Jeremy Bamber Forum
OFF TOPIC => General => Topic started by: handyman on August 25, 2019, 10:03:AM
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Although I can understand the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein being murdered because of the powerful people he could name in his up coming court case, I'm interested in other aspects of the case.
What crime has Prince Andrew actually committed ? If all he has done is have consensual sex with girls not under 16 years of age.
As soon as I watched the video and saw Prince Andrew standing in the doorway, waving goodbye to the attractive Brunet woman, after Epstein is seen leaving his New York Mansion with the young blonde girl.
I immediately thought, who are the 2 women featured especially the possibly under age blonde girl.
Then the Epstein saga gets weirder by the day, the brunette woman waving to Prince Andrew has been identified as the daughter (Katherine) of ex Aussie Prime Minister Paul Keating.
So now I'm interested in the identity of the possibly under age blond girl.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=43
After some googling I find that Paul Keating left his wife more than 20 years ago and shacked up with soap opera actress Julieanne Newbould, .
Katherine Keating had only been in New York a couple of months.
When the 2 women walk past each other they look as though they're more than just recently met acquaintances. Is the blonde girl possibly Katherine Keating's step sister & Paul Keating's step daughter ?
Could Katherine Keating of had Ghislaine Maxwell's job, of recruiting girls for Epstein?
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It's his own fault that stories about him are rife. He,Prince Andrew, should have severed all ties with that monster once he got wind of his lifestyle. Why, when he actually knew what that man's game was, did he even bother going back for visits ?
When you know someone as dodgy as that subhuman was, you avoid them like the plague. Was Prince Andrew so thick not to have seen right through him and his sleazy way of life ?
Prince Andrew has brought all this on to himself, the arrogant so and so. Serves him right !!
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It's his own fault that stories about him are rife. He,Prince Andrew, should have severed all ties with that monster once he got wind of his lifestyle. Why, when he actually knew what that man's game was, did he even bother going back for visits ?
When you know someone as dodgy as that subhuman was, you avoid them like the plague. Was Prince Andrew so thick not to have seen right through him and his sleazy way of life ?
Prince Andrew has brought all this on to himself, the arrogant so and so. Serves him right !!
Totally agree Lookout!
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Although I can understand the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein being murdered because of the powerful people he could name in his up coming court case, I'm interested in other aspects of the case.
What crime has Prince Andrew actually committed ? If all he has done is have consensual sex with girls not under 16 years of age.
As soon as I watched the video and saw Prince Andrew standing in the doorway, waving goodbye to the attractive Brunet woman, after Epstein is seen leaving his New York Mansion with the young blonde girl.
I immediately thought, who are the 2 women featured especially the possibly under age blonde girl.
Then the Epstein saga gets weirder by the day, the brunette woman waving to Prince Andrew has been identified as the daughter (Katherine) of ex Aussie Prime Minister Paul Keating.
So now I'm interested in the identity of the possibly under age blond girl.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=43
After some googling I find that Paul Keating left his wife more than 20 years ago and shacked up with soap opera actress Julieanne Newbould, who had 2 daughters.
Here's a photo of Julieanne at a similar age as the young blond in the above video.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/prisonercellblockh/images/6/64/Hannah.s/revision/latest?cb=20171205204307)
In the video the young blonde is shivering, maybe just recently arrived to a New York winter from an Australian summer.
Katherine Keating had only been in New York a couple of months.
When the 2 women walk past each other they look as though they're more than just recently met acquaintances. Is the blonde girl possibly Katherine Keating's step sister & Paul Keating's step daughter ?
Could Katherine Keating of had Ghislaine Maxwell's job, of recruiting girls for Epstein.
I suppose it wouldn't look good to the Establishment if it was known he was cavorting with call girls. We now know the name of the girl in the lawsuit: Virginia Giuffre neé Roberts. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/02/prince-andrew-named-us-lawsuit-underage-sex-allegations
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Only just recently been reading about this Epstein guy.
Its been alleged that he secretly video taped his powerful friends having sex with underage girls in order to blackmail them. He was also involved in a 400 million dollar Ponzi fraud in the 1980s.
He was then the mastermind and inventor behind misrepresenting collateralized debts through complex financial engineering in order to dupe the credit ratings. This was a major contributing factor for the 2008 recession.
I must say its a pity he was Jewish, because he is every anti-semites wet dream: a real life multi-billionaire "Jew money-trader" that exploits everyone. And also a real life "Jew sex-deviant".
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The video has been doctored. After the brunet (Katherine Keating) first leaves the Epstein mansion talking to the Blonde girl, she (the brunet) is carrying a white bag with a white shoulder strap.
Yet when Prince Andrew is seen waving to Katherine Keating she is not carrying the white shoulder bag. The video has been edited to make it look as though Prince Andrew was present with the possibly under age blonde.
But this doesn't excuse the Prince for hanging out with a convicted pedo.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=66
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bill clinton and donald trump are also implicated.
his irlfriend is the daughter of robet maxwell.
he also had conection to tony bliar and peter mandelesion.
theugh they have yet to be acused of anything.
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The video has been doctored. After the brunet (Katherine Keating) first leaves the Epstein mansion talking to the Blonde girl, she (the brunet) is carrying a white bag with a white shoulder strap.
Yet when Prince Andrew is seen waving to Katherine Keating she is not carrying the white shoulder bag. The video has been edited to make it look as though Prince Andrew was present with the possibly under age blonde.
But this doesn't excuse the Prince for hanging out with a convicted pedo.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=66
she was 17 thats legal here but not in florida.
but for it to be a crime he has to know shes underage.
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she was 17 thats legal here but not in florida.
but for it to be a crime he has to know shes underage.
I was referring to the unnamed blonde girl in the above video.
Here's a link to Epstein's black book.
file:///C:/Users/OEM/Downloads/Jeffrey_Epstein39s_Little_Black_Book_unredacted%20(13).pdf
If the blonde girl is the daughter of Paul Keating's partner that would make her 18 years old. In this 2009 article Julieanne Newbould mentions, her then 17 year old daughter.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bold-new-life-for-keatings-girl/news-story/7e62d621775d924c320957871d50ba9e
"What have I been doing? I raised my two girls (Bella, 21, and Gigi, 17). They're great kids, fabulous kids.
"They've been my priority - they still are my priority,'' she said.
Ms Newbould said she was still a hands-on mother and would help guide Gigi though her HSC this year.
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I was referring to the unnamed blonde girl in the above video.
Here's a link to Epstein's black book.
file:///C:/Users/OEM/Downloads/Jeffrey_Epstein39s_Little_Black_Book_unredacted%20(13).pdf
If the blonde girl is the daughter of Paul Keating's partner that would make her 18 years old. In this 2009 article Julieanne Newbould mentions, her then 17 year old daughter.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bold-new-life-for-keatings-girl/news-story/7e62d621775d924c320957871d50ba9e
It's still all a bit dodgy, someone of his age being interested in barely legal young girls.
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It's still all a bit dodgy, someone of his age being interested in barely legal young girls.
its called a midlife crises.
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its called a midlife crises.
In is case, it's a bit more than that.
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Just for the record, it’s ludicrous to think he was murdered. He was in and out of the jail suicide watch unit.
The only plausible argument one could make is that he was deliberately allowed to kill himself.
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Just for the record, it’s ludicrous to think he was murdered. He was in and out of the jail suicide watch unit.
