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Title: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 08, 2020, 05:52:PM
Thread on the three coordinated attacks and one attempted attack on New York and Washington DC. Resulting in over 2900 deaths.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 08, 2020, 11:27:PM
Thread on the three coordinated attacks and one attempted attack on New York and Washington DC. Resulting in over 2900 deaths.

Since you've become so enamoured with Richard Hall, I think it's fitting to post up his flight path analysis video.  It's a bit of a debunking video in some respects. 

I'm guessing the main issue David will have, is where Hall struggles to comprehend the wings impacting in to the towers.  I think it is this seeming anomaly, that has led to speculation about the plane/s.

Whatever anyone's views are on this, I think Hall's done a decent job with the flight path analysis. 

https://youtu.be/UW62q8XiVp4

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 09, 2020, 12:58:AM
Since you've become so enamoured with Richard Hall, I think it's fitting to post up his flight path analysis video.  It's a bit of a debunking video in some respects. 

I'm guessing the main issue David will have, is where Hall struggles to comprehend the wings impacting in to the towers.  I think it is this seeming anomaly, that has led to speculation about the plane/s.

Whatever anyone's views are on this, I think Hall's done a decent job with the flight path analysis. 

https://youtu.be/UW62q8XiVp4

There is footage of the planes flying into the buildings.

Subsequently there are photos of an airplane shaped hole in the tower.

(https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/291487_AP010911114204.jpg)

And bits of aircraft all over the place on the ground.

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfc8f47dd45_-_911-flight175windows-l.jpg?crop=1xw:0.9989429175475687xh;center,top&resize=480:*)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 09, 2020, 01:08:AM
There is footage of the planes flying into the buildings.

Subsequently there are photos of an airplane shaped hole in the tower.

And bits of aircraft all over the place on the ground.

Your post suggests you haven't watched the video. 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 09, 2020, 01:21:AM
Your post suggests you haven't watched the video.

There is no need to watch it. RichPlanet is entertainment material and not serious research.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 09, 2020, 01:24:AM
There is no need to watch it. RichPlanet is entertainment material and not serious research.

OK. I'm not sure why you wasted your time and our time, in starting this thread.  I'll leave you to it.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 09, 2020, 02:16:PM
OK. I'm not sure why you wasted your time and our time, in starting this thread.  I'll leave you to it.

I created this thread because the topic came up on Jo Cox thread, users there wanted the thread to stay on topic. QC has expressed doubts about Alqeda being behind the attacks, but has not posted anything here yet.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest29835 on August 09, 2020, 08:35:PM
I created this thread because the topic came up on Jo Cox thread, users there wanted the thread to stay on topic. QC has expressed doubts about Alqeda being behind the attacks, but has not posted anything here yet.

I expressed doubts about who was ultimately behind it.  I don't necessarily doubt the official story, as far as it goes.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 09, 2020, 10:52:PM
I expressed doubts about who was ultimately behind it.  I don't necessarily doubt the official story, as far as it goes.

I think David's frightened to get the popcorn out.. in case he can't debunk any content.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 10, 2020, 01:24:PM
This is classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 10, 2020, 01:30:PM
I expressed doubts about who was ultimately behind it.  I don't necessarily doubt the official story, as far as it goes.

Who else could possibly have been in the pilot seats of those planes, other than fanatical Jihadists anticipating a "reward" in the life after?

Its not plausible for Bush or Israel to have agents willing to commit to such an operation.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest29835 on August 10, 2020, 01:31:PM
Who else could possibly have been in the pilot seats of those planes, other than fanatical Jihadists anticipating a "reward" in the life after?

Its not plausible for Bush or Israel to have agents willing to commit to such an operation.

No disrespect, but it appears you've not understood my comment.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 10, 2020, 01:33:PM
This is classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0)

That's a terrible video. Terrible in its content, terrible in its execution. It plays almost like a spoof.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 10, 2020, 01:36:PM
That's a terrible video. Terrible in its content, terrible in its execution. It plays almost like a spoof.

It is a spoof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion)

You actually thought that was real news?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 10, 2020, 02:24:PM
It is a spoof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion)

You actually thought that was real news?

Hands up fella, you got me fair and square  :))
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 10, 2020, 03:21:PM
Who else could possibly have been in the pilot seats of those planes, other than fanatical Jihadists anticipating a "reward" in the life after?

Its not plausible for Bush or Israel to have agents willing to commit to such an operation.

I don't think that's how agents or assets work David. In theory, it would be possible to allow or make use of 'jihadists' in a suicide attack - but it would probably be without their knowledge.  Let's say I want to influence the 2017 UK election because Jeremy Corbyn is closing on Teresa May. I instruct agent X to inform asset Y that she in turn should give the go ahead to the terror cell champing at the bit to get drugged up and commit slaughter, with a view to being sent to paradise as a result. The terror cell does exactly this, without ever knowing that Y is linked to X.  Once it's done, I get my friends in the media to print loads of stories about Jeremy Corbyn being soft on terror and friend of the IRA etc.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on August 12, 2020, 10:37:PM
Thread on the three coordinated attacks and one attempted attack on New York and Washington DC. Resulting in over 2900 deaths.
   Do you consider the NIST report on the collapse of WTC7, which was hit by no planes, to be believable? Its collapse being reported by the BBC(Jane Standish) and a number of US News outlets some twenty minutes before it happened. It is actually visible in the background whilst she reports that it has collapsed. It's collapse into its own footprint looks like a controlled demolition. The collapse has been timed and shown to be at free fall speed, not physically possible in any collapse theory.
     WTC7 is the smoking gun that tells us that the official story is a lie, in my view.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 12, 2020, 11:32:PM
   Do you consider the NIST report on the collapse of WTC7, which was hit by no planes, to be believable? Its collapse being reported by the BBC(Jane Standish) and a number of US News outlets some twenty minutes before it happened. It is actually visible in the background whilst she reports that it has collapsed. It's collapse into its own footprint looks like a controlled demolition. The collapse has been timed and shown to be at free fall speed, not physically possible in any collapse theory.
     WTC7 is the smoking gun that tells us that the official story is a lie, in my view.

You're wasting your time.  Some people cannot encompass state sponsored terror.  It just does not compute for them.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on August 13, 2020, 12:01:AM
You're wasting your time.  Some people cannot encompass state sponsored terror.  It just does not compute for them.
   Still worth pointing though, Roch.
    For the unbelievers here is Larry Silverstein talking about the decision to "pull it". It being World Trade Centre 7 the third building after the twin towers to collapse in New York that day. Despite being hit by no planes, we are to believe that WTC7 was the first steel framed skyscraper ever to collapse because of fires.
    The owner spoke post collapse of the decision to "pull it". The BBC, MSNBC and others reported the collapse before it happened showing remarkable Nostradamus like powers, especially in light of the fact that there was no precedent to believe that a 47 storey steel framed building would collapse due to fire.
    Remarkably and by an uncanny coincidence WTC7 then collapsed at free fall speed into its own footprint in the manner of a controlled demolition, but it collapsed due to fires.
    Officially ??? 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZlmHvd_RZU

   
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2020, 01:39:AM
   Do you consider the NIST report on the collapse of WTC7, which was hit by no planes, to be believable? Its collapse being reported by the BBC(Jane Standish) and a number of US News outlets some twenty minutes before it happened. It is actually visible in the background whilst she reports that it has collapsed. It's collapse into its own footprint looks like a controlled demolition. The collapse has been timed and shown to be at free fall speed, not physically possible in any collapse theory.
     WTC7 is the smoking gun that tells us that the official story is a lie, in my view.

WTC 7 had a large gash down the whole building from the collapse of WTC 1. WTC7 fire suppression sprinklers were all severed from the water mains due to the collapse of the WTC 1. The reporting is simply human error.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o2lRjdN8sHY/hqdefault.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BxEfjuJsPTQ/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2020, 02:39:AM
You're wasting your time.  Some people cannot encompass state sponsored terror.  It just does not compute for them.

Really?

The Shelling of Mainila, Operation Himmler and The Mukden Incident are all examples of false flags.

Difference is those actually took place and there is evidence to show it. Contrary to the looney theories about 9/11.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 13, 2020, 03:42:AM
The 9/11 attacks were discussed here in some detail.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7904.msg374999.html#msg374999
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on August 13, 2020, 11:43:AM
WTC 7 had a large gash down the whole building from the collapse of WTC 1. WTC7 fire suppression sprinklers were all severed from the water mains due to the collapse of the WTC 1. The reporting is simply human error.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o2lRjdN8sHY/hqdefault.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BxEfjuJsPTQ/hqdefault.jpg)
    Simple human error that managed to correctly predict an unprecedented event. Of course it was just simple error. Who told them this erroneous piece of information? What a strange error to make and even stranger that it then occurred. How does a gash and failed sprinklers cause a steel framed building to collapse at free fall speed?
    9/11 has been used to justify US/NATO aggression, the passing of the AUMF, ever since then and was the justification for their endless War of/on Terror.
   
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2020, 03:05:PM
    Simple human error that managed to correctly predict an unprecedented event. Of course it was just simple error. Who told them this erroneous piece of information? What a strange error to make and even stranger that it then occurred. How does a gash and failed sprinklers cause a steel framed building to collapse at free fall speed?
       

The reporters you mention have appeared on several documentaries and explained it.

Steel loses its strength under heat. Hence all the towers collapsed after the fires spread uncontrollably for a period of time.

In a typical fire scenario (Where the fire starts from within) these buildings are designed to starve the fire of oxygen. In this case all buildings had huge holes in them thus feeding the fires oxygen and all water suppression systems were cut off from plane impact and in WTC7s case the collapse of the towers.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 13, 2020, 04:15:PM
Really?

The Shelling of Mainila, Operation Himmler and The Mukden Incident are all examples of false flags.

Difference is those actually took place and there is evidence to show it. Contrary to the looney theories about 9/11.

Which country made sure they grabbed every bit of Nazi cleverness as much as they possibly could?

Which country, militarily, has the technological means to pull off something of this magnitude?

Come on, its' main allies are the UK (known as the 'master's of deception' since WW II) and Israel (need I say more).
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 13, 2020, 04:19:PM
The footage of the second plane entering the tower is weird. I've not seen an adequate explanation for the wings-impact anomaly. The only one I could think of myself, was that the weight of the jet engines, combined with the velocity of the plane, enabled the wings to do what they did. However, I don't feel my own explanation is satisfactory.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2020, 04:54:PM
9/11 has been used to justify US/NATO aggression, the passing of the AUMF, ever since then and was the justification for their endless War of/on Terror.
   

And rightly so. Same goes for Russia invading Chechnya in 1999 after Chechen Jihadists blew up four buildings in Russia killing over 300 people. You reap what you sow.

Interestingly enough there are conspiracy theories about Putin being responsible for those also.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2020, 05:07:PM
The footage of the second plane entering the tower is weird. I've not seen an adequate explanation for the wings-impact anomaly. The only one I could think of myself, was that the weight of the jet engines, combined with the velocity of the plane, enabled the wings to do what they did. However, I don't feel my own explanation is satisfactory.

