Jeremy Bamber Forum
JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on September 12, 2016, 10:49:AM
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So many false rumours have been circulating regarding where I first came into contact with Jeremy in prison. The truth of the matter is that this occurred in March 1989, and lasted until the end of July 1990. We were both inmates at HMP Full Sutton, on B Wing. At that stage there were only four wings at Full Sutton, A, B, C and D. Each wing had 100 individual cells, but due to the fact that Full Sutton was a newly built facility, there were originally only two hand fulls of prisoners incarcerated on each of these four wings. This was because the authorities needed a skeleton inmate presence to help get the facility up and running. In the early days most of us were assigned cleaning duties, on the wing, and education centre, or we worked in the kitchens preparing the meals, and some other inmates worked behind the server dishing the food out. A couple of years later, two more wings were added to the original four of A, B, C, D, which became known as E and F wing. One or other or both of these new wings I think became known as protection wings where vulnerable prisoners were kept out of harm's way. I was never incarcerated in either of these latter wings. I served time twice at HMP Full Sutton, the first occasion I was on B Wing, and the second time on D wing. Any rumours that I had been kept on a sex offenders wing is plainly false. Jeremy Bamber was not the only Category A prisoner on B Wing when I was in custody with him, almost everybody incarcerated there were also Category A prisoner, but others like myself were Category B prisoners. In the main, most prisoners in there at that time on our wing, and the other three wings, were lifers, or people serving lengthy terms of imprisonment 15 years and upwards. A few inmates like myself and a handful of others were currently serving sentences 8 years, 10 years, and 12 years. We had been sent to Full Sutton because we were considered to be incorrigible Career Criminals, with no prospect of rehabilitation. Some people have suggested that somebody like me could never have been in the same prison as someone like Jeremy, let alone be on the same wing as him. But I was, and others like me, were. After the first six months or so, the wing population started to increase with incoming fresh recruits toward it's full capacity, and workshops, and the new education facilities opened, which paved the way for me to come into contact with Jeremy and other high profile prisoners of the IRA and UDA who were housed on the other three wings (A, C, and D). Jeremy, and some of the convicted terrorists enrolled on a business Studies Course, whilst I studied Economics, Sociology, philosophy and English Literature, English Speaking, and Cookery classes.
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So many false rumours have been circulating regarding where I first came into contact with Jeremy in prison. The truth of the matter is that this occurred in March 1989, and lasted until the end of July 1990. We were both inmates at HMP Full Sutton, on B Wing. At that stage there were only four wings at Full Sutton, A, B, C and D. Each wing had 100 individual cells, but due to the fact that Full Sutton was a newly built facility, there were originally only two hand fulls of prisoners incarcerated on each of these four wings. This was because the authorities needed a skeleton inmate presence to help get the facility up and running. In the early days most of us were assigned cleaning duties, on the wing, and education centre, or we worked in the kitchens preparing the meals, and some other inmates worked behind the server dishing the food out. A couple of years later, two more wings were added to the original four of A, B, C, D, which became known as E and F wing. One or other or both of these new wings I think became known as protection wings where vulnerable prisoners were kept out of harm's way. I was never incarcerated in either of these latter wings. I served time twice at HMP Full Sutton, the first occasion I was on B Wing, and the second time on D wing. Any rumours that I had been kept on a sex offenders wing is plainly false. Jeremy Bamber was not the only Category A prisoner on B Wing when I was in custody with him, almost everybody incarcerated there were also Category A prisoner, but others like myself were Category B prisoners. In the main, most prisoners in there at that time on our wing, and the other three wings, were lifers, or people serving lengthy terms of imprisonment 15 years and upwards. A few inmates like myself and a handful of others were currently serving sentences 8 years, 10 years, and 12 years. We had been sent to Full Sutton because we were considered to be incorrigible Career Criminals, with no prospect of rehabilitation. Some people have suggested that somebody like me could never have been in the same prison as someone like Jeremy, let alone be on the same wing as him. But I was, and others like me, were. After the first six months or so, the wing population started to increase with incoming fresh recruits toward it's full capacity, and workshops, and the new education facilities opened, which paved the way for me to come into contact with Jeremy and other high profile prisoners of the IRA and UDA who were housed on the other three wings (A, C, and D). Jeremy, and some of the convicted terrorists enrolled on a business Studies Course, whilst I studied Economics, Sociology, philosophy and English Literature, English Speaking, and Cookery classes.