The only plausible argument one could make is that he was deliberately allowed to kill himself.
wernt very good it were they.
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But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.
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But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.
Being considered a peadophile?
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But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.
His motive was probably that he’d rather be dead than remain incarcerated.
The high flying lifestyle he was accustomed to compared to an American prison. Who could blame him?
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With all the dirt he had on a lot of powerful people, I think he would have been able to cope with the above.
I think he was taken out, all the stories about what actually happened in the prison are inconclusive.
Although if I were in his shoes I would be dreading meeting my accusers in Court.
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With all the dirt he had on a lot of powerful people, I think he would have been able to cope with the above.
I think he was taken out, all the stories about what actually happened in the prison are inconclusive.
Although if I were in his shoes I would be dreading meeting my accusers in Court.
All the dirt he had on other people was for blackmail purposes to advance his own business interests. In a court of law its rather useless to him, plus he cannot name anyone at his trial without implicating himself even further.
The guy killed himself.
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But what would be Epstein's motive to kill himself ?
Guilt, fear of a lifelong Prison sentence & being got at by other prisoners.
well it must be shock to go from a mansion and a private to a jail cell and thens the thought that he might possibly be spending the rest of his life there.
I agrea its a bit convenant but that on its own doesn't prove he was murdered.
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well it must be shock to go from a mansion and a private to a jail cell and thens the thought that he might possibly be spending the rest of his life there.
I agrea its a bit convenant but that on its own doesn't prove he was murdered.
Plus he was trying to kill himself anyway. Why murder him when they could just turn a blind eye to his suicidal behaviour. :-\
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Before his lucrative and shady career in finance. He was a math and science teacher.
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5d28cfc43b00004d00dac426.png?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)
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It would have to involve maths wouldn't it ?
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It would have to involve maths wouldn't it ?
No doubt, a very intelligent man.
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No doubt, a very intelligent man.
Meaning his dealings with finances, fraudulent or otherwise.
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Meaning his dealings with finances, fraudulent or otherwise.
What about them?
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What about them?
Well just after the arrest about sleazy lifestyle that he'd led, there were questions on how he made all his money, which is at present a mystery. The latest being that his finances are to remain secret but it doesn't stop many from theorising. Offshore accounts from his work as a pimp for starters. Blackmail under the cover of hedgefunding. Trump will remain quietly protective of him as will many others.
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Well just after the arrest about sleazy lifestyle that he'd led, there were questions on how he made all his money, which is at present a mystery. The latest being that his finances are to remain secret but it doesn't stop many from theorising. Offshore accounts from his work as a pimp for starters. Blackmail under the cover of hedgefunding. Trump will remain quietly protective of him as will many others.
He made the majority of his money running hudgefunds. It takes a lot of brains to be good at that.
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He made the majority of his money running hudgefunds. It takes a lot of brains to be good at that.
It's all very sleazy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49486590
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Only just recently been reading about this Epstein guy.
He was also involved in a 400 million dollar Ponzi fraud in the 1980s.
He was then the mastermind and inventor behind misrepresenting collateralized debts through complex financial engineering in order to dupe the credit ratings. This was a major contributing factor for the 2008 recession.
Got any links to the above ?
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Got any links to the above ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-worked-at-towers-financial-with-stephen-hoffenberg-who-committed-ponzi-scheme-crimes/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-worked-at-towers-financial-with-stephen-hoffenberg-who-committed-ponzi-scheme-crimes/)
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Many criminals are well above average intelligence to be one step ahead of the law. This is why very few end up in prison. You rarely see an intelligent person locked up. Drug barons are intelligent and although there may be one or two locked up you can bet your life they won't be living on the streets once released.
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Although I can understand the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein being murdered because of the powerful people he could name in his up coming court case, I'm interested in other aspects of the case.
What crime has Prince Andrew actually committed ? If all he has done is have consensual sex with girls not under 16 years of age.
As soon as I watched the video and saw Prince Andrew standing in the doorway, waving goodbye to the attractive Brunet woman, after Epstein is seen leaving his New York Mansion with the young blonde girl.
I immediately thought, who are the 2 women featured especially the possibly under age blonde girl.
Then the Epstein saga gets weirder by the day, the brunette woman waving to Prince Andrew has been identified as the daughter (Katherine) of ex Aussie Prime Minister Paul Keating.
So now I'm interested in the identity of the possibly under age blond girl.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=43
After some googling I find that Paul Keating left his wife more than 20 years ago and shacked up with soap opera actress Julieanne Newbould, who had 2 daughters.
In the video the young blonde is shivering, maybe just recently arrived to a New York winter from an Australian summer.
Katherine Keating had only been in New York a couple of months.
When the 2 women walk past each other they look as though they're more than just recently met acquaintances. Is the blonde girl possibly Katherine Keating's step sister & Paul Keating's step daughter ?
Could Katherine Keating of had Ghislaine Maxwell's job, of recruiting girls for Epstein.
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https://youtu.be/ahNRI8OMDHk
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The video has been doctored. After the brunet (Katherine Keating) first leaves the Epstein mansion talking to the Blonde girl, she (the brunet) is carrying a white bag with a white shoulder strap.
Yet when Prince Andrew is seen waving to Katherine Keating she is not carrying the white shoulder bag. The video has been edited to make it look as though Prince Andrew was present with the possibly under age blonde.
But this doesn't excuse the Prince for hanging out with a convicted pedo.
https://youtu.be/jhBMT72iAVw?t=66
It looks as though I was mistaken with the above comments. The brunet carrying the white bag with the white shoulder strap is a different woman to the brunet leaving at the end waving to Prince Andrew.
It looks as though the brunet with the white bag is Sarah Kellen one of Epstein's madams. The woman waving to Prince Andrew is Katherine Keating.
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https://youtu.be/oe73n5qIoNQ
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https://youtu.be/ul7Mbfqxr4Y
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https://youtu.be/VFNsKoXTGMI
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Here's the full version of Prince Andrew's recent Interview.
What's intersting is that his alibi could be easily corroborated, but he's chosen not to do so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtBS8COhhhM
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he should of kept his mouth shut his really dropped himself in it now
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he should of kept his mouth shut his really dropped himself in it now
Yes, but has he ? He's not actually commited a crime, so it means the Police don't have to check up on the story. The photo can't be proved as being fake or not.
No one's going to check the membership list of Tramp night club. He may well have dropped his 13 yr old daughter off at the Pizza Express, after which he may then have gone to London to meet up with Epstein & Maxwell.
More importantly who picked Beatrice up from Pizza Express ?
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Yes, but has he ? He's not actually commited a crime, so it means the Police don't have to check up on the story. The photo can't be proved as being fake or not.
No one's going to check the membership list of Tramp night club. He may well have dropped his 13 yr old daughter off at the Pizza Express, after which he may then have gone to London to meet up with Epstein & Maxwell.
More importantly who picked Beatrice up from Pizza Express ?
surely sombody at pizza express would rember serving them.
i mean its not an everyday that proplelike them walk in.
if hes daughter was goin to a party other peopl should be able to say weather he dropped her of or not.
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Yes, but has he ? He's not actually commited a crime, so it means the Police don't have to check up on the story. The photo can't be proved as being fake or not.
No one's going to check the membership list of Tramp night club. He may well have dropped his 13 yr old daughter off at the Pizza Express, after which he may then have gone to London to meet up with Epstein & Maxwell.
