The total number of reported cases in the UK is doubling every two days on average (based on counts published this month). This growth rate must reduce within 4 weeks, else the total would exceed the current size of the UK population. So why is the government currently speculating about a period of two weeks? My best guess is that their "expert" advisers simply halved the maximum period of 4 weeks at the current growth rate.
By the way, the latest news is that Nadine Dorries, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, has been diagnosed as having contracted the virus. She was in a meeting with the PM on Thursday, 5th March, the day before noticing she felt unwell.
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.
Why no reported cases in Russia. It is well known the poisoning they committed in this country.
In 1957 I was a cadet nurse ( trainee ) working on a ward when Asian 'flu hit the UK. Thousands died globally and about 4,000 died here in the UK. I was unfortunately infected, naturally, because of being in the thick of it and unfortunately hospitalized myself, next to a young girl of 19 who sadly died overnight.I talked to a lady a few days ago who told me she had contracted Asian flu in 1960 and nearly died. She cares for her husband now, who is in a wheelchair, they are both retired and must be feeling particularly vulnerable.
This was a category 2 pandemic and a vaccine was quickly sought where you had to have 2 jabs within the space of 2 or 3 weeks.
This also originated in China and the cause was birds, I think. Symptoms seemed to have been similar and affected the chest and lungs leading to pneumonia. With pneumonia we also now have sepsis in our midst and in Australia, those who've died were men in their 50's and those without underlying health problems, ages in particular are 40's 50's and 60's.
I talked to a lady a few days ago who told me she had contracted Asian flu in 1960 and nearly died. She cares for her husband now, who is in a wheelchair, they are both retired and must be feeling particularly vulnerable.
They have 28 confirmed cases so far.Now, 2 days later, Russia has 48 confirmed cases.
I'm very sorry to hear that lookout. I also had the flu a couple of weeks ago though I'm not sure whether it was the coronavirus. The shivering soon disappeared but the cough and phlegm were harder to shake off. It's only the third time I was off work for any length of time: the other times were the winter of 1989/90 and 1993/4.
These type of viruses sadly don't give any immunity if they strike again as our antibodies don't recognise what they're fighting against. Because I also contracted Asian 'flu in 1957 and also with age and having had the 'flu-jab last year, like many, we are vulnerable as only a jab for a specific virus such as this would offer protection of sorts.
Unfortunately I was hospitalized a week before Christmas and picked up a " bug " ( unknowingly ) as it must have incubated during the Christmas period and during New Year I became pretty ill with symptoms described as with this virus. I'd never had a cough in my life, but had one with breathing difficulties which was much like a case of whooping cough that I couldn't get my breath, and slept, when I could, with the window wide open for air.
I also had a hand fan which I wafted to get my breath whilst coughing. I didn't seek help but stayed indoors for most of January and it was well into February that I began to feel human. In all my life I'd never felt so ill and I'm pretty robust most of the time, thankfully.
At the time I was in hospital two women had arrived from abroad and both were coughing and very ill in a bay opposite to where I was. Staff had quickly donned masks/gloves and plastic aprons and immediately moved me further down the resus ward. I swear to this day it was this virus !! It's a killer.
I'm living like a hermit presently but have everything I need and just using common sense which is all you can do.
You'll have to take care Steve being amongst the pupils.
I'm very sorry to hear that lookout. I also had the flu a couple of weeks ago though I'm not sure whether it was the coronavirus. The shivering soon disappeared but the cough and phlegm were harder to shake off. It's only the third time I was off work for any length of time: the other times were the winter of 1989/90 and 1993/4.
I suppose this "herd immunity" approach has been recommended by the top advisors, though it seems rather harsh as I would have thought the young and fit are placed better to shake it off rather than the old and vulnerable.
Hi Lookout so sorry you have been so ill. Keep safe. X
Needless to say although I'm fit enough for my years, that bout of " whatever " left its mark in that my walking distance hasn't been the same up to now but it will hopefully improve as the weather warms up.
It was definitely a chest infection of sorts, something I'd never had since 1957, but I suppose with me being older it hit me more so.
I was actually only in hospital for 6 hours while being stabilized for a rapid heartbeat ( A/F ) and underwent a series of tests all of which were normal----thank goodness, but still a scary time.
I was never off sick at work and used to get a yearly bonus at work ( NHS ) for attendance.
The " herd immunity " was practiced years ago when childhood diseases were in progress. If the kid next door had chickenpox we were all allowed to play together. Measles and mumps the same. German measles too.
Guess who didn't catch chickenpox ? I remained a carrier but had a shingles jab last year to be on the safe side.
i think theres somthing wrong with the test its ethere givingfalse postives or false neativesI don't like the idea of someone sticking a tube up your nostril. I think I'd prefer blood to be drawn.
well nadine dorris had it so how nobody else in the cabnit has got it she must of breathed on them at somtime ethere some of them have got and been wongly given the all clear or she never had it in the first place.Cant stand that woman but believe her mother had it too.
That's been in the news, yes. It's thought that it's possible to pass on the virus before having any symptoms. However, I would think it's much more likely to be passed on while symptoms exist.
but how did nadine test postive and the rest of the cabnittexst negative how come trump tested negative for it after shaking hands with somone who had it.
im not talking about not having symptoms they actully tested negative.
Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/03/19/what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-silent-spreaders/?ncid=webmail
Some people are asymptomatic to the virus. Those are probably the ones who pass it the most.
I live in a house with two teenagers. Neither of them could give a monkeys about the advice regarding washing their hands or catching sneezes in tissue and then washing their hands. There are probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of teenagers who hold this level of disregard on Coronavirus. It occurred to me that no matter how much I wash my own hands or use floor wipes on every single thing that is handled in some way or form in the house, it's all probably for nothing. Any disinfecting is quickly undone by teenage casual disregard.
I live in a house with two teenagers.Do you have a room or garage that can be used as an isolation unit?
Show them this video.
https://vimeo.com/398334975 (https://vimeo.com/398334975)
My last outing was to Asda last week ( Wed ) nowhere else since and I'm staying put.Good for you Lookout!
Bondi beach is swamped with people enjoying 32 degree heat !?Sorted.
What on earth is going on in Italy ? Over 3,000 deaths.
this resarch is new so cant be taken as fact.
but looks promising. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v2
Not sure what is going on but the UK has a experienced roughly a tenfold decrease in new deaths, over the last 24 hours, compared with the prev 24 hours. It has gone from having the fifth highest rate of new deaths to the 19th highest rate of new deaths.
https://youtu.be/myJONz-1cME
were are yu getin your figures from roch
miht be the fact the testin kits are giving out false postives,
From here Nuggsy.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
. . . there is no good news on new deaths in UK!Total deaths will rise in the short term, easily reaching 1000 within a few days, but the rate of increase will soon drop dramatically (edit: there's a hint of this already - it may take a week, rather than a few days, for 1000 to be reached). If it didn't, the entire UK population would be dead within a few months, which is definitely not going to happen.
Damn. 4800 dead in Italy. :(
13,000 deaths so far. :(
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.
Interferon alpha-2b, which is presumably the Cuban drug you mentioned, is not a vaccine. I agree with some things you have posted, nugnug, but vaccines very seldom cause death. They are sometimes not as effective as information supplied by their manufacturers suggests, but causing death is another matter altogether.
i notice theres not that many deaths in germany i wonder thats becouse the calculating the stats properly.
They should have tested far more and tracked down the source of the virus in every separate country. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened-the-coronavirus-curve/ar-BB11AJwA?ocid=spartanntp
https://www.voltairenet.org/article209501.html
The author of that article is a conspiracy loon with no medical credentials.
i know but he is qauting what the world health rgnisation actully said if you read it carefully.
No he isn't.
read it.
Nearly 11 thousand UK cases in total two days from now, and possibly 20 thousand by next Monday, but it could have been a lot higher. By next Monday, there may have been over a thousand more deaths, after the total reaching 1 thousand next weekend.
. . . the WHO say we are testing enough . . .Do you have a link for that? Are they referring to the UK or countries in general?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/24/hope-havent-overreacted-coronavirus-wrecked-grandsons-future/#commentsI don't see what else they could do, given that they haven't yet discovered a vaccine.
Did anyone experience any of the symptoms, (fever and/or repetitive dry cough) in Nov / Dec / Jan?I had a mild flu with phlegm, which I was told is not one of the symptoms of the coronavirus.
Only 37.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152623/Deputy-British-ambassador-Hungary-dies-contracting-coronavirus.html)
I don't see what else they could do, given that they haven't yet discovered a vaccine.There are various things that could be done.
Grim new deaths total today. 181 last time I checked. That's 66 up from yesterday's 115.
this the anul number of flue deaths for the usa.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Influenza has a mortality rate of 0.1%. The mortality rate for Coronaviruses is around 5 to 10%.
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919. The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919. The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?Awful Roch and everyone is someone’s parent or child etc. They aren’t just numbers.
The Italy new deaths rate for today is eye popping. It was 919. The cumulative impact of that number of deaths each day, over a long period of time - how would you describe it?
read the stats on flue deaths in italy in 2015 they had high death rate the then higher than the rest of the eu.They have the oldest population demographic in Europe. Germany comes second but because like the UK the elderly tend not to live with the extended family the virus may have become more contained. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-germany-cases-death-toll-italy-spain-bavaria-lockdown-a9424591.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
acording to this guy the death rate is rate is 0.5 percent.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-strictly-by-the-numbers-the-coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/#comments
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8160809/How-coronavirus-deniers-using-Facebook-WhatsApp-YouTube-spread-misinformation.html)
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/ (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/coronavirus-deniers-are-real-even-if-their-message-isnt/)
Stop spreading disinformation before you end up getting someone killed.Anything constructive to offer?
Anything constructive to offer?
https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers (https://blogs.webmd.com/webmd-doctors/20200318/how-a-doctor-responds-to-covid-19-deniers)That response doesn't score highly for rationality. She initially comes out with "it’s critically important for us all to be on the same page". What exactly does that mean? One sentence states there is no treatment for COVID-19, but the next says how many patients are admitted to hospital for treatment for shortness of breath (a common symptom of COVID-19), so there is treatment available for the symptoms. That's not vastly different from treating influenza, especially if the patient hasn't been vaccinated. Also, it asserts the mortality for COVID-19 is high, then immediately states that it's between 1% and 3%, but how is that known? It's admitted in the following paragraph that due to shortage of testing, it isn't known how many people have been affected, so how is the mortality known? Also, the eventual health problems caused by social distancing and consequential economic problems aren't considered at all. The response acknowledges that what really seems to be protective is youth, so why close the schools that young people attend? What is known about mortality for such young people?
In a strange twist of fate, it seems the first coronavirus patient to be infected in the UK is from Haslemere -the very place we used for our 2018 citizen science experiment: the BBC Pandemic.https://twitter.com/FryRsquared/status/1234491909470638083
One sentence states there is no treatment for COVID-19, but the next says how many patients are admitted to hospital for treatment for shortness of breath (a common symptom of COVID-19), so there is treatment available for the symptoms.
Also, it asserts the mortality for COVID-19 is high, then immediately states that it's between 1% and 3%, but how is that known?
The response acknowledges that what really seems to be protective is youth, so why close the schools that young people attend?
That response doesn't score highly for rationality.
No, it states that it has no "established treatments" contrary to the flu having licensed antiviral drugs and vaccines. Doctors having experience in treating flu.You're misquoting. The article states "Flu has established treatments; COVID-19 does not." However, it doesn't state that "established" refers to approved drugs, doesn't mention antiviral drugs as a treatment for influenza, and though it goes on to mention vaccines, influenza vaccines aren't a treatment, they're a preventative measure. In any case, it's clear that the sentence I referred to is the later sentence, "With COVID-19 we don’t have a treatment." That sentence doesn't use "established". Treatments such as providing extra oxygen (and use of various kinds of apparatus to assist breathing), giving paracetamol to reduce fever, etc., for specific symptoms, are available, and are used.
It's called an estimate.Again, you're misquoting. The article doesn't use the word "estimate". It states "the mortality for COVID-19 is high. It’s between 1-3% compared to the flu which is 0.1%."
So they don't take the virus home with them and expose their parents etc.There's something in that, but the article doesn't give that reason, and that reason doesn't justify closing boarding schools.
Perhaps it's more your lack of comprehension/critical thinking?No such lack. There's more guff in the article that I could have drawn attention to.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/23/scientists-effects-coronavirus-children-studies-carriers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
theres no evdence that children spread it.
Do you even read the articles you post and comment on?
“ Crucially, although the majority of younger people and children will develop symptoms little worse than flu, they could be invisible carriers of the virus – and play a key role in its spread.”
” Every school day, children congregate en masse, often in close proximity, and then return home, taking with them any new infection they’ve picked up. ”
😂
In your Vox Political link, one finds the assertion that the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to a certain group of particularly at risk people, which is nonsense.
it doesn't say they're being refused NHS treatment; it says they're being left in their homes to fend for themselves when the government promised they would be looked after.It separately (and untruthfully) gives the statement below (quoted exactly).
I think the government wants to avoid panic. But healthcare professionals will find a way of speaking out anonymously if they feel the need.
It separately (and untruthfully) gives the statement below (quoted exactly).As far as I am aware the government does not have the authority to tell anyone in the NHS who should or should not be treated. It is for doctors to decide on any individual’s treatment and the aim is always to preserve life. ‘Do not resuscitate’ is a treatment which has been agreed, when resuscitation will serve no purpose but more likely cause unnecessary suffering to the patient.
Remember: the government has ordered the NHS to deny coronavirus treatment to anybody with the disabilities in its list, if they contract it.
It's interesting to note that one of the reasons given for the "lockdown" was to "flatten the curve" and hence reduce the pressure on the NHS. Now, though, we're being told to obey the new rules strictly, so as to "reach the other side of the peak" sooner. However, a likely consequence of the "lockdown", in addition to "flattening the curve", is that both the "peak" and "the other side of the peak" occur later, not sooner.
Please, be cautious, don't believe everything those in so called power are trying desperately hard to make us (the public believe), - my personal opinion is that we should not, and there is no need for the public at large to all be on lockdown!
Neither, you, me, or them, will die under the banner of this 'Covid - 19' by simply being outside in the open (fresh air).However, the distancing advice the public are being given should be strictly adhered to...
Lockdown, in the current climate, is detrimental to the mental health of the worlds population(s)..
There is a known cure, but it has consequences for patient to patient - the virus can be eliminated within two to three days (at a cost)...
im not sure about dr shiva was intresting.I think short term we have to develop the vaccine. Afterwards we can start to address the concerns Dr. Shiva raises.
https://youtu.be/Pxi3rXZccpg
I think short term we have to develop the vaccine. Afterwards we can start to address the concerns Dr. Shiva raises.
