to confess that I was not previously aware that Maddy McCann is now dead, but I am not surprised since as long as she remained alive, there was always a risk of the truth leaking out in some way. Moreover, being now aware of the background of both Barroso and the McCann's the manner of Maddy's death in a ritual blood sacrifice to Satan also has a degree of perversion.  Finally, no informed researcher is aware of the fact that the misperceived Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling is also an illuminati member and Satanist, who is regularly called upon by the council of thirteen to don her witches garb, and to act as mistress of ceremonies whenever supreme knowledge and imperfection of the Satanic 'art' is imperative. Ms. Rowling was present at the rite in which Madeleine died and her reward offer [after Madeleine's kidnapping] was all even more sickening."

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 07:06:PM
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We do not endorse all the affirmations made by the author nor do we take his written words at face value because he fails to show with conclusive evidence that everything he wrote is true beyond doubt. However, we do identify and agree with parts of his writings related to the likely involvement in the abduction of Madeleine McCann by prominent political figures in Portuguese society, including former president Jose Manuel Barroso, and members of the officialdom occupying high positions in government and society. You may or may not know it, but the depth of official corruption and perversion prevailing in Portugal is a well-documented fact that you can verify anytime, and it is based on this fact that we concluded in June 2007 that Madeleine McCann was kidnapped on behalf of one or more individuals in the Portuguese elite class acting behind the scenes and for an specific purpose, and we still maintain this position today based on our knowledge of Portugal, and by extension, Spain too in view of their similarities.

There are two parts in the comment written by the reader of Henry Makow's article which we are in tune with.  The first one reads like this:

[…] "I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider, paedophile, degenerate, former President of Portugal, and leader of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso."

No one here can nor will attest to the author's thesis on Mr. Barroso, but we are nevertheless, entitled to think and believe whatever we want and exercise this right anywhere and anytime. We believe that Mr. Barroso is an evil, corrupt, amoral, and perverted man capable of sexually abusing a little girl. We have arrived at this belief based on the social reality of his native Portugal and on the amount of information available at websites, blogs, forums, and other non-conventional sources of knowledge regarding him personally and the European Commission [EC] which he preside at the time of this writing. There are several credible sources exposing him and the EC but the most outstanding one is the World Reports Agency [http://worldreports.org] led by renowned veteran investigative journalist Christopher Story. Mr. Story is a professional exceeding the requirements anyone would need to directly accuse Mr. Barroso of ordering the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, as he did by publishing the information on his website for the world to see. Beside high quality investigative journalism, his curriculum includes a solid background in intelligence work at the service of the British government for many years, among other outstanding credentials that place him in a position of credibility in matters of this nature.  In addition, Mr. Story has also exposed the EC in ways others are not doing [that we know of] regarding the internal hidden reality of that place he once called a "paedophile criminal organization." We agree with Mr. Story's assessment of the EC.  In numerous videos, articles, and in other forms of expression he has shed light on the sinister and chilling dark side of the EC which he once referred to as "the devil's pit" from where some of the most evil criminal plans of perversion and even murder, were conceived and carried out against innocent children. Mr. Barroso may not be the actual executioner of criminal plans but he may be involved from behind the scenes as he was in the case of Madeleine McCann according to Mr. Story. We take his investigative journalism work seriously and give a degree of credibility to his reports, but this does not mean that we blindly accept everything he writes and publishes. However, this case is exceptional for different reasons including the deep political and personal implications that arose when he publicly accused Mr. Barroso of ordering the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann.  Mr. Barroso became aware of the serious accusations made against him yet he did nothing to clear his name and position as President of the EC. His silence triggers even greater suspicions and rise more questions regarding this rather tumultuous affair.   


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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 09:24:PM
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The second part in the comment written by the reader of Henry Makow's article is also compatible with our line of thinking on this case.  It reads like this:

[…] "This is one reason why the abduction of Madeleine was conveniently arranged to take place in Portugal, and the other is that the police could be relied upon to make a total botch of the 'investigation' into Maddy's disappearance, since most of the senior officers as well as the great majority of government ministers, are members of the same paedophile elite ring that Barroso belongs to."

By now everyone following up on this case knows about the cover-up theory that Madeleine died in the room where she was sleeping and that her parents hid the corpse to avoid responsibility.  We don't know if in fact the abduction of Madeleine was "conveniently arranged to take place in Portugal" as the author asserts but do know -as well as you- that the "investigation" into her disappearance was a total farce, a fact everyone knows by now.

With regards to the paedophile affliction that Portugal suffers from at the highest level of government and society, this pathetic reality is so deeply entrenched that it has become part of the national folklore many are even "proud" of and defend with great zeal. The depth of Portugal's sickness is not easily imaginable in the English speaking world due to language and cultural differences, but people need to see it the way it really is and not only as a country with warm climate and sunny beaches.  The same applies to Spain where corruption and perversion is at core level in a society where extreme right wing gangsters are actually running the country with impunity in a two-party system. Spain and Portugal are under total illuminati control thanks in part to the legacy inherited by the historical and contemporary presence of Jews in both countries. Additionally, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, president of the Spanish government at the time of this writing is a well-known Mason and very loyal to his ideological commitments and subordinated to those in control. Mr. Zapatero and Queen Sofia de Bourbon along with other prominent figures in the country's political and social life were present at the last Bilderberg meeting held in Catalonia. These facts shed light on a reality that is kept hidden from the public, and replaced with a constant and sickening nuisance praising the monarchy as the "saviour" from the wrath of former fascist dictator Francisco Franco as a daily consumption in the Zionist controlled mass media.


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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 09:46:PM
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What we have outlined here is compatible with our idea that behind the abduction and disappearance of Madeleine McCann, are powerful individuals in the Portuguese elite class linked to the satanic illuminati now being aided and protected by a herd of morons, who became guided drones in an idiotic mission to protect the interest of a perverted and sick paedophile criminal cabal who prey on innocent children. These drones are very conscious of what they are doing and can be categorized as enemies of the common people for their support of evil, and should be dealt with very severely when the objective conditions are present. Supporting the false theory that Madeleine died in the room where she was sleeping and that her parents hid the body, plus being an active participant in a campaign to derail the search for the child, are actions favourable to those who are ultimately responsible for the crime, regardless of whether or not the abduction and disappearance of Madeleine was the result of her parents being controlled by the illuminati satanic cult, as some people assert but without showing any credible proof to support their claim.

Regarding the rest of the contents in the comment made by the reader of Henry Makow's article, including the alleged presence of Joanne Kathleen Rowling in a satanic blood ritual where Madeleine supposedly died, we apply the same conclusion as we did on the other claims and don't think additional elaborations are necessary in that and other areas of the comment.               
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 09:49:PM
SUNDAY, JANUARY 10, 2010
This earlier writing has now become credible in many Internet media sources

Did the Portuguese police kidnap Madeleine Mc Cann?

The Spanish media Internet source JM Noticias [JM News] at www.jmnoticias.com published on February 8, 2008 an article entitled in Spanish: ¿Secuestro un policia a Madeleine Mc Cann? Translation: Did a policeman kidnap Madeleine Mc Cann? According to the article, while the elite-controlled media have been publishing speculations on Madeleine's case, the author of a blog had predicted that the Portuguese police would declare Gerry and Kate Mc Cann "arguidos" [suspects] as a tactic to conceal the implication of police officers in the abduction and disappearance of Madeleine on May 3, 2007. In the blog titled "master of fate" some unusual and suspicious photographs show Gerry and Kate Mc Cann being closely watched by a policeman shortly before Madeleine vanished. The author of the blog who goes by the anonymous "Inu Yasha" assures his audience that [...] "the Portuguese police have not really being looking for Maddie because they know where she is. The police have instead dedicated to create a hostile environment against her parents so they can charge them with the dead of their daughter." Mr. "Yasha" further continuos by stating that [...] " instead of looking for the little girl since they know where she is, the Portuguese police have been preparing the terrain by working very intensively on creating a favourable public opinion with the end in mind to imprison both parents and close the case." The article inform that in his blog, the author wrote that the Portuguese police is repeating the same tricks used in an earlier and similar case in which the mother of another little girl who was also abducted and disappeared not far from Praia da Luz, was convicted without evidence after suffering great torture. "It is almost exactly to the case of Leonor Cipriano who was convicted of murdering her daughter Joanna even though there was no proof that the child had died. I believe the little girl was abducted on orders by an international paedophile organisation with presence in Portugal. As in Joanna's case the final outcome in Madeleine's will be the same," wrote the author on his blog. Mr. " Yasha" also stated that in the suspicious pictures one can see Robert Murat in the company of the police and a Negro man that was spying on Madeleine before her abduction. In fact, the Negro appears in the background of a picture looking at Madeleine while she was playing with her father and the other two children. The blog is located at http://masalladeloobvio.spaces.live.com [in Spanish].

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 09:52:PM
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In our opinion, the information featured in the JM Noticias article on the contents of the blog is neither necessarily frivolous nor unfounded. If you would look into the numerous facts and details related to the Portuguese police performance on Madeleine's case since day one, you would probably conclude that it is now a puzzle with too many pieces all scattered and deliberately being kept that way by a sinister veil of secrecy. What or who is the Portuguese police protecting? The answer to this question can only be obtained by conducting a thorough investigation of the Portuguese police itself by an outside force. All the pieces of the puzzle need to be put in place for all to see and understand the truth related to the well-planned and executed abduction of Madeleine Mc Cann. Only then will her parents get the answers to the three questions:

1) Who abducted Madeleine?
2) Why?
3) Where is she being kept against her will?

Until the above-mentioned is done the actual situation of uncertainties will continue on while Madeleine suffers in God knows what conditions...

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2019, 09:56:PM
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Conclusion

After studying some Portuguese history in contemporary times plus journalistic research on the possible connection between Madeleine's abduction, and the well-entrenched paedophilia and hard-core officialdom corruption in Portugal, we think there is a possibility that one or more member(s) of the Portuguese police were involved in the abduction. If this turns out to be the case it would not be a surprise at all. More information on related writings published here. Continuous research has produced an amount of information in different Internet media outlets pointing out to the Portuguese police involvement in the kidnapping and mysterious disappearance of the British child. Some publications even accuse the Portuguese police blatantly of her kidnapping. The Editor of this blog does not accuse anyone as some media sources are doing now, but very strongly suspect that individuals connected with the Portuguese officialdom are responsible for the crime. The characteristics surrounding the commission of the crime suggest that it was an abduction indeed but not carried out by a lone paedophile; it was a well organized criminal plan for specific purposes. We believe that time will confirm this theory.
POSTED BY ACTIVIST AT 7:57 AM 
9 COMMENTS:
Andrew Chapman said...
Christopher Story says that she was procured for Barroso. If that is not true why doesn't Barroso sue Story?

JANUARY 14, 2010 AT 12:03 PM
Anonymous said...
We sent to the team investigating the case a copy of the report published in Christopher Story's website, but apparently the information is not credible to them. They are spending whatever amount of resorces and time while going around in circles and not finding anything, while the Christopher Story report is ignored. Incredible but true!

JANUARY 24, 2010 AT 8:25 AM
Andrew Chapman said...
It is not hard to see why the report might seem incredible to them. We only know such men through the media and of course they are presented as normal and responsible people. Without some prior education in the criminal and perverse ways of the elite it would be hard to give it any credence.

A good start, especially for English people would be to read the Frankklin Cover-Up in conjunction with Yorkshire TV's Conspiracy of Silence, which backs up the overall story even though they didn't include the most evil and wicked acts that were reported in the book.

JANUARY 26, 2010 AT 11:24 AM
Truth Teller said...
Andrew Chapman:

We accept your opinion on why the investigation team would not accept the information as crdible. Individuals in the power structure of this rotten system, are presented as good and decent men not capable of doing what Christopher Story said Jose Manuel Barroso did. The perverted elite controlling the mass media, has created a mind-set that doesn't let people see beyond what they were told, and this is part of the problem. Too many common people are simply brainwashed to believe that a man like Barroso would order the kidnapping of a little girl. We will continue to believe that what Christopher Story reported is true, even if the McCanns don't believe it.

FEBRUARY 14, 2010 AT 6:56 AM
Anonymous said...
I have a link up to this article on your previous blog, but now that you have changed blogs I will link up here instead. Good work

Rosaleen

FEBRUARY 28, 2010 AT 2:59 PM
Anonymous said...
The hermetic attitude of the McCanns does not let anyone opinion with certainty, and so all we can do is express our ideas objectively and according to visible facts. Outside those who know, no one else can assure that Portuguese officials played a role in the disapperence of Madeleine, but by simple common sense and the details we all know about by now, the version related to police or other official entity involvement is a real possibility. In fact, it is almost certain...

MARCH 1, 2010 AT 8:10 AM
Anonymous said...
Child abductors usually a familiar face

While shocking in its apparent randomness and brutality, experts say the case of Victoria Stafford may be typical in one way. The woman charged with abducting the 8-year-old from Woodstock, Ont., was not a perfect stranger – rather, she was an acquaintance of her mother.

For decades, parents have warned their kids about “stranger danger.” But now child safety experts say those warnings are outdated, even misleading.

Source: RCMP's Our Missing Children website

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/child-abductors-usually-a-familiar-face/article1152460/

MARCH 4, 2010 AT 2:12 PM
Noor al Haqiqa said...
Satanists to the left, Satanists to the right, Above, Below, they steal children for their rituals and various other sicknesses.

Read Cathy O'Brien to learn of the depth of their depravity. The Jewish Talmud promotes pedophilia and a lack of compassion to non Jewish children. They are there for use including the sexual. It is all tied in together.

Our governments are now more Talmudic than ever. The American Courts are now either Catholic or Jewish. Our legal system is almost entirely Talmudic but the people do not see or know this. There will be no answers ever for the Maddy's and Jon Benet's of this world.

JonBenet was ritually murdered. Just look at the coroner's and police photos. She was being tortured and trained for these awful people. Maddy? That is why she was taken also.

It happens all the time but rarely is there media like for Maddy. I do know that these rotten people have "servants" who will get them a child to fit any description. They do not like theft because there is so much publicity, normally they will use Social Services to get the child under some stupid ruse or another.

In a case like Maddy's where the perpetrators have access to media, there will be so much confusing information released, no one will be able to get at the truth unless by fluke. Look at the case of Johnny Gosch or the boys of the Franklin Cover Up.

http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/07/beyond-heartless-soulless-stealing.html

There is an excellent film here to watch.

BEYOND THE DUTROUX AFFAIR. It actually shows the faces and names of the elite behind child perversion and satanism in this particular case.

They consider themselves untouchable, above the law.

They forget that God has laws too. As do all decent folk on the planet.

JULY 18, 2010 AT 10:28 AM
Noor al Haqiqa said...
I just wrote you a good note on this subject and it was not accepted. I am not happy for I included much data and cannot redo it.

Please read my post BEYOND HEARTLESS, SOULLESS, STEALING CHILDREN FOR THE STATE.

http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/07/beyond-heartless-soulless-stealing.html

The film at the bottom, Beyond the Detroux Affair might be of interest to show just who and what decent people are up against.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 05, 2019, 07:15:PM
MADELEINE was in the wrong place at the wrong time as the case may be, but what if she was taken to the right place,  at the right time by her parents?

Relevant period, from 30th April until the 13th May 2007...

Madeleine's date of birth was 12th May 2003

Did she get taken on the 30th April 2007, to be a human sacrifice in a Satanic ritual?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 06:10:AM
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2010
Unless extraordinary action is taken Madeleine McCann will not be found

The World Report Agency Intelligence Information on the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann


The title of this writing was chosen to point out at an important piece of information related to the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 in Portugal.

The intelligence report is dated September 20, 2008 and it includes information on paedophilia, child abuse, and "snuff" movies that take place regularly at different locations within Belgium under the auspices and financing by high ranking officials at the European Commission [EC] with headquarters in Brussels.  The portion of the 37-page report that focus on the case is published at www.worldreports.org under the heading "Madeleine McCann and the European Commission paedophile scandal" at page 23.  The report states in part this:

[...] "It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium.  We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements.  The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service."

At that point in the report the Editor had decided not to reveal the identity of the EC official but later that position was changed and this was added:

"Late insertion: The Editor had intended to withhold the identity of the European Commission official concerned.  However, in light of the threat and given that in these circumstances the lapse of time between the threat and exposure that must be minimised, we have been forced to reveal the name of the official concerned.  His hereby shamed name is Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission."

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 06:15:AM

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The report continues by informing the reader that the paedophile and abduction ring is actually run out of the EC itself.  The report says also that "all those concerned must be aware of the consequences by further exposing this matter as it would compromise perverted politicians in the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, the UK, as well as in the corrupt European Union rotten structures."

Considering the source, the report does not appear to be something that was made up out of one's lunatic imagination and should not be ignored, in particular the confirmation by the Metropolitan Police of London. Additionally, you probably know that there are many unqualified individuals who spend time at computers writing and publishing on the Internet all sorts of material without having real knowledge of the subject, or training as professional journalists. This is one negative aspect of the Internet that can blur the credentials of those who are true professionals of non-conventional news and information based on intelligence investigation methods.

The World Reports Agency is not the average reporting source that you can find in the news published or broadcast on conventional controlled media.  In fact, the Agency works totally independent from the controlled media whose function is either distorting the truth or tell blatant lies. In contrast with this fact, the Agency's area of speciality is to collect highly sensitive knowledge supplied to them by insiders working on their behalf who leaked the information to be thoroughly processed for accuracy before making it public. What can you say about a professional investigative agency on whose intelligence advice the British government had reliance on for years? The investigation after Christopher Story's death in mysterious circumstances has revealed some aspects related to the methods used by the Agency under his leadership, and it is this information that is making the bulk of the weight with regards to the involvement behind the scenes, of those mentioned in the report as being ultimately responsible for the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Why isn't the report taken seriously by those concerned?  One possible answer to this question might be that some people probably think that Christopher Story was trying to gain notoriety, recognition, or even "stardom" status in a famous case, but none of these apply to this professional who was most likely concerned at the time with exposing the evil and corruption inside the EC than with Madeleine McCann. In fact, the report does not necessarily concentrate on her only but provides a link into the dark and terrifying evil world of the EC and by extension, the illuminati-controlled European Union corruption and wickedness at all levels.  We believe that the report by the World Reports Agency in connection with the kidnapping case of Madeleine McCann to be true.  So assuming hypothetically that the report is true and accurate, it wouldn't be too difficult to understand why so many obstacles apparently created to thwart the efforts to find the truth, popped up all the time since the beginning of this hideous and heinous ordeal in what seems to be, an attempt to cover up and protect those high-level officials directly or indirectly responsible for the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 06:20:AM


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Independent from what real progress -if any- has been or is being made by the private investigators working on the case, there are reasons to believe that unless extraordinary measures are used as tactics or methods in the search for Madeleine, the possibility of not finding her is high and real, if considering the valid theory that prominent officials are involved in her abduction while hiding behind the scenes.  This means that everything and everyone that is part of the structure that make up the system is or will be on the side of those the Agency reported as being ultimately responsible for her kidnapping and present captivity, if she is still alive. We insist that conventional methods will not work considering all the vital elements that make up the evidence on the case, including what is being denied to the private investigators by the government on the basis of being "too sensitive" to be disclosed. It doesn't take an expert to figure out why important evidence is being withheld under the guise of being "too sensitive." They are protecting the paedophiles that are overwhelmingly great in numbers in all branches of government! This is really what is important to them and not the children who are the victims of their sick perversion.

We know there are individuals in the Portuguese officialdom and in the Portuguese prison system that could have vital information on who planned and executed the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann on orders by leaders of a criminal organisation based in Belgium, but with presence in Portugal. We don't know at this point exactly who they are but have ideas on who they might be.  What we would need to do is get hold of them and force the information out by any means necessary. This is the only way to obtain key information on who kidnapped Madeleine McCann, for what purpose, on behalf of whom, and where was she taken to after the abduction.  Conventional investigation methods are a spinning wheel that will not work in this case due to its nature, which includes a very possible connection with previous child abductions in specific areas of Portugal with similar modus operandi traits suggesting the link.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 06:23:AM
It will be virtually impossible to control the whims and practices of the Satanic Elite...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 06:31:AM
It will be virtually impossible to control the whims and practices of the Satanic Elite...

What we are dealing with is the certainty that we are heading for the acceptance by the general public of a new World Order...

The public at large are being brainwashed..

Brexit by the UK from EU is part of that process..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 10:53:AM
The McCann parents and some of the other Tapas group members, and characters who historically at one time or another appeared in the PJ investigation, are all members of the same Satanic Cult / mob..

Peadophillia, abduction, abuse and child sacrifice are included in their agenda..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 02:07:PM
The McCann parents and some of the other Tapas group members, and characters who historically at one time or another appeared in the PJ investigation, are all members of the same Satanic Cult / mob..

Peadophillia, abduction, abuse and child sacrifice are included in their agenda..

None of these despicable monsters will ever spill the beans...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 02:11:PM
The parents, and their friends,the police, government, and all group members of these satanic cults all know the full circumstances of Madeleine McCann's demise (allegedly, and as per evening 3rd May 2007)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 02:32:PM
The parents, and their friends,the police, government, and all group members of these satanic cults all know the full circumstances of Madeleine McCann's demise (allegedly, and as per evening 3rd May 2007)..

I strongly now suspect that the Portuguese authorities (police and government) are inextricably linked in child abduction, and that they (or some of them) are demonic sacrifice offenders. Furthermore, and that the McCann parents, together with other members of the so called Tapas 9 group, have acted as members, or guests of this despicable satanic elite movement..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 02:44:PM
I was initially puzzled by Scotland yards handling of this investigation -  'Operation Grange'  which seeks not to implicate the McCann Parents in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of their 3, almost 4 year old daughter. But now I understand the true situation...

The McCann parents were deceived by the tribe they volunteered to become part of...

'Symbolic sacrifice', this is what they were led to believe,  but matters got out of hand -  someone or some people in the chain of command decided to take matters into their own hands...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 02:53:PM
I was initially puzzled by Scotland yards handling of this investigation -  'Operation Grange'  which seeks not to implicate the McCann Parents in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of their 3, almost 4 year old daughter. But now I understand the true situation...

The McCann parents were deceived by the tribe they volunteered to become part of...

'Symbolic sacrifice', this is what they were led to believe,  but matters got out of hand -  someone or some people in the chain of command decided to take matters into their own hands...

Madeleine McCann is either still alive, or she was a human sacrifice carried out on either her birthday (12th May) or the following day.

Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, the Carpenter couple, and other Tapas 9 group members, the Goddard couple, and some staff at the Ocean Club are deeply involved in this abduction..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 03:19:PM
A deeper insight to appear here, later from this evening onwards..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 11:16:PM
http://www.pawdose.com/mom-gives-porcupine-some-corn/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 06, 2019, 11:50:PM
A deeper insight to appear here, later from this evening onwards..

Over to You...

['FACT(s) is (are) stranger than fiction'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 12:07:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 12:11:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 12:43:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 01:17:PM
http://www.pawdose.com/mom-gives-porcupine-some-corn/

Here's another :-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cILZ_cB3_so#
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 01:24:PM
Here's another :-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cILZ_cB3_so#

And, another:-

http://www.pawdose.com/little-dog-brings-cat-home/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 01:28:PM
And, another:-

http://www.pawdose.com/little-dog-brings-cat-home/

And, another..

http://www.pawdose.com/dog-spots-a-squirrel-from-the-car/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 01:37:PM
And, another..

http://www.pawdose.com/dog-spots-a-squirrel-from-the-car/

And, another..

http://www.pawdose.com/his-honey-badger-kept-escaping/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 01:55:PM
THE SATANIC ELITE AND CHILD ABDUCTION

" THE WORLD IS DANGEROUS TO LIVE IN NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF EVIL, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO WON'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST IT..."

- ALBERT EINSTEIN
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 02:04:PM
 In my view, the McCann parents and other members of the so called Tapas 9 gang, have only themselves to blame for the demise of Madeleine McCann -

I am convinced that the McCann parents and other prominent members of their selective group are /were deeply entrenched in wife swapping, child abuse, and satanism...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 04:36:PM
In my view, the McCann parents and other members of the so called Tapas 9 gang, have only themselves to blame for the demise of Madeleine McCann -

I am convinced that the McCann parents and other prominent members of their selective group are /were deeply entrenched in wife swapping, child abuse, and satanism...

This enterprise was not only confined to the McCann parents and friends, but I believe it to be a world wide epidemic..

I believe that in addition to the Tapas 9 group being involved in a Satanistic pact,  that other people who seemingly have played some role or other in the investigation, such as Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, the Carpenter couple, the Goddard couple and staff at the Ocean club were and are involved in this so called disappearance, and abduction thriller. Let us also not forget about Gordon Brown, and members of the PJ and one or more (perhaps several) Scotland Yard operatives...

When the preverbiable shit hits the fan, we should all be prepared for the shockingness  of reality and the undeniable truth...

The reptilian race controls us all...

'Oh, Yeah..






Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 09:07:PM
McCann parents and others know the truth -  my personal view is that the parents knew the risk involved, and they thought by offering up Madeleine it would secure their membership in the world of the false truth seekers...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 09:09:PM
It is still in the balance
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 07, 2019, 09:14:PM
It is still in the balance

You could be forgiven for trying to figure anything out. You can
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 13, 2019, 09:56:PM
Stephanie Harlowe: Mystery Monday. https://youtu.be/u0iQuIUhTGI
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 13, 2019, 11:11:PM
Find her, and let's bring this nonsense to an end..

https://youtu.be/vpDG0k7XD8U


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 14, 2019, 07:49:PM
You tube link - https://youtu.be/vpDG0k7XD8U

Project incomplete..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2019, 11:09:AM
It is now indisputable...

 Kate McCann told an interpreter that Madeleine was dead and that her body would be found inside a drainage pipe, at the tourist viewpoint, near the village church...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2019, 05:26:PM
It is now indisputable...

 Kate McCann told an interpreter that Madeleine was dead and that her body would be found inside a drainage pipe, at the tourist viewpoint, near the village church...

In actual fact, this information was misreported , and it got turned into 'Kate told the interpreter that Madeleine was dead, and that her body could /would be found on a hill'...

But it was the /this Coastal viewpoint drain that she was specifically referring to:-

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2019, 07:21:PM
Ask yourselves, about all the tunnels, grates and manholes there are between the McCann apartment and the drainage tunnel at the tourist viewpoint?

More relevant the vertical drains on the ocean side of the back garden wall of the derelict building was the original concealment place where they hid Madeleine's body. Kate knew this, but she was not told by Gerald that the remains had been removed and buried in the grounds of the derelict building, hence why she told an interpreter that Madeleine's  body could be found in the drainage portal at the tourist viewpoint which got reported as if Kate had mentioned that her daughters body had been disposed of on a nearby hill (anywhere above the drainage portal at the tourist viewpoint is on a hill)...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 15, 2019, 07:33:PM
Ask yourselves, about all the tunnels, grates and manholes there are between the McCann apartment and the drainage tunnel at the tourist viewpoint?

More relevant the vertical drains on the ocean side of the back garden wall of the derelict building was the original concealment place where they hid Madeleine's body. Kate knew this, but she was not told by Gerald that the remains had been removed and buried in the grounds of the derelict building, hence why she told an interpreter that Madeleine's  body could be found in the drainage portal at the tourist viewpoint which got reported as if Kate had mentioned that her daughters body had been disposed of on a nearby hill (anywhere above the drainage portal at the tourist viewpoint is on a hill)...
Where is this account documented?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on October 16, 2019, 11:59:AM
I thought that was said by a clairvoyant who then went on said journey to the area, a mound, where she'd said that Madeleine had been taken to ? It didn't come to anything as I recall. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2019, 05:49:PM
I thought that was said by a clairvoyant who then went on said journey to the area, a mound, where she'd said that Madeleine had been taken to ? It didn't come to anything as I recall.

Hi,  Lookout...

She telephoned the interpreter in question, whilst her husband was away...

At this time, and on this occasion she conceded that Madeleine was in fact dead, and that her body could be found inside the drainage pipe close to the tourist viewpoint on the coastline beyond the church where she and Gerald sought refuge in a bid to avoid harassment from the various elements of the media..

When Gerald returned to Portugal, he found out that Kate had leaked information to an interpreter (who I believe was none other than Robert Murat) 1997 that Madeleine's body was concealed in the village drainage system. At some point after this, the Gerald and an accomplice removed Madeleine's remains from the vertical drain, and buried her remains in the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building (Kate knew nothing of this)..

Robert Murat was in fact party to the truth regarding what had indeed happened to Madeleine McCann. He was in the UK when Madeleine died, but he flew out to Portugal to help with the disposal of the body arrangements and dealings with the Portuguese police involving the McCann parents. How strange that Robert Murat only sought to interpret for the McCann parents, together but not any of the other Tapas 7 members..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 16, 2019, 06:08:PM
Based on the involvement of Robert Murat in proceedings from 2nd May 2007 onwards, it tends to support the fact that by the 2nd May 2007 Madeleine was already dead at and by that stage, or even sooner. The disappearance of Madeleine McCann on the evening of 3rd May 2007 in line with the parents script is and was false. It (whatever happened) did not happen on that date...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 17, 2019, 07:38:PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2323572664432270&id=100003386766347&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 17, 2019, 11:26:PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2323572664432270&id=100003386766347&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i

Oh, yeah..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 17, 2019, 11:36:PM
How come other people knew that Madeleine McCann had gone missing by about 9.15pm and Kate be held accountable for first raising the fact that Madeleine was gone and was missing some 45 minutes or so, beforehand?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 18, 2019, 01:45:AM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2323572664432270&id=100003386766347&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i

Reindeers are innocent, campaign...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 18, 2019, 02:37:AM
 (1) Chaplins Bar, (2) St Vincents Church, and (3) the derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores)...

McCann parents visited (1) Chaplins Bar evening of 1st May 2007. McCann parents sought refuge inside (2) St Vincents Church throughout the night on pretense that they did so to avoid the media. (3) Shallow grave discovered in the rear garden of the derelict building ( 5 Ave Dos Pescadores) which once was a Bank...
the burial
(http://)

All three premises are visible in said photograph...

(1) Last Supper, (2) the child sex abuse church scandal, and (3) the sacrificial offering , buried within sight of hallowed ground...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 18, 2019, 03:51:AM
In the previous image from left to right as viewed, the derelict building, then the village church, and to the right of the church is Chaplins bar..

Images courtesy of Google earth (2019)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 11:36:AM
The McCann couple were definitely at Chaplins bar (near the village church and the derelict building, on the evening of Monday the 1st May 2007, from about 10pm, until after midnight)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 11:40:AM
The McCann couple were definitely at Chaplins bar (near the village church and the derelict building, on the evening of Monday the 1st May 2007, from about 10pm, until after midnight)..

This event, is at the centre regarding what really took place in the Madeleine McCann  mystery..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 11:43:AM
Chaplins bar - evening of Monday the 1st May 2007, during the period between 10pm and until just after midnight on the following morning (2nd May 2007)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 11:47:AM
Chaplins bar - evening of Monday the 1st May 2007, during the period between 10pm and until just after midnight on the following morning (2nd May 2007)..

The McCann parents, together with Russell O'Brien Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield his wife, and David Payne, were there in secret. At this time Madeleine McCann was running out of her living years experience (it is my belief that during the early hours of Tuesday morning the 2nd May 2007 that by one means or another, she was killed or that she had in fact died in apartment 5A of the Ocean club enterprise..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 11:58:AM
The McCann parents, together with Russell O'Brien Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield his wife, and David Payne, were there in secret. At this time Madeleine McCann was running out of her living years experience (it is my belief that during the early hours of Tuesday morning the 2nd May 2007 that by one means or another, she was killed or that she had in fact died in apartment 5A of the Ocean club enterprise..

From discreet enquiries that I made in June 2010 in Portugal, I found out through general conversation with customers in Chaplins bar that this is the place where activities of sexual child abuse were and are, in fact negotiated.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 12:16:PM
From discreet enquiries that I made in June 2010 in Portugal, I found out through general conversation with customers in Chaplins bar that this is the place where activities of sexual child abuse were and are, in fact negotiated.

What I was also told was that members of the church, and other people in local / national authority, were that such people had influence in what turned out to be an unnatural event. Madeleine McCann almost certainly died in apartment 5A, by the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007,  when Madeleine was supposedly 'abducted'   she had already been dead about the time the body was moved out from the apartment and therefore, the fact that her body was at a particular point of time, removed from the McCann apartment, could not be spoken about in terms of an 'abduction'  having occurred, and to respond with that in mind...

You cannot abduct a deceased body..

Madeleine McCann was not abducted from apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007 by anyone. She in fact was already deceased by that stage...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 04:40:PM

You cannot abduct a deceased body..

Madeleine McCann was not abducted from apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007 by anyone. She in fact was already deceased by that stage...

A deceased person has no legal rights because they do not exist..

Operation 'Grange', therefore, is basically an abuse of process
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 04:45:PM
A deceased person has no legal rights because they do not exist..

Operation 'Grange', therefore, is basically an abuse of process

There is no evidence to prove, and support, or to establish that at the time Madeleines body left apartment 5A for the very last time that she was alive. However, and some evidence exists to strongly suggest that this little innocent child came to some sort of harm, prior to whoever it was got rid of her body out of the McCann apartment..

Madeleine's  body had received some sort of an injury inside the McCann apartment which caused her to bleed onto the floor behind the sofa in the lounge of the McCann apartment. After this, somebody concealed Madeleine's body in a wardrobe of the parents bedroom. Then after these two events / incidents, somebody moved Madeleine’s body outside below the patio door veranda and concealed her body in bushes in the garden between the patio door side of the premises and the alleyway on the poolside of the apartment. Thereafter, somebody shifted Madeleine's body from the bushes of the McCann apartment on the poolside of the premises -  all of this could not have occurred without either the McCann parents, or Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner knowing something about it...

David Payne knows the truth about what really happened to Madeleine McCann, and when she in fact died, and how she died, and what the McCann parents had to do, and what they did...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 05:09:PM

Madeleine's  body had received some sort of an injury inside the McCann apartment which caused her to bleed onto the floor behind the sofa in the lounge of the McCann apartment. After this, somebody concealed Madeleine's body in a wardrobe of the parents bedroom. Then after these two events / incidents, somebody moved Madeleine’s body outside below the patio door veranda and concealed her body in bushes in the garden between the patio door side of the premises and the alleyway on the poolside of the apartment. Thereafter, somebody shifted Madeleine's body from the bushes of the McCann apartment on the poolside of the premises -  all of this could not have occurred without either the McCann parents, or Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner knowing something about it...

All of these activities, aforementioned, could not possibly have occurred or happened without one or other, or some of the so called Tapas 9 group knowing something, or one or more of them, to either individually (or collectively) doing something significant to dispose of the child's body thereafter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 05:27:PM
All of these activities, aforementioned, could not possibly have occurred or happened without one or other, or some of the so called Tapas 9 group, knowing something, or one or more of them, either individually (or collectively) doing something significant to dispose of the child's body, thereafter...

The existing evidence is clear...

(1) A body which bled was behind the sofa in the lounge of the McCann apartment..

(2) A corpse was concealed inside the wardrobe of the McCann parents bedroom inside apartment 5A, then (3) a body was moved from there into bushes of the garden on the poolside of the apartment, and (4) at some point afterwards somebody 'in the know' took Madeleine's body from there, and disposed of it..

If there had been any sort or type of an abduction, then no abductee would have gone to such lengths -  they would have simply taken Madeleine's  body and 'fucked off'  as fast as possible..

This undermines the false evidence introduced by Gerald McCann, Kate McCann, Jane Tanner and Mathew Oldfield (the 'truth knowers)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 05:45:PM
Please let's also get something clear...

All the bollocks about there existing mobile phone records of all the activity in Luz around the 3rd May 2007, fails to deal with deleted calls, and or messaging by the McCann's or any of the others..

The fact that somebody deleted calls or text messages on their personal mobile phones makes no difference to official mobile phone records available to the authorities...

The authorities must know who scumbag 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 was communicating with and what was spoken about on those occasions...

The public have been / are being duped by the authorities, and take it from somebody who has / is a victim of their own corrupted practices that from their stance its all absolute nonsense and bullshit...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 05:50:PM
[quote author=mike tesko link=topic=386.msg457904#msg457904

The fact that somebody deleted calls or text messages on their personal mobile phones makes no difference to official mobile phone records available to the authorities...

The authorities must know who scumbag 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 was communicating with and what was spoken about on those occasions...

The public have been / are being duped by the authorities, and take it from somebody who has / is a victim of their own corrupted practices that from their stance its all absolute nonsense and bullshit...
[/quote]

'Geo location technology'  is not undone by a scumbag who deletes his/her history from their personal mobile phone..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 05:52:PM
[quote author=mike tesko link=topic=386.msg457904#msg457904

The fact that somebody deleted calls or text messages on their personal mobile phones makes no difference to official mobile phone records available to the authorities...

The authorities must know who scumbag 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 was communicating with and what was spoken about on those occasions...

The public have been / are being duped by the authorities, and take it from somebody who has / is a victim of their own corrupted practices that from their stance its all absolute nonsense and bullshit...


'Geo location technology'  is not undone by a scumbag who deletes his/her history from their personal mobile phone..
The various interested parties are looking into this matter with a view of 'damage limitation'

We have perverts in power,  all over the world..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 05:57:PM
The various interested parties are looking into this matter with a view of 'damage limitation'

We have perverts in power,  all over the world..

Use your own personal terms ' nonces',  'child sex abusers',  'pedophiles' or 'whatever', and it's been going on for centuries, and is still going on...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 06:01:PM
Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, and one or other of the McCann contingent, and some people in high office are desperately trying to conceal what they do best...

The truth is out there, but it's just that some of us who really do care have got to find it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 23, 2019, 11:04:PM
Madeleine McCann was dead by breakfast time on Tuesday 2nd May 2007, and the McCann contingent know this to be true..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 31, 2019, 08:21:AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489408/Madeleines-DNA-Murats-house-police-claim.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 31, 2019, 08:55:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551742/Father-of-suspects-Algarve-property-fortune.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 31, 2019, 09:03:AM
It is understood that the derelict building ( 5 Dos Le Pescadores) located across the street from the local church in Praia de Luz could be linked to the interests of Robert Murat, who was involved in the property market business in the resort (as was his father who played a key role in helping to turn a quiet fishing village (Praia de Luz) into a holiday resort...

The derelict building across the street from the Church used to be a bank,  and it may well have been owned by Robert Murats father.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 05:49:AM
Why did Kate McCann and Gerald McCann have erectile disfunction tablets belonging to Kates father on the table of the McCanns apartment - where was Kates father throughout the entire holiday jaunt to Praia de Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 05:39:PM
There are the contradictions made by Kate McCann regarding the point in her 10pm check of apartment 5A, when the bedroom curtains supposedly went 'Whooooooosh', and she saw that the bedroom window was wide open and the window shutter raised..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 05:42:PM
There are the contradictions made by Kate McCann regarding the point in her 10pm check of apartment 5A, when the bedroom curtains supposedly went 'Whooooooosh' and she saw that the bedroom window was wide open and the window shutter raised..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 05:47:PM
She ought to make her mind up about the alleged sequence of the events she is trying to make us accept...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 05:55:PM
She ought to make her mind up about the alleged sequence of the events she is trying to make us accept...

Bearing in mind that I stayed in an identical apartment (6a of block 6), to the McCann apartment (5A of block 5) when I visited the Ocean club in June 2010 - if the shutter at the bedroom window was already raised at the time Kate McCann alleges she did the 10pm check then as soon as she slid open the patio door on the poolside of the premises, the bedroom door which had been left ajar would have banged closed because of the vacuum between the open bedroom window and the open patio door..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 06:24:PM
Bearing in mind that I stayed in an identical apartment (6a of block 6), to the McCann apartment (5A of block 5) when I visited the Ocean club in June 2010 - if the shutter at the bedroom window was already raised at the time Kate McCann alleges she did the 10pm check then as soon as she slid open the patio door on the poolside of the premises, the bedroom door which had been left ajar would have banged closed because of the vacuum between the open bedroom window and the open patio door..

I know this to be true because I carried out such experiments myself using the patio door on the poolside of apartment 6A (block 6), the corresponding bedroom door, and the front door situated on the roadside of apartment 6A - basically put, I set the roadside door closed / open, and then went into the equivalent bedroom where the McCann children slept leaving that bedroom door ajar I then went to the window of that bedroom, and making sure that the curtains to the window were in the open position, and that the window itself was slid fully open, and that the window shutter was raised. At this stage the patio door had remained closed. There was no Whooosing of the bedroom curtains, or the slamming of any bedroom door..

However..

Upon me going to the patio door with a view of opening it, and as soon as I did both the front door (when it had been left ajar) on the roadside of apartment 6A, and the bedroom door which I had left open both suddenly banged closed together. I carried this test out several times, and with the same result relying on the same circumstances. what I mean by that is that depending upon whether I had left the roadside door either closed or alternatively open, and then went to open the patio door I got a different result. Since from the starting point of keeping the road side door closed and then going through the same process I found that leaving the roadside door open and not opening the sliding patio door on the poolside of apartment 6A block 6) did not make the corresponding bedroom door slam shut. On the other hand with the roadside door closed off and the opening of the patio door on the poolside of the apartment, and that did cause the bedroom door to slam shut.

What this tells me, is that whichever way Kate McCann describes the banging of the bedroom door occurring or having occurred, and the Whooosing sound of the curtains at the bedroom window of apartment 5A (block 5) and her then discovering that the glass window had been slid open, and the shutter on the outside of that window fully raised, then she could not have entered apartment 5A as she claims without the bedroom door slamming closed.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 06:39:PM
What this tells me, is that whichever way Kate McCann describes the banging of the bedroom door occurring or having occurred, and the Whooosing sound of the curtains at the bedroom window of apartment 5A (block 5) and her then discovering that the glass window had been slid open, and the shutter on the outside of that window fully raised, then she could not have entered apartment 5A as she claims without the bedroom door slamming closed.

If Kate McCann had entered apartment 5A as she claimed she had done and the bedroom door did not slam shut as soon as she slid open the patio door, it can only mean one of two things - firstly that the window shutter on the outside of the bedroom window and the window itself or the curtains to that window could not have already been opened, someone had to have opened them (curtains, window and shutter) after or during Kate McCann's check of the apartment at 10pm, or that the bedroom window curtains, the the glass window itself and the shutter of the same window were deliberately staged by the McCann's and one or more of their friends and if that be the case, it almost becomes a certainty that Madeleine had died inside apartment 5A, in some sort of an accident, or unlawful act..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 06:53:PM
Madeleine and McCann almost certainly did not die inside apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007 (its the McCann's of the and their allies who are trying to force everybody that this was the time she had vanished. Further to this, the if she died inside the family apartment, then she couldn't have been kidnapped or abducted from the same apartment, because once deceased she no longer legally had any rights or entitlement to any benefits, and or protection. She You cannot abduct or kidnap a deceased person's body. Moreover, nobody in their right mind would take the dead body of a child out of apartment 5A, unless they themselves had been responsible in some way for causing the death of such a child, in fear of the consequences..

I agree that somebody removed Madeleine's body from apartment 5A, but they did not kidnap or abduct her. Those involved did what they did with a view of trying to protect themselves from imminent prosecution as a result of being involved in her death which almost certainly happened prior to breakfast time on the morning of 2nd May 2007, or earlier..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 07:02:PM
And..

There is then of course, the matter of the missing pink blanket from Madeleine McCann's bed , and the dark coloured holdall from the wardrobe inside the parents bedroom (both items photographed insitu by the PJ from 4th May 2007) ...

Neither of these items were stolen in any sort of burglary which had gone wrong on the night in question. It is my firm belief that the pink blanket was used to wrap Madeleine McCann's body in (later on), and that the large holdall was used to carry the body from one place to another on some occasion after they were photographed insitu by the PJ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 07:29:PM

Neither of these items were stolen in any sort of burglary which had gone wrong on the night in question. It is my firm belief that the pink blanket was used to wrap Madeleine McCann's body in (later on), and that the large holdall was used to carry the body from one place to another on some occasion after they were photographed insitu by the PJ..

If this be true, then obviously the only people involved in the disposal of Madeleine McCanns body were almost certainly one or other parent, or both, and one or more of their holiday clan...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 07:40:PM
If this be true, then obviously the only people involved in the disposal of Madeleine McCanns body were almost certainly one or other parent, or both, and one or more of their holiday clan...

I don't necessarily believe that once the McCann's rented the hire car that they concealed Madeleine's remains in the boot of that car. As far as I am concerned her body remains hidden in Praia de Luz. It is highly likely /possible that parts of her remains were separated and could be buried in several different locations close to the village church..

I suspect that clothing worn by Madeleine at the time she died are the source from which the cadaver and blood hounds alerted to in the hire car. Similarly, that the same hounds reacted to items of clothing belonging to both McCann parents that these could have been contaminated when they disturbed the corpse at one time or another, and they removed clothing, and or body parts..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 07:49:PM
I would now like to return to the bone I found in the rear garden of the derelict building and located close to the church.

Here are images of it taken by me soon after its discovery..

Human or aminal bone?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 07:52:PM
I am not sure but this could be a human bone..

I arrive at this view because of the following:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 08:01:PM
Look closely at the bone I discovered, and bear in mind the clustering of perforations consistent with the the bone I found being human in origin..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 08:14:PM
Was the bone I discovered scattered the amongst the garden waste / vegetation in the rear garden of the all important derelict building a bone belonging to Madeleine McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 08:17:PM
For the purpose of being specific, I left the said bone insitu where I photographed it..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 08:21:PM
For the purpose of being specific, I left the said bone insitu where I photographed it..
As soon as I returned home to the UK, I contacted the PJ and forwarded my account and all the photographs taken by myself in the grounds of the derelict building. The Portuguese police requested that I forward all photographs taken by me in sequential order (which was /is what I Infact did). Needless to say that the bone in question would (hopefully) have been recovered by the PJ and one should think, and have it examined or analysed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 08:25:PM
All the original photographs taken by myself in Portugal are date and time stamped...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 01, 2019, 09:15:PM
The way forward, a bone was found in close proximity to the village church where the McCann parents sought refuge (minus their two surviving children) this bone could be human rather than animal, and it could be part of the remains of Madeleine McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2019, 04:06:AM
The way forward, a bone was found in close proximity to the village church where the McCann parents sought refuge (minus their two surviving children) this bone could be human rather than animal, and it could be part of the remains of Madeleine McCann..

In the same rear garden of the derelict building there exists a shallow grave. Resting on the surface close by, was a metal bar of the sort used by builders that someone used to prise stones out of the ground at the time the grave was being dug. The rear garden of this derelict building tells a story of its own, with garden waste, chopped up tree trunks, and vegetation piled high above ground. In such an environment, the the existence of the shallow grave, the metal bar and the rocks laid out as some sort of marker, suggests to me that something of great significance was / is buried there..

Whatever the shallow grave contents are, it is obvious to me that whoever dug the grave and concealed its contents therein that simply discarding it above ground like most other things in that garden, there was an obvious  intent to hide it in the ground hoping that its secret contents might never be found...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2019, 04:15:AM
Inside the derelict building, exists a pink painted bedroom with a window that looks out across the road towards the village church. At least it did have back in May 2007 when the Case of Madeleine McCann surfaced, until June 2010 when I investigated the site.

Today, however, the front windows and doorway of the derelict building have been plastered over, and grafitified..

It would be very interesting to try and find out who did this renovation work, and as well as who sanctioned such work..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2019, 05:14:AM
Inside the derelict building, exists a pink painted bedroom with a window that looks out across the road towards the village church. At least it did have back in May 2007 when the Case of Madeleine McCann surfaced, until June 2010 when I investigated the site.

Today, however, the front windows and doorway of the derelict building have been plastered over, and grafitified..

It would be very interesting to try and find out who did this renovation work, and as well as who sanctioned such work..

Is it / was it a coincidence that Madeleine's favorite colour was pink, she was supposedly wearing pink pyjamas at the time of her alleged disappearence, cuddle cat, pink sun hat, the missing pink blanket from her bed, and the ghostly image of a child's body laid in a gap between a bed mattress and the outer wall of the pink painted bedroom inside the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2019, 11:09:AM
Rest assured that by June 2010 when I stumbled upon the derelict building and the shallow grave in a hollow in its rear garden, that nobody had searched the building or the garden..

Why would anyone dig a hole in the ground inside a hollow of a garden which is strewn with piles and piles of waste, and wood, and vegetation. Something of significance is buried in that shallow grave. Is it Madeleine McCann's body, or her clothing, or her pink blanket, or a few parts of her internal organs? Or do the remains of other victims lay there in that place.

Did I stumble upon a derelict building and its rear garden where multiple bodies have been disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2019, 06:19:PM
'Oh what a tangled Web we weave when we first practice to deceive'  - Madeleine McCann was not abducted or kidnapped from the McCann apartment on the evening of 3rd May 2007.

Such a claim is bogus..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2019, 06:25:PM
'Oh what a tangled Web we weave when we first practice to deceive'  - Madeleine McCann was not abducted or kidnapped from the McCann apartment on the evening of 3rd May 2007.

Such a claim is bogus..
Gerald McCann did not return to the Tapas restaurant bar after his 9.05pm check of apartment 5A. He in fact, removed Madeleine’s remains from inside the wardrobe in the parents bedroom and transported it into the garden / shrubbery on the poolside of the apartment 5A and Gerald McCann was the person seen by the Smith contingent as carrying the body of a child in his arms, close to the premises of 'LuzDoc' near the sea shore / beach at around 10.00 pm... '

Afterwards ( beyond the Smith contingent group sighting of him, carrying a young girl child at about 10pm) can only lead to the conclusion that the child he was carrying at that time, was either Madeleine (his daughter),  or Mathew Oldfield's daughter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 03, 2019, 01:19:AM
Rest assured that by June 2010 when I stumbled upon the derelict building and the shallow grave in a hollow in its rear garden, that nobody had searched the building or the garden..

Why would anyone dig a hole in the ground inside a hollow of a garden which is strewn with piles and piles of waste, and wood, and vegetation. Something of significance is buried in that shallow grave. Is it Madeleine McCann's body, or her clothing, or her pink blanket, or a few parts of her internal organs? Or do the remains of other victims lay there in that place.

Did I stumble upon a derelict building and its rear garden where multiple bodies have been disposed of...

Here are some images of the rear garden and inside of the derelict building that I took on the day of my discoveries (June 2010)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 03, 2019, 03:22:PM
Gerald McCann did not return to the Tapas restaurant bar after his 9.05pm check of apartment 5A. He in fact, removed Madeleine’s remains from inside the wardrobe in the parents bedroom and transported it into the garden / shrubbery on the poolside of the apartment 5A and Gerald McCann was the person seen by the Smith contingent as carrying the body of a child in his arms, close to the premises of 'LuzDoc' near the sea shore / beach at around 10.00 pm... '

Afterwards ( beyond the Smith contingent group sighting of him, carrying a young girl child at about 10pm) can only lead to the conclusion that the child he was carrying at that time, was either Madeleine (his daughter),  or Mathew Oldfield's daughter...
Where is the derelict building in relation to the Smith sighting, how do we know Gerald knew of its existence prior to May 3 2007 and why did the sniffer dogs used by Portuguese police the following day not detect her scent there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 10, 2019, 01:57:PM
Where is the derelict building in relation to the Smith sighting,  very close by I will provide Google earth images to show this. Furthermore, the location where Sergey Malinka's car was subsequently burnt out, was in the same general area.. how do we know Gerald knew of its existence prior to May 3 2007 He would have been told about the derelict building by Robert Murat who had property sales and maintenance issues in Priai de Luz at around that time.. and why did the sniffer dogs used by Portuguese police the following day not detect her scent there? Because Madeleine's body was being carried, and not walking or running independently of another person..

The Smith sighting of Gerald McCann took place in the immediate vicinity of 'LUZDOC', and there was /is a chemist next door to the derelict building. All locations within a couple of hundred yards of one another..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 10, 2019, 07:59:PM
The Smith sighting of Gerald McCann took place in the immediate vicinity of 'LUZDOC', and there was /is a chemist next door to the derelict building. All locations within a couple of hundred yards of one another..
But wasn't this sighting by the Smiths 45 minutes-1 hour after Madeleine had been reported missing? Why was Gerry allegedly holding onto her for all that time?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 11, 2019, 10:47:AM
But wasn't this sighting by the Smiths 45 minutes-1 hour after Madeleine had been reported missing? The Smith sighting took place on the same side street where the 'LUZDOC' medical centre is located - at approximately 10pm on the 3rd May 2007. I believe that the general time of this event as referred to by Mr Smith and members of his family to be correct and true. It is the time of the discovery that Madeleine vanished / disappeared/ was taken or abducted has been manipulated. The earliest time it was known about that Madeleine was missing from the apartment was at around 9pm on that night when Mathew  Oldfield did his 9pm check, where in one of his accounts he did not enter the McCann apartment but instead only listened outside the McCann children's bedroom (steel shuttered) window at the roadside of apartment 5a. In his original version of this account he simply returned to the Tapas restaurant after this and told Kate and Gerald McCann that everything was quiet back in the McCann apartment (which caused Gerald McCann to rush back to his apartment and giving Mathew Oldfield the impression that Gerald McCann was upset and furious that he had done a check without the McCann parents knowing about it), and so off went Gerald McCann from the restaurant at about 9.05pm back to the McCann apartment. However, Mathew Oldfield gave a different account later on about that first check of his, when he said that on his 9pm check of the McCann apartment that he entered it via the patio door on the poolside of the McCann apartment, etc and that he went to the children's bedroom door and looked inside (elsewhere he claims that he did not enter the children's bedroom but that he only listened for any noise or movement at the bedroom door). But in an interview later on, he said that he went into the bedroom and saw the McCann twins in their cots but that Madeleine was was not there in her bed, and so he went to look in the parents bedroom to see if Madeleine had wandered off into there, only to find that Madeleine was in fact missing. It is worth noting that in this second account that Mathew Oldfield makes no mention about returning to the Tapas restaurant afterwards and informing the McCann parents that Madeleine was not in her bedroom, or the parents bedroom, or what one or other McCann parent did or how either reacted to being told by Mathew Oldfield that Madeleine was 'missing'. But what we do know is that Gerald McCann raced from the restuarant at 905pm and went back to the McCann apartment. This alerts me to the fact that it was Mathew Oldfield who discovered Madeleine to be missing, and not Kate McCann almost an hour later (around 10pm). I don't for one moment believe me that Gerald McCann returned to the Tapas restaurant after after he had allegedly dashed off back to the family apartment at about 9.05pm - he was the person seen by the Smith family on the street where the 'LUZDOC' medical centre is situated, and Gerald McCann was not at back at the Tapas restaurant at and until 10pm. Why was Gerry allegedly holding onto her for all that time? He wasn't holding onto Madeleine's body all that (9pm - 10pm) time, her body was inside the wardrobe where the McCann's had concealed it and he moved it temporarily to some bushes below the patio on the poolside of the apartment, before carrying it away and it resulting in him being spotted by the Smiths at around 10pm on his way down to the coastline or the beach.

I will give other details later..

LUZDOC Medical centre and the Smith sighting location
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 11, 2019, 07:06:PM
Here are the locations of specific events, involving the Smith sighting, and near the 'LUZDOC' medical centre,  Kelly's  bar, the derelict building next to St Vincents Church, and of course Chaplins bar.

Yellow Lines and X's showing locations relating to specific events embedded into this Investigation..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 11, 2019, 08:23:PM
The location of this telephone box and a person seen acting strangely beside it on a few consecutive early evenings until the night that Madeleine McCann's parents alerted her as having been taken...

This phone box is situated half way or so, between the location of the Smith contingent sighting, and Kelly's bar where the Smiths had been drinking at, minutes before hand..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 11, 2019, 09:25:PM
Just a short distance, from Kelly's  bar is the bull public house.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 11, 2019, 10:02:PM
I will give other details later..

LUZDOC Medical centre and the Smith sighting location

Gerald McCann could not have been carring Madeleine's body in the vicinity of 'LUZDOC' medical centre at the time of the Smith contingent sighting at 10pm, and also be back at the Tapas restaurant at the same time (he could not possibly have been in two different locations at the same time). In pursuance of trying to determine which truth is the real truth I have the following to say:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 11, 2019, 10:36:PM
Gerald McCann could not have been carring Madeleine's body in the vicinity of 'LUZDOC' medical centre at the time of the Smith contingent sighting at 10pm, and also be back at the Tapas restaurant at the same time (he could not possibly have been in two different locations at the same time). In pursuance of trying to determine which truth is the real truth I have the following to say:-

According to Mathew Oldfield and in one of his versions relating to his so called 9pm check of the McCann apartment it was he that raised the alarm that Madeleine McCann was not in her bed, she was not in the children's bedroom or anywhere at all including her parents bedroom because he had searched the McCann apartment before returning to the Tapas restaurant to alert to everyone that Madeleine was gone. There are no accounts of how he made his way from the McCann apartment and what his demeanour was when he returned to the Tapas restaurant just before 9.05pm (the time that Gerald McCann rushed back to apartment 5A in a bad mood) What we are being asked to believe is that Gerald McCann was upset that Mathew Oldfield had checked the McCann apartment at around 9pm without the McCann parents knowledge. As I say, the I do not believe that Gerald McCann returned to the Tapas bar restaurant after his 9.05pm check had been completed by 9.10pm which coincided with the departure of Jane Tanner from the restaurant and which created the opportunity for her to provide an alibi for Gerald McCann by saying that as soon as she had left the Tapas bar area at 9.10pm, how she had seen Gerald McCann talking at the roads edge talking to a male friend. Whereas McCann and his friend had no recollection of seeing Jane Tanner on the relevant matter...

I believe that Gerald McCann did not thereafter go back to the Tapas restaurant and be there at the time Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restuarant at 9.30pm to do checks of their own apartments, and the McCann apartment. If Gerald McCann had been upset that Oldfield had done a 9pm check of the McCann apartment, etc I can't see McCann allowing Oldfield to do the 9.30pm check in Kate McCanns turn...

A company executive overhead a commotion at one of the tables in the vicinity of the Tapas terrace at about 9.15pm, to the effect that a couple knew Madeleine McCann was missing 15 minutes or so before Mathew Oldfield got to his feet at 9.30pm to do a 2nd (further) check of the McCann apartment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2019, 02:43:PM


I believe that Gerald McCann did not thereafter go back to the Tapas restaurant and be there at the time Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restuarant at 9.30pm to do checks of their own apartments, and the McCann apartment. If Gerald McCann had been upset that Oldfield had done a 9pm check of the McCann apartment, etc I can't see McCann allowing Oldfield to do the 9.30pm check on Kate McCanns turn...

I am as certain as I can be that Gerald McCann was not back at the Tapas bar restaurant when Kate McCann rose to go and do her 9.30pm check of her children inside apartment 5A. Also that when Kate eventually and supposedly got up from the Tapas bar Restaurant at around 10pm, that her husband (Gerald) was not present in there. It should be obvious to everyone by now, that the claim by Kate McCann concerning her discovering that Madeleine was missing at her 10 O'clock check, has to be a faked account. This is because she must have been made aware by Mathew Oldfield upon his return from his 9 O'clock check of the McCann apartment when he entered the apartment on that occasion and discovered Madeleine wasn't in her bed, and nor was she present in the McCann parents bedroom, and or anywhere else in the apartment. From there Oldfield had returned to the Tapas bar restaurant and alerted the McCann couple that Madeleine wasn't anywhere at all back in their apartment. Gerald McCann must have been concerned that Mathew Oldfield had entered the McCann apartment and been into the children's bedroom and also the McCann parents bedroom without their knowledge or permission. By that stage Mathew Oldfield already knew that Madeleine McCann was not in her bed, or her parents bed. Gerald McCann might have been worried that Mathew Oldfield had not only looked in the children's bedroom, and the parents bedroom, but also that he might have checked cupboards, wardrobes, and the sofa in the lounge, and if he had, and Madeleine's body was no longer where it had been concealed, who had taken the body from its hiding place?

But according to one of Mathew Oldfield's accounts, he hadn't looked into cupboards, or the parents bedroom wardrobe, or behind the sofa in the lounge.

In the meantime, with Gerald McCann away from the restuarant from about 9.05pm, that evening, it seems almost certain that Mathew Oldfield had also told Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner what had just happened and that Madeleine wasn't there in the McCann apartment, etc which caused Jane Tanner to leave the Tapas restaurant at about 9.10pm, concerned that Gerald McCann had been absent for a good five minutes and that this may be because he was searching for his missing daughter. When he may well have been moving Madeleine's body from its hiding place in the bedroom wardrobe, outside into the shrubbery / bushes of the front garden beneath the poolside patio belonging to apartment 5A..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2019, 03:43:PM


In the meantime, with Gerald McCann away from the restuarant from about 9.05pm, that evening, it seems almost certain that Mathew Oldfield had also told Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner what had just happened and that Madeleine wasn't there in the McCann apartment, etc which caused Jane Tanner to leave the Tapas restaurant at about 9.10pm, concerned that Gerald McCann had been absent for a good five minutes and that this may be because he was searching for his missing daughter. When he may well have been moving Madeleine's body from its hiding place in the bedroom wardrobe, outside into the shrubbery / bushes of the front garden beneath the poolside patio belonging to apartment 5A..

Jane Tanners account upon leaving the Tapas bar at around 9.10pm, was that as she exited the small reception of the Warner complex, she saw Gerald McCann and a male friend of his, a person with the Christian name 'Jez'  who were stood chatting to each other on the nearside pavement Close to a footpath which ran along the front edge of the apartment blocks (outside block 5 of the apartments) On the other side of this footpath was the Warner complex and its swimming pool. It is curiously Interesting that although Jane Tanner saw McCann and his friend 'Jez'  standing on the pavement on the nearside of the street chatting, that Gerald McCann, tells a different story, claiming that when he was talking to 'Jez',  they weren't standing on the nearside of the street, but that they were on the opposite footpath on the far side of the street (closer to block 6). Of further interest is the fact that the person 'Jez' had a pushchair with him.

On the Jane Tanner version of this event, Gerald Mccann  and 'Jez'  (with his pushchair)  were in close proximity to the location in the shrubbery / and bushes where soon afterwards or later on blood hounds and a cadaver dog gave a positive alert that a body had been concealed there in the shrubs / bushes. In my view, this is compelling circumstantial evidence which leads me to conclude that the dog alert to an area behind the sofa, in the lounge of apartment 5A probably occurred before Madeleine’s body was hidden away out of sight inside the wardrobe of the McCann parents bedroom, and that these were locations inside apartment 5A where Madeleine McCann disappeared from, and that the discovery of cadaveric traces of a dead human body in the shrubbery / bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A by a reliance upon a trained dog alert was the last location in a sequence where the body was removed from the wardrobe where it had originally been concealed, after the body had been found behind the sofa.

Thereafter, Madeleine's body was removed from the shrubbery / bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A, and disposed of in the next sequence of the events which I shall deal with shortly...

What I would like to know, is whether or not the pushchair which 'Jez' had with him at the time of Jane Tanners version of the event unfolded, was ever forensically examined by for traces of cadaveric trace, and or Madeleine's DNA..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2019, 08:27:PM
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Thereafter, Madeleine's body was removed from the shrubbery / bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A, and disposed of in the next sequence of the events which I shall deal with shortly...
According to the an eye witness account, and independent of Mathew Oldfields alert to the McCann parents by at the very latest 9.05pm, that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann apartment 5A and Gerald McCann having dashed back to his apartment upset and annoyed about what Mathew Oldfield had done and said and an executive employee overheard a couple making a fuss about a child who had gone missing from one of the guests apartments that very evening. This happened at about 9.15pm / 9.20pm. No information regarding the identity of this mystery couple has ever been made public knowledge. yet, surely the PJ must have asked the witness who this couple were, and if he could identify them. It wouldn't have been a hard task to fathom out the identity of this couple who had the information that Madeleine McCann had gone missing only a matter of some 15 minutes after Mathew Oldfield had discovered that fact himself. If true, that Mathew Oldfield was the first person to raise concern to the McCann parents about Madeleine not being in apartment 5A by 9.05pm at the very latest, then why would Gerald McCann claim that during his 9.05pm visit did he claim that he saw Madeleine asleep in her bed, and say that that was the last time he had seen her, and mention how beautiful looking she was on that occasion?

Where could Madeleine have been hiding during Mathew Oldfields 9pm check?

And in the seconds or a minute between Mathew Oldfield leaving the McCann apartment at the completion of his 9pm check, and the return to the same apartment by Gerald McCann at 9.05pm, how could there have been sufficient time in between Oldfield leaving 5A and McCann arriving there moments later for a dead body to have been behind the sofa in the lounge of apartment 5A,  then get moved into the parents bedroom wardrobe, and from there outside into the shrubs and bushes of the front garden of the McCann apartment?

I conclude, therefore, that Gerald McCann's version of the events is faked. He knows that Madeleine McCann is dead. He did not return to the Tapas bar restuarant after his departure from there at the completion of his 9.05pm check..

Oddly enough, another holiday maker or resident claimed that at sometime during the evening that Madeleine's disappearence was alerted to, that they observed Gerald McCann searching in the very same shrubbery and bushes where police dogs later positively alerted to a prior presence of a dead corpse having temporarily been concealed there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2019, 09:12:PM
I conclude, therefore, that Gerald McCann's version of the events is faked. He knows that Madeleine McCann is dead. He did not return to the Tapas bar restuarant after his departure from there at the completion of his 9.05pm check..

Evidence gleaned from two waiters or bar staff claim that by 9.30pm, that none of the Tapas group members were present at their booked dining tables. So where had they all vanished to half an hour prior to Kate McCanns 10pm alert?

By 9.45pm everyone of the Tapas group barring a middle aged lady had not returned to their dining tables...

Where was every body?

Where was Kate McCann , where was Gerald McCann, where was Jane Tanner, where was Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield?

So, it stands to reason THAT it was known about that Madeleine was going to be reported as missing, at least 55 minutes to an hour before Kate McCann introduced her 10pm alert..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2019, 09:17:PM

Where was Kate McCann , where was Gerald McCann, where was Jane Tanner, where was Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield at 9.30pm, 9.45pm and 10pm?

It's with certain belief that Gerald McCann was not present at or in the Tapas bar restaurant at either 9.30pm, 9.45pm or rather more crucially at 10pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2019, 09:26:PM
It's with certain belief that Gerald McCann was not present at or in the Tapas bar restaurant at either 9.30pm, 9.45pm or rather more crucially at 10pm..

He was in fact, the man seen by the Smith contingent carrying off Madeleine's body in the street in the vicinity of 'LUZDOC' medical centre, Kelly's bar and the beach,  near the local church and of course Chaplins bar, and the derilect building and its grounds...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2019, 10:09:AM
He was not back at the Tapas restuarant bar after 9.05pm at any stage, and he wasn't there when Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien  left the Tapas bar to supposedly do the 9.30pm checks including supposedly checking on the McCann apartment because according to a waiter or bar man there was no-one present at the tables they had booked for their evening meal.This proceeded to be the case by 9.45pm, albeit by that time,  a solitary middle aged lady was sat at one of the aforementioned tables on duty keeping an eye on property left insitu by members of the Tapas 9 group as a result of them all dashing off back to their apartments at around and from 9.30pm...

For half an hour, between 9.30pm and 10pm, neither Kate McCann, Gerald McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner, or David Payne were not present in the Tapas restaurant, and therefore, Kate McCann could not have left there at 10pm to go and discover Madeleine. MISSING. She could not have run back to the Tapas bar to alert everybody else there that Madeleine was missing because there was no-one there for her to break the news too..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2019, 10:13:AM

For half an hour, between 9.30pm and 10pm, neither Kate McCann, Gerald McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner, or David Payne were not present in the Tapas restaurant, and therefore, Kate McCann could not have left there at 10pm to go and discover Madeleine. MISSING. She could not have run back to the Tapas bar to alert everybody else there that Madeleine was missing because there was no-one there for her to break the news too..

He could not be in two different places both at the same time - he was the person seen by the Smith family contingent in the street near to 'LUZDOC medical centre at about 10pm, until after on his way to dispose of his daughters body...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2019, 04:40:PM
He could not be in two different places both at the same time - he was the person seen by the Smith family contingent in the street near to 'LUZDOC medical centre at about 10pm, until after on his way to dispose of his daughters body...

Jane Tanner, and other group members have given Gerald McCann a false alibi by claiming that he was present in the Tapas bar restaurant at all times other than when he dashed off to do his own check of the McCann apartment at 9.05pm (returning to the Tapas restaurant at about 9.20pm), when all along he had returned to his apartment needing to move Madeleine's body which almost certainly  had been concealed in the McCann parents bedroom wardrobe. Instead of returning to the Tapas restaurant after he had done an apartment check he removed Madeleine's body and hid it temporarily amongst the shrubbery and bushes of the garden belonging to the McCann  apartment, until such time when the coast was clear and then he gathered up Madeleine's body and headed down towards the beach where enroute he subsequently had a brief encounter with the Smith contingency ..

Whilst ever it is maintained that Gerald McCann returned to the Tapas restaurant after his 9. 05pm check and he keeps maintaining that he was at the restaurant for the rest of the time that evening he could not possibly be suspected of playing any part in the mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann. How could he possibly have been involved in her disappearence when he was present at the restaurant bar with friends who have all given him an alibi

But he wasn't there, and he never returned to there, he was too busy getting Madeleine's body out of the.McCann apartment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2019, 05:11:PM
Jane Tanner, and other group members have given Gerald McCann a false alibi by claiming that he was present in the Tapas bar restaurant at all times other than when he dashed off to do his own check of the McCann apartment at 9.05pm (returning to the Tapas restaurant at about 9.20pm), when all along he had returned to his apartment needing to move Madeleine's body which almost certainly  had been concealed in the McCann parents bedroom wardrobe. Instead of returning to the Tapas restaurant after he had done an apartment check he removed Madeleine's body and hid it temporarily amongst the shrubbery and bushes of the garden belonging to the McCann  apartment, until such time when the coast was clear and then he gathered up Madeleine's body and headed down towards the beach where enroute he subsequently had a brief encounter with the Smith contingency ..

Whilst ever it is maintained that Gerald McCann returned to the Tapas restaurant after his 9. 05pm check and he keeps maintaining that he was at the restaurant for the rest of the time that evening he could not possibly be suspected of playing any part in the mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann. How could he possibly have been involved in her disappearence when he was present at the restaurant bar with friends who have all given him an alibi

But he wasn't there, and he never returned to there, he was too busy getting Madeleine's body out of the.McCann apartment.

Bear in mind the following..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2019, 05:21:PM
Bear in mind the following..

Why did everyone leave the Tapas restuarant bar at the same time that Kate McCann Rose to go and do a check of her apartment, if her husband had only just returned from there 10 minutes earlier (9.20pm), and in any event only for Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien to intervene so conveniently and offering to do Kates 9.30pm check instead, then and to make matters even more interesting why did Kate McCann leave the Tapas restuarant at 9. 30pm along with everybody else by that stage?

Where did everyone disappear to by 9.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2019, 05:30:PM

Where did everyone disappear to by 9.30pm...

And,  if everyone had disappeared from the restuarant dining tables by 9. 30pm,  then how could Mathew Oldfield return to the Tapas restaurant after completing his check of apartment 5A to inform everybody (who was not there),  that the reason why Russell O'Brien had not returned to the restuarant was because one of his daughters was sick so he was staying back at his apartment and caring for her needs. But, who was Mathew  Oldfield talking to if there was no -one there at the Tapas restaurant to listen to him..

When did everyone return to the Tapas bar restuarant in order for them all to be present so that Kate McCann could immediately leave again only to discover Madeleine was gone, and that she was missing, and that she had been taken or abducted?

It doesn't make any sense...

Everyone leaves the restuarant  by 9.30pm, just as Kate decides to do a 9.30pm, check of apartment 5A, then Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien step in volunteering to do Kate McCann's 9.30pm check. So where did Kate disappear to,  along with everyone else at the same time by 9.30pm? Then by 9.45pm a middle aged member of the Tapas 9 group,  returns to guard personal belongings of the other group members, and so how long was David Paynes mother sat there after 9.45pm, looking after everybodies possessions, 1 minute,  2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, or 20 minutes...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 17, 2019, 11:38:PM
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Everyone leaves the restuarant  by 9.30pm, just as Kate decides to do a 9.30pm, check of apartment 5A, then Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien step in volunteering to do Kate McCann's 9.30pm check. So where did Kate disappear to,  along with everyone else at the same time by 9.30pm? Then by 9.45pm a middle aged member of the Tapas 9 group,  returns to guard personal belongings of the other group members, and so how long was David Paynes mother sat there after 9.45pm, looking after everybodies possessions, 1 minute,  2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, or 20 minutes...

Where was Gerald McCann between 9.30pm and 10pm?

Well according to a barman and a waiter, a there was nobody at all at their dining table at 9.30pm, and 15 minutes later only a middle aged lady looking after the personal possessions of the other group members..

Why is it, that not one single member of the so called Tapas 9 group, makes any mention of everyone having abandoned their respective dining tables by 9.30pm?

Where did everyone go?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 17, 2019, 11:50:PM

Why is it, that not one single member of the so called Tapas 9 group, makes any mention of everyone having abandoned their respective dining tables by 9.30pm?

Bearing this in mind, how could Mathew Oldfield have returned to the restaurant after his 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment and tell everyone present that the reason why Russell O'Brien had not returned with him was because his daughter was unwell and he had remained behind at his own apartment..

How long was Mathew Oldfield away from the restuarant when he checked his own apartment and the McCann apartment - well he hadn't returned by 9.45pm that's for sure, because there was only a middle aged lady guarding all the personal possessions of the other group members at the dining tables...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 12:09:AM

How long was Mathew Oldfield away from the restuarant when he checked his own apartment and the McCann apartment - well he hadn't returned by 9.45pm that's for sure, because there was only a middle aged lady guarding all the personal possessions of the other group members at the dining tables...
It surely must be the case, that everyone of the group must have been aware that Madeleine McCann was known to be missing by 9.30pm at the very latest, and that Mathew Oldfield knew this when he checked apartment 5A at 9pm. It's a racing certainty that by 9.05pm Gerald McCann had been told by Mathew Oldfield that Madeleine was not present by that stage in the McCann apartment. Furthermore, by 9.15pm a couple who were seated at a dining table in the restaurant were loudly discussing the fact that a child belonging to one of the Ocean club guests had gone missing from their apartment. How come then that it took Kate McCann until 10pm, before she alerted everyone to the fact that someone had taken Madeleine from their apartment whilst they were having an evening meal in the nearby Tapas restuarant?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 12:22:AM
How come then that it took Kate McCann until 10pm, before she alerted everyone to the fact that someone had taken Madeleine from their apartment whilst they were having an evening meal in the nearby Tapas restuarant?
There is a simple explanation for the delay in acknowledging that Madeleine was was gone or that she had been taken from the McCann apartment from 9pm onward.- this was because by that stage Madeleine's body was still present in the bedroom wardrobe. The body had to be removed first and foremost. Indeed, Gerald McCann set about doing precisely that, when at 9.05pm he removed Madeleine's body from the wardrobe in his bedroom and temporarily concealed it amongst shrubs / bushes in the garden belonging to apartment 5A..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 12:28:AM
There is a simple explanation for the delay in acknowledging that Madeleine was was gone or that she had been taken from the McCann apartment from 9pm onward.- this was because by that stage Madeleine's body was still present in the bedroom wardrobe. The body had to be removed first and foremost. Indeed, Gerald McCann set about doing precisely that, when at 9.05pm he removed Madeleine's body from the wardrobe in his bedroom and temporarily concealed it amongst shrubs / bushes in the garden belonging to apartment 5A..

These facts alone give a perfect insight into why Gerald McCann was the person seen by the Smith family on his way down to the coast line at 10pm. He wasn 't back in the restuarant at that time, he wasn' t in two places at the same time, and it was he who carried Madeleine away in his arms, and nobody else..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 12:33:AM
These facts alone give a perfect insight into why Gerald McCann was the person seen by the Smith family on his way down to the coast line at 10pm. He wasn 't back in the restuarant at that time, he wasn' t in two places at the same time, and it was he who carried Madeleine away in his arms, and nobody else..

It is known that shortly after 10pm that Gerald McCann made a couple of telephone calls using his mobile phone, and that he deleted the relevant information regarding these calls from his phones memory..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 12:47:AM
It is known that shortly after 10pm that Gerald McCann made a couple of telephone calls using his mobile phone, and that he deleted the relevant information regarding these calls from his phones memory..

One of these calls was to inform a person or persons that he had been looked at with suspicion  by members of a family in the vicinity of 'LUZDOC'  medical centre at about 10pm - this was the chief reason why the timing of the alert regarding Madeleine's disappearance had to be put forward to 10pm at the earliest, and why Kate McCann claimed she had discovered Madeleine  missing during a 10pm check, and how she had run back to the restuarant to alert Gerald McCann to the to that effect.

If Gerald McCann was at the Restuarant at 10pm,then it could not have been him who had been seen by the witnesses carrying Madeleine away at the same time. Kate McCann and the others introduced false timings for the events that evening for the purpose of giving Gerald McCann a false alibi..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 01:00:AM
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If Gerald McCann was at the Restuarant at 10pm,then it could not have been him who had been seen by the witnesses carrying Madeleine away at the same time. Kate McCann and the others introduced false timings for the events that evening for the purpose of giving Gerald McCann a false alibi..

It is on record, that Gerald McCann brazenly said something along the lines, that if Madeleine had died in their apartment in some sort of an accident and that they had got rid of her body, how had they disposed of the body that evening because they were in the company of many friends having dinner in the Tapas restuarant from about 8.30pm onwards that particular evening.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 01:06:AM
Gerald McCann claimed he was the last person in their group to see Madeleine alive and sleeping in her bed - this, he said was during his 9.05pm check of their apartment by him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 01:10:AM
Gerald McCann claimed he was the last person in their group to see Madeleine alive and sleeping in her bed - this, he said was during his 9.05pm check of their apartment by him.

What he has said is a blatant lie - because she was already deceased and had died two / three days beforehand (1st May 2007 / 30th April 2007)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 09:47:AM
What he has said is a blatant lie - because she was already deceased and had died two /three days beforehand (1st May 2007 / 30th April 2007)..

The reason why the McCann's held onto the body of Madeleine for two to three days was because of rigor mortis, and in particular, what is known as 'the rigid state'. Here is some information from Google which throws a new light on the faked Madeleine McCann abduction narrative..

8 - 12 Hours  - body becomes completely rigid and stiff. This fixed state can last up until another 18 Hours. So between 26 and 30 Hours would have had to elapse before they could remove Madeleine's  body out of their holiday apartment, and notwithstanding the fact that they might not have been aware for the first 8 - 12 Hours that Madeleine had died. This being the case, and Madeleine did die in the apartment, there are strong reasons for believing that she may have died in the evening two or three days beforehand when the McCann parents were out drinking. They might have been drunk and gone straight to bed when they got in, and it is likely that they didn't realise until around breakfast time on the following morning that Madeleine had died, or that she was dead. By which time rigor mortice had arguably started to set in. A key clue as to the most likeliest timing of her death, must have got something to do with the victims body returning into its relaxed state, and a period of between 26 - 30 Hours, offset against the time they were going to raise the alarm that Madeleine had been abducted, for example, we now know that the alarm was raised by Mathew Oldfield at 9.05pm, and that a couple who were seated at a table in the vicinity of the terraced Tapas bar restuarant at about 9.15pm were overheard making a commotion about a little girl belonging to a couple who were guests at the Ocean club,  having gone missing from the family apartment whilst the parents were enjoying an evening meal in the nearby Tapas bar restuarant as offset by Kate McCann's narrative that it was her who had discovered Madeleine to have been taken which she only discovered whilst carrying out a 10pm check of their apartment. In total and depending upon which time was the actual time when somebody would be, or other, actually be the first person to raise the alarm, gives us something tangible to work with. We can therefore back track somewhere between the 26 Hours and 30 Hours from let's say 9pm and 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, and calculate the possible timing of Madeleine's death on the basis that those involved could not get rid of a dead body whilst ever it was in a fixed, and rigid condition of rigor mortis.


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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 03:25:PM

8 - 12 Hours - body becomes completely rigid and stiff. This fixed state can last up until another 18 Hours. So between 26 and 30 Hours would have had to elapse before they could remove Madeleine's  body out of their holiday apartment, and notwithstanding the fact that they might not have been aware for the first 8 - 12 Hours that Madeleine had died. This being the case, and Madeleine did die in the apartment, there are strong reasons for believing that she may have died in the evening two or three days beforehand when the McCann parents were out drinking. They might have been drunk and gone straight to bed when they got in, and it is likely that they didn't realise until around breakfast time on the following morning that Madeleine had died, or that she was dead. By which time rigor mortice had arguably started to set in.

26 to 30 Hours after death is the stage in the process where the rigidity and stiffness of a corpse wears off -  which can be between 1 day and two hours, and to a maximum of 1 day and 6 Hours
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2019, 03:32:PM
The first stages of rigor mortis starts at around 4 - 6 Hours after death, and ends after 48 - 60 Hours after death.

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We need, therefore, to look at the significance of this 48 - 60 Hour period, and then compare the findings with the 26 - 30 Hour period concerning the onset and conclusions of rigor mortice, in the earlier example...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 19, 2019, 03:49:PM
Two and a half days prior to 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2002, places the actual time of Madeleine McCann's death as having occurred somewhere between 10pm (48 Hours) and 4pm (60 Hours) on the 1st of May 2007 - as compared to the other version, for example 26 - 30 Hours..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2019, 03:14:AM

8 - 12 Hours - body becomes completely rigid and stiff. This fixed state can last up until another 18 Hours. So between 26 and 30 Hours would have had to elapse before they could remove Madeleine's  body out of their holiday apartment,

The first stages of rigor mortice start at around 4 - 6 Hours after death, and the last stage ends after 48 - 60 Hours after death.

We need, therefore, to look at the significance of this 48 - 60 Hour period, and then compare the findings with the 26 - 30 Hour period concerning the onset and conclusion of rigor mortice, in the earlier example...

Why do we have two contrasting time periods relating to a possible time of death (working on the assumption that Madeleine McCann's body was not removed from the McCann apartment until the fixed and rigid state of her body had abated) - well, the reason why this is so is because there are various stages of rigor mortice to be taken into account (not just that the body takes on a fixed or rigid state)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2019, 03:42:AM

Why do we have two contrasting time periods relating to a possible time of death (working on the assumption that Madeleine McCann's body was not removed from the McCann apartment until the fixed and rigid state of her body had abated) - well, the reason why this is so is because there are various stages of rigor mortice to be taken into account (not just that the body takes on a fixed or rigid state)..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2019, 06:21:PM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2019, 09:41:PM
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Both McCann parents knew how important it was for the body of their daughter to be found or recovered, and the state of her body at such a time. The forced mistake that these parents made, in failing to report her death as it might have been found casts a huge shadow which hangs over Madeleine's whereabouts at one time or another..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2019, 09:48:PM
If we seek to rely on the time frame ranging from 26 Hours -  30 Hours, we will as calculated retrospectively from 9pm and 10pm respectively on the evening of 3rd May 2007, end up with a potential date of Madeleine McCann's demise coming to a head. This produces a potential 'occurrence of the death' has having taken place between 6pm on the 2nd May 2007 (26 Hours) and 2pm on the 2nd May 2007 (30 Hours)..

Two and a half days prior to 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2002, places the actual time of Madeleine McCann's death as having occurred somewhere between 10pm (48 Hours) and 4pm (60 Hours) on the 1st of May 2007 - as compared to the other version, for example 26 - 30 Hours.

Therefore, we can safely assume that Madeleine McCann died by whichever means or purpose, from as early as 4pm (60 - 48 Hours method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 6pm (26 - 30 Hours method of calculation) on the 2nd May 2007, or as the case may be between 4 am (60 - 48 Hour method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 8 am (26 - 30 Hour method of calculation) on 2nd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 21, 2019, 05:05:AM

Therefore, we can safely assume that Madeleine McCann died by whichever means or purpose, from as early as 4pm (60 - 48 Hours method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 6pm (26 - 30 Hours method of calculation) on the 2nd May 2007, or as the case may be, as late as occurring between 4 am (60 - 48 Hour method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 8 am (26 - 30 Hour method of calculation) on 2nd May 2007..

Suggesting that Madeleine died inside apartment 5A somewhere in the time frame 4am (on 1st May 2007) and 8am (2nd May 2007)..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 21, 2019, 08:11:AM
Suggesting that Madeleine died inside apartment 5A somewhere in the time frame 4am (on 1st May 2007) and 8am (2nd May 2007)..

To cut to the chase, no wonder then that the McCann parents have chosen to remain silent regarding their visit to Chaplins bar on the evening of 1st May 2007, and the suspicion which hangs over the creche records, covering the dates 2nd and 3rd May 2007. Additionally, the fact that the McCanns stopped going out for breakfast with their friends and children near to the beginning of their holiday, but chose instead to have breakfast in apartment 5A each morning...

All the pieces in the jigsaw are now falling into place, piece by piece..

'Oh What A Tangled Web we weave, when we first practice to deceive'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 21, 2019, 08:20:AM
Was it unusual for parents of the two youngest children of the McCanns,  not to have a pushchair amongst their belongings when holidaying in Portugal..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 05:19:AM
Was it unusual for parents of the two youngest children of the McCanns,  not to have a pushchair amongst their belongings when holidaying in Portugal..

Bear in mind also, the fact that McCann's associate 'Jes'  was on the scene with a pushchair (according to Jane Tanners account) around the time when Madeleine McCann was supposedly taken..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 05:22:AM
Bear in mind also, the fact that McCann's associate 'Jes'  was on the scene with a pushchair (according to Jane Tanners account) around the time when Madeleine McCann was supposedly taken..

Where is that pushchair now...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 05:24:AM
We need to see the contents of all the witness statements made by 'Jes' and his 'wife'  covering the events as described...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 05:28:AM
We need to see the contents of all the witness statements made by 'Jes' and his 'wife'  covering the events as described...

More importantly we need to pinpoint the exact location of the 'Jes couples'  apartment relative to the position of the McCann  apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 05:35:AM
And, of course, there is this to contemplate:-

Gerald McCann spotted in the very same location as in which the Cadaver dog and or the blood hound, had alerted to the sure certainty that there had been found in that very same place, results of a dead person in that spot / location..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 05:44:AM
The blood hound and the cadaver dog both alerting to the presence of blood and a dead body, in all locations which Gerald McCann had confirmed access to...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 05:56:AM
The blood hound and (or) the cadaver dog both alerting to the presence of blood and (or) a dead body, in all locations which Gerald McCann had confirmed access to...

Behind sofa in lounge

In wardrobe of McCann parents bedroom

In bushes of front (poolside) garden

In hire car

On Kate McCann's clothing

On Gerald McCann's clothing


Now, that (or this) has to be more than just a coincidence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 07:14:AM
The dogs, could never have established whose blood, and or, to which body of a deceased person was linked or connected to, when either dog / hound alerted..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 07:22:AM
The dogs, could never have established whose blood, and or, to which body of a deceased person was linked or connected to, when either dog / hound alerted..

The dog /hounds role was merely a means for the authorities to search and take samples so that forensic tests could (hopefully) produce 'bone fide' results...

'Shame on Gerald McCann' for implying on a TV broadcasted interview that the contribution made by these famous cop hound /dog, was basically 'unreliable'...

Bear in mind, that Kate McCann has never made such an allegation toward, and or against either hound, or dog..

What, if anything does this mean, or can be interpreted..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 07:31:AM
The blood hound, and the cadaver dog, did what was expected of them, unbiasly, and everybody should acknowledge this truth..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 07:40:AM
The blood hound, and the cadaver dog, did what was expected of them, unbiasly, and everybody should acknowledge this truth..

But, it seems, that Gerald McCann was/is 'hell bent' in apportioning blame to anybody, and everybody,  including both of the police dogs who are specialised in a particular area or field in the investigation into this sensitive and troublesome International matter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 07:45:AM
But, it seems, that Gerald McCann was/is 'hell bent' in apportioning blame to anybody, and everybody,  including both of the police dogs who are specialised in a particular area or field in the investigation into this sensitive and troublesome International matter...

The blood hound, and the cadaver dog are heroes in this investigation, and if only they could speak or be given an opportunity to comment on the awful things that Gerald McCann  has gone on record as saying about them..

Then, we would all know (not his truth, not her truth, and not their truth, but) the 'absolute'  truth in this matter..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 07:00:PM
(1) - https://madeleinemccannfiles.blogspot.com/2012/10/PJ-1a-1s-Intelligence-Analysis-Report-05-02-08-PJ-Inspector-Paulo-Dias_29.html


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Madeleine McCann Files

PJ Intelligence Analysis Report 05th February 2008

PJ-1a-1s Intelligence Analysis Report-05-02-08-PJ-Inspector-Paulo-Dias
File pages 1-3004

Central Department of Criminal Investigation 05th February 2008


1.0. INTRODUCTION

a)In the continuity of the work already developed in reference to the analysis of the communications (voice phone calls, SMS and MMS), we proceeded, by solicitation of the DIC of Portimo, to the operational analysis of the Inquiry 201/07.0GALGS.

b) For that matter, we were delivered a copy, on digital format, of the 11 volumes (pages 1 to 3004), that constituted the process at that time; discs and maps with the registration of the phone contacts of the arguido Robert Murat, his mother Jennifer Murat, the witnesses Michaela Walazuch, Luis Antonio and Sergey Malinka; registrations and maps of the calls made from public booths in Praia da Luz; copies of the videos made during the cynotechnic searches.

c) With this amount of information (interviews, requests, etc.), we pretended to clarify what had happened on the night of May the 3rd, 2007, in the apartment 5A, of the resort named Praia da Luz Ocean Club, and to find any element that could lead to the identification of the author of the facts.

d) To realize the requested analysis, it was used the informatics tools: Analyst Notebook V.6 and Excel, for the realization of the Graphs (charts) and tables, of which we annex those considered pertinent; and we used the database of this police ' SPO.

e) Throughout our work we were frequently contacted by colleagues that were on the field, in the attempt to verify if a certain mobile phone number had activated any antenna, of the 3 national operators, that serve Praia da Luz on any of the 3 days that we have registers for.


2.0. METHODOLOGY

a) In the first phase, we proceeded to a careful reading of the files taking notes of the elements that could contribute, in any way, to the composition of the chronograms of the facts. From that reading is clear that much of the proof is testimonial.

b) So, at this phase, we compared the declarations of the Ocean Club's employees with the phone registries of the 3 operators, to figure out if there is any incongruence between the depositions made and their presence at the place, when they claimed that they were absent from that locality.

c) Following this line of reasoning it was determined that two witnesses ' Bernardino (page. 372) and Ecaterina (pag 596) ' activated one of the antennas, beyond the time that they stated having left that area.

d) After this phase, Excel tables were created based on the depositions of the different interviewee, the maps with the registry of the entrance and exits of the creches, the R.D.E. and other information. From these maps charts were created (in annex).


e) On these charts we find:
- Timelines of entities- Boxes of events

f) As the Analyst Notebook executes automatically the correlations that it finds on the tables with the data, it's up to the analyst to read it, and according with the results, to enunciate one or more hypothesis.

g) So, apart from the traces recovered on that occasion and on others, both from the apartment 5A, as from the residence of Robert Murat, and from its analysis, this report is based on the statements of the several interveiwees that are translated on the annexed charts.

h) These are separated by the following types: first declarations; second declarations; third declarations; R.D.E.; Registry pages from the creches; telephone contacts; and others.

i) This categorization was made in order to find any discrepancy on the depositions of the different witnesses and arguidos. That is, we aimed to check if there were significant changes in their statements.

j) The statements were then reproduced on a graphic form, being the personal or group routines represented on daily graphs. For instance, if a witness declared that on the 29th had lunch at home, and that was their routine until the 3rd, that event will appear on the graphs for those days. Those situations can be observed when on the 'event's boxes' the word ROUTINE appears.

k) This procedure was adopted for the graphs based on the first depositions and Rs.D.E. The graphs for the second and second statements this method was not used, because we chose to make graphs for the new elements supplied by the witnesses, avoiding, this way, to repeat everything that had been done for the first depositions.

3.0. DEVELOPMENT

a) From the declarations of the various interviewees, it was clear that when the GNR arrived at the place, several persons had already handled the window and entered the room of Madeleine and her siblings, which means that the space had been occupied by other individuals. It possibly explains the scarcity of probational elements recovered on the first phase. It's a fact that the only latent fingerprints recovered, with the necessary elements for a positive identification belonged to the mother of the missing child and to a member of the GNR (pag. 885 and 1520).

b) One of the fundamental principles of the investigation is connected with the data recovered on the crime scene since the first moment. If that place had already been visited by third parties, the elements that eventually could be recovered, may lead to the construction of scenarios quite different from what really happened. Most of the times that 'change' is such that it compromises, or at least, limits the recovery of eventual traces that might exist on the crime scene.

c) The lack of the preservation of the space, as the investigation principles demand, was such that on the several vestiges recovered, on the afternoon of the day after the disappearance of the child, by a SCI team of the Scientific Police Laboratory (page. 2307), after laboratory analysis for the identification of DNA, it was revealed the presence of non-human hair (pages. 2432, passim).

d) This team searched for any substance that could have been administered to the missing child in order to keep her under an unconscious state and/or the presence of blood traces.

e) According to the statements, the life of the group followed a daily routine. After having breakfast, at the apartment (in the case of the Mccann) or at the Millennium restaurant, they placed the children at their respective creches. Then the adults went for several sports' activities (tennis, sailing, etc).

f) Around lunch time, they went for the kids at the creche and had lunch with them at the apartments.
g) In the afternoon some of the children (McCann children and the eldest of O'Brien/Tanner) were placed at the creches, while the others were kept with the parents.

h) Some adults returned to their sports' activities while others went for other activities, normal for people on holidays.

i) After feeding the children, which happened close to the Tapas bar/restaurant, under the supervision of the nannies, they took them to put them to bed after making their hygiene.

j) Afterwards, with the children already asleep, the adults went to the restaurant for dinner (annexes 2 to 37, based on the statements; and annexes 57 to 67, based on the Rs.D.E. and creche's registration).

k) Based on the several testimonies, it's demonstrated that we are in the presence of a group of people, in holidays, with children, with a certain routine that is completely changed after the disappearance of Madeleine.

l) The mobile phone contacts, made and received by the elements of the group, registered by the 3 national operators, only corroborate that deduction for the days 2 to 4. It's clear that the mobile phones did not have much use and when they use it it's to call UK (annexes 38, 39).

m) On the day of the disappearance, the group routine was slightly different, not for the McCann family, they had the same ritual of placing the children on the creche to dedicate to the tennis practice in the after lunch.

n) However, the remaining elements of the group, in the afternoon, went to the beach, where they had high tea at the bars in that area (annexes 15, 16, 17, 27, 38 and 35).

o) On this last day, the last time that Madeleine was seen by someone not belonging to the family group or the friends' group, was at 17:30h, when she was returned to the parents by one of the nannies (annex 66, pag 105).

p) According to the narrative made by Kate and Gerald, after putting the children in bed, they got out for dinner, with the children asleep.

q) According to an agreement, accepted tacitly by everyone, the supervision of the children was made in a way where they took turns on that task, so the children would not be unsupervised for periods longer than 15 to 30 minutes.

r) On that fateful night, the first one to go to the apartments was Mathew Oldfield, who made their check based on audition. He listened, and it was not possible to find out if at the windows or at the doors, if any noise was coming from the inside of the apartments.

t) He was followed by Gerald McCann. This one entered into his apartment, at about 21:05 h, and aw his children asleep, he got out and followed towards the Tapas. In the way he met the witness Jeremy Wilkins, with whom he maintained a small conversation.

u) Meanwhile, Jane Tanner, another element of the group, left the table and went to her apartment. On the way she saw Gerald talking to Jeremy ('Jezz') ' Amazingly, none of them saw her. On that occasion, at about 21:15h, Jane saw at the top of the street, a male individual crossing the road, holding a child.

v) Later, around 21:30h, Matthew went back to check the children, and on that occasion he entered through the window/door of the living room, in the apartment of the McCann. He saw the twins sleeping in their cots, but he didn't see Madeleine, due to the position of the bed where she was sleeping.

w) By 22:00h, it was Kate's turn to proceed to the verification of how her children were, and that's why it was her that noticed the absence of her daughter and gave the alert to the other members of the group.

x) There were several interviewee on the initial searches amongst the Ocean's employees, residents and guests.

z) To get the physical context f the place where the facts occurred, a visit was made. This way, it was evident that when sit at a table where the one that was used by the nine, at the Tapas restaurant, it was impossible to see the totality of the back of the apartment where the McCann stayed. It was even possible that a person entered the apartment without being seen from that position.

4.0. HYPOTHESES

From the analysis emerges one concrete FACT:

MADELEINE McCANN DISAPPEARED FROM THE APARTMENT WHERE SHE WAS LODGED WITH HER FAMILY.

This fact raises 2 preferential hypotheses:

A- Kidnapping performed by unknown(s); and/or

B - Violent/accidental death occurring inside the apartment and posterior removal of the body to an unknown place.

A - The first hypothesis is based on the following data:

a) It was Kate Healy that found out that her daughter was missing (pag. 61). When Kate arrives at the apartment to check the children, she found out that Madeleine was absent and that her children's bedroom door was completely open, which was not usual, and that the window that gives access to the exterior was also opened, the shutters opened and the curtains opened to the sides.

b) Gerald McCann, the father, at around 21:05h, had seen her on the bed (pag 37, lines 73-76). After the alarm given by his wife, he realized that the window was opened to one of the sides, the shutters almost entirely raised up and the curtains opened to the sides. Madeleine's bed was empty, but the twins were still on their cots sleeping (page 901).

c) Matthew Oldfield, one of the friends that enters the apartment of the McCann before the mother gives the alarm, didn't check inside the room of the children, if Madeleine was there, only seeing the twins (page 54); after Kate gave the alarm he also saw the window of the children's room opened and it's shutter raised. As he referred there was no sign of a breakthrough in the apartment doors (pag 55).

d) Jane Tanner, a friend, that at the moment when Kate give the alarm was at home taking care of her daughter, but declares to have seen, at 21:15h, an individual crossing the street she was going up to, from the left to the right, holding a child (pag 46).

e) It was possible to add the rest of the elements of the group, however in our understanding an analysis report is not a final report, so we are just going to mention the first witness outside the group that became aware of the despair of Kate, while she cried for her daughter and reprimanded herself for having left her alone.

f) Pamela Fenn, resident at the apartment just above the one were the incident occurred (p. 2413).
This witness also referred that on the night of day 1 (NOTE: by the way it is written it means May 1st) she heard a child and not a baby, crying for about 1:30 h, and that this sound came from the apartment below hers. This statement contradicts the version presented by the group that they were checking the children every 15 or 30 minutes.

g) There are no witnesses that have watched whatever happened. Also there are no traces that may lead to the author of the facts denounced by Gerald McCann.

h) Apart from the witness Jane Tanner, there other 3 witnesses, all of the same family ' Martin, Aiofe and Peter Smith, respectively father, daughter and son ' that around 22:00h, have seen an individual carrying a child, in a place opposed to the one where the other witness claims to have seen the other suspect, if we use as reference the McCann apartment.

i) Still on the kidnapping side, Robert Murat, at a certain time of the investigations, became a suspect of the crime.

j) Let's enumerate some facts that led to such a suspicion, and demonstrate some important aspects that must be taken into account by the investigation, that result from data within the files.

5.0. Reasons that led to the suspicion:

a) According to a British journalist, R. Murat started having suspicious attitudes close to those professionals of the British media. He didn't want to be photographed and didn't give any identification element apart from his nick name ' 'ROB' (pag. 308).

b) His residence was in the direction that, according to Jane, was taken by the unknown that was carrying a child (pag.46).

c) The attitudes taken by him and referred on page 329.

d) Anonymous denounce that suggests that he was an individual that frequently viewed sites of 'heavy sexual contents' (page 461).

e) His behaviour while acting as a translator, showing an unusual interest, that surpassed the functions for which he was nominated, he showed curiosity about the diligences that had been realised and the ones that were to be performed (pag 960, passim).

f) Having been present on the night of the facts, according to the declarations of Rachel Mampilly (pag 1296); Fiona Payne (1323) and Russell (page 1945).

g) From the analysis it results that Murat arrived in Portugal, coming from Britain on May the 1st, his mother went to get him from the airport (annex 68).

h) From the acts ('autos') it is deprehended that a very strong relationship exists between Robert and Michaela, and that they try to be together, whenever it's possible. On the same day of his arrival, immediately after passing by his home, he went to visit her in Lagos, where Michaela resides with her husband and daughter.

i) On the 2nd and 3rd, they declared to have been together. According to the antennas they activated, on those two days, they stayed within the Lagos area.

j) When they are not together they contact by mobile phone, which occurs at the end of the day, compare the annexes 68 and 75; and 70, 71 and 79.

k) On the 3rd, they were together all day, according to their statements that originated the annexes 70 to 72.

l) They met at 9:30h and were around the Lagos area in meetings and at Michaela's house. Around 19:30h, Murat left her place and returned to Praia da Luz. During the period they were together there are no phone contacts between the two.

m) They only establish that sort of contact at 23:20h, having Michaela called Murat after, according to the statements on pag 1184 and 1544, arriving home from the church meeting she frequents.

n) Only the witnesses Rachael Mampilly, Fiona Payne and Russell O'Brien, without we understanding why, state that they saw him on the night of the facts, helping as a translator the members of the GNR. However they are the only ones to stand that. Several witnesses denied that fact. Some of those witnesses are residents at Praia da Luz and know Robert, from sight, for several years (annexes 72 and 73).

o) The mother refers that Murat stayed at home all the time, close to her, after having entered at 19:30h.

p) Nothing of interest resulted from the searches realised to his residence, that allowed to infer that he was involved, in any way, on the disappearance of Madeleine. That is, no traces of the presence of Madeleine were found on the places accessed by Robert.

q) The exams performed by the Medical Forensic Laboratory to the hair found at his residence and vehicles (pag 2426), the DNA recovered was of the haplotype of Robert Murat.

r) From the analysis realised to every communication, since November the 1st, 2006 until July 19th, 2007, of Robert, Michaela, Sergey, Jennifer and Luis Antonio, it's evident that Robert and Malinka only contacted each other 8 times, annex 87.

s) There is no relationship between Sergey and Luis Antonio, and between this last one and Robert, neither between those two and the residence of Robert Murat, between April 30th and May 4th (annexes 82 to 86).

6.0. The hypothesis of death is based on the following:

a) The witness Silvia Batista, page 1977, refers that at 3:00hrs, May 4th, the couple asked for a priest, which she found strange since there was at that time any indication that the child was dead, and it is 'under those circumstances that usually the presence of a priest is demanded' (sic).

b) The search dog 'Eddie' (dog that signals the presence of cadaver odour) 'marked' (gave a signal) in the couples bedroom, at the apartment 5A, on an area close to the wardrobe (page 2054, and/or annex 88)

c) That same dog 'marked', in the same apartment, an area close to the window of the living room, which has a direct access to the street, behind the sofa (page. 2054 and/or annex 88)

d) Still in the apartment, the dog 'marked' an area in the garden, at the corner, down the vertical from the veranda (page 2054 and/or annex 88).

e) At the villa 'Vista do Mar', the house rented by the McCann after leaving the Ocean Club, the dog 'marked' the area of the closet that contained in its interior the soft toy belonging to Madeleine (cf. page. 2099 and/or annex 88)

f) From the exam to the clothing performed in a pavilion in Lagos, this same dog 'marked' some pieces of clothes that belonged to Kate Healy (page 2101 and /or annex 88)

g) This dog signalled the exterior and interior parts, of the driver's door, of the Renault 59-DA-27 ' rented by the McCann (page. 2187 and /or annex 88)

h) Finally he 'marked' the key/card of this vehicle when hidden in a sand box (page 2187 and/or annex 88)

i) The search dog, named 'Keela' (a she dog that detects the presence of human blood) 'marked' an area in the living room, in the apartment 5A, that had been 'marked' by the dog 'Eddy' (page. 2054 and/or annex 88)

j) After the mosaics that this dog signalled had been retired, on a first inspection, and mentioned previously, she marked that same area once more (page 2190 and/or annex 88)

k) She 'marked' also the inferior side of the left side curtains, of the window referred above (page 2190 and/or annex 88)

l) She 'marked' the inferior lateral right side, in the inside of the booth of the car 59-DA-27 (page 2187 and/or annex 88)

m) In what concerns the vehicle, Keela 'marked' the little compartment of the driver's door, that contained the key/card of the vehicle (page 2187 and/or annex 88)

n) This dog also 'marked' the key/card when the same was hidden into a sand box.

o) It should be noted the report made by the trainer /owner of these dogs. On this report it's mentioned the methodology of training:

p) 'Eddie, the dog with an advanced training to detect mortal victims (E.V.R.D.), searches and locates human remains and body fluids, including blood, in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the dog was done with human blood and decaying piglets that were born dead. The importance of this training is that the dog learnt to identify the odour of a decaying body that is not food. This guaranties that the dog ignores the 'bacon sandwich' and the 'kebab', etc. that are always present in the environment. Besides that the dog will not alert to a meal prepared at home or on any other place. For instance, the dog will be efficient on searching a cadaver in café where the clients can be seated eating a bacon sandwich. As a complement of this training, the dog receives an additional training in the USA, in association with the FBI, in which will be used exclusively human remains' (sic) (page 2493 and 2494).

q) This summarized description raises a question that we would like to see answered: could the dog be 'marking' not the odours emanated from a cadaver, directly or indirectly (by contagious), but from blood in putrefaction'

r) These dogs are means for obtaining proof but they cannot be used as proof. They must be taken as instruments. Any vestige, even invisible to the eye, recovered with the use of these dogs, has to be subjected to forensic exam on a credited laboratory.

s) It is the same Martin Grime that, at pages 2271, refers on his report: 'Although it cannot constitute proof admissible to court, it can help on the recovery of intelligence for the investigation of serious crimes'.

t) In this case the dogs signalled several places. The technicians of the Scientific Police Laboratory recovered those vestiges ' vestiges that that on it's majority were not visible to the eye ' and sent them to the laboratories for the necessary forensic exams, in order to recover and identify the DNA profiles, that might be extracted from them.

u) From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

v) If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

w) On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'

x) Apart from all that was said about the dogs, we must also take into attention the results of the forensic analysis that was performed by the experts on the Scientific Police Laboratory on the day immediately after the facts, and already mentioned where no vestige of blood was found.

7.0. OTHER
a) Besides the analysis of the charts with reference to the group that travelled with Madeleine and the 'group' of Robert Murat, other charts were made.

b) On the annex 89 it's represented the renting of the vehicle 59-DA-27, where it's signalled that the same was rented for the first time by Gerald McCann on May 27th, 2007, and kept until September 23rd, 2007. Which means that the vehicle entered under his possession 24 days after the disappearance of his daughter.

c) On the annex 90, there is a detailed analysis developed based on the hypothesis that the author of the kidnapping acted with the help of another individual, and that both activated on the same minute, only on the 3rd, one of the antennas at Praia da Luz. This means, they both would activate cells in Praia da Luz simultaneously. It was taken as reference the statements of Jane Tanner and Gerald McCann and it was admitted that this contact, short, had occurred between 21:00 and 21:20h.

d) The result of this analysis was communicated, in due time, to the colleagues, inspectors Rodrigues and Santos.

e) It was also to those colleagues that was transmitted the results of the analysis made, based on the same hypothesis (annex 91), but within the period 21:45h and 22:15h. This period has to do with the statement of the Smith family, Martin, Aoife and Peter, that declare to have seen a male individual carrying a child at around 22:00h.

f) The data analysed to make those charts and the Excel table, were the 74 thousand registrations supplied by the 3 operators, with reference to the activation of the antennas that serve Praia da Luz between May 2nd and 4th.

g) Based on the some descriptions made by the witnesses, other charts are represented on the annex 92, but they they do not reveal anything useful for the investigation.

h) More attention was given to the descriptions of the members of the Smith's family and Jane's, since in both there was a common element, the suspect transported a child, and also due to their temporal proximity. The rest of them were scattered in time and the descriptions were based on the fact that the individuals at a certain time had a suspicious attitude or aspect.

i) An analysis was also made to the numbers called from the public phone booths, but no useful element o the investigation was found. This data serve only, just like the 74 thousand registries of the operators, to eliminate eventual suspects.

j) Finally, it may be referred that from the analysis to the communications, in general, nothing relevant could be found.

8.0. RECOMMENDATIONS

a) From the analysis no noticeable discrepancies can be found from the depositions made by the interviewees, and also between those statements and other elements to which they were compared, namely, the registries of the creche entrances and exits of the children, registries of the tennis classes and phone calls.

b) However, as referred previously, there is a witness that declares to have heard, supposedly Madeleine McCann, crying for one and a half hours, without the parents getting into the apartment during that period.

c) This statement raises serious doubts about for how long the children were without supervision.

d) In the case of Murat, there are also no discrepancies on his statements.

e) From the mentioned above, we understand that the following recommendations must be made:
- On the hypothesis that there was death of the child, the results performed by the British Laboratory must be awaited, in order to assert what kind of vestiges were collected and if any of those can lead to the identification of Madeleine McCann's DNA profile.

- To obtain, from the trainers and supervisors of the dogs (ERVD and CSI), further enlightening about the 'marking' and the friability of their work.

- Under the hypothesis of abduction, because there are no vestiges to lead to the author, we propose the waiting for a denounce or testimony that permits to obtain new elements of proof in order to achieve an identification.

Posted by Madeleine McCann Files at 15:41
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 08:09:PM
Derek Flack 06-05-07 re Man Watching Car-Park
200-205 Deposition Derek Flack 06-05-07 re Man Watching Car-Park
Processo 01 VOLUME Ia Page 200-205

Deposition: Derek Flack 06/05/2007 Portimao

He comes to the case as a witness following the events on the morning or early afternoon of 2nd or 3rd May (last Wednesday or Thursday) which might have a bearing on the present investigation.

- As he does not write of speak Portuguese he is assisted by an interpreter, G.L.C. de Jesus, at the request of the PJ.

- Relating to the events of the present investigation he states that he owns a holiday home on Rua do Ramalhete in Praia da Luz where he spends extended holiday periods in our country together with his long-time common-law partner of 36 years, C.M.Dale.

- They both arrived in our country on the early morning of 29 April 2007 having stayed at the above residence.

Subsequently, on the late morning or early afternoon of either 2nd or 3rd May, not being certain which, the deponent and his partner were out walking in the vicinity of their home.

Asked, he does not recall the exact route taken but they went up from their home to Rua Dr. Agostinho da Silva then down Rua Dr. Francsico Gentil Martins where the "Ocean Club Gardens" is situated.

- At that time as they passed the residential block he noticed a light commercial vehicle, (in all respects the same as an Opel Corsa Van), white in colour but dirty, with only one side window in the 'hanging' door, but not knowing the exact make, model or other identifying characteristics - including the number plate. Everything considered he judged it to be an old model.

When going down the road he passed an individual standing on his left at the beginning of a path and at the entrance of a small car park opposite the reception of the resort.

- At the point they passed the individual the deponent had seen him face-on because he was facing the opposite direction to which he was walking, and appearing to be watching attentively movements adjacent to the parked vehicle.

- Asked, the deponent said that he noticed the above because he had a high instinct for vigilance due to his participation where he lived in England in a neighbourhood-watch in which suspicious persons or movements were watched for and detected to maintain order, unlike his partner who detected nothing of such incidents.

- Hence, he was aware that the man's attention was fixed on the area in question in such a way that he was unaware of the deponent's presence.

- Urged to describe the man, the deponent said he was Caucasian, dark-skinned, medium stature, 1,70 to 1,75m tall, about 25 to 35 years old.

- Adding that the man had dark and thick hair but with no noticeable fringe.

- Regarding apparel he adds that he didn't observe this in detail, judging that he wore a plain T-shirt, possibly yellow.

- The deponent wished to clarify that he was convinced that the man was not one of the many tourists who frequented that area, considering his features and physical appearance.

- Asked, said that, initially, he had associated the man with the van because had looked deliberately at the area around it.

- Notwithstanding, having learned of the disappearance of MBM on 3 May from inside one of the resort residences mentioned above, he linked the two and that was the reason he came forward to the police.

- Asked to justify he said that the van was situated close to the gateway on the side of the building which led to the veranda of the apartment in question.

- Hence, one could conclude that the man was monitoring the movements next to that gate and possibly of the interior of the apartment.

- For the rest, he adds that after having reflected specifically on the incidents he concluded that it was the man's deliberate focus on the area in which the events that gave rise to the investigation occurred.

- Urged to reveal details about the area around the van, the deponent could not be certain if the vehicle was directly next to, slightly above or slightly below, the gateway.

- However, he was certain that it was a very short distance from, and directly in the path of the gate.

- Asked, aside from what he reported above, he did not recall having seen the man before in that vicinity or any other place, nor caught the slightest glimpse of him since the crime that victimised the minor Madeleine.

- The deponent is not sure if he would recognise him again in the event that they should meet.

- Based on the above description image e-Fit #18/2007 as attached.

- Finally, having been asked, he states that he intends to return to England next Saturday, 12 May 2007.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 08:15:PM
Graham McKenzie 16-12-07 re potential stalker cigarette butts pile
3907-3908 Statement Graham McKenzie 16-12-07 re stalker cigarette butts pile
15-Processos Volume XV Pages 3907-3908
Witness: Holiday-Maker
Surname: Mackenzie
Forename(s): Graham
Occupation: Company partner
Statement date: 06-12-2007

Earlier this year we went on a family holiday in Portugal. At the time we only had our eldest son ***** and (my wife) was expecting ****. We had booked with the travel company Mark Warner to stay at their resort in Praia da Luz. We flew out of Gatwick on the 28th April to Faro.

We were staying at a self-catering apartment at The Ocean Club Resort. During our stay we used the child care facilities during the day and when we picked ****up we would chat with the other parents but other than that we pretty kept ourselves to ourselves and just enjoyed our time relaxing together.

There was a couple we got to know in a nearby apartment, their names were **** and Raj Balu. We also chatted to another couple, his name was Neil but I don't recall hers, they had booked for two weeks but left the resort early.

The apartment on one side of us was vacant, throughout our stay, an Indian family moved into the one the other side part way through our stay. I do not know their names but they had a daughter who was about three years old.

During our stay we had seen the McCann party when the children had tea together and also when eating at the Tapas bar in the evenings. We had not really had anything to do with them other than the odd word when the children were all playing together after tea.

On the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance we could not get a table at the Tapas bar and decided to get a takeaway from there and have it at the apartment. My wife collected it at about 8.30 while I stayed with ****.

It was later that evening around 10 ' 11 that I heard a commotion on the complex, I decided to go out and see what was going on. I walked round a saw a group of people gathered. John Hill the resort manager was there with some of the Mark Warner staff. I heard that a little girl called Maddie was missing, at that point I did not realise which child it was. John Hill was organising a search of the complex as it was thought that she had wandered off at that point in time. I let my wife know what was going on and went to join the search. I went to search the area around the back of our apartment where there is a little garden with a big palm tree in the middle. I was looking in the shrubbery and the little gardens to the apartments.

I worked my way around the area, eventually coming around the back of the tennis courts and up towards what I now know to be the McCanns apartment a couple of hours later. I was looking in the little gardens on the poolside of that block, I was in the end garden when I heard a male voice, he sounded distraught his voice cracking with emotion. I looked to see who I now know to be Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. I cannot recall his exact words but I got the impression that he was speaking to perhaps a family member or someone he was very close to due to the nature of his conversation.

He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off.

I had looked up by now and we actually made eye contact, his conversation did not change at all when he realised that I was there. I felt as if I were intruding on a private moment and so I left the garden at that point. I had overheard only a snippet of it. It was only then that I realised whose child it was that was missing. I went back to the apartment to tell my wife what had happened, had a drink and went out again. There were lots of people just standing round looking, the police eventually turned up later in the evening. There didn't seem to be any real organisation of the searching and I eventually went back to our apartment for the night.

We went to the Millennium restaurant for breakfast the following morning, they were handing out flyers with her photograph on. Everyone was very, very upset.

The following day we saw Kate McCann when she came to collect the twins from the creche at lunchtime, she was distraught and broke down sobbing.

We didn't have any other involvement with their group for the remainder of our holiday and flew home on the Saturday. On the day of our departure we had to move out of our apartment and Mark Warner gave us another to use during the day until we left.

It was across the road from the McCann's apartment and the public balcony overlooked the side of their building and the road. You could actually see the front and back of the building from that view point. I noticed on the balcony that there was a pile of cigarette butts as if there had been someone stood there for some time smoking. I thought that was odd , and it could have been someone watching the McCann's apartment to monitor their comings and goings.

It was when I heard that the police were trying to pinpoint telephone conversations made in the resort that I decided to get in touch about what I had heard.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 08:21:PM
Susan McCluskey 09-05-2007 re Van Man Carrying Child

129-130 Deposition Susan McCluskey 09-05-2007 re Van Man Carrying Child
05-01-Apensos V Vol 1 Pages 129-130

CONFIDENTIAL STATEMENT

Number : S18
Surname : MCCLUSKEY
Forename(s) : SUSAN
Age : OVER 18 Date of Birth : 14th May 1957
Address : x, LIxx AVxxxx, SUNDERLAND, TYNE AND WEAR
Postcode : SRx xxx
Telephone No : 019153xxxxx
Statement Date : 9th May 2007 Number of pages : 3

I am the above named person living at an address known to the Police.

At approximately 10 to 2 in the morning of Saturday 5th May 2007, I was on holiday in the town of ALVOR, PORTUGAL, with my husband Richard. We were walking up the bank from the town returning to our hotel complex known as, CLUBE ALVORFERIAS, after a night out. We were the only people on the street. We were on the main road which was dark but lit by street lighting.

As we approached the hotel Raymond drew my attention to a vehicle which had stopped on the junction across the road. It was parked in the middle of the junction and initially I had thought it had broken down because of the way it was stopped. I did not have any glasses on but I was able to distinguish a male with a child get up and stagger up the hill. I can say the vehicle was about 20-30 feet away when it stopped but we had a clear and unobstructed view of the junction. There was no traffic and the junction was well lit with street lighting. Raymond then decided to go across and check out the vehicle. We both went over and wrote the vehicle registration of the white 'pick-up' vehicle down on my hand. We had been at the vehicle only a very short time, possibly a couple of minutes when a woman and a couple in a dark vehicle appeared from the road in front of the van almost simultaneously. I could describe the woman as 5 ft 5 inches - 5ft 6 inches blonde ponytail with a very worried / white face. I only noticed she was casually dressed. I could see that the male who got out of the car was on his mobile phone. We got into conversation as he could speak English and I asked him whether he was looking for a man with a child to which he said yes. He said he had seen the man hit the girl who was her and had turned around to see if he could catch him which was how he had ended up here. I also asked him if he knew about the missing child to which he said yes. I said can we leave it with you and he said 'yes'. He was still on the phone at this time.

We left and returned to the hotel. We went to security to report the matter but the doors were locked. We therefore went to our room and had a coffee watching Sky News. We saw the news that the girl still had not been found and a report of a couple acting suspiciously. We could not settle and returned to security and woke him up and explained the situation, after which we returned to the pick -up and saw it and the woman still there. At this point the security guard said leave it with me and initially we did. However after a while we had not had anybody call so we went back down and spoke to the security man who stated he had spoke to the woman who said she had a family argument over not being able to find a child minder, and he had to leave the van there for the boss to pick it up. We were incensed by this in light of what was on the news and Richard asked for the Police and contacted them himself.

Signed:
S McCluskey
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 08:25:PM
Richard McCluskey 09-05-2007 re Van Man Carrying Child
127-128 Deposition Richard McCluskey 09-05-2007 re Van Man Carrying Child
05 01 Apensos Vol 1 Page 127-128

Deposition: Richard McCluskey
Age 61
Retired

Statement Date 09th May 2007

On Saturday 05 May 2007 at approximately 01.50hrs I was with my wife Susan in the holiday resort of ALVOR, PORTUGAL. We were walking up the bank from the town of Alvor in order to return to our hotel, known as the Clube Alvorferias, after a night out. As we approached the junction I observed a white ford transit vehicle drive up the bank and stop well away from the kerb in the junction turning right, blocking traffic turning right. I would describe the vehicle as a flatbed 'transit' van with a white cab area with white metal fold down side flaps/boards. I recognise the type of vehicle as I used to drive one. I did not notice whether it had any identifying marks of advertising on it.

As it had caught our attention I stopped and watched. I then observed a dark skinned male, well built, dark hair (page 1) get out of the vehicle and begin to stagger up the bank in a drunken manner. I could not see much detail because it was dark but I could see that he had cradled a child of about 3-4 years over his left shoulder. Again I could not give anything else due to the darkness but it was clear that the child was not making any noise, or crying, or appear in distress. There was no movement at all.

I was aware that a child was missing in the area and therefore went and took the registration of the vehicle, which my wife wrote initially on her hand and later on a piece of paper.

I watched him stagger approx 200m up the bank and then turn right on a road into a complex area. It was at this point that the situation appeared very strange and so we decided to take the vehicle number.

As we were taking the number a woman appeared half running towards the van from the road on which the van was parked. She was clearly in distress and upon seeing us began to talk in Portuguese. We could not understand her and at this point we were the only other people on the street; but as we were talking a young Portuguese couple appeared from (page 2) the same direction as the woman in a small red vehicle and stopped. The male came over and was able to speak good English he translated what the woman was saying. In the conversation it became apparent that the couple had observed the male with the child in a situation further up the road and had seen the man hit the woman and had driven around the block and found the woman with us. He said he had phoned the police. Thinking everything was alright we left the couple, woman and van in situ and entered our apartment.

Upon entering the apartment we put on Sky news and became aware of a news report about a young couple acting suspiciously in relation to the disappearance of the British child. I therefore went to thhe complex and informed them of what I had seen and gave him the registration on a piece of paper. We then returned to the area and saw the woman and the vehicle still in place. I returned to the apartment and after an hour hadn’t heard anything so I contacted the police. Eventually I got through to an English speaker and explained what had happened. The police stated they were sending someone to reception. I decided to go down and wait for them. As I got downstairs I could see two police in a patrol vehicle outside reception. The officers spoke English and I explained the situation and gave them another copy of the registration which we had written down. They told me they were dealing or had dealt with the situation. Then at about 03.15 we checked the area again and the van and woman had gone.

I can confirm that the registration was 3893 VL for the transit vehicle. I have also produced a hand-drawn map of the local area which I now produce as RMC/1.

Signed
R. McCluskey
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 08:35:PM
GNR Antonio Duarte 16-05-07
1315-1317 Deposition GNR Antonio Duarte 16-05-07 re Abductor Shutter Murat etc
05-Processos Vol V Pages 1315-1317
Witness Deposition: Antonio Henrique da Conceicao Duarte
Date: 2007/05/16
Antonio Henrique da Duarte Conceicao
Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR office since 1982. He holds the post of sergeant and is currently the Commander of the Lagos GNR Post.

At about 23.10/23.17 he heard from a telephone call from the Patrol Commander, Officer Roque, that there had been a disappearance at the OC resort, P da L.

Roque was on duty that day with Officer Nelson Costa.

He was told that Roque had already gone to main reception of the complex in Rua Direita and had met the father of the little girl who had appeared in the reception with a friend. Together with employee Silvia (service manager of the OC and who also acted as translator, the father (Gerald McCann) and the friend they went inside the apartment from which Madeleine McCann had disappeared. After Roque checked that the child was not in the apartment, he gathered information from the mother and father. He was told by the patrol, that the father had put forward a theory saying that it could have been an abduction. He was also told that there was a shutter that had been 'raised'.

The witness, from the description and supposed seriousness of the facts related, ordered the immediate preservation of the scene, and said he would go to the site and communicate the facts to the PJ (this was done from the Post, he does not remember which officer did this but thinks it was Officer Patricio).

He arrived alone, in his own car at about 23.50 and went to the apartment (to the entrance hall) by means of the front door (opposite the parking area) where he found the girl's parents, a couple and Silvia. He was told that the twins were still sleeping in the bedroom. On the patio next to the front door, was an English woman who had spoken to the patrol, and had referred to having seen someone pass in the street, in a dark area, who was carrying a child. As the information had already been gathered and given his limited knowledge of English, he did not manage to talk to the woman.

At the scene, he talked directly to the patrol and to Silvia who informed him about what had been said. His hope was that the child had left the apartment alone and got lost or that someone had seen her and stayed with her temporarily.

He gave orders to the post so that they would send more officers to the scene, amongst them he remembers Officers Pimentel, Costa, Silva, Santos, Casimiro and Neto. He ordered one officer from the patrol to stay on the scene - Officer Costa. He then contacted the interim commander in Portimao, Lieutenant Bengala. He then went with Roque to several establishments that were still open and also patrolled the zone, in his car and on foot.

He had contact with several people, individually and as groups, obtaining information about the search results. He cannot say whom these people were.

Between 05.30 and 06.00 he went home, returning at 08.00.

He say he does not know Murat, and does not have the notion of having seen him before Friday 4th May at the mobile post installed at Rua Agostinho da Silva.

The first he knew about the existence of Murat was of an active individual who offered his help to translate some information/contacts with people who arrived at the mobile post, also offering to make a bridge with the OC.

He remembers that on a certain day, which he cannot specify, a journalist whom he cannot identify, informed him that amongst the Portuguese and foreign journalists at the scene, suspicion was 'running' about Robert Murat. Together with Officer Sequeira he informed the PJ to transmit this information.

On the following day, in the morning, he remembers that Robert Murat arrived at the mobile post saying that he noticed the journalists's suspicion about him and gave his mobile number and told him that he was going to discuss this with the PJ and that he was going to have 'dinner'.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies and signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 08:40:PM
Deposition Nuno de-Jesus 05-05-07
161-167 Deposition Nuno de-Jesus 05-05-07 re Pervy Camera Man
01-Processos Volume I Pages 161-167
Deposition: Nuno Manuel Lourenco De Jesus
Date: 05th May 2007
Time: 16H30
Place: DIC Portimao
Officer responsible: Joao Carlos, Inspector
Profession: Domestic worker
Place of work:

That he comes to the process as a witness and states:
He is of Portuguese nationality but immigrated to Germany 14 years ago. He married a German citizen in Denmark. He has two children, whose names are L*******., almost three years old and a girl whose name is L*****, who is almost four years old.

He was on holiday in Portugal from the 22nd of April until the 13th of the current month. He stayed with his mother who lives in Sagres, and was accompanied by his two children and his wife B******, who does not speak Portuguese.

On the 29th of the past month, after he had returned his rental car, he walked (since it was close by) to Mareta beach in Sagres. He arrived there around 15H00. He and his family went to the play area. Between 16H00 and 17H00, he cannot be more precise, he noticed a male individual holding a small silver-coloured camera who, in a disguised fashion, was taking pictures of his children. He speaks of 'disguised fashion' as the individual, instead of holding the camera to his face, was taking pictures from the abdominal area of his body. The witness overheard the 'clicking' noise when pictures were taken.

After having taken three or four pictures of his children, he verified that that the individual took more pictures of two male children, nine and five years of age. These were children of a couple who were at the witness's side and who were playing with a ball. He knows of them as they live in Sagres, a short distance from his mother. He does not know their names.

For this reason, he supposes that his children were photographed to be abducted or to be used for illicit reasons. He began looking at the individual indignantly and aggressively and the same individual taking the pictures then left the area. But even before this, the individual took more pictures of the four children in a disguised fashion, and of others with the camera to his face. This individual also got on his knees on the sand to take additional pictures.

After leaving the area, the witness did not see the individual and did not again think about the incident.

At around 18H00/18H30, as it got a bit colder, they left the beach and headed toward the esplanade to buy sweets at a pastry shop called 'Marreiros', about 400 metres from the beach, in Sagres. As he and his family were sitting (the witness was having a coffee), he saw the same individual passing the pastry shop and heading toward the outer perimeter of the esplanade. He noticed that the individual constantly looked at the children and entered the shop, but left immediately after. At this moment, his daughter, began racing around the tables as they were ready to leave.

Seeing this, the individual began to walk rapidly toward the witnesses daughter crossing the witnesses family as they were departing. Luckily or by chance, the witness's daughter stopped next to the witness as it appeared the individual tried to stop them from leaving, and once again entered the pastry shop and again left without buying anything. This same individual left toward the back of a kiosk which exists in the area. Shaken by this situation, and without the least doubt that the individuals intention was to abduct this daughter, he got out his mobile and began taking various pictures of the individual, from the front, and in such a way that the individual would clearly see that the witness was taking pictures. This did not work however, as the witness had his finger on the lens of the mobile camera. Even though the individual had left the kiosk area, he noticed that the individual had now situated himself next to the wheel of a grey- coloured, recent model Renault Clio. The witness noted the registration plate on a piece of paper which he eventually discarded, as will be explained later in this statement. This individual was accompanied by a woman, sitting in the passenger seat. The witness managed to take a picture of the vehicle which he handed over to the police, and which is now exhibited. The picture is recorded as having been taken at 18H08 on 29/04/2007.

After taking the picture of the vehicle, with the date/time stamp recorded by the mobile phone, a few minutes later the couple in question left in the direction of the Sagres Fortaleza. Thinking that the recorded license plate would no longer be of any use, the witness threw paper in the rubbish or on the ground.

Yesterday, the 4th, he went to a rental car agency. The name of the agency was TURINFO, and is located in Sagres. It was around 13H00. The employee present told them to return at 13H30, at which time the manager would arrive. He proceeded to a bar called 'Rasa dos Ventos' where he ordered a coffee to pass the time. At a later point, looking outward, he saw the same individual, dressed in exactly the same fashion, but without a hat. This same individual left and he did not see him again, nor did he see his car. It appeared that the individual was alone and on foot.

Upon returning home, he recounted the story to his wife who told him to go to the police as they had already heard about the disappearance of Madeleine. The witnesses daughter bears a striking resemblance to Madeleines images.
That very morning, the witness contacted the police and told them what had happened.

Of the vehicle registration plate, he only remembered the partial plate numbers AV and 67.

In so far as the suspect is concerned, he describes him as masculine, Caucasian with Latin colouring, curly dark brown hair that ran to his neck and in a pony tail. He was between 35/40 years of age, of medium complexion, and around 170 to 175 cm in height. He did not have any particular marks or signals and did not wear rings or other jewellery. He wore a cream coloured beach hat. He also wore dark glasses.

He wore cloth trousers and a coat/jacket of the same material which was cream coloured. Almost the same colour to the hat he had worn previously. His shoes were dark brown: the type that need to be shined or polished.

As regards the woman with the individual, as he saw her seated in the vehicle, he can only state that she had short hair which appeared to be white in colour and very shiny. In the sitting position, her head was below the car head rest. She appeared to be skinny and Caucasian. She did not use glasses. He can say no more as she was difficult to see.

When questioned, the witness states that he could recognise the individual in person and from a photograph or sketch .

At this moment, the interview is interrupted to show the witness photographs of individuals with similar physical characteristics.

These were returned to the investigators with negative result, as confirmed in the appendix.

There are no additional elements to offer the investigation.

Nothing more was said, reads , ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2019, 08:44:PM
Deposition Jane Tanner 10-05-07
919-931 Deposition Jane Tanner 10-05-07
932 Consent for mouth swab for Jane M. Tanner 2007.05.10
Processo Vol IV Page 919-932

AUTO examination of witnesses
Date diligence: 2007/05/10 Time: 16h35m
Name: Jane Michelle Tanner
Natural Town: England County: England
Nationality: English Date of birth: 1971 /**/**
Marital Status:
Domestic Partnership Occupation: Marketing Manager

Since she is English and does not understand the Portuguese language, neither spoken nor written, this official document was made with a translator, Fi.Ma.da Co.Si. in attendance.

She met her companion/husband about 10/11 years ago having begun to live with him as his wife a short time after.

About 4 years before, through her companion ROB, who at that time was a colleague of GM (Gerry; father of MBM), she met the McCann couple. One of the reasons for the closeness between the two couples, besides the professional acquaintance, both ROB and GM are medical doctors, was the fact they have children, MBM and El. OB, of approximately the same age. Another very important reason was the fact that FP is a common friend of both couples (FP worked with KHM), she having facilitated the relationship.

As for meeting with the McCann's she said sporadic meetings have already occurred between the group, recalling that the first trip they made together was when FP and DP were married in Italy in August 2003. She thinks that all the people in the present group were at the wedding recalling that the McCanns, at that time, had only one child (the missing MBM).

Since she became a mother (of El.OB, almost 4 years old), she went to Italy to the above wedding; to Germany to visit a friend (a former colleague of ROB, named B.D. - she was a trainee at the place where her husband worked in England). Also she went to Australia in Nov/Dec 2006 for six weeks. On that trip she went with only her companion and the two girls.

In May 2005 she was in Greece for one week with ROB and her daughter. It was the first time they travelled using the Mark Warner agency.

Also they had had holidays in England in August 2004 (Cornwall) and April 2006 (Longleat nature reserve). Those holidays were spent solely with DP and FP, and their respective children.

With the McCann's they began to meet at parties, for example weddings and birthdays. She met KH's mother, whose name she does not recall, on MBM's third birthday last year, but she didn't get to know any of the other McCann family members, knowing that both had siblings but not knowing other details.

This was the first time that all four couples had holidayed together.

She knows that, in Sept 2005, the McCanns and the Paynes holidayed together in Majorca, she not having joined them because of her advanced state of pregnancy.

The deponent was in Portugal three time before. The first was some eight years ago and the the second five years ago, both with her husband in Albufeira and both were holidays. The third time in January 2004 was for work near Vilamoura. She came to organise an event for the company where she worked, "Fisher Scientific" in Leicester.

Asked about her private life she said that she never had marital problems with her companion, saying that she believes it is "100%" at all levels.

As for the professional life of GM, that he is a cardiologist, and of her companion ROB, that he works/specialises in 'Emergencies' said her husband never had any disciplinary or criminal action in relation to his profession.

