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Title: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 10, 2020, 10:42:PM
The total number of reported cases in the UK is doubling every two days on average (based on counts published this month). This growth rate must reduce within 4 weeks, else the total would exceed the current size of the UK population. So why is the government currently speculating about a period of two weeks? My best guess is that their "expert" advisers simply halved the maximum period of 4 weeks at the current growth rate.

By the way, the latest news is that Nadine Dorries, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, has been diagnosed as having contracted the virus. She was in a meeting with the PM on Thursday, 5th March, the day before noticing she felt unwell.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 11, 2020, 01:29:PM
The total number of reported cases in the UK is doubling every two days on average (based on counts published this month). This growth rate must reduce within 4 weeks, else the total would exceed the current size of the UK population. So why is the government currently speculating about a period of two weeks? My best guess is that their "expert" advisers simply halved the maximum period of 4 weeks at the current growth rate.

By the way, the latest news is that Nadine Dorries, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, has been diagnosed as having contracted the virus. She was in a meeting with the PM on Thursday, 5th March, the day before noticing she felt unwell.

The government response to the Covid 19 threat seems to be quite a serious undertaking. There's an awful lot of contingency planning taking place. I think people are genuinely shocked at how contagious it is. I wonder what is really happening in parts of the world where the virus had already got a foothold before the seriousness of it was properly realised.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 11, 2020, 09:00:PM
I am sick and tired of these animal markets in China (palm civets, snakes, bats, pangolins), which have once again created a pandemic across the globe. It is possible that we will never be rid of the coronavirus, and like the 2003 SARS virus, the swine flu of 2009 and MERS of 2012 will become routine with anti-viral drugs and a possible vaccine our only defence against death.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 12, 2020, 11:05:AM
In 1957 I was a cadet nurse ( trainee ) working on a ward when Asian 'flu hit the UK. Thousands died globally and about 4,000 died here in the UK. I was unfortunately infected, naturally, because of being in the thick of it and unfortunately hospitalized myself, next to a young girl of 19 who sadly died overnight.
This was a category 2 pandemic and a vaccine was quickly sought where you had to have 2 jabs within the space of 2 or 3 weeks.
This also originated in China and the cause was birds, I think. Symptoms seemed to have been similar and affected the chest and lungs leading to pneumonia. With pneumonia we also now have sepsis in our midst and in Australia, those who've died were men in their 50's and those without underlying health problems, ages in particular are 40's 50's and 60's. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: buddy on March 12, 2020, 04:59:PM
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 12, 2020, 05:26:PM
I don't think there are many buddy and those who have tested positive have probably been to an infected country. They're very likely shot on the spot which is why we haven't heard anything  :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 12, 2020, 10:06:PM
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.

They have 28 confirmed cases so far.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102935/coronavirus-cases-by-region-in-russia/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102935/coronavirus-cases-by-region-in-russia/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 12, 2020, 11:43:PM
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.

i think russia is a bit to big for it to spread very far.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 13, 2020, 09:18:PM
In 1957 I was a cadet nurse ( trainee ) working on a ward when Asian 'flu hit the UK. Thousands died globally and about 4,000 died here in the UK. I was unfortunately infected, naturally, because of being in the thick of it and unfortunately hospitalized myself, next to a young girl of 19 who sadly died overnight.
This was a category 2 pandemic and a vaccine was quickly sought where you had to have 2 jabs within the space of 2 or 3 weeks.
This also originated in China and the cause was birds, I think. Symptoms seemed to have been similar and affected the chest and lungs leading to pneumonia. With pneumonia we also now have sepsis in our midst and in Australia, those who've died were men in their 50's and those without underlying health problems, ages in particular are 40's 50's and 60's.
I talked to a lady a few days ago who told me she had contracted Asian flu in 1960 and nearly died. She cares for her husband now, who is in a wheelchair, they are both retired and must be feeling particularly vulnerable.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 14, 2020, 01:20:PM
I talked to a lady a few days ago who told me she had contracted Asian flu in 1960 and nearly died. She cares for her husband now, who is in a wheelchair, they are both retired and must be feeling particularly vulnerable.




These type of viruses sadly don't give any immunity if they strike again as our antibodies don't recognise what they're fighting against. Because I also contracted Asian 'flu in 1957 and also with age and having had the 'flu-jab last year, like many, we are vulnerable as only a jab for a specific virus such as this would offer protection of sorts.

Unfortunately I was hospitalized a week before Christmas and picked up a " bug " ( unknowingly ) as it must have incubated during the Christmas period and during New Year I became pretty ill with symptoms described as with this virus. I'd never had a cough in my life, but had one with breathing difficulties which was much like a case of whooping cough that I couldn't get my breath, and slept, when I could, with the window wide open for air.
I also had a hand fan which I wafted to get my breath whilst coughing. I didn't seek help but stayed indoors for most of January and it was well into February that I began to feel human. In all my life I'd never felt so ill and I'm pretty robust most of the time, thankfully.

At the time I was in hospital two women had arrived from abroad and both were coughing and very ill in a bay opposite to where I was. Staff had quickly donned masks/gloves and plastic aprons and immediately moved me further down the resus ward. I swear to this day it was this virus !!  It's a killer.

I'm living like a hermit presently but have everything I need and just using common sense which is all you can do.
You'll have to take care Steve being amongst the pupils.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 14, 2020, 01:33:PM
They have 28 confirmed cases so far.
Now, 2 days later, Russia has 48 confirmed cases.

In the UK, the number of recorded cases is doubling in under 4 days and tripling in under 6 days, so there could be a million cases 36 days from now. However, official figures may be replaced by official guesses well before that.

Edit: the above was being cautious - a million cases could be reached 10 days earlier, after 10 thousand reached next weekend.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 14, 2020, 02:43:PM



These type of viruses sadly don't give any immunity if they strike again as our antibodies don't recognise what they're fighting against. Because I also contracted Asian 'flu in 1957 and also with age and having had the 'flu-jab last year, like many, we are vulnerable as only a jab for a specific virus such as this would offer protection of sorts.

Unfortunately I was hospitalized a week before Christmas and picked up a " bug " ( unknowingly ) as it must have incubated during the Christmas period and during New Year I became pretty ill with symptoms described as with this virus. I'd never had a cough in my life, but had one with breathing difficulties which was much like a case of whooping cough that I couldn't get my breath, and slept, when I could, with the window wide open for air.
I also had a hand fan which I wafted to get my breath whilst coughing. I didn't seek help but stayed indoors for most of January and it was well into February that I began to feel human. In all my life I'd never felt so ill and I'm pretty robust most of the time, thankfully.

At the time I was in hospital two women had arrived from abroad and both were coughing and very ill in a bay opposite to where I was. Staff had quickly donned masks/gloves and plastic aprons and immediately moved me further down the resus ward. I swear to this day it was this virus !!  It's a killer.

I'm living like a hermit presently but have everything I need and just using common sense which is all you can do.
You'll have to take care Steve being amongst the pupils.
I'm very sorry to hear that lookout. I also had the flu a couple of weeks ago though I'm not sure whether it was the coronavirus. The shivering soon disappeared but the cough and phlegm were harder to shake off. It's only the third time I was off work for any length of time: the other times were the winter of 1989/90 and 1993/4.

I suppose this "herd immunity" approach has been recommended by the top advisors, though it seems rather harsh as I would have thought the young and fit are placed better to shake it off rather than the old and vulnerable.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 14, 2020, 04:31:PM
I'm very sorry to hear that lookout. I also had the flu a couple of weeks ago though I'm not sure whether it was the coronavirus. The shivering soon disappeared but the cough and phlegm were harder to shake off. It's only the third time I was off work for any length of time: the other times were the winter of 1989/90 and 1993/4.

I suppose this "herd immunity" approach has been recommended by the top advisors, though it seems rather harsh as I would have thought the young and fit are placed better to shake it off rather than the old and vulnerable.





Needless to say although I'm fit enough for my years, that bout of " whatever " left its mark in that my walking distance hasn't been the same up to now but it will hopefully improve as the weather warms up.
It was definitely a chest infection of sorts, something I'd never had since 1957, but I suppose with me being older it hit me more so.

I was actually only in hospital for 6 hours while being stabilized for a rapid heartbeat  ( A/F ) and underwent a series of tests all of which were normal----thank goodness, but still a scary time.

I was never off sick at work and used to get a yearly bonus at work ( NHS ) for attendance.

The " herd immunity " was practiced years ago when childhood diseases were in progress. If the kid next door had chickenpox we were all allowed to play together. Measles and mumps the same. German measles too.
Guess who didn't catch chickenpox   ? I remained a carrier but had a shingles jab last year to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 14, 2020, 05:28:PM




Needless to say although I'm fit enough for my years, that bout of " whatever " left its mark in that my walking distance hasn't been the same up to now but it will hopefully improve as the weather warms up.
It was definitely a chest infection of sorts, something I'd never had since 1957, but I suppose with me being older it hit me more so.

I was actually only in hospital for 6 hours while being stabilized for a rapid heartbeat  ( A/F ) and underwent a series of tests all of which were normal----thank goodness, but still a scary time.

I was never off sick at work and used to get a yearly bonus at work ( NHS ) for attendance.

The " herd immunity " was practiced years ago when childhood diseases were in progress. If the kid next door had chickenpox we were all allowed to play together. Measles and mumps the same. German measles too.
Guess who didn't catch chickenpox   ? I remained a carrier but had a shingles jab last year to be on the safe side.
Hi Lookout so sorry you have been so ill.  Keep safe. X
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 16, 2020, 10:25:PM
The over-70s are to be quarantined, so it appears..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 17, 2020, 05:24:AM
This really sucks.  :(

Hopefully the spring will stop it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 17, 2020, 08:28:AM
Over the last few days, the total number of deaths in the UK related to COVID-19, expressed as a percentage of the total number of confirmed cases, has been given successively as 1.84%, 2.7% and 3.56%.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 17, 2020, 10:12:AM
I live in a house with two teenagers. Neither of them could give a monkeys about the advice regarding washing their hands or catching sneezes in tissue and then washing their hands. There are probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of teenagers who hold this level of disregard on Coronavirus. It occurred to me that no matter how much I wash my own hands or use floor wipes on every single thing that is handled in some way or form in the house, it's all probably for nothing. Any disinfecting is quickly undone by teenage casual disregard.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 17, 2020, 02:01:PM
They'd soon alter their ways if the virus came their way Roch.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 17, 2020, 03:41:PM
i think theres somthing wrong with the test its ethere givingfalse postives or false neatives
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 17, 2020, 09:27:PM
i think theres somthing wrong with the test its ethere givingfalse postives or false neatives
I don't like the idea of someone sticking a tube up your nostril. I think I'd prefer blood to be drawn.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 18, 2020, 12:40:PM
well nadine dorris had it so how nobody else in the cabnit has got it she must of breathed on them at somtime ethere some of them have got and been wongly given the all clear or she never had it in the first place.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 18, 2020, 12:57:PM
well nadine dorris had it so how nobody else in the cabnit has got it she must of breathed on them at somtime ethere some of them have got and been wongly given the all clear or she never had it in the first place.
Cant stand that woman but believe her mother had it too.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 18, 2020, 01:18:PM
That's been in the news, yes. It's thought that it's possible to pass on the virus before having any symptoms. However, I would think it's much more likely to be passed on while symptoms exist.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 18, 2020, 03:24:PM
That's been in the news, yes. It's thought that it's possible to pass on the virus before having any symptoms. However, I would think it's much more likely to be passed on while symptoms exist.

Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 18, 2020, 04:13:PM
but how did nadine test postive and the rest of the cabnittexst negative how come trump tested negative for it after shaking hands with somone who had it.

im not talking about not having no symptoms they actully tested negative.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 18, 2020, 05:39:PM
but how did nadine test postive and the rest of the cabnittexst negative how come trump tested negative for it after shaking hands with somone who had it.

im not talking about not having symptoms they actully tested negative.

You have to breath the virus in. Getting it on your hands wont do anything unless you rub your face with your hands. Someone with the virus wont have it on their hands unless they cough into their hands and don't wash them straight after.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 19, 2020, 08:43:PM
Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/03/19/what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-silent-spreaders/?ncid=webmail
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 19, 2020, 10:29:PM
Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.






Exactly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 20, 2020, 02:30:AM
In the short term, things will seem to get much worse, in that the number of officially confirmed cases will reach 10 thousand in a few days (and possibly 100 thousand early next month), and the corresponding number of deaths will increase considerably. Our health services may not be able to cope.

However, the apparent trends must change, else the total number of related deaths would exceed the total number of reported cases, which would be absurd. I think that the anticipated "peak" will occur much sooner than currently expected by the government's advisers. For Greater London, I think it will occur in April, and the rest of the UK will follow suit in May.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 20, 2020, 03:52:AM
I live in a house with two teenagers. Neither of them could give a monkeys about the advice regarding washing their hands or catching sneezes in tissue and then washing their hands. There are probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of teenagers who hold this level of disregard on Coronavirus. It occurred to me that no matter how much I wash my own hands or use floor wipes on every single thing that is handled in some way or form in the house, it's all probably for nothing. Any disinfecting is quickly undone by teenage casual disregard.

Show them this video.

https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 20, 2020, 06:02:AM
I live in a house with two teenagers.
Do you have a room or garage that can be used as an isolation unit?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 20, 2020, 09:44:AM
Show them this video.

https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)

They wouldn't be arsed. Customer I am currently working with is from Bergamo. His mam is still in touch with people from there. She told me everyone knows somebody who has died.

Does anyone check this site? It takes a while for the numbers to update.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 20, 2020, 10:34:AM
I've used it occasionally. It says Bergamo ran out of intensive care beds a few days ago.

Current advice is that paracetamol is to be preferred to ibuprofen as a fever treatment if COVID-19 is suspected.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 20, 2020, 11:36:AM
Bondi beach is swamped with people enjoying 32 degree heat !?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 20, 2020, 11:45:AM
364 deaths in Spain, in last 48 hours alone. Germany appears to be fairing well in comparison.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 20, 2020, 12:20:PM
Goodness me. I have to ask myself if we as a country would be prepared for a high volume of deaths in so short a time.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 20, 2020, 06:15:PM
Country in lockdown: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51969508
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 20, 2020, 06:36:PM
UK has the fifth highest toll for new deaths in last 24 hours.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 20, 2020, 06:58:PM
My last outing was to Asda last week ( Wed ) nowhere else since and I'm staying put.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 20, 2020, 08:58:PM
My last outing was to Asda last week ( Wed ) nowhere else since and I'm staying put.
Good for you Lookout!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 21, 2020, 01:39:PM
Bondi beach is swamped with people enjoying 32 degree heat !?
Sorted.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 03:20:PM
The Aussies blame Europe and the USA for bringing the virus into the country, not the Chinese, although I suppose it was alright when they were spending their money there.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 03:59:PM
https://youtu.be/ohO8eAwi_po
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 04:03:PM
as i suspected false postives.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32133832
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 04:13:PM
this resarch is new so cant be taken as fact.


but looks promising. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v2
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 04:15:PM
That's more like it nugs.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 04:16:PM
What on earth is going on in Italy ? Over 3,000 deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 04:25:PM
What on earth is going on in Italy ? Over 3,000 deaths.

well you would have to know how many average deaths there are in itally every year for statistec to mean much.

italy has the most elderly population in the eu and the highest number of smokers.

and test are giving out false postives its afair bet a lot of those people dident die of the virus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 04:43:PM
Coronavirus first emerged in the 1960's as MERS- CoV to which there was no cure and not even a vaccine because nobody knew how to treat it or what it was, but it didn't kill as many back then, so this virus isn't a new one. A risk assessment of MERS was given in August of last year----symptoms the same as Coronavirus. I have to ask myself if this virus now was expected as I'd reckoned on it having been present in at least November last year and very possibly September so plenty of time for it to have incubated from person to person unknowingly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 05:00:PM
this resarch is new so cant be taken as fact.


but looks promising. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v2






Interesting video which I've been saying all along regarding seasonal 'flu. When we suffered the beast from the East there were over 500,000 deaths in this country but there was no lockdown or urgent messages given out.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:02:PM
https://youtu.be/myJONz-1cME
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2020, 05:16:PM
Not sure what is going on but the UK has a experienced roughly a tenfold decrease in new deaths, over the last 24 hours, compared with the prev 24 hours. It has gone from having the fifth highest rate of new deaths to the 19th highest rate of new deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:22:PM
Not sure what is going on but the UK has a experienced roughly a tenfold decrease in new deaths, over the last 24 hours, compared with the prev 24 hours. It has gone from having the fifth highest rate of new deaths to the 19th highest rate of new deaths.

were are yu getin your figures from roch

miht be the fact the testin kits are giving out false postives,

or it the fact a lot of those who deied were allready seriously before they cought the virus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 21, 2020, 05:26:PM
https://youtu.be/myJONz-1cME






Makes you wonder doesn't it ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2020, 05:29:PM
were are yu getin your figures from roch

miht be the fact the testin kits are giving out false postives,

From here Nuggsy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 21, 2020, 05:38:PM
From here Nuggsy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Damn. 4800 dead in Italy.  :(
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:41:PM
what the italian ddocters report wish i could speak itlian.

https://www.repubblica.it/salute/medicina-e-ricerca/2020/03/16/news/coronavirus_studio_il_50-75_dei_casi_a_vo_sono_asintomatici_e_molto_contagiosi-251474302/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 21, 2020, 05:46:PM
The site I use has not updated properly, so there is no good news on new deaths in UK! The new deaths rate per 24 hours is still rising. Apologies for misinformation.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:47:PM
seeing as they cant evenbe sure the test is acurate.


they cant know the death statiscs are correct,


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 05:55:PM
spanish docters warn that the panic could overload the system more than the virus.

https://twitter.com/NeurologaenSAS/status/1239498772570308609
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 06:47:PM
this law is alarming and a total overreaction https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-bill-what-it-will-do/what-the-coronavirus-bill-will-do#protecting-and-supporting-people
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 21, 2020, 08:27:PM
. . . there is no good news on new deaths in UK!
Total deaths will rise in the short term, easily reaching 1000 within a few days, but the rate of increase will soon drop dramatically (edit: there's a hint of this already - it may take a week, rather than a few days, for 1000 to be reached). If it didn't, the entire UK population would be dead within a few months, which is definitely not going to happen.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 08:57:PM
media genrated hystria panic sells papers
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 21, 2020, 10:46:PM
dr wolgang.

https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 22, 2020, 01:18:AM
Damn. 4800 dead in Italy.  :(

13,000 deaths so far.  :(

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 11:48:AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?utm_campaign=pol&utm_medium=bd&utm_source=applenews&fbclid=IwAR0WnM0lT1xPD-dDWKXHvY2jxbyvBXFfJN_JkZwGG9Sstdll2yCh2-Ezkko
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 11:51:AM
13,000 deaths so far.  :(

i very much doubt they all deid of the virus have they had 13 thousand inuests i doubt it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 22, 2020, 01:38:PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 01:52:PM
most of the poeople who have deid would of deid anyway.

there they  had other serious condidtions infact its highly debateble weather the virus did kill them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 22, 2020, 02:02:PM
 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8137391/Trials-begin-British-coronavirus-vaccine-Governments-secret-science-base-Porton-Down.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8137391/Trials-begin-British-coronavirus-vaccine-Governments-secret-science-base-Porton-Down.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 22, 2020, 02:22:PM
they will probely kill more people with the vacines than deid from the virus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 22, 2020, 09:58:PM
Who are "they" and what evidence supports your comment?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 12:28:AM
there lowering the standards for testing the vachines

cuba alsready has a drug that treats the virus.

what evedence have i got read the thread i have posted umpteen links.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 01:07:AM
https://t.co/DZ79GHIJTx?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 23, 2020, 04:30:AM
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 12:41:PM
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 12:43:PM
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.

untested ones may do

yes the chances of death vacines are slim but they still exist and this ones not even going to be tested properly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 02:21:PM
italy has the worst air uality in the eu.

https://twitter.com/esa/status/1238480433047916545
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 02:31:PM
more from italy.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 23, 2020, 06:17:PM
Over 2000 killed in Spain.  Over 6,000 killed in Italy.  :(
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 23, 2020, 06:28:PM
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.

You can get Interferon alpha-2b on prescription. I guess that's the kind of drug they giving people in hospitals now.  :-\

(http://www.pharmaturca.com/store/makethumb.aspx?file=3996271-img_3377.jpg&intSize=500)

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 07:25:PM
i notice theres not that many deaths in germany i wonder thats becouse the calculating the stats properly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 23, 2020, 07:36:PM
i notice theres not that many deaths in germany i wonder thats becouse the calculating the stats properly.

They only have 422 recovered patients with 28,516 active cases. I'd expect it to balance out sooner or later.   
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 10:59:PM
well i know italy are crap at puting out stats and genrally ermany are pretty good at it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 23, 2020, 11:59:PM
only 12 percent of the deaths in italy list the virus at the couse.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:02:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 24, 2020, 05:51:AM
They should have tested far more and tracked down the source of the virus in every separate country. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-the-coronavirus-curve/ar-BB11AJwA?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 09:07:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 10:10:AM
They should have tested far more and tracked down the source of the virus in every separate country. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-the-coronavirus-curve/ar-BB11AJwA?ocid=spartanntp

Ah, the magic superpower of hindsight.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 10:25:AM
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/eci.13222
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 10:52:AM
https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 11:47:AM
https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html

The author of that article is a conspiracy loon with no medical credentials.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:09:PM
The author of that article is a conspiracy loon with no medical credentials.

i know but he is qauting what the world health rgnisation actully said if you read it carefully.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:20:PM
https://russia-insider.com/en/corona-very-mild-virus-no-more-deadly-many-others-we-dont-make-fuss-about/ri28444
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:23:PM
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/older-people-who-died-in-hospital-england-2017/older-people-who-died-in-hospital-england-2017
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 12:25:PM
i know but he is qauting what the world health rgnisation actully said if you read it carefully.

No he isn't.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:26:PM
No he isn't.

read it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 12:29:PM
read it.

I have.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200306-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-who-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus (https://www.france24.com/en/20200306-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-who-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 12:42:PM
they  dont say anything about lockdowns been needed just a lot more texting and more cornation by overments and helth services.

so he is qautin them correctly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 24, 2020, 12:55:PM
This was written in a 2016 book on Coronaviruses.

"Coronaviruses have made a remarkable career. Originally recognized
as viral pathogens of veterinary importance but little medical (i.e., human)
relevance, the appearance of SARS-CoV causing a worldwide epidemic
with a large number of fatalities has changed everything. In 2003, the virus
emerged in Chinese animal markets to circle the world in just a few weeks,
teaching us important new lessons on perceived “differences” between animal
and human pathogens. Just in case someone did not get the message,
MERS-CoV repeated the coronavirus wake-up call 10 years later, providing
yet another example for how easily animal viruses may be transmitted and
adapt to new hosts including humans. Often, the tricks and strategies that
viruses evolved to propagate in specific animal hosts may only need some
fine-tuning (if at all) to enter the wide world of human crowds, air travel,
and camel races. Here, we will summarize the insights gathered so far on
an important aspect of virulence and host adaptation, the interactions of
SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV with antiviral interferon (IFN) responses of
human cells
"

The Chinese really should implement better hygiene regulations. This has happened twice now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 24, 2020, 04:57:PM
Nearly 11 thousand UK cases in total two days from now, and possibly 20 thousand by next Monday, but it could have been a lot higher. By next Monday, there may have been over a thousand more deaths, after the total reaching 1 thousand next weekend.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 05:05:PM
Nearly 11 thousand UK cases in total two days from now, and possibly 20 thousand by next Monday, but it could have been a lot higher. By next Monday, there may have been over a thousand more deaths, after the total reaching 1 thousand next weekend.

but the who say we are testing enough so do they really know theres 11 thousand or do they just or are there possbly a lot more.

ethere way theres good and bad it could  be more conagios but less deadly or less contaigous but more deadly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 08:21:PM
this from 2008 when the said millons would die of the swine turned out to be bollocks dident it.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/influenzaAH1N1_presstranscript_20090611.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 09:34:PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-lockdown-lunacy-1001322696
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 09:36:PM
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucharit_Bhakdi
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 24, 2020, 11:29:PM
http://disq.us/t/3mupemp?fbclid=IwAR0UBe1biV5OL3SoeujTFFcYzCg0foBNUc5hSrGzfkIQOFr8stOuB0WmLPU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 12:06:AM
https://youtu.be/JBB9bA-gXL4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 08:11:AM
https://archive.fo/cgCff
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 08:34:AM
death rate overall is low.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 25, 2020, 09:20:AM
. . . the WHO say we are testing enough . . .
Do you have a link for that? Are they referring to the UK or countries in general?

I  think we do need more testing, mainly in relation to hospitals, nursing homes, etc., but also to provide information that will help us understand this epidemic better. It's lack of understanding that has caused the current overreactions.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 01:07:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/24/hope-havent-overreacted-coronavirus-wrecked-grandsons-future/#comments
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 25, 2020, 03:32:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/24/hope-havent-overreacted-coronavirus-wrecked-grandsons-future/#comments
I don't see what else they could do, given that they haven't yet discovered a vaccine.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 25, 2020, 03:38:PM
Did anyone experience any of the symptoms, (fever and/or repetitive dry cough) in Nov / Dec / Jan?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 25, 2020, 03:43:PM
Did anyone experience any of the symptoms, (fever and/or repetitive dry cough) in Nov / Dec / Jan?
I had a mild flu with phlegm, which I was told is not one of the symptoms of the coronavirus.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 04:28:PM
tthe peolem is health serice is likely to be oerun with people who think they have it i mean how would you know for sure with you had cv19 or the normal flue unless you hae test.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 05:18:PM
https://www.cybermednews.eu/index.php/it/health/70871-interview-to-the-virologist-giulio-tarro-the-death-rate-of-covid-19-is-less-than-1-as-confirmed-by-the-national-institute-of-allergy-and-infectious-diseases
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 25, 2020, 06:50:PM
Only 37.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 25, 2020, 07:51:PM
Only 37.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html)

doesnt really tell you if he had any other helth problems.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 11:33:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/25/two-thirds-patients-die-coronavirus-would-have-died-year-anyway/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 11:34:AM
isuppose if prince  chrles pulls throuhas hes in the hih risk group

that willbe the test.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 02:02:PM
https://youtu.be/A0JqQyl09zQ?t=18
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 03:53:PM
http://ocregister.ca.newsmemory.com/?publink=2dfe1522e
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 08:05:PM
https://youtu.be/wtV3krGIuJk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 09:53:PM
https://youtu.be/6-IpYgEfUqA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 26, 2020, 10:13:PM
https://youtu.be/6-IpYgEfUqA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 27, 2020, 03:13:AM
I don't see what else they could do, given that they haven't yet discovered a vaccine.
There are various things that could be done.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 27, 2020, 04:03:AM
85,000 confirmed cases in the USA now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 10:06:AM
i cant see how a lockdown can possle work they cant  lock the country down forever and when they end the locdown everyone will chare out and spread it agian.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 27, 2020, 10:49:AM
It will emerge again as the isolation period isn't long enough considering it's a pandemic. By winter, it'll have mutated.

As you say nugs, after lockdown people will forget !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 27, 2020, 11:49:AM
Boris has the virus: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 12:48:PM
this the anul number of flue deaths for the usa.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 01:42:PM
https://youtu.be/e66-8_JXq6o
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 27, 2020, 05:14:PM
Grim new deaths total today. 181 last time I checked. That's 66 up from yesterday's 115. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 05:34:PM
Grim new deaths total today. 181 last time I checked. That's 66 up from yesterday's 115.

the death toll isnt completly reialble you have people they suspect deid from it and confirmed cases plis how many had other ilsnesses that they would of deid from anyway.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 27, 2020, 06:06:PM
this the anul number of flue deaths for the usa.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Influenza has a mortality rate of 0.1%. The mortality rate for Coronaviruses is around 5 to 10%.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 06:13:PM
Influenza has a mortality rate of 0.1%. The mortality rate for Coronaviruses is around 5 to 10%.

remaind to be proved what the percentage rate it is for cv sd there still testing for it they ont how many people have it so you cant give a certan percentage rate.

did you see the govermen linj i postd it say its been taking off the serious list becouse death rate is over all low 3 percent isnt low
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 27, 2020, 06:19:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 07:19:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?

thats out of a populationof 70 millonor so

the chines death rate looks eye watering untill you consider theres over 1 billon of them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on March 27, 2020, 07:30:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?
Awful Roch and everyone is someone’s parent or child etc.  They aren’t just numbers.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 27, 2020, 07:34:PM
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919.  The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?

Their healthcare system can’t cope with the cases. They have a hospital capacity of 3 beds per 1000 of their population. Whereas Germany has the highest capacity in Europe with 8 beds per 1000 people.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 27, 2020, 10:35:PM
https://bit.ly/CoronaSense
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 01:22:AM
the ferrys still seem to be running.

https://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/ferry-routes/ferries-france
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 28, 2020, 04:19:AM
Not long ago, China reported their highest number of deaths in a single day, but the corresponding figure 3 days later was the lowest for about a month, and it reduced to a "trickle" 2 weeks after that. This was hard to predict for China, and what happens in other countries will also be hard to foresee. A similarly sudden reduction in numbers is a possibility, but we should perhaps consider different parts of the UK separately.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:19:AM
read the stats on flue deaths in italy in 2015 they had high death rate the then higher than the rest of the eu.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 28, 2020, 10:36:AM
read the stats on flue deaths in italy in 2015 they had high death rate the then higher than the rest of the eu.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
They have the oldest population demographic in Europe. Germany comes second but because like the UK the elderly tend not to live with the extended family the virus may have become more contained. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-germany-cases-death-toll-italy-spain-bavaria-lockdown-a9424591.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:41:AM
this guy says the mortaility rate is less than 1 percent.

https://www.cybermednews.eu/index.php/it/health/70871-interview-to-the-virologist-giulio-tarro-the-death-rate-of-covid-19-is-less-than-1-as-confirmed-by-the-national-institute-of-allergy-and-infectious-diseases
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:47:AM
21 thousant people end up in intensie care with flue every year.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/20/britons-urged-to-get-flu-vaccine-as-critical-cases-rise-above-2000
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:52:AM
its likely to peak in 3 weaks.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-now-likely-to-cope-with-coronavirus-says-key-scientist-rn5m6nggk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 28, 2020, 05:55:PM
It will take about 3 days for another 10 thousand people (with severe symptoms) to test positive. Meanwhile, people arriving from Europe are handed a leaflet that explains whether they need to go and _____ themselves. No test of any kind is required of them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 09:04:PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/neil-ferguson-scientist-convinced-boris-johnson-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-criticised/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on March 28, 2020, 09:14:PM
One in every 3,325 people will die in the UK, is currently what we are being told will represent a good result.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 09:41:PM
theye talked up the predicted figures on purpse to make it look like they have done a good job.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 28, 2020, 10:35:PM
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 12:27:AM
acording to this guy the death rate is rate is 0.5 percent.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-strictly-by-the-numbers-the-coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/#comments
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 29, 2020, 06:21:AM
That's just a casual estimate. Until better data is available, we don't know.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 01:23:PM
euy from stanforduniversity.

https://youtu.be/d6MZy-2fcBw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 01:51:PM
avent we been here before

https://www.rt.com/news/swine-flu-false-pandemic/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 02:14:PM
acording to this guy the death rate is rate is 0.5 percent.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-strictly-by-the-numbers-the-coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/#comments

Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 02:18:PM
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.

thats not disnformation thats a fact you xxxxx the only nown disinfo spreader on here is you.

if you dont like it take it up with rt.

do you think the links to the gaurdion and the telgraph are disinfo as well you xxxx.


how the xxxx would someone be killed be reading somthing.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 02:34:PM
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 02:37:PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html)


so the daily telgraph and the gaurdion are spreading conspriacys linking the guys from stanford univerity are conspriacy theorists are the they.

to do you have a working brian cell.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 02:51:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/russian-media-spreading-covid-19-disinformation (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/russian-media-spreading-covid-19-disinformation)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 02:56:PM
is this mana russian agent then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunetra_Gupta

are the daily telgraph russian agents ware the tronto sun russian agents is peter hitchins a russian agent.

maybe the uk goverment website i linked to is controlled by russia as well.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 03:21:PM
this is from the brittish medical journel

thouh acording to david there russian agents.

https://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c3033
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 04:51:PM
from those russian agents in the daily mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164121/Professor-predicted-500-000-Britons-die-coronavirus-accused-having-patchy-record.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 29, 2020, 05:08:PM
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/ (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 29, 2020, 05:12:PM
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/ (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/)

whos denying it nobodys saying it isnt real just people most of them medical professenils are qustions the whos stats.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 29, 2020, 07:55:PM
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.
Anything constructive to offer?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 01:38:AM
abit from the spectater.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 30, 2020, 11:35:AM
Anything constructive to offer?

https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers (https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 12:28:PM
the people say it mostlyare doctors what it should be sayin is  how  drrespons to  another docters opionion.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 02:34:PM
here is the average death rate in eroupe.


https://www.euromomo.eu/slices/map_2017_2020.html

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/number.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 03:12:PM
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/03/lord-sumption-speaks-against-hysteria-driven-government-policy-.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 05:08:PM
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308763380_Geographical_patterns_of_mesothelioma_incidence_and_asbestos_exposure_in_Lombardy_Italy
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 05:21:PM
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/876005/Weekly_all_cause_mortality_surveillance_week_13_2020_report.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on March 30, 2020, 07:43:PM
https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers (https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers)
That response doesn't score highly for rationality. She initially comes out with "it’s critically important for us all to be on the same page". What exactly does that mean? One sentence states there is no treatment for COVID-19, but the next says how many patients are admitted to hospital for treatment for shortness of breath (a common symptom of COVID-19), so there is treatment available for the symptoms. That's not vastly different from treating influenza, especially if the patient hasn't been vaccinated. Also, it asserts the mortality for COVID-19 is high, then immediately states that it's between 1% and 3%, but how is that known? It's admitted in the following paragraph that due to shortage of testing, it isn't known how many people have been affected, so how is the mortality known? Also, the eventual health problems caused by social distancing and consequential economic problems aren't considered at all. The response acknowledges that what really seems to be protective is youth, so why close the schools that young people attend? What is known about mortality for such young people?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 09:05:PM
they dont have the power to do this surely.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/overzealous-police-use-coronavirus-powers-charge-shoppers-buying/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 10:04:PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30790685
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 30, 2020, 10:42:PM
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nndss/conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus-associated-mortality/case-definition/2019/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: handyman on March 31, 2020, 01:11:AM
Quote
In a strange twist of fate, it seems the first coronavirus patient to be infected in the UK is from Haslemere -the very place we used for our 2018 citizen science experiment: the BBC Pandemic.
https://twitter.com/FryRsquared/status/1234491909470638083

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/NINTCHDBPICT000567752305-1.jpg?w=620)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 01:40:AM
https://youtu.be/qUWZA43UblM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 10:58:AM
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 04:35:PM
peirs vs peter https://youtu.be/p4xsk-SMA_8
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 31, 2020, 06:19:PM
One sentence states there is no treatment for COVID-19, but the next says how many patients are admitted to hospital for treatment for shortness of breath (a common symptom of COVID-19), so there is treatment available for the symptoms.

No, it states that it has no "established treatments" contrary to the flu having licensed antiviral drugs and vaccines. Doctors having experience in treating flu.

Also, it asserts the mortality for COVID-19 is high, then immediately states that it's between 1% and 3%, but how is that known?

Its called an estimate.

The response acknowledges that what really seems to be protective is youth, so why close the schools that young people attend?

So they don't take the virus home with them and expose their parents ect. 

That response doesn't score highly for rationality.

Perhaps it's more your lack of comprehension/critical thinking?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 06:43:PM
what is this doctors credintails david.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on March 31, 2020, 07:37:PM
This all seems to be due to the Chinese governments reckless initial response. That being silence the doctors and pretend it don't exist.


"December 21: Wuhan doctors begin to notice a “cluster of pneumonia cases with an unknown cause.”

"December 30: Dr. Li Wenliang sent a message to a group of other doctors warning them about a possible outbreak of an illness that resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), urging them to take protective measures against infection."

"January 1: The Wuhan Public Security Bureau issued summons to Dr. Li Wenliang, accusing him of “spreading rumors.” Two days later, at a police station, Dr. Li signed a statement acknowledging his “misdemeanor” and promising not to commit further “unlawful acts.” Seven other people are arrested on similar charges and their fate is unknown."

"January 8: Chinese medical authorities claim to have identified the virus. Those authorities claim and Western media continue to repeat, “there is no evidence that the new virus is readily spread by humans, which would make it particularly dangerous, and it has not been tied to any deaths.”

"January 23: Chinese authorities announce their first steps for a quarantine of Wuhan. By this point, millions have already visited the city and left it during the Lunar New Year celebrations. Singapore and Vietnam report their first cases, and by now an unknown but significant number of Chinese citizens have traveled abroad as asymptomatic, oblivious carriers."



https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/)


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/03/29/commentary/world-commentary/chinas-misplaced-pandemic-propaganda/#.XoOEcohKjIU (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/03/29/commentary/world-commentary/chinas-misplaced-pandemic-propaganda/#.XoOEcohKjIU)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 07:45:PM
https://youtu.be/CDBVwqNOBXY
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 07:48:PM
so the doctor you linked what is crediantails david.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 31, 2020, 08:14:PM
Stay safe and well everyone. xx
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 31, 2020, 09:09:PM
there still evicting people really looks like there takin this seriously doesnt it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-eviction-landlord-tenant-uk-boris-johnson-ban-a9427361.html?fbclid=IwAR24rr_dGOlOXcuUn2AqpJ_9VXr_fEAL41aO-fUMNDPms4OAepZ0ou9j5TE
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 01, 2020, 12:04:AM
Two apparently healthy teenagers have died in London after contracting coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-healthy-boy-13-is-youngest-uk-victim-11966526 (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-healthy-boy-13-is-youngest-uk-victim-11966526)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 01, 2020, 08:09:AM
No, it states that it has no "established treatments" contrary to the flu having licensed antiviral drugs and vaccines. Doctors having experience in treating flu.
You're misquoting. The article states "Flu has established treatments; COVID-19 does not." However, it doesn't state that "established" refers to approved drugs, doesn't mention antiviral drugs as a treatment for influenza, and though it goes on to mention vaccines, influenza vaccines aren't a treatment, they're a preventative measure. In any case, it's clear that the sentence I referred to is the later sentence, "With COVID-19 we don’t have a treatment." That sentence doesn't use "established". Treatments such as providing extra oxygen (and use of various kinds of apparatus to assist breathing), giving paracetamol to reduce fever, etc., for specific symptoms, are available, and are used.

It's called an estimate.
Again, you're misquoting. The article doesn't use the word "estimate". It states "the mortality for COVID-19 is high. It’s between 1-3% compared to the flu which is 0.1%."

So they don't take the virus home with them and expose their parents etc.
There's something in that, but the article doesn't give that reason, and that reason doesn't justify closing boarding schools.

By the way, did you hear Dr Jenny Harries answering questions on Sunday (I think) at the Downing Street press conference? She kept repeating what she'd already said, sometimes completely ignoring the specific questions she'd been asked.

Perhaps it's more your lack of comprehension/critical thinking?
No such lack. There's more guff in the article that I could have drawn attention to.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 09:52:AM
https://t.co/3aTj3NmY9y?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 01:45:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/23/scientists-effects-coronavirus-children-studies-carriers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

theres no evdence that children spread it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 04:17:PM
ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8174967/Nearly-FIFTH-UK-firms-shut-four-weeks.html

bastards
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 01, 2020, 06:40:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/23/scientists-effects-coronavirus-children-studies-carriers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

theres no evdence that children spread it.

Do you even read the articles you post and comment on?

“ Crucially, although the majority of younger people and children will develop symptoms little worse than flu, they could be invisible carriers of the virus – and play a key role in its spread.”

” Every school day, children congregate en masse, often in close proximity, and then return home, taking with them any new infection they’ve picked up. ”

😂
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 06:52:PM
Do you even read the articles you post and comment on?

“ Crucially, although the majority of younger people and children will develop symptoms little worse than flu, they could be invisible carriers of the virus – and play a key role in its spread.”

” Every school day, children congregate en masse, often in close proximity, and then return home, taking with them any new infection they’ve picked up. ”

😂

yes i read it dickhead its no evdence blearly you dident read it properly it helps if you read from start to finish.

hard evidence to support this belief is still lacking. did you miss that bit.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 01, 2020, 07:40:PM
The total deaths in the UK related to COVID-19 have been at least tripling each week and will probably reach 5 thousand at the weekend and 10 thousand in the week after that. Many of these will have been of people hospitalized before the current "lockdown" was introduced.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 08:04:PM
well heres the stats at the moment but you have to rember there a diffrence bettween with and of.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwilib-f9cfoAhXSYMAKHWA-CLUQ0PADMAB6BAgHEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-563-more-people-die-with-covid-19-in-uk-bringing-total-to-2-352-11966771&usg=AOvVaw107apPkpHbtnCJocXSaETR
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 01, 2020, 09:36:PM
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 09:17:AM
from sceince diret stats dont back what is being cliamed.

https://t.co/Jwgy212vnc?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 10:35:AM
https://t.co/ncxpbb6LX2?amp=1

here are the stats for seasonal flue deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 02:46:PM
its says here the test are at times only 30 percent acurate if so how can the stats be considred reliable.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 02, 2020, 09:43:PM
That's a fair point. Testing is mainly of those hospitalized, so does relate to the availability of hospital beds. The total count of people who have tested positive is likely to reach 50 thousand in the report published on Monday (6th April, 2020) and 100 thousand about 5 days after that. The corresponding figure published today was 33718. Where the test yields a false negative, the patient usually remains in hospital if they have severe symptoms, but some such patients have died before being retested.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 02, 2020, 10:55:PM
abit from the bbc

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 03, 2020, 07:27:PM
The reported deaths must include some cases where death was approaching anyway. There is still concern anyway about the NHS becoming overwhelmed. The "official" UK death total looks likely to reach 5000 on Sunday, 10000 on Wednesday and 16000 on next Friday.

Edit: it now looks like 10000 will be passed on Saturday and 16000 on Tuesday. The daily increase is currently averaging about 15%, a figure that has been drifting lower only rather gradually. It will be interesting to see on 15th April whether the "lockdown" seems to have speeded up that downward drift.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 03, 2020, 09:47:PM
well the whosfigures are certanly being disputed.

https://fee.org/articles/oxford-based-group-stops-using-who-data-for-coronavirus-reporting-citing-errors/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 06, 2020, 09:27:PM
Boris Johnson has been placed in intensive care.  :-\

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 07, 2020, 05:02:PM
are so this lockdown is supposed to save lives

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fvoxpoliticalonline.com%2F2020%2F04%2F03%2Fcoronavirus-are-people-with-disabilities-being-left-to-starve-in-breach-of-the-tory-governments-pledge%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2cgY1HRARs4X8Pr6b6f1vVsGN2ACwe8EpvCPIwMJlSY7QdYO3QVxhJ-YU&h=AT1gBUJgHFy9X_keRuixgeacddnp6i-mS0Zy_MLKrOysm5UwUieFTn-CBK3aRqHgyNu5VVzm5968rsx1YB4JTour1Xn5vpc5tE-93Wwp-C4bWXBVY7aKvFBc2PtaxlXYUZRdz6eWju_89tc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2020, 06:14:PM
https://statistics.blf.org.uk/pneumonia
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 08, 2020, 07:14:PM
In your Vox Political link, one finds the assertion that the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to a certain group of particularly at risk people, which is nonsense.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2020, 07:40:PM
In your Vox Political link, one finds the assertion that the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to a certain group of particularly at risk people, which is nonsense.

noit doesnt say there being refused nhs tratment it says there bein left in there homes to fend for themselves when the goverment promised they would be looked after.

there not talking about the virus there talking aboutvunlurble people who may not be able to et out to shop
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 08, 2020, 07:45:PM
here  https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coronavirus-blind-baptist-minister-fears-disabled-people-could-be-left-to-starve/


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-new-measures-to-protect-people-at-highest-risk-from-coronavirus
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 09, 2020, 09:37:AM
it doesn't say they're being refused NHS treatment; it says they're being left in their homes to fend for themselves when the government promised they would be looked after.
It separately (and untruthfully) gives the statement below (quoted exactly).