"Dr. Shiva" is not a medical doctor and is an outright clown.He may nevertheless be right about many of the points he raises. We don't know enough about genetically-modified soy, I'm quite sure there will be 300 million diabetics in India in a few years along with a huge increase in Western countries due to poor diet and obesity.
Ayyadurai, or “Dr. Shiva” as his fans call him, is a controversial scientist and long-shot Massachusetts Senate candidate who is pushing a variety of claims that range from dubious to medically disputed to outright false. He has argued that a strict vitamin regimen can prevent and treat the coronavirus—an unsubstantiated view at odds with the medical community and existing research. And he claims Fauci is a deep-state plant hellbent on “forced and mandatory vaccines” to support “Big Pharma”—a claim for which there is no evidence.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fire-fauci-anti-vaxxers)
During the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic Ayyadurai used social media to spread various conspiracy theories and misinformation about the pandemic. In January 2020 he claimed that the coronavirus was patented by the Pirbright Institute, but the patent he referenced relates to avian coronavirus, which infects birds, not SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the pandemic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation)
He may nevertheless be right about many of the points he raises. We don't know enough about genetically-modified soy, I'm quite sure there will be 300 million diabetics in India in a few years along with a huge increase in Western countries due to poor diet and obesity.
He claims to have invented E-mail 20 years after E-mail was first invented. lol
"The U.S. Government has not recognized him as the inventor of email and he did not win the Westinghouse Science Talent Search for his program. Electronic mail services were widely used in the 1960s and 1970s and were commercially available long before 1980. To substantiate his claim to be the "inventor of email" Ayyadurai would have to show that no electronic mail system was produced prior to 1980, and so he has recently created an absurdly specific and historically inaccurate definition of electronic mail designed to exclude earlier systems. Ayyadurai has not even been able to show that he was the first to contract “electronic mail” to “email” or “e-mail” – his first documented use is in 1981 whereas the Oxford English Dictionary shows a newspaper usage in 1979. Despite Ayyadurai’s energetic public relations campaign, which presents him as the victim of a racist conspiracy financed by corporate interests, he has not received support from any credible experts in email technology or the history of information technology. His claims have been widely debunked by technology bloggers and articles based on them have been retracted by the Washington Post and the Huffington Post."
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/flu-misinformation-and-coronavirus-fears-my-letter-to-dr-sanjay-gupta/
That is another guy with no medical credentials spreading pseudoscientific misinformation.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/health/vaccines-kennedy-measles.html)
You fall for it every time.
From that article: "And yet there has never been a better time to visit A&E for prompt treatment."
Someone I know of (indirectly) had to go into hospital for prompt treatment. They caught COVID-19 there and died.
Men more at risk: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-hits-men-harder-evidence-risk
and what if china doesnt want to pay up what the hell are they going to do about it.China should cough up.
daily deaths not as many as has been cliamed. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
According to that, the daily death is actually more than what is claimed.
"These figures do not include deaths outside hospital, such as those in care homes."
hospitals providing the data are under significant operational pressure. This means that the totals reported at 5pm on each day may not include all deaths that occurred on that day or on recent prior days.
Once again you have not read the article properly.
China should cough up.
Over the last few days, the reported numbers of positive tests for COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly higher than expected, yet the reported numbers of deaths related to COVID-19 in the UK have been slightly lower than expected. This doesn't seem to make much sense, but may reflect an increase in testing, combined with either better treatment of those severely affected or different procedures for recording deaths.
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why is the government always telling us the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?
There are 6 more supposed symptoms of the coronavirus that people are supposed to take into consideration now.
At this rate everyone will be turned into a raving hypochondriac.
We need to know the truth and I suspect that we are not being told the whole truth?
Why is the government always telling us the number of deaths but for some reason refrain from informing us of the 1000s of people who have recovered from this virus. If you do your own research think you will discover that the number of those who recover far exceeds those who die.
It is almost as if the government want to instil within us a spirit of fear?
over somthing thats less virlunt than flue acording the who id like to see how they get on they get on with that.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200331092221/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza
From the link you posted -
"Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%."
Do you actually know how to read? ???
the also say that transmission is not airbourne
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1473309907700294
https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations
That first link is an article about a different virus and it was written thirteen years ago. COVID-19 didn't even exist when that was written.
The second link states -
"In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances"
Clearly, you cannot read.
theyve downraded the number of deaths now.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
The article does not say that.
I think you need to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWiPxzmBy9A)
Here is another video to help nugnug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)
Not stopping, just wanted to say that I hope everyone is OK and take care!
Here is another video to help nugnug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBiPyirG-A)
And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)
And another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZOIl0VCrco)
Once nugnug has done that, he can move onto the more advanced teletubbie videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW16cUXJNg4)
can you rufute anything ive said it would appear not.
we were waaiting for you to say somtin constructive.
Why would I need to refute anything when your own links are refuting what you are saying? ???
you dident actuly read them did you.
The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.
Its you that is not reading them.
i never said it was les deadly than flue i said more people die of common flue as far as deadlness is concerned there about the same and theres umpteen experts that agrea with that statement.
nearly ever doctor has actully done tests agreas with that statment.
The other day you claimed COVID-19 was less dangerous that the flu and gave a source showing COVID-19 was 35 times more fatal than the flu. Hence you refuted your own statement.
Its you that is not reading them.
my sources dont all agrea with each other on everything that is genraly normal.
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.
Some time in the future we will learn that this infection was man made. In my opinion this was an attempt to blame China for the pandemic.
The chinese have been eating the same food for generations.
Trump hates China.
Has trump already had the anti-dote, because he seems unconcerned with covering himself with any precautions.
anyone seen this. https://youtu.be/kQrtd-WCjosI don't doubt the figure of 500,000 deaths without the lockdown. You only have to look at the spike in cases in Gloucestershire following the decision to allow the Cheltenham Festival to proceed. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11453203/cheltenham-festival-disaster-coronavirus-dr-hilary/
well ive got a fair few doubts as countrys that dident lock down have rouhly the same death rate as countrys that did.I'm not sure that's true, and anyway there are multiple factors at play such as how the figures are collated, demographics, healthcare, ethnicity, poverty rates, population density, travel and tourism rates. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11576513/norway-lift-coronavirus-lockdown-sweden/
The next wave of this virus will have a different delivery system in place!
Deaths of all those remaining or to have survived these first two waves of the virus will come about through a new delivery system almost certainly involving the key factor in lockdown consequences! This means that the most vulnerable amongst us, who have to self isolate for a longer period than other members of the public, as set out in the current pandemic emergence!
There is a very worrying concern, that those behind the introduction into this particular virus pandemic, are systematically going about the business of apportioning blame on one party or another...
(To be continued)!
mike all viruses taret the disabled and unwell thats what a virus does.
all viruses mutate as well the flue does it every year.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/
Off-guardian is fake news ;D
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/)
https://in-this-together.com/lockdown-regime-deaths-lokin-20/
danisk mask study. https://t.co/WSv40QxiS5?amp=1
This whole thing is ridiculous.
We all have to die. Death is part of life.
i dont a single person who belive this crap anymore who are they trying to fool/It will seem a long time until Easter.
Natural selection at work.
https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies (https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies)
the fact he had to be injected with it shows its not a deadly or contagious diesaese how come he couldest catch it naturally.
this site here has plenty of sources and debunks most of hanncocks bullshit.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/author/jonathan-barr/
Hopefully by early summer all this will be over when all the vaccines have been rolled out.
I will not be having it and I have never worn a mask and never will. Others can do as they please. Some of us see through it all.
Maybe the aliens are behind it. We should tell them we already know about Tommy Mair and they can shove their vaccine were Alpha Centuri doesn't shine.
I will not be having it and I have never worn a mask and never will. Others can do as they please. Some of us see through it all.
Like these morons "saw through" it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53892856 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53892856)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12954262/influencer-covid-dies-virus-turkey/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12954262/influencer-covid-dies-virus-turkey/)
Can you explain to me why we should lockdown entire societies, mandate the wearing of face-coverings, and put thousands of businesses to the wall, for something that has a roughly 98.5%/99% survival rate, according to the government's own statistics, and that for the overwhelming majority of infected is either asymptomatic or comes with mild or moderate symptoms?
Can you explain to me why we should lockdown entire societies, mandate the wearing of face-coverings, and put thousands of businesses to the wall, for something that has a roughly 98.5%/99% survival rate, according to the government's own statistics, and that for the overwhelming majority of infected is either asymptomatic or comes with mild or moderate symptoms?I suppose the politicians are frightened of the headlines should anyone be turned away from a NHS hospital due to undercapacity. We've already had the scandal of the care homes deaths, which no doubt will be the subject of an enquiry once this pandemic has passed. https://www.healtheuropa.eu/covid-19-care-home-deaths-in-uk-hugely-underestimated/103989/
I suppose the politicians are frightened of the headlines should anyone be turned away from a NHS hospital due to undercapacity. We've already had the scandal of the care homes deaths, which no doubt will be the subject of an enquiry once this pandemic has passed. https://www.healtheuropa.eu/covid-19-care-home-deaths-in-uk-hugely-underestimated/103989/
Yes, but that is not a reason for this significant infringement of your and my civil liberties, and we must remember what the government themselves say: that a large majority of infected people are believed to be asymptomatic carriers or suffer only mild symptoms. Those suffering harsher symptoms are statistically tiny in number and mostly have co-morbidities or are elderly or both, meaning they would have had medical problems anyway. In a scenario without any public health restrictions, hospitalisations would not have put a strain on the NHS greater than that suffered in any other year. Thus, we are still left with the question of why all these restrictions are being imposed. If what you say has any basis - that politicians were just scared of newspaper and media headlines - then they are weak and stupid, but I am not sure it is just that because the scale and intensity of these restrictions goes far beyond what could be considered precautionary.Well people sheltered in care homes weren't doing any harm, yet seem to have borne the brunt. Does it follow from this that the caregivers were slipshod in their personal hygiene habits and have unwittingly transmitted the virus to the most vulnerable section of society? My area has just entered Tier 4 and thank God it has, or hundreds of lager louts would be thronging the streets, the virus roaming rampant and increasing the pressure on the NHS, which might well have to cope with an influenza epidemic this winter alongside.
That's before we go into the whole medical premise. If we accept the starting point that there is a virus, then by shielding people from an ordinary illness the authorities are doing no good because isolation, quarantining and distancing undermines the effectiveness of the natural immune system, as does inoculation. This isn't HIV or cancer, or even chicken pox.
Well people sheltered in care homes weren't doing any harm, yet seem to have borne the brunt. Does it follow from this that the caregivers were slipshod in their personal hygiene habits and have unwittingly transmitted the virus to the most vulnerable section of society? My area has just entered Tier 4 and thank God it has, or hundreds of lager louts would be thronging the streets, the virus roaming rampant and increasing the pressure on the NHS, which might well have to cope with an influenza epidemic this winter alongside.
Don't I have the right to go about my business uninfected, just as you may have the right not to wear a face mask if you so choose?
The argument is that without face coverings the weakest go to the wall first.
By the way, I hope after this pandemic has passed the cleaning stations will remain in place and as a user of public transport people will show more restraint in their sanitary habits whilst riding thereon.
I should be able to walk around without someone coughing in my face and thereby giving me the virus.
By the way I've just read this: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/12/31/northern-ireland-hospitals-at-capacity-as-ambulance-service-warn/
Of course nobody should cough in your face, but that's not the point at issue, is it.Well nobody is going to throw you in a prison cell or forcibly cover you with a face mask, though you may have to pay a fine. I feel rather sorry for the tram and bus drivers, who should not have to enforce the rule. I don't want the vaccine as I'm already allergic to penicillin, as I have found out to my cost in the past. I don't think anyone is forcing me to have it, are they?
"UK Covid cases break another new record with 55,892 in 24 hours and 964 deathsThis is what I think too David1819. It's the irresponsibility of people which has caused this virus to spread.
Almost 1,000 more people have died since yesterday"
I don't get it, how difficult can it be to stay indoors, wear a mask and wash your hands?
This is what I think too David1819. It's the irresponsibility of people which has caused this virus to spread.
"UK Covid cases break another new record with 55,892 in 24 hours and 964 deaths
Almost 1,000 more people have died since yesterday"
I don't get it, how difficult can it be to stay indoors, wear a mask and wash your hands?
This is what I think too David1819. It's the irresponsibility of people which has caused this virus to spread.
Well nobody is going to throw you in a prison cell or forcibly cover you with a face mask, though you may have to pay a fine. I feel rather sorry for the tram and bus drivers, who should not have to enforce the rule. I don't want the vaccine as I'm already allergic to penicillin, as I have found out to my cost in the past. I don't think anyone is forcing me to have it, are they?
Deaths - The government's own figures show that the mortality rate from Covid is only a fraction of one percent, and most of those cases are elderly people and/or people with co-morbidities.
Considering that 30% of the adult population is obese, 5% have diabetes and 1 in 2 people will have cancer at one point in our lives. A large portion of the population already have health problems. Your argument is based on a false notion that most the nation is healthly. That could not be further from the truth.
Stay safe lookout. In answer to the above points I would only say that elderly people whether in care homes or living independently minding their own business have a right to stay safe and not to acquire a mortal illness through the irresponsible actions of younger people.
My point, which you simply don't seem to understand, is that most people with moderate or serious symptoms, or who die from it or with it, are elderly and/or have co-morbidities. It does not follow from this that everybody with co-morbidities or who is elderly is at risk from developing a more serious manifestation of the illness, or will develop a serious form of this illness, even if infected. One would need to study the risk and understand the fine-grained variables and take account of what the statistics say, which is that the overwhelmingly majority of those infected with this don't suffer (though I accept that in the particular case of the elderly, you would have to adjust any statistical study for variables such as high viral loads in living areas).
My argument is not based on any 'notion' other than reliance on what government statisticians record and claim, which is the infection rate is Z%, the mortality rate is X%, the morbidity rate is Y%, etc., etc.
That's apart from the point that each of us is responsible for our own health. If you or I have issues that make us particularly vulnerable to SARS-COV 2, do we have the right to demand or expect that the rest of society should lock itself down to ensure we don't become infected? How does a government even attempt to prevent viral infection without authoritarian measures that cause vastly greater harm than the benefit hypothesised?
Most people are not healthy and have co-morbidities. That's the point.
Furthermore, you need to take into account how many people have survived COVID thanks to medical intervention in hospital. With no lockdown measures, hospitals would become overwhelmed and unable to treat people and then the fatality rate would drastically increase.
funny im not dead then isnt it. im unhealthy as fuck unmasked have stood right next to me and you no what i havent cought anything i mean shouldent i be dead by now.
very intelligent input from you as usual
funny im not dead then isnt it. im unhealthy as fuck unmasked have stood right next to me and you no what i havent cought anything i mean shouldent i be dead by now.
why are all the protesters not dead how come the police never catch it.
its called logic david i know its not your strong point.