What is weird about it?

(https://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/2/559781095.gif)

You can see where the wings impacted.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/19/36/f419367584b108d9f7ac9850ac2fab1d.png)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 13, 2020, 08:11:PM
What is weird about it?

(https://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/2/2/559781095.gif)

You can see where the wings impacted.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/19/36/f419367584b108d9f7ac9850ac2fab1d.png)

Look at the wing gif type shot you have posted.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2020, 09:57:PM
Look at the wing gif type shot you have posted.

What about it?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on August 13, 2020, 09:57:PM
The reporters you mention have appeared on several documentaries and explained it.

Steel loses its strength under heat. Hence all the towers collapsed after the fires spread uncontrollably for a period of time.

In a typical fire scenario (Where the fire starts from within) these buildings are designed to starve the fire of oxygen. In this case all buildings had huge holes in them thus feeding the fires oxygen and all water suppression systems were cut off from plane impact and in WTC7s case the collapse of the towers.
   Risible explanations that fail to address the obvious anomalies that require explanation.
    How did all of the supports fail simultaneously in order for free fall to take place? It is agreed by all that there was a simultaneous failure of independent steel supports.
    That you choose to believe that independent steel beams can simultaneously fail, whilst also believing that newsreaders who reported this event more than 20 minutes before it occurred made a simple mistake that requires no more explanation than calling it an error is your prerogative.
    That you also support NATO/US/UK etc. aggression wherever it occurs demonstrates that you are wedded to your position through dogma rather than reason.

   
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 13, 2020, 10:32:PM
   Risible explanations that fail to address the obvious anomalies that require explanation.
    How did all of the supports fail simultaneously in order for free fall to take place? It is agreed by all that there was a simultaneous failure of independent steel supports.
 

Its answered below. Point number 11.

https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigation (https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigation)

I think we are both out of our depth on this subject. I don't know anything about structural engineering, do you?


That you choose to believe that independent steel beams can simultaneously fail, whilst also believing that newsreaders who reported this event more than 20 minutes before it occurred made a simple mistake that requires no more explanation than calling it an error is your prerogative.

Its called Occam's razor actually.

That you also support NATO/US/UK etc. aggression wherever it occurs demonstrates that you are wedded to your position through dogma rather than reason.

Its not reasonable to believe Bush and Cheney installed demolitions inside a working office full of people undetected. An operation that would also require them to be working alongside the terrorists who perpetrated the attacks on WTC 1 and 2.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 14, 2020, 10:25:AM
What about it?

You obviously haven't watched the video I put up, which is pure stubbornness on your part.  In spite of your refusal, the issue I am referring to regarding the wings has been mentioned by several different commentators on these attacks. 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 14, 2020, 10:41:AM
Hey Roch I like your avatar.
(http://www.septclues.com/7_7%20LONDON%20BOMBINGS/BusTavistockSquareCompared1.jpg)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 14, 2020, 10:45:AM
Demolition Expert Mark Loizeaux on WTC 7

https://streamable.com/urc4w4 (https://streamable.com/urc4w4)

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 14, 2020, 10:50:AM
You obviously haven't watched the video I put up, which is pure stubbornness on your part.  In spite of your refusal, the issue I am referring to regarding the wings has been mentioned by several different commentators on these attacks.

What about the wings?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 14, 2020, 10:59:AM
Hey Roch I like your avatar.
(http://www.septclues.com/7_7%20LONDON%20BOMBINGS/BusTavistockSquareCompared1.jpg)

Thanks. Yes, I'm currently reading Nick Kollerstrom's investigation in to it. I intend to purchase the Notes from The Borderlands edition that deals with 7/7, as I understand that Larry O'Harra's take on it is probably different. I watched Anthony John Hill's video 7/7 Ripple Effect several years ago. I only found out recently that the authorities had him extradited from Ireland and imprisoned in London for the duration of one of the subsequent legal hearings... and then let him go free once the proceedings had finished.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 14, 2020, 11:01:AM
What about the wings?

Where are they?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 14, 2020, 11:10:AM
Where are they?

Most often they are located around the center length of aircraft's chassis.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 14, 2020, 11:15:AM
Most often they are located around the center length of aircraft's chassis.
So did the wings end up inside the building with the Chassis ?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/19/36/f419367584b108d9f7ac9850ac2fab1d.png)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 14, 2020, 11:38:AM
So did the wings end up inside the building with the Chassis ?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/19/36/f419367584b108d9f7ac9850ac2fab1d.png)

According to the footage, yes  :))
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 14, 2020, 02:07:PM
So did the wings end up inside the building with the Chassis ?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/19/36/f419367584b108d9f7ac9850ac2fab1d.png)

Most of the wings yes. It seems thinner outer edges of the wings did not manage to break through the outer collumns
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 14, 2020, 02:27:PM
Most of the wings yes. It seems thinner outer edges of the wings did not manage to break through the outer collumns

Please go back and look at the footage.

The entire plane, wings an' all, enters the tower. It has the appearance of literally going in to the tower 'like a knife through butter'.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 14, 2020, 04:12:PM
Please go back and look at the footage.

The entire plane, wings an' all, enters the tower. It has the appearance of literally going in to the tower 'like a knife through butter'.

What do you expect a 90 ton aircraft travelling at 490mph to do when it crashes into a structure consisting primarily of office space? ::)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 14, 2020, 06:27:PM
I would expect the hollow aluminium structure to cut through reinforced concrete and steel and disappear inside the building. And because it was travelling so fast I would expect it to pop out the other side of the building. LOL
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 15, 2020, 05:36:AM
Because the footage itself defies the laws of physics it can only be fake.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 15, 2020, 09:32:AM
I would expect the hollow aluminium structure to cut through reinforced concrete and steel and disappear inside the building. And because it was travelling so fast I would expect it to pop out the other side of the building. LOL

Swallowed whole by the building.. in one gulp.. but a hijacker's passport survived and was found in a nearby block after the event.  The 'smoking gun'.. like Tommy Mair's sports holdall.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2020, 02:18:PM
Because the footage itself defies the laws of physics it can only be fake.

So what were all the people on the ground filming on their cameras? What qualifications or proficiency in Physics do you possess that's enabled you to come to this "conclusion"? 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 15, 2020, 06:23:PM
So what were all the people on the ground filming on their cameras? What qualifications or proficiency in Physics do you possess that's enabled you to come to this "conclusion"?

The footage is referred to in video I posted. Much of it used to track the flight path. How many people do you think had close-ups of the plane entering the building?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 15, 2020, 06:39:PM
The footage is referred to in video I posted. Much of it used to track the flight path. How many people do you think had close-ups of the plane entering the building?

Considering the fact that HD camcorders were not produced in 2001. The answer is none.

Swallowed whole by the building.. in one gulp.. but a hijacker's passport survived and was found in a nearby block after the event.  The 'smoking gun'.. like Tommy Mair's sports holdall.

Of the 19 hijackers. 3 passports were recovered from the debris fields. 2 from Flight 93 in Pennsylvania and one from Flight 11 in New York. The same guys who had booked the flights and seen on CCTV at the airports the fights left from. What do you expect them to find? The passports to Mr Blobby and Spongebob Squarepants?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 15, 2020, 08:18:PM
Considering the fact that HD camcorders were not produced in 2001. The answer is none.

Of the 19 hijackers. 3 passports were recovered from the debris fields. 2 from Flight 93 in Pennsylvania and one from Flight 11 in New York. The same guys who had booked the flights and seen on CCTV at the airports the fights left from. What do you expect them to find? The passports to Mr Blobby and Spongebob Squarepants?

OK, so from one (?) instance of released footage, we can see a plane swallowed by the building, seemingly from wingtip to wingtip.  There is a large explosion, and then the aircraft fuel apparently burns, softening the steel etc etc.  After this continual inferno of aircraft fuel, molten steel and any flammable materials inside the offices on those levels, eventually, the tower collapses in free fall spitting out a blast wave of debris, including the said passport? 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 16, 2020, 07:27:AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7spHRQWJzI

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 16, 2020, 12:49:PM
OK, so from one (?) instance of released footage, we can see a plane swallowed by the building, seemingly from wingtip to wingtip.  There is a large explosion, and then the aircraft fuel apparently burns, softening the steel etc etc.  After this continual inferno of aircraft fuel, molten steel and any flammable materials inside the offices on those levels, eventually, the tower collapses in free fall spitting out a blast wave of debris, including the said passport?

The passport was recovered in the debris that fell from the impact. Hence it blew out the building with all the other stuff that was falling everywhere.

https://streamable.com/7nt7ko (https://streamable.com/7nt7ko)

None of the steel melted it wasn't hot enough. The molten metal you see pouring down the building is aluminium from the aircraft.  :))

There is literally a Jet plane shaped hole in the building!  ::)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 16, 2020, 06:24:PM
Who's that standing next to the arrow marked engine ?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 16, 2020, 10:18:PM
Who's that standing next to the arrow marked engine ?

It's a hijacker, ordered to throw his passport out the building, as a calling card.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 17, 2020, 07:17:AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2e/10/b7/2e10b74bb55e2df3a24ec02b9a0a6216.jpg)

It's Edna Cintron. Why isn't she giving First Aid to the passengers ?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 17, 2020, 02:06:PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US_%28August_2001%29.pdf/page1-640px-Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US_%28August_2001%29.pdf.jpg)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 17, 2020, 04:32:PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2e/10/b7/2e10b74bb55e2df3a24ec02b9a0a6216.jpg)

It's Edna Cintron. Why isn't she giving First Aid to the passengers ?

Oh my god. What a stupid question.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 17, 2020, 06:57:PM
What do you expect a 90 ton aircraft travelling at 490mph to do when it crashes into a structure consisting primarily of office space? ::)
The structure itself was lightweight with a core inside, it was made more for wind resistance. 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 17, 2020, 07:25:PM
The structure itself was lightweight with a core inside, it was made more for wind resistance.

Exactly. The main structure was surrounded by floor space covered by a weak exterior. Hence the plane went through the exterior easily. Not that it will stop Roch and Handyman thinking the planes were holograms.

(https://www.boweryboyshistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/site1099.jpg)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 17, 2020, 07:44:PM
Exactly. The main structure was surrounded by floor space covered by a weak exterior. Hence the plane went through the exterior easily. Not that it will stop Roch and Handyman thinking the planes were holograms.

(https://www.boweryboyshistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/site1099.jpg)
My wife and daughter visited the site last December, very moving experience she said.  The rooms were just boxes,

In essence, the building is an egg-crate construction that is about 95 percent air, explaining why the rubble after the collapse was only a few stories high.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 17, 2020, 08:18:PM
My wife and daughter visited the site last December, very moving experience she said.  The rooms were just boxes,

In essence, the building is an egg-crate construction that is about 95 percent air, explaining why the rubble after the collapse was only a few stories high.

