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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2019, 01:17:PM »

But under the conditions you claim, unless/until such time the properties were sold off (do we know if this had occurred prior to Nevill's demise or during the interim till Jeremy's conviction?) the Pargeters were in receipt of zilch -their gains dependent on the completion and sale of such- therefore there would have been no outstanding debt on their part.

Yes, there would be and was. The Pargeters were fully aware of the ramifications of  entering into such an arrangement. It is irrelevant whether or not any of their share of the refurbishment cost had been recouped by Neville Bamber or not, what mattered was that it was due to be repaid into Neville Bambers estate, since had Jeremy not been convicted of Neville's murder, that £50,000 would ordinarily have gone to Jeremy. You can't say that they weren't in debt to Neville at the time of his death, because they were in debt to his estate. The fact that they later benefitted entirely from His estate (and not by only 50% of grandma Bambers house) only came into play when Jeremy got convicted, and all the relatives who had all been queing up to give evidence trying to paint Jeremy in a poor light, all got their heads together to divvy up the loot amongst themselves!
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2019, 01:36:PM »
And then of course, there is the matter of the paint on the guns barrel as mentioned by DS Davidson to the COLP investigators? Davidson told them that on the 8th of August 1985 whilst he was present at the scene, that Cook had given him a paint sample exhibit reference RC/1 from the kitchen Aga because some paint has been found ingrained onto the end of a guns barrel, a gun which had been found down stairs it had paint on the end of its barrel which must have got there from having come into contact with the kitchen Aga! The true identity of this gun and it's paint contaminated barrel has remained a Complete Mystery over the past 33 years or more, however, there can be little doubt that the existence of the paint on this guns barrel must be linked to one or other of the scratch marks which were present on the kitchen AGA mantelpiece!

Did a silencer scratch the kitchen mantelpiece, or the barrel of a gun?

Seems like there's something odd if the barrel of a gun scratched the kitchen mantelpiece and a silencer also scratched the same mantelpiece?

 If these shootings were a 1 gun crime,  how did paint from the mantelpiece get on to the end of the guns barrel, and the muzzle end of one of the silencers, during the shooting of Neville Bamber?
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2019, 01:41:PM »

 If these shootings were a 1 gun crime,  how did paint from the mantelpiece get on to the end of the guns barrel, and the muzzle end of one of the silencers, during the shooting of Neville Bamber?

Were two guns used?

One gun with a silencer fitted on the end of its barrel, another without a silencer altogether?
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« Reply #93 on: January 02, 2019, 01:42:PM »
Were two guns used?

One gun with a silencer fitted on the end of its barrel, another without a silencer altogether?

Did the same person handle and fire both guns (a gun with a silencer, and another gun without a silencer) during the shootings?

Why was this issue kept from the defence, and the jury?

Why hide the evidence of the paint that had been found ingrained onto the end of a guns barrel, a gun which had been found downstairs?


A rifle which had been captured in one of the kitchen crime scene photographs was not to be referred to or mentioned by any police officer when making up their notes, reports and witness statements - was this the gun which had got paint ingrained onto the end of its barrel which Essex police have been so secretive about?
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #94 on: January 02, 2019, 01:49:PM »
Who's gun was it?
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« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2019, 01:49:PM »
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« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2019, 01:52:PM »
What if?

Say, the defence get hold of the said photograph, the one which has captured the rifle in a crime scene photograph taken in the kitchen, and it's discovered that...
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« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2019, 01:53:PM »
Say, the defence get hold of the said photograph, the one which has captured the rifle in a crime scene photograph taken in the kitchen, and it's discovered that...

That the gun in question is the Bamber family owned anshuzt rifle?
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« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2019, 01:55:PM »
Imagine the effect it's presence there, downstairs in the kitchen before a single photograph had been taken anywhere at all upstairs?
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« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2019, 01:59:PM »
Imagine the effect it's presence there, downstairs in the kitchen before a single photograph had been taken anywhere at all upstairs?

All of a sudden that photograph becomes high on the agenda, everybody wants to know which gun was there, which gun didn't senior officers want any police officer who had been in the house who had seen this rifle, downstairs in the kitchen, to refer to, or make any mention of?

What if, the rifle in question was the Anthony Pargeter Brno bolt action rifle with its silencer fitted to the end of its barrel?
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #100 on: January 02, 2019, 02:01:PM »
What if, it was the BSA .22 air rifle?
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #101 on: January 02, 2019, 02:01:PM »
What if it was a police issue weapon?
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #102 on: January 02, 2019, 02:37:PM »
Yes, there would be and was. The Pargeters were fully aware of the ramifications of  entering into such an arrangement. It is irrelevant whether or not any of their share of the refurbishment cost had been recouped by Neville Bamber or not, what mattered was that it was due to be repaid into Neville Bambers estate, since had Jeremy not been convicted of Neville's murder, that £50,000 would ordinarily have gone to Jeremy. You can't say that they weren't in debt to Neville at the time of his death, because they were in debt to his estate. The fact that they later benefitted entirely from His estate (and not by only 50% of grandma Bambers house) only came into play when Jeremy got convicted, and all the relatives who had all been queing up to give evidence trying to paint Jeremy in a poor light, all got their heads together to divvy up the loot amongst themselves!

If they hadn't received what Nevill -in the form of a gentleman's agreement- had promised them, there was no call on them to repay anything to his estate. In plain English, if Nevill hadn't paid them what was promised them, prior to his death, without taking out a loan, they had nothing to repay it with. They can hardly be blamed for benefitting from receipt of the whole estate. They weren't responsible for those behaviours of Jeremy's which caused him to be convicted.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #103 on: January 02, 2019, 02:53:PM »
If they hadn't received what Nevill -in the form of a gentleman's agreement- had promised them, there was no call on them to repay anything to his estate. In plain English, if Nevill hadn't paid them what was promised them, prior to his death, without taking out a loan, they had nothing to repay it with. They can hardly be blamed for benefitting from receipt of the whole estate. They weren't responsible for those behaviours of Jeremy's which caused him to be convicted.

Read the contents of Neville Bambers estate, all will become clear!
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #104 on: January 02, 2019, 04:20:PM »
Read the contents of Neville Bambers estate, all will become clear!


Could you provide a link, please?