Remember: the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to anybody with the disabilities in its list, if they contract it.

It's interesting to note that one of the reasons given for the "lockdown" was to "flatten the curve" and hence reduce the pressure on the NHS. Now, though, we're being told to obey the new rules strictly, so as to "reach the other side of the peak" sooner. However, a likely consequence of the "lockdown", in addition to "flattening the curve", is that both the "peak" and "the other side of the peak" occur later, not sooner.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 11:57:AM
well i dont know they banned all the nurses and doctors from speaking  so they clearly have somthing to hide.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 12:55:PM
theres somthing about it her as welll https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/09/nice-guidelines-coronavirus-pandemic-disabled
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 04:01:PM
what do they have to hide i wonder https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/09/nhs-staff-forbidden-speaking-out-publicly-about-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR2-2eKVcxLBgb_5ZYpwR7U6tfAIfJiA3ygg_VpaJVX6mfwhyVN1Nn4LtAQ
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 09, 2020, 04:20:PM
I think the government wants to avoid panic. But healthcare professionals will find a way of speaking out anonymously if they feel the need.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 04:32:PM
I think the government wants to avoid panic. But healthcare professionals will find a way of speaking out anonymously if they feel the need.

if the gverment really wants to aviod panic they should do somthing about the bbc and sky nthey seem to be tryin to scare everyone shitless.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: maggie on April 09, 2020, 05:31:PM
It separately (and untruthfully) gives the statement below (quoted exactly).

Remember: the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to anybody with the disabilities in its list, if they contract it.

It's interesting to note that one of the reasons given for the "lockdown" was to "flatten the curve" and hence reduce the pressure on the NHS. Now, though, we're being told to obey the new rules strictly, so as to "reach the other side of the peak" sooner. However, a likely consequence of the "lockdown", in addition to "flattening the curve", is that both the "peak" and "the other side of the peak" occur later, not sooner.
As far as I am aware the government does not have the authority to tell anyone in the NHS who should or should not be treated.  It is for doctors to decide on any individual’s treatment and the aim is always to preserve life.  ‘Do not resuscitate’ is a treatment which has been agreed, when resuscitation will serve no purpose but more likely cause unnecessary suffering to the patient.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 09, 2020, 08:39:PM
the cheif medical officer is say the death toll is much lower than hospitals are reporting.

https://t.co/DF6CnalBBN?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 10, 2020, 01:09:PM
A very sad occurrence: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52242516
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2020, 01:48:PM
not normally fan of fox but this is intresting.

https://youtu.be/_qWmiWf81zI
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 10, 2020, 08:28:PM
For the UK, the reported daily deaths are still gradually increasing, today's count being a little short of 1 thousand. The trend seems to be that this count will peak about 5 days from now at a little over 1,100, and then decline for around 11 days. This decline might be more rapid, as in China, but might remain slightly above zero for considerably longer if some people arriving in the country already have the disease, or the disease spreads to small communities that are currently hardly affected (such as the Isle of Man and some care homes, nursing homes, and so on, that haven't yet been affected).  Even an 11-day decline would mean that the overall total deaths would exceed 22 thousand, which is about two and a half times the current total.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 10, 2020, 08:56:PM
i thouht they were flatnin the cure it should be going down b now not uo.

dont foret 2 thirds of them would oprobely deied this year acoring to the goverment.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 10, 2020, 10:05:PM
I think they've slightly increased the time allegedly needed for the current "lockdown" to show an effect in the official counts. I didn't post a corresponding trend for the published daily totals of positive tests because the peak would have been about now or tomorrow, making it simpler to just wait and see what happens - hence my earlier comment about this week being of especial interest.

Edit: I meant now or tomorrow in London, not the UK as a whole.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2020, 07:05:PM
the nhs is pausin the collection of data.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/critical-care-capacity/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 12, 2020, 12:26:PM
The statistics info it links to is missing from the website, but is as shown below.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 12, 2020, 12:46:PM
https://youtu.be/YfG9nmAnQp4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 12, 2020, 06:05:PM
 ithought this as well

https://t.co/quAp4ueDKB?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 12, 2020, 06:27:PM
Tim Brooke-Taylor had died: https://youtu.be/LKDgb2WAU90
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 13, 2020, 03:50:PM
Face masks..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-wearing-face-masks-in-public-will-likely-become-new-norm-says-who-expert/ar-BB12yCnJ?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2020, 09:12:PM
ok lookits an over run hospital https://t.co/4B8t6xjRvt?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 14, 2020, 02:59:AM
Please, be cautious, don't believe everything those in so called power are trying desperately hard to make us (the public believe), - my personal opinion is that we should not, and there is no need for the public at large to all be on lockdown!

Neither, you, me, or them, will die under the banner of this 'Covid - 19' by simply being outside in the open (fresh air).However, the distancing advice the public are being given should be strictly adhered to...

Lockdown, in the current climate, is detrimental to the mental health of the worlds population(s)..

There is a known cure, but it has consequences for patient to patient - the virus can be eliminated within two to three days (at a cost)...

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 14, 2020, 03:03:AM
Please, be cautious, don't believe everything those in so called power are trying desperately hard to make us (the public believe), - my personal opinion is that we should not, and there is no need for the public at large to all be on lockdown!

Neither, you, me, or them, will die under the banner of this 'Covid - 19' by simply being outside in the open (fresh air).However, the distancing advice the public are being given should be strictly adhered to...

Lockdown, in the current climate, is detrimental to the mental health of the worlds population(s)..

There is a known cure, but it has consequences for patient to patient - the virus can be eliminated within two to three days (at a cost)...

The vaccine is available, but there is a cost!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 14, 2020, 06:36:AM
Trials are underway of various drugs and drug combinations. Remdesivir, for example, is intended to target the virus directly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 14, 2020, 06:38:PM
the death rates romrose signifaantly in 2016 but the govermentdident look down or even seem to give a shit.

https://t.co/Bk2RlkIo5Q?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 14, 2020, 08:40:PM
Over the last few days, the reported numbers of positive tests for COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly higher than expected, yet the reported numbers of deaths related to COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly lower than expected. This doesn't seem to make much sense, but may reflect an increase in testing, combined with either better treatment of those severely affected or different procedures for recording deaths.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2020, 10:48:AM
this is turning into a bloody farce.

https://t.co/3RiEQBvPox
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 15, 2020, 01:30:PM
im not sure about dr shiva was intresting. thouh

https://youtu.be/Pxi3rXZccpg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 15, 2020, 08:15:PM
im not sure about dr shiva was intresting.

https://youtu.be/Pxi3rXZccpg
I think short term we have to develop the vaccine. Afterwards we can start to address the concerns Dr. Shiva raises.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 11:18:AM
http://www.theblogmire.com/a-comparison-of-lockdown-uk-with-non-lockdown-sweden/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 16, 2020, 01:55:PM
I think short term we have to develop the vaccine. Afterwards we can start to address the concerns Dr. Shiva raises.

"Dr. Shiva" is not a medical doctor and is an outright clown.

Ayyadurai, or “Dr. Shiva” as his fans call him, is a controversial scientist and long-shot Massachusetts Senate candidate who is pushing a variety of claims that range from dubious to medically disputed to outright false. He has argued that a strict vitamin regimen can prevent and treat the coronavirus—an unsubstantiated view at odds with the medical community and existing research. And he claims Fauci is a deep-state plant hellbent on “forced and mandatory vaccines” to support “Big Pharma”—a claim for which there is no evidence.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers)

During the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic Ayyadurai used social media to spread various conspiracy theories and misinformation about the pandemic. In January 2020 he claimed that the coronavirus was patented by the Pirbright Institute, but the patent he referenced relates to avian coronavirus, which infects birds, not SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 02:06:PM
well said i wsnt sure about him ill have to do some more reasearch wikpidia cant really be trusted as a source thouh

anyone cn edit it.

dr shiva also cliams to have invented email that makes me rather dubios of him but illhave to look it up.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 02:20:PM
fauchi and the cdc are partly the reason amercans are not bein tested.

https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus-test-kits-meant-for-the-uk-found-to-be-contaminated-with-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 16, 2020, 07:56:PM
"Dr. Shiva" is not a medical doctor and is an outright clown.

Ayyadurai, or “Dr. Shiva” as his fans call him, is a controversial scientist and long-shot Massachusetts Senate candidate who is pushing a variety of claims that range from dubious to medically disputed to outright false. He has argued that a strict vitamin regimen can prevent and treat the coronavirus—an unsubstantiated view at odds with the medical community and existing research. And he claims Fauci is a deep-state plant hellbent on “forced and mandatory vaccines” to support “Big Pharma”—a claim for which there is no evidence.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers)

During the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic Ayyadurai used social media to spread various conspiracy theories and misinformation about the pandemic. In January 2020 he claimed that the coronavirus was patented by the Pirbright Institute, but the patent he referenced relates to avian coronavirus, which infects birds, not SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation)
He may nevertheless be right about many of the points he raises. We don't know enough about genetically-modified soy, I'm quite sure there will be 300 million diabetics in India in a few years along with a huge increase in Western countries due to poor diet and obesity.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 16, 2020, 09:04:PM
He may nevertheless be right about many of the points he raises. We don't know enough about genetically-modified soy, I'm quite sure there will be 300 million diabetics in India in a few years along with a huge increase in Western countries due to poor diet and obesity.

He claims to have invented E-mail 20 years after E-mail was first invented. lol

"The U.S. Government has not recognized him as the inventor of email and he did not win the Westinghouse Science Talent Search for his program. Electronic mail services were widely used in the 1960s and 1970s and were commercially available long before 1980. To substantiate his claim to be the "inventor of email" Ayyadurai would have to show that no electronic mail system was produced prior to 1980, and so he has recently created an absurdly specific and historically inaccurate definition of electronic mail designed to exclude earlier systems. Ayyadurai has not even been able to show that he was the first to contract “electronic mail” to “email” or “e-mail” – his first documented use is in 1981 whereas the Oxford English Dictionary shows a newspaper usage in 1979. Despite Ayyadurai’s energetic public relations campaign, which presents him as the victim of a racist conspiracy financed by corporate interests, he has not received support from any credible experts in email technology or the history of information technology. His claims have been widely debunked by technology bloggers and articles based on them have been retracted by the Washington Post and the Huffington Post."
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 16, 2020, 09:36:PM
He claims to have invented E-mail 20 years after E-mail was first invented. lol

"The U.S. Government has not recognized him as the inventor of email and he did not win the Westinghouse Science Talent Search for his program. Electronic mail services were widely used in the 1960s and 1970s and were commercially available long before 1980. To substantiate his claim to be the "inventor of email" Ayyadurai would have to show that no electronic mail system was produced prior to 1980, and so he has recently created an absurdly specific and historically inaccurate definition of electronic mail designed to exclude earlier systems. Ayyadurai has not even been able to show that he was the first to contract “electronic mail” to “email” or “e-mail” – his first documented use is in 1981 whereas the Oxford English Dictionary shows a newspaper usage in 1979. Despite Ayyadurai’s energetic public relations campaign, which presents him as the victim of a racist conspiracy financed by corporate interests, he has not received support from any credible experts in email technology or the history of information technology. His claims have been widely debunked by technology bloggers and articles based on them have been retracted by the Washington Post and the Huffington Post."

coud you post some links to relvant articales you are qauting then.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 09:26:AM
a bit from dr john oxford

https://novuscomms.com/2020/03/31/a-view-from-the-hvivo-open-orphan-orph-laboratory-professor-john-oxford/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 12:18:PM
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 03:38:PM

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 17, 2020, 06:55:PM
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/

That is another guy with no medical credentials spreading pseudoscientific misinformation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html)

You fall for it every time.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 07:03:PM
That is another guy with no medical credentials spreading pseudoscientific misinformation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html)

You fall for it every time.

dr gupta has outstanding medical crdintails robert f kendey jr never cliamed to have any  so your talking shit.

a per normal

your linksprove abslutly nothing there just opion pieces.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 17, 2020, 07:20:PM
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/greater-risk-literacy-can-reduce-coronavirus-fear-by-gerd-gigerenzer-2020-03
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 18, 2020, 06:13:PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8223733/Have-gone-far-fear-lockdown-harming-nations-health-writes-Dr-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 18, 2020, 08:02:PM
From that article: "And yet there has never been a better time to visit A&E for prompt treatment."

Someone I know of (indirectly) had to go into hospital for prompt treatment. They caught COVID-19 there and died.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 18, 2020, 08:07:PM
From that article: "And yet there has never been a better time to visit A&E for prompt treatment."

Someone I know of (indirectly) had to go into hospital for prompt treatment. They caught COVID-19 there and died.

what were the there fror
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Reader on April 19, 2020, 04:10:AM
For treatment of accidental injury, but I don't know how serious that was.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 01:59:PM
https://t.co/2XhoWDbB6r?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 04:59:PM
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/lancet-withdraws-chinese-nurses-letter-covid-19-coronavirus-12476096
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 08:22:PM
frm mr snowdon https://t.co/FzSBIMBUz0?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2020, 10:31:PM
http://www.pharmatimes.com/news/eu_to_probe_pharma_over_false_pandemic_982876
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 20, 2020, 01:09:PM
UK investigates whether COVID-19 started in Chinese lab researching diseases in bats

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-investigates-whether-covid-19-started-in-chinese-lab-researching-diseases-in-bats-11974420 (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-investigates-whether-covid-19-started-in-chinese-lab-researching-diseases-in-bats-11974420)

Unlikely, but wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2020, 04:17:PM
a bit abot facemasks.

https://t.co/W88PwRlD1w?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2020, 05:01:PM
https://www.who.int/about/finances-accountability/funding/A71_INF2-en.pdf

more abut world health oranastion.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 20, 2020, 11:00:PM
Men more at risk: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-hits-men-harder-evidence-risk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 21, 2020, 11:37:AM
over run hospitals what a fucking joke https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/10/empty-non-coronavirus-beds-raise-fears-that-sickest-are-avoiding-nhs/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 21, 2020, 02:02:PM
I can't believe that those who are suffering chest pains/strokes won't summon help.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 21, 2020, 02:08:PM
Men more at risk: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-hits-men-harder-evidence-risk





Undetected cancers along with other underlying problems which men are the most unlikely to seek help about  whereas a woman is more likely to ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 21, 2020, 03:37:PM
https://t.co/b3fkswdpnH?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 21, 2020, 03:46:PM
Why am I not surprised that David Icke influenced the 5G tower fires.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJIKaE3DMrY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJIKaE3DMrY)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 21, 2020, 04:24:PM
https://t.co/wqJD5B1rad?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 22, 2020, 12:43:PM
Who can blame them..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-missouri-becomes-first-state-to-sue-china-over-an-appalling-campaign-of-deceit/ar-BB130O6K?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 22, 2020, 01:44:PM
and what if china doesnt want to pay up what the hell are they going to do about it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 22, 2020, 02:14:PM
and what if china doesnt want to pay up what the hell are they going to do about it.
China should cough up.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 22, 2020, 03:48:PM
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/18/cash-strapped-hospitals-lay-off-thousands-of-health-workers-despite-covid-19-staff-shortages/

funny there laying of nurses.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 11:35:AM
https://www.professorhinkley.com/blog/why-is-oregon-still-on-lock-down
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 11:42:AM
https://t.co/6RwggWAXyZ?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 05:10:PM
from dr fauchi himself.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 23, 2020, 10:57:PM
daily deaths not as many as has been cliamed. in the press https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 12:10:AM
https://fieldcourt.co.uk/a-disproportionate-interference-with-rights-and-freedoms-the-coronavirus-regulations-and-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 01:47:PM
press confrence on the testing https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 24, 2020, 06:09:PM
daily deaths not as many as has been cliamed. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

According to that, the daily death is actually more than what is claimed.

"These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes."

hospitals providing the data are under significant operational pressure. This means that the totals reported at 5pm on each day may not include all deaths that occurred on that day or on recent prior days.

Once again you have not read the article properly.


Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 07:06:PM
According to that, the daily death is actually more than what is claimed.

"These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes."

hospitals providing the data are under significant operational pressure. This means that the totals reported at 5pm on each day may not include all deaths that occurred on that day or on recent prior days.

Once again you have not read the article properly.

your normal selective qauting agian

and the care home deaths can not be established yet as death certificates were not issued as covid.

belive it or not people are allways dying in care homes.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 24, 2020, 10:22:PM
He Traveled to Wuhan to Report on Coronavirus—and Hasn't Been Heard From Since

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUl1zs92co (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUl1zs92co)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2020, 11:04:PM
China should cough up.

the only people they can really blame are the who for miscullatin the death rate and leading to an over reaction werent millons supposed to have deid by now.

i cant see its hinas fault that the data models wrong.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 25, 2020, 10:16:AM
https://www.theherald-news.com/2020/04/21/what-counts-as-a-covid-19-death/a38v0ed/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 25, 2020, 10:32:AM
https://t.co/A6gc1IF8RT?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 26, 2020, 06:59:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMkSNj_-7Q
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 26, 2020, 10:32:PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242260406.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 27, 2020, 02:18:PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 27, 2020, 03:32:PM
old peirs corbyn.

https://youtu.be/8WzkJnoq2xMhttps://youtu.be/8WzkJnoq2xM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 02:33:AM
https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2020/04/22/commissioners-may-soon-pull-the-plug-on-harris-countys-pop-up-hospital-at-nrg-park/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 28, 2020, 10:54:AM
Over the last few days, the reported numbers of positive tests for COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly higher than expected, yet the reported numbers of deaths related to COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly lower than expected. This doesn't seem to make much sense, but may reflect an increase in testing, combined with either better treatment of those severely affected or different procedures for recording deaths.

The truth is being kept from the public at large - for example, the government are calling Covid 19 virus, 'the first wave', and warning us that we are not out of the water yet, they tell us as often as they can, that 'second wave' of the virus is coming from around October - December!

This so called second wave will coincide with the onset of a strain of flu virus, and they know it will be virtually impossible to differentiate between the symptoms of the covid 19 virus, and flu. When this happens as things stand at the moment the government will simply be able to manipulate the statistics which best suits themselves. Since, any death which occurs during the pandemic will be recorded as a Covid 19 type death...

We are being lied to, by the various government agencies of the world, we are not still going through the 'first wave' of the pandemic, we are now going through the 'second wave'..

The 'first wave' of Covid 19 instances almost certainly started to take effect from September  2019. Think back to the com trails in the uk skies, in plentiful display September / October of last year, and the alarming rate of growth of flu like symptoms amongst the population. It seems somewhat obvious to me, that with each wave of the virus, a stronger more lethal strain of it is being used. We are part of an experiment, designed to ultimately reduce the worlds population. The lockdown measures are being kept in place, to prepare those of us who may survive the early waves of this pandemic, for something far worse just around the corner - reduce world population, economic failure, a new world order. One world government, one economy, cash a thing of the past, credit for everybody, non contactless transactions ever increasing, 'PANDEMIC' - (PAN) 'Out of the frying pan, into the fire' (DEMIC) 'Demonic manifestation'..

Covid 19 virus, 'the beginning of the end of days', as we know it...
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 01:11:PM
they didthe mathswronand now they dont want to  admit it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 01:18:PM
https://t.co/fdusp3eULW?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 04:15:PM
https://t.co/Ouv91hi20U?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 05:10:PM
https://t.co/AcnSRWjKiU?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 06:11:PM
https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 28, 2020, 10:25:PM
i cant belive this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb56K4XGKQAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb56K4XGKQA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 02:23:PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 07:36:PM
this adreses thecrap about the care home deaths..

https://www.hsj.co.uk/commissioning/thousands-of-extra-deaths-outside-hospital-not-attributed-to-covid-19/7027459.article
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: grahameb on April 29, 2020, 09:13:PM
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why  is the government always telling us  the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 09:47:PM
totally breaks fars law.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468042718300101
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 09:48:PM
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why  is the government always telling us  the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?

i totaly agrea with you raham its obvios bollocks.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 10:18:PM
so that scumba cumin was involved.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/top-aide-to-u-k-s-johnson-pushed-scientists-to-back-lockdown?fbclid=IwAR11M00mPoNw77B78O6PTBRm12wiptVjSV8HHMqhoXhgVZaVaAmoAemcj9w
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 29, 2020, 10:41:PM
as for the crap about socail distancing.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/25/two-metre-social-distancing-rule-conjured-nowhere-professor-claims-12609448/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.facebook&fbclid=IwAR3_pRlujr0-G3ektb9XTw6wq9RMdBvzGkAlUVc3HAN0e1KHQR8zSJzKQJ4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 01:01:AM
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/systematic-reviews-to-discover-true-cause-of-outbreak-deaths/7027491.article

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 12:00:PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20200420040621/https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/13/government-campaign-will-urge-seriously-ill-not-to-avoid-hospitals
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 01:01:PM
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 01:12:PM
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Emergency-Powers-and-Civil-Liberties-Report-april-2020.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2020, 04:34:PM
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why  is the government always telling us  the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?

Don't believe what the government is telling us!

The strain of the next (progressively stronger and specifically more direct) infection will wipe out two- thirds of the worlds population! 

The governments of worldwide countries are engaged in a joint enterprise to cull the population in their own region!

Don't be brainwashed by what all these murdering bastards are trying to make the 'mob' believe!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 05:00:PM
this somes things up  ithink

https://youtu.be/Hspw7Y1Gc5s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on April 30, 2020, 06:24:PM
We are less than 4 years, to the proveness that aliens are real...
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 07:16:PM
i dont know about that but i found what lord sumpton had to say intresting.

https://youtu.be/wqrR11HNFp8
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 30, 2020, 08:44:PM
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 11:46:AM
Lawsuit sues China for six trillion dollars in coronavirus reparations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-tCc3S8V8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-tCc3S8V8)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 12:14:PM
over somthing thats less virlunt than flue acording the who id like to see how they get on they get on with that.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200331092221/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 12:36:PM
over somthing thats less virlunt than flue acording the who id like to see how they get on they get on with that.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200331092221/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza

From the link you posted -

"Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%."


Do you actually know how to read?  ???
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 01:00:PM
From the link you posted -

"Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%."


Do you actually know how to read?  ???


yes i read the whole thing clearly your to stupid to do that

i dont know why you keep posting  the your just making a fool of yourself

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 01:07:PM
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 01:27:PM
the also say that transmission is not airbourne


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1473309907700294

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 03:28:PM
the reinfection stuff is crap https://t.co/z6J7JqbCWz?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 05:48:PM
https://t.co/m36fGKFSlE?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 07:46:PM
the also say that transmission is not airbourne


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1473309907700294

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations


That first link is an article about a different virus and it was written thirteen years ago. COVID-19 didn't even exist when that was written.

The second link states -

"In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances"

Clearly, you cannot read.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 07:50:PM

That first link is an article about a different virus and it was written thirteen years ago. COVID-19 didn't even exist when that was written.

The second link states -

"In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances"

Clearly, you cannot read.

it says respaterly ileness and cobid is one i case you dident know your you just a bigger fool of yourself here.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 01, 2020, 09:54:PM
SPECIAL REPORT: Evidence builds coronavirus came from a Chinese lab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1-dyM-YA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1-dyM-YA4)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2020, 10:35:PM
alarming if true.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8262351/Nurse-New-York-claims-city-killing-COVID-19-patients-putting-ventilators.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 12:51:AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/coronavirus-vaccine-hunt-could-go-horribly-wrong

i hope not.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 11:24:AM
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494971-fear-itself-is-more-dangerous-than-covid-19
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 02, 2020, 02:17:PM
Western intelligence dossier claims China lied about human-to-human transmission, 'disappeared' whistle-blowers and refused to help other countries prepare a vaccine for coronavirus


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279859/Bombshell-intelligence-lays-bare-China-lied-coronavirus-outbreak.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279859/Bombshell-intelligence-lays-bare-China-lied-coronavirus-outbreak.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 04:18:PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

looks like herd imunity was the best idea after all.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 05:34:PM
https://t.co/xs0qv0HtNB?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 05:46:PM
https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_743036/lang--en/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2Kc63YuSUWVFQReMvDXinHcg32_b9FgcFNnKrfBQtpccMpvp4KFiCZb4M
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2020, 09:35:PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095096/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 03, 2020, 02:55:PM
theyve downraded the number of  deaths now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 03, 2020, 04:54:PM
theyve downraded the number of  deaths now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

The article does not say that.

I think you need to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 03, 2020, 05:37:PM
The article does not say that.

I think you need to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A)

i think you need to learn to read offical documents you fucking moron becouse anyone who reads it properly can see they have.

idont know who you think your impressing twat.


do you even know what the word provisonal means idiot.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 03, 2020, 06:00:PM
for mornic wankers like david.

https://youtu.be/eTX3xoLdDlw

60 thousand just the same as common flue kills every year in the usa..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 01:51:PM
https://t.co/dfq61qiRNy?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 02:39:PM
https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/covid-19-a-case-for-medical-detectives
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 05:53:PM
https://t.co/dfq61qiRNy?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 06:35:PM
https://youtu.be/3f0VRtY9oTs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Caroline on May 04, 2020, 07:43:PM
Not stopping, just wanted to say that I hope everyone is OK and take care!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 04, 2020, 07:49:PM
Here is another video to help nugnug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 08:09:PM
Here is another video to help nugnug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)

i dont know who you think your impressing dacid.
have you ever thought of debating like an adult.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 08:39:PM
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 08:45:PM
Not stopping, just wanted to say that I hope everyone is OK and take care!

thanks caroline good to hear from you agian.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 04, 2020, 09:11:PM
Here is another video to help nugnug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)


And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 04, 2020, 09:23:PM

And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)

go and have a lie down david your clearly not well.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 04, 2020, 09:35:PM

And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)

Once nugnug has done that, he can move onto the more advanced teletubbie videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 11:10:AM
Once nugnug has done that, he can move onto the more advanced teletubbie videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4)

can you rufute anything ive said it would appear not.

we were waaiting for you to say somtin constructive.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 11:22:AM
https://t.co/v5h56FcsM3?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 11:26:AM
so muchfor clapping the nhs https://t.co/AAwFbua0Zj?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 01:45:PM
https://www.politeia.co.uk/the-law-and-the-lockdown-by-anthony-speaight-qc/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 02:23:PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 02:40:PM
can you rufute anything ive said it would appear not.

we were waaiting for you to say somtin constructive.

Why would I need to refute anything when your own links are refuting what you are saying?   ???

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:00:PM
Why would I need to refute anything when your own links are refuting what you are saying?   ???

you dident actuly read them did you.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 03:17:PM
you dident actuly read them did you.

The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.

Its you that is not reading them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:23:PM
The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.

Its you that is not reading them.

i never said it was les deadly than flue i said more people die of common flue as far as deadlness is concerned there about the same and theres umpteen experts that agrea with that  statement.

nearly ever doctor has actully done tests agreas with that statment.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 03:27:PM
i never said it was les deadly than flue i said more people die of common flue as far as deadlness is concerned there about the same and theres umpteen experts that agrea with that  statement.

nearly ever doctor has actully done tests agreas with that statment.

That's not what your own sources say

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10220.msg479163.html#msg479163 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10220.msg479163.html#msg479163)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:30:PM
The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.

Its you that is not reading them.

my sources dont all agrea with each other on everything that is genraly normal.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 05, 2020, 03:34:PM
my sources dont all agrea with each other on everything that is genraly normal.

Nor do they agree with what you are saying.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 03:38:PM
well i might point ut there is a diffrence between deid with and deid of as any patholgist will tell yu.

i also might point ut that there is a diffrence between provisnol deaths and actully deaths as most statasticions will tell you.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 05, 2020, 07:24:PM
https://globalcooperative.wordpress.com/2020/05/03/horrific-air-pollution-is-probable-cause-of-most-claimed-virus-deaths/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2020, 10:31:AM
https://youtu.be/BrBuv6kq6Rc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: buddy on May 07, 2020, 03:32:PM
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 07, 2020, 10:02:PM
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.

Coronaviruses were first discovered in the 1930s. They evolve just like every other organism.

The lab theory is that it accidentally got out Wuhan Institute of Virology. It only takes one employee to be careless with protocol. No one is suggesting its deliberate.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 07, 2020, 10:07:PM
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.

i dont think it was man made but your right about the meat mrkets buddy  i mean how long have they been eatin bats.

theve been been ding live meat markets fr hundreds f years. what i would like to know is how come nobdy seems to  by dien of any other viruses beouse every year people die of flue but they dont seem to be this year.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2020, 11:29:AM
https://t.co/XCEPsBiLUn?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 08, 2020, 11:37:AM
When will all this end? People can't live without an income. Do face masks offer any protection? Should 60+ year-olds be compelled to stay at home or is it their choice to risk life?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2020, 05:59:PM
anyone seen this. https://youtu.be/kQrtd-WCjos
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 08, 2020, 09:58:PM
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-temperature-screening-masks-18215339
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 08, 2020, 10:14:PM
anyone seen this. https://youtu.be/kQrtd-WCjos
I don't doubt the figure of 500,000 deaths without the lockdown. You only have to look at the spike in cases in Gloucestershire following the decision to allow the Cheltenham Festival to proceed. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11453203/cheltenham-festival-disaster-coronavirus-dr-hilary/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2020, 11:39:PM
well ive got a fair few doubts as countrys that dident lock down have rouhly the same death rate as countrys that did.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 01:30:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdv6FLHfJ5w
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 08:59:PM
from belrus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_UAkHQFcgA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 09, 2020, 10:20:PM
well ive got a fair few doubts as countrys that dident lock down have rouhly the same death rate as countrys that did.
I'm not sure that's true, and anyway there are multiple factors at play such as how the figures are collated, demographics, healthcare, ethnicity, poverty rates, population density, travel and tourism rates. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11576513/norway-lift-coronavirus-lockdown-sweden/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 10:59:PM
well belrus dident do anything not even cancel the football and there death rate is low o course they could be missccountin but then so could any country including us.

itally more less admits theydid..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 09, 2020, 11:33:PM
from cnn https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1256579248342564865
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on May 10, 2020, 05:18:AM
Phase one of delivery of the first Covid-19 pandemic was by way of 'COM TRAILS' last seen making unusual patterns in the UK skies (it was happening in other nations on the earth. To be specific, the first Wave of this pandemic coincided with this delivery system (a tester strain). October, November and December of last year saw a remarkable rise in flu like symptoms!  In this first wave some public and international victims may have died from being poisoned  by this experimental  project as a result of it's delivery to the worlds population

It should be borne in mind, that those responsible for releasing this first strain of the virus, already had a vaccine to counter negative symptom  features before it became a functional operation!

In the second wave of Covid-19 cases, the strain has been upgraded and at the time of this implementation, it was possible, for decision makers to target  'vulnerable', 'ethnic minority groups', and 'elderly people' at or above , all of whom are known to be reliant on financial support of pension payments, ESA, PIPS, and the  'Universal Credit' systems!

This second (phase) wave spread of the virus (is in my view, in anyone trying to belittle me, or for anyone of sound mind, to adopt the following approach, to any suggestion, complaint, authority and the way justice is distributed in society that I am supposedly delusional, and a Conspiracy theorist)!

The Government of our countries, already must know or realize what is coming with regards to all the recent deaths in each Region, Country, and world population!

Trust me...

Those in power, and authority, have never been at risk of developing symptoms, or even death, because before this second much stronger strain of this reprogrammed virus, they already had a vaccine to this second wave of the virus pandemic!

The spread of the second wave of the Covid-19 virus was delivered by a reliance upon international travel, tourism, and economic, or circumstance connected with, the or to regard to aeroplanes and ship travel from all countries, and in particular from and to different capital cities around the World!

The next wave of this virus will have a different delivery system in place!


Deaths of all those remaining or to have survived these first two waves of the virus will come about through a new delivery system almost certainly involving the key factor in lockdown consequences! This means that the most vulnerable amongst us, who have to self isolate for a longer period than other members of the public, as set out in the current pandemic emergence!

There is a very worrying concern, that those behind the introduction into this particular virus pandemic, are  systematically going about the business of apportioning blame on one party or another...

(To be continued)!





Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 10, 2020, 10:48:AM
a bit from cnn https://www.facebook.com/cnn/posts/10160799274796509
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 10, 2020, 10:51:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrL9QKGQrWk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 11, 2020, 12:30:AM
the plot thickens https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/22/palantir-coronavirus-contract-did-not-go-to-competitive-tender/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 12, 2020, 06:18:PM
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 12, 2020, 06:48:PM
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/05/social_distancing_is_snake_oil_not_science.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2020, 01:18:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrL9QKGQrWk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2020, 08:13:PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8311401/Denmark-unlikely-hit-second-wave-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on May 13, 2020, 09:39:PM


The next wave of this virus will have a different delivery system in place!


Deaths of all those remaining or to have survived these first two waves of the virus will come about through a new delivery system almost certainly involving the key factor in lockdown consequences! This means that the most vulnerable amongst us, who have to self isolate for a longer period than other members of the public, as set out in the current pandemic emergence!

There is a very worrying concern, that those behind the introduction into this particular virus pandemic, are  systematically going about the business of apportioning blame on one party or another...

(To be continued)!

Now, that they move into a restricted lock down phase wave 3 of the Covid - 19, certain valuable members of the economy are invited to return to work.

We should get ready for the next method of delivery of an even stronger strain of the virus, but designed to target the disabled, and or unwell amongst us..

This 3rd method type of attack is almost certainly going to be via the water supply system, which is or any fluids, or such as milk, water and other popular refreshment drinks!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 13, 2020, 11:28:PM
mike all viruses taret the disabled and unwell thats what a virus  does.

all viruses mutate as well the flue does it every year.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 14, 2020, 10:58:PM
from the bmj

https://t.co/49zZxXaML2?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 15, 2020, 12:34:PM
https://t.co/wFpqnETGny?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 15, 2020, 05:25:PM
confirms harmeless to the vast majority.

https://youtu.be/adj8MCsZKlg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 19, 2020, 08:23:PM
lookdown tv.

https://youtu.be/uk2YZfnsOPg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2020, 05:28:PM
secound wave unlickly.

https://t.co/zgnDdTDszD?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: mike tesko on May 20, 2020, 07:47:PM
mike all viruses taret the disabled and unwell thats what a virus  does.

all viruses mutate as well the flue does it every year.

Wait, before you speak!

The next wave will have devastating consequences , and the government of the day will point responsibility to public pressure forcing decisions to be made disadvantaged or to the general public good!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 20, 2020, 09:42:PM
see above.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 21, 2020, 03:21:PM
https://youtu.be/DKh6kJ-RSMI
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 21, 2020, 04:03:PM
https://t.co/lGVEa7nY3x?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 22, 2020, 12:13:AM
https://www.bihealth.org/en/research/research-groups/christian-drosten/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 22, 2020, 02:53:PM
"It will be harder to get rid of Covid than smallpox. With smallpox it was at least clear who was infected, whereas people with coronavirus can spread it without knowing. A thornier problem is that as long as the infection rages in one country, all other nations are at risk." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/why-we-might-not-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB14shaz?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2020, 10:04:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNFy2739j7g&t=96s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2020, 10:10:AM
https://youtu.be/uNFy2739j7g
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 23, 2020, 01:56:PM
https://t.co/CYOhVkKpmM?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2020, 08:27:PM
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2020, 02:05:PM
https://t.co/7AJTzh6B4T?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 26, 2020, 01:01:PM
https://t.co/fdusp3eULW?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2020, 01:43:PM
https://t.co/Fq4M13vvaT?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 10:03:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/28/lack-evidence-lockdowns-actually-worked-world-scandal/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 10:10:AM
https://t.co/c1kCSyMaYZ?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 10:26:AM
https://t.co/c1kCSyMaYZ?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 11:30:AM
https://t.co/FsZLZa0qFu?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 11:39:AM
https://youtu.be/bl-sZdfLcEk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 09:40:PM
https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/05/01/manufacturing-consensus-the-registering-of-covid-19-deaths-in-the-uk/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2020, 09:44:PM
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 30, 2020, 12:56:PM
https://www.gov.uk/search/transparency-and-freedom-of-information-releases?organisations%5B%5D=scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies&parent=scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 30, 2020, 07:18:PM
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/track-and-trace-and-the-difference-between-covid-19-and-from-with-coronavirus/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 31, 2020, 08:53:AM
Are you a silent spreader..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52840763
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 31, 2020, 11:50:AM
i doubt it.  https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 31, 2020, 08:39:PM
https://t.co/0AL4O56ZEe?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on May 31, 2020, 11:10:PM
All the things you can do from June 1: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-you-can-cant-monday-18339342
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 01, 2020, 08:48:PM
https://www.thelocal.dk/20200528/expert-committee-to-probe-denmarks-handling-of-pandemic
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 02, 2020, 12:11:PM
https://t.co/JlBN33219F?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 04, 2020, 12:47:PM
https://t.co/zQpyW5rrZs?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 04, 2020, 07:36:PM
https://t.co/JPqMI5nsAf?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 04, 2020, 07:55:PM
https://youtu.be/dUOFeVIrOPg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 05, 2020, 12:06:PM
https://t.co/vcqmZBHTts?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 05, 2020, 03:28:PM
https://t.co/aN7kprYTbA?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 06, 2020, 07:05:PM
how does this happen in the middel of a  riot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-city-reports-first-day-with-no-confirmed-coronavirus-deaths-since-march-11/ar-BB155H6Q?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 09, 2020, 12:49:PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396079/Hundreds-NHS-Test-Trace-staff-let-left-do.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 09, 2020, 01:38:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvcynznb74U
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 10, 2020, 01:01:PM
somewhat lost credibility a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d643MbRAQM&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0MmtMW7cIQ6JJFX1_UDBfFLhgDwsIYdgboHyp7mPR9A7U8SEm5uNIIGX4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 10, 2020, 05:35:PM
https://youtu.be/HRKphmgfr6A
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 10, 2020, 07:21:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ewxCPtw7w
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 10, 2020, 09:39:PM
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 11, 2020, 02:07:PM
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341832637_All-cause_mortality_during_COVID-19_No_plague_and_a_likely_signature_of_mass_homicide_by_government_response
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2020, 11:44:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/02/prof-lockdown-neil-ferguson-admits-sweden-used-science-uk-has/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 12, 2020, 06:34:PM
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.02090.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 14, 2020, 10:19:AM
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 22, 2020, 11:28:AM
from the conspricy theorists at sky news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7edweVmOHs&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3au9LiqzUdaojZidBj1kawjayJh_8oQB4IYsrh09k8boKVaWB9k2rtL2I
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 26, 2020, 04:58:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDsBwWZf8DQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1hZ-qKepmrjllfpjb9Wt3bnOC7NzqFjTQ4syHvq6cPeEJtG3R9NVijRNc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 02, 2020, 01:47:PM
https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 03, 2020, 05:14:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on July 03, 2020, 07:54:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/

Off-guardian is fake news  ;D

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 05, 2020, 08:40:PM
Off-guardian is fake news  ;D

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/)

is your name donald trump
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 06, 2020, 06:29:PM
https://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2020/07/coronavirus-pandemic-unlikely-to-have.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 10, 2020, 03:06:PM
https://in-this-together.com/lockdown-regime-deaths-lokin-20/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on July 10, 2020, 08:45:PM
https://in-this-together.com/lockdown-regime-deaths-lokin-20/

Another blog run by a loon

https://in-this-together.com/911-conspiracy-theory-explained/ (https://in-this-together.com/911-conspiracy-theory-explained/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on July 11, 2020, 06:36:PM
"The World Health Organization covering up for China.."  https://youtu.be/NUbrE1v4kuQ
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 17, 2020, 01:04:PM
https://youtu.be/CwQpg62Kflg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on July 27, 2020, 05:38:PM
This whole thing is ridiculous.

We all have to die.  Death is part of life.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on August 12, 2020, 02:33:PM
A Russian company has a vaccine now in production.

https://sputnikvaccine.com/about-vaccine/ (https://sputnikvaccine.com/about-vaccine/)

"ready to supply our vaccine to international markets"
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on September 16, 2020, 11:22:PM
Is this true..https://youtu.be/qFlqXPl_hZQ

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52496098
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on September 28, 2020, 10:56:PM
Does lockdown work..https://youtu.be/9fTXxb7P4sk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 02, 2020, 04:45:PM
intresting peice from the lancet https://t.co/vc9Opv2HFS?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 03, 2020, 03:11:PM
Trump now has the virus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54402127 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54402127)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 29, 2020, 02:10:PM
More restrictions on the Continent: https://youtu.be/4tYWMLaXiQs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 22, 2020, 02:29:PM
danisk mask study. https://t.co/WSv40QxiS5?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 22, 2020, 02:44:PM
https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 22, 2020, 02:50:PM
rulling from a portugese court.https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/jx61dx/portuguese_court_rules_pcr_tests_as_unreliable/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 22, 2020, 04:20:PM
danisk mask study. https://t.co/WSv40QxiS5?amp=1

More fake news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2020/11/18/lead-researcher-behind-controversial-danish-study-says-you-should-still-wear-a-mask/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2020/11/18/lead-researcher-behind-controversial-danish-study-says-you-should-still-wear-a-mask/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 29, 2020, 03:16:PM
This whole thing is ridiculous.

We all have to die.  Death is part of life.

i dont a single person who belive this crap anymore who are they trying to fool/

if it was deadly as they say we would all be dead.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on November 29, 2020, 03:20:PM
i dont a single person who belive this crap anymore who are they trying to fool/
It will seem a long time until Easter.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 29, 2020, 05:10:PM
Natural selection at work.

https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies (https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 29, 2020, 06:10:PM
Natural selection at work.

https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies (https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies)


the fact he had to be injected with it shows its not a deadly or contagious diesaese how come he couldest catch it naturally.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 30, 2020, 01:13:PM

the fact he had to be injected with it shows its not a deadly or contagious diesaese how come he couldest catch it naturally.

He wasn’t injected with it, he only said he wanted to be injected with it. He caught it naturally like everyone else. Read properly.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=izqfrq_vpv4 (https://youtube.com/watch?v=izqfrq_vpv4)



Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 21, 2020, 05:56:PM
this site here has plenty of sources and debunks most of hanncocks bullshit.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/author/jonathan-barr/

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 21, 2020, 07:27:PM
this site here has plenty of sources and debunks most of hanncocks bullshit.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/author/jonathan-barr/

Can you quite believe what has been unfolding in front of us?  Tens of millions of people have readily submitted to needless intimate restrictions on their ordinary liberties without any proper basis at all.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on December 22, 2020, 07:01:PM
Hopefully by early summer  all this will be over when all the vaccines have been rolled out.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 22, 2020, 07:57:PM
Hopefully by early summer  all this will be over when all the vaccines have been rolled out.

I will not be having it and I have never worn a mask and never will.  Others can do as they please.  Some of us see through it all.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on December 24, 2020, 10:15:AM
I will not be having it and I have never worn a mask and never will.  Others can do as they please.  Some of us see through it all.

Maybe the aliens are behind it. We should tell them we already know about Tommy Mair and they can shove their vaccine were Alpha Centuri doesn't shine.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 24, 2020, 03:14:PM
Maybe the aliens are behind it. We should tell them we already know about Tommy Mair and they can shove their vaccine were Alpha Centuri doesn't shine.

The two things don't bear comparison, though.  The evidence against Thomas Mair is overwhelming.  Likewise, the evidence that Covid-19 is harmless in almost-all cases is overwhelming: the government's own official statistics confirm this.  Thus, it is reasonable to oppose all of these measures.  As for the motivations behind the official hysteria, I don't need to go into 'conspiracy theories' about it: I can just point to the simple fact that governments commonly behave like this and exaggerate fears and threats.  There's a long history of it.

I will not be taking any vaccine or wearing any mask or submitting to any other measures.  Others may do as they please.  If the authorities try it on with me, they will answer for it in the courts as I will not meekly submit and comply.  It's not in my DNA.  I come from a long-line of criminals, rebels and troublemakers.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on December 24, 2020, 05:20:PM
I will not be having it and I have never worn a mask and never will.  Others can do as they please.  Some of us see through it all.

