Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two

[David1819]

what i find strange is averys buisnes is destroying cars but he makss no atempt to destroy the victems but des manage to get rid of other evdence you would think the car would by the first thing he would think of

Nothing strange at all. Steven Avery didnt crush the car because -

A) Only Earl Avery and Al Avery had keys to the front loader needed to place the car into the crusher.

B) Earl Avery operated the crusher not Steven.

C) The front loader had no lights, so could not have been used at night time.

D) You have to take the engine out and other solid parts out before you crush it. The crusher is designed to crush a car that is more or less just a shell stripped of most things inside.

E) Al Avery kept a log of everything crushed and everything taken out to be sold on


In other words Steven could not have crushed the car without getting his dad and brother involved.


So he cant crush it, the pond is too shallow hence all he could do was take the number plates off and leave it hidden among 4000 other cars until he can think of something else.

[Caroline]

Nothing strange at all. Steven Avery didnt crush the car because -

A) Only Earl Avery and Al Avery had keys to the front loader needed to place the car into the crusher.

B) Earl Avery operated the crusher not Steven.

C) The front loader had no lights, so could not have been used at night time.

D) You have to take the engine out and other solid parts out before you crush it. The crusher is designed to crush a car that is more or less just a shell stripped of most things inside.

E) Al Avery kept a log of everything crushed and everything taken out to be sold on


In other words Steven could not have crushed the car without getting his dad and brother involved.


So he cant crush it, the pond is too shallow hence all he could do was take the number plates off and leave it hidden among 4000 other cars until he can think of something else.

Bobby Dassey would have had the same issues.

[nugnug]

Nothing strange at all. Steven Avery didnt crush the car because -

A) Only Earl Avery and Al Avery had keys to the front loader needed to place the car into the crusher.

B) Earl Avery operated the crusher not Steven.

C) The front loader had no lights, so could not have been used at night time.

D) You have to take the engine out and other solid parts out before you crush it. The crusher is designed to crush a car that is more or less just a shell stripped of most things inside.

E) Al Avery kept a log of everything crushed and everything taken out to be sold on


In other words Steven could not have crushed the car without getting his dad and brother involved.


So he cant crush it, the pond is too shallow hence all he could do was take the number plates off and leave it hidden among 4000 other cars until he can think of something else.

he could of got them  to do it he doesnt have to them who the car belongs to he just has to say hes got a car that needs crushing there not going to know any better.

[David1819]

Retired Manitowoc police lieutenant Andrew Colborn has filed a defamation lawsuit against Netflix and the creators of the series. He is the guy they have accused of planting the car key.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q4m3b4otb5sz8as/summons%20and%20complaint%252c%20Colborn%20v%20Netflix%252c%20et%20al%252c%20authenticated.pdf?dl=0

[David1819]

Retired Manitowoc police lieutenant Andrew Colborn has filed a defamation lawsuit against Netflix and the creators of the series. He is the guy they have accused of planting the car key.

This is his argument for suing them.

"Pertinent and significant aspects of MAM are not true as represented and are, instead, false and defamatory toward plaintiff and others. Material and significant facts known to the defendants were omitted and distorted. Despite overwhelming evidence proving Avery and Dassey’s guilt and the utter absence of evidence supporting defendant’s accusations of police misconduct, defendants falsely led viewers to the inescapable conclusion that plaintiff and others planted evidence to frame Avery for Halbach’s murder. Defendants omitted, distorted, and falsified material and significant facts in an effort to portray plaintiff as a corrupt police officer who planted evidence to frame an innocent man. Defendants did so with actual malice and in order to make the film more profitable and more successful in the eyes of their peers, sacrificing and defaming the plaintiff’s character and reputation in the process."


Hopefully this will be the first of many lawsuits against the makers of this disgusting TV series.

[notsure]

I expect Kathleen zellner will be celebrating this. This opens him up to being deposed and some serious explaining.

Don’t you think Netflix or any media platform of this nature have a team of lawyers testing all this before anything is aired. Plus he will need very deep pockets to fight this one. In my opinion he hasn’t got a chance of winning this.

[notsure]

Some interesting things going on in this case at the moment. kZ has got world renowned dna scientist to agree to do rapid dna testing on TH bones. This is a new 2018 approved testing and was used in the recent fires in USA with an extremely high success rate. Something like 85 out of a 100 people whose cremains were tested were successfully dna’d And given back to family members for burial. The bones are supposedly with the AG. However it seems these bones that had a court order protection on them to be retained were given back to the halbach family! Whoops!

[David1819]

Some interesting things going on in this case at the moment. kZ has got world renowned dna scientist to agree to do rapid dna testing on TH bones. This is a new 2018 approved testing and was used in the recent fires in USA with an extremely high success rate. Something like 85 out of a 100 people whose cremains were tested were successfully dna’d And given back to family members for burial. The bones are supposedly with the AG. However it seems these bones that had a court order protection on them to be retained were given back to the halbach family! Whoops!

The bones Zeller is testing were not given to the Halbach family because those bones have already been established as not being related to this case.

On page 5390 of the trial transcript. You can find the summing of the experts (including the defence, prosecution and FBI) that these bones could not be confirmed has human.

"These bones in the quarry, I'm going to take about 20 seconds to talk about, because the best anybody can say is that they are possible human. What does possible human mean? Well, it means we don't know what it is. All right. The best anthropologists in the world don't know what these bones are. Dr. Eisenberg didn't know what they were. Dr. Fairgrieve didn't know what they were, he agreed with that. And you heard a stipulation being read to you by a person by the name of Les McCurdy. Stipulation just means an agreement between the parties, that these bones, we felt it important enough, were sent out to the FBI. And Les McCurdy from the FBI determined that these bones were so degraded, that they were in such a shape that even through testing, what's called mitochondrial DNA testing, whether they are human or not, could not, even by the FBI, be determined. So the bones in the quarry are really not evidence in this case."

