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Offline David1819

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #465 on: September 01, 2020, 10:17:AM »

Here is a bit of an article I have read from "The echo of Moscow". I put the text through google translate.

"A certain cholinesterase inhibitor was used against Navalny. In general, this is a fairly wide range of substances, including the aforementioned sarin, soman, V-gases, "newbie". All these are phosphorus-organic substances. In addition to carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and phosphorus, sarin and soman also contain fluorine, V-gases contain nitrogen, and the “novice” (substance A-232) contains both fluorine and nitrogen. But the point is, of course, not in the elemental composition, but in the structure of these organic substances, which can be determined using mass spectrometry with chromatography - a very sensitive method. Some substances of this class can be made unstable so that they decompose in air and in the human body. For example, soman is hydrolyzed and decomposed by 50% in a neutral environment in 41 hours. Modern toxic substances (OM) of this class can decompose much faster."

"Ours will never, under any circumstances, admit involvement in the poisoning of Navalny, if only because it means that Russia is violating the Chemical Weapons Convention, which is already very serious. (The production of polonium-210, for example, is not prohibited.) Reference to possible private individuals does not save: this means that in our country access to such substances is not controlled. Russia should have already destroyed ALL of their stocks in 2017."

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« Reply #466 on: September 01, 2020, 06:04:PM »
Here is a bit of an article I have read from "The echo of Moscow". I put the text through google translate.

"A certain cholinesterase inhibitor was used against Navalny. In general, this is a fairly wide range of substances, including the aforementioned sarin, soman, V-gases, "newbie". All these are phosphorus-organic substances. In addition to carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and phosphorus, sarin and soman also contain fluorine, V-gases contain nitrogen, and the “novice” (substance A-232) contains both fluorine and nitrogen. But the point is, of course, not in the elemental composition, but in the structure of these organic substances, which can be determined using mass spectrometry with chromatography - a very sensitive method. Some substances of this class can be made unstable so that they decompose in air and in the human body. For example, soman is hydrolyzed and decomposed by 50% in a neutral environment in 41 hours. Modern toxic substances (OM) of this class can decompose much faster."

"Ours will never, under any circumstances, admit involvement in the poisoning of Navalny, if only because it means that Russia is violating the Chemical Weapons Convention, which is already very serious. (The production of polonium-210, for example, is not prohibited.) Reference to possible private individuals does not save: this means that in our country access to such substances is not controlled. Russia should have already destroyed ALL of their stocks in 2017."

This has confirmed my worst suspicions.

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« Reply #467 on: September 02, 2020, 02:01:PM »
This has confirmed my worst suspicions.

What is your worst suspicion?

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #468 on: September 02, 2020, 05:40:PM »

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« Reply #469 on: September 02, 2020, 05:50:PM »
What is your worst suspicion?
..that Putin's henchmen are engineering lifetime tenure for him on the same model as the Chinese Communist Party.

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« Reply #470 on: September 02, 2020, 06:18:PM »
..that Putin's henchmen are engineering lifetime tenure for him on the same model as the Chinese Communist Party.

It’s difficult to argue that he is not the man for the job.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #471 on: September 05, 2020, 04:20:AM »
I don't know why anybody is surprised about the different facets of contemporary life in Russia: https://youtu.be/2AocEgKx9eU

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« Reply #472 on: September 05, 2020, 01:18:PM »
Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54039710

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #473 on: September 05, 2020, 02:40:PM »
Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54039710




I wonder why that is ? I know he seems to blame China for everything else--------

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« Reply #474 on: September 05, 2020, 02:44:PM »

I wonder why that is ? I know he seems to blame China for everything else--------

Trump and Putin are on very good terms. And no doubt Trump is hoping Putin will help him get re-elected.

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« Reply #475 on: Yesterday at 12:21 AM »
   In the dying days of US/UK/NATO hegemony the Western intelligence agencies are floundering from one pathetic false flag provocation to the next and their moves are becoming increasingly desperate.
   Stymied at every turn in their attempt to steal Iran's oil and gas, Russia's oil, gas, gold and other vast mineral wealth, likewise Venezuela the outlaw empire is gradually being brought down.
   Those countries in the cross hairs of Empire have created an effective alliance against the war criminals in control of Western Governments and any attack on any of those countries is effectively stymied.
    Novichock is an invention of Western intelligence agencies and anyone still buying into this nonsense is a strawberry short of a punnet. Putin and the Russian government have successfully negated Western aggression and sanctions to become stronger. NATO in their hubris have driven China, Russia together and are now outgunned and out teched. The dream/nightmare of the New American Century is finished and a multipolar world is taking shape with the Outlaw Empire powerless to prevent it.
   Everything else is just noise.