Don't project yourself onto me nugs. Nobody said the virus has a 100% death rate.
As for the police, they all have to wear face masks on duty, so you work it out. ::)
have you ever thought of answering the point being made why arnt the proters dead dont see any socail distancing from or from the police.
Most people are not healthy and have co-morbidities. That's the point.
Furthermore, you need to take into account how many people have survived COVID thanks to medical intervention in hospital. With no lockdown measures, hospitals would become overwhelmed and unable to treat people and then the fatality rate would drastically increase.
The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide.
In most cases (91.1% in England and 88.4% in Wales) where the coronavirus (COVID-19) was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.
People who refuse to follow the measures being imposed are enemies of the state and the global new normal. People should be vaccinated regardless of their wishes. Those who refuse should be physically forced, ie. literally restrained, either by hired contractors or armed forces personnel. It should be a case of 'roll your sleeve up or we'll roll it up for you'.
I am looking forward to them trying to roll up my sleeve. Whoever tries that will come away with his nose broken, at the least.
You will roll up your sleeve voluntarily or it will be rolled up for you. You can either choose the easy way or the hard way. You might be one of the people who needs sedating first, to gain your 'cooperation'.
The same applies to any attempt to sedate me.
Sounds like some people may need a dart shot if that's the case. You won't be flailing arms when you're knocking the z's out.
They can try, but with me that won't work either. It'll take armed police.
If I was in a chopper with a rifle / tranquilliser dart, you could be took down from distance. After you've come round you can thank me that you're no longer an enemy of the state.
Thanks Roch. I'm starting to come round now after reading Adam's 86 Reasons Why Everybody Must Take The Vaccine.
There's a tear in my eye. I love Big Brother.
anyone rember this https://youtu.be/iV1IZVT_LCE?t=8I would like to think the general population would change its sanitary habits permanently after this Covid pandemic, but I don't hold out much hope. The WHO seems to have been bypassed, which makes me think this virus may at least have been modified in a laboratory as some scientists suggest. Does anyone still believe it started in some live animal market?
People who refuse to follow the measures being imposed are enemies of the state and the global new normal. People should be vaccinated regardless of their wishes. Those who refuse should be physically forced, ie. literally restrained, either by hired contractors or armed forces personnel. It should be a case of 'roll your sleeve up or we'll roll it up for you'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOmfWL51q-kI think this is far too complacent a view. https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/caroline-russell/34-bus-driver-deaths-show-need-for-better-health-0
well that would really depend if they wanted to stabbed or not now way am i having monkey spunk ijnected into me.nugs you must had many injections in your life
my body my chioce.
the gaurdion yet agian proving they cant do basic maths
have they heard of world war 2
The data comes from the office of national statistics(ONS)
They're assuming that all the deaths recorded as attributable to, or that occurred with, Covid-19 were caused by the virus.
It's idiotic.
What did you make of Great Barrington?
Sky News is blocked from visiting 'source' of outbreak in China.I wonder why police are stopping the journalists' car if all they might find would be some bats in a cave?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHUJQpG8ck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHUJQpG8ck)
I believe Focused Protection on a voluntary basis is the right approach.
The two things don't bear comparison, though. The evidence against Thomas Mair is overwhelming.
I think if lockdowns were ruthlessly policed, they wouldn't just serve as a stay of execution regarding spread but would actually start impacting re eradication. However, we probably dont have the resources to adequately police them, thanks to years of the UK being run in to the ground by spivs.
I think Sweden tried their own version of focussed protection but have now admitted it didn't work. It's such a shame because lockdown has been terrible for so many people and businesses. Rock and hard place.
To answer my own post in #536 I suppose the government is worried that journalists may talk to locals about the origin of the virus. Were they eating bats: who knows?
To answer QCC I think it's still too early to forecast the future, but how about looking back 100 years or so.https://youtu.be/3x1aLAw_xkY.
https://youtu.be/GIDViYdvu0UI was thinking of making my way to the Etihad Tennis and Football Centre this week to get my jab, but I've since had a change of heart..
To answer my own post in #536 I suppose the government is worried that journalists may talk to locals about the origin of the virus. Were they eating bats: who knows?
To answer QCC I think it's still too early to forecast the future, but how about looking back 100 years or so.https://youtu.be/3x1aLAw_xkY.
There is simply no comparison between the two pandemics, as you know.It's true that influenza and Covid 19 are caused by different viruses but we cannot possibly anticipate the mortality rate should individuals succumb to both at the same time. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3720
It's true that influenza and Covid 19 are caused by different viruses but we cannot possibly anticipate the mortality rate should individuals succumb to both at the same time. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3720
Thanks Steve. Don't worry - I've got you lined up for the Grammarian-General job, with a nice uniform that you'll look dashing in.
I'm afraid my message to you and pretty much 90% of the population who are joining in with you is:
Get a life!
Our message to you is twofold.. or should I say two jabs. But you'll only see the first one coming (the sedative).
At this rate you could end up under house arrest with Tommy Mair and his handlers, at some isolated Northumberland farmhouse.
Mair has been taken to the alien mothership along with the 1500 sheep.
I should think the New All-Clean Sterile Absolutely Safe Bubble Community will need some rules and here are my opening suggestions:
Every resident to wear all-white clothing and have their heads shaved at all times. Except for the Grammarian-General, who will wear the aforementioned uniform, and David1819 who will wear the trendy black uniform of the 77th. Brigade.
All residents will be referred to by their first name followed by their serial number - example: David 1819. David is of course ahead of the game in this respect.
Spelling and grammar mistakes shall be forbidden. Violations shall be dealt with by the Grammar-General and his enforcer, David1819. Punishments will be severe for repeat offenders.
A Voluntary Syntactical Code, to be promoted by the Grammarian-General in the interests of wholesome communication.
Vaccines will be compulsory and shall be taken weekly for a variety of illnesses. The Grammarian-General will be exempt from this requirement, unless he changes his mind.
Face masks to be worn at all times, even indoors.
No sex allowed. Reproduction shall be by means of in vitro fertilisation.
The official sport will be Cluedo, overseen by Myster, who will be appointed as Cluedo Master.
The floor is open for more suggestions.
I don't think the no sex rule will need to be enforced on Mythster. lol
50m people worldwide died of Spanish flu in a little over two years.
So far, the death toll of Covid-19 is 2m worldwide in a year against a much larger global population and with only a statistically tiny mortality rate - and that's on the basis of extremely dubious death-recording practices.
There is simply no comparison.
Spanish flu was a fatal pandemic and one of the worst crises in the history of humanity.
Covid-19 is a mild illness that is being hyped-up and exaggerated. The motives for this are open to debate.
I'm afraid my message to you and pretty much 90% of the population who are joining in with you is:
Get a life!
when you consider about 10 times that number die from caar crashs every year but nobody would even consider baning cars it sort of puts it in perspective.
Yes. I made a similar point myself above in that nobody suggests that cars should move at crawling pace just to ensure that nobody gets run-over. That's because we accept that there is this thing called personal responsibility, and safety has to be balanced with freedom.But it's not a mild illness: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/she-said-loved-us-last-19656454
I see that some of my posts have been deleted, no doubt due to complaints from a certain self-appointed spell-checker (who isn't even competent at spell-checking) about the ribbing I am giving him.
My humour is very mild against the effrontery of demanding that we all lose our dignity and civil liberties on the off-chance that you might catch a mild illness, while telling us you won't be taking the vaccine.
Is it a case of untested experimental vaccine for thee but not for me?
If you won't even be vaccinated, then your case is hollow. We are not going to spend the rest of our lives living in fear and wearing face masks for you.
Just get a life.
But it's not a mild illness: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/she-said-loved-us-last-19656454
I'm surprised you're quoting nugnug, whose thrust seems to go against your argument that we all have a right to live our lives unfettered by government interference. I would have thought this would include the right to refuse the vaccine if the individual so chose.
I won't comment about the orthography issue on this site except to say that for years the issue lay dormant until you joined, told a member to "buy a dictionary" and misspelled a Latin phrase shortly thereafter.
I may well take the vaccine as long as I know it's safe. There was some doubt among the Norwegian medical profession as I recall. Until it's my turn I now have my Taffix, which will reduce the risk of infection.
Please refrain from personal attacks or your posts will be removed again and a complaint made against your person.
what do you my argument has been the same all the way through i oppsed lockdown when it wasnt ok to opose it.Well if you oppose lockdown because the threat from Covid-19 is overstated I'm assuming that you also believe the individual should have the right to choose for himself or herself whether or not to take the vaccine.
i allways said the danger was over stated ive got a long memory i rember the swine flue crap
Well if you oppose lockdown because the threat from Covid-19 is overstated I'm assuming that you also believe the individual should have the right to choose for himself or herself whether or not to take the vaccine.
But it's not a mild illness: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/she-said-loved-us-last-19656454
I'm surprised you're quoting nugnug, whose thrust seems to go against your argument that we all have a right to live our lives unfettered by government interference. I would have thought this would include the right to refuse the vaccine if the individual so chose.
I won't comment about the orthography issue on this site except to say that for years the issue lay dormant until you joined, told a member to "buy a dictionary" and misspelled a Latin phrase shortly thereafter.
I may well take the vaccine as long as I know it's safe. There was some doubt among the Norwegian medical profession as I recall. Until it's my turn I now have my Taffix, which will reduce the risk of infection.
Please refrain from personal attacks or your posts will be removed again and a complaint made against your person.
Well if you oppose lockdown because the threat from Covid-19 is overstated I'm assuming that you also believe the individual should have the right to choose for himself or herself whether or not to take the vaccine.
I am sceptical about the source of the virus; the pharma companies; the reliability of tests; the lack of time to assess the vaccines' effects etc. I have concerns about missed diagnosis and treatment for other illnesses and diseases. However, I do know that hospitals are being clogged up with people who have stuff in their lungs and I don't feel comfortable with any 'natural selection' or 'survival of the fittest' type stances with regard to our plight. We need to look out for each other and care about the fate of the vulnerable. But I do believe questions should continue to be asked and that the people asking them shouldn't be shouted down or routinely dismissed out of hand.
You're twisting my words out of whack. I am not saying people shouldn't look out for another. I'm just pointing out the inevitability of natural forces. We all age. We all have to die. Measures that go too far and infringe on civil liberties are often motivated by an absence of perspective. The intentions may be nice in the minds of the enforcers, but the result is a hell on earth.
As I have said, I believe in selective measures - i.e. Focused Protection, or something similar. I am not opposed to state intervention, if necessary and sensible in scale, but prefer voluntary action.
"...I do know that hospitals are being clogged up with people who have stuff in their lungs..." You know this is due to Covid-19 and not different from any other winter in Britain? You know this for sure? How and from whom? The questions everybody should ask themselves prior to making general claims: Who is my source? Is this source reliable? Does what I am being told make sense? Are the public health restrictions proportionate and sensible given the mild risks?
It is busy, very busy. Just before Xmas there was 122 patients admitted into hospital with covid, in the 1st wave there was a maximum of 46. If the figures get higher there simply won't be enough oxygen to treat everyone. They are installing new pipelines in now and have worked over Xmas to try and get it completed quicker.
Your post above contains an untrue personal attack on me. Yet you demand that I refrain from personal attacks on you. I could stop there. Your threats mean nothing. If my posts are deleted, I will re-post the essential information that exposes you.
You started the personal attacks on me. You've been attacking me from my very first day on this Forum. You claim that you once apologised. You have never done so. Yet I have on at least two occasions, even though there was no need to. When I stand up for myself, you accuse me of over-sensitivity or you claim that your attacks are 'criticism' and that you are just exercising free speech.
You are a very dishonest person. You have NEVER found an error in any of my posts. You are just jealous and you can't cope emotionally with me having different views to your own, so you invent reasons to attack me, then hide behind free speech and call me oversensitive. Of course, no-one can accuse you of being over-sensitive. It's always the person you are victimising.
On one occasion I made a typo which I self-corrected in a subsequent post that you ignored. Instead you focused on that one typo and tried to make out that I couldn't spell the word. That's how childish you are.
And how can we forget the time you accused me of misspelling a word, only for me to produce a scan of a dictionary proving you wrong.
You are also a typical 'holier than thou' type of person - typical of an English middle-class professional type. You accuse people of doing and saying things that you yourself do or say, sometimes five minutes ago.
For instance, you go on and on and on and on and on about racism, but you have posted a racist criticism of the O.J. Simpson trial judge.
You go on and on and on and on about free speech and civil liberties, but you yourself demand the infringement of the most basic civil liberties and human dignities. My attack on you with the words, "Untested, experimental vaccine for thee, not for me" is very fitting and it will stay up.
Every time you come on here to post about Covid-19 and demand that my civil liberties are restrained, I will repeat it.
Re typos...
Hstorically, I was always poor at spelling and grammar, until quite far into adulthood. Even now my posts contain errors that I either correct or miss.
I was told that when I was small, there was some kind of hippy teacher experiment called ITA, whereby kids were taught to spell as they speak. This was given by my mam as a reason for my spelling inadequacies. The other reason I have been told is that 'intelligent', literate, expressive people tend to rush their writing and in doing so, commit grammatical errors.
I asked one of my longstanding close friends who works at our local hospital. He's a no nonsense electrician and has been based at the hospital for about ten years. This was his view on 31st Dec:
Clearly this is not a normal winter.
First wave - late winter/early spring
This wave - height of winter
There is going to be a difference in the number of patients and the stresses on the system. What your friend describes may be not too far from normal.
And I must repeat: my whole argument here isn't to deny there is a virus and that people are getting ill, it's to question the infringements of civil liberties, which I do not believe are necessary.
Personally I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Lockdown works in getting the numbers down but because lockdowns are not done properly or policed properly or last long enough, they are only ever a stay of execution regarding the numbers rising again. Lockdowns harm businesses and will probably impact on missed diagnosis and treatment of other diseases. A kind of time bomb perhaps. There does not seem to be any ideal solution.
If you, Steve and David, and whoever else, want to live in a police state/Big Mummy society, could you please go and set it up somewhere else? I hear Australia is quite nice this time of year. Go there. Please don't impose your ideas on me. What you are doing is very wrong. You are doing this under colour of law and under the threat of fines and imprisonment. It is outrageous. In the past, people like you were hung from trees.
Lockdowns don't work for the very reasons you have just stated. Your own post undermines your own argument.
The government's own statistics also undermine your stance. I have no need for esoteric conspiracy theories. I can just call up the government's own figures, which show that this is not a lethal pandemic.
It's not a case of looking for an 'ideal solution'. There is never (or rarely) an ideal solution to anything. People age and die. People contract illnesses. It's not pleasant, but that's life. I am included in this. I will die one day. I may contract an unpleasant illness at any time. I may be run over crossing a busy road. I may bump into Steve in Manchester city centre and, having forgotten my garlic, I shall fall down dead on meeting his vampiric death-stare.