Like these morons "saw through" it?   

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53892856 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53892856)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12954262/influencer-covid-dies-virus-turkey/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12954262/influencer-covid-dies-virus-turkey/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 25, 2020, 02:59:AM
Like these morons "saw through" it?   

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53892856 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53892856)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12954262/influencer-covid-dies-virus-turkey/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12954262/influencer-covid-dies-virus-turkey/)

Can you explain to me why we should lockdown entire societies, mandate the wearing of face-coverings, and put thousands of businesses to the wall, for something that has a roughly 98.5%/99% survival rate, according to the government's own statistics, and that for the overwhelming majority of infected is either asymptomatic or comes with mild or moderate symptoms?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 29, 2020, 07:20:PM
Can you explain to me why we should lockdown entire societies, mandate the wearing of face-coverings, and put thousands of businesses to the wall, for something that has a roughly 98.5%/99% survival rate, according to the government's own statistics, and that for the overwhelming majority of infected is either asymptomatic or comes with mild or moderate symptoms?

No response from David.  It wasn't a rhetorical question, so I hope David can blow [or sneeze?] us all away with an argument.   A.. aaaa- atishoo???

While we wait, here's a bit of photographic nostalgia.  Matt Hancock as Mister Dumb in Reservoir Dogs:
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 30, 2020, 09:21:PM
Can you explain to me why we should lockdown entire societies, mandate the wearing of face-coverings, and put thousands of businesses to the wall, for something that has a roughly 98.5%/99% survival rate, according to the government's own statistics, and that for the overwhelming majority of infected is either asymptomatic or comes with mild or moderate symptoms?
I suppose the politicians are frightened of the headlines should anyone be turned away from a NHS hospital due to undercapacity. We've already had the scandal of the care homes deaths, which no doubt will be the subject of an enquiry once this pandemic has passed. https://www.healtheuropa.eu/covid-19-care-home-deaths-in-uk-hugely-underestimated/103989/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 30, 2020, 11:55:PM
I suppose the politicians are frightened of the headlines should anyone be turned away from a NHS hospital due to undercapacity. We've already had the scandal of the care homes deaths, which no doubt will be the subject of an enquiry once this pandemic has passed. https://www.healtheuropa.eu/covid-19-care-home-deaths-in-uk-hugely-underestimated/103989/

Yes, but that is not a reason for this significant infringement of your and my civil liberties, and we must remember what the government themselves say: that a large majority of infected people are believed to be asymptomatic carriers or suffer only mild symptoms.  Those suffering harsher symptoms are statistically tiny in number and mostly have co-morbidities or are elderly or both, meaning they would have had medical problems anyway. In a scenario without any public health restrictions, hospitalisations would not have put a strain on the NHS greater than that suffered in any other year.  Thus, we are still left with the question of why all these restrictions are being imposed.  If what you say has any basis - that politicians were just scared of newspaper and media headlines - then they are weak and stupid, but I am not sure it is just that because the scale and intensity of these restrictions goes far beyond what could be considered precautionary.

That's before we go into the whole medical premise.  If we accept the starting point that there is a virus, then by shielding people from an ordinary illness the authorities are doing no good because isolation, quarantining and distancing undermines the effectiveness of the natural immune system, as does inoculation.  This isn't HIV or cancer, or even chicken pox. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 31, 2020, 12:46:AM
Yes, but that is not a reason for this significant infringement of your and my civil liberties, and we must remember what the government themselves say: that a large majority of infected people are believed to be asymptomatic carriers or suffer only mild symptoms.  Those suffering harsher symptoms are statistically tiny in number and mostly have co-morbidities or are elderly or both, meaning they would have had medical problems anyway. In a scenario without any public health restrictions, hospitalisations would not have put a strain on the NHS greater than that suffered in any other year.  Thus, we are still left with the question of why all these restrictions are being imposed.  If what you say has any basis - that politicians were just scared of newspaper and media headlines - then they are weak and stupid, but I am not sure it is just that because the scale and intensity of these restrictions goes far beyond what could be considered precautionary.

That's before we go into the whole medical premise.  If we accept the starting point that there is a virus, then by shielding people from an ordinary illness the authorities are doing no good because isolation, quarantining and distancing undermines the effectiveness of the natural immune system, as does inoculation.  This isn't HIV or cancer, or even chicken pox.
Well people sheltered in care homes weren't doing any harm, yet seem to have borne the brunt. Does it follow from this that the caregivers were slipshod in their personal hygiene habits and have unwittingly transmitted the virus to the most vulnerable section of society? My area has just entered Tier 4 and thank God it has, or hundreds of lager louts would be thronging the streets, the virus roaming rampant and increasing the pressure on the NHS, which might well have to cope with an influenza epidemic this winter alongside.

Don't I have the right to go about my business uninfected, just as you may have the right not to wear a face mask if you so choose?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 31, 2020, 12:59:AM
Well people sheltered in care homes weren't doing any harm, yet seem to have borne the brunt. Does it follow from this that the caregivers were slipshod in their personal hygiene habits and have unwittingly transmitted the virus to the most vulnerable section of society? My area has just entered Tier 4 and thank God it has, or hundreds of lager louts would be thronging the streets, the virus roaming rampant and increasing the pressure on the NHS, which might well have to cope with an influenza epidemic this winter alongside.

Don't I have the right to go about my business uninfected, just as you may have the right not to wear a face mask if you so choose?

No, you don't.  A government, being a manmade authority, cannot shield you from submicroscopic infectious agents and bacteria that occur in Nature.  Any effort to publicly mitigate your expose that involves infringing on my ordinary civil liberties - to perambulate around, not to have to wear face coverings unnecessarily, etc. - demands the most extraordinary justification.  The lethality of SARS-COV 2 is a fraction of a percent, and fatalities almost-always occur only in those with co-morbidities or who are elderly, and even then this virus is often only a secondary factor in the fatality.  I rest here on the government's own statistics.  I don't need to indulge in conspiracy theories, the government's own figures make my case for me.

There is simply no justification for your demands that businesses should close, we should restrict our basic freedoms and wear face coverings, and submit to an untested vaccine - if that is what you are demanding.  The various impositions and infringements grossly outweigh the risk and are the result of mass hysteria rather than any real biological or public health hazard.

I must ask: do either you or David actually have an argument or are you just resting here on what people in authority tell you?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 31, 2020, 01:18:AM
The argument is that without face coverings the weakest go to the wall first.

By the way, I hope after this pandemic has passed the cleaning stations will remain in place and as a user of public transport people will show more restraint in their sanitary habits whilst riding thereon.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 31, 2020, 03:28:AM
The argument is that without face coverings the weakest go to the wall first.

By the way, I hope after this pandemic has passed the cleaning stations will remain in place and as a user of public transport people will show more restraint in their sanitary habits whilst riding thereon.

Your "argument" falls on the government's own statistics.

'The weakest go to the wall first' is simply Nature and it is a good thing in the narrow field of disease.  Trying to shield people from infection harms the natural efficacy of the immune system we all have and is ultimately dysgenic.

You haven't addressed my point: that in order to combat Nature in the way you propose and make society sterile and safe, people can no longer lead normal lives.  We shall have to walk round wearing masks and respirators instead, or wrap ourselves up in cotton wool and hide in our houses, or else construct cities within giant hermetic domes for people like you who wish to be '100% safe' all the time.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 31, 2020, 04:15:PM
I should be able to walk around without someone coughing in my face and thereby giving me the virus.

By the way I've just read this: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/12/31/northern-ireland-hospitals-at-capacity-as-ambulance-service-warn/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 31, 2020, 06:41:PM
I should be able to walk around without someone coughing in my face and thereby giving me the virus.

By the way I've just read this: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/12/31/northern-ireland-hospitals-at-capacity-as-ambulance-service-warn/

Of course nobody should cough in your face, but that's not the point at issue, is it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on December 31, 2020, 07:12:PM
"UK Covid cases break another new record with 55,892 in 24 hours and 964 deaths
Almost 1,000 more people have died since yesterday"

I don't get it, how difficult can it be to stay indoors, wear a mask and wash your hands?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 31, 2020, 07:14:PM
Of course nobody should cough in your face, but that's not the point at issue, is it.
Well nobody is going to throw you in a prison cell or forcibly cover you with a face mask, though you may have to pay a fine. I feel rather sorry for the tram and bus drivers, who should not have to enforce the rule.  I don't want the vaccine as I'm already allergic to penicillin, as I have found out to my cost in the past. I don't think anyone is forcing me to have it, are they?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 31, 2020, 07:15:PM
"UK Covid cases break another new record with 55,892 in 24 hours and 964 deaths
Almost 1,000 more people have died since yesterday"

I don't get it, how difficult can it be to stay indoors, wear a mask and wash your hands?
This is what I think too David1819. It's the irresponsibility of people which has caused this virus to spread.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 01:32:PM
This is what I think too David1819. It's the irresponsibility of people which has caused this virus to spread.

But Steve, the virus isn't lethal in the first place.  Obviously people should exercise responsibility.  If you're ill, don't go into work, etc., but why should the precautions, duties and obligations exceed what is ordinarily expected year-in, year-out for annual flus and colds?

Neither of you have put forward an argument as to why this illness alone requires extraordinary measures, including shutting down practically the entire economy, forcing thousands of business people into closure and bankruptcy and making people wear masks.  Why haven't we done this in years past?  And how have we survived before now?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on January 01, 2021, 01:37:PM
A Happy New Year to All x.

I've dared to visit a supermarket 3 times since March last year, but I'm not a bit confident as I never leave the house and on entering supermarkets and seeing " people " just fills me with horror.
So far I've remained well throughout the year, although this time last year I thought I was ready for my wooden overcoat, I was so ill. I don't wish for a repeat.

As Steve pointed out, I hope the cleanliness of public transport continues as there are some filthy individuals around. I haven't been on a bus for over a year now and it'll take me a long time to use them.
Luckily my daughter takes me to wherever I want/ need to go, even then I wear two masks at a time. 

At the moment I'm " thinking " about having the vaccination. The surgery rang me completely out of the blue at the beginning of December which didn't give me time to think so I told them I'd ring back when I'm ready and have had time to think about it. Nobody could tell me at the time whether there'd be any interactions with the warfarin you see. However, the blood levels/ warfarin will be tested at the end of this month to see if all's well to go ahead with the vaccine, preferably the Astra one.

Take care everyone and stay safe, ready to do battle for another year. x
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 01:43:PM
"UK Covid cases break another new record with 55,892 in 24 hours and 964 deaths
Almost 1,000 more people have died since yesterday"

I don't get it, how difficult can it be to stay indoors, wear a mask and wash your hands?

The figures don't help your case.  When you drill down into them, it becomes clear this is a moderate pandemic and the extent and scope of the measures taken is completely unnecessary and overly-intrusive.

Testing - The more people are tested, the more cases.

Deaths - The government's own figures show that the mortality rate from Covid is only a fraction of one percent, and most of those cases are elderly people and/or people with co-morbidities.

I am not disputing that there is a virus and an illness.  For the purpose of this thread, I will adopt that assumption, so we won't be straying too far from mainstream opinion.  I also accept that the illness caused by the virus will be unpleasant for some people, and sadly, a small minority will die.  But unless you are proposing to abolish illness, none of that is the point. 

You have yet to demonstrate to us why a very ordinary, mild illness should command these extraordinary measures that shred civil liberties.  Why can't we just rely on mass immunity, with special measures for vulnerable sub-sets of the population and perhaps border controls?  Can you provide the argument please?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 01:48:PM
This is what I think too David1819. It's the irresponsibility of people which has caused this virus to spread.

How did we survive up until 2020?  We've had viral pandemics before.  In fact, we get them every year with flu.  In 1957, a far more serious pandemic than this one was permitted to run its course.  Why didn't we lockdown our entire society for foot-and-mouth disease?  What about HIV and AIDS?  Cancer?  Cancer is, arguably, indirectly contagious through other infectious diseases.

We could drum up hysteria about anything.  How have we survived as a species until now? 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 02:12:PM
Well nobody is going to throw you in a prison cell or forcibly cover you with a face mask, though you may have to pay a fine. I feel rather sorry for the tram and bus drivers, who should not have to enforce the rule.  I don't want the vaccine as I'm already allergic to penicillin, as I have found out to my cost in the past. I don't think anyone is forcing me to have it, are they?

That sentence is a contradiction.  If I can be fined for not wearing a face-covering, that means I am compelled to wear a face-covering.  I shall not be wearing a face-covering anyway, and I will refuse all fines and stand defiant in the face of this obvious tyranny.  Nevertheless, this is formal compulsion and those who support it or give moral support to it should hang their heads in shame.

It means you are infringing on my basic civil liberty and dignity as an individual for no reason other than the off-chance that you might catch a flu for which there is a maximum fatality rate of 0.5% in the general population.  On its face, that's absurd and childish.  It's like banning cars and blocking off all roads on the off-chance that somebody might get run over. 

When I cross a busy road, there is fair chance I shall get run over, if you consider the general statistics on road accidents and their causes.  That does not prompt me to demand the closure of all roads and the banning of cars.  Nor does it cause me to demand that all drivers shall be required to slow down on seeing a pedestrian walking along the pavement.  Nor do I demand that motorway drivers at night should carry night-vision grade binoculars on their person and stop every 10 yards to look for prospective pedestrians in the surrounding countryside.

My point is that there is a limit to safety.  Everybody, including me, accepts that reasonable measures and precautions are desirable, but at the same time, we have to accept that efforts to bring about complete safety can also be undesirable where they equate to tyranny and deprive each of us of moral agency.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 01, 2021, 02:19:PM



Deaths - The government's own figures show that the mortality rate from Covid is only a fraction of one percent, and most of those cases are elderly people and/or people with co-morbidities.



Considering that 30% of the adult population is obese, 5% have diabetes and 1 in 2 people will have cancer at one point in our lives. A large portion of the population already have health problems. Your argument is based on a false notion that most the nation is healthly. That could not be further from the truth.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 01, 2021, 02:20:PM
Stay safe lookout. In answer to the above points I would only say that elderly people whether in care homes or living independently minding their own business have a right to stay safe and not to acquire a mortal illness through the irresponsible actions of younger people.

Has Sweden's approach worked or failed?  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55347021
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 02:30:PM
Considering that 30% of the adult population is obese, 5% have diabetes and 1 in 2 people will have cancer at one point in our lives. A large portion of the population already have health problems. Your argument is based on a false notion that most the nation is healthly. That could not be further from the truth.

My point, which you simply don't seem to understand, is that most people with moderate or serious symptoms, or who die from it or with it, are elderly and/or have co-morbidities.  It does not follow from this that everybody with co-morbidities or who is elderly is at risk from developing a more serious manifestation of the illness, or will develop a serious form of this illness, even if infected.  One would need to study the risk and understand the fine-grained variables and take account of what the statistics say, which is that the overwhelmingly majority of those infected with this don't suffer (though I accept that in the particular case of the elderly, you would have to adjust any statistical study for variables such as high viral loads in living areas).

My argument is not based on any 'notion' other than reliance on what government statisticians record and claim, which is the infection rate is Z%, the mortality rate is X%, the morbidity rate is Y%, etc., etc.

That's apart from the point that each of us is responsible for our own health.  If you or I have issues that make us particularly vulnerable to SARS-COV 2, do we have the right to demand or expect that the rest of society should lock itself down to ensure we don't become infected?  How does a government even attempt to prevent viral infection without authoritarian measures that cause vastly greater harm than the benefit hypothesised?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 02:32:PM
Stay safe lookout. In answer to the above points I would only say that elderly people whether in care homes or living independently minding their own business have a right to stay safe and not to acquire a mortal illness through the irresponsible actions of younger people.

I agree!  But it doesn't justify locking down the rest of society, does it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 01, 2021, 03:07:PM
My point, which you simply don't seem to understand, is that most people with moderate or serious symptoms, or who die from it or with it, are elderly and/or have co-morbidities.  It does not follow from this that everybody with co-morbidities or who is elderly is at risk from developing a more serious manifestation of the illness, or will develop a serious form of this illness, even if infected.  One would need to study the risk and understand the fine-grained variables and take account of what the statistics say, which is that the overwhelmingly majority of those infected with this don't suffer (though I accept that in the particular case of the elderly, you would have to adjust any statistical study for variables such as high viral loads in living areas).

My argument is not based on any 'notion' other than reliance on what government statisticians record and claim, which is the infection rate is Z%, the mortality rate is X%, the morbidity rate is Y%, etc., etc.

That's apart from the point that each of us is responsible for our own health.  If you or I have issues that make us particularly vulnerable to SARS-COV 2, do we have the right to demand or expect that the rest of society should lock itself down to ensure we don't become infected?  How does a government even attempt to prevent viral infection without authoritarian measures that cause vastly greater harm than the benefit hypothesised?

Most people are not healthy and have co-morbidities. That's the point.

Furthermore, you need to take into account how many people have survived COVID thanks to medical intervention in hospital. With no lockdown measures, hospitals would become overwhelmed and unable to treat people and then the fatality rate would drastically increase.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 01, 2021, 03:12:PM
plastic facemasks are killing the planet funny you never greta or any of these so called greens mention it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 01, 2021, 03:16:PM
Most people are not healthy and have co-morbidities. That's the point.

Furthermore, you need to take into account how many people have survived COVID thanks to medical intervention in hospital. With no lockdown measures, hospitals would become overwhelmed and unable to treat people and then the fatality rate would drastically increase.

funny im not dead then isnt it. im unhealthy as fuck unmasked have stood right next to me and you no what i havent cought anything  i mean shouldent i be dead by now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 01, 2021, 03:21:PM
funny im not dead then isnt it. im unhealthy as fuck unmasked have stood right next to me and you no what i havent cought anything  i mean shouldent i be dead by now.

very intelligent input from you as usual
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 01, 2021, 03:27:PM
very intelligent input from you as usual

why are all the protesters not dead how come the police never catch it.

its called logic david i know its not your strong point.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 03:32:PM
funny im not dead then isnt it. im unhealthy as fuck unmasked have stood right next to me and you no what i havent cought anything  i mean shouldent i be dead by now.

You rebel!  You should be writhing on the floor in agony, begging for the clinical ministrations of Dr David.

That reminds me.  I have an image here, captured yesterday, of Dr David at work:
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 01, 2021, 03:42:PM
why are all the protesters not dead how come the police never catch it.

its called logic david i know its not your strong point.

Don't project yourself onto me nugs. Nobody said the virus has a 100% death rate.

As for the police, they all have to wear face masks on duty, so you work it out.  ::)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 01, 2021, 03:51:PM
Don't project yourself onto me nugs. Nobody said the virus has a 100% death rate.

As for the police, they all have to wear face masks on duty, so you work it out.  ::)

have you ever thought of answering the point being made why arnt the proters dead dont see any socail distancing from or from the police.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 01, 2021, 03:53:PM
have you ever thought of answering the point being made why arnt the proters dead dont see any socail distancing from or from the police.

I just have answered it. I can only explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 01, 2021, 06:56:PM
Most people are not healthy and have co-morbidities. That's the point.

No, it's not the point actually.  Having risk factors, whether obese, elderly or something else, doesn't make you a quivering wreck at death's door and at the mercy of the next infectious agent that comes along.  The figures show what they show.  Even among at-risk groups, the fatality rate is going to be very small.  It's for you to justify these extraordinary measures in the face of a mild pandemic no worse than annual flu.  As far as I can see, you can't.  It's all just hypotheticals and trusting the word of authority.

Furthermore, you need to take into account how many people have survived COVID thanks to medical intervention in hospital. With no lockdown measures, hospitals would become overwhelmed and unable to treat people and then the fatality rate would drastically increase.

This is hypothetical.  You don't know they would have been overwhelmed, and currently - despite what the media claim - most hospitals are actually underwhelmed for this time of year.  We also know that the expected additional demand for the temporary field hospitals never materialised and those hospitals have now disappeared. 

Had they let the virus run its course, which is what they originally intended to do, we would be at mass immunity now.  Instead, we have this never-ending situation in which we pretend that a virus can be stopped by a piece of plastic or cloth.  If the face-coverings are such a good idea, then why do we need lockdowns and social and physical distancing?  Can you explain?  Isn't the truth that a face-covering can only, at very best, mitigate viral transmission somewhat, and even then it is purely down to chance and luck.  We live in a chemical jungle and are surrounded by bacterial and viral particles, both malign and benign.  King Cnute's chiefs thought he could keep back the tides and he almost drowned giving them a demonstration to show them that he couldn't.   No government can stop a virus. It's a force of Nature.   

That is not to say sensible measures should not be taken.  My point is not to deny that there is a virus, rather I am questioning the measures and suggesting that they may have gone too far.  Things like civil liberties, moral agency, and personal responsibility are important and there is a danger that the measures that are now in place will assume a life of their own.  What starts as provisional often becomes permanent.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 02, 2021, 03:03:PM
I have just checked the government statistics again for my local area, which includes a sizeable town of tens of thousands.  We have had 10 deaths related to Covid-19 since March 2020 in the entire area. Given the population, that's a mortality incidence in crude percentage terms of 0.02%.  I should add that at least one of those 10 deaths has been inaccurately recorded, as the deceased individual did not die from Covid-19.  I know this because he was a close relative of mine who died of other causes, yet the hospital entered Covid-19 on his death certificate as a secondary cause of death. 

He entered the hospital without Covid-19.  We know this because a test was done that came back negative.  We are told that he then, somehow, contracted Covid-19 while in hospital, and then when he passed away, Covid-19 was added to his death certificate!

But that's just one postcode area, so I decided to broaden out my search and found the mortality figures for the entire parliamentary constituency in which I live, which covers a population of some 80,000.  The total for Covid-19 deaths adds up to 20.  That's 20 out of 80,000, which is 0.00025%.  I believe that's not too far removed from the national fatality rate for road accidents.

A crude mortality rate on this basis would be 0.0003% (i.e. 30 out of 100,000), though obviously it will be higher in other areas, I appreciate.  The reality is that this is a mild pandemic, not significantly worse than annual flu.  I do appreciate that the virulence of this may necessitate some preventative measures, but why do we need all these lockdowns and restrictions and bossy orders from above?

The interesting point is that part of the area I live in is heavily populated with the elderly and we don't even have our own hospital - people have to travel a very great distance in the event of emergencies and other hospital visits.  Those factors should surely lead to a higher mortality than average, if anything.  Most of the area is rural or semi-rural, with the largest settlement being a market town.  The socio-economic profile is varied - lots of council housing in the town itself, a sizeable amount of wealthy/millionaire class housing, and lots of private suburban housing for people in-between, including many pensioners.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 02, 2021, 04:35:PM
I also want to direct attention to this link:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020

Basically, what this shows is the mortality rates on a month-to-month basis, with a focus on November 2020.  The government statisticians claim a mortality rate of around 1,200 per 100,000, which seems fairly unremarkable to me.  Where's the lethal pandemic and the bodies piled up in the streets?

Another thing that caught my summary eye is the section on Covid-19 deaths for November:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020#deaths-due-to-covid-19-registered-in-november-2020

That section explains:

Quote
The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide.

In most cases (91.1% in England and 88.4% in Wales) where the coronavirus (COVID-19) was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.

I think that's very, very slippery indeed!  One would need to read further into it, but I find all this very suspicious.  Statistics can be constructively compiled to prove or support virtually anything.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 04, 2021, 08:40:PM
We're in lockdown again..https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/lockdown-reasons-why-leave-home-19562818
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 06, 2021, 06:53:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etekvGN4R_g
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 06, 2021, 09:43:AM
People who refuse to follow the measures being imposed are enemies of the state and the global new normal. People should be vaccinated regardless of their wishes. Those who refuse should be physically forced, ie. literally restrained, either by hired contractors or armed forces personnel. It should be a case of 'roll your sleeve up or we'll roll it up for you'.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 06, 2021, 10:10:AM
People who refuse to follow the measures being imposed are enemies of the state and the global new normal. People should be vaccinated regardless of their wishes. Those who refuse should be physically forced, ie. literally restrained, either by hired contractors or armed forces personnel. It should be a case of 'roll your sleeve up or we'll roll it up for you'.

"...it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, then to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things."

- Chaper VI, The Prince by Nicolo Machiavelli

I am looking forward to them trying to roll up my sleeve.  Whoever tries that will come away with his nose broken, at the least.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 06, 2021, 10:38:AM

I am looking forward to them trying to roll up my sleeve.  Whoever tries that will come away with his nose broken, at the least.

You will roll up your sleeve voluntarily or it will be rolled up for you. You can either choose the easy way or the hard way. You might be one of the people who needs sedating first, to gain your 'cooperation'.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 06, 2021, 11:23:AM
You will roll up your sleeve voluntarily or it will be rolled up for you. You can either choose the easy way or the hard way. You might be one of the people who needs sedating first, to gain your 'cooperation'.

The same applies to any attempt to sedate me.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 06, 2021, 12:05:PM
The same applies to any attempt to sedate me.

Sounds like some people may need a dart shot if that's the case. You won't be flailing arms when you're knocking the z's out.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 06, 2021, 04:03:PM
Sounds like some people may need a dart shot if that's the case. You won't be flailing arms when you're knocking the z's out.

They can try, but with me that won't work either.  It'll take armed police.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 06, 2021, 05:46:PM
They can try, but with me that won't work either.  It'll take armed police.

If I was in a chopper with a rifle / tranquilliser dart, you could be took down from distance. After you've come round you can thank me that you're no longer an enemy of the state.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 06, 2021, 06:11:PM
WHO team blocked from entering China to study origins of coronavirus

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/05/china/china-blocks-who-team-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/05/china/china-blocks-who-team-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 06, 2021, 06:24:PM
If I was in a chopper with a rifle / tranquilliser dart, you could be took down from distance. After you've come round you can thank me that you're no longer an enemy of the state.

Thanks Roch.  I'm starting to come round now after reading Adam's 86 Reasons Why Everybody Must Take The Vaccine.

There's a tear in my eye.  I love Big Brother.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 06, 2021, 07:19:PM
Thanks Roch.  I'm starting to come round now after reading Adam's 86 Reasons Why Everybody Must Take The Vaccine.

There's a tear in my eye.  I love Big Brother.

Tbh, I'm not sure what to make of it all. It's a queer kettle of fish. However, the virus is certainly deadly to some, from what I've witnessed so far.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 06, 2021, 07:34:PM
anyone rember this https://youtu.be/iV1IZVT_LCE?t=8
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 08, 2021, 07:13:PM
anyone rember this https://youtu.be/iV1IZVT_LCE?t=8
I would like to think the general population would change its sanitary habits permanently after this Covid pandemic, but I don't hold out much hope. The WHO seems to have been bypassed, which makes me think this virus may at least have been modified in a laboratory as some scientists suggest. Does anyone still believe it started in some live animal market?

I have bought a Taffix nasal spray online. It might be a waste of money but I don't like needles and am suspicious of both the influenza and the Covid vaccines.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 09, 2021, 11:51:AM
People who refuse to follow the measures being imposed are enemies of the state and the global new normal. People should be vaccinated regardless of their wishes. Those who refuse should be physically forced, ie. literally restrained, either by hired contractors or armed forces personnel. It should be a case of 'roll your sleeve up or we'll roll it up for you'.

well that would really depend if they wanted to stabbed or not now way am i having monkey spunk ijnected into me.

my body my chioce.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 10, 2021, 02:22:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOmfWL51q-k
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 10, 2021, 02:42:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOmfWL51q-k
I think this is far too complacent a view. https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/caroline-russell/34-bus-driver-deaths-show-need-for-better-health-0
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: buddy on January 10, 2021, 02:49:PM
well that would really depend if they wanted to stabbed or not now way am i having monkey spunk ijnected into me.

my body my chioce.
nugs you must had many injections in your life
I don’t think for a minute that the government would allow this programme to go ahead if there were
A doubt. My arms ready, fill me with monkey spunk before I die in agony
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 13, 2021, 07:39:PM
2020 was deadliest year in a century in England and Wales.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/2020-was-deadliest-year-in-a-century-in-england-and-wales-says-ons (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/2020-was-deadliest-year-in-a-century-in-england-and-wales-says-ons)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 13, 2021, 10:14:PM
the gaurdion yet agian proving they cant do basic maths

have they heard of world war 2
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 14, 2021, 12:52:AM
the gaurdion yet agian proving they cant do basic maths

have they heard of world war 2

The data comes from the office of national statistics(ONS)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 14, 2021, 01:12:AM
The data comes from the office of national statistics(ONS)

They're assuming that all the deaths recorded as attributable to, or that occurred with, Covid-19 were caused by the virus.

It's idiotic.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 14, 2021, 09:24:AM
They're assuming that all the deaths recorded as attributable to, or that occurred with, Covid-19 were caused by the virus.

It's idiotic.

What did you make of Great Barrington?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 14, 2021, 11:22:AM
the gaurdion is lying as usaul infections are falling. https://t.co/89qJneVRAN?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 14, 2021, 10:03:PM
Are there lasting effects of the virus? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/andrew-gwynne-mp-long-covid-19628390
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 15, 2021, 01:13:PM
Sky News is blocked from visiting 'source' of outbreak in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHUJQpG8ck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHUJQpG8ck)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 15, 2021, 01:26:PM
This makes me appreciate the NHS a lot more. Imagine being there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYOHWyv_E4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYOHWyv_E4)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 15, 2021, 07:24:PM
What did you make of Great Barrington?

I believe Focused Protection on a voluntary basis is the right approach.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 15, 2021, 07:56:PM
Sky News is blocked from visiting 'source' of outbreak in China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHUJQpG8ck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHUJQpG8ck)
I wonder why police are stopping the journalists' car if all they might find would be some bats in a cave?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 15, 2021, 10:17:PM
I believe Focused Protection on a voluntary basis is the right approach.

I think if lockdowns were ruthlessly policed, they wouldn't just serve as a stay of execution regarding spread but would actually start impacting re eradication. However, we probably dont have the resources to adequately police them, thanks to years of the UK being run in to the ground by spivs.

I think Sweden tried their own version of focussed protection but have now admitted it didn't work.  It's such a shame because lockdown has been terrible for so many people and businesses. Rock and hard place.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 15, 2021, 10:21:PM
The two things don't bear comparison, though.  The evidence against Thomas Mair is overwhelming.

In my opinion, the evidence against him is a pile of shit. I'm suprised they haven't bumped him off. Covid would be a perfect cover.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 16, 2021, 03:17:AM
I think if lockdowns were ruthlessly policed, they wouldn't just serve as a stay of execution regarding spread but would actually start impacting re eradication. However, we probably dont have the resources to adequately police them, thanks to years of the UK being run in to the ground by spivs.

I think Sweden tried their own version of focussed protection but have now admitted it didn't work.  It's such a shame because lockdown has been terrible for so many people and businesses. Rock and hard place.

I strongly disagree and I resent your belief that my basic civil liberties should be interfered with to this extent so that you don't contract an unpleasant illness.  This is something I will remember next time anybody on here starts with the sanctimonious blather about free speech or ill-informed critiques concerning the authoritarian regimes of other countries like North Korea. 

I accept that I am not a virologist or medical doctor and I agree that we must listen carefully to what the experts say, but experts telling me what I must and must not do is overstepping the mark in anything other than the most extraordinary circumstances.  We do not have such circumstances here.  This is not the Black Death.  The fatalities are mostly the elderly who, sad to say, would in many cases die anyway over the winter.  Others who are suffering serious symptoms or even dying include people with underlying health problems.  That's evolution and Natural Selection.  It's not very nice, but it's the way things are and we're all subject to it.  To be blunt, this may mean that I, or one of my own children, may have to suffer and die.  If that happens, I won't like it - it's terrible - but as adults we routinely have to accept things we don't like.  And we all have to die anyway.  What would you propose instead?

I think what we need to do is confine you, Steve and anybody else of like mind in one big sealed dome which will be sanitised to the very highest standards, using perhaps industrial isopropyl surfactant or something similar.  You can then live in complete safety, but as an added measure - and I am sure Steve will agree with me - there will be a nightly curfews and everyone must wear plastic face shields, surgical masks and gloves when outdoors.

Perhaps if you and Steve could indicate your agreement, we can then get the ball rolling and get you packed off to live in complete safety, away from all us dirty people who spread disease.  That will give you space to write a book about your theories on the Thomas Mair case.  I anticipate that Steve will be appointed as the new community's Chief Speller, Grammarian-General and Director of Moral Deportment, but in between these pressing duties I am sure he can act as editor for your book and correct your spelling mistakes and smooth out any syntactical lapses in your erudition.  David could be the community doctor, enthusiastically administering vaccines, which will be mandatory and must be taken weekly for all manner of diseases.  Myster would organise a Cluedo Club.  Adam could give lectures on the Bamber case and the evidence that proves Jeremy did it. 

Yes, I think this is a good idea.  You can be safe.  I can be free.  And never the twain shall meet.

As for Sweden, I don't believe that country undertook Focused Protection.  They relied on building up natural immune resistance, which I still think is the correct approach, but it should be alongside restrictive measures in areas where vulnerable people are populated, such as care homes and supported living schemes.  That is Focused Protection.  Sweden didn't do this, relying almost-entirely on voluntary measures.  I believe this meant that although some resistance will have built up in the population, it would not have been enough to completely halt the spread of whatever virus or viruses are causing this disease.  Sweden is also a Scandinavian country and from late autumn onwards it gets very cold there much earlier than at more southern latitudes, and that will explain the dramatic rise in deaths over that period.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 16, 2021, 03:09:PM
To answer my own post in #536 I suppose the government is worried that journalists may talk to locals about the origin of the virus. Were they eating bats: who knows?

To answer QCC I think it's still too early to forecast the future, but how about looking back 100 years or so.https://youtu.be/3x1aLAw_xkY.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 16, 2021, 06:00:PM
To answer my own post in #536 I suppose the government is worried that journalists may talk to locals about the origin of the virus. Were they eating bats: who knows?

To answer QCC I think it's still too early to forecast the future, but how about looking back 100 years or so.https://youtu.be/3x1aLAw_xkY.

Thanks Steve.  Don't worry - I've got you lined up for the Grammarian-General job, with a nice uniform that you'll look dashing in.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 17, 2021, 04:33:PM
https://youtu.be/GIDViYdvu0U
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 17, 2021, 06:02:PM
https://youtu.be/GIDViYdvu0U
I was thinking of making my way to the Etihad Tennis and Football Centre this week to get my jab, but I've since had a change of heart..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 17, 2021, 10:14:PM
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504818-covid19-reverse-psychology-johnson/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 18, 2021, 01:06:AM
To answer my own post in #536 I suppose the government is worried that journalists may talk to locals about the origin of the virus. Were they eating bats: who knows?

To answer QCC I think it's still too early to forecast the future, but how about looking back 100 years or so.https://youtu.be/3x1aLAw_xkY.

There is simply no comparison between the two pandemics, as you know.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 18, 2021, 05:34:AM
There is simply no comparison between the two pandemics, as you know.
It's true that influenza and Covid 19 are caused by different viruses but we cannot possibly anticipate the mortality rate should individuals succumb to both at the same time. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3720
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 18, 2021, 07:31:AM
It's true that influenza and Covid 19 are caused by different viruses but we cannot possibly anticipate the mortality rate should individuals succumb to both at the same time. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3720

50m people worldwide died of Spanish flu in a little over two years. 

So far, the death toll of Covid-19 is 2m worldwide in a year against a much larger global population and with only a statistically tiny mortality rate - and that's on the basis of extremely dubious death-recording practices.

There is simply no comparison.

Spanish flu was a fatal pandemic and one of the worst crises in the history of humanity. 

Covid-19 is a mild illness that is being hyped-up and exaggerated.  The motives for this are open to debate.

I'm afraid my message to you and pretty much 90% of the population who are joining in with you is:

Get a life!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 18, 2021, 11:22:AM
Thanks Steve.  Don't worry - I've got you lined up for the Grammarian-General job, with a nice uniform that you'll look dashing in.

Something like this?

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 18, 2021, 11:25:AM
I'm afraid my message to you and pretty much 90% of the population who are joining in with you is:

Get a life!

Our message to you is twofold.. or should I say two jabs.  But you'll only see the first one coming (the sedative).

At this rate you could end up under house arrest with Tommy Mair and his handlers, at some isolated Northumberland farmhouse.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 18, 2021, 02:07:PM
Our message to you is twofold.. or should I say two jabs.  But you'll only see the first one coming (the sedative).

At this rate you could end up under house arrest with Tommy Mair and his handlers, at some isolated Northumberland farmhouse.

Mair has been taken to the alien mothership along with the 1500 sheep.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 18, 2021, 03:56:PM
Mair has been taken to the alien mothership along with the 1500 sheep.

David, we've discussed this before - stop revealing all this secret information!  Remember when we joined the 77th. Brigade, we took a solemn oath of loyalty to the lizards and signed the Official Secrets Act.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 18, 2021, 06:26:PM
I should think the New All-Clean Sterile Absolutely Safe Bubble Community will need some rules and here are my opening suggestions:

Every resident to wear all-white clothing and have their heads shaved at all times.  Except for the Grammarian-General, who will wear the aforementioned uniform, and David1819 who will wear the trendy black uniform of the 77th. Brigade.

All residents will be referred to by their first name followed by their serial number - example: David 1819.  David is of course ahead of the game in this respect.

Spelling and grammar mistakes shall be forbidden.  Violations shall be dealt with by the Grammar-General and his enforcer, David1819.  Punishments will be severe for repeat offenders.

A Voluntary Syntactical Code, to be promoted by the Grammarian-General in the interests of wholesome communication.

Vaccines will be compulsory and shall be taken weekly for a variety of illnesses.  The Grammarian-General will be exempt from this requirement, unless he changes his mind.

Face masks to be worn at all times, even indoors.

No sex allowed.  Reproduction shall be by means of in vitro fertilisation.

The official sport will be Cluedo, overseen by Myster, who will be appointed as Cluedo Master.

The floor is open for more suggestions.

I don't think the no sex rule will need to be enforced on Mythster. lol
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 18, 2021, 06:39:PM
I don't think the no sex rule will need to be enforced on Mythster. lol

I've still got a bit of a sulk on because Myster won't let me join in at Cluedo.  Even Steve has been saying I should be given a go, but oh no, not Mister Myster, the Cluedo Maestro.

Some people!  The word snotty comes to mind.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 19, 2021, 12:06:PM
50m people worldwide died of Spanish flu in a little over two years. 

So far, the death toll of Covid-19 is 2m worldwide in a year against a much larger global population and with only a statistically tiny mortality rate - and that's on the basis of extremely dubious death-recording practices.

There is simply no comparison.

Spanish flu was a fatal pandemic and one of the worst crises in the history of humanity. 

Covid-19 is a mild illness that is being hyped-up and exaggerated.  The motives for this are open to debate.

I'm afraid my message to you and pretty much 90% of the population who are joining in with you is:

Get a life!

when you consider about 10 times that number die from caar crashs  every year but nobody would even consider baning cars it sort of puts it in perspective.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 19, 2021, 03:05:PM
when you consider about 10 times that number die from caar crashs  every year but nobody would even consider baning cars it sort of puts it in perspective.

Yes.  I made a similar point myself above in that nobody suggests that cars should move at crawling pace just to ensure that nobody gets run-over.  That's because we accept that there is this thing called personal responsibility, and safety has to be balanced with freedom.

I see that some of my posts have been deleted, no doubt due to complaints from a certain self-appointed spell-checker (who isn't even competent at spell-checking) about the ribbing I am giving him. 

My humour is very mild against the effrontery of demanding that we all lose our dignity and civil liberties on the off-chance that you might catch a mild illness, while telling us you won't be taking the vaccine. 

Is it a case of untested experimental vaccine for thee but not for me?

If you won't even be vaccinated, then your case is hollow.  We are not going to spend the rest of our lives living in fear and wearing face masks for you.

Just get a life.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 19, 2021, 05:44:PM
Yes.  I made a similar point myself above in that nobody suggests that cars should move at crawling pace just to ensure that nobody gets run-over.  That's because we accept that there is this thing called personal responsibility, and safety has to be balanced with freedom.

I see that some of my posts have been deleted, no doubt due to complaints from a certain self-appointed spell-checker (who isn't even competent at spell-checking) about the ribbing I am giving him. 

My humour is very mild against the effrontery of demanding that we all lose our dignity and civil liberties on the off-chance that you might catch a mild illness, while telling us you won't be taking the vaccine. 

Is it a case of untested experimental vaccine for thee but not for me?

If you won't even be vaccinated, then your case is hollow.  We are not going to spend the rest of our lives living in fear and wearing face masks for you.

Just get a life.
But it's not a mild illness: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/she-said-loved-us-last-19656454

I'm surprised you're quoting nugnug, whose thrust seems to go against your argument that we all have a right to live our lives unfettered by government interference. I would have thought this would include the right to refuse the vaccine if the individual so chose.

I won't comment about the orthography issue on this site except to say that for years the issue lay dormant until you joined, told a member to "buy a dictionary" and misspelled a Latin phrase shortly thereafter.

I may well take the vaccine as long as I know it's safe. There was some doubt among the Norwegian medical profession as I recall. Until it's my turn I now have my Taffix, which will reduce the risk of infection.

Please refrain from personal attacks or your posts will be removed again and a complaint made against your person.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 19, 2021, 05:54:PM
But it's not a mild illness: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/she-said-loved-us-last-19656454

I'm surprised you're quoting nugnug, whose thrust seems to go against your argument that we all have a right to live our lives unfettered by government interference. I would have thought this would include the right to refuse the vaccine if the individual so chose.

I won't comment about the orthography issue on this site except to say that for years the issue lay dormant until you joined, told a member to "buy a dictionary" and misspelled a Latin phrase shortly thereafter.

I may well take the vaccine as long as I know it's safe. There was some doubt among the Norwegian medical profession as I recall. Until it's my turn I now have my Taffix, which will reduce the risk of infection.

Please refrain from personal attacks or your posts will be removed again and a complaint made against your person.

what do you my argument has been the same all the way through i oppsed lockdown when it wasnt ok to opose it.

i allways said the danger was over stated ive got a long memory i rember the swine flue crap
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 19, 2021, 06:19:PM
what do you my argument has been the same all the way through i oppsed lockdown when it wasnt ok to opose it.

i allways said the danger was over stated ive got a long memory i rember the swine flue crap
Well if you oppose lockdown because the threat from Covid-19 is overstated I'm assuming that you also believe the individual should have the right to choose for himself or herself whether or not to take the vaccine.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 19, 2021, 06:24:PM
Well if you oppose lockdown because the threat from Covid-19 is overstated I'm assuming that you also believe the individual should have the right to choose for himself or herself whether or not to take the vaccine.

i dont rember ever saying anything else i am not touching that vacine and i will advise other people not to but of course at the end of the day its there chioce.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 19, 2021, 07:05:PM
But it's not a mild illness: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/she-said-loved-us-last-19656454

I'm surprised you're quoting nugnug, whose thrust seems to go against your argument that we all have a right to live our lives unfettered by government interference. I would have thought this would include the right to refuse the vaccine if the individual so chose.

I won't comment about the orthography issue on this site except to say that for years the issue lay dormant until you joined, told a member to "buy a dictionary" and misspelled a Latin phrase shortly thereafter.

I may well take the vaccine as long as I know it's safe. There was some doubt among the Norwegian medical profession as I recall. Until it's my turn I now have my Taffix, which will reduce the risk of infection.

Please refrain from personal attacks or your posts will be removed again and a complaint made against your person.

Your post above contains an untrue personal attack on me.  Yet you demand that I refrain from personal attacks on you.  I could stop there.  Your threats mean nothing.  If my posts are deleted, I will re-post the essential information that exposes you.

You started the personal attacks on me.  You've been attacking me from my very first day on this Forum.  You claim that you once apologised.  You have never done so.  Yet I have on at least two occasions, even though there was no need to.  When I stand up for myself, you accuse me of over-sensitivity or you claim that your attacks are 'criticism' and that you are just exercising free speech.

You are a very dishonest person.  You have NEVER found an error in any of my posts.  You are just jealous and you can't cope emotionally with me having different views to your own, so you invent reasons to attack me, then hide behind free speech and call me oversensitive.  Of course, no-one can accuse you of being over-sensitive.  It's always the person you are victimising.

