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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on August 14, 2019, 08:00:PM
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Has it been determined it is a palm print?
Has it been stated whose palm print it is?
If not, why not?
The bible has been discarded. If no one will ever know whose palm print it was, why is it a 'forensic evidence breakthrough'?
Is it possible to determine anything from just a photo of the palm print?
Did Sheila have bloodied hands?
Did the aledged suicide note inside the bible have blood on?
If it is Sheila's palm print, why does that make her guilty?
If it is Bamber's palm print, is that more confirmation he is guilty?
Was the palm print discussed at trial or at any appeals?
Has the OS or CT ever mentioned the palm print?
Is there a photo of the palm print?
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Has it been determined it is a palm print?
Has it been stated whose palm print it is?
If not, why not?
The bible has been discarded. If no one will ever know whose palm print it was, why is it a 'forensic evidence breakthrough'?
Is it possible to determine anything from just a photo of the palm print?
Did Sheila have bloodied hands?
Did the aledged suicide note inside the bible have blood on?
If it is Sheila's palm print, why does that make her guilty?
If it is Bamber's palm print, is that more confirmation he is guilty?
Was the palm print discussed at trial or at any appeals?
Has the OS or CT ever mentioned the palm print?
Is there a photo of the palm print?
Put it this way, Jeremy told me it was a palm print years ago and if he thought it was important, he'd have had the CT on it.
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It seems that one supporter determined from a photo that the palm print was Sheila's.
The OS & CT do not agree or do not believe it is important. They always go public with everything but have not done so with this.
Not sure how this is a 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.
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It seems that one supporter determined from a photo that the palm print was Sheila's.
The OS & CT do not agree or do not believe it is important. They always go public with everything but have not done so with this.
Not sure how this is a 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.
The CT have a lot of things they don't share publicly. Some here have had the privilege of being shown material they don't show. That's fustrating and I know the feeling.
As for why they don't. I don't know. No point asking me. If I ran the CT, things would be different, but I don't.
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The CT have a lot of things they don't share publicly. Some here have had the privilege of being shown material they don't show. That's fustrating and I know the feeling.
As for why they don't. I don't know. No point asking me. If I ran the CT, things would be different, but I don't.
Not frustrating for me - couldn't give a crap. It wouldn't make any difference.
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The CT have a lot of things they don't share publicly. Some here have had the privilege of being shown material they don't show. That's fustrating and I know the feeling.
As for why they don't. I don't know. No point asking me. If I ran the CT, things would be different, but I don't.
I've been told by a reliable source, that members of the CT do keep an eye on this forum. If so its a shame none of them post here. Debate and constructive criticism is not going to hurt.
Remember when Sheila called an ambulance from WHF at 4am? That's what you get when you never let anyone challenge your conclusions or seek a second opinion.
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The pictures of the bible facing down in the archives do not show any palm print stains. One of the inside pages has blood stains on which to me does not look like a palm print.
One of the photos does ask how the bible could be resting on Sheila's arm. Assume Mike asked this.
If David is going by another photo I look forward to seeing it.
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I've been told by a reliable source, that members of the CT do keep an eye on this forum. If so its a shame none of them post here. Debate and constructive criticism is not going to hurt.
Remember when Sheila called an ambulance from WHF at 4am? That's what you get when you never let anyone challenge your conclusions or seek a second opinion.
No 'if's' about it. But surely you would know if they paid for your report to be validated?
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,887.0.html
It seems that David is going by the inside of the bible photo in reply 18. Which has stained blood on. He has decided it is a palm print and Sheila's although not given reasons why.
He then called this a 'forensic evidence breakthrough', sent it to Bamber & asked a poster to write about it on this forum.
Obviously he believes Sheila read the bible before her shower as Sheila's hands and fingers had no blood on.
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No one believes Sheila had a shower Adam. That's something you have made up to lampoon people on here.
The Irony here being that the upstairs bathroom light was on with the curtains closed for many hours before the police broke in. Thus its very possible for someone inside to have shower unnoticed and plenty of time to do so. Despite this, I don't believe that is what transpired.
Trust you to come up with a mockery that's actually viable. Well done.
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No one believes Sheila had a shower Adam. That's something you have made up to lampoon people on here.
The Irony here being that the upstairs bathroom light was on with the curtains closed for many hours before the police broke in. Thus its very possible for someone inside to have shower unnoticed and plenty of time to do so. Despite this, I don't believe that is what transpired.
Trust you to come up with a mockery that's actually viable. Well done.
Good that you have finally said you do not believe Sheila had a shower. You have always refused to committ.
People do believe Sheila had a shower & changed. To explain why Sheila & her nightie was so clean.
As you have not provided any other photo, it seems your 'forensic evidence breaktjrough' is based on the photo in reply 18 in my link above. Although you have not answered any of my thread questions.
