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Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« on: May 22, 2019, 10:34:AM »
what i would like to know is did he excercise his right to a solicter the same right he tried to deny to other people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47001028?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR3-D3xq7uwpM9zCqtDFh7wNGXAXkG4efJ3WkefCN4rzrt3NdL1Y7EAH2wI
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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2019, 04:41:PM »
what i would like is did he excercise his right to a solicter the same right he tried to deny to other people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47001028?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR3-D3xq7uwpM9zCqtDFh7wNGXAXkG4efJ3WkefCN4rzrt3NdL1Y7EAH2wI
Apparently there had been a previous investigation into some of the allegations in 2003, though it had been handled badly and some of the pertinent emails may have been destroyed, according to Scotland's chief civil servant, Leslie Evans. It's all very strange. Of course the allegations will have to be tested in front of a jury, but we should give Salmond the right of presumed innocence until found guilty.

I don't know what you mean about denying the right of others to engage a solicitor.
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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2019, 04:56:PM »
Apparently there had been a previous investigation into some of the allegations in 2003, though it had been handled badly and some of the pertinent emails may have been destroyed, according to Scotland's chief civil servant, Leslie Evans. It's all very strange. Of course the allegations will have to be tested in front of a jury, but we should give Salmond the right of presumed innocence until found guilty.

I don't know what you mean about denying the right of others to engage a solicitor.

in scotland you did not have an atomatic right to a solicter when qustioned a supreme court rulling changed that and salmond bitterly opsed the decisn.

so under those crcumstances id like to know if he excercised the right he treid to deny other people/
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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2019, 05:00:PM »
in scotland you did not have an atomatic right to a solicter when qustioned a supreme court rulling changed and salmond bitterly opsed the decisn.

so under those crcumstances id like to know if he excercised the right he treid to deny other people/
Yes I suppose looking at it like that it does seem hypocritical. https://www.theguardian.com/law/2010/oct/27/detention-without-access-lawyer-scotland-ends

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2020, 09:26:PM »

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2020, 05:51:PM »
Is Alex Salmond a sex pest..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51926614

It seems like the same pattern as Cosby and Weinstein.

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2020, 07:35:PM »
craig murray has an intresting take on it.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/your-man-finally-in-the-public-gallery-the-alex-salmond-trial-day-7/
To accept one's own mortality..

In many ways it would be the same familiar story women have endured for centuries: rape allegations, kissing lips, touching hair, fondling buttocks, all dismissed as horseplay by a figure who could be the man down the pub, the guy next door, the man in the street or for that matter, the local Catholic priest.

But this isn't just any ordinary man. In 2014 he came within a whisker of leading a nation of five million to independence for the first time in 300 years, a Robert the Bruce-type figure, destined to liberate the Scots from their English yoke. A clue came when he described one of his victims as Ursula Andress, whom, one recalls, emerged from the crystal-clear waters of the Caribbean in white bikini and conch, no doubt succumbing to Alex's James Bond charm, as his self-deception at Bute House and other loci in the course of his employment continued, using his position and status to garner sexual fringe benefits from women unable or unwilling to answer back.

As the trial continues, with his 82-year-old spouse no doubt paraded in the public gallery at the behest of Defence barristers and a glimmer of hope with some inconsistencies in Prosecution evidence, he could do worse than to recall the Seven Ages of Man speech given by Jacques in Shakespeare's As You Like It, to accept his own mortality, stage three being the lover, but the message contained therein as the trial continues at the Edinburgh High Court is that there comes a time when "all succumb to second childishness and mere oblivion, sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything."  https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/your-man-finally-in-the-public-gallery-the-alex-salmond-trial-day-8/
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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2020, 06:14:PM »
Craig Murray was barred from the courtroom yesterday: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/the-long-dark-night-of-the-soul/

Is it my imagination or was this the offending piece:

The day was dramatic enough, mostly consisting of Alex Salmond in the witness stand giving evidence. That evidence was startling. He stated that some of the accusations were deliberate fabrications with a political purpose. He specifically accused Ms A of fabrication, and of recruiting and encouraging five of the other accusers also to make fabrications against him. Crucially he described Ms A, whom he accused of orchestrating the fabrications, as extremely close to Nicola Sturgeon, and did so in terms so graphic and detailed that I cannot repeat them as it would identify Ms A.