On page 3234 of the trial transcript. The forensic anthropologist confirm that these "suspected human" bones at the quarry had cut/slicing marks on them.

Q. When you say cuts, you saw cuts on these, are you able to be any more specific about the type of cut that you saw?
A. It was a long, linear cut, on either side of those two bones that were still in proximity. They were essentially a slicing cut on one side and a sharp slicing cut on the other side.

And so. We have a handful of 13 bones found in a pile of rubbish at the quarry, 10 of them bones confirmed animal and the other three too degraded to establish whether human or animal. These bones having knife slice marks on them, lead us to deduce that these 13 bones were all animal bones and are the remains of a meal by someone using a knife while eating them and then the leftover bones got thrown in the garbage. Hence they ended up in a quarry garbage dump area. Teresa Halbach was not an animal cut up with a knife and eaten. The bones in Avery's burn pit yielded human DNA and TH partial DNA profile. Contrary to the quarry bones that yielded nothing not even the FBI could find anything human about them.

This "New Testing" is only a stalling tactic by Zellner as she has nothing left to file and wants to keep the mental midgets that follow her on twitter happy.

[notsure]

oh Well I expected you to know more about this that his lawyer. And of course she’s only requested the dna testing cos she hadn’t got anything better to do

Get real dab id shr knows they don’t have all the bones because if you do your homework you will know that out of the 9 she requested 6 were returned to the halbachs which had court protection on them.

[notsure]

The bones have not been established as nothing to do with the case. They have everything to do with it , they couldn’t be confirmed as human because the testing wasn’t available. Now it is. What’s the problem with them being tested.

And what about the others that were not mentioned

[David1819]

oh Well I expected you to know more about this that his lawyer.

I know he is guilty and so does she. She is only doing this for attention and to get on TV

[David1819]

The bones have not been established as nothing to do with the case. They have everything to do with it , they couldn’t be confirmed as human because the testing wasn’t available. Now it is. What’s the problem with them being tested.

And what about the others that were not mentioned

The FBI done mitochondrial DNA testing on them back in 2007. They could not find any trace of human DNA.

The knife slice marks on the bones in question leads us to deduce that they are leftovers of a butchered animal consumed by humans.

[notsure]

Oh for goodness sake David, you really have hit a low point haven’t you. YOU don’t know if hes guilty or innocent and neither do I or anyone else. Unless you were there but I think I can safely assume you weren’t.

I don’t know if he is guilty or innocent but I do believe he didn’t receive a fair trial and it is a very interesting case. It is interesting to see what’s happening now.

You seem to want to just argue with everyone because you believe you are right. You are definitely not keeping up with what’s really going on in this case.

Even you can’t beleive that Andy colburn Has a chance in hell of wining his case!

[David1819]

Oh for goodness sake David, you really have hit a low point haven’t you. YOU don’t know if hes guilty or innocent and neither do I or anyone else. Unless you were there but I think I can safely assume you weren’t.

You dont need to be present in order to know what happened. Thats the whole point of forensics


The victims bones and ashes are found both in his burn barrel and hidden behind his garage also.

An accomplice to the crime describes Steven Avery taking the bones out the bun bit breaking them with a shovel then hiding them behind his garage. This was before any forensic anthropologist would testify that this is indeed what happened.

An accomplice to the crime describes Steven Avery shooting her to the left of her head. This was before any forensic anthropologist would testify that this is indeed what happened.

The self confessed accomplice has his jeans covered in bleach from the night in question. Large amounts of bleach residue was found in Steven Avery's garage.

Also in the same garage is a fired bullet that was discovered containing the same DNA as the victims bones behind Steven Avery's garage.

The bullet with the victims DNA on was proven to have been fired from the rife that is hung up on the wall in Steven Avery's bedroom.

Hidden behind a bookshelf in Steven Avery's bedroom was the car keys to the victims car.
The victims car is located on Steven Avery's property right next to his old red Jeep.

Steven Avery while driving his Pontiac got bloodstains on the front console due to a cut on his right finger.

Similar Bloodstains were also found inside the victims car. The DNA is traced back to the same person who spilled his blood in his Pontiac around the same time, - Steven Avery.

The victims car was found to have had the power cables pulled from the car battery. Hence someone involved in the victims death must have opened the car hood at some stage. DNA analysis on the hood latch comes back as a match to non other than..... Steven Avery.

The victims phone records show the last person Teresa spoke to was Steven Avery. Auto-trader staff say that Steven would always call them asking for Teresa and that he would greet her wearing nothing but towel. Yet during the 5 day search for this missing person he makes no effort to try and call her.

While Steven does not bother calling this missing person he has an affection for. Witnesses report his accomplice Brendan suddenly being depressed and crying to himself.

The victim met up with Steven Avery as usual to take photos of a vehicle he wanted to sell in Auto Trader. Yet the vehicle never ended up on the front display like all his other cars with Auto Trader ads did. Bits of the victims camera was later recovered from Steven Averys burn barrel.

[notsure]

And if you were keeping up you would know that all that evidence has been refuted very well.

The bones from the quarry were said to not be human but in 2011 were given back to the halbach family for burial. That is a violation of preservation of biological evidence.

Funny how DA Ghan helped introduce this law but has violated it anyhow.