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Title: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 01, 2012, 05:53:PM

For a long time members here have been subjected to attack and abuse by members of the so called "red forum"  Many of our members have expressed concern about the disruption and distraction caused by responses to those attacks posted here.  A proposal has been made for all threads and posts of this nature on both forums should be removed.  Although we do not accept that posts here fall into the same category as many on the "red" forum we have agreed to the proposal. 

We have this afternoon deleted three threads which had as their subject matter members of the "red" forum.  Some threads have also been deleted from that forum.  This is the first phase.  We am now looking to those in charge of the "red" forum to delete all threads and posts attacking our members or revealing their personal details.  When we see that happening we will continue the process of deleting posts and threads here.  It will then be necessary for those responsible for moderating both boards to ensure that no further attacks are posted.

It remains to be seen whether the terms of this "truce" is honoured by those running the "red" forum.  All I can say is that we will keep our side of the bargain, provided that they do.

I hope this will be for the benefit of this forum and its members.

     
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 05:59:PM
Thank you NGB.  I am sure it is a step in the right direction and many thanks to all concerned.   :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 01, 2012, 06:00:PM
A good result for those who have expressed genuine concern.  We will see if certain others will follow suit and enter in to spirit of these developments.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 06:02:PM
I'll drink to that Roch...Bottoms Up! Well, not right up...lol   :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 01, 2012, 06:08:PM
Quote from: Leo Tolstoy
Love is life. All, everything that I understand, I understand only because I love...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 01, 2012, 06:29:PM
I'll drink to that Roch...Bottoms Up! Well, not right up...lol   :) :) :)

Patti, there is still a mass of abuse about our members over there... but it's a start
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jo on November 01, 2012, 06:34:PM
This will be removed as soon as admin get back to the office. It's not something I can do.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 06:49:PM
I'll drink to that Roch...Bottoms Up! Well, not right up...lol   :) :) :)

Patti, there is still a mass of abuse about our members over there... but it's a start

Roch I hope it will all stop. This is a giant leap in the right direction for all concerned. 

We really would not abuse people like this in real life, so why do it on a forum.  I don't mind them laughing at me, but what I do mind, is someone being nasty towards to me and fellow members, when they don't take the time out to know us....

Who knows one day we might all post together......and raise the Miscarriage of Justices to unknown territory...One step at time though eh?

Well done guys....Hello to the red forum if you are looking in and be good....

Tim I think the bird of prey was a Buzzard, if not a Peregrine.  Deffo two Collard doves.  If you are interested in birds..take a look at this....obviously the fledglings have fled, but from march next year the project will begin again....It is well worth watching the eggs hatch and parents feeding them.  http://derbyperegrines.blogspot.co.uk/


Good luck.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 01, 2012, 07:07:PM

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Roch I hope it will all stop.
Patti, it involves a certain amount of self restraint on the part of those who have been persistent offenders.  Our posts are constantly watched and picked off for ridicule.  For some members to stop doing this kind of thing over there, it might be a leap too far for them, like a culture shock.  But we'll see.  I honestly do hope it works.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 07:21:PM

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Roch I hope it will all stop.
Patti, it involves a certain amount of self restraint on the part of those who have been persistent offenders.  Our posts are constantly watched and picked off for ridicule.  For some members to stop doing this kind of thing over there, it might be a leap too far for them, like a culture shock.  But we'll see.  I honestly do hope it works.

We will see Roch  ;)  I hope I'm allowed to wink at you...Ha!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 09:38:PM
Please don't post names and accusations on this thread please.  I have to agree with Petey, please abide what NGB has requested please. Thank you.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 09:53:PM
Patti you read the 'red forum' by your admission - so do you condone these constant attacks and threats?

Btw Patti that wasn't an accusation that was a fact...  :)  :) straight from the horses mouth...

Stephanie. NGB is the administrator of this forum and we have to abide by his rules whether we like it or not....

To be honest with you I do read the forum but I don't tune into it everyday.  I have even posted on it in my real name and JB can confirm that. 

This vendetta has to stop Steph.  We have an agreement in place and, that is that.

The other forum does not bother me, my concern is this one.  The best avenue one can take is to carry on regardless and do what we do best and that is to debate the things we fight for in a civilised manner like adults should do.....If you are grieved about me in any way then PM me....we will sort it.  I can't be no fairer than that...can I ?

Steph it might be a good idea to apologise to Petey, Beanie, Andrea and myself for saying that we are John L...It might be a good start on your part...

I will also make a promise to you.  I will look at Simon's case over the weekend....and try to give to strength it....Is that fair?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 10:07:PM
Patti you read the 'red forum' by your admission - so do you condone these constant attacks and threats?

Btw Patti that wasn't an accusation that was a fact...  :)  :) straight from the horses mouth...



This vendetta has to stop Steph.  We have an agreement in place and, that is that.



I think their vendetta will only stop when one of them has been arrested and gains a criminal convictions.. This is the only way to deal with abusive, threatening, highly offensive people who take their online behaviour offline.. don't you agree Patti?

I don't think people like this understand the meaning of civilised....

I think it is appauling and I am surprised that you are condoning it Patti - but that is where you and I differ I guess....

I am not condoning anything, what they say on there is of no concern to the Jeremy BAMBER forum and, should not be brought over onto this forum.  If you have a grievance with anyone there then this forum is not the place to bring that grievance to.  Take the matters else where. 

Like I have said it is now the way we are going on this forum.....
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Annie on November 01, 2012, 10:07:PM
About time!! I'm appalled at how long it has been allowed to continue.

Everyone on here seemed quite happy to sit back and observe the wicked vendetta against Stephanie and Simon ... and do nothing but criticise when she defended herself.

Stephanie I totally agree that until ALL traces of Simon and your names and addresses, including petty made up names, are completely removed then you have every right as a member on here to continue to voice your disgust!!


ps. I think you should give Patti a page in your book Stephanie ... she has some great ideas and I think she will be chuffed when you return her compliments!!


Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Annie on November 01, 2012, 10:15:PM
Will this 'peace making' event also include members from over there still being allowed to post over here?

After all that happened are we now supposed to be 'one big happy family'?

I had to endure a barrage of abuse again the other night by a certain member, who admitted to drinking and taking drugs. This followed the previous time when another member admitted being drunk. Did I receive an apology? No.

I will abide by the rules (for now) but I'm not holding my breath that abuse will stop.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: petey on November 01, 2012, 10:43:PM
ALL the names of ALL the campaigners for justice need to go too... !!

There are ex members names from here on there who have received taxi's, take-aways, threats, abuse and been defamed left right and centre.

There are threads and threads about too many people to mention..

They won't remove it because it will mean losing almost a whole forum.

I say re-instate everything and wait until that forum is removed by the authorities.....

@Patti - It has EVERYTHING to do with EVERY MOJ victim - what planet are you on?

You appear too wrapped up in your own self importance to realise the state of the INjustice in this country Patti.

You spend all your time putting music and quiz threads up.

I wonder how you would feel if you came under attack like this on a daily basis... ?!

Irrespective of what you want or believe, Roch and ngb have made a conscious decision to remove threads with the purpose of attacking and criticising the other forum.

Can  you not show some respect for the decision that they have made and whether you agree or disagree with their choice, you choose to take an active part in this, the Jeremy Bamber Forum so why don't you try and abide by what they say as forum administrators and moderators.

Secondly, Patti is a well respected long term MODERATOR of this forum. Is it really necessary for you to criticise or attempt to put her down?  If you do feel so strongly about her and what she has done, you would be far better served sending a pm either directly to Patti or if you want to go further, to Roch or ngb.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 01, 2012, 10:49:PM
Thank You Petey.  :)  I noted tonight that the discussion of the Jeremy Bamber case has ceased for over two hours.  Again the forum is in disruption.  If there is any more I will move the thread.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 02, 2012, 12:13:AM
We do not condone attacks on any member of this forum.  But Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.  We cannot magic overnight a total ceasefire involving every single person.  People have to want to be part of a process of stopping attacks.  If they do not want to be part of that process, then it follows that it's going to prove difficult to achieve the goal of stopping all attacks.   

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: andrea on November 02, 2012, 12:20:AM
Both sides will have to work at it. Shouldnt be hard to achieve.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 02, 2012, 09:05:AM
Let me say first of all that I think both ngb and Roch and Patti as well are doing an admirably job in trying to get some kind of peace between this other forum in question. I must also emphasise that my post here is no critism of their work.
But the reason I posted a picture of Leo Tolstoy (the author of War and Peace) was that he believed in the ultimate goodness and reasonableness of human nature. Unfortunately he died a very disappointed man. Why? Because man's prejudices are far stronger than his reasonable abilities.
I therefore will reserve my judgement on this peace treaty. I would like to believe it. But something causes me to doubt its success?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 02, 2012, 09:28:AM
Let me say first of all that I think both ngb and Roch and Patti as well are doing an admirably job in trying to get some kind of peace between this other forum in question. I must also emphasise that my post here is no critism of their work.
But the reason I posted a picture of Leo Tolstoy (the author of War and Peace) was that he believed in the ultimate goodness and reasonableness of human nature. Unfortunately he died a very disappointed man. Why? Because man's prejudices are far stronger than his reasonable abilities.
I therefore will reserve my judgement on this peace treaty. I would like to believe it. But something causes me to doubt its success?

Hi Lugg thank you.  I think we all understand where you are coming from, but we have to stay positive in what might be achieved.  It wont happen overnight, but given time it might just work.  The peace treaty will only fail if people oppose it and continue to cause disruptions on both sides. 

My concern is for this forum and the members that post on it and, try to limit the amount of disruption on it, so we can all do what we do best and, that is debate Jeremy Bamber and other miscarriages of justice.