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2020, 11:11:PM »
Craig Murray was barred from the courtroom yesterday: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/the-long-dark-night-of-the-soul/

Is it my imagination or was this the offending piece:

The day was dramatic enough, mostly consisting of Alex Salmond in the witness stand giving evidence. That evidence was startling. He stated that some of the accusations were deliberate fabrications with a political purpose. He specifically accused Ms A of fabrication, and of recruiting and encouraging five of the other accusers also to make fabrications against him. Crucially he described Ms A, whom he accused of orchestrating the fabrications, as extremely close to Nicola Sturgeon, and did so in terms so graphic and detailed that I cannot repeat them as it would identify Ms A.
    No details have been given for the alleged "possible contempt". It is more likely that Mr.Murray's reporting has presented both the prosecution and defence cases and reported proceedings accurately. His reporting on both this case, and the circus that passes for due process in the Assange  farce, has been invaluable. The BBC, Guardian et al have been very selective in their reporting of events in a way that is beneficial to the prosecution and detrimental to the defence. The coverage in the media, as with Assange, is so jarringly biased that anyone with an above room temperature IQ should see through it.
    Read Craig Murray's daily report of proceedings and it is eye opening if you have been relying on MSM coverage.
    One of the most startling aspects, to me at least, was the questioning of the witnesses called by the defence. Despite several witnesses giving evidence that directly contradicted prosecution witness claims, none of them were cross examined by the prosecution. They were not challenged on their evidence even though it could not be true if the prosecution claims were true.
    From Craig Murray's blog;
   
That concluded the day’s proceedings. It was a day on which defence witnesses directly contradicted evidence from the accusers on a number of key points, most importantly but by no means solely on the question of whether Ms H was present at all at the event where she claimed to have been the victim of attempted rape. It was also given in evidence that people had not reported incidents they said they had reported, and there was no civil service policy against women working alone in the evening with Alex Salmond – which claim had been one of the MSM’s most lurid headlines.

     Read the full coverage for the details of this but it is telling that you would know none of this if you relied on the BBC, Guardian and the rest of the MSM.
   

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2020, 11:33:PM »
im not salmond fan i want him to be guilty but i do wonder if hes being set up here.

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2020, 12:35:AM »
im not salmond fan i want him to be guilty but i do wonder if hes being set up here.
   Regardless of anyone's view of Salmond the evidence should be weighed objectively. I have gone beyond wondering if Salmond is being set up. It is a show trial and the case against is so threadbare that it should never have made it to court.

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2020, 02:18:AM »
   Regardless of anyone's view of Salmond the evidence should be weighed objectively. I have gone beyond wondering if Salmond is being set up. It is a show trial and the case against is so threadbare that it should never have made it to court.

i am coming to that veiw myself.

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Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2020, 04:14:PM »
    One particular exchange stands out where what isn't discussed is more telling than what is, hinting at the wider untold story behind the sham proceedings.
    It was day 8 of the trial and the following exchange took place, copied directly from Craig Murray's blog;
 
    The final witness of the day was Ms Ann Harvey, who worked in the SNP whips’ office at Westminster from 2006-9 and 2011 to present. She had been present at the Glasgow East by-election. In response to a question from Gordon Jackson, she replied that she had witnessed nothing inappropriate there when Alex Salmond visited.

Gordon Jackson asked whether she had more recently been asked anything relevant? Ms Harvey replied that on 31 October 2017 she had received a series of 16 text messages to her private number asking for information and whether she could disclose anything about the past. Gordon Jackson asked what the messages said specifically and who they were from.

At this point, Alex Prentice rose for the prosecution and objected to this line of questioning. The jury was dismissed and a legal argument was held on the admissibility of this information. I am not allowed to report the legal discussion. In the end the judge ruled the evidence inadmissible and Ms Harvey was dismissed.


    There is a lot of evidence about Whatsapp groups "discussing" the allegations and strikingly similar language is used throughout by the different anonymous accusers. The accusers have lifelong anonymity orders. The text messages, which the prosecution do not want discussing in front of the jury, we can only guess at their nature and content. We can make a fairly educated guess, however, and it looks like fishing and collusion to me.
    A number of non anonymous women, as well as men, gave evidence for the defence which directly contradicted the prosecution witnesses evidence. Both versions could not be simultaneously true and not one was challenged or cross examined by the prosecution. How can any jury member find guilt after this?
     Who sent the messages and their content is to remain a secret.

 

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Re: Re: Alex Salmond Rape Charge.
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2020, 04:15:PM »
This is the worst alleged incident and might stand alone from all the other allegations of "high jinks", inappropriate as they all may be. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/alex-salmond-rape-trial-woman-h-sexual-assault-scotland-a9393021.html

It's the same old story of perpetrator and victim, hunter and hunted, by a man in a position of power, made randy by overwork and unable to fulfil his natural sexual desires through the marital relationship, he set out to conquer women who may well have been overawed at his position and were resolved politically on the same goal. Did Salmond really feel no sense of impropriety or wrongdoing during these alleged assaults, or should the women involved have been grateful for his attentions, flattered that the first man about to lead an independent Scotland since 1707 was spending time with them as companion, rather than what may be nearer the truth: that of an enervated 58-year-old middle-aged man looking like thousands of others down the pub of a weekend.
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