I saw the actual towers up close when I was 9. I wish I had appreciated the visit more.  :(
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 17, 2020, 08:38:PM
I saw the actual towers up close when I was 9. I wish I had appreciated the visit more.  :(
Ive been to the petrona’s towers, they were closed though it was on a Sunday. 

I bet they were impressive buildings, would have been great to see them, you’ve always got the memory of that.

Like you said, the steel didn’t melt it distorted, causing collapsing, I read where the weak point that caused the collapse were the angle clips that supported the floor joists?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 17, 2020, 09:33:PM
Ive been to the petrona’s towers, they were closed though it was on a Sunday. 

I bet they were impressive buildings, would have been great to see them, you’ve always got the memory of that.

Like you said, the steel didn’t melt it distorted, causing collapsing, I read where the weak point that caused the collapse were the angle clips that supported the floor joists?

I still have memories of pre-9/11 air travel. Very few queues. Airport staff let me take a souvenir pen knife in my hand luggage on a flight once. Me and other kids would go into the pilots cabin, they showed us all the controls and gave us sweets. 

Had they ever caught Osama alive they should have made him go through post-9/11 air port security  in loops for the rest of his life!
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 07:07:AM
David1819

Before I reply to your dumb statement, can you link to the post where I said UA175 was a hologram ?

Quote
Exactly. The main structure was surrounded by floor space covered by a weak exterior. Hence the plane went through the exterior easily. Not that it will stop Roch and Handyman thinking the planes were holograms.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 07:34:AM
Same here. Don't remember saying that either. Though I do have concerns about the footage.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 18, 2020, 07:36:AM
I still have memories of pre-9/11 air travel. Very few queues. Airport staff let me take a souvenir pen knife in my hand luggage on a flight once. Me and other kids would go into the pilots cabin, they showed us all the controls and gave us sweets. 

Had they ever caught Osama alive they should have made him go through post-9/11 air port security  in loops for the rest of his life!
Yes, it certainly changed air travel and security after that.  In a way it changed my life, it made my mind up to move down to Essex for 8/9 years, the Son in law who was in 2 para was never at home after that.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 07:40:AM
Same here. Don't remember saying that either. Though I do have concerns about the footage.

Maybe this is where cognitive dissonance sets in.
People can't grasp the concept of media fakery, what we see on the telly isn't always true.
The best they can understand is that we think the TV networks filmed a hologram, instead of simply broadcasting fake footage.

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 07:48:AM
Maybe this is where cognitive dissonance sets in.
People can't grasp the concept of media fakery, what we see on the telly isn't always true.
The best they can understand is that we think the TV networks filmed a hologram, instead of simply broadcasting fake footage.

Remember when it looked the nose cone came out the other side?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 07:51:AM
Remember when it looked the nose cone came out the other side?

Yes and when they realised their mistake they covered it up using their screen banner, after a fade to black.

But it was too late because some people had already recorded (the nose out) on their VCRs, to be up loaded months and years later.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 09:35:AM
Yes and when they realised their mistake they covered it up using their screen banner, after a fade to black.

But it was too late because some people had already recorded (the nose out) on their VCRs, to be up loaded months and years later.

Presumably, once the plane had entered the tower, its' flimsy outer shell permitted a second breach from the inside - the soft nose cone having such force and weight for reasons already stated.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 10:05:AM
Presumably, once the plane had entered the tower, its' flimsy outer shell permitted a second breach from the inside - the soft nose cone having such force and weight for reasons already stated.

Not forgetting how the wings scythed there way through multiple layers of concrete encassed, in the steel flooring structure.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 10:10:AM
Not forgetting how the wings scythed there way through multiple layers of concrete encassed, in the steel flooring structure.

I was actually wondering whether it may have cut a corner and avoided that central construction evident in the photos put up?

On further viewing of the photo, that scenario doesn't look likely.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 18, 2020, 10:17:AM
Not forgetting how the wings scythed there way through multiple layers of concrete encassed, in the steel flooring structure.
How I understand it Handyman, they used a lightweight concrete 4” thick slabs, I read where it was the brackets  holding the steel that was the weak point?

Just to follow on with this, different steel thicknesses were used, lower levels supporting the weight would be a higher thickness needed than the upper levels.  Same as concrete used much thicker at the base than higher levels.  I would have thought the terrorists would have gone into all this, probably obtaining ibuilding plans before hand?

In the external walls of towers one and two of the World Trade Center, the steel also varied by thickness to allow for different pressure loads at different levels. In the lower levels, the thickness was most frequently around 4 inches (10 centimeters), while at higher floors, it could be as thin as 0.25 inch (0.64 centimeter) [source: FEMA].
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 10:33:AM
How I understand it Handyman, they used a lightweight concrete 4” thick slabs, I read where it was the brackets  holding the steel that was the weak point?
Brackets holding the steel.  ::) So the weak point was compromised before the plane entered the building,  the 4'' thick concrete slabs were dislodged, enabling the plane to fly through the building.
In the mean time Edna Cintron is wondering how the hell a jumbo jet lands in her office.
Who writes this stuff ?

How can an aeroplane fly through or even land into this?
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Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 18, 2020, 10:43:AM
Brackets holding the steel.  ::) So the weak point was compromised before the plane entered the building,  the 4'' thick concrete slabs were dislodged, enabling the plane to fly through the building.
In the mean time Edna Cintron is wondering how the hell a jumbo jet lands in her office.
Who writes this stuff ?
Seems that way, I don’t think they built these towers with the thought of a plane flying at them from a terrorist attack?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 10:44:AM
Brackets holding the steel.  ::) So the weak point was compromised before the plane entered the building,  the 4'' thick concrete slabs were dislodged, enabling the plane to fly through the building.
In the mean time Edna Cintron is wondering how the hell a jumbo jet lands in her office.
Who writes this stuff ?

How can an aeroplane fly through or even into this.
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RJ has added to his post (74) above.  Regarding your image, I winder how tall from floor to ceiling, the office space was on each floor.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 18, 2020, 10:58:AM
RJ has added to his post (74) above.  Regarding your image, I winder how tall from floor to ceiling, the office space was on each floor.
Good point Roch, all I know there was a lot of air space in the building.  I’ve always wondered why the planes didn’t hit lower (often used in demolition control explosions) but obviously they had to clear other buildings first.  The reason I think they had inside build knowledge, if they hit higher it probably wouldn’t have took the building down, not enough weight to cause the domino effect, they probably hit it at the correct height more or less?  Even if they could have hit at ground level, I think the steel and concrete thickness  would have been able to withstand maybe?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 10:59:AM
Seems that way, I don’t think they built these towers with the thought of a plane flying at them from a terrorist attack?

I remember reading the opposite, but I don't recall the source. Not so much terrorist attack but aeroplane impact. They would be mad not to, given that New York has so many planes overhead.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 11:05:AM
RJ has added to his post (74) above.  Regarding your image, I winder how tall from floor to ceiling, the office space was on each floor.

To maximise office space I would have thought maybe 3 metres but less than 4. The load bearing were the perimetre walls hence the reinforced concrete & steel structure. The perimetre pillars on the higher levels barely a metre apart.
(http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/12604c3b2c6cd1d7a.jpg)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 18, 2020, 11:09:AM
I remember reading the opposite, but I don't recall the source. Not so much terrorist attack but aeroplane impact. They would be mad not to, given that New York has so many planes overhead.
I think, there are one or two of these skyscrapers that can withstand plane attacks, obviously it was a mistake, they saved about £30 million doing it with cheaper steel ect, the design was more for wind resistance Roch.  When you read the thickness of steel used higher up, it’s understandable it was penetrated.

With thicker beams, the animation showed the planes disintegrating almost immediately after hitting the tower. In contrast, the airliners punched through the unreinforced exterior with little resistance.

“Like a knife cutting through soft butter,” Astaneh said. “Airplanes are not very strong, but this building was even weaker than an airplane.”

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 11:27:AM
David1819

Before I reply to your dumb statement, can you link to the post where I said UA175 was a hologram ?

You never explicitly stated it was a hologram. However your arguments are implying such, because what else could all the witness have seen and what else could all the cameras have filmed had it not been a plane?  ???

If you do not think it was a plane then you must think it was a hologram.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 11:33:AM
Good point Roch, all I know there was a lot of air space in the building.  I’ve always wondered why the planes didn’t hit lower (often used in demolition control explosions) but obviously they had to clear other buildings first.  The reason I think they had inside build knowledge, if they hit higher it probably wouldn’t have took the building down, not enough weight to cause the domino effect, they probably hit it at the correct height more or less?  Even if they could have hit at ground level, I think the steel and concrete thickness  would have been able to withstand maybe?

The North Tower stood for a lot longer since the plane struck further up and hence less weight above the impact zone.

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 11:35:AM
You never explicitly stated it was a hologram. However your arguments are implying such, because what else could all the witness have seen and what else could all the cameras have filmed had it not been a plane?  ???

If you do not think it was a plane then you must think it was a hologram.


Can you now at least link to where I implied that it was a hologram, that was screened on live TV.

What was shown live on TV was FAKED footage of an aeroplane flying into a building.
As in being broadcast from a central studio and picked up by the TV networks.
 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 11:48:AM
Seems that way, I don’t think they built these towers with the thought of a plane flying at them from a terrorist attack?


The building was designed to withstand the impact of passenger liners that existed at that time (early 70s) in an accident scenario. Not a modern Jet liner flying at full speed.

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 18, 2020, 11:50:AM

The building was designed to withstand the impact of passenger liners that existed at that time (early 70s) in an accident scenario. Not a modern Jet liner flying at full speed.

Can you now at least link to where I implied that it was a hologram, that was screened on live TV
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 11:55:AM
Can you now at least link to where I implied that it was a hologram, that was screened on live TV

What do you believe all the people on the ground witnessed when they said they saw a plane fly into the building?

If you deny planes hit the building then you must believe they saw a hologram!
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 12:14:PM

The building was designed to withstand the impact of passenger liners that existed at that time (early 70s) in an accident scenario. Not a modern Jet liner flying at full speed.

You think 70's jetliners were small? Have you not seen the intro of Hawaii Five-0?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 12:17:PM
What do you believe all the people on the ground witnessed when they said they saw a plane fly into the building?

If you deny planes hit the building then you must believe they saw a hologram!

Testimony from the ground was conflicting.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 01:02:PM
Testimony from the ground was conflicting.

Dude

After the first plane hit. Literally an entire city's populations eyes were glued to those building either from the ground or from other buildings.

There were dozens of people with their camcorders recording the second plane flying into the building. The footage is there for all to see.

There is an aircraft shaped hole in both buldings.

There is aircraft debris in the wreckage.

265 passengers boarded those planes and were never seen again.

The passengers used the phones in the arm rests to call their loved ones telling them of a Hijack.

The black boxes and flight control data all show those planes were taken off course and flown to new york and DC.

There really is no argument you can make for no planes and expect to be taken seriously.

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 01:11:PM
Dude

After the first plane hit. Literally an entire city's populations eyes were glued to those building either from the ground or from other buildings.