I know that sometimes we all tend to go off piste and break threads up and turn it into a funny situation, but we can't live and breath JB and miscarriages of injustice day in day out, it is human nature to break that monotony.  I can't for the life of me be serious all day long, life is far too short.  Alls I can say is have faith for the time being.  I believe there is good in everybody Lugg, lets try and let a bit of gooness come out...lol  :) :) :) :)


Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 02, 2012, 09:36:AM
Morning Patti

I always thought there was good in everybody but of late think I  may have got that wrong.  I was always taught not to let other people's behaviour change mine and I try to live my life in that way. Two wrongs don't make a right so if this forum limits the amout of disruption that is the best we can do.  By the way Roch Rome wasn't built in a day but it was burnt down in one :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 02, 2012, 09:37:AM
Let me say first of all that I think both ngb and Roch and Patti as well are doing an admirably job in trying to get some kind of peace between this other forum in question. I must also emphasise that my post here is no critism of their work.
But the reason I posted a picture of Leo Tolstoy (the author of War and Peace) was that he believed in the ultimate goodness and reasonableness of human nature. Unfortunately he died a very disappointed man. Why? Because man's prejudices are far stronger than his reasonable abilities.
I therefore will reserve my judgement on this peace treaty. I would like to believe it. But something causes me to doubt its success?

Hi Lugg thank you.  I think we all understand where you are coming from, but we have to stay positive in what might be achieved.  It wont happen overnight, but given time it might just work.  The peace treaty will only fail if people oppose it and continue to cause disruptions on both sides. 

My concern is for this forum and the members that post on it and, try to limit the amount of disruption on it, so we can all do what we do best and, that is debate Jeremy Bamber and other miscarriages of justice.

I know that sometimes we all tend to go off piste and break threads up and turn it into a funny situation, but we can't live and breath JB and miscarriages of injustice day in day out, it is human nature to break that monotony.  I can't for the life of me be serious all day long, life is far too short.  Alls I can say is have faith for the time being.  I believe there is good in everybody Lugg, lets try and let a bit of gooness come out...lol  :) :) :) :)
Which is my whole point. But I believe the bonds of hatred are too strong to break in this case. Personally I don't have the same faith in human nature as you do. But as for me "Lugg" I will not contribute or be intimidated by any kind of abuse towards me if there be any. That should be the resolve of all members of this forum I believe if this is to work. I wait with anticipation.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 02, 2012, 09:46:AM
Let me say first of all that I think both ngb and Roch and Patti as well are doing an admirably job in trying to get some kind of peace between this other forum in question. I must also emphasise that my post here is no critism of their work.
But the reason I posted a picture of Leo Tolstoy (the author of War and Peace) was that he believed in the ultimate goodness and reasonableness of human nature. Unfortunately he died a very disappointed man. Why? Because man's prejudices are far stronger than his reasonable abilities.
I therefore will reserve my judgement on this peace treaty. I would like to believe it. But something causes me to doubt its success?

Hi Lugg thank you.  I think we all understand where you are coming from, but we have to stay positive in what might be achieved.  It wont happen overnight, but given time it might just work.  The peace treaty will only fail if people oppose it and continue to cause disruptions on both sides. 

My concern is for this forum and the members that post on it and, try to limit the amount of disruption on it, so we can all do what we do best and, that is debate Jeremy Bamber and other miscarriages of justice.

I know that sometimes we all tend to go off piste and break threads up and turn it into a funny situation, but we can't live and breath JB and miscarriages of injustice day in day out, it is human nature to break that monotony.  I can't for the life of me be serious all day long, life is far too short.  Alls I can say is have faith for the time being.  I believe there is good in everybody Lugg, lets try and let a bit of gooness come out...lol  :) :) :) :)
Which is my whole point. But I believe the bonds of hatred are too strong to break in this case. Personally I don't have the same faith in human nature as you do. But as for me "Lugg" I will not contribute or be intimidated by any kind of abuse towards me if there be any. That should be the resolve of all members of this forum I believe if this is to work. I wait with anticipation.

And neither will I stand for being intimidated or abuse thrown at me for no valid reason and, I have had plenty of that on this forum of late.  I often wonder why? I often think that I must be a bad person to receive such vile posts aimed at me. I often think I have said something wrong. I often think, I wonder if I have hurt them in any way....Like you I can't justify the reasons why anyone would wish to say such cruel things about you me or anyone.  But, what I wont do is join in with it or bring it to this forum.   :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: OnceSaid on November 02, 2012, 02:47:PM
I think we all have to do what we gotta do so that this forum gets back on track.  This is afterall the Jeremy Bamber forum and we have to respect that.

I also think that we all have to respect that people have different views and opinions as to who may be a miscarriage of justice, or not.  There are some members on this forum who eat sleep and breathe the injustice when a miscarriage of justice occurs and unless you have been affected you will never know the devastating consequences it has on everyone involved.  Can I ask that members do not allow miscarriage of justice individual threads to go off topic, or be allowed to become disruptive.  It is vital that information related to cases is able to be seen by the public but people don't want to have to trawl through unrelated posts to get to it.  It is only fair having researched the case in full, if someone believes that a miscarriage of justice has not occurred that they give their reasons if they are going to comment on a case.  If people were more tolerant of each other, and respected each others opinions, whether they agreed with them or not, it doesnt need to end up in a slanging match.

There are many people who think that if a miscarriage of justice has occurred then it is likely to be a one off and it must have been down to human error with no malice intended.  There are also many who believe that this is a load of nonsense.  All we can do is give people information, and if they are truly interested they will read everything available before they dismiss that a person is potentially innocent or guilty as charged.

When you truly believe that a persons/s has been wrongly convicted and voice your opinion, you leave yourself wide open to abuse and being labelled a child killer supporter, a beast supporter etc.  Unfortunately it comes with the territory, sad but true.  If the name callers actually knew the moj supporters, or knew more about them they would come to realise that we would not support a murderer in any shape or form if we believed that that person was guilty.  I genuinely believe that people who think someone has suffered from a miscarriage of justice has researched the case, and continue to search for updates, many are also privvy to priviledged information, whereas the majority of people who think the conviction is safe, have not put as much effort into their research.  Trolls are also a nuisance and do so much damage that they should be given no room to manoevre, and should be kicked off as soon as it is obvious what their game is.  I just can't understand where these people get all the spare time and why they can't get themselves something worthwhile to do rather than troll internet forums. 

Some people from both sides may be openminded and willing to have their minds changed if evidence is shown to them to sway their current view, whilst there are others who will never changed their mind no matter what is provided to them.  There's not much that can be done about that unfortunately.

We are different people, coming from different backgrounds, with a vast amount of knowledge and experience between us, but we also have oppossing views at times which is always going to be a bumpy ride, but if the forum were to have continued in the way it was going, it would probably have eventually ground to halt and the greatest loss in all of this would have been to Jeremy Bamber and the other miscarriage of justice cases which are highlighted on this site.

I know this announcement has come about due to much more than a few disgreements between members on threads and I admire what the mods are attempting to do and I will not make their job anymore difficult. Anyway, just thinking out loud and wanted to comment on a few things. :)

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 02, 2012, 04:23:PM
I think we all have to do what we gotta do so that this forum gets back on track.  This is afterall the Jeremy Bamber forum and we have to respect that.

I also think that we all have to respect that people have different views and opinions as to who may be a miscarriage of justice, or not.  There are some members on this forum who eat sleep and breathe the injustice when a miscarriage of justice occurs and unless you have been affected you will never know the devastating consequences it has on everyone involved.  Can I ask that members do not allow miscarriage of justice individual threads to go off topic, or be allowed to become disruptive.  It is vital that information related to cases is able to be seen by the public but people don't want to have to trawl through unrelated posts to get to it.  It is only fair having researched the case in full, if someone believes that a miscarriage of justice has not occurred that they give their reasons if they are going to comment on a case.  If people were more tolerant of each other, and respected each others opinions, whether they agreed with them or not, it doesnt need to end up in a slanging match.

There are many people who think that if a miscarriage of justice has occurred then it is likely to be a one off and it must have been down to human error with no malice intended.  There are also many who believe that this is a load of nonsense.  All we can do is give people information, and if they are truly interested they will read everything available before they dismiss that a person is potentially innocent or guilty as charged.

When you truly believe that a persons/s has been wrongly convicted and voice your opinion, you leave yourself wide open to abuse and being labelled a child killer supporter, a beast supporter etc.  Unfortunately it comes with the territory, sad but true.  If the name callers actually knew the moj supporters, or knew more about them they would come to realise that we would not support a murderer in any shape or form if we believed that that person was guilty.  I genuinely believe that people who think someone has suffered from a miscarriage of justice has researched the case, and continue to search for updates, many are also privvy to priviledged information, whereas the majority of people who think the conviction is safe, have not put as much effort into their research.  Trolls are also a nuisance and do so much damage that they should be given no room to manoevre, and should be kicked off as soon as it is obvious what their game is.  I just can't understand where these people get all the spare time and why they can't get themselves something worthwhile to do rather than troll internet forums. 

Some people from both sides may be openminded and willing to have their minds changed if evidence is shown to them to sway their current view, whilst there are others who will never changed their mind no matter what is provided to them.  There's not much that can be done about that unfortunately.

We are different people, coming from different backgrounds, with a vast amount of knowledge and experience between us, but we also have oppossing views at times which is always going to be a bumpy ride, but if the forum were to have continued in the way it was going, it would probably have eventually ground to halt and the greatest loss in all of this would have been to Jeremy Bamber and the other miscarriage of justice cases which are highlighted on this site.

I know this announcement has come about due to much more than a few disgreements between members on threads and I admire what the mods are attempting to do and I will not make their job anymore difficult. Anyway, just thinking out loud and wanted to comment on a few things. :)

Thank you for your support Once Said.  You make some very valid points in my opinion.  Off Topic posts do not now appear in the rolling list of 'most recent posts'.  I think this will help to refocus the attention of posters back on to case related threads.  Regarding the content of these case related threads, the mods will need to try and steer posts to remain relevant to the topic.  All threads tend to veer off-topic at some point.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 03, 2012, 11:13:AM
Quick Message to the RED FORUM. Please take down the personal messages from JP please.  We are trying our best to moderate people using surnames over here and, delete/edit any that have recently been posted; plus any post that may be used to keep the feud going.  Can we do this please. Thank you.   ;)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline R on November 03, 2012, 12:14:PM


Hi Patti . I don't think this is the way forward. We mustn't let trolls/haters dictate to us.