I know that Cat A and B prisoners are mixed. A friend of mine is a prison officer at Frankland and they are mixed there and in Durham. Always have been. Not sure if it's true of evey HS prison but it does happen. Jeremy has mentioned being in prison with you (or certainly given that impression) in the letters you have posted so there is no doubt that it's true. If it weren't true, I'm sure he'd have indicated that by now.
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I know that Cat A and B prisoners are mixed. A friend of mine is a prison officer at Frankland and they are mixed there and in Durham. Always have been. Not sure if it's true of evey HS prison but it does happen. Jeremy has mentioned being in prison with you (or certainly given that impression) in the letters you have posted so there is no doubt that it's true. If it weren't true, I'm sure he'd have indicated that by now.
Jeremy is only amongst a handful of prisoners that I knew or came across with a Category AAA status. Most of the other lifers, murderers and killers were just Category A. Being Categorised an A prisoner means that you are 'on the book', and regular checks have to be carried out on these prisoners every 15 minutes to half an hour during the night. Night lights are left on until morning. Once I became somebody who Jeremy trusted, I asked him what was the difference between being a Category A status, and a Category AAA status? Jeremy told me that in the event of World War three breaking out, all Category AAA prisoners would be shot. I never bothered to check whether what he told me was true or not, other than it got me thinking about what would happen to all the other graded prisoners in the system in that scenario?
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People have been making up stories about me for nigh on two and a half decades, claiming that I am supposed to be a nonce, a pervert, someone who has spent time on a sex offenders wing, and that I am supposed to be on the sex offenders register. But every single one of those stories is totally untrue. It just goes to show how low some people will stoop with the intention of trying to cause trouble for one person or another. I suppose in a funny sort of a way, my taking an interest in Jeremy's plight hasn't helped matters, what with him being convicted of the murders of two little boys who were sleeping at the time he is convicted of killing them. But, how did I know whether he had done what he has been convicted of doing? There is nothing wrong with trying to find out for yourself, if someone did what they are convicted of doing, or they didn't. I found it challenging for me to have to sit patiently listening to 'his script', day after day, until I did not need to be told over and over, his script. It was only then, did I start to ask of him, things which I thought were an issue in his prosecution - 'Did you kill your family'? I asked him, he responded by saying, ' No, I did not kill my family'...
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People have been making up stories about me for nigh on two and a half decades, claiming that I am supposed to be a nonce, a pervert, someone who has spent time on a sex offenders wing, and that I am supposed to be on the sex offenders register. But every single one of those stories is totally untrue. It just goes to show how low some people will stoop with the intention of trying to cause trouble for one person or another. I suppose in a funny sort of a way, my taking an interest in Jeremy's plight hasn't helped matters, what with him being convicted of the murders of two little boys who were sleeping at the time he is convicted of killing them. But, how did I know whether he had done what he has been convicted of doing? There is nothing wrong with trying to find out for yourself, if someone did what they are convicted of doing, or they didn't. I found it challenging for me to have to sit patiently listening to 'his script', day after day, until I did not need to be told over and over, his script. It was only then, did I start to ask of him, things which I thought were an issue in his prosecution - 'Did you kill your family'? I asked him, he responded by saying, ' No, I did not kill my family'...
I never asked him that question again, since I trusted my judgement, which told me that this person was telling me the truth. It wasn't just the words he used when he answered my question, it was the manner with which he spoke those few words - 'No, I did not kill my family'...
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How did other prisoners treat Jeremy? Did they think him innocent?
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Mike I can vouch for the feeling of " being a monster " because you happen to support someone who " has murdered two little boys " and unfortunately mud sticks so what people can't say about you, they make up.