There were dozens of people with their camcorders recording the second plane flying into the building. The footage is there for all to see.

There is an aircraft shaped hole in both buldings.

There is aircraft debris in the wreckage.

265 passengers boarded those planes and were never seen again.

The passengers used the phones in the arm rests to call their loved ones telling them of a Hijack.

The black boxes and flight control data all show those planes were taken off course and flown to new york and DC.

There really is no argument you can make for no planes and expect to be taken seriously.

Dude, I haven't even argued there were no planes.  There was conflicting accounts given from the ground, with some describing a military plane.

How did this plane fly in to the building across several floors, with its nose cone then coming out of the other side?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 01:18:PM
And who analysed the black boxes? Was it an independent authority outside of the US? And your flying passport which exited outwards upon plane impact.. That was handy. Where do you keep your passport in mid-flight? 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 01:30:PM
The link below contains footage of the south tower plane crash at 62 different angles. Complete with the names of those people who filmed it. Are all these videos fake also?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 01:36:PM
The link below contains footage of the south tower plane crash at 62 different angles. Complete with the names of those people who filmed it. Are all these videos fake also?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o)

Already referred to in video I posted at beginning of thread.  Please catch up.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 01:38:PM
Already referred to in video I posted at beginning of thread.  Please catch up.

Do you believe all 62 videos, half of which contain audio of people screaming about a second plane hitting the building are all fake? yes or no?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 02:06:PM
Do you believe all 62 videos, half of which contain audio of people screaming about a second plane hitting the building are all fake? yes or no?

Do you believe the nose cone of the plane came out the other side of the building? Yes or No? If yes, how many of the 62 show this? You are conflating things.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 02:33:PM
Do you believe the nose cone of the plane came out the other side of the building? Yes or No? If yes, how many of the 62 show this? You are conflating things.

No.

Now answer my question

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 02:41:PM
Is this fake also?

https://www.nps.gov/flni/learn/historyculture/upload/P200056T-Transcript-CVR.pdf (https://www.nps.gov/flni/learn/historyculture/upload/P200056T-Transcript-CVR.pdf)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 18, 2020, 02:59:PM
No.

Now answer my question

I suspect something plane-like flew in to the building and was filmed by different people from different distances and angles.  Whatever they filmed had the same flight path, therefore, it was the same aircraft.

The official footage shot from in the air, is another matter. This is the footage which originally showed the nose cone coming out of the other side of the building.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 18, 2020, 03:34:PM
The link below contains footage of the south tower plane crash at 62 different angles. Complete with the names of those people who filmed it. Are all these videos fake also?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o)
Looks like and I think it was said, they angled the plane just before impact to make maximum damage to several floor levels?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 04:13:PM
Looks like and I think it was said, they angled the plane just before impact to make maximum damage to several floor levels?

From this video angle it looks like the plane was off target and they turned quickly in order not to miss?

https://streamable.com/90fas9 (https://streamable.com/90fas9)


Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest7363 on August 18, 2020, 04:31:PM
From this video angle it looks like the plane was off target and they turned quickly in order not to miss?

https://streamable.com/90fas9 (https://streamable.com/90fas9)
Yes, he’s trying to angle it and turn into the building, just a little late?  Maybe a trained pilot would have sorted this out beforehand and hit full on?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 18, 2020, 05:42:PM
Yes, he’s trying to angle it and turn into the building, just a little late?  Maybe a trained pilot would have sorted this out beforehand and hit full on?

In theory yes. In practice a trained pilot would (I hope) land safely at the intended destination.  ;D
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 19, 2020, 06:55:AM
I suspect something plane-like flew in to the building and was filmed by different people from different distances and angles.  Whatever they filmed had the same flight path, therefore, it was the same aircraft.

The official footage shot from in the air, is another matter. This is the footage which originally showed the nose cone coming out of the other side of the building.

All that matters is what was screened live in real time, which can be proven to be fake.

You make a fair point.
Just because the live to air footage was fake, it does not rule out that planes/ missile or what ever could have been used.
But obviously you cannot have 'No Plane' theory without fake footage. Once all the live feeds from the different TV networks are synchronised it can be deduced from which network, the footage was screened from to be picked up by the different networks.
It looks likely that it would have been the ABC network that spoon fed the other News Networks footage of the 9/11 2nd plane (UA175) hit, at the WTC.
Given the mysterious "beep beep" sound 17 seconds prior to UA 175 impacting the South Tower.

Go to 31min25secs : https://archive.org/details/abc200109110831-0912

 Go to 5 mins 30 secs of synched out. (ABC top left).
https://youtu.be/2p4VH7SmIZg?t=315
 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 20, 2020, 12:00:AM
All that matters is what was screened live in real time, which can be proven to be fake.

You make a fair point.
Just because the live to air footage was fake, it does not rule out that planes/ missile or what ever could have been used.
But obviously you cannot have 'No Plane' theory without fake footage. Once all the live feeds from the different TV networks are synchronised it can be deduced from which network, the footage was screened from to be picked up by the different networks.
It looks likely that it would have been the ABC network that spoon fed the other News Networks footage of the 9/11 2nd plane (UA175) hit, at the WTC.
Given the mysterious "beep beep" sound 17 seconds prior to UA 175 impacting the South Tower.

Go to 31min25secs : https://archive.org/details/abc200109110831-0912

 Go to 5 mins 30 secs of synched out. (ABC top left).
https://youtu.be/2p4VH7SmIZg?t=315

Are you smoking crack?

That’s crazy!
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 20, 2020, 05:35:AM
Are you smoking crack?

That’s crazy!

Why is it crazy ?

And you still haven't linked to the post where I inferred a hologram was screened by the networks.
This is the best explaination so far, to what I believed happened.

The Nose out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmRS4eTZ8jY

The networks synchronised.
https://youtu.be/2p4VH7SmIZg?t=315



Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 08:13:AM
Why is it crazy ?

And you still haven't linked to the post where I inferred a hologram was screened by the networks.
This is the best explaination so far, to what I believed happened.

The Nose out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmRS4eTZ8jY

The networks synchronised.
https://youtu.be/2p4VH7SmIZg?t=315

I've seen those before. The nose cone footage is particularly damning. The fade to black is blatant.

This event will have been planned for absolutely ages behind the scenes.

If I remember correctly, there was a woman imprisoned under the 'Patriot Act' because she tried to whistleblow on certain things. She later gave talks about how there were many trucks that would repeatedly visit WTC at night, in the run up to the attacks.

We'll probably never know exactly how or to what extent the hijacker aspect was managed. 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 10:18:AM

Gutting out the WTC, ready for it's demolition.

Nowt worse than faulty quote brackets. If I was still admin, I'd be driven to correct them.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 20, 2020, 10:35:AM
I've seen those before. The nose cone footage is particularly damning. The fade to black is blatant.

This event will have been planned for absolutely ages behind the scenes.

If I remember correctly, there was a woman imprisoned under the 'Patriot Act' because she tried to whistleblow on certain things. She later gave talks about how there were many trucks that would repeatedly visit WTC at night, in the run up to the attacks.

We'll probably never know exactly how or to what extent the hijacker aspect was managed.

Gutting out the WTC ready for demolition.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 11:16:AM
Gutting out the WTC ready for demolition.

So getting back to the main thrust, regarding the second aircraft. Whatever was or wasn't recorded from the ground (whether by genuine witnesses or plants), the footage originally shown by the (controlled) media corporation/s was fake. Therefore, it was a managed event.

I'll wager that a kernel of an idea for terrorists to fly planes in to WTC, was exploited, nurtured and brought to fruition by American psycopaths.

These sick fxxxs murdered their own people.  We do it here as well.


Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 20, 2020, 03:25:PM
Why is it crazy ?

And you still haven't linked to the post where I inferred a hologram was screened by the networks.
This is the best explaination so far, to what I believed happened.

The Nose out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmRS4eTZ8jY

The networks synchronised.
https://youtu.be/2p4VH7SmIZg?t=315

No. A plane hit the building. It was filmed by 62 different cameras. Everyone saw it.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 03:40:PM
No. A plane hit the building. It was filmed by 62 different cameras. Everyone saw it.

If this was simply down to a plane hitting the building, there would be no need to manage or create the official footage. How are you unable to compute that fact?  The nose cone footage (and its subsequent cover) is absolute proof that official footage released via the media channel was fabricated. Graphics technicians have already explained what went wrong.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 20, 2020, 03:41:PM
Gutting out the WTC ready for demolition.

Demolition?  You can actually see the metal bending as the towers are about to buckle. So is this footage fake also?

(https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/15d987530fb19f490198129171c8d200.gif)

(http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/5/2/827132535.gif)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 20, 2020, 03:46:PM
If this was simply down to a plane hitting the building, there would be no need to manage or create the official footage. How are you unable to compute that fact?  The nose cone footage (and its subsequent cover) is absolute proof that official footage released via the media channel was fabricated. Graphics technicians have already explained what went wrong.

There is no such thing as "official footage" footage is footage. A split second puff of debris coming the end of the building on a low resolution film is not a "nose cone"  ::)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 03:49:PM
There is no such thing as "official footage" footage is footage. A split second puff of debris coming the end of the building on a low resolution film is not a "nose cone"  ::)

Naive in the extreme. And a total misrepresentation. It's patently visible. This is no better than when an arch guilter in the Bamber case totally dismisses something purely because it doesn't suit their stance.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 03:53:PM
And not only that, you can tell the footage is a crock of shit by the way the plane 'seeps' in to the building as already discussed.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 20, 2020, 04:09:PM
Naive in the extreme. And a total misrepresentation. It's patently visible. This is no better than when an arch guilter in the Bamber case totally dismisses something purely because it doesn't suit their stance.


Its a gust of debris and air being forced out the building.

https://streamable.com/kj0897 (https://streamable.com/kj0897)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 20, 2020, 04:13:PM
And not only that, you can tell the footage is a crock of shit by the way the plane 'seeps' in to the building as already discussed.

All 62 of them?  ::)   
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 05:04:PM

Its a gust of debris and air being forced out the building.

https://streamable.com/kj0897 (https://streamable.com/kj0897)

That is clearly not what was shown on the broadcast. Why would you need to subsequently redact a gust of debris and air, by deploying a banner?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 20, 2020, 05:05:PM
All 62 of them?  ::)

Again, you are conflating.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 20, 2020, 05:40:PM
That is clearly not what was shown on the broadcast. Why would you need to subsequently redact a gust of debris and air, by deploying a banner?

What broadcast?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 21, 2020, 06:04:AM
No. A plane hit the building. It was filmed by 62 different cameras. Everyone saw it.

Err, Dave a Plane didn't hit the buiding(s). Can you elaborate on these 62 different cameras.
When you say everyone saw it are you referring to those who watched it live on tellalievision.

Also I hate to shatter your illusions, but you keep posting close up shots of the WTC with your favorite gash in it. But think about it, if the live to air footage was faked, think how easy it would be to fake any later screened footage or stills, when in damage control.

Also still waiting for you to link to the post I made inferring that  holograms were screened.

