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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other high profile cases => Topic started by: Caroline on May 24, 2019, 03:26:PM

Title: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Caroline on May 24, 2019, 03:26:PM
Did anyone watch this documentary series?

https://www.channel5.com/show/the-murder-of-charlene-downes/
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2019, 03:46:PM
it hasnt been proved thats shes dead. so i think murder is not really an apropriate title for the doc

the 2 people they chraged with her murder were almost certanly innocent and the did not convict them.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 24, 2019, 08:07:PM
just watching part 2
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2019, 11:20:AM
finished dident really have anything that I haven't heard before.

though i dident quite how bent the first investigation team were.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 26, 2019, 03:56:PM
Caroline you starte this thread arnt you going to coment on it  what did you think of it.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Steve_uk on May 27, 2019, 12:30:PM
A difficult case to prove in a court of law, but I think those two are guilty.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2019, 01:01:PM
A difficult case to prove in a court of law, but I think those two are guilty.

her sister was the last person to see and doesnt seem to want to answer qustins about it maybe they should start there.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Caroline on May 27, 2019, 02:13:PM
Caroline you starte this thread arnt you going to coment on it  what did you think of it.

Yes, when I get time - I've been away.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Steve_uk on May 27, 2019, 03:45:PM
her sister was the last person to see and doesnt seem to want to answer qustins about it maybe they should start there.
I think possibly because Charlene had drifted into prostitution, was taking money for sexual favours or had been groomed by the two defendants. As we know subsequently from Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford and others this was not uncommon, though to end up in murder this was an extreme case. Maybe Rebecca just didn't want to face facts, felt embarrassed about talking about it or still had feelings of guilt about the whole business.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2019, 05:25:PM
I think possibly because Charlene had drifted into prostitution, was taking money for sexual favours or had been groomed by the two defendants. As we know subsequently from Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford and others this was not uncommon, though to end up in murder this was an extreme case. Maybe Rebecca just didn't want to face facts, felt embarrassed about talking about it or still had feelings of guilt about the whole business.

but theres no evdence the 2 defendants ever met her even if what is said about them is true theres no proven link between them and charlene what about all her dads rather dubious mates.

there is also the matter of her mum waiting a day t reprt her missing.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Steve_uk on May 27, 2019, 07:01:PM
but theres no evdence the 2 defendants ever met her even if what is said about them is true theres no proen link between them and charlene what about all her dads rather dubious mates.

there is also the matter of her mum waiting a day t reprt her missing.
It wouldn't surprise me as Albathiki was a Jordanian and Reveshi Iranian, so outside the main Muslim Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities. As for the mother she wasn't an ideal parent as social services had stepped in a number of times previously and may well have been on the brink of putting Charlene into care.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2019, 07:06:PM
It wouldn't surprise me as Albathiki was a Jordanian and Reveshi Iranian, so outside the main Muslim Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities. As for the mother she wasn't an ideal parent as social services had stepped in a number of times previously and may well have been on the brink of putting Charlene into care.

if she had of phoned the police the same day they would f come around the same dayor if she ha phoned them sunday they would of come around sunday but she phoned them on monday my qustion to that is what or who did she not want them to see when they came around.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Steve_uk on May 27, 2019, 07:48:PM
if she had of phoned the police the same day they would f come around the same dayor if she ha phoned them sunday they would of come around sunday but she phoned them on monday my qustion to that is what or who did she not want them to see when they came around.

I just think she was a bad parent.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 27, 2019, 08:14:PM
I just think she was a bad parent.

i dont like jdging her  as parent anyone can be judged abad parent but i find her actions duspicious to say the least.

i could understand her waiting untill sunday morning to phone the police but not monday
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Caroline on May 27, 2019, 09:25:PM
but theres no evdence the 2 defendants ever met her even if what is said about them is true theres no proen link between them and charlene what about all her dads rather dubious mates.

there is also the matter of her mum waiting a day t reprt her missing.

I agree, I don't think it was the two Asian guys and the tape translation was very dodgy! The family seemed to have lots of peado's in their house and the guy mentioned at the end might lead to something. I hope they find out what happened to her and that she is still alive but I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Steve_uk on May 27, 2019, 09:36:PM
I agree, I don't think it was the two Asian guys and the tape translation was very dodgy! The family seemed to have lots of peado's in their house and the guy mentioned at the end might lead to something. I hope they find out what happened to her and that she is still alive but I very much doubt it.
This suspect is Nigel Lloyd. https://wideshut.co.uk/who-is-nigel-lloyd-suspect-charlene-downes/
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Caroline on May 27, 2019, 09:42:PM
This suspect is Nigel Lloyd. https://wideshut.co.uk/who-is-nigel-lloyd-suspect-charlene-downes/