I'm in no doubt that what must have been pm'd between the guilters,and indeed said on an open forum,that between the pair of us we'd have a damning case against them,but hey-ho the day of reckoning so far as JB is concerned will loom ever closer and prove us both right.
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Mike I can vouch for the feeling of " being a monster " because you happen to support someone who " has murdered two little boys " and unfortunately mud sticks so what people can't say about you, they make up.
I'm in no doubt that what must have been pm'd between the guilters,and indeed said on an open forum,that between the pair of us we'd have a damning case against them,but hey-ho the day of reckoning so far as JB is concerned will loom ever closer and prove us both right.
Seriously Lookout, this isn't about you and nothing you have said has anyone running for the hills. Speaking for myself, I have no need to PM anyone about you. ::)
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Seriously Lookout, this isn't about you and nothing you have said has anyone running for the hills. Speaking for myself, I have no need to PM anyone about you. ::)
I remain under no illusions that what I have posted hasn't gone down well with a few.
I'm well aware it isn't about ME,why would you say it was ? I couldn't care less really.
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How did other prisoners treat Jeremy? Did they think him innocent?
The general feeling between those who had to live alongside Jeremy, and those he studied with, were chiefly sympathetic to his predicament. However, one or two did voice their opinion that he was of course guilty. Most people kept their opinions to themselves, and reasoned that his sister could have killed the others, then herself. Prisons throughout the length and breadth of the country were full of 'innocent', men and women, so why couldn't Bambers case fall into that category? Just because a jury had convicted him of committing the murders, it doesn't mean that he did, or had. What matters, is what was presented in evidence as part of the prosecutions case, versus what they withheld and hid away through a fear that to have disclosed it, would seriously underpin their own case...
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In have chatted with and to, many an innocent man in prison. It turns out that most of them were guilty after all, but victims of a lie, or a dodgy piece of evidence. I learned this lesson quickly...
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The general feeling between those who had to live alongside Jeremy, and those he studied with, were chiefly sympathetic to his predicament. However, one or two did voice their opinion that he was of course guilty. Most people kept their opinions to themselves, and reasoned that his sister could have killed the others, then herself. Prisons throughout the length and breadth of the country were full of 'innocent', men and women, so why couldn't Bambers case fall into that category? Just because a jury had convicted him of committing the murders, it doesn't mean that he did, or had. What matters, is what was presented in evidence as part of the prosecutions case, versus what they withheld and hid away through a fear that to have disclosed it, would seriously underpin their own case...
It must be hard for a convicted child killer in prison.
People like Ian Huntley who it was proved he killed Jessica, and Holly.
I still don't think it has been proved that Jeremy was a child killer.
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It must be hard for a convicted child killer in prison.
People like Ian Huntley who it was proved he killed Jessica, and Holly.
I still don't think it has been proved that Jeremy was a child killer.
Certainly not " beyond reasonable doubt ",buddy,with Jeremy,that is.
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It must be hard for a convicted child killer in prison.
People like Ian Huntley who it was proved he killed Jessica, and Holly.
I still don't think it has been proved that Jeremy was a child killer.
Well, he is certainly convicted as being one, but sufficient doubt exists for him not to be one...
Most people would be prepared to accept that Sheila could have overpowered June and her two little boys, but not Ralph. And, that the length of the rifle with a silencer fitted would have been too long to allow Sheila to have been able to shoot and kill herself with the weapon so configured. Her blood found inside the silencer as presented to the court was obviously such a powerful part of the prosecutions case, that the jury were left with no option but to convict him, rather than aportion responsibility for Sheila's death to herself. By default the decision about who had shot Sheila, with the only two contenders being Sheila and Jeremy, he was convicted of the other four murders by implication, without the requirement for the prosecution to prove he had killed any of the other victims individually...
