Author Topic: Tell Tale mark on finger of hand - confirms that Sheila did fire Anshuzt rife..  (Read 890 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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The second shot (the one that killed her outright) was inflicted when the weapon that was used was resting flush against Sheila's body - at a time when she was unconscious and knew nothing about that which was going on...

Police didn't argue this possibility at trial via the prosecutions case, because they knew that one of their own had shot Sheila across the neck upon entry into the kitchen, and that she was killed off whilst the anshuzt rifle was being used as a prop in a training exercise, at a time when cops mistakenly thought that Sheila was in fact already dead (without an 'Official' proper explanation for the sudden displacement of her body from the kitchen downstairs, to the main bedroom, upstairs), but which in fact turned out to be a case of her being deeply unconscious once cops had moved her body from on top of the bed, onto the main bedroom floor!
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Police didn't argue this possibility at trial via the prosecutions case, because they knew that one of their own had shot Sheila across the neck upon entry into the kitchen, and that she was killed off whilst the anshuzt rifle was being used as a prop in a training exercise, at a time when cops mistakenly thought that Sheila was in fact already dead (without an 'Official' proper explanation for the sudden displacement of her body from the kitchen downstairs, to the main bedroom, upstairs), but which in fact turned out to be a case of her being deeply unconscious once cops had moved her body from on top of the bed, onto the main bedroom floor!

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The absolute truth, cannot be ignored...

The contents of the individually timed police radio log contents must not be ignored, because there was / is no reason to supposed as to why police would deliberately fake the contents of such radio messages, considering that in this part of the narrative, there in  fact two bodies present downstairs in the kitchen upon entry by the police from as early as 7.35am, and more importantly, only a further three bodies present upstairs in the bedrooms by 8.10am?

So, where does the truth in this matter lie?
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So, where does the truth in this matter lie?

It is a lie, that Sheila Caffells body was initially found upstairs on the main bedroom floor!

That's an impossibility, what with two bodies downstairs from as early as 7.35am until 8.10am, and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am. The two bodies downstairs being described as the bodies of a dead male, and a dead female, a murder, and a suicide!

How could anything be so clear, yet end up being totally ignored?
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It is a lie, that Sheila Caffells body was initially found upstairs on the main bedroom floor!

That's an impossibility, what with two bodies downstairs from as early as 7.35am until 8.10am, and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am. The two bodies downstairs being described as the bodies of a dead male, and a dead female, a murder, and a suicide!

How could anything be so clear, yet end up being totally ignored?


Its already been confirmed by the eyewitness in question that he mistook Nevill's body for a woman.
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Its already been confirmed by the eyewitness in question that he mistook Nevill's body for a woman.
I am afraid that the eyewitness account you seek to rely on is unreliable because PC Collins and PC Delgado looked in through the laundry room window, they having approached the targeted entry door on white side, after leaving their original position at the corner of white red, and using the curved wall for cover. The six man raid team all went passed the kitchen window and therefore could not possibly have mistook Neville Bambers body, simply because once the six man raid team went beyond that kitchen window, four of them stayed at the entry door whilst Collins and Delgado went beyond that door to the next window, which was the laundry room window, but which was often also referred to amongst the family as the back kitchen window. The body which Collins and Delgado both saw when they peered into the laundry room via it's window, was the body of a woman, which could not have been Neville Bambers body because his body was concealed in front of an internal door of the main kitchen - just to be perfectly clear about this, neither PC Collins, or PC Delgado would have been able to see into the main kitchen when they peered into the laundry room via the laundry room window, because the main kitchen was on the other side of an internal door which was not only closed at the time they looked in through the laundry room window, but once the raid team managed to get into the farmhouse by smashing the farmhouse door in, they found that there was something very heavy behind that internal door which prevented them from entering the main kitchen quickly! You are too keen to buy into the claim made by the cops to try and get rid of the female body from being present at all anywhere downstairs, whether it be in the laundry room, on the floor behind the door, or in the main kitchen, and even later still, on the far side of the bed, laid on top of the bed, before Sheila's body ended up dead on the main bedroom floor! The claim by Collins that once he got into the kitchen he realised that he had mistook Neville's body for the body of a woman doesn't hold water, it's riddled with inconsistencies. For a start nobody looking in through the main kitchen window would have been able to see Neville's body at all anywhere, because he was sat there on one chair, with the upper part of his body and arms being supported by a second chair placed in front of him - this arrangement was pushed into the corner of the kitchen, right up against the opening edge of the internal kitchen door spoken about earlier! The angle was too acute for any body standing outside the kitchen window peering into the kitchen, and because the angle was too acute, Collins and Delgado couldn't have made the mistake they claim they made, and in any event they looked in through the laundry room window which was a completely different room to the main kitchen. For example the laundry room was through the window on the left of the entry door, and the main kitchen was through the window on the right of the same door. Additionally, the timed police radio log contents then come into play, and it becomes clear that the sort of mix up which Collins and Delgado want us all to buy into couldn't have happened because there was always mention of the body of one dead male, or a man, on each of the consecutive occasions after which there was mention of a dead female body, or woman...

