Author Topic: Neville Bamber - he never slept in his bed during night he was shot and killed!  (Read 2177 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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If these shootings were a one gun crime, and prior to the shootings commencing there were only 10 rounds available to the shooter, and the shooter exhausted each of these 10 primary rounds until the gun had run out of bullets, then what appears to have happenned, and we can say this with complete accuracy, that the shooter shot June Bamber in bed first of all, a total of 5 times in bed, and twice after she had left the bed. After shooting June 5 times (non fatally) the shooter had gone into the children's bedroom and shot each child once (both fatally), and that either the shooter had returned to the main bedroom and shot June twice more (both immediately fatal shots), before going downstairs and shooting Neville Bamber once ( non fatally) - this explanation accounts for the discharge of the first magazine load of the first 10 rounds which must have been originally loaded into the guns ammunition magazine, where bullets fired in the following sequence took place or occurred:-

(1) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(2) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(3) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(4) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(5) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(6) - children's bedroom (Daniel Caffell) double set of magazine marks
(7) - children's bedroom (Nicholas Caffell) double set of magazine marks
(8) - main bedroom (June Bamber) double set of magazine marks
(9) - main bedroom (June Bamber) double set of magazine marks
(10) - kitchen (Neville Bamber) double set of magazine marks
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If these shootings were a one gun crime, and prior to the shootings commencing there were only 10 rounds available to the shooter, and the shooter exhausted each of these 10 primary rounds until the gun had run out of bullets, then what appears to have happenned, and we can say this with complete accuracy, that the shooter shot June Bamber in bed first of all, a total of 5 times in bed, and twice after she had left the bed. After shooting June 5 times (non fatally) the shooter had gone into the children's bedroom and shot each child once (both fatally), and that either the shooter had returned to the main bedroom and shot June twice more (both immediately fatal shots), before going downstairs and shooting Neville Bamber once ( non fatally) - this explanation accounts for the discharge of the first magazine load of the first 10 rounds which must have been originally loaded into the guns ammunition magazine, where bullets fired in the following sequence took place or occurred:-

(1) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(2) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(3) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(4) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(5) - main bedroom (June Bamber) one set of magazine marks
(6) - children's bedroom (Daniel Caffell) double set of magazine marks
(7) - children's bedroom (Nicholas Caffell) double set of magazine marks
(8) - main bedroom (June Bamber) double set of magazine marks
(9) - main bedroom (June Bamber) double set of magazine marks
(10) - kitchen (Neville Bamber) double set of magazine marks

It now seems somewhat certain to me that the shooter visited the main bedroom firstly, shot at June Bamber 5 times, then left the main bedroom and went to the children's bedroom and shot each of the two children once, and that thereafter the shooter went downstairs to the kitchen and shot Neville Bamber just once...
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It now seems somewhat certain to me that the shooter visited the main bedroom firstly, shot at June Bamber 5 times, then left the main bedroom and went to the children's bedroom and shot each of the two children once, and that thereafter the shooter went downstairs to the kitchen and shot Neville Bamber just once...

There was obviously some sort of a delay inbetween the shooter firing the first 5 bullets at June Bamber in the main bedroom and the shooter returning back to the bedroom, after visiting the children's bedroom in-between the two episodes that June Bamber was shot at and subsequently killed off - ample delay to have enabled June Bamber to get herself out of bed and make her way around the bed to the other side of the bed in the vicinity of the box room doorway, and back again to the original side of the bed she had been on. Similarly, after the shooter had returned to the main bedroom to finish off June Bamber, there was a delay before the shooter ended up downstairs to enable the last of the double magazine marked rounds to be fired off at Neville Bamber..
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Similarly, after the shooter had returned to the main bedroom to finish off June Bamber, there was a delay before the shooter ended up downstairs to enable the last of the double magazine marked rounds to be fired off at Neville Bamber..

Having given the matter some considerable thought, and proceeding on the footing that up until that / this point only one gun had been used to kill off the two child victims (Daniel and Nicholas), and June Bamber, with the last of the first full load of the guns 10 shot capacity ammunition magazine being fired at Neville Bamber downstairs in the kitchen, I feel bound to accept that either that shot killed Neville Bamber outright, or that he having sustained that particular shot somehow managed to flee upstairs or out if the way, enabling the shooter to reload the guns ammunition magazine with an additional 10 live rounds!
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Listed below are the locations inside the farmhouse where the 5 double magazine marked spent bullet cases were found by police - I have included a plan showing the whereabouts of each of these double magazine marked bullet cases, as found in the children's bedroom (DRH/38 and DRH/39), the main bedroom (DRH/8 and DRH/43), and the kitchen (DRH/19), for ease of reference...


