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Offline David1819

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Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« on: December 24, 2018, 03:11:PM »
Why would RWB tell police that he think's Jeremy was using a tampon to clean the silencer?

This was before the blood was discovered inside it two weeks later.


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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2018, 01:44:AM »
Why would RWB tell police that he think's Jeremy was using a tampon to clean the silencer?

This was before the blood was discovered inside it two weeks later.

Because Pargeter told the Eaton's that the silencer was on the gun the last time her saw it. This was mentioned to police on 9th Aug.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2018, 11:29:AM »
David you know Sheila was knocked out after the first shot.

The first shot was going to kill her without the need for a second shot. It was in an extremely damaging location, only an inch away from the instantly fatal second shot.

Sheila was very frail and under sedation. There is no evidence she stood or sat up after the first shot & it is preposturous to believe she was ever concious after it.

Mike & Sherlock agree. Suggesting AP, AE, Jeff Blake, James Bell, a hit man team, the police or Sheila's biological mother committed the massacre.

A jury & Jeremy agreed Sheila was knocked out after the first shot. The jury believe Jeremy fired the second shot while Jeremy said Nevill may have said 'She' on the phone.

The relatives & Julie were never police suspects so had no reason to attempt an impossible frame.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2018, 12:44:PM »
are so that was how the blood  was planted.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2018, 05:45:PM »
Because Pargeter told the Eaton's that the silencer was on the gun the last time her saw it. This was mentioned to police on 9th Aug.


How would that lead RWB to believe there was something inside the silencer that (in his theory) Jeremy tried to remove? and of all things using something that absorbs blood (a tampon)?  It doesnt.


I believe RWB knew there was blood inside the silencer to be found. Either becasue he was involved in putting it there or someone else involved (AE or PE?) told him it was there.

Also since June had told his wife over the phone that Sheila had gone to bed. This was also a way for RWB to explain the tampon stuff left out in the lounge. Since they show Sheila had got out of bed later that night and gone downstairs.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2018, 07:10:PM »
now why would anybody use a tampon to clean a gun rwb clearly must know what is saying isnt true.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2018, 08:55:PM »

How would that lead RWB to believe there was something inside the silencer that (in his theory) Jeremy tried to remove? and of all things using something that absorbs blood (a tampon)?  It doesnt.


I believe RWB knew there was blood inside the silencer to be found. Either becasue he was involved in putting it there or someone else involved (AE or PE?) told him it was there.

Also since June had told his wife over the phone that Sheila had gone to bed. This was also a way for RWB to explain the tampon stuff left out in the lounge. Since they show Sheila had got out of bed later that night and gone downstairs.

RWB was a silly old man who tried to make sense of something he couldn't believe. He knew about guns, he didn't know about tampons!

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2018, 08:56:PM »
now why would anybody use a tampon to clean a gun rwb clearly must know what is saying isnt true.

They wouldn't but I doubt RWB had ever seen a tampons before and only surmised why it would be left laying about.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2018, 09:33:PM »
Supporters need to decide who fired the second shot into Sheila. Obviously it was not Jeremy.

Mike believes the police did. Although has several theories over who fired the first shot. Again Jeremy is not included in his list.

The OS believe Sheila committed murder/suicide. Meaning the police fired the second shot after entering WHF. Using the rifle on Sheila.

The OS say Sheila was still alive when the police entered WHF. This means Sheila fired the first shot upon police entrance which knocked her out but did not instantly kill her. The police seeing Sheila was still breathing & firing a second shot.
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2018, 09:37:PM »
They wouldn't but I doubt RWB had ever seen a tampons before and only surmised why it would be left laying about.

being a farmer he should know a tiny bit about how you clean a gun.

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2018, 09:54:PM »
The COA said the first shot 'led to haemorrhaging inside the neck'.

Not sure how long Sheila would have remained breathing after the first shot.  However as the second shot only an inch higher killed her instantly, suspect the first shot would have killed her very quickly.
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2018, 10:28:PM »
The COA said the first shot 'led to haemorrhaging inside the neck'.

Not sure how long Sheila would have remained breathing after the first shot.  However as the second shot only an inch higher killed her instantly, suspect the first shot would have killed her very quickly.


