Jeremy Bamber Forum
OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other high profile cases => Topic started by: Stephanie on January 19, 2017, 02:06:PM
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I do not believe Barry George is innocent. I believe him to be personality disordered and an extremely dangerous individual and should be re-tried under the Double Jeopardy Law.
The smoke and mirrors campaign his sister is running, is in my opinion, in order to cover his guilt - whether she is aware of his guilt or not.
Further, the hitman story has been made up in order to keep the heat off Barry George; whether knowingly or unknowingly.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491452/Dando-murder-I-know-Barry-George-killed-friend-Jill.html
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his autistic that his diagnosis that doesnt guilt in a court of law well maybe in nazi germany but not here thankfuly.
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"Committed Christian, campaigner for justice, wife, and mother of three. Michelle campaigned for eight years for the release of her disabled brother, Barry George, after he was wrongly convicted in 2001, for the high profile murder of BBC television presenter, Jill Dando. Mr George was acquitted in 2007 and sent for re-trial in 2008. He was found not guilty, by unanimous jury verdict on 1st August 2008. http://fittedin.org/fittedin/?page_id=684
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Guess who wrote a book about Barry George's alleged MOJ case?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491452/Dando-murder-I-know-Barry-George-killed-friend-Jill.html
exept jill dando wasnt a friend of nick ross hes telling a complete lie there.
i wouldent say opion of nick ross counted as evdence anyway.
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It's blatantly obvious Barry George was not compensated because there are still doubts over his guilt.
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Here's a link to the 'hitman' story http://shirleymckie.myfastforum.org/index.php?component=content&postid=17823
I notice nugnug has commented on that forum also? Why does Nugnug follow so many of these cases I wonder? A hobby perhaps?
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Do any members know anything about the fibre evidence in the George case? https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/01/jilldando.ukcrime2
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Here he is projecting again - 'a mockery of justice' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31578422
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And if Barry George is living in EXILE as he claims, was he barred from living in the UK?
And if he were innocent why would he feel the need to hide and move back to Ireland? What difference would compensation make to him if he were to move back to the UK. How would compensation stop him from being recognise?
Is his sister protecting the public from Barry George?
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Barry George supporters like to play down his personality disorders.. 'antisocial, histrionic, narcissistic and possibly paranoid,
"Barry Michael George (born 15 April 1960, also known as Barry Bulsara)
George began impersonating famous figures in the early eighties. He appeared in a local newspaper claiming to be the winner of the British Karate Championship. He gave his name as 'Paul Gadd' and his occupation as 'a singer with the band Xanadu and a session musician with the Electric Light Orchestra'. He was exposed as a fraud by another newspaper. He then assumed the identity of the cousin of Electric Light Orchestra singer Jeff Lynne.[6] In 1980, George failed in his attempt to join the Metropolitan Police. Shortly after, he posed as a policeman, having obtained false warrant cards. For this he was arrested and prosecuted. In May 1980,[7] he appeared in court clad in glam rock clothing and untruthfully stated his name to be Paul Gadd, a revival of his Gary Glitter fixation[13] and the name under which he was charged. At Kingston Magistrates' Court he was convicted and fined £25.[8] George was charged and in June 1981,[7] acquitted of indecent assault against one woman, and convicted of indecent assault against another woman, for which he received a three-month sentence, suspended[14] for two years.[6]
He assumed the identity of 'Steve Majors' and claimed to be a stuntman; he once injured himself attempting to jump over four double-decker buses on roller skates.[6] In March 1983 George was convicted at the Old Bailey under the pseudonym of 'Steve Majors' for the February 1982 attempted rape of a woman in Acton,[7] for which he served 18 months of a 33-month sentence.[6][14] On 10 January 1983,[7] as was revealed after his arrest for the Dando murder, George had been found in the grounds of Kensington Palace, at that time the home of Prince Charles and Diana, Princess of Wales. He had been discovered hiding in the grounds wearing a balaclava and carrying 50 feet of rope, a 12 inch hunting knife,[6] and in possession of a poem he had written to Prince Charles.[11]
On 2 May 1989 at Fulham register office, George married a 35-year-old Japanese student, Itsuko Toide, in what Toide described as a marriage "of convenience – but nonetheless violent and terrifying."[6][7][15] After four months she reported to the police that he assaulted her. On 29 October 1989, George was arrested and charged, but the case was dropped and did not go to court;[7] the marriage ended in April 1990.[14][8] Toide moved back to Japan.[6]
In April 1990, and again in January 1992, George was arrested and charged with indecent assault. Neither case went to court.[7]
Following the death of Freddie Mercury, George assumed the name of Barry Bulsara (Mercury's real surname) and claimed to be the singer's cousin. He would visit Mercury's home and approach female fans; this happened so often that the Queen International Fan Club called the police to report George.[6]
Before his trial, George was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.[16] Prosecution psychologists studying George since his arrest for the Dando murder claimed that he was suffering from several different personality disorders: antisocial, histrionic, narcissistic and possibly paranoid,[7] as well as somatization and factitious disorders and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.[17] He was said to have an IQ of 75 and suffer from epilepsy.[13] George has also been likened to a "lone obsessive, Walter Mitty-type figure" for his desire to impersonate famous figures.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_George
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Seems to have been several stories in the media regarding different theories
Crime kingpin theory
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dandos-murderer-revealed-crimewatch-5443440
VIP paedophiles
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490169/Dando-alarm-paedophile-ring-BBC
https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2015/04/05/the-curious-case-of-jill-dando-mark-williams-thomas-britains-vip-paedophile-ring-and-the-missing-murder-theory/
Personally, I'm not in to 'conspiracy theories' :))
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And if Barry George is living in EXILE as he claims, was he barred from living in the UK?
And if he were innocent why would he feel the need to hide and move back to Ireland? What difference would compensation make to him if he were to move back to the UK. How would compensation stop him from being recognise?
Is his sister protecting the public from Barry George?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-135212/My-brother-didnt-kill-Jill.html
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i cant see how would face tetrial i cant see the slightest thing that could be considred evdence.
steph belive it or not a medicall diagnosses of mental islness is not consired evdence in a brittish court.
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Do any members know anything about the fibre evidence in the George case? https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/01/jilldando.ukcrime2
yes i know it was rejected be a jury unanumosly so couldent possbly be used to try him agian.
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Seems to have been several stories in the media regarding different theories
Crime kingpin theory
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dandos-murderer-revealed-crimewatch-5443440
VIP paedophiles
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490169/Dando-alarm-paedophile-ring-BBC
https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2015/04/05/the-curious-case-of-jill-dando-mark-williams-thomas-britains-vip-paedophile-ring-and-the-missing-murder-theory/
Personally, I'm not in to 'conspiracy theories' :))
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According to his sister, she said ' he wanted to be special and have lots of friends
Could this be why he murdered do you think? Or are these her projections?
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According to his sister, she said ' he wanted to be special and have lots of friends
Could this be why he murdered do you think? Or are these her projections?
I never really followed the case much Steph. I can remember the media portraying him as some kind of obsessed loner. I can remember the Serb theory primarily because I had followed media coverage of the wars in the Balkans throughout the 90's. Then I can remember reading about the VIP paedophile / Savill theory online.
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i rember that barry geordge was interviewed and rejected as a suspect untill 2 days before the investigating was going to be taken off the case then suddenly he became a credible suspect funnt that.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n7rgj
I believe a public enquiry would lead to the re arrest of Barry George.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jill-dando-secret-files-revealed-5437428
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well hes sister the one calling for one if you belive that why dont you call for one as well.
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When George's conviction was over turned he became friends with Sion Jenkins (Another case highlighted in the book No Smoke by Sandra Lean)
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/59586/Jenkins-Why-Barry-George-is-my-friend
Here is a body language analysis of an interview between Trevor McDonald and Mr Jenkins.
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeU-8LHzRhA
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGoEy4HmeeM
I've referred to Jeremy Bamber's interview with Eric Allison where his speech patterns are not dissimilar to Jenkins.
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Here is a body language analysis of an interview between Trevor McDonald and Mr Jenkins.
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeU-8LHzRhA
Off topic but a possible relevance to Jeremy Bamber, CJB talks about the number 3 and links it to lying.
During Bamber's interview with the police he suggests he tries Nevill telephone number 3 times. He states, once twice three times..
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I think Nick Ross's point in #1 that Jill went to her home that day by pure chance telling. It suggests to me that Barry George had been hanging around her home with a gun for days in the off-chance that he would see her and on this occasion he got lucky.
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I think Nick Ross's point in #1 that Jill went to her home that day by pure chance telling. It suggests to me that Barry George had been hanging around her home with a gun for days in the off-chance that he would see her and on this occasion he got lucky.
it suggests she was lured there.
nick ross has a few qustions to anser in this case like why lied about dando being his friend and why a letter to the a court.
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I think Nick Ross's point in #1 that Jill went to her home that day by pure chance telling. It suggests to me that Barry George had been hanging around her home with a gun for days in the off-chance that he would see her and on this occasion he got lucky.
I'm certain he will be re-tried Steve. Does anyone know if he's been in trouble with the police since his release. All we hear about is his sister but nothing about Barry George.
And I can't remember when and where it was suggested he should be kept in a secure unit.
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it suggests she was lured there.
nick ross has a few qustions to anser in this case like why lied about dando being his friend and why a letter to the a court.
Well she was a work colleague so I assume a friend. She had gone to Gowan Avenue to pick up some belongings so I don't see how she was lured there.
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he dident even know her so the my friend jill is a bit weird to say the least
her agent and all her friends thought it was rather odd.
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Sion Jenkins. He's another one who got his conviction overturned. After a 9 year battle and initial failed appeal.
The juries didn't even find him innocent after a re trial. No one else has been arrested for the murder & he didn't get compensation. Which is the same as Barry George.
