Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two

[notsure]

You keep quoting stuff from the original trial. We are at appeals process now so that refuted evidence is what we are supposed to be debating. If you think that the original trial was fair and correct in thier conclusion then what exactly is your point.

[notsure]

You will also know there is an audio of barb Brendan’s mum saying she didn’t see a fire that night.the bleached jeans were stained on a different occasion.

Brendan dassey im convinced was coerced into that confession. Poor sod didn’t know what hit him

[David1819]

You will also know there is an audio of barb Brendan’s mum saying she didn’t see a fire that night.the bleached jeans were stained on a different occasion.

Brendan dassey im convinced was coerced into that confession. Poor sod didn’t know what hit him

Incase you don't already know, Brendan Dassey does not dispute the jeans he was wearing that night got stained with bleach from cleaning the garage floor. The only change in his story now is that he was cleaning up engine oil instead of Teresa's blood.


As for Steven Avery's bonfire

https://streamable.com/bhlp5

[Caroline]

Incase you don't already know, Brendan Dassey does not dispute the jeans he was wearing that night got stained with bleach from cleaning the garage floor. The only change in his story now is that he was cleaning up engine oil instead of Teresa's blood.


As for Steven Avery's bonfire

https://streamable.com/bhlp5

His jeans could have gotten stained with bleach at ANY time.

Watched the video, what about it?

[David1819]

His jeans could have gotten stained with bleach at ANY time.

Brendan disagrees.

On page 1105 of Brendan Dasseys trial transcript you can find confirmation that the Jeans Brendan was wearing that night had bleach stains on them and Brendan confirms how the bleach got there.

Q: Well, these are the bleached jeans, Exhibit 58;
right?
A: Uh, that's true. Yes.
Q: Okay. You got them out of his house?
A: That's true. Yes.
Q: He told you they were there?
A: He did.
Q: He willingly gave them to you?
A: Absolutely.
Q: And he told you that he got bleach on there
because he cleaned up some stuff, at Steve's
request, in the garage?
A: That's true.

Brendan also describes were exactly he cleaned up the victims blood.

WIEGERT: How much bleach, no let me go back. How much blood was there on the
floor, quite a bit?
BRENDAN: (nods “yes”) mm huh.
WIEGERT: Where would it have been?
BRENDAN: Like by the lawn mower and where the jeeps’ tire was.
WIEGERT: So if you had to say, some dimensions like 2 feet by 2 feet, 10 feet by 10 feet
how much blood do you think was there?
BRENDAN: By 2 x 2.
WIEGERT: 2x2 (Brendan nods "yes”)
FASSBENDER: By the rear wheel of the jeep you said?
BRENDAN: Yeah, (nods “yes”)


On page 436 of Brendan Dasseys trial transcript, you will find confirmation of a three by four foot luminol reaction exactly where Brendan said he cleaned up the blood.

Q: In -- In the picture, urn, behind the lawnmower,
is where you indicated was that three-by-four
foot area that seemed to be entirely in the
glow --
A: Yes.
Q:-- of luminol?
A: Yes.

Then we have Steven Avery coroborating this in a phone call from his GF in prison. (Notice how Steven fails to mention his bonfire)



And so

They find a bullet in the garage with the victims DNA on exactly where Brendan said he saw his uncle shoot her. The bullet was later shown to be fired from the same weapon Brendan said his uncle used. They find a luminol recation in the exact spot where Brendan said he cleaned up the victims blood. All this took place less than 30ft away from where her remains where found. Brendan said he also used Teresa clothes to wipe up her blood from the garage before throwing them into the bonfire. They find jean rivets from Daisy Fuentes clothing in the bonfire bit. Tereasa's sister would later testifty at the trial that Teresa wore Daisy Fuentes jeans.

Watched the video, what about it?

Notsure seemed ignorant of the fact Steven Avery had a bonfire the night Teresa vanished.

Steven Avery now admits he had a bonfire that night contrary to his police interviews.

https://streamable.com/zm6q0

[IndigoJ]

Brendan disagrees.

On page 1105 of Brendan Dasseys trial transcript you can find confirmation that the Jeans Brendan was wearing that night had bleach stains on them and Brendan confirms how the bleach got there.

Q: Well, these are the bleached jeans, Exhibit 58;
right?
A: Uh, that's true. Yes.
Q: Okay. You got them out of his house?
A: That's true. Yes.
Q: He told you they were there?
A: He did.
Q: He willingly gave them to you?
A: Absolutely.
Q: And he told you that he got bleach on there
because he cleaned up some stuff, at Steve's
request, in the garage?
A: That's true.

Brendan also describes were exactly he cleaned up the victims blood.