About GM, on this subject she does not knows if he had any problem at any time.

FP and DP were the people who had the idea to come to Portugal for holidays. They chose the time because it was cheaper, and less heat for the children. They took only one week of holiday, where they intended to return home/to work on the last Saturday and Tuesday, respectively. Monday was a public holiday in UK.

They caught the plane directly from Gatwick to Faro at 08:30 on 28 May 2007. The agency that organised it was Mark Warner. They arrived at Faro airport at 10:00. They went to the "Ocean Club" tourist complex in Praia da Luz-Lagos in a Mark Warner bus. The journey was made with her companion and daughters together with the Oldfield couple, Matthew and Rachael, along with their daughter.

As for the Payne and McCann couples, they journeyed by plane from East Midlands to Faro, having arrived around 11h00. They took a taxi from Faro to Luz arriving at 12h00 also on 28 May.

On the plane they did not know anyone specific, allowing as usual, for someone with children to have introduced themselves and make some comment. On the other hand, she recalls one couple on the plane who changed seats because her girls were making a lot of noise, which is normal because, like all kids, they are very restless.

On arrival the rooms were already assigned, having asked, when buying the holiday in England, to stay in apartments close to one another. The only change needed was, due to the children, the flights at different times as said above.

As for the holidays, on the first day (Saturday, 28 April 2007) they had dinner in the complex, making their way to Restaurant Millenium. No-one booked dinner at that restaurant, all, including the children, having gone for dinner around 18h00.

The Millenium used to serve dinner on other days (except Saturday) only from 19:30 and, for this reason, they decided to start dining at the Tapas, seeing that, in addition to the above, they would be closer to the apartments. This was discussed at the table in the Millenium on the first night.

Dinner was taken at the Tapas in order to be closer to the apartments where the children were sleeping.

At first dinner was booked each day having later been arranged as a permanent booking for 20h30 until the end of the stay.

It is normal (culturally, traditionally, education/examples seen) English tourists to leave, for some time, their small children alone in the bedroom/apartment to sleep while the parents are absent, normally guaranteeing that it is done for short periods of time (15/30 minutes). At those times there is a sporadic check, in time, of the places where the children are.

She admitted that on her holiday in Greece she also left her daughters alone in the apartment knowing that there were two or three child-minders in the block where they stayed to take care of/ascertain the noises (screams, cries, or other), incumbent upon to notify the parents who, meanwhile, were absent. Those holidays were also organised by Mark Warner.

Since it was asked of her, she affirmed that she had no knowledge that the McCanns had left the patio sliding door open, suspecting, however, that they did because she saw, several times, the couple climb the steps at the rear of the apartment. She never entered apartments of other couples limiting herself only to listen for any noise, putting her ear to the children's bedroom window at the front of the apartment. Only with her own children did she enter the apartment, in all others she limited herself to listen at the doors to see if there was any noise. She thinks that all the other couples entered by the front doors of the building/apartments, except for the McCanns. She is not sure if they always entered the apartment from the rear.

Questioned, she relates that, from memory, she always saw the blinds of the McCann apartment totally closed, it being a place where she placed her ear to know if any of them were asleep.

Personally, in relation to her daughters, she has not habitually adopted this posture, namely, to leave them alone, having done it only because all the couples of the group did it. However she locked all the doors, also the external blind of the children's bedroom.

As for the security methods effected by the adults in relation to the children, when they went to dinner and the children remained sleeping in the apartments, the deponent clarifies that, in the first days each couple went in rotation to check their own children. As days passed they were asking one of the members who had stood up if they had heard any noise at their apartment.

However, the deponent and her husband maintained regular checks on their own children.

They were always on foot, having no motor vehicle, own or rented. Movements were never far as the group always remained in the complex or its surrounds (the beach or supermarket). Activities were in Praia da Luz and organised by Mark Warner.

In the tourist complex last Sunday, 30 April, she net a couple she knew from Exeter, Jim and C. G., with their son of 20 months, B.G. She knew they had travelled on the same day as her, on a different flight. Asked, she relates that they had a hired car, not knowing the brand, model or colour. He (Jim) liked to surf and that was why he had hired the car.

Not untrusting, she never suspected that anyone might do harm to any of the children, never having observed any behaviour by clients, workers or other people with the group or children.

Of the group only DP and FP knew/had been to her home at the above address in Exeter. None of the other group members had ever been to her home.

About 2 May, the day before the disappearance of MBM, from memory, at 09h00 the deponent had a tennis lesson with Kate.

Every day they had breakfast at the Millenium restaurant and only afterwards did they take the children, on foot, to Kids Club, it being that ROB took El to Mini Club and she took Ev.

Questioned about the route that the McCanns took with their children to Kids Club (since they took breakfast in the apartment), she said she did not know.

At 10h10 the children at Kids Club, her daughter El (plus Madeleine), a total on six children including them, also had a tennis lesson. The responsible adults at the time were Cat and Georgina (the tennis instructor). Kate was, together with the deponent, watching the lesson of their respective girls. The witness left before the class ended, not recalling if KM left at the same time or later.

She went to the beach where she met DP and FP. She and other members of the group made the acquaintance of, in the course of their tennis classes, a lady called O., the deponent's husband, ROB, also knew the lady's husband named Rob from windsurf classes. The couple were also guests at the complex. That morning, after having been to her daughter's tennis class, the deponent went to the beach meeting Rob there. From what she knows, the couple Rob and O. have two children (a girl of 3 years and a younger child, not knowing if it was a boy or girl). She thinks they were Londoners. They were "normal" people.

While she was sailing, her husband stayed at home with Ev who was sick and indisposed. Questioned, she relates that this type of behaviour is normal with the British, namely, it is not necessary for both adults to sacrifice themselves when children are sick. The usual procedure in these situations is for them to divide the time and the tasks between them.

She recalls that after the boat trip she was with her husband and girls, all having gone to lunch at the apartment of FP and DP. She is not sure but thinks that MO and RMO also lunched with them in the apartment. She does not know where the McCanns lunched.

After lunch, after they took El to Kids Club, ROB went to the beach for a canoe class while she rested in the bedroom with Ev. After her daughter woke up she went with her to the children's play area ("slides") next to the pool.

She doesn't remember, but as GM usually had tennis classes every afternoon, she thinks that he could have been on the court. As for KM, she does not know if she saw her during the afternoon.

As usual at 17:00, they were at the children's tea with Kate, the time at which they would go to find [pick up] the children. With Kate and Gerry she went to the tennis courts where the adults and children of the group played and played, respectively, with each other. They were at the courts until 19h00. At that time the men of the group (though she was not sure if GM was there) stayed a while longer to play tennis, the women went to their respective apartments to get ready for bed. 20-30 minutes later the men arrived. They got themselves ready for dinner. At 20h35, as El didn't want to sleep, ROB went to the restaurant alone. Around 20h45, El fell asleep and the deponent also left for the restaurant. When she arrived everyone else was already there, except for Rachael who was feeling poorly and stayed in her apartment. Her husband, MO, was at the restaurant. She doesn't recall if DP and FP were already there. It is usual for them to always be last to arrive, since they were always late.

About dinner, she relates that nothing abnormal happened regarding the checking of the bedrooms, it having been done in turns as usual.

Questioned about an episode where she related that one of the twins, Sean, and MBM (both children of GM and KH), had cried in the night (the one prior to the events) she said she knew of that situation but only from the beginning of dinner on 3 May when KH commented at the table that MBM had, that morning, asked the reason why her parents had not come to the bedroom when she and her brother had cried (the previous night). Asked, she says that none of the adults were aware of that situation on the night that it supposedly occurred.

On Wednesday (2 May), after the dinner that went as normal, like the previous days, they had stayed later to have a drink at the bar returning to their apartments close to midnight.

As for 3 May she related in the same manner exactly the same activities/routines/times of that day, as had been described in her previous testimony. The times/intervals were exhaustively confirmed.

Requested to clarify certain details she said:
To confirm that the first time that she went to the beach with the children was 3 May in the morning. Only on 3 May (Thursday) afternoon she met the group, almost all, in Prais da Luz, except for the McCanns because they had a private tennis class together.

Around 17h15 she saw KH "jogging" on the beach and waved to her.

Her husband ROB, MO and DP left the beach a little earlier they having gone to the tennis courts, it was the night of the men's tennis. When she, together with the friends and children, returned from the beach, at 18h20, they went to the tennis courts having seen that all the men, including GM, were on the court. They stayed to talk to them them for about 20/30 minutes. GM comported himself as usual.

She thinks that KH was in the apartment getting the children ready for bed.

Around 19h00 each one went to their apartment with the children. She bathed her daughters, she read them a story, she put them to bed. Ev was sick and had difficulty with sleeping stayed with her father, who had arrived in the meantime, (on the previous night the deponent stayed later in the bedroom because her daughter had difficulty in sleeping; on this night it was her husband's turn). She left the apartment and went to the Tapas, for dinner, around 20h30.

When she arrived at the restaurant there were already some adult members of the group, namely the McCanns, without their children, who were apparently sleeping.

Around 21h00 her husband arrived at the restaurant, Ev, meanwhile, having fallen asleep.

As usual, the Paynes and mother, were late. A few minutes to 21h00 MO left the restaurant and went to the apartment area, saying that he would 'hurry up' the couple that was already late enough. She related that MO, on the way, took the opportunity and looked in on the children's bedrooms. She relates that MO passed the Paynes and DW on the way, but, benefiting from them already being up and on their way, he made a circuit to listen at the homes, detecting nothing abnormal.

They ordered dinner and waited for the starters when, about 21h10, GM left the restaurant having gone to the apartment to see his children. Five or ten minutes later the deponent left, having gone to her apartment to check that all was well with her girls. At that time she observed GM talking to an English citizen called Jez that they had met on these holidays. He played tennis with them. She doesn't know if they saw her giving the assurance that, on her part, she did not start a conversation with either of them.

She passed them knowing that GM had already been in the apartment to see the children.

She doesn't recall the position/orientation of either Jez or GM while they spoke to each other on the street, only having the perception that one was on the pavement and the other was in the road next to the other. Jez had a baby carriage, the deponent knowing that he had a small child.

Prompted, she clarified that the reason she left, following GM only 5/10 minutes later, she relates that she did it because she knew that he would only go to his apartment, reiterating that she checked her daughters regularly.

Questioned about the path she took on the way to her home, she relates that she left the reception at the entrance to the Tapas/pool area and went up the pavement to the corner, having entered the apartment by the front door, which was, as already stated, locked. The only access to the interior of the home is by that door, seeing that the windows and the sliding patio door to the lounge were locked from the inside, it being this way that they are only passable if they are opened, also from the inside.

When asked; the route of GM to his home when he went to check on his children, she relates that she does not know, but that she knows that he, at times, accessed the home by the glass lounge door which was only closed but not locked. She explains that this was the easiest and fastest way to enter the McCann apartment as they have a stairway up to the veranda which is next to the pavement, thereby saving half the distance. Questioned, she relates that all the couples had to access their respective apartments by the front door, except the McCann's since they were the only ones who left the glass door unlocked.

Prompted to say if she checked the state of the windows and external blinds of the McCann children's bedroom when she went to her house, she relates that no, she did not look in that direction, hence they might already have been open without her having noticed.

After having gone to see the child she returned to the restaurant. On her return GM was no longer talking where she had seen him.

When she arrived at the restaurant GM was already seated at the table accompanied by his wife KH and all the others.

Between 15 to 20 minutes later her husband ROB and MO left, together, and went to see their respective children. As her daughter Ev was restless and crying ROB stayed in the bedroom.

Meanwhile, MO went to check his children and those of GM and KH. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see MBM probably because he did not enter the bedroom. As he heard no noise he left presupposing that all was well, returning to the restaurant. MO told her that ROB had stayed in the bedroom.

After having quickly eaten the main course she went to the apartment to take the place of her husband so that he could finish his meal. Her husband returned to the restaurant. Some time later, she doesn't know precisely how long, she looked through the lounge window towards the restaurant area, ascertaining, strangely, that there was no-one seated at the table it being that it was still very early for all of them to have already finished the meal. Later she heard voices of KH and FP who were in the corridor in front of the bedroom windows and who called, desperately, for Madeleine. When she saw her it was KH herself who told the deponent that Madeleine had disappeared, not clarifying in what circumstances, continuing her search. The deponent stayed in her apartment because her daughter, El, was asleep and the smallest, Ev, was still awake and complaining.

As it was asked of her she relates that she did not go into the McCann apartment therefore she does not know the state of the bedroom nor any details of what happened that night. Now, already she had heard many versions or theories of what could have happened, but, for her part, she can only affirm that the man that she saw carrying the child was, in her belief, associated with the disappearance of MBM.

She was then confronted with the fact that when her husband ROB and MO went to check their respective children the window already might have been open and MBM probably no longer in her bed. She clarifies that she cannot answer for them but thinks that MO had not entered the McCann children's bedroom, limiting himself to hear that there was no crying and that the twins were in their beds. Asked if he couldn't have checked for noise at the bedroom window, as had been done many times, the deponent clarifies that MO had assured the parents that he would go to check the state of the children from inside the house. For this he went up the pavement to the main entrance of the apartments, entered house and turned to leave, descended the pavement again to the rear entrance of the McCann flat, climbed the steps and accessed the lounge through the glass door (that was not locked). Anyway, a better understanding of these details can only be provided by MO himself.

Confronted with the information that the dog teams had followed/followed the scent trails in which, purportedly, MBM had not passed the intersection where she indicated a man carried a child, she affirmed, immediately, that she was not lying, maintaining the honesty of her initial version. That, indeed, there had passed in front of her a man carrying, in his arms, a barefoot child. At the time she had not paid him much attention because it is common, at the OC, for children to pass in the arms of their parents between the creche and their respective homes, when they have collected them from the baby-sitting service. Only it was strange that the child had no cover (blanket) and the way the man walked, rapidly, and how he was dressed, the trousers were slightly wide their entire length, being straight. These were an identical "corticine" colour chino style. As for the coat it was dark coloured, she was not able to specify what, seeming to be a similar material as the trousers, it being a type of "anorak". As for the footwear she relates that she cannot confirm with certainty but his shoes had a light heel colour.

As to the description of the child, she confirmed that it was being carried in his arms, with the legs in her direction and had barefeet. She thought that it was a female child because the pyjamas were a light colour (seemingly pink to her). She never saw the hair of the child. She never saw it move nor make any sound, thinking that it was asleep.

Subsequently, she had no doubts that it could have been MBM because, through conversations with FP in which she described the pyjamas MBM was wearing that night, which coincided with those she had previously seen. Questioned why she had not commented to KH what she had seen that night, namely that she had seen a male individual who carried a child with pink pyjamas, she relates that she always avoided making this comment to the McCanns so as not to torture them more in their suffering.

She swore "by everything most sacred" that what she said is true, namely that she saw an individual with a child in his arms. Confronted, she demonstrated the distance at which the man with the child had passed her, and that was gauged to be about 5 metres.

She accepts that, at that moment, although the event had called her attention, she didn't lay any great stress on it for the reasons already explained.

Regarding the most and best information that might help the present investigation she said she remembered on one night (she thinks it was Tuesday, 1 May) there were two couples, supposedly English, that dined in the Tapas restaurant. After [their meal] they left, [JT] not knowing if they participated in the quiz game that Mark Warner put on during the meal. The game consisted of a MW worker asking questions about films, namely quotations with the objective of identifying the films. At the end the tables were given a questionnaire that gave the source and a result. The first prize was a jug of sangria, curiously won by the deponent's table. She remembered only the agency lady commented on the the two couples who had left the game before the final result was known.

She never saw those couples before nor since that day. She does not know if they were Mark Warner clients.

Prompted to clarify which member of the group booked the first dinner at Tapas she responded that she did not know. She clarifies that, that morning, she played tennis with Kate going, at the end of the game, to the restaurant to make the booking. She recalls that, when they arrived there, the booking was already made and she had not questioned who had made it. Asked if it would have been her companion ROB who booked that meal, on his own initiative, she relates that it could have been done by any other person but considers an excessively organised disposition would have done it, usual of her companion.

On these holidays, she never met nor dined (along with the rest of the group) with any family or person having the surname "Irwin".

Other than RMO, as already stated previously, only on the first day (Saturday night) was there a group member, MO, feeling indisposed (ill) and not having eaten dinner on Sunday. On Monday he had recovered.

When asked egarding security procedures relating to the children, the deponent clarifies that the Paynes were the only ones who never went to their apartment because they had, at the table, an intercom device of good quality and power/range that allowed them to hear any noise caused by their children. She adds that, from memory, it was the first time they had used the device on holidays but it is a common procedure in their home, as the deponent has seen for herself.

Questioned, she reaffirms that she doesn't have any suspicion to put forward - other than the individual referred to as carrying a child in his arms - she doesn't recall any detail or situation that might be related to the disappearance of small MBM.

Asked, she relates that she does not recall any incident or argument between any of the couples, or any of the group members individually, nor between them and any third parties. Until the 'unsuccessful/failed' disappearance of MBM, the holidays had been peaceful and fun, like all such other holidays of the group of friends.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 08:55:AM
Report on Visualisation and Analysis of Photographs

On this date, I can inform that photographs from a CD provided by Leicestershire police were visualised and analysed, these referred to photographs taken by the F***** family during their holidays at the OC between the 28th April and 5th May 2007.

Upon analysing these photos, the result was that there was at least one photograph where some of the elements making up the group of friends of the McCann couple were visualised, nothing relevant being found for the investigation.

Portimao, 23rd May 2007.

Inspector

Ricardo Paiva
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 08:57:AM
Incident History Records

8th May 2007


Email received from Leicestershire police


Would you kindly permit an officer to visit Mrs F*****?. She has recently been on holiday to the MW complex and is in possession of video footage taken by her husband. It is understood that the footage is currently contained on their home computer. The allocated officer will need to review the footage and all footage of the complex should be downloaded onto a suitable storage disc. Mr F**** has indicated that it probably only consists of a thirty second pan of the playground area/pool area/Tapas bar. Mr and Mrs F are not technically competent to download the data. Please statement accordingly re exhibit continuity.

I have spoken to Mr F this morning and he has been advised that local officers will make contact with his wife.

If possible please send a copy to me for initial viewing in the Incident Room
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 09:00:AM
PHOTOGRAPHS Outros Apensos - 3 Volume III - Apenso VIII
97 pages of images; mostly black and white silhouettes; many duplicates.

TRANSLATION BY ALBYM

They are my own descriptions, and yes, almost all of the B&W (non-grey scale) images do not readily permit identification of the individual. They were created for the PDF using what is is known as 'pure Black and White' scanning/printing - there are no other colours whatsoever in the images.

File notes - 9 May:
PDF Apenso Desc.

12  549    Analysis of CD delivered by GM
13  550    Analysis of CD delivered by M Wright
14  551    Image grouping index: (1)Apartments; (2)Ocean Club; (3)Beach
15  552    Blank page
16  553    Receipt of images dated 8 May
17  554    Receipt of images dated 8 May (same words; different signature)
18  555    Blank page
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08-OUTROS APENSOS 8 VOLUME 3 Pages 556 to 565
Group (1) Apartments
BLACK AND WHITE (NOT GREY SCALE)
Page   Rotate  Image

Scarlet Payne baby, dark hair + clip..white jumpsuit page 556, 586a, 588a, 590b,  594a c, 597c, 603b, 604a, 608c with DP + tunnel toy, 612 a, 613
556-T   R-90   Adult with baby; upstairs
556-B   R-90   Adult with baby; upstairs
557-T   180    Child in teddy bear shirt
557-BL  R-90   DP with children on lap
557-BR  R-90   DP with children on lap
558-TL  0      Seated baby
558-TR  0      Child at patio door lock
558-B   R-90   Child at patio door
559-TL  0      Girl, sunglasses, juice, food, crossword, towel
559-TR  0      JT with baby; upstairs balcony
559-B   R-90   DP with child in lap at table
560-T   180    DP with children in lap
560-BL  R-90   DP with child in lap
560-BR  R-90   DP with child in lap
561-TL  0      Adult with baby; upstairs
561-TR  L-90   FP & DW with children; upstairs
561-B   R-90   DW with baby; upstairs
562-T   ????   Almost totally black
562-B   ???? Child in pyjamas/sheet? with small animals design
563-T   0  Child in teddy bear shirt (dupl 557-T)
563-B   0   Adult on upstairs balcony
564     0    Adults with children at table in flat
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08-OUTROS APENSOS 8 VOLUME 3 Pages 565  to 572

GREY SCALE IMAGES

565-T   0      DP with children in lap (dupl 557-BR)
565-B   0      DP with children in lap (dupl 557-BL)
566-T   0      DP with child in lap (dupl 560-BL)
566-B   0      DP with children in lap (dupl 560-T)
567-T   R-90   DP with child in lap at table (dupl 559-B)
567-B   0      DP with child in lap (dupl 560-BR)
568-T   R-90   Girl, sunglasses, juice, food, crossword, towel (dupl 559-TL)
568-B   R-90   JT with baby; upstairs balcony (dupl 559-TR)
569-T   0      Sunrise?; large cloud; upstairs balcony
569-B   0      Child; sunglasses; juice; food
570-T   R-90   Child at patio door (dupl 558-B)
570-B   0      Tapas vista; upstairs
571-T   R-90   Seated baby (dupl 558-TL)
571-B   R-90   Child at patio door lock (dupl 558-TR)
572-T   R-90   Adult with baby; upstairs (dupl 561-TL)
572-B   0      FP & DW with children; upstairs (dupl 561-TR)
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08-OUTROS APENSOS 8 VOLUME 3 Pages 573  to 584

BLACK AND WHITE (NO GREY SCALE)

573-T   0      Rooftop vista
573-B   0      Main swimming pool
574-T   0      Adult seated; upstairs balcony
574-B   R-90   Child standing at upstairs balcony railing
575-T   R-90   Doorway?
575-B   R-90   FP close-up?; upstairs balcony
576-T   R-90   Child in starry pyjamas/shirt?
576-B   R-90   Child in starry pyjamas/shirt (close-up)
577     ????   ???? NO IDEA ????
Madeleine: pink tracksuit, seen with Lily . Pages: 578c running, 587a, 588b, 591a, 599b, 599c, 608b, 609a, 601b Lily, pinky striped top, blue jeans   seen with Maddy pages: 578c running, 585 with Gerry, 588b, 591a, 593a, 599b, 601b, 602a, 608b, 609a,610a, 612b
578-TL  ????   ???? NO IDEA ????
578-TR  ????   Child in pyjamas/sheet? with small animals design (dupl 562-B)
Elli : dress + joggers, fluffly long fair hair,   page 578c far right, 591a, 597, 602b, 610b
Grace Oldfield :  dark bob haircut, bold striped top.  page: 578c, 589a, 590a, 591a, 592a with Matt, 593b, 596a, 602b, 603c, 604c,  606b, 608a with Matt sandals + beach shorts, 610b, 611a, 612 (b), 614 (b)
Sean, airport clothes, olive green striped top, pale trousers, Page: 578c (crouching), 591a, b, 597a,  606a 608b, 614a,
Gerry Matt Fiona p 578c, 591a,
Jane 602c?
578-B   0      Adults & children in play area
579-TL  L-90   Adult on upstairs balcony (dupl 563-B)
579-TR  0      Adult with baby; upstairs (dupl 556-T)
579-B   R-90   Adult with baby; upstairs (dupl 556-B)
580-TL  0      Child standing at upstairs balcony railing (dupl 574-B)
580-TR  L-90   Rooftop vista (dupl 573-T)
580-B   0      Main swimming pool (dupl 573-B)
581-TL  0      Doorway (dupl 575-T)
581-TR  0      FP close-up?; upstairs balcony (dupl 575-B)
581-B   0      Adult seated; upstairs balcony (dupl 574-T)
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08-OUTROS APENSOS 8 VOLUME 3 Pages 585  to 618
Group (2) Ocean Club
BLACK AND WHITE (NOT GREY SCALE)

Page   Rotate  Image

Elli (fair ) and Evie (baby, dark hair )  OBrien family, page  585a,  600c, 602b,
585-T  0       Male adult with two (three?) children next to kiddies (round) pool
585-B  R-90    Adult swinging child in play area
586-T  R-90    Close-up of child
586-B  R-90    Adult, possibly with child, in play area
587-T  R-90    Adult close-up
   Page 587
Page 587 Amelie's backside in playhouse, maroon top and pink-white dacks, 587a 599c MBM
 

587-B  R-90    MBM in play area; arched doorway
588-T  R-90    Small child (baby?) holding up arms

   Page_588
Page 588- MBM taken in Portugal at 17:15 on Wednesday May 2, 2007
 

588-B  0       MBM and other child in play area
Unidentified blonde girl with bob haircut,  589a,b,  604b,  with Grace 604c
589-T  0       Two children; close-up
589-B  0       Close-up of child
590-T  R-90    [Very unclear] possibly MBM in front of arched doorway
590-B  R-90    Close-up of child standing next to adult
591-T  0       Play area; three adults; four children (dupl 578-B)   
591-B  R-90    Child (MBM?) in play area
592-T  R-90    Child with adult
592-B  R-90    Child with adult
5  R-90    Child on slide
593-B  R-90    Child on slide
594-TL L-90    Adult(s) with child(ren); Paraiso
594-TR 0       Fence next to road?
594-B  R-90    Child next to fence
595-T  180     Tennis; 4 men; one serving far end
595-BL R-90    Tennis; tele-lens of serve follow-through
595-BR R-90    Tennis; tele-lens of server in 595-T
596-TL 0       Two children standing at fence
596-TR 0       Adult hand/arm tossing tennis ball?
596-B  0       Adult/child seated in front of water/paving?
597-T  L-90    Adult/child with Block 4 in background
597-BL R-90    Tennis; 4 females
597-BR R-90    Baby lying on grass
598-TL ????    ???? NO IDEA ????
598-TR L-90    Baby crawling on paving?
598-B  R-90    Baby seated
Amelie's backside in playhouse, maroon top and pink-white dacks, 587a, 599c
599-T  L-90    MBM; arched doorway (dupl 587-B)
599-BL 180     Adult male close-up;
599-BR R-90    MBM and other child; play area (dupl 588-B)
600-TL 0       Close-up of child (dupl 586-T)
600-TR 0      Adult, possibly with child, in play area (dupl 586-B)
600-B  0   Male adult with two (three?) children next to kiddies (round) pool (dupl 585-T)
601-TL 0       Adult swinging child in play area (dupl 585-B)
601-TR 0       Adult with MBM and other child; play area
601-B  0       Tennis; Adult (right); child (left); tent?
602-TL 0       Child standing with arms out
602-TR L-90    Adults/children near kiddies pool
602-B  R-90    Adult with baby/small child
603-TL 0       Adult head (left); child (right)
603-TR l-90    Adult & child romping on grass?
603-B  R-90    Child in play area
604-T  L-90    Baby with arms raised (dupl 588-T)
604-BL R-90    Close-up of child (dupl 589-B)
604-BR R-90    Two children; close-up (dupl 589-T)
605-TL L-90    Tapas vista; upstairs (B&W dupl 570-B)
605-TR L-90    Sunrise? (B&W dupl 569-T)
605-B  0       Child at table (B&W dupl 569-B)
606-TL 0       (dupl 591-B)
606-TR 0       (dupl 592-T)
606-B  R-90    (dupl 592-B)
607  MISSING PAGE NUMBER

Page 608

 Family handout photo dated 02/05/2007 of Gerry McCann playing with his children (left to right) Madeleine and Sean (laughing) the day before Madeleine went missing on the evening of May 3.

608-TL L-90    Play area; 'Playground man'
608-TR 0       (dupl 590-T)
608-B  R-90    (dupl 590-B)
609-T  R-90    (dupl 601-TR)
609-B  0       (dupl 601-B)
610-T  R-90    (dupl 602-TL)
610-B  0       (dupl 602-TR)
611-T  R-90    (dupl 602-B)
611-B  R-90    (dupl 603-TL)
612-T  0       (dupl 603-TR)
612-B  R-90    (dupl 603-B)
613-T  0       (dupl 597-BR)
613-B  0       (dupl 597-BL)
614-T  R-90    (dupl 597-T)
614-B  R-90    (dupl 596-T)
615-T  R-90    (dupl 598-TL)
615-B  0       (dupl 598-TR)
616-T  R-90    (dupl 596-TR)
616-B  0       (dupl 596-B)
617-T  R-90    (dupl 594-B)
617-B  0       (dupl 595-BR)
618-T  0       (dupl 595-BL)
618-B  0       (dupl 595-T)
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620 to 658 Pictures of Tapas group

08-OUTROS APENSOS 8 VOLUME 3 Pages 620  to 658
Group (3) Beach
BLACK AND WHITE (NOT GREY SCALE)

Page   Rotate  Image

620-T  R-90    Child on beach? (very obscure)
620-B  0       Paraiso
621-T  R-90    Adult/child on beach
621-B  R-90    Child on beach
622-T  0  Shirt with Blue Peter insignia? (very obscure)
622-B  0  Shirt with Blue Peter insignia, and child in floral dress? (very obscure)
623-T  R-90    Adult standing with child in floral dress
623-B  0       Child in short-sleeved dress
624-T  R-90    Adult with child at water's edge
624-B  R-90    Child in sleeveless vest
625-T  R-90    Adult with baby
625-B  R-90    Child with sand spade
626-T  0       Adults with children at water's edge
626-B  R-90    Adult with baby in floral dress
627-T  R-90    Adult with baby in floral dress
627-B  R-90    Adult male with child
628-T  R-90    Adult female holding baby
628-B  0    Adult with baby in floral dress; passers-by near water
629-T  R-90    Child in sleeveless vest
629-B  0       Adult female holding baby (wide-shot)
630-T  R-90    Small child standing in front of adult's legs
630-B  R-90    Small child held on adult's hip; passer-by in background
631-T  0       Small child/baby on sand
631-B  R-90    Child (foreground); Adult female behind
632-T  0       Baby (floral dress) on sand
632-B  0       Adults and child
633-T  0       Adults and children seated on sand
633-B  R-90    Two adults standing on sand
634-T  ????    ???? NO IDEA ???? (totally obscure)
634-B  R-90    Silhouette at water's edge
635-T  R-90    Child in sleeveless vest
635-B  R-90    Baby (floral) with sun hat
636-TL 0       Baby (sun hat) and child (vest)
636-TR 0       Baby (floral) with sun hat
636-B  0       Two men (not holiday group?)
637-TL ????    ???? Too obscure ????
637-TR L-90    Adult with baby (floral) on sand
637-B  R-90    (dupl 621-T)
638-TL 0       (dupl 624-B)
638-TR 0       (dupl 623-T)
638-B  0       (dupl 623-B)
639-TL 0       (dupl 625-T)
639-TR 0       (dupl 625-B)
639-B  R-90    (dupl 624-T)
640-TL 0       (dupl 627-B)
640-TR L-90    (dupl 626-T)
640-B  R-90    (dupl 626-B)
641-TL 0       (dupl 628-T)
641-TR L-90    (dupl 628-B)
641-B  R-90    (dupl 627-T)
642-TL 0       (dupl 630-B)
642-TR 0       (dupl 629-T)
642-B  0       (dupl 629-B)
643-TL L-90    (dupl 631-T)
643-TR 0       (dupl 631-B)
643-B  R-90    (dupl 630-T)
644-TL 0       Adult with child paddling
644-TR 0       Adult with cliff in background
644-B  R-90    Adult
645-T  R-90    (dupl 561-B) upstairs flat!
645-B  0       Baby sitting on sand
646-T  0       (dupl 636-B)
646-B  R-90    Baby on blanket
647-T  R-90    Child with 'Cheeky' T-shirt (Payne?)
647-B  R-90    (dupl 644-TL)
648-T  R-90    (dupl 644-TR)
648-B  R-90    (dupl 644-B)
649-TL 0       (dupl 633-B)
649-TR L-90    (dupl 632-T)
649-B  0       (dupl 632-B)
650-TL 0       (dupl 634-T)
650-TR 0       (dupl 634-B)
650-B  0       (dupl 633-T)
651-TL 0       (dupl 646-B)
651-TR L-90    Baby with bucket? on head
651-B  0       People near water (obscure)
652-TL 0       (dupl 645-B)
652-TR L-90    (dupl 635-T)
652-B  0       (dupl 635-B)
653  MISSING PAGE NUMBER (numbers in PDF truncated)
654-TL 0       (dupl 621-B)
654-TR 0       (dupl 620-T)
654-B  0       (dupl 620-B)
655-T  R-90    Adult and child standing
655-B  R-90    Adult and child standing
656-T  0       (dupl 651-TR)
656-B  0       (dupl 651-B)
657-T  R-90    (dupl 636-TL)
657-B  R-90    (dupl 636-TR)
658-T  0       (dupl 594-TL)
658-B  R-90    (dupl 594-TR)
549 Letter re analysis of camera belonging to Gerald McCann
550 Letter re analysis of camera belonging to Michael Wright
551 Photograph Report of apartments, ocean club and bea
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 09:43:AM
P.J. POLICE FILES: Danie Krugel
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm
As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value.

Danie Krügel Facts
www.daniekrugelfacts.com/mirror.html
Krugel's device apparently combines quantum physics and global positioning technology to pin-point a body on a map. His invention has already helped solve the riddle of a man reported missing by his family. South African cops had no clue where he was - until Krugel was called in.

Danie Krugel* - Gerry McCanns Blogs
www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id304.htm
Krugel's device apparently combines quantum physics and global positioning technology to pin-point a body on a map. Krugel landed in Praia da Luz with his machine on July 17 and embarked on a four day search - with the blessing of Portuguese detectives.

P.J. POLICE FILES: Danie Krugel
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm
As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value.

Danie Krügel Facts
www.daniekrugelfacts.com
21/08/2013 · Volksblad het in die verlede reeds oor Krugel se apparaat berig. Inventor’s detection device tracks missing girl . City Press , March 18, 2007 . Maryna van Wyk . THIRTY minutes. This is how long it took the Bloemfontein inventor of a human detection device to trace the body of a little girl who had been missing for a day.

Rapport, Oktober 07, 2007 · The Star, January 26, 2008 · Passi Magazine, Spring 2007
Danie Krügel Facts
www.daniekrugelfacts.com/mirror.html
Krugel's device apparently combines quantum physics and global positioning technology to pin-point a body on a map. His invention has already helped solve the riddle of a man reported missing by his family. South African cops had no clue where he was - until Krugel was called in.

Danie Krugel* - Gerry McCanns Blogs
www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id304.htm
Krugel's device apparently combines quantum physics and global positioning technology to pin-point a body on a map. Krugel landed in Praia da Luz with his machine on July 17 and embarked on a four day search - with the blessing of Portuguese detectives.

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Danie Krugel: Visionary or Fraudster?
https://daniekrugel.blogspot.com
27/11/2012 · Danie Krugel is a former policeman from South Africa. Krugel, also known as "The Locator", is known for being a professional bodyfinder. He invented an apparatus he called the Krugel Theory Tester (KTT), which through using Global Positioning Systems and DNA technology can pinpoint the location of anyone in the world; as long as Krugel has an item which contains their DNA e.g. a hair.

The McCanns, Danie Krügel and the 'quantum sniffer machine ...
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/mccanns-danie-krugel-and-quantum.html
19/11/2019 · Krugel has also run into some heavy opposition from the scientific community and from skeptics alike, mainly because he refuses to allow his device to be tested or examined. He says he will only do so once the patent has been registered. Common questions about Krugel and his controversial Matter Oriented System (MOS) equipment are:

Don't trust the bodyfinder - Mirror Online
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dont-trust-the-bodyfinder-511803
08/10/2007 · Don't trust the bodyfinder. Krugel reportedly also first suggested that sniffer dogs be bought in to search the McCann's apartment. It was the sniffer dogs discovery of forensic evidence in the apartment that eventually led to Kate and Gerry, from Rothley, Leics, being officially designated as suspects in the case.

P.J. POLICE FILES: Danie Krugel
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Danie_Krugel.htm
As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value.

Danie Krügel Facts
www.daniekrugelfacts.com
21/08/2013 · Volksblad het in die verlede reeds oor Krugel se apparaat berig. Inventor’s detection device tracks missing girl . City Press , March 18, 2007 . Maryna van Wyk . THIRTY minutes. This is how long it took the Bloemfontein inventor of a human detection device to trace the body of a little girl who had been missing for a day.

Rapport, Oktober 07, 2007 · The Star, January 26, 2008 · Passi Magazine, Spring 2007
Danie Krügel Facts
www.daniekrugelfacts.com/mirror.html
Krugel's device apparently combines quantum physics and global positioning technology to pin-point a body on a map. His invention has already helped solve the riddle of a man reported missing by his family. South African cops had no clue where he was - until Krugel was called in.

Danie Krugel* - Gerry McCanns Blogs
www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id304.htm
Krugel's device apparently combines quantum physics and global positioning technology to pin-point a body on a map. Krugel landed in Praia da Luz with his machine on July 17 and embarked on a four day search - with the blessing of Portuguese detectives.

The Best Kegel Exercise Devices In 2019 – Buyer’s Guide ...
https://www.doctorpicks.org/reviews/kegel-exercise-devices
13/09/2019 · Shopping for kegel exercise device? Read about types, features, and other must-know topics in our best kegel balls guide. Find the best kegel machine based on our professional kegel egg reviews. Read more about which kegel device for home use that is the best for your specific needs. Best Kegel Exercise Devices

Danie Krugel: Visionary or Fraudster?
https://daniekrugel.blogspot.com
27/11/2012 · Danie Krugel is a former policeman from South Africa. Krugel, also known as "The Locator", is known for being a professional bodyfinder. He invented an apparatus he called the Krugel Theory Tester (KTT), which through using Global Positioning Systems and DNA technology can pinpoint the location of anyone in the world; as long as Krugel has an item which contains their DNA e.g. a hair.

The McCanns, Danie Krügel and the 'quantum sniffer machine ...
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/mccanns-danie-krugel-and-quantum.html
19/11/2019 · Krugel has also run into some heavy opposition from the scientific community and from skeptics alike, mainly because he refuses to allow his device to be tested or examined. He says he will only do so once the patent has been registered. Common questions about Krugel and his controversial Matter Oriented System (MOS) equipment are:

5/5
Author: Joana Morais
Don't trust the bodyfinder - Mirror Online
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dont-trust-the-bodyfinder-511803
08/10/2007 · Don't trust the bodyfinder. Krugel reportedly also first suggested that sniffer dogs be bought in to search the McCann's apartment. It was the sniffer dogs discovery of forensic evidence in the apartment that eventually led to Kate and Gerry, from Rothley, Leics, being officially designated as suspects in the case.

Danie Krugel - The Maddie Case Files
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/danie-krugel-t7775.html
In the sense of helping the investigation leading to the appearance of little Madeleine, I humbly come to suggest that a search be made of the web page carteblanche.co.za for the day 3rd December 2006 with respect to Danie Krugel of Bloemfontaine. Sincere wishes for the success of the investigation. R** S***** Cape Citizen (Doc linked into TOC)

Bad science: After Madeleine, why not Bin Laden? | Science ...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2007/oct/13/krugel
13/10/2007 · By simply popping a strand of the missing person's hair - or some other source of DNA - into his box of tricks, Krugel can pinpoint that person's location, anywhere.

'Crime-solving' gadget on the way | IOL News
https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/crime-solving-gadget-on-the-way-364972
'Crime-solving' gadget on the way. Former police officer Danie Krugel, whose "magic box" was featured in a Carte Blanche programme on the missing girls connected to paedophile Gert van Rooyen, may be working on another device. And there are rumours he sold the first device, the Matter Orientation System (MOS) to an overseas buyer for R13-million.

SHADOWPLAY - SIMULATED CHILD ABDUCTIONS: KRUGEL
https://shadplay.blogspot.com/2010/10/krugel.html
A MAN dubbed "The Locator" claims to know where Madeleine McCann was taken after her apparent abduction. South African ex-policeman Danie Krugel, who says he has invented a device for finding missing people, believes Maddie was not taken away from the area where she was abducted.

The Locator Locates! (Danie Krugel) [Page 3] ::: skeptic ...
forum.skeptic.za.org/general-skepticism/the-locator-locates!-(danie-krugel)/30
10/10/2007 · Krugel became a household name in South Africa when he created a DNA tracking device which solved a 19-year mystery about the whereabouts of …

Gimmicks that took South Africans for a ride
https://businesstech.co.za/news/general/72826/gimmicks-that-took-south-africans-for-a-ride
Matter Orientation System. Krugel received lots of media exposure for his invention, with many people reporting that the device worked. The device was even used to try find Madeleine McCann. There is a lot of scepticism regarding this invention, with many critics arguing that it is simply too good to be true.

'I know where Madeleine is buried' says body finder hired ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-486196/I-know-Madeleine-buried-says-body...
Krugel's device apparently combines quantum physics and global positioning technology to pin-point a body on a map.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 09:49:AM
«SLEUTH: I CAN FIND MADDIE»

By Jonathan Corke
31st January 2010

A FORMER cop claims he has identified the area where he says Madeleine McCann is buried (or that her body, or she passed through around the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence..

South African Danie Krugel says it is just 500 yards from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, from where Maddie disappeared. The area is a wasteland, full of building rubble, rocks and black, plastic bags. It is one of two “priority search” locations highlighted by the former detective – one close to the complex and one near the beach.

Krugel – known as “The Locator” for his success in tracing missing people in South Africa – was called in by Kate and Gerry McCann two months after Maddie vanished. He used DNA tracking – helped by a strand of Madeleine’s hair given to him by Gerry – and GPS satellite to pinpoint the area. He has also highlighted an area where he spotted a muddy pink and white child’s blanket.

Findings

He claims he didn’t remove it because he didn’t want to interfere with the police investigation. He then drew a map and gave a detailed report of his findings to local police. But he says a full search for Madeleine, who vanished shortly before her fourth birthday on May 3, 2007, never took place. Krugel told the Daily Star Sunday: “If they want me to go with them I will. “

I’m convinced they will find her. I will do whatever I can to help. That area needs to be properly searched.

“If it means training up officers from Scotland Yard in how to use the technology, I will do that.

“There needs to be a proper team of experts.”

Kate and Gerry, both 41, of Rothley, Leics, are convinced Maddie was abducted and is still alive.

But Krugel said: “I believe the truth will come out and I pray for the family that they get their answers. There is somebody out there that is guilty.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 01:36:PM
MISSING PAGES FROM THE FILES
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm
Page 57 (PJ RefXVII) Request to provide Madeleine McCann's dental records. A copy of the dental records was obtained on 15th May 2008, and is enclosed. …


The Book Madeleine by Kate McCann Page 56

From “Madeleine” by Kate McCann:

 

It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.

 The note mentioned is not on the DVD although Tapas reservation lists are here: tapas bookings
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 02:08:PM
MISSING PAGES FROM THE FILES
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm
Page 57 (PJ RefXVII) Request to provide Madeleine McCann's dental records. A copy of the dental records was obtained on 15th May 2008, and is enclosed. …


The Book Madeleine by Kate McCann Page 56

From “Madeleine” by Kate McCann:

 

It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.

 The note mentioned is not on the DVD although Tapas reservation lists are here: tapas bookings

why would another member of the group inform the receptionist that the group parents were leaving young children ' home alone' back in their apartments?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 03:25:PM
(1) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/5-main-suspects-madeleine-mccanns-10272619

Madeleine McCann jumped into the sea on a boating trip to rescue a straw hat belonging to her friend Jess, and she had to be pulled out by creche staff. Nevertheless, and somewhat rather worryingly, their appears to be some confusion regarding when the kids group actually partook in this boating activity. Alongside this confusing state of affairs, are the problems relating to the creche logs, in particular, covering the 1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007..

Added to this, is the startling account provided by Mrs Fenn that on the evening of 1st May 2007, she heard a child crying continually for the whole period 10.30 - 11.45pm, without any interruption by the parents of the crying child, crying which emanated from the McCann apartment (5A) beneath her apartment. The crying of the child only stopping when Mrs Fenn heard the patio door of the apartment beneath slide open..

Mrs Fenn assuming that the crying stopped with the return of the father and or the mother...

but, it is just as likely that the crying of the child in the apartment, finished at the time the person had satisfied himself abusing Madeleine, and it was the intruder who left the apartment via the patio door, which was slid open and closed by the offender leaving after attacking Madeleine, or even abducting her on that / this earlier occasion..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 04:21:PM

Added to this, is the startling account provided by Mrs Fenn that on the evening of 1st May 2007, she heard a child crying continually for the whole period 10.30 - 11.45pm, without any interruption by the parents of the crying child, crying which emanated from the McCann apartment (5A) beneath her apartment. The crying of the child only stopping when Mrs Fenn heard the patio door of the apartment beneath slide open..

Mrs Fenn assuming that the crying stopped with the return of the father and or the mother...

but, it is just as likely that the crying of the child in the apartment, finished at the time the person had satisfied himself abusing Madeleine, and it was the intruder who left the apartment via the patio door, which was slid open and closed by the offender leaving after attacking Madeleine, or even abducting her on that / this earlier occasion..

Of course, this was the evening of the 1st May 2007, when the McCann couple and other group members visited Chaplins bar located down close to St Vincents church, and the derelict building near the beach, and Danny Krugels oath that Madeleine McCanns body would be found 'buried', or could be found 'buried' within a triangular wasteland near to the beach...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 05:05:PM
(1) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/5-main-suspects-madeleine-mccanns-10272619

Madeleine McCann jumped into the sea on a boating trip to rescue a straw hat belonging to her friend Jess, and she had to be pulled out by creche staff. Nevertheless, and somewhat rather worryingly, their appears to be some confusion regarding when the kids group actually partook in this boating activity. Alongside this confusing state of affairs, are the problems relating to the creche logs, in particular, covering the 1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007..

Makes u wonder who are behind or involved in this red herrin' investigation / mystery..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2019, 07:37:PM
This is, an early alert by myself - something ain't right..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 12:29:AM
Of course, this was the evening of the 1st May 2007, when the McCann couple and other group members visited Chaplins bar located down close to St Vincents church, and the derelict building near the beach, and Danny Krugels oath that Madeleine McCanns body would be found 'buried', or could be found 'buried' within a triangular wasteland near to the beach...

It is rather astonishing, that none of the tapas bar employees mention anything about members of the McCann contingency staying out drinking at the tapas bar, on the evening of the 1st May (2007) until after midnight...

Makes you wonder why Mrs Fenn did not see or become aware that the parents of the McCann children were enjoying themselves within earshot, or eyeshot of apartment 5A between 10.30 - 11.45pm on that (1st May 2007) particular evening..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 12:35:AM

Makes you wonder why Mrs Fenn did not see or become aware that the parents of the McCann children were enjoying themselves within earshot, or eyeshot of apartment 5A between 10.30 - 11.45pm on that (1st May 2007) particular evening..

After all, according to the McCann couple, and others, the parents were able to monitor and check on the children and apartment 5A regularly because they could keep an eye upon it from the vantage point of the tapas bar restuarant terrace table that apparently had been booked for that specific purpose...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 12:37:AM
After all, according to the McCann couple, and others, the parents were able to monitor and check on the children and apartment 5A regularly because they could keep an eye upon it from the vantage point of the tapas bar restuarant terrace...

Oh yeah, of course they could..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 12:44:AM
Considering that the McCann children's bedroom and sleeping arrangement was on the opposite side of apartment 5A (roadside) to the vantage point of anyone enjoying themselves nearby, how was it  at all possible for the McCann parents to be able to monitor their children's safety and well being, when their children or child was sleeping was obscure and inaccessible to anyone pretending to be in control of the safety and well being of the McCann children in the context alleged by them in this matter..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 12:57:AM
Considering that the McCann children's bedroom and sleeping arrangement was on the opposite side of apartment 5A (roadside) to the vantage point of anyone enjoying themselves nearby, how was it  at all possible for the McCann parents to be able to monitor their children's safety and well being, when 'where' their children or child was sleeping was an obscure location and inaccessible to anyone pretending to be in control of the safety and well being of the McCann children in the context alleged by anyone in this matter..

Seems somewhat obvious to me, that (a) the McCann parents could not possibly be shown or seen to have the safety and well being of their three young children in mind, from the vantage point of their dining table in the tapas bar restuarant on that (3rd May 2007) evening, when the bedroom of those very same children (or à child) were sleeping in a specific bedroom on the far side of a building to their location...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 01:07:AM
Seems somewhat obvious to me, that (a) the McCann parents could not possibly be shown or seen to have the safety and well being of their three young children in mind, from the vantage point of their dining table in the tapas bar restuarant on that (3rd May 2007) evening, when the bedroom of those very same children (or à child) were sleeping in a specific bedroom on the far side of a building to their location...

How was it possible for the McCann parents (or anyone else for that matter) to claim that they could both ensure the safety of apartment 5A, and its occupants from a vantage point on the opposite side of the the apartment block..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 03:11:AM
How was it possible for the McCann parents (or anyone else for that matter) to claim that they could both ensure the safety of apartment 5A, and its occupants from a vantage point on the opposite side of the the apartment block..

How can or could anyone realistically suggest or claim that they had the safety of their own children at heart, when they could not even see the window with 'its' steel shutter, or whether or not the said window was closed or open, and indeed, whether or not the children's bedroom window curtains at the corresponding window were or even had been left open or at some stage had been opened..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 03:14:AM
How can or could anyone realistically suggest or claim that they had the safety of their own children at heart, when they could not even see the window with 'its' steel shutter, or whether or not the said window was closed or open, and indeed, whether or not the children's bedroom window curtains at the corresponding window were or even had been left open or at some stage had been opened..

When the crucial childrens bedroom window was out of their remit and capability...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 03:20:AM
When the crucial childrens bedroom window was out of their remit and capability...

Despite everything the McCann parents are claiming this / or in that respect, they simply had no way of knowing what might be occurring via the children's external / internal bedroom shutter, the same bedroom window or the curtains at that window on the road side of the apartment when they were filling their faces with 'nosh' and wine, on the opposite side of the building, which were on the blind side of apartment 5A, as viewed or anticipated by one or other of the McCann parent (s), or anybody else from the vantage point of the restuarant...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 07:06:AM
basically put, team McCann, the PJ, Leicestershire police and Scotland yard, are talking bullshit..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 07:20:AM
basically put, team McCann, the PJ, Leicestershire police and Scotland yard, are talking bullshit..

The other point I would like to throw into the cauldron of 'let us know the truth' in this matter / instance, concerning the fact that according to the lies told by Mathew Oldfield, Gerald McCann, Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner, and or Kate McCann, You see, none of this makes sense in view of the fact that the offender(s) must have fled apartment 5A at the time of the presence of one or other of the aforementioned persons account, via the curtains, the window, and the external shutter (or as the case may be, vice versa), when they could 'very simply' have left apartment 5A by the roadside door, despite the fact that somebody (lets say, the McCann parents) had previously left the apartment and taken the keys to the roadside door with them..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 07:29:AM
Rather unfortunately, for the McCann parents and all the others who are involved in this debacle, they did not anticipate any involvement in this crime investigation by someone like myself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 07:32:AM
Rather unfortunately, for the McCann parents and all the others who are involved in this debacle, they did not anticipate any involvement in this crime investigation by someone like myself...

I am somebody who is ultra - sensitive to environments, or situations, around or about me...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 07:38:AM
I do not profess that I have psychic abilities, I am not suggesting that / or this. But I have a gift (if you can / may call it that), of getting to the absolute truth in matters, or issues, that I am drawn toward, or that I choose to take an interest in...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 07:43:AM
I do not profess that I have psychic abilities, I am not suggesting that / or this. But I have a gift (if you can / may call it that), of getting to the absolute truth in matters, or issues, that I am drawn toward, or that I choose to take an interest in...

I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and that Madeleine is still alive. but my instincts are telling me, that she has passed on to the other-side.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 12:36:PM
Rather unfortunately, for the McCann parents and all the others who are involved in this debacle, they did not anticipate any involvement in this crime investigation by someone like myself...

In June 2010 I went on a field trip to Praia de Luz, to get a partial sense of the supposed crime scene and its surrounding area..

I did a 360° tour of apartment  5A, by a radius equivalent to the distance between the sea, from that apartment...

I ended up in the rear garden of the derelict building across the street from St Vincents church - Madeleine is / was there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 01:14:PM
In June 2010 I went on a field trip to Praia de Luz, to get a partial sense of the supposed crime scene and its surrounding area..

I did a 360° tour of apartment  5A, by a radius equivalent to the distance between the sea, from that apartment...

I ended up in the rear garden of the derelict building across the street from St Vincents church - Madeleine is / was there...

I do not personally know,  nor am I aware of the two areas of wasteland designated by Danny Krugel in his work at trying to pinpoint where Madeleine is, or where she at one time physically passed through, but what sticks in my mind is the wasteland at the sea where black plastic bags, small boats, discarded fridges, and what I refer to as the second drainage tunnel, and where freezers and general rubbish were randomly dumped by local residents, as being one of those two Krugel designated wasteland areas..

I anticipate the three coordination points adopted by Krugel in his work - (1) apartment 5A, (2) the beach and rocky hillside at one end of the beach, and (3) the dumping site where rubbish and small boats were dumped / parked up/ or discarded, crop up for a good reason...

Of course, the Smith sighting of Gerald McCann carrying off the deceased daughter, and all of the other interesting events which fall to be taken into account within that triangular area, and time frame, all are part and parcel of the absolute truth narrative..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2019, 09:53:PM

I anticipate the three coordination points adopted by Krugel in his work - (1) apartment 5A, (2) the beach and rocky hillside at one end of the beach, and (3) the dumping site where rubbish and small boats were dumped / parked up/ or discarded, crop up for a good reason...
The rear garden of the derelict building falls within Krugels triangulation areas..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 10:02:AM
(1) - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/bag-of-small-bones-found-in-reservoir-where-lawyer-claims-madeleine-mccanns-body-was-dumped-6681732.html

Bag of small bones found in reservoir where lawyer claims Madeleine McCann's body was dumped.

Divers searching a reservoir for Madeleine McCann yesterday found a plastic bag containing small bones.

Police experts were last night examining the gruesome find at the lake only 20 minutes from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine - three at the time - disappeared last May.

Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann were told immediately by a private detective monitoring the search. Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia, who sponsored the dive, says he was acting on an underworld tip-off that Madeleine was murdered and her body thrown in a lake within 48-hours of being snatched.

He said last night: "We found two bags, one of which contains some small bones.

"We don't know at this stage if they are human bones. If they are, they look like they come from a child's fingers. They are too small for an adult. I can't tell you how many we found, because we didn't count them.

"As soon as we made the find, we handed them over to the Portuguese authorities and the private detectives working for the McCanns."

Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell played down the find.

He said: "We have not been informed of anything by the police to indicate that this find is significant. There is nothing to indicate at this stage that they are human bones and they could easily be from an animal.

"There is nothing at the moment to indicate that this find has anything to do with Madeleine. We continue to believe she is alive."

It is the second time divers working for Mr Correia have searched the waters. The criminal lawyer has spent thousands of pounds on the search.

John Fellows, a frogman with the Lagos-based dive school Dive Time made the discovery.

The remote reservoir is near the town of Silves where a lorry driver saw a woman handing a child like Madeleine McCann over to a man two days after she went missing.

Divers had previously recovered several lengths of cord, some plastic tape and a single white, cotton sock.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 01:12:PM
The rear garden of the derelict building falls within Krugels triangulation areas..

Here are some of the search areas which were searched during the investigation...

(http://Photo Editor_tQzXBs.png)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 02:42:PM
Neither the PJ or the Metropolitan police have ever searched the derelict building (shown circled in next image next to the village church) - instead searches were carried out on nearby wasteland, and the catacombs of the church

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55546;image)

The shallow grave is located in the rear garden of the derelict building

The garden where it is believed the body of Madeleine McCann is / was buried..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55556)

Note how close to one of the search areas the rear garden of the derelict building is - highlighted by focussed circle..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55548)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 03:24:PM
Photographs taken by myself of the shallow grave in a hollow in the rear garden of the derelict building including an iron bar used to prize out stones from the ground so that the body could be buried deep enough, filled in with building site rubble obtained from nearby roadworks in the close vicinity of the church and the derelict building itself..

The grave itself within eyesight of the village church spire..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3790)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 03:39:PM
Here is a view of the general wasteland that was searched..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3789)

And other views of the same area

(http://)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 03:51:PM
In my view, it would have been virtually impossible for anyone to jemmy open the metal shutters from the outside of the children's bedroom window, by virtue of the fact that the stellar shutter extends all the way down until it touched the window will. Additionally, there is also the matter of the locking mechanism situated on the inside which would have had to have been deactivated by somebody, and even then there would have been tool markings on the shutter and the window will, and of course, there were no such tell tale marks...

Here is an identical window with its curtains and metal shutter, photographed by myself in the apartment that I stayed in during my visit to Portugal in June 2010 (block 6)..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3741)

And, as shown the strap used to raise and lower the metal shutter on the outside of the bedroom window can clearly be seen at the right hand side of the bedroom window (as viewed by the photographer)..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3742)

Let's take a closer look at this piece of equipment which can only be operated by someone from inside the bedroom..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3743)

How would it have been possible for someone standing outside the children's bedroom window for them to be able to use this strap mechanism to raise the external metal shutter from its normal position at the bottom of the window, to its highest position at the top of the window. The shutter would have needed to already be raised and the sliding glass framed window already open, to allow somebody to simply put their hand through the open window with its raised shutter, and mechanically operate the strap to raise or lower it..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3750)

Any would be intruder / burglar,/ kidnapper intent on entering the children's bedroom would have need to be able to somehow operate the strap on the inside of the window, from outside the window..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3763)

The strap has a self locking mechanism which prevents the outside shutter from automatically dropping back into a  lower or closed position. You have to manually pull the strap away from the surface of the wall and either pull down to raise the shutter on the outside of the window or pull upwards on the strap to lower the same shutter - once you let go of the strap and it falls flush against the bedroom wall, the steel shutter becomes locked at the height (up or down) the shutter was in before you let go of the strap allowing it to fall naturally flush in fashion against the wall..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3774)

Above showing strap in deactivàtion mode, for example, the strap is pulled away from its locking device on the wall. But when the strap is released it puts the shutter into activation mode, as shown in the following image..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3775)

A similar device is located at the top right hand side of the window, so that when the strap is flush with the vertical wall, the steel shutter on the outside of the bedroom window cannot be raised because the strap is immobilized (top and bottom), and can only be raised in the event that someone on the inside of the bedroom operates the strap as shown by pulling it away from the face of the bedroom wall and pulling in a downward fashion, which in turn will start to raise the steel shutter on the outside of the bedroom window...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=3772)

In the above image, is shown the operating strap flush vertically against the wall secured in its mechanisms below and above. When the window shutter is fully down as shown in this particular image, nobody on the outside of the bedroom window can raise the shutter because the security strap has been automatically activated below and above. If you attempted to jemmy up the metal shutter from the outside, not only would there be evidence of tool markings on the shutter itself but corresponding tool marks on the external window ledge outside. If that in itself was problematic, the chain / strap mechanism used to raise and lower the shutter would become damaged or snap because of the automatic  locking operation which comes into play at the bottom of the window and the top of the window whenever the strap is flush vertically against the inner wall..

So, it is doubtful to my mind that anyone forced open the metal shutter of the children's bedroom window for the reasons given.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 04:09:PM
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there would have come a point when they would have to report it, and that was at about 10pm, when Kate declared publicly to all those present at the tapas bar, that Maddie was gone, and that "they" had taken Maddie...

at about 10pm was as good a time as any to break the news whilst the parents were allegedly out dining at the tapas bar...

But as we now know nobody except a middle aged lady was at the booked dining tables at the tapas bar after 9.30pm. So, Kate McCann cannot have left there at 10pm that evening to discover that Madeleine was missing, and neither was there anybody back in the tapas bar for her to run back to and alert everyone that Madeleine had been taken, because nobody was there at 10pm, except for the solitary middle aged lady...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 05:55:PM

So, it is doubtful to my mind that anyone forced open the metal shutter of the children's bedroom window for the reasons given.

Then there is the matter of the locking mechanism of the sliding bedroom window..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55570)

The lock on this particular sliding window model, has two settings - these are with the catch / switch on the handle raised up, or lowered down. In the above example, the catch /switch is up. The following image shows the same catch / switch pressed down...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55566)

Of course, the shutter locking mechanism, and the children's bedroom sliding window locking mechanism, work independently of each other. If someone broke into the children's bedroom window by forcing their way in, they would have had to jemmy the external metal shutter up which would have inevitably caused some damage to the shutter itself and the outside window sill. Furthermore, there would have also have been significant damage to the strap / chain which help to keep the shutters functioning, as a result of the two locking mechanisms one above the other below, activating or deactivating the automatic lock of the metal shutter..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 07:21:PM
Then there is the matter of the locking mechanism of the sliding bedroom window..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55570)

The lock on this particular sliding window model, has two settings - these are with the catch / switch on the handle raised up, or lowered down. In the above example, the catch /switch is up. The following image shows the same catch / switch pressed down...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55566)

Of course, the shutter locking mechanism, and the children's bedroom sliding window locking mechanism, work independently of each other. If someone broke into the children's bedroom window by forcing their way in, they would have had to jemmy the external metal shutter up which would have inevitably caused some damage to the shutter itself and the outside window sill. Furthermore, there would have also have been significant damage to the strap / chain which help to keep the shutters functioning, as a result of the two locking mechanisms one above the other below, activating or deactivating the automatic lock of the metal shutter..

Even if you could force the metal window shutter of say the children's bedroom window from the outside, you would then have to deal with the sliding bedroom window locking mechanism. If you forced it open, you would leave tool marks where your jemmy forced the window open, as well as damage to the switch that activates or deactivates the window securely..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 07:32:PM
Even if you could force the metal window shutter of say the children's bedroom window from the outside, you would then have to deal with the sliding bedroom window locking mechanism. If you forced it open, you would leave tool marks where your jemmy forced the window open, as well as damage to the switch that activates or deactivates the window securely..

And yet, the police who inspected the metal window shutter found no damage at all to any component part of that particular bedroom window shutter, no buckled metal no tool mark, no DNA. It was a similar story when the locking mechanism of the sliding bedroom window was examined and scrutinised - no damage, no cracked glass, and no fine tool marks...

It would appear that somebody didn't have to jemmy open the metal shutter and or the sliding bedroom window. The McCann parents or someone with access to the children's bedroom window had inadvertently and or deliberately left the window open and unlocked, and the metal window shutter raised up as far as it could go...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 08:22:PM

It would appear that somebody didn't have to jemmy open the metal shutter and or the sliding bedroom window. The McCann parents or someone with access to the children's bedroom window had inadvertently and or deliberately left the window open and unlocked, and the metal window shutter raised up as far as it could go...

And yet, funny how Mathew Oldfield never saw the children's bedroom window shutter raised when he did his 9pm check of the McCann apartment, or the bedroom window open, and or any curtains whooshing about (as later described by Kate McCann in her 10 pm narrative. Similarly, when Gerald McCann went to do his 9.05pm check of apartment 5A, he had to walk straight past his children's bedroom window to ge5 to the door of the apartment, and if the metal shutter had been raised up, with the bedroom window open, and curtains whooshing about, he surely would have noticed such things. But no, the window shutter wasn't raised, the window was not open and the curtains of the bedroom window were not flailing about...

By 9.10pm, Jane Tanner left the tapas restuarant to do a check on her own apartment and takes a route on the car park side of apartment block 5. This route gives her an ideal opportunity to look at and see the bedroom window behind which the three McCann children were allegedly all sleeping. If the metal shutter of that window had been raised, and the window open, and the curtains flailing she would have seen it, considering that she appeared to have been so observant after she had left the tapas bar, for example, seeing Gerald McCann talking to a friend named Jez who just so happened to have a pushchair with him, and then she sees 'Tannerman' carrying off a little child in his arms, who she later believed to have been Madeleine...

With Gerald McCann absent from the tapas bar, and Jane Tanner having left there at 9.10pm, how does anyone explain why and how a couple who were sat at a table in the tapas bar terrace were making a commotion and a song and dance about a little girl who had gone missing from one of the apartments and that these two people knew that Madeleine was reported missing, long before Kate McCanns alert some 45 minutes later (10pm)?

The only explanation as far as I can see was that it was Mathew Oldfield who was discussing the fact that he had not seen Madeleine when he had entered the McCann apartment. This was the very reason why Gerald McCann got up from the dining table at 9.05pm to go and supposedly do a check on his apartment, when Mathew Oldfield had done a check there only a few minutes beforehand. It seems or appears somewhat obvious to me, that after Gerald McCann stormed off back to apartment 5A at about 9.05pm, that he was angry and worried about something. Minutes later (9.10pm) Jane Tanner left the tapas bar, probably after being told by Mathew Oldfield that Madeleine was missing from the McCann apartment, leaving Mathew Oldfield to talk to Kate McCann at a table on the tapas terrace. Then at about 9.30pm, or thereabouts, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien volunteer to go and do a check on the McCann apartment- but because of the manner with which Gerald McCann had reacted after learning that Oldfield had done a 9pm check of apartment 5A, without his knowledge or consent, it appears somewhat ludicrous to believe that if Gerald McCann had been present in the tapas bar at around 9.30pm, that he wouldn't have let Oldfield into his apartment (5A) any time soon..

Everything is pointing to the fact that Gerald McCann had not returned to the tapas bar after supposedly going to do his apartment check at about 9.05pm...

In any case, after 9.30pm, nobody belonging to the so called tapas group were present at their tables, they had all vanished in a cloak of mystery, whereto no-one knows. Between then and 10pm, only a middle aged woman belonging to the group of friends, returned to the dining tables this was at 9.45pm, so how can everybody have been present at the tapas bar at 10pm, when Kate McCann fictitiously rose from the dining table to go and do her check? There was no-one there to see her leave. Shge herself couldn't have been dining until that time, its impossible for her to have left the tapas bar, and only found out that Madeleine was missing or had been taken, when other people who were dining at the tapas that evening knew something about Madeleine not being present in the McCann apartment, from as long as an hour to 45 minutes before she allegedly knew...

Then by 9.30pm, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien leave the tapas bar restuarant with intent to do a check on the McCann apartment, and neither of them notice any window shutter raised at the children's bedroom window, or any window slid open, or any flailing curtains...

It is a mystery where all the tapas 9 adults all disappeared to, or why at about the same time that Oldfield and O'Brien were doing Kate McCann a big favour by volunteering to check apartment 5A for her. But where was Kate McCann after 9.30pm, because neither she nor anyone else were sat at their dining table - my guess is that they all went back to the McCann apartment at that time, and that the whole fiasco concerning different people doing checks, at this or that time is a complete nonsense...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 11:35:PM

It is a mystery where all the tapas 9 adults all disappeared to, or why at about the same time that Oldfield and O'Brien were doing Kate McCann a big favour by volunteering to check apartment 5A for her. But where was Kate McCann after 9.30pm, because neither she nor anyone else were sat at their dining table - my guess is that they all went back to the McCann apartment at that time, and that the whole fiasco concerning different people doing checks, at this or that time is a complete nonsense...

Seems somewhat obvious to me, that the McCanns, and their friends have deliberately set out to make out a false case that Madeleine McCann was taken (alive) after Gerald McCann did his infamous 9.05pm check at apartment 5A. If that's true then how come at least four people knew by around 9pm -  9.15pm, that Madeleine was not alive and present inside apartment 5A. These being Mathew Oldfield, Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien and Kate McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2019, 11:42:PM
Take it from me as gospel, Madeleine McCann was not abducted (alive) from the McCañn apartment (5A} after 9.05pm, on that evening of 3rd May 2007. If she was already dead by that stage, legally she could not have been abducted, because once a human being dies, or is dead,  he or she have no legal rights. It Seems to me that Scotland yàrd have bought into the McCann groups narrative that Madeleine McCann was alive when Gerald McCann did his so called 9.05pm check of apartment 5A, but I beg to differ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2019, 04:27:AM
And yet, the police who inspected the metal window shutter found no damage at all to any component part of that particular bedroom window shutter, no buckled metal no tool mark, no DNA. It was a similar story when the locking mechanism of the sliding bedroom window was examined and scrutinised - no damage, no cracked glass, and no fine tool marks...

And, just to throw a spanner in the works, neither the blood hound, nor the cadaver dog, brought to the scene by their handler Mr Grimes, reacted or detected human blood anywhere at all inside the children's bedroom of the McCann apartment, or rather more importantly no trace of any blood or cadaveric scent at the bedroom window, inside or externally, and in particular no such traces or alerts by the specialist dogs on the bedroom window  curtains, or indeed, the single bed and its blanket or sheets positioned beneath the window where anyone who had entered or exited, or both via the window would have needed to climb over or upon it.

We should never lose sight of the fact that these specially trained hounds or dogs cannot be treated as experts, but rather that they are capable of alerting to the or a presence of human blood or cadaveric aroma - once they alert it is up to the powers that be to search in those areas where such a dog or a hound had alerted, and any samples taken can be examined scientifically and that where such tests produce results which can be relied upon in a criminal prosecution of this person, or that person, that it is not the blood hound or the cadaver dogs which give the evidence, since they are simply a means to an end, or in other words part and parcel in a system of investigation...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2019, 04:51:AM
I sincerely hope that I am wrong, and that Madeleine is still alive. but my instincts are telling me, that she has passed on to the other-side.

My presence in the algarve, in June 2010, at the scene and its surrounding areas, has left a lasting impression to my mind that Madeleine McCann is dead. It surely can't just be a coincidence, that after taking hundreds and hundreds of photographs outside the scene and its surrounding areas, that the only location where I got any sort of reaction which might strongly indicate that that location had something to do with whatever happened to Madeleine McCann, and that location, that place was / is the derelict building where I took the photograph in the pink room of the premises which captured an impression which I refer to as 'the ghost of Maddie'. Outside in the rear garden at those premises I discovered a shallow grave, and some bone amongst the garden waste dumped there...

'Ghost of Maddie' eerie image captured in pink room of derelict building...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=1161)

Shallow grave in hollow in the rear garden of the very same derelict building discovered by myself in June 2010...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55562)

A piece of bone discovered amongst the garden waste in the rear garden of the aforementioned derelict building..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55334)

Enlargement of the bone, human or of animal origin?

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55271)

The derelict building, where I took the image which I refer to as 'The Ghost of Maddie' photograph, and the location of the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building, and the discovery of the bone amongst garden waste, found by myself, are places and an item linked to the map Dannie Krugel handed over to the PJ, an area which the police have never searched..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2019, 05:26:AM
The way forward, a bone was found in close proximity to the village church where the McCann parents sought refuge (minus their two surviving children) this bone could be human rather than animal, and it could be part of the remains of Madeleine McCann..

Consider the following with regards to this 'bone of contention'...

Did the PJ ever establish whether or not this piece of bone was human or not, and indeed whether it contained an exact match of Madeleine McCanns DNA..

Does something look familiar, here..

Seems to me, there is a definite match - suggestive that human remains in the form of a bone found in amongst the wasteland debrimay have been the partial remains of little Madeleine McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 02:27:AM
My presence in the algarve, in June 2010, at the scene and its surrounding areas, has left a lasting impression to my mind that Madeleine McCann is dead. It surely can't just be a coincidence, that after taking hundreds and hundreds of photographs outside the scene and its surrounding areas, that the only location where I got any sort of reaction which might strongly indicate that that location had something to do with whatever happened to Madeleine McCann, and that location, that place was / is the derelict building where I took the photograph in the pink room of the premises which captured an impression which I refer to as 'the ghost of Maddie'. Outside in the rear garden at those premises I discovered a shallow grave, and some bone amongst the garden waste dumped there...

'Ghost of Maddie' eerie image captured in pink room of derelict building...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=1161)

Shallow grave in hollow in the rear garden of the very same derelict building discovered by myself in June 2010...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55562)

A piece of bone discovered amongst the garden waste in the rear garden of the aforementioned derelict building..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55334)

Enlargement of the bone, human or of animal origin?

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55271)

The derelict building, where I took the image which I refer to as 'The Ghost of Maddie' photograph, and the location of the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building, and the discovery of the bone amongst garden waste, found by myself, are places and an item linked to the map Dannie Krugel handed over to the PJ, an area which the police have never searched..

After returning home to the UK from Portugal in June 2010 I sent hundreds of photographs that I had taken during my visit to Praia de Luz, by email to the PJ. All the items of clothing, and the piece of bone were all left insitu where I had photographed them all.

The single bed mattress that I photographed in the pink room of the derelict building was left in the position I photographed it in, with a small gap between one edge of it and the outside gable end wall of the pink room. At the time I took the photograph (ghost of Maddie), there was nothing to be seen in the aforementioned gap, I first became aware that something unusual had been captured on my camera..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 02:45:AM

The single bed mattress that I photographed in the pink room of the derelict building was left in the position I photographed it in, with a small gap between one edge of it and the outside gable end wall of the pink room. At the time I took the photograph (ghost of Maddie), there was nothing to be seen in the aforementioned gap, I first became aware that something unusual had been captured on my camera..

When after arriving home I uploaded the photographs onto my computer..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 03:44:AM
Unusual stuff happens around me all the time..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 04:58:AM
Tormented mindset of a human hybrid
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 06:44:AM
Is Madeleine McCann dead?

You could find the answer here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 06:59:AM
Was Madeleine Abducted from Apartment 5A on evening of 3rd May 2007?   

You could find the answer here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 08:48:AM
Did she die inside apartment 5A?

You could find the answer here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 09:33:AM
Are the timeline checks of apartments reliable?     

You could find the answer here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2019, 03:22:PM
Who is responsible for Madeleine not being here.

You could find the answer here..

My instinct and experience tells me, that Jane Tanner was / is a significant person of interest in this matter. along with another female accomplice..

But....

Who is that significant other?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 01:11:AM
Who is responsible for Madeleine not being here.

You could find the answer here..

My instinct and experience tells me, that Jane Tanner was / is a significant person of interest in this matter. along with another female accomplice..

But....

Who is that significant other?

Jane Tanner and one significant other, her accomplice, 'lie at the heart' of this mystery..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 01:18:AM
Jane Tanner and one significant other, her accomplice, 'lie at the heart' of this mystery..

Her accomplice is a female..

But, who is she?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 01:25:AM
Her accomplice is a female..

But, who is she?

My guess, is that it was / is Mathew Oldfield's partner and.....

Or, 'Fiona Payne'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 09:44:AM
Rather astonishingly, an account by a mystery witness is ignored altogether..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 09:55:AM
Er...

How come until now, this information is not part and parcel of the faked tapas 9 group narrative?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 10:08:AM
If, there was a quiz that night (as mentioned publicly), and this took place from 9.30pm, onwards, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, who was participating in such a quiz and more importantly, who was posing the questions in the quiz?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 10:14:AM
If, there was a quiz that night (as mentioned publicly), and this took place from 9.30pm, onwards, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, who was participating in such a quiz and more importantly, who was posing the questions in the quiz?

You see, according to at least one waiter (possibly at least two, or more), the tables at which the so called tapas 9 group were dining were noted as being absolutely vacant from and after 9.30pm on that same evening..

How could the mystery witness be performing a Quiz to an empty audience, at any stage between 9.30pm and 9.45pm that particular evening?

Until, Diane Webster appeared there at 9.45pm, onward as verified by a different waiter?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 10:17:AM
You see, according to at least one waiter (possibly at least two, or more), the tables at which the so called tapas 9 group were dining were noted as being absolutely vacant from and after 9.30pm on that same evening..

How could the mystery witness be performing a Quiz to an empty audience, at any stage between 9.30pm and 9.45pm that particular evening?
At 9.45pm,  Diane Webster was the only person present at the pre-booked dining tables - nobody was running a quiz at that stage or on that occasion..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 10:19:AM
At 9.45pm,  Diane Webster was the only person present at the pre-booked dining tables - nobody was running a quiz at that stage or on that occasion..

When are ordinary bone fide members of the general public going to ignore evidence like this?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 10:21:AM
Kate McCann is a liar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 10:23:AM
Kate McCann is a liar...

And so is 'that' husband of hers..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 11:42:AM
And so is 'that' husband of hers..

He never returned to the tapas bar restuarant once he had left there at around 9.05pm to do a check on his apartment and children. He was not present in the tapas bar restuarant at 9.30pm when bingo nanny claims she was invited by him to the McCann dining table...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 11:49:AM
You see, according to at least one waiter (possibly at least two, or more), the tables at which the so called tapas 9 group were dining were noted as being absolutely vacant from and after 9.30pm on that same evening..

How could the mystery witness be performing a Quiz to an empty audience, at any stage between 9.30pm and 9.45pm that particular evening?

Until, Diane Webster appeared there at 9.45pm, onward as verified by a different waiter?

Who was playing bingo that night (3rd May 2007) from 9.30pm, onwards? How could Gerald McCann invite this witness to his dining table at any stage after 9.05pm?

'Unlucky for some, number 13'...

BINGO !!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 12:17:PM
Who was playing bingo that night (3rd May 2007) from 9.30pm, onwards? How could Gerald McCann invite this witness to his dining table at any stage after 9.05pm?

'Unlucky for some, number 13'...

BINGO !!!

Things are becoming much more clearer by the moment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 12:21:PM
Things are becoming much more clearer by the moment...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55702)

She lives in the same part of the UK as the 'suspiciously' Carpenter couple
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 12:40:PM
Was it because NAJOVA CHEKAYA only attended the quiz night on the evening of Monday 1st May 2007, the day or the very evening that Madeleine had died at the hands of one of the McCann parents sex offenders friend (s)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 12:42:PM
Was it because NAJOVA CHEKAYA only attended the quiz night on the evening ofMonday 1st May 2007, the day or the very evening that Madeleine had died at the hands of one of the McCann parents sex offenders friend (s)?

Mrs Fenn, remembers the evening of Monday 1st May very well...



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 12:43:PM
Mrs Fenn, remembers the evening of Monday 1st May very well...

A child in the apartment (5A) beneath hers crying continuously, from around 10.15pm to 11.45pm...

Who was that child?

Madeleine?   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 04:56:PM
A child in the apartment (5A) beneath hers crying continuously, from around 10.15pm to 11.45pm...

Who was that child?

Madeleine?   

Did Mrs Fenn hear the patio door of apartment 5A below slide  open from the outside, or the inside. And, did the continuous crying of the child cease when a parent returned to 5A, or was it a case of, whoever had been sexually abusing Madeleine, killed her off just before he or they left the McCann apartment?

Anyone outside the patio door of apartment 5A, would slide the patio door from their left to their right, whereas a person on the inside of the apartment, would slide open the very same patio door from right to left..

How could Mrs Fenn tell or know that the sliding patio door of apartment 5A (below), had been opened by someone from outside, or inside the apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 28, 2019, 06:35:PM
Things are becoming much more clearer by the moment...
I do think the Tapas Seven may have covered up they did not always check on their children as frequently as they claimed (though the idea of leaving any two-year-old twins alone beggars belief), but I'm not sure the conspiracy theory extends to the dimensions you suggest Mike.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 08:19:PM
I do think the Tapas Seven may have covered up they did not always check on their children as frequently as they claimed (though the idea of leaving any two-year-old twins alone beggars belief), but I'm not sure the conspiracy theory extends to the dimensions you suggest Mike.

Fact is often stranger than fiction. What I don't yet  understand, is how any member of the so called tapas 9 group could still have been sat at their dining tables from 9.30pm, onward (with the exception of Diane Webster who returned from wherever at 9.45pm), when a member of staff (waiter) has gone on record as saying that at 9.30pm, none of the McCann contingency were sat at their respective dining tables, and another waiter has gone on record as saying that at 9.45pm, there was only a middle aged woman sat on her own at the tables which were booked to the McCann group of 9 adults..

So, where did everyone disappear to at 9.30pm (including Diane Webster)?

Where was Gerald McCann, Kate McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Rachel Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, Jane Tanner, David Payne and  anybody else, because its a nailed on certainty that none of them were at the tapas bar restuarant by or at  9.30pm? And if Diane Webster was the only person at the dining tables allocated to the group of friends from 9.45pm, and thereafter, how could Kate McCann have left that restuarant anytime after 9.45 pm, to go and do her check of apartment 5A enabling her to supposedly discover that Madeleine was not there and then rush back to the tapas bar to alert to everyone who was not even there, that Madeleine had been taken..

Their friends (with the exception of Diane Webster) were never present at the tapas bar, to enable Kate McCann to return there and inform everyone that Madeleine was gone, and that 'they' had taken her?

Who are 'they'?

How come other people who were present in the tapas bar by 9.15pm, were talking excitedly about a child who had gone missing from a guests apartment? How come Mathew Oldfield knew about 'the same thing' from as early as 9pm?

If people who have told blatant lies about this or that have to be treated as though some sort of a conspiracy must have occurred, or be happening, then so be it. Liars, and  Conspirators, or whatever, a little child is gone forever, and somebody is accountable...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 10:44:PM

How could Mrs Fenn tell or know that the sliding patio door of apartment 5A (below), had been opened by someone from outside, or inside the apartment?

Maybe, 11.45pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, (Mrs Fenns account) is when Madeleine actually died, or was killed (or taken)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 28, 2019, 11:07:PM
I can't bring myself to accept that Gerald McCann simply carried off the body of his daughter in his arms from the bushes or shrubs in the poolside garden of apartment 5A. But, he was the person seen by the Smith contingent on his way carrying his daughters body at around 10pm on the evening 3rd May 2007...

He wasn't back at the tapas bar restuarant at that time, in fact none of the others were, with the exception of Diane Webster who had been absent from there at 9.30pm, along with everyone else, but who returned there by 9.45pm, in the role / capacity of safe guarding the other group members personal belongings which had been left behind when everyone left their booked dining tables by 9.30pm (prompt)...

Where, did everyone (including Diane Webster) disappear to at 9.30pm?

How could Mathew Oldfield return to the tapas bar after his, and Russell O'Brien's 9.30pm, apartment checks, to inform everyone or anyone, when in fact there was no - one to tell anything to at the tapas bar restuarant, other than Diane Webster from 9.45pm, onward?

Why would Diane Webster need to be told anything about the reason why Russell O'Brien had not returned to the tapas bar because his daughter was sick, or unwell, if she (Diane Webster) was the only person present there at the groups dining table from around 9.45pm, onward?

Where was Jane Tanner at this time (9.45pm)?

One certain fact looms large in my mind, and that is / was, that both Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner were not present at their dining table at any stage, either individually, or together at any stage from 9.30pm, onward...

They are liars...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 28, 2019, 11:27:PM
I can't bring myself to accept that Gerald McCann simply carried off the body of his daughter in his arms from the bushes or shrubs in the poolside garden of apartment 5A. But, he was the person seen by the Smith contingent on his way carrying his daughters body at around 10pm on the evening 3rd May 2007...

He wasn't back at the tapas bar restuarant at that time, in fact none of the others were, with the exception of Diane Webster who had been absent from there at 9.30pm, along with everyone else, but who returned there by 9.45pm, in the role / capacity of safe guarding the other group members personal belongings which had been left behind when everyone left their booked dining tables by 9.30pm (prompt)...

Where, did everyone (including Diane Webster) disappear to at 9.30pm?

How could Mathew Oldfield return to the tapas bar after his, and Russell O'Brien's 9.30pm, apartment checks, to inform everyone or anyone, when in fact there was no - one to tell anything to at the tapas bar restuarant, other than Diane Webster from 9.45pm, onward?

Why would Diane Webster need to be told anything about the reason why Russell O'Brien had not returned to the tapas bar because his daughter was sick, or unwell, if she (Diane Webster) was the only person present there at the groups dining table from around 9.45pm, onward?

Where was Jane Tanner at this time (9.45pm)?

One certain fact looms large in my mind, and that is / was, that both Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner were not present at their dining table at any stage, either individfually, or together at any stage from 9.30pm, onward...

They are liars...
They could have seen Doctor Julian Totman carrying his own daughter away from the creche and who came forward to police but never heard anything further. It doesn't make sense that cadaveric odour was detected by sniffer dogs in the apartment if Maddie is alive at all at his point. The Smiths couldn't positively identify anyone immediately after their sighting, though curiously the father becomes surer after the passage of time that it was Gerry McCann he saw.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 12:37:AM
They could have seen Doctor Julian Totman carrying his own daughter away from the creche  Not if the creche was in the vicinity of the main Ocean club reception like Scotland yard are inviting everyone to believe..and who came forward to police but never heard anything further.  it could have been Totman if he used the creche close to apartment block 5. In that scenario, he would have been walking in the right direction  It doesn't make sense that cadaveric odour was detected by sniffer dogs in the apartment if Maddie is alive at all at his point. But that's just it - she died before the evening 3rd May 2007The Smiths couldn't positively identify anyone immediately after their sighting, though curiously the father becomes surer after the passage of time that it was Gerry McCann he saw.  because it was Gerald McCann that he saw, McCann was not back at the tapas bar restuarant at the same time, there was nobody other than Diane Webster there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 03:26:PM
I would now like to take the opportunity to deal with the matter of a note being written in a reception register, which stated that the McCanns and their friends wanted to book specific tables in the tapas bar restuarant because families were leaving young children alone in their respective apartments whilst parents went to the restuarant for an evening meal and a drink or two. It was apparently recorded in that register that from their dining tables, it would allow parents to keep an eye on the apartments...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 03:36:PM
I would now like to take the opportunity to deal with the matter of a note being written in a reception register, which stated that the McCanns and their friends wanted to book specific tables in the tapas bar restuarant because families were leaving young children alone in their respective apartments whilst parents went to the restuarant for an evening meal and a drink or two. It was apparently recorded in that register that from their dining tables, it would allow parents to keep an eye on the apartments...

This is being relied upon, to imply that Madeleine McCanns disappearence may have come about because the aforementioned note in the reception register could have been read by Ocean Club staff and guests, who acted upon that information, and that it could have been an inside job of sorts..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 05:15:PM
However...

Placing such a reliance upon the note being recorded in the reception register, as being a potential explanation for why Madeleine may have been taken, kidnapped, or abducted, something else of great importance has thus far, as far as I know been overlooked or ignored, and this concerns the security of both the roadside door on one side of the apartment in block five, and the sliding patio door on the poolside of the same building, in relation to apartment 5A..

For example, the roadside door if locked and the occupants leave their apartment taking the door key with them, that anyone left inside the apartment, or as the case may be, that after the occupants left, that a person gained entry into the apartment by other means, it is a nailed on certainty that anyone inside that apartment with no access to the door key, that they could simply open the roadside door by a catch built into the door lock. It would simply be a case of the catch be operated on the lock, and they could leave the apartment  with little if any fuss.

In other words, you wouldn't need a key to the roadside door lock to leave the building from inside the premises, you would only need a door key to that lock if you were outside intending to get into the apartment by the external roadside door...

Alternatively..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 05:46:PM
However...

Placing such a reliance upon the note being recorded in the reception register, as being a potential explanation for why Madeleine may have been taken, kidnapped, or abducted, something else of great importance has thus far, as far as I know been overlooked or ignored, and this concerns the security of both the roadside door on one side of the apartment in block five, and the sliding patio door on the poolside of the same building, in relation to apartment 5A..

For example, the roadside door if locked and the occupants leave their apartment taking the door key with them, that anyone left inside the apartment, or as the case may be, that after the occupants left, that a person gained entry into the apartment by other means, it is a nailed on certainty that anyone inside that apartment with no access to the door key, that they could simply open the roadside door by a catch built into the door lock. It would simply be a case of the catch be operated on the lock, and they could leave the apartment  with little if any fuss.

In other words, you wouldn't need a key to the roadside door lock to leave the building from inside the premises, you would only need a door key to that lock if you were outside intending to get into the apartment by the external roadside door...

Alternatively..

Dealing with the sliding patio door on the poolside of apartment 5A, if the patio door had been left unlocked, this might contribute to an entry into the premises, by one person, or another, let's say after the occupants had left the premises and locking the roadside door with a key which they kept on their person afterwards. Once any uninvited intruder type character entered the apartment by the unlocked patio door, he or she, or they could have simply exited the premises by the same sliding, unlocked patio door, or as the case may be, exit via the roadside door simply by them turning the catch on the door lock..

Additionally, such an uninvited intruder could also leave the premises via a bedroom window...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 06:04:PM
Dealing specifically with the security of the sliding patio door on the poolside of apartment 5A. There is no door key. Only a catch which enables occupants of the property to operate this catch, in order to either unlock it, or lock it. But this can only be done by a person on the inside of the premises, to manipulate. Additionally, on the outside surface of the sliding patio door is guarded by a metal window shutter, which can be raised or lowered. A lever situated inside the apartment on the wall to one side of the patio door is the only way that the position of the metal patio door shutter can be operated..

With this in mind, the occupants of apartment 5A, could not lower the metal shutter and leave the patio door unlocked so that anyone approaching the unlocked sliding patio door could enter the apartment because the metal shutter was fixed in its locked downward position. They would not be able to raise the patio door shutter, irrespective of whether or not the occupants of the apartment had left the door locked, or unlocked. This is because someone on the outside of the patio door has no way of raising the shutter because the lever for raising it, was securely tucked away on the inside wall of the room beyond the door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 06:09:PM
The only way any intruder could gain access to apartment 5A, if the occupants had left the sliding patio door open, prior to leaving the premises, would be if the same occupants had left the patio door shutter on the poolside of the apartment raised up in its unlocked position...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 06:17:PM
The only way any intruder could gain access to apartment 5A, if the occupants had left the sliding patio door open, prior to leaving the premises, would be if the same occupants had left the patio door shutter on the poolside of the apartment raised up in its unlocked position...

Now, it is on record that the McCann parents have confirmed that they had left the patio door open so that when checks were made during the course of the evening, a parent or a friend could enter apartment 5A, needing no key because there are no keys to the patio door only a catch on an inside room wall..

If this were true, the occupants of apartment 5A must have left the patio door on the poolside of the premises unlocked, and the corresponding metal shutter raised up leaving the premises insecure. As a result, any passerby who sees the metal shutter at the patio door raised in its up position, might correctly suspect that the patio door in question was either locked off, or left open...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 06:32:PM

If this were true, the occupants of apartment 5A must have left the patio door on the poolside of the premises unlocked, and the corresponding metal shutter raised up leaving the premises insecure. As a result, any passerby who sees the metal shutter at the patio door raised in its up position, might correctly suspect that the patio door in question was either locked off, or left open...

Under such circumstances, why has it been made so important that notes were recorded in a reception register that the McCanns and friends were leaving their children alone in their respective apartments whilst they wined and dined every evening at the nearby tapas bar. Rather significantly, there was no mention in the note in the reception register, that the McCanns or any of their friends, were placing their children at risk by leaving an apartment door  deliberately and recklessly unlocked and insecure...

If anyone entered the apartment 5A via the unlocked sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises, it was because the McCànn parents had deliberately left the patio door unlocked placing their three young children at a severe risk of coming to harm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 06:41:PM

If anyone entered the apartment 5A via the unlocked sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises, it was because the McCànn parents had deliberately left the patio door unlocked placing their three young children at a severe risk of coming to harm...

For this reason I suspect that the existence of the note recorded in a reception register, could be a red herrin', that was introduced post the evening of 3rd May 2007 in order to direct any police investigation in an abduction capacity. Based on the admissions made by the McCann parents, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien, and other members of the group concerning the fact that the sliding patio door was deliberately left unlocked for ease of access, was introduced as a back up plan, intended to explain how an abduction which might not ever have happened, occurred..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 06:47:PM
It is very dangerous to accept the time frame introduced by the McCanns and their friends, concerning when Madeleine was last known to have been alive. I think she died sooner, and that any claim that she was still alive right up until Gerald McCann did his 9.05pm check of his apartment simply cannot possibly be true..

I think a false time line has been deliberately introduced to make it less likely that the Portuguese police could find any evidence of their involvement in whatever happened to Madeleine McCann because whatever did happen to her, did not occur in the promoted time frame...

but, she died much sooner, and for a couple of days or so, the parents and friends faked accounts that Madeleine was alive right up until mid to  late evening on 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 08:49:PM

I think a false time line has been deliberately introduced to make it less likely that the Portuguese police could find any evidence of their involvement in whatever happened to Madeleine McCann because whatever did happen to her, did not occur in the promoted time frame...

The fact that the McCann family chose to have breakfast in their apartment so soon at the beginning of their holiday rather than join the other families for breakfast at the restuarant seems to me to be a sign that whatever befell Madeleine it occurred around the time of this unusual breakfast eating habit...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 08:52:PM
The fact that the McCann family chose to have breakfast in their apartment so soon at the beginning of their holiday rather than join the other families for breakfast at the restuarant seems to me to be a sign that whatever befell Madeleine it occurred around the time of this unusual breakfast eating habit...

I also feel that the incident of Mrs Fenn reporting that a child had been constantly crying on the evening of 1st May 2007 from the McCann apartment below between around 10.30pm and 11.45pm, could be of some significance. I think the McCanns and some of their friends visited Chaplin's bar on that particular evening, and that it was gone midnight before the McCanns returned to apartment 5A. If true, it can't have been Gerald McCann or Kate McCann who slid the patio door open from outside at apartment 5A at 11.45pm, but it could have been one or two from their group..

Of particular interest is that the crying of the child stopped at roughly the same time, or thereabouts that Mrs Fenn reported about, and I think the child called out 'Daddy, Daddy, Daddy' - but how can anybody be sure, that even if Madeleine had been that child who Mrs Fenn heard crying, and calling out Daddy, etc, it could have been spoken through relief that Madeline's Daddy had finally returned after such a lengthy absence, or alternatively, it could have been a cry for help because somebody had started to hurt her..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 09:07:PM
I am also mindful why the twins double pushchair was never tested by the two police dogs, or forensically examined. Was this because that pushchair had been used to get Madeline's body away from the immediate vicinity of apartment 5A, and which was discarded prior to the Smith sighting of Gerald McCann carrying away Madeleine toward and in the general direction of the beach...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2019, 10:41:PM
I am also mindful why the twins double push chair was never tested by the two police dogs, or forensically examined. Was this because that pushchair had been used to get Madeline's body away from the immediate vicinity of apartment 5A, and which was discarded prior to the Smith sighting of Gerald McCann carrying away Madeleine toward and in the general direction of the beach...

I pose the question - was the pushchair in the hands of Gerald McCanns tennis friend (Jez), as alluded to by Jane Tanner, at just after 9.10pm when she supposedly saw Gerald and Jez talking between themselves on the road side in the vicinity of the steps on the gable end of apartment 5A, used to transport the remains of Madeleine McCann from the immediate vicinity of the McCanns apartment (5A) on that very same evening..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2019, 10:56:PM

If anyone entered the apartment 5A via the unlocked sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises, it was because the McCànn parents had deliberately left the patio door unlocked placing their three young children at a severe risk of coming to harm...

Or else, it was made up to force everybody into thinking that 'somebody' must have, or could have entered apartment 5A and abducted, taken, or kidnapped Madeleine at some point between Gerald McCanns 9.05pm last sight of his 'sleeping' daughter during his check of apartment 5A, and 10pm when Madeline's birth mother, Kate Healy / McCann discovered Madeleine missing..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2019, 11:30:PM
Or else, it was made up to force everybody into thinking that 'somebody' must have, or could have entered apartment 5A and abducted, taken, or kidnapped Madeleine at some point between Gerald McCanns 9.05pm last sight of his 'sleeping' daughter during his check of apartment 5A, and 10pm when Madeline's birth mother, Kate Healy / McCann discovered Madeleine missing..

Whereas, prior to 9.05pm and Gerald McCanns alleged / supposed check of the family apartment, a friend (Mathew Oldfield) at around 9pm, on one account had listened at the metal window shutter of the McCann children's bedroom window, on the car park side of the premises and had heard no noises and returned to the tapas bar restuarant before 9.05pm to inform the McCann parents that everything was well back at apartment 5A...

However on a completely different and contradictory account relating to Mathew Oldfield's account of his check of apartment 5A prior to 9.05pm, he tells of him having entered apartment 5A, via the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment (5A) and discovering that Madeleine McCann was not in her bed in the children's bedroom, and that after a further search of the apartment, neither was she present in the McCann parents bedroom, or any other room of the apartment. If true, he wou

Therefore, depending upon which account you might believe to be true, Mathew Oldfield either returned to the tapas bar restuarant bar and informed the McCann parents that 'everything was well' back in apartment 5A, or alternatively, that Madeleine McCann was not present in any room of the McCann apartment at 9pm on the evening 3rd May 2007..

If true, why would Mathew Oldfield return to the tapas bar restuarant area (just before 9.05pm) and tell Gerald McCann and or Kate Healy / McCann,r both of them, that all was well back at their apartment 5A? If, Madeleine was missing from any room in apartment 5A, beforehand?

Why check apartment 5A at about 9pm, by listening outside the shutter of the children's bedroom window on the car park / road side of the premises, and then enter the apartment via the sliding patio door on the poolside of the same apartment during the same  9pm check of the McCann apartment?

If both accounts are true, what if anything can be read into the established fact that Madeleine McCann was nowhere to be seen, or found anywhere inside apartment 5A by Mathew Oldfield prior to 9.05pm when Gerald McCann stormed off from the restuarant, to do a re-check of apartment 5A?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2019, 12:09:AM
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If both accounts are true, what if anything can be read into the established fact that Madeleine McCann was nowhere to be seen, or found anywhere inside apartment 5A, by Mathew Oldfield prior to 9.05pm when Gerald McCann stormed off from the restuarant, to do a re-check of apartment 5A?

Something which Mathew Oldfield told Gerald McCann about a check of apartment 5A which he had completed moments beforehand, was the cause of Gerald McCann having to immediately leave the tapas bar restuarant at 9.05pm to do a check of his own of the same apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2019, 02:21:AM

If both accounts are true, what if anything can be read into the established fact that Madeleine McCann was nowhere to be seen, or found anywhere inside apartment 5A by Mathew Oldfield prior to 9.05pm when Gerald McCann stormed off from the restuarant, to do a re-check of apartment 5A?

In his version of events, Gerald McCañn alibied Mathew Oldfield from any involvement in Madeleine McCanns disappearence at or by the time of Gerald McCanns own  9.05pm check, by declaring that he (Gerald McCann) was the very last person to see Madeleine alive..

With this in mind, there can not be any involvement in Madeleine McCanns disappearence by Mathew Oldfield at the time of his 9pm check of the McCann apartment, because Gerald McCann claims he saw Madeleine simply sleeping in her bed at soon after 9.05pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2019, 04:23:AM
In his version of events, Gerald McCañn alibied Mathew Oldfield from any involvement in Madeleine McCanns disappearence at or by the time of Gerald McCanns own  9.05pm check, by declaring that he (Gerald McCann) was the very last person to see Madeleine alive..

With this in mind, there can not be any involvement in Madeleine McCanns disappearence by Mathew Oldfield at the time of his 9pm check of the McCann apartment, because Gerald McCann claims he saw Madeleine simply sleeping in her bed at soon after 9.05pm..

In similar fashion, Mathew Oldfield alibied Gerald McCann of involvement in his (McCann) daughters disappearence by falsely claiming that at 9.30pm he had done a second check of the McCann apartment with nothing a miss...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2019, 06:38:PM
In similar fashion, Mathew Oldfield alibied Gerald McCann of involvement in his (McCann) daughters disappearence by falsely claiming that at 9.30pm he had done a second check of the McCann apartment with nothing a miss...

But if the truth be known, it wasn't just Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien who left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.30pm that evening. Since, none of the tapas 9 group were present at their dining tables by that stage, everyone of them to a man and woman had almost certainly returned to the vicinity of apartment 5A in response to it being made known at the tapas bar restuarant from as early as just before 9.05pm when Mathew Oldfield alerted Gerald McCann that Madeleine McCann  was missing from the family apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2019, 08:39:PM
But if the truth be known, it wasn't just Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien who left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.30pm that evening. Since, none of the tapas 9 group were present at their dining tables by that stage, everyone of them to a man and woman had almost certainly returned to the vicinity of apartment 5A in response to it being made known at the tapas bar restuarant from as early as just before 9.05pm when Mathew Oldfield alerted Gerald McCann that Madeleine McCann  was missing from the family apartment...

By 9.15pm, a couple who were sat at a table on the tapas bar terrace were creating a commotion about a rumour that a child belonging to one of the Ocean Clubs guest had gone missing from an apartment. Within 15 minutes of this occurring, every member of the tapas 9 group including Kate McCann had left their dining tables and went to apartment 5A to investigate Madeline's disappearence. Only one of this group (Diane Webster) returned back to the restuarant at around 9.45pm, guarding all the personal possessions which members of the group had abandoned in the rush to get to the McCanns apartment..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2019, 08:49:PM
And, now we hear about communication between Gerald McCann, the PJ and allegedly 'Madeleine McCanns abductor, kidnapper' (it's so bizarre, you couldn't make any of this nonsense up) in contact with one another.

All those involved and at the centre of this 'McCann circus' all 'denying any involvement in such an escapade' is quite frankly 'absolutely absurd'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2019, 09:56:PM
And, now we hear about communication between Gerald McCann, the PJ and allegedly 'Madeleine McCanns abductor, kidnapper' (it's so bizarre, you couldn't make any of this nonsense up) in contact with one another.

All those involved and at the centre of this 'McCann circus' all 'denying any involvement in such an escapade' is quite frankly 'absolutely absurd'...

By June 2007 there had clearly been unsavoury and absolutely despicable imaginative contact between the 'PJ' the 'McCanns' and 'somebody who knew who the kidnapper's were' and more importantly, 'where Madeleine McCann was being held' (supposedly, still alive by that stage)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2019, 10:04:PM
By June 2007 there had clearly been unsavoury and absolutely despicable imaginative contact between the 'PJ' the 'McCanns' and 'somebody who knew who the kidnapper's were' and more importantly, 'where Madeleine McCann was being held' (supposedly, still alive by that stage)

Here, is confirmation of these facts...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2019, 10:08:PM
By June 2007 there had clearly been unsavoury and absolutely despicable imaginative contact between the 'PJ' the 'McCanns' and 'somebody who knew who the kidnapper's were' and more importantly, 'where Madeleine McCann was being held' (supposedly, still alive by that stage)

Where is the witness statement from the police officer, who was contacted on this occasion / by the informant?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2019, 10:15:PM
Where is the witness statement from the police officer, who was contacted on this occasion / by the informant?

Obviously, such corresponding evidence / information is missing in the ' PJ Files'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2019, 10:42:PM
Can somebody find out and inform me, who was my dads mother and father (my polish grandparents, and who my polish aunties and uncles / niece's, were / are?) Since although almost 64 years old ,I have not been told, and I do not know the history...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2019, 10:48:PM
Can somebody find out and inform me, who was my dads mother and father (my polish grandparents, and who my polish aunties and uncles / niece's, were / are?) Since although almost 64 years old ,I have not been told, and I do not know the history...

Like many a onmonst us, I am left in the dark!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2019, 02:50:AM
Here, is confirmation of these facts...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55730)

This is why the McCanns / Scotland yard choose to believe that Madeleine was kidnapped or abducted from apartment 5A,..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2019, 05:46:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2019, 05:54:AM
As can be seen, the PJ had all this information, in particular, access to the email address of the author of the messages and the internet IP address.So they would have been able to trace the sender...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2019, 05:55:AM
As can be seen, the PJ had all this information, in particular, access to the email address of the author of the messages and the internet IP address.So they would have been able to trace the sender...

How did the informer get hold of Gerald and Kate McCanns email address by 14th June 2007?

gerry.kate@hotmail.co.uk
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2019, 06:02:AM
How did the informer get hold of Gerald and Kate McCanns email address by 14th June 2007?

gerry.kate@hotmail.co.uk

Serge Malinka was thought to be the sender by the PJ..

The sender used the following email address:- Amsterdamvu@gmail.com

The McCann private Investigators offered Serge Malinka  a huge amount of money for the information relating to the identity of the kidnappers, and the whereabouts of Madeleine. Malinka declined the offer. Word spread locally which led to Màlinka's car being set on fire with the word 'FALA' painted on the pavement beside the burnt out wreckage..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2019, 08:37:PM
According to an informant, Madeline McCann was not taken by a lone abductor, but instead by two or more abductors,who lived locally. What I find astonishing, is that although the PJ, and the McCànns were aware from an early stage that it was a gang operation much emphasis was placed on the sighting by Jane Tanner. Why have the McCanns decieved us all for so long? And a deception it has been, no wonder operation grange talks in terms of Madeleine MçCanns disappearence as being an abduction...

What I don't yet understand, is if we accept that it was not until June 2007 that the informant contacted the PJ, and then the McCanns, yet on the night of the alleged disappearence (3rd May 2007), Kate McCann returns to the tapas restuarant and declares to all and sundry that 'THEY HAVE TAKEN HER, Maddie is gone'.

How come Kate McCann knew by 10pm, or thereabouts it was 'they' who had taken Madeleine, not a sole operator?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2019, 08:41:PM

How come Kate McCann knew by 10pm, or thereabouts it was 'they' who had taken Madeleine, not a sole operator?

Since, according to what the informant told them in his June 2007 messages, it wasn't until then that any mention was made by him concerning that'THEY' had taken their daughter...

The time line has been deliberately tampered with in more ways than one!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 03:52:AM
A careful study of the witness statements of all parties concerned in giving one another and each other an alibi for the promoted time of any abduction of Madeleine McCann after 9.05pm, on the evening Thursday 3rd May 2007, leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the parents and others faked the abduction narrative..

The time line of the intended event (reporting Madeleine missing) was undone because of Gerald McCann being spotted by the Smith family members carrying off his daughters body at about 10pm, which fell half an hour or so, after everyone back at the tapas bar had been openly alerted to the suggestion that somebody (he, she, them or they)had taken Madeleine from the family apartment by 9.30pm (hence, why the dining tables were all empty at that specific time). If the truth be known it had been intended for Mathew Oldfield to alert everyone officially that Madeleine was missing from apartment 5A after he had done a check of the McCann apartment at 9.30pm. This is despite the fact that he had raised the alarm that Madeleine was 'gone' from apartment 5A half an hour earlier at 9 O'clock..

I believe that they intended to report Madeleine 'missing' once Gerald McCann had contacted them by mobile phone or text message that Madeleine had been disposed of without any problem. However, the sighting of him by members of the Smith family served to put a spanner in the works, so to speak. It was the Smith sighting of Gerald McCann carrying his daughter off at 10pm which caused Kate McCann to have to come forward and officially alert to everyone and or anybody, that Madeleine had been 'taken' they had to change the time line of the events which unfolded that particular evening to give Gerald McCann an alibi. Since, he could not have been in two different locations or places, at the same time...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 04:40:AM
Circus McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 08:27:AM
The McCanns and friends knew from as early as 9pm when Mathew Oldfield checked on the McCann children in apartment 5A that Madeline's body was no longer present in either of it's hiding places inside the apartment. It was not behind the sofa in the living room, and it was not in the parents bedroom wardrobe.In a panic he rushed back to the tapas bar restuarant to inform the McCann parents..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 08:30:AM
In a panic he rushed back to the tapas bar restuarant to inform the McCann parents..
Unbeknown to Mathew Oldfield, Gerald McCann had moved Madeline's body to the bushes and shrubs of the poolside garden of apartment 5A prior to both he and Kate leaving their apartment at about 8.30pm to go for their evening meal at the tapas bar restuarant. Upon hearing the news from Mathew Oldfield, Gerald McCann must have been grief stricken, he must have been worried that someone had found the body he had hidden in his front garden less than half an hour earlier...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 08:41:AM
He left the small reception area of the Ocean Club at 9.05pm, and dashed back to the bushes in his front garden expecting the body to have gone. But, it was exactly where he had left it earlier.

Just then, as he had just settled his mind and he was leaving the iron gate at the bottom of some concrete steps which afforded access to the patio and its door on the poolside of the premises he came face to face with a tennis companion of his, Jez Wilkins. He was startled by the sudden appearance of Jez, who had a pushchair with him. Gerald McCann was worried that Jez had seen him ferreting about in the bushes of the poolside front garden of apartment 5A. Later on, his visit to those bushes of his garden would become somewhat significant, because one of Grimes dogs gave a positive alert to Cadaverick scent in those very same bushes. Additionally the dogs gave positive alerts behind the sofa in the living  room .Upon examination of police photographs taken inside the living room it is very notable that the curtain on the left of the living room window had been significantly disturbed as if someone had fallen, or been placed there deliberately...

Later when the dogs belonging to Grimes signalled behind the sofa in an area on the tile beneath the disturbed part of the living room curtain, and a further signal / alert at the parents bedroom wardrobe, followed by the bushes of the poolside garden of apartment 5A, as well as give positive alerts to a vehicle hired by the McCanns weeks later on, together with further positive alerts to articles of clothing belonging to Gerald and Kate McCann, things were starting to look dodgy...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 09:31:AM
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He was startled by the sudden appearance of Jez, who had a pushchair with him. Gerald McCann was worried that Jez had seen him ferreting about in the bushes of the poolside front garden of apartment 5A. Later on, his visit to those bushes in his garden would become somewhat significant, because one of Grimes dogs gave a positive alert to Cadaverick scent in those very same bushes. Additionally the dogs gave positive alerts behind the sofa in the living  room .Upon examination of police photographs taken inside the living room it is very notable that the curtain on the left of the living room window had been significantly disturbed as if someone had fallen, or been placed behind the sofa or removed from there in that part of the living room..

Later when the dogs belonging to Grimes signalled behind the sofa in an area on the tile beneath the disturbed part of the living room curtain, and a further signal / alert at the parents bedroom wardrobe, followed by the bushes of the poolside garden of apartment 5A, as well as give positive alerts to a vehicle hired by the McCanns weeks later on, together with further positive alerts to articles of clothing belonging to Gerald and Kate McCann, things were starting to look dodgy...

Funny thing about the meeting of Gerald McCann and Jez Wilkins on the pavement next to the gated stairway to the patio and its door of apartment 5A, at about 9.10pm, since Gerald McCann was thinking that sooner or later the police will be wanting to know if he could tell them anything about what he might have seen when he first met Gerald McCann, anything else he might have seen whilst he was in the area. That pram / pushchair would have been a good disguise to help move a body from one place to another at such a poignant moment which just so happens to be built into the kidnapping narrative. How come Gerald McCann ñever became suspicious of Jez using his pushchair to abduct Madeleine, or whatever. How come nobody came forward to say that at this or that time, I /we saw a man pushing a pushchair close to the McCann apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 09:59:AM
Was Wilkins pushchair ever tested by the Grimes dogs to try and establish a DNA, or blood group association between his pram and Madeleine who had gone missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 12:52:PM
Was Wilkins pushchair ever tested by the Grimes dogs to try and establish a DNA, or blood group association between his pram and Madeleine who had gone missing?

I believe that after Jane Tanner introduced 'TANNERMAN' how Gerry McCann became anxious that the PJ might want to take a witness statement from him and Totman and he did not know what Jez might say he saw him doing when he first met McCann on the road side. This must have concerned Gerald McCann because by the time he realised what the police might hear or get told by Jez Wilkins, Gerald McCann had already told the Portuguese police that he saw his daughter who was sleeping in her bed, and how beautiful she was. He told police originally that he entered apartment 5A through the road side/ car park side of the premises, and left by the same door. However once Jane Tanner introduced 'TANNERMAN', it must have dawned on him, that Jez may have seen him in the bushes, and come out through the gated concrete steps access / exit which led up to the patio door on the pool side of the building. Now, why would Gerald McCann be in the bushes of his garden  if he had already been into the apartment via the road side door and leaving the apartment as though he had exited via the patio door?

Anyway, it ended up with two of his friends going to see Jez Wilkins to ask him what he could remember about the night Madeleine allegedly went missing, was taken or abducted and they had spent some time on the road side outside apartment 5A talking? Any way the long and the short of this, was that Gerald McCann changed his account and told police that at 9.05pm when he went to do a check on 5A, that he entered and left via the patio door on the poolside of the premises...

Why did he alter his account about the door he used to enter the apartment, and exit it?

Seems to me, that Jez Wilkins must have told Mathew Oldfield that he first became aware of Gerald McCann when he saw him ferreting about in the bushes in his garden, and then how he left the premises altogether via the gated concrete steps, and they had stopped and chatted for awhile...

It' really strange that neither Gerald McCann or Jez Wilkins saw Jane Tanner walking past them, or that neither of them, saw 'TANNERMAN walking across the top of the road junction a short distance away. Even more puzzling is the claim by Totman that he was that person she had seen, albeit he has no recollection of seeing anyone at all either walking in the street or simply standing together talking to one another. Gerald McCann doesn't see Jane Tanner, nor does he see 'TANNERMAN', and Jez Wilkins doesn't see Jane Tanner, or 'TANNERMAN' carrying a child in his arms. And, of course we have 'TANNERMAN' not seeing Jane Tanner, not seeing Jez Wilkins, or Gerald McCann - none of it makes sense because any parent carrying or walking across a road junction would always look into the road to see if there's anything going to run them over. If Totmann was 'TANNERMAN' and he was carrying a young child, irrespective of whether the child he was carrying was Madeleine McCann, or his own child, why would he walk across a busy through road / junction and  recklessly puts himself, the child and the driver of such a vehicle at risk of coming to harm?

I think Jane Tanner made it all up, for the purpose of showing support for Gerald McCann...

Gerald McCann, and Jez Wilkins didn't see Jane Tanner, or TANNERMAN because she made the narrative up, and there wasn't even a TANNERMAN for any one to see and take note on..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2019, 01:19:PM
This person has got something to do with what happened to Madeleine McCann:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 08:07:AM
This person has got something to do with what happened to Madeleine McCann:-

I base my concern on the fact that he was a confirmed sex attacker / abuser, and moreover the fact that in the derelict building I discovered a pair of blue coloured jeans and a similar checked shirt / top, and that police have confirmed that Raymond Hewitt was in Portugal on the day of Madeleine McCanns disappearence...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=2161)

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=2161

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=2157)

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=2162u)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:10:PM
Blue coloured jeans, a checked top and the fact that Ràymond Hewitt was a convicted sex offender who was known to be present in Portugal at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence ( evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007)..

But I doubt very much that he acted alone,..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:13:PM
Blue coloured jeans, a checked top and the fact that Ràymond Hewitt was a convicted sex offender who was known to be present in Portugal at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence ( evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007)..

But I doubt very much that he acted alone,..

None of the identified suspects (thus far), acted alone..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:24:PM
None of the identified suspects (thus far), acted alone..

The McCanns, the Paynes, the Oldfield's, Jane Tanner / Russell O'Brien and their children were part and parcel of 'something, far bigger', which has also involved, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, the Gorrod couple, the Carpenters, staff at the Ocean Club, the Portuguese and British governments, and a host of other individuals in a list to long to mention...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:25:PM
The McCanns, the Paynes, the Oldfield's, Jane Tanner / Russell O'Brien and their children were part and parcel of 'something, far bigger', which has also involved, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, the Gorrod couple, the Carpenters, staff at the Ocean Club, the Portuguese and British governments, and a host of other individuals in a list to long to mention...

It is / was not a conspiracy as such but rather something far more sinister...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:29:PM
It was ño accident that Madeleine McCann vanished during the so called family holiday - the McCann parents, and the other members of their group, knew before they left the UK that Madeleine had been selected as the child that would falsely be reported as taken, vanished or abducted...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:34:PM
The mystery relating to the disappearence of Madeline McCann was ceremoniously undertaken, and everything that has followed has been deliberately concealed to protect all those people who hold high office, who are sick, perverted and vile officials from countries all over the world...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:40:PM
The mystery relating to the disappearence of Madeline McCann was ceremoniously undertaken, and everything that has followed has been deliberately concealed to protect all those people who hold high office, who are sick, perverted and vile officials from countries all over the world...

Know the truth - it's a well organised operation involving the permanent or temporary (in some instances) disappearence of children from around the so called globe (flat earth) organised on behalf of national or international officails..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:43:PM
Sometimes, the child that is taken is ñot physically abused, but the vast màjority are, and many become necessary sacrifices...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:47:PM
Sometimes, the child that is taken is ñot physically abused, but the vast màjority are, and many become necessary sacrifices...

Almost all the child victims of this appalling ritual, suffer physically, emotionlessly, psycholigically, and socially, other than all those who pay the ultimate sacrifice...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:48:PM
Almost all the child victims of this appalling ritual, suffer physically, emotionlessly, psycholigically, and socially, other than all those who pay the ultimate sacrifice...

They are 'lawfully murdered'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 12:56:PM
If there is /was a god, or the equivalent of the same (in any religious practice or belief), he or she did not give any fellow human being the power to impose laws or punishments on anybody else...

Also involved in these so called abductions of minors, are religious leaders, including the roman catholic church...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 01:02:PM
If there is /was a god, or the equivalent of the same (in any religious practice or belief), he or she did not give any fellow human being the power to impose laws or punishments on anybody else...

Also involved in these so called abductions of minors, are religious leaders, including the roman catholic church...

God, in whatever disguise, or point of reference, he/she gave us all the exact same powers of 'free will', (not necessarily the same bodies or configuration of well beingness) ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 01:07:PM
Madeleine McCann is dead, she was taken / she was handed over in the knowledge that she would be ceremoniously sacrificed in a long standing and well practiced ritual for the good of all..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 01:12:PM
Demonic powers are at work in this matter, it's no longer a case of 'better the devil you know, than the devil you don't...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 01:13:PM
Demonic powers are at work in this matter, it's no longer a case of 'better the devil you know, than the devil you don't...

What we are dealing with here...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 01:14:PM
What we are dealing with here...

Is something far more unimaginable...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2019, 01:17:PM
Is something far more unimaginable...

Kate McCann went on TV and said 'we know the truth, and the truth will come out' or words to that /this effect - that's just it, she and her husband do know the truth, so why are they lying to us?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 01:13:AM
Damaged metal shutter at wrong apartment 5A bedroom window...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 01:21:AM
Damaged metal shutter at wrong apartment 5A bedroom window...

Maintenance worker attends apartment 5A to repair damaged shutter of the McCann parents bedroom window prior to the occasion of Madeleine McCanns alleged abduction...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 01:27:AM
Maintenance worker attends apartment 5A to repair damaged shutter of the McCann parents bedroom window prior to the occasion of Madeleine McCanns alleged abduction...

Amazing how the metal shutter of the children's bedroom window 'LIES' at the heart of Madeleine's bedroom window, and that no evidence exists to confirm that any would be abductor entered or exited the premises via that bedroom window, and that prior to this allegedly occurring it was the parents bedroom window that was damaged..

What an astonishing coincidence..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 01:33:AM
Was / is there a connection between the date the McCann parents reported their damaged bedroom window shutter, it being repaired, and the claim that some would be abductor entered and or exited the children's bedroom (shuttered) window on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 01:47:AM
Maintenance worker attends apartment 5A to repair damaged shutter of the McCann parents bedroom window prior to the occasion of Madeleine McCanns alleged abduction...

Rather interestingly enough, on the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007, an employee of the Ocean Club used a pass key to let another guest into their apartment because they had lost their apartment key (around 9pm, or thereabouts). The pass key went missing from the main reception, beleved to have been taken to replace another pass key that went missing from the maintenance office safe and thus far remains unaccounted for..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 02:06:AM
Rather interestingly enough, on the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007, an employee of the Ocean Club used a pass key to let another guest into their apartment because they had lost their apartment key (around 9pm, or thereabouts). The pass key went missing from the main reception, beleved to have been taken to replace another pass key that went missing from the maintenance office safe and thus far remains unaccounted for..

In a nutshell, one Ocean Club apartment door pass key vanished on the very same evening that Madeleine McCann went missing, or was abducted, or her body was disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 06:45:AM
Just then, as he had just settled his mind and he was leaving the iron gate at the bottom of some concrete steps which afforded access to the patio and its door on the poolside of the premises he came face to face with a tennis companion of his, Jez Wilkins. He was startled by the sudden appearance of Jez, who had a pushchair with him. Gerald McCann was worried that Jez had seen him ferreting about in the bushes of the poolside front garden of apartment 5A.

But which side of the road was Jez Wilkins on when he first noticed Gerald McCann coming out of the gated concrete steps. Moreover, was Jez pushing his pram along down hill, or up hill?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 07:41:AM
But which side of the road was Jez Wilkins on when he first noticed Gerald McCann coming out of the gated concrete steps. Moreover, was Jez pushing his pram along down hill, or up hill?

Jez Wilkins apartment was situated in block 4 door No. 0...

We find that Jez was walking pushing his pram uphill before he spotted Gerald McCann exiting the gate. Just before that Jez had visited the toilet of the Tapas Bar, taking his son who was wide awake by this time along with him. Afterwards he walked uphill towards the mini reception which was on his left. It was when he was almost opposite the alleyway on the other side of the road which ran parallel with the poolside of the tapas bar and blocks 5 and 4, that he first became aware of Gerald McCann. Jez crossed over the street towards McCann who was stood with his back to the gate, they talked there for 3 or 4 minutes.According to what Jez Wilkins told the police it was about 9.15pm when this occurred. He did not see anyone else in the street when he had been briefly talking to Gerald McCann..

It is not surprising therefore, that both McCann and Wilkins did not see anyone at all walking in the street passed them, because Jane Tanner and TANNERMAN must have already  been and gone, if either were there alone. Jez Wilkins says it was 9.15pm when he stopped to chat with Gerald MacCann, whereas, Jane Tanner had left the tapas bar at 9.10pm. If true, then Jane Tanner has given a false account regarding when she claims to have seen them there before she saw TANNERMAN walking across the road junction which was about 10 - 15 metresbed. ay. Wilkins and McCann weren't even there when Jane Tanner left the tapas bar at 9.10pm, and so she couldn't have seen them there. If what Jez Wilkins says is true, then he wasn't outside McCanns apartment until 5 minutes or so, after Jane Tanner had passed there, herself. It also means that TANNERMAN wasn't crossing the road junction carrying a child in his arms rather so conveniently when moments before Gerald McCann had seen Madeleine asleep in her bed. Gerald McCann would have still been inside apartment 5A at the time Jane Tanner claims to have seen the would be abductor. Interestingly enough, there was a five minute overlap of time, where Gerald McCann and Jane Tanner would have been absent together, at either the McCann apartment, or her own. That was ample time for one or other to move Madeleine McCanns body out of the apartment, and into the bushes...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 08:11:AM
Was Jane Tanner, 'TANNERMAN', did she carry Madeleine McCanns body out of the apartment and hand it over to Gerald McCann in the bushes?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 08:15:AM
Why didn't Jez Wilkins notice that the shutter to the McCann children's room was raised up, and the window open with curtains flailing about - he had to go directly past that crucial window to his own apartment in block 4...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 08:28:AM
Why didn't Jez Wilkins notice that the shutter to the McCann children's room was raised up, and the window open with curtains flailing about - he had to go directly past that crucial window to his own apartment in block 4...

Considering that Jez Wilkins had spent 3 or 4 minutes chatting together with Gerald McCann at the gate of apartment 5A, and thereafter both going their separate ways, McCann back to the tapas bar, and Wilkins back to his apartment, that if the shutter had been raised by that stage already, the window open, and the curtains flailing, at a window on the opposite side of the apartment where Gerald McCann appeared to have been busy in the bushes of his garden, or had he left the apartment via the patio door on the other side of the building, and then to go directly to the tapas bar, that Jez Wilkins would not have gone back to the tapas bar after him to inform Gerald McCann that he had left a window open with his young children by all accounts sleeping, alone, and at risk back in apartment 5A?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 08:37:AM
And, then of course, if by the time Jez Wilkins had said his farewell to Gerald McCann on the pavement in the vicinity of the gate which afforded access to the bushes in the garden, and the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment, and the shutter to the ground floor bedroom window had not been raised up, nor the window open, and no curtains flailing when Jez made his way back to his own apartment, then of course Jane Tanners 'TANNERMAN' could not possibly have been the would be abductor who took Madeleine McCann in his àrms through the bedroom window, already...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 08:51:AM
And, then of course, if by the time Jez Wilkins had said his farewell to Gerald McCann on the pavement in the vicinity of the gate which afforded access to the bushes in the garden, and the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment, and the shutter to the ground floor bedroom window had not been raised up, nor the window open, and no curtains flailing when Jez made his way back to his own apartment, then of course Jane Tanners 'TANNERMAN' could not possibly have been the would be abductor who took Madeleine McCann in his àrms through the bedroom window, already...

On at least 5 separate occasions that we already know about, 9pm, 9.05pm, 9.10pm 9.15pm, and 9.30pm, none of the four people who had the opportunity to notice the window shutter of apartment 5A raised up, the window open, and the curtains flailing (Mathew Oldfield, Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner Jez Wilkins and Mathew Oldfield) saw anything to remotely inspire anyone into believing that an abductor kidnapped Madeleine through that window...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 08:55:AM
On at least 5 separate occasions that we already know about, 9pm, 9.05pm, 9.10pm 9.15pm, and 9.30pm, none of the four people who had the opportunity to notice the window shutter of apartment 5A raised up, the window open, and the curtains flailing (Mathew Oldfield, Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner Jez Wilkins and Mathew Oldfield) saw anything to remotely inspire anyone into believing that an abductor kidnapped Madeleine through that window...

It's not possible to force open the metal window shutters from the outside without causing noticeable damage to the shutter, and leaving clear evidence of tool marks also visible...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 10:48:AM
Any intruder inside apartment 5A, would have no need to climb out of the children's bedroom window, there was no need for any would be kidnapper to force open the window shutter, or to force the window to enter the premises, because according to the McCanns they left the sliding patio door on the road side of apartment 5À unlocked. Not only that, but a suspect would know that the patio door of apartment 5A might be unlocked if the metal shutter on the patio door was raised up. However, the door itself could still be locked. Alternatively, if the shutter is fully down, the door beyond the shutter could be unlocked. The mechanism for raising and lowering the metal shutter to the patio door, and for locking, or unlocking the patio door itself are fitted on the inside wall and or door.

I don't believe that the McCanns left the metal shutter of the patio door of apartment 5A fully raised, and the patio door itself unlocked. At best the shutter was lowered down when they left, and the patio door could have been left unlocked, but you wouldn't be able to enter the apartment via the unlocked patio door, because your ability to get beyond the lowered metal shutter which can only be raised and lowered by operating the raise and lowering mechanism fitted inside beyond the locked off metal shutter, and the unlocked patio door...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 10:53:AM
Any intruder inside apartment 5A, would have no need to climb out of the children's bedroom window, there was no need for any would be kidnapper to force open the window shutter, or to force the window to enter the premises, because according to the McCanns they left the sliding patio door on the road side of apartment 5À unlocked. Not only that, but a suspect would know that the patio door of apartment 5A might be unlocked if the metal shutter on the patio door was raised up. However, the door itself could still be locked. Alternatively, if the shutter is fully down, the door beyond the shutter could be unlocked. The mechanism for raising and lowering the metal shutter to the patio door, and for locking, or unlocking the patio door itself are fitted on the inside wall and or door.

I don't believe that the McCanns left the metal shutter of the patio door of apartment 5A fully raised, and the patio door itself unlocked. At best the shutter was lowered down when they left, and the patio door could have been left unlocked, but you wouldn't be able to enter the apartment via the unlocked patio door, because your ability to get beyond the lowered metal shutter which can only be raised and lowered by operating the raise and lowering mechanism fitted inside beyond the locked off metal shutter, and the unlocked patio door...

This leads me to suspect, that if someone did enter apartment 5A and take Madeleine, that they did not enter or exit via the childrens bedroom window, but that they had a duplicate key for the roadside door, or that nothing of the sort happened involving a would be abductor, or kidnapper, the parents made the story up...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 02:36:PM
It has suddenly dawned on me why Gerald McÇann was initially worried about what (if anything) Jez Wilkins might have seen or taken note of in the moments before he actually crossed the street and spoke to Gerald McCann at the gate of apartment 5A - from his vantage point on the other side of the street Jez Wilkins would have clearly been able to see whether or not the metal shutter to the patio door of apartment 5A was raised up, or as the case may be lowered down and unable to be raised or lowered by anyone on the outside of the patio door, because the mechanism for raising or lowering the shutter could only be operated by someone inside the apartment...

Imagine for one moment that that patio door metal shutter was lowered down and that Jez Wilkins knew the significance of it being down, for example, that Gerald McCann had not left apartment 5A by the patio door on the poolside of the apartment and he would have been suspicious of Gerald McCann ferreting around in the bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A? Also bear in mind the significance of the Grimes dog later on giving positive alerts in those bushes of that same garden..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 03:15:PM

Imagine for one moment that that patio door metal shutter was lowered down and that Jez Wilkins knew the significance of it being down, for example, that Gerald McCann had not left apartment 5A by the patio door on the poolside of the apartment and he would have been suspicious of Gerald McCann ferreting around in the bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A once Also bear in mind the significance of the Grimes dog later on giving positive alerts in those bushes of that same garden..

On his way up the street after a visit to the toilet at the tapas bar of the Ocean Club, he had crossed over the street so that by the time he was approaching the nearest corner of the McCann apartment he was already travelling up the right hand side of the street, with the mini reception the alleyway, and apartment 5A, were to his left on the opposite side of the street. As such there would have been several opportunities to see whether or not the metal shutter of the patio door to apartment 5A, was raised, or lowered - using google earth Images I have successfully been able to recreate the general view available to Jez Wilkins prior to him seeing Gerald McCann exiting the metal gate of his apartment...

As I say if the metal shutter was down on the McCann patio door, Gerald McCann could not have come out from 5A by that route. He would have gone in, then come out of the road side door. So, if he entered and exited apartment 5A using the other door, what was he doing in the bushes of the garden below the apartments patio?

The view of apartment 5A's patio door area,  by Jez Wilkins from positions on the right hand side of the street takes on further significance because eye witnesses observed a man on different occasions who gave them an impression that the men were watching apartment 5A from the same general area that Jez Wilkins had on another occasion....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 04:08:PM
The PJ were that convinced that the parents and all their friends had got rid of Madeleine McCanns body, that they even searched underground tombs beneath St Vincents church..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 07, 2019, 04:13:PM
The PJ were that convinced that the parents and all their friends had got rid of Madeleine McCanns body, that they even searched underground tombs beneath St Vincents church..

Not very far away, the derelict building across the street from the church held dark secrets...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 08, 2019, 02:06:AM
Just want to mention that if a guest leaves their apartment and locks the main door with a key and takes the key with them, anyone inside the apartment (let's say, 5A) can open the door by operating a catch built into the internal lock mechanism with no requirement to posses a door key...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2019, 02:35:PM
 Dialogue from beyond Madeleine McCanns shallow grave :-

She said ' she can't wait for the day that she can be laid to rest and have a proper Christian burial'. He said, 'this little angel would like to be found / recovered by Christmas eve'. I say, 'so be it'..

But they say 'It'll be the ruin of us'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2019, 07:03:PM
Dialogue from beyond Madeleine McCanns shallow grave :-

She said ' she can't wait for the day that she can be laid to rest and have a proper Christian burial'. He said, 'this little angel would like to be found / recovered by Christmas eve'. I say, 'so be it'..

But they say 'It'll be the ruin of us'...

She said, 'its only a matter of time', but that where she is she says that - 'time stands still'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2019, 10:13:PM
More children have gone missing in Portugal (between 3rd May 2007 and May 2012) since Madeleine McCann disappeared...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 09, 2019, 11:16:PM
Mystery man (Jamie Pyatt ) caught watching Gerald McCann and the McCann children, turned out to be a senior reporter for the Sun newspaper...

Press were already interested in the McCann family at the Mark Warner complex before Madeleine McCann went missing..

Why?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 12:25:AM
So, The press were already there in the Mark Warner playground taking an interest in Madeleine before she went missing, and then of course there was Jez Wilkins (producer) with his pram outside the McCann apartment (5A), only minutes after Gerald McCann had just seen Madeleine a sleep in her bed.. In addition, his wife once worked in CrimeWatch documentaries...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 12:47:AM
And then, there is the Gorrod couple, with no apartment allocated to them to stay in of their own - and a hire car rented at the airport, fitted with a child seat, that was absent when the hire car was returned.They are believed to have stayed with Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner in their apartment on the first night of there stay...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 01:29:AM
Also, the Carpenter couple who left the tapas bar at about 9.15pm on the night Madeleine supposedly disappeared. Upon leaving the small reception door, and after crossing the street en route to their apartment, Mrs Carpenter recalled on the following morning that as she and her husband were crossing over to the other side of the street,  that she heard someone calling out Madeline's name repeatedly. This is interesting because Gerald McCann still hadn't returned back to the tapas bar restuarant. Mrs Carpenters witness statement contents have not been disclosed by the PJ. We need to know whether or not the voice she heard calling out Madeline's name repeatedly at around 9.15pm, was a mans voice, or the voice was of a female? Gerald McCann left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.05pm on that evening. Jane Tanner left there at 9.10pm, so both Gerald McCann and Jane Tanner were absent from the tapas bar restuarant at the time that Mrs Carpenter heard someone calling out Madeline's name repeatedly...

If the voice heard by Mrs Carpenter, was a male voice it is doubtful that it was the voice of anyone else other than that of Gerald McCann, but according to his account Madeleine was fast asleep in her bed before Jez Wilkins spotted him coming out of the gate leading up to the patio of apartment 5A. I would bet a penny to a pound that Gerald McCann was meddling around in the bushes of the apartments front garden on the poolside of the apartment. If true, and it was his voice that Mrs Carpenter calling out Madeline's name repeatedly, why would he be calling out his daughters name outside beneath the patio where the bushes were?

On the other hand, if it was a woman's voice calling out Madeline's name over and over,  suspicion has to fall upon Jane Tanner. Why would she  be calling out Madeline's name over and over outside of apartment 5A, or from the vicinity of the car park on the other side of the apartment, if as claimed by Gerald McCann that Madeleine was sound a sleep in her bed just before he had left the apartment...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:10:AM
On the other hand, if it was a woman's voice calling out Madeline's name over and over,  suspicion has to fall upon Jane Tanner. Why would she  be calling out Madeline's name over and over outside of apartment 5A, or from the vicinity of the car park on the other side of the apartment, if as claimed by Gerald McCann that Madeleine was sound a sleep in her bed just before he had left the apartment...