Being an adult, I have to accept these risks. I don't demand that the rest of society shuts down.
Please, just get a life.
I am regularly in touch with people who hold similar views to yourself. As I am with people who hold the opposite views. I try to listen to both sides. I have expressed doubts regarding what could be termed the official narrative. However I am aware of people who have died and I'm aware of hospitals being pushed to capacity. I'm not sure what the answer is but I doubt that getting your knickers in a twist will help. What we need is sensible debate, for example from the likes of yourself and David who are quite analytical but from opposing sides on this matter.
hospitals are pushed to capcity every winter they have been forthe last 30 years or so the resom they have that number of beds is becouse that is the number of people they are expecting to be in hospital
I am regularly in touch with people who hold similar views to yourself. As I am with people who hold the opposite views. I try to listen to both sides. I have expressed doubts regarding what could be termed the official narrative. However I am aware of people who have died and I'm aware of hospitals being pushed to capacity. I'm not sure what the answer is but I doubt that getting your knickers in a twist will help. What we need is sensible debate, for example from the likes of yourself and David who are quite analytical but from opposing sides on this matter.
I'm 'getting my knickers in a twist' because you are insisting that I live in an open prison. That is what it amounts to, and I am not one inclined to hyperbole. You are restraining ordinary liberty. That is prison.
Regrettably, I have personal experience in this matter, and I can tell you that the regime we now live under is not too far removed from the better days at Ford Open. At least you could have a laugh in one of Her Majesty's Establishments. I used to drive a tractor round an agricultural prison in the south of England.
To cope with the trauma of incarceration, I can look back and make light of it, or remember the better parts of it - sometimes. It's a coping mechanism. But there is nothing to laugh about or make light of in what you are supporting.
This situation we have been put in now and that you support is not remotely amusing. It is dangerous and frankly alarming. Taking away basic civil liberties and demanding people disclose sensitive medical information to Mandy and Jim at Tesco is a very serious matter indeed. It should only be done under the most extraordinary justification - that is to say, a serious crime committed and proved following a fair trial, or a lethal pandemic in which people are dropping dead left-right-and-centre, or something of that order.
I am a reasonable man. I could certainly forgive the government if they had made a genuine mistake earlier last year and declared a preventative emergency, using civil contingency powers temporarily against an impending pandemic they genuinely believed would be lethal - provided the relevant measures were only for the period necessary. If they then promptly admitted their mistake, scaled down the measures and compensated anybody who had suffered damages, I don't see how most people could have much of an issue.
That is not what has occurred here. These measures have gone on for months with no end in sight, yet they are totally unnecessary.
Anybody - anybody - who supports what is going on immediately loses at least some of my respect. Sorry.
What next? Electronic permission to leave the house? Ankle tagging? Compulsory vaccinations?
Perhaps when you next reply on this thread, you could tell us whether you will be submitting to this vaccine when it's your turn. You already have my answer, and to his credit, Steve has told us. What's your position, please?
I can see why Steve feels it's too early to give a definitive answer. I'm getting forwarded for a vaccine through my workplace. I haven't attempted to opt out - so I suppose I'm going to take the risk.
Untested, experimental vaccine for thee, but not for me. You have tried to justify the destruction of social and business life and restraints on liberty on the basis that this is a lethal pandemic. Surely it is your duty to accept this vaccine or you look a hypocrite?
I'm not over keen on having it but will do so. My partner had it today. She doesn't feel too grand.
Well I hope she gets better soon.
I had my vaccination today, in a way against my better judgement, but after having been phoned 5 times over the weeks, they rang my daughter who came and picked me up. So far so good after not having felt a thing, let it stay like that. Another in 6 weeks time.
Thanks. Seems alright today but was having trouble contracting one or two fingers this morning. She's driving to Richmond (North Yorks) so must be OK now.
I had my vaccination today, in a way against my better judgement, but after having been phoned 5 times over the weeks, they rang my daughter who came and picked me up. So far so good after not having felt a thing, let it stay like that. Another in 6 weeks time.
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if it works why do you need another one in 6 weeks.
if it works why do you need another one in 6 weeks.
In that case, Citizen Roch 7462, please report immediately to the Grand Covid Marshall, Citizen David 1819, for your weekly orientation. Remember citizen: do your duty.
Wondrous news citizens! The Grammarian-General, Citizen Steve 6456, reports that spelling and syntactical errors were down by 25% in 2020 compared to 2019. It is only through diligent enforcement that this high standard has been achieved.
Sounds like some dystopian future in a Terry Gilliam film.
It does work after the first jab. The purpose of the second jab is to maximise immunity in an effort to minimise the R number. They believe that to keep the R number consistently below 1, they need something like 90% of the population with a vaccine dosage that gives each person something like 85% immunity, hence two jabs. Immunity is never absolute; it is always less than 100%.
This seems like a bit of a long shot.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html)
This seems like a bit of a long shot.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html)
I totally agree with him that 100,000 deaths is unacceptable and when you lose a family member it brings it closer to home. I don't think he'll be on his own in suing the government once thousands have got over their initial grief.
But Covid-19 hasn't killed 100,000 people in Britain.
Aye it would suprise me if somebody died in a car crash a few weeks after testing positive, it would go down as a Covid death.
But Roch, that is officially the position. Unless it is blatantly obvious that death is from some other cause, the cause of death is put down as Covid-19. Even when the death certificate records Covid-19 only as a secondary cause of death, it then becomes part of the statistics. This means that the 100,000 figure is of people who died with Covid-19 but not necessarily of it.
Furthermore, the mortality rates for 2020 are not greatly increased compared to other years, and virtually all deaths will be elderly people or young people with co-morbidities. How do we know that these deaths were due to Covid-19, and not flu or some other illness or weakness, or frankly, in the case of the elderly, just old age?
Apologies, my post contains a typo. It should say wouldn't instead of would. I'll get hauled over the Grammarian General's coals if I don't get my house in order at this rate.
Would those who died have lived longer without Covid ? There could be many who'd still have had a few more years left without contracting it ?
Would those who died have lived longer without Covid ? There could be many who'd still have had a few more years left without contracting it ?
Would somebody who gets runs over by a car on a busy road have lived longer if only we had banned cars?
Furthermore, the mortality rates for 2020 are not greatly increased compared to other years, and virtually all deaths will be elderly people or young people with co-morbidities. How do we know that these deaths were due to Covid-19, and not flu or some other illness or weakness, or frankly, in the case of the elderly, just old age?
Yes they are.
If someone walks into a busy road and gets run over, that's their own stupidity to blame. lol
Yes they are.
were does that come from what source.
is that another one of your dodgy graphs.
well a lot of people are cashing in on it coincedence maybe maybe not https://youtu.be/5z5RPFoxSds
i see why the police like issuing fines `now. https://youtu.be/9GwTERGveKg
this is scary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hatVYkoBU2A&t=65s
I wonder how many " conspiracy theorists " and " anti-vaxxers have died ??
I wonder how many " conspiracy theorists " and " anti-vaxxers have died ??
Like this guy?
https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies (https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies)
You are posting up rubbish now. You can't inject a disease into yourself. It has to be the virus (or bacterium if it is a non-viral disease). How would an ordinary person go about doing that? The story is obviously fake, just like the statistics that are used to support all the hysteria.
In any case, nobody who is serious is denying that you can die due to Covid-19. The real issue is proportionality of the response to it. On that issue, you have no case and you know it.
I am virtually-certain (as certain as I can be within the bounds of reason) that the first camp are wrong. This is based on facts available in the mainstream public domain, including government statistics, which disprove their own case, and also based on my discussions and debates with adherents of the hysteria, including people like David, Steve and Lookout here on the forum. Their arguments are paper thin and quickly unravel.
He didn't get injected. He only claimed he wanted to be injected with it - "I have a plan. Inject me with the coronavirus. If I die then all of your paranoid bulls--t is legit".
He subsequently caught it naturally and died. Lesson learned and learn to read.
Don't project yourself onto me QC.
This is your argument in a nutshell -
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I see Perth locked down for five days, because one person tested positive. The locals seem to be grateful that such stringent measures have been taken. It is a relatively isolated city but not far away from southeast Asia.
I can read perfectly well thanks and you are completely and utterly full of crap.
Where is your proof that the case is real? Please post it up. I want to see how we know that a person died of Covid-19. As explained above, I'm sure some people do die of it.
Also, I'm still waiting for you to confirm that you'll be having the vaccine.
Where is your proof that the case is hoax? Find this guy with Trump tattoo alive and ask him why he hasn't come forward to reveal his photos are being used in a viral hoax. ::)
(https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/3gPgAvjYC/1440x754/featured-covid-denier-1605194957907.jpg)
When the vaccine is eventually offered to me in the late summer, yes I will take it.
(i). It is not viral. I google it and found it reported on two websites. That's not viral.
(ii). Based on what you have posted so far, I am not satisfied that the case is genuine. The case is not reported from reliable sources and the evidence cited in those sources is not credible. I will make no further enquiries of my own. I don't need to. You need to, if you want anybody to take it seriously. Otherwise, we can just dismiss it as an example of your desperation.
(iii). Even if it turns out to be true, it does nothing to undermine my case, which is that the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion and is an example of fear-induced hysteria. I don't deny that there is a virus, and I acknowledge that people are dying from it, but virtually all of those unfortunate people are elderly or have co-morbidities (as an aside, the man in the photo above is elderly and looks overweight). Furthermore, only a tiny amount of people statistically, and most of those who experience symptoms only suffer mildly.
(i) Its been retweeted 9 thousand times on twitter, it viral.We are as a nation racking up debt though aren't we, which will have to be paid either by future generations or by increasing taxes on the working population now. I read today there's a new mutation and wonder if the vaccine will be fully effective. We will have to open up the economy sometime, probably when everyone who wants the vaccine has been inoculated.
(ii) You questioned its validity thus the burden is on you not me.
(iii) I cant speak for you, but there is not any hysteria where I live. Everything is more or less normal except I have to wear a mask when I go shopping.
Are you actually suggesting that this is justified due to one person testing positive, in a test that is not even reliable, and possibly with no symptoms? In all seriousness, is this a wind-up? Are you just having a laugh with me now?
If you are being serious, then no offence, but I am a bit disappointed. I thought you were a bit more intelligent than this.
What I'm saying is that Perth people seem to deem timely, stringent measures as a small price to pay for avoiding what has happened elsewhere, eg UK.
(i) Its been retweeted 9 thousand times on twitter, it viral.
(ii) You questioned its validity thus the burden is on you not me.
(iii) I cant speak for you, but there is not any hysteria where I live. Everything is more or less normal except I have to wear a mask when I go shopping.
(i). That doesn't make it viral. For instance, retweets are not necessarily organic.
(ii). No. You've got that the wrong way round. The burden is on the person making the claims. Your sources are not credible.
(iii). How can locking down an entire country - in effect, putting us all under house arrest - be considered anything other than the result of hysteria?
I honestly think you have horse blinders on, or you are brainwashed and programmed, or you know you're wrong and you are just winding me up for a laugh.
(i) 9 thousand retweets and 23 thousand likes is viral in my book.
(ii) No, you challenged its authenticity and claimed it was fake thus the burden is on you to prove it is such.
(iii) I can leave my place whenever I want. I am not under "house arrest".
To be honest, I think you're barking mad. Have you actually thought through what you are saying here?
Yes, as I have pointed out. From what I can tell, people over there feel reassured that such stringent measures are taken. The implications are probably frightening for a lot of people - in the sense that a city of 2m people can be locked down because a single person 'tested positive' but didn't seem to pass it on to the people they had close contact with. However, I am not the government or the shadow government. Neither am I some rabid anti-lockdown protester, spitting droplets of Covid everywhere as I'm wrestled to the ground by state apparatus. I don't take a binary view on these events tbh.
I wonder how many " conspiracy theorists " and " anti-vaxxers have died ??
If I told you that you cannot leave your house unless for specific reasons, that you must wear a face-covering whenever indoors in public spaces, that you cannot socialise or speak to anybody except your spouse, and all this because somebody somewhere has tested positive for a virus that produces an illness that 99% of people survive and that for most only leads to mild symptoms, if any, would you consider this reasonable?
I do take a binary view of such things. I think it is outrageous.
(ii). No. You are the one making the claim and you have produced no evidence whatever in support of it. The burden is clearly on you. Where is this man? The reason you are reluctant to back this up is that you fear that the story may not be true or may be unreliable in some way.
No. You asserted the claim was false thus the burden is on he who asserts, that being you. But to put the matter to rest.
His name was Don P Tice.
Here are screenshots from him with his name uncensored. Along with comments about his death from his local pub.
https://i.imgur.com/NS5LzmR.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/NS5LzmR.jpg)
Here is the gofundme page setup by his family to cover his funeral expenses
https://www.gofundme.com/f/kfcbp-funeral-expenses-for-don-tice (https://www.gofundme.com/f/kfcbp-funeral-expenses-for-don-tice)
Here is his linkedin profile
https://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-tice-06118288 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-tice-06118288)
:P 8)
I do see your points and they are weighed in my mind, along with other views. I've just been pumped full of nanotechnology myself about 45 mins ago.
I don't think you are seeing my points. I don't mean that in an insulting or aggressive way, but I don't believe you've understood something quite fundamental.Well I'm open to the suggestion that the virus should be suppressed to a low level. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day
I'll put this as a question to you:
Are you saying that there must be no Covid-19 cases and only then can civil liberties be restored?
Well I'm open to the suggestion that the virus should be suppressed to a low level. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day
A pregnant conspiracy theorist is now struggling with Covid after saying it's a hoax. She's been ill since Sunday. I wish her and her unborn child well.This is how serious the virus is. I don't blame people for the civil liberties argument, though I wish they would keep their distance lest they become an inadvertent spreader. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nhs-worker-29-who-got-covid-while-pregnant-dies-after-giving-birth/ar-BB1dqLil?ocid=msedgntp
This is how serious the virus is. I don't blame people for the civil liberties argument, though I wish they would keep their distance lest they become an inadvertent spreader. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nhs-worker-29-who-got-covid-while-pregnant-dies-after-giving-birth/ar-BB1dqLil?ocid=msedgntp
A pregnant conspiracy theorist is now struggling with Covid after saying it's a hoax. She's been ill since Sunday. I wish her and her unborn child well.
This is how serious the virus is. I don't blame people for the civil liberties argument, though I wish they would keep their distance lest they become an inadvertent spreader. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nhs-worker-29-who-got-covid-while-pregnant-dies-after-giving-birth/ar-BB1dqLil?ocid=msedgntp
So sad. It really is a devastating illness which has removed the civil liberties of thousands the way I see it
QC, nobody is stopping you from jumping on a bus, travelling by tube, shopping in a supermarket, or even flying off somewhere. You're free to do all these things.