WIEGERT: How much bleach, no let me go back. How much blood was there on the
floor, quite a bit?
BRENDAN: (nods “yes”) mm huh.
WIEGERT: Where would it have been?
BRENDAN: Like by the lawn mower and where the jeeps’ tire was.
WIEGERT: So if you had to say, some dimensions like 2 feet by 2 feet, 10 feet by 10 feet
how much blood do you think was there?
BRENDAN: By 2 x 2.
WIEGERT: 2x2 (Brendan nods "yes”)
FASSBENDER: By the rear wheel of the jeep you said?
BRENDAN: Yeah, (nods “yes”)


On page 436 of Brendan Dasseys trial transcript, you will find confirmation of a three by four foot luminol reaction exactly where Brendan said he cleaned up the blood.

Q: In -- In the picture, urn, behind the lawnmower,
is where you indicated was that three-by-four
foot area that seemed to be entirely in the
glow --
A: Yes.
Q:-- of luminol?
A: Yes.

Then we have Steven Avery coroborating this in a phone call from his GF in prison. (Notice how Steven fails to mention his bonfire)



And so

They find a bullet in the garage with the victims DNA on exactly where Brendan said he saw his uncle shoot her. The bullet was later shown to be fired from the same weapon Brendan said his uncle used. They find a luminol recation in the exact spot where Brendan said he cleaned up the victims blood. All this took place less than 30ft away from where her remains where found. Brendan said he also used Teresa clothes to wipe up her blood from the garage before throwing them into the bonfire. They find jean rivets from Daisy Fuentes clothing in the bonfire bit. Tereasa's sister would later testifty at the trial that Teresa wore Daisy Fuentes jeans.

Notsure seemed ignorant of the fact Steven Avery had a bonfire the night Teresa vanished.

Steven Avery now admits he had a bonfire that night contrary to his police interviews.

https://streamable.com/zm6q0

If you could ask Brendan Dassey's lawyers a question , what would it be?

[Caroline]

Brendan disagrees.

On page 1105 of Brendan Dasseys trial transcript you can find confirmation that the Jeans Brendan was wearing that night had bleach stains on them and Brendan confirms how the bleach got there.

Q: Well, these are the bleached jeans, Exhibit 58;
right?
A: Uh, that's true. Yes.
Q: Okay. You got them out of his house?
A: That's true. Yes.
Q: He told you they were there?
A: He did.
Q: He willingly gave them to you?
A: Absolutely.
Q: And he told you that he got bleach on there
because he cleaned up some stuff, at Steve's
request, in the garage?
A: That's true.

Brendan also describes were exactly he cleaned up the victims blood.

WIEGERT: How much bleach, no let me go back. How much blood was there on the
floor, quite a bit?
BRENDAN: (nods “yes”) mm huh.
WIEGERT: Where would it have been?
BRENDAN: Like by the lawn mower and where the jeeps’ tire was.
WIEGERT: So if you had to say, some dimensions like 2 feet by 2 feet, 10 feet by 10 feet
how much blood do you think was there?
BRENDAN: By 2 x 2.
WIEGERT: 2x2 (Brendan nods "yes”)
FASSBENDER: By the rear wheel of the jeep you said?
BRENDAN: Yeah, (nods “yes”)


On page 436 of Brendan Dasseys trial transcript, you will find confirmation of a three by four foot luminol reaction exactly where Brendan said he cleaned up the blood.

Q: In -- In the picture, urn, behind the lawnmower,
is where you indicated was that three-by-four
foot area that seemed to be entirely in the
glow --
A: Yes.
Q:-- of luminol?
A: Yes.

Then we have Steven Avery coroborating this in a phone call from his GF in prison. (Notice how Steven fails to mention his bonfire)



And so

They find a bullet in the garage with the victims DNA on exactly where Brendan said he saw his uncle shoot her. The bullet was later shown to be fired from the same weapon Brendan said his uncle used. They find a luminol recation in the exact spot where Brendan said he cleaned up the victims blood. All this took place less than 30ft away from where her remains where found. Brendan said he also used Teresa clothes to wipe up her blood from the garage before throwing them into the bonfire. They find jean rivets from Daisy Fuentes clothing in the bonfire bit. Tereasa's sister would later testifty at the trial that Teresa wore Daisy Fuentes jeans.

Notsure seemed ignorant of the fact Steven Avery had a bonfire the night Teresa vanished.

Steven Avery now admits he had a bonfire that night contrary to his police interviews.

https://streamable.com/zm6q0

None of his statements can be relied upon because it is clear he was fed information.

Not really surprising that the floor reacted to luminol given that they were fond of hunting.

[David1819]

Not really surprising that the floor reacted to luminol given that they were fond of hunting.

Not really suprising that the floor recated with luminol given the bullet fragment with the same dna as the victims bones that were only some 30 feet away. And the person who pointed out where he cleaned up the blood is exactly where the luminol reaction is.

None of his statements can be relied upon because it is clear he was fed information.