Bamber would have been looking for a Barry George/Sion Jenkins scenario in 1986. Where after around a decade of banging on the door, he would have found a way to get released from a high profile conviction. He would have only been in his mid 30's. If he didn't get compensation he could go after his inheritance.
But there is too much evidence against Bamber, as stated by the 2002 appeal judges. This has not deterred Bamber who says he believes he 'will win this'.
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he dident even know her so the my friend jill is a bit weird to say the least
her agent and all her friends thought it was rather odd.
Seeing as you have an opinion on everything I post, do you think Billy Middleton got away with murder?
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Seeing as you have an opinion on everything I post, do you think Billy Middleton got away with murder?
I feel so sorry for Kareen Steph.
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Sion Jenkins. He's another one who got his conviction overturned. After a 9 year battle and initial failed appeal.
The juries didn't even find him innocent after a re trial. No one else has been arrested for the murder. & he didn't get compensation. Which is similar to George.
Bamber would have been looking for a Barry George/Sion Jenkins result in 1986. Where after around a decade he would have found a way to get released. But there is too much evidence against him.
thats just becouse the goverment dont want to pay compansation plane and simple parting up with cash isnt somthing they want to do.
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thats just becouse the goverment dont want to pay compansation plane and simple parting up with cash isnt somthing they want to do.
It's got nothing to do with the Government not wanting to pay out and everything to do with the fact that neither men are yet to prove they are innocent.
Maybe you should listen to Michelle Diskin/Bates radio interview again; even she accepts this fact.
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thats just becouse the goverment dont want to pay compansation plane and simple parting up with cash isnt somthing they want to do.
I'll ask again, as it's clear you are hounding me!
Seeing as you have an opinion on everything I post, do you think Billy Middleton got away with murder?
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It's got nothing to do with the Government not wanting to pay out and everything to do with the fact that neither men are yet to prove they are innocent.
Maybe you should listen to Michelle Diskin/Bates radio interview again; even she accepts this fact.
erm its got everything to do with the goverment the changed the law.
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I feel so sorry for Kareen Steph.
You should have a read at statementanalysis.com Justice
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You should have a read at statementanalysis.com Justice
Very interesting, will have a good read of this.
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Very interesting, will have a good read of this.
http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/05/top-10-secrets-of-effective-liars.html?m=1
This is worth a read as well.
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http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/05/top-10-secrets-of-effective-liars.html?m=1
This is worth a read as well.
Just downloaded part of the book, 10 easy ways to spot someone is lying. Look at this
Today we would look to see if a person is constantly licking his lips or frequently swallowing to determine if he has a dry mouth. Ha ha I got him right.
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Just downloaded part of the book, 10 easy ways to spot someone is lying. Look at this
Today we would look to see if a person is constantly licking his lips or frequently swallowing to determine if he has a dry mouth. Ha ha I got him right.
Billy Middleton ;D
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I do not believe Barry George is innocent. I believe him to be personality disordered and an extremely dangerous individual and should be re-tried under the Double Jeopardy Law.
The smoke and mirrors campaign his sister is running, is in my opinion, in order to cover his guilt - whether she is aware of his guilt or not.
Further, the hitman story has been made up in order to keep the heat off Barry George; whether knowingly or unknowingly.
There is no evidence to suggest that Barry George murdered Jill Dando. The evidence used to convict him has long since been discredited.
Any reasonable person looking at the case against Barry George would quickly discern that the whole charade followed an all too familiar pattern. The police were struggling and had no leads and suddenly arrested a local "loner" who had little support and many vulnerabilities.
After the arrest and charge Barry George was vilified in the media helped along with leaks from the police.
Probably the most egregious of these "stories" appeared in the Sun and the News of the World. Based on leaks from the police both papers claimed that Barry George had an "obsession" with Jill Dando. They supported their dubious story with claims that George had hoarded pictures and articles about Jill Dando. This was one amongst many lies and half truths told about Barry George by corrupt police officers, using their equally corrupt and morally compromised proxies at the Sun and News of the World.
George won substantial but undisclosed damages from both newspapers after suing for libel.
The truth of the picture and article hoarding story shows both the police and certain media organisations are willing to do and say anything to get a conviction. George had hoarded thousands of old newspapers and magazines. Very few of them featured articles about Jill Dando and those that did were not displayed in any fashion.
Had anyone in the public eye been murdered there would have been articles about them in George's
hoard. The lies and fabrications told about George in the build up to the trial undoubtedly poisoned the public against him and the trial conducted against this background was never going to be fair. The evidence presented at trial was weak and considered so by informed observers. The poisonous atmosphere probably played a greater role in the conviction than the the evidence presented.
Anyone paying attention to the wider issue of police corruption and their enablers in the media may have also spotted that the Sun and News of the World crop up with remarkable regularity whenever the dissemination of lies and false stories would be helpful in gaining a conviction.
As an aside, the treatment dished out to Chris Jeffries when he was arrested for the murder of Joanne Yeates looked very much like the usual script. The miscalculation made by the police in this case was in underestimating the support he had from a wide range of colleagues and friends. It is worth wondering whether the police would have stopped looking for further suspects had the resistance not been so great.
That anyone can look at the Barry George case and imagine that it is about a guilty man "getting off" is simply not paying attention. There is a great big light being shone on police and media corruption and collusion. This collusion is in order to convict innocent people. To not see this is to be wilfully blind.
Instead of attacking Barry George's sister it would be more intellectually honest to question the role played by certain police officers and their stooges at the Sun et al.
Accusing his sister of "covering his guilt" is particularly loathsome especially seeing as you appear to base these slurs on nothing more than "belief".
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I was just coming to the civil claim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7723401/Barry-George-wins-damages-over-claim-he-was-obsessed-with-Cheryl-Cole.html
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There is no evidence to suggest that Barry George murdered Jill Dando. The evidence used to convict him has long since been discredited.
Any reasonable person looking at the case against Barry George would quickly discern that the whole charade followed an all too familiar pattern. The police were struggling and had no leads and suddenly arrested a local "loner" who had little support and many vulnerabilities.
After the arrest and charge Barry George was vilified in the media helped along with leaks from the police.
Probably the most egregious of these "stories" appeared in the Sun and the News of the World. Based on leaks from the police both papers claimed that Barry George had an "obsession" with Jill Dando. They supported their dubious story with claims that George had hoarded pictures and articles about Jill Dando. This was one amongst many lies and half truths told about Barry George by corrupt police officers, using their equally corrupt and morally compromised proxies at the Sun and News of the World.
George won substantial but undisclosed damages from both newspapers after suing for libel.
The truth of the picture and article hoarding story shows both the police and certain media organisations are willing to do and say anything to get a conviction. George had hoarded thousands of old newspapers and magazines. Very few of them featured articles about Jill Dando and those that did were not displayed in any fashion.
Had anyone in the public eye been murdered there would have been articles about them in George's
hoard. The lies and fabrications told about George in the build up to the trial undoubtedly poisoned the public against him and the trial conducted against this background was never going to be fair. The evidence presented at trial was weak and considered so by informed observers. The poisonous atmosphere probably played a greater role in the conviction than the the evidence presented.
Anyone paying attention to the wider issue of police corruption and their enablers in the media may have also spotted that the Sun and News of the World crop up with remarkable regularity whenever the dissemination of lies and false stories would be helpful in gaining a conviction.
As an aside, the treatment dished out to Chris Jeffries when he was arrested for the murder of Joanne Yeates looked very much like the usual script. The miscalculation made by the police in this case was in underestimating the support he had from a wide range of colleagues and friends. It is worth wondering whether the police would have stopped looking for further suspects had the resistance not been so great.
That anyone can look at the Barry George case and imagine that it is about a guilty man "getting off" is simply not paying attention. There is a great big light being shone on police and media corruption and collusion. This collusion is in order to convict innocent people. To not see this is to be wilfully blind.
Instead of attacking Barry George's sister it would be more intellectually honest to question the role played by certain police officers and their stooges at the Sun et al.
Accusing his sister of "covering his guilt" is particularly loathsome especially seeing as you appear to base these slurs on nothing more than "belief".
What newspapers?
Maybe you can back up your claims Gringo.
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"Risk remains say police despite 2008 acquittal
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/29/barry-george-jill-dando
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What newspapers?
Maybe you can back up your claims Gringo.
A quick search using the terms "Barry george sun libel" will give you plenty to back up my "claims". I am surprised that you need help to back up what you call claims. It is established fact that Barry George has won "substantial damages" from News Group Newspapers, publishers of the Sun and News of the World, for libel.
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A quick search using the terms "Barry george sun libel" will give you plenty to back up my "claims". I am surprised that you need help to back up what you call claims. It is established fact that Barry George has won "substantial damages" from News Group Newspapers, publishers of the Sun and News of the World, for libel.
I was referring to your claims about me!
And I know about the libel damages and why he won them, seems you are stretching this in order to fit your agenda.
Maybe you can post up what the news group said word for word.
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The links that you have provided so far have defeated rather than helped your contentions. Quite what nuggets of knowledge you believe can be derived from an article in "Sociopath World" authored by the anonymous "psychology today blogger" is a mystery. Cod psychology epitomised.
Another of your links is to an article where it is accepted that Mirror Group also lied about him and paid him substantial damages for libel. Why do you imagine that this backs up your allegations?
The same tactics were used against Colin Stagg for years where it was suggested constantly that he had "got away" with murdering Rachel Nickell. How did that one turn out?
You haven't offered a single valid reason to back up your belief that Barry George is guilty.
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The same tactics were used against Colin Stagg for years where it was suggested constantly that he had "got away" with murdering Rachel Nickell. How did that one turn out?
Wasn't George also questioned over the Rachel Nickell murder.
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I would have to read up on Barry George. Similar to how I did with Bamber. Reading both the pro and anti arguments. But don't have time.
