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Re: Shootings in the Main Bedroom - stance and positioning of the shooter!
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2018, 12:23:PM »
Does he try to escape the bedroom via the doorway that the shooter is standing at or in the vicinity of, or does he choose to run away through the other door which led into the adjoining box room, and beyond that through another connecting inner door to the bedroom where his two grand children are sleeping?
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Re: Shootings in the Main Bedroom - stance and positioning of the shooter!
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2018, 12:25:PM »
Does he try to escape the bedroom via the doorway that the shooter is standing at or in the vicinity of, or does he choose to run away through the other door which led into the adjoining box room, and beyond that through another connecting inner door to the bedroom where his two grand children are sleeping?

If Neville chose that escape route, why didn't he stay in that bedroom and try to protect his grand children?

If his two grand children were still alive by this / that stage, would he have left them at the mercy of the shooter, and made his way downstairs to the kitchen phone to try and raise the alarm?
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Re: Shootings in the Main Bedroom - stance and positioning of the shooter!
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2018, 12:29:PM »
If Neville chose that escape route, why didn't he stay in that bedroom and try to protect his grand children?

If his two grand children were still alive by this / that stage, would he have left them at the mercy of the shooter, and made his way downstairs to the kitchen phone to try and raise the alarm?

If Neville had been wounded as alleged by the prosecution's case during trip, shot as many as four times in the main bedroom, how come that not only was there none of his blood in the main bedroom, but also a complete absence of his blood in the box room, and the children's bedroom?
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Re: Shootings in the Main Bedroom - stance and positioning of the shooter!
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2018, 12:34:PM »
If the two grand children had been shot whilst June and Neville lay sleeping nearby, I would have expected either grandparent or other, to have been disturbed due to the fact that a total of 8 shots had been used at one time or another to kill them off - June Bamber was supposed to have been a light sleeper and that be the case there is every reason to suppose that before the attack upon her, if the shooter had shot the grandchildren firstly, that she would have been awoken and out of bed toninvextigste, or if her husband Neville was laying alongside her, she would almost certainly have roused him to investigate...
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Re: Shootings in the Main Bedroom - stance and positioning of the shooter!
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2018, 12:36:PM »
If the two grand children had been shot whilst June and Neville lay sleeping nearby, I would have expected either grandparent or other, to have been disturbed due to the fact that a total of 8 shots had been used at one time or another to kill them off - June Bamber was supposed to have been a light sleeper and that be the case there is every reason to suppose that before the attack upon her, if the shooter had shot the grandchildren firstly, that she would have been awoken and out of bed toninvextigste, or if her husband Neville was laying alongside her, she would almost certainly have roused him to investigate...

The fact that the two child victims had been shot at a total of 8 times, and that the shooter had shot at June 5 times in quick succession, tells it's own story - since the ammunition magazine to the anshuzt rifle could only hold a maximum of 10 bullets!
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Re: Shootings in the Main Bedroom - stance and positioning of the shooter!
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2018, 12:37:PM »
The fact that the two child victims had been shot at a total of 8 times, and that the shooter had shot at June 5 times in quick succession, tells it's own story - since the ammunition magazine to the anshuzt rifle could only hold a maximum of 10 bullets!

8 + 5 = 13...
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2018, 12:40:PM »
If these shootings were a one gun crime, additional bullets would have needed to be inserted into the ammunition clip in-between the shooting of the children and June Bamber (if the shootings happened in that / this sequence), or that there was second  loaded weapon used in the shootings of similar caliber...
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2018, 12:43:PM »
If, on the other hand, we approach this matter in terms of June and then Neville having been shot first and second in sequence, again, it becomes problematic since with June initially shot only 5 times whilst in bed, we then have Neville receiving a total of 8 shots inflicted, killing him off downstairs in the kitchen..

5 + 8 = 13
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2018, 12:47:PM »
If we take the approach that Neville Bamber was shot and killed first (8 shots) then June (7) attacked, it would have either required avreliad of the ammunition magazine of the anshuzt rifle, or there was use of a second gun in the shootings!

8 + 7 = 15
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 12:51:PM »
For the sake of completeness, if Neville (8) was shot and killed firstly, followed by the shooting of the two child victims (8), again it becomes problematic in the sense that there would have either have been a reload of the ammunition magazine to the anshuzt rifle, or there was use of a second weapon..

8  +  8  =  16
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2018, 12:59:PM »
Add the shooting (2) of Sheila into the equation, the situation becomes almost unmanageable, for a shooter to have carried out the killing of all five victims, without one or other adult coming to the aid of another, or the other - bearing in mind that had Jeremy Bamber been the killer of his sister (which is / was an impossibility), he would have had to ensure that either his sister was shot and killed off last of all, or that it appeared as though she had been killed off lastly!
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2018, 01:05:PM »
Add the shooting (2) of Sheila into the equation, the situation becomes almost unmanageable, for a shooter to have carried out the killing of all five victims, without one or other adult coming to the aid of another, or the other - bearing in mind that had Jeremy Bamber been the killer of his sister (which is / was an impossibility), he would have had to ensure that either his sister was shot and killed off last of all, or that it appeared as though she had been killed off lastly!