On one occasion I made a typo which I self-corrected in a subsequent post that you ignored.  Instead you focused on that one typo and tried to make out that I couldn't spell the word.  That's how childish you are.

And how can we forget the time you accused me of misspelling a word, only for me to produce a scan of a dictionary proving you wrong.

You are also a typical 'holier than thou' type of person - typical of an English middle-class professional type. You accuse people of doing and saying things that you yourself do or say, sometimes five minutes ago. 

For instance, you go on and on and on and on and on about racism, but you have posted a racist criticism of the O.J. Simpson trial judge. 

You go on and on and on and on about free speech and civil liberties, but you yourself demand the infringement of the most basic civil liberties and human dignities.  My attack on you with the words, "Untested, experimental vaccine for thee, not for me" is very fitting and it will stay up. 

Every time you come on here to post about Covid-19 and demand that my civil liberties are restrained, I will repeat it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 19, 2021, 07:08:PM
Well if you oppose lockdown because the threat from Covid-19 is overstated I'm assuming that you also believe the individual should have the right to choose for himself or herself whether or not to take the vaccine.

Untested, experimental vaccine for thee, but not for me.

That's Steve's position.

Probably in the past it was also: Diversity for three, but not for me.

I am not demanding that Steve submits to any vaccine, it is Steve who demands that everybody else submits to petty government dictats, but when it comes to actually having some risky concoction injected into his person, he is suddenly all in favour of freedom of action.  'Oh no, I won't be taking it'.

I thought this was a dangerous pandemic?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 19, 2021, 09:53:PM
I am sceptical about the source of the virus; the pharma companies; the reliability of tests; the lack of time to assess the vaccines' effects etc.  I have concerns about missed diagnosis and treatment for other illnesses and diseases.  However, I do know that hospitals are being clogged up with people who have stuff in their lungs and I don't feel comfortable with any 'natural selection' or 'survival of the fittest' type stances with regard to our plight.  We need to look out for each other and care about the fate of the vulnerable.  But I do believe questions should continue to be asked and that the people asking them shouldn't be shouted down or routinely dismissed out of hand. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 19, 2021, 11:25:PM
i hate to sound like a nazi here but surveil of the fitist is just reallty and has allways happend.

people who are not fit have more chance of dying allways have done allways will.

ive got far more chance of dying of it than the average person but id rather catch it and die than live like this.

id certanly rather take my chances cathing it than take an untested vacine that that there not sure give you i,unity anyway.


Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 20, 2021, 03:53:AM
I am sceptical about the source of the virus; the pharma companies; the reliability of tests; the lack of time to assess the vaccines' effects etc.  I have concerns about missed diagnosis and treatment for other illnesses and diseases.  However, I do know that hospitals are being clogged up with people who have stuff in their lungs and I don't feel comfortable with any 'natural selection' or 'survival of the fittest' type stances with regard to our plight. We need to look out for each other and care about the fate of the vulnerable.  But I do believe questions should continue to be asked and that the people asking them shouldn't be shouted down or routinely dismissed out of hand.

You're twisting my words out of whack.  I am not saying people shouldn't look out for another.  I'm just pointing out the inevitability of natural forces.  We all age.  We all have to die.  Measures that go too far and infringe on civil liberties are often motivated by an absence of perspective.  The intentions may be nice in the minds of the enforcers, but the result is a hell on earth. 

As I have said, I believe in selective measures - i.e. Focused Protection, or something similar.  I am not opposed to state intervention, if necessary and sensible in scale, but prefer voluntary action.

"...I do know that hospitals are being clogged up with people who have stuff in their lungs..."  You know this is due to Covid-19 and not different from any other winter in Britain?  You know this for sure? How and from whom?  The questions everybody should ask themselves prior to making general claims: Who is my source?  Is this source reliable?  Does what I am being told make sense?  Are the public health restrictions proportionate and sensible given the mild risks?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 20, 2021, 09:37:AM
You're twisting my words out of whack.  I am not saying people shouldn't look out for another.  I'm just pointing out the inevitability of natural forces.  We all age.  We all have to die.  Measures that go too far and infringe on civil liberties are often motivated by an absence of perspective.  The intentions may be nice in the minds of the enforcers, but the result is a hell on earth. 

As I have said, I believe in selective measures - i.e. Focused Protection, or something similar.  I am not opposed to state intervention, if necessary and sensible in scale, but prefer voluntary action.

"...I do know that hospitals are being clogged up with people who have stuff in their lungs..."  You know this is due to Covid-19 and not different from any other winter in Britain?  You know this for sure? How and from whom?  The questions everybody should ask themselves prior to making general claims: Who is my source?  Is this source reliable?  Does what I am being told make sense?  Are the public health restrictions proportionate and sensible given the mild risks?

I asked one of my longstanding close friends who works at our local hospital. He's a no nonsense electrician and has been based at the hospital for about ten years. This was his view on 31st Dec:

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It is busy, very busy. Just before Xmas there was 122 patients admitted into hospital with covid, in the 1st wave there was a maximum of 46. If the figures get higher there simply won't be enough oxygen to treat everyone. They are installing new pipelines in now and have worked over Xmas to try and get it completed quicker.

Clearly this is not a normal winter.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 20, 2021, 09:52:AM
Your post above contains an untrue personal attack on me.  Yet you demand that I refrain from personal attacks on you.  I could stop there.  Your threats mean nothing.  If my posts are deleted, I will re-post the essential information that exposes you.

You started the personal attacks on me.  You've been attacking me from my very first day on this Forum.  You claim that you once apologised.  You have never done so.  Yet I have on at least two occasions, even though there was no need to.  When I stand up for myself, you accuse me of over-sensitivity or you claim that your attacks are 'criticism' and that you are just exercising free speech.

You are a very dishonest person.  You have NEVER found an error in any of my posts.  You are just jealous and you can't cope emotionally with me having different views to your own, so you invent reasons to attack me, then hide behind free speech and call me oversensitive.  Of course, no-one can accuse you of being over-sensitive.  It's always the person you are victimising.

On one occasion I made a typo which I self-corrected in a subsequent post that you ignored.  Instead you focused on that one typo and tried to make out that I couldn't spell the word.  That's how childish you are.

And how can we forget the time you accused me of misspelling a word, only for me to produce a scan of a dictionary proving you wrong.

You are also a typical 'holier than thou' type of person - typical of an English middle-class professional type. You accuse people of doing and saying things that you yourself do or say, sometimes five minutes ago. 

For instance, you go on and on and on and on and on about racism, but you have posted a racist criticism of the O.J. Simpson trial judge. 

You go on and on and on and on about free speech and civil liberties, but you yourself demand the infringement of the most basic civil liberties and human dignities.  My attack on you with the words, "Untested, experimental vaccine for thee, not for me" is very fitting and it will stay up. 

Every time you come on here to post about Covid-19 and demand that my civil liberties are restrained, I will repeat it.

Re typos...

Hstorically, I was always  poor at spelling and grammar, until quite far into adulthood. Even now my posts contain errors that I either correct or miss.

I was told that when I was small, there was some kind of hippy teacher experiment called ITA, whereby kids were taught to spell as they speak. This was given by my mam as a reason for my spelling inadequacies. The other reason I have been told is that 'intelligent', literate, expressive people tend to rush their writing and in doing so, commit grammatical errors.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 20, 2021, 11:10:AM
Re typos...

Hstorically, I was always  poor at spelling and grammar, until quite far into adulthood. Even now my posts contain errors that I either correct or miss.

I was told that when I was small, there was some kind of hippy teacher experiment called ITA, whereby kids were taught to spell as they speak. This was given by my mam as a reason for my spelling inadequacies. The other reason I have been told is that 'intelligent', literate, expressive people tend to rush their writing and in doing so, commit grammatical errors.

But I am not committing errors.  Steve is just inventing the issue as a way of attacking me.  In point of fact, I have never corrected anybody's spelling on here.  The only person who has done that is Steve, and then he does it incompetently.  He can't even use a simple dictionary.

He started it because I told Hartley to consult a dictionary, but that's because Hartley was being sarcastic to me and it had nothing whatever to do with Steve.  Steve sticks his nose into things that don't concern him and stirs up trouble.

All of this is childish and pathetic and it makes the Forum look ridiculous, but I am not the one who started the personal attacks or being obnoxious.  He did.  I'm just giving as good as I get.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 20, 2021, 11:13:AM
I asked one of my longstanding close friends who works at our local hospital. He's a no nonsense electrician and has been based at the hospital for about ten years. This was his view on 31st Dec:

Clearly this is not a normal winter.

First wave - late winter/early spring

This wave - height of winter

There is going to be a difference in the number of patients and the stresses on the system.  What your friend describes may be not too far from normal.

And I must repeat: my whole argument here isn't to deny there is a virus and that people are getting ill, it's to question the infringements of civil liberties, which I do not believe are necessary.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 20, 2021, 12:42:PM
First wave - late winter/early spring

This wave - height of winter

There is going to be a difference in the number of patients and the stresses on the system.  What your friend describes may be not too far from normal.

And I must repeat: my whole argument here isn't to deny there is a virus and that people are getting ill, it's to question the infringements of civil liberties, which I do not believe are necessary.

Personally I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Lockdown works in getting the numbers down but because lockdowns are not done properly or policed properly or last long enough, they are only ever a stay of execution regarding the numbers rising again. Lockdowns harm businesses and will probably impact on missed diagnosis and treatment of other diseases. A kind of time bomb perhaps.  There does not seem to be any ideal solution.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 20, 2021, 01:30:PM
Personally I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Lockdown works in getting the numbers down but because lockdowns are not done properly or policed properly or last long enough, they are only ever a stay of execution regarding the numbers rising again. Lockdowns harm businesses and will probably impact on missed diagnosis and treatment of other diseases. A kind of time bomb perhaps.  There does not seem to be any ideal solution.

If you, Steve and David, and whoever else, want to live in a police state/Big Mummy society, could you please go and set it up somewhere else?  I hear Australia is quite nice this time of year.  Go there.  Please don't impose your ideas on me.  What you are doing is very wrong.  You are doing this under colour of law and under the threat of fines and imprisonment.  It is outrageous.  In the past, people like you were hung from trees.

Lockdowns don't work for the very reasons you have just stated.  Your own post undermines your own argument. 

The government's own statistics also undermine your stance.  I have no need for esoteric conspiracy theories.  I can just call up the government's own figures, which show that this is not a lethal pandemic.

It's not a case of looking for an 'ideal solution'.  There is never (or rarely) an ideal solution to anything.  People age and die.  People contract illnesses.  It's not pleasant, but that's life.  I am included in this.  I will die one day. I may contract an unpleasant illness at any time.  I may be run over crossing a busy road.  I may bump into Steve in Manchester city centre and, having forgotten my garlic, I shall fall down dead on meeting his vampiric death-stare.

Being an adult, I have to accept these risks.  I don't demand that the rest of society shuts down.

Please, just get a life.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 20, 2021, 01:50:PM
If you, Steve and David, and whoever else, want to live in a police state/Big Mummy society, could you please go and set it up somewhere else?  I hear Australia is quite nice this time of year.  Go there.  Please don't impose your ideas on me.  What you are doing is very wrong.  You are doing this under colour of law and under the threat of fines and imprisonment.  It is outrageous.  In the past, people like you were hung from trees.

Lockdowns don't work for the very reasons you have just stated.  Your own post undermines your own argument. 

The government's own statistics also undermine your stance.  I have no need for esoteric conspiracy theories.  I can just call up the government's own figures, which show that this is not a lethal pandemic.

It's not a case of looking for an 'ideal solution'.  There is never (or rarely) an ideal solution to anything.  People age and die.  People contract illnesses.  It's not pleasant, but that's life.  I am included in this.  I will die one day. I may contract an unpleasant illness at any time.  I may be run over crossing a busy road.  I may bump into Steve in Manchester city centre and, having forgotten my garlic, I shall fall down dead on meeting his vampiric death-stare.

Being an adult, I have to accept these risks.  I don't demand that the rest of society shuts down.

Please, just get a life.

I am regularly in touch with people who hold similar views to yourself. As I am with people who hold the opposite views. I try to listen to both sides. I have expressed doubts regarding what could be termed the official narrative. However I am aware of people who have died and I'm aware of hospitals being pushed to capacity. I'm not sure what the answer is but I doubt that getting your knickers in a twist will help. What we need is sensible debate, for example from the likes of yourself and David who are quite analytical but from opposing sides on this matter.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 20, 2021, 03:17:PM
I am regularly in touch with people who hold similar views to yourself. As I am with people who hold the opposite views. I try to listen to both sides. I have expressed doubts regarding what could be termed the official narrative. However I am aware of people who have died and I'm aware of hospitals being pushed to capacity. I'm not sure what the answer is but I doubt that getting your knickers in a twist will help. What we need is sensible debate, for example from the likes of yourself and David who are quite analytical but from opposing sides on this matter.

hospitals are pushed to capcity every winter they have been forthe last 30 years or so the resom they have that number of beds is becouse that is the number of people they are expecting to be in hospital
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 20, 2021, 06:44:PM
hospitals are pushed to capcity every winter they have been forthe last 30 years or so the resom they have that number of beds is becouse that is the number of people they are expecting to be in hospital

Exactly. Nugnug, you are the only other person on this thread who talks any sense.

Additionally, we can also say:

1. Both Labour and Tory governments have reduced NHS in-patient beds over the last 20 or so years.  I'm not saying this is a bad thing in itself.  For all I know, this may have been the right thing to do.  But the problem is that this has been done against a background of not having any structural preparedness for mass infections and pandemics - for instance, this country once had a network of infection hospitals, which were all shut by the early 2000s.  This means that every winter, the main emergency treatment hubs of the NHS are in crisis due to the strain they are put under.  Year after year, every December and January, we see the same headlines: NHS on the brink of collapse.  Essentially, successive governments of both main parties have relied on the goodwill of the medical and nursing professions and on bringing in clinical staff from other countries - especially the Subcontinent - to address personnel supply problems within the organisation, as few want to work for the NHS and go through all the stress and crap that they have to. 

2. NHS doctors, nurses and other workers have to take Covid-19 tests.  These tests have high false positive rates - this is officially admitted.  When a positive result is returned, this presumably removes that person from the NHS workforce, putting strain on everybody else and leading to crises in the different treatment centres. 

3. Wrong and false death certifications are being made by doctors and bureaucrats.  Provisional death registrations form the basis of the government's own figures [which I rely on] and these attribute deaths to Covid simply because the patient had a positive Covid-19 test.  That's wrong because it doesn't give us an accurate picture of the mortality of the illness.  But the real point is that if you accept that the mortality rate is being exaggerated, then you have to accept that the number of deaths from this illness is even tinier than the small numbers officially admitted. 

4. Given that the Covid-19 tests have high false positives, we also don't know the true extent of the pandemic or whether the people supposedly being treated in hospitals for Covid-19 actually have the virus or are suffering from something else.  Surely in most cases, it must be that these patients are elderly or unhealthy and would be engaging with healthcare providers anyway on some level at this time of year.

I could go on but that will do for now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 20, 2021, 07:03:PM
I am regularly in touch with people who hold similar views to yourself. As I am with people who hold the opposite views. I try to listen to both sides. I have expressed doubts regarding what could be termed the official narrative. However I am aware of people who have died and I'm aware of hospitals being pushed to capacity. I'm not sure what the answer is but I doubt that getting your knickers in a twist will help. What we need is sensible debate, for example from the likes of yourself and David who are quite analytical but from opposing sides on this matter.

I'm 'getting my knickers in a twist' because you are insisting that I live in an open prison.  That is what it amounts to, and I am not one inclined to hyperbole.  You are restraining ordinary liberty.  That is prison.

Regrettably, I have personal experience in this matter, and I can tell you that the regime we now live under is not too far removed from the better days at Ford Open.  At least you could have a laugh in one of Her Majesty's Establishments.  I used to drive a tractor round an agricultural prison in the south of England.

To cope with the trauma of incarceration, I can look back and make light of it, or remember the better parts of it - sometimes.  It's a coping mechanism.  But there is nothing to laugh about or make light of in what you are supporting.

This situation we have been put in now and that you support is not remotely amusing.  It is dangerous and frankly alarming. Taking away basic civil liberties and demanding people disclose sensitive medical information to Mandy and Jim at Tesco is a very serious matter indeed.  It should only be done under the most extraordinary justification - that is to say, a serious crime committed and proved following a fair trial, or a lethal pandemic in which people are dropping dead left-right-and-centre, or something of that order.

I am a reasonable man.  I could certainly forgive the government if they had made a genuine mistake earlier last year and declared a preventative emergency, using civil contingency powers temporarily against an impending pandemic they genuinely believed would be lethal - provided the relevant measures were only for the period necessary.  If they then promptly admitted their mistake, scaled down the measures and compensated anybody who had suffered damages, I don't see how most people could have much of an issue.

That is not what has occurred here.  These measures have gone on for months with no end in sight, yet they are totally unnecessary. 

Anybody - anybody - who supports what is going on immediately loses at least some of my respect.  Sorry.

What next?  Electronic permission to leave the house?  Ankle tagging?  Compulsory vaccinations?

Perhaps when you next reply on this thread, you could tell us whether you will be submitting to this vaccine when it's your turn.  You already have my answer, and to his credit, Steve has told us.  What's your position, please?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on January 20, 2021, 08:48:PM
It might still be too early to give a definitive reply. I don't like the idea of being sick after being administered the vaccine. It seems the figures may be exaggerated. I would request people to use a face mask out of courtesy, and of course most supermarkets are now demanding their wear. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 20, 2021, 10:24:PM
This may be of interest:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/l16p28/im_a_junior_doctor_who_has_been_working_on_the/

I understand the following is the blog of the junior doctor who made the above subreddit post:

https://medicineandliberty.wordpress.com/

I cannot vouch for the reliability of any of it, and he seems to have an agenda against the NHS, nevertheless he makes a lot of interesting points.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 21, 2021, 10:12:PM
I'm 'getting my knickers in a twist' because you are insisting that I live in an open prison.  That is what it amounts to, and I am not one inclined to hyperbole.  You are restraining ordinary liberty.  That is prison.

Regrettably, I have personal experience in this matter, and I can tell you that the regime we now live under is not too far removed from the better days at Ford Open.  At least you could have a laugh in one of Her Majesty's Establishments.  I used to drive a tractor round an agricultural prison in the south of England.

To cope with the trauma of incarceration, I can look back and make light of it, or remember the better parts of it - sometimes.  It's a coping mechanism.  But there is nothing to laugh about or make light of in what you are supporting.

This situation we have been put in now and that you support is not remotely amusing.  It is dangerous and frankly alarming. Taking away basic civil liberties and demanding people disclose sensitive medical information to Mandy and Jim at Tesco is a very serious matter indeed.  It should only be done under the most extraordinary justification - that is to say, a serious crime committed and proved following a fair trial, or a lethal pandemic in which people are dropping dead left-right-and-centre, or something of that order.

I am a reasonable man.  I could certainly forgive the government if they had made a genuine mistake earlier last year and declared a preventative emergency, using civil contingency powers temporarily against an impending pandemic they genuinely believed would be lethal - provided the relevant measures were only for the period necessary.  If they then promptly admitted their mistake, scaled down the measures and compensated anybody who had suffered damages, I don't see how most people could have much of an issue.

That is not what has occurred here.  These measures have gone on for months with no end in sight, yet they are totally unnecessary. 

Anybody - anybody - who supports what is going on immediately loses at least some of my respect.  Sorry.

What next?  Electronic permission to leave the house?  Ankle tagging?  Compulsory vaccinations?

Perhaps when you next reply on this thread, you could tell us whether you will be submitting to this vaccine when it's your turn.  You already have my answer, and to his credit, Steve has told us.  What's your position, please?

I can see why Steve feels it's too early to give a definitive answer.   I'm getting forwarded for a vaccine through my workplace.  I haven't attempted to opt out - so I suppose I'm going to take the risk.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 22, 2021, 03:13:PM
I can see why Steve feels it's too early to give a definitive answer.   I'm getting forwarded for a vaccine through my workplace.  I haven't attempted to opt out - so I suppose I'm going to take the risk.

Untested, experimental vaccine for thee, but not for me.  You have tried to justify the destruction of social and business life and restraints on liberty on the basis that this is a lethal pandemic.  Surely it is your duty to accept this vaccine or you look a hypocrite?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 22, 2021, 10:23:PM
Untested, experimental vaccine for thee, but not for me.  You have tried to justify the destruction of social and business life and restraints on liberty on the basis that this is a lethal pandemic.  Surely it is your duty to accept this vaccine or you look a hypocrite?

I'm not over keen on having it but will do so.  My partner had it today.  She doesn't feel too grand.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 22, 2021, 11:13:PM
I'm not over keen on having it but will do so.  My partner had it today.  She doesn't feel too grand.

Well I hope she gets better soon.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 23, 2021, 10:34:AM
Well I hope she gets better soon.

Thanks. Seems alright today but was having trouble contracting one or two fingers this morning. She's driving to Richmond (North Yorks) so must be OK now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on January 23, 2021, 05:33:PM
I had my vaccination today, in a way against my better judgement, but after having been phoned 5 times over the weeks, they rang my daughter who came and picked me up. So far so good after not having felt a thing, let it stay like that. Another in 6 weeks time.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 23, 2021, 06:27:PM
I had my vaccination today, in a way against my better judgement, but after having been phoned 5 times over the weeks, they rang my daughter who came and picked me up. So far so good after not having felt a thing, let it stay like that. Another in 6 weeks time.

Since you have made your decision, we must all wish you the best and a trouble-free experience.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 24, 2021, 06:00:AM
Thanks. Seems alright today but was having trouble contracting one or two fingers this morning. She's driving to Richmond (North Yorks) so must be OK now.

In that case, Citizen Roch 7462, please report immediately to the Grand Covid Marshall, Citizen David 1819, for your weekly orientation.  Remember citizen: do your duty. 

Wondrous news citizens!  The Grammarian-General, Citizen Steve 6456, reports that spelling and syntactical errors were down by 25% in 2020 compared to 2019.  It is only through diligent enforcement that this high standard has been achieved. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 24, 2021, 01:31:PM
I had my vaccination today, in a way against my better judgement, but after having been phoned 5 times over the weeks, they rang my daughter who came and picked me up. So far so good after not having felt a thing, let it stay like that. Another in 6 weeks time.
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if it works why do you need another one in 6 weeks.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 24, 2021, 11:01:PM


if it works why do you need another one in 6 weeks.

It does work after the first jab.  The purpose of the second jab is to maximise immunity in an effort to minimise the R number.  They believe that to keep the R number consistently below 1, they need something like 90% of the population with a vaccine dosage that gives each person something like 85% immunity, hence two jabs.  Immunity is never absolute; it is always less than 100%.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 25, 2021, 05:44:PM
In that case, Citizen Roch 7462, please report immediately to the Grand Covid Marshall, Citizen David 1819, for your weekly orientation.  Remember citizen: do your duty. 

Wondrous news citizens!  The Grammarian-General, Citizen Steve 6456, reports that spelling and syntactical errors were down by 25% in 2020 compared to 2019.  It is only through diligent enforcement that this high standard has been achieved.

Sounds like some dystopian future in a Terry Gilliam film.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 25, 2021, 05:54:PM
Sounds like some dystopian future in a Terry Gilliam film.

Citizen Roch 7462, dissent will not be tolerated!  You will report immediately to the Grand Marshal, Citizen David 1819 for adjustment of your mental programming.

We also note you have been watching banned films by the enemy film director, Terry Gilliam.  This is forbidden!  Further breaches of the Safe Viewer Policy will result in an inquiry by the Grammarian-General, Citizen Steve 6456.  Remember: it is for your own good!

You have been warned, citizen!

Wondrous news citizens!  The valiant efforts of our Worker Doctors and Nurses in combating the Eastasian Yellow Death has resulted in a fall of 35% in excess annual deaths among the elderly! 

Citizens, please continue to be vigilant and report any breaches of the Public Health Restrictions to our Grand Covid Marshal, Citizen David 1819. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 25, 2021, 05:56:PM
It does work after the first jab.  The purpose of the second jab is to maximise immunity in an effort to minimise the R number.  They believe that to keep the R number consistently below 1, they need something like 90% of the population with a vaccine dosage that gives each person something like 85% immunity, hence two jabs.  Immunity is never absolute; it is always less than 100%.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 27, 2021, 12:24:AM
This seems like a bit of a long shot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 27, 2021, 12:38:AM
This seems like a bit of a long shot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html)

well to proves imcompetence they have to say what he should of done diffrently and the hundered thousand stat is bullshit anyway


not exactly a borris fand and id love see him and his party gone but theres really no case.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 27, 2021, 05:54:AM
This seems like a bit of a long shot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html)

How does a Pakistani, and a very ordinary solicitor at that, come to hold a senior position within this country's criminal justice system?  Furthermore, how does such a person come to be in charge of prosecuting criminal offences peculiar to the Moslem community in this country, as he has been doing since not long after he joined the CPS in 2001?  There will have been countless white native Britons, just as qualified, if not better, who could have performed the roles he has been privileged to serve in.

I just wonder why we are so lacking in national self-confidence that we hand over important and privileged roles to foreigners and aliens?  Did the (probably white middle-class) people who appointed him think it would be groovy baby to have a Pakistani in charge for a change?

When he resigned back in 2015, there were allegations that he sent a text message to a defendant in a criminal case.  Did he?  If so, what did the text message contain?  Nobody seems to know and no journalist appears to have bothered to ask him, and it all looks very suspicious because there is the implication hanging in the air that there was more to it.

Apart from all that, I'm not clear what point he is trying to make in regard to Covid-19.  He has a history of threatening people with private prosecution, but as much as I may dislike this government, no government on Earth can be held responsible for the natural transmission of a virus.  We had thunder storms in my area the other night, but it didn't occur to me to send a letter of complaint to my MP.  Yes, governments can take action to mitigate the effects of the virus, but ultimately a viral pandemic is a force of nature.  I appreciate he has lost his brother and he ascribes this to Covid-19, but he is an adult and a man and has held a position of professional responsibility and he should have a bit more about him.  How does someone so immature and lacking in elementary logic come to such prominence in our society?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 27, 2021, 10:40:AM
id love to see it go ahead becouse some inconventaint ruths might come like most of these people dident die of covid at all.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on January 27, 2021, 10:54:AM
I have time for this man. Back in the case of the Rochdale grooming gangs, he had very little support from the police at the time who knew this incidious crime was going on. He seems to be flogging a dead horse whatever he tries to do in stemming these horrendous crimes, exploitation and the county lines all affecting the young. Why has the country turned its back on such crimes ?
Didn't he try and prosecute Cummings for his breach of the guide-lines which were in place at the time ?

I totally agree with him that 100,000 deaths is unacceptable and when you lose a family member it brings it closer to home. I don't think he'll be on his own in suing the government once thousands have got over their initial grief. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 27, 2021, 11:39:AM
I totally agree with him that 100,000 deaths is unacceptable and when you lose a family member it brings it closer to home. I don't think he'll be on his own in suing the government once thousands have got over their initial grief.

But Covid-19 hasn't killed 100,000 people in Britain.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 27, 2021, 12:31:PM
But Covid-19 hasn't killed 100,000 people in Britain.

Aye it wouldn't suprise me if somebody died in a car crash a few weeks after testing positive, it would go down as a Covid death.

(corrected typo - wouldn't for would).
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 27, 2021, 01:11:PM
Aye it would suprise me if somebody died in a car crash a few weeks after testing positive, it would go down as a Covid death.

But Roch, that is officially the position.  Unless it is blatantly obvious that death is from some other cause, the cause of death is put down as Covid-19.  Even when the death certificate records Covid-19 only as a secondary cause of death, it then becomes part of the statistics.  This means that the 100,000 figure is of people who died with Covid-19 but not necessarily of it.

Furthermore, the mortality rates for 2020 are not greatly increased compared to other years, and virtually all deaths will be elderly people or young people with co-morbidities.  How do we know that these deaths were due to Covid-19, and not flu or some other illness or weakness, or frankly, in the case of the elderly, just old age?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 27, 2021, 01:26:PM
But Roch, that is officially the position.  Unless it is blatantly obvious that death is from some other cause, the cause of death is put down as Covid-19.  Even when the death certificate records Covid-19 only as a secondary cause of death, it then becomes part of the statistics.  This means that the 100,000 figure is of people who died with Covid-19 but not necessarily of it.

Furthermore, the mortality rates for 2020 are not greatly increased compared to other years, and virtually all deaths will be elderly people or young people with co-morbidities.  How do we know that these deaths were due to Covid-19, and not flu or some other illness or weakness, or frankly, in the case of the elderly, just old age?

Apologies, my post contains a typo. It should say wouldn't instead of would. I'll get hauled over the Grammarian General's coals if I don't get my house in order at this rate.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 27, 2021, 01:35:PM
https://youtu.be/Zgq5eOp2eP4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 27, 2021, 02:37:PM
Apologies, my post contains a typo. It should say wouldn't instead of would. I'll get hauled over the Grammarian General's coals if I don't get my house in order at this rate.

Citizen Roch 7462!  Yes, you!  Citizen Roch 7462!  Stand up straight, citizen!  Our boys on the Malabar Front don't slouch like that! 

Citizen Roch 7462, you have made an error in Newspeak Usage contrary to section 3, sub-paragraph 1 of the Grammatical and Syntactical Code.  The Grammarian-General, Citizen Steve 6456, has been informed and will decide on the penalty.

Citizen Roch 7462, this is your third infraction this week, after your violation of the Safe Viewer Policy, and your refusal to take the Yellow Death vaccine.  Grand Marshal Citizen David 1819 will be fitting you with an attitude adjustment belt, which you will wear for the next six weeks.

Wondrous news, citizens!  Now more than 34% of your fellow citizens have been vaccinated against the Yellow Death!  Soon everyone will have the vaccine and we will defeat the Yellow Death, but we must remain vigilant citizens, in case of new strains.  The Chief Prosecutor, Citizen Nazir 6452, will be launching a prosecution of all dissidents who refuse the vaccine.  These miscreants can expect to serve long sentences of hard labour in the Falklands.  Rest assured citizens, we will win this fight!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on January 27, 2021, 08:37:PM
Would those who died have lived longer without Covid ? There could be many who'd still have had a few more years left  without contracting it ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 28, 2021, 03:19:AM
Would those who died have lived longer without Covid ? There could be many who'd still have had a few more years left  without contracting it ?

Would somebody who gets runs over by a car on a busy road have lived longer if only we had banned cars?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 28, 2021, 01:32:PM
Would those who died have lived longer without Covid ? There could be many who'd still have had a few more years left  without contracting it ?

as most of them got in hospital maybe we should ban hospitals then the problem would be solved.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 28, 2021, 04:57:PM
Would somebody who gets runs over by a car on a busy road have lived longer if only we had banned cars?

If someone walks into a busy road and gets run over, that's their own stupidity to blame. lol
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 28, 2021, 05:18:PM


Furthermore, the mortality rates for 2020 are not greatly increased compared to other years, and virtually all deaths will be elderly people or young people with co-morbidities.  How do we know that these deaths were due to Covid-19, and not flu or some other illness or weakness, or frankly, in the case of the elderly, just old age?

Yes they are.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 28, 2021, 06:36:PM
Yes they are.

were does that come from what source.

is that another one of your dodgy graphs.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 29, 2021, 12:55:AM
If someone walks into a busy road and gets run over, that's their own stupidity to blame. lol

Nevertheless, you don't ban cars just because people get run over every year (whether due to their own carelessness or for other reasons). 

No analogy can be perfect.  The point is proportionality.  I am willing to accept there is a viral pandemic, but the measures taken are out of proportion. 

'LOL' is not an argument.  It doesn't add any credence to what you say.  It's similar to the use of emoticons by Real Justice, who imagines it makes him appear clever.  It's rude, inarticulate and child-like, and it's an indication of insecurity, mediocre intelligence and passive aggression.

I assume you will be taking the vaccine?  Please confirm when you're next on here giving us your 'LOLs' and showing-off those superior critical thinking skills you like to boast about.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 29, 2021, 12:56:AM
Yes they are.

No, they are not.  I have already explained why in earlier posts on the thread.  Your problem here is that you are taking government figures at face value.  I agree that to make a conservative case, one should rely on the government figures, but that does not mean they should be accepted uncritically.  You should learn to interrogate the information people give you.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 29, 2021, 02:12:AM
were does that come from what source.

is that another one of your dodgy graphs.

Everything about this is dodgy.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 29, 2021, 03:12:PM
well a lot of people are cashing in on it coincedence maybe maybe not https://youtu.be/5z5RPFoxSds
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 29, 2021, 03:34:PM
well a lot of people are cashing in on it coincedence maybe maybe not https://youtu.be/5z5RPFoxSds

Several Cabinet ministers are financially conflicted - something that would have been considered scandalous in recent memory, but which is now not worthy of comment.  Members of Parliament and teachers seem to enjoy an easier life. NHS workers are hero-worshipped for doing nothing more than what is expected of them in their jobs.  Unproductive people can stay at home and collect a government payout.  Freedoms are suffocated. Dissent is suppressed.  The talented must kow-tow to the mediocre. The fit and healthy must defer to the sick.  The young must sacrifice their future for a small minority of the old.  The media and celebrities receive clicks and attention by cranking up outrage and drama and seeing controversy in very ordinary views and opinions. 

It's the disintegration of society.  It's disgusting, all of it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 30, 2021, 04:12:PM
i see why the police like issuing fines `now. https://youtu.be/9GwTERGveKg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 30, 2021, 04:33:PM
i see why the police like issuing fines `now. https://youtu.be/9GwTERGveKg

The official explanation is that the payments for fixed penalty notices go to the ACRO Criminal Records Office, which is independent of the CPOSA, and are held in a separate account before being disbursed to local authorities.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 03, 2021, 12:17:AM
this is scary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hatVYkoBU2A&t=65s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 03, 2021, 08:16:AM
this is scary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hatVYkoBU2A&t=65s

I think our opposition to all this needs to be grounded in facts, not hysteria.  It seems to me that at the moment you have two camps at the two extremes: one camp has embarrassingly hyped up a very ordinary virus and turned it into something akin to a zombie apocalypse with a de facto police state, the other camp is telling us that this is the beginning of some sort of high-tech totalitarian dystopia.

I am virtually-certain (as certain as I can be within the bounds of reason) that the first camp are wrong.  This is based on facts available in the mainstream public domain, including government statistics, which disprove their own case, and also based on my discussions and debates with adherents of the hysteria, including people like David, Steve and Lookout here on the forum.  Their arguments are paper thin and quickly unravel.

That raises the question of 'Why?'  I am unsure of the motives behind all this.  There is something to be said for the 'cock-up theory' in history: often, when malign actors take over, there was no plan or conspiracy behind it, they are just taking advantage of someone's mistake.

The people ramping up the fear by alleging conspiracies and what not are just at the other end of the extreme.  They are as bad as the people exaggerating the virus.  The necessary caveat is that, unlike the people exaggerating the virus, I must acknowledge that the conspiracy theorists may in fact turn out to be right.  I just wish they would spend a bit more time getting their own facts right.  They are often not very clued-up about things like law and microbiology and make elementary mistakes or go off on unproductive tangents and hobby horses, which means they can be quickly discredited.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 03, 2021, 01:15:PM
I wonder how many " conspiracy theorists " and " anti-vaxxers have died ??
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on February 03, 2021, 01:45:PM
I wonder how many " conspiracy theorists " and " anti-vaxxers have died ??

Like this guy?

https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies (https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 03, 2021, 05:20:PM
I wonder how many " conspiracy theorists " and " anti-vaxxers have died ??

Everybody has to die.  I shouldn't expect that the virus knows what somebody thinks of it.  It will infect people regardless of their views or the precautions they take, since even if you lockdown or wear face coverings, you can still contract it and develop the infection and disease. 

Furthermore, lots of people have coincidentally died or suffered serious complications not long after being injected with the vaccine. 

Tell me which you think is more dangerous: accepting an untested, experimental vaccine or going about your normal life without fear of a disease that in excess of 99% of people survive?

Like this guy?

https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies (https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies)

You are posting up rubbish now.  You can't inject a disease into yourself.  It has to be the virus (or bacterium if it is a non-viral disease).  How would an ordinary person go about doing that?  The story is obviously fake, just like the statistics that are used to support all the hysteria.

In any case, nobody who is serious is denying that you can die due to Covid-19.  The real issue is proportionality of the response to it.  On that issue, you have no case and you know it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 03, 2021, 05:36:PM
I see Perth locked down for five days, because one person tested positive. The locals seem to be grateful that such stringent measures have been taken. It is a relatively isolated city but not far away from southeast Asia.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on February 03, 2021, 06:23:PM

You are posting up rubbish now.  You can't inject a disease into yourself.  It has to be the virus (or bacterium if it is a non-viral disease).  How would an ordinary person go about doing that?  The story is obviously fake, just like the statistics that are used to support all the hysteria.

In any case, nobody who is serious is denying that you can die due to Covid-19.  The real issue is proportionality of the response to it.  On that issue, you have no case and you know it.

He didn't get injected. He only claimed he wanted to be injected with it - "I have a plan. Inject me with the coronavirus. If I die then all of your paranoid bulls--t is legit".

He subsequently caught it naturally and died. Lesson learned and learn to read.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on February 03, 2021, 06:32:PM

I am virtually-certain (as certain as I can be within the bounds of reason) that the first camp are wrong.  This is based on facts available in the mainstream public domain, including government statistics, which disprove their own case, and also based on my discussions and debates with adherents of the hysteria, including people like David, Steve and Lookout here on the forum.  Their arguments are paper thin and quickly unravel.


Don't project yourself onto me QC.

This is your argument in a nutshell -

(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a86b76d-d6ef-4b56-8f4d-48c164defc07_1080x1080.png)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 03, 2021, 06:35:PM
He didn't get injected. He only claimed he wanted to be injected with it - "I have a plan. Inject me with the coronavirus. If I die then all of your paranoid bulls--t is legit".

He subsequently caught it naturally and died. Lesson learned and learn to read.

I can read perfectly well thanks.  I didn't say that he had injected himself with it.  YOU learn to read, you dishonest police state tosspot.

You are completely and utterly full of crap.  Where is your proof that the case is real?  Please post it up.  I've searched for it and I can only find it on two unreliable sites that are clearly biased and that refer to extracts from somebody's social media that seem to relate to two different accounts.  It doesn't seem very solid to me.

Let's see the proof this actually happened.  I want to see how we know that a person died of Covid-19.  As explained above, I'm sure some people do die of it, but let's see if this case is real or propaganda. 

Also, I'm still waiting for you to confirm that you'll be having the vaccine.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 03, 2021, 06:38:PM
Don't project yourself onto me QC.

This is your argument in a nutshell -

(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8a86b76d-d6ef-4b56-8f4d-48c164defc07_1080x1080.png)

How does advising people about electrical safety even remotely equate to creating a massive public health alarm and a de facto police state over a mild illness that 99% of people survive and that causes in most only mild symptoms?

And who said most people die of flu?  What has any of this even got to do with it?

This is just absurd.

You are full of crap.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 03, 2021, 06:42:PM
I see Perth locked down for five days, because one person tested positive. The locals seem to be grateful that such stringent measures have been taken. It is a relatively isolated city but not far away from southeast Asia.

Are you actually suggesting that this is justified due to one person testing positive, in a test that is not even reliable, and possibly with no symptoms?  In all seriousness, is this a wind-up?  Are you just having a laugh with me now?

If you are being serious, then no offence, but I am a bit disappointed.  I thought you were a bit more intelligent than this.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on February 03, 2021, 06:52:PM
I can read perfectly well thanks and you are completely and utterly full of crap.

Where is your proof that the case is real?  Please post it up.  I want to see how we know that a person died of Covid-19.  As explained above, I'm sure some people do die of it. 

Also, I'm still waiting for you to confirm that you'll be having the vaccine.

Where is your proof that the case is hoax? Find this guy with Trump tattoo alive and ask him why he hasn't come forward to reveal his photos are being used in a viral hoax.  ::)

(https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/3gPgAvjYC/1440x754/featured-covid-denier-1605194957907.jpg)

When the vaccine is eventually offered to me in the late summer, yes I will take it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 03, 2021, 07:04:PM
Where is your proof that the case is hoax? Find this guy with Trump tattoo alive and ask him why he hasn't come forward to reveal his photos are being used in a viral hoax.  ::)

(https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/3gPgAvjYC/1440x754/featured-covid-denier-1605194957907.jpg)

When the vaccine is eventually offered to me in the late summer, yes I will take it.

(i). It is not viral.  I google it and found it reported on two websites.  That's not viral. 

(ii). Based on what you have posted so far, I am not satisfied that the case is genuine.  The case is not reported from reliable sources and the evidence cited in those sources is not credible.  I will make no further enquiries of my own.  I don't need to.  You need to, if you want anybody to take it seriously.  Otherwise, we can just dismiss it as an example of your desperation.

(iii). Even if it turns out to be true, it does nothing to undermine my case, which is that the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion and is an example of fear-induced hysteria.  I don't deny that there is a virus, and I acknowledge that people are dying from it, but virtually all of those unfortunate people are elderly or have co-morbidities (as an aside, the man in the photo above is elderly and looks overweight).  Furthermore, only a tiny amount of people statistically, and most of those who experience symptoms only suffer mildly.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on February 03, 2021, 07:17:PM
(i). It is not viral.  I google it and found it reported on two websites.  That's not viral. 

(ii). Based on what you have posted so far, I am not satisfied that the case is genuine.  The case is not reported from reliable sources and the evidence cited in those sources is not credible.  I will make no further enquiries of my own.  I don't need to.  You need to, if you want anybody to take it seriously.  Otherwise, we can just dismiss it as an example of your desperation.

(iii). Even if it turns out to be true, it does nothing to undermine my case, which is that the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion and is an example of fear-induced hysteria.  I don't deny that there is a virus, and I acknowledge that people are dying from it, but virtually all of those unfortunate people are elderly or have co-morbidities (as an aside, the man in the photo above is elderly and looks overweight).  Furthermore, only a tiny amount of people statistically, and most of those who experience symptoms only suffer mildly.

(i) Its been retweeted 9 thousand times on twitter, it viral.

(ii) You questioned its validity thus the burden is on you not me.

(iii) I cant speak for you, but there is not any hysteria where I live. Everything is more or less normal except I have to wear a mask when I go shopping.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 03, 2021, 08:58:PM
(i) Its been retweeted 9 thousand times on twitter, it viral.

(ii) You questioned its validity thus the burden is on you not me.

(iii) I cant speak for you, but there is not any hysteria where I live. Everything is more or less normal except I have to wear a mask when I go shopping.
We are as a nation racking up debt though aren't we, which will have to be paid either by future generations or by increasing taxes on the working population now. I read today there's a new mutation and wonder if the vaccine will be fully effective. We will have to open up the economy sometime, probably when everyone who wants the vaccine has been inoculated.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 03, 2021, 09:11:PM
Are you actually suggesting that this is justified due to one person testing positive, in a test that is not even reliable, and possibly with no symptoms?  In all seriousness, is this a wind-up?  Are you just having a laugh with me now?

If you are being serious, then no offence, but I am a bit disappointed.  I thought you were a bit more intelligent than this.

What I'm saying is that Perth people seem to deem timely, stringent measures as a small price to pay for avoiding what has happened elsewhere, eg UK.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 04, 2021, 06:51:AM
What I'm saying is that Perth people seem to deem timely, stringent measures as a small price to pay for avoiding what has happened elsewhere, eg UK.

To be honest, I think you're barking mad. Have you actually thought through what you are saying here?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 04, 2021, 06:54:AM
(i) Its been retweeted 9 thousand times on twitter, it viral.

(ii) You questioned its validity thus the burden is on you not me.

(iii) I cant speak for you, but there is not any hysteria where I live. Everything is more or less normal except I have to wear a mask when I go shopping.

(i). That doesn't make it viral.  For instance, retweets are not necessarily organic.

(ii). No.  You've got that the wrong way round.  The burden is on the person making the claims.  Your sources are not credible.