Half of the RED FORUM is dedicated to myself and JP and they won't take it down for the simple reason there would be no forum left and they wouldn't have anything else to talk about.

In my humble opinion - the threads that have been taken down here should be put back up so that freedom of speech can continue.

Patti I think you will find that their posts fall under 'harassment (by their own admission), defamation, stalking, highly offensive comments, hate crime and damn right nastiness.'

Patti you need to realise these people are ill and there is no magic cure for their behaviours.

Sadly MOJ' s appear to attract these types of individuals. Until they seek professional help and/or are apprehended by the authorities - it will not stop.

I totally agree with you Steph! Especially as it seems to also coincide with certain notorious banned members being allowed to return. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 03, 2012, 12:16:PM


Hi Patti . I don't think this is the way forward. We mustn't let trolls/haters dictate to us.

Half of the RED FORUM is dedicated to myself and JP and they won't take it down for the simple reason there would be no forum left and they wouldn't have anything else to talk about.

In my humble opinion - the threads that have been taken down here should be put back up so that freedom of speech can continue.

Patti I think you will find that their posts fall under 'harassment (by their own admission), defamation, stalking, highly offensive comments, hate crime and damn right nastiness.'

Patti you need to realise these people are ill and there is no magic cure for their behaviours.

Sadly MOJ' s appear to attract these types of individuals. Until they seek professional help and/or are apprehended by the authorities - it will not stop.

I totally agree with you Steph! Especially as it seems to also coincide with certain notorious banned members being allowed to return.

I will be making a further announcement on this soon. 

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: bob on November 03, 2012, 12:19:PM
I see my previous post was deleted.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 03, 2012, 12:22:PM
I see my previous post was deleted.

It was deleted Bob.  I viewed it an attempt to goad a member and I thought it better to nip this in the bud before it escalated.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline R on November 03, 2012, 12:36:PM
Thank you Caroline... I have no idea what has been going on these past few months but there have been one or two trolls on this forum, clearly here to disrupt and cause as much distress to members as possible.

Mat & Lithium are 2 such trolls - one of these appears to have been here for the sole purpose of gaining personal details of certain individuals. The same person has then gone on to tell a string of lies, again with the sole purpose of causing distress and discord to members.

It is clear to me who the genuine posters are on this forum and who aren't. It is also clear to me that there appears to be a cliche and this cliche appear intent of causing friction and behaving in an unfair manner.

Again, I agree and this whole thing will be to the detriment of the whole board - I seriously can't be arsed any more.  I certainly cannot see the fascination with bringing back people who have not only set out to offend regular contributors but have caused them untold distress. Lugg mentioned Animal Farm earlier - it seems another revolution was already under way!!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 01:03:PM
Thank you Caroline... I have no idea what has been going on these past few months but there have been one or two trolls on this forum, clearly here to disrupt and cause as much distress to members as possible.

Mat & Lithium are 2 such trolls - one of these appears to have been here for the sole purpose of gaining personal details of certain individuals. The same person has then gone on to tell a string of lies, again with the sole purpose of causing distress and discord to members.

It is clear to me who the genuine posters are on this forum and who aren't. It is also clear to me that there appears to be a cliche and this cliche appear intent of causing friction and behaving in an unfair manner.

Again, I agree and this whole thing will be to the detriment of the whole board - I seriously can't be arsed any more.  I certainly cannot see the fascination with bringing back people who have not only set out to offend regular contributors but have caused them untold distress. Lugg mentioned Animal Farm earlier - it seems another revolution was already under way!!

Who is being brought back? 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline R on November 03, 2012, 01:20:PM
Who is being brought back?

Not 'being' brought back 'has been' brought back!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 01:30:PM
Who is being brought back?

Not 'being' brought back 'has been' brought back!

I think members might be mistaken.  There is one banned member posting under a different name but it is not the person who has been suggested.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: bob on November 03, 2012, 01:36:PM
Who is being brought back?

Not 'being' brought back 'has been' brought back!

I think members might be mistaken.  There is one banned member posting under a different name but it is not the person who has been suggested.
Why is a banned user knowingly allowed to post under a different name?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 01:48:PM
Who is being brought back?

Not 'being' brought back 'has been' brought back!

I think members might be mistaken.  There is one banned member posting under a different name but it is not the person who has been suggested.
Why is a banned user knowingly allowed to post under a different name?

It was not initially known but then became apparent.  The only answer I can come up with is that we are generally inclined towards goodwill / leniency in some situations.  Where a person is banned but then returns shortly afterwards, that would likely result in a second ban.  Where a considerable amount of time has elapsed since the initial ban, it may be another matter.  A second ban might then depend upon the current conduct of the returnee? Hope this makes sense.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline R on November 03, 2012, 02:03:PM

I think members might be mistaken.  There is one banned member posting under a different name but it is not the person who has been suggested.

I concede to being wrong - how paranoia sets in so easily!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 03, 2012, 02:10:PM
Caroline  well done for that post my girl it shows you are made of true grit :) and a very honest intelligent young lady and the forum needs people like you. :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 02:13:PM

I think members might be mistaken.  There is one banned member posting under a different name but it is not the person who has been suggested.

I concede to being wrong - how paranoia sets in so easily!

It's easily done.  I've done it my self.  I also concur with Susan's post in respect of your posting on this forum.  Probably because you seem to be on my wavelength when it comes to the main case  ;)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline R on November 03, 2012, 02:31:PM
It's easily done.  I've done it my self.  I also concur with Susan's post in respect of your posting on this forum.  Probably because you seem to be on my wavelength when it comes to the main case  ;)

Thanks!  :) To both of you!!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: maggie on November 03, 2012, 02:47:PM

I think members might be mistaken.  There is one banned member posting under a different name but it is not the person who has been suggested.

I concede to being wrong - how paranoia sets in so easily!
I agree with you Caroline, I have just had a funny 5 minutes about the same information.  I apologised to Patti by pm and apologising to her on the forum...Sorry Pats ;D ;D
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 02:48:PM
In my opinion, I don't think we should place too much pressure on Joanne.  She obviously doing her best already.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 03, 2012, 02:57:PM

I think members might be mistaken.  There is one banned member posting under a different name but it is not the person who has been suggested.

I concede to being wrong - how paranoia sets in so easily!
I agree with you Caroline, I have just had a funny 5 minutes about the same information.  I apologised to Patti by pm and apologising to her on the forum...Sorry Pats ;D ;D

That's OK maggie, no worries. With what is going on at the moment it is understandable.  You've only had a funny 5 minutes. Well I invite you into my living room and you would howl with laughter.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Annie on November 03, 2012, 03:22:PM
Maybe Joanne should think about phoning HMP Kingston to verify what you say?

Joanne has tried her best to bring some sort of sensible end to this continuing battle, yet seems to have been drawn in by the lies of her 'playground buddies'. It's a shame she won't heed your advice Stephanie.

Maybe she should take a step back and realise that her 'buddies' amount to a handful of nasty, individuals, whereas this forum has many genuine members who are trying to resolve and put an end to their games.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 03:38:PM
Maybe Joanne should think about phoning HMP Kingston to verify what you say?

Joanne has tried her best to bring some sort of sensible end to this continuing battle, yet seems to have been drawn in by the lies of her 'playground buddies'. It's a shame she won't heed your advice Stephanie.

Maybe she should take a step back and realise that her 'buddies' amount to a handful of nasty, individuals, whereas this forum has many genuine members who are trying to resolve and put an end to their games.

I dont see what use slating them is, if we are trying to negotiate some kind of workable truce.  Please adhere to requests not to attack them.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Annie on November 03, 2012, 03:44:PM
I have 'attacked' no-one Roch!!!

I sympathise with Joanne and respect her for trying to resolve the issues between the forums.

I merely wanted to point out that she has been taken is by their lies and used by them to do their dirty work, resulting in her getting into trouble with HMP.

I like and respect Joanne and do not want her to get a criminal record merely because she believed the lies of others.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 03:47:PM
We requested that nothing negative was posted in relation to the other forum, regardless of whether members felt they were justified in doing so.  'Cool heads' is all I am saying.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 04:04:PM
So I take it the 'truce' is off??

I'm not sure what you mean.  But will you and Annie please adhere to Mods' requests. Thanks.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Annie on November 03, 2012, 04:26:PM
We requested that nothing negative was posted in relation to the other forum, regardless of whether members felt they were justified in doing so.  'Cool heads' is all I am saying.

What is 'negative' about offering advice?

My opinion and advice is just that ... my opinion and my advice!!

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 03, 2012, 04:35:PM
We requested that nothing negative was posted in relation to the other forum, regardless of whether members felt they were justified in doing so.  'Cool heads' is all I am saying.

What is 'negative' about offering advice?

My opinion and advice is just that ... my opinion and my advice!!

When did this thread become the 'Annie's advice' thread?   You made negative remarks about the other forum, on the open forum.  So I pointed out that your doing so was in contradiction to the request we put out. 

Please help me out by refraining from commenting on these matters any further. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: -Harters- on November 04, 2012, 10:58:AM
Rochy, I fear you may be fighting a losing battle here, some people seem to thrive on the conflict, take that away from them and they will be nothing but an empty shell.  :-\
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 04, 2012, 11:24:AM
We requested that nothing negative was posted in relation to the other forum, regardless of whether members felt they were justified in doing so.  'Cool heads' is all I am saying.

Can we please adhere to what Roch has said please. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 04, 2012, 11:56:AM
We requested that nothing negative was posted in relation to the other forum, regardless of whether members felt they were justified in doing so.  'Cool heads' is all I am saying.

Can we please adhere to what Roch has said please.