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So many false rumours have been circulating regarding where I first came into contact with Jeremy in prison. The truth of the matter is that this occurred in March 1989, and lasted until the end of July 1990. We were both inmates at HMP Full Sutton, on B Wing. At that stage there were only four wings at Full Sutton, A, B, C and D. Each wing had 100 individual cells, but due to the fact that Full Sutton was a newly built facility, there were originally only two hand fulls of prisoners incarcerated on each of these four wings. This was because the authorities needed a skeleton inmate presence to help get the facility up and running. In the early days most of us were assigned cleaning duties, on the wing, and education centre, or we worked in the kitchens preparing the meals, and some other inmates worked behind the server dishing the food out. A couple of years later, two more wings were added to the original four of A, B, C, D, which became known as E and F wing. One or other or both of these new wings I think became known as protection wings where vulnerable prisoners were kept out of harm's way. I was never incarcerated in either of these latter wings. I served time twice at HMP Full Sutton, the first occasion I was on B Wing, and the second time on D wing. Any rumours that I had been kept on a sex offenders wing is plainly false. Jeremy Bamber was not the only Category A prisoner on B Wing when I was in custody with him, almost everybody incarcerated there were also Category A prisoner, but others like myself were Category B prisoners. In the main, most prisoners in there at that time on our wing, and the other three wings, were lifers, or people serving lengthy terms of imprisonment 15 years and upwards. A few inmates like myself and a handful of others were currently serving sentences 8 years, 10 years, and 12 years. We had been sent to Full Sutton because we were considered to be incorrigible Career Criminals, with no prospect of rehabilitation. Some people have suggested that somebody like me could never have been in the same prison as someone like Jeremy, let alone be on the same wing as him. But I was, and others like me, were. After the first six months or so, the wing population started to increase with incoming fresh recruits toward it's full capacity, and workshops, and the new education facilities opened, which paved the way for me to come into contact with Jeremy and other high profile prisoners of the IRA and UDA who were housed on the other three wings (A, C, and D). Jeremy, and some of the convicted terrorists enrolled on a business Studies Course, whilst I studied Economics, Sociology, philosophy and English Literature, English Speaking, and Cookery classes.
good to see you kept busy .thats the best thing to do in prison ,learning courses and keeping fit.bird is far easier to do when one keeps busy :)
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Mike I can vouch for the feeling of " being a monster " because you happen to support someone who " has murdered two little boys " and unfortunately mud sticks so what people can't say about you, they make up.
I'm in no doubt that what must have been pm'd between the guilters,and indeed said on an open forum,that between the pair of us we'd have a damning case against them,but hey-ho the day of reckoning so far as JB is concerned will loom ever closer and prove us both right.
very much looking forward to it :)
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Good.
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Good.
what sort of time scale are we talking about :)
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Why are you asking lookout about timescales? As we all know the legal system trundles along at its own pace with no intervention possible. As soon as another appeal , if there is one , is launched . I am sure we will all be aware at the same time.
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Why are you asking lookout about timescales? As we all know the legal system trundles along at its own pace with no intervention possible. As soon as another appeal , if there is one , is launched . I am sure we will all be aware at the same time.
the question was for lookout 'not you' she being in touch with jb might know things other members dont.if you want to reply for her than please dont state the obvious
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the question was for lookout 'not you' she being in touch might know things other members dont.if you want to reply for her than please dont state the obvious
Ahh my mistake. Thought you were winding her up.
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Ahh my mistake. Thought you were winding her up.
not this time
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What a xxxx !!
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The Governor at HMP Full Sutton, was a Mr Staples when I was on the same (B) wing as Jeremy (1989 /1990). He kept a small aircraft in a workshop garage inside the prison walls. He used to fly at the week-end from a nearby small airfield. Everyone thought it was hilarious that the governor had his own plane that he kept under lock and key within the confines of the prison walls. There was no prospect of any prisoner hijacking the plane and flying off into the horizon because there were anti aircraft measures taken on the sports fields preventing air craft from landing and taking off from there...
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Jeremy used to go to gym classes in the evenings to keep fit, he was heavily into weight lifting...