It seems odds on, that Jayne Tanner did not see Gerald McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street outside the gate of the gable end of apartment 5A, at 9.10pm, because Jez Wilkins recalls the time he met and talked with Gerald McCann at 9.15pm. Their conversation lasted 3 / 4 minutes, and according to Gerald McCanns account he was back at the tapas bar restuarant by 9.20pm, but if the truth be known he never returned there at all. He was the man seen by the Smith contingent carrying Madeleine in his arms in the direction of the beach at 10pm...

Hazarding a guess, I think that Jane Tanner was in the front garden of apartment 5A when Jez Wilkins saw Gerald McCann exiting the gate. Perhaps Jez Wilkins never knew that McCann and Tanner were in the front garden of apartment 5A, together. Obviously, Wilkins would have no recollection of seeing Jayne Tanner passing him when he was talking to Gerald McCann in the street. That was because she wasn't in the street like she claims, and Gerald McCann knew that she was hiding in the garden of 5A until Wilkins and McCann went their separate ways...

Soon afterwards, Gerald McCann carried off Madeline's body, assisted temporarily by Jayne Tanner, she carried Madeline's body to the garden wall and handed her over to him. McCann walked off up the alleyway in the direction of block 4, and turned sharp right up a path which separated blocks 5 and 4 crossed the car park on the roadside of these apartment, turning immediately left up towards the road junction, crossed over the street close to where Moitger Mary's statue stands, before making his way down hill towards the narrow street near 'LUZDOC' where he bumped into the Smith contingent...

Meanwhile, Jayne Tanner introduced the 'TANNERMAN' narrative as part of a plan to give Gerald McCann an alibi, and get the police to concentrate on finding 'TANNERMAN', who walked away from the scene heading in the general direction of Robert Murat's abode..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:17:AM
It seems odds on, that Jayne Tanner did not see Gerald McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street outside the gate of the gable end of apartment 5A, at 9.10pm, because Jez Wilkins recalls the time he met and talked with Gerald McCann at 9.15pm. Their conversation lasted 3 / 4 minutes, and according to Gerald McCanns account he was back at the tapas bar restuarant by 9.20pm, but if the truth be known he never returned there at all. He was the man seen by the Smith contingent carrying Madeleine in his arms in the direction of the beach at 10pm...

Hazarding a guess, I think that Jane Tanner was in the front garden of apartment 5A when Jez Wilkins saw Gerald McCann exiting the gate. Perhaps Jez Wilkins never knew that McCann and Tanner were in the front garden of apartment 5A, together. Obviously, Wilkins would have no recollection of seeing Jayne Tanner passing him when he was talking to Gerald McCann in the street. That was because she wasn't in the street like she claims, and Gerald McCann knew that she was hiding in the garden of 5A until Wilkins and McCann went their separate ways...

Soon afterwards, Gerald McCann carried off Madeline's body, assisted temporarily by Jayne Tanner, she carried Madeline's body to the garden wall and handed her over to him. McCann walked off up the alleyway in the direction of block 4, and turned sharp right up a path which separated blocks 5 and 4 crossed the car park on the roadside of these apartment, turning immediately left up towards the road junction, crossed over the street close to where Mother Mary's statue stands, before making his way down hill towards the narrow street near 'LUZDOC' where he bumped into the Smith contingent...

Meanwhile, Jayne Tanner introduced the 'TANNERMAN' narrative as part of a plan to give Gerald McCann an alibi, and get the police to concentrate on finding 'TANNERMAN', who walked away from the scene heading in the general direction of Robert Murat's abode..

It is rather interesting that just prior to Jez Wilkins meeting up with Gerald McCann outside the McCann apartment, that Wilkins used the toilet in the tapas bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:24:AM
The Carpenter couple did not see anyone in the street when going back to their apartment at 9.15pm. They didn't see Gerald McCann, Jez Wilkins or Jayne Tanner, or any would be abductor, and once at the top of the street they turned sharp right toward their apartment, which was in the same direction that Jayne Tanner claimed  'TANNERMAN' had walked off in...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:28:AM
It is rather interesting that just prior to Jez Wilkins meeting up with Gerald McCann outside the McCann apartment, that Wilkins used the toilet in the tapas bar...

Was it a possibility that Madeleine McCanns body was carted off away from apartment 5A in Jez Wilkins pushchair?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:49:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:50:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:51:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:52:AM
Why are they both laughing openly just 9 days after Madeleine supposedly vanished?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:53:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:54:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 02:56:AM
Scene of Smith sighting (10 pm) of Gerald McCann (near 'LUZDOC')

Gerald McCann crossed the following road / path junction in the direction of the sea, the beach, the church and the derelict building...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 03:01:AM
Searched areas in close proximity to the derelict building across the road from the village church where the McCann couple sought nightly refuge to escape media attention...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 04:13:AM
Satanic Cult in Portugal

Remember the Cassa Pia child abuse sex scandal that was under investigation  between 2002 - 2010, involving diplomats and government officials, the church and childcare workers...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2019, 09:08:AM
I do not believe that the McCann parents moved Madeline's body in the back of the Renault scenic hire car 3 week or so later  - I think her clothing (pyjamas) was removed from her body and that it was her belongings that were transported in the hatch back / boot of the car. I think it would have been too risky to move the body in the back of that vehicle. I am also as sure as I can be that the pyjama set worn by Madeleine at the time of her disappearence was / is the very same pyjama set that the McCanns paraded in front of the media. It was too big to have belonged to one of the twins. If I am correct in believing this, then it links the McCanns directly to the disposal of Madeline's body...

I think those pink pyjamas belonged to Madeleine, and that prior to them becoming displayed to the press / media, that Kate McCann washed them in the same way she washed Madeline's cuddle cat toy in a bid to get rid of any incriminating evidence that might tie them, and others to the Madeleine disappearance..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 11, 2019, 02:17:AM
I am currently analysing the mobile phone data collected by the PJ. It's all very interesting. I have got every bodies mobile phone numbers and the records of who called who, and when. I think its a mistake to simply look at the available data concerning all the calls and SMS messages that passed between the major role players in this investigation on Thursday 3rd May 2007. We need to analyse this data from further back, for example, from the 29th April 2007, onward...

Some of the characters in this long drawn out saga had two or more different mobile telephones at their disposal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 11, 2019, 10:37:PM
I am currently analysing the mobile phone data collected by the PJ. It's all very interesting. I have got every bodies mobile phone numbers and the records of who called who, and when. I think its a mistake to simply look at the available data concerning all the calls and SMS messages that passed between the major role players in this investigation on Thursday 3rd May 2007. We need to analyse this data from further back, for example, from the 29th April 2007, onward...

Some of the characters in this long drawn out saga had two or more different mobile telephones at their disposal...

Let's examine the established facts...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 11, 2019, 10:41:PM
Let us examine, the factual evidence that someone like Jane Tanner claims that there was an abductor, kidnapper...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 11, 2019, 10:44:PM
Let us examine, the factual evidence that someone like Jane Tanner claims that there was an abductor, kidnapper...

What a load of bollocks, and nonsense....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 03:39:AM
Examination of Jayne Tanner, and Russell O'Brien's back ground, and links to an apartment {not widely known about)  in Portugal (post abduction narrative} is a place of interest in this investigation...

Jayne Tanner is 'a dodgy character', along with Russell O'Brien - who have / are officially linked to this 'other residency' not too far away from apartment 5A (which could have /or may be linked or associated with the disappearence of Madeleine McCann).....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 04:03:AM
Quote from: mike tesko link=topic=386.msg462939#msg462939 date=

Jayne Tanner is 'a dodgy character', along with Russell O'Brien - who have / are officially linked to this 'other residency' not too far away from apartment 5A (which could have /or may be linked or associated with the disappearence of Madeleine McCann).....

Was/is this residency linked with the Gorrod couple, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, or any associate of themselves...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 07:57:AM
Despite claims made by members and supporters of team McCànn, alleging that the PJ botched the investigation a hoard of evidence exists which proves otherwise
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 10:56:AM
Despite claims made by members and supporters of team McCànn, alleging that the PJ botched the investigation a hoard of evidence exists which proves otherwise

I personally, don't believe a word that comes out of their rotten gobs.....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 11:02:AM
I personally, don't believe a word that comes out of their rotten gobs.....

The punishment of death by hanging, should be re- instated for the type of crime they are responsible for, here is a clear example, of serious criminals manipulating the general public in much the same way that 'the powers that be, do'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 11:07:AM
Madeleine McCann is dead, none of the lies advocated by Scotland yards operation 'grange' can bring this little child's life back to life
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 11:22:AM
Madeleine McCann is dead, none of the lies advocated by Scotland yards operation 'grange' can bring this little child's life back to life

Speaking as a previous (falsely accused offender) a convicted felon, who has had direct involvement with many of the UK's high profile offenders (triple category 'A' defendants), I have learned an invaluable lesson - most if not all, admit to what they have been accused of doing, and having been convicted of and they try to justify (if possible / or acceptable) why they did what they did...

The McCann parents and the other members of their group wouldn't be able to fool the seriously convicted criminals in the UK's criminal justice system of their innocence, they would need to be on 24 hour protection from being at risk of being attacked by other low life criminals (like me), from being hanged,  slashed, or have boiling hot water infused with white sugar thrown upon their bodies. 

They, know Madeleine McCann is dead, they know what happened to her, and what they did with, and to her body, and clothing...

Not only that /this but other members of their rotten / despicable gang know the truth regarding what really did lead to the death of Madeleine McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2019, 11:41:AM
Don't be fooled into thinking or believing that the McCann parents and their friends are suffering immensely because of the disappearence and loss of Madeleine McCann's life, because if the truth be known they are all extremely happy that thus far they are getting away with it...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 15, 2019, 12:15:PM
I think it has been a huge mistake treating the disappearence /death / abduction / disposal of Madeleine McCann as occurring after 9.05pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, when Gerald McCann saw Madeleine alive and a sleep in her bed inside apartment 5A whilst doing a check...

Whatever happened to Madeleine McCann, it almost certainly did not occur on the evening of 3rd May 2007. Some people theorise that she died as early as 30th April 2007, 1st May 2007, 2nd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 15, 2019, 12:40:PM
I think it has been a huge mistake treating the disappearence /death / abduction / disposal of Madeleine McCann as occurring after 9.05pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, when Gerald McCann saw Madeleine alive and a sleep in her bed inside apartment 5A whilst doing a check...

Whatever happened to Madeleine McCann, it almost certainly did not occur on the evening of 3rd May 2007. Some people theorise that she died as early as 30th April 2007, 1st May 2007, 2nd May 2007..

It is therefore necessary, to look into all forms of communication between  the McCann parents, Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, other members of the tapas 9 group, Murat, Malinka, Freud, from the moment that the McCann parents arrived in Portugal on that holiday break, including telephone calls, text messages and emails...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 15, 2019, 12:46:PM
It is therefore necessary, to look into all forms of communication between  the McCann parents, Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, other members of the tapas 9 group, Murat, Malinka, Freud, from the moment that the McCann parents arrived in Portugal on that holiday break, including telephone calls, text messages and emails...

Let's start that process by identifying telephone records amongst persons of interest to this matter...

Gerald McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 15, 2019, 12:59:PM
Gerald McCann had access and usage of at least three different mobile telephones:-

447771591461
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 15, 2019, 03:43:PM
I am getting rather lost now Mike. When do you say Maddie died and what is the significance of Gerry having three mobile telephones at his disposal?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 15, 2019, 04:42:PM
I am getting rather lost now Mike. When do you say Maddie died and what is the significance of Gerry having three mobile telephones at his disposal?

Bear with me, it will all become apparent by midnight, or thereabouts I will also explain why Scotland Yard, are insisting that Madeleine McCann was abducted or kidnapped. You cannot be prosecuted for abducting or kidnapping a corpse, only for theft of clothing and footwear, or a blanket, or a sheet worn or covering them at the time 'he or she' was taken.. There was a case in Barnsley, South Yorkshire in the mid to late 1980's, where some local criminals snatched a body from the towns mortuary. The people concerned dressed the corpse up in clothing and took it (male corpse) to local pubs and bought the body a few drinks, and when they eventually got arrested, the cops and CPS couldn't charge them with kidnapping of the body, or abduction because when you are dead you have no legal rights - the cops could only charge these people with 'theft of a shroud' and a small term of imprisonment imposed....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 15, 2019, 10:08:PM
So, here we are on the tràil of what really did happen to Madeleine McCann...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 12:27:AM
Madeleine McCann was not kidnapped or abducted from apartment 5A, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, by virtue of the fact that she was already dead by that stage, and had been dead or had died, since as long ago as the 30th April, or around midnight on the 1st / 2nd May 2007.Linked to the timing of Madeleine McCanns death was /is the return to Portugal from the UK by Robert Murat on the 1st of May 2007, and the general circumstances of Mrs Fenns report that she heard a child persistently crying for the period of about 10.30pm until about 11.45pm, on the evening of 1st May 2007. This coincided with the attendance of the McCann couple at Chaplin's bar from around 10pm until about midnight on this very same evening. Madeleine McCanns death came about because of one or other, or both of her parents, and other members of the so called tapas 9 group all getting themselves involved in the occult, Satanism, and the misguided belief that her death was supposed to have been symbolic in nature (sacrificial), She was almost certainly sacrificed (killed) in apartment 5A, whilst the McCann parents were away from the apartment...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55837)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:26:AM
I am satisfied that Gerald McCann knew before his family flew out to Portugal that Madeleine was at risk of being harmed ritualistically..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:32:AM
I am satisfied that Gerald McCann knew before his family flew out to Portugal that Madeleine was at risk of being harmed ritualistically..

He was under the impression, that the intended / anticipated ritual that awaited Madeleine McCann at Prai de Luz, Portugal was only going to be conducted symbolically. He wasn't 100% certain of this, hence whilst travelling on a transfer bus from or to an aeroplane, when prompted by another male member of the group, he made specific comments supporting his view that he had no reason to be happy, or to cheer up, and that that / this was the main reason why he was coming on the holiday...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:37:AM
There's an old saying, ' better the devil you know, than the devil you don't'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:40:AM
. He wasn't 100% certain of this, hence whilst travelling on a transfer bus from or to an aeroplane, when prompted by another male member of the group, he made specific comments supporting his view that he had no reason to be happy, or to cheer up, and that that / this was the main reason why he was coming on the holiday...

So, what was the reason for him coming /going to Praia de Luz, Portugal if as he said, he wasn't there to enjoy himself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:43:AM
Kate Healey / McCann admits that prior to going on the holiday to Portugal that she had a foreboding that something bad or terrible was going to happen...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:44:AM
Kate Healey / McCann admits that prior to going on the holiday to Portugal that she had a foreboding that something bad or terrible was going to happen...

  Like what? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:50:AM
Another insight into this tragedy, was the fact that Kate uses the excuse, that they decided not to take a pushchair on the holiday for the twins, which meant the it was too much of a burden to take all three children to the restuarant for breakfast every morning, forcing them to eat breakfast back in their apartment (5A), from very early on in their make believe holiday break.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 04:54:AM
Another insight into this tragedy, was the fact that Kate uses the excuse, that they decided not to take a pushchair on the holiday for the twins, which meant the it was too much of a burden to take all three children to the restuarant for breakfast every morning, forcing them to eat breakfast back in their apartment (5A), from very early on in their make believe holiday break.

However, later on with Madeleine out of the way, (post the evening of the 3rd May 2007, debackle) the parents were photographed in Praia de Luz accompanying a double buggy containing their twins...

'it beggars belief', that the McCann parents chose 'not to take pushchairs or a double buggy on holiday with them' considering that they had got to transport the twins and Madeleine here, there, or anywhere, or as the case may be, everywhere...

But...

As soon as Madeleine was out of the way, well - the truth speaks for itself...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 10:42:AM
So, what occult organisation are us ordinary folk having to try and look into, an international organisation that is or could be linked to Madeleine McCanns demise?

Knights Templer?

Freemasonry?

Klu Klux Clan?

Satanism?

Witchcraft?

Reptilianship?

Abduction?

Kidnapping?

Pedophilia?

Child sex abuse?

Alienation?

Terrorism?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 10:48:AM
I will let all of you make up your own minds up about that / this...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 10:51:AM
I will let all of you make up your own minds up about that / this...

But I chose to lay the responsibility at the feet of 'THE ÑEW WORLD ORDER'...

Which involves people from different backgrounds, some in position of ultimate authority, and at the other end of the chain in command, ordinary folk...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 10:58:AM
But I chose to lay the responsibility at the feet of 'THE ÑEW WORLD ORDER'...

Which involves people from different backgrounds, some in position of ultimate authority, and at the other end of the chain in command, ordinary folk...
Whichever way any of you choose to look into the circumstances of this particular matter, please bear in mind that 'power corrupts'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 11:00:AM
Whichever way any of you choose to look into the circumstances of this particular matter, please bear in mind that 'power corrupts'...

Governments?

Police?

Civil Servants?

Media?

Organised child trafficking?

and

'The guilty'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 01:06:PM
At the heart of this mystery was the fact that the clergy in charge of St Vincents church in Praia de Luz, was directly involved in the disposal of Madeleine McCanns body in the neighbouring derelict building situated a matter of yards away across the road. Madeleine McCanns 'Satanic symbolic initiation ceremony', was almost certainly linked with the pastor of the village church ( who has also mysteriously vanished from Portugal in similar circumstances to the vanished child victim) Also linked is / wàs the visit to Chaplin's bar by both McCann parents and many of their friends on the evening of 1st May 2007, between 10pm and midnight, and the incident reported by Mrs Fenn involving the  persistent crying by a child during the same period originating from the vicinity of apartment 5A (below)..

There are strong grounds for believing that Madeleine died or was killed just before or at midnight on 1st / 2nd May 2007, at a time when either McCann parent was not present inside apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 08:46:PM

There are strong grounds for believing that Madeleine died or was killed just before or at midnight on 1st / 2nd May 2007, at a time when either McCann parent was not present inside apartment 5A...

Team McCann have altered the timing of Madeleine McCanns disappearence to deliberately create an impossible scenario that they could not have been responsible for her death, the removal of her body and the disposal of her remains àt any time after 9.05pm, and onwards, because all the 9 adult tapas bar members had / would create a seemingly perfect alibi for themselves and each other, for the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 16, 2019, 08:52:PM
Team McCann have altered the timing of Madeleine McCanns disappearence to deliberately create an impossible scenario that they could not have been responsible for her death, the removal of her body and the disposal of her remains àt any time after 9.05pm, and onwards, because all the 9 adult tapas bar members had / would create a seemingly perfect alibi for themselves and each other, for the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007...

Any police investigation into what really happened to Madeleine McCann needs to go right back to the beginning of the holiday, and to be suspicious that Madeleine was almost certainly not alive after midnight 1st / 2nd May 2007...

Ask yourselves why we have heard no explanation about when and who did apartment checks during the evenings of 2nd, 3rd May 2007, or for that matter, on the evenings of 30th and 29th April 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2019, 05:42:AM
What we are dealing with here, is State involvement corruption throughout the globe...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2019, 05:46:AM
What we are dealing with here, is State involvement corruption throughout the globe...

Why haven't the USA, Chinese, French, the churches, Social Services, the UK CPS, the IRA, South Yorkshire Police, or the Russian intelligence services, got themselves involved in trying to find out what really did happen to little Madeleine McCann?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2019, 08:33:AM
Power corrupts - there are many amongst us who are experts at 'misreporting' the truth, the absolute truth and nothing but the truth!

The terrible tragedy which befell little Madeleine McCann in Portugal during some occurence(s) during late April, and the beginning of May 2007, is an appalling matter, that any national or international  police force, or intelligence led authority throughout the entire world, do not want to resolve, or solve, what really took place in the circumstances of Madeleine McCanns disappearence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2019, 09:15:AM
The PJ had information from a would be informer / kidnapper via emails and text messages on the following occasions. Some SMS text messages have not been disclosed because the information and content would tend to expose many of the guilty..


    14th June 2007


(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55730)

    19th June 2007
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2019, 02:05:PM
The derelict building (which is situated directly across the road from the local church) No. 5 Ave dos pescadores is a place of interest in this case for several different reasons. It's close proximity to 'the village Church', 'Chaplin's bar',  'The Old Fort', 'the Sea', close to the apartment where Sergey Malinka lived at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence with his mother, and where Malinka's car got burnt out on the side of his place of residence, with the word 'FALA' (translated in English to be 'TALK') painted in paint on the pavement, as some kind of threat or warning should he decide to talk to the police...

The derelict building is a fascinating place of historical and cultural interest.

In June 2010 when I first came to venture into this building and its rear garden, I felt that these surroundings had got something to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearence, and that her body or her remains are buried in that shallow grave inside a hollow at the near left hand corner of the rear garden. In addition it had à fascinating aura about the place. Here I produce a map of the derelict building and its mystical rear and side garden..

It had an eeriness about the place, like it was some sort of historical grave yard...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2019, 03:26:PM
Look closely at the rear and side gardens of the derelict building..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2019, 11:58:PM
Similar images were captured in the camera I used to photograph other parts of the side and rear garden of the derelict building, and inside it as well.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 18, 2019, 06:39:AM
To My way of thinking Madeleine McCann was almost certainly dead, as a result of a brutal sexual attack inside apartment 5A of the Ocean club. All we know for sure, was that if the child who Mrs Fenn heard continuously crying throughout the period 10.30 - 11.45 pm,  on the evening of 1st May 2007 was Madeleine, then she could have been killed off at the time Mrs Fenn witnessed the crying to cease when at 11.45pm, she heard the patio door of apartment 5A slide open, which corresponded with the child calling out, 'daddy, daddy, daddy' and the crying stopping. This sequence of events caused Mrs Fenn to believe that the McCann couple to have returned to the apartment. However, what Mrs Fenn could not possibly know was whether or not the patio door had been slid open from the inside of the apartment, or whether or not someone had been present in apartment 5A throughout the one hour 15 minute period of incessant crying..

Madeleine was not abducted from apartment 5A, either on the evening of 2nd or the evening of 3rd May 2007. Her death is almost certainly linked to a lone predator, or two predators, who took advantage of the McCann couples and some of their group being absent enjoying themselves down next door to the local church at Chaplin's bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 18, 2019, 07:03:AM

Madeleine was not abducted from apartment 5A, either on the evening of 2nd or the evening of 3rd May 2007. Her death is almost certainly linked to a lone predator, or two predators, who took advantage of the McCann couples and some of their group being absent enjoying themselves down next door to the local church at Chaplin's bar...

The police have gathered phone records, SMX texts and email messages in connection with the investigation, dating from the morning of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, in an attempt to get to the bottom of this case, but they really need to obtain corresponding phone, SMS text, and email records for the 1st of May 2007 - only then will they get some success...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 18, 2019, 08:28:AM
There appears to have been a flurry of MSM text messages between two people made to one another on the morning and early afternoon of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007..

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55960)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 18, 2019, 11:00:AM
There appears to have been a flurry of MSM text messages between two people made to one another on the morning and early afternoon of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007..

SMS messages were deleted from their phones  but I have a question, who's telephone was '447771591461'? Did it belong to Gerald McCann or to  Rachel Manpilly? Why were both of these suspects using the same phone on different occasions?Or, to put it another way, why at such a significant point in the investigation was Manpilly using McCanns mobile telephone, or he using her phone? Sending SMS text messages  to himself  odd behaviour and as if this was not problematic to Gerald McCanns position in this saga?
 




(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386.0;attach=55960)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 18, 2019, 03:32:PM
I believe that although Madeleine was attacked and killed before midnight in apartment 5A on the evening of 1st May 2007, that the parents didn't know what had been going on or had happened to their daughter because they were Chaplins Bar after 10pm on that particular evening, until gone midnight there was no conversation between Madeleine and one or other parent where she is supposed to have  asked why the parents did not come last night when Madeleine and Sean were both crying?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 18, 2019, 03:41:PM
I believe that although Madeleine was attacked and killed before midnight in apartment 5A on the evening of 1st May 2007, that the parents didn't know what had been going on or had happened to their daughter because they were Chaplins Bar after 10pm on that particular evening, until gone midnight there was no conversation between Madeleine and one or other parent where she is supposed to have  asked why the parents did not come last night when Madeleine and Sean were both crying?

The parents invented the incident, Madeleine was already dead to the parents knowledge when they woke up for breakfast..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 18, 2019, 06:13:PM
I was under the impression that none of the members of the tapas 9 group had their personal mobile phones with them when they attended the evening meal at the tapas bar restuarant..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 01:05:AM
Rather disturbing DNA evidence from a sample of sperm was found to be present on Madeleine McCanns bed in apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 01:17:AM
What connection or association did the PJ have in relation to the recover sample of sperm DNA, of / from Simon Andrew Fawkes, Carlo Dambrosio, and Paul Anthony Gordon?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 05:18:AM
What connection or association did the PJ have in relation to the recover sample of sperm DNA, of / from Simon Andrew Fawkes, Carlo Dambrosio, and Paul Anthony Gordon?

  Well it turns out that Carlo Dambrosio rented the apartment for a one week holiday, with his wife on the 14th  of April  2007.

He made a witness statement on the 29th April 2008..



LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD
WITNESS TESTIMONY OF CARLO FRANCISO D'AMBROSIO
Occupation: Hair Dresser

This statement, consisting of three pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have willfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

Date: 29 April 2008
Signature:

I am the above referenced person and live at the address previously given to this police.

On the 14th of April of 2007, in the company of my partner, June HUGHES, we travelled from Glasgow airport to Portugal for a one week holiday.

We effected the reservation with the Thomas Cook travel agency; a week of holidays in the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz.  Even though we did not have problems during our holidays, I felt a bit vulnerable with the possibility of a break-in given the location of the apartment. For this reason, we would keep the blinds closed every time we left the apartment.

On our first night I noticed that the principal room (in front of the pool and the Tapas bar) was completely exposed and communicated this problem to the reception. (Page 1) To our satisfaction the blinds were fixed the next day.


I was not aware of any locking system for the blinds that covered the front, back and side windows. It did not appear possible to use a lock and would close on its own as a result of its weight.   In order to open it, you needed to use the interior belt system.   

I verified that all the blinds worked correctly.

We would always enter and leave the apartment through the main door with gave way to the parking area and the street.We did not use the pool-side doors as it was not possible to close them from the outside. It was get very dark outside our door and that left us a bit scared. The darkness was due to a faulty/wasted bulb.

It was only myself and June in the apartment and for this reason we did not have any contact with the Creche or child services. We only breakfasted in the apartment and would dine always outside the resort. We never used any restaurants in the Ocean Club.

In response to the question asked of me by the Portuguese Police I can affirm that nobody got hurt or died in the apartment during our stay.

We were not victims of any break-in (page 2). According to what I know, there was no presence of strangers, inside or outside the apartment.The only people in the immediate areas of the apartment were the gardeners, whom I saw three times during the week and the cleaning woman who would come every day.

We noticed that the cleaning personnel entered the apartment after one knock and did not give us time to respond. This was a bit bothersome and for this reason we would lock the door, and would leave the key in the inside lock.

After this precaution, the next day, the same thing happened and the cleaning woman entered even though the door was locked with the key in the lock.

We never found out how it was possible for a cleaning woman to enter after we had tried to prevent it.


I can tell you that the living room sofa (to the right when on entered via the patio door) was positioned about 60 cm away from the wall.

I give the police a CD with photographs taken in the space and the resort during our stay between the 14th of April and the 21st of April of 2007. I have produced this marked as C.F.D.1.

This statement was elaborated by my and in truthful in accordance with my understanding.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 06:21:AM
The only people in the immediate areas of the apartment were the gardeners, whom I saw three times during the week and the cleaning woman who would come every day.

We noticed that the cleaning personnel entered the apartment after one knock and did not give us time to respond. This was a bit bothersome and for this reason we would lock the door, and would leave the key in the inside lock.

After this precaution, the next day, the same thing happened and the cleaning woman entered even though the door was locked with the key in the lock.

We never found out how it was possible for a cleaning woman to enter after we had tried to prevent it.
.

If Ocean Club knew about the worries of Mr D concerning the vulnerability of break ins involving apartment 5A because of its location, why did Mark Warner allow the McCann parents (along with the others) to book a dining table every night knowing that all the adult group members had not booked any of their children into Ocean Clubs night creche, or arranged for the listening in service by members of staff, when all their children were left alone each evening at risk back in their respective apartments?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 07:07:AM
What connection or association did the PJ have in relation to the recover sample of sperm DNA, of / from Simon Andrew Fawkes, Carlo Dambrosio, and Paul Anthony Gordon?

All the above named stayed at apartment  5A Ocean Club..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 12:33:PM
All the above named stayed at apartment  5A Ocean Club..

But I guess the sperm recovered from Madeleine bed did not match their DNA or blood group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 12:36:PM
But I guess the sperm recovered from Madeleine bed did not match their DNA or blood group...

But..

What about David Payne, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka and or Gerald McCanns DNA and blood groups?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2019, 05:06:PM
As far as I am concerned, I believe that at 8 - 9am, on the morning of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, the parents realised that Madeleine was dead..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2019, 10:03:AM
As far as I am concerned, I believe that at 8 - 9am, on the morning of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, the parents realised that Madeleine was dead..

Some information contained in the creche records (Madeleine McCann) for 2nd and 3rd May 2007, are contradictory and or inconsistent...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2019, 12:34:PM
Some information contained in the creche records (Madeleine McCann) for 2nd and 3rd May 2007, are contradictory and or inconsistent...

Different members of the group, and a mysterious couple either knew that Madeleine had vanished from the McCann apartment had gone missing or had been  taken, before Kate McCann allegedly raised the alert back at the tapas bar restuarant at 10pm. For example, Mathew Oldfield, at about 9pm of the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, and the mysterious couple sat at a dining table at the tapas bar restuarant, at 9.15pm, that same evening - and yet, Gerald McCann claims he saw Madeleine sleeping in her single bed for the very last time at 9.05pm, that same evening.

Then of course the additional checks made at apartment 5A,  one. By David Payne from outside the McCann children's bedroom window, at 9pm. It's not been explained why Mathew Oldfield and David Payne, both did a check of apartment 5A, at 9pm, Oldfield by entering it by the patio door on the poolside of the building, whilst David Payne was listening at the very same apartment 5A window on the car park / roadside of the building. Initially, Mathew Oldfield claimed that he had left the tapas restuarant at 9pm because the evening meal was about to be served, and that according to Oldfield,  David and Fiona Payne were absent from the restuarant and that he went looking for them. He further stated that he bumped into them just as he was leaving the Ocean Club (small reception) entrance. So, how could Mathew Oldfield and David Payne have both been checking apartment 5A outside the McCann children's bedroom window at one and the same time?

Hence why, later on Mathew Oldfield changed the circumstances of his 9pm visit to do what turned out to be, his first check of apartment 5A, by saying that he had entered the McCann apartment via the patio door on the poolside of the premises, not listening outside the same bedroom window as claimed by David Payne. This led to David Payne stating that at no stage, or on any occasion did he once go or have to check his own children at his apartment (because they had got a child monitoring device), or any apartment belonging to any member of the group...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2019, 12:57:PM

Completely contradictory versions of Mathew Oldfields first visit to check apartment 5a at 9pm, had him listening outside  Madeleines bedroom window on the roadside of the premises, and then also that he entered the same apartment and discovered that Madeleine was missing, which he then  returned to the tapas restuarant to inform the McCann parents that Madeleine was not there..

This caused Gerald McCann to rush off out of the restuarant at 9.05pm to see for himself..

How could Madeleine have vanished from apartment 5A  by reference to Mathew Oldfield's 9pm visit, and Gerald McCanns visit minutes later (9.05pm), without Gerald McCann not being too concerned to try and establish where she been when Mathew did his first check? Surely, he would have checked both doors, and all the windows to make sure that none of them were open?

According to Gerald McCann, although when he entered apartment 5A he noticed that the children's bedroom door was opened much wider than he had left it. In a television interview involving both Gerald and Kate McCann, it was very interesting to hear one comment made by them both regarding how Madeline's bedroom door had been open wider when they had done their respect checks, than it had been set before they had gone for evening meal at the nearby tapas bar restaurant (8.30). Both parents said they didn't think much about the bedroom door being more ajar but that both put this down to the way Mathew Oldfield had left the door open prior to each of their visits (before 9.05pm - Mathews 9pm check, and again before 10pm -Mathews 9.30pm check)..

Gerald went at 9.05pm, to do a check of his apartment and Kate did not go to do a similar check until 10pm

You see if somebody had jemmied up the bedroom window from the outside of Madeline's bedroom window before Gerald McCann went to do his 9.05pm check, (a) why didn't he see or notice the damaged and raise shutter, and the window open on his way when he entered apartment 5A, and or (b) why didn't the bedroom door slam shut like it supposedly did when Kate had reset the same door to as it was before they went out to eat at 8.30pm? I mention this because, Gerald McCann later went onto say that the abductor was probably hiding behind the bedroom door when he last saw his daughter during his 9.05pm check...
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2019, 03:38:PM
You see if somebody had jemmied up the bedroom window from the outside of Madeline's bedroom window before Gerald McCann went to do his 9.05pm check, (a) why didn't he see or notice the damaged and raise shutter, and the window open on his way when he entered apartment 5A, and or (b) why didn't the bedroom door slam shut like it supposedly did when Kate had reset the same door to as it was before they went out to eat at 8.30pm? I mention this because, Gerald McCann later went onto say that the abductor was probably hiding behind the bedroom door when he last saw his daughter during his 9.05pm check...

Mathew Oldfield then introduces his 9.30pm check, he left the tapas bar along with Russell O'Brien, to check on their own (children) and the McCann parents (children) apartment..

However, he gives two versions of what he did in relation to doing the first and  second checks of his at 9pm and at 9.30pm...

In the 1st version (9pm) he did not enter the apartment at all he just listened for any noise or disturbance from outside the patio door on the pool side of the apartment.. In a second version of his statement (again 9pm), he admits to entering apartment 5A via the patio door and going only as far as the doorway to the children's bedroom and peered his head in and could seethe twins in their respective cots, but assumed because all was calm that Madeleine must have been also sleeping in her bed out of his view, and that he had then left the apartment by the same patio door he had entered...

So we therefore get two different explanations from Mathew Oldfield regarding two non - entry checks by himself into apartment 5A, and two completely different explanations about when he had entered. He claimed to have done a non entry check by listening outside Madeleine McCanns bedroom window at 9pm on the roadside of the building, and a second account of doing an additional non entry check of apartment 5A at 9.30pm, listening from the outside of apartment 5A's patio door..on the opposite side of the building. Insofar as the two entries he had undertaken at the same apartment which he claimed to have entered apartment 5A at 9pm, via the patio door, and to have discovered Madeleine to have been missing from all rooms inside apartment 5A by that stage, and that he had then gone back to the tapas restuarant to inform Gerald and Kate McCann of their daughters disappearence. This caused a reaction in Gerald McCann that resulted in him doing his own check of the McCann apartment at 9.05pm. He also claimed that at the time he did his 9.30pm check, that he had entered apartment 5A through the patio door, and that he had gone in as far as the children's bedroom door and peeped inside but only got a clear view of the McCann twins in their respective cots. Although he did not see Madeleine physically, he simply assumed she was fast a sleep in her bed which was positioned out of his view...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2019, 04:01:PM
Why so many different versions of his own truths, regarding two visit / checks of apartment 5A by himself (Mathew Oldfield), he either remained outside the apartment altogether and simply listened outside Madeleine's bedroom window (9pm), and the patio door (9.30pm), and or, he physically entered apartment 5A (TWICE) via the patio door once at 9pm, and on a second occasion at 9.30pm.

These inconsistencies and contradictions, impact on other tapas group members versions of the same events, and amount to their existing strong grounds for believing that Mathew Oldfield, is responsible in someway for the vanishing of Madeleine McCann, along with others, who I shall be naming and giving my interpretation of the evidence that exists proving such an association or relationships...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2019, 12:31:AM
Why so many different versions of his own truths, regarding two visit / checks of apartment 5A by himself (Mathew Oldfield), he either remained outside the apartment altogether and simply listened outside Madeleine's bedroom window (9pm), and the patio door (9.30pm), and or, he physically entered apartment 5A (TWICE) via the patio door once at 9pm, and on a second occasion at 9.30pm.

These inconsistencies and contradictions, impact on other tapas group members versions of the same events, and amount to their existing strong grounds for believing that Mathew Oldfield, is responsible in someway for the vanishing of Madeleine McCann, along with others, who I shall be naming and giving my interpretation of the evidence that exists proving such an association or relationship..

Take David Payne, for instance...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2019, 06:45:AM
Take David Payne, for instance...
     In his 1st rogatory statement ( 4th May 2007, at 2.45pm) that he made to the PJ less than 24 hours since Madeleine McCanns disappearence had been officially alerted to by Kate Healy / McCann, he states the following:-

The couple Gerry and Kate had breakfast in the apartment. It was usual to have dinner together every night. With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the, "Millennium," restaurant, every evening the group was to be found at the, "Tapas," restaurant at around 8.45 for dinner. While the adults were dining, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments.

In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.

Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed   During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week.
...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 22, 2019, 10:43:AM
                      PJ Final Report .


                          (pages 1 and 2)

Ministry Of Justice

Judiciary Police

Investigative Criminal Department of Portimao

NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS

4th Brigade

Inspector Joao Carlos

Denouncer/Offended – Judiciary Police

Denunciated/Arguidos - Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat, identified and questioned at fls. 1170, 1947 and 1959.

*Gerald Patrick McCann, identified and questioned at fls. 2569.

*Kate Marie Healy, identified and questioned at fls. 2557.

Witnesses/Persons inquired – see Index

Type of Crime – Unknown

Time and Place – Between 21H05 and 22H00 of the day 3 May of 2007, at the G5A apartment, located at the touristic resort ‘Ocean Club’, Vila da Luz, Lagos.

Apprehended Objects – see Index (all the apprehended objects were given back to the owners by means of term)

Examinations done – see Index

                                       ----------------------------------------------------    Final Report

Introduction


These documents relate to an occurrence which describes the disappearance of a minor of British nationality, MADELEINE BETH MCCANN daughter of GERALD PATRICK MCCANN and KATE MARIE HEALY, on the date with three (almost four) years old.

According to the Time and Place, the facts occurred on the day 3 of May of 2007, in a temporal hiatus, understood to be between 21H05 and 22H00 (being certain that after 17H30, only GERALD and KATE had contact with MADELEINE) at the resort named 'Ocean Club', located in Vila da Luz, Lagos, place, where the minor’s family, along with seven other persons, with whom they had a friendship relationship, where enjoying some holidays, with the duration of one week.

The arrival of the group from England, at national territory, via Faro's airport, took place on the 28 of April 2007.

They travelled in two separate groups, since they live in different locations. The trip from the airport to the place of Luz was done in a mini bus, provided by the resort management company 'Mark Warner'.

pages 3 and 4

Upon check-in, they were placed into several apartments, all located in block G5, next to each other, which was an imposition, or at least a suggestion, made by the entire group.

They were all lodged in the ground floor, except the PAYNE family (David, Fiona and Diane Webster), which was lodged in the first floor.

The MCCANN family was given apartment G5A, which is located on the left end of the residential block (seen from the front) and therefore, it can be said, the most accessible one and with facilitated visibility from the outside.

This is a group where seven of the elements are medics, from various specialties, which adds to the fact that all of them have under-age children, which accompanied them. The MCCANN family was composed of the parents, as well as MADELEINE and the twins SEAN and AMELIE, these being two years old, at the date of the facts.

This trip was organized by the PAYNE family, namely by the male element of the couple, DAVID ANTHONY PAYNE, who had knowledge, as a user, of the tourist resorts that belong to the "Mark Warner" company.

The group shared among themselves a friendship that existed before this trip, based on professional relationships and other holiday trips.

It is pointed out that this was the first time that the elements of the group were on holidays at this resort on national territory for the first time, and that the group's will to carry out the trip was planned approximately one month before it took place.

On the other hand, nothing indicates that any of the participants had any previous connection to Vila da Luz or that there resided or stayed any person related to them.

The group's daily routine implied their movement, for dinner, to the Tapas Restaurant, which is located at the resort (although outside of the specific area of the apartments and without permitting a complete visual control of the latter), while their underage children remained alone – supposedly asleep – in their apartments while the dinner was under way.

According to the group's common version, the checking of the children was done through regular visits by the adults to the apartments, with an – approximate – spacing of half an hour, with the exception of the children of the PAYNE couple, that possessed a technological system of self control, via intercommunication ("baby listening").

Constitution of the group:

DAVID ANTHONY PAYNE – apartment 5H (first floor)
FIONA ELAINE PAYNE
DIANNE WEBSTER

RUSSEL JAMES O’BRIEN – apartment 5D
JANE MICHELLE TANNER.


pages 5 and 6

MATTHEW DAVID OLDFIELD – apartment 5B
RACHAEL MARIAMMA (sic) JEAN MANPILLY

GERALD PATRICK McCANN – apartment 5A
KATE MARIE HEALY



(Inserted by Mike Tesko')

APARTMENT 5C - 'VACANT'..



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 04:14:AM
                 

(Inserted by Mike Tesko')

APARTMENT 5C - 'VACANT'..



It needs to be looked into, and established the period that apartment 5C, was vacated throughout the time either side of the official reporting by the McCann parents that their daughter had been 'taken'..…

Since..

Madeleines body could have been concealed in apartment 5C, sometime after her death, and before her absence from apartment 5A was alerted to, by members of the McCann entourage...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 05:03:AM
It needs to be looked into, and established the period that apartment 5C, was vacated throughout the time either side of the official reporting by the McCann parents that their daughter had been 'taken'..…

Since..

Madeleines body could have been concealed in apartment 5C, sometime after her death, and before her absence from apartment 5A was alerted to, by members of the McCann entourage...

Basically put, Madeleines body could have been moved (post it being behind the sofa in the lounge of apartment 5A, the wardrobe inside the McCann parents bedroom, and the bushes in the poolside front garden) into the vacated apartment 5C until the evening of 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 05:06:AM
Basically put, Madeleines body could have been moved (post it being behind the sofa in the lounge of apartment 5A, and the wardrobe inside the McCann parents bedroom) into the vacated apartment 5C until the evening of 3rd May 2007...

Why would Madelines body need to be moved into the vacated apartment 5C?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 05:19:AM
Why would Madelines body need to be moved into the vacated apartment 5C?

Is it possible, that the 'Gorrod couple' were originally appointed apartment 5C upon their arrival in Portugal?

Is / was the vacated apartment 5C the mysterious 'unknown premises' around which everything revolved?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 10:38:AM
Bear in mind the following:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 02:46:PM
Why would Madelines body need to be moved into the vacated apartment 5C?

Probable / Possible reason - so that the presence of Madeleine McCanns body was not present inside apartment 5A, at the time her disappearence was alerted to..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 03:01:PM
                      PJ Final Report .

(Continued)..


The aforementioned persons were interviewed carefully and in great detail, on various occasions (see index), with the intention to collect all the relevant elements that could help the investigation to uncover the truth regarding the facts.

The analysis of the grouping of these inquiries emphasized the existence of important details which were not entirely understood and integrated, which needed to be, from our viewpoint, tested and compared together [concatenated] in the actual location.

As such, a concrete understanding of the lack of synergy of some aspects of elevated relevance should be attempted through a processed diligence via the reconstitution of the facts, which, due to a lack of collaboration of several relevant witnesses, was not able to be accomplished, in spite of all the force brought by the authorities.

Further ahead, in this report, the necessity of this diligence will be better analysed.

The investigation, during more than 13 months, followed all the credible indices related to different hypotheses and, in an impartial manner, continued to analyse, correlate and synthesize them, looking for an explanation for the happenings of the night of 3 May 2007.

Assuming that the minor's disappearance was due to the acts of third parties, the PJ explored various lines of investigation, not excluding any hypothesis considered plausible or hypothetically acceptable.

From the documentation, you will observe that during the investigation various possibilities were contemplated.

As such, consider:

1. abduction, for sexual exploration or other (e.g, later adoption, child trafficking, organ trafficking), without homicide;

2. abduction, followed by homicide with (or without) hiding of the corpse;

3. accidental death, with later hiding of the corpse;

pages 7 and 8

The Hypothesis 1 and 2 were considered in the double notion of the illicit of abduction (if that happened) that could have had occurred due to feelings of revenge by the
Kidnapper(s) towards the parents (intended abduction) or by taking merely the opportunity of the child being at a vulnerable situation (opportunity abduction).

As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 23, 2019, 04:31:PM
Somehow this story doesn't seem quite so outlandish..https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-alive-germany-now-21146667
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 05:42:PM
(Continued)..


The aforementioned persons were interviewed carefully and in great detail, on various occasions (see index), with the intention to collect all the relevant elements that could help the investigation to uncover the truth regarding the facts.

The analysis of the grouping of these inquiries emphasized the existence of important details which were not entirely understood and integrated, which needed to be, from our viewpoint, tested and compared together [concatenated] in the actual location.

As such, a concrete understanding of the lack of synergy of some aspects of elevated relevance should be attempted through a processed diligence via the reconstitution of the facts, which, due to a lack of collaboration of several relevant witnesses, was not able to be accomplished, in spite of all the force brought by the authorities.

Further ahead, in this report, the necessity of this diligence will be better analysed.

The investigation, during more than 13 months, followed all the credible indices related to different hypotheses and, in an impartial manner, continued to analyse, correlate and synthesize them, looking for an explanation for the happenings of the night of 3 May 2007.

Assuming that the minor's disappearance was due to the acts of third parties, the PJ explored various lines of investigation, not excluding any hypothesis considered plausible or hypothetically acceptable.

From the documentation, you will observe that during the investigation various possibilities were contemplated.

As such, consider:

1. abduction, for sexual exploration or other (e.g, later adoption, child trafficking, organ trafficking), without homicide;

2. abduction, followed by homicide with (or without) hiding of the corpse;

3. accidental death, with later hiding of the corpse;

pages 7 and 8

The Hypothesis 1 and 2 were considered in the double notion of the illicit of abduction (if that happened) that could have had occurred due to feelings of revenge by the
Kidnapper(s) towards the parents (intended abduction) or by taking merely the opportunity of the child being at a vulnerable situation (opportunity abduction).

As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.

As to the present report, and for a better understanding, it will be divided in to 5 major areas, to know:

- Generic diligences for the localization of the minor, entwined in the main body of the Inquest, done by the Judiciary Police, the Maritime Police and the G.N.R.;

- Thematic Appendixes, in a total of nine (sub-divided into 55 volumes) referred to the fls. 3528-a, whose creation allows to complement the main body of the processes and to follow up all the information received and treated;

- The suspicions about ROBERT MURAT, and his status of arguido;

- The Cadaver Dogs Units searches and the subsequent establishment of the parents of the British minor, GERALD MCCANN and KATE HEALY as arguidos;

- The forensic and laboratorial exams, done at the Forensic Science Service and at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine, from now on designated as the FSS and INML, correspondingly;

Even though there is this division in to sub groups, the present report will be done by order of occurrence or information, without the obstacle of joining by themes, when the chronological order it is not sufficient.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 05:56:PM
As to the present report, and for a better understanding, it will be divided in to 5 major areas, to know:

- Generic diligences for the localization of the minor, entwined in the main body of the Inquest, done by the Judiciary Police, the Maritime Police and the G.N.R.;

- Thematic Appendixes, in a total of nine (sub-divided into 55 volumes) referred to the fls. 3528-a, whose creation allows to complement the main body of the processes and to follow up all the information received and treated;

- The suspicions about ROBERT MURAT, and his status of arguido;

- The Cadaver Dogs Units searches and the subsequent establishment of the parents of the British minor, GERALD MCCANN and KATE HEALY as arguidos;

- The forensic and laboratorial exams, done at the Forensic Science Service and at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine, from now on designated as the FSS and INML, correspondingly;

Even though there is this division in to sub groups, the present report will be done by order of occurrence or information, without the obstacle of joining by themes, when the chronological order it is not sufficient.

Relative to the appendixes, in a total of nine, where divided thematically as stated:

Appendix I – Forensic Exams – where all the exams and forensics that were carried out by scientific and technical entities, specifically those who are destined to the detection, collection and traces analyses that could lead to the understanding of what happened and to the discovery of the culprits in the disappearance of the minor.

pages 9 and 10

Appendix II – Analysis of communications – where all the inventory, analysis and pertinent correlations, which were possible and eventually relevant about the communications and movements that were made before, during and after the facts, were made;

Appendix III – Inspections, canine, maritime and air searches – where the specific diligences that were carried out in an attempt to physically locate the minor, especially in the surrounding areas, are described;

Appendix IV – Searches/apprehensions, direct exams, delivery/deposit of goods – where the set of diligences that were directed on goods or items that could eventually be connected to the disappearance are listed;

Appendix V – Supposed sightings and localizations – where the news that had some credibility and signalled the alleged presence of the child in various locations worldwide, as well as the hundreds of diligences that were carried out to confirm or dismiss them, are listed.

As it is known, the disappearance of the British minor, under the circumstances that were described, implied the action of diverse entities, with special relevance for the intervention of the Polícia Judiciária, which was joined by other forces of criminal police. In parallel, this disappearance concentrated an unmatched dynamics from the media, both national and foreign, namely and with more emphasis in the United Kingdom, which filled, for days in a row, their news at prime time with live transmissions from Praia da Luz, and special programmes that were dedicated to the issue.

On the other hand, the parents of the minor, set out in the most diversified contacts and appeals, with the diffusion of MADELEINE images, whilst, the British authorities opened up a phone-line for permanent and specialized contact, to gather all the information relative to the disappearance, as well as information coming from Interpol and other homologous Police forces.

This activity (diffusion), besides the informative aspects from the media, aimed to acquire, in the shortest period of time, information that could contribute to the investigation in two aspects, the discovery of MADELEINE with life and gather substance that could attest the circumstances of her disappearance and in case of associating to it a criminal action by a third person, having requested for that matter the focused cooperation of the population.

This desire for cooperation had the result that through various sources and using the most diversified means, with special focus on direct communications towards the police, the PJ received the most varied information.

From the 4th of May, 2007 - the day after the facts - onwards, initially at an inordinate rhythm, the Policia Judiciaria received thousands of news about sightings and locations that covered the entire national territory, the most diversified locations abroad, from neighbouring Spain to faraway Indonesia and Singapore, with the missing child being "recognised" at the most diversified locations, in multiple situations and company, in such manner that on the same day, she is allegedly seen at locations that are 4000 km apart.

pages 11 and 12

Some of the information did not merit, due to the circumstances surrounding it, the least credibility, leaving those, at the other extreme, which required a more solid and effective systemization and treatment. Those which, by their geography and time-space relevance, seemed credible were thoroughly explored and included in the documentation and this appendix.

There remains a large, diffuse stain of supposed sightings and localizations – some receiving notable emphasis, such as those in Belgium and Morocco – which had few, vague, discordant, incompatible or incongruent elements, which deserved a treatment with a view towards their infirmaçao or set aside for the future, should solid elements arise, which all are herein included;

Appendix VI 1 – Information/Lists of Suspects of Sexual Crimes – where you will find a detailed reviews, from the perspective of the possibility of encountering correlations with suspects with sexual motives;

Appendix VI 2 – Diligences and Exploration of Information related to the aforementioned – in which, in conformity with that already expressed and in order to provide a better consultation, were gathered the information collected about residents in the surrounding areas – temporary and permanent – as well as a listing of local crime (break-ins and others) and crimes of a sexual nature. The information provided came to this Police by individual knowledge, through British authorities or by other sources;

Appendix VII - Letters Rogatory – outlining the diligences performed, at the request of the Portuguese judiciary, in foreign countries;

Appendix VIII – Transportation, Movement and Location of Sightings – in this appendix are collected and analyzed the information related to possible means of transportation/flight, by land means (road—trains), sea and air. Also explored were information related to the delivery of photographs from individuals in the area for holidays and obtained by the Police, along with various hotel chains, whose examinations yielded nothing useful;
Appendix IX –
Juridic Actions

In addition, and in spite of its irrelevance, there were meanwhile added 22 "dossiers" with notifications of a speculative or clearly incredible nature, such as psychic visions or divinations, which will not be included with the documentation, but which you will find carefully organized, in the eventuality that they may need to be consulted in the future.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 06:04:PM
DEVELOPMENT

The present documentation originated from a process elaborated by this Police, having received notice of the disappearance of a minor of British nationality of three years of age. The occurrence was communicated by the GNR at 00h10 on 4 May 2007.

pages 13 and 14

According to that police force, the disappearance would have occurred at 22H40 (later on it was verified that the detection and the subsequent alarm of the same, in reality happened, between 22H00 and 22H10 of the day 3 of May of 2007, in one of the apartments of the tourist resort 'Ocean Club', located at Vila da Luz, Lagos, where a family composed by a couple and 3 children under aged were staying.

Topologically, the apartment is composed by two bedrooms, a kitchen, a living room and a bathroom, with easy access to the street, from the both the front and the back, where there is a small balcony and a sliding door.

At the time of the disappearance, the children were alone in the apartment. However the couple, during dinner, went two times to the same, one of those times being the one where the mother (KATE) noticed that her oldest daughter was no longer there alerting all for that fact.

Aware of this fact, the police squad went to the place, to initiate the relevant investigative steps, at that moment.

Immediately they proceeded with the identifications of the progenitors, GERALD MCCANN and KATE HEALY, as well as of the disappeared minor, MADELEINE BETH MCCANN, born on the 12 of May of 2003, in the United Kingdom. Besides MADELEINE the couple has two more children, twins, with two years old, at the time of the facts, who were also staying in the same bedroom from where the child disappeared.

Informally, GERALD MCCANN said that he was on the resort since the 28 of April 2007, on vacation, for a period of time corresponding to a week. The day after their arrival, 29/05/07, they started doing their meals at the 'Ocean Club' restaurant, which is distanced a few meters away from the apartment, with the company of three other couples, who had also travelled with them.

Specifically to what is relative to the day 3, he alleged that:

- they woke up around 07H30, had breakfast in the apartment, going out at around 09H00;

- soon after, they left their children at the nursery, until 12H30;

- around 14H30, after lunch, they put their children back at the nursery, this time until 17H00;

- at 17H30 they did the children's hygiene, and settle them in their respective beds by 19H30, all in the same bedroom;

- at 20H30, the couple went out to the restaurant;

- at 21H05/21H15 the father went to check the children, noticing that all was normal, the window and the blinds were closed, however the door to the room seemed more opened than when he had left;

pages 15 and 16

- at around 9.20 p.m., a friend from the group, JANE TANNER, when heading for her apartment, noticed an individual who carried a child in his arms, walking down the road. She described him as aged 30 to 40, with dark hair and wearing light coloured trousers;

- at 9.30 p.m., it was the time for another friend, MATTHEW OLDFIELD, to go to the MCCANNS' apartment to check on the children, but he only saw the twins, given the fact that he did not enter the room. In order to see MADELEINE'S bed, he would have to go inside. He detected nothing out of the ordinary;

- at around 10 p.m., when KATE went to the apartment she verified that MADELEINE had disappeared, and that the window and shutters of the bedroom were open.

Apart from that, and according to what was established within the investigation in the meantime, the witness MATTHEW OLDFIELD assumes that, at around 8.55 p.m., he went near the outside of the window of the bedroom where MADELEINE was sleeping – a window that was closed – in order to verify if there was any noise in the inside that might indicate that the child was not asleep. He heard nothing, therefore concluding that everything was well.

Due to its relevance, on that very night the Maintenance Director, SILVIA BAPTISTA, was asked for a list of the resort's guests and the check outs on the 3rd, as well as the identification of the crèche workers, where the children stayed during the day.

It should be emphasized that the entire apartment had been searched and rummaged by an undetermined number of people, with the contamination that it brings and the difficulty that it raises for the collection of residues.

On that very night, the surroundings of the apartment, and Vila da Luz itself, were intensely searched through, both by the GNR members and by members of the public.

Concerning that and other searches on subsequent days, the proof is given by the report that was written by the GNR from pages 3491-a to 3525-a, with the latter being a cartographic remission. The same procedure was made by the Maritime Police, according to the report from pages 3867 until 3885.

On page 06 the air registration of the luggage pertaining to the MCCANN family was appended, as well as the passport that belongs to the missing minor.

From pages 12 to 23, we can observe the photographic coverage of the location of the facts, which were collected on that night, as well as a layout of the apartment.

On page 26 the report that was written by the GNR can be found, on page 30 the photograph of the minor that was given by the parents, taken from a memory card and revealed on a printer that belongs to one of the nannies, as will be seen further on, and the press communication, on pages 33-B.

It should be pointed out, in terms of the media knowledge and divulgation, that witness RACHEL MAMPILLY, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of the 4th, assumes to have contacted the official British television BBC, through someone that she knew, reporting the disappearance and asking for it to be broadcast.

pages 17 and 18

First thing in the morning on 4 May, and already within the framework of heavy media coverage, an interview of the entire group took place, pages 34-83, interrogations which were repeated later.

From pages 86 to 118, there are included details relative to the identity of the nannies (CATRIONA BAKER and STACEY PORTZ) and all the officials of the establishment, with the two that dealt with the MCCANN children being heard informally; nothing unusual having been reported by them, they were formally interviewed again later.

In subsequent days, with the participation of over a hundred researchers from the PJ, the enormous collection of diverse notifications about the disappearance was reviewed, having been already completed innumerable contacts resulting from the ongoing processing of information.

The collection of notifications was transmitted by a wide variety of sources, coming to the PJ by various means, requiring the installation of a permanent police post within the Luz village.

The result of such efforts is found in the documentation and the various appendices, having been spent thousands of hours of work in its completion.

It should be noted, also, the receipt of an enormous quantity of fantastical notifications, devoid of any credibility, which forced the research into constant and considerable clarification efforts, all the more important as it was known that time was of the utmost importance in the fundamental goal of finding the missing girl.

Resuming the factual description, it is noteworthy that from pages 119 and forward, the witness JEREMY WILKINS, affirmed that he saw an individual with a strange appearance and behaviour. This was eventually confirmed to be a guest, who participated in the searches, page 124.

From pages 127 and following, relates the the sighting of a child, with a face similar to MADELEINE's, in a gas station. When the images from the gas station were shown to the parents, they peremptorily affirmed that they did not represent their daughter.

On page 134, is reported a situation, once again resulting from physical similarities with MADELEINE, later verified as not being the child. In addition, an attempt was made to locate an individual referred for sexual abuse of minors, later coming to verify that at the relevant time period, he was no longer in Portugal.

pages 19 and 20

There was a inquest to DENISE BERYL ASHTON, fls. 136, which reported the presence of two individuals, who she could not identify or recognize, which, alleged that they were conducting a petitioning in behalf of a children's institution, which would be fraudulent. Despite that this situation took place on the day 03 May, we could not relate it with the disappearance of the British minor, nor the description corresponds to the sketch widespread in the media by the press officer of the MCCANN couple, issue that will be addressed next .

From the Fls. 140 to 144, it was reported an alleged sighting of the minor, which, after several diligences, was proved, again, to be another child.

A witness, DEREK FLACK, heard at page 200, reported the presence of a suspect, who was allegedly looking at the target apartment, near a white truck, pages 145 and following pages. It was not possible to identify this person, despite having been made a portrait-robot, page 205. However, we believe there are very strong possibilities of being construction workers – who were there making small works - a gardener (fls. 973), or BARRINGTON NORTON (fls 833), inquired at page 704. The latter is a regular of Praia da Luz, engaged in the activity of musician on the streets of the town. Nothing was found relevant to the investigation.

From the page 161 to 197, NUNO JESUS, reported a situation connected with his daughter, with clear similarities with Madeleine, which was the victim of an alleged attempt to kidnap (qualified by himself) by a Polish couple, whose registration of the hire car and used in national territory, he provided to the police. They were approached when going back to their native country, nothing was detected that could incriminate them, pages 214 to 216. The car and the place where they had enjoyed their holidays was analysed in a laboratory, but once again without incriminating results

It was near the report at page 148, where it's described the approach door-to door taken in 443 houses, all of them in Praia da Luz, which is demonstrative of the gigantic work that would be carried out. Such approach included the physical entrance, with the agreement of the inhabitants, in many just to verify completely the eventual presence of traces of the minor disappeared.

LANCE PURSE, inquired at page 208, did equally a sketch of an individual, page 210, which possessed similar characteristics similar to the one related by another witness, who also didn't identify himself.

At pages 211 and 212, it is reported another occurrence relative to an individual referenced for sexual abuse of minors, who, after the approach of the same, nothing of relevance was brought to the present investigation.

"Mutatis mutandis", [literally "changes changed", from Latin, in this instance someone who changes constantly of mood], relative to a guest from the female gender, who revealed a odd behaviour, but with no vector of correlation to the disappearance of MADELEINE MCCANN.

At page 220 the hearings of the resort employees started, from there nothing resulted as being relevant or useful for the investigation at course. From the hearings there were no elements collected which allowed to follow any line of investigation.

pages 21 to 26


Inquired employees: -----

A huge list of names which I will not write here for the right to privacy of these people.

The baby sitters that talked to the media in previous interviews are on the list.

CATRIONA T. S. BAKER
STACEY PORTZ
CHARLOTTE E. A. PENNINGTON

Also several G.N.R. Military, belonging to various areas, patrols and binomials (sic) were heard in declarations - list of names
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 06:30:PM
Resuming the factual description, it is noteworthy that from pages 119 and forward, the witness JEREMY WILKINS, affirmed that he saw an individual with a strange appearance and behaviour. This was eventually confirmed to be a guest, who participated in the searches, page 124.

From pages 127 and following, relates the the sighting of a child, with a face similar to MADELEINE's, in a gas station. When the images from the gas station were shown to the parents, they peremptorily affirmed that they did not represent their daughter.

On page 134, is reported a situation, once again resulting from physical similarities with MADELEINE, later verified as not being the child. In addition, an attempt was made to locate an individual referred for sexual abuse of minors, later coming to verify that at the relevant time period, he was no longer in Portugal.

pages 19 and 20

There was a inquest to DENISE BERYL ASHTON, fls. 136, which reported the presence of two individuals, who she could not identify or recognize, which, alleged that they were conducting a petitioning in behalf of a children's institution, which would be fraudulent. Despite that this situation took place on the day 03 May, we could not relate it with the disappearance of the British minor, nor the description corresponds to the sketch widespread in the media by the press officer of the MCCANN couple, issue that will be addressed next .

From the Fls. 140 to 144, it was reported an alleged sighting of the minor, which, after several diligences, was proved, again, to be another child.

A witness, DEREK FLACK, heard at page 200, reported the presence of a suspect, who was allegedly looking at the target apartment, near a white truck, pages 145 and following pages. It was not possible to identify this person, despite having been made a portrait-robot, page 205. However, we believe there are very strong possibilities of being construction workers – who were there making small works - a gardener (fls. 973), or BARRINGTON NORTON (fls 833), inquired at page 704. The latter is a regular of Praia da Luz, engaged in the activity of musician on the streets of the town. Nothing was found relevant to the investigation.

From the page 161 to 197, NUNO JESUS, reported a situation connected with his daughter, with clear similarities with Madeleine, which was the victim of an alleged attempt to kidnap (qualified by himself) by a Polish couple, whose registration of the hire car and used in national territory, he provided to the police. They were approached when going back to their native country, nothing was detected that could incriminate them, pages 214 to 216. The car and the place where they had enjoyed their holidays was analysed in a laboratory, but once again without incriminating results

It was near the report at page 148, where it's described the approach door-to door taken in 443 houses, all of them in Praia da Luz, which is demonstrative of the gigantic work that would be carried out. Such approach included the physical entrance, with the agreement of the inhabitants, in many just to verify completely the eventual presence of traces of the minor disappeared.

LANCE PURSE, inquired at page 208, did equally a sketch of an individual, page 210, which possessed similar characteristics similar to the one related by another witness, who also didn't identify himself.

At pages 211 and 212, it is reported another occurrence relative to an individual referenced for sexual abuse of minors, who, after the approach of the same, nothing of relevance was brought to the present investigation.

"Mutatis mutandis", [literally "changes changed", from Latin, in this instance someone who changes constantly of mood], relative to a guest from the female gender, who revealed a odd behaviour, but with no vector of correlation to the disappearance of MADELEINE MCCANN.

At page 220 the hearings of the resort employees started, from there nothing resulted as being relevant or useful for the investigation at course. From the hearings there were no elements collected which allowed to follow any line of investigation.

pages 21 to 26


Inquired employees: -----

A huge list of names which I will not write here for the right to privacy of these people.

The baby sitters that talked to the media in previous interviews are on the list.

CATRIONA T. S. BAKER
STACEY PORTZ
CHARLOTTE E. A. PENNINGTON

Also several G.N.R. Military, belonging to various areas, patrols and binomials (sic) were heard in declarations - list of names

end of page 26 : In the path of the diligences of localization, it was requested the entry registrar of the Marina de Lagos, place who does not have a system to collect images, usually called by CCTV, page 290.

pages 27 and 28

Information was also collected that the road known as A22, usually known as “Via Infante de Sagres”, does not have images available either, to match the period of time that would be of interest.

Diligences were carried out to try to locate and discover the routines of individuals that are related to criminal practices of a sexual nature, pages 293 to 300, 448 to 451, 452 and 453; nothing was discovered that could be characterized as relevant.

From pages 309 to 311, and because it could be important, we mentioned the only register of a repair that was carried out in the apartment that was used by the MCCANN family, without major relevance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 06:38:PM
end of page 26 : In the path of the diligences of localization, it was requested the entry registrar of the Marina de Lagos, place who does not have a system to collect images, usually called by CCTV, page 290.

pages 27 and 28

Information was also collected that the road known as A22, usually known as “Via Infante de Sagres”, does not have images available either, to match the period of time that would be of interest.

Diligences were carried out to try to locate and discover the routines of individuals that are related to criminal practices of a sexual nature, pages 293 to 300, 448 to 451, 452 and 453; nothing was discovered that could be characterized as relevant.

From pages 309 to 311, and because it could be important, we mentioned the only register of a repair that was carried out in the apartment that was used by the MCCANN family, without major relevance.


The situation concerning the first suspect, ROBERT MURAT, will now be approached, thus following a line of the succession of the facts, without prejudice of returning to the description of occurrences further ahead.

A few days after the facts took place, suspicions were raised concerning an individual that resides approximately 100/150 metres away from apartment 5A, identified as ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT.

These suspicions arose initially due to the formulation by a British journalist, who found the special commitment and curiosity of MURAT in this case to be strange, which had reminded her of another [case] that had taken place in the United Kingdom with similar outlines and where the guilty persons had actively participated in searches.

The reasons for said suspicion are duly listed within the information that is contained in the process, on pages 308, 328, 442, 461, 957, 960, 961 and 986 to 1000, being certain that they ended up being reinforced, some time later, by elements of the holiday group that asserted, contrary to what MURAT said, that he had participated in the searches on the evening of the disappearance.

In an initial phase, before the investigation was deepened, this individual gathered the conditions to be pointed out as a suspect. The conditions that are intrinsical to his suspect status, can be analysed, as stated before, on the routine reports that were mentioned above.

In order to confirm or dismiss the suspicions about ROBERT MURAT, searches and telephone surveillance were requested, pages 995 to 1013, both on the suspect and on the individuals with whom he directly or indirectly interacted, namely with who he met almost daily and maintained telephone contacts.

Despite the exhaustive and methodical investigation into MURAT and the persons close to him, no elements whatsoever were collected to relate him to the crime that was under investigation, and it should be noted that contrary to what witnesses within the group stated concerning his hypothetical participation in the searches on the night of the disappearance, other witnesses (like SILVIA BAPTISTA and elements of the GNR) asserted that they had not seen him during those diligences.

pages 29 and 30

Beyond the communication interceptions and forensic exams of the computers belonging to them, which pointed to nothing useful, several searches were also performed in the suspect’s home, as mentioned earlier, with cino-technical assistance and exploration of the subsoil, both physically and by technological detection means, which also did not allow for the collection of exact evidence.

Be aware that, in relation to the utilization of very advanced technological means, in the area of the detection of strange bodies in the subsoil or enclosed [walled in], these were performed specifically by technicians from Aveiro University, using equipment that allowed a detailed search of the area.

This [research] continued in the same way in relationship to all the vehicles of the group, with no results.

The homes and vehicles were examined in great detail by the Scientific Police Laboratory, without finding any relevant vestiges.

The analyses of the telephone and electronic communications (reports in appendix II) and the resultant correlation, had the same results.

In the interrogation headquarters, the suspect denied any involvement with the process. The interviews with all the elements, with personal and professional relationships with ROBERT MURAT, also did not deliver anything of value as evidence.

In truth, in the unfolding of the searches, several objects were apprehended, for later analysis, without having obtained any incriminating evidence, which you can better observe in Volume V of the documentation, where the processual pieces related to the searches are found.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 23, 2019, 07:38:PM
I always thought Robert Murat was a good suspect. If he disposed of the body in the location you suggest then his mother's house wouldn't yield results to a police search.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 23, 2019, 08:58:PM
I always thought Robert Murat was a good suspect. If he disposed of the body in the location you suggest then his mother's house wouldn't yield results to a police search.
yes, he was / is one of the circle of devil worshippers involved in the overall circumtances of the 'alleged disappearence' of little Madeleine..

Sergey Malinka, is another devil worshipper..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 23, 2019, 09:55:PM
yes, he was / is one of the circle of devil worshippers involved in the overall circumtances of the 'alleged disappearence' of little Madeleine..

Sergey Malinka, is another devil worshipper..
I'm not sure about all this devil-worshipping Mike, though as a Christian I do believe there are choices to be made. My theory was that Murat was missing his little girl after the divorce and was jealous of the McCann family unit after observing them for a few days.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2019, 06:35:AM
I'm not sure about all this devil-worshipping Mike, though as a Christian I do believe there are choices to be made. Yes, I understand where your coming from..My theory was that Murat was missing his little girl after the divorce and was jealous of the McCann family unit after observing them for a few days. I see - well if it's any consolation I truly do believe that Robert Murat did play some role in Madeleine McCanns disappearence. But any involvement he might have had began on the 1st May 2007, and his decision to return to Portugàl by a flight from Exeter airport. His arrival back in Pria de Luz on that afternoon was no coincidence, neither was the witness account of Mrs Fenn who later that very same evening, heard a child persistently crying in the McCann apartment below hers, from between 10.30pm and 11.45pm. Now, the McCann parents and some of the group can choose to remain tight lipped, or deny that they were visiting Chaplin's bar from about 10pm, until after midnight (1st / 2nd May 2007), but rest assured that somebody was responsible,  for making Madeleine McCann cry during the observed one hour and fifth teen minutes, as contended by Mrs Fenn...

It's possible, that Robert Murat received information from local pedophiles, or pedophile supporters / suppliers that the McCann parents were drinking and cavorting a fair distance from their apartment (5A) inside Chaplin's bar near the village church and the beach...

I do not think for one moment, that the activity described by Mrs Fenn occurring at 11.45pm, where she definitely heard the McCann parents patio door being slid open somehow establishes that the parents had returned to their apartment at that time A child voice which was heard to repeatedly calling out ’daddy, daddy, daddy' which coincided with the sliding open of the patio door, serves to confirm that Gerald McCann had in fact returned to base on this / that occasion. It could be, that at the time these things were unfolding, that the person present inside apartment 5A simply killed her after sexually abusing her, and then placed her body behind the sofa in the living room..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 10:00:AM


And then, of course the rather astonishing observation at around 3.30pm on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May 2007 of a man acting suspiciously in the poolside garden and at the gated concrete steps which led to and from the patio of apartment 5A, whilst Kate McCann was out jogging, and Gerald McCann was playing tennis...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 25, 2019, 01:53:PM
And then, of course the rather astonishing observation at around 3.30pm on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May 2007 of a man acting suspiciously in the poolside garden and at the gated concrete steps which led to and from the patio of apartment 5A, whilst Kate McCann was out jogging, and Gerald McCann was playing tennis...
I'm not sure who that was but I think after all this time the perpetrator is likely to be a lone man since had several individuals been involved there would have been more likelihood of the crime leaking out. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573833/Robert-Murat-near-Madeleine-McCanns-flat.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 05:01:PM
I'm not sure who that was but I think after all this time the perpetrator is likely to be a lone man since had several individuals been involved there would have been more likelihood of the crime leaking out. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573833/Robert-Murat-near-Madeleine-McCanns-flat.html

Hi Steve_UK

The sighting of the individual somewhere between 3.30 - 5.00 pm in the poolside garden of apartment 5A, on Thursday 3rd May 2007 when Kate Healy was out jogging, and Gerald McCann was playing tennis nearby...

It would appear that someone was taking an interest in apartment 5A whilst the McCann parents were absent, and the twins at the creche. Somebody was checking on the possible whereabouts of Madeleine MçCann (was this young man a concerned member of the Ocean Club staff, a local pedophile who may have sexually abused or attacked Madeleine on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007 between 10.30 - 11.45pm, or an adult member of the McCann entourage)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 25, 2019, 06:15:PM
Hi Steve_UK

The sighting of the individual somewhere between 3.30 - 5.00 pm in the poolside garden of apartment 5A, on Thursday 3rd May 2007 when Kate Healy was out jogging, and Gerald McCann was playing tennis nearby...
I'm surprised they had any time for their children at all that holiday..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 07:17:PM
I'm surprised they had any time for their children at all that holiday..

Steve_UK

Be wary of the McCann narratives covering each day, evening and night of their stay in Portugal. There is little doubt that they are responsible for displacing Madeleine McCanns demise, disappearance or death..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 25, 2019, 07:24:PM
I wonder why they're not naming the mystery paedophile who is not Martin Ney: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10455887/madeleine-mccann-chief-suspect-not-martin-ney/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 08:50:PM
I wonder why they're not naming the mystery paedophile who is not Martin Ney: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10455887/madeleine-mccann-chief-suspect-not-martin-ney/

My guess is that they are still conducting discrete enquiries into who else had some involvement in one form or another at different stages of the case. If they name the suspect or arrest him too soon other members of the gang will be alerted paving the way for the introduction of false alibi evidence. The McCanns, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, other members of the tapas group, and the vanishing priest from the church at Luz, are all not out of the water yet...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 09:20:PM
The activity log for the creche sailing club was normally every Tuesday (1st May 2007) changed to Wednesday (2nd May 2007), and altered yet again to Thursday (3rd May 2007). I am almost certain that Madeleine McCann had an accident whilst in a boat when she fell into the sea and nearly drowned, and that this took place on Tuesday 1st May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 09:24:PM
The activity log for the creche sailing club was normally every Tuesday (1st May 2007) changed to Wednesday (2nd May 2007), and altered yet again to Thursday (3rd May 2007). I am almost certain that Madeleine McCann had an accident whilst in a boat when she fell into the sea and nearly drowned, and that this took place on Tuesday 1st May 2007..

This being the very same day, of Mrs Fenns report of a child constantly crying from inside apartment 5A between the entire period between 10.30 - 11.45pm, and the visit to Chaplin's bar by the McCanns and their companions until gone midnight that same evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 09:29:PM
The near drowning incident, is believed to have occurred on Tuesday 1st May 2007 but there remains a distinct possibility that it may have taken place or occurred on Wednesday 2nd May 2007, because Madeleine McCann was mysteriously not signed out of the creche on the afternoon of Wednesday 2nd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 10:35:PM
The near drowning incident, is believed to have occurred on Tuesday 1st May 2007 but there remains a distinct possibility that it may have taken place or occurred on Wednesday 2nd May 2007, because Madeleine McCann was mysteriously not signed out of the creche on the afternoon of Wednesday 2nd May 2007..

And..

Also bear in mind, Kate Healy's dream that Madeleine was taken by a boat in the sea...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2019, 10:37:PM
And..

Also bear in mind, Kate Healy's dream that Madeleine was taken by a boat in the sea...

I would argue, that this was reference to the sailing accident where Madeleine fell or jumped into the sea during a creche sailing boat event duly introduced into her narrative...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 26, 2019, 06:09:AM
I would argue, that this was reference to the sailing accident where Madeleine fell or jumped into the sea during a creche sailing boat event duly introduced into her narrative...

The sailing boat accident almost certainly occurred on Tuesday 1st May 2007 - although I am prepared to accept it could have taken place on the following day (Wednesday 2nd May 2007). In the creche activity logs, the sailing club activity was listed for Tuesday 1st May, altered to Wednesday 2nd May, and finally changed to Thursday 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 26, 2019, 07:23:PM
I pose the following important question - Why don't the Mark Warner staff and or the parents make it officially known that Madeleine McCann almost drowned in the sailing club activity at the beach /seashore on Tuesday 1st May 2007 / Wednesday 2nd May 2007 or if as the case may be, on Thursday 3rd May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 26, 2019, 07:26:PM
I pose the following important question - Why don't the Mark Warner staff and or the parents make it officially known that Madeleine McCann almost drowned in the sailing club activity at the beach /seashore on Tuesday 1st May 2007 / Wednesday 2nd May 2007 or if as the case may be, on Thursday 3rd May 2007?

Why is there no mention in any team McCann witness statement about this near drowning through falling out of a boat on the sea event?

And..

No mention about the same incident in Kate McCanns book, 'MADELEINE'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 09:37:AM
Members of staff who accompanied the children and Madeleine would have needed to complete an accident / incident report covering the fact that Madeleine had fallen into the sea from one of the boats..

Additionally, she might have been seen by a paramedic, doctor or a life guard after she had been plucked out of the sea..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 09:40:AM
Members of staff who accompanied the children and Madeleine would have needed to complete an accident / incident report covering the fact that Madeleine had fallen into the sea from one of the boats..

Additionally, she might have been seen by a paramedic, doctor or a life guard after she had been plucked out of the sea..

And, where are the witness statements and reports from members of staff who were in charge of the sailing club activity on that day?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 09:44:AM
Rather curiously, on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May 2007, there was reported a sailing accident involving a catarmaran, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and David Payne. I think it was Russell O'Brien who was said to have fallen off the boat into the sea and nearly drowned...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 09:49:AM
Rather curiously, on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May 2007, there was reported a sailing accident involving a catarmaran, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and David Payne. I think it was Russell O'Brien who was said to have fallen off the boat into the sea and nearly drowned...

What a remarkable coincidence, Madeleine falling into the sea from a catarmaran and nearly drowning, and the same thing happened to Russell O'Brien (one, or two days apart)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 09:50:AM
Consider the contents of the following documents:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 11:46:AM
Continued :-

Bear in mind, that it was this particular day of the week (Tuesday 1st May 2007), that the McCanns and some of their friends went to Chaplin's bar and that it was after midnight during the early hours of Wednesday 2nd May 2007 that the McCann parents returned to apartment 5A, and that this extended absence from their apartment coincided with the persistent crying of a child in the apartment beneath Mrs Fenns (the McCann apartment), the crying lasted from 10.30 - 11.45pm, and only stopped when Mrs Fenn heard the patio door being either slid open, or closed to which she may well have been mistaken in thinking that it was the McCann parents returning at 11.45pm from Chaplin's bar down near the village church.... 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 12:27:PM
Continued :-

Bear in mind, that it was this particular day of the week (Tuesday 1st May 2007), that the McCanns and some of their friends went to Chaplin's bar and that it was after midnight during the early hours of Wednesday 2nd May 2007 that the McCann parents returned to apartment 5A, and that this extended absence from their apartment coincided with the persistent crying of a child in the apartment beneath Mrs Fenns (the McCann apartment), the crying lasted from 10.30 - 11.45pm, and only stopped when Mrs Fenn heard the patio door being either slid open, or closed to which she may well have been mistaken in thinking that it was the McCann parents returning at 11.45pm from Chaplin's bar down near the village church.... 

But what if it wasn't the return of the McCann parents to apartment 5A, what if someone had been inside apartment 5A, all the while whilst the McCann couple and some of their friends had left the tapas restuarant after finishing their evening meal to go down the road to Chaplins bar, and someone took advantage of this and entered apartment 5A and took advantage of Madeleine? The period of persistent crying which Mrs Fenn talked about coinciding potentially with the abuse the intruder(s) were inflicting on Madeleine. The crying getting progressively louder and louder consistent with increased pain and discomfort of the child...

You see, if Mrs Fenn was right, then if it had been the McCann parents returning from Chaplin's bar at 11.45pm, they would have heard Madeleine crying, and realised it stopped once they entered the apartment via the patio door. The parents heard nothing, no crying daughters or son on any of the evenings during their holiday - except for a remark which Madeleine is supposed to have come up with at breakfast time on the morning of Thursday 3rd May 2007, where Madeleine asked her parents why they did not come when she and Sean were crying last night?

The McCann couple and their Friend's are devious, and appear to have a frequent habit of trying to deliberately displace certain timed events in order to disguise any involvement on their part. I don't for one moment believe that Madeleine made any mention of her crying to either parent on either Wednesday 2nd May 2007, or Thursday 3rd May 2007, I think that when they discovered Madeleine dead inside apartment 5A on the morning of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, that the nature of her death was such that it was instantly noticeable that she had suffered immense pain both physically and emotionally, and that she must have been screaming or crying. Hence, why they built the tale of Madeleine having complained to them about their absence from the apartment at the time she was being abused. The parents weren't there because they were down the road at Chaplin's bar..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 12:31:PM
I don't for one moment believe that Madeleine made any mention of her crying to either parent on either Wednesday 2nd May 2007, or Thursday 3rd May 2007, I think that when they discovered Madeleine dead inside apartment 5A on the morning of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, that the nature of her death was such that it was instantly noticeable that she had suffered immense pain both physically and emotionally, and that she must have been screaming or crying. Hence, why they built the tale of Madeleine having complained to them about their absence from the apartment at the time she was being abused. The parents weren't there because they were down the road at Chaplin's bar..

So, who entered apartment 5A (the McCann apartment) at around 10.30pm on the evening Tuesday 1st May 2007, remaining there until about 11.45pm?

It wasn't the McCann parents, that's for sure...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 02:09:PM
So, who entered apartment 5A (the McCann apartment) at around 10.30pm on the evening Tuesday 1st May 2007, remaining there until about 11.45pm?

It wasn't the McCann parents, that's for sure...

Let's assume that the McCann entourage were creatures of habit, insofar as the evening meal at the tapas bar was concerned - meal served at say 9pm,  drinking at tapas bar, etc, etc, etc, takes the time to around 10pm..

Seems to me that by and large the lot of 'em were on their way back to their respective apartments somewhere between 10 - 10.30pm each evening. Except for the evenings Tuesday 1st May 2007, because on this particular evening they went from the Ocean Club down the road in the direction of the beach and entered Chaplin's bar near to the local church and the all important derelict building (No. 5 Ave Dos Pescadores), they were drinking in Chaplin's bar until gone midnight. There was no way they could claim to be within a stones throw of their apartment, they were 10 - 15 minutes away and could not even see any of the Ocean club apartment blocks on the skyline from where they were...

It seems to me, that somebody or other, either a member or members of their group, or members of Mark Warner staff, or a local sex offender or two, realised the significance of the distance between Chaplin's bar and apartment 5A, someone who knew that the McCann parents always left unlocked the poolside patio door of apartment 5A. I am convinced that by the time the McCann party arrived at Chaplin's bar, that the suspect or suspects were entering apartment 5A with Madeleine and her brother and sister at their mercy. It might have involved a lookout being inside Chaplin's bar keeping close tabs on the McCann couple and their companions. Maybe the lookout would ring his / her accomplice(s) on a mobile phone, or from a nearby public telephone box had the McCann parents left Chaplin's bar early...

Well, according to Mrs Fenn, nobody checked on the McCann children inside apartment 5A for the whole of the period 10.30 - 11.45pm, on that particular evening (so much for the McCanns claiming they did 15 minute to half hourly checks on their own apartment). - it may be worthwhile the police checking phone records for this period..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 02:23:PM
One thing nobody should overlook, and that is with the metal shutter of apartment 5A's patio door locked in its zero ground position, nobody would have been able to enter the apartment via the glass patio door behind the shutter. The shutter to the patio door could not be raised and or lowered from outside the apartment. The occupants of apartment 5A would have been able to lower the external blind on the outside of the patio door, and leave the patio door unlocked - however,  no-one on the outside would be able to raise it and enter the premises. In other words it would be pointless locking the metal shutter to the patio door and leaving the patio door unlocked if you were intending to use the patio door as a means of entering the apartment..Furthermore, if you left the patio door on the poolside of the building unlocked, with the metal shutter raised up into its unlocked position, it would be pointless leaving apartment 5A by means of the normal door on the road side of the building which would require it to be locked with a key. You would simply leave the apartment by the patio door and its metal shutter which you have left unlocked for ease of access and exit...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 06:20:PM
It's looking more and more likely that the parents and some of their companions faked the abduction claim from apartment 5A, somewhere between 9pm and 10pm, on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. In order to pull off this deception, the McCanns used the services of Sergey Malinka to initially make contact with the PJ, and arranging it to look like an associate of the abductors would only deal with Gerald McCann, to negotiate the safe return of his daughter Madeleine for a sum of 2,000 Euro's...

Gerald McCann was in direct contact with somebody who allegedly knew the whereabouts of Madeleine from as early as 7th May 2007, or even earlier - this conversation  took place via one of his three mobile phones belonging to him -it was all bogus, a put on to make people believe that Madeleine had really been abducted, when she wasn't.

The PJ sussed out the McCanns and their companions for faking Madeleines abduction, almost two days or so after she died in apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 06:31:PM
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The PJ sussed out the McCanns and their companions for faking Madeleines abduction, almost two days or so after she died in apartment 5A...

The McCanns and some of their companions knew that when it came down to Madeleine having gone missing, let's say by 10pm on Thursday 3rd May 2007, that they were going to push for an investigation involving the abduction of their daughter. The alert by Kate McCann at 10pm, is truly astonishing considering that she was not even present at the tapas bar restuarant by at least two different eye witness accounts to enable her to leave there and go and do her 10pm check of the family apartment. Everyone had left there dining tables by 9.30pm, and only Diane Webster returned to the restuarant tables at about 9.45pm in order to keep her eye on personal items belonging to the McCanns and their companions - so how could Kate McCann get up from a dining table at the tapas restuarant at 10pm in order for her to discover that Madeleine had been 'taken' by 'them' or 'they' when she must have been back inside apartment 5A, some time soon after Mathew Oldfield alerted them that Madeleine was missing from the apartment at the time of his 9pm check (of which at one time or another he has given two different versions of exactly how he conducted his 9pm check of 5A, in another account he had entered the McCann apartment via the patio door on the poolside of the building during his 9pm check). It may also not come as a surprise to learn that he also gave two conflicting versions regarding how he carried out a further check of apartment 5A at around 9.30pm...

On the occasion he was contracted to check the McCann apartment at 9pm, on the one hand he stated that he did not enter the McCann apartment but listened outside the bedroom window shutter, and because he heard no noises or any movement he assumed that all was well with the three children of the McCanns. He duly returned to the tapas restuarant and informed the McCann parents that 'all was well' back at their apartment. How Gerald McCann had reacted to the information provided by Mathew Oldfield, by leaving the restuarant immediately to go and do a check of his apartment himself leaving Mathew Oldfield feeling that something he had done or said, had given him the impression that Gerald McCann was not at best pleased with him. On a second occasion, at 9.30pm Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas restuarant intending to do a check of their own apartments, as well as a contracted check of the McCann apartment. On this occasion Mathew Oldfield claimed that he did not enter apartment 5A at all, but rather that he had listened intently outside the patio door on the poolside verandah of apartment 5A. Having said that, he gave a contradictory account by claiming that he had entered apartment 5A via the patio door. On the basis of his first 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment and he having heard no noises he left assuming all was well inside. Whereas, in his second version of his 9.30pm check at 5A, he had gone as far as the children's bedroom door and listened at the bedroom door. He was supposedly satisfied that all was well, beyond the bedroom door. From there how he had gone to Russell O'Brien's apartment only to discover that the child of O'Brien and Jane Tanner was unwell and that O'Brien was remaining at his apartment to care and tend to his sick daughter. Mathew Oldfield thus returned to the tapas restuarant and is supposed to have made mention of two significant matters to all those allegedly present - (1) that the McCann apartment had been checked and all was well there, and (2) - that t Russell O'Brien was remaining back at the O'Brien / Jane Tanner apartment looking after his sick daughter. Well, how could he have returned to the tapas restuarant after doing his 9.30pm check of his own and the McCann apartment, as well as visit Russell O'Brien in his apartment, if there was no-one present at or in the restuarant after 9.30pm, because according to a restuarant table waiter or barman, the dining tables where the McCann entourage had been dining was completely deserted with none of the group present there at all by 9.30pm on that Thursday 3rd May 2007, they had all to a man and woman fled from the restuarant at about the same time that Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien had gone to do their 9.30pm checks...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 06:42:PM
I don't believe that Kate McCann rushed back to the tapas bar restuarant to alert everyone that Madeleine had been taken, that she was gone, and that 'they' had taken her - first of all she doesn't claim to have seen anyone to remotely qualify her to refer to any would be abductor as 'them' or 'they'. Additionally I don't believe that Kate McCann left her two youngest children back at apartment 5A, when there were abductors abducting children, who had abducted Madeleine already...

Kate McCann never rushed back to the tapas bar restuarant to raise the alarm at about 10pm, because the alarm had already been raised by Mathew Oldfield at 9pm, and at approximately 9.15pm a couple already had the knowledge that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCanns apartment (5A) - seems like quite a few different people had knowledge of Madeleine having been taken long before Kate McCann raised the alarm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 27, 2019, 08:43:PM
I have a strong hunch that the McCann doctors sedated the twins Thursday Evening 3rd May 2007, so that when they eventually alerted to the fact that Madeleine had gone missing, they would sleep right through the night without being disturbed. There was no need to sedate Madeleine because she died in the apartment late Tuesday 1st May 2007 / early morning Wednesday 2nd May 2007. I believe that had Madeleines body been recovered or found early on, it would have been discovered that she had not been sedated at all. That's why they had to dispose of the Madeleine's  body,  because if the PJ had recovered Madeleine's body it would have been established that she had not been sedated prior to her death, and because the twins had been sedated, it would have opened up a can of worms. The sedating of the twins was a safe guard designed so that the parents could pretend that Madeleine was still alive on Thursday 3rd May 2007, when she wasn't. Ocean club staff became implicated in the matter because of the sail boat accident when Madeleine fell off a boat into the sea and almost drowned - this accident happened on the same date (evening) when Madeleine was abused in apartment 5A whilst the McCann parents were living it up at Chaplin's bar. The McCann parents put their three children at risk of harm when they visited Chaplin's bar on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007, they did not come back to apartment 5A when Sean and Madeleine were crying, they were crying because of abuse by an intruder...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 12:19:PM

On the occasion he was contracted to check the McCann apartment at 9pm, on the one hand he stated that he did not enter the McCann apartment but listened outside the bedroom window shutter, and because he heard no noises or any movement he assumed that all was well with the three children of the McCanns. He duly returned to the tapas restuarant and informed the McCann parents that 'all was well' back at their apartment. How Gerald McCann had reacted to the information provided by Mathew Oldfield, by leaving the restuarant immediately to go and do a check of his apartment himself leaving Mathew Oldfield feeling that something he had done or said, had given him the impression that Gerald McCann was not at best pleased with him. On a second occasion, at 9.30pm Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas restuarant intending to do a check of their own apartments, as well as a contracted check of the McCann apartment. On this occasion Mathew Oldfield claimed that he did not enter apartment 5A at all, but rather that he had listened intently outside the patio door on the poolside verandah of apartment 5A. Having said that, he gave a contradictory account by claiming that he had entered apartment 5A via the patio door. On the basis of his first 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment and he having heard no noises he left assuming all was well inside. Whereas, in his second version of his 9.30pm check at 5A, he had gone as far as the children's bedroom door and listened at the bedroom door. He was supposedly satisfied that all was well, beyond the bedroom door.

The obvious question which needs to be asked, at this point, is that if during his 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment, he had either listened from a position outside the patio door of apartment 5A, or indeed, based on the other version of the similar timed events (9.30pm) where he had ventured into the apartment but only as far as the children's bedroom door, and he was satisfied that all was well in there, what explanation is given or offered from the fact that at the time of his 9pm check of the same apartment in a conflicting version of that earlier check he said that Madeleine had vanished and was not inside any other room inside the apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 12:29:PM
The obvious question which needs to be asked, at this point, is that if during his 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment, he had either listened from a position outside the patio door of apartment 5A, or indeed, based on the other version of the similar timed events (9.30pm) where he had ventured into the apartment but only as far as the children's bedroom door, and he was satisfied that all was well in there, what explanation is given or offered from the fact that at the time of his 9pm check of the same apartment in a conflicting version of that earlier check he said that Madeleine had vanished and was not inside any other room inside the apartment?

Where could Madeleine have been at the time of one version of Mathew Oldfields (9pm) account (vanished and nowhere at all inside the McCann apartment), only to supposedly still technically 'be'  present in her bed on the first two versions of his 9.30pm check?[/list]
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 12:42:PM
    Where could Madeleine have been at the time of one version of Mathew Oldfields (9pm) account
(vanished and nowhere at all inside the McCann apartment), only to supposedly still technically 'be'  present in her bed on the first two versions of his 9.30pm check?

Bearing in mind, the fact that within minutes of Mathew Oldfield discovering that Madeleine was missing from apartment 5A (at the time of his 9pm check of that apartment), how Gerald McCann had rushed back to the McCann apartment claiming that Madeleine was sleeping soundly in her bed by the time of his 9.05pm check...[/list]
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 12:44:PM
Was Madeleine McCann sleeping soundly in her bed at the time of Gerald McCanns 9.05pm visit?
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Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 12:45:PM
Was Madeleine McCann sleeping soundly in her bed at the time of Gerald McCanns 9.05pm visit?

We only have Gerald McCanns say so...

There is no independent evidence supporting the claim made by Gerald McCann that at 9.05pm that Madeleine was present at all and a sleep in her bed, after Mathew Oldfields 9pm check of the McCann apartment. Since, in the two versions relating to his 9.30pm check of apartment 5A, Mathew Oldfield does not allude to the fact that he did physically see Madeleine there at all in any bed..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 12:53:PM
I think that Mathew Oldfield has made a goof about the checks he made on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, at 9pm and 9.30pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 12:56:PM
I think that Mathew Oldfield has made a goof about the checks he made on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, at 9pm and 9.30pm...

He either went inside apartment 5A or not, at 9pm and 9.30pm..

Furthermore, either Madeleine had gone missing by the time of his 9pm check of that apartment, or she hadn't..

I personally believe that the body of Madeleine McCann was not present in her bed at the time of Oldfield's 9pm check of the McCann apartment. She was not in any other room either..

I think that Mathew Oldfield's two different versions regarding how he carried out the 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment, where he makes mention of listening from outside the patio door, or due to listening at the bedroom door, the purpose of introducing details of this second check of apartment 5A at 9.30pm, was solely with a view of providing Gerald McCann with an alibi..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 04:35:PM

I think that Mathew Oldfield's two different versions regarding how he carried out the 9.30pm check of the McCann apartment, where he makes mention of listening from outside the patio door, or due to listening at the bedroom door, the purpose of introducing details of this second check of apartment 5A at 9.30pm, was solely with a view of providing Gerald McCann with an alibi..

Bear in mind the following - if Gerald McCann was upset about the fact that Mathew Oldfield had taken it upon himself to check the McCann apartment (5A) at 9pm, why (if he had returned to the restuarant) would he agree to Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien doing a follow up check, at say 9.30pm?

My view, is that he wouldn't, but he had no say in the matter because Gerald McCann did not return to the tapas restuarant from his own 9.05pm check. He wasn't present when (if the truth be known) Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien volunteered to do Kate McCanns 9.30pm check of apartment 5A that evening. Let's hit the nail on the head, all the other members, a part from Gerald McCann (and perhaps one or two others) all left the tapas restuarant along with Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien at 9.30pm...

Why did they all leave the restuarant at that time?

Well, because of what Mathew Oldfield found inside apartment 5A at the time of his 9pm check, and Gerald McCanns visit there at 9.05pm, plus the fact that he did not return to the tapas restuarant at all, and that customers in the tapas bar were talking about Madeleine missing from the McCann apartment from 9.15pm, onwards - everyone left the restuarant and went to the McCann apartment to get an accurate update..

Kate McCann was amongst the mob that left the tapas restuarant at 9.30pm, it stands to reason therefore, that she wasn't at the restuarant at any stage after 9.30pm, and that she could not have been present in the restuarant until 10pm, at which stage it has been claimed that she left the restuarant to go to the McCann apartment where she allegedly discovered Madeleine to have been taken...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 04:39:PM

Kate McCann was amongst the mob that left the tapas restuarant at 9.30pm, it stands to reason therefore, that she wasn't at the restuarant at any stage after 9.30pm, and that she could not have been present in the restuarant until 10pm, at which stage it has been claimed that she left the restuarant to go to the McCann apartment where she allegedly discovered Madeleine to have been taken...

Who could she have returned to the tapas restuarant to inform to that Madeleine was gone and that she had been taken (with the exception of Diane Webster who returned there at 9.45pm after being absent herself along with all the others at 9.30pm, onwards)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 28, 2019, 05:41:PM
Information filtered through that a member of the European Union visited the Ocean Club around the time Madeleine was 'taken' or whose body was disposed of..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 14, 2020, 05:09:AM
Information filtered through that a member of the European Union visited the Ocean Club around the time Madeleine was 'taken' or whose body was disposed of..

Infact, on the very occasion Madeleine disappearance was alerted to (evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007) this diplomat visited or stayed very close to the McCann apartment (5A) at an apartment in the Ocean Club complex...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 14, 2020, 05:15:AM
And, then of course, there was / is information contained in the following booklet, regarding the involvement of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and various agencies or government officials  getting themselves individually and collectively involved in the investigation from a very early stage...
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 19, 2020, 06:42:PM
Madeleine McCann was not abducted, since prior to the family travelling to Portugal, the parents both knew something terrible might make the public headlines...

Kate McCann knew that some people were out to get her, and Gerry McCann wasn't going to Portugal to enjoy himself...

Madeleine was almost certainly brought to Portugal, with the intention of her becoming (symbolically) a child sacrifice. But matters took a turn for the worst when Madeleine was not safely returned enjoying full health...

They took her, abused her, and left her dead inside apartment 5A - parents left to deal with the catastrophe...

Hence, why the British Government took such an interest in supposedly trying to find out what, if anything happened to her....

Sex predators, that is what many amongst the powers that be, are...

The 12 Disciples, the knights templar, the Freemasons, and now the dawn of the new world Order...

Same philosophy under a different disguise...

Religion, is the route of all evil, dominated by the so called elite in so many different 'guises throughout the history of human / mankind..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 19, 2020, 06:53:PM
Madeleine McCann was deliberately left vulnerable by the McCann parents on most evenings because they anticipated that the dark ones would choose the correct moment to symbolically permit her to become a child sacrifice...

She is dead, thanks to the trust and the beliefs of either parent...

They let her down...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 20, 2020, 05:42:AM
Madeleine McCann was deliberately left vulnerable by the McCann parents on most evenings because they anticipated that the dark ones would choose the correct moment to symbolically permit her to become a child sacrifice...

She is dead, thanks to the trust and the beliefs of either parent...

They let her down...

She ain't coming back to life, anytime since the moment she died (May 2007), the parents know it, their tapas group friends know it, the PJ knew it, the UK government know it - she is dead, and Gerald McCann was the person seen by the Smith contingent carrying Madeleines body down towards the sea....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 20, 2020, 05:58:AM
I am just past my 64th birthday, and I have led something of an interesting life, thus far. You can never tell what is around the corner, and it is easy to be deceived by people who are family, close friends, or even strangers...

But one thing I am good at, is identifying when someone is lying or trying to deceive (me in particular)...

The devil is always in the detail, which involves documentation, photographic evidence, Scientific evidence, sworn testimony, and the behavioural  script of any witness, official or suspect...

I can say with 100% certainty, that the McCann parents know exactly what is supposed to have happened to Madeleine. They knew it was something of a risky business taking Madeleine to Portugal at the back end of April 2007...

This has got to do with Gerald McCann affiliation with the Freemasons (formally derived from the twelve apostle's, the knights templar, and now 'the new world order'...

Think, long and hard...

Think!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 07, 2020, 02:00:AM
Madeleines journey to Portugal was in the guise of a symbolic offering, to people, or persons in power!

Her parents knew there was a risk that she might never return home to Leicester, again..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 28, 2020, 12:35:AM
Isn't it about time that taxpayers' money dried up to be taken over by private contributions, if the parents can raise them? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11047514/madeleine-mccann-cops-cash-12m/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on February 28, 2020, 11:54:AM
Isn't it about time that taxpayers' money dried up to be taken over by private contributions, if the parents can raise them? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11047514/madeleine-mccann-cops-cash-12m/






It's getting out of hand now. Whose wages are they paying ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 03, 2020, 07:43:PM
A possible new lead: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 03, 2020, 09:24:PM
 There was a pic years ago of two chaps on a bridge and one of them was German. They might both have been German but I definitely know one was. He was typically fair-haired and there must have been a suspician back then to have taken a pic of the two of them.

It was a time when many photo's were taken of various characters who were thought to be under suspicion.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 03, 2020, 09:33:PM
German police were on to him last year after he was imprisoned for murdering 3 children. The man is a paedophile .
It looks less than hopeful that Madeleine is alive. News at 10 will perhaps have more information.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 03, 2020, 09:35:PM
Bless her little heart if she found herself in the hands of this monster.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 03, 2020, 09:55:PM
DCI Andy Redwood had asked Germany for assistance to help track down 2 Dutch or German speaking men. Callers phoned in at the time but couldn't give any names. This was in 2013.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 04, 2020, 07:51:AM
German police were on to him last year after he was imprisoned for murdering 3 children. The man is a paedophile .
It looks less than hopeful that Madeleine is alive. News at 10 will perhaps have more information.

She died in the apartment and they're trying to pin it on him.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 04, 2020, 08:05:AM
She died in the apartment and they're trying to pin it on him.





" They're ?", Roch.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 04, 2020, 09:42:AM

" They're ?", Roch.

Police or authorities. It will just be another dead end. Cast the net over any paedophile etc. There won't be any physical evidence. Nobody will be prosecuted. If you want to know what happened to Maddy, speak to the Portuguese. They are not idiots.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 04, 2020, 11:40:AM
Police or authorities. It will just be another dead end. Cast the net over any paedophile etc. There won't be any physical evidence. Nobody will be prosecuted. If you want to know what happened to Maddy, speak to the Portuguese. They are not idiots.




They mightn't be idiots but I feel they're hiding something given the history of paedophilia in the country.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 04, 2020, 11:48:AM
Whatever happens now it suppresses those who continually blamed the parents ( including the police who also did ) for murdering their own child.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 04, 2020, 12:20:PM
Germans/Germany seemed to feature quite a lot in this case as one suspect in 2009 had refused to be interviewed, though not German himself, he had a German wife. The suspect named Ray Hewlett who was being treated in a hospital in Germany for throat cancer was a known paedophile and they had many children. Hewlett had been in Portugal with his family at the time of Madeleine's disappearance .

If you can believe in psychics, one had stated that Madeleine was alive and living with a family in Germany.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 04, 2020, 12:25:PM
7 years ago there was a TV phone-in where a number of people had described the abductor as being Scandinavian or German. Why wasn't it followed up then ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: JackieD on June 04, 2020, 02:28:PM
She died in the apartment and they're trying to pin it on him.


Your sure
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 04, 2020, 03:19:PM

Your sure

To be honest, because of the parents' protestations, I am not 100%.

Maybe we will simply never know for certain.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 04, 2020, 04:52:PM
Just because there was blood in the apartment doesn't mean a thing and it certainly doesn't indicate that either parent had a hand in her disappearance.

The parents had nothing whatsoever to do with the child's disappearance. Their crime was to have left them


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 04, 2020, 05:36:PM
Should this case ever be solved. And I believe one day it will be. Will the rabid accusers of the McCanns admit they were wrong and apologize? I doubt it. They would just start saying they sold her to this guy or whoever the perpetrator is.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 05, 2020, 12:13:AM
To be honest, because of the parents' protestations, I am not 100%.

Maybe we will simply never know for certain.
What I can't understand is if she died in the apartment why would this German paedophile not have left her body in situ..https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-news-suspect-christian-b/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 05, 2020, 11:04:AM
Even if the McCann's themselves had found Madeleine injured/dead in the apartment on returning home from the Tapas bar they'd have immediately rang the police/ambulance.

Roch, I wouldn't have kept quiet either if it had been my child.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ESKIMO TEC on June 05, 2020, 12:06:PM
If this be true!!Makes a certain member look a ....!Do we need  a poll?...lol..I think not!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 05, 2020, 07:41:PM
Christian B..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52935728
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 05, 2020, 08:32:PM
I'd like to know what the police have been doing all these years when he could have been nailed in 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 05, 2020, 08:46:PM
The "German Maddie"..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/german-police-investigating-madeleine-suspect-in-similar-missing-girl-case/ar-BB155aYJ?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 05, 2020, 09:30:PM
Just because there was blood in the apartment doesn't mean a thing and it certainly doesn't indicate that either parent had a hand in her disappearance.

The parents had nothing whatsoever to do with the child's disappearance. Their crime was to have left them

As I understand it, there was both blood and cadaver odour detected.

Should this case ever be solved. And I believe one day it will be. Will the rabid accusers of the McCanns admit they were wrong and apologize? I doubt it. They would just start saying they sold her to this guy or whoever the perpetrator is.

"We are not stupid"

Portuguese chat show host aside (aimed at UK). 

I'm still with Amaral.  Though I do retain some element of doubt, on account of the McCann's ability to keep the campaign going. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 05, 2020, 10:03:PM
Christian B..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52935728

Christian Brueckner. A convicted German pedophile who has alleged to have confessed to Madeleines abduction to a friend in 2017. He was living in praia da luz at the time and his mobile phone was in use near the resort the exact timeframe Madeline went missing.

This by far the best lead yet. I’m cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 05, 2020, 10:29:PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 05, 2020, 10:34:PM
Christian Brueckner. A convicted German pedophile who has alleged to have confessed to Madeleines abduction to a friend in 2017. He was living in praia da luz at the time and his mobile phone was in use near the resort the exact timeframe Madeline went missing.

This by far the best lead yet. I’m cautiously optimistic.

It's interesting that a known sexual deviant resided between Lagos and Pria Da Luz and that his phone was in use at those times and that he changed ownership of his car the day after Maddie disappeared. 

It is interesting that a dog trained to detect human blood, alerted behind the sofa.. and that a separate dog trained to detect cadaver odour, also alerted behind the sofa, independent from the blood dog.

Given that the McCann's know this, why have they not adapted their abduction claims, to a theory where the corpse of Maddie was abducted by the killer, to prevent detection?  Hard as that may seem, are we now surmising that the German fellow (or A N Other) abducted Maddie while still alive and the two specialist dogs therefore alerted for no reason?

I expect you will post up stuff pertaining to false dog alerts, which is fair enough.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 05, 2020, 10:59:PM
It's interesting that a known sexual deviant resided between Lagos and Pria Da Luz and that his phone was in use at those times and that he changed ownership of his car the day after Maddie disappeared. 

It is interesting that a dog trained to detect human blood, alerted behind the sofa.. and that a separate dog trained to detect cadaver odour, also alerted behind the sofa, independent from the blood dog.

Given that the McCann's know this, why have they not adapted their abduction claims, to a theory where the corpse of Maddie was abducted by the killer, to prevent detection?  Hard as that may seem, are we now surmising that the German fellow (or A N Other) abducted Maddie while still alive and the two specialist dogs therefore alerted for no reason?

I expect you will post up stuff pertaining to false dog alerts, which is fair enough.
I could understand a paedophile abducting a child as a trophy to satisfy his own sexual deviancy, and of course many professionals believe there is no cure for paedophilia which evidently will lead to repeat offending. But if this man killed her inside the apartment then why remove the body, unless of course he is seriously mentally ill in which case there is no accounting for his actions.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 05, 2020, 11:11:PM
It's interesting that a known sexual deviant resided between Lagos and Pria Da Luz and that his phone was in use at those times and that he changed ownership of his car the day after Maddie disappeared. 

It is interesting that a dog trained to detect human blood, alerted behind the sofa.. and that a separate dog trained to detect cadaver odour, also alerted behind the sofa, independent from the blood dog.

Given that the McCann's know this, why have they not adapted their abduction claims, to a theory where the corpse of Maddie was abducted by the killer, to prevent detection?  Hard as that may seem, are we now surmising that the German fellow (or A N Other) abducted Maddie while still alive and the two specialist dogs therefore alerted for no reason?

I expect you will post up stuff pertaining to false dog alerts, which is fair enough.

Cadaver dogs are used to lead investigators to human remains. The fact no body was found behind the sofa leads to inevitable conclusion that it was either a false positive, handler error or even outright fabrications by the police. Had Madeline been killed in the apartment and taken away, that in itself would have created a scent trail the dogs could follow. The McCanns wereabouts are well accounted for and there is no feasible time-frame for them to have hidden a body so well.

As for this German guy -

"According to German official records, Christian B has 17 previous convictions, including for theft, forgery, drug-dealing, firearms offences, rape and sexual abuse of children."

The circumstances thus far seem very compelling. He is certainly capable of doing this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 05, 2020, 11:12:PM
I could understand a paedophile abducting a child as a trophy to satisfy his own sexual deviancy, and of course many professionals believe there is no cure for paedophilia which evidently will lead to repeat offending. But if this man killed her inside the apartment then why remove the body, unless of course he is seriously mentally ill in which case there is no accounting for his actions.

DNA / trace evidence - i.e. to prevent detection.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 05, 2020, 11:18:PM
Cadaver dogs are used to lead investigators to human remains. The fact no body was found behind the sofa leads to inevitable conclusion that it was either a false positive, handler error or even outright fabrications by the police. Had Madeline been killed in the apartment and taken away, that in itself would have created a scent trail the dogs could follow.

Cadaver dogs can detect residue scents.  if a body or body part was initially placed somewhere and then moved elsewhere, the cadaver dog can still identify the scent of death in the area.  This happened in the apartment, corroborating the separate human blood dog alert.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 05, 2020, 11:33:PM
Cadaver dogs are used to lead investigators to human remains. The fact no body was found behind the sofa leads to inevitable conclusion that it was either a false positive, handler error or even outright fabrications by the police. Had Madeline been killed in the apartment and taken away, that in itself would have created a scent trail the dogs could follow. The McCanns wereabouts are well accounted for and there is no feasible time-frame for them to have hidden a body so well.

As for this German guy -

"According to German official records, Christian B has 17 previous convictions, including for theft, forgery, drug-dealing, firearms offences, rape and sexual abuse of children."

The circumstances thus far seem very compelling. He is certainly capable of doing this.
He is, but isn't he a rather convenient scapegoat during Brexit negotiations, a bit like the travel quarantine for Brits who venture abroad, and I wonder if the money is running out again.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 05, 2020, 11:38:PM
Cadaver dogs can detect residue scents.  if a body or body part was initially placed somewhere and then moved elsewhere, the cadaver dog can still identify the scent of death in the area.  This happened in the apartment, corroborating the separate human blood dog alert.

Cadaver dogs are only as good as their level of training and the competency of their handlers.

https://news.sky.com/story/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work-10488976 (https://news.sky.com/story/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work-10488976)

Furthermore, The back of the sofa was subject to thorough DNA testing and nothing was found.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 05, 2020, 11:41:PM
He is, but isn't he a rather convenient scapegoat during Brexit negotiations, a bit like the travel quarantine for Brits who venture abroad, and I wonder if the money is running out again.

This has been brought up by the German authorities. Why would they be doing this for a Brexit agenda?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 05, 2020, 11:47:PM
Cadaver dogs are only as good as their level of training and the competency of their handlers.

Furthermore, The back of the sofa was subject to thorough DNA testing and nothing was found.

It could have been cleaned.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 06, 2020, 12:10:AM
It could have been cleaned.

The whole family (including Madeline) was seen that day by fellow holiday makers. Is there even time for a murder, cover plan and clean up? lol its crazy
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 06, 2020, 07:03:AM
The whole family (including Madeline) was seen that day by fellow holiday makers. Is there even time for a murder, cover plan and clean up? lol its crazy

We don't know exactly when the child may have accidently lost her life or come to harm from something more sinister.  The area needed to be cleaned may have been relatively small and the physical traces from any incident may have been easy to clean but difficult to erase from detection by specialist trained dogs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: IndigoJ on June 06, 2020, 10:01:AM
they should charge this guy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 06, 2020, 11:02:AM
they should charge this guy.
On the hearsay of some bloke down the pub?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 06, 2020, 11:57:AM
On the hearsay of some bloke down the pub?

Ironic words from the one who uses hearsay at the fog and beans, as a smoking gun against Bamber.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 06, 2020, 12:09:PM
Ironic words from the one who uses hearsay at the fog and beans, as a smoking gun against Bamber.
But those people were prepared to swear an affidavit and whose testimony tallied with others who were also prepared to repeat in a court of law.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 06, 2020, 12:24:PM
Jeremy allegedly said in the Frog and Beans that he hated his parents = proof he killed them.

Convicted pedophile allegedly said in a pub that he abducted Madeline = Doesn’t warrant an arrest.

Steve_uk logic  ;D
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 06, 2020, 12:35:PM
Jeremy allegedly said in the Frog and Beans that he hated his parents = proof he killed them.

Convicted pedophile allegedly said in a pub that he abducted Madeline = Doesn’t warrant an arrest.

Steve_uk logic  ;D
There's only a superficial resemblance. You have to put witnesses to the test.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 06, 2020, 05:38:PM
And dogs too---except that they can't speak.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 07, 2020, 08:32:AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/german-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-case-linked-to-two-more-child-disappearances/ar-BB159bGX?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on June 07, 2020, 09:15:AM
Circumstantial evidence seems quite strong against the suspect.

Doubtful he will admit to guilt or say where he put the body. Criminals like to hold secrets which gives them more attention.

The 30 minute phone call beforehand is probably nothing to do with the crime. Unless he had branched out to taking children & passing them on to other criminal syndicates. There is no evidence he has ever done this.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 07, 2020, 09:50:AM
Christian Brueckner. A convicted German pedophile who has alleged to have confessed to Madeleines abduction to a friend in 2017. He was living in praia da luz at the time and his mobile phone was in use near the resort the exact timeframe Madeline went missing.

This by far the best lead yet. I’m cautiously optimistic.
He's adopted..https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393361/Police-link-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-disappearance-schoolboy-6.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 07, 2020, 12:58:PM
He needs putting to sleep whether he's the perpetrator or not. It's one dangerous individual that doesn't belong in society !
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 07, 2020, 11:28:PM
Circumstantial evidence seems quite strong against the suspect.

Doubtful he will admit to guilt or say where he put the body. Criminals like to hold secrets which gives them more attention.

The 30 minute phone call beforehand is probably nothing to do with the crime. Unless he had branched out to taking children & passing them on to other criminal syndicates. There is no evidence he has ever done this.

The McCanns left for dinner at 8.30pm. This call by the suspect was made at 8.32pm. He could have been on the phone to another pedo watching the parents making sure it was all clear and vice versa.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2020, 03:53:AM
The McCanns left for dinner at 8.30pm. This call by the suspect was made at 8.32pm. He could have been on the phone to another pedo watching the parents making sure it was all clear and vice versa.

Gerry McCanns behaviour suggests in the strongest possible terms, that in the early days of this case, that he was in (phone) contact with someone purporting to have got custody of Little (vulnerable)  Madeliene Mccann -  phone records pinpoint McCanns movements to places in Portugal where 'Christian B'  is (now)  known to have frequented (Lagos)...

Furthermore, an eye witness pinpoints Gerry Mccann in another portugeze location, and he was overheard to be pleading with the person(s)  who had got Madeliene at that stage, 'PLEASE DON'T HARM HER'...!!!

At one stage, a substantial amount of money,  was offered to Serge Malinka (by an interested third party) in exchange for 'Madeliene McCanns safe return'...

I believe that there exists a common link between one or other, or both parents, David Payne, Serge Malinka, Robert Murat, Freud the pedo', Christian B, and his girlfriend, and the vicar / priest of St Vincent's Church in Luz. What we are dealing with here, are people who are engaged in sexual and deviant practices involving the ritualistic abuse of young children, chiefly little or young girls...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 09, 2020, 05:06:AM
Things are developing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399409/Police-identify-crooked-hotel-worker-tipped-Madeleine-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399409/Police-identify-crooked-hotel-worker-tipped-Madeleine-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 09, 2020, 06:41:AM
Things are developing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399409/Police-identify-crooked-hotel-worker-tipped-Madeleine-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399409/Police-identify-crooked-hotel-worker-tipped-Madeleine-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html)
Shouldn't Kate have realized that giving out the information that the children were left alone in the apartment could be open to abuse?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 09, 2020, 07:19:AM
Shouldn't Kate have realized that giving out the information that the children were left alone in the apartment could be open to abuse?

Beside the point.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 09, 2020, 09:49:AM
Beside the point.
No. To leave your three-year-old child and two-year-old twins alone is one thing. To broadcast this to another person in the hope of obtaining a block booking in a restaurant is another.

Christian Brueckner is insane. It's possible he ate Madeleine. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 09, 2020, 11:40:AM
Right from the start it had to be someone from the bar who knew the movements of the McCann's. What's wrong with people that they couldn't have worked that one out ?  ::) It gets sillier and sillier.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 09, 2020, 12:00:PM
There should also have been limited resources instead of throwing millions away and solving nothing. Someone's made a killing out of all this ( no pun intended )
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 09, 2020, 01:19:PM
Another victim? https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/father-of-missing-louise-kerton-wants-madeleine-suspect-questioned/ar-BB15eOx3?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 09, 2020, 04:18:PM
"We've got things we cannot communicate that speak for the theory.." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/the-tragic-reason-madeleine-mccann-s-kidnapper-might-have-known-when-to-take-her/ar-BB15f5Xm?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on June 09, 2020, 06:25:PM
No. To leave your three-year-old child and two-year-old twins alone is one thing. To broadcast this to another person in the hope of obtaining a block booking in a restaurant is another.

Christian Brueckner is insane. It's possible he ate Madeleine. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/
Hindsight is always helpful Steve but there are many patents who can now see the risks they may have taken with their children.  I think it is really unfair to judge the McCann’s, think they have suffered quite enough.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 09, 2020, 09:34:PM
What is interesting about this development is that the German authorities have no agenda or any pre-conceived notions on the case. Contrary to the Portugese police that do, and lost their credibility on the case not long after this saga began.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 10, 2020, 06:56:PM
What is interesting about this development is that the German authorities have no agenda or any pre-conceived notions on the case. Contrary to the Portugese police that do, and lost their credibility on the case not long after this saga began.

My understanding is that prior to the case becoming 'political', the UK police were with the Portuguese police.

Was it not a collaboration between Portuguese and UK police who brought the dogs in?  The handler was British I believe. 

It's being said that the Germans have evidence that Maddie died.  If this is not from an alleged disclosure (i.e. hearsay) then is it possible that the suspect has been bugged? 

The hotel complex confirmed nobody had died in that apartment before. 

A dog specifically trained to be able to detect minute traces of human blood, alerted in the apartment.

A dog specifically trained to be able to detect human cadaver odour, even after a cadaver has been moved, alerted in the apartment.

Both dogs alerted separately to each another.

In one area within the apartment, both dogs alerted in the same place. 

The McCann's story is that their daughter must have been abducted.  Why then, where they not shocked that the dogs had alerted in this manner, suggesting that Maddie was already dead, prior to being abducted?

Parents would face a grim reality here:  Daughter missing, presumed dead, from the very start - i.e. daughter's corpse taken in order to prevent trace evidence of suspected killer (who killed her in the apartment).

Imagine if the McCann's were not under suspicion.  The dogs come in, they do their exploration etc.  The result is exactly the same.  What would the McCann's do in those circs? 




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 10, 2020, 11:17:PM
Amaral has said in the past that he believes the British Secret Service has helped deflect attentions in this case – and he predicted last year that a German pedophile serving time in jail would be used as a “scapegoat” to conclude the Madeleine investigation “once and for all”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 05:34:AM
I have always believed that Madeliene Mccann is dead, and that she died before 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 06:21:AM
I have always believed that Madeliene Mccann is dead, and that she died before 3rd May 2007...

She almost certainly died inside (or outside in the poolside garden) apartment 5A, late in the evening of 1st May -  and that Mrs Fenns account relating to a crying child in the apartment below signals the final moments of an alive Madeliene, Mccann ..

From the moment, the patio door of apartment 5A was heard by Mrs Fenn to have slid open (which corresponded to the child stopping crying, and accompanied by the child calling out at that precise point in time, 'Daddy, daddy', and 'daddy') may not have been a case of the parents returning back to apartment 5A, but that the child's 'shout-out' was made because the child was terrified and feared imminent danger!  What my instinct tells me, is that when Mrs Fenn described the sound of the patio door of apartment 5A being slid open, was the sound of the same patio door being slid shut! And that someone had been present with the McCann children inside apartment 5A throughout the entire two hour period of increasingly overheard crying (which started)  at around 10.00pm, onwards (and coincided with the sound of the patio door being slid open or closed), was/is proof of Madeliene Mccann last moments (alive) on the earth!  The crying child overheard by Mrs Fenn which lasted for a two hour period late on the evening of Tuesday the 1st May 2007, almost certainly coincided with the Mccann parents leaving the tapas bar restaurant at about 10.00pm, that same evening and rather than return to their apartment, instead 'they went all the way down the hill to Chaplin bar  (close to St Vincent's Church) for late night drinks with other tapas 7 group members! Whilst all the while, Madeliene was being sexually abused back at their apartment!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 10:09:AM
The Mccann couple, did not return to apartment 5A, until after midnight (1st/2nd May 2007), by which stage Madeliene was no longer physically present inside the premises! Her body had already been thrown or tossed into the poolside garden from the patio above to her death, and then concealed temporarily amongst bushes and shrubs in that garden!

The drunken Mccann parents returned from Chaplins bar, after midnight on that occasion, and without checking on their three siblings...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 11, 2020, 02:40:PM
Amaral predicted last year, that a German pedophile serving time in jail would be used as a “scapegoat” to conclude the Madeleine investigation “once and for all”.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 11, 2020, 08:24:PM
Amaral predicted last year, that a German pedophile serving time in jail would be used as a “scapegoat” to conclude the Madeleine investigation “once and for all”.
Brueckner could have killed Madeleine inside the apartment, whereupon he took her body out. He could be totally insane, in which case there's no logic to his actions.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on June 11, 2020, 09:13:PM
A woman is saying she was raped near to the location where Madeleine was. The woman said he had a German accent, was 6 feet & had blonde eyebrows. He also used a similar routine to the rape Brueckner used on a rape he was found guilty of committing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 10:06:PM

The drunken Mccann parents returned from Chaplins bar, after midnight on that occasion, and without checking on their three siblings...

The tale regarding Madeliene allegedly asking her parents (at breakfast time on morning of 2nd May 2007) why they didn't come back when she and Sean were crying last night, could not have happened because Maddies body was no longer present inside apartment 5A. It had already been removed into the bushes in the poolside garden, and subsequently transported to the derelict building (5 Pescadore Ave)  opposite St Vincent's Church..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 10:12:PM
The Mccann parents did not take Madeliene to the kids club or collect her on 2nd / 3rd May 2007 -  the logs (morning and afternoon sessions) have been fabricated!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 10:18:PM
The Mccann parents did not take Madeliene to the kids club or collect her on 2nd / 3rd May 2007 -  the logs (morning and afternoon sessions) have been fabricated!

No member of staff allegedly involved in childcare (2nd / 3rd May 2007) duties have confirmed that the contents of these records (logs) are genuine, or even been shown to them!  In particular, the Mccann parents account regarding who collected Madeliene from the kids club at 5.30pm on 3rd May 2007!

How could parents give conflicting accounts regarding who collected Madeliene from the kids club on the last occasion?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 10:39:PM
According to information posted online the girlfriend of the latest suspect (Christian B) has told how her boyfriend told her on the 2nd May 2007, that on the following day (3rd May 2007) he was going to Pria De Luz to do something 'horrible', and that it would mean that she would not be seeing him for awhile..

Apparently, she did not see him (Christian B) again once he left her at Lagos (to pursue his destiny in Pria De Luz), and which coincides with the official version of when Madeliene Mccann vanished from apartment 5A (evening of 3rd May 2007)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 10:53:PM
According to information posted online the girlfriend of the latest suspect (Christian B) has told how her boyfriend told her on the 2nd May 2007, that on the following day (3rd May 2007) he was going to Pria De Luz to do something 'horrible',

To do something 'Horrible' at Pria De Luz on the following day (3rd May 2007)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 11, 2020, 10:56:PM
Amaral predicted last year, that a German pedophile serving time in jail would be used as a “scapegoat” to conclude the Madeleine investigation “once and for all”.

Amaral has no credibility. He was found guilty of falsifying evidence in a similar case.

 https://web.archive.org/web/20150611101242/http://www.theguardian.com/uk/feedarticle/8521559 (https://web.archive.org/web/20150611101242/http://www.theguardian.com/uk/feedarticle/8521559)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 11:00:PM
I personally feel and believe that one or other parent, one or more group member, Robert Murat and Serge Malinka, were in one way or another involved in Madeliene Mccanns demise, and that by breakfast time (2nd May 2007) she was already dead!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 11:05:PM
I personally feel and believe that one or other parent, one or more group member, Robert Murat and Serge Malinka, were in one way or another involved in Madeliene Mccanns demise, and that by breakfast time (2nd May 2007) she was already dead!

Everything has been done, to make out that Madeliene was still alive 2nd / 3rd May 2007
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 11:14:PM
I am convinced, that Christian B and a girlfriend entered apartment 5A on the evening 1st May 2007, in accordance with Mrs Fenns account regarding the two hour long crying incident she reported...

According to other information, a suspicious couple are understood to have entered the Mccann apartment, which coincided with the crying child in Mrs Fenns account...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2020, 11:22:PM
The movements of the Mccann couple and some of their friends between their apartments and the tapas bar Restaurant on the evening of 3rd May 2007, is full of contradictions (in the same way the Contents of the kid club logs (2nd/3rd May 2007) are also very confusing)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 12, 2020, 04:00:AM
Amaral has no credibility. He was found guilty of falsifying evidence in a similar case.

 https://web.archive.org/web/20150611101242/http://www.theguardian.com/uk/feedarticle/8521559 (https://web.archive.org/web/20150611101242/http://www.theguardian.com/uk/feedarticle/8521559)

Sweeping statement.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 12, 2020, 10:21:AM
Amaral had no right to accuse the McCann's of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 13, 2020, 08:39:AM
Suspect Christian Brueckner told colleague ''The child is dead''

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/h0cbf1/suspect_christian_brueckner_told_colleague_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/h0cbf1/suspect_christian_brueckner_told_colleague_the/)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 13, 2020, 09:09:AM
Suspect Christian Brueckner told colleague ''The child is dead''

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/h0cbf1/suspect_christian_brueckner_told_colleague_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/h0cbf1/suspect_christian_brueckner_told_colleague_the/)

Anybody with any sense would say Maddie is dead.

A cadaver dog alerted in the apartment.

This is the second German paedophile in prison that they have looked in to.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 13, 2020, 01:24:PM
It certainly now looks as though the poor child is dead after initially telling myself that perhaps she'd been " stolen and sold-on " which maybe have had a better outcome if she'd been used as a child beggar. ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: maggie on June 13, 2020, 02:00:PM
Amaral had no right to accuse the McCann's of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.
Absolutely agree Lookout
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 14, 2020, 06:19:AM
I assume the German authorities don't have the evidence for a trial without a confession, so they are covering their backs.. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/german-prosecutor-holds-out-slim-hope-madeleine-could-still-be-alive/ar-BB15s0ar?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 15, 2020, 01:41:PM
'He'll be the scapegoat'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781188/madeleine-mccann-german-paedophile/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 15, 2020, 02:08:PM
'He'll be the scapegoat'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781188/madeleine-mccann-german-paedophile/

CB has been known to the Portuguese police for a while now. Amaral has had this ‘scapegoat’ narrative thought out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 15, 2020, 02:09:PM
CB is not talking.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-missing-german-suspect-christian-bruckner-refuses-questions/69be3ad6-0917-462c-92d4-d901c0f99a4f (https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-missing-german-suspect-christian-bruckner-refuses-questions/69be3ad6-0917-462c-92d4-d901c0f99a4f)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 15, 2020, 02:16:PM
CB is not talking.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-missing-german-suspect-christian-bruckner-refuses-questions/69be3ad6-0917-462c-92d4-d901c0f99a4f (https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-missing-german-suspect-christian-bruckner-refuses-questions/69be3ad6-0917-462c-92d4-d901c0f99a4f)

While that could be interpreted as having something hide, it is also commonly advised legal practice in Germany. 

Not the exact same situation - but Kate McCann also refused to answer a number of pertinent questions, in accordance with legal advice and her own right not to answer.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 15, 2020, 03:51:PM
While that could be interpreted as having something hide, it is also commonly advised legal practice in Germany. 

Not the exact same situation - but Kate McCann also refused to answer a number of pertinent questions, in accordance with legal advice and her own right not to answer.

I find the notion of treating Kate McCann as a suspect appalling.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 15, 2020, 04:42:PM
I find the notion of treating Kate McCann as a suspect appalling.

Please, be patient, all is not what it appears to be!

I can't  believe or accept that Gerald McCann did not tell Kate what had happened, and what was going on.

What we have got here, is a large number of people, including the parents, David Payne, Mathew Oldfield, Russell  O'Brien, Jane Tanner, Serge Malinka,  Robert Murat, at least one member of the Ocean club staff, Hewitt, Christian B (and one of his girlfriends, in cahoots with one another in a cover up!

I also suspect the priest of St Vincent's church in Pria De Luz, who took the McCann parents confessions, before giving them the key to the village church so that they could take refuge overnight on the pretense that they were receiving harassment from the media at large!

Priest vanished into thin air, just like Christian B, and of course Madeliene McCann!

Everything points to some significant link between Madeleine McCanns demise (as alerted to on evening of 3rd May 2007), the priest, the village church, the derelict building directly opposite from the front doors of the church, Gerald and Kate McCann. There must have been some telephone communication between Christian B, and  one or other (or both) parents, which ended up with the McCanns at the church (St Vincents) overnight  and Christian B (and potentially another), over the road inside the derelict building (5 Pescadores ...)

I think the parents, one or other (or both), were talking to whoever had got Madeliene (through prior consent, or arrangement, but that something happened which led to a demand for a large amount of money from the parents (they ended up being blackmailed)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 15, 2020, 06:31:PM
I find the notion of treating Kate McCann as a suspect appalling.

What is the reasoning behind your distaste for Kate being made an arguido?  Please don't reply with a sentence. I'm genuinely interested in yours and Maggie's thoughts.

The questions put to her by police stemmed from their investigation. She could have chosen to cooperate.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 15, 2020, 08:56:PM
Anyone heard of the Podesta Brothers?

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/podesta-brothers-revealed/

What was the name of the witnesses who came forward with testimony relating to a previous holiday with the McCann's?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 16, 2020, 01:09:AM
I remember when I was accused of being a career criminal - apparently someone in such a role knew or could find out anybodies identity and any role they played in whatever was / is being alleged !

I do not judge, what the McCann parents  David Payne, Mathew Oldfield, Russell  O'Brien, Jayne Tanner
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 16, 2020, 01:56:AM
(https://i.redd.it/ql09t8mc65551.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 16, 2020, 06:06:PM
(https://i.redd.it/ql09t8mc65551.jpg)

The letter didn't arrive apparently.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 16, 2020, 09:08:PM
While that could be interpreted as having something hide, it is also commonly advised legal practice in Germany. 

Not the exact same situation - but Kate McCann also refused to answer a number of pertinent questions, in accordance with legal advice and her own right not to answer.
I do find it unsettling that Kate McCann refused to answer questions put to her by Police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 16, 2020, 11:02:PM
I do find it unsettling that Kate McCann refused to answer questions put to her by Police.

Steve, have you read the full link above about the Podesta brothers?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 17, 2020, 06:20:AM
Steve, have you read the full link above about the Podesta brothers?
One of the brothers was in charge of Hillary Clinton's ill-fated run for the Presidency in 2016 and announced to a confounded audience on election night at Democrat headquarters that she would not be appearing on stage as expected that moment. I can't believe they had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

More news: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/06/16/madeleine-suspect-a-kept-childrena-s-swimwear-in-mobile-homea/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 17, 2020, 07:44:AM
Jesus Christ this is one sick individual


”Girls' swimming costumes and other children's clothes were found in an old motorhome owned by Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner, it emerged yesterday.“


“Police also found six memory sticks with more than 8,000 files, mostly containing pictures and videos of child abuse. They were in a bag in a hole in the ground, underneath the body of his dead dog”.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 17, 2020, 09:16:AM
I find the notion of treating Kate McCann as a suspect appalling.

I just noticed, you only mentioned one parent.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 17, 2020, 05:38:PM
I find the notion of treating Kate McCann as a suspect appalling.
https://youtu.be/CVDcf9ZcgFM
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 17, 2020, 05:58:PM
https://youtu.be/CVDcf9ZcgFM

"11 hours of interrogation"? That more or less explains it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 17, 2020, 08:40:PM
https://youtu.be/CVDcf9ZcgFM

Good video Steve. The McCann's know far more than they're letting on.

(http://truthformadeleine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/book2.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 17, 2020, 09:58:PM
Amaral was six months ahead of us:

'Not Martin Ney'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7741505/Ex-Portuguese-police-chief-claims-leading-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-mystery-German-paedophile.html

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 17, 2020, 11:56:PM
Amaral was six months ahead of us:

'Not Martin Ney'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7741505/Ex-Portuguese-police-chief-claims-leading-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-mystery-German-paedophile.html

Amarals “prediction” six month ago coincided with German police busting a pedophile network that CB was connected to. He knows who CB is and has been preparing this ‘scapegoat’ narrative to cover his own backside.