(iii). How can locking down an entire country - in effect, putting us all under house arrest - be considered anything other than the result of hysteria?

I honestly think you have horse blinders on, or you are brainwashed and programmed, or you know you're wrong and you are just winding me up for a laugh. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on February 04, 2021, 11:19:AM
(i). That doesn't make it viral.  For instance, retweets are not necessarily organic.

(ii). No.  You've got that the wrong way round.  The burden is on the person making the claims.  Your sources are not credible.

(iii). How can locking down an entire country - in effect, putting us all under house arrest - be considered anything other than the result of hysteria?

I honestly think you have horse blinders on, or you are brainwashed and programmed, or you know you're wrong and you are just winding me up for a laugh.

(i) 9 thousand retweets and 23 thousand likes is viral in my book.

(ii) No, you challenged its authenticity and claimed it was fake thus the burden is on you to prove it is such.

(iii) I can leave my place whenever I want. I am not under "house arrest".
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 04, 2021, 12:43:PM
(i) 9 thousand retweets and 23 thousand likes is viral in my book.

(ii) No, you challenged its authenticity and claimed it was fake thus the burden is on you to prove it is such.

(iii) I can leave my place whenever I want. I am not under "house arrest".

(i). No, it's not necessarily viral.  What you're describing is something that may have trended or maybe been viral on Twitter itself.  It is not viral information from the point-of-view of society just because lots of people share it on one platform, and I repeat: the retweets and 'likes' may not be organic and genuine.  It wasn't reported in the mainstream media, to my knowledge.  In any case, we're getting side-tracked.  The issue is whether it is true.  Just because lots of people share a meme, it doesn't mean it's true, especially when - as here - the meme is in a controlled format that is difficult to interrogate.  The story literally appears on only two websites and could easily be made-up or could be a twisted version of the facts.

It may be that you don't know much about social media and how it works and you naively don't realise that much of it is fake.  This is interesting because one way of looking at this virus is that it is a form of memed hysteria, in which people use communication tools like social media to whip up fear and paranoia.  You seem to just accept at face value what you see on social media and give it credence if it has lots of likes and retweets, which suggests there is a blind spot in your critical thinking skills.  I wonder if this is a common thing among people of your generation and partly explains why younger people are swallowing all this?  The virus is real, of course, but the over-the-top reaction to it could be seen as a meme which lots of people accept because it appears everybody else accepts it.

(ii). No.  You are the one making the claim and you have produced no evidence whatever in support of it.  The burden is clearly on you.  Where is this man?  The reason you are reluctant to back this up is that you fear that the story may not be true or may be unreliable in some way.

(iii). Not true.  It is all set out here and it is quite clear we are under house arrest, albeit with some latitude: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home 

You can't leave your home whenever you want.  You are under lockdown, which means you can only leave your home for permitted reasons set out in law.  Depending on circumstances, that could give you quite a lot of latitude and for many people, it may mean their lives aren't much different, but there are also restrictions on who you can meet when you are out and why.

Furthermore, when I am out the police can stop and question me and ask why I am out, and can potentially issue me with a fine or even arrest me if I cannot provide a satisfactory reason, something that resembles the behaviour of authority in a police state.

That makes you a prisoner.  The conditions you are now held under are house arrest and they apply until at least 8th. March.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 04, 2021, 03:04:PM
To be honest, I think you're barking mad. Have you actually thought through what you are saying here?

Yes, as I have pointed out.  From what I can tell, people over there feel reassured that such stringent measures are taken.  The implications are probably frightening for a lot of people - in the sense that a city of 2m people can be locked down because a single person 'tested positive' but didn't seem to pass it on to the people they had close contact with.  However, I am not the government or the shadow government.  Neither am I some rabid anti-lockdown protester, spitting droplets of Covid everywhere as I'm wrestled to the ground by state apparatus.  I don't take a binary view on these events tbh. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 04, 2021, 04:22:PM
Yes, as I have pointed out.  From what I can tell, people over there feel reassured that such stringent measures are taken.  The implications are probably frightening for a lot of people - in the sense that a city of 2m people can be locked down because a single person 'tested positive' but didn't seem to pass it on to the people they had close contact with.  However, I am not the government or the shadow government.  Neither am I some rabid anti-lockdown protester, spitting droplets of Covid everywhere as I'm wrestled to the ground by state apparatus.  I don't take a binary view on these events tbh.

If I told you that you cannot leave your house unless for specific reasons, that you must wear a face-covering whenever indoors in public spaces, that you cannot socialise or speak to anybody except your spouse, and all this because somebody somewhere has tested positive for a virus that produces an illness that 99% of people survive and that for most only leads to mild symptoms, if any, would you consider this reasonable?

I do take a binary view of such things.  I think it is outrageous. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 04, 2021, 04:45:PM
I wonder how many " conspiracy theorists " and " anti-vaxxers have died ??

iwould assume they have the same death rate as everybody anti vaxxers dont really dont really exist nobodys saying all vax are dangrous. just certan ones and the people saying it are mostly doctors working in the vacine industry i find ironic that people who work on making vaxs are called anti vax its bullshit pr word.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 04, 2021, 05:18:PM
If I told you that you cannot leave your house unless for specific reasons, that you must wear a face-covering whenever indoors in public spaces, that you cannot socialise or speak to anybody except your spouse, and all this because somebody somewhere has tested positive for a virus that produces an illness that 99% of people survive and that for most only leads to mild symptoms, if any, would you consider this reasonable?

I do take a binary view of such things.  I think it is outrageous.

I do see your points and they are weighed in my mind, along with other views. I've just been pumped full of nanotechnology myself about 45 mins ago. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on February 04, 2021, 05:58:PM


(ii). No.  You are the one making the claim and you have produced no evidence whatever in support of it.  The burden is clearly on you.  Where is this man?  The reason you are reluctant to back this up is that you fear that the story may not be true or may be unreliable in some way.



No. You asserted the claim was false thus the burden is on he who asserts, that being you. But to put the matter to rest.

His name was Don P Tice.

Here are screenshots from him with his name uncensored. Along with comments about his death from his local pub. 

https://i.imgur.com/NS5LzmR.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/NS5LzmR.jpg)

Here is the gofundme page setup by his family to cover his funeral expenses

https://www.gofundme.com/f/kfcbp-funeral-expenses-for-don-tice (https://www.gofundme.com/f/kfcbp-funeral-expenses-for-don-tice)

Here is his linkedin profile

https://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-tice-06118288 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-tice-06118288)

 :P  8)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 05, 2021, 08:48:AM
No. You asserted the claim was false thus the burden is on he who asserts, that being you. But to put the matter to rest.

His name was Don P Tice.

Here are screenshots from him with his name uncensored. Along with comments about his death from his local pub. 

https://i.imgur.com/NS5LzmR.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/NS5LzmR.jpg)

Here is the gofundme page setup by his family to cover his funeral expenses

https://www.gofundme.com/f/kfcbp-funeral-expenses-for-don-tice (https://www.gofundme.com/f/kfcbp-funeral-expenses-for-don-tice)

Here is his linkedin profile

https://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-tice-06118288 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-tice-06118288)

 :P  8)

You start by telling me that the burden is on me, then you give me the information I asked for.  Maybe you were reluctant because this Mr Tice died overweight at 77 years old and the links you provide don't say he died of Covid-19, only that he tested positive for it. 

I am willing to accept he died of Covid-19.  So what?  He was elderly and overweight, what do you expect?  He was going to soon die of something.  He had a full life, judging by the photographs of him on social media and what people say about him.  It's not a tragedy.  Should we shut down businesses and ruin people's lives so that he could have lived maybe a few months or years longer?

I honestly still don't see what point you are trying to make or how any of this justifies the measures being taken.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 05, 2021, 12:07:PM
I do see your points and they are weighed in my mind, along with other views. I've just been pumped full of nanotechnology myself about 45 mins ago.

I don't think you are seeing my points.  I don't mean that in an insulting or aggressive way, but I don't believe you've understood something quite fundamental.

I'll put this as a question to you:

Are you saying that there must be no Covid-19 cases and only then can civil liberties be restored?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 05, 2021, 06:54:PM
I don't think you are seeing my points.  I don't mean that in an insulting or aggressive way, but I don't believe you've understood something quite fundamental.

I'll put this as a question to you:

Are you saying that there must be no Covid-19 cases and only then can civil liberties be restored?
Well I'm open to the suggestion that the virus should be suppressed to a low level. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 05, 2021, 07:27:PM
Well I'm open to the suggestion that the virus should be suppressed to a low level. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day

Cases or positive tests?  They are two different things.  The problem with what has happened in Australia is that, as I understand it, they re-imposed a lockdown due to one positive test.  My point is that this implies the lockdowns and restrictions will be never-ending because the virus will never be eradicated.

The truth is that none of this was necessary in the first place, and it seems to me that more harm has been done than good.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 06, 2021, 12:44:PM
A pregnant conspiracy theorist is now struggling with Covid after saying it's a hoax. She's been ill since Sunday. I wish her and her unborn child well.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 06, 2021, 03:13:PM
A pregnant conspiracy theorist is now struggling with Covid after saying it's a hoax. She's been ill since Sunday. I wish her and her unborn child well.
This is how serious the virus is. I don't blame people for the civil liberties argument, though I wish they would keep their distance lest they become an inadvertent spreader. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nhs-worker-29-who-got-covid-while-pregnant-dies-after-giving-birth/ar-BB1dqLil?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 06, 2021, 06:44:PM
This is how serious the virus is. I don't blame people for the civil liberties argument, though I wish they would keep their distance lest they become an inadvertent spreader. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nhs-worker-29-who-got-covid-while-pregnant-dies-after-giving-birth/ar-BB1dqLil?ocid=msedgntp





So sad. It really is a devastating illness which has removed the civil liberties of thousands the way I see it
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 09:54:AM
A pregnant conspiracy theorist is now struggling with Covid after saying it's a hoax. She's been ill since Sunday. I wish her and her unborn child well.

She is pregnant, therefore she may be more vulnerable to infection than otherwise.

Personally I have never doubted that there is a virus and an illness and that people fall ill from it and die, etc.  I still don't believe it justifies infringements of civil liberties.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 09:57:AM
This is how serious the virus is. I don't blame people for the civil liberties argument, though I wish they would keep their distance lest they become an inadvertent spreader. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nhs-worker-29-who-got-covid-while-pregnant-dies-after-giving-birth/ar-BB1dqLil?ocid=msedgntp

When do you think our civil liberties should be restored?

So sad. It really is a devastating illness which has removed the civil liberties of thousands the way I see it

It's the government that has removed civil liberties, not the virus.  It is a choice that people have made on your behalf without consulting you and using slanted and biased information to justify it.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 10:13:AM
Since we're relying on mainstream media for our sources, I thought I'd leave you with this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232723/Scientists-NHS-chiefs-say-Covid-infections-drop-1-000-day-lockdown-lifted.html

I am assuming that 'infections' means 'cases'.  That being so, given that testing is being ramped up and becoming mandatory in most cases, could Steve, Lookout or David please tell us when they expect civil liberties to be restored?  Under what conditions will this happen?

Consider:

(i). The tests have a high false positive rate.
(ii). The virus itself is likely to become endemic.
(iii). No vaccine can provide absolute immunity.
(iv). The imposition of restrictions on civil liberties seems to have widespread support among the public.  It appears I am in the minority.  I am pretty much the only adult person in my town not wearing a mask.

This Lancet article from November is sceptical about the medium- to long-term efficacy of the vaccines in contributing to mass immunity: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32318-7/fulltext
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 07, 2021, 11:35:AM
QC, nobody is stopping you from jumping on a bus, travelling by tube, shopping in a supermarket, or even flying off somewhere. You're free to do all these things.
If you think your " civil liberties " are being suppressed why not go out and about, I'm sure you'll meet a like-minded group of people to share your grievances with. Covid likes groups and crowds---be my guest.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 12:31:PM
QC, nobody is stopping you from jumping on a bus, travelling by tube, shopping in a supermarket, or even flying off somewhere. You're free to do all these things.

No, I'm not free to do these things.  I think, like David, you need to brush up on the restrictions:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home

As matters stand, we remain under national lockdown (i.e. conditional house arrest) until 8th. March, and all the indications from the mainstream media and press are that this could well be extended.

If you think your " civil liberties " are being suppressed why not go out and about, I'm sure you'll meet a like-minded group of people to share your grievances with. Covid likes groups and crowds---be my guest.

I do go out and about, thank you.  I don't need your input or advice on that score and I don't require your guidance on what I should and should not do.  It is not the point, is it.  What I want from people like you is for you to stop supporting the state interfering in my ordinary liberties by threatening me with fines and arrest for doing so.  I consider it a matter of basic common sense and decency.  By going out and about, I risk being stopped and questioned and harassed by people in authority, and even fined a crippling sum if I cannot justify what I am doing.  That is fact. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 07, 2021, 02:26:PM
QC don't you think that this " house arrest " is in the interest of your health ?
If the government suddenly lifted restrictions for the sake of the economy and Sunak offered his reduced restaurant meals again---then you caught Covid, who would you blame ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 02:42:PM
QC don't you think that this " house arrest " is in the interest of your health ?
If the government suddenly lifted restrictions for the sake of the economy and Sunak offered his reduced restaurant meals again---then you caught Covid, who would you blame ?

I would blame nobody, for there is no-one to blame.  Don't you think I've been ill before?  Who do you think I blamed then?  No-one.  I certainly wouldn't blame the government.  I'm not somebody who seeks to blame other people for my problems anyway.  Of course government can take focused steps, through the health service and care homes, to mitigate the risks.  There is nothing wrong with that at all.  But that's not the same thing as locking down an entire country, which really is excessive and obnoxious.

Since you're a retired nurse, I assume you understand something about trade-offs when it comes to risk-based decision-making.  You will know that we can't eliminate risk entirely from our lives and that often, the best approach to risk reduction is focused measures that minimise unintended harms.  I am still relatively young, but I may die before my time.  I must accept this.  That's life.  What else is there to be said?  Life isn't fair.  If we start going down this road of trying to eliminate all risk and make everything safe, we just end up living under an authoritarian state with no meaningful lives. 

My health is my responsibility.  Similarly, I regard the health of my wife and children as my private responsibility.  The government is not responsible for me.  The role of government is to govern, nothing more.  Somewhat against that idea, I do agree with having an NHS, but only for pragmatic reasons.  It's not something I'm a fan of in principle, but it largely works reasonably well in practice and I see the argument for it.  I see the NHS as a service that I pay for through the tax system, pooling the risk with other taxpayers and those who can't pay - a sort of mandatory insurance system. 

The requirement that I pay tax to fund the NHS is a major infringement of civil liberty, but civil liberties don't exist in a vacuum and it is a condonable infringement because it provides to everybody something in return that is of tangible benefit and, in many cases, utterly essential.  I accept it.  But there is a line that I will not cross, which is the government assuming responsibility for my general day-to-day well-being as if I am a convicted offender in custody or somebody under secure psychiatric care, or similar.  That is a singular outrage and it is disproportionate to the risks and unnecessary.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 07, 2021, 03:17:PM
QC so your way would have been no lockdowns, no isolation, and carry on as you were ? Let the infection run rife and take pot luck.

We're not the only country that has been fining/ arresting people. We haven't been as strict as we could have been given the amount of people who've died. Flights were still continuing in and out while other places such as Australia closed their borders and forced dozens to isolate. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 03:43:PM
QC so your way would have been no lockdowns, no isolation, and carry on as you were ? Let the infection run rife and take pot luck.

No.  My approach would have been to focus measures on the most at-risk groups and leave everybody else alone. 

The government could have asked care homes, hospitals and supported living schemes to insist on face coverings and additional hygiene measures on their premises, if this was thought helpful.  They could have funded local authority marshals for areas with high concentrations of the elderly, such as supported living schemes, to offer help and support.  They could have re-opened some of the fever hospitals, some of which I believe are still within the NHS estate, and isolated Covid-19 patients for recuperation.  They could have placed reasonable restrictions on visits to hospitals and care homes, perhaps stopping daily visits for a while but allowing people to see their relatives weekly, and requiring adherence to public health and hygiene measures when on the premises.  I would have tried to keep all these measures voluntary rather than enforced in law.

The rest of the population could have been asked to isolate if infected, which most people would do anyway, and work from home if possible.  The government could have considered offering grants to businesses to purchase equipment and internet connections for home working.  Voluntary tests could have been made available at regional centres for anybody who wanted one, with the option of applying online or by telephone for home testing kits.

I would also have barred entry to anybody entering from China who is not a British citizen or permanent resident, as it appears that a region of China is the source of the virus. (I would review this position if new information were to arise suggesting otherwise).  I would have required quarantining of 15 days for any British citizen re-entering from China or who has been in China within 15 days of entry to Britain.  I would not place restrictions on other territories, even if they are at-risk, as that would quickly become impracticable. I would have worked with the travel industry and airlines to develop procedures to allow them to keep running within a quarantine regime for travellers returning from China and I would allow grants and subsidies as compensation for loss of business during the temporary border closure period.  I would generally re-institute a crackdown on border security across-the-board, and order the relevant border agencies to refuse entry to anybody not entering legally and immediately deport anybody found to have entered illegally. 

I would have considered asking the major sports bodies to postpone large crowd events for an initial period of 30 days in order to allow an assessment of the seriousness of the pandemic, with compensation for anybody who can prove they have been disadvantaged, should the sports bodies implement this request.

One or two of the above suggestions would involve temporary suspension of certain civil liberties, but these would be isolated measures of no or minimal impact for the vast majority of people.  The aim would be to reach a point of mass immunity within three months, or if that is not possible within a reasonable time frame, a point where the virus is endemic but with low virulence, morbidity and mortality rates.   
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 07, 2021, 04:11:PM
QC, the virus doesn't just pinpoint those who are most at risk as has-been proved. Some of the " stronger" haven't survived. There have been those in their 90's who've come through it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 05:02:PM
QC, the virus doesn't just pinpoint those who are most at risk as has-been proved. Some of the " stronger" haven't survived. There have been those in their 90's who've come through it.

The virus doesn't pinpoint those most vulnerable because it biologically can't, but the infection and illness overwhelmingly causes the most problems in the more vulnerable.  Yes, some otherwise young and healthy people have succumbed to the more serious symptoms or even died, but statistically the overwhelming majority of sufferers have been elderly or have co-morbidities.

Furthermore, many of the people who seem young and healthy will have hidden co-morbidities, such as asthma or a history of drug or alcohol abuse that suppresses their immune systems.

To be honest, I think we are going round in circles here.  I believe my position is quite moderate and reasonable.  You're the one who wants us all under house arrest.  The government view may align with yours, but you're still the extremist in this discussion. You and your friends here still haven't told me under what conditions we will have our civil liberties formally restored. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 07, 2021, 05:32:PM
The virus doesn't pinpoint those most vulnerable because it biologically can't, but the infection and illness overwhelmingly causes the most problems in the more vulnerable.  Yes, some otherwise young and healthy people have succumbed to the more serious symptoms or even died, but statistically the overwhelming majority of sufferers have been elderly or have co-morbidities.

Furthermore, many of the people who seem young and healthy will have hidden co-morbidities, such as asthma or a history of drug or alcohol abuse that suppresses their immune systems.

To be honest, I think we are going round in circles here.  I believe my position is quite moderate and reasonable.  You're the one who wants us all under house arrest.  The government view may align with yours, but you're still the extremist in this discussion. You and your friends here still haven't told me under what conditions we will have our civil liberties formally restored.
I did say I agreed with Jeremy Hunt: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day

Is there a need for a Plan B?: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19070586.uk-needs-plan-b-tackle-covid-19-pandemic-warns-jeremy-hunt/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 07, 2021, 05:50:PM
I did say I agreed with Jeremy Hunt: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day

Is there a need for a Plan B?: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19070586.uk-needs-plan-b-tackle-covid-19-pandemic-warns-jeremy-hunt/

This is what I said to you in response:

Cases or positive tests?  They are two different things.  The problem with what has happened in Australia is that, as I understand it, they re-imposed a lockdown due to one positive test.  My point is that this implies the lockdowns and restrictions will be never-ending because the virus will never be eradicated.

The truth is that none of this was necessary in the first place, and it seems to me that more harm has been done than good.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 08, 2021, 12:07:AM
Clearly we are not free to go where we like and do what we like:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-two-men-fined-10-000-each-for-breaking-lockdown-rules-after-mass-snowball-fight-in-leeds-12201436
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 08, 2021, 09:27:AM
I appreciate we don't know all the background to the incident, but surely none of this is necessary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPn5fsxbfgc

The description under the video states:

Quote
"The Cafe defied ‘COVID’ restrictions and fully opened up, with approximately 30 customers dining in at the time. The owner reportedly asked the police officers to leave the premises, only to be taken outside and physically attacked."
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 08, 2021, 10:52:AM
I appreciate we don't know all the background to the incident, but surely none of this is necessary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPn5fsxbfgc

The description under the video states:

Obviously I'm being slightly flippant here.. but they should have been baton charged.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 08, 2021, 11:01:AM
I don't think you are seeing my points.  I don't mean that in an insulting or aggressive way, but I don't believe you've understood something quite fundamental.

I'll put this as a question to you:

Are you saying that there must be no Covid-19 cases and only then can civil liberties be restored?

This is what I am saying: It's horses for courses.  If the majority of Perth's population feel reassured by stringent measures and if they deem their situation to have been successful (in terms of being insulated against virus cases; hospitalisations; and deaths) then I'm happy for them.  Demographics are different in different countries, regions and cities.  Some places have a more homogenous population, others a more diverse population.  Some cities and regions are relatively isolated, while others are teeming with populous.  Some are gateways to the world with multiple international transport hubs, while others may have one single airport.  Some may have well funded healthcare infrastructure while others may not.  Some may have more poverty and others more wealth etc.   I do not believe one size fits all - unless it can be demonstrated that a particular strategy has been successful in different places (some may argue it has already).
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 08, 2021, 11:04:AM
Obviously I'm being slightly flippant here.. but they should have been baton charged.

I agree, Roch.  The police should have been baton charged and removed from the area by the crowd, who should then have restored the normal rule of law and appointed new police constables who respect law.

Thanks Roch.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 08, 2021, 11:28:AM
This is what I am saying: It's horses for courses.  If the majority of Perth's population feel reassured by stringent measures and if they deem their situation to have been successful (in terms of being insulated against virus cases; hospitalisations; and deaths) then I'm happy for them.  Demographics are different in different countries, regions and cities.  Some places have a more homogenous population, others a more diverse population.  Some cities and regions are relatively isolated, while others are teeming with populous.  Some are gateways to the world with multiple international transport hubs, while others may have one single airport.  Some may have well funded healthcare infrastructure while others may not.  Some may have more poverty and others more wealth etc.   I do not believe one size fits all - unless it can be demonstrated that a particular strategy has been successful in different places (some may argue it has already).

Sorry, but I still don't think you're understanding me.  I know we're in Britain.  Perth is just an example.  In Perth, they are painting themselves into a corner.  The first point I am making is that if they can't tolerate any infections at all, then that means they are allowing to the state the indefinite power to recurrently place the public under house arrest.  That makes no sense, apart from it being an obnoxious infringement of basic civil liberties.  Civil liberty matters because without it we're just over-grown children without any moral agency or responsibility. 

We have to accept trade-offs when assessing and acting on risks.  You can't eliminate all risk.  There's a fair chance I might fall off a ladder, but that doesn't stop me cleaning the guttering at my house at the onset of spring.  There's a risk which I calculate and I take sensible mitigating measures, but I can't eliminate the risk.

David will jump in now and tell us that climbing a ladder is completely different to a pandemic.  He'll add a 'lol' to his post and go away thinking he's said something really clever and smart.  It's called an analogy, David.  We know it's not the same thing.  The point being made is that we can only mitigate risk, we can't eliminate risk.  The world isn't perfect.  There is a risk and danger, which is part of life and also is what makes life interesting.  My other choices are not to clean my guttering at all, or maybe find somebody else to do it.

In the matter of the pandemic, our choice is either to go back to normal life and behave like responsible adults in a relatively free society, perhaps with sensible voluntary measures and precautions now and again until the pandemic eases; or, leave normal life behind and live like the inmates of an open prison by creating an authoritarian health security state, just so that a tiny proportion of people who are elderly or unhealthy and who would have died anyway get to live a few months or years longer.  Our lives must now revolve around the needs of a tiny minority, not because they are at threat of a major imminent terrorist attack for which the risk is temporary, but because they want to put off their natural deaths and they hold the rest of us responsible for achieving this, even if that means we must give up living our own lives.

I have now put this question to you and others several times and not received a direct response.  You all change the subject.

At what point will you favour restoring civil liberties?

Steve did imply that it should be when we get below 1,000 cases a day, but I have asked him for further clarification.  Does he mean 1,000 positive tests or 1,000 infections or 1,000 hospital cases or what?  These are all slightly different things.  Perhaps somebody could tell me?  And why 1,000-a-day?  What is the significance of that figure, if any?

If you are telling me you want zero-Covid, then you are in effect telling me you want to live in a cabbage-stinking authoritarian police state.  That being so, we are at odds and we may well end up fighting a civil war on the streets over it.  Should that terrible eventuality arise, let us hope we can peacefully go our separate ways, so that you can carry on how you want and people like me can - finally - be left alone to live our lives.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 09, 2021, 02:43:PM
Is someone standing over you with a gun to your head or something, QC ? Because that's how you're making it look.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 09, 2021, 03:43:PM
Is someone standing over you with a gun to your head or something, QC ? Because that's how you're making it look.

Yes, they are.  I've proved it.  I've linked you to the national restrictions.  Have you read them?

I've given you links to news that snowball fights are now illegal.  I've been watching a video of a cafe owner in Manchester being punched by police officers for opening his business to the public.

I notice you're avoiding my question.  At what point should civil liberties be restored, in your view?



Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 09, 2021, 04:14:PM
Yes, they are.  I've proved it.  I've linked you to the national restrictions.  Have you read them?

I've given you links to news that snowball fights are now illegal.  I've been watching a video of a cafe owner in Manchester being punched by police officers for opening his business to the public.

I notice you're avoiding my question.  At what point should civil liberties be restored, in your view?




The man's cafe wouldn't exactly have been bustling with business would it ?
Then again, there are always those who are in-waiting to flout the rules whatever it might be.
Snowballing encourages groups- ( to be avoided ) How do you think these viruses spread otherwise ?

If you work from home I don't see a problem.
What would you be doing ( besides being here ) if you weren't under" house arrest?", that's making you so paranoid about civil liberties. ?

I would wait until the daily deaths reduced significantly before allowing life to return to near normal as right now when there are hundreds dying every day, civil liberties is the last thing you should be thinking about.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 09, 2021, 05:22:PM



The man's cafe wouldn't exactly have been bustling with business would it ?
Then again, there are always those who are in-waiting to flout the rules whatever it might be.
Snowballing encourages groups- ( to be avoided ) How do you think these viruses spread otherwise ?

If you work from home I don't see a problem.
What would you be doing ( besides being here ) if you weren't under" house arrest?", that's making you so paranoid about civil liberties. ?

I would wait until the daily deaths reduced significantly before allowing life to return to near normal as right now when there are hundreds dying every day, civil liberties is the last thing you should be thinking about.

Rest assured Lookout.  The attitude displayed by the enemy of the state known as 'QC' is being closely monitored. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 09, 2021, 05:32:PM
Rest assured Lookout.  The attitude displayed by the enemy of the state known as 'QC' is being closely monitored.

Citizen Roch 7462!  Yes, you citizen.  Stand up straight!  Our brave boys on the Malabar Front don't slouch!

Citizen Roch 7426, you have been warned before about fraternising with the notorious Chevalier, an enemy of the state.  You will now be visited by Grand Marshal Citizen David 1819, who will issue you with three LOLs and 12 emoticons!

Let this be the last time, citizen!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 09, 2021, 05:43:PM
Yes, they are.  I've proved it.  I've linked you to the national restrictions.  Have you read them?

I've given you links to news that snowball fights are now illegal.  I've been watching a video of a cafe owner in Manchester being punched by police officers for opening his business to the public.

I notice you're avoiding my question.  At what point should civil liberties be restored, in your view?
Such a shame these high-crime inner city areas, with GMP already found wanting. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/breaking-greater-manchester-police-placed-19478035
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 09, 2021, 05:45:PM



The man's cafe wouldn't exactly have been bustling with business would it ?
Then again, there are always those who are in-waiting to flout the rules whatever it might be.
Snowballing encourages groups- ( to be avoided ) How do you think these viruses spread otherwise ?

If you work from home I don't see a problem.
What would you be doing ( besides being here ) if you weren't under" house arrest?", that's making you so paranoid about civil liberties. ?

I would wait until the daily deaths reduced significantly before allowing life to return to near normal as right now when there are hundreds dying every day, civil liberties is the last thing you should be thinking about.

I am not working from home.  It's my business what I do.  I am continuing my life pretty much as normal. 

I have already shown quite clearly that you can't get your facts right about this.  I have provided you with links that demonstrate that we can't in law do as we like, as you claimed.  Now you say that you think we shouldn't do as we please, but you also think I'm being paranoid. 

You think I'm paranoid, but at the same time you demand that society be locked down for a mild illness.
The mortality rates are not greatly different from normal.  The people dying of this would most likely have died soon or already.  It's all unnecessary.  Can you be more specific about when we will have our civil liberties?  How many deaths-per-day will be acceptable to you? 100?  50?  20?  Or is the figure zero? 

The cafe referred to was bustling with business - normal people, not weirdos who demand that the entire country be locked down in house arrest.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 09, 2021, 05:53:PM
I am not working from home.  It's my business what I do.  I am continuing my life pretty much as normal. 

I have already shown quite clearly that you can't get your facts right about this.  I have provided you with links that demonstrate that we can't in law do as we like, as you claimed.  Now you say that you think we shouldn't do as we please, but you also think I'm being paranoid. 

You think I'm paranoid, but at the same time you demand that society be locked down for a mild illness.
The mortality rates are not greatly different from normal.  The people dying of this would most likely have died soon or already.  It's all unnecessary.  Can you be more specific about when we will have our civil liberties?  How many deaths-per-day will be acceptable to you? 100?  50?  20?  Or is the figure zero? 

The cafe referred to was bustling with business - normal people, not weirdos who demand that the entire country be locked down in house arrest.
But you can't have this cafe opening whilst Costa Coffee has to stay shut. Vaccinations should be offered to all, and once this has been attempted we should gradually open up the economy again.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 09, 2021, 06:08:PM
But you can't have this cafe opening whilst Costa Coffee has to stay shut. Vaccinations should be offered to all, and once this has been attempted we should gradually open up the economy again.

You can't be serious?  What Costa Coffee, a division of a major multi-national corporation, does is for Costa Coffee.  I'm talking about a small business owner who is trying to make a living.  If Costa Coffee want to open too, then the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

However, thank you for being the first person - after numerous attempts - to actually provide a specific and proper response to my question about when we should ease the restrictions (which I will assume is what you mean).  For the record, there is no way I will be accepting that vaccine, but as you say, let it be offered.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 09, 2021, 06:53:PM
Rest assured Lookout.  The attitude displayed by the enemy of the state known as 'QC' is being closely monitored.





I should hope so,Roch !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 09, 2021, 07:12:PM
I am not working from home.  It's my business what I do.  I am continuing my life pretty much as normal. 

I have already shown quite clearly that you can't get your facts right about this.  I have provided you with links that demonstrate that we can't in law do as we like, as you claimed.  Now you say that you think we shouldn't do as we please, but you also think I'm being paranoid. 

You think I'm paranoid, but at the same time you demand that society be locked down for a mild illness.
The mortality rates are not greatly different from normal.  The people dying of this would most likely have died soon or already.  It's all unnecessary.  Can you be more specific about when we will have our civil liberties?  How many deaths-per-day will be acceptable to you? 100?  50?  20?  Or is the figure zero? 

The cafe referred to was bustling with business - normal people, not weirdos who demand that the entire country be locked down in house arrest.




" Mild illness ?" Over 1,000 deaths today. Nearly 27,000 registered in-patients 2 days ago, and you call this mild ? You keep saying that these people would have died anyway---how do you know that ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 09, 2021, 07:14:PM
I am not working from home.  It's my business what I do.  I am continuing my life pretty much as normal. 

I have already shown quite clearly that you can't get your facts right about this.  I have provided you with links that demonstrate that we can't in law do as we like, as you claimed.  Now you say that you think we shouldn't do as we please, but you also think I'm being paranoid. 

You think I'm paranoid, but at the same time you demand that society be locked down for a mild illness.
The mortality rates are not greatly different from normal.  The people dying of this would most likely have died soon or already.  It's all unnecessary.  Can you be more specific about when we will have our civil liberties?  How many deaths-per-day will be acceptable to you? 100?  50?  20?  Or is the figure zero? 

The cafe referred to was bustling with business - normal people, not weirdos who demand that the entire country be locked down in house arrest.





If you're continuing your life as normal, why are you bleating on about civil liberties ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 10, 2021, 10:24:AM



" Mild illness ?" Over 1,000 deaths today. Nearly 27,000 registered in-patients 2 days ago, and you call this mild ? You keep saying that these people would have died anyway---how do you know that ?

What are the statistics for other causes of death, please?  How do these compare with averages in other years?

And how does the overall death rate compare with averages in other years?

And what are the hospitalisation, morbidity and mortality rates for Covid-19?

And are these figures susceptible to manipulation and exaggeration, and if so, in what ways?

Have you considered these questions?

You need to understand that you are debating this with somebody who has considered all these questions and examined the government's statistics.  My case is based on the government's own figures and I am telling you that locking down society is disproportionate to the risks involved. 

In even the worst case scenario, the survival rate for Covid-19 is in excess of 99%, and virtually everybody who dies of it is either elderly or has health problems, while those who suffer serious symptoms tend to fall into the same category.  I appreciate that a more relaxed approach would put strain on the NHS and other services, but it's a matter of understanding that all risk assessment involves trade-offs.  We can't live in a perfect world where nobody gets ill or sick or dies. 


If you're continuing your life as normal, why are you bleating on about civil liberties ?

Because civil liberties are important, both in principle and practice.  I've explained why already.  Do you actually read my posts?  Wars have been fought over civil liberty.  Only a startlingly ignorant person could question the importance of liberty to the individual and society.

Apart from that, your argument just seems fatuous.  It's like saying that I am free to break the speed limit until I get caught.  That's not any sort of freedom.  As a practical matter, every time I leave my house, I could be stopped and questioned by authority, which is plain harassment; and every time I leave my house for a non-permissible reason, I risk being arrested, fined, and ultimately imprisoned.

That means I am officially under house arrest.  That is literally what it means when you are not able to leave your house other than for a prescribed reason, and I would suggest that of all the people posting on this Forum, I should be an expert on the practical conditions for when somebody's liberty is constrained.  The law and officialdom may call it 'lockdown', but that's just euphemistic language.  I call it house arrest, because for all practical purposes, that is what it is. 

Furthermore, the national restrictions (for which I have given you the link), criminalise most forms of retail trading.  I am a sub-contractor.  My work involves visiting clients at sites and premises, like shops.  This means it interferes with my work in different ways.  It doesn't necessarily stop my work altogether, but the direction this is heading in is not good for anybody.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 10, 2021, 11:36:AM
Break down the figures of the deaths from the " usual " winter flu's, then see what you're left with.
We have, on average, around 35,000 deaths per year in this country during winter months.
We've had in excess of 100,000 deaths in a year, so why do you think that is  QC ?




Every other day I go shopping locally----haven't been stopped once ! I don't envisage being arrested either. Why do you think that is ? Probably because I don't go all out looking for trouble in the hope that I'll get caught and cause a scene-----because, shock/horror I've escaped out of " house arrest ".
I'm entitled to visit shops if I need food, the same as you are and anyone else. At least there are no restrictions on what you can purchase, when in the early 50's food was rationed and you were only allowed so much of any one thing-----they were restrictions, just after the war !

I have every sympathy for businesses being unable to operate, with staff losing jobs and the horrendous knock-on effect this causes. There's going to be some irreparable losses.

Should we have carried on without news bulletins that a virus was present ? Would it have made a difference ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 10, 2021, 12:15:PM
Break down the figures of the deaths from the " usual " winter flu's, then see what you're left with.
We have, on average, around 35,000 deaths per year in this country during winter months.
We've had in excess of 100,000 deaths in a year, so why do you think that is  QC ?

What is your source for these figures, please?  You have just said that there are 35,000 deaths in winter months on average, as if you think this should be a cause of alarm; then you say we had 100,000 deaths in a year (I assume you mean from Covid).  These are two sets of figure that relate to two different things.  What point are you trying to make?

Let's look at the 100,000 figure.  Taking it at face value, first, we need to be sure that the 100,000 deaths you refer to were caused by Covid-19.  We know, because the government admit it, that not all these deaths were caused by Covid-19, and I also know this because a close relative of mine died and had Covid-19 recorded on his death certificate as a 'secondary cause of death', which was bogus.  Probably most of them were just deaths of elderly and unhealthy people who died due to some other cause, but with a positive test for Covid-19.  In most of those cases, they would have died anyway.  What we need to know are the excess death figures.  What are they? 

Here is the government's own link on excess winter deaths:  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2019to2020provisionaland2018to2019final#:~:text=In%20England%2C%20there%20were%20an,%25%20among%20females%20(13%2C100).

When discussing excess winter deaths, we must remember that any percentage increases reflect excess mortality among the small subset among of the population who are elderly, vulnerable or unhealthy.  It's not generalised mortality and any conclusions about public health policy must reflect this fact.  We know from the above link that the mortality rates and morbidity rates are above the usual but still normal.  The figures don't justify a national lockdown and mandatory face coverings.

Many excess winter deaths can occur with or without official pandemics and have been seen in lots of years.  For instance, in the winter of 2017/18, we saw 50,100 excess deaths in England & Wales.  Here's the source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

Every other day I go shopping locally----haven't been stopped once ! I don't envisage being arrested either. Why do you think that is ? Probably because I don't go all out looking for trouble in the hope that I'll get caught and cause a scene-----because, shock/horror I've escaped out of " house arrest ".
I'm entitled to visit shops if I need food, the same as you are and anyone else. At least there are no restrictions on what you can purchase, when in the early 50's food was rationed and you were only allowed so much of any one thing-----they were restrictions, just after the war !

I have every sympathy for businesses being unable to operate, with staff losing jobs and the horrendous knock-on effect this causes. There's going to be some irreparable losses.

I am not going out looking for trouble.  Trouble comes to people who mind their own business because the police now have excessive powers.  Perhaps you have narrow life experience in this regard, and you may not be very imaginative, so it is difficult for you to grasp the point.

You are not entitled to visit shops if you need food.  That is your right.  It is also your right to leave your house and perambulate and go about your business for any other reason or no reason at all.  It's your right, not a mere entitlement.  It's not something that the state should be able to grant, regulate or take away, except under the most exceptional circumstances of imminent mortal danger, which do not apply here - the whole point I am making.  Of course, if you are elderly, you may consider yourself to be more at risk, and I sympathise with this to an extent, but have you considered the point that we can't run society around your needs?  Everybody has to fall ill and ultimately we all must die eventually.  Sorry.

Should we have carried on without news bulletins that a virus was present ? Would it have made a difference ?

Journalists should be free to report what they wish to report, but they should not be allowed to stir up hysteria, panic and alarm.  Reporting should be professional and accurate.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on February 10, 2021, 03:30:PM
I'd pay good money to see Lookout give QC the full hairdryer treatment on this. A proper piece of her mind. I suspect he would be chastened to say the least.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 10, 2021, 03:56:PM
I'd pay good money to see Lookout give QC the full hairdryer treatment on this. A proper piece of her mind. I suspect he would be chastened to say the least.

An announcement for all citizens!

First, our Gracious Leader extends his thanks to Citizen Roch 7462 for his support at this time of National Crisis by bravely reporting the whereabouts of the notorious State Enemy, Chevalier.  Citizen Roch 7462 is hereby rehabilitated and all LOLs and emoticons issued by the Grand Marshal are now withdrawn.

Our Gracious Leader also thanks Citizen Lookout 3333, for her sterling work in leading our citizen health education efforts.  In a debate with supporters of the notorious State Enemy, Chevalier, Citizen Lookout 3333 successfully exposed his evil arguments as lies and propaganda.  This was done to thunderous applause and acclamation from all present.  Our Glorious Leader will be awarding Citizen Lookout 3333 the State Service Medal at a ceremony later this year.  Congratulations Citizen!

Wondrous news citizens!  Our new safe vaccine booster will be rolled-out later this year, ensuring that all citizens are inoculated against all possible strains of the deadly Yellow Death.  Those citizens who refuse to take the vaccine will be spoken to by the Grand Covid Marshal.

Remember citizens: remain vigilant!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 11, 2021, 01:29:PM
Pretty much says it all really:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qje2mpTwiBc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 11, 2021, 03:45:PM
Autosuggestion.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 11, 2021, 05:45:PM
Autosuggestion.

Agreeing with what somebody says is not autosuggestion.  The term autosuggestion refers to something completely different.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 11, 2021, 07:25:PM
Agreeing with what somebody says is not autosuggestion.  The term autosuggestion refers to something completely different.





The speaker himself agrees with his own speech in the hope that he'll brainwash others to his way of thinking.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 11, 2021, 08:15:PM

The speaker himself agrees with his own speech in the hope that he'll brainwash others to his way of thinking.

The speaker makes an argument based on similar grounds to my own - proportionality and the harms caused by lockdowns and restrictions.  He is a Tory MP, thus his opposition to the current measures is worthy of note.  I don't agree with him on everything, but he's got the thrust of it right.

I'm not sure there's anything wrong with autosuggestion as a practice really, but the video is not an example of it, and autosuggestion is something different to brainwashing.  I'm not sure you understand the words you use and it's unclear what point you are trying to make. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 12, 2021, 09:35:AM




The speaker himself agrees with his own speech in the hope that he'll brainwash others to his way of thinking.
Hi Lookout, I totally feel sorry for anyone who has lost a loved one or friend to this awful pandemic.  But at the end of the day we’ve got to start living our life’s again, they’re not only moving the Goal Posts they’re removing them now, the Vaccine was going to be the game changer, yet, every time we hear of a new mutation of the virus which has mutated about 4000 times incidentally and will keep mutating, yet, its giving everyone excuse to push Lockdown further.  It’s something we’ve got to live with I’m afraid, I think personally once the over 50s and vulnerable have been vaccinated, society has got to be opened up, what more can a Country do?  I genuinely feel for the younger generation, the people it’s not directly affecting yet indirectly will affect later in life, meaning the cost and the lost education.  Crime victims who reported serious crime as far back as 2018 have had their cases pushed back three years, with no guarantee even this year of a trial,  the mental suffering is going to far outstrip the death rate I’m afraid.  People should be given a choice, people should be given hope or do we spend the rest of our lives locked up?  It isn’t going away I’m afraid Lookout.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 12, 2021, 05:41:PM
Hi Lookout, I totally feel sorry for anyone who has lost a loved one or friend to this awful pandemic.  But at the end of the day we’ve got to start living our life’s again, they’re not only moving the Goal Posts they’re removing them now, the Vaccine was going to be the game changer, yet, every time we hear of a new mutation of the virus which has mutated about 4000 times incidentally and will keep mutating, yet, its giving everyone excuse to push Lockdown further.  It’s something we’ve got to live with I’m afraid, I think personally once the over 50s and vulnerable have been vaccinated, society has got to be opened up, what more can a Country do?  I genuinely feel for the younger generation, the people it’s not directly affecting yet indirectly will affect later in life, meaning the cost and the lost education.  Crime victims who reported serious crime as far back as 2018 have had their cases pushed back three years, with no guarantee even this year of a trial,  the mental suffering is going to far outstrip the death rate I’m afraid.  People should be given a choice, people should be given hope or do we spend the rest of our lives locked up?  It isn’t going away I’m afraid Lookout.