More importantly who picked Beatrice up from Pizza Express ?
the fbi would check the membership list of a trump nightclub.
if they were so inclined and i idont there trump fans.
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It's Tramp Night Club (in London) not Trump
The FBI are only going to be interested if he can give information about their investigations, into people implicit in Epstein's illegal activities.
As far as they are concerned Prince Andrew has not commited a crime. He has had concensual sex with a 17 year old girl in New York and the US Virgin Islands.
What is interesting is that Virginia Roberts has accused Prince Andrew of having (concensual) sex with her in London, New York & the US Virgin Islands.
This tells me that the infamous photo is legit. Because if their agenda is to nail Andrew, all she would have to say is he had sex with her at Epstein's home in Florida, where the age of consent is 18
People could well come forward and say their daughter or son was present at the party attended by Beatrice, and Andrew dropped Beatrice off.
But did he pick her up? Woking being only 25 miles from London.
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should be asy to tell if its a photoshop as he cliams.
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That was a pretty damning interview!
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he said he stayed for conveince now this a man who can stay in any hotel he wnts to he can also stay with the british ambassader so i find that hard to belive.
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he said he stayed for conveince now this a man who can stay in any hotel he wnts to he can also stay with the british ambassader so i find that hard to belive.
Me too, he also said he went to tell him that he wouldn't be able to mix with him anymore (even though he said they weren't 'good' friends) - but ended up stay for 4 days! He could have rang him, he could have sent an official letter or even made a public statement - but he went to his house - for 4 DAYS!
He stuttered and stammered all the way through the interview - it was embarrassing to watch. He won't come back from this!
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Me too, he also said he went to tell him that he wouldn't be able to mix with him anymore (even though he said they weren't 'good' friends) - but ended up stay for 4 days! He could have rang him, he could have sent an official letter or even made a public statement - but he went to his house - for 4 DAYS!
He stuttered and stammered all the way through the interview - it was embarrassing to watch. He won't come back from this!
Was he sweating 😂😂😂
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Was he sweating 😂😂😂
Apparently, he can sweat now ;D ;D ;D ;D
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cambell thinks its not a big deal aparently.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701439/Alastair-Campbell-Duke-York-s-TV-interview-mistake.html
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What a shyster ! Trying to hide behind his position. It doesn't work with me. Medical problem my eye !!
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cambell thinks its not a big deal aparently.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701439/Alastair-Campbell-Duke-York-s-TV-interview-mistake.html
Think he's missed the point, the girl in question states that she was 'trafficked' to sleep with Andrew - pretty big deal to me! She's appearing on a Panorama episode.
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Think he's missed the point, the girl in question states that she was 'trafficked' to sleep with Andrew - pretty big deal to me! She's appearing on a Panorama episode.
I think hes missing the point on purpose as he has a connection to Epstein as well
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Looks like randy Andy could be due some gaol time along with countless other celebrities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States#United_States_Virgin_Islands
§ 1702. Rape in the second degree
(a) Any person over 18 years of age who perpetrates under circumstances not amounting to rape in the first degree, an act of sexual intercourse or sodomy with a person not the perpetrator's spouse who is at least 16 years but less than 18 years of age, and the perpetrator is 5 years or older than the victim, is guilty of rape in the second degree and shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years.
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they will be geting the guiltine out soon i think.
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It has just been announced, by Buckingham Palace, that Prince Andrew is withdrawing from public life for the foreseeable future.
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It has just been announced, by Buckingham Palace, that Prince Andrew is withdrawing from public life for the foreseeable future.
He's also agree to be available for any investigation. Couldn't do much else really - bet mumsy had a hand in it. ;D ;D
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He's also agree to be available for any investigation. Couldn't do much else really - bet mumsy had a hand in it. ;D ;D
He's hardly the most industrious member of the RF. He'll probably use the time out to improve his golf ;D
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I think we should reserve judgement until more facts emerge. There's hardly a smoking gun at the moment.
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I think we should reserve judgement until more facts emerge. There's hardly a smoking gun at the moment.
i think theres zero chane o that happening.
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i think theres zero chane o that happening.
I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.
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I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.
if he doesnt coprate everyone is going think the worst he has to.
to be honest im more intrested in what clinton and trump were doing with epstein.
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I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.
Im quite certain Florida could ask him too? Jim Clemente ex FBI mentions this in his podcast even though it happened in England. Also, What if the “victim” lied about his or her age?
Unfortunately, even if the younger party misled the older party about their age, the older party can still be charged with statutory rape. In Florida, an accused cannot claim ignorance of the alleged victim’s age as a defense against statutory rape.
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Im quite certain Florida could ask him too? Jim Clemente ex FBI mentions this in his podcast even though it happened in England. Also, What if the “victim” lied about his or her age?
Unfortunately, even if the younger party misled the older party about their age, the older party can still be charged with statutory rape. In Florida, an accused cannot claim ignorance of the alleged victim’s age as a defense against statutory rape.
Maybe NGB could clarify this position, Jim Clemente was adamant that Andrew could be tried in Florida even though it wasn’t a criminal offence in the UK?
Just found this though, this link clearly says they can’t, unless it’s an offence in both countries?
https://uk.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/the-u-s-uk-extradition-treaty/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-us-uk-extradition-relationship/#collapse4
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Does anyone else think that photograph of Andrew and Virginia looks as if it might be doctored?
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Does anyone else think that photograph of Andrew and Virginia looks as if it might be doctored?
Miss Roberts’ lawyers have insisted the photograph is real and its authenticity never questioned by the FBI, Steve? Apparently the only way it can be proved is from the original copy, She is said to have given the original, along with 19 other images, to FBI investigators in 2011.
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Does anyone else think that photograph of Andrew and Virginia looks as if it might be doctored?
Theres a couple of really good podcasts out at the moment, one called “EPSTEIN DEVIL IN THE DARKNESS and one called BROKEN
Real crime profile, podcast, with Jim Clemente exFBI and Laura Richards Scotland Yard, both criminal profilers cover the story from episode 207 to 218. They discuss Prince Andrew.
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Yesterday, The Sun revealed claims that Andrew flew on a private jet with Epstein and his alleged 17-year-old sex slave Virginia Roberts, according to the pilot.
The allegation, made in court papers, is the first to place Andrew and Roberts on Epstein’s plane together.
In court testimony David Rodgers, 66, said one trip saw Epstein, Andrew and the then 17-year-old Virginia heading to the US Virgin Islands.
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Yesterday, The Sun revealed claims that Andrew flew on a private jet with Epstein and his alleged 17-year-old sex slave Virginia Roberts, according to the pilot.
The allegation, made in court papers, is the first to place Andrew and Roberts on Epstein’s plane together.
In court testimony David Rodgers, 66, said one trip saw Epstein, Andrew and the then 17-year-old Virginia heading to the US Virgin Islands.
Not a very aptly-named place. I think Andrew's association with Epstein arose out of the need for him to bankroll his ex- wife out of his $500 million fortune. Things may have got out of hand after that. As far as the photographs are concerned I do think the two individuals look posed, the hand around the body doesn't look natural, as if the two have been joined together, but if the FBI has declared them genuine who am I to gainsay? The next question is whether Andrew will ever appear before an American judge.