This dude would have done a better investigation than he did

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/e9/61/45e9611843dd4f549f199a7cf2ba2701.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 18, 2020, 06:00:AM
Jesus Christ this is one sick individual

“Police also found six memory sticks with more than 8,000 files, mostly containing pictures and videos of child abuse. They were in a bag in a hole in the ground, underneath the body of his dead dog”.

According to reports on the deep Web, the six memory sticks is the evidence that Madeliene McCann is dead, along with evidence that Christian B sexually abused other children, and female adults, and  he recorded the attacks on all of his victims, without showing any of his facial features!

The German police have got footage from one of the six memory sticks that Madeliene McCann is dead, and that she was sexually abused and her body violated -  her heart was torn out of her body and another part of her inner / intimate anatomy...

German police have got the digital evidence regarding Madeliene McCanns fate, but as yet no other damning digital (recording) proof that Christian B was the perpetrator, other than the six memory sticks which contain the footage Contained in a carrier bag) recovered from beneath the body of his pet dog  in its grave. An informant provided German police of the whereabouts of the grave of the suspects dead dog, an along with information that digital evidence might exist there!

Madeliene McCann is dead!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 18, 2020, 06:04:AM
According to reports on the deep Web, the six memory sticks is the evidence that Madeliene McCann is dead, along with evidence that Christian B sexually abused other children, and female adults, and  he recorded the attacks on all of his victims, without showing any of his facial features!

The German police have got footage from one of the six memory sticks that Madeliene McCann is dead, and that she was sexually abused and her body violated -  her heart was torn out of her body and another part of her inner / intimate anatomy...

German police have got the digital evidence regarding Madeliene McCanns fate, but as yet no other damning digital (recording) proof that Christian B was the perpetrator, other than the six memory sticks which contain the footage Contained in a carrier bag) recovered from beneath the body of his pet dog  in its grave. An informant provided German police of the whereabouts of the grave of the suspects dead dog, an along with information that digital evidence might exist there!

Madeliene McCann is dead!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 18, 2020, 07:06:AM
According to reports on the deep Web, the six memory sticks is the evidence that Madeliene McCann is dead, along with evidence that Christian B sexually abused other children, and female adults, and  he recorded the attacks on all of his victims, without showing any of his facial features!

The German police have got footage from one of the six memory sticks that Madeliene McCann is dead, and that she was sexually abused and her body violated -  her heart was torn out of her body and another part of her inner / intimate anatomy...

German police have got the digital evidence regarding Madeliene McCanns fate, but as yet no other damning digital (recording) proof that Christian B was the perpetrator, other than the six memory sticks which contain the footage Contained in a carrier bag) recovered from beneath the body of his pet dog  in its grave. An informant provided German police of the whereabouts of the grave of the suspects dead dog, an along with information that digital evidence might exist there!

Madeliene McCann is dead!

 :( I just hope she died not long after the abduction and didn't go through a lenghty ordeal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 18, 2020, 10:01:AM
:( I just hope she died not long after the abduction and didn't go through a lenghty ordeal.

If CB abducted Maddie, he abducted her corpse.

The two separate sniffer dogs were used to check all apartments linked to the 'Tapas 9'

The only apartment they alerted in was the McCann's apartment.

The cadaver dog indicated both behind the sofa and on the floor / bottom shelf of the wardrobe in the McCann's apartment.   

The blood dog indicated behind the sofa but not in the wardrobe.

What is Christian Brueckner doing, placing the corpse of a child he has just accidentally killed or murdered, in the wardrobe of an apartment that he's gained access to?

A dog also indicated their hire car, ignoring several other vehicles parked in the garage.

Also, Kate McCann's clothes and Maddie's soft toy were indicated by a dog. 

Regarding any inconclusive DNA testing, the hotel complex advised that nobody else had previously died in the McCann's apartment. 

Why are Gerry and Kate McCann not shocked by the implications of the dogs alerts in the apartment?  The answer is simple - they already know Maddie is dead.

Lastly, don't forget the Gaspar testimony about the conversation between Payne and McCann on a previous holiday.

23:27 onward in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WAhv_5OTM
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 18, 2020, 10:09:AM
Amarals “prediction” six month ago coincided with German police busting a pedophile network that CB was connected to. He knows who CB is and has been preparing this ‘scapegoat’ narrative to cover his own backside.

This dude would have done a better investigation than he did

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/e9/61/45e9611843dd4f549f199a7cf2ba2701.jpg)

So out of that ring, they can now get a witness to say anything they want.  'You cooperate, we drop any charges re paedophilia'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 18, 2020, 02:03:PM
:( I just hope she died not long after the abduction and didn't go through a lenghty ordeal.

According to what the German police have discovered, by reference to 8,000 files contained on six memory sticks (most of which are downloads from internet porn sites), which were recovered from his pet dogs burial place, Christian B sexually abused and assaulted (all his victims), except for a few who were attacked in their own apartments! He duly recorded footage of his behaviour toward victims, on video!

With this in mind, and let us assume that he was the one who abducted Madeleines body from apartment 5A (Ocean Club) on evening of 3rd May 2007, would there have been sufficient time in between one member, or other, doing regular checks on the children in their own, and other apartments, belonging to the other members of the so called tapas 9 group members?

I don't think so..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 18, 2020, 02:37:PM
According to what the German police have discovered, by reference to 8,000 files contained on six memory sticks (most of which are downloads from internet porn sites), which were recovered from his pet dogs burial place, Christian B sexually abused and assaulted all his victims (except for a few of his victims) were attacked in the own apartments! He duly recorded footage of his behaviour toward victims, on video!

With this in mind, and let us assume that he was the one who abducted Madeleines body from apartment 5A (Ocean Club) on evening of 3rd May 2007, would there have been sufficient time in between one member, or other, doing regular checks on the children in their own, and other apartments, belonging to the other members of the so called tapas 9 group members?

I don't think so..

At least this theory doesn't ignore the evidence Maddie died in the apartment. However, it doesn't explain the hire car, Katie's clothes and the soft toy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 18, 2020, 04:15:PM
So out of that ring, they can now get a witness to say anything they want.  'You cooperate, we drop any charges re paedophilia'.

These creeps meet up then barter and trade DVDs and USBs of what they get up to. Its believed that they have found footage or photos circulating this ring of Madeleine McCann being abused.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 18, 2020, 04:24:PM
If CB abducted Maddie, he abducted her corpse.

The two separate sniffer dogs were used to check all apartments linked to the 'Tapas 9'

The only apartment they alerted in was the McCann's apartment.

The cadaver dog indicated both behind the sofa and on the floor / bottom shelf of the wardrobe in the McCann's apartment.   

The blood dog indicated behind the sofa but not in the wardrobe.

What is Christian Brueckner doing, placing the corpse of a child he has just accidentally killed or murdered, in the wardrobe of an apartment that he's gained access to?

A dog also indicated their hire car, ignoring several other vehicles parked in the garage.

Also, Kate McCann's clothes and Maddie's soft toy were indicated by a dog. 

Regarding any inconclusive DNA testing, the hotel complex advised that nobody else had previously died in the McCann's apartment. 

Why are Gerry and Kate McCann not shocked by the implications of the dogs alerts in the apartment?  The answer is simple - they already know Maddie is dead.

Lastly, don't forget the Gaspar testimony about the conversation between Payne and McCann on a previous holiday.

23:27 onward in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WAhv_5OTM

Did they find a body behind the sofa? No

Its not unheard of for dogs to pick up traces of things where nothing has happened, its later discovered that the furniture is second hand. You don't know what or where that sofa has been.

If you read the witness statements of the Tapas 7, there is no plausible time frame for the Mccanns to be responsible. Even the Portugese police could work that out. They put the McCanns under suspicion and hoped the case would lose public interest because it was the easiest option for them. Its very much like the Jonbenet ramsey case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 18, 2020, 10:28:PM
Did they find a body behind the sofa? No

Its not unheard of for dogs to pick up traces of things where nothing has happened, its later discovered that the furniture is second hand. You don't know what or where that sofa has been.

David, you cant be serious here?  Cadaver dogs scent where a cadaver has been, not just where a cadaver is currently situated.  If there had been a body found behind the sofa, the dogs wouldn't have been brought in in the first place. 


Come on... PJ and UK police had come to the same conclusion, prior to political interference. 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 19, 2020, 04:32:AM


If you read the witness statements of the Tapas 7, there is no plausible time frame for the Mccanns to be responsible. Even the Portugese police could work that out. They put the McCanns under suspicion and hoped the case would lose public interest because it was the easiest option for them. Its very much like the Jonbenet ramsey case.

The McCann parents, knew by breakfast time on the morning of 2nd May 2007  that Madeliene was missing from her bedroom, in apartment 5A..

She did not attend the kids club activities on the morning / afternoon sessions on the 2nd and 3rd May 2007. Kate McCann  slept in Madelienes bed on the night 2nd / morning 3rd May 2007, to try and keep the twins minds from worrying or thinking where Madeliene could be. .

I do not believe that at breakfast time on the morning of 3rd May 2007, that Madeliene made any comments whatsoever to the McCann parents as to why they did not come back to tend or to give comfort to Sean and herself, who had both been crying! I think the parents have fabricated such an episode in an attempt to displace her physical presence, alive although mildly distressed...

The crying of a child, almost certainly took place on the late evening of Tuesday  1st May 2007, as mentioned by a resident (Mrs Fenn), who lived in an apartment above 5A..

Why, didn't Madeliene inquire of the whereabouts of her parents, at breakfast time on the morning of Wednesday  2nd May 2007 (thus synchronising Mrs Fenns account relating to the crying events involving a child in apartment  5A late Tuesday  evening)?

Added to that, according to Kate McCanns script, she supposedly did not sleep in the same bedroom as her husband (Gerald McCann) on the night / early morning of Thursday 3rd May 2007)?

What can be read into what Kate McCann has said, as to the reason why she slept in the children's room rather than in bed with her husband  during the night either side of midnight 2nd / 3rd May 2007, because of her husband's snoring habit?

Another explanation which falls to be considered  is the fact that Kate slept in the spare bed in the children's bedroom ( night 2nd /morning 3rd) because her husband had been ignoring her when they were out socialising on the evening of Wednesday 2nd May 2007?

Also, of some importance, was that the McCann parents (along with other members of the tapas 7 / 9 group) did attend 'Chaplins bar after 10.pm on the evening of Tuesday the 1st May 2007, and that they did not return back to their apartment (5A) until midnight, or a little later...




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 19, 2020, 04:54:AM
Also, of some importance, was that the McCann parents (along with other members of the tapas 7 / 9 group) did attend 'Chaplins bar after 10.pm on the evening of Tuesday the 1st May 2007, and that they did not return back to their apartment (5A) until midnight, or a little later...

There has been an  'element of misinformation' surrounding  the night out at Chaplins bar by the McCann parents and their friends (for good reason)!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 19, 2020, 05:02:AM
The way that I see it, the McCann parents (one or the other, or both), and one or two other group members, including staff / members of the Ocean club, were known to eachother long before the Mccanns arrived in Portugal!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 19, 2020, 05:07:AM
The way that I see it, the McCann parents (one or the other, or both), and one or two other group members, including staff / members of the Ocean club, were known to eachother long before the Mccanns arrived in Portugal!

Included in this group, were / is Robert Murat, Serge Mallinka, Christian B, and a determination to follow demonic worship protocol(s)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 20, 2020, 06:40:PM
The Portugese police destroyed CBs camper van back in 2009.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-suspects-van-crushed-police-22223416 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-suspects-van-crushed-police-22223416)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 20, 2020, 11:47:PM
CBs former lawyer has told the press that he is not surprised by the developments and that CB probably killed Madeleine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 21, 2020, 07:22:AM
Well, well, well...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11863875/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-police-search-old-wells/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 21, 2020, 01:28:PM
Well, well, well...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11863875/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-police-search-old-wells/

Has your view on the case changed Mike, since the recent developments?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 21, 2020, 01:46:PM
Has your view on the case changed Mike, since the recent developments?

How can the wells be tied specifically to CB? Bodies have been dumped in wells for millennia.

If the McCann's had help in disposing of Maddie's remains, then somebody might have knowledge of that. CB could have knowledge or somebody else could have knowledge.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 21, 2020, 01:58:PM
How can the wells be tied specifically to CB? Bodies have been dumped in wells for millennia.


They are searching wells around the farmhouse he was living in at the time. If she is found in one of them it would be extremely incriminating.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 21, 2020, 02:59:PM
They are searching wells around the farmhouse he was living in at the time. If she is found in one of them it would be extremely incriminating.

Let's see the map? Bearing in mind the proximity to Pria Da Luz and the cadavar alerts in the McCann's hire car.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 21, 2020, 03:32:PM
Let's see the map? Bearing in mind the proximity to Pria Da Luz and the cadavar alerts in the McCann's hire car.

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 21, 2020, 04:01:PM
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/TM-comp-pg10-11-NEW-v2.jpg)

But where are the wells? We need like an overhead map. Maybe the press will provide one soon.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 21, 2020, 08:28:PM
From Sputnik:

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a 3-year old British girl who went missing in Portugal in 2007, has seen a significant development recently, as German authorities have identified who they believe is the primary suspect in her disappearance.

Christian Brueckner, the primary suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, had “psychopathic traits”, his former lawyer has said.

Serafim Vieira, who worked as a legal representative for the 44-year old German sex offender, also claimed in an interview with Portugal’s RTP TV that he believes that Brueckner could be behind McCann's abduction.

“I believe he could be behind the disappearance of Maddie," he said. “I can’t say he didn’t have a psychopathic temperament - on the contrary," Mr. Vieira worked for Brueckner in 2006 following his arrest for stealing diesel from HGVs in Portugal’s Algarve - a year before Madeline went missing."

The lawyer suggested that he may have admitted his guilt to that crime to prevent police from searching a farmhouse near Praia da Luz, Portugal where he lived. Law enforcement were therefore unaware of Brueckner's residency there when they conducted their search for McCann in 2007.

Madeleine disappeared in May, 4 months after Brueckner's release and just before her fourth birthday. This sparked a worldwide search which has involved British, Portuguese, and German police.

After more than a decade of investigation, German law enforcement revealed that Brueckner was their main suspect in the McCann disappearance.

A mobile phone call to the suspect placed him in the Praia da Luz area, which she disappeared from on the night in question.

German authorities are looking into any potential involvement by staff at the complex where the McCanns stayed to see if they gave any of the McCann's residency details.

“We are investigating if an Ocean Club member of staff helped the suspect on the night Madeleine disappeared,", said Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor leading the investigation.

“This is of interest to us. The phone call made by the suspect could be between him and a member of staff who told him when to break into the McCanns’ apartment".

While 2 workers in the complex with criminal records have been interviewed by Portuguese authorities, there is so far no evidence they worked with Brueckner.

Gerry and Kate McCann were on a vacation in Praia da Luz with their three children when their daughter went missing.

They had been dining with a group of friends in a restaurant nearby, while the children slept in the apartment. Throughout the evening, the adults returned to check on them but at around 10pm, Mrs McCann discovered that Madeleine was missing.

German investigators have informed the McCann's that they believe Madeleine is dead.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 22, 2020, 07:32:AM
Has your view on the case changed Mike, since the recent developments?

David1819, no I still believe parents are involved, aided and abbetted by other group members; at least two Ocean club members of staff; Robert Murat; Serge Malinka;  the illusive priest from St Vincent's Church who took the McCanns confessions, before handing over the keys of the church to where they sought nightly refuge, whilst their other two children were being looked after by some as yet unidentified party..

It is still my belief that Madelienes body was taken into the derelict building opposite the church in Prai De Luz, and that the parents, were in communication with the person(s) responsible for disposing of their daughters remains, by use of Gerald McCanns mobile phone (from breakfast time, on the morning of Thursday the 3rd May 2007, thereafter). The Cadaver dog and bloodhound alerts in apartment 5A, also the wardrobe in parents bedroom; behind Sofa in living room; In bushes of poolside garden; in front of hire car; on ignition key to hire car; in boot of hire car; Cuddlecat toy; Kate McCanns clothing, must amount to either, the dead body of Madeliene or another having been concealed, or touched, carried or transported at one time or another. Cadaveric scent and blood could have been transferred to all the aforementioned locations simply by having physical contact with a dead person (including/excluding a deceased Madeliene McCann)  elsewhere, or for that matter, as if someone had come into contact with an item of clothing worn by a deceased person!  So, the dog alerts don't prove or establish that the deceased body of Madeliene was necessarily present at any stage in all the locations where the dogs alerted. But, it suggests that somebody who had contact with a deceased person, or an item of clothing worn by the deceased, or was at one time or another in all the locations where the dogs alerted...

With so many dog alerts all over the place, inside apartment 5A, outside apartment 5A, on items of clothing, on Madelienes 'Cuddlecat toy, in the front of the hire car, in the boot of the hire car, on the ignition key to the hire car, etc,it suggests very strongly that the McCann parents had some sort of a connection with a dead body, and Madelienes disappearance. Who else, could have visited all the locations or touched items, and had involvement with the hire car, other than Gerald McCann, Kate Healey, or a group member?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 22, 2020, 07:44:AM

With so many dog alerts all over the place, inside apartment 5A, outside apartment 5A, on items of clothing, on Madelienes 'Cuddlecat toy, in the front of the hire car, in the boot of the hire car, on the ignition key to the hire car, etc,it suggests very strongly that the McCann parents had some sort of a connection with a dead body, and Madelienes disappearance. Who else, could have visited all the locations or touched items, and had involvement with the hire car, other than Gerald McCann, Kate Healey, or a group member?

There is also the matter of the missing holdall belonging to Gerald McCann which was photographed in the parents bedroom wardrobe on the first day of the police investigation ( big enough to conceal the body of a small child)? Was it just a coincidence that the Cadaver dog alerted to the exact same spot inside the parents wardrobe where the holdall had been photographed?

And then the holdall vanished, just like Madeliene appears to have evaporated?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 22, 2020, 09:19:AM
There is also the matter of the missing holdall belonging to Gerald McCann which was photographed in the parents bedroom wardrobe on the first day of the police investigation ( big enough to conceal the body of a small child)? Was it just a coincidence that the Cadaver dog alerted to the exact same spot inside the parents wardrobe where the holdall had been photographed?

And then the holdall vanished, just like Madeliene appears to have evaporated?

If you tie Bruckner to the disappearance, then you have to tie the McCann's to Bruckner. Or, you have to tie both the McCann's and Bruckner to an intermediary agent. If Bruckner has knowledge of Maddie's remains having been disposed of, that in itself does not implicate Bruckner to the exclusion of all other parties.

There may well have been a 'paedophile ring' operating. If there was one operating, that does not in itself implicate the McCann's regarding any involvement in such circles. For example, it's possible for Maddie to have died in an accident and it's possible that the McCann's were assisted in disposing of Maddie's corpse directly or indirectly, by persons linked to any such ring.

It is inconceivable that a cadaver dog would pinpoint only the McCann's apartment and only the McCann's hire car, to the exclusion of all other apartments and cars that were checked, by chance or in error, with a child missing from that very same apartment.

However, if Maddie died in an accident, there would have to be some other potentially negligent or sinister aspect linked to the accident, in order for the McCann's to stage Maddie's disappearance and obtain assistance in the disposal of her corpse.

If the UK police were serious about solving the case, they would have investigated the McCann's either openly or in secret. The police were told not to do so. Even though UK police were initially in agreement with the PJ regarding the McCann's.  That block on the police investigating the McCann's is political and sinister. The block on Amaral's book is sinister.

Why was a high level govt spin doctor allocated to the McCann's? What happened to their first spokesperson? I believe she realised that the McCann's were genuinely implicated and she was replaced.

Like I said before, the Portuguese are not stupid. They are not inferior or lacking in intelligence or in powers of detection. They are not somehow unable to sniff out a lie.

If we criticise the Portuguese for not following all these leads we have seen come to nothing in recent years, then we should criticise the UK for not further investigating the McCann's.  I belive the Portuguese would have got there, if they had been left to continue their investigation. And don't forget, there is not just one Amaral book but two. One about the involvement of British intelligence.

New Mail article re Amaral: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445467/Maddie-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-scapegoat-says-Portuguese-detective.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 22, 2020, 11:32:AM
The former best friend of the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann says he is sure that the German paedophile took the young girl....


Interview: Christian Brückner was my best friend - I'm sure he took Madeleine McCann

The Austrian was friends with Brückner from early 2000, when they lived and committed crimes together in Portugal

By Jamie Johnson PRAIA DA LUZ and Jon Clarke

21 June 2020 • 9:30pm

Michael Tatschl on Christian Brückner (above): He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money

Michael Tatschl on Christian Brückner (above): He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money CREDIT: Facebook

The former best friend of the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann says he is sure that the German paedophile took the young girl.

In an extraordinary interview with the Telegraph, Michael Tatschl, an Austrian drifter who lived with Christian Brückner in Portugal said he has sat down with police and told them all about his “sick” and “perverted” friend, who used to brag about his criminal exploits.

Now, he has urged Brückner to “admit it to the police and close it for good.”

With striking neck tattoos, a close cropped haircut and a large piercing on his left nipple, Tatschl spent years travelling across Europe living in camper vans.

Speaking from his home outside Graz, Austria, where he has finally settled, the 46-year-old is adamant.

"I know he did it,” he claims.

“I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money.

"I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me in Austria.

"They were very clear with me from the first minute. They said 'we are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brückner’ and I told them I knew it already. I was convinced it was him.”

Michael Tatschl:He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money

Michael Tatschl: He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money CREDIT: Facebook

Speaking for the first time about his old friend, Tatschl described how he became involved with Brückner in Portugal in the early 2000s.

The pair lived together, drank together and ultimately committed crimes together.

"I was staying at his house and camping in a van in the garden. We spent a lot of time together and had good fun.

"But he was definitely quite a strange character.

“He was always quite criminal. He liked to brag about the crimes he had done and planned to do, and how he aimed to steal as much money as he could until he reached his dream of having €1 million. Then he would stop.

"It was rich pickings there in Praia da Luz. He was always breaking into apartments in the area and bragging about it to me,” Tatschl claimed.

“He was a very good burglar and would easily climb up to first floor apartments when tourists were out.

"He would climb up to the first floor and steal everything, lots of money, valuables and so many passports. In fact hundreds of passports and lots of watches. Rolexes and other expensive watches.

"He had a hiding place in the house in the rafters in the roof. He had all the money and passports hidden up there, Tatschl claimed.”

The property in question is a farmhouse just outside Praia da Luz which Brückner rented from a British man. Neighbours said he used to race down the dusty gravel track in his Jaguar and have heated shouting matches with a string of girlfriends. Tatschl said Brückner was in a relationship with a German woman 20 years his senior at the time.

It is also where a camcorder was discovered that allegedly had footage of Brückner raping a 72-year-old tourist at a luxury villa in 2005. The video was destroyed, but the testimony of the two men who saw it helped convict Bruckner of the crime last year.

“That’s how I found out he was a sick b******.

“It was of this elderly lady who was chained to a wooden post and she was being beaten and raped.”

“But I admit I got sucked into some of his schemes,” said Tatschl.

"Taking fuel seemed pretty harmless and we did it for a few months.

"The cops caught us red handed, caught us stealing diesel and we got eight-and-a-half months in prison on remand waiting for a trial in Portimao.

"It's just a small prison, so we got to spend a lot of time together.”

In 2006, while the pair were in jail, the farmhouse was robbed, and the money, valuables and camcorder was taken.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 22, 2020, 11:45:AM
The former best friend of the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann says he is sure that the German paedophile took the young girl....


Interview: Christian Brückner was my best friend - I'm sure he took Madeleine McCann

The Austrian was friends with Brückner from early 2000, when they lived and committed crimes together in Portugal

By Jamie Johnson PRAIA DA LUZ and Jon Clarke

21 June 2020 • 9:30pm

Michael Tatschl on Christian Brückner (above): He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money

Michael Tatschl on Christian Brückner (above): He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money CREDIT: Facebook

The former best friend of the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann says he is sure that the German paedophile took the young girl.

In an extraordinary interview with the Telegraph, Michael Tatschl, an Austrian drifter who lived with Christian Brückner in Portugal said he has sat down with police and told them all about his “sick” and “perverted” friend, who used to brag about his criminal exploits.

Now, he has urged Brückner to “admit it to the police and close it for good.”

With striking neck tattoos, a close cropped haircut and a large piercing on his left nipple, Tatschl spent years travelling across Europe living in camper vans.

Speaking from his home outside Graz, Austria, where he has finally settled, the 46-year-old is adamant.

"I know he did it,” he claims.

“I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money.

"I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me in Austria.

"They were very clear with me from the first minute. They said 'we are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brückner’ and I told them I knew it already. I was convinced it was him.”

Michael Tatschl:He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money

Michael Tatschl: He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money CREDIT: Facebook

Speaking for the first time about his old friend, Tatschl described how he became involved with Brückner in Portugal in the early 2000s.

The pair lived together, drank together and ultimately committed crimes together.

"I was staying at his house and camping in a van in the garden. We spent a lot of time together and had good fun.

"But he was definitely quite a strange character.

“He was always quite criminal. He liked to brag about the crimes he had done and planned to do, and how he aimed to steal as much money as he could until he reached his dream of having €1 million. Then he would stop.

"It was rich pickings there in Praia da Luz. He was always breaking into apartments in the area and bragging about it to me,” Tatschl claimed.

“He was a very good burglar and would easily climb up to first floor apartments when tourists were out.

"He would climb up to the first floor and steal everything, lots of money, valuables and so many passports. In fact hundreds of passports and lots of watches. Rolexes and other expensive watches.

"He had a hiding place in the house in the rafters in the roof. He had all the money and passports hidden up there, Tatschl claimed.”

The property in question is a farmhouse just outside Praia da Luz which Brückner rented from a British man. Neighbours said he used to race down the dusty gravel track in his Jaguar and have heated shouting matches with a string of girlfriends. Tatschl said Brückner was in a relationship with a German woman 20 years his senior at the time.

It is also where a camcorder was discovered that allegedly had footage of Brückner raping a 72-year-old tourist at a luxury villa in 2005. The video was destroyed, but the testimony of the two men who saw it helped convict Bruckner of the crime last year.

“That’s how I found out he was a sick b******.

“It was of this elderly lady who was chained to a wooden post and she was being beaten and raped.”

“But I admit I got sucked into some of his schemes,” said Tatschl.

"Taking fuel seemed pretty harmless and we did it for a few months.

"The cops caught us red handed, caught us stealing diesel and we got eight-and-a-half months in prison on remand waiting for a trial in Portimao.

"It's just a small prison, so we got to spend a lot of time together.”

In 2006, while the pair were in jail, the farmhouse was robbed, and the money, valuables and camcorder was taken.


On the information in the article alone, how on earth could he be sure?

And if he 'sold Maddie on' with mention of 'Morrocco' why are German police saying they are certain she is dead (then saying there is some small hope she is not).

Latest article mentions Camper Van:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445467/Maddie-McCann-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-scapegoat-says-Portuguese-detective.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 22, 2020, 12:21:PM
This blog has a lot of information in about the dogs, including other cases worked on.

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/2016/04/the-truth-of-dogs-mccann-case-and-more.html?m=1

I agree, the time line doesn't sit right with the Tapas 9 claims and I've always wondered about Mike's claims that Maddie died earlier.  Though I can't see how her parents would have been able to conceal their emotions.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 22, 2020, 12:54:PM
Part 2

The father-of-one says he “cannot believe” that Portuguese detectives have not yet searched the former home they shared.

When the pair were released from prison, Brückner moved into the distinctive white and yellow VW Westfalia campervan, while Tatschl says he left Portugal for Orgiva, Spain.

Five months later, Madeleine disappeared.

"He had lost the house but he was still enjoying living in the area. I think that confused the police a little as they were not sure where he was living exactly when Maddie vanished,” said Tatschl.

"The next time I saw him was in late May or early June 2007 and he arrived in Spain with his big American campervan, the Winnebago, the one with the swimsuits.

"He parked it up in Orgiva and came looking for me. It was the only reason he had come to Orgiva to find me. He knew that I was living there and he knew I had connections to the marijuana world and could help him make money.

"We all wondered where he’d got the money from.

"I remember specifically having a conversation with an English guy who lived there and we both said how on earth could have had that vehicle?

“We assumed a big drug deal or something like that. Now I suspect it was Maddie.

"He was only there that time for a couple of days and went on back to Germany selling marijuana.”

Brückner has a string of convictions, ranging from molesting a six-year-old girl in a playground when he was just a teenager, to raping a 72-year-old American woman in a horrific attack in Praia da Luz more than a decade later.

Now, he has been identified as the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. German authorities say they have evidence that she is dead, and that Brückner “did the deed” but they do not have enough evidence to charge him.

"He was definitely a pervert and all his friends thought that about him. He had some sexual issues but we didn’t think that he liked young children,” says Tatschl.

"Christian was always on the dark web. He would talk about it and he always had internet in the houses he rented.

"I don’t know exactly what he did but I suspect it involved drugs and pornography.

"He was always bragging about money and making money. He even talked about selling kids maybe to Morocco.

"I didn't really think about it at the time. Just brushed it off as joking.”

Things changed when he watched an eight-part series on the McCann case in March last year.

"When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty.

"The part where the female tourist talked about the man turning up at her door while her child played by the front door, the creepy guy with acne and blonde hair. I just knew it was Christian for sure.”

Days later, police arrived at Tatschl’s front door.

“I had two Austrian police and two German Police turn up at my house. I was then taken to the police station where I told them my story over 14 hours.

"It was the first week of April last year and they had me in the police station from 10am to 6pm on the first day and then from 10 am until 4pm the next day.

"They were very clear with me from the first minute. They said 'we are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brückner’ and I told them I knew it already. I was convinced it was him. I told them ‘I know what you want. I hope I can help.’”

"I really hope they can finally close this case for the family and find Christian guilty for what he has done. He needs to admit it to the police and close it for good.”

Last week, lawyers defending Brückner said their client “denies any involvement” in the McCann case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 22, 2020, 03:04:PM
"Disgraced Madeleine McCann cop Goncalo Amaral brands Maddie murder suspect a ‘scapegoat’ on Portuguese TV"

"Asked why he thought the German authorities might have interest in coming up with new information which in his opinion had no real value, Amaral claimed: “Because it enables them to have jurisdiction over this case."



Why would the German police be interested in covering up for a couple from Leicester?

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 22, 2020, 06:08:PM
"Disgraced Madeleine McCann cop Goncalo Amaral brands Maddie murder suspect a ‘scapegoat’ on Portuguese TV"

"Asked why he thought the German authorities might have interest in coming up with new information which in his opinion had no real value, Amaral claimed: “Because it enables them to have jurisdiction over this case."



Why would the German police be interested in covering up for a couple from Leicester?

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This kind of framing has probably been planned for years. Like Amaral said, if CB had been dead, he would have been the perfect suspect.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 22, 2020, 06:24:PM
Well, well, well...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11863875/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-police-search-old-wells/

In 2017, Amaral told journalist the body could be hidden in a well. He also stated British intelligence services know what happened to Maddie.

If his two books are such nonsense, why are they banned and almost impossible to get hold of in UK, in normal format?

Even now with Amaral having overturned the ban, I am not aware of publishers printing.  When something gets banned in the UK, you can guarantee it's because something is highly uncomfortable for UK authorities.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 03:11:PM
This blog has a lot of information in about the dogs, including other cases worked on.

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/2016/04/the-truth-of-dogs-mccann-case-and-more.html?m=1

I agree, the time line doesn't sit right with the Tapas 9 claims and I've always wondered about Mike's claims that Maddie died earlier.  Though I can't see how her parents would have been able to conceal their emotions.

German police have discovered an anomaly regarding a sighting in Lagos of Gerald McCann talking to somebody on a mobile phone, where he was seen pacing up and down, and back and forth, and begging /pleading with whoever he was speaking to, 'PLEASE DON' T HURT MADELIENE', 'PLEASE DON' T HURT MADELIENE', 'PLEASE DON' T HURT MADELIENE'.

The discrepancy involves the date when the eye witness saw and heard, what she claims she had seen and heard, at the time she was in the process of making a cash withdrawal from  a cash dispenser in Lagos on two different dates -  one (2nd May 2007)  before the official disappearence of Madeliene McCann, alerted to by Kate Healey at 10.00pm, on the 3rd May. 2007, and secondly, on a date 7th May 2007, afterwards!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 03:23:PM
German police have discovered an anomaly regarding a sighting in Lagos of Gerald McCann talking to somebody on a mobile phone, where he was seen pacing up and down, and back and forth, and begging /pleading with whoever he was speaking to, 'PLEASE DON' T HURT MADELIENE', 'PLEASE DON' T HURT MADELIENE', 'PLEASE DON' T HURT MADELIENE'.

The discrepancy involves the date when the eye witness saw and heard, what she claims she had seen and heard, at the time she was in the process of making a cash withdrawal from  a cash dispenser in Lagos on two different dates -  one (2nd May 2007)  before the official disappearence of Madeliene McCann, alerted to by Kate Healey at 10.00pm, on the 3rd May. 2007, and secondly, on a date 7th May 2007, afterwards!

The eye witness has already confirmed the man she saw and heard, as Gerald McCann,  after subsequently seeing him again on national tv on a later date!  She told police that she was /is 99.9% certain that the man she has spoke about was / is Gerald McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 03:27:PM
The eye witness has already confirmed the man she saw and heard, as Gerald McCann,  after subsequently seeing him again on national tv on a later date!  She told police that she was /is 99.9% certain that the man she has spoke about was / is Gerald McCann..

So, if true, then irrespective of a possible mix up between the two different dates ( 2nd and 7th May 2007), it suggests in the strongest terms possible, that 'Gerald McCann was talking on the phone to somebody claiming to have got'  or 'had taken Madeliene!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 03:33:PM
So, if true, then irrespective of a possible mix up between the two different dates ( 2nd and 7th May 2007), it suggests in the strongest terms possible, that 'Gerald McCann was talking on the phone to somebody claiming to have got'  or 'had taken Madeliene!

So, how come nothing has been said by either parent, or the Portuguese police,  during the last 13 years of investigations, by the Portuguese, or the UK police, about this interaction between the the parent(s)  and a would be abductor(s)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 03:37:PM
What if, the eye witness account of Gerald McCann in Lagos (close to a second address used by Christian B)  occurred on the 2nd May 2007, and not on the 7th May 2007)?

How could McCann be pleading with any would be abductor(s) ('PLEASE DON' T HURT MADELIENE'), a day or more, before she had been reportedly 'taken'  from apartment 5A around 10.00pm on 3rd May 2007? If Maddie had already been taken by a would be abductor(s) by whatever time the eye witness had withdrawn cash from a cash dispenser on the 2nd May 2007 in Lagos, depending upon the time recorded by the bank for that transaction, how could Madeliene Beth McCann have attended the kids creche on the afternoon of 2nd May 2007, and again on the following morning and the afternoon of the 3rd May 2007? How could Madeliene have complained to her parents at breakfast time on the morning of the 3rd May 2007, 'WHY DIDN' T YOU AND DADDY COME TO US LAST NIGHT WHEN ME AND SEAN WERE CRYING''?

Why did Kate Healey sleep in one of the beds in the children's bedroom that 2nd May 2007,  night?  More importantly, how and which bed did she sleep in?  Madelienes bed, or the spare one?  Why did Kate Healey wash the bedsheets of Madelienes bed on the morning of the 3rd May 2007? Was it because she knew that her own DNA would be ingrained in those bedsheets?  Why would she be sleeping in Madelienes bed, (presumably with Madeliene) on the night / morning of 2nd / 3rd May 2007, if Madeliene had already been taken by any would be abductor(s) on 2nd May 2007. Because Kate and her husband knew that Madeliene could not possibly have slept in her bed that 2nd May 2007, night!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 04:17:PM
And then of course, there are the nannies Charlotte Pennington and Kat Baker, who confirmed Madelienes attendance at the kids club on the afternoon of the 2nd May 2007, and the morning and afternoon of the 3rd May 2007? How could Madeliene have possibly been present on those occasions, and if she had already been 'taken by then?

Why are the creche records (2nd / 3rd May 2007) contradictory?

Who' s handwriting entered all the entries concerning Madeliene McCanns faked attendance on those three crucial sessions?

How did Gerald McCann travel to and from Lagos on the 2nd / 7th May 2007?

Who drove him there?

For what reason did he go there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 04:21:PM
And then of course, there are the nannies Charlotte Pennington and Kat Baker, who confirmed Madelienes attendance at the kids club on the afternoon of the 2nd May 2007, 29 and the morning and afternoon of the 3rd May 2007? How could Madeliene have possibly been present on those occasions, and if she had already been 'taken by then?

Why are the creche records (2nd / 3rd May 2007) contradictory?

Who' s handwriting entered all the entries concerning Madeliene McCanns faked attendance on those three crucial sessions?

How did Gerald McCann travel to and from Lagos on the 2nd / 7th May 2007?

Who drove him there?

For what reason did he go there?

Why did Gerald McCann delete mobile phone records from his mobile phone on the evening and morning of 3rd / 4th May 2007?

Who did he call / who called him, on those deleted occasions?

Funny how Robert Murat flew back from the UK to Portugal after Madiene had already been taken (by 2nd May 2007)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 04:26:PM
According to the eye witness account, when she observed and overheard what Gerald McCann was talking about, she described him in possession of, and and holding a small notebook and a pen he appeared to be writing down instructions in it..

What happened to that notebook and pen?

What information did he write down in that notebook?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 23, 2020, 05:10:PM
"Disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral told Portuguese TV on Sunday night: 'They had come knocking on the door. That person wasn't home'"

Oh dear..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 08:49:PM
The pock faced suspect as seen by a local schoolgirl who was standing on the opposite side of the road to apartment 5A, was / is almost certainly Christian B...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 23, 2020, 08:52:PM
Similar to how top cop Sir John Stevens performed in the Stephen Lawrence murder.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 23, 2020, 08:58:PM
The pock faced suspect as seen by a local schoolgirl who was standing on the opposite side of the road to apartment 5A, was / is almost certainly Christian B...

The lady suspect who stood in a similar place, appearing to be watching the McCann apartment was almost certainly Charlotte Penington..

The mysterious couple who were said to have entered the McCann apartment on the evening of 1st May 2007, were undoubtedly the pock faced man (Christian B) and the lady dressed in red (Charlotte Pennington), which corresponded to the crying episode reported by Mrs Fenn on the evening of 1st May 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 23, 2020, 09:07:PM
The English is verbose and not always easy to follow but this is an interesting critique of Amaral's theory.  Worth a read. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 24, 2020, 02:06:AM
The lady suspect who stood in a similar place, appearing to be watching the McCann apartment was almost certainly, Charlotte Penington..

The mysterious couple who were said to have entered the McCann apartment on the evening of 1st May 2007, were undoubtedly the pock faced man (Christian B) and the lady dressed in red (Charlotte Pennington), which corresponded to the crying episode reported by Mrs Fenn on the evening of 1st May 2007.

The nanny (Charlotte Pennington) , along with an accomplice (the pock faced man - Christian and B) went to the finale apartment 5A to tend to the crying child(ren)  on the evening of 1st May 2007!

On this occasion, the McCann parents visited 'Chaplins bar' after their evening (concluded prior to 10.00 pm)  meal, at the Ocean Club)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 26, 2020, 05:25:PM
'a paedophile had to be provided'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11961695/madeleine-mccann-cop-hundreds-paedophiles-algarve/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 26, 2020, 07:26:PM
'a paedophile had to be provided'.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11961695/madeleine-mccann-cop-hundreds-paedophiles-algarve/

More: https://www.portugalresident.com/what-kidnap-maddie-detective-gives-interview-as-mainstream-warns-investigation-could-be-dropped-if-missing-evidence-isnt-found/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 26, 2020, 08:24:PM
More: https://www.portugalresident.com/what-kidnap-maddie-detective-gives-interview-as-mainstream-warns-investigation-could-be-dropped-if-missing-evidence-isnt-found/
I still feel this case is soluble, but we don't have all the information. The German Police are obviously trying to link Brueckner with Inga Gehricke: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11793499/what-happened-germanys-madeleine-inga-gehricke-when-go-missing/

..and Rene Hasee https://inews.co.uk/news/rene-hasee-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-investigated-disappearance-434736

Martin Smith says Brueckner is not the man..https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 26, 2020, 08:44:PM
This is what Kate wrote about Amaral.

"Amaral and his chums had evidently been poised to take full advantage of the long-awaited lifting of judicial secrecy. Now they really went to town: we had staged a kidnap, or Madeleine had died in our holiday apartment and we had hidden her body; we had influenced the British police and organized our campaign to mislead investigators into searching for a living child, and so on and so forth. No longer gagged by the law, Amaral was talking more and more openly to journalists and turning up on television chat shows. A friend in the Algarve kept us updated on his activities. It was unpleasant and distressing to hear what he was saying, but we had to know what Madeleine was up against in Portugal. And it was incessant. With the best will in the world, it is hard for anyone to absorb this stuff day in, day out and remain completely objective, especially when it is never challenged or balanced by an alternative viewpoint. It is impossible to convey, particularly to people outside Portugal who were not aware of Amaral’s behaviour, just how difficult this smear campaign was both to withstand and to counter. And we desperately needed to counter it: we have always believed that the information that can lead us to our daughter is likely to come from Portugal. This is where the crime was committed, after all. Blackening our names was one thing, but if people there were taken in by Amaral’s theories, they were going to think there was no point in looking for Madeleine, or in passing on any information that might be relevant. We are quite sure that Amaral’s posturing has reduced our chances of finding her. Why on earth would a former police officer want to convince the world that a missing child was dead – with no evidence whatsoever to support his claim? The only conclusion we could draw was that he was attempting to justify his actions while in charge of the investigation and at the same time promoting his forthcoming book to cash in on our misfortune. It just beggars belief."


"Later the same month, Amaral was given an eighteen-month suspended prison sentence in connection with a case in which three of his officers were accused of torture. The mother and uncle of another missing child – eight-year-old Joana Cipriano, who had disappeared in 2004 from a village seven miles from Praia da Luz – had been imprisoned for her murder, although no body has ever been found. They claimed they had been tortured into confessing (the police maintained that Sra Cipriano had fallen down the stairs). The officers concerned were cleared but the jury found that Amaral had falsified statements relating to the torture case. His conviction was upheld in the Supreme Court in March 2011. Joana’s mother is still in jail. Falsifying statements? It was difficult to understand why anyone would believe the theories of a police officer found guilty of such malpractice. While coordinating the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, Amaral had been an arguido. How on earth had he come to be put in charge of an inquiry into the disappearance of another missing child?"
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 26, 2020, 10:44:PM
More from Kate McCann

"To our dismay, however, the Portuguese press, galvanized by Gonçalo Amaral, lapped it up. Off he went on another round of the interview circuit – he even held a press conference on the matter – seizing this opportunity to air his allegations once again. It was absolutely soul-destroying. What probably galls me the most about Amaral’s interviews is the way he presents himself as a person who, perhaps above all others, really wants to find Madeleine and get to the bottom of her fate. I cannot begin to express how much this outrages me. His conduct in relation to the search for our daughter has led us to believe otherwise. There is nobody in the world more desperate than Gerry and me to find our daughter and to discover the truth – the whole truth – about what happened to her. What does he think has been the focus of our existence since 3 May 2007? At that point it was almost two and a half years since the prosecutor had closed the file and removed our arguido status. How many more times will we have these disgraceful slurs thrown at us? How many more times will they be pushed down the throats of the Portuguese public? Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted of falsifying statements and has coordinated investigations into the disappearance of two little girls, neither of whom has been found. Why is this man being allowed a platform from which to peddle his absurd and offensive ideas?"
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 26, 2020, 11:02:PM
It sounds genuine. But this is coming from a mother who refused to answer multiple questions about the disappearance of her own daughter.  The McCann's have been coached by experts and have had multiple resources made available to them, that would not normally be afforded to others in a similar situation.

Presumably, the crooked Amaral and his pals arranged for corpse odours to be distributed, to effect the dog alerts.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 26, 2020, 11:57:PM

Martin Smith says Brueckner is not the man..https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11964573/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/

I think I still feel this case is soluble, but we don't have all the information. The German Police are obviously trying to link Brueckner with Inga Gehricke: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11793499/what-happened-germanys-madeleine-inga-gehricke-when-go-missing/

..and Rene Hasee https://inews.co.uk/news/rene-hasee-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-investigated-disappearance-434736
 I think Smith th man was either Gerald McCann,  or Serge Malinka!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 27, 2020, 03:31:AM
Presumably, the crooked Amaral and his pals arranged for corpse odours to be distributed, to effect the dog alerts.

False positive.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/031119%20PD%20BRIEF(1).pdf (https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/031119%20PD%20BRIEF(1).pdf)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 27, 2020, 04:28:AM
False positive.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/031119%20PD%20BRIEF(1).pdf (https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/031119%20PD%20BRIEF(1).pdf)

I think Amaral got it 80% right!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 27, 2020, 05:48:AM
What happened in the case of Madeliene McCann,  has political connotations!

As a result, the international authorities have been deliberately 'gilding the lily' by turning the matter of her disapperence into something unsolvable..

Freemasonry, and perverted corruption lies at the heart of Madeliene McCanns demise!



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 27, 2020, 06:01:AM
The McCann parents and tapas group friends, were all in on what was supposed to symbolically happen to Madeliene McCann. Freemasonry, devil worship, and an influx of Peadophile activity.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 27, 2020, 06:16:AM
The McCann parents and tapas group friends, were all in on what was supposed to symbolically happen to Madeliene McCann. Freemasonry, devil worship, and an influx of Peadophile activity.

The UK government had an invested interest in whT actually happened to Madeliene the McCann..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 27, 2020, 06:23:AM
False positive.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/031119%20PD%20BRIEF(1).pdf (https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/031119%20PD%20BRIEF(1).pdf)
.

Bit of a coincidence then isn't it?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 27, 2020, 11:30:AM
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Bit of a coincidence then isn't it?

Most studies show that the false positive rate for these dogs are around 15%. So that's around a 1 in 7 chance.

Furthermore It takes around 90 minutes post mortem for most cadaver dogs to smell cadaverine. It takes around 3 days for humans to smell it. She had to be dead in the apartment for some period of time. The last sighting of MM from a witness other than Jerry or Kate was at 6:30pm. Kate and Jerry were then at the dinner table by 8:30pm.

You now have a very narrow time frame for these two to hide a body in a place they are unfamiliar with and not be seen.

It really doesn't add up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 27, 2020, 12:48:PM

 It takes around 90 minutes post mortem for most cadaver dogs to smell cadaverine. It takes around 3 days for humans to smell it. She had to be dead in the apartment for some period of time. The last sighting of MM from a witness other than Jerry or Kate was at 6:30pm. Kate and Jerry were then at the dinner table by 8:30pm.

You now have a very narrow time frame for these two to hide a body in a place they are unfamiliar with and not be seen.

It really doesn't add up.

Madelienes body did not necessarily have to have physically been in the parents bedroom wardrobe, or behind the sofa in the living room, or in the bushes in the poolside garden after she had died -but something which came into contact with Madelienes body after she died, could have been concealed temporarily in each of these locations!

Gerald McCanns holdall which mysteriously vanished was large enough to conceal the body of their daughter prior to removal from the apartment, and or on a later occasion when that contact occurred elsewhere, then and after she died!

We know that this holdall was photographed inside the parents bedroom wardrobe on the first day of the police investigation before it vanished, and it is likely that at some stage in the proceedings, that the very same holdall was concealed behind the sofa in apartment 5A, and for that matter, amongst the bushes of the apartments(5A) poolside garden!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 27, 2020, 01:08:PM
Madelienes body did not necessarily have to have physically been in the parents bedroom wardrobe, or behind the sofa in the living room, or in the bushes in the poolside garden after she had died -but something which came into contact with Madelienes body after she died, could have been concealed temporarily in each of these locations!

Gerald McCanns holdall which mysteriously vanished was large enough to conceal the body of their daughter prior to removal from the apartment, and or on a later occasion when that contact occurred elsewhere, then and after she died!

We know that this holdall was photographed inside the parents bedroom wardrobe on the first day of the police investigation before it vanished, and it is likely that at some stage in the proceedings, that the very same holdall was concealed behind the sofa in apartment 5A, and for that matter, amongst the bushes of the apartments(5A) poolside garden!

Abduction by Christian Brueckner is much more likely.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on June 27, 2020, 01:47:PM
It needn't necessarily have been the scent of Madeleine that the dog detected. They can sniff it out but not tell you from whose body it came from. The abductor could have had a scent on him from either Madeleine ( if it had been proved that she'd already died ) or from a previous murder he'd committed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 27, 2020, 04:33:PM
It needn't necessarily have been the scent of Madeleine that the dog detected. They can sniff it out but not tell you from whose body it came from. The abductor could have had a scent on him from either Madeleine ( if it had been proved that she'd already died ) or from a previous murder he'd committed.

So the abductor inadvertently deposits cadaver scent in the wardrobe and behind the sofa and it's a coincidence that the blood dog alerted behind the sofa also. How did Bruckner (or A N Other) also deposit such scents in the hire car, on the cuddle cat and on Katie's clothing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 27, 2020, 05:57:PM
It needn't necessarily have been the scent of Madeleine that the dog detected. They can sniff it out but not tell you from whose body it came from. The abductor could have had a scent on him from either Madeleine ( if it had been proved that she'd already died ) or from a previous murder he'd committed.

There were false positives. Scent dog results need to be backed up and confirmed with forensic testing. In this case they were not. Nothing incriminating was found once these items were put under closer scrutiny. Hence the Mccanns are no longer suspects.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 28, 2020, 07:58:PM
“Madeleine McCann detectives ‘have evidence she is dead’ as they trawl suspect’s videos & pictures found buried with dog”

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5750993/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5750993/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 28, 2020, 09:12:PM
“Madeleine McCann detectives ‘have evidence she is dead’ as they trawl suspect’s videos & pictures found buried with dog”

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5750993/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5750993/madeleine-mccann-evidence-dead-christian-b-buried-videos/)

Then charge him?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 29, 2020, 05:18:PM
Inside the secret lair of prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 30, 2020, 07:06:AM
Abduction by Christian Brueckner is much more likely.

In recent days, the German police / prosecutor has sent a letter to the McCann parents informing them that they know Madeliene is dead, without telling them how they can be so sure or why they are so sure. - it is a masterstroke by the German authorities, because rumour has it that the Germans have evidence that the McCann parents and others know that Madeliene is dead. The German authorities also know that the very last photograph that was supposedly taken of Madeliene is a fake piece of evidence, and that by breakfast time on the 2nd May 2007, that Madeliene was known to be absent from apartment 5A, and and that on the very same date, that Gerald McCann was in Lagos, and liaising with Christian B for the return of Madelienes body..

The McCann parents parents could not have seen Madeliene at any stage on either the 2nd or 3rd May 2007, because the very last occasion she was known to be alive inside apartment 5A was at about 11.45 - 12 mid night on the evening of the 1st May 2007, as witnessed by Mrs Fenn and the crying child scenario. The German authorities know that Mrs Fenns account regarding the sound of the patio door to apartment 5A being slid open by the return of the McCann parents was in fact the sliding open of the same patio door from inside the apartment, and that the crying of a child which appeared to stop around the time the patio door to 5A was operated, and accompanied by a child's voice calling out,  'daddy, daddy, daddy', was almost certainly the time she was taken from the McCann apartment by a man and a woman, supposedly returning to the apartment after a night out wining /dining in the nearby tapas bar restaurant of the Ocean Club. But, the couple mentioned were not the McCann Parents who were at that very moment still having drinks down in Chaplin bar (close by the village church where the McCann parents subsequently took refuge to avoid being hounded by the media). The creche records relating to Madelienes alleged attendance on the morning and afternoon of 2nd /3rd May 2007, were faked by members of the ocean club staff, and Almost certainly involved Charlotte Pennington and Cat Baker (creche nanies)...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 30, 2020, 12:25:PM
In recent days, the German police / prosecutor has sent a letter to the McCann parents informing them that they know Madeliene is dead, without telling them how they can be so sure or why they are so sure. - it is a masterstroke by the German authorities, because rumour has it that the Germans have evidence that the McCann parents and others know that Madeliene is dead. The German authorities also know that the very last photograph that was supposedly taken of Madeliene is a fake piece of evidence, and that by breakfast time on the 2nd May 2007, that Madeliene was known to be absent from apartment 5A, and and that on the very same date, that Gerald McCann was in Lagos, and liaising with Christian B for the return of Madelienes body..

The McCann parents parents could not have seen Madeliene at any stage on either the 2nd or 3rd May 2007, because the very last occasion she was known to be alive inside apartment 5A was at about 11.45 - 12 mid night on the evening of the 1st May 2007, as witnessed by Mrs Fenn and the crying child scenario. The German authorities know that Mrs Fenns account regarding the sound of the patio door to apartment 5A being slid open by the return of the McCann parents was in fact the sliding open of the same patio door from inside the apartment, and that the crying of a child which appeared to stop around the time the patio door to 5A was operated, and accompanied by a child's voice calling out,  'daddy, daddy, daddy', was almost certainly the time she was taken from the McCann apartment by a man and a woman, supposedly returning to the apartment after a night out wining /dining in the nearby tapas bar restaurant of the Ocean Club. But, the couple mentioned were not the McCann Parents who were at that very moment still having drinks down in Chaplin bar (close by the village church where the McCann parents subsequently took refuge to avoid being hounded by the media). The creche records relating to Madelienes alleged to attendance on the morning and afternoon of 2nd /3rd May 2007, were faked by members of the ocean club staff, and Almost certainly involved Charlotte Pennington and Cat Baker (creche nanies)...

What are you going to say when the German authorities confirm they found photos/videos of Madeline post abduction on Christian Bruckners buried USB sticks?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 30, 2020, 12:51:PM
What are you going to say when the German authorities confirm they found photos/videos of Madeline post abduction on Christian Bruckners buried USB sticks?

Well if he's a scapegoat - planted.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 30, 2020, 12:58:PM
Well if he's a scapegoat - planted.

😂

CGI?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 30, 2020, 01:23:PM
😂

CGI?

I don't believe the dogs gave false alerts. I don't believe the Tapas 9 / Tapas 7 gave totally honest accounts.  I don't see why a Labour prime minister would show such disrespect to the Portuguese authorities and send a government spin doctor to represent the couple. I don't see why a serious police investigation in to the disappearance would not have all avenues available for investigation and persue only those avenues linked to a possible abduction. Literally not allowed to investigate the original line of enquiry any further.  That's disgraceful.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on June 30, 2020, 01:34:PM
😂

CGI?

Were the incorrect van images also CGI?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 30, 2020, 07:19:PM
The question is: why keep the memory sticks and child abuse images, unless he is completely round the twist and quite impervious to arrest?  He may have killed the child inside the apartment and removed the lifeless body that evening, hence the cadaver odour detected by the sniffer dogs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 30, 2020, 07:28:PM
The question is: why keep the memory sticks and child abuse images, unless he is completely round the twist and quite impervious to arrest?  He may have killed the child inside the apartment and removed the lifeless body that evening, hence the cadaver odour detected by the sniffer dogs.

The memory sticks were buried on a remote abandoned factory site that he owned.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 30, 2020, 07:31:PM
The memory sticks were buried on a remote abandoned factory site that he owned.
But why not throw them in the trash, unless they were some kind of trophy? Or maybe his addiction was so strong he thought of retrieving them at a later date.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on June 30, 2020, 07:37:PM
But why not throw them in the trash, unless they were some kind of trophy? Or maybe his addiction was so strong he thought of retrieving them at a later date.

People don’t take pictures or videos to throw away.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2020, 11:24:AM
As long ago as the beginning of June 2010, I discovered a shallow grave in the rear garden of a derelict building (5 Pescadores de) situated across the street from the village church (St Vincent's) in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where I believe the remains of Madeliene McCann, or items of clothing worn by her, at the time she seemingly disappeared, are buried. I discovered this derelict building during a holiday I took with my wife. We stayed at the Ocean Club, in block 6, apartment 6A (which was effectively the first block on the opposite side of the road, next to where the McCanns stayed (block 5, apartment 5A) in May 2007). I understand that at the time when Madeliene went missing, or shortly afterwards, that the PJ used apartment 6A in block 6, (the same one allocated to us in June 2010) as a control centre, which to my mind deepened my curiosity and interest in the case. The internal layout of the McCann apartment (5A), block 5, was identical to that of our apartment (6A), block 6, other than theirs was ground floor, and ours was upper floor! Another difference, was that although we had a sliding patio door on the poolside of the building, there wasn't a set of concrete steps leading down to the road, with accompanying gates (at roadside, and at patio level). The McCanns also had a poolside garden, whereas we didn't. Lastly, the external lockable door on the car park side of the buildings in the McCanns apartment led directly onto to a footpath with a wall which served to separate the apartment block (5) and its roadside car park. In our case, upon leaving the lockable door on the car park side of block 6, you would have to walk along a landing to a stairway and descend these in order to get to ground floor level.

Everything else, including windows, window locks, external window shutters, internal doors, doors handles, doors and type of locking mechanism on either side of the apartment block doors, were identical
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2020, 12:02:PM

Everything else, including windows, window locks, external window shutters, internal doors, doors handles, doors and type of locking mechanism on either side of the apartment block doors, were identical

It didn't take me long to work out, that you could not exit through the sliding patio door on the poolside of the building, and then lock it from outside. This is because the mechanism for opening the sliding patio door is located inside the living room. As was / is the mechanism for raising and lowering the steel patio door. Once you exit the sliding patio door from the living room and venture out onto the patio, there is no way you can raise or lower the steel patio door shutter. Furthermore, you can't lock the sliding patio door once your out onto the patio, because the locking mechanism to enable you to lock the patio door is fitted on the living room side of the door!

Similarly, it is impossible to lower the steel patio door shutter fully down, and to leave the patio door unlocked because (a)  you can only lower or raise it by operating a pulley mechanism located on the living room side, of both the patio door, and the steel shutter!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2020, 12:08:PM

Similarly, it is impossible to lower the steel patio door shutter fully down, and to leave the patio door unlocked because (a)  you can only lower or raise it by operating a pulley mechanism located on the living room side, of both the patio door, and the steel shutter!

These explanations are problematic to the McCann parents who maintain that they left the sliding patio door unlocked, unless the metal patio door shutter was left raised up in the unlocked settings..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 01, 2020, 05:40:PM
These explanations are problematic to the McCann parents who maintain that they left the sliding patio door unlocked, unless the metal patio door shutter was left raised up in the unlocked settings..

When Mathew Oldfield went and did his two checks at the McCanns apartment at around 9.00pm, and 9.30pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, at one time or another, he gave conflicting accounts concerning the nature of the checks which he says he made. For example, at the time he did the 9pm check of the McCann apartment by claiming that he had gone to the outside of the children's bedroom window and listened with his ear pressed against the outside" glass, or the metal security shutter to see whether or not  there was any sounds coming from within the bedroom. After being satisfied that all was well within, Mathew Oldfield returned to the tapas bar and reported to the McCann parents that 'all was well'  back at their apartment (5A), because he had just checked there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 01, 2020, 09:27:PM
According to the Netflix documentary, the cadaver results are 100% false positive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2020, 08:32:AM
After being satisfied that all was well within, Mathew Oldfield returned to the tapas bar and reported to the McCann parents that 'all was well'  back at their apartment (5A), because he had just checked there...

Mathew's return to the tapas bar and him telling one or both McCann parents that 'all was well' back inside their apartment (5A) sparked off a remarkable sequence of events, involving, Gerald McCann (9.05pm), Jane Tanner and her sighting of (Tannerman) the suspect carrying a child in his arms travelling away from the apartment blocks 4 and 5, at a road junction between blocks 5 and 6 (9.10pm), Jez Wilkins(9.10pm), the overhearing of raised voices at tapas bar table between a man and a woman discussing the disapperence of a child from one of the Ocean club apartments (9.15pm), the return of Gerald McCann to the tapas bar claiming all his children were safe, sound, and sleeping in their cots and bed, at 5A (9.15 - 9.20pm), Russell O'brien (9.20 - 9.30pm), with Mathew Oldfield (9.20 - 9.30pm), on the pretense that they would do another check of the McCann parents apartment. Restaurant tables used by the so called tapas 7 and the McCann parents, said to have all been vacated and empty (9.30pm), The return of Mathew Oldfield to the tapas bar alone, and he informing everyone, that Russell O'brien was staying back at the apartment shared with Jane Tanner and child, because their child was unwell (9.30 - 9.40pm Restaurant tables used by the so called tapas 7 and the McCann parents, said to have all been vacated and empty (with the exception of an elderly member of the group who was looking after the possessions of other members of the group who had for one reason or another had left the tapas bar some 15 minutes earlier (9.45pm) and Kate McCann who claims to have discovered that Madeliene had been taken and was missing from her bed in apartment 5A. The childrens bedroom curtains blowing open, the window itself slid open, and the metal security window shutter of the same window, also raised(10.00pm), the abandonment of her other two little children, left at the mercy of any would be abductor(s) whilst she ran back to the restaurant to break the news that 'Madeliene is gone' and 'they have taken her', and rather than run out through the now open patio door onto the patio and bellow out, or scream to other members of the group at the tapas bar that Madeliene was missing from her bed and that 'They'  (whoever they were, or are) had been taken, etc, etc, and etc...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2020, 09:15:AM
'Mathew's return to the tapas bar and him telling one or both McCann parents that 'all was well' back inside their apartment (5A) sparked off a remarkable sequence of events -
 the abandonment of her other two little children, left at the mercy of any would be abductor(s) whilst she ran back to the restaurant to break the news that 'Madeliene is gone' and 'they have taken her',  rather than run out through the now open patio door onto the patio and bellow out, or scream to other members of the group at the tapas bar that Madeliene was missing from her bed and that 'They'  (whoever they were, or are) had been taken, etc, etc, and etc...

To my mind, too many people leaving the tapas bar and its restaurant within minutes or moments of a similar check made by others of their own, and the McCann apartment (5A), yet neither of the McCann parents ever checked the safety of other group members children in their own apartments (Mathew Oldfield /Russell O'brien)..




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2020, 11:24:AM
What are you going to say when the German authorities confirm they found photos/videos of Madeline post abduction on Christian Bruckners buried USB sticks?

I am led to believe that there are a number of separate recordings and still images, amongst the 8,000 individual files of sexual abuse, torture and dismembering of victims bodies, which were discovered buried underneath the chief suspects pet dog in a derelict factory in Germany, and reputed to belong to him. It has yet to be confirmed officially that the filmed atrocities were all filmed in Germany. However, the German authorities have been working very closely with the Portuguese and UK police, to try and identify the victims captured on the USB sticks. It is almost certain,  that the UK police have confirmed that one of the many little girls caught on footage, or in images on these USB sticks, appears to be Madeliene McCann (not yet formally identified by one or other, or both McCann parents). The Portuguese police have identified derelict building images where attacks, torture, dismembering of at least one victims body took place, and how parts of the bodies were disposed of in several different ways. Rumours abound in plenty amongst the universal consciousness ether, that also contained is some footage or still images of the chief suspect feeding his dog, with body parts of some of the victims. In particular regarding the case of Madeliene McCann, that parts of her body were dumped in what has been described as 'A WELL'  in Portugal close to a derelict building known to have been frequented by the suspect at around the time of Madeliene McCanns disappearence in May 2007...

The impression I have got,  is that the use of the term 'A WELL' refers to a vertical drain which gives direct access to the sea below the location of one, two or three such vertical drains, and with iron manhole covers visible to the naked eye, but somewhat inaccessible to ordinary members of the public.

I believe that I know the location of 'The WELLS', where the suspect disposed of body parts of Madeliene, and buried other evidence in a shallow grave nearby. I make no bones about it, the derelict building, and its grounds which I unfortunately discovered at Prai de Luz in June 2010, was where the suspect kept Madeleines body, for his own warped, and evil pleasure, and buried evidence pertaining to this matter in the shallow grave in a hollow at the back corner of the derelict buildings rear garden. If you stood in that hollow and looked back in the direction of the derelict building that I am speaking about, the clock tower of the village church ( St Vincent's)  can clearly be seen. If you turn yourself around 180°, you are looking toward a stone wall which is the boundary of the derelict buildings rear garden. Beyond that stone wall, a is a sharp drop towards rocks and the sea. However, there is a ledge of concrete construction which runs sort of horizontally from the public viewpoint below the historical forte buildings, and the rear garden, drinks / food terrace of the Red Bull public house - the concrete ledge is just wide enough for a person to walk along from one end to the other. There are three vertical drains situated along that concrete ledge, and one such manhole cover is directly alongside the derelict building, or in other words, you could get to it over the rear gardens stone boundary wall at the back of the derelict building...

In June 2010, I walked and shuffled cautiously along this concrete ledge to the individual locations of the iron circular covers of the three vertical drains.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2020, 11:43:AM


In June 2010, I walked and shuffled cautiously along this concrete ledge to the individual locations of the iron circular covers of the three vertical drains.
I had my digital camera with me as I went all the way across this concrete ledge, and I took photographs at what I considered to be interesting points. Rather astonishingly, I discovered a gentlemans wrist watch on the surface of the ledge close to one of the three vertical drains I was interested in. It turned out to be the vertical drain on the other side of the derelict buildings rear garden boundary wall, where the shallow grave is located. I took photographs which were amongst those I later sent to the PJ in 2010...

I believe that I still have this particular gentleman's wrist watch somewhere amongst my collections..

The PJ have got all the photographs I took during the entire period we were on holiday, and including experiments carried out by me in apartment 6A (block 6)...

It is very interesting that the PJ in 2011, reopened their investigation into the case of Madeliene McCann, and that by that stage Christian B was a person of interest, but for one reason or another, they decided he was unconnected with the disapperence  of Madeliene McCann..

I would like to believe,. that as a result of me contacting the PJ in June 2010, and drawing their attention to the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building close to the village church in Praia de Luz, and the sea beyond the derelict buildings rear garden wall, that I helped the PJ to identify Christian B who had been using that particular derelict building during his stay in Portugal, and until May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 02, 2020, 12:08:PM

I would like to believe,. that as a result of me contacting the PJ in June 2010, and drawing their attention to the shallow grave in the rear garden of the derelict building close to the village church in Praia de Luz, and the sea beyond the derelict buildings rear garden wall, that I helped the PJ to identify Christian B who had been using that particular derelict building during his stay in Portugal, and until May 2007...

I believe that when the PJ were treating Christian B as a person of interest in 2011, that they were in contact with their German counterparts, and that this led the German authorities paying particular attention to him, from then onwards
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 03, 2020, 10:23:AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RITTaVm.jpg)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2020, 05:21:AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RITTaVm.jpg)

Latest position is that the German police have received a dozen or more tip offs regarding the so far mysterious telephone no. (  ) which was in phone contact with Christian B between 7.32pm - 8.02pm whilst his phone was in the immediate vicinity of the McCann apartment, on the evening of 3rd May 2007..

One of the tip offs,  recieved by the German police, is (according to the latest developments)  considered to be highly significant, and promising...

It is understood that the German authorities have now got additional phone record evidence / information, which concerning all calls, which were made from, or to the number in question, before, inclusive of the of 3rd May 2007, and post that key date...

The mobile no., being looked into, is believed to link the suspects mobile phone, to other 'persons of interest, in particular, to a relative, to the or a friend of an Ocean Club member of staff, named'  Diago Silva'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 04, 2020, 11:09:AM

The mobile no., being looked into, is believed to link the suspects mobile phone, to other 'persons of interest, in particular, to a relative or a friend of an Ocean Club member of staff, named'  Diago Silva'

Oh Yeah..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2020, 07:33:PM
As confirmed by me (in June 2010), Madeliene McCann is dead!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2020, 07:44:PM
Madeliene McCann - is dead,  past away, and deceased (Mike Tesko' June 2010), her body ended up in a derelict building close to the village church in Praia De Luz ( parents were engaged in negotiations with abductor(s) from as early as morning of 2nd May 2002)...

Parents are fully responsible for any failings directed towards the Portuguese authorities handling of the investigation into the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Madeliene McCann,  yet gave no help whatsoever to the Portuguese authorities so that they (pJ) could investigate the matter to a satisfactory conclusion..
..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 05, 2020, 10:18:PM

Parents are fully responsible for any failings directed towards the Portuguese authorities handling of the investigation into the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Madeliene McCann,  yet gave no help whatsoever to the Portuguese authorities so that they (pJ) could investigate the matter to a satisfactory conclusion..
..

Parents failed to co-operate with Portuguese authorities because of the circumstances surrounding them bringing their daughter to Praia De Luz, and how things went wrong!

(1) - https://youtu.be/YUcVncYr6xc

(2) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1291731/kate-mccann-madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-holiday-portugal-praia-da-luz-algarve-spt

The parents went to Portugal knowing that Madeliene was destined to partake in a symbolic ceremony linked to paedophile and satanic worship...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2020, 11:02:AM
Parents failed to co-operate with Portuguese authorities because of the circumstances surrounding them bringing their daughter to Praia De Luz, and how things went wrong!

(1) - https://youtu.be/YUcVncYr6xc

(2) - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1291731/kate-mccann-madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-holiday-portugal-praia-da-luz-algarve-spt

The parents went to Portugal knowing that Madeliene was destined to partake in a symbolic ceremony linked to paedophile and satanic worship...

The trip was organised by David Payne...

He, almost certainly was involved in 'the cover up' surrounding Madeliene McCanns, demise..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2020, 11:17:AM
The Payne family were the only contingent amongst the tapas 9 group who had listening devices so that they could overhear what was happening back in their apartment whilst they were out wining, and dining at the Ocean Club tapas bar restaurant...

It is suspected, that David Payne may have inadvertently installed a listening device inside the McCann family apartment (5A), and that throughout the holiday he was able to monitor noise and voices in the McCann apartment via his Mobile phone...

It is believed to be of some significance, that on the evening of 3rd May 2007, that the Payne contingent were last to attend at the tapas bar restaurant and that they did not partake in introducing stories about who was going back and forth between apartment 5A on the faked claim that Madeliene was initially and officially reported to be missing, at 10.00pm on 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 06, 2020, 11:25:AM
The Payne family were the only contingent amongst the tapas 9 group who had listening devices so that they could overhear what was happening back in their apartment whilst they were out wining, and dining at the Ocean Club tapas bar restaurant...

It is suspected, that David Payne may have inadvertently installed a listening device inside the McCann family apartment (5A), and that throughout the holiday he was able to monitor noise and voices in the McCann apartment via his Mobile phone...

It is believed to be of some significance, that on the evening of 3rd May 2007, that the Payne contingent were last to attend at the tapas bar restaurant and that they did not partake in introducing stories about who was going back and forth between apartment 5A on the faked claim that Madeliene was initially and officially reported to be missing, at 10.00pm on 3rd May 2007..

It remains a possibility the the listening device which the Payne contingent claim they were using back in their own apartment, was in fact installed inside the McCann apartment (5A), and that David Payne had control of the access to that device!

If Madeliene did go missing from the McCann apartment (5A) on the evening of 3rd May 2007, or on any earlier occasion, David Payne used the listening device to monitor what took place...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 11, 2020, 09:39:AM
Trying to tie CB to wells.  Wells have been mentioned for years, in respect of this case.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/10/police-launch-search-madeleine-mccanns-body-algarve-12974779/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 11, 2020, 09:42:AM
Trying to tie CB to wells.  Wells have been mentioned for years, in respect of this case.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/10/police-launch-search-madeleine-mccanns-body-algarve-12974779/
You'd have thought if the German authorities had convincing evidence they would bring him to trial.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 13, 2020, 10:41:PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RITTaVm.jpg)

So we have the British clearly not interested in anything that could potentially expose the McCann's - for all we know, following the CB line to its conclusion could lead back to the McCann's in some way or form.   And the defiant Portuguese acting on their own authority, in their own country, without liaising with the Germans.  Perhaps the Portuguese would like to forensically test anything they find, in relation to the McCann's or some other agent in this murky business.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-failed-tell-22350130

"It get's even more ludicrous, that we've obviously hidden her somewhere incredibly well, where nobody's found her".  Kate McCann - Could be a slip of the tongue.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 04:10:AM
In my view, everything points to something serious happening to Madeleine McCann before midnight (1st / 2nd May 2007), and that the McCann parents were absent and about '6 minutes walk time away' (Chaplins bar /evening of 1st May 2007) from their three siblings, back inside apartment 5A of the Ocean club with its sliding patio door (unlocked), and its steel shutter raised up!

Whatever happened to Madeliene  took place or occurred as a result of the parents simply being too far away (Chaplins bar) - not that it could have happened sometime between Gerald McCanns 9. 05pm check of apartment 5A, and 10pm, when Kate McCann went to do her check of the same apartment only to discover Madeliene was missing and presumed to have been abducted at some point in between, whilst the parents were dining at the tapas bar 71 metres away, and who had taken measures to do checks on the safety of their children during the evening, (9pm) - Mathew Oldfield, (9.05pm) - Gerald McCann, (9.30pm) - Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien, until (10.00pm) - when Kate McCann did her only check of the family apartment on that particular evening...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 04:26:AM
Whatever happened to Madeliene  took place or occurred as a result of the parents simply being too far away (Chaplins bar) - not that it could have happened sometime between Gerald McCanns 9
05pm check of apartment 5A, and 10pm, when Kate McCann went to do her check of the same apartment only to discover Madeliene was missing and presumed to have been abducted at some point in between, whilst the parents were dining at the tapas bar 71 metres away, and who had taken measures to do checks on the safety of their children during the evening, (9pm) Mathew Oldfield, (9.05pm) Gerald McCann, (9.30pm) Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien, until (10.00pm), when Kate McCann did her only check of the family apartment (since, edited and some spelling corrections see associated hosts post)..

Sandwiched inbetween all of these checks of apartment 5A (evening of 3rd May, 2007), exist a few rather startling red flag coincidences...

Let's take a closer look at key members of the group (tapas 9), and what we have been told about them, and their accounts on that particular evening..

Evening meal at the tapas restaurant was booked to take place at 9pm, each evening..

According to Mathew Oldfield, at 9pm he went to try and encourage the David Payne contingent to hurry along because they were late at the dining table! Now, I am not going to repeat all the now known information provided to the Portuguese authorities, by all and sundry. Instead, for the purpose of clarity I am choosing to rely upon something which these participant's have / did say at one time or another...

For example, red flag (1) - at the time of Mathew Oldfields 9.00pm check of the McCann apartment (5A), David Payne and the rest of his contingent had not yet arrived at the Ocean Club tapas bar restaurant. According to one version of this particular matter, has it that Mathew Oldfield left the dining table at that time, to go and try to hurry the Paynes up, and that no sooner had he exited the mini reception entrance,  and was walking uphill in the general direction of apartment block 5, he saw the Paynes come strolling towards the mini Ocean Club reception area..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 05:23:AM
Marhew Oldfield left the dining table at that time, to go and try to hurry the Paynes up, and that no sooner had he exited the mini reception entrance,  and was walking uphill in the general direction of apartment block 5, he saw the Paynes come strolling towards the mini Ocean Club reception area..

Red flag (2) - David Payne and his contingent have no recollection of seeing, or crossing paths with Mathew Oldfield at any stage along their journey towards the tapas bar restuarant from the vicinity of apartment block 5. The significance of this is that it appears to be a common thread in the Jayne Tanner / Gerald McCann evidence, when at about 9.10pm, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, Jayne Tanner had purposely left the restaurant to go and to see why Gerald McCann was being delayed! Although in one of her accounts, she has stated that as she exited the mini reception entrance and had turned sharply left toward apartment block 5, she saw Gerald McCan talking to Jez Wilkins on the same side of the road as her. Wilkins had a pushchair with him! Yet, neither Gerald McCann or Jez Wilkins have any recollection of seeing Jayne Tanner in the street on that occasion! Moreover, according to McCann and wilkins  they had met and were talking to eachother on the pavement on the opposite side of the street ..

How could Jayne Tanner, and the information provided by Gerald McCann (Wilkins) concerning on which side of the street they were chatting to one another, and they all crossed paths?

If the McCann / Wilkins information was / is correct, and Jayne Tanner passed both of them on the same side of the street, what was she doing walking uphill on the right hand side of the street, since the mini Ocean Club entrance she had just exited was on the left hand side of the street, along also with all the apartments of block 5..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 05:55:AM
Red flag (2) - David Payne and his contingent have no recollection of seeing, or crossing paths with Mathew Oldfield at any stage along their journey towards the tapas bar restuarant from the vicinity of apartment block 5. The significance of this is that it appears to be a common thread in the Jayne Tanner / Gerald McCann evidence, when at about 9.10pm, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, Jayne Tanner had purposely left the restaurant to go and to see why Gerald McCann was being delayed! Although in one of her accounts, she has stated that as she exited the mini reception entrance and had turned sharply left toward apartment block 5, she saw Gerald McCan talking to Jez Wilkins on the same side of the road as her. Wilkins had a pushchair with him! Yet, neither Gerald McCann or Jez Wilkins have any recollection of seeing Jayne Tanner in the street on that occasion! Moreover, according to McCann and wilkins  they had met and were talking to eachother on the pavement on the opposite side of the street ..

How could Jayne Tanner, and the information provided by Gerald McCann (Wilkins) concerning on which side of the street they were chatting to one another, and that all partied had crossed paths?

If the McCann / Wilkins information was / is correct, and Jayne Tanner passed both of them on the same side of the street, what was she doing walking uphill on the right hand side of the street, since the mini Ocean Club entrance she had just exited was on the left hand side of the street, along also with all the apartments of block 5..

Red flag (3) - According to Jayne Tanner, McCann / Wilkins were stood on the left hand side of the street in between a footpath on the poolside of apartment block 5, and the gate belonging to apartment 5A..

I have visited the streets and footpaths in and around the crime scene. I can say with a degree of confidence that if Jayne Tanner  had walked up (either side - left, or right of) the street in the direction of apartments in block 5, and she had passed McCann and Wilkins, it would be impossible for parties concerned to fail to take note of the presence of others passing them on a footpath on whichever side of the street!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 08:40:AM
 Red flag (4) - At 9.00pm Mathew Oldfield entered the McCann apartment via the patio door on the poolside of the building, he saw the twins in their cots, but Madeliene was missing!  He looked in the parents bedroom, and everywhere else in the apartment but he  could not find her. So he returned to the tapas bar to alert Gerald McCann of the situation!  This had the effect of upsetting McCann who stormed out of the tapas bar (9.05pm) and headed straight for apartment 5A.

By that stage (9.00pm - 9.05pm), Madeliene McCann was missing from the apartment 5A,  based on one of Mathew Oldfields account. Possibly of some relevance, sandwiched in between 9.00pm - 9.05pm was the alleged  late arrival of David Payne for his evening meal, at a time when everyone was under an impression that the three McCann siblings were safe and sleeping inside 5A..

If the version given by Mathew Oldfield, ( Madeliene McCann was absent and missing at the time of his first check), it rather begs consideration that the late arrival of David Payne to the tapas bar for evening meal may or could be linked to the disappearance..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 08:59:AM
Red flag (5) - However, according to the version of Gerald McCann, Madeliene was quietly sleeping in her bed when he entered the apartment (9.05pm check). McCann went on to explain the reasons for any apparent delay before his alleged return back to the tapas bar restaurant at around 9.20pm. For example, he had used the bathroom, and he got caught up chatting with Jez Wilkins in the street..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 09:02:AM
... and he got caught up chatting with Jez Wilkins in the street..

Consideration of Red flag (3) circumstances overlap here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 09:56:AM
 Red flag (6) -  At around 9.15pm, an Ocean Club Supervisor overheard a couple making a commotion at one of the tapas bar tables. He had just come on duty 5 minutes beforehand (9.10pm). He went to investigate what all the fuss was about, only to discover that the couple in question were talking about a 3 year old child who had gone missing from an Ocean Club guests apartment.  Here is information which possibly confirms Mathew Oldfields version of events  Red flag (4) surrounding his 9.00pm check of the McCann apartment, when he discovered Madeliene to be missing from apartment 5A, and the fact that he went back to the tapas bar and told Gerald McCann that fact which in turn had infuriated McCann, and leaving Oldfield under an impression that McCann was being angry and nasty towards him!  By this stage in the proceedings, it was 9.05pm - some 5 minutes before (a) Jane Tanner left the tapas restaurant (9.10pm), and (b)  until the arrival of the Ocean Club tapas bar / restaurant supervisor who had parked his vehicle in the road outside the mini reception entrance...

According to Gerald McCanns own version of events at this time (9.15pm), he was not present in the tapas bar, when the supervisor overheard a couple making a commotion about a 3 year old toddler  Red flag (6) who had been abducted from the apartment of an Ocean Club guest..

Red flag (7) - Since, by that stage (9.15pm) a couple were making a song and a dance, about a 3 year old toddler having been abducted from one of the apartments  Red flag (6) whilst McCann  Red flag (5) was either still inside apartment 5A, or Red flag (3) outside in the street chatting to Jez Wilkins, and safe in the knowledge that Madeliene was sleeping soundly in her bed inside apartment 5A.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 10:45:AM
Red flag (8) -  neither Jane Tanner, nor Gerald McCann, were present at the tapas bar restaurant at 9.15pm, to witness the couple who were making a commotion about a 3 year old toddler having been abducted. Therefore, they could not have both been either of them, nor one or other of the couple at the table in question  Red flag (6)  
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 10:53:AM
So, what is / was the identity of the mystery couple who were making a song and a dance Red flag (6)  by 9.15pm at one of the tapas bar tables, concerning the abduction of a three year old toddler from a nearby apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 11:14:AM
So, what is / was the identity of the mystery couple who were making a song and a dance Red flag (6)  by 9.15pm at one of the tapas bar tables, concerning the abduction of a three year old toddler from a nearby apartment?

The supervisor must surely have been able to identify the couple in question, but there is no disclosure about this in the PJ files. However, I have narrowed this down to one of two male members of the tapas 9 group, and one female member - either (a)  Mathew Oldfield or (b)  Russell O'Brien,  with (c) Kate McCann. Whoever this couple are, the identifying them formally, and the taking witness statements, or interviewing them under caution will almost certainly throw the case wide open...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 11:31:AM
Red flag (9) - of some significance was the presence of the Carpenter couple, who dined at the tapas bar restaurant on the evening of 3rd May 2007. Since they had booked an evening meal there in the same restaurant as the McCann contingent, and according to Stephen Carpenters version of events he and his Mrs left the tapas bar somewhere between 9.20pm and 9.30pm to return to their holiday apartment not to far away from mother (Lady) Murats villa...

Rather somewhat mysteriously, the only evidence taken by the Portuguese, and the Leicestershire police, which has (thus far) been disclosed, is a witness statement or record of a tape recorded series of questions and answers from Stephen Carpenter!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 12:05:PM
Red flag (9) - of some significance was the presence of the Carpenter couple, who dined at the tapas bar restaurant on the evening of 3rd May 2007. Since they had booked an evening meal there in the same restaurant as the McCann contingent, and according to Stephen Carpenters version of events he and his Mrs left the tapas bar somewhere between 9.20pm and 9.30pm to return to their holiday apartment not to far away from mother (Lady) Murats villa...

Rather somewhat mysteriously, the only evidence taken by the Portuguese, and the Leicestershire police, which has (thus far) been disclosed, is a witness statement or record of a tape recorded series of questions and answers from Stephen Carpenter!

All will be revealed in due course!

Red flag (10)  - The Carpenter couple and child / children, made their way from the tapas bar restaurant and walked to the mini entrance of the Ocean Club, and then from there, they carefully crossed the roadway to the other side of the road, and they all got back safely to their holiday apartment, all went to bed and slept soundly until breakfast time in the morning, which led onto them learning about the disappearance of one of the McCanns children. Upon hearing the news mrs Carpenter told her husband Stephen  that as they were leaving the mini reception entrance on the previous evening, and they were crossing the street she heard a voice call out the name  Madeleine  Madeleine  and Madeleine, as though looking for a lost child..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 02:46:PM
mrs Carpenter told her husband Stephen  that as they were leaving the mini reception entrance on the previous evening, and they were crossing the street she heard a voice call out the name  Madeleine  Madeleine  and Madeleine, as though looking for a lost child..

Was the voice that Mrs Carpenter heard calling out a male or a female voice? If so whose?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2020, 03:02:PM
Was the voice that Mrs Carpenter heard calling out a male or a female voice? If so whose?

Well, it seems like somebody knew that Madeleine was missing from apartment 5A, which makes Gerald McCanns claim that Madeleine was fast asleep in her bed when he left the apartment and returned to the tapas bar restuarant at 9.20pm untrue. How can she have been sleeping peacefully in her bed at 9.05pm  yet be missing from apartment 5A minutes beforehand by Mathew Oldfield (9.00pm) and being talked about by a couple sat at a table at the tapas bar (9.15pm), not be missing when Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien did their 9.20pm - 9.30pm check at the same apartment (5A)?

If McCann had returned to the restuarant before the Carpenter couple had decided to go back to their apartment when they did  then obviously he wouldn't have been calling out her name repeatedly at that stage. On the other hand, if he did not return  to the restuarant it becomes possible that  when he went at 9.05pm back to the apartment that he confirmed that which Mathew Oldfield had said..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2020, 06:21:AM
Red flag (11) - According to a member of the tapas bar restuarant, at 9.30pm nobody at all was sat at the dining tables the McCann group had been sitting / dining at...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2020, 06:30:AM
Red flag (12) - Similarly, at 9.45pm another member of the tapas bar restuarant staff, said that there was only a middle aged woman (Diane Webster) sat at the same dining room tables. When he spoke to her, she told him that she was minding the personal items belonging to the other members of the party, who had all gone back to their apartments..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2020, 06:43:AM
Red flag (13) -  Only Mathew Oldfield returned to the tapas bar restuarant after doing his 9.20pm /9.30pm check at the McCann apartment (5A). He told all the others that Russell O'Brien  was staying behind at the apartment he shared with Jane Tanner because a child of theirs was unwell. This cannot have been true  Red flag (11) because according to a member of staff, the dining room tables had all been vacated by everyone at and by 9.30pm



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2020, 07:01:AM
Red flag (14) -  At 10.00pm, Kate McCann  left the dining table to go and check her children back at the family apartment, and was the first person to discover, that Madeleine  was missing from her bed, and their apartment . refer to Red flags (4), (6), (7), (10), (11), (12) and (13) She returned to the tapas bar restuarant  to tell all of the others, that 'they have taken her', 'they have taken her' , 'Madeleine  is gone' , which caused everyone to leave their dining tables and dash back to the McCann apartment  (5A), but this account can't possibly be true, because from 9.30pm onwards there had been no-one at all sat at their dining tables (9.30pm - 9.44pm), and only Diane Webster sat there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2020, 07:21:AM
Red flag (14) - the sighting of a man carrying a child in his arms, close to the villages 'LUZDOC' medical store by the Smith contingent, whom one of them was 99.9% sure that the man seen had been Gerald McCann, walking from the general direction of the Ocean Club, heading in the general direction of Kelly's Bar, the Red Bull, beach, and the derelict building located across the street from the village church..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2020, 06:56:AM
Red flag (14) - the sighting of a man carrying a child in his arms, close to the villages 'LUZDOC' medical store by the Smith contingent, whom one of them was 99.9% sure that the man seen had been Gerald McCann, walking from the general direction of the Ocean Club, heading in the general direction of Kelly's Bar, the Red Bull, beach, and the derelict building located across the street from the village church..

But, according to Gerald McCann at 10 pm,  Red flag (15) - he was still seated in the tapas bar restaurant with other members of the group and remained there until Kate McCann returned from her 10 pm check of apartment 5A raising the alarm that 'Madeliene was gone' , and 'they have taken her'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 05:52:AM
I believe that until the police in Portugal,  UK and Germany, recognise that Madeliene McCanns demise and her disappearence from apartment 5A, as alerted to by Kate McCann, at 10pm on 3rd May 2007, is not the truth in this matter! Whatever took place, occurred two evenings prior on 1st May 2007, linked to the perverted mindset of Satanic , freemasonry, knights templar, and illuminati influence..

A nod of the head, a funny handshake, handkerchiefs at the knee, and human sacrifice lies at the heart of this case!

It is almost certain, that the German authorities, have possession of some evidence  information which leads them to the conclusion, that Madeliene McCann died, or was 'taken' from the McCanns apartment two evenings before it was officially acknowledged  by 10pm (3rd May 2007)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 07:56:AM
I believe that until the police in Portugal,  UK and Germany, recognise that Madeliene McCanns demise and her disappearence from apartment 5A, as alerted to by Kate McCann, at 10pm on 3rd May 2007, is not the truth in this matter! Whatever took place, occurred two evenings prior on 1st May 2007, linked to the perverted mindset of Satanic , freemasonry, knights templar, and illuminati influence..

A nod of the head, a funny handshake, handkerchiefs at the knee, and human sacrifice lies at the heart of this case!

It is almost certain, that the German authorities, have possession of some evidence  information which leads them to the conclusion, that Madeliene McCann died, or was 'taken' from the McCanns apartment two evenings before it was officially acknowledged  by 10pm (3rd May 2007)...

(Red flag - (16)

  Satanic Ritual Agenda:-

April 30th 2007 - 1st May 2007 (Onwards)

  'Human Sacrifices'

And (rather more 'Significantly') ...

 'Any Age'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 08:22:AM
(Red flag - (16)

  Satanic Ritual Agenda:-

April 30th 2007 - 1st May 2007 (Onwards)

  'Human Sacrifices'

And (rather more 'Significantly') ...

 'Any Age'

'Walpurgisnacht'

or

'Roodmas Day'..

 and

 'Human Sacrifice'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 09:32:AM
  [/quote]
 
'Walpurgisnacht'

or

'Roodmas Day'..

 and

 'Human Sacrifice'


'MAY DAY' - 1st May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 09:49:AM

'Walpurgisnacht'

German terminology, new suspect - Christian B (from Germany), German police / prosecutor (pay back time against elite officialdom in child abduction/ human sacrifice practices by some countries, those which in this instance, involved Portuguese , UK and other European diplomatic Satanists)  and (potentially, the latest suspect who knew their secret agenda, and used this knowledge to kidnap, abduct, torture and mutilate his child victims, knowing that if he was ever prosecuted, he could, would and will, open up a can of worms which the so called 'eletists' could never wriggle out of)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 09:59:AM

'Walpurgisnacht'

German terminology, new suspect - Christian B (from Germany), German police / prosecutor (pay back time against elite officialdom in child abduction/ human sacrifice practices by some countries, those which in this instance, involved Portuguese , UK and other European diplomatic Satanists)  and (potentially, the latest suspect who knew their secret agenda, and used this knowledge to kidnap, abduct, torture and mutilate his child victims, knowing that if he was ever prosecuted, he could, would and will, open up a can of worms which the so called 'eletists' could never wriggle out of)...

What the world has witnessed here, is exposure of the wickedness of officials involved in the practice  of sex abuse, murder and abnormal behaviour / orchestrated by European member states and some ...

and

 'rogue paedophile mobsters', who know the secret abhorrent practices of some of those seated in a position of power!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 10:10:AM
The UK and its 'Brexit' policy decision, was welcomed and embraced by the UK elite, as a means of 'distancing themselves' from the trade in child abduction, child trafficking, child murders, and or, 'child sacrifice practice', linked to Satanic, witchcraft, demonic and the Church cultures...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 21, 2020, 11:34:AM
I believe that until the police in Portugal,  UK and Germany, recognise that Madeliene McCanns demise and her disappearence from apartment 5A, as alerted to by Kate McCann, at 10pm on 3rd May 2007, is not the truth in this matter! Whatever took place, occurred two evenings prior on 1st May 2007, linked to the perverted mindset of Satanic , freemasonry, knights templar, and illuminati influence..

A nod of the head, a funny handshake, handkerchiefs at the knee, and human sacrifice lies at the heart of this case!

It is almost certain, that the German authorities, have possession of some evidence  information which leads them to the conclusion, that Madeliene McCann died, or was 'taken' from the McCanns apartment two evenings before it was officially acknowledged  by 10pm (3rd May 2007)...

lol
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 21, 2020, 12:26:PM
The British state were running operations against the Real IRA, in the Algarve, contemporaneous with the McCann's visit. Paedophilia is the chosen method of entrapment used by the security services, to control or turn assets.  When you look at the involvement of the British state in the support of the parents, it is very prominent. Clarence Mitchell was a high level spin doctor and he is not the only person involved in this support. CB may know more than he is letting on, but who's to say he wasn't just a low level lowlife running errands at the behest of bigger fish, involved in these sordid state machinations?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 12:42:PM
The UK and its 'Brexit' policy decision, was welcomed and embraced by the UK elite, as a means of 'distancing themselves' from the trade in child abduction, child trafficking, child murders, and or, 'child sacrifice practice', linked to Satanic, witchcraft, demonic and the Church cultures...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 01:09:PM
lol

Madeliene McCanns parents know that she is dead!

They know that  'no-one' will ever be able to prove that she died inside apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007. She was already gone before the parents returned back from their visit to 'Chaplins Bar' after midnight on the evening of 1st May...

Mrs Fenns account regarding the crying of a toddler in the apartment (5A) below her own on that occasion is true! In addition, the sliding open/closure of the patio door which she recounted at around 11.45pm, and that caused the incessant crying to cease, and only to be replaced by the same toddler calling out, 'Daddy, daddy, and daddy'...

Not yet determined, but highly significant, was the date when the McCann parents first decided to stop using the lockable carpark/roadside door of their apartment (5A), and they started to leave the patio door on the poolside of the apartment , with its metal shutter raised up?

It was the evening of 2nd May 2007, when the parents adopted this change!




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 01:22:PM
Madeliene McCanns parents know that she is dead!

They know that  'no-one' will ever be able to prove that she died inside apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007. She was already gone before the parents returned back from their visit to 'Chaplins Bar' after midnight on the evening of 1st May...

Mrs Fenns account regarding the crying of a toddler in the apartment (5A) below her own on that occasion is true! In addition, the sliding open/closure of the patio door which she recounted at around 11.45pm, and that caused the incessant crying to cease, and only to be replaced by the same toddler calling out, 'Daddy, daddy, and daddy'...

It was the evening of 2nd May 2007, when the parents adopted this change!

Red flag -  (16) - the McCann parents, and friends who did visit Chaplins Bar on the evening of 1st May 2007, after having their regular evening meal at the tapas bar restaurant (9.00pm - 10.00pm) were too far away from their respective apartments of the Ocean Club, to do anything to safeguard or to protect any child in any of their apartments up the hill in block five...

Not even the Payne family who had a baby listening device, but which wouldn't be workable if they themselves were in tow at Chaplins bar on that occasion!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 01:48:PM
But, according to Gerald McCann at 10 pm,  Red flag (15) - he was still seated in the tapas bar restaurant with other members of the group and remained there until Kate McCann returned from her 10 pm check of apartment 5A raising the alarm that 'Madeliene was gone' , and 'they have taken her'...

Red flag (17) -  accord to Mr McCanns (and other conspirators)  versions of the events, and it was 9.20pm, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, when he returned back to the restaurant from his epic 9.05pm check of 5A..

That's a 15 minute period (9.05pm - 9.20pm)..

Red flag (18) - Jane Tanners 9.10pm departure from the restaurant at 9.10pm, does not include the timing of her return back to the tapas bar restaurant, and with regard to that visit!  So, how long was she away from the restaurant on that occasion?

Well,  based on basic walking speed statistics, and it would have taken just under a minute, for her to reach her own apartment and back again (2 minutes allowed for a quick spot check of the apartment and safety of their child) , and so within 4 to five minutes (tops) Jane Tanner has left and returned to the restaurant, and she is back there by 9.15pm, (her child is not unwell, and to all intents and purposes, Russell O'Brien' has at all times remained seated at the dining table)... ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 01:53:PM

Red flag (17) -  accord to Mr McCanns (and other conspirators) 

Well,  based on basic walking speed statistics, it would have taken just under a minute, for her to reach her own apartment and back again (2 minutes allowed for a quick spot check of the apartment and safety of their child) , and so within 4 to five minutes (tops) Jane Tanner has left and returned to the restaurant, and she is back there by 9.15pm, (her child is not unwell, and to all intents and purposes, Russell O'Brien' has at all times remained seated at the dining table)... ...

 Red flag (19) - So if Jane Tanner saw Gerald McCann talking to Jez Wilkins on her outward journey to her apartment at 9.10pm, why didn't she see him there still talking to Wilkins on her return leg of that visit at around 9.15pm?

What was McCann doing when Jane Tanner allegedly returned to the restaurant (if she did at all) at 9.15pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 02:14:PM

What was McCann doing when Jane Tanner allegedly returned to the restaurant (if she did at all) at 9.15pm?

Red flag (20) -  Gerald McCanns whereabouts during that 10 minute period (9.10pm - 9.20pm),  in between Jane Tanners outward journey to look for him, and to check her apartment, and then allegedly return to the tapas bar restaurant?

Rather more disturbingly, did Gerald McCann, or Jane Tanner ever return to the restaurant at all on the evening of 3rd May 2007?


If, Mr McCann had returned to the tapas bar from his 9.05pm departure, by 9.20pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 02:19:PM
Red flag (20) -  Gerald McCanns whereabouts during that 10 minute period (9.10pm - 9.20pm),  in between Jane Tanners outward journey to look for him, and to check her apartment, and then allegedly return to the tapas bar restaurant?

Rather more disturbingly, did Gerald McCann, or Jane Tanner, ever return to the restaurant at all on the evening of 3rd May 2007?

If, Mr McCann had returned to the tapas bar from his 9.05pm departure, by 9.20pm?

Red flag (21) -  the timing of Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien, volunteering to save Kate McCann a wasted journey to check 5A, at 9.20pm or 9.30pm?

Hang on a moment,  or indeed as many 10 minutes (overlap misinformation) - so no sooner does Mr McCann return to the tapas bar restaurant at or by 9.20pm, (please bear in mind the alleged time that Oldfield / O'Brien account to do Kate McCanns check at 9.20pm/9.30pm, makes no sense at all)...

Gerald McCann, had to all intents and purposes, used a covert code of contact, to to try and hide his culpability..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 09:03:PM
OVERVIEW  (9.00pm - (9.30pm) - 10.00pm)

Mathew Oldfield  (9.00pm)
Discovered Madeliene was missing from the  McCann Apartment, and and informs Gerald McCann upon returning to tapas bar restaurant..

Gerald McCann   (9.05pm) It is believed that he did not return to restuarant
Leaves tapas bar restaurant and returns to apartment 5A, as a result of Mathew Oldfield information about Madeliene missing from the McCann apartment..

Jane Tanner  (9.10pm) It is believed that she did not return to restuarant
Leaves tapas bar restaurant to find out why Gerald McCann was taking his time back in apartment 5A, and to check on her own child in the apartment she shared with Russell O'Brien..
sighting of man carrying child in his arms introduced by Jane Tanner creation of alibi for Gerald McCann[/color]

Couple at dining table   (9.15pm)
Heated discussion about a 3 year old toddler having gone missing from an Ocean Club apartment..

Carpenter couple  (9.20pm - 9.30pm)
When leaving small reception entrance of Ocean Club and crossing over road near McCann apartment Mrs Carpenter heard a voice calling out, 'Madeliene, Madeliene, Madeliene'

Kate M Cann (9.20pm - 9.30pm)
Prevented from going to apartment to 5A, by interference of Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien..

Mathew Oldfield / Russell O'Brien (9.20pm - 9.30pm)
Leave tapas restaurant to check McCann apartment as well as their own

Dining tables vacated (9.30pm)
None of the tapas 9  members around dining tables again that evening except for Diane Webster who arrived back there 15 minutes later to mind items of property boning to other group members.

Dining tables still vacant, except for Diane Webster  (9.45pm)
Other group members, had already returned to apartment block 5, checking safety of their own children in the wake of Madeliene McCanns loss..

  Kate McCann alerts regarding Madeliene McCanns fate missing from apartment 5A (10.00pm)

Bogus script introduced by members of the group

Smith contingent sighting of man carrying a child in street nearby 'LUZDOC'   (10.00pm)

   Witness was 99.9% certain man seen was Gerald McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 21, 2020, 10:21:PM
It's interesting that the CB angle is being pushed by The Mail, The Sun, The Star, and The Express. Push push push.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 21, 2020, 10:49:PM
It's interesting that the CB angle is being pushed by The Mail, The Sun, The Star, and The Express. Push push push.

Not yet divulged by police in Germany, Portugal and the UK,  is who did Christian B purchase the huge camper van from in Portugal,  and how he paid for it (cash or cheque)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2020, 06:43:AM
Gerald McCann was alibi'd on each occasion a suspect was seen carrying a toddler in his arms

(1) -  sighting of man carrying child in his arms introduced by Jane Tanner creation of alibi for Gerald McCann (9.10pm) on the evening of 3rd May 2007..

(2) - Smith contingent sighting of man carrying a child in street nearby 'LUZDOC'   (10.00pm)

He was with Jez Wilkins when Jane Tanner saw them in the street  by apartment 5A  in clear view of Jez Wilkins  and Jane Tanner  although neither Gerald McCann  or Jez Wilkins saw her at all. They did not see the man that Jane Tanner saw walking across the junction carrying a child in his arms. So, in a nutshell, if that man was the abductor carrying Madeliene McCann  off, it would appear that Gerald McCann had nothing to do with her disappearance because technically he was in the company of an independent witness and being observed by Jane Tanner to boot!

Similarly, Gerald McCann claims he was sat in the tapas bar restuarant between 9.20pm - 10.00pm, until Kate did her 10pm check of their children and apartment, only to discover that she was missing from there. That's his alibi to enable him to side swipe the accusation by the Smith contingent that he was the man they had seen carrying a toddler, by making out that he could not have been in two places at any one time..


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2020, 01:06:PM
Red flag (22) -  In view of the uncertainty regarding whether or not Gerald McCann returned to the tapas bar restuarant  at 9.20pm, from his 9.05pm visit and check of his children and apartment 5A, and from then on that he remained in the vicinity of the restuarant continuously until Kate McCann went to do her 10pm check of the same, only for her to allegedly rush back to the restuarant to give the alert that someone (they) had taken Madeliene from their unlocked apartment, to be pondered why after appearing upset at 9.05pm when Mathew allegedly told him that everything was quite back at the McCann apartment. It is much more likely that Mathew Oldfield told Gerald McCann that he had entered apartment 5A via the unlocked poolside patio door, went into the children's bedroom but only found the McCann twins sleeping in their cots. He would have also mentioned that he had looked everywhere, the living room, the bathroom / toilet and the parents bedroom, and that because Oldfield was informing him loud enough for other tapas bar restaurant customers to overhear. The McCann parents knew that Madeliene  was not present back in the apartment since around midnight on the evening of 1st May 2007, to which Mrs Fenn alluded to when she heard a child crying continuously in the apartment  beneath hers (apartment 5A), and that it lasted from about 10.30pm until around 11.45pm, when she thought the parents must have returned because she thought she heard the patio door on the poolside of apartment 5A slide open, which coincided with the crying stopping, and a childs voice calling out, 'Daddy  daddy, daddy'. .

It is easy in the cold light of day, to see how Mrs Fenn mistakenly thought it had been the parents who had returned at around 11.45pm to apartment 5A because of the noise made of a patio door being slid open. We do not know why or how Mrs Fenn thought that the two parents had returned at that time, but she must have blindly overheard two distinctive adult voices, of a man, and a woman, without so much as physically seeing both of them...

It wasn't until the evening of the 3rd May 2007 that the McCann parents decided to leave the poolside patio door unlocked, with its metal shutter raised up. They did this after Madeliene went missing on the late evening of 1st May 2007. Albeit, I don't think they realised she had been taken, or had gone missing until breakfast time on 2nd May. In hindsite, how had the two adults who had entered apartment  5A through the poolside patio door, if the McCann parents hadn't left it unlocked and open, and would not do so for a further two days (evening of 3rd May 2007)..

So, if the McCanns did not leave the poolside door unlocked and open until the evening of 3rd May, then neither the McCann parents, or an adult male, and an adult female, could have entered apartment 5A  as a result of sliding open the poolside patio door. It is worth noting that in Mrs Fenns account regarding the alleged return of the parents back into apartment 5A  at around 11.45pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, does not include any mention of apartment  5A's poolside patio door being slid open one way once, and back again when it was closed. In all these circumstances, it seems to me that the crying child stopping occurred either side of the noise of a sliding patio door, and a childs voice calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy', occurred in that particular sequence of events, linked to a couple who had been inside apartment 5A  all the while a child had been crying! The solitary sliding noise of apartment 5A's poolside patio door must have been whoever the man and woman were, who took Madeleine with them leaving the patio door unlocked and open. In other words, at 11.45pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, someone left the McCanns apartment taking Madeliene  with them, and that this goes someway toward explaining that it couldn't have been the McCanns returning back from Chaplins bar on that occasion, because they would have not left the patio door unlocked and open with their three siblings inside, and they go off galavanting all the way down to Chaplins bar! What this implies, is that the man and woman who left apartment 5A at around 11.45pm, taking Madeleine with them, had entered the apartment via the lockable roadside door rarlier at a time which coincided with the McCann parents and their friends leaving the tapas bar restuarant at around 10pm (after eating their prebooked evening meal) and instead of going back to their respective apartments they turned right instead of left when they exited the  small reception entrance and they must have been seen going further away from their apartments by a considerably larger distance than between their apartments and the Ocean club tapas bar. With this in mind how could any member of that group safely and legally check whether or not, their children wouldn't come to any harm!

Whoever  the couple were/are, they must have had a key. It might possibly have been a pass key used by a member of the Ocean club staff. I seem to recollect that a security key kept in a safe in the Maintenance Department went missing around the time of Madeliene McCanns ordeal and displaced disappearance (1st May -3rd May)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 23, 2020, 07:06:AM
Red flag (22) -  
Whoever  the couple were/are, they must have had a key. It might possibly have been a pass key used by a member of the Ocean club staff. I seem to recollect that a security key kept in a safe in the Maintenance Department went missing around the time of Madeliene McCanns ordeal and displaced disappearance (1st May -3rd May)...

Red flag (23) -  so which door did Gerald McCann use to enter and depart apartment 5A at the time of his 9.05pm check of his apartment/his children? The lockable roadside doorway, or the unlocked poolside patio door?

Well, rather astonishingly he originally told the Portugese police that he used the lockable roadside door, but later on, he altered his account and said that in fact he had used the unlocked / open poolside patio door!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 23, 2020, 07:21:AM

Well, rather astonishingly he originally told the Portugese police that he used the lockable roadside door, but later on, he altered his account and said that in fact he had used the unlocked / open poolside patio door!

It has not been made clear by the McCann parents, or their friends how each of them had jointly left apartment  5A, or returned and then left and returned again  to apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007...

For example, Kate and Gerald McCann (when they initially go for their evening meal to the tapas bar restaurant) at about 8.30pm, or thereabouts.

Mathew Oldfield - his 9.00pm check of apartment 5A..

Gerald McCanns9.10pm check of apartment 5A..

Mathew Oldfield/Russell O'Brien 9.20pm - 9.30pm check of apartment 5A..

All adult members of the tapas 9 group 9.30pm return to apartment 5A

Diane Webster 9.45pm return to dining table from apartment 5A..

Kate McCann10.00pm check of apartment 5A ..

Who had possession of the door key(apartment 5A, lockable roadside door)throughout, and on each of these occasions?

Gerald McCann  - 8.30pm
Kate McCann - 8.30pm
Mathew Oldfield - 9.00pm
Gerald McCann - 9.10pm
Mat Oldfield - 9.20pm and 9.30pm
Russell O'Brien - 9.20pm - 9.30pm
All members of group - 9.30pm
Diane Webster - 9.45pm
Kate McCann - 10.00pm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 23, 2020, 08:48:AM
Red flag (24) -  if Kate McCann entered apartment 5A  via the unlocked / open poolside patio door, rather than enter via the lockable roadside door (by use of the door key), it falls to be considered that upon discovering Madeliene to be missing (10.00pm) and having frantically searched all the rooms of the apartment, which door she allegedly ran back outside through to look around the carpark/roadside area of 5A? Did she originally enter the apartment by use of the lockable roadside door by use of its key, or the poolside patio door irrespective of whether or not she had possession of the roadside lockable door key at that stage?

It makes a huge difference since if when she did her so called 10pm check of apartment 5A  she did not have the lockable roadside door key she couldn't have unlocked the roadside locked door from outside the premises! Not only that, but the approach to the lockable roadside door from the car park/roadside direction is by way of a walled footpath, which would have taken her directly past the outside of the bedroom with its metal shutter and she would have noticed whether or not the shutter to that window was raised up, with the window itself slid open and its curtains flailing before she entered the apartment using the lockable roadside door route! There is an added complication in connection to and if Kate McCann used the lockable roadside door to enter apartment 5A during her one and only check of the apartment, and that is that upon leaving the small reception entrance of the Ocean Club, and turning left up the hill towards 5A there comes a point at which whether or not your intention is to enter the apartment by way of the lockable roadside door, there are two possible routes which Kate could have taken to end up outside the roadside lockable door. In between the poolside of the Ocean club and blocks five, four and three runs a walled footpath. Inbetween blocks five and four, there exists a footpath which can take you to the carpark/roadside area of the apartment blocks. From arriving on the carpark side of block five, you could walk along the walled footpath to get access to the lockable door to apartment 5A. Invariably if Kate McCann had taken this route with the view of using the door key to gain access, she would still have needed to go passed the metal shutter of her children's bedroom window (which would be on the right hand side of her body) as she went towards the roadside door. If that metal shutter had been raised at that point, the glass window beyond it slid open, and the bedroom curtains flailing about she would have known this before she went into the apartment, thus exposing the script she has been relying on for the past 13 years (as false or fraudulent) involving all the drama, of entering and noticing the children's bedroom door set more open than at the time it was originally set when they went out earlier for their evening meal, and the slam dunk bang of the same door as she went to reset it, followed by a frantic search of the apartment looking for Madelienes whereabouts!

Then something rather astonishing happens because Kate informs us all that after discovering the disappearance and in house search for Madeliene that she ran outside looking for her!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 23, 2020, 10:03:AM
Red flag (24) -  

Then something rather astonishing happens because Kate informs us all that after discovering the disappearance and in house search for Madeliene that she ran outside looking for her!

Pause here for a moment, for us all to consider the implications had Kate McCann  entered 5A via the roadside lockable door because she had got possession of the door key! Also that she had taken the second route to approach the roadside door the apartment 5A - instead of turning left at the walled footpath which effectively runs between the apartment blocks and poolside of the Ocean club, she carried on to the junction at the top of the road where she would turn left. She would have to pass the gated steps that gave access to the apartments poolside patio and patio door on the left hand side of her body (which I shall cover in due course). At the junction she would have turned to her left and go on the footpath until she got to the entrance of the apartment blocks roadside carpark. The important thing to remember is that the children's shuttered bedroom window is clearly visible to anyone walking on the roadside footpath from the junction that Kate could have taken. At every stage of her walk along that footpath from the corner of the road junction until the entrance of the apartment blocks carpark she would have had a clear view of her children's shuttered bedroom window. In other words, if the metal shutter had been raised up, had the window been open, with the bedroom curtains flailing about, without question Kate McCann would have noticed this long before she actually got to the apartment door..

She would also have had a second opportunity to notice whether or not, the metal shutter was raised  up (ect) because she would still have needed to walk along a walled footpath on the roadside part of the apartment blocks and go past the very same shuttered bedroom window directly on the right hand side of her body on her way to 5A's roadside door!

If any intruder had already forced that metal bedroom window shutter at any stage beforehand, or (afterwards) by the time Kate McCann had unlocked the roadside apartment door and gone inside, she would have seen the raised metal window shutter raised up (etc) or an intruder with Jemmy in his hand, standing there at that window, and courteously stepping aside in order not to block her in her stride, and either then proceeding to force open the metal shutter, enter, abduct Madeliene  and climb back out of the same bedroom window with Madeliene  in his arms, all done and (fingerprint) dusted in the blink of an eye, occurring in the brief period it would have taken Kate to unlock the roadside door and get to the point in her script where she first noticed the children's bedroom door being more ajar than it had been set at 8.30pm (an hour an a half, beforehand), the slam dunking of the bedroom door, and all the other malarkey stuff she has introduced as part of the McCann folklore script..

Now, but what if Kate McCann hadn't gone into the apartment via the lockable roadside door? Instead she had gone through the gated concrete steps up to the patio and its unlocked/open patio door entering the apartment by this method at the time of her alleged 10.00pm visit to check on her children?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 23, 2020, 10:29:AM

Now, but what if Kate McCann hadn't gone into the apartment via the lockable roadside door? Instead she had gone through the gated concrete steps up to the patio and its unlocked/open patio door entering the apartment by this method at the time of her alleged 10.00pm visit to check on her children?

Red flag (25) -  Sadly, Kate McCann, was not present in the tapas restuarant  at 10.00pm, and except for Diane Webster who returned to the restuarant tables at 9.45pm, all the other seven group members had vacated their dining tables at or by 9.30pm too..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 23, 2020, 09:32:PM
Do the German Police have enough evidence for a trial..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mysterious-phone-call-holds-key-to-madeleine-mccann-mystery-but-time-almost-up/ar-BB17723l?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 23, 2020, 09:47:PM
It certainly looks like that evil depraved subhuman is guilty. I'm watching this sickening investigation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 23, 2020, 10:09:PM
It certainly looks like that evil depraved subhuman is guilty. I'm watching this sickening investigation.
But as things stand lookout any trial may be a farce. Surely their only hope is a confession?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 23, 2020, 10:12:PM
But as things stand lookout any trial may be a farce. Surely their only hope is a confession?




Unfortunately yes, Steve.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 23, 2020, 10:21:PM



Unfortunately yes, Steve.

If CB is involved, he is a pawn. McCann's are also involved.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 23, 2020, 10:28:PM
2 years before the McCann's went to Portugal a 37 year old Irish woman had been raped told police that it could well have been the same man. DNA results from that case were destroyed along with results from the 72 year old. The destruction came from the orders of the judge at the time.
The rapist was never caught, but the case of the 37 year old Mrs Behan is being re-opened . Met police along with Portuguese police are going to try and solve the case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 23, 2020, 10:32:PM
The vicious rape was committed by a masked man who spoke English in a German accent. This was in 2005
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 01:29:AM
Red flag (24) -

Then something rather astonishing happens because Kate informs us all that after discovering the disappearance and in house search for Madeliene that she ran outside looking for her!

Red flag (26) -  Whichever door Kate McCann used to enter apartment 5A at the time of her 10.00pm check it has not yet been explained whether or not the door in question was closed shut upon entry behind her. Bear in mind, that once Kate had ran outside of the door of the premises to look around outside that the door in question was the lockable roadside door, and not the poolside patio door.- she would not have needed the key to exit this door because the lock on the inside of the door could be opened from the inside, by the turn of a switch irrespective of whether or not a key was inserted in the lock itself!

Red flag (27) -  If you exited this door by adopting this technique and you pulled the door shut behind you (to look for Madeliene), the door would self lock automatically and you would not be able to re-enter the apartment via that door unless you had the key to the lock of that door. If you needed to get back into the apartment you would have to go around to the poolside of block 5 and use the unlocked patio door..

Red flag (28) -  But, Kate makes no mention of returning back into the premises,  after a frantic search outside for Madeliene. Also she doesn't mention whether or not she closed the door behind her as she left the apartment, and or if it slammed shut itself behind her because of a vacuum caused by an open bedroom window with its metal shutter raised up, and the patio door on the poolside of the building had been left open upon her initial entry.

Red flag (29) - She then hurries back to the restaurant to inform all the other members of the group, that 'Madeliene is gone' , and 'they have taken her' - but how could she have told all the other members of the group these things at the restaurant after 10.00pm, because there was no-one there after 9.30pm, including Kate McCann herself (other than Diane Webster from 9.45pm onwards)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 01:49:AM

Red flag (29) - She then hurries back to the restaurant to inform all the other members of the group, that 'Madeliene is gone' , and 'they have taken her' - but how could she have told all the other members of the group these things at the restaurant after 10.00pm, because there was no-one there after 9.30pm, including Kate McCann herself (other than Diane Webster from 9.45pm onwards)...

Red flag (30) -  upon being alerted by Kate McCann that Madeliene was missing, everyone got up from the dining table and dashed back to the McCann apartment!  But, how could this possibly have been true by 10.00pm because they had all left the tapas bar restaurant at around 9.30pm. Not only that but also there were many people who had been present in the tapas bar restaurant at around 9.15pm that had known that a toddler had gone missing from one of the Ocean clubs apartments, Also, bear in mind that 15 minutes earlier (9.00pm) Mathew Oldfield had entered the McCanns apartment and discovered Madeliene  to be missing that's an hour before Kate McCanns alleged alert was given at 10.00pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 02:18:AM
Red flag (31) -  If Mathew Oldfield discovered Madeliene the to be missing from the McCann apartment at 9.00pm, why would he not tell the parents and the other members of the group (and Ocean club members of staff) that she had gone missing from apartment 5A? But he did Gerald McCann and which from 9.05pm onwards, and was the reason why he went back to apartment 5A. So by that stage (9.00pm - 9.05pm)at least two people knew Madeliene had gone missing (Mathew Oldfield and Gerald McCann)..

By 9.15pm, at least a further two, possibly three more people knew that a toddler had gone missing from one of the Ocean clubs apartment (a couple sat at a dining table, and an Ocean Club supervisor who overheard their conversation), So, by that stage there were as many as four or five people who knew about the missing three year old toddler.

Red flag (32) -  the fact that Jane Tanner left the Ocean Club within five minutes (9.10pm) of Gerald McCann (9.05pm), for two purposes is worrying in the sense that Kate McCann (and possibly others) were concerned regarding the length of time Gerald McCann was taking to do a check at apartment 5A as a result of what Mathew Oldfield had had told about Madeliene and being missing from the McCann apartment. Kate had supposedly mentioned to Jane Tanner that Gerald McCann was probably watching football on sky TV. Undaunted by Kates reassuring comment Jane Tanner left anyway to check on her own apartment and child (9.10pm) but, what if this was not true?  What if Jane Tanner went to make sure her daughter was not the toddler who had gone missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 03:27:AM
Red flag (33) -  at 9.20pm - 9.30pm Kate got to her feet at the tapas bar restaurant intent on going back to apartment 5A, but for some reason Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien talked her out of it. They volunteered to go and see what the state of play was back at the McCann apartment (9.20pm - 9.30pm).My instinct regarding this part of the McCann entourage script is that Kate wanted to go back to her apartment to see for herself the state of play, because by that stage her husband and Jane Tanner had not yet returned back to the tapas bar restaurant, and despite them both leaving to go there at 9.05pm and 9.10pm respectively...

Here exists support for the contention that at least four members of the group were absent from the dining table in the tapas bar restaurant by 9.30pm, namely, Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien, leaving the other five members of the group at the dining table (9.20pm)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 03:38:AM
Red flag (33) -  at 9.20pm - 9.30pm Kate got to her feet at the tapas bar restaurant intent on going back to apartment 5A, but for some reason Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien talked her out of it. They volunteered to go and see what the state of play was back at the McCann apartment (9.20pm - 9.30pm).My instinct regarding this part of the McCann entourage script is that Kate wanted to go back to her apartment to see for herself the state of play, and because by that stage her husband and Jane Tanner had not yet returned back to the tapas bar restaurant, and despite them both leaving to go there at 9.05pm and 9.10pm respectively...

Here exists support for the contention that at least four members of the group were absent from the dining table in the tapas bar restaurant by 9.30pm, namely, Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien, leaving the other five members of the group at the dining table (9.20pm)..

Red flag (34) -  The five remaining group members who remained at the dining table in the restaurant (9.20pm), were Kate McCann, Rachel Mampilly, David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster. However, by 9.30pm something caused all of them to depart from the tapas bar restaurant and return to apartment 5A, or their own apartments and in the immediate vicinity of block five in particular

Red flag (35) -  the following is my explanation for why these five adult members of the group remained behind at the dining table in the tapas bar restaurant - David Payne,  Fiona Payne and Diane Webster shared the same apartment and were the only family to possess and use their own electronic baby monitoring device, and so they thought there was no need to be physically present and back in their apartment. Kate McCann knew that her husband (Gerald McCann) was dealing with the situation in apartment 5A. Rachel Mamphilly knew that Mathew Oldfield was absent dealing with the situation. Both Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner were absent from the dining table at 9.30pm, dealing with the ongoing crisis...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 04:42:AM
Red flag (36) -  Close scrutiny of the facts as told by or relied upon by members of the McCann parents and the other 7 adult members known as the tapas 7 group, confirms that all members of the tapas 9 group knew about the disappearance of 3 year old Madeliene McCann from Apartment 5A at varying stages between 9.00pm and 9.30pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, or sooner...

The reason why they have deliberately misled the Portuguese authorities, by extending the period when it first became known (9.00pm) by all concerned that Madeliene was missing being delayed by one hour to 10.00pm, and the name of the person responsible for alerting to the occasion when it was first discovered that Madeliene was gone in the script for that date (Mathew Oldfield [9.00pm] to Kate McCann [10.00pm] is compelling evidence which goes toward proving that the McCann parents and other group members played one role or another in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of the 3 year old toddler..

Red flag (37) -  Gerald McCann deliberately lied about him seeing Madeliene alive and sleeping soundly in her bed during his 9.05pm check of apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 09:32:AM
Red flag (37) -  If Gerald McCann returned back at the tapas bar restuarant  at 9.20pm from his check of apartment 5A (9.05pm), what was the point of Kate McCann getting up from the dining table intent on checking it again because her husband had just checked it? Just as somewhat bizarre as Mathew  Oldfield and Russell O'Brien volunteering to do that check on her behalf  when either Gerald McCann had not yet returned and he had been absent from the tapas bar restaurant  since 9.05pm, or had only just returned (9.20pm), plus, the fact that Mathew Oldfield knew that at 9.00pm when he had been inside the McCann apartment Madeliene  was not there, and Gerald McCann  had not returned to inform everyone that Madeliene  was safe, soundly sleeping in her bed, 5 minutes after Mathew  had claimed she was absent and missing!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 09:43:AM
Red flag (38) -  a telltale sign that something was amiss with the accounts being given by various group members concerning their movements back and forth between their apartments and the tapas bar restuarant on that particular evening, and no proper explanation was given for why one of the 9 main meals cooked for the group in the restaurants kitchen had not been ate any time between 9.00pm and 10.00pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 10:12:AM
Red flag (38) -  ... no proper explanation was given for why one of the 9 main meals cooked for the group in the restaurants kitchen had not been ate any time between 9.00pm and 10.00pm..

Red flag (39) -  Evening Dinner had been booked to start at 9pm, sharp. All 9 adult members of the group had attended the restuarant by start of the booking, and left at different times, 9.00pm (Mathew Oldfield), 9.05pm (Gerald McCann), 9.10pm (Jane Tanner), 9.20pm (Mathew  Oldfield and Russell O'Brien), 9.30pm (everyone), 9.45pm (everyone with the exception of Diane Webster), 10.00pm (Kate McCann  who left the tapas bar restaurant at that time, but who had returned and alerted everyone to the fact that Madeliene was missing from the McCann  apartment despite only Diane  Webster being present, and the absurd claim made by Kate McCann  that following on from this, all the other members of the group in attendance in the restuarant at that time (10.00pm) with the exception of Russell O'Brien  who had remained back in his apartment to look after his toddler  who was unwell, (only noticed after O'Brien had left the tapas bar restaurant  along with Mathew Oldfield earlier at 9.20pm), everyone else was present when Kate McCann returned from her check of 5A shortly after 10.00pm, and everyone then left the tapas bar, including Gerald McCann,  Jane Tanner, Diane Webster and Rachel  Mampilly, and hurried back to the McCann apartment, or their own apartments  - an event, or a number of individual events in this script which could not possibly be true!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 10:20:AM
Red flag (40) -  the deletion of phone call, and text messaging on Gerald McCanns mobile phone, between 9.00pm and 11.30pm, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, with no explanation offered saying why or who had been responsible for taking that action?

Somewhat rather compelling, as discovered by the Portuguese investigators, was that phone call records made to and from Gerald and Kate McCanns mobile phones remained in the memory of Kate McCanns seized mobile phone during the period her husband phone records had been deleted, during the evening of 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 10:32:AM
Red flag (41) -  the astonishing coincidence that phone or text messaging records in Robert Murats mobile phone had been deliberately deleted at 10.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, which as it turned out involved contact between Robert Murat and Serge Malinka, proven by phone records still inside Serge Malinkas mobile phone, when eventually seized by police and further, that computer hard drives  seized from Serge Malinkas home, had been cleaned, destroyed and wiped clean from the memory before police seized them suspicious activities linking Robert Murat, Serge Malinka and Gerald McCann together in an attempt to cover something sinister up involving contact with either one or another at critical times of the police investigation...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 10:43:AM
Red flag (42) -  mobile phone records recovered from a phone owned and used by  latest suspect, Christian B, showing that the suspect had been close to the McCann  apartment on the evening of 3rd May 2007, and in contact for an half hour period (call lasting between 7.32pm and 8.02pm) the other person being a restuarant owner 'Diago Silva'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 11:19:AM
Red flag (43) -  in the same way, that Portuguese  investigators found phone record information in Kate McCanns mobile phones memory confirming that the deletion of phone records of the same calls, which were deleted from Gerald McCanns mobile phone memory refer Red flag (40) - a similar connection was found in the mobile phone memory belonging to Robert Murat made to Serge Malinka, at 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, ( by way of relying and using using geo location equipment) placed Robert Murat in the vicinity of the 'Baptista' supermarket downhill from the Ocean club complex..

When subsequently questioned about this phone record matter, he denied making such a call, stating that he must have accidentally touched the number in question and unknowingly activated a call to Malinka who was a business associate of his involved in the IT industry...   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 11:33:AM
 Red flag (44) - Robert Murat made a living buying and selling properties, including the purchasing of derelict buildings. This is of particular interest to me insofar as, he inherited that line of business from his father who once owned the derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores, Lagos..) located directly opposite the village church in Praia de Luz. This building was originally a bank, owned by his father  or a relative of his which has been passed down from relative or family member to another over the passing of time..

This is the derelict building and its rear garden  containing the only ever shallow grave found in Praia de luz, dug out inside a hollow at the rear left hand corner of the garden and its stone constructed sea wall. It was whilst I was examining the rear garden that I stumbled upon what I believed to be part of a human bone, which I took photographs of after I placed it on top of a flat surface of a sawn piece of tree trunk amongst heaps and heaps of piled high garden waste and rubbish. I took photographs of everything I touched or found, which was when I stumbled on what appeared to be a shallow grave in a hollow of the rear garden, that it struck me as being out of the ordinary simply because garden waste , logs and rubbish, etc, had carelessly been tossed lacksidaisically all over the place, which formed piles and piles of discarded waste. But the grave in the hollow puzzled me, as to why anybody would go to the trouble of burying something in a garden were everything else was heaped in piles above ground. Also laid close by to this shallow grave was a rusty iron bar (Jemmy) which led me to believe it had been used to prize up stones or rocks out of the ground beneath the surface of the grave to create sufficient space to conceal something of interest that whoever had dug out the grave did not want anyone to find easily. Also laid out in a sort of line which ran from close to the edge of the grave along a constructed stone wall which ran in a direction as though it was pointing towards the open sea beyond the gardens sea wall which itself ran parallel to the back edge of the garden. It struck me as odd that these large stones had been laid out as though it had some symbolic meaning. I took photographs of it all. At one point I made my way to where both of these walls met which perfectly was where the line of places stones terminated, or thereabouts, and took in the gaze beyond the sea wall, and it was then that I looked down only to see sea water splashing hard against rocks below. It was whilst I was gaping in awe of the magnificent views that my eyes fixed on what appeared to be a concrete ledge that ran parallel along the sea wall, from right to left, or left to right, and I saw a number of rusty and circular storm drain covers embedded in different places along the ledge. I decided that I would take a closer look at the ledge and these storm drain covers which were positioned in a somewhat precarious location for any human to attend without risk of falling to a possible death onto the rocks and into the angry tide of the sea...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 12:15:PM
As I ventured away from that vantage point, and past the row of laid out stones and the shallow looking grave, it dawn on me that either there was a body buried in the grave, or something belonging to the memory of that body, and that there was a good chance that either items of interest, or body parts might have been discarded inside one of what appeared to be vertical storm drains on that ledge beyond the derelict buildings rear sea wall...

I got the impression that the layout of these rather large stones were some sort of a marker of something or other, denoting the passing of time, or designed to indicate where something of interest might have been disposed of...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 12:21:PM
I entered the hub of the derelict building somewhat aprehensively and took photographs as I gingerly progressed further and further into each room of the former bank building..

I found other items of interest in  different parts of the building. I took photographs and although I physically picked up and moved some of these items after I had photographed them I left them institu in the positions I had photographed them in...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 24, 2020, 03:21:PM

9.20pm / 9.30pm - Russell O'Brien  leaves the tapas bar restuarant  for the first and only time, along with Mathew Oldfield,  but he does not return there on any further occasion. This account and that of Jane Tanner are at odds with each others, evolving around a very serious discrepancy regarding the only occasion Russell O'Brien  was away from the tapas bar restaurant  because their child was unwell. That was after he had left the tapas bar in the company of Mathew Oldfield  at 9.20pm/9.30pm. Jane Tanner has Russell O'Brien  already back in their apartment before she left the tapas bar restuarant  (9.10pm) to relieve him from minding their sick child, so that he could eat his evening meal. If Tanners version of this matter is correct, then in my opinion a  Red flag (A) - hangs in the balance suggesting that O'Brien  was involved in the actual disappearance of Madeliene  McCann, and he couldn't have been present at the tapas bar restuarant at 9.20pm/9.30pm, in order to leave there along with Mathew Oldfield to carry out Kate McCanns 9.20pm/9.30pm check of her own apartment (5A). In which case Kate McCann has lied about Russell O'Brien  both being present together at the specified time they had volunteered to do Kate McCanns check. In addition Mathew Oldfields account to the effect that Russell O'Brien  was with him at the tapas bar when they volunteered to do Kate McCanns 9.20pm/9.30pm check of 5A, and later when Mathew returned back to the tapas bar restuarant couldn't haven telling the truth about Russell O'Brien  not coming back to the tapas because his child is unwell and Russell is staying at their apartment to look after and care for the child..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 25, 2020, 10:25:AM
Red flag - (45) -  it is much more likely as a result of these inconsistencies/contradictions and anomalies , that 'NO-ONE' did a check of apartment 5A, at 9.20pm/9.30pm (the action introduced regarding Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien doing Kate McCanns 9.20pm - 9.30pm check, simply could not and did happen at all) but that 'everyone (and that included Diane Webster) had simply gone back there by 9.30pm [at the very latest] to help deal with 'the Madeliene McCann issue', [and] further - this included Jane Tanners departure from the tapas bar restaurant at 9.10pm, Gerald McCanns departure from the ocean club at 9.05pm., and Mathew Oldfield returning to apartment 5A at 9.00pm..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 25, 2020, 01:10:PM
Red flag - (45) -  it is much more likely as a result of these inconsistencies/contradictions and anomalies , that 'NO-ONE' did a check of apartment 5A, at 9.20pm/9.30pm (the action introduced regarding Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien doing Kate McCanns 9.20pm - 9.30pm check, and simply could not and did happen at all) but that 'everyone (and that included Diane Webster) had simply gone back there by 9.30pm [at the very latest] to help deal with 'the Madeliene McCann issue', [and] further - this included Jane Tanners departure from the tapas bar restaurant at 9.10pm, Gerald McCanns departure from the ocean club at 9.05pm., and Mathew Oldfield returning to apartment 5A at 9.00pm..

This is because other tapas 7 group members, already knew that  Madeliene had gone missing around midnight [1st/2nd May] whilst they were all enjoying an extended late night outing down in Chaplins bar [approximately 491 metres] from there, and by shortest route, to entry of apartment 5A, via poolside patio door - if they had started leaving patio door unlocked sooner than 2nd/3rd May. The distance from Chaplins bar by shortest route in order to enter apartment 5A via the lockable roadside door, is slightly different longer (as calculated by use of  Google earth distance/measuring tools. The McCanns were a minimum of 11 minutes walk away from their three siblings on this occasion back in an unlocked apartment 5A. The other members were slightly further away, and by distance or time...

Whatever happened to Madeliene McCann occurred on the occasion members of the tapas 9 group were visiting Chaplins bar between 10.00pm - and approximately 11.45pm, on the evening of 1st May 2007...

The McCanns or other members of their group didn't find out that Madeliene  had gone missing until breakfast time on the following morning (2nd May).  They didn't report it on that day, because at that point, the McCann parents, or at least one of them, [the other knew what was happening] Gerald McCann was contacted and speaking to the person or those who convinced him that they had Madeliene, and that she would come to no harm provided they handed over a ransom  payment of «€1,000,000. Gerald McCann entered into an agreement with him/her/them, and went [as instructed] to a nearby town that day / morning / afternoon [2nd May] , in order to receive proof that 'they' had got Madeliene, and that she was alive!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 08:15:AM
Simply out of interest, rather astonishingly when my wife and I went to Portugal in June 2010, at the Ocean Club, (Mark warner)  we were allocated apartment 6, in block 6, which as it turns out about three years beforehand (May, 2007) the PJ had been using this very same apartment as 'the operations base for this police force in the investigation of the disappearance of Madeliene McCann'

'OMG'

'OMG'

'OMG'

'OMG'


What A Coincidence! What A Coincidence!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 11:22:AM
Simply out of interest, rather astonishingly when my wife and I went to Portugal in June 2010, at the Ocean Club, (Mark warner)  we were allocated apartment 6, in block 6, which as it turns out about three years beforehand (May, 2007) the PJ had been using this very same apartment as 'the operations base for this police force in the investigation of the disappearance of Madeliene McCann'

'OMG'

'OMG'

'OMG'

'OMG'



A sighting of a suspect (2nd / 3rd May 2007) by witness' Derek FLACK' who told of man who appeared to be watching the McCann apartment
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 11:40:AM
In my view, the circumstances of this sighting (post date, Mrs Fenns account for evening of 1st May 2007) is linked to the disappearance of Madeliene McCann.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 11:52:AM
In my view, the circumstances of this sighting (post date, Mrs Fenns account for evening of 1st May 2007) is linked to the disappearance of Madeliene McCann.