I agree with almost everything you say here except the part in bold.  I do not believe lockdowns, face coverings or social/physical distancing were ever necessary in the first place.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 13, 2021, 10:41:AM
I agree with almost everything you say here except the part in bold.  I do not believe lockdowns, face coverings or social/physical distancing were ever necessary in the first place.
Thanks QC, I’m not saying I agree with them, I’m saying enough is enough, it’s something we’ve got to live with the same as we live with flu, It will not be eradicated like other diseases because it mutates often.  40% who caught COVID and were hospitalised in the first wave actually caught it in Hospital while having treatment for other illness.  Care home residents caught it from being brought into their environment, it’s these areas we need to get better at.  The vaccine is there for anyone who wants it, it’s not been forced on anyone, I will have it, if it’s only to protect the vulnerable I visit, hopefully it will offer some protection from me passing it on.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 13, 2021, 12:50:PM
Thanks QC, I’m not saying I agree with them, I’m saying enough is enough, it’s something we’ve got to live with the same as we live with flu, It will not be eradicated like other diseases because it mutates often.  40% who caught COVID and were hospitalised in the first wave actually caught it in Hospital while having treatment for other illness.  Care home residents caught it from being brought into their environment, it’s these areas we need to get better at.  The vaccine is there for anyone who wants it, it’s not been forced on anyone, I will have it, if it’s only to protect the vulnerable I visit, hopefully it will offer some protection from me passing it on.

It is obvious that there's a limit to what any government can do about this, and acknowledging this is important because it follows that there are trade-offs with civil liberties and the needs of normal economic life.  As you rightly say, we can't just stop living our lives.  It's not enough to suggest that people ignore the restrictions and take their chances.  If you go out for any reason, whether permitted or not, you can now be officially harassed.  If you go out for a non-permitted reason and this is detected, you can be fined a large amount and even go to prison if the fine isn't paid.  This has to stop.

I agree that the bulk of the infections will be in environments with a high viral load, such as hospitals and care homes.  One of my own close relatives caught it in hospital but died of something else.  They wrote up his death certificate with Covid-19 as a secondary cause of death, which seems very dubious.

Another statistic I have come across is that the ONS data says that six in 10 deaths from or with Covid-19 were people with a self-reported disability.  Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbydisabilitystatusenglandandwales/24januaryto20november2020

That's very sad for the people involved, but locking down society and inconveniencing everybody is not a practicable response to all this and does more harm than good.  it does stand to reason that people with physical vulnerabilities and suppressed immune systems will be the first in line to contract infections and die.  If vulnerable people need to isolate for a while until there is mass immunity in the community, then they should do so and people should support them.  Why wasn't that the response of the government back in late winter 2020?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 13, 2021, 12:54:PM
Hi RJ. I completely agree that a good percentage of Covid was contracted from hospitals as the back end of 2019 everyone had returned from holidays that year and come winter, people were already visiting hospitals, some routinely some with the usual winter illnesses.

I had the misfortune of spending a few hours in resus a week before Christmas of 2019 with an A/fib episode which I'm kept under observation until the problem stabilises, sometimes with treatment, sometimes without and while I was there a lot of coughing was going on among those who were either already present or among those who'd been brought in. I remember covering my nose and mouth with a few tissues---which in the coming week proved useless at the time as the " bug " was already in the air.

There was a sudden panic around me and staff were donning masks, gloves and plastic aprons. 2 ladies opposite were in a bad way, coughing and breathless and couldn't speak English as one of them hadn't registered herself into the hospital, accompanying the other. They had flown in from Pakistan to be with their families for Christmas. I was hurriedly moved from the bay that I was in to a more open area within the assessment unit and it just sounded as though everyone was coughing. I was glad to get out !
 
After being discharged 6 hours or so later, and just after Christmas, I became ill and rang my daughter not to come near, that I had everything I wanted and what I had was no ordinary 'flu, so she must keep away until I'm better---which she did. I was gasping for breath from an open bedroom window and thought I was choking, but kept calm. Never had a cough in all my 80 years ! Sats. in hospital were 98%.

However once the cough had gone I still felt seedy and had to cancel a follow-up appointment with the GP after my few hours in hospital. It took until June of last year before I felt " normal ", it knocked the stuffing out of me. I'm a fairly strong person and realised later that anyone with a weak resistance would be finished. Never did go to the GP and it's coming up to 5 years since I've seen her !

It wouldn't worry me to wear a mask in shops, where there are crowds etc. during winter months when colds/ 'flu is prevalent. It's going to be the only way to stop germs from entering the lungs, that and annual vaccinations for all----to help the overstretched NHS. I wouldn't wish what I had on anyone !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 13, 2021, 12:59:PM
It is obvious that there's a limit to what any government can do about this, and acknowledging this is important because it follows that there are trade-offs with civil liberties and the needs of normal economic life.  As you rightly say, we can't just stop living our lives.  It's not enough to suggest that people ignore the restrictions and take their chances.  If you go out for any reason, whether permitted or not, you can now be officially harassed.  If you go out for a non-permitted reason and this is detected, you can be fined a large amount and even go to prison if the fine isn't paid.  This has to stop.

I agree that the bulk of the infections will be in environments with a high viral load, such as hospitals and care homes.  One of my own close relatives caught it in hospital but died of something else.  They wrote up his death certificate with Covid-19 as a secondary cause of death, which seems very dubious.

Another statistic I have come across is that the ONS data says that six in 10 deaths from or with Covid-19 were people with a self-reported disability.  Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbydisabilitystatusenglandandwales/24januaryto20november2020

That's very sad for the people involved, but locking down society and inconveniencing everybody is not a practicable response to all this and does more harm than good.  it does stand to reason that people with physical vulnerabilities and suppressed immune systems will be the first in line to contract infections and die.  If vulnerable people need to isolate for a while until there is mass immunity in the community, then they should do so and people should support them.  Why wasn't that the response of the government back in late winter 2020?
Very good post 100% agree with this, especially this part

If vulnerable people need to isolate for a while until there is mass immunity in the community, then they should do so and people should support them.  Why wasn't that the response of the government back in late winter 2020?

I think the Hospitals have passed a lot off as COVID, no one is questioning it. It seems strange that we’ve got such a high death rate compared to other Countries.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 13, 2021, 01:17:PM
Hi RJ. I completely agree that a good percentage of Covid was contracted from hospitals as the back end of 2019 everyone had returned from holidays that year and come winter, people were already visiting hospitals, some routinely some with the usual winter illnesses.

I had the misfortune of spending a few hours in resus a week before Christmas of 2019 with an A/fib episode which I'm kept under observation until the problem stabilises, sometimes with treatment, sometimes without and while I was there a lot of coughing was going on among those who were either already present or among those who'd been brought in. I remember covering my nose and mouth with a few tissues---which in the coming week proved useless at the time as the " bug " was already in the air.

There was a sudden panic around me and staff were donning masks, gloves and plastic aprons. 2 ladies opposite were in a bad way, coughing and breathless and couldn't speak English as one of them hadn't registered herself into the hospital, accompanying the other. They had flown in from Pakistan to be with their families for Christmas. I was hurriedly moved from the bay that I was in to a more open area within the assessment unit and it just sounded as though everyone was coughing. I was glad to get out !
 
After being discharged 6 hours or so later, and just after Christmas, I became ill and rang my daughter not to come near, that I had everything I wanted and what I had was no ordinary 'flu, so she must keep away until I'm better---which she did. I was gasping for breath from an open bedroom window and thought I was choking, but kept calm. Never had a cough in all my 80 years ! Sats. in hospital were 98%.

However once the cough had gone I still felt seedy and had to cancel a follow-up appointment with the GP after my few hours in hospital. It took until June of last year before I felt " normal ", it knocked the stuffing out of me. I'm a fairly strong person and realised later that anyone with a weak resistance would be finished. Never did go to the GP and it's coming up to 5 years since I've seen her !

It wouldn't worry me to wear a mask in shops, where there are crowds etc. during winter months when colds/ 'flu is prevalent. It's going to be the only way to stop germs from entering the lungs, that and annual vaccinations for all----to help the overstretched NHS. I wouldn't wish what I had on anyone !
Hi Lookout I’ve often thought of you, especially during the scare in Merseyside when numbers rocketed and I must say I was pleased to see you posting again.  I do believe it’s a terrible illness for some, like QC said especially those with underlying health conditions.  It looks like the vaccination is helping especially with the encouraging latest data
Is this finally proof the vaccine is working in Britain? Covid deaths among over-85s plummet by 41% - almost twice as fast as un-vaccinated people over-65s - as new figures show just 1% of people have refused to get the jab.

I honestly think we should have thrown everything and the Billions it’s cost in protecting the vulnerable and let society open up, it was plain to see from early on who was at risk, the reports were coming in straight away the number of deaths ect nearly all  with underlying conditions.  Really glad your ok Lookout, I think it’s going to take more than a Chinese virus (as Trump calls it) to knock you back.
 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 13, 2021, 01:22:PM
Hi RJ. I completely agree that a good percentage of Covid was contracted from hospitals as the back end of 2019 everyone had returned from holidays that year and come winter, people were already visiting hospitals, some routinely some with the usual winter illnesses.

I had the misfortune of spending a few hours in resus a week before Christmas of 2019 with an A/fib episode which I'm kept under observation until the problem stabilises, sometimes with treatment, sometimes without and while I was there a lot of coughing was going on among those who were either already present or among those who'd been brought in. I remember covering my nose and mouth with a few tissues---which in the coming week proved useless at the time as the " bug " was already in the air.

There was a sudden panic around me and staff were donning masks, gloves and plastic aprons. 2 ladies opposite were in a bad way, coughing and breathless and couldn't speak English as one of them hadn't registered herself into the hospital, accompanying the other. They had flown in from Pakistan to be with their families for Christmas. I was hurriedly moved from the bay that I was in to a more open area within the assessment unit and it just sounded as though everyone was coughing. I was glad to get out !
 
After being discharged 6 hours or so later, and just after Christmas, I became ill and rang my daughter not to come near, that I had everything I wanted and what I had was no ordinary 'flu, so she must keep away until I'm better---which she did. I was gasping for breath from an open bedroom window and thought I was choking, but kept calm. Never had a cough in all my 80 years ! Sats. in hospital were 98%.

However once the cough had gone I still felt seedy and had to cancel a follow-up appointment with the GP after my few hours in hospital. It took until June of last year before I felt " normal ", it knocked the stuffing out of me. I'm a fairly strong person and realised later that anyone with a weak resistance would be finished. Never did go to the GP and it's coming up to 5 years since I've seen her !

It wouldn't worry me to wear a mask in shops, where there are crowds etc. during winter months when colds/ 'flu is prevalent. It's going to be the only way to stop germs from entering the lungs, that and annual vaccinations for all----to help the overstretched NHS. I wouldn't wish what I had on anyone !

All I will say to this is that I am just glad you are safe and still with us.  Thank goodness.  May you be with us many more years.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 13, 2021, 07:03:PM
So many thanks from both of you, RJ and QC. Glad to say I've been fine and have obviously kept within my limitations of being out and about---for shopping only, as even after my first vaccination, I won't tempt fate.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 20, 2021, 08:07:AM
It is obvious that there's a limit to what any government can do about this, and acknowledging this is important because it follows that there are trade-offs with civil liberties and the needs of normal economic life.  As you rightly say, we can't just stop living our lives.  It's not enough to suggest that people ignore the restrictions and take their chances.  If you go out for any reason, whether permitted or not, you can now be officially harassed.  If you go out for a non-permitted reason and this is detected, you can be fined a large amount and even go to prison if the fine isn't paid.  This has to stop.

I agree that the bulk of the infections will be in environments with a high viral load, such as hospitals and care homes.  One of my own close relatives caught it in hospital but died of something else.  They wrote up his death certificate with Covid-19 as a secondary cause of death, which seems very dubious.

Another statistic I have come across is that the ONS data says that six in 10 deaths from or with Covid-19 were people with a self-reported disability.  Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbydisabilitystatusenglandandwales/24januaryto20november2020

That's very sad for the people involved, but locking down society and inconveniencing everybody is not a practicable response to all this and does more harm than good.  it does stand to reason that people with physical vulnerabilities and suppressed immune systems will be the first in line to contract infections and die.  If vulnerable people need to isolate for a while until there is mass immunity in the community, then they should do so and people should support them.  Why wasn't that the response of the government back in late winter 2020?
I think this story backs up a lot of what we’re saying?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9279767/BEL-MOONEY-dad-died-chronic-illness-hes-officially-Covid-victim.html

Ive thought this for quite a while, how come we have or supposed to have one of the best Health Care Systems in the world, yet our death rate in COVID is so high, it’s down to the fact Doctors have been given the Licence to put Covid on the death certificate without any proof.  Doing this is distorting the actual death rate of Covid, it takes pressure off Hospitals or care homes because no one is accountable for any death, it just goes down as Covid, no one questions it then. So  you then have to question the  40% who got hospitalised in the first phase who actually caught it in Hospital while they were admitted for some other illness, could it be they  were signed off as Covid and probably died of something else.  Was they tested for Flu, Flu seems to be a thing of the past.



Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 20, 2021, 11:41:AM
I think this story backs up a lot of what we’re saying?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9279767/BEL-MOONEY-dad-died-chronic-illness-hes-officially-Covid-victim.html

Ive thought this for quite a while, how come we have or supposed to have one of the best Health Care Systems in the world, yet our death rate in COVID is so high, it’s down to the fact Doctors have been given the Licence to put Covid on the death certificate without any proof.  Doing this is distorting the actual death rate of Covid, it takes pressure off Hospitals or care homes because no one is accountable for any death, it just goes down as Covid, no one questions it then. So  you then have to question the  40% who got hospitalised in the first phase who actually caught it in Hospital while they were admitted for some other illness, could it be they  were signed off as Covid and probably died of something else.  Was they tested for Flu, Flu seems to be a thing of the past.

I may comment in more depth at some point.  I have some Lancet articles that are of interest in this regard and I have also been crunching numbers from the ONS site. 

For now, I will say: totally agree 100%.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 20, 2021, 12:14:PM
I may comment in more depth at some point.  I have some Lancet articles that are of interest in this regard and I have also been crunching numbers from the ONS site. 

For now, I will say: totally agree 100%.
I know it seems a bit far fetched, but at the end of the day it has given people a licence to kill.  Anyone who tested positive for Covid (Especially the elderly or with conditions) with a positive test result at hand, could be poisoned by someone else and it would go down as Covid? 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 20, 2021, 01:15:PM
I may comment in more depth at some point.  I have some Lancet articles that are of interest in this regard and I have also been crunching numbers from the ONS site. 

For now, I will say: totally agree 100%.
I think the more you look into it QC it’s shocking, the stories I’ve been reading are quite scary, it’s allowing Hospitals and the Government to doctor their death rate figures of other Illnesses.
Its quite frightening that just one GP is now allowed to sign death certificates based on assumptions, Harold Shipman would have had a field day.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 20, 2021, 01:30:PM
I would doubt that there have been post-mortems on 120,000.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 20, 2021, 02:49:PM
I think the more you look into it QC it’s shocking, the stories I’ve been reading are quite scary, it’s allowing Hospitals and the Government to doctor their death rate figures of other Illnesses.
Its quite frightening that just one GP is now allowed to sign death certificates based on assumptions, Harold Shipman would have had a field day.

I think there are three factors at work:

(i). What are known as Probable Hospital-Acquired Infections ('PHAIs'), which represents the 'genuine' part of the pandemic, though it's not clear whether those who suffer symptoms actually have Covid-19 or something else.

(ii). Testing practices.  These may be flawed and there may be financial interests involved.  I don't mention anything about that here, but may cover it another time.

(iii). Death-recording practices on the part of medical professionals, which is one of the more dubious aspects of it.

This article includes reference to studies concerning PHAIs:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ongoing-problem-of-hospital-acquired-infections-across-the-uk/

One thing that stands out is that the death rate is quite high for these.  For instance, it's claimed that inquiries into hospitals in Tameside and Bristol found a 30% fatality rate.

I suspect this is because the virulence of the contracted virus in those environments is much higher and patients are immunosuppressed, so the illness is more lethal. 

Some useful reading:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(20)30164-X/fulltext

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30458-8.pdf

The suspicion has to be that some of the phenomenon you mention is down to clinical staff themselves being infected in ICU and other units, and then re-infecting anybody they come into contact with, including patients.  In other words, the transmission is nosocomial.  Many of the clinical staff who are infected themselves don't necessarily suffer much or at all because they may be otherwise fit and healthy (albeit stressed) and they are presumably also wearing PPE.  Patients are however already ill or injured and immunosuppressed, so suffer and a high percentage die.

However, this study in the Netherlands found against a nosocomial transmission theory:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30527-2/fulltext

I can't find anything in Lancet on death recording practices and how this might have changed during the pandemic, but my suspicion is that inaccurate, sloppy or fraudulent death recording will account for a lot of the infections during hospitalisation - quite simply, as you say, labelling of illnesses as Covid-19, in effect using Covid-19 as the umbrella term, and just simple confirmation bias.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 20, 2021, 03:38:PM
BMJ article about HPAIs that cites figures that back up what RJ says above:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n70

From the article:

Quote
On 18 December a Health Service Journal analysis of NHS England data found that around one in four covid cases was probably caught by hospital inpatients initially admitted for other reasons.3 The rates were over one in three in some hospitals and had risen by 35% in one week. Given the high rate of false negative or first negative tests, we might quibble at the definition (patients testing positive more than eight days into admission), but that definition hasn’t changed even as cases have risen.

Worryingly, on 16 December the HSJ also reported a study by doctors in northwest England, showing “major deficiencies” in compliance with Public Health England’s guidance on good practice in preventing nosocomial covid-19 transmission.4 Failings included routine allocation of patients to beds before negative tests were confirmed, not testing clinical staff regularly, and not using protective screens between patients. Remember: the HSIB, while sympathetic to staff and the conditions they worked in, hadn’t pulled any punches about some basic failings in adherence to best infection control practice.

Another BMJ article from May 2020 about the possible causes of HPAIs in UK hospitals:

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2013

That article notes that NHS staff were only being tested if they developed symptoms, which could have meant that staff were themselves vectors for HPAIs.

Another BMJ article from around the same time:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/05/20/we-need-reliable-data-on-hospital-acquired-covid-19/

It was still a concern by November 2020, with a critical report into HPAIs by the Healthcare Safety Investigation Branch (HSIB):

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4306 

My further thought on this:

Hospitals will be locations for concentrated viral loads, which may lead to a 'worst of all worlds' environment in which high-virulence infections develop in ill or injured and elderly or other vulnerable immunosuppressed individuals.  Is it possible to conclude tentatively that the majority of fatalities and morbidities attributable to Covid-19 are caused by, or aggravated by, hospitalisation?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 23, 2021, 09:53:AM
“Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything—you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”
Robert A. Heinlein, Revolt in 2100 (1953)

"The capacity of the human mind for swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed."
Robert A. Heinlein, Revolt in 2100 (1953), postscript
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 23, 2021, 05:40:PM
" Here to reclaim your right to freedom of speech ". Laurence Fox. The R E C L A I M  party.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 25, 2021, 09:22:PM
oh god the met are scum https://youtu.be/8F3AqoIgjAc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 25, 2021, 11:33:PM
oh god the met are scum https://youtu.be/8F3AqoIgjAc

Police state whores.  All of them who support this. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 26, 2021, 06:04:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-2CrEZ27k0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_phone_call_scam
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 26, 2021, 10:17:PM
What IS the truth about Covid deaths? Grieving relatives along with MPs and top medics demand inquiry as families reveal loved ones have been wrongly certified as virus victims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9305405/Grieving-relatives-demand-inquiry-loved-ones-wrongly-certified-virus-victims.html


You just knew it was going to come, I personally think it’s a massive own goal by the Government and the way the NHS has reported it’s death!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 26, 2021, 11:08:PM
What IS the truth about Covid deaths? Grieving relatives along with MPs and top medics demand inquiry as families reveal loved ones have been wrongly certified as virus victims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9305405/Grieving-relatives-demand-inquiry-loved-ones-wrongly-certified-virus-victims.html


You just knew it was going to come, I personally think it’s a massive own goal by the Government and the way the NHS has reported it’s death!
Doctors are human beings too and make mistakes, all the more so if they never knew the patient, haven't examined the corpse but are going off medical notes. I know only too well how bereavement can affect emotions and I would urge relatives in their position to exercise a degree of restraint. A changed death certificate won't bring your loved one back.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on February 27, 2021, 07:57:AM
Doctors are human beings too and make mistakes, all the more so if they never knew the patient, haven't examined the corpse but are going off medical notes. I know only too well how bereavement can affect emotions and I would urge relatives in their position to exercise a degree of restraint. A changed death certificate won't bring your loved one back.
Steve your missing the point, of course every death matters and I don’t think there is anyone that hasn’t suffered emotions from bereavement.  But it’s an easy cop out for trusts and Doctors, because it takes the onus off them to how well the patient has been treat and how well that trust has done.  Take for example, if my Father goes in hospital and dies of COPD and they put it down to COVID-19 it takes the statistic away and distorts the figures of people dying from COPD. This could then lead to distorted figures of this illness meaning less investment and treatments. A changed death certificate doesn’t bring anyone back your right, but a true death certificate lets you know if your parent has died from anything that might be Hereditary.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 27, 2021, 12:24:PM
Steve your missing the point,

He does that quite a lot.

The statistics in the below link, deaths in England, speak for themselves.  Even if we accept that all of these deaths were due to Covid-19 (they weren't, but let's adopt that premise), that means just over 82% of deaths were of people aged 60 or over.

This is overwhelmingly an illness of the old and elderly.  Obviously, everything possible should be done to mitigate its effects, but the measures over the last year have been totally out-of-proportion to the risks for the majority of the population.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/02/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-26-February-2021.xlsx
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on February 27, 2021, 01:25:PM
I was only making the point that in the current circumstances where GPs may not be physically examining their patients there will be misdiagnoses. It's a shame that a member felt the need to broaden this point to other threads, which are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 27, 2021, 01:37:PM
I was only making the point that in the current circumstances where GPs may not be physically examining their patients there will be misdiagnoses. It's a shame that a member felt the need to broaden this point to other threads, which are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Sorry but I disagree.  Covid-19 has to be tested for.  What is clearly happening is that people are being tested over and over again until they register a positive result - which will very often be a false positive or, if genuine, a nosocomial infection - and when that patient subsequent dies, the GP is lazily (and in some cases, with malign intent) recording the death as Covid-19, either as the primary or secondary cause of death.  There is no excuse for this.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on February 28, 2021, 02:27:PM
Well I think it suits him:

https://twitter.com/Love_Nature2020/status/1365727117703589888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1365727117703589888%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.davidicke.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FLove_Nature2020%2Fstatus%2F1365727117703589888%3Fs%3D20
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 28, 2021, 05:48:PM
khans got to go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxhuLbvcs9s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 28, 2021, 08:51:PM
Well I think it suits him:

https://twitter.com/Love_Nature2020/status/1365727117703589888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1365727117703589888%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.davidicke.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FLove_Nature2020%2Fstatus%2F1365727117703589888%3Fs%3D20





That was so funny.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 28, 2021, 09:14:PM
oh deare i dont know they are going to get out of this. https://youtu.be/5yxRvg83Q8U
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 01, 2021, 01:17:PM
It really does make you wonder.

I was in France during one of the worst heatwaves that they had in August 2003 and it had been reported that there were 1500-3,000 deaths. A more accurate figure given by an undertaker was 10,000.
 Deaths had been reported by drownings in those who'd gone into rivers/ sea  to cool down and by dehydration, though in the main, it was the elderly.

 -----Deaths weren't blamed directly on the heatwave, but the human drama linked to hit the weakest in society, the health minister had said.------

I must say that I enjoyed the 40 degree heat at the time and I was no chicken  ;D Spent that weekend in Disneyland with grand-daughter.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on March 02, 2021, 11:45:AM
Sorry but I disagree.  Covid-19 has to be tested for.  What is clearly happening is that people are being tested over and over again until they register a positive result - which will very often be a false positive or, if genuine, a nosocomial infection - and when that patient subsequent dies, the GP is lazily (and in some cases, with malign intent) recording the death as Covid-19, either as the primary or secondary cause of death.  There is no excuse for this.
I don’t get how people think the GP is being overworked, they don’t see any Covid-19 patients, even if you’ve got a cough.  I phoned the GP up this morning (I’ve got an ear infection);and unbeknown to me you have to go online and tell them what’s up with you, so I was sent from the phone to go online, when I put in what was up with me, it said ring your GP or 111 🙈 I then rang the same woman back and I was put at the back of a queue and told I will receive a telephone call.  Seems all diagnosis is going to be done over the phone from now on even deaths?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 02, 2021, 02:35:PM
That's not right is it RJ ? As with ear infections things can turn nasty unless treated straight away. Ordinarily if you'd seen the GP he/ she would have done an examination to see what was going on then given you the appropriate prescription which would have cleared it up within days.
Personally I dread anything going wrong in case I can't get hold of anyone so I'm willing myself to remain well as I expect the same or similar reception here as you got.
I hope you get sorted.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 02, 2021, 03:33:PM
I don’t get how people think the GP is being overworked, they don’t see any Covid-19 patients, even if you’ve got a cough.  I phoned the GP up this morning (I’ve got an ear infection);and unbeknown to me you have to go online and tell them what’s up with you, so I was sent from the phone to go online, when I put in what was up with me, it said ring your GP or 111 🙈 I then rang the same woman back and I was put at the back of a queue and told I will receive a telephone call.  Seems all diagnosis is going to be done over the phone from now on even deaths?

RJ,

Pardon me if you've already thought of these, but in case you haven't, my suggestion would be to look to see if there are any urgent/acute treatment centres locally (sometimes called minor injury units).  They will look at you and give you a prescription.  I mention this because a lot of people are completely unaware of their existence, but they are incredibly useful.

I am lucky in that there is such a unit within reasonable walking distance of me, it's open 24/7, and it's staffed by a very good NHS doctor and nurse, which pretty much means I have little need for a GP.  I've had to call on this service several times over the last ten or so years for infections, and while there is a bit of waiting around, I cannot fault the service.

Finally, as a precaution, I have a private GP, which means that if and when anything non-acute arises, I can go there.  Appointments are expensive, about £70.00 to £100.00 a time, and I have to travel about 20 miles to reach it as I'm out in the sticks, but it works for me as a backup because I know it's there if I ever need to go and I know I won't be having to wait for an appointment.

I think it's about 15 years since I last consulted an NHS GP for anything.  My experience of NHS GPs has been mixed.  They always know what they are talking about, and some have a drop-in session in the early mornings, which avoids the issue of having to book an appointment - as long as you are willing to wait.  However, about 15 or so years ago it became clear to me that GP services were collapsing under the weight of patient numbers; and, another issue I had with it was the lack of privacy and the feeling that I was just a 'number' rather than a patient-client - though, again, I stress that I had no issue with the competence of doctors.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on March 02, 2021, 06:54:PM
That's not right is it RJ ? As with ear infections things can turn nasty unless treated straight away. Ordinarily if you'd seen the GP he/ she would have done an examination to see what was going on then given you the appropriate prescription which would have cleared it up within days.
Personally I dread anything going wrong in case I can't get hold of anyone so I'm willing myself to remain well as I expect the same or similar reception here as you got.
I hope you get sorted.
Thanks Lookout, I finally got a call at 16.15 today and after taking paracetamol all day and naproxen I got the pain under control, she rang and asked what the pain was like and I told her, she asked about discharge ect, in the end I’ve got to put olive oil in my ear for a few days and if it’s no better to ring back.  I’ve had perforated ears and industrial deafness through working in the mines, she thinks a wax build up is pressing on my drum and not an infection?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on March 02, 2021, 07:07:PM
RJ,

Pardon me if you've already thought of these, but in case you haven't, my suggestion would be to look to see if there are any urgent/acute treatment centres locally (sometimes called minor injury units).  They will look at you and give you a prescription.  I mention this because a lot of people are completely unaware of their existence, but they are incredibly useful.

I am lucky in that there is such a unit within reasonable walking distance of me, it's open 24/7, and it's staffed by a very good NHS doctor and nurse, which pretty much means I have little need for a GP.  I've had to call on this service several times over the last ten or so years for infections, and while there is a bit of waiting around, I cannot fault the service.

Finally, as a precaution, I have a private GP, which means that if and when anything non-acute arises, I can go there.  Appointments are expensive, about £70.00 to £100.00 a time, and I have to travel about 20 miles to reach it as I'm out in the sticks, but it works for me as a backup because I know it's there if I ever need to go and I know I won't be having to wait for an appointment.

I think it's about 15 years since I last consulted an NHS GP for anything.  My experience of NHS GPs has been mixed.  They always know what they are talking about, and some have a drop-in session in the early mornings, which avoids the issue of having to book an appointment - as long as you are willing to wait.  However, about 15 or so years ago it became clear to me that GP services were collapsing under the weight of patient numbers; and, another issue I had with it was the lack of privacy and the feeling that I was just a 'number' rather than a patient-client - though, again, I stress that I had no issue with the competence of doctors.
Cheers QC, I don’t think we’ve got one around here, when I lived in Colchester I’ve used that a few times and I think that was one of the first places I knew to have one.  I think Covid is sending GPs service into what they’ve always wanted, visiting them will be a thing of the past it’s going to be online consultations from now on.  The telephone message from reception quite simply says to go online and put in what’s wrong with you and then they’ll get back in touch.   

I think your right about patient number, you never see the same Dr and you end up going through the same thing every time with every Dr, if I’m asked to fill a form in and it says who is my Dr, I haven’t a clue who my Dr is now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 05, 2021, 06:41:PM
It's good that the police are getting their priorities right...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2lj2bWqhM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 05, 2021, 08:40:PM
Typical  ::) Do as I say not as I do.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 07, 2021, 12:14:AM
khan seems to be doing it all his political opnents now.

https://t.co/vf0EQB1OoK?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 11, 2021, 08:01:PM
Who to believe? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56357760
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 11, 2021, 08:27:PM
I offer you one word:

Thalidomide.

I know this is simplistic, but unless I was terminally-ill or otherwise desperate, I would never accept a drug or medical intervention that has not been tried-and-tested over very many years. 

Ultimately, medicine, virology and pharmacology are empirical disciplines.  The whole corpus of Western medicine is essentially one long experiment with humans and animals.  It doesn't matter how clever the scientist or practitioner is, you just never know what will happen until the treatment is tried and then replicated and tried on others and then the effects observed over at least several years, if not longer.  Some drug trial regimes can last 10 or 15 years before market release.

The simple fact is that these vaccines have not been rigorously trialled across large test groups, and one of the vaccines (I think it's the Moderna one) involves an innovative treatment that has never been tried before.

No thanks...
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 12, 2021, 11:23:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8bowkL9-Y
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 14, 2021, 02:29:PM
But...but...but...Holly Willoughby says it's safe...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9360307/Irish-medical-chief-says-use-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-suspended.html

Quote
Use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine should be suspended following reports of serious post-jab blood clots in Norway, Ireland's deputy medical chief said.

Irish authorities have been pushing the pharmaceutical giant to speed up its vaccine supplies to the Republic, where cases per million people exceeded the UK's figures during the peak of the January wave.

But now, deputy chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn said Ireland will act on a 'precautionary principle' and pause the AstraZeneca rollout following reports of 'serious blood clotting events' in Norway.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 14, 2021, 02:34:PM
But...but...but...Holly Willoughby says it's safe...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9360307/Irish-medical-chief-says-use-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-suspended.html

oh well there you have it expert advice.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 14, 2021, 02:59:PM
oh well there you have it expert advice.

Oh dear...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9357521/Physical-therapist-28-dies-two-days-taking-COVID-19-vaccine.html

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 15, 2021, 01:32:AM
“It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen.” – Aristotle

I find that quote very apt in the circumstances.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 15, 2021, 12:01:PM
One man's meat is another man's poison.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 15, 2021, 01:33:PM
One man's meat is another man's poison.

You do as you wish, but don't ever think that you can tell other people what to do.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 17, 2021, 10:55:AM
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1371950224575397890
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 17, 2021, 02:24:PM
You do as you wish, but don't ever think that you can tell other people what to do.





I never do tell people what to do. I was quoting a phrase that's widely used as a comparison of what some people can tolerate and others can't, i.e. in this case the Covid vaccine.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 17, 2021, 06:29:PM
https://youtu.be/WMsn0bj_P6o
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 18, 2021, 12:11:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZnlC-eUCoo
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 18, 2021, 01:33:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj9GXh_WVi4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 18, 2021, 01:52:PM
heres how many people lockdown has killed in asia  https://www.unicef.org/rosa/media/13066/file/Main%20Report.pdf
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 19, 2021, 04:57:PM
funny no mention of this from the left.

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/07/08/bill-gates-global-health-policy/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 19, 2021, 06:45:PM
https://youtu.be/2zoSSHx9QtA?list=WL
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 24, 2021, 10:43:PM
Another look at an old theory on the virus: https://youtu.be/YBq-LV3Jm1M?list=WL
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on March 25, 2021, 02:15:PM
So interesting and feasible too. An experiment gone wrong with the antidote/ counteragent already in-situ.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on March 28, 2021, 03:53:PM
https://wecantcomply.com/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 31, 2021, 08:44:PM
France in new lockdown..https://youtu.be/wBBQ3DwWeck
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 13, 2021, 04:35:PM
https://t.co/dmNIlcPLet?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on April 14, 2021, 07:18:AM
Nearly a quarter of registered Covid deaths are NOT caused by the virus, new statistics show amid calls to speed up route out of lockdown


We’ve just had the blame Covid for a death experience.  I’ve been caring for my uncle who had chronic kidney problems for two years, a few weeks back I phoned for the ambulance about 10pm he was in so much pain, he was in his 80s and poor health.  He’d had a Covid vaccination and he’d Been tested the week before and was negative.  They tested him before he went in the ambulance, this was negative.  They wouldn’t let us go with him to hospital, I followed them to hospital then went home.  Early next morning I rang and they’d done chest x rays, later that day he rang and said they’re moving him to the Covid ward because he’d got Covid?  We questioned it and they said his x rays had shown he could have had it or he’d got it, the three of us who had been looking after him wasn’t told to go and get a test or advised to, we did and all came back negative.  We kept questioning the Covid, we was even allowed to visit him, in a room on his own on the Covid ward, yet they were still going down the road of it being Covid and not the fact his kidneys had given up.  He died a few days later and because of our questioning the Covid was dropped.  In a million years he never had or has had Covid but if we hadn’t questioned this he would have been another statistic of Covid.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on April 14, 2021, 09:31:AM
Nearly a quarter of registered Covid deaths are NOT caused by the virus, new statistics show amid calls to speed up route out of lockdown


We’ve just had the blame Covid for a death experience.  I’ve been caring for my uncle who had chronic kidney problems for two years, a few weeks back I phoned for the ambulance about 10pm he was in so much pain, he was in his 80s and poor health.  He’d had a Covid vaccination and he’d Been tested the week before and was negative.  They tested him before he went in the ambulance, this was negative.  They wouldn’t let us go with him to hospital, I followed them to hospital then went home.  Early next morning I rang and they’d done chest x rays, later that day he rang and said they’re moving him to the Covid ward because he’d got Covid?  We questioned it and they said his x rays had shown he could have had it or he’d got it, the three of us who had been looking after him wasn’t told to go and get a test or advised to, we did and all came back negative.  We kept questioning the Covid, we was even allowed to visit him, in a room on his own on the Covid ward, yet they were still going down the road of it being Covid and not the fact his kidneys had given up.  He died a few days later and because of our questioning the Covid was dropped.  In a million years he never had or has had Covid but if we hadn’t questioned this he would have been another statistic of Covid.

Sorry to read of your experience and loss RJ. Did your uncle present with any lung problems at any point?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on April 14, 2021, 11:17:AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/13/quarter-covid-deaths-not-caused-virus/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on April 14, 2021, 11:58:AM
Sorry to read of your experience and loss RJ. Did your uncle present with any lung problems at any point?
Hi Roch, his breathing deteriorated, but mainly down to the fact his kidneys were operating at 12% so he wasn’t producing red cells to carry oxygen around his body.
,
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 14, 2021, 12:11:PM
Hi Roch, his breathing deteriorated, but mainly down to the fact his kidneys were operating at 12% so he wasn’t producing red cells to carry oxygen around his body.
,





So sorry to hear about that RJ. X
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 14, 2021, 12:16:PM
Each year in my area alone we sadly have many thousands of deaths from 'flu. Imagine the count in every town and city in this country. 'Flu inevitably leads to pneumonia in the weak and elderly in society which has been going on for years so it's very wrong to count every death as that of Covid.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 14, 2021, 12:21:PM
https://t.co/dmNIlcPLet?amp=1

Where do you find all these looney conspiracy websites?

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 14, 2021, 02:06:PM
Where do you find all these looney conspiracy websites?

i dont like the word conspriacy i much prefere the word fact.

the only conspriacy theory i see is the one thats theres a deadly and conatgious virus around when its perfectly clear from all officail data and basic commonsense that there isnt.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on April 14, 2021, 05:26:PM
Each year in my area alone we sadly have many thousands of deaths from 'flu. Imagine the count in every town and city in this country. 'Flu inevitably leads to pneumonia in the weak and elderly in society which has been going on for years so it's very wrong to count every death as that of Covid.
Hi Lookout, strangely you’ve not heard many deaths from flu this or last year, I’m not for one minute saying Covid hasn’t caused a lot of deaths, but I’m pretty certain the death rate from Covid  isn’t as high as what’s being put out there.  I think the Government and Hospitals have used the excess as a means to justify in what they have done, the Uk has in general a lower bed capacity in its hospitals than average anyway.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 14, 2021, 06:47:PM
https://twitter.com/DispereertNo/status/1381779646660894722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1381779646660894722%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.davidicke.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fi%2Fstatus%2F1381779646660894722
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on April 14, 2021, 07:33:PM
A new variant. I wonder how many annual jabs we will need. https://youtu.be/93pXH5tP9W0
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 15, 2021, 07:07:AM
Where do you find all these looney conspiracy websites?

"Overall, we rate The Daily Expose a Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience website based on promoting false and misleading information regarding Covid-19."


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-expose/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-expose/)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 15, 2021, 12:12:PM
ATTENTION ALL CITIZENS
A Warning About Disinformation From Grand Covid Marshall and Chief Fact Checker,
Citizen David 1819

Citizens, it has been brought to my attention that our enemies are still at work trying to discredit our efforts at combating the fatal Yellow Death plague.  Information is being spread that claims Covid-19 has been hysterically exaggerated, or may even not exist as a discrete virus.  You can imagine my shock, citizens, on hearing about these audacious lies!

Citizens, this is what we call Disinformation - a method of psychological war being waged on all of us and our children!

All of you have read the scientific findings.  You have all read our comprehensive information pamphlet, '76 Pieces of Evidence For Covid-19 And Why You Need The Vaccine', produced by Citizen Adam 4521.

Citizens, the science is clear and settled!  In my capacity as Chief Fact Checker, I can tell you we have never been so certain. 

Don't listen to the knockers, citizens!  Our brave boys on the Malabar Front aren't skipping the vaccine!  All of them are now jabbed.

Of course, crawling cowards like the liberal-reactionary-fascist-capitalist running dog Q.C. Chevalier and the dangerous rebel outlaw Nugnug are trying to frustrate our efforts.  They are part of an organised effort to spread vile conspiracy theories! They will not succeed!

As Grand Covid Marshal, I will be leading the fight against this dangerous conspiracy, with help from the Grammarian-General and High Guardian For Moral Deportment, Citizen Steve 6456.  We will defeat these renegades!

Those citizens who have information, should contact me in the first instance.

Follow the example of this month's Most Industrious Citizen, Citizen Roch 7462!  Put your community first!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 15, 2021, 12:17:PM
RJ in my area there were reported to have been 620 deaths from Covid since it began in March 2020. The other hundreds would have been flu-related, strokes. heart attacks and cancers.
The figures given earlier were in their thousands of having died from Covid.
There is no official information as to how many have actually died from Covid. Respiratory deaths each winter are in the thousands in this country.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on April 15, 2021, 02:06:PM
ATTENTION ALL CITIZENS
A Warning About Disinformation From Grand Covid Marshall and Chief Fact Checker,
Citizen David 1819

Citizens, it has been brought to my attention that our enemies are still at work trying to discredit our efforts at combating the fatal Yellow Death plague.  Information is being spread that claims Covid-19 ishas been hysterically exaggerated, or may even not exist as a discrete virus.  You can imagine my shock, citizens, on hearing about these audacious lies!

Citizens, this is what we call Disinformation - a method of psychological war being waged on all of us and our children!

All of you have read the scientific findings.  You have all read our comprehensive information pamphlet, '76 Pieces of Evidence For Covid-19 And Why You Need The Vaccine', produced by Citizen Adam 4521.

Citizens, the science is clear and settled!  In my capacity as Chief Fact Checker, I can tell you we have never been so certain. 

Don't listen to the knockers, citizens!  Our brave boys on the Malabar Front aren't skipping the vaccine!  All of them are now jabbed.

Of course, crawling cowards like the liberal-reactionary-fascist-capitalist running dog Q.C. Chevalier and the dangerous rebel outlaw Nugnug are trying to frustrate our efforts.  They are part of an organised effort to spread vile conspiracy theories! They will not succeed!

As Grand Covid Marshal, I will be leading the fight against this dangerous conspiracy, with help from the Grammarian-General and High Guardian For Moral Deportment, Citizen Steve 6456.  We will defeat these renegades!

Those citizens who have information, should contact me in the first instance.

Follow the example of this month's Most Industrious Citizen, Citizen Roch 7462!  Put your community first!

Think its time you put the crack pipe down QC  :))
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on April 16, 2021, 07:09:PM
RJ in my area there were reported to have been 620 deaths from Covid since it began in March 2020. The other hundreds would have been flu-related, strokes. heart attacks and cancers.
The figures given earlier were in their thousands of having died from Covid.
There is no official information as to how many have actually died from Covid. Respiratory deaths each winter are in the thousands in this country.
Hi Lookout, our trust has reported 441 deaths from COVID-19 since last year in March, I’m pretty certain it would have been 442 if we hadn’t questioned it.  It’s been a horrible year Lookout hopefully the Vaccines will bring us out of it, have you had your second Jab yet?  Looks like we will have another in the Autumn if the variants can’t be controlled.

When my uncle went in Hospital and then put on the COVID-19 ward I think there was about twenty to thirty Covid patients in, these were spread over three wards, I’m not saying they didn’t look after him, they were amazing with him the nurses and to us to be fair, we could visit whenever we wanted especially because he hadn’t long to live, but the diagnosis from the top end and treatment didn’t make him pain free until his last night with us.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on April 16, 2021, 08:22:PM
Hi Lookout, our trust has reported 441 deaths from COVID-19 since last year in March, I’m pretty certain it would have been 442 if we hadn’t questioned it.  It’s been a horrible year Lookout hopefully the Vaccines will bring us out of it, have you had your second Jab yet?  Looks like we will have another in the Autumn if the variants can’t be controlled.

When my uncle went in Hospital and then put on the COVID-19 ward I think there was about twenty to thirty Covid patients in, these were spread over three wards, I’m not saying they didn’t look after him, they were amazing with him the nurses and to us to be fair, we could visit whenever we wanted especially because he hadn’t long to live, but the diagnosis from the top end and treatment didn’t make him pain free until his last night with us.





Hi RJ, first of all I haven't as yet had my second vax. as a blip after the first put me off, had a terrible arrhythmia attack/episode and considering it was over 12 months since I'd had one and since an increase in medication I'd been fine until after the jab, so I'm pondering at the moment. I feel as though it's a game of Russian Roulette with my system and whether to take the risk. I have until the end of this month to decide as it'll be 3 months since the first. Nobody can tell me why or how it happened and it's something that I would normally have been hospitalized for in order to be stabilized with an intravenous cardioversion to get the heartbeat back into sync. So as you can see, I'm rather undecided.

I'm so glad that you were allowed to visit your uncle because some of the horror stories of families not being allowed to access dying relatives were heartbreaking for all concerned least of all for the patient themselves. It's been a shocking year for many and I can't see things being " normal " for a long time yet
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 17, 2021, 07:24:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4Ha9HQvMo
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 19, 2021, 06:34:PM
As far as I am concerned, the boss of The Raven Pub is a national hero.  A superb fellow.  I will be paying a special visit.  I really wish more people would stand up like this and tell these stupid morons where to shove it.