If you think your " civil liberties " are being suppressed why not go out and about, I'm sure you'll meet a like-minded group of people to share your grievances with. Covid likes groups and crowds---be my guest.
QC don't you think that this " house arrest " is in the interest of your health ?
If the government suddenly lifted restrictions for the sake of the economy and Sunak offered his reduced restaurant meals again---then you caught Covid, who would you blame ?
QC so your way would have been no lockdowns, no isolation, and carry on as you were ? Let the infection run rife and take pot luck.
QC, the virus doesn't just pinpoint those who are most at risk as has-been proved. Some of the " stronger" haven't survived. There have been those in their 90's who've come through it.
The virus doesn't pinpoint those most vulnerable because it biologically can't, but the infection and illness overwhelmingly causes the most problems in the more vulnerable. Yes, some otherwise young and healthy people have succumbed to the more serious symptoms or even died, but statistically the overwhelming majority of sufferers have been elderly or have co-morbidities.I did say I agreed with Jeremy Hunt: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day
Furthermore, many of the people who seem young and healthy will have hidden co-morbidities, such as asthma or a history of drug or alcohol abuse that suppresses their immune systems.
To be honest, I think we are going round in circles here. I believe my position is quite moderate and reasonable. You're the one who wants us all under house arrest. The government view may align with yours, but you're still the extremist in this discussion. You and your friends here still haven't told me under what conditions we will have our civil liberties formally restored.
I did say I agreed with Jeremy Hunt: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/jeremy-hunt-covid-restrictions-should-stay-until-cases-fall-to-1000-a-day
Is there a need for a Plan B?: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19070586.uk-needs-plan-b-tackle-covid-19-pandemic-warns-jeremy-hunt/
Cases or positive tests? They are two different things. The problem with what has happened in Australia is that, as I understand it, they re-imposed a lockdown due to one positive test. My point is that this implies the lockdowns and restrictions will be never-ending because the virus will never be eradicated.
The truth is that none of this was necessary in the first place, and it seems to me that more harm has been done than good.
"The Cafe defied ‘COVID’ restrictions and fully opened up, with approximately 30 customers dining in at the time. The owner reportedly asked the police officers to leave the premises, only to be taken outside and physically attacked."
I appreciate we don't know all the background to the incident, but surely none of this is necessary...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPn5fsxbfgc
The description under the video states:
I don't think you are seeing my points. I don't mean that in an insulting or aggressive way, but I don't believe you've understood something quite fundamental.
I'll put this as a question to you:
Are you saying that there must be no Covid-19 cases and only then can civil liberties be restored?
Obviously I'm being slightly flippant here.. but they should have been baton charged.
This is what I am saying: It's horses for courses. If the majority of Perth's population feel reassured by stringent measures and if they deem their situation to have been successful (in terms of being insulated against virus cases; hospitalisations; and deaths) then I'm happy for them. Demographics are different in different countries, regions and cities. Some places have a more homogenous population, others a more diverse population. Some cities and regions are relatively isolated, while others are teeming with populous. Some are gateways to the world with multiple international transport hubs, while others may have one single airport. Some may have well funded healthcare infrastructure while others may not. Some may have more poverty and others more wealth etc. I do not believe one size fits all - unless it can be demonstrated that a particular strategy has been successful in different places (some may argue it has already).
Is someone standing over you with a gun to your head or something, QC ? Because that's how you're making it look.
Yes, they are. I've proved it. I've linked you to the national restrictions. Have you read them?
I've given you links to news that snowball fights are now illegal. I've been watching a video of a cafe owner in Manchester being punched by police officers for opening his business to the public.
I notice you're avoiding my question. At what point should civil liberties be restored, in your view?
The man's cafe wouldn't exactly have been bustling with business would it ?
Then again, there are always those who are in-waiting to flout the rules whatever it might be.
Snowballing encourages groups- ( to be avoided ) How do you think these viruses spread otherwise ?
If you work from home I don't see a problem.
What would you be doing ( besides being here ) if you weren't under" house arrest?", that's making you so paranoid about civil liberties. ?
I would wait until the daily deaths reduced significantly before allowing life to return to near normal as right now when there are hundreds dying every day, civil liberties is the last thing you should be thinking about.
Rest assured Lookout. The attitude displayed by the enemy of the state known as 'QC' is being closely monitored.
Yes, they are. I've proved it. I've linked you to the national restrictions. Have you read them?Such a shame these high-crime inner city areas, with GMP already found wanting. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/breaking-greater-manchester-police-placed-19478035
I've given you links to news that snowball fights are now illegal. I've been watching a video of a cafe owner in Manchester being punched by police officers for opening his business to the public.
I notice you're avoiding my question. At what point should civil liberties be restored, in your view?
The man's cafe wouldn't exactly have been bustling with business would it ?
Then again, there are always those who are in-waiting to flout the rules whatever it might be.
Snowballing encourages groups- ( to be avoided ) How do you think these viruses spread otherwise ?
If you work from home I don't see a problem.
What would you be doing ( besides being here ) if you weren't under" house arrest?", that's making you so paranoid about civil liberties. ?
I would wait until the daily deaths reduced significantly before allowing life to return to near normal as right now when there are hundreds dying every day, civil liberties is the last thing you should be thinking about.
I am not working from home. It's my business what I do. I am continuing my life pretty much as normal.But you can't have this cafe opening whilst Costa Coffee has to stay shut. Vaccinations should be offered to all, and once this has been attempted we should gradually open up the economy again.
I have already shown quite clearly that you can't get your facts right about this. I have provided you with links that demonstrate that we can't in law do as we like, as you claimed. Now you say that you think we shouldn't do as we please, but you also think I'm being paranoid.
You think I'm paranoid, but at the same time you demand that society be locked down for a mild illness.
The mortality rates are not greatly different from normal. The people dying of this would most likely have died soon or already. It's all unnecessary. Can you be more specific about when we will have our civil liberties? How many deaths-per-day will be acceptable to you? 100? 50? 20? Or is the figure zero?
The cafe referred to was bustling with business - normal people, not weirdos who demand that the entire country be locked down in house arrest.
But you can't have this cafe opening whilst Costa Coffee has to stay shut. Vaccinations should be offered to all, and once this has been attempted we should gradually open up the economy again.
Rest assured Lookout. The attitude displayed by the enemy of the state known as 'QC' is being closely monitored.
I am not working from home. It's my business what I do. I am continuing my life pretty much as normal.
I have already shown quite clearly that you can't get your facts right about this. I have provided you with links that demonstrate that we can't in law do as we like, as you claimed. Now you say that you think we shouldn't do as we please, but you also think I'm being paranoid.
You think I'm paranoid, but at the same time you demand that society be locked down for a mild illness.
The mortality rates are not greatly different from normal. The people dying of this would most likely have died soon or already. It's all unnecessary. Can you be more specific about when we will have our civil liberties? How many deaths-per-day will be acceptable to you? 100? 50? 20? Or is the figure zero?
The cafe referred to was bustling with business - normal people, not weirdos who demand that the entire country be locked down in house arrest.
I am not working from home. It's my business what I do. I am continuing my life pretty much as normal.
I have already shown quite clearly that you can't get your facts right about this. I have provided you with links that demonstrate that we can't in law do as we like, as you claimed. Now you say that you think we shouldn't do as we please, but you also think I'm being paranoid.
You think I'm paranoid, but at the same time you demand that society be locked down for a mild illness.
The mortality rates are not greatly different from normal. The people dying of this would most likely have died soon or already. It's all unnecessary. Can you be more specific about when we will have our civil liberties? How many deaths-per-day will be acceptable to you? 100? 50? 20? Or is the figure zero?
The cafe referred to was bustling with business - normal people, not weirdos who demand that the entire country be locked down in house arrest.
" Mild illness ?" Over 1,000 deaths today. Nearly 27,000 registered in-patients 2 days ago, and you call this mild ? You keep saying that these people would have died anyway---how do you know that ?
If you're continuing your life as normal, why are you bleating on about civil liberties ?
Break down the figures of the deaths from the " usual " winter flu's, then see what you're left with.
We have, on average, around 35,000 deaths per year in this country during winter months.
We've had in excess of 100,000 deaths in a year, so why do you think that is QC ?
Every other day I go shopping locally----haven't been stopped once ! I don't envisage being arrested either. Why do you think that is ? Probably because I don't go all out looking for trouble in the hope that I'll get caught and cause a scene-----because, shock/horror I've escaped out of " house arrest ".
I'm entitled to visit shops if I need food, the same as you are and anyone else. At least there are no restrictions on what you can purchase, when in the early 50's food was rationed and you were only allowed so much of any one thing-----they were restrictions, just after the war !
I have every sympathy for businesses being unable to operate, with staff losing jobs and the horrendous knock-on effect this causes. There's going to be some irreparable losses.
Should we have carried on without news bulletins that a virus was present ? Would it have made a difference ?
I'd pay good money to see Lookout give QC the full hairdryer treatment on this. A proper piece of her mind. I suspect he would be chastened to say the least.
Autosuggestion.
Agreeing with what somebody says is not autosuggestion. The term autosuggestion refers to something completely different.
The speaker himself agrees with his own speech in the hope that he'll brainwash others to his way of thinking.
Hi Lookout, I totally feel sorry for anyone who has lost a loved one or friend to this awful pandemic. But at the end of the day we’ve got to start living our life’s again, they’re not only moving the Goal Posts they’re removing them now, the Vaccine was going to be the game changer, yet, every time we hear of a new mutation of the virus which has mutated about 4000 times incidentally and will keep mutating, yet, its giving everyone excuse to push Lockdown further. It’s something we’ve got to live with I’m afraid, I think personally once the over 50s and vulnerable have been vaccinated, society has got to be opened up, what more can a Country do? I genuinely feel for the younger generation, the people it’s not directly affecting yet indirectly will affect later in life, meaning the cost and the lost education. Crime victims who reported serious crime as far back as 2018 have had their cases pushed back three years, with no guarantee even this year of a trial, the mental suffering is going to far outstrip the death rate I’m afraid. People should be given a choice, people should be given hope or do we spend the rest of our lives locked up? It isn’t going away I’m afraid Lookout.
The speaker himself agrees with his own speech in the hope that he'll brainwash others to his way of thinking.
Hi Lookout, I totally feel sorry for anyone who has lost a loved one or friend to this awful pandemic. But at the end of the day we’ve got to start living our life’s again, they’re not only moving the Goal Posts they’re removing them now, the Vaccine was going to be the game changer, yet, every time we hear of a new mutation of the virus which has mutated about 4000 times incidentally and will keep mutating, yet, its giving everyone excuse to push Lockdown further. It’s something we’ve got to live with I’m afraid, I think personally once the over 50s and vulnerable have been vaccinated, society has got to be opened up, what more can a Country do? I genuinely feel for the younger generation, the people it’s not directly affecting yet indirectly will affect later in life, meaning the cost and the lost education. Crime victims who reported serious crime as far back as 2018 have had their cases pushed back three years, with no guarantee even this year of a trial, the mental suffering is going to far outstrip the death rate I’m afraid. People should be given a choice, people should be given hope or do we spend the rest of our lives locked up? It isn’t going away I’m afraid Lookout.
I agree with almost everything you say here except the part in bold. I do not believe lockdowns, face coverings or social/physical distancing were ever necessary in the first place.Thanks QC, I’m not saying I agree with them, I’m saying enough is enough, it’s something we’ve got to live with the same as we live with flu, It will not be eradicated like other diseases because it mutates often. 40% who caught COVID and were hospitalised in the first wave actually caught it in Hospital while having treatment for other illness. Care home residents caught it from being brought into their environment, it’s these areas we need to get better at. The vaccine is there for anyone who wants it, it’s not been forced on anyone, I will have it, if it’s only to protect the vulnerable I visit, hopefully it will offer some protection from me passing it on.
Thanks QC, I’m not saying I agree with them, I’m saying enough is enough, it’s something we’ve got to live with the same as we live with flu, It will not be eradicated like other diseases because it mutates often. 40% who caught COVID and were hospitalised in the first wave actually caught it in Hospital while having treatment for other illness. Care home residents caught it from being brought into their environment, it’s these areas we need to get better at. The vaccine is there for anyone who wants it, it’s not been forced on anyone, I will have it, if it’s only to protect the vulnerable I visit, hopefully it will offer some protection from me passing it on.
It is obvious that there's a limit to what any government can do about this, and acknowledging this is important because it follows that there are trade-offs with civil liberties and the needs of normal economic life. As you rightly say, we can't just stop living our lives. It's not enough to suggest that people ignore the restrictions and take their chances. If you go out for any reason, whether permitted or not, you can now be officially harassed. If you go out for a non-permitted reason and this is detected, you can be fined a large amount and even go to prison if the fine isn't paid. This has to stop.Very good post 100% agree with this, especially this part
I agree that the bulk of the infections will be in environments with a high viral load, such as hospitals and care homes. One of my own close relatives caught it in hospital but died of something else. They wrote up his death certificate with Covid-19 as a secondary cause of death, which seems very dubious.
Another statistic I have come across is that the ONS data says that six in 10 deaths from or with Covid-19 were people with a self-reported disability. Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbydisabilitystatusenglandandwales/24januaryto20november2020
That's very sad for the people involved, but locking down society and inconveniencing everybody is not a practicable response to all this and does more harm than good. it does stand to reason that people with physical vulnerabilities and suppressed immune systems will be the first in line to contract infections and die. If vulnerable people need to isolate for a while until there is mass immunity in the community, then they should do so and people should support them. Why wasn't that the response of the government back in late winter 2020?
Hi RJ. I completely agree that a good percentage of Covid was contracted from hospitals as the back end of 2019 everyone had returned from holidays that year and come winter, people were already visiting hospitals, some routinely some with the usual winter illnesses.Hi Lookout I’ve often thought of you, especially during the scare in Merseyside when numbers rocketed and I must say I was pleased to see you posting again. I do believe it’s a terrible illness for some, like QC said especially those with underlying health conditions. It looks like the vaccination is helping especially with the encouraging latest data
I had the misfortune of spending a few hours in resus a week before Christmas of 2019 with an A/fib episode which I'm kept under observation until the problem stabilises, sometimes with treatment, sometimes without and while I was there a lot of coughing was going on among those who were either already present or among those who'd been brought in. I remember covering my nose and mouth with a few tissues---which in the coming week proved useless at the time as the " bug " was already in the air.
There was a sudden panic around me and staff were donning masks, gloves and plastic aprons. 2 ladies opposite were in a bad way, coughing and breathless and couldn't speak English as one of them hadn't registered herself into the hospital, accompanying the other. They had flown in from Pakistan to be with their families for Christmas. I was hurriedly moved from the bay that I was in to a more open area within the assessment unit and it just sounded as though everyone was coughing. I was glad to get out !