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« Reply #476 on: Yesterday at 06:27 PM »
   
Novichock is an invention of Western intelligence agencies

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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« Reply #477 on: Today at 04:58 AM »
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
   There is no evidence presented of Novichok use by anyone. Read the OPCW reports. There are only assertions by Western politicians and media outlets telling you that there is evidence. None has been presented. The allegations have changed on each occasion, multiple times in laughable ways. The World's deadliest nerve agent has yet to kill anyone or have any evidence presented as to it's use. Groundless accusations from compromised Western politicians and media whores are not evidence.
     It is worth noting that those making the accusations have form for false allegations of Chemical weapons use. The OPCW whistle blowers of the Douma incident in Syria blew the lid on this particular scam to anyone who really follows geopolitics and is widely read enough to know. Ian Henderson was one of the whistle blowers. Look him up and take it from there. You may learn something if you are genuinely interested in truth rather than just cheerleading for your side, right or wrong.
     If you bother to find out about Ian Henderson and the rest of the OPCW whistle blowers then you should also learn about the White Helmets, the so called civil defence organisation. Bizarrely for a civil defence org. they were founded by a British intelligence officer( James le Mesurier) in Turkey and operated only in jihadi held areas of Syria. They filmed the supposed chemical attacks of the Syrian Army. They were funded by the UK govt., amongst others, and were allowed to operate by the jihadis(Al Qaida/Al Nusra/ISIS despite the Red Crescent volunteers being killed and run out of those areas. The Red Crescent are the Islamic equivalent of the Red Cross and affiliated with the Red Cross.
     If this doesn't tell you who the White Helmets are then you don't want to know. Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett have done lots of excellent reporting from Syria about these Western sponsored propagandists and agent provocateurs, as have many others. James Le Mesurier their UK intelligence agent founder died in very mysterious circumstances in November last year in Turkey. Allegations of fraud surfacing against him as well as the whole WH scam becoming increasingly transparent, and the whole affair reflects very badly on the UK gov., which is why you won't read or hear much about it from the UK media. This is what the UK government are spending our money on in their failing attempts to overthrow foreign governments.
    None of these allegations of chemical weapon use have come with any verifiable or credible evidence. The common theme seems to be the UK gov making allegations against enemies, all with the same script and always without evidence, just assertions. Either all of the UK enemies, but nobody else, uses chem weapons or the UK gov just use this as a lazy accusation against all enemies. UK gov are not credible
    This is just the noise I was referring to earlier. UK/US and the rest of the Israeli stooges in NATO have lost. Syria, Iran, Venezuela have successfully resisted, with Russian/Chinese assistance, the attempt by the Outlaw US/UK led alliance to subjugate their countries and steal their resource and mineral wealth.
    Consider this.
    All of the countries that the UK and the US, along with their band of outlaw states, are threatening are not attempting to invade or overthrow our governments. The weapons developed by these countries demonstrate their intent. The US/UK alliance develop and produce weapons and spend their "defence budget"(Orwellian or what?) on things and in ways that are designed to invade and subjugate countries. Fleets of Aircraft Carriers, overseas bases, supposed Freedom of Navigation patrols, arming Saudi Arabia and complicity in their crimes in Yemen, Arming and funding jihadists in Syria, Libya etc.
    On the other hand, those countries being threatened, develop weapons and spend their defence budgets to actually defend their own country. The weapons they design and now deploy are to counter and nullify our offensive weapons. Missile tech has literally changed the rules of war. The head of the Revolutionary Guard air force summed it up neatly when he said that Iran used to see a US Carrier in the Gulf as a threat, now they see it as a target.
    We need to get checkmate with our aggressive strategy. Those defending only require a stalemate.
    The game is up for the West and their sponsors. All of the countries in the crosshairs can exact far too high a price for any aggressive move. A $6 billion Carrier with it's thousands of crew, hundreds of planes and missiles is negated by a 5,000 dollar missile. No more shock and awe to prepare for invasion by sailing an Aircraft Carrier group within striking distance of the Target nation. Their sponsored jihadis are not cohesive enough to beat effective well trained armies. The sanctions and economic warfare are the final moves of an empire with no good moves left.
    Do you listen to Mike Pompeo and still truly believe that you are on the right side?
    I said years ago, on this thread. We are the Nazis now.