Some good old fashioned pushing and shoving.  "That man is not allowed in my pub" - he speaks for the saner part of the English nation, I think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoDJ1Fk47E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGuLJvY9ApE

Quote: "You have failed me.  I have been a Labour voter my entire life.  You have failed to be the opposition."

I stopped being a Labour voter 20 years ago.  I have never voted Conservative and would sooner crawl naked over broken glass. 

I will not vote for parties that do not represent me and treat me with disdain and contempt.

Let me assure you that if any politician, local or national, comes near me and my mind is so set, they will get much, much worse from me than you see in that clip.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 20, 2021, 04:21:PM
https://youtu.be/Uc9LHK60Gjw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 21, 2021, 04:03:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/04/21/covids-ifr-just-keeps-dropping/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 24, 2021, 09:05:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrvztx5JuD8
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 26, 2021, 01:40:PM
https://youtu.be/9pe9Q7SbPzA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 26, 2021, 05:42:PM
https://youtu.be/9pe9Q7SbPzA

To be honest, I think protests are a waste of time.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 26, 2021, 07:28:PM
I don't know if this is genuine, but it is interesting anyway how dumb/silly the media are to think that the clarity of the aspect and smog/air pollution would not vary for other reasons:

https://twitter.com/karma44921039/status/1386404635838083073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1386404635838083073%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.davidicke.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkarma44921039%2Fstatus%2F1386404635838083073%3Fs%3D20
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on April 26, 2021, 10:33:PM
Citizen Chevalier. You are instructed to report to the Holding Area 3 reception gate. Your point of contact is Covid Marshall Roch. Please address any questions to your Covid Marshall. Do not delay.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 27, 2021, 10:21:AM
Attention all citizens!  We are pleased to announce that last month's Most Industrious Citizen, Roch 7462, has been appointed as Deputy Assistant Under Marshal for Covid Enforcement.  He will work closely with our Grand Covid Marshal and Chief Fact Checker, David 1819, ensuring that David 1819 is supplied with an adequate stock of forms and paperclips.

Congratulations Citizen Roch 7462!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 27, 2021, 02:03:PM
To be honest, I think protests are a waste of time.

i think people would be far better of just taking no notice of the rules laws can only be enforced if the majority of people are prepaired to obey them.

the reaon i posted it was to show the protesters were not all just fringe cranks or the far  right as the gaurdion and bbc pathetically keep trying to cliam
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on April 27, 2021, 04:01:PM
i think people would be far better of just taking no notice of the rules laws can only be enforced if the majority of people are prepaired to obey them.

the reaon i posted it was to show the protesters were not all just fringe cranks or the far  right as the gaurdion and bbc pathetically keep trying to cliam

I agree.  Civil disobedience and 'voting with your feet' are the way forward.

There is a certain national chain supermarket who will never have my custom again.  Ultimately, it may be necessary to devolve from mainstream society almost completely.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: gringo on April 28, 2021, 04:47:PM
As far as I am concerned, the boss of The Raven Pub is a national hero.  A superb fellow.  I will be paying a special visit.  I really wish more people would stand up like this and tell these stupid morons where to shove it.

Some good old fashioned pushing and shoving.  "That man is not allowed in my pub" - he speaks for the saner part of the English nation, I think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoDJ1Fk47E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGuLJvY9ApE

Quote: "You have failed me.  I have been a Labour voter my entire life.  You have failed to be the opposition."

I stopped being a Labour voter 20 years ago.  I have never voted Conservative and would sooner crawl naked over broken glass. 

I will not vote for parties that do not represent me and treat me with disdain and contempt.

Let me assure you that if any politician, local or national, comes near me and my mind is so set, they will get much, much worse from me than you see in that clip.
   The landlord should stand for election. His opinions are shared by many, me included.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 01, 2021, 12:06:AM
https://youtu.be/pyPjAfNNA-U
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 02, 2021, 07:23:PM
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/dominic-raab-foreign-secretary-sophy-ridge-b932854.html

Quote
D
ominic Raab has hinted that masks and social distancing could stay after June 21.

The Foreign Secretary urged caution in the “last lap” of the fight against coronavirus, arguing there is only “a little bit more time” until all legal restrictions on social interaction are removed.

But he said “safeguards” will remain in place until after lockdown lifts on June 21 - the final phase of the roadmap.

He told the BBC’s Andrew Marr: “We want to get to a position at the end of June where we can get life back to as normal as possible but there need to be some safeguards in place.”

When asked what additional measures might be need still, he replied: “It will be around distancing maybe there will be something around masks but I don’t want to prejudge it.”

Am I the only person who is intensely irritated by this constant misuse of the word 'around' by mealy-mouthed politicians and other official people?  It bothers me partly for the same reason it bothered Orwell: one suspects that officious abuse of English is due to a need for the speaker or writer not to let on precisely what it is he or she is doing in quite the frank terms that proper usage would reveal.

The culprit tends to be the type of person who has a university degree, often from quite a prestigious institution, but isn't very clever, yet thinks he or she is.  They also think of themselves as quite righteous, and are constantly at work finding ways to stick their stupid and unwelcome noses in other people's business and interfere unnecessarily in people's lives, or mess around with long-established, functioning institutions or systems that work perfectly well on sound principles and don't require their stupid meddling.  My experience is that, more often than not, they make matters worse or cause new problems.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 02, 2021, 11:30:PM
https://t.co/5DNge9HVvI?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 14, 2021, 10:56:PM
I know somebody who got the Indian strain.

He went into a korma.

I'm just praying his naan doesn't catch it.

I think the takeaway from all this is don't go near anybody.  It won't curry favour.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 14, 2021, 10:58:PM
The breaking news is that it's catching.

https://twitter.com/CharlieEmmaUK/status/1393294674144763908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1393294674144763908%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.davidicke.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FCharlieEmmaUK%2Fstatus%2F1393294674144763908%3Fs%3D20

Stupidity, I mean.  Not Covid-19.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 14, 2021, 11:16:PM
Here we go again, two weeks to clatten the purves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E8IrSjuaoI

I hope Citizen David 1819 and Citizen Roch 7462 have had their vacuums...I mean, vaccine.  They should come on to the thread to confirm, or we may need another Announcement!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on May 15, 2021, 09:54:AM
Here we go again, two weeks to clatten the purves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E8IrSjuaoI

I hope Citizen David 1819 and Citizen Roch 7462 have had their vacuums...I mean, vaccine.  They should come on to the thread to confirm, or we may need another Announcement!

I have had both my vaccinations. There now should be no excuse for lack of vaccination among the population. I support the concept of surge vaccinations and would go a step further and support forced vaccinations.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 15, 2021, 09:59:AM
I have had both my vaccinations. There now should be no excuse for lack of vaccination among the population. I support the concept of surge vaccinations and would go a step further and support forced vaccinations.

Citizen Roch 7462!  Yes, you!  Citizen Roch 7462!  Stand up straight, citizen!  Don't slouch!  Remember our brave boys on the Malabar Front! 

You are to be congratulated, citizen, on your proposal for forced vaccinations and you have been awarded an extra 10 Social Credit points for the month. 

Don't spend them all at once citizen!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 16, 2021, 10:13:AM
Deschool society...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sulu1Zp2Bfs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on May 16, 2021, 01:54:PM
I can't bring myself to have the second vaccination as I didn't relish the " stroke " symptoms I'd had with the first.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 16, 2021, 02:11:PM
I can't bring myself to have the second vaccination as I didn't relish the " stroke " symptoms I'd had with the first.

What...?.?.?...
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on May 16, 2021, 04:57:PM
I can't bring myself to have the second vaccination as I didn't relish the " stroke " symptoms I'd had with the first.
Thats awful Lookout, it’s put you in a dilemma, hopefully the vaccine’s will get better, there is even talk of a nasal spray or tablet form, these might offer less reactions.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 16, 2021, 08:32:PM
Thats awful Lookout, it’s put you in a dilemma, hopefully the vaccine’s will get better, there is even talk of a nasal spray or tablet form, these might offer less reactions.

What are you talking about?  The rest of the world has gone crazy.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on May 16, 2021, 08:36:PM
What...?.?.?...




Yes, indeed.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on May 16, 2021, 08:42:PM
Thats awful Lookout, it’s put you in a dilemma, hopefully the vaccine’s will get better, there is even talk of a nasal spray or tablet form, these might offer less reactions.




I had a mini-stroke about 3 years ago (TIA ) and the symptoms I had a few days later were just like the symptoms I had after the stroke plus the dizziness for the following 3 weeks, so I'd have said I had a slight bleed on the brain. Only for taking warfarin it could have been worse. My blood has a habit of clotting.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on May 16, 2021, 08:45:PM



I had a mini-stroke about 3 years ago (TIA ) and the symptoms I had a few days later were just like the symptoms I had after the stroke plus the dizziness for the following 3 weeks, so I'd have said I had a slight bleed on the brain. Only for taking warfarin it could have been worse. My blood has a habit of clotting.
Thats sad Lookout, I think the Oxford one has been associated with blood clotting, was it this you had on the first injection?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on May 16, 2021, 09:04:PM
What are you talking about?  The rest of the world has gone crazy.
My concern for Lookout is what I’m talking about, she obviously is in the vulnerable group. I would say about possibly 35million in this country had their vaccine without being pressurised and given a choice, hopefully for Lookout if she can’t have her second dose because of side effects their might be something else in the Autumn, again if she wants it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2021, 01:13:PM
Thats sad Lookout, I think the Oxford one has been associated with blood clotting, was it this you had on the first injection?




Yes, it happened after the first RJ.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on May 17, 2021, 01:51:PM



Yes, it happened after the first RJ.
Bless, I’m sure they’ll fix it ready for the Autumn, I don’t blame you for not having the second Lookout,  I’ve been for my second this morning, Oxford one, I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm 🙈.  It’s nice we’ve got a choice.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on May 17, 2021, 06:53:PM
Bless, I’m sure they’ll fix it ready for the Autumn, I don’t blame you for not having the second Lookout,  I’ve been for my second this morning, Oxford one, I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm 🙈.  It’s nice we’ve got a choice.





I have the normal 'flu one in the Autumn----which may be tweaked to include whatever strain of 'flu will be around at the time, so as long as I obey rules etc. I should be okay. I've always been okay with the 'flu jab every year as it's that which could have saved me from a fate worse than death when I took bad at the end of December 2019.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on May 17, 2021, 07:15:PM




I have the normal 'flu one in the Autumn----which may be tweaked to include whatever strain of 'flu will be around at the time, so as long as I obey rules etc. I should be okay. I've always been okay with the 'flu jab every year as it's that which could have saved me from a fate worse than death when I took bad at the end of December 2019.
The uptake of the vaccine is quite remarkable Lookout, the more that have it will hopefully help yourself and others like you and stop transmission.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 18, 2021, 09:01:PM
https://t.co/il2P2kCPdJ?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 18, 2021, 10:09:PM
"It puts the vaccine on its skin, or else it gets the lockdown again"
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 18, 2021, 10:27:PM
https://t.co/il2P2kCPdJ?amp=1

Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 21, 2021, 02:44:PM
https://youtu.be/hKNVEPnI4fY
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 30, 2021, 07:19:PM
Wuhan lab leak theory 'IS feasible' says British intelligence

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9633743/Wuhan-lab-leak-theory-feasible-says-British-intelligence.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9633743/Wuhan-lab-leak-theory-feasible-says-British-intelligence.html)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on May 30, 2021, 08:04:PM
It doesn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 30, 2021, 10:02:PM
Had my first jab btw (Pfizer)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 30, 2021, 10:16:PM
Had my first jab btw (Pfizer)

I hope, as I am sure does everybody here, that you maintain your health and suffer no ill effects.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on May 30, 2021, 11:08:PM
I hope, as I am sure does everybody here, that you maintain your health and suffer no ill effects.

So far so good 👍
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on May 31, 2021, 12:12:AM
So far so good 👍

Good.  And let us wish the same for all other posters - Lookout, Real Justice, Steve, Roch, NGB1066, everybody.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on May 31, 2021, 11:40:AM
Good.  And let us wish the same for all other posters - Lookout, Real Justice, Steve, Roch, NGB1066, everybody.

Cheers. Likewise to yourself and anyone who chose to decline vaccination. I must admit, if truth be told, I do retain some suspicion, scepticism, even anxiety about the whole Covid episode.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on June 01, 2021, 10:19:AM
There should be an antidote to this virus that was leaked.  ? Unless it's destroyed.

During the Second World War, Anthrax was manufactured and taken to an island in Scotland where it poisoned everything in its path and even today nothing grows there.
Anthrax was/ is a bacteria and can be breathed in and during the war a vaccine was brought out for the troops.
There is still a vaccine for anthrax which is manufactured in the USA ( BioThrax)

Breathing in this coronavirus is when it is deadly along with its high contaminant unless cleanliness is adhered to.

I'm veering towards germ warfare with this virus.   
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 01, 2021, 05:52:PM
theres only one antidote to the virus stop watching tv
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on June 01, 2021, 07:22:PM
Good.  And let us wish the same for all other posters - Lookout, Real Justice, Steve, Roch, NGB1066, everybody.
Cheers QC, must say my second jab hurt, never felt the first but I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm for the second 🙈.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on June 05, 2021, 12:08:AM
Cheers QC, must say my second jab hurt, never felt the first but I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm for the second 🙈.

I hope Steve can come back on here to tell us he is alright.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on June 21, 2021, 07:00:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auw8SThgOJw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 21, 2021, 08:07:PM
I hope Steve can come back on here to tell us he is alright.

im sure steve is allright. he comes and goes.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on July 14, 2021, 10:31:AM
Just two weeks to flatten the curve!  Honest!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 20, 2021, 02:54:PM
https://t.co/dvdR53eIqH?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 20, 2021, 05:43:PM
https://youtu.be/fYV9B-8iXVE
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on July 25, 2021, 05:49:PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on July 25, 2021, 07:23:PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358)

Would you like me to post up the stories about double-jabbed people who have them contracted this supposed virus and even died?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on August 01, 2021, 09:16:PM
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/01/sky-news-australia-banned-from-youtube-for-seven-days-over-covid-misinformation (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/01/sky-news-australia-banned-from-youtube-for-seven-days-over-covid-misinformation)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on August 02, 2021, 05:20:PM
Would you like me to post up the stories about double-jabbed people who have them contracted this supposed virus and even died?

yes please do.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on August 03, 2021, 10:27:AM
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/01/sky-news-australia-banned-from-youtube-for-seven-days-over-covid-misinformation (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/01/sky-news-australia-banned-from-youtube-for-seven-days-over-covid-misinformation)

higly ironic seeing as its coming from the gaurdion the bigest disinfo merchants around.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on August 05, 2021, 11:58:AM
https://t.co/k9pXTQWdVW?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on August 20, 2021, 03:34:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94RYUr3wFJA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on August 20, 2021, 09:49:AM
Ronapreve..https://www.aol.co.uk/news/uk-regulator-approves-first-drug-072752479.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on August 20, 2021, 02:54:PM
It's all well and good bringing out new drugs/vaccines but testing a patient first is also necessary. A blood test for thrombocyte platelets would reduce the deaths of those with blood-clotting problems first.
You can't just go ahead with a vaccination until a test for the suitability of the vaccine is processed.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on August 20, 2021, 03:05:PM
It's all well and good bringing out new drugs/vaccines but testing a patient first is also necessary. A blood test for thrombocyte platelets would reduce the deaths of those with blood-clotting problems first.
You can't just go ahead with a vaccination until a test for the suitability of the vaccine is processed.

That takes years because you have to wait and assess the effect on test subjects over a long period of time.  And they have not taken that crucial step.  They are licensing the vaccines and other drugs on an emergency basis. I won't touch them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on August 20, 2021, 08:42:PM
That takes years because you have to wait and assess the effect on test subjects over a long period of time.  And they have not taken that crucial step.  They are licensing the vaccines and other drugs on an emergency basis. I won't touch them.





An individual's GP should be up to speed with various results from their patient's blood-tests, routinely in some cases with further testing if the patient appears to have a problem. An alternative form of treatment should then be sought for those who do have blood-clotting problems rather than taking a risk when too many seemingly healthy people have died afterwards just for the want of a simple and quick blood-test.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on August 20, 2021, 09:09:PM
It looks like Jeremy Bamber might get it, but not myself. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/20/uk-approves-rollout-covid-antibody-treatment-ronapreve-clinical-trials
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: handyman on August 20, 2021, 11:52:PM
Oh well, if Jeremy gets it they can keep their fingers crossed that he has severe side effects.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on August 21, 2021, 09:05:AM
Careful what you wish for, handyman ! Just sayin'.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: handyman on August 22, 2021, 11:41:AM
lookout, it's not what I wish for. I was joking
I'm concerned that this sort of thing happening, is about the only way the authorities can get out of their own mess,without having to admit they messed up.
I hope Jeremy refuses to take the quaxine.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on August 22, 2021, 02:36:PM
Just testing, handyman.  ;D.
I agree and am surprised the " powers that be " haven't come up with anything before now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on August 22, 2021, 10:12:PM
https://t.co/ZKlKdM54s9?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2021, 02:21:PM
https://youtu.be/_GafyyQg-dk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2021, 02:34:PM
https://citizenjournos.com/2021/10/06/confirmed-the-mater-hospital-was-not-full-of-unvaccinated-20-30-year-olds-on-ventilators-on-the-22nd-july/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2021, 05:35:PM
https://youtu.be/emLL8BcP4II
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 08, 2021, 07:09:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/10/07/george-monbiots-far-right-projection/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 09, 2021, 10:28:AM
https://paulthepaperbear.wordpress.com/2021/10/08/your-alternative-update-on-covid19-for-2021-10-08-exposing-the-cover-up-mass-jab-deaths-jabs-mystery-payload-economy-being-crashed-on-purpose/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 09, 2021, 03:01:PM
https://youtu.be/MULDV9Ya-Fo
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 12, 2021, 10:24:AM
UK’s early herd immunity strategy was ‘public health failure’, Covid report finds


https://www.ft.com/content/20e6bf0b-853c-46cf-9f9b-e1d4351368be (https://www.ft.com/content/20e6bf0b-853c-46cf-9f9b-e1d4351368be)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 12, 2021, 11:04:AM
herd imunity is what we do every flues eason. its never failed before in history.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 12, 2021, 01:32:PM
herd imunity is what we do every flues eason. its never failed before in history.

That's because there has been a flu vaccine available every flu season since the 1930s.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 12, 2021, 01:49:PM
not everybody has the flue vacine its only 65 percent effective. and we were  doing herd imunity well before the 1930s.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 12, 2021, 01:56:PM
not everybody has the flue vacine its only 65 percent effective. and we were  doing herd imunity well before the 1930s.

Flu is not Covid. Plus there was no Internet back then for idiots to spread misinformation and put other idiots in danger.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on October 12, 2021, 02:10:PM
Flu is not Covid. Plus there was no Internet back then for idiots to spread misinformation and put other idiots in danger.

👽
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 12, 2021, 02:23:PM
👽


🛸
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 12, 2021, 02:33:PM
Flu is not Covid. Plus there was no Internet back then for idiots to spread misinformation and put other idiots in danger.

no its not covid all the stats prove covid is far less deadly than flue.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 12, 2021, 08:54:PM
http://vaxxedthemovie.com/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 13, 2021, 07:58:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/10/13/best-of-offg-wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 14, 2021, 10:32:AM
Flu is not Covid. Plus there was no Internet back then for idiots to spread misinformation and put other idiots in danger.

Idiots like this.

(https://preview.redd.it/5sg5bofpfjn71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e4954a5cebf65a25c81ca34640efb174a625649d)

(https://preview.redd.it/3pw5yifpfjn71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9159ea812ad837a44d1af4beaeee83e07e90e45e)

(https://preview.redd.it/9d1koifpfjn71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5cb1de3a11c494c47e453f7522e9c06495740683)

(https://preview.redd.it/1m6kpjfpfjn71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=048d15f920418ab3ccbf4152116f88f20890a61d)

(https://preview.redd.it/o6myfmfpfjn71.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=068f4e8ec8f3ad216e4f1ac4d02e15c6a7c904da)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2021, 04:24:PM
anyone wo belives thats a real facebook profile i have a bridge id like to sell themthe 77th really are geting desprate.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 18, 2021, 04:48:PM
https://youtu.be/4yiigLK8t0g
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 20, 2021, 05:54:PM
(https://preview.redd.it/442he5jgdvt71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f278dd178698349c998c440355935e44dffa2d92)

(https://preview.redd.it/btna55jgdvt71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1fd7de92d72f8b28f321559d0fbd81507cd32db5)

(https://preview.redd.it/iiunh7jgdvt71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=22b4394dcaac60a0e6a965195a0fbc464e371548)

(https://preview.redd.it/54gmy8jgdvt71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=70fcbfbbc77c03a6f9274a31d12babafa07f4990)

(https://preview.redd.it/tpx7q8jgdvt71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=20225060801a2c9583a084b7deb2e3e63b46fd69)

(https://preview.redd.it/y37gkcjgdvt71.jpg?width=826&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a9340e5fe68442bdd2e37dcf39c193151900c36)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 20, 2021, 07:29:PM
https://youtu.be/mLEKkTSSUwk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 20, 2021, 08:42:PM
https://youtu.be/zTtzGhYd0Po
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 21, 2021, 04:47:PM
(https://preview.redd.it/dydmbacfkxn71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b9d1ca40195a4205dae21fd4241d2080a268c12e)

(https://preview.redd.it/fmlihhcfkxn71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=959a22b91e6fe7427ed6e8f61e2248e71342a6e3)

(https://preview.redd.it/rze6ldcfkxn71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0ad7cdb31b854ea70ff4aaebf37419a69a33915c)

(https://preview.redd.it/w11dpncfkxn71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=14ebf1c4ce47a2f16916260c244e4acee1d85f38)

(https://preview.redd.it/9fpq5acfkxn71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5cc12120a0f5da47a16b8eaefb9b08b73d7f4a2f)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 21, 2021, 05:10:PM
abslutly fake profile ive seeen hundreds of profiles on facebook all same thingmy sister is an anti vaxxer and now she has covid abslutly transparent bullshit.

ow comeits allways exactly the same story on all these diffrent profiles 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on October 24, 2021, 01:46:PM
Do we treat these anti-vaxers who are now clogging up the system ?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on October 24, 2021, 01:55:PM
Do we treat these anti-vaxers who are now clogging up the system ?

Do we treat the obese, smokers, recreational drug users, alcoholics and any others whose lifestyle/free choice may have contributed to their need for medical care? 

As far as I am aware the NHS is available at the point of need regardless of any other factor.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on October 24, 2021, 03:26:PM
Our NHS has been taken for granted in recent years to the point of being abused in many ways. Your flippant answer is typical of the entitled society that we live in. 
This is not how a free health service should work. It's a selfish and inconsiderate attitude that many have fallen into.
Every adult is responsible for their own health and well being and it's not up to the NHS to pick up the pieces of those whose lifestyles have dictated how they've ended up. It's these people who seem to do the most grousing.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 24, 2021, 03:27:PM
Do we treat the obese, smokers, recreational drug users, alcoholics and any others whose lifestyle/free choice may have contributed to their need for medical care? 

As far as I am aware the NHS is available at the point of need regardless of any other factor.
The point is how much people are prepared to pay from their taxes for the service. For someone who has looked after his own health since childhood I do wonder whether I should be due a rebate some time soon.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 24, 2021, 03:29:PM
Our NHS has been taken for granted in recent years to the point of being abused in many ways. Your flippant answer is typical of the entitled society that we live in. 
This is not how a free health service should work. It's a selfish and inconsiderate attitude that many have fallen into.
Every adult is responsible for their own health and well being and it's not up to the NHS to pick up the pieces of those whose lifestyles have dictated how they've ended up. It's these people who seem to do the most grousing.
Lookout I completely agree and let's face it: if you drink whisky in excess and smoke 40 a day is it any wonder you're knocking on the health service door at 50?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on October 24, 2021, 07:03:PM
The point is how much people are prepared to pay from their taxes for the service. For someone who has looked after his own health since childhood I do wonder whether I should be due a rebate some time soon.

Me too in terms of looking after self/health but pigging out on junk, smoking and boozing are not illegal.  The latter generate huge tax receipts. 

Would you want to see someone in a white coat at hospital admissions deciding who gets treatment and who doesn't based on lifestyle?

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 24, 2021, 07:12:PM
Me too in terms of looking after self/health but pigging out on junk, smoking and boozing are not illegal.  The latter generate huge tax receipts. 

Would you want to see someone in a white coat at hospital admissions deciding who gets treatment and who doesn't based on lifestyle?
There are dedicated NHS workers being attacked, abused and assaulted every weekend by members of the public in A&E, yet the culprits continue to get away with it. I don't see why we couldn't have a charge to see the GP for those in work and excess visits to A&E. I don't mind paying for essential medical care but I don't see why a heavy smoker should be entitled to a triple heart bypass if he's only going to live twelve months longer. I also resent paying for gender reassignment surgery, tattoo removal, fertility treatment and other cosmetic procedures.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2021, 07:28:PM
Do we treat these anti-vaxers who are now clogging up the system ?

cloging up the system by not an unneeded and dangrous treatment,
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2021, 07:31:PM
There are dedicated NHS workers being attacked, abused and assaulted every weekend by members of the public in A&E, yet the culprits continue to get away with it. I don't see why we couldn't have a charge to see the GP and excess visits to A&E. I don't mind paying for essential medical care but I don't see why a heavy smoker should be entitled to a triple heart bypass if he's only going to live twelve months longer. I also resent paying for gender reassignment surgery, tattoo removal, fertility treatment and other cosmetic procedures.

unny i have never seen that happen any acedent ward i have ever been in almost like its a complete myth

all acdent wardshave asecuirty team
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 24, 2021, 07:50:PM
unny i have never seen that happen any acedent ward i have ever been in almost like its a complete myth

all acdent wardshave asecuirty team
Go to Manchester, Liverpool, Scotland..https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-ambulance-workers-assaulted-utterly-24443837
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2021, 08:12:PM
Go to Manchester, Liverpool, Scotland..https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-ambulance-workers-assaulted-utterly-24443837

its the daily record so can desmissed as bollocks.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 24, 2021, 08:15:PM
its the daily record so can desmissed as bollocks.
https://www.shponline.co.uk/workplace-violence/doubling-maximum-sentence-for-assaulting-an-emergency-worker/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2021, 08:30:PM
https://www.shponline.co.uk/workplace-violence/doubling-maximum-sentence-for-assaulting-an-emergency-worker/

so there doubling the maximum setence forit stil doesnt change the fact that it very rarely happens and when it does the emergency workers are not allways blameless.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 24, 2021, 08:42:PM
so there doubling the maximum setence forit stil doesnt change the fact that it very rarely happens and when it does the emergency workers are not allways blameless.
Earlier this year, SHP reported that there have been up to 50 prosecutions for assaults on emergency workers every day, according to CPS. In response, the Government is seeking views from stakeholders, including representative bodies from the emergency services and the judiciary, on whether the maximum penalty should be doubled to two years behind bars.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on October 24, 2021, 08:51:PM
There are dedicated NHS workers being attacked, abused and assaulted every weekend by members of the public in A&E, yet the culprits continue to get away with it. I don't see why we couldn't have a charge to see the GP for those in work and excess visits to A&E. I don't mind paying for essential medical care but I don't see why a heavy smoker should be entitled to a triple heart bypass if he's only going to live twelve months longer. I also resent paying for gender reassignment surgery, tattoo removal, fertility treatment and other cosmetic procedures.





I completely agree Steve. Glad to say that I've paid in more than I've taken out !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 24, 2021, 09:01:PM
Earlier this year, SHP reported that there have been up to 50 prosecutions for assaults on emergency workers every day, according to CPS. In response, the Government is seeking views from stakeholders, including representative bodies from the emergency services and the judiciary, on whether the maximum penalty should be doubled to two years behind bars.

funny i never read about these proscutions inthe local and how many of these allged proscutions lead to a conviction a proscution means abslutly nothing.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on October 24, 2021, 09:25:PM
funny i never read about these proscutions inthe local and how many of these allged proscutions lead to a conviction a proscution means abslutly nothing.
Some figures from the Sentencing Council:

Sentence volumes
Between 13 November 2018 and 31 December 2018, around 290 adult offenders
were sentenced for assaults on emergency workers. During the first three quarters of
2019, a further 6,400 offenders were sentenced for this offence.

Sentence outcomes and lengths
During the first three quarters of 2019, 38 per cent of offenders sentenced received a
community sentence, and 23 per cent received a fine. A further 17 per cent were
sentenced to immediate custody, 10 per cent were given a suspended sentence, and
8 per cent received a discharge.
The statutory maximum sentence for assaults on emergency workers is 12 months' custody. In the first three quarters of 2019 the ACSL was around three months.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 25, 2021, 07:44:PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/048987_Vaccine_World_Summit_Andrew_Wakefield_MMR.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 26, 2021, 03:02:PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/048987_Vaccine_World_Summit_Andrew_Wakefield_MMR.html

Ah yes, Andrew Wakefield. The guy who made up claims about a link between Autism and a competitors MMR jab. In an attempt to make his own MMR vaccine patient seem more marketable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud

Now struck off the medical register with no professional credibility. He makes a living duping conspiratards
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 26, 2021, 03:06:PM
Ah yes, Andrew Wakefield. The guy who made up claims about a link between Autism and a competitors MMR jab. In an attempt to make his own MMR vaccine patient seem more marketable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud

Now struck off the medical register with no professional credibility. He makes a living duping conspiratards

no he was clearedof doing that and reninstated so yourbulshit will not work.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 26, 2021, 03:11:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 26, 2021, 03:13:PM
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when in doubt resort to posting a stupid meme your just showing what a fuck wit you are.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on October 26, 2021, 03:20:PM
when in doubt resort to posting a stupid meme your just showing what a fuck wit you are.

nutnut what evidence do you have that covid vaccines are anything but positive? 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 26, 2021, 03:25:PM
nutnut what evidence do you have that covid vaccines are anything but positive?

wells theres the blood clots from people whohave had for a start i might pointout that if you want people to take an expremental treatment the burden of proof is on you.

and there is the momrous reported deaths from people who have had itconfirmed by the govermet of norway and mumrous medical experts such as mike yeadon.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 26, 2021, 03:31:PM
nutnut what evidence do you have that covid vaccines are anything but positive?

If nutnut finds anything he can help this person out

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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 26, 2021, 03:35:PM
If nutnut finds anything he can help this person out

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more made up crapfrom the fake screen shot man.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on October 26, 2021, 03:50:PM
wells theres the blood clots from people whohave had for a start i might pointout that if you want people to take an expremental treatment the burden of proof is on you.

and there is the momrous reported deaths from people who have had itconfirmed by the govermet of norway and mumrous medical experts such as mike yeadon.

But the % of people who have died from blood clots is tiny in relation to lives saved, serious illness and long covid.  All drugs carry risk.

It isn't an experimental treatment.  Its based on the same techniques as all vaccines.  All covid vaccines have undergone clinical trials the same as all new drugs. 

Look at the high %'s of the population aged 12 and over who have taken the vaccine.  If it was harmful side effects would have appeared by now. 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Of course you will always find a maverick doctor somewhere who disagrees. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 26, 2021, 04:04:PM
But the % of people who have died from blood clots is tiny in relation to lives saved, serious illness and long covid.  All drugs carry risk.

It isn't an experimental treatment.  Its based on the same techniques as all vaccines.  All covid vaccines have undergone clinical trials the same as all new drugs. 

Look at the high %'s of the population aged 12 and over who have taken the vaccine.  If it was harmful side effects would have appeared by now. 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Of course you will always find a maverick doctor somewhere who disagrees.

what livess saved alll the stats show its was never adeadly ilsness anyway there is abslutly no proof that it has savedasingle life most people survived it beforea jab eisted the only peoplewith serious comorbitys who would of deid anyway..

and hes not just onedoctor is one of many he just happens tobe thee most qaulfied of the  bunch.


i might also point out that alot of the peoplewhodied could of been saved but the national murder service chose not to save them https://t.co/vf0EQB1OoK?amp=1

so theres abslutly no proof that the jab even works.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 26, 2021, 10:04:PM
fauchi is proven to have lied now.

https://youtu.be/DL3zfVGDKCM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 27, 2021, 06:08:PM
Can We Laugh When Antivaxxers Die Of Covid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGf5wy0ylo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGf5wy0ylo)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 27, 2021, 09:31:PM
Can We Laugh When Antivaxxers Die Of Covid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGf5wy0ylo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGf5wy0ylo)

non of them haee are you desprate or what.


there no proen deaths of anti axers but plentyof proof thats  the jab has killed people
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on October 28, 2021, 08:54:AM
13 mostly unvaccinated pregnant women have died. Many overweight and ethnic individuals have also died----unvaccinated.
 Obviously those with a low resistance against illness or who are overweight are the most likely to suffer from breathing difficulties. Carrying too much weight isn't good at any time as obesity is an illness in itself as it creates a strain on every organ in the body. Organs have to be able to breathe and if surrounded by fat, they can't--------simple as that.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on October 28, 2021, 08:59:AM
13 mostly unvaccinated pregnant women have died. Many overweight and ethnic individuals have also died----unvaccinated.
 Obviously those with a low resistance against illness or who are overweight are the most likely to suffer from breathing difficulties. Carrying too much weight isn't good at any time as obesity is an illness in itself as it creates a strain on every organ in the body. Organs have to be able to breathe and if surrounded by fat, they can't--------simple as that.

Do you think obesity is down to genetics or lifestyle? 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2021, 10:52:AM
13 mostly unvaccinated pregnant women have died. Many overweight and ethnic individuals have also died----unvaccinated.
 Obviously those with a low resistance against illness or who are overweight are the most likely to suffer from breathing difficulties. Carrying too much weight isn't good at any time as obesity is an illness in itself as it creates a strain on every organ in the body. Organs have to be able to breathe and if surrounded by fat, they can't--------simple as that.

who had other ilneses andwould of died anyway.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2021, 04:31:PM
https://t.co/jseNy1frgm?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2021, 05:45:PM
https://youtu.be/Tb9MSuKBYk4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2021, 07:07:PM
https://youtu.be/h5xqP-aPwOU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2021, 07:14:PM
https://t.co/IT3mDfXSFI?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 28, 2021, 08:54:PM
final propf thatthe vacine clearly doesnt work from routers https://t.co/CEoTNvugWe?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 29, 2021, 12:41:AM
47 sudys now say masks dont work. https://t.co/GgGYOHOcRa?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on October 29, 2021, 09:59:PM
47 sudys now say masks dont work. https://t.co/GgGYOHOcRa?amp=1

Lifesite is fake news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeSiteNews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeSiteNews)  ;D
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 29, 2021, 10:15:PM
shouting fake news doesnt make it go away you know its not a magic word
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 30, 2021, 12:49:AM
https://youtu.be/yMyPDvum36Q
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on October 31, 2021, 09:12:PM
https://youtu.be/zYkbIf27Gqs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 01, 2021, 12:36:PM
https://youtu.be/phlKS34iSGg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 01, 2021, 05:08:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 01, 2021, 07:52:PM
well thats really convincing thankyou david.


i havent had ajab i never wear a mask funny i have nver cought it isnt it.

funny im still alive you  would think i would be stone dead by now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 02, 2021, 11:16:AM
I've felt like wearing a mask many a time with all the stinky people around---trains, buses, planes. It's no bad thing to wear one just for that reason. At least now we have an excuse !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 02, 2021, 11:21:AM
I've felt like wearing a mask many a time with all the stinky people around---trains, buses, planes. It's no bad thing to wear one just for that reason. At least now we have an excuse !

ive never worn oneis that funny i am perfectly healthy.

can david eplian why i am not dead.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 02, 2021, 03:05:PM
why am i still alive then david can you eplian shouldent i be dead by now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on November 03, 2021, 07:27:PM
Just two weeks to flatten the curve citizens!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 03, 2021, 07:35:PM
Just two weeks to flatten the curve citizens!

do you ever wonder why your not dead i do you would think we would be by now.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on November 03, 2021, 07:41:PM
do you ever wonder why your not dead i do you would think we would be by now.

It's all the intergalactic sex we're getting Nunug.  I think the exchange of fluids with aliens must give us some sort of immunity.  Don't listen to David, he's just jealous.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 04, 2021, 12:01:AM
https://youtu.be/jmsxbDzCQHc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 04, 2021, 09:25:AM
Just two weeks to flatten the curve citizens!

My guess is cases will rise exponentially over the coming weeks.  Cold weather is setting in putting an end to al fresco eating/drinking in public places and private homes.  Schools return after half term.  Recent coming together of people to celebrate Halloween, Guy Fawkes and Diwali.  Waning vaccine immunity.  Infection rates are far higher than this time last year and a significant number of the population are either only partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.  The booster prog is slow. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 04, 2021, 10:28:AM
My guess is cases will rise exponentially over the coming weeks.  Cold weather is setting in putting an end to al fresco eating/drinking in public places and private homes.  Schools return after half term.  Recent coming together of people to celebrate Halloween, Guy Fawkes and Diwali.  Waning vaccine immunity.  Infection rates are far higher than this time last year and a significant number of the population are either only partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.  The booster prog is slow.

yes colds allways go up in winter as does the flue.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 04, 2021, 10:31:AM
https://youtu.be/oaDo4ozr5Io

from the bmj a data privacyleak.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on November 04, 2021, 12:23:PM
My guess is cases will rise exponentially over the coming weeks.  Cold weather is setting in putting an end to al fresco eating/drinking in public places and private homes.  Schools return after half term.  Recent coming together of people to celebrate Halloween, Guy Fawkes and Diwali.  Waning vaccine immunity.  Infection rates are far higher than this time last year and a significant number of the population are either only partially vaccinated or unvaccinated.  The booster prog is slow.

Diwali?  This is Britain, not India.  I celebrate Samhain and Blood Month.

Anyway, I think it's all fake, and the factors you refer to are nothing more than flus and colds.  But those who want to can take the vaccine and the boosters and wear the masks, as they wish, and best of luck.  I will not comply, but as long as you leave me alone while you're flattening statistical curves, I don't mind.  I only resent the inability to travel.  I used to enjoy a trip to parts of the Continent around Christmas and now that is not available to me because of this mass lunacy.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 04, 2021, 12:28:PM
oh look the media are lying about cases going up in children. https://youtu.be/0oDzP_BWlPo from gb news
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 04, 2021, 05:08:PM
prof lokdown hhimself https://youtu.be/zmeg7d4DL1Y
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 07, 2021, 07:45:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 08, 2021, 09:13:AM
I had my 'flu jab a few days ago and I think that's as good a protection as anything as I could only have one Covid jab on account of a blood-clotting condition.
If I wanted to travel I can't do so until 2023 and I'm made to live like a hermit until then.

I still think the Hong Kong 'flu was worse !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 09, 2021, 05:30:PM
nhs lying about the data agian https://youtu.be/8waVTUUtRHQ
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 09, 2021, 05:41:PM
nhs lying about the data agian https://youtu.be/8waVTUUtRHQ

And why exactly would the NHS want to lie about the data?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 09, 2021, 08:34:PM
And why exactly would the NHS want to lie about the data?

conflict of  intrest big pharma has a cery close relashenship with all the nhs trusts

by the way there is no why about they id.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 09, 2021, 09:01:PM
more proof the jab unsafe from the bbc themselves https://t.co/mBS6UeIJX7?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on November 10, 2021, 10:18:PM
"It puts the vaccine on its skin, or else it gets the lockdown again"

Now:

"It puts the booster on its skin, or else it gets the lockdown again"
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 12, 2021, 11:15:PM
the crib sheet 30fats you need to know.




https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 13, 2021, 12:40:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7c_FHiEac
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 17, 2021, 02:19:PM
https://flccc.substack.com/p/hospital-files-motion-to-dismiss?r=nxypy&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2021, 01:14:PM
patient reactions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SobqUw7gqhs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2021, 02:40:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/11/18/swedens-vaccine-passes-should-teach-us-an-important-lesson/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on November 18, 2021, 02:55:PM
Hi Lookout, I don’t know if you’ve seen this, hopefully they’ll have drugs for people who don’t get on with the Vaccine 👍

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10215933/AstraZeneca-antibody-drug-works-prevent-COVID-19-longer-term-studies.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 18, 2021, 03:22:PM
Hi Lookout, I don’t know if you’ve seen this, hopefully they’ll have drugs for people who don’t get on with the Vaccine 👍

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10215933/AstraZeneca-antibody-drug-works-prevent-COVID-19-longer-term-studies.html





I hadn't seen that RJ but I reckon it's a possibility, if there's no reaction to the warfarin that I take, and which has been stable for most of the year so far. I'll have to see what the surgery has to say when I have my next blood test ( INR ) in January but for the time being I remain indoors with deliveries from Asda or Ocado ( M&S ) I don't mind and realise I have to be sensible.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest7363 on November 18, 2021, 03:25:PM




I hadn't seen that RJ but I reckon it's a possibility, if there's no reaction to the warfarin that I take, and which has been stable for most of the year so far. I'll have to see what the surgery has to say when I have my next blood test ( INR ) in January but for the time being I remain indoors with deliveries from Asda or Ocado ( M&S ) I don't mind and realise I have to be sensible.
Bless, fingers crossed Lookout, it looks like things are advancing on this front now for you. 🤞
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 18, 2021, 03:35:PM
Bless, fingers crossed Lookout, it looks like things are advancing on this front now for you. 🤞





You're so kind and thoughtful. Thankyou x
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 18, 2021, 07:34:PM
exposing fauchi https://youtu.be/Vd3e0Vq3iis
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 19, 2021, 07:55:PM
aperantly doesnt want te clincal trail ata published.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 19, 2021, 09:48:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 19, 2021, 09:58:PM
what the fuk is that all about.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 19, 2021, 10:36:PM
what the fuk is that all about.

Another anti vaxxer dying from covid.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 19, 2021, 11:10:PM
Another anti vaxxer dying from covid.

funny i am still alive. isnt it. ive ignoredd all the rules no mask no distancing im not jabbed  and fuck me 2 years in and i have never felt better.

and they told me i was high risk its a fucking miracle isnt it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 20, 2021, 07:17:PM
https://youtu.be/vOyB2PyRf-k
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 20, 2021, 09:35:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5az2M--rJDs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 21, 2021, 12:43:PM
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-cant-anyone-explain-how-these
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 21, 2021, 06:38:PM
https://youtu.be/zHcJd9Ka8AI
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 22, 2021, 05:04:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 22, 2021, 05:35:PM
im still ha ha ha ha/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on November 22, 2021, 06:28:PM
im still ha ha ha ha/

I think we may end up as the only unvaccinated and unmasked survivors, Nugnug.  I think it's due to our inter-galactic liaisons.  All those flying saucer journeys must be having an effect.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 22, 2021, 07:02:PM
I think we may end up as the only unvaccinated and unmasked survivors, Nugnug.  I think it's due to our inter-galactic liaisons.  All those flying saucer journeys must be having an effect.

i think it must be.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 23, 2021, 12:04:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpH3aq95j0
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 23, 2021, 06:14:PM
https://youtu.be/o_s5y9Ls83Q
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 24, 2021, 09:33:AM
Texas Republican leader who repeatedly mocked masks and vaccines has died of COVID-19

https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/a-texas-republican-leader-who-repeatedly-mocked-masks-and-vaccines-has-died-of-covid-19/Content?oid=26846522&utm_source=widget&utm_medium=articleblog&utm_campaign=rightrail&utm_content=RelatedStories (https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/a-texas-republican-leader-who-repeatedly-mocked-masks-and-vaccines-has-died-of-covid-19/Content?oid=26846522&utm_source=widget&utm_medium=articleblog&utm_campaign=rightrail&utm_content=RelatedStories)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 24, 2021, 11:52:AM
Texas Republican leader who repeatedly mocked masks and vaccines has died of COVID-19

https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/a-texas-republican-leader-who-repeatedly-mocked-masks-and-vaccines-has-died-of-covid-19/Content?oid=26846522&utm_source=widget&utm_medium=articleblog&utm_campaign=rightrail&utm_content=RelatedStories (https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/a-texas-republican-leader-who-repeatedly-mocked-masks-and-vaccines-has-died-of-covid-19/Content?oid=26846522&utm_source=widget&utm_medium=articleblog&utm_campaign=rightrail&utm_content=RelatedStories)

has he doubt that.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 24, 2021, 01:40:PM
https://youtu.be/frn3WT15Dy8
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 26, 2021, 01:13:AM
further proof the jabs are not safe https://youtu.be/gJ8t0qQ5R4I
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 26, 2021, 02:57:PM
heart risks after vacines https://youtu.be/LEBGl8MVE-c
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 26, 2021, 05:35:PM
Instead of rushing these vaccines through, blood tests should have been given to test the suitability for each patient and look for these thrombocytes, or at least go through a person's medical notes beforehand.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 26, 2021, 06:06:PM
heart risks after vacines https://youtu.be/LEBGl8MVE-c

Hey nutnut you take care the new Botswana variant doesn't grab you from behind!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on November 26, 2021, 06:08:PM
Hey nutnut you take care the new Botswana variant doesn't grab you from behind!