It does seem strange that the police arrest a man, the DPP accepts the case, a jury convicts and an appeal court upholds the conviction. Then after 8 years the conviction is quashed and he's found innocent at re trial.
Not because of new evidence or another person confessing. But because 8 years of hammering away at the original small amount of forensic evidence resulted in it eventually being classed as unreliable.
Sion Jenkins did the same thing with the small amount of forensic evidence against him. However there was also more convincing circumstantial evidence against him & a time period where he was with Billie Jo and could have committed the killing.
The mysterious man who Sion Jenkins said climbed over the garden fence in broad daylight & into the house to kill Billie Jo, without financial or sexual motivation and without knowing who else was in the house, has never been caught.
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Wasn't George also questioned over the Rachel Nickell murder.
sorry but somoeones allready pleaded guilty hes names robert napper.
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Barry George's lawyers spent 3 years trying to get compensation. The case went to the high court. His lawyers claiming George would not have been convicted in the original trial if the jury had been aware of the unreliable evidence that George's lawyers had spent 11 years discrediting since the conviction.
"The claim was heard in the High Court, but in their summing up, judges Lord Justice Beatson and Mr Justice Irwin said: "There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder", and, on the strength of this, denied George compensation for wrongful incarceration".
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but the barrys lawyers argument was proven to be true by the fact that a jury that new evedence found him innocent.
so the judges statement by any standards are absurd.
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It's not surprising the re trial went in George's favour. After 8 years of non stop work from Georges team and previous failed appeals, the COA quashed the conviction. On the basis that the incriminating evidence was perhaps unreliable. However the COA ordered a re trial.
What were the jury in the re trial going to do, disagree with the COA ?
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I was referring to your claims about me!
And I know about the libel damages and why he won them, seems you are stretching this in order to fit your agenda.
Maybe you can post up what the news group said word for word.
You posted "What newspapers?" and asked if I could back up my claims. So crystal clear that you were referring to claims made about you. The only claims I have made about you are that you were attacking George's sister Michelle Diskin and that you accused his sister of covering his guilt. You have stated the following in this thread
"The smoke and mirrors campaign his sister is running, is in my opinion, in order to cover his guilt- whether she is aware of his guilt or not."
That sounds like attacking her to me and funnily enough, actually stating clearly that his sister is, in your opinion, "covering his guilt" counts as an accusation of "his sister covering his guilt".
You say that you are aware of why he won damages and then ask if I could post "word for word" articles that are accepted as libellous by all parties and the High Court. What could possibly go wrong? ::). What other libellous articles would you like quoting verbatim?
What evidence do you think supports your belief? Without linking to dubious newspaper articles, or articles about newspapers being shown to be lying, and in fact admitting that they lied, or links from dodgy psychology blogs which in no way refer to the case in hand anyway, as well as being totally anonymous.
Spell out what evidence supports the claim that Barry George killed Jill Dando.
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It's not surprising the re trial went in George's favour. After 8 years of non stop work from Georges team and previous failed appeals, the COA quashed the conviction. On the basis that the incriminating evidence was unreliable. However the COA ordered a re trial.
What were the jury in the re trial going to do, disagree with the COA ?
yes they have done before retrials and jurys have convicted a secound time in fact its common for a retrial to connvict than aquit.
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I would have to read up on Barry George. Similar to how I did with Bamber. Reading both the pro and anti arguments. But don't have time.
It does seem strange that the police arrest a man, the DPP accepts the case, a jury convicts and an appeal court upholds the conviction. Then after 8 years the conviction is quashed and he's found innocent at re trial.
Not because of new evidence or another person confessing. But because 8 years of hammering away at the original small amount of forensic evidence resulted in it eventually being classed as unreliable.
Sion Jenkins did the same thing with the small amount of forensic evidence against him. However there was also circumstantial evidence against him & a time period where he was with Billie Jo and could have committed the killing.
The mysterious man who Sion Jenkins said climbed over the garden fence in broad daylight & into the house to kill Billie Jo, without financial or sexual motivation and without knowing who else was in the house, has never been caught.
Yes you're right, you would have to read up on it
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yes they have done before retrials and jurys have convicted a secound time in fact its common for a retrial to connvict than aquit.
What cases ?
The Sion Jenkins case had two re trials which both failed to come up with a verdict. So he was released. Although the prosecution case here is a lot stronger than the Barry George case as Jenkins was with Billie Jo minutes before she was found dead. And with her long enough to kill her.
Anyway. The Barry George case was high profile. So he would have had lawyers and supporters working around the clock for him. Similar to what Bamber has, however there is simply too much incriminating evidence against Bamber.
After 8 years and a failed appeal, the Barry George conviction was quashed based on apparent unreliability of already submitted evidence. And a re trial ordered. The courts said in 2011 a jury may still convict him in 2011 based on todays evidence.
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why do you think they send a case to retrail if they dident think there was more than a 50 percent a jury would convict they wouldent bother would they.
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Gringo said
There is a great big light being shone on police and media corruption and collusion. This collusion is in order to convict innocent people. To not see this is to be wilfully blind.
Stephanie said Risk remains say police despite 2008 acquittal
Why should anyone accept claims by the very organisation which set Barry George up for conviction about whether or not he is a "risk?" Of course they're going to continue to blacken his name - their prized conviction was snatched away from them, and they did what they always do - continue to throw negative information into the public domain. The "great big light" referred to by gringo is there for all to see - phone hacking, Christopher Jefferies, Hillsborough etc - it doesn't take a lot of searching to see how much corruption and collusion is being, and has been, shoved under the rug, but it can't and won't stay there forever.
The change of law to deny compensation to wrongly convicted people was seen by many as an outrageous move - unless someone can prove absolutely that they did not commit the crime for which they were incarcerated, they will not be compensated. That is a complete inversion of one of the most basic premises (and rights) of our justice system - that a person has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, that proof being accepted by a jury of his or her peers. Barry George was acquitted - a jury decided that the wholly misleading forensic evidence undermined the case to the point where the conviction was no longer safe - which means they did not accept that there was a "convincing circumstantial case" without that forensic evidence.
Sam Hallam was also denied compensation. Is anyone seriously going to argue that he, too was guilty as originally charged?
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why do you think they send a case to retrail if they dident think there was more than a 50 percent a jury would convict they wouldent bother would they.
As I asked in my last post, what convictions that the COA have quashed & ordered a re trial, have the jury at the re trial gone against the COA & voted guilty ?
Ched Evans has been given a re trial. This is another high profile case. Evans had the money to hire good lawyers. The CCRC deny the case has been fast tracked.
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"Risk remains say police despite 2008 acquittal
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/29/barry-george-jill-dando
Further re Barry George's risk http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/barry-george-case-new-insights-on.html?m=1
"Our new paper* "When ‘neutral’ evidence still has probative value: implications from the Barry George Case" (published in the journal Science and Justice) casts doubts on the reasoning in the 2007 Appeal Court judgement that led to the quashing of Barry George's conviction for the shooting to death of TV celebrity Jill Dando.
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the met police of said the same people who said an unarmed man shot at theem s a copletly rialble source there.
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http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/jill-dando-and-the-way-of-the-bullet-6319959.html
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Further re Barry George's risk http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/barry-george-case-new-insights-on.html?m=1
"Our new paper* "When ‘neutral’ evidence still has probative value: implications from the Barry George Case" (published in the journal Science and Justice) casts doubts on the reasoning in the 2007 Appeal Court judgement that led to the quashing of Barry George's conviction for the shooting to death of TV celebrity Jill Dando.
I couldent find 1 coherent arguent in that link just rehashing discredited evddence that a juery of 12 people rejected.
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I was referring to your claims about me!
And I know about the libel damages and why he won them, seems you are stretching this in order to fit your agenda.
Maybe you can post up what the news group said word for word.
well you normally win a libel case by the fact what has been said isn't true.
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The links that you have provided so far have defeated rather than helped your contentions. Quite what nuggets of knowledge you believe can be derived from an article in "Sociopath World" authored by the anonymous "psychology today blogger" is a mystery. Cod psychology epitomised.
Another of your links is to an article where it is accepted that Mirror Group also lied about him and paid him substantial damages for libel. Why do you imagine that this backs up your allegations?
The same tactics were used against Colin Stagg for years where it was suggested constantly that he had "got away" with murdering Rachel Nickell. How did that one turn out?
You haven't offered a single valid reason to back up your belief that Barry George is guilty.
theres also the fact that a blog on psychology thankfully convict somone in a court of law so the title of the threads a bit misleading.
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Barry George's lawyers spent 3 years trying to get compensation. The case went to the high court. His lawyers claiming George would not have been convicted in the original trial if the jury had been aware of the unreliable evidence that George's lawyers had spent 11 years discrediting since the conviction.
"The claim was heard in the High Court, but in their summing up, judges Lord Justice Beatson and Mr Justice Irwin said: "There was indeed a case upon which a reasonable jury properly directed could have convicted the claimant of murder", and, on the strength of this, denied George compensation for wrongful incarceration".
The problem is Adam I don't think many people bother to read the Judgement's, which is a shame.
Barry George had been to prison prior to Jill Dando's murder but the way his sister and his supporters carry on, you'd think they'd forgotten about this fact.
Was it because of his 'disabilities' that he did what he did to his previous victim(s)? Why didn't his family bother to fight that conviction?
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no they havent forgotten they just know its not relvant to the jill dando murder.
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no they havent forgotten they just know its not relvant to the jill dando murder.
Point me to where his previous convictions have been discussed by his family members and the impact of these convictions on his family members and more importantly his victim(s).
Is he capable of showing remorse?
Why aren't his previous convictions relevant to the Jill Dando murder?
And why did he commit the offences in the first place? What was his defence back then?
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there were hundreds of suspects in that case i doubt was only one of them that had been in prison.
