Maurice Drake contradiction

[David1819]

Not sure who would have woken Sheila -

Bamber. A silent WHF entry & shots with the silencer attached. 

The twins. Shot while asleep.

June. Shot while asleep.

Nevill. Shot in the bedroom and went straight downstairs.

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There is a slim chance the kitchen fight noise travelled upatairs through shut doors & walls and woke a sleeping Sheila. If that motivated her enough to get out of bed, it would not be long before Bamber returned upstairs.

Bamber had just had a brutal fight with Nevill. An awake Sheila was not going to stand in his way.

The silencer did not make much difference to the noise of the shots.

"The reconstruction was held on an Army range after the court took a 28-mile drive in a police escorted convoy so that firearms expert Malcolm Fletcher could demonstrate the gun. The Chelmsford Crown Court jury of seven men and five women had asked to hear the sound of shots fired from the semi-automatic weapon. Mr Fletcher fired the un-silenced rifle five times into a huge block of soap which absorbed the impact of the bullets. Then he fired four times with the silencer in place. There appeared to be very little difference."

Your version of events has Bamber shooting 8 or 9 times with June screaming. This is taking place literally 10 feet from Sheila’s bedroom door across the landing.

Who sleeps through that?

[Adam]

The silencer did not make much difference to the noise of the shots.

"The reconstruction was held on an Army range after the court took a 28-mile drive in a police escorted convoy so that firearms expert Malcolm Fletcher could demonstrate the gun. The Chelmsford Crown Court jury of seven men and five women had asked to hear the sound of shots fired from the semi-automatic weapon. Mr Fletcher fired the un-silenced rifle five times into a huge block of soap which absorbed the impact of the bullets. Then he fired four times with the silencer in place. There appeared to be very little difference."

Your version of events has Bamber shooting 8 or 9 times with June screaming. This is taking place literally 10 feet from Sheila’s bedroom door across the landing.

Who sleeps through that?

How could June scream? She was shot 5 times while sleeping. She won't scream and crawl at the same time.

The rifle fired with the silencer won't wake people asleep in other rooms.

The very slim chance of Sheila being woken & getting out of bed due to the downstairs kitchen fight, was not going to disrupt a returning upstairs Bamber. He had already shot 4 people & had a brutal fight.

Sheila still asleep & in bed or awake and up. Makes no difference for Bamber. He was not going to stop half way through.

[David1819]

How could June scream? She was shot 5 times while sleeping. She won't scream and crawl at the same time.

The rifle fired with the silencer won't wake people asleep in other rooms.

The very slim chance of Sheila being woken & getting out of bed due to the downstairs kitchen fight, was not going to disrupt a returning upstairs Bamber. He had already shot 4 people & had a brutal fight.

Sheila still asleep & in bed or awake and up. Makes no difference for Bamber. He was not going to stop half way through.

She was shot five times while she was in bed. She then got out the bed and headed towards the door to the spare room (since the shooter was at the door leading to the hallway) She then headed back to the other door once she realised the shooter was no longer there.

This means June was alive, thinking and moving for about 10 seconds. No way she would not scream.

[David1819]

She was shot five times while she was in bed. She then got out the bed and headed towards the door to the spare room (since the shooter was at the door leading to the hallway) She then headed back to the other door once she realised the shooter was no longer there.

This means June was alive, thinking and moving for about 10 seconds. No way she would not scream.

If someone came into my room in the middle of the night and shot me five times and while doing so was 
deliberately missing my vital organs to make it look like a crazy and uncoordinated person was doing it. I would freaking scream also.

[Adam]

If someone came into my room in the middle of the night and shot me five times and while doing so was 
deliberately missing my vital organs to make it look like a crazy and uncoordinated person was doing it. I would freaking scream also.

Well you believe a shot 5 times while asleep June, would simultaneously scream and crawl. I don't.

No guarantee a scream from a nearly dead woman would wake an asleep Sheila in another room. But as I said, an asleep/in bed or awake/up Sheila would make no difference to Bamber.

[David1819]

Well you believe a shot 5 times while asleep June, would simultaneously scream and crawl. I don't.

Its June Bambers blood that was found in a trail going from one end of the room to the other. This trail of blood ends at June Bamber's body. From the crime scene photos you can see she died with her eyes wide open shocked and terrified.