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In those days I didn't need to go to the gym much because I was naturally fit and healthy. I suppose it was this natural ability to be fit without the need to engage in weight training, and circuit training that almost took me into the limelight with the Scottish Champions (Celtic) as a professional footballer. 8th January, 1974, was the day I had arrived by train into Glasgow central, at the start of a month long trial, with the Lisbon Lions...
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In those days I didn't need to go to the gym much because I was naturally fit and healthy. I suppose it was this natural ability to be fit without the need to engage in weight training, and circuit training that almost took me into the limelight with the Scottish Champions (Celtic) as a professional footballer. 8th January, 1974, was the day I had arrived by train into Glasgow central, at the start of a month long trial, with the Lisbon Lions...
I was 18 years old, and I was met at the train station by Sean Fallon, the then Caretaker Manager of Celtic Football club. I was supposed to have been greeted by Jock Stein himself, but he had been involved in a serious road traffic accident, and was hospitalised. Our local village football team (St Mary's Catholic football club) was managed by a boyhood friend of Jock Steins, named, Mr Hagatty. I used to play football on Saturday and Sundays every week-end. In the season prior to my departure up to Glasgow I had netted 74 goals whilst playing for teams on the Saturday and the Sunday. I was regarded as a prolific goal scorer, a talent which had been recognised since I was 14 years of age. As a schoolboy footballer, I was signed up with Huddersfield town on school boy forms. I had had trials with Hull city (as a goal keeper), with Shrewsbury Town, as an inside left, and Sheffield Wednesday as a centre half. When I went to Glasgow Celtic, I was being touted as a prolific goal scoring centre forward. But, Celtic already had a legend in the making, a bloke named Kenny Dalgliesh, he was a year older than me, but already somewhat established in the squad, and earmarked as a potential superstar of the future...
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On my arrival at Park head, on my 18th birthday, Mr Fallon introduced me to the club and Scotland captain, 'Bobby Murdock'...
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Bobby Murdock was a cult hero in Scotland and around the world, it was a great pleasure for him to take me around Park head and show me the changing rooms, and the collection of trophies amassed by the club in recent times. One such trophy was a European cup. I remember feeling in awe of being in someone so famous' company. He was a gentleman and treated me with respect. One of the characters Mr Murdock introduced to me on that Sunday morning, was a wee genius footballer by the name, 'Jimmy Johnstone'. He was in receiving physiotherapy on that first day I spent at the club. What a brilliant introduction I was given by the club on that particular occasion...
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Bobby Murdock was a cult hero in Scotland and around the world, it was a great pleasure for him to take me around Park head and show me the changing rooms, and the collection of trophies amassed by the club in recent times. One such trophy was a European cup. I remember feeling in awe of being in someone so famous' company. He was a gentleman and treated me with respect. One of the characters Mr Murdock introduced to me on that Sunday morning, was a wee genius footballer by the name, 'Jimmy Johnstone'. He was in receiving physiotherapy on that first day I spent at the club. What a brilliant introduction I was given by the club on that particular occasion...
Oh, the memories...
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15 years later, there I was on B Wing, serving sentences totalling 60+ years, in the company of Jeremy, and other convicted murderers, terrorists, and armed robbers (there I was, in the flesh one of them, so far removed from a life style that could have been mine, if I had but knuckled down)...
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15 years later, there I was on B Wing, serving sentences totalling 60+ years, in the company of Jeremy, and other convicted murderers, terrorists, and armed robbers (there I was, in the flesh one of them, so far removed from a life style that could have been mine, if I had but knuckled down)...
To be truthful, I only ever played half a game with many of the Lisbon Lyons, and that was at Dunfermline. I was brought on at half time, scored a brillant goal but the referee disallowed it because one of our players had strayed offside. We scored twice more but both goals got disallowed for one reason or another. The game ended 0 - 0...
It had been snowing that particular week-end, hence why most of the first team were given a run out during the game. The first team game versus either Dundee, or Dundee United, had been called off due to the appallingg weather conditions. Which was the reason why I was only given half a game. I played my heart out but I simply wasn't up to scratch, so they released me back south to England. I wasn't disappointed, not in the slightest, because I reasoned that I was being compared to professional footballers who had all been very successful. It was an honour to have trained with the squad, and played half a game against Dunfermline...