(http://www.septemberclues.info/images/NOSEIN_NOSEOUT.gif)
(http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/equinox911/fox1.gif)

Fox had to go into damage control, using one of their employees as an eye witness in this laughable eye witness account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxQ2-DcZuR4
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 21, 2020, 08:13:AM
Err, Dave a Plane didn't hit the buiding(s). Can you elaborate on these 62 different cameras.
When you say everyone saw it are you referring to those who watched it live on tellalievision.

Also I hate to shatter your illusions, but you keep posting close up shots of the WTC with your favorite gash in it. But think about it, if the live to air footage was faked, think how easy it would be to fake any later screened footage or stills, when in damage control.

Also still waiting for you to link to the post I made inferring that  holograms were screened.

(http://www.septemberclues.info/images/NOSEIN_NOSEOUT.gif)
(http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m551/equinox911/fox1.gif)

Fox had to go into damage control, using one of their employees as an eye witness in this laughable eye witness account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxQ2-DcZuR4

He's referring to mobile phone camera footage either from the ground or from buildings.  In the video I posted above, the majority of this footage is used to plot the flight path of the aircraft.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 21, 2020, 08:20:AM
Is this fake also?

https://www.nps.gov/flni/learn/historyculture/upload/P200056T-Transcript-CVR.pdf (https://www.nps.gov/flni/learn/historyculture/upload/P200056T-Transcript-CVR.pdf)

I couldn't tell you whether it was fake or not. Is this the site where there was nothing but a scorched hole in the ground... And some passports?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 21, 2020, 09:18:AM
Err, Dave a Plane didn't hit the buiding(s). Can you elaborate on these 62 different cameras.
When you say everyone saw it are you referring to those who watched it live on tellalievision.

Here are all 62 videos plus the names of those who filmed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o)

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 21, 2020, 10:23:AM
Here are all 62 videos plus the names of those who filmed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o)

None of which alters the fact that the official broadcast was graphics.  Where was the hijacker's passport situated, so that when the plane seeped in to the building (across several floors?) it was blown outwards? In his pocket or in his hand luggage?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 21, 2020, 12:07:PM
Here are all 62 videos plus the names of those who filmed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGu345fr6o)

Just more variations of the UA175 template. I see NIST have tried to cherry pick the best (for want of a better word) ones. More on NIST later.

Most of those videos are from the camera planet archives who's owner Steve Rosenbaum has made a nice earner out of manufacturing the so called 9/11 amateur videos.
Here's a prime example of the sort of video clips that have supposedly been filmed by some "amateur videographer".
https://youtu.be/9PpQSLI8VCE
 At least I can now put a name to it assuming he exists (Andrew Foster) google his name, and who can blame him from shying away from the limelight.

https://www.911memorial.org/connect/blog/filmmaker-documenting-curation-911-memorial-museum-gives-talk

 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 21, 2020, 12:39:PM
So despite 62 separate film recordings of a the plane crashing into the building. Half of which were filmed by ordinary people on the ground whom you can hear screaming about a plane hitting the building in the footage.

That’s not convincing enough for some? wow some people are bonkers.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 21, 2020, 01:05:PM
So despite 62 separate film recordings of a the plane crashing into the building. Half of which were filmed by ordinary people on the ground whom you can hear screaming about a plane hitting the building in the footage.

That’s not convincing enough for some? wow some people are bonkers.

Let's say an aircraft of some type hit the building and was filmed from below etc. That is a separate issue to what was broadcast on TV stations.  It is mainly this point which you are struggling with.  It's possible to plan and manage an event involving both aircraft  and graphics. It has probably not been done before, so nobody would have expected it. Hence people initially believed what was shown to them.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 21, 2020, 01:57:PM
Let's say an aircraft of some type hit the building and was filmed from below etc. That is a separate issue to what was broadcast on TV stations.  It is mainly this point which you are struggling with.  It's possible to plan and manage an event involving both aircraft  and graphics. It has probably not been done before, so nobody would have expected it. Hence people initially believed what was shown to them.

If aircrafts were used. Why bother with CGI? What would be the point? If you want to argue a news outlet enhanced their footage to obtain more viewers that still is not going to change the fact of what took place.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 21, 2020, 02:16:PM
If aircrafts were used. Why bother with CGI? What would be the point? If you want to argue a news outlet enhanced their footage to obtain more viewers that still is not going to change the fact of what took place.

I don't think you have given this event the required thought.  Let's say you are a Wolfovitz or a Cheney or some lesser known psychopaths within the military industrial complex - who are working to the same ends as the two mentioned above.  Why would you take the risk of allowing relatively flimsy planes and their fuel, to cause a mega outrage, the like of which has never been witnessed on American soil?

You need the outrage to justify foreign wars of aggression: including seizure of resources, regime change, the introduction of draconian laws at home etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 21, 2020, 03:35:PM
I don't think you have given this event the required thought.  Let's say you are a Wolfovitz or a Cheney or some lesser known psychopaths within the military industrial complex - who are working to the same ends as the two mentioned above.  Why would you take the risk of allowing relatively flimsy planes and their fuel, to cause a mega outrage, the like of which has never been witnessed on American soil?

You need the outrage to justify foreign wars of aggression: including seizure of resources, regime change, the introduction of draconian laws at home etc etc etc etc etc etc.

If I was a Wolfovitz or a Cheney id be so pissed about Al-Qaeda taking credit for my master plan. The same guys that bombed the twins towers 1993. Or was that an inside job also?  ::)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on August 21, 2020, 04:07:PM
If I was a Wolfovitz or a Cheney id be so pissed about Al-Qaeda taking credit for my master plan. The same guys that bombed the twins towers 1993. Or was that an inside job also?  ::)

That Ramsy bloke? Didn't he get away from them on a motorbike?

Our security services control the terror attacks we are subjected to.

It's a way of saying 'look.. Our security services are going to need a massive injection of funding, if we are to deal with this new threat' etc etc.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 21, 2020, 04:24:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0F1iFgEB10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0F1iFgEB10)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 21, 2020, 11:09:PM
So despite 62 separate film recordings of a the plane crashing into the building. Half of which were filmed by ordinary people on the ground whom you can hear screaming about a plane hitting the building in the footage.

That’s not convincing enough for some? wow some people are bonkers.

 You are letting your logistical analysis of being attached to the official 9/11 narrative dictate the science.
 
I'm bonkers because I question the authenticity of this. (Unless this is what you think is a hologram I'm still waiting for you to link to the post where I infer a hologram was used.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PpQSLI8VCE&feature=emb_logo

More laughable images.
Jennifer Spell using her video camera with the amazing zoom in shot.
(http://www.septclues.com/ANIMATED%20GIF%20FILES%20sept%20clues%20research/JENNIFERSfence.gif)

Evan Fairbanks shot of the plane entering the building with no deceleration.
(http://www.septclues.com/ANIMATED%20GIF%20FILES%20sept%20clues%20research/NooGood.gif)
Here we have someone having fun, (but obviously still learning) with his simcity computor game.
(http://www.septclues.com/PICTURES%20sept%20clues%20research/911%20SIMCITY/SIMCITYseries1.jpg)

https://media.contentapi.ea.com/content/dam/gin/images/2017/01/simcity-key-art.jpg.adapt.crop1x1.767p.jpg
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 22, 2020, 03:14:PM
Here is BinLaden and other members of his organisation admitting to 9/11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tSy2Qi8mr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tSy2Qi8mr0)

In the comments

"I speak Arabic fluently. I could not hear a lot of the dialog but I was able to confirm key points where he was talking about planes hitting the twin towers. His spoke with glee ,while smiling, as he described the attack in detail. It's makes me feel sick"

I guess this footage must be fake along with the other 62 videos of the attack! Bush and Cheney really worked hard on this!  ::)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on August 22, 2020, 10:50:PM
Here is BinLaden and other members of his organisation admitting to 9/11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tSy2Qi8mr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tSy2Qi8mr0)

In the comments

"I speak Arabic fluently. I could not hear a lot of the dialog but I was able to confirm key points where he was talking about planes hitting the twin towers. His spoke with glee ,while smiling, as he described the attack in detail. It's makes me feel sick"

I guess this footage must be fake along with the other 62 videos of the attack! Bush and Cheney really worked hard on this!  ::)

You're clutching at straws now, that video was of such poor quality any dialogue could have been dubbed into it.
Here's another comment from the video. (not that I agree with it.
Quote
You do realize the guy in this video claiming these things literally looks NOTHING LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN. That's because it's not. It's a staged thing. Wahabbi extremist Islam ideology comes from Saudi Arabia. They think that other Muslims who are not extremist Wahabbis are infidels. Saudi Arabia brought down the towers and we are conspiring with them to bring war to Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. Wake the fuck up. Your country lied to you.

Bush & Cheney didn't have to 'work hard on it', they could just sit back and let it happen then Cheney can watch his Halliburton shares increase with the invasion of Iraq.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on August 26, 2020, 09:10:PM

https://streamable.com/phd264 (https://streamable.com/phd264)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 07, 2020, 01:58:PM


https://streamable.com/h5olku (https://streamable.com/h5olku)

What is handyman's explanation for the above?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on September 08, 2020, 08:14:AM

https://streamable.com/h5olku (https://streamable.com/h5olku)

What is handyman's explanation for the above?

Look at the buildings in the back ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHiIg13lhvQ
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 08, 2020, 04:26:PM
Look at the buildings in the back ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHiIg13lhvQ

You posted a video of SimCity. LOL
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on September 08, 2020, 11:30:PM
You posted a video of SimCity. LOL

Exactly, because that's how the buildings were inserted in the back ground at the start of your video, using a Green Screen as a back drop.
Quote
In layperson’s terms, it’s superimposing one image or video stream over another so it looks like one image or stream.
https://www.techsmith.com/blog/how-to-create-a-diy-green-scre/

Haven't you grasped anything that I've posted on this thread.

Why do you think the post 9/11 image pool was assembled using simcity software with the same color hues, it's because some of  the buidings for the Manhattan 9/11 landscape, are no longer there.

For what ever reason you started this thread. Your whole world view has been shattered as you seek to find incorrections over what I and Roch have posted.

The best you can do is every couple of weeks post meaningless easily debunked videos.
Stick to watching Top Gun.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on September 12, 2021, 09:36:PM
This organisation has been around a while. I had forgot about them: https://www.ae911truth.org/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 12, 2021, 10:09:PM
These documents are being declassified now -


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/03/9-11-documents-declassification-509468 (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/03/9-11-documents-declassification-509468)

https://nypost.com/2021/09/12/fbi-releases-new-documents-detailing-help-given-to-saudi-hijackers-during-9-11/ (https://nypost.com/2021/09/12/fbi-releases-new-documents-detailing-help-given-to-saudi-hijackers-during-9-11/)

Maybe we will be able to access a fully unredacted copy of the "28 pages".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_28_pages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_28_pages)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: lookout on September 13, 2021, 11:45:AM
If the blame went to BinLaden, why did Bush and Blair go after Saddam Hussein instead ? It's how the whole thing seemed to me anyway.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 13, 2021, 01:08:PM
If the blame went to BinLaden, why did Bush and Blair go after Saddam Hussein instead ? It's how the whole thing seemed to me anyway.