After being discharged 6 hours or so later, and just after Christmas, I became ill and rang my daughter not to come near, that I had everything I wanted and what I had was no ordinary 'flu, so she must keep away until I'm better---which she did. I was gasping for breath from an open bedroom window and thought I was choking, but kept calm. Never had a cough in all my 80 years ! Sats. in hospital were 98%.
However once the cough had gone I still felt seedy and had to cancel a follow-up appointment with the GP after my few hours in hospital. It took until June of last year before I felt " normal ", it knocked the stuffing out of me. I'm a fairly strong person and realised later that anyone with a weak resistance would be finished. Never did go to the GP and it's coming up to 5 years since I've seen her !
It wouldn't worry me to wear a mask in shops, where there are crowds etc. during winter months when colds/ 'flu is prevalent. It's going to be the only way to stop germs from entering the lungs, that and annual vaccinations for all----to help the overstretched NHS. I wouldn't wish what I had on anyone !
Hi RJ. I completely agree that a good percentage of Covid was contracted from hospitals as the back end of 2019 everyone had returned from holidays that year and come winter, people were already visiting hospitals, some routinely some with the usual winter illnesses.
I had the misfortune of spending a few hours in resus a week before Christmas of 2019 with an A/fib episode which I'm kept under observation until the problem stabilises, sometimes with treatment, sometimes without and while I was there a lot of coughing was going on among those who were either already present or among those who'd been brought in. I remember covering my nose and mouth with a few tissues---which in the coming week proved useless at the time as the " bug " was already in the air.
There was a sudden panic around me and staff were donning masks, gloves and plastic aprons. 2 ladies opposite were in a bad way, coughing and breathless and couldn't speak English as one of them hadn't registered herself into the hospital, accompanying the other. They had flown in from Pakistan to be with their families for Christmas. I was hurriedly moved from the bay that I was in to a more open area within the assessment unit and it just sounded as though everyone was coughing. I was glad to get out !
After being discharged 6 hours or so later, and just after Christmas, I became ill and rang my daughter not to come near, that I had everything I wanted and what I had was no ordinary 'flu, so she must keep away until I'm better---which she did. I was gasping for breath from an open bedroom window and thought I was choking, but kept calm. Never had a cough in all my 80 years ! Sats. in hospital were 98%.
However once the cough had gone I still felt seedy and had to cancel a follow-up appointment with the GP after my few hours in hospital. It took until June of last year before I felt " normal ", it knocked the stuffing out of me. I'm a fairly strong person and realised later that anyone with a weak resistance would be finished. Never did go to the GP and it's coming up to 5 years since I've seen her !
It wouldn't worry me to wear a mask in shops, where there are crowds etc. during winter months when colds/ 'flu is prevalent. It's going to be the only way to stop germs from entering the lungs, that and annual vaccinations for all----to help the overstretched NHS. I wouldn't wish what I had on anyone !
It is obvious that there's a limit to what any government can do about this, and acknowledging this is important because it follows that there are trade-offs with civil liberties and the needs of normal economic life. As you rightly say, we can't just stop living our lives. It's not enough to suggest that people ignore the restrictions and take their chances. If you go out for any reason, whether permitted or not, you can now be officially harassed. If you go out for a non-permitted reason and this is detected, you can be fined a large amount and even go to prison if the fine isn't paid. This has to stop.I think this story backs up a lot of what we’re saying?
I agree that the bulk of the infections will be in environments with a high viral load, such as hospitals and care homes. One of my own close relatives caught it in hospital but died of something else. They wrote up his death certificate with Covid-19 as a secondary cause of death, which seems very dubious.
Another statistic I have come across is that the ONS data says that six in 10 deaths from or with Covid-19 were people with a self-reported disability. Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbydisabilitystatusenglandandwales/24januaryto20november2020
That's very sad for the people involved, but locking down society and inconveniencing everybody is not a practicable response to all this and does more harm than good. it does stand to reason that people with physical vulnerabilities and suppressed immune systems will be the first in line to contract infections and die. If vulnerable people need to isolate for a while until there is mass immunity in the community, then they should do so and people should support them. Why wasn't that the response of the government back in late winter 2020?
I think this story backs up a lot of what we’re saying?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9279767/BEL-MOONEY-dad-died-chronic-illness-hes-officially-Covid-victim.html
Ive thought this for quite a while, how come we have or supposed to have one of the best Health Care Systems in the world, yet our death rate in COVID is so high, it’s down to the fact Doctors have been given the Licence to put Covid on the death certificate without any proof. Doing this is distorting the actual death rate of Covid, it takes pressure off Hospitals or care homes because no one is accountable for any death, it just goes down as Covid, no one questions it then. So you then have to question the 40% who got hospitalised in the first phase who actually caught it in Hospital while they were admitted for some other illness, could it be they were signed off as Covid and probably died of something else. Was they tested for Flu, Flu seems to be a thing of the past.
I may comment in more depth at some point. I have some Lancet articles that are of interest in this regard and I have also been crunching numbers from the ONS site.I know it seems a bit far fetched, but at the end of the day it has given people a licence to kill. Anyone who tested positive for Covid (Especially the elderly or with conditions) with a positive test result at hand, could be poisoned by someone else and it would go down as Covid?
For now, I will say: totally agree 100%.
I may comment in more depth at some point. I have some Lancet articles that are of interest in this regard and I have also been crunching numbers from the ONS site.I think the more you look into it QC it’s shocking, the stories I’ve been reading are quite scary, it’s allowing Hospitals and the Government to doctor their death rate figures of other Illnesses.
For now, I will say: totally agree 100%.
I think the more you look into it QC it’s shocking, the stories I’ve been reading are quite scary, it’s allowing Hospitals and the Government to doctor their death rate figures of other Illnesses.
Its quite frightening that just one GP is now allowed to sign death certificates based on assumptions, Harold Shipman would have had a field day.
On 18 December a Health Service Journal analysis of NHS England data found that around one in four covid cases was probably caught by hospital inpatients initially admitted for other reasons.3 The rates were over one in three in some hospitals and had risen by 35% in one week. Given the high rate of false negative or first negative tests, we might quibble at the definition (patients testing positive more than eight days into admission), but that definition hasn’t changed even as cases have risen.
Worryingly, on 16 December the HSJ also reported a study by doctors in northwest England, showing “major deficiencies” in compliance with Public Health England’s guidance on good practice in preventing nosocomial covid-19 transmission.4 Failings included routine allocation of patients to beds before negative tests were confirmed, not testing clinical staff regularly, and not using protective screens between patients. Remember: the HSIB, while sympathetic to staff and the conditions they worked in, hadn’t pulled any punches about some basic failings in adherence to best infection control practice.
oh god the met are scum https://youtu.be/8F3AqoIgjAc
What IS the truth about Covid deaths? Grieving relatives along with MPs and top medics demand inquiry as families reveal loved ones have been wrongly certified as virus victimsDoctors are human beings too and make mistakes, all the more so if they never knew the patient, haven't examined the corpse but are going off medical notes. I know only too well how bereavement can affect emotions and I would urge relatives in their position to exercise a degree of restraint. A changed death certificate won't bring your loved one back.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9305405/Grieving-relatives-demand-inquiry-loved-ones-wrongly-certified-virus-victims.html
You just knew it was going to come, I personally think it’s a massive own goal by the Government and the way the NHS has reported it’s death!
Doctors are human beings too and make mistakes, all the more so if they never knew the patient, haven't examined the corpse but are going off medical notes. I know only too well how bereavement can affect emotions and I would urge relatives in their position to exercise a degree of restraint. A changed death certificate won't bring your loved one back.Steve your missing the point, of course every death matters and I don’t think there is anyone that hasn’t suffered emotions from bereavement. But it’s an easy cop out for trusts and Doctors, because it takes the onus off them to how well the patient has been treat and how well that trust has done. Take for example, if my Father goes in hospital and dies of COPD and they put it down to COVID-19 it takes the statistic away and distorts the figures of people dying from COPD. This could then lead to distorted figures of this illness meaning less investment and treatments. A changed death certificate doesn’t bring anyone back your right, but a true death certificate lets you know if your parent has died from anything that might be Hereditary.
Steve your missing the point,
I was only making the point that in the current circumstances where GPs may not be physically examining their patients there will be misdiagnoses. It's a shame that a member felt the need to broaden this point to other threads, which are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Well I think it suits him:
https://twitter.com/Love_Nature2020/status/1365727117703589888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1365727117703589888%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.davidicke.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FLove_Nature2020%2Fstatus%2F1365727117703589888%3Fs%3D20
Sorry but I disagree. Covid-19 has to be tested for. What is clearly happening is that people are being tested over and over again until they register a positive result - which will very often be a false positive or, if genuine, a nosocomial infection - and when that patient subsequent dies, the GP is lazily (and in some cases, with malign intent) recording the death as Covid-19, either as the primary or secondary cause of death. There is no excuse for this.I don’t get how people think the GP is being overworked, they don’t see any Covid-19 patients, even if you’ve got a cough. I phoned the GP up this morning (I’ve got an ear infection);and unbeknown to me you have to go online and tell them what’s up with you, so I was sent from the phone to go online, when I put in what was up with me, it said ring your GP or 111 🙈 I then rang the same woman back and I was put at the back of a queue and told I will receive a telephone call. Seems all diagnosis is going to be done over the phone from now on even deaths?
I don’t get how people think the GP is being overworked, they don’t see any Covid-19 patients, even if you’ve got a cough. I phoned the GP up this morning (I’ve got an ear infection);and unbeknown to me you have to go online and tell them what’s up with you, so I was sent from the phone to go online, when I put in what was up with me, it said ring your GP or 111 🙈 I then rang the same woman back and I was put at the back of a queue and told I will receive a telephone call. Seems all diagnosis is going to be done over the phone from now on even deaths?
That's not right is it RJ ? As with ear infections things can turn nasty unless treated straight away. Ordinarily if you'd seen the GP he/ she would have done an examination to see what was going on then given you the appropriate prescription which would have cleared it up within days.Thanks Lookout, I finally got a call at 16.15 today and after taking paracetamol all day and naproxen I got the pain under control, she rang and asked what the pain was like and I told her, she asked about discharge ect, in the end I’ve got to put olive oil in my ear for a few days and if it’s no better to ring back. I’ve had perforated ears and industrial deafness through working in the mines, she thinks a wax build up is pressing on my drum and not an infection?
Personally I dread anything going wrong in case I can't get hold of anyone so I'm willing myself to remain well as I expect the same or similar reception here as you got.
I hope you get sorted.
RJ,Cheers QC, I don’t think we’ve got one around here, when I lived in Colchester I’ve used that a few times and I think that was one of the first places I knew to have one. I think Covid is sending GPs service into what they’ve always wanted, visiting them will be a thing of the past it’s going to be online consultations from now on. The telephone message from reception quite simply says to go online and put in what’s wrong with you and then they’ll get back in touch.
Pardon me if you've already thought of these, but in case you haven't, my suggestion would be to look to see if there are any urgent/acute treatment centres locally (sometimes called minor injury units). They will look at you and give you a prescription. I mention this because a lot of people are completely unaware of their existence, but they are incredibly useful.
I am lucky in that there is such a unit within reasonable walking distance of me, it's open 24/7, and it's staffed by a very good NHS doctor and nurse, which pretty much means I have little need for a GP. I've had to call on this service several times over the last ten or so years for infections, and while there is a bit of waiting around, I cannot fault the service.
Finally, as a precaution, I have a private GP, which means that if and when anything non-acute arises, I can go there. Appointments are expensive, about £70.00 to £100.00 a time, and I have to travel about 20 miles to reach it as I'm out in the sticks, but it works for me as a backup because I know it's there if I ever need to go and I know I won't be having to wait for an appointment.
I think it's about 15 years since I last consulted an NHS GP for anything. My experience of NHS GPs has been mixed. They always know what they are talking about, and some have a drop-in session in the early mornings, which avoids the issue of having to book an appointment - as long as you are willing to wait. However, about 15 or so years ago it became clear to me that GP services were collapsing under the weight of patient numbers; and, another issue I had with it was the lack of privacy and the feeling that I was just a 'number' rather than a patient-client - though, again, I stress that I had no issue with the competence of doctors.
Use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine should be suspended following reports of serious post-jab blood clots in Norway, Ireland's deputy medical chief said.
Irish authorities have been pushing the pharmaceutical giant to speed up its vaccine supplies to the Republic, where cases per million people exceeded the UK's figures during the peak of the January wave.
But now, deputy chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn said Ireland will act on a 'precautionary principle' and pause the AstraZeneca rollout following reports of 'serious blood clotting events' in Norway.
But...but...but...Holly Willoughby says it's safe...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9360307/Irish-medical-chief-says-use-AstraZeneca-Covid-jab-suspended.html
oh well there you have it expert advice.
One man's meat is another man's poison.
You do as you wish, but don't ever think that you can tell other people what to do.
Nearly a quarter of registered Covid deaths are NOT caused by the virus, new statistics show amid calls to speed up route out of lockdown
We’ve just had the blame Covid for a death experience. I’ve been caring for my uncle who had chronic kidney problems for two years, a few weeks back I phoned for the ambulance about 10pm he was in so much pain, he was in his 80s and poor health. He’d had a Covid vaccination and he’d Been tested the week before and was negative. They tested him before he went in the ambulance, this was negative. They wouldn’t let us go with him to hospital, I followed them to hospital then went home. Early next morning I rang and they’d done chest x rays, later that day he rang and said they’re moving him to the Covid ward because he’d got Covid? We questioned it and they said his x rays had shown he could have had it or he’d got it, the three of us who had been looking after him wasn’t told to go and get a test or advised to, we did and all came back negative. We kept questioning the Covid, we was even allowed to visit him, in a room on his own on the Covid ward, yet they were still going down the road of it being Covid and not the fact his kidneys had given up. He died a few days later and because of our questioning the Covid was dropped. In a million years he never had or has had Covid but if we hadn’t questioned this he would have been another statistic of Covid.
Sorry to read of your experience and loss RJ. Did your uncle present with any lung problems at any point?Hi Roch, his breathing deteriorated, but mainly down to the fact his kidneys were operating at 12% so he wasn’t producing red cells to carry oxygen around his body.
Hi Roch, his breathing deteriorated, but mainly down to the fact his kidneys were operating at 12% so he wasn’t producing red cells to carry oxygen around his body.
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https://t.co/dmNIlcPLet?amp=1
Where do you find all these looney conspiracy websites?
Each year in my area alone we sadly have many thousands of deaths from 'flu. Imagine the count in every town and city in this country. 'Flu inevitably leads to pneumonia in the weak and elderly in society which has been going on for years so it's very wrong to count every death as that of Covid.Hi Lookout, strangely you’ve not heard many deaths from flu this or last year, I’m not for one minute saying Covid hasn’t caused a lot of deaths, but I’m pretty certain the death rate from Covid isn’t as high as what’s being put out there. I think the Government and Hospitals have used the excess as a means to justify in what they have done, the Uk has in general a lower bed capacity in its hospitals than average anyway.