I believe that the fact that there were a number of sightings, and incidents involving a number of suspicious male individuals collecting for charity from guests of the Ocean Club (apartments), and or a series of burglaries which took place in that part of the Algarve by 2007, and sexual assaults on various occasions against children and women, is linked to the disappearance of Madeliene McCann (1st / 3rd May 2007)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 11:55:AM
I believe that the fact that there were a number of sightings, and incidents involving a number of suspicious male individuals collecting for charity from guests of the Ocean Club (apartments), and or a series of burglaries which took place in that part of the Algarve by 2007, and sexual assaults on various occasions against children and women, is linked to the disappearance of Madeliene McCann (1st / 3rd May 2007)...

These disgusting individuals are lower than the reputations often associated with / and to the regular and common gutter/drain rats!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 11:58:AM
But..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 12:07:PM
But..

This group of individuals, do what they do, in the belief that they will never be charged with committing any offence, providing that you, him, her, or them,  deliver to the controllers what and by when, if are required to supply victims required for let us call the process..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 01:55:PM
This group of individuals, do what they do, in the belief that they will never be charged with committing any offence, providing that you, him, her, or them,  deliver to the controllers what and by when, if are required to supply victims required for let us call the process..

The route of all this evil lies with those in power, heads of state, presidents, and prime ministers - then in a cascading literny of MP's, the judiciary, the Church, etc, etc, etc..

The Murats, Malinkas, Christian B's, who seek to actively exploit the situation...

And then, others who if caught or found out get help afforded not to most of living or deceased human beings..

Afforded this help because of their (one or other)  affiliation to either freemasonry, the knights templar, illuminati, or church, witchcraft and devil worship...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 26, 2020, 08:02:PM
McCann parents, were trying to show (publickly) that they were not communicating or co-operating with the PJ, at peril of sanctioning Madelienes imminent death...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2020, 02:46:PM
McCann parents, were trying to show (publicly) that they were not communicating or co-operating with the PJ, at peril of sanctioning Madeline imminent death...

It is believed that the custodian(s) of Madeline McCann, were in regular contact with the McCann parents throughout 2nd and 3rd May 2007 - In addition, meetings were arranged which took place in nearby towns. There was ongoing communication between both parties 2nd - 7th May 2007...

Contact was made between The McCanns and the UK embassy in Lisbon, resulting in the parents being assured that everything possible would be done at government and international level to find some sort of a resolution to the matter. The parents and their friends were assured that they would not face prosecution or be investigated surrounding the circumstances of their daughters disappearance.These reassurances were made by co-operation between Portuguese and UK diplomats who were gathered in Lisbon for the European summit...

Creche registers at the Ocean club were falsified to try and make it look like Madeleine had attended kid activities during 2nd / 3rd May 2007 (hence why entries recorded in creche registers did not stack up and were contradictory)

The GNR were not let in on the arrangement, they would only become involved once the faked abduction alerted to by Kate McCanns discovered at 10pm, on the evening of 10th May 2007.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 28, 2020, 12:59:PM
Police searches for possible body of Madeleine McCann in a garden in Hannover, Germany

https://m.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover (https://m.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 28, 2020, 02:10:PM
"Julia Meyer, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office in Braunschweig, confirmed media reports on Tuesday that police investigating the case had been at the site since Monday with an excavator."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/madeleine-mccann-german-police-search-garden-in-hanover (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/madeleine-mccann-german-police-search-garden-in-hanover)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 28, 2020, 04:56:PM
Police searches for possible body of Madeleine McCann in a garden in Hannover, Germany

https://m.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover (https://m.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Stadt/Verschwundene-Maddie-Polizei-durchsucht-Kleingarten-bei-Hannover)

German authorities are acting on date line and time embedded in the videos and pictures they found concealed in his motor home, and the grave of his pet dog!

Apparently the images of Madeliene are date stamped 2007, on a date it was known that he had returned to Germany from Portugal and he had rented a trailer close to his home in Hanover..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 28, 2020, 08:26:PM
But...

It is my belief, that Christian B was an associate of 'IT wiz kid', Serge Malinka, property dealer Robert Murat and peadophile Raymon Hewlett..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 28, 2020, 08:48:PM
When the authorities in Germany, Portugal find out who the previous owner of that large motorhome is /was, and how the suspect paid for it in either cash or cheque, and how much it was sold for, things will start to happen...

DIAGO SILVA was on the phone for half an hour with Christian B (7.32pm - 8.02pm) about an hour before Madeleine  McCann went missing. According to reports Diago Silva was a restuarant owner in Portugal. That aside for a moment, at least it's coming out now that Mathew Oldfield was telling his truth about discovering Madeliene  to be missing from the McCann Apartment when he did a 9pm check - and that Kate McCanns script can't have been true because everybody in the tapas 9 group knew Madeliene  wasn't inside apartment 5A at any stage after Mathew Oldfields 9.00pm visit. If this was a genuine abduction, the parents and their friends would not have been inventing scripts that didn't ring true. If Madeliene  was taken by some as yet unknown abductor, why was there a need to make believe that Madeliene was last seen alive when Gerald McCann did his 9.05pm check (5 minutes after Mathew had been and found Madeliene  to be missing). The exit of Jane Tanner from the tapas bar area at 9.10pm, must have been a reaction to hearing what Mathew Oldfield had said about Madeleine missing. Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the tapas bar restuarant  at 9.20pm -9.30pm to go and find Gerald McCann. By 9.30pm, everyone had left the dining tables and gone back to block 5. Why would anyone make up such stories if Madeleine had been taken?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 29, 2020, 05:11:PM
Madeleine McCann investigators 'find secret cellar' during search of allotment in Germany

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/madeleine-mccann-police-search-secret-cellar-germany-allotment-a4511811.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/madeleine-mccann-police-search-secret-cellar-germany-allotment-a4511811.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 29, 2020, 05:58:PM
Madeleine McCann investigators 'find secret cellar' during search of allotment in Germany

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/madeleine-mccann-police-search-secret-cellar-germany-allotment-a4511811.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/madeleine-mccann-police-search-secret-cellar-germany-allotment-a4511811.html)

Maybe they'll find a rack of Riesling.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2020, 06:43:PM
German authorities were hoping to discover grave of 2nd pet dog suspect had in 2007, with the likelihood that digital evidence linking him to Madeliene McCann disappearence, or some other form of corroborating evidence, that he kept victims, tortured them, and killed them in a cellar located in the area of the allotments...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2020, 06:53:PM
Digital evidence was recovered from the grave of the suspects 1st pet dog, which included disks and memory sticks. The animal and the evidence were buried beneath large rocks /stones...

In the last search, police took away a large amount of rocks and stone , suggesting that the suspect may have concealed additional digital evidence, or bodies beneath the 2nd pet dogs grave...

And...

The possibility that DNA evidence may be present on breeze blocks which linked the cellar now being linked to the Madeliene McCann case..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2020, 09:23:PM
German police took away breeze blocks which formed the shell of the concealed/hidden cellar - purpose, to try and locate victims DNA on the surfaces of any internal surfaces (of the same) of/on these breeze blocks, in view of known DNA profiles, including Madeliene McCann, as well of other possible victims...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2020, 09:27:PM
But...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on July 29, 2020, 11:04:PM
I hope not to post too much about this case, and I admit I'm not well up on it, but one thing intrigues me.

Is there any evidence that would tell me that the abduction scenario is either impossible or implausible?  I did watch a video once in which the Portuguese lead detective from the Polícia Judiciária stated that abduction was "materially impossible", but when I listened to his reasons, I have to say I wasn't overly impressed.  He left me with the distinct impression that he is the type - quite typical of police officers all over - who arrives at a conclusion and then looks for the evidence to support it, and I came away with a better appreciation of why the British authorities had decided to involve themselves and give oversight.

I am inclined towards believing the parents.  Could one of you who doesn't believe them kindly tell me, in very brief terms, what it is I am not seeing?  What makes abduction "materially impossible"?  A bullet point précis is fine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 05:07:AM
I am inclined towards believing the parents.  Could one of you who doesn't believe them kindly tell me, in very brief terms, what it is I am not seeing?  What makes abduction "materially impossible"?  A bullet point précis is fine.

Please, pause for a moment and reflect - why have the parents, and their friends who are members of the 7/9 tapas group, given conflicting accounts regarding when Madeliene McCanns  disappearance was first alerted to, or mentioned?

Clear evidence exists, to suggest that the parents, a parent, and other persons of interest, have all deliberately lied about the very first occasion that anybody/ everybody knew that Madeliene  was missing from apartment 5A....

9pm..
9.15pm...
9.20pm...
9.30pm..
9.45pm...
10.00pm?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 05:16:AM
In my opinion, based on my knowledge and experience in crime, criminality, police, the prosecuting authorities, and judiciary, I know with 100% certainty, that the McCann parents are not telling the truth about the date Madeliene  went missing!

She actually was removed from the McCann apartment (5A), at the end of 1st May 2007, not at 10pm, on evening of 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on July 30, 2020, 05:19:AM
Mike,

Obviously I respect your view and don't wish to disrupt this thread, but the question I am asking is specific:

What piece of evidence tells me that the abduction theory is "materially impossible"?

If nobody can answer, that's fine, but if so, I really think you should admit it.  If I was a lawyer prosecuting the McCanns, I would make a point of admitting to the jury that abduction is not materially impossible and the jury must weigh the theory in and consider it with regard to the evidence.

That's the honest thing to do.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 05:24:AM
AT THE MOMENT (July 2020), the Portuguese, UK and the German authorities, are investigating the case, from different perspectives (yet all co-operating with one another). The point in issue, no matter which stance any of them choose to pursue, is that the McCann parents, and or the other 7 tapas group members can't agree when it was first alerted to  or known about, when (on evening of 3rd May 2007), that Madeliene  had gone missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on July 30, 2020, 05:29:AM
AT THE MOMENT (July 2020), the Portuguese, UK and the German authorities, are investigating the case, from different perspectives (yet all co-operating with one another). The point in issue, no matter which stance any of them choose to pursue, is that the McCann parents, and or the other 7 tapas group members can't agree when when it was first alerted to  or known about, when (on evening of 3rd May 2007), that Madeliene  had gone missing?

Interesting.  It seems to me that the various parents probably did lie or twist the truth about the safeguarding arrangements that evening, but only because it caused them embarrassment, not because they're guilty.

Lying about things doesn't make them guilty.

Moreover, inconsistencies in statements, etc. don't amount to proof of guilt.  There is bound to be disagreement.  Indeed, ironically an innocent person is more likely to be inconsistent and unsure about the facts than a guilty person.

But my issue here is that the Portuguese detective dismisses abduction as "materially impossible" but his reasons left me rather underwhelmed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 05:38:AM
What piece of evidence tells me that the abduction theory is "materially impossible"?

If nobody can answer, that's fine, but if so, I really think you should admit it.  If I was a lawyer prosecuting the McCanns, I would make a point of admitting to the jury that abduction is not materially impossible and the jury must weigh the theory in and consider it with regard to the evidence.

That's the honest thing to do.

Parents, and other members of 'the group', have all given conflicting views regarding when each of them, or others did checks of, or at apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007, rather than checks made on evening of 1st May 2007 (and/or later), when they went from the evening meal script, at the tapas bar restuarant (by 10.00pm) to Chaplins bar (midnight  or later). It seems quite clear to me, that other members of the so called 'tapas 9'  group, are in cahoots with eachother, to try to not comment, or talk about what had, did, could, have taken place two days (1st / 2nd May 2007) or so previously...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 06:05:AM
The parents and the others,  have shot themselves in the foot, simply by displacing the known date and time they were aware that Madeliene  was 'gone', or had been taken...

Such a deception would 'from my perspective', cause a jury to believe  that the parents / friends, did have 'something to do' with the circumstances relating to the actual disappearence of Madeliene McCann which for whatever reason, they were, or are reluctant to discuss, or admit to, through a genuine fear of guilt, that they might possibly have been more involved than they are prepared to admit to...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 06:35:AM
If, the McCann parents actually (off record) told the truth to personnel at the British Embassy in Portugal (at the time) and they were told, or advised not to speak a word of it to anybody or anyone, including the GNR, PJ, Media, etc

Then I could understand the path they all took.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 06:52:AM
As each of us go through life,we often learn valuable lessons...

YOU either (1) tell the truth as you know, recollect or remember it, or 'you say nothing'!

Often, telling the truth does not make you guilty as charged. Similarly,' saying 'nothing at all' does not prove or establish beyond doubt  that you might be a liar, and therefore you must be guilty!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 30, 2020, 12:03:PM
To my mindset, the McCann parents do not come across as those telling the truth, not the whole truth, and nothing but the truth..

I BELIEVE that I would know if and when the parents were/are telling the ultimate truth..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on July 30, 2020, 02:11:PM
Maybe they'll find a rack of Riesling.

"An eyewitness observing the forensic search in Hanover said: “The sniffer dogs were barking quite a lot.”"

Uh Oh. You know what sniffer dogs barking means!  ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on July 31, 2020, 12:59:AM
I address what follows to honest people.

As I have recently been taking a closer re-look at the Bamber case, one thing that has become apparent is that the scratch marks could not have been made on the aga surround with the silencer.  It is "materially impossible".  I am confident in saying that.

If Ann Eaton was in front of me now, my first question to her would be: "How did those scratch marks get on the aga surround?"

Let us take the aga affair as our acid test.  That is our benchmark for material impossibility: something that can't have happened, a hypothesis that is conclusively falsified.

When Goncalo Amaral of the Polícia Judiciária tells us that abduction is a "material impossibility", we know he is wrong.  If we're honest people, we know this.

This means that in a criminal trial of the McCanns, in order for the trial to be fair, a jury would have to be made aware that the abduction theory is, contrary to what the police officially claim, in fact a consideration that is very firmly on the table. 

Once you admit that abduction is possible or not "materially impossible" (whichever way you prefer to put it), this changes the whole tenor of the discussion because you have to allow that abduction could have occurred, and if you want to maintain that the parents are responsible rather than an outside agent, then you have to come up with something very compelling that leaves abduction only as a residual possibility: preferably evidence in the form of a body found in proximity to the apartment itself or somewhere that the parents have been or had access to.

I don't pretend I know a great deal about this case, but, like it or not, the plain reality of it is that there was means and opportunity for somebody to learn of the social group's routines, then go in to that apartment and remove Madeleine without the parents knowing.  The patio door was unlocked and not in the parents' line of sight, nor was the walkway approach to the apartment from the main street available for the parents to see.  Whether it was wise for the parents to put themselves in that position is beside the point.  They did, and that they did proves nothing as to the matter before us.  Moreover, this was their routine, it was known by people at the hotel, and crucially, it cannot be alleged that the McCanns suddenly adopted this routine as a means of deflecting attention from an incident in the apartment.

The alternative to all this is that we take the view that Madeleine died in the apartment, probably in an accident or similar, and the parents have hidden the body. Let's consider this.

We would need to first consider why the parents would not alert the holiday complex and the authorities, or the friends that they are holidaying with.  Well, they're doctors, you say.  Perhaps as medical doctors they would more quickly realise the gravity of the situation and this equipped them to make a decision, whereas non-medics would instinctively seek outside help; nevertheless, these people would have to calmly sit down and plan the disposal of their daughter's body in an unfamiliar area of a foreign country, and be confident that they could do so within a very narrow time window of a few hours in the afternoon. While this is going on, they must also continue to act normally among their friends and anybody else they meet, and also maintain the secret from their other children, who are still in the same apartment. 

If you think they did inform some of their friends, who then became confederates in the enterprise, then we would need to consider what interest those people would have in assisting the McCanns in maintaining a cover story for the death of a child.  Why would someone do this?  Is it likely someone would do this?

I draw no firm conclusions from these thoughts.  I merely propose to you that abduction is not a material impossibility, nor has the continuing claim from the parents that she was abducted been disproved.  If it had been, the McCanns would have been arrested, as the default position if the abduction theory fails is that the McCanns are responsible for Madeleine's disappearance, in which case it can be assumed she is dead.  As ever, the burden of proof remains with those who might pursue these allegations.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on August 01, 2020, 11:49:AM
Here is a good post from another site by a user called Quake1028


"If you believe the parents are responsible You have to believe every one of these things is true

Sometime between 6 and 10, MM died, either by accident, or negligence/incompetence/malice of the parents

The parents, both respected doctors and by all accounts loving parents, decided to cover this up for some reason

If this happened before dinner, the parents are stone cold psychopaths who went out as if nothing at all happened

If it happened during dinner, the parents in maybe a 30-45 minute window found out, decided they had to hide her, disposed of/hid the body and:

Made sure there was no evidence that something happened. The only hard evidence really in this case at all that's not conjecture or theory or a disputed sighting is the two dogs. And there is no DNA or other evidence to back up the dogs. Not to mention, why would there be MM's DNA in a car they didn't rent until 25 days after she went missing? Refer to two points below.

Convinced anywhere between 3 and 9 people to go along with this, without having anyone break in the 13 years since.

Either dumped the body somewhere where it has never been found, or hid the body somewhere it was never found, for an undetermined amount of time, and if they hid the body, got to wherever they hid her, disposed of her, and got back without the press, who was following their every move, ever seeing anything, and without leaving any evidence behind in any place they could have reasonably have had access to that there was ever a dead body there. Possibly doing all this without even having the use of a car.

The parents, having gotten away with manslaughter/murder, have fought for 13 years to keep the case in the headlines, instead of just fading into the background at some point.

"
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on August 01, 2020, 12:48:PM
Made sure there was no evidence that something happened. The only hard evidence really in this case at all that's not conjecture or theory or a disputed sighting is the two dogs. And there is no DNA or other evidence to back up the dogs. Not to mention, why would there be MM's DNA in a car they didn't rent until 25 days after she went missing? Refer to two points below.

Can I also add to this point that the findings of cadaver odour dogs cannot be considered probative of anything in and of themselves, certainly not in an English criminal court.  If a well-trained dog does detect cadaver odour, drugs or gun residue, or whatever, on an individual or object or premises, then - depending on the situation - one or more individuals become suspects and they and/or their property and effects are searched, and the suspicion is then duly confirmed or not, depending on what is found. 

If, as a result of the search, the suspicion is supported by actual evidence, then the officers who conducted the personal search can be examined in court.  In contrast, a dog cannot talk and its evidence cannot be examined, and the videoed findings of a search using cadaver dogs can only be considered indicative at best for the purposes of an investigation.  It's not in itself serious evidence, especially if the findings are - as here - inchoate. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 01, 2020, 01:34:PM
You would not leave the patio door of apartment 5A unlocked and go out to a restuarant about 77 metres walk away from patio door to the tapas bar. Because if you did, you would also have had to leave the metal security shutter raised upper most, this is because the patio door cannot be locked from outside, and the mechanism for raising or lowering the shutter can only be operated from inside the apartment beyond the patio door.  If the McCanns left by the patio door method, and they had left the door itself unlocked, they wouldn't be able to exit the apartment by those means if the security shutter on the external side of the sliding patio door was fully lowered and locked down. If they did leave the apartment via the patio door, then the security shutter would have needed to be raised up as high  as required to enable the McCann parents to leave and return...

Now, having personally visited the site, in June 2010, the following facts fall to be considered:-

(1) - the suggestion that the McCanns and their friends wanted a table which allowed them to have a clear view (in the McCanns case) of the patio and the patio door, which they claim they had left unlocked, of course with its corresponding security shutter raised up. But from the dining tables in the restuarant, you cannot see the door, the security shutter, or the patio, because of obsticals blocking the view, from one place to the other, and vice versa. This being true, then why did the McCann parents and there friends make such a song and dance about it - in other words, why use the excuse that you need to be sitting at a dining table which provides a clear view of the unlocked patio door, the raised up security shutter, beyond which they abandoned their very own three young children? It just doesn't make any sense. Let's set the record straight, why would the parents tell the staff of the Ocean Club that they needed a dining table to enable them to watch over and keep an eye on an unlocked patio door, with its raised up security shutter, if they wouldn't have been able to see in any event? The fact in the matter, is that had someone entered or exited apartment 5A whilst the parents and the others were eating their evening meal, they wouldn't have been able to see that person do so. The McCanns would not have been able to tell whether the sliding patio door was open or closed. And, such a person entering or leaving the premises by those means, would know that anybody sat at a dining table at the tapas bar restuarant wouldn't be able to see them coming and going from the apartment. Additionally, any pedestrian walking either up or down the street, who looked toward the patio of 5A, would have a good inkling that the patio door would probably, or in certain circumstances, definitely know that the patio door was unlocked because of one or other, of the following reasons (a) the person had seen both parents leave their apartment by the patio door route, (b) they knew the parents were presently sat at a dining table at the tapas bar, and (c) the person knew that the patio door  in question could not be locked from outside the apartment. Furthermore, such a person would know that with the parents preoccupied with having their evening meal, that they could slink through the gated entrance of the concrete steps and up onto the patio of apartment 5A, and ultimately sneak inside by gently sliding the door open sufficiently in order to enter, and then slide the same door back into a shut position, without risk of being seen!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on August 01, 2020, 02:37:PM
Now, having personally visited the site, in June 2010, the following facts fall to be considered:-

I must admit that I have never visited the site, and I don't have your knowledge, Mike, as I have never had much of an interest in the case.  Therefore, I must defer to you on a lot of points.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2020, 03:14:AM
    What a coincidence?

Christian B, is suspected of sex crimes, that took place in Portugal and Germany. Sometimes he wore a face mask, during some of his attacks, and he also had possession of a machete I would also like to make mention of the significance of Jane Tanners alleged sighting of a man she saw at the road junction who was carrying a child in his arms, often referred to as 'TANNERMAN' A suspect with no facial details. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 04, 2020, 04:21:AM
Discarded inside the derelict building across the street from St Vincent's church at Pria De Luz, I found (amongst other things) an empty tube of 'BAYGON' insecticide. Associated with this product is the following image relied upon as part of  the advertisement for the product.

    (http://Screenshot_20200804-)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 05, 2020, 06:50:AM
The suspect (Christian B) is suspected of being responsible for brutal sex crimes inflicted upon women, and children wearing a mask, and of being in possession of a machete, or a similar weapon. As far as my instinct is concerned, there is a tentative link between the disappearence of Madeliene McCann, Jane Tanners 'TANNERMAN', sighting, the sex crime attacks on other victims, a masked intruder, machete or knife weilding psychopatic devil, the derelict building close to St Vincents church in Praia de Luz, the discovery of human bone, the shallow grave,  the 'ghost of Maddie' images,   discarded clothing - what a remarkable coincidence. Is it just a fluke that I pinpointed a key derelict building 10 years (June 2010) before the use of derelict building accommodation now known about Christian B' in Portugal and Germany at this late stage ( Wednesday the 4th August 2020)?


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 05, 2020, 12:53:PM
Gerald McCann, knows exactly what happened to his 3 year old daughter (they named her, Madeleine McCann), both parents were fully aware that there was a serious risk that something untoward, was about to happen to the innocent Madeliene....

Before, they all left the UK (28th Dpril 2007)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on August 06, 2020, 06:07:PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-italy-madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-rape-appeal-a9657006.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2020, 01:42:AM
Over a decade ago (June 2010), I drew the Portuguese authorities to the fact that a particular derelict building lay at the heart of Madeliene McCanns disappearence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2020, 12:38:PM
Over a decade ago (June 2010), I drew the Portuguese authorities to the fact that a particular derelict building lay at the heart of Madeliene McCanns disappearence.
I gave them what I considered to be a significant lead for the investigating officers to bring the case of child McCann to a conclusion. I sent all the photographs that I took showing views from outside the derelict building, from different parts of the rear garden, and also inside the premises. I believe that what I discovered on that one occasion that I physically stood inside and outside that property, that I discovered what appeared to be a shall grave located in a hollow, there was an iron bar laid alongside the grave  and a line of rock or stone which had been laid out it seemed, deliberately, stretching from the general area of the grave  going out towards the gardens sea wall. What struck me about this find was that almost everywhere in that rear garden, there were piles and piles of rubbish and garden waste thrown down, and because of this I remember pausing hovering on the bank of the hollow, and subsequently climbing down into the hollow to get a closer view of the grave - someone had buried something there, in the remotest part of the rear garden. I stood looking at the line of rocks and stone which took my gaze out and over the gardens rear sea wall, and then turned around 180° and I could sea the village church steeple  and its clock tower clock tower. I felt more than a little uneasy at that point. I took photographs every few seconds / minutes.On my way out of the hollow intending to have a look around inside the derelict building, I noticed what appeared to be a bone amongst some logs  and garden waste. I picked it up and placed it on top of a sawn off tree trunk, and photographed it. I left the bone there on top of the log, for the police to recover later on. I then entered the derelict building itself taking photographs all the while.I found items of clothing, a dark nylon kaghol type jacket, a pair of light blue Jean's, and a checked lumbermans woollen shirt which were altogether inside a yellow plastic bag under a pile of what appeared to be a discarded pile of broken / wooden doors. I removed these items of clothing from the carrier bag and placed them on the floor in slightly different positions and took photographs. In what appeared to have once been the main room of the derelict building items which indicates someone had been using or taking drugs there. There was also an empty wine bottle amongst other things discarded on the floor.On a table I saw an empty plastic tube of BAYGON Insecticide. I continued to take photographs. I also noticed that someone had put a line of kisses, or crosses, on or around a door frame, which reminded me of the row of rocks and stone which were laid out from the graveside in the hollow toward the rear gardens sea wall, it seemed to me that somebody was habitually keeping a record of something which had been or was continuing to recur. It did cross my mind to count the number of these chalk Mark's, and go back to the rock and stone between the shallow grave and the rear gardens sea wall, to see if they were of the same number, but thought better of the idea when I realised that I could do the counting of both once I checked the photographs I had taken which I would be doing upon my return to the UK. I remember seeing bottles, cans, and of course the empty tube of BAYGON Insecticide  and thinking that once the police turn up here, and find a buried body, or some other item of evidential value, that information contained in the bar codes of the bottles, cans and tubes, might lead to the police being able to identify who had purchased them  when and whether or not a bank card had been used to make the purchase of the goods. I eventually made my way into what I would call a bedroom - because on the floor of this room there was a disguarded single bed mattress where someone must have been sleeping rough on. The walls of this room were  pinkish in colour. At the window were net curtains which I took photographs of as well as photographing the bed mattress which was on the floor. At that stage I did not see anything of an unusual nature which I would have wanted to photograph. I then went to the rooms window, the next curtain had been pulled to one side or other as if it enable a person within the derelict building to peer out onto the street and the entrance to St Vincent's church. Instinctively I took photographs showing the view from inside the room of the derelict building towards the entrance of the village church - it made me realise that somebody inside the derelict building must have deliberately set the net curtains like that so that they could keep watch on anybody attending and eventually leaving the church. It would be interesting to find out whether or not the series of burglaries, and thefts at hotels and apartments, occurred when the victims were attending church services...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 09:55:AM
Here are some of the photographs I took in and around the derelict building, which were amongst the 100's I forward to the PJ in June 2010
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 10:40:AM
For a lot more views of photographs I took in and around Praia DE Luz and in particular involving my search of the derelict building and its grounds which I strongly believed in and by June 2010 to be linked to the disappearance  of Madeleine  McCann three years previously. Please 'Click on the following.links'..

(1)

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm

(2) - 

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski1.htm
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 03:06:PM
Please be aware of the following four coincidences, potentially giving an insight into any interaction, between (a) The McCann parents, (b) Christian B, one of his (c) official residencies in a particular derelict building in close proximity to the Ocean Club, (d) St Vincent's church in Praia de Luz, and the chilling discovery of a second derelict building a matter of yards from the village church where the McCann parents sought refuge from the press/media during the early days of the pj investigation (e) the smallish camper van he was known to be using at the time of Madeliene McCanns  disappearence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 03:13:PM
 (a) The McCann parents

Kate and Gerald McCann

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 03:15:PM
(b) Christian B, + one of his (c) official residencies in a particular derelict building in close proximity to the Ocean Club
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 03:16:PM
(d) St Vincent's church in Praia de Luz

and the chilling discovery of a second derelict building a matter of yards from the village church where the McCann parents sought refuge from the press/media during the early days of the pj investigation
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 03:18:PM
 (e) the smallish camper van he was known to be using at the time of Madeliene McCanns  disappearence?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 04:53:PM
The case of Madeleine McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 04:55:PM
The case of Madeleine McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 05:01:PM
The case of Madeleine McCann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 06:31:PM
The case of Madeleine McCann

Significant links have been discovered on a 'Universal Conscioussness' level, linking the McCann parents, Christian B, the church where the McCanns sought refuge from the media / press in general, a derelict building across the road from the village church in Praia de Luz, and two further matters involving another derelict building which Christian B was using until the time of Madiene McCanns alleged disappearence on the faked, 3rd May 2007 (first known a out) disappearence of the child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 06:46:PM
An extraordinary case.

I spent hundreds of hours tracking this with the help of some guys in Portugal.

I always work in to out on my assumptions, that is to say the closest route, insider knowledge and location to the crime. At one stage I came across some info that pointed towards the involvement of the parents. I emailed the relevant documentation to Leicestershire Constabulary.

The parents were totally to blame anyway, in as much that they left the children alone night after night - not to mention dropping them off at every available opportunity in the daytime, and perhaps, in doing so, created an opportunity for someone with knowledge of this.

I do not believe international gangs were involved in any way.

The police in Portugal believed, and still do believe, that the break-in to the apartment was fabricated by the McCanns.

I would be very interested to hear anyone's views on this - especially those of Mike Tesko who has taken some very good shots of the area.

Parents, Chrian B, village church, one of the derelict buildings suspect was living at until just before Madeliene  McCann  allegedly went missing ( when if the truth be known  she had been rescued from the parents custody two days earlier on the evening of 1st May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 08, 2020, 08:32:PM
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I have to be honest, if the McCanns took a lie detector test, and passed it, I would question my logic about this case...

The parents, friends and European ministers, must all hang their heads in shame!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 09, 2020, 01:39:PM
Mike Tesko, at scene where Maddie vanished from, in late April early May 2007:-

I visited apartment 5A, block 5, of the Ocean Club, Praia De Luz, Portugal in June 2010 (10 years ago)..
Title: Colour Codes Gold/yellow, white and Pink, linked to Madeliene McCann Case...
Post by: mike tesko on August 09, 2020, 11:14:PM
Gold/yellow and white Locations
_________________________________

Derelict building used as one of his (Christine B) bases in Praia De Luz

St Vincent's Church (Praia de Luz), situated  directly a cross the road, from a second derelict building (5A ) where (in June 2007) I discovered, a shallow grave dug out inside a hollow in the rear garden of the derelict premises. If you were stood on  the top of the grave you could see the Gold/Yellow and white steeple of St Vincent's church, in particular, its clock - this being the very same church where the McCann parents took refuge at the beginning of the police investigation into their daughters disappearence ( scripted to have taken place around 10.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007). Portuguese police later searched crypts underneath the church  because they believed the parents were responsible for disposing of their 3 year old body of their daughter by those means. Now, if I am right, that Christian B used the derelict building a cross the road from the village church, the Portuguese police were literally a stones throw away from the actual grave where the McCann child victim was laid to rest (in the shallow grave in the hollow of the rear garden of the derelict building

'DERELICT BUILDING suspect, Christian B was living in until the evening of 1st May 2007..

(gold/yellow and white)
Title: Re: Colour Codes Gold/yellow, white and Pink, linked to Madeliene McCann Case...
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2020, 07:50:PM
CAMPERVAN

(gold/yellow and white)
Title: Re: Colour Codes Gold/yellow, white and Pink, linked to Madeliene McCann Case...
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2020, 02:48:PM
ST VINCENT'S CHURCH (Praia De Luz)

(gold/yellow and white)
Title: Re: Colour Codes Gold/yellow, white and Pink, linked to Madeliene McCann Case...
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2020, 02:57:PM
CHAPLINS BAR

This was where the McCann parents, and some of their friends were boozing between  10.00pm and 1.00am on evening commencing 1st May 2007, whilst their three young children, were left alone back at, in apartment 5A. Worst yet  parents left the patio door unlocked, with its security shutter raised high and mighty, beckoning a monster or two, or more, to have access to any one, or two, or all three children! This was the night, Mrs Fenn heard a young child crying incessantly between about 10.30pm and 11.45pm, evening of 1st May 2007. Moreover, Mrs Fenn heard someone entering apartment 5A at about 12.45pm, that same evening, she describes how she heard the return of the parents, linked to the sound of their patio door being slid open (or closed)! Mrs Fenns evidence is very interesting and revealing, since she talks in terms of 'the return to apartment 5A, of the McCann parents, and that this coincided with the constant crying of a child ceasing instantly! This suggests that Mrs Fenn heard a man and a woman's voice at the material time..

But..

Were the couple, the McCann parents, or Christian B and a female accomplice?

Additionally, did Mrs Fenn overhear the patio door of apartment 5A being slid open at 11.45pm?

Or was it a case of her having heard the patio door being slid open from people inside, who had been there throughout the ordeal of a child crying?

The parents, would have heard one or more of their children crying, if it was the parents who had returned to their apartment at around 22.45pm, that evening, but both parents deny having any knowledge of one or more of their children crying!

Well, according to the McCann parents,  it wasn't until breakfast time, on 3rd May 2007, that Madeliene  asked of her parents why they hadn't returned to tend to them when Sean and Madeliene  had been crying?

Kate McCann says that she slept in the spare bed in the children's bedroom on the evening of 2nd May 2007, and reports nothing as sinister, as either sibling crying at any stage!

Rather curiously, Mrs Fenn did not hear a child crying at any stage during the evening, and the early hours of the morning, 2nd/3rd May 2007.

Now, what is also of interest, is that Mrs Fenn received some information from a friend of hers via telephone on the evening of 1st May 2007, to the effect that during the period when a distress child could be overtly overheard to be constantly crying, the noise of which was getting louder and louder with the passing of time, until 11.45pm, that evening, coinciding with the entry or exit of a man and a woman into or out of apartment 5A...

(gold/yellow and white)
Title: Re: Colour Codes Gold/yellow, white and Pink, linked to Madeliene McCann Case...
Post by: mike tesko on August 13, 2020, 02:59:PM
McCanns Apartment (Ocean Club)  5A

(gold/yellow and white)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 14, 2020, 05:27:PM
Mike Tesko, at scene where Maddie vanished from, in late April early May 2007:-

Forget the abduction script the parents and friends are pushing to the for, that Madeliene  was discovered missing from apartment 5A at around 10.00pm, on the evening of 3rd May 2007!
Title: Re: Colour Codes Gold/yellow, white and Pink, linked to Madeliene McCann Case...
Post by: mike tesko on August 16, 2020, 09:37:AM
Suspect (Christian B)  is believed to have used a gun to kill Madeliene McCann..

According to locals who knew him in Praia De Luz 2007, he always carried a gun in his waist belt (a pistol or a revolver).  Moreover, the evidence relating to a box of ammunition (yellow in colour) was discarded on a makeshift table inside the derelict building next door to the village church in Praia De Luz...

there looks like handwriting, 'a telephone number'.being written on the cover of the yellow cartridge case box which I photographed in the derelict building in June 2010..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2020, 07:30:AM
Mike, do you think there was an agreement by Gerry and Jane Tanner to come up with the smokescreen of someone seen carrying a child away? The Tapas 9 seemed reluctant to agree to any form of re-construction. Seemed to me that Jane Tanner changed her story each time that she told it - somewhat akin to Ms Mugford.

I truly believe that there is link between him (and Kate McCann), St Vincents local, church, the derelict building ('5 Ave Dos Pescadores', just across the street from the local church, items photographed inside rooms of the derelict building, the discovery of the shallow grave near to the sea wall in the back garden of the same derelict building, the discovery of a human bone in the rear garden of the same building, the presence of a used tube of 'Baygon' insecticide which I photographed (insitu) on a table inside a room which also had drug abuse equipment alongside, a wine bottle, a single bed mattress on the floor in a room which from the room window offered a clear view of St Vincents Church only a matter of Metres from it.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2020, 07:52:AM
The church at PDL was / is a favorite haunt of the McCann parents, and I believe that the child was buried in the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church...

This building, and these grounds were not searched by the police dogs during the investigation...

Two of the three Discarded articles of clothing that I discovered partially concealed in one of the derelict building rooms (5 Ave Dos Pescadores), matched clothing worn by a suspect who was seen standing across the street from the McCann parents apartment (5A Ocean club) in the days leading up to the alert being raised regarding Madeleine McCanns disappearence by 10 pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007. These items of clothing were a pair of blue denim jeans, and a dark coloured nylon type anorak! These articles of clothing were also worn by the suspicious activity of a man outside a phone box one or two days before the official alert being raised by their parents and friends.. It is interesting to note that this phone box, is located close to the road where the Smith contingent saw Gerald McCann carrying away Madeleine McCanns body at about 10.00am, on the evening of 3rd May 2007. Close to Kellys bar. Close to the derelict building (5A Ave Dos Pescadores), the local church (St Vincents), and the bar where the McCann parents and their friends were drinking from about 10.00pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, when a resident (from block 5, Ocean Club), reported the cries of a youngster crying constantly for a period of one hour and 45 minutes...

Madeleine McCann was not alive at all, inside the family apartment during 2nd and 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 30, 2020, 01:18:PM
Mike I need to ask you a question. When you walk around the apartment and enter the car park at the front can you see the window?

Yes,..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2020, 05:39:AM
The discoveries made by myself during my visit to Praia de Luz, Portugal, in June 2010 appear to be significant in the grand scheme of things. For example, the use/involvement of someone using the premises of 'a derelict building' (5 Ave Dos Pescadores) in the disposal of the childs remains, seems to me to have a massive relevance in view of the recent interest  in the latest suspect (2020), Christian B, by German Authorities. We now know, for example! that the latest suspect lived in another derelict building about a mile of so, from apartment 5A of the Ocean club where Madeleine McCann seemingly vanished. He has also holed up in vacated factories and buildings in Germany, and other countries...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2020, 06:02:AM
The discoveries made by myself during my visit to Praia de Luz, Portugal, in June 2010 appear to be significant in the grand scheme of things. For example, the use/involvement of someone using the premises of 'a derelict building' (5 Ave Dos Pescadores) in the disposal of the childs remains, seems to me to have a massive relevance in view of the recent interest  in the latest suspect (2020), Christian B, by German Authorities. We now know, for example! that the latest suspect lived in another derelict building about a mile of so, from apartment 5A of the Ocean club where Madeleine McCann seemingly vanished. He has also holed up in vacated factories and buildings in Germany, and other countries...

I am not yet convinced, that if the latest suspect had some involvement in disposing of the remains of the McCann child victim, that he acted alone! All indications that I am receiving from the 'Universal Conscienceness'' suggests that many other people were involved in the childs demise, and tragedy. If my sixth sense is anything to go by, it can't just be a coincidence that the McCann parents went and holed up inside the local church (St vincents) to avoid media attention after they reported her 'Taken' or 'gone' at around 10.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, with the crucial derelict building with its net curtains was a matter of metres away across the road from the same church...

Other clues which I discovered or found inside the grounds of the derelict buildings, and its rear garden was a rather suspicious looking shallow grave the location of which was within eyesight of the village church spire and clock.

Next to the grave, was a selection of stones/rocks which somebody had laid out in some sort of symbolic gesture...

I also found human re.ains in the form of a small bone amongst the piles and piles of garden waste and general rubbish...

Rather more astonishingly, I found articles of a mans clothing which had been concealed inside the premises. Two of these articles of clothing (a pair of blue Jean's, and a dark coloured nylon kaghool) were identical to clothing that was being worn by a man acting suspiciously outside the McCanns apartment on 1st and 2and May 2007. Elsewhere a man wearing the same clothing was observed acting suspiciously outside and inside a telephone kiosk close to Kelly's bar - the suspect on these occasions. Did so at about tea time on the 1st and 2nd May 2007, and did not appear again from the 3rd May onwards..
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on December 16, 2020, 02:28:PM
German prosecutors say they might be charging Christian B next year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55224904 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55224904)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 18, 2020, 01:30:PM
German prosecutors say they might be charging Christian B next year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55224904 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55224904)

Not sure what's going on but the McCann's don't seem happy with the German police remarks. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2020, 07:02:PM
Not sure what's going on but the McCann's don't seem happy with the German police remarks.

McCanns know that things went wrong, Madeleine was only supposed to be a symbolic sacrifice but she actually became a sacrifice, died and the satanist organisation involved with the McCann parents, and David Payne were aided and abetted by Mathew Oldfield, his sidekick, Russel O'Brien and JayneTanner, in covering up the actual day and time Madeleine allegedly went missing from apartment 5A...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2020, 07:08:PM
McCanns know that things went wrong, Madeleine was only supposed to be a symbolic sacrifice but she actually became a sacrifice, died and the satanist organisation involved with the McCann parents, and David Payne were aided and abetted by Mathew Oldfield, his sidekick, and JayneTanner, in covering up the actual day and time Madeleine allegedly went missing from apartment 5A...

Madeleine actually was taken by prior arrangement, on the evening of 1st May 2007, from apartment 5A, whilst the McCann parents and other members of their troop were at 'Chaplin's Bar' until around midnight 'two evenings prior to the occasion they fabricated her disappearence from apartment 5A, at around 10.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2020, 07:11:PM
When Madeleine had not been returned to the safe custody of the McCann parents at apartment 5A by evening of 2nd May 2007, the parents, David Payne, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, and Jayne Tanner became anxious and concerned that something serious had happened to the McCann child...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2020, 07:25:PM
Between midnight on 1st/2nd May 2007, the McCann parents were in contact via mobile phone, and the internet with those who handled Madeleine during the symbolic ceremony that was supposed to occur on the 1st May 2007, and for that matter, during and throughout the 2nd/3rd  May 2007, which incorporated the tapas bar nonsensical visits to check of the groups children (home alone victims)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2020, 07:32:PM
German police (authorities), already have the mobile phone records of all those involved in 'the arrangement' covering evening of1st/4th May 2007, and beyond, and are awaiting the results of an analysis of these, before the McCann parents, and some of their companions, are officially back in the firing line'

Madeleine McCann was almost certainly dead by the morning of Tuesday, 2nd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2020, 07:41:PM

Madeleine McCann was almost certainly dead by the morning of Tuesday, 2nd May 2007...

'walpurgus night', or 'May day' rituals lie at the heart of the Madeleine McCann (so called disappearence)...

Madeleine McCann was a child sacrifice, and she almost certainly died as a sacrifice at around midnight (1st/2 May 2007). She did not attend the creche or take part in any children's activities during 2nd or and third May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 19, 2020, 07:43:PM
'walpurgus night', or 'May day' rituals lie at the heart of the Madeleine McCann (so called disappearence)...

Madeleine McCann was a child sacrifice, and she almost certainly died as a sacrifice at around midnight (1st/2 May 2007). She did not attend the creche or take part in any children's activities during 2nd or and third May 2007..

She was already dead by breakfast time, Tuesday, 2nd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on December 19, 2020, 08:00:PM
Not sure what's going on but the McCann's don't seem happy with the German police remarks.

Since they are saying their daughter is dead, its not news any parents would be happy about. Plus they are not revealing details and thus leaving them clinging to hope they might be wrong. Which is kinda cruel if you ask me.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on December 19, 2020, 09:17:PM


This link here I down loaded from wikileaks, it gives a detailed analysis on why it is believed the McCanns are responsible.  https://file.wikileaks.org/file/madeleine-foundation-leaflet.doc

Contents

A. Introduction                                                                                       page 2

B. The 30 Key Reasons which suggest that
Madeleine was not abducted                                                               page 5

Reason 2: The evidence of the cadaver dogs                                      pages 6-9

Reason 4: The DNA evidence                                                             pages 11-13

Reason 7: The sheer impossibility of the abduction
  happening in the way it was claimed to have happened            pages 14-20

Reason 9: The McCanns’ false claim that the shutters
  had been jemmied open                                                                     pages 21-22

Reason 15: Making long-term plans to mark
  Madeleine’s alleged abduction                                                        pages 26-27

Reason 16: The constantly-changing stories of Jane Tanner     pages 27-30

Reason 18: The ‘Tapas 9’s ‘Pact of Silence’                                     pages 31-32

Reason 21: The dubious private detective agencies                     
  used by the McCanns                                                                        pages 33-37

C. 30 other reasons which suggest that
Madeleine was not abducted                                                             page 43


Appendix 1 - A summary of evidence of British government
involvement in the case of ‘missing’ Madeleine McCann            page 53

Appendix 2 - Sources of Information on the
Madeleine McCann case                                                                     page 60

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on December 20, 2020, 02:57:AM

This link here I down loaded from wikileaks, it gives a detailed analysis on why it is believed the McCanns are responsible.  https://file.wikileaks.org/file/madeleine-foundation-leaflet.doc

Contents

A. Introduction                                                                                       page 2

B. The 30 Key Reasons which suggest that
Madeleine was not abducted                                                               page 5

Reason 2: The evidence of the cadaver dogs                                      pages 6-9

Reason 4: The DNA evidence                                                             pages 11-13

Reason 7: The sheer impossibility of the abduction
  happening in the way it was claimed to have happened            pages 14-20

Reason 9: The McCanns’ false claim that the shutters
  had been jemmied open                                                                     pages 21-22

Reason 15: Making long-term plans to mark
  Madeleine’s alleged abduction                                                        pages 26-27

Reason 16: The constantly-changing stories of Jane Tanner     pages 27-30

Reason 18: The ‘Tapas 9’s ‘Pact of Silence’                                     pages 31-32

Reason 21: The dubious private detective agencies                     
  used by the McCanns                                                                        pages 33-37

C. 30 other reasons which suggest that
Madeleine was not abducted                                                             page 43


Appendix 1 - A summary of evidence of British government
involvement in the case of ‘missing’ Madeleine McCann            page 53

Appendix 2 - Sources of Information on the
Madeleine McCann case                                                                     page 60

The document you link to is not the same as the contents you summarise above.  There are only 10 reasons in the document, not 30.  Section C and the appendices are not in the document.

If the linked document is anything to go by, then personally I find the anti-McCann case rather unimpressive against the extravagant claims made.

Let's look at the 10 reasons:

Reason 1: Irrelevant.  Proves nothing.

Reason 2: Unreliable and of no value without additional supporting evidence.  Probably inadmissible anyway.

Reason 3: Irrelevant.  Proves nothing.

Reason 4: Nothing presented here demonstrates that the abduction scenario is "impossible".

Reason 5: Irrelevant.  Proves nothing.  Also selective, since the McCanns have assisted the police at times.

Reason 6: Total non-point.  If the McCanns had nothing to do with the abduction, then how would they know what the abductor did in the apartment?

Reason 7: So what?  Irrelevant.

Reason 8: Proves nothing, even if true.

Reason 9: Irrelevant, and probably misrepresentations anyway.

Reason 10: If Madeleine was abducted, she had no reason to wash 'Cuddle Cat' but also no incentive to do so.  Thus, the point is neutral.  The McCanns are not detectives.

I am neutral.  I am interested in facts and evidence that could form proof.  Based on that document, the anti-McCann camp ought to temper and moderate their claims.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on December 20, 2020, 06:16:AM
Quote
The document you link to is not the same as the contents you summarise above.  There are only 10 reasons in the document, not 30.  Section C and the appendices are not in the document.

Sorry posted wrong link, try this.

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/madeleine-foundation-book.doc


Here's the wikileak's file index where I found it.
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/?fbclid=IwAR1Jpo35xdaFKRJmxQSYmjZdG8OSxaaFV20k0TsZrcMrFbGQA6Ri6Qr2XDg
(scroll down)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on December 20, 2020, 07:57:AM
Sorry posted wrong link, try this.

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/madeleine-foundation-book.doc


Here's the wikileak's file index where I found it.
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/?fbclid=IwAR1Jpo35xdaFKRJmxQSYmjZdG8OSxaaFV20k0TsZrcMrFbGQA6Ri6Qr2XDg
(scroll down)

I will look at it and may comment.  It's a long document.  I've just had a skim through it and it seems pretty standard fare for Mr Bennett and friends (I assume he is the author).  Lots of conjecture based on assertions about what the McCanns did or didn't do; lots of assumptions about why the McCanns did this or that or didn't do the other; some of the usual armchair psychology; but, thin on the ground when it comes to real evidence - despite claiming otherwise. 

If I were a juror in a trial of the parents for homicide, fraud and concealment of the body, I would want to see some hard evidence.  Mr Bennett's suspicions and speculations would never reach an English criminal court - or at least, I hope not.

I am not saying there is no evidence.  That would be to go too far the other way.  There is some evidence that could - could - point to their involvement, and there are some aspects of their behaviour that do bother me. 

I think the crux of this case - at least, for the moment - is the assertion from Amaral, Bennett and others that an abduction was "impossible".  It is telling that despite all the noise, fire and smoke, we have never got beyond that question.  Based on what I know [I admit my case knowledge is limited], I do not believe "material impossibility" has been established, which is one of the reasons I am inclined provisionally to side with the parents.  Though to be fair, it needn't be impossibility.  Heavy improbability could be enough, but I don't believe that is established either.  If it were, then I agree that the McCanns could - again, only could - be convicted by default.

I have my own approach to true crime cases, which is:

(i). Start with agreed facts and common ground and work from there.

(ii). If there are identifiable suspects or a convicted offender protesting his innocence, look for innocent explanations and opportunities to give him/them the benefit of the doubt.  This allows the case against him/them to be 'stress-tested'.

(iii). Only 'convict' on solid evidence, certain that the person did it, knowing that any remaining doubt is residual and does not go to the core of the case.  A red flag is when a case relies on lots of assumptions about motives, conjectures and 'psychologising' and lots of 'fill in the gaps' arguments.  By analogy, we're told that Jeremy is a monster because he had a heavy breakfast and grinned at the funeral, which is well suspicious.  And that Hugo Boss suit!  In the matter of McCann, Bennett's scarlet memos are full of such things.  It could be that he does have something, but in my view he weakens his position with these irrelevancies.  Less is more.

Yes, they're an odd pair.  Yes, probably they've given a misleading story about their child-minding endeavours. But the question remains: Where's the beef?  At the moment, there isn't any.

You'll excuse me, but when it comes to locking people up for years on end, I have high standards.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on December 20, 2020, 08:18:AM
I don't think the case will ever be solved until Maddie's remains are found. Until then it's all speculation be it the McCanns, the German pedo, the Podestas etc.

 Mike's theories are interesting regarding the adjacent derelict buildings & wasteland. I would assume that area would have been the first to have been searched with a fine tooth comb.

Ironically an abduction would have as many difficulties as getting rid of the body. As in removing Maddie from the premises.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on December 20, 2020, 08:30:AM
I don't think the case will ever be solved until Maddie's remains are found. Until then it's all speculation be it the McCanns, the German pedo, the Podestas etc.

 Mike's theories are interesting regarding the adjacent derelict buildings & wasteland. I would assume that area would have been the first to have been searched with a fine tooth comb.

Ironically an abduction would have as many difficulties as getting rid of the body. As in removing Maddie from the premises.

I'm not sure.  In England, the authorities can in law bring a homicide prosecution without a body or remains, and that has happened, and I would assume the situation is similar in Portugal.  I think the English courts would also theoretically have jurisdiction if the Portuguese refuse to prosecute the McCanns and/or whatever other individuals, since English criminal courts will claim universal jurisdiction in all but certain specific circumstances, and the McCanns are British citizens.

Again, based on my admittedly limited case knowledge, for me the crux of all this is the viability of the abduction theory.  If it can be shown that abduction was a "material impossibility", then there must be a basis to prosecute the McCanns for homicide (probably manslaughter), fraud and concealment, as their involvement is then the default explanation.  If the child had simply wandered off - the third possibility - she would have been found.  Whether a prosecution on that tenuous basis could - or should - be successful is another matter, but there would be a case to answer.

The German authorities have a suspect, however (as a German speaker) my understanding of what the public prosecutor has been saying is different to everybody else.  What the prosecutor actually says is that there is a suspect and a potential case, but it is not a certainty.  The British media's reporting has been misleading. To my knowledge (I don't follow this case really, so I may have missed it), no statement has been made that the authorities are charging the suspect or that there is definitely a solid case to answer.  Thus, I'm wondering what, if anything, the authorities in Braunschweig have on suspect CB.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2020, 09:57:AM
She was already dead by breakfast time, Tuesday, 2nd May 2007...

1. The 3 national mobile telephone operators (TMN, Vodaphone and Optimus) be requested to provide digital support (CD or DVD) with the complete listings of telephone traffic referring to the calls received and made during the period of time from 28th April 2007 t0 9th September 2007 including mobile phone location and trace back, as well as roaming calls and SMS and MMS messages and their respective contents for the following phone numbers:

- 00447786986188 Gerald McCann
- 00447903108397 Kate Healy
- 00447748844837 David Payne
- 00447796272586 Fiona Payne
- 00447790327853 Diane Webster
- 00447713258795 Russell O’Brien
- 00447808584191 Jane Tanner
- 00447771591456 Matthew Oldfield
- 00447818520047 – telephone number that has not yet been identified, which on 2nd May 2007 sent 14 written SMS messages to Gerald McCann and another 4 on the day following Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.


Robert Murat ?
Sergei Malinka ?
Robert Murat ?
Christian B ?


(Additional names will appear here, once things become a little clearer, including names of key Ocean Club staff, maintenance men, drivers, cleaners, child care operatives, chefs, barmen and the priest who was in charge of St Vincents local church where the McCann parents took refuge at night to avoid being hounded by the media /press)..

Phones belonging to them, or used by them during the same periods above...

Whilst ever those who are involved in this tragedy keep gilding the lily by falsely making out that Madeleine went missing between about 9.00am - 10.00am, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, no evidence will ever emerge that could be used to prosecute them in connection with Madeleine McCanns so called disappearence..

Madeleine McCanns fate was sealed on the evening of the 1st May 2007, whilst the McCann parents and their friends were out drinking down in 'Chaplin's Bar', next to the village church (St Vincents), and the derelict building (no. 5) situated across the road...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2020, 10:23:AM
I don't think the case will ever be solved until Maddie's remains are found. Until then it's all speculation be it the McCanns, the German pedo, the Podestas etc.

 Mike's theories are interesting regarding the adjacent derelict buildings & wasteland. I would assume that area would have been the first to have been searched with a fine tooth comb.

Ironically an abduction would have as many difficulties as getting rid of the body. As in removing Maddie from the premises.

But,that's just it, the derelict building and its rear garden which was  close to the local church where the McCann parents took refuge, was not searched at all, until possibly after June 2010, if at all...

The Portuguese police did not know that at the back of the derelict buildings rear garden there was a shallow grave which had been dug by someone and that its precise location was within site of the church clock tower built on hallowed ground! To be considered is why anybody would dig a shallow grave at such a precise location, in a garden where waste was piled up high all over the place. Whoever dug that grave wanted to hide something of significance, otherwise whatever they were disposing of, would have simply been tossed amongst all the other waste and rubbish...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2020, 10:41:AM

The Portuguese police did not know that at the back of the derelict buildings rear garden there was a shallow grave which had been dug by someone and that its precise location was within site of the church clock tower built on hallowed ground! To be considered is why anybody would dig a shallow grave at such a precise location, in a garden where waste was piled up high all over the place. Whoever dug that grave wanted to hide something of significance, otherwise whatever they were disposing of, would have simply been tossed amongst all the other waste and rubbish...

What happened to that piece of human bone that I discovered and photographed in the grounds of the rear garden of that derelict building? Did the Portuguese police visit the derelict building and its grounds and seize it? Also clothing which matched that of a suspect seen hanging around suspiciously  near to the McCann apartments poolside walled garden on evening of 1st May 2007?

Who were the Man and Woman seen entering the McCann apartment via the unlocked patio door on the night when Madeleine or one of the other children was continually crying? I thought the McCann parents said that they did not start using and leaving the sliding patio door unlocked until the evening of 2nd May 2007, because they thought that by continuing to use the lockable/ unlockable roadside door it might disturb the children?

How did the as yet unidentified man and woman enter the McCann apartment via the patio door, which could not be locked from outside?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 20, 2020, 03:36:PM

How did the as yet unidentified man and woman enter the McCann apartment via the patio door, which could not be locked from outside?

Mrs Fenn (Occupant in apartment above McCanns apartment in 5a), got it almost spot on when she described the persistent crying of a toddler coming from the McCann apartment, from between 10.30pm and 11.45pm on the evening of 1st May 2007. Since, at around 10.00pm that same night, rather than the McCann parents and their friends returning back to their respective apartments in block five,  they all cantered down to 'Chaplin's Bar' for late night drinks and revelling. The McCann parents did not return to their apartment until gone midnight (2nd May 2007). Contrary to Mrs Fenn believing that she heard the patio door slide open which coincided with the distressful crying of the toddler stopping, and it being the return of the parents from their late evening binge drinking and cavorting, it beggars belief that the parents would have entered apartment 5A, at what ever time they did arrive back to their apartment, because they did not start leaving the sliding patio door of apartment 5a open until the evening of 2nd May 2007 ( the evening prior to them deciding to break the news that Madeleine had been 'taken', by 'them' on evening of 3rd May 2007)..

I do believe that Mrs Fenn did hear the patio door to apartment 5a, slide open at about 11.45pm, on 1st May 2007, but that it couldn't have been the McCann parents who entered their apartment through the sliding patio door on the poolside of apartment 5a, because as I have pointed out already, the McCann parents did not start leaving the patio door on the poolside of the building until the evening of 2nd May 2007. The parents would have to enter their apartment via the lockable/unlockable  roadside door, on the carpark side of the premises...

If the parents had entered apartment 5a via the lockable/unlockable roadside door on the evening of 1st May 2007, they could then have go on to open the locked sliding patio door from inside the living room, by sliding it open (but for what reason or purpose)? It is possible that it was no coincidence that the crying child stopped crying at the time the patio door slid open, and that Mrs Fenn heard a toddler calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'. But, if that had been the parents returning, then surely both of them would have heard the toddler crying as soon as they returned to their apartment. This makes me wonder whether or not the people who came to collect Madeleine from apartment 5a, had a duplicate pass key for the roadside door of apartment 5a block five, and that at 11.45pm they left the apartment (5a) taking Madeleine with them, out through the sliding patio door..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 21, 2020, 01:49:PM
What happened to that piece of human bone that I discovered and photographed in the grounds of the rear garden of that derelict building? Did the Portuguese police visit the derelict building and its grounds and seize it? Also clothing which matched that of a suspect seen hanging around suspiciously  near to the McCann apartments poolside walled garden on evening of 1st May 2007?

Who were the Man and Woman seen entering the McCann apartment via the unlocked patio door on the night when Madeleine or one of the other children was continually crying? I thought the McCann parents said that they did not start using and leaving the sliding patio door unlocked until the evening of 2nd May 2007, because they thought that by continuing to use the lockable/ unlockable roadside door it might disturb the children?

How did the as yet unidentified man and woman enter the McCann apartment via the patio door, which could not be locked from outside?

I truly believe that there was/has been political interference in the circumstances surrounding Madeleine McCanns demise...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 23, 2020, 03:46:PM
I do find the prime suspect in Maddy's disappearance, Christian Brückner, difficult to analyse. Some of his crimes, such as breaking and entering and stealing items of value seem opportunistic, whilst others ascribed to him including Maddy, René Hasee, Carola Titze and Inge Gehricke may have an element of planning about them. The rape of a 72-year-old woman, for which he still remains incarcerated, shows he needs control whilst possessing an uncontrollable sexual urge leading to bestiality, which along with his criminally-minded brain may be a reason for this particular crime, which on the surface does seem incongruous given the age of the other victims. Of course he may not be guilty of any of the former.

His background might not surprise anyone who studies crime. An adoptee from an early age, a wayward youth who became involved in petty crime after his stepfather was invalided and stepmother unable to cope, taken out of mainstream education and placed in a reform school for two years. Upon release in 1995 he heads to the Algarve aged 18 and takes a job as a catering assistant.

What is it with him that makes him unable to form stable relationships with members of either sex? No affection, no release valve, just bumming around in his campervan looking for unprincipled ways to make money, affording him the chance to satisfy abnormal sexual fantasies, to destroy the lives of anyone who is having fun in a family setting, the family he was deprived of when he was growing up and which he believed was his right?

This is Amoreira beach, where René Hasee disappeared. There may be no link to Maddy or to Christian B. But it does seem a strange coincidence nevertheless, one year after his arrival in Portugal and only a few months after release from a sexual abuse charge of a young girl in Wurzburg. https://youtu.be/7_E5niv9wYg

Was he lying in wait in his vehicle on the cliff edge with binoculars, waiting to pounce as the family had spent a full day in the resort, biding his time as the little boy ran towards the ocean with mother momentarily distracted as she navigated the steps from the restaurant, the paedophile scooping him up in his arms with a few soothing words in German and the promise of an ice cream cone to allay suspicions, the ingenuous youngster not knowing what diabolical fate awaited him as he was conveyed to the campervan above?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2020, 12:50:PM
https://www.dw.com/en/difficult-to-escape-abusive-satanic-cults-exist-in-the-shadows-of-society/a-5904978

https://www.dw.com/en/the-devil-made-me-do-it/a-423655

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-germany-devil-walpurgis/walpurga-faust-satan-vie-for-souls-on-german-mountain-idUSKBN0DH2S620140501

https://www.science.gov/topicpages/s/satanic+ritual+abuse

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8JVmDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112&dq=satanic+rituals+celebrated+in+germany+and+portugal&source=bl&ots=cQm-xLJl-U&sig=ACfU3U1ZrQ54y_x7s8vMp1o9YqSovrzw_w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje0eKH2ObtAhXWXRUIHZkXAbg4ChDoATAEegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=satanic%20rituals%20celebrated%20in%20germany%20and%20portugal&f=false

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2020, 04:18:PM
German authorities are understood to have investigated common links with an international satanic movement, group, pedophilia, wife swapping, sexual abuse, and child sacrifice existence - they have a positive link between some members of the tapas 9 group (inclusive of Gerald McCann, David Payne, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield,  Jane Tanner, Robert Murat, Sergei Malinka, and some members of staff who were working at the Mark Warner Ocean Club at the time news broke regarding Madeleine McCanns demise, was reported..

ALSO CONFIRMED, is a positive Link between an EU Commissioner, who was present in a nearby apartment block (3) around the time of Madeleine McCanns  disappearence, inexplicably linked to Mrs Fenn and a young woman name 'Edna ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2020, 04:30:PM
German authorities are understood to have investigated common links with an international satanic movement, group, pedophilia, wife swapping, sexual abuse, and child sacrifice existence - they have a positive link between some members of the tapas 9 group (inclusive of Gerald McCann, David Payne, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield,  Jane Tanner, Robert Murat, Sergei Malinka, and some members of staff who were working at the Mark Warner Ocean Club at the time news broke regarding Madeleine McCanns demise, was reported..

ALSO CONFIRMED, is a positive Link between an EU Commissioner, who was present in a nearby apartment block (3) around the time of Madeleine McCanns  disappearence, inexplicably linked to Mrs Fenn and a young woman name 'Edna ...

To date, there has been no witness statements as part of the McCann PJ files, which poses the question as to whether or not, the 'EUCommissioner', and the Young woman, were the couple who were seen to enter the McCann apartment, on the evening of 1st May 2007, when Mrs Fenn heard a toddler crying continually between around 10.30pm and 11.45pm, on that particular evening!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2020, 04:39:PM
German authorities, have also  obtained confirmation of a tentative link between Bruckner and Robert Murat. Murat dealt in the refurbishment and sales of run down and derelict buildings..Bruckner often stayed in derelict buildings and the German authorities are currently looking into the possibility that Gerald McCann and Bruckner met on two or more occasions at the derelict building across the road from St Vincents church (where the McCann parents sought shelter in an attempt to keep out of the attention of the media and newspaper clans that were on the scene from a very early stage)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 01, 2021, 07:48:AM
https://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.com/2010/07/are-gerry-and-kate-mccann-really.html

THE SATANIC ELITE AND CHILD ABDUCTION
[...]" THE WORLD IS DANGEROUS TO LIVE IN NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF EVIL, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO WON'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST IT..." - ALBERT EINSTEIN

SUNDAY, JULY 25, 2010
Are Gerry and Kate McCann really controlled by the satanic illuminati?

Gerry and Kate McCann are accused of allowing the abduction of their daughter Madeleine by the illuminati

The wonder on whether or not the McCann's are controlled by the satanic illuminati and that the kidnapping of their daughter Madeleine is the result of that has been circulating in cyberspace for sometime. We have been aware of this claim but were reluctant to reach conclusions [as some people have done] on an accusation that has not been proven yet, and therefore, inappropriate to make assertions on it without any evidence. Our writing and publishing principles prohibit us from doing this.

What has motivated us to write and publish this piece now is some contents in a comment made by one reader of an article by Henry Makow published at his website entitled "Crazed MI-5 and MI-6 wreak havoc for the illuminati" that you can read at www.henrymakow.com/mi-5_and_mi-6_wreak_havoc_for.html. The comment by the reader "Chris" reads as follows:


"The parents of Madeleine McCann were part of an illuminati mind control ring themselves. They know exactly what happened to her but were powerless to stop it.  I was already aware that by allowing their daughter to be kidnapped, the McCann's were unable to avoid obeying the orders of their illuminati controllers.  I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider, paedophile, degenerate, former President of Portugal, and leader of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso.  This is one reason why the abduction of Madeleine was conveniently arranged to take place in Portugal, and the other is that the police could be relied upon to make a total botch of the 'investigation' into Maddy's disappearance since most of the senior officers as well as the great majority of government ministers, are members of the same paedophile elite ring that Barroso belongs to.  I have to confess that I was not previously aware that Maddy McCann is now dead, but I am not surprised since as long as she remained alive, there was always a risk of the truth leaking out in some way. Moreover, being now aware of the background of both Barroso and the McCann's the manner of Maddy's death in a ritual blood sacrifice to Satan also has a degree of perversion.  Finally, no informed researcher is aware of the fact that the misperceived Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling is also an illuminati member and Satanist, who is regularly called upon by the council of thirteen to don her witches garb, and to act as mistress of ceremonies whenever supreme knowledge and imperfection of the Satanic 'art' is imperative. Ms. Rowling was present at the rite in which Madeleine died and her reward offer [after Madeleine's kidnapping] was all even more sickening."


We do not endorse all the affirmations made by the author nor do we take his written words at face value because he fails to show with conclusive evidence that everything he wrote is true beyond doubt. However,   we do identify and agree with parts of his writings related to the likely involvement in the abduction of Madeleine McCann by prominent political figures in Portuguese society, including former president Jose Manuel Barroso, and members of the officialdom occupying high positions in government and society. You may or may not know it, but the depth of official corruption and perversion prevailing in Portugal is a well-documented fact that you can verify anytime, and it is based on this fact that we concluded in June 2007 that Madeleine McCann was kidnapped on behalf of one or more individuals in the Portuguese elite class acting behind the scenes and for an specific purpose, and we still maintain this position today based on our knowledge of Portugal, and by extension, Spain too in view of their similarities.

There are two parts in the comment written by the reader of Henry Makow's article which we are in tune with.  The first one reads like this:

[…] "I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider, paedophile, degenerate, former President of Portugal, and leader of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso."

No one here can nor will attest to the author's thesis on Mr. Barroso, but we are nevertheless, entitled to think and believe whatever we want and exercise this right anywhere and anytime. We believe that Mr. Barroso is an evil, corrupt, amoral, and perverted man capable of sexually abusing a little girl. We have arrived at this belief based on the social reality of his native Portugal and on the amount of information available at websites, blogs, forums, and other non-conventional sources of knowledge regarding him personally and the European Commission [EC] which he preside at the time of this writing. There are several credible sources exposing him and the EC but the most outstanding one is the World Reports Agency [http://worldreports.org] led by renowned veteran investigative journalist Christopher Story. Mr. Story is a professional exceeding the requirements anyone would need to directly accuse Mr. Barroso of ordering the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, as he did by publishing the information on his website for the world to see. Beside high quality investigative journalism, his curriculum includes a solid background in intelligence work at the service of the British government for many years, among other outstanding credentials that place him in a position of credibility in matters of this nature.  In addition, Mr. Story has also exposed the EC in ways others are not doing [that we know of] regarding the internal hidden reality of that place he once called a "paedophile criminal organization." We agree with Mr. Story's assessment of the EC.  In numerous videos, articles, and in other forms of expression he has shed light on the sinister and chilling dark side of the EC which he once referred to as "the devil's pit" from where some of the most evil criminal plans of perversion and even murder, were conceived and carried out against innocent children. Mr. Barroso may not be the actual executioner of criminal plans but he may be involved from behind the scenes as he was in the case of Madeleine McCann according to Mr. Story. We take his investigative journalism work seriously and give a degree of credibility to his reports, but this does not mean that we blindly accept everything he writes and publishes. However, this case is exceptional for different reasons including the deep political and personal implications that arose when he publicly accused Mr. Barroso of ordering the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann.  Mr. Barroso became aware of the serious accusations made against him yet he did nothing to clear his name and position as President of the EC. His silence triggers even greater suspicions and rise more questions regarding this rather tumultuous affair.   

The second part in the comment written by the reader of Henry Makow's article is also compatible with our line of thinking on this case.  It reads like this:

[…] "This is one reason why the abduction of Madeleine was conveniently arranged to take place in Portugal, and the other is that the police could be relied upon to make a total botch of the 'investigation' into Maddy's disappearance, since most of the senior officers as well as the great majority of government ministers, are members of the same paedophile elite ring that Barroso belongs to."

By now everyone following up on this case knows about the cover-up theory that Madeleine died in the room where she was sleeping and that her parents hid the corpse to avoid responsibility.  We don't know if in fact the abduction of Madeleine was "conveniently arranged to take place in Portugal" as the author asserts but do know -as well as you- that the "investigation" into her disappearance was a total farce, a fact everyone knows by now.

With regards to the paedophile affliction that Portugal suffers from at the highest level of government and society, this pathetic reality is so deeply entrenched that it has become part of the national folklore many are even "proud" of and defend with great zeal. The depth of Portugal's sickness is not easily imaginable in the English speaking world due to language and cultural differences, but people need to see it the way it really is and not only as a country with warm climate and sunny beaches.  The same applies to Spain where corruption and perversion is at core level in a society where extreme right wing gangsters are actually running the country with impunity in a two-party system. Spain and Portugal are under total illuminati control thanks in part to the legacy inherited by the historical and contemporary presence of Jews in both countries. Additionally, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, president of the Spanish government at the time of this writing is a well-known Mason and very loyal to his ideological commitments and subordinated to those in control. Mr. Zapatero and Queen Sofia de Bourbon along with other prominent figures in the country's political and social life were present at the last Bilderberg meeting held in Catalonia. These facts shed light on a reality that is kept hidden from the public, and replaced with a constant and sickening nuisance praising the monarchy as the "saviour" from the wrath of former fascist dictator Francisco Franco as a daily consumption in the Zionist controlled mass media.

What we have outlined here is compatible with our idea that behind the abduction and disappearance of Madeleine McCann, are powerful individuals in the Portuguese elite class linked to the satanic illuminati now being aided and protected by a herd of morons, who became guided drones in an idiotic mission to protect the interest of a perverted and sick paedophile criminal cabal who prey on innocent children. These drones are very conscious of what they are doing and can be categorized as enemies of the common people for their support of evil, and should be dealt with very severely when the objective conditions are present. Supporting the false theory that Madeleine died in the room where she was sleeping and that her parents hid the body, plus being an active participant in a campaign to derail the search for the child, are actions favourable to those who are ultimately responsible for the crime, regardless of whether or not the abduction and disappearance of Madeleine was the result of her parents being controlled by the illuminati satanic cult, as some people assert but without showing any credible proof to support their claim.

Regarding the rest of the contents in the comment made by the reader of Henry Makow's article, including the alleged presence of Joanne Kathleen Rowling in a satanic blood ritual where Madeleine supposedly died, we apply the same conclusion as we did on the other claims and don't think additional elaborations are necessary in that and other areas of the comment.               

 

   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 01, 2021, 03:15:PM
https://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.com/2010/07/are-gerry-and-kate-mccann-really.html

THE SATANIC ELITE AND CHILD ABDUCTION
[...]" THE WORLD IS DANGEROUS TO LIVE IN NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF EVIL, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO WON'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST IT..." - ALBERT EINSTEIN

SUNDAY, JULY 25, 2010
Are Gerry and Kate McCann really controlled by the satanic illuminati?

Gerry and Kate McCann are accused of allowing the abduction of their daughter Madeleine by the illuminati

The wonder on whether or not the McCann's are controlled by the satanic illuminati and that the kidnapping of their daughter Madeleine is the result of that has been circulating in cyberspace for sometime. We have been aware of this claim but were reluctant to reach conclusions [as some people have done] on an accusation that has not been proven yet, and therefore, inappropriate to make assertions on it without any evidence. Our writing and publishing principles prohibit us from doing this.

What has motivated us to write and publish this piece now is some contents in a comment made by one reader of an article by Henry Makow published at his website entitled "Crazed MI-5 and MI-6 wreak havoc for the illuminati" that you can read at www.henrymakow.com/mi-5_and_mi-6_wreak_havoc_for.html. The comment by the reader "Chris" reads as follows:


"The parents of Madeleine McCann were part of an illuminati mind control ring themselves. They know exactly what happened to her but were powerless to stop it.  I was already aware that by allowing their daughter to be kidnapped, the McCann's were unable to avoid obeying the orders of their illuminati controllers.  I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider, paedophile, degenerate, former President of Portugal, and leader of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso.  This is one reason why the abduction of Madeleine was conveniently arranged to take place in Portugal, and the other is that the police could be relied upon to make a total botch of the 'investigation' into Maddy's disappearance since most of the senior officers as well as the great majority of government ministers, are members of the same paedophile elite ring that Barroso belongs to.  I have to confess that I was not previously aware that Maddy McCann is now dead, but I am not surprised since as long as she remained alive, there was always a risk of the truth leaking out in some way. Moreover, being now aware of the background of both Barroso and the McCann's the manner of Maddy's death in a ritual blood sacrifice to Satan also has a degree of perversion.  Finally, no informed researcher is aware of the fact that the misperceived Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling is also an illuminati member and Satanist, who is regularly called upon by the council of thirteen to don her witches garb, and to act as mistress of ceremonies whenever supreme knowledge and imperfection of the Satanic 'art' is imperative. Ms. Rowling was present at the rite in which Madeleine died and her reward offer [after Madeleine's kidnapping] was all even more sickening."


We do not endorse all the affirmations made by the author nor do we take his written words at face value because he fails to show with conclusive evidence that everything he wrote is true beyond doubt. However,   we do identify and agree with parts of his writings related to the likely involvement in the abduction of Madeleine McCann by prominent political figures in Portuguese society, including former president Jose Manuel Barroso, and members of the officialdom occupying high positions in government and society. You may or may not know it, but the depth of official corruption and perversion prevailing in Portugal is a well-documented fact that you can verify anytime, and it is based on this fact that we concluded in June 2007 that Madeleine McCann was kidnapped on behalf of one or more individuals in the Portuguese elite class acting behind the scenes and for an specific purpose, and we still maintain this position today based on our knowledge of Portugal, and by extension, Spain too in view of their similarities.

refer to following links..

MI-5 and MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati by Henry ...
whale.to/b/mi5a.html
by Henry Makow Ph.D. Blogs by people claiming to be former MI-5 and MI-6 agents paint a sordid picture of criminality: state terrorism, rape, torture, mind control, murder and pedophilia in the service of the Illuminati. The main blog is called "Richard Tomlinson and the Russians" but there are a dozen more listed. Taken together with the Comments, they provide a hair-raising picture of crimes ...

s o s: Crazed MI-5 and MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati
https://sos-at.blogspot.com/2009/05/crazed-mi-5-and-mi-6-wreak-havoc...
Crazed MI-5 and MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati by Henry Makow Ph.D. Blogs by people claiming to be former MI-5 and MI-6 agents paint a sordid picture of state terrorism, rape, torture, mind control, murder and pedophilia in the service of the Illuminati.

henrymakow.com - Exposing Feminism and The New World Order
https://www.henrymakow.com
Talk 5 Talk 6 Talk 7 Talk 8 5 Must See Videos. In the Shadow of Hermes (Jyri Lina) The Whole Story of Zionism (Rev. Ted Pike) Illuminati and the CFR - Myron Fagan (1967) Marching to Zion. William Guy Carr- …

Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati ...
www.federaljack.com/crazed-mi-5-mi-6-wreak-havoc-for-the-illuminati
(HenryMakow) – Blogs by people claiming to be former MI-5 and MI-6 agents paint a sordid picture of state terrorism, rape, torture, mind control, murder and pedophilia in the service of the Illuminati. The main blog is called “Richard Tomlinson and the Russians” but there are a dozen more listed. Taken together with Comments by insiders, they tell a hair-raising tale of mayhem perpetrated by these …

the paddy fields view: Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for ...
https://thepaddyfieldsview.blogspot.com/2013/05/crazed-mi-5-mi-6-wreak...
Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati -Part 2 Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati - henrymakow.com. at May 13, 2013. Email This BlogThis! Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest. No comments: Post a comment.

Crazed MI-5 and MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8o7pj/crazed_mi5_and_mi6...
r/conspiracy: **The conspiracy subreddit is a thinking ground. Above all else, we respect everyone's opinions and ALL religious beliefs and creeds …

"The Royal Arch" Sociopaths Who Rule ... - HenryMakow.com
https://www.savethemales.ca/maltese-paedophile-network.html
(Thousands of children like Madeleine McCann, left, are abducted every year for purposes of Illuminati pedophilia and mind control.) The link between pedophilia, torture and disassociation is the explained reason why The Royal Arch is interested in pedophilia. The Royal Arch is a Masonic order. It is the Illuminati.Contrary to the popular image, many MI-6


Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati ...
https://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2018/10/crazed-mi-5-mi-6-wreak-havoc...
Bloggers claiming to be ex-Intelligence Agentssay Putin was a member of the Royal Arch Lodgeand a puppet. by Henry Makow Ph.D. (from May 28, 2009) Blogs by people claiming to be former MI-5 and MI-6 agents paint a sordid picture of state terrorism, rape, torture, mind control, murder and pedophilia...

"Sex Cult" Runs UK Government, says MI-6 Victim
whale.to/c/sexcult1.html
MI-6 MK ULTRA: a UK Survivor's Story (Part 1) ... (Background here "MI5/6 Wreak Havoc for Illuminati") by Red Ox (henrymakow.com) A WORD ON JOHN SAWERS . Current chief of MI-6 is Sir John Sawers. First revelation on him: I'm married to his daughter Corinne - Twice! (MI-6 Director Sawers and family. Corinne on left) Well, not really of course. But the Royal Arch did hold two fake weddings when ...

The Good Guys Will Win Ha: Crazed MI5 and MI6 wreak havoc ...
https://afterarmageddon7.blogspot.com/2009/05/crazed-mi5-and-mi6-wreak...
Crazed MI5 and MI6 wreak havoc for the Illuminati. Don't miss the site list at the bottom. - Ed. by Henry Makow Ph.D. Blogs by people claiming to be former MI-5 and MI-6 agents paint a sordid picture of state terrorism, rape, torture, mind control, murder and pedophilia in the service of the Illuminati. The main blog is called "Richard Tomlinson and the Russians" but there are a dozen more ...

The Lost Marketing Ploy: May 2011
https://thelostmarketingploy.blogspot.com/2011/05
Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati. Post by ButlinCat. May 28, 2009 by Henry Makow Ph.D. Blogs by people claiming to be former MI-5 and MI-6 agents paint a sordid picture of state terrorism, rape, torture, mind control, murder and pedophilia in the service of the Illuminati. The main blog is called "Richard Tomlinson and the Russians" but there are a dozen more listed. Taken ...

Mi5/mi6 - David Icke's Official Forums
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=251277
21/07/2013 · Mi5/mi6 Exposing Child Abuse. David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > Exposing Child Abuse: Mi5/mi6

MI-5 & MI-6 Abdi Illuminati | Rahasia DuniaTranslate this page
https://rahasia2-dunia.blogspot.com/2012/04/mi-5-mi-6-abdi-illuminati.html
08/04/2012 · Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati. Oleh: Henry Makow Ph.D. Blogs by people yang mengaku sebagai para mantan agen MI-5 dan MI-6 melukiskan sebuah gambaran kotor mengenai keadaan terorisme, perkosaan, penyiksaan, kendali pikiran, pembunuhan serta pedophilia dalam pengabdiannya kepada Illuminati. Blog utamanya disebut "Richard Tomlinson and the Russians" …

Project Mayhemx: MI6 TRIED TO ELIMINATE SNOWDEN
https://projectmayhemx.blogspot.com/2016/04/mi6-tried-to-eliminate...
08/04/2016 · As intelligence insiders know MI-5 and MI-6 control many of the other intelligence agencies in the world (CIA, MOSSAD etc) in a vast web of intrigue and corruption that has its global power base in the city of London, the square mile. MI6 is only loyal to the international bankers based in the city of London and the global elite aristocratic families like the Rothschild ‘s and the Windsor ‘s



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 01, 2021, 10:33:PM
This is very sad. You can't blame them really. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/madeleine-mccann-s-parents-say-their-hope-energy-and-determination-to-find-her-remains/ar-BB1coZUt?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 01, 2021, 11:56:PM
This is very sad. You can't blame them really. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/madeleine-mccann-s-parents-say-their-hope-energy-and-determination-to-find-her-remains/ar-BB1coZUt?ocid=msedgntp

  'Madeleine McCann’s parents say their ‘hope, energy and determination’ to find her remains'

Michael Howie  8 hrs ago

Charles warns cancer risks becoming ‘Forgotten C’ during pandemic
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Evening Standard logo Madeleine McCann’s parents say their ‘hope, energy and determination’ to find her remains

'The parents of Madeleine McCann have said in a New Year message that their "hope, energy and determination" to find her remains steadfast'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 02, 2021, 02:43:PM
'Madeleine McCann’s parents say their ‘hope, energy and determination’ to find her remains'

Michael Howie  8 hrs ago

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Evening Standard logo Madeleine McCann’s parents say their ‘hope, energy and determination’ to find her remains

'The parents of Madeleine McCann have said in a New Year message that their "hope, energy and determination" to find her remains steadfast'.

Key selected words being of paramount!

'to find her remains'

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 02, 2021, 02:55:PM
Madeleine McCann was already missing, disappeared or escorted from apartment 5a (McCann Apartment) by midnight on the evening/early morning of 1st May 2007..

Whilst ever those responsible for Madeleines disappearance continue to persuade the police, media or the public that Madeleine was still alive and present inside apartment until just before 10.00pm, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, it will be impossible to seize any constructive evidence to help convict those involved..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 03, 2021, 12:30:AM
Evening of 1st May 2007 (refer to Mrs Fenns account)

McCanns and friends, enjoy evening meal at the Ocean club tapas bar (8.45pm - 10.00pm), after which they and some of their friends eloped to a prearranged meeting place, that was situated a long way away from the Ocean Club, in particular, 'CHAPLINS BAR'..

The McCanns and their entourage, stayed at 'CHAPLINS BAR', until about 12.30am (2nd May 2007), until they returned back to their apartment (Ocean Club, Apartment 5A, block 5). By this stage the parents already knew, or understood, that Madeleine was destined to become a symbolic human child sacrifice, in some sort of satanic ceremony...

During and throughout 2nd May 2007, the McCann parents became concerned and worried that Madeleine (daughter) had not been returned into their care. In other words, 'they started to panic'..

Unbeknown to the McCann parents, and other close members of this cult, mob entourage, Madeleine had been  sacrificed and killed in a satanic ritual that was carried out on the 1st May 2007 (Walpurgis night/May day celebration). This almost certainly took place at premises known as the forte, a building and grounds close to St Vincents Church, the derelict building (no. 5), and Chaplins bar, and the sea...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 03, 2021, 07:17:AM
The Areas that police searched..

The Derelict building (no.5) and its grounds was not ever searched by police...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 03, 2021, 09:56:AM
Christian B's ex-cellmate and best pal Michael Tatschl thinks he's guilty 

Who is guilty?

'Christian Bruckner', or 'Micheal Tatschl'?

Or

'Both'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 03, 2021, 10:48:AM
Mike Teskowski Images of Praia Da Luz 2010

www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Mike_Teskowski.htm

Mike Teskowski Images of Praia Da Luz 2010: HOMEPAGE: PHOTO GALLERY INDEX: DERELICT HOUSE JUNE 2010: PHOTOGRAPHS by Mike Teskowski: PDL BEACHES COASTS ... Portugal, looking in opposite direction to P1240793. A view, looking up hill from outside front of derelict building, opposite church at PDL, Portugal ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 07, 2021, 09:59:AM
Madeleines remains and other evidential items will almost certainly be discovered in a small area located in the general vicinity of The village church (PDL), Chaplins Bar, Derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores), The view point next to the Forte, The Bull public Bar, concealed in a shallow grave, or her remains deposited in
a vertical storm drain on a platform which stretches along the sea wall of the sea shore side of the Ice cream factory, derelict building, pharmacy, etc... 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 08, 2021, 07:05:AM
Red Flag areas, suspects and various issues set to determine Madeleine McCanns fate, accomplishment!

(1) - THE PUBLIC PHONE BOX INCIDENTS

Odd behaviour of a male suspect acting suspiciously outside/ inside phone box, on the evenings of the 30th April, 1st and 2nd May 2007. Rather curiously, the suspect never appeared again, thereafter. 


The phone box in question, is situated along the route which the Smith Contingent took, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, after they left Kelly's Bar, at around 10pm, and seeing the man carrying a child in his arms, on the street where there was/is a medical centre ('LUZ DOCK'), The man was later recognised by Mr Smith as having been Gerry McCann, on that occasion (with 99.9% certainty)..

Gerald McCann Claimed that he was present at the tapas bar restaurant, and his apartment at the timing of the Smith contingent sighting...

I don't believe that McCann returned back to the tapas bar restaurant after leaving there at 9.05 am, on that evening. Why did Gerald McCann need to go and check on his children at apartment 5A, when Mathew Oldfield had just checked it minutes beforehand? I also believe that the child he was seen carrying was not his daughter, Madeleine, but one of the other groups young daughters who was reportedly unwell on that same evening. I believe that the child he was carrying to have been Russel O'Briens / Jane Tanners. The sighting of Gerald McCann by members of the Smith contingent took place when the man they saw carrying a child in his arms, was walking downhill from the general direction of the Ocean Club apartments, almost on the doorstep of the medical centre ('LUZ DOCK') which was not open at the time of the sighting. Instead, a written notice was posted on the wall of the premises informing any would be patients or those who accompanied them, that they should ring a night time , evening telephone number in emergencies..

I am sure as I can be, that Madeleine McCann was removed from apartment 5a at about 11.45pm, on the evening of the 1st May 2007, whilst the McCann parents and some of their friends were cavorting at 'Chaplins bar' until after midnight.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 10, 2021, 09:25:AM
If Madeleine was collected by prior arrangement from apartment 5A, at around 11.45 pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007, it left those who took her around 15 minutes, or so to get her to the place nearby by midnight (1st/2nd May 2007) where she was supposed to be symbolically sacrificed (the termination of Walpurgisnacht / May day satanic celebrations - whilst all the while the McCann parents were frolicking on consuming wine and beers at Chaplins bar where they had arrived shortly after 10.pm from their evening meal at the Ocean Club tapas bar restaurant. The collection of Madeleine from apartment 5A at around 11.45pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, afforded those involved to reach the vicinity of St Vincent's Church, PDL, and other prominent buildings or premises such as the derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores), Ice Cream Factory, Fortaleza Restaurant, Chaplins Bar, local pharmacy, the View point, ATM Machine, The Red Bull public house, Kellys bar, and the public phone box nearby where a suspect was seen acting suspiciously...


The remains of Madeleine McCann and other significant pieces of evidence, exist in, amongst, or were destroyed, on occasions on, and after, the 1st May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 11, 2021, 06:07:AM
A Key search and find operation should be focussed on the derelict building (no. 5 Avenue Dos Pescadores), its rear garden, the shallow grave which I identified in June 2010, the piece of human bone that I photographed at the scene, the contents of the derelict building, including anything that has got a bar code stuck upon or to it (which could help to identify where an item was purchased, and possibly that it was paid for by credit card) Information that might serve to reveal the people who lived there in one form or another, The single bed mattress which I photographed in what I shall refer to as 'the pink bedroom' and items of clothing that I discovered and photographed inside the premises, lots and lots of opportunities to take dna samples,etc, etc, etc.

I am inclined to believe that a series of vertical storm/sewage drains which are situated at the sea wall corner of the Fotezela restuarant/view point, and three other such access points located on a concrete ledge which runs from that corner along the rear of the Forteleza, Ice Cream Factory, derelict building,Pharmacy, and the red bull public house, may hold vital evidence in the pursuit of bringing all those concerned to justice, and if at all possible, to recover the remains of Madeleine McCann and that she be given a proper christian burial...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 11, 2021, 07:14:PM
"We need to know what happened to Madeleiene.." https://youtu.be/Pvqu9Wd388c
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 12, 2021, 02:37:AM
Suspect wearing light blue Jeans and a dark kaghoul type anorak seen looking towards Apartment 5A on 1st/2nd May 2007, once standing across the street in between Apartment blocks five and six, and on a second occasion, this same person was seen standing along the footpath which runs parallel between Apartment blocks five, four, three and the Ocean club poolside. On this  second occasion, the suspect was actually seen leaning against the garden wall outside apartment 5A (McCanns accommodation) peering up in the direction of the patio and its sliding door - he was wearing the same light blue jeans and dark coloured anorak, on both occasions...

The discovery by myself of similar looking clothing conceal inside the premises of the derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores) next to St Vincents church (PDL), were also worn by the suspicious looking man in the vicinity of the public phone box mentioned previously...

Rather interestingly, the two sightings of the suspect who appeared to be watching Apartment 5A occurred during the day, whilst the other two sightings of the suspect at the public phone box (not far from  Kelly's Bar) occurred in the early evening. No sightings of the man/men were noted throughout  the day or evening of the 3rd May 2007...

I very strongly suspect, that it was the same person, on both occasions at apartment 5A (day time sightings), and the public phone box close to Kelly's Bar (evening sightings), and that the light blue jeans and dark coloured Anorak that was being worn by these/ the suspect on each of those four occasions were/are the same items of clothing discovered by me in the premises of the derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores) located directly across the street from the village church, where The McCann parents took refuge after they faked Madeleines disappearence on the evening of 3rd May 2007!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 13, 2021, 04:27:AM
'EVERY PICTURE TELLS A STORY (or two) AND MORE'..

'YOUR TRUTH'

'MY TRUTH'

and

'THE ACTUAL TRUTH'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 13, 2021, 04:41:AM
Here I reproduce a selection of 'Abstracted Images' taken and developed from Some of the photographs I took inside the derelict building ( 5 Ave Dos Pescadores, PDL, June 2010).

'DO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE'?

The photograph concerned, followed by 'Abstracted Imaginary', techniques
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 13, 2021, 08:49:AM
Another Example, below:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 13, 2021, 09:04:AM
The Shallow grave under Abstract Image Exposure:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 13, 2021, 10:06:PM
In The Shadows of the CHURCH
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 13, 2021, 10:48:PM
Within Eyeshot of St Vincents Church, PDL
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 14, 2021, 09:17:AM
Shallow Grave located a stones throw from hallowed ground of Church, PDL - in the rear garden of derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores), a few footsteps away:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 15, 2021, 09:42:PM
All those involved in the vanishing / disappearance of little Madeleine Beth McCann, had to eat, drink, pay bills, fuel vehicles up, do shopping in one form or another, Pay for various services, and in this modern age, everybody either uses cash, or they purchase goods and services by way of credit cards...

With this in mind, the first thing the German, Portuguese and the UK police need to start doing, is for them to build up a profile of all members of the tapas 9 group (including each of the McCann parents), plus all the other suspects, to get a print out of all their spending or purchasing habits, and movements - ownership of mobile telephones, and computer devices may also reveal compelling facets of evidence that will all contribute to the bigger picture...

This approach needs to be adopted to/and from a time before the McCann family, and their friends agreed for whatever reason to holiday in/at Praia De Luz, Portugal...

Every things been well planned, thus far and executed...

Coincidences are in abundance, to such an extend that these coincidences serve to add IN well known practice cases/matters such AS THIS ONE, OF CONFUSION...

ROBERT MURAT AND DAVID PAYNE LOOK SO MUCH ALIKE ONE ANOTHER, AND IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, EITHER COULD HAVE BEEN MISTAKENLY IDENTIFIED FOR ONE ANOTJHER, OR EACHOTHER..

McCANN APARTMENT ACCOMODATION (5A  Ave Dos Pescadores), and the derelict Building where Madeleine was taken to on the evening of the handover (1st May 2021) destined to become  a symbolic sacrifice, which for whatever reason, or purpose, deliberately went wrong!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 16, 2021, 11:56:AM
During my search of the derelict building (5 Ave Dos Pescadores) and its rear garden in June 2010, I discovered a bone which I believed to be human in origin. I took photographs and I produce a diagram with information on it relating to how it is possible to differentiate between animal/human bones..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 16, 2021, 06:55:PM
The clothing I discovered in a concealed bag and took photographs of, inside the derelict building could provide important DNA evidence, identifying the person who they belonged to, and anyone else he came into contact with, or harmed...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 22, 2021, 05:21:AM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-teams-examine-three-wells-in-portugal-for-evidence-in-her-disappearance-12026431

The search of three well-sites in the 'Budens area', Portugal , has some relevance in connection with the shallow grave situated in the corner of the rear garden of the  derelict building which I stumbled upon in June 2010...

The site which I refer to as 'the shallow  grave', where the remains of Madeleine McCann, or 'conclusive evidence' is/will be found! Since, the shallow grave I found is where there used to be a well (now filled in)!

'Shallow Grave'

It was previously a private well in the grounds of the rear garden of the premises (5A) thethe derelict building situated across the street, from  'St Vincent's Church' in Pria de Luz'...

Of somewhat interest is/was that both McCann parents were visiting areas in and around the places that this perpetrator was known to operate and mix with, Pria de Luz', Burdens and of course where the latest suspect ['Christian B'] was known to be frequenting!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 02, 2021, 10:16:AM
Before the truth of this case comes to its fruition, one thing that needs to change, relates to the alledged time and date of 'Madeleine McCanns,' disappearence. Since, whilst ever police from different countries continue to investigate the case, on the basis that 'Madeleine', 'vanished', 'was taken', 'abducted', 'hidden', at somestage between  when the 'McCann parents' left apartment 5A at about 8.30pm to go to the tapas restaurant for evening meal with other friends who were members of the so called 'tapas 9 group', and 'Kate McCanns' so called, 10.00pm discovery/alert, that 'Madeleine' was 'gone', that the case will continue to be 'a long drawn out affair'!

There needs to be a new approach/focus

Any investigation, needs to look into the circumstances of 'Madeleines' demise, should be seriously looked into, as if, and as did occur, on the same evening the ' McCann parents, and some of their group, visited 'CHAPLINS BAR' (located in close vicinity, of the village church in Prais De Luz), and a derelict building across the street (from the church/ and close to Chaplin's bar)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on May 02, 2021, 07:53:PM
I have yet to see anything that would tell me abduction was "materially impossible", as the lead Portuguese detective claims.  Without even knowing much about the case, I can immediately surmise that he slipped up in that conclusion.  A detective should be guided by deduction, not dogma. 

Nevertheless, many people assure me that the McCanns are covering something up and are guilty as Hell.  It's obvious, they tell me.  The evidence is there. 

I must be thick as a plank.  What am I missing?  Normally when I ask that question, I get links to some blog or other or somebody's e-book.  If it's so obvious that the McCanns did it and I'm just thick, then somebody should be able to summarise it all for me, Mister Simpleton, in one or two sentences.

If, as I suspect, it's all bluff and bluster and abduction was not "materially impossible", then in the absence of a body (or the equivalent evidence), there is no case to answer.

On the other hand, if you can show me that abduction was materially impossible, then why are the McCanns still at large?  Surely the Polícia Judiciária should have had them.  Is it Special Branch and the Freemasons?  Are the lizards in on it too?  Why are Special Branch keen to protect Gerry McCann?  Has he got hold of those photos of Theresa May running through fields of wheat?  Is he in on some sort of high level conspiracy?  Why don't they just bump him off?

I think the parents are probably telling the truth.  Obviously I don't know this for sure, and I accept I may be wrong, but based on what I know of the evidence, it seems unlikely that they could have accomplished the concealment and disposal of Madeleine's body in the narrow time window they had.  The rider is that I don't know the evidence in-depth.  My understanding of the case is quite shallow and based on the essentials that are widely in the public domain, yet just on that basis, I can see that - if anything - it is filicide that seems "materially impossible", or at least, materially very difficult.

I do think this is another case that will never be resolved to the satisfaction of all.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on May 03, 2021, 06:02:PM
I have yet to see anything that would tell me abduction was "materially impossible", as the lead Portuguese detective claims.  Without even knowing much about the case, I can immediately surmise that he slipped up in that conclusion.  A detective should be guided by deduction, not dogma. 

Nevertheless, many people assure me that the McCanns are covering something up and are guilty as Hell.  It's obvious, they tell me.  The evidence is there. 

I must be thick as a plank.  What am I missing?  Normally when I ask that question, I get links to some blog or other or somebody's e-book.  If it's so obvious that the McCanns did it and I'm just thick, then somebody should be able to summarise it all for me, Mister Simpleton, in one or two sentences.

If, as I suspect, it's all bluff and bluster and abduction was not "materially impossible", then in the absence of a body (or the equivalent evidence), there is no case to answer.

On the other hand, if you can show me that abduction was materially impossible, then why are the McCanns still at large?  Surely the Polícia Judiciária should have had them.  Is it Special Branch and the Freemasons?  Are the lizards in on it too?  Why are Special Branch keen to protect Gerry McCann?  Has he got hold of those photos of Theresa May running through fields of wheat?  Is he in on some sort of high level conspiracy?  Why don't they just bump him off?

I think the parents are probably telling the truth.  Obviously I don't know this for sure, and I accept I may be wrong, but based on what I know of the evidence, it seems unlikely that they could have accomplished the concealment and disposal of Madeleine's body in the narrow time window they had.  The rider is that I don't know the evidence in-depth.  My understanding of the case is quite shallow and based on the essentials that are widely in the public domain, yet just on that basis, I can see that - if anything - it is filicide that seems "materially impossible", or at least, materially very difficult.

I do think this is another case that will never be resolved to the satisfaction of all.

The McCanns have recently announced they will put 750k into an investigation if the state funding dries up. They are very odd criminals indeed, keeping their crime in the headlines for 15 years and funding investigations into their own wrongdoing.  ::)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on May 03, 2021, 06:21:PM
The McCanns have recently announced they will put 750k into an investigation if the state funding dries up. They are very odd criminals indeed, keeping their crime in the headlines for 15 years and funding investigations into their own wrongdoing.  ::)

You make a good point, and you could argue that their ongoing behaviour is not consistent with a scam, sham or charade.  If they are guilty, you would expect that they would have kept a somewhat lower profile while maintaining appearances by putting out notional appeals for information every now and then.

But to be fair, it is difficult to tell for sure.  You could argue the opposite: that if they are guilty, then the initial efforts were to divert the inquiries of the Portuguese authorities and generally muddy the waters, and the ongoing efforts and lobbying are to head off any pressure from within either country for a re-investigation that could incriminate them.  One point that could give this credence is that it is obvious, even to people like me who tend to believe the McCanns, that there is some intelligent input behind their whole media presentation, which does knock me a bit.  These are clearly quite savvy people, and it does make me wonder.  Another motive behind it, if they are guilty, may be psychological: if Madeleine did die at their hands, then it must have been an accident, but they will feel guilt about it because they will regard themselves as neglectful parents (I'm not sure that's fair, actually, but that's the way they will inevitably see it).

Having typed all that and thought about it, I really think it just doesn't sound very realistic, though.  It's like the précis for one of those straight-to-TV American movies that used to be on every Wednesday with a B actor, like Steven Seagal, and he's a Vietnam veteran and he covers up some murder he's committed, and 10 years later he gets caught, or something like that.  I just can't see it in reality, and even just on the basis of the plausibility factor, I have to lean towards believing the parents. 

I think what it boils down to is that some people have a bit too much time on their hands and have maybe watched one too many crime movies or detective dramas.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 03, 2021, 07:43:PM
I do find the prime suspect in Maddy's disappearance, Christian Brückner, difficult to analyse. Some of his crimes, such as breaking and entering and stealing items of value seem opportunistic, whilst others ascribed to him including Maddy, René Hasee, Carola Titze and Inge Gehricke may have an element of planning about them. The rape of a 72-year-old woman, for which he still remains incarcerated, shows he needs control whilst possessing an uncontrollable sexual urge leading to bestiality, which along with his criminally-minded brain may be a reason for this particular crime, which on the surface does seem incongruous given the age of the other victims. Of course he may not be guilty of any of the former.

His background might not surprise anyone who studies crime. An adoptee from an early age, a wayward youth who became involved in petty crime after his stepfather was invalided and stepmother unable to cope, taken out of mainstream education and placed in a reform school for two years. Upon release in 1995 he heads to the Algarve aged 18 and takes a job as a catering assistant.

What is it with him that makes him unable to form stable relationships with members of either sex? No affection, no release valve, just bumming around in his campervan looking for unprincipled ways to make money, affording him the chance to satisfy abnormal sexual fantasies, to destroy the lives of anyone who is having fun in a family setting, the family he was deprived of when he was growing up and which he believed was his right?

This is Amoreira beach, where René Hasee disappeared. There may be no link to Maddy or to Christian B. But it does seem a strange coincidence nevertheless, one year after his arrival in Portugal and only a few months after release from a sexual abuse charge of a young girl in Wurzburg. https://youtu.be/7_E5niv9wYg

Was he lying in wait in his vehicle on the cliff edge with binoculars, waiting to pounce as the family had spent a full day in the resort, biding his time as the little boy ran towards the ocean with mother momentarily distracted as she navigated the steps from the restaurant, the paedophile scooping him up in his arms with a few soothing words in German and the promise of an ice cream cone to allay suspicions, the ingenuous youngster not knowing what diabolical fate awaited him as he was conveyed to the campervan above?
It's fourteen years ago tonight..https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14837775/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-info-christian-b-suspect/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 03, 2021, 10:14:PM
People inside the tapas restaurant bar/area, knew that 'Madeleine', was missing from apartment 5A, long before, 'Kate McCanns', 10.00pm 'alert', on the evening of 3rd May, 2007 - giving the same alert 'earlier on' by 'others' on occasions 'between 9pm, and (9.05pm, 9.15pm, 9.30pm, and 9.45pm), to 10pm!

Examples of these, incidents/instances involved the following circumstances:-



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 05:57:AM
People inside the tapas restaurant bar/area, knew that 'Madeleine', was missing from apartment 5A, long before, 'Kate McCanns', 10.00pm 'alert', on the evening of 3rd May, 2007 - giving the same alert 'earlier on' by 'others' on occasions 'between 9pm, and (9.05pm, 9.15pm, 9.30pm, and 9.45pm), to 10pm!

Examples of these, incidents/instances involved the following circumstances:-

A CRITICAL period of the investigation - ''THE GOLDEN HOUR'..

  just so happens to be, the period of activity between 9pm and 10pm, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007..


'Involving

Analytical report of the ANTENNAE LOCATION RECORDS OF MOBILE PHONES OF THE 9 MEMBERS OF THE GROUP. NUIPC 201/07. 0GALGS) DCICPT: UNI - Sector Analysis Inspector Paul D., Lisbon, June 2, 2008.

(The Methodology Adopted)

David Anthony Payne
Dianne Webster
Elaine Fiona Payne
Gerald Patrick McCann
Jane Michelle Tanner
Kate Marie Healy
Matthew David Oldfield
Rachael Mariamma
Jean Mampilly
James Russell O'Brien   
    
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 06:29:AM
A CRITICAL period of the investigation - ''THE GOLDEN HOUR'..

  just so happens to be, the period of activity between 9pm and 10pm, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007..


'Involving

Analytical report of the ANTENNAE LOCATION RECORDS OF MOBILE PHONES OF THE 9 MEMBERS OF THE GROUP. NUIPC 201/07. 0GALGS) DCICPT: UNI - Sector Analysis Inspector Paul D., Lisbon, June 2, 2008.

(The Methodology Adopted)

David Anthony Payne
Dianne Webster
Elaine Fiona Payne
Gerald Patrick McCann
Jane Michelle Tanner
Kate Marie Healy
Matthew David Oldfield
Rachael Mariamma
Jean Mampilly
James Russell O'Brien

Some 'unresolvable'  events point toward a number of the aforementioned group, being 'involved'/'engaged' in an attempt to 'mislead', 'conjur up', a somewhat convoluted 'Story', leading up to 9pm on the 1st May, 2007) that 'Madeleine' had been alive and well, in the family apartment (5A) - basically producing information, consistent with the idea, that someone had 'snatched', 'abducted' , and/or 'taken', at such a precise moment, when if the truth be known, 'Madeleine' had already been, 'snatched', 'abducted', or 'taken', as surely as 'night follows day', on the evening of 1st May 1985)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 06:37:AM
'Mathew Oldfields' visit to check on the safety or otherwise, at 9pm on the wellfair of the 'McCann parents  children'

(1) - by listening at the bedroom window by placing an 'ear' against the metal window shutter,(without 'him' entering apartment (5A,) on this/that occasion!

(2) -  alternatively
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 07:38:PM
'Mathew Oldfields' visit to check on the safety or otherwise, at 9pm on the wellfair of the 'McCann parents  children'

(1) - by listening at the bedroom window by placing an 'ear' against the metal window shutter,(without 'him' entering apartment (5A,) on this/that occasion!

(2) -  alternatively

(2) - (continued)...

He also 'mentioned' during an interview, that 'he entered apartment 5A',  during his 9pm check via the sliding patio door, on the 'poolside of the premises', that once he had entered, that he went to the doorway of the 'McCann parents children's bedroom', and that he went in, and saw that the two child twins were asleep in their cots, but that 'Madeleine' was not present in her nearby bed! As a result, 'Mathew' looked in other rooms in the premises, including 'the parents bedroom', and discovered that 'Madeleine' was not there/or present, in any room of apartment '5A' and that as a result, he hurried back to the 'tapas restaurant, BAR', and informed 'Jerry McCann' that he had just visited the 'McCann' apartment, and that 'Madeleine' was 'missing/gone'! This caused 'Jerry McCann' to storm off from the tapas bar, upset (of course), that 'Matwew Oldfield', had done such a check, so early in the evening, after the 'McCann parents' had left 'apartment 5A' shortly beforehand! Or, as the case may be, that 'Mathew' had interfered with the script that what 'the parents', and 'others' intended to rely upon - so, this sent 'Gerry McCann' to the family apartment, and 'the rest is a classic case', of 'a cover up' regarding what the 'true state of affairs' was by then!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 07:46:PM
'Jerry McCann', has introduced a huge/massive 'lie', regarding the fact that during his 9.05pm check of apartment 5A, that 'he saw [had seen] Madeleine' sleeping in her bed (Where minutes, beforehand, that 'Mathew' had asserted that 'Madeleine' was missing, altogether)!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 07:53:PM
There 'exists 'independent information/evidence' which confirms that by about 9.15pm, that people inside the 'tapas restaurant bar' knew or were aware, that one of the 'McCann parents children' ('Madeleine') was missing from their apartment whilst the parents had been absent due to them attending the 'tapas restaurant bar' having an 'evening meal' with other members of their own group!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 08:01:PM
There 'exists 'independent information/evidence' which confirms that by about 9.15pm, that people inside the 'tapas restaurant bar' knew or were aware, that one of the 'McCann parents children' ('Madeleine') was missing from their apartment whilst the parents had been absent due to them attending the 'tapas restaurant bar' having an 'evening meal' with other members of their own group!

A 'restuarant manager' who came on duty at about 9.15pm (that evening), recollected that upon arriving on duty, that he became aware of a commotion, involving a couple, who he discovered were having a heated conversation, regarding the disappearence of a child from one of the families apartment whilst the parents had been enjoying evening meal activities, (there, in the restaurant)!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 08:20:PM
A 'restuarant manager' who came on duty at about 9.15pm (that evening), recollected that upon arriving on duty, that he became aware of a commotion, involving a couple, who he discovered were having a heated conversation, regarding the disappearence of a child from one of the families apartment whilst the parents had been enjoying evening meal activities, (there, in the restaurant)!

The agitated couple (aforementioned), were 'Mathew Oldfield' and 'Rachel Mampily'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 08:36:PM
'Jane Tanner', who was 'present in the 'tapas restaurant' at the time that 'Mathew Oldfield' returned to inform 'Gerry McCann' that 'Madeleine' was absent/missing from their apartment (just before, 9.05pm), went, at about 9.10pm, to enquire what the delay in 'Gerry McCann' was being caused by! This situation arose because she overheard what 'Mathew Oldfield' was telling 'Rachel Mampily' regarding 'Madeleine McCanns' apparent 'disappearence' from the 'McCann' apartment (when he had just checked)!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 08:44:PM
'Jane Tanner', who was 'present in the 'tapas restaurant' at the time that 'Mathew Oldfield' returned to inform 'Gerry McCann' that 'Madeleine' was absent/missing from their apartment (just before, 9.05pm), went, at about 9.10pm, to enquire what the delay in 'Gerry McCann' was being caused by! This situation arose because she overheard what 'Mathew Oldfield' was telling 'Rachel Mampily' regarding 'Madeleine McCanns' apparent 'disappearence' from the 'McCann' apartment (when he had just checked)!

After, 'Jane Tanner' returned to the restaurant, another couple, who had been dining there, left to return to their own apartment!

On their way back, they had just left the small reception of the Ocean Club, and as they were crossing over the road, the woman in this partnership, heard a voice calling out, the name 'Madeleine', repeatedly!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 08:48:PM
Within minutes of the aforementioned couple leaving the tapas restaurant (about 9.20pm), 'Mathew' and Russell O'Brien', went to do a further check, of 'their own', and the 'McCann apartment'!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 08:52:PM
Within minutes of the aforementioned couple leaving the tapas restaurant (about 9.20pm), 'Mathew' and Russell O'Brien', went to do a further check, of 'their own', and the 'McCann apartment'!

On this occasion, 'Mathew', and 'Russell' stated that they had not entered the premises, but that they had listened at the sliding patio door of apartment 5A, but did not hear any sign of a disturbance, within the building!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 04, 2021, 08:55:PM
A bar waiter, states that at and by 9.45pm, on that evening, that the majority of the tapas 9 group, were absent from the restaurant bar, with the exception of a middle aged lady!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 08, 2021, 10:29:AM
A bar waiter, states that at and by 9.45pm, on that evening, that the majority of the tapas 9 group, were absent from the restaurant bar, with the exception of a middle aged lady!

As a result, does it not 'prove' that the introduced script of/by 'Kate McCann', and the rest of the individual characters of the 'tapas 9 group', is/was [not] true!

The 'McCann group', 'explanations/accounts, therefore, are/is manufactured, for the purpose of hiding the 'actual truth'. With this is mind, those involved should be arrested, Interviewed, and where applicable, all prosecuted in as far as, 'they have all conspired to pervert the course of justice' (in this matter)..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 16, 2021, 08:38:AM
A potentially astounding link, exists involving a metal bar, found near a shallow grave (derelict building) and bruises inflicted on the body of the victim, between  the rape of an elderly female victim by ************  in Portugal, and the shallow grave located in the rear garden of a derelict building across the way from St Vincent's church at Praia De Luz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 17, 2021, 05:15:PM
Police informants not only get to keep the proceeds of the crimes they become engaged in, they also receive large cash payments from the police for any information (true or false) they give to the police! They do not face prosecution, and in general get their true identities concealed from defence teams, victims of their crime, under pii rules...

Many, many, lots and lots of innocent persons are wrongly arrested, charged and convicted on the strength of information provided by these scumbag vermin informants!!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ESKIMO TEC on May 17, 2021, 06:00:PM
HAVE YOU GOT A LIST OF THESE PEOPLE ,INNOCENT PEOPLE...HOW MANY DO YOU PERSONALY KNOW....YOU CERTAINLY WONT BE ON IT SUPERCROOK..LOL
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2021, 03:21:AM
I have good reason to believe that you are responsible for Rosemary Thompson's death, and that you supplied the illicit drugs that at least one of your daughter's, overdosed from - you are nothing but a lying, despicable, evil, scumbag, drug dealer, addict!

 Camden the jewellers was buying all the stolen goods that you are/were responsible for stealing, and not declaring to your partners in crime  - I am more than prepared to testify against you, u fucking lying, cheating, horrible scum at police informant!

Which South Yorkshire cop were you fucking, and sucking his dick, you foul, nasty, despicable individual?

Were you sucking, DS Higham', DC Richardson , DS Shepherd and the now elevated DC Caulfields cock, you rotten' evil scumbag rat infested arsehole?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2021, 04:19:AM
You, are the spit out of the McCann conspirators, Derek Bentley was hung because of people like you, and corrupted South Yorkshire police colleagues of yours, of Godfrey Lewis, Harold Hawksworth, Geooff Addy, Gordon Stanton, and the rest, including your co-accused, Janet, and Diane!

They will eventually be arrested, investigated, and charged along with you, and you will be all convicted and you, them, and your collaborators, including all the corrupted  South Yorkshire police officers you have worked. And still continue to deal with!

You are despicable, you stole £2000.00 from Mrs Athi, and you sold item 59 to your fence (Douglas McHale) a week before the incident at 2 Ringtone Grove. I have the evidence you test, your days and the days of your police employers are now numbered! I am going to ask the modern day  South Yorkshire police to seize the shares u purchased with the proceeds of your crimes!

When the investigation into you is carried out, a hell of a lot of people are going to be unhappy with you!

If anybody knows you, currently, God help them!
The public should be made aware of people like you!
You fucking 'nonce', 'theiving', lying, selfish fat 'bastardo'...

You are a fucking sick idiot!

Nobody in their right mind, would ever be able to treat you as a friend! You are part and parcel of a corrupted (in that era) South Yorkshire police force! The general public should be made aware of the kind of person that you are! You were/are clearly directly involved in the death of your partner. 'Rose', and at least one of your daughter's, who died from a drugs overdose! You horrible, lying, murdering, bastardo'!

I will co-operarate with the modern day South Yorkshire police to ensure that you cannot impose any sort of a threat to any other member of the public!

Please, do not even think about sending me a VO, once you are legitimately incarcerated! Maybe, you should consider sending such a VO, to your co-accused, and corrupted South Yorkshire police officers! You set me up, and got me arrested for crimes that you, and other members of your group committed, or invented details about!

You should have been imprisoned, and you should be in prison, and the key thrown away!

Hey, guess what scumbag, even the females you hoodwinked, have confessed to me about your involvement with South Yorkshire police in the enterprise of them and people like you setting innocent people up, (like me) and you receiving payment from the police for your dedication in helping them, to clear the backlog of offences (up)!

It's time, for you and them, to face the music!

You are not a credible witness, you are a liar, you have deceived a jury by pleading 'not guilty' to the fact that you were arrested at the scene of a burgalry at a  retired judges mansion in Derbyshire! You (not the police) planted that gun in my car, which leads me to strongly now suspect that you were/are involved in the shooting/murder of Sgt Speed!

It's about time, that you faced the music, for all the crimes you are guilty of committing, and crimes you have committed!

I have already faced the music and been a victim of your dishonesty!

There is, and cannot be any evidence whatsoever that could, might, or may incriminate me in the commissioning of all the despicable crimes you and them were/are responsible for having committed!

I do not need to send you a VO, I have already been unnecessarily punished, for the crimes that you and other members of your hand, have/did commit!

Thank you, for providing me, with clear fresh evidence that proves that I did not receive fair trials!

You have made a huge mistake, and exposed yourself, and South Yorkshire police officer conspirators, to a real possibility that the lot of you, should all be arrested and become subject to a new police inquiry!

I will not permit you/or them to go forward, without legal action being instigated against you, and them!

Please, try your pathetic best, to find a way out of the drama you were, are involved in/with!

Janet, and Diane confessed to me that you were a lousy lover, and that they never had an orgasm when you for ed yourself upon them! Hey, can you remember that letter that my ex lover sent to you whilst you were in custody because of your criminal activities, where she wrote that whilst having sex with me from the first time onwards (multiple times with her consent/ at her insistence) that she had her first orgasm whilst partaking in love making with me)! Do you remember that? Well. Anyway, a copy of her letter was not only copied by me, but alas prison security took a copy of that letter which remains on your prison file! Would you mind if I posted a copy of that letter, here on my forum? You are a pathetic individual, who has forced yourself into this forum intent on trying to portray me as someone who is not the person that I am making myself out to be! Well, chummy, you have made one hell of a big mistake!

You are now 'in the firing line', you are a common burglar, theif, informant, lying toe tag!

How did you think you were ever going to get away with saying all of these awful things, about me!

They should bring back capital punishment for scumbags like you, you should have been hung instead of Sadem Hussein!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 19, 2021, 04:34:AM
You ('GT') are one, horrible, lying, ' bastardo'..

I may be coming to visit you, at your place, to hand you (in person) the legalities of that which you will be summoned for, prosecuted, and civil action which  I consider to be appropriate, in dealing with a scumbag, like yourself!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ESKIMO TEC on May 19, 2021, 09:56:AM
post away mike ..plz plz show me the supposed letter...might give you a bit of credibility ..cos all the rest is fancifull at best ...come on you said you have a copy,post it plz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ESKIMO TEC on May 22, 2021, 08:08:AM
STILL WAITING...ZZZZzzzzz...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 24, 2021, 01:22:AM
Metal bar found/discovered at shallow graveside in rear garden of derelict building, is believed to match in size, length and shape of metal bar that the 'Maddie' suspect beat his 72 year old rape victim with!

The injuries and bruising caused as a result of the vicious attack upon/against the aforementioned victim were captivated by camera after the attack upon her by the latest 'Maddie suspect', 'killer', 'abductor', 'conspirator'!

German police have video/photographic evidence which convinces them, that the latest 'Maddie suspect', tortured her, and that he struck her fragile  little body with the same iron/metal bar that 'suspect' used on the 72 year old rape victim! The McCann parents, and some of their tapas group members who were holidaying in Portugal with them, know what really happened to 'Madeleine' on the evening of 1st May 2007, whilst they were revelling down near the village church, and the beach, inside Chaplin's bar, until at the very earliest 11.45pm, or there abouts! I believe that the following members of the McCann contingent have helped to displace the date and time that 'Madeleine' went missing :- 'David Payne', 'Russell O'Brien', ' Mathew Oldfield, and 'Jane Tanner'...

All of them are responsible for shifting the moment that 'Maddie', was taken at around midnight the 1st/ early hours of the2nd May, 2007, displacing that event by 48 hours!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 25, 2021, 07:55:AM
At least one occupant at the derelict building (across road from village church) was a drug addict/dealer!  Since viewable in site photographs inside the derelict building which I took and captured in June 2010 clearly show tools, and let's say equipment needed/required in order for someone to partake in such an addiction, and or also be a dealer, in the same!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 28, 2021, 05:15:PM
German police say that their suspect, murdered 'Madeleine McCann' in Portugal, and not that he took her with him into Germany, immediately after she disappeared! They say they have concrete proof that 'Madeleine McCann' is dead! It is almost certain that Bruckner videoed the torture and killing of the child, and that he brought the recordings he took with him into Germany, buried them in a shallow grave in which he buried his dog! I think that the McCann parents, and friends, have/lied about 'Madeleine' being with them  at any stage/time after they and other group members visited 'Chaplins Bar' for late night revelling on the evening of the 1st May 2007. There was clearly around about a 48 hour period since that occasion, and the moment they claim their daughter had been taken, whilst the parents were dining nearby! During that frantic first 48 hour period, Gerry McCann visited all the known haunts that Bruckner favoured. They went jogging on the beach, also went jogging up the hillside where it turns out that Bruckner was/had been dossing at/in another derelict building! Last but not least, they were regularly present in the area of the village church, across the street from the derelict building, where Bruckner negotiated with the parents for the safe return of their daughter!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2021, 11:01:AM
Rather astonishing that 'Gerry McCann has given two conflicting accounts regarding which apartment entrance door that he used t to enter apartment 5A at his 9.05pm check, after leaving the tapas restaurant because 'Matgew Oldfield' had just informed him that 'Madeleine' was nowhere to be seen, or found in there?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2021, 12:19:PM
..The following account, was given by 'Mathew Oldfield' to the police, initially - it was not what 'Mathew' actually spoke to the 'McCann parents' upon his return to the tapas restaurant having just left the 'McCann apartment'!

He told them that 'Madeleine' was not anywhere inside their apartment, and he described how he had entered the sliding patio door of apartment 5A on the poolside of the premises which had been left unlocked by prior arrangement!

(Full details to follow)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2021, 12:41:PM
The following is/was the gist of what 'Mathew Oldfield' related to both 'McCann parents' after he had hurried back to the tapas restaurant, to alert the parents and others to the disappeare CE of one of the 'McCanns children'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2021, 12:43:PM
Hence, why 'Gerry McCann' reacted as he did, leaving 'Mathew Oldfield' feeling like he had really upset 'Gerry' simply by him doing the parents a favour!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2021, 12:56:PM
   Approximately - 9.10pm, on the evening of Wednesday the 3rd May 2007

It follows, that 'Jane Tanner' must have known why 'Gerry McCann' had ran back to check his apartment, and that this information had come from either 'Mathew Oldfield' ', or 'Kate McCann'. Within a few minutes, 'Jane Tanner' left her table in the tapas bar restaurant area, and went to see what was keeping 'Gerry' so long, in finding his daughter! This took place at around 9.10pm!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2021, 05:19:PM
..They had raised their voices, to try and bring a sense of normality into the situation - however, a senior employer who attended the tapas bar restaurant that evening at around 9.15pm (When he came on duty), overheard the heated discussion between  'Jane Tanner' and 'Mathew Oldfield' who were sat talking at a dining table when these aggressive exchanges were being conducted!

It should be noted that 'Jane Tanner' did not mention anything about her seeing a man carrying a child in his arms across the top of the road junction that she herself was proceeding up the hill on!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on May 29, 2021, 05:36:PM
'We can speak about that later, but for now forget about what 'Gerry' is doing at this moment in time, there are things a foot which you could not possibly know about, but please don't blame us, why are you appearing to shield and protect ' Gerry', and the others who you know are involved in disturbing practices! Ask Russell later, he will fill you in with the plan, as and when we need to put it out there!

Approximately - 9.10pm, on evening of 3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on June 08, 2021, 10:58:AM
'Mathew Oldfield' alerted everybody he knew, that he had just taken a check on the 'McCann parents apartment (9.00 pm), and at that stage how was/is it at all possible for almost another hour to pass by, before' Kate McCann', takes on the responsibity by claiming that 'Madeleine' had been taken.

Why is there an hour difference, between  when 'Mathew Oldfield' Claims that Madeliene had been taken / was missing/was absent from apartment 5A from as early as, that/this, if 'she had really been abducted' at around 10.00pm 'as discovered' to have been taken by 'Kate McCann' at 'that time'?

People knew a young child was missing from one of the guests apartment, as a result of 'Mathew Oldfield 9.00pm check of the' McCann' apartment [5A], once he returned to the tapas bar restaurant, and told both 'McCann parents' that their daughter [Madeleine] was not present anywhere at all inside apartment 5A of the Ocean Club complex...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2021, 10:04:AM
Evening of 1st May 2007

The McCann parents and some of their friends, visited two bars on the evening of 1st May 2007 - these were (1) - the tapas restaurant bar, and (2) - Chaplins Bar...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2021, 09:42:PM
There is /was two distances from apartment 5A [`3rd May 2007`] and (a) - the 'tapas restaurant bar', and (b) [the evening of the '1st May, 2007'], from 'apartment 5A' and 'Chaplins bar'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2021, 09:50:PM
1st May, 2007 ['Walpurgas night'] - a ceremony of human sacrifice(s) - 'Madeleine McCann' , was' that' human sacrifice!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2021, 10:03:PM
Note, regarding 'a block booking' for tables in/at the tapas restaurant bar [kids left unsupervised, in nearby apartments ['Less than 100 metres away'] was not entered into the mini reception register until 'Madeleine was [' had already been '] taken and sacriced, on the 'evening /morning of 1st / 2nd May 2007'..

Subsequent 'Creche register entries' , covering '2nd' and '3rd of May 2007', were duly 'falsified' and 'fabricated'  to give the impression that 'Madeleine McCann' did not go missing for a further two days!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 16, 2021, 11:11:PM
It remains possible [`probable'] that 'Madeleine McCanns' demise, occurred on the evening of the '30th April, 2007', and that 'Mrs Fenns' account regarding the crying of 'a young female child' inside apartment 5A, the residence below her own apartment, between 10.30 and 11.45pm on the following evening ['1st May, 2007'] involved a child of one of the other members of the group! Basically put, it was 'the child of one of the other family group members who returned  [`a father figure'] to apartment 5A, at 11.45pm, When' Mrs Fenn' stated that the young female who had been crying continously for a period of one hour and fifteen minutes, suddenly stopped yelling, and was heard to shout out, 'Daddy', 'daddy', 'daddy'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 17, 2021, 09:54:AM
There is /was two distances from apartment 5A [`3rd May 2007`] and (a) - the 'tapas restaurant bar', and (b) [the evening of the '1st May, 2007'], from 'apartment 5A' and 'Chaplins bar'...

Apartment 5A, Ocean club to Chaplins Bar ['distance'] 450 - 550 metres [walking takes 7 / 8 minutes]

Apartment 5A' to 'tapas restaurant bar', ['distance'] 82 metres..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 18, 2021, 06:33:AM
Apartment 5A, Ocean club to Chaplins Bar ['distance'] 450 - 550 metres [walking takes 7 / 8 minutes]

Apartment 5A' to 'tapas restaurant bar', ['distance'] 82 metres..

There was / is a vast difference, between the claim, that the 'McCann parents' relying upon them able to leave their three young siblings, all alone back inside the family apartment [`5A`] with 'the patio door' on the poolside of the premises, 'closed' but 'unlocked' , and the 'McCann Parents' attending 'Chaplins Bar' on the evening of the '1st May, 2007'. When dining at the tapas restaurant bar, they got away with claiming that whilst their three siblings were left unsupervised back at apartment 5A ['whilst they were absent from the apartment, it was just a matter akin to' the parents having a barbecue in their rear garden', whilst 'their children' were 'sleeping inside their house'!  The walking distant between 'apartment 5A' and 'the tapas restaurant bar' being only approximately '82 metres distant' , or 'one and a half' , to 'two minutes' [Away] when 'travelling on foot', as apposed to a '7/8  minute hike' from 'Chaplins Bar' [`some 450 - 550 metres away from the 'McCanns apartment] back at the ocean club [`resort'] °°°

The 'timeline of the alleged events', [involving 'Madeleine McCanns' demise] has been switched from having occurred on the evening of the '1st May 2007', to the '3rd May 2007', for the purpose of allowing the 'McCann parents' and their 'friends' to 'displace' the 'date' and 'time' , to 'a later occasion' ['3rd May 2007'] that / which 'portrayed them' in 'a better light'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 18, 2021, 05:12:PM

The 'timeline of the alleged events', [involving 'Madeleine McCanns' demise] has been switched from having occurred on the evening of the '1st May 2007', to the '3rd May 2007', for the purpose of allowing the 'McCann parents' and their 'friends' to 'displace' the 'date' and 'time' , to 'a later occasion' ['3rd May 2007'] that / which 'portrayed them' in 'a better light'...

Whilst ever, the disappearance of 'Madeleine McCann' continues to rely upon a '3rd May 2007' script, the truth will never be discovered..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2021, 01:51:AM
At the beginning of the 'PJ' investigation, information was received which claimed that 'Madeleine' was 'presently' / 'currently' being held at the following address, and location:-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2021, 07:29:AM
The following business address, operates / operated from there...

Did this 'cleaning services business' have a 'cleaning contract' at the 'Ocean Club' , at around the time 'Madeleine McCann' went missing?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2021, 12:30:PM
Apparently, the informant who contacted the 'PJ' gave her Christian name [`only'] as, 'Patricia'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2021, 02:08:PM
Apparently, the informant who contacted the 'PJ' gave her Christian name [`only'] as, 'Patricia'...
Now, in recent days I have been trying to fathom out, who this lady [`Patricia'] 'was' / 'is'..

And, 'I have come across some useful information which' potentially' could / or might lead us towards finding out the truth in this matter, and the wider implications regarding what has happened to 'Madeleine Beth McCann'..

To begin with, however, I would just like to say, that 'I believe that' Madeleine ' was never physically present / inside apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, after midnight' 1st ' /' 2nd' [`May 2007']. It remains a very distinctive possibility that her ordeal, occurred on the evening of the '30th April 2007'..

The details contained in the various Creche logs, '1st', '2nd', and '3rd' of 'May, 2007' are 'a series of red herrings', introduced with the intention of keeping 'Madeleine' in the picture living a normal life within the family and complex routines, over [`possibly'] three days,  'or' as the case may be, during the '2nd' and the '3rd' of 'May'...

I think there is an excellent chance, of identifying who the informant, 'Patricia' was / is..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 19, 2021, 02:12:PM

To begin with, however, I would just like to say, that 'I believe that' Madeleine ' was never physically present / inside apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, after midnight' 1st ' /' 2nd' [`May 2007']. It remains a very distinctive possibility that her ordeal, occurred on the evening of the '30th April 2007'..

The details contained in the various Creche logs, '1st', '2nd', and '3rd' of 'May, 2007' are 'a series of red herrings', introduced with the intention of keeping 'Madeleine' in the picture living a normal life within the family and complex routines, over [`possibly'] three days,  'or' as the case may be, during the '2nd' and the '3rd' of 'May'...

I think there is an excellent chance, of identifying who the informant, 'Patricia' was / is..

Someone, who had the knowledge and wherewithal to make discrete enquiries in 'Lisbon', Portugal, within a matter of days. 'SOMEONE' who flew out from 'Manchester Airport' to 'Portugal' on 'Saturday' the '5th May, 2007', to lend and provide support to the 'McCann' family...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:11:AM
1 – What the UK Public have NOT been told about the Madeleine McCann POLICE INVESTIGATION FILES!!

The UK public have been prevented easy access to the police files which were released to the public in 2008 when the original investigation was shelved, pending further evidence.  (It has since been re-opened but the current police files remain under judicial secrecy until the PJ Polícia Judiciária conclude their investigation) View VIDEOS and details that may open your eyes to information that may shock you!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:35:AM
2 – McCanns Manipulated the Media !

 Everyone wants to know why the McCanns spent so much of the ‘Search for Madeleine FUND’ (a Limited company) on EXPENSIVE PR to change public opinion from HOSTILE to SYMPATHETIC and stop media reporting on details from the files. See the FACTS of their effort to prevent UK PUBLIC learning the TRUTH!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:36:AM
3 – NOT a ‘Bungled’ Portuguese Police Investigation – See the TRUTH!!

– Despite it being one of the biggest investigations in Portuguese history, false reports from DAY ONE and in subsequent media reports that the police ‘did nothing’. this page will give you the details of the immediate response.  You can view the FILES to see 310 diligences completed in the first couple of days and the ENORMOUS effort by the police to search for Madeleine.  The disgusting effort to discredit the police in the media has been thought to be to discredit the findings of the investigation which found many contradictions and discrepancies in the witness statements of the McCanns and their friends.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:37:AM
4 – Are the McCanns GUILTY or INNOCENT? You decide…

– The McCanns were declared Arguidos (suspects) in September 2007 following the FORENSIC results of BLOOD found in the apartment and in the car hired 3 weeks after Madeleine disappeared.  The results show markers matching Madeleine’s DNA and although it does not match 100% it does NOT EXCLUDE her DNA from being in those locations.  View VIDEOS and clips from INTERVIEWS and decide for yourself if there is a possibility they may be complicit in their daughter’s disappearance.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:38:AM
5 – McCanns – Road to Hell – From Victims to Arguidos

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:39:AM
6 – HOLIDAY TIMELINE – Why Did Discrepancies Start 2 Days Before Madeleine Disappeared?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:40:AM
7 – HiDeHo Theory and the RESEARCH that brought me to this CONCLUSION.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:41:AM
8 – Why did McCanns pay £100,000 to TRANSLATE Police InvestigationFiles BUT don’t want UK Public to see them? (3.08)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:42:AM
9 – NEGLECT? Are you SURE the McCanns neglected their children?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:42:AM
10 – Tavares Report – Madeleine DIED, Parents HID HER BODY and SIMULATED an abduction. (Illustrated)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:43:AM
11 – RIP Brenda, Linda & Dawn – We Will Always Remember – We Are Your Voice Now!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:46:AM
12 – Tapas 7 – Pressured by McCanns? – In Wrong Place at Wrong Time?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:47:AM
13 – VILE TROLLS? Facebook Groups fight back with the TRUTH from the Police Files – RIP Brenda Leyland
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:48:AM
14 – Was Madeleine Abducted? – Where is the PROOF? – Did she DIE in the apartment?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:50:AM
Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3rd 2007.  Her parents claimed it was an abduction.

The OFFICIAL PORTUGUESE POLICE INVESTIGATION FILES have been released and during their investigation they suggested that Madeleine DIED in the apartment, Her PARENTS HID HER BODY and they SIMULATED AN ABDUCTION.

Read the translated files, View the videos and DECIDE FOR YOURSELF!