His statements contain facts not know to law enforcement. It corroborates pysical evidence and other details that are yet to be uncovered. That is all that matters.


Another interesting point is that Brendan told the police that he done this to "see what sex felt like"

This coroborates with what Steven Avery told Joseph Evans.

[notsure]

Not a single drop of blood was found on Brendan’s footwear or jeans. Bleach doesn’t get rid of hemaglobiin. There was no murder in the garage or trailers. There is no way they could of done a cleanup after how kratz suggested she was murdered. Stabbed raped tortured blah blah. A small amount of her bones were found in dassey and averys barrels. God knows why they were split in several barrels. Bones were also found elsewhere! But dismissed by kratz as not human.     But funnily enough were given back to the halbach family as hers to bury.

I’m bored with you and the sources you keep posting.

Brendan’s confession was coerced no doubt IMO

Steven Avery is like to see him have a fair trial

[Caroline]

Not really suprising that the floor recated with luminol given the bullet fragment with the same dna as the victims bones that were only some 30 feet away. And the person who pointed out where he cleaned up the blood is exactly where the luminol reaction is.

His statements contain facts not know to law enforcement. It corroborates pysical evidence and other details that are yet to be uncovered. That is all that matters.


Another interesting point is that Brendan told the police that he done this to "see what sex felt like"

This coroborates with what Steven Avery told Joseph Evans.

You're becoming repetitive. DNA and bullets can be planted. That bullet fragment also also had fine wood splinters embedded - where did they some from?

I think whatever Joseph Evans said can be discounted - it was after the fact and he's hardly a reliable source!

[Caroline]

Not a single drop of blood was found on Brendan’s footwear or jeans. Bleach doesn’t get rid of hemaglobiin. There was no murder in the garage or trailers. There is no way they could of done a cleanup after how kratz suggested she was murdered. Stabbed raped tortured blah blah. A small amount of her bones were found in dassey and averys barrels. God knows why they were split in several barrels. Bones were also found elsewhere! But dismissed by kratz as not human.     But funnily enough were given back to the halbach family as hers to bury.

I’m bored with you and the sources you keep posting.

Brendan’s confession was coerced no doubt IMO

Steven Avery is like to see him have a fair trial

We only ever get snippets when David posts a source - no link so you can read the whole thing yourself. For instance, Joseph Evans also said that Avery told him that the police tricked Brendan into a confession. The guy wrote the letter in 2016 - how on earth can that be relied upon?

http://www.viralthread.com/steven-avery-confesses-to-murdering-teresa-halbach-according-to-fellow-prisoners/

[David1819]

You're becoming repetitive. DNA and bullets can be planted. That bullet fragment also also had fine wood splinters embedded - where did they some from?

The police cannot have planted any DNA because Steven Avery had destroyed her body to such extent the bones never yielded a more complete DNA profile like the bullet did. They had no opportunity to do so.

If you want to argue that the crime lab planted the DNA from the pep smear onto the bullet to make corroborative proof of Brendan’s account, that’s just nuts.

I think whatever Joseph Evans said can be discounted - it was after the fact and he's hardly a reliable source!

Joe Evans is still in prison and thus cannot research the case like we do. Talking to Steven Avery is the only way he could have obtained such detailed and accurate version of events. He never gained anything from this either.

[Caroline]

The police cannot have planted any DNA because Steven Avery had destroyed her body to such extent the bones never yielded a more complete DNA profile like the bullet did. They had no opportunity to do so.

If you want to argue that the crime lab planted the DNA from the pep smear onto the bullet to make corroborative proof of Brendan’s account, that’s just nuts.

Joe Evans is still in prison and thus cannot research the case like we do. Talking to Steven Avery is the only way he could have obtained such detailed and accurate version of events. He never gained anything from this either.

I didn't say the police planted the bullet and why would I suggest the lab did it?  That would be like trying to argue that the blood in the Bamber silencer came from the soaking underwear - NUTS! But there would be sources of DNA in her flat. Like I said, where did the wood splinters come from? A  forensic scientist stated that the splinters are consistent with it having been fired into the door - something Avery used to do.

Yes Evans is in prison, he's not on the moon though!

[David1819]

We only ever get snippets when David posts a source - no link so you can read the whole thing yourself. For instance, Joseph Evans also said that Avery told him that the police tricked Brendan into a confession. The guy wrote the letter in 2016 - how on earth can that be relied upon?

http://www.viralthread.com/steven-avery-confesses-to-murdering-teresa-halbach-according-to-fellow-prisoners/

The whole Joseph Evans letter can be read here. Its rather disturbing.

https://imgur.com/a/KRZkp

[David1819]

Like I said, where did the wood splinters come from? A  forensic scientist stated that the splinters are consistent with it having been fired into the door - something Avery used to do.

The garage was made out of wood. The bullet exited Teresa and was then on a collision course with the garage walls (all made from wood)