Me and Nugnug have enough to worry about being grabbed from behind by aliens!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 26, 2021, 06:29:PM
Hey nutnut you take care the new Botswana variant doesn't grab you from behind!

is that the vaiant thats so far killed abslutly nobody.

there hasnt been a single death reorded in botswana if it cant kill people there how the fuck is it going to kill me.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 26, 2021, 06:33:PM
Me and Nugnug have enough to worry about being grabbed from behind by aliens!

the grab me from the front somtimes as well.

that brings a tear to the eye.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 26, 2021, 11:39:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 26, 2021, 11:43:PM
Anti-vaxxer dies from Covid after going to 'Covid party' to catch virus

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anti-vaxxer-dies-after-going-22259600 (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anti-vaxxer-dies-after-going-22259600)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2021, 12:53:AM
Anti-vaxxer dies from Covid after going to 'Covid party' to catch virus

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anti-vaxxer-dies-after-going-22259600 (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anti-vaxxer-dies-after-going-22259600)

funny the nurses are not all dead they must be around people with covid all the time.

why constantly blak out the names of all the  anti vaxers who have allegedly died.

i mean the names for alleged vacine coused eaths have published.

why not publish the names of the allegedly dead antivaxers.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 27, 2021, 01:35:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2021, 02:21:PM
abit from global research https://www.globalresearch.ca/viral-goalposts-shifting-scientists-facing-scrutiny-about-vaccinations-not-stopping-virus-announce-discovery-of-new-vaccine-resistant-strain-virus/5762827
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2021, 06:31:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/11/27/the-omicron-variant-magic-pills-or-solving-the-africa-problem/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 27, 2021, 06:59:PM
Nutnut, have you considered Covid might just be a cyclical event akin to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2021, 07:09:PM
Nutnut, have you considered Covid might just be a cyclical event akin to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918?

no becouse i can do basic maths
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 27, 2021, 07:24:PM
no becouse i can do basic maths

Please blind me with your equations.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 27, 2021, 08:32:PM
Please blind me with your equations.

the spanish flue killed 10 percent of the worllds poulation covid has killed nothing like that even if you belive the offical the death rate before this allegged pandemic is more or less the same as the during it its a funny sort of pandemic that cant make the world death rate go up.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 28, 2021, 08:56:AM
I call it the " woke " 'flu.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 10:44:AM
the spanish flue killed 10 percent of the worllds poulation covid has killed nothing like that even if you belive the offical the death rate before this allegged pandemic is more or less the same as the during it its a funny sort of pandemic that cant make the world death rate go up.

Based on what I've read I don't believe Spanish flu killed anything like 10% of the world's population.  Where are you getting 10% from? 

In any event as an anti-vaxxer can you not see the folly with your argument?  The main reasons deaths have been kept low during this pandemic is down to government interventions ie lockdowns etc and more importantly vaccines which provide high levels of protection against the virus.

Why would the authorities want to fiddle about with the data?

What's in it for the government to play up the pandemic? 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 10:45:AM
I call it the " woke " 'flu.

What do you mean?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 28, 2021, 10:54:AM
Please blind me with your equations.

I suspect nutnuts maths is on the same level as his spelling. That of a five year old.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 28, 2021, 11:19:AM
What do you mean?





Each 'flu epidemic has been named from whence it came and it's now not PC to single out a particular country.

Spanish 'flu.
Asian 'flu.
Hong Kong 'flu.
Wuhan ( Chinese ) 'flu.

The latest from South Africa is now known as Omnicron.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Bubo bubo on November 28, 2021, 11:51:AM
Hi folks  a musical statement of the current situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9htLZr7DcU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 12:18:PM
Each 'flu epidemic has been named from whence it came and it's now not PC to single out a particular country.

Spanish 'flu.
Asian 'flu.
Hong Kong 'flu.
Wuhan ( Chinese ) 'flu.

The latest from South Africa is now known as Omnicron.

Oh right yes I see what you mean but I agree about the names.  There's often no concrete evidence of where these things originate from and if you single out a country it can be damaging to its economy and its people can experience discrimination.  The Alpha variant was first identified in Kent, UK.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 12:24:PM
Hi folks  a musical statement of the current situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9htLZr7DcU

Might be Christmas number 1! 

But is it true things are getting harder on planet Earth?  Compared with what and when? 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on November 28, 2021, 12:26:PM




Each 'flu epidemic has been named from whence it came and it's now not PC to single out a particular country.

Spanish 'flu.
Asian 'flu.
Hong Kong 'flu.
Wuhan ( Chinese ) 'flu.

The latest from South Africa is now known as Omnicron.


I bit like the "Pox"!!! Every country blaming a different one for it's origin and naming it as being such!!!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 28, 2021, 12:34:PM
Based on what I've read I don't believe Spanish flu killed anything like 10% of the world's population.  Where are you getting 10% from? 

In any event as an anti-vaxxer can you not see the folly with your argument?  The main reasons deaths have been kept low during this pandemic is down to government interventions ie lockdowns etc and more importantly vaccines which provide high levels of protection against the virus.

Why would the authorities want to fiddle about with the data?

What's in it for the government to play up the pandemic?

the worlds population in 1918 was 1 billon the spanish flue cliamed 100 millon victems worldwide

most vitems of it were healthy before the they. cought it.

unlike covid were most people who cought it were at deaths door in the first place.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 12:38:PM
Perhaps Covid is nature's way of bringing back some sort of equilibrium ie protecting the planet by lowering greehouse gases through reduced transportation, industrial output etc. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 28, 2021, 12:45:PM




Each 'flu epidemic has been named from whence it came and it's now not PC to single out a particular country.

Spanish 'flu.
Asian 'flu.
Hong Kong 'flu.
Wuhan ( Chinese ) 'flu.

The latest from South Africa is now known as Omnicron.

witch is an anagram of moronic
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 28, 2021, 12:52:PM
witch is an anagram of moronic






That's a good one nugs.  ;D
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 01:00:PM
the worlds population in 1918 was 1 billon the spanish flue liamed 100 millon victems worldwide

most vitems of it were healthy beore the cthe cought it.

unlike covid were most people who cought it were at deaths door in the first place.

I think the population in 1918 was more like 1.8 billion.  Estimates of deaths vary with 100 million at the top end.  About 3% of the world's population.

Again can you not see the folly with your argument above?  Most might well have been healthy before they caught Spanish flu but that's because many other diseases that have been either totally eradicated or are treatable today would have killed them before Spanish flu so you were left with the 'fighting fit'.   

The reason the elderly and immunosupressed are vulnerable to covid is that other diseases they would have been susceptible to in 1918 would have killed them off before Spanish flu had a chance.

How many of the world's population do you think survived heart attacks, strokes and cancer in 1918 not forgetting all the other diseases?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 01:01:PM
witch is an anagram of moronic

Seems the only moronic thing around here are your ill thought out posts.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 01:02:PM
That's a good one nugs.  ;D

I thought you were an advocate for the vaccine and think those refusing should not be treated on the NHS if they fall ill?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 28, 2021, 01:08:PM
I thought you were an advocate for the vaccine and think those refusing should not be treated on the NHS if they fall ill?





I do agree with the vaccine but there's nothing wrong with complementing nugs's post is there ?
It just goes to prove how things can be taken out of context  ::) And twisted to boot !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 28, 2021, 01:10:PM
There's something radically wrong with people---ALWAYS on the offensive !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 01:16:PM
I do agree with the vaccine but there's nothing wrong with complementing nugs's post is there ?
It just goes to prove how things can be taken out of context  ::) And twisted to boot !

What have I taken out of context and twisted?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 01:16:PM
There's something radically wrong with people---ALWAYS on the offensive !

Who is ALWAYS on the offensive?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 28, 2021, 01:21:PM
What have I taken out of context and twisted?






About me daring to remark on nugs's post when you yourself remarked about me and anti-vaxxers and how I spoke about not treating them if they fall ill.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 28, 2021, 01:24:PM
You daren't fart now for what you don't get pulled up, though in this climate it's comparable to coughing !!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on November 28, 2021, 02:13:PM
Mike Winther has died of COVID-19. As President of the Institute for Principle Studies, he made a business out of helping communities to oppose mask and vaccine mandates.

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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 28, 2021, 03:42:PM
I suspect nutnuts maths is on the same level as his spelling. That of a five year old.

your so brave behind a computer your mother must be really proud of you.

the maths here are so basic that a 5 year old could work it out says rather a lot that you cant.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 28, 2021, 03:46:PM
I thought you were an advocate for the vaccine and think those refusing should not be treated on the NHS if they fall ill?

hey cant somone change there mind.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 28, 2021, 08:05:PM
hey cant somone change there mind.

Of course but if you're referring to Lookout I don't believe she has changed her mind.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on November 28, 2021, 08:47:PM
hey cant somone change there mind.


OMG!! NO! You certainly can't...............unless you want to experience, years after, the abuse I'm still getting.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 28, 2021, 10:00:PM

OMG!! NO! You certainly can't...............unless you want to experience, years after, the abuse I'm still getting.

what abuse.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 29, 2021, 11:50:AM
I must admit when the vaccines were intially rolled out I was a little sceptical based on the speed of the rollouts and whether they had undergone the sort of rigorous testing they would normally undergo before given the go ahead.  Being down the pecking order in terms of priority I was satisfied enough guinea pigs had gone before!  Also I understand the AZ vaccine is similar to vaccines received in the past for childhood illnesses and travel. 

My understanding is that UK boosters are Moderna or Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines not AZ which are based on different technologies and cause the immune system to react differently in the invent of infection.  Has the mix n match approach been sufficiently tested for efficacy, safety and more importantly that this approach itself isn't going to generate some frankenstein mutation? 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 29, 2021, 11:51:AM
https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 29, 2021, 11:53:AM
Have different vaccine techologies been used in the past to treat the same disease/variants of?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:05:PM
I know I had two doses of H2N2 which was a live vaccine in 1957 when I was working at the hospital.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:07:PM
This was during the Asian 'flu pandemic, which no doubt similar copies of the vaccine may have been uses since in winter 'flu vaccine and also the present pandemic.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:11:PM
I wasn't vaccinated for the Hong Kong 'flu even though I was working on hospital wards with the disease in progress. None of the nursing staff or public were from what I can remember and it was a lethal type.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:12:PM
No masks were warn outdoors---shops. transport etc.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on November 29, 2021, 12:17:PM
Lookout, were you vaccinated for Spanish Flu?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:25:PM
Lookout, were you vaccinated for Spanish Flu?





Roch, that was in 1918 ? I was born in 1940  ;D ;D ;D ;D. How old did you think I was ? :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:29:PM
I saw quite a number of deaths both in 1958 and 1968 from previous pandemics though, old and young  :(
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 29, 2021, 12:33:PM
I know I had two doses of H2N2 which was a live vaccine in 1957 when I was working at the hospital.

But to the best of your knowledge have you received vaccines, using very different tecnologies, to protect against the SAME disease/variants of?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:36:PM
But to the best of your knowledge have you received vaccines, using very different tecnologies, to protect against the SAME disease/variants of?





There's probably one main " ingredient " in all these types of vaccines that is used in Avian 'flu.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:44:PM
In the smallpox vaccine which I had, that contained lymph from a calf. Vaccines now don't tend to use animal parts and are mainly synthetic but nevertheless are still tested on animals.

I think with any virus the vaccine contains micro-organisms of the disease to mimic a virus in order to produce the desired immunity.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 29, 2021, 12:44:PM
Could it be that in 2020/21 pandemics are likely to be more deadly and problematic due to internal and external travel?

In 1918 (Spanish flu) a trip to a neighbouring town would have been a big deal/trip of a lifetime!  Now we think nothing of taking a flight to some far flung place and many travel to different villages, towns and cities on a daily basis.  All this allows viruses to transmit to the world's population with ease and mutate over and over. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 29, 2021, 12:48:PM
There's probably one main " ingredient " in all these types of vaccines that is used in Avian 'flu.

But it seems to me some of these new vaccine technologies are based on genetic engineering of the virus which was unknown about in the past.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:48:PM
Could it be that in 2020/21 pandemics are likely to be more deadly and problematic due to internal and external travel?

In 1918 (Spanish flu) a trip to a neighbouring town would have been a big deal/trip of a lifetime!  Now we think nothing of taking a flight to some far flung place and many travel to different villages, towns and cities on a daily basis.  All this allows viruses to transmit to the world's population with ease and mutate over and over.





Most definitely the emergence of travel, particularly by air, has added to the different mutations of what was once the " ordinary cold ". 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on November 29, 2021, 12:50:PM
But it seems to me some of these new vaccine technologies are based on genetic engineering of the virus which was unknown about in the past.





Yes, I would say so.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 29, 2021, 03:02:PM
https://youtu.be/4OyFhTncuIs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 30, 2021, 11:33:AM
https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19

The infographics above -

Viral vector vaccines - AZ/Oxford - Examples in human use for other diseases: ebola

Genetic vaccines - Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna - Examples in human use for other disease: None - new technology

Inactivated vaccines - Sinovac, Sinopharm, Bharat Biotech -Examples in human use for other disease: Influenza

Attenuated vaccines - Codagenix - Examples in human use for other disease: polio

Protein vaccines - Novavax, Sanofi/GSK - Examples in human use for other disease: Hepatitis B

Based on the above it doesn't seem that different types of vaccine are used to treat the same disease.  Plus the genetic vaccines don't have any long term history.  I would be happy to have an AZ booster/3rd jab (had 2) but I think I'll give the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna booster/3rd jab a miss.  I can't see any evidence of the mixed approach. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2021, 12:15:PM
This was during the Asian 'flu pandemic, which no doubt similar copies of the vaccine may have been uses since in winter 'flu vaccine and also the present pandemic.

they wore masks during the spaninish flue pandemi and 100 millon people died anyway wich sort of proesthat maskssdont work.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 30, 2021, 12:36:PM
they wore masks during the spaninish flue pandemi and 100 millon people died anyway wich sort of proesthat maskssdont work.

I don't believe any scientist has ever said masks alone offer a high degree of protection?

What evidence exists that mask wearing in 1918 didn't reduce the number of fatalities or serious illness?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34016743/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2021, 12:43:PM
I don't believe any scientist has ever said masks alone offer a high degree of protection?

What evidence exists that mask wearing in 1918 didn't reduce the number of fatalities or serious illness?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34016743/

100 millon deaths say it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 30, 2021, 12:55:PM
100 millon deaths say it.

As I said no scientist has ever said masks alone offer a high degree of protection.

What evidence exists that if masks hadn't been worn during the Spanish flu pandemic the fatalities might have been say 150 million or 200 million? 

I've not stopped wearing masks in some settings eg retail not because I'm a scary cat but I just don't like idea of soaking in debris from others!  Plus I can talk to myself behind my mask  ;D
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on November 30, 2021, 01:24:PM
100 millon deaths say it.


How do we know that without masks, there may have been several million more deaths. Masks have a two-fold positive. They protect us from germs other's may may pass on to us, as well as protecting others from any we might have.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2021, 01:42:PM

How do we know that without masks, there may have been several million more deaths. Masks have a two-fold positive. They protect us from germs other's may may pass on to us, as well as protecting others from any we might have.

well any public health mesure that cant prevent 100 millon deaths can not really be called efective.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on November 30, 2021, 02:42:PM
well any public health mesure that cant prevent 100 millon deaths can not really be called efective.

We're talking over a century ago!  100 million deaths worldwide.  What sort of public health measures existed in advanced economies in 1918 let alone under developed ones!  Do you think they had the means of assessing the co-morbid?

The average life expectancy in 1918 UK was 48.49 as opposed to 81.15 in 2020. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2021, 02:59:PM
We're talking over a century ago!  100 million deaths worldwide.  What sort of public health measures existed in advanced economies in 1918 let alone under developed ones!  Do you think they had the means of assessing the co-morbid?

The average life expectancy in 1918 UK was 48.49 as opposed to 81.15 in 2020.

no they had masks that dident work.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on November 30, 2021, 03:10:PM
no they had masks that dident work.


One wouldn't imagine, that 100yrs ago, they'd had access to the sort of materials we use now. However, leather would have done as good a job -in fact, better- as some of today's masks which are just several layers of cotton. Still, anything is better than nothing.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2021, 03:12:PM

One wouldn't imagine, that 100yrs ago, they'd had access to the sort of materials we use now. However, leather would have done as good a job -in fact, better- as some of today's masks which are just several layers of cotton. Still, anything is better than nothing.

if you looks at pics of them they are almost exactly the same.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on November 30, 2021, 03:43:PM
if you looks at pics of them they are almost exactly the same.


They probably WERE 'almost exactly the same'. They'd have given as good protection as was possible in 1918. Undoubtedly, there'd have been some who chose, on occasions, as do I, to adorn the standard issue masks, but they probably didn't have the selection that we have, today.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2021, 05:21:PM

They probably WERE 'almost exactly the same'. They'd have given as good protection as was possible in 1918. Undoubtedly, there'd have been some who chose, on occasions, as do I, to adorn the standard issue masks, but they probably didn't have the selection that we have, today.

if there the same how an they protect now than they did then wich is not at all.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on November 30, 2021, 05:57:PM
if there the same how an they protect now than they did then wich is not at all.


I meant that whilst in 1918, they were made of the same natural materials and afforded the most adequate protection available. Today, masks are made of different materials designed to keep infections out, thus affording protection to us and others. I have no idea why you should make sweeping statements suggesting they afforded NO protection. Are you medically trained? Do you have a degree in any of the sciences? Can you offer evidence that masks afford no protection.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on November 30, 2021, 09:05:PM
heres the real reason people are dying. https://t.co/8wT6j2hcEi?amp=1
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 01, 2021, 01:52:PM
https://youtu.be/NPgRqM3Yvkw

there dropping like flys.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 02, 2021, 12:09:AM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/01/if-we-tolerate-this-then-our-children-will-be-next/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 05, 2021, 07:33:PM
dr sam white has been reinstated. https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/04/dr-sam-white-has-won-his-high-court-appeal-against-the-general-medical-council/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 11, 2021, 01:01:PM
https://youtu.be/_bOaitfjbNk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on December 11, 2021, 01:42:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on December 11, 2021, 02:28:PM
To be fair, I could post up examples of people who have died or suffered injury from the vaccine, and other examples of vaccinees who have suffered injury or died soon after having the vaccine but with uncertain causes.

In the examples you provide, David, you are relying on the claim that these people died of Covid-19.  That is not certain, and even if they did, all that proves is that some people will die.  With respect, so what?  We all have to die.  The real issue is whether the measures being implemented are proportionate to the risk.  I think it's clear to all, or should be, that the response has been disproportionate.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 12, 2021, 01:13:PM
To be fair, I could post up examples of people who have died or suffered injury from the vaccine, and other examples of vaccinees who have suffered injury or died soon after having the vaccine but with uncertain causes.

In the examples you provide, David, you are relying on the claim that these people died of Covid-19.  That is not certain, and even if they did, all that proves is that some people will die.  With respect, so what?  We all have to die.  The real issue is whether the measures being implemented are proportionate to the risk.  I think it's clear to all, or should be, that the response has been disproportionate.

oh theres plenty of them
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 12, 2021, 03:19:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Y3wrzS_Eo
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 12, 2021, 03:23:PM
heart risk ater vacines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c&t=83s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on December 12, 2021, 04:10:PM
Individuals medical records should have been looked at before any vaccination was given. Family ones especially where there could have been a genetic problem which could have been passed on. Some problems don't show until later in life, even at aged 60 and could well have been present at birth. Both blood and heart diseases especially.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on December 12, 2021, 05:01:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 13, 2021, 01:18:AM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/13/this-week-in-the-new-normal-15/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 13, 2021, 12:50:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/13/this-week-in-the-new-normal-15/

nutnut have you listened to the following?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZUZ9JYNBE
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 13, 2021, 01:04:PM
nutnut have you listened to the following?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZUZ9JYNBE

nutnut I'm not sure the above vid is the one I thought it was.  It was a doc aired last week re the pfizer vac.  A research auditor tasked with checking clinical trials blew the whistle about what she believed were forged docs.  I will try and find it. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 13, 2021, 01:17:PM
I went to a pub Sat to watch the Norwich City v ManU game.  Of course no mask wearing and the bar area was heaving with patrons getting very loud and animated!

I am still very sceptical about the Pfizer/Moderna vac.  I can't see any history of different vaccine types being used to treat the same disease.  I emailed the 'naked scientist' my concerns, public invited to ask questions, but no response. 

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/

Plus I am not sure how much trust to place in a US pharma giant. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 13, 2021, 02:25:PM
I went to a pub Sat to watch the Norwich City v ManU game.  Of course no mask wearing and the bar area was heaving with patrons getting very loud and animated!

I am still very sceptical about the Pfizer/Moderna vac.  I can't see any history of different vaccine types being used to treat the same disease.  I emailed the 'naked scientist' my concerns, public invited to ask questions, but no response. 

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/

Plus I am not sure how much trust to place in a US pharma giant.

well im sepitial of the whole thing.

but the main thing bein do you need so many jabs orthe same ilness if youhave  one flue shot your onsidred fully vacinated same with almost any other illness that theres a shot for.

so why isthis one any diffrent.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 13, 2021, 03:00:PM
well im sepitial of the whole thing.

but the main thing bein do you need so many jabs orthe same ilness if you one flue shot you onsidre fully vacinated same with almost any other illness that theres a shot for.

so why isthis one any diffrent.

Here's the documentary I was referring to.  At about 18 mins in a research auditor throws up all sorts of concerns.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/vaccine-wars-truth-about-pfizer-dispatches/on-demand/73166-001

I'm not sceptial about the whole thing in that I do believe Covid is a cyclical virus much the same as other similar viruses, but I do think this is the first time we've had such a virus/pandemic in modern history and I'm not convinced safety isn't being compromised in a race to bring vaccines to market. 

I had the AZ jabs in Apr and June.  If I have the Pfizer jab now what happens in a few weeks or months down the road if another variant emerges, perhaps more contagious/deadly than Omicron?

Where in the history of pharma have we had so many vacs to treat one disease over such a short time period?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 13, 2021, 06:16:PM
https://t.co/IzN51BuaQC
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 13, 2021, 06:27:PM
https://youtu.be/UwA7RDdISWI

heres the one to aid..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Cambridgecutie on December 13, 2021, 08:18:PM
https://youtu.be/UwA7RDdISWI

heres the one to aid..

But advanced economies have ageing and immunosuppressed populations by virtue of being economically advanced!  This population is vulnerable to any disease, covid included, and as such hospitalisation.  How would goverments fare if health services became overwhelmed and medics had to play 'God' and decide who lives and who dies?  We also have 24 hour news and social media reporting on such. 
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 13, 2021, 09:26:PM
https://youtu.be/nexIXKeKsNk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on December 14, 2021, 09:38:PM
I've just learnt to live like a hermit  ;D  I don't care so long as it keeps the bugs away.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 15, 2021, 03:03:PM
flatting the ure or flatening the global poor. https://t.co/vcsv5y4ZcM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 15, 2021, 06:55:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/15/uk-approves-vaccine-passes-and-mandatory-jabs-for-healthcare-workers/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on December 15, 2021, 08:28:PM
Did you see what Covid stands for nugs ? =====Certification of Vaccination ID.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 15, 2021, 09:19:PM
Did you see what Covid stands for nugs ? =====Certification of Vaccination ID.

so it does lookout
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 19, 2021, 06:42:PM
https://t.co/JTaPsfmKVI
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 21, 2021, 04:27:PM
https://t.co/mt5q8cEPkT
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 23, 2021, 08:51:PM
as its christmass  Doses Of Christmas! by The Angry Albertan Ensemble (3:40)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/PNr3S4Lhnc2A
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 27, 2021, 11:20:AM
The disintegration of the family unit has a lot to answer for. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/more-800-patients-medically-fit-22570564
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on December 27, 2021, 02:07:PM
I imagine this bed-blocking has been going on for a while up and down the country but with a shortage of mobile carers/ nurses the hospitals won't discharge anyone for after-care. In my estimation, families could/ should do a lot more under these circumstances, where families do exist.
It seems that the older sector who have ageing parents do far more than the younger ones.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on December 27, 2021, 03:44:PM
I imagine this bed-blocking has been going on for a while up and down the country but with a shortage of mobile carers/ nurses the hospitals won't discharge anyone for after-care. In my estimation, families could/ should do a lot more under these circumstances, where families do exist.
It seems that the older sector who have ageing parents do far more than the younger ones.


Wow! Grounds there for a long and satisfying debate, Lookout. It brings into question our whole socio/economic structure.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 28, 2021, 11:41:AM
https://fnqldcc.com/home/urgent-dr-sucharit-bhakdi-organs-of-dead-vaccinated-proves-auto-immune-attack/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 28, 2021, 12:21:PM
https://fnqldcc.com/home/urgent-dr-sucharit-bhakdi-organs-of-dead-vaccinated-proves-auto-immune-attack/
You're frightening me now nugnug.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 29, 2021, 10:04:PM
https://youtu.be/fmCeasf8yXU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 30, 2021, 06:38:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/30/coronavirus-fact-check-14-no-500-children-were-not-admitted-to-hospital-with-covid-this-week/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 02, 2022, 03:13:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 03, 2022, 07:01:PM
https://t.co/UKwCWPX0DD
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: petey on January 04, 2022, 02:23:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs

Counting Crows = awesome band. I’m going to see them again later this year 👍
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 04, 2022, 02:33:AM
Counting Crows = awesome band. I’m going to see them again later this year 👍

I'm not as keen as that on them, I'm more a Jethro Tull man when it comes to rock, with some 80s Aerosmith now and then - but yes, Counting Crows are good.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: petey on January 04, 2022, 02:53:AM
I'm not as keen as that on them, I'm more a Jethro Tull man when it comes to rock, with some 80s Aerosmith now and then - but yes, Counting Crows are good.

I’m seen them a few times. I think songs like Long December, Rain King, ColourBlind, Raining in Baltimore……are brilliant songs. I grew up in the 90s tho so prob just prefer Stereophonics and Oasis.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 04, 2022, 03:06:AM
I’m seen them a few times. I think songs like Long December, Rain King, ColourBlind, Raining in Baltimore……are brilliant songs. I grew up in the 90s tho so prob just prefer Stereophonics and Oasis.

I rather suspect Jeremy liked this song and it was very much of his time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFU1GeGFpzY
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on January 04, 2022, 10:21:AM
JB liked Suzi Quatro didn't he, having bunked school to see her in concert.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 06, 2022, 01:24:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/05/covid-a-collision-of-historical-and-scientific-illiteracy/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 06, 2022, 01:41:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 06, 2022, 11:10:PM
lol keep trying david
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 08, 2022, 12:39:PM
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-07-05T11_34_23-07_00
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 10, 2022, 04:51:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 11, 2022, 07:45:PM
the real atony fauchi https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/11/watch-the-real-anthony-fauci/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 12, 2022, 06:42:AM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 14, 2022, 11:35:PM
glenn greenwald intereiw. https://youtu.be/0N_GykdX7W4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 15, 2022, 04:14:PM
Well I'm double jabbed and just been completely wiped out for 24 hours by Covid. Purposely didn't get a booster. How is this supposed to work now - does my Covid episode increase my immunity or not? And was the only point in getting my jabs, to prevent possible, potential hospitalisation?  Interesting enough, recently I have been a bit lax with masking and distancing in a couple of situations. It did occur to me at the time, that I might pay for that.

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 15, 2022, 04:41:PM
Well I'm double jabbed and just been completely wiped out for 24 hours by Covid. Purposely didn't get a booster. How is this supposed to work now - does my Covid episode increase my immunity or not? And was the only point in getting my jabs, to prevent possible, potential hospitalisation?  Interesting enough, recently I have been a bit lax with masking and distancing in a couple of situations. It did occur to me at the time, that I might pay for that.

That means the vaccinations didn't work and it was pointless having them.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 15, 2022, 04:52:PM
That means the vaccinations didn't work and it was pointless having them.

Couldn't even get any tablets down me due to stomach issues. Eventually I managed to eat three American Hard Gums and this enabled me to have some ibuprofen and paracetamol. Just had my first sandwich and cup of tea. Going to try and eat chicken vindaloo tonight (in a vain attempt to burn the malady from my system)..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 15, 2022, 05:18:PM
whats more its the first vacine they adit doesnt work.

and people are still haing it
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 15, 2022, 05:23:PM
Couldn't even get any tablets down me due to stomach issues. Eventually I managed to eat three American Hard Gums and this enabled me to have some ibuprofen and paracetamol. Just had my first sandwich and cup of tea. Going to try and eat chicken vindaloo tonight (in a vain attempt to burn the malady from my system)..

Please tell me you will see sense now, reject all this nonsense, and not have the booster.  Mind you, I am not a medic.  You must make your own informed decisions, of course.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 15, 2022, 05:32:PM
Please tell me you will see sense now, reject all this nonsense, and not have the booster.  Mind you, I am not a medic.  You must make your own informed decisions, of course.

I decided against a booster a while back. However, I will see how things pan out of the next year or so.  I am wondering whether or not a booster may have prevented this latest experience.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 15, 2022, 06:07:PM
https://youtu.be/6GxsnsncS0k
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 15, 2022, 06:51:PM
https://youtu.be/dGLlYQuwrRo
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 15, 2022, 07:12:PM
Well I'm double jabbed and just been completely wiped out for 24 hours by Covid. Purposely didn't get a booster. How is this supposed to work now - does my Covid episode increase my immunity or not? And was the only point in getting my jabs, to prevent possible, potential hospitalisation?  Interesting enough, recently I have been a bit lax with masking and distancing in a couple of situations. It did occur to me at the time, that I might pay for that.

That was rather silly. Were you not aware the vaccine antibodies fade after 8 month?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on January 15, 2022, 08:00:PM
Well I'm double jabbed and just been completely wiped out for 24 hours by Covid. Purposely didn't get a booster. How is this supposed to work now - does my Covid episode increase my immunity or not? And was the only point in getting my jabs, to prevent possible, potential hospitalisation?  Interesting enough, recently I have been a bit lax with masking and distancing in a couple of situations. It did occur to me at the time, that I might pay for that.

I'm sorry you've succumbed to Covid, Roch. I caught it and I'm double jabbed. I was really poorly for three weeks!! Just ILL!! Other than a cough, no specific symptoms. Chances are, without the jabs, I'd have been in hospital. Feeling poorly, I did a lateral flow test which was negative. Feeling worse, I did a PCR three days later, which was positive. I'm told, although I have no verification for it, that having had it, one has immunity for 120 days after testing negative. That can be countered by the story of a woman being taken into hospital on Christmas Eve, having caught it for the THIRD time.................then there's my 84 year old friend who, having tested positive New Years Eve, had nothing worse than a mild cold for a couple of days, so there you go!!! Anyway, I wish you better sooner!!!
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 15, 2022, 08:21:PM
That was rather silly. Were you not aware the vaccine antibodies fade after 8 month?

Well like I say, will see how things pan out. I may decide upon more injections.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 15, 2022, 08:25:PM
I'm sorry you've succumbed to Covid, Roch. I caught it and I'm double jabbed. I was really poorly for three weeks!! Just ILL!! Other than a cough, no specific symptoms. Chances are, without the jabs, I'd have been in hospital. Feeling poorly, I did a lateral flow test which was negative. Feeling worse, I did a PCR three days later, which was positive. I'm told, although I have no verification for it, that having had it, one has immunity for 120 days after testing negative. That can be countered by the story of a woman being taken into hospital on Christmas Eve, having caught it for the THIRD time.................then there's my 84 year old friend who, having tested positive New Years Eve, had nothing worse than a mild cold for a couple of days, so there you go!!! Anyway, I wish you better sooner!!!

Thank you Jane. One particularly nasty symptom is a horrendous face ache, eye sockets, jaw, headache etc. This has happened to me a few times in the past couple of years, so I assume that on each occasion it may have been Covid.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 15, 2022, 08:28:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 15, 2022, 10:29:PM
well  w will know in 8 months https://youtu.be/OlSY2NQEoYA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on January 16, 2022, 09:35:AM
Thank you Jane. One particularly nasty symptom is a horrendous face ache, eye sockets, jaw, headache etc. This has happened to me a few times in the past couple of years, so I assume that on each occasion it may have been Covid.

Not, maybe, as impossible as it sounds. I had an appalling cough when I was in Paphos two years ago, at a time when Covid was just becoming known about. At the same time, my friend's son and granddaughter were skiing in France and both were taken ill enough for her son to be hospitalized. My friend maintains they both had Covid, but as testing wasn't available, it can't be proved, BUT.............
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 16, 2022, 10:46:AM
That was rather silly. Were you not aware the vaccine antibodies fade after 8 month?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/flu-survivors-still-immune-after-90-years
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 16, 2022, 11:04:AM
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The fact checkers don't like this..
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 16, 2022, 11:14:AM
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/flu-survivors-still-immune-after-90-years

Covid and Spanish flu are not the same thing.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 16, 2022, 01:03:PM
The fact checkers don't like this..

What "fact checkers" are you talking about?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 16, 2022, 04:44:PM
What "fact checkers" are you talking about?

The ones that add a message on when you try and share something. The message being that context has been removed and as a consequence the meme or whatever may be misleading.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 16, 2022, 06:44:PM
The ones that add a message on when you try and share something. The message being that context has been removed and as a consequence the meme or whatever may be misleading.

They are the retarded posts from the guy that died from Covid in the last post.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 18, 2022, 06:50:AM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 18, 2022, 06:17:PM
Should the unvaccinated be arrested / detained? Could they be rounded up and held in makeshift camps?
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: guest29835 on January 18, 2022, 08:00:PM
Should the unvaccinated be arrested / detained? Could they be rounded up and held in makeshift camps?

Lord Roch of Peterlee in the County of Durham, Liberator of Mike O'Brien, Lord High President of the Council of Wig Wearers:

You are now appointed as Chief Prosecutor of the Tribunal for Vaccine Deniers & Refusers. 

Lady Cambridge Le Cutie will preside.  Be warned: Lady Cambridge is a no-nonsense judge!  Repeat offenders like the notorious QCChevalier can expect harsh punishments, including extra porridge.

David 1819 will continue in his duties as Grand Covid Marshal and will round up all deniers and refusers for punishment.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 19, 2022, 04:26:PM
Should the unvaccinated be arrested / detained? Could they be rounded up and held in makeshift camps?

Is this something that Richard Hall claims is on the agenda?  ::)
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on January 19, 2022, 04:32:PM
Is this something that Richard Hall claims is on the agenda?  ::)

Nah I was just trying to get a bite out of QC but he  sussed it was a wind up. Tested positive again today. First got symptoms on Fri. Been tired today.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 19, 2022, 04:48:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 19, 2022, 10:00:PM
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/gates-fauci-and-daszak-charged-with-genocide-in-court-filing/article_76c6081c-61b8-11ec-ae59-7718e6d063ed.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 20, 2022, 05:14:AM
Killed by Covid at just 30 years old. People tried talking sense into her and she wouldn't listen.


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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 20, 2022, 02:43:PM
look what a fredom of info request does.

https://youtu.be/9UHvwWWcjYw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 20, 2022, 03:08:PM
further proof the vacines are not safe. https://t.co/URJ0tfQslr
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 20, 2022, 09:25:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/20/the-right-to-healthy-food-comorbidities-covid-19/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 22, 2022, 12:30:AM
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-vaccines-scientific-proof-lethality/5767711
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 22, 2022, 12:30:AM
https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-violation-of-canadian-charter-of-rights-and-freedoms-rocco-galati/5767694
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 22, 2022, 06:22:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 22, 2022, 08:25:PM
total eaths much lower than reported.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O7ugdwv3iY
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 22, 2022, 11:40:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/22/hiding-the-bodies/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 24, 2022, 07:28:PM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VpGC31PIg5PA/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 25, 2022, 08:28:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/25/cdc-pivoting-its-language-on-vaccination-status/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 26, 2022, 06:20:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArYtup2o_qU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 26, 2022, 11:26:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/26/media-lies-the-sacred-rites-of-the-vaccine-cult/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 27, 2022, 04:38:AM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 29, 2022, 12:16:AM
more about thhe foi request https://youtu.be/fXbPYBuVKNw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 29, 2022, 12:29:AM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/01/28/truth-or-covid-or-why-we-know-everything-theyre-telling-us-is-a-lie/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 30, 2022, 07:32:AM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 01, 2022, 02:20:PM
https://twitter.com/johnsteppling/status/1488430817269276677
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 03, 2022, 06:41:PM
isgusting.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/03/german-hospital-denies-care-to-3-year-old-child-over-parents-vaccination-status/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 12, 2022, 01:39:PM
https://youtu.be/Hb1Xm1uaedU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 12, 2022, 02:57:PM
https://youtu.be/S5Fxxrudk70
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 18, 2022, 06:59:PM
the wahington pot admit masks ont work.

https://youtu.be/MzCWyM4COsg
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 18, 2022, 07:09:PM
https://youtu.be/PiLZqb1Mj9I
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 19, 2022, 09:21:PM
a bit from gb news https://youtu.be/NSEsa7l6Lk4
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 23, 2022, 06:22:PM
https://youtu.be/-p1_8-jLQkI

intresting.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: lookout on February 24, 2022, 09:30:AM
No sanctions towards China for creating/ leaking the virus, then ? Imagine confronting them !
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 26, 2022, 06:59:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/26/who-planning-new-pandemic-treaty-for-2024/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 01, 2022, 11:35:AM
https://youtu.be/_OcLA0l4W44
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 01, 2022, 01:06:PM
wettol you so https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/28/uk-govt-to-make-some-covid-laws-permanent/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 02, 2022, 03:34:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/03/01/who-moving-foward-on-global-vaccine-passport-program/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 03, 2022, 03:58:PM
edwood snowon https://youtu.be/ol0QtC7mdkk
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 05, 2022, 04:31:PM
the data is out and its not good https://youtu.be/buW2CK7YW9s
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 06, 2022, 12:45:PM
https://youtu.be/9IRiyfSwzLU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 07, 2022, 12:28:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/03/07/dont-believe-the-medias-fake-post-mortem-the-pandemic-was-not-a-mistake/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 07, 2022, 09:55:PM
 oh dear https://youtu.be/-3PKp45fwms
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 08, 2022, 01:30:PM
thi eplians a lot https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/what-explains-rising-cases-among-the-vaccinated
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 08, 2022, 01:31:PM
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/what-explains-rising-cases-among-the-vaccinated
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 09, 2022, 04:02:PM
https://youtu.be/7YOD9drZasM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 12, 2022, 05:08:PM
a bitrom globa lresearh
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 06, 2022, 08:03:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF9_gnHGZTw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 11, 2022, 10:38:PM
fda insider https://youtu.be/z4QLHdvBmbc
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on May 08, 2022, 09:02:PM
look howmuh bigpharma is making.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on December 29, 2022, 02:42:PM
Will the UK ban new arrivals from China? https://youtu.be/8c9t1Z9MobA

Better late than never. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64130655
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 03, 2023, 04:36:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/02/covid-19-a-global-financial-operation/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: David1819 on January 16, 2023, 05:18:PM
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Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 16, 2023, 09:03:PM
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oh bollocks
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 31, 2023, 12:57:PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-30/bill-gates-complained-to-tech-companies-conspiracy-theories/101907020
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 03, 2023, 09:17:PM
https://t.co/NVjUWQKggB
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on March 09, 2023, 03:09:PM
https://youtu.be/PjvzKY4DnUU
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: handyman on March 19, 2023, 12:42:AM
This is the best Covid doco I've watched so far.
First 38 minutes is taken up with Covid jab injury stories, then it picks apart the Covid vaccine and all the politics behind it.
Then finishes off with viable alternatives to the corrupt institutions that rule over us.

https://www.utahsafeandeffective.org/watch-movie

Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on March 19, 2023, 11:56:PM
This is the best Covid doco I've watched so far.
First 38 minutes is taken up with Covid jab injury stories, then it picks apart the Covid vaccine and all the politics behind it.
Then finishes off with viable alternatives to the corrupt institutions that rule over us.

https://www.utahsafeandeffective.org/watch-movie
The Muzak is annoying.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on April 05, 2023, 01:35:PM
not strictly uk related but wasnt sure were to put it https://off-guardian.org/2023/04/05/no-brakes-on-moscows-biosecurity-charade/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on June 18, 2023, 07:00:PM
https://youtu.be/uWvccbb-a4g
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 05, 2023, 06:28:PM
covid inquery admits it was all bullshit.

https://youtu.be/WvWA8BUnrlw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on July 15, 2023, 02:15:PM
Another virus heading our way. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cfc75906e4b047ce91ac3e6f9e6d2f5c&ei=6
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Roch on July 15, 2023, 02:40:PM
Another virus heading our way. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cfc75906e4b047ce91ac3e6f9e6d2f5c&ei=6

I'm in my 50's and never witnessed a pandemic until 2020. And now they keep coming up with these similar threats. As if there's going to be repeat incidents etc. I'll not be having any more jabs. They can shove it.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Jane on July 16, 2023, 12:06:PM
Another virus heading our way. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cfc75906e4b047ce91ac3e6f9e6d2f5c&ei=6


I guess if the disease doesn't kill us, fear of catching it, will. Scaremongering taken to extreme levels.
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on July 16, 2023, 12:38:PM
Another virus heading our way. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cfc75906e4b047ce91ac3e6f9e6d2f5c&ei=6

i dont think they will be able to sell this one
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on August 01, 2023, 12:47:PM
https://youtu.be/cd_RTf_ForA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on August 03, 2023, 08:10:PM
the who are now admiting it https://youtu.be/hVX-jK90HCM
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: Steve_uk on August 04, 2023, 08:43:PM
I thought there was a new strain knocking about. https://www.aol.co.uk/news/eris-covid-variant-contributes-rise-114400968.html
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 02, 2023, 11:11:PM
anddre bridgen on the new zealand jabs 

https://youtu.be/Q0EPW2eNzd0
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 03, 2023, 10:18:AM
https://youtu.be/tW_5WO1DZ1c
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on December 03, 2023, 11:02:PM
a bit from riussel brand https://youtu.be/EYHPED0r9Uw
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 04, 2024, 12:23:AM
a bit more about exeses  deaths
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on January 16, 2024, 08:46:PM
https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-link-between-coronavirus-vaccines-and-long-covid-illness-starts-gain-acceptance
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: handyman on February 16, 2024, 10:33:AM
I'm pretty much over the Covid19 scam, we've all made our choices and have to decide how to move forward.
But I watched this video all the way through, very compelling viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwdRfbPrGIY
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 21, 2024, 07:24:PM
lies damm leis and statistics https://youtu.be/ThFfjwnKsGA
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 21, 2024, 07:46:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2024/02/21/why-is-the-ons-suddenly-changing-the-excess-deaths-numbers/
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 23, 2024, 06:49:PM
https://youtu.be/qBF-i42ehYE
Title: Re: The COVID-19 virus in the UK
Post by: nugnug on February 28, 2024, 07:03:PM
https://youtu.be/24YQTtXHCM8