Because Saddam Hussein condoned the 9/11 attacks. Combined with his possible involvement with the Iranian Embassy siege, the 1993 world trade centre bombings and funding for Palestinian suicide bombers then on top of that his ability and avidity to produce and use weapons of mass destruction on innocent people.

The Bush Doctrines approach was that if there was a 1% chance of Al-Qaeda obtaining WMDs from Iraq it should be treated a certainty.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on September 13, 2021, 01:49:PM
Because Saddam Hussein condoned the 9/11 attacks. Combined with his possible involvement with the Iranian Embassy siege, the 1993 world trade centre bombings and funding for Palestinian suicide bombers then on top of that his ability and avidity to produce and use weapons of mass destruction on innocent people.

The Bush Doctrines approach was that if there was a 1% chance of Al-Qaeda obtaining WMDs from Iraq it should be treated a certainty.

Nowt to do with oil and resources then? Or military-industrial complex aims?  It's unreal how brainwashed you actually are at times. It was the US who built Saddam up in the first place! 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 13, 2021, 04:10:PM
Nowt to do with oil and resources then? Or military-industrial complex aims?  It's unreal how brainwashed you actually are at times. It was the US who built Saddam up in the first place!

Conspiratards always remind me how "brainwashed" I am.  ::)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 14, 2021, 12:32:AM
Because Saddam Hussein condoned the 9/11 attacks. Combined with his possible involvement with the Iranian Embassy siege, the 1993 world trade centre bombings and funding for Palestinian suicide bombers then on top of that his ability and avidity to produce and use weapons of mass destruction on innocent people.

The Bush Doctrines approach was that if there was a 1% chance of Al-Qaeda obtaining WMDs from Iraq it should be treated a certainty.
   There is literally zero evidence or even real suspicion behind any of those claims. You are a brainwashed drone
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 18, 2021, 06:41:PM
   There is literally zero evidence or even real suspicion behind any of those claims. You are a brainwashed drone

Saddam Hussein said in response to 9/11 - "The American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity"

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2011/9/5/9-11-the-world (https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2011/9/5/9-11-the-world)

If that is condoning the attacks.

Saddam Hussein gave $260,000 dollars to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinians-get-saddam-charity-checks/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinians-get-saddam-charity-checks/)

That is supporting terrorism.

PS: conspiratards always tell me how "brainwashed" I am.  ::)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 18, 2021, 06:49:PM
Saddam Hussein said in response to 9/11 - "The American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity"

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2011/9/5/9-11-the-world (https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2011/9/5/9-11-the-world)

If that is condoning the attacks.

Saddam Hussein gave $260,000 dollars to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinians-get-saddam-charity-checks/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinians-get-saddam-charity-checks/)

That is supporting terrorism.

PS: conspiratards always tell me how "brainwashed" I am.  ::)

it wasnt just him a lot of people said it here as well possbly somthing to do with the fact its true.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 18, 2021, 06:53:PM
it wasnt just him a lot of people said it here as well possbly somthing to do with the fact its true.

He was the only world leader to condone the attacks. Read the article I posted.


Even North Korea condemned the 9/11 attacks.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 19, 2021, 03:06:PM
Saddam Hussein said in response to 9/11 - "The American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity"

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2011/9/5/9-11-the-world (https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2011/9/5/9-11-the-world)

If that is condoning the attacks.

Saddam Hussein gave $260,000 dollars to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinians-get-saddam-charity-checks/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinians-get-saddam-charity-checks/)

That is supporting terrorism.

PS: conspiratards always tell me how "brainwashed" I am.  ::)
   You seem confused, David.
    The Al Jazeera article that you linked to damages rather than enhances your pathetic points.
    For instance;
   "The world must unite to fight against terrorism in all its forms and root out this modern day evil," said then Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf later revealed that he had been told by the US that "you are either with us or against us". The US defence secretary then issued an even sterner warning, saying that if Pakistan did not cooperate, it would be "bombed back to the Stone Age"  
   Also from the same article;
    Abdul Salam Zaeef (pictured), the Taliban(***)s ambassador to Pakistan, said: "We want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain and we hope that the courts find justice." Wakeel Ahmed Mutawakel, the Afghan foreign minister, told Al Jazeera that his government "denounce[d] this terrorist attack, whoever is behind it"

    Sounds like Saddam was just making an obvious observation to me. The US bombed and occupied Afghanistan for twenty years on an entirely false premise. The Taliban agreed to hand over Bin Laden if the US forwarded any evidence that Bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attacks. They offer their support, in this article that you posted, and got bombed and occupied.
    Pakistan were threatened with being "bombed back into the stone age" by the US.
    What was that about supporting terrorism?
    Giving money to the families of suicide bombers is an act of charity, not supporting terrorism. To support terrorism he would have to assist, in some way, the suicide bombers. You are too brainwashed to even think for yourself. Supporting terrorism is funding, arming and training mercenaries to wage war in sovereign states who refuse to cooperate or threatening to bomb those who refuse to cooperate "back into the stone age"
   
   
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 19, 2021, 03:48:PM
   You seem confused, David.
    The Al Jazeera article that you linked to damages rather than enhances your pathetic points.
    For instance;
   "The world must unite to fight against terrorism in all its forms and root out this modern day evil," said then Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf later revealed that he had been told by the US that "you are either with us or against us". The US defence secretary then issued an even sterner warning, saying that if Pakistan did not cooperate, it would be "bombed back to the Stone Age"  
   Also from the same article;
    Abdul Salam Zaeef (pictured), the Taliban(***)s ambassador to Pakistan, said: "We want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain and we hope that the courts find justice." Wakeel Ahmed Mutawakel, the Afghan foreign minister, told Al Jazeera that his government "denounce[d] this terrorist attack, whoever is behind it"

    Sounds like Saddam was just making an obvious observation to me. The US bombed and occupied Afghanistan for twenty years on an entirely false premise. The Taliban agreed to hand over Bin Laden if the US forwarded any evidence that Bin Laden was involved in the 9/11 attacks. They offer their support, in this article that you posted, and got bombed and occupied.
    Pakistan were threatened with being "bombed back into the stone age" by the US.
    What was that about supporting terrorism?
    Giving money to the families of suicide bombers is an act of charity, not supporting terrorism. To support terrorism he would have to assist, in some way, the suicide bombers. You are too brainwashed to even think for yourself. Supporting terrorism is funding, arming and training mercenaries to wage war in sovereign states who refuse to cooperate or threatening to bomb those who refuse to cooperate "back into the stone age"
   
   

The Taliban never had any intention of handing Binladen over, regardless of what they claim. The UN unanimously demanded that the Taliban hand over Binlanden in 1999. Yet they done nothing.

https://www.un.org/press/en/1999/19991015.sc6739.doc.html (https://www.un.org/press/en/1999/19991015.sc6739.doc.html)

Giving people a financial incentive to blow themselves up and kill others is not charity its supporting terrorism.

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html (https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html)

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 19, 2021, 04:14:PM
    A White House archive making unsubstantiated claims is your source  :))

   Sheltering the MEK. Sounds bad. Wonder what they are doing now?;
   https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-trump-rajavi
   
   They are now treated as a "government in waiting" in the US because they oppose the Iranian government.
   The US have funded and armed so much terror and devastation around the world that any charges emanating from them are immediately rendered worthless.
   Even the article that you posted earlier demonstrates your inability to see past your own self imposed blinkers. All that you got from the article was some nonsense about Saddam supporting terrorism whilst completely missing the explicit threats from the US to bomb a country "back into the stone age" for lack of cooperation.
    That you happily overlook this makes you incapable of a discussion of world affairs.

   
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 19, 2021, 05:12:PM
    A White House archive making unsubstantiated claims is your source  :))
   

They are not unsubstantiated. PLF, MKO, MEK ect all had operations going on in Baathist Iraq in some form or another.


   
   Sheltering the MEK. Sounds bad. Wonder what they are doing now?;
   https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-trump-rajavi
   
   They are now treated as a "government in waiting" in the US because they oppose the Iranian government.
   

That was three years ago. Times have changed. What Trump and his clowns have done is no longer relevant. Trump, Rudy and Co encouraged an insurrection on the capitol and became buddies with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-Un. Why should anyone be surprised?

The Biden administration is already distancing itself from MEK (and righty so).

https://asiatimes.com/2021/04/iran-exile-group-blacked-out-in-biden-policy-shift/ (https://asiatimes.com/2021/04/iran-exile-group-blacked-out-in-biden-policy-shift/)


   
   The US have funded and armed so much terror and devastation around the world that any charges emanating from them are immediately rendered worthless.

Your opinion there is non binding and therefore irrelevant.

   
Even the article that you posted earlier demonstrates your inability to see past your own self imposed blinkers. All that you got from the article was some nonsense about Saddam supporting terrorism whilst completely missing the explicit threats from the US to bomb a country "back into the stone age" for lack of cooperation.

Only someone autistic would take "back into the stone age" literally.

 
    That you happily overlook this makes you incapable of a discussion of world affairs.


Keep projecting  8)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 19, 2021, 06:32:PM
    Only someone autistic would take "back into the stone age" literally

   Have you been paying attention at all? Do you think that the Pakistani prime minister regarded it as mere rhetorical hyperbole? Is this standard US diplomacy? Of course he meant it.
   It is the US/NATO standard procedure.
   
   You must be one of the last holdouts still clinging to the obvious lies of Empire regarding every other regime/countries alleged aggression.

   It is obvious that you believe anything which confirms your existing bias. From the same article that you posted, remember, as your "evidence" we are now to figure out what is meant "literally" and what isn't. Saddam "condoning" 9/11 attackers by observing that the "American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity" means he is condoning terrorism but threatening a Prime Minister of another country that his country will be "bombed back to the stone age" is just a bit of banter.
   Your understanding of world affairs could be dictated by the UK Foreign Office.
   
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 19, 2021, 07:01:PM
    Only someone autistic would take "back into the stone age" literally

   Have you been paying attention at all? Do you think that the Pakistani prime minister regarded it as mere rhetorical hyperbole? Is this standard US diplomacy? Of course he meant it.
   It is the US/NATO standard procedure.
   

Interestingly enough, Richard Armitage denies ever saying that to Musharraf.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14943975 (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14943975)

Musharraf only first mentioned this in 2006 when was writing a book.

As for "standard procedure" then show me an example of a country literally being bombed to the stone age.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 19, 2021, 07:20:PM
Interestingly enough Richard Armitage denies ever saying that to Musharraf.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14943975 (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14943975)

Musharraf only first mentioned this in 2006 when was writing a book.