I support that.  A lot of effort has gone into this and it is important that it succeeds, in the interests of the forum and its members.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 09, 2012, 05:08:PM
Update:

Bar some initial teething problems, we have stuck to the agreement so far.  We have not allowed criticism of the other forum to be posted upon our open forum, without challenge, removal or editing.  We have not posted negatively on our open forum in respect to other members over there, regardless as to whether they use their real name or a user-name.

We do not allow threads over here targeting members over there, regardless of whether they use their real name or a user-name.

Where negative posts did appear over here, we removed them or edited them and asked for cooperation from our members.  We have not allowed any of our members to act as 'renegades' to the agreement, undermining the hard work of Andrea and Joanne. 

We do not wish for people who openly express negative views, cling to the past and who would prefer conflict and abuse, to undermine this agreement. 

We have respected the spirit of this agreement, in good faith.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 09, 2012, 06:01:PM
Update:

Bar some initial teething problems, we have stuck to the agreement so far.  We have not allowed criticism of the other forum to be posted upon our open forum, without challenge, removal or editing.  We have not posted negatively on our open forum in respect to other members over there, regardless as to whether they use their real name or a user-name.

We do not allow threads over here targeting members over there, regardless of whether they use their real name or a user-name.

Where negative posts did appear over here, we removed them or edited them and asked for cooperation from our members.  We have not allowed any of our members to act as 'renegades' to the agreement, undermining the hard work of Andrea and Joanne. 

We do not wish for people who openly express negative views, cling to the past and who would prefer conflict and abuse, to undermine this agreement. 

We have respected the spirit of this agreement, in good faith.
I would also like think that this has come about by members here freely cooperating with the administration of this forum?
So are they on the "other" forum behaving just as respectfuly as we are Roch?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 09, 2012, 06:09:PM
I would also like think that this has come about by members here freely cooperating with the administration of this forum?
So are they on the "other" forum behaving just as respectfuly as we are Roch?

They have an opportunity to do so and I am hopeful that they will reciprocate in good faith, in a similar way to the recent breakthroughs we have seen.  I prefer to remain positive about the members on their forum. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 09, 2012, 07:35:PM
They have an opportunity to do so and I am hopeful that they will reciprocate in good faith, in a similar way to the recent breakthroughs we have seen.  I prefer to remain positive about the members on their forum.

Well said Roch. We can only go forward and stay positive.  By the way the drinks are me! Salute to the future....xxxx
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 09, 2012, 10:42:PM
Still waiting for the spirit of the agreement to be fully implemented.  I hope this happens soon.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 10, 2012, 12:56:PM
Can we please have a guarantee from the leading members and mods on the other forum that no multiple user-names will be used in the poll on the other forum?  If multiple user-names are allowed to represent real members over there, this would effectively rig the poll result.

Transparency would be seen as a very positive thing in this poll.  I also hope that any members from here who have opened accounts over there, will see the benefit of allowing an agreement to continue.  It facilitates case related debate to continue, without the endless interference provided by bickering.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 10, 2012, 01:29:PM
Can we please have a guarantee from the leading members and mods on the other forum that no multiple user-names will be used in the poll on the other forum?  If multiple user-names are allowed to represent real members over there, this would effectively rig the poll result.

Transparency would be seen as a very positive thing in this poll.  I also hope that any members from here who have opened accounts over there, will see the benefit of allowing an agreement to continue.  It facilitates case related debate to continue, without the endless interference provided by bickering.

Is there any response available from the other forum, in respect of the above request?  Can they please answer on their open forum?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 10, 2012, 02:42:PM
Is there any response available from the other forum, in respect of the above request?  Can they please answer on their open forum?
What is the poll for Roch?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jo on November 10, 2012, 03:00:PM
I can't guarantee anything, sorry. Well not on behalf of anyone else anyway.
The poll is about the truce Lugg.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 10, 2012, 07:03:PM
What is the poll for Roch?

Not sure Lugg. I have not seen the question sent to their members.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 10, 2012, 09:05:PM
I can't guarantee anything, sorry. Well not on behalf of anyone else anyway.
The poll is about the truce Lugg.
Why should they need a poll about a truce? We had no poll and we have kept to it.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: lookout on November 11, 2012, 10:08:AM
Hey,,I object to being called " old ",as posted by Dillon on the red forum when he referred to me as " silly old Lookout ".
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 11, 2012, 10:10:AM
Hey,,I object to being called " old ",as posted by Dillon on the red forum when he referred to me as " silly old Lookout ".
I never listen to guitar playing rabbits myself. ;D
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: lookout on November 11, 2012, 11:34:AM
I never listen to guitar playing rabbits myself. ;D


It doesn't bother me at all,Lugg. Sticks and stones and all that--------------------
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Beanie on November 13, 2012, 12:18:AM
Thank you for all the admins on here and the other forum have done to regain some peace.
It is a much nicer place to visit since this truce. long may it reign.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 13, 2012, 09:41:PM
Thank you for all the admins on here and the other forum have done to regain some peace.
It is a much nicer place to visit since this truce. long may it reign.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jo on November 14, 2012, 11:25:AM
It's brilliant, so glad it's working  :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 14, 2012, 11:30:AM
Morning JoanneO1

Yes I agree its working and it is brilliant. :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jo on November 16, 2012, 10:14:AM
Is there anything that can be done to remove and stop all the spam?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 16, 2012, 10:24:AM
Morning JoanneO1  The spam has got really bad just this last week thought I was on the wrong forum this morning :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jo on November 16, 2012, 10:38:AM
Its really annoying Susan isn't it? I think the spammers are getting cleverer now, registering accounts in order to post their rubbish, we had it for a while on the other forum and it sempt to be a daily first job, removing it!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 16, 2012, 10:55:AM
Hi JoanneO1  Yes this spam thing is gross.  I nearly opened one the other day thank goodnes I did'ent a virus on top of Dial Up not a good combination at all :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 16, 2012, 12:33:PM


I am really fed up with it.  I am constantly deleting spam and banning the usernames.  They all seem to originate in Russia.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Bridget on November 16, 2012, 01:22:PM
Is it possible to set it so that new registrations have to be approved for while?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 16, 2012, 01:23:PM
Is it possible to set it so that new registrations have to be approved for while?
I thought they were already set like that?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: nugnug on November 16, 2012, 02:11:PM
you could use project honeypot ill send you the link in a min.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 16, 2012, 02:13:PM
I thought they were already set like that?

There has to be email verification and some fail that, but this latest bunch seem to have found a way through.  If this continues I will have a look at changing some settings.

 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 16, 2012, 03:26:PM

I am really fed up with it.  I am constantly deleting spam and banning the usernames.

It's like trying to bat away silencers. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Bridget on November 16, 2012, 03:53:PM
It's like trying to bat away silencers.

Or defence theories ;)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: -Harters- on November 16, 2012, 03:56:PM
Or defence theories ;)

Or Rochys sarcasm.  :P
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 16, 2012, 03:58:PM
Or Rochys sarcasm.  :P

One thing I plan to not bat away this evening, is a number of pints heading in my direction.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: -Harters- on November 16, 2012, 04:09:PM
One thing I plan to not bat away this evening, is a number of pints heading in my direction.

Yes that sounds like a plan.  :)

With all of these 'spam' posts, is it worth using the 'report to mod' button, or should we just ignore them?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 16, 2012, 04:24:PM
Yes that sounds like a plan.  :)

With all of these 'spam' posts, is it worth using the 'report to mod' button, or should we just ignore them?

I don't think it will help.  But maybe we should be advising forum members not to click on the links in them?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on November 16, 2012, 04:29:PM
I don't think it will help.  But maybe we should be advising forum members not to click on the links in them?

Unless they want to buy fake time shares, fake watches, penis enlargement pills and god knows what else.  ;D
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 16, 2012, 04:34:PM
Hi Mat

or photo's of naughty girls looking for a strong man :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on November 16, 2012, 04:36:PM
Hi Mat

or photo's of naughty girls looking for a strong man :)

Hi, Susan! :)

I haven't seen them yet.. but I shall certainly keep an eye out now.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 16, 2012, 05:47:PM
I don't think it will help.  But maybe we should be advising forum members not to click on the links in them?

I agree Roch....Please do not open any links.  I have to nip out, but will be back asap... :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: lookout on November 18, 2012, 01:01:PM
Why are there 4 pages on the red forum slating me.? Every poster on that forum has had a go,,and it started over a week ago. Has nobody here noticed.? Or is it a case of " there's none so blind as those who can't see.".? Totally unfair that I should remain their punchbag and laughing stock. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 01:06:PM
Why are there 4 pages on the red forum slating me.? Every poster on that forum has had a go,,and it started over a week ago. Has nobody here noticed.? Or is it a case of " there's none so blind as those who can't see.".? Totally unfair that I should remain their punchbag and laughing stock. Thanks a lot.

Hi Lookout I have asked them to removed those posts, but unfortunately they remain.  We can't force them to remove anything, but I will ask John again.  Can you tell me the thread please.  They did however remove something from the title of one of the threads they put up in your name. Is this the one you mean....

There are still many threads on the red forum about our members on here Lookout, so you are not the only one....All I can do is make the request again....Bare with me... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 18, 2012, 01:07:PM
Why are there 4 pages on the red forum slating me.? Every poster on that forum has had a go,,and it started over a week ago. Has nobody here noticed.? Or is it a case of " there's none so blind as those who can't see.".? Totally unfair that I should remain their punchbag and laughing stock. Thanks a lot.

I have not seen it but will take a look. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 18, 2012, 01:12:PM
Are you referring to your thread, which we asked to be removed?  It was last posted upon on the 10th Nov.  Or are you referring to something else on there?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 01:16:PM
If you look at the Lookout thread on there page 3 Nov 8th you will see that Tim requested that offensive posts to be removed. I was the one that made that request on behalf of Lookout.  I will ask John again,having found the thread in question.  To remove the thread would be an advantage for them at the end of the day....Newcomers will always be put of seeing threads of this nature.  It serves no purpose to the forum in my opinion. 