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To be truthful, I only ever played half a game with many of the Lisbon Lyons, and that was at Dunfermline. I was brought on at half time, scored a brillant goal but the referee disallowed it because one of our players had strayed offside. We scored twice more but both goals got disallowed for one reason or another. The game ended 0 - 0...
It had been snowing that particular week-end, hence why most of the first team were given a run out during the game. The first team game versus either Dundee, or Dundee United, had been called off due to the appallingg weather conditions. Which was the reason why I was only given half a game. I played my heart out but I simply wasn't up to scratch, so they released me back south to England. I wasn't disappointed, not in the slightest, because I reasoned that I was being compared to professional footballers who had all been very successful. It was an honour to have trained with the squad, and played half a game against Dunfermline...
upon my return south to England I played for High Green Villa and we won 9 -0, I scored all 9 goals and got a standing ovation at the end of the game. That was one great memory that I will always remember and cherish...
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upon my return south to England I played for High Green Villa and we won 9 -0, I scored all 9 goals and got a standing ovation at the end of the game. That was one great memory that I will always remember and cherish...
hi mike, wow at least you have those memories. In life you only need to take one wrong turn and it goes doesn't it. My husband would probably be around the same age as you , he took the right turn and played professional football for nigh on 20 years.
don't dwell on what could have been though mike, cherish the memories but make new ones too, good ones that is. Try and enjoy your life. Life isn't all about getting job freed, move away from your horrible neighbours, get a different job, anything that can take you away from the drudgery of it all.
It's never too late. But if you don't do anything different nothing will change.
I think you should give yourself a big pat on the back for everything you have done for jb and hopefully when he is released one day you can say , I helped him out.
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What a lovely and caring post,notsure.
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What a lovely and caring post,notsure.
thanks lookout
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hi mike, wow at least you have those memories. In life you only need to take one wrong turn and it goes doesn't it. My husband would probably be around the same age as you , he took the right turn and played professional football for nigh on 20 years.
don't dwell on what could have been though mike, cherish the memories but make new ones too, good ones that is. Try and enjoy your life. Life isn't all about getting job freed, move away from your horrible neighbours, get a different job, anything that can take you away from the drudgery of it all.
It's never too late. But if you don't do anything different nothing will change.
I think you should give yourself a big pat on the back for everything you have done for jb and hopefully when he is released one day you can say , I helped him out.
Thank you, for your advice, and encouragement...
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Mike , do you know if the defence ever saw Sheila's diaries?
also can you say how the Colp found the alleged suicide note?
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15 years later, there I was on B Wing, serving sentences totalling 60+ years, in the company of Jeremy, and other convicted murderers, terrorists, and armed robbers (there I was, in the flesh one of them, so far removed from a life style that could have been mine, if I had but knuckled down)...
stop talking rubbish mike ,you were never a cat A prisoner ,so you would NEVER meet jb
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stop talking rubbish mike ,you were never a cat A prisoner ,so you would NEVER meet jb
There are letters on here from JB to Mike. JB mentions meeting Mike in them. He is not talking rubbish here.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5398.msg235478.html#msg235478
Mike informed the forum in 2014.
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It was Mike who suggested to Jeremy that the latter regarded himself as an accomplice to murder, evoking in one of his more unguarded moments the remark "clever bastard" from this mass murderer, thereby admitting his involvement, however creatively his adherents care to dress it up..
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It was Mike who suggested to Jeremy that the latter regarded himself as an accomplice to murder, evoking in one of his more unguarded moments the remark "clever bastard" from this mass murderer, thereby admitting his involvement, however creatively his adherents care to dress it up..
It rather has a ring about it of "Look mate, I know you're guilty. You know that I know you're guilty. Let's see what we can do about damage limitation".
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It was Mike who suggested to Jeremy that the latter regarded himself as an accomplice to murder, evoking in one of his more unguarded moments the remark "clever bastard" from this mass murderer, thereby admitting his involvement, however creatively his adherents care to dress it up..