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there were hundreds of suspects in that case i doubt was only one of them that had been in prison.
You haven't answered my questions - we are talking about Barry George, not the other suspects!
Point me to where his previous convictions have been discussed by his family members and the impact of these convictions on his family members and more importantly his victim(s).
Is he capable of showing remorse?
Why aren't his previous convictions relevant to the Jill Dando murder?
And why did he commit the offences in the first place? What was his defence back then?
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Point me to where his previous convictions have been discussed by his family members and the impact of these convictions on his family members and more importantly his victim(s).
Is he capable of showing remorse?
Why aren't his previous convictions relevant to the Jill Dando murder?
And why did he commit the offences in the first place? What was his defence back then?
Well they can't be by law but I must admit I found Jill's neighbour Helen Doble remarkably complacent when she dismissed Barry George as the local eccentric when he had in the past roamed round the grounds of Kensington Palace with rope and a 12'' hunting knife.
https://youtu.be/jlIgI4aLmVU
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Well they can't be by law but I must admit I found Jill's neighbour Helen Doble remarkably complacent when she dismissed Barry George as the local eccentric when he had in the past roamed round the grounds of Kensington Palace with rope and a 12'' hunting knife.
https://youtu.be/jlIgI4aLmVU
I should have been clearer - I'm talking about now, not pre-trial Steve.
How can Barry George be described as a 'vulnerable loner' when he has form?
Why do his supporters play down these facts? Is it there cognitive distortions? If the police didn't believe him to be a risk to the public, why still under MAPPA?
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Well they can't be by law but I must admit I found Jill's neighbour Helen Doble remarkably complacent when she dismissed Barry George as the local eccentric when he had in the past roamed round the grounds of Kensington Palace with rope and a 12'' hunting knife.
https://youtu.be/jlIgI4aLmVU
Neighbour Mr Hughes was unable to pick out George in a line up but it was over a year later.
His description immediately following the scream certainly seemed to fit George in my opinion. And maybe the phone he thought he saw was the murder weapon.
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Neighbour Mr Hughes was unable to pick out George in a line up but it was over a year later.
His description immediately following the scream certainly seemed to fit George in my opinion. And maybe the phone he thought he saw was the murder weapon.
I wonder what Baroness Newlove would make of these circumstances. Seems George's previous victim(s) have been forgotten about.
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You haven't answered my questions - we are talking about Barry George, not the other suspects!
the point still stands its not relvant being found of 1 crime doesnt make you guilty of another.
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Well they can't be by law but I must admit I found Jill's neighbour Helen Doble remarkably complacent when she dismissed Barry George as the local eccentric when he had in the past roamed round the grounds of Kensington Palace with rope and a 12'' hunting knife.
https://youtu.be/jlIgI4aLmVU
I wonder if the police have ever re-visited the CCTV evidence in this case? It's possible they may have missed something.
According to disclosures made by SH, he went into Tesco's Copdock the day before he murdered (15th Dec 2001)and purchased a pair of black moleskin type trousers. He disclosed it was a 'fluke' that the police missed him on CCTV.
How do we know the same didn't happen in this case?
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Instead of attacking Barry George's sister it would be more intellectually honest to question the role played by certain police officers and their stooges at the Sun et al.
Accusing his sister of "covering his guilt" is particularly loathsome especially seeing as you appear to base these slurs on nothing more than "belief".
Following the discovery of Jill Dando's body, her neighbour phoned the police, believing her to have been stabbed. The police and paramedics arrived sometime later.
If you have any knowledge of this case Gringo you will be aware the crime scene had been contaminated by the paramedics, not the police. An air ambulance took Miss Dando to hospital where she was declared deceased.
You state; 'Instead of attacking Barry George's sister it would be more intellectually honest to question the role played by certain police officers and their stooges at the Sun et al
First off, I am not attacking Barry George's sister. I am asking questions.
Following my own experiences, I am well aware of how some family members will defend and protect their loved ones regardless of the consequences to themselves or indeed others.
To whom are these 'certain police officers and their stooges' to which you refer? You will need to be more specific and name them.
It is clear you have an agenda Gringo and it's also clear it is you who is attempting to slur my name.
It's noted you choose to say nothing in relation to the SH confession. What is your stance on this by the way, seeing as you appear to be interested in these cases.
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Following my own experiences, I am well aware of how some family members will defend and protect their loved ones regardless of the consequences to themselves or indeed others.
I should add:
I am aware of how some family members will publicly attempt to protect their loved ones for well over a decade and still choose to mislead the public, even after a confession. I do not know why people choose to do this but I know that they do. The evidence is in the public domain. It cannot and should not be ignored!
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As I asked in my last post, what convictions that the COA have quashed & ordered a re trial, have the jury at the re trial gone against the COA & voted guilty
That's not information that's easy to find! These are the ones I found, and the reasons for the retrials:
Ronnie Coulter - Double Jeopardy
Angus Sinclair - Double Jeopardy
Nat Fraser (CoA)
Ameen Jogee (Supreme Court)
Charlie Jutyauripo murder (convicted person unnamed for legal reasons) hung jury
John Watson (hung jury)
Michael Stone (CoA)
Peter Smith (CoA)
Stephen Young (CoA)
Sgt Danny Nightingale (military trial and re-trial – court martials Appeal court)
From the Court of Appeal Annual report, there were 121 successful appeals in 2014-15 - I haven't been able to find how many of those went to retrial, but I'll keep looking.
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Michelle Diskin has publicly stated her brother was not capable of murder. How do we know she is not in denial?
"People who are not open to hearing information and criticism about themselves can become Masters of Denial. There is no end to what they can make themselves believe for their own benefit.
She is openly supporting Jeremy Bamber who we know to be guilty. Why doesn't she campaign on her own? Why does she choose to be associated with so many other alleged MOJ cases?
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You haven't offered a single valid reason to back up your belief that Barry George is guilty.
Matthew Hamlen also maintained innocence before https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com/ he was brought back to Court to face a re-trial under the double jeopardy law and found guilty of bludgeoning 77 year old Georgina Edmonds to death with a rolling pin, after stabbing her 37 times.
In February 2016 Matthew Hamlen was sentenced to 30 years.
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Michelle Diskin has publicly stated her brother was not capable of murder. How do we know she is not in denial?
"People who are not open to hearing information and criticism about themselves can become Masters of Denial. There is no end to what they can make themselves believe for their own benefit.
She is openly supporting Jeremy Bamber who we know to be guilty. Why doesn't she campaign on her own? Why does she choose to be associated with so many other alleged MOJ cases?
and having met him I have to agrea with her.
1 bullet straight through the temple clean and calm escape that's not the actions of a man with limited intelligence and poor cordnation skills.
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that's not the actions of a man with limited intelligence and poor cordnation skills.
Is that your excuse for his previous offences? ::)
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the murder looked like a professional git to me by somone who knew what they were doing.
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https://youtu.be/jlIgI4aLmVU
Why are supporters of Barry George minimizing the fact that he had duped the police on several occasions prior to his arrest for the murder of Jill Dando?
He had previously been convicted under some of these aliases. How did that happen?
He had a conviction for a sex attack in the 1980's. His conviction would have been spent after a period of years but what help or support did he receive from the point of this conviction, up until his arrest for murder, if any?
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear when I posted the following: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8116.msg383934.html#msg383934
"ANONYMOUS
September 10, 2013 10:04 am
As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public;
Barry George has not been declared as a TRUE MOJ victim! This is Michelle Diskin's interpretation.
this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice.
It does indeed! Especially given that Michael Mansfield also represented SH in the appeal court in 2010, as one example. Could Michael Mansfield's brief of Barry George have been wrong like it was with Simon Hall?
But this is just one case.
But it isn't is it!? There is no definitive proof that Barry George is innocent, just that his conviction was over turned.
The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence.
But the evidence wasn't built around Barry George. His name had been put forward early on following the murder.
One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit?
What does she mean by this? It makes no sense!
All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed.
Why take it on the chin and move on? Why not look for answers as to how the confession came about?
Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict. The B George case is one…but the parallels with the Barri White/Keith Hyatt conviction are evident; the case was fitted around the defendants, and not around the evidence.
I eagerly await the government’s response to Barri and Keith’s new claim for compensation. Keith was released at the court of appeal, but Barri went on to re-trial. Does this mean that Keith will be successful but Barri’s claim will not? After all, if the legal view is that the CPS were not wrong to prosecute Barry George, because they had evidence, and he is not a MOJ because he went for re-trial, then poor Barri will face the same prospect…won’t he?
Lorraine Allen was released by the court of appeals, too. She too was refused compensation, so she took her case to ECHR, and lost…because she did not opt for a re-trial. Barry George DID, and was told this was the reason that he did not qualify. Who can now receive compensation for wrongful conviction?
Questions to ponder…and yet another battle for all of us, to demand fairness from this unjust system.
Michelle (Diskin) Bates http://thejusticegap.com/2013/09/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock/
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John Lennon was shot by a person with mental health problems.
Chapman chose Lennon partly because he knew where he lived. Barry George lived only 5 minutes from Dando.
Chapman had the chance to run away. Probably to never be caught. There would then have been lots of theories about the government and paid hit men. When it was simply a crazed individual who had an opportunity due to the celebraity having no security.
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John Lennon was shot by a person with mental health problems.
Chapman chose Lennon partly because he knew where he lived.
Chapman had the chance to run away. Probably to never be caught. There would then have been lots of theories about the government and paid hit men. When it was simply a crazed individual who had an opportunity due to the celebraity having no security.
Exactly Adam!
The met police were faced with a serious lack of evidence in this case but it didn't mean it was a professional hit.
Plus the bullet recovered suggested it wasn't a professional hit.