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 18, 2012, 01:30:PM
Let's not forget the excellent progress made already, which to be fair, needed their cooperation.  If there are some outstanding issues then we will negotiate behind the scenes.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on November 18, 2012, 01:32:PM
I can't speak for members of the other forum of course. But personally I think members of this forum deserve to be congratulated.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 18, 2012, 01:35:PM
I can't speak for members of the other forum of course. But personally I think members of this forum deserve to be congratulated.

I agree.  There has been a high level of restraint and cooperation from our members.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 18, 2012, 01:38:PM
Which members posts have been removed? It seems Mike T and many others of us are still the centre of their attentions.....?!?

Can you (behind scenes) ask when xxxx plans to make a public apology for sending 'hate mail' to my gorgeous hubby accusing me of things I had not done... when all along she was listening to the words of a known and shown, blatent LIAR!!!

Surely you are not suggesting that a tonne of stuff hasn't been removed?  I think it would be better if you discussed any further matters by pm. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 18, 2012, 01:45:PM
Surely you are not suggesting that a tonne of stuff doesn't remain??

Some stuff does remain but nowhere near as much as what was present beforehand. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 18, 2012, 01:49:PM
Some stuff does remain but nowhere near as much as what was present beforehand.

We have continued to remove material when requested, in accordance with the agreement.  There does still remain material on the red forum which should be removed.  They have removed a large number of threads at our request but it has taken longer to identify them all as there were far more there than there were here.  I will be requesting removal of further threads and hope that this request will be followed.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 02:15:PM
Can we have all complaints sent in private PM's please rather in public.  We are here to support our members, but we would prefer this to be done in private.  We would appreciate your support on this.  Thank you.   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on November 18, 2012, 02:25:PM
I have yet to receive, even via PM, an apology from said forum member.

I can bury my head in the sand and choose to not mention this further, that isn't a problem. But said member needs to be aware of the fact, that one day soon........

I WILL name and Shame - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QR95-ryd0c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QR95-ryd0c)

Your complaint has been noted, please don't post about this further on the open forum but you are welcome to pm mods.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on November 18, 2012, 05:53:PM
Both boards feel a lot more pleasant since the truce, the fact that abuse wasn't gonig to be dished out on either board is the main reason I felt I could come back here. So well done to whoever made it happen.

Particularly, Roch, NGB and Patti on here who haveall had their issues with people on the red forum but still helped even though it would have been easier to turn away!  :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 18, 2012, 05:58:PM
Mat  Well put :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on November 18, 2012, 06:01:PM
Mat  Well put :) :) :)

Thanks, Susan!  :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 06:36:PM
Stop it now? Please.   >:(
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on November 18, 2012, 06:37:PM
Stop it now? Please.   >:(

I shall just ignore her.  :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 06:37:PM
Stop it now? Please.   >:(

Steph I am going to remove your posts......sorry.  We need to clamp down on this sort of thing.  Please refrain...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 06:38:PM
I shall just ignore her.  :)

Yes please. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 06:40:PM
Ok thanks Patti but maybe MAT should be made aware of what is actually, factually going on - to ensure MAT doesn't continue with his behaviour over on red... ty

Mat is well aware Steph....keep it nice eh? For me. That's all I ask.  :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 07:10:PM
Please refrain from this please. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: andrea on November 18, 2012, 07:18:PM
Hello, Pat and Mat  ;)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Patti on November 18, 2012, 07:22:PM
Hello, Pat and Mat  ;)

Hi Andrea...Hellooooooooooooo

I am trying to take a break, before I pass out....Will speak later.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: andrea on November 18, 2012, 07:25:PM
Hi Andrea...Hellooooooooooooo

I am trying to take a break, before I pass out....Will speak later.  :) :) :)

See thee later x
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 20, 2012, 03:05:PM


Thanks JL.  I am pleased to see that the forum truce continues.





Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jo on November 20, 2012, 03:13:PM
Me too.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on November 20, 2012, 03:36:PM
ngb  thanks to you for all your hard work with JL to make this truce happen the forum feels so nice and relaxing now. :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on November 20, 2012, 03:54:PM
ngb  thanks to you for all your hard work with JL to make this truce happen the forum feels so nice and relaxing now. :)

Thanks Susan.  I think it is worth the effort.  Thank you also to those who have assisted behind the scenes in achieving this.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on February 06, 2013, 11:08:AM
I've just scanned over some extraordinary posts on the other forum attacking me.  I just wanted to say, I haven't got a clue what you are wittering on about.  It just seems like demented, delusional and nasty ranting.  I really do fear for some people's sanity at times.  Very strange.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on February 06, 2013, 11:21:AM
I was just a bit taken aback by the venom and hatred.  It just seems so unneccessary and without reason  :-\  Especially given the fact that I have recently removed highly sensitive posts mocking one of the offenders, even though they are no longer a member here.   

I can honestly say I am glad I do not inhabit the same strange world as these people... because they have got very serious issues in my opinion. 



Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on February 06, 2013, 11:40:AM
I've just scanned over some extraordinary posts on the other forum attacking me.  I just wanted to say, I haven't got a clue what you are wittering on about.  It just seems like demented, delusional and nasty ranting.  I really do fear for some people's sanity at times.  Very strange.
Ignore it Roch. They are only orks.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Lugg on February 06, 2013, 11:47:AM
Personally... I think the Simon Hall (serious discussion only) thread should remain locked.

Imho, it was only ever started in order for internet trolls to cause alarm and distress and spread their venom.

Simon's case is with the CCRC and I can assure all genuine readers that we are expecting news soon.

Simon remains strong, positive and as determined as ever to clear his name.

Simon wishes his own family had done more.
Stephanie I can assure you 100% that the thread was not started with that in mind. It was started in order to give you and Simon's case a fair hearing WITHOUT trolls taking over. It is just a pity that it has deteriorated in the way it has.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on February 06, 2013, 12:12:PM
Hi,

No further posts about the SH thread please.  It's debate is temp suspended until admin and mods can assess various concerns raised via pm.  This will take place later today.

Thanks in advance for cooperation.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jo on February 06, 2013, 12:15:PM
I am sorting it now Roch, I am sorry for the attack, John is lgging on as we speak.
I have been on and removed and/or modified, if there is anything else just let me know.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on February 06, 2013, 01:13:PM
I am sorting it now Roch, I am sorry for the attack, John is lgging on as we speak.
I have been on and removed and/or modified, if there is anything else just let me know.

Thanks for your assistance in this Joanne.  :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on February 27, 2014, 05:30:PM

The forum truce is being breached, repeatedly, by several members of the red forum.  The truce has been strictly observed here, with offending posts removed or edited as soon as they are seen by an administrator or moderator.  That has happened several times over the last week.  We expect the red forum moderators to act in the same way.  I trust that the offending posts will now be removed.  The administrators/moderators know exactly which posts breach the terms of the truce.




Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 27, 2014, 07:53:PM
I agree Neil - there are entire threads dedicated to slagging off our members with vile insinuations. I have just checked the red and one or two mild posts from here are being highlighted as being abusive towards their members. I believe there is one in which  they are referred to as 'lunies'. The very people who are commenting and highlighting such meager spats, have been responsible for constant abuse towards both members and mods alike for months. The trolling is coming from a minority of posters, BUT I can't see how leaving whole threads that are nothing other than attempts to goad our members, is in keeping with any kind of truce. I do congratulate Joanne, who has tried recently to stop the abuse but her words have fallen on deaf ears. One in particular just can't seem to move on after being banned from here and insists upon USING the red forum as a platform to tread her sour grapes. Oh and by the way - I think it's hilarious that she STILL thinks I'm Keira.  ;D
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 27, 2014, 09:03:PM
Pots and kettles!! And there is no one more sanctimonious than you!! Constantly bitching on about why you were banned!! You were banned from here because you couldn't be moderated - something you prove on a daily basis on the red forum. The spying works both ways!!

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jane on February 27, 2014, 09:24:PM
Sadly, what you casually dismissed as happening because you were "feeling bored and mischievous" caused some people deep distress. The saving up of pm's in which some people had shared with you , because they trusted you, painful and intimate secrets, only to have them splashed all over the forum, telling someone that you'd reveal to her children, things she'd told you in confidence. YOU may have thought it was funny. Would it have been quite as funny had you been in their position. How would you feel if someone was to stoop so low as to threaten to tell your family what you'd done.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 27, 2014, 09:44:PM
I don't care what the red forum members think of you, that's for them to decide. You were banned because you wouldn't listen and then went on a vendetta rampage which you're still actively pursuing. Call me what you like but call ME it not someone you think or imagine I am. I have ALWAYS used my REAL name and posted MY picture. I've NEVER seen you do the same.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 27, 2014, 10:51:PM
No one is really interested in your PM's - frankly it's embarrassing! You know exactly why you were banned and you were warned more than once - you just took it all as a joke. You hate criticism of any kind and immediately go on the defensive and then think you have to 'get your own back'. If you have been reasonable - you wouldn't have been banned. No one has posted anything derogatory about you here but you just can't stop with the name calling.

I don't have the 'low down' on who you are and I don't want it either but it's really rich to complain about that when you constantly accuse me of being bloody Keira when it's quite f'ing evident that I'm not! - End of!!

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on February 28, 2014, 01:19:AM
Why was my post deleted where I said I'm not a mod on there any more?   :o
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 28, 2014, 01:26:AM
Why was my post deleted where I said I'm not a mod on there any more?   :o

Thought you felt uncomfortable? People aleady know you're not a mod over there.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on February 28, 2014, 01:36:AM
Thought you felt uncomfortable? People aleady know you're not a mod over there.

No. As I said in the post - two people asked me to remove posts from the red forum today. So I posted in this topic to say I can't, I'm not a mod.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 28, 2014, 01:39:AM
No. As I said in the post - two people asked me to remove posts from the red forum today. So I posted in this topic to say I can't, I'm not a mod.