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:54:AM
Watch the banned documentary based on the police investigation

https://youtu.be/x_ZdDTsFC2g
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:55:AM
Are UK Public kept in DARK? UK MEDIA not reporting IMPORTANT details about Madeleine McCann?

https://youtu.be/PylfEhVds6Q
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 10:59:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:02:AM
No Evidence of Abduction! – McCanns (1 of 2)

https://youtu.be/IaMAQY_pnPM
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:04:AM
No Evidence of Abduction! – McCanns (2 of 2)

https://youtu.be/rV9jozJWvNE
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:05:AM
The MANTRA!  ‘No Evidence that Madeleine is not alive’

In more than 8 years, with statistics against Madeleine being found alive, we hear the mantra over and over again…

That is the parent’s right.  No parent should ever give up on searching for their child.

Is it justified for the enormous amount of money to have been spent on looking for a child that statistically is likely dead?

Has the ‘abductor’ struck again and is ‘he’ a threat to other children? Not as far as anyone knows.

More than £10 MILLION of taxpayers money has been spent, and continues to be spent on ONE missing child.

Madeleine is dear to us all but how can it be justified?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:06:AM
Back in 2007 Clarence Mitchell spoke on behalf of the McCanns caliming that ‘Madeleine was probably dead!’  The following day several newspapers claimed Gerry INSISTS they don’t believe she is dead!

Would this ‘faux pas’ hamper the search or would Madeleine’f fund suffer and have to be closed if Madeleine was thought to have died?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:07:AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleines-probably-dead-514171

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:23:AM
VILE TROLLS? F/B groups FIGHT BACK with SHOCKING FACTS from the POLICE FILES about Madeleine McCann!

Leicestershire POLICE ‘No further action will be taken against dozens of people accused of targeting online abuse at the family of Madeleine McCann, Sky sources have revealed.’

I wonder how it feels to have put all that time and effort into putting all the ‘abuse’ together and having the cops tell you nothing is bad enough to prosecute. In other words, everyone that believed I would be arrested actually have no concept about what real abuse is. They have been proven to be WRONG in their evaluation of what is considered ‘abuse’.

How can being proactive in looking at questionable behaviour of the parents in an ‘abduction’ be considered abuse, especially when it’ is the same as what a POLICE INVESTIGATION shows?

We are not trolls or ‘haters’, in fact, doesn’t that title belongs to those that seek every avenue to discredit others that don’t agree with their opinion and in doing so target individuals to satisfy their own agenda and ego?

This video helps explain WHY those messages were based on TRUTH!

https://youtu.be/73Qrqj87gv4

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:26:AM
http://news.sky.com/story/1345871/evil-trolls-in-hate-campaign-against-mccanns

‘Evil’ Trolls In Hate Campaign Against McCanns

By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent

The Metropolitan Police is investigating a catalogue of vile internet abuse targeting the family of Madeleine McCann including death threats, Sky News can reveal.

Officers are in talks with the Crown Prosecution Service after being handed a dossier of more than 80 pages of Tweets, Facebook posts and messages on online forums aimed at Kate and Gerry McCann.

Over the past few years hundreds of shocking messages have been posted by ‘trolls’ who believe – despite no evidence – that the McCanns had some involvement in the disappearance of their daughter in Portugal in 2007.

These include suggestions that the McCanns should be tortured and killed and calls for them to “burn in hell”.

Some messages are even directed at Madeleine’s younger siblings, now aged nine.


Play video “Some Material ‘Really Disturbing'”


Video: Some Material ‘Really Disturbing’

Manipulated images involving the McCanns – many of them graphic – are also in wide circulation online.

One troll – who uses the Twitter identity “Sweepyface” and has posted dozens of anti-McCann messages using the #mccann hashtag – was confronted by Sky News.

When asked about her use of social media to attack the couple, she replied: “I’m entitled to.”

The dossier – compiled by members of the public alarmed at the online treatment of the McCanns and shown to Sky News – calls on police and MPs to act to crack down on such abuse.


Play video “McCanns Abused On Social Media”


Video: McCanns Abused On Social Media

The Met wrote to the campaigners: “In consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service and the McCann family the material will now be assessed and decisions made as to what further action if any should be undertaken.”

Among the messages identified in the dossier is an exchange on a message board which reads: “These 2 should burn in hell”; “I will supply the petrol”; “I’ll supply the lighter – happily”.

Other posts include: “We need some numbers for some assassins on taps”, “I hope that the McCanns are living in total misery” and “I want to see them smashed up the back of a bus or trampled by horses”.

In one of her tweets “Sweepyface” called for the McCanns to suffer “for the rest of their miserable lives”.


Play video “Sky News Confronts McCann ‘Troll'”


Video: Sky News Confronts McCann ‘Troll’

Many social media users have expressed anger towards the internet trolls following news of the investigation into abuse of the McCanns.

However, a significant number have also voiced their support for ‘Sweepyface’, who has since deactivated her Twitter account.

In addition to threats and abuse, several trolls have claimed to live nearby to the McCanns in Leicestershire and reported on their movements.

The campaigner spearheading the appeal – who has asked to remain anonymous – told Sky News: “We’re very worried that it’s only going to take somebody to act out of some of these discussions, some of the threats that have been made, and we couldn’t live with ourselves if that happened and we had done nothing.”


Play video “Sky’s Martin Brunt On McCann Abuse”


Video: Sky’s Martin Brunt On McCann Abuse

Author Anthony Summers, whose book Looking for Madeleine was published last month, said: “There is a campaign of hatred against the parents.

“It is venomous and vitriolic, most of it done by cowards. We are taken aback by the extent of the sheer evil behind it all.”

Sara Payne has become a campaigner for parents’ right to a controlled access to the Sex Offenders Register since her daughter, Sarah, was murdered in 2000.

Responding to the story of the abuse against the McCanns on Twitter, she wrote: “About time, they are certainly not the only victims but they are the most abused.


Play video “Sept 7: ‘Charity Worker’ A Suspect?”


Video: Sept 7: ‘Charity Worker’ A Suspect?

“I hope this means this kind of disgusting abuse will finally be stopped.”

A spokesperson for the Crown Prosecution Service said: “Police have alerted us to this information and an early discussion has taken place.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:31:AM
By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent

The Metropolitan Police is investigating a catalogue of vile internet abuse targeting the family of Madeleine McCann including death threats, Sky News can reveal.

Officers are in talks with the Crown Prosecution Service after being handed a dossier of more than 80 pages of Tweets, Facebook posts and messages on online forums aimed at Kate and Gerry McCann.

Over the past few years hundreds of shocking messages have been posted by ‘trolls’ who believe – despite no evidence – that the McCanns had some involvement in the disappearance of their daughter in Portugal in 2007.

These include suggestions that the McCanns should be tortured and killed and calls for them to “burn in hell”.

Some messages are even directed at Madeleine’s younger siblings, now aged nine.


Play video “Some Material ‘Really Disturbing'”


Video: Some Material ‘Really Disturbing’

Manipulated images involving the McCanns – many of them graphic – are also in wide circulation online.

One troll – who uses the Twitter identity “Sweepyface” and has posted dozens of anti-McCann messages using the #mccann hashtag – was confronted by Sky News.

When asked about her use of social media to attack the couple, she replied: “I’m entitled to.”

The dossier – compiled by members of the public alarmed at the online treatment of the McCanns and shown to Sky News – calls on police and MPs to act to crack down on such abuse.


Play video “McCanns Abused On Social Media”


Video: McCanns Abused On Social Media

The Met wrote to the campaigners: “In consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service and the McCann family the material will now be assessed and decisions made as to what further action if any should be undertaken.”

Among the messages identified in the dossier is an exchange on a message board which reads: “These 2 should burn in hell”; “I will supply the petrol”; “I’ll supply the lighter – happily”.

Other posts include: “We need some numbers for some assassins on taps”, “I hope that the McCanns are living in total misery” and “I want to see them smashed up the back of a bus or trampled by horses”.

In one of her tweets “Sweepyface” called for the McCanns to suffer “for the rest of their miserable lives”.


Play video “Sky News Confronts McCann ‘Troll'”


Video: Sky News Confronts McCann ‘Troll’

Many social media users have expressed anger towards the internet trolls following news of the investigation into abuse of the McCanns.

However, a significant number have also voiced their support for ‘Sweepyface’, who has since deactivated her Twitter account.

In addition to threats and abuse, several trolls have claimed to live nearby to the McCanns in Leicestershire and reported on their movements.

The campaigner spearheading the appeal – who has asked to remain anonymous – told Sky News: “We’re very worried that it’s only going to take somebody to act out of some of these discussions, some of the threats that have been made, and we couldn’t live with ourselves if that happened and we had done nothing.”


Play video “Sky’s Martin Brunt On McCann Abuse”


Video: Sky’s Martin Brunt On McCann Abuse

Author Anthony Summers, whose book Looking for Madeleine was published last month, said: “There is a campaign of hatred against the parents.

“It is venomous and vitriolic, most of it done by cowards. We are taken aback by the extent of the sheer evil behind it all.”

Sara Payne has become a campaigner for parents’ right to a controlled access to the Sex Offenders Register since her daughter, Sarah, was murdered in 2000.

Responding to the story of the abuse against the McCanns on Twitter, she wrote: “About time, they are certainly not the only victims but they are the most abused.


Play video “Sept 7: ‘Charity Worker’ A Suspect?”


Video: Sept 7: ‘Charity Worker’ A Suspect?

“I hope this means this kind of disgusting abuse will finally be stopped.”

A spokesperson for the Crown Prosecution Service said: “Police have alerted us to this information and an early discussion has taken place.”

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:36:AM
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:44:AM
Inquest: McCann Troll’s Death Was Suicide
15:18, UK, Friday 20 March 2015

Brenda Leyland
Brenda Leyland had tweeted under the name Sweepyface
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:46:AM
Inquest: McCann Troll’s Death Was Suicide
15:18, UK, Friday 20 March 2015

Brenda Leyland
Brenda Leyland had tweeted under the name Sweepyface

By Ashish Joshi, Sky News Correspondent

A Leicester coroner has concluded a woman found dead days after she featured in a Sky News report into online trolling took her own life.

Brenda Leyland was found dead in a Leicester hotel room in October 2014.

An inquest into her death at Leicester’s Coroners Court heard witness testimony from a toxicologist, two police officers, Mrs Leyland’s former psychiatrist and two Sky News employees.

A written statement from Mrs Leyland’s youngest son, Benjamin, was read to the court.

He said: “I have no doubt in my mind that the panic and fear that I heard in her voice after the Sky News interview was the final straw that pushed my mum to do what she did.

“She was broken, destroyed.”

Mr Leyland, who lives in America, described his mother as a woman who “felt it hard to connect with people”.

He wrote: “She struggled with depression. She had undergone psychiatric treatment and medicated for anxiety. The court was also told that there had been a previous suicide attempt.”

Sky News’ Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt, who challenged Brenda Leyland about her alleged online trolling in a report for the channel, said he had talked to Mrs Leyland on the telephone after approaching her but before the report had been broadcast.

He said: “I asked her how she was and she said ‘Oh, I had thought about ending it all but I’m feeling better, I’ve had a drink I’ve spoken to my son who has told me I’ve been a silly, stupid woman.”

Mr Brunt was asked by Coroner Catherine Mason if he thought it was a throwaway line.

He replied: “Yes”.

Detective Sergeant Steven Hutchings told the court that Mrs Leyland had posted more than 2,000 tweets under the name Sweepyface.

Of these, 424 mentioned Gerry and Kate McCann. The couple’s three-year-old daughter Madeleine was taken from the family’s Portugal holiday apartment in 2007.

In recording a verdict of suicide, the coroner said: “I’m satisfied although Mrs Leyland had a mental health history, that others would not necessarily have known that she was suffering from mental health (problems).

“She had mentioned wanting to take her own life but then dismissed it. I don’t think it could have been known to anybody that there was a definite intention for her to take her own life.”

A Sky News statement issued after the coroner’s verdict said the broadcaster was confident that no editorial guidelines were breached.

“The team at Sky News followed its editorial guidelines and pursued a story in a responsible manner that we believed was firmly in the public interest,” the statement said.

“Brenda Leyland’s tragic death highlights the unforeseeable human impact that the stories we pursue can have, and Sky News would like to extend its sincere condolences to her family.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:47:AM
http://news.sky.com/story/1475870/mccann-trolls-police-wont-take-action

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Police say some of the online messages sent to the family were “extremely distasteful”, but none would lead to prosecutions.

12:51, UK,Friday 01 May 2015

Kate and Gerry McCann pose with a computer generated image of how their missing daughter Madeleine might look now, during a news conference in London
Gerry McCann said last year that trolls should be prosecuted
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:49:AM
won a libel case against a former detective in Portugal

In his bestselling book, Goncalo Amaral claimed the McCanns hid their daughter’s body and faked an abduction after she died in an accident.

A civil court in Lisbon ordered Mr Amaral to pay €606,000 (£433,000) to the McCanns.


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:51:AM
12 – Tapas 7 – Pressured by McCanns? – In Wrong Place at Wrong Time?

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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:54:AM
http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy/WELCOME-to-HDH-Controversy-Info/McCanns-accused-of-pressuring-Tapas-Nine-to-keep-them-silent-1-2308290.html

Daily Mail
McCanns accused of pressuring Tapas Nine to ‘keep them silent’  Last updated at 15:04pm on 12th November 2007
Madeleine McCann’s parents faced fresh allegations today that they are pressurising their friends into keeping silent over the events surrounding their daughter’s disappearance.

One of the “Tapas nine” who was dining with the couple on the night Madeleine vanished is said to feel “obliged to keep silent”.
Respected Spanish newspaper El Mundo quoted an un-named lawyer, said to represent the friend, criticising the McCanns’ advisers.
The lawyer told the newspaper: “My client feels obliged to keep silent about what he can do to help the investigation, and not because of the Portuguese secrecy laws.
“This is very revealing about the strange circumstances surrounding this case.
“It’s not that he is scared of the McCanns, but the economic and political lobby surrounding the couple is truly frightening to anybody.
“What my client wants is to reveal the whole truth, but he does not mean to accuse or blame anyone, as that is the job of the police.
“The only thing he wants is to help the police discover the truth about what happened before, during and after that dinner on May 3.”
Last week El Mundo reported that lawyers acting for two of the McCanns’ friends have contacted Portuguese police to say they wish to “correct” certain parts of their statements.
Gerry and Kate McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell denied the report and said it was not true that any of the couple’s friends want to change their stories.
But the British lawyer, who has an office in London, told El Mundo: “If you take into account all of the pressure that has been placed on my client and on other people, it is perfectly natural and understandable that my client has not told Clarence Mitchell of his decision to hire his own lawyer to co-operate more closely with the police.”
Four of the Tapas Nine: (clockwise from top left) Fiona Payne, Jane Tanner, Russell O’ Brien, Rachael Oldfield. Not pictured are Matthew Oldfield, David Payne, and Dianne Webster
The lawyer also claimed that on the night of May 3 the McCanns did not call the police until they had discussed the possible implications for them of having left their three children alone in the holiday apartment.
The lawyer said: “The police were only informed after the group in question analysed the problems they could face for having left the children alone, and until now, my client has not had the opportunity to talk for himself about it all.”
The lawyer, who is said to have been hired by the friend in September, was also critical of the help the McCanns have been given by the British authorities.
He said: “I understand perfectly that our government is legally obliged to help the McCanns.
“What I can’t understand is that they have received help which goes far beyond what would be considered normal in a case like this.
“However, from the very beginning it has been clear that the Madeleine case is not a normal police case.
“It’s not my job to have to explain why and how certain politicians have intervened in this case, but I’m afraid these interventions have been prejudicial not only to my client, but also for determining the truth.
“My client has not received any personal support from the British authorities, only that which has come through the McCann couple.
“I don’t want to accuse anyone, but there are people very close to the McCanns who are not helping them at all.
“The intention of my client is to bring to light the truth of this sad story, without any concern for who might be implicated.”
Four of the Tapas Nine, the name given to Gerry and Kate McCann and the seven friends they were dining with on the night Madeleine disappeared from the holiday complex in the Algarve, have reportedly brought in their own lawyers as they prepared to be named as official suspects.
Missing: And, at the centre of it all, four-year-old Madeleine McCann, who has been missing for six months
A Sunday newspaper named the four as Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, Matthew Oldfield and Dr David Payne.
It claimed they had been warned they would join the McCanns and Robert Murat as “arguidos” after the discovery by Portuguese investigators of inconsistencies in key statements made immediately after Madeleine vanished.
Dr Payne, a 41-year-old cardiovascular researcher from Leicester, was the last person outside the McCann family to see Madeleine at the Ocean Club resort on May 3.
Gerry asked him to check on his wife and children while he having a tennis lesson at about 6.30pm.
Attention has also focused on Jane Tanner’s claim she saw a man carrying a girl from the McCanns’ ground floor apartment at about 9.15pm – when another witness says he was outside the flat at the same time but did not see her or the mystery man.
Mr Oldfield, 37, from south London, has said he entered the McCanns’ apartment to check on the children about 30 minutes before Madeleine was reported missing by her mum.
He told police that although he had seen the McCanns’ two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, their sister’s bed was out of his sight-line.
Dr O’Brien, 36, from Exeter, was away from the group for up to 45 minutes between 9.30pm until 10.15pm while he tended to his own child who was sick in his apartment.
He told police he had changed her bedlinen, but staff at the Ocean Club were said to have denied any change of sheets was requested.
The McCanns and their friends have always denied any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance – and insist she was kidnapped.
They are barred by strict Portuguese secrecy laws from speaking about the events of May 3 but recently issued a statement denying they had a “pact of silence” or that they were covering up a secret. Portuguese police are preparing to send a three-man team led by chief investigator Paulo Rebelo to the UK to reinterview the Tapas Nine.
British detectives will ask questions put to them by their Portuguese counterparts.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:55:AM
https://youtu.be/gmiiKTHsN74

 
A message posted in 3A approx 2008.  There was no intention of it being any more than a regular comment to a thread but was published on many blogs and apparently a copy sent to the hospital where Matthew worked…. I wrote it from my heart…
 
 
Matthew…. I realise that sometimes memory can play tricks but recognising Thursday May 3rd as such an important day, I’m sure that a day or so later it would not have been difficult for you to remember the main details and there would be no reason for them to not be consistent with your other friends. Therefore I ask you this….
Chivying the Paynes
You claim to have gone to chivvy the Paynes just prior to 9.00pm May 3rd.
 
You claim to have passed the at the top of the road…
May 10th -The deponent added that DP, FP and DW were still not present – and as he could see their apartment lights burning – he resolved to go to them, clarifying that he did not reach that apartment as those people were already on their way to the restaurant. He clarifies [further] thathe met them near the living quarters, at the corner next to the main door of the McCann apartment. Fiona claims to have passed you outside 5A
 
David Payne claims to have passed you by the swimming pool
 
Dianne Webster was absolutely sure you weren’t there…
 
Until the Rogatory interviews when she says that David and Fiona reminded her…..
 
Who is lying? Mens Social Tennis You claim to have seen Kate and the children when you arrived and the other women and children joined them later. when they arrived at that meeting GM was already there, with KM and her children watching the match, the rest of the women and children joining them [KM and children] later. Kate tells us she didn’t go to the tennis courts.  Madeleine was tired and Kate and Gerry carried Madeleine back to te apartment at 5.40 when you were still down at the beach. You say you finished at 7.00pm and you, David and Russell went back to your apartments, but David did not make it back to the tennis courts until  6.45pm at the very earliest as before he started playing he stopped at Kates apartment nd saw the children including Madeleine. Where was he? With you or at Kates apartment? Are you lying or is David lying? Thursday lunch You claim to have gone to Paynes for lunch on Thursday. Fiona says they had lunch alone and you had lunch with Rachael, Russell and Jane. I would consider that easy to remember so who is lying? Fiona or yourself? If so, then why? Checking the children You claim to have left the table with Russell at 9.25, (justifying two of you checking 3 apartments).  You walked up to the top of the road and went to your apartment next to the McCanns. After checking you went to Russells apartment where his daughter was crying and had vomited.  Russell decided to stay and look after his daughter so you walked through his apartment and left through the back way as this was the shortest route for you to check te McCanns children. You went  a short distance inside the apartment, saw the two cots, noticed more light in their room than in your daughters room next door and you then left. You claim to have returned to the tapas restaurant at around 9.30pm within 5 minutes of the time you left. I would question whether that was possible, considering it takes a couple of minutes to walk the distance to the front doors of the apartments, added to going into your apartment, closing and locking and then visiting Russell and walking through his apartment and through the back gate, up to the McCanns apartment, in through the sliding doors, back down and walking back to the restaurant. I would guess it took a little longer than less than 5 minutes…Important to be precise as the timeline is important considering Madeleine apparently disappeared around that time. It is more likely that you did not return until at least 9.35pm and told everyone that things were fine. May I ask you…..Were you REALLY checking the children as you say? Why did you tell Kate you would check on Madeleine? Why not her ‘children’? I believe that you went on that holiday with the belief that your children would be looked after properly while you shared time with your friends for the evening meal. I feel there is no question that you love and care  lot for your little girl. I don’t believe that you would leave her alone in the apartment.  I think you all had arrangements in place for the children to be watched. You were apparently ‘ill’ on Sunday night,  Rachael was apparently ‘ill’ on Wednesday night (there is also a question as to whether she was ‘ill’ on Tuesday night also). Your apartment was right next door to Kate and Gerry’s and only 2 doors away from Russell and Janes apartment, so it would have made so much sense for you to share watching the children and, I believe you did! How were you to know that something terrible would happen to Madeleine? Did Gerry tell you straight away or did he wait until he hd figured out what he was going to do, and then ask for your support leaving you no time to think straight or realise the repercussions. I’m sure he made you feel confident that he knew what he was doing and to trust him.  All you had to do was to avoid discussing the obvious and to just follow the plan. I am sure you were shocked and devasted about what had happened and probably had many questions that maybe, to this day, remain unanswered. Had this situation happened to you, it would have been handled differently and there must have been many hours of discussing this with Rachael (and maybe, Russell and Jane). You followed the ‘procedure’, for that night, hoping that you were doing the right thing but what option did you have? I’m sure there was a lot of pressure to follow the plan as everyone else was, and goodness knows what would have happened had you ‘broken ranks’ and contacted the police, but you were probably assured that everything would be OK. You had not done anything wrong and you maybe, didn’t know all the details and it all happened so quickly…… I think it was you (or Russell) who did not want the media contacted.  Gerry and Dave wanted to, so you probably had no choice in the matter. You had no idea of the repercussions from your decision to ‘support’ Gerry and Kate. You ‘trusted’ this man (that you actually found quite boring) but he abused your trust and  because of his arrogance and subsequent greed your life has been devastated. You didn’t deserve that.  You made a mistake and you will ‘pay’ for it for the rest of your life. If you could re-live those moments again, there would be no question you would have handled it differently. I wonder whether its too late to make a difference…. You have tremendous pressure right now to remain quiet about everything that happened. You are living with the knowledge and you, as well as Gerry and Kate and the others are hoping that the information contained in the police files and the videos of the dogs finding cadaver scent on Kates clothes and behind their couch and in the car, are not going to make headlines in Britain. You, of course know that once they do, your life, and that of Rachael and your daughter will not only suffer the consequences of what those in the general public will know about your part in the simulated abduction but don’t forget what is most important to you…… Can your family and friends have the same respect for you ever again? Can you imagine a life where you will never again be trusted and the hurt you will have imposed on all the innocent members of your family? The information WILL become available, you know that… You wish for it all to go away but you know it won’t….You have far worse to go through yet. There are millions of people all over the world that care about Madeleine, many of them do not know the details that the police report revealed.  You can read it all here…
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 11:59:AM
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_AMELIA.htm

 report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation. There are thousands of people that have been privy to reading all the details of the police investigation. Unlike Kate and Gerry, who used ‘public money’ to be able to read it, the files were translated freely by wonderful people that care enough about Madeleine to put their heart and soul into seeking the truth. All of these people have put in millions of hours.  They would have willingly helped Kate and Gerry in their search for Madeleine had they been asked, at no cost to anyone! Unfortunately, Kate and Gerry didn’t ask anyone to help.  Everyone knows why and so do you… Matthew, am I underestimating you? Is the support of Kate and Gerry worth more than your own self respect and the respect of your family? I know you have the courage to do whats right. Your family will be proud of you and people all over the world will one day, maybe, be able to forgive you for lying.  You probably felt it was the right thing to do at the time and after that, you thought there was no turning back, but you can make a difference now…. It will not be easy and you will be taking a step that will place you in the line of fire from everyone that has been deceived up until now, but in the end you will have, at least, a little peace,  knowing that regardless of a bad decision you made three years ago in Praia da Luz you will finally be able to hold your head up high. If you can find it within your heart to free yourself of the pressure by doing what is right, and when the truth is made public, you will find that you have the support of thousands of members from forums dedicated to finding justice for little Maddie. Only then can Madeleine be laid to Rest in Peace with the dignity and respect that she deserves. Matthew…. Do it for yourself, do it for your family but most of all do it for precious little Madeleine… She no longer has a voice and she needs you…..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 12:09:PM
http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy/WELCOME-to-HDH-Controversy-Info/HiDeHo-s-Message-to-Matthew-Oldfield-1-2308268.html

Gerald Patrick McCann – apartment 5 A Kate Marie Healy – apartment 5 A David Anthony Payne – apartment 5 H Fiona Elaine Payne – apartment 5 H Dianne Webster – apartment 5 H Russel James O’Brien – apartment 5 D Jane Michelle Tanner – apartment 5 D Matthew David Oldfield – apartment 5 B Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly – apartment 5 B

https://hidehocontroversyofmadeleinemccann.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/t9-apts-close.jpg

A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Although the entire group was at the table and starting the meal, they began the ‘visits’ to the children in a way that is neither coherent nor acceptable; that could not be confirmed and only the group defends it, in a sort of ‘unique version’.




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 12:12:PM
https://hidehocontroversyofmadeleinemccann.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/voice.jpg

https://youtu.be/OWT9qXT_ikk

The above video dedicated to Brenda Leyland (Sweepyface) shows footage of the doorstpping incident by Martin Brunt.  Sadly, two days later Brenda took her own life….

https://youtu.be/LMih8I_EZk



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 12:15:PM
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Ironside.htm

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 12:19:PM
BLOGGING FOR AMARAL
We blog all day and deep into the night,
For a battle, a cause and sometimes a fight,
Trying not to disturb those who sleep on,
Spouses in our beds, know not, we are gone,
We blog about JUSTICE for a three year old girl,
She has a droplet in her eye, shaped oval, like a pearl,
Parents she had, who claimed that they cared,
The truth amongst nine, only, they shared,
To the rest of the world, she was TAKEN, alone,
From an apartment, and not from her home,
Her parents have lied , why, is not clear,
From something they’ve done, or just through pure fear,
Goncalo Amaral, in charge of the case,
Ordered the McCanns for a talk, face to face,
The mother, refused, to help her small child,
Any other mother , who would be going wild,
The father, he knew, about the ‘ cadaver dogs’,
His ONLY concern, writing daily, on blogs,
Telling us all about his daily life,
He and his LADY, this terrible wife,,
There is no PROOF, we are constantly told,
Sometimes I fear, I will blog, till I’m old,
FRAUD, the McCanns know, is a serious charge,
AND yet they still do it, to the public, at large,
Goncalo Amaral has laid his life on the line,
It is a cause and there’s no turning around,
The truth about Madeleine, it must be found.


IRONSIDE
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 12:21:PM
McCLIP: Tavares de Almeida UNDER OATH tells of BLOOD and CADAVER odour in McCann residences and car

https://hidehocontroversyofmadeleinemccann.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/tavaressummary_zps66f4e391.jpg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 20, 2021, 12:27:PM
From the Portuguese Police Files released July 2008

A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS
Intercalary report

For the attention of the
Criminal Investigation Coordinator

September 10th 2007

***
Madeleine Beth McCann was born on the 12th of May 2003.
She has been missing since the 3rd of May 2007, a fact that took place in Praia da Luz, in Lagos.

From everything that was established, the facts point in the direction that the death of Madeleine McCann occurred, on the night of May 3rd of 2007, inside apartment 5A, at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, which was occupied by the McCann couple and by their three children;

The child’s parents immediately attributed the fact (disappearance) to the action of a third party, defending the ABDUCTION.

The group’s members held a meeting during which they agreed on certain rules that sustained a version of continuous checking of the children, while they dined
 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2021, 12:15:PM
Despite the McCann parents making claims that the 'PJ' were not helping them to find out what had happened to 'Madeleine', it seems to me, that the parents, and other group members, were dealing with people  who convinced them, that 'they' had taken, 'Maddie' and there was a demand for a large amount of money ['euroes'] for the safe return of their daughter!

Behind the scenes, 'Gerry McCann' was in phone contact ('and' exchange of 'messages' /' instructions' regarding how the matter could be resolved!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 22, 2021, 12:21:PM
Despite the McCann parents making claims that the 'PJ' were not helping them to find out what had happened to 'Madeleine', it seems to me, that the parents, and other group members, were dealing with people  who convinced them, that 'they' had taken, 'Maddie' and there was a demand for a large amount of money ['euroes'] for the safe return of their daughter!

Behind the scenes, 'Gerry McCann' was in phone contact ('and' exchange of 'messages' /' instructions') regarding how the matter could be resolved!

In the first public appearance (on 'Sky News') 'Gerald McCann' Read out a statement intended primarily for the attention of the person, or people, who claimed they had got 'Madeleine'..

'words cannot describe the anguish and despair that we are feeling as the parents of our beautiful daughter, Madeleine.We req', we request that anyone  Who may have any information relating to 'Madeleines' disappearance, no matter how trivial contact the Portuguese police and help her get back safely. Please, if you have 'Madeleine', let her come home to her mummy, daddy, brother and sister'!


As far as is known, this handwritten note was never seized as part of the police investigation(s), because the 'McCanns gave this to one of those who had some involvement with disposing of their daughters body!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 23, 2021, 02:35:PM
Scotland Yard and Portuguese police fall out over identity of key Madeleine McCann suspect


SCOTLAND Yard’s hunt for Madeleine McCann is in jeopardy because of foot-dragging by Portuguese police who think they know who was responsible for her disappearance.

By: James Murray

High-ranking officers in Portugal are convinced African thief Euclides Monteiro took Madeleine and was responsible for sex attacks on five other British girls before being killed in a tractor accident in 2009.

However, the frustrated Yard team believes there is insufficient evidence. One attack believed to be significant to the Madeleine inquiry took place the year after Monteiro died. The clash is threatening to stall the Yard probe at a crucial time, with detectives here having made 287 requests for leads to be  pursued in Portugal.

The Sunday Express understands they have asked for forensic work at holiday apartments where sex attacks took place, in their hunt for a breakthrough clue, a fingerprint or hair.

Yet delays by Portuguese officials are slowing progress and increasing tensions between the two forces.

Last week Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt admitted he was “frustrated” with the pace of the investigation.

The Yard is interested in Monteiro but pointedly declined to name him during a briefing for journalists last week when it made a fresh appeal for help from the public. The ex-junkie was sacked as a waiter at an Ocean Club restaurant in Praia da Luz for stealing a year before Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment there in May 2007.

Portuguese police have been interested in the volume of calls on his mobile phone on the night she vanished, which indicate he was near the scene.

Yard officers want to know if he acted alone as a thief or was part of a wider, more sinister paedophile ring which could still pose a risk to British children holidaying on the Algarve.

They also want to investigate possible links with burglars operating in Praia da Luz whom he was known to associate with.

Last week the Yard revealed it was focusing on 12 “potentially” linked break-ins between 2004 and 2010 on the western Algarve. In four cases between 2004 and 2006 a man sexually assaulted five white girls aged between seven and 10 in their beds. Two were assaulted in one villa.

The man remained calm throughout all the attacks and even when disturbed by waking parents or children he made no attempt to run away, leaving villas slowly, apparently unconcerned about being caught.

Two break-ins occurred in Praia da Luz in 2006 and 2010 but children were not assaulted in those incidents. As Monteiro died in 2009 he could not have been responsible for the last break-in in 2010.

In most of the 12 cases nothing was taken and there was no sign of forced entry, suggesting access to holiday apartment keys. All were within about an hour’s drive.

The Yard said: “Witnesses describe the man as having dark, as in tanned, skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke English with a foreign accent. His voice was described as slow or possibly slurred.”

McCANN ID Pic 01

Witnesses describe the man as having dark, as in tanned, skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke English with a foreign accent. His voice was described as slow or possibly slurred

Scotland Yard

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said: “We need to establish the identity of this man. These offences are very serious and no one has been charged. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.”

Portuguese police later leaked that the person being sought was identified by their officers as Monteiro, although he was never formally charged with any of the offences because of insufficient evidence.

However, the information offered by the Yard suggests it is far from convinced by the evidence uncovered by Portuguese detectives. They have Monteiro’s DNA as the Cape Verde immigrant had served time for theft.

British officers have pointed out to the Portuguese that a key sighting of a man holding a child in Luz at 10pm, shortly after Madeleine was taken, was not of a black man. Irishman Martin Smith and family saw him.

Former Portuguese inspector Goncalo Amaral was about to fly Mr Smith to Portugal when he was removed from the case. DCI Redwood said last week: “We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description towards the beach or town at about 22.00 on the night Madeleine disappeared.

“The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 27, 2021, 07:14:AM
It can now be confirmed, that the 'McCann parents' were in regular contact with someone who purportedly had taken 'Madeleine', this contact started on 'Tuesday', the '1st May 2007' by exchange of 'telephone calls' , and 'text messaging'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 27, 2021, 09:19:AM
Euclides Monteiro did look a good suspect but apparently has been ruled out. https://www.portugalresident.com/madeleine-dna-finally-clears-dead-suspect/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 29, 2021, 12:23:PM
'Carol Tranmers' sighting of the 'suspiciously behaving', 'blond haired man' she saw behaving cautiously  at the gate of 'apartment 5A', at 6.30pm on the evening of Thursday the 3rd of May 2007, was obviously 'not', 'David Payne', who has stated that at that precise time, 'he' had left the 'tennis Court' to go and see 'Kate McCann' who was supposedly with 'all of her three siblings' back at, or inside, 'apartment 5A'...

'David Payne', does not see anyone along the way to the 'McCann' residence', neither in the street, or at the gate that affords entry and exit to the  concrete steps leading up to the patio with its sliding patio double door. It is not yet even clear, which door entrance 'David Payne' claims he went through to get inside so that he could speak to 'Kate'.

Funnily enough, 'Carol Tranmer' never claims to have seen 'David Payne' arrive at the exact same time, that 'the blonde haired man', was 'leaving the apartment', that leads me to suspect, that 'the following persons' of 'interest' were somehow 'factored' into 'the mystery' of the disappearance of ' Madeleine McCann':-

'Gerald McCann'
'David Payne'
'Kate McCann'
'Blonde haired man' ( 1) observed by 'Carol Tranmer'
'Blonde Haired man' (2) an accomplice of Christian (B)

 'Nicole FEHLINGER' and 'Christian Bruckner' were living together in premises where she lived, and later, moved into 'Bruckners' Camper Van [`rent free']. It seems like the man and woman who were seen to enter the 'McCann apartment' when 'Madeleine had been reportedly crying from between 10.30pm - 11.45pm, on the evening of Tuesday the 1st May 2007', was - is, 'Christian Bruckner' and 'Nicole Fehlinger'. This almost certainly involved one or other of the couple, watching the McCann family, from the time of their arrival in Portugal, and when the opportunity arose on the evening of 'Tuesday, the 1st May 2007' when the 'McCann parents' and some of their group left the tapas bar restaurant after they had finished their evening meal, and instead of returning to their respective apartments, went from the small reception entrance, downhill ('not up hill to their residence') but instead went downhill, to 'Chaplins Bar' near to 'the beach' , the 'church' and 'the derelict building' at '5 Ave De Pescadores' they stayed at 'Chaplins Bar' until after midnight. 'Kate' had returned before 'Gerald McCann' eventually got back to '5A'. She had been angry with him whilst in 'Chaplins Bar' because 'she' said that 'he had been ignoring her ever since they had left the tapas bar' at around 10.00pm that same night. Police now know that the person using a mobile phone no used to contact 'Christian Bruckner' at around 9.30pm, on the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007, belonged to 'Nicole Fehlinger', police also now know that one or other of the couple was inside 'Chaplins Bar' at the time that crucial call was being made....

'David Payne' does not see 'Carol Tranmer, on' her aunties' veranda [`Mrs Fenn] casting a gaze below to where 'Apartment 5A' belonging to the 'McCann family' were staying..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on July 31, 2021, 10:59:AM
'Nicole Fehlinger' [a Child Therapist] is suspected of being the 'female' who was seen in the street across from the apartment of the 'McCanns' looking towards apartment '5A' [`previously believed to have been` Charlotte Elizabeth Anne Pennington', 'A child care worker employed by the Ocean Club`] ... '

There was obviously some concern that the 'McCann parents' and 'the rest of their mob' were leaving their children unsupervised back at their insecure apartments!

The matter came to a head, on the evening when the 'McCann parents', and 'others' , went towards the beach and a late night party at 'Chaplins Bar' (Tuesday, the 1st May, 2007)..

 At least one member of the Ocean Club staff, was observing them, which paved the way for an intrusion into 'apartment 5A' by a couple, who took 'Madeleine' to look after her, because she was obviously distressed by what was going on in that apartment, whilst the parents were cavorting a long distance away [`Chaplins Bar']!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 03, 2021, 09:26:PM
Another twist in the saga..https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/maddie-prime-suspect-christian-b-24611447
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 07, 2021, 07:02:PM
'trust me', that 'Madeleine McCann' did not get Abducted or taken, on the evending of 'Thursday, the 3rd of May, 2007', she was gone at the back end of 'Tuesday, the 1st of May'...

Offered as 'a [`symbolic'] satanic sacrifice' by both parents, and other group members!

'When the actual truth' becomes public', everyone who seeks the truth, will discover that 'Madeleine McCanns' demise, was arranged and organised on an international level. Those in power, who are real deal satanists, 'know that', 'Madeleine' was officially and 'physically' sacrificed, on the last minutes of 'WALPURGUS Night' [`1st May, 2007']. The child is no longer alive, she was 'murdered' by the 'elete European satanist' members, of which either, or both parents, and members of their holiday group, are [`were/are'] also members...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 10, 2021, 10:56:AM
Satanic rituals are practised by the government's and high profile celebrities on a massive scale worldwide!

These ceremonies, that these wicked and evil swines participate in, in the worship of 'Lucifer' must be eradicated and nullified...

I Think, the UK government, the Portuguese government, and other governments associated with the European  agreement that was in place at the time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearance were /are 'jointly involved in the cover up'!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 12, 2021, 06:18:PM
UK tax payers money is / has been wasted in the futile attempt, to cover up what all of the high ranking satanists, and their supporters, did and got up to in this matter!? It is my belief, that many of the witness statements which have surfaced of late, were not even made by the witness whose name appears on the pages of such statements...

What the world at large are dealing with, in the case the alleged abduction of 'Madeleine McCann' 'is' - 'was' a displacement of crucial 'time and place' events, relating to very last hours, minutes and seconds, that the victim at the heart of the investigation, went missing, was Abducted, or was taken, from apartment 5A around, or timed at a out 10pm on the evening of 'Thursday, the 3rd May, 2007'. When all along 'Madeleine' had not been alive, or living there since the very first minutes of 'Wednesday, the 2nd May [2007].' Alive', or 'dead,' Madeleine McCann ' exited' apartment 5A' of the ocean club, at approximately 11.45pm on that 'Tuesday'[`the 1st May 2007']. Moreover, the 'McCann parents' were in discussion with the person or people who had 'taken' their daughter from the early part of that 'Wednesday' morning!!

It is unclear, whether or not, that `Madeleine ' when she was' taken by a man' and 'a woman' involved in' Childcare who attended the 'McCann apartment, after it had been noted by a member of staff engaged in duties at the small reception are of the' Ocean Club' at the time 'parents' and 'their friends' did not return to their respective apartments situated in 'block 5' at the Holiday complex. I have identified key evidence which supports the case, for the presence, of 'Robert Murat' having been recognised as being. Seen by two members of the so called 'tapas nine group' in the vicinity of the local supermarket at around, or shortly after 10pm [`albeit, a sighting which allegedly took place at the 'same time' , [`two days later'/'earlier']..

 'Mrs Fenns' account regarding 'a crying youngster' inside 'apartment 5A' during the period 10.30 - 11.45 pm on 'the night of' 30th April 2007', supports the fact that someone other than the 'McCann parents' , had 'returned' back or entered there [`5A'] 'returned' / or 'left there' at around 11.45pm on that Monday evening. My intuition, alerts me to the probability / possibility that throughout the 'one and a half hour period' which 'Mrs Fenn' overheard the crying youngster, that a couple had entered apartment 5A in an attempt to quell the 'distressed cries of the child', and that around midnight', the couple took, or removed 'Madeleine' from the apartment because of the late hour, and that the constant crying of 'Madeleine' would, could, or may awaken or disturb the baby twins who were both sleeping in their nearby cots in the same bedroom! The couple who attended apartment 5A, on that evening were almost certainly members of the Ocean Club staff who dealt with childcare duties. It is possible, that the male person who entered apartment 5A, on that occasion, might not have been a member of staff, but rather he was either a boyfriend, or partner of the female in question. The impression that I get [`at this sage'] is that the female in question, could have been, or was either, 'Charlotte Pennington', or 'Nicole Tranmer', and that one or the other was a companied by 'Christian Bruckner', 'Sergey Malinka' or some other as yet 'Unidentified man'..
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Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 15, 2021, 09:17:PM
Also, of great significance, was the actual date and time, that an 'Ocean Club Receptionist' recorded in a reception booklet, the fact that 'the McCann parents' were 'leaving their children' [home alone] during the evenings when 'they went for evening meal' to the 'Ocean Clubs, tapas restuarant bar' which 'normally lasted' from 'before 8.30pm' and '10 pm' each evening, during which time, 'the parents' made 'half hour checks' on 'their children' and 'their respective apartments'..

Now, as far as 'anyone knows' , or 'is aware', there was 'only one occasion' when the 'McCann parents' deviated from 'this routine' - that occurred on the evening of 'Tuesday' the '1st of May 2007'. On 'this' / ' that' occasion, a totally different rountine, which neither the 'McCann parents' or 'Other members of their group' practced from that date [`forward']...

For 'the following 48 hours', 'The McCanns' and 'others' acted as if 'Madeleine' had 'not been missing', 'was taken', or 'handed her over' because 'she had died' in 'some sort of a tragic accident', or 'medication overdose'... # [or that she was voluntarily brought to Portugal to partake, if needs be, as 'a symbolic' or 'real to life', 'Human Sacrifice' in a 'satanic ritual' known and 'practiced worldwide' as 'Walpurgus nacht'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 17, 2021, 05:24:PM
My instincts tell me, that 'the elimination of mobile records' on 'Gerald McCanns' mobile phone,  during the consecutive period early 2nd, to around midnight, on the 3rd May 2007, or later, indeed, involved direct contact between 'Gerald McCann' and those holding 'Madeleine'..

Her disappearence, is almost certainly linked to the erstwhile travel by the 'McCann parents' and other members of their group after they left the tapas restuarant having had their evening meal together, and instead of going directly back to their respective apartments, they ventured in the opposite direct toward the 'church' , 'Chaplins bar', the 'derelict building' at no. 5 Ave dos Pescadores, and in the general vicinity of the beach. Them leaving the Ocean Club at that time onthat occasion was obviously noted by a member of staff, or a customer, who realised that the parents could not do 15 - 30 minute checks back in their apartments because of the distance between Chaplins bar, and lets say, the 'McCann apartment' [5A]...

If the 'McCann parents', and 'other group members' had or do admit to the fact that they were all down inside 'Chaplins bar', 'drinking' and 'cavorting' whilst 'their children' were effectively abandoned 'Home Alone' back 'at their respective apartments' with 'very little possibility' of any of 'those adults' having 'a realistic chance' of responding to 'any adverse development' or 'event occurring' to any one of 'their children' . The 'greater distance' that 'all the parents' placed between 'Chaplins Bar' and 'their apartments' would have more or less 'quadrupled the distance' , and 'time' that it might take them 'to travel back up hill' to  their residencies, as opposed to the relatively shorter distance and time it takes to do a similar routine check frommade from the 'Ocean Club', tapas restaurant, and their apartments! With this in mind, I beleive or strongly suspect, that as the group were about to depart downhill intending to pay a visit to 'Chaplins Bar' through the [`small reception entrance of the Ocean Club, that 'one or other' members of the group 'may have inadvertently mentioned to, or had been overheard, talking amongst themselves about any possible harm coming to any of their children with them alteri g tgeir routine and being much to far away just in case anything should happen to their kid(s). On this scenario, its possible that they mentioned these anxieties to a member of staff of their intentions, and that in response they were reassured by that member of staff, that 'Ocean Club' babysitting services, would make regular checks to the respective apartments where inside, slept the adult groups, young children....

If this what did happen, then the timing of a childs cry which began at around 10.30pm on that very same evening, coincides with the leaving of the group from the 'Ocean Club' restuarant after completion of their evening meal, and travelling downhil in the general direction of the beach, and 'Chaplins Bar'...

Since, this coincides with between the start of the crying child in the apartment below the 'Fenn' residency, and tge departure of the group who had headed towards 'Chaplins Bar', that two members of staff linked either directly, or tentatively to the 'Ocean clubs' , 'babysitting facility' investigated the disturbance coming from inside the 'McCann apartment' soon 'after the crying had begun', and that this was linked to some as yet unknown witness to me, making the sighting, or reference to 'a man' and 'a woman' both 'entering' the 'McCann apartment on that same evening!

This couple must have been [one, or the other, or both] working as part of the' Ocean Clubs babysitting service, or people who had been contacted, with a view of covering the developing distress of a 'home alone' crying child. The lastest suspects girlfriend [`Nicole Fehlinger`] who worked as a 'Child Therapist' and lived with him [remotely in a derelict building] less than two miles away from the 'McCann apartment`. According to neighbours, she had previiusly been residing in anotger derelict building looking after a child, and at one stage two children - its therefore feasable that she and the latest suspect [`Christian Bruckner'] were the couple seen by someone to physically' enter the McCann apartment' at some point between 10.30 - and 11.45pm, on that 1st May 2007, evening, alluded to by 'Mrs Fenn'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 18, 2021, 10:40:AM
I am also drawn to the possibility of 'other', 'Ocean Club employees' who may have played some role or other, in the circumstances surrounding the alledged kidnapping, or abduction of 'Madeleine McCann',  which took place between 11.45pm on the evening of 'Tuesday the 1st May 2007' and lets say, 10.00pm on the evening of 'Thursday the 3rd May 2007',such as 'one,' or 'more' of the 'following category' of employment / employee - 'an apartment cleaner', 'a maintenance' / 'garden worker', an 'Ocean Club receptionist' and an 'Ocean Club' - 'mini bus' / 'van driver'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 18, 2021, 11:11:AM
Other aspects, and features belonging to, or to which there exist sublime tentative links, berween places, people, and promoted time events, convince me, that a large organisation [`Cult'] lays [`lies'] at the heart of this tragedy! Make no mistake', or 'underestimate' about 'the immense scope' and 'the likely involvement of' a multitude of people', or 'persons' , at 'varying stages' , and 'at different levels of authority' in 'the development of the human race', and the propensity `to make`, `offer`, or 'to give`,' willingly' a 'sacrificial offering' to 'a deity' [`in this case, Lucifer']....

'Life', ' Death', and 'rebirth' [`the god', the 'father' and 'the holy son'],[`the three wize men'], [`Heaven', 'Earth' and 'Hell'], reflect the belief in the 'power' of the 'number value' of 'three' (3) all to much obvious - [`3rd May 2007']  a total deception on behalf of 'all those involved' , or 'whom were' / 'are directly' or 'indirectly' effected and 'had involvement' in 'one form' or 'another' in 'this unfolding drama' ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 18, 2021, 08:48:PM
The 'LUZ triangle(s)'

[aspect 1] The Church in 'Pria de Luz', 'Chaplins Bar', and the 'Derelict Building' [no. 5 Ave dos pescadores] are significantly located close to one another, and played important roles in 'Madeleine McCanns' demise, as does the overwhelming possibility that 'satanic rites may have been carried out on the evening of 1st May 2007, and beyond, extending beyond the date and time, that' the alarm was eventually raised' [Thursday 3rd May 2007, at around 10.00pm]

Chaplins Bar' - visited by McCann parents and other group members, on the evening of 1st May 2007 [Walpurgus Nacht, 'Satanic ritual ceremonies, practiced, involving human sacrifice] by cult members Worldwide..

'The Church', 'Shining Light' Luz - where the 'McCann parents' sought refuge from 'the media' and 'the Press' soon 'after they informed' the 'Portuguese police' that 'Madeleine' had 'gone missing', or was 'Abducted'

'Derelict Building' [no. 5 Ave Dos Pescadores] - where the remains of 'Madeleine' are beleived to have been concealed, 'the ghost photograph' of' Maddie', and 'location of a shallow grave' in its 'rear garden' in 'a hollow' close to its 'Sea Wall'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 19, 2021, 08:32:AM
'Triangulation 1' - (features)
(1) - 'St Vincents Church' (Prai de Luz)
(2) - 'Chaplins bar'
(3) - '5 Ave Dos Pescadores' (derelict building)


'Triangulation 2' - (features)
(1) - 'Tapas restuarant bar' (Ocean Club)
(2) - 'Activities on evening of 1st May 2007'
(3) - 'Walpurgas Nacht' celebrations (30th April /1st May 2007)


'Triangulation 3' - (features)
(1) - ' McCann parents '
(2) - 'David Payne'
(3) - 'Mathew Oldfield'

'Triangulation 4' - (features)
(1) - 'Abuction'
(2) - 'Gone missing'
(3) - 'Handed over'


'Triangulation 5' - (features)
(1) - 'Chaplin of St Vincents Church'
(2) - 'Vatican Pope [' visit to Rome' parents of McCann children']
(3) - 'Satanism'


'Triangulation 6' - (features)
(1) - 'Portuguese police'
(2) - 'UK police'
(3) - 'German prosecutors'


'Triangulation 7' - (features)
(1) - 'Satanism'
(2) - 'Christianity'
(3) - 'human sacrifice(s)


'Triangulation 8' - (features)
(1) - 'Sergey Malinka'
(2) - 'Robert Murat'
(3) - 'David Payne'


'Triangulation 9' - (features) 
(1) - 'Jane Tanner'
(2) - 'Nicole Fehlinger'
(3) - 'Elizabeth Pennington'


'Triangulation 10' - (features)
(1) - '1st May 2007'
(2) - '2nd May 2007'
(3) - '3rd May 2007'


'Triangulation 11' - (features)
(1) - 'Knights Templar'
(2) - 'Freemasonary'
(3) - 'illuminati'


'Triangulation 12' - (features)

'Triangulation 13' - (features)



[to be continued in due course]

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 25, 2021, 06:04:AM
It remains highly probable / possible that sometime after 8.30pm on 'Thursday, 3rd May 2007 that the corpse of Madeleine McCann, [or `her pink pyjamas`] was /were returned and left in the shrubbery of the garden of apartment 5A on the pool side of the family apartment, and that along with the body were written instructions designed to create a bond between the perpetrator(s) and the parents. This could be proven, by 'examination of the pink pajamas' which the 'McCann parents' displayed during a tv interview, [claiming that the garments were a replica, of the original items worn by 'Madeleine on the evening she alledgedly disappeared'] ..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 25, 2021, 06:12:PM
It remains highly probable / possible that sometime after 8.30pm on 'Thursday, 3rd May 2007 that the corpse of Madeleine McCann, [or `her pink pyjamas`] was returned and left in the shrubbery of the garden of apartment 5A on the pool side of the family apartment, and that along with the body were written instructions designed to create a bond between the perpetrator(s) and the parents. This could be proven, by 'examination of the pink pajamas' which the 'McCann parents' displayed during a tv interview, [claiming that the garments were a replica, of the original items worn by 'Madeleine on the evening she alledgedly disappeared'] ..

Part of this event, could have involved the use of a dictaphone, in which one or other of the McCann parents, was encouraged to respond to the terms of the satanists, or would be [was] abductor(s)...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 29, 2021, 11:41:PM
'Russell O'brien' and 'Jane Tanner' are key 'foot Soldiers'  involved in the staged disappearence of 'Madeleine McCann' claimed to have been discovered missing, at about 10.00pm on the evening '3rd May 2007', by 'Kate McCann', [the mother of the victim] who at that time, [she] was doing a check of 'apartment 5A', and checking on the safety or otherwise of her three young children who were sleeping inside...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 30, 2021, 09:13:AM
'Russell O'brien' and 'Jane Tanner' are key 'foot Soldiers'  involved in the staged disappearence of 'Madeleine McCann' claimed to have been discovered missing, at about 10.00pm on the evening '3rd May 2007', by 'Kate McCann', [the mother of the victim] who at that time, [she] was doing a check of 'apartment 5A', and checking on the safety or otherwise of her three young children who were sleeping inside...

(1) - General build, and facial features of 'Russell O'brien' and 'Gerald McCann' when 'both' or 'one' and / or 'the other' are 'seen in 'a dim light', 'night-time', or in 'fleeting glance confrontation' could easily have been 'mistaken for [either] eachother'...

(2) - refer to the 'Jane Tanner' sighting [saw a dark haired man carrying a child matching 'Madeleine McCann' ['age group', 'clothing', direction of travel', 'ect']

(3) - ' refer to the' Smith family' sighting ['saw a man carrying a child in his arms heading in the direction of the sea', 'age group of child', 'clothing', 'direction of travel', 'confrontation' very close to 'LuzDoc' which provided 24 hr medical access (emergency phone number for `late evening` and `night time diagnosis` and `treatment`) to residents and tourists', alike]. Also, consider the fact that 'at least one member' of the 'Smith contingent', identified 'the man' who was 'carrying the child'  in 'the direction of the sea' / 'beach' at around 10.00pm, was / is 'Gerald McCann'..

(4) - 'Russell O' brien' was 'absent from the tapas bar' at the time that 'Madeleine McCann' allegedly went missing from apartment 5A [between around 9.05pm ('Gerald McCann') check, and 10.00pm ('Kate McCann') check. 'Russell O'brien and' Mathew Oldfield' left the tapas restuarant  bar between 9.20pm and 9.30pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, in order to 'check on their own children' and the 'McCann apartment' Only 'Mathew Oldfield returned to the tapas bar [`after these checks'] informing others that 'Russell' was! 'staying back at his apartment' because 'one of his daughters' was 'unwell'. Consider, whether or not, with the alleged 'sick daughter' belonging to 'Jane Tanner' and 'himself' if 'their daughter' was the child [allegedly] seen by 'Jane Tanner'(around 9.10pm) and 'the Smith family' (10.00pm, or thereabouts')?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 30, 2021, 09:53:AM
'Russell O'brien' and 'Jane Tanner' are key 'foot Soldiers'  involved in the staged disappearence of 'Madeleine McCann' claimed to have been discovered missing, at about 10.00pm on the evening '3rd May 2007', by 'Kate McCann', [the mother of the victim] who at that time, [she] was doing a check of 'apartment 5A', and checking on the safety or otherwise of her three young children who were sleeping inside...
I don't think doctors would cover for other doctors in this situation. They were more professional colleagues than personal friends.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 30, 2021, 09:54:AM
Could anybody school me in the psychology of prisoners? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-hope-prime-21433953
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on August 30, 2021, 10:14:AM
I can't see that a tougher prison environment is going to make a scrap of difference as regards any sort of confession or even a hint, Steve. This is going nowhere.
Way back in the investigation, Raymond Hewlett, a paedophile, was named as the prime suspect. This chap was also dodgy and he had a German wife and a trail of kids tagging along, one of which was killed ? in a road accident. He was hanging around the apartment at the time.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 30, 2021, 11:14:AM
I don't think doctors would cover for other doctors in this situation. They were more professional colleagues than personal friends.
That may be true, or not - but the 'individual accounts' given in 'tv interviews', and 'witness statement accounts' , are 'in conflict' and 'at odds' with one another'. The 'general timeline' which members of this group provided 'is' / 'are', 'inconsistent', and 'contradictory' , when 'laid out bare against what others have said' . Both times lines of the  'alleged same event' by 'these'/ those' doctors 'cannot be true'. This clearly 'indicates to me' that this particular group of doctors 'have', and 'continue to cover up' the 'true facts' surrounding 'what' actually happened to 'Madeleine McCann'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 30, 2021, 11:24:AM
'Gerald McCann' and 'Russell O'brien' [Look alike attributes] - especially, 'in poor light' or 'fleeting glance confrontations'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 30, 2021, 01:19:PM
Tenuius links between, what occurred inside 'apartment 5A' (Ocean Club) involving 'Madeleine McCann' on the evening '1st May 2007', between '10.30pm' - '11.45pm', the cover up which took two more days (until evening of 3rd May 2007) to try and explain the circumstances of 'Madeleines absence' , and the possible use of one of the 'Obrien' / 'Tanner' daughters, disguised as 'Madeleine', a child who was 'taken ill' on the same evening that 'Madeleine' was reported 'gone' and 'taken'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 30, 2021, 01:25:PM
Tenuius links between, what occurred inside 'apartment 5A' (Ocean Club) involving 'Madeleine McCann' on the evening '1st May 2007', between '10.30pm' - '11.45pm', the cover up which took two more days (until evening of 3rd May 2007) to try and explain the circumstances of 'Madeleines absence' , and the possible use of one of the 'Obrien' / 'Tanner' daughters, disguised as 'Madeleine', a child who was 'taken ill' on the same evening that 'Madeleine' was reported 'gone' and 'taken'..

Creche records that were faked, covering attendences and activities at the kids club, on 2nd and 3rd May 2007, when and during which 'Madeleine' was not present..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 30, 2021, 04:24:PM
Creche records that were faked, covering attendences and activities at the kids club, on 2nd and 3rd May 2007, when and during which 'Madeleine' was not present..
The 'Obrien' /'Tanner' substitute,' [`lookalike'] daughter', may have been used, dressed in 'Madeleine McCanns' clothing and this could have been sufficient into 'fooling the childcare workers' into accepting that 'Madeleine' had been 'in attendance at the creche' and 'elsewhere' [Beach] during the '2nd' and '3rd' of 'May 2007'..

This could help to account for why the 'McCann parents' ended up in possession of their 'daughters pink pyjama set' weeks after her alleged 'abduction', when 'the parents' appeared 'live' in a tv interview 'displaying the said pyjamas' [which they would later claim, was a duplicate version] without saying 'how, they had come into possession of them'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 30, 2021, 06:17:PM
It remains highly probable, that the 'Smith family' sighting at around 10.00pm of a man carrying a young child in his arms heading in the direction of the sea and beach, was non other than 'Russell O'brien' who 'was carrying his own sick daughter' (and if stopped, or identified would claim that he was carrying his ill daughter' intending to visit 'Luzdoc'  in order to get his daughter looked at, and possible treatment...

The journey which I feel 'Obrien' made, was designed to create interest  in the identity of the abductor of 'Madeleine' on that same evening. Overnight, with 'Russell O' brien and [their own] daughter safely returned to their `own apartment`, hence, 'Jane Tanner' eventually coming up trumps on the following morning by `declaring that on the previous evening` when 'she' had left the tapas restuarant bar' intent on checking her `own two children` in her `own apartment`, that `she had seen a man`, crossing over the junction at the top of the road carrying a child in his arms, `walking away from the vicinity of the car park side of apartment block five`. This alleged sighting of a faceless 'Tannerman', was reference to the fact that by the following morning, after 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence had been covered by the media [worldwide], she convinced herself that her partner [Russell O'Brien] could become a suspect in the scripted 'Abuction' story, introduced to displace. The true circumstances of 'Madeleine McCanns' plight two days earlier, than it was alledged to have occurred'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 31, 2021, 08:17:AM
'Jane Tanners' account regarding her leaving the restuarant at about 9.10pm, on that crucial evening [3rd  May 2007] to check on her daughters back at her apartment, raises a number of significant issues (a) - the claim that after exiting the small reception door of the 'Ocean Club' that she had seen 'Gerald McCann' and 'Wilkes' talking to each other in the street ('McCann on the pavement adjacent to the alleyway on the poolside of apartment block 5'). 'Wilkes was standing more or less in the middle of the roadway, and he had a pushchair in his possession. It appeared that' Wilkes' and the pushchair had arrived in-situ after 'having walked up hill' past the small 'Ocean Club' entrance..

Bearing this in mind, 'both men' would have been 'facing' , or having their 'heads' , 'pointing toward' or 'looking at eachother'. Under such circumstances, 'how is /was it possible' for either man not to have seen or at least acknowledged the presence of 'Jane  Tanner, approaching and passing them both, since in all such circumstance, some sort of a manouvre would have had to take place enabling' Jane Tanner' to get past 'Gerald McCanns' on that narrow footpath on apartment block 5 side of the road, and that when, and if she had done this, that 'Wilkes' who would have been facing 'McCann' would inevitably have seen 'Jane Tanner'walking uphill on the same pavement that' McCann' was standing on. He would also have seen how close 'Jane Tanner' came and went beyond 'McCann', yet both 'McCann' and 'Wilkes' say they have no recollection of seeing 'Jane Tanner' in the street on that occasion..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 31, 2021, 09:05:AM
 The late introduction of 'Tannerman' by 'Jane Tanner' [on the morning of 4th May 2007] was insurance that even if someone had recognised 'Russell O'Brien' carrying a young child in his arms heading in the direction of the sea and beach on the previous evening [3rd May 2007], that this placed more emphasis 'on the identity of the' Jane Tanner' suspect being 'the abductor'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 31, 2021, 09:24:AM
The late introduction of 'Tannerman' by 'Jane Tanner' [on the morning of 4th May 2007] was insurance that even if someone had recognised 'Russell O'Brien' carrying a young child in his arms heading in the direction of the sea and beach on the previous evening [3rd May 2007], that this placed more emphasis 'on the identity of the' Jane Tanner' suspect being 'the abductor'...

'Jane Tanners', 'Tannerman suspect', did not exist!

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on August 31, 2021, 06:01:PM
I can't see that a tougher prison environment is going to make a scrap of difference as regards any sort of confession or even a hint, Steve. This is going nowhere.
Way back in the investigation, Raymond Hewlett, a paedophile, was named as the prime suspect. This chap was also dodgy and he had a German wife and a trail of kids tagging along, one of which was killed ? in a road accident. He was hanging around the apartment at the time.
He was another good suspect. Died of throat cancer. He said he recognized her coloboma so he must have been close up at one point.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 31, 2021, 07:13:PM
Satanism, freemasonary, the illuminati, paganism, human sacrifice, governments, so called legal systems, religion, poverty, the new world order, sexual abuse, monarchies, etc - involve highly dedicated membership and affiliation....
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 31, 2021, 07:47:PM
'Madeleine McCann' is 'dead', the parents know this to be true!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on August 31, 2021, 08:05:PM
The 'McCann parents' 'knew' and 'know' that 'Madeleines' body was made available to them, inside one of the property / grounds at 'no.' 5 Ave Dos Pescadores' [the exact same address, as 'the village church']. It was this very same address ['the church'] , that the 'PJ' beleived that the 'McCann parents' had 'concealed the body' and 'other evidence' capable of establishing 'the direct involvement of the parents' in 'their daughters demise'...

The 'PJ' hit 'the nail on the head' - however, the address [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] incorporated two [different] properties] the 'village church' and 'the derelict building' situated on 'the opposite side of the road' (to eachother) held'/ 'holds' the evidence capable of proving and establishing the direct involvement of the 'McCann parents' in the disappearence of their daughter'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 01, 2021, 07:44:PM
My visit to the derelict building, Praia De Luz, Portugal (5 Ave Dos Pescadores)  in June 2010 revealed to me, a number of significant clues, that at some stage 'Madeleine McCanns' body had been 'present inside rooms of this building' , and 'the discovery of a shallow grave', situated inside 'a hollow in the rear garden'[close to the gardens sea wall] `was`/`is` where the remains of the victim were / are buried..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 01, 2021, 08:13:PM
My visit to the derelict building, Praia De Luz, Portugal (5 Ave Dos Pescadores)  in June 2010 revealed to me, a number of significant clues, that at some stage 'Madeleine McCanns' body had been 'present inside rooms of this building' , and 'the discovery of a shallow grave', situated inside 'a hollow in the rear garden'[close to the gardens sea wall] `was` / `is` where the remains of the victim were / are buried..
The claim that the 'McCann parents' had sought refuge at the village church, was as it turns out, only partially true! They actually 'sought refuge inside the derelict building' [which had the same address (5 Ave Dos Pescadores) as the church on the opposite side of street]. This building [derelict) was where the 'McCann parents' concealed the body of their daughter for at least a couple of weeks, or so. It was also the location where the parents entertained other 'paedophile' / 'satanic cult members' ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 01, 2021, 08:21:PM
The 'location of the shallow grave' which I stumbled upon by accident [June 2010] inside a hollow, in the rear garden of the derelict building [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] was as I now understand it, originally 'a privately owned well' and which appeared to me, to be in alignment with a clear view of the local church clock tower across the street..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 01, 2021, 08:48:PM
The 'location of the shallow grave' which I stumbled upon by accident [June 2010] inside a hollow, in the rear garden of the derelict building [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] was as I now understand it, originally 'a privately owned well' and which appeared to me, to be in alignment with a clear view of the local church clock tower across the street..

Rather more astonishingly, a vantage point from (or by) a person standing behind the partially closed net curtains, of 'the only bedroom window' at the 'front of the derelict building' (pink painted room) could not only 'see the entrance to the main entry doors of the village church' , but also, anyone stood behind those [same] net curtains, would 'also' have 'a birds eye view' , of' Chaplins Bar' and be able to identify or recognise a person [or people] who were visiting the bar..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 01, 2021, 09:01:PM
 I have a very strong inclination in beleiving that not only did one, or other, or both parents visit, attend, loiter, the derelict building site [as part of the true circumstances regarding the alleged disappearence of the 'McCann Child'] but also that in due course other people involved in the cover up, also visited the very same 'derelict building' [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] sometimes when 'one' or `other parent`, or `both` were 'not in attendance' , and similarly, on occasions 'when they were there' !
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 01, 2021, 09:10:PM
I have a very strong inclination in beleiving that not only did one, or other, or both parents visit, attend, loiter, the derelict building site [as part of the true circumstances regarding the alleged disappearence of the 'McCann Child'] but also that in due course other people involved in the cover up, also visited the very same 'derelict building' [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] sometimes when 'one' or `other parent`, or `both` were 'not in attendance' , and similarly, on occasions 'when they were there' !

Others who visited, or whom had knowledge of 'Madeleine McCanns' demise ['Gerald McCann', `Kate McCann', 'Russell O'brien', 'Jane Tanner', 'Mathew Oldfield', 'David Payne', 'Sergey Malinka', 'Robert Murat', 'others'] plus the fact that her remains, clothing, etc, were deposited at the derelict building [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] at 'one time period' , or 'another' , helped significantly by the fact that 'the church across the street' , and 'the derelict building' [across the street] 'both' had 'the exact same address' , as 'one another' [5 Ave Dos Pescadores, Luz]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 02, 2021, 08:13:AM
Next door to 'the derelict building' was / is a 'Pharmacy' - a rather convenient supply to doctors purchasing all sorts of medication, and insecticide..

Further, and just around the corner at the junction where 'Ave Dos Pescadores' starts, is a conveniently placed 'cash dispencer'.

Within sight, of 'the village church', 'the derelict building', 'the pharmacy', and 'the cash dispencer', is 'Chaplins Bar' and 'the fort'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 03, 2021, 07:20:AM
RED FLAG Locations

(1) - 'The Derelict Building' [5 Ave Dos Pescadores]

(2) - 'The village Church' [5 Ave Dos Pescadores]
(3) - 'Chaplins Bar'
(4) - 'Pharmacy'
(5) - 'ATM'
(6) - 'Mobile phone records'
(7) - 'Public telephone boxes'
(8) - 'Baptiste Supermarket'
(9) - 'LuzDoc'
(10) - 'Red Bull Pub'
(11) - 'Forte'
(12) - 'view Point'
(13) - 'Shallow Grave'
(14) - 'Sea Wall Manholes'
(10) - 'Ocean Club tapas restuarant'
(11) - 'McCann Apartment'
(12) - 'Payne Apartment'
(13) - 'Oldfield Apartment'
(14) - 'OBrien' / 'Tanner Apartment'
(15) - 'Ocean Club Creche'
(16) - 'Ocean Car Rental - Luz'

(a) - 'View from inside church looking out of the main doors across street and the gate belonging to the derelict building' and its rear garden, where I discovered the shallow grave located in a hollow near to the sea wall..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2021, 04:56:AM
17th May 2007

the Revd Haynes Hubbard blesses Kate McCann at an Anglican service in Praia Da Luz, in Algarve, Portugal, last week. Mrs McCann’s daughter Madeleine, aged four, was abducted from her bedroom a fortnight ago at a resort in the Algarve where she had been staying with her parents and brother and sister.Below: a pilgrim holds a portrait of the missing child at the shrine of Our Lady of Fatima, in central Portugal on Saturday

'Where did the reverend Haynes Hubbard disappear to' from the village Church, by the time' McCann parents' fell under suspicion'?

Who had custody of the front door key to the derelict building [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] throughout the period of May 2007?

[I have recently discovered, that the 'Anglecan priest' (Haynes Hubbard) did not arrive at Pria De Luz, until the 6th May 2007 [3 days after 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence was first alerted to]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 05, 2021, 05:11:AM

Rev Haynes Hubbard outside Our Lady of the Light church
By Gail Edgar

July 12 2008 01:00 AM

The Anglican priest who prayed with the McCanns after Maddie vanished has revealed he feared for the safety of his own children in the aftermath of the little girl's abduction.

Rev Haynes Hubbard, who is the senior chaplain of St Vincent's Anglican Chaplaincy, arrived in Portugal just three days after Maddie went missing on May 3 — one year ago on Saturday.

And the shock and trauma of what happened in Praia da Luz affected his wife Susan so much she initially wanted the family to leave the country and return to their native Canada.

The couple first heard the name Madeleine McCann when they landed at Lisbon airport on May 6 with their three children, then aged nine, eight and six months.

Speaking to Sunday Life at the Our Lady of the Light church where a vigil is still held for Maddie every Friday evening, Rev Hubbard recalled: "We left Canada on May 5 and arrived here on Sunday, May 6. My wife had our infant child in her arms and in Portuguese a woman asked her 'where are you going?'.

"My wife responded in Portuguese, 'to Praia da Luz,' and the woman said, 'oh no, that's where the little girl's been taken from'.

"She said this to a woman with three children crowding around her ankles.That was our introduction.

"We came down from the airport straight to the church and the media were swarming the building."

Rev Hubbard immediately got to work by helping to organise special services for Madeleine at the small Roman Catholic church in the town which the Anglican community of Praia da Luz also uses.

He met the McCanns during the first week of Maddie's disappearance and he and his wife gradually formed a close friendship with them.

"My wife Susan comes from generous country stock and she started cooking for them and leaving little meals — pots of stew and loaves of bread and things for Kate with a note.

"Eventually the notes became phonecalls and the phonecalls became visits and eventually they became part of our family.

"We prayed lots together and they came to our services very often."

Rev Hubbard revealed what it was like living in Praia da Luz in the weeks following Madeleine's disappearance.

"We were watching the news about two weeks afterwards. We were watching the helicopters and listening to them on television, but when we turned the television off we could still hear them.

"That sense that this isn't something you can turn off was a heavy, heavy weight.

"You have to live it and we were going to live this story, this pain, vicariously but still be present to it."

He explained the experience was very frightening for a family who had just moved to the country to live overseas for the first time.

"It wasn't a weight that we didn't want to carry, but it was very frightening.

"We locked our doors and locked our windows in ways we never thought of. Susan wanted to go back to Canada because it was safe in Canada — of course it's not, but it felt safer there because this hadn't happened."

Gradually, though, the couple realised that the people of Praia da Luz were special.

"Some evil happened in this community which isn't reflective of the community at all. Evil has been perpetrated and Madeleine has been taken.

"The community acted very strongly, they said 'we're going to look'.

"They were wonderfully responsive. This was our introduction to Luz — it was a place that said we're going to put these posters up, we'll look, and look, and look.

"Luz is still a beautiful little town that a horrible thing has happened to. The character of Luz isn't different.

"Luz is not a tainted place. Evil happens and we need to beat it down with goodness, if we can."

Today, Rev Hubbard is glad he and his family decided to stay in the quiet Algarve town that has appeared in so many headlines.

But while he describes Kate and Gerry as "part of the family" and remains in close contact with them, he admits he doesn't know what they are like without the sadness which has gripped them since Maddie's disappearance.

"We met a couple who had lost their daughter, whose daughter had been taken away from them, and that was shattering.

"Their fear for her was overwhelming but you can't live in fear and they're too resourceful within themselves to live in fear, so now they're striking back and trying to make a difference.

"But the couple who have lost their daughter are still there. I haven't been to their home but I can only imagine the empty spot that was Madeleine's still being there and crushing them with its memory and its presence.

"So despite the determination to make sure that this doesn't happen again to anyone else, their Madeleine is still missing and she needs to come home.

"They are a pretty remarkable couple, but they are still a couple who are waiting for Madeleine to come home.

"I don't know what Kate is like with a smile in her heart. I've seen her with a smile on her lips, but I've never seen her with a smile in her heart.

"We can't pretend to know them properly, but what we have seen in grief we are impressed with and profoundly moved by.

"We pray that one day we will know them when they are complete again."

After Madeleine's disappearance, both the Roman Catholic and Anglican communities who use the church, began to meet for prayer vigils for Maddie.

At the beginning, around 35 people attended regularly.

Now, a small group of around 10 people — mostly Portuguese — still meets every Friday night.

A special service has been planned for the one year anniversary of Maddie's disappearance next Saturday night, although Rev Hubbard says he hopes instead they will be travelling to Kate and Gerry's home in Rothley, Leicestershire to celebrate her safe return.

"We are just going to continue to pray that she comes home and that God will change the hearts of those who have her and that on May 3 there will be no need to go to a service here, but that we can all go to England and celebrate with Kate and Gerry as they have their little daughter back."

Rev Hubbard remains convinced that Madeleine is alive and can one day be returned to her parents.

"Then we can finally meet a couple and a family who are what they're supposed to be. And that would be an extraordinary moment."

While the community who worship at Our Lady of the Light have united to pray for the little girl's return, the story has divided people worldwide.

Rev Hubbard said: "This story more than any other has allowed people to express the most extraordinary opinions completely based on absolute subjective nonsensical evidence. This has not been a unifying story — but it has allowed some to say 'I don't care what anyone else thinks, I'm going to pray for Madeleine and Kate and Gerry and Sean and Amelie.

"I'm certain that the secular community of both English and Portuguese have all sorts of other opinions, but for those of us who go to this church and attend services, we're just waiting for Madeleine to come home."
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2021, 05:25:PM
Who was the anglican priest in charge of the local church 'Walpurgus night'   [1st May 2007] onwards until 'Hubbard' took control on the 6th May 2007?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 06, 2021, 05:32:PM
Who was the anglican priest in charge of the local church 'Walpurgus night'   [1st May 2007] onwards until 'Hubbard' took control on the 6th May 2007?

So, we have `Madeleine' gone missing [1st - 3rd May 2007], and the `Anglican priest' who ran the shop prior to 'Reverand Hubbards' arrival and take over of the village church on the 6th May 2007..

We need to identify the illusive anglican priest who vanished just as mysteriously as 'Madeleine McCann' did..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 06, 2021, 07:33:PM
So, we have `Madeleine' gone missing [1st - 3rd May 2007], and the `Anglican priest' who ran the shop prior to 'Reverand Hubbards' arrival and take over of the village church on the 6th May 2007..

We need to identify the illusive anglican priest who vanished just as mysteriously as 'Madeleine McCann' did..
We don't know who it was. We do know parishioner John Geraghty suggested to Father Pacheco that he give the keys of Nossa Senhora da Luz church to the McCanns following Maddie's disappearance. All Catholics though it seems. There's a rumour that Kate confessed to Father Pacheco (I don't wish to make it more scurrilous than it already is) but I don't know where the guy who preceded Reverend Hubbard is or if he fits into the story at all. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2021, 10:17:AM
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What interests me, is which set of door keys did 'Reverand Hubbard' give to 'the McCann parents'[and when] also, were they 'the keys to the church' or 'the keys to the lockable derelict buildings' front facing roadside 'door'? Moreover, was the body of 'Madeleine' moved into the 'derelict building' , once 'Robert Murat' arrived in Portugal on the '2nd May 2007' and prior to the arrival of 'reverand Hubbard' on the '6th May 2007'? Who had possession of 'the key' to the front door lock at the 'derelict building' between the '1st until the 6th May 2007', and 'who had possession of the church door key'? Did the same person have possession of both 'the derelic building door key' [5 Ave Dos Pescadores] , and 'the churchs door key'[5 Ave Dos Pescadores]?

Alternatively, was or is 'it likely' , or 'probable' , that the same key fitted the locking mechanisms of both the derelict building, and the church doors?

It was apparent to me, when I had cause to visit the derelict building, its rear garden, and its sea wall and beyond, that the rear garden of the premises [in June 2010],  was being used as a dumpit site for garden waste and logs cut from trees, and that most of this waste had been laying in situ for a very long time, and could have been there around the time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence.

Who had the key to the door lock of the derelict building at the time 'Madeleine' met her end?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2021, 11:27:AM
The Priestly Predators   

37 religious who abused children - and their vocation

The Fr Fortune affair was just another black mark in a sickening litany of child sexual abuse within the Irish Catholic Church. Over the last decade there have been almost forty more . . .

By Rachel Andrews, Catherine Cleary, and Liam Reid
Sunday Tribune
April 7, 2002

[The links below were added by BishopAccountability.org to make it easier for the reader to use this article. The links are in alphabetical order; the paragraphs about the priests in the article itself are not. Five priests are discussed at greater length in this article: Fr Brendan Smyth, Fr James Prunty, Fr Tony Walsh, Fr Ivan Payne, and Fr Donal Dunne. Note that all the men described in this article were priests or brothers at the time of the alleged abuse, and at least one allegedly abused after he was laicized. If a person is still a priest or a brother, he is called Fr... or Brother... below, but former priests and brothers are not so called.]

[ Fr Andrew Allen | Fr John Brosnan | Fr Michael Carney | Fr Donal Collins | Fr Daniel John Curran | Fr Tadhg Dalaigh | Fr James Doyle | Fr Donal Dunne | Paul Farrell | Fr Martin Greaney | Fr Eugene Greene | Fr Gus Griffin | Brendan John Halpin | John Hannon | Fr Michael Hobbs | Brother Joseph Keegan | Brother James Kelly ('Brother Ambrose') | Patrick James 'Jack' Kelly | Robert Keoghan | Fr John Kinsella | Brother Francis Patrick Mallon | Fr Henry Maloney | Fr Paul McGennis | Fr Michael Mullins | Fr James Murphy | James Murphy | Fr Thomas Naughton | Fr Ivan Payne | Sam Penney | Fr James Prunty | Brother Dennis Quirke | Fr Brendan Smyth | Fr Tony Walsh | Religious brother | West of Ireland priest | Kilkenny Priest | Co Cork Priest ]

At one stage they were the most respected members of the community, enjoying unrivalled trust and respect.

Now these 37 men are perhaps the most detested group in the country, who have lost everything, and caused untold damage to the institution for they had at onestage professed undying love and commitment.

Since the end of 1991, nearly 40 Irish-born Catholic priests, brothers and former religious have been convicted of child abuse in Ireland and Britain, fourtimes the number in the previous ten years.

There is no pattern to the abuse, save to say that it occurred while the men were active in their ministries, and in most cases the attacks were against children in their care, or sons and daughters of friends or parishioners.

They abusers were of all ages, and they were convicted for abuse that took placefrom the early 1950s right up to the mid 1990s. The majority of the abusers carried out their abuse when in their 20s and 30s although some, such as BrendanSmyth, carried on right up into his 60s.

The sentences they received varied from 12 years to suspended sentences, and depended on the severity of the abuse, the present age and health of the perpetrator.

Despite what would appear to most people to be a large number, the Catholic Church in Ireland says that the problem of child abuse is no better, no worse than in society at large.

It points out that the 48 priests, brothers and former clerics that have been convicted since 1983 account for just 1% of the total number of clergy, the samefigure as the estimated proportion of child sexual abusers in the general publicat large. With 20 on remand awaiting trial, even if they are convicted, the proportion would still be commensurate with the general population.

It has to be noted that it is a case of "a few rotten apples", and serving priests and brothers are like the general public, shocked and disgusted at the actions of the abusers.

However there is now mounting evidence that child abuse has been a particular problem for the Catholic clergy and religious, and that it has affected a greater proportion, when compared with the general public.

Indeed a number of clerics themselves have suggested this. "Overall, however, the modern church appears to have an exceptional problem with celibacy, and the (large) 'tip of the iceberg' of the celibacy difficulty is sexual abuse of minors, " Brother Barry Coldrey, a Christian Brother and expert in child abuse has written. [See Coldrey, Religious Life Without Integrity, ch. 7.]

Indeed Coldrey uncovered letters in the archives of the Christian Brothers from the 1930s and 1940s which refer to child abuse being a particular problem among some Christian Brothers in Australia.

"The best American research confirms that 5%-7% of priests have molested children; scattered evidence from the English-speaking world generally suggests a similar figure; and my own research in one (large) religious congregation would provide confirmation". [See Coldrey, Religious Life Without Integrity, ch. 7.]

Coldrey's argument would appear to be borne out by other figures, which would appear to reflect the true situation and extent of abuse among the clergy in thepast.

Last week the Granada Institute told another newspaper that it had treated 100 religious for psychosexual disorders, significantly more than the 48 convicted. According to several court cases over the last decade, many other priests and religious were sent to the US and England to specialist clinics such as Gracewell Institute in Moseley.

There have also been a huge number of cases, at least 50, where the Director of Public Prosecutions has decided not to make charges because of the length of time elapsed since the alleged abuses.

The level of abuse, and whether it was peculiar to religious orders or religious-run institutions, will also form part of the Laffoy Commission's inquiries.

It is estimated that the clerics and former clerics convicted of child abuse in the last decade would have each abused an average of 30 victims each, and some would have abused hundreds of children. Whatever the truth about statistics there are at least 1,200 victims of child abuse because of these 37 men.

Fr James Doyle  One of four abusers from the parish of Ferns, he was convicted in 1990 and moved to England. His case caused further controversy when The Observer revealed in 1994 that the priest still had access to children.

Fr Michael Mullins  In 1991, the Ottawa-based parish priest was jailed for eight years by the Central Criminal Court for "a brutal assault" of a 17-year-old boy he had brought to his rented home in Cork that year. Mullins, a native of Cork, admitted to the aggravated sexual assault at Oldcourt Place in Rochestown, having picked the youth up in Cork city centre following a disco.

Religious brother  In 1992, an unnamed religious brother received one of the longest sentences ever handed down for child abuse, when he was jailed for 18 years for the buggery and rape of schoolboys at a primary school in the west of Ireland. The brother, who is now 60, pleaded guilty to the offences, which occurred between 1986 and 1991 while he was the boys' teacher. In 1994, the Supreme Court reduced the sentence to 12 years.

Sam Penney  A former cleric, and Cork native, Penney was jailed for seven years in 1993 for abusing both boys and girls over a 13-year period to 1992 while he was a priest in the Birmingham area.

West of Ireland priest  In July 1993, a middle-aged priest was jailed for 10 years (last five suspended) for buggering and raping an altar boy in his house and while on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, over a five-year period ending in 1990.

Fr Michael Carney  In April 1994, Fr Michael Carney, then a parish priest at the Church of the Sacred Heart in Galway, was given a suspended sentence for the assault of an 18-year-old hitchhiker. While on the way home from a priests' reunion in Maynooth, Carney had picked up the student in Athlone. The student had actually been hitching a lift in the other direction.

Brother Francis Patrick Mallon  In May 1994, the Servite Brother was jailed for three months for abusing three young girls in the grounds of the Servite Priory at Benburb, Co Tyrone.

Fr Daniel John Curran  In 1995, a Belfast court sentenced Curran to seven years for the abuse of young boys at an isolated cottage in Co Down. Curran, from Broughshane Road in Ballymena and who had at one stage been parish priest at St Paul's parish in west Belfast, used to bring the boys to the holiday cottage and ply them with beer and cider before abusing them.

Fr Martin Greaney  In 1996, Greaney, a native of Tuam, Co Galway, was sentenced to seven years for indecently assaulting eight girls whose average age was 12. He pleaded guilty to 13 sample charges from several Irish counties between 1979 and 1990.

Greaney, described as having a "magnetic personality", was always surrounded by children, whom he abused in a number of houses, his home and in school. On two occasions he assaulted one of the girls in a choir loft. On another occasion he fondled a girl while talking nonchalantly with other children. One was molested in a neighbour's house after Greaney had said a Mass there.

Kilkenny Priest  In 1996, a parish priest was jailed for six years following the largest-ever investigation into child abuse at the time. He had abused at least two boys, one of them with severe learning difficulties who had been living in a caravan at the end of the priest's garden. The abuse emerged after gardai had arrested one of the young men, now in his early 30s, for an indecent assault on a youth. The young man then revealed how he had been abused by the Kilkenny priest.

Fr John Brosnan  The Kerry priest was sentenced to four years in 1997, having pleaded guilty to 13 charges of sexual abuse against four girls and a boy between 1977 and 1985 while serving as a school chaplain. Following Brosnan's conviction, the Bishop of Kerry, Dr William Murphy, expressed his concern that his predecessor, the late Dr Diarmuid Suilleabhain, knew about allegations concerning sex abuse of young people by one of his priests as far back as 1989, but failed to act on the matter.

Fr Paul McGennis  In 1997, McGennis, then 66, was jailed for abusing Marie Collins in the early 1960s, and another girl in the late 1970s. The handling of the complaint against McGennis by Cardinal Connell and the Archdiocese of Dublin, when it was reported by Marie Collins in 1996, is now the subject of a major controversy for the cardinal.

Fr Thomas Naughton  A former missionary priest with St Patrick's Missionary Order (the Kiltegan Fathers), Naughton, now aged 72, who had returned to Ireland in 1976, pleaded guilty in 1998 to abusing altar boys at Donnycarney and Ringsend parishes between 1976 and 1988. He had been sent to England for treatment in 1986 after complaints were made to the church authorities. He was jailed in 1998.

Co Cork Priest  In November 1998, the priest received a suspended 11-year sentence after admitting to the abuse of two 12-year-old boys in 1988-89. In 1990, the priest, who cannot be named for legal reasons, confessed to his bishop, and undertook treatment and therapy. Neither boy reported the offences, but in 1997 one of them saw the priest wearing his clerical collar and became concerned. The victim had believed that the man had left the priesthood and he only reported the offences to protect other potential victims. The priest had continued his ministry under supervision and was kept away from circumstances in which he could meet young boys until his arrest in March.

Fr Gus Griffin  In 1998, Holy Ghost Father Gus Griffin had a seven-and-a-half-year sentence for child abuse cut to 18 months following an appeal, and on condition he moved to an abbey. Griffin, a high profile priest who had edited RTE's Outlook programme, was sentenced by the Dublin Circuit Court in July 1997 after he pleaded guilty to four sample charges relating to offences from 1976 to 1983.

Fr Tadhg Dalaigh  In November 1999, the 59-year-old priest received a three-year sentence after he pleaded guilty to indecently assaulting a 12-year-old boy in Sacred Heart College, Carrignavar, Co Cork, in the early 1970s. "I spent 22 years of my life running away from something that was not my fault. At the time I was not in a position to turn to anyone. We were not able to speak about these things, " he said, adding that he was very sorry for what he had done. He was abused himself when he was nine and had received counselling in recent years.

Fr John Kinsella  Three years ago, Kinsella, now 53, received an eight-year sentence after he pleaded guilty at Wicklow circuit court to four counts of indecent assault 28 years ago on two brothers, then aged 12 and 13. Kinsella, from Arklow, has been working in the UK since 1973, just after the offences occurred. He admitted bringing the boys on different occasions to his hotel room in Lourdes and to his presbytery in Enniskerry, Co Wicklow, where he gave them alcohol, assaulted them and forced them to engage in oral sex.

Brother Dennis Quirke  A Brother of Charity, Quirke, who sexually abused a 13-year-old boy he befriended at a prayer group in Waterford was imprisoned for two years in 1999. He had been jailed in 1996 for similar offences against a novice. He had been removed from having any contact with children after the offences first came to light in 1990.

Brother Joseph Keegan  A Franciscan brother, who sexually abused five boys, Keegan was jailed for six years by Dublin Circuit Criminal Court in 1999. After the sentence was passed, one of his victims shouted: "You know that six years you're serving? When you are let out, I'll be waiting for you." Keegan of Broc House, Nutley Lane, Dublin, pleaded guilty to eight sample charges of gross indecency and sexual assault out of a total of 57 counts. The abuse had taken place over a nine-year period, 1973 to 1982, while Keegan was a coach for a boys' football team. Two altar boys were also abused by him.

John Hannon  Now 60, the former Franciscan brother received two separate sentences of 10 years at different court hearings after pleading guilty to a litany of sexual assaults while a brother between 1967 and 1976 in the midlands and west of Ireland. It emerged during one of the trials, at Galway circuit court, that the mother of three of the victims confronted her parish priest and the educational authorities at the time, who did nothing to prevent the abuse.

Hannon, whose address was not published to protect the identity of his estranged wife and five children, pleaded guilty to 18 sample charges including buggery and indecent assault of young children in his care in a Co Galway village between 1967 and 1972.

Brother James Kelly ('Brother Ambrose')  The case of this Brother of Charity has been one of the most controversial after a 36-year sentence, the longest ever given to a paedophile, was reduced to 18 months on condition that Kelly move to Belgium on his release. Most of Kelly's abusing took place at Lota House, a residential institution in Cork for children with learning difficulties. He has subsequently pleaded guilty to further charges.

Patrick James 'Jack' Kelly  One of the only serving Christian Brothers to have been convicted of child abuse in Ireland, Kelly was jailed in 1999 after pleading guilty and apologising for his abuse. One of his victims, Derek Power, has been one of the strongest campaigners for the rights of survivors of abuse by religious. One of Kelly's victims is also pursuing what could be the first full High Court compensation hearing against a religious order or diocese.

Fr Donal Collins  One of the four known paedophile priests from the diocese of Ferns, Collins was the principal of St Peter's secondary school, and admitted and apologised to victims he abused in the late 1970s. The majority of his sentence was suspended due to his ill-health and contrition.

Brendan John Halpin  In January last year, the 55-year-old Dublin-born former Christian brother was jailed for two years by a Belfast court after he pleaded guilty to a total of 25 charges of indecently assaulting two sisters and their brother between November 1975 and September 1981.

The Teer family gave up their anonymity so that Halpin, who left the order to marry a schoolteacher, could be named. Members of the Teer family who were abused said the prospect of Halpin, then living in Belfast, not being named was "absolutely disgusting".

Paul Farrell  A former Christian Brother, Farrell was sentenced to one year last July for two counts of indecent assault between 7 November 1980 and 31 March 1982, when he worked as deputy director of St Joseph's Industrial School in Salthill. Farrell (53), of Kinvara Road, Dublin, had pleaded not guilty and he has been granted leave to appeal.

Fr Michael Hobbs  Dublin-born Hobbs was convicted in Britain in June 2000 of indecently assaulting a 15-year-old boy who had turned to him for help and guidance. Michael Hobbs, then 53, who admitted during the four-day trial at St Albans Crown Court in Hertfordshire that only last year he had cruised gay bars in Thailand for male sexual company, vigorously denied assaulting the youngster in February this year. The jury of eight men and four women convicted him of the sexual assault after more than four-and-a-half hours of deliberation.

Fr James Murphy  In July 2000, a London court jailed Murphy for 30 months after he pleaded guilty to 11 charges of indecent assault on seven children. Murphy, now 55, from Timoleague, had ministered as a priest in Lower Glanmire in Cork for eight years up until the end of 1999. The Bishop of Cork and Ross, Dr John Buckley, said at the time that there were no complaints against Murphy from his time in Cork.

Fr Henry Maloney  In July 2000, Fr Maloney was jailed for 15 months for the indecent assault of two 12-yearold boys he taught in St Mary's College, Rathmines, Dublin. Maloney, now 63, of Ardbracken House, Co Meath, pleaded guilty to three counts of indecent assault between September 1971 and June 1972.

James Murphy  In October 2000, the 76-year-old former priest was given a five-year suspended sentence for indecently assaulting two young girls more than 30 years ago. Murphy, married with a family, of Emyvale, Co Monaghan, pleaded guilty at the Central Criminal Court to three charges of committing the offences on dates from November 1969 to August 1970. The offences occurred in a midlands town, in the diocese of Ossory, where he was curate.

Fr Eugene Greene  In June 2000, the retired Donegal priest, now 73, was sentenced to 12 years after he pleaded guilty to more than 40 charges of indecent assault, buggery and gross indecency. Most of the 26 victims were altar boys who served with the priest in the Donegal area between 1965 and 1982. Two of Greene's victims addressed Judge Matthew Deery before he passed sentence. One man, now 37 years old, cried as he told the court he hoped "the bastard was locked away for life". He said the defendant had put every one of his victims through a life sentence.

Fr Andrew Allen  Last year the missionary priest who sexually abused two boys during visits home from the West Indies was given a two-year suspended sentence and ordered to pay £150,000 compensation. The Dominican priest was on missionary duty in Trinidad and Tobago during the years of the offences. In 1993, Allen was jailed for a year by Drogheda district court for sexually assaulting an altar boy in 1991 to 1992.

Robert Keoghan  Keoghan, a former Franciscan brother with an address in Tramore, was sentenced to two years in July 2001 for the abuse of eight boys in Galway between 1969 and 1972. During his trial, it emerged that Keoghan had himself been abused while a boy at the Franciscan seminary in Offaly, and had not abused any child since he left the order in 1977.

Fr Brendan Smyth: 'beyond the brink of tears'

Sentenced on Friday 25 July 1997 to 12 years for 74 sex abuse offences against 20 victims. Died a month later in hospital after suffering a heart attack in the Curragh Prison.

As he handed down the sentence, Judge Cyril Kelly described Smyth as a continued danger to society, and said his case was one of the most serious before any court in the land for many years.

Smyth was described as a deep-rooted paedophile who, as recently as April 1995, had shown that his sexual appetite for children was as voracious as ever. He said that while Smyth was being transported from Magilligan prison for police interviews, on each occasion, while travelling through Coleraine, Smyth had seen a schoolgirl and become sexually excited.

Earlier in the trial, the priest had read out a public apology to his victims for his wrongdoing over 36 years.

He had pleaded guilty to the 74 charges in both the Dublin District Court and later in the Circuit Criminal Court.

He pleaded guilty to 62 offences of indecent assault on males and females in a hotel, boarding houses, a cinema, a boathouse, an abbey, a convent and in other venues in several counties within the state on dates from 1 January 1958, to 31 December 1993.

He also pleaded guilty to 12 charges of sexual assaults on males and females on dates from 1 January 1991 to 31 December 1993.

The offences took place in nine counties over four provinces.

Females were the victims in 61 instances. One woman was the victim in 24 of the charges.

When the sentence was read out in court, his victims sobbed with relief. One shouted "rot in hell, Smyth".

In November 1994, after the scandal around Brendan Smyth broke, the then head of the Irish Catholic Church, Cardinal Cahal Daly, said the affair had brought him beyond the brink of tears.

However, Daly had known of some of Smyth's offences before his arrest, but failed to call in the police.

In a letter to the family of one of Smyth's victims in Belfast, before Smyth had been brought to justice, the cardinal wrote:

"There have been complaints about this priest before, and once I had to speak to the superior about him. It would seem there has been no improvement. I shall speak with the superior again."

Fr James Prunty: 'I have betrayed my vocation and my church'

Sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment on 13 February this year for indecently assaulting three girls. He was aged 77. He was given concurrent sentences of 12 months on each of 13 counts of indecent assault.

At the time of the trial, Prunty pleaded guilty to the 13 sample counts from an original total of 76 charges. The court heard details of how the accused had indecently abused the girls in their homes, in the parish church where he was a highly regarded curate, and in the confession box in the church. The offences were committed in a midlands town between 1956 and 1959.

The case was heard in camera, although Judge Anthony Kennedy gave leave for Prunty to be named in press reports. However, he banned publication of anything likely to identify any of the injured parties.

The judge also refused to allow a solicitor holding a watching brief for Dr Colm O'Reilly, Bishop of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise, and two other persons to remain in court during the hearing.

The court heard that Prunty used to put girls on his knee and would then place his hand under their clothing and fondle them. He would then give them presents and sweets.

One of the injured parties, speaking on behalf of all three, said the abuse began when she was 10 years.

She described how, while attending children's confession in her parish church, the priest would remove the grille and put his hand through the opening to tickle her, and then under her clothing.

As a result she was terrified to go to confession. She said the experience had ruined her life, and would continue to do so.

Prunty told the court that he has a brother and two sisters in religion. He expressed sincere sorrow for his actions and said he was deeply ashamed that he had hurt young people who trusted him, adding: "I have betrayed my vocation and my church." After hearing three character witnesses on behalf of the accused and an appeal for leniency by defence counsel Patrick Gageby, Judge Kennedy said that an aggravating factor in the case was that some of the offences had been committed in a church, and even within a confession box.

The victims had also been abused in their own homes, where the accused was a welcome visitor, he said.

Referring to the clerical power in the 1950s, Judge Kennedy said that in the eyes of these young children the priest was God, and it would have been impossible for them to talk about his conduct, never mind complain about it.

He said the sentence imposed had to be of a custodial nature, and taking all factors into consideration, he sentenced Prunty to 12 months' imprisonment on each count, the sentences to be served concurrently.

Fr Tony Walsh: 'grave offences'

Jailed on 2 December 1997 for a total of 10 years at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court for indecently assaulting six boys in the 1980s. He was aged 43. The former priest, who was an impersonator in Fr Michael Cleary's All Priests Show, committed five of the offences in the presbytery of the Church of the Assumption in Ballyfermot, Dublin, where he was a popular curate during the 1980s. On 31 July 1998, the sentence was reduced to six years by the Court of Criminal Appeal.

Walsh pleaded guilty to 12 charges of indecently assaulting the boys between 1980 and 1986. The charges related to offences of touching.

Judge Kieran O'Connor told Walsh: "You ingratiated yourself with the families of the victims and abused the boys. The offences are so grave I am satisfied the sentence you should serve is one of 10 years." Judge O'Connor said he was aware the charge of indecent assault, which carried a maximum penalty of 10 years, had been replaced with a charge of sexual assault, with a maximum of five years.

"This has come up before. Despite all the pronouncements of all the politicians, they have reduced the maximum sentence to five years. This is something I don't understand, " he said.

He imposed a six-year sentence on the first charge and a consecutive term of four years on the second offence. Terms of six years, to run concurrently with the first term, were imposed on the other charges.

The court was told that Walsh befriended the victims' families while a curate in Ballyfermot in the 1980s. He had convinced himself he was not harming the boys, who were aged from eight to 14, because he believed they would not understand what he had done to them.

Walsh had been very popular but was now very isolated. He had been removed from the priesthood and he found this a "shattering experience", a psychologist who was his counsellor told Dublin Circuit Criminal Court.

He sought help for his problem in 1990 and now understood the seriousness and implications of the abuse. He had learned to control his urges, the witness added.

Prosecuting counsel Mary Ellen Ring said the injured parties felt the effect of the abuse could not be fully explained in the written impact reports submitted to the court.

Two sets of brothers were among the victims, she said, five of the offences took place in the presbytery of the church in Ballyfermot, three occurred in the family home of one victim and one in another victim's home.

A further two offences took place in a church residence in Westland Row and another in Kerry, w hen the victim was on a holiday organised by his local church.

The court heard that Walsh began abusing the boys after becoming aroused when a boy sat on his lap.

The victims had come forward individually by 1995 and each time the allegations were put to him, Walsh had returned days later with a prepared statement. While he denied some offences, he admitted other acts had taken place.

Two psychologists said they did not think prison would be suitable for Walsh. In this artificial environment his problem would be hidden and he would have to learn to cope all over again on his release, they said.

A year later, delivering the Court of Criminal Appeal's judgment which reduced Walsh's sentence to six years, Mr Justice O'Flaherty said the charges were not in the worst category of offence.

While it was conceded that Walsh had to receive an exemplary sentence and young people must be protected, the court would reduce the sentence in view of his good character and the fact that he had pleaded guilty.

Fr Ivan Payne: preyed on sick children

Sentenced to six years in prison in June 1998 after pleading guilty to several counts of indecent assault. He was aged 54. Initially the final four years were suspended on condition that he enter into a rehabilitative process with the Granada Institute in Dublin, which had offered him treatment. However, on 28 July 1999, his two-year jail term was increased to six years by the Court of Criminal Appeal after the Director of Public Prosecutions submitted the original term was unduly lenient.

Payne, who was formerly involved in counselling couples seeking church annulments of their marriages, had pleaded guilty to a total of 13 sample charges of indecently assaulting nine boys on dates from 1968 to 1987.

The offences were committed on patients in Our Lady's Hospital for Sick Children in Crumlin, while he was chaplain there, and on altar boys in locations in Glasnevin and Sutton.

The victims were aged between 11 and 14 at the time.

During the original trial, Det Sgt Bernard Sherry told prosecuting counsel, Tom O'Connell, that the offending generally involved Payne handling the victim's genitals as well as mutual masturbation in the case of one victim.

Sherry described how Payne would put his arm around the victims and then move his hand down their waistband or under hospital bedclothes to their genitals.

Payne was regarded as a charismatic person and highly thought of in the communities in which he worked. He was accepted by several of the victims' families. His victims were generally shy and vulnerable and many of them came from very religious homes. This inhibited them from complaining.

In the course of the trial, Ivan Payne apologised to his victims under oath from the witness box. In his address to the court, Payne said he wanted to acknowledge he had hurt many people by his behaviour, including his victims, their family and friends, as well as his own family and friends.

"I am sorry for the hurt I have caused them all. I want them to know I deeply regret the hurt I caused them, " he said.

Fr Donal Dunne: 'mad and bad'
'I have waited since 1947 for this day'

Sentenced to two years in prison on 10 February, 1999 for sex offences going back many years in midlands schools.

He was close to his 79th birthday when sentenced.

A man's 50-year wait for justice ended that day on the cold granite courthouse steps in Tullamore, Co Offaly. Inside, a retired schoolteacher, Donal Dunne, had just been sentenced to two years in prison on sex-abuse charges.

As he was being led in handcuffs to prison, a former pupil of the retired teacher turned to reporters and said: "I have waited since 1947 for this day." The court had heard Dunne felt little remorse for crimes carried out in the 1950s and '60s against boys in schools in Dublin, Kilkenny, Offaly and Longford.

During the court proceedings, seven men sat opposite the bespectacled former teacher.

Two of them had sought court permission to observe proceedings. Two sat with their spouses.

They had come following the publicity generated by the hearing the year before when Dunne had pleaded guilty to 17 charges of indecent assault in counties Offaly and Kilkenny in the 1960s and 1970s.

Det Sgt Michael Dalton, the prosecuting garda, said others had come forward since details of the case were first published.

The earliest dealt with abuse in a Dublin school in 1947, and in Longford and in the choir loft of a Longford church between 1957 and 1961.

The victims heard defence counsel William Fennelly outline the medical reports on the defendant, who had been recently diagnosed as suffering from Parkinson's disease.

They fidgeted as Fennelly put forward the mitigating circumstances, saying Dunne had been himself the victim of child sexual abuse.

He had removed himself from the area where he could perpetrate atrocities on boys by teaching in a girls' school and coaching only GAA teams at a senior level.

He was a non-smoker and a nondrinker and Dunne would say he was a good teacher. Dunne, he said, was now thoroughly "disgraced and reviled" but he was seeking to have the sentence suspended because of age and his guilty plea.

But Judge Anthony Kennedy said he had noted the psychiatric reports that Dunne had a long history of paedophilia and had given a very conservative estimate of the number of boys he had molested.

He had taken advantage of the innocence and vulnerability of young boys for his own perverse sexual excitement.

It was of very grave concern that he had been involved in the same activity which led to a conviction when he was aged 75.

The psychological reports indicated that he showed little signs of remorse and suggested a high risk of re-offending.

Dunne heard the judge say it seemed to him he had little alternative but to plead guilty.

When he delivered sentence and refused leave to appeal, the victims shook hands.

The two women embraced their partners and then one another. They all filed out of the court.

One of the men, who came from Dublin, stood on the court steps to see Dunne being led away.

Only he would speak openly to reporters and he told of the things which had been done to him by Dunne, a former Christian Brother.

"At last, at last, " he said. "I have been trying to track him down all my adult life." "When I was going to school we were all afraid of him. He was both bad and mad and he used to beat the shit out of me. He kicked me in the stomach, " he said.

"He was sexually molesting me one day and I hit him. He beat the pulp out of me and when I went home with a black eye my father said I probably deserved it, " he said.

"I was so afraid of him that I used to walk about in my bare feet so I would get a cold and would not have to go to school. He destroyed my life. But this is a good day for me, " he sa
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2021, 04:38:PM
Now, take into consideration the 'Portuguese child care scandal' -

(1) - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Pia_child_sexual_abuse_scandal#:~:text=The%20Casa%20Pia%20child%20sexual,children%20and%20under%2Dage%20orphans.

(a) -    First revelation

Portuguese Judiciary Police (Polícia Judiciária) first accused the caretaker of a Casa Pia state-run children's home in 1981 of raping dozens of children over a period of 30 years, even though some reports of abuse pre-date the 1974 Carnation Revolution. Police accused the perpetrators of supplying children to men from Portugal and other countries, including to some prominent public figures in Portugal.[1] However, these early allegations did not result in any legal action.

        Second revelations

The scandal of alleged sexual abuse at the state-run Casa Pia orphanages resurfaced when several former orphanage children came forward with accusations of abuse. The accusations linked some politicians, diplomats, and media celebrities—all of whom were alleged to have conspired in a paedophilia ring that had operated for decades. The scandal broke in September 2002 when the mother of one alleged victim, known as Joel, complained of abuse by staff at a Casa Pia house.[1]

Former Casa Pia children came forward to publicly accuse several employees of sexual abuse. The weekly magazine Visão reported that a Portuguese diplomat, Jorge Ritto, was removed from his post as consul in Stuttgart (1969–1971) after German authorities complained to Lisbon about his involvement with an under-age boy in a public park.[4]

Accused were diplomat Jorge Ritto, Carlos Cruz, Carlos Silvino (a.k.a. Bibi, an employee of Casa Pia and a former pupil in the institution), Ferreira Diniz (a physician from Lisbon), Hugo Marçal (a lawyer who represented Carlos Silvino in the early stages of the process) and among other individuals, a marine archaeologist.[1]

Secretary of State for Labor and Training from 1999 to 2001, Paulo Pedroso, who was responsible for the Casa Pia homes, which care for some 4,600 children at 10 centers around Portugal, was suspected of 15 cases of sexual violence against minors, which allegedly took place between 1999 and 2000. His case was also subsequently dropped.[1] In September 2008, a Portuguese court ordered the state to pay 100,000 euros ($140,000) to the ex-minister Paulo Pedroso, on the grounds that he was wrongly detained on paedophilia charges.[5]

The Socialist Party leader at the time, Eduardo Ferro Rodrigues, who was a close personal friend of Paulo Pedroso, offered to undergo police questioning after "he had learned of plans to implicate him in the [Casa Pia] scandal". The weekly paper Expresso published a report on 25 May 2003, from four children who said they saw Ferro Rodrigues at locations where sexual abuse was taking place. The paper said there was no evidence he was personally involved and the Attorney General José Souto de Moura insisted he was not a suspect. Ferro Rodrigues took legal action against those who said they saw him at locations where sexual abuse was taking place. Rodrigues has said, "I want it to be clear: our fight will be serene but determined and it is and will only be directed at those who are responsible for this defamation, whatever their objective is."

The Prime Minister at the time, José Manuel Durão Barroso, whose Social Democratic Party ousted the Socialists in March 2002, promised to bring life and honor back into the Casa Pia children's homes and allow new director Catalina Pestana to reform the institution. As a result, several senior staff of Casa Pia were fired after the 2002 revelations. However, Pestana told parliament and the media, as late as 2007, that there may still be paedophiles in the Casa Pia system. She also criticised the legal changes made after the start of the trial, which she claims were made in order to help those who were present to court.[6] These controversial legal changes were partially reverted just before the sentence in September 2010.[7]

The Casa Pia abuse scandal has had the effect of raising public awareness of sexual abuse of children. The number of incidents reported to Portuguese police has soared after the scandal has been revealed.[8]

Investigation and trial

The Casa Pia child sex abuse trial started in 2004. In 2004, as an arguido involved in the trial, Carlos Cruz published a book of personal reflections, Preso 374.[9] The final allegations, formerly scheduled for 20 October 2008 in Lisbon were postponed several times. The country's justice system, often accused of being excruciatingly slow, is believed by some opinion makers such as journalists and Catalina Pestana (former head of Casa Pia), to be vulnerable to external pressures of well-connected personalities and the possibility of corrupting external interference has been considered a real danger, according to those critics.[6] They feared that even if Carlos Silvino (the Casa Pia driver), whose initial trial had been twice postponed, is found guilty, better-connected abusers might go free.[10]

On 3 September 2010, Carlos Cruz (seven years), Carlos Silvino (eighteen years), Hugo Marçal (six years, two months), Manuel Abrantes (five years, nine months), Ferreira Diniz (seven years) and Jorge Ritto (six years, eight months) were convicted on charges of paedophilia and other crimes occurring in the late 1990s and early 2000s.[11] The full ruling, which allegedly runs to nearly 2,000 pages, was due to be released on 8 September 2010.[2] However, it was delayed several times due to a Microsoft Word glitch.[12][13] On 13 September 2010 the full ruling containing the verdict was released. According to chief prosecutor Miguel Matias, the victims were pleased with the outcome.[2] The court ruling was hailed as a victory by those fighting for Casa Pia children's rights in Portugal, such as Pedro Namora, a former pupil at Casa Pia and now a lawyer who publicly supported the victims, and Catalina Pestana, who was head of Casa Pia during the period when some of the cases were made public in the early 2000s.[14]

Child abuse or child maltreatment is physical, sexual, and/or psychological maltreatment or neglect of a child or children, especially by a parent or a caregiver. Child abuse may include any act or failure to act by a parent or a caregiver that results in actual or potential harm to a child and can occur in a child's home, or in the organizations, schools, or communities the child interacts with.

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The terms child abuse and child maltreatment are often used interchangeably, although some researchers make a distinction between them, treating child maltreatment as an umbrella term to cover neglect, exploitation, and trafficking.

Different jurisdictions have developed their own stance towards mandatory reporting, different definitions of what constitutes child abuse to remove children from their families or for prosecuting a criminal charge.

History

Two centuries ago, cruelty to children, perpetrated by employers and teachers, was widespread, and corporal punishment customary in many countries. But, in the first half of the 19th century, pathologists studying filicide (the parental killing of children) reported cases of death from paternal rage,[1] recurrent physical maltreatment,[2] starvation,[3] and sexual abuse.[4] In 1860, a key paper gathered together a series of 32 such cases, of which 18 were fatal, the children dying from starvation and/or recurrent physical abuse; it included the case of Adeline Defert, who was returned by her grandparents at the age of 8, and for 9 years tortured by her parents – whipped every day, hung up by her thumbs and beaten with a nailed plank, burnt with hot coals and her wounds bathed in nitric acid, and deflorated with a baton.[5] Tardieu made home visits and observed the effect on the children; he noticed that the sadness and fear on their faces disappeared when they were placed under protection. He commented, “When we consider the tender age of these poor defenceless beings, subjected daily and almost hourly to savage atrocities, unimaginable tortures and harsh privation, their lives one long martyrdom – and when we face the fact that their tormentors are the very mothers who gave them life, we are confronted with one of the most appalling problems that can disturb the soul of a moralist, or the conscience of justice”.[6] His observations were echoed by Boileau de Castélnau (who introduced the term misopédie – hatred of children),[7] and confirmed by Aubry [8] and several theses.[9][10][11] But these French observations failed to cross the language barrier, and other nations remained ignorant of the cause of many traumatic lesions in infants and toddlers; it was almost one hundred years before humankind confronted Tardieu’s ‘appalling problem’. In the 20th century, evidence began to accumulate from pathology and paediatric radiology, particularly in relation to chronic subdural haematoma and limb fractures: subdural haematoma had a curious bimodal distribution, idiopathic in infants and traumatic in adults,[12] while unexplained ossifying periostitis of the long bones was similar to that occurring after breech extractions.[13] In 1946, Caffey drew attention to the association of long bone fractures and chronic subdural haematoma,[14] and, in 1955, it was noticed that infants removed from the care of aggressive, immature and emotionally ill parents developed no new lesions.[15]

As a result, professional inquiry into the topic began again in the 1960s.[16] The July 1962 publication of the paper "The Battered Child-Syndrome" authored principally by a pediatric psychiatrist C. Henry Kempe and published in The Journal of the American Medical Association represents the moment that child maltreatment entered mainstream awareness. Before the article's publication, injuries to children—even repeated bone fractures—were not commonly recognized as the results of intentional trauma. Instead, physicians often looked for undiagnosed bone diseases or accepted parents' accounts of accidental mishaps such as falls or assaults by neighborhood bullies.[17]:100–103

The study of child abuse emerged as an academic discipline in the early 1970s in the United States. Elisabeth Young-Bruehl maintained that despite the growing numbers of child advocates and interest in protecting children which took place, the grouping of children into "the abused" and the "non-abused" created an artificial distinction that narrowed the concept of children's rights to simply protection from maltreatment, and blocked investigation of how children are discriminated against in society generally. Another effect of the way child abuse and neglect have been studied, according to Young-Bruehl, was to close off consideration of how children themselves perceive maltreatment and the importance they place on adults' attitudes toward them. Young-Bruehl wrote that when the belief in children's inherent inferiority to adults is present in society, all children suffer whether or not their treatment is labeled as "abuse".[17]:15–16

Definitions

Definitions of what constitutes child abuse vary among professionals, between social and cultural groups, and across time.[18][19] The terms abuse and maltreatment are often used interchangeably in the literature.[20]:11 Child maltreatment can also be an umbrella term covering all forms of child abuse and child neglect.[16] Defining child maltreatment depends on prevailing cultural values as they relate to children, child development, and parenting.[21] Definitions of child maltreatment can vary across the sectors of society which deal with the issue,[21] such as child protection agencies, legal and medical communities, public health officials, researchers, practitioners, and child advocates. Since members of these various fields tend to use their own definitions, communication across disciplines can be limited, hampering efforts to identify, assess, track, treat, and prevent child maltreatment.[20]:3[22]

In general, abuse refers to (usually deliberate) acts of commission while neglect refers to acts of omission.[16][23] Child maltreatment includes both acts of commission and acts of omission on the part of parents or caregivers that cause actual or threatened harm to a child.[16] Some health professionals and authors consider neglect as part of the definition of abuse, while others do not; this is because the harm may have been unintentional, or because the caregivers did not understand the severity of the problem, which may have been the result of cultural beliefs about how to raise a child.[24][25] Delayed effects of child abuse and neglect, especially emotional neglect, and the diversity of acts that qualify as child abuse, are also factors.[25]

The World Health Organization (WHO) defines child abuse and child maltreatment as "all forms of physical and/or emotional ill-treatment, sexual abuse, neglect or negligent treatment or commercial or other exploitation, resulting in actual or potential harm to the child's health, survival, development or dignity in the context of a relationship of responsibility, trust or power."[26] The WHO also says, "Violence against children includes all forms of violence against people under 18 years old, whether perpetrated by parents or other caregivers, peers, romantic partners, or strangers."[27] In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) uses the term child maltreatment to refer to both acts of commission (abuse), which include "words or overt actions that cause harm, potential harm, or threat of harm to a child", and acts of omission (neglect), meaning "the failure to provide for a child's basic physical, emotional, or educational needs or to protect a child from harm or potential harm".[20]:11 The United States federal Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act defines child abuse and neglect as, at minimum, "any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation" or "an act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm".[28][29]

Type

As of 2006, the World Health Organization distinguishes four types of child maltreatment: physical abuse; sexual abuse; emotional (or psychological) abuse; and neglect.[30]

Physical abuse

Among professionals and the general public, there is disagreement as to what behaviors constitute physical abuse of a child.[31] Physical abuse often does not occur in isolation but as part of a constellation of behaviors including authoritarian control, anxiety-provoking behavior, and a lack of parental warmth.[32] The WHO defines physical abuse as:

Intentional use of physical force against the child that results in – or has a high likelihood of resulting in – harm for the child's health, survival, development, or dignity. This includes hitting, beating, kicking, shaking, biting, strangling, scalding, burning, poisoning, and suffocating. Much physical violence against children in the home is inflicted with the object of punishing.[30]

Overlapping definitions of physical abuse and physical punishment of children highlight a subtle or non-existent distinction between abuse and punishment,[33] but most physical abuse is physical punishment "in intent, form, and effect".[34] As of 2006, for instance, Paulo Sergio Pinheiro wrote in the UN Secretary-General's Study on Violence Against Children:

Corporal punishment involves hitting ('smacking', 'slapping', 'spanking') children, with the hand or with an implement – whip, stick, belt, shoe, wooden spoon, etc. But it can also involve, for example, kicking, shaking or throwing children, scratching, pinching, biting, pulling hair or boxing ears, forcing children to stay in uncomfortable positions, burning, scalding, or forced ingestion (for example, washing children's mouths out with soap or forcing them to swallow hot spices).[35]

Most nations with child abuse laws deem the deliberate infliction of serious injuries, or actions that place the child at obvious risk of serious injury or death, to be illegal.[36] Bruises, scratches, burns, broken bones, lacerations — as well as repeated "mishaps," and rough treatment that could cause physical injuries — can be physical abuse.[37] Multiple injuries or fractures at different stages of healing can raise suspicion of abuse.

The psychologist Alice Miller, noted for her books on child abuse, took the view that humiliations, spankings, and beatings, slaps in the face, etc. are all forms of abuse, because they injure the integrity and dignity of a child, even if their consequences are not visible right away.[38]

Physical abuse as a child can lead to physical and mental difficulties in the future, including re-victimization, personality disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, dissociative disorders, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, eating disorders, substance use disorders, and aggression. Physical abuse in childhood has also been linked to homelessness in adulthood.[39]

Sexual abuse

Main articles: Child sexual abuse and child-on-child sexual abuse
Child sexual abuse (CSA) is a form of child abuse in which an adult or older adolescent abuses a child for sexual stimulation.[40] Sexual abuse refers to the participation of a child in a sexual act aimed toward the physical gratification or the financial profit of the person committing the act.[37][41] Forms of CSA include asking or pressuring a child to engage in sexual activities (regardless of the outcome), indecent exposure of the genitals to a child, displaying pornography to a child, actual sexual contact with a child, physical contact with the child's genitals, viewing of the child's genitalia without physical contact, or using a child to produce child pornography.[40][42][43] Selling the sexual services of children may be viewed and treated as child abuse rather than simple incarceration.[44]

Effects of child sexual abuse on the victim(s) include guilt and self-blame, flashbacks, nightmares, insomnia, fear of things associated with the abuse (including objects, smells, places, doctor's visits, etc.), self-esteem difficulties, sexual dysfunction, chronic pain, addiction, self-injury, suicidal ideation, somatic complaints, depression,[45] post-traumatic stress disorder,[46] anxiety,[47] other mental illnesses including borderline personality disorder[48] and dissociative identity disorder,[48] propensity to re-victimization in adulthood,[49] bulimia nervosa,[50] and physical injury to the child, among other problems.[51] Children who are the victims are also at an increased risk of sexually transmitted infections due to their immature immune systems and a high potential for mucosal tears during forced sexual contact.[52] Sexual victimization at a young age has been correlated with several risk factors for contracting HIV including decreased knowledge of sexual topics, increased prevalence of HIV, engagement in risky sexual practices, condom avoidance, lower knowledge of safe sex practices, frequent changing of sexual partners, and more years of sexual activity.[52]

As of 2016, in the United States, about 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children.[53][54][55] Most sexual abuse offenders are acquainted with their victims; approximately 30% are relatives of the child, most often brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles or cousins; around 60% are other acquaintances such as friends of the family, babysitters, or neighbours; strangers are the offenders in approximately 10% of child sexual abuse cases.[53] In over one-third of cases, the perpetrator is also a minor.[56]

In 1999 the BBC reported on the RAHI Foundation's survey of sexual abuse in India, in which 76% of respondents said they had been abused as children, 40% of those stating the perpetrator was a family member.[57]

United States federal prosecutors registered multiple charges against a South Korean man for reportedly running the world's "largest dark web child porn marketplace." Reportedly, the English translated website "Welcome to Video", which has now been taken consisted of more than 200,000 videos or 8TB of data showing sexual acts involving infants, children and toddlers and processed about 7,300 Bitcoin, i.e. $730,000 worth of transactions.[58]

Psychological abuse

Main article: Psychological abuse

There are multiple definitions of child psychological abuse:

In 2013, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) added Child Psychological Abuse to the DSM-5, describing it as "nonaccidental verbal or symbolic acts by a child's parent or caregiver that result, or have reasonable potential to result, in significant psychological harm to the child."[59]
In 1995, APSAC defined it as: spurning, terrorizing, isolating, exploiting, corrupting, denying emotional responsiveness, or neglect" or "A repeated pattern of caregiver behavior or extreme incident(s) that convey to children that they are worthless, flawed, unloved, unwanted, endangered, or only of value in meeting another's needs"[60]

In the United States, states laws vary, but most have laws against "mental injury"[61]

Some have defined it as the production of psychological and social defects in the growth of a child as a result of behavior such as loud yelling, coarse and rude attitude, inattention, harsh criticism, and denigration of the child's personality.[37] Other examples include name-calling, ridicule, degradation, destruction of personal belongings, torture or killing of a pet, excessive criticism, inappropriate or excessive demands, withholding communication, and routine labeling or humiliation.[62]
In 2014, the APA stated that:[63]

"Childhood psychological abuse [is] as harmful as sexual or physical abuse."
"Nearly 3 million U.S. children experience some form of [psychological] maltreatment annually."

Psychological maltreatment is "the most challenging and prevalent form of child abuse and neglect."

"Given the prevalence of childhood psychological abuse and the severity of harm to young victims, it should be at the forefront of mental health and social service training"
In 2015, additional research confirmed these 2014 statements of the APA.[64][65]

Victims of emotional abuse may react by distancing themselves from the abuser, internalizing the abusive words, or fighting back by insulting the abuser. Emotional abuse can result in abnormal or disrupted attachment development, a tendency for victims to blame themselves (self-blame) for the abuse, learned helplessness, and overly passive behavior.[62]

Neglect

Main article: Child neglect

Child neglect is the failure of a parent or other person with responsibility for the child, to provide needed food, clothing, shelter, medical care, or supervision to the degree that the child's health, safety or well-being may be threatened with harm. Neglect is also a lack of attention from the people surrounding a child, and the non-provision of the relevant and adequate necessities for the child's survival, which would be a lack of attention, love, and nurturing.[37]

Some observable signs of child neglect include: the child is frequently absent from school, begs or steals food or money, lacks needed medical and dental care, is consistently dirty, or lacks appropriate clothing for the weather.[66] The 2010 Child Maltreatment Report (NCANDS), a yearly United States federal government report based on data supplied by state Child Protective Services (CPS) Agencies in the U.S., found that neglect/neglectful behavior was the "most common form of child maltreatment ".[67]

Neglectful acts can be divided into six sub-categories:[23]

Supervisory neglect: characterized by the absence of a parent or guardian which can lead to physical harm, sexual abuse, or criminal behavior;
Physical neglect: characterized by the failure to provide the basic physical necessities, such as a safe and clean home;
Medical neglect: characterized by the lack of providing medical care;
Emotional neglect: characterized by a lack of nurturance, encouragement, and support;

Educational neglect: characterized by the caregivers lack to provide an education and additional resources to actively participate in the school system; and

Abandonment: when the parent or guardian leaves a child alone for a long period of time without a babysitter or caretaker.

Neglected children may experience delays in physical and psychosocial development, possibly resulting in psychopathology and impaired neuropsychological functions including executive function, attention, processing speed, language, memory and social skills.[68] Researchers investigating maltreated children have repeatedly found that neglected children in the foster and adoptive populations manifest different emotional and behavioral reactions to regain lost or secure relationships and are frequently reported to have disorganized attachments and a need to control their environment. Such children are not likely to view caregivers as being a source of safety, and instead typically show an increase in aggressive and hyperactive behaviors which may disrupt healthy or secure attachment with their adopted parents. These children seem to have learned to adapt to an abusive and inconsistent caregiver by becoming cautiously self-reliant, and are often described as glib, manipulative and disingenuous in their interactions with others as they move through childhood.[69] Children who are victims of neglect can have a more difficult time forming and maintaining relationships, such as romantic or friendship, later in life due to the lack of attachment they had in their earlier stages of life.

Causes   Edit
Child abuse is a complex phenomenon with multiple causes.[129] No single factor can be identified as to why some adults behave abusively or neglectfully toward children. The World Health Organization (WHO) and the International Society for Prevention of Child Abuse and Neglect (ISPCAN) identify multiple factors at the level of the individual, their relationships, their local community, and their society at large, that combine to influence the occurrence of child maltreatment. At the individual level, such factors include age, sex, and personal history, while at the level of society, factors contributing to child maltreatment include cultural norms encouraging harsh physical punishment of children, economic inequality, and the lack of social safety nets.[30] WHO and ISPCAN state that understanding the complex interplay of various risk factors is vital for dealing with the problem of child maltreatment.[30]

The American psychoanalyst Elisabeth Young-Bruehl maintains that harm to children is justified and made acceptable by widely held beliefs in children's inherent subservience to adults, resulting in a largely unacknowledged prejudice against children she terms childism. She contends that such prejudice, while not the immediate cause of child maltreatment, must be investigated in order to understand the motivations behind a given act of abuse, as well as to shed light on societal failures to support children's needs and development in general.[17]:4–6 Founding editor of the International Journal of Children's Rights, Michael Freeman, also argues that the ultimate causes of child abuse lie in prejudice against children, especially the view that human rights do not apply equally to adults and children. He writes, "the roots of child abuse lie not in parental psycho-pathology or in socio-environmental stress (though their influences cannot be discounted) but in a sick culture which denigrates and depersonalizes, which reduces children to property, to sexual objects so that they become the legitimate victims of both adult violence and lust".[130]


A girl who was burned during religious violence in Orissa, India.
Parents who physically abuse their spouses are more likely than others to physically abuse their children.[131] However, it is impossible to know whether marital strife is a cause of child abuse, or if both the marital strife and the abuse are caused by tendencies in the abuser.[131] Sometimes, parents set expectations for their child that are clearly beyond the child's capability. When parents' expectations are far beyond what is appropriate to the child (e.g., preschool children who are expected to be totally responsible for self-care or provision of nurturance to parents) the resulting frustration caused by the child's non-compliance is believed to function as a contributory if not necessary cause of child abuse.[132]

Most acts of physical violence against children are undertaken with the intent to punish.[133] In the United States, interviews with parents reveal that as many as two thirds of documented instances of physical abuse begin as acts of corporal punishment meant to correct a child's behavior, while a large-scale Canadian study found that three quarters of substantiated cases of physical abuse of children have occurred within the context of physical punishment.[134] Other studies have shown that children and infants who are spanked by parents are several times more likely to be severely assaulted by their parents or suffer an injury requiring medical attention. Studies indicate that such abusive treatment often involves parents attributing conflict to their child's willfulness or rejection, as well as "coercive family dynamics and conditioned emotional responses".[34] Factors involved in the escalation of ordinary physical punishment by parents into confirmed child abuse may be the punishing parent's inability to control their anger or judge their own strength, and the parent being unaware of the child's physical vulnerabilities.[32]

Some professionals argue that cultural norms that sanction physical punishment are one of the causes of child abuse, and have undertaken campaigns to redefine such norms.[135][136][137]

Children resulting from unintended pregnancies are more likely to be abused or neglected.[138][139] In addition, unintended pregnancies are more likely than intended pregnancies to be associated with abusive relationships,[140] and there is an increased risk of physical violence during pregnancy.[141] They also result in poorer maternal mental health,[141] and lower mother-child relationship quality.[141]

There is some limited evidence that children with moderate or severe disabilities are more likely to be victims of abuse than non-disabled children.[142] A study on child abuse sought to determine: the forms of child abuse perpetrated on children with disabilities; the extent of child abuse; and the causes of child abuse of children with disabilities. A questionnaire on child abuse was adapted and used to collect data in this study. Participants comprised a sample of 31 pupils with disabilities (15 children with vision impairment and 16 children with hearing impairment) selected from special schools in Botswana. The study found that the majority of participants were involved in doing domestic chores. They were also sexually, physically and emotionally abused by their teachers. This study showed that children with disabilities were vulnerable to child abuse in their schools.[143]

Substance use disorder can be a major contributing factor to child abuse. One U.S. study found that parents with documented substance use, most commonly alcohol, cocaine, and heroin, were much more likely to mistreat their children, and were also much more likely to reject court-ordered services and treatments.[144] Another study found that over two-thirds of cases of child maltreatment involved parents with substance use disorders. This study specifically found relationships between alcohol and physical abuse, and between cocaine and sexual abuse.[145] Also parental stress caused by substance increases the likelihood of the minor exhibiting internalizing and externalizing behaviors.[146] Although the abuse victim does not always realize the abuse is wrong, the internal confusion can lead to chaos. Inner anger turns to outer frustration. Once aged 17/18, drink and drugs are used to numb the hurt feelings, nightmares, and daytime flashbacks. Acquisitive crimes to pay for the chemicals are inevitable if the victim is unable to find employment.[147]

Unemployment and financial difficulties are associated with increased rates of child abuse.[148] In 2009 CBS News reported that child abuse in the United States had increased during the economic recession. It gave the example of a father who had never been the primary care-taker of the children. Now that the father was in that role, the children began to come in with injuries.[149]

Parental mental health has also been seen as a factor towards child maltreatment.[150] According to a recent Children’s HealthWatch study, mothers with positive symptoms of depression display a greater rate of food insecurity, poor health care for their children, and greater number of hospitalizations.[151]

Worldwi

The Child abuse is an international phenomenon. Poverty and substance use disorders are common social problems worldwide, and no matter the location, show a similar trend in the correlation to child abuse.[152] Differences in cultural perspectives play a significant role in how children are treated.[153] Laws reflect the population's views on what is acceptable - for example whether child corporal punishment is legal or not.[153]

A study conducted by members from several Baltic and Eastern European countries, together with specialists from the United States, examined the causes of child abuse in the countries of Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia and Moldova. In these countries, respectively, 33%, 42%, 18% and 43% of children reported at least one type of child abuse.[154] According to their findings, there was a series of correlations between the potential risk factors of parental employment status, alcohol abuse, and family size within the abuse ratings.[155] In three of the four countries, parental substance use was considerably correlated with the presence of child abuse, and although it was a lower percentage, still showed a relationship in the fourth country (Moldova).[155] Each country also showed a connection between the father not working outside of the home and either emotional or physical child abuse.[155] After the fall of the communism regime, some positive changes have followed with regard to tackling child abuse. While there is a new openness and acceptance regarding parenting styles and close relationships with children, child abuse has certainly not ceased to exist. While controlling parenting may be less of a concern, financial difficulty, unemployment, and substance use remain dominating factors in child abuse throughout Eastern Europe.[155]

These cultural differences can be studied from many perspectives. Most importantly, overall parental behavior is genuinely different in various countries. Each culture has their own "range of acceptability," and what one may view as offensive, others may seem as tolerable. Behaviors that are normal to some may be viewed as abusive to others, all depending on the societal norms of that particular country.[155]

Asian parenting perspectives hold different ideals from American culture. Many have described their traditions as including physical and emotional closeness that ensures a lifelong bond between parent and child, as well as establishing parental authority and child obedience through harsh discipline.[156] Balancing disciplinary responsibilities within parenting is common in many Asian cultures, including China, Japan, Singapore, Vietnam and Korea.[156] To some cultures, forceful parenting may be seen as abuse, but in other societies such as these, the use of force is looked at as a reflection of parental devotion.[156]

The differences in these cultural beliefs demonstrate the importance of examining all cross-cultural perspectives when studying the concept of child abuse.

As of 2006, between 25,000 and 50,000 children in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo, had been accused of witchcraft and abandoned.[157] In Malawi it is common practice to accuse children of witchcraft and many children have been abandoned, abused and even killed as a result.[158] In the Nigerian, Akwa Ibom State and Cross River State about 15,000 children were branded as witches.[159]

In April 2015, public broadcasting reported that the rate of child abuse in South Korea had increased to 13% compared with the previous year, and 75% of attackers were the children's own parents.[160]

On 4 December 2020, Joel Le Scouarnec, a retired French surgeon was sentenced to 15 years in jail at the end of his trial in a court in Saintes, western France, for the rape and sexual abuse of four children. Le Scouarnec was first charged in 2017 after testimony from one of his victims.[161]

Disclosure and assessment

Suspicion for physical abuse is recommended when an injury occurs in a child who does not yet move independently, injuries are in unusual areas, more than one injury at different stages of healing, symptoms of possible head trauma, and injuries to more than one body system.[162]

In many jurisdictions, abuse that is suspected, not necessarily proven, requires reporting to child protection agencies, such as the Child Protection Services in the United States. Recommendations for healthcare workers, such as primary care providers and nurses, who are often suited to encounter suspected abuse are advised to firstly determine the child’s immediate need for safety. A private environment away from suspected abusers is desired for interviewing and examining. Leading statements that can distort the story are avoided. As disclosing abuse can be distressing and sometimes even shameful, reassuring the child that he or she has done the right thing by telling and that they are not bad or that the abuse was not their fault helps in disclosing more information. Dolls are sometimes used to help explain what happened. In Mexico, psychologists trial using cartoons to speak to children who may be more likely to disclose information than to a adult stranger.[163] For the suspected abusers, it is also recommended to use a nonjudgmental, nonthreatening attitude towards them and to withhold expressing shock, in order to help disclose information.[164]

A key part of child abuse work is assessment. A few methods of assessment include projective tests, clinical interviews, and behavioral observations.[165]

Projective tests allow for the child to express themselves through drawings, stories, or even descriptions in order to get help establish an initial understanding of the abuse that took place

Clinical interviews are comprehensive interviews performed by professionals to analyze the mental state of the one being interviewed
Behavioral observation gives an insight into things that trigger a child's memory of the abuse through observation of the child's behavior when interacting with other adults or children

A particular challenge arises where child protection professionals are assessing families where neglect is occurring. Professionals conducting assessments of families where neglect is taking place can make the following errors:[166]

Failure to ask the right types of question, including

Whether neglect is occurring;

Why neglect is occurring;

What the situation is like for the child;

Whether improvements in the family are likely to be sustained;

What needs to be done to ensure the long-term safety of the child?