As for "standard procedure" then show me an example of a country literally being bombed to the stone age.
   I'm spoilt for choice.
     Laos Bombing Casualties and Legacy
By 1975, one-tenth of the population of Laos, or 200,000 civilians and members of the military, were dead. Twice as many were wounded. Seven hundred and fifty thousand, a full quarter of the population, had become refugees—including General Vang Pao himself. Declassified documents show that 728 Americans died in Laos, most of whom were working for the CIA. The secret war in Laos, or the Laos Civil War to many who lived through it, set a precedent for a more militarized CIA with the power to engage in covert conflicts around the world.
      Does that count?
      I could go on and on...
      Perhaps find out yourself about the US bombing in the Korean War where barely a building was left standing. Infrastructure deliberately targeted and destroyed. Does that count?
      How about the bombing campaigns in Libya, Iraq(Mosul etc.), Syria(Raqqa)?
      This barely scratches the surface of brutal US bombing campaigns. Arguing that the US wouldn't "bomb a country back into the stone age" is the stupidest argument ever, flying, as it does, in the face of observable reality.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 19, 2021, 07:50:PM
   I'm spoilt for choice.
     Laos Bombing Casualties and Legacy
By 1975, one-tenth of the population of Laos, or 200,000 civilians and members of the military, were dead. Twice as many were wounded. Seven hundred and fifty thousand, a full quarter of the population, had become refugees—including General Vang Pao himself. Declassified documents show that 728 Americans died in Laos, most of whom were working for the CIA. The secret war in Laos, or the Laos Civil War to many who lived through it, set a precedent for a more militarized CIA with the power to engage in covert conflicts around the world.
      Does that count?
      I could go on and on...
      Perhaps find out yourself about the US bombing in the Korean War where barely a building was left standing. Infrastructure deliberately targeted and destroyed. Does that count?
      How about the bombing campaigns in Libya, Iraq(Mosul etc.), Syria(Raqqa)?
      This barely scratches the surface of brutal US bombing campaigns. Arguing that the US wouldn't "bomb a country back into the stone age" is the stupidest argument ever, flying, as it does, in the face of observable reality.

The stone age was a time when people had no writing systems, no language and no buildings. They lived in caves and most of the time would not know how to produce fire. All they had was literally sticks and stones.

(https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/The-Other-Side-of-History_Paleolithic-Period-Who-Were-the-Neanderthals_QBS_Thumbnail.jpg)


Laos and North Korea remained sovereign political states with geographic, and cultural organization such as common language, culture customs and rule of law still in place. The stone age had none of this. Any country reduced to the Paleolithic times would no longer exist as a country since the stone ages never had such entities. Had North Korea been bombed to the stone age they wouldn't have even been able to sign the paper work. Any country bombed to the stone age would be like the North Sentinel Island is today.

So no, none of those count. Try again.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 19, 2021, 09:38:PM
The stone age was a time when people had no writing systems, no language and no buildings. They lived in caves and most of the time would not know how to produce fire. All they had was literally sticks and stones.

(https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/The-Other-Side-of-History_Paleolithic-Period-Who-Were-the-Neanderthals_QBS_Thumbnail.jpg)


Laos and North Korea remained sovereign political states with geographic, and cultural organization such as common language, culture customs and rule of law still in place. The stone age had none of this. Any country reduced to the Paleolithic times would no longer exist as a country since the stone ages never had such entities. Had North Korea been bombed to the stone age they wouldn't have even been able to sign the paper work. Any country bombed to the stone age would be like the North Sentinel Island is today.

So no, none of those count. Try again.
   You are a moron. Giving countless examples of brutal US bombing campaigns doesn't count. Are you saying that the threat issued to Pervez Musharraf only meant that the US will bomb you mercilessly, destroy your infrastructure but leave you some pens and paper.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 20, 2021, 01:55:PM
how do we explian th complete of amercan air defences that day those plans should of been stoped why wasnt the air force sent in to stop them.

how did they get through the radar without being noticed.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Roch on September 20, 2021, 02:02:PM
There is footage that puts things beyond doubt regarding the fakery.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 20, 2021, 02:17:PM
funny the were allready planning for a waar before the attacks happend isnt it.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 20, 2021, 06:37:PM
The stone age was a time when people had no writing systems, no language and no buildings. They lived in caves and most of the time would not know how to produce fire. All they had was literally sticks and stones.

(https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/The-Other-Side-of-History_Paleolithic-Period-Who-Were-the-Neanderthals_QBS_Thumbnail.jpg)


Laos and North Korea remained sovereign political states with geographic, and cultural organization such as common language, culture customs and rule of law still in place. The stone age had none of this. Any country reduced to the Paleolithic times would no longer exist as a country since the stone ages never had such entities. Had North Korea been bombed to the stone age they wouldn't have even been able to sign the paper work. Any country bombed to the stone age would be like the North Sentinel Island is today.

So no, none of those count. Try again.

Bombing a country to the stone age would literally require every person educated above the age of five to be killed off in order to ensure the next generation has no education or learning what so ever.

And so, only someone autistic could possible take such a threat literally. And to make matters worse it was an unsubstantiated claim for a book launch that Gringo accepted hook line and sinker.  :))
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 20, 2021, 10:24:PM
Bombing a country to the stone age would literally require every person educated above the age of five to be killed off in order to ensure the next generation has no education or learning what so ever.

And so, only someone autistic could possible take such a threat literally. And to make matters worse it was an unsubstantiated claim for a book launch that Gringo accepted hook line and sinker.  :))
    The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" after the September 11 attacks if the country did not cooperate with America's war on Afghanistan, it emerged yesterday.

In an interview to be aired on CBS television this weekend Pakistan's president, General Pervez Musharraf, said the threat was delivered by the assistant secretary of state, Richard Armitage, in conversations with Pakistan's intelligence director.

"The intelligence director told me that (Mr Armitage) said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age'," Gen Musharraf was quoted as saying. The revelation that the US used extreme pressure to secure Pakistan's cooperation in the war on terror arrived at a time of renewed unease in the US about its frontline ally.

Gen Musharraf told CBS he was stunned at the bluntness of the US approach in the aftermath of the attacks. "I think it was a very rude remark," he said. But he yielded to the request.

Mr Armitage disputes the language used, CBS said, but he did not deny that Pakistan was put on notice to help America's war effort.

    Armitage "disputes the language used...but he did not deny that Pakistan was put on notice..."
    So Armitage doesn't deny the threat just the language used.
    Your "debating points" are made in such bad faith, it suggests that you are either trolling badly or really are as moronic as you appear. Bombing back into the stone age is a term understood by everyone but you apparently. The world has watched the US launch brutal bombings targeting civilians and vital infrastructure. This is widely understood to be the meaning of this
    Only a bootlicker like you could possibly imagine that arguing over the literal meaning of the phrase is any kind of argument or defence of US behaviour.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: gringo on September 20, 2021, 10:34:PM
There is footage that puts things beyond doubt regarding the fakery.
funny the were allready planning for a waar before the attacks happend isnt it.
how do we explian th complete of amercan air defences that day those plans should of been stoped why wasnt the air force sent in to stop them.

how did they get through the radar without being noticed.

   All of that. There is so much information that makes the official story not only implausible but impossible.
   WTC 7 has to be the biggest smoking gun to me, but we are spoilt for choice. It was WTC 7 that caused my wife to question the official narrative. Like the majority of people she was unaware of a third building collapsing. The reporting of the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before it collapsed by the BBC (Jane Standing) spells out foreknowledge. Not by Jane Standing, who was just reading what was handed to her (before David deliberately misinterprets) but foreknowledge is clear. The evidence of controlled demolition of WTC 7 and the foreknowledge tell us we were watching a pre planned narrative on 9/11
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 21, 2021, 09:36:AM
how do we explian th complete of amercan air defences that day those plans should of been stoped why wasnt the air force sent in to stop them.

how did they get through the radar without being noticed.

Firstly the commission concluded that the protocols in-place were not designed to deal with such an attack.

"In sum, the protocols in place on 9/11 for the FAA and NORAD to respond to a hijacking presumed that

-the hijacked aircraft would be readily identifiable and would not attempt to disappear;

-there would be time to address the problem through the appropriate FAA and NORAD chains of command;

-and hijacking would take the traditional form: that is, it would not be a suicide hijacking designed to convert the aircraft into a guided missile.

On the morning of 9/11, the existing protocol was unsuited in every respect for what was about to happen."



https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch1.htm (https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch1.htm)

As for getting through the radar. There was no radar to pass through. The flights took off from within American airspace.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 21, 2021, 10:12:AM
   All of that. There is so much information that makes the official story not only implausible but impossible.
   WTC 7 has to be the biggest smoking gun to me, but we are spoilt for choice. It was WTC 7 that caused my wife to question the official narrative. Like the majority of people she was unaware of a third building collapsing. The reporting of the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before it collapsed by the BBC (Jane Standing) spells out foreknowledge. Not by Jane Standing, who was just reading what was handed to her (before David deliberately misinterprets) but foreknowledge is clear. The evidence of controlled demolition of WTC 7 and the foreknowledge tell us we were watching a pre planned narrative on 9/11

Now you are being a conspiratard again. Why would the conspirators in this fictional version of yours  have to pre-script what was about to happen, as if the BBC staff are incapable of reporting what is right in-front of them? And why was only the BBC given this advanced foreknowledge script and no other news organisation? Did the conspirators forget to hand out the script to NBC, CNN and Fox?

Back to reality - The firefighters realised the building 7 was coming down hours before it did and told everyone to clear. They knew this by assessing the damage. That is where the "foreknowledge" originated from and by the time it came to the BBC it was misinterpreted as having already happened.  ::)

"Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then."

https://web.archive.org/web/20120109093424/http://www.firehouse.com/article/10567885/deputy-chief-peter-hayden?page=5 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120109093424/http://www.firehouse.com/article/10567885/deputy-chief-peter-hayden?page=5)

Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: handyman on September 23, 2021, 11:53:PM
Quote
Back to reality - The firefighters realised the building 7 was coming down hours before it did and told everyone to clear. They knew this by assessing the damage. That is where the "foreknowledge" originated from and by the time it came to the BBC it was misinterpreted as having already happened. 

What was the time when the BBC first announced the collapse of WTC7 ?

https://youtu.be/877gr6xtQIc
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on November 19, 2021, 05:10:PM
the iis a good doc the unspeakable.

https://youtu.be/11RwCm_OaGc
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest29835 on November 20, 2021, 08:26:AM
One reason I have never accepted the more radical expressions of scepticism about 9/11 is due to having construction experience and knowledge of my own.  This means that a lot of what I see and hear from sceptics seems technically naive, and occasionally laughable.  I am not an expert, let me stress, but I have sufficient knowledge to realise that the way the buildings came down is quite feasible and need not be explained by an elaborate conspiracy.  However, I should also stress that I am not familiar with the specifications of the buildings as they once were, so it is always possible that my view about this is wrong and something still more sinister occurred that day.  With those important caveats out of the way, here is what I think.