Then went straight over to the red forum to say how uncomfortable you were about people posting in this thread. It's really time this cross forum crap came to an end. There is no need for it - just a few people intent on causing problems. I don't understand it and I never will.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on February 28, 2014, 01:41:AM
No, I said I found it awkward people were bickering in this topic, straight after NGB's post. I'm not interested in bickering, Caroline. Night.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 28, 2014, 01:43:AM
No, I said I found it awkward people were bickering in this topic, straight after NGB's post. I'm not interested in bickering, Caroline. Night.

Of course you're not - but at least you have used my real name!!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 28, 2014, 02:12:AM
There are good people on BOTH forums and it's sad that a FEW people continue be abuse, if the truce is to remain - both sides have to moderate with the same vigor. Understandably, abusive posts may be missed but we, as  moderators SHOULD be able to communicate with Mods on the Red forum and request that offensive posts be removed as and when necessary (and vice versa). I make a suggestion that perhaps we have cross communication? I would be willing stand as the Blue rep and would ask Joanne to stand for the Red - if she is willing?

By the way Mat, nothing sinister in your post being removed - it wasn't relevant and neither was my reply. I removed it, and mine for that reason.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on February 28, 2014, 03:02:AM
There are good people on BOTH forums and it's sad that a FEW people continue to post abuse, if the truce is to remain - both sides have to moderate with the same vigor. Understandably, abusive posts may be missed on both sides but we moderators SHOULD be able to communicate with Mods on the Red forum and request that offensive posts be removed as and when necessary (and vice versa). I make a suggestion that perhaps we have cross communication? I would be willing stand as the Blue rep and would ask Joanne to stand for the Red - if she is willing?

By the way Mat, nothing sinister in your post being removed - it wasn't relevant and neither was my reply. I removed it and mine for that reason.

Caroline it appears my post have been removed but if you choose to remove this one can I ask that you don't delete it.

You do not appear to be taking notice of my posts but can I ask for you to have a think about what you are saying. The forum in question has been reported to the police and may not be online for much longer. With regards to some of their member they may soon be facing criminal charges.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 28, 2014, 03:27:AM
Caroline it appears my post have been removed but if you choose to remove this one can I ask that you don't delete it.

You do not appear to be taking notice of my posts but can I ask for you to have a think about what you are saying. The forum in question has been reported to the police and may not be online for much longer. With regards to some of their member they may soon be facing criminal charges.

Stephanie, this isn't the place for you right now!!

 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Jane on February 28, 2014, 07:08:AM
What you have had to say about other people says much more about you than about them. I'm really no longer certain how this whole thing started but I seem to recall that there was a suggestion that there was trialed for a period a clap/clout of posts system which rapidly descended into chaos. Whilst it was never a competition, I seem to recall you complaining about how points were awarded and awarding yourself extra points. I wonder why you thought you deserved them. I can't imagine just HOW angry and vengeful a person would need to be to betray their friends, but that's what I experience you as having done. I appreciate that you'd become unhappy with us because the spitefulness started before you left and was the reason for the temporary ban which only changed to a life time ban when you chose to air your resentment, and what feels very much like personal hatred, from the red forum where you appear to be trying to whip up the same resentment of us amongst your fellow posters who for the most part only want to do what they joined the forum for-debate MoJ's. You don't seem to accept that you have any responsibility in what has happened. It comes over that you think we've treated you unfairly because we didn't understand that you were "feeling mischievous and bored". From where we were, it felt like neither. If we overlook that it wasn't the sort of behaviour one would expect of an intelligent, adult woman, it felt mean, venomous, menacing, spiteful and CRUEL. It actually destroyed the last vestige of sympathy any of us may have had for you, however, if you're seeing all of this as a compliment, you're probably feeling very proud of what you've achieved.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on February 28, 2014, 10:39:AM
Stephanie, this isn't the place for you right now!!

Where do you want me to be right now then Caroline?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on February 28, 2014, 10:44:AM
Many of you may not be aware of the fact that the hate site is affecting other people, some do not post here .

I simply posted last night in order for people to report the sites, as many have done via other mediums.

If you would like me to post the link to the police and provide the crime number again please let me know.

It needs shutting down. End of.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on February 28, 2014, 10:46:AM
Many of you may not be aware of the fact that the hate site is affecting other people, some do not post here .

I simply posted last night in order for people to report the sites, as many have done via other mediums.

If you would like me to post the link to the police and provide the crime number again please let me know.

It needs shutting down. End of.

Btw I haven't been over there for a long time as I have been made aware of some of it's content.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on February 28, 2014, 04:33:PM
Caroline/NGB.

I've been asked by John to pass on assurances to blue forum that inappropriate posts are being removed.   In particular they have removed all references to Stephanie Hall in the thread dedicated to Simon.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on February 28, 2014, 04:36:PM
Caroline/NGB.

I've been asked by John to pass on assurances to blue forum that inappropriate posts are being removed.   In particular they have removed all references to Stephanie Hall in the thread dedicated to Simon.

Thank you Mat.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on February 28, 2014, 05:00:PM
Caroline/NGB.

I've been asked by John to pass on assurances to blue forum that inappropriate posts are being removed.   In particular they have removed all references to Stephanie Hall in the thread dedicated to Simon.

I want all content relating to Simon also removed!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on February 28, 2014, 06:12:PM
Caroline/NGB.

I've been asked by John to pass on assurances to blue forum that inappropriate posts are being removed.   In particular they have removed all references to Stephanie Hall in the thread dedicated to Simon.

Thanks - good news!!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 02:23:PM
I want all content relating to Simon also removed!

I am again asking that all negative comments relating to myself and Simon are removed from the red forum. I have been made aware of 'pleas' from the bio family. You all have my address, write to me direct do not make a public scene. Your actions are inciting others and encouraging hate. You may be doing this knowingly or unknowingly but there is a time and place. Publicly is not the place. I am asking you to do this for Simon. He would not want this. This is not an attack on you.

If you wish to help in anyway you can do so by reporting the hatred and vile things that are being posted  about Simon across facebook and other sites.

I am following Simon's wishes to the best of my ability.


   

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Bernadette on March 01, 2014, 04:20:PM
Stephanie

I have read your comments in your last post and agree that we all should behave in an appropriate manner for Simon
You yourself could put a stop to the hatred you talk about by publicly Inviting all Simons family to his funeral here on this forum.We all in turn will reply here to show your willingness to do this to put an end to all this animosity.

Bernadette
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 05:04:PM
I'm not prepared to do this publicly Bernie.

You have my private contact details.

However I will reiterate that I am following Simon's wishes and I will not allow a repeat like we had at the Court of appeal. Obviously this doesn't apply to you.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 01, 2014, 05:16:PM
I'm not trying to be mean to any of Simon's family members or Stephanie. But do you all think that a public forum is the appropriate place to discuss these things? I wonder would it be better for you all to forget all your differences and just privately contact oneanother to arrange things decently and in order?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Bernadette on March 01, 2014, 05:30:PM
Stephanie

Thank you for your reply but I do not have your private details however i see that people pm? each other through this forum messaging system, can you advise how i do this, this way it will be just between ourselves.

Berni
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on March 01, 2014, 05:33:PM
Stephanie

Thank you for your reply but I do not have your private details however i see that people pm? each other through this forum messaging system, can you advise how i do this, this way it will be just between ourselves.

Berni

Click on the member's name and you will then see a profile.  One of the options there is "send PM".  Click on that and a box will appear.  Type your message there and click "send".

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Bernadette on March 01, 2014, 05:36:PM
Graham

Thank you for your comments and duly noted, however this was the only contact I had.

I have since found out that I can send her a private message and for her help in doing so,

Bernadette
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Bernadette on March 01, 2014, 05:40:PM
Stephanie

I have pm you
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on March 01, 2014, 05:49:PM
Stephanie

I have pm you

This is a much better way to communicate - hope you're all able come to a satisfactory solution for everyone.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 06:46:PM
Please help by reporting this to facebook.

I am aware that members of the red forum have commented on this and one or two of those individuals may still be members here? The comments were threatening and offensive.

https://www.facebook.com/SpottedInIpswich/posts/223005154567387

JH was one of these individuals.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 08:52:PM
I'm not trying to be mean to any of Simon's family members or Stephanie. But do you all think that a public forum is the appropriate place to discuss these things? I wonder would it be better for you all to forget all your differences and just privately contact oneanother to arrange things decently and in order?

X
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 08:53:PM
This is a much better way to communicate - hope you're all able come to a satisfactory solution for everyone.

X
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 08:56:PM
Stephanie

I have pm you

X
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 08:57:PM
Click on the member's name and you will then see a profile.  One of the options there is "send PM".  Click on that and a box will appear.  Type your message there and click "send".

X
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 01, 2014, 09:05:PM
Please help by reporting this to facebook.

I am aware that members of the red forum have commented on this and one or two of those individuals may still be members here? The comments were threatening and offensive.

https://www.facebook.com/SpottedInIpswich/posts/223005154567387

JH was one of these individuals.

Thank you. It appears this page has now been removed. I am aware that KD and JH had commented and possibly other trolls from the other forum.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 02, 2014, 12:57:PM
This also need reporting http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/simon-hall-dead/

I believe BM is inciting others and this is causing much grief and distress.

Sadly Simon was guilty but it appears some people have their own agendas and appear to be trying to save face.

If he were innocent I would be shouting it from the roof tops, as I did when I believed him to be so.

This isn't far on a lot of people including Mrs Albert and her family. For the love of god stop the hate and personal agendas.

This is still stirring up a hornets nest and is escalating out of control.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 02, 2014, 01:19:PM
This is now a 'death in custody' regardless of Simon's status.

Imagine if you accidentally ran someone over in your car or one of your loved ones did. They could face a 5 year prison sentence for manslaughter. How would you feel if your loved one was found dead because he hadn't been properly cared for by the prison authorities?

I vow to fight this all the way I also vow to have internet trolls and others brought to justice. You have got away with your crimes for far too long.

I fear none of you, your venom is merely a projection of how you feel about yourselves.



Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 02, 2014, 01:23:PM
In the meantime I would like to express my gratitude to members of this forum and others, you all know who you are, for your help and genuine support in this difficult time, from us both.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on March 06, 2014, 02:36:PM


There has now been a serious breach of the forum truce by the red forum.  The thread "Simply Lugg" has been bumped and it contains numerous threads attacking our members.  There are seriously defamatory posts there. The entire thread should have been removed at the time of the implementation of the terms of the forum truce when numerous threads were removed from both forums.  This was overlooked as the offending thread had been dormant for some time.  However, it now needs to be removed.  Those in control at the red forum know exactly the reasons for this.

 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 06, 2014, 03:49:PM

There has now been a serious breach of the forum truce by the red forum.  The thread "Simply Lugg" has been bumped and it contains numerous threads attacking our members.  There are seriously defamatory posts there. The entire thread should have been removed at the time of the implementation of the terms of the forum truce when numerous threads were removed from both forums.  This was overlooked as the offending thread had been dormant for some time.  However, it now needs to be removed.  Those in control at the red forum know exactly the reasons for this.

 
You will never reform them ngb. A sow will return to its wallowing in the mire and the dog will return to lick up its own vomit. That proverb has been proved time and aqgain. You cannot change the natures of either of the animals mentioned because it is simply part of their nature. Leave them to themselves as I did long ago. It says more about them than it does about us.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on March 06, 2014, 03:58:PM

There has now been a serious breach of the forum truce by the red forum.  The thread "Simply Lugg" has been bumped and it contains numerous threads attacking our members.  There are seriously defamatory posts there. The entire thread should have been removed at the time of the implementation of the terms of the forum truce when numerous threads were removed from both forums.  This was overlooked as the offending thread had been dormant for some time.  However, it now needs to be removed.  Those in control at the red forum know exactly the reasons for this.

 

This is a shame Neil.  I hope the owner/admin will see reason and remove the offending thread.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 06, 2014, 04:00:PM
This is a shame Neil.  I hope the owner/admin will see reason and remove the offending thread.
Haven't seen it and never will as I may end up receiving some bad air from the revolting peasants.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on March 06, 2014, 04:52:PM
This is a shame Neil.  I hope the owner/admin will see reason and remove the offending thread.

So far they have not seen reason Roch.  The only response has been from two members there mocking my objection to the thread bumped.  If Tim Invictus takes the trouble to read just the last two pages of that lengthy thread he will see how it clearly breaches the forum truce.  If this thread is not now removed proportionate action will be taken here.  That will not involve reposting all of the threads removed as part of the forum truce, but it will involve reposting one of the threads devoted to Tim Invictus.  If there is then retaliation to that further threads will be reinstated, again in a proportionate way.  There will also be legal action, which those at the centre of the red forum understand.  I will not spell it out here.

It is not too late for sense to prevail.  I urge the administrator of the red forum to remove the "Simply Lugg" thread.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on March 06, 2014, 05:43:PM
After last week, I thought things had moved on - I don't get it!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 06, 2014, 07:46:PM
After last week, I thought things had moved on - I don't get it!
I've just told you why. Or am I counted as the mad professor here?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Neil on March 06, 2014, 07:57:PM

There has now been a serious breach of the forum truce by the red forum.  The thread "Simply Lugg" has been bumped and it contains numerous threads attacking our members.  There are seriously defamatory posts there. The entire thread should have been removed at the time of the implementation of the terms of the forum truce when numerous threads were removed from both forums.  This was overlooked as the offending thread had been dormant for some time.  However, it now needs to be removed.  Those in control at the red forum know exactly the reasons for this.

 
Interesting to note who was responsible for starting the thread! Although in fairness, I've not read any of it.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on March 06, 2014, 08:45:PM
Dissapointing that the thread was bumped. Also dissapointing that the first few posts have been removed so it now looks like the thread was started by me. But the "Simply Lugg" thread wasn't one of mine which I hope people keep in mind and remember.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on March 06, 2014, 09:05:PM
I've just told you why. Or am I counted as the mad professor here?

Grahame I'm sure Caroline is being supportive.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on March 06, 2014, 09:08:PM
Dissapointing that the thread was bumped. Also dissapointing that the first few posts have been removed so it now looks like the thread was started by me. But the "Simply Lugg" thread wasn't one of mine which I hope people keep in mind and remember.

I think we all know who the two worst offenders are. What people struggle to understand is their motivation and hatred.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Neil on March 06, 2014, 10:31:PM
Dissapointing that the thread was bumped. Also dissapointing that the first few posts have been removed so it now looks like the thread was started by me. But the "Simply Lugg" thread wasn't one of mine which I hope people keep in mind and remember.
Sorry Mat, just teasing! We all know you're a good bloke.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: guest154 on March 06, 2014, 10:58:PM
 :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Stephanie on March 07, 2014, 12:04:AM
I've heard Tim Invictus is wanting a war? I'm almost certain when his war begins he will regret ever joining these forums. Must admit though I am looking forward to seeing a mug shot of him.  :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 07, 2014, 08:16:AM
Grahame I'm sure Caroline is being supportive.
I know she is Roch. I think you may have misunderstood my post? It was in no way directed against her. Neither was I offended in any way.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 07, 2014, 08:17:AM
Sorry Mat, just teasing! We all know you're a good bloke.
Mat is an established member here now and can be trusted in my humble opinion. :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 07, 2014, 08:19:AM
I've heard Tim Invictus is wanting a war? I'm almost certain when his war begins he will regret ever joining these forums. Must admit though I am looking forward to seeing a mug shot of him.  :)
He's just a silly little man who breeds dogs. I never think of him nowadays. :P
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on March 07, 2014, 08:57:AM
Morning Grahame

Mat is a nice guy and a trusted member of this forum :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on March 07, 2014, 11:18:AM

Despite giving a full opportunity to the owner of the red forum to enforce the agreed terms of the truce, he has failed to remove the offending posts/thread and has given Tim Invictus a free hand to post infantile abuse and taunts.  The truce has therefore been broken.  I have waited until today before taking the action which is now necessary.  Further threads will be restored here, step by step.  In addition legal action will follow, both civil and criminal.

This situation was totally avoidable and it is a pity that the work of members of both forums to negotiate a truce has now foundered.  Andrea and Joanne on the red forum in particular did their best and deserve credit for that.

   
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Roch on March 07, 2014, 11:23:AM
Pity it's come to this Neil.  Have to agree that this was avoidable.  If only a few individuals would stop being so egocentric, hell bent on spoiling things for everyone else. 

The personal insults involved when the forums degenerate can become very hurtful.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on March 07, 2014, 12:04:PM
Pity it's come to this Neil.  Have to agree that this was avoidable.  If only a few individuals would stop being so egocentric, hell bent on spoiling things for everyone else. 

The personal insults involved when the forums degenerate can become very hurtful.

I agree with you Roch.  I am not surprised that Tim xxxx would attempt to breach the truce but I am surprised that John xxxx would not take the action necessary to deal with the breach.  We removed every thread relating to him at his request and he appeared to welcome the truce.  I can only assume that for some reason he has decided the truce no longer suits him.  So be it.

It is of course not too late for him to reconsider the position and do what is necessary to restore the truce.

 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: Caroline on March 07, 2014, 12:16:PM
It's sad that 'just a few' red members are intent on spoiling things for the majority. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: grahameb on March 07, 2014, 01:25:PM
Whilst I can't agree with reciprocating as this will inevitable drag us down to their level. I neverthethess will continue to support the admin and mods on this forum. Thank you Andrea and Joanne for you brave efforts. But I'm afraid a leopard cannot change its spots. Very sad :(
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: ngb1066 on March 07, 2014, 02:26:PM
Whilst I can't agree with reciprocating as this will inevitable drag us down to their level. I neverthethess will continue to support the admin and mods on this forum. Thank you Andrea and Joanne for you brave efforts. But I'm afraid a leopard cannot change its spots. Very sad :(

We will not allow ourselves to be dragged down to their level.  Ours is a proportionate response, as will be the further threads to be reinstated. It is still possible for common sense to prevail and the truce to be reinstated.

 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on March 07, 2014, 02:52:PM
Hi Grahame I am totally sad that the forum truce seems to have broken down and Tim xxxx is making dreadful remarks to ngb.  When I joined the forum in 2012 I was abused badly by some members of the Red forum for no reason at all I have never been abusive to anyone on that forum even now I seem to irritate a certain poster who cannot help but try and ridicule me why I don't know.  What has caused all this to start again I remember way back when it was posted on the Red that Susan Ingham was under investigation John Lxxx and Tim xxxx were very helpful to me and had the post removed.  I had forgotten all about the racist remarks which I have never been able to understand and I wish we could go back to what the forums were like before all this nonsense started up again we are both MOJ forms and just wish to discuss our individual cases. The Red forum has some very decent posters as do the Blue and it is always going to be the case that remarks are made that upset individuals.  The best way is to ignore minor silly remarks and let us all get on with our own business and live in harmony that is what the majority want.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: tyler on March 07, 2014, 03:35:PM
?? I cannot see any detrimental posts/threads on the red forum?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: susan on March 07, 2014, 03:41:PM
Hello tyler  think. I hope that Mr. Moderator has removed then I do hope so the forums were running so well and it is not necessary for posters on either Red or Blue to be abusive it is better if we all live in harmony.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT
Post by: tyler on March 07, 2014, 03:45:PM
Hi Susan. Yes it appears they have all been wiped which is good news for both forums. x
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Post by: susan on March 07, 2014, 03:46:PM
tyler xxxxxx
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Post by: ngb1066 on March 07, 2014, 04:01:PM
?? I cannot see any detrimental posts/threads on the red forum?

I think common sense may have prevailed as the Jeremy Bamber forum board on the red forum was temporarily taken down, then individual threads started to reappear.  The particular offending thread has not been restored.  If that remains the position I will remove the Tim xxxx thread today.

 
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Post by: ngb1066 on March 07, 2014, 04:54:PM
The Tim xxxx thread has now been removed.