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Not a very aptly-named place. I think Andrew's association with Epstein arose out of the need for him to bankroll his ex- wife out of his $500 million fortune. Things may have got out of hand after that. As far as the photographs are concerned I do think the two individuals look posed, the hand around the body doesn't look natural, as if the two have been joined together, but if the FBI has declared them genuine who am I to gainsay? The next question is whether Andrew will ever appear before an American judge.
Yes, bit conflicting maybe NGB could shed some light on the legal side of this?
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Not a very aptly-named place. I think Andrew's association with Epstein arose out of the need for him to bankroll his ex- wife out of his $500 million fortune. Things may have got out of hand after that. As far as the photographs are concerned I do think the two individuals look posed, the hand around the body doesn't look natural, as if the two have been joined together, but if the FBI has declared them genuine who am I to gainsay? The next question is whether Andrew will ever appear before an American judge.
I am supposing that if indeed this is a genuine case then Andrew can/will be extradited to the USA.
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I don't know whether UK citizens can be subpoenaed to appear in US courts but you can bet your bottom dollar the Establishment in this country will be straining every sinew to ensure this doesn't happen. Hence the UK interview. The companies and university breaking connections with him is the easy part.
If he refused to go, it would create even more suspicion.
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If he refused to go, it would create even more suspicion.
I think they would get round it by this extradition relationship Caroline,
I think because she was 17years old? It wouldn’t be an offence in the UK even though Florida’s age limit is 18 years old, I think it has to be an offence in both Countries under the extradition Law.
This is what it says
They can’t. This is a “dual criminality” treaty. No one can be extradited by either country unless the offense is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least one year.
But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
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I very much doubt that Prince Andrew will be heading to a US courtroom. He had evidently been advised by the Establishment to participate in the Newsnight interview and for the Establishment that will be that.
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I think they would get round it by this extradition relationship Caroline,
I think because she was 17years old? It wouldn’t be an offence in the UK even though Florida’s age limit is 18 years old, I think it has to be an offence in both Countries under the extradition Law.
This is what it says
They can’t. This is a “dual criminality” treaty. No one can be extradited by either country unless the offense is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least one year.
But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
He has already said he will help in any investigation including the FBI. There is definitely more to this story and I don't believe any of his excuses. He shouldn't be above the law. Technically, she wasn't under age but he should have asked questions about where she came from knowing what a sleaze Epstein was. The best thing he can do is come clean.
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He has already said he will help in any investigation including the FBI. There is definitely more to this story and I don't believe any of his excuses. He shouldn't be above the law. Technically, she wasn't under age but he should have asked questions about where she came from knowing what a sleaze Epstein was. The best thing he can do is come clean.
Have to agree 100% guilty, he knew all along what Epstein was up to, he will be hoping it goes away, but hopefully it doesn’t till he does tell some truth.
Found this interesting
Prince Andrew sent an email to Jeffrey Epstein's alleged madam Ghislaine Maxwell at 5.50am to let her know he had 'specific questions' about Virginia Roberts in 2015.
In the email the Prince tells Ghislaine Maxwell: 'Let me know when we can talk. Got some specific questions to ask you about Virginia Roberts.'
Ghislaine replies: 'Have some info. Call me when you have a moment.'
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I think because she was 17years old? It wouldn’t be an offence in the UK even though Florida’s age limit is 18 years old, I think it has to be an offence in both Countries under the extradition Law.
This is what it says
They can’t. This is a “dual criminality” treaty. No one can be extradited by either country unless the offense is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least one year.
But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
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So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.
I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo
The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
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But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.
I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
I don’t think he will go over, if he does then he can be subpoenas, Lawyers have drafted one to make him give evidence in court if he ever steps foot in US again? Looking at it again, If anything the FBI will come over then listen to Andrews Orchestrated lies.
The Pratt as you call him should come clean and tell the truth and not hide behind his lies, it would have been hard for this traumatised young girl to get everything spot on, she was trafficked from a young age and brainwashed by sex offenders, she’s up against some of the worlds most powerful people with the best Lawyers
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But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.
I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo
The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
If he did know her intimately, would he refer to her as ‘Virginia’? Or if they were strangers, might he not refer to her as ‘Miss Roberts’?
The email from Andrews computer in 2015 shows he refers to her as Virginia
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But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.
I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo
The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
If he did know her intimately, would he refer to her as ‘Virginia’? Or if they were strangers, might he not refer to her as ‘Miss Roberts’?
the email from Andrews computer in 2015 shows he referred to her as Virginia.
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But Having said that, the FBI could ask him over to answer questions I think?
So he (Andrew) still hasn't commited a crime in the eyes of the (British) law.
If the FBI ask him over he could plead some sort of Fifth Amendment.
I've just watched the Virginia Giuffre interview, & my missus reckons she is fibbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=PSBQoib-WVU&feature=emb_logo
The pratt should have just kept his mouth shut.
Having sex with a trafficked female is probably against the law - even here. Virginia Giuffre sounded truthful to me, whereas he certainly didn't.
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trump has never met him apparently.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fa.msn.com%2F01%2Fen-gb%2FBBXH8KI%3Focid%3Dsf%26fbclid%3DIwAR3u7dxpUIh3atc5XnwHUF4QJp5Y3TO9e0VA8oR2tlWcuAk9soFJISg3enA&h=AT1cmDyJGPQRAEt6oyojBinVHKLZc-QtL4yYadG8w77B_yBUKiSjLy9SFEDNmiLK8txmKVs49F4FlPqLwHhstLzjRyFJvHYkTloNcy9XmldC-bD5OnsZXA60UwJ9oDCo8WaR6ds8KKkLLugok6M2MBh3C9FcDDfTNg
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trump has never met him apparently.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fa.msn.com%2F01%2Fen-gb%2FBBXH8KI%3Focid%3Dsf%26fbclid%3DIwAR3u7dxpUIh3atc5XnwHUF4QJp5Y3TO9e0VA8oR2tlWcuAk9soFJISg3enA&h=AT1cmDyJGPQRAEt6oyojBinVHKLZc-QtL4yYadG8w77B_yBUKiSjLy9SFEDNmiLK8txmKVs49F4FlPqLwHhstLzjRyFJvHYkTloNcy9XmldC-bD5OnsZXA60UwJ9oDCo8WaR6ds8KKkLLugok6M2MBh3C9FcDDfTNg
Does he say he never met him or I don’t know him?
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"At some point he's going to have to face the music.." https://youtu.be/VQOOxOl9l80
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The Rabbit hole gets deeper.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG3QjeGWsAAF-V_.jpg)
"An investigation found that Jeffrey Epstein's history at 9 East 71st Street is entangled with the adjacent property, 11 East 71st Street, now home to billionaire Howard Lutnick."
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1183806258857598977.html
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strange what happend to the cctv
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https://t.co/18TGajDwho?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR1Ro3XAEeaRgVyU9BLm3I5vI5SoY9FXU-a0ox3uekt75WZP8O1VVKxw0xk
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It's possible law enforcement agencies could be circling. Katherine Keating has recently placed her Social Media accounts on lock down.
https://twitter.com/kjjkeating
https://twitter.com/awakeinaus/status/1218839709381586944
Looks as though the young blonde girl is actually a long time confidante of Epstein's. The young blond girl is aged at least well into her 20s
At some point in the afternoon Epstein came out of the house in his white winter jacket. His confidante, Miss Hamblin, also came out and spoke to the driver of a waiting Bentley and appeared to ask him for something.