(6) - children's bedroom (Daniel Caffell) double set of magazine marks (DRH/38)

(7) - children's bedroom (Nicholas Caffell) double set of magazine marks DRH/39)

(8) - main bedroom (June Bamber) double set of magazine marks DRH/8)

(9) - main bedroom (June Bamber) double set of magazine marks DRH/43)

(10) - kitchen (Neville Bamber) double set of magazine marks DRH/43)
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Insofar as the shooting of Neville Bamber downstairs in the kitchen I feel bound to believe that he was or may have only been non fatally injured by the last round (bullet case DRH/43) fired from the first load of 10 rounds of the guns ammunition magazine, and that immediately after being shot at, that he fled upstairs! I arrive at this hypothesis due to the fact that I feel convinced that at one stage he was shot at whilst escaping from the shooter down the main stairs - the angle of the shot to his arm seems to confirm this to me..

If true, then the shot to his arm, must have occurred after he had been shot at downstairs in the kitchen with the last of the double magazine marked bullets - in other words, if these shootings were in fact a one gun crime (thus far) the shooter would have needed to reload the gun with bullets before she or he could go after Neville Bamber to finish him off ( with an additional 7 further shots fired from the reload of the gun)...
« Last Edit: November 11, 2018, 10:42:AM by mike tesko »
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There must have been something of a delay between the last shot from the first full load of the guns ammunition magazine that was fired at Neville Bamber downstairs in the kitchen (to which bullet case DRH/19, refers), and the occasion where the shooter found themselves upstairs and in a position to fire a shot off at Neville Bamber as he fled back downstairs, prior to him entering up dead in the kitchen..

We therefore need to be looking at the injury diagram produced by the pathologist to look at and consider the four so called non fatal shots, bearing in mind that Neville Bamber must have been present downstairs in the kitchen on two separate occasions during this shooting tragedy - once when the shooter fired the last of the double magazine marked rounds (DRH/19) at him, and secondly after the shooter had shot at him as he fled downstairs?

Neville Bamber bullet Entry Wounds

Seems to me, that there existed two particular bullet entry wounds (7) and (8)  which could fit into the sequence I have spoken about involving the last of the double magazine marked bullet cases (DRH/19) downstairs in the kitchen, and the shooting of Neville Bamber after the shooter had reloaded the guns ammunition magazine with additional bullets, and the shooter had proceeded upstairs in pursuit of him...

Rather somewhat significantly, both the shot in the kitchen (associated with the double magazine marked bullet case DRH/19) and or the shot at Neville Bamber as he fled downstairs in an effort to avoid the shooter, could have been the source for the bloodied fingermarks that were present on the edge of the kitchen worktop close to where the telephones handset was off its cradle, or as the case may be the multiple splashes and drips of blood on the kitchen floor in that same vicinity!
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Rather somewhat significantly, both the shot in the kitchen (associated with the double magazine marked bullet case DRH/19) and or the shot at Neville Bamber as he fled downstairs in an effort to avoid the shooter, could have been the source for the bloodied fingermarks that were present on the edge of the kitchen worktop close to where the telephones handset was off its cradle, or as the case may be the multiple splashes and drips of blood on the kitchen floor in that same vicinity!

Based on my findings here, it becomes apparent that Neville Bamber could not possibly have been shot 4 times inside the main bedroom crime scene - he could not have been present in the main bedroom when his wife June Bamber had been shot initially since if that be true, there would have almost certainly been a presence of all 5 double magazine marked spent bullet cases (DRH/8, DRH/19, DRH/38, DRH/39 and DRH/43) present there in the main bedroom (June shot 5 times + Neville supposedly shot 4 times = first 9 shots from the first full load of the guns ammunition magazine)!
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The Judge only used that word once and it was in the following passage.

"EITHER the defendant or Sheila carried out the killings. No-one suggests that there is anyone else who can conceivably have been the guilty party, and we are not concerned with any fanciful imaginations of some mysterious third party having appeared on the scene, and disappeared, with none having the slightest idea of who it should be, or why it should be, and it has not been argued otherwise."

PS: Wilkes book is biased and very much out of date. Mike gave Wilkes some material on the the case but Wilkes never bothered to bring it up in the book because it didnt support his narrative.

Wikes's book isn't biased and is STILL a good reference source.

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Based on my findings here, it becomes apparent that Neville Bamber could not possibly have been shot 4 times inside the main bedroom crime scene - he could not have been present in the main bedroom when his wife June Bamber had been shot initially since if that be true, there would have almost certainly been a presence of all 5 double magazine marked spent bullet cases (DRH/8, DRH/19, DRH/38, DRH/39 and DRH/43) present there in the main bedroom (June shot 5 times + Neville supposedly shot 4 times = first 9 shots from the first full load of the guns ammunition magazine)!