As far as I am concerned, Sheila did not die on the bedroom floor until after the raid team entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am - there is now sufficient information and evidence avaikable to establish this as a fact. People can't keep making up excuse after excuses for supposed and alleged mistakes that were made by Essex police! How many goddamn mistakes are we going to allow them to have supposedly made before everyone is in agreement that Sheila was alive when the cops went into the farmhouse, and that she died as a result of being shot after her body moved from downstairs to upstairs?

Cops know exactly how Sheila died, by which means (weapon) and when - they know that Jeremy Bamber did not kill his sister and that he was not responsible for staging her death scene as a supposed suicide, because it was the cops who staged her death scene on the bedroom floor case a suicide!
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2018, 01:08:PM »
Neville Bamber was not in bed at the time the shooter shot June Bamber, there exists no evidence to place him there in the bedroom at that time, only the introduction of 4 spent bullet cases (DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4) at the insistence of PI Miller, who got DC Hammersley to alter his second witness statement to include those..
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Re: Shootings in the Main Bedroom - stance and positioning of the shooter!
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2018, 07:00:PM »
This idea is remarkable. Since if Neville Bamber had been shot non fatally four times as per the recorded non fatal wound sites, whilst he was still either in bed, or still inside the bedroom, there would surely have been a significant loss of his blood either on the bed, the bedclothes, or on the bedroom carpet, or furniture, etc, etc, etc...

But there does not exist any his blood there, not a single drop of his blood anywhere at all inside that bedroom, which I find truly astonishing!!!
I thought the bedding was burned before any forensic analysis so I don't know how you can be sure about this.

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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2018, 09:45:PM »
I thought the bedding was burned before any forensic analysis so I don't know how you can be sure about this.

Yes, the bed clothes, and sheets, were destroyed, burned on a bonfire on the 9th August 1985, but not before they were photographed, and samples taken from them! Similarly, a large swaith of bedroom carpet which was cut out was also burned, but not before the piece of carpet in question was photographed, and blood samples were taken from it!

The fact is, that there were no bloodstains on the left hand side of the bed, but June's blood on the right hand side of the bed. No blood on the pillow case on the left hand side of the bed, but June's blood on the right hand pillow..

If Neville Bamber got shot in the jaw, etc whilst he was laying horizontal in his bed, how come there was no Bloodstains on the pillow, or the bed clothes and bed sheet on his side of the bed? This aside, let's say Neville got shot only after he ejected himself from the bed whilst the shooter was busily shooting 5 bullets at June Bamber on the other side of the bed? Well, there would almost certainly have been some blood on the carpet in the main bedroom immediately afterwards in a trail leading all the way out of the bedroom, onto the landing and main stair carpet, on his way down to the kitchen, but alas not one speck of blood which was unique to him, anywhere at all in any of these locations...

The closest we get anything near to possibly being his blood, is on a piece of wallpaper from the wall of the stairs, which tested as 'O' type blood. The presence of this blood there does not prove that Neville had been shot inside the main bedroom up to four times already, since there are a number of different explanations for its presence there. One such explanation is that the blood got transferred there as a result of the shooter holding the muzzle of the rifle barrel in a contact position with one or other, or both of the child victims when shooting them, who both had 'O' type blood, and that the barrel end of the bloodstained rifle came into contact with the aforementioned wall paper! Another explanation might be that after killing off Neville downstairs in the kitchen that the shooter had Neville Bambers blood on their hand and that at some point afterwards, the shooter returned upstairs and brought their bloodstained hand into contact with the wall paper on the stairs! I could give more examples, but it's unnecessary because if Neville Bamber had been shot 4 times in the main bedroom his blood would have dropped and squirted and splashed all over the place, in the same way it spilled out all over the kitchen downstairs! Seems to me to be a clear case of June Bambers blood being confined to the main bedroom upstairs (except for a piece of bedroom carpet beneath where the body of Sheila Caffell ended up), and that Neville Bambers blood was confined to the kitchen downstairs! What this suggests to me is that June got shot and killed upstairs in the main bedroom, and that Neville Bamber got shot, attacked and killed downstairs in the kitchen..

The suggestion that Neville had been shot a total of 4 times whilst he was upstairs in the main bedroom appears to me to be nothing more than a piece of fanciful narrative, to try and suggest that Neville couldn't have spoken to Jeremy on the phone, or to the police on the phone at 3.26am, because he had been shot in the mouth and jaw and as such would have hardly been able to speak...

Hence, why cops had to add in 4 spent bullet cases at the behest of PI Miller into the main bedroom crime scene (DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3, and DRH/4)...

This information didn't come to light until after the 2002 appeal hearing...

Like so many other things!
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