She returned to the front door, rang the bell and, as it opened, Sarah Kellen, a long-time Epstein associate who has been accused of recruiting young girls for him, left with a smile to Miss Hamblin.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/22/21/21356064-7716275-11_42am_Susan_Hamblin_a_long_term_confidante_seen_leaving-m-37_1574459566281.jpg)
11.42am: Susan Hamblin, a long-term confidante, seen leaving
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716275/Prince-Andrew-Jeffrey-Epstein-crucial-new-witnesses.html#i-ad142efd8aad8bec
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https://youtu.be/z_aNc6bywMY
clinton and maxwell
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https://youtu.be/bjV5G-EQxZ0
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https://youtu.be/bjV5G-EQxZ0
Just wow
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a lot of peoplewith a lot to hide.
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a lot of peoplewith a lot to hide.
Yes I think Ghislaine Maxwell especially has a lot to hide, though she must be facing a predicament in protecting the Establishment, given how nastily it treated her late father. I suppose she realizes that if the truth emerged she herself would be liable for a lengthy prison sentence and would thereafter lose her home and right of abode in the USA. https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/ghislaine-maxwell-persuaded-prince-andrew-to-snub-fbis-epstein-probe/
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Surely Katherine Keating has to be intervewed by the FBI. She would have some knowledge on Ghislaine Maxwell.
https://twitter.com/awakeinaus/status/1193486110007201794
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In that twitter link, the "two" photographs shown at the beginning of the video, are the same photograph, just cropped differently.
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I don't know what you are trying to say. All I see is a few seconds of video, Epstein putting his arm around Katherine Keating.
She popped back to Oz on the weekend. She's still conspicuous by her silence.
https://www.smh.com.au/culture/celebrity/peripatetic-keating-pops-up-at-palm-beach-20200312-p549gx.html
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I meant to refer to the reply just below the video, as shown here (https://twitter.com/awakeinaus/status/1193486110007201794) which supposedly identified the woman as Katherine Keating by implying that the woman's bag, shown 10 seconds into the video, matched the bag shown in two photos of Katherine Keating. However, there was one photo (repeated), and the bag in the video isn't shown clearly enough to match it to the bag carried by Katherine Keating.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1193486110007201794
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJAdTDUWkAAlP15?format=jpg&name=small
It looks like the same bag to me, I'm convinced it's her.
Plus her Father was a US puppet.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1975SYDNEY02354_b.html
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This thread has moved on and I seem to have lost track. Could someone explain the relevance of Katherine Keating and the import of the bag?
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This thread has moved on and I seem to have lost track. Could someone explain the relevance of Katherine Keating and the import of the bag?
She was seen leaving Epstein's Manhatan house, when Prince Andrew was staying there he was seen waving goodbye to her.
She (K Keating) was carrying a designer shoulder strap bag, the same bag when later on Epstein appeared to give her a hug .
Katherine Keating is Paul Keating's daughter the ex Aussie PM. He's a Republican anti the Royal Family.
She should at least be questioned by the FBI. Her social media accounts are in lock down & she refuses to comment.
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not suprised. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiGufnHutToAhW3QhUIHWbICCEQ0PADMAF6BAgJEAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk-news%2F2020%2Fapr%2F04%2Fprince-andrew-reportedly-not-interviewed-jeffrey-epstein-documentary&usg=AOvVaw2bwxLEne0EkiAqmoiZHoIS
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a bit from shaun https://youtu.be/LA__t2fL8PI
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a bit from shaun https://youtu.be/LA__t2fL8PI
I'm not sure what he achieved with the video, apart from putting a cleaner on the spot. Did he expect Ghislaine Maxwell to peer out from the threshold in curlers like Hilda Ogden: I mean this is 44 Kinnerton Street, London SW1, not Coronation Street.
As for her father Robert, conspiracy theories still abound, though I think the truth is a little more prosaic. http://betnod.com/threads/the-robert-maxwell-story-always-the-outsider.544/
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i never knew she had a ted talk i will hae to go and find that.
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a bit more.
https://youtu.be/2331YKp8uic
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An ex Florida Cop who fled to Russia fearing for his life, after he up loaded to his computor 700+ videos seized from Epstein's mansion , has randomly released a couple of them.
Identifying a powerfull media mogul with a possible under age girl.
https://www.politicalite.com/exclusive/world-exclusive-jeffrey-epstein-ex-cop-john-mark-dougan-says-he-believes-man-in-epstein-tape-is-steve-burke/
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oh thats intresting ight it explin why this was not coverd much in the media to start with.
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It's getting even more interesting, some of the videos up loaded to porn sites years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD940UC-4u0&feature=emb_logo
https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1262465412408713219
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https://t.co/hp6kwpmnQK?amp=1
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According to Sammy Gravano, who has knowledge of the cells' structure and procedures, Epstein probably committed suicide. Just an opinion though.
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According to Sammy Gravano, who has knowledge of the cells' structure and procedures, Epstein probably committed suicide. Just an opinion though.
thing is when somone ison suicid watch yu have t ask why nobody was watching them
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/business/jeffrey-epstein-charity.html
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/business/jeffrey-epstein-business-wall-street.html
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clinton https://youtu.be/aq5sXcf30c4
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-demands-uk-hands-prince-andrew-over-for-questioning-in-epstein-case/ar-BB15bRML?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
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should be fun
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/prince-andrew-falsely-portraying-himself-as-eager-to-cooperate-in-epstein-investigation-us-lawyer-say/ar-BB15dhHU?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
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https://youtu.be/899laVjvD9c
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https://youtu.be/I3yYy8VfZjY
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Is the net closing in..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-associate-charged-by-fbi/ar-BB16fANi?ocid=msedgdhp
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well her father died msytiosly so did her boyfriend possle sombody might go for a hatrick
mind i dont they would be likely to get away with that tomany qustions
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She'll be on "suicide" watch.
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She'll be on "suicide" watch.
I don't think it's part of her persona to do away with herself. Her father committed suicide when the money ran out, but there seemed to be plenty salted away for his offspring. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/04/high-society-to-hideaway-arrest-ghislaine-maxwells-dramatic-fall
I may be wrong: https://youtu.be/aw48VryHBNU
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https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/05/judge-orders-destruction-of-epstein-evidence/
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https://youtu.be/vIvIF-YC0pg
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Ghislaine wants bail: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-asks-for-bail-secured-with-3m-homes-in-uk-as-lawyers-claim-she-faces-covid-19-threat-in-prison/ar-BB16AE8D?ocid=msedgntp
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cant blame her considring what happend to her boyfriend
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She's pleading not guilty. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-pleads-not-guilty-to-procuring-girls-for-jeffrey-epstein/ar-BB16JauS?ocid=msedgntp
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probely holding for a plea deal
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probely holding for a plea deal
Imagine her getting transported to trial? It would be like that famous end scene in Guantlet ('77), where the bus is driven through a hail of bullets.
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https://youtu.be/O7QeXPkT4ww
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These he said-she said cases are a minefield to navigate: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/underage-girl-forced-to-have-sex-with-prince-andrew-us-court-document-claims/ar-BB17q8pw?ocid=msedgdhp
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I thought a stay of execution was for Death Row inmates, but her crimes may be almost as bad..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-granted-stay-of-execution-by-us-court-delaying-release-of-incriminating-court-papers/ar-BB17sj0M?ocid=msedgntp
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I thought a stay of execution was for Death Row inmates, but her crimes may be almost as bad..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-granted-stay-of-execution-by-us-court-delaying-release-of-incriminating-court-papers/ar-BB17sj0M?ocid=msedgntp
She was the instigator in ruining the lives of teenagers. Abhorrent ! Let her face what's coming to her.