Prevention   Edit
A support-group structure is needed to reinforce parenting skills and closely monitor the child's well-being. Visiting home nurse or social-worker visits are also required to observe and evaluate the progress of the child and the caretaking situation. The support-group structure and visiting home nurse or social-worker visits are not mutually exclusive. Many studies have demonstrated that the two measures must be coupled together for the best possible outcome.[167] Studies show that if health and medical care personnel in a structured way ask parents about important psychosocial risk factors in connection with visiting pediatric primary care and, if necessary, offering the parent help may help prevent child maltreatment.[168][169]

Children's school programs regarding "good touch … bad touch" can provide children with a forum in which to role-play and learn to avoid potentially harmful scenarios. Pediatricians can help identify children at risk of maltreatment and intervene with the aid of a social worker or provide access to treatment that addresses potential risk factors such as maternal depression.[170] Videoconferencing has also been used to diagnose child abuse in remote emergency departments and clinics.[171] Unintended conception increases the risk of subsequent child abuse, and large family size increases the risk of child neglect.[139] Thus, a comprehensive study for the National Academy of Sciences concluded that affordable contraceptive services should form the basis for child abuse prevention.[139][172] "The starting point for effective child abuse programming is pregnancy planning," according to an analysis for US Surgeon General C. Everett Koop.[139][173]

Findings from research published in 2016 support the importance of family relationships in the trajectory of a child's life: family-targeted interventions are important for improving long-term health, particularly in communities that are socioeconomically disadvantaged.[174]

Resources for child-protection services are sometimes limited. According to Hosin (2007), "a considerable number of traumatized abused children do not gain access to protective child-protection strategies."[where?][175] Briere (1992) argues that only when "lower-level violence" of children[clarification needed] ceases to be culturally tolerated will there be changes in the victimization and police protection of children.[176]

United States

Child sexual abuse prevention programmes were developed in the United States of America during the 1970s and originally delivered to children. Programmes delivered to parents were developed in the 1980s and took the form of one-off meetings, two to three hours long.[177][178][179][180][181][182] In the last 15 years, web-based programmes have been developed.

Since 1983, April has been designated Child Abuse Prevention Month in the United States.[183] U.S. President Barack Obama continued that tradition by declaring April 2009 Child Abuse Prevention Month.[184] One way the Federal government of the United States provides funding for child-abuse prevention is through Community-Based Grants for the Prevention of Child Abuse and Neglect (CBCAP).[185]

An investigation by The Boston Globe and ProPublica published in 2019[186] found that the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico were all out of compliance with the requirements of the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, and that underfunding of child welfare agencies and substandard procedures in some states caused failures to prevent avoidable child injuries and deaths.

A number of policies and programs have been put in place in the U.S. to try to better understand and to prevent child abuse fatalities, including: safe-haven laws, child fatality review teams, training for investigators, shaken baby syndrome prevention programs, and child abuse death laws which mandate harsher sentencing for taking the life of a child.[187]
Treatments   Edit
A number of treatments are available to victims of child abuse.[188] However, children who experience childhood trauma do not heal from abuse easily.[189] There are focused cognitive behavioral therapy, first developed to treat sexually abused children, is now used for victims of any kind of trauma. It targets trauma-related symptoms in children including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), clinical depression and anxiety. It also includes a component for non-offending parents. Several studies have found that sexually abused children undergoing TF-CBT improved more than children undergoing certain other therapies. Data on the effects of TF-CBT for children who experienced non-sexual abuse was not available as of 2006.[188] The purpose of dealing with the thoughts and feelings associated with the trauma is to deal with nightmares, flashbacks and other intrusive experiences that might be spontaneously brought on by any number of discriminative stimuli in the environment or in the individual’s brain. This would aid the individual in becoming less fearful of specific stimuli that would arouse debilitating fear, anger, sadness or other negative emotion. In other words, the individual would have some control or mastery over those emotions.[69]

Parenting training can prevent child abuse in the short term, and help children with a range of emotional, conduct and behavioural challenges, but there is insufficient evidence about whether it treat parents who already abuse their children.[190]

Abuse-focused cognitive behavioral therapy was designed for children who have experienced physical abuse. It targets externalizing behaviors and strengthens prosocial behaviors. Offending parents are included in the treatment, to improve parenting skills/practices. It is supported by one randomized study.[188]

Rational Cognitive Emotive Behavior Therapy consists of ten distinct but interdependent steps. These steps fall into one of three theoretical orientations (i.e., rational or solution focused, cognitive emotive, and behavioral) and are intended to provide abused children and their adoptive parents with positive behavior change, corrective interpersonal skills, and greater control over themselves and their relationships. They are: 1) determining and normalizing thinking and behaving, 2) evaluating language, 3) shifting attention away from problem talk 4) describing times when the attachment problem isn't happening, 5) focusing on how family members "successfully" solve problematic attachment behavior; 6) acknowledging "unpleasant emotions" (i.e., angry, sad, scared) underlying negative interactional patterns, 7) identifying antecedents (controlling conditions) and associated negative cognitive emotive connections in behavior (reciprocal role of thought and emotion in behavioral causation), 8) encouraging previously abused children to experience or "own" negative thoughts and associated aversive emotional feelings, 9) modeling and rewarding positive behavior change (with themselves and in relationships), and 10) encouraging and rewarding thinking and behaving differently. This type of therapy shifts victims thoughts away from the bad and changes their behavior.[69]

Parent–child interaction therapy was designed to improve the child-parent relationship following the experience of domestic violence. It targets trauma-related symptoms in infants, toddlers, and preschoolers, including PTSD, aggression, defiance, and anxiety. It is supported by two studies of one sample.[188]

School-based programs have also been developed to treat children who are survivors of abuse.[191] This approach teaches children, parents, teachers, and other school staff how to identify the signs of child maltreatment as well as skills that can be helpful in preventing child maltreatment.[192]

Other forms of treatment include group therapy, play therapy, and art therapy. Each of these types of treatment can be used to better assist the client, depending on the form of abuse they have experienced. Play therapy and art therapy are ways to get children more comfortable with therapy by working on something that they enjoy (coloring, drawing, painting, etc.). The design of a child's artwork can be a symbolic representation of what they are feeling, relationships with friends or family, and more. Being able to discuss and analyze a child's artwork can allow a professional to get a better insight of the child.[193]
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 07, 2021, 05:43:PM
I pose the following questions :-

(1) - were any of the church pedophiles (Casa Pia Orphanage Child Care abuse case) released on bail, pending their trial, and were anyone of these perverts linked in someway, with control of 'Our Lady of the Shining Light Church' at Praia De Luz '?

(2) - was any of these disgusting individuals, the [as yet]  the unkown / unidentified Reverand in charge and control of the local church at Praia De Luz, at the time that' Madeleine McCann' went missing, and 'off radar'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 08, 2021, 07:19:PM
 The 'Ave Dos Pescadores' [Praia De Luz] Triangle(s)

Chaplins Bar
Local Church
Derelict Building
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 08, 2021, 08:23:PM
I pose the following questions :-

(1) - were any of the church pedophiles (Casa Pia Orphanage Child Care abuse case) released on bail, pending their trial, and were anyone of these perverts linked in someway, with control of 'Our Lady of the Shining Light Church' at Praia De Luz '?

(2) - was any of these disgusting individuals, the [as yet]  the unkown / unidentified Reverand in charge and control of the local church at Praia De Luz, at the time that' Madeleine McCann' went missing, and 'off radar'...
I'm not sure it's relevant. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11179026
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2021, 11:33:AM
I'm not sure it's relevant. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11179026

I would be interested in the identity of the reverend who proceeded 'Reverand Hubbard' and any possible link between him, and and any of the Casa pia child abuse, suspects, defendants, and peodophiles..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2021, 11:38:AM
I would be interested in the identity of the reverend who proceeded 'Reverand Hubbard' and any possible link between him, and and any of the Casa pia child abuse, suspects, defendants, and peodophiles..
Similarly, if there exists any link between the aforementioned 'unknown Reverend', 'Kate' and 'Gerald McCann' and or 'any of the other' 'so called 'adult, tapas 7 group members'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2021, 11:42:AM
How come, that the 'McCann parents' appear not to have been in contact at all, with the 'unknown Reverand' who held the post at the local church at the time 'Madeleine' actually disappeared, and the disputed time and date, that the parents raised the alarm try to contact him?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 09, 2021, 07:50:PM
How come, that the 'McCann parents' appear not to have been in contact at all, with the 'unknown Reverand' who held the post at the local church at the time 'Madeleine' actually disappeared, and the disputed time and date, that the parents raised the alarm try to contact him?
Presumably he being Anglican, they Roman Catholic, though both denominations sharing the same church would not necessarily share the same paths.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2021, 06:24:AM
Presumably he being Anglican, they Roman Catholic, though both denominations sharing the same church would not necessarily share the same paths.

This suggests to me, that by 'this' or 'those stages' - of - 'Madeleine McCanns' demise, that 'Kate' (her mother) already knew, (a) - that 'Madeleine' was 'dead', (b) the circumstances of how she had died (c) that her remains 'had' or 'were concealed' at or in 'the local drainage system'' or perhaps (d) - the names or occult /satanic/ peadophile ring(s) who were all involved at various stages in the situation/events 'which had unfolded' and (e) 'some sort of a well' [still in use [post] or officially/unofficially 'since' landfilled]...

One of the 42 unanswered questions put to her by 'PJ' involved whether or not 'the parents' had 'asked for' the services of a priest' at any stage [prior to] the date she was being interviewed (7th September 2007) - but 'she gave response'!

'bearing in mind (of course) that' reverend Hubbard' did not take up the post to the local church until and from the '6th May 2007', onward?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 11, 2021, 06:33:AM

This suggests to me, that by 'this' or 'those stages' - of - 'Madeleine McCanns' demise, that 'Kate' (her mother) already knew, (a) - that 'Madeleine' was 'dead', (b) the circumstances of how she had died (c) that her remains 'had' or 'were concealed' at or in 'the local drainage system'' or perhaps (d) - the names or occult /satanic/ peadophile ring(s) who were all involved at various stages in the situation/events 'which had unfolded' and (e) 'some sort of a well' [still in use [post] or officially/unofficially 'since' landfilled]...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 12, 2021, 07:46:AM
We don't know who it was. We do know parishioner John Geraghty suggested to Father Pacheco that he give the keys of Nossa Senhora da Luz church to the McCanns following Maddie's disappearance. All Catholics though it seems. There's a rumour that Kate confessed to Father Pacheco (I don't wish to make it more scurrilous than it already is) but I don't know where the guy who preceded Reverend Hubbard is or if he fits into the story at all. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html

Yes, father 'Jose' Manuel Pacheco' was the pastor of the 'Our Lady of the shining light' church when 'Madeleine McCann' met her fate [1st - 3rd May 2007). He was 'the priest who is beleived to have taken confession' from 'Kate McCann' within a day or so of 'Madeleines' alledged demise. As I see it in my minds eye, 'he was also the priest' (we now know that 'Hubbard' did not give the 'McCann parents' a key, or the keys to the church). 'Father Pacheco' was responsible for this course of action which he participated in, before 'reverand Hubbard' took up his post as the pasture of 'Our Lady of the shining light' church on 6th May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2021, 01:05:AM
Why has 'the Reverand Hubbard' been nominated as the priest who gave the key, or the keys to the church building(s) to the 'McCann parents' in order for them to take/seek refuge there, to 'avoid the attention of the mass media' prior to him taking his position as pastor of the local church (he took up his post at the church on the '6th May 2007') , when 'Kate McCann' tended her confession to 'the then resident paster', 'Pacheco' within a day or so, of the parents and other members of the tapas 9 group, faking the loss of 'Madeleine McCann' on the '3rd May 2007', despite the fact that 'Madeleine' was subject of 'annihilation' two days earlier (1st May 2007)...

What we are dealing with here is...

Rather 'somewhat revealing'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2021, 01:08:AM
Please pay attention to the following matter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2021, 01:13:AM
'Farther Pacheco' bears a close resemblance to the latest suspect 'Christian Bruckner'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2021, 01:28:AM
'Farther Pacheco' bears a close resemblance to the latest suspect 'Christian Bruckner'?

'Was' or 'is', 'Father Jose' Manuel Pacheco' and 'Christian Bruckner' one and 'the same person', or 'more poignantly' did 'Farther Pacheco' know 'one another' and is this the 'Throbbing connection' linking 'the church', 'satanism' and its [international] 'rituals', together with the involvement of 'Christian Bruckner' in this long lasting, and continuing saga [the planned involvement of 'Madeleine McCanns' in a 'Satanic rutual' - 'Walpurgas night sacrificial sacrifice']...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2021, 02:16:AM
Please, also take into consideration, that not only 'was' or 'is' one person sharing 'two different identities' [the priest and 'Christialn Bruckner' - maybe 'not his actual name'] but that the eventual 'unavailability of pastor Pecheco' , and 'his current whereabouts' is directly linked, to the latest introduction, of the latest suspect [Christian Bruckner] currently locked up and serving a term of imprisonment in a German jail [ thus rather 'inconveniently' in a place where no-one, or anyone seeking to establish the actual truth in / of this matter can have close encounter access with him]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2021, 02:26:AM
In my opinion, the disapperence of 'Madeleine McCann' was /is akin to a film, theatre production, involving a large number of actors / actresses. If this be true, there should 'emerge evidence' or 'information supporting this' or 'that supposition'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 13, 2021, 02:29:AM
In my opinion, the disapperence of 'Madeleine McCann' was /is akin to a film, theatre production, involving a large number of actors / actresses. If this be true, there should 'emerge evidence' or 'information supporting this' or 'that supposition'..

Contained amongst the 'PJ' files...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on September 13, 2021, 01:34:PM
Belgium features in the Brueckner case when he murdered a teenager there. He is being investigated for many more attacks.
MM had been " spotted " a few times in Belgium in the earlier days of the investigation.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 14, 2021, 04:32:PM
Belgium features in the Brueckner case when he murdered a teenager there. He is being investigated for many more attacks.
MM had been " spotted " a few times in Belgium in the earlier days of the investigation.
Yes lookout-Carola Titze amongst others. https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/06/madeleine-mccann-suspect-linked-murder-teenager-found-dead-beach-12815550/

Edited content [mike tesko] originally posted by Steve_uk (above) below:-
Madeleine McCann suspect ‘may be linked to murder of teenager’ found dead on beach

The new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case could be linked to the murder of a German teenager, it is claimed.

Police are allegedly investigating whether convicted sex offender Christian Brueckner, 43, could be involved in the case of Carola Titze, 16, who was found dead on a beach in Belgium on July 11, 1996.

The young woman’s body was reportedly discovered after she went out for a walk on July 5 while on holiday with her parents in the municipality of De Haan.

She is said to have been in touch with a German man in the days before her death, with the pair allegedly seen at a disco together, according to The Telegraph.

The public prosecutor’s office in West Flanders, Bruges, have confirmed they are investigating whether Brückner could be involved, according to local newspaper reports.

It comes after the suspect was potentially linked to the disappearances of two other children.

He is being investigated over the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who was five years old when she vanished from a forest in Germany’s Saxony-Anhalt region on May 2, 2015.

Brueckner lived in a disused factory in the town of Neuwegersleben, around 60 miles south-west of Stendal, Saxony-Anhalt, when Inga went missing, according to German reports.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner

Police allegedly looked for the little girl in the factory in 2016, but did not find her and the investigation was dropped.

However, the German national was prosecuted after officers found child sex abuse images on a USB stick in the same search.

Prosecutors in Stendal have reportedly said Brueckner is not currently a suspect in Inga’s disappearance – but they have confirmed they are probing possible connections between the cases of Madeleine and Inga.

Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is also said to have contacted the family of René Hasee, 6, who vanished in 1996, to say they are looking into his abduction once again.

The little boy from Elsdorf, Germany, was last seen running ahead of his mother and step-father while on holiday with them in Aljezur on June 21, 1996.

Brueckner, who was already convicted of sex offences against children, was regularly living in the Algarve from 1995, detectives have claimed.

René’s father Andreas Hasee reportedly told German newspaper Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger the phone call from police was the first time he had been contacted about the investigation in 20 years and ‘there could be a connection.’

The new alleged development comes after claims that investigators in Germany ignored warnings that Brueckner could have kidnapped Madeleine seven years ago.

The new alleged development comes after claims that investigators in Germany ignored warnings that Brueckner could have kidnapped Madeleine seven years ago.

Detectives identified the sex offender as a key suspect in 2013, but their intel was ignored by the country’s Federal Criminal Office, according to magazine Der Spiegel.

Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange force still considers the McCann case a missing person inquiry because there is no ‘definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead’.

However, German prosecutors have said they believe she is dead and are investigating Brueckner on suspicion of her murder.

Police have reportedly received nearly 400 tip-offs since Brueckner was named as a suspect.

A force spokesperson said today: ‘We have now received just short of 400 pieces of information. We are pleased with the amount of calls and emails coming in and we are assessing them and prioritising them.’

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2021, 10:38:PM


The new alleged development comes after claims that investigators in Germany ignored warnings that Brueckner could have kidnapped Madeleine seven years ago.

Detectives identified the sex offender as a key suspect in 2013, but their intel was ignored by the country’s Federal Criminal Office, according to magazine Der Spiegel.

Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange force still considers the McCann case a missing person inquiry because there is no ‘definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead’.

However, German prosecutors have said they believe she is dead and are investigating Brueckner on suspicion of her murder.

Police have reportedly received nearly 400 tip-offs since Brueckner was named as a suspect.

A force spokesperson said today: ‘We have now received just short of 400 pieces of information. We are pleased with the amount of calls and emails coming in and we are assessing them and prioritising them.’

It remains a distinct possbility that 'key named persons of interest' at various times in the investigation into the disappearence of 'Madeleine McCann', were 'all involved in someway in getting the story over the line' - for example, 'David Payne', 'Gerald McCann', 'Russel O' brien', 'Jane Tanner', 'Mathew Oldfield', 'Kate McCann', 'Robert Murat', 'Sergey Malinka', various 'Ocean Club employees', 'Father Pacheco', 'Reverand Hubbard', ' Christian Bruckner', 'The Carpenter couple', 'David Cameron', the 'PJ investigation', 'Operation Grange', the 'German investigation', use of 'Derelict Buildings' and 'grounds', use of 'derelict factories', the 'Roman Catholic Church', 'Satanism" and 'Human Sacrifice' on 'specific pagan' , 'religeous festive dates', or' occasions', etc, etc, etc..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 17, 2021, 10:51:PM
Some 'evidence' already exists to indicate that prior to the 'McCann family' embarked upon the trip to the algarve, (at the back end of April 2007), that the 'McCann parents' had already set up a website beforehand promoting the disappearence of their daughter, 'Madeleine' and that 'Kate McCann' had 'a deep forboding' that 'something serious was going to happen' during 'the planned holiday'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 18, 2021, 07:01:PM
The alledged disappearance of 'Madeleine McCann' was is 'nothing but a preconceived script', with an array of different participants willing and eager to play their role in the impossible abduction scenario, which alledgedly took place sometime between 9.00 - 10.00pm, on 'the evening of 3rd May 2007' [`Madeleine was dehumanised, executed, abused, in a satanic ritual which was /is associated with the satanic festive ritual of 'Walpurgus night', (30th April - 1st May 2007). The 'McCann parents' agreed to allow their daughter to be a symbolical sacrifice in 'some sort of sacrificial role' , which went 'tragically wrong'. Somewhere in the chain of command or hierarchy, 'Madeleine' became or was handled like a 'real life sacrifice' and was abused sexually tortured and the life gradually drained from her...

Such ceremonies, were [are] often carried out in church premises, such as 'the `church in Praia de Luz`, or `upon adjoining land`, or `nearby premises` (the derelict building,' 5 Ave Dos Pescadores') , or [neighbouring properties] , such as 'Chaplins bar' or 'the forte' closest to the view point!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 21, 2021, 02:46:PM
Please take into account, the possible involvement of other religeous sects /orders, in seasonal demonic, satanic rituals, including, for example, 'freemasonary', the 'illuminati', 'johovas witness', 'Hindu', 'pagan' and 'muslim' practices and 'individual membership'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 21, 2021, 02:47:PM
Please take into account, the possible involvement of other religeous sects /orders, in seasonal demonic, satanic rituals, including, for example, 'freemasonary', the 'illuminati', 'johavanes witness', 'Hindu', 'pagan' and 'muslim' practices and 'individual membership'...

And, 'the new world order'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 22, 2021, 02:58:AM
Some interesting 'information / evidence' has been 'stumbled upon' , which if 'true' or 'accurately reported' elsewhere, may confirm that 'Madeleine McCann' met her fate a very long time, before 'her parents' and 'others' reported that 'she had gone missing' , had 'been taken' ,'abducted', 'sacrificed', or 'had died' on the 3rd May 2007, when she may have met her fate, much sooner, for example, on either of the following dates ('29th April 2007' - '1st May 2007'). It is very interesting, that with the exception of the 'McCann parents' and 'David Payne' that none of the 'other tapas group members' mention the fact that on any of the aforementioned dates, anything to do with seeing, or intereacting with the victim ('Madeleine McCann'), except for the fake account regarding the suggestion that 'Madeleine' had been 'playing tennis' and that she was photographed doing so, after the actual date and time she had met her fate...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 22, 2021, 05:30:AM
It is very interesting, that with the exception of the 'McCann parents' and 'David Payne' that none of the 'other tapas group members' mention the fact that on any of the aforementioned dates, anything to do with seeing, or intereacting with the victim ('Madeleine McCann'), except for the fake account regarding the suggestion that 'Madeleine' had been 'playing tennis' and that she was photographed doing so, after the actual date and time she had met her fate...

Two sightings made by different witnesses, one involving 'Gerald McCann' speaking to someone on his / a mobile phone, or maybe he was recording a message on a dictaphone, where he was begging and pleading with / to someone or other, for them to 'please don' t harm, Madeleine' etc, on a date prior to the 2nd May 2007 (which if true, destroys the claim that 'Madeleine McCann' disappeared sometime between 9.05 and 10.00pm from apartment 5A on the aforementioned date), since why would 'Gerald McCann' have been pleading with or to someone for them to 'please do not harm' Madeleine, a day or so, prior to the alert being raised regarding her disappearing act much later on? A second sighting of a potential suspect seen handing over a child who could have been 'Madeleine McCann' occurred during daylight hours on the '2nd /3rd May 2007', at  around 4.00 - 5.00pm, which allegedly involved 'Robert Murats' girlfriend 'Michaela Walczuch' and two stationary parked cars parked, one a black coloured audi A3, driven by a man, and the other vehicle which was being driven by a blond haired woman, was distinctively green coloured - the lorry driver subsequently identified the woman he had seen as 'Murats girlfriend...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 22, 2021, 06:24:AM
Christian Brueckner's ex-girlfriend claims he assaulted her daughter

A former girlfriend of Christian Brueckner, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has spoken for the first time of her nightmare ordeal living with the child sex predator.

A former girlfriend of Christian Brueckner, 43, (above) said she lived in fear of his release from prison after he served a sentence for sexually assaulting her five-year-old daughter

'I am scared because it was this trial that put him in jail. I don't want him to come out of jail,' said the woman, noting that Brueckner received only a 15-month prison sentence for the crime.

The woman, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, claimed that Brueckner repeatedly assaulted her daughter and would also launch violent attacks against her, adding: 'He hit me when he was drunk or in a foul mood. He was very aggressive.'

She described how she reported Brueckner to police for the abuse of her daughter and provided a written statement to help prosecutors.

'I believe he abused my daughter on three occasions, but the police only charged him for the one occasion because they had photos of the abuse,' she said.

The 35-year-old woman – the first ex-partner to give details of the German paedophile's warped personality – said she lived in fear of his release from prison after serving a sentence for sexually assaulting her five-year-old daughter.

She had been in a relationship with Brueckner, 43, for nine months, living for a time with her daughter in his apartment beside the kiosk he worked at in Braunschweig, a city in northern Germany.

Brueckner assaulted the girl – who had blonde hair like Madeleine – in a public park before taking graphic photographs of her which he saved on a memory card.

She fears Brueckner may have abused other youngsters in the area because a number of parents were in the habit of entrusting him with their children. 'I am sure he abused other children. Some parents used to leave their kids with him, especially those parents on welfare,' she said.

Brueckner was first investigated by police for sexually abusing the five-year-old girl in 2014.

When police raided his flat, they found a Casio Exilim digital camera with 391 vile images and 68 videos of abuse. On the same camera, detectives found about five photographs of Brueckner abusing the five-year-old girl in a Braunschweig park.

Police identified the location and established that the pictures had been taken in 2013.

The 35-year-old woman claimed Brueckner, who is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance, repeatedly assaulted her daughter and launched violent attacks against her

It was around this time that Brueckner came to the attention of German investigators looking into the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz.

Police had received a tip-off about the long-term criminal and paedophile after a nationwide appeal about Madeleine was broadcast on the German equivalent of Crimewatch.

In June, German police announced Brueckner was officially a suspect. Forensic analysis of mobile phone data showed he was near Madeleine's Algarve apartment on the night she disappeared.

Brueckner was first tried at a lower court in Braunschweig for sexually abusing the five-year-old, but was acquitted in 2016 and fled to Portugal. He was extradited back to Germany a year later to stand trial again, where he confessed to abusing the girl and owning the camera. He is currently serving his sentence in Kiel prison near Hamburg.

While in prison, Brueckner was also found guilty of raping a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005.

His lawyers, who deny he had any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, are seeking to use a procedural error to overturn his seven-year sentence for the rape.

Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said last week that his client was 'innocent' of any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 22, 2021, 06:42:AM
REVEALED: ‘CHILD THERAPIST’ TRACKED DOWN BY OLIVE PRESS WAS MADDIE MCCANN SUSPECT’S ‘PARTNER IN CRIME’ IN PORTUGAL AS MORE DETAILS UNEARTHED

In an explosive documentary on Portugal’s national RTP TV station, the attractive German from Wurzburg, has been accused of pinpointing ‘good properties to rob’ for the pair

Billing the documentary on Sexta at 9 as ‘Accomplice of Christian Brueckner’, journalist Sandra Felgueiras accused Fehlinger of being his ‘partner in crime’.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 22, 2021, 11:33:AM
There is already some tentative links between main characters in 'the Madeleine McCann' scenarios, and another, or others, including all the named or suspected individuals who were being promoted as a suspect or an accomplice in the matter at hand...

Here I pose just a few of the questions which require a truthful answer(s)...

(1) - Did the McCann parents, or one parent, or the other, know 'Robert Murat' prior to the trip to Praia De Luz, Portugal at the back-end of April 2007?

(2) - was 'David Payne' aware that he closely resembled 'Robert Murat' or vice versa, in appearence, before the holiday break to 'Portugal' was arranged, or was being developed?

(3) - was the last occasion which 'Madeleine McCann' spent 'alive in apartment 5A' of the Ocean Club complex, on the morning, afternoon, evening, or night, on the '29th', '30th April 2007', or the '1st May 2007
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 23, 2021, 08:21:PM
"There is no forensic evidence.."  https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-has-appeal-rejected-by-european-court-of-justice-12079663
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 24, 2021, 09:06:AM
'Secrets of the Reptilian Race' Amongst Us'

They, are 'them' and we are 'us'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 24, 2021, 09:10:AM
'Secrets of the Reptilian Race' Amongst Us'

They, are 'them' and we are 'us'..

Some of 'us' aspire to be favoured by 'them'..

Others, amongst us, are not fooled, by what members of the reptillian congregation are doing and do...

The 'McCann parents' are 'budding reptillion advocates', and 'the life of their daughter' was 'taken from their custodianship', as part of 'a satanic ritual (initiation) ceremony, for 'them' to become 'bone fide', 'reptilians' themselves!

Reptilians beleive that the soul of 'every living thing never dies' - hence, why the parents are still holding onto the belief that their daughter ('Madeleine') is still alive...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 24, 2021, 12:22:PM
Some of 'us' aspire to be favoured by 'them'..

Others, amongst us, are not fooled, by what members of the reptillian congregation are doing and do...

The 'McCann parents' are 'budding reptillion advocates', and 'the life of their daughter' was 'taken from their custodianship', as part of 'a satanic ritual (initiation) ceremony, for 'them' to become 'bone fide', 'reptilians' themselves!

Reptilians beleive that the soul of 'every living thing never dies' - hence, why the parents are still holding onto the belief that their daughter ('Madeleine') is still alive...

Or, as the case maybe, is 'reborn'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 24, 2021, 12:35:PM
Reptilian existence, and all those who become affiliated to 'its cause', live in a different world to most of 'us'. They operate against most of us mere mortals, using 'a binary system of whats right' , or 'wrong', to justify themselves and the codes of conduct which they always seek to apply, when investigating or attempting to get to the truth of any matter - for example, 'they choose to rely', 'on their own version of the truth', against 'your version of the truth', without taking into consideration, the fact that what they say, or are saying, and 'your version of what you say, or is saying, cannot be' the actual truth' in any matter where the source of admissible information or evidence, given or relied upon by either of the two different parties is, or may be at odds with one another...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 24, 2021, 12:39:PM
Reptilian existence, and all those who become affiliated to 'its cause', live in a different world to most of 'us'. They operate against most of us mere mortals, using 'a binary system of whats right' , or 'wrong', to justify themselves and the codes of conduct which they always seek to apply, when investigating or attempting to get to the truth of any matter - for example, 'they choose to rely', 'on their own version of the truth', against 'your version of the truth', without taking into consideration, the fact that what they say, or are saying, and 'your version of what you say, or is saying, cannot be' the actual truth' in any matter where the source of admissible information or evidence, given or relied upon by either of the two different parties is, or may be at odds with one another...

Yet, in the above example, there is and are a 'third version' which I shall refer to as 'the actual truth', whereby parts of what they say, or have said, and parts of what you might have said, or say be 'the truth' paints a clear picture of reality, concerning what actually took place..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 25, 2021, 06:15:AM
Yet, in the above example, there is and are a 'third version' which I shall refer to as 'the actual truth', whereby parts of what they say, or have said, and parts of what you might have said, or say be 'the truth' paints a clear picture of reality, concerning what actually took place..
What follows is a chart, which may be relied upon, as a general guide to setting out, 'where the actual truth' in any situation is 'most likely to lie' ( in other words, 'the actual truth')!

Number of 'witnesses' , in 'any argument' , 'debate' , or 'confrontation', (permutations), - in order to establish, 'the closest version of the actual truth', in 'any given set of circumstances'..

1 witness or 'source of evidence', 'unapposed', 'unchallenged' - actual truth stance = 100% (only 'one version of the actual truth')

2 witness or source of evidence, unapposed, unchallenged - actual truth stance = (three different versions of truth, [1] your version of the truth, [2] My version of the truth, and [3] the actual truth, which may incorporate parts of your truth[1], and my truth [2] - 'Oh Yeah')..

3 witness or source(s) of evidence - 4 versions of truth (1) this persons truth, (2) that version of anothers version of the truth (3) the version of a third persons account, and (4) the actual truth which is formed from different parts of all witness accounts..

4 witnesses or source(s) of evidence:-

(1) - their version
(2) - their version
(3) - their version
(4) - their version

(5) - the actual truth made up from parts of the other four versions of their truths..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2021, 01:36:PM
Everything that we the general public have been told by the McCanns, their friends, by members of the Ocean Club staff, how the creche logs covering the alleged attendance of Madeleine McCann during the morning and evenings on 1st, 2nd and the 3rd of May 2007 was / is not true. The McCann daughter was brought to Pria De Luz (Portugal) specifically for her to take part in the 'Walpurgus festivities', and 'rituals' practiced on the evening of the 30th April and the evening of the 1st May 2007, by 'Devil worshippers', 'Satanists', 'Dodgy Priests' or 'Chaplins', affiliated with and or too the 'Roman Catholic church', 'the church of England', 'Paganism', 'Witchcraft', 'freemasonary', 'Knights Templar', 'illuminati', 'Heads of State','MPs', and 'the common sexual abuse of children by peadophiles','which lead onto' some of these very young victims becoming true to life sacrificial offerrings. 'I think' that 'Madeleine McCann' was brought to Portugal by her parents and some of their friends to partake as a symbolic sacrifice during the 'Walpurgus nacht' festivities and celebrations, but that somewhere between the evening of 30th April and the 1st May 2007, that something took place, which was not supposed to happen which culminated in the sexual abuse, and termination of her life by way of a 'physical Sacrifice', not 'a symbolical one'. ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on September 30, 2021, 04:22:PM
'I think' that 'Madeleine McCann' was brought to Portugal by her parents and some of their friends to partake as a symbolic sacrifice during the 'Walpurgus nacht' festivities and celebrations, but that somewhere between the evening of 30th April and the 1st May 2007, that something took place, which was not supposed to happen which culminated in the sexual abuse, and termination of her life by way of a 'physical Sacrifice', not 'a symbolical one'. ..

I think its a nailed on certainty that those in the know regarding why and what 'Madeleine McCann' was brought to Portugal for, that the parents knew that their daughter would be held over until sometime on wednesday 2nd May 2007 ('unarmed') hence why along with others who had the knowledge of the festivities and the intended participation of 'Madeleine' in them. It comes as no surprise to me, to have identified, 'the church in Praia De Luz'[ 5 Ave Dos Pescadores], 'the significance of the location of the derelict building' [5 Ave dos Pescadores], 'Chaplins Bar', ' the forte restaurant' [1a Ave Dos Pescadores], 'the view point'[at the lower end of Ave Dos Pescadores], 'the surrounding coastline which circulates these buldings' and 'locations'[ including 'the pharmacy' on 'Ave Dos Pescadores', and 'the Black bull pub' and 'all wasteland', 'water drainage and sewage manhole covers' situated in what I shall refer to as 'the demonic' /'Satinic', 'golden triangle'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 02, 2021, 11:39:AM
' the forte restaurant' [1a Ave Dos Pescadores] -

...in this particular area, two different types of tunnelling beneath some, or all of these manhole covers. For example, once you lifted a man hole cover, initial access to below ground, was primarly vertical to a point below ground surface where in most intances it connected to or with an partially horizontal tunnel which fed any input of rain / domestic water, to the sea.

All such pipes or tunnels were merged together (underground) and emptied the contents in a single and very large concrete tunnel at the the sea wall adjacent to 'the view point'. It is possible for someone to walk inside this 'rain' / 'domestic  pipe' or 'tunnel'. I took the opportunity of entering 'this pipe/tunnel' and I journeyed into it, for about 50 metres or so [more or less] but turned back to the entry hole on the sea wall side of 'the view point'. At this junctureI examined the sand and rock surfaces between the tunnels entrance, examining the weeds, grass, and other wild plants, to see if there had been any deviation in the growth rate of any or all of these plants. For the record, I did not see anything which might have caused me to believe or to suspect that body parts, or dismembered parts of any human remains had been disposed of by way of this drainage system which was separated from the sea itself, by sand, and rock. If something like that had occurred, and any remains had been disposed of by this method  would have been alerted, but since tbere was no cause for concern, I disregarded this particular method of disposing of a body, or for that matter, any dismembered parts of a human body..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 02, 2021, 11:48:AM
It is worth knowing, that in June 2010 when I visited the Algarve village of Praia De Luz, that the 'Golden Triangle' either had been previously, and or was  currently areas of waste land where building work or maintenance had or was still occurring. Also, that there were sewage and or alternatively rain/domestic manhole covers located / situated in the street (Ave Dos Pescadores) and concealed in some extraordinary places. As far as I could tell, there were / are / is in this particular area, two different types of tunnelling beneath some of all of these manhole covers. For example, once you lifted a man hole cover, initial access to below ground, was primarly vertical to a point below ground surface where in most intances it connected to or with an partially horizontal tunnel which fed any input of rain / domestic water, to the sea. However, there were manhole covers, beneath which were vertical, or slightly offset (one way or another) pipes or tunnels which / or that dropped down below ground level vertically [..'ish'] into the sea...
Mike my understanding is that the Golden Triangle is the area around Faro, which does not include Praia da Luz. Are you suggesting that Christian B. or others disposed of Madeleine's body within hours of her abduction? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=algarve+golden+triangle+map&sxsrf=AOaemvKN9PjUNa3OIp3bKOr5IrqJuGt7yw%3A1633170569913&source=hp&ei=iTRYYcOJNLWr5NoP68qpgAw&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYVhCmQllyZPthmwZvxhwVcO2agOBT57_&oq=algarve+golden+triangle+map&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgkIABDJAxAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoECCMQJzoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QM6CAgAEIAEELEDOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQowI6CAguELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToICC4QgAQQsQM6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxCTAjoFCC4QgAQ6BwgAELEDEAo6CAgAELEDEIMBOgcILhCxAxAKOgQIABAKOgwIABCxAxAKEEYQ-QE6BwgAEIAEEAo6BwgjEOoCECc6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEK8BOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6DgguEIAEEMcBEK8BEJMCOggIABCABBDJAzoHCAAQyQMQCjoICAAQFhAKEB5Q3wdYt9w6YNbwOmgJcAB4AIABnwKIAfEfkgEGMi4yOS4xmAEAoAEBsAEK&sclient=gws-wiz
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2021, 12:13:PM
There may be different and contentious belief in an area considered or referred to by them, or those, as 'their golden triangle', which 'does not' or 'cannot be a reference to the same place', by 'another'...

My reference to ' the golden triangle' is significant to me, and what I have attempted to perceive involving information, or as the case maybe, evidence given or supplied by others (as part of their version of the truth)..

'The all important' Golden Triangle'..

Within the area designated by the inserted 'Golden Triangle' will be found, either the body, clothing, scientific evidence, which will lead to the case of 'Madeliene McCanns' demise being 'satisfactorily ressolved'..

The area in question is situated between the borders of each building, and wasteland, road works, maintenance works, which were taking place in the Algarve village of Praia de Luz, around the time of 'Madeleine McCann’s disappearance' between 30th April and 3rd May 2007..

The Metropolitan police, Portuguese police, and the German authorities, have all agreed to do searches, in and around the 'Golden Triangle' (which I have highlighted) within the coming days/weeks...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2021, 03:35:PM
On the other hand...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2021, 10:47:PM
In addition, to procedures spoken about by me in the past concerning what I have and do term, as - 'the ghost of Maddie' photograph, taken by myself (June 2010) in the solitary front facing bedroom inside the derelict building. Another discovery of mine, at the back left hand side of the garden of  what I believe to be a shallow grave where the remains of the victims body was subsequently interned..

I also discovered a piece of human bone, found close by in the same rear garden of the said derelict building ('5 Ave Dos Pescadores')...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 03, 2021, 10:56:PM

I also discovered a piece of human bone, found close by in the same rear garden of the said derelict building ('5 Ave Dos Pescadores')...

The composition of the human bone I found, if linked to the so called disappearence of 'Madeliene McCann' it may prove to be evidence that parents and accomplices are heading for a confrontation - 'their goose has been cooked' (so to speak)..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2021, 10:32:AM
The attendance of the 'McCann parents' along with some of their friends, at Chaplins bar on the evening of 1st May 2007, together with the reported /recorded account given by 'Mrs Fenn'; the 'faked creche logs' covering  [the] all important three days between `1st` and `3rd May 2007`; conflicting accounts between what each member of the so called 'tapas 9' team; 'time line' inconsistencies; the 'regular naming of different suspects' , who were for one reason or another later (supposedly) 'cleared of any involvement' or 'blame' [including the likes of the parents, Murat, Malinka, etc, etc, etc] tells a story in itself....

What we are dealing with here, and have been dealing with, is a situation/event involving a deliberate intent to generate, invent and or to create elements of confusion, ambiguous facts, secrecy, and manipulation, by all those directly or indirectly involved in this matter, from start to finish..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2021, 01:58:PM
I am as certain as I can be, that whatever took place, or transpired regarding the false allegation that 'Madeleine McCann' was abducted sometime between when 'Gerald McCann' completed his 9.05pm check of apartment 5A, and the 10.00pm check made by his wife, 'Kate McCann' on the evening of Wednesday the 3rd  May 2007, did not happen or occur as told by the 'McCann parents', and 'others', but rather, that whatever took place had happenned as long ago as the 29th April to the 1st May 2007. With this in mind, 'How could' Madeleine McCann' have participated in any creche activities, or been present inside the McCann Apartment on any occasion on or after midnight on the '29th April' to 'midnight on the '1st May 2007', onwards..

Madeleine is dead, the practising satanists, the parents, and many others know this or that to be true...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 04, 2021, 10:12:PM
This [yellow triangle] is an area which police must focus their attention on in their efforts to find out what really did happen to 'Madeleine McCann'..

Bull public house
ATM
Pharmacy ***
Derelict Building ***
Church
Chaplins bar
Fort ***


Examine all vertical drains most of which are on the sea (side) of  the rear garden walls belonging to premises and properties marked with *** (above). For example, all vertical drains are located on a concrete plynth which is about 15/18 inches in width and provide difficulty accessing them [whilst present in Praia de Luz in June 2007] I walked along and back on this ledge, and discovered four verticle drains located on it, each with a cast iron manhole cover on them. One such manhole cover, is situated on this ledge directly behind the derelict buildings  (5 Ave Dos Pescadores) rear garden sea wall, which incidently houses the shallow grave on the garden side of that wall. What I found strange was that between the shallow grave and the rear gardens sea wall, someone had laid out a series of large stones which I thought at the time were markers which someone had deliberately positioned them there ceremoniously. Directly over the sea wall where this trail of stones ended, was a small drop  to, a concrete ledge (as already described) and one of the four vertical drains with an iron manhole cover. Also, nearby on the ledge was what appeared to be a gentlemans wrist watch, which somebody unwittingly had lost while present on the ledge in that area at some time or other. I photographed the watch and retained possession of it. I also took photographs of the other three verticle manholes all covered by iron manhole covers. I also managed to take a look over the sea wall into what would have been 'the rear garden of the forte' and saw that building work had and was taking place there...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 09, 2021, 04:13:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/09/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-100pc-certain-have-killer-custody/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 09, 2021, 04:25:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/09/madeleine-mccann-prosecutors-100pc-certain-have-killer-custody/

Mr Wolters now says they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking 44-year-old Brueckner to the alleged murder.

In a direct message to the McCanns he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.


'There is no hope she is alive'
“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”

Mr Wolters defended his decision not to show the McCanns the evidence that leads his team to believe Madeleine is dead, saying: “If I did ... it is very possible that they would then no longer have any hope.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 09, 2021, 10:00:PM
'Madeleine' is dead...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on October 15, 2021, 08:12:AM
The activities of both 'McCann parents, leading up to, around and after their daughters disappearence narrative, appears to show tentative links between themselves, and various suspicious activities involving a number of' time-line suspects', and 'places of interest' which began from as early as the 29th April 2007, through to a month or so, after their daughters disappearence alerted to on the evening of 3rd May 2007...

How strange, that on a daily basis, one or other, or both parents would go jogging in the area where 'Chistian Brueckner' was dossing in a detached property inside of which is duplicated the condition found at the derelict building [ 5 'Ave Dos Pescadores] next to the church, where the parents themselves took refuge in the days and weeks of their duaghters demise came to the fore...



Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2021, 12:40:AM
As a result of more research carried out by me, I can honestly and wholeheartedly reveal that with 100% certainty, that 'Gerald McCann' and 'David Payne' lie at the heart of the disappearence of 'Madeleine McCann'. The reasons which causes me to beleive this, concerns the claim that at about 6.00pm on the 3rd May 2007, 'David Payne' was with 'Gerald McCann' at the tennis court, when 'David Payne' told 'Gerald McCann' that he was going to the 'McCann apartment (5A) to check on 'Kate' and 'children'. 'Gerald McCann'  set out to confirm that 'David Payne' did attend the tennis court at around the stated time (6.00pm). 'David Payne' contended that he went directly to the 'McCann' apartment, entered and that he saw 'Kate McCann' and 'all three of the 'McCann' children, confirming in his own words that 'Madeleine McCann' was 'alive' and 'well' on the evening of the ' 3rd May 2007'

However, 'CCTV footage at a beach restuarant [3rd May 2007] show that' David Payne' and 'other members of the group' (along with their children) were eating together there, and that they did not leave there until around 6.30pm. The 'McCann parents' , and 'any of their children' were 'all not present' on this occasion -' Kate had been jogging' out in 'Brueckner territory' mid afternoon [onward] and 'had returned to the Ocean Club' to find 'her husband' already having something to eat (5.30pm) 'with the children'. By 6.00pm 'Gerald McCann' was allegedly, at the tennis court meeting 'David Payne' enacting the script in order 'for him to be able to say that he was the last person' [other than the parents] to see 'Madeleine', 'alive' and 'well' inside apartment 5A on the evening of '3rd May 2007'. Unfortunately, 'Kate McCann' did 'not verify' that 'David Payne' had entered '5A' that 'evening' , at all, only that 'he had called at the' McCann' apartment, 'in keeping with her husbands' and 'David Paynes' accounts about 'the visit to 5A', at around '6.00pm'.

The bottom line is, that 'David Payne' did not attend the tennis court at 6.00pm or speak to 'Gerald McCann', or 'enter' the 'McCann' apartment. He could not have seen 'Madeleine McCann', 'alive' and 'well'. This is because, by 'reference to restuarant CCTV footage', 'he' and 'the others' did not leave there until 6.30pm, and 'it was a 15 - 20 minute walk away' from the 'Ocean Club', 'tennis court', or 'apartment 5A'..

These facts, 'establish beyond doubt' that the 'McCanns' and 'other key members' of the so called 'tapas 9 group' have all been supporting 'a false narrative' which sought and seeks to maintain that 'Madeleine McCann' was 'alive' and 'well' on 'the evening of the 3rd May 1985' when in actual fact, 'She', ' was not'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 02, 2021, 09:07:PM
I'm still unclear as to how Madeleine died, given your scenario. Did she sustain an accident in the apartment as propounded by Goncalo Amaral?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2021, 10:05:PM
I'm still unclear as to how Madeleine died, given your scenario. Did she sustain an accident in the apartment as propounded by Goncalo Amaral?

'No', 'she did not die in the apartment' -' her remains' and 'the clothing worn by her', and 'a holdall that was used' to 'return', and 'dispose of such item's' - to the 'McCann parents'[bedroom cupboard/blood behind sofa in living room of apartment] and 'a secondary burial'/'disposal site' of 'link evidence' [ using 'hire car'], does not cause me to doubt, that the physical remains of her body, were and are still buried at the site of the shallow grave, in `the rear garden` of the derelict building [`5 Ave Dos Pescadores`]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 02, 2021, 11:21:PM
The fact that ['search and find'] dogs 'alerted to the presence of blood'/'cadaveric scent', in 'apartment 5A', (and) 'the renault scenic hire car' and 'on' (by reliance upon 'elements of basic deduction') 'clothing belonging' to 'the parents', does `not' [in my view] 'actually mean' , or 'prove' that 'the physical remains' of 'Madeleine McCanns' corpse, was/were 'in the bedroom apartment'? [5A] or 'transported' elsewhere, by 'use of the hire car' from 'the original disposal' /'burial location'. In 'point of fact', but 'the concealment' of 'items of evidential value' that 'were part' of 'the faked abduction' [ script] , were 'almost certainly applicable' ..

'Both parents', know that 'their daughter' [Madeleine] is dead' - the way 'I now see' the 'unfolding drama', is that, 'prior' to 'the tapas 9 group' leaving the 'UK'  that, both 'David Payne' and 'Gerald McCann' believed that 'Madeleine' was going to be 'a symbolic sacrifice' in  a  'demonic offering' linked to the festivities, relating to 'Walpurgus Nacht', celebrations.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 03, 2021, 12:50:PM

'Both parents', know that 'their daughter' [Madeleine] is dead' - the way 'I now see' the 'unfolding drama', is that, 'prior' to 'the tapas 9 group' leaving the 'UK'  that, both 'David Payne' and 'Gerald McCann' believed that 'Madeleine' was going to be 'a symbolic sacrifice' in  a  'demonic offering' linked to the festivities, relating to 'Walpurgus Nacht', celebrations.
Hence, why 'Kate McCann' had a foreboding before they embarked on the holiday break to 'Portugal'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 03, 2021, 01:01:PM
'Jane Tanners' input regarding her passing 'Gerald McCann' and 'Jez Wilkes' on the same side of the street, and 'her' then having seen the faceless man carrying a small child in his arms walking away from the general location of the roadside door and carpark beside the 'McCann apartment' were introduced with the intention of misleading the 'PJ' and the general public at large...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 03, 2021, 01:37:PM
'Jane Tanners' input regarding her passing 'Gerald McCann' and 'Jez Wilkes' on the same side of the street, and 'her' then having seen the faceless man carrying a small child in his arms walking away from the general location of the roadside door and carpark beside the 'McCann apartment' were introduced with the intention of misleading the 'PJ' and the general public at large...

Bearing in mind, that in 'June 2010' I visited 'the Ocean Club' and I spent a lot of time in close proximity to the 'McCann' apartment, and in the vacinity around 'block 5' [where the 'McCann apartment (5A) was situated], 'block 4', 'block 3', and 'block 6' [where my apartment (6A) was located] and that 'I walked on the pavement on either side of the street' where 'Gerald McCann' and 'Jez Wilkes' met at around '9.10pm' on 'the evening of the 3rd May 2007'. I cannot beleive that if 'Jane Tanner' had seen both men in that street, and she had walked past them both on the pavement in the vacinity of the gate which gives 'access to apartment 5A', that neither one of them saw her. Consider for one moment, 'two men on the pavement' near 'to the gate which afforded access' and 'exit' to the 'McCann' appartment', both men facing one another, with a pushchair also parked up. Each man would have an 180° view of the surounding area, depending upon where they were stood.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 03, 2021, 09:45:PM
I don't think many people will accept the Walpurgis Night or devil sacrifice theory or whatever you're getting at. I might at a stretch believe Gerry discovered Madeleine dead in the apartment and removed the body in the holdall, but if he did do this the McCann's have since gone to great lengths to cover up.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 04, 2021, 11:44:AM
I don't think many people will accept the Walpurgis Night or devil sacrifice theory or whatever you're getting at. I might at a stretch believe Gerry discovered Madeleine dead in the apartment and removed the body in the holdall, but if he did do this the McCann's have since gone to great lengths to cover up.

Do not easily dismiss the suggestion that 'Madeleine' became 'a child sacrifice' on the very same night that 'she really went missing' [1st May 2007] - the 'McCann parents' both know the true circumstances behind 'the alledged abduction script' that 'they faked' from '10pm' on 'the evening' of '3rd May 2007', onward [the simple truth in the matter, was that 'Madeleine' was 'not returned to them, after the ' Walpurgus nacht', 'festivities', 'celebrations', 'sacraficial offerrings']. As far as the 'McCann parents' were 'concerned', 'Madeleine' would be in 'safe hands' when they left the 'Ocean club` [tapas restuarant] at around' 10pm' on '1st May 2007' , and' went with some of their freinds' for drinks to 'Chaplins bar'. I undersand, that on that occasion, that 'David Payne' did not go with the 'McCann' couple, and 'the others', on an extended drink binge at 'Chaplins bar' He 'returned to apartment block 5' to await the arrival of a female [Who had offerred to do a check on the 'McCann kids', during the remainder of the extended late  night revelling. In my opinion, 'David Payne' was 'present' inside' apartment '5A' between 10.30 - 11.45pm, on the evening of '1st May 2007' , which coincides with the bout(s) of persistant 'yelling' and 'crying', as observed, by 'Mrs Fenn', during the same period. I beleive that 'during that time frame' spoken about , that 'the female' who had 'volunteered to keep a check' on the 'McCann kids', was 'also present', and that 'the crying of the child', as 'observed by Mrs Fenn' came about because 'Madeleine' was being 'sexually abused' and 'tortured' inside 'the apartment' beneath 'Mrs Fenns' residence!  It seems somewhat obvious to me, that 'as a result of her treatment' at 'the hands of her attackers', that the 'ceasation of crying' at around '11.45pm', which according to 'Mrs Fenns' account, 'ceased' when 'she' (mistakenly) 'thought', that it was the 'McCann parents', who 'had returned' to the apartment ['5A'] after a short visit to 'Chaplins bar', recounting in 'her version' of events, 'accompanied by the sound of the poolside' patio door 'being slid open' at 'the apartment below'.I beleive that 'it was just as possible', for 'someone within' apartment '5A' to have 'slid open the patio door from the inside', prior to the couple with 'Madeleine' (in tow), before leaving the apartment [possibly long, long before the 'McCann parents' returned from their 'Chaplins bar' forage...

However, 'the sound of a couples voices', that 'Mrs Fenn', 'overheard' [at around 11.45pm], did 'not belong' to 'each of' the 'McCann parents', 'arriving back' from 'their visit' to 'Chaplins bar' [instead the voices ('she heard') were those of 'the male' and' female' assailents] - I strongly suspect, that what 'Mrs Fenn' witnessed throughout that `one and a half hour period`, was 'a series of' very traumatic', 'sexual assaults', and 'torture', culminating in either 'the suffocation', or 'drug inducement' sedative', and then 'the leaving of the apartment' via 'the poolside patio door', taking with them 'the body of the victim' ['Madeleine McCann']..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 04, 2021, 12:31:PM
Making up of the story by 'David Payne' regarding 'himself having visted' and 'entered' the 'McCann apartment' at around 6.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, when he 'falsely claimed' to have 'seen all three' of the 'McCann kids', 'alive' and 'well' was 'contrived to deal' with 'any scientific evidence' which 'might surface' in 'any police investigation' into 'the disappearence' that might 'implicate him in the matter'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 04, 2021, 05:19:PM

It seems somewhat obvious to me, that 'as a result of her treatment' at 'the hands of her attackers' that the 'ceasation of crying' at around '11.45pm', which according to 'Mrs Fenns' account, 'ceased' when 'she' (mistakenly) 'thought' that it was the 'McCann parents' who 'had returned' to the apartment ['5A'] after a short visit to 'Chaplins bar', recounting in 'her own version' of events, 'accompanied by the sound of the poolside' patio door' being slid open' at 'the apartment below'.I beleive that it was just as possible, for someone within apartment '5A' to have 'slid open the patio door from the inside', prior to the couple with 'Madeleine' in tow, 'leaving the apartment' [possibly long, long before the 'McCann parents' returned from their 'Chaplins bar' forage] ...

However, 'the sound of a couples voice(s)', that 'Mrs Fenn', 'overheard' [at around 11.45pm], did 'not belong' to 'each of' the 'McCann parents', 'arriving back' from 'their visit' to 'Chaplins bar' [instead the voices ('she heard') were 'those' of 'the male' and' female' assailents] - I strongly suspect, that what 'Mrs Fenn' witnessed throughout that `one and a half hour period`, was 'a series of', 'very traumatic', 'sexual assaults', and 'torture', culminating in either 'the suffocation', or the administering of a 'drug inducement' sedative', and then 'the leaving of the apartment' via 'the poolside patio door', 'taking with them', 'the body of the victim' ['Madeleine McCann']..

'Mrs Fenn' was adamant that 'the prolonged crying of a child' came from 'the apartment below hers' in 'block 5' [the 'McCann' apartment]. If it had been the 'McCann parents' returning 'back to their apartment' at '11.45pm' , on the evening of their 'Chaplins bar' adventure, then 'they surely would have mentioned it' as 'one recent occasion' of 'them' returning to '5A' and having heard 'Madeleine', 'crying', 'hysterically' , on 'that occasion'. But the only thing the 'McCann parents' have 'ever mentioned' regarding any 'crying episode', was 'at breakfast time on the morning of 3rd May 2007' when they claim that 'Madeleine' had 'asked her parents', why 'they had not come' to tend 'to herself' and 'Sean' when 'she' [they] was [were] crying' last 'evening' / 'night' ['evening'/'nightime' and 'morning' of '2nd /3rd', of 'May 2007'? To all intents, and purposes, 'Madeleine' never 'raised the incident any further' during 'the 3rd of May 2007' - [well, the reason for this, was because 'Madeleine went missing' two days earlier]. The parents introduced this script in order to give support to the idea that 'Madeleine' was 'alive' and well', 'throughout' the '3rd May 2007', until '9.05pm', when 'Gerald McCann' supposedly 'did a check of apartment 5A' and 'he saw her ['Madeleine'] asleep on her bed'.

Also 'bear in mind' that during the night (2nd May 2007) - morning (3rd May 2007) 'Kate McCann' had 'slept in a second bed', 'inside the childrens bedroom' on the pretense that 'Gerald McCann' had 'a bad snoring habit'. But, 'if the truth be known', the reason that 'Kate' slept 'in the kids bedroom' that night, was 'because she was extremely upset' about 'Madeleine McCanns' absence', which, by 'that stage' was 'a day long period', and that 'in their effort to get their daughter back safely', 'her husband' had spent 'a considerable amount of time chatting to the female member' of 'the Ocean Club' (staff) who 'on the previous evening' [1st May 2007] had agreed to 'check on' the 'McCann kids' back 'in apartment', '5A'. Whilst the 'McCann parents' and 'some of their freinds' were visiting 'Chaplins bar'. The 'female' who is alleged to have been 'the good samaritan' was 'non other' than 'Elizabeth Anne Pennington'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 04, 2021, 08:38:PM
'Mrs Fenn' was adamant that 'the prolonged crying of a child' came from 'the apartment below hers' in 'block 5' [the 'McCann' apartment]. If it had been the 'McCann parents' returning 'back to their apartment' at '11.45pm' , on the evening of their 'Chaplins bar' adventure, then 'they surely would have mentioned it' as 'one recent occasion' of 'them' returning to '5A' and having heard 'Madeleine', 'crying', 'hysterically' , on 'that occasion'. But the only thing the 'McCann parents' have 'ever mentioned' regarding any 'crying episode', was 'at breakfast time on the morning of 3rd May 2007' when they claim that 'Madeleine' had 'asked her parents', why 'they had not come' to tend 'to herself' and 'Sean' when 'she' [they] was [were] crying' last 'evening' / 'night' ['evening'/'nightime' and 'morning' of '2nd /3rd', of 'May 2007'? To all intents, and purposes, 'Madeleine' never 'raised the incident any further' during 'the 3rd of May 2007' - [well, the reason for this, was because 'Madeleine went missing' two days earlier]. The parents introduced this script in order to give support to the idea that 'Madeleine' was 'alive' and well', 'throughout' the '3rd May 2007', until '9.05pm', when 'Gerald McCann' supposedly 'did a check of apartment 5A' and 'he saw her ['Madeleine'] asleep on her bed'.

Also 'bear in mind' that during the night (2nd May 2007) - morning (3rd May 2007) 'Kate McCann' had 'slept in a second bed', 'inside the childrens bedroom' on the pretense that 'Gerald McCann' had 'a bad snoring habit'. But, 'if the truth be known', the reason that 'Kate' slept 'in the kids bedroom' that night, was 'because she was extremely upset' about 'Madeleine McCanns' absence', which, by 'that stage' was 'a day long period', and that 'in their effort to get their daughter back safely', 'her husband' had spent 'a considerable amount of time chatting to the female member' of 'the Ocean Club' (staff) who 'on the previous evening' [1st May 2007] had agreed to 'check on' the 'McCann kids' back 'in apartment', '5A'. Whilst the 'McCann parents' and 'some of their freinds' were visiting 'Chaplins bar'. The 'female' who is alleged to have been 'the good samaritan' was 'non other' than 'Elizabeth Anne Pennington'..

'Kate McCann', felt 'embarrassed' by 'her husbands', 'attitude' and 'his behaviour' towards 'Pennington'  and 'returned to the family apartment' waiting in anticipation for 'the hoped for', 'return of their daughter'.

It is 'my belief', that during the first two days [evening of 1st, to the evening of 3rd May 2007] of 'Madeleines' ordeal, that period was 'the worst experience' for 'the parents', in the entire episode, but by the evening of the 3rd May 2007,  'both were aware' that 'Madeleine' wouldn't be 'coming back to the family' because, 'she was [' is'] dead'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 06, 2021, 04:47:PM
I am 100% certain, that the 'McCann parents' know, that their daughter ['Madeleine] is deceased..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 06, 2021, 04:54:PM
I am 100% certain, that the 'McCann parents' know, that their daughter ['Madeleine] is deceased..

I am hopeful, that 'Madeleine McCanns' mother, will  'crack under the convincing proof' that 'She' [`Madeleine'] , went missing, 'two days' before 'that reported' on evening of '3rd May 2007'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 06, 2021, 05:15:PM
I am hopeful, that 'Madeleine McCanns' mother, will  'crack under the convincing proof' that 'She' [`Madeleine'] , went missing, 'two days' before 'that reported' on evening of '3rd May 2007'..

This is because, 'Madeleine' was not present inside apartment 5A, at any time between 11.45pm, on the 1st May 2007, and 10.00pm, on the evening, of 3rd May, 10.00pm ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 11, 2021, 07:23:PM
This is because, 'Madeleine' was not present inside apartment 5A, at any time between 11.45pm, on the 1st May 2007, and 10.00pm, on the evening, of 3rd May, 10.00pm ..

But, 'items of clothing' , and 'a holdall' in which 'Madeleine McCanns' body / remains, were 'subsequently transported in' during 'the period of destroying items' of 'evidential value'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 12, 2021, 10:10:PM
I am obliged to mention, that comments allegedly made  by 'Madeleine' McCann' at breakfast time, on 'the morning of the 3rd May 2007' , were actually, what 'Madeleine told them' at 'breakfast time', on  'the morning' of the '1st May 2007'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 12, 2021, 11:16:PM
If it had been the 'McCann parents' returning 'back to their apartment' at '11.45pm' , on the evening of their 'Chaplins bar' adventure, then 'they surely would have mentioned it' as 'one recent occasion' of 'them' returning to '5A' and having heard 'Madeleine', 'crying', 'hysterically' , on 'the spoken of about occasion'. But the only thing the 'McCann parents' have 'ever mentioned' regarding any 'crying episode', was 'at breakfast time on the morning of 3rd May 2007' when they claim that 'Madeleine' had 'asked her parents', why 'they had not come' to tend 'to herself' and 'Sean' when 'she' [they] was [were] crying' last 'evening' / 'night' ['evening'/'nightime' and 'morning' of '2nd /3rd', of 'May 2007'? To all intents, and purposes, 'Madeleine' never 'raised the incident any further' during 'the 3rd of May 2007' - [well, the reason for this, was because 'Madeleine went missing' two days earlier]. The parents introduced this script in order to give support to the idea that 'Madeleine' was 'alive' and well', 'throughout' the '3rd May 2007', until '9.05pm', when 'Gerald McCann' supposedly 'did a check of apartment 5A' and 'he saw her ['Madeleine'] asleep on her bed'.

Also 'bear in mind' that during the night (2nd May 2007) - morning (3rd May 2007) 'Kate McCann' had 'slept in a second bed', 'inside the childrens bedroom' on the pretense that 'Gerald McCann' had 'a bad snoring habit'. But, 'if the truth be known', the reason that 'Kate' slept 'in the kids bedroom' that night, was 'because she was extremely upset' about the fact of 'Madeleine McCanns' absence', which, by 'that stage' was 'a day long period', and that 'in their effort to get their daughter back safely', 'her husband' had spent 'a considerable amount of time chatting to the female member' of 'the Ocean Club' (staff) who 'on the previous evening' [1st May 2007] had agreed to 'check on' the 'McCann kids' back 'in apartment', '5A'. Whilst the 'McCann parents' and 'some of their freinds' were visiting 'Chaplins bar'. The 'female' who is alleged to have been 'the good samaritan' was 'non other' than 'Elizabeth Anne Pennington'..

At this juncture, compare what 'Mrs Fenn', had said regarding 'a toddler crying' continuously ubetween 10.30 and 11.45pm on the late evening of the 1st May 2007, as opposed to what both parent introduced in to their script by declaring that 'Madeleine' and 'Sean' had been 'crying' on 'the evening of' the '2nd May 2007'. If both accounts were / are true, then this throws into the equasion 'the honesty' and 'integrity' of 'Mrs Fenns' version of 'events', versus the ycCann' (parents) 'version of  the events'. The 'fact' that 'Mrs Fenn' insisted 'it was only' a 'toddler crying` on the evening of 1st May 2007 (between around 10.30pm and 11.45pm), and (not) 'two different children [one a toddler' and 'the other', 'an infant', as 'allegedly recounted' to 'them' by 'Madeleine' at 'breakfast time' on 'the morning' of the '3rd May 2007'?

Everything points to 'both', 'McCann parents' having 'moved the occasion they claimed 'Madeleine' had 'complained to them' from 'a possible crying' [in a distressed manner], on the evening of `1st May 2007`, to the morning of the '3rd May 2007..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 14, 2021, 06:12:AM

Everything points to 'both', 'McCann parents' having 'moved the occasion they claimed 'Madeleine' had 'complained to them' from 'a possible crying' [in a distressed manner], on the evening of `1st May 2007`, to the morning of the '3rd May 2007..

It is my belief, that' Madeleine' hadn't complained to her parents at all, just that the 'McCanns' introduced the incident spoken about as though it somehow proved that their daughter was still alive at breakfast time, on the morning of her alleged abduction, and to try to discredit 'Mrs Fenns account of a toddler crying persistently in the' McCann' apartment (below) for a period of one hour and 15 minutes, on evening of 1st May 2007...

Whilst ever, 'the McCanns', 'their friends', 'the [Portuguese, Uk, and German] police` continue to investigate the disappearence of 'Madeleine Mccann' as occurring between, 9.05pm and 10.00pm, on 'the evening of the 3rd May 2007', there will never be  any resolution, because 'Madeleine' was not taken from apartment 5A, by anyone, on that date, or time. As such, how can anybody be successfully 'arrested', 'prosecuted', or 'convicted' and 'sentenced', for abducting 'her' on that date, during the said 'timeframe'?

There is no solid evidence to prove that 'Madeleine McCann' was present, alive, and well, inside apartment 5A, after 11.45pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007. We only have, the word of the parents, of their colleagues, and dodgy Ocean club, employees, to rely on. What actually took place, happenned 'two days earlier', and 'involved the corporation' of a large crowd of people, who 'are 'affiliated' to, or who are persons that receive some kind of benefit in exchange, for them, or those [who come forward, or who offer / 'support the fake narrative']. Forget that 'Madeleine' went missing on '3rd May 2007' during 'the period 9.05pm' and '10.00 pm'. Since, all that 'is true', is that the ' McCanns', and 'their friends' chose that particular moment(s) in time, to report the disappearence  of 'Madeleine'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 14, 2021, 06:31:AM
Forget that 'Madeleine' went missing on '3rd May 2007' during 'the period 9.05pm' and '10.00 pm'. Since, all that 'is true', is that the ' McCanns', and 'their friends' chose that particular moment(s) in time, to report the disappearence  of 'Madeleine'..
Please, bear in mind the following...

  Gerald McCann  - If 'Madeleine' had 'died during some sort of an accident', and 'we had concealed her body during a disposable moment', 'How', 'When', did we do it?

Kate 'McCann' - 'the first couple of days' , were 'the worst part of the ordeal' [period '1st of May' - '3rd May 2007', or ' 3rd May' to 5th May 2007']?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2021, 09:09:AM
Whatever had been prior arranged, involving some activity or other for 'Madeleine' during the family visit to Praia de Luz, Portugal, appears to have been 'a cause for concern' , for 'both of the parents'. I invite you to take into account, 'the forboding', 'troublesome' and 'a very worrying belief' that 'Kate McCann' had prior to them leaving the UK, to fly out to begin their holiday. She clearly thought that something bad was potentially going to occur during the family holiday. Added to this, was 'Gerald McCanns' demeanour and his behaviour during a bus ride from the plane, to the main arrival lounge at the airport - 'something was bothering him'. At one stage during the transfer on the bus, one of his friends said to him 'cheer up Gerry', 'Your supposed to be on holiday' to which 'Gerald McCann' responded, by saying 'FUCK OFF'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2021, 09:22:AM
Added to this, was 'Gerald McCanns' demeanour and his behaviour during a bus ride from the plane, to the main arrival lounge at the airport - 'something was bothering him'. At one stage during the transfer on the bus, one of his friends said to him 'cheer up Gerry', 'Your supposed to be on holiday' to which 'Gerald McCann' responded, by saying 'FUCK OFF'..

Within a day, or so, of their arrival at the Ocean Club resort, at Praia de Luz, the 'McCann parents' and their three children did not go to the resorts restuarant for breakfast, but instead chose to stay at their apartment [ with their kids] and cook their own food, whilst other members of their group [with children], did..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2021, 09:34:AM
It was / is very strange, that neither of the 'McCann parents', took part in the searches by other people trying to find 'Madeleine' locally, during the [hours] the 'days' and coming 'weeks', 'months' and as it has 'now turned out' to become 'years' and up 'to the present time', we are 'moving towards just over two decades, without,' one' or 'other parent' getting their hands dirty as a result of them doing physical seaches of local wasteland...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 15, 2021, 09:38:AM
And, then of course, there was the vivid dream which 'Kate McCann' had - as alluded to here-
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2021, 08:23:AM
Please allow me to put the following information to you all. To start with, please be reassured that once 'Madeleine' disappeared on the 1st May 2007" that come mid morning on the 2nd May, the 'McCann parents' were in contact with the person [or persons] who had got her. This person  was intending to blackmail the parents for the safe return of their daughter, stipulating that if the parents refused to hand over the fee demanded [ the requested fee for the safe return was 600,000 Euros. During the first couple of days after their daughters 'non return', they made contact with 'Gerald McCann' via mobile phone technology, and 'the identity of Ocean Club members of staff' who were 'an integral part' of a well planned 'satanic', 'religeous', 'peadophile' ring. Some evidence was gleaned by investigating officers, that some members of the so called 'tapas 9 group' had been joining 'peodophile', 'wife swapping', and 'no strings attached', sexual encounters'..

I heard through the grapevine that the 'McCann parents'  had 'their holiday paid for them', by `David Payne'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2021, 10:18:AM
'In turn, there exist tentative links' between each and all 'members' of the 'tapas 9 group' [ including each 'McCann parent'] 'to' and 'with' , the 'variously named suspects' at 'one time' or 'another'. I liken it, to 'an active criminal' of 'well reknown', who 'knows all the other 'active criminals', 'operating in the towns' and 'cities' , in 'nearby' or 'far away places'.

If your 'a collector' or 'you are interested' in 'certain' or 'specific items of interest', services', (that you might) in order to 'expand your likeability' and 'interests' further..

'Gerald McCann' for example, knew 'Robert Murat' prior to the so called holiday break to Portugal at the back end of `April 2007. In turn, 'Robert Murat' (a property developer) had dealings with 'Sergey Malinka' (computer expert). Then 'there is' /'are members of the Ocean club staff' - 'Child Care operatives', 'maintenence men', 'gardeners', 'cleaners', 'drivers', not to mention 'the involvement of high flying' and 'the not so high flying 'Politicians, 'Priests', 'Governments', and other 'underworld characters' of 'good' and 'ill repute', 'sex offenders' and the rest of all those affiliated to the cause...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2021, 10:43:AM
There was / is an obvious link between 'Robert Murat' (property developer) and the latest suspect 'Christian B' (sex offender, burglar, drug dealor, rapist, murderer, etc, etc, etc) Since, 'Christian B' had a propensity to live rent free in various derelict buldings in and around the region where 'Madeleine McCann' vanished from, for example, the role that was played by the use of the derelict building [No. 5 'ave dos pescadores') 'church' and 'Chaplins bar'. This particular 'run down derelict building' had originally been 'built' and 'owned' by a distant relative of 'Robert Murat'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2021, 11:38:AM
The following sequence of occurences / events can lead to some form of resolution in / to the matter...

[1] The date the McCanns took possession of the rental car

[2] The date and time of 'Kate McCanns' vivid dream of the location where police would find the body, request to search area with dogsi

[3] Location of Christian B's derelict building at time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence [1st - 3rd May 2007]

[4]'Gerald McCanns' absence taking rented car  [on date that 'Kate` had' vivid dream]

[5] Daily jogging routes, taken by 'McCann parents', in region of the derelict building which 'Christian B' was living in a derelect building not too far from the black rock

[6] Close proximity of derelict building and local church 'both with same address' [no. 5 Ave Dos Pescadores]

[7] The missing holdall from parents bedside wardrobe in apartment 5A

[more significant clues to follow]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 16, 2021, 03:49:PM

[more significant clues to follow]..
The following 'thoughts' are just 'my opinion' , based 'upon my experiences' regarding 'what feels right' when too many 'unexplained coincidences' seem to be 'reoccuring in a witnesses account' or 'narrative'. In the instant case, why did 'Kate McCann' introduce 'the possible whereabouts' of 'her daughters remains',  as being close to where 'Christian B' was hanging out and living as 'a squatter' and request that the 'GNR' search 'the area using police dogs' to her police liasion officer? I beleive that 'Kate McCanns' call to police with respect to the 'vivid dream' concerning the fact that 'Madelein was introduced so that the l friendsndocal police would bete the parents a diverted' to the (then) local area where the blackmailer  'lived', for the purpose to allow 'Gerald McCann' to load up the hired 'Renault Scenic motor vehicle' with clothing and other exhibits associated with the disposal of 'Madeleine McCanns body' [quite possibly, from the region of the derelict building] to enable 'Gerald McCann' to slip away undetected, for the strict purpose of getting rid of any evidence that could possibly 'incriminate them'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 17, 2021, 06:17:PM
The following sequence of occurences / events can lead to some form of resolution in / to the matter...

[1] The date the McCanns took possession of the rental car

[2] The date and time of 'Kate McCanns' vivid dream of the location where police would find the body, request to search area with dogsi

[3] Location of Christian B's derelict building at time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence [1st - 3rd May 2007]
Could we have a timeline or more dates attached to the above?

[4]'Gerald McCanns' absence taking rented car  [on date that 'Kate` had' vivid dream]

[5] Daily jogging routes, taken by 'McCann parents', in region of the derelict building which 'Christian B' was living in a derelect building not too far from the black rock

[6] Close proximity of derelict building and local church 'both with same address' [no. 5 Ave Dos Pescadores]

[7] The missing holdall from parents bedside wardrobe in apartment 5A

[more significant clues to follow]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2021, 08:18:AM
I do not think the 'McCann parents' used the hired renault scenic motor vehicle to move her body - they used the vehicle in order to negate such a suggestion, and only used the rented vehilcle to move and dispose of clothing, and equipment capable of incriminating themselves in 'Madeleine McCanns' death..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 18, 2021, 03:15:PM
I do not think the 'McCann parents' used the hired renault scenic motor vehicle to move her body - they used the vehicle in order to negate such a suggestion, and only used the rented vehilcle to move and dispose of clothing, and equipment capable of incriminating themselves in 'Madeleine McCanns' death..

It is very interesting to note, that on the date which `Kate McCann` contacted her [Portuguese] liaison officer,  and gave him the information regarding her imaginary  [vivid[ dream narrative, that this was part and parcel, of the 'parents plan', to afford 'Gerald McCann' an opportunity to attend the location of Madeleine s burial site, and for him to transport any item of clothing, or equipment that was used by 'them' during any part played by themselves in the death  and the subsequent  disposal of their daughters body .
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 19, 2021, 10:22:AM
It is very interesting to note, that on the date which `Kate McCann` contacted her [Portuguese] liaison officer,  and gave him the information regarding her imaginary  [vivid[ dream narrative, that this was part and parcel, of the 'parents plan', to afford 'Gerald McCann' an opportunity to attend the location of Madeleine s burial site, and for him to transport any item of clothing, or equipment that was used by 'them' during any part played by themselves in the death of their daughter .

'Kates' vivid dream 'part confession'  to the family liasion officer, in late july 2007, provides a remarkable insight that supports the Contention that they knew about 'Christian B' and the role he played in their daughters demise. Imagine for one moment, that the 'McCann parents' went out jogging on a route that invariable took them to within touching distance of the lair where 'Christian B' was holed up in, at around the time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence. How utterly coincidental, that it has taken some 14 years for German prosecutors to declare that 'Christian B' has emerged as one of the prime suspects involved in the disappearence of the 3 year old little girl [2007 - 2021].
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 19, 2021, 10:37:AM
How utterly coincidental, that it has taken some 14 years for German prosecutors to declare that 'Christian B' has emerged as one of the prime suspects involved in the disappearence of the 3 year old little girl [2007 - 2021].

The 'McCann parents' were busily engaged in contacting people who they beleived knew where their daughter was, and what, 'if anything sinister' had taken place to her. Some confrontations took place face to face, but in Chief, conversations took place via mobile telephone ( and, public call boxes). Many such face to face contacts or phone negotiations took place between the morning of 2nd May 2007 and the afternoon of 3rd May 2007. It soon became apparent that their daughter had been kidnapped and that whoever had the child was requesting a ransom for her safe return...

[more info' to follow]..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 19, 2021, 11:01:AM
It soon became apparent that their daughter had been kidnapped and that whoever had the child was requesting a ransom for her safe return...


Burgau
Budens
Portimao
Silves
Lagos
Rocha Negra

The whereabouts of 'Gerald McCanns' mobile telephone, was 'retrospectively traced' to nearby locations [on the 2nd and 3rd May 2007]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 19, 2021, 01:30:PM
Carolyn Kish's account perhaps sheds a better light regarding what had taken place behind the scene. Please read her account, here:-

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 19, 2021, 05:07:PM
Carolyn Kish's account perhaps sheds a better light regarding what had taken place behind the scene. Please read her account, here:-
Wouldn't this tend to suggest that Gerry had no part in his daughter's abduction?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2021, 08:38:AM
Wouldn't this tend to suggest that Gerry had no part in his daughter's abduction?

That would depend, I should think, upon whether or not, the 'Carolyn Kish' account took place on the 2nd May 2007, as opposed to the 7th May 2007. For example, just imagine for one moment, that her account was /is true and that it took place on the 2nd May 2007 at around 2.26pm in the afternoon?

The implications of this would have far reaching consequences, not just for the 'McCann parents' and 'their buddies', but also for 'members of staff' at the ocean club, 'who must be responsible for 'faking the creche register' contents, covering the '2nd' and '3rd May 2007', with 'another multitude' of 'faked accounts' designed 'to make it appear' that 'Madeleine' had been seen 'alive and well', at '4.30pm', and again, at about '6.30pm' on the evening of 'the 3rd May 2007', when in actual fact, 'she could not have been'..

More and more, 'discrepancies in the accounts' of the 'McCann parents' and 'others', who 'must have been aware' of 'the true facts of the matter', would mean that 'everyone can be absolutely sure', that rather than 'face the facts', and 'admit' that the tapas 9 group 'had been let down' by 'other known associates' of 'theirs', the lot of them, 'decided to present evidence' of 'an abduction from apartment 5A', by '10.00pm' on 'the evening of 3rd May 2007''.

Well, all 'I can say', at this juncture, is that 'the abduction theory', as 'portrayed' by 'the McCanns' and 'close associates',  'cannot be true'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2021, 04:09:PM

Well, all 'I can say', at this juncture, is that 'the abduction theory', as 'portrayed' by 'the McCanns' and 'close associates',  'cannot be true'..

I am now focussing on the apparent 'inconsistencies, relating to Carolyn Fish's [`contradictory`, at `odds with`, and the `inconsistent'] account, regarding her sighting /( and 'the') 'audio' of 'Gerald McCann', having 'taken place', on either 'the 2nd May' or the '7th May 2007' in 'a precinct of Lagos'..

Such 'dramatic inconsistencies', do 'not normally appear within the statement' made by any honest witness. Instead, this kind of development tends to indicate that 'the wording of such a witness statement', has /or is 'intended to delibrately mislead everyone'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2021, 04:25:PM
'I am not happy', that 'police have investigated this sighting' and 'audio' regarding 'Gerald McCann' talking and so obviiusly trying to negotiate the safe return of his daughter, when he was present in a precinct in Lagos...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2021, 08:12:PM
Rather, than simply be told, that her 'ATM' and 'banking transactions', took place on the '7th May 2007', I would not be satisfied until I could see the original data for any possible 'cash withdrawals' or 'Banking transactions' tended to by 'Carolyn Kish' on 'the 2nd May 2007'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2021, 08:18:PM
Rather, than simply be told, that her 'ATM' and 'banking transactions', took place on the '7th May 2007', I would not be satisfied until I could see the original data for any possible 'cash withdrawals' or 'Banking transactions' tended to by 'Carolyn Kish' on 'the 2nd May 2007'..

I would also be interested in any 'CCTV' footage that was recorded in the vicinity of the 'ATM' and 'the banks' in the Lagos precinct, on both ['2nd May 2007', and '7th May 2007'] which confirm that 'Carolyn Kish' and 'Gerald McCann' were 'in close proximity to one another', on 'a particular date' and 'time'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 20, 2021, 08:39:PM
Moreover, of some additional interest to me, concerning this matter, would be any 'pinging activity' available on either the '2nd' or the '7th May 2007' either side of 2.26pm, and 'if' this approach might throw up confirmation that 'Gerald McCann' was using a mobile phone with the 'as yet' unknown owner, of the mobile phone that was used by 'Christian Bruekners' accomplice, one hour prior to the alert of 'Madeleine McCann' [10.00pm] was raised by 'Kate McCann' an hour earlier? This would place the timing of such a call occurred at around 9pm on the evening of 'the 3rd May 2007'. Of course, two members of the so called 'tapas 9 group' were not present at the tapas restuarant, at around 9pm - these were 'Mathew Oldfield'(9pm) and 'Gerald McCann'(9.05pm). Is it possible, that one or other ['Oldfield' or 'McCann'] was 'Christain Bruekners' accomplice...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 21, 2021, 12:14:PM
Of course, two members of the so called 'tapas 9 group' were not present at the tapas restuarant, at around 9pm - these were 'Mathew Oldfield'(9pm) and 'Gerald McCann'(9.05pm). Is it possible, that one or other ['Oldfield' or 'McCann'] was 'Christain Bruekners' accomplice...

Did either 'Mathew Oldfield' and or 'Gerald McCann', contact 'Christian B' by mobile phone at around 9.00 pm, to 'set the reporting' of 'Madeleine' McCann' had gone missing from the family apartment an hour later?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 21, 2021, 07:36:PM
ATM machine in Lagos, Portugal -  location where 'Carolyn Kish' saw 'Gerald McCann' using 'a mobile phone' and in conversation, with someone involved in 'Madeline McCanns' disappearance ['he was pleading  for them not to hurt' Madeleine']..

But - did 'she see' and 'hear him', 'pleading with' the person ' not to hurt Madeleine', on 'the 2nd May' or 'the 7th May 2007'?

'The bank in Lagos' where 'Carolyn Kish' fist learned of 'Madeleine McCanns' ordeal - she  was told that the child had gone missing [already]. But it 'is not clear', 'whether' or 'not'  the matter being spoken about, occurred on 'the 2nd May', or 'the 7th May 2007', since, 'she did not come forward' or 'get in touch with the police' until 'August 2007' by which stage, the 'McCann parents' had already set the narrative worldwide, claiming that 'their daughter' was 'abducted' from their 'holiday apartment' on the evening of 'the 3rd May 2007'.It therefore remains a possibity that 'Carolyn Kish's  version of the event, as having occurred on' the 2nd May 2007' (on the basis that 'Madeleine' met her fate two days earlier). On the premis, that this be true, it gives a clear indication, that the 'McCann parents' knew the identity of the person, or persons involved in them volunteering to keep an eye on the 'McCann Children', whilst the parents went out of the Ocean club complex to spend time at 'Chaplins bar'. In effect, an accomplice involved in/at the Ocean club made an entry in a reception diary, to the effect that the 'McCanns' and other group members, were leaving their children in the apartments and needed to book a restuarant table positioned which afforded a view of the customers apartments. It would be interesting to know the date that particular entry in the reception diary. More importantly, finding out the identity of the member of staff who  handwrote the entry alerting other members of staff to the fact that when members of the group were having their evening meal, they were leaving their children alone in their apartments, without proper supervision. Once, the answers to these issues are found out, everything should fall into place. The handwritten entry in the reception diary, and the suspicious entries in creche records covering 2nd and 3rd May 2007, need a comparison exercise, to try to establish if there was one member of staff, or two or more, who operated in the guise of an accomplice [ on the evening of the 1st May 2007, when 'a man and a woman' entered apartment to check on the safety, or otherwise. 'Madeleine was last heard to be crying until 11.45pm, on that evening, as alluded to by 'Mrs Fenns' version of events. On the evening of 3rd May 2007, that same member of staff [or an adult member of the tapas 9 group] contacted 'Christian B' by mobile phone due to be implemented at 10pm [that same evening]. 'Madeleine' was already dead by this stage. The purpose of 'Christian B(s)' attendance to apartment 5A, was not for the purpose of taking 'Madeleine'. But, rather, for the purpose of returning clothing that 'Madeleine' was wearing when she vanished two days earlier, including 'Cuddle cat', and instructions  which allowed for all those concerned to 'communicate' or 'meet up' , or 'to try and sort things out'
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2021, 02:03:PM
THE Madeleine McCann suspect reportedly showed off a huge new campervan and bragged "I can transport children in this" just months before the tot vanished.

Christian B, is said to have made the sickening comment to a man who lived about 40 miles away from where the three-year-old disappeared in Praia da Luz in May, 2007.

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’

Christian Brueckner allegedly made the comment to the father of a female friend who lived in the Portuguese village of Foral, about 40 miles from Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

The 43-year-old sex offender is claimed to have chillingly added: ‘Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you.’
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2021, 02:51:PM
German cops are treating Madeleine’s disappearance as murderCredit: Handout
The single-storey farmhouse property is littered with abandoned wells and sits on a hillside with a footpath to the beach where she played.

And the other is up in the hills above Praia da Luz on a secluded road surrounded by just a few other houses - a drive from there to the holiday club takes 11 minutes.

In June 2014, Scotland Yard detectives backed by a team of cadaver dogs excavated scrubland around 300 yards from the farmhouse building but unearthed no clues.


The beauty spot is also well known to the Kate and Gerry, who regularly jogged around Black Rock after launching their hunt for their daughter in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

But locals - who described Christian B as a “quiet, angry weirdo” - say the German suspect would have known the area well and they think vital evidence may have been missed.

A Portuguese source said yesterday: “It’s clear the German police have strong evidence that Christian B killed Maddie - but they do not have enough to charge him yet, and they do not have a body.

“Judicial Police have confirmed they have been approached by German authorities in connection with the case and they will undoubtedly be prepared to carry out fresh searches in the hope of giving the McCanns closure.

“The obvious focus would be around the hillside former farm building and another property nearby with links to him.”
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2021, 02:56:PM
What we know...

The German, 43, was living in Praia de Luz, Portugal, when she disappeared German police are treating the disappearance as a murder inquiry and say the suspect is 'significant' He reportedly fantasised about wanting to "capture something small and use it for days" in a chatroom exchange
Christian B is said to have dated a British woman for a year when i livid in Portugal

Anyone with information for Operation Grange can ring 0207 321 9251 or email Operation.grange@met.police.uk
The 43-year-old couldn't legally be pictured in full in the UK initially, but we are now able to show the convicted rapist after a German newspaper published his photo.

German and UK police forces have appealed for anyone who knows him to contact them with information.

He was initially probed as part of the investigation into the youngster's disappearance but was discounted by Portuguese police despite having a criminal past, it has been claimed.

A former neighbour told Sky News Christian B rented a farm building from an English owner from the mid-90s, leaving a year before Madeleine disappeared.

They said: "He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane, and then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word. I think he left some rent unpaid.

"About six months later, I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, absolutely vile. It had been trashed, with broken stuff like computers all over the place.

"We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing, whether just fancy dress or something stranger I couldn't tell."
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2021, 04:25:PM
THE PARENTS of Madeleine McCann today denied a German prosecutor's claims they had been sent a letter telling them she is dead.

In an on-the-record interview, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We have written to the McCanns" to tell them "Madeleine is dead".

Wolters said the letter spoke of "concrete evidence" which proved Madeleine's death, but did not go into what that evidence was.

He did not say whether the Kate or Gerry McCann had received the letter yet, or whether it was sent directly to them, or to their representatives.

German national Christian B, who is currently serving time for drug offences, was revealed as the prime suspect by German prosecutors - who say that they have "evidence" that the toddler was killed.

It comes as cops continue their probe into what happened when Madeleine went missing in 2007.


German authorities have revealed the 43-year old, who is in prison in Kiel on drug offences, was being investigated on suspicion of Madeleine's murder.

This comes after reports by German newspaper Frankfurter NeuerPresse claiming prosecutors are investigating if Christian B has any connections to the killing of Tristan Brübach, who was murdered and mutilated in March 1998.

The young boy, 13, had his throat cut and parts of his body removed in a sickening attack and was found dead in a tunnel.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2021, 04:45:PM
THE PARENTS of Madeleine McCann today denied a German prosecutor's claims they had been sent a letter telling them she is dead.

In an on-the-record interview, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “We have written to the McCanns" to tell them "Madeleine is dead".

Wolters said the letter spoke of "concrete evidence" which proved Madeleine's death, but did not go into what that evidence was.

He did not say whether the Kate or Gerry McCann had received the letter yet, or whether it was sent directly to them, or to their representatives.

German national Christian B, who is currently serving time for drug offences, was revealed as the prime suspect by German prosecutors - who say that they have "evidence" that the toddler was killed.

It comes as cops continue their probe into what happened when Madeleine went missing in 2007.


German authorities have revealed the 43-year old, who is in prison in Kiel on drug offences, was being investigated on suspicion of Madeleine's murder.

This comes after reports by German newspaper Frankfurter NeuerPresse claiming prosecutors are investigating if Christian B has any connections to the killing of Tristan Brübach, who was murdered and mutilated in March 1998.

The young boy, 13, had his throat cut and parts of his body removed in a sickening attack and was found dead in a tunnel.
It is 'almost certain' , that 'after the disappearence' of 'Madeleine McCann' on the evening of '1st May 2007', that the 'McCann parents' were in contact with 'a person', or 'persons' [of interest] , who were claiming 'to have got their daughter'. 

Hence, why on the very day [3rd May 2007]  that the fake abduction of 'Madeleine' was 'taken', 'Kate' went out jogging, in the area where 'Christian B' used to live, and where around the time of 'Madeleine McCanns' alleged abduction [3rd May 2007], its can be proven that his VW campervan was present on waste land [satellite photographs] close to the farmhouse where he used to live. At the beginning of May 2007, he was living on a day to day basis, out of his VW campervan. Another feature 'worth bearing in mind', is that 'he' had already purchased the larger campervan (a couple of months beforehand)..

So, it begs the question of whereabouts exactly, was 'the larger campervan parked up at the time', 'he' returned to the remote farmhouse in the smaller VW campervan?

There is also the matter, of him registering a jaguer motor vehicle to a false name, presumeably with a false address in Germany, on the 4th May 2007...

When he fled from Portugal after 'Madeleine' went missing (or indeed, after she had been reported as missing two days later) 'Christian Bruekner'  took the large camper van with him [leaving the smaller campervan, and 'the dodgy' jaguar motor vehicle' behind 'back in Portugal', in 'the safe custody' , or 'knowledge' of 'one of his accomplices', or 'a girlfriend of one of his accomplices'. 'Police have seized all three of these vehicles' [ 'one in Germany',
- 'the large campervan'. The other two vehicles, - 'the smaller VW campervan', and 'the jaguar motor vehicle' , were both recovered from locations in Portugal'..

'No details' have yet been made 'public knowledge', regarding 'whether' or 'not' any accomplice involved in `the disposal of the two vehicles`, 'recovered subsequently in Portugal, and if anybody has provided the police with damning information which has caused the 'German Authorities' to be convinced that 'Christian Bruekner abducted and then killed' Madeleine McCann' shortly after he received her [beleived to have been at around 11.45pm, on the 1st May 2007].'Germany' police beleive that 'Bruekner' murdered 'Madeleine McCann' in Portugal and that her remains are buried in close proximity to the abandoned liars where, and which he was haunting at around the time of, 'before' and 'after 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearences [1st May, or 3rd May 2007]. The most obvious location of the burial site, is in a shallow grave dug into a hollow part of the rear garden of the derelict building [no. 5 Ave. Dos Pescadores] which sits adjacent to the church at Praia de Luz Portugal. The hollow is located over a land filled well, close to the sea wall. I stumbled upon this location in June 2010, whilst taking a 10 day break at the resort.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2021, 06:26:PM
Everything points to some form of collusion in the case of 'Madeleine McCanns disappearence between and involving members of the tapas 9 group, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka, Christian B' and ocean club members of staff, and the priest in charge of the resorts church. I am convinced, that an accomplice was also involved at various stages of the unfolding drama, most probably girlfriends or wives of the aforenamed suspects. The reason they have all got away with them playing different parts of the matter, is because the parents and their freinds, faked the date and time of the supposed abduction narrative [ they moved it to whatever had taken place on the evening of the 1st May 2007, to two days later [3rd May 2007]
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 22, 2021, 08:48:PM
Despite, it being my view, that the parents, their friends, various momentarily suspects, a priest, satanic practice, and the involvement of government icons, I suspect that the parents were 'warned', 'nay told', to 'say nothing' which might or 'could expose the truth behind what went on'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2021, 11:05:AM
Despite, it being my view, that the parents, their friends, various momentarily suspects, a priest, satanic practice, and the involvement of government icons, I suspect that the parents were 'warned', 'nay told', to 'say nothing' which might or 'could expose the truth behind what went on'...

In a well publicised tv presentation, the 'Metropolitan police' are on record, as saying, 'No matter, how 'Madeleine 'left' apartment, '5A', [they, 'omit the actual date' and 'time' of 'this occurence'] 'SHE WAS ABDUCTED'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2021, 07:26:PM
In a well publicised tv presentation, the 'Metropolitan police' are on record, as saying, 'No matter, how 'Madeleine 'left' apartment, '5A', [they, 'omit the actual date' and 'time' of 'this occurence'] 'SHE WAS ABDUCTED'..

But I ask, 'at what stage did it become an abduction?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 23, 2021, 07:52:PM
What happened to the latest German suspect? Is he still in the frame?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2021, 08:10:PM
But I ask, 'at what stage did it become an abduction?

Was it, by or from breakfast time, on the 2nd May 2007, that it dawned on the ' McCann parents', that 'the expectancy of' Madeleines' imminent return' after her anticipated involvement as a symbolic sacrifice, in 'Walpurgus nacht', celebrations. It is my belief, that she never made it to partake in those celebrations, and the reason for this, or that was because she did not leave the McCann apartment [5A] until around 11.45pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007 [in the general terms of 'Mrs Fenns' account]. With this being the case, there was [would have been] only a 15 minute period (prior to midnight) before any sacrificial offerring  would have any significance as part of '' Walpurgus nacht' [celebrations]. In fact, that '15 minute period' (11.45pm - 00.00am) was sufficient time to transport 'Madeleine' to, 'no. 5 Ave. Dos Pescadores'. It was once 'She' arrived there, [ Church and Derelict Building, share the same address, even though 'the two premises' are 'located across the street' from 'one another'. I am mindful, of a German womans possible involvement in the incident spoken about -   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2021, 08:16:PM
What happened to the latest German suspect? Is he still in the frame?

'Yes', of course..

`He` [along with a German national] `tortured`, 'abused' and subsequently murdered', 'Madeleine' inside the derelict building [ No. 5  Ave. Dos Pescadores], and  'truth Is' that they committed "this' - 'these attrocities'. 'MOREOVER', everything `they did` was `executed very close' to" the church", and 'Chaplins Bar' [the golden triangle], to which 'the McCann parents', 'were' - 'are linked' [from the evening of the 1st May 2007] onward...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 23, 2021, 08:16:PM
What happened to the latest German suspect? Is he still in the frame?
Yes he's the most likely suspect according to German and British authorities. He was moved from Wolfenbüttel prison in Lower Saxony to solitary confinement in Oldenburg near Bremen in the hope that he would crack under pressure, though it seems as yet he hasn't relinquished his secrets. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16661360/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on November 23, 2021, 08:45:PM
Ok thanks for replies Mike and Steve.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2021, 09:35:PM
Please, 'ask yourselves the following question'...

Why did 'the McCann parents' seek refuge in the church at Praia de Luz [ same postal address, as the derelict building, across the street from the church], where 'their daughter' was 'abused', 'tortured' , and 'murdered at around midnight' inbetween the '1st and the 2nd of May 2007' by at least two [maybe three] `German nationals'?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2021, 09:53:PM
Please, 'ask yourselves the following question'...

Why did 'the McCann parents' seek refuge in the church at Praia de Luz [ same postal address, as the derelict building, across the street from the church], where 'their daughter' was 'abused', 'tortured' , and 'murdered at around midnight' inbetween the '1st and the 2nd of May 2007' by at least two [maybe three] `German nationals'?

I regard 'the involvement', in 'the disappearence' of 'Madeleine' by 'Christian B', 'Sergey Malinka', 'Robert Murat,' the 'McCann parents' and 'their team members', as 'thus far' being nothing more than -
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 23, 2021, 09:59:PM
I regard 'the involvement', in 'the disappearence' of 'Madeleine' by 'Christian B', 'Sergey Malinka', 'Robert Murat,' the 'McCann parents' and 'their team members', as 'thus far' being nothing more than -

 relying upon a false narrative..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2021, 06:54:AM
Everything relating to the disappearence of 'Madeleine McCann' points to something negative and disastrous having taken place on the evening of the 1st May 2007 [not the evening of 3rd May 2007] - they moved (shifted) the date and time of the incident, on purpose and relied on influential politicians, to try to pull the fake narrative off. This also included using the media from the outset, which set the fake narrative up. By 'such means' and 'methods of devious intention' the vast majority of the world have been fooled into accepting that 'Madeleine McCann' went missing, or was abducted from apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, somewhere inbetween 'Gerald McCanns' 9.05pm check on all three of their Children, and the 10.00pm check made by 'Kate McCann' on the 3rd May 2007. It comes across to me, that the parents (collectively, or individually) are at the centre of providing misinformation, and it is rather astonishing [in the faked narrative version of events] that 'Madeleine McCanns' plight 'was' / 'is' set, inside a confirmation made by 'Gerald McCann' that `he was the last person` to see 'Madeleine' [apparently, alive and well] asleep in her bed, at the time of his (imaginary visit to apartment 5A) check, and that his wife ['Kate'] was the first person to discover that 'Madeleine' had been taken [by 'THEM'] at `the time of a check` that was made [up] 'at 10.00pm' - in a nutshell, we are being hoodwinked and have been brainwashed into buying into this faked narrative in what I shall refer to, as the ['golden hour'] 'period of activity' / or 'scripts' which when are put under scrutiny do not add up by anybodies standards. 'They' have 'not told the truth', which can be easily proven by 'an analysis of two key periods' (evening of '1st May 2007', between '10.30pm' - '11.45pm', and the alleged activities on the evening of the '3rd May 2007', between '9.00pm' and '10.00pm'. Imagine these 'two periods of time', to be 'akin' to, 'two slices of bread', inside of which 'is sandwiched' the 'ingredients of a deception'. Furthermore, upon close inspection of the ingredients 'which unfolded', or 'which were faked' is 'a two day' (or thereabouts) delay, scripted  for the '2nd' and the '3rd May 2007', in order to 'make believe' that 'Madeleine' was 'still alive' and 'well' [ `huh`, `huh`, `huh`] enjoying life to the full in a family environment, when 'infact' that 'proposal was incorrect', because 'Madeleine' left 'apartment 5A' by '11.45pm' on the evening of 'the 1st May 2007' and 'albeit' for 'the clothing she had been wearing' (at that time) and of course, 'Madeleines, 'Cuddle cat', toy [which] were 'returned to apartment 5A' at 'some stage', prior to 'the involvement of the cadaver' / 'blood' hound 'dogs' participation in 'the eventual investigation' into the 'probability' of 'one' or 'other of the parents', or 'both'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2021, 07:09:AM

 Furthermore, upon close inspection of the ingredients 'which unfolded', or 'which were faked' is 'a two day' (or thereabouts) delay, scripted  for the '2nd' and the '3rd May 2007', in order to 'make believe' that 'Madeleine' was 'still alive' and 'well' [ `huh`, `huh`, `huh`] enjoying life to the full in a family environment, when 'infact' that 'proposal was incorrect', because 'Madeleine' left 'apartment 5A' by '11.45pm' on the evening of 'the 1st May 2007' and 'albeit' for 'the clothing she had been wearing' (at that time) and of course, 'Madeleines, 'Cuddle cat', toy [which] were 'returned to apartment 5A' at 'some stage', prior to 'the involvement of the cadaver' / 'blood' hound 'dogs' participation in 'the eventual investigation' into the 'probability' of 'one' or 'other of the parents', or 'both'...

I am led to believe, that 'Madeleine McCanns' remains, were never physically present at any stage, inside apartment 5A, and that 'those same remains' were 'never transported' in the 'renault scenic hire car' [ no Sir, no Madam] the dogs reacted 'to article's of clothing' which had been worn by 'Madeleine' at the time of her death, or afterwards. At least, 'this is my interpretation of the facts'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 24, 2021, 08:00:AM
dogs reacted 'to aricle's of clothing' which had been worn by 'Madeleine' at the time of her death, or afterwards. At least, 'this is my interpretation of the facts'..
It is 'much more probable', or 'likely', that 'Madeline McCanns' remains, were 'left undisturbed' in 'the shallow grave' located in 'a hollow' in 'the left hand corner of the rear garden of' the 'ramshackled', 'derelict building' bearing in mind, that the same postal address [no. 5 Ave.Dos Pescadores] relates to the church and the derelict  premises being spoken about, here..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2021, 09:47:AM
Based on 'what is [now] known', 'all ends up', with 'no stone left unturned', all I can say is 'if it had been you', or 'me', in the shoes of the 'McCann parents', and 'their friends', we 'would have been arrested' and probably 'prosecuted/convicted' on 'a variety of criminal offences'. There would be no prospect of any politician interfering with the due process of law. The police would not refuse to consider you or me as having played any role in the crimes being investigated..

Everything points toward a 'cover up'..

Everything points to 'Madeleine McCann' leaving apartment 5A, at around 11.45pm, on the 1st May 2007..

For example, the 'McCann parents' are known 'to have deleted phone call records' [ from thier mobile phones] , for the period of 'the 30th April' to the '4th May 2007'. Even more significantly, Portuguese police obtained confirmation, that 'Kate' McCann' was present inside apartment 5A at the time that 'Mrs Fenn' heard 'Madeleine' crying continously getting ever louder and louder until 11.45pm, at which point, 'Madeleine' yelled out, the all important declaration, 'DADDY', 'DADDY', 'DADDY' which coincided with the crying stopping..


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2021, 03:37:PM
For everyones information, the various agencies of the state controllers, know that I find out the truth [in any legal /compensatory issue] that I take an interest in - 'Scotland Yard` had better `put their reliability' [reputation] `in order`. What we are dealing with here, are 'pedophiles', 'child abusers' and 'human sacrifice' - all those who partake in this way of life, and living, are 'LIZARDS'...

The veneral public at large, should regard that which I am referring to, as a stark warning that those in power, are not the people they have us (all) believe, or know - power corrupts...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 25, 2021, 09:52:PM

.. the 'McCann parents' are known 'to have deleted phone call records' [ from thier mobile phones] , for the period of 'the 30th April' to the '4th May 2007'. Even more significantly, Portuguese police obtained confirmation, that 'Kate' McCann' was present inside apartment 5A at the time that 'Mrs Fenn' heard 'Madeleine' crying continously getting ever louder and louder until 11.45pm, at which point, 'Madeleine' yelled out, the all important declaration, 'DADDY', 'DADDY', 'DADDY' which coincided with the crying stopping..

'NOW', that is something of significance, do you not all agree!

'Kate' was present in/at apartment 5A, from 10.40pm, onward on the evening of the '1st May 2007'. 'She' was present, therefore, throughout [the biggest part of] the 'one hour' and 'fifthteen minutes' which 'Mrs Fenn' has stated that she had witnessed persistent crying. This means that both parents did not go down to 'Chaplins bar' after their evening meal at the tapas bar restuarant [only, 'Gerald McCann' did] . It now  becomes apparent, that upon returning to apartment 5A, at 10.20pm, on that evening, that 'Kate McCann' made a telephone call to her husband using her mobile phone. It took'Gerald McCann' until 11.45pm [that same evening] to return back to apartment 5A...

Did he return alone, or in the company of another?
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2021, 01:33:PM
'Kate McCann' was present inside apartment 5A, throughout the duration of the prolonged crying episode involving 'Madeleine', as witnessed and alerted to, by' Mrs Fenn', on the evening of the 1st May 2007, an agonising episode which dragged itself out between 10.30pm and 11.45pm (as confirmed by phone records obtained during the 'PJ' investigations). It is with absolute certainty, that at precisely 10.35pm [on that particular  evening] `Kate made a telephone call to her husband, 'Gerald'. The call resulted in dragging 'Gerald McCann' back to the family apartment [5A], 'he arriving there' at the precise time of 11.45pm. His return to the family apartment at 'this' / 'that time' coincided with 'Mrs Fenns' account that the prolonged crying [of 'Madeleine'] which had become more and more intense throughout 'a one hour' and  '15 minute' duration 'suddenly came to an abrupt halt'...

11.45pm, or thereabouts, on the evening of the 1st May 2007, 'was' / 'is' [therefore] a criticle point in the suppressed history surrounding the disappearence of 'their daughter'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2021, 01:56:PM
'Ladies' and 'Gentlemen', the 'narrative introduced' by 'the McCann parents' and 'their friends' is exposed 'as nothing but a sham'! 'Madeleine McCann' almost certainly, and without doubt, was never present at any stage inside apartment 5A, throughout the entire period between the 2nd and 3rd May, 2007 - there simply, was no abduction, it all boils down to the following scenarios, 'either' (a) 'one' or 'other parent', 'administered a drug substance' upon which 'Madeleine', 'overdosed on', or (b) 'the parents handed her over to a third party' in the belief that 'Madeleine' would be returned [unharmed] at some stage around breakfast time, the following morning.. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2021, 02:31:PM
'Ladies' and 'Gentlemen', the 'narrative introduced' by 'the McCann parents' and 'their friends' is exposed 'as nothing but a sham'! 'Madeleine McCann' almost certainly, and without doubt, was never present at any stage inside apartment 5A, throughout the entire period between the 2nd and 3rd May, 2007 - there simply, was no abduction,

Remember, what 'Kate McCann' allegedly 'blurted out', after 'her imminant return' to the tapas bar restuarant, 'shortly after 10.00pm' on the evening of the '3rd May 2007' - 'THEY HAVE TAKEN HER' ['Madeleine' is 'GONE']..

ASK YOURSELVES, 'How' did 'Kate McCann' know that 'her daughter had been taken' by 'more than one person'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 26, 2021, 02:40:PM

ASK YOURSELVES, 'How' did 'Kate McCann' know that 'her daughter had been taken' by 'more than one person'?

I believe, that 'she knew this', because when her husband [Gerald] had been drawn back to apartment 5A at 11.45pm, on the evening of the 1st May 2007, he was accompanied by an 'as yet unidentified man' and 'a woman'. It was 'this couple' who took 'Madeleine' away. 'One' or 'other' of the 'McCann parents' 'knew' , and 'knows' the identitity of 'one' or 'other' of 'the people', that 'took their daughter',  'away' from apartment 5A, near to midnight ['1st' / '2nd' of 'May', '2007']. The female member of this couple, was almost certainly, either an Ocean Club child care employee, or alternatively, a specialist in treating and 'conditioning the behavioural habits' of 'problematic children'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 05:36:AM
I think, believe and or suspect, that many of the major players already named in the 'PJ', 'Scotland Yard' and the 'Germany' investigations [thus far] are all people who 'were' , and 'are known' to 'one another'. The way that I am viewing this case, at the moment, is 'akin to this being nothing more' than 'a film production', involving controversial characters who are rather unusually becoming 'drawn into the script'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 09:32:AM
Why did the 'McCann parents' delete telephone and sms texts from their mobile phone memory [1st May - 4th May 2007]?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 09:36:AM
There are 'several features in this case' , which raise 'a red flag'. Here, I mention just a few of them..
RED FLAG ISSUISES

[1]'Kate McCanns' foreboding before holiday, that something terrible was going to happen to one or more of them

[2] ` Gerald McCanns' outburst whilst travelling on a transfer bus from the airoplane en route to arrival lounge

[3] the fact that most of the children who were holidaying at Praia de Luz, at around the time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence, all had blonde coloured hair..

[4] the leaving of 'cuddle cat' in bedroom where 'Madeleine' was supposedly abducted from in apartment 5A

[5] The `mix up' relating to `which` door 'the McCann parents' left their apartment to go to the tapas bar restuarant on the evening of '3rd May 2007' in order to attend 'evening meal' in company of 'their group members' [ Roadside key lockable door, or poolside patio door unlockable from outside]

[6] `confusion' over whether or not 'Mathew Oldfield' listened at the outside of'the McCann childrens bedroom window [metal window blinds in lowered and locked position] during 'the first of his two known checks' of the 'McCann apartment [5A], at 9.00pm, and, or if,' on the second such visit' [9.30pm] when 'he was accompanied' by' Russell O'Brien', 'He', or 'they' had 'listened from outside the childrens metal shuttered window at 5A' or 'they had either approached the unlocked sliding patio door', located 'on the poolside of the premises', and either 'listened at the outside surface of the patio door' for any 'sign of noise' or 'disturbance'? Alternatively, did either of 'the two named friends of the family', actually 'slide the unlocked patio door open' and 'then one or other' or 'both' then 'had slipped inside to make a proper check' regarding the 'childrens safety' and 'well being' . At that point, 'did either of them approach the childrens bedroom door' and 'look inside' ? If not 'was the childrens bedroom door' still 'slightly open', as described by 'Gerald McCann' at 'the time of his 9.05pm premises' and purported 'childrens check' to / at '5A'?

[7] When 'Oldfield' and 'OBrien' left the tapas restaurant bar, at 9.30pm, having volunteered to replace 'Kate McCann' of 'performing that duty', did 'Russell O' Brien' go directly to his own apartment? If he did, then 'at what stage' did 'Mathew Oldfield' find out, or 'discover' that' Russell OBrien' would 'not be returning to the tapas restaurant' , because 'OBriens daughter' was, or 'had become ill'? Did ' Matthew Oldfield' go with 'Russell O' Brien' to the 'OBrien / Tanner' apartment, before 'Oldfield` did `the 9.30pm check` on the' McCann apartment [5A]` or 'his own apartment'?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 11:16:AM
[8] In one account, 'Mathew Oldfield' has gone on record, as saying that 'When he did the 9.00pm check of 'The McCann apartment' at '5A', that he had actually entered the 'McCann apartment' via the sliding door on the poolside of the premises [contradicting what he had said previously - ie that he had only listened at / against the outside surface of the metal shutter of the 'McCann childrens' bedroom 'window'. In his latest account, he confirms that it was at the time of his 9pm check of 'the McCann apartment' that he discovered that 'Madeleine McCann' was absent, and of course, missing. He states that he checked all the rooms of apartment 5A [including 'the McCann parents' bedroom] before he dashed back to the tapas restaurant to raise the alarm. Rather somewhat disturbingly, 'he appears to have altered this version of the events, by claiming that it was during his second check of 'the McCann apartment' [5A] that 'he had entered that apartment'..

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 12:40:PM
[9] that half hour period 9.00pm - 9.30pm, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, holds the key to unravelling what had truly been occurring in the mindset of 'the McCann parents' and 'some of their friends'. Lets take into account the version introduced by 'Mathew Oldfield' concerning two disjointed accounts, of his entry or otherwise into 'the McCann parents apartment' at 'both 9.00pm', and '9.30pm'. After 'having' completed 'a detailed consideration' / 'analysis' of 'other known sources of information' / 'evidence', I think we can safely conclude that it was during the first of his checks of apartment 5A, that he, infact slipped into 'the McCann apartment' [9.00pm] at which point, he discovered 'Madeleine' to be missing. Now, in that particular version of 'Mathew Oldfields' account, he visited every room in the 'McCanns apartment' to try and find 'Madeleine' without any success! As a result, he hurriedly dashed back to the tapas restuarant to alert the parents about their daughter [`Madeleine' being missing from the apartment. This exchange of information, imparted to 'Gerald McCann' by 'Mathew Oldfield' took place at just before 9.05pm, that evening. Upon receiving that information from 'Mathew Oldfield,' he', 'Gerald McCann dashed off back to the family apartment [5A], leaving' Mathew Oldfield feeling as though 'McCann' had fallen out with him. Once 'McCann' had dashed back to apartment 5A [approx' 9.05pm] `Mathew Oldfield' spoke privately with other members of the group, relating to them that which he had discovered back in 'the McCann apartment'. One of the group members that he spoke to at that time, was 'Jane Tanner'. Within five minutes, of 'Her' listening to 'Mathew Oldfield', 'She decided to go and see what' Gerald McCann' was doing, because 'he seemed to have been gone a long time' [it was now about 9.10pm].This is where 'Jane Tanner' later introduced seeing 'Gerald McCann' chatting with /to a tennis friend in the street, and once she had passed them without any acknowledgement on behalf of all concerned, she claims to have seen a man carrying a child in his arms walking across the junction ahead. By this time of course, 'Gerald McCann' had already been into apartment 5A, and 'seen all three of his children asleep in cots' and 'bed'. Now 'this raises a serious issue, since where had' Madeleine ' disappeared to by the time of 'Mathew Oldfields' 9.00pm check at apartment 5A, and reappeared 5 minutes or so later, (at just after 9.05pm) when 'Gerald McCann' did his 9.05pm check? 'Where could she have been' during that '5 minute period'. Well, after diligently analysing the contents of witness statements, I find that the only member of the group of friends who was not accounted for as being present at the tapas bar restuarant until 'Jane Tanner' relieved him of care duties [looking after their sick / ill daughter] is / was 'Russell OBrien'. He was the only known member of the supposed tapas 9 group who did not attend the initial serving of the usual evening meal. He did not turn up at the restuarant, until his partner 'Jane Tanner' arrived back at their apartment soon after 9.10pm to allow him to go to the tapas bar restuarant to eat his evening meal which the cook had put to one side for him to eat later. Sandwiched inbetween 'Jane Tanner' leaving the tapas bar to go looking for 'Gerald McCann' at 9.10pm, and her eventually arriving at her own apartment in order to relieve 'Russell OBrien' of him nursing his daughter so that he could eat the meal at the restuarant which had been prepared for, and set aside for him (lets assume that by the latest of say 9.15pm, 'OBrien' arrived at the tapas bar to consume his pre-ordered and pre-cooked evening meal, at 'or'/ 'by' aound 9.15 - 9.20pm). Then he was absent from the tapas bar restuarant for around 50 minutes, of the hour long period that the 'McCann parents' had originally left their three children home alone back inside apartment 5A. Taking into account, the 9.00pm check made by `Mathew Oldfield' of 'apartment 5A' and the 9.05pm check of the same apartment by 'Gerald McCann' there was clearly a 30 minute period of time where 'Russell OBriens' whereabouts could independently be verified [8.30pm - 9.00pm]. This time period suggests to me of being when something untoward may have taken place, and could have involved 'Russell OBrien` [8.30pm - 9.00pm] and or his partner ' Jane Tanner' [9.10pm - 10.00pm]. No-one can independantly verify the whereabouts of this couple [ first one, and then the other] between the hour of 8.30pm and 10.00pm. That is an hour and a half, during which time one or other of 'OBrien' and 'Tanner' fall into consideration.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 12:47:PM
[10] I am convinced that the alleged sighting by 'Jane Tanner' of a suspect carrying a child in his arms walking in a direction away from the location of ' the McCann apartment' [5A] was a deliberate ploy by 'Tanner' to divert attention away from her partner who could have, may have been involved in the circumstances of 'Madeleine McCanns' demise..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 08:39:PM
[11] Both 'McCann parents' deleted call and sms text messages from their respective mobile phones on key dates and times..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 27, 2021, 08:45:PM
In my opinion, wherever you look at different parts of the narratives relating to the movement of the 'McCann parents', other 'group members', 'creche records' 'deleted mobile phone and sms text messages, during the entire period between the 1st May 2007 (from 8.30pm onward), until the alarm was raised regarding' Madeleine' being absent at / in apartment 5A at 9.00pm [`Mathew Oldfields', version of events] or at 9.15pm 'when a member of staff came on duty' to 'the tapas bar restaurant' and 'mentioned hearing raised, disturbed voices' between 'a man' and 'a woman' who were 'sat at a dining table', 'talking loudly' about one of the 'Ocean Clubs clients children' had 'gone missing from an apartment'. It is interesting to note, that the employee did not identify who this couple were. Additionaly, no-one can say for sure if the couple in question, were 'Mathew Oldfield' and 'Kate McCann', or 'the Carpenter couple' who left the tapas bar at about 9.20pm. It is rather unlikely that this observation, involved 'Mathew Oldfield' talking to 'Jane Tanner' at that time, because she had left the tapas bar earlier at 9.10pm...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 02:47:AM
'The Carpenter couple' left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.20pm, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007. They left through the small reception entrance and crossed over the street [in between block 5 and block 6] en route to their apartment location. At this time, as 'they' crossed over the street, 'mrs Carpenter' recollected that 'She heard a persons voice' calling out the name of 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', without saying whether the voice she heard was 'male' or 'female'..

This raises 'a number of ponderings' - since, 'who could have been that person'?

Well, depending 'upon whichever narrative each of us subscribe to', the only member of the tapas 9 group who was not present back at the restuarant, was 'Jane Tanner' [all 'the other 8 adult group members', 'were' at the tapas bar]. So, was it 'her voice', or 'not'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 02:50:AM
'The Carpenter couple' left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.20pm, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007. They left through the small reception entrance and crossed over the street [in between block 5 and block 6] en route to their apartment location. At this time, as 'they' crossed over the street, 'mrs Carpenter' recollected that 'She heard a persons voice' calling out the name of 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', without saying whether the voice she heard was 'male' or 'female'..

This raises 'a number of ponderings' - since, 'who could have been that person'?

Well, depending 'upon whichever narrative each of us subscribe to', the only member of the tapas 9 group who was not present back at the restuarant [at that time], was 'Jane Tanner' [all 'the other 8 adult group members', 'were' (presumably) at the tapas bar]. So, was it 'her voice', or 'not'?

Was  it   'Gerald McCanns voice'?     

If so, then 'this fact alone' would be capable of 'confirming' that 'Gerald McCanns' visit to 'apartment 5A' at 9.05pm, was  a 'reaction' to what 'Mathew Oldfield' had 'told him' ['Madeleine is not present in your apartment'] upon 'his return to the tapas bar restaurant', from 'his'[own] 'check' of 'the McCann apartment' at '9.00pm'..

This [`if true'] makes 'a mockery' of 'Gerald McCanns' narrative - where he has continued to say, that when 'he went to apartment 5A' at '9.05pm', that 'Madeleine' was 'still present' and 'sleeping on her bed', adding that 'upon seeing her' at 'that time', ['he' had reflected upon how 'beautiful she looked'..

Until 'Mrs Carpenter' verifies 'whether' or 'not', it was 'a male', or 'a female voice' she `heard calling out` the name 'Madeleine' on 'three separate occasions', at the 'exact moment', that 'she' and 'her family' were 'crossing the street' close to 'the McCann apartment' [5A]..

Additionally, 'if' the voice [which] called out 'his daughters name' at '9.20pm', belonged to 'Gerald McCann', it simply `does not justify the reasons` given for why 'Mathew Oldfield' and 'Russel OBrien' successfully convinced 'Kate McCann' to 'let them', do 'her 9.30pm' check. Since, if 'Gerald McCann' had not 'yet' returned 'back to the restuarant' by 'that stage', surely 'Kate McCanns' state of mind, would be 'why was it taking so long for 'her husband' to carry out 'his' 9.05pm apartment, check?

I am not satisfied, with the claim that 'Gerald McCann' ever 'returned to the tapas bar restuarant' after allegedly doing a check' of 'apartment 5A' at '9.05pm' [that evening]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 03:44:AM

I am not satisfied, with the claim that 'Gerald McCann' ever 'returned to the tapas bar restuarant' after allegedly doing a check' of 'apartment 5A' at '9.05pm' [that evening]..

My reasoning, for taking this stance, is because of (a) ' the Smith family sighting of a person carrying a child in his arms, at around 10.00pm in the vicinity of' LUZDOCK', and (b) 'the deletion of mobile phone and 'sms text messages' from `Gerald McCanns', and 'Kate McCanns' mobile phones...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 03:52:AM
My reasoning, for taking this stance, is because of (a) ' the Smith family sighting of a person carrying a child in his arms, at around 10.00pm in the vicinity of' LUZDOCK', and (b) 'the deletion of mobile phone and 'sms text messages' from `Gerald McCanns', and 'Kate McCanns' mobile phones...

'Gerald McCann' deleted either 'four calls' or 'sms text messages' [from the memory and or storage facility, on/in his mobile phone] that 'he sent' to his wife [`Kate'] on the evening of 'the alert' [3rd May 2007] concerning 'the disappearence' of 'their daughter' - yet, rather intriguingly, 'Kate McCann' only deleted 'three of his call/sms text messages'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 10:34:AM
According to 'the McCann narrative' [faked], 'the parents' did not separate after returning to their apartment, once 'Kate McCann' alerted to all and sundry, that 'THEY HAVE TAKEN HER, and that ' MADELEINE IS GONE'. Yet, 'Gerald McCann' deleted four phone call or sms text/messages from his mobile phones memory of such contact between 'him' and 'his wife' between 10.00pm [the time of the fake alert that 'Madeleine' was 'taken' by 'them', and that 'she was
'gone'  - the 'arrival of the PJ' at 'their apartment' later on, 'afterwards'..

Something is clearly 'not right'  with ' the McCann parents behaviour' or 'narrative'..

The 'only reliable piece of evidence, that ' I can rely upon' regarding 'Gerald McCanns whereabouts' on any occasion, once 'Kate' had 'officially raised' the 'alarm' at '10pm', on 'the 3rd May 2007' was when 'Mrs Fenn' saw 'him' close to 'shrubbery' and 'plants' in [apartment 5A] `his garden' on `the poolside` of 'apartment 5A'. On 'this' / 'that occasion' [which, rather surprisingly, 'was an area' at which 'the Cadaver' and 'blood hound dogs', alerted to 'a presence' of blood' and or 'a cadaveric presence'..

Reference to 'Mrs Pamela Fenns' witness statement, dated, 'the 20th August 2007'.

Included in the files as a witness statement is mention of relevant events having occurred [in particularly] on the [evening] 1st' and '3rd of May 2007', the following!

'Being of British nationality and in spite of living in Portugal, does not have knowledge of the Portuguese language in its oral and written form, therefore a police interpreter is present, UEVE VAN LOOCK. Thus, according to the facts noted in the files, she says that she has lived in the apartment since 2003, which is located on the upper floor, immediately above the room from which the child disappeared'.

She refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when 'she was at home alone', at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

 
On the 3rd May she received a visit from her niece Carole [Tranmer] during the morning, who said that when she was on her terrace she saw a male individual looking into the McCanns apartment, situation which has been told to the police, her family member even made a photo fit"

During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out ?we have let her down? which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.

Where is 'Carole Tranmers' PHOTOFIT IMAGE?
   
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 01:18:PM
'Gerald McCann' deleted either 'four calls' or 'sms text messages' [from the memory and or storage facility, on/in his mobile phone] that 'he sent' to his wife [`Kate'] on the evening of 'the alert' [3rd May 2007] concerning 'the disappearence' of 'their daughter' - yet, rather intriguingly, 'Kate McCann' only deleted 'three of his call/sms text messages'...

Why would 'the McCann parents' be contacting eachother by mobile phone, on four separate occasions, after 'Kate' raised the alert about 'Madeleine' having been taken?

I thought, in 'their narratives', [that] they [had both] 'left the tapas bar' at '10.00pm', on the '3rd May 2007' [along with everyone else], and stayed close together in and around the apartment until the 'PJ' attended the incident?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 01:33:PM

The 'only reliable piece of evidence, that ' I can rely upon' regarding 'Gerald McCanns whereabouts' on any occasion, once 'Kate' had 'officially raised' the 'alarm' at '10pm', on 'the 3rd May 2007' was when 'Mrs Fenn' saw 'him' close to 'shrubbery' and 'plants' in [apartment 5A] `his garden' on `the poolside` of 'apartment 5A'. On 'this' / 'that occasion' [which, rather surprisingly, 'was an area' at which 'the Cadaver' and 'blood hound dogs', alerted to 'a presence' of blood' and or 'a cadaveric presence'..

'The' McCann parents' were not talking to one another at this time 'using their mobile phone' or 'sending eachother a sms text message'. So, the four separate occasions when they contacted one a other, this could only have between 10.00pm - 10.30pm, or sometime after 'mrs Fenn' had soken to 'Gerald McCann' at 10.30pm.[This could have been at different stages up until  the 'PJ' arrived at the scene, that night]
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 01:57:PM
There are no independant accounts of 'Gerald McCann'  returning to the tapas bar restaurant after he had earlier left [9.05pm] to check on his children at their apartment. The closest we have any suggestion that he had already completed that welfare check, is by reference to 'Jane Tanners' narrative, where she claims to have seen 'him' engaged in conversation in the street with another holiday maker. Considering that 'McCann' had dashed off to apartment 5A, after being told by 'Mathew Oldfield' that 'Madeleine' was absent from apartment 5A, as a result of 'Oldfields' visit there only moments before, and 'Gerald McCanns' narrative including the fib that he had seen 'Madeleine' asleep on top of her bed when he arrived there, it seems somewhat strange that there was, or is any reference to 'Gerald McCann' putting the record straight, regarding 'Mathew Oldfields' earlier assertion, that 'Madeleine' had been absent! Furthermore, if 'Gerald McCann' had only just returned back to the tapas bar restuarant from doing his 9.05pm welfare check [ lets say by 5 - 10 minutes of 'Jane Tanners' narrative calcukated on her sighting of 'McCann' soon 'after 9.10pm' this would have meant that somewhere between 9.15pm - 9.25pm, 'he' returned to the restuarant. But, if that be the case, why would 'Kate McCann' be about to leave the tapas bar five minutes or so, after her husband had just come back from there? Moreover, why would 'Mathew Oldfield' and 'Russell OBrien' volunteer to do 'Kates' apartment check at the same time [9.30pm]?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 02:02:PM
Why would 'Mathew Oldfield' [in particular] be volunteering to do another check of apartment 5A, [9.30pm] considering 'how upset' it had made 'Gerald McCann' feel about 'him' checking on the 'McCann apartment' earlier [9.00pm] in the knowlege that at 9.05pm, 'Gerald McCann' had gone to do another check of the same apartment?  If it did happen like that, then the only other thing which springs to the forefront of my mind, was that 'Gerald McCann' did not return back to the tapas bar at all from leaving there at 9.05pm, but that he was engaged in other buisness connected with or too the disappearence of his daughter..

'He' could have been the person seen by the Smith family contingent, who they saw carrying a child in his arms coming down an inclined side road close to the vacinity of 'LUZDOC' [MEDICAL CENTRE]. However, this could have been himself carrying 'Russell OBrien' and 'Jane Tanners' daughter in an effort to get her some treatment related to an illness she had just configured. The 'Smith contingent, may well have witnessed this scenario, or the man they saw was infact' Russell OBrien' carrying his own daughter seeking independent treatment and or medication. I have personally walked various routes from the vicinity of apartment block 5, to the 'LUZDOC' premises, and the journey can easily be done in 30 minutes! I find this interesting, because of all the 30 minute references mentioned in the various narratives of the five adult members of the tapas 9 group!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on November 29, 2021, 02:36:PM
I have personally walked various routes from the vicinity of apartment block 5, to the 'LUZDOC' premises, and the journey can easily be done in 30 minutes! I find this interesting, because of all the 30 minute references mentioned in the various narratives of the five adult members of the tapas 9 group!

(1) - 30 minutes between checks on apartment 5A [ by all and sundry]

(2) - 30 minutes between the two 'Mathew Oldfield' checks at apartment 5A [9.00pm and 9.30pm]

(3) - 30 minutes between a member of staff describing how at 9.15pm, a couple at a dining table knew about the disappearence of a child from an Ocean club clients apartment and another Ocean club employee states that at 9.45pm that all members of the group were not present, except for a middle aged woman, who was sat there alone keeping an eye on others belongings..

(4) - 30 minutes between 'Kate' raising the alarm (10.00pm] and' mrs Fenn' observing and overhearing [10.30pm] `the McCann parents screaming etc, from the apartment, - and she speaking with and to 'Gerald McCann' who informed her that a little girl had been taken by someone..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 01, 2021, 04:39:AM
I can also confirm, that it is virtually impossible, for any would be abductor to force open the metal window shutter [externally forced] without leaving any damage...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 01, 2021, 11:40:AM
I can also confirm, that it is virtually impossible, for any would be abductor to force open the metal window shutter [externally forced] without leaving any damage...

Why would any 'would be abductor' need to force open the metal window shutter when the patio doors were left unsecured?  There were no signs the window/shutter had been forced.  He/she could quite easily enter through the unsecured patio doors, scoop up Madeleine and leave by the front door for a nearby waiting car which is what the evidence supports.  The abductor may well have 'staged' the shutter/window to deflect attention away from the fact the abductor was one of a few people who knew the patio doors were left unsecured throughout the holiday from approx 8.30pm to 11.30pm with the 3 children left sleeping and unsupervised save for the brief random checks by parents and T7. 

How do you know Madeleine hasn't been recovered safe and well and her abductors in custody?  Why would the authorities make any such situation public knowing the girl would be hounded off the face of the earth by the tabloids making a 'normal' life impossible? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 02, 2021, 11:13:AM
Why would any 'would be abductor' need to force open the metal window shutter when the patio doors were left unsecured?  There were no signs the window/shutter had been forced.  He/she could quite easily enter through the unsecured patio doors, scoop up Madeleine and leave by the front door for a nearby waiting car which is what the evidence supports.  The abductor may well have 'staged' the shutter/window to deflect attention away from the fact the abductor was one of a few people who knew the patio doors were left unsecured throughout the holiday from approx 8.30pm to 11.30pm with the 3 children left sleeping and unsupervised save for the brief random checks by parents and T7. 

How do you know Madeleine hasn't been recovered safe and well and her abductors in custody?  Why would the authorities make any such situation public knowing the girl would be hounded off the face of the earth by the tabloids making a 'normal' life impossible?

'Madeleine' is 'dead', and 'the McCann parents' both know that what I am saying 'is true'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 02, 2021, 01:30:PM
'Madeleine' is 'dead', and 'the McCann parents' both know that what I am saying 'is true'...

Best let the MET know then.  They are still publicly saying its a missing person inquiry. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2021, 06:20:AM
'The MET, already know' what' the 'German authorities' have 'found'  which convinces 'them' that the suspect played a major role, in the circumstances of [`what they believe`] was the murder of 'Madeleine McCann' and other young children also who have gone missing and been murdered. I believe the 'German authorities, have' recovered articles of swim wear', and 'items of clothing' belonging to 'several child victims' [including, 'Madeleine McCann'] from 'the suspects large camper van' owned by 'Bruekner' and that 'his' victims 'DNA' 'has been detected' on these/those 'intimate items of clothing' recovered from his large motorhome which as far as 'the German Prosecutor' is concerned, 'Links several child murders' , altogether..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2021, 06:35:AM
It is interesting to know, that 'the McCann parents' only drew attention to 'a set of pink pyjamas' which 'Madeleine' was wearing [allegedly] at the time of 'her disappearence - without any reference to' any other item of clothing' that `Madeleine' was 'wearing' , such 'as socks' and or 'underwear'. Another thing that springs to mind, is 'what happenned to the clothing' and 'footwear'which 'Madeleine' wore during the actual date of her [`alledged'] disappearence?

'Who got rid of it' or 'washed it'?

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2021, 06:42:AM
- without any reference to' any other item of clothing' that `Madeleine' was 'wearing' , such 'as socks' and or 'underwear'. Another thing that springs to mind, is 'what happenned to the clothing' and 'footwear'which 'Madeleine' wore during the actual date of her disappearence?

'Who got rid of it' or 'washed it'?

'Have the German authorities' recovered any 'such items' from 'the suspects motorhome' which has been found traces of 'Madeleine McCanns' DNA perhaps on socks or an intimate item of her underwear?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 03, 2021, 07:04:AM
There must have existed phone records which link 'the McCann parents' or 'one or other' of 'the adult members' of 'the tapas 7 group' to 'the latest suspect' and or, 'earlier suspects'. There would have also been 'internet records' linking 'one' or 'other' members of the tapas 9 group' to 'any' or 'all of anyone' who at 'one time or another' fell 'under suspicion' , or 'became a suspect'. It is very telling, in my opinion that certain key players at the heart of the investigations 'carried out' in 'Portugal', the 'UK' and 'Germany' went about deleting phone records and 'wiping hard drives' on 'their computers', 'laptops', or 'tablets' around the period that 'Madeleine' did `go missing` [1st May 2007], or 'allegedly went missing' [3rd May 2007]..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 04, 2021, 04:22:AM
There is 'one particular image, of 'Kate' and 'Gerald McCann' who at the time, were sat [both] together, in the area which 'beneath them' [in a vertical drainage system] where [concealed] `items [`of'] clothing and slippers/shoes of their daughter' were deposited...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2021, 03:29:AM
For some inexplicable reason, there 'was not' or 'is not', any information about items of clothing that 'Madeleine'  wore on the date of her actual disappearence [`1st May 2001'] 'during day time activity', nor 'any indication of clothing worn by all concerned' during 'the period' between '1st' and '3rd May 2007'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2021, 03:29:PM
'German authorities' have spoken to three witnesses, regarding the possible involvement of 'Bruekner' in abducting and killing 'Madeleine McCann'..