Jeremy Bambers obvious guilt, about having shown his sister how to load bullets into a gun, was in my view reflected in his response to me once saying to him, 'I think Sheila had an accomplice', and 'I think that accomplice was you'!!
His sharp response, 'You clever Bastard'!!!
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Prison talk isn't it from someone who once wouldn't have said boo to a goose ?
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Prison talk isn't it from someone who once wouldn't have said boo to a goose ?
Unless you had personal experience of that person during the time it was alleged they never "said boo to a goose" the statement can't be relied upon.
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Strange how Mike has been disbelieved lots of times, but as soon as something like this crops up he's suddenly believed ??
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Why would anyone DISbelieve that Jeremy called Mike "a clever bastard"? Kindred spirits for a time, weren't they?
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Strange how Mike has been disbelieved lots of times, but as soon as something like this crops up he's suddenly believed ??
Depending on who he wants to wind up, he knows they will take the bait.
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Strange how Mike has been disbelieved lots of times, but as soon as something like this crops up he's suddenly believed ??
And believed lots of times but as soon as something like this crops up he's disbelieved?
I believe that Bamber said it but not that Sheila was involved.
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And believed lots of times but as soon as something like this crops up he's disbelieved?
I believe that Bamber said it but not that Sheila was involved.
And I rather think that JB was " testing " Mike at the time and the statement that Mike made, was the test to see if what he'd said was repeated-----and it was, which could be responsible for the fall-out that they had ? As it can be seen as a lack of trust in any future correspondence/involvement.
When you're genuinely fighting for someone's freedom, you don't come out with something like that.
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And I rather think that JB was " testing " Mike at the time and the statement that Mike made, was the test to see if what he'd said was repeated-----and it was, which could be responsible for the fall-out that they had ? As it can be seen as a lack of trust in any future correspondence/involvement.
When you're genuinely fighting for someone's freedom, you don't come out with something like that.
Psychosis
In another psychotic episode I was remotely viewing the unfolding drama at whf at the height of the shootings , and Jeremy was at the farmhouse! I kept asking him, 'What are you doing here, your supposed to be at home in your cottage in bed', but he couldn't hear me, and did not respond to anything I said! I kept trying to tell him to go back to his cottage and get back in bed, because his dad was going to be phoning him very soon to tell him that his sister was going berserk with the gun!
All on deaf ears, he couldn't hear me!!
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So, David, whatever Mike said has been misconstrued ?
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So, David, whatever Mike said has been misconstrued ?
Not necessarily.
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And I rather think that JB was " testing " Mike at the time and the statement that Mike made, was the test to see if what he'd said was repeated-----and it was, which could be responsible for the fall-out that they had ? As it can be seen as a lack of trust in any future correspondence/involvement.
When you're genuinely fighting for someone's freedom, you don't come out with something like that.
You see, I don't get this 'testing' idea, if someone is willing to support a genuine MOJ, said person should be grateful for that support. Such people are NOT celebrities and they should not only be willing to be 100% truthful but be almost obsessive about it. Playing games reeks of guilt and Jeremy plays games.
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You see, I don't get this 'testing' idea, if someone is willing to support a genuine MOJ, said person should be grateful for that support. Such people are NOT celebrities and they should not only be willing to be 100% truthful but be almost obsessive about it. Playing games reeks of guilt and Jeremy plays games.
Nothing wrong in playing games, it stops the boredom from setting in, going over the same thing every day for the past however many years it was then.
Even some posters here have got on to Mike at times over his repetitive posts or those which don't fall in with the views of others.
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Nothing wrong in playing games, it stops the boredom from setting in, going over the same thing every day for the past however many years it was then.
Even some posters here have got on to Mike at times over his repetitive posts or those which don't fall in with the views of others.
Certainly a game the guilty would amuse themselves with.
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Certainly a game the guilty would amuse themselves with.
I doubt it.
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I doubt it.
Sure they would. Especially if their newest 'fan' was gullible and had some new and inventive thoughts on how to they might get released.