Posts here have also been edited to delete names. 
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Post by: grahameb on March 07, 2014, 05:31:PM
May I reitterate that I fully support all the administrators and moderators of this great forum. I am 100% behind you all. Thank you for defending me and my family. :)
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Post by: maggie on March 07, 2014, 05:46:PM
May I reitterate that I fully support all the administrators and moderators of this great forum. I am 100% behind you all. Thank you for defending me and my family. :)
Hi Grahame you've had far more than your fair share of abuse from red and you're a valued member of this forum. Hope you're recovering well from your op.  :)
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Post by: ngb1066 on May 08, 2014, 04:59:PM


A complaint was made to the moderators here by a member who is also a member of the red forum.  The complaint related to the use of names of members of the red forum in two posts.  In compliance with the terms agreed I have edited the posts.  However, as pointed out in Off Topic there has been a serious breach of the terms of the truce by one member of the red forum in particular.  In response to that a thread dealing with that individual has been restored.  It will be removed as soon as the offending posts on the red forum are removed.  I hope that common sense will prevail.

 
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Post by: grahameb on May 08, 2014, 06:32:PM

A complaint was made to the moderators here by a member who is also a member of the red forum.  The complaint related to the use of names of members of the red forum in two posts.  In compliance with the terms agreed I have edited the posts.  However, as pointed out in Off Topic there has been a serious breach of the terms of the truce by one member of the red forum in particular.  In response to that a thread dealing with that individual has been restored.  It will be removed as soon as the offending posts on the red forum are removed.  I hope that common sense will prevail.

 
Sorry I was hoping to stay out of this as I don't really care about the rantings of an habitual abuser. But I must object to the suggestion that just because a certain member's name was posted that this somehow justified the abuse I received in return. The correct procedure would have been to send a pm or email to the admin team here first.
I think we have a serious problem when the administrators try to justify their abusive member's antics.
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Post by: ngb1066 on May 08, 2014, 06:37:PM
Sorry I was hoping to stay out of this as I don't really care about the rantings of an habitual abuser. But I must object to the suggestion that just because a certain member's name was posted that this somehow justified the abuse I received in return. The correct procedure would have been to send a pm or email to the admin team here first.
I think we have a serious problem when the administrators try to justify their abusive member's antics.

There was no justification for the attacks on you. 

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Post by: ngb1066 on May 09, 2014, 12:23:PM
There was no justification for the attacks on you.


Common sense has now prevailed.  The truce continues.  Please all avoid naming members of the red forum or posting attacks on them.



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Post by: ngb1066 on May 09, 2014, 12:57:PM

Common sense has now prevailed.  The truce continues.  Please all avoid naming members of the red forum or posting attacks on them.

I spoke too soon.  Unfortunately xxxx has defied [the forum owner] and defamed me again so the thread has been restored.  It will be removed as soon as the offending post is removed.

Edit: the owner of the red forum is upholding the truce terms so once again we are back on track.
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Post by: ngb1066 on May 09, 2014, 02:39:PM

xxxx cannot stop himself.  He continues to defy the owner of the red forum and has made yet another libellous post.  His thread has been reinstated, but once again will be removed when the offending post has been removed.

This has become really tedious.

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Post by: Caroline on May 10, 2014, 01:24:PM
Can I just point out something to scipio_usmc from the Red Forum - your account here was approved by me on February 16, 2014, 03:29:AM. Perhaps the confirmation email was delivered to your spam folder? No one here is/was stopping you from posting - we aren't afraid to debate with anyone. You'll be welcome should you choose to post here.
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Post by: Caroline on May 10, 2014, 09:40:PM
M's HG has it slightly wrong, I'm not calling for scipio_usmc to post here, simply straightening out his assumption that his membership here was never approved. It was on February 16, 2014, 03:29:AM. He is welcome to post here if he so desires.
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Post by: Caroline on June 06, 2014, 01:09:AM
The UK Justice Forum Thread hasn't been removed, it has simply been retired (it still exists) because it served it's purpose, I don't think anyone is in any doubt about that!  ;)
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Post by: Caroline on September 11, 2014, 05:59:PM
Not sure what is going on but the Red Forum seem to be having a bit of a field day (insult wise) and someone has posted the real names of two of our members. Both myself and NGB have requested that posts in violation, be removed - but either there is a communication breakdown or there is some reluctance to remove them??
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Post by: guest154 on September 11, 2014, 06:37:PM
I haven't been on there for a couple days. I shall log on now and if I still mod the Bamber section I shall remove anything that is personal.
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Post by: JackiePreece on September 11, 2014, 07:15:PM
Not sure what is going on but the Red Forum seem to be having a bit of a field day (insult wise) and someone has posted the real names of two of our members. Both myself and NGB have requested that posts in violation, be removed - but either there is a communication breakdown or there is some reluctance to remove them??

That's terrible having your real name splashed all over the web

It's a bit like fake twitter accounts being set up to cause trouble for JB s loyalist supporters
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Post by: guest154 on September 11, 2014, 08:11:PM
That's terrible having your real name splashed all over the web

It's a bit like fake twitter accounts being set up to cause trouble for JB s loyalist supporters

The irony!
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Post by: Caroline on September 11, 2014, 08:17:PM
That's terrible having your real name splashed all over the web

It's a bit like fake twitter accounts being set up to cause trouble for JB s loyalist supporters

I never know whether you're having go or simply passing comment but I will assume it's simply the latter.
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Post by: Caroline on September 11, 2014, 08:19:PM
I haven't been on there for a couple days. I shall log on now and if I still mod the Bamber section I shall remove anything that is personal.

Most of the posts have now been removed nd I am sure the rest will follow.
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Post by: guest154 on September 11, 2014, 08:21:PM
Most of the posts have now been removed nd I am sure the rest will follow.

I did it .  ;D
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Post by: Caroline on September 11, 2014, 08:27:PM
I did it .  ;D

Thanks - there is another one, I'll PM you the link :)
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Post by: guest154 on September 11, 2014, 08:28:PM
Thanks - there is another one, I'll PM you the link :)

no problem and okay. :)
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Post by: Jan on September 11, 2014, 09:07:PM
are posters from here aware their names have been revealed?

Glad you have got on to it quickly.

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Post by: Caroline on September 11, 2014, 10:26:PM
are posters from here aware their names have been revealed?

Glad you have got on to it quickly.

Yes or at least one certainly is.

Thanks Jansus :)
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Post by: No-Bits on September 11, 2014, 11:24:PM
It's all very crazy.  ???
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Post by: Caroline on September 12, 2014, 10:12:AM
HG - you're not moderating either board (although you certainly try to orchestrate) and no post was removed because of the word 'liar'.
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Post by: Caroline on September 12, 2014, 01:33:PM
HG, I have no idea what your first paragraph was rambling on about so I'll leave that there  ::) ::)

As for your second, you aren't a mod and as such, aren't party to what goes on! So you won't know that there is cross board communication for the very purpose of addressing violation issues.  Not that it's any of your business but I asked Mat to remove the post NOT for the actual post but for the quote it contained - Mat was happy to help and actually 'offered' to intervene. I do hope that now meets with your approval  ::) ::)
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Post by: Caroline on September 12, 2014, 02:47:PM
Yeah of course you know why the posts were removed  ::) ::) ::)

It's up to John who he has as moderators, it's his board. But I can see why you've put yourself forward and it's certainly NOT to improve cross board relationships.
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Post by: guest154 on September 12, 2014, 03:35:PM
HG - I deleted the post because of the quote it contained. There was a lot to edit out and removed - I can't spend hours editing quotes out of posts. The actual post was an insult anyone so I just removed the whole thing.
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Post by: ngb1066 on September 12, 2014, 03:40:PM
There have been consistent and serious breaches of the forum truce over the last couple of weeks.  One member of the red forum is the major culprit, spewing hatred and bile.  She is egged on by others.  She has recently named three members here, the latest being Patti and Lookout. 

The owner of the red forum was allowed to rejoin as a member here, in order to facilitate communication about problems arising from the forum truce.  Numerous posts here have been removed or edited here, most before any complaint was received.  Whenever a post here has been complained about action has been taken.  Initially the red forum responded in a similar way to complaints by us.  However in the past two weeks four urgent messages were sent to the owner of the red forum complaining about the serious breaches of the truce.  No action was taken and no acknowledgement was received.  It was only when Caroline posted here yesterday that Mat took action to remove some posts.  However, there remain there several posts which are offensive and in some cases defamatory.  I urge that these should be removed without further delay.  In addition the worst offender has made clear that she has comtempt for the forum truce and will continue to ignore its terms.

If the forum truce is to continue it must be on a reciprocal basis.  I urge those who are members of both forums to use their influence to ensure that the terms of the truce are honoured there.

 
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Post by: Caroline on September 12, 2014, 03:40:PM
HG - I deleted the post because of the quote it contained. There was a lot to edit out and removed - I can't spend hours editing quotes out of posts. The actual post was an insult anyone so I just removed the whole thing.

Thanks Mat  :)
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Post by: Caroline on September 12, 2014, 03:54:PM
There have been consistent and serious breaches of the forum truce over the last couple of weeks.  One member of the red forum is the major culprit, spewing hatred and bile.  She is egged on by others.  She has recently named three members here, the latest being Patti and Lookout. 

The owner of the red forum was allowed to rejoin as a member here, in order to facilitate communication about problems arising from the forum truce.  Numerous posts here have been removed or edited here, most before any complaint was received.  Whenever a post here has been complained about action has been taken.  Initially the red forum responded in a similar way to complaints by us.  However in the past two weeks four urgent messages were sent to the owner of the red forum complaining about the serious breaches of the truce.  No action was taken and no acknowledgement was received.  It was only when Caroline posted here yesterday that Mat took action to remove some posts.  However, there remain there several posts which are offensive and in some cases defamatory.  I urge that these should be removed without further delay.  In addition the worst offender has made clear that she has comtempt for the forum truce and will continue to ignore its terms.

If the forum truce is to continue it must be on a reciprocal basis.  I urge those who are members of both forums to use their influence to ensure that the terms of the truce are honoured there.

Excellent post NGB, I agree 100%