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Offline David1819

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Re: Copper on Sheila's left hand points to her loading ammunition.
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2019, 08:11:PM »
Black eyes can be induced postmortem. They can also be caused by gunshot wounds to the head.

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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2019, 08:14:PM »
Apparently June's " excuse " re. the black eye was that she'd " walked into the door ", so it had been seen by somebody as I remember reading about it because I'd remarked " more like Sheila had walloped her " or words to that effect.

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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2019, 08:19:PM »
was  that not before the murders ?  I thought a family mentioned it ? I might be wrong ? As if she may have had a tussle with Sheila ?
But June had been out and about with Sheila that final day and nobody (Michael Horsnell, Barry Parker, Elizabeth Smith, Katherine Golding) ever mentioned it.

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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2019, 08:25:PM »
The black eye had been noticed by Jeremy who'd asked June how she came by it and she'd said she'd hit it on a post. It could have happened over the weekend because June missed her class which was on the Tuesday.

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 08:31:PM »
The black eye had been noticed by Jeremy who'd asked June how she came by it and she'd said she'd hit it on a post. It could have happened over the weekend because June missed her class which was on the Tuesday.

She missed the bible class because Sheila was there. How come no one else saw the black eye on the Tuesday?

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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 08:34:PM »
Apparently it was AE who first mentioned the black eye and when Jeremy asked police they wouldn't say anything as he'd also said that there was more to her injury------nobody coughed !

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Re: Copper on Sheila's left hand points to her loading ammunition.
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2019, 08:37:PM »
But June had been out and about with Sheila that final day and nobody (Michael Horsnell, Barry Parker, Elizabeth Smith, Katherine Golding) ever mentioned it.

I did  not say it was the day of the murder

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 08:41:PM »
A hot poker was found in the gun cupboard.

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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2019, 08:42:PM »
A hot poker was found in the gun cupboard.




This was posted by Hartley on the Never Explained thread of 2014.

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Re: Copper on Sheila's left hand points to her loading ammunition.
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 08:44:PM »
Who puts a hot poker in a gun cupboard ?

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2019, 08:51:PM »
on research - anne said she overheard Jeremy telling DC Clarke about the black eye june had ,   seen at supper- not mentioned in anyone elses statements except Annes .
not mentioned by pathology ?

so back to my question - raied by steve uk - was june beaten  as well as Neville and what  evidence of that was found on the gun except for the broken stock that i know about?

Because Neither Sheila or Jeremy had indications of the beating on their hands

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Re: Copper on Sheila's left hand points to her loading ammunition.
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2019, 09:57:PM »
A hot poker was found in the gun cupboard.

A 'hot' poker?  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2019, 09:58:PM »
Apparently it was AE who first mentioned the black eye and when Jeremy asked police they wouldn't say anything as he'd also said that there was more to her injury------nobody coughed !

Ann mentioned it as a recount from Jeremy!

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Re: Copper on Sheila's left hand points to her loading ammunition.
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2019, 09:59:PM »
on research - anne said she overheard Jeremy telling DC Clarke about the black eye june had ,   seen at supper- not mentioned in anyone elses statements except Annes .
not mentioned by pathology ?

so back to my question - raied by steve uk - was june beaten  as well as Neville and what  evidence of that was found on the gun except for the broken stock that i know about?

Because Neither Sheila or Jeremy had indications of the beating on their hands

It was mentioned by Venezis (pathology)

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Re: Copper on Sheila's left hand points to her loading ammunition.
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2019, 10:00:PM »
on research - anne said she overheard Jeremy telling DC Clarke about the black eye june had ,   seen at supper- not mentioned in anyone elses statements except Annes .
not mentioned by pathology ?

so back to my question - raied by steve uk - was june beaten  as well as Neville and what  evidence of that was found on the gun except for the broken stock that i know about?

Because Neither Sheila or Jeremy had indications of the beating on their hands

A punch in the face can cause a black eye - didn't have to be the rifle.