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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on March 27, 2011, 04:59:PM
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Sheila Caffell had a graze on her abdomen (covered with a dressing)
According to the pathologist, Sheila had a graze on her abdomen, which was covered by a dressing at the time he conducted the autopsy upon her corpse...
I was wondering how this was caused, and who put the dressing upon it?
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Sheila Caffell had a graze on her abdomen (covered with a dressing)
According to the pathologist, Sheila had a graze on her abdomen, which was covered by a dressing at the time he conducted the autopsy upon her corpse...
I was wondering how this was caused, and who put the dressing upon it?
Mike
Did the pathologist give any further information about the graze?
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Sheila Caffell had a graze on her abdomen (covered with a dressing)
According to the pathologist, Sheila had a graze on her abdomen, which was covered by a dressing at the time he conducted the autopsy upon her corpse...
I was wondering how this was caused, and who put the dressing upon it?
Mike
Did the pathologist give any further information about the graze?
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No, he just mentions that when he carried out the autopsy, that she had a graze on her lower abdomen, that was covered with a dressing...
I was just wondering, what caused the graze, and who and when it was covered with the dressing?
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Surely if we are going down this line we are saying that SC was wounded, so was not the killer
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She shot herself ih the throat and missed the vital mark. Oh well might as well have a go on my abdomen, bugger try rhe head again. Success. Get real
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Just read my report, sorry new keypad
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I was just pointing out, that according to the pathologist, Peter venezis, Sheila had a graze on her lower abdomen, which he states was covered with a dressing - I was just wondering how she got that graze, when, and who dressed it?
I am also wondering at what stage June Bamber got the black eye, that the pathologist also stated she had got, and whether or not this could be linked to the fact that she missed her regular bible class that Tuesday evening?
Was Sheila's graze on her abdomen, and June Bambers black eye (swollen eye) linked to any dispute both had had the previous evening?
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cant speculate on the graze, it could have happened by accident days before the murders.
if it did happen on the night of the murders, sheila would hardly bother dressing a mere graze when she intends to kill herself.
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even so called waterproof plasters dont survive having a bath or shower very well so the presumption in the absence of any conflicting evidence will fall to be that Sheila herself dressed her "graze" wound on her abdomen.
It is plausible that , without evidence to the contrary, that Sheila could have grazed herself in the course of killing the others and dressed it herself.
Totally predicting what a schizophrenic may do is not to be relied upon.
We cannot even be sure she intended to kill herself...or whether if she did intend to kill herself ..then how she wanted to present herself to others of the afterlife as she saw it.
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I was just pointing out, that according to the pathologist, Peter venezis, Sheila had a graze on her lower abdomen, which he states was covered with a dressing - I was just wondering how she got that graze, when, and who dressed it?
I am also wondering at what stage June Bamber got the black eye, that the pathologist also stated she had got, and whether or not this could be linked to the fact that she missed her regular bible class that Tuesday evening?
Was Sheila's graze on her abdomen, and June Bambers black eye (swollen eye) linked to any dispute both had had the previous evening?
Have been wondering about this. I am not quite familiar with the word "graze", I mean how large it is - tried to google and the pics that came up were semi large. Anyway, it is an unusual place to have an injury, lower abdomen, and it must have been substantial enough to put a dressing on.
Could June´s black eye have been from the fatal attack? you can tell by the colour. And hadn´t Nevill a black eye too - from the attack? Or from when one of the Boutflours punched him in the face(!)?
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I believe that it was easton that punched Ralph. What a wanker. Supposed he thought he was a real hardcase. To punch a 62 year old gentle man he probably gave his wife a spanking too.
The more I here about this lot, the more I find them detestable.
The only thing in thier favour is that they FOUND all the evidence to convict JB, and they have had to struggle on since then. Mind you the money must have come in handy, or did they donate it to charity.
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I believe that it was easton that punched Ralph. What a wanker. Supposed he thought he was a real hardcase. To punch a 62 year old gentle man he probably gave his wife a spanking too.
The more I here about this lot, the more I find them detestable.
The only thing in thier favour is that they FOUND all the evidence to convict JB, and they have had to struggle on since then. Mind you the money must have come in handy, or did they donate it to charity.
Sorry, Easton. Thanks.
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I believe that it was easton that punched Ralph. What a wanker. Supposed he thought he was a real hardcase. To punch a 62 year old gentle man he probably gave his wife a spanking too.
The more I here about this lot, the more I find them detestable.
The only thing in thier favour is that they FOUND all the evidence to convict JB, and they have had to struggle on since then. Mind you the money must have come in handy, or did they donate it to charity.
Sorry, Easton. Thanks.
WHAT.
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I believe that it was easton that punched Ralph. What a wanker. Supposed he thought he was a real hardcase. To punch a 62 year old gentle man he probably gave his wife a spanking too.
The more I here about this lot, the more I find them detestable.
