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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #360 on: January 06, 2019, 07:45:PM »

The garage was made out of wood. The bullet exited Teresa and was then on a collision course with the garage walls (all made from wood)

I think the forensic scientist probably thought of that David - HE SAID it was consistent with bring fired into the wood - not just bouncing off it.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #361 on: January 06, 2019, 07:46:PM »
The whole Joseph Evans letter can be read here. Its rather disturbing.

https://imgur.com/a/KRZkp

Cheers - will read it later.

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« Reply #362 on: January 07, 2019, 06:03:AM »
We only ever get snippets when David posts a source - no link so you can read the whole thing yourself. For instance, Joseph Evans also said that Avery told him that the police tricked Brendan into a confession. The guy wrote the letter in 2016 - how on earth can that be relied upon?

http://www.viralthread.com/steven-avery-confesses-to-murdering-teresa-halbach-according-to-fellow-prisoners/


Only David would quote an informant as reliable.

This should be against the law.

It doesn’t even sound the way Stephen would speak. His vocabulary is very limited.


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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #363 on: January 07, 2019, 06:20:AM »
every piece of evidence David was found by Lenk and colburn who should not have been anywhere near that crime scene.

If you had been wrongly convicted once by a certain police department would you want them investigating you on a second if you maintained your innocence. We were told in press conferences that they would not be involved yet it was them that found the evidence.

Something is off with this David and a new trial should be given. There are too many things that don’t add up.

America locks up more people than anywhere else in the world and the sentences are extremely harsh. Prosecutors are out to get as many people convicted as possible to make a name for themselves, many do not disclose much of the evidence and even when they are found out and the person is exonerated they get promoted to judges etc.

In some states the corruption is rife. It really is quite feasible for this to have been a set up if you read enough.

Having said that some states are now offering open files so both sides see all evidence. This came about because of the corruption and innocents going to prison.

There is a very large portion of prison inmates in America that are thought to be innocent but they have very little chance of getting out because they don’t have the money to fight it so will rot.

Brendan read the book kiss the girls a week before his interview and was getting a lot of stuff from that. You cannot possibly agree that Brendan being interviewed without a parent or lawyer present was right given his low Iq . He thought he was going home and asked if he could go back to school to finish a project afterwards.

It’s people like you that cannot and will not look at things from a different perspective that put people in prison and do everything they can to keep them there because there egos won’t let them do anything different.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #364 on: January 07, 2019, 10:19:AM »
Only David would quote an informant as reliable.

This should be against the law.

It doesn’t even sound the way Stephen would speak. His vocabulary is very limited.


Its reliable because it matches the physical evidence and contains the same things Brendan told the police. For example, that this was his first sexual experience.

Ask yourself this - What other feasible way is there for Joseph Evans to obtain this information while in Jail other than from Steven Avery?

Do you really think he got hold of Brendans interview videos and Steven Averys court documents and carefully put all this together? Why bother he has nothing to gain from doing this. Avery talked about his crime and this man is trying to warn the public about the TV show.

Anyway. There is no question to Avery's guilt and the proof is all there for you to see. If you dont want to see it then that is down to you.

There are many small clues in his behaviour also.

Here he is asked when he last used his burn pit. He stays silent for 30 seconds and cant bring himself to admit he had a bonfire after Teresa vanished. He then lies saying he last used it before Teresa arrived.

https://streamable.com/zm6q0

In the early days of the missing persons investigation when people were still hoping to find Teresa alive and BEFORE any crime was reported he was already claiming the police were framing him. Framing him for what? He knows Teresa is dead because he killed her. He knows police will uncover evidence against him and he is already using this conspiracy allegation because he knows he has been caught.

https://streamable.com/wh9ph



 
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #365 on: January 07, 2019, 12:12:PM »

Its reliable because it matches the physical evidence and contains the same things Brendan told the police. For example, that this was his first sexual experience.

Ask yourself this - What other feasible way is there for Joseph Evans to obtain this information while in Jail other than from Steven Avery?

Do you really think he got hold of Brendans interview videos and Steven Averys court documents and carefully put all this together? Why bother he has nothing to gain from doing this. Avery talked about his crime and this man is trying to warn the public about the TV show.

Anyway. There is no question to Avery's guilt and the proof is all there for you to see. If you dont want to see it then that is down to you.

There are many small clues in his behaviour also.

Here he is asked when he last used his burn pit. He stays silent for 30 seconds and cant bring himself to admit he had a bonfire after Teresa vanished. He then lies saying he last used it before Teresa arrived.

https://streamable.com/zm6q0

In the early days of the missing persons investigation when people were still hoping to find Teresa alive and BEFORE any crime was reported he was already claiming the police were framing him. Framing him for what? He knows Teresa is dead because he killed her. He knows police will uncover evidence against him and he is already using this conspiracy allegation because he knows he has been caught.

https://streamable.com/wh9ph


I have read Evan's letter - do you SERIOUSLY believe that Avery would tell this guy everything on their first meeting? Bullshit! Evans was free for 5 years prior to his conviction for killing his wife in cold blood and he had plenty of time to go to the authorities with his story but it just happened to coincide with his appeal (so much for 'no motive'. Seriously David, even you have to admit this is tripe! Love the bit where he's supposed to have told Avery that he must tell the authorities that his nephew is innocent ::).