It is quite likely that each floor of these buildings could not safely bear the weight of the floor above.  Thus, both buildings collapsed under their own weight - quite literally.  The cumulative destructive effect of each floor bearing a progressively greater weight is why we saw the buildings collapse within their own footprint.  Think of what happens when you contract the bellows of a concertina, and imagine each bellow as a floor of a building. 

There were other factors in addition.  The buildings were completed in, I think, 1973, so I would guess that the steel frame structures were probably riveted together, and therefore were quite vulnerable, and could easily be weakened by the catastrophic impacts of the planes and the resultant fires.  The base structures were particularly vulnerable and probably imploded, contributing to the collapse and giving the impression of a 'controlled demolition'.  Similar observations can be made about WC7 (allowing, of course, for the fact that there was no plane impact in that case).  (As an aside, and if memory serves, I believe at least one building within the WTC complex survived intact, but was later demolished). 

Arguably, better precautionary building design could have helped to minimise the loss of life.  For instance, reinforced joists could have been included at strategic points within the buildings.  This would have been expensive but could have saved lives. 

None of this precludes what might be termed a deep conspiracy, and this is the narrative I would lean towards. In other words, the official explanation of 9/11, as contained in the Kean/Hamilton Report (a copy of which everybody on this thread should have read before commenting), is largely accurate and certainly accurate in its technical account of the attack itself and how the buildings fell.  There is no reason it should be anything other than accurate.  This is where, I believe, the radical sceptics fall into error, in that they focus on an operational conspiracy, as if the United States would condone, let alone launch, an entirely fictitious tactical attack on a major commercial building accommodating thousands of office workers.  The real conspiracy, if there was one, was political, and concerns who orchestrated the whole thing. There is some circumstantial evidence that both the Israelis and insiders within the United States government and security apparatus had advance knowledge.  However, please bear in mind that we had 28 years of organised terrorist attacks by the Provisional IRA in mainland Great Britain, and the British authorities rarely - if ever - had advance knowledge that something was going on, and it's doubtful any other country did.

The broader point is why do we need skyscrapers at all?  The whole phenomenon seems to be driven by land economics.  Exceptions allowing, I've always found these cathedrals of commerce to be ugly and slightly sinister, and the change in architectural styles seems to have tracked the decline in aesthetics of Western civilisation as a whole.  The few that I like tend to be from the Neoclassical and Art Deco styles: the Chrysler Building (New York), The John Hancock Center (Chicago), The Sun Life Building (Montreal), and the Château Frontenac (Quebec City) are examples.  Though I also think there is merit in a lot of contemporary architecture and I enjoy looking at interesting postmodern designs, such as the neo-constructivism of Rogers' Lloyds Building or the archaic modern style of the John Lewis building in Leeds.  Deconstructivism seems like junk, but there are some ad hoc highlights, such as the Ontario Museum, the Guggenheim, the National Stadium in Beijing and the Weisman Museum.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: lookout on November 20, 2021, 08:39:AM
Or as Prince Charles calls modern buildings, carbuncles----and he's right. I don't like modern either, they never stand the test of time like a well built 100 year old building. Many of our drains are Victorian !
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: guest29835 on November 20, 2021, 08:48:AM
Or as Prince Charles calls modern buildings, carbuncles----and he's right. I don't like modern either, they never stand the test of time like a well built 100 year old building. Many of our drains are Victorian !

Not that I condone their actions, but I'm convinced that, in attacking those buildings, the terrorists were also making a statement about the vulgarity of modern commercialism, in all its manifestations - not least in ugly buildings.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on February 16, 2022, 08:40:PM
thi is rom entru intreting the bbc were reporting the towers ha fell  before they had  https://youtu.be/O3IvRPGVFmk
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: lookout on February 19, 2022, 01:13:PM
Polygraphs being used for terrorist prisoners after terrorist failed test and was sent back to prison.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Steve_uk on February 19, 2022, 02:20:PM
Polygraphs being used for terrorist prisoners after terrorist failed test and was sent back to prison.
It's about time we got tough on potential offenders, just as we did during the Second World War. I'm sick and tired of hearing of these people dragging the legal process out for a decade with taxpayers footing the bill.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 10, 2022, 12:17:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/09/9-11-21st-anniversary-events/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 11, 2022, 10:43:AM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/11/9-11-archives-on-the-physics-of-high-rise-building-collapses/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 11, 2022, 06:43:PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHp_d7MGFgc
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 11, 2022, 07:13:PM
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/11/18/evidence-for-informed-trading-on-the-attacks-of-september-11/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 11, 2022, 07:19:PM
NutNut stop posing these conspiratard links. You are making an idiot out of yourself.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 11, 2022, 07:22:PM
NutNut stop posing these conspiratard links. You are making an idiot out of yourself.

when i start caring what  you think ill bear that in mind
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Cambridgecutie on September 11, 2022, 09:41:PM
NutNut stop posing these conspiratard links. You are making an idiot out of yourself.

Says he who has made thousands of posts over years telling us that Annie Eaton contaminated the silencer with diluted period blood; diluted being the operative word!
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 11, 2022, 11:16:PM
Says he who has made thousands of posts over years telling us that Annie Eaton contaminated the silencer with diluted period blood; diluted being the operative word!

Beats your lab industrial frame theory that you are too embarrassed to go into detail about because it's so crazy. Unless you've had one too many and decide some unfortunate person on the other end of the telephone needs to hear about it.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Cambridgecutie on September 12, 2022, 09:14:AM
Beats your lab industrial frame theory that you are too embarrassed to go into detail about because it's so crazy. Unless you've had one too many and decide some unfortunate person on the other end of the telephone needs to hear about it.

If you can't produce a post it rather begs the question whether I ever spoke the words.  And if I did whether they were said in jest.  I suspect you're on the Autistic spectrum and struggle with jesting.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 12, 2022, 12:54:PM
If you can't produce a post it rather begs the question whether I ever spoke the words.  And if I did whether they were said in jest.  I suspect you're on the Autistic spectrum and struggle with jesting.

If you cannot remember the telephone conversations you have had with other people on this forum, I suggest you stick to more facile tasks such as watching dads army.

The relatives all supplied blood samples and RB's type/group matched that found in the silencer too.

The above shows you have not only forgotten this once but twice!

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/186-196.htm (https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/186-196.htm)
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 12, 2022, 06:51:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/12/watch-covid19-11-narratives-intertwined-full-version/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 13, 2022, 01:29:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/13/watch-false-flags-the-secret-history-of-al-qaeda-part-3/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Cambridgecutie on September 15, 2022, 01:08:PM
If you cannot remember the telephone conversations you have had with other people on this forum, I suggest you stick to more facile tasks such as watching dads army.

The above shows you have not only forgotten this once but twice!

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/186-196.htm (https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/186-196.htm)

I never said I didn't make posts about the relatives supplying blood samples and RWB's groups matching Sheila's groups so want point are you endeavouring to make?

I suggest you keep giving us all a laugh with your ridiculous theories eg 'forensic evidence breatkthrough' and 'diluted period blood' contaminating the silencer.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 15, 2022, 02:34:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/14/audio-9-11-and-covid19-false-flags-in-the-same-long-war-on-humanity/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 15, 2022, 03:21:PM
I never said I didn't make posts about the relatives supplying blood samples and RWB's groups matching Sheila's groups so want point are you endeavouring to make?


You said earlier this month that you had never seen any evidence to support this. Despite seeing it on another forum and you must have seen it prior to 2018 in order to make that post in 2013. Make sense?

I suggest you keep giving us all a laugh with your ridiculous theories eg 'forensic evidence breatkthrough' and 'diluted period blood' contaminating the silencer.   ;D ;D

As long as I can remember subjects and can see what's right in-front of me, that is all that matters.  8)


"To dispute with a drunkard is to debate with an empty house." - Publilius Syrus
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Cambridgecutie on September 15, 2022, 04:38:PM
You said earlier this month that you had never seen any evidence to support this. Despite seeing it on another forum and you must have seen it prior to 2018 in order to make that post in 2013. Make sense?

You are either cherry picking or have forgotten yourself.  I said the only reference I had seen re the relatives supplying blood samples and RWB's blood groups matching Sheila's was Wilkes' book.  I read Wilkes' book in 2012.  Make sense?  More recently I said I hadn't seen any evidence to support Wilkes' claims.  Whether I saw the doc you uploaded here recently on IA I can't recall.  There's nothing remarkable about it so why would it be something I would particularly take an interest in and note mentally for future ref? 

As long as I can remember subjects and can see what's right in-front of me, that is all that matters.  8)

What matters in a case like this is discerning fact from fiction and the relevant from the irrelevant.  What is remotely relevant in the relatives' blood groupings one of which matches Sheila's which is exactly what you would expect based on the statistical fact that about 8% of the white British population would be expected to share Sheila's groupings as per defence expert Dr Lincoln.

"To dispute with a drunkard is to debate with an empty house." - Publilius Syrus

Why bother responding to my posts, or even care what I think, if you have me down as a drunkard?
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: David1819 on September 15, 2022, 05:02:PM
Why bother responding to my posts, or even care what I think, if you have me down as a drunkard?

I do not care what you think. I have had you on my ignore list since the Summer of 2018. However if the   woman with many masks (also you) attempts to mislead the forum and post under false pretences, I will high-light such behaviour for the sake of the other members on here.
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Cambridgecutie on September 15, 2022, 06:07:PM
I do not care what you think. I have had you on my ignore list since the Summer of 2018. However if the   woman with many masks (also you) attempts to mislead the forum and post under false pretences, I will high-light such behaviour for the sake of the other members on here.

If you have me on ignore how are you even seeing my posts?  Posts I might add that you are not seeing as a result of being quoted by others!

You are in no position to talk about misleading others after your bullshit claim of a 'forensic evidence breakthrough' in 2016 along with your nonsensical theory about Annie Eaton contaminating the silencer with diluted period blood. 
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 16, 2022, 09:35:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/16/watch-the-amazing-parallels-between-9-11-and-covid19/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on September 19, 2022, 09:07:PM
https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/19/watch-james-corbett-at-the-9-11-truth-film-festival/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on January 21, 2023, 12:04:AM
a bit from joe rogan https://youtu.be/Z7JJbEMJONE
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on April 19, 2023, 07:29:PM
intresting cliam https://youtu.be/gOzRc0vOUuU
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on October 01, 2023, 03:34:PM
im amae at this https://off-guardian.org/2023/09/27/major-victory-for-9-11-family-uk-attorney-general-withdraws-decision-on-application-for-new-inquest/
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: Steve_uk on October 07, 2023, 12:41:PM
im amae at this https://off-guardian.org/2023/09/27/major-victory-for-9-11-family-uk-attorney-general-withdraws-decision-on-application-for-new-inquest/
It's all grist for the mill I suppose. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9928641/Family-Brit-killed-9-11-terror-attacks-demand-new-inquest.html
Title: Re: The September 11 attacks
Post by: nugnug on February 06, 2024, 11:12:AM
https://off-guardian.org/2024/02/06/family-of-9-11-victim-vows-to-keep-fighting-for-new-inquest-after-uk-attorney-general-denies-them-a-second-time/