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Nothing wrong in playing games, it stops the boredom from setting in, going over the same thing every day for the past however many years it was then.
Even some posters here have got on to Mike at times over his repetitive posts or those which don't fall in with the views of others.
There really is Lookout when you're supposed to be fighting a genuine MOJ.
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There really is Lookout when you're supposed to be fighting a genuine MOJ.
He's been fighting for 34 years Caroline and has never let up. His side of the story has remained the same throughout. He wouldn't have so many behind him if he'd been guilty.
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I think that's partly why he's kept with Trudi Benjamin. He likes women who do the spade work whilst he sits back on his **** http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/tru
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He's been fighting for 34 years Caroline and has never let up. His side of the story has remained the same throughout. He wouldn't have so many behind him if he'd been guilty.
No the telephone call details and the rabbits shooting stories have varied to suit the audience.
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He's been fighting for 34 years Caroline and has never let up. His side of the story has remained the same throughout. He wouldn't have so many behind him if he'd been guilty.
It's not much of a story but it is full of holes.
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He's been fighting for 34 years Caroline and has never let up. His side of the story has remained the same throughout. He wouldn't have so many behind him if he'd been guilty.
Mmm. But it's hardly a definitive number, is it. The Brexit vote was closer than for's and against's on the Bamber case and look what a mess that is.
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No the telephone call details and the rabbits shooting stories have varied to suit the audience.
Rabbit shooting has always been the same. The time he called police changed by 10-15 minutes some 25 years later.
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No the telephone call details and the rabbits shooting stories have varied to suit the audience.
Yes, the call times have changed. A few years ago he claimed that West had altered the logs and changed the time of his phone call, now since there has been an attempt to suggest that Neville called the police, he backs West's log and time version.
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I think that's partly why he's kept with Trudi Benjamin. He likes women who do the spade work whilst he sits back on his **** http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/tru
How can he do anything Steve ? He's done the groundwork so to speak by going through countless documents/files and putting them in order for his team to prepare for another appeal.
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How can he do anything Steve ? He's done the groundwork so to speak by going through countless documents/files and putting them in order for his team to prepare for another appeal.
I'm beginning to think it might be better to restore the death penalty for child killers and killing of Police. Cases such as these attract the public appetite for crime cases and miscreants bask in concomitant notoriety whilst in reality ending up sad and lonely individuals self-tortured in tiny prison cells. What can Bamber do: nothing. What could Myra Hindley do except smoke herself to death, has Ian Huntley any future apart from saving his pills to effect a clandestine suicide? I could go on..
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I'm beginning to think it might be better to restore the death penalty for child killers and killing of Police. Cases such as these attract the public appetite for crime cases and miscreants bask in concomitant notoriety whilst in reality ending up sad and lonely individuals self-tortured in tiny prison cells. What can Bamber do: nothing. What could Myra Hindley do except smoke herself to death, has Ian Huntley any future apart from saving his pills to effect a clandestine suicide? I could go on..
Don't believe in the DP, although I suspect, some prisoners would prefer it. As for Bamber, I would welcome a retrial but it won't happen.
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I'm beginning to think it might be better to restore the death penalty for child killers and killing of Police. Cases such as these attract the public appetite for crime cases and miscreants bask in concomitant notoriety whilst in reality ending up sad and lonely individuals self-tortured in tiny prison cells. What can Bamber do: nothing. What could Myra Hindley do except smoke herself to death, has Ian Huntley any future apart from saving his pills to effect a clandestine suicide? I could go on..
I've always been in favour of the death penalty and although mistakes were made in the past, since its abolition I wouldn't like to begin to count the many murders that we now have on a daily basis.
Child killers. Terrorists. Police murderers. I'm sure if it was reinstated it would make a difference.
Truthfully speaking and sad as it may sound but if JB had had a lethal injection I think we may have still been discussing the case even if it was to give a posthumous pardon on his innocence.
Life goes on and I'm afraid that's my attitude no thanks to this lawless society that we have at present.