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She was the instigator in ruining the lives of teenagers. Abhorrent ! Let her face what's coming to her.
I wonder does any woman here feel that Maxwell is being targeted to take some of the heat off Prince Andrew?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8614925/Ghislaine-Maxwell-moans-conditions-hell-hole-Brooklyn-jail.html
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Does Ghislaine have something to hide..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-lawyers-attempt-to-keep-deposition-details-secret/ar-BB19YRam?ocid=msedgntp
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I think she's fearfull of the release of other high profile names mentioned by Virginia Giuffre. Once the names are out there she'll lose some of her blackmail leverage.
Anyone who boarded the Lollita Express to the Island must have known what was going on.
They're all going to start ratting on each other to avoid being prosecuted.
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I think she's fearfull of the release of other high profile names mentioned by Virginia Giuffre. Once the names are out there she'll lose some of her blackmail leverage.
Anyone who boarded the Lollita Express to the Island must have known what was going on.
They're all going to start ratting on each other to avoid being prosecuted.
I think it's quite plain that Ghislaine is set to receive a custodial sentence. I'm sure many are wondering about the convenient suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. What I'm still unclear of is whether the arm of the law will ever reach Prince Andrew. https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/10/22/maxwell-alleges-andrew-accuser-wove-a-a-tissue-of-liesa/
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Unless it can be proved that the sexual activity was none consensual, what is the crime ?
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Does Ghislaine have something to hide..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/ghislaine-maxwell-lawyers-attempt-to-keep-deposition-details-secret/ar-BB19YRam?ocid=msedgntp
The entire Ghislaine Maxwell deposition 465 page deposition is here. But so heavily redacted, as to almost being pointless.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7274479-Maxwell-Deposition-2016.html
Page 231 Maxwell tries to deny the authenticity of the now famous photo of Prince Andrew, herself and Virginia at her Belgravia home.
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Unless it can be proved that the sexual activity was none consensual, what is the crime ?
The allegation that she was trafficked and Prince Andrew was more or less procuring a prostitute would be the crime I suppose, if Virginia Roberts Giuffre doesn't allege he forced himself on her. He would be hounded in the court of public opinion and ostracized from any meaningful role in the Royal Family. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/royal-family/prince-andrew-asked-ghislaine-maxwell-about-accuser-documents-suggest/ar-BB1akaQJ?ocid=msedgntp
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Someone's used a code in the Index to crack the blacked out redacted names, in the recently released defamation deposition.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/ghislaine-maxwell-deposition-redactions-epstein-how-to-crack.html
Here are some of the other names we cracked:
• Juan Alessi (pages 71, 73, 218 of deposition)
• Doug Band (page 137)
• Philip Barden (pages 202, 204, 274-275, 346-348, 361, 391, 405)
• Gwendolyn Beck (page 326)
• Rebecca Boylan (page 352)
• Jean Luc Brunel (pages 99, 116, 166, 167, 379, 380)
• Chelsea Clinton (page 377)
• Eva Dubin (pages 57-58, 339)
• Glenn Dubin (pages 57-58, 61, 237, 303-304, 339)
• Al Gore (pages 230-231)
• Ross Gow (pages 201-204, 210, 273, 348-349, 353, 361, 391, 405)
• Sarah Kellen (pages 47-49, 56-57, 255, 328-329, 378, 395, 396, 411, 412)
• Shelley Lewis (pages 124, 363-367)
• Nadia Marcinko, also known as Nadia Marcinkova (pages 40-47, 87, 255, 396)
• Marvin Minsky (page 145)
• Tom Pritzker (page 124)
• Arnold Prosperi (page 141)
• David Rodgers (pages 129, 410)
• Alfredo Rodriguez (pages 317, 328, 329, 330, 331, 334, 335)
• Kevin Spacey (page 266)
• Emmy Tayler (63-65, 67, 120-121, 126-127, 142)
• Chris Tucker (page 266)
• Leslie Wexner (pages 117, 314, 379, 380, 381, 403, 404)
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7274479-Maxwell-Deposition-2016.html
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She's in it up to her neck..https://youtu.be/l-c8-CQtPg4
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he had an intruder luckly the police turned up in time to save her.
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the plot thickens https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrIQZO8FJxgu7UApQB3Bwx.;_ylu=Y29sbwMEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj/RV=2/RE=1620870461/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fuk.news.yahoo.com%2fmelinda-gates-reportedly-sought-divorce-145945448.html/RK=2/RS=pZLlbUK.SjwiYGYyBVWwwF5OIII-
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the plot thickens https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrIQZO8FJxgu7UApQB3Bwx.;_ylu=Y29sbwMEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj/RV=2/RE=1620870461/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fuk.news.yahoo.com%2fmelinda-gates-reportedly-sought-divorce-145945448.html/RK=2/RS=pZLlbUK.SjwiYGYyBVWwwF5OIII-
Yes I read this last week, seems coincidental to me?
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a few to many cioncedences for me.
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Yes I read this last week, seems coincidental to me?
is this cioncedental as well http://techrights.org/2019/12/17/gates-secrets-gatekeeper/
meeting epstein is by no means the only evdence agianst gates.
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covers it here as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4lqt_JLrGU
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"No-one is above the law.." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/met-commissioner-says-no-one-is-above-the-law-when-asked-about-prince-andrew-allegations/ar-AANekl4?ocid=msedgntp
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this may sound strange but i am starting to think andrew is being made a scapegoat for others why havent gates and clinton faced more qustions.
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this may sound strange but i am starting to think andrew is being made a scapegoat for others why havent gates and clinton faced more qustions.
Not if he's guilty. It will be interesting to see how the Establishment reacts. Any potential further victim can pursue their case at a later date. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58190212
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the acusations aginst andrew are probely the least serious of the acustions i mean epstein pimped youner girls then virgina this is probely why he is geting more attention.
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the acusations aginst andrew are probely the least serious of the acustions i mean epstein pimped youner girls then virgina this is probely why he is geting more attention.
Maybe Andrew is being used as a canary, though it's still pretty serious in besmirching the image of the Royal Family. https://youtu.be/aqftSK2z0ek
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i suspect there are people with a lot more to hide than andrew clinton and gates certanly
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It looks like the net is slowly closing in..https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/prince-andrew-suffers-setback-in-sex-assault-case-as-judge-refuses-to-unseal-document/ar-AAOwqQd?ocid=msedgntp
I wonder if he's mentioned in his dad's will..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58587147
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peirs morgon is also involved i am not sure in what capcity though.
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https://t.co/7fsUwaPOFq?amp=1
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bill gates is guilty as hell http://techrights.org/2019/12/17/gates-secrets-gatekeeper/
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https://youtu.be/yB4INwsfWSo
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https://youtu.be/yB4INwsfWSo
She could surely settle this matter if she confirmed Prince Andrew had met Virginia Giuffre.
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She could surely settle this matter if she confirmed Prince Andrew had met Virginia Giuffre.
it doesnt really need confirming theres a picture of him standing next to her.
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it doesnt really need confirming theres a pictureo him standing net her.