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Good that you have finally said you do not believe Sheila had a shower. You have always refused to committ.
Done that 2 years ago
Sheila does not need to have a shower to wash off your 20 pieces of insincere, untruthful and refuted junk.
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As you have not provided any other photo, it seems your 'forensic evidence breaktjrough' is based on the photo in reply 18 in my link above. Although you have not answered any of my thread questions.
I don't need to provide any photos or justify and explain anything to you. Nor do I need to answer your questions. I have answered stuff for you in the past yet it never sinks in. Why bother?
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Done that 2 years ago
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I don't need to provide any photos or justify and explain anything to you. Nor do I need to answer your questions. I have answered stuff for you in the past yet it never sinks in. Why bother?
Well, in which case, NOR do others have any "need to provide any photos or justify and explain anything to you", NOR do they "need to answer your questions".
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Well, in which case, NOR do others have any "need to provide any photos or justify and explain anything to you", NOR do they "need to answer your questions".
I never said anyone had to.
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Done that 2 years ago
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I don't need to provide any photos or justify and explain anything to you. Nor do I need to answer your questions. I have answered stuff for you in the past yet it never sinks in. Why bother?
If you believe blood inside the bible is a 'forensic evidence breakthrough', you need to show the photo & say why.
Otherwise everyone will go by the photo of a blood smudge inside the bible I have provided. Which shows nothing.
It is no secret your 'forensic evidence breakthrough' from 3 years ago was this. There is no point in refusing to discuss it & answering my questions, as the CT have binned it.
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If you believe blood inside the bible is a 'forensic evidence breakthrough', you need to show the photo & say why.
Otherwise everyone will go by the photo of a blood smudge inside the bible I have provided. Which shows nothing.
It is no secret your 'forensic evidence breakthrough' from 3 years ago was this. There is no point in refusing to discuss it & answering my questions, as the CT have binned it.
No one pays much attention to what you 'provide' or what you say or think Adam. If it helps you sleep at night to think its been 'binned' by all means believe so.
PS: What's brought you out your cave? Did the 10k signatures strike a nerve?
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No one pays much attention to what you 'provide' or what you say or think Adam. If it helps you sleep at night to think its been 'binned' by all means believe so.
PS: What's brought you out your cave? Did the 10k signatures strike a nerve?
Why did a photo of a blood smudge inside the bible become a 'forensic evidence breakthrough' in 2016?
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Why did a photo of a blood smudge inside the bible become a 'forensic evidence breakthrough' in 2016?
It didn't. I wont be sharing any details with you of all people.
But your comments here raises the question of why would you keep asking after something that you
claim is "binned"? If it was "binned" as you believe it to be, why the interest Adam?
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The blood stains on the pages of the bible are a significant breakthrough because, in the lead up to Bambers October 1986 Chelmsford crown court trial, Jeremy's then solicitor 'Paul Terzean' was invited by Essex police/CPS to visit Chelmsford police headquarters to view all the photographs which police had taken in connection with the two investigations into the muder/suicide, and wholesome murder. At the appointed hour, Terzean asked if there were any photographs which had been taken in other parts of the farmhouse which were missing from 'THE MASTER COPY PHOTOGRAPHIC ALBUM', which according to a report consisted of 223 images, many of which were the focus of arguments made to the jury by judge, prosecution and the defence. This as it turned out bolstered the prosecutions hand, since there were another 358 photographs which existed, but that which were not disclosed or given access to the defence, which had the effect of undermining Jeremy Bambers trial case. It is now known that the CPS and officers from Essex police held conferences where they singled out any of the 581 photographs which could undermine the case being brought against Bamber. In other words any photographs which eere considered to be problematic to the police CPS case during trial were simply discarded from the aptly faked 'Mastercopy Album' (223 photographs) put together by PC Bird, and presented to the defence and subsequently to judge and jury, as if PC Bird (Witham police station) Scenes of Crime Officer had taken all of the crime scence photographs when as we now know was not true. DI 'Ron Cooks' Witham SOCO team, arrived at the scene, at 9.20am on the first morning of the investigation into the deaths of Ralph Bamber, June Bamber, Danield Caffell, and Sheila Caffell, but yet senior police officers did not hand over control of the crime scene, until 10.00am, or thereabouts. There was a huge chunk of time between around 7.30am and 10.00am that same morning, when the Witham police SOCO's could not possibly have known that the position of the five victims bodies had remain, untouched, or unmoved, prior to them being handed the control of a crime scene that was active, and had been so for approximately three and a half hours, prior to Witham SOCO's could take photographs, seize exhibits, and create a false account relating to how each of the victims had met their end..
If the Witham SOCO"s had been the only crime scene investi (to be continued)..