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« on: September 25, 2019, 01:02:PM »

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Re: john ferris
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2019, 01:37:PM »
now nobody can dispute what ferris did r did not admit to.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2019, 03:56:PM »
what he did admit to is good enough me.


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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2022, 12:45:PM »
im not sure it  or it is or it isnthes the right age he i move out the area after themurder but i  dont think he went to kilmarenk.

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Re: john ferris
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2022, 01:07:PM »
Do not forget that wearing a helmet on a motorcycle  became law in 1973. So considerations about hair become more complex. If they did not wear helmets fair enough but if they did then how could witnesses correctly identify the riders even if they recognised the noisy bike unless they actually saw them removing their helmets..

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2022, 01:12:PM »
Do not forget that wearing a helmet on a motorcycle  became law in 1973. So considerations about hair become more complex. If they did not wear helmets fair enough but if they did then how could witnesses correctly identify the riders even if they recognised the noisy bike unless they actually saw them removing their helmets..


aoring to witness they seem to have not been.
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Re: john ferris
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2022, 01:15:PM »
But the witnesses are making an identification based on a noisy bike not the riders.

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2022, 01:54:PM »
well the witness manged toesribe there hair

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Re: john ferris
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2022, 02:07:PM »
Do not forget that wearing a helmet on a motorcycle  became law in 1973. So considerations about hair become more complex. If they did not wear helmets fair enough but if they did then how could witnesses correctly identify the riders even if they recognised the noisy bike unless they actually saw them removing their helmets..
The people who witnessed this (if my memory serves me right) were in a shop/business on or near the start of the path (Newbattle road and the Beeches.) The early stretch of the path is surrounded by dense bushes and trees. So any view of the bike would be across the fields with the distance of the subject being viewed gradually increasing as it moved along the path. Roadrunner, please put me straight if I am wrong on this aspect. Further I do not see any reference to clothing, leathers boots etc. and colourings of said clothing.
I also see that there is a motorcycle hire garage on the musselburgh  road. Was this trading at the time and did the police check  recent hiring's, and staff.

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Re: john ferris
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2022, 03:50:PM »
The people who witnessed this (if my memory serves me right) were in a shop/business on or near the start of the path (Newbattle road and the Beeches.) The early stretch of the path is surrounded by dense bushes and trees. So any view of the bike would be across the fields with the distance of the subject being viewed gradually increasing as it moved along the path. Roadrunner, please put me straight if I am wrong on this aspect. Further I do not see any reference to clothing, leathers boots etc. and colourings of said clothing.
I also see that there is a motorcycle hire garage on the musselburgh  road. Was this trading at the time and did the police check  recent hiring's, and staff.

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Are there any dwellings on the Beeches? Are any of the properties holiday lets? Do any offer rooms for rent or offer B&B? Is it possible to get a view of the path from any of these albeit at a distance?

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Re: john ferris
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2022, 04:46:PM »
The boys were chased off the property of the tool hire place at closing time around 5pm.
This is how the investigation knew they hadn't gave the right time initially although it doesn't seem to have bothered the investigation much they were both ruled out before any forensics were back.
Hopefully we can all agree that JF &GD weren't properly investigated the way they should have been, not as suspects but to thoroughly rule them out. I don't believe that was done and that's how we all still have so many questions about the moped boys and how Findlay was able to ask both of them if they had a part in Jodi's murder.

For me it's not about finding the most likely suspect it's about showing how bad the investigation was, how it focused on Luke and excluded other more promising leads.

Sorry to keep referencing Innocents Betrayed but it's the only source we've got for statements and some of the forensics but according to the book JF's statement was 9 pages long and 7 pages were about Luke Mitchell.
 
As far as I'm aware there's no houses or anything on the Beeches and to see the path from any where you'd need to be looking at the right spot at the right time with binoculars but even then I doubt it.

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Re: john ferris
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2022, 06:00:PM »
I agree the case was mishandled and this incompetence led to Luke's demise. I think the police did not know what to do. Luke was a 'weak' suspect in terms of physical evidence and this I believe is why they went for profiling. This is not a precise science and profilers often produce conflicting ideas and reports about similar crimes. It is clear that the profile did not fit Luke otherwise they would have used it and called the profiler(s) to testify.

If you have a profile where do you start? Worse still, if none of your potential culprits fits the profile you are left with a blank sheet of paper because you have no idea who it could possibly be or where to start.

If there have been no convictions in the UK of a perpetrator with a similar MO you are lost.

If it is a devious serial killer you can hardly announce this as your finding for the crime.

If the perpetrator gets 'nervy' they may stop temporarily or move to another jurisdiction. (Abroad).
They may have died or committed suicide since the event. They may have been subsequently imprisoned in another country for a similar or unrelated crime.

They may be the type that sees the whole thing as a game of 'catch me if you can', where they become very switched on by this and derive further satisfactions for their efforts in staying one step ahead of the police, above or as well as the thrill or urge to kill.

With the pressure on to provide closure they built a case against Luke, which on cool and calm reflection by  those who did not get swept up by the Hysteria at the time looks like a MOJ.

If there has been  a conviction in the last 20 years that the Police Scotland now suspect may have been the real culprit they are going to keep schtum.

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Re: john ferris
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2022, 06:52:PM »
The boys were chased off the property of the tool hire place at closing time around 5pm.
This is how the investigation knew they hadn't gave the right time initially although it doesn't seem to have bothered the investigation much they were both ruled out before any forensics were back.
Hopefully we can all agree that JF &GD weren't properly investigated the way they should have been, not as suspects but to thoroughly rule them out. I don't believe that was done and that's how we all still have so many questions about the moped boys and how Findlay was able to ask both of them if they had a part in Jodi's murder.

For me it's not about finding the most likely suspect it's about showing how bad the investigation was, how it focused on Luke and excluded other more promising leads.

Sorry to keep referencing Innocents Betrayed but it's the only source we've got for statements and some of the forensics but according to the book JF's statement was 9 pages long and 7 pages were about Luke Mitchell.
 
As far as I'm aware there's no houses or anything on the Beeches and to see the path from any where you'd need to be looking at the right spot at the right time with binoculars but even then I doubt it.
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Re: john ferris
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2022, 01:28:PM »
the ay of the murder ferris had a iy hair ut he couldent explian why.