Where do you find all these looney conspiracy websites?
ATTENTION ALL CITIZENSA Warning About Disinformation From Grand Covid Marshall and Chief Fact Checker,
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Citizens, it has been brought to my attention that our enemies are still at work trying to discredit our efforts at combating the fatal Yellow Death plague. Information is being spread that claims Covid-19 ishas been hysterically exaggerated, or may even not exist as a discrete virus. You can imagine my shock, citizens, on hearing about these audacious lies!
Citizens, this is what we call Disinformation - a method of psychological war being waged on all of us and our children!
All of you have read the scientific findings. You have all read our comprehensive information pamphlet, '76 Pieces of Evidence For Covid-19 And Why You Need The Vaccine', produced by Citizen Adam 4521.
Citizens, the science is clear and settled! In my capacity as Chief Fact Checker, I can tell you we have never been so certain.
Don't listen to the knockers, citizens! Our brave boys on the Malabar Front aren't skipping the vaccine! All of them are now jabbed.
Of course, crawling cowards like the liberal-reactionary-fascist-capitalist running dog Q.C. Chevalier and the dangerous rebel outlaw Nugnug are trying to frustrate our efforts. They are part of an organised effort to spread vile conspiracy theories! They will not succeed!
As Grand Covid Marshal, I will be leading the fight against this dangerous conspiracy, with help from the Grammarian-General and High Guardian For Moral Deportment, Citizen Steve 6456. We will defeat these renegades!
Those citizens who have information, should contact me in the first instance.
Follow the example of this month's Most Industrious Citizen, Citizen Roch 7462! Put your community first!
RJ in my area there were reported to have been 620 deaths from Covid since it began in March 2020. The other hundreds would have been flu-related, strokes. heart attacks and cancers.Hi Lookout, our trust has reported 441 deaths from COVID-19 since last year in March, I’m pretty certain it would have been 442 if we hadn’t questioned it. It’s been a horrible year Lookout hopefully the Vaccines will bring us out of it, have you had your second Jab yet? Looks like we will have another in the Autumn if the variants can’t be controlled.
The figures given earlier were in their thousands of having died from Covid.
There is no official information as to how many have actually died from Covid. Respiratory deaths each winter are in the thousands in this country.
Hi Lookout, our trust has reported 441 deaths from COVID-19 since last year in March, I’m pretty certain it would have been 442 if we hadn’t questioned it. It’s been a horrible year Lookout hopefully the Vaccines will bring us out of it, have you had your second Jab yet? Looks like we will have another in the Autumn if the variants can’t be controlled.
When my uncle went in Hospital and then put on the COVID-19 ward I think there was about twenty to thirty Covid patients in, these were spread over three wards, I’m not saying they didn’t look after him, they were amazing with him the nurses and to us to be fair, we could visit whenever we wanted especially because he hadn’t long to live, but the diagnosis from the top end and treatment didn’t make him pain free until his last night with us.
https://youtu.be/9pe9Q7SbPzA
To be honest, I think protests are a waste of time.
i think people would be far better of just taking no notice of the rules laws can only be enforced if the majority of people are prepaired to obey them.
the reaon i posted it was to show the protesters were not all just fringe cranks or the far right as the gaurdion and bbc pathetically keep trying to cliam
As far as I am concerned, the boss of The Raven Pub is a national hero. A superb fellow. I will be paying a special visit. I really wish more people would stand up like this and tell these stupid morons where to shove it.The landlord should stand for election. His opinions are shared by many, me included.
Some good old fashioned pushing and shoving. "That man is not allowed in my pub" - he speaks for the saner part of the English nation, I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoDJ1Fk47E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGuLJvY9ApE
Quote: "You have failed me. I have been a Labour voter my entire life. You have failed to be the opposition."
I stopped being a Labour voter 20 years ago. I have never voted Conservative and would sooner crawl naked over broken glass.
I will not vote for parties that do not represent me and treat me with disdain and contempt.
Let me assure you that if any politician, local or national, comes near me and my mind is so set, they will get much, much worse from me than you see in that clip.
D
ominic Raab has hinted that masks and social distancing could stay after June 21.
The Foreign Secretary urged caution in the “last lap” of the fight against coronavirus, arguing there is only “a little bit more time” until all legal restrictions on social interaction are removed.
But he said “safeguards” will remain in place until after lockdown lifts on June 21 - the final phase of the roadmap.
He told the BBC’s Andrew Marr: “We want to get to a position at the end of June where we can get life back to as normal as possible but there need to be some safeguards in place.”
When asked what additional measures might be need still, he replied: “It will be around distancing maybe there will be something around masks but I don’t want to prejudge it.”
Here we go again, two weeks to clatten the purves...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E8IrSjuaoI
I hope Citizen David 1819 and Citizen Roch 7462 have had their vacuums...I mean, vaccine. They should come on to the thread to confirm, or we may need another Announcement!
I have had both my vaccinations. There now should be no excuse for lack of vaccination among the population. I support the concept of surge vaccinations and would go a step further and support forced vaccinations.
I can't bring myself to have the second vaccination as I didn't relish the " stroke " symptoms I'd had with the first.
I can't bring myself to have the second vaccination as I didn't relish the " stroke " symptoms I'd had with the first.Thats awful Lookout, it’s put you in a dilemma, hopefully the vaccine’s will get better, there is even talk of a nasal spray or tablet form, these might offer less reactions.
Thats awful Lookout, it’s put you in a dilemma, hopefully the vaccine’s will get better, there is even talk of a nasal spray or tablet form, these might offer less reactions.
What...?.?.?...
Thats awful Lookout, it’s put you in a dilemma, hopefully the vaccine’s will get better, there is even talk of a nasal spray or tablet form, these might offer less reactions.
Thats sad Lookout, I think the Oxford one has been associated with blood clotting, was it this you had on the first injection?
I had a mini-stroke about 3 years ago (TIA ) and the symptoms I had a few days later were just like the symptoms I had after the stroke plus the dizziness for the following 3 weeks, so I'd have said I had a slight bleed on the brain. Only for taking warfarin it could have been worse. My blood has a habit of clotting.
What are you talking about? The rest of the world has gone crazy.My concern for Lookout is what I’m talking about, she obviously is in the vulnerable group. I would say about possibly 35million in this country had their vaccine without being pressurised and given a choice, hopefully for Lookout if she can’t have her second dose because of side effects their might be something else in the Autumn, again if she wants it.
Thats sad Lookout, I think the Oxford one has been associated with blood clotting, was it this you had on the first injection?
Bless, I’m sure they’ll fix it ready for the Autumn, I don’t blame you for not having the second Lookout, I’ve been for my second this morning, Oxford one, I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm 🙈. It’s nice we’ve got a choice.
Yes, it happened after the first RJ.
Bless, I’m sure they’ll fix it ready for the Autumn, I don’t blame you for not having the second Lookout, I’ve been for my second this morning, Oxford one, I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm 🙈. It’s nice we’ve got a choice.
The uptake of the vaccine is quite remarkable Lookout, the more that have it will hopefully help yourself and others like you and stop transmission.
I have the normal 'flu one in the Autumn----which may be tweaked to include whatever strain of 'flu will be around at the time, so as long as I obey rules etc. I should be okay. I've always been okay with the 'flu jab every year as it's that which could have saved me from a fate worse than death when I took bad at the end of December 2019.
https://t.co/il2P2kCPdJ?amp=1
Had my first jab btw (Pfizer)
I hope, as I am sure does everybody here, that you maintain your health and suffer no ill effects.
So far so good 👍
Good. And let us wish the same for all other posters - Lookout, Real Justice, Steve, Roch, NGB1066, everybody.
Good. And let us wish the same for all other posters - Lookout, Real Justice, Steve, Roch, NGB1066, everybody.Cheers QC, must say my second jab hurt, never felt the first but I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm for the second 🙈.
Cheers QC, must say my second jab hurt, never felt the first but I thought she’d thrown a dart in my arm for the second 🙈.
I hope Steve can come back on here to tell us he is alright.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358)
Would you like me to post up the stories about double-jabbed people who have them contracted this supposed virus and even died?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/01/sky-news-australia-banned-from-youtube-for-seven-days-over-covid-misinformation (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/01/sky-news-australia-banned-from-youtube-for-seven-days-over-covid-misinformation)
It's all well and good bringing out new drugs/vaccines but testing a patient first is also necessary. A blood test for thrombocyte platelets would reduce the deaths of those with blood-clotting problems first.
You can't just go ahead with a vaccination until a test for the suitability of the vaccine is processed.
That takes years because you have to wait and assess the effect on test subjects over a long period of time. And they have not taken that crucial step. They are licensing the vaccines and other drugs on an emergency basis. I won't touch them.
herd imunity is what we do every flues eason. its never failed before in history.
not everybody has the flue vacine its only 65 percent effective. and we were doing herd imunity well before the 1930s.
Flu is not Covid. Plus there was no Internet back then for idiots to spread misinformation and put other idiots in danger.
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Flu is not Covid. Plus there was no Internet back then for idiots to spread misinformation and put other idiots in danger.
Flu is not Covid. Plus there was no Internet back then for idiots to spread misinformation and put other idiots in danger.
Do we treat these anti-vaxers who are now clogging up the system ?
Do we treat the obese, smokers, recreational drug users, alcoholics and any others whose lifestyle/free choice may have contributed to their need for medical care?The point is how much people are prepared to pay from their taxes for the service. For someone who has looked after his own health since childhood I do wonder whether I should be due a rebate some time soon.
As far as I am aware the NHS is available at the point of need regardless of any other factor.
Our NHS has been taken for granted in recent years to the point of being abused in many ways. Your flippant answer is typical of the entitled society that we live in.Lookout I completely agree and let's face it: if you drink whisky in excess and smoke 40 a day is it any wonder you're knocking on the health service door at 50?
This is not how a free health service should work. It's a selfish and inconsiderate attitude that many have fallen into.
Every adult is responsible for their own health and well being and it's not up to the NHS to pick up the pieces of those whose lifestyles have dictated how they've ended up. It's these people who seem to do the most grousing.
The point is how much people are prepared to pay from their taxes for the service. For someone who has looked after his own health since childhood I do wonder whether I should be due a rebate some time soon.
Me too in terms of looking after self/health but pigging out on junk, smoking and boozing are not illegal. The latter generate huge tax receipts.There are dedicated NHS workers being attacked, abused and assaulted every weekend by members of the public in A&E, yet the culprits continue to get away with it. I don't see why we couldn't have a charge to see the GP for those in work and excess visits to A&E. I don't mind paying for essential medical care but I don't see why a heavy smoker should be entitled to a triple heart bypass if he's only going to live twelve months longer. I also resent paying for gender reassignment surgery, tattoo removal, fertility treatment and other cosmetic procedures.
Would you want to see someone in a white coat at hospital admissions deciding who gets treatment and who doesn't based on lifestyle?
Do we treat these anti-vaxers who are now clogging up the system ?
There are dedicated NHS workers being attacked, abused and assaulted every weekend by members of the public in A&E, yet the culprits continue to get away with it. I don't see why we couldn't have a charge to see the GP and excess visits to A&E. I don't mind paying for essential medical care but I don't see why a heavy smoker should be entitled to a triple heart bypass if he's only going to live twelve months longer. I also resent paying for gender reassignment surgery, tattoo removal, fertility treatment and other cosmetic procedures.
unny i have never seen that happen any acedent ward i have ever been in almost like its a complete mythGo to Manchester, Liverpool, Scotland..https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-ambulance-workers-assaulted-utterly-24443837
all acdent wardshave asecuirty team
Go to Manchester, Liverpool, Scotland..https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-ambulance-workers-assaulted-utterly-24443837
its the daily record so can desmissed as bollocks.https://www.shponline.co.uk/workplace-violence/doubling-maximum-sentence-for-assaulting-an-emergency-worker/
https://www.shponline.co.uk/workplace-violence/doubling-maximum-sentence-for-assaulting-an-emergency-worker/
so there doubling the maximum setence forit stil doesnt change the fact that it very rarely happens and when it does the emergency workers are not allways blameless.Earlier this year, SHP reported that there have been up to 50 prosecutions for assaults on emergency workers every day, according to CPS. In response, the Government is seeking views from stakeholders, including representative bodies from the emergency services and the judiciary, on whether the maximum penalty should be doubled to two years behind bars.
There are dedicated NHS workers being attacked, abused and assaulted every weekend by members of the public in A&E, yet the culprits continue to get away with it. I don't see why we couldn't have a charge to see the GP for those in work and excess visits to A&E. I don't mind paying for essential medical care but I don't see why a heavy smoker should be entitled to a triple heart bypass if he's only going to live twelve months longer. I also resent paying for gender reassignment surgery, tattoo removal, fertility treatment and other cosmetic procedures.
Earlier this year, SHP reported that there have been up to 50 prosecutions for assaults on emergency workers every day, according to CPS. In response, the Government is seeking views from stakeholders, including representative bodies from the emergency services and the judiciary, on whether the maximum penalty should be doubled to two years behind bars.
funny i never read about these proscutions inthe local and how many of these allged proscutions lead to a conviction a proscution means abslutly nothing.Some figures from the Sentencing Council:
https://www.naturalnews.com/048987_Vaccine_World_Summit_Andrew_Wakefield_MMR.html
Ah yes, Andrew Wakefield. The guy who made up claims about a link between Autism and a competitors MMR jab. In an attempt to make his own MMR vaccine patient seem more marketable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud
Now struck off the medical register with no professional credibility. He makes a living duping conspiratards
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when in doubt resort to posting a stupid meme your just showing what a fuck wit you are.
nutnut what evidence do you have that covid vaccines are anything but positive?
nutnut what evidence do you have that covid vaccines are anything but positive?
If nutnut finds anything he can help this person out
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wells theres the blood clots from people whohave had for a start i might pointout that if you want people to take an expremental treatment the burden of proof is on you.
and there is the momrous reported deaths from people who have had itconfirmed by the govermet of norway and mumrous medical experts such as mike yeadon.
But the % of people who have died from blood clots is tiny in relation to lives saved, serious illness and long covid. All drugs carry risk.
It isn't an experimental treatment. Its based on the same techniques as all vaccines. All covid vaccines have undergone clinical trials the same as all new drugs.
Look at the high %'s of the population aged 12 and over who have taken the vaccine. If it was harmful side effects would have appeared by now.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Of course you will always find a maverick doctor somewhere who disagrees.
Can We Laugh When Antivaxxers Die Of Covid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGf5wy0ylo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGf5wy0ylo)
13 mostly unvaccinated pregnant women have died. Many overweight and ethnic individuals have also died----unvaccinated.