I know but he denied ever having met her in the Newsnight interview with Emily Maitlis.
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it doesnt really need confirming theres a picture of him standing next to her.
There is a trick known as superimposing nugs---what do you think ( doctored pics ) ?
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no cameras allowed at the trial funny that isnt it.
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https://youtu.be/tMy-VUzVQnY
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no cameras allowed at the trial funny that isnt it.
Nearly as bad as the " remote " hearings in courts because of covid----something else I don't agree with. How can it be fair one way or the other with just a judge and no jury ?
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this may sound strange but i am starting to think andrew is being made a scapegoat for others why havent gates and clinton faced more qustions.
I think it’s a very strange case apparently this women’s father got her a job training to be a masseuse and then she travelled around the world with Epstein ?? At seventeen?? What was her father thinking now he has been selling his story everywhere. This women stayed with Epstein for 2 years I think? Doesn’t that make her a hooker and what’s the difference between sex trafficking and prostitution
Going by Andrew’s interview he is not the brightest spark so Epstein probably engineered this Virginia sleeping with Andrew so he had something over him
This is all about money and Andrew has got no one to blame but himself for the trouble he got himself in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUG90r2fgWI
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I think it’s a very strange case apparently this women’s father got her a job training to be a masseuse and then she travelled around the world with Epstein ?? At seventeen?? What was her father thinking now he has been selling his story everywhere. This women stayed with Epstein for 2 years I think? Doesn’t that make her a hooker and what’s the difference between sex trafficking and prostitution
Going by Andrew’s interview he is not the brightest spark so Epstein probably engineered this Virginia sleeping with Andrew so he had something over him
i think andrew is being made a scapegoat to take the heat of the 2 billys
This is all about money and Andrew has got no one to blame but himself for the trouble he got himself in
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It’s always about the money
The Trial
The first of four alleged victims due to testify against the 59-year-old says "memory is not linear" after being asked about apparent discrepancies in her accounts.
A woman who said Ghislaine Maxwell set her up for sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein from the age of 14 has told a court she does not believe she has "come up with a memory".
Known by the pseudonym Jane, she was giving evidence for the second day in Maxwell's sex trafficking trial in New York.
She is the first of four women due to testify that the British socialite "groomed" them for sexual abuse by Epstein when they were teenagers.
Jane had previously said she had sexual encounters with Epstein at his Palm Beach home once every fortnight when she was 14, 15 and 16.
* Jurors are told Maxwell and Epstein were "partners in crime" and "she served up young girls" for him to abuse
* Prince Andrew named among high-profile men to travel on Epstein's private jet
* Charges involve four alleged underage victims and multiple locations between 1994 and 2004
* First accuser in trial of Ghislaine Maxwell says she had repeated sexual contact with Epstein when she was 14 years old and that Maxwell was there when it happened
* Defence claims Maxwell has been used as a "scapegoat" for Epstein's crimes and question alleged victim over discrepancies in her accounts of the abuse
Other people occasionally participated, including Maxwell, who touched her breasts, Jane told jurors.
She told the court on Tuesday she had been summoned to an orgy by Maxwell and Epstein at the age of 14, which had left her "frozen with fear".
During cross-examination on Wednesday, defence counsel Laura Menninger questioned Jane about apparent discrepancies between her descriptions in court of Maxwell's role and earlier conversations with prosecutors before Maxwell's July 2020 arrest.
"It is true that you do not recall Ghislaine ever touching you," Ms Menninger asked.
"That's not true," Jane replied.
'I don't recall'
On Tuesday, Jane had said she did not tell anybody about any abuse because she was "terrified" and "felt gross and ashamed".
Ms Menninger said: "You spoke to the government in December 2019 with your lawyers there and you told them at that time that you were not sure whether Maxwell ever touched you during these encounters."
"I don't recall," Jane replied.
"You told the government you were not sure if Ghislaine ever kissed you."
"I don't recall."
"You told the government you had no memory of Ghislaine being present when you claim Epstein engaged in any sexual contact, correct?"
"I don't recall."
"As you sit here today, you are not sure you were ever alone in a room with Ghislaine and Epstein, correct?"
"No."
Asked if she had come up with a memory of Maxwell's involvement in the sexual encounters, Jane said: "I don't believe I have come up with a memory, no."
EYEWITNESS: BY JOE PIKE, IN NEW YORK
Ghislaine Maxwell is sitting in court taking notes as her defence attempt to chip away at the credibility of 'Jane', the first alleged victim in this trial.
The witness repeatedly replied: "I don’t recall" as Ms Maxwell’s lawyers asked about apparent inconsistencies between her evidence to the FBI in 2019 and 2020, and her testimony in court yesterday.
Jane’ also suggested there were errors in official government records of her interviews. "The wording that is typed up on this is incorrect," she said.
"Another typo by the government?" Ms Maxwell’s lawyer responded.
The defence team is arguing that 'Jane' told the trial she first met Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell together, yet told the FBI she met Epstein first and Maxwell walked past them with her dog.
They say she claimed in court it was Maxwell who phoned her up to arrange meetings, but told the FBI it was Mr Epstein or his office staff who called.
And they have also questioned 'Jane' about why she told court Maxwell was in the room during sexual abuse by Epstein, but said to the FBI she couldn't remember if the defendant was present.
Ghislaine Maxwell's older brother Kevin is watching proceedings in court for the first time. He has experience of trials after being acquitted of fraud in the UK in 1996 after the death of his father, Robert.
Before day three of the trial, Maxwell entered the courtroom and nodded at her sister, Isabel, and brother, Kevin, sitting in the front row of the public gallery.
She is charged with eight counts of sex trafficking and other crimes that will be tried separately, including two perjury charges, all of which she denies.
The 59-year-old daughter of late British media magnate Robert Maxwell faces up to 80 years in prison if convicted.
Victims' memories 'manipulated over time'
Maxwell has pleaded not guilty and her lawyers have said prosecutors are making her a scapegoat for Epstein's alleged crimes because he is dead.
The financier killed himself, aged 66, in 2019 in a Manhattan jail cell while awaiting trial on sexual abuse charges.
Maxwell's lawyers have argued the four alleged victims' memories have been manipulated over time.
They say the accusers never mentioned Maxwell's role in their abuse until after Epstein died and that a compensation fund was set up for his victims, giving the women a financial incentive to cooperate with prosecutors.
Jane, now in her early 40s, said she now remembered certain events that she did not previously recall.
She told the court on Tuesday that Maxwell sometimes called her house while she was a teenager to invite her to visit Epstein.
Ms Menninger noted that in a 2019 interview with the government, Jane said she could not remember whether Maxwell ever called her, referring to a sealed transcript of the conversation.
"So two years later, now you remember that Ghislaine would call your home?" Ms Menninger asked on Wednesday.
"Memory is not linear," Jane replied. No no no
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this is going to a big nothing burger i think i dont think the full fats will e allowed to ome out in court.
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twiter supends aount overing the trial https://youtu.be/SGZt49RW62s
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here look https://off-guardian.org/2021/12/17/maxwell-case-surveilled-and-silenced/
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https://patriotone.substack.com/p/jes-staley-epsteins-portal-to-wall
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https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/12/investigative-reports/meet-ghislaine-daddys-girl/
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chardges dropped agianst the gaurds https://t.co/teHMXeEreh
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theres a womon trying to link ghisline to the mcann abduction https://youtu.be/D7Bd130HWaY
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https://youtu.be/wMokHbceT0A
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A must read
Prince Andrew is a pompous, entitled oaf - but his accuser Virginia Roberts has questions to answer too, writes SARAH VINE
Normally when a jury returns a verdict, that's the end of it. But not in the Ghislaine Maxwell case. If anything, when it comes to this extraordinary tale of power and perversion, the plot appears to be thickening.