 
Nakciji Miftari
Lenta Johlitz
Gunter Bartl
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2021, 04:06:PM
'What Bruekner' told her [`Lenta Johlitz'] - on the occasion she spoke to 'German authorities' about the matter,

[/u]'The child is now dead' and 'now thats a good thing' [/u]

But 'is it possible', that 'any part he played a role in', to do with 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearence', 'involved', 'other key players' who have 'at one time' or 'another been responsible' , [or 'who have already fell under suspicion' with the passing of time' and 'subsequently' been 'released' with 'no further action taken against them'] - only 'partly' or 'potentally true', in the sense 'that these' /'those people' were 'not' , and 'may not', 'have acted alone'.'infact' they were all deeply involved in 'a huge sex abuse' /'Simbolic satanic sacricifial,' offering'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2021, 06:04:PM
In my book, 'Christian Brueckner' and 'one' 'or' other' of the 'McCann parents' must have been 'in phone contact' with 'one another' after 'Bruekner' and 'a female accomplice' captured 'Madeleine McCann, from' apartment 5A',  at about '11.45 pm', on 'the 1st May 2007'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 05, 2021, 06:58:PM
Based on 'my life experiences' at the 'hands of the police', the judicial system', [AND] ¡'lying toe rag', 'rat informants' and 'brainwashed members of the jury' and 'members of the public' who 'have never had any experience of how easy it is for the prosecution' and 'its legend of clown witnesses' who will say exactly 'what is needed to make a defendant(s) look guilty', one of the problems involves the fact 'that almost all, or every witness statement is recorded using a police officers interpretation of all the answers given in response to questioning by that very same officer' [in almost every instance], permitting 'the interviewing offier to interpretate a witnesses response', in such a way as 'to lend support towards the prosecutions case'! By these means [this method] `these witness statements` can get `further interfered with`, by 'processes of redaction' ,`editing', and `as a last resort`, the 'withholding of Information' from 'a defendant' or 'his legal representatives' under rules of 'Pii' because `that evidence or information` if disclosed or tended in evidence `would serve to seriously undermine the prosecutions case` that is `being brought against an innocent party!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 06, 2021, 09:11:AM
Iin June 2010, when I visited 'Praia de Luz', 'Portugal', I am convinced that a piece of 'human bone' that I stumbled upon whilst examining the rear garden area of the derelict building [ 5 Ave Dos Pescadores] 'a small bone' that could have have belonged to the body of 'Madeleine McCann', which got dropped above ground when the rest of her remains were about to be buried in the shallow grave that I discovered on the same occasion. Below, are a variety of images of the piece of bone which someone has told me is 'of human origin'...

Can anyone 'confirm this' as 'being true', and 'if so' what 'part' of the human frame 'it belonged to'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 08, 2021, 08:20:AM
 'Is this photograph' that was taken in 'Saudi Arabia' evidence, that confirms 'Madeliene' may yet 'still be alive'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 10, 2021, 08:22:PM
If 'Kate McCann' had been arrested in the 'UK' suspected of being involved in 'hiding', or 'covering up' the 'circumstances of her daughters disappearance', and " the disposal of her body'['Madeleine'] not only would she have been arrested. [As she was in Portugal, by the 'PJ'], there is 'no room for imagining' that 'she would not have been brought to trial', or 'convicted' of ' playing a significant role' in 'her daughters demise' and 'her mysterious disappearance'.

At 'the time of her' [warranted] 'arrest', by the 'PJ' in connection 'with the death', and 'disposal' of 'Madeleine McCanns' body - 'a jury ['in the UK'] would have 'with certainty', 'convicted her'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2021, 05:09:AM

At 'the time of her' [warranted] 'arrest', by the 'PJ' in connection 'with the death', and 'disposal' of 'Madeleine McCanns' body - 'a jury ['in the UK'] would have 'with certainty', 'convicted her'...

'She' refused to answer questions that the 'PJ' put to her during interview of 'her' by 'them', 'thus', she 'deliberately', 'wilfully' and 'obstructively', prevented 'them' from 'finding', 'her daughter', and 'gathering evidence' to help to convict all those involved in the 'actual narrative'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2021, 05:43:AM
'She' refused to answer questions that the 'PJ' put to her during interview of 'her' by 'them', 'thus', she 'deliberately', 'wilfully' and 'obstructively', prevented 'them' from 'finding', 'her daughter', and 'gathering evidence' to help to convict all those involved in the 'actual narrative'...

'Kate' knows 'that her daughter' is 'dead', and 'I' believe that 'her husband' controls 'her', because 'he is at peril' of being exposed as 'a nonce', 'sex offender', 'satanic worshipper'...

This couple, are 'sadomasochistic', - 'observe the bruises on Kate McCanns arms [and body] whilst being interviewed or photographed in Portugal, and 'the fact' that 'If 'Kate McCann' had been arrested in the 'UK' suspected of being involved in 'hiding', or 'covering up' the 'circumstances of her daughters disappearance', and " the disposal of her body'['Madeleine'] not only would she have been arrested. [As she was in Portugal, by the 'PJ'], there is 'no room for imagining' that 'she would not have been brought to trial', or 'convicted' of ' playing a significant role' in 'her daughters demise' and 'her mysterious disappearance 'Gerald McCann'

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 12, 2021, 02:01:PM
I suspect, that 'Robert Murat left the 'UK' on the 2nd May 2007, in response to 'what had taken place involving 'Madeleine McCann' on 'the previous evening'[1st May]...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 15, 2021, 04:35:PM
I suspect, that 'Robert Murat left the 'UK' on the 2nd May 2007, in response to 'what had taken place involving 'Madeleine McCann' on 'the previous evening'[1st May]...

It seems somewhat obvious to me, that someone in the 'McCann party' already knew a few members of the so called adult members, including 'David Payne', 'Russell O'Brien', 'Jane Tanner', and 'Mathew Oldfield'. I suspect that each of these people, already knew 'Robert Murat,'Sergey Malinka', 'Christian 'B', and ,'a host of different girlfriends 'and 'partners', or 'business associates'..

Included in this list, 'will be' and 'is' that 'a large number' of 'international ' ,'MPs', 'governments officials', and 'doctors', etc, etc, etc, 'enjoy' the participation in these ,'well planned' escapades. You cannot trust anyone 'who holds a position in authority'. These 'monsters' live to 'abuse' children', 'the disabled', 'the elderly', or ,'underprivileged People'.. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 17, 2021, 01:35:PM
I beleive that 'nobody should implicitly trust','the Metropolitan police',[COLP] or 'Scotland Yard', who investigate what are clearly 'miscarriages of justice' or any matter which 'involves a police cover up' [there's 'one set of rules for them' and 'a completely seperate set of rules', for 'innocent victims of police powers', and 'the conniving tactics' and 'behaviour' of the 'CPS', 'judiciary', 'government officials' 'some members of the general public and the likes of them, who 'are brainwashed' by 'the corrupt system that all of us ,'are all expected to survive in'.

Lots of members of the public','do not exercise the power' which 'almighty god' gave 'to each' and everyone of us', when 'he created us' and that 'was' and 'is' the sacred power of 'FREEWILL'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 24, 2021, 01:52:PM
I contacted the 'PJ' at 'Lisbon' in 'Portugal' after my 10 day visit to 'Praia De Luz' commencing 'June 2010'. I notified them that I had just returned home to the 'UK' and that 'I had some useful information' for them in connection with their 'Madeleine McCann' investigations. They requested that 'I transfer all of the photographs which I took' during 'my visit to the areas of interest in the case', and 'for me to make sure that they could easily be shown to all have been photographs' that 'were taken in sequential order' (This was because there were such images, 'saved' and 'recorded on different memory cards' linked to the 'camera I had been using') ...

I complied with the request to forward all the images I had taken..

I believe that the derelict building I was drawing attention to, was a place of interest worthy of investigation by them.

Amongst the images that I took in 'Portugal' were photographs of 'a derelict building' and 'St Vincents' parish church, in 'Praia De Luz' which are two premises either side of a street named 'AVE DOS PESCADORES' Both of these premises have the same street no. [number 5].

Close by to the church, is a bar ['CHAPLINS BAR'] which features in an event which took place there on the evening of the 1st May 2007 between approximately 10.30pm and midnight, which coincided with a neighbour [`Mrs Fenn'] of the 'McCann' holiday residence [5A] to the fact that a child had been 'constantly crying' from around 10.30pm until 11.45pm that same night. 'A crying session' which only 'coincidentally stopped', when the neighbour heard the voice of a young child, calling out 'Daddy', 'daddy', 'daddy'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 25, 2021, 10:30:AM
"It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.." https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1539940/madeleine-mccann-news-police-portugal-disapperance-christian-B-suspect
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 25, 2021, 11:41:AM
"It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.." https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1539940/madeleine-mccann-news-police-portugal-disapperance-christian-B-suspect

They sound extremely confident. But why have UK cops stayed so quiet about it? Strange.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on December 25, 2021, 11:49:PM
I contacted the 'PJ' at 'Lisbon' in 'Portugal' after my 10 day visit to 'Praia De Luz' commencing 'June 2010'. I notified them that I had just returned home to the 'UK' and that 'I had some useful information' for them in connection with their 'Madeleine McCann' investigations. They requested that 'I transfer all of the photographs which I took' during 'my visit to the areas of interest in the case', and 'for me to make sure that they could easily be shown to all have been photographs' that 'were taken in sequential order' (This was because there were such images, 'saved' and 'recorded on different memory cards' linked to the 'camera I had been using') ...

I complied with the request to forward all the images I had taken..
And

I felt that the ['bone'] remains which I discovered in the rear garden of the derelict building [`No. 5 Ave Dos Pescadores'] belonged to 'the victim at the centre of this incident' ('Madeleine McCann'). Hence, why 'I left the vital piece of evidence' on 'the flat surface of a cut portion of a tree trunk', for the 'PJ' to `find and take the appropriate action` to `confirm` or `disprove`, that `what I found`, and `handled`, is 'a part of the remains of the missing child victim' [`Madeleine McCann']...

I have a very strong sense of
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 27, 2021, 01:16:PM
Difference of opinion between British and German authorities: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 27, 2021, 02:29:PM
Difference of opinion between British and German authorities: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10239367/Scotland-Yard-open-thinking-Madeleine-McCann-Germans-think-dead.html

This to me suggests that above the UK authorities, within the chain of command, there is a desire for the Germans not to resolve the case.  The reasons for this can be debated. Somebody isn't being honest.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 27, 2021, 02:45:PM
This to me suggests that above the UK authorities, within the chain of command, there is a desire for the Germans not to resolve the case.  The reasons for this can be debated. Somebody isn't being honest.
I wouldn't put it past the British detectives involved to be milking this case financially for all it's worth. The taxpayer has already forked out £12.5 million. I think the Germans have the right suspect, who reminds me in several ways of Daniel Morcombe's killer, Brett Peter Cowan.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 27, 2021, 07:48:PM
They sound extremely confident. But why have UK cops stayed so quiet about it? Strange.

Met only ever had CB down as a suspect/person of interest.  The webpage appealing for wtinesses has long since been removed.

I believe the person(s) who abducted MM knew she was home alone, without adult supervision, and the patio doors were left unsecured/unlocked ie accessible to anyone from outside.  How would Brueckner know this? 

I believe I have identified an opposite sex couple involved who were aware of the above and fit the crime scene evidence.  But I've no idea who initiated it, who took the lead thereafter and what the motive was. 

I do believe it is possible she is still alive.  It might even be the authorities know her whereabouts but are keeping it quiet knowing it would be impossible for her to lead a 'normal' life due to all the media attention. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on December 28, 2021, 06:30:PM
I think the child is still alive as there's nothing to say that she isn't.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 28, 2021, 06:35:PM
Met only ever had CB down as a suspect/person of interest.  The webpage appealing for wtinesses has long since been removed.

I believe the person(s) who abducted MM knew she was home alone, without adult supervision, and the patio doors were left unsecured/unlocked ie accessible to anyone from outside.  How would Brueckner know this? 

I believe I have identified an opposite sex couple involved who were aware of the above and fit the crime scene evidence.  But I've no idea who initiated it, who took the lead thereafter and what the motive was. 

I do believe it is possible she is still alive.  It might even be the authorities know her whereabouts but are keeping it quiet knowing it would be impossible for her to lead a 'normal' life due to all the media attention.

Interesting. For now, I am placed somewhere between Amaral and the German police. I expect the least trustworthy of the authorities or sources are the UK.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on December 28, 2021, 06:56:PM
I think the child is still alive as there's nothing to say that she isn't.

The German authorities claim otherwise. I suspect they found a picture of Madeline dead in his possession.

Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

If you read carefully what Wolters has said there. "a picture Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera."

That does not preclude a picture of Madeleine dead WITHOUT Brueckner on camera. And that is exactly what I believe they found in Brueckners possession.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 28, 2021, 07:04:PM
Interesting. For now, I am placed somewhere between Amaral and the German police. I expect the least trustworthy of the authorities or sources are the UK.

Amaral claims he ruled out Brueckner at the start of the investigation.  He had previous for theft (in Portugal) and child sex abuse (in Germany) at the lower end.  The BKA and MET revealed just enough for the media to identify without actually naming him.  He's clearly an unpleasant individual but I disagree about the way he has been named in the media.  There's really no case against him as far as I can see and some 18 months on he hasn't even been questioned. 

The MET has an appalling record in every respect.  They can't even solve high profile long running cases on their own doorstep let alone those in other countries.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 28, 2021, 07:14:PM
The German authorities claim otherwise. I suspect they found a picture of Madeline dead in his possession.

Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

If you read carefully what Wolters has said there. "a picture Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera."

That does not preclude a picture of Madeleine dead WITHOUT Brueckner on camera. And that is exactly what I believe they found in Brueckners possession.

If they had a picture of Madeleine dead in Brueckner's possession I would suggest this would be enough evidence to question him if not charge him. 

How would Brueckner know Madeleine was home alone, unsupervised and in an unlocked apartment?  Or do you think he was just lucky to stumble across such a scenario? 

The sniffer dogs only scented Madeleine within the immediate vicinity.  How do you think Brueckner made his escape? 

What do you think he did with the body?  Do you think he outwitted search expert Mark Harrison? 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on December 28, 2021, 08:26:PM
If they had a picture of Madeleine dead in Brueckner's possession I would suggest this would be enough evidence to question him if not charge him. 

How would Brueckner know Madeleine was home alone, unsupervised and in an unlocked apartment?  Or do you think he was just lucky to stumble across such a scenario? 

The sniffer dogs only scented Madeleine within the immediate vicinity.  How do you think Brueckner made his escape? 

What do you think he did with the body?  Do you think he outwitted search expert Mark Harrison?

Regarding the dogs, are you agreeing that the dogs detected cadaver and blood?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on December 28, 2021, 08:28:PM
Regarding the dogs, are you agreeing that the dogs detected cadaver and blood?
He could have killed her in the apartment. The guy is insane.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 28, 2021, 11:22:PM
Regarding the dogs, are you agreeing that the dogs detected cadaver and blood?

I think we're talking about different dogs.  I was referring to the search and rescue dogs aka sniffer dogs who were given an item that Kate McCann claimed had been in close proximity to Madeleine's body.  (I have no reason to doubt Kate McCann).  The dogs then work off this scent ie Madeleine's and follow it with the dog handler.  The dog was unable to scent outside the immediate vicinity which suggests Madeleine was placed in a nearby vehicle hence the dog lost the scent.  These dogs were used shortly after Madeleine went missing.

The cadaver dogs were thoroughly discredited with the Shannon Matthews case:

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

Page 25:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

The owner of 5A passed away some time before the McCanns stayed there.  He didn't actually pass away in 5A but the odour is highly transferrable. 

The cadaver dogs were used some considerable time after Madeleine went missing. 

My theory is very close to former MET officer Ian Horrock's

https://www.bgpglobalservices.com/happened-madeleine-mccann-2/
 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on January 07, 2022, 05:52:PM
intresting if a bit far fetched theory here. https://youtu.be/D7Bd130HWaY
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on January 10, 2022, 01:06:AM
really going down the reabbit hole here https://youtu.be/wMokHbceT0A
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 11, 2022, 12:54:PM
The following facts might provide background information, regarding what actually happened in the case of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearance.:-

(1) - it was a preplanned event, prior to 'David Payne' making the arrangements for the holiday, we're booked [ by him, on behalf of the other members of the tapas 9 group] and in Portugal. Involving, 'the parents' and 'other members' of the 'tapas group', 'friendly paedophile associates' who 'kept in contact' with one another by 'phone' and 'the internet'. 'These people' may have included 'David Payne', and 'Robert Murat' ( who have 'a strong resemblance to one another identification wise'). In turn, 'we should not discount' the 'possible involvement' of 'Sergey Malinka' [ a computer programmer] ('and a close business associate' of 'Robert Murat'). For example,' Murat' was in 'the business of restoring', and 'rennovating', 'old', 'delapidated', 'run down properties' and 'derelict buildings' - which we 'now know' that the latest suspect ('Christian Bruekner') `often took refuge in', not only in 'such buildings', and 'premises' in 'Portugal', but 'also', in 'Germany'. It is believed that both 'Robert Murat' and 'Gerald McCann' knew 'each other well', and 'had both been in contact' with 'one another' prior to when 'the Portugal holiday took place'. There may well be a somewhat tenuous link between 'Bruckner' and 'an illusive girlfiend' who was a 'Child therapist' and 'who on occasions' took 'in' and 'cared for troubled youngsters' and 'toddlers' to/ and at 'her apartment', where 'Brueckner' is 'known to have been visiting' at 'around the time' of 'Madeleine McCanns', 'disappearance' [1st - 3rd May 2007]..

to be continued.

(2) - I do not believe that a random snatch of 'Madeleine' took place, or 'happenned' - the incident which 'unfolded' and 'continues to puzzle lots of us', was 'undertaken with the co-operation of a lot of people', to 'my way' of analysing and 'interpreting' what 'must have taken place', was / is that the 'Madeleine McCann' disappearance has 'all the hall marks of an internasional flavour' and 'involved some working class individuals' in 'the supply chain'. There must have been 'candidates' who took 'a small bit part', in helping to take ultimate control of 'Madeleine McCann' along the chain of events, 'someone' or 'some people' who 'was' or 'were employees' at the 'Ocean Club resort'. Someone who either 'worked in reception', or 'whom' was 'working in some capacity' or 'other' in 'the tapas bar' as 'a waiter', a 'bar man', or 'a cleaner' (or two). 'Gardeners' and 'maintenance men' who 'worked for the ocean club' [members of the babysitting personal] Some of these close knit conspirators whom 'enjoy positions of wealth' and 'authority', such as 'politicians' , and 'church leaders' and 'priests', 'child traffickers', 'organised paedophilia', 'satanism', 'sex abuse of children', rape', 'torture' and 'sacrificial murder'..

(3) - the link in Portugal between the 'McCann parents' and their 'visit to the property'and' living quarters' belonging to 'Clement Freud', for 'wine and' a celebratory meal in house' [after 'Madeleine McCanns' sudden and 'as yet', 'unresolved disappearence] is' 'very disconcerting', amid claims of 'him' being subject of [`Him'] being `a child sex offender`, previously. Let's `get the facts right`, there were `lots of pedophiles`, `sex offenders` either 'living' or 'visiting Portugal' at the time in which 'Madeleine' [allegedly] `went missing`. Remember 'Kate McCanns' outburst when 'after returning to her apartment'
(5A) and 'discovering' that 'Madeleine', had 'been taken' by 'them' at or by '10.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007'. This is 'despite the fact', 'that' at 'just after 9.00pm' that 'same evening', and 'again' by 'around 9.15pm - 9.30pm', that 'other people' were 'realising' that 'a child' was 'missing' from a customers apartment'. 'AGAIN', that 'by 9.45pm that same evening' that '8 of the tapas 9 group' who had been 'eating' an 'evening meal' had 'already left' the 'tapas bar' to 'go' and 'look' for, 'Madeleine'. In 'another example', 'where' during 'a TV interview' with 'aTV terviewer' and 'whilst in her snug little way, she spoke about, the fact tgat'Did 'Robert Murat' know 'Clement freud' well enough, to `also be in attendance`, 'on that same occasion' ?

(4) - the use of the local church in 'Praia de Luz' where the 'McCann parents' took refuge at the beginning of the police investigation, and its close proximity to 'Chaplin Bar' where the 'McCann parents' partied late on and into the evening of 1st May 2007. Of course, the same proximity of the derelict building located across the road from the church [there was dug a shallow grave in the rear garden of this derelict building]. Let us also factor into this mystery, the priest who quickly packed his bags and gave up his post at the said church, and that he did so, soon after 'Robert Murat' arrived back in 'Portugal' from the 'UK'...

to be continued.

(5) - 'Gerald McCann' deleted text messages and records of mobile phone calls that he had made and received between '1st and 3rd May 2007'. Similarly, so did 'Robert Murat' and let's not forget that 'Sergey Malinka' deleted Internet activity from of all the hard drives of computers that belonged to him [around the same period]. It may have been worth checking all mobile phone records with respect to them having made, or received text messages or phone calls to the now known other key suspects - in the same way that 'Kate McCann' forgot to delete a certain phone call from her husband, even though' he' had deleted all such records from his own mobile phone'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on January 12, 2022, 10:34:AM
what do you think of gordon dimok theorysthe ones involving ghisline maxwell.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 12, 2022, 11:30:AM
what do you think of gordon dimok theorysthe ones involving ghisline maxwell.
'Hi', nugnug [your username intrigues one such as me' - since in reverse spelt backwards, it reads, 'GUNGUN'] - thank you 'for your input' regarding 'the possible involvement' of 'Guisline Maxwell'  in the act of the disappearance involving 'Madeleine McCann' on the evening of 'the 1st May 2007', whilst her parents were having such a good time at 'Chaplin bar' until 'nigh on' or 'beyond midnight'. It is important to know, that 'the distance between the tapas restaurant bar' and the family apartment [5A 'at the Ocean club'] was not, and is not, as close to the 'McCann apartment', as 'the greater distance' between 'the local church' , and' Chaplins bar' - let's 'get the facts right', the 'McCann parents' were at 'Chaplin bar' from about 10.15am - 10.30pm', on 'that particular evening' [hardly anything like the parents having a barbecue in the family back garden [apartment, '5A'] as 'alluded to' by 'Gerry McCann' - in ' captured, 'media footage' [you `do not leave three young children`, `alone at the family apartment, and 'visit an English bar' (Chaplins) when `it would take a minimum of 10 minutes', or 'more', to 'return to the family apartment' to 'check on their three young children' [ which 'is exactly' what (they) 'did do']

This `approach` that `I am raising`, is 'A GAME CHANGER'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 12, 2022, 10:30:PM
It is, or has to be, more than a coincidence, that 'Mrs Fenn' heard a toddler start 'crying in apartment 5A' [coming from an apartment, directly beneath hers] which commenced at 10.30pm, lasting until 11.45pm, that same evening, and that the 'McCann parents' left the tapas bar, and instead of returning back to their apartment to check on their three children,but upon exiting the small reception entrance, they turned right and walked down the road, past the supermarket, and beyond the local church, with the derelict building, directly opposite on the same street, before reaching 'Chaplins bar'where it is almost certain as far as I am concerned,' that the 'McCann parents' along with 'other members of the tapas 9 group chatted and' drank glasses of wine', and 'that none of the group' returned to their [own] 'Ocean club apartments' to 'check on the welfare' and 'safety' of 'children of theirs' [unless, it transpires, that 'one or two members of the group', did not 'tag along' to visit 'Chaplin Bar', but instead that upon these or those group members went immediately back to their apartments]. If this was what happened, it seems somewhat possible that one or more of them may have checked on the 'McCann' children, 'alone inside apartment 5A'. For 'this to have occurred' the 'person', or 'people' that 'went to check' the 'McCann' apartment in the knowledge that 'the parents' would be out of touch and unable to make theier own checks, once they left the 'Ocean club small reception entrance' 'intent on heading' and 'making their way' to 'Chaplin Bar'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 12, 2022, 10:42:PM
It is, or has to be, more than a coincidence, that 'Mrs Fenn' heard a toddler start 'crying in apartment 5A' [coming from an apartment, directly beneath hers] which commenced at 10.30pm, lasting until 11.45pm, that same evening, and that the 'McCann parents' left the tapas bar, and instead of returning back to their apartment to check on their three children,but upon exiting the small reception entrance, they turned right and walked down the road, past the supermarket, and beyond the local church, with the derelict building, directly opposite on the same street, before reaching 'Chaplins bar' where it is almost certain as far as I am concerned,' that the 'McCann parents' along with 'other members of the tapas 9 group chatted and' drank glasses of wine', and 'that none of the group' returned to their [own] 'Ocean club apartments' to 'check on the welfare' and 'safety' of 'children of theirs' [unless, it transpires, that 'one or two members of the group', did not 'tag along' to visit 'Chaplin' Bar', but instead that upon these or those group members went immediately back to their apartments]. If this was what happened, it seems somewhat possible that one or more of them may have checked on the 'McCann' children, 'alone inside apartment 5A'. For 'this to have occurred' the 'person', or 'people' that 'went to check' the 'McCann' apartment in the knowledge that 'the parents' would be out of touch and unable to make their own checks, once they left the 'Ocean club small reception entrance' 'intent on heading' and 'making their way' to 'Chaplin Bar'...

It would be interesting to know Who suggested that they should visit 'Chaplin Bar'[that evening] and find out the names of other group members, who agreed to 'tag along' and all those 'who didnt'. Is it possible, that they were invited to visit 'Chaplin Bar' by someone who was not directly a member of the group?  If so, it might shed a little more light, on the circumstances behind 'Madeleine McCanns' demise. Could bit piece suspects have met up with the 'McCann' clan, on that occasion? [People like 'Robert Murat', 'Sergey Malinka', 'Clement Freud', 'Christian Bruekner`,' accompanied by his then' (child therapist) 'girfriend', and 'Chidcare worker' [`Elizabeth Pennington'], `the elusive priest who took a confession from both of the 'McCann parents' and 'then abandoned his post at the church', where 'the McCanns', sought refuge during the early days of the investigation. 'What date', and 'time of day' (or 'night') did 'the illusive priest' take 'these confessions' from 'them'? Then there is the matter of 'this priest giving up his post at the church' just as 'Robert Murat' arrived in 'Portugal', on 'a flight that was booked' by an 'unknown party' on the '2nd May 2007'. 'Murat' arrived at Portugal around the time that 'the McCann parents' (and 'their friends') 'faked the disappearance of 'Madeleine' to have occurred on the evening of the '3rd May 2007'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 13, 2022, 04:49:PM
Then there is the matter of 'this priest giving up his post at the church' just as 'Robert Murat' arrived in 'Portugal', on 'a flight that was booked' by an 'unknown party' on the '2nd May 2007'. 'Murat' arrived at Portugal around the time that 'the McCann parents' (and 'their friends') 'faked the disappearance of 'Madeleine' to have occurred on the evening of the '3rd May 2007'...

Also factor in the fact that the 'McCann parents' went on 'a jaunt to Rome' to visit 'The Pope', and on some other occasion, that 'Gerald McCann' visited the haunt of 'Epstein', 'Maxwell', 'Andrew' allegedly involved in child trafficking, and under age sex acts  with 'Young girls' [bear in mind also, the 'Child Sex abuse scandal' ('Casa Pia') that was being drawn into court proceedings in Portugal, and the fact that there was a' European conference' held in 'Lisbon' around the time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearance...

One European commissioner was visiting an apartment at the ocean club [apartment block 3] on the evening that 'Mrs Fenn' recounted a child crying for nigh on one and a quarter hours, (evening of 1st May 2007)  
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 13, 2022, 07:24:PM
Pat Brown doesn't think much of the McCanns. https://youtu.be/PD8OlQqRhT8
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 23, 2022, 09:17:PM
Let's not be fooled any further, by the claim that 'Madeleine McCann' went missing from the 'McCann apartment' between 9pm and 10pm on the evening of the 3rd May 2007. [`She didnt'].

The 'parents' know who they invited to check on their children, in apartment 5A, when they left the tapas bar at around 10.15pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007, and instead of returning to their apartment to do a check on their three young children, they ventured down to 'Chaplin bar' to party for a couple of hours or more. Upon leaving the small reception entrance of the ocean club, they arranged for somebody to keep a check on their children whilst they were exiled down at the pub next to the village church. This 'somebody' was almost certainly a member of their group who chose not to visit 'Chaplin bar' on that particular evening. However, it remains a distinct possibility that a member of the 'Ocean Club' staff, overheard those arrangements being arranged..

I think, the 'McCann parents' are now very concerned, that the identification of the group member who agreed to look in on the 'McCann parents children' whilst they were far away at  'Chaplin bar'. [ `I am hazarding a guess', here - 'David Payne', 'Russel O'Brien' , 'Jane Tanner' and 'Mathew Oldfield' have inside knowledge regarding what really took place involving 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearance...

They should all volunteer, to subject 'themselves to lie detector tests' (including both parents)! To get to the truth in this matter...

There was and is a vast difference in distance between the 'McCann parents' suggesting that when they were dining at the tapas restaurant it was akin to them having a barbecue in their back garden, and the location of 'Chaplins bar' and their apartment [5A]. Hence why they switched the date of her disappearance /absence, from allegedly 'having occurred' on evening of the '3rd May 2007', rather than 'two or more days earlier' ..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 23, 2022, 09:39:PM
There is another glaring clue, in the fact that a member of the group [named in Kates book] who made an entry in the small reception diary, regarding the fact that the 'McCann parents' [and other parental members of the so call 'tapas 9 or 7 group] were `leaving` their [Children, unsupervised) which, as it turns out the McCann parents in particular left three young children home alone whilst they were having their evening meal, and wining and dining. It needs to be established, exactly 'when that group member' made 'that entry in the 'small reception' diary..

The set up, involving which group members were leaving 'their own children' UNSUPERVISED back in their respective apartment(s), was 'no unfortunate factor', which ever 'placed a focus of any parents child' (that) left alone in their respective family apartments...

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 24, 2022, 08:38:PM
There is another glaring clue, in the fact that a member of the group [named in Kates book] who made an entry in the small reception diary, regarding the fact that the 'McCann parents' were leaving their three young children home alone whilst they were having their evening meal, and wining and dining. It needs to be established, exactly when that group member made that entry in the diary

'me thinks', the entry was recorded on the day that 'Madeleine McCann' set out on a journey to meet her inevitable fate.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 27, 2022, 05:27:AM
'me thinks', the entry was recorded on the day that 'Madeleine McCann' set out on a journey to meet her inevitable fate.

Who actually made this / that pertinent entry in the small reception area of the 'OCEAN CLUB' diary?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 27, 2022, 11:38:AM
Who actually made this / that pertinent entry in the small reception area of the 'OCEAN CLUB' diary?
Why don't we see, an 'image' of 'the relevant handwritten entry' and 'other entries', in the same 'Ocean Club' diary [at least 'three consecutive page entries'] so that we can annalise, and put 'everything into its proper perspective', sequencially! 'Why not'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on January 28, 2022, 11:14:AM
Please, those of you who have fallen into the age old trap [2022 years ago] in believing what is (actually 'preached) in the bible', or let's just say 'one version', or those [different accounts or versions, [in whatever] (interpretation) the message is received by any individual...

'GOOD' versus 'EVIL'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on January 30, 2022, 09:50:AM
"The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann “repeatedly worked” at the holiday apartments in Portugal where the child vanished, documentary makers can reveal.

Christian Brueckner was said to have been employed by a company that carried out repairs at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz shortly before the three-year-old British girl disappeared in 2007."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/30/paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-mccann-had-worked-apartments/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/30/paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-mccann-had-worked-apartments/)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on January 30, 2022, 12:44:PM
Pat Brown doesn't think much of the McCanns. https://youtu.be/PD8OlQqRhT8





And I don't think much of her either---Pat Brown, that is.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 30, 2022, 05:31:PM
"The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann “repeatedly worked” at the holiday apartments in Portugal where the child vanished, documentary makers can reveal.

Christian Brueckner was said to have been employed by a company that carried out repairs at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz shortly before the three-year-old British girl disappeared in 2007."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/30/paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-mccann-had-worked-apartments/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/30/paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-mccann-had-worked-apartments/)
Though interesting it's still not conclusive proof, is it..https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17487361/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-repairman-ocean-club/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on January 30, 2022, 06:09:PM
Amaral still running with a 'simulated' disappearance.

https://www.portugalresident.com/goncalo-amaral-is-back-pointing-finger-squarely-at-madeleine-mccanns-parents/

I supposed he has invested so much in it, that he has no other choice.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on January 30, 2022, 06:13:PM
Claims about the witness who has fingered the current German suspect.

https://www.portugalresident.com/maddie-suspects-lawyer-says-case-against-client-built-from-worst-witness-you-can-get/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on January 31, 2022, 11:44:AM
"The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann “repeatedly worked” at the holiday apartments in Portugal where the child vanished, documentary makers can reveal.

Christian Brueckner was said to have been employed by a company that carried out repairs at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz shortly before the three-year-old British girl disappeared in 2007."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/30/paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-mccann-had-worked-apartments/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/30/paedophile-suspected-abducting-madeleine-mccann-had-worked-apartments/)

If he "repeatedly worked" at Ocean Club it begs the question how its only recently come to light despite the MET spending about 13 million investigating over nearly 9 years and the PJ carrying out 2 investigations which were among the longest in its history.  Couldn't possibly be anything to do with documentary makers enticing viewers could it!?

How would Brueckner know Madeleine and her younger siblings were being left alone every evening from 8.30pm to 11.30pm in the UNLOCKED apartment? 

The person(s) who abuduced Madeleine gleaned intelligence of the McCann's MO and seized the opportunity.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on January 31, 2022, 05:05:PM
Amaral still running with a 'simulated' disappearance.

https://www.portugalresident.com/goncalo-amaral-is-back-pointing-finger-squarely-at-madeleine-mccanns-parents/

I supposed he has invested so much in it, that he has no other choice.

Amaral will continue to expand his ludicrous theory to even greater levels of lunacy in order to explain any further developments.

The guy is a disgrace. During his career, not only was he caught manufacturing false evidence, he was put in-charge of three missing children's cases (Including  Madeline) and found none of them. He should never have been employed in such a position.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on January 31, 2022, 05:08:PM
Amaral will continue to expand his ludicrous theory to even greater levels of lunacy in order to explain any further develops.

The guy is a disgrace. During his career, not only was he caught manufacturing false evidence, he was put in-charge of three missing children's cases (Including  Madeline) and found none of them. He should never have been in employed in such a position.

I think you'll find the Portuguese feel very differently. As one television presenter said, while generically addressing the UK press and authorities.. "we are not stupid".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on January 31, 2022, 05:27:PM
Blood's always thicker than water Roch.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 31, 2022, 06:11:PM
Amaral will continue to expand his ludicrous theory to even greater levels of lunacy in order to explain any further developments.

The guy is a disgrace. During his career, not only was he caught manufacturing false evidence, he was put in-charge of three missing children's cases (Including  Madeline) and found none of them. He should never have been employed in such a position.
You have to take every case separately. He has just as much right to his point of view as anyone else. https://www.portugalresident.com/goncalo-amaral-is-back-pointing-finger-squarely-at-madeleine-mccanns-parents/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: JackieD on February 01, 2022, 01:52:PM
Mobile phone data from the night Madeleine McCann disappeared puts the prime suspect ‘no more than five minutes away’ from where the toddler vanished, it has been claimed.

Christian Brueckner, 44, was named in June 2020 as German prosecutors’ main suspect in the Madeleine case.

The three-year-old disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, and has not been seen since.

Brueckner is currently serving time in a German prison for a number of sex and drug offences. Ever since he was identified as a suspect, he has repeatedly denied any involvement in the case.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2022, 05:26:PM
Mobile phone data from the night Madeleine McCann disappeared puts the prime suspect ‘no more than five minutes away’ from where the toddler vanished, it has been claimed.

Christian Brueckner, 44, was named in June 2020 as German prosecutors’ main suspect in the Madeleine case.

The three-year-old disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, and has not been seen since.

Brueckner is currently serving time in a German prison for a number of sex and drug offences. Ever since he was identified as a suspect, he has repeatedly denied any involvement in the case.

The case will never be solved until the suggestion that 'Madeleine McCann' went missing  sometime between 9pm and 10.00, on the evening of the '3rd May 2007' that premis made by family and friends, is false and fabricated! Everything beleiveable points to, and indicates, that for 'one reason or another', the parents of the victim, made arrangements for 'Madeleine' and their 'two twin' siblings, to be 'looked after', and 'cared for', by 'people' and 'persons', whilst the parents and some of their associates visited 'CHAPLINS BAR' after 10. 30pm, on the evening of the 1st May 2007. Furthermore, a parent (or both) revisited 'CHAPLINS BAR' on the following evening [`2nd May 2007'] asking for those who were, or could be involved in the ['unreturn'] the safe return and custody, of their daughter from the despicable mob who took her on the previous evening...

Everything points to 'Madeleine' having been taken `as early as the evening` of `1st May 2007`, once `the parents left the tapas restaurant bar at around 10.30pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007`, and that `the parents knew` and `know the identity of the person` or `people`, who `they arranged to check on their three siblings`, that `particular evening` - my suggestion to anyone who is remotely interested in uncovering the absolute truth regarding this matter, is `whether or not`, it was `one member` (or more) from `their own group`, or `a member of the Ocean Club staff` [at reception] who were `entrusted with keeping an eye on` the three 'McCann children' on the evening of the `1st May 2007` [or `a mixture`, of `group members`, and `Ocean Club Staff members`], when for `whatever purpose` or `reason` [that] `both` of the 'McCann parents' left `the Ocean club' tapas restaurant bar, at around `10.30pm` (or, thereabouts) on the evening of the '1st May 2007', and visited 'CHAPLINS BAR' which is 'conveniently located' in 'close proximity of (to) the local church', (also) 'the derelict building' located 'directly opposite on the same street', and  'in the region of the nearby beach'!

What 'I am certain of', as much as 'I can be', is that on the following evening ('2nd May 2007') was 'that' only 'Gerald McCann' revisited 'CHAPLINS BAR' [ and 'that he did so' after the pre-booked evening meal' at 'the Ocean Club restaurant' bar] of/on that occasion, and that 'Kate McCann', went 'back to the family apartment' at '5A'[apartment block 5] and that 'she slept alone' in 'a spare bed in the children's bedroom' (whilst her 'erstwhile husband' had 'gone off' to `deal with the matter` of 'trying to get their daughter [Madeleine] ¿back', unharmed)!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 08, 2022, 10:57:PM
At least two different suspects were seen acting suspiciously on the evenings of the 1st and 2nd May 2007, both of these suspects could have been the two suspects who went visiting apartments asking for  charity donation on days prior to the 3rd May 2007...

One suspect was seen acting suspiciously using a mobile phone, outside and inside a public telephone box, seen on evening of 1st and 2nd May 2007, was obviously in contact with a possible accomplice. The second suspect was seen on two separate occasions close to the 'McCann Apartment', once seen leanining against the wall of an alleyway, peering in the general direction of the patio door of apartment 5A. On a second occasion the same suspect was stood with his back against a garden wall belonging to apartment block 6, looking across the road in the direction of the entrance (beyond a gate and a set of concrete steps which led up to the patio and its sliding glass door of the 'McCann apartment...

Rather curiously, neither suspect was seen acting suspiciously in those areas on 3rd May 2007, or any day thereafter...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2022, 09:39:AM
At least two different suspects were seen acting suspiciously on the evenings of the 1st and 2nd May 2007, both of these suspects could have been the two suspects who went visiting apartments asking for  charity donation on days prior to the 3rd May 2007...

One suspect was seen acting suspiciously using a mobile phone, outside and inside a public telephone box, seen on evening of 1st and 2nd May 2007, was obviously in contact with a possible accomplice.

Here is the actual public telephone kiosk, around and inside of which, one of the suspects was observed behaving oddly on the evenings of the 1st and 2nd May 2007...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2022, 10:09:AM
Here is the actual public telephone kiosk, around and inside of which, one of the suspects was observed behaving oddly on the evenings of the 1st and 2nd May 2007...

This public kiosk is very near to other places of interest where premises were visited, and left, on three consecutive evenings [1st, 2nd and 3rd May 2007]. Places and premises which are of interest to any police investigation, as follows:-

The public phone kiosk

Kelly's Bar

The Smith contingent sighting of a man seen carrying a child at about 10pm on the evening of the 3rd May 2007, after they had left 'Kelly's bar' [ the actual sighting(s) took place near to the 'LUZDOC' facility

The 'Black Bull' public house, which has an outdoor veranda via which anyone can easily access the rear garden of the 'Derelict Building' where I am as certain as I can be, that 'Madeleine McCann' was taken to. This derelict building is situated directly across the street from the village church, where the McCann parents sought refuge during the early days of them reporting the disappearance of their daughter ['Madeleine'] on the evening of the 3rd May 2007].

'Chaplins Bar'  where the 'McCann parents' revelled (until) after 10.30pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007 - linked to this fact is the information provided to the police [`Mrs Fell'] that between about 10.30pm and 11.45pm, on the evening of '1st May 2007' she had heard a child crying somewhat hysterically, with no-one coming or going to the child's distress, until at about 11.45pm that same evening, how the witness had overheard the sliding door to the apartment below [the 'McCann family apartment] which coincided with the child ceasing from crying, and calling out' Daddy' and all became quite.

The real reason why 'Kate McCann' slept in a spare bed in the children's bedroom on and overnight (2nd /3rd May 2007)? Also, the apparent discrepancy between the 'McCann parents' recollection or assertion that 'Madeleine' did not mention any crying episode until breakfast time of the 3rd May 2007 (the morning of the very same day that 'The parents announced their daughters disappearance and that there existed contradictory information regarding the evening which' Mrs Fenn' recounted [that the only crying episode she heard, was on the late evening of the 1st May 2007]? Was it or is it, at all possible, that there had (in fact) been two crying episodes involving Madeleine, on on the evening of 1st May 2007, and another crying episode, involving two of the 'McCann parents', children. For example, where 'Mrs Fell' only heard a small child crying on the 1st May 2007, as opposed to the 'McCann parents, having had it stated to them at breakfast time on the morning of her disappearance [3rd May 2007], how' Madeleine ' had introduced the fact [to both parents] that both herself and one of the other toddlers had been crying overnight, late evening of the 2nd and the early hours of the following day, the 3rd May 2007. The parents have dug a big hole for themselves by falsely introducing the two crying children, and doing so as allegedly told to them by 'Madeleine' at Breakfast time on the morning of her alleged disappearance [3rd May 2007]  because 'Madeleine' did not sleep in the kids bedroom during the evening of the 2nd May 2007, or the early morning of 3rd May 2007, By reliance upon a number of telling factors, that they have refused to offer or to give proper and reasonable answers, for example, at what time did 'Kate McCann' return to apartment 5A, on the evening of the 2nd May 2007, or as the case may be, during the early hours of the 3rd May 2007? Moreover, where had she been on the evening of 2nd May 2007? And, who was she with? WAS IT TRUE, that she and her husband, had ceremoniously gone to the Ocean Club tapas restaurant for the nightly evening meal together? Now, there are a lot of very puzzling configurations which need to be properly investigated by any fresh police investigation, one such puzzle, concerns no member of the 'OCEAN Club' staff, states what time 'the McCann parents' arrived for their so called regular as clock work evening meal, or for that matter, what time, one or other, or both of them had left to return back to their apartment [`5A'] or some other unreported destination? Did, 'Kate' return back to their apartment, whilst 'Gerald' went down to Chaplin bar to try to secure the safe return of 'Madeleine'? There are other significant inconsistencies, which suggests to me, that the script by which the parents and their friends have chosen to introduce, an overall script which does not stand up to scrutiny or truthfulness...


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 09, 2022, 04:19:PM
The 'McCann parents' know the name of the person, or persons, who they entrusted the safety and well being of their three children, to enable them to visit 'Chaplins Bar' after completion of their evening meal at the 'OCEAN Club tapas restaurant' at around 10.30pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007. It is a fact, that not all adult members of the overall tapas 9 group went to 'Chaplins Bar', on 'that particular evening', and that the 'McCann parents' felt 'confident that any such volunteer(s)' who 'had promised', or 'said that they would check on their children' vowing 'to carry out regular checks' at or 'in apartment 5A', whilst the 'McCann parents' were 'absent', would be 'dutifully carried out'. It is also possible, that - although 'the parents were aware of' the 'OCEAN CLUB' babysitting service, that maybe they 'did not commit fully' to 'the total benefits' of 'such a full service'. But, instead, (as 'it appears to have turned out') made some sort of an (indirect) 'agreement' or 'arrangement' with 'the babysitting support System' affiliated with/to the  'Ocean Club listening services' [policy], on the basis that `a member`, or `members`, explaining that whilst the 'McCann parents' were `absent from the grounds of block five`, in particular, `apartment 5A` at the resort, that `other good friends` who were (all) adult members of the tapas 9 group, would almost certainly without question, at 'regular half hourly', or 'hourly intervals', that 'there might arise' or be 'any cause for concern', with the late hour that the ' McCann parents' might 'not return in good time' to 'manage the looking after' of 'their own children', which might have resulted in 'checks' (which ordinarily might have not all been expected to have lasted all night long! As a result, I believe it possible, that 'any adult member' of the 9 strong 'tapas group', went and 'spoke to a member'  of the 'Ocean Club staff' working 'in' and 'at' the small 'reception entrance' and reported that 'they could not go all night long' without any 'sleep', waiting for the 'McCann parents' to 'return to apartment 5A' and that 'due to the late hour' of the intended possibility that 'the McCann parents' might 'be absent all night long', the 'volunteer group member' who had 'inadvertently promised to keep checking apartment 5A' , and 'the McCann children' asked a member of staff to make an entry into the small reception diary, if [whether, or not] `someone working in the capacity` and terms [agreement] on offer by them, (babysitting service) to make regular half hourly checks of the 'McCann apartment' and 'their three siblings', from around 11.30pm ( that same evening) until 'such a time' regarding' the return of the parents' from their visit to ' Chaplins Bar'..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 10:16:PM
.. I believe it possible, that 'any adult member' of the 9 strong 'tapas group', went and 'spoke to a member'  of the 'Ocean Club staff' working 'in' and 'at' the small 'reception entrance' and reported that 'they could not go all night long' without any 'sleep', waiting for the 'McCann parents' to 'return to apartment 5A' and that 'due to the late hour' of the intended possibility that 'the McCann parents' might 'be absent all night long', the 'volunteer group member' who had 'inadvertently promised to keep checking apartment 5A' , and 'the McCann children' asked a member of staff to make an entry into the small reception diary, if [whether, or not] `someone working in the capacity` and terms [agreement] on offer by them, (babysitting service) to make regular half hourly checks of the 'McCann apartment' and 'their three siblings', from around 11.30pm ( that same evening) until 'such a time' regarding' the return of the parents' from their visit to ' Chaplins Bar'..
So, 'WHO WAS' / 'IS RESPONSIBLE', for the entry made in the diary at 'the small reception' of the 'OCEAN Club' - 'when was the entry made in the diary', 'which member of staff', and 'whose handwriting is the entry made in' or 'by'? On which page of the relevant small reception diary, was this information recorded? How come, there is not as yet, any photograph or image of the information recorded in the said diary? Furthermore, what is (the) other information recorded on the same page, (also) on the previous page, and the subsequent page [either page, before and after the page where the information regarding the reservation of / for [a] dining table(s) because 'they' were leaving the children alone back in their apartments nearby]? Which guests were leaving their children at risk (unprotected)? Was or is their any reference to a particular family [such as 'The McCanns'] or was the information recorded generally covering all families [and all the children], belonging (collectively) to all 9 adult members of the so called 'tapas 9 group'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 10:50:PM
Which guests were leaving their children at risk (unprotected)? Was or is their any reference to a particular family [such as 'The McCanns'] or was the information recorded generally covering all families [and all the children], belonging (collectively) to all 9 adult members of the so called 'tapas 9 group'?
Why wasn't the information given that was recorded in [that version] the small reception diary, acted upon by 'any' or 'all members of staff' working for, and 'in the best interests' of the 'OCEAN CLUB' and 'families' [the welfare of vulnerable young children', and (of course) toddlers, [being, as it were] somewhat, rather 'astonishingly', we're 'left home alone' at 'risk' or 'peril of a disaster' waiting to 'happen']?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 10:59:PM
.. [the welfare of vulnerable young children', and (of course) toddlers, [being, 'as it were'] somewhat, rather 'astonishingly', we're 'left home alone' (back in the various apartments at block 5) at 'risk' or 'peril of a disaster' waiting to 'happen']?

None of the adult members of the 'tapas 9 group' with children in tow (on that vacation) took up the offer of the babysitting [listening, or checking] service available to them, upon arrival [and right up until their collective or individual family unit] or their subsequent departure(s) from the resort...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 11:04:PM
What action (if any) was taken by 'Ocean Club staff' to investigate the information recorded inside the small reception diary, which requested a block booking of dining tables [`Each evening consecutively'] for the 9 adult members of the group, by `a reliance upon the reason given`, for `the request from the adult families of the tapas 9 group`?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 11:11:PM
What action (if any) was taken by 'Ocean Club staff' to investigate the information recorded inside the small reception diary, which requested a block booking of dining tables [`Each evening consecutively'] for the 9 adult members of the group, by `a reliance upon the reason given`, for `the request from the adult families of the tapas 9 group`?

When was this request activated, and how many consecutive evenings, did the 9 adult members of the 'tapas 9 group' receive the benefit of a block  [dining table] booking?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 11:14:PM
When was this request activated, and how many consecutive evenings, did the 9 adult members of the 'tapas 9 group' receive the benefit of a block  [dining table] booking?

Did each adult member of the group, attend evening meal on all evenings covering all of the booked table(s) arrangement(s) including evenings after the 'McCann parents, alerted to the fact that' Madeleine' had been taken [evening of the 3rd May 2007]?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 11:18:PM
When was this request activated, and how many consecutive evenings, did the 9 adult members of the 'tapas 9 group' receive the benefit of a block  [dining table] booking?

Which member of the 'OCEAN Club' staff, 'granted the request' for the group of 9 adult members of the tapas 9 mob, to be allowed to book a table(s) on each consecutive evening of their trip to the resort?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 10, 2022, 11:31:PM
Which member of the 'OCEAN Club' staff, 'granted the request' for the group of 9 adult members of the tapas 9 mob, to be allowed to book a table(s) on each consecutive evening of their trip to the resort?
Did 'that arrangement' continue on every evening once (after) the alert [that 'Madeleine' had been taken'] was introduced at around 10pm, on the evening of the '3rd May 2007'? In other words, 'how utterly astonishing' that 'the wider public at large' have 'not heard any details', or 'seen any information' regarding 'the eating habits of the 9 adults' from the evening of the 3rd May 2007[onwards] throughout the remaining period of the (collective) holiday?

Are we to believe, that 'none of the 9 adult members of the same group' enjoyed evening meal(s) in accordance with pre-booked dining tables on any occasion 'after the evening' of the '3rd May 2007'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 01:58:AM

Are we to believe, that 'none of the 9 adult members of the same group' enjoyed evening meal(s) in accordance with pre-booked dining tables on any occasion 'after the evening' of the '3rd May 2007'?

Back to the issue of the foreboding entry in the small reception diary, how do any of us know, whether or not, it was not in existence at the time 'Madeleine McCann' went missing (?) in real time (at around 11.45pm, on the evening of the 1st May 2007), for example, at the alleged period between 9pm - 10pm, on the evening of 3rd May 2007?

Has the diary, containing those details, been compiled much later, and if so, where is the original small reception diary that existed during the entire period of all 9 adult members stay in apartments (block 5) at 'the Ocean club'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 09:40:AM
Was it (or), is it the case, that 'only members of staff' could 'make entries into the small reception diary', and if so 'all entries in it covering the period of 30th April 2007' until 'the 4th May 2007', need to be 'investigated', and tied in with 'whether or not' the person responsible for making any of the diary entries was [in fact] on duty at the 'OCEAN Club' on the corresponding occasions...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 10:16:AM
I am also skeptical about the authenticity of the creche records covering from the 1st May 2007 until the close of business on the 3rd May 2007 - there exist too many inconsistencies, contradictions and ambiguous details in the ones made available to the public. There is / are also incomplete records for all evenings from the 30th April 2007 until after the 4th May 2007, concerning who was present at / in the tapas restaurant for evening meal..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 10:23:AM
I am alerted as to why there was an extra single bed, in the children's bedroom of the 'McCann apartment' (5A). Why would there be two single beds, and two cots, in the children's bedroom, and a double bed for the `McCann parents' bedroom  providing sleeping accommodation for six guests, when there were only five members of the 'McCann family' on vacation?

Was there an additional guest staying at one time or another with the children, that we are not being told about? If so, was it one member of the 9 adult members from their group? Or, someone else, whose identity is being kept secret?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 10:33:AM
It also troubles me, as to what happened to the sports holdall which was captured inside a wardrobe (cupboard) of the 'McCann parents' bedroom, the size of which a child's body [the size of Madeleine] could have been concealed inside and used at some later stage to move the body of their daughter, or other incriminating evidence..

So, why is it, that neither parent has given an account as to what happened to it (or as to where it is)?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 10:50:AM
Another oddity which concerns me, is why would the mother [Kate McCann] wash the bed sheet of the single bed that 'Madeleine' had supposedly slept in (each night) since the day of their arrival until (so we are all led to believe) the last time the parents claim was the very last occasion that 'Madeleine' had slept in it, there [ night of the 2nd May 2007]?

The mother, even washed 'Madeleines' cuddle cat 'toy' at the same time ( which puzzles me greatly - I mean, 'Madeleine' had only slept in that single bed two or three times since the family arrived in the resort?

Was it because 'the apartment maids' routinely swapped over the bedding and pillow cases of all beds and cots on the same day of the week? Just to put things into perspective - when I stayed in the apartment (block 6, apartment 6A) at the 'OCEAN Club, in' June, 2010' the 'OCEAN Club' maids routinely changed all the bedsheets and pillow cases on the same day of each week  (irrespective of whether you had arrived there a day beforehand)! Moreover, guests were not expected to wash the bedsheets and pillows of beds and cots, the maids took the bedsheets and pillow cases away, and replaced these with clean and fresh ones! So, why did 'Kate McCann' wash the bed sheet and cuddle cat, on a day after they had reported 'Madeleine' taken?

Nobody takes their own bedsheets, blankets and pillowcases, on Holiday with them when they go to a holiday venue - everything is provided, depending upon which deal a customer signs up to (you get the bedsheets, blankets, pillowcases, and towels, thrown in with whatever deal you signed up to, or paid..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 11:08:AM

Nobody takes their own bedsheets, blankets and pillowcases, on Holiday with them when they go to a holiday venue - everything is provided, depending upon which deal a customer signs up to (you get the bedsheets, blankets, pillowcases, and towels, thrown in with whatever deal you signed up to, or paid..

Where did the bed sheet, blankets and pillow case come from to accommodate 'Kate McCanns' sleepover in the spare single bed in the children's bedroom on the evening of the 2nd May 2007? Why would the apartment maids, put clean bedsheets, blankets and a pillow case of a spare single bed in the children's bedroom of apartment 5A, if there were only five guests staying there, as would be stated in their remit?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 11:17:AM
And then, of course, there is the matter, of the first time that the 'McCann parents' and their entourage of three children, who never went for breakfast (again) after the 1st May 2007, by a reliance upon the claim that the restaurant where breakfast was served each morning was too far away to travel to. So, according to the 'McCann parents' they ate breakfast back at apartment 5A, and purchased foodstuffs from a nearby supermarket' (from the 2nd May 2007, onward) - this would mean, that they had to purchase those goods and pay for them, either by credit card, or cash.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 11:24:AM
And then, of course, there is the matter, of the first time that the 'McCann parents' and their entourage of three children, who never went for breakfast (again) after the 1st May 2007,

Other adult members of the group who also had children in tow, still went and attended the same restaurant where each day they were served with a breakfast, the guests had already paid for in their holiday deal...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 11:37:AM
.. So, according to the 'McCann parents' they ate breakfast back at apartment 5A, and purchased foodstuffs from a nearby supermarket' (from the 2nd May 2007, onward) - this would mean, that they had to purchase those goods and pay for them, either by credit card, or cash.

Why haven't the police investigated what food stuffs, and medications were purchased at the supermarket, and or at least two local chemist premises in close proximity to the apartment block (5) where the 'McCann parents' and 'their three sibling children' were staying '[Ocean Club]?

As a point of interest, the location of the two local chemist premises feature prominently in the circumstances of this case. Since, the first one I shall draw attention too, is' LUZDOC' which is situated at the scene where the 'Smith family' saw a man carrying a child in his arms..

The location of the second chemist shop, can be found close to the village church, a derelict building, Chaplins bar, Kelly's Bar and the sea...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 11, 2022, 11:43:AM
Did either of the 'McCann parents' purchase any sedative medication from either of these two chemist premises, if so what did they buy? Did any other member of the group purchase sedatives which could have been used to sedate 'Madeleine' and her two siblings during the holiday?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 13, 2022, 10:14:PM
For what it's worth to 'all non-believers', I truly and sincerely believe that `Madeleine McCann' is dead! She was abused and slaughtered inside the derelict building [across the street from the village church) 'No. 5 Ave dos Pescadores'. At the present time, no-one should be eliminated from a possible involvement, in her abuse, injury or death...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 13, 2022, 10:25:PM
For what it's worth to 'all non-believers', I truly and sincerely believe that `Madeleine McCann' is dead! She was abused and slaughtered inside the derelict building [across the street from the village church) 'No. 5 Ave des Pescadores'. At the present time, no-one should be eliminated from a possible involvement, in her abuse, injury or death...

'She Is dead', so, exactly 'when did she die', or 'when was She killed' - the  'McCann parents' are 'fully aware of the circumstances' regarding how 'SHE' died, and how 'parts of her body' were 'disposed of' ...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 13, 2022, 10:33:PM
'She Is dead', so, exactly 'when did she die', or 'when was She killed' - the  'McCann parents' are 'fully aware of the circumstances' regarding how 'SHE' died, and how 'parts of her body' were 'disposed of' ...

It's time for all those involved, to start coming forward and approach either one of the Portuguese, German or the relevant agency of the UK police authorities...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 17, 2022, 06:33:AM
The 'McCann parents' know full well, that their daughter ['Madeleine'] is dead - 'they were duped' into believing that there was 'something of a chance', that 'Madeleine might still be alive', when 'if the truth be known', she had been 'raped and abused', and killed off (sacrificed) by those [them] who took her...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2022, 08:02:AM
The 'McCann parents' know full well, that their daughter ['Madeleine'] is dead - 'they were duped' into believing that there was 'something of a chance', that 'Madeleine might still be alive', when 'if the truth be known', she had been 'raped and abused', and killed off (sacrificed) by those [them] who took her...

Please, bear in mind the choice of words used by 'Kate McCann' when she returned to the tapas bar restaurant shortly after 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007 - 'THEY HAVE TAKEN HER' and 'MADDIES GONE'...

Why or how could she have known that there was more than one person involved in their daughters disappearance? Who could possibly be 'They'?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 22, 2022, 10:01:AM
Please, bear in mind the choice of words used by 'Kate McCann' when she returned to the tapas bar restaurant shortly after 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007 - 'THEY HAVE TAKEN HER' and 'MADDIES GONE'...

Why or how could she have known that there was more than one person involved in their daughters disappearance? Who could possibly be 'They'?
16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/maddie-mccann-mystery-the-48-police-questions-kate-mccann-didnt-answer/ZEE2L676OPMWLRUFL3XOMWTCLU/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on February 22, 2022, 10:15:AM
16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/maddie-mccann-mystery-the-48-police-questions-kate-mccann-didnt-answer/ZEE2L676OPMWLRUFL3XOMWTCLU/

If you take 3 young children, all under 3 years of age, away on a 'family' holiday and then decide to go out every evening, eating and drinking, to a nearby bar/restaurant leaving the children home alone, completely unsupervised, in an unlocked holiday apartment and then find the eldest child missing I think most would consider 'we let her down' quite fitting?  I would say its somewhat of an understatement and gross negligence is more fitting. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 22, 2022, 04:24:PM
If you take 3 young children, all under 3 years of age, away on a 'family' holiday and then decide to go out every evening, eating and drinking, to a nearby bar/restaurant leaving the children home alone, completely unsupervised, in an unlocked holiday apartment and then find the eldest child missing I think most would consider 'we let her down' quite fitting?  I would say its somewhat of an understatement and gross negligence is more fitting.

'She is dead', both parents 'know it', lots of 'other decent members of the public' suspect that 'Madeleine' is 'dead', who 'will fight tooth and nail', to 'prevent any lying bastard' getting awarded 'a single penny' (not '2p') and let me be clear about 'what I am about to say next'! - before embarking upon this supposed holiday break, both parents 'knew of the risks involved' regarding their daughter [`Madeleine '], they [the parents] are in' my opinion', 'fucking horrible bastards'!  'If' I am wrong, let 'the lousy bastards sue me', for 'the greedy amount of 2p' [oh, 'yes', I have made provisions, for such an outcome - 'a 1p (coin)at the entrance of the front and back door of the property where I reside. Please, be 'reassured', that 'I will' fight 'tooth and nail' to prevent any 'lying', 'good for nothing', 'scumbag' obtaining from me, 1p or 2p of my legitimate (lawful) income..

The 'McCann parents have lied, and are ' not telling us the truth'...

Of course, 'you can choose to believe what the powers that be, might wish to saturate your mind with alsorts of untruths' or 'misinformation'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on February 23, 2022, 07:59:PM
'She is dead', both parents 'know it', lots of 'other decent members of the public' suspect that 'Madeleine' is 'dead', who 'will fight tooth and nail', to 'prevent any lying bastard' getting awarded 'a single penny' (not '2p' and let me be clear about 'what I am about to say next'! - before embarking upon this supposed holiday break, both parents 'knew of the risks involved' regarding their daughter [`Madeleine '], they [the parents] are in' my opinion', 'fucking horrible bastards'!  'If' I am wrong, let 'the lousy bastards sue me', for 'the greedy amount of 2p' [oh, 'yes', I have made provisions, for such an outcome - 'a 1p (coin)at the entrance of the front and back door of the property where I reside. Please, be 'reassured', that 'I will' fight 'tooth and nail' to prevent any 'lying', 'good for nothing', 'scumbag' obtaining from me, 1p or 2p of my legitimate (lawful) income..

The 'McCann parents have lied, and are ' not telling us the truth'...

Of course, 'you can choose to believe what the powers that be, might wish to saturate your mind with alsorts of untruths' or 'misinformation'...

If 'Madeleine' was still alive, and living happily [elsewhere], 'she' would be 'old enough  (by now) to make at the very least, one phone call [or send a text message] to 'the parents that borned her', unless of course, 'Gerald McCann' was 'not', and 'is not' the paternal father of this young child....

I am learning more and more, about the system of procreation  indoctrination, please consider the following scenario - that there are some amongst us, who cannot contribute to the 'borning of a child'. Almost certainly, these people, revert or resort to expounding other plans of action...

The 'Royal Family' In particular are at the head of this resolution, where male members from 'Prince Phillip', 'Prince Charles' and 'Prince Andrew' have 'fallen foul to'...
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2022, 11:14:AM
Apparently Operation Grange is to closed down soon.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cambridgecutie on March 21, 2022, 11:40:AM
Apparently Operation Grange is to closed down soon.

I read OG is to receive a further grant from the HO and then wrap up around autumn.  I never believed the CB theory would go anywhere.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2022, 12:48:PM
I read OG is to receive a further grant from the HO and then wrap up around autumn.  I never believed the CB theory would go anywhere.

What was your reasoning behind your CB theory doubts?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 23, 2022, 10:08:PM
Apparently Operation Grange is to closed down soon.
Yes and a good thing too for British taxpayers. If the McCanns wish to spend their own funds on hiring private investigators then that's up to them.  https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1584735/Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-portugal-praia-de-luz
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on March 24, 2022, 08:50:AM
16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/maddie-mccann-mystery-the-48-police-questions-kate-mccann-didnt-answer/ZEE2L676OPMWLRUFL3XOMWTCLU/






By having the audacity to go dining and enjoying themselves leaving behind, alone, 3 children. A punishable offence-----though sadly, this is their everlasting punishment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on March 29, 2022, 06:14:PM





By having the audacity to go dining and enjoying themselves leaving behind, alone, 3 children. A punishable offence-----though sadly, this is their everlasting punishment.
'YES', and 'suffer' that 'they must', and 'will', 'endure' - the point 'I would like to say', is that 'I think the parents know the identity of a person', or 'persons', who 'collected', or 'took' or 'who was supposed to be keeping an eye on the twins' and 'their daughter', 'Madeleline', on 'the evening that she supposedly disappeared'!

I think 'David Payne' and 'Russel O' Brien, both played a role in ' Madeleine McCanns' vanishing act!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 02, 2022, 10:29:PM
A friend of Christian B speaks: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/pal-prime-madeleine-mccann-suspect-26616485
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 03, 2022, 09:16:PM
The Metropolitan police are bring to its conclusion their investigation shortly, after learning of the evidence gathered by their 'German' counterparts'! Everything now, rests with the 'Germam authorities'. The initial impression I get, is that 'the metropolitan police' are resigned to 'the imminent arrest and interviewing of some members of the tapas 9 group members', and 'other dodgy characters' who lived and operated in places like 'Praia De Luz'..

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/pal-prime-madeleine-mccann-suspect-26616485
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 17, 2022, 05:18:PM
There are 'two instances', which lead me to believe, that the so called abduction of 'Madeliene McCann' was 'known about in the minds of both parents', that they might never see their daughter again, if something went wrong with any part of the accepted agreement!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 21, 2022, 10:23:PM
German suspect has been made 'Arguido'.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 21, 2022, 11:24:PM
German suspect has been made 'Arguido'.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18334958/portuguese-detectives-christian-b-suspect-madeleine-mccann/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 22, 2022, 08:18:AM
If authorities know that it's him why haven't they named the " suspect  ?".
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 22, 2022, 10:02:AM
He'd been suspected from the beginning so why has it taken 15 years ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on April 22, 2022, 05:14:PM
He'd been suspected from the beginning so why has it taken 15 years ?

They knocked on his door but he wasn't home.   ::)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 22, 2022, 05:36:PM
They knocked on his door but he wasn't home.   ::)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8450247/Portuguese-police-tried-quiz-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-vanished.html)

That is actually a good Amaral article.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 22, 2022, 09:35:PM
Article from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/22/madeleine-mccann-suspects-latest-portugal
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on April 23, 2022, 10:15:AM
I formed an opinion on this case back in 2007 by looking at press and media reports and reading posts online that went into things in more detail.  I didn't spent long on it and haven't discussed the case much since because it has always been obvious to me that the abduction explanation is plausible.  The assertion made that abduction was "materially impossible" has never been supported by hard evidence.  If it were, the McCanns would be guilty.  As matters stand, the position is uncertain and I'm not inclined to comment further other than to say that since abduction cannot be ruled out, nobody can in good conscience pronounce the McCanns guilty. I also personally don't accept that they committed child neglect in the legal sense. 

When the German police started issuing statements about Christian Bruekner to the media, what they said was mistranslated in the Anglophone world.  They were not saying he absolutely was the murderer, only that there were grounds to move against him - a subtle but important difference.  I dislike the assumption that he is guilty as much as the castigation of the McCanns.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on April 23, 2022, 11:51:AM
I understood that DNA ( Madeleine's ?) had been found on his van that trumped the case against him ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 23, 2022, 12:46:PM
Are we now expected to believe, that both a blood dog and a cadavar dog just happened to separately alert in an apartment, where an infant had gone missing from.. and that these alerts were both false?

A cadavar dog will only alert for cadavar scent. A blood dog will only alert for blood scent.

Regarding the mathematical calculation of probability, what is the chance that two separate types of sniffer dogs would both alert, in an apartment where a child had gone missing from; and that those alerts were not linked to the missing child? I mean it's not impossible - but what odds would I get at Ladbrokes?

Regarding CB, he may have had involvement - or he may be being set up to take the rap, with the plan being that once and for all, the McCann's will be cleared of any taint regarding speculated involvement themselves.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on April 23, 2022, 01:29:PM
Are we now expected to believe, that both a blood dog and a cadavar dog just happened to separately alert in an apartment, where an infant had gone missing from.. and that these alerts were both false?

A cadavar dog will only alert for cadavar scent. A blood dog will only alert for blood scent.

Regarding the mathematical calculation of probability, what is the chance that two separate types of sniffer dogs would both alert, in an apartment where a child had gone missing from; and that those alerts were not linked to the missing child? I mean it's not impossible - but what odds would I get at Ladbrokes?

Regarding CB, he may have had involvement - or he may be being set up to take the rap, with the plan being that once and for all, the McCann's will be cleared of any taint regarding speculated involvement themselves.

Blood dog - she was staying in the apartment with her parents and siblings for a holiday, so simply detecting her blood, or any human blood, in the apartment establishes nothing of importance, assuming we can even rely on such a dog.  Had the police found blood patterns that indicated an assault, that would be different, but no such thing occurred.  As far as I am aware, none of her blood has even been seen or detected using forensic methods.

Cadaver dog - is the dog detecting a specific cadaver or cadavers in general?  If cadavers in general, then who is to say that nobody other than Madeleine McCann has died in that apartment or that articles and effects in the apartment have not come into contact with dead bodies other than Madeleine McCann?  Again, proves nothing.  If the cadaver dogs are somehow trained to detect the dynamic envelope of specific bodies, this also establishes nothing in legal terms.  As I think I have mentioned before, it's doubtful such evidence would be admissible in a criminal trial, in Portugal or England, because you can't cross-examine a dog.  A dog is an instinctual, highly trainable animal but not an automaton exactly, so the results will be inherently unreliable. 

What these dogs are doing is providing a guide to investigators.  Their main role is in searches rather than investigations per se.  It's similar to the role of drug dogs.  Nobody can be convicted of a drugs offence just because a dog starts barking at them.  The dog is pointing at something, but the evidence still has to be found, so what happens is that the officer then has to search the person or property, or both, under the auspice of (in England & Wales) 'reasonable suspicion', which is section 1 of PACE.  It's the dog's reaction that forms the basis of the reasonable suspicion - specifically, it is the fact that a trained dog has started barking when about your presence, which raises a reasonable basis for believing you may have drugs on your person.  However, if no drugs are found on your person, then that is the end of it.  I reiterate that you can't be taken to court just because you or your car, property or effects have been barked at by a dog.  I am not conversant with the criminal laws of Portugal, which in some respects are fundamentally different to ours, but the standard of proof is likely to be similar, so these observations will hold in Portugal too.

The drug dog analogy can be applied to the McCanns.  The reaction of dogs is an indication that evidence might be found in the apartment or in a car or whatever.  It raises suspicion and I expect this was one of the reasons they became Persons of Interest under judicial protection (arguidos).  But it is not hard evidence in itself.  You can't convict the McCanns of murder just because some dogs started barking.  You'd have to be barking to think like that.

We're still left in the position that there is no solid evidence to support the contention that abduction was 'materially impossible'.  Barking dogs makes no difference and I have not seen anything else that would assail the abduction theory.  That doesn't mean the McCanns are innocent, but in my view it does mean that we have no right to start casting aspersions on them.  They may be completely innocent and they remain innocent in law.  That being the case, why do people still keep acting like they're certain the McCanns are guilty of something?  What evidence do you have exactly?  I always ask this question and I never receive a convincing answer.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 23, 2022, 01:39:PM
Blood dog - she was staying in the apartment with her parents and siblings for a holiday, so simply detecting her blood, or any human blood, in the apartment establishes nothing of importance, assuming we can even rely on such a dog.  Had the police found blood patterns that indicated an assault, that would be different, but no such thing occurred.  As far as I am aware, none of her blood has even been seen or detected using forensic methods.

Cadaver dog - is the dog detecting a specific cadaver or cadavers in general?  If cadavers in general, then, who is to say that nobody has died in that apartment or that articles and effects in the apartment have not come into contact with dead bodies?  Again, proves nothing.  If the cadaver dogs are somehow trained to detect the dynamic envelope of specific bodies, this also establishes nothing in legal terms.  As I think I have mentioned before, it's doubtful such evidence would be admissible in a criminal trial, in Portugal or England, because you can't cross-examine a dog.  A dog is an instinctual, highly trainable animal but not an automaton exactly, so the results will be inherently unreliable. 

What these dogs are doing is providing a guide to investigators.  Their main role is in searches rather than investigations per se.  It's similar to the role of drug dogs.  Nobody can be convicted of a drugs offence just because a dog starts barking at them.  The dog is pointing at something, but the evidence still has to be found, so what happens is that the officer then has to search the person or property, or both, under the auspice of (in England & Wales) 'reasonable suspicion', which is section 1 of PACE.  It's the dog's reaction that forms the basis of the reasonable suspicion - specifically, it is the fact that a trained dog has started barking when about your presence, which raises a reasonable basis for believing you may have drugs on your person.  However, if no drugs are found on your person, then that is the end of it.  I reiterate that you can't be taken to court just because you or your car, property or effects have been barked at by a dog.  I am not conversant with the criminal laws of Portugal, which in some respects are fundamentally different to ours, but the standard of proof is likely to be similar, so these observations will hold in Portugal too.

The drug dog analogy can be applied to the McCanns.  The reaction of dogs is an indication that evidence might be found in the apartment or in a car or whatever.  It raises suspicion and I expect this was one of the reasons they became Persons of Interest under judicial protection (arguidos).  But it is not hard evidence in itself.  You can't convict the McCanns of murder just because some dogs started barking.  You'd have to be barking to think like that.

We're still left in the position that there is no solid evidence to support the contention that abduction was 'materially impossible'.  Barking dogs makes no difference and I have not seen anything else that would assail the abduction theory.  That doesn't mean the McCanns are innocent, but in my view, it does mean that we have no right to start casting aspersions on them.  They may be completely innocent and they remain innocent in law.  That being the case, why do people still keep acting like they're certain the McCanns are guilty of something?  What evidence do you have exactly?  I always ask this question and I never receive a convincing answer.

Maybe you're asking the wrong question. A taint of suspicion which is supported by two former senior officers is not proof of guilt. Nevertheless, it is not insignificant. My question of probability still stands. What are the odds that both alerts are unconnected to Maddie? If we want to really ramp up the probability, what chance that in addition, a 3rd alert to the boot of the hire car and door well, are also unconnected?

If I was a bookmaker, what odds would I offer?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: guest29835 on April 23, 2022, 01:52:PM
Maybe you're asking the wrong question. A taint of suspicion which is supported by two former senior officers is not proof of guilt. Nevertheless, it is not insignificant. My question of probability still stands. What are the odds that both alerts are unconnected to Maddie? If we want to really ramp up the probability, what chance that in addition, a 3rd alert to the boot of the hire car and door well, are also unconnected?

If I was a bookmaker, what odds would I offer?

I'm not asking the wrong question, I'm asking the right question: What evidence do you have that tells me abduction is 'materially impossible'?  If I were an examining magistrate or grand juror, or even a prosecutor, being asked to consider whether a case against the McCanns should proceed and they should be indicted on serious criminal charges, the very first thing I would say to the Portuguese judicial police is:

You say abduction is 'materially impossible'.  Please provide a summary bullet point list of the evidence that tells me this.  I don't need detail at this stage.  Just bullet points that tell me there is a case to answer.

If you think the McCanns are guilty, then give me the points.  If you can't give me the points, if it's just a 'feeling' you've got, or some big-brained conspiracy theory that has no structural support in facts and evidence, then I can dismiss everything you say on this topic as immature and irrational.  That's not to say I am approaching this with any feeling or being antagonistic or confrontational.  I have no stake in this.  But I'm not going to go round declaring people guilty just because I've got that 'feeling' about them or I have some sort of anti-Establishment agenda.  These are real people, let me remind you.

As for bookmakers, I've no idea what you're talking about.  I've just told you the factors that undermine the reliability of dogs and also why they have no place in executive decisions about criminal investigations.  These points go to probability.  You can't assess probabilities abstractly in the way you seem to think.  That's very naive of you.  Bookmakers and professional gamblers don't work like that.  They do their research and bring insight into it: for instance, they learn about equestrianism and the rudiments of everything from hippology to turf management and racecourse maintenance.  Same applies in whatever sport they are betting on at a serious level. 

This, too, is at a serious level.  Let's be serious.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on April 23, 2022, 02:37:PM
I'm not asking the wrong question, I'm asking the right question: What evidence do you have that tells me abduction is 'materially impossible'?  If I were an examining magistrate or grand juror, or even a prosecutor, being asked to consider whether a case against the McCanns should proceed and they should be indicted on serious criminal charges, the very first thing I would say to the Portuguese judicial police is:

You say abduction is 'materially impossible'.  Please provide a summary bullet point list of the evidence that tells me this.  I don't need detail at this stage.  Just bullet points that tell me there is a case to answer.

If you think the McCanns are guilty, then give me the points.  If you can't give me the points, if it's just a 'feeling' you've got, or some big-brained conspiracy theory that has no structural support in facts and evidence, then I can dismiss everything you say on this topic as immature and irrational.  That's not to say I am approaching this with any feeling or being antagonistic or confrontational.  I have no stake in this.  But I'm not going to go round declaring people guilty just because I've got that 'feeling' about them or I have some sort of anti-Establishment agenda.  These are real people, let me remind you.

As for bookmakers, I've no idea what you're talking about.  I've just told you the factors that undermine the reliability of dogs and also why they have no place in executive decisions about criminal investigations.  These points go to probability.  You can't assess probabilities abstractly in the way you seem to think.  That's very naive of you.  Bookmakers and professional gamblers don't work like that.  They do their research and bring insight into it: for instance, they learn about equestrianism and the rudiments of everything from hippology to turf management and racecourse maintenance.  Same applies in whatever sport they are betting on at a serious level. 

This, too, is at a serious level.  Let's be serious.

You've lost me here  ::). I will reply when I have time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on April 23, 2022, 05:23:PM
I just thought I would give my views on this case. For what it is worth I spent many months in the early naughties traveling aroung Portugal in our motor home. My brothers have properties further up the coast but we spent a lot of time on the Algarve.

When the case first hit the headlines I speculated that it might have been a 'weirdo' who was committing a burglary which went horribly wrong. I know not to judge a book by its cover but campsites in this area contained many Strange/suspicious  and unsavoury looking characters on these local campsites.

I speculated that he had accidentally killed her because (a) he could have clamped his hand over her face to stifle screams or cries and suffocated her. or (b) he broke her neck as she struggled to escape his grasp when she found him rummaging in the apartment. She was a fragile young thing from her photos.

Of course you may say I am making this theory up to fit the current news. I do not nor would I sink that low.

But the current suspect as has been said circumstantially looks like a good fit to me but that does not make him guilty. Given my previous thoughts this news seems to confirm my thinking.

 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 23, 2022, 08:14:PM
I just thought I would give my views on this case. For what it is worth I spent many months in the early naughties traveling aroung Portugal in our motor home. My brothers have properties further up the coast but we spent a lot of time on the Algarve.

When the case first hit the headlines I speculated that it might have been a 'weirdo' who was committing a burglary which went horribly wrong. I know not to judge a book by its cover but campsites in this area contained many Strange/suspicious  and unsavoury looking characters on these local campsites.

I speculated that he had accidentally killed her because (a) he could have clamped his hand over her face to stifle screams or cries and suffocated her. or (b) he broke her neck as she struggled to escape his grasp when she found him rummaging in the apartment. She was a fragile young thing from her photos.

Of course you may say I am making this theory up to fit the current news. I do not nor would I sink that low.

But the current suspect as has been said circumstantially looks like a good fit to me but that does not make him guilty. Given my previous thoughts this news seems to confirm my thinking.

 
Anybody who looks dispassionately at this case must acknowledge that Christian B is a good suspect. If Madeleine had died in the apartment one wonders why he didn't just leave the body there. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52937626
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on April 23, 2022, 08:28:PM
Anybody who looks dispassionately at this case must acknowledge that Christian B is a good suspect. If Madeleine had died in the apartment one wonders why he didn't just leave the body there. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52937626

DNA?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 25, 2022, 12:50:AM
Anybody who looks dispassionately at this case must acknowledge that Christian B is a good suspect. If Madeleine had died in the apartment one wonders why he didn't just leave the body there 'He' couldn't have left 'Madeliene McCanns' body 'there' on the 3rd May 2007, because 'she was (had been)' already collected' or 'taken' from the 'McCann' apartment, 'two days', or 'so' earlier, whilst 'her parents' were 'conveniently enjoying an extended break from parenthood' at 'Kelly's bar'  which was / is only 'a stones throw away from the village church' (where almost three days later, 'the parents were given unrestricted access' to 'it' and 'the derelict building', situated 'directly across the road', on the pretense that they were seeking to avoid media attention! . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52937626
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mike tesko on April 25, 2022, 01:11:AM
'Madeliene McCann' was already 'absent' from 'enjoying the natural company of her family' [ after around midnight] on the evening of the 1st May 2007 and being (physically) present inside the families apartment [`5A'] in/at the resort, whilst her parents were conveniently far away from their apartment enjoying themselves, whilst their three young children were all left 'home alone' with an unlocked patio door through which any interested person(s), or party, had got unrestricted access to apartment '5A', and any one of three children! It was this very same night, early hours of 2nd May (2007) that the McCann parents returned back to their apartment (tired and basically worn out') and 'Kate' chose not to sleep in the same bedroom, or the bed. She has since maintained, that she had slept in the children's bedroom, and that she was doing so, because of a snoring habit, her husband 'Gerald McCann had at that stage!
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 06, 2022, 07:16:PM
An overview of the case on This Morning: https://youtu.be/KzBVGQtm_98
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Fairplay1 on May 12, 2022, 04:55:PM
I have always sat myself on the fence with this and just recently started to refresh , and realised that my sitting on the fence is more to do with feeling angry at the mccanns for putting their child in danger but I'm now inclined to think they made the worst decision of their life's with dreadful consequences, nobody knows better than them they let their child down and they will suffer forever.

Abduction was absolutely possible due to the mccanns and the tapas 7 leaving their children in an unsafe environment , the wrong person watching them each night leave their children on their own they sadly not intentionally created an opportunity for a predator to take advantage.  They made a really bad decision and no one knows better than them , I sense this is why the Mccanns never give up they let her down in that one moment and they must never give up on her now.
 
Look at the lead detective who in hearing of a young child being missing decided to finish his night and start his detective work the following morning, this behaviour and decision making is very flawed . Everybody knows those first hours of a missing child is crucial , this really does tell you a lot about the Portugese investigation . No matter how wrong the mccanns were this police investigation was diabolical from the onset so I can see why the mccanns sued this guy . He is beyond unprofessional his track record is dreadful and people some how think he knows the truth what merit or credibility can anyone give this guy just check out his previous dealings in finding missing children it's horrendous .He is nothing but a fraud and the Portugese police were right to get shot he was/is a complete liability . That's why I cannot sit on the fence no more , they made a horrendous decision which I believe resulted in their child been taken . Their is no doubt in my mind that abduction was an absolute possablility given all the factors , yes the family should be investigated but to exclude abduction as being possible is nonsense.

Here's hoping their will be some type of resolve although I fear the worst , but holding on to some hope ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 12, 2022, 11:01:PM
Did anyone watch the MWT investigation in to Christian B?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Fairplay1 on May 13, 2022, 09:53:AM
Did anyone watch the MWT investigation in to Christian B?


Yes ,from his detective work on the "new suspect" it seems like a dead end with this German guy.  But I am reading that a lot of people don't rate him .  I'm not sure if the people who are running him down are angry because he obv does not support this German guy being the abducter which then leaves it still open or they just feel he is a poor investigating journalist.

I wonder if their will ever be an answer to all this.  I still even though I am moving more to abduction still have my reservations with some of the characters from the tapas 9 but that's it just niggles at this time.




Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 13, 2022, 03:02:PM
Yes ,from his detective work on the "new suspect" it seems like a dead end with this German guy.  But I am reading that a lot of people don't rate him .  I'm not sure if the people who are running him down are angry because he obv does not support this German guy being the abducter which then leaves it still open or they just feel he is a poor investigating journalist.

Yes, I was thinking along these lines. He had a researcher in both Portugal and Germany and claimed that the program was the result of six months of research.

The German prosecutor looked uncomfortable when fielding MWT's questions. He appeared to gulp at one point.

Either the Germans have something much stronger that they're keeping schtum about .. or MWT may be correct regarding CB.

Mind you, he (CB) is a proper wrong'un.  But interesting what the defence lawyer stated in captions at the end (regarding the rape DNA evidence).
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Fairplay1 on May 14, 2022, 08:37:AM
Yes, I was thinking along these lines. He had a researcher in both Portugal and Germany and claimed that the program was the result of six months of research.

The German prosecutor looked uncomfortable when fielding MWT's questions. He appeared to gulp at one point.

Either the Germans have something much stronger that they're keeping schtum about .. or MWT may be correct regarding CB.

Mind you, he (CB) is a proper wrong'un.  But interesting what the defence lawyer stated in captions at the end (regarding the rape DNA evidence).


Yes I agree , he certainly looks like a good fit but it seems from MWT investigation he is not at this time with the evidence he has looked into supportive  ,but maybe the German Lawyer has got something that MWT has not got access to but I do wander what that could be for the lawyer to be so sure, and how long will it take for it to come out

I don't really have an opinion on MWT , I thought he did a good job looking at CB but I know people who fully support the abduction don't rate his research ability and have criticised his investigative skills but I tend to think if he had done his research and confirmed what they all wanted to hear that CB is their man they would feel different , once the bias is their people tend to reject or support depending on outcome I guess it's only human

I will have to go back and watch I might have missed that bit at the end with the rape DNA so I will give it another watch. :)


Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 14, 2022, 08:48:AM
Seems the police are miles away from being able to arrest Christian B.

His name has been circulating for a long time. However all the police can say is he's an official suspect.

The documentary seemed to say he was with someone miles away that night. However had the opportunity to abduct Madeleine a few hours earlier.

Be surprised he would be calm enough to commit the crime, then straight away go and meet someone else. Then again he was a serial criminal.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on May 14, 2022, 08:49:AM
Thought the phone records were more conclusive. However the documentary  seems to say it covers a 35 mile radious & Cristian B may not have been the phone user.

Believe he could be guilty. But can't see him being charged.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 14, 2022, 06:13:PM
Well Adam, I suppose we will have to wait for the next development. The Portuguese have made him arguido for a reason. Perhaps there is more than the Germans have so far let on and more than MWT and his researchers have unearthed.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 15, 2022, 09:08:PM
The " accused " had face-changing ops after Madeleine went missing. A jaw re-alignment and also dentistry work carried out on his " rabbit " teeth was done at a private clinic in Germany.
I wonder if he also had shoulder length straggly hair as was described in the first ever pic. of her abductor ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on May 15, 2022, 09:13:PM
The " accused " had face-changing ops after Madeleine went missing. A jaw re-alignment and also dentistry work carried out on his " rabbit " teeth was done at a private clinic in Germany.
I wonder if he also had shoulder length straggly hair as was described in the first ever pic. of her abductor ?

He was making money from drug dealing on the Algarve. So he probably had the money to get his teeth sorted etc. It's not unknown for people who become affluent to have such work carried out.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on May 15, 2022, 10:13:PM
He was making money from drug dealing on the Algarve. So he probably had the money to get his teeth sorted etc. It's not unknown for people who become affluent to have such work carried out.





I realise that Roch, but it's a bit iffy after the event ?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on July 06, 2022, 10:29:AM
I've just binge watched the 3X1 hour doco featuring the suspect Christian B.

One thing which puzzled me was,
Jane Tanner said when she went to check on her kids she saw a man in the distance walking  carrying a child. (the description of the man fitted Christian B)
Shortly afterwards another person from the group checked the McCanns apartment and saw the twins were safe and sound, but he didn't look around the corner to check on Maddie, he then went back to the Tapas bar.

Later on when Kate McCann went to check on her kids she said the door to the her kids room was open, along with some of the windows, she sounded the alarm on noticing Maddie had disappeared.

When the guy that checked on seeing the twins were OK, why didn't he notice the windows and door were open?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 06, 2022, 09:13:PM
I've just binge watched the 3X1 hour doco featuring the suspect Christian B.

One thing which puzzled me was,
Jane Tanner said when she went to check on her kids she saw a man in the distance walking  carrying a child. (the description of the man fitted Christian B)
Shortly afterwards another person from the group checked the McCanns apartment and saw the twins were safe and sound, but he didn't look around the corner to check on Maddie, he then went back to the Tapas bar.

Later on when Kate McCann went to check on her kids she said the door to the her kids room was open, along with some of the windows, she sounded the alarm on noticing Maddie had disappeared.

When the guy that checked on seeing the twins were OK, why didn't he notice the windows and door were open?
When you're wining and dining and off guard in holiday mode it might make times and events unreliable as to exactly when the three children were checked on.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on July 08, 2022, 06:35:AM
When you're wining and dining and off guard in holiday mode it might make times and events unreliable as to exactly when the three children were checked on.

The Tapa's crowd appear to be pretty exact when talking about the time line.
When they're interviewed they only have to remember what they were doing the previous night.

At 9.05pm Gerry McCann said he checked up on his kids and everything was fine.

At 9.10pm Jane Tanner said when checking on her kids she saw a man with long hair carrying a child.

At 9.25pm (15 minutes later) another person from the Tapa's group checked on his kids, followed by checking the McCanns kids, he said the twins were fine but he didn't look around the corner to check on Maddie.

At 10.00pm Kate McCann went to check on her kids, she saw the door to the kids room was open and so was a window, she raised the alarm when she saw that Maddie was missing.

So you'd have to assume that the kids door and window was opened after 9.05pm, because Gerry McCann would have noticed it. This dovetails with Jane Tanner sighting someone with long hair carrying a child at 9.10pm.
What is strange is that the Guy who checked on the McCann's kids 9.25pm, wasn't asked if the door to the kids room along with the window was open.

The time line fits in with the possibility of an abduction just after 9.05pm when Gerry McCann checked on his kids.

The perpetrator could have been watching the past couple of days and decided when to abduct.
In the case of Christian B he could have worn a wig.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 08, 2022, 09:40:PM
The Tapa's crowd appear to be pretty exact when talking about the time line.
When they're interviewed they only have to remember what they were doing the previous night.

At 9.05pm Gerry McCann said he checked up on his kids and everything was fine.

At 9.10pm Jane Tanner said when checking on her kids she saw a man with long hair carrying a child.

At 9.25pm (15 minutes later) another person from the Tapa's group checked on his kids, followed by checking the McCanns kids, he said the twins were fine but he didn't look around the corner to check on Maddie.

At 10.00pm Kate McCann went to check on her kids, she saw the door to the kids room was open and so was a window, she raised the alarm when she saw that Maddie was missing.

So you'd have to assume that the kids door and window was opened after 9.05pm, because Gerry McCann would have noticed it. This dovetails with Jane Tanner sighting someone with long hair carrying a child at 9.10pm.
What is strange is that the Guy who checked on the McCann's kids 9.25pm, wasn't asked if the door to the kids room along with the window was open.

The time line fits in with the possibility of an abduction just after 9.05pm when Gerry McCann checked on his kids.

The perpetrator could have been watching the past couple of days and decided when to abduct.
In the case of Christian B he could have worn a wig.

This seems to tally with this article: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11851303/the-case-against-christian-b/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on July 09, 2022, 03:23:AM
This seems to tally with this article: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11851303/the-case-against-christian-b/

Thanks, first time I've read a decent article in the Sun.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: lookout on July 09, 2022, 08:49:PM
The perpetrator must also have known of their return journey to the UK next day too, or they'd have been too late.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 20, 2022, 11:54:AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/20/madeleine-mccann-parents-lose-challenge-over-portuguese-libel-case
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 24, 2022, 02:18:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/20/madeleine-mccann-parents-lose-challenge-over-portuguese-libel-case
A recap of the allegations: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9286917/Madeleine-McCann-cop-Goncalo-Amaral-says-Kates-reaction-disappearance-not-normal.html
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 25, 2022, 08:04:PM
The right to a family life..https://youtu.be/2gGbS0Yp1UY
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 11, 2022, 05:38:PM
New charges for Brückner: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspect-christian-br%C3%BCckner-charged-with-sexual-offences-against-children-in-portugal/ar-AA12PYGy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=93a89c028770490aa58e996848a68937
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on October 12, 2022, 07:58:AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303221/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-charged-series-sex-crimes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303221/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-charged-series-sex-crimes.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 12, 2022, 04:31:PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303221/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-charged-series-sex-crimes.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303221/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-charged-series-sex-crimes.html)
No disrespect to any of Christian Brückner's past victims, but at what stage are we with the Madeleine investigation?  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-not-face-trial-on-separate-sex-charges-this-year/ar-AA12STxg?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9c6d21f5438048af8a6f4d0791eba08a
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 31, 2023, 07:41:PM
What do we know of Christian Brueckner?


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5400 on: December 23, 2020, 03:46:PM »
I do find the prime suspect in Maddy's disappearance, Christian Brückner, difficult to analyse. Some of his crimes, such as breaking and entering and stealing items of value seem opportunistic, whilst others ascribed to him including Maddy, René Hasee, Carola Titze and Inge Gehricke may have an element of planning about them. The rape of a 72-year-old woman, for which he still remains incarcerated, shows he needs control whilst possessing an uncontrollable sexual urge leading to bestiality, which along with his criminally-minded brain may be a reason for this particular crime, which on the surface does seem incongruous given the age of the other victims. Of course he may not be guilty of any of the former.

His background might not surprise anyone who studies crime. An adoptee from an early age, a wayward youth who became involved in petty crime after his stepfather was invalided and stepmother unable to cope, taken out of mainstream education and placed in a reform school for two years. Upon release in 1995 he heads to the Algarve aged 18 and takes a job as a catering assistant.

What is it with him that makes him unable to form stable relationships with members of either sex? No affection, no release valve, just bumming around in his campervan looking for unprincipled ways to make money, affording him the chance to satisfy abnormal sexual fantasies, to destroy the lives of anyone who is having fun in a family setting, the family he was deprived of when he was growing up and which he believed was his right?

This is Amoreira beach, where René Hasee disappeared. There may be no link to Maddy or to Christian B. But it does seem a strange coincidence nevertheless, one year after his arrival in Portugal and only a few months after release from a sexual abuse charge of a young girl in Wurzburg. https://youtu.be/7_E5niv9wYg

Was he lying in wait in his vehicle on the cliff edge with binoculars, waiting to pounce as the family had spent a full day in the resort, biding his time as the little boy ran towards the ocean with mother momentarily distracted as she navigated the steps from the restaurant, the paedophile scooping him up in his arms with a few soothing words in German and the promise of an ice cream cone to allay suspicions, the ingenuous youngster not knowing what diabolical fate awaited him as he was conveyed to the campervan above?

48 Hours mystery: https://youtu.be/rYOOVn1oqNY
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 24, 2023, 11:43:PM
What do we know of Christian Brueckner?


Posts: 15833

Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5400 on: December 23, 2020, 03:46:PM »
I do find the prime suspect in Maddy's disappearance, Christian Brückner, difficult to analyse. Some of his crimes, such as breaking and entering and stealing items of value seem opportunistic, whilst others ascribed to him including Maddy, René Hasee, Carola Titze and Inge Gehricke may have an element of planning about them. The rape of a 72-year-old woman, for which he still remains incarcerated, shows he needs control whilst possessing an uncontrollable sexual urge leading to bestiality, which along with his criminally-minded brain may be a reason for this particular crime, which on the surface does seem incongruous given the age of the other victims. Of course he may not be guilty of any of the former.

His background might not surprise anyone who studies crime. An adoptee from an early age, a wayward youth who became involved in petty crime after his stepfather was invalided and stepmother unable to cope, taken out of mainstream education and placed in a reform school for two years. Upon release in 1995 he heads to the Algarve aged 18 and takes a job as a catering assistant.

What is it with him that makes him unable to form stable relationships with members of either sex? No affection, no release valve, just bumming around in his campervan looking for unprincipled ways to make money, affording him the chance to satisfy abnormal sexual fantasies, to destroy the lives of anyone who is having fun in a family setting, the family he was deprived of when he was growing up and which he believed was his right?

This is Amoreira beach, where René Hasee disappeared. There may be no link to Maddy or to Christian B. But it does seem a strange coincidence nevertheless, one year after his arrival in Portugal and only a few months after release from a sexual abuse charge of a young girl in Wurzburg. https://youtu.be/7_E5niv9wYg

Was he lying in wait in his vehicle on the cliff edge with binoculars, waiting to pounce as the family had spent a full day in the resort, biding his time as the little boy ran towards the ocean with mother momentarily distracted as she navigated the steps from the restaurant, the paedophile scooping him up in his arms with a few soothing words in German and the promise of an ice cream cone to allay suspicions, the ingenuous youngster not knowing what diabolical fate awaited him as he was conveyed to the campervan above?

48 Hours mystery: https://youtu.be/rYOOVn1oqNY
New Madeleine documentary. https://youtu.be/x3d7VMVYQMY
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on March 25, 2023, 10:50:AM
New Madeleine documentary. https://youtu.be/x3d7VMVYQMY

Is this an MWT one, or is he just in it? I watched an MWT one last year and he seemed to be against the CB line.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on March 25, 2023, 07:28:PM
Is this an MWT one, or is he just in it? I watched an MWT one last year and he seemed to be against the CB line.
I don't know whether he did the research himself. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/new-documentary-investigating-prime-suspect-7068991

The mystery is what evidence the German prosecutors have.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on March 25, 2023, 09:40:PM
I don't know whether he did the research himself. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/new-documentary-investigating-prime-suspect-7068991

The mystery is what evidence the German prosecutors have.

He had two researchers I think.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on March 26, 2023, 04:00:PM
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-01-11/madeleine-fund-used-to-pay-goncalo-amaral-lawsuit/73732
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on April 07, 2023, 01:04:AM
At 21 minutes there is the suggestion of another interesting scenario.
Madeleine is woken by the Twins crying and can't sleep, so she leaves the apartment to walk to the Tapa's bar, to tell her parents that she is unable to sleep. And is subsequently abducted when walking outside on her way to the Tapas' bar.
https://youtu.be/fDMZK0f5yxk?t=1251
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 07, 2023, 03:27:PM
At 21 minutes there is the suggestion of another interesting scenario.
Madeleine is woken by the Twins crying and can't sleep, so she leaves the apartment to walk to the Tapa's bar, to tell her parents that she is unable to sleep. And is subsequently abducted when walking outside on her way to the Tapas' bar.
https://youtu.be/fDMZK0f5yxk?t=1251
It is interesting. One wonders if a three-year-old is capable of opening an apartment door. It doesn't fit with the Gonçalo Amaral theory that Maddie died in the apartment. Nobody apart from Jane Tanner claimed to have seen the man carrying the child.

At 1:00:00 Mr. Wiliams-Thomas claims the German authorities have no evidence against Christian B.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on April 08, 2023, 12:14:AM
It is interesting. One wonders if a three-year-old is capable of opening an apartment door. It doesn't fit with the Gonçalo Amaral theory that Maddie died in the apartment. Nobody apart from Jane Tanner claimed to have seen the man carrying the child.

At 1:00:00 Mr. Wiliams-Thomas claims the German authorities have no evidence against Christian B.

Don't forget Madeleine was only a few days short of her 4th Birthday.
I remember when our son was 2 we'd locked ourselves out of our house, we managed to communicate with him through the door explaining for him to turn the door handle.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 08, 2023, 07:48:PM
Don't forget Madeleine was only a few days short of her 4th Birthday.
I remember when our son was 2 we'd locked ourselves out of our house, we managed to communicate with him through the door explaining for him to turn the door handle.
I'll give credit where it's due to MWT's investigative journalism, though I'm not sure how much of it is accurate.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on April 08, 2023, 11:12:PM
I'll give credit where it's due to MWT's investigative journalism, though I'm not sure how much of it is accurate.
One scenario never discussed is, could the McCanns have committed the deed before their evening at the Tapa's bar?
It is hard to believe they could have got rid of the body after the 7th May, given how much scrutiny they were under.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on April 09, 2023, 03:16:AM
One scenario never discussed is, could the McCanns have committed the deed before their evening at the Tapa's bar?
It is hard to believe they could have got rid of the body after the 7th May, given how much scrutiny they were under.
It would have to involve a cover-up and I don't think the friendship of the Tapas Seven extended to such lengths. The fascination of this case in part is the tut-tutting of many over professionals behaving so stupidly by leaving all three children under four unattended for any period of time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 22, 2023, 05:42:PM
Update: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65673674

A recap of the case. Apologies if this has been posted before. https://youtu.be/rYOOVn1oqNY
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 23, 2023, 05:18:PM
Police are digging at a favourite haunt of prime suspect Christian Brückner, the man-made reservoir at Barragem do Arade, thirty miles from where Madeleine disappeared in Praia da Luz. He described it to friends as his "little paradise" and was seen often in his campervan spending the night in the search area. The Portuguese broadcaster, SIC, has stated that British police officers were also present. The area in question has already been searched twice by divers hired by Marcos Aragao Correia, who apparently has connections with the underworld, who told him Madeleine's body had been thrown into the lake.

Alan Wilson, dive team leader, stated: "You can't see anything down there..divers are searching entirely by touch." A source familiar with the case is not optimistic about the outcome: "It will come to nothing," he said.

Christian B. would frequent the hamlet of Foral, near Albufeira, where he smuggled cannabis in a secret compartment of his vehicle.  In a statement all too redolent of Jeremy Bamber, he claimed:

"I'm the most known bad person in the world and I did nothing-well almost nothing. I wasn't kidnapping anybody and of course I wasn't killing anybody. I made some silly mistakes when I was younger, but who hasn't?"

A 2008 search of the reservoir found a bag of small bones, but these were found not to be human.

Operation Grange has cost British taxpayers £13 million to date. Scotland Yard dug up an area of wasteland surrounding the Ocean Club resort nine years ago.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on May 24, 2023, 08:36:AM
"Portuguese and German police are combing an area around the Barragem do Arade reservoir - 30 miles from Praia da Luz where the toddler went missing in 2007"


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12118463/MADELEINE-MCCANN-SEARCH-LIVE-German-Portuguese-police-continue-hunt.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12118463/MADELEINE-MCCANN-SEARCH-LIVE-German-Portuguese-police-continue-hunt.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: David1819 on May 30, 2023, 12:58:PM
Madeleine McCann news – latest: Kate and Gerry forced to wait ‘weeks’ for reservoir search results

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-updates-today-christian-brueckner-b2347975.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-updates-today-christian-brueckner-b2347975.html)
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on May 31, 2023, 12:31:AM
It would have to involve a cover-up and I don't think the friendship of the Tapas Seven extended to such lengths. The fascination of this case in part is the tut-tutting of many over professionals behaving so stupidly by leaving all three children under four unattended for any period of time.

I don't think the parents covered up her death. If so they wouldn't be continually keeping the case alive.
Their strange behaviour and body language is down to their guilt & shame, leaving their kids (toddlers) unattended, and having to deal with a judgemental public.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on May 31, 2023, 10:20:AM
I don't think the parents covered up her death. If so they wouldn't be continually keeping the case alive.
Their strange behaviour and body language is down to their guilt & shame, leaving their kids (toddlers) unattended, and having to deal with a judgemental public.
The whole case is to date still a mystery. Forensic profiler Pat Brown suggests Madeleine died in the apartment, hence the reaction of the sniffer dogs. But why if this was the case was the body not just dumped on the sofa or left elsewhere within? What evidence do German prosecutors really hold and why hasn't Christian B. been charged yet? What on earth is going on at the reservoir? I would like to know.

Pat Brown's analysis for those interested: https://youtu.be/PD8OlQqRhT8
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on June 01, 2023, 02:40:AM
Bit of a difficult watch she meanders a bit. Interesting comment about it being difficult to hurriedly bury a body when being unfamimiar with the area and terraine.
Yes the cadaver dogs are damning evidence against the McCanns.
Was the sofa always located where it was?
Could some sort of evidence have been planted there prior to the cadaver dogs arriving? (there is the famous case in NZ where police planted evidence against Arthur Alan Thomas)
Or was the carpet laid down there, relocated from another part of the building?

Then back in the 80s in Australia there is the famous case against Lindy Chamberlaine, (she came across as being very weird) who was alleged to have killed her child, after saying it had been taken by a Dingo. A body was never found, she was finally released from prison when the baby's jacket was found proving the baby had been taken by a dingo..
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on June 01, 2023, 09:25:AM
Bit of a difficult watch she meanders a bit. Interesting comment about it being difficult to hurriedly bury a body when being unfamimiar with the area and terraine.
Yes the cadaver dogs are damning evidence against the McCanns.
Was the sofa always located where it was?
Could some sort of evidence have been planted there prior to the cadaver dogs arriving? (there is the famous case in NZ where police planted evidence against Arthur Alan Thomas)
Or was the carpet laid down there, relocated from another part of the building?

Then back in the 80s in Australia there is the famous case against Lindy Chamberlaine, (she came across as being very weird) who was alleged to have killed her child, after saying it had been taken by a Dingo. A body was never found, she was finally released from prison when the baby's jacket was found proving the baby had been taken by a dingo..
I was a subscriber at one point, though stopped as the time zones didn't suit. Here's a more succinct account. https://youtu.be/n85lujYwes4
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 04, 2023, 11:26:PM
The Bad Man, the Necromancer and the Toady..https://youtu.be/ewCnomUyEQg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 07, 2023, 01:54:AM
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-01-11/madeleine-fund-used-to-pay-goncalo-amaral-lawsuit/73732
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 07, 2023, 09:39:PM
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-01-11/madeleine-fund-used-to-pay-goncalo-amaral-lawsuit/73732
I don't see how the McCanns could have proceeded with the cremation given the publicity surrounding the case. If Amaral had claimed Madeleine died in the apartment and left it at that I think he would have been more believable. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2751442/goncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-2/#:~:text=What%20has%20Amaral%20claimed%20in,to%20cover%20up%20the%20tragedy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on July 10, 2023, 10:19:AM
The reservoir search hasn't turned up anything, according to German police.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rob_ on July 10, 2023, 06:18:PM
Bit of a difficult watch she meanders a bit. Interesting comment about it being difficult to hurriedly bury a body when being unfamimiar with the area and terraine.
Yes the cadaver dogs are damning evidence against the McCanns.
Was the sofa always located where it was?
Could some sort of evidence have been planted there prior to the cadaver dogs arriving? (there is the famous case in NZ where police planted evidence against Arthur Alan Thomas)
Or was the carpet laid down there, relocated from another part of the building?

Then back in the 80s in Australia there is the famous case against Lindy Chamberlaine, (she came across as being very weird) who was alleged to have killed her child, after saying it had been taken by a Dingo. A body was never found, she was finally released from prison when the baby's jacket was found proving the baby had been taken by a dingo..

I disagree as the body would have been too fresh, no decomposition would have set in.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on July 11, 2023, 12:13:AM
I disagree as the body would have been too fresh, no decomposition would have set in.

So, are you saying that the use of cadaver dogs would have been irrelevant. I can't understand what it is you're in disagreement with.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rob_ on July 12, 2023, 11:10:AM
So, are you saying that the use of cadaver dogs would have been irrelevant. I can't understand what it is you're in disagreement with.

A cadaver dog would not detect anything in the apartment unless Maddie had been taken back their a day or so later after death. A body needs to start decomposing for the dog to detect it.

Well trained cadaver dogs are pretty amazing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on July 12, 2023, 12:23:PM
A cadaver dog would not detect anything in the apartment unless Maddie had been taken back their a day or so later after death. A body needs to start decomposing for the dog to detect it.

Well trained cadaver dogs are pretty amazing.

But I thought the cadaver dogs did detect something in the apartment.
So what ever it was they detected it wasn't Madeleine?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on July 12, 2023, 05:42:PM
But I thought the cadaver dogs did detect something in the apartment.
So what ever it was they detected it wasn't Madeleine?
It remains a mystery to date. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rob_ on July 15, 2023, 10:15:PM
But I thought the cadaver dogs did detect something in the apartment.
So what ever it was they detected it wasn't Madeleine?

A blood dog may have detected blood but it was a holiday apartment, countless people could have cut themselves in their.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 06, 2023, 09:47:PM
A blood dog may have detected blood but it was a holiday apartment, countless people could have cut themselves in their.

Among the great number of objects and locales inspected, the dogs marked the following places:
1. Apartment 5 A, Ocean Club resort, the place from where the child disappeared
1.1. Cadaver odour
* Master bedroom, in a corner, by the wardrobe
* Living room, behind the sofa, by the side window
1.2. Blood dog:
* Living room behind the sofa, close to the lateral window (on the same spot signalled by the cadaver dog);
2. Front garden to the apartment 5A
2.1. Cadaver dog
* Flower bed (the dog handler commented on the 'lightness' of the odor)
3. Apartments where the rest of the group were staying
* NOTHING was detected by the dogs
4. Actual residence of the McCann
* NOTHING was detected on the house by any of the dogs
5. At Aldeia da Luz
* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs
6. Clothes and belongings of McCann family
6.1. Cadaver dog:
* 2 pieces of clothing of Kate McCann
* One piece of Madeleine McCann
* Madeleine's soft toy
* The odour was detected when the toy was still in the interior of the actual residence of the McCann
* It was confirmed in out of the house conditions
7. Vehicle used by the McCann family
7.1. Cadaver dog:
* Marked the key of the car
* Marked the interior of the booth
7.2. Blood dog
* Marked the car key
* Marked the interior of the booth
8. Car used by a family friend that was staying in the same resort, in some of the same days
* Nothing was detected by any of the dogs
9. All the cars used by the arguido Robert Murat and the people that are close to him
* Nothing was detected by any of the dogs.

(In a total of 10 cars the cadaver dog and the blood dog only marked the car of the McCann family, rented at May 27th)

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 07, 2023, 04:04:PM
It's interesting, but not conclusive proof Kate and Gerry covered up their daughter's death. If the allegation is Madeleine suffered a fatal head wound from a fall and the parents concealed the body temporarily in the wardrobe, until disposing of the corpse later I can't really see a timeline that works. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on September 07, 2023, 05:00:PM
It's interesting, but not conclusive proof Kate and Gerry covered up their daughter's death. If the allegation is Madeleine suffered a fatal head wound from a fall and the parents concealed the body temporarily in the wardrobe, until disposing of the corpse later I can't really see a timeline that works. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404
Another alternative was that they overdosed a sleeping draught or woozy from its affect she stumbled and fell. I have spent a lot of time travelling Portugal in a motor home. I saw what can only be described as many strange, single men on my travels. I do not judge books by their covers but have suggested to friends and family, from the start that a quick transportation in such a vehicle could have been the means by which she was abducted. I came to this as a possibility before the German guy was investigated. For some unknown reason I found Kate and Gerry's behaviour a bit off kilter. This may have been due to their inner shame of leaving the kids while they wined and dined.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 07, 2023, 05:13:PM
It's interesting, but not conclusive proof Kate and Gerry covered up their daughter's death. If the allegation is Madeleine suffered a fatal head wound from a fall and the parents concealed the body temporarily in the wardrobe, until disposing of the corpse later I can't really see a timeline that works. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/how-sniffer-dogs-signalled-scent-14141404

In a court of law I believe it isn't conclusive proof. However, I can't see the Portuguese authorities planting something to get the dogs to back up their theory.  The dogs were I think, world renowned.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on September 07, 2023, 11:30:PM
The problem I have with "the McCanns did it"scenario, is how could they have concealed/ transported Maddie's body when once their appartment was being closely watched?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 08, 2023, 08:49:AM
The problem I have with "the McCanns did it"scenario, is how could they have concealed/ transported Maddie's body when once their appartment was being closely watched?

Did the Portuguese ever come up with a theory to explain this?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on September 08, 2023, 09:43:AM
Did the Portuguese ever come up with a theory to explain this?
Were there not a number of reports of people seeing a man carrying a child in various locations. In other words the body could have been removed in the very early stages following them reporting her missing.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 08, 2023, 09:51:AM
Were there not a number of reports of people seeing a man carrying a child in various locations. In other words the body could have been removed in the very early stages following them reporting her missing.

Yes I think they were but where would they store her body? The other thing is, if Maddie died as the result of a botched abduction, and her person was removed by the offender (which I'm not sure would be enough time for corpse odour to form), why did the McCann's not argue that the abductor must have killed Maddie in a botched abduction and this this is the reason for the dog alerts?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on September 08, 2023, 10:18:AM
Yes I think they were but where would they store her body? The other thing is, if Maddie died as the result of a botched abduction, and her person was removed by the offender (which I'm not sure would be enough time for corpse odour to form), why did the McCann's not argue that the abductor must have killed Maddie in a botched abduction and this this is the reason for the dog alerts?
I understand the odour can form in 24 hours but in death from natural causes 1-3 days. They could have put her in a suitcase for short term storage. Their holiday friends left on schedule I believe since there was no reason for them to remain in the early stages. ( Tapas 7) The McCcanns had local contacts as well. Did they know Robert Murat who was cleared of any involvement.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on September 08, 2023, 10:27:AM
Yes I think they were but where would they store her body? The other thing is, if Maddie died as the result of a botched abduction, and her person was removed by the offender (which I'm not sure would be enough time for corpse odour to form), why did the McCann's not argue that the abductor must have killed Maddie in a botched abduction and this this is the reason for the dog alerts?
They were both doctors. They would know that it would take time for the odour to form and to suggest this would look like they were using this excuse to deflect from their own involvement. This would apply whether guilty or innocent.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 08, 2023, 10:30:AM
I understand the odour can form in 24 hours but in death from natural causes 1-3 days. They could have put her in a suitcase for short term storage. Their holiday friends left on schedule I believe since there was no reason for them to remain in the early stages. ( Tapas 7) The McCcanns had local contacts as well. Did they know Robert Murat who was cleared of any involvement.

Could dogs detect earlier than that? I think so. As the moment a human being dies, the decomposition process begins.

Regards Murat, I can't remember why he became a suspect. But the dogs didn't pick anything up in relation Murat or his residence.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on September 08, 2023, 10:34:AM
At places like the complex where they were staying there would be visitor churn with guests coming and going on a regular basis. There would be many suitcases being moved around especially on change over days.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on September 08, 2023, 10:37:AM
Could dogs detect earlier than that? I think so. As the moment a human being dies, the decomposition process begins.

Regards Murat, I can't remember why he became a suspect. But the dogs didn't pick anything up in relation Murat or his residence.
He became an Arguido because a journalist thought he was suspicious because he organised searches and became too involved in the case.
Maddie was very small so less volume.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on September 09, 2023, 01:25:AM
Were there not a number of reports of people seeing a man carrying a child in various locations. In other words the body could have been removed in the very early stages following them reporting her missing.

The report of a man seen carrying the child was during the evening, of when Maddie went missing.

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At 9.10pm Jane Tanner said when checking on her kids she saw a man with long hair carrying a child.

I still think Maddie wandered outside of the apartment and was opportunistically abducted by a pedo.

The only fly in the ointment for this theory are the findings via the Cadaver dogs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 09, 2023, 09:05:AM
The report of a man seen carrying the child was during the evening, of when Maddie went missing.

I still think Maddie wandered outside of the apartment and was opportunistically abducted by a pedo.

The only fly in the ointment for this theory are the findings via the Cadaver dogs.
If Maddie died in the apartment we still have the problem of how the body was disposed of. If Jane Tanner did spot a man carrying her away she didn't recognize Christian Brückner as the perpetrator.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on September 09, 2023, 10:50:AM
If Maddie died in the apartment we still have the problem of how the body was disposed of. If Jane Tanner did spot a man carrying her away she didn't recognize Christian Brückner as the perpetrator.
If Maddie was indeed abducted, the perpetrator could have been someone other than Bruckner.

I agree, if the McCanns were guilty there is no plausible explanation for how they could have got rid of the body.
Plus they would be breathing a sigh of relief having got away with murder/ manslaughter, rather than continuously keeping the case in the spot light.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 09, 2023, 12:06:PM
If Maddie was indeed abducted, the perpetrator could have been someone other than Bruckner.

I agree, if the McCanns were guilty there is no plausible explanation for how they could have got rid of the body.
Plus they would be breathing a sigh of relief having got away with murder/ manslaughter, rather than continuously keeping the case in the spot light.
That's a good point, although sceptics might argue they're keeping up appearances with their remaining children in mind. It all seems to be getting rather far-fetched: if Christian Brückner's main aim that evening was to burgle and he stumbled upon the children by chance, did he have the time to distinguish between the three infants, did he then pick out Madeleine and kill her in the lounge, then take her away? Or was Maddie's body inside the wardrobe at some point as the cadaver dog evidence seems to suggest?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on September 10, 2023, 11:38:AM
Or was Maddie's body inside the wardrobe at some point as the cadaver dog evidence seems to suggest?

If Maddie's body was in the wardrobe when the alarm was sounded, surely straight away the Police would have searched every where within the apatment.
If the McCanns had hidden/ disposed of the body somewhere off site, it would have to of been sometime before they went to the Tapas bar. 
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 10, 2023, 03:45:PM
If Maddie's body was in the wardrobe when the alarm was sounded, surely straight away the Police would have searched every where within the apatment.
If the McCanns had hidden/ disposed of the body somewhere off site, it would have to of been sometime before they went to the Tapas bar.
I don't necessarily believe that all the checks on the infants claimed by the Tapas 7 did take place.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on September 11, 2023, 06:25:AM
I don't necessarily believe that all the checks on the infants claimed by the Tapas 7 did take place.

So if they could be lying about checking on the infants, how can we know if Maddie was actually in the apartment at the time the McCanns attended the Tapas bar?
Could Jane Tanner be lying about seeing a long haired male carrying a child?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on September 11, 2023, 06:16:PM
So if they could be lying about checking on the infants, how can we know if Maddie was actually in the apartment at the time the McCanns attended the Tapas bar?
Could Jane Tanner be lying about seeing a long haired male carrying a child?
On the latter point anything is possible. But where does this leave suspect Christian Brückner? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8608479/expert-says-mystery-man-spotted-on-night-she-disappeared-is-key-to-solving-case-of-missing-madeleine-mccann/

I don't think we'll ever get the truth as to when or whether the checks on Maddy took place.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on September 23, 2023, 11:34:PM
from peter hitchens https://t.co/bcTdySTiwf
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: nugnug on September 25, 2023, 10:11:AM
https://youtu.be/rVyeYd2GVfk
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on September 25, 2023, 10:30:AM
Wrong thread Nugnug.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 30, 2023, 05:38:PM
Apology issued: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67229219

"Madeleine is dead.." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/madeleine-mccann-is-dead-german-prosecutor-confirms-missing-maddie-did-die-in-portugal/ar-AA1j50z7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=08fdfc9706064992acaf1a85208f469b&ei=19
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 30, 2023, 06:22:PM
Apology issued: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67229219

"Madeleine is dead.." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/madeleine-mccann-is-dead-german-prosecutor-confirms-missing-maddie-did-die-in-portugal/ar-AA1j50z7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=08fdfc9706064992acaf1a85208f469b&ei=19

Strange kettle of fish this. Are we supposed to read between the lines, that the Germans have now convinced the Portuguese, that Bruckner was responsible?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 30, 2023, 06:43:PM
Strange kettle of fish this. Are we supposed to read between the lines, that the Germans have now convinced the Portuguese, that Bruckner was responsible?
I think so, and those who should have been informed of the evidence will be the last to know.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 30, 2023, 09:01:PM
Watched the doc just now.

Never believed the parents were responsible.

Don't believe it was a burglary gone wrong. Burglars are there to take money.

A lot points to Bruckner. He will never admit to it. Even if given a long sentance for his other crimes.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 30, 2023, 09:04:PM
Didn't know there are emails of Bruckner fantazising about abucting a young girl.

People who knew him believed he was capable.

His other crimes are sexual and violent. Some in the same area as where Maddy was. His mobile phone puts him near the area at the time.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 30, 2023, 09:08:PM
Bruckner knew the area. He may have known the complex where the McCanns were was a good stalking point. Maybe he had burgled there before.

Always a possibility the adults will leave the children sleeping to have an evening drink outside. Which is what happened.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 30, 2023, 09:13:PM
Be interested to know how he got in and out.

Assume he must have just walked out the door carrying an asleep Maddy.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 30, 2023, 09:27:PM
A man was seen near the area walking holding an asleep baby.

Probably Bruckner. Not running as did not want to draw attention to himself. His van was not far away.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 30, 2023, 09:29:PM
Never believed Maddy was abducted to be taken abroad and sold.

Sounds like too much of a big operation, just for one person.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on October 30, 2023, 11:40:PM
I don't think  Bruckner entered the apartment. I think Maddie was abducted when wandering outside of the apartment, to tell her patrents the twins were keeping her awake.
Obviously Bruckner fits the profile.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 31, 2023, 03:50:AM
I don't think  Bruckner entered the apartment. I think Maddie was abducted when wandering outside of the apartment, to tell her patrents the twins were keeping her awake.
Obviously Bruckner fits the profile.

If Maddy was up and awake when Bruckner took her away, wouldn't she make a noise.

Bruckner was there to be pro active rather than hope a child wakes up and starts wandering outside.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 31, 2023, 05:34:PM
Could Christian Brückner have stumbled upon a dead Maddie whilst burgling the apartment? But why would he have taken the body away? Why were Sean and Amelie left unscathed?

If you thought Pat Brown was going to offer an apology, forget it. https://youtu.be/Ku-fpuvWefU
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 31, 2023, 06:37:PM
Could Christian Brückner have stumbled upon a dead Maddie whilst burgling the apartment? But why would he have taken the body away? Why were Sean and Amelie left unscathed?

If you thought Pat Brown was going to offer an apology, forget it. https://youtu.be/Ku-fpuvWefU

Why would Maddy be dead?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 31, 2023, 06:39:PM
Seems the complex the McCann's stayed at had an outside area for evening drinks.

Might have only been 50 yards from Maddy & they would have done regular checks on her. But that would be enough for Bruckner. An experienced burgler who knew the area. Determined on the night.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 31, 2023, 06:50:PM
Why would Maddy be dead?
The evidence according to Goncalo Amaral is that Maddie banged her head falling off the sofa and died.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 31, 2023, 06:52:PM
Seems the complex the McCann's stayed at had an outside area for evening drinks.

Might have only been 50 yards from Maddy & they would have done regular checks on her. But that would be enough for Bruckner. An experienced burgler who knew the area. Determined on the night.
We don't really know whether regular checks were made or missed. The Tapas 7 would cover that part up for the McCanns, I'm sure. I doubt they would have covered up a death in the apartment, if that's what in fact occurred.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 31, 2023, 06:59:PM
The evidence according to Goncalo Amaral is that Maddie banged her head falling off the sofa and died.

How would he know. Her body has never been recovered.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Adam on October 31, 2023, 07:06:PM
Believe Bruckner & his van were staying a few miles from the McCann's. Off the grid.

No chance of being found with her in the following days.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 31, 2023, 07:10:PM
How would he know. Her body has never been recovered.
It's the odour emitted from a dead body which the cadaver dogs picked up on.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 31, 2023, 07:13:PM
Believe Bruckner & his van were staying a few miles from the McCann's. Off the grid.

No chance of being found with her in the following days.
Did you watch the part where Pat Brown doubts Jane Tanner's story? She also wonders why the McCanns were so dismissive of the Smith sighting.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on October 31, 2023, 07:50:PM
I think Steve that you are in the fence with this one?
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on October 31, 2023, 08:31:PM
I think Steve that you are in the fence with this one?
I can't bring myself at this time to say the McCanns were involved. My head says: keep an open mind.

Part Two of Pat Brown. It's a bit waffly at the start and I would start at "Once Upon A Time" nine minutes in: https://youtu.be/ZSgoeRkkbc8
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 15, 2023, 07:00:PM
Again I condense a long Pat Brown video into five points:

1) There's no physical evidence of an intruder: no fingerprints, no footprints, no witnesses to a prowler, no obvious sign of entry.

2) Kate and Gerry changed their story. Gerry said he came through the front door with a key. He said everything was locked.  Later on the couple said the windows were open.

3) The cadaver dogs evidence. There was a hit behind the sofa, on Cuddle Cat and on the hire car. Pat suggests the body was moved from an insecure place via the rental car to a more remote location.

4) The behaviour of the McCanns following the event. Non-cooperation with Portuguese police, exercising, Kate able to sleep after five days, visiting the Pope, leaving their two children behind.

5) The McCanns rejection of the Smith sighting. Pat says you would leave no stone unturned to discover what happened to your daughter. She suggests the McCanns went with the Jane Tanner sighting because it gave Gerry an alibi, but the Smith sighting did not. https://youtu.be/PD8OlQqRhT8
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on November 24, 2023, 07:22:PM
The latest from Pat Brown: https://youtu.be/xAnTadAm3Vw
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 02, 2024, 04:23:PM
Did Madeleine die in the apartment? Are the Tapas 7 complicit in a cover-up? https://youtu.be/Lym4HI-sJjM
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on January 02, 2024, 07:00:PM
Did Madeleine die in the apartment? Are the Tapas 7 complicit in a cover-up? https://youtu.be/Lym4HI-sJjM

Steve I think you want to tell us that this is what you suspect, but you can't quite bring yourself to do it.  Let the weight off your shoulders.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 02, 2024, 07:11:PM
Steve I think you want to tell us that this is what you suspect, but you can't quite bring yourself to do it.  Let the weight off your shoulders.
Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ngb1066 on January 02, 2024, 08:43:PM
Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.
You do make it very clear where you stand on this.  Why pretend that you are on the fence? 

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on January 02, 2024, 11:01:PM
Well, I can't condemn the McCanns without either a confession or the discovery of Madeleine's body with some conclusive forensic link to them.
There is no forensic link in the Luke Mitchel case or indeed in the Bamber case. What's the difference. Both are circumstantial evidence cases.

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
All the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth
And the hens lay soft-boiled eggs

Back to fantasy that drives your beliefs in a discriminatory fashion.

Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 03, 2024, 05:47:AM
There is no forensic link in the Luke Mitchel case or indeed in the Bamber case. What's the difference. Both are circumstantial evidence cases.

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
All the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth
And the hens lay soft-boiled eggs

Back to fantasy that drives your beliefs in a discriminatory fashion.
Did you watch the Roberta Glass video? It's the most detailed account yet of how there could have been a cover-up. The forensic evidence is provided by the cadaver dogs.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 03, 2024, 06:27:AM
You do make it very clear where you stand on this.  Why pretend that you are on the fence?
No, I'm just posting an alternative point of view.  I made my position quite clear in #5948. Additionally I find it hard to believe if there was a cover-up the McCanns would visit the Pope, be interviewed by Oprah Winfrey etc. One would have thought if complicit they would avoid publicity like the plague.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Roch on January 03, 2024, 08:56:AM
No, I'm just posting an alternative point of view.  I made my position quite clear in #5948. Additionally I find it hard to believe if there was a cover-up the McCanns would visit the Pope, be interviewed by Oprah Winfrey etc. One would have thought if complicit they would avoid publicity like the plague.

They were given a spin doctor Clarence Mitchell.  Former detective Amaral has written about what he believes was British security services involvement. It's a catholic country so they probably sought to obtain empathy among the Catholic communities internationally.

Quite where the current suspect fits in all this is another matter yet to be concluded.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Bubo bubo on January 03, 2024, 10:57:AM
They were given a spin doctor Clarence Mitchell.  Former detective Amaral has written about what he believes was British security services involvement. It's a catholic country so they probably sought to obtain empathy among the Catholic communities internationally.

Quite where the current suspect fits in all this is another matter yet to be concluded.

Innocent or guilty their behaviour could be summed up with the phrase 'They've got a lot of Front'. Jimmy Saville had a lot of front. Without a body or as Steve says a forensic link it is likely to remain unresolved.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on January 03, 2024, 11:36:PM
Back in the 80s I had a holiday in the Algarve and hired a motorbike and rode to Sagres, the most South Westerly point of the European continent. I can remember the rugged coastline and high cliffs.
I was reminded of this when I watched this video at 3mins 40sec.
If the McCanns are guilty they could simply have thrown Maddie's body off the cliffs, and then stage the abduction, to have something to back up in the unlikely event of the body being washed up on the rocks below.
https://youtu.be/sqdNjynWz_0?t=221
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 04, 2024, 09:00:AM
Back in the 80s I had a holiday in the Algarve and hired a motorbike and rode to Sagres, the most South Westerly point of the European continent. I can remember the rugged coastline and high cliffs.
I was reminded of this when I watched this video at 3mins 40sec.
If the McCanns are guilty they could simply have thrown Maddie's body off the cliffs, and then stage the abduction, to have something to back up in the unlikely event of the body being washed up on the rocks below.
https://youtu.be/sqdNjynWz_0?t=221
There might have been a scenario whereby Gerry or one of the Tapas 7, upon checking the infants noticed Madeleine had died as a result of an accident, the body being placed in the wardrobe until the McCanns devised a plan to conceal the truth, Gerry taking Madeleine's body to a cave adjacent to the shoreline, passing Martin Smith in the process. They would then have to retrieve the body quickly lest it had been discovered by some third party, hire the car, all in the face of media glare, drive to Sagres, dispose of the cadaver in a cavern and continue acting normally.

It's possible, but getting too much like an Agatha Christie novel for my liking.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on January 04, 2024, 09:59:AM
There might have been a scenario whereby Gerry or one of the Tapas 7, upon checking the infants noticed Madeleine had died as a result of an accident, the body being placed in the wardrobe until the McCanns devised a plan to conceal the truth, Gerry taking Madeleine's body to a cave adjacent to the shoreline, passing Martin Smith in the process. They would then have to retrieve the body quickly lest it had been discovered by some third party, hire the car, all in the face of media glare, drive to Sagres, dispose of the cadaver in a cavern and continue acting normally.

It's possible, but getting too much like an Agatha Christie novel for my liking.

When was Maddie reported as last seen being alive, by someone other than the McCanns ?

If Maddie had died as a result of being over sedated, I assume it was the night before. They would of had all day to dump her body.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 04, 2024, 10:07:AM
When was Maddie reported as last seen being alive, by someone other than the McCanns ?

If Maddie had died as a result of being over sedated, I assume it was the night before. They would of had all day to dump her body.
This is the official timeline. It's not answering your question, especially if the Tapas 7 are involved in the cover-up. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: ILB on January 04, 2024, 12:57:PM
All this could have been avoided by more stringent parenting. In particular to the night in question.

I would never leave my children alone sleeping in a apartment block in a foreign country, and go and drink and dine in the restaurant below. Even with checking on them.  For that matter in any kind of situation I wouldn't. These were young children not teenagers

Either get a babysitter, or modify your plans when on holiday. Simple
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on January 04, 2024, 08:10:PM
This is the official timeline. It's not answering your question, especially if the Tapas 7 are involved in the cover-up. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

If the McCanns are guilty I think they would have needed to have disposed of Maddy's body before they reporeted her missing, once the Police are involved their every move would have been watched closely.
If she was still alive at 2.30pm (according to the time stamp on the photo).
I can't see a time frame or motive.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: handyman on January 13, 2024, 11:01:PM
An interesting point in the comments,of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZK8tKroIs

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Overall I’m more drawn to Maddie dieing an earlier night. But the problem with this, is we have to dismiss the theory that the twins were sedated on the abduction night, ie they wouldn’t have done it again etc .
There’s little evidence, flaky and conflicting at best, she was seen the day before. I think confirming her definite last (independent) sighting is key to this whole case.

Surely this time frame below, can all be verified by checking, in house records at the resort.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann

10am: The sixth day of the McCanns' week-long holiday in the Algarve. The couple place their daughter, Madeleine and her twin siblings, Sean and Amelie, in the Ocean Club's Kids Club while they go for a walk.

12.30pm: After collecting the children, Kate and Gerry head to their apartment, 5a, on ground floor of block five of the Waterside Village Gardens, for lunch before going to the Ocean Club swimming pool.

2.29pm: The last photograph of Madeleine is taken at the pool. The camera clock reads 1.29pm but the family says it was out by one hour.

3.30pm: Children return to Kids Club.

5.30pm: Children eat dinner at Kids Club.

Could there be a plausible time frame below. For something tragic to have happened to Madeleine & Gerry then dispose of her body.

 6pm: Kate takes children back to apartment while Gerry goes to an hour-long tennis lesson.

6.30pm: Gerry asks David Payne, one of the so-called "tapas seven", to check on Kate and the children at the apartment.

7pm: Gerry returns to the apartment and the children are put to bed in the front bedroom overlooking the car park and beyond it, the street. Madeleine is placed in the single bed nearest the door. There is an empty bed against the opposite wall beneath the window. Between the two beds are two travel cots containing the twins.

7.30pm: The McCanns shower and change.

8pm: The couple share a bottle of wine together.

8.35pm: The McCanns are the first of the group to arrive at the tapas restaurant, 50 yards away from their apartment.
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on January 18, 2024, 07:25:PM
Exclusive, but are there charges against him for the abduction of Madeleine? https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2024/01/18/exclusive-read-the-full-charges-facing-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-just-days-before-the-german-paedophile-47-stands-trial-for-sex-crimes-including-attack-on-14-year-old-girl/
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 08, 2024, 07:46:PM
Kidnap theory discussed: https://youtu.be/7FKH6MrP4qg
Title: Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Steve_uk on February 11, 2024, 05:21:PM
One is still waiting for the evidence from German prosecutor Christian Wolters. https://youtu.be/Qkx_FEWwt-E