When Barry George was convicted in the 1980's for a sex attack, was his defence his mental health or did he admit to the crime? What did his prison records suggest he suffered from in the 1980's? Was he ever assessed? And if he was, did his diagnoses alter following his arrest for Ms Dando's murder?
How do we know his diagnosis was/is correct?
Did he suffer from epilepsy in the 1980's?
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the guy who shot dando did run away so no comparion with mark chapman.
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Why not look for answers as to how the confession came about?
Like I've been doing?
What caused Simon Hall, after 10+ years of steadfastly maintaining innocence, to suddenly confess, then end his own life, within a period of 7 months?
Could the effects of the drugs he was taking have had any influence?
Why has the detail of the "official confession" never been made public?
I asked a question in another post - given the number of cases commented upon by Stephanie, as a result of Simon's confession, does she now believe everyone maintaining innocence is lying?
Barry George never confessed, in spite of clear mental difficulties.
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Nick Ross who presented crime watch thought it was him?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491452/Dando-murder-I-know-Barry-George-killed-friend-Jill.html
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Did George have access to the fire arm which killed Dando ?
I'm assuming the fire arm matching the type of bullet was not found in George's flat.
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Barry George never confessed, in spite of clear mental difficulties.
How do we know he has never confessed? We do not know what he may have told A N Other, who may have decided to say nothing!?
What is Barry George's actual diagnosis and what was he diagnosed with in the 1980's?
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Why are supporters of Barry George minimizing the fact that he had duped the police on several occasions prior to his arrest for the murder of Jill Dando?
So, this apparently eccentric, mentally challenged loner was able to "dupe" professionally trained police investigators on "several occasions" ... that really doesn't say much about the professionally trained police investigators, does it?
In fact, the professionally trained police investigators failed to even spot the use of fake names until they, somewhat surprisingly, turned up in court. So Barry George not only duped police investigators, but the DPP as well - not one of them did any sort of ID check, background check, anything, to ascertain that the person they'd arrested/detained was actually the person he said he was.
Good job, guys!
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So, this apparently eccentric, mentally challenged loner was able to "dupe" professionally trained police investigators on "several occasions" ... that really doesn't say much about the professionally trained police investigators, does it?
What evidence is there from the 1980's to suggest the above?
In fact, the professionally trained police investigators failed to even spot the use of fake names until they, somewhat surprisingly, turned up in court. So Barry George not only duped police investigators, but the DPP as well - not one of them did any sort of ID check, background check, anything, to ascertain that the person they'd arrested/detained was actually the person he said he was.
Erm, Because he'd duped them!?! His deceptions went undiscovered until this point.
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So, this apparently eccentric, mentally challenged loner was able to "dupe" professionally trained police investigators on "several occasions" ... that really doesn't say much about the professionally trained police investigators, does it?
In fact, the professionally trained police investigators failed to even spot the use of fake names until they, somewhat surprisingly, turned up in court. So Barry George not only duped police investigators, but the DPP as well - not one of them did any sort of ID check, background check, anything, to ascertain that the person they'd arrested/detained was actually the person he said he was.
Good job, guys!
well assuming a word they saif they said it doesn't say much for there detective skills.
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How do we know he has never confessed? We do not know what he may have told A N Other, who may have decided to say nothing!?
What is Barry George's actual diagnosis and what was he diagnosed with in the 1980's?
barrys suffers from Asperger's a form of autism.
he is also dysprcsic I belive.
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barrys suffers from Asperger's a form of autism.
So what, people diagnosed with AD do not commit violent crimes? ::)
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Adam Lanza had AD
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/21/study-finds-significant-portion-of-mass-murderers-and-serial-killers-had-neurological-disorders-including-autism/?utm_term=.d573ca3ff2fb
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Did George have access to the fire arm which killed Dando ?
I'm assuming the fire arm matching the type of bullet was not found in George's flat.
No-one knows which firearm killed Jill Dando. All that is known is that it was a 9mm "short" cartridge - that takes it down to two (apparently) known makes of firearm available which could have fired such bullets - most certainly not an identified single weapon.
No weapon was found in Barry George's flat (to my knowledge) that matched the type of weapon capable of firing such a bullet.
Further, had Barry George fired that fatal shot, with the gun placed against the victim's temple, then returned the gun to his jacket pocket, the chances of a single particle of gunshot residue being the only evidence was severely undermined at the appeal hearing.
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barrys suffers from Asperger's a form of autism.
And this study suggests 92% of convicted murderers suffer from Aspergers (AD) http://witscience.org/new-study-shows-92-convicted-murderers-suffer-aspergers-syndrome/
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Further, had Barry George fired that fatal shot, with the gun placed against the victim's temple, then returned the gun to his jacket pocket, the chances of a single particle of gunshot residue being the only evidence was severely undermined at the appeal hearing.
We do not know the gun was placed in any pocket.
Barry George went home that day and changed.
We do not know what he was wearing and it was over a year later before he was arrested, plenty of time to dispose of any clothing worn and indeed a gun.
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And this study suggests 92% of convicted murderers suffer from Aspergers (AD) http://witscience.org/new-study-shows-92-convicted-murderers-suffer-aspergers-syndrome/
well thats complete bollocks anyone who has a basic understanding of the islness would know that.
easly debunked i refer you to this.
https://t.co/UzmxgZXsvN
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well thats complete bollocks anyone who has a basic understanding of the islness would know that.
Course it is because it doesn't support your argument. Maybe you should look at those people with dyspraxia and AD and a history of sex attacks on others.
And hasn't Michelle Diskin confirmed to the media they were exposed to domestic violence growing up?
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We do not know the gun was placed in any pocket.
Barry George went home that day and changed.
We do not know what he was wearing and it was over a year later before he was arrested, plenty of time to dispose of any clothing worn and indeed a gun
"We do not know that the gun was placed in any pocket"... yet that was where the only single particle of gunshot residue was "found."
"Barry George went home that day and changed. ...We do not know what he was wearing"
So which is it? We don't know what he was wearing, therefore we can't possibly claim he went home and changed, or we do know what he was wearing and...
For completion - over a year to dispose of everything, yet he somehow managed to leave evidence of gunshot residue in a pocket of something he may or may not have worn on the day of the murder?
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"We do not know that the gun was placed in any pocket"... yet that was where the only single particle of gunshot residue was "found."
"Barry George went home that day and changed. ...We do not know what he was wearing"
So which is it? We don't know what he was wearing, therefore we can't possibly claim he went home and changed, or we do know what he was wearing and...
For completion - over a year to dispose of everything, yet he somehow managed to leave evidence of gunshot residue in a pocket of something he may or may not have worn on the day of the murder?
But there was a fibre of his from a pair of C&A trousers which had fallen on Jill Dando's coat. The CCTV footage indicated that Jill wasn't followed from Hammersmith so this had to be a random act. One witness noticed a man hanging around Gowan Avenue pretending to wipe a car windscreen. It had to be Barry George in my opinion; he fit the psychological profile of a loner, he was obsessed with women and was a menace to them and he had no alibi to speak of.
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But there was a fibre of his from a pair of C&A trousers which had fallen on Jill Dando's coat. The CCTV footage indicated that Jill wasn't followed from Hammersmith so this had to be a random act. One witness noticed a man hanging around Gowan Avenue pretending to wipe a car windscreen. It had to be Barry George in my opinion; he fit the psychological profile of a loner, he was obsessed with women and was a menace to them and he had no alibi to speak of.
I agree Steve.
The description given by eye witnesses described Barry George, though he refused to take part in an ID parade.
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Course it is because it doesn't support your argument. Maybe you should look at those people with dyspraxia and AD and a history of sex attacks on others.
And hasn't Michelle Diskin confirmed to the media they were exposed to domestic violence growing up?
other than disvility prujedece have you got that constitutes evdence.
grounds to face thats a bit of a joke isnt.
becouse at the moment your just showing what an ignront bigot you are.
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and as for those links from the daily mirror i suggest you read this.
https://t.co/MihZnCM2e6
as you can see the seteled out of court apolgised and admited the storys were false.
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here we are theres more to come https://t.co/cLm4Gk08q5
https://t.co/UzmxgZXsvN
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This is quite a good listen. https://youtu.be/2VAhmBOlKq4
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Dr Treadwell offers a reasonable and balanced approach, I thought.
But there was a fibre of his from a pair of C&A trousers which had fallen on Jill Dando's coat
I don't believe that can be claimed absolutely. Any C&A trousers (and, indeed, any article of clothing) made from the same fabric would shed identical fibres. The fact that Barry George had a pair of trousers that matched a fibre found on Jill Dando's coat isn't really evidence of anything - that fibre could have come from any number of garments.
The other thing that's worrying about this case (which didn't come out until recently (2015, I believe) were the death threats received by Jill Dando, Alice Beer and Anne Robinson, just weeks before the murder and the threats to Alice Beer and Anne Robinson just after the shooting. Why were those never investigated? Police didn't even bother to take a statement. Was it just coincidence that someone threatens to kill three well known celebrities, and a few weeks later, someone actually kills one of those celebrities?
The initial threats were made in hand written letters. It would have been open to police at the time to check the handwriting - would it have borne any resemblance to Barry George's writing? We'll probably never know now.
Why, also, did they ignore the advice of a clinical psychologist (brought in by investigating officers themselves) to check for any "suspicious communications" Jill Dando might have received?
There's also the claim that a man with a "mid European" accent called the BBC and claimed responsibility. For what reason were the police "sceptical" about this? At that time, they had pretty much nothing to go on.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/secret-papers-reveal-shock-and-panic-that-swept-bbc-after-dandos-murder-1707904.html
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are we talking about the kosovo letter the police know that wasnt barry geordge theyve never sugested it was.
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Sadly,Jill died as a result of a programme that was to have been aired on the " gangs " of paedophiles/criminals that blight society. Someone didn't like what was to have been broadcast and as David Wilson had said,a " Mr Big " was hired to " shut the poor woman up " with a single shot to the head---which only a contracted killer would have achieved.