The only thing in thier favour is that they FOUND all the evidence to convict JB, and they have had to struggle on since then. Mind you the money must have come in handy, or did they donate it to charity.
Sorry, Easton. Thanks.
WHAT.
Should have said EATON, Peter Eaton punched Nevill in the face, not one of the Boutflours. That´s all.
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I believe that it was easton that punched Ralph. What a wanker. Supposed he thought he was a real hardcase. To punch a 62 year old gentle man he probably gave his wife a spanking too.
The more I here about this lot, the more I find them detestable.
The only thing in thier favour is that they FOUND all the evidence to convict JB, and they have had to struggle on since then. Mind you the money must have come in handy, or did they donate it to charity.
Sorry, Easton. Thanks.
WHAT.
Should have said EATON, Peter Eaton punched Nevill in the face, not one of the Boutflours. That´s all.
Then why say thanks.
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I believe that it was easton that punched Ralph. What a wanker. Supposed he thought he was a real hardcase. To punch a 62 year old gentle man he probably gave his wife a spanking too.
The more I here about this lot, the more I find them detestable.
The only thing in thier favour is that they FOUND all the evidence to convict JB, and they have had to struggle on since then. Mind you the money must have come in handy, or did they donate it to charity.
Sorry, Easton. Thanks.
WHAT.
Should have said EATON, Peter Eaton punched Nevill in the face, not one of the Boutflours. That´s all.
Then why say thanks.
Well, you pointed out that I wrote the wrong name.
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I was just pointing out, that according to the pathologist, Peter venezis, Sheila had a graze on her lower abdomen, which he states was covered with a dressing - I was just wondering how she got that graze, when, and who dressed it?
I am also wondering at what stage June Bamber got the black eye, that the pathologist also stated she had got, and whether or not this could be linked to the fact that she missed her regular bible class that Tuesday evening?
Was Sheila's graze on her abdomen, and June Bambers black eye (swollen eye) linked to any dispute both had had the previous evening?
It's an interesting suggestion... but how will we ever know?
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if it did happen on the night of the murders, sheila would hardly bother dressing a mere graze when she intends to kill herself.
Sheila didn't kill herself, either downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs on the far side of the bed, or on the bedroom floor!
Cops had Sheila dead in the kitchen 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45am (by way of suicide) and still there by 8.10am! Cops had her body upstairs dead on the far side of the bed at 8.44am, and by 9.05am laid dead on top of the bed with one shot to her neck, and dead again on the bedroom floor by 9.30am, by which stage she had been shot twice to the neck!
It would be interesting to hear what guilters' have to say regarding how it was at all possible for Jeremy Bamber to have had any influence over what was occurring inside the farmhouse involving the body of his sister, here, there, and everywhere, downstairs, upstairs, on the laundry room floor, on the kitchen floor, on the far side of the bed, on the bed, and eventually on the bedroom floor - Jeremy Bamber was really very influential in fooling the police into thinking that his sister's dead body was everywhere and anywhere inside the farmhouse after the raid team got into the farmhouse!
Between themselves, cops couldn't even work out whether the gun was at the box room window, the main bedroom window, on the right hand side of the body, removed altogether from the body or placed back on the body, at different times of the police investigation between 7.15am, and 11.10am...
Similarly, the Bible led a somewhat charmed life, since when DS Jones and DC Clark saw Sheila's body laying on top of the bed alongside the body of June Bambers dead body, the Bible was resting on top not Sheila's body (the rifle wasn't), yet by the time SOCO took photographs of Sheila's body in its final resting place on the main bedroom floor, the Bible was resting upon and against the outside of her upper right arm, and by then the rifle which had been resting non the bed in between the bodies of Sheila and June, was now resting on Sheila's chest with her right hand clutching it!
So, let's not hear about the bush, Sheila didn't shoot and kill herself, and Jeremy Bamber didn't shoot and kill his sister! The only persons who could have shot Sheila were the cops themselves, nobody else is in the frame! How the hell could Sheila already be dead downstairs in the kitchen from as early as 7.35am, only shot once? How could she by 8.44am, be declared to be dead upstairs on the far side of the bed, again at a time when she had only been shot once? How can her body have been laid on top of the bed, next to the body of June Bamber, with a Bible on her chest by this stage, and shecstill only having been shot once? If all these reports and sightings of Sheila's body were true, how then did she end up on the main bedroom floor with a second bullet wound to her neck? How come that by the time the Coroner's officer (PC Wright) arrived at the scene by 9.30am, Sheila's body was now on the bedroom floor without the rifle either on her body, or on the floor next to her body, yet by the time SOCO start taking crime scene photographs of Sheila's body there, the rifle is being clutched to her body, the barrel of which is resting on her chest (where previously the Bible had been about an hour or so beforehand), all this and Jeremy Bamber be the killer?
Nobody has made any of this up, the evidence is all there in the police files!