For 10 solid minutes there were messages being passed back and forth, and in all of them reference to there being two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, one dead male, one dead female, a man, a woman, a murder, and a suicide - and on top of all this, only a further three bodies found upstairs, two bodies downstairs, three bodies upstairs, five dead in total, as accurately recorded by the contemporaneously recorded and  timed police radio log contents..

The witness statement version of the alleged events were made up much later on, when the cops knew what they had to cover up!
« Last Edit: December 27, 2018, 02:05:PM by mike tesko »
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Jeremy himself used to argue with me about which window PC Collins and PC Delgado had peered into prior to the raid team entering the farmhouse! I used to say they looked in through the kitchen window, he was adamant it was the laundry room window, he was right I was wrong..
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Jeremy himself used to argue with me about which window PC Collins and PC Delgado had peered into prior to the raid team entering the farmhouse! I used to say they looked in through the kitchen window, he was adamant it was the laundry room window, he was right I was wrong..

The key to solving the dilema involves the starting position of PC Collins who was originally positioned at the corner of the farmhouse designated white /red - the raid team approached the door which they had targeted as the point of entry, using a curved wall for cover, all six armed officers gojngg past the first ground floor window on their right, to the entry door where four of the six man raid team stopped and whilst Collins and Delgado went beyond that door to the next available ground floor window located to the left of the door! On either side of that door were two ground floor windows, one window to the right of the door as viewed looking at the outside of that door, which was the kitchen window ( which neither Collins or Delgado peered into) and to the left of that door, the laundry room window (which both Collins and Delgado had looked into)..
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It was an impossibility for Collins and Delgado to have mistaken Neville Bambers body for that of a woman because the two bodies of concern were either seen or found in completely different rooms to one another, and you could not see Neville Bambers body in front of an internal kitchen door from the vantage point of Collins and Delgado outside of the laundry room window peering in - cops had to force the entry door to the farmhouse and the push the internal kitchen door open before anyone got a first sight of Neville, and even then the pushing on that door only served to send Neville's body tumbling on top of a second overturned wooden chair, ending up balancing somewhat precariously above the kitchen floor with his head in the coal bucket - so his body was never even laid out on the kitchen floor, whereas the woman's body was, albeit on the laundry room floor, not the kitchen floor!
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It was an impossibility for Collins and Delgado to have mistaken Neville Bambers body for that of a woman because the two bodies of concern were either seen or found in completely different rooms to one another, and you could not see Neville Bambers body in front of an internal kitchen door from the vantage point of Collins and Delgado outside of the laundry room window peering in - cops had to force the entry door to the farmhouse and the push the internal kitchen door open before anyone got a first sight of Neville, and even then the pushing on that door only served to send Neville's body tumbling on top of a second overturned wooden chair, ending up balancing somewhat precariously above the kitchen floor with his head in the coal bucket - so his body was never even laid out on the kitchen floor, whereas the woman's body was, albeit on the laundry room floor, not the kitchen floor!

Any attempt by Collins and Delgado to suggest that there could have been a mistaken reference to the body of a woman on the laundry room floor, involving the body of Neville Bamber in the kitchen smacks of a deliberate attempt on the part of the police to pervert the course of Justice!

Two different bodies, one body in one room (laundry room), the other body in the main kitchen!
« Last Edit: December 27, 2018, 05:30:PM by mike tesko »
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Any attempt by Collins and Delgado to suggest that there could have been a mistaken reference to the body of a woman on the laundry room floor, involving the body of Neville Bamber in the kitchen smacks of a deliberate attempt on the part of the police to pervert the course of Justice!

Two different bodies, one body in one room (laundry room), the other body in the main kitchen!

The contents of the contemporaneously timed police radio message log contents (7.35am - 8.10am) tells it's own story! Anyone else, with a different account of two bodies downstairs, three bodies upstairs, live in cloud cuckoo land!!!
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Cops lie, it's in their make up, they know what needs to be said, they know how to manipulate the truth, be it in their own witness statements, or witness statements they take from potential witnesses, it being just a case of paraphrasing that which any potential witness might have got to say...
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Cops lie, it's in their make up, they know what needs to be said, they know how to manipulate the truth, be it in their own witness statements, or witness statements they take from potential witnesses, it being just a case of paraphrasing that which any potential witness might have got to say...

Cops can't be trusted, they are the devil's spawn, they are the real criminals, if they can't find any evidence, they simply invent it..
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...