The distribution of the 5 double magazine marked bullet cases in various parts of the farmhouse ( children's bedroom (DRH/38 and DRH/39), main bedroom (DRH/8 and DRH/43), and (DRH/19) the kitchen) plus the fact that PI Miller requested DC Hammersley to introduce 4 spent bullet cases (DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4) into the main bedroom crime scene tells a story all by itself...
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The distribution of the 5 double magazine marked bullet cases in various parts of the farmhouse ( children's bedroom (DRH/38 and DRH/39), main bedroom (DRH/8 and DRH/43), and (DRH/19) the kitchen) plus the fact that PI Miller requested DC Hammersley to introduce 4 spent bullet cases (DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4) into the main bedroom crime scene tells a story all by itself...

These facts tell everybody and anybody that Neville Bamber could not possibly have been present inside the main bedroom when the shooter shot his wife, and that rather than it have been impossible for Neville Bamber to have spoken to Jeremy (and the police, at 3.26am) on the telephone because he had been shot in the mouth and Jaw upstairs in the main bedroom before he found his way downstairs, and would have been unable to talk because of such injuries, what we now find is that at best Neville Bamber may not have been shot at at all by the time he made those phone calls, or at the best he could have been already shot at once (to which the double magazine marked DRH/19 spent bullet case in the kitchen refers), or twice if you include the shot at him by the shooter as he bounded down the main stairs (shots / bullet wounds 7 and 8)..

Seems likes clear case to me that in such circumstances, and with the bullet entry wounds appearing to back me up on this, along with a presence of bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop close to the phone, and multiple Bloodstains on the kitchen floor immediately below, that Neville Bamber was stood there at some point whilst still alive (albeit bleeding) and that he could have made that call that Jeremy says he had received from him! By the same token, Neville could have made the 3.26am call to the police...

I for one believe that he did, because the cops and the prosecution have introduced this red herrin' claiming that Neville Bamber would have been unable to speak or talk because he had already been shot four times (mouth and Jaw) upstairs in the main bedroom beforehand - we can now safely assume that Neville Bamber had not been shot four times upstairs in the main bedroom, that proposition was a totally unfounded and a dishonest one!
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These findings of mine only relate to the use of one gun (the anshuzt rifle) in the shootings of June Bamber, Daniel Caffell, Nicholas Caffell, and Neville Bamber, where June was shot 5 times, Daniel was shot once, Nicholas was shot once, June was shot a further twice, and Neville Bamber was shot once downstairs in the kitchen (that's a total of 10 bullets from the first full load of the guns ammunition magazine)...

I reserve the right to introduce the possible use of the second gun, thereafter ( including the shot at Neville Bamber as he fled down the main stairs)...
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These findings of mine only relate to the use of one gun (the anshuzt rifle) in the shootings of June Bamber, Daniel Caffell, Nicholas Caffell, and Neville Bamber, where June was shot 5 times, Daniel was shot once, Nicholas was shot once, June was shot a further twice, and Neville Bamber was shot once downstairs in the kitchen (that's a total of 10 bullets from the first full load of the guns ammunition magazine)...

I reserve the right to introduce the possible use of the second gun, thereafter ( including the shot at Neville Bamber as he fled down the main stairs)...

With this in mind, I would now like to apply these now known facts to the proposition that Jeremy Bamber was the shooter of June, Daniel, Nicholas and Neville Bamber, where he used up all of the 10 rounds of the first full load of the anshuzt rifles ammunition magazine...

Supposedly being the calm calculated killer that he was made out to be, seems to me that he didn't make a good job of making sure that he could kill everybody with the 10 bullets at his disposal. He couldn't"t even kill his mother despite shooting at her 5 times whilst she lay horizontally prone in her bed! Of course, he could easily have killed off the two child victims with a shot a piece to the head. Then back to the main bedroom to finish his mother off...

But, by this time he has only got one bullet left in his gun...
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Supposedly being the calm calculated killer that he was made out to be, seems to me that he didn't make a good job of making sure that he could kill everybody with the 10 bullets at his disposal. He couldn't"t even kill his mother despite shooting at her 5 times whilst she lay horizontally prone in her bed! Of course, he could easily have killed off the two child victims with a shot a piece to the head. Then back to the main bedroom to finish his mother off...

But, by this time he has only got one bullet left in his gun...

One bullet left (the last of the first 10), so Jeremy the shooter is running out of bullets, he has to return to the kitchen to load the gun up with additional bullets!
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One bullet left (the last of the first 10), so Jeremy the shooter is running out of bullets, he has to return to the kitchen to load the gun up with additional bullets!

When he arrives downstairs in the kitchen he confronts Neville Bamber, and fired the last shot off at him (the last of the 5 double magazine marked bullet cases refer), the shot didn't kill him, and thereafter ensued a struggle between Neville Bamber and Jeremy - Despite being wounded, Neville Bamber makes good his escape and manages to get himself upstairs...

Jeremy the shooter now has time to reload fresh / new bullets intontge guns ammunition magazine, after which he cautiously proceeds upstairs to hunt Neville Bamber down!
« Last Edit: November 11, 2018, 11:54:AM by mike tesko »
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