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #366 on: January 07, 2019, 12:23:PM »
https://streamable.com/zm6q0
https://streamable.com/wh9ph


Listen to you own links again, even the reporter states that Avery seems to be the center of the investigation so why wouldn't he be defensive? The fact that he lied about the fires (if innocent) isn't surprising if he thought they were trying to trap him - having previously being railroaded by the same police force in the past.

Notsure is correct, those two officers should NEVER have been allowed anywhere near the crime scene!

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #367 on: January 07, 2019, 12:50:PM »
The fire started in a burn barrel and were 2/3 feet high, no one really mentioned a fire until later on so I believe there may be a mix up with date of the fire. Miraculously the flames were over 10feet high at trial. Scott Gary has has been caught out in many lies .

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« Reply #368 on: January 07, 2019, 01:02:PM »
I have read Evan's letter - do you SERIOUSLY believe that Avery would tell this guy everything on their first meeting? Bullshit!

Evans does not claim he "told him everything on his first meeting"


Evans was free for 5 years prior to his conviction for killing his wife in cold blood and he had plenty of time to go to the authorities with his story

Evans killed his wife in 2008 and was convicted in 2009.

but it just happened to coincide with his appeal (so much for 'no motive'.

Evans appeal was denied in August of 2015. Evans released this letter in 2016 because everyone started thinking Avery was innocent after the TV show.

Both men were already convicted of their crimes. Evans could not strike a deal to testify against Avery for a lesser sentence because Avery's trial was already over and Evans already has his sentence.

If both Avery and Evans were in Jail waiting trial and prosecutors gave Evans a deal to say this at Avery's trial then that would be valid argument for motive. But that is not the case here.

Seriously David, even you have to admit this is tripe!

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Love the bit where he's supposed to have told Avery that he must tell the authorities that his nephew is innocent ::).

He did not say that. He said Avery should tell the police that "Brendan didnt kill her" because Avery told him that he killed Teresa himself before Brendan came over and Brendan didnt realise until Steven told him "She's dead you idiot" Then Brendan is not guilty of murder. That makes him an accessory after the fact.

I think you should read the whole thing again.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #369 on: January 07, 2019, 01:15:PM »
Listen to you own links again, even the reporter states that Avery seems to be the center of the investigation so why wouldn't he be defensive? The fact that he lied about the fires (if innocent) isn't surprising if he thought they were trying to trap him - having previously being railroaded by the same police force in the past.

Nobody knows what has happened to Teresa at this point and no one is accusing anyone of foul play. He should not have anything to be defensive about.

Notsure is correct, those two officers should NEVER have been allowed anywhere near the crime scene!

Notsure is wrong. Calumet county sheriff assigned those two to search the property on that day due to a lack of staff that day. Those two officers from Manitowoc county did not tip toe under the cover of darkness with out permission as MAM portrayed them.
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« Reply #370 on: January 07, 2019, 01:24:PM »
I have nothing further to add to this discussion. If you want to ignore the proof of his guilt and believe this guy is innocent. then I wont spoil it for you anymore.

I have explained all the evidence to you. Wont be repeating it. I have better things to do. 
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #371 on: January 07, 2019, 02:52:PM »
Evans does not claim he "told him everything on his first meeting"


Evans killed his wife in 2008 and was convicted in 2009.

Evans appeal was denied in August of 2015. Evans released this letter in 2016 because everyone started thinking Avery was innocent after the TV show.

Both men were already convicted of their crimes. Evans could not strike a deal to testify against Avery for a lesser sentence because Avery's trial was already over and Evans already has his sentence.

If both Avery and Evans were in Jail waiting trial and prosecutors gave Evans a deal to say this at Avery's trial then that would be valid argument for motive. But that is not the case here.

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He did not say that. He said Avery should tell the police that "Brendan didnt kill her" because Avery told him that he killed Teresa himself before Brendan came over and Brendan didnt realise until Steven told him "She's dead you idiot" Then Brendan is not guilty of murder. That makes him an accessory after the fact.

I think you should read the whole thing again.

He said that on the FIRST meeting, Avery told him he was guilty and that Dassey was innocent. The quote you posted yesterday was part of the same 'confession'. This all happened on the recreation period over 2 hours on their FIRST meeting!

Regardless - he had several years to read all about Avery before even killing his wife!

His account of what Avery told him is at odds with what Dassey told police and what you have been posting previously so how is this confession remotely reliable?

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #372 on: January 07, 2019, 02:53:PM »
I have nothing further to add to this discussion. If you want to ignore the proof of his guilt and believe this guy is innocent. then I wont spoil it for you anymore.

I have explained all the evidence to you. Wont be repeating it. I have better things to do.

Good! But no one needs any lessons from you dear!

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #373 on: January 07, 2019, 06:46:PM »
Phew ! Thank god for that!