A week prior to the murder,Jill and also Alice Beer had received threats of " rape and murder " which seemingly went unnoticed ?
It was easy for police to focus on a " crank " neighbour,job done,and so a frenzy was whipped-up to lay blame on a man who,to the police,bore all the hallmarks of a " killer "even down to the last fibre of clothing.
Lack of compensation to this poor individual will be due to the fact that nobody will ever admit that they got the wrong man,because compensation equals admission !
Has Barry George been silenced/gagged ? I ask because with him living in Ireland,against his will,it would seem so to me.
What utter nonsense to blame this man for murder,when it's plain to see that his " pie in the sky " ideas of wanting to become a papparazi could only come from someone who dreams of becoming someone to be recognised.Next thing------a brain surgeon ? Sorry to be blunt but the man's as daft as a brush----in the nicest possible way.
Stefan Kiszko had been another easy target. I find it extremely unpalatable when those with learning difficulties are blamed for such crimes,particularly murder. It disgusts me.
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An earlier post asked
How can Barry George be described as a 'vulnerable loner' when he has form?
It's common knowledge that vulnerable people with learning difficulties, mental illness, etc are the easiest targets for so-called investigations that are aiming for a conviction at any cost.
lookout asked Has Barry George been silenced/gagged ? I ask because with him living in Ireland,against his will, it would seem so to me
When a conviction is overturned, especially when police investigators are insistent they "got the right man," the exonerated person will sometimes find themselves the target of endless (and unjustified) police surveillance and harassment. It becomes impossible for that person to live any sort of "normal" life.
When they are looking through the lens of constant suspicion, everything they see is coloured by a suspicious slant - something as innocent as talking to people in the street can become an excuse for a trip to the police station for questioning.
Not only is this targeting and on-going harassment of vulnerable people disgusting, it is dangerous for society as a whole - while our police are fixated on this sort of thing, dangerous criminals are literally getting away with murder.
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An earlier post asked
It's common knowledge that vulnerable people with learning difficulties, mental illness, etc are the easiest targets for so-called investigations that are aiming for a conviction at any cost.
lookout asked
When a conviction is overturned, especially when police investigators are insistent they "got the right man," the exonerated person will sometimes find themselves the target of endless (and unjustified) police surveillance and harassment. It becomes impossible for that person to live any sort of "normal" life.
When they are looking through the lens of constant suspicion, everything they see is coloured by a suspicious slant - something as innocent as talking to people in the street can become an excuse for a trip to the police station for questioning.
Not only is this targeting and on-going harassment of vulnerable people disgusting, it is dangerous for society as a whole - while our police are fixated on this sort of thing, dangerous criminals are literally getting away with murder.
Similar is happening to Eddie Gilfoyle,who is still on " licence " since 2010,after having been released with a gagging order in place. Again,Merseyside police will not admit to their mistakes in this investigation,nor will he ever feel free until they do so which affects not only Eddie and his family but also the general public,particularly those who believe the law/justice is always right.
I knew Eddie and his late wife in a professional capacity so it was easy for me,personally to pass judgement on both and also because I'd known,personally, of one of his late wife's boyfriend's.
Eddie was/is no murderer.
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Similar is happening to Eddie Gilfoyle,who is still on " licence " since 2010,after having been released with a gagging order in place. Again,Merseyside police will not admit to their mistakes in this investigation,nor will he ever feel free until they do so which affects not only Eddie and his family but also the general public,particularly those who believe the law/justice is always right.
I knew Eddie and his late wife in a professional capacity so it was easy for me,personally to pass judgement on both and also because I'd known,personally, of one of his late wife's boyfriend's.
Eddie was/is no murderer.
Welcome back Lookout.
Maybe now you are here and given your above post re Eddie Gilfoyle, you'll be good enough to explain to nugnug and Sandra about the SH confession.
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What makes you think that I know anything about SH's confession ? I don't !
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Sadly,Jill died as a result of a programme that was to have been aired on the " gangs " of paedophiles/criminals that blight society. Someone didn't like what was to have been broadcast and as David Wilson had said,a " Mr Big " was hired to " shut the poor woman up " with a single shot to the head---which only a contracted killer would have achieved.
A week prior to the murder,Jill and also Alice Beer had received threats of " rape and murder " which seemingly went unnoticed ?
It was easy for police to focus on a " crank " neighbour,job done,and so a frenzy was whipped-up to lay blame on a man who,to the police,bore all the hallmarks of a " killer "even down to the last fibre of clothing.
Lack of compensation to this poor individual will be due to the fact that nobody will ever admit that they got the wrong man,because compensation equals admission !
Has Barry George been silenced/gagged ? I ask because with him living in Ireland,against his will,it would seem so to me.
What utter nonsense to blame this man for murder,when it's plain to see that his " pie in the sky " ideas of wanting to become a papparazi could only come from someone who dreams of becoming someone to be recognised.Next thing------a brain surgeon ? Sorry to be blunt but the man's as daft as a brush----in the nicest possible way.
Stefan Kiszko had been another easy target. I find it extremely unpalatable when those with learning difficulties are blamed for such crimes,particularly murder. It disgusts me.
I don't believe that BG killed SD but I'm not sure I would agree with David Wilson either. If the programme had already been made and SD was just the presenter, I don't why she would be the target?
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I don't believe that BG killed SD but I'm not sure I would agree with David Wilson either. If the programme had already been made and SD was just the presenter, I don't why she would be the target?
Jill Dando was targeted because of the nature of the programme she'd presented-----Crimewatch. It had been due to name,as they did so,gangs of paedo's/criminals,or those involved in such crimes.
It might well have been political too,we don't know.
It was scary enough when police in Rotherham did nothing when they'd known about gangs seizing youngsters to use for prostitution,so imagine if a broadcaster openly announced,or was going to do so,the can of worms that would have opened ?
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If the murder was linked to the imminent exposure of the paedophile scandal, it could be seen that choosing Jill Dando as the target was a clear warning to the BBC to back off. But then, there are suggestions elsewhere that the BBC itself was implicated in the scandal. Who (or what group) would have the means and motivation to engage a professional hitman to commit murder in order to warn off the BBC?
The Serbian connection (brought about in part because the bullet found at the scene was "crimped", indicating that it was manufactured potentially in Russia, and in common use in the Balkans), was floated in part as an act of "retribution" for the blowing up of a Serbian tv station or, alternatively because of her fronting the charity supporting refugees forced out by Milosovic (or maybe both!) A Serbian journalist was shot point blank in the head on his doorstep 15 days before Jill Dando was murdered. (He had been critical of the Serbian regime).
If the Serbian story was to become the new line of police investigation, the paedophile connection would once again be buried. Yet investigators refuse to carry out any new investigation?
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I personally didn't believe in a Serbian connection at all. As for the gun that was used,these are available from any gang dealing with underground crime,and in this case to take the heat off the real perpetrator. A copycat crime involving corruption to a higher degree.
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I'm not saying I believe in either the Serbian connection or the imminent paedophile scandal - just thinking out loud, really. I don't know what to make of it.
The information about a possible Serbian connection was in police hands from very early in the investigation, but it seems they did nothing with it.
Did information about an investigation into a VIP paedophile ring come only from an anonymous ex-colleague of Jill Dando's, or was there a more solid link? From what I've seen (I have to say, though, I haven't done a proper search for this info) there was no programme made and ready to air - Jill Dando raised the questions, and wanted to do an official investigation, but it was never done?
I'll see what I can find on this later today.
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I personally didn't believe in a Serbian connection at all. As for the gun that was used,these are available from any gang dealing with underground crime,and in this case to take the heat off the real perpetrator. A copycat crime involving corruption to a higher degree.
when this theory originated Brittan was at war with Serbia so it just be a bit recycled war propaganda.
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you might think in a high profile murder the police would bother to answer the phone.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/%27INCOMPETENT%27+JILL+POLICE+LEAVE+HOTLINE+UNMANNED%3b+No+reply+for+2+days...-a060412355
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and why was a key witness not interviewed for 15 weeks.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/What+is+going+on%3f%3b+Three+months+on%2c+police+still+haven%27t+even...-a060220374
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What makes you think that I know anything about SH's confession ? I don't !
Your posts on this forum!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187237.html#msg187237
"Can you be sure that Steph hadn't known anything.? I ask because some of her posts bordered on the desperate and hysterical. It's a lot of years not to have known something.?
I'm not showing disrespect for Steph,but------------------------------------
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187294.html#msg187294
"I've kept a lot to myself too,tyler as I knew from a good source quite some time ago. Months ,in fact.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187480.html#msg187480
"Boheme,,no,,you're not the only one. It was a forced confession,,so you can read into that. He's being threatened,boheme. ( from the horse's mouth )
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187482.html#msg187482
"I heard it from a retired cop,nugs.
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you might think in a high profile murder the police would bother to answer the phone.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/%27INCOMPETENT%27+JILL+POLICE+LEAVE+HOTLINE+UNMANNED%3b+No+reply+for+2+days...-a060412355
What about the flaws in the Billy Middleton case or would you prefer to brush these under the carpet.
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and why was a key witness not interviewed for 15 weeks.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/What+is+going+on%3f%3b+Three+months+on%2c+police+still+haven%27t+even...-a060220374
So what would you have done any differently Nugnug.
All your posts have one thing in common - you critisise everyone and anyone!
It seems all you are capable of doing is complaining, as opposed to doing anything proactive.
"A police source told the Sunday Mirror: "This couldn't have come at a worse time. The internal review found that officers were not thorough - they didn't do their job properly. A number of adults living in the same road as Jill had never been interviewed.
"They could have vital information, perhaps the detail that leads to a break in the case. It's basic detective work to interview everybody in the vicinity of a crime. They did not do this."