The latest revelations come from a key witness in the recent trial, Carolyn Andriano, whose testimony helped secure four of the five guilty verdicts against Maxwell.
This weekend she gave an exclusive interview to The Mail on Sunday's sister paper, the Daily Mail, in which she threw light on Virginia Giuffre's allegations of battery and sexual assault against Prince Andrew.
She claims that not only did Giuffre text her excitedly from London in March 2001 to say she was having dinner with the Prince, she also claims that when she got back to Florida she showed Andriano that snap of her with him and gushed: 'I got to sleep with him.'
According to Andriano, Giuffre didn't seem remotely upset about the experience. On the contrary, 'she thought it was pretty cool' and 'couldn't believe that she got to sleep with Prince Andrew'.
She also says that her friendship with Giuffre was what led to her being recruited – aged 14 – into Epstein and Maxwell's 'pyramid scheme' of abuse, and that Giuffre was fully aware of what was going on. 'I don't think she deserves any compensation,' she says.
'I don't think she was coerced into doing anything.'
She even goes so far as to say that Giuffre, whom she met when she was 13 and dating a 17-year-old boy who was friends with Giuffre's boyfriend, deserves to get the same treatment as Maxwell, since she 'trafficked' her into a 'world of spiralling downward slopes'.
She says the older girl had a way of making her feel 'comfortable', and that she trusted her – which is presumably why, when Giuffre asked her if she would like to 'go and make some money', she agreed to visit Epstein at his house in Palm Beach to administer a 'massage'.
Giuffre gave her a revealing top and a pair of 'tight skimpy shorts' and told her 'whatever you do, don't say your age'. They went to Epstein's place, where she watched Giuffre massage him and have sex with him, before Maxwell took her phone number and gave her $300. To my mind there is no doubt: if what Andriano is saying is true (and I have no reason to doubt her), her testimony opens up a new can of worms. It casts Giuffre in a completely different light, one in which she appears less the innocent victim of a predatory prince and more a knowing participant in a network of sleaze.
She seems to have done to Andriano exactly what she claims Maxwell did to her: groomed her as a sex object for Epstein.
Sure, she was herself an underage victim (though, of, course the age of consent – on which so much in this case hinges – varies wildly around the world). Nevertheless, there are some serious blurred lines here. Not just in relation to her role as recruiter for Maxwell, but also in terms of her claims against Prince Andrew.
A woman who claims he sexually assaulted her, yet was so excited about the chance of bedding him that she texted her friend on the other side of the world? Who showed off a picture of them together?
A person who claims to be a victim, yet herself recruits other victims, tells them to lie, gives them certain clothes to wear and shows them what to do?
Don't get me wrong: Andrew is a pompous, entitled oaf who has handled this whole thing appallingly.
But if he did sleep with Giuffre, which he has vehemently denied, Andriano's testimony raises the distinct possibility that he might not have had the slightest clue what was really going on.
Giuffre's allegation is still pretty sleazy, of course: after all, she was 17 at the time, he was almost 40. But if Giuffre encouraged Andriano to lie about her age, who's to say she didn't do the same for herself?
At some point Giuffre allegedly turned from victim into abuser, and visited on others the horrors that had been visited on her. Her supporters like to gloss over this fact.
'Virginia has said for years that her role in facilitating other young women's involvement is something she has always regretted,' says her lawyer, David Boies. I'm sure she does. But the fact remains, she still did it. And just because she regrets it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I'd hope Ghislaine also regrets many of the things she did. It won't stop her being held accountable for them, and nor should it. But the more we hear about this case, the more I can't help thinking: why was she the only one on trial?
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No getting away from it Andrew's a horrible character.
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No getting away from it Andrew's a horrible character.
I know but that Virginia sounds as bad
I actually think he is thick and got stitched up without realising it by Epstein so he had something over him.
I feel sorry for his daughters
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i think andrewiseing made a scape goat forothers such as clintonan gates.
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a bit about linton https://youtu.be/5BOts_c-EN0
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Here's an interesting article from the Steeple Times, (who have recently been supportive of Jeremy) it features photographs of the inside of Maxwell's infamous Belgravia residence which has recently come on the market.
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/randy-andys-bathtub-bonk-pad/?fbclid=IwAR1cT604_ChOyYPFEnr4zX-aMbdrkpqXD_d36oFUbT9-Gs7aNAEKdEChaPg
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Good grief ! Those poor daughters of his. Did he never consider them at all ?
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Good grief ! Those poor daughters of his. Did he never consider them at all ?
This is another aspect I find interesting, you would have thought that at the time having 2 young teenage daughters, the thought would have crossed his mind that Virginia is also the teenage daughter of another man. And how would he (Andrew) like it if a man in his 40s had sex with one of his teenage daughters.
I can remember when I was 24, someone was trying to set me up with the 16 year old daughter of a friend of their's. Even then I found the age gap to big. Driven by the fact of having a sister of the same age.
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It looks like there may be closure in the case: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/duke-york-virginia-giuffre-reach-161541392.html
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Yes it seems so Steve.
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guess who just killed themselves https://youtu.be/Dvf9ZdvUDUE
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guess who just killed themselves https://youtu.be/Dvf9ZdvUDUE
I always thought that Epstein met his demise under suspicious circumstances, and this seems to confirm my view. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10530247/Jeffrey-Epsteins-friend-Jean-Luc-Brunel-prison-suicide.html
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I always thought that Epstein met his demise under suspicious circumstances, and this seems to confirm my view. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10530247/Jeffrey-Epsteins-friend-Jean-Luc-Brunel-prison-suicide.html
Many prisoners attempt/succeed in taking their life: Bellfield, Brady, Hall, Huntley, Shipman, West.
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Many prisoners attempt/succeed in taking their life: Bellfield, Brady, Hall, Huntley, Shipman, West.
..and a good end to them many might say.
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..and a good end to them many might say.
One of the reasons I'm against CP as its clear that lengthy prison sentences/life tarriffs are tough.
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Many prisoners attempt/succeed in taking their life: Bellfield, Brady, Hall, Huntley, Shipman, West.
As many guilty do, not unknown to be in the first 10 years or so of serving a life sentence.
Leave them to it I say. Who'll miss them ?
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He should visit Ghislaine: https://www.the-sun.com/news/4728005/prince-andrew-harry-usa-ingrid-seward/
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This interview casts doubt of the authenticity of the infamous Virginia Roberts/ Prince Andrew photo.(go to 5 mins.)
https://youtu.be/E6JpL1RRXOM?t=268
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From one slapper about another ! " Lady ?", questionable !
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dadys girl https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/12/investigative-reports/meet-ghislaine-daddys-girl/
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witney web interveiw https://youtu.be/D3rhlXhvf-c
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https://youtu.be/mfaruAx7qvQ
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https://youtu.be/mfaruAx7qvQ
Did Ghislaine love Jeffrey Epstein? Is she capable of love..https://youtu.be/wo_MYozUmWc