Obviously those with a low resistance against illness or who are overweight are the most likely to suffer from breathing difficulties. Carrying too much weight isn't good at any time as obesity is an illness in itself as it creates a strain on every organ in the body. Organs have to be able to breathe and if surrounded by fat, they can't--------simple as that.
13 mostly unvaccinated pregnant women have died. Many overweight and ethnic individuals have also died----unvaccinated.
Obviously those with a low resistance against illness or who are overweight are the most likely to suffer from breathing difficulties. Carrying too much weight isn't good at any time as obesity is an illness in itself as it creates a strain on every organ in the body. Organs have to be able to breathe and if surrounded by fat, they can't--------simple as that.
47 sudys now say masks dont work. https://t.co/GgGYOHOcRa?amp=1
I've felt like wearing a mask many a time with all the stinky people around---trains, buses, planes. It's no bad thing to wear one just for that reason. At least now we have an excuse !
Just two weeks to flatten the curve citizens!
do you ever wonder why your not dead i do you would think we would be by now.
Just two weeks to flatten the curve citizens!
My guess is cases will rise exponentially over the coming weeks. Cold weather is setting in putting an end to al fresco eating/drinking in public places and private homes. Schools return after half term. Recent coming together of people to celebrate Halloween, Guy Fawkes and Diwali. Waning vaccine immunity. Infection rates are far higher than this time last year and a significant number of the population are either only partially vaccinated or unvaccinated. The booster prog is slow.
My guess is cases will rise exponentially over the coming weeks. Cold weather is setting in putting an end to al fresco eating/drinking in public places and private homes. Schools return after half term. Recent coming together of people to celebrate Halloween, Guy Fawkes and Diwali. Waning vaccine immunity. Infection rates are far higher than this time last year and a significant number of the population are either only partially vaccinated or unvaccinated. The booster prog is slow.
nhs lying about the data agian https://youtu.be/8waVTUUtRHQ
And why exactly would the NHS want to lie about the data?
"It puts the vaccine on its skin, or else it gets the lockdown again"
Hi Lookout, I don’t know if you’ve seen this, hopefully they’ll have drugs for people who don’t get on with the Vaccine 👍
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10215933/AstraZeneca-antibody-drug-works-prevent-COVID-19-longer-term-studies.html
Bless, fingers crossed Lookout, it looks like things are advancing on this front now for you. 🤞
I hadn't seen that RJ but I reckon it's a possibility, if there's no reaction to the warfarin that I take, and which has been stable for most of the year so far. I'll have to see what the surgery has to say when I have my next blood test ( INR ) in January but for the time being I remain indoors with deliveries from Asda or Ocado ( M&S ) I don't mind and realise I have to be sensible.
Bless, fingers crossed Lookout, it looks like things are advancing on this front now for you. 🤞
what the fuk is that all about.
Another anti vaxxer dying from covid.
im still ha ha ha ha/
I think we may end up as the only unvaccinated and unmasked survivors, Nugnug. I think it's due to our inter-galactic liaisons. All those flying saucer journeys must be having an effect.
Texas Republican leader who repeatedly mocked masks and vaccines has died of COVID-19
https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/a-texas-republican-leader-who-repeatedly-mocked-masks-and-vaccines-has-died-of-covid-19/Content?oid=26846522&utm_source=widget&utm_medium=articleblog&utm_campaign=rightrail&utm_content=RelatedStories (https://www.sacurrent.com/sanantonio/a-texas-republican-leader-who-repeatedly-mocked-masks-and-vaccines-has-died-of-covid-19/Content?oid=26846522&utm_source=widget&utm_medium=articleblog&utm_campaign=rightrail&utm_content=RelatedStories)
heart risks after vacines https://youtu.be/LEBGl8MVE-c
Hey nutnut you take care the new Botswana variant doesn't grab you from behind!
Hey nutnut you take care the new Botswana variant doesn't grab you from behind!
Me and Nugnug have enough to worry about being grabbed from behind by aliens!
Anti-vaxxer dies from Covid after going to 'Covid party' to catch virus
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anti-vaxxer-dies-after-going-22259600 (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anti-vaxxer-dies-after-going-22259600)
Nutnut, have you considered Covid might just be a cyclical event akin to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918?
no becouse i can do basic maths
Please blind me with your equations.
the spanish flue killed 10 percent of the worllds poulation covid has killed nothing like that even if you belive the offical the death rate before this allegged pandemic is more or less the same as the during it its a funny sort of pandemic that cant make the world death rate go up.
I call it the " woke " 'flu.
Please blind me with your equations.
What do you mean?
Each 'flu epidemic has been named from whence it came and it's now not PC to single out a particular country.
Spanish 'flu.
Asian 'flu.
Hong Kong 'flu.
Wuhan ( Chinese ) 'flu.
The latest from South Africa is now known as Omnicron.
Hi folks a musical statement of the current situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9htLZr7DcU
Each 'flu epidemic has been named from whence it came and it's now not PC to single out a particular country.
Spanish 'flu.
Asian 'flu.
Hong Kong 'flu.
Wuhan ( Chinese ) 'flu.
The latest from South Africa is now known as Omnicron.
Based on what I've read I don't believe Spanish flu killed anything like 10% of the world's population. Where are you getting 10% from?
In any event as an anti-vaxxer can you not see the folly with your argument? The main reasons deaths have been kept low during this pandemic is down to government interventions ie lockdowns etc and more importantly vaccines which provide high levels of protection against the virus.
Why would the authorities want to fiddle about with the data?
What's in it for the government to play up the pandemic?
Each 'flu epidemic has been named from whence it came and it's now not PC to single out a particular country.
Spanish 'flu.
Asian 'flu.
Hong Kong 'flu.
Wuhan ( Chinese ) 'flu.
The latest from South Africa is now known as Omnicron.
witch is an anagram of moronic
the worlds population in 1918 was 1 billon the spanish flue liamed 100 millon victems worldwide
most vitems of it were healthy beore the cthe cought it.
unlike covid were most people who cought it were at deaths door in the first place.
witch is an anagram of moronic
That's a good one nugs. ;D
I thought you were an advocate for the vaccine and think those refusing should not be treated on the NHS if they fall ill?
I do agree with the vaccine but there's nothing wrong with complementing nugs's post is there ?
It just goes to prove how things can be taken out of context ::) And twisted to boot !
There's something radically wrong with people---ALWAYS on the offensive !
What have I taken out of context and twisted?
I suspect nutnuts maths is on the same level as his spelling. That of a five year old.
I thought you were an advocate for the vaccine and think those refusing should not be treated on the NHS if they fall ill?
hey cant somone change there mind.
hey cant somone change there mind.
OMG!! NO! You certainly can't...............unless you want to experience, years after, the abuse I'm still getting.
Lookout, were you vaccinated for Spanish Flu?
I know I had two doses of H2N2 which was a live vaccine in 1957 when I was working at the hospital.
But to the best of your knowledge have you received vaccines, using very different tecnologies, to protect against the SAME disease/variants of?
There's probably one main " ingredient " in all these types of vaccines that is used in Avian 'flu.
Could it be that in 2020/21 pandemics are likely to be more deadly and problematic due to internal and external travel?
In 1918 (Spanish flu) a trip to a neighbouring town would have been a big deal/trip of a lifetime! Now we think nothing of taking a flight to some far flung place and many travel to different villages, towns and cities on a daily basis. All this allows viruses to transmit to the world's population with ease and mutate over and over.
But it seems to me some of these new vaccine technologies are based on genetic engineering of the virus which was unknown about in the past.
https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19
This was during the Asian 'flu pandemic, which no doubt similar copies of the vaccine may have been uses since in winter 'flu vaccine and also the present pandemic.
they wore masks during the spaninish flue pandemi and 100 millon people died anyway wich sort of proesthat maskssdont work.
I don't believe any scientist has ever said masks alone offer a high degree of protection?
What evidence exists that mask wearing in 1918 didn't reduce the number of fatalities or serious illness?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34016743/
100 millon deaths say it.
100 millon deaths say it.
How do we know that without masks, there may have been several million more deaths. Masks have a two-fold positive. They protect us from germs other's may may pass on to us, as well as protecting others from any we might have.
well any public health mesure that cant prevent 100 millon deaths can not really be called efective.
We're talking over a century ago! 100 million deaths worldwide. What sort of public health measures existed in advanced economies in 1918 let alone under developed ones! Do you think they had the means of assessing the co-morbid?
The average life expectancy in 1918 UK was 48.49 as opposed to 81.15 in 2020.
no they had masks that dident work.
One wouldn't imagine, that 100yrs ago, they'd had access to the sort of materials we use now. However, leather would have done as good a job -in fact, better- as some of today's masks which are just several layers of cotton. Still, anything is better than nothing.
if you looks at pics of them they are almost exactly the same.
They probably WERE 'almost exactly the same'. They'd have given as good protection as was possible in 1918. Undoubtedly, there'd have been some who chose, on occasions, as do I, to adorn the standard issue masks, but they probably didn't have the selection that we have, today.
if there the same how an they protect now than they did then wich is not at all.
To be fair, I could post up examples of people who have died or suffered injury from the vaccine, and other examples of vaccinees who have suffered injury or died soon after having the vaccine but with uncertain causes.
In the examples you provide, David, you are relying on the claim that these people died of Covid-19. That is not certain, and even if they did, all that proves is that some people will die. With respect, so what? We all have to die. The real issue is whether the measures being implemented are proportionate to the risk. I think it's clear to all, or should be, that the response has been disproportionate.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/13/this-week-in-the-new-normal-15/
nutnut have you listened to the following?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZUZ9JYNBE
I went to a pub Sat to watch the Norwich City v ManU game. Of course no mask wearing and the bar area was heaving with patrons getting very loud and animated!
I am still very sceptical about the Pfizer/Moderna vac. I can't see any history of different vaccine types being used to treat the same disease. I emailed the 'naked scientist' my concerns, public invited to ask questions, but no response.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/
Plus I am not sure how much trust to place in a US pharma giant.
well im sepitial of the whole thing.
but the main thing bein do you need so many jabs orthe same ilness if you one flue shot you onsidre fully vacinated same with almost any other illness that theres a shot for.
so why isthis one any diffrent.
https://youtu.be/UwA7RDdISWI
heres the one to aid..
Did you see what Covid stands for nugs ? =====Certification of Vaccination ID.
I imagine this bed-blocking has been going on for a while up and down the country but with a shortage of mobile carers/ nurses the hospitals won't discharge anyone for after-care. In my estimation, families could/ should do a lot more under these circumstances, where families do exist.
It seems that the older sector who have ageing parents do far more than the younger ones.
https://fnqldcc.com/home/urgent-dr-sucharit-bhakdi-organs-of-dead-vaccinated-proves-auto-immune-attack/You're frightening me now nugnug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs
Counting Crows = awesome band. I’m going to see them again later this year 👍
I'm not as keen as that on them, I'm more a Jethro Tull man when it comes to rock, with some 80s Aerosmith now and then - but yes, Counting Crows are good.
I’m seen them a few times. I think songs like Long December, Rain King, ColourBlind, Raining in Baltimore……are brilliant songs. I grew up in the 90s tho so prob just prefer Stereophonics and Oasis.
Well I'm double jabbed and just been completely wiped out for 24 hours by Covid. Purposely didn't get a booster. How is this supposed to work now - does my Covid episode increase my immunity or not? And was the only point in getting my jabs, to prevent possible, potential hospitalisation? Interesting enough, recently I have been a bit lax with masking and distancing in a couple of situations. It did occur to me at the time, that I might pay for that.
That means the vaccinations didn't work and it was pointless having them.
Couldn't even get any tablets down me due to stomach issues. Eventually I managed to eat three American Hard Gums and this enabled me to have some ibuprofen and paracetamol. Just had my first sandwich and cup of tea. Going to try and eat chicken vindaloo tonight (in a vain attempt to burn the malady from my system)..
Please tell me you will see sense now, reject all this nonsense, and not have the booster. Mind you, I am not a medic. You must make your own informed decisions, of course.
Well I'm double jabbed and just been completely wiped out for 24 hours by Covid. Purposely didn't get a booster. How is this supposed to work now - does my Covid episode increase my immunity or not? And was the only point in getting my jabs, to prevent possible, potential hospitalisation? Interesting enough, recently I have been a bit lax with masking and distancing in a couple of situations. It did occur to me at the time, that I might pay for that.
Well I'm double jabbed and just been completely wiped out for 24 hours by Covid. Purposely didn't get a booster. How is this supposed to work now - does my Covid episode increase my immunity or not? And was the only point in getting my jabs, to prevent possible, potential hospitalisation? Interesting enough, recently I have been a bit lax with masking and distancing in a couple of situations. It did occur to me at the time, that I might pay for that.
That was rather silly. Were you not aware the vaccine antibodies fade after 8 month?
I'm sorry you've succumbed to Covid, Roch. I caught it and I'm double jabbed. I was really poorly for three weeks!! Just ILL!! Other than a cough, no specific symptoms. Chances are, without the jabs, I'd have been in hospital. Feeling poorly, I did a lateral flow test which was negative. Feeling worse, I did a PCR three days later, which was positive. I'm told, although I have no verification for it, that having had it, one has immunity for 120 days after testing negative. That can be countered by the story of a woman being taken into hospital on Christmas Eve, having caught it for the THIRD time.................then there's my 84 year old friend who, having tested positive New Years Eve, had nothing worse than a mild cold for a couple of days, so there you go!!! Anyway, I wish you better sooner!!!
Thank you Jane. One particularly nasty symptom is a horrendous face ache, eye sockets, jaw, headache etc. This has happened to me a few times in the past couple of years, so I assume that on each occasion it may have been Covid.
That was rather silly. Were you not aware the vaccine antibodies fade after 8 month?
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https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/flu-survivors-still-immune-after-90-years
The fact checkers don't like this..
What "fact checkers" are you talking about?
The ones that add a message on when you try and share something. The message being that context has been removed and as a consequence the meme or whatever may be misleading.
Should the unvaccinated be arrested / detained? Could they be rounded up and held in makeshift camps?
Should the unvaccinated be arrested / detained? Could they be rounded up and held in makeshift camps?
Is this something that Richard Hall claims is on the agenda? ::)
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This is the best Covid doco I've watched so far.The Muzak is annoying.
First 38 minutes is taken up with Covid jab injury stories, then it picks apart the Covid vaccine and all the politics behind it.
Then finishes off with viable alternatives to the corrupt institutions that rule over us.
https://www.utahsafeandeffective.org/watch-movie
Another virus heading our way. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cfc75906e4b047ce91ac3e6f9e6d2f5c&ei=6
Another virus heading our way. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cfc75906e4b047ce91ac3e6f9e6d2f5c&ei=6
Another virus heading our way. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/britain-on-lockdown-alert-as-new-killer-virus-which-kills-40-of-victims-certain-to-reach-uk/ar-AA1dTC8D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=cfc75906e4b047ce91ac3e6f9e6d2f5c&ei=6