John O'Connor, a former head of the Flying Squad, said: "It is an absolute disgrace that the Dando inquiry team has made such an omission. There's no excuse. This error is unforgivable."
The revelation will put more pressure on Detective Chief Inspector Hamish Campbell, who is running the investigation.
"It was an oversight," said the source. "It happened because the investigation has been so huge and hectic. But it is embarrassing because the case is so high-profile and there are no prime suspects.
"The operation to interview every adult in Gowan Avenue will take up valuable resources. There are serious questions being asked at the highest level in the Metropolitan police."
The internal review of the murder investigation was completed in late June. The unit failed to uncover any significant new leads, but it did discover the detective work bungle.
The source said: "The news will reinforce the public's impression that the police haven't a clue in this case."
The investigation team has also been visited by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabularies. After 110 days, police admit they are still baffled by the murder. But Det. Chief Inspector Campbell says the killer will be brought to justice. He said: "The investigation is being pursued relentlessly." https://www.thefreelibrary.com/What+is+going+on%3f%3b+Three+months+on%2c+police+still+haven%27t+even...-a060220374
I feel certain a public enquiry will lead to the re-arrest of Barry George and because of the relentless nature of the police, they will eventually solve this case and put all conspiracy theories to bed once and for all.
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What about the flaws in the Billy Middleton case or would you prefer to brush these under the carpet.
I'm not really bothred ask him about I thought we were discussing barry grordge/
why are trying to change you started in the first place.
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Dr Treadwell offers a reasonable and balanced approach, I thought.
I don't believe that can be claimed absolutely. Any C&A trousers (and, indeed, any article of clothing) made from the same fabric would shed identical fibres. The fact that Barry George had a pair of trousers that matched a fibre found on Jill Dando's coat isn't really evidence of anything - that fibre could have come from any number of garments.
The other thing that's worrying about this case (which didn't come out until recently (2015, I believe) were the death threats received by Jill Dando, Alice Beer and Anne Robinson, just weeks before the murder and the threats to Alice Beer and Anne Robinson just after the shooting. Why were those never investigated? Police didn't even bother to take a statement. Was it just coincidence that someone threatens to kill three well known celebrities, and a few weeks later, someone actually kills one of those celebrities?
The initial threats were made in hand written letters. It would have been open to police at the time to check the handwriting - would it have borne any resemblance to Barry George's writing? We'll probably never know now.
Why, also, did they ignore the advice of a clinical psychologist (brought in by investigating officers themselves) to check for any "suspicious communications" Jill Dando might have received?
There's also the claim that a man with a "mid European" accent called the BBC and claimed responsibility. For what reason were the police "sceptical" about this? At that time, they had pretty much nothing to go on.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/secret-papers-reveal-shock-and-panic-that-swept-bbc-after-dandos-murder-1707904.html
I think had the Serbian hitman theory been correct it would have come out by now as somebody blabs in late night pub talk. The fact that there were no leads points in the direction of an off-chance killing by someone hanging around the area, a nonentity like Barry George who had been rejected by women and probably bore a pathological hatred for them.
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Sadly,Jill died as a result of a programme that was to have been aired on the " gangs " of paedophiles/criminals that blight society. Someone didn't like what was to have been broadcast and as David Wilson had said,a " Mr Big " was hired to " shut the poor woman up " with a single shot to the head---which only a contracted killer would have achieved.
A week prior to the murder,Jill and also Alice Beer had received threats of " rape and murder " which seemingly went unnoticed ?
It was easy for police to focus on a " crank " neighbour,job done,and so a frenzy was whipped-up to lay blame on a man who,to the police,bore all the hallmarks of a " killer "even down to the last fibre of clothing.
Lack of compensation to this poor individual will be due to the fact that nobody will ever admit that they got the wrong man,because compensation equals admission !
Has Barry George been silenced/gagged ? I ask because with him living in Ireland,against his will,it would seem so to me.
What utter nonsense to blame this man for murder,when it's plain to see that his " pie in the sky " ideas of wanting to become a papparazi could only come from someone who dreams of becoming someone to be recognised.Next thing------a brain surgeon ? Sorry to be blunt but the man's as daft as a brush----in the nicest possible way.
Stefan Kiszko had been another easy target. I find it extremely unpalatable when those with learning difficulties are blamed for such crimes,particularly murder. It disgusts me.
Lookout I think you have to look at his previous history of rape, of attempted kidnap, of his obsession with guns and with following women. For me all the pieces of the jigsaw are there. How did anyone know that Jill was returning to her house that morning(she was living with her fiancé at the time)? It's yet another indication that the murder was committed by someone in situ who could escape quickly back to his flat and change clothing.
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What utter nonsense to blame this man for murder,when it's plain to see that his " pie in the sky " ideas of wanting to become a papparazi could only come from someone who dreams of becoming someone to be recognised.Next thing------a brain surgeon ? Sorry to be blunt but the man's as daft as a brush----in the nicest possible way.
Stefan Kiszko had been another easy target. I find it extremely unpalatable when those with learning difficulties are blamed for such crimes,particularly murder. It disgusts me.
Once again, your clear lack of knowledge, bias and ignorance lets you down.
The following was published in the Guardian, which I might add Barry George and his sister did not sue for libel, because it was true!
"For legal reasons, the jury was not told that George has spent convictions for attempted rape and indecent assault.
He was also accused of assaulting his ex-wife a few months into their short-lived marriage.
Thirteen women had given statements to the police saying George had stalked them and there was evidence he had pestered hundreds of others who lived close to his flat in Fulham, developing obsessions that led him to behave in a threatening and frightening manner.
He followed one victim home, telling her: "Now I know where you live."
Police discovered George had compiled lists with the addresses, descriptions, photographs and car registration numbers of almost 100 women. Princess Diana's was among them.
There have been episodes throughout George's life that have defied rational explanation; he was once found hiding in the grounds of Kensington Palace, wearing a balaclava and carrying a knife, a poem to Prince Charles stashed in the pocket of his combat fatigues.
Yet none of this answers the question which has haunted the television presenter's relatives and friends since the moment the trigger was pulled. Why kill Jill?
Detective Superintendent Hamish Campbell, who led the investigation, believes George may have been obsessed with Dando, possibly because she was a celebrity, or because she was an attractive woman who lived nearby.
It is the detective's instinct that George had met her before, though there is no proof, and that George was a "very isolated, lonely and frustrated individual" who was "internally driven".
But could George have accosted Miss Dando on her doorstep and reacted violently when she tried to get away?
A handwritten note found in his messy groundfloor flat in Crookham Road may hint at the truth of what happened on April 26 1999. "I have difficulty handling rejection", George confessed. "I become angry ... it starts a chain of events which is beyond my control."
George seemed to know that there were flaws to his character; he told one woman he befriended that nobody really knew or understood him. "The me they know is not the real me. Perhaps I have another face." https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/03/jilldando.media5
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It was more to do with Barry George that I returned because I felt pity for a poor man who wasn't able to defend himself.
So Lookout, why did Barry George commit previous offences towards women.
"But George was not just a performer. He could be predator too.
In March 1980 an actress called June Elvin, who had appeared in Ealing films and the police series Z Cars, was confronted by a man as she walked into the entrance hall of her block of flats in Barons Court, west London.
"He pulled open one side of the gates to the lift, I did the other," she said. "It was a tiny lift with only room for two. Halfway up he stopped the lift and attacked me. He tried to touch me, to put my hand up my skirt. I screamed and shouted and fought back."
The man fled when a friend of Ms Elvin's heard the commotion and ran to help.
Though he was acquitted of this offence inn June 1981, George was convicted of assaulting another woman.
According to reports of this case, George followed the civil servant and asked her out. When she rejected him, he grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt. He received a three-month suspended prison sentence.
Nevertheless, in late 1981 and early 1982 he was stopped by police on three different occasions over allegations that he was harassing women.
In February, 1982, George approached a 20-year-old languages student outside Turnham Green Tube station in west London. She thought he was a harmless eccentric. He walked with her and tried to impress her by saying "How are you?" in German.
In a dark stairwell outside her parent's flat in Acton, George attacked her. He clamped his hand over her mouth and pushed her arm behind her back. Terrified she was going to suffocate, she pleaded with him to let her go, but he con tinued, forcing her to the ground and pulling at her clothing.
The woman, who is now married with two children, claimed she was raped.
"She remembers the incident with clarity," said an officer from the Dando murder squad who went to see her. "She said Barry seemed to snap when she told him to 'fuck off'. He couldn't understand why she was pushing him away." As he ran off, he shouted that he was "sorry".
George denied the rape allegation and the prosecution accepted a guilty plea to a lesser charge to avoid a trial.
He appeared at the Old Bailey in March 1983 under the name Steve Majors (Lee Majors played Steve Austin in the popular series the Six Million Dollar Man). The judge was told he assaulted her because he felt "lonely and rejected".
George was convicted of attempted rape and sentenced to 33 months. He served 23 before being released.
How he was caught for this offence is a story in itself. On January 10 1983, the royal protection squad found George hiding in the bushes at Kensington Palace, wearing khaki, carrying a knife and a length of rope. He never explained why he was there and he was not charged with an offence because officers swiftly linked him to the sex attack.
Initially, George denied involvement, but a bright detective inspector trapped him by asking if he knew any German. George repeated the phrase "How are you?". He broke down and confessed. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/03/jilldando.media5
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"It is now accepted that George does suffer from a mild form of epilepsy, though the experts are divided about its effects. Some believe George deliberately exaggerates the condition, others claim it has caused "severe brain dysfunction".https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/03/jilldando.media5
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So Lookout, why did Barry George commit previous offences towards women.
"But George was not just a performer. He could be predator too.