If we return to the time when there was no clotting factor which could be given to hemophiliacs, wounds frequently bled into muscles and joints. The pain it caused them -and it's well documented in descriptions of episodes suffered by Alexei, Tsarovitch of Russia- is was excruciating. All we can hope for is that the first shot rendered her unconscious enough that she never experienced it.

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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2018, 11:11:PM »

If we return to the time when there was no clotting factor which could be given to hemophiliacs, wounds frequently bled into muscles and joints. The pain it caused them -and it's well documented in descriptions of episodes suffered by Alexei, Tsarovitch of Russia- is was excruciating. All we can hope for is that the first shot rendered her unconscious enough that she never experienced it.

Oh yeah, and this happened when her body was downstairs in  the kitchen, as per the timed police radio message log accounts, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, 7.45am and of course 8.10am - Sheila downstairs in the kitchen, never upstairs at all, any time sooner than 8.10am, unless you believe the witness statement accounts which are at odds to the police radio log accounts, where only one body was present downstairs, and the other four bodies found upstairs?

Nobody should believe anything that Essex police have got to say in this matter, they can't even tell the correct time of day, let alone do simple arithmetic, involving the presence of two bodies downstairs, or four bodies upstairs, two + three = 5, two + four = 6, pathetic cops, full of shit and nonsense, and of their own importance! Many of these blighters were bullied in primary school, and joined the police so that they could bully unwitting members of the public en masse!
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2018, 03:54:AM »

How would that lead RWB to believe there was something inside the silencer that (in his theory) Jeremy tried to remove? and of all things using something that absorbs blood (a tampon)?  It doesnt.


I believe RWB knew there was blood inside the silencer to be found. Either becasue he was involved in putting it there or someone else involved (AE or PE?) told him it was there.

Also since June had told his wife over the phone that Sheila had gone to bed. This was also a way for RWB to explain the tampon stuff left out in the lounge. Since they show Sheila had got out of bed later that night and gone downstairs.

The theory that the relatives deliberately contaminated the silencer after supposedly finding it on August 10th is just laughable nonsense.

Without going into matters further, it is completely wrong psychologically. We are asked to believe that the relatives started thinking about framing Jeremy only a day or two after learning of the massacre and got cracking right away. Even assuming they are a greedy and callous bunch of people which is evidently the case, they would not have starting thinking about stuff like that while still feeling shocked and confused by the incident, even if they rather suspected Jeremy.

They just didn't have enough time or enough information to do anything so clever as to scratch the mantelpiece in a place which was not visible in the crime scene photographs. They allegedly found the silencer on August 10th, before handing it in to the police on August 13th.

It does not seem likely that they would have seen crime scene photographs at that stage. The police wouldn't be so insensitive as to show relatives pictures like that only a day or two after the murders.
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Re: Robert Boutflours tampon and silencer theory.
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2018, 04:18:AM »

Saturday, 13 August 2011
"Is this Justice Mr Cameron?"
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2011/08/is-this-justice-mr-cameron.html.

"My cousin’s Ann Eaton, David Boutflour and Anthony Pargeter inherited my family’s estate upon my conviction. And in fact White House Farm, where my family died, has been the rented home of Ann Eaton since the tragedy happened...

...I have statements and police documents showing their direct involvement in fabricating evidence and this is why none of them sued the newspaper for libel over the article. David Boutflour says he found the sound moderator (key evidence) on the 10th of August and we know that was backdated from the 11th September.

Further to this, a moderator was found at the farm on the 7th August and this belonged to Anthony Pargeter. He told the police and court that he took this moderator home with him before the tragedy, but this was not true we have other statements and evidence from him saying clearly that he left his gun and moderator at White House Farm. Police merged the two moderators together and denied there was ever more than one moderator at the farm.

Ann Eaton showed the police where scratch marks were made under the mantle allegedly by the moderator, but these did not appear in the original crime scene photographs taken on the 7th of August only in those taken during September."


Jeremy no longer believes that his relatives found the silencer on August 10th. David1819 is in contact with his present lawyers and represents their position on this forum, so what the hell is going on?