The Bathroom Window Revisited

[Adam]

It would make sense for Bamber to leave the bathroom window ajar when he went for supper. To ensure a quiet entrance later. Nothing to lose in doing this. 

Nevill, June & Sheila may not have entered that room before going to bed. If they did go into that room, they may not have noticed the window was ajar. It was summer so the room would not be cold.

If in the unlikely event, the ajar bathroom window had been shut by Nevill, June or Sheila, that was not a problem for Bamber. He knew how to get into the closed window.

[Caroline]

Where exactly can we read such a detailed description? I thought he had said he couldn't have fully secured a window shut from outside (or words to that effect).
You can't conclude that's the reason unless you know that the particular window catch used for the window concerned is of the type you've mentioned (or similar). Did Sergeant Golding specifically state that the catch concerned had a screw that needed to be tightened to secure the window, as distinct from a catch that just required a quarter or half turn (approximately) to secure the window?
You stated you believed that Jeremy left via the bathroom window, which wouldn't require dislodging the catch from outside. Do you also believe he entered via the same window and relied on prising it open from outside instead of just leaving it unlocked in advance? If a hacksaw blade had ever been used to open that window's catch from outside, there would be noticeable scratches on the catch caused by the hacksaw blade (or similar instrument).

He actually said 'thin metal object' but a hacksaw blade was found near to the b/room window. -No, it wouldn't leave scratches if he used the flat edge and not the serrated edge. Sash windows get loosed over time and the gap between the two frames gets wider. It's easy to slip a metal tool between the panes and push the catch open. The screw type would be easy to close from the outside by banging it as described. He didn't mention to the police that he could close it and make it looked locked - he told this to Julie.


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1144.0;attach=5815

[nugnug]

why would he try to get through a locked window when theres a window allready open.

[Steve_uk]

why would he try to get through a locked window when theres a window allready open.

He may have left a window ajar but couldn't be certain Nevill or June wouldn't close it before retiring. Don't forget his remark under interrogation: "Secure windows..insecure windows..it makes no difference."

[Caroline]

He may have left a window ajar but couldn't be certain Nevill or June wouldn't close it before retiring. Don't forget his remark under interrogation: "Secure windows..insecure windows..it makes no difference."

He didn't need to leave the bathroom window ajar.

[lookout]

I don't think any windows would have been left open/ajar owing to the phone-call that Nevill had presumably received regarding alleged threats, which BW had been aware of, along with Mr Smith at the time Nevill received the call.

Besides that, the illustration of the locking system of the windows has to be secured from the inside and not with just a " bang shut " from the outside. 

[Caroline]

I don't think any windows would have been left open/ajar owing to the phone-call that Nevill had presumably received regarding alleged threats, which BW had been aware of, along with Mr Smith at the time Nevill received the call.

Besides that, the illustration of the locking system of the windows has to be secured from the inside and not with just a " bang shut " from the outside.

The bathroom window could be opened  even if locked - and that's according to Bamber himself. Sergeant Stephen Golding found the shower room window closed but not secured.

[lookout]

There's no proof that JB left it unlocked/insecure ? Even if JB himself had said it could be opened.

[Caroline]

There's no proof that JB left it unlocked/insecure ? Even if JB himself had said it could be opened.

There doesn't have to be, it just needed to be shown that he could enter and exit the premises.

[lookout]

Which still wouldn't prove anything one way or another ?

[Caroline]

Which still wouldn't prove anything one way or another ?

Well, yes it does, it PROVES he could enter through the bathroom window (by even his own admission) and that the bathroom window was found to be closed but not secured so he could easily have left that way

[lookout]

There's no proof he entered/exited in that way though, regardless of him saying it could be done. It could have been anyone ?

[Caroline]

There's no proof he entered/exited in that way though, regardless of him saying it could be done. It could have been anyone ?

No Lookout, the killer could only have been Jeremy or Sheila because of the phone call. He said he could enter via a window (locked or otherwise). I'm not sure what more evidence you want? Like I sad, they didn't need to prove he entered, just that it was possible and by his own admission, it could be done and had been done by him!

[Steve_uk]

Are we talking about the downstairs cloakroom and shower room where Nevill used to wash after the day's work in the fields and where the odd gun was propped up? There have never been any photographs released of this room.

[Caroline]

Are we talking about the downstairs cloakroom and shower room where Nevill used to wash after the day's work in the fields and where the odd gun was propped up? There have never been any photographs released of this room.

There have and yes, we're talking about that room - this is the window Jeremy used after the murders to gain entry.