In March 1980 an actress called June Elvin, who had appeared in Ealing films and the police series Z Cars, was confronted by a man as she walked into the entrance hall of her block of flats in Barons Court, west London.
"He pulled open one side of the gates to the lift, I did the other," she said. "It was a tiny lift with only room for two. Halfway up he stopped the lift and attacked me. He tried to touch me, to put my hand up my skirt. I screamed and shouted and fought back."
The man fled when a friend of Ms Elvin's heard the commotion and ran to help.
Though he was acquitted of this offence inn June 1981, George was convicted of assaulting another woman.
According to reports of this case, George followed the civil servant and asked her out. When she rejected him, he grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt. He received a three-month suspended prison sentence.
Nevertheless, in late 1981 and early 1982 he was stopped by police on three different occasions over allegations that he was harassing women.
In February, 1982, George approached a 20-year-old languages student outside Turnham Green Tube station in west London. She thought he was a harmless eccentric. He walked with her and tried to impress her by saying "How are you?" in German.
In a dark stairwell outside her parent's flat in Acton, George attacked her. He clamped his hand over her mouth and pushed her arm behind her back. Terrified she was going to suffocate, she pleaded with him to let her go, but he con tinued, forcing her to the ground and pulling at her clothing.
The woman, who is now married with two children, claimed she was raped.
"She remembers the incident with clarity," said an officer from the Dando murder squad who went to see her. "She said Barry seemed to snap when she told him to 'fuck off'. He couldn't understand why she was pushing him away." As he ran off, he shouted that he was "sorry".
George denied the rape allegation and the prosecution accepted a guilty plea to a lesser charge to avoid a trial.
He appeared at the Old Bailey in March 1983 under the name Steve Majors (Lee Majors played Steve Austin in the popular series the Six Million Dollar Man). The judge was told he assaulted her because he felt "lonely and rejected".
George was convicted of attempted rape and sentenced to 33 months. He served 23 before being released.
How he was caught for this offence is a story in itself. On January 10 1983, the royal protection squad found George hiding in the bushes at Kensington Palace, wearing khaki, carrying a knife and a length of rope. He never explained why he was there and he was not charged with an offence because officers swiftly linked him to the sex attack.
Initially, George denied involvement, but a bright detective inspector trapped him by asking if he knew any German. George repeated the phrase "How are you?". He broke down and confessed. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/03/jilldando.media5
"George was arrested and charged with indecent assault on two other occasions - in April 1990 and January 1992, but neither case was pursued to court.
His abuse of women continued throughout the 90s, though he was not convicted of any offences.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/03/jilldando.media5
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I think had the Serbian hitman theory been correct it would have come out by now as somebody blabs in late night pub talk. The fact that there were no leads points in the direction of an off-chance killing by someone hanging around the area, a nonentity like Barry George who had been rejected by women and probably bore a pathological hatred for them.
Yet people want to play down his pathological traits Steve.
"In a note of condolence he wrote after her death, George claimed that he had been present when Mercury was interviewed by Miss Dando - another fantasy. He also falsely claimed he went to the same baptist church as her.
George seemed to know he was suffering from some kind of mental illness. On one handwritten note found in his flat, he had written: "I am suffering from long-term depression."
Detectives also found a note from a GP, dated October 28 1997, which said: "He quite clearly has a personality disorder. Otherwise, he is of normal, average intelligence."
The doctor recommended George should have a proper psychiatric assessment at the Riverside health authority in west London. An appointment was made, but George didn't go.
Doctors who examined George before the trial differed on the likely problem and its extent. It is understood that one report for the prosecution identified "histrionic", "narcissistic" and possible "paranoid" personality disorders; it concluded that George displayed "psychopathic personality characteristics".
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is this all have to demand a retrial 15 year old news storys that have allready been descredited i wonder what a jusge would say to proscuter who tried to use that as evdence.
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"It is now accepted that George does suffer from a mild form of epilepsy, though the experts are divided about its effects. Some believe George deliberately exaggerates the condition, others claim it has caused "severe brain dysfunction".https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/03/jilldando.media5
oh so having epilepsy makes you guilty of murder now does you should of lived in nazi germany.
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oh so epilepsy makes you guilty of murder you should of lived in nazi germany.
Why are you attempting to incite hatred
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It's not nugs who's doing that from where I'm sitting.
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is this all have to demand a retrial 15 year old news storys that have allready been descredited i wonder what a jusge would say to proscuter who tried to use that as evdence.
How can Barry George's past be discredited?
You may choose to hide away from an apparent and lengthy history of criminal offences towards women but these facts won't go away or disappear.
I've yet to witness Barry George make any apology for his behaviours and crimes prior to his arrest for murder.
I've also yet to witness his sister acknowledge her brother's issues related to his apparent disrespect and abuse towards women either.
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From the archives:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/four-life-sentences-for-rapist-obsessed-with-bbc-presenters-1-691161
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Donald Trump's past history with women isn't exactly Presidential material,but he's no murderer.
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How can Barry George's past be discredited?
You may choose to hide away from an apparent and lengthy history of criminal offences towards women but these facts won't go away or disappear.
I've yet to witness Barry George make any apology for his behaviours and crimes prior to his arrest for murder.
I've also yet to witness his sister acknowledge her brother's issues related to his apparent disrespect and abuse towards women either.
he had q previous conviction i belive and nobody has published the details of that.
most of the other is just alleged so not even worth comenting on really.
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How can Barry George's past be discredited?
You may choose to hide away from an apparent and lengthy history of criminal offences towards women but these facts won't go away or disappear.
I've yet to witness Barry George make any apology for his behaviours and crimes prior to his arrest for murder.
I've also yet to witness his sister acknowledge her brother's issues related to his apparent disrespect and abuse towards women either.
I think you mean disregarded, and I completely agree. For him to be whisked away in a black cab after his acquittal speaks volumes.
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I think you mean disregarded, and I completely agree. For him to be whisked away in a black cab after his acquittal speaks volumes.
Indeed I did.
The miscarriage of justice victim in this case is Jill Dando NOT Barry George.
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I'll ask/tell Michelle to take a look at this thread.
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I'll ask/tell Michelle to take a look at this thread.
I'm not even going to discuss this poor woman------I'll be e-mailing her !
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7824.msg384396.html#msg384396
I should have realised that this would be dragged ceaselessly along knowing that I'm already singled out on the forum. Even Adam had a say about my posts,so the best thing all round is for me to leave the forum altogether,like others have done. I don't fit in do I ??
I'll miss it but I don't need cat-fights or the background gossiping that goes on so I'll leave you to it.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8066.msg383005.html#msg383005
And you wonder why you feel the way you do ::) ::)
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I'll ask/tell Michelle to take a look at this thread.
how many succesfull lawsuits has she filled now its good few isnt it.
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how many succesfull lawsuits has she filled now its good few isnt it.
Barry George & his sister have been unsuccessful in many law suits Nugnug.
As soon as he was released from the COA, they tried to claim £750,000 like that awarded to Colin Stagg. They were refused. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/48551/750k-George-plans-a-new-life
The Courts have made it clear BG will not be getting a single penny because he simply isn't innocent enough.
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why do you think all the articals reffre to him as wrongly convicted.
why do you think the daily mirror settled ouut of court and apolgised its only dodgy nick ross that inists hes guilty.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7824.msg384396.html#msg384396
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8066.msg383005.html#msg383005
And you wonder why you feel the way you do ::) ::)
I feel great,how about you ??
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why do you think all the articals reffre to him as wrongly convicted.
why do you think the daily mirror settled ouut of court and apolgised its only dodgy nick ross that inists hes guilty.
Why does Billy Middleton insist he was wrongly accused. Why did he set up a website suggesting he was wrongly accused and why did he encourage others, who also claimed they were wrongly accused/convicted to join in his alleged plight. What were his motives for doing so, other than to cause further distress to his victims. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
Nick Ross is not the only person who thinks BG is guilty.
"Many guilty men walk in the footsteps of the innocent.
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It was good to see Mark Williams Thomas on TV this morning talking about Jill Dando's murder. He raised some very good points and I hope he continues to investigate and prove who killed her
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Why does Billy Middleton insist he was wrongly accused. Why did he set up a website suggesting he was wrongly accused and why did he encourage others, who also claimed they were wrongly accused/convicted to join in his alleged plight. What were his motives for doing so, other than to cause further distress to his victims. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
Nick Ross is not the only person who thinks BG is guilty.
"Many guilty men walk in the footsteps of the innocent.
750k. Nice try.
Colin Stagg was 100% innocent & the police tried a honey trap sting on him. Stagg then had to live for a long time in the public eye, seen by many as the man who killed Rachel Nikell.
You just know that Bamber would go after big compensation if he ever got out. Which helps motivate him.
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Nobody is going to pay " big compensation " to JB. Why do you think he's being kept inside ?
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if somone else is convicted of the crime i think they will have to pay barry his compenesation.
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It was good to see Mark Williams Thomas on TV this morning talking about Jill Dando's murder. He raised some very good points and I hope he continues to investigate and prove who killed her
I won't believe it until I see it. http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/mornings-true-crime-series-discovers-9773017
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if somone else is convicted of the crime i think they will have to pay barry his compenesation.
Did you watch it nugnug? I had never heard all the stuff about profiling etc until today so i did find it really interesting
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i watched a mwt video about the case on youtube if its the same one but it got removed.
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http://www.itv.com/thismorning/hot-topics/unsolved-who-killed-jill-dando
Not sure if this is the same but it was on this morning
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yes I think it is the same one
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Has anybody seen this by researcher Richard Hall, attempting to prove a link between the Jill Dando murder and nail bomber David Copeland? https://youtu.be/MUOlJa1fFDg
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i stoped listing when he started talking about mind controll
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i stoped listing when he started talking about mind controll
Yes it is rather slow. Part 4 is better: https://youtu.be/k8tOWredyd8