This is not a silent event.

[Caroline]

Its June Bambers blood that was found in a trail going from one end of the room to the other. This trail of blood ends at June Bamber's body. From the crime scene photos you can see she died with her eyes wide open shocked and terrified.

This is not a silent event.

Because she had looked into the eyes of her own son ending her life!

[Adam]

Its June Bambers blood that was found in a trail going from one end of the room to the other. This trail of blood ends at June Bamber's body. From the crime scene photos you can see she died with her eyes wide open shocked and terrified.

This is not a silent event.

Can you provide the photo of a dead June. There is nothing in the 'Case related photo's thread'.

[Adam]

If Sheila was in the bedroom opposite the main bedroom, there is no way she would hear a scream from a 5 times shot woman. Let alone wake up from one.

Any scream would have to travel across June's bedroom, through a wall, across a corridor and through another wall. Besides which June had been shot in the neck so not in the best condition to scream.

Not that an awake/up or asleep/in bed Sheila would make any difference to Bamber.

[David1819]

Any scream would have to travel across June's bedroom, through a wall, across a corridor and through another wall. Besides which June had been shot in the neck so not in the best condition to scream.

No. Junes bedroom door was open since the killer was standing there.  Across the landing by about 10 ft is the door to Sheila's room. A door that you don't even know was shut. But I will be generous and lets assume it was shut. The sound waves from the screaming and shooting only have to travel through one door across the landing.

June was not shot in the neck, she was shot in the collar bone area.

Not that an awake/up or asleep/in bed Sheila would make any difference to Bamber.

Then why insist she was asleep in the first place?

[Adam]

No. Junes bedroom door was open since the killer was standing there.  Across the landing by about 10 ft is the door to Sheila's room. A door that you don't even know was shut. But I will be generous and lets assume it was shut. The sound waves from the screaming and shooting only have to travel through one door across the landing.

June was not shot in the neck, she was shot in the collar bone area.


Then why insist she was asleep in the first place?

Bamber was standing over an asleep June & the bed when shooting her.

If June started screaming while still in bed, it would have to travel across the bedroom, through the door entrance (if open), across the corridor & through another wall.

If she started screaming when crawling, she was basically screaming into the floor. Again the scream would have to travel a long way. Through walls, doors & across corridors.

Either way, a badly injured June screaming is not exactly an alarm clock in a sleeping Sheila's ear.

You asked me what Sheila was doing while Bamber was committing the massacre. I said sleeping. It is better to deal in facts. There was a kitchen fight, so a very slim chance this noise travelled a long way upstairs through walls & woke Sheila. Not that it would deter Bamber.

Can you provide the photo of June.

[Adam]

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Mrs Bamber was bare footed and dressed in a nightdress. She had received seven gunshot wounds, of which one to her forehead and one to the right side of the head would have caused death very quickly.

She also suffered shots to the right side of the lower part of her neck, the right forearm, two injuries to the right side of the chest and to the right knee. There was a great deal of blood on her body and clothing and from its pattern, it appeared that at some stage of the attack she had been in an upright position

[David1819]

If she started screaming when crawling, she was basically screaming into the floor. Again the scream would have to travel a long way. Through walls, doors & across corridors.

How many "walls, doors & corridors" are between the doorway to the main bedroom and Sheila's bedroom? There is a door that you don't even know was shut. That's is not going to muffle the sound of what transpired 10 feet away.




PS: There should be a photo of June in the archive/library

[Adam]

How many "walls, doors & corridors" are between the doorway to the main bedroom and Sheila's bedroom? There is a door that you don't even know was shut. That's is not going to muffle the sound of what transpired 10 feet away.




PS: There should be a photo of June in the archive/library

There are two doors, two walls, one corridor & several yards between Sheila & June's possible scream after being shot 5 times. A big house like that the doors & walls will be thick.

As said, it makes no difference whether Sheila woke during the kitchen fight or not. There was nothing she could do.

[Steve_uk]

I wondered when we'd be the recipient of another of David's internet memes, this one being slightly more utilitarian than all others he has furnished us with heretofore. He builds premise upon premise (we have to ignore his misapprehension of the word "first" in post 1, we have to accept Sheila was on trial, we must trust June was screaming) and I now look forward to the latest contortion to help get child killer Jeremy Bamber off..