Thanks Steve.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2019, 10:27:AM
i cant belive they have only just looked at the cctv footage its almost lik the first team dident want to solve it.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 28, 2019, 10:53:AM
I agree, I don't think it was the two Asian guys and the tape translation was very dodgy! The family seemed to have lots of peado's in their house and the guy mentioned at the end might lead to something. I hope they find out what happened to her and that she is still alive but I very much doubt it.

what im trying t work out is did the downes family knwingly let all those perverts in there house or were they just naive people who were taken advantage of.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Steve_uk on May 28, 2019, 04:34:PM
what im trying t work out is did the downes family knwingly let all those perverts in there house or were they just naive people who were taken advantage of.
Apparently they were invited in by Bob, though one would have to speculate as to the reason why. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7062421/Charlene-Downes-mother-waited-two-days-call-police-daughter-went-missing.html
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 29, 2019, 01:03:AM
Apparently they were invited in by Bob, though one would have to speculate as to the reason why. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7062421/Charlene-Downes-mother-waited-two-days-call-police-daughter-went-missing.html

the presnce of ray monroe in the huse might explian why they dident want the police coming round but that woukd that they what monroe was charged with.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Caroline on May 30, 2019, 07:09:PM
what im trying t work out is did the downes family knwingly let all those perverts in there house or were they just naive people who were taken advantage of.

The father admitted to having been offered money from one of them to sleep with Charlene (£20.00).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7062421/Charlene-Downes-mother-waited-two-days-call-police-daughter-went-missing.html
"Charlene herself had reported some of her father's acquaintances to social services for sexually inappropriate behaviour."

Unlikely that they didn't know.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on May 31, 2019, 12:04:AM
The father admitted to having been offered money from one of them to sleep with Charlene (£20.00).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7062421/Charlene-Downes-mother-waited-two-days-call-police-daughter-went-missing.html
"Charlene herself had reported some of her father's acquaintances to social services for sexually inappropriate behaviour."

Unlikely that they didn't know.

yes rather unlikely i bet anyone  who went on thse marches must be felling a bit sick now.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Caroline on May 31, 2019, 05:36:PM
yes rather unlikely i bet anyone  who went on thse marches must be felling a bit sick now.

Looks like the docu will be affecting book sales https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sold-Secret-Murder-Charlene-Downes-ebook/product-reviews/B07J3J487Y/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on June 01, 2019, 01:29:PM
if somone had made such an offer to me i would of thumped them and shown them the door i think most people would her dads reaction to it says a lot.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on June 02, 2019, 06:45:PM
heres the facebook group run by her mother funny theres no mention of the documentry wonder why.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/186251981489436/?ref=group_header
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: Caroline on June 03, 2019, 08:52:PM
heres the facebook group run by her mother funny theres no mention of the documentry wonder why.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/186251981489436/?ref=group_header

Did you join it?
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on June 05, 2019, 12:45:AM
i joineed it a long time ago
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on June 09, 2019, 06:15:PM
what bothers me slightly is how a confidential report be social services manged to get into the hands of a national newspaper and why this paper hesitation in going to print.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on July 12, 2019, 12:32:AM
ive been told the woman seen on cctv with charlene was in fact her case worker so has been elimated.

the  bob tht hs been mentioned bere maybe robert ewing who was convicted of killing page chivers.
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on July 17, 2019, 08:21:PM
this i belive is bob.

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-england-lancashire-46182310%3FSThisFB%26fbclid%3DIwAR3FESdMr9xq5kJSfEj8HiTdAD32-vavexg_EdoM-ihRKCORYWJcGAeB_7I&h=AT2bXgg0Oa8GG1M15dQuEMPZRZVfODeTY3mpsu-EZLBQ8bH2WizObfK4tJ_qfBLAW9BYv46I1E2svCFXFb7hEclev9UrYtA4T5xmJATP-nSImOy7qvJ5Xoc6PrVbAg3S8V0Dm-VcSK75Al1uQIvCcHfXi_hc_uVHPOfj5DFmbvl9dwg
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on November 07, 2019, 02:54:PM
karen downes slams online trolls iwoder who shes taling about.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7635357/Karen-Downes-slams-trolls-accusing-k
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on January 10, 2020, 02:32:PM
the famlys version of events all 3 versions.

https://www.facebook.com/ronay.crompton/videos/10162032156300580/?t=10
Title: Re: The Murder of Charlene Downes
Post by: nugnug on January 13, 2020, 01:56:PM
petion.

http://chng.it/t2crC9BS?fbclid=IwAR2eENm-f0OROw2Lsq3FHrUK5WjeyLXGVZ1bA